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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: IFWaters on November 08, 2015, 04:44:48 PM
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I'll probably be banned or thread locked in a minute but who do you think Remi will look to bring in to strengthen the squad in January ?
For me ....
The best quality keeper we can get on a permanent or loan.... I think Guzans' confidence is shot and we need some experience.
A striker who can score with feet and head ..... probably someone french but Austin would be available
An experienced centre back .... although I think Okore will impress when he gets his chance. I don;t think Richards is the complete answer, can be too hot-headed
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Think we need a Keeper, a Right back, a center-half and a striker. The absolute priorities are probably striker and keeper.
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Why would you be banned? What a ridiculous comment to make.
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Although suggesting it is a tad risky. From the site rules:
Posters including such phrases as "I know you will delete this" or "I bet I get banned for saying this" as some sort of challenge to the moderators will find the post deleted and/or themselves banned as a matter of principle.
So maybe edit it while we're all in a good mood ;)
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Someone who can play like Jamie Vardy.
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Striker definitely. Doesn't have to be a 20 a season man but does have to be dangerous and able to get in behind the defence. Loic remy on loan would be ideal but unlikely.
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Y'know someone like Peter Crouch....can't get in the Stoke team and not that young but his game isn't based on pace and he still scored 10 goals for them last season and could hold it up better than all out strikers.
Short term to the end of the season.
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Let's see how Ayew does as the main striker. The goalkeeper strikes me as the immediate priority, I'm sorry to say.
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GK and striker for me.
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Let's see how Ayew does as the main striker. The goalkeeper strikes me as the immediate priority, I'm sorry to say.
Guzan was fine today. He can keep clean sheets as long as we have a stable shape infront, today looked promising at times.
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He was a bit lucky with the header that hit him in the face (though you can say he was brave and well-positioned), and he did let a couple slip away which could have had very bad results.
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He spread himself well and saved it. It's what keepers have to do sometimes when it's point blank. At least one of the spills (the freekick) i'd put down to a slick ball, dunno if it could be seen on TV but there was a fair bit of rain in the second half.
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Ask man city if they want to loan out Bony when they have their full crew back.
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Ask man city if they want to loan out Bony when they have their full crew back.
No chance as they only have Aguero and that kid whose name I cor spell.
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Someone who can play like Jamie Vardy.
Isn't he the guy who wasn't good enough for us in the summer?
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...in before the lock.
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Locadia at PSV might be one to look at.
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Can't see a reason to lock this, considering it's the first topic on this subject. In fact, might as well make this the transfer thread for January?
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I think now is the right time to go for Jermaine Beckford.
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I would just like to see a settled side for a while with some good coaching and see what happens. Garde's only had a few days with them and we looked organised and kept our first clean sheet since the opening day of the season.
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Our first point since August too!
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I would just like to see a settled side for a while with some good coaching and see what happens. Garde's only had a few days with them and we looked organised and kept our first clean sheet since the opening day of the season.
This
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Yeah, i would have thought he'd want more than one match to analyse where to spend. He's a good tactician so against someone weaker he might go at them more, score a few and we'll all be praising the strikers. Great point today, a very solid start.
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Everton (A)
Watford (H)
Southampton (A)
Four points should be the minimum from those.
As for players in January, top class keeper and striker.
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Is Shane Long getting a game at Saints this season? He's always struck me as someone who could work for us.
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Is Shane Long getting a game at Saints this season? He's always struck me as someone who could work for us.
He only ever plays well against us, turns into Marco van Basten whenever we play him.
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Am sure Garde will have people in mind and the chairman will back him. Today was a real boost
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Is Shane Long getting a game at Saints this season? He's always struck me as someone who could work for us.
He only ever plays well against us, turns into Marco van Basten whenever we play him.
Didn't do terribly against the Germans either!
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Is Shane Long getting a game at Saints this season? He's always struck me as someone who could work for us.
He only ever plays well against us, turns into Marco van Basten whenever we play him.
Didn't do terribly against the Germans either!
Not surprising as the Dutch always raise their game against them.
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Why would you be banned? What a ridiculous comment to make.
I'm sure I remember threads being locked as 'too early' in the past, but I might be mistaken.
Anyway, no need to flame me for an innocuous sentence.
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Why would you be banned? What a ridiculous comment to make.
I'm sure I remember threads being locked as 'too early' in the past, but I might be mistaken.
Anyway, no need to flame me for an innocuous sentence.
You weren't 'flamed' at all. As I pointed out, the site rules make it clear about posting guff like "I'll probably be banned".
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I think now is the right time to go for Jermaine Beckford.
Only if Benni McCarthy isn't available
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I think now is the right time to go for Jermaine Beckford.
Only if Benni McCarthy isn't available
I've heard that Benni and Steve Bull are due to be unveiled at a joint press conference. You know, like those joint press conferences that always happen.
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It's Carlton Palmer i'm worried about.
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Think it will be hard to get a decent striker in, Charlie Austin will no doubt be linked. Struggling to see we would be able to get with premier league experience, Shane Long?
Perhaps reunite Gestede with Jordan Rhodes although for a guy who has scored so many goals in the championship I do wonder why no one has taken a punt on him before.
Can't think of many options?
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Somehow, I don't think we'll be looking at the usual suspects.
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True, I'm sure Remi will have a few players in mind from his days in France. I can see Benteke eek "who the fuck is he" kind of signing that will go on to do well for little money spent.
Probably a total dream but I like Giroud at arsenal, although I can't imagine us actually getting anyone of that calibre just yet
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Can anyone post a link to the site rules so I don't offend anyone thin-skinned with any guff
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Click me (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?page=page4597)
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For me, a right back and a striker.
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I hope Remi have talked to Paddy and tell him to scout striker X, Y, Z at Club A, B, C to find new Benteke. We need a goalkeeper, right back and a striker. A playmaker who is excellent at set pieces would be nice, So maybe we should find a right footed version of Andrea Brehme or Steve Staunton or Roberto Carlos who can score from corners and set pieces and play at Right back.
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A couple of posts have been for a new keeper (understandably). I would just like to see Brad get his confidence back and play like he did in Lambert's first season where some of his saves arguably kept us up.
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Bony , Loic Remy or Demba Ba if we have shit loads to spent on a forward
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Take a look at who's doing well in Ligue 1 now. Enough time to scout & bid for in early January,
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A loan might be a good idea... seeing as a top quality striker may not want to commit to a club who have a very real chance of relegation.
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Breel Embolo. Offer him a lot of money and a relegation release clause.
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Has there been any new Franco Baresi's or are we to be the ones to unearth him?
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If QPR are still struggling in January, I have my doubts that Austin will be available.
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I personally don't think we need anybody.
Guzan has been well below par so far this season and Gestede has severe deficiencies. But I expect Guzan to get back to a reasonable standard and Ayew/Kozak to pick up some real form before January. I'm happy enough with our defence and midfield. Unless there is a clearly superior (and more importantly, available) option out there, I'd keep the money in the pocket until the summer.
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may I dare to suggest alexander lacazette?
remi obviously knows the score but can we afford him
surely a match made in heaven
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Lacazette sounds decent but we've probably got no chance. With Remi though who knows, worked with him before.
Embolo is too young, we need someone proven, now.
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may I dare to suggest alexander lacazette?
remi obviously knows the score but can we afford him
surely a match made in heaven
Miles too good for the bottom club in England I'm afraid.
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may I dare to suggest alexander lacazette?
remi obviously knows the score but can we afford him
surely a match made in heaven
Miles too good for the bottom club in England I'm afraid.
We better get off the bottom of the table in the meantime then!
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may I dare to suggest alexander lacazette?
remi obviously knows the score but can we afford him
surely a match made in heaven
Miles too good for the bottom club in England I'm afraid.
We better get off the bottom of the table in the meantime then!
and pronto
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Striker and Goalkeeper
We still have Okore to come in at centre half
and the options of Ilori & Gardner have to be exhausted in defence/midfield before go out buying more in my opinion
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I'm sure Garde will know of many strikers that we've never heard of so I'll leave it to him. As long as they have more than 8 touches per half I'll be happy
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History has a habit of repeating itself. 5 years ago we needed a goalscorer to keep us up. It was Bent. Today it's Vardy.
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I still think Austin would be a good shout. Remy on loan would be perfect but unlikely to come if there is a new manager in town at Chelsea. Whoever a strong mobile striker with a bit of pace and power is a must but decent with the ball. Benteke basically!!!
Keeper is a must.
Hutton is good enough at right back for our level so can wait for me. Even centre half we are OK. Another driving midfielder would be nice to. Someone that can make the sort of run Veretout made second half when Ayew didn't curb his run. Think if we play a diamond regularly an extra man might be useful.
I would be after a genuine winger too.
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Loic Remy seems like the sort of calibre we'll need to make a big difference.
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Lets be realistic, we aint going to get the likes of Remy. We need a striker to go with the shape of that team, Guzan has to sort himself out and Hutton will not be right back long term.
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He won't but he is good enough short term. Player well twice this week.
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Anyone out there. Depends how realistic the cheque book is.
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Reckon it'll be some forward from Ligue 1 who most of us won't have heard of but who will actually sound quite decent as more reports come out about him.
Hopefully that process is already well underway.
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I personally don't think we need anybody.
Guzan has been well below par so far this season and Gestede has severe deficiencies. But I expect Guzan to get back to a reasonable standard and Ayew/Kozak to pick up some real form before January. I'm happy enough with our defence and midfield. Unless there is a clearly superior (and more importantly, available) option out there, I'd keep the money in the pocket until the summer.
We need a striker in January and a good one at that.
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I personally don't think we need anybody.
Guzan has been well below par so far this season and Gestede has severe deficiencies. But I expect Guzan to get back to a reasonable standard and Ayew/Kozak to pick up some real form before January. I'm happy enough with our defence and midfield. Unless there is a clearly superior (and more importantly, available) option out there, I'd keep the money in the pocket until the summer.
We need a striker in January and a good one at that.
Without doubt.
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I would go after that guy Kozak from Lazio. Had a bad injury so he is bound to be rusty but we would get him for peanuts.
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Chelsea will probably update their goalkeeper as Begovic has been a nightmare so far this season and the Chelsea fans don't like him
so he might be for sale for about 10mill,
he is worse than Guzan and wouldnt be any improvement on him, but many on here wanted him and we were obviously interested in pre season
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For me, a right back and a striker.
Poor old Hutton. Arguably one of our players of the season last year and one of our few decent performers this year and he still can't shake the useless clogger tag with some people.
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17th
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A goalkeeper hopefully, a striker definitely or we're relegated. Simple as that. As good as yesterday's result was, we went 90 mins without a shot on target. Not that I'm blaming Garde for that, he's inherited a squad without a goalscorer to rely on. Has to be his priority in January.
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Four fornicholl,
I too have already suggested Alexandre Lacazette. I'm fairly certain that he is one that Remi brought through from the Lyon youth system when he was there. Just need to be able to afford the £20 million they will want for him. PS:Scored a hat trick again for Lyon yesterday!!
He's also well in sight of breaking into the French national squad and, although he's not overly tall seems to head in quite a few goals plus shoots from the edge of the area and normally finds the back of the net. Looks like a really exciting player to me.
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We would have all said that centre back was a priority until yesterday, and probably a goalkeeper would have been thought essential too. Remi's only had three days but he's managed to transform the defence - if we give him a couple of months on the attack then we'll know whether or not we need a new striker.
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Reckon it'll be some forward from Ligue 1 who most of us won't have heard of but who will actually sound quite decent as more reports come out about him.
Michy Batshuayi (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michy_Batshuayi).
Sorted.
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Victor Valdez would be ideal
Need to improve the goal threat in the team somehow, Jordan Ayew seems best suited to lead the line but his record is far from prolific. The players supporting him - Gil, Grealish, Veretout, Sinclair, Traore all need to step up with goals.
I think we are ok at right back with Hutton, Richards and even Crespo.
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Remi is looking at Mainz's keeper Loris Karius, according to some reports. Remy from the Chavs would be nice.
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Someone totally obscure with the size and ability of Benteke would do nicely.
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Striker and Goalkeeper
We still have Okore to come in at centre half
and the options of Ilori & Gardner have to be exhausted in defence/midfield before go out buying more in my opinion
Agreed
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Reckon it'll be some forward from Ligue 1 who most of us won't have heard of but who will actually sound quite decent as more reports come out about him.
Hopefully that process is already well underway.
I thought Remi had indicated no more players from France at the moment
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I'd like another ball-winning midfielder. I think Sanchez and Gana are absolutely vital to our prospects but it's unrealistic to expect them to play every game without getting knackered/injured/banned so we need someone else in their position, even if it's just back up.
I don't think we need a right-back or centre-half. We have Okore to come back and have Ilore and Crespo as options.
So:
Goalkeeper £10m
Left-back cover £2m
Nutcase midfielder cover £3m
Centre-forward £20m
Is all we need.
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I suspect that is to put the spies from other clubs ie Leicester off. Remi will be being watched like a hawk in January if he does know a new Benteke playing for FC Ordures in Ligue 3.
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I'd like another ball-winning midfielder. I think Sanchez and Gana are absolutely vital to our prospects but it's unrealistic to expect them to play every game without getting knackered/injured/banned so we need someone else in their position, even if it's just back up.
Maybe Gardner can be that back up. Personally I have always thought he was lacking in pace to be an "up and down" midfielder but I think he has the mentality to be coached into a holding position and undoubtedly has the ball playing ability to pass it accurately.
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Guzan worries me nowadays so I'd make a goalkeeper top priority in January. Other than that I think we need to see how the players get on with Garde as manager and once players like Okore and Kozak have had a go.
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Maybe Marshall from Cardiff City? Hutton probably knows him from the Scotland team.
A 20 goal a season striker would be nice, can we get Benteke on loan?
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Benteke's started scoring for Liverpool so I think we can forget about that.
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Benteke's started scoring for Liverpool so I think we can forget about that.
I'm not sure he's settled in all that well,
he missed a sitter yesterday and the scousers didn't want him in the first place so they will be tight on his back if he doesn't get on the score sheet regularly
I know there's no chance of him coming back,
but if we were going to spend 20 mill + like D Bent days, which I doubt , but if we were we might as well spend 30 and give him and them a choice to make
this team and this manager with the big man up front again would be dreamland
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I do hope Remi gets the most out of the current squad, and I believe in most cases he will.
But given the size of the challenge we have , and the risk that we would do a Leeds if we failed it, I think there is a lot of sense in Lerner properly coughing up for some short term loans in January. In addition, in a couple of spots we are arguably at risk of an injury ruining the whole thing - even if Guzan does well, if he gets injured we are really down to bare bones.
Of the players currently in the wilderness in their own squads and likely to be available on Jan 1st for a 6 month loan, I think Valdes and Remy fit the bill perfectly. I know it doesn't address the long term but if we survive then bids for Lacazette can follow in the summer.
Looking at the fixtures we have a nice little run from Christmas to mid Feb when we need to really rack up the points :
- West Ham home and away
- Norwich home and away
- Sunderland away
- Palace at home
- Leicester at home
- Baggies away
plus FA Cup from frankly we should field reserves for that - Gabbys last appearance etc...
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I do hope Remi gets the most out of the current squad, and I believe in most cases he will.
But given the size of the challenge we have , and the risk that we would do a Leeds if we failed it, I think there is a lot of sense in Lerner properly coughing up for some short term loans in January. In addition, in a couple of spots we are arguably at risk of an injury ruining the whole thing - even if Guzan does well, if he gets injured we are really down to bare bones.
Of the players currently in the wilderness in their own squads and likely to be available on Jan 1st for a 6 month loan, I think Valdes and Remy fit the bill perfectly. I know it doesn't address the long term but if we survive then bids for Lacazette can follow in the summer.
Looking at the fixtures we have a nice little run from Christmas to mid Feb when we need to really rack up the points :
- West Ham home and away
- Norwich home and away
- Sunderland away
- Palace at home
- Leicester at home
- Baggies away
plus FA Cup from frankly we should field reserves for that - Gabbys last appearance etc...
But we're not in the same situation as Leeds. Randy wrote off all the debt owed to him last year, converting it to equity (essentially selling shares to himself to the value of the debt.)
Leeds owed money to all and sundry through finance deals that essentially mortgaged their expected CL earnings to pay for players. (Ray Ransom - one of Randy's competitors - was broker for most of the finances if I recall.) Leeds were screwed by missing out on CL for one season and not making their mortgage payments.
We've got no mortgage payments to make.
It would purely be a question of how much Randy was prepared to finance to have a go at getting back up.
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There was a love in on WM for Jordan Rhodes tonight which whilst logical as a pairing with Gestede - & as much as I like thee latter - I don't think this is the answer.
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mr ellis kept us as a liquid club for several years and still we aren't drowning in debt
lerner seems to be doing the same but we have to speculate to accumulafe
alexander lacazette even at 30 million is a no brainer if it keeps us up
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mr ellis kept us as a liquid club for several years and still we aren't drowning in debt
lerner seems to be doing the same but we have to speculate to accumulafe
Lerner is only stopping us from drowning in debt because he has written them all off.
If any of that money had been owed to someone not quite so benevolent, we'd be totally fucked by now.
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I think it's fairly clear we need some genuine pace in the side. There were two or three occasions on Sunday where we threatened to break clear on the half way line but we didn't have the pace to do so.
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mr ellis kept us as a liquid club for several years and still we aren't drowning in debt
lerner seems to be doing the same but we have to speculate to accumulafe
Lerner is only stopping us from drowning in debt because he has written them all off.
If any of that money had been owed to someone not quite so benevolent, we'd be totally fucked by now.
have we any idea exactly how much we have cost mr lerner
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There was a love in on WM for Jordan Rhodes tonight which whilst logical as a pairing with Gestede - & as much as I like thee latter - I don't think this is the answer.
The fact that a) no one has taken a punt thus far or b) he can't even get a regular start for Scotland suggests he isn't all that great. Let's not forget Gestede was highly rated last year...thus far he looked v limited
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There was some probably baseless claim that Remi wants Joe Allen from Liverpool. Not sure why - maybe in for, or to compete with, Sanchez and/or Veretout? - but I've always thought he's a very good player, and another one the Liverpool fans are unfair about. It would have to be for a decent price, however - Liverpool paid roughly twice too much for him.
Anyway, like I say, it's probably all horse bollocks.
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mr ellis kept us as a liquid club for several years and still we aren't drowning in debt
lerner seems to be doing the same but we have to speculate to accumulafe
Lerner is only stopping us from drowning in debt because he has written them all off.
If any of that money had been owed to someone not quite so benevolent, we'd be totally fucked by now.
have we any idea exactly how much we have cost mr lerner
It would take someone like Risso to give an accurate number as he goes through the accounts when they're released, but based on purchase price of £62M plus what he's written off over the years including a final tranche of just over £90M last December, a good guess would be somewhere between £300M and £350M.
So if he manages to get the reputed £150M asking price he's on for a £150-200M haircut.
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mr ellis kept us as a liquid club for several years and still we aren't drowning in debt
lerner seems to be doing the same but we have to speculate to accumulafe
Lerner is only stopping us from drowning in debt because he has written them all off.
If any of that money had been owed to someone not quite so benevolent, we'd be totally fucked by now.
have we any idea exactly how much we have cost mr lerner
Yes its in the accounts and from memory over 250million
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If we were to continue our French theme then I'd like us to look at Wissam Ben Yedder. Slightly older and not quite as prolific as Lacazette, but would likely be cheaper. Has averaged 15 goals a season over the last three years in a mid-lower table Toulouse team.
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If we were to continue our French theme then I'd like us to look at Wissam Ben Yedder. Slightly older and not quite as prolific as Lacazette, but would likely be cheaper. Has averaged 15 goals a season over the last three years in a mid-lower table Toulouse team.
I read on here that he said he wasn't going down the French route in the transfer market in Jan
But I don't know how true that is or what he actually said
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Remy wouldn't touch us with a barge pole. If he became available then he'd have better options than a relegation threatened club.
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There was some probably baseless claim that Remi wants Joe Allen from Liverpool. Not sure why - maybe in for, or to compete with, Sanchez and/or Veretout? - but I've always thought he's a very good player, and another one the Liverpool fans are unfair about. It would have to be for a decent price, however - Liverpool paid roughly twice too much for him.
Anyway, like I say, it's probably all horse bollocks.
He reminds me a lot of Westwood actually. Looks neat and tidy but does he really influence games enough? Didn't liverpool sign him for something mental like 18m aswell so they're hardly going to give him away.
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There was some probably baseless claim that Remi wants Joe Allen from Liverpool. Not sure why - maybe in for, or to compete with, Sanchez and/or Veretout? - but I've always thought he's a very good player, and another one the Liverpool fans are unfair about. It would have to be for a decent price, however - Liverpool paid roughly twice too much for him.
Anyway, like I say, it's probably all horse bollocks.
He reminds me a lot of Westwood actually. Looks neat and tidy but does he really influence games enough? Didn't liverpool sign him for something mental like 18m aswell so they're hardly going to give him away.
It wouldn't be the first time Liverpool have had to take a huge loss on a transfer. Don't know how long he has left on his contract.
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mr ellis kept us as a liquid club for several years and still we aren't drowning in debt
lerner seems to be doing the same but we have to speculate to accumulafe
Lerner is only stopping us from drowning in debt because he has written them all off.
If any of that money had been owed to someone not quite so benevolent, we'd be totally fucked by now.
have we any idea exactly how much we have cost mr lerner
Yes its in the accounts and from memory over 250million
A fool and his money.....
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mr ellis kept us as a liquid club for several years and still we aren't drowning in debt
lerner seems to be doing the same but we have to speculate to accumulafe
Lerner is only stopping us from drowning in debt because he has written them all off.
If any of that money had been owed to someone not quite so benevolent, we'd be totally fucked by now.
have we any idea exactly how much we have cost mr lerner
Yes its in the accounts and from memory over 250million
A fool and his money.....
He can afford it.
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I'd like another ball-winning midfielder. I think Sanchez and Gana are absolutely vital to our prospects but it's unrealistic to expect them to play every game without getting knackered/injured/banned so we need someone else in their position, even if it's just back up.
Maybe Gardner can be that back up. Personally I have always thought he was lacking in pace to be an "up and down" midfielder but I think he has the mentality to be coached into a holding position and undoubtedly has the ball playing ability to pass it accurately.
And isn't Ilori supposed to be a defender/defensive MF?
We need to see what he and Gardner can do, imho.
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I read something yesterday that suggested Ilori might be going back to Liverpool in the New Year. Is that possible under the loan conditions?
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think we will have to something similar to what we had to do with TFM1 when he broke the bank for a proven goalscorer, just getting my prayer mat out now and chanting Zlatan, Zlatan,Zlatan
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I read something yesterday that suggested Ilori might be going back to Liverpool in the New Year. Is that possible under the loan conditions?
No, I don't think so. (According to something I read yesterday.) The only way I believe he could go back is if Villa don't want him so the decision would rest with Garde.
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He's been struggling with injuries apparently.
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Joe Allen no but I'll call flamini and maybe arteta.
Look at this :
Mathieu Flamini out of contract in summer along with arteta both to be relased. Both are Perfect captain material and influence on young midfielder s around. If arsenal don't qualify like to see both in janurawy not a pre contract . Flamini would be most likely . Hes a french man who speaks good english, good charcter and footballer in his postion . Hes Garde type of man and can handle a few more seasons. It would be great move for all involved. I think flamini for sure should be brought in for passion.
And I think I'm being very realistic reasonable and clever in suggestion.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/tomas-rosicky-mathieu-flamini-and-mikel-arteta-face-arsenal-exits-at-end-of-the-season-a6720621.html
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Flamini. Would be perfect.
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Flamini would be a decent shout, we need experienced cover for the two deep lying midfielders
Left back is a priority now even to bring in someone on loan, you would think Gibbs and Clichy would be open for a move to get themselves into international reckoning.
Hopefully Garde will have other ideas that dont involve Richardson, Clark, Lescott, Cissokho or Bennett at left back after Jan.
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a loan would be better or this left back can play another position when Amavi make full recovery.
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I think we will recall one of our loaned out LB's. A new forward is still a priority. I imagine though Garde will get good support from the board whichever he decides, and he might think we need both.
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If Sherwood is right about others making decisions on transfers, then I think it will be more of the same as the summer come January.
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If Sherwood is right about others making decisions on transfers, then I think it will be more of the same as the summer come January.
Sherwood was fucked off his utter gash suggestions weren't agreed to. Garde looks at the set up as something he is more familiar with and understands the notion of a team approach to player acquisition with him having the final say. I am way more confident in Garde being happy with the types of player we have been targeting and being a big part in the types of player we go after.
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There was some probably baseless claim that Remi wants Joe Allen from Liverpool. Not sure why - maybe in for, or to compete with, Sanchez and/or Veretout? - but I've always thought he's a very good player, and another one the Liverpool fans are unfair about. It would have to be for a decent price, however - Liverpool paid roughly twice too much for him.
Anyway, like I say, it's probably all horse bollocks.
Hope not, unless he's really cheap. Don't rate him.
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If Sherwood is right about others making decisions on transfers, then I think it will be more of the same as the summer come January.
Sherwood was fucked off his utter gash suggestions weren't agreed to. Garde looks at the set up as something he is more familiar with and understands the notion of a team approach to player acquisition with him having the final say. I am way more confident in Garde being happy with the types of player we have been targeting and being a big part in the types of player we go after.
Wasn't suggesting our policy in the summer was a bad one. I just think we'll be looking abroad again, as opposed to some of the domestic names that have been mentioned.
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If Sherwood is right about others making decisions on transfers, then I think it will be more of the same as the summer come January.
Sherwood was fucked off his utter gash suggestions weren't agreed to. Garde looks at the set up as something he is more familiar with and understands the notion of a team approach to player acquisition with him having the final say. I am way more confident in Garde being happy with the types of player we have been targeting and being a big part in the types of player we go after.
Wasn't suggesting our policy in the summer was a bad one. I just think we'll be looking abroad again, as opposed to some of the domestic names that have been mentioned.
Sorry, yes I agree with that. The English market is so inflated.
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Jelavic
Adebayor
Austin on a pay as you play contract
Shane Long
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Jelavic
Adebayor
Austin on a pay as you play contract
Shane Long
Do you honestly believe Charlie Austin would agree to a pay as you play contract? Do those things even exist anymore?
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Apparently he has a bad knee injury - he was brokered for a move to Everton and it fell through as they had would not have been able to get Charlie Austin inured. I have this from a good source, someone who was working at Everton until he got a manager's job in non league.
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Charlie Austin has hardly smashed the Championship to pieces this season . Desperate though we are, I'm not sure he's what we are looking for. Mobility and presence.
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Another reason to get Mathieu Flamini
http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/15/arsenal-fans-are-desperate-for-mathieu-flamini-to-buy-arsenal-5502864/ (Swap Arsenal for Aston Villa ;))
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Maybe worth looking at Benjamin Moukandjo or Alberto Paloschi and sign Léo Bonatini - this striker will develop into a top class player over next couple of years.
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Another reason to get Mathieu Flamini
http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/15/arsenal-fans-are-desperate-for-mathieu-flamini-to-buy-arsenal-5502864/ (Swap Arsenal for Aston Villa ;))
Sign him up!
He can also play left back!
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Another reason to get Mathieu Flamini
http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/15/arsenal-fans-are-desperate-for-mathieu-flamini-to-buy-arsenal-5502864/ (Swap Arsenal for Aston Villa ;))
Sort of thing you would expect to read on April 1st. That's got to be bullshit hasn't it?
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I see the Telegraph has us linked with Charlie Austin according to the BBC gossip page.
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Austin is on a Bosman at the end of the season so I reckon he'll sit tight and chance getting a megadeal in wages for next season, what with all the summer talk of £90k a week and £5m signing on fee.
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Would be happy giving Austin a go although I don't know how much the club would be willing to pay on him, or what kind of wages.
I would also be happy if we start giving Kozak some bloody games, but that would seem a pipe dream.
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Austin at £8m or so wouldn't be too bad - the figures mooted in the summer were ridiculous
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Austin at £8m or so wouldn't be too bad - the figures mooted in the summer were ridiculous
See Karl's post above about Austin's contract expiry.
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Goalkeeping crisis may now be averted if we sign this fella from PSG
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missed that Mister E thanks.
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Callum Chambers can't get in the Arsenal squad. I wonder if he'd want to come and play left back for us.
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Callum Chambers can't get in the Arsenal squad. I wonder if he'd want to come and play left back for us.
He is a right back or CH not a left back
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Austin can fuck off, he thinks he is way better than he actually is. Big time Charlie who can F-off.
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We need a Darren Bent-esq January window.
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Lucas, Liverpool? Defoe from Sunderland?
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Calum Chambers isn't much quicker than Lescott.
I've said it before, Peter Crouch as a short term fix. He can hold the ball up and chips in with goals.
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Let's hope we are still close enough to safety to warrant spending anything...we need some big-hearted, experienced players that can fight for our survival...and Paddy and Henrik should relegate their moneyball system to the academy.
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the dilemma is even if there is a chance of survival come January, could we attract anyone who really would make a difference to sign? If we are hopelessly adrift on New Year's Day it might be better to start seriously identifying people we need for the Championship.
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This is the problem - anyone half decent will have several clubs tracking them. Joining the bottom team mid-season is hardly an attractive proposition. This means we end up buying someone who is at the end of their career or another nobody who needs time to adjust, blah blah blah.
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Look for a team with a decent defence and buy the players.
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I think it all depends where we are when the window opens. Stranded at the bottom, who will come and why would the club throw loads of money at it when it will make little difference? Let's face it all of the struggling clubs will be fighting over the same players, who would join knowing they will be playing in the championship next season?
Our biggest problem is goals and the fact we put all of our eggs as a club in the Adabayor basket who then bizarrely changed his mind due to a witch doctor or something!
Where was the plan B? We deserve to know from the club who was behind the transfer strategy in the Summer....of course we won't be told and they will leave at the end of the season with a nice big payoff no doubt.
Surely it is time for a bit of leadership and false narrative from Messrs Lerner and Fox?
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Not ably replacing Benteke with someone who could get 10-12 goals will come back to haunt us. Did anyine really think a £6m buy from the Championship was going to cut the mustard?
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How many are we allowed in on loan?
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I think we will buy a striker for 15 millions, plus goalkeeper, and defender or midfielder for 11 millions pounds combined and a loan player and hopefully 2 or 3 players leaving. Randy will spend to protect our chance. But it depends on how are we in New Year.
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Calum Chambers isn't much quicker than Lescott.
I've said it before, Peter Crouch as a short term fix. He can hold the ball up and chips in with goals.
Good shout re Crouch. He cant get a kick at Stoke
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A realistic January target for me is to win a match by then and try to get to double figures in points!
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A realistic January target for me is to win a match by then and try to get to double figures in points!
I shouldn't laugh. And by laugh I mean laugh with sad tears in my eyes.
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We need buy players who can play 4-2-3-1
So LB as Richardson is frankly shit
CM to play as a holder alongside Sanchez though perhaps Gueye could work there
3 Behind striker Gil /Grealish /Ayew/Traore / Vertout /Nzog /Sinclair can mix and match there but who ever is there need to be scoring
Striker ..Target man who can hold up the ball or someone with decent movement
Defoe/Crouch will both be available could be good short term solutions of known names.
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Everyone knows what we need but I think it'll be too late by then.
Goal scorer
Defensive midfielder x2
Left back
Goalkeeper
They don't need to be world beaters, but they need to be men & reliable Premiership performers. Not many would take Whelan or Adams from Stoke nor Huth from Leicester but they're all men & know their job. Everything in front of the defence is too lightweight, shite or both.
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Dannny Ings on loan is a shout.
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Ings is out for season I think...which means he is a realistic target
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Calum Chambers isn't much quicker than Lescott.
I've said it before, Peter Crouch as a short term fix. He can hold the ball up and chips in with goals.
Is he still fond of us?
Good shout re Crouch. He cant get a kick at Stoke
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Jedinak from Palace, a leader, tough and ideal to sit in front of a back four. Not a regular at Palace and would not cost a lot.
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Grant Holt
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my, is it April 1st already!
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Dannny Ings on loan is a shout.
Because he and Amavi might hit it off while recovering?
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Danny Ings with one leg would still be more of a goal threat than Gabby and Gestede.
Seriously when your strike force is Ayew, Gabby and Gestede you know you're fecked.
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The club should be identifying now 2 players that they can realistically bring in on loan. These need to be players that will go straight into the first team. They need to be international class and be identified to fill specific positions in the team. I would have thought left back is a glaringly obvious positions as I do not think we will be buying a player when we have Amavi to come back next year.
There will be many players across Europe that are in the final year of their contracts and will not be retained. Once the CL final rounds teams have been identified there will be clubs that have not qualified that may be willing to let higher paid players go. European clubs seem to work more along the lines of signing a player on a contract and accept him moving on at the end of the contract due to lower wages but with signing on benefits.
I cannot suggest anybody, just the method that we should be adopting. I should imagine paying somebody £75k a week until the end of the season would attract quality players. Adding a bonus based on performance would show what we want out of them. The time to do the research is now and if they are from countries that take a mid-season break, get them in as soon as that happens, even though they will not be available to play until January.
The above would be a short term fix for a couple of positions, the more difficult thing is to identify players that we could buy that would go straight into the team and actually come here. The positive on this point is that we have a manager that may be able to attract them, particularly if they are from Europe.
One thing that is starting to concern me is how we have gravitated to very much a fixed match day squad. It is the same group of players that are being rotated. There are players outside of this group that are not getting a look in, even on the bench. What must their attitude be like right now. Even if it is only to shake up the complacency, I think there should be more rotation. Is this why we have seen few young players come through the ranks over the last few years.
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Danny Ings with one leg would still be more of a goal threat than Gabby and Gestede.
Seriously when your strike force is Ayew, Gabby and Gestede you know you're fecked.
Stupid post of the day winner.
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Dannny Ings on loan is a shout.
Because he and Amavi might hit it off while recovering?
Sorry I did not know he was injured.
I have not seen too many not injured suggestions though.
What about Caroll from West Ham, i am sure he could get injured for the rest of the season if we get him.
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We need players in too many positions I just can't see us getting what we need in January, in my opinion we need:
Goalkeeper
Left back
2 centre halves (Richards needs to be moved to right back)
2 defensive midfielders
Striker
I think it might be worth Garde seeing who he could get on loan from Arsenal as well I am sure Wenger would help him out.
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Jedinak from Palace, a leader, tough and ideal to sit in front of a back four. Not a regular at Palace and would not cost a lot.
thought we should have gone for him in the summer, good shout.
Besic too at Everton is a tidy midfielder with a bit of presence about him, struggling to get in ahead of the likes of Barry but would be a level above the likes of Gardner and Westwood
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Ings who before Injury was outscoring Benteke ..yeah I'm sure they will let him go
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the dilemma is even if there is a chance of survival come January, could we attract anyone who really would make a difference to sign? If we are hopelessly adrift on New Year's Day it might be better to start seriously identifying people we need for the Championship.
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if we are still around the bottom 3 in jan who would want to come, if i was a player i wouldnt touch us with a bargepole
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I really don't think a keeper is that vital at the moment but a spine is. Central defender, central midfielder and forward.
Vlaar? Flamini? Crouch?
One or two around the spine - and its here i'd expect Garde to pick one or two 'Dugarrys' from France.
Basically Garde, and Lerner, have one transfer window to save us.
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Four players in January is tough but far from inpossible. That's what we need.
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It smacks of desperation. Which is exactly where we're at.
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Jedinak from Palace, a leader, tough and ideal to sit in front of a back four. Not a regular at Palace and would not cost a lot.
Would be an ideal signing if we do drop down. Limited player in the top flight though.
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I have no idea if such a player is out there but, in an ideal world, if we could somehow bring in an experienced Cambiasso level of player to act as a leader and inspiration for the group it would be superb.
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Danny Ings with one leg would still be more of a goal threat than Gabby and Gestede.
Seriously when your strike force is Ayew, Gabby and Gestede you know you're fecked.
Sinclair and Kozak to save us then. I trying for positives but I think they are best two strikers and had most big time experience it being good to use them
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Both has the euro 2016 aim for and would be like a new signing Kozak the Czech republic. And Sinclair too for wales if he stays fit and recaptures his Swansea form both can come good.
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Both has the euro 2016 aim for and would be like a new signing Kozak the Czech republic. And Sinclair too for wales if he stays fit and recaptures his Swansea form both can come good.
Sinclair isn't Welsh
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Both has the euro 2016 aim for and would be like a new signing Kozak the Czech republic. And Sinclair too for wales if he stays fit and recaptures his Swansea form both can come good.
Sinclair isn't Welsh
I had to double check their oh I always thought he was welsh as he was Swansea. Yes quite right. Well kozak is going for euros. Whatever happened to him
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I'd be very surprised if the Czech Rep pick Kozak for the Euros seeing as he's barely played competitive football for over a year and isn't getting a look in.
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Both Brazilian and Argentinian leagues have a break from December, as does yhe MLS. Any loan pickings in that lot ? Tevez anyone ?
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I honestly think a double signing of Ronaldo and Messi would struggle to help us at the moment
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I really don't think a keeper is that vital at the moment but a spine is. Central defender, central midfielder and forward.
Vlaar? Flamini? Crouch?
One or two around the spine - and its here i'd expect Garde to pick one or two 'Dugarrys' from France.
Basically Garde, and Lerner, have one transfer window to save us.
I'll go with that especially Crouchy. But it will probably be French players that Garde knows well from recent years.
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There will probably be a few loan deals. As said, it could be difficult getting players in on permanent contracts in our position.
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i would take crouch on a permanent deal he would be a good bit of insurance, if we escape then he's a decent back up if we drop he is still good enough to score a lot in the championship.
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Crouch is a good shout. I'd be inclined to try and get Remy on loan from Chelsea too.
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Why would Remy go from being number 2 striker at Chelsea and competing in Europe to an already doomed Villa?
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Go to the gym......sorry wrong thread.
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Why would Remy go from being number 2 striker at Chelsea and competing in Europe to an already doomed Villa?
We're a long way from doomed.
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Maybe on paper but to a player getting game time at one of the biggest clubs in Europe, I doubt joining Villa in the New Year doomed or not is high on his wish list.
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What is absolutely vital in the January window is that players are identified early (ie now) & deals are done in the first week not the last week of window.
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On Remy - doubt he'll be so high up the pecking order at Chelsea come January; they'll spend. He needs games to be in contention for the Euros.
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How about Corinthians keeper Cassio. Theyve just won their league, he is Brazils no 3, 28 years old, 6ft 5 but he did have 3 failed years at PSV.
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Phil bardsley can play left back decent enuff for task at hand. Doesn't get game time ahead at stoke I'd bring him and odewimgie on loan. Take flamini and ben arta as French players who can come in make an impact
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How about Corinthians keeper Cassio. Theyve just won their league, he is Brazils no 3, 28 years old, 6ft 5 but he did have 3 failed years at PSV.
Bet he's good at calculating the angles.
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How about Corinthians keeper Cassio. Theyve just won their league, he is Brazils no 3, 28 years old, 6ft 5 but he did have 3 failed years at PSV.
Bet he's good at calculating the angles.
One to watch
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Phil bardsley can play left back decent enuff for task at hand. Doesn't get game time ahead at stoke I'd bring him and odewimgie on loan. Take flamini and ben arta as French players who can come in make an impact
Bloody hell there's some duds there. Phil Bardsley who wasn't a particularly good right back being played out of position, Odewingie who's always injured and Ben Arfa who was bombed out of Newcastle and Hull due to attitude. Flamini might be a reasonable suggestion.
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Ben Arfa's getting rave reviews for his performances this season to be fair
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Gk
Mark Schwerzer
Experienced professional would give good competition to Guzan. With courtois coming back an begovic to be back up the big aussie could do a job and experienced would b crucial in dressing room. Decent pro and competitive.he's out of contract in summer.
Defence
There's a french left back at Swansea who does get game time Frank tabanou who's decent too. A loan would be good.
Similarly there is a competent spainish full ball enrqiue at liverpool . The left back ,who is out of contact maybe,worth a loan to buy.
Bardsley isn't getting game time. Solid and committed player who has hard work and knows a relegation battle would add steel.
Midfield
I think likes of Andy king and Stephen Pienarr on loan from Leicester and Everton. Goal scoring midfielders to help supplement attack. Depending where Qpr are languishing in January a bid for matty Phillips. A reason being he's got good footy skillz , direct running and shootings. This would be an alternative to the enigmatic Ben arta.
Another one to highlight from the championship is mo mo diame of hull. Powerhouse midfielder.
Sengal team mate of idrassa and French speaking.
Striker
Austin out of contract in summer
Odemwingie goal scorer out of contract in summer short-term deal
Joel Campbell loan from arsenal
Fraizer Campbell palace pacey forward worth a go.
Players
Schwerzer
Tabanou
Enrique
Bardsley
King
Pienarr
Phillips
Ben artu
Townsend
Diame
Joie Allen
Flamini
Arteta
Kaka
Kazir
Braitwaite
Austin
Giovincho
Diaby
Dempsey
Okaka
Odemwingie
Campbell Joel
Campbell Frazer
There's also potential for some others outside premier league and i mention them here from my list and extensive scouting , rumours and other tid bits.
Like mls players. Stranger things have happened but a Ricardo kaka or perhaps Giovincho or Clint Dempsey coming over.
Belgian league
Striker wise my scouting tells me abdoulay diaby would be on radar. Currently plying his trade in Belgian he's a french speaking Mali goalscorer. Having a good season and one villa may be looking at. He's only just joined brugge but a decent offer would see him here. Okaka Chuka may b a bit more difficult to prize away from andrelect but would be worth getting too.
Ligue 1
In France the players who could be coming are likes of Martin braithwaite and whabi kazir. Attacking midfielders who would certainly add something to villa going forward.
It's never not than 8 players signed in a winter window but I would not be surprised if villa linked and sign some of these.
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and we can get good international players out of favour for their club if they really want game time before Euros 2016. We can use this to our advantage.
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If he's free of injury I'd take carroll on loan.
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some hope. at this rate we'd be lucky to get Grant 'Mr Bobby' Holt to want to come back. I absolutely fucking hate football at the moment
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I normally laugh at Villakicks suggestions, but maybe we should start looking ahead to the Championship. What's Nolan up to these days? Is it time for the triumphant return of NRC?
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There is no point. Get to the summer, and make sure we get a wide man to feed Gestede, and a couple of big hard bastards in defence and midfield. Do that we will come straight back. The scouting for the championship should start now though.
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At this rate, the January and summer windows will be with a view to getting us promoted at the first attempt.
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Look on the brightside - next season will can fill the team of loanees from Chelski & Citeh & storm the 'EFL', as it's going to be re-branded.
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think Felliani would be a good shout on loan, presume Moyes will look to bring him to Newcastle
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We'll be too far adrift in January.
We're already 8 points off safety, a lot of games between now and a fair few in January so really with our form it's going to be double figures very soon.
There is no point doing Darren Bent style sigings as that will further mess up the club financially unless you put in relegation release clauses.
I imagine we'll get in as many loans as we can possibly do from here and abroad.
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I wouldn't do a thing in January, there really is no point.
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We'll be too far adrift in January.
We're already 8 points off safety, a lot of games between now and a fair few in January so really with our form it's going to be double figures very soon.
There is no point doing Darren Bent style sigings as that will further mess up the club financially unless you put in relegation release clauses.
I imagine we'll get in as many loans as we can possibly do from here and abroad.
I agree, it will be about reorganising the squad in line with next seasons revenue.
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We might get some decent crowds next season, I think everyone will be quite excited about seeing a few wins.
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We'll be too far adrift in January.
We're already 8 points off safety, a lot of games between now and a fair few in January so really with our form it's going to be double figures very soon.
There is no point doing Darren Bent style sigings as that will further mess up the club financially unless you put in relegation release clauses.
I imagine we'll get in as many loans as we can possibly do from here and abroad.
I agree, it will be about reorganising the squad in line with next seasons revenue.
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We need:
A guaranteed goalscorer
A top Keeper
A left back that can cross the ball
An experienced commanding central defender
A marauding, hard tackling, goalscoring central midfielder.
None of which we can afford.
None of which would consider coming here.
And even if we could get them, you'd be amazed if they settled and performed straight away.
sorry boys, its over for us. we need snookers as it is.
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We are snookered now really. Anyone who thinks Lerner will spend big in January is deluded and hasn't seen the table. We'll be 10 points adrift (maybe more) by then.
It'll all be about minimizing loses. We won't pay over the odds on mercenaries with relegation virtually nailed on. Not to the degree that we'd need to stay up which if £50m minimum across at least 4 positions.
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We'l spend next to nothing in January, resigned to going down. We can only hope we spend in the summer to get back up. There's not guarantees however, us being Aston Villa.
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To have more points than Derby County did.
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To have more points than Derby County did.
And it looks like they'll take our place. How ironic...
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A keeper, genuine goalscorer, winger that can cross, a proper holding midfielder that does not just give the ball away and let people run in behind.
Just to start.
For our planning of next season, I would be looking to get Jedinak of Palace to add some nasty in the middle of the park and because he is a leader, an experienced head and would put some bite into us.
Centre half is needed, but - and don't laugh - Senderos is worth a look 2nd half of the season. Lets face it, Richards and Clark are fucking terrible together, so get in a couple of solid, dependable lumps that can fucking defend. Richards should be right back from now on, and if not happy, sell the fucker, because his leadership skills are as good as Timmy's tactics.
Up front Crouch was a good shout the other day. Holds the ball up brilliantly and would give Ayew, Sinclair and Traore someone to play off.
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If money isn't thrown at villa there's a smart option of taking a chance on some non league strikers or lower league high scoring ability. I think the cruise of players like vardy is indication and contrast to the academy development players. A lower league or non league player with raw ability and goal scoring prowess could be unearthed and given chance. There's argument but means more to such a player rather than those who think they made it . it's only an idea but to see players with pride and determination would be great and a striker who knows how to get goals and shows fight will give it all. Garde though is an artisan so a busy player with endeavour isn't maybe what would come in .
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By January we'll probably be in a position where attracting half decent players with a bit of experience will be nigh on impossible. I can't see many wanting to join when we are so inevitably going down. It might be that all we can do is buy more promise, more over the hill or start our championship rebuild.
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Clauses written in, loan deals and big money offered these options would entice players who are either not playing first team footy or are of decent quality up for challenge
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I think if that's the choice I'd be looking a the Championship rebuild option. Jedinek in a great shout and exactly what we'll need to come back. We must make the most of that 1st season opportunity teams that go down have. Miss that and we'll struggle for a while.
As for non league players or lower league players young and hungry types, you must be joking. That's exactly the type of thinking that bought the likes of Westwood, Lowton, Bennett etc to ruin the squad In the first place. For every Jamie Vardy there's 10 Jordan Bowry's.
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By January we'll probably be in a position where attracting half decent players with a bit of experience will be nigh on impossible. I can't see many wanting to join when we are so inevitably going down. It might be that all we can do is buy more promise, more over the hill or start our championship rebuild.
Its the right over the hill that we will need. We have promise, and most are likely to stay through lack of takers. Sinclair/ Ayew might get sniffs but we would want 7-8 million for them easy. Gana has been poor of late but might get a few glances, Veretout will still be here, Westwood will. Need to start playing the likes of Gardner now too to get them ready for it, at least he has performed well at that level. So has Baker by the sounds of it, so get him back in. We could end up with a half decent side that will hold their own, but it will need 3-4 experienced players that can bring us back up
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We are snookered now really. Anyone who thinks Lerner will spend big in January is deluded and hasn't seen the table. We'll be 10 points adrift (maybe more) by then.
Who would want to cone to us in that position? No decent top flight player would due to the good chance we will be going down and players at good Championship sides won't because they might be going up.
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Clauses written in, loan deals and big money offered these options would entice players who are either not playing first team footy or are of decent quality up for challenge
Ask yourself this.
Why would they not be playing 1st team football?
If they are decent quality, why would their sides let them go?
When has a footballer last joined a side 10 points adrift in January for the 'challenge'?
What makes us think Lerner would spend over the odds in January when we'll be sunk anyway when he hasn't at any stage since 2010?
I admire your optimism but I think you'll be mightily disappointed come January because what we need and what we'll get will be miles apart. If the gap was 5 points or less maybe but it just won't be.
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In this situation we simply have to pay an absolute fortune in win bonuses or survival bonuses to persuade half decent players elsewhere to come in.
Above all we need leadership and experience. There have been some good suggestions such as Crouch and Jedinak but I still think the biggest area for improvement is defensively, keeper included.
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We need to rebuild the defence. I wonder if Richards won't be shifted to right back because we have agreed to play him centre back. If so, we either manage him better or bring in someone capable of playing next to him. Bringing Cissokho back won't help either, he's crap too. Perhaps a better standard of crap than Richardson though. We need to start with the keeper. We have to bring in someone who the defenders have some faith in.
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Maybe thats the way to attract decent players in January offer them a huge bonus if we stay up.
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Maybe thats the way to attract decent players in January offer them a huge bonus if we stay up.
we'll be miles off by then.
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Linked with Michael Keane from Burnley according to Newsnow.
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unless we win a couple before Jan I wouldn't bother with the January window.
Wait till summer, sack Garde if appropriate and have a go next year.
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Maybe thats the way to attract decent players in January offer them a huge bonus if we stay up.
we'll be miles off by then.
by jan we will be at least 10 points adrift, we are going to attract sod all
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Linked with Michael Keane from Burnley according to Newsnow.
Another young inexperienced defender with no experience of top flight football is just what we need.
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Linked with Michael Keane from Burnley according to Newsnow.
Another young inexperienced defender with no experience of top flight football is just what we need.
In fairness, linked doesn't always mean it's true.
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Linked with Michael Keane from Burnley according to Newsnow.
Another young inexperienced defender with no experience of top flight football is just what we need.
In fairness, linked doesn't always mean it's true.
I know but can't they link us with someone that would cheer me up today?
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Linked with Michael Keane from Burnley according to Newsnow.
Another young inexperienced defender with no experience of top flight football is just what we need.
In fairness, linked doesn't always mean it's true.
I know but can't they link us with someone that would cheer me up today?
Sorry, well they could I suppose but they would be making it up, like they normally do.
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Linked with Michael Keane from Burnley according to Newsnow.
Another young inexperienced defender with no experience of top flight football is just what we need.
In fairness, linked doesn't always mean it's true.
I know but can't they link us with someone that would cheer me up today?
Linked with Philippe Mexès today (By me, and a complete lie, but it might cheer you up).
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Linked with Michael Keane from Burnley according to Newsnow.
Another young inexperienced defender with no experience of top flight football is just what we need.
In fairness, linked doesn't always mean it's true.
I know but can't they link us with someone that would cheer me up today?
Linked with Philippe Mexès today (By me, and a complete lie, but it might cheer you up).
Back 4 of Richards, Illori, Mexes and Okore, yep looks better.
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Apart from loan deals we'll struggle to attract any quality. One glance at the table shows we are a championship club in waiting. We may get a couple of big name signings on loan in a last ditch attempt to save us. It worked with Robbie Keane but as many have said it will be too late then.
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Perhaps our best policy would be to identify those clubs currently in the Championship who are likely to be our competitors next season and cherry pick their best players. It might not help us in the short term, but we'll have got players who can hack it at that level and weakened other teams too. A win win.
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I'm going to cheer myself up with some fantasy January signings to beef up the defence when we tempt an Italian trio of Maldini, Baresi in front of Buffon with the promise of immortality.
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We need to get top quality players who will stay with us to get promotion if the worse happens. Like Buffon staying in Juventus when relegated for match fixing.
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Wait till summer, sack Garde if appropriate and have a go next year.
Why?
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If we do get relegated we need a clear out and build a team on energy and talent to not only get us out of the Championship but be able to hold their own back in the PL under the direction of a tactically astute manager.
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Linked with Michael Keane from Burnley according to Newsnow.
Another young inexperienced defender with no experience of top flight football is just what we need.
::) played in the top division last year and was very impressive, much better defender than our captain for one
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wouldnt mind seeing the following depart the club asap "by mutual consent" like what West Ham did with Nolan
lets rebuild to the end of the season with a leaner squad, literally in some cases given the fatties below, if we manage a great escape then brilliant, if not then at least some of the heavy lifting will be done ahead of next summer
gabby
senderos
lescott
richardson
kozak
nzogbia
cole
bennett
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wouldnt mind seeing the following depart the club asap "by mutual consent" like what West Ham did with Nolan
lets rebuild to the end of the season with a leaner squad, literally in some cases given the fatties below, if we manage a great escape then brilliant, if not then at least some of the heavy lifting will be done ahead of next summer
gabby
senderos
lescott
richardson
kozak
nzogbia
cole
bennett
Agree with these although I think Bennett may have some potential. The rest should be cleared out now.
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wouldnt mind seeing the following depart the club asap "by mutual consent" like what West Ham did with Nolan
lets rebuild to the end of the season with a leaner squad, literally in some cases given the fatties below, if we manage a great escape then brilliant, if not then at least some of the heavy lifting will be done ahead of next summer
gabby
senderos
lescott
richardson
kozak
nzogbia
cole
bennett
Agree with these although I think Bennett may have some potential. The rest should be cleared out now.
Think playing for AVFC and the pressure that goes with it was too much for Bennett
He is 25, Brighton didnt keep him on, cant get a kick at Bournemouth.... think he is past the potential stage really
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wouldnt mind seeing the following depart the club asap "by mutual consent" like what West Ham did with Nolan
lets rebuild to the end of the season with a leaner squad, literally in some cases given the fatties below, if we manage a great escape then brilliant, if not then at least some of the heavy lifting will be done ahead of next summer
gabby
senderos
lescott
richardson
kozak
nzogbia
cole
bennett
How many of those are out of contract at the end of the season? By my reckoning, Senderos, N'Zogbia and Cole definitely are and will be gone. Not sure about the others though.
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Keane looked a decent centre half for Burnley in fairness. Also want Andre Gray off them apparently (in same said link).
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If we do get relegated we need a clear out and build a team on energy and talent to not only get us out of the Championship but be able to hold their own back in the PL under the direction of a tactically astute manager.
I think we would need a solid spine bought in and then it would god a case of fitting others around. A new keeper and a commanding centre half and central midfielder would be a must. If they don't go up, I would like to see us in for Tom Heaton from Burnley and someone else mentioned Jedinak from Palace who would be good in that division. As witnessed in the Blues game, pace is key in the Championship and a successful season might just be the thing to build the confidence of the likes of Ayew, Veretout, Gana and a few others. I also think Gil and Grealish would be very good at that level. We would obviously have to go for a striker and could either go down the old campaigner route (maybe take Lambert from West Brom or maybe Crouch) or go for an up and coming striker from the lower divisions, like the lad from Wolves. If Bournemouth went down as well, it might be worth bidding for Wilson seeing as he will just be coming back from injury.
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I am thinking we will have a quiet January window (the club will have accepted relegation by that point) . I also think we will have a quiet summer window, few outgoings (our players are of similar or lower quality than Sunderland/Newcastle and who wants them?) and a few incomings of lower quality/wages than we currently have.
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wouldnt mind seeing the following depart the club asap "by mutual consent" like what West Ham did with Nolan
lets rebuild to the end of the season with a leaner squad, literally in some cases given the fatties below, if we manage a great escape then brilliant, if not then at least some of the heavy lifting will be done ahead of next summer
gabby
senderos
lescott
richardson
kozak
nzogbia
cole
bennett
agree with all of those
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Linked with Michael Keane from Burnley according to Newsnow.
Another young inexperienced defender with no experience of top flight football is just what we need.
::) played in the top division last year and was very impressive, much better defender than our captain for one
He's a great player. I'd be happy with him in the team.
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wouldnt mind seeing the following depart the club asap "by mutual consent" like what West Ham did with Nolan
lets rebuild to the end of the season with a leaner squad, literally in some cases given the fatties below, if we manage a great escape then brilliant, if not then at least some of the heavy lifting will be done ahead of next summer
gabby
senderos
lescott
richardson
kozak
nzogbia
cole
bennett
Agree with these although I think Bennett may have some potential. The rest should be cleared out now.
Think playing for AVFC and the pressure that goes with it was too much for Bennett
He is 25, Brighton didnt keep him on, cant get a kick at Bournemouth.... think he is past the potential stage really
bennett was interviewed last week and he said he would come back to villa a better player. not sure how that works exactly, rubbish at brighton and cant in a team that is as bad as us
Never was and never will be good enough
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Not sure who is realistic in January given how poor we are and how far we might be adrift of safety by then.
I can only hope the likes of Gardner, Kozak, Ilori and Adama at least get a look in the second half of the season (fitness permitting) as they can't be much worse than those currently getting a regular game for us - might be an option to recall Cissokho too.
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Realistic won't cut it, in terms of getting out of the hole we're in. Only the real-life equivalents of Cherno Samba, Fredy William Thomson, Ibrahima Bakayoko or Tonton Zola Moukoko could save us from this.
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wouldnt mind seeing the following depart the club asap "by mutual consent" like what West Ham did with Nolan
lets rebuild to the end of the season with a leaner squad, literally in some cases given the fatties below, if we manage a great escape then brilliant, if not then at least some of the heavy lifting will be done ahead of next summer
gabby
senderos
lescott
richardson
kozak
nzogbia
cole
bennett
Agree with these although I think Bennett may have some potential. The rest should be cleared out now.
Think playing for AVFC and the pressure that goes with it was too much for Bennett
He is 25, Brighton didnt keep him on, cant get a kick at Bournemouth.... think he is past the potential stage really
Potential, my arse. I honestly think he's the worst fullback I've ever seen at Villa and I thought no one would ever top Bernie Gallagher for shitness. Bennett certainly does though.
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Realistic won't cut it, in terms of getting out of the hole we're in. Only the real-life equivalents of Cherno Samba, Fredy William Thomson, Ibrahima Bakayoko or Tonton Zola Moukoko could save us from this.
Niclas Alexanderson, king of utillity men, would really help our injury woes.
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John Burridge, Lee Catermole,, Paul Allen, Gavin Peacock
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How about Jordan Rhodes? More with an eye on next season than anything.
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Jake Bidwell, if we want a decent left back
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Let's call to arms some past players who are sentimental to our cause.
And get them in on coaching scene. Laursen defence. Townsend midfield and Yorke and merse as the attacking coaches.
Basically I see likes of Neville's taking over Valencia then pundits like the ex villa above can do as good a job.
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There won't be any, Lerner knows we're going down and won't waste another Dollar of his cash IMO.
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John Burridge, Lee Catermole,, Paul Allen, Gavin Peacock
Carlton Palmer, Teddy Sheringham not Cascarino though
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How about Jordan Rhodes? More with an eye on next season than anything.
Only if it meant sending back Gestede, there is very little to Rhodes all round game, bar the obvious
Would be paying crazy money for him too
Remy would be a better bet for us I think, scored goals for struggling QPR and Newcastle sides previously
Bentaleb, Besic, Crouch, Bamford, Jedinak - all better players than we have already with an eye to next season too
As for a keeper, Darren Randolph was very impressive for Ireland in recent games.
Backup at West Ham but was impressive at Birmingham by all account, could be an option for us.
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Backup at West Ham but was impressive at Birmingham by all account, could be an option for us.
But has been rubbish for West Ham up to now.
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Maybe get Collins back on loan? Yes we know he likes to hoof it and I wasn't a huge fan when he was here but he'd be more solid than Lescott you'd think and strong in the air.
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Birmingham mail says we are weighing up these three targets
Ashley Cole
Logic Remy
Joel Campbell
So there you go
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Wilfried Bony I would go for .............its very unrealistic I know
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Wilfried Bony I would go for .............its very unrealistic I know
I'd go for Benteke. Or how about Lukaku?
Maybe Lewandowski?
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Wilfried Bony I would go for .............its very unrealistic I know
He looks a shadow of the player he looked at Swansea. Slow and lumbering. And for what they paid he's out of our range. And why would he leave a side in the CL and competing on most fronts to play for us? Even if he is only a squad player.
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Davide Santon would be a good signing. I imagine we'll see if we can get Cissokho back though.
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I'd like Remy, but with Chelsea one having Costa and Falcao then I can't see it.
We need to stiffen that spine as well as picking up a goal scorer.
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I'd like to see Walters from Stoke, he's got fight in him. Perfect for a relegation battle.
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I'd like to see Walters from Stoke, he's got fight in him. Perfect for a relegation battle.
He played superbly for the Irish during the European qualifiers. I think he's 32 so not over the hill but very experienced and could offer something to our squad in the short term. Wouldn't be against it.
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I'd like to see Walters from Stoke, he's got fight in him. Perfect for a relegation battle.
He played superbly for the Irish during the European qualifiers. I think he's 32 so not over the hill but very experienced and could offer something to our squad in the short term. Wouldn't be against it.
Agreed. He's got PL experience, bite, a touch of class at times and he's not over the hill just yet. He'd be perfect to help drag the Villa out of the bottom 3. He'd demand PL wages though, and that's the only worry for me. We have to splash the cash in January or we're doomed.
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Not being funny but why would Walters be a realistic target? He's playing regularly for Stoke so can't see why he'd be looking to play for another team, let alone one deep in a relegation scrap
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Not being funny but why would Walters be a realistic target? He's playing regularly for Stoke so can't see why he'd be looking to play for another team, let alone one deep in a relegation scrap
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if we are as good as down in early jan who the fuck is going to want to come to us?
peter crouch? jesus wept
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Ashley Cole would be a decent shout as an interim left back. Experienced, and still a lot better than any fit player we have, or any decent player we might be able to get, and wouldn't block Amavi's progress.
Loic Remy would be great too, but I doubt Chelsea would release him, unless they've got someone else lined up.
Joel Campbell - meh.
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Ashley Cole would be a decent shout as an interim left back. Experienced, and still a lot better than any fit player we have, or any decent player we might be able to get, and wouldn't block Amavi's progress.
Loic Remy would be great too, but I doubt Chelsea would release him, unless they've got someone else lined up.
Joel Campbell - meh.
I mentioned Joel Campbell in the summer. He'sa good player but i'm not sure Arsenal would let him go now he's contributing to their side.
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I am cherishing the hope, probably fruitless, that Remi might have some special pull with Arsene Wenger so Campbell could be a definite maybe. What happened to Frimpong?
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I am cherishing the hope, probably fruitless, that Remi might have some special pull with Arsene Wenger so Campbell could be a definite maybe. What happened to Frimpong?
Went to Barnsley and is now playing for Ufa in Russia.
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I liked the look of him. My son in law is gooner and he said he went because he had off pitch issues.
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I liked the look of him. My son in law is gooner and he said he went because he had off pitch issues.
I have a few of those too
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Me too, big time like I always like players with daft names like Frimpong and Rat and Trasch.
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I am cherishing the hope, probably fruitless, that Remi might have some special pull with Arsene Wenger so Campbell could be a definite maybe. What happened to Frimpong?
Injured playing table tennis
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I'd like to see Walters from Stoke, he's got fight in him. Perfect for a relegation battle.
Do you realise what you have just written
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Walters has rejected a new contract at Stoke, holding out for a bigger last pay-day.
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A big no to Ashley Cole. He's finished at the top level.
Good article on him here. http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/aug/22/ashley-cole-roma (http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/aug/22/ashley-cole-roma)
Yet another past it defender is the last thing we need.
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Read in a paper today that Jedinak is now available on a free from Palace. Not the most technically gifted player, but would give us some bite and would be ideal in the Championship if we do go down.
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Not being funny but why would Walters be a realistic target? He's playing regularly for Stoke so can't see why he'd be looking to play for another team, let alone one deep in a relegation scrap
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if we are as good as down in early jan who the fuck is going to want to come to us?
peter crouch? jesus wept
We could do worse than Crouch on loan until the end of the season. We desperately need someone who can hold the ball up and bring others into play.
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Walters has rejected a new contract at Stoke, holding out for a bigger last pay-day.
I heard he had signed a new deal
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Read in a paper today that Jedinak is now available on a free from Palace. Not the most technically gifted player, but would give us some bite and would be ideal in the Championship if we do go down.
Surprising as he was one of their better players last season.
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Said Jedinak a few weeks ago. Ugly player, but would be a perfect one for our current plight. Leader and genuine holding midfielder.
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If we're 10 points from safety come January you wonder whether Lerner will spin the wheel and have a real crack at staying up or accept our fate and start preparing for the new financial reality of the Championship.
Any players will be milking us on wages just to come, and thet'll be no world beaters amongst them. Do we risk fucking up next season on the very outside hope of staying up this?
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Another vote for Jedinak.
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when i read the names of most of those players i realise how far we have fallen, Lerner what have you done to us.
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Also, and I don't know if anyone's said this, with full beard and swashbuckle on Jedinak bears a striking resemblance to Sir Dennis Mortimer. He's got to be worth signing for that nostalgic reason alone. (If Veretout could then be persuaded to grow a complementary Bremneresque tache our midfield might really start to look the business...)
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Read in a paper today that Jedinak is now available on a free from Palace. Not the most technically gifted player, but would give us some bite and would be ideal in the Championship if we do go down.
How is he available on a free.........
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Mathieu Debuchy has admitted he will discuss his Arsenal future with Arsène Wenger before the January transfer window as he seeks regular first-team football before Euro 2016. “I really need to play. Didier Deschamps didn’t call me for the last two games, so it’s obvious, I’ve got to play more than I do, that’s why I want to talk to Wenger soon. I do have to accept it anyway, I can’t do otherwise. This situation doesn’t please me, but I have to accept it.” Debuchy added: “I need to have several games under my belt to be at the Euros. You can’t be in the French squad if you play a game once a month or less than that. You can’t be fit, and can’t be mentally focused. And if I have to leave permanently or on loan to play, I will.”
Asked whether he would consider a move to a Premier League club, Debuchy said: “I love England and the league so yes, of course. After that, if I have other offers …return to France? Why not? We’ll see.”
Maybe worth a go....needs game time, and motivated to get back in the French national team.
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I would also go for Jedinak.
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There may be a few players who aren't getting enough game time at their clubs who will be wanting to show their ability prior to the Euros. A 6 month loan would be ideal for them and could well be a boost for us.
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There may be a few players who aren't getting enough game time at their clubs who will be wanting to show their ability prior to the Euros. A 6 month loan would be ideal for them and could well be a boost for us.
that includes most of the Irish squad
Stephen Ward anyone,.....Mcgeady, Gibson, Wilson, Paul Green, Kevin Doyle even?
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no thanks
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I'd also be happy to sign Jedinak.
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There may be a few players who aren't getting enough game time at their clubs who will be wanting to show their ability prior to the Euros. A 6 month loan would be ideal for them and could well be a boost for us.
that includes most of the Irish squad
Stephen Ward anyone,.....Mcgeady, Gibson, Wilson, Paul Green, Kevin Doyle even?
I think that your post has demonstrated quite nicely that although it might be ideal for the Irish squad, the "boost for us" part of the plan is very much missing.
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There may be a few players who aren't getting enough game time at their clubs who will be wanting to show their ability prior to the Euros. A 6 month loan would be ideal for them and could well be a boost for us.
that includes most of the Irish squad
Stephen Ward anyone,.....Mcgeady, Gibson, Wilson, Paul Green, Kevin Doyle even?
I think that your post has demonstrated quite nicely that although it might be ideal for the Irish squad, the "boost for us" part of the plan is very much missing.
:D
I wouldnt be a Wilson fan but he is a useful utility player across the back with lots of EPL experience. Wouldnt be surprised to see Pulis go for him again.
McGeady - Im sure plenty of Everton fans would drive him to any prospective club in Jan. One of these players who threatened to be a good player for a time, we have enough of those in our squad. A useful short term option for clubs a few places below us chasing playoff positions, Ipswich maybe.
Gibson - has never recovered from doing his knee a couple of years ago playing for Ireland, his mobility was limited enough to begin with. His drink driving antics suggest he wasnt taking his recovery work all that seriously. Tidy passer but again maybe one for a club a few places below us to take a punt on.
Gibson's fellow Ulsterman, Kyle Lafferty. A player with plenty of talent but another with multiple off field issues.
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Mathieu Debuchy has admitted he will discuss his Arsenal future with Arsène Wenger before the January transfer window as he seeks regular first-team football before Euro 2016. “I really need to play. Didier Deschamps didn’t call me for the last two games, so it’s obvious, I’ve got to play more than I do, that’s why I want to talk to Wenger soon. I do have to accept it anyway, I can’t do otherwise. This situation doesn’t please me, but I have to accept it.” Debuchy added: “I need to have several games under my belt to be at the Euros. You can’t be in the French squad if you play a game once a month or less than that. You can’t be fit, and can’t be mentally focused. And if I have to leave permanently or on loan to play, I will.”
Asked whether he would consider a move to a Premier League club, Debuchy said: “I love England and the league so yes, of course. After that, if I have other offers …return to France? Why not? We’ll see.”
Maybe worth a go....needs game time, and motivated to get back in the French national team.
Definitely worth a go.
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Mail claims we've actually enquired about Ashley Cole.Thought Roma had released him.
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Jedinak would be decent. A physical presence to strengthen the spine and help offer extra protection for the back four.
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Yes Jedinak or Joe Ledley who dosen't seem to be playing much either would be o.k for me aswell.
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Given the Arsenal link I'd see if we could get Flamini or Arteta on a deal until the end of the season
How about Oviedo on loan? Also, Naismith on loan as he's not getting a look in at Everton.
Crouch has been mentioned and worth a shout as is Fletcher. Will score some goals and if the worst comes to the worst he'll score plenty in the championship.
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Given the Arsenal link I'd see if we could get Flamini or Arteta on a deal until the end of the season
Depending on how quickly Coquelin comes back from his injury, Flamini and Arteta could potentially be Arsenal's first choice midfield for much of the rest of the season.
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Arteta is always injured, he's injured now as well, till mid January I think.
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how many loans players can we have until End of season apart from the Liverpool defender. Just wondering. is it 2 ?
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I see the press are reporting that Garde has confirmed our interest in Ashley Cole. If he would come, I think he would be better than what we have there.
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Really? He's be to us what Rio Ferdinand was to QPR.
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how many loans players can we have until End of season apart from the Liverpool defender. Just wondering. is it 2 ?
We can only have two from PL clubs at any one time I believe - I think it is up to four from abroad though.
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It would be a chance for Ashley Cole to get his career back on track so it's a question of his attitude.
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Really? He's be to us what Rio Ferdinand was to QPR.
Ferdinand was completely shot fitness wise.
We need a short term solution at left back, and Cole is miles better than Bacuna or Richardson there.
Bring Cissokho back too from Porto and have some competition there.
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Lescott is our Rio.
Cole hasn't played for a long while so yes that is a worry but just look at his career, it's lightyears ahead of anything we've had at left back for ages.
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To be fair, with Scotlands finest ever right back on the other side, we would be sorted.
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Naismith is a decent shout.
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Cole also rumoured to be attracting interest from New York
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His game is fucked then.
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Struggling to focus too much on this window as there is a lot of football to be played until then, and if things go badly the window could be futile. However, if we are in touch I think Steven Naismith who is reportedly available would strengthen us, hard-working player who knows the league well and scores goals.
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we will be in the bottom three come the window probably bottom,
unfortunately this will affect the sort/type of player we will attract more than anything this time
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we will be in the bottom three come the window probably bottom,
unfortunately this will affect the sort/type of player we will attract more than anything this time
Unless Garde can pull of a masterstroke? Maybe a few short-term signings until the end of the season.
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Naismith is a decent shout.
Yes it is. I'm not sure what's gone at Everton for him. Martinez seemed to get the best out of him for a while but he's not getting a game now.
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Naismith is a decent shout.
Yes it is. I'm not sure what's gone at Everton for him. Martinez seemed to get the best out of him for a while but he's not getting a game now.
I don't think it's anything more strange than you're just not going to play him ahead of Lukaku, Deulofeu, Kone or Barkley.
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Naismith is a decent shout.
Not sure he is what we need, an occaisional goal scoring midfielder that is usefull but hardly dominant. Jedinak is more like it.
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Naismith is a decent shout.
everton are a bigger club than us, trying to break into the top 6 / 4.
why would he swap?
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Really? He's be to us what Rio Ferdinand was to QPR.
Ferdinand was completely shot fitness wise.
We need a short term solution at left back, and Cole is miles better than Bacuna or Richardson there.
Bring Cissokho back too from Porto and have some competition there.
Yep I agree, I think Cole will be a very useful addition. We just need to make sure we get to January where we're in a position that we have a realistic chance of survival.
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Naismith is a decent shout.
Yes it is. I'm not sure what's gone at Everton for him. Martinez seemed to get the best out of him for a while but he's not getting a game now.
I don't think it's anything more strange than you're just not going to play him ahead of Lukaku, Deulofeu, Kone or Barkley.
Good point.
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Really? He's be to us what Rio Ferdinand was to QPR.
Ferdinand was completely shot fitness wise.
We need a short term solution at left back, and Cole is miles better than Bacuna or Richardson there.
Bring Cissokho back too from Porto and have some competition there.
Yep I agree, I think Cole will be a very useful addition. We just need to make sure we get to January where we're in a position that we have a realistic chance of survival.
That'll be the Cole who was let go by Roma, partly because he couldn't adjust to Italian football, they pretty much gave up on him after 11-12 games.
I caught a couple of Roma games early last season and he was rinsed more thoroughly than Electrolux could have managed.
He might have more ability than Richardson, but he'll end up spending most of the game just as far away from his man because he'll never get near him.
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That'll be the Cole who was let go by Roma, partly because he couldn't adjust to Italian football, they pretty much gave up on him after 11-12 games.
and Fiorentina only gave Micah 10 games - he seems to be doing ok !
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That'll be the Cole who was let go by Roma, partly because he couldn't adjust to Italian football, they pretty much gave up on him after 11-12 games.
and Fiorentina only gave Micah 10 games - he seems to be doing ok !
I'd like to see Mica at centre defensive mid. Play Joleen & Okore at the back, Hutton left bk, Bacuna right back.
That way Mica can travel forward with the ball & he's also good at passing the ball too.
Thoughts?
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That'll be the Cole who was let go by Roma, partly because he couldn't adjust to Italian football, they pretty much gave up on him after 11-12 games.
and Fiorentina only gave Micah 10 games - he seems to be doing ok !
He's certainly tightened up our defence.
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Naismith is a decent shout.
Not sure he is what we need, an occaisional goal scoring midfielder that is usefull but hardly dominant. Jedinak is more like it.
He will not leave Palace now.
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That'll be the Cole who was let go by Roma, partly because he couldn't adjust to Italian football, they pretty much gave up on him after 11-12 games.
and Fiorentina only gave Micah 10 games - he seems to be doing ok !
Richards was dropped because the new coach wanted to play with 3 at the back and didn't think he was a good enough centre back to play there. He's average as a centre back but very good as a right back.
As an aside, I'd lay a few of our goals at Richard's door as he's too easily pulled out of position or vulnerable to someone running off him inside.
Cole was dropped for a 30 year old who was struggling to get a game with Olympiakos.
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how old is Cole now ; 34ish? sort of pensionable in football terms and I think he'd view the Villa as the equivalent of one in his dotage.
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He's better than Kieran Richardson.
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That'll be the Cole who was let go by Roma, partly because he couldn't adjust to Italian football, they pretty much gave up on him after 11-12 games.
and Fiorentina only gave Micah 10 games - he seems to be doing ok !
I'd like to see Mica at centre defensive mid. Play Joleen & Okore at the back, Hutton left bk, Bacuna right back.
That way Mica can travel forward with the ball & he's also good at passing the ball too.
Thoughts?
who is mica and aint you got anything better to do
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We need to loan as many as we're allowed. The kinds of players that we need won't sign in our current situation unless they're currently playing at a significantly lower standard and therefore will be a massive gamble or at least need time that we don't have to settle. Unless there's anyone good left in Scotland. They'd come and would probably settle, Maloney notwithstanding.
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He's better than Kieran Richardson.
We are all better than Kieran Richardson.
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He's better than Kieran Richardson.
We are all better than Kieran Richardson.
f me Cheryl Cole is better than Kieran Richardson
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Really? He's be to us what Rio Ferdinand was to QPR.
To be fair Rio Ferdinand had more important things going on in his life last season, do not think this is a fair comparison in the slightest. Anyone who doesn't think Cole is good enough for us at this time is wrong, I would think. What I would think is he will have far more exciting offers than us
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Cole's a difficult one. Has his speed gone? Having played bugger-all for over a year what's his fitness like? What's his attitude like at the butt-end of a pretty stellar career?
On the other hand he's been one of the best defenders in the world and arguably the best in his position for much of his career. Could be the perfect stop-gap, could be Robert Pires.
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Do we know if Roma have been telling him to stay away completely, or is it more of a bomb squad arrangement where he turns up and trains but has no chance at getting a game?
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http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/aug/14/ashley-cole-roma-left-out-squad
He's no longer with them. He's a free agent apparently.
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If he is unattached, he could come and get fit with Villa now. Can also sign and play straight away if needed to. Not sure why we would have to wait til January if he's a free agent?
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If he is unattached, he could come and get fit with Villa now. Can also sign and play straight away if needed to. Not sure why we would have to wait til January if he's a free agent?
Isn't it something to do with not being a free agent at the close of the last window? I think the topic got broached during the Adebayor saga.
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If he is unattached, he could come and get fit with Villa now. Can also sign and play straight away if needed to. Not sure why we would have to wait til January if he's a free agent?
Isn't it something to do with not being a free agent at the close of the last window? I think the topic got broached during the Adebayor saga.
I think there's also a bit of dispute about whether he actually has been released. He's not listed in their squad, but on his various social media things he describes himself as "Footballer for @OfficialASRoma"
So he still thinks that's who he plays for.
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personally i wouldnt touch cole as if he did come it would be to feather his pension pot
we need to be looking longer term, try kinsella or llori
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Why is the assumption that any player over 30 would only be after the money? I'm sure he could go to America or an Arab nation if that's his only concern.
And do we think that our young signings don't think quite a lot about what sort of cash we'll be paying before deciding whether to sign?
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If he is unattached, he could come and get fit with Villa now. Can also sign and play straight away if needed to. Not sure why we would have to wait til January if he's a free agent?
Isn't it something to do with not being a free agent at the close of the last window? I think the topic got broached during the Adebayor saga.
I think there's also a bit of dispute about whether he actually has been released. He's not listed in their squad, but on his various social media things he describes himself as "Footballer for @OfficialASRoma"
So he still thinks that's who he plays for.
Or can't be arsed to update his facespace etc.
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Signing Cole would be another stab in the dark. He may help perk up the dressing room, beyond that I just seen him as another who will be behind the pace, and a shadow of his former self. Think we may need a core of experience players who are still at a reasonably young age and could give us a couple of good years too.
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He was quite comfortably the best let back in the world. His shadow is ten times the player of Richardson or Bacuna.
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As long has his shadow hasnt fattened-up too much.
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As long has his shadow hasnt fattened-up too much.
He certainly didn't look fat in the recent charity game at Old Trafford. His intelligence and leadership, let alone his ability is head and shoulders above what we have available now. He's more than good enough for this season.
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He was quite comfortably the best let back in the world. His shadow is ten times the player of Richardson or Bacuna.
Agree. If we can get Cole we should.
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January targets for me would be:
1. Score some goals
2. Stop conceding goals
3. Win some games.
😜
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January targets for me would be:
1. Score some goals
2. Stop conceding goals
3. Win some games.
😜
Is that realistic though?
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January targets for me would be:
1. Score some goals
2. Stop conceding goals
3. Win some games.
😜
Is that realistic though?
Yes, why not?
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January targets for me would be:
1. Score some goals
2. Stop conceding goals
3. Win some games.
😜
Is that realistic though?
I think sort out 1 and 2 then we get 3 sorted & climb out the relegation zone.
Realistic or pipe dream I have no idea!
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Prejudice Nakouma Nigerian?' Plays for Mersinspor in Turkey. The new Benteke.. Some ought to.point this large forward, creative force, ard out to Garde.
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Sacking another manager isn't the answer. Garde was the wrong appointment, but that's not his fault and its getting to the stage now that we just have to stick with what we have and stick it out. The hope is that we get a few key players in to make a difference in Jan, but its going to be hard to attract much quality.
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Is anyone actually suggesting that he should be sacked? It's also way too early to make a definitive judgement on whether he's been a good appointment or not.
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I can't see anyone on this page suggesting that Remi be placed on Garde-ning Leave. Has someone misread Brian Taylor's post or have I missed a post somewhere?
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Sacking Garde is precisely the opposite of everything we should be doing. He needs to be backed, he needs to be able to implement a sustainable playing style and system throughout the club. If that includes relegation so be it, because this problem might take longer to fix than the time he has to keep us up.
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January targets for me would be:
1. Score some goals
2. Stop conceding goals
3. Win some games.
😜
Is that realistic though?
Yes, why not?
Had a gander at the league table recently?
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January targets for me would be:
1. Score some goals
2. Stop conceding goals
3. Win some games.
😜
Is that realistic though?
Yes, why not?
Had a gander at the league table recently?
Yep, and it's not good but other teams didn't give up, why should we?
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January targets for me would be:
1. Score some goals
2. Stop conceding goals
3. Win some games.
😜
Is that realistic though?
Yes, why not?
Had a gander at the league table recently?
Yep, and it's not good but other teams didn't give up, why should we?
Its not giving up but whilst you rely on faith and hope I think the pure plain cold facts suggest winning 5 out of 10 looks well beyond us. That, is the plain and simple, "why not".
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January targets for me would be:
1. Score some goals
2. Stop conceding goals
3. Win some games.
😜
Is that realistic though?
Yes, why not?
Had a gander at the league table recently?
Yep, and it's not good but other teams didn't give up, why should we?
Its not giving up but whilst you rely on faith and hope I think the pure plain cold facts suggest winning 5 out of 10 looks well beyond us. That, is the plain and simple, "why not".
Maybe it does, but it could still happen. It's about having belief. You may not have any, but some of us still have.
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Sack Garde? We're on a run of 2 pts from 4 games under him, which this season is a good run for us.
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We're two Saturdays unbeaten.
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Sacking Garde is precisely the opposite of everything we should be doing. He needs to be backed, he needs to be able to implement a sustainable playing style and system throughout the club. If that includes relegation so be it, because this problem might take longer to fix than the time he has to keep us up.
Voice of reason.
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January targets for me would be:
1. Score some goals
2. Stop conceding goals
3. Win some games.
😜
Is that realistic though?
Yes, why not?
Had a gander at the league table recently?
Yep, and it's not good but other teams didn't give up, why should we?
Its not giving up but whilst you rely on faith and hope I think the pure plain cold facts suggest winning 5 out of 10 looks well beyond us. That, is the plain and simple, "why not".
Maybe it does, but it could still happen. It's about having belief. You may not have any, but some of us still have.
Sadly the players don't
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The Age of Reason, The Reprieve, Iron in the Soul.
Essential reading when I was a yoot in the years Before Xbox. In the original French, if you were a playah.
What if you reached the age of reason
Only to find there was no reprieve
Would you still be a man for all seasons?
Or would you just have to leave
We measure our days out
In steps of uncertainty
Not turning to see how we've come
And peer down the highway
From here to eternity
And reach out for love on the run
While the man for all seasons
Is lost behind the sun
Henry Plantagenet still looks for someone
To bring good news in his hour of doubt
While Thomas More waits in the Tower of London
Watching the sands running out
And measures the hours out
From here to oblivion
In actions that can't be undone
A sailor through the darkness
He scans the meridian
And caught by the first rays of dawn
The man for all seasons
Is lost beneath the storm
And I should know by now
I should know by now
I hear them call it out all around
Oh, they go
There's nothing to believe in
Hear them,
Just daydreams, deceiving
They'll just let you down
What if you reached the age of reason
Only to find there was no reprieve
Would you still be a man for all seasons?
Or would you just disbelieve?
We measure our gains out in luck and coincidence
Lanterns to turn back the night
And put our defeats down to chance or experience
And try once again for the light
Some wait for the waters of fortune to cover them
Some just see the tides of ill chance running over them
Some call on Jehovah
Some cry out to Allah
Some wait for the boats that still row to Valhallah
Well, you should try to accept what the fates are unfolding
While some say they're sure where the blame should be falling
You look round for maybe a chance of forestalling
Bot too soon its over and done
And the man for all seasons
Is lost behind the sun
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lovely, but a tad melodramatic. It's only football.
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And these days business. Sadly.
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Still want Salvatore sirigu signed in january and claudio Beauvue, want to see this line up in new year
Sirigu
Richards Okore Lescott Clark
Gil Sanchez Veretout Ayew
Beauvue Grealish
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I think our January targets will depend on how we do over the next couple of games. For example, this weekend Chelsea paly Sunderland and Man utd host Norwich. You would bank on the two home sides winning. If we can manage to win at Newcaslte, that will put us three points of Sunderland and not far off Norwich. It would be dream world to think we can start to gain momentum and put some real pressure on the teams ahead.
What better way to do that and show a statement of intent by getting a striker with real pedigree?
Alexandre Lacazette springs to mind. Offer him a contract with a low release clause if we get relegated, pair him with Charlie Austin and we might start to look a decent side again. Another fantastic addition would be Mark Heaton from Burnley. He might be persuaded now Burnley have lost a bit of momentum. I'd even be tempted to bring in NRC on a short-term loan from the MLS to add a bit of steel to the midfield.
Who knows, three very good signings could be the catalyst for our great escape. IF we can produce the three wins before the window opens.
(I'll wake up now).
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trouble is, we've only produced one league win since August - conjuring up three in less than three weeks is as likely as me finding Ola Jordan on my doorstep stark naked begging for a blow job
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I will send her over.
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trouble is, we've only produced one league win since August - conjuring up three in less than three weeks is as likely as me finding Ola Jordan on my doorstep stark naked begging for a blow job
I know. I'll be at Newcastle on Saturday so I'm trying to gee myself up. It's the hope that kills you, isn't it.
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trouble is, we've only produced one league win since August - conjuring up three in less than three weeks is as likely as me finding Ola Jordan on my doorstep stark naked begging for a blow job
She's on her way once she's brushed her teeth. I'd say 5/10.
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Start plucking players from the Championship in preparation for next season would be my plan.
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I think that would be sensible if we don't garner points between now and 1/1/16. Prepared indeed.
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trouble is, we've only produced one league win since August - conjuring up three in less than three weeks is as likely as me finding Ola Jordan on my doorstep stark naked begging for a blow job
She's on her way once she's brushed her teeth. I'd say 5/10.
Len would give her seveeeern
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trouble is, we've only produced one league win since August - conjuring up three in less than three weeks is as likely as me finding Ola Jordan on my doorstep stark naked begging for a blow job
Get with the program she is fingerblasting outside the tesco express as we speak.
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I think our January targets will depend on how we do over the next couple of games. For example, this weekend Chelsea paly Sunderland and Man utd host Norwich. You would bank on the two home sides winning. If we can manage to win at Newcaslte, that will put us three points of Sunderland and not far off Norwich. It would be dream world to think we can start to gain momentum and put some real pressure on the teams ahead.
What better way to do that and show a statement of intent by getting a striker with real pedigree?
Alexandre Lacazette springs to mind. Offer him a contract with a low release clause if we get relegated, pair him with Charlie Austin and we might start to look a decent side again. Another fantastic addition would be Mark Heaton from Burnley. He might be persuaded now Burnley have lost a bit of momentum. I'd even be tempted to bring in NRC on a short-term loan from the MLS to add a bit of steel to the midfield.
Who knows, three very good signings could be the catalyst for our great escape. IF we can produce the three wins before the window opens.
(I'll wake up now).
Reo Coker? Are you Si off the WM phone in?
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trouble is, we've only produced one league win since August - conjuring up three in less than three weeks is as likely as me finding Ola Jordan on my doorstep stark naked begging for a blow job
Get with the program she is fingerblasting outside the tesco express as we speak.
Poetry
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I think our January targets will depend on how we do over the next couple of games. For example, this weekend Chelsea paly Sunderland and Man utd host Norwich. You would bank on the two home sides winning. If we can manage to win at Newcaslte, that will put us three points of Sunderland and not far off Norwich. It would be dream world to think we can start to gain momentum and put some real pressure on the teams ahead.
What better way to do that and show a statement of intent by getting a striker with real pedigree?
Alexandre Lacazette springs to mind. Offer him a contract with a low release clause if we get relegated, pair him with Charlie Austin and we might start to look a decent side again. Another fantastic addition would be Mark Heaton from Burnley. He might be persuaded now Burnley have lost a bit of momentum. I'd even be tempted to bring in NRC on a short-term loan from the MLS to add a bit of steel to the midfield.
Who knows, three very good signings could be the catalyst for our great escape. IF we can produce the three wins before the window opens.
(I'll wake up now).
Reo Coker? Are you Si off the WM phone in?
I've heard about him! RE Reo-Coker, I was thinking about our budget, the players we'd be able to attract with experience. He came to mind, and I think I'd have him in our Midfield above Gana. He's also experienced a relegation battle at West Ham and might provide decent leadership qualities - another thing that our midfield misses.
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I discovered yesterday that Roma fans refer to Ashley Cole as Ahahahahahahahshley Cole.
'Ah ah' is the Italian equivalent of 'Ha ha'.
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fits like a glove with us then
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I discovered yesterday that Roma fans refer to Ashley Cole as Ahahahahahahahshley Cole.
'Ah ah' is the Italian equivalent of 'Ha ha'.
Kind of reads well in English too ;)
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Matt Phillips and Austin both looked decent for QPR tonight. How on earth they were not on our list to get last summer is still beyond me.
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Matt Phillips and Austin both looked decent for QPR tonight. How on earth they were not on our list to get last summer is still beyond me.
Agreed!
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Matt Phillips and Austin both looked decent for QPR tonight. How on earth they were not on our list to get last summer is still beyond me.
I was dubious as to whether Austin would prove to be a bit of a one season at the top level, but he's just carried on regardless in a team that's not exactly been setting the world alight and apparently hasn't been fully fit for most of the season from what little Championship coverage there is over here.
Phillips looked like one of the best right sided players in the top flight last season, which was no mean feat in a team that looked even worse than we did. I'd have ripped your arm off if we'd been in with a chance of signing him.
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Matt Phillips and Austin both looked decent for QPR tonight. How on earth they were not on our list to get last summer is still beyond me.
I was dubious as to whether Austin would prove to be a bit of a one season at the top level, but he's just carried on regardless in a team that's not exactly been setting the world alight and apparently hasn't been fully fit for most of the season from what little Championship coverage there is over here.
Phillips looked like one of the best right sided players in the top flight last season, which was no mean feat in a team that looked even worse than we did. I'd have ripped your arm off if we'd been in with a chance of signing him.
Austin has scored over 17 goals for the last five consecutive seasons. We need to be in for him in January.
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He has 6 months left on his contract. Get him in on loan, it would help him be back in th PL and U.S., but without a longer term commitment from both parties.
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He has 6 months left on his contract. Get him in on loan, it would help him be back in th PL and U.S., but without a longer term commitment from both parties.
Why on earth would QPR agree to that?
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Quite. I think that ship has sailed anyway now. He will get a move to a mid table side.
Can't say this Belgian we are being linked to inspires me with much confidences
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there's only one Belgian I want us to be linked with - the return of the beast!!
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This one is known as the beast apparently. Looks like an expensive Kozak to me
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It's probably about time that we had the usual transfer window thread, and as this is as good as any.
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He has 6 months left on his contract. Get him in on loan, it would help him be back in th PL and U.S., but without a longer term commitment from both parties.
Why on earth would QPR agree to that?
Not only that by why the fucking hell would he want to come!
We are a poison chalice at the moment, who do people honestly think we are going to attract in January, given that would could be as good as down by 2nd Jan?
Shall I go to the shit and likely to be relegated Aston Villa in January or keep on doing what I'm doing for another 4/5 months and then decide?
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He said in the summer he had no interest in leaving QPR to join another club in a relegation fight and was better off staying at the club (or words to that effect), we might as well go for Messi and Neymar as well.
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VP would be perfect for those two - a quiet backwater away from the glare of international publicity and intrusiveness.
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Francesco Toldo is saying in the Italian press that Italy's No 2 keeper Salvatore Sirigu needs to play every week before the euro's, it is understood that scouts from Aston Villa and Newcastle will be watching Siragu at PSG's game with St etienne tonight,
If ever a deal needs doing this is it, just loan him till the end of the season, Please!?
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there's only one Belgian I want us to be linked with - the return of the beast!!
I think we should offer them £20 million as that is what they thought he was worth.
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Francesco Toldo is saying in the Italian press that Italy's No 2 keeper Salvatore Sirigu needs to play every week before the euro's, it is understood that scouts from Aston Villa and Newcastle will be watching Siragu at PSG's game with St etienne tonight,
Hmm.
Sirigu needs to move because he isn't playing matches for PSG (one game this season, back in October).
Therefore Newcastle and us are going to send scouts to watch a PSG match.
There's definitely a flaw in this plan somewhere.
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He said in the summer he had no interest in leaving QPR to join another club in a relegation fight and was better off staying at the club (or words to that effect), we might as well go for Messi and Neymar as well.
I think most players at Championship sides in with a chance of going up will be thinking that. Similarly players at clubs who are higher than us in the league will be put off as well. We'll be looking at players from abroad or loaning players who are not getting any game time.
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Francesco Toldo is saying in the Italian press that Italy's No 2 keeper Salvatore Sirigu needs to play every week before the euro's, it is understood that scouts from Aston Villa and Newcastle will be watching Siragu at PSG's game with St etienne tonight,
Hmm.
Sirigu needs to move because he isn't playing matches for PSG (one game this season, back in October).
Therefore Newcastle and us are going to send scouts to watch a PSG match.
There's definitely a flaw in this plan somewhere.
I believe it's the league cup so he could be playing.
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Galatasary goalie is terrific..stopped 4/5 certainties against Besiktas other night. Besiktas won 2-1. Montaser or something similar. Get him. Brave guy.
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Fernando Muslera. Uruguay's goalkeeper.
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He has 6 months left on his contract. Get him in on loan, it would help him be back in th PL and U.S., but without a longer term commitment from both parties.
Why on earth would QPR agree to that?
Not only that by why the fucking hell would he want to come!
We are a poison chalice at the moment, who do people honestly think we are going to attract in January, given that would could be as good as down by 2nd Jan?
Shall I go to the shit and likely to be relegated Aston Villa in January or keep on doing what I'm doing for another 4/5 months and then decide?
That's the spirit.
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Austin is going to get much better offers.
We need a hail mary up front, a winger that can chip in goals and a striker that can score them. I still reckon the shout of Crouch is not a bad one for his hold up play allowing others to actually get hold of the ball higher up the pitch.
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Austin is going to get much better offers.
We need a hail mary up front, a winger that can chip in goals and a striker that can score them. I still reckon the shout of Crouch is not a bad one for his hold up play allowing others to actually get hold of the ball higher up the pitch.
A player we got rid of way too soon and has done it pretty much wherever he has been including at international level. Older head now, might even teach Gestede a thing or two. I think we still need a predatory forward so Austin or Austin type is required. We need a presence in the midfield, a new CB and certainly a GK who will instill confidence. Throw in Cole if we can convince him to join until the end of the season and we might have a chance.
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He has 6 months left on his contract. Get him in on loan, it would help him be back in th PL and U.S., but without a longer term commitment from both parties.
Why on earth would QPR agree to that?
Not only that by why the fucking hell would he want to come!
We are a poison chalice at the moment, who do people honestly think we are going to attract in January, given that would could be as good as down by 2nd Jan?
Shall I go to the shit and likely to be relegated Aston Villa in January or keep on doing what I'm doing for another 4/5 months and then decide?
That's the spirit.
ok then we are going to spend 50 million in the window and everything will be fine
is that better?
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He has 6 months left on his contract. Get him in on loan, it would help him be back in th PL and U.S., but without a longer term commitment from both parties.
Why on earth would QPR agree to that?
Not only that by why the fucking hell would he want to come!
We are a poison chalice at the moment, who do people honestly think we are going to attract in January, given that would could be as good as down by 2nd Jan?
Shall I go to the shit and likely to be relegated Aston Villa in January or keep on doing what I'm doing for another 4/5 months and then decide?
That's the spirit.
ok then we are going to spend 50 million in the window and everything will be fine
is that better?
Well, it's a bit more positive than normal, yes.
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and deluded
we are in the middle of the worst losing streak in our history, have gone half a season without a win at home, are 9 points from safety and have taken 34 points from 50 games
and we are going to attract players?
there is optimism and blind faith
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Francesco Toldo is saying in the Italian press that Italy's No 2 keeper Salvatore Sirigu needs to play every week before the euro's, it is understood that scouts from Aston Villa and Newcastle will be watching Siragu at PSG's game with St etienne tonight,
Hmm.
Sirigu needs to move because he isn't playing matches for PSG (one game this season, back in October).
Therefore Newcastle and us are going to send scouts to watch a PSG match.
There's definitely a flaw in this plan somewhere.
I believe it's the league cup so he could be playing.
Italian press now saying Sirigu was watched last night and kept a clean sheet Aston Villa expected to make a £6 million bid to take the Italian no2 keeper to Villa Park.
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Are you telling me we are going to sign Clapton,Winwood and Ginger Baker. Mind you Mr Baker would put the fear of God into our defence!
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We need any new signings to be in place by 00:01am on January 1st.
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even that might be too late
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Italian press now saying Sirigu was watched last night and kept a clean sheet Aston Villa expected to make a £6 million bid to take the Italian no2 keeper to Villa Park.
I was going to ask why he'd want to go to a relegation bound club. However, if he wants plenty of action in order to show the Italian coach how good he is, Villa is the club to join.
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We're still Aston Villa. We still are hanging onto that bit of class.
Players will join for a variety of reasons. Money being No 1 obviously.
Sirigu would be a class way to start.
I believe a lot of our problems go back to not getting Begovic, then basically making no attempt for any other No 1 keeper.
To go into a Premier Season with only one keeper of note was a disaster waiting to happen.
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We need any new signings to be in place by 00:01am on January 1st.
No, it needs to be by 00:00:01 am on 1st January or we are definitely doomed.
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Laurent depoitre in the telegraph reported
Apologies if been mentioned
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We need any new signings to be in place by 00:01am on January 1st.
No, it needs to be by 00:00:01 am on 1st January or we are definitely doomed.
Ahaa...I see a Phileas Fogg type of saving grace here. If we sign European players then we have an extra 59 minutes 59 seconds to meet 00:00:01 deadline. So maybe we are not doomed!
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Italian press now saying Sirigu was watched last night and kept a clean sheet Aston Villa expected to make a £6 million bid to take the Italian no2 keeper to Villa Park.
I was going to ask why he'd want to go to a relegation bound club. However, if he wants plenty of action in order to show the Italian coach how good he is, Villa is the club to join.
Yes and 40K a week will keep his hands warm.
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He said in the summer he had no interest in leaving QPR to join another club in a relegation fight and was better off staying at the club (or words to that effect), we might as well go for Messi and Neymar as well.
He should know we are NOT in a relegation fight.
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Francesco Toldo is saying in the Italian press that Italy's No 2 keeper Salvatore Sirigu needs to play every week before the euro's, it is understood that scouts from Aston Villa and Newcastle will be watching Siragu at PSG's game with St etienne tonight,
Hmm.
Sirigu needs to move because he isn't playing matches for PSG (one game this season, back in October).
Therefore Newcastle and us are going to send scouts to watch a PSG match.
There's definitely a flaw in this plan somewhere.
We are going to assess how he conducts himself on the bench....My Lord!
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He has 6 months left on his contract. Get him in on loan, it would help him be back in th PL and U.S., but without a longer term commitment from both parties.
Why on earth would QPR agree to that?
Oh you mean there is a third party involved...bugger that fecks it otherwise I was going to say because we will use our clever negotiating tactics to blind him into submission!
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I was with you up until this point.
I'd even be tempted to bring in NRC on a short-term loan from the MLS to add a bit of steel to the midfield.
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Italian press now saying Sirigu was watched last night and kept a clean sheet Aston Villa expected to make a £6 million bid to take the Italian no2 keeper to Villa Park.
I was going to ask why he'd want to go to a relegation bound club. However, if he wants plenty of action in order to show the Italian coach how good he is, Villa is the club to join.
Chuckle... But I can certainly see Brad being a back up keeper sometime in January whether it is this Italian bloke or not
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What a legend this Belgian lad could be if he comes in and keeps us up with 15 goals for the second half of the season.
Literally that is the only chance we have of staying up.
So with our past recruitment I will just assume I will see everyone at the Ricoh next season when them clowns get promoted
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'Sports Witness' reckons Cissokho's return has all been agreed
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Not entirely surprising. He's better than what we have which isn't saying much I grant you.
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Cissokho is toss, but compared to Kieron Richardson it's like signing Roberto Carlos.
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Cissokho is absolute dog shit going forward, he really does my nut in and was one of the main reasons we didn't score many goals with him in the team. Defensively... he's not the worst though, just don't let him go any further than the half-way line.
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I'll take Cissokho over what we have at the moment.
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Cissokho is absolute dog shit going forward, he really does my nut in and was one of the main reasons we didn't score many goals with him in the team. Defensively... he's not the worst though, just don't let him go any further than the half-way line.
Yep. Play a wide player in front of him and just tell Cissokho to give him the ball. Ditto Richards on the other side and concentrate on having a solid back four.
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We're still Aston Villa. We still are hanging onto that bit of class.
Players will join for a variety of reasons. Money being No 1 obviously.
Sirigu would be a class way to start.
I believe a lot of our problems go back to not getting Begovic, then basically making no attempt for any other No 1 keeper.
To go into a Premier Season with only one keeper of note was a disaster waiting to happen.
Yep. Sherwood obviously decided Guzan wasn't good enough last season and replaced him with Given, yet was in a position where Guzan started the season as number one choice again.
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We're still Aston Villa. We still are hanging onto that bit of class.
Players will join for a variety of reasons. Money being No 1 obviously.
Sirigu would be a class way to start.
I believe a lot of our problems go back to not getting Begovic, then basically making no attempt for any other No 1 keeper.
To go into a Premier Season with only one keeper of note was a disaster waiting to happen.
Yep. Sherwood obviously decided Guzan wasn't good enough last season and replaced him with Given, yet was in a position where Guzan started the season as number one choice again.
Also not getting Cambiasso and then making no attempt to sign another decent experienced holding mid.
Also not getting Adebayor and making no attempt to sign another decent experienced goalscoring striker (loan bid for Gayle on deadline day doesn't really count).
The weaknesses were identified but once the no. 1 targets were missed there was no back up plan. Add to this Lescott being a poor, cheap, ageing replacement for Vlaar, signing a top left back only for him to get injured, signing a decent right back but playing him at centre half and filling out the squad with unproven low level cheap/loan players like Ilori, Crespo, Sarkic and Bunn and further long term injuries/mystifying disappearances for Okore, Kozak, Gardner etc. and it's no surprise we're struggling.
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In fairness Begovic, Cambiasso and Adebayor had they come, and we would probably a lot better off. Not having any alternatives lined up for them was pretty poor.
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I'll take Cissokho over what we have at the moment.
Porto allowed him to miss training today so he could take care of 'personal business'. They don't want him. He's made 3 appearances since he went on loan. Two of those were before they signed a proper left back. The other was in a Mickey Mouse Cup game.
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Why did they take him then?
In fairness, he is much more solid defensively than anyone else we have fit, so worth getting back.
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I'll take Cissokho over what we have at the moment.
Porto allowed him to miss training today so he could take care of 'personal business'. They don't want him. He's made 3 appearances since he went on loan. Two of those were before they signed a proper left back. The other was in a Mickey Mouse Cup game.
If you look at his record for us, it's not that bad at all
http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=51175&season_id=144
only against Everton, Chelsea and Arsenal did we concede more than 2
in 27 games we had 7 wins and 7 draws. We also only lost 7 times to teams outside of the top 4
Not saying he's a world beater or anything, but a decent record. Especially compared to Gils 19 appearances and only 1 victory (to Notts county) haha ;)
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Scary statistic about Gil that!
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Just because something correlates, it doesn't mean that one is the cause of the other.
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Cissokho is shit but he's not as shit as the dross we have at left back at the moment.
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Just because something correlates, it doesn't mean that one is the cause of the other.
You sound a laugh, i'm not saying he's the reason for us masterminding the anfield victory, just thought it was worth mentioning that we didn't actually do badly with him in the side
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Gil must have more than one win - Bournemouth in the FA Cup last season
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Gil must have more than one win - Bournemouth in the FA Cup last season
Oh yeah forgot about that one
still 16 league apps 0 wins
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He played against the Bitters in the cup as well, even if it was just a few mins it still counts as his sub appearances when we haven't won counted.
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Scary statistic about Gil that!
Not really. (a) because it's made up, and (b) because it's no more relevant or incisive than Gareth Bale going dozens of games for Spurs without winning.
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He said in the summer he had no interest in leaving QPR to join another club in a relegation fight and was better off staying at the club (or words to that effect), we might as well go for Messi and Neymar as well.
Maybe so but I also think he expected QPR to be closer to the promotion places. As it stands who would he prefer in a week or so, or expect to be back in the Prem with, if its a choice between a doomed Villa or a mid-table Championship QPR?
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And (c), we're shite. Any Villa player's win ratio is going to look poor considering we never win.
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He said in the summer he had no interest in leaving QPR to join another club in a relegation fight and was better off staying at the club (or words to that effect), we might as well go for Messi and Neymar as well.
Maybe so but I also think he expected QPR to be closer to the promotion places. As it stands who would he prefer in a week or so, or expect to be back in the Prem with, if its a choice between a doomed Villa or a mid-table Championship QPR?
He's out of contract in the Summer so I expect he'll wait to see if he gets a better offer than a choice between two Division Two teams.
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I do hope we move Gil on he is rather poor. Get a defensive midfielder in who can get the ball dictate the pace of play, and also get a foot in.
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I do hope we move Gil on he is rather poor.
And our most creative player.
Still, it's not like we need to score more goals or anything.
Maybe get Lee Cattermole in instead?
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I do hope we move Gil on he is rather poor. Get a defensive midfielder in who can get the ball dictate the pace of play, and also get a foot in.
Gil isn't poor. He's one of our only players who wants the ball. The problem is we stick him out on the wing rather than the #10 position as I like to call it.
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Gil is our most creative player? And with that sentence it is clear to see why we are going down.
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Gil is our most creative player? And with that sentence it is clear to see why we are going down.
It's probably more to do with a shit manager who kindly wrote off the first quarter of the season for us.
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Gil is our most creative player? And with that sentence it is clear to see why we are going down.
It's probably more to do with a shit manager who kindly wrote off the first quarter of the season for us.
Our most creative player's stats correct to some point in the last week or two:
Position Apps Goals Assists Rating
Sub (Substitute) 5 0 0 6.21
FWR (Forward - Right) 3 0 0 6.52
AMR (Attacking Midfielder - Right) 2 1 0 7.4
MR (Midfielder - Right) 1 0 0 6.37
Again, no wonder we're going down. He is lightweight, drifts in and out of games, isn't quick enough on the ball, and shows the odd moment of ability sporadically. He wouldn't shine in the Championship.
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I agree Pete he is lightweight and too easily knocked off the ball but there are other players who i would want to see gone before him. I like the way Garde is saying it straight, commit to the cause or leave.
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I do hope we move Gil on he is rather poor. Get a defensive midfielder in who can get the ball dictate the pace of play, and also get a foot in.
Gil isn't poor. He's one of our only players who wants the ball. The problem is we stick him out on the wing rather than the #10 position as I like to call it.
Well 3 managers have seen him now and none of them seemed to think that was his position.
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I agree Pete he is lightweight and too easily knocked off the ball but there are other players who i would want to see gone before him. I like the way Garde is saying it straight, commit to the cause or leave.
Without doubt Robbo. The list is long. That Gil is on it doesn't mean he is the only problem, just one of many.
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I do hope we move Gil on he is rather poor. Get a defensive midfielder in who can get the ball dictate the pace of play, and also get a foot in.
Gil isn't poor. He's one of our only players who wants the ball. The problem is we stick him out on the wing rather than the #10 position as I like to call it.
Well 3 managers have seen him now and none of them seemed to think that was his position.
Lambert signed him as a #10, I think the signing of Gil gave us the "as I like to call them" quote. Sherwood never liked Gil, that much is clear. Garde has been here for 5 minutes, I have faith in him to figure it out.
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Gil must have more than one win - Bournemouth in the FA Cup last season
Oh yeah forgot about that one
still 16 league apps 0 wins
You could apply that to the whole first team since August.
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His stats still don't bear that out:
Season Team Tournament Apps Mins Goals Assists
2015/2016 Aston Villa EPL 6(5) 534 1 -
2014/2015 Valencia SLL 2(6) 267 1 1
2014/2015 Aston Villa EPL 4(1) 359 - 1
2013/2014 Elche SLL 29(3) 2532 1 3
Total / Average 56 3692 3 5
It's not why anything thinks he's a number 10 that puzzles me but what was seen to justify his signing.
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We've been crying out for someone to play in behind the striker for ages. Gil was a smart signing, let's not pretend otherwise.
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He'd not long turned 22 when we signed him, maybe they thought there was more to come from a young player?
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There are players that we virtually gave away performing quite well at other clubs, just saying like.
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i like gil but for me too lightweight, too slow and too predictable
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i like gil but for me too lightweight, too slow and too predictable
So why do you like him then?.
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Gil is our most creative player? And with that sentence it is clear to see why we are going down.
It's probably more to do with a shit manager who kindly wrote off the first quarter of the season for us.
I'm with Peter. He has skill, but his all round game is woefully inadequate, in a team that is already woefully inadequate.
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A goalkeeper would be the first position I would like to see filled.
A tough tackling box to box midfielder who knows we're the net is next and a left back ( on loan from the Arsenal no doubt)
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i like gil but for me too lightweight, too slow and too predictable
So why do you like him then?.
He has nice hair.
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i like gil but for me too lightweight, too slow and too predictable
So why do you like him then?.
He has nice hair.
He makes a lovely cup of tea.
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i like gil but for me too lightweight, too slow and too predictable
So why do you like him then?.
He has nice hair.
He makes a lovely cup of tea.
He knows Renee and Renato and/or members of Ned's Atomic Dustbin.
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i like gil but for me too lightweight, too slow and too predictable
So why do you like him then?.
Because if he had decent players around him who moved off the ball and made decent runs he would be fine and would thrive but with our options at the moment it's a case of we signed him at the wrong time.
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He said in the summer he had no interest in leaving QPR to join another club in a relegation fight and was better off staying at the club (or words to that effect), we might as well go for Messi and Neymar as well.
Maybe so but I also think he expected QPR to be closer to the promotion places. As it stands who would he prefer in a week or so, or expect to be back in the Prem with, if its a choice between a doomed Villa or a mid-table Championship QPR?
Newcastle is my guess.
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Didn't he already turn them down. He won't go back to them. Players don't tend to make such abrupt about turns.
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Didn't he already turn them down. He won't go back to them. Players don't tend to make such abrupt about turns.
I thought it was a case of him not being French and under 22.
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Austin will end up at Wessam or Palace I reckon.
I wonder if Dwight Gayle will be back on our radar.
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I wonder if Dwight Gayle will be back on our radar.
If he is I hope it is only the one operating our air to ground guided missile system.
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Ideal for the championship in fairness. Would score shed loads.
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i like gil but for me too lightweight, too slow and too predictable
So why do you like him then?.
Because if he had decent players around him who moved off the ball and made decent runs he would be fine and would thrive but with our options at the moment it's a case of we signed him at the wrong time.
Or we have had managers who haven't been willing to play him in the role where he would be most effective. At the moment, most of his work is done on the halfway line where he can't hurt players. He needs to getting the ball in central areas in the final third, where I think he could hurt teams. He isn't going to effective defensively, but I would be willing to sacrifice that, especially at home. Same applies to Grealish.
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Ideal for the championship in fairness. Would score shed loads.
Totally agree. He could do pretty well in between Ayew and Jack.
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Is Barry playing much for Everton nowadays? Might be a decent shout for 6-months and as a base to get us back into the PL.
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Is Barry playing much for Everton nowadays? Might be a decent shout for 6-months and as a base to get us back into the PL.
Played pretty much every game for them.
Edit: in fact, he's played every minute of every league game. So probably not someone they're going to want to send our way.
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Not sure if I mentioned him on here but maybe a loan bid for Mirallas? He's not playing at all recently for Everton and will surely want regular football somewhere with euros coming up.
Him or Naismith I'd be happy with anyway, less so Osman or Pienaar if he's even still alive up there.
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Miralles would be a hell of a signing, but I think much better sides will be in than us.
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Is Barry playing much for Everton nowadays? Might be a decent shout for 6-months and as a base to get us back into the PL.
Played pretty much every game for them.
Edit: in fact, he's played every minute of every league game. So probably not someone they're going to want to send our way.
He's also apparently been in very good form for them.
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He was excellent the couple of times I have seen them. Read the game, picked his forward passes. Movement helps in front of him mind.
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"Why didn't Barry join the Villa during the January transfer window?"
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Not sure if I mentioned him on here but maybe a loan bid for Mirallas? He's not playing at all recently for Everton and will surely want regular football somewhere with euros coming up.
Joined Hull when they were in a similar position in a previous January window if I recall correctly, and that was when he was in his prime.
WRONG - that was Jelavic.
Still a good suggestion, although Spurs were sniffing around him in the summer so might be beyond our reach. A loan might be a possibility.
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I haven't caught up with the last few pages so this may have already come up but with a tournament next summer and not appearing to be in his new managers first choice eleven maybe Benteke on loan? He wouldn't have a problem settling in and their fans don't seem over keen on him.
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I haven't caught up with the last few pages so this may have already come up but with a tournament next summer and not appearing to be in his new managers first choice eleven maybe Benteke on loan? He wouldn't have a problem settling in and their fans don't seem over keen on him.
I keep saying we should offer them £20 million for him - just as they used to to do.
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If we need a new keeper (we do, we do) does anyone think Adam Bogdan at Liverpool could be a useful replacement, or at the very least, competition for Guzan? I always thought he'd done alright when he was at Bolton.
If not Bogdan, then who?
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Bogdan looks decent but not sure if he keeps it going in a run of games.
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Thought Bogdan looked awful at Bolton, can't quite believe he's pitched up at Liverpool but then they did employ Brad Jones apparently as keeper back up for 5 years and he was one of the worst I've seen at this level. Didn't he go on some long run without a clean sheet at Bolton
Anyway I've had a thought of who we should sign if we go down and I dunno maybe it's too simplistic but Jordan Rhodes?
We know he can score goals no problem down there, we know he likes playing with Gestede and we obviously would need to get the best out of him so to me that seems like a no brainer.
Not sure how long he has left on his Blackburn deal but it's a bit like when Fulham went down and then splashed out 8m or whatever it was on Ross McCormack. That hasn't worked out but that's due to how poor the rest of their team is.
Rhodes-Gestede partnership certainly had plenty about it at Blackburn, those two would get 40 goals between them no problem.
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Anyway I've had a thought of who we should sign if we go down and I dunno maybe it's too simplistic but Jordan Rhodes?
We know he can score goals no problem down there, we know he likes playing with Gestede and we obviously would need to get the best out of him so to me that seems like a no brainer.
Not sure how long he has left on his Blackburn deal but it's a bit like when Fulham went down and then splashed out 8m or whatever it was on Ross McCormack. That hasn't worked out but that's due to how poor the rest of their team is.
Rhodes-Gestede partnership certainly had plenty about it at Blackburn, those two would get 40 goals between them no problem.
I thought the issue at Blackburn is that they didn't really like playing together? Rhodes certainly spent a good period of time on the bench the season that Gestede scoring whatever it was that made us buy him.
Even more simplistic, how about Ayew? He's not far from averaging a goal every other game when he actually gets a run of games, I don't really see the need to jettison one of our very few bright points.
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Surely Ayew will move on Dave? I'm sure there's plenty of prem clubs taking notice of his performances like today? He's easily good enough for the premier league and as we saw last year we don't know what sort of release clauses will kick in when relegation occurs.
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Surely Ayew will move on Dave? I'm sure there's plenty of prem clubs taking notice of his performances like today? He's easily good enough for the premier league and as we saw last year we don't know what sort of release clauses will kick in when relegation occurs.
He's on a five year deal so I imagine the club will ask a lot of money for him if someone does show interest. What I don't agree with is the notion that if we do go down there will be this mass exodus. It rarely happens when clubs go down that players just bail out. Some will go off course and hopefully those we have no use for. And with Ayew it appears me he'd take it very personally and wouldn't ask to leave so I think he'll be around next season whichever division we are in.
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Surely Ayew will move on Dave? I'm sure there's plenty of prem clubs taking notice of his performances like today?
Maybe, maybe not. I can't imagine he was on massive money at Lorient, and it's not like he's used to playing for Juventus or Bayern Munich. His International peers aren't really at clubs that are much more impressive than a big Championship club.
I'd have expected Sandro and Fer to leave QPR. I'd have thought Diamé and Hernandez would leave Hull.
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Fer was going to Sunderland but failed a medical, Sandro has had work permit issues so possibly put off clubs. I'd actually take Diame in January if he's available.
I think Ayew will go but others will stay, someone like Amavi will be with us until January as I can't see anyone splashing out big money until he gets fit again and starts playing. And if his pace is still intact, he'd be a key player for us down there.
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Surely Ayew will move on Dave? I'm sure there's plenty of prem clubs taking notice of his performances like today? He's easily good enough for the premier league and as we saw last year we don't know what sort of release clauses will kick in when relegation occurs.
He's on a five year deal so I imagine the club will ask a lot of money for him if someone does show interest.
The way that these contracts tend to work (all of the ones that I've seen, which I admit isn't a huge number) is that if you get relegated then your wages drop by a specified amount but a drop in wages triggers the existence of a release clause. It's normally linked to the original money paid, so the logic is that if say, Ayew has done well enough in a relegated side that somebody in a better position than us wants to sign him then there's no reason why it should be for less than we paid originally.
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I reckon Ayew will give it 12 months in the Championship. I reckon there will be some sort of release clause but for 3-4 million more than we paid. Austin did not go either last summer.
Most of the side will stay I think. Maybe Sanchez will go, Gana might return to France, but beyond them I think much of the squad will be kept together to give it a shot.
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I reckon Ayew will give it 12 months in the Championship. I reckon there will be some sort of release clause but for 3-4 million more than we paid. Austin did not go either last summer.
Most of the side will stay I think. Maybe Sanchez will go, Gana might return to France, but beyond them I think much of the squad will be kept together to give it a shot.
That's probably about right. Maybe Richards might go to what, Everton? Stoke? Somewhere like that.
Gil, Adama, Amavi, Veretout, Ayew, Okore and actually probably Sanchez I would expect to hang about. If we don't go straight back up then I'd expect a few of them to rethink things.
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Naismith according to the ToryGraph
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Would take him but he's another to me that just plays off a main striker, that's a massive gaping hole in the squad that must be rectified in January. How good is this Laurent Delpierre guy?
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Naismith according to the ToryGraph
It would be another option, but I don't really see how much extra he really brings.
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Works his balls off and would be a decent signing in the wide forward roles. Would still need a centre forward though.
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Would take him but he's another to me that just plays off a main striker, that's a massive gaping hole in the squad that must be rectified in January. How good is this Laurent Delpierre guy?
Looks a bit of a lump to me I have to say. 7 in 24 is not the sort of record that is going to save us either.
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Naismith according to the ToryGraph
It would be another option, but I don't really see how much extra he really brings.
Agree, we have far more pressing needs.
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Works his balls off and would be a decent signing in the wide forward roles. Would still need a centre forward though.
He doesn't really play as a wide-forward any more than Gil or Grealish do. And if we want to start playing with actual wide forwards, I'd much rather we started giving Adama more than four minutes at a time to do it.
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I agree with the latter part. I think that workrate is the number 1 requirement of Garde at the moment though. Watching Vardy at Leicester getting the rewards of workrate, I can see why Naismith would appeal.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-plot-transfer-monaco-7041564
To play the Sanchez role ?
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Can't say he's familiar to me but sounds like the sort of midfielder we need.
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Works his balls off and would be a decent signing in the wide forward roles. Would still need a centre forward though.
Agreed, but it's Everton he works his balls off for because there's usually someone else around to pick them up and put them back in his jock-strap. In the first half today I found it difficult to find a Villa player who would piss on him if he was on fire!
Still like him as a player though.
(And he's a good person.)
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I haven't caught up with the last few pages so this may have already come up but with a tournament next summer and not appearing to be in his new managers first choice eleven maybe Benteke on loan? He wouldn't have a problem settling in and their fans don't seem over keen on him.
He's gone and he's never coming back. He'll be at that tournament (barring injury) regardless if he's playing for them regularly or not.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-plot-transfer-monaco-7041564
To play the Sanchez role ?
Just the sort of player we need in there. If I recall correctly we were heavily linked with him in one of the earlier O'Neill summers.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-plot-transfer-monaco-7041564
To play the Sanchez role ?
Just the sort of player we need in there. If I recall correctly we were heavily linked with him in one of the earlier O'Neill summers.
I think you're right Dave.
This could be useful for both this season and if we drop down a division. Good experienced player in good shape. I suppose Garde has to consider players for both outcomes.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-plot-transfer-monaco-7041564
To play the Sanchez role ?
Just the sort of player we need in there. If I recall correctly we were heavily linked with him in one of the earlier O'Neill summers.
I think you're right Dave.
This could be useful for both this season and if we drop down a division. Good experienced player in good shape. I suppose Garde has to consider players for both outcomes.
Yep. I think it is time to move on from Sanchez and Westwood.
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Toulalan would be a great signing. Been consistent for years now, he'd instantly improve us.
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Meaning Evil says we're also looking at a Belgian striker (another 'The Beast'!) - Laurent Depoitre (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/remi-garde-talks-briefly-aston-10623862)
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Just to clarify Adam Bogdan was a serious suggestion?
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I think Chelsea will sign a striker in January. If they do i'd ask for Remy on loan with a view to buy if we stay up. Swansea have asked about him, so should we.
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Just to clarify Adam Bogdan was a serious suggestion?
His role would simply be to make Guzan look like Schmeichal (Snr) in his prime.
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I think Chelsea will sign a striker in January. If they do i'd ask for Remy on loan with a view to buy if we stay up. Swansea have asked about him, so should we.
I'd be looking at Remy too. We are in a shit position for obtaining films but he might be open to a loan move.
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I think Chelsea will sign a striker in January. If they do i'd ask for Remy on loan with a view to buy if we stay up. Swansea have asked about him, so should we.
I'd be looking at Remy too. We are in a shit position for obtaining films but he might be open to a loan move.
Yep. Bugger all to lose and his goals could keep us up especially if he linked up well with ayew etc. Won't solve the other problems in defence/midfield, but a 1m loan fee which Swansea have offered seems okay in the context of staying in the premiership and allows us to spend what little real money we hopefully have elsewhere
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Whoever we sign, I really hope we're talking to them / their clubs / their agents already and just need to send the money via PayPal in the first days of January, as we need help as quickly as we can possibly get it.
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Randy will probably use Western Union.
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Randy will probably use Western Union.
More likely Pony Express.
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Garde worked with Remy, Toulalan and the returning Cissokho at Lyon, so would not be surprised if we are in for him.
I am making the assumption that Garde will have got to know Remy in the youth/ reserve setup
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-plot-transfer-monaco-7041564
To play the Sanchez role ?
Just the sort of player we need in there. If I recall correctly we were heavily linked with him in one of the earlier O'Neill summers.
Would be a great move for us. Offer him a coaching spot, and a solid gold Bentley.
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Garde worked with Remy, Toulalan and the returning Cissokho at Lyon, so would not be surprised if we are in for him.
I am making the assumption that Garde will have got to know Remy in the youth/ reserve setup
I'm really hoping Garde can pull a few rabbits out of the hat in January.
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Yes, Dave Woodhall will then be able to start a thread with "Press-tidigation".
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Steven Naismith?
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Steven Naismith?
Decent option, but not really a necessity at the moment.
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Naismith has the ability to take games by the scruff of the neck. He strikes me as a player with the level of confidence we desperately lack. I'd definitely be in for him.
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Toulalan would be a great signing. Been consistent for years now, he'd instantly improve us.
I like the sound of a midfield pairing of Toulahan and Hoolahan. The only downside with the former would be the inevitable jokes about Villa signing yet another tool.
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I hope we sign Toulalan so we can sing:
"Toulalan, Toulalan - I'm in heaven, when you smile."
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I hope we sign Toulalan so we can sing:
"Toulalan, Toulalan - I'm in heaven, when you smile."
"My name is Toulalan" from Bugsy Malone.
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Why on earth would he come!?
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Why on earth would he come!?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-plot-transfer-monaco-7041564
To play the Sanchez role ?
Just the sort of player we need in there. If I recall correctly we were heavily linked with him in one of the earlier O'Neill summers.
Would be a great move for us. Offer him a coaching spot, and a solid gold Bentley.
We need to start acting like a big club again.
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Why on earth would he come!?
He's not currently playing at Monaco is he?
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Why on earth would he come!?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-plot-transfer-monaco-7041564
To play the Sanchez role ?
Just the sort of player we need in there. If I recall correctly we were heavily linked with him in one of the earlier O'Neill summers.
Would be a great move for us. Offer him a coaching spot, and a solid gold Bentley.
We need to start acting like a big club again.
Agreed.
Have him picked up from the airport in a Rover SD1 and give him a Christmas hamper from Mr Egg.
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Why on earth would he come!?
Especially when Athletico Madrid are allegedly interested..
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I would like us to sign Daniel Bentley of Southend Utd, a young goalkeeper with loads of potential, possibly one for the future but could have a great future. He is out of contract in the summer and we could get him for about £1.5 million easily!
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Just to clarify Adam Bogdan was a serious suggestion?
Yes.
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Just to clarify Adam Bogdan was a serious suggestion?
Yes.
He certainly looked like he'd fit right in against Watford yesterday.
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Just to clarify Adam Bogdan was a serious suggestion?
Yes.
He certainly looked like he'd fit right in against Watford yesterday.
I haven't seen that game. Are you saying Mignolet (or whoever else played for Liverpool) was crap?
Edit - just seen the match report. Bogdan played and produced a major rick for Watford's first goal.
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Just to clarify Adam Bogdan was a serious suggestion?
Yes.
He certainly looked like he'd fit right in against Watford yesterday.
I haven't seen that game. Are you saying Mignolet (or whoever else played for Liverpool) was crap?
Bogdan played for them yesterday and "chucked one in" after three minutes.
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Sounds just what we need.
With regular goalkeeper Simon Mignolet absent from the squad with a hamstring injury, 28-year-old Bogdan - who had previously only played in the League Cup since his summer arrival - was called in.
Just over two minutes into the match, he bounced Ben Watson's corner at his own feet rather than making what looked like an easy catch. Replays suggested he might have had two hands on the ball when Ake pounced, but nonetheless it was a poor error.
Bogdan said: "I had both hands on the ball but we are talking about a split-second. It's not easy for the referee to see. If I catch the first ball, there is no second one.
"Something went wrong, I have to think about it again. It was a mistake and I will learn from it."
Hungarian Bogdan didn't cover himself in glory when punching a through ball into Lucas' face either though, and his nervousness seemed to spread through the Reds defence.
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I would like us to sign Daniel Bentley of Southend Utd, a young goalkeeper with loads of potential, possibly one for the future but could have a great future. He is out of contract in the summer and we could get him for about £1.5 million easily!
Good shout. Could probably get him for free in the summer though.
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£3m offer for Marseille's Steve Mandanda according to French media: http://goo.gl/GVpPo3
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Steve Mandanda anyone? Apparently £3m bid if you believe the rumours.
Edit: you quick fingered bastard Matt :) Nipped in faster than an opposing forward in our penalty box.
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We had Mandanda on trial a few years ago if I remember correctly
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He's not big but very athletic. Been pretty much an ever present for Marseille since 2008. He did have a trial with us before that but given that MON was manager and pretty much anti scouting beyond these shores it's no wonder it didn't work out.
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£3m offer for Marseille's Steve Mandanda according to French media: http://goo.gl/GVpPo3
That strikes me as extremely cheap for somebody who were in not for Hugo Lloris being really good would probably have been France's first-choice keeper for nearly a decade.
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Being out of contract in the summer will be what keeps his price down. Which is nice.
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Could be a really good buy that.
Mandanda, Richards, Toulalan, Ayew wouldn't be a bad spine to build a team around at all.
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I can't take anyone called Bogdan seriously. I keep seeing Walter White's car wash owner in my head.
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if Garde wants to follow in Wengers steps he needs to fish out a Patrick Viera and an Emmanual Petit from his homeland in this window
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if Garde wants to follow in Wengers steps he needs to fish out a Patrick Viera and an Emmanual Petit from his homeland in this window
Remember though that Wenger inherited one the best defences in top flight history and he added some great players to it. It would be great to find the best Viera but he has so many other things to fix. We literally need a new GK, CB and right back let alone our issues at LB. if Richards goes to RB or can play with Okore maybe that solves a piece of the issues but the defence is a shambles right now.
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I´d like to see us a make a realistic bid to get 20yr old Zach Clough from Bolton, he is very highly rated , scored 2 goals after a long injury layoff , last Saturday, and more pertinently perhaps, his Club are 173mil quid in debt .....so they could hardly turn down a decent offer........Godzvilla!
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if Garde wants to follow in Wengers steps he needs to fish out a Patrick Viera and an Emmanual Petit from his homeland in this window
Remember though that Wenger inherited one the best defences in top flight history and he added some great players to it. It would be great to find the best Viera but he has so many other things to fix. We literally need a new GK, CB and right back let alone our issues at LB. if Richards goes to RB or can play with Okore maybe that solves a piece of the issues but the defence is a shambles right now.
I don't actually think he's going to do it, but would be nice
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I see john ruddy was dropped a few weeks back for norwich. Seemed a decent keeper not long ago.
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We had Mandanda on trial a few years ago if I remember correctly
Yes, another one of MON's masterstrokes.
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Linked with Wahbi Kharzi from Bordeaux and Morgan Amalfatano. The later would be a good signing on a free in my opinion. The former I haven't a clue who he is!!
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The Mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-target-wahbi-7054321) are linking us with Bordeaux attacking midfielder Wahbi Khazri, as well as Mandanda and former Belgium Under-21 keeper Colin Coosemans of KV Mechelen.
Remi Garde has targeted Bordeaux attacking midfielder Wahbi Khazri as part of his January spending.
The 24-year-old, however, wants release clauses in any deal as he fears they are doomed.
Khazri has scored six goals this season and contributed to a total of 11 in the French league.
He hit nine and made five last season.
Villa boss Garde is also after a new goalkeeper.
Mirror Sport revealed last week that he had been alerted to former Belgium Under-21 keeper Colin Coosemans.
Steve Mandanda, of Marseilles, is also an option.
HITC (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2015/12/21/report-aston-villa-eyeing-former-west-ham-midfielder-morgan-amal/) are linking us with Morgan Amalfitano who left West Ham by mutual consent in October.
Aston Villa are set to rival Lille for the signature of former West Ham United midfielder Morgan Amalfitano, according to RMC Sport.
Amalfitano, 30, is currently a free agent after leaving West Ham by mutual consent in October following a falling out with manager Slaven Bilic over a “breach of club rules”.
The French playmaker, who only signed a new two-year deal at the Boleyn Ground in March, has since been linked with a number of sides, and the latest reports suggest that Lille have been in contact with him about a return to Ligue 1.
However, RMC Sport claims that the former Marseille man could be tempted back to England instead when the winter transfer window opens next month, with Villa manager Remi Garde also said to have reached out to him amid his efforts to bolster his struggling side.
Amalfitano has already played one season in the Midlands previously, having spent the 2013-14 campaign on loan at West Bromwich Albion from Marseille, before later securing a permanent switch to the Premier League in September 2014 when he joined West Ham for an undisclosed fee.
The one-time capped international went on to record three goals and three assists in 32 total appearances during his time in east London, while showing several flashes of brilliance, but his inconsistent performances saw him fail to establish himself as a regular starter.
Nevertheless, with his playmaking skills, Premier League experience and ability to play a variety of midfield positions, he could well end up proving a solid addition for a Villa side that have struggled to create chances throughout the season, while the lack of a transfer fee comes as an obvious plus.
However, whether Garde can convince his compatriot to come to the club in their current predicament – 10 points from safety at the bottom of the table after taking just seven points from 17 games – obviously remains to be seen.
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I'm a big fan of Amalfitano but recognise he'd be a huge risk. Plus I'm sure he's also a player who is great for a game or two but then disappears for a bit. But in our situation you'd take the winning game bit for a start and hope it starts getting the other decent players we do have playing on the front foot. What have we got to lose by gambling on him? Relegation?
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Well quite. I think he would add something a bit more creative than we have or at least than Garde trusts.
If Gil goes back to Spain (and who would blame him - his record in the side is abysmal despite his obvious talent) then we need some more creativity
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I'm torn between wanting wholesale changes and wanting to keep a settled side in order for the players that we have to develop an understanding with each other.
Amalfitano didn't seem to make much of an impact at West Ham last year, and we do have attacking midfielders already. However, he is available, and might be able to carry out the manager's instructions on the pitch more effectively than what we have now, or fit a particular way of playing.
Khazri has an impressive highlights reel on YouTube, and has a pretty good goals to game ratio for an attacking midfielder. At 24 he's got a bit more experience than the likes of Grealish and Traore as well.
I know they're just rumours, but other than Toulalan, I'm yet to see us linked with any encouraging defenders, defensive midfielders, or strikers.
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going by what happened over the summer it's probably safe to say we won't sign any of the players the papers have us linked with.
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It's noticeable we haven't been linked with Messi in the papers.
*taps nose*
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It's noticeable we haven't been linked with Messi in the papers.
*taps nose*
quite. And I noticed Ronaldo was quite unhappy not getting a hat trick in the recent 10-2 win. I heard he wants out and for a real (not Real) challenge.
*wink wink*
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A Messi Khazi would be nice though
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A Messi Khazi would be nice though
Well we've provided everyone with football worthy of a khazi this season.
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We are in the khazi..can't get much worse. Can it?..eh? Eh? Carry on up the Khazi, or was it Khyber?
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Sam Byram has been linked today.
I think that's the sort we have to be signing tbh. It would be a realistic signing baring in mind where we could be next year. He is a very good player at that level for Leeds.
Right back although can play in other positions if needed. Out of contract in the summer. Pretty sure he's been linked to us before.
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It's noticeable we haven't been linked with Messi in the papers.
*taps nose*
No no chance as he signed a contract extension at the start of the season. However may be worth exploring about any release clause that says "if Aston Villa make a bid"?
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Sam Byram has been linked today.
I think that's the sort we have to be signing tbh. It would be a realistic signing baring in mind where we could be next year. He is a very good player at that level for Leeds.
Right back although can play in other positions if needed. Out of contract in the summer. Pretty sure he's been linked to us before.
I've just done some YouTube scouting and he looks decent from the short clips I can see. Would probably be cheap as well so not much of a risk. I say sign him.
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if the media were to be believed, we could add 6 news players and maybe 2 to leave and will it take the team longer to gel and get the winning run needed. We need to sign all of them within a fortnight in time for FA Cup Round 3.
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Maximum two players in this window. Two who can improve this team whilst it's jelling together. Anymore and we have no chance of getting out of it.
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Maximum two players in this window. Two who can improve this team whilst it's jelling together. Anymore and we have no chance of getting out of it.
I'd say 3 max if one of them is a new keeper.
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I think one decent CH is an absolute priority, as as a striker. One decent defneder could make our defence look a lot more competent. Someone who has experience, and legs and could organise us a bit. Easier said than done.
If we get possibly in any way get Remy on loan, that could solve the striker crisis until the end of the season. Failing that we should be bidding on Austin.
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I think a new CH is probably the very last position we will be looking at.
A striker who can score, an experienced midfielder and any fucker who can play left back should be on the shopping list.
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Remi said he's looking at getting Inler on loan from Leicester.
Would take him, vastly experienced for club and country, can keep the ball and put his foot in so an upgrade on Sanchez.
Edit: I'm reasonably confident we'll end the transfer window with a significantly better 11 than we have now with the contacts Garde has. The big problem though is how far adrift we'll be at the end of January and how monumental the task will be.
We simply need to win a game or two with this current mob to give us half a chance for the final 15 or so games.
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I would take everything we can muster and put it all on the best striker we can afford that is willing to come
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I think the numbers depends on the players. Ray has worked with the Kahzi at Bastia, and knows him. Garde has worked with Toulalan. Inler has such a huge amount of experience he is the type that would likely help the side gel, and is a proven leader. Mandanda is a proven, experienced international keeper. Cole if he came at left back is not the type that will need long to settle, he has played with Lescott and Richards before. The point being the ones we are being linked with, are mainly players with vast experience (thank god) that you would think would not take the time to adapt OR settle into the side say Veretout has. That coupled with the others gaining time in the division and we could actually benefit quite well from 4-5 players coming in.
If they were 5 kids, I would agree completely, but they are not are they.
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I would take everything we can muster and put it all on the best striker we can afford that is willing to come
(http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/2013-14/July/m-Jozy-Altidore-signs-for-sunderland.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.thumbnail.490.338.margin.png)
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I would take everything we can muster and put it all on the best striker we can afford that is willing to come
(http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/2013-14/July/m-Jozy-Altidore-signs-for-sunderland.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.thumbnail.490.338.margin.png)
Go forth & multiply
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I would take everything we can muster and put it all on the best striker we can afford that is willing to come
(http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/2013-14/July/m-Jozy-Altidore-signs-for-sunderland.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.thumbnail.490.338.margin.png)
That's my boy!!
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I'm in the 4-5 signings and half a dozen at best. A few will be outed but bringing in 4,5,6 decent players then makes interesting
1-2 strikers
2 wingers or midfielders
1 defender
1gk
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I would take everything we can muster and put it all on the best striker we can afford that is willing to come
(http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/2013-14/July/m-Jozy-Altidore-signs-for-sunderland.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.thumbnail.490.338.margin.png)
That's my boy!!
yeh...
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Bardsley
Naismith
Remy
Armafilto
Gouffran
Toulalan
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Bardsley
Naismith
Remy
Armafilto
Gouffran
Toulalan
Bardsley? Like David Bardsley? Fucking hell. Where did that come from?
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Bardsley
Naismith
Remy
Armafilto
Gouffran
Toulalan
Bardsley? Like David Bardsley? Fucking hell. Where did that come from?
Phil bardsley. Plays both left and right. Takes a good free kick he's essentially a battler and sparing boxer of Rooney. Like a Naismith for the defence
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Bardsley
Naismith
Remy
Armafilto
Gouffran
Toulalan
Bardsley? Like David Bardsley? Fucking hell. Where did that come from?
Phil bardsley. Plays both left and right. Takes a good free kick he's essentially a battler and sparing boxer of Rooney. Like a Naismith for the defence
Yeh sorry that's who I meant. He played for us and is your bog standard duffer. A younger Kieran Richardson.
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At least he's not Jody Craddock.
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At least he's not Jody Craddock.
i d rather have fanny (one for the teenagers)
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Phil Bardsley seems to have 1 good game a season against us. Rubbish player though. Hutton is better. In fact limited he may be but I am OK with Hutton. Works hard and cares. We have much bigger areas to sort.
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Bardsley
Naismith
Remy
Armafilto
Gouffran
Toulalan
Bardsley? Like David Bardsley? Fucking hell. Where did that come from?
and Gouffran!!!!
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At least he's not Jody Craddock.
But think of the nice paintings we'd get out of Jody Craddock.
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Sam Byram has been linked today.
I think that's the sort we have to be signing tbh. It would be a realistic signing baring in mind where we could be next year. He is a very good player at that level for Leeds.
Right back although can play in other positions if needed. Out of contract in the summer. Pretty sure he's been linked to us before.
I like Byram, think he's more than capable of making the step up from the Championship. No reason he can't be as successful a fullback at this level as Cresswell who West Ham plucked from the Championship.
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I would take everything we can muster and put it all on the best striker we can afford that is willing to come
(http://www.premierleague.com/content/dam/premierleague/site-content/News/2013-14/July/m-Jozy-Altidore-signs-for-sunderland.jpg/_jcr_content/renditions/cq5dam.thumbnail.490.338.margin.png)
Only if Benni McCarthy isn't available
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Shola Ameobi worth a shout? Is Gouffran the bald, useless Newcastle player? We could maybe ask about Obertan as well, two useless, bald players for the price of one.
Phil Bardsley is like a poor Alan Hutton, if you can imagine such a thing.
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We have enough crap in the squad now as it is without mentioning the likes of Bardsley et al. I honestly don't think Remi is that stupid.
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Shola Ameobi worth a shout?
The only shout I'd direct towards Ameobi would be "jump" if i saw him standing on a very high bridge.
Absolutely fucking awful player.
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Shola Ameobi worth a shout? Is Gouffran the bald, useless Newcastle player? We could maybe ask about Obertan as well, two useless, bald players for the price of one.
Phil Bardsley is like a poor Alan Hutton, if you can imagine such a thing.
Put them alongside Senderos, Hutton and Guzan as some sort of football themed coconut shy?
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Shola Ameobi worth a shout?
The only shout I'd direct towards Ameobi would be "jump" if i saw him standing on a very high bridge.
Absolutely fucking awful player.
agreed...I'd rather have Shola Ama
UTV
The Doc
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Bardsley
Naismith
Remy
Armafilto
Gouffran
Toulalan
I was getting used to your way of thinking and starting to nod at certain things BUT then you went and spoilt it all by mentioning Bardsley!
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Shola Ameobi worth a shout?
The only shout I'd direct towards Ameobi would be "jump" if i saw him standing on a very high bridge.
Absolutely fucking awful player.
Even then he'd miss the water.
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Shola Ameobi worth a shout?
The only shout I'd direct towards Ameobi would be "jump" if i saw him standing on a very high bridge.
Absolutely fucking awful player.
agreed...I'd rather have Shola Ama
UTV
The Doc
I do hope people don't for one minute think I was being serious. I had quite a heated debate with a Newcastle season ticket holder of many years about who was worse, Ameobi or Agbonlahor. He won, just.
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I know Gabby has been utterly gash the past few seasons, but Ameobi has been fucking shit his entire career. Gabby has several critical goals and performances in the early part of his career when he was lighting quick and gave a damn. Has Ameobi got any significant moments in his? In a battle of Gabby vs Shola, across their entire body of work, it's Gabby every single time.
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Sam Byram has been linked today.
I think that's the sort we have to be signing tbh. It would be a realistic signing baring in mind where we could be next year. He is a very good player at that level for Leeds.
Right back although can play in other positions if needed. Out of contract in the summer. Pretty sure he's been linked to us before.
I like Byram, think he's more than capable of making the step up from the Championship. No reason he can't be as successful a fullback at this level as Cresswell who West Ham plucked from the Championship.
I was told last summer by someone who, allegedly, has ITK contacts at Leeds that we were pursuing Byram and he said it looked as if he was coming, but nothing happened........then.
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I know Gabby has been utterly gash the past few seasons, but Ameobi has been fucking shit his entire career. Gabby has several critical goals and performances in the early part of his career when he was lighting quick and gave a damn. Has Ameobi got any significant moments in his? In a battle of Gabby vs Shola, across their entire body of work, it's Gabby every single time.
And that is why I conceeded defeat. Based on the last three years I'd say it's a very close thing.
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Probablty just following the lead of others, but the Birmingham Mail has us interested in Khazri and Toulalan. Toulalan sounds like just the kind of player we need and have probably missed since Petrov retired.
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Can't see Toulalan being keen, but the Inler link is an interesting one.
He joined Leicester at a time when they looked far more likely to be fighting it out at the bottom of the table rather than the top, so a deal with a release clause is probably something he is already familiar with. I'm sure I seen some of the better German teams linked with him as well though, so we'd have a job persuading him.
Nowt wrong with the pedigree, but again, it's a player who might take time to adapt to the Premiership seeing as he has rarely featured for Leicester this season. That's time we don't have.
Kramaric impressed me last season too, and barely seems to get a look in this year. With our lack of options that could be one to explore.
If I was Leicester, I wouldn't sell either, mind. If they are serious about staying in contention this year, those are the type of players you would want to be able to come in when injuries invariably take their toll.
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I know Gabby has been utterly gash the past few seasons, but Ameobi has been fucking shit his entire career. Gabby has several critical goals and performances in the early part of his career when he was lighting quick and gave a damn. Has Ameobi got any significant moments in his? In a battle of Gabby vs Shola, across their entire body of work, it's Gabby every single time.
Think he's scored half his career goals for Newcastle v Sunderland and got a 5 year deal as a result so very Gabby esque.
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Kramaric did look a good striker last season Kevin. I would have Albrighton back of Leicester if I could though!
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I know Gabby has been utterly gash the past few seasons, but Ameobi has been fucking shit his entire career. Gabby has several critical goals and performances in the early part of his career when he was lighting quick and gave a damn. Has Ameobi got any significant moments in his? In a battle of Gabby vs Shola, across their entire body of work, it's Gabby every single time.
And that is why I conceeded defeat. Based on the last three years I'd say it's a very close thing.
Gabby vs Ameobi is two bald men fighting over a comb.
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Bardsley
Naismith
Remy
Armafilto
Gouffran
Toulalan
I was getting used to your way of thinking and starting to nod at certain things BUT then you went and spoilt it all by mentioning Bardsley!
And then you went and spoilt it all by saying something stupid like Bardsley. Like Bardsley.
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Phil Bardsley seems to have 1 good game a season against us. Rubbish player though. Hutton is better. In fact limited he may be but I am OK with Hutton. Works hard and cares. We have much bigger areas to sort.
This
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Kramaric did look a good striker last season Kevin. I would have Albrighton back of Leicester if I could though!
I'd have Albrighton back in a heartbeat.
Mind you, getting rid of him did mean we could bring in the likes of Richardson, Cole and Senderos.
What an inspired bit of business that was. ::)
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Anyone else seen/heard that gabby has signed for someone!?
He's put a picture on his Instagram with a 'signature' emoji.....
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Anyone else seen/heard that gabby has signed for someone!?
He's put a picture on his Instagram with a 'signature' emoji.....
New four year contract.
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Anyone else seen/heard that gabby has signed for someone!?
He's put a picture on his Instagram with a 'signature' emoji.....
its probably the lease for a new ferrari
he is going nowhere, he will sit on his fat arse until his contract expires
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65k a week and less use than Heskey
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Anyone else seen/heard that gabby has signed for someone!?
He's put a picture on his Instagram with a 'signature' emoji.....
its probably the lease for a new ferrari
he is going nowhere, he will sit on his fat arse until his contract expires
Normally I'd agree, but there a few reasons why he might want to move on.
One, we look like we're down, he's on 65k now, but what will he be on once the relegation clause kicks in? (assuming his contract has one, surely it must?!) He hasn't got too many years at the top left, so maybe he (his agent) might calculate he'd be better off in the long run jumping ship.
Two, with the next tv contract and untold gazillions on offer etc. some other club who actually has a chance at avoiding relegation might be willing/stupid enough to throw 60k plus a week his way and a three year deal, if we're very lucky.
All that said, there does seem to be a bit of wishful thinking about Garde/the club's hints that we could get rid of him in January, which would free up some funds for the desperately needed incomings, and we might have to wait until the summer when the relegation clause has kicked in, and Gabby feels the pain of going down in his pocket.
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It may of course be a clever bit of management by Garde. Leave him out, then throw him back in unexpectedly and realising what me may be missing if he leaves, has a belting second half of the season.
I still think he's past it mind.
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Anyone else seen/heard that gabby has signed for someone!?
He's put a picture on his Instagram with a 'signature' emoji.....
its probably the lease for a new ferrari
he is going nowhere, he will sit on his fat arse until his contract expires
Normally I'd agree, but there a few reasons why he might want to move on.
One, we look like we're down, he's on 65k now, but what will he be on once the relegation clause kicks in? (assuming his contract has one, surely it must?!) He hasn't got too many years at the top left, so maybe he (his agent) might calculate he'd be better off in the long run jumping ship.
Two, with the next tv contract and untold gazillions on offer etc. some other club who actually has a chance at avoiding relegation might be willing/stupid enough to throw 60k plus a week his way and a three year deal, if we're very lucky.
All that said, there does seem to be a bit of wishful thinking about Garde/the club's hints that we could get rid of him in January, which would free up some funds for the desperately needed incomings, and we might have to wait until the summer when the relegation clause has kicked in, and Gabby feels the pain of going down in his pocket.
It has been posted before - who in their right minds would sign gabby based on how shit he has been for the past 5 seasons?
No prem team will touch him with a barge pole and even if he dropped to the championship can you honestly see anyone paying him even 30K a week which is probably half of what he is on.
Unless we sweeten the deal by paying him off he will stop here, even if he gets a reduction in wages which I would be dubious about as knowing how we negotiate contracts
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Fulham!?
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Anyone else seen/heard that gabby has signed for someone!?
He's put a picture on his Instagram with a 'signature' emoji.....
I hope so. I really do
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Fulham!?
BBC Sport saying Fulham, Forest and Bolton not able to sign anyone in January owing to FFP breaches - it would be just our luck if we had agreed a deal with them to take Gabby, N'Zogbia and Richardson!
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Gabby is shit, he wont leave because no one will buy him. He's firmly on easy street, the number of times I've seen him laugh after making a mistake or skying a shot pisses me off, anyone with a winners attitude wouldn't be chuckling they'd be training harder. All he's interested in now is living the lifestyle of the footballer. We are stuck with that fucking donkey for years thanks to another dumb Fox decision. He should have been offered a diet not an extension.
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Anyone else seen/heard that gabby has signed for someone!?
He's put a picture on his Instagram with a 'signature' emoji.....
was it an X
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EX-iter it is then! Hell love the pasties.
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If he's gone i'll believe in Father Christmas for the 1st time since the 70's
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I suppose there is a minute chance Paul Lambert might sign him for Blackburn.
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I read Garde's comments about a clearout. Sadly i think that refers to players out of contract this summer and with nothing to lose, and those of our foreign contingent whose stay in Birmingham hasn't totally blackened their reputation back in their home countries and who may command a decent fee (gil, Traore). Might even get an unpleasant surprise if garde decides to cash in on someone promising if he gets a big offer and decides the money is too good to turn down to allow him to strengthen elsewhere. Depends if he's resigned to relegation or fancies a punt...Actually probably depends if Lerner is resigned to relegation.
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I read Garde's comments about a clearout. Sadly i think that refers to players out of contract this summer and with nothing to lose, and those of our foreign contingent whose stay in Birmingham hasn't totally blackened their reputation back in their home countries and who may command a decent fee (gil, Traore). Might even get an unpleasant surprise if garde decides to cash in on someone promising if he gets a big offer and decides the money is too good to turn down to allow him to strengthen elsewhere. Depends if he's resigned to relegation or fancies a punt...Actually probably depends if Lerner is resigned to relegation.
I read it as him having already made up his mind who can't / won't contribute to the massive fight we have ahead of us, and if an offer comes in for them, they're gone. Kozak, Senderos, Richardson, N'Zogbia, Cole, Gabby are probably in that category, possibly Gil.
Of the players mentioned so far, if we could get Mandanda, Toulalan and Remy, I think that would go a long way to sorting out some of our problems.
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I read Garde's comments about a clearout. Sadly i think that refers to players out of contract this summer and with nothing to lose, and those of our foreign contingent whose stay in Birmingham hasn't totally blackened their reputation back in their home countries and who may command a decent fee (gil, Traore). Might even get an unpleasant surprise if garde decides to cash in on someone promising if he gets a big offer and decides the money is too good to turn down to allow him to strengthen elsewhere. Depends if he's resigned to relegation or fancies a punt...Actually probably depends if Lerner is resigned to relegation.
I read it as him having already made up his mind who can't / won't contribute to the massive fight we have ahead of us, and if an offer comes in for them, they're gone. Kozak, Senderos, Richardson, N'Zogbia, Cole, Gabby are probably in that category, possibly Gil.
Trouble with that list, is you're not going to get any suitors, anymore than we did with the MON deadwood. I don't know how much money is available in January, if any, but if we're trying to generate some money coming in from players perhaps not totally in garde's plans, then the like of Gil and Traore fit the bill. N'zogbia and cole are probably in the "fuck it, give them a free transfer" catagory.
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I read Garde's comments about a clearout. Sadly i think that refers to players out of contract this summer and with nothing to lose, and those of our foreign contingent whose stay in Birmingham hasn't totally blackened their reputation back in their home countries and who may command a decent fee (gil, Traore). Might even get an unpleasant surprise if garde decides to cash in on someone promising if he gets a big offer and decides the money is too good to turn down to allow him to strengthen elsewhere. Depends if he's resigned to relegation or fancies a punt...Actually probably depends if Lerner is resigned to relegation.
I read it as him having already made up his mind who can't / won't contribute to the massive fight we have ahead of us, and if an offer comes in for them, they're gone. Kozak, Senderos, Richardson, N'Zogbia, Cole, Gabby are probably in that category, possibly Gil.
Trouble with that list, is you're not going to get any suitors, anymore than we did with the MON deadwood. I don't know how much money is available in January, if any, but if we're trying to generate some money coming in from players perhaps not totally in garde's plans, then the like of Gil and Traore fit the bill. N'zogbia and cole are probably in the "fuck it, give them a free transfer" catagory.
I'm not sure it's about raising money - he's already said there is money available in the window.
What he said was "For sure there are some players here who are not playing for a long time and I think it is not very healthy for the group, for themselves first because as a player you want to play first-team football".
Which I take to mean some of the players not in the first team are causing problems.
As for teams to buy them, then yes, that is a problem. However it's unlikely that Richardson, Senderos, Cole and Kozak are on 'O'Neill wages'. Gabby and N'Zogbia we might have to pay off to some extent.
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I read Garde's comments about a clearout. Sadly i think that refers to players out of contract this summer and with nothing to lose, and those of our foreign contingent whose stay in Birmingham hasn't totally blackened their reputation back in their home countries and who may command a decent fee (gil, Traore). Might even get an unpleasant surprise if garde decides to cash in on someone promising if he gets a big offer and decides the money is too good to turn down to allow him to strengthen elsewhere. Depends if he's resigned to relegation or fancies a punt...Actually probably depends if Lerner is resigned to relegation.
I read it as him having already made up his mind who can't / won't contribute to the massive fight we have ahead of us, and if an offer comes in for them, they're gone. Kozak, Senderos, Richardson, N'Zogbia, Cole, Gabby are probably in that category, possibly Gil.
Trouble with that list, is you're not going to get any suitors, anymore than we did with the MON deadwood. I don't know how much money is available in January, if any, but if we're trying to generate some money coming in from players perhaps not totally in garde's plans, then the like of Gil and Traore fit the bill. N'zogbia and cole are probably in the "fuck it, give them a free transfer" catagory.
I'm not sure it's about raising money - he's already said there is money available in the window.
What he said was "For sure there are some players here who are not playing for a long time and I think it is not very healthy for the group, for themselves first because as a player you want to play first-team football".
Which I take to mean some of the players not in the first team are causing problems.
As for teams to buy them, then yes, that is a problem. However it's unlikely that Richardson, Senderos, Cole and Kozak are on 'O'Neill wages'. Gabby and N'Zogbia we might have to pay off to some extent.
I'm not sure people like Cole are causing problems. Even N'zogbia apart from being irretrievably shite. Gabby maybe. The rest, i doubt it. I think its how much money is available in the window and we don't need 10-15m thrown at it because its money down the drain imo. If we could get say 7m for gil/Traore if Garde didn't want them, AND if someone offered us 15m for Ayew who i rate very highly but isn't going to score enough to keep us out of the championship this season at least, AND Lerner gives us 10m on top, then i reckon Garde would have a chance.. Getting rid of kozak, Senderos, richardson etc like they are some sort of collection of bad apples. well,,,,,,,,,,,
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I'm not sure people like Cole are causing problems. Even N'zogbia apart from being irretrievably shite. Gabby maybe. The rest, i doubt it. I think its how much money is available in the window and we don't need 10-15m thrown at it because its money down the drain imo. If we could get say 7m for gil/Traore if Garde didn't want them, AND if someone offered us 15m for Ayew who i rate very highly but isn't going to score enough to keep us out of the championship this season at least, AND Lerner gives us 10m on top, then i reckon Garde would have a chance.. Getting rid of kozak, Senderos, richardson etc like they are some sort of collection of bad apples. well,,,,,,,,,,,
While perhaps not causing problems deliberately, I can't imagine any player is happy when not playing games. They aren't going to be upbeat, motivated figures around the place which is what we need at this point, not people moping around.
Since Kozak and Senderos haven't played a game for us in months, and Richardson is well, how can I put it nicely, past his best, there seems little point in keeping them if someone else is interested.
Selling Ayew and Traore at this stage would be absolutely nuts.
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That's two comma merchants. What's all that about?
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I'm not sure people like Cole are causing problems. Even N'zogbia apart from being irretrievably shite. Gabby maybe. The rest, i doubt it. I think its how much money is available in the window and we don't need 10-15m thrown at it because its money down the drain imo. If we could get say 7m for gil/Traore if Garde didn't want them, AND if someone offered us 15m for Ayew who i rate very highly but isn't going to score enough to keep us out of the championship this season at least, AND Lerner gives us 10m on top, then i reckon Garde would have a chance.. Getting rid of kozak, Senderos, richardson etc like they are some sort of collection of bad apples. well,,,,,,,,,,,
While perhaps not causing problems deliberately, I can't imagine any player is happy when not playing games. They aren't going to be upbeat, motivated figures around the place which is what we need at this point, not people moping around.
Since Kozak and Senderos haven't played a game for us in months, and Richardson is well, how can I put it nicely, past his best, there seems little point in keeping them if someone else is interested.
Selling Ayew and Traore at this stage would be absolutely nuts.
who the hell is interested in Kozak, Senderos and Richardson? Especially on premier wages? this is exactly the muddle we got into post MON when when we expected people to bid for the likes of harewood and beye
Ayew is an asset but he's not the finished article. 2 years from now he could be scoring 20 goals a season for someone. If someone makes a mad bid january i'd take it. Traore can't get into the side. He's rated around the world. if we got a good offer i'd take it
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Why?
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Ayew is an asset but he's not the finished article. 2 years from now he could be scoring 20 goals a season for someone.
Well how about we just keep him then?
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Because i want someone who can put the ball in the net now. Ayew i rate better than Benteke, I really do. He's not going to do that this season so you keep him till May when he'll get sold in the firesale, and we'll all mutter a bit when he does a Lukaku in 2018. Traore looks a player but he can't get a game. You can have fucking pele on the bench but if garde doesn't fancy him what's the point?
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Because i want someone who can put the ball in the net now. Ayew i rate better than Benteke, I really do. He's not going to do that this season so you keep him till May when he'll get sold in the firesale, and we'll all mutter a bit when he does a Lukaku in 2018. Traore looks a player but he can't get a game. You can have fucking pele on the bench but if garde doesn't fancy him what's the point?
So the one player we have who looks like he might be able to score should be sold, then, adrift at the bottom, we try and buy a better goal scorer. I've had a fair bit of wine tonight which might explain why I'm not understanding the logic here.
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Because i want someone who can put the ball in the net now.
Who do you have in mind who will score more often than the four in nine that Ayew has since he came into the side?
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Because i want someone who can put the ball in the net now. Ayew i rate better than Benteke, I really do. He's not going to do that this season so you keep him till May when he'll get sold in the firesale, and we'll all mutter a bit when he does a Lukaku in 2018. Traore looks a player but he can't get a game. You can have fucking pele on the bench but if garde doesn't fancy him what's the point?
So the one player we have who looks like he might be able to score should be sold, then, adrift at the bottom, we try and buy a better goal scorer. I've had a fair bit of wine tonight which might explain why I'm not understanding the logic here.
yeah because he's currently up there hammering the onion bag with the best, and only our shit defence is stopping us from taking our natural position at the top of the premiership
And its 4 in 13 this season Dave and his best ever return is 12 in 31 in a shit league. I'm not going to get in a situation where i'm slagging him off because he will be a top player. just not yet
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You have to laugh at some of the suggestions on here sometimes and Sickbeggar's is one of the more amusing one's.
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You have to laugh at some of the suggestions on here sometimes and Sickbeggar's is on of the more amusing one's.
really? Do many teams with no-one scoring escape relegation then?
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Because i want someone who can put the ball in the net now. Ayew i rate better than Benteke, I really do. He's not going to do that this season so you keep him till May when he'll get sold in the firesale, and we'll all mutter a bit when he does a Lukaku in 2018. Traore looks a player but he can't get a game. You can have fucking pele on the bench but if garde doesn't fancy him what's the point?
So the one player we have who looks like he might be able to score should be sold, then, adrift at the bottom, we try and buy a better goal scorer. I've had a fair bit of wine tonight which might explain why I'm not understanding the logic here.
yeah because he's currently up there hammering the onion bag with the best, and only our shit defence is stopping us from taking our natural position at the top of the premiership
And its 4 in 13 this season Dave and his best ever return is 12 in 31 in a shit league. I'm not going to get in a situation where i'm slagging him off because he will be a top player. just not yet
So sell him now?
Are you for real?
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4 in 10 starts isn't it? In a poor side it's a good return. The thing is none of them have been centre forward goals. You could still have another main striker scoring goals with the positions Ayew takes up. I do wish we had a top forward with him. Selling would be insane.
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Because i want someone who can put the ball in the net now. Ayew i rate better than Benteke, I really do. He's not going to do that this season so you keep him till May when he'll get sold in the firesale, and we'll all mutter a bit when he does a Lukaku in 2018. Traore looks a player but he can't get a game. You can have fucking pele on the bench but if garde doesn't fancy him what's the point?
So the one player we have who looks like he might be able to score should be sold, then, adrift at the bottom, we try and buy a better goal scorer. I've had a fair bit of wine tonight which might explain why I'm not understanding the logic here.
yeah because he's currently up there hammering the onion bag with the best, and only our shit defence is stopping us from taking our natural position at the top of the premiership
And its 4 in 13 this season Dave and his best ever return is 12 in 31 in a shit league. I'm not going to get in a situation where i'm slagging him off because he will be a top player. just not yet
So sell him now?
Are you for real?
You wanna stay up?
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You have to laugh at some of the suggestions on here sometimes and Sickbeggar's is on of the more amusing one's.
really? Do many teams with no-one scoring escape relegation then?
You rate him higher than Benteke but you'd sell him for less than half the price? Ah, ok.
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You have to laugh at some of the suggestions on here sometimes and Sickbeggar's is on of the more amusing one's.
really? Do many teams with no-one scoring escape relegation then?
You rate him higher than Benteke but you'd sell him for less than half the price? Ah, ok.
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don't give a crap about the price. the benteke money has really helped us out i don't think. I just want a goalscorer
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Because i want someone who can put the ball in the net now. Ayew i rate better than Benteke, I really do. He's not going to do that this season so you keep him till May when he'll get sold in the firesale, and we'll all mutter a bit when he does a Lukaku in 2018. Traore looks a player but he can't get a game. You can have fucking pele on the bench but if garde doesn't fancy him what's the point?
So the one player we have who looks like he might be able to score should be sold, then, adrift at the bottom, we try and buy a better goal scorer. I've had a fair bit of wine tonight which might explain why I'm not understanding the logic here.
yeah because he's currently up there hammering the onion bag with the best, and only our shit defence is stopping us from taking our natural position at the top of the premiership
And its 4 in 13 this season Dave and his best ever return is 12 in 31 in a shit league. I'm not going to get in a situation where i'm slagging him off because he will be a top player. just not yet
So sell him now?
Are you for real?
You wanna stay up?
Yes, which would mean doing the exact opposite of what you suggest and in fact adding players of similar quality to the team.
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You have to laugh at some of the suggestions on here sometimes and Sickbeggar's is on of the more amusing one's.
really? Do many teams with no-one scoring escape relegation then?
You rate him higher than Benteke but you'd sell him for less than half the price? Ah, ok.
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don't give a crap about the price. the benteke money has really helped us out i don't think. I just want a goalscorer
In that case, let him go for nothing.
The egg-nog has taken a bashing tonight I see.
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You have to laugh at some of the suggestions on here sometimes and Sickbeggar's is on of the more amusing one's.
really? Do many teams with no-one scoring escape relegation then?
You rate him higher than Benteke but you'd sell him for less than half the price? Ah, ok.
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don't give a crap about the price. the benteke money has really helped us out i don't think. I just want a goalscorer
If the money doesn't matter, why do you want to sell him for anyway? Not thought this argument through have you?
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ok lee. If you really think Ayew will get, as main striker, the goals needed to stay up this season, I disagree. If you think Lerner will buy a main striker this January to help Ayew out, I disagree. I think any big club looking at Ayew this season will say "he's got something" moreso than Benteke who imo was/is overrated. All i'm saying that someone who is premiership ready will be more use to us currently than Ayew. of course if Lerner wants to spend 15m on a striker in January then forget this conversation
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You have to laugh at some of the suggestions on here sometimes and Sickbeggar's is on of the more amusing one's.
really? Do many teams with no-one scoring escape relegation then?
You rate him higher than Benteke but you'd sell him for less than half the price? Ah, ok.
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don't give a crap about the price. the benteke money has really helped us out i don't think. I just want a goalscorer
If the money doesn't matter, why do you want to sell him for anyway? Not thought this argument through have you?
Not at all. You seem to equate cost to worth.
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I can see the argument that we need current ability rather than potential, but Ayew seems to have both.
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You have to laugh at some of the suggestions on here sometimes and Sickbeggar's is on of the more amusing one's.
really? Do many teams with no-one scoring escape relegation then?
You rate him higher than Benteke but you'd sell him for less than half the price? Ah, ok.
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don't give a crap about the price. the benteke money has really helped us out i don't think. I just want a goalscorer
If the money doesn't matter, why do you want to sell him for anyway? Not thought this argument through have you?
Not at all. You seem to equate cost to worth.
Not at all. You said you rated him higher than Benteke but would accept £15m if a bid came in. That doesn't make a great deal of sense really. Besides, who would you bring in to keep us up?
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Already said clampy. I'd get Remy in on loan preferably with Ayew still there. Remy or Ayew likely to get the goals we need? Both of them?
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Already said clampy. I'd get Remy in on loan preferably with Ayew still there. Remy or Ayew likely to get the goals we need? Both of them?
Remy's a good shout, but there's no need to sell Ayew at the moment, it would be a mistake.
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Already said clampy. I'd get Remy in on loan preferably with Ayew still there. Remy or Ayew likely to get the goals we need? Both of them?
Remy's a good shout, but there's no need to sell Ayew at the moment, it would be a mistake.
I don't know the budget, but i'm not hopeful, hence i'd sell ayew now to stay in the premiership in return for the next 6 years of us watching him arsing around for liverpool/chelsea/whoever
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Already said clampy. I'd get Remy in on loan preferably with Ayew still there. Remy or Ayew likely to get the goals we need? Both of them?
Remy's a good shout, but there's no need to sell Ayew at the moment, it would be a mistake.
I don't know the budget, but i'm not hopeful, hence i'd sell ayew now to stay in the premiership in return for the next 6 years of us watching him arsing around for liverpool/chelsea/whoever
But selling him won't guarantee us staying up. Keeping him wouldn't either but he showed the other day he can whip in a goal from nothing so i'd rather we stuck with him.
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Already said clampy. I'd get Remy in on loan preferably with Ayew still there. Remy or Ayew likely to get the goals we need? Both of them?
Remy's a good shout, but there's no need to sell Ayew at the moment, it would be a mistake.
I don't know the budget, but i'm not hopeful, hence i'd sell ayew now to stay in the premiership in return for the next 6 years of us watching him arsing around for liverpool/chelsea/whoever
But selling him won't guarantee us staying up. Keeping him wouldn't either but he showed the other day he can whip in a goal from nothing so i'd rather we stuck with him.
I know where you're coming from clampy, really i do. Ayew is going to be quality,. a few of us are realising that now. Like i said he's gonna be far better than Benteke. It's a throw of the dice what garde will do. hopefully he has the money to bring in a striker who can do it now, not next season
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But Ayew is the one player who is doing it for us now, this season.
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But Ayew is the one player who is doing it for us now, this season.
I agree with that, but there's not a hope in hell that he will keep us up with his goals at this stage of his career. I don't think anyone's gonna argue with that. 20m in Jan with still a hope of staying up or the same or less in May?
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You're not going to get £20 million for a player with a month of good performances behind him and which mythical two in three striker would join us now?
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You're not going to get £20 million for a player with a month of good performances behind him and which mythical two in three striker would join us now?
Already said i 'd take Remy on loan and while not perhaps 2 in 3, i think he'd give us something we haven't had for a long while. A direct striker. He'd probably suit Gestade for a start. Obviously them 2 and ayew would be preferable
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You're not going to get £20 million for a player with a month of good performances behind him and which mythical two in three striker would join us now?
Already said i 'd take Remy on loan and while not perhaps 2 in 3, i think he'd give us something we haven't had for a long while. A direct striker. He'd probably suit Gestade for a start. Obviously them 2 and ayew would be preferable
The Ayew you want to sell?
No, please don't answer that. It's late. Merry Christmas.
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You're not going to get £20 million for a player with a month of good performances behind him and which mythical two in three striker would join us now?
Already said i 'd take Remy on loan and while not perhaps 2 in 3, i think he'd give us something we haven't had for a long while. A direct striker. He'd probably suit Gestade for a start. Obviously them 2 and ayew would be preferable
I'd like Remy on loan as well and it sounds nice enough but Chelsea have got to agree to it first and even then, we wouldn't need to sell Ayew.
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You're not going to get £20 million for a player with a month of good performances behind him and which mythical two in three striker would join us now?
Already said i 'd take Remy on loan and while not perhaps 2 in 3, i think he'd give us something we haven't had for a long while. A direct striker. He'd probably suit Gestade for a start. Obviously them 2 and ayew would be preferable
The Ayew you want to sell?
No, please don't answer that. It's late. Merry Christmas.
I'd bloody keep him. I thought i'd made that clear. but considering we're 20m short of a premiership side, god knows how many points from safety, and Lerner isn't gonna bail us out, there are times when, y'know...
A Merry Christmas to you as well. I'm not religious so don't celebrate it, but a Happy christmas to all Godbotherers on here
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You're not going to get £20 million for a player with a month of good performances behind him and which mythical two in three striker would join us now?
Already said i 'd take Remy on loan and while not perhaps 2 in 3, i think he'd give us something we haven't had for a long while. A direct striker. He'd probably suit Gestade for a start. Obviously them 2 and ayew would be preferable
The Ayew you want to sell?
No, please don't answer that. It's late. Merry Christmas.
I'd bloody keep him. I thought i'd made that clear. but considering we're 20m short of a premiership side, god knows how many points from safety, and Lerner isn't gonna bail us out, there are times when, y'know...
A Merry Christmas to you as well. I'm not religious so don't celebrate it, but a Happy christmas to all Godbotherers on here
Lovely. While I am non religious too, there is no need for the latter insult to those who are.
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I was getting excited thinking we had agreed a deal with someone only to find that there are posts about selling our most effective forward to buy another forward to stay up????
What about we keep Ayew and sell some of the other dross for peanuts and then sign another forward to play alongside Ayew?
Oh and as an atheist, I wish you all a very Merry Christmas.
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That's two comma merchants. What's all that about?
Are sick beggars and con men likely bed-fellows?
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Lots of Xmas spirit appears to have been drunk.
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Lots of Xmas spirit appears to have been drunk.
Some of it appears to have been vomited back up again as well.
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Lol....
Telegraph reporting Mandanda talks. Looks a good keeper so fingers crossed.
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Who realistically thinks we would get anywhere near £20m for Ayew? He's scored 4 goals hasn't he? Hardly setting the world alight. We would be lucky to get £9m back at the moment.
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Lots of Xmas spirit appears to have been drunk.
Some of it appears to have been vomited back up again as well.
Ha, ha. Yes, indeed.
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We would get about 12 I reckon. But we should be looking to get people in not let or best forwards go!!
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I almost can't believe I watched Stoke bring Charlie Adam on for the last 25 minutes against Man Utd and thought I wish we'd got him in our squad.
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These are dark days indeed.
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I would love to know what Lerner's thinking, spend a bucket load and try to stay up or accept what looks inevitable.
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I would love to know what Lerner's thinking, spend a bucket load and try to stay up or accept what looks inevitable.
Do you think Lerner is capable of making a 'right' decision? He certainly hasn't made one in the last 5 years....
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I would love to know what Lerner's thinking, spend a bucket load and try to stay up or accept what looks inevitable.
The points haul from the next 2 games will decide this I think. 6 and he'll really go for it, 3 or less and he'll be thinking of the Championship.
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According to the Sunday Sun so undoubtedly bullshit.
Gabriel Agbonlahor is set to leave Aston Villa in a cut-price £3m move to the United Arab Emirates, where three clubs are reported to have interest in the striker
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Sunday Star
Aston Villa will offer QPR £8m for striker Charlie Austin, 26, in the January transfer window.
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Sunday Mirror
Aston Villa are looking to sign Croatia goalkeeper Lovre Kalinic from Hajduk Split and he could be available for £3m.
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Sunday Star
Aston Villa will offer QPR £8m for striker Charlie Austin, 26, in the January transfer window.
This'll annoy me. We had all summer to get him.
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Sunday Star
Aston Villa will offer QPR £8m for striker Charlie Austin, 26, in the January transfer window.
This'll annoy me. We had all summer to get him.
never goin to happen
well documented austin has said he wont go to a team fighting relegation
plus he waits until the end of the season he is a free agent
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I think he will bring a striker in, because we need one as it appears he doesn't rate Kozak and we can't rely on Gestede.
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Sunday Star
Aston Villa will offer QPR £8m for striker Charlie Austin, 26, in the January transfer window.
This'll annoy me. We had all summer to get him.
never goin to happen
well documented austin has said he wont go to a team fighting relegation
plus he waits until the end of the season he is a free agent
Larf. Aye, that's possibly the definition of mission impossible to persuade him to come here. We can offer him literally nothing.
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Sunday Star
Aston Villa will offer QPR £8m for striker Charlie Austin, 26, in the January transfer window.
This'll annoy me. We had all summer to get him.
never goin to happen
well documented austin has said he wont go to a team fighting relegation
plus he waits until the end of the season he is a free agent
Larf. Aye, that's possibly the definition of mission impossible to persuade him to come here. We can offer him literally nothing.
But you think we can get Remy?
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Sunday Star
Aston Villa will offer QPR £8m for striker Charlie Austin, 26, in the January transfer window.
This'll annoy me. We had all summer to get him.
never goin to happen
well documented austin has said he wont go to a team fighting relegation
plus he waits until the end of the season he is a free agent
Larf. Aye, that's possibly the definition of mission impossible to persuade him to come here. We can offer him literally nothing.
But you think we can get Remy?
Remy would be here for 5 months on loan, and would get into the transfer market spotlight by playing. Bit of a difference compared to Austin who would be stuck in the championship with us if we went down, would have to agree to lose millions he'd get leaving on a free to sign for us and has currently probably already been tapped up by half the premiership with a view to joining in May. Now if we could get Austin on loan then maybe he could be persuaded but i can't see what's it in for his current club.
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The only way Remy would possibly come here is if Chelsea brought another striker in.
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The only way Remy would possibly come here is if Chelsea brought another striker in.
I agree and i think that will happen.
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According to the Sunday Sun so undoubtedly bullshit.
Gabriel Agbonlahor is set to leave Aston Villa in a cut-price £3m move to the United Arab Emirates, where three clubs are reported to have interest in the striker
I take it they are nightclubs rather than football clubs?
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Sunday Star
Aston Villa will offer QPR £8m for striker Charlie Austin, 26, in the January transfer window.
This'll annoy me. We had all summer to get him.
never goin to happen
well documented austin has said he wont go to a team fighting relegation
plus he waits until the end of the season he is a free agent
Larf. Aye, that's possibly the definition of mission impossible to persuade him to come here. We can offer him literally nothing.
A load of cash and a favourable release clause = can't lose for him.
The thought of swapping Gabby for Austin and £5M net is intoxicating.
Footstamper, I'll admit in the summer I wasn't keen on signing Austin, but in hindsight him + an extra £6-8M instead of Gestede would almost certainly have been good business, despite all conventional wisdom saying £12-14M, which I seem to recall being the figures being bandied about, being way too much to pay.
Bollocks, means I owe silhil an apology on that one, as it looks like he actually called something right on that one.
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Is Beckford available?
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Is Beckford available?
😁At it again!😁
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We need to buy young and hungry players who will be ready for next season, no matter what division were in.
Button, Bidwell, Byram, Keane, Cousins, Hughes, Bamford, Bentley, Mowatt, Andre Gray.
We need to plan ahead and be ready.
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According to the Sunday Sun so undoubtedly bullshit.
Gabriel Agbonlahor is set to leave Aston Villa in a cut-price £3m move to the United Arab Emirates, where three clubs are reported to have interest in the striker
I take it they are nightclubs rather than football clubs?
Gabby probably thinks that the UAE is out by Coleshill or Marston Green as opposed to the Middle East of the fucking world.
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Ah, a bit of Gabby bashing. Ok, he has not delivered but why have a go at the bloke?
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We've more chance of Remi Moses. People need to get real in this window.
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According to the Sunday Sun so undoubtedly bullshit.
Gabriel Agbonlahor is set to leave Aston Villa in a cut-price £3m move to the United Arab Emirates, where three clubs are reported to have interest in the striker
I take it they are nightclubs rather than football clubs?
Gabby probably thinks that the UAE is out by Coleshill or Marston Green as opposed to the Middle East of the fucking world.
just tell him there is a nandos there and it will be fine
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Sunday Star
Aston Villa will offer QPR £8m for striker Charlie Austin, 26, in the January transfer window.
This'll annoy me. We had all summer to get him.
never goin to happen
well documented austin has said he wont go to a team fighting relegation
plus he waits until the end of the season he is a free agent
Larf. Aye, that's possibly the definition of mission impossible to persuade him to come here. We can offer him literally nothing.
A load of cash and a favourable release clause = can't lose for him.
The thought of swapping Gabby for Austin and £5M net is intoxicating.
Footstamper, I'll admit in the summer I wasn't keen on signing Austin, but in hindsight him + an extra £6-8M instead of Gestede would almost certainly have been good business, despite all conventional wisdom saying £12-14M, which I seem to recall being the figures being bandied about, being way too much to pay.
Bollocks, means I owe silhil an apology on that one, as it looks like he actually called something right on that one.
bugger me why would austin want to come?
his goals to games ratio would turn to shit and money wise he can be a free agent in the summer and get a massive signing on fee
the clue is in his statement: "i dont want to go to a club battling relegation"
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According to the Sunday Sun so undoubtedly bullshit.
Gabriel Agbonlahor is set to leave Aston Villa in a cut-price £3m move to the United Arab Emirates, where three clubs are reported to have interest in the striker
I take it they are nightclubs rather than football clubs?
Gabby probably thinks that the UAE is out by Coleshill or Marston Green as opposed to the Middle East of the fucking world.
just tell him there is a nandos there and it will be fine
Luckily there is a Nandos in one of the shopping malls in Dubai.
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Any links to more fullbacks? Bacuna and Hutton are wank.
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Sunday Star
Aston Villa will offer QPR £8m for striker Charlie Austin, 26, in the January transfer window.
This'll annoy me. We had all summer to get him.
never goin to happen
well documented austin has said he wont go to a team fighting relegation
plus he waits until the end of the season he is a free agent
Larf. Aye, that's possibly the definition of mission impossible to persuade him to come here. We can offer him literally nothing.
A load of cash and a favourable release clause = can't lose for him.
The thought of swapping Gabby for Austin and £5M net is intoxicating.
Footstamper, I'll admit in the summer I wasn't keen on signing Austin, but in hindsight him + an extra £6-8M instead of Gestede would almost certainly have been good business, despite all conventional wisdom saying £12-14M, which I seem to recall being the figures being bandied about, being way too much to pay.
Bollocks, means I owe silhil an apology on that one, as it looks like he actually called something right on that one.
bugger me why would austin want to come?
his goals to games ratio would turn to shit and money wise he can be a free agent in the summer and get a massive signing on fee
the clue is in his statement: "i dont want to go to a club battling relegation"
I'm not saying that we could sign Austin I realy don't know
But why do people keep on believing what footballers say, I would have thought our experience with Delph went to show you can't believe a word most of them say so it's best not believing anything
So I don't give a damn what he said about relegation sides I bet there would be a way of changing his mind if we wanted too which would probably involve lots of cash which I doubt we will do
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We're not really battling relegation, are we?
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We're not really battling relegation, are we?
Kind of just poking it gently
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We're not really battling relegation, are we?
Kind of just poking it gently
At the moment, I'd say we're giving it a big hug and thinking about inviting it in for a nightcap.
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We're not really battling relegation, are we?
More sort of pavement dancing without any real intention of letting it get anywhere near actual fisticuffs.
From the other side of the street.
Which us actually the Hagley Road.
During rush hour.
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We're not really battling relegation, are we?
Kind of just poking it gently
At the moment, I'd say we're giving it a big hug and thinking about inviting it in for a nightcap.
That's so out of date, we've whatsapp'd it inviting it round to "netflix and chill".
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We're battling a deep-rooted malaise. We've been badly run now for several years and the result is a squad riddled with players who probably don't give a fuck about the club.
Guzan - knows he is going to be replaced ASAP
Hutton - ex bomb squad.
Richards - Sherwood's boy
Steer - who he?
Ilori - ditto
Crespo - ditto
Senderos - ditto
Kozak - ditto
Baker - on the naughty step
Cissokho - ditto
Bennett - ditto
Cole - ditto
Agbonlahor - doesn't seem to give a fuck
N'Zogbia - ditto
In the last few years we have seen the following recruited and then discarded: Lowton, Stevens, Luna, Sylla, El Ahmadi, Tonev, Holman. Makoun, Helenius, Bowery.
We are arguably the biggest club in the second city yet we are being outperformed by the likes of Crystal Palace, Bournemouth, West Brom, Stoke and Swansea.
We're a clusterfuck not overseen by our illustrious leader Mr Lerner.
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We're battling a deep-rooted malaise. We've been badly run now for several years and the result is a squad riddled with players who probably don't give a fuck about the club.
Guzan - knows he is going to be replaced ASAP
Hutton - ex bomb squad.
Richards - Sherwood's boy
Steer - who he?
Ilori - ditto
Crespo - ditto
Senderos - ditto
Kozak - ditto
Baker - on the naughty step
Cissokho - ditto
Bennett - ditto
Cole - ditto
Agbonlahor - doesn't seem to give a fuck
N'Zogbia - ditto
In the last few years we have seen the following recruited and then discarded: Lowton, Stevens, Luna, Sylla, El Ahmadi, Tonev, Holman. Makoun, Helenius, Bowery.
We are arguably the biggest club in the second city yet we are being outperformed by the likes of Crystal Palace, Bournemouth, West Brom, Stoke and Swansea.
We're a clusterfuck not overseen by our illustrious leader Mr Lerner.
Hangonaminute - ARGUABLY!?
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You're not going to get £20 million for a player with a month of good performances behind him and which mythical two in three striker would join us now?
Already said i 'd take Remy on loan and while not perhaps 2 in 3, i think he'd give us something we haven't had for a long while. A direct striker. He'd probably suit Gestade for a start. Obviously them 2 and ayew would be preferable
The Ayew you want to sell?
No, please don't answer that. It's late. Merry Christmas.
I'd bloody keep him. I thought i'd made that clear. but considering we're 20m short of a premiership side, god knows how many points from safety, and Lerner isn't gonna bail us out, there are times when, y'know...
A Merry Christmas to you as well. I'm not religious so don't celebrate it, but a Happy christmas to all Godbotherers on here
Lovely. While I am non religious too, there is no need for the latter insult to those who are.
To be fair if there are one group of people who are deserving of at least our scorn and derision tis those that adhere noisily to any religion?
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Can't we just shake our heads without public derision Peter.
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You're not going to get £20 million for a player with a month of good performances behind him and which mythical two in three striker would join us now?
Already said i 'd take Remy on loan and while not perhaps 2 in 3, i think he'd give us something we haven't had for a long while. A direct striker. He'd probably suit Gestade for a start. Obviously them 2 and ayew would be preferable
The Ayew you want to sell?
No, please don't answer that. It's late. Merry Christmas.
I'd bloody keep him. I thought i'd made that clear. but considering we're 20m short of a premiership side, god knows how many points from safety, and Lerner isn't gonna bail us out, there are times when, y'know...
A Merry Christmas to you as well. I'm not religious so don't celebrate it, but a Happy christmas to all Godbotherers on here
Lovely. While I am non religious too, there is no need for the latter insult to those who are.
To be fair if there are one group of people who are deserving of at least our scorn and derision tis those that adhere noisily to any religion?
Good-natured fun-poking is all fine and well, and you can be as rude as you like about the beliefs and ideas themselves. However, having 'scorn' for 'godbotherers', the actual people, just strikes me as a bit dickish.
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Sunday Star
Aston Villa will offer QPR £8m for striker Charlie Austin, 26, in the January transfer window.
This'll annoy me. We had all summer to get him.
never goin to happen
well documented austin has said he wont go to a team fighting relegation
plus he waits until the end of the season he is a free agent
Larf. Aye, that's possibly the definition of mission impossible to persuade him to come here. We can offer him literally nothing.
A load of cash and a favourable release clause = can't lose for him.
The thought of swapping Gabby for Austin and £5M net is intoxicating.
Footstamper, I'll admit in the summer I wasn't keen on signing Austin, but in hindsight him + an extra £6-8M instead of Gestede would almost certainly have been good business, despite all conventional wisdom saying £12-14M, which I seem to recall being the figures being bandied about, being way too much to pay.
Bollocks, means I owe silhil an apology on that one, as it looks like he actually called something right on that one.
1bugger me why would austin want to come?
2his goals to games ratio would turn to shit and money wise he can be a free agent in the summer and get a massive signing on fee
3the clue is in his statement: "i dont want to go to a club battling relegation"
1. I think I'll pass thanks. It would probably prove to be one of these internet extortion scams I hear about.
2. Well if he's half as good as he thinks he is he'll do OK if Ayew, who most people say isn't suited to playing down the middle, has managed is it 5 in 13 since he got his first against Swansea or 3 in 7 under Garde.
3. Footballer makes statement that can be ignored the moment his head gets turned by more money/better offer/ agent wants his next 10% shocker.
Give him the right get of jail card if (when) the worst happens and there's no reason why you couldn't tempt him.
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We're battling a deep-rooted malaise. We've been badly run now for several years and the result is a squad riddled with players who probably don't give a fuck about the club.
Guzan - knows he is going to be replaced ASAP
Hutton - ex bomb squad.
Richards - Sherwood's boy
Steer - who he?
Ilori - ditto
Crespo - ditto
Senderos - ditto
Kozak - ditto
Baker - on the naughty step
Cissokho - ditto
Bennett - ditto
Cole - ditto
Agbonlahor - doesn't seem to give a fuck
N'Zogbia - ditto
In the last few years we have seen the following recruited and then discarded: Lowton, Stevens, Luna, Sylla, El Ahmadi, Tonev, Holman. Makoun, Helenius, Bowery.
We are arguably the biggest club in the second city yet we are being outperformed by the likes of Crystal Palace, Bournemouth, West Brom, Stoke and Swansea.
We're a clusterfuck not overseen by our illustrious leader Mr Lerner.
Richards apart perhaps, you could have just put 'not good enough' and dittoed the rest.
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It's a Twitter rumour so treat with caution but there's a suggestion we may be in talks with Debuchy for a six month loan move from Arsenal.
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It's a Twitter rumour so treat with caution but there's a suggestion we may be in talks with Debuchy for a six month loan move from Arsenal.
I'd take that. Be great to get Flamini too.
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Debuchy is a good player, but we have bigger issues than Hutton
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You're not going to get £20 million for a player with a month of good performances behind him and which mythical two in three striker would join us now?
Already said i 'd take Remy on loan and while not perhaps 2 in 3, i think he'd give us something we haven't had for a long while. A direct striker. He'd probably suit Gestade for a start. Obviously them 2 and ayew would be preferable
The Ayew you want to sell?
No, please don't answer that. It's late. Merry Christmas.
I'd bloody keep him. I thought i'd made that clear. but considering we're 20m short of a premiership side, god knows how many points from safety, and Lerner isn't gonna bail us out, there are times when, y'know...
A Merry Christmas to you as well. I'm not religious so don't celebrate it, but a Happy christmas to all Godbotherers on here
Lovely. While I am non religious too, there is no need for the latter insult to those who are.
To be fair if there are one group of people who are deserving of at least our scorn and derision tis those that adhere noisily to any religion?
Good-natured fun-poking is all fine and well, and you can be as rude as you like about the beliefs and ideas themselves. However, having 'scorn' for 'godbotherers', the actual people, just strikes me as a bit dickish.
Well i'm sorry you found the term godbotherers offensive Monty. I've always found it a rather jokey term to describe someone of faith with none of the dire consequences attached to it that some of the terms they use for non-believers such as myself have. Its not an anti-christian thing but anyone who believes in a supernatural skypilot, If i offended anyone then apologies but i rather think they're made of sterner stuff myself.
If i was a Christian though, I would find it offensive to be, at best ignored by the rest of the population for 51 weeks of the year and then find during your most sacred festival, every non-believer starts singing your hymns, letting their kids do nativity plays and generally hijacking the whole event so they can have a giant piss-up/shopping spree.
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Can we leave it and get back to how many shit players we might add to the mix in January
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No we cannot.
Why is He flooding The North when no Ark Building guidance has been issued?
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No problem sickbeggar, I sometimes use the word myself and it's all a laugh. Sort of. And I'm not a believer in anything but the Force.
And Adrenachrome, it's because The North is not meant to be saved.
Anyway, can Debuchy play left back too? That would make a bit more sense.
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Gomis wants out of Swansea.
He spent the bulk of his career at Lyon, so that might be one to look at.
If the choice is out of us or semi retirement in the Middle East, he might go for it.
Not an assured goalscoring record, by any means, but surely more of a footballer than Justhead.
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Debuchy was saying a few weeks back that he might leave Arsenal as he needs to be playing regularly in time for the euros.
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Cant see Arsenal letting Debuchy go tbh.
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Debuchy is a good player, but we have bigger issues than Hutton
What does Hutton actually do. I do not think he is any good anywhere near his own penalty area or the opposition penalty area. He runs ok between the two penalty areas but that's about it and that is not enough.
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Gomis gets caught offside more often than Savo.
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No we cannot.
Why is He flooding The North when no Ark Building guidance has been issued?
We ran out of wood generations ago. A combination of acid rain from all the soot and all the healthy trees being chopped down the make clogs.
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Debuchy is a good player, but we have bigger issues than Hutton
What does Hutton actually do. I do not think he is any good anywhere near his own penalty area or the opposition penalty area. He runs ok between the two penalty areas but that's about it and that is not enough.
inclined to agree with you, based on the number of times he gets in attacking position his assist rate is poor.
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A left back and a striker are the absolute priorities, followed by a keeper who doesn't scare us all to death and a leader in midfield that can pick a pass. It's a big ask!
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I've watched Hutton on numerous occasions attack down the wing like a man possessed then run out of legs when they counter attack, he will cost us more goals than he assists.
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Hutton cost us goals against Watford, Arsenal and West Ham. Thats 4-6 points he has cost us.
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If Cissako returns then get Hutton out of the team by moving Bacuna to RB. We lose nothing by doing that other than liability.
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Hutton cost us goals against Watford, Arsenal and West Ham. Thats 4-6 points he has cost us.
I'm also of the opinion that Hutton is a liability, albeit a hard working one. His positional sense is absolutely awful.
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Hutton cost us goals against Watford, Arsenal and West Ham. Thats 4-6 points he has cost us.
He was left completely exposed on Saturday by there being no midfield cover in front of him, which was a result of us being slow to adjust after the loss of Sanchez.
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Hutton cost us goals against Watford, Arsenal and West Ham. Thats 4-6 points he has cost us.
He was left completely exposed on Saturday by there being no midfield cover in front of him, which was a result of us being slow to adjust after the loss of Sanchez.
By the time the ball was struck Gil was in the centre back position. I'm not disagreeing with the point over all but between them they got themselves in a right muddle.
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If Cissako returns then get Hutton out of the team by moving Bacuna to RB. We lose nothing by doing that other than liability.
Whilst I agree to an extent, Bacuna is equally useless defensively.
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I'd prefer that Richards gets moved to right back and we persevere with Okore a bit longer.
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Hutton was exposed but made no effort to move towards the player to try and push him wide to hold up play for others to get back
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Hutton drove me mad against West Ham , always out of position when defending and a total waste in attacking positions as he can't cross the road, he would be the first one to drop in my book.
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I'd prefer that Richards gets moved to right back and we persevere with Okore a bit longer.
I completely agree.
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Remi Garde has to tell Richards to play at RB and he needs to buy a FIT left back in the window. After he has bought a GK.
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Hutton was exposed but made no effort to move towards the player to try and push him wide to hold up play for others to get back
Hutton should never have stood off Cresswell in the way that he did. With the modern light ball you can't give people a free whack from 25 yards.
Most opposition attacks are coming down our right flank, there is a reason why.
I'd add the onside ball watching at Newcastle to the recent list of his costly mistakes. I sort of admire him for getting past the bomb squad/new contract circus but the truth is that he is a very limited player and a significant liability.
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Hutton was geeing up the crowd and giving it a go as he does every match. He's actually doing more than left backs . Hutton puts his hands up outstretched calling for ball , gets forward but lacks final ball quality and isn't afforded defensive cover. Full backs these days are more about attacking especially depending on formation and hutton is there to provide width.
It is frustrating to see the crossing failing time and again. And also that crosses and shots come from his defensive errors. Final thing I have to say is that Alan hutton looks like he just wants to play football and is passionately playing . He was dropped and left out of things altogether a few seasons back so, I think his effort and application is great testament to his character. Hutton gives it a go and considering he wasn't playing prem league for a while he seems grateful just to be playing. Good pro and improved disciplinary I'll go out on a limb and say need players like hutton at this time. He does need defennsive cover and midfielder ahead of him to track back.
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Hutton cost us goals against Watford, Arsenal and West Ham. Thats 4-6 points he has cost us.
He was left completely exposed on Saturday by there being no midfield cover in front of him, which was a result of us being slow to adjust after the loss of Sanchez.
I may be alone in this thought and being harsh but I thought Guzans positioning was slightly off for their goal too. Hutton was sliding across and Cresswell was always going to shoot across goal , Guzan needed to be half a pace to his left IMO.
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If you remember the start of the West Ham game, they attacked down Hutton's side straight away and it's no surprise it's that side of the pitch is where the goal eventually came from. I like his hard work, commitment and the fact that he bombs forward and for that alone it would almost be a shame to drop him, but he's such a mediocre defender.
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His primary purpose in the team is to perform defensive duties competently. The attacking side of the game is secondary, otherwise you may as well play Bacuna there all of the time.
It looks to me that he enjoys the easy part of the game i.e. running freely with the ball but does not want to put the hard yards in. This is why I do not agree with those that say he puts a lot of effort in. Add this to defensive positioning and not knowing when to cross or being able to direct a cross and you have a player that needs replacing quickly. He wastes so much of our possession.
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Hutton was exposed but made no effort to move towards the player to try and push him wide to hold up play for others to get back
Hutton should never have stood off Cresswell in the way that he did. With the modern light ball you can't give people a free whack from 25 yards.
Most opposition attacks are coming down our right flank, there is a reason why.
I'd add the onside ball watching at Newcastle to the recent list of his costly mistakes. I sort of admire him for getting past the bomb squad/new contract circus but the truth is that he is a very limited player and a significant liability.
It's a tough one as a full back. If he had got closer to him he risks him nipping past and putting the side in more trouble and getting slagged off for over committing. That is why defenders should not be left one on one. He could, possibly, have done a little better but the main problem was one of organisation and leaving him exposed.
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Agree with all points about Hutton he does work hard but that i expect as a pre requisite, his attitude is also very good but his application and ability is lousy. I too would prefer Bacuna at RB as i think he offers a lot more in all elements of the RB role. Im not sure Richards at RB would offer anything better going forward as i cont remember him being a decent crosser of the ball.
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Agree with all points about Hutton he does work hard but that i expect as a pre requisite, his attitude is also very good but his application and ability is lousy. I too would prefer Bacuna at RB as i think he offers a lot more in all elements of the RB role. Im not sure Richards at RB would offer anything better going forward as i cont remember him being a decent crosser of the ball.
Bacuna is probably the best crosser of the ball we have, from that right side anyway. Maybe playing him in front of Hutton may be an idea once a new left back comes in.
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Hutton was exposed but made no effort to move towards the player to try and push him wide to hold up play for others to get back
Hutton should never have stood off Cresswell in the way that he did. With the modern light ball you can't give people a free whack from 25 yards.
Most opposition attacks are coming down our right flank, there is a reason why.
I'd add the onside ball watching at Newcastle to the recent list of his costly mistakes. I sort of admire him for getting past the bomb squad/new contract circus but the truth is that he is a very limited player and a significant liability.
It's a tough one as a full back. If he had got closer to him he risks him nipping past and putting the side in more trouble and getting slagged off for over committing. That is why defenders should not be left one on one. He could, possibly, have done a little better but the main problem was one of organisation and leaving him exposed.
He was miles out of position, I can't beleive that was down to organisation. He was past the penalty spot on the left hand side of the pitch, no right back should be that far across particularly when 30 years from his own goal. He got pulled towards the ball which allowed Cresswell the time and space to pick where he would hit his shot. Positionally and tactically very naive.
Like others I can't fault his effort and like the lad but he is costing us goals just like Richardson was. A rejig or replacement is vital in my opinion.
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Hutton sums up the Villa side. He tries his best but is a little bit shit. File under Guzan, Bacuna, Westwood, Gestede and with Lescott finished that's over half the first team who are pants and is why we are going down. Richards should be playing right back.
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Remi Garde has to tell Richards to play at RB and he needs to buy a FIT left back in the window. After he has bought a GK.
Maybe he has, and Richards is staying 'injured' until a CB gets injured and he's needed there ;-)
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Hutton sums up the Villa side. He tries his best but is a little bit shit. File under Guzan, Bacuna, Westwood, Gestede and with Lescott finished that's over half the first team who are pants and is why we are going down. Richards should be playing right back.
Agree with most of this. Our players try their best but they're just not good enough for this level and they're dragging us down to the Championship. We've had nearly 6 seasons of buying substandard players and it's finally coming home to roost.
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Hutton sums up the Villa side. He tries his best but is a little bit shit. File under Guzan, Bacuna, Westwood, Gestede and with Lescott finished that's over half the first team who are pants and is why we are going down. Richards should be playing right back.
Agree with most of this. Our players try their best but they're just not good enough for this level and they're dragging us down to the Championship. We've he nearly 6 seasons of buying substandard players and it's finally coming home to roost.
The established players we have aren't good enough, and the good players we have aren't ready yet. It's a frustrating and doomed mixture.
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Hutton sums up the Villa side. He tries his best but is a little bit shit. File under Guzan, Bacuna, Westwood, Gestede and with Lescott finished that's over half the first team who are pants and is why we are going down. Richards should be playing right back.
Agree with most of this. Our players try their best but they're just not good enough for this level and they're dragging us down to the Championship. We've had nearly 6 seasons of buying substandard players and it's finally coming home to roost.
this
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We're down so buying anyone in January would be folly. Paying premiership wages to attract players who will be plying their trade in the Championship come May is stupid. Leave it till the end of season because at least we'll know who we can get rid of, and who will be poached in the firesale
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if Blunderland and the Jawdies go with us it's going to be very very hard to get out
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if Blunderland and the Jawdies go with us it's going to be very very hard to get out
To be fair, if three clubs deserve to go down it's all three of us. Absolute shithouses at the moment. Stinking, awful, hideous, repulsive shithouses. We're each a rotting, festering trap at the end of a backwater pub with no working lock that someone shat their guts all over, 5 years ago and no one has had the desire to clean it since. They just propped an out of order sign on until some dopey bastard decides he wants to buy a shit pub that is in danger of being beyond repair.
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Completely agree Tom, the promoted teams deserve to stay up and get the cash bonanza as they've all attacked the prem brilliantly.
Us and the North east lot have been horribly run for years, I'd imagine most neutrals would be hoping the bottom 3 stays as it is.
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They do indeed. Allardyce will bring Sunderland back. McLaren with one of the best attacking sides in the Championship, managed to finish outside of the play offs last season.
This January we need to not spend silly money
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His primary purpose in the team is to perform defensive duties competently. The attacking side of the game is secondary, otherwise you may as well play Bacuna there all of the time.
It looks to me that he enjoys the easy part of the game i.e. running freely with the ball but does not want to put the hard yards in. This is why I do not agree with those that say he puts a lot of effort in. Add this to defensive positioning and not knowing when to cross or being able to direct a cross and you have a player that needs replacing quickly. He wastes so much of our possession.
Agree with this, Hutton gets forward well but his crossing is mediocre and then he just seems content to jog back to his proper position, if at all rather than busting a gut to get back. If he really gave a damn he'd practice putting some whip, dip pace and swerve on his crosses in training.
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Us and the North east lot have been horribly run for years, I'd imagine most neutrals would be hoping the bottom 3 stays as it is.
And to further rub it in for the long suffering fans, Boro will come up as champions and Blues via the play-offs...
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Just what was the point of signing these 2 in the summer:-
1) Tiago Illori
On a season long loan from Liverpool, with an option to buy at what £7 million? Injured when he came and has made, I think, one appearance on the subs bench. Can't see the option to buy being taken up after relegation. Should the Loan agreement allow send him back now and free up a Loan slot for someone who can go straight into the first team.
2) Crespo.
Bought for under £1 million. Said to be able to play in any of the back 4 positions. Yet he is not tried at left back after Amavi's injury. He must be as bad as Kinsella appears to be.
They could not even get in today's squad at Norwich when several who played Saturday were rested or injured.
Put both on the exit list along with Joe Cole, N'Zogbia, etc, and free up spaces in the New 25 man squad list at the end of the January window.
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Ilori, Crespo and Kozak really puzzle me. They must be really shit in training to not even warrant a look in amongst the current match day squad if no-hopers
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I'm now at a point of thinking that it's best not to bother throwing stupid money at players in the vague hope of staying up. If somebody is available who Remi thinks can do a job next season, then by all means bring them in. If not, I want to see the current squad suffer the embarrassment of the remaining matches
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I'm now at a point of thinking that it's best not to bother throwing stupid money at players in the vague hope of staying up. If somebody is available who are I thinks can do a job next season, then by all means bring them in. If not, I want to see the current squad suffer the embarrassment of the remaining matches
Agreed.
If we have to.........
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Targets in January or in the summer.....
Sam Byram
Michael Keane
James Chester (not playing at all at WBA)
Austin (well he's happy enough to play in the championship for QPR)
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Targets in January or in the summer.....
Sam Byram
Michael Keane
James Chester (not playing at all at WBA)
Austin (well he's happy enough to play in the championship for QPR)
austin? jesus wept
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Llori, Crespo and Kozak must be supremely shit not to get in this squad, who for my money are the very worst we've seen in my entire lifetime (first game 1978)
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How many times are people going to suggest Austin despite many pointing out he is in the last year of his contract and has no intention of joining a club in a relegation fight, although it could be argued we are not.
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it would take stupid money and a gold-plated relegation get-out clause for Austin to join
Unless his ego can be stroked into thinking he'd be an all time legend if he got Villa out if this mess, this transfer ain't happening
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Austin was more if he's happy playing for QPR in the championship, he might be happy playing for us in the championship with slightly higher wages. I accept it's as realistic as Remy turning up here.
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Start at the back and move up. A keeper Marshall of Cardiff or Heaton of Burnley.
Would have a proper punt Sam Byrom of Leeds.
Two forwards both of whom know where the goal is - Gray of Burnley and Austin. The fall back reserve would be Naysmith of Everton.
I would try anything right now.
The problem is negotiating contracts with prospective players knowing we are just about kaput.
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Start at the back and move up. A keeper Marshall of Cardiff or Heaton of Burnley.
Would have a proper punt Sam Byrom of Leeds.
Two forwards both of whom know where the goal is - Gray of Burnley and Austin. The fall back reserve would be Naysmith of Everton.
I would try anything right now.
The problem is negotiating contracts with prospective players knowing we are just about kaput.
The other problem to consider is that Neither Garde or his staff will have a scooby doo on talent in the lower leagues or suitable players to get us out of the Championship. He will be relying on our transfer committee which of course has an exemplary record in the market to date......
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Start at the back and move up. A keeper Marshall of Cardiff or Heaton of Burnley.
Would have a proper punt Sam Byrom of Leeds.
Two forwards both of whom know where the goal is - Gray of Burnley and Austin. The fall back reserve would be Naysmith of Everton.
I would try anything right now.
The problem is negotiating contracts with prospective players knowing we are just about kaput.
The other problem to consider is that Neither Garde or his staff will have a scooby doo on talent in the lower leagues or suitable players to get us out of the Championship. He will be relying on our transfer committee which of course has an exemplary record in the market to date......
Richards, Amavi, Ayew, Veretout, Gana (not today I admit) and Adama are our best players. All brought in this year by "the comittee".
It's the dirge shit that we have continued to play year in, year out that has killed us over the past 5 years. Westwood, Hutton, Bacuna, Guzan, Richardson, Clark, Gabby etc. All fucking useless and when we sell our best players each year, these twats remain and actually get promoted into first team positions.
I'm happy with 'the committee'. I was very pleased with our summer signings, it was the direction we should have gone with years ago. The players we brought in are good solid PL players (for the most part). We just never had the backing from that twat Lerner to finish the repair job this summer. It was clear we wanted many more players in but due to lack of funds we rushed to sign Lescott, Crespo, Ilori, Gestede for pennies to actually fill the squad.
Clearly we still wanted a proper keeper, centre-half, right-back, midfielder and striker in the summer but once the net spend hit £0 Randy hit the panic button and instead of chasing proper targets like Begovic we ended up with either some cheap shit to go along with the Cole, Senderos, Richardson signings of the world or nobody at all. This is all on Lerners head. If we can retain our best players, finally dump some of the shit and get backed in the summer window, there's no reason why we can't come straight back up.
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The other problem to consider is that Neither Garde or his staff will have a scooby doo on talent in the lower leagues or suitable players to get us out of the Championship. He will be relying on our transfer committee which of course has an exemplary record in the market to date......
Nor have Karaoke or the chap from Real Madrid yet they're the managers currently at the top of the table. More to the point I don't think there is a secret recipe for success at that level which would not work at a higher or lower lever, simply identifying good players is the key. Hopefully the combination of Garde and Reilly can do that.
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I think the clear out starts now. The relegation clauses or lack of is going to play a massive part in what happens next. So if Richardson and Gabby for example don't have one we are going to have them sitting it out on the Payroll. Worse will be if Ayew has one then he could be off at a knock down price. I am sure these idiots have managed to get the worst of both worlds.
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Start at the back and move up. A keeper Marshall of Cardiff or Heaton of Burnley.
Would have a proper punt Sam Byrom of Leeds.
Two forwards both of whom know where the goal is - Gray of Burnley and Austin. The fall back reserve would be Naysmith of Everton.
I would try anything right now.
The problem is negotiating contracts with prospective players knowing we are just about kaput.
The other problem to consider is that Neither Garde or his staff will have a scooby doo on talent in the lower leagues or suitable players to get us out of the Championship. He will be relying on our transfer committee which of course has an exemplary record in the market to date......
Richards, Amavi, Ayew, Veretout, Gana (not today I admit) and Adama are our best players. All brought in this year by "the comittee".
It's the dirge shit that we have continued to play year in, year out that has killed us over the past 5 years. Westwood, Hutton, Bacuna, Guzan, Richardson, Clark, Gabby etc. All fucking useless and when we sell our best players each year, these twats remain and actually get promoted into first team positions.
I'm happy with 'the committee'. I was very pleased with our summer signings, it was the direction we should have gone with years ago. The players we brought in are good solid PL players (for the most part). We just never had the backing from that twat Lerner to finish the repair job this summer. It was clear we wanted many more players in but due to lack of funds we rushed to sign Lescott, Crespo, Ilori, Gestede for pennies to actually fill the squad.
Clearly we still wanted a proper keeper, centre-half, right-back, midfielder and striker in the summer but once the net spend hit £0 Randy hit the panic button and instead of chasing proper targets like Begovic we ended up with either some cheap shit to go along with the Cole, Senderos, Richardson signings of the world or nobody at all. This is all on Lerners head. If we can retain our best players, finally dump some of the shit and get backed in the summer window, there's no reason why we can't come straight back up.
Gana and Traore are two of our best players? Are you joking? Traore looks like he doesn't have a fucking clue how to play in a competitive match, he's unaware of everyone else on the pitch and Gana looks to me like he's almost given up and has started hiding.
The only decent summer signings have been Veretout who is slowly growing in to it and Ayew who looks like he has heart, spirit and ability. Amavi may turn out good but has hardly played just yet. The rest look crap.
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Llori, Crespo and Kozak must be supremely shit not to get in this squad, who for my money are the very worst we've seen in my entire lifetime (first game 1978)
I wonder what the fuck is going on with those three.
Especially Kozak.
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The only players I'd be sad to lose from this year's collection of shit are Richards, Amavi, Veretout and Ayew. The rest can all sling it. Fucking hopeless
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Riddle me this: Are we better signing a few 'names' whilst we have premiership status and deal with their likely under-enthusiasm next season (I'm thinking Toulalan/Cole/Manadanda type status - probably on 3 year deals) or should we wait until next season and sign players who may not be recognised (i.e. lesser known quality) but know what they're joining?
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Llori, Crespo and Kozak must be supremely shit not to get in this squad, who for my money are the very worst we've seen in my entire lifetime (first game 1978)
I wonder what the fuck is going on with those three.
Especially Kozak.
Just another 3 to add to the Randy Lerner shit/pointless signings list
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Dante, I would be amazed if anyone with the right attitude or ability would join a club who are certain for relegation, on 8 points and on a club record bad run.
We need to bite the bullet this season I fear and reap the storm we've sown or It will probably be even more cash down the pan.
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I'm now at a point of thinking that it's best not to bother throwing stupid money at players in the vague hope of staying up. If somebody is available who Remi thinks can do a job next season, then by all means bring them in. If not, I want to see the current squad suffer the embarrassment of the remaining matches
If we lose at Sunderland then I agree. We'd be better off spending the window trying to offload the bigger earners who bring nothing to the table.
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Dante, I would be amazed if anyone with the right attitude or ability would join a club who are certain for relegation, on 8 points and on a club record bad run.
We need to bite the bullet this season I fear and reap the storm we've sown or It will probably be even more cash down the pan.
I'm in two minds. The thought of signing a 'Barry' who knows his legs are going but would have too much quality in the Championship next season is tempting. As you've said on another thread, the spine of our team is all over the place and the opportunity to rebuild that whilst we can attract players with a bit of a reputation should not be ignored. The problem is whether these players will be suitably motivated this season and beyond.
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I think our rep has taken such a bashing the last few years that we would be seen as toxic right now. I just can't see myself anyone of any worth signing for us from the Premier League. I hope I'm wrong and some rabbits are pulled out of the hat by Garde but I expect we will just pull Blues out of a used johnny as usual.
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Dante, I would be amazed if anyone with the right attitude or ability would join a club who are certain for relegation, on 8 points and on a club record bad run.
We need to bite the bullet this season I fear and reap the storm we've sown or It will probably be even more cash down the pan.
I'm in two minds. The thought of signing a 'Barry' who knows his legs are going but would have too much quality in the Championship next season is tempting. As you've said on another thread, the spine of our team is all over the place and the opportunity to rebuild that whilst we can attract players with a bit of a reputation should not be ignored. The problem is whether these players will be suitably motivated this season and beyond.
I think that any player arriving in January will be doing so knowing that we will in all probability be in the Championship next season and will therefore be accepting that challenge. We will be a big draw to players in that league if we go down and that is where our scouting efforts should be concentrated on now. Try and keep the core of better younger players we have and then add good players from that division.
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Anyone tempted to bring Peter Crouch back? Could surely be a decent striker in the first division.
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I would take Crouch like a shot. Hold the ball well and bring others into the game.
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I happen to think that if we had Crouch instead of Gestede we would have a few more points on the board.
I do agree with a previous poster though it isn't the summer signings (except Gestede) that have been the problem it's the wankers that were bought previously.
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Anyone tempted to bring Peter Crouch back? Could surely be a decent striker in the first division.
Depends if he'll take a fairly large paycut. Must still be on 2m per year. He is contracted for 18 months more.
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I'd be tempted to just look to offload any of the deadwood, Gabby, NZog, etc if possible and build a war chest that we can identify Summer signings with, that's what's really gonna count.
Not much point breaking the bank on mercenary signings now. 11 points from safety with no wins in 18. Prepared is our motto and that's what we must be for next year - now wouldn't that make a change.
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Anyone tempted to bring Peter Crouch back? Could surely be a decent striker in the first division.
Depends if he'll take a fairly large paycut. Must still be on 2m per year. He is contracted for 18 months more.
crouch no thanks
yes he could do a job in the championship but then would i want him leading the line in the prem no
we are down now so for me garde needs to blood some of the under 21's and fuck off the shit that got us here in the first place at least they may show a bit of pride
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Anyone tempted to bring Peter Crouch back? Could surely be a decent striker in the first division.
Depends if he'll take a fairly large paycut. Must still be on 2m per year. He is contracted for 18 months more.
crouch no thanks
yes he could do a job in the championship but then would i want him leading the line in the prem no
we are down now so for me garde needs to blood some of the under 21's and fuck off the shit that got us here in the first place at least they may show a bit of pride
My sentiments entirely, we've been too slow to give the kids a go when the seniors are consistently poor and unfit, I notice yet again yesterday Hutton gave the ball away for the second goal, surely there must be a better option?
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Anyone tempted to bring Peter Crouch back? Could surely be a decent striker in the first division.
Depends if he'll take a fairly large paycut. Must still be on 2m per year. He is contracted for 18 months more.
crouch no thanks
yes he could do a job in the championship but then would i want him leading the line in the prem no
we are down now so for me garde needs to blood some of the under 21's and fuck off the shit that got us here in the first place at least they may show a bit of pride
My sentiments entirely, we've been too slow to give the kids a go when the seniors are consistently poor and unfit, I notice yet again yesterday Hutton gave the ball away for the second goal, surely there must be a better option?
my sentiments entirely, the club needs to be rebuilt and has beens like crouch, both coles, senderos, lescott, richardson looking for one last pay day arent the answer
cant comment on after the game yesterday but its also about time we gave some stick to the useless wankers who have contrived to break literally ever negative record in our great clubs history
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I'd be tempted to just look to offload any of the deadwood, Gabby, NZog, etc if possible and build a war chest that we can identify Summer signings with, that's what's really gonna count.
Not much point breaking the bank on mercenary signings now. 11 points from safety with no wins in 18. Prepared is our motto and that's what we must be for next year - now wouldn't that make a change.
I think we can look to bring in some players that we think will do well in the Championship, maybe some of that league's current best performers. That way we're not having to sign 10+ players in the same window and them needing time to gel.
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Anyone tempted to bring Peter Crouch back? Could surely be a decent striker in the first division.
On loan until the end of the season - yes. As for next season, if we are in the Championship then we should be looking at someone with the potential to score the goals we need not only to get us up, but score regularly in the top flight as well. The lad at Wolves wouldn't be a bad shout.
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I'd be tempted to just look to offload any of the deadwood, Gabby, NZog, etc if possible and build a war chest that we can identify Summer signings with, that's what's really gonna count.
Not much point breaking the bank on mercenary signings now. 11 points from safety with no wins in 18. Prepared is our motto and that's what we must be for next year - now wouldn't that make a change.
I think we can look to bring in some players that we think will do well in the Championship, maybe some of that league's current best performers. That way we're not having to sign 10+ players in the same window and them needing time to gel.
But surely those current best performers are in teams that are either in for automatic promotion or play offs ? Would they come to a team all but down when there's a chance they'll be playing in the Premier next year.
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Anyone tempted to bring Peter Crouch back? Could surely be a decent striker in the first division.
On loan until the end of the season - yes. As for next season, if we are in the Championship then we should be looking at someone with the potential to score the goals we need not only to get us up, but score regularly in the top flight as well. The lad at Wolves wouldn't be a bad shout.
personally i dont see the point of any loan signings, we need to think longer term
we sign a loan player, he cant help us stop up as we are down, then he leaves at the end of the season and we are back to square one
give traore a run, give hepburn murphy a run cant be worse than justhead
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Start the wheels in motion for buying the top players in the teams who don't get promoted at the end of the season and look to play quick attacking football in the championship - the recent teams who have come up do this so I don't think a team full of cloggers is the right answer, although I do think 2 big quick centre backs is an advantage. I'm already discussing with my mate home and away to Leeds..
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Anyone tempted to bring Peter Crouch back? Could surely be a decent striker in the first division.
On loan until the end of the season - yes. As for next season, if we are in the Championship then we should be looking at someone with the potential to score the goals we need not only to get us up, but score regularly in the top flight as well. The lad at Wolves wouldn't be a bad shout.
personally i dont see the point of any loan signings, we need to think longer term
we sign a loan player, he cant help us stop up as we are down, then he leaves at the end of the season and we are back to square one
give traore a run, give hepburn murphy a run cant be worse than justhead
We can't plan for the longer term next month - that will have to wait until the summer when we know our fate. A loan signing would be damage limitation until we reach that point.
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I'd be tempted to just look to offload any of the deadwood, Gabby, NZog, etc if possible and build a war chest that we can identify Summer signings with, that's what's really gonna count.
Not much point breaking the bank on mercenary signings now. 11 points from safety with no wins in 18. Prepared is our motto and that's what we must be for next year - now wouldn't that make a change.
I think we can look to bring in some players that we think will do well in the Championship, maybe some of that league's current best performers. That way we're not having to sign 10+ players in the same window and them needing time to gel.
But surely those current best performers are in teams that are either in for automatic promotion or play offs ? Would they come to a team all but down when there's a chance they'll be playing in the Premier next year.
Depends, if they are young and play for a wanky little club they might think of the longer term prospects. If they are older and playing for someone half decent they'll want to stay, you would imagine.
In terms of loans, no way. Now is the time more than ever to play our own, to build up experience, understanding on the pitch and partnerships. What would be the point of loaning Loic Remy and playing him up front with Ayew only for him to fuck off at the end of the season and us have to spend potentially 2-3 months getting to know who to play Ayew with out of Gestede and Sinclair? I would certainly hope those 3 would be around at least for the first season in the Championship.
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We can't plan for the longer term next month - that will have to wait until the summer when we know our fate. A loan signing would be damage limitation until we reach that point.
A decent loan would help repair and maintain motivation for the remainder of the year and provide some momentum for the following season too.
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The transfer window had changed in the last couple of weeks
If we were 6 points or so of safety, then go out and try and bring in a striker to give us a chance of staying up
As we are 11 points + goal difference adrift and no hope of anything changing soon our mindset has to be different
We don't need now to be spending bucket loads of money, we need to prepare for the championship, and start to bring in players for that challenge whilst giving players on the fringes a go see what they can do
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Out Gabby, Nzogbia, Cole, Crespo, Steer. Kozak, Llori, for starters, Richards will not hang about once we are down nor will some of the better players who will be picked off in the summer. Who would join us in our current position? Who wants a relegation on your CV Remy, no chance. I think if I was delivering the daily paper or the milk to VP I think I would be asking for cash up front.
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The transfer window had changed in the last couple of weeks
If we were 6 points or so of safety, then go out and try and bring in a striker to give us a chance of staying up
As we are 11 points + goal difference adrift and no hope of anything changing soon our mindset has to be different
We don't need now to be spending bucket loads of money, we need to prepare for the championship, and start to bring in players for that challenge whilst giving players on the fringes a go see what they can do
If we start bringing players into the mire we curerently find ourselves in then we risk their confidence being shattered as well. I agree with the second part of the sentence in bold though - use the rest of the season to evaluate the whole playing squad and see who we should be retaining.
Garde could do with copying the approach the much vaunted college American Football coach Urban Meyer has to team problems. I've heard him say that he draws up a list which identifies players who are 'a part of the problem' and those who are 'a part of the solution'. I guess it is easier to do at that level of sport, but he simply discards those who he sees as part of the problem and invests time in those he feels are part of the solution. I wonder what our list would look like?
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Good idea play the kids and destroy them.
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Good idea play the kids and destroy them.
Destroy them? I think they would get a good crack of the whip from the support that's had to watch the incompetent multi millionaires weekly failing at the moment. The pressure is off, we are down, it's not like we are in the thick of a battle any more battling for every valuable point, we need a fucking miracle which isn't going to happen. Bite the bullet and start the planning now for the shitehouse division we find ourselves in next season.
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Surely Gestede & Sinclair going on previous evidence will score goals aplenty in the Championship.
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Surely Gestede & Sinclair going on previous evidence will score goals aplenty in the Championship.
They've both had 1 really good season and that's it. I wouldn't trust either of them and would rather we rebuild without shite like them. Sinclair looks like he can't be arsed and Rudy is a pantomime horse.
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Good idea play the kids and destroy them.
if they are good enough they are old enough, vassell, hendrie, samuel, the moore brothers all played well before 21
half of our kids will be 25 and fathers and we will still be saying the arent ready.
this is the opportunity to see if they are good enough, if they are fine if not get them loaned out or sold
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What if we simply don't have many good ones? Lyden should have a shot in midfield, but then we should also be giving Gardner a run too if he is fit.
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What if we simply don't have many good ones? Lyden should have a shot in midfield, but then we should also be giving Gardner a run too if he is fit.
We don't really know if they are terrible or not do we. They aren't given a shot and aren't spoken about. We don't really have any communication from the club about anything.
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What if we simply don't have many good ones? Lyden should have a shot in midfield, but then we should also be giving Gardner a run too if he is fit.
We don't really know if they are terrible or not do we. They aren't given a shot and aren't spoken about. We don't really have any communication from the club about anything.
What kind of communication are you expecting?
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What if we simply don't have many good ones? Lyden should have a shot in midfield, but then we should also be giving Gardner a run too if he is fit.
We don't really know if they are terrible or not do we. They aren't given a shot and aren't spoken about. We don't really have any communication from the club about anything.
What kind of communication are you expecting?
Beyond match reports of the games, is there more that they can communicate? Are there still features in the official programme about the kids coming through.
That Jordan Graham lad looks a player at Wolves.
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What if we simply don't have many good ones? Lyden should have a shot in midfield, but then we should also be giving Gardner a run too if he is fit.
We don't really know if they are terrible or not do we. They aren't given a shot and aren't spoken about. We don't really have any communication from the club about anything.
What kind of communication are you expecting?
Why isn't Kozak specifically being selected? What is happening behind the scenes that make him unpickable?
What is Gardeners injury and what is the projected return date?
Is Ilori alive?
Are any of the u21 players close to getting selected?
Just some basics like that would be appreciated.
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What if we simply don't have many good ones? Lyden should have a shot in midfield, but then we should also be giving Gardner a run too if he is fit.
We don't really know if they are terrible or not do we. They aren't given a shot and aren't spoken about. We don't really have any communication from the club about anything.
What kind of communication are you expecting?
Why isn't Kozak specifically being selected? What is happening behind the scenes that make him unpickable?
What is Gardeners injury and what is the projected return date?
Is Ilori alive?
Are any of the u21 players close to getting selected?
Just some basics like that would be appreciated.
You can hardly expect the club to come out and talk about why some players can't get a game, it doesn't quite work like that.
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What if we simply don't have many good ones? Lyden should have a shot in midfield, but then we should also be giving Gardner a run too if he is fit.
i have a feeling that they arent good enough you have to question why we have an academy as grealish apart in 4 seasons we have seen no one else come through
with all the will in the world gardner is too injury prone to ever play at the top level
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Isn't the role of the local press to ask those questions, and do articles and research on that. Interesting stories about the youth coming through, question the club as to where the production line has gone, why Kozak is not in, where Gardner and Ilori are for example. Surely they should be doing those articles regularly, not the club.
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What if we simply don't have many good ones? Lyden should have a shot in midfield, but then we should also be giving Gardner a run too if he is fit.
i have a feeling that they arent good enough you have to question why we have an academy as grealish apart in 4 seasons we have seen no one else come through
with all the will in the world gardner is too injury prone to ever play at the top level
Well, Lyden, Kinsella and Calder had a shout in close-season and didn't look out of place.
Daniel Johnson is a lad who got sold and is now doing well at Preston; Graham at Dogheads and James Collins (the youth player, not the Welsh CB) have also done well. Time to try our current crop? - why not?!
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January should be about trying our best to get shot of some of these lily livered wimps & cowards now that relegation is guaranteed. The levels of performance & effort over the last few years have been beyond dire and the sooner the likes of Guzan / Hutton / Clark / Baker / Senderos / Bennett / Cissohko/ Westwood / Bacuna / N'Zogbia / Richardson / Cole / Kozak / Agbonlahor / Gil to mention a few are gone the better.
Am sick of our club being leeched upon by player after player with seemingly a club scared to criticise or do anything to change the underachieving patheticness & it is a key going forward that we get a set of players who a) want to play for Villa & b) don't have to be pandered to.
A new start with players who are physically fit, mentally alert, technically competent & desperate to develop & succeed is what is required.
We need leaders, those who lead by example & those who aren't scared to get in the faces of players who continually make mistakes. We have a group who are too nice & too accepting of failure....it doesn't hurt to lose!
I want to see blood letting - players, management, board - there is not one who is deserving of respect & seeing a few kicked out of the door will be a pleasure even if it won't change a thing this season.
Yes, I am still pissed off with yesterday & I never went further than the sofa, can only imagine how those who went feel.
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What if we simply don't have many good ones? Lyden should have a shot in midfield, but then we should also be giving Gardner a run too if he is fit.
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i have a feeling that they arent good enough you have to question why we have an academy as grealish apart in 4 seasons we have seen no one else come through
with all the will in the world gardner is too injury prone to ever play at the top level
Well, Lyden, Kinsella and Calder had a shout in close-season and didn't look out of place.
Daniel Johnson is a lad who got sold and is now doing well at Preston; Graham at Dogheads and James Collins (the youth player, not the Welsh CB) have also done well. Time to try our current crop? - why not?!
Re Jordan Graham at at Dogheads ( http://www.teamtalk.com/news/exclusive-bournemouth-track-wolves-winger-graham ) , he´s been getting a lot of really good reviews for while now , I didn´t realise he was the Graham that we sold to them.
Remember when he and Robinson ( now Bristol City ) were scoring for fun in our Youth Teams ?.
Just another addition to that ´one that got away´ list ..............Godzvilla!
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Just get rid of the lot of them, even if it's for nothing. Not one of these players will be hurt when we do go down, they'll all bugger off elsewhere or, if they're too shit to get a move will inevitably sit on their 40/50/60k a week contracts because successive twats in charge of the club have probably not thought about putting a relegation clause onto their wages/contract.
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Once Gabby /Nzog goes I'd say only Richards is on anything like top Prem league wages.Though guys from France would have been on peanuts ( compared to Prem League wages) and has been reported all signings now have relegation clauses in contracts
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What if we simply don't have many good ones? Lyden should have a shot in midfield, but then we should also be giving Gardner a run too if he is fit.
We don't really know if they are terrible or not do we. They aren't given a shot and aren't spoken about. We don't really have any communication from the club about anything.
What kind of communication are you expecting?
Why isn't Kozak specifically being selected? What is happening behind the scenes that make him unpickable?
What is Gardeners injury and what is the projected return date?
Is Ilori alive?
Are any of the u21 players close to getting selected?
Just some basics like that would be appreciated.
You can hardly expect the club to come out and talk about why some players can't get a game, it doesn't quite work like that.
How does it work then? We act like a branch of the secret service. Is it that difficult to say Ilori is this or that and will not be selected at the moment, or Gary Gardener has had such and such happen to his recovery and is expected to be out until February.
We hear fuck all from them, which actually is a blessing, because most of what they come out with is shite. I've changed my mind, I'd rather be a mushroom and kept in the dark after all.
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Isn't the role of the local press to ask those questions, and do articles and research on that. Interesting stories about the youth coming through, question the club as to where the production line has gone, why Kozak is not in, where Gardner and Ilori are for example. Surely they should be doing those articles regularly, not the club.
Good points Ozzjim. The national press think we are irrelevant apart from some jokes about our next win etc and the local press are useless and have a smug prick of a boggie covering us.
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Find me another club who publicly explain their manager's team selections and maybe I'll agree with you.
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People calling for a total clear out of staff are missing the point. Garde at least comes over as a thinker so hopefully its not an act. We're going to have to make some painful decisions on who we keep, not just who jumps ship if clubs offer them a chance. I hope we're now analising the strengths and weaknesses of even the total bottlers this season to see if they're some use next
Someone like westwood for example
Is he a premiership player?
Has played well in the past. Before this season, never looked completely out of his depth
Can he handle the championship?
Well we bought him based on performances from the lower leagues so yes
Has he the mentality to play in the championship or is he just here for the money? Probably would buckle down.
Can he get better? Well at 25 he should do
Can we afford him?
Would anyone pay us enough to bother selling him and how long is his contract?
And so on with every other player.
If Garde gets that right then hopefully the bad eggs will be moved on, the rubbish will be moved on, and the rest will hopefully intigrate with new signings. We got rid of a lot of dead wood, and talented players when we last went down, but those that stayed did redeem themselves somewhat eventually under SGT
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What if we simply don't have many good ones? Lyden should have a shot in midfield, but then we should also be giving Gardner a run too if he is fit.
We don't really know if they are terrible or not do we. They aren't given a shot and aren't spoken about. We don't really have any communication from the club about anything.
What kind of communication are you expecting?
Why isn't Kozak specifically being selected? What is happening behind the scenes that make him unpickable?
What is Gardeners injury and what is the projected return date?
Is Ilori alive?
Are any of the u21 players close to getting selected?
Just some basics like that would be appreciated.
You can hardly expect the club to come out and talk about why some players can't get a game, it doesn't quite work like that.
How does it work then? We act like a branch of the secret service. Is it that difficult to say Ilori is this or that and will not be selected at the moment, or Gary Gardener has had such and such happen to his recovery and is expected to be out until February.
We hear fuck all from them, which actually is a blessing, because most of what they come out with is shite. I've changed my mind, I'd rather be a mushroom and kept in the dark after all.
www.avfc.co.uk
The club would like it made aware to supporters that both Remi Garde and Tim Sherwood before him thinks that Libor Kozak is pony and was a bit of a waste of the club's money when we should really have been buying a creative midfielder or a better wide forward. He's not really got over his injury as well as we'd liked, so Garde has decided not to pick him until he looks a bit less mopey and does something in training.
The club would also like to announce that Tiago Ilori isn't really working out. To be honest he was a bit of a last-minute punt, he didn't really want to come here and Paddy Reilly said we might as well give it a go as he was available and he looked pretty handy in some international tournament the other year.
As for our super under-21 squad, well... they're not really as good anymore since we took the focus and funding away. A couple of them might make it, but our track record was pretty ropey when the budget was bigger and the coaches were better, so what hope do this lot have? Lewis Kinsella might see a few minutes given how shit the other options are while Amavi is out, but what's the point with the rest of them?
Be sure to snap up your tickets for the home match against Crystal Palace, now on sale
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What if we simply don't have many good ones? Lyden should have a shot in midfield, but then we should also be giving Gardner a run too if he is fit.
We don't really know if they are terrible or not do we. They aren't given a shot and aren't spoken about. We don't really have any communication from the club about anything.
What kind of communication are you expecting?
Why isn't Kozak specifically being selected? What is happening behind the scenes that make him unpickable?
What is Gardeners injury and what is the projected return date?
Is Ilori alive?
Are any of the u21 players close to getting selected?
Just some basics like that would be appreciated.
You can hardly expect the club to come out and talk about why some players can't get a game, it doesn't quite work like that.
How does it work then? We act like a branch of the secret service. Is it that difficult to say Ilori is this or that and will not be selected at the moment, or Gary Gardener has had such and such happen to his recovery and is expected to be out until February.
We hear fuck all from them, which actually is a blessing, because most of what they come out with is shite. I've changed my mind, I'd rather be a mushroom and kept in the dark after all.
www.avfc.co.uk
The club would like it made aware to supporters that both Remi Garde and Tim Sherwood before him thinks that Libor Kozak is pony and was a bit of a waste of the club's money when we should really have been buying a creative midfielder or a better wide forward. He's not really got over his injury as well as we'd liked, so Garde has decided not to pick him until he looks a bit less mopey and does something in training.
The club would also like to announce that Tiago Ilori isn't really working out. To be honest he was a bit of a last-minute punt, he didn't really want to come here and Paddy Reilly said we might as well give it a go as he was available and he looked pretty handy in some international tournament the other year.
As for our super under-21 squad, well... they're not really as good anymore since we took the focus and funding away. A couple of them might make it, but our track record was pretty ropey when the budget was bigger and the coaches were better, so what hope do this lot have? Lewis Kinsella might see a few minutes given how shit the other options are while Amavi is out, but what's the point with the rest of them?
Be sure to snap up your tickets for the home match against Crystal Palace, now on sale
Now that's sarcasm.
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Top post Dave.
Cheered me up.
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It is looking more likely by the week that we will be relegated so next season starts now or very soon at least.
Garde needs to identify a style of play that he wants to develop and which players currently can fit into that and look to discard the ones that don't fit in. To that end, if players do not want to move just tell them they will not be in the squad, will stay until their contract runs out and explain to them that without football, their careers will effectively end. Alternatively, they can go and find a new club and perhaps give them something to soften the blow of lower wages but not pay them off.
What we need is some experience and some old fashioned professionalism from players that want to play i.e. solid pros. There must be quite a few around Europe that have not been tainted by the PL bullshit that would buy into giving a couple of years so that younger players can be developed around them. A good solid defensive midfield player, a centre back and one or two more.
One of the problems we have is that Garde brings a player in and he plays ok for one or two games and then falls back into his old ways and is part of the reason in my opinion why he is switching the team around. Examples of this are Sinclair and Bacuna. Is it a confidence thing, I don't know. We cannot continue like this and a line needs to be drawn on those that are not going to improve significantly.
Our style of play is so predictable and easy to play against. Perhaps taking some players out of the team may lead to more variety. An example of this our use of Hutton down the right. His head down, run and think of a pass/cross when he gets down the other end of the pitch must leave some of the other players thinking why should they try and take up good positions when they know they will not get the ball. Traore is inexperienced but must be at a loss to think how he should play with Hutton. That is just one example but you easily analyse Westwood's play likewise.
This transfer window I would be looking to buy two of those experience players noted above and then bringing in a few loan players who need to show something before the Euros just to freshen up the place and try and finish the season on an upward curve.
Ilori is a strange one. If he is fit, he needs to play to see if he has what it takes and is worth spending £7m on. Otherwise we may just as well write him off as it would be too much of a risk to stump up £7m with only a few games under his belt.
We cannot just throw a bunch of young players into the team in one go as it would destroy them but a few of them need to be brought in gradually and alternated.
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Speaking of previously rumoured transfers, Steven Naismith is joining Norwich for £8m.
That's nearly 30 year old, one-goal-in-every-five-and-a-half-matches for Everton Steven Naismith.
Maybe somebody might buy Gabby after all.
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Top post Dave.
Cheered me up.
Agree made me chuckle
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Speaking of previously rumoured transfers, Steven Naismith is joining Norwich for £8m.
That's nearly 30 year old, one-goal-in-every-five-and-a-half-matches for Everton Steven Naismith.
Maybe somebody might buy Gabby after all.
We need to find a mug punter
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Speaking of previously rumoured transfers, Steven Naismith is joining Norwich for £8m.
That's nearly 30 year old, one-goal-in-every-five-and-a-half-matches for Everton Steven Naismith.
Maybe somebody might buy Gabby after all.
To be fair he''s scored more goals than gabby's managed in the last 5 years and perhaps he does other stuff like, assists, pass the ball to own team etc...
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Speaking of previously rumoured transfers, Steven Naismith is joining Norwich for £8m.
That's nearly 30 year old, one-goal-in-every-five-and-a-half-matches for Everton Steven Naismith.
Maybe somebody might buy Gabby after all.
To be fair he''s scored more goals than gabby's managed in the last 5 years and perhaps he does other stuff like, assists, pass the ball to own team etc...
And he'll probably increase his wages and get one last good signing on fee.
Gabby would get fuck all signing on fee and likely have to take a cut in wages. No chance.
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Speaking of previously rumoured transfers, Steven Naismith is joining Norwich for £8m.
That's nearly 30 year old, one-goal-in-every-five-and-a-half-matches for Everton Steven Naismith.
Maybe somebody might buy Gabby after all.
Can't see it Dave, because of that ridiculous contract he has no incentive to get off his arse & look elsewhere...
Might take a free transfer to weed him out of VP
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even a free transfer wont do it as if any club was stupid enough to take him a good signing on fee would be cancelled out by a massive drop in wages
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Not necessarily, if Gabby is on 50k that's about 2.5m a yr x3 yrs + say 1m sign on = pretty much the fee alone for a Naismith
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who on earth is going to offer gabby more than 30k a week?
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Speaking of previously rumoured transfers, Steven Naismith is joining Norwich for £8m.
That's nearly 30 year old, one-goal-in-every-five-and-a-half-matches for Everton Steven Naismith.
Maybe somebody might buy Gabby after all.
Can't see it Dave, because of that ridiculous contract he has no incentive to get off his arse & look elsewhere...
Might take a free transfer to weed him out of VP
Sorry, that post was meant to be laced with a couple of shoes worth of irony.
I've long-assumed that Gabby will be carried out of Villa Park in an Ellis-style wooden box.
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who on earth is going to offer gabby more than 0.3K a week?
Fixed.
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Speaking of previously rumoured transfers, Steven Naismith is joining Norwich for £8m.
That's nearly 30 year old, one-goal-in-every-five-and-a-half-matches for Everton Steven Naismith.
Maybe somebody might buy Gabby after all.
Can't see it Dave, because of that ridiculous contract he has no incentive to get off his arse & look elsewhere...
Might take a free transfer to weed him out of VP
Sorry, that post was meant to be laced with a couple of shoes worth of irony.
I've long-assumed that Gabby will be carried out of Villa Park in an Ellis-style wooden box.
:-) irony radar failed lol
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Two things. Inler forgive the spelling if wrong has played really well for Leicester tonight but is about to be replaced so they can go 442.
I saw somewhere that Gabby won't be leaving after all.
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who on earth is going to offer gabby more than 0.3K a week?
Fixed.
quality
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Speaking of previously rumoured transfers, Steven Naismith is joining Norwich for £8m.
That's nearly 30 year old, one-goal-in-every-five-and-a-half-matches for Everton Steven Naismith.
Maybe somebody might buy Gabby after all.
The scary thing about that is it tells you a lot about the January market. It is a feasting ground for clubs not really looking to sell, but looking to make a quick buck on the desperate. If we are going to improve we better pony up the shillings because we are likely going to get mugged ourselves by someone.
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I saw somewhere that Gabby won't be leaving after all.
OMG that's almost like a new signing. Total relief!
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I saw somewhere that Gabby won't be leaving after all.
OMG that's almost like a new signing. Total relief!
Yep. Like signing Steven Hawking.
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It's because he doesn't want to leave apparently. I'll bet he doesn't.
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There is little if any point in signing anyone, they may as well save the money to compensate for income drop to come.
No way Gabby will go anywhere, he will sit out his contract just like CNZ and the others.
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One thing is certain with the championship, a tight defence is paramount this season. The top 3 have conceded 12, 15 and 17 this season in 24. Hull have Dawson leading their back line, Boro I have no idea while Derby have Warnock in their back 4. Surely we can find a centre half that can organise and lead between now and August to give us a fighting chance!
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One thing is certain with the championship, a tight defence is paramount this season. The top 3 have conceded 12, 15 and 17 this season in 24. Hull have Dawson leading their back line, Boro I have no idea while Derby have Warnock in their back 4. Surely we can find a centre half that can organise and lead between now and August to give us a fighting chance!
Providing they can cope with the demand of playing two games a week for a lot of the season, I think the Okore / Lescott partnership would be fine in the Championship. They would not be faced with the type of pace they are in the top flight and with a better keeper behind them and better full-backs either side they would be fine.
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I would keep Senderos if fit too. The only time we have been defensively sound in 2 years was the 8 or so games he was in for.
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Senderos, Ilori, Crespo & Kozak. Like an episode of The X-Files.
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With Traore materialising briefly then vanishing and Grealish seeming to be afflicted with the early stages of the disappearing virus.
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I've heard it said that to win the Championship you need to score 90+ goals and get 90+ points so that's arguably a bigger issue to address than the defence. We should be looking to Championship and looking to have a squad built that will easily be able to finish mid-table in the first season back.
As for the defence looking better with Senderos, bare in mind that at the time Lambert had gone out all-defensive and we hardly got anyone going forward. He'll also be in the final stages of his career and injury prone. We would be better looking at getting an experienced organiser with time on his side and with a record of being fit as his replacement.
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Maybe so. But it costs nothing to give him a few games to see.
You need 2 points a game to get up automatically. At the moment the top 8 have scored about 34 in 24 on average. What sets the top 3 apart is conceding 17 or less from Hull upwards. I think keeping them out is vital certainly this season.
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Tom Ross just tweeted he bumped into Vlaar this morning at Bodymoor
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Tom Ross just tweeted he bumped into Vlaar this morning at Bodymoor
Did Vlaar go down clutching his knee?
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Tom Ross just tweeted he bumped into Vlaar this morning at Bodymoor
Did Vlaar go down clutching his knee?
LOL
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Garde talking openly about wanting Loic Remy on SSN this morning. Don't usually comment like that do they?
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Aston Villa manager Remi Garde wants Loic Remy to save his club from what appears to be inevitable relegation.
Garde was part of the coaching team at Lyon, where Remy began his career, and aims to tempt his fellow Frenchman on loan from Chelsea.
Remy has played just 146 minutes of Premier League football this season – less than Baba Rahman, Kenedy and even Radamel Falcao.
Villa are 11 points adrift of survival but Garde believes that canny January business could see them pull off the seemingly impossible.
“He is a guy that I know well,” Garde told the Birmingham Mail. “Of course it would be an interesting player for the team. Of course, yes.
“Loic is quite a special one because he knows the country and knows the league.”
“I can’t tell you exactly today (about the chances of signing him), but he is part of some players I am trying to attract in Aston Villa for sure.”
Remy scored 14 Premier League goals while on loan at Newcastle from QPR in 2013/14
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Remy would be a brilliant signing - if we had 8 more points.
If wonder if we did sign him how the Club would spell his name?
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Tom Ross just tweeted he bumped into Vlaar this morning at Bodymoor
Obviously getting some free treatment from our well practiced medical team.
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Aston Villa manager Remi Garde wants Loic Remy to save his club from what appears to be inevitable relegation.
Garde was part of the coaching team at Lyon, where Remy began his career, and aims to tempt his fellow Frenchman on loan from Chelsea.
Remy has played just 146 minutes of Premier League football this season – less than Baba Rahman, Kenedy and even Radamel Falcao.
Villa are 11 points adrift of survival but Garde believes that canny January business could see them pull off the seemingly impossible.
“He is a guy that I know well,” Garde told the Birmingham Mail. “Of course it would be an interesting player for the team. Of course, yes.
“Loic is quite a special one because he knows the country and knows the league.”
“I can’t tell you exactly today (about the chances of signing him), but he is part of some players I am trying to attract in Aston Villa for sure.”
Remy scored 14 Premier League goals while on loan at Newcastle from QPR in 2013/14
I can't see Chelsea loaning him to relegation rivals.
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More chance of Richards becoming positionally aware in the next week than Remy signing.
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With a new manager, why would Chelsea let him go? Surely, Hiddink will want to keep everyone until he has sussed out who his best players are. Maybe Remy might be in the fold again..
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I think we will get Remy. I doubt Garde would be speaking like that if it was unlikely he would sign.
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I think we will get Remy. I doubt Garde would be speaking like that if it was unlikely he would sign.
If Chelsea bring in another striker it's possible but otherwise I doubt he will.
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we're usually very hush hush when we do business. Obviously they've decided to leak it to try and lift the gloom.
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Well they have super Pat Bamford back from Palace so let Remy and Rémi be reminited.
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Well they have super Pat Bamford back from Palace so let Remy and Rémi be reminited.
I have read that one of the objectives of Hiddink's spell in charge is to use more of their youngsters, so Bamford could be part of Chelsea's plans. I'd be delighted with either on loan as the Boro fans loved Bamford whereas Remy is infinitely better than what we have at the moment.
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It seems like Jose didn't have full control of ins and outs so I doubt whether Hiddink will. *reaches for straws*
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the club can use that #WelcomeRemy hashtag again...
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Well they have super Pat Bamford back from Palace so let Remy and Rémi be reminited.
Now that might be a decent signing if we are looking at being in the Championship next season.
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Pat Bamford sounds like it should be the name of a female character in Emmerdale.
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Unusual for a manager to speak so openly about a player like that, there must have already been some dialogue between the parties. He'd be a great signing, but sadly it's too late.
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nothing's too late until it mathematically is.
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nothing's too late until it mathematically is.
Whilst factually that's true, it's not actually realistic. In practice it can be too late way before it becomes a mathematical certainty.
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Well if we are going to be signing players like Remy we will be out of the Champo in no time
There is a cautionary note to this leak though, don't get the fans all geared up for a top class striker only to end up with a bargain basement dud
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Well if we are going to be signing players like Remy we will be out of the Champo in no time
There is a cautionary note to this leak though, don't get the fans all geared up for a top class striker only to end up with a bargain basement dud
I think he'd only be on loan for 6 months.
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wrong thread, I am a twat
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Well if we are going to be signing players like Remy we will be out of the Champo in no time
There is a cautionary note to this leak though, don't get the fans all geared up for a top class striker only to end up with a bargain basement dud
I think he'd only be on loan for 6 months.
oh, maybe not then
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Well if we are going to be signing players like Remy we will be out of the Champo in no time
There is a cautionary note to this leak though, don't get the fans all geared up for a top class striker only to end up with a bargain basement dud
I think he'd only be on loan for 6 months.
oh, maybe not then
I imagine that given our situation we might be looking at quality loans with a view to permanent moves. There is no doubt that we are less than an attractive proposition right now for players looking to join us permanently.
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Pat Bamford sounds like a JCB driver.
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Like what he appears to be doing with Remy, I think it would be a great idea to get a bunch of loanees in like him. Players who won't necessarily sign for us, but players who are at a club they either need to impress or want to go and play elsewhere and so generate themselves a move. In the process we don't waste loadsamoney on anyone when the inevitable happens.
Do Chelsea/Man City/Arsenal not have players who want to be loaned out to play games?
Is there a limit of loan signings?
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Pat Hanford sounds like a JCB driver.
The B of JCB is Bamford's family apparently (or did you know that?).
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More chance of Richards becoming positionally aware in the next week than Remy signing.
If Rémi Garde gets Loïc Rémy, I am getting a bottle of Rémy Martin VSOP*
*Villa Striker On the Pitch
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I did Dante but my predictor spelling function did not.
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I think we will get Remy. I doubt Garde would be speaking like that if it was unlikely he would sign.
If Chelsea bring in another striker it's possible but otherwise I doubt he will.
We will end up with bamford instead
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Get them both and get rid of gabby and Kozak.
Would love to see Toulalan and Inler join too and Cole at left back, just to add experience and a bit of class(I know Cole is probably 3 years apart his best but would be better than Bacuna there).
We have been missing a bit of class in the centre of misfiled ever since Stan had to retire, an experienced head in there who keeps hold of the ball and brings others into the game would be great. Toulalan with Veretout and Gana either side would be a nice balanced midfield.
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As much as Remy would be great, I can't help but feel he will have much better options should he be allowed to leave.
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Remy isn't signing. Half the league would have him and, having just glanced at the table, I'm going to guess he won't be interested.
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Garde would not say he is trying to sign Remy if he was going to sign him. Randy Lerner's favourite repeated ploy to fool us that they are trying to sign good players but only trying hard enough that Villa end up with second division players from Countries across the English Channel.
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Get them both and get rid of gabby and Kozak.
Would love to see Toulalan and Inler join too and Cole at left back, just to add experience and a bit of class(I know Cole is probably 3 years apart his best but would be better than Bacuna there).
We have been missing a bit of class in the centre of misfiled ever since Stan had to retire, an experienced head in there who keeps hold of the ball and brings others into the game would be great. Toulalan with Veretout and Gana either side would be a nice balanced midfield.
Cashley is moving to the MLS.
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The Remy speculation is just to appease the fans, when he doesn't sign on loan, they can say well we tried!
Doug used to do it all the time to get the fans on his side.
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Remy isn't signing. Half the league would have him and, having just glanced at the table, I'm going to guess he won't be interested.
if the loan deal is suitably well remunerated for the player, he may well go for it. A chance to play regularly, score goals and team up with his previous manager: not bad for 6 months' work.
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I'm happier that Remi is possibly looking at bringing in quality players rather than cheaper options, if they can get rid of Gabby then that should free up some dosh to partly pay the wages of Remy.
He might have a few quality players in mind that can't get a game for their clubs and want the chance for some first team action leading up to Euro 16.
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There are going to be international players in Europe who are not playing enough games for their clubs and are in danger of missing out on the European Championships. From that perspective this transfer window might generate a bit more movement than if there wasn't a tournament. I don't know how many permanent deals will be made but I can see quite a few loans which I am sure we will also be able to do. Players may not want to commit long term, but no harm short term if it is mutually beneficial.
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and i would like to see look for a midfield duo which is midfield general and another playmaker and we can make them our focus point in midfield to play with Veretout. If we can find a ready made partnership it would be even better.
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nothing's too late until it mathematically is.
Agreed. The facts remain teams have to play each other so will be taking points from one another. If miracle happens villa win matches then the gap closes and the escape is a reality. The league and fixtures are structured so its competition and there's certainly been shocks. Plus two seasons running now bottom team has avoided relegation. If things come together then there is still possibility it depends on other teams being low down
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There are going to be international players in Europe who are not playing enough games for their clubs and are in danger of missing out on the European Championships. From that perspective this transfer window might generate a bit more movement than if there wasn't a tournament. I don't know how many permanent deals will be made but I can see quite a few loans which I am sure we will also be able to do. Players may not want to commit long term, but no harm short term if it is mutually beneficial.
Wayne Rooney it is then
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As much as Remy would be great, I can't help but feel he will have much better options should he be allowed to leave.
exactly and lets be honest every team in the league is a better option than us
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As much as Remy would be great, I can't help but feel he will have much better options should he be allowed to leave.
exactly and lets be honest every team in the league is a better option than us
He might just fancy working with Garde again regardless. I still think it's unlikely but he wouldn't have any problems getting into our team, to say the least.
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There is a big difference between a loan and buying player. With an experienced older player, once a club agrees to loan a player out, it is very much in the hands of the player where he goes. The player effectively has two bites at the cherry, go out on loan first before deciding where he wants to move to. If Remy wants to come to Villa because of Garde, it will happen if Chelsea agree to loan him out.
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and i would like to see look for a midfield duo which is midfield general and another playmaker and we can make them our focus point in midfield to play with Veretout. If we can find a ready made partnership it would be even better.
Ant & Dec would be an upgrade on any pairing we've got in the middle
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I'd be very happy with Inler. Decent player. Peter Crouch would do a job for us too, might also be a good mentor for Bambi Gestede too. Debuchy would also be an upgrade. Only two internal loans though? Is that correct?
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Get a load of this from Puss Hoodspunk.
Brum Mail (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-guus-hiddink-calls-10668675)
Aston Villa: Guus Hiddink calls on Remi Garde to show some respect over Loic Remy
The Chelsea boss isn't happy it seems
22:30, 30 DEC 2015
BY MAT KENDRICK
Guus Hiddink has told Remi Garde to show Chelsea some respect after the Aston Villa boss revealed his interest in Loic Remy.
Garde is keen to take the French striker on loan for the rest of the season as he looks to breathe life into Villa's creaking Premier League survival mission.
But Hiddink is not impressed with a rival manager discussing his players in public and the Chelsea interim boss insists Remy's main challenge is to prove his fitness at Stamford Bridge.
Asked to respond to Garde's comments about Villa wanting Remy, Hiddink replied: “I think, from our point of view, I don't think we or the management will go into a similar situation.
"You have to respect where the players are. If you are interested, talk first to the people with whom they are contracted. You cannot go into details.”
Remy is currently battling a calf injury and Hiddink has challenged the 28-year-old French international to force his way in at Chelsea.
“The player has signed a contract here and must be fit for us," said Hiddink. "He's having a difficult time regarding his injuries. He has to prove first of all that he's a good Chelsea player. He has a calf problem for several days.”
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He has a point.
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He has a point.
We'd be absolutely fuming if it was the other way round with calls for the club to issue a statement / denial.
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Not sure I'd be that fussed if the player in question being talked about was someone who rarely played for us...
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Remy isn't signing. Half the league would have him and, having just glanced at the table, I'm going to guess he won't be interested.
That's just about the easiest assumption to make.
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The Remy speculation is just to appease the fans, when he doesn't sign on loan, they can say well we tried!
Doug used to do it all the time to get the fans on his side.
That's my view as well however I am surprised that Garde is talking about it which is wrong at many levels.
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par for the Villa course then at the moment - i.e. wrong on so many levels
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How many times has it happened to us? we are far too nice.
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Maybe it is wrong, but it's nice to see a manager of Chelsea squawking about another club treating them like a bunch of lightweights. Especially when the other club is us.
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Maybe it is wrong, but it's nice to see a manager of Chelsea squawking about another club treating them like a bunch of lightweights. Especially when the other club is us.
Too little too late. Thanks to Randy 's policy of not upsetting other clubs we have appointed those out of a job rather than go for a manager of a club already employed. Not Garde's fault but we are Villa and should be much prouder about ourselves. Good on Garde for showing some ambition.
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Shame he's injured though
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file remy next to austin
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file remy next to austin
No if this post was written in the 1980's, I'd assume the deal was done and he was posing next to his club car. Possibly a beige Allegro.
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file remy next to austin
That's a strange filing system. I'd really struggle to find anything in your cabinets.
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Expect him to sign in the next 24 hours.
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Expect him to sign in the next 24 hours.
Who for? He'd be off his nut to come here
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Expect him to sign in the next 24 hours.
Who for? He'd be off his nut to come here
Maybe he'd like to play some football for a change, and scoring goals in a Francophone environment could help to bag him a place in the French squad for the Euros - Benzema's place is up for grabs...We're clutching at straws, but there's fuck all else to do
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Come on Dave P. Be fair. Don't make things seem worse than they were. By the 80s our better players were getting Montegos choice of either Flag white, Robbo red (one for the senior citizens there) or Knuckledragger blue.
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Easy Brian i got that and i'm only 48
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file remy next to austin
That's a strange filing system. I'd really struggle to find anything in your cabinets.
I used to have a person working for me who filed Delivery Notes according to their colour
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The Remy speculation is just to appease the fans, when he doesn't sign on loan, they can say well we tried!
Doug used to do it all the time to get the fans on his side.
That's my view as well however I am surprised that Garde is talking about it which is wrong at many levels.
Didn't the journo ask him a direct question about Remy?
I know he could have said "no comment" or similar, but he was answering a question about a specific player and answered it (albeit with a bit more info than was necessary!?)
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file remy next to austin
That's a strange filing system. I'd really struggle to find anything in your cabinets.
I used to have a person working for me who filed Delivery Notes according to their colour
I bet it made finding all the blue ones a doddle!
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file remy next to austin
That's a strange filing system. I'd really struggle to find anything in your cabinets.
I used to have a person working for me who filed Delivery Notes according to their colour
My Mrs used to do that with gas and electricity bills!
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I used to employ a secretary (blonde hair, big, no huge, tits- need I say more) who filed letters I received from Ove Arup under "Old Arab".
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You are awful - but I like you!
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I used to employ a secretary (blonde hair, big, no huge, tits- need I say more) who filed letters I received from Ove Arup under "Old Arab".
Can't think why you employed her Brian?
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Easy Brian i got that and i'm only 48
I got it and I'm only 45. You old git😃
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The Remy speculation is just to appease the fans, when he doesn't sign on loan, they can say well we tried!
Doug used to do it all the time to get the fans on his side.
That's my view as well however I am surprised that Garde is talking about it which is wrong at many levels.
Didn't the journo ask him a direct question about Remy?
I know he could have said "no comment" or similar, but he was answering a question about a specific player and answered it (albeit with a bit more info than was necessary!?)
Could it be that Garde thought well they are guessing we are going to try and sign him so I might as well string them along, when all the time he has another target, who he is keeping well under wraps.
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Does anyone think that this gaggle of halfwits actually has 'a plan'? I'm not sure that they do.
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Come on Dave P. Be fair. Don't make things seem worse than they were. By the 80s our better players were getting Montegos choice of either Flag white, Robbo red (one for the senior citizens there) or Knuckledragger blue.
Apparently Ken McNaught sent his club Montego back because his dogs didn't fit in the boot. Or was it a Maestro?
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Does anyone think that this gaggle of halfwits actually has 'a plan'? I'm not sure that they do.
Plan for what?
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Come on Dave P. Be fair. Don't make things seem worse than they were. By the 80s our better players were getting Montegos choice of either Flag white, Robbo red (one for the senior citizens there) or Knuckledragger blue.
Apparently Ken McNaught sent his club Montego back because his dogs didn't fit in the boot. Or was it a Maestro?
i remember the days of a slow lumbering heap of rubbish trundling around the pitch well
but enough about our subs warming up against west ham, those montegos were shite as well
the mo
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The signing of Walker and Bent was significant enough under Houllier to change our season. Now we had better players back then and we weren't in as dire a situation. But I still don't believe that this team is as bad as it appears to be. What it needs is some positive energy, some fresh faces to help change the environment. I know there is talk of Remy and Debuchy. Could they possibly be as influential as Walker and Bent in changing our fortunes?
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Come on Dave P. Be fair. Don't make things seem worse than they were. By the 80s our better players were getting Montegos choice of either Flag white, Robbo red (one for the senior citizens there) or Knuckledragger blue.
Was that the left-hand drive version
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The signing of Walker and Bent was significant enough under Houllier to change our season. Now we had better players back then and we weren't in as dire a situation. But I still don't believe that this team is as bad as it appears to be. What it needs is some positive energy, some fresh faces to help change the environment. I know there is talk of Remy and Debuchy. Could they possibly be as influential as Walker and Bent in changing our fortunes?
They would be but this isn't Football Manager sadly. I'd shit a lung in shock if we signed Remy or Debuchy. There's just absolutely no chance. If there's any remote chance they're available, even on loan, there will be clubs in better positions sniffing around. There's no way any established and half reasonable player will touch as with a 20 foot barge pole.
We're gone anyway so if we do sign a couple of players we have to be careful. They've got to have some quality, but also a willingless to slog it out in DIV 2 next season. That may essentially mean carrying on with the ethos we have for 4-5 years. Cheap foreigners, lower league players or players slightly over the hill.
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Come on Dave P. Be fair. Don't make things seem worse than they were. By the 80s our better players were getting Montegos choice of either Flag white, Robbo red (one for the senior citizens there) or Knuckledragger blue.
Derek Robinson, the Leyland leftie, who emigrated to Aus IIRC.
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The signing of Walker and Bent was significant enough under Houllier to change our season. Now we had better players back then and we weren't in as dire a situation. But I still don't believe that this team is as bad as it appears to be. What it needs is some positive energy, some fresh faces to help change the environment. I know there is talk of Remy and Debuchy. Could they possibly be as influential as Walker and Bent in changing our fortunes?
They would be but this isn't Football Manager sadly. I'd shit a lung in shock if we signed Remy or Debuchy. There's just absolutely no chance. If there's any remote chance they're available, even on loan, there will be clubs in better positions sniffing around. There's no way any established and half reasonable player will touch as with a 20 foot barge pole.
We're gone anyway so if we do sign a couple of players we have to be careful. They've got to have some quality, but also a willingless to slog it out in DIV 2 next season. That may essentially mean carrying on with the ethos we have for 4-5 years. Cheap foreigners, lower league players or players slightly over the hill.
The point you're hinting at is a good one: next season, Bennett, Baker and Clark will actually look quite good for us!
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Could it be that Garde thought well they are guessing we are going to try and sign him so I might as well string them along, when all the time he has another target, who he is keeping well under wraps.
Good. I hope that target is Ronaldo.
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The signing of Walker and Bent was significant enough under Houllier to change our season. Now we had better players back then and we weren't in as dire a situation. But I still don't believe that this team is as bad as it appears to be. What it needs is some positive energy, some fresh faces to help change the environment. I know there is talk of Remy and Debuchy. Could they possibly be as influential as Walker and Bent in changing our fortunes?
They would be but this isn't Football Manager sadly. I'd shit a lung in shock if we signed Remy or Debuchy. There's just absolutely no chance. If there's any remote chance they're available, even on loan, there will be clubs in better positions sniffing around. There's no way any established and half reasonable player will touch as with a 20 foot barge pole.
We're gone anyway so if we do sign a couple of players we have to be careful. They've got to have some quality, but also a willingless to slog it out in DIV 2 next season. That may essentially mean carrying on with the ethos we have for 4-5 years. Cheap foreigners, lower league players or players slightly over the hill.
You're completely missing out on the ego side of things. Club looks utterly fucked but is a massive club, go there on a 6 month loan and if nothing changes it's not your fault, go there and save them and you're a hero and can probably pick your club outside the top 4-5. Look at QPR a few years back, they were just as fucked as we are and they got Remy and Samba and neither of them saw their careers fall apart as a reulst of it even though they didn't save them.
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The signing of Walker and Bent was significant enough under Houllier to change our season. Now we had better players back then and we weren't in as dire a situation. But I still don't believe that this team is as bad as it appears to be. What it needs is some positive energy, some fresh faces to help change the environment. I know there is talk of Remy and Debuchy. Could they possibly be as influential as Walker and Bent in changing our fortunes?
I actually believe we'd have stayed up in 10/11 even without Bent. We still had Downing and Young at the club back then, we'd have strung a good run of form at some point like we did anyway.
The quality of the squad now is nowhere near 5 years ago, we are down.
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The signing of Walker and Bent was significant enough under Houllier to change our season. Now we had better players back then and we weren't in as dire a situation. But I still don't believe that this team is as bad as it appears to be. What it needs is some positive energy, some fresh faces to help change the environment. I know there is talk of Remy and Debuchy. Could they possibly be as influential as Walker and Bent in changing our fortunes?
I actually believe we'd have stayed up in 10/11 even without Bent. We still had Downing and Young at the club back then, we'd have strung a good run of form at some point like we did anyway.
The quality of the squad now is nowhere near 5 years ago, we are down.
Allied to the quality of Bent, Young and Downing, we also experienced top flight players like Petrov, Friedel, Reo-Coker, Luke Young, Collins and Dunne. Not exactly world beaters, but players who spent the majority of their careers in the top flight and had the nous to get us results when we really needed them.
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The signing of Walker and Bent was significant enough under Houllier to change our season. Now we had better players back then and we weren't in as dire a situation. But I still don't believe that this team is as bad as it appears to be. What it needs is some positive energy, some fresh faces to help change the environment. I know there is talk of Remy and Debuchy. Could they possibly be as influential as Walker and Bent in changing our fortunes?
They would be but this isn't Football Manager sadly. I'd shit a lung in shock if we signed Remy or Debuchy. There's just absolutely no chance. If there's any remote chance they're available, even on loan, there will be clubs in better positions sniffing around. There's no way any established and half reasonable player will touch as with a 20 foot barge pole.
We're gone anyway so if we do sign a couple of players we have to be careful. They've got to have some quality, but also a willingless to slog it out in DIV 2 next season. That may essentially mean carrying on with the ethos we have for 4-5 years. Cheap foreigners, lower league players or players slightly over the hill.
You're completely missing out on the ego side of things. Club looks utterly fucked but is a massive club, go there on a 6 month loan and if nothing changes it's not your fault, go there and save them and you're a hero and can probably pick your club outside the top 4-5. Look at QPR a few years back, they were just as fucked as we are and they got Remy and Samba and neither of them saw their careers fall apart as a reulst of it even though they didn't save them.
I'd go with that. Like I said with the Euro's on the horizon players who are on the edge of selection will want to show themselves. They may not all commit long term, but some might. But for many players in Europe right now playing in the PL is still a big deal and if they can get a short term move, help themselves by helping us then ultimately it's a win win.
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Worth remembering though that it was reported QPR were paying Samba £100k a week and Remy over £70K. In addition to spending £20m on them.
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The signing of Walker and Bent was significant enough under Houllier to change our season. Now we had better players back then and we weren't in as dire a situation. But I still don't believe that this team is as bad as it appears to be. What it needs is some positive energy, some fresh faces to help change the environment. I know there is talk of Remy and Debuchy. Could they possibly be as influential as Walker and Bent in changing our fortunes?
I actually believe we'd have stayed up in 10/11 even without Bent. We still had Downing and Young at the club back then, we'd have strung a good run of form at some point like we did anyway.
The quality of the squad now is nowhere near 5 years ago, we are down.
I agree that we would have been ok without B&W. Remember that season we panicked ar we hovered around 13/14th this season it's a completely different scenario.
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We were 17th when we signed Bent, out of the bottom 3 only on goals scored, 2 points off bottom place and we'd scored 19 in 22.
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Bent kept us up. Along with an inspired Petrov in some games.
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According to the Torygraph we're trying to send Ilori back. I hope we kept the receipt, you know what retailers can be like about refunds around Christmas time.
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Worth remembering though that it was reported QPR were paying Samba £100k a week and Remy over £70K. In addition to spending £20m on them.
Which we're never going to do in a million years at the moment.
If we did it would be strangely ironic given that the moment Randy gets a bit spend happy again is the point at which we're all but down so it would be his greatest misplaced spunking of cash ever.
The only thing which may help us with Remy is that Chelsea may pay some of the wages, though if Hiddink's insistence that he is staying is true, probably not.
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According to the Torygraph we're trying to send Ilori back. I hope we kept the receipt, you know what retailers can be like about refunds around Christmas time.
Baffling really. That was a strange signing and it seems flits between being injured or just not fancied. Borrowing a kid from a shithouse club like Liverpool though...it was never going to work out was it?
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And we paid a reported £1m for the privilege.
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And we paid a reported £1m for the privilege.
Sounds just the sort of silly thing we'd do.
What's happened to Crespo? Injured or just bombed? He was a bizarre signing to, to be honest. He's late 20's and has plodded around a bit. Not entirely sure why we even thought he'd be a useful squad option at this level.
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Bringing in a player with the option to sign him permanently was never going be free. I don't see how it is in any way typical of something we would do. Like transfers or loans not working out is somehow exclusive to Aston Villa. It happens at every single club across the world. There are loads of other sticks to beat us with right now.
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And we paid a reported £1m for the privilege.
Sounds just the sort of silly thing we'd do.
What's happened to Crespo? Injured or just bombed? He was a bizarre signing to, to be honest. He's late 20's and has plodded around a bit. Not entirely sure why we even thought he'd be a useful squad option at this level.
Sometimes you need somebody handy to drop library books back etc.
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And we paid a reported £1m for the privilege.
Sounds just the sort of silly thing we'd do.
What's happened to Crespo? Injured or just bombed? He was a bizarre signing to, to be honest. He's late 20's and has plodded around a bit. Not entirely sure why we even thought he'd be a useful squad option at this level.
Because the spreadsheet says he kicks it 4 times with his left foot and 3 times with his right foot every 45 mins, 93.7% of passes go to a team mate & he covers 8.3km a game....the numbers never lie :-)
Next summer we buy the upgrade module that includes character, backbone & leadership.
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Bringing in a player with the option to sign him permanently was never going be free. I don't see how it is in any way typical of something we would do. Like transfers or loans not working out is somehow exclusive to Aston Villa. It happens at every single club across the world. There are loads of other sticks to beat us with right now.
True but we don't really have a good record when we buy from the scousers. They always seem to mug us off. At least in the last 20 years. I'd take a Deano or Stan right about now.
It just seemed as a signing a bit of a daft afterthought. We'd signed Richards and I think had either signed or were virtually wrapped up on Lescott and then there was Crespo who could play all along the back. We had Clark, Baker, Senderos and Okore on the books and then we piss a million to rent a kid who can't even get featured at Liverpool (who have a crap selection of defenders outside of their first choice). That's how it's a bit typical of us.
It's almost like spending for the sake of spending. Like when we pointlessly bought Beye (among many other pointless signings).
I'm not at all surprised Ilori hasn't worked out.
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The signing of Walker and Bent was significant enough under Houllier to change our season. Now we had better players back then and we weren't in as dire a situation. But I still don't believe that this team is as bad as it appears to be. What it needs is some positive energy, some fresh faces to help change the environment. I know there is talk of Remy and Debuchy. Could they possibly be as influential as Walker and Bent in changing our fortunes?
I actually believe we'd have stayed up in 10/11 even without Bent. We still had Downing and Young at the club back then, we'd have strung a good run of form at some point like we did anyway.
The quality of the squad now is nowhere near 5 years ago, we are down.
Just had a look at the side that beat Liverpool on the final day of that season (one of the brighter days of recent times):
Friedel
Walker Dunne Collins L Young
Petrov
Reo Coker Delph
Downing Bent A Young
Not a great Villa side, but telling that I wouldn't replace any of them with a player from the current side
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The signing of Walker and Bent was significant enough under Houllier to change our season. Now we had better players back then and we weren't in as dire a situation. But I still don't believe that this team is as bad as it appears to be. What it needs is some positive energy, some fresh faces to help change the environment. I know there is talk of Remy and Debuchy. Could they possibly be as influential as Walker and Bent in changing our fortunes?
I actually believe we'd have stayed up in 10/11 even without Bent. We still had Downing and Young at the club back then, we'd have strung a good run of form at some point like we did anyway.
The quality of the squad now is nowhere near 5 years ago, we are down.
Just had a look at the side that beat Liverpool on the final day of that season (one of the brighter days of recent times):
Friedel
Walker Dunne Collins L Young
Petrov
Reo Coker Delph
Downing Bent A Young
Not a great Villa side, but telling that I wouldn't replace any of them with a player from the current side
Not half bad that side.
Benty in fairness also kept us up the following season too with his goals in the first half of the season. We were nicking points because of his goals. He, Petrov and Dunne all got injured within a month and then of course we just couldn't win after that. We crawled over the line under McLeish. Bents 9 goals up until his injury were probably invaluable.
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The signing of Walker and Bent was significant enough under Houllier to change our season. Now we had better players back then and we weren't in as dire a situation. But I still don't believe that this team is as bad as it appears to be. What it needs is some positive energy, some fresh faces to help change the environment. I know there is talk of Remy and Debuchy. Could they possibly be as influential as Walker and Bent in changing our fortunes?
I actually believe we'd have stayed up in 10/11 even without Bent. We still had Downing and Young at the club back then, we'd have strung a good run of form at some point like we did anyway.
The quality of the squad now is nowhere near 5 years ago, we are down.
Just had a look at the side that beat Liverpool on the final day of that season (one of the brighter days of recent times):
Friedel
Walker Dunne Collins L Young
Petrov
Reo Coker Delph
Downing Bent A Young
Not a great Villa side, but telling that I wouldn't replace any of them with a player from the current side
Not half bad that side.
Benty in fairness also kept us up the following season too with his goals in the first half of the season. We were nicking points because of his goals. He, Petrov and Dunne all got injured within a month and then of course we just couldn't win after that. We crawled over the line under McLeish. Bents 9 goals up until his injury were probably invaluable.
If I remember correctly, we weren't able to field that side too often as we had a terrible run of injuries from November to January and were fielding sides with the likes of Bannan and Hogg featuring regularly. There was something to build on there though, but losing both Young and Downing that summer was a big blow.
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Yep, this is the side that drew 2-2 at home to Manure Nov 2010
Friedel
L Young
Warnock
Dunne
Collins
Downing
A Young
Albrighton
Bannan
Hogg
G Agbonlahor
Subs
Guzan
Lichaj
Herd
Lowry
Osbourne
Johnson
Delfouneso
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Ironic that when we are battling away in the championship next season Weimann and Bent could well be playing premiership football. It would be interesting to put together a side made up of ex Villa players that are now playing for other clubs. Probably be a pretty good side.
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on that very sobering note, happy new year!
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Scary that maybe only Veretout for Red Coker is plausible in that side. The rest would pick themselves. Hell a back 4 with Davies and Collins would be more effective than ours. We have made some awful decisions in the market. If Garde can improve that a marginal amount we will improve.
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Surely anyone decent and with any career prospects wouldn't sign for us. If they did you would have to question their motives signing for a team destined for the Championship.
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Right it's January. When is the presser?
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Right it's January. When is the presser?
Window opens tomorrow
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I remember Danny Mills saying last season that the only players signing for a club struggling to avoid relegation in Jamuary are mercenaries.
Danny Mills, the ex Norwich City, Charlton, Leeds, Man City, Derby, Hull City and Middlesbrough player.
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Right it's January. When is the presser?
Window opens tomorrow
They should rename it then. False advertising that is.
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Surely anyone decent and with any career prospects wouldn't sign for us. If they did you would have to question their motives signing for a team destined for the Championship.
I quite agree. Who in their right mind would want anything to do with us?
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Surely anyone decent and with any career prospects wouldn't sign for us. If they did you would have to question their motives signing for a team destined for the Championship.
Yet come the summer, we will be an attractive prospect to the better Championship players if we do go down. I think that is where we should be looking and be looking to add better quality players if we go back up again.
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I think it's a no brainer for decent Championship players. If we stay up, they're in the Premier League and they'll probably be on desperation wages. If we go down, they'll be in the position they are now - battling at the top of the Championship. The only difference is they'll be playing for one of the biggest clubs there is rather than Brighton or Middlesbrough.
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I think it's a no brainer for decent Championship players. If we stay up, they're in the Premier League and they'll probably be on desperation wages. If we go down, they'll be in the position they are now - battling at the top of the Championship. The only difference is they'll be playing for one of the biggest clubs there is rather than Brighton or Middlesbrough.
Really?? ::)
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I think it's a no brainer for decent Championship players. If we stay up, they're in the Premier League and they'll probably be on desperation wages. If we go down, they'll be in the position they are now - battling at the top of the Championship. The only difference is they'll be playing for one of the biggest clubs there is rather than Brighton or Middlesbrough.
Who are the most promising players in the Championship?
1. That right back at Leeds?
2. Will Hughes - probably a bit beyond us but worth asking.
3. I've read about a couple of attacking players at Bolton.
4. Dembele at Fulham.
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I'd definitely take that Sam Byron is it? We seriously need a midfield leader and strong centre back too though. Lewis Dunk at Brighton looks big and commanding. Striker wise, I have no idea, there's a clutch of young forwards in the Championship and I think they'd all cost a decent amount of money.
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Judge at Brentford?
Rhodes at Blackburn?
Worth remembering that we already have one if the best Championship forwards already in our midst.
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He's shit though. Worth keeping as a squad member in that division but I'd rather we bring in someone who may be capable of playing premiership football and the panto horse isn't.
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I'd definitely take that Sam Byron is it? We seriously need a midfield leader and strong centre back too though. Lewis Dunk at Brighton looks big and commanding. Striker wise, I have no idea, there's a clutch of young forwards in the Championship and I think they'd all cost a decent amount of money.
He's also very prone to making a massive mistake or 3 during the game, so I guess he'd fit in a treat!
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I'd definitely take that Sam Byron is it? We seriously need a midfield leader and strong centre back too though. Lewis Dunk at Brighton looks big and commanding. Striker wise, I have no idea, there's a clutch of young forwards in the Championship and I think they'd all cost a decent amount of money.
He's also very prone to making a massive mistake or 3 during the game, so I guess he'd fit in a treat!
Dream partnership him and Baker.
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Surely at the back Baker Okore and Lescott with be the main ones. I would sell Clark and Richards.
I see Graham doing well again for Wolves. Guessing we did not insist on first refusal or a buy back price like Barca did with Traore. Very clear that going forward you need phase down there. Something we have lacked for a long while now.
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According to French press we are in talks with Montpellier defender Congre. Hopefully there is not a line of clubs in for him. Looks an athletic specimen.
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Being linked with utility defender Daniel Congre in the Daily Express according to newsnow.
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Ironic that when we are battling away in the championship next season Weimann and Bent could well be playing premiership football. It would be interesting to put together a side made up of ex Villa players that are now playing for other clubs. Probably be a pretty good side.
Neither of those two have pulled up many trees, or any at all, for Derby this season.
Think there are a number of players in our current squad that would improve in a better set up than AVFC.
Something is rotten at AVFC that stretches beyond the players and management.
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I'd definitely take that Sam Byron is it? We seriously need a midfield leader and strong centre back too though. Lewis Dunk at Brighton looks big and commanding. Striker wise, I have no idea, there's a clutch of young forwards in the Championship and I think they'd all cost a decent amount of money.
He's also very prone to making a massive mistake or 3 during the game, so I guess he'd fit in a treat!
Dream partnership him and Baker.
Aye, just so long as we're partial to a recurring nightmare. :D
To be fair to Lewis Dunk, he looked a real prospect when he came into the BHA 1st team & there were a number of PL clubs that were very interested in snaffling him. Unfortunately for the lad, he was dragged into the scandal in a Brighton hotel which involved a young woman & a couple of other young Albion pro's: and although he was acquitted of any untoward involvement, it certainly seemed to have had a detrimental effect on his career. I vaguely recall that he suffered a bad injury soon after which kept him sidelined for a lengthy period, so that certainly wouldn't have helped either. He could well achieve his full potential yet, of course, but I don't think he'd be worth Villa taking a punt on him at the moment.
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Surely at the back Baker Okore and Lescott with be the main ones. I would sell Clark and Richards.
I believe that we should be looking at who is the best younger prospect (probably Okore) and then look to bring in an experienced strong central defender on the opposite side. No way would I go into next season with Okore and Baker/Clark as all three of these need to be playing alongside and experienced player who can organise the defence. Lescott will be past it as a first choice next season but useful as a reserve.
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Being linked with utility defender Daniel Congre in the Daily Express according to newsnow.
The description "utility" always makes me think, "Jack of all trades..."
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Being linked with utility defender Daniel Congre in the Daily Express according to newsnow.
The description "utility" always makes me think, "Jack of all trades..."
Yes, like Bacuna, not very good anywhere on the pitch.
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According to French press we are in talks with Montpellier defender Congre. Hopefully there is not a line of clubs in for him.
Very good.
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I'd definitely take that Sam Byron is it? We seriously need a midfield leader and strong centre back too though. Lewis Dunk at Brighton looks big and commanding. Striker wise, I have no idea, there's a clutch of young forwards in the Championship and I think they'd all cost a decent amount of money.
Sam Byram is a quality player. His contract runs out at the end of this season and Leeds are expected to sell him in this window to get some cash.
He's probably too good to choose us currently, sadly.
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Link to The Express story - http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/630749/Aston-Villa-Remi-Garde-Daniel-Congre-January-transfer-Premier-League-transfer-news-gossip
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Being linked with utility defender Daniel Congre in the Daily Express according to newsnow.
The description "utility" always makes me think, "Jack of all trades..."
Yes, like Bacuna, not very good anywhere on the pitch.
'Club man of the year'
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I'd definitely take that Sam Byron is it? We seriously need a midfield leader and strong centre back too though. Lewis Dunk at Brighton looks big and commanding. Striker wise, I have no idea, there's a clutch of young forwards in the Championship and I think they'd all cost a decent amount of money.
He's also very prone to making a massive mistake or 3 during the game, so I guess he'd fit in a treat!
Weren't we linked to Danny Batth from Wolves in the not too distant past?
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Don't think its even worth doing any shopping in January.
Anyone with real value would want a relegation clause and relegation being imminent that just throwing good money away. (Learner money so it might be ok anyway)
Some might even consider coming here, playing through spring to attract offers from PL clubs. But no way we getting a teamplayer thats proud to wear the shirt for the better part of their career.
Besides we got a squad that looks excellent...for Championship fotball.
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According to French press we are in talks with Montpellier defender Congre. Hopefully there is not a line of clubs in for him. Looks an athletic specimen.
Good grief he is 30!
Just what the hell is our transfer policy, for that matter have we actually got one except for FIFA 16?
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can Aston Villa pay better wages at championship level for some players who might be on lower wages in French/Spanish/Portugese/Dutch League. Just asking if this is doable or not.
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According to French press we are in talks with Montpellier defender Congre. Hopefully there is not a line of clubs in for him. Looks an athletic specimen.
Good grief he is 30!
Just what the hell is our transfer policy, for that matter have we actually got one except for FIFA 16?
If he was 20 no doubt you'd be moaning he was too young. What's wrong with signing a thirty year old?
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can Aston Villa pay better wages at championship level for some players who might be on lower wages in French/Spanish/Portugese/Dutch League. Just asking if this is doable or not.
Yes we could. Apart from the top European clubs most of the rest of them pay what we would consider small wages in our league. Only Juve, Roma and AC Milan have higher wage bills than us in Italy for example. Nzogbia is on as much as Carlos Tevez and would be one of the biggest earners in Italy.
We would need to scout very well and convince players to join the Championship.
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A 30 year old who's never kicked a ball in England shoved into a championship bound side with no idea who the personnel will be or who will be manager when we kick off next August. Sounds a cracking plan
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A 30 year old who's never kicked a ball in England shoved into a championship bound side with no idea who the personnel will be or who will be manager when we kick off next August. Sounds a cracking plan
Presumably you don't want us to sign anyone at all then.
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A 30 year old who's never kicked a ball in England shoved into a championship bound side with no idea who the personnel will be or who will be manager when we kick off next August. Sounds a cracking plan
Presumably you don't want us to sign anyone at all then.
Not really no. A few loan signings if Garde thinks we have a chance to stay up is all i'd be looking for. Other than that, i'd say Garde probably has a 50/50 chance of being here when we start next season and that's based on the fan's opinions. Whatever the idiots in charge do is quite another matter. I certainly wouldn't put it past them to sack him before we get to May. I'm all for a punt on a player, sometimes it works out often not, but a 30 year old defender from france with no experience of the championship doesn't really convince me that reality has set in yet at Villa Park
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A 30 year old who's never kicked a ball in England shoved into a championship bound side with no idea who the personnel will be or who will be manager when we kick off next August. Sounds a cracking plan
Presumably you don't want us to sign anyone at all then.
Not really no. A few loan signings if Garde thinks we have a chance to stay up is all i'd be looking for. Other than that, i'd say Garde probably has a 50/50 chance of being here when we start next season and that's based on the fan's opinions. Whatever the idiots in charge do is quite another matter. I certainly wouldn't put it past them to sack him before we get to May. I'm all for a punt on a player, sometimes it works out often not, but a 30 year old defender from france with no experience of the championship doesn't really convince me that reality has set in yet at Villa Park
Whoever we sign would face the same problems.
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can Aston Villa pay better wages at championship level for some players who might be on lower wages in French/Spanish/Portugese/Dutch League. Just asking if this is doable or not.
Yes we could. Apart from the top European clubs most of the rest of them pay what we would consider small wages in our league. Only Juve, Roma and AC Milan have higher wage bills than us in Italy for example. Nzogbia is on as much as Carlos Tevez and would be one of the biggest earners in Italy.
We would need to scout very well and convince players to join the Championship.
Agreed. I seem to remember reading somewhere that the Championship is the fifth richest league in Europe.
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A 30 year old who's never kicked a ball in England shoved into a championship bound side with no idea who the personnel will be or who will be manager when we kick off next August. Sounds a cracking plan
Presumably you don't want us to sign anyone at all then.
Not really no. A few loan signings if Garde thinks we have a chance to stay up is all i'd be looking for. Other than that, i'd say Garde probably has a 50/50 chance of being here when we start next season and that's based on the fan's opinions. Whatever the idiots in charge do is quite another matter. I certainly wouldn't put it past them to sack him before we get to May. I'm all for a punt on a player, sometimes it works out often not, but a 30 year old defender from france with no experience of the championship doesn't really convince me that reality has set in yet at Villa Park
Whoever we sign would face the same problems.
yes of course. The reason i mentioned loan players is a)they could be of the quality we need to pull off a great escape because b)they don't have to live with relegation. Convincing a premiership quality player to come here permanently is gonna be hard sell unless Lerner agrees not to cut their wages if we go down. Very unlikely i'd say, so you're left with the desperate/rubbish or those coming into a league from abroad for the first time who would quite likely be very happy with championship wages. The trouble with the latter catagory is they're unproven and if lerner and co decide to go off on another tangent in 6 months time and change manager we're have another batch of useless players to go with all the others still on the books from various failed managerial reigns. Now as i'm one of those looking more towards next season and constructing a side who will hopefully get promoted, a very injury prone right back known for his pace who's 30 doesn't fill me with confidence
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A 30 year old who's never kicked a ball in England shoved into a championship bound side with no idea who the personnel will be or who will be manager when we kick off next August. Sounds a cracking plan
And has only been 'linked'.
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A 30 year old who's never kicked a ball in England shoved into a championship bound side with no idea who the personnel will be or who will be manager when we kick off next August. Sounds a cracking plan
Presumably you don't want us to sign anyone at all then.
Not really no. A few loan signings if Garde thinks we have a chance to stay up is all i'd be looking for. Other than that, i'd say Garde probably has a 50/50 chance of being here when we start next season and that's based on the fan's opinions. Whatever the idiots in charge do is quite another matter. I certainly wouldn't put it past them to sack him before we get to May. I'm all for a punt on a player, sometimes it works out often not, but a 30 year old defender from france with no experience of the championship doesn't really convince me that reality has set in yet at Villa Park
Whoever we sign would face the same problems.
yes of course. The reason i mentioned loan players is a)they could be of the quality we need to pull off a great escape because b)they don't have to live with relegation. Convincing a premiership quality player to come here permanently is gonna be hard sell unless Lerner agrees not to cut their wages if we go down. Very unlikely i'd say, so you're left with the desperate/rubbish or those coming into a league from abroad for the first time who would quite likely be very happy with championship wages. The trouble with the latter catagory is they're unproven and if lerner and co decide to go off on another tangent in 6 months time and change manager we're have another batch of useless players to go with all the others still on the books from various failed managerial reigns. Now as i'm one of those looking more towards next season and constructing a side who will hopefully get promoted, a very injury prone right back known for his pace who's 30 doesn't fill me with confidence
Do you promise not to compain if we don't sign anyone? Promise?
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A 30 year old who's never kicked a ball in England shoved into a championship bound side with no idea who the personnel will be or who will be manager when we kick off next August. Sounds a cracking plan
So we shouldn't sign another player this month in case we have a new manager? Wow.
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A 30 year old who's never kicked a ball in England shoved into a championship bound side with no idea who the personnel will be or who will be manager when we kick off next August. Sounds a cracking plan
Presumably you don't want us to sign anyone at all then.
Not really no. A few loan signings if Garde thinks we have a chance to stay up is all i'd be looking for. Other than that, i'd say Garde probably has a 50/50 chance of being here when we start next season and that's based on the fan's opinions. Whatever the idiots in charge do is quite another matter. I certainly wouldn't put it past them to sack him before we get to May. I'm all for a punt on a player, sometimes it works out often not, but a 30 year old defender from france with no experience of the championship doesn't really convince me that reality has set in yet at Villa Park
Whoever we sign would face the same problems.
yes of course. The reason i mentioned loan players is a)they could be of the quality we need to pull off a great escape because b)they don't have to live with relegation. Convincing a premiership quality player to come here permanently is gonna be hard sell unless Lerner agrees not to cut their wages if we go down. Very unlikely i'd say, so you're left with the desperate/rubbish or those coming into a league from abroad for the first time who would quite likely be very happy with championship wages. The trouble with the latter catagory is they're unproven and if lerner and co decide to go off on another tangent in 6 months time and change manager we're have another batch of useless players to go with all the others still on the books from various failed managerial reigns. Now as i'm one of those looking more towards next season and constructing a side who will hopefully get promoted, a very injury prone right back known for his pace who's 30 doesn't fill me with confidence
Do you promise not to compain if we don't sign anyone? Promise?
Already said it would be a good idea earlier in this thread. Now if Garde wants to bring in a few loans and go for it, then yep its worth a try, but 3-4 players signed permanently trying to stay up seems daft to me. If they're for the championship campaign then wait till August - It will at least be a bit cheaper, and the players will know who and what they're joining
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Why don't we just pull a big fuck off white flag out and tell the other sides in the division that we have accepted relegation as our fate.
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Why don't we just pull a big fuck off white flag out and tell the other sides in the division that we have accepted relegation as our fate.
*looks at table*
I think they already know
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I can see Randy and co keeping their powder dry until summer, just in case we need a new manager as well.
A couple of throws of the dice at short term loans would be my guess.
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We need some Greek players.
There must be fantastic value to be had in Greece.
Randy/Paddy get on the case.
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Why don't we just pull a big fuck off white flag out and tell the other sides in the division that we have accepted relegation as our fate.
*looks at table*
I think they already know
After 20 games last season, Leicester had 14 points only 6 more than we have at the moment and they survived
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Changing managers is crazy. The problems started long before Garde came and he's only been able to work with what he found at the club. Garde will have had a good amount of time to see what the problems are, know the personalities of the players and be much better positioned to make the right changes come the summer than somebody who start with a clean slate.
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Why don't we just pull a big fuck off white flag out and tell the other sides in the division that we have accepted relegation as our fate.
*looks at table*
I think they already know
After 20 games last season, Leicester had 14 points only 6 more than we have at the moment and they survived
and 6 points less would have seen them relegated or perhaps stayed up on goal difference. People need to forget the Leicester thing because in football terms it is bizarre.. It's pretty much a one off and for every team where something "clicked", there's 10 teams who pretty much went down without a whimper. Good luck to them but suggesting we're gonna produce an escape act better than they managed is stretching common sense to the limit for me, especially the way we're playing
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Looking at the stats in l'equipe ,Congre seems to have been a regular for his two Ligue 1 clubs and despite 2 injury hit seasons has played over 300 games and also represented France U21s. Suggests more pedigree than Luna,Crespo etc and a possible upgrade on Bacuna or Hutton.
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He looks like a fairly experienced defender. If he can defend great. At the end of the day we will still need a decent defender next season
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Only because he's been mentioned before
Loic Remy will consider January transfer options. (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/chelseas-loic-remy-consider-transfer-7100293)
Also
PSG Keeper Salvatore Sirigu apparently not interested (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-salvatore-sirigu-approach-7103012)
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Why don't we just pull a big fuck off white flag out and tell the other sides in the division that we have accepted relegation as our fate.
We don't need to go that far TV, they already know that. As, it appears, do all our players judging by the shit they serve up every match
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Looking at the stats in l'equipe ,Congre seems to have been a regular for his two Ligue 1 clubs and despite 2 injury hit seasons has played over 300 games and also represented France U21s. Suggests more pedigree than Luna,Crespo etc and a possible upgrade on Bacuna or Hutton.
Maybe but a pacey right-back who's game is all about his speed getting to 30? Usually the pace is what they're about, and once the pace is gone, the defensive side is bollocks. if he's costing us peanuts then by all means but a 30 year old for 3m+ about to experience his 1st visit to the dark regions of the championship. fuck that. Save the money, wait for the summer so we know who is on board for the journey. As i said on another thread there's the basis of a good championship side there. Buy a good championship right-back Players like bacuna/luna get them out if possible. Walking calamities like hutton would probably do a job in the championship. FFS buy a midfielder who can put his foot in and let the others play though. We need a hard bastard in there for the championship
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We need a couple of experienced heads in midfield that can win the ball and keep it, but more importantly set the tone for the rest of the side.
But this guy seems to be cheap due to his contact, fairly athletic and able to play across the back. Crespo was meant to do that but seems to be missing in action
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We need a couple of experienced heads in midfield that can win the ball and keep it, but more importantly set the tone for the rest of the side.
He played for Leicester the other night so I can't see them letting him go, but Inler is exactly the type of player you have mentioned.
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Oh agree Inler is perfect but I think we need a couple like that to sell a project to and get them to lead. Said the other day Pulis pulled a rabbit out with Fletcher last January. We need a couple of experienced buy quality midfielders to galvanise the side. It would help at both ends.
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We need a couple of experienced heads in midfield that can win the ball and keep it, but more importantly set the tone for the rest of the side.
yep, it's the biggest wtf of this season really. There is no-one in midfield who can play a bit rough or dominate in midfield. Hasn't been one for a long time really
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We need a couple of experienced heads in midfield that can win the ball and keep it, but more importantly set the tone for the rest of the side.
yep, it's the biggest wtf of this season really. There is no-one in midfield who can play a bit rough or dominate in midfield. Hasn't been one for a long time really
Even Arsenal, the nancy boys of the division, roughed us up. Veretout was outraged and tried to get in an early equalising reducer. That says it all.
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Veretout is the only one with real genuine fight about him. The others in there are just not up to it in my opinion. Sanchez is missed badly when out but more for his position than ability. He has no consistency.
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I thought Gueye had a bit about him when he joined, stuck his foot in a bit but he's been in hiding for months. Don't think he has the heart for the fight. A dominating Centre Mid is a necessity, haven't got a bloody clue who though.
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Oh agree Inler is perfect but I think we need a couple like that to sell a project to and get them to lead. Said the other day Pulis pulled a rabbit out with Fletcher last January. We need a couple of experienced buy quality midfielders to galvanise the side. It would help at both ends.
Fletcher was a massive gamble that has worked for them so far. Knowing our luck, if Fletcher and Jonny Evans had signed for us they'd have spent most of the season reminiscing about the Theatre of Dreams on the treatment tables.
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I thought Gueye had a bit about him when he joined, stuck his foot in a bit but he's been in hiding for months. Don't think he has the heart for the fight. A dominating Centre Mid is a necessity, haven't got a bloody clue who though.
His decline has been very disappointing. Quite similar to KEA. Thought he looked okay for his first few games when he joined and then he just disappeared and he never really found form again...and even so, Gana isn't even hitting the levels that KEA managed during his standard performance level (which is to say, mediocre).
I really hope he improves again. He was very consistent in France but we've not seen that so far. I totally agree too, he hasn't looked like he has the heart.
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I thought Gueye had a bit about him when he joined, stuck his foot in a bit but he's been in hiding for months. Don't think he has the heart for the fight. A dominating Centre Mid is a necessity, haven't got a bloody clue who though.
yep. same here. few in the championship who may jump ship, possibly. Abroad have no idea, but mebbe garde knows a Vieira type? We're f**cked if he doesn't
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Veretout is the only one with real genuine fight about him. The others in there are just not up to it in my opinion. Sanchez is missed badly when out but more for his position than ability. He has no consistency.
I agree, ozzjim.
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We need a right back desperately. The volume of goals Hutton costs us is a joke.
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We need a right back desperately. The volume of goals Hutton costs us is a joke.
We've got a title winning, a England capped one in the squad!!
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There is too much for Garde to do in one window in order to rescue us. For every player he brings in, there will remain in place another one that we could do with replacing. Yes we need a right back, a keeper, a forward and a central mid. But, we will still have no depth in the squad due to the same old rubbish available outside the starting eleven. That said, he has to start somewhere. Inler would be a useful player to bring in.
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I thought Gueye had a bit about him when he joined, stuck his foot in a bit but he's been in hiding for months. Don't think he has the heart for the fight. A dominating Centre Mid is a necessity, haven't got a bloody clue who though.
agree, he reminds me of el ahmadi runs about a lot and delivers fuck all
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I'd definitely take that Sam Byron is it? We seriously need a midfield leader and strong centre back too though. Lewis Dunk at Brighton looks big and commanding. Striker wise, I have no idea, there's a clutch of young forwards in the Championship and I think they'd all cost a decent amount of money.
Sam Byram is a quality player. His contract runs out at the end of this season and Leeds are expected to sell him in this window to get some cash.
He's probably too good to choose us currently, sadly.
Typical spurs signing
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We need a right back desperately. The volume of goals Hutton costs us is a joke.
So many , i know everyone has been bad but mcgrath ,we have been punished for his and hes done too many.
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I would be looking at a full back, 2 centre mids a striker and a keeper this Jan. 4 is plenty, but you could easily sign 6-7 players and still need more. The midfield though, if we sort it will have the biggest impact. A back 4 of Ciccokho, Lescott, Okore, Richards on paper is actually not awful.
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We will end up with a last day scramble to get Crouch and Adam in on loan with Sorensen being bought back to replace Guzan.
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Back Garde for loans and free transfers only please Villa.
Take a look at him for the remaining games, move on to pastures new if he turns out to be merde as I suspect he may well be.
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Are there any FA rules that prevent us from selling everyone?
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I suspect the only impediment is that they are all worthless shitbags whom no one in their right mind would want to employ as professional footballers
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I suspect the only impediment is that they are all worthless shitbags whom no one in their right mind would want to employ as professional footballers
As someone wiser than me once said :
"They can come and clean the windows at BRMB"
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I think only Ayew will be sought by others come May. No one would keep us up with our current back 4 and midfield.
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Mile Jedinak, James Chester, all meh signings in the premier league. However we have to look to the long term and those are the sorts we'd need for the championship, players who are experienced at that level and can roll their sleeves up and battle and scrap on bleak midweeks in Rotherham.
I know Dave was making the point on here a few days ago that teams like Derby don't play like that down there but they still had a solid core of experienced campaigners like Baird, Warnock, Keogh that allows their ball playing central midfielders to flourish.
We need a similar structure to allow our flair players the platform to then win games for us....if we actually have any left. Or the other option is just lumping the ball up to Gestede and hope he thinks he's still playing for Blackburn which fills me with dread.
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Buy all the best championship players and give them five months of premier league football.
- intercepted Tom Fox email.
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Buy all the best championship players and give them five months of premier league football.
- intercepted Tom Fox email.
heh. You could imagine him proposing that, but the reality is we haven't got the money. I'd still prefer us to stick to the loan market rather than buy a few players for a lost cause. If we get 25m for ayew, gil, vertout, Traore and hopefully a few more in the summer, then we'll have reasonable transfer fund to give to whoever's managing us.
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Buy all the best championship players and give them five months of premier league football.
- intercepted Tom Fox email.
heh. You could imagine him proposing that, but the reality is we haven't got the money. I'd still prefer us to stick to the loan market rather than buy a few players for a lost cause. If we get 25m for ayew, gil, vertout, Traore and hopefully a few more in the summer, then we'll have reasonable transfer fund to give to whoever's managing us.
Heh. The Gnasher will sue you for breach of idiom. *facepalm*.
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Mile Jedinak, James Chester, all meh signings in the premier league. However we have to look to the long term and those are the sorts we'd need for the championship, players who are experienced at that level and can roll their sleeves up and battle and scrap on bleak midweeks in Rotherham.
I know Dave was making the point on here a few days ago that teams like Derby don't play like that down there but they still had a solid core of experienced campaigners like Baird, Warnock, Keogh that allows their ball playing central midfielders to flourish.
We need a similar structure to allow our flair players the platform to then win games for us....if we actually have any left. Or the other option is just lumping the ball up to Gestede and hope he thinks he's still playing for Blackburn which fills me with dread.
Said Jedinak for weeks. In and captain for me. Chester in the summer as I doubt they would let him go yet is ideal.
We will need wingers too that can supply. I would love us to go get Matt Phillips but I doubt he would come.
If only we have signed Austin and Phillips in the summer.
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Mile Jedinak, James Chester, all meh signings in the premier league. However we have to look to the long term and those are the sorts we'd need for the championship, players who are experienced at that level and can roll their sleeves up and battle and scrap on bleak midweeks in Rotherham.
I know Dave was making the point on here a few days ago that teams like Derby don't play like that down there but they still had a solid core of experienced campaigners like Baird, Warnock, Keogh that allows their ball playing central midfielders to flourish.
We need a similar structure to allow our flair players the platform to then win games for us....if we actually have any left. Or the other option is just lumping the ball up to Gestede and hope he thinks he's still playing for Blackburn which fills me with dread.
Said Jedinak for weeks. In and captain for me. Chester in the summer as I doubt they would let him go yet is ideal.
We will need wingers too that can supply. I would love us to go get Matt Phillips but I doubt he would come.
If only we have signed Austin and Phillips in the summer.
We need to sign Steve Austin and be taken over by Philips.
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If Phillips take over we'll really be screwed!
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Boom! He's here all week.
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Buy all the best championship players and give them five months of premier league football.
- intercepted Tom Fox email.
Was that email sent in the summer?
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'Some' people say football agents earn disgraceful money leeching off the beautiful game but they'll be earning their corn if they can get their players to agree to join us this month. Poor old Remi didn't seem overly confident he will recruit the 3 or so players he desperately needs for starters. I saw Deadly conducted an interview from his coffin recently, saying he'd pledged not to interfere unless his advice was requested. Needless to say no call has been forthcoming. If HDE is uninformed what hope does the average fan have.
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I'd try and get Jordan Rhodes. May hit the ground running, scores goals in the championship, works with Gestede. Lambert may tell us to GTF though and I wouldn't blame him.
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So apparently one of the papers has said that Luke Moore is back at the club to work on his fitness and that he's "hoping to impress" Garde...
ha ha.
The way the club is right now, I could honestly see that happening on the final day of the window when we've failed to bring anyone in.
Saying that, I bet Luke would work a damn sight harder than Gabby and couldn't do any worse than Gestede.
And when did Luke Moore turn 29??? I still think of him as a 20 year old up and comer.
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A back 4 of Ciccokho, Lescott, Okore, Richards on paper is actually not awful.
I respectfully disagree, unfortunately with Okore's injuries he hasn't progressed and we should cut him in the summer. Lescott and Cissokho are two of the worst defenders I've seen at the club. Richards is a class a pr*ck and a charlatan of a defender to boot. The supporting cast of Hutton, Bennett, Baker, Rico all should go too.
Chester, Michael Keane, Marc Wilson, Geoff Cameron - kind of no nonsense characters we need to bring in
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I would be looking at a full back, 2 centre mids a striker and a keeper this Jan. 4 is plenty, but you could easily sign 6-7 players and still need more. The midfield though, if we sort it will have the biggest impact. A back 4 of Ciccokho, Lescott, Okore, Richards on paper is actually not awful.
It's when they step on turf its a problem.
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So apparently one of the papers has said that Luke Moore is back at the club to work on his fitness and that he's "hoping to impress" Garde...
ha ha.
The way the club is right now, I could honestly see that happening on the final day of the window when we've failed to bring anyone in.
Saying that, I bet Luke would work a damn sight harder than Gabby and couldn't do any worse than Gestede.
And when did Luke Moore turn 29??? I still think of him as a 20 year old up and comer.
Have Mellberg and Larsson been spotted around the place as well?
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Okore and Lescott played OK together. To cut 22 year old that has shown promise would be madness.
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We need to start building for next season now. We are not going to take another 30+ points to stay up, we're down already so let's plan ahead. None of this getting French players we've never heard of, we need players with experience in this country, players with fight, players to get us out the Championship. Seasoned professionals who are up for a scrap, especially in midfield. Our midfield is too nice and too small, we need a big bugger in there.
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I don't see the point in signing loan players now. Either go with what we have or buy for the championship.
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I don't see the point in signing loan players now. Either go with what we have or buy for the championship.
this
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Anyone think Altidore could cut it in the Championship
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Anyone think Altidore could cut it in the Championship
As a player or the manager?
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Anyone think Altidore could cut it in the Championship
Maybe in a championship but not the one we're diving towards. From memory he looks mediocre in the MLS.
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Anyone think Altidore could cut it in the Championship
He looks like he could cut a big piece of cake.
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Anyone think Altidore could cut it in the Championship
Maybe in a championship but not the one we're diving towards. From memory he looks mediocre in the MLS.
Yep, it's about his level. There are good players in MLS, but Altidore isn't even top 50. In English terms he could do a job in the championship but I wouldn't be pinning my promotion hopes on him.
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Anyone think Altidore could cut it in the Championship
As a player or the manager?
Chairman/owner.
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With rumours of Senderos going to Lazio it made me think of how many players we have ruined over the past few years. Supposed young English talent such as Bennett and Lowton disappear without a trace. Supposed experienced players like Crespo who could play anywhere across the back four apparently has one start and again disappears also see Senderos. The bizarre signing of Ilori....... I have come to the conclusion that body snatchers have moved into Bodymoor.
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I'd try and get Jordan Rhodes. May hit the ground running, scores goals in the championship, works with Gestede. Lambert may tell us to GTF though and I wouldn't blame him.
Disgustingly disrespectful to HDE - but brilliantly funny at the same time :) And speaks a lot of sense.
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With rumours of Senderos going to Lazio it made me think of how many players we have ruined over the past few years. Supposed young English talent such as Bennett and Lowton disappear without a trace. Supposed experienced players like Crespo who could play anywhere across the back four apparently has one start and again disappears also see Senderos. The bizarre signing of Ilori....... I have come to the conclusion that body snatchers have moved into Bodymoor.
To be fair mate, Villa took Lowton and Bennett from the lower leagues and took them into the spotlight and have enhanced their career, despite them returning to the lower leagues, well, certainly in Lowton's case anyway. Villa also rescued Senderos as he wasn't really connected to a club when he was signed. That said, they are all piss poor signings and shouldn't have been made. Equally, Crespo seems to have had his time wasted by coming to Villa. I wish them all well, but what a bag of shit we signed.
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With rumours of Senderos going to Lazio it made me think of how many players we have ruined over the past few years. Supposed young English talent such as Bennett and Lowton disappear without a trace. Supposed experienced players like Crespo who could play anywhere across the back four apparently has one start and again disappears also see Senderos. The bizarre signing of Ilori....... I have come to the conclusion that body snatchers have moved into Bodymoor.
To be fair mate, Villa took Lowton and Bennett from the lower leagues and took them into the spotlight and have enhanced their career, despite them returning to the lower leagues, well, certainly in Lowton's case anyway. Villa also rescued Senderos as he wasn't really connected to a club when he was signed. That said, they are all piss poor signings and shouldn't have been made. Equally, Crespo seems to have had his time wasted by coming to Villa. I wish them all well, but what a bag of shit we signed.
Lowton came from Sheffield United and went to Burnley. That's not much of a career enhancement.
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Lowton has played 6 times for Burnley...
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Just before anyone starts up another Bennett is decent/has potential band wagon, Bournemouth lost their first choice full back and would still rather pick their 2 and 3rd choice than have Bennett in that squad. He's shit and a fanny who gets physically bullied.
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Luke Cunting Moore...
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Been linked with a player called Khazi too.
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Been linked with a player called Khazi too.
Are you sure it wasn't just a comment on where our season is headed down?
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Anyone think Altidore could cut it in the Championship
As a player or the manager?
Chairman/owner.
Coach........................................................driver.
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With rumours of Senderos going to Lazio it made me think of how many players we have ruined over the past few years. Supposed young English talent such as Bennett and Lowton disappear without a trace. Supposed experienced players like Crespo who could play anywhere across the back four apparently has one start and again disappears also see Senderos. The bizarre signing of Ilori....... I have come to the conclusion that body snatchers have moved into Bodymoor.
To be fair mate, Villa took Lowton and Bennett from the lower leagues and took them into the spotlight and have enhanced their career, despite them returning to the lower leagues, well, certainly in Lowton's case anyway. Villa also rescued Senderos as he wasn't really connected to a club when he was signed. That said, they are all piss poor signings and shouldn't have been made. Equally, Crespo seems to have had his time wasted by coming to Villa. I wish them all well, but what a bag of shit we signed.
Lowton came from Sheffield United and went to Burnley. That's not much of a career enhancement.
He should never have come here in the first place though. Never ever going to be good enough at this level. He's probably lucky to still be playing in the Championship.
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Luke Cunting Moore...
Lets get Stefan back too and play the brothers up front. It'll be 10 years too late and with far too much failed potential pissed out the window, but they can't do too much worse than some of our current lot.
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Just before anyone starts up another Bennett is decent/has potential band wagon, Bournemouth lost their first choice full back and would still rather pick their 2 and 3rd choice than have Bennett in that squad. He's shit and a fanny who gets physically bullied.
the os site had an interview with bennett and he said that he would come back a better player
he was shit at brighton and aint had a sniff at bournemouth so not sure how that works
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Would probably look at Dwight Gayle again. Had a good record in the championship with Peterbrough.
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Good call on Dwight Gayle, think we'd have our pants pulled down with the price though.
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Yes I mentioned him elsewhere. Somebody up front who is direct and quick, to go with two wide players. Hopefully Ayew remains as one, but if not, the money we'd get for him should buy us a couple fast wide men to go with Traore and Sinclair in the squad.
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I like Dwight Gayle. If we could get him on loan note with the option to buy it would be worth doing. Another ex Palace but with them signing others I think Glenn Murray would be a fairly decent signing in the summer. Scores goals at that level and is a half decent target man.
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Bloody hell. Dwight Gayle is a poor player. Thankfully he may be the player we need for next season.
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Dwight Gayle is now in our realistic talent pool. That's how it is when as a destination for quality footballers you're about as appealing as a cup of cold sick.
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Anyone care to guess the date for our first Garde signing? I reckon about the 15th Jan.
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Haven't a clue but this Kharzi fella is another attacking midfielder which is not really that important for us, unless we plan on buying an entire new team this window.
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A 'keeper and a goalscorer would be my priority. Might turn some of these draws into wins to give us some momentum second half of the season.
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We are being linked with a big Croatian keeper. I have a thing about wanting my keepers to be big buggers. Apparently he is 6" 7 and having a good season wherever he is. If he can stop a ball at the near post he will do for me.
I actually think a winger is needed if they are hard working and can get the ball to the strikers. Adama showed is ten minutes the fruit of actually crossing at the weekend buy also mid controlled about 6 times in ten minutes and was a passenger without the ball.
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Watched the Palace game and Jedinak was subbed off if he is the answer to our problems we may as well start following a different sport.
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Watched the Palace game and Jedinak was subbed off if he is the answer to our problems we may as well start following a different sport.
You mean you haven't already?
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Midfield
Personally would like the likes of inler, debaucy , naismith, campbell and Remy but also looking at some squads in prem league here are some viable options-
Darren Gibson. He's needing games for euros and isn't making Everton line up or even bench today. He's good enough for midfield, pretty cultured and can be tigerish. Won't be able to break into team.
Osman if he harbours any hopes for England could come and help link attack great work ethic experienced prem player.
Similarly Ryan Mason Spurs loan him for the rest of term. He's behind in midfield pecking order .
Goffran has been decent in his time and Garde would be familiar
Loftus -Cheek solid Chelsea up and coming good physicality loan?
Jordi Gomez decent footballer, set piece player isn't in big same side knows a relegation battle.
Gibson, Osman, Mason, goffran, loftus-cheek. Along with inler or toulalan.
Strikers / attackers some thoughts
Yan kermogant is decent hold up and big striker not getting look in at Bournemouth and he's french he would do a link up job with ayew.
The young nigerian lad at Manchester city us real goal getter loan him iheanhaneo and Patrick Roberts highly rated would be considerable loan options.
Diamanti at Watford
Armfalitio on a free.
Austin , foresteri , afobe or dembele are good goal scorers in championship and would add goals to villa.
Jamie Mackie fights for cause and is decent pro
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Sign all the midfielders.
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January signings since that mega deal for bent back in 2011 have been few and far between.
Actually pretty shocking
January window
2012 Edna stevens
2013 yacuba sylla
2014 Nothing but grant Holt on loan I think?
2015 Gil . Sinclair on loan
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and you wonder why we are rock bottom
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Why no players in already, I think we all know! No cash again or no forward planning?
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i think it will be an underwhelming window, maybe a couple of foreign signings any decent british based players will avoid us like the plague
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Some will. But others that know they are in that limbo where they are to good for the Championship and not quite good enough for the prem will still come simply because we are Aston Villa and there is an ego thing.
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Why no players in already, I think we all know! No cash again or no forward planning?
8:30am on one of the first working days of the year - tough customer!
It's going to be interesting - if I was sat in Cleveland, I'd be thinking, bollocks to it.
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Why no players in already, I think we all know! No cash again or no forward planning?
8:30am on one of the first working days of the year - tough customer!
It's going to be interesting - if I was sat in Cleveland, I'd be thinking, bollocks to it.
I'm sat in Chichester thinking, bollocks to it!
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Because we now have a transfer committee as part of our structure, which has at least two months to debate our awfull league position. I would have expected two signings straight away, nothing ! This signifies to me that the senior management have accepted relegation.
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Because we now have a transfer committee as part of our structure, which has at least two months to debate our awfull league position. I would have expected two signings straight away, nothing ! This signifies to me that the senior management have accepted relegation.
I think questioning the lack of new signing just over 48 hours into a transfer window is a bit over the top imo.
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Especially as the window only opened today in some places
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Yes, ridiculous criticisms. I'm sure there's plenty to blame them for but this isn't one of them.
Let's face it, we're over a barrel in this window. I'm not even sure if it's worth spunking money on short term signings till May. We're gone, I'm more worried about next season now tbh.
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Why no players in already, I think we all know! No cash again or no forward planning?
8:30am on one of the first working days of the year - tough customer!
It's going to be interesting - if I was sat in Cleveland, I'd be thinking, bollocks to it.
I'm sat in Chichester thinking, bollocks to it!
I'm sat in Sherington, Newport Pagnell thinking bollocks to it
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I'm sat in Goldeneye with Daniel Craig thinking marvellous!
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Some will. But others that know they are in that limbo where they are to good for the Championship and not quite good enough for the prem will still come simply because we are Aston Villa and there is an ego thing.
There are not too many clubs a player can join and be watched by 36,000 fans every week and with expectations as low as ours, I still think we are a catch to the right kind of players with a decent attitude if we sort ourselves out.
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Someone in before the Palace game is a must, the whole team needs a lift and theres no one on the books at the moment capable of it. But it will signal whether we have truly raised the white flag by who and how many we do attract.
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Er excuse me but it aint ridiculous ffs bournemouth had a fuckin player signed three days before window opened. The usual villa fans acceptance of shit again .garde has been here two months and should have lined up players on 00.01 of the window opening, spose more panic buys at 11.30 on jan 31st it is then ffs I give up.
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I'm sure he has lined them up. But who is going to jump at the chance at joining Villa? Which team are not going to think, 'Villa are desperate, lets add another few million to the fee'? Just because we want and need players, doesn't mean Garde has just woken up this morning knowing that there was something he was supposed to do and that he has simply forgotten what.
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Bullshit mate and you know it, I bet you we aint even made a phone call yet.
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Er excuse me but it aint ridiculous ffs bournemouth had a fuckin player signed three days before window opened. The usual villa fans acceptance of shit again .garde has been here two months and should have lined up players on 00.01 of the window opening, spose more panic buys at 11.30 on jan 31st it is then ffs I give up.
I must have hallucinated all those signings in way before "the window slammed shut" in the summer then.
The only signing of recent times that I can remember being anything like that late was Cleverley last summer.
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Er excuse me but it aint ridiculous ffs bournemouth had a fuckin player signed three days before window opened. The usual villa fans acceptance of shit again .garde has been here two months and should have lined up players on 00.01 of the window opening, spose more panic buys at 11.30 on jan 31st it is then ffs I give up.
The club Bournemouth were buying off were most likely happy to do a deal and the player in question was willing to leave. It's not as easy as just going out and signing someone. There needs to be a willing seller and a player willing to move.
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Bullshit mate and you know it, I bet you we aint even made a phone call yet.
I'm pretty certain we have.
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I know Garde has mentioned the need to move some players out, and various posters on here have said the same re shipping out players now or in the summer, but how many (if any) are out of contract by the summer? Not many I think, and so unless we spunk a shed load of money to get rid of the dead wood, I fear we will start next season with pretty much the same shit set of players as we started this one. A Wigan/Bolton scenario anyone?
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I know Garde has mentioned the need to move some players out, and various posters on here have said the same re shipping out players now or in the summer, but how many (if any) are out of contract by the summer?
Cole, Richardson, Senderos and N'zogbia are all out of contract in the summer, which should surely save a fair bit of money. Hopefully the likes of Agbonlahor, Richards and Guzan will also be on the way out.
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I know Garde has mentioned the need to move some players out, and various posters on here have said the same re shipping out players now or in the summer, but how many (if any) are out of contract by the summer?
Cole, Richardson, Senderos and N'zogbia are all out of contract in the summer, which should surely save a fair bit of money. Hopefully the likes of Agbonlahor, Richards and Guzan will also be on the way out.
With that lot off the wage bill we'd have finally got it down to an acceptable level, sadly though we'll be in the Championship. Talk about a false economy!
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the only way GabFlab is leaving is inside a box
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the only way GabFlab is leaving is inside a box
I'd gladly put him in one.
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Richards contracted till 2019,Agbon till 2018 and Guzan till 2017, so we will have to pay them off if we can't get someone to sign them.
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Er excuse me but it aint ridiculous ffs bournemouth had a fuckin player signed three days before window opened. The usual villa fans acceptance of shit again .garde has been here two months and should have lined up players on 00.01 of the window opening, spose more panic buys at 11.30 on jan 31st it is then ffs I give up.
It's not just about what we do, though, is it?
It is about getting clubs to agree deals with us and then talking to players.
Garde might have presented a list on his first day with us, but that means nothing, it is also dependent on clubs other than us.
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the only way GabFlab is leaving is inside a box
I'd gladly put him in one.
Charming.
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the only way GabFlab is leaving is inside a box
I'd gladly put him in one.
I shouldn't laugh. Coarse but amusing.
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Richards contracted till 2019,Agbon till 2018 and Guzan till 2017, so we will have to pay them off if we can't get someone to sign them.
I could see takers for Richards (especially if he admits he is a rubbish CB and moves back to RB) and there is always the otion of Guzan going back to the MLS. I'm afraid we're stuck with Gabby unless he gets a massive offer from some team in the Middle East or China.
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Er excuse me but it aint ridiculous ffs bournemouth had a fuckin player signed three days before window opened. The usual villa fans acceptance of shit again .garde has been here two months and should have lined up players on 00.01 of the window opening, spose more panic buys at 11.30 on jan 31st it is then ffs I give up.
It's not just about what we do, though, is it?
It is about getting clubs to agree deals with us and then talking to players.
Garde might have presented a list on his first day with us, but that means nothing, it is also dependent on clubs other than us.
Did you not know, we should have all players ready on the North Stand car park, kit bag in hand ready to sign. Other clubs getting their targets etc, or haggling on fees etc is completely immaterial. A transfer in January is even tougher as clubs really don't want to let players go.
Being linked with a french lad playing for Braga, who sounds like he has self picked his name for a career in the adult industry.
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Gabby in China...can you imagine? Karl Pilkington's successor come on down.
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the only way GabFlab is leaving is inside a box
I'd gladly put him in one.
Snigger! Completely lacking in taste which just made it funnier
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Gabby in China...can you imagine? Karl Pilkington's successor come on down.
Gabby's 'to do list'
1) Learn to speak English.
2) Learn to speak Tangerine.
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2) Lee Hendrie can help him with that.
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That is very good Singapore. A double pun and a good point in addition. Quite rare.
Tangerine = orange tick
Tan gerine = tan tick
Gabby threw away potential legend status and so did l'il Lee.
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Being linked with a french lad playing for Braga, who sounds like he has self picked his name for a career in the adult industry.
Willy Boly. Reports from France claim Lazio have offered €4m for him which won't be enough.
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He any good Rudy?
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Have we actually been linked with anyone so far?
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yes penis brolly from France, keep (it) up
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yes penis brolly from France, keep (it) up
Oh I thought it was some kind punathon that this place loves so much.
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don't worry its probably just a cock and bull story
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I would be looking at a full back, 2 centre mids a striker and a keeper this Jan. 4 is plenty, but you could easily sign 6-7 players and still need more. The midfield though, if we sort it will have the biggest impact. A back 4 of Ciccokho, Lescott, Okore, Richards on paper is actually not awful.
Not at all. But Captain Bleed For The Shirt refuses to play at right back.
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I'd try and get Jordan Rhodes. May hit the ground running, scores goals in the championship, works with Gestede. Lambert may tell us to GTF though and I wouldn't blame him.
Steals someone else's joke from years ago.
"Rhodes, where we are going, we don't need Rhodes..."
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
If we did I'd hope to see a lot of that stupid chicken-dance.
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
There was a link on Twitter earlier. How old is he these days?
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Yes, ridiculous criticisms. I'm sure there's plenty to blame them for but this isn't one of them.
Let's face it, we're over a barrel in this window. I'm not even sure if it's worth spunking money on short term signings till May. We're gone, I'm more worried about next season now tbh.
Is my take on planning. Don't spend money we could better use in the summer.
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
There was a link on Twitter earlier. How old is he these days?
Only slightly younger than his sisters.
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Bullshit mate and you know it, I bet you we aint even made a phone call yet.
Well I called the Electricity Board and the young man that answered the phone seemed rather confused and said "I'm sorry this really has nothing to do with us".....I tried :)
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did the ghosts of electricity howl in the bones of his face?
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
There was a link on Twitter earlier. How old is he these days?
I think I'd sign him. He could be useful next season.
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33 born in 82. You know his goalscoring record in that league is pretty handy. I think he would be worth it to have his experience next season. Scores 10 from midfield then makes sense.
29 in 85 ish games in the Championship
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I'd take him for a season. Used to hate him when he played against us as he knew & used every trick in the book, but the sort of player you'd want in your side. Might put a rocket up the likes of Jack too
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I hated Nolan more than I did Savage because unlike Savage who was a niggly little shit Nolan was far too fond of the ultimate football cowardice the Achilles stamp. The fact that as a free agent Allardyce hasn't took him to Sunderland tells you all you need to know of what he still has in the playing tank.
Sure we'll probs sign him now.
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I thought Nolan was rumoured to be a pretty disruptive influence in the dressing room, we don't need any more of those. Plus as mentioned above if Allardyce hasn't signed him then that says a lot.
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I'd take him. We need a few grafters and fighters in the side for where we are, and where we're going.
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Nolans wages wouldn't be cheap.
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It really hits home how far and low we've sunk when we're discussing Kevin Nolan as a viable target and most people are agreeing he'd actually improve us.
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
There was a link on Twitter earlier. How old is he these days?
Only slightly younger than his sisters.
and fatter than coleen
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the only way GabFlab is leaving is inside a box
I'd gladly put him in one.
Snigger! Completely lacking in taste which just made it funnier
Someone should try putting him in a condom.
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
Agreed. In the same boat as Lescott and Richardson, Cole and Senderos.
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
Agreed. In the same boat as Lescott and Richardson, Cole and Senderos.
And from what we've seen this season, Richards, Hutton and Guzan.
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
He was brilliant for Newcastle when they came up and then West Ham, but that was a long time ago now. He's done at this level. In fact where is he right now??
We do need that sort of personality and player though. Someone who's been and done it and can still deliver.
But we can't go and sign any old fucker. Players like Cole, Richardson and Lescott are well past it. We need someone who still has something left in the tank but is willing to come and help us rebuild in the championship.
Someone mentioned Barry the other day. Maybe come the summer Everton will be looking to replace and he may be persuaded to come back. He's coming up 35 but he's looked after himself and is still doing it at the top level. I think for a season or two he'd be great for us.
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That was me that mentioned Barry. We are going to need experience in one or two key areas, and I think he'd be ideal.
Otherwise I'd spend January simply getting rid of whoever we can that we won't need next season, so that they can be replaced with suitable alternatives that are.
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Kevin Nolan has always been one of those horrible bastard type players who can also weigh in with a fair amount of goals from midfield, which we've been lacking for about twenty odd years. But...if Nolan couldn't find a starting spot in a team led by his mentor Sam Allardyce last season, we probably wouldn't squeeze anything out of him now.
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Isn't Nolan's fitness a problem?
I say that as West Ham suddenly released him in August. O.k he wasn't in Bilic's plans but why has no one else taken him on? Last I heard he was training with Leyton Orient which suggests he's done at the top level.
I can't stand the bugger either, he must've scored more against us down the years than even Defoe!
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It is strange Sunderland have not taken him on.
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Isn't Nolan's fitness a problem?
I say that as West Ham suddenly released him in August. O.k he wasn't in Bilic's plans but why has no one else taken him on? Last I heard he was training with Leyton Orient which suggests he's done at the top level.
I can't stand the bugger either, he must've scored more against us down the years than even Defoe!
It might not be the case, but it certainly feels like that since football began in '92 every last shit stain club has claimed more points against us than any other. Every other bloody striker has scored more goals against us than anyone else and at least 2 out of 3 goalkeepers have recorded more clean sheets than anyone else.
And I'm f¤¤king fed up to the bleedin' back f##king teeth of hearing it.
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It is strange Sunderland have not taken him on.
Surely today was their first opportunity to do so?
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It is strange Sunderland have not taken him on.
Suspect being an ex Geordie will be a major factor in addition to the fact he's crap these days.
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It is strange Sunderland have not taken him on.
Surely today was their first opportunity to do so?
As a free agent it wasn't though was it? He could have been training there and registered officially today?
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
There was a link on Twitter earlier. How old is he these days?
Only slightly younger than his sisters.
Don't Make Waves.
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Appalling isn't it? Being reduced to considering taking Nolan at this stage in his career. I absolutely despise Lerner and Fox. Completely wrecked a great club. When is Mr Coward Lerner going to make an appearance out of the shadows? He owes us one mighty explanation for the last 5 years. Bright future?
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It is strange Sunderland have not taken him on.
Suspect being an ex Geordie will be a major factor in addition to the fact he's crap these days.
Not a problem for their manager, mind.
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Think he (Nolan)
would be useful addition for coaching staff as he can make our players fight and be more streetwise.
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Leicester are in for Nigel De Jong. 1, he would have been a great signing last summer to give us some bite in midfield but 2. it might free up Inler, who looks the sort I would try and convince to come and lead the Garde era in a similar way he did for Wenger.
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Think he (Nolan)
would be useful addition for coaching staff as he can make our players fight and be more streetwise.
You mean a bit like Keane did?
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For 4 games it worked, and kept us up with Keane!
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A boatload of viagra ain't keeping us up this season.
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Leicester are in for Nigel De Jong. 1, he would have been a great signing last summer to give us some bite in midfield but 2. it might free up Inler, who looks the sort I would try and convince to come and lead the Garde era in a similar way he did for Wenger.
Let's hope they get him quickly so we can have Inler for the Palace game.
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Talking about Nolan joining ...is Erik Bakke still playing he would be just as useless now ...
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Italian news article saying we have outbid Lazio for this Croatian keeper Kalinic. I hope it is true as we are desperate for a keeper that actually saves the slightly more difficult shots. Indeed one that is aware of his near post and can kick a ball straight would be nice. This week even better.
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For 4 games it worked, and kept us up with Keane!
Roy Keane?
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Yeah. 4 games at the start of last season we fought and scrapped. Got to 10 points... lol 10 points in 4 games...
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Italian news article saying we have outbid Lazio for this Croatian keeper Kalinic. I hope it is true as we are desperate for a keeper that actually saves the slightly more difficult shots. Indeed one that is aware of his near post and can kick a ball straight would be nice. This week even better.
I never thought I'd be more desperate for a footballer that can kick a ball.
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Italian news article saying we have outbid Lazio for this Croatian keeper Kalinic. I hope it is true as we are desperate for a keeper that actually saves the slightly more difficult shots. Indeed one that is aware of his near post and can kick a ball straight would be nice. This week even better.
I never thought I'd be more desperate for a footballer that can kick a ball.
Just need another 10 who can do the same and were in business
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
Agreed. In the same boat as Lescott and Richardson, Cole and Senderos.
And from what we've seen this season, Richards, Hutton and Guzan.
Why does Hutton always get thrown in with comments like this? He's been one of the few players who has been pretty good for us over the last two years.
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I must admit I can forgive Hutton his mistakes, he looks like he tries hard and being both a last ditch defender and our only attacker down the right must be tiring. I'm not one for stats but Id be pretty surprised if he hadn't run the most miles in the team, although that might very well be in 'tallest pygmy' territory.
The lazy fucks.
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
Agreed. In the same boat as Lescott and Richardson, Cole and Senderos.
And from what we've seen this season, Richards, Hutton and Guzan.
Why does Hutton always get thrown in with comments like this? He's been one of the few players who has been pretty good for us over the last two years.
If by good, you mean constantly making errors that cost goals, consistently getting caught out of position and failing to beat the first man with every cross, then he has been brilliant!!
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
Agreed. In the same boat as Lescott and Richardson, Cole and Senderos.
And from what we've seen this season, Richards, Hutton and Guzan.
Why does Hutton always get thrown in with comments like this? He's been one of the few players who has been pretty good for us over the last two years.
No he hasn't. He's one of the reasons why we are going down. Just because he tries his best doesn't mean he's been, as you call it "pretty good"
He's a liability of a player who should of been moved on years ago, not rewarded after a few mediocre performances. In fact, he should of never been brought to the club in the first place. Absolute heap of stinking shit player, if he's of premier standard then we all could of made it.
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Leicester are in for Nigel De Jong. 1, he would have been a great signing last summer to give us some bite in midfield but 2. it might free up Inler, who looks the sort I would try and convince to come and lead the Garde era in a similar way he did for Wenger.
With all due respect to Leicester, I would have thought bigger clubs than them across Europe would be in for him, especially if the quoted price of £2m is correct.
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Trouble with Nolan is that he is one of those players that you almost have to build your team around, and he's just not good enough for that. He's not able to play in the centre midfield as he's a liability, he can't play up front, he needs to play as a 5th midfielder almost to give him the freedom to go forward without leaving you exposed. I'd say that in Grealish and Gil we've got two players already that would suit that role better than him.
Nolan is not the type of player that will bring anything for us, of all of the positions and weaknesses in the team at present, attacking midfielders are not one of them.
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Twitter links to Rob Green. Just when you thought bottom had been reached
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
Agreed. In the same boat as Lescott and Richardson, Cole and Senderos.
And from what we've seen this season, Richards, Hutton and Guzan.
Why does Hutton always get thrown in with comments like this? He's been one of the few players who has been pretty good for us over the last two years.
No he hasn't. He's one of the reasons why we are going down. Just because he tries his best doesn't mean he's been, as you call it "pretty good"
He's a liability of a player who should of been moved on years ago, not rewarded after a few mediocre performances. In fact, he should of never been brought to the club in the first place. Absolute heap of stinking shit player, if he's of premier standard then we all could of made it.
The phrase, flatter to deceive was invented for him, any one scarper off down the wing looking mildly menacing, that is until you have to do something with the football.
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Twitter links to Rob Green. Just when you thought bottom had been reached
He's better than Guzan though in fairness.
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Twitter links to Rob Green. Just when you thought bottom had been reached
He's better than Guzan though in fairness.
Robson Green is better than Guzan
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Twitter links to Rob Green. Just when you thought bottom had been reached
He's better than Guzan though in fairness.
Is he?
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Twitter links to Rob Green. Just when you thought bottom had been reached
He's better than Guzan though in fairness.
Robson Green is better than Guzan
Sarah Greene is better than Guzan
* One for the over 40's*
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
Agreed. In the same boat as Lescott and Richardson, Cole and Senderos.
And from what we've seen this season, Richards, Hutton and Guzan.
Why does Hutton always get thrown in with comments like this? He's been one of the few players who has been pretty good for us over the last two years.
No he hasn't. He's one of the reasons why we are going down. Just because he tries his best doesn't mean he's been, as you call it "pretty good"
He's a liability of a player who should of been moved on years ago, not rewarded after a few mediocre performances. In fact, he should of never been brought to the club in the first place. Absolute heap of stinking shit player, if he's of premier standard then we all could of made it.
Yep. If we are going to go forward with the tactic of using full-backs in an attacking weapon then we need better than Hutton. I am struggling to remember the last time he provided an assist from a cross.
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Twitter links to Rob Green. Just when you thought bottom had been reached
He's better than Guzan though in fairness.
Robson Green is better than Guzan
Sarah Greene is better than Guzan
* One for the over 40's*
Hughie Green is better than Guzan (The Nazi-sympathising father of Paula Yates, for those under 40).
And I mean that most sincerely, folks.
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Twitter links to Rob Green. Just when you thought bottom had been reached
He's better than Guzan though in fairness.
Robson Green is better than Guzan
Sarah Greene is better than Guzan
* One for the over 40's*
Hughie Green is better than Guzan (The Nazi-sympathising father of Paula Yates, for those under 40).
And I mean that most sincerely, folks.
Benny Green is better than Guzan, and he's not only a fictional character from Grange Hill, but also dead in real life too.
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Ho ho ho Green Giant is better than Guzan
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Twitter links to Rob Green. Just when you thought bottom had been reached
He's better than Guzan though in fairness.
Robson Green is better than Guzan
Sarah Greene is better than Guzan
* One for the over 40's*
Hughie Green is better than Guzan (The Nazi-sympathising father of Paula Yates, for those under 40).
And I mean that most sincerely, folks.
Al Green is better than all of them at a time like this where the message needs to be Let's Stay Together.
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I reckon our own Brian Green could do a job as rush-back goalie
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Peter Green could do a better job.....oh well.
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Keeper and CF have to be priorities. For GK, either Kalinic we've been linked with from Hajduk Split or John Ruddy from Norwich should be realistic options to improve us. CF seems a trickier one, but somebody 10x more mobile than Gestede who can score goals other than the occasional header would be useful.
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Twitter links to Rob Green. Just when you thought bottom had been reached
He's better than Guzan though in fairness.
Robson Green is better than Guzan
Sarah Greene is better than Guzan
* One for the over 40's*
Hughie Green is better than Guzan (The Nazi-sympathising father of Paula Yates, for those under 40).
And I mean that most sincerely, folks.
Al Green is better than all of them at a time like this where the message needs to be Let's Stay Together.
Maybe we could lock Guzan and Richards in Winson Green.
Actually if we locked up all the shit footballers we've got they'd be chronic overcrowding issues.
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We've sunk so low we'd have difficulty beating Camberwick Green reserves at the moment.
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Dire "Only Fools" spin-off "The Green Green Grass" is better.
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I reckon our own Brian Green could do a job as rush-back goalie
Depends on your definition of "rush" Chico!
;-)
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
Agreed. In the same boat as Lescott and Richardson, Cole and Senderos.
And from what we've seen this season, Richards, Hutton and Guzan.
Why does Hutton always get thrown in with comments like this? He's been one of the few players who has been pretty good for us over the last two years.
The subsequent comments from tomd, Goldie and Chicago Lion are pretty much why I lumped him in with Richards and Guzan, chris.
I think he does work hard and gets into some good positions going forward but his decision making and delivery are consistently poor.
Defensively he gives his man too much room - eg: Cresswell v WHam, Sunderland throughout the game on Saturday. He SHOULD be better but he just isn't, and as a senior professional he should be one of the leaders on the pitch, the most solid and reliable, not the one getting involved in petty scraps, giving away stupid free-kicks and getting booked needlessly.
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
Agreed. In the same boat as Lescott and Richardson, Cole and Senderos.
And from what we've seen this season, Richards, Hutton and Guzan.
Why does Hutton always get thrown in with comments like this? He's been one of the few players who has been pretty good for us over the last two years.
The subsequent comments from tomd, Goldie and Chicago Lion are pretty much why I lumped him in with Richards and Guzan, chris.
I think he does work hard and gets into some good positions going forward but his decision making and delivery are consistently poor.
Defensively he gives his man too much room - eg: Cresswell v WHam, Sunderland throughout the game on Saturday. He SHOULD be better but he just isn't, and as a senior professional he should be one of the leaders on the pitch, the most solid and reliable, not the one getting involved in petty scraps, giving away stupid free-kicks and getting booked needlessly.
I honestly think Hutton has been our worst player (of the regulars) this season, he works his tits off getting up and down the pitch but when he gets there he's useless at both ends. I've said it before but I'm convinced his pathetic positioning in defence has cost us more goals than anything else this season, he's been responsible for 3-4 over christmas/new year alone.
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agree. I think the most damage is his attacking - why used him as a major outlet - use a proper attacking player not a meat head.
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Peter Green could do a better job.....oh well.
No way, that contract would be an Albatross
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Stockland Green would do a better job than....
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The Green Manalishi?
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The big fat prisoner from the Green Mile would do a better job.
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The latest link from the Meaning Evil
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-scouting-report-who-10687949
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Someone, anyone, please.
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
Agreed. In the same boat as Lescott and Richardson, Cole and Senderos.
And from what we've seen this season, Richards, Hutton and Guzan.
Why does Hutton always get thrown in with comments like this? He's been one of the few players who has been pretty good for us over the last two years.
The subsequent comments from tomd, Goldie and Chicago Lion are pretty much why I lumped him in with Richards and Guzan, chris.
I think he does work hard and gets into some good positions going forward but his decision making and delivery are consistently poor.
Defensively he gives his man too much room - eg: Cresswell v WHam, Sunderland throughout the game on Saturday. He SHOULD be better but he just isn't, and as a senior professional he should be one of the leaders on the pitch, the most solid and reliable, not the one getting involved in petty scraps, giving away stupid free-kicks and getting booked needlessly.
I honestly think Hutton has been our worst player (of the regulars) this season, he works his tits off getting up and down the pitch but when he gets there he's useless at both ends. I've said it before but I'm convinced his pathetic positioning in defence has cost us more goals than anything else this season, he's been responsible for 3-4 over christmas/new year alone.
Case in point, other than West Ham and Sunderland, was when that Newcastle player should have made it two. An overhit cross and Hutton makes no effort to get out to the ball. He's done it more than once in games I've seen where rather than going out he looks around for someone else to do it. But, seeing as its so basic I do wonder if its orders. That he has to stay tight and not leave Richards.
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Leicester City have signed Birmingham City winger Demarai Gray after meeting a £3.7m release clause in his contract.
so thats not a bad price for potential
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It is a bargain for 3.75m.
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All you Guzan haters will be in for a shock if you think it will make much difference
Unless we sign Loris or Petr Czech any goalkeeper playing in from of our fumbling defence will make just as many mistakes
someone on here the other day was saying getting rid of Guzan could save us 10-20 points your living in la la land if you believe that,
no goalkeeper is perfect, and I guarantee any new goal we bring in will make a few cock ups that you could argue will cost us points, like Guzan
if we sign a average prem keeper it will make zero difference only cost us an extra few million
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As a minimum Guzan needs time out of the firing line. His confidence is irreparably fucked as it stands.
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All you Guzan haters will be in for a shock if you think it will make much difference
Unless we sign Loris or Petr Czech any goalkeeper playing in from of our fumbling defence will make just as many mistakes
someone on here the other day was saying getting rid of Guzan could save us 10-20 points your living in la la land if you believe that,
no goalkeeper is perfect, and I guarantee any new goal we bring in will make a few cock ups that you could argue will cost us points, like Guzan
if we sign a average prem keeper it will make zero difference only cost us an extra few million
It will make a massive difference. Knowing that there is unsteady keeper behind them can unnerve defences and it can often result in confusion. And the there is of course his distribution.
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Anyone take Kevin Nolan?
Delivered to Villa Park in his coffin? He's finished mate, ask any West Ham fan he is completely shot.
Agreed. In the same boat as Lescott and Richardson, Cole and Senderos.
And from what we've seen this season, Richards, Hutton and Guzan.
Why does Hutton always get thrown in with comments like this? He's been one of the few players who has been pretty good for us over the last two years.
The subsequent comments from tomd, Goldie and Chicago Lion are pretty much why I lumped him in with Richards and Guzan, chris.
I think he does work hard and gets into some good positions going forward but his decision making and delivery are consistently poor.
Defensively he gives his man too much room - eg: Cresswell v WHam, Sunderland throughout the game on Saturday. He SHOULD be better but he just isn't, and as a senior professional he should be one of the leaders on the pitch, the most solid and reliable, not the one getting involved in petty scraps, giving away stupid free-kicks and getting booked needlessly.
I honestly think Hutton has been our worst player (of the regulars) this season, he works his tits off getting up and down the pitch but when he gets there he's useless at both ends. I've said it before but I'm convinced his pathetic positioning in defence has cost us more goals than anything else this season, he's been responsible for 3-4 over christmas/new year alone.
Case in point, other than West Ham and Sunderland, was when that Newcastle player should have made it two. An overhit cross and Hutton makes no effort to get out to the ball. He's done it more than once in games I've seen where rather than going out he looks around for someone else to do it. But, seeing as its so basic I do wonder if its orders. That he has to stay tight and not leave Richards.
Not forgetting his role in the second goal at Norwich and getting caught out and giving a penalty away against Arsenal.
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All you Guzan haters will be in for a shock if you think it will make much difference
Unless we sign Loris or Petr Czech any goalkeeper playing in from of our fumbling defence will make just as many mistakes
someone on here the other day was saying getting rid of Guzan could save us 10-20 points your living in la la land if you believe that,
no goalkeeper is perfect, and I guarantee any new goal we bring in will make a few cock ups that you could argue will cost us points, like Guzan
if we sign a average prem keeper it will make zero difference only cost us an extra few million
It will make a massive difference. Knowing that there is unsteady keeper behind them can unnerve defences and it can often result in confusion. And the there is of course his distribution.
It will make fuck all difference if we bring in someone like Rob Green or anyone like him for 3-5 mill
I give it two games max before the first 'have we signed Guzan mk2' goes up in the match thread
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All you Guzan haters will be in for a shock if you think it will make much difference
Unless we sign Loris or Petr Czech any goalkeeper playing in from of our fumbling defence will make just as many mistakes
someone on here the other day was saying getting rid of Guzan could save us 10-20 points your living in la la land if you believe that,
no goalkeeper is perfect, and I guarantee any new goal we bring in will make a few cock ups that you could argue will cost us points, like Guzan
if we sign a average prem keeper it will make zero difference only cost us an extra few million
I can't agree, Guzan is 2nd on my shit list for the season and again it's poor positioning that's to blame, he's been caught out too many times, add to that the poor distribution and then the expected mistakes (which i agree all keepers make) and he has little going for him right now. I don't think 10-20 points is fair but I would say basic errors from, in order, Hutton, Guzan, Clark and Richardson (with a handful from Richards, Okore and Amavi as well) have probably cost us about 20-25 goals. Over an entire season that's poor, over 20 games it is relegation form and that's exactly where it's got us.
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All you Guzan haters will be in for a shock if you think it will make much difference
Unless we sign Loris or Petr Czech any goalkeeper playing in from of our fumbling defence will make just as many mistakes
someone on here the other day was saying getting rid of Guzan could save us 10-20 points your living in la la land if you believe that,
no goalkeeper is perfect, and I guarantee any new goal we bring in will make a few cock ups that you could argue will cost us points, like Guzan
if we sign a average prem keeper it will make zero difference only cost us an extra few million
I can't agree, Guzan is 2nd on my shit list for the season and again it's poor positioning that's to blame, he's been caught out too many times, add to that the poor distribution and then the expected mistakes (which i agree all keepers make) and he has little going for him right now. I don't think 10-20 points is fair but I would say basic errors from, in order, Hutton, Guzan, Clark and Richardson (with a handful from Richards, Okore and Amavi as well) have probably cost us about 20-25 goals. Over an entire season that's poor, over 20 games it is relegation form and that's exactly where it's got us.
I agree with the distribution, if anyone wants him gone because of his kicking I say fair enough, especially if you think that's going to make a big difference
But I've seen him play good games where he's made one or two minor slip ups (not the big fuckers like man city) and he's been killed on the match thread,
which just goes to prove to me that a lot of people just talk a whole load of bollocks about him, and any goalkeeper we bring on would be basically the same
If he's your second priority, your going to be one disappointed man on here when things don't get a lot better with a new man doing much the same, maybe with a bit better kicking
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Perhaps not but at least we shall have the satisfaction of seeing a problem being acknowledged and something being done about it.
The alternative is, to coin a phrase, we go again.
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Perhaps not but at least we shall have the satisfaction of seeing a problem being acknowledged and something being done about it.
The alternative is, to coin a phrase, we go again.
I'd rather go again with Guzan than Rob Green or the likes though
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Smart business by Leicester to sign Gray for peanuts really in Premier League terms. So they have Demari Gray and Mark Albrighton for a combined fee of £3.7M. Still, we can look at Kevin Nolan....
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With where we are we will only be signing players for next season.
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Smart business by Leicester to sign Gray for peanuts really in Premier League terms. So they have Demari Gray and Mark Albrighton for a combined fee of £3.7M. Still, we can look at Kevin Nolan....
I don't think we've been linked with Kevin Nolan by any credible source.
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All you Guzan haters will be in for a shock if you think it will make much difference
Unless we sign Loris or Petr Czech any goalkeeper playing in from of our fumbling defence will make just as many mistakes
someone on here the other day was saying getting rid of Guzan could save us 10-20 points your living in la la land if you believe that,
no goalkeeper is perfect, and I guarantee any new goal we bring in will make a few cock ups that you could argue will cost us points, like Guzan
if we sign a average prem keeper it will make zero difference only cost us an extra few million
On the other hand during Lambert's first seasons when Guzan played brilliantly it seemed he saved us a good half dozen points at least.
I must agree though to perform well behind our back four we need a goal keeper who is on top of their game every single second for every single match.
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All you Guzan haters will be in for a shock if you think it will make much difference
Unless we sign Loris or Petr Czech any goalkeeper playing in from of our fumbling defence will make just as many mistakes
someone on here the other day was saying getting rid of Guzan could save us 10-20 points your living in la la land if you believe that,
no goalkeeper is perfect, and I guarantee any new goal we bring in will make a few cock ups that you could argue will cost us points, like Guzan
if we sign a average prem keeper it will make zero difference only cost us an extra few million
On the other hand during Lambert's first seasons when Guzan played brilliantly it seemed he saved us a good half dozen points at least.
I must agree though to perform well behind our back four we need a goal keeper who is on top of their game every single second for every single match.
I can only assume that there is a massive mutual lack of trust between the back four and Guzan.
The number of basic mistakes they make between them suggests that no communication whatsoever happens.
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With a decent keeper on form confidence breeds confidence too. Guzan's form has slumped so much he should not be near the first team and not replacing him in the summer when Tim was not keeping Given on was another major mistake.
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If you sign better quality players, who aren't suffering from a crisis of confidence, then you will improve.
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Reportedly paying up Nzogs contract and telling him to fuck off and have instructed scouts to start monitoring Championship players who are coming to the end of their contracts this season.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
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Nursey saying we'll go after Championship level bosmans to adapt the new league.. at least it'll be ideal for the finances. We'll be self-sufficient and it will allow us to build something special.
Bright future
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Reportedly paying up Nzogs contract and telling him to fuck off and have instructed scouts to start monitoring Championship players who are coming to the end of their contracts this season.
The only way I would pay him off is if it is only a % of his wages through to the end of the season. Otherwise, I would tell him to not bother turning up at the club and his wages will be paid at the end of each month. Why should he benefit by being paid up in full and have the possibility of going to another club as well. He has done f*** all for us so why should we do anything to benefit him.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
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Can't help but have a dig. Even to the point of Garde only renting until the summer. With what he has had on his plate, when would he have had time to look for somewhere to live. The best time to look around would be at the end of the season and, guess what, he has only taken on a place until the end of the season.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
Sounds great.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
What - the Mirror talking shit?
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
What - the Mirror talking shit?
:-) stunning amount of guess work with the only 'fact' appearing to be where Remi lives :-)
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All you Guzan haters will be in for a shock if you think it will make much difference
Unless we sign Loris or Petr Czech any goalkeeper playing in from of our fumbling defence will make just as many mistakes
someone on here the other day was saying getting rid of Guzan could save us 10-20 points your living in la la land if you believe that,
no goalkeeper is perfect, and I guarantee any new goal we bring in will make a few cock ups that you could argue will cost us points, like Guzan
if we sign a average prem keeper it will make zero difference only cost us an extra few million
What do you mean, Guzan haters, I quite like the bloke. I just don't want him playing in Goal for us.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
Relegation is likely to see massive cutbacks at Villa - which has over 300 employees
That isnt true, right? That cannot be true.
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All you Guzan haters will be in for a shock if you think it will make much difference
Unless we sign Loris or Petr Czech any goalkeeper playing in from of our fumbling defence will make just as many mistakes
someone on here the other day was saying getting rid of Guzan could save us 10-20 points your living in la la land if you believe that,
no goalkeeper is perfect, and I guarantee any new goal we bring in will make a few cock ups that you could argue will cost us points, like Guzan
if we sign a average prem keeper it will make zero difference only cost us an extra few million
What do you mean, Guzan haters, I quite like the bloke. I just don't want him playing in Goal for us.
Cech would fall to pieces in this team
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What I've never understood is this cliche that you need players or a manager with Championship experience. What a load of old bollocks, you just need good players and a good manager. The Championship is just a league at a lower level, it doesn't operate in a completely different footballing universe. We have some good players and if we supplement them with some more good players we'll be fine.
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What I've never understood is this cliche that you need players or a manager with Championship experience. What a load of old bollocks, you just need good players and a good manager. The Championship is just a league at a lower level, it doesn't operate in a completely different footballing universe. We have some good players and if we supplement them with some more good players we'll be fine.
You mean we don't need Kevin Doyle & Karl Henry?
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
Sounds like a load of guff to me.
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While I dont believe everything Nursery says that would be suicidal, I do think we have to start to plan for next season in the Championship now, next season will be an eye opener to everyone. Just hope its Garde buying the players and the other clowns stay well away.
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where's Footyskillz when you need him? He'd have an almost inexhaustible list of people who ought to be on Remi's radar, headed no doubt by the one and only JA.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
Sounds like a load of guff to me.
How old is Charles N'Zogbia again?
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I just think we should be looking at promising young players in France's league 2.
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What I've never understood is this cliche that you need players or a manager with Championship experience. What a load of old bollocks, you just need good players and a good manager. The Championship is just a league at a lower level, it doesn't operate in a completely different footballing universe. We have some good players and if we supplement them with some more good players we'll be fine.
I was thinking the same, just have a look through the Watford squad and spot the good old championship journey man, plus their manager was new to English football.
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Sunderland are looking to get 2 centre halves in. Wish we were! I really would love to see Garde take a stance that apart from Okore and maybe Cissokho the back 5 are just not good enough and find replacements.
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What I've never understood is this cliche that you need players or a manager with Championship experience. What a load of old bollocks, you just need good players and a good manager. The Championship is just a league at a lower level, it doesn't operate in a completely different footballing universe. We have some good players and if we supplement them with some more good players we'll be fine.
I was thinking the same, just have a look through the Watford squad and spot the good old championship journey man, plus their manager was new to English football.
The difference being that Watford owners have genuine football knowledge.
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Why did we scrap the idea of getting a director of football in? There was a song and dance about that and a football chairman but neither have materialised.
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Why did we scrap the idea of getting a director of football in?
Surely in his role of 'Sporting Director', that's Almstadt?
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Does he have any formal background? I thought he was a numbers man?
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Does he have any formal background? I thought he was a numbers man?
Whether he's suitable for the job or not is a different argument - he's the Director of Football that was spoken about, rather than them not wanting one anymore.
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I thought he was something different to a traditional DOF role sorry. Even in a football role then, we essentially have a non football man. Very concerning.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
The only thing about that article that is definitely true is where he says we are looking for very cheap options. Sums up Randy's last five years.
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The thing with that is you don't have to spend big to get out of the championship. You need a striker that will score a lot of goals, a couple of tricky, pacey wide players, a couple of very tough tackling midfielders and a a couple of big dominant centre halves. And a keeper that is reliable. Where they come from is not really important. Players like Nathan Dyer from Swansea were sensational at that level, or the likes of Wilson and Gray at Burnley, Afobe at Wolves. Basically forwards with a bit of pace and will score plenty, just got to keep them out. Being able to defend is what sets the sides at the top out from the ones in the play offs this season.
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The Bindippers have asked us to cancel the invisible man's loan deal - if we can find him
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The thing with that is you don't have to spend big to get out of the championship. You need a striker that will score a lot of goals, a couple of tricky, pacey wide players, a couple of very tough tackling midfielders and a a couple of big dominant centre halves. And a keeper that is reliable. Where they come from is not really important. Players like Nathan Dyer from Swansea were sensational at that level, or the likes of Wilson and Gray at Burnley, Afobe at Wolves. Basically forwards with a bit of pace and will score plenty, just got to keep them out. Being able to defend is what sets the sides at the top out from the ones in the play offs this season.
They cost money whatever level they are at. Didn't Fulham pay the best part of £12m for Ross McCormack? I get what you mean though - the likes of Cameron Jerome and David Nugent have been prolific during their time in the Championship.
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Playing devils advocat slightly but so was Rudy Gestede. Maybe we dont need to look too far from home?
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Prefer Warninks Advocaat
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The thing with that is you don't have to spend big to get out of the championship. You need a striker that will score a lot of goals, a couple of tricky, pacey wide players, a couple of very tough tackling midfielders and a a couple of big dominant centre halves. And a keeper that is reliable. Where they come from is not really important. Players like Nathan Dyer from Swansea were sensational at that level, or the likes of Wilson and Gray at Burnley, Afobe at Wolves. Basically forwards with a bit of pace and will score plenty, just got to keep them out. Being able to defend is what sets the sides at the top out from the ones in the play offs this season.
I see a flaw in our plan.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
What - the Mirror talking shit?
:-) stunning amount of guess work with the only 'fact' appearing to be where Remi lives :-)
Do they know exactly where Remi lives? Because I'd like to go round this evening with a few tips for him.
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Any French experts seen much of Beuavue? Apart from being an alien from a children's film last year?
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
What - the Mirror talking shit?
:-) stunning amount of guess work with the only 'fact' appearing to be where Remi lives :-)
Do they know exactly where Remi lives? Because I'd like to go round this evening with a few tips for him.
He went to a restaurant in the Mailbox a few days before Christmas if that helps as a starter
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You need a striker that will score a lot of goals, a couple of tricky, pacey wide players, a couple of very tough tackling midfielders and a a couple of big dominant centre halves. And a keeper that is reliable.
So basically, everything in terms of players/personnel that we haven't got currently then?
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Any French experts seen much of Beuavue? Apart from being an alien from a children's film last year?
See ....http://www.whoscored.com/Players/25599/Show/Claudio-Beauvue
also ....
( Looks good on here..but then, they all do, on youtube !)
A number of news outlets now saying we have bid 3 mil for him ....Godzvilla!
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I hope somebody has had a good look at Beauvue.
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I hope somebody has had a good look at Beauvue.
Clever Mr G.
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Any French experts seen much of Beuavue? Apart from being an alien from a children's film last year?
See ....http://www.whoscored.com/Players/25599/Show/Claudio-Beauvue
also ....
( Looks good on here..but then, they all do, on youtube !)
A number of news outlets now saying we have bid 3 mil for him ....Godzvilla!
I think we'd need someone who can cross the ball to get the most out of him so that's us screwed.
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Didn't he form a good partnership the Nigerian lad, Beauvue Jonathan? Sign em up.
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I'd just be wary because he's not in good form this season and has supposedly fallen out with people at the club. Can we afford another one like that?
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I'd just be wary because he's not in good form this season and has supposedly fallen out with people at the club. Can we afford another one like that?
That was my first thought too. But then Jordan Ayew also came with a few whispers of him being a troublemaker and a not great scoring record - we could do with another one (or ten!) like him.
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I've always wanted one of our players to do a somersault like that when they scored
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He might get a bit rusty playing for us.
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We already have a striker who can score lots of goals (in the Championship) and a tricky winger who can create and score a lot (in the Championship). The problem is, they're trying to be regulars in our first XI.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
What - the Mirror talking shit?
:-) stunning amount of guess work with the only 'fact' appearing to be where Remi lives :-)
Do they know exactly where Remi lives? Because I'd like to go round this evening with a few tips for him.
He went to a restaurant in the Mailbox a few days before Christmas if that helps as a starter
Seen loads of players parked in Brindleyplace over last few years. Think they stay in serviced apartments by no.10 Brindleyplace. II'll keep my eyes open for him!
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Any French experts seen much of Beuavue? Apart from being an alien from a children's film last year?
See ....http://www.whoscored.com/Players/25599/Show/Claudio-Beauvue
also ....
( Looks good on here..but then, they all do, on youtube !)
A number of news outlets now saying we have bid 3 mil for him ....Godzvilla!
I think we'd need someone who can cross the ball to get the most out of him so that's us screwed.
Thought the same.
Maybe we should look at the guys crossing the ball to him
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Playing devils advocat slightly but so was Rudy Gestede. Maybe we dont need to look too far from home?
Gestede has had one prolific season in his entire career and we went for him on the back of that. Daryl Murphy at Ipswich did the same last season and has reverted back to type this one.
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Who crossed the ball for him at Blackburn?
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Who crossed the ball for him at Blackburn?
One big difference between the Championship and Pl is that in the former the crosser has more time on the ball to get the cross in. This helps the likes of Gestede.
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Who crossed the ball for him at Blackburn?
One big difference between the Championship and Pl is that in the former the crosser has more time on the ball to get the cross in. This helps the likes of Gestede.
He made bits of Stoke and Liverpool in the cup too
Looks as if Craig Conway and Ben Marshall were the ones supplying the bullets for Gestede last season - http://www.statbunker.com/competitions/MostAssists?comp_id=488
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
What - the Mirror talking shit?
:-) stunning amount of guess work with the only 'fact' appearing to be where Remi lives :-)
Do they know exactly where Remi lives? Because I'd like to go round this evening with a few tips for him.
He went to a restaurant in the Mailbox a few days before Christmas if that helps as a starter
Probably Cafe Rouge.
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http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/doomed-aston-villa-lining-up-7122367
It's started....
What - the Mirror talking shit?
:-) stunning amount of guess work with the only 'fact' appearing to be where Remi lives :-)
Do they know exactly where Remi lives? Because I'd like to go round this evening with a few tips for him.
He went to a restaurant in the Mailbox a few days before Christmas if that helps as a starter
Yes, it helps as a starter, but what did have for his main?
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Linked with Lyon striker Claudio Beauvue according to the Star rag.
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Linked with Lyon striker Claudio Beauvue according to the Star rag.
It seems that Remi is having second thoughts about him and is now going for Benjamin Moukandjo from Lorient. But they have no intention of selling him this month. Happy days....
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/aston-villa-interested-in-benjamin-moukandjo/ (http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/aston-villa-interested-in-benjamin-moukandjo/)
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It seems both are winger come strikers. I do wonder whether the glaring lack of pace, Traore aside, is shaping the forwards he is looking at. If he can get a couple of tricky forwards at a decent price bedded into the side this season it will help a lot next. Especially with the likely scenario that someone will buy Ayew in the summer.
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Linked with Lyon striker Claudio Beauvue according to the Star rag.
Be a bit silly to replace one moody fucker from France with another, but the way things have gone over the past 5 years nothing would surprise me any more.
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Is it too late to sign a new squad as a whole?
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People saying Garde was pretty pessimistic about signings this morning. Can we simply forfeit the next 18 games!
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People saying Garde was pretty pessimistic about signings this morning. Can we simply forfeit the next 18 games!
Judging by that, maybe we have.
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I'd rather bring nobody in than some mercenaries coming for cash.
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The money can be better spent in the summer.
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Agreed, no point burning cash on mercenaries in our position.
But I've so little faith left in the decision making these days I'm sure we'll end up doing the absolute worst thing we can do now - loan to seasons end for Andros Townsend on £80k a week anyone?
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I wouldn't be too bothered if we don't sign anyone to be honest, were doomed anyway. May as well build for next year
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Linked with Lyon striker Claudio Beauvue according to the Star rag.
It seems that Remi is having second thoughts about him and is now going for Benjamin Moukandjo from Lorient. But they have no intention of selling him this month. Happy days....
http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/aston-villa-interested-in-benjamin-moukandjo/ (http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/aston-villa-interested-in-benjamin-moukandjo/)
Having watched these strikers playing on YouTube, the defensive capabilities of the French League remind me of Villa!
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People saying Garde was pretty pessimistic about signings this morning. Can we simply forfeit the next 18 games!
It is about as grim as it gets, relatively, at the moment.
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I'd rather bring nobody in than some mercenaries coming for cash.
All but the tiniest fraction of all football transfers are "mercenaries coming for cash". It's their job and they do it for their wages.
Which players that we have signed in the last say, 20 years have joined us for a reason other than that?
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Agreed, no point burning cash on mercenaries in our position.
Realistically though, 99% of all professional footballers are mercenaries and the 19 teams above us in the League are packed full of them. I'd gladly see some better quality mercenaries come in this month to improve our team. in fact, I refuse to believe that we don't have options to do so. There's still half a season left and we're still in a cup competition, if nothing else.
If the club fail to do anything in the market this month they're effectively throwing the towel in. Are we to assume that ticket-prices will drop for the remainder of the season accordingly...?
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'Great minds' Dave!
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Agreed, no point burning cash on mercenaries in our position.
Realistically though, 99% of all professional footballers are mercenaries and the 19 teams above us in the League are packed full of them. I'd gladly see some better quality mercenaries come in this month to improve our team. in fact, I refuse to believe that we don't have options to do so. There's still half a season left and we're still in a cup competition, if nothing else.
If the club fail to do anything in the market this month they're effectively throwing the towel in. Are we to assume that ticket-prices will drop for the remainder of the season accordingly...?
By mercenaries, I mean players that come in on either loans or relegation clause signings till seasons end, get paid well over the market rate (because we're desperate), do fuck all to help us in our current position (because we're so poor Lionel Messi would struggle in our side) and then fuck off back to their parent club or next cab of the rank type club far richer whilst we've blown our cash for next season on stupid, short term panic buys/loans.
That is the absolute worst thing we could do now.
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Agreed, no point burning cash on mercenaries in our position.
Realistically though, 99% of all professional footballers are mercenaries and the 19 teams above us in the League are packed full of them. I'd gladly see some better quality mercenaries come in this month to improve our team. in fact, I refuse to believe that we don't have options to do so. There's still half a season left and we're still in a cup competition, if nothing else.
If the club fail to do anything in the market this month they're effectively throwing the towel in. Are we to assume that ticket-prices will drop for the remainder of the season accordingly...?
By mercenaries, I mean players that one in on loans/ relegation clause signings till seasons end, get paid well over the market rate (because we're desperate), do fuck all to help us in our current position (because we're so poor Lionel Messi would struggle in our side) and then fuck off back to their parent club richer whilst we've blown our cash for next season on stupid, short term panic buys/loans.
That is the absolute worst thing we could do now.
I agree that we don't want to be wasting money in that sense, but I refuse to believe that there aren't any other options that we could bring in, who would instantly improve us. There are plenty of players who need games before this summer's Euros who would surely come. Inler and Debuchy have been linked, there must be hundreds more across Europe. We have a transfer committee, who would surely have known for several weeks (if not months) that we'd be in this debacle. if they aren't able to do anything this month then, frankly, they're not fit for purpose.
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And blow the budget for the Summer on short term contract signings that won't keep us up anyway?
Had the points difference been 5 points I might agree but not in our current state. It's gone, anyone we sign MUST be here for next season at least regardless of our division.
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I think if there are any sensible deals that will bring players that would be integral to our play next season in now we should at least be looking at it. A goalkeeper that is better than Guzan and a holding midfield player are pretty essential. Striker would be nice too.
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And blow the budget for the Summer on short term contract signings that won't keep us up anyway?
Had the points difference been 5 points I might agree but not in our current state. It's gone, anyone we sign MUST be here for next season at least regardless of our division.
Given our net spend in the summer I'd like to thing that we'd be able to finance a few signings this month without adversely affecting our Summer budget, regardless of whether we get relegated or not. Failing to improve this squad this month will leave us with the very real possibility of setting a new Premiership lowest points total. Are you really suggesting that's what we do? Just imagine for a second that we don't buy a keeper this month and then Guzan sustains a season-ending injury on February 1st...
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Debuchy mentioned on Twitter (probably mentioned here pages back so apologies)
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yes - he (Garde) has been talking to Arsenal about various plays on loan
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And blow the budget for the Summer on short term contract signings that won't keep us up anyway?
Had the points difference been 5 points I might agree but not in our current state. It's gone, anyone we sign MUST be here for next season at least regardless of our division.
Given our net spend in the summer I'd like to thing that we'd be able to finance a few signings this month without adversely affecting our Summer budget, regardless of whether we get relegated or not. Failing to improve this squad this month will leave us with the very real possibility of setting a new Premiership lowest points total. Are you really suggesting that's what we do? Just imagine for a second that we don't buy a keeper this month and then Guzan sustains a season-ending injury on February 1st...
I'm nt that bothered about record equalling low points totals anymore, we've had so much humiliation already.
Next season is the key for us now. If a decent keeper is available to sign and will be staying after this seasonthen yes, go for it. It's the Loic Remy's of this world on big money for 4 months work then see you later that we should forget.
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I thought he was something different to a traditional DOF role sorry. Even in a football role then, we essentially have a non football man. Very concerning.
Apologies if this has been covered already but this was my understanding about Alhmstadt too; that he's not a Director of Football, more the head of 'whatever needs doing'. From that Tom Fox snippet where he met supporters before a game recently, that's how it came across. So not someone who would be the head of scouting or, tasked with implementing a style or direction in terms of the football we play but rather someone who would take action to try and improve a scenario wherever it arose.
In reality though, God only knows who does what at Villa anymore.
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Debuchy and players of that ilk will have better offers than us.
If we are getting anyone from Arsenal at all, it will be rookies that need their first taste of top flight football.
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yes - he (Garde) has been talking to Arsenal about various plays on loan
Good....we'll take Cech and Ozil to start with
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I'm nt that bothered about record equalling low points totals anymore, we've had so much humiliation already.
Before I say this, please, please, please don't think that this is any way meant in a "better fan, worse fan" sense, because it's not, but I do suspect you'd have an entirely different perspective if you were attending games regularly and paying to do so. I live 200 miles outside of Brum these days and therefore only get to around 10-15 games a season, but still have friends who regularly go home and away and the thought of them having to do so for the remainder of the season without any genuine effort being made to improve this squad kills me.
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I'm nt that bothered about record equalling low points totals anymore, we've had so much humiliation already.
Before I say this, please, please, please don't think that this is any way meant in a "better fan, worse fan" sense, because it's not, but I do suspect you'd have an entirely different perspective if you were attending games regularly and paying to do so. I live 200 miles outside of Brum these days and therefore only get to around 10-15 games a season, but still have friends who regularly go home and away and the thought of them having to do so for the remainder of the season without any genuine effort being made to improve this squad kills me.
Yep, fair comment. I think our support has been outstanding home and away over the years considering the shite that's been served up for far too long. I take my hat off to you I honestly do.
But they might be glad of such a policy this time next year, that's my hope anyway. You and they certainly deserve it.
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Yep, fair comment. I think our support has been outstanding home and away over the years considering the shite that's been served up for far too long. I take my hat off to you I honestly do.
But they might be glad of such a policy this time next year, that's my hope anyway. You and they certainly deserve it.
Don't get me wrong, I know it affects all fans, regardless of proximity to the club. I'm just hoping that there's a happy medium and that we can buy players who'll improve our situation in the short-term but still be assets if we do go down. Somebody like David Marshall at Cardiff for example. For me, he'd be an immediate upgrade on Guzan and would probably see Villa as a better bet to get promoted in 2 seasons than Cardiff...?
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I think he is a decent shout Russell but they would likely want a decent wedge for him. There is a highly rated young centre back at Brentford that Burnley are after that would be worth going for IMO, I have only seen him a couple of times but looked decent enough.
On Burnley, what has happened to Trippier? Surely a loan bid for him with a view to permanent would be worth a look - hardly played for Spurs and would give us a proven performer there in the championship.
I think if we plan now, and draw up a core list of players that are proven to be between the top end of the championship and the lower half of the premier, and keep 3-4 of our better players we will come back up. We need some energy in the side, some work rate down the spine.
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I go home and away with sons and grandson. I am usually on the shortest trip on 220 miles except for London games. None of us give a monkey's any more about lowest total points in the Premiership. It is all far more serious and deep rooted than that.
Saying the number of points we get is a major factor in our plans for the future is like the old cliché that we hated Alex McLeish because he came from Small Heath. An irrelevance in the overall scheme of things.
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I think some sort of improvement on the pitch is the must have thing though Brian for confidence in Garde and for the players own confidence. This Haller guy looks a decent striker, latest to be linked.
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The away support has been superb. I'm not surprised that we've sold out on Saturday but I'm still impressed and they deserve to see us win a few before the end of the season.
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I go home and away with sons and grandson. I am usually on the shortest trip on 220 miles except for London games. None of us give a monkey's any more about lowest total points in the Premiership. It is all far more serious and deep rooted than that.
Saying the number of points we get is a major factor in our plans for the future is like the old cliché that we hated Alex McLeish because he came from Small Heath. An irrelevance in the overall scheme of things.
I really don't get this attitude. Are people seriously not bothered about us picking-up a record low points total? I understand that the problems are deeper-rooted than just this season, but to me that kind of attitude goes against everything supporting a sports team is about.
Where has our pride gone? Lets not let Lerner drag us down to his level of apathy.
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personally i dont give a shit about our points total
we are getting relegated if we get 8 points or 28 points.
we have broken every shitness record in our history so having the lowest number of points doesnt bother me in the slightest because as fans we can do sod all about it. a bit like fan protests and petitions about the fuckwit learner, good idea but he owns the club so can do as he pleases.
i would have said the only way to hurt him is in the pocket but he doesnt care as he is willing to spunk 100 million in tv money
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I think some sort of improvement on the pitch is the must have thing though Brian for confidence in Garde and for the players own confidence.
I don't think it makes any difference being frank. Garde and Fox both will be gone come June. Someone will have to carry the can for this abomination of a season, and rightly or wrongly it will be those two. They're both dead men walking.
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Fox might but if we win even 3 or 4 before seasons end Garde will get the start of next season.
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Fox might but if we win even 3 or 4 before seasons end Garde will get the start of next season.
D'you think?
Can't see it myself.
It'll be the proverbial 'new broom' for next season - regardless of the noises Fox is making re: long term / "building something special" plans.
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To me, we've got 2 options really. Do absolutely everything in our power to pick-up enough points to stay up this season (or at least go down swinging and retaining a bit of pride) or throw the towel in now, rack-up a record low points total, becoming a laughing stock along the way with Garde's reputation as a manager and coach completely run into the ground.
What kind of base is that going to give us to attract new players for the rebuild, regardless of what league we're in?! The players that do stay on will be devoid of confidence, with the 'losing mentality' further embedded into them and supporter apathy will be even greater.
I think we're ll resigned to the fact that we're going to get relegated, but the manner in which we do it from here on-in is a massive thing, in my opinion.
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A few people I speak to at games are also of the view 'we are going down and that's that, don't matter how many points we get'. Bizarre in my view and not something I subscribe to. I don't really want to turn up to another 10-15 of our remaining games and see us win none or next to none of them. If we end the season on less than 20 points it will be talked about and remembered by neutrals for years to come, like Derby and Sunderland's sides that did it are. Newspaper articles for years to come, Premier League years on sky (you may laugh now!). If we got something like Wolves got when they last went down (25 points), it would be piss poor yes but no one remembers it really (I only know the total because I'm a Premier League years addict on Sky!)
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its not just the points total though is it?
its the 8 nil at chelsea
getting bummed in an fa cup final
bradford
orient
no wins in 9 at home
sheff utd
longest run in our history without a win
15 goals conceded and none scored
being shit at home for 5 seasons
being shit for 5 seasons
6 nil at southampton
but if we get to 25 points we wont be a laughing stock?
reality check - we already are
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We are playing for higher stakes than record low points scored or games won. I think Remi Garde is very close to walking. At the moment we have, just about, got some sort of belief that a long term plan is the objective. If Garde goes the future will be Nigel Pearson or somebody as equally blood curdlingly terrifying.
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I think Remi Garde is very close to walking.
What makes you think that, Brian? Not having a go, it's a genuine question.
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its not just the points total though is it?
its the 8 nil at chelsea
getting bummed in an fa cup final
bradford
orient
no wins in 9 at home
sheff utd
longest run in our history without a win
15 goals conceded and none scored
being shit at home for 5 seasons
being shit for 5 seasons
6 nil at southampton
but if we get to 25 points we wont be a laughing stock?
reality check - we already are
We are shit, we have been for 5 years. I'd say not many neutrals remember much on that list other than the top 3 things though.
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its not just the points total though is it?
its the 8 nil at chelsea
getting bummed in an fa cup final
bradford
orient
no wins in 9 at home
sheff utd
longest run in our history without a win
15 goals conceded and none scored
being shit at home for 5 seasons
being shit for 5 seasons
6 nil at southampton
but if we get to 25 points we wont be a laughing stock?
reality check - we already are
You're right, it's a damning list. I just don't understand why you're so happy for it to be added to?
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its not just the points total though is it?
its the 8 nil at chelsea
getting bummed in an fa cup final
bradford
orient
no wins in 9 at home
sheff utd
longest run in our history without a win
15 goals conceded and none scored
being shit at home for 5 seasons
being shit for 5 seasons
6 nil at southampton
but if we get to 25 points we wont be a laughing stock?
reality check - we already are
You're right, it's a damning list. I just don't understand why you're so happy for it to be added to?
im not happy, if happens it happens if it doesnt it doesnt we are down anyway and just because we dont have a record points low wont be any consolation next season when we are playing rotherham
anyway its not in our hands its in the players hands and we have zero influence over it so why be bothered by it?
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anyway its not in our hands its in the players hands and we have zero influence over it so why be bothered by it?
It's a good point, but it does kind of beg the question why you bother supporting a football club at all, let alone post on a mesage board about one...??
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I think Remi might walk once relegated is confirmed or at the end of the season if he felt he couldn't take us any further. I don't get the impression he's ready to walk out now at all.
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anyway its not in our hands its in the players hands and we have zero influence over it so why be bothered by it?
It's a good point, but it does kind of beg the question why you bother supporting a football club at all, let alone post on a mesage board about one...??
I often wonder why I bother/care. The only answer I seem to come up with is "because it's Aston Villa'.
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its not just the points total though is it?
its the 8 nil at chelsea
getting bummed in an fa cup final
bradford
orient
no wins in 9 at home
sheff utd
longest run in our history without a win
15 goals conceded and none scored
being shit at home for 5 seasons
being shit for 5 seasons
6 nil at southampton
but if we get to 25 points we wont be a laughing stock?
reality check - we already are
You're right, it's a damning list. I just don't understand why you're so happy for it to be added to?
Agreed. I don't want that list to be added to either. We still have our pride for crying out loud.
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anyway its not in our hands its in the players hands and we have zero influence over it so why be bothered by it?
It's a good point, but it does kind of beg the question why you bother supporting a football club at all, let alone post on a mesage board about one...??
I often wonder why I bother/care. The only answer I seem to come up with is "because it's Aston Villa'.
It's a good enough one.
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I think Remi might walk once relegated is confirmed or at the end of the season if he felt he couldn't take us any further. I don't get the impression he's ready to walk out now at all.
I said exactly this to someone earlier today.
Especially if the purse strings are tightened, he'll be saying he didn't sign up to this.
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Richard, all the signs are there to be read. Since the MON flounce we have all had to become code breakers to know what is going on. A phrase here, a word there, tone of voice, body language all tack stitched together by what you hear on the grapevine and no, I am not saying what if anything I hear on the grapevine.
I believe as I have said on here that there has to be a blood letting before we can start to win games. I strongly suspect that Remi wants to know that the club are 100% behind him if he has the proper purge that is needed. If he detects anything less than total support for his plan I think he will walk.
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Brian,who would you see as being left after a purge?
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its not just the points total though is it?
its the 8 nil at chelsea
getting bummed in an fa cup final
bradford
orient
no wins in 9 at home
sheff utd
longest run in our history without a win
15 goals conceded and none scored
being shit at home for 5 seasons
being shit for 5 seasons
6 nil at southampton
but if we get to 25 points we wont be a laughing stock?
reality check - we already are
I'm not having that !
Saints was 6-1. Credit where credits due !
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its not just the points total though is it?
its the 8 nil at chelsea
getting bummed in an fa cup final
bradford
orient
no wins in 9 at home
sheff utd
longest run in our history without a win
15 goals conceded and none scored
being shit at home for 5 seasons
being shit for 5 seasons
6 nil at southampton
but if we get to 25 points we wont be a laughing stock?
reality check - we already are
I'm not having that !
Saints was 6-1. Credit where credits due !
Let's not forget our standing as the very worst team in all 4 leagues during 2015 too.
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I think Remi might walk once relegated is confirmed or at the end of the season if he felt he couldn't take us any further. I don't get the impression he's ready to walk out now at all.
I recall an early interview he gave which was on the club site where he more or less said if they were relegated they would shake hands and agree things hadn't' worked out. Ever since seeing that I have taken the view that he would not be sticking about following relegation.
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anyway its not in our hands its in the players hands and we have zero influence over it so why be bothered by it?
It's a good point, but it does kind of beg the question why you bother supporting a football club at all, let alone post on a mesage board about one...??
there is thing called freedom of speech and having an opinion
i have a st and have followed the villa for 40 years and will say what i like
dont start with i am a better fan than yow because what i say is right and what yow say isnt
you are bothered by our points totatl and im not, so what?
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Whatever points total we end up with, its unlikely to prevent relegation and universal piss taking/rejoice in Sandwell and Small Heath. The fact that we've broken so many other unwanted records means that it's just another one for the pile. A bit like a bloke getting forty lashes & can't feel the last 35 really.
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anyway its not in our hands its in the players hands and we have zero influence over it so why be bothered by it?
It's a good point, but it does kind of beg the question why you bother supporting a football club at all, let alone post on a mesage board about one...??
there is thing called freedom of speech and having an opinion
i have a st and have followed the villa for 40 years and will say what i like
dont start with i am a better fan than yow because what i say is right and what yow say isnt
you are bothered by our points totatl and im not, so what?
If you're not bothered by our points total, then what's the point of angrily posting everytime we lose?
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Cole's been sent to Coventry full time, then. Frees up some dosh I suppose.
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anyway its not in our hands its in the players hands and we have zero influence over it so why be bothered by it?
It's a good point, but it does kind of beg the question why you bother supporting a football club at all, let alone post on a mesage board about one...??
there is thing called freedom of speech and having an opinion
i have a st and have followed the villa for 40 years and will say what i like
dont start with i am a better fan than yow because what i say is right and what yow say isnt
you are bothered by our points totatl and im not, so what?
If you're not bothered by our points total, then what's the point of angrily posting everytime we lose?
Isn't the point he's making that if we get relegated he doesn't care about the points total with which we do it - ie if it is 30 or 20
I'm sure he's not quibbling with the importance of winning points.
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its not just the points total though is it?
its the 8 nil at chelsea
getting bummed in an fa cup final
bradford
orient
no wins in 9 at home
sheff utd
longest run in our history without a win
15 goals conceded and none scored
being shit at home for 5 seasons
being shit for 5 seasons
6 nil at southampton
but if we get to 25 points we wont be a laughing stock?
reality check - we already are
I'm not having that !
Saints was 6-1. Credit where credits due !
Let's not forget our standing as the very worst team in all 4 leagues during 2015 too.
Longest run in our history without a win at home
10 hours without a goal last season
Losing to Milwall
Theres loads of them.
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Cole's been sent to Coventry full time, then. Frees up some dosh I suppose.
Good luck to him. I was always a Cole fan. It's just a shame we signed him 5 years too late. When he actually did appear on the pitch and didn't have to move too much, he wasn't too bad. But he should have made the drop down a couple of years ago at least.
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yes - he (Garde) has been talking to Arsenal about various plays on loan
sanchez , chec and walcott then we could just stay up ;)
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anyway its not in our hands its in the players hands and we have zero influence over it so why be bothered by it?
It's a good point, but it does kind of beg the question why you bother supporting a football club at all, let alone post on a mesage board about one...??
there is thing called freedom of speech and having an opinion
i have a st and have followed the villa for 40 years and will say what i like
dont start with i am a better fan than yow because what i say is right and what yow say isnt
you are bothered by our points totatl and im not, so what?
If you're not bothered by our points total, then what's the point of angrily posting everytime we lose?
Isn't the point he's making that if we get relegated he doesn't care about the points total with which we do it - ie if it is 30 or 20
I'm sure he's not quibbling with the importance of winning points.
Maybe, but if we go down on a record number of low points, he'll no doubt add it to his list.
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The best answer, which is no answer unless you work it out yourself, to who would be left after a purge would be those who have not been taking the piss since the start of the season.
I would also add that I never knowingly come on this forum wishing to offend or put down any other poster. I only say what I believe. We are are all, first and foremost Villa fans going through a very bad time.
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its not just the points total though is it?
its the 8 nil at chelsea
getting bummed in an fa cup final
bradford
orient
no wins in 9 at home
sheff utd
longest run in our history without a win
15 goals conceded and none scored
being shit at home for 5 seasons
being shit for 5 seasons
6 nil at southampton
but if we get to 25 points we wont be a laughing stock?
reality check - we already are
exactly we have beat every horrible record at the club
Millwall too
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its not just the points total though is it?
its the 8 nil at chelsea
getting bummed in an fa cup final
bradford
orient
no wins in 9 at home
sheff utd
longest run in our history without a win
15 goals conceded and none scored
being shit at home for 5 seasons
being shit for 5 seasons
6 nil at southampton
but if we get to 25 points we wont be a laughing stock?
reality check - we already are
I'm not having that !
Saints was 6-1. Credit where credits due !
Let's not forget our standing as the very worst team in all 4 leagues during 2015 too.
Longest run in our history without a win at home
10 hours without a goal last season
Losing to Milwall
Theres loads of them.
that bongo cam thing at half time
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its not just the points total though is it?
its the 8 nil at chelsea
getting bummed in an fa cup final
bradford
orient
no wins in 9 at home
sheff utd
longest run in our history without a win
15 goals conceded and none scored
being shit at home for 5 seasons
being shit for 5 seasons
6 nil at southampton
but if we get to 25 points we wont be a laughing stock?
reality check - we already are
I'm not having that !
Saints was 6-1. Credit where credits due !
Let's not forget our standing as the very worst team in all 4 leagues during 2015 too.
Longest run in our history without a win at home
10 hours without a goal last season
Losing to Milwall
Theres loads of them.
that bongo cam thing at half time
I thought that was quite amusing. It was better than some of the games.
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I couldn't give a monkeys about the record points total either. For no particular reason at all, whatever transfer business we do this window, I think we will better it anyway.
What is more important to me is that if we do go down, we go down in the ascendancy - with at least something to fuel a bit of optimism. Plus if I see Richards and Hutton line on the right side of of our defence again I think I will bust a nut.
I'd like Garde to stay and I think we have the nucleus of a decent side. Maybe what happens between now and the end of this season will have a big influence on how we go into the next one.
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anyway its not in our hands its in the players hands and we have zero influence over it so why be bothered by it?
It's a good point, but it does kind of beg the question why you bother supporting a football club at all, let alone post on a mesage board about one...??
there is thing called freedom of speech and having an opinion
i have a st and have followed the villa for 40 years and will say what i like
dont start with i am a better fan than yow because what i say is right and what yow say isnt
you are bothered by our points totatl and im not, so what?
If you're not bothered by our points total, then what's the point of angrily posting everytime we lose?
Isn't the point he's making that if we get relegated he doesn't care about the points total with which we do it - ie if it is 30 or 20
I'm sure he's not quibbling with the importance of winning points.
exactly
i want us to win every game and compete in every game. when we dont i am as pissed off as the next person
as i and others have posted we have broken every shit record over the past 4 seasons and yes knowing how far we have fallen hurts me as much as everyone else
i think we wilk pick up another 10-12 points over the season and wont have the lowest points tally but if we dont im not bothered
as fans we have our dignity, our players dont and we cant change that hence my opinion on the points total, it doesnt make me right it doesnt make anyone else right
fuck me cant we just sign somebody
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What is more important to me is that if we do go down, we go down in the ascendancy - with at least something to fuel a bit of optimism........
I'd like Garde to stay and I think we have the nucleus of a decent side. Maybe what happens between now and the end of this season will have a big influence on how we go into the next one.
Exactly. How we finish this season will determine how we do next.
You cannot just go from crap at the end of one season, buy a new team and expect to do well the following season.
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What is more important to me is that if we do go down, we go down in the ascendancy - with at least something to fuel a bit of optimism........
I'd like Garde to stay and I think we have the nucleus of a decent side. Maybe what happens between now and the end of this season will have a big influence on how we go into the next one.
Exactly. How we finish this season will determine how we do next.
You cannot just go from crap at the end of one season, buy a new team and expect to do well the following season.
Well actually you can if you buy better players.
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Having good players is not a guarantee of doing well.
Not having good players is a guarantee of not doing well.
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As a club we just need some renewed energy.
We're 99% certain to be relegated. Time to take stock of it all.
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What is more important to me is that if we do go down, we go down in the ascendancy - with at least something to fuel a bit of optimism........
I'd like Garde to stay and I think we have the nucleus of a decent side. Maybe what happens between now and the end of this season will have a big influence on how we go into the next one.
Exactly. How we finish this season will determine how we do next.
You cannot just go from crap at the end of one season, buy a new team and expect to do well the following season.
Well actually you can if you buy better players.
You are either missing or ignoring the point.
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Garde said today the players need new blood to give them a lift and to re energise the group. I listened to the 13 minute interview Tom Ross put up earlier. He speaks so well and coherently. I do hope he can get some decent results if only to give the fans some faith in him before next season as much as anything
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I am impressed every time I listen to this man. I think we need him to stick around post relegation.
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Mandanda says he's staying at Marseille according to SSN.
Boooo!
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Just watched Gillingham vs Wigan, Bradley Dack looked a handy little player at lower level, could pick a very fine pass and good first touch.
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Just watched Gillingham vs Wigan, Bradley Dack looked a handy little player at lower level, could pick a very fine pass and good first touch.
Bradley Dack sounds like he should have shared top billing with Dirk Diggler in a Ben Dover production. The best first touch I ever saw was from someone called Fingers Clitwell, but I doubt that was his real name.
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its not just the points total though is it?
its the 8 nil at chelsea
getting bummed in an fa cup final
bradford
orient
no wins in 9 at home
sheff utd
longest run in our history without a win
15 goals conceded and none scored
being shit at home for 5 seasons
being shit for 5 seasons
6 nil at southampton
but if we get to 25 points we wont be a laughing stock?
reality check - we already are
exactly we have beat every horrible record at the club
Millwall too
That's just the on the field stuff. The off the field stuff has just compounded the misery. "Factory of sadness" indeed.
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Garde said today the players need new blood to give them a lift and to re energise the group. I listened to the 13 minute interview Tom Ross put up earlier. He speaks so well and coherently. I do hope he can get some decent results if only to give the fans some faith in him before next season as much as anything
I hope he can get the results to prove that he can get results! Being a bit suave and not Sherwood appears to be all he has in his locker at the moment.
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Garde said today the players need new blood to give them a lift and to re energise the group. I listened to the 13 minute interview Tom Ross put up earlier. He speaks so well and coherently. I do hope he can get some decent results if only to give the fans some faith in him before next season as much as
I hope he can get the results to prove that he can get results! Being a bit suave and not Sherwood appears to be all he has in his locker at the moment.
As the saying goes "I would rather say well done than well said".
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Exactly the point I was making. I hope he gets some results to at least give the fans something to have faith in going into next season. I admire his wishlist of Mandanda, Debuchy and Remy, but I think he needs to set his sights in the real world!
There was an interesting comment about him have a very different set of contacts to the ones the club have used before today, which made me think it was a way of saying he is charge of who comes in.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3389555/Christian-Benteke-fighting-Anfield-future-Liverpool-boss-Jurgen-Klopp-not-sold-former-Aston-Villa-striker.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Let's gee Christian on loan....
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Just watched Gillingham vs Wigan, Bradley Dack looked a handy little player at lower level, could pick a very fine pass and good first touch.
Bradley Dack sounds like he should have shared top billing with Dirk Diggler in a Ben Dover production. The best first touch I ever saw was from someone called Fingers Clitwell, but I doubt that was his real name.
That has made me chuckle!
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Listening to the Tom Ross interview with Garde, he mentions a few times that our recent results haven't helped with getting the transfer targets he wants. In other words now that we are nailed on relegation certainties, nobody will touch us with a barge pole
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So he and we need to get our heads out of the clouds, stop persueing the likes of Remy and Debuchy and see if we can get a jump on some of the better talents in the Championship and not waste 22 days chasing players who are a pipe dream.
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Lescott to the MLS?
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Lescott to the MLS?
Just seen that , let him go I say
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Where did you read that? I know he was offered a chance a couple of years back to join Portland who also off course signed another ex-Villa with Paul McGrathesque skills, Liam Ridgewell.
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Lescott to the MLS?
Just seen that , let him go I say
Snap their hands off. He's been a very poor signing.
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Where did you read that? I know he was offered a chance a couple of years back to join Portland who also off course signed another ex-Villa with Paul McGrathesque skills, Liam Ridgewell.
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/eng/la-galaxy-interested-in-obtaining-nigel-de-jong-from-milan/
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Where did you read that? I know he was offered a chance a couple of years back to join Portland who also off course signed another ex-Villa with Paul McGrathesque skills, Liam Ridgewell.
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/eng/la-galaxy-interested-in-obtaining-nigel-de-jong-from-milan/
I don't think there would many tears if this was true however the source of the story seems a little off the wall. Not saying it couldn't be correct. If we are selling these players, fine, but let's ensure that we players in place to come in. Not like we have exactly been lucky at the CB spot with injuries in the past few seasons.
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Where did you read that? I know he was offered a chance a couple of years back to join Portland who also off course signed another ex-Villa with Paul McGrathesque skills, Liam Ridgewell.
http://gianlucadimarzio.com/en/eng/la-galaxy-interested-in-obtaining-nigel-de-jong-from-milan/
I don't think there would many tears if this was true however the source of the story seems a little off the wall. Not saying it couldn't be correct. If we are selling these players, fine, but let's ensure that we players in place to come in. Not like we have exactly been lucky at the CB spot with injuries in the past few seasons.
I agree, it depends who we have coming in. He has been a disappointment but still been a shade better than Clark and Richards at CB this season. If we have a good experienced player coming in instead let him go, otherwise keep him and play him alongside Okore with Richards RB
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I quite like Lescott. I thought he was excellent in the second half at Newcastle and the home game with West Ham. He was poor at Sunderland but having shown Defoe on the outside Guzan should never have let it in at the near post.
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I quite like Lescott. I thought he was excellent in the second half at Newcastle and the home game with West Ham. He was poor at Sunderland but having shown Defoe on the outside Guzan should never have let it in at the near post.
To be fair, Lescott did everything right with that goal, but it did show that he's lost that bit of pace as Defoe side stepped him to get the shot away. Defoe is still no slouch mind, and as you say, it was Guzan more to blame for letting it past his near post. Had Richards been in that position he would have dived in stupidly and taken himself out of the game.
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I quite like Lescott. I thought he was excellent in the second half at Newcastle and the home game with West Ham. He was poor at Sunderland but having shown Defoe on the outside Guzan should never have let it in at the near post.
He certainly played well v West Ham.
Maybe, just maybe, Guzan was under the misapprehension that having shown Defoe the outside that Lescott would follow through on his centre half duties and prevent a shot on goal. Maybe.
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Although there are a small handful that I'd like to keep, I really wouldn't lose any sleep over selling any of this squad.
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I think about 4 I would be disappointed to see go. The rest can do one.
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I'd be disappointed if we lost any of Ayew, Vertout, Grealish, Troare, Amavi and Gana.
That's the potential of a decent side right here. The rest are a total waste of space.
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Just watched Gillingham vs Wigan, Bradley Dack looked a handy little player at lower level, could pick a very fine pass and good first touch.
Is a very neat little player. Plays at the tip of the diamond and scores a decent number of goals. All this is in the 3rd Division though, so there is the question mark about his ability to make the step up to the Championship.
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I quite like Lescott. I thought he was excellent in the second half at Newcastle and the home game with West Ham. He was poor at Sunderland but having shown Defoe on the outside Guzan should never have let it in at the near post.
Not being able to play two games in quick succession is going to be problematic if we are in the Championship next season. I would like to see some consistency in selection in defence going forward.
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I'd be disappointed if we lost any of Ayew, Vertout, Grealish, Troare, Amavi and Gana.
That's the potential of a decent side right here. The rest are a total waste of space.
#the only ones i would keep too
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5. Forgot Amavi. Gana I would let go if we got our money back at the moment.
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I agree with keeping those six. I'd like to keep Gil, too. He's one of our most creative players, packs a decent shot, can score the occasional stunning goal, but he's lightweight and I'm not sure what his best position is. Bit like Shaun Maloney. But I suspect he won't stick around for the Championship and he'll be off.
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Problem is playing Gil and Grealish together without losing the balance of the side
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I'd be disappointed if we lost any of Ayew, Vertout, Grealish, Troare, Amavi and Gana.
That's the potential of a decent side right here. The rest are a total waste of space.
#the only ones i would keep too
I'd keep Okore as well, at least as a squad player.
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Forgot him too.
Wenger had said there is nothing to really report on Debuchy
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anyway its not in our hands its in the players hands and we have zero influence over it so why be bothered by it?
It's a good point, but it does kind of beg the question why you bother supporting a football club at all, let alone post on a mesage board about one...??
there is thing called freedom of speech and having an opinion
i have a st and have followed the villa for 40 years and will say what i like
dont start with i am a better fan than yow because what i say is right and what yow say isnt
you are bothered by our points totatl and im not, so what?
Bizarre. I don't even know where to start. I'm not for a second claiming to be a "better an" than anyone, i just can't understand the point you trying to make? To clarify, you're asking me why the demise of the football club that I support and love bothers me, right....?
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This is probably not the thread for it in fairness, but for our fans that go to away games and homes games week in week out, a few wins between now and May can only be a good thing. The idea of not caring if we win again is a strange one, I have become numb to losing each week, but would still love us to win a few games despite it not really mattering. I enjoy a win in pre-season, let alone a competitive game.
We are being linked with Lamine Kone from Lorient who Sunderland were in talks with and seem to have changed their mind on in favour of a big German fella. If Lescott is going then an incoming centre half would make sense.
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5. Forgot Amavi. Gana I would let go if we got our money back at the moment.
Very disappointed with Gana. May as well have Downing as our enforcer.
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I think Amavi's injury is the only thing that will keep him at VP next season. It's an ill wind.......
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Unless I misheard the commentator I believe Stoke have a player called Wellshite. If ever there was a player ideal for this team...
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anyway its not in our hands its in the players hands and we have zero influence over it so why be bothered by it?
It's a good point, but it does kind of beg the question why you bother supporting a football club at all, let alone post on a mesage board about one...??
there is thing called freedom of speech and having an opinion
i have a st and have followed the villa for 40 years and will say what i like
dont start with i am a better fan than yow because what i say is right and what yow say isnt
you are bothered by our points totatl and im not, so what?
Bizarre. I don't even know where to start. I'm not for a second claiming to be a "better an" than anyone, i just can't understand the point you trying to make? To clarify, you're asking me why the demise of the football club that I support and love bothers me, right....?
No
The snidey why do you bother supporting a club and posting because I said I wasn't bothered by our points total
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I'm not bothered whether you're bothered, that's your prerogative. I must admit I'm bothered though, if we finish with less than Derby did in '08 I'd be very bothered.
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Forgot him too.
Wenger had said there is nothing to really report on Debuchy
Wenger said he'd had no contact with anyone, which was a bit strange as Garde said he'd spoken to him in his press conference yesterday.
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Forgot him too.
Wenger had said there is nothing to really report on Debuchy
Wenger said he'd had no contact with anyone, which was a bit strange as Garde said he'd spoken to him in his press conference yesterday.
Someone's telling porkies then. Not sure a right back is priority myself, considering we have Richards that can play there, Hutton is not great but better than some in the team and we haven't even tried Crespo there yet.
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I agree with keeping those six. I'd like to keep Gil, too. He's one of our most creative players, packs a decent shot, can score the occasional stunning goal, but he's lightweight and I'm not sure what his best position is. Bit like Shaun Maloney. But I suspect he won't stick around for the Championship and he'll be off.
Agree Paul, but I'm not sure any of the managers he's had have employed him properly yet. I see him as a 'number 10' type player, but the managers he's had seem to want to play him out wide, which I don't think suits him at all.
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Forgot him too.
Wenger had said there is nothing to really report on Debuchy
Wenger said he'd had no contact with anyone, which was a bit strange as Garde said he'd spoken to him in his press conference yesterday.
Someone's telling porkies then. Not sure a right back is priority myself, considering we have Richards that can play there, Hutton is not great but better than some in the team and we haven't even tried Crespo there yet.
No but if we could get someone of the quality of Debuchy.....
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Gil is pure talent we need to keep him and develop him.
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I would be very bothered if we got a few more points than the record low and it was regarded as some sort of achievement IF WHILE THAT WAS HAPPENING Remi Garde walked and our nucleus of best players was lost and we were left only with the piss takers and Pearson on a short list of one.
Of course the points total is important but my personal view is that there are far bigger problems to resolve.
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I think our best interest is served by Remi staying and we must ensure he does. Having said that I am concerned about hit statements on Remy and Debuchy. Hiddink has a go at him and today Wenger said that no o e has been in touch with him.
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Gil is pure talent we need to keep him and develop him.
Agree, but I want to see him play further up the field. A lot of the work he does at the moment is in areas where he won't hurt teams.
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Gil is pure talent we need to keep him and develop him.
Agree, but I want to see him play further up the field. A lot of the work he does at the moment is in areas where he won't hurt teams.
I think that's down to poor organisation from management and lack of a decent focal point up front that a player like Gil can get close to and play off.
We also don't have enough quality to pick out floating players like Gil effectively and thus they end up dropping deeper and deeper to get in the game.
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Just seen Jermaine Jenas has announced his retirement, thought it was an old webpage.
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Honestly don't think we will sign anyone before the window shuts, unless it's a panic buy on the last day. Also believe that we will not lose anyone from our current squad, before the end of the season.
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anyway its not in our hands its in the players hands and we have zero influence over it so why be bothered by it?
It's a good point, but it does kind of beg the question why you bother supporting a football club at all, let alone post on a mesage board about one...??
there is thing called freedom of speech and having an opinion
i have a st and have followed the villa for 40 years and will say what i like
dont start with i am a better fan than yow because what i say is right and what yow say isnt
you are bothered by our points totatl and im not, so what?
Bizarre. I don't even know where to start. I'm not for a second claiming to be a "better an" than anyone, i just can't understand the point you trying to make? To clarify, you're asking me why the demise of the football club that I support and love bothers me, right....?
No
The snidey why do you bother supporting a club and posting because I said I wasn't bothered by our points total
I didn't read it as snidey for what it's worth. You said you're not going to be bothered by what you can't control, to which he said "fair point but doesn't that undermine supporting football generally" or something, which to be fair is a decent point.
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Just seen Jermaine Jenas has announced his retirement, thought it was an old webpage.
I thought he retired the moment he rocked up at Villa Park to be honest.
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Completely agree with the assessment of Gil. He's one of our few players who can make space for himself when on the ball so he should be used centrally if he's going to play.
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He must have received the ball centrally about 7 or 8 times at the weekend and was brushes straight off it. He is very skilful and I think can finish well but rarely plays a killer pass usually due to bring to deep. It might be with giving him a shot right up to alongside Ayew in a Beardsley type role.
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the 'whos bothered or less bothered' debate is more interesting than anything happening in the Villa transfer market at the moment
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the 'whos bothered or less bothered' debate is more interesting than anything happening in the Villa transfer market at the moment
That bothers me.
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He must have received the ball centrally about 7 or 8 times at the weekend and was brushes straight off it. He is very skilful and I think can finish well but rarely plays a killer pass usually due to bring to deep. It might be with giving him a shot right up to alongside Ayew in a Beardsley type role.
He probably doesn't play many killer passes due to the total and utter dearth of talent in front of him.
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the 'whos bothered or less bothered' debate is more interesting than anything happening in the Villa transfer market at the moment
That bothers me.
Me ? Don't give a s**t
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He must have received the ball centrally about 7 or 8 times at the weekend and was brushes straight off it. He is very skilful and I think can finish well but rarely plays a killer pass usually due to bring to deep. It might be with giving him a shot right up to alongside Ayew in a Beardsley type role.
Agree with the last sentence and you only have to look at Bojan at Stoke to see how a player of that type can be used. I remember what I think was his home debut when he came on against Liverpool in that 'number 10' role and created some chances.
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the 'whos bothered or less bothered' debate is more interesting than anything happening in the Villa transfer market at the moment
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Remi does seem to be talking about a lot of players.
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Remi does seem to be talking about a lot of players.
I think that is what is known as the law of diminishing returns
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I reckon we are light in numbers for midfield and yet have allowed Gardner to join Forest. I hope this means we have someone lined up. Inler?
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Inler would be great. Apparently Afobe is of to Bournemouth and Khazi likely to go to Celta Vigo.
I think we are finding out that 11 points adrift means targets in the 1st list are not likely to come.
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I've got a couple of mates watching tonight’s match with me and one of them - a Scouser - reckons that the only reason Benteke is playing in a team of stiffs tonight is to cup tie him prior to him being sent on loan to us.
Fanciful I know, but my mate goes to most of their home games and says that the big man just doesn't fit into Klopp's style of play and maybe he'll come back here till the end of the season and then Klopp will try to sell him off to another club.
Pure speculation I know but it's in the thread title. And stranger things have happened.
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Will I would love 6 months of the big man back of only because we would see some moments of brilliance. Maybe the last we would for a long time but I very much doubt it.
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I reckon we are light in numbers for midfield and yet have allowed Gardner to join Forest. I hope this means we have someone lined up. Inler?
Yeah, like Gardner was going to get a first team look in ;D
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Its very unlikely but he does need to play for several reasons;
a) Its the Euro's in 6 months so he would want/need to play regularly
b) If he doesnt play his value will decrease as his performances have been poor this season but thats not all his fault
You dont need to be a rocket scientist to work out that he isnt Klopps sort of player
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Just to clarify once and for all....Adam Bogdan really was a serious suggestion on here.
Just to make sure.
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I think it was. I think he may have done enough to be the new Enkleman!
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Yes, Mr Harte's suggestion doesn't look that great right now.
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Incredible to think his predecessor was Brad Jones who now is number 2 at Bradford.
Probably two of the worst keepers I've seen play in the premier league.
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Incredible to think his predecessor was Brad Jones who now is number 2 at Bradford.
Probably two of the worst keepers I've seen play in the premier league.
Gomes the Watford 'keeper and the joker who took his place when he got injured against us back in November run them pretty close.
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Gomes is a decent shot stopper in fairness to him. Poor at most other things but does make saves that I don't think Guzan doors at times.
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the 'whos bothered or less bothered' debate is more interesting than anything happening in the Villa transfer market at the moment
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So its January 8th.
My fantasy that the club were desperately waiting for the window to open to really go big on player aquisitions, which they had been negotiating over all December to make sure we hit January running was wrong then. Again.
I didnt think there was much emotion left, but I am angry again.
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Perhaps ciggies, the funds are being earmarked for a clear out.
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Perhaps ciggies, the funds are being earmarked for a clear out.
If this is the case, this would suggest no effort is being made to attempt the recruitment required to attempt the miracle. Our gormless custodian has given up. This meek acceptance of the inevitable bodes ill, I expect a poorly planned campaign next season, with a shoestring budget by championship standards and player additions who are the young, hungry cream of the conference
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Perhaps Remi Garde is such a good manager that he does not want another Bomb Squad. Perhaps he wants everybody who puts on the shirt to be one hundred percent committed to the club and those who are not to be removed from the club as soon as possible. Perhaps Remi Garde's first request for funding is to pay off contracts and cut out the rotten core of the squad.
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The rotten core of the squad? I think 90% of our squad (if not more) is rotten. If what you say is true he's got one hell of a job on his hands.
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That would be refreshing.
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Well done Brian i agree entirely, and i think that Remi Garde is now taking his lead from the Narvik debate in 1940 when Leo Amery MP quoted Oliver Cromwell from over 300 years before.
Many times this house found itself at the mercy of prince Ruperts Cavilers in battle, Cromwell spoke with John Hampden and said
" Your men are mostly old,decayed serving fellows and tapsters and such types of fellows, you must get men of spirit that are likely to go as far as they can or you will be beaten still"
Cromwell later addressed the long parliament and said
"You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. depart i say, let us have done with you, In the name of god go"
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the 'whos bothered or less bothered' debate is more interesting than anything happening in the Villa transfer market at the moment
That bothers me.
That doesn't bother me.
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Well done Brian i agree entirely, and i think that Remi Garde is now taking his lead from the Narvik debate in 1940 when Leo Amery MP quoted Oliver Cromwell from over 300 years before.
Many times this house found itself at the mercy of prince Ruperts Cavilers in battle, Cromwell spoke with John Hampden and said
" Your men are mostly old,decayed serving fellows and tapsters and such types of fellows, you must get men of spirit that are likely to go as far as they can or you will be beaten still"
Cromwell later addressed the long parliament and said
"You have sat too long here for any good you have been doing. depart i say, let us have done with you, In the name of god go"
Interesting - we could use more of this religious fundamentalist approach using a highly conservative faith to justify acts of violent psycopathy*. We'd certainly lose less!
*One post-modern reading of Oliver Cromwell, others are available.
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Incredible to think his predecessor was Brad Jones who now is number 2 at Bradford.
Probably two of the worst keepers I've seen play in the premier league.
And Jones played a couple of games at Bradford, was poor and so was dropped. He got fed up with being number 2 and has now joined a team in I think Holland or Denmark.
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I've got a couple of mates watching tonight’s match with me and one of them - a Scouser - reckons that the only reason Benteke is playing in a team of stiffs tonight is to cup tie him prior to him being sent on loan to us.
Fanciful I know, but my mate goes to most of their home games and says that the big man just doesn't fit into Klopp's style of play and maybe he'll come back here till the end of the season and then Klopp will try to sell him off to another club.
Pure speculation I know but it's in the thread title. And stranger things have happened.
My boss goes Liverpool often and Benteke is not very popular amongst the fans. Even though he's still scoring, I think 6 in 12 and that includes coming off the bench, they say he's brainless and does not work hard. They also say he's making mistakes in silly areas and does not get into good positions.
I'd love him back for half the season. I think we're down but if we can go down fighting ready for next season it would make a big difference for next season.
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Not sure if it has been mentioned elsewhere but the back page of The Sun is running a story saying Albion are interested in Agbonlahor and mentions a fee of £1.5m. Would be worth it just to see the reaction of their fans. Franksy and the WM phone-in would would go into meltdown.
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At least it would get the fee back they robbed from us for Lescott.
If he went there, he would score 3-4 goals in his first 5-6 games, then go back to being Gabby.
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Incredible to think his predecessor was Brad Jones who now is number 2 at Bradford.
Probably two of the worst keepers I've seen play in the premier league.
Gomes the Watford 'keeper and the joker who took his place when he got injured against us back in November run them pretty close.
Gomes is like David James back in the day, will occasionally throw one in but very capable of match winning saves, Watford's defensive record has been pretty good this year.
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If there's one manager in this league who'd still want Gabby, it is Pulis. He tried to sign him for Stoke in 2012.
He'd play out wide there imo or be back up like Rickie Lambert as they'll surely sell Berahino this window.
Would be amusing to see the self-proclaimed Mr Aston Villa play for them.
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Had a conversation with a Baggies fan at work yesterday. He claimed it was imperative that they got a new striker to put away "all the chances Sessegnon is making", as Lambert can't lead the line as well as he used to. He also claimed this wonder signing would lead to a top half finish.
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He'd probably do a good job for them. On the basis that he's never going to do it for us again, take the money and run.
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Just to clarify once and for all....Adam Bogdan really was a serious suggestion on here.
Just to make sure.
I think that may have been me, mate :)
I can only speak as I see, and every time he played against us he did really well as well as games on TV.
I didn't see last nights game, but I did see he was beaten direct from a corner.
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Just to clarify once and for all....Adam Bogdan really was a serious suggestion on here.
Just to make sure.
I think that may have been me, mate :)
I can only speak as I see, and every time he played against us he did really well as well as games on TV.
I didn't see last nights game, but I did see he was beaten direct from a corner.
Oh god there's two! It was Chris Harte actually.
Bogdan is worse than Guzan.
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Just to clarify once and for all....Adam Bogdan really was a serious suggestion on here.
Just to make sure.
I think that may have been me, mate :)
I can only speak as I see, and every time he played against us he did really well as well as games on TV.
I didn't see last nights game, but I did see he was beaten direct from a corner.
Oh god there's two! It was Chris Harte actually.
Bogdan is worse than Guzan.
You've obviously seen Bogdan play live much more than me then.
As I mentioned, I can only speak as I see. I've been to games he's played in 6 times and he's always done well.
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Probably not going to happen in this window, but at some point we are going to need a defensive midfielder who is an upgrade on Westwood and Sanchez. After the former's performance today, it is clear he is not going to be good enough, even in the Championship.
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we're going to need an upgrade on everyone bar Ayew , Veretout & Amavi. Should we be able to keep hold of them. If not, an upgrade all round.
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I'd hope we wouldn't sell Agbonlahor to any of our dear near neighbours. What is it with Small Heath and Albion, they're absolutely obsessed with our players and getting hold of them.
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I see Crouch has already scored today, he's certainly better than Gestede. He would be better on loan till the end of the season than that lumbering tool we have now.
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Crouch would be great. Next season too. Garde needs the club to help him out and get him 3 experienced players that are his. Much the way Wenger used him.
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we're going to need an upgrade on everyone bar Ayew , Veretout & Amavi. Should we be able to keep hold of them. If not, an upgrade all round.
Oh I agree, a total clear out is required. I was pretty confident that our probable drop to the Championship would be a short one, but on that viewing today I'm not so sure. We need a massive overhaul of playing staff, the sort that can't be fixed in one transfer window.
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Incredible to think his predecessor was Brad Jones who now is number 2 at Bradford.
Probably two of the worst keepers I've seen play in the premier league.
Gomes the Watford 'keeper and the joker who took his place when he got injured against us back in November run them pretty close.
That Watford sub must have been the goalkeeping cousin of Ali Dia because there is no way he was a real professional footballer.
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is Sanchez still injured?
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is Sanchez still injured?
Due back Tuesday according to Physioroom (http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/epl_injury_table.php#c2)
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I'm hearing the Gabby to Smethwick move is very much on the cards.....
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I'm hearing the Gabby to Smethwick move is very much on the cards.....
Yeah I heard a couple of guys talking about that as though it's been agreed.
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All the Albion fans at work were saying yesterday that they've heard Gabby is going there. They also all said that they don't want him because he's "shit, a viler, fat, useless". If he goes there you just know he'd score against us in a couple of weeks.
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Yes he will score a double hat trick and kiss the badge on his chest and we will lose 6-0 .
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Who is going to come to us now?
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Grant Holt?
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Yes all that fan abuse towards the team earlier along with this hellish run is really going to attract quality players
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Lescott to La Galaxy seems to be a strong rumour.
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Still don't think there is any point buying players now unless its loan deals. We're down and why pay more for a player if he's willing to come, who will cost less in fee's and wages in May? Plus we could be left with another player who a new manager won't want. Atm i can't see any reason to believe Garde will still be in charge next season apart from a sympathy vote from Lerner. If WBA are willing to buy Gabby then bite their hand off, same goes for all the other duffers
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If that does happen, and Gabby goes, and NZogbia goes then I really hope we have 4-5 players incoming that are actually going to improve us on the pitch.
The midfield is dire, Okore needs cover at centre half on the right side, we need pace up front, and a mobile, strong centre forward.
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If that does happen, and Gabby goes, and NZogbia goes then I really hope we have 4-5 players incoming that are actually going to improve us on the pitch.
The midfield is dire, Okore needs cover at centre half on the right side, we need pace up front, and a mobile, strong centre forward.
Trouble is i can't see us getting them now. It's hard enough to get good players in January if you're doing well and have a decent budget. Come May, at least we won't have the stench of doom wafting around, and decent ambitious players can see a promotion challenge as a a realistic target for Villa. Now, we either buy players for the championship which isn't really helping us or them now, or try and convince better players we have a hope of staying up. I know footballers as a rule aren't thought of as the sharpest knives in the drawer but Garde would be doing very well to find enough fuckwitts willing to join us with that gambit.
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Staying up might be impossible but we need results to get the fans back behind the team , carrying on like this and going down is going to be toxic.
I don't see a team not trying if anything the stupid fouls like the pen today are evidence of trying too hard , desperate to get the ball back.What I see is a team mentally beaten before a ball is kicked.We need some players to come in to maybe drag the rest of them out of the mire.
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We just need that win. It would change everyone's mood. It has to come sooner or later.
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Staying up might be impossible but we need results to get the fans back behind the team , carrying on like this and going down is going to be toxic.
I don't see a team not trying if anything the stupid fouls like the pen today are evidence of trying too hard , desperate to get the ball back.What I see is a team mentally beaten before a ball is kicked.We need some players to come in to maybe drag the rest of them out of the mire.
As soon as the pressure is off in terms of our staying up which will be very soon if it has not happened already, then the current side will start getting some results and play some decent football. I think this is the case, but more importantly I believe the decision makers are of the same opinion.
If that is so, they will prefer to do their acquisitions in the summer. Departures of deadwood can happen beforehand.
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I wouldn't be adverse to a few old hands brought in with one eye on next season. Someone mentioned Crouch earlier and if you gave him a contract till next May i wouldn't see a problem. He'd probably do a job this season, and would be capable of contributing next season as an old head. Still, i never thought in a millions year i'd ever type that. :0(
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I wouldn't be adverse to a few old hands brought in with one eye on next season. Someone mentioned Crouch earlier and if you gave him a contract till next May i wouldn't see a problem. He'd probably do a job this season, and would be capable of contributing next season as an old head. Still, i never thought in a millions year i'd ever type that. :0(
Agree that Crouch wouldn't bad a bad option until the end of the season, but I think we will need pace in the final third if we are in the Championship next season. He's gone to Bournemouth now, but Afobe would have been a good signing in the summer.
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We should have signed Afobe last summer when we had the chance.
Interesting thing at Bournemouth will be whether Wilson gets back in. I would monitor him closely after the injury if Afobe does well as they won't play both.
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We should have signed Afobe last summer when we had the chance.
Interesting thing at Bournemouth will be whether Wilson gets back in. I would monitor him closely after the injury if Afobe does well as they won't play both.
Wilson unfortunately deserves a crack in this league
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And he'll get it when his 30 goals promotes us.
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why would any decent footballer consciously want to join the poisonous mess that is Aston Villa right now? It's going to take a purge of biblical proportions at every level of the club before anyone other than a mercenary would even consider it, especially so after yesterday. Omnishambles doesn't even come close to describing what this great club has become.
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I'm hearing the Gabby to Smethwick move is very much on the cards.....
Yeah I heard a couple of guys talking about that as though it's been agreed.
Good riddance.
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It'd sum up the quality of the also rans in the PL if Gabby, having performing like he has for us over the last few years, walked straight into another fat PL contract.
Out of all of them, he really deserves to be relegated.
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And he's the only one with pace. If he is to go I'd be disappointed. He'll tear up the Championship.
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And he's the only one with pace. If he is to go I'd be disappointed. He'll tear up the Championship.
He would need a one hundred percent change in attitude.
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if he can't be arsed in the PL would he really be motivated to rip the Championship a new one?
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Don't think we will sign anyone! Who in their right mind would want to join us in this state on and off the pitch!?
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I think offering motivation as an excuse for Gabby is being generous. I don't think the ability is there to be unlocked again if he starts putting more effort in.
I think he's just gradually lost whatever top level ability he had over the last 5 years. He's a bottom half championship player at best now imo.
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Would you walk into this toxic situation if you had other offers? I know I wouldn't touch us with a barge pole unless we were paying way over the odds (which we know we won't be).
My worry is Garde won't plan to stick around so this window is even wasted preparing for next year. That really would be a disaster.
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Gabby wouldn't do very well at the Albion. He would be up front on his own as they play 8 defenders, and it would be down to him to hold the ball up and bring others in to play. Unfortunately for him he couldn't trap a bag of cement.
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I wouldn't be adverse to a few old hands brought in with one eye on next season. Someone mentioned Crouch earlier and if you gave him a contract till next May i wouldn't see a problem. He'd probably do a job this season, and would be capable of contributing next season as an old head. Still, i never thought in a millions year i'd ever type that. :0(
Old heads, we have a few Cissokho, Senderos, Crespo, Lescott, Richardson, Gabby Nzogbia and Hutton, most would struggle to get into any other PL team.
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I'd listen to offers for any of this lot, not that there would be many. We need raking out.
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Gabby wouldn't do very well at the Albion. He would be up front on his own as they play 8 defenders, and it would be down to him to hold the ball up and bring others in to play. Unfortunately for him he couldn't trap a bag of cement.
You could probably put your house on him scoring against us though! However, if we were to get a fee for him and off the wage bill then it's a no-brainer.
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Gabby wouldn't do very well at the Albion. He would be up front on his own as they play 8 defenders, and it would be down to him to hold the ball up and bring others in to play. Unfortunately for him he couldn't trap a bag of cement.
You could probably put your house on him scoring against us though! However, if we were to get a fee for him and off the wage bill then it's a no-brainer.
Not unlike himself. Get rid.
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I'm taking the Agbonlahor story with a pinch of salt, £1.5 million? We'll be paying half his wages if he does the decent thing.
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I'd listen to offers for any of this lot, not that there would be many. We need raking out.
Agree Des and I don't think it is just the playing side of things either, it is more the attitude of the squad that needs to change. Easier said than done, but I would look at shifting out Guzan, Richards, Lescott, Sanchez, Sinclair and Agbonlahor in the summer as well as letting go those out of contract (Cole, Richardson, Senderos etc). We are a looking at a total rebuild and it is going to take time, which I fear means a prolonged stay in the Championship.
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Read in a paper today that there are some clubs interested in Ayew (Palace mentioned) and he could be off if an asking price of £6m is met. That price seems low to me and isn't it less than we paid for him?
Same paper also reporting that Bony could be available on loan until the end of the season.
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Read in a paper today that there are some clubs interested in Ayew (Palace mentioned) and he could be off if an asking price of £6m is met. That price seems low to me and isn't it less than we paid for him?
Same paper also reporting that Bony could be available on loan until the end of the season.
Both stories sound nonsense. We're not going to sell a player for £3m less than when we brought him 4 months ago.
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Gabby wouldn't do very well at the Albion. He would be up front on his own as they play 8 defenders, and it would be down to him to hold the ball up and bring others in to play. Unfortunately for him he couldn't trap a bag of cement.
he has got a great fourth touch though
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Yes that would be great. Fecking clubs like Palace signing our better players....another new in humiliation.
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Read in a paper today that there are some clubs interested in Ayew (Palace mentioned) and he could be off if an asking price of £6m is met. That price seems low to me and isn't it less than we paid for him?
Same paper also reporting that Bony could be available on loan until the end of the season.
Both stories sound nonsense. We're not going to sell a player for £3m less than when we brought him 4 months ago.
Agree on the Ayew one, though I can see him attracting interest. I would have thought he would be one of the very few of our players whose asking price would have gone up this season though, so £6m sounds low.
I could see the Bony one having a bit more legs, especially if they bring another forward in this transfer window.
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Bony would have far better and more attractive offers than coming here.
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Bony would have far better and more attractive offers than coming here.
He may prefer Swansea but I don't think they will want/need him so who else?
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We would make a profit on Ayew but would not sell.
Bony lol..
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Read in a paper today that there are some clubs interested in Ayew (Palace mentioned) and he could be off if an asking price of £6m is met. That price seems low to me and isn't it less than we paid for him?
Same paper also reporting that Bony could be available on loan until the end of the season.
Both stories sound nonsense. We're not going to sell a player for £3m less than when we brought him 4 months ago.
Indeed.
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I think Bony is this years Wesley Sneijder or Juninho
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Demba Ba, anyone?. Currently playing ( and doing well ) in Shanghai but they are in close season until Feb/March.
Worth a punt , Lukas Spalvis , 6ft 3 in , 21 yr old Lithuanian Striker currently leading goalscorer with 22 goals in 40 games for Aalborg ( Danish Superliga) .
He has the nickname "Zweimal" meaning "twice" in German, due to a happy knack of scoring goals in two's.
Lithuanian Footballer of the Year (1): 2015
Best player in the fall 2015, Superliga.
Player of the Month, Superliga (2): April, 2014 and October, 2015......not bad for a 21yr old !........Godzvilla!
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We would make a profit on Ayew but would not sell.
I can't see how we'd make a profit on him. We paid 9/10m didn't we ?
To the outside world he will have done zero to warrant that yet. He may well be a shining light in our eyes, but lets remember how little else we've got for him to compete against
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If that's the case, why would anybody want to buy him?
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If that's the case, why would anybody want to buy him?
I doubt they do
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Read in a paper today that there are some clubs interested in Ayew (Palace mentioned) and he could be off if an asking price of £6m is met. That price seems low to me and isn't it less than we paid for him?
Same paper also reporting that Bony could be available on loan until the end of the season.
Both stories sound nonsense. We're not going to sell a player for £3m less than when we brought him 4 months ago.
Whilst I don't think there is anything in it, we have recent form for handicapping ourselves with release fees.
It could be that it was written into his contract that if we go down, he could go for half the fee we paid.
We are down, barring a miracle. So £6 million now and a big earner of the wage bill might be better than taking less in the summer and paying his wages up until that point. Better for Lerner and Fox, that is. Not for us.
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Ayew I doubt is a huge earner
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Gabby wouldn't do very well at the Albion. He would be up front on his own as they play 8 defenders, and it would be down to him to hold the ball up and bring others in to play. Unfortunately for him he couldn't trap a bag of cement.
he has got a great fourth touch though
That's half of his last contribution in a game though....
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I'd take Marcin Wasilewski. 35, but a warrior.
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The first signings Id have made his January would have been a sports psychologist, a priest and an exorcist. After they are done with their primary task we could have them take the place of Richardson, Westwood and Gestede in the squad.
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Rudy's certainly possessed by something, and it's nothing to do with football
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The first signings Id have made his January would have been a sports psychologist, a priest and an exorcist. After they are done with their primary task we could have them take the place of Richardson, Westwood and Gestede in the squad.
In amongst a squad where the majority of players are hopeless, Richardson, Westwood, Gestede and Bacuna actively cause us damage.
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The first signings Id have made his January would have been a sports psychologist, a priest and an exorcist.
I think the signing I'd make first this month would be an executioner.
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The first signings Id have made his January would have been a sports psychologist, a priest and an exorcist.
I think the signing I'd make first this month would be an executioner.
Now there's an idea. Instead of a Man of the Match vote....
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The first signings Id have made his January would have been a sports psychologist, a priest and an exorcist.
I think the signing I'd make first this month would be an executioner.
New equipment arrives at Bodymoor to kick off preparations for life in the Championship. Included in the shipment; stocks, a guilotine, racks and a head crusher.
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A sports psychologist would be useful.
But he desperately needs a couple of his own generals on the pitch to be his voice.
The side are totally devoid of leaders once on the field. We need one in the back 4, one in midfield and one on the forward line.
An executioner for some players would be good too. Richardson and Gesteded would need to be in a fight to avoid the chop
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A sports psychologist would be useful.
But he desperately needs a couple of his own generals on the pitch to be his voice.
The side are totally devoid of leaders once on the field. We need one in the back 4, one in midfield and one on the forward line.
An executioner for some players would be good too. Richardson and Gesteded would need to be in a fight to avoid the chop
The lack of leaders is definitely a huge problem. We're drowning in crap right now and far too few seem to care. There's too little character in the side. Most of our experience are also absolutely done in at this level too.
I think even just a couple of reasonable players could make a difference for us. I would be listening to offers too for 90% of our squad too. Take any reasonable opportunity to rid ourselves of anyone not showing the required character or anyone who undermines the manager.
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Bringing in players, fresh bright and breezy might be the only answer in terms of positively affecting confidence. They won't, hopefully have been involved with relegation scraps at their current clubs. Keeper, centre mid and a forward for starters.
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Disappointed we still haven't got a single player in as yet. January 10th, and after the season we've had I'd have thought we'd have at least one new signing to bolster the squad especially with 2 home games in a week coming up.
Come on Villa at least try and look like we haven't given up.
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We will hardly be shopping at Harrods, so the excuse of getting teams to part with their better players won't wash either.
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Is there any point in getting players in though? We're already down, the signings we will be looking to make in our position aren't going to change that. We're shopping at Netto and the calibre of player we will be able to attract won't have any impact. Save the money and rebuild in the summer.
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I want our fightback to begin asap and part of that for me would be to turn around this hideous run, go down with some fight, get the team organised and playing together to instructions, otherwise we are entering the next season at rock bottom and I think it will be damaging to next season if by then we haven't started to stem the tide. To do this we need some new players, with the right attitudes, installed into the side now. Especially if they are to be foreign signings, then they need a bit of time to adapt to England and our football.
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Got to be careful not to overeact with the sales, Yes, you can count on a leper's hand the players who have impressed this season, BUT a lot of these players will be useful next year once some confidence has returned. If they were that shit they wouldn't have survived in the premiership upto now. The main problem is we went into the season with an inexperienced and timid midfield and no striker worthy of the name. Apart from 4 or 5 of them, i think we have, with a few additions, a decent promotion challenging side. I just hope we don't compound the problem and sign a new team on a lidl budget. Rarely works.
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Disappointed we still haven't got a single player in as yet. January 10th, and after the season we've had I'd have thought we'd have at least one new signing to bolster the squad especially with 2 home games in a week coming up.
Come on Villa at least try and look like we haven't given up.
Totally agree. I also wonder what Garde was promised and what he is getting. A lot of our recent managers have had a change in attitude after the first window under Lerner. The paranoid bit of me Ithinks he deliberately waited until the january window was nice & closed before axing Lambert so as to avoid buying more players for Sherwood in January.
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Disappointed we still haven't got a single player in as yet. January 10th, and after the season we've had I'd have thought we'd have at least one new signing to bolster the squad especially with 2 home games in a week coming up.
Come on Villa at least try and look like we haven't given up.
It's ok, Fox and one of the other morons are flying out to ask for signings.
John Percy @JPercyTelegraph 8m8 minutes ago
#avfc latest: Fox & Almstadt are flying out for crisis talks with Lerner and will push for new signings http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12091882/Aston-Villa-executives-fly-out-for-crisis-talks-with-Randy-Lerner-after-Wycombe-embarrassment.html …
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Its in the B'ham Mail too:-
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-board-set-crisis-10713003
'Aston Villa board set for crisis talks in New York to plot a way forward for January and the rest of the season'
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Why the fuck were they not out there a month a go, getting the budget set and finding players that could come last week??
Piss up. Brewery. Organise.
Sorry we have to fly to New York to discuss it. Use the fucking phone.
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Is there any point in getting players in though? We're already down, the signings we will be looking to make in our position aren't going to change that. We're shopping at Netto and the calibre of player we will be able to attract won't have any impact. Save the money and rebuild in the summer.
Given how difficult it can be to integrate a large number of players in 1 go, getting 2 or 3 in who'll be here next season is not the worst idea in the world.
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Got to be careful not to overeact with the sales, Yes, you can count on a leper's hand the players who have impressed this season, BUT a lot of these players will be useful next year once some confidence has returned. If they were that shit they wouldn't have survived in the premiership upto now. The main problem is we went into the season with an inexperienced and timid midfield and no striker worthy of the name. Apart from 4 or 5 of them, i think we have, with a few additions, a decent promotion challenging side. I just hope we don't compound the problem and sign a new team on a lidl budget. Rarely works.
A very good post unfortunately spoiled by the use of an inappropriate phrase.
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I imagine the Norwich and Sunderland defeats did for any prior planning. It's now a case of go Bent level Saudi stag do party spending or do nothing.
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I have zero faith in this crew to actually come up with anything that will benefit the squad. I'd rather they channelled their energies into finding a buyer who has the first clue how to run a football club.
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Disappointed we still haven't got a single player in as yet. January 10th, and after the season we've had I'd have thought we'd have at least one new signing to bolster the squad especially with 2 home games in a week coming up.
Come on Villa at least try and look like we haven't given up.
It's ok, Fox and one of the other morons are flying out to ask for signings.
John Percy @JPercyTelegraph 8m8 minutes ago
#avfc latest: Fox & Almstadt are flying out for crisis talks with Lerner and will push for new signings http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12091882/Aston-Villa-executives-fly-out-for-crisis-talks-with-Randy-Lerner-after-Wycombe-embarrassment.html …
Conspiracy theory: are they sacking Garde? Or has he tendered his resignation? Hence the crisis talks. I really don't understand why they need to go over there to ask for money for signings. Brewery and piss up is totally correct.
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Why the fuck were they not out there a month a go, getting the budget set and finding players that could come last week??
Piss up. Brewery. Organise.
Sorry we have to fly to New York to discuss it. Use the fucking phone.
There's no need or excuse for needing to fly out there.
1. Even if they haven't got proper video meeting equipment, which given where Lerner is living there bloody well should be, have they not heard of Skype?
2. If they've got to meet face to face, they should be meeting where the fewest people have to travel, i.e., Birmingham.
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I reckon he might have said get me 4 of my players by the end of this month or I am done.
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Why the fuck were they not out there a month a go, getting the budget set and finding players that could come last week??
Piss up. Brewery. Organise.
Sorry we have to fly to New York to discuss it. Use the fucking phone.
I'm sure that they had a budget in mind and targets when Garde took over. However we were 5 points back and January was a good way off. I don't think any of them saw it getting significantly worse to the point where I can absolutely imagine not one of their original targets want to join or if they do it is at an exorbitant price. Plus I am sure any selling club wants to take full advantage of our desperation. They might even be discussing Garde and how much longer we can go without winning a game before they pull the trigger again.
Whichever way you look at it, it's a fucking disaster what this season has turned into.
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The only possible excuse for the lack of activity is if they'd got deals lined up based on still having a realistic chance of staying up, but now that that's no longer the case those targets have politely declined, now it really is stick or twist with regards doing any business at all.
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Its in the B'ham Mail too:-
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-board-set-crisis-10713003
'Aston Villa board set for crisis talks in New York to plot a way forward for January and the rest of the season'
Why are we asking the twat for signings in the second week of January and some more plan for the future bullshit? Is the old plan, written on the back of a fag packet already up in smoke? I have no idea if it's true or not but it sounds amateurish so sounds about our level. What are they thinking day to day?
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And all businesses have a contingency plan. Maybe this is to set that in motion which frankly is the end of us in the PL. It will be an acknowledgment that relegation has been accepted and a message to Garde that there is no point spending for the sake of it in January. If that is the case expect Garde to say fuck it, I'm out.
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Why the fuck were they not out there a month a go, getting the budget set and finding players that could come last week??
Piss up. Brewery. Organise.
Sorry we have to fly to New York to discuss it. Use the fucking phone.
There's no need or excuse for needing to fly out there.
1. Even if they haven't got proper video meeting equipment, which given where Lerner is living there bloody well should be, have they not heard of Skype?
2. If they've got to meet face to face, they should be meeting where the fewest people have to travel, i.e., Birmingham.
Stop being sensible and pragmatic. These "crises talks in New York" provides all the smoke and mirrors we need.
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Disappointed we still haven't got a single player in as yet. January 10th, and after the season we've had I'd have thought we'd have at least one new signing to bolster the squad especially with 2 home games in a week coming up.
Come on Villa at least try and look like we haven't given up.
It's ok, Fox and one of the other morons are flying out to ask for signings.
John Percy @JPercyTelegraph 8m8 minutes ago
#avfc latest: Fox & Almstadt are flying out for crisis talks with Lerner and will push for new signings http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12091882/Aston-Villa-executives-fly-out-for-crisis-talks-with-Randy-Lerner-after-Wycombe-embarrassment.html …
Jesus Christ we've left it till the middle of January to discuss strengthening the squad. The place is a bloody mad house.
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We must have had more crisis meetings than I've had beans on toast. And I like beans on toast. A lot.
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Disappointed we still haven't got a single player in as yet. January 10th, and after the season we've had I'd have thought we'd have at least one new signing to bolster the squad especially with 2 home games in a week coming up.
Come on Villa at least try and look like we haven't given up.
It's ok, Fox and one of the other morons are flying out to ask for signings.
John Percy @JPercyTelegraph 8m8 minutes ago
#avfc latest: Fox & Almstadt are flying out for crisis talks with Lerner and will push for new signings http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12091882/Aston-Villa-executives-fly-out-for-crisis-talks-with-Randy-Lerner-after-Wycombe-embarrassment.html …
Jesus Christ we've left it till the middle of January to discuss strengthening the squad. The place is a bloody mad house.
I'd have gone for a mausoleum myself.
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And all businesses have a contingency plan. Maybe this is to set that in motion which frankly is the end of us in the PL. It will be an acknowledgment that relegation has been accepted and a message to Garde that there is no point spending for the sake of it in January. If that is the case expect Garde to say fuck it, I'm out.
If that's the case, I couldn't blame him for going, not one bit. Having said that, he has had ten games to get them going. It's a tough one but I don't think anyone could blame him from walking.
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Disappointed we still haven't got a single player in as yet. January 10th, and after the season we've had I'd have thought we'd have at least one new signing to bolster the squad especially with 2 home games in a week coming up.
Come on Villa at least try and look like we haven't given up.
It's ok, Fox and one of the other morons are flying out to ask for signings.
John Percy @JPercyTelegraph 8m8 minutes ago
#avfc latest: Fox & Almstadt are flying out for crisis talks with Lerner and will push for new signings http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12091882/Aston-Villa-executives-fly-out-for-crisis-talks-with-Randy-Lerner-after-Wycombe-embarrassment.html …
Jesus Christ we've left it till the middle of January to discuss strengthening the squad. The place is a bloody mad house.
Do you really believe that? Because as shit as things are and they are, and as inept as they have been as an executive team I don't believe that for one second.
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And every crisis meeting throws up a completely different plan from the last failed plan. I honestly think you could pick 3 random fans from the Holte End and they'd struggle to do a worse job than the incumbent morons at the moment.
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Disappointed we still haven't got a single player in as yet. January 10th, and after the season we've had I'd have thought we'd have at least one new signing to bolster the squad especially with 2 home games in a week coming up.
Come on Villa at least try and look like we haven't given up.
It's ok, Fox and one of the other morons are flying out to ask for signings.
John Percy @JPercyTelegraph 8m8 minutes ago
#avfc latest: Fox & Almstadt are flying out for crisis talks with Lerner and will push for new signings http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12091882/Aston-Villa-executives-fly-out-for-crisis-talks-with-Randy-Lerner-after-Wycombe-embarrassment.html …
Jesus Christ we've left it till the middle of January to discuss strengthening the squad. The place is a bloody mad house.
Do you really believe that? Because as shit as things are and they are, and as inept as they have been as an executive team I don't believe that for one second.
What do you think it is then?
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No doubts the talks will take a couple of days, so unfortunately Fox and Almstadt will have to be unavailable for the potential booing and fan protests at the game on Tuesday evening! Unless of course they are staging a two man sit in in New York on behalf of the fans. Some bloody hope!!
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Unless they're bringing Lampard and Pirlo back with them what's the point of going to NY when phones and Skype work so well these days?
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Disappointed we still haven't got a single player in as yet. January 10th, and after the season we've had I'd have thought we'd have at least one new signing to bolster the squad especially with 2 home games in a week coming up.
Come on Villa at least try and look like we haven't given up.
It's ok, Fox and one of the other morons are flying out to ask for signings.
John Percy @JPercyTelegraph 8m8 minutes ago
#avfc latest: Fox & Almstadt are flying out for crisis talks with Lerner and will push for new signings http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12091882/Aston-Villa-executives-fly-out-for-crisis-talks-with-Randy-Lerner-after-Wycombe-embarrassment.html …
Jesus Christ we've left it till the middle of January to discuss strengthening the squad. The place is a bloody mad house.
Do you really believe that? Because as shit as things are and they are, and as inept as they have been as an executive team I don't believe that for one second.
What do you think it is then?
My biggest concern would be the activation of a contingency plan that they might have discussed prior to Garde being appointed. That is they would have a budget/plan in place to support him should the situation at the time stay the same or improve. I think we would have been successful in getting certain targets and having a significant transfer budget if staying up was very much possible. I think now with the situation much worse than even they could have imagined they might activate contingency which would be to curb all spending until the summer. Because it won't come as shock to anyone that the prices being quoted to us are higher, wage demands are higher, or simply those identified back when Garde arrived now won't come at all.
There's the possibility Garde has issued some form of ultimatum, or they could be considering yet another change. Whichever scenario you decide to consider to be the truth, none of them are good at all, but the one I cannot believe is that they are taking a flight to NY to ask for money, or that they might be starting their January discussions in the second week of the window.
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I don't for one minute believe Garde took the job without promises of funds in January. A blind man could see this squad assembled wasn't good enough for this league and Garde is not stupid, he knows what is needed. All we know is that today is Jan 11th, we still haven't strengthened the squad and Fox and co have gone to America to speak to the chairman. Perhaps Garde has issued an ultimatum and I wouldn't blame him if he has because this club is an absolute clusterfuck staring relegation in the face.
3 or 4 decent players could kickstart our survival. I know it's a long shot but for Christ sake we can't give up in January. It would be a crime against the club and cowardly as well.
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Why is Almstadt going? I thought he was just the guy who organises things and has no say in transfers what so ever?
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That's worrying. I can only think that plan A is a bit slimline and Garde is saying that he's not prepared to take the shit he got on Saturday for trying to implement it.
I wouldn't blame him.
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Anyone else think we should have a go for Shelvey? Poor season at Swansea, clearly not happy, but would add a lot to our midfield IMO.
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I don't for one minute believe Garde took the job without promises of funds in January. A blind man could see this squad assembled wasn't good enough for this league and Garde is not stupid, he knows what is needed. All we know is that today is Jan 11th, we still haven't strengthened the squad and Fox and co have gone to America to speak to the chairman. Perhaps Garde has issued an ultimatum and I wouldn't blame him if he has because this club is an absolute clusterfuck staring relegation in the face.
3 or 4 decent players could kickstart our survival. I know it's a long shot but for Christ sake we can't give up in January. It would be a crime against the club and cowardly as well.
I'm sure there was a promise of funds. However I would also imagine there was an expectation from the board that we might have won a game by now and would not be 11 points out to sea. Garde's targets might be falling through or they might not be as willing to come for what they might have done had the situation been better. Like I said, whatever the reason for the trip ultimately none of it is good.
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I suspect,that Garde,without any hysterics,has suggested that the rebuild should commence, with immediate effect to shifting the loafers,court jesters and poor specimens of professional sportsmen that inhibit and spread their workshy loads across Bodymoor Heath.However,this is going to take more spondulies,pennies and sheer brazen effort that needs to be sold to the lerner family trust.Ultimately,Mr lerner ,despite his antagonism and detachness towards this team,is going to have to suck it up and have a big bite of this shit sandwich we see being dressed up in a cake box,presented with a huge bow on it.When we are on a level footing in terms of commitment,teamwork and spirit,we may start to see some planning for the summer.
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don't hold your breath. I have a horrible suspicion that things are going to get a lot worse before they begin to get better. You reap what you sow - and all we've planted for years is acres of shit.
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So we are 11 days into the window, 11 points adrift have 2 games coming up in 5 days, a possible but highly unlikely 6 points to be gained, no new signings and they decide a meeting in New York is required, so from that we can take it that no contingency plan was in place, no financial outlay agreed prior to January 1st.
No I don't believe that either, a phone call or one of the many wonderful ways of discussion we can now take place in over the wonderful world wide web, along the lines of Randy were fucked, we need to spend another 20 mill on top of the 100 grand you agreed, plus we have to pay the new signings more than Mc Donalds working wage or your investment which is going down in value quicker than a whores knickers and that will guarantee nothing.
Something smells of trouble and I would not be surprised if it was an ultimatum from Garde, so even thou I am not sure he is the guy for the job, do not be surprised if the game of managerial musical chairs is about to begin again.
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I just can't see why a crisis meeting about funds is needed unless Garde has said to them the playing staff is rotten you need to dig deep and let me sort it out or I am walking.
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The main point in all this is if there needs to be a face to face Lerner should be coming over here. Sorry but I believe the man to be a Muppet he hasn't got a clue he knows F/all about football and the people he appoints seem to know less than him.
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I reckon they are going over there to buy some lottery tickets to see if they can win $1.3B. Seems as plausible as every other plan they've had in past few years.
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Maybe Lerner has summoned Fox & Almstadt for them to explain what's going on.
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Why the fuck were they not out there a month a go, getting the budget set and finding players that could come last week??
Piss up. Brewery. Organise.
Sorry we have to fly to New York to discuss it. Use the fucking phone.
I assumed no action was taken because they'd accepted the inevitable, if that's not the case and they only think it's a crisis now then they truly are deluded.
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Got to be careful not to overeact with the sales, Yes, you can count on a leper's hand the players who have impressed this season, BUT a lot of these players will be useful next year once some confidence has returned. If they were that shit they wouldn't have survived in the premiership upto now. The main problem is we went into the season with an inexperienced and timid midfield and no striker worthy of the name. Apart from 4 or 5 of them, i think we have, with a few additions, a decent promotion challenging side. I just hope we don't compound the problem and sign a new team on a lidl budget. Rarely works.
A very good post unfortunately spoiled by the use of an inappropriate phrase.
To be fair he does claim to be a sick beggar.
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Got to be careful not to overeact with the sales, Yes, you can count on a leper's hand the players who have impressed this season, BUT a lot of these players will be useful next year once some confidence has returned. If they were that shit they wouldn't have survived in the premiership upto now. The main problem is we went into the season with an inexperienced and timid midfield and no striker worthy of the name. Apart from 4 or 5 of them, i think we have, with a few additions, a decent promotion challenging side. I just hope we don't compound the problem and sign a new team on a lidl budget. Rarely works.
A very good post unfortunately spoiled by the use of an inappropriate phrase.
To be fair he does claim to be a sick beggar.
I'm surprised he didn't say "Lepers have more balls than our current midfield".
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Anyone else think we should have a go for Shelvey? Poor season at Swansea, clearly not happy, but would add a lot to our midfield IMO.
Yep, he would improve us...and we are not going to be signing any world beaters.
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I just can't see why a crisis meeting about funds is needed unless Garde has said to them the playing staff is rotten you need to dig deep and let me sort it out or I am walking.
Have things got that bad, that they are already considering Garde's position? In the picture of him walking to the coach on Saturday, he looked like a beaten man.
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I get the feeling that Garde is angry with what is going on professionally from some of our players and when he see's the abuse going on, towards him too he's fucked off. I just think he wants to stay and start the rebuilding process though, it's just a lot of a bigger job than he expected and it needs to start sooner than he expected too.
Contracts being cancelled would be a decent way to start. Some of them are a complete embarrassment to us.
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Sorry AJ but they have had CNZ here for how long,given Gabby a contract for more years than he has scored goals for the last 3 seasons these guys do not work to a pattern or scope that has the word common sense or best for the club in their dictionary.
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We need real men in that team to shake the others up.Men that don@t spend half their time on twitter or Facebook Crouchy and Jonathan Walters are getable(if there is such a word)on loan. They are hardened pro's who know what is needed. Get that huge Polish reserve that Leicester played yesterday. We need a George Curtis type in the middle of our defence, that bloke will do. We also need a pacey winger who can cross a ball which might make Gestede useful.
But most of all we need a miracle and those are in short supply.
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If you're a player and Villa make contact early on in the window do you:
A) Move hell and high water to get that contract signed ASAP so you can start the job of saving Aston Villa.
B) Keep your options open for the month as a better offer may arise.
C) Treat the call like an offer to claim back PPI and ask them to remove your number from their datatbase.
D) Watch that video of the players getting on the bus and think why on earth would I want to represent those idiotic twats.
If you answered A you need better representation.
If you answered B, C or D congratulations your reputation will remain untarnished by the poisonous viper pit that is Villa Park.
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I could be wrong here, but seeing a few of the youngsters busting their gut for the shirt, no matter how limited they are, surely that would calm the unrest a little bit? Seeing Guzan, Richardson etc week in week out is not doing anyone any good.
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We need real men in that team to shake the others up.Men that don@t spend half their time on twitter or Facebook Crouchy and Jonathan Walters are getable(if there is such a word)on loan. They are hardened pro's who know what is needed. Get that huge Polish reserve that Leicester played yesterday. We need a George Curtis type in the middle of our defence, that bloke will do. We also need a pacey winger who can cross a ball which might make Gestede useful.
But most of all we need a miracle and those are in short supply.
We desperately need one, if not two of those types in midfield.
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If you're a player and Villa make contact early on in the window do you:
A) Move hell and high water to get that contract signed ASAP so you can start the job of saving Aston Villa.
B) Keep your options open for the month as a better offer may arise.
C) Treat the call like an offer to claim back PPI and ask them to remove your number from their datatbase.
D) Watch that video of the players getting on the bus and think why on earth would I want to represent those idiotic twats.
If you answered A you need better representation.
If you answered B, C or D congratulations your reputation will remain untarnished by the poisonous viper pit that is Villa Park.
With the above in mind I think Veretout and Ayew who could have signed for Leicester in the summer must be even more pissed off than we are.
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I get the feeling that Garde is angry with what is going on professionally from some of our players and when he see's the abuse going on, towards him too he's fucked off. I just think he wants to stay and start the rebuilding process though, it's just a lot of a bigger job than he expected and it needs to start sooner than he expected too.
Contracts being cancelled would be a decent way to start. Some of them are a complete embarrassment to us.
Contracts being cancelled is not going to help him pick up his first win though. Transfer cash might though and I'm sure that's what he wants first and foremost.
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Seems Debuchy will be confirmed this week, loan deal to end of the season.
He's better than what we have there but hasn't played a lot in last 18 months and was the regular RB when Newcastle finished 16th a few years back, we need much more.
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Perhaps the trip is to find out if Randy took the cheque book with him the last time he was over.
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Anyone else think we should have a go for Shelvey? Poor season at Swansea, clearly not happy, but would add a lot to our midfield IMO.
Was going to mention him yesterday actually, would certainly improve our midfield but think he'll get another premier league team.
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Debuchy did play holding midfield earlier in his career too.
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When we are down is James Morrison on a free worth a look? Consistent and better than our midfielders bar Veretout
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I get the feeling that Garde is angry with what is going on professionally from some of our players and when he see's the abuse going on, towards him too he's fucked off. I just think he wants to stay and start the rebuilding process though, it's just a lot of a bigger job than he expected and it needs to start sooner than he expected too.
Contracts being cancelled would be a decent way to start. Some of them are a complete embarrassment to us.
Contracts being cancelled is not going to help him pick up his first win though. Transfer cash might though and I'm sure that's what he wants first and foremost.
Contracts being cancelled and Remi getting his own players in would be the best situation. If they are buying from abroad again, getting them a few months experience over here now and getting some momentum going and turning around this appalling dressing room would be a decent January.
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Unless they're bringing Lampard and Pirlo back with them what's the point of going to NY when phones and Skype work so well these days?
They don't work in his castle he is cut off from the world as we know it and everything is rosy. Perhaps they are going to the christening of his new unicorn.
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Go to a few Swans games during the season have many Swans ST holders as mates.
They will bite Newcastle's hand off for £10m for him, and I'd also highlight Alan Curtis' recent comments regarding Shelvey.
Appears we already have enough problems in our squad, I wouldn't add another.
There's a video going around down here at the moment showing him seemingly giving up during the defeat to Oxford on Sunday. One to stay clear of in my view.
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I'd genuinely rather see Garde spend the january budget on cancelling contracts, rather than getting loans in who might be able to engineer a 19th place finish
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Richardson, Senderos, Nzogbia are all up at the end of the season anyway.
Guzan, Kozak, Bennett, Okore, Lescott and Hutton are out of contract next season. I'd be looking at selling Guzan, Lescott, Bennett and Kozak now if we are going to get any sort of fee for them rather than letting them tick down.
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I'd genuinely rather see Garde spend the january budget on cancelling contracts, rather than getting loans in who might be able to engineer a 19th place finish
I 'd better remember to bring my boots next time I come to VP in that case.
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Can't see anyone paying money for Guzan, he isn't likely to find a club in England again after this seasons showing. Maybe a US team will take him off us and cover the wages.
Hutton will be fine in the championship, I'd keep him. Richardson isn't going to attract a fee. I'd keep him next season as cover.
NZogbia looks like going, but we may have to pay him to leave.
The only players we have that look like they are attracting any interest that we would get a fee for, are Kozak, Abonlahor and Ayew (sadly). I can't believe Albion are stupid enough to buy Agbonlahor off us, but hopefully that will happen. I can see Lerner taking an offer for Ayew if one comes in.
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Seems Debuchy will be confirmed this week, loan deal to end of the season.
Source?
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No thanks.
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Can't see anyone paying money for Guzan, he isn't likely to find a club in England again after this seasons showing. Maybe a US team will take him off us and cover the wages.
Hutton will be fine in the championship, I'd keep him. Richardson isn't going to attract a fee. I'd keep him next season as cover.
NZogbia looks like going, but we may have to pay him to leave.
The only players we have that look like they are attracting any interest that we would get a fee for, are Kozak, Abonlahor and Ayew (sadly). I can't believe Albion are stupid enough to buy Agbonlahor off us, but hopefully that will happen. I can see Lerner taking an offer for Ayew if one comes in.
I'm sure a team in the US would take Guzan. Richardson and N'Zogbia are both out of contract in the summer and will be gone I would have thought. Not only do we need to plan for the Championship, but also when we hopefully come back up, so we need better than Hutton. He's just signed a new contract though.
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When we are down is James Morrison on a free worth a look? Consistent and better than our midfielders bar Veretout
Yes very much so, a player I've always rated and still a regular for them. Chris Brunt would be another I'd look at if his contract is running out.
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They've got three options really, if you exclude 'doing nothing'.
1) Go for short-term deals, hope the players who need to play to get selected for the Euros will take the platform we can offer them and that may improve us
2) Go big, Randy can party like it's 2010 and we spend big, big money to go for it. The QPR route with (ironically) Remy and Samba.
3) Start building for the Championship; clearing out players and looking at young and hungrier types. I.e. what Lambert did but ready for next year.
For me, we're too fucked for number 2. We're in the Premier League now so signing promising midtable Championship players is probably just gonna mean more expense and they'll get dragged down with the no-hopers in the squad and we'll end up wasting any fresh impetus they'll bring.
Number 1 is the most logical option. But noone is gonna sign for us on this sort of deal until the end of the window, so we risk getting to the last few days of January and losing out.
Doing nothing is also a possibility, but I assume it'll result in another managerial change. Personally I'd like Garde to have a real crack at changing it.
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Seems Debuchy will be confirmed this week, loan deal to end of the season.
Source?
I believe.....*from reading elsewhere*....it's a sentence or two in the Mirror article about the Lerner statement.
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Senderos, Richardson and CNZ out of contract this summer, no way would I want to offer Richardson a new one, even in the Championship. We have to be a little careful letting so many players go all at once as we don't have a big enough squad as it is. Getting out of the Championship with kids is not going to work either. If we let the likes of the three already named go, and also get Gabby, Kozak, Gardner and Guzan off the books, we need somewhere in the region of five players in to replace them. Some of those who are out of contract at the end of next season might not have too many offers to pick from either.
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When we are down is James Morrison on a free worth a look? Consistent and better than our midfielders bar Veretout
Yes very much so, a player I've always rated and still a regular for them. Chris Brunt would be another I'd look at if his contract is running out.
Well be bad not been offered a new deal there yet. Could be a useful one to help us back up.
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The end of Hutton. Thank the God's.
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Senderos, Richardson and CNZ out of contract this summer, no way would I want to offer Richardson a new one, even in the Championship. We have to be a little careful letting so many players go all at once as we don't have a big enough squad as it is. Getting out of the Championship with kids is not going to work either. If we let the likes of the three already named go, and also get Gabby, Kozak, Gardner and Guzan off the books, we need somewhere in the region of five players in to replace them. Some of those who are out of contract at the end of next season might not have too many offers to pick from either.
I think there needs to be a big turnover of players this summer. There's too much dross, too many that are happy just to show up and get paid. We pretty much need to start over and this summer is as good a time to do it as any. Get a good mixture of senior pro's who have been there and know what it takes but also still hungry but also a few promising young players and foreign talent who might need a bit of time but have a lot of potential e.g. Ayew, Veretout, the left back we signed etc.
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The end of Hutton. Thank the God's.
Still has 18 months on his deal.
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Hutton will give his all and do a job next season. Of that I am not worried too much.
But really there are 7-8 players in out team/ squad each week we need to cull and replace with better, even in the Championship.
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Senderos, Richardson and CNZ out of contract this summer, no way would I want to offer Richardson a new one, even in the Championship. We have to be a little careful letting so many players go all at once as we don't have a big enough squad as it is. Getting out of the Championship with kids is not going to work either. If we let the likes of the three already named go, and also get Gabby, Kozak, Gardner and Guzan off the books, we need somewhere in the region of five players in to replace them. Some of those who are out of contract at the end of next season might not have too many offers to pick from either.
I think there needs to be a big turnover of players this summer. There's too much dross, too many that are happy just to show up and get paid. We pretty much need to start over and this summer is as good a time to do it as any. Get a good mixture of senior pro's who have been there and know what it takes but also still hungry but also a few promising young players and foreign talent who might need a bit of time but have a lot of potential e.g. Ayew, Veretout, the left back we signed etc.
Which is why I worry the job could possibly be too big for the summer and our stay in the Championship might be longer than one season. I think we need to fill the gaps in the starting XI below for next season:
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? Okore Clark Amavi
Veretout ?
? Grealish / Gil Ayew
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So, I make that five new starters for the team required presuming all of the above stay. I suppose the likes of Hutton and Sinclair would be serviceable at that level, but I hope we move away from them. I'm not sure quite what Senderos has done wrong, but we need an experienced defender to cover Clark and Okore as well. As for the question marks, some names might be:
GK - Heaton - Burnley
RB - Byram - Leeds
CM - Jedinak - Palace
The winger and striker will probably have to come from abroad as we'd be paying big money for any domestic players in those positions.
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Hutton will give his all and do a job next season. Of that I am not worried too much.
But really there are 7-8 players in out team/ squad each week we need to cull and replace with better, even in the Championship.
What kind of job though Ozz? Consistently make defensive mistakes that cost goals and fail to beat the first man with a cross?
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Well still no one in , looks like the other clubs near bottom are not sitting around though Bournemouth , Norwich and Newcastle all spending big it seems .
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Surely Adama Traore fills that right side gap so 4 players to start. Aside from that I'm pretty happy with the quality of cover in a lot of the other positions so after those 4 you're only really looking at 2-3 more that are desperately needed, in my opinion. With the likes of Daniel Johnson and Jordan Graham looking very good at championship level (and previously Gardner and Whittingham) I really think we need to use this as a chance to let some of the youngsters have a shot.
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Surely Adama Traore fills that right side gap so 4 players to start. Aside from that I'm pretty happy with the quality of cover in a lot of the other positions so after those 4 you're only really looking at 2-3 more that are desperately needed, in my opinion. With the likes of Daniel Johnson and Jordan Graham looking very good at championship level (and previously Gardner and Whittingham) I really think we need to use this as a chance to let some of the youngsters have a shot.
I'm not sure about Traore, Paul. I don't know if his development would be better assisted by us loaning him abroad for a season with a view to taking him back if we go back up. I agree with you on the youngsters though. We should be looking at having 18 'senior' players and the rest of the squad made up from our younger players.
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with Adama I think it's going to be about the money as much as anything - could we afford to keep him on a basic of £45k a week if we go down, assuming we've not put in a relegation clause?
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Richardson, Senderos, Nzogbia are all up at the end of the season anyway.
Guzan, Kozak, Bennett, Okore, Lescott and Hutton are out of contract next season. I'd be looking at selling Guzan, Lescott, Bennett and Kozak now if we are going to get any sort of fee for them rather than letting them tick down.
I thought they gave Bennett a new contract before oaning him out like Baker, I may be wrong though.
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Ayew will be gone, he is already attracting interest in this window let alone when we get relegated and more than likely Gil will be off!
Veretout might go and Adama with his wages a distinct possibility.
It will be a totally different side in the championship to now, which may not be a bad thing, although we will still have the dregs, but it will entail a lot of ups and downs.
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Richardson, Senderos, Nzogbia are all up at the end of the season anyway.
Guzan, Kozak, Bennett, Okore, Lescott and Hutton are out of contract next season. I'd be looking at selling Guzan, Lescott, Bennett and Kozak now if we are going to get any sort of fee for them rather than letting them tick down.
I thought they gave Bennett a new contract before oaning him out like Baker, I may be wrong though.
Only a 1-year extension, expires next summer.
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Maybe I sound like an ignorant Premier League fan who's been spoiled for his entire lifetime, but with the clichéd extra yard of space in the Championship, Adama would surely excel?
I think the same of several of our players too: Okore, Veretout and Sinclair spring to mind. And as crap as he's been, Gestede's record at that level is half decent.
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Maybe I sound like an ignorant Premier League fan who's been spoiled for his entire lifetime, but with the clichéd extra yard of space in the Championship, Adama would surely excel?
I think the same of several of our players too: Okore, Veretout and Sinclair spring to mind. And as crap as he's been, Gestede's record at that level is half decent.
I wouldn't be relying on Sinclair and Gestede anywhere. They've both really only had an 18 month period of their career which was any good and aside from that the rest is shit.
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Ayew will be gone, he is already attracting interest in this window let alone when we get relegated
Is he?
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Cant we swap Nzogbia for Matty Phillips and give a few quid
Of course not . shame
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Matt Phillipsv would be a great signing. If Leicester don't want Nathan Dyer and Swansea don't either he would too.
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Anyone else think we should have a go for Shelvey? Poor season at Swansea, clearly not happy, but would add a lot to our midfield IMO.
talented player but with an appalling attitude
seems to be on the Agbonlahor diet this year too
team needs a new spine, some of the rest may improve if we got some leaders into the dressing room
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Bournemouth sign Grabban from Norwich. I wonder if Callum Wilson is going to be fit, and sold.
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I said we should be looking at Wilson this summer. Now they have Grabban for stood money even more so
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Wilson won't be back this season so Bournemouth just covering themselves, they've done very well to get the points they have with likes of Josh King upfront.
No chance they'll sell him imo....maybe Glenn Murray will be available though, he got 20 + in the championship a few seasons ago.
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Sunderland signing Dame N'Doye on loan. We could have done a lot worse, seemed to do well for Hull in the second half of last season.
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...maybe Glenn Murray will be available though, he got 20 + in the championship a few seasons ago.
A bit like someone we already have?
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...maybe Glenn Murray will be available though, he got 20 + in the championship a few seasons ago.
A bit like someone we already have?
At least Murray knows what those things at the end of his legs are used for.
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I would get in 4 or 5 quality players, bring in the kids and get rid most of first team.
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With Grabban and Afobe plus the money their owner has got I think they might sell. Murray will certainly be up for sale and is a decent pro too but is cracking on. Although strikers have proven that 32-33 is not past it in the Championship and he seems to have a good character.
The lad at Walsall and the kid at Bolton are both likely available quite cheaply in relative terms and seem to have something about them. Our forward line has been bereft of options for too long.
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With Grabban and Afobe plus the money their owner has got I think they might sell. Murray will certainly be up for sale and is a decent pro too but is cracking on. Although strikers have proven that 32-33 is not past it in the Championship and he seems to have a good character.
The lad at Walsall and the kid at Bolton are both likely available quite cheaply in relative terms and seem to have something about them. Our forward line has been bereft of options for too long.
We're okay. Luke Moore is back training at the club so we can draft him in if required.
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Makes me laugh when people say get rid of most of them, how exactly are we going to do that
We are bottom of the league if we don't want them why will anyone else bother to take them of our hands
we might get lucky with a couple of them , and could cancel the contracts of one or two who have six months to go, but we are going to have to find a way of getting more out of what we've got
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We need a decent defensive midfielder, one whose not tiny or can't pass. I haven't a Scooby who really plays in the Chmpionship though, I know Barton is doing well so he doesn't have to be a world beater, just not a complete limp lettuce.
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Makes me laugh when people say get rid of most of them, how exactly are we going to do that
We are bottom of the league if we don't want them why will anyone else bother to take them of our hands
we might get lucky with a couple of them , and could cancel the contracts of one or two who have six months to go, but we are going to have to find a way of getting more out of what we've got
I think the only option is blood doping on a massive scale, because conventional methods are insufficient.
We may as well, if they find out they'll relegate us but hey, and we may also get the bonus of our players being banned from playing football.
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Makes me laugh when people say get rid of most of them, how exactly are we going to do that
We are bottom of the league if we don't want them why will anyone else bother to take them of our hands
we might get lucky with a couple of them , and could cancel the contracts of one or two who have six months to go, but we are going to have to find a way of getting more out of what we've got
I think the only option is blood doping on a massive scale, because conventional methods are insufficient.
We may as well, if they find out they'll relegate us but hey, and we may also get the bonus of our players being banned from playing football.
It's a win win situation
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With Grabban and Afobe plus the money their owner has got I think they might sell. Murray will certainly be up for sale and is a decent pro too but is cracking on. Although strikers have proven that 32-33 is not past it in the Championship and he seems to have a good character.
The lad at Walsall and the kid at Bolton are both likely available quite cheaply in relative terms and seem to have something about them. Our forward line has been bereft of options for too long.
Which lad at Walsall? I saw them at Brentford on Saturday and their no. 10 looked relatively tasty at that level.
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Tom Bradshaw.
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Ah, not the fella I was thinking of.
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Bamford hardly got a game on loan Palace, but looked decent during his time in the Championship. I would try and get him on a season long loan next season if we are down there. Get his Grandad to chuck a few quid in as well.
Evening Mail has us preparing a loan bid for Inler from Leicester. Would be a good move as he is just the type we need. Strong midfielder who has been captain of a decent international side.
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Ayew will be gone, he is already attracting interest in this window let alone when we get relegated
Is he?
Can't remember where I read it about a week ago now (probably just paper talk) but it said that Spurs and two other PL clubs were interested.
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Still comes down to the problem that we're only going to attract loans, foreign players in smaller leagues, lost causes, older premier players on free's and middling championship players now. If you look to rebuild for the championship now, then any good player at that level currently is probably hoping to go up anyway, or will hope a premiership side will take a punt on him in the summer. Once the top clubs have took their pick on those they fancy, THEN we can at least offer them more wages and a bigger stage than most of the rest of championship
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Still comes down to the problem that we're only going to attract loans, foreign players in smaller leagues, lost causes, older premier players on free's and middling championship players now. If you look to rebuild for the championship now, then any good player at that level currently is probably hoping to go up anyway, or will hope a premiership side will take a punt on him in the summer. Once the top clubs have took their pick on those they fancy, THEN we can at least offer them more wages and a bigger stage than most of the rest of championship
I think a couple of loans is the best we can probably hope for in this window. I would be disappointed if we used one of them on a right-back though.
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BTSport on Twitter is saying Gabby is close to a move to Derby.
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Garde says he is having trouble getting new players in and says two have said that they would like to work with him but are waiting for other options. The only option I can see is to offer decent players mega bonuses if we stay up say a couple of million, if that doesn't get them I don't know what will.
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He can complete an ace attacking trio alongside Darren and Andi...how ironic if those three were in the PL next season.
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Garde says he is having trouble getting new players in and says two have said that they would like to work with him but are waiting for other options. The only option I can see is to offer decent players mega bonuses if we stay up say a couple of million, if that doesn't get them I don't know what will.
That and a minimum fee release clause if we do go down. Nothing much else we could offer.
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BTSport on Twitter is saying Gabby is close to a move to Derby.
The favoured retirement home.for former Villa strikers.
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BTSport on Twitter is saying Gabby is close to a move to Derby.
Wouldn't that be nice if it happened, is Bent still there? If so they would have Gabby, Weimann and Bent!
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Bent scored the winner for them the other day in the cup didn't he?
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BTSport on Twitter is saying Gabby is close to a move to Derby.
It's not on https://twitter.com/btsport or https://twitter.com/btsportfootball
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He can complete an ace attacking trio alongside Darren and Andi...how ironic if those three were in the PL next season.
It's a gift for Paul Clement. Last season he worked with Ronaldo, James and Benzema this season it's Bent, Weimann and Agbonlahor. How lucky is he?
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Talkshite this morning linked Villa, Derby and QPR with Tom Huddlestone, who is out of contract this summer.
I actually think he's the type of player we'll need in the Championship, as are Walters and Adam at Stoke (although I'm sure many will disagree).
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I hope we don't just look at assembling a squad that can get us promoted. That's a starting point but we also need to be thinking in terms of being a comfortable mid-table Premier League season in the first year back and laying the foundations for that. None of us will want us to be a yo-yo team.
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Surely to fuck we'll at least get a forward and a left-back, won't we?
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I hope we don't just look at assembling a squad that can get us promoted. That's a starting point but we also need to be thinking in terms of being a comfortable mid-table Premier League season in the first year back and laying the foundations for that. None of us will want us to be a yo-yo team.
Totally agree, though if we were promoted, we would have the summer to bring in some players.
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Surely to fuck we'll at least get a forward and a left-back, won't we?
This is Randy Lerners Aston Villa you are talking about...don't hold your breath.
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With Bennett and Cissokho back, surely a couple of midfielders that will run, tackle and pass forward to a team mate would be more use than a left back?
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With Bennett and Cissokho back, surely a couple of midfielders that will run, tackle and pass forward to a team mate would be more use than a left back?
I'd say a goalkeeper is absolutely vital.
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Yeah too true.
Newcastle are paying 12m for Shelvey. Fees have gone bloody mad. 7m for Grabban was bad enough.
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I would be looking for a strong experienced defensive midfield player that can galvanise the team and to potentially become captain.
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GK, DM and CF for me. If I was being greedy a good wide player too.
Would love to see CNZ, Gabby and Senderos out the door, all draining resources.
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Newcastle look like they're at least trying to stay up.
Get a move on Villa.
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BTSport on Twitter is saying Gabby is close to a move to Derby.
It's not on https://twitter.com/btsport or https://twitter.com/btsportfootball
It was last night/this morning. I can't see it now though, must have been taken down.
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I wonder if Victor Valdes might fancy five months of having lots of goalkeeping to do.
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I wonder if Victor Valdes might fancy five months of having lots of goalkeeping to do.
Good shout, that. It'll never happen.
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I wonder if Victor Valdes might fancy five months of having lots of goalkeeping to do.
From every trophy going to nowhere in 2 years. Must be worth the phone call.
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With Bennett and Cissokho back, surely a couple of midfielders that will run, tackle and pass forward to a team mate would be more use than a left back?
I'd say a goalkeeper is absolutely vital.
That's probably the one position I would look to fill with a permanent signing this window. Then loan a central midfielder and striker.
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With Bennett and Cissokho back, surely a couple of midfielders that will run, tackle and pass forward to a team mate would be more use than a left back?
Both those left backs are hopeless though
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So are all our midfielders bar Veretout and all our forwards bar Ayew. At least we have Amavi to come back there. In midfield, goalkeeper and attack we have bugger all. Trying to name a side on the pre match thread really hammers it home how poor the squad is now.
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Yep Newcastle appear to at least be trying to stay up.
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Did we put a buy back clause in Daniel Johnsons deal? 15 goals from midfield since he left us last January. Can we buy him back please for the Championship.
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Did we put a buy back clause in Daniel Johnsons deal? 15 goals from midfield since he left us last January. Can we buy him back please for the Championship.
You can guarantee we didn't put anything in.
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Did we put a buy back clause in Daniel Johnsons deal? 15 goals from midfield since he left us last January. Can we buy him back please for the Championship.
You can guarantee we didn't put anything in.
The next Gary Cahill/Marc Albrighton.
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Hi All
I take note of all your suggestions ie striker, keeper etc and agree with your comments but what we really need is a complete team of Premier League players. Richards outburst at the fans on Saturday was truthful "We're trying our best" but their best is a long way short of the standards required.
So today there's a Crisis Meeting in the States with Lerner this should have been held 4 years back, if funds are going to be made available who's going to select the players we need?
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Did we put a buy back clause in Daniel Johnsons deal? 15 goals from midfield since he left us last January. Can we buy him back please for the Championship.
You can guarantee we didn't put anything in.
The next Gary Cahill/Marc Albrighton.
Never understood why we moved him on. He always looked good on and off the ball and just lacked a little authority in the game...which comes with experience/age.
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Did we put a buy back clause in Daniel Johnsons deal? 15 goals from midfield since he left us last January. Can we buy him back please for the Championship.
You can guarantee we didn't put anything in.
The next Gary Cahill/Marc Albrighton.
Never understood why we moved him on. He always looked good on and off the ball and just lacked a little authority in the game...which comes with experience/age.
One of the coaches told me it was his attitude, just too laid back and nonchalant.
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Right I'll keep this brief. I'd like:
Lescott
A new keeper
Charlie Austin
Please.
smacks as a MON type of plan ...aged or plain expensive signings with not great talent
Agreed, we don't have the midfield capable of playing with two up top so pointless getting in Austin. Are people forgetting that we spent 20m on Gestede and Ayew already this summer, are we already giving up on both of them?
Lescott is no better than Clark imo either. To be fair Sherwood's doubts re Guzan are proving justified already. He spreads panic in the back four when the ball is at his feet. Don't think his shot stopping ability is all that either, both goals yesterday could have been saved imo with better positioning from Guzan. Dann's header was very central
What we need is to play a formation that gets the most out of our players, that should be 4231. We need to get pacy players around Gestede so would go with Traore and Sinclair from the start against Sunderland
----------------Guzan
Hutton, Richards, Clark Amavi
-------Sanchez, Westie/Gueye
Traore, Grealish, Sinclair
--------------Gestede
Gil, Ayew, Veretout in reserve and to be introduced early in the front four aren't doing it. Gabby and Bacuna should be dropped from the squad after their efforts yesterday
A cheeky loan bid for Victor Valdes anyone?
This is when we should have gone for Valdes
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Hi All
I take note of all your suggestions ie striker, keeper etc and agree with your comments but what we really need is a complete team of Premier League players. Richards outburst at the fans on Saturday was truthful "We're trying our best" but their best is a long way short of the standards required.
So today there's a Crisis Meeting in the States with Lerner this should have been held 4 years back, if funds are going to be made available who's going to select the players we need?
Disagree, everything now points to them not trying 100%. The manager has come out and said it to everyones face that the effort isn't there and the stats back it up that we work the least in the division. The players are mugging us all off at the moment and have been for months.
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Talkshite this morning linked Villa, Derby and QPR with Tom Huddlestone, who is out of contract this summer.
I actually think he's the type of player we'll need in the Championship, as are Walters and Adam at Stoke (although I'm sure many will disagree).
I would agree with all three
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I would not touch any player that has been at one of the so called 'top' clubs. Most come with an over inflated opinion of themselves.
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Hi All
I take note of all your suggestions ie striker, keeper etc and agree with your comments but what we really need is a complete team of Premier League players. Richards outburst at the fans on Saturday was truthful "We're trying our best" but their best is a long way short of the standards required.
So today there's a Crisis Meeting in the States with Lerner this should have been held 4 years back, if funds are going to be made available who's going to select the players we need?
Disagree, everything now points to them not trying 100%. The manager has come out and said it to everyones face that the effort isn't there and the stats back it up that we work the least in the division. The players are mugging us all off at the moment and have been for months.
This. I was shocked by some of the lazy performances on Saturday. Especially Gueye and Westwood strolling around the pitch and their loose passes and being second to every ball.
When Kmac took over after Sherwood's departure I heard that many of the french players could barely be arsed to train.
You can forgive a lack of quality but never a lack of effort.
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If you thought being lumbered with Gabby & Gestede was punishment enough. Someone's just told me we're looking at Nicolas Bendtner!
I'm not sure who we've pissed off to deserve all this (if true)
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The Lord Bendtner is far too good for us and only just missed out on the Ballon D'Or.
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Did we put a buy back clause in Daniel Johnsons deal? 15 goals from midfield since he left us last January. Can we buy him back please for the Championship.
You can guarantee we didn't put anything in.
The next Gary Cahill/Marc Albrighton.
Never understood why we moved him on. He always looked good on and off the ball and just lacked a little authority in the game...which comes with experience/age.
One of the coaches told me it was his attitude, just too laid back and nonchalant.
Who, Gaz or Marc ?
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Walters, as mentioned above, would be a good signing for the Championship. I also think we should be going after Darron Gibson from Everton now, only has 6 months left on his contract, rumoured to be available. Good player for next season and would also be better than most of our current midfielders for the latter part of this one.
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Talkshite this morning linked Villa, Derby and QPR with Tom Huddlestone, who is out of contract this summer.
I actually think he's the type of player we'll need in the Championship, as are Walters and Adam at Stoke (although I'm sure many will disagree).
I would agree with all three
I would argue if we sign those three we will end up saddled with older players are relatively high wages who won't cut it if we get back up. If we go down I think we need to look to the best young players in the Championship and build from there.
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I worry about the fitness of Gibson
The issue with Huddlestone is him covering the ground. If we don't work hard enough now, he is unlikely to improve us!
Walters I would take.
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Ayala and Clayton from Middlesbrough, granted they're going up but even at our worst and them at their best were still a much bigger draw, Hughes from Derby, Armstrong from Newcastle.... 4 players who would instantly improve our first team in yhe championship and be ready for the premier league if we go up, I'd take Walters though for a couple of seasons too.
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We aren't going to get many players who are regulars for the top champion ship clubs, next year we will be paying championship money, they'd be better off staying put. They might get PL money next year.
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May as well lock this...no one's coming
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Ayala and Clayton from Middlesbrough, granted they're going up but even at our worst and them at their best were still a much bigger draw, Hughes from Derby, Armstrong from Newcastle.... 4 players who would instantly improve our first team in yhe championship and be ready for the premier league if we go up, I'd take Walters though for a couple of seasons too.
So you want two players who are about to go up to the prem to join us to go to the championship?
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Ayala and Clayton from Middlesbrough, granted they're going up but even at our worst and them at their best were still a much bigger draw, Hughes from Derby, Armstrong from Newcastle.... 4 players who would instantly improve our first team in yhe championship and be ready for the premier league if we go up, I'd take Walters though for a couple of seasons too.
So you want two players who are about to go up to the prem to join us to go to the championship?
I know, crazy!
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Just to back Luke up, when teams get promoted they generally lose one or two players.
Pick the best of these players up.
Derby have Bryson, Kendrick, Keogh for instance that would automatically improve us in Championship.
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It's the Peter Principle innit - players get the team promoted and are then not good enough to play in the level they've been promoted to.
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It's the Peter Principle innit - players get the team promoted and are then not good enough to play in the level they've been promoted to.
Yup - apart from their strikers and goalkeeper, Watford bought pretty much an entire new team over the summer.
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This is something that's been bugging me, namely the 'buy for next season' argument that seems to be thr favoured approach among many fans. What's the point in trying to buy players to win the Championship who won't be good enough in the Premier League this season? Surely if they're good enough to be in the top division the season after next, they'll be decent enough to give survival a go now?
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People want us to go out and by Sam Byram, Patrick Bamford on loan, ready for next season.
If you added the likes of Jordan Cousins, Jake Bissell next season we'd have a fighting chance.
We all agree that this squad of chancers ain't getting us out The Championship.
Typical player too good for Championship, not good enough for Premier is Liam Bridcutt.
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People want us to go out and by Sam Byram, Patrick Bamford on loan, ready for next season.
If you added the likes of Jordan Cousins, Jake Bissell next season we'd have a fighting chance.
We all agree that this squad of chancers ain't getting us out The Championship.
Typical player too good for Championship, not good enough for Premier is Liam Bridcutt.
Or say, Rudy Gestede. Or Ciaran Clark. Or Alan Hutton. Or Scott Sinclair.
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Well, it's now the 12th and we have sold (?) Cole to Cov, and done fuck all else. Exactly when does the transfer window close?
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People want us to go out and by Sam Byram, Patrick Bamford on loan, ready for next season.
If you added the likes of Jordan Cousins, Jake Bissell next season we'd have a fighting chance.
We all agree that this squad of chancers ain't getting us out The Championship.
Typical player too good for Championship, not good enough for Premier is Liam Bridcutt.
Or say, Rudy Gestede. Or Ciaran Clark. Or Alan Hutton. Or Scott Sinclair.
I can see Sinclair scoring alot of goals in the championship.
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People want us to go out and by Sam Byram, Patrick Bamford on loan, ready for next season.
If you added the likes of Jordan Cousins, Jake Bissell next season we'd have a fighting chance.
We all agree that this squad of chancers ain't getting us out The Championship.
Typical player too good for Championship, not good enough for Premier is Liam Bridcutt.
Or say, Rudy Gestede. Or Ciaran Clark. Or Alan Hutton. Or Scott Sinclair.
I can see Sinclair scoring alot of goals in the championship.
For who?
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People want us to go out and by Sam Byram, Patrick Bamford on loan, ready for next season.
If you added the likes of Jordan Cousins, Jake Bissell next season we'd have a fighting chance.
We all agree that this squad of chancers ain't getting us out The Championship.
Typical player too good for Championship, not good enough for Premier is Liam Bridcutt.
Or say, Rudy Gestede. Or Ciaran Clark. Or Alan Hutton. Or Scott Sinclair.
I can see Sinclair scoring alot of goals in the championship.
Sinclair has no desire really does he, football was just a means to a goal of making money and now he has some he doesn't look like he's that interested. Not the kind of player we want in a fight, which next season it will be.
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People want us to go out and by Sam Byram, Patrick Bamford on loan, ready for next season.
If you added the likes of Jordan Cousins, Jake Bissell next season we'd have a fighting chance.
We all agree that this squad of chancers ain't getting us out The Championship.
Typical player too good for Championship, not good enough for Premier is Liam Bridcutt.
Or say, Rudy Gestede. Or Ciaran Clark. Or Alan Hutton. Or Scott Sinclair.
I can see Sinclair scoring alot of goals in the championship.
Sinclair has no desire really does he, football was just a means to a goal of making money and now he has some he doesn't look like he's that interested. Not the kind of player we want in a fight, which next season it will be.
He strikes me as a player like David Bentley.
He's also one of those players who seems to be more interested in getting a perfect haircut than perfecting his game.
Fuck him off in the summer. He's a shyster.
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I think the exact opposite, he tries to hard alot of the time.
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People want us to go out and by Sam Byram, Patrick Bamford on loan, ready for next season.
If you added the likes of Jordan Cousins, Jake Bissell next season we'd have a fighting chance.
We all agree that this squad of chancers ain't getting us out The Championship.
Typical player too good for Championship, not good enough for Premier is Liam Bridcutt.
Or say, Rudy Gestede. Or Ciaran Clark. Or Alan Hutton. Or Scott Sinclair.
I can see Sinclair scoring alot of goals in the championship.
Sinclair has no desire really does he, football was just a means to a goal of making money and now he has some he doesn't look like he's that interested. Not the kind of player we want in a fight, which next season it will be.
He strikes me as a player like David Bentley.
He's also one of those players who seems to be more interested in getting a perfect haircut than perfecting his game.
Fuck him off in the summer. He's a shyster.
Yep, complete lifestyle player. On his phone as soon as games are finished. Pretends to be a footballer, contributes barely anything in games we might as well toss a traffic cone on to the pitch and see what happens.
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I would not touch any player that has been at one of the so called 'top' clubs. Most come with an over inflated opinion of themselves.
I'd still take a chance with Aguero though
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Aguero is to small
He won't be any good
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Scouted Lars Reader again at the weekend according to reports in Portugal. Massive 22 year old German keeper. I am all for it on account of him being 1. Massive and 2. German. Both ideal qualities for a keeper.
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It's the Peter Principle innit - players get the team promoted and are then not good enough to play in the level they've been promoted to.
Yup - apart from their strikers and goalkeeper, Watford bought pretty much an entire new team over the summer.
What about Norwich and Bournemouth (not checked, just curious if Peter's theory stacks up with them)?
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Bournemouth signed very few, and those they did got injured.
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I have thought Reader was a Reading player.
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117 pages - how many signings.....?
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BTSport on Twitter is saying Gabby is close to a move to Derby.
It's not on https://twitter.com/btsport or https://twitter.com/btsportfootball
It was last night/this morning. I can't see it now though, must have been taken down.
There is an authentic looking fake account for BT Sport that has been tweeting crap about Villa recently. BT SPORT HD or something. Might have been that one.
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Scouted Lars Reader again at the weekend according to reports in Portugal. Massive 22 year old German keeper. I am all for it on account of him being 1. Massive and 2. German. Both ideal qualities for a keeper.
And 3, he's not Brad Guzan
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Ayala and Clayton from Middlesbrough, granted they're going up but even at our worst and them at their best were still a much bigger draw, Hughes from Derby, Armstrong from Newcastle.... 4 players who would instantly improve our first team in yhe championship and be ready for the premier league if we go up, I'd take Walters though for a couple of seasons too.
Walters is a great pro and a leader, gives it 100% every time.
But he is signed up with Stoke til 2018, he wont want to drop down - http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/jonathan-walters-signs-new-stoke-contract-tying-him-to-club-until-summer-of-2018-34178939.html
not sure how accurate the list below is but we should be targeting players out of contract in 2016/17 with promotion bonuses - http://www.transfermarkt.com/premier-league/endendevertraege/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/?jahr=2016
Leon Osman would be a very solid character for us, Jedinak, Wilson, Flamini, Gibson, Fletcher, Gayle, Crouch all should be well gettable at reasonable prices. Best signing in the summer would be to bring Gareth Barry back as captain but that is quite unlikely
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Osman is a good shout. Would work very hard. I could see him being useful. Dwight Gayle is a good player and would score goals at that level. Crouch too. Jedinak is ideal to come is as captain. Takes no crap.
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Osman is a good shout. Would work very hard. I could see him being useful. Dwight Gayle is a good player and would score goals at that level. Crouch too. Jedinak is ideal to come is as captain. Takes no crap.
He is a good shout.
I almost choked at the suggestion of Walters but then thought about it and what he does give you every single game, whether he plays wide or plays up front is a fucking good shift of work. On that basis I think and with his experience and engine, I think he'd be good for us in the Championship and at the level might also grab you 10 goals in the process.
Crouch has a good year or two left in him too. He'd be a good focal point and he's likeable.
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Scouted Lars Reader again at the weekend according to reports in Portugal. Massive 22 year old German keeper. I am all for it on account of him being 1. Massive and 2. German. Both ideal qualities for a keeper.
And 3, he's not Brad Guzan
The third one is the only reason needed
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Might be getting a bit carried away after tonight, but I would be on the phone to Liverpool first thing tomorrow to see about the possibility of taking Benteke back until the end of the season. Might be just a pipe dream, but Villa Park would be bouncing on Saturday if he came back.
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Bunn looked quite small tonight. I like a beast in goal.
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Bunn looked quite small tonight. I like a beast in goal.
Brian Jensen's still playing I think......;)
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Beg Stoke for Crouch and sign Inler from Leicester after Saturday's game to replace Westwood. Keep the same fight as tonight and who knows.
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£12 million shelvey to Newcastle I wonder if he was one who didn't want to come .
I think the final few days could see activity maybe a Remy or inler if other options aren't available to them and our form continues
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Win on Saturday against Leicester and 2-3 who thought it was a lost cause might be interested you never know. Both are long shots!
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Inler was supposed to have played very well for Leicester last weekend at Spurs in the cup. Unless they have someone else lined up I cant see them releasing him. He was a fantastic midfielder for years with Napoli and Switzerland.
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Beg Stoke for Crouch and sign Inler from Leicester after Saturday's game to replace Westwood. Keep the same fight as tonight and who knows.
We're Aston Villa. We don't beg.
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Might be getting a bit carried away after tonight, but I would be on the phone to Liverpool first thing tomorrow to see about the possibility of taking Benteke back until the end of the season. Might be just a pipe dream, but Villa Park would be bouncing on Saturday if he came back.
I posted something like that a few weeks back and have mentioned it more than once to my son. Klopp doesn't seem to be his biggest fan so it is worth a phone call.
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Might be getting a bit carried away after tonight, but I would be on the phone to Liverpool first thing tomorrow to see about the possibility of taking Benteke back until the end of the season. Might be just a pipe dream, but Villa Park would be bouncing on Saturday if he came back.
I posted something like that a few weeks back and have mentioned it more than once to my son. Klopp doesn't seem to be his biggest fan so it is worth a phone call.
Benteke and Ayew up front - stop it!!
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We need to forget about Benteke, he's not coming back. Besides, he's the only fit striker they've got.
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We need to forget about Benteke, he's not coming back. Besides, he's the only fit striker they've got.
The new MIlner?
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We need to forget about Benteke, he's not coming back. Besides, he's the only fit striker they've got.
They'll surely buy one in the window. Obviously long term, he's not an option, but there might be a unique opportunity in this short window? He'll want to be playing with the Euros ahead and at least knows the surroundings and a lot of the players at Villa Park. I think he'll be gone from Liverpool in the summer, so might fancy a couple of months banging in the goals to get himself in the headlines again.
I might be being very naive and idealistic, but I would also like to think he would want to help out the club that gave him his big break in the game.
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so would I but I can't see it happening
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Benteke, is not comming back-Let it Go
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Benteke, is not comming back-Let it Go
Absolutely. It's up there with the more pie-in-the-sky hopeful ideas. Let's focus on more realistic targets who can improve us.
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Interesting that Pardew thought that it would be shame that the premier League would lose a club with the stature of the Villa.Tie that in with the comments elsewhere that the Football league leaned on clubs to help Manure during their time of need perhaps we should be viewed in a similar light. Benteke from Liverpool is my starter for 10
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Bunn looked quite small tonight. I like a beast in goal.
He'd have been able to gather Lescott's header because he's closer to the ground than Hennessey.
However, in general, I'm with you on preferring the keeper to be physically imposing
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Bunn looked quite small tonight. I like a beast in goal.
22 stone/ 6ft 4in big enough for you ?.......................Godzvilla!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Foulke_(footballer)
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Bunn looked quite small tonight. I like a beast in goal.
How about...
(http://images.supersport.com/2011/Neville-Southall-110912-HandlesBall-R300.jpg)
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What a guy. Get him resurrected. Waddled off if his defenders were not trying hard enough has to be the best thing to see in a game.
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Interesting that Pardew thought that it would be shame that the premier League would lose a club with the stature of the Villa.Tie that in with the comments elsewhere that the Football league leaned on clubs to help Manure during their time of need perhaps we should be viewed in a similar light. Benteke from Liverpool is my starter for 10
I'm disappointed that Cameron hasn't passed a law making scoring against The Villa illegal and that the future king hasn't ordered all other clubs give us 3 points each as some kind of new King-likes-it-that-way tax for the privilege of playing against AVFC.
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Neville Southall was a great keeper.
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One of my non-Villa idols when I was a kid.
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Tie that in with the comments elsewhere that the Football league leaned on clubs to help Manure during their time of need perhaps we should be viewed in a similar light.
When was that?
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Neville Southall was a great keeper.
He most certainly was.
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Tie that in with the comments elsewhere that the Football league leaned on clubs to help Manure during their time of need perhaps we should be viewed in a similar light.
When was that?
1958?
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One of my non-Villa idols when I was a kid.
I wanted to be a keeper as a kid. Always wanted keeper stuff, gloves, shirts the lot. I was always too small in height, which I have now more than made up for in width, but Southall was one of my favourite non Villa. Bosnich too over as my favourite keeper after that, then I went off the keeper idea when I realised I was never going to reach beast like size. Keepers must be beasts.
Linked with some Ivorian centre half today. Interesting in the articles on him, the way Sunderland messed him about in extreme circumstances could result in a points deduction. Bit extreme.
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One of my non-Villa idols when I was a kid.
I used to really like that Everton team.
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Neville Southall was a great keeper.
He most certainly was.
Agreed. He was a great goalkeeper.
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http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/aston-villa-are-in-advanced-negotiations-for-the-loan-of-lamine-sane/
How many captains do Bordeaux have?? I thought Newcastle had just signed their current one...?
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Bunn looked quite small tonight. I like a beast in goal.
How about...
(http://images.supersport.com/2011/Neville-Southall-110912-HandlesBall-R300.jpg)
And he never drank either, imagine how big he'd be if he had done.
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He looks like he's been drinking liquidised sausage rolls
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http://www.getfootballnewsfrance.com/2016/aston-villa-are-in-advanced-negotiations-for-the-loan-of-lamine-sane/
How many captains do Bordeaux have?? I thought Newcastle had just signed their current one...?
Does it say he's their captain in that article? What position does he play?
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Sane is a centre half. Bit of a beast.
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Sane is a centre half. Bit of a beast.
Ta.
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Scouted Lars Reader again at the weekend according to reports in Portugal. Massive 22 year old German keeper. I am all for it on account of him being 1. Massive and 2. German. Both ideal qualities for a keeper.
Are there any internet stories on this, or information on the player generally? I can't find anything having searched quickly. Is that how you spell his name?
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One of my non-Villa idols when I was a kid.
I used to really like that Everton team.
I especially liked them when they wore that tin foil looking kit and got battered 6-2 at our place.
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Lukas Raeder might be his name. My phone auto correct may well have kicked in.
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One of my non-Villa idols when I was a kid.
I used to really like that Everton team.
I especially liked them when they wore that tin foil looking kit and got battered 6-2 at our place.
One of my favourite early football memories.
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Story on Lamine Sane in The Express:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/634279/Aston-Villa-Remi-Garde-Lamine-Sane-international-defender-Premier-League-transfer-news
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saw a clip earlier of the championship goals last night, some of the goalkeeping on display was truly abysmal.
Irrespective of what division we are in, Guzan and Bunn cannot continue for much longer as our only two choices
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Sane is a centre half. Bit of a beast.
Are we going to get in-Sane? That's just madness.
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He can play holding midfield comfortably too apparently. Would be useful and had the right credentials.
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Neville Southall was a great keeper.
He most certainly was.
Agreed. He was a great goalkeeper.
Yep, brilliant keeper. Similar to some of the other good keepers in his era that he was not brilliant with his feet, but wasn't required to be so with backpasses allowed.
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Talking of Bosnich (as he was mentioned earlier), it's his birthday today apparently. He is still on 44, which is remarkable. He was pretty much done by the age of 27/28 and he was only 22 when he was at his very best for us. Bit of a waste of some seriously prodigious talent, really.
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Story on Lamine Sane in The Express:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/634279/Aston-Villa-Remi-Garde-Lamine-Sane-international-defender-Premier-League-transfer-news
We'll love Lamine Sane
Watching him dash away with the ball
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Neville Southall was a great keeper.
He most certainly was.
Agreed. He was a great goalkeeper.
fantastic keeper,
we've had some great keepers down the Villa in my time (the last 40 odd years)
but if I had to put someone in nets from all time and my life depended on it,
it would be Pat Jennings
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Story on Lamine Sane in The Express:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/634279/Aston-Villa-Remi-Garde-Lamine-Sane-international-defender-Premier-League-transfer-news
We'll love Lamine Sane
Watching him dash away with the ball
Hope it doesn't end will millions weeping a fountain.
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Tie that in with the comments elsewhere that the Football league leaned on clubs to help Manure during their time of need perhaps we should be viewed in a similar light.
When was that?
First season of the Premier League.
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Is it right that there was a conspiracy to stop Arsenal being relegated a century or so ago?
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Yes. That is why Reverend Bone was put on the board. Get God on their side. Seems to have worked.
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Is it right that there was a conspiracy to stop Arsenal being relegated a century or so ago?
I think they got promoted after finishing fifth in the second division, instead of Tottenham who finished first. Something to do with what the chairman did in The Great War.*
*This is a vague recollection of what an old London Mod Spurs fan told me about thirty years ago in a club.
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If I were Villa I would try to get Benteke on loan with a clause that if we stay up we will give them the full £32.5m back
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Is it right that there was a conspiracy to stop Arsenal being relegated a century or so ago?
I think they got promoted after finishing fifth in the second division, instead of Tottenham who finished first. Something to do with what the chairman did in The Great War.*
*This is a vague recollection of what an old London Mod Spurs fan told me about thirty years ago in a club.
More or less true, friends in the Foreign Office and all that.
It means all of their subsequent achievements are rendered invalid, and we've won the league 9 times.
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There's one problem with that, there's not a chance Benteke would go for it.
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as it might make him lose face and the chance to move to another big club in future. But it depends on how much he really want to play for Belgium in Euro 2016
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On the subject of Benteke, in the course of my work today I met a Liverpool fan. He had been forewarned of my alliegencies and launched into a minutes long rant about how bad Benteke is. I mean the sort of self righteous sanctimonious outpouring only scousers come out with. Imagine what we have been saying about Gestede and multiply that by a factor of three and that was the level of his bile.
Because the Liverpool fans have this self annointed take on themselves, the view of Benteke is not going to change and he will be gone by summer if not before.
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How's Benteke's agent working that angle? Must be shit when he's not manufacturing a move for his client and he doesn't have the upper hand. Still it was a nice project.
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Tie that in with the comments elsewhere that the Football league leaned on clubs to help Manure during their time of need perhaps we should be viewed in a similar light.
When was that?
1958?
I'd assume so - when Villa's Stan Crowther made history
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And Blackpool's Ernie Taylor. Cup tied players rules were suspended for Man U.
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Tie that in with the comments elsewhere that the Football league leaned on clubs to help Manure during their time of need perhaps we should be viewed in a similar light.
When was that?
1958?
I'd assume so - when Villa's Stan Crowther made history
A lot of clubs came to the aid of Man Utd after the Munich disaster, in the form of lending players to them so they could fulfil there fixtures
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Is it right that there was a conspiracy to stop Arsenal being relegated a century or so ago?
Yes, look up Henry Norris.
Norris's most infamous contribution to Arsenal's history was his role in the club's promotion from the Second Division to the First in 1919. Arsenal were elected to the top flight in spite of only finishing fifth the previous season (1914-15, as competition had been suspended for most of World War I). This promotion came at the expense of other clubs, most notably Arsenal's arch-rivals Tottenham Hotspur. It has been alleged that Norris bribed or in some way unduly influenced the voting members of the Football League, in particular the league chairman and owner of Liverpool, John McKenna;[8][9] at the League's AGM, McKenna made a speech recommending Arsenal's promotional ahead of Spurs thanks to the former's longer spell in the League (Arsenal joined in 1893, Spurs in 1908. Although Preston North End & Wolves, who both finished ahead of Arsenal, had been members of the league longer than Arsenal, Wolves since its inception in 1888.[8] Although no firm proof has ever been offered, Norris's other activities, including the scandal that led to his downfall, are often cited as circumstantial evidence.
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Swansea want Sinclair for £2 million apparently. What did we pay? Surely he is worth 4-5m in a world where a 28 year old Grabban is worth 7m?!??!
Anyhow, unless they are giving us Montero in a straight swap, they can do one. Sinclair has been poor and anonymous but there is no point selling a player to a rival that might benefit, or indeed that would do well for us when we go down.
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Can't stand Sinclair, he'd be first out of the door in the summer for me.
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He works the line well , there are more worthy candidates for derision.
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He works the line well , there are more worthy candidates for derision.
I think the only time Sinclair works the line well is when he's running up and down it as a sub. In all fairness, I don't think he is a central striker and he is more suited to playing out wide. I would listen to any offers put in for him though.
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Can't stand Sinclair, he'd be first out of the door in the summer for me.
he wouldn't be the first but he'd be out the door for me
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Is it right that there was a conspiracy to stop Arsenal being relegated a century or so ago?
Yes, look up Henry Norris.
Norris's most infamous contribution to Arsenal's history was his role in the club's promotion from the Second Division to the First in 1919. Arsenal were elected to the top flight in spite of only finishing fifth the previous season (1914-15, as competition had been suspended for most of World War I). This promotion came at the expense of other clubs, most notably Arsenal's arch-rivals Tottenham Hotspur. It has been alleged that Norris bribed or in some way unduly influenced the voting members of the Football League, in particular the league chairman and owner of Liverpool, John McKenna;[8][9] at the League's AGM, McKenna made a speech recommending Arsenal's promotional ahead of Spurs thanks to the former's longer spell in the League (Arsenal joined in 1893, Spurs in 1908. Although Preston North End & Wolves, who both finished ahead of Arsenal, had been members of the league longer than Arsenal, Wolves since its inception in 1888.[8] Although no firm proof has ever been offered, Norris's other activities, including the scandal that led to his downfall, are often cited as circumstantial evidence.
Good research there, and provides an extra reason to hate both Arsenal AND Liverpool. Excellent stuff.
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If we can push Swansea up to £3m I'd be selling him like a shot, a lifestyle player and I can't imagine him being much in the dressing room. Get him out, wages off the bill and someone else in.
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I wouldn't sell any of our players to a relegation rival. Don't care how shit he is for us, but if we're gonna sell him sell him when the season finishes and not now.
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I'd enquire if they fancy another goalkeeper as well.
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Sinclair is a strange one, there's times he looks gash but he has scored 9 in in 31 games for us, 23 starts. Which isn't bad at all for a player that isn't a striker.
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Mainly in cups though isn't it?
He is a strange one. In a formation like last night in the wider role off Kozak he should thrive but he very rarely runs at players and gives the ball away a lot. Frustrating player. Wages might be an issue if we go down, but sell in the summer if that is the case.
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Think he'll be useful enough in the Championship, especially if we're going to struggle with signing a decent striker. I suppose if Swansea can offer 5 million or so, may as well take him and clear his wages off though.
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I wouldn't sell any of our players to a relegation rival. Don't care how shit he is for us, but if we're gonna sell him sell him when the season finishes and not now.
I'd quite happily sell eight of our first team to any of our rivals. Bulk buy only.
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I wouldn't sell Sinclair unless we're definitely sure we can get a replacement.
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
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Sinclair's goal against Forest in the pre season was one of the best of our season so far and there have been some crackers. That Forest goal was made particularly exquisite by Vertout gliding to the by line then pin pointing Sinclair as he rushed in to bury his shot. Probably means Sinclair is better against weaker opposition but it was a great goal.
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Story on Lamine Sane in The Express:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/634279/Aston-Villa-Remi-Garde-Lamine-Sane-international-defender-Premier-League-transfer-news
Permission now given foe him to come for a medical, looks like it's on
We'll love Lamine Sane
Watching him dash away with the ball
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
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I wouldn't sell any of our players to a relegation rival. Don't care how shit he is for us, but if we're gonna sell him sell him when the season finishes and not now.
I agree, neither would I although Swansea have just sold their best midfielder to a relegation rival. As for Sinclair, he's lost a bit of form recently but for the money we paid, I think he's been ok.
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Wasn't Garde a pundit on French TV covering the English PL? I'm sure he knows who Crouch and Walters are.
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
There a lot of ex pats I know in Portugal who watch the Premiership via the internet.
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
There a lot of ex pats I know in Portugal who watch the Premiership via the internet.
A Swedish friend in Australia watches more live english football than I do
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
Yes a football manager will have no idea who two international footballers are. None at all. Astounding.
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
There a lot of ex pats I know in Portugal who watch the Premiership via the internet.
I live in Malta and watch every Villa game, home or away on the telly or down the pub. They have 7 sports channels and each one is dedicated to a different match on a Saturday.
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
That is either a very sarcastic or a very stupid comment.
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Story on Lamine Sane in The Express:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/634279/Aston-Villa-Remi-Garde-Lamine-Sane-international-defender-Premier-League-transfer-news
We'll love Lamine Sane
Watching him dash away with the ball
Permission now given foe him to come for a medical, looks like it's on
I'll get there early for the Leicester game so that I can watch him Drive-In Saturday
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Wasn't Garde a pundit on French TV covering the English PL? I'm sure he knows who Crouch and Walters are.
I've thought for a while that Walters would be good for us. He looks to give his all in every game.
On top of that he had a big bust up and told Roy Keane to ***k **f which is never a bad thing.
With his wages and the Euro's this year doubt he'd come though. Good player though.
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
There a lot of ex pats I know in Portugal who watch the Premiership via the internet.
I live in Malta and watch every Villa game, home or away on the telly or down the pub. They have 7 sports channels and each one is dedicated to a different match on a Saturday.
Yes, yes, that's all well and good, but I bet you've never heard of Crouch or Walters?
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
There a lot of ex pats I know in Portugal who watch the Premiership via the internet.
I live in Malta and watch every Villa game, home or away on the telly or down the pub. They have 7 sports channels and each one is dedicated to a different match on a Saturday.
Yes, yes, that's all well and good, but I bet you've never heard of Crouch or Walters?
Weren't the Crouch and Walters an Indie Pop band from Ireland?
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
There a lot of ex pats I know in Portugal who watch the Premiership via the internet.
I live in Malta and watch every Villa game, home or away on the telly or down the pub. They have 7 sports channels and each one is dedicated to a different match on a Saturday.
Whereabouts in Malta my parents live in Qawra.
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
There a lot of ex pats I know in Portugal who watch the Premiership via the internet.
I live in Malta and watch every Villa game, home or away on the telly or down the pub. They have 7 sports channels and each one is dedicated to a different match on a Saturday.
Yes, yes, that's all well and good, but I bet you've never heard of Crouch or Walters?
Weren't the Crouch and Walters an Indie Pop band from Ireland?
I think you mean the mighty Frank and Walters
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
However it's nearly impossible to see Crouch as he has not played any PL games for Stoke recently having said that Remi will know who these players are and what they can do. Ron's comment is TIC.
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Remi will have people over here that know the game. He could well have been in touch with Wenger.
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
There a lot of ex pats I know in Portugal who watch the Premiership via the internet.
I live in Malta and watch every Villa game, home or away on the telly or down the pub.
I live in Australia and can watch every Villa game live from my comfy sofa. Trouble is kick off is between 1am - 4am so imagine how Sundays feel after watching us the last few years.
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
There a lot of ex pats I know in Portugal who watch the Premiership via the internet.
I live in Malta and watch every Villa game, home or away on the telly or down the pub. They have 7 sports channels and each one is dedicated to a different match on a Saturday.
Yes, yes, that's all well and good, but I bet you've never heard of Crouch or Walters?
Weren't the Crouch and Walters an Indie Pop band from Ireland?
I think you mean the mighty Frank and Walters
That'll be them. One of my favourite bands ;-)
Whereabouts in Malta my parents live in Qawra.
I live in Msida, in between Valletta and Sliema. Chuff knows how I ended up here for so long, but I left to do some wandering for a year last year and ended up coming back.
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I really liked Sliema, enjoyed sitting with the old folk o the waterfront doing a bit of evening fishing.
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My niece lives in Malta, can't remember exactly where though. I went in around 1987 but I haven't got round to going back. That's all I can say about Malta really.
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My niece lives in Malta, can't remember exactly where though. I went in around 1987 but I haven't got round to going back. That's all I can say about Malta really.
I'm sold lol
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Wasn't Garde a pundit on French TV covering the English PL? I'm sure he knows who Crouch and Walters are.
I've thought for a while that Walters would be good for us. He looks to give his all in every game.
On top of that he had a big bust up and told Roy Keane to ***k **f which is never a bad thing.
With his wages and the Euro's this year doubt he'd come though. Good player though.
walters signed a 2 1/2 year contract 2 months ago
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My niece lives in Malta, can't remember exactly where though. I went in around 1987 but I haven't got round to going back. That's all I can say about Malta really.
I'm sold lol
Haha, actually it was really nice . I do want to go back, I've just never got round to it. Incidentally, the hotel where we stayed is the one that got blown up in the film Munich.
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
There a lot of ex pats I know in Portugal who watch the Premiership via the internet.
I live in Malta and watch every Villa game, home or away on the telly or down the pub. They have 7 sports channels and each one is dedicated to a different match on a Saturday.
Pity I didn't know that. We were there last year and two years before that. Would liked to have met up. Oh well. Lovely place Malta.
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I didn't know Malta had more than one place. I thought it was Valletta and that was it apart from a few bomb craters and an old air strip let over from the war.
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There is an old army saying "toenails like a Maltese policeman". Is it true?
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Malta is a second home for me and the family although we tend to go to Gozo these days.
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what sort of toenails does a policeman in Malta have? Are they a bit like a Hobbit's?
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I didn't know Malta had more than one place. I thought it was Valletta and that was it apart from a few bomb craters and an old air strip let over from the war.
When I went to an American Football match at Wembley in November I was sat next to about 10 foreign lads. I asked where they were from and they said "Malta". I said "Valletta?" and they looked at me in the same way as I would look at someone if I'd told them I was from Britain and they'd said "London?".
They were from Birkirkara btw.
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
There a lot of ex pats I know in Portugal who watch the Premiership via the internet.
I live in Malta and watch every Villa game, home or away on the telly or down the pub. They have 7 sports channels and each one is dedicated to a different match on a Saturday.
Whereabouts in Malta my parents live in Qawra.
I live in Antigua and have the choice of 4 live games Saturday morning, all the Sunday and Midweek Premier games....Heaven.
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I didn't know Malta had more than one place. I thought it was Valletta and that was it apart from a few bomb craters and an old air strip let over from the war.
When I went to an American Football match at Wembley in November I was sat next to about 10 foreign lads. I asked where they were from and they said "Malta". I said "Valletta?" and they looked at me in the same way as I would look at someone if I'd told them I was from Britain and they'd said "London?".
They were from Birkirkara btw.
I do wonder how long it will take for someone to coin the phrase 'upstate London' for places like West Yorkshire.
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We've just opened an office in Malta and I was there last month. That Paceville area is certainly, ahem, interesting 😳
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Yes the russian influence and nice offers to do stuff every ten yards as you go up or down the steps.
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We've just opened an office in Malta and I was there last month. That Paceville area is certainly, ahem, interesting 😳
You must give me a shout if you are ever over here again, especially if there is a game on.
Yes, Paceville is a wee bit decadent. Not exactly in keeping with the old reputation Malta had as a retirement home. So much foreign industry has flooded in now which of course has its advantages in pulling the island into the 21st century but of course there are negatives. Prices on certainly on the rise, especially in St Julians/Sliema where most the ex-pats congregate. Even boozing isn't as cheap as it was five years ago and it's impossible to buy cheap 2nd hand cars or new furniture and homeware anyway. Still, 9 months of summer and all that.
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Yes the russian influence and nice offers to do stuff every ten yards as you go up or down the steps.
Precisely that. Running the gauntlet sums it up quite well. Around St Julian's is nice though.
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I'll be over next month OB, we can go cardy shopping together.
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I'll be over next month OB, we can go cardy shopping together.
If we both end up wanting the same cardy, I can see a nasty bout of nuggies kicking off.
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If we bring anybody in it will be on loan and from abroad. Remi doesn't know the British market so our chances of getting Crouch and Walters from Stoke are non existent. He may well have never heard of them.
It's well-known that it's nearly impossible to see Premier League football unless you're living in England.
There a lot of ex pats I know in Portugal who watch the Premiership via the internet.
I live in Malta and watch every Villa game, home or away on the telly or down the pub. They have 7 sports channels and each one is dedicated to a different match on a Saturday.
Whereabouts in Malta my parents live in Qawra.
I live in Antigua and have the choice of 4 live games Saturday morning, all the Sunday and Midweek Premier games....Heaven.
Must be a relief having so many games to watch on tv, what with the weather being so crap!!!
;-)
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Great four pages dedicated to the Maltese Tourist board. Quiet day on the transfer front?
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We stayed in the Intercontinental Hotel in St George's last year and the Le Meridien in St Julien's the time before. Very touristy both but enjoyable. As Malta is only about sixteen miles long (ideal for Jon Croft for training) we got out into the countryside a bit. Buses dirt cheap €1.50 for a day ticket and we managed to eat quite reasonably. If I had one critisism it would be that Malta can be quite littered.
Of all the places we've been, Malta is the one place Mrs S considers to be her favourite. Not a bad testimony given that lady! The last day of our holiday last year, we went up to St Paul's where I saw a billboard advertising the following: Pint of Heineken €2.00, three pints of Heineken €4 and I think it said six pints for a fiver. I took a photo of it to show the owner of the boozer back here. There were plenty of places advertising full Irish/English breakfast for €3.50. The full Irish in this town here is €9.95. Above all, the Maltese people are lovely. Those we met anyway.
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Above all, the Maltese people are lovely. Those we met anyway.
Second that.
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I think Malta is great and i really enjoyed Paceville when there were a big group of us over. Can still get a pint for €1-1.50 by qawra and bugibba so long as you drink the local stuff (cisk), which is ok for the price.
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Well that's it for today on Wish You Were Here, next week we'll be looking at exiting new destinations for next season including Ipswich, Rotherham and Sheffield.
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Are all buses on Malta from the 1930's and driven by complete maniacs? I went on one from Sliema to Mellieha and the bus had all the windows open, dust and debris flying through it like shrapnel and driving on the wrong side of the road pretty much round blind bends nearly hitting other cars numerous times. On the return journey another driver pretty much told the woman sitting behind him to shut the fuck up, with her bursting out in tears and sobbing for the rest of the journey. Maybe it was just a bad day on the buses.
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Maltese buses are modern and, the ones we traveled on were driven by pleasant men and women who were up for a laugh. They can be pretty full mind.
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The one I was on was about was modern as West Brom town centre.
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A random aside, but I have family that live in Malta and used to be in the hotel game in Sliema. Why the fuck have I not conjured a holiday out of this before?
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I think Malta is great and i really enjoyed Paceville when there were a big group of us over. Can still get a pint for €1-1.50 by qawra and bugibba so long as you drink the local stuff (cisk), which is ok for the price.
If you can still get a pint for €1-1.50 I would love to know where! A small bottle for 1.50 in a local bar in the south or towards Qawra maybe, but not a pint. Rent prices have risen 35-40% in the year I was away in this area too. I am amazed that so many people seem to know this funny little island mind! As someone said earlier, is scruffy, can be frustrating, customer service often leaves a lot to be desired but it's a charming place and I haven't regretted my drunken, random decision to move here at all over the years.
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Are all buses on Malta from the 1930's and driven by complete maniacs? I went on one from Sliema to Mellieha and the bus had all the windows open, dust and debris flying through it like shrapnel and driving on the wrong side of the road pretty much round blind bends nearly hitting other cars numerous times. On the return journey another driver pretty much told the woman sitting behind him to shut the fuck up, with her bursting out in tears and sobbing for the rest of the journey. Maybe it was just a bad day on the buses.
Haha, they certainly were but they replaced the old hummer style buses with a new fleet in 2011. They got a few bendy buses but they either got struck in the ridiculously tight streets or kept catching fire. No surprised that things didn't go to plan here.
Maltese bus drivers are amongst the most miserable people I have ever met, although I did see one who steered the bus using his gut once. That was quite impressive.
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I think Malta is great and i really enjoyed Paceville when there were a big group of us over. Can still get a pint for €1-1.50 by qawra and bugibba so long as you drink the local stuff (cisk), which is ok for the price.
If you can still get a pint for €1-1.50 I would love to know where! A small bottle for 1.50 in a local bar in the south or towards Qawra maybe, but not a pint. Rent prices have risen 35-40% in the year I was away in this area too. I am amazed that so many people seem to know this funny little island mind! As someone said earlier, is scruffy, can be frustrating, customer service often leaves a lot to be desired but it's a charming place and I haven't regretted my drunken, random decision to move here at all over the years.
It's been a year since I last went so might have changed but I paid that in most of the bars my parents go to.
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Just logged on after not being on since 8am this morning and see 4 new pages on the transfer thread, that must mean we've signed somebody I instantly thought..... Should have known better, anyway Malta sounds nice.
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My dad's partner's daughter and her family live on Gozo
.....sorry, that's all I've got Malta-wise.......carry on
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Any chance of some transfer news?
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Must have scouted some Maltese kid by now. they're a bit soft-centred though.
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Are all buses on Malta from the 1930's and driven by complete maniacs? I went on one from Sliema to Mellieha and the bus had all the windows open, dust and debris flying through it like shrapnel and driving on the wrong side of the road pretty much round blind bends nearly hitting other cars numerous times. On the return journey another driver pretty much told the woman sitting behind him to shut the fuck up, with her bursting out in tears and sobbing for the rest of the journey. Maybe it was just a bad day on the buses.
I don't think I ever saw that episode.
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Any chance of some transfer news?
Nobody's moving on until somebody mentions the George Cross.
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There is a Malta Villa fan club......although Liverpool, Yanited and Juve seem to be the most popular teams.
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Any chance of some transfer news?
You can get a transfer from Malta to Gozo on the ferry for about six quid.
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Any chance of some transfer news?
Nobody's moving on until somebody mentions the George Cross.
There's a plaque on the wall of some government building in Valetta proclaiming it.
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Any chance of some transfer news?
You can get a transfer from Malta to Gozo on the ferry for about six quid.
Ha ha! Post of the year so far!
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We looked at holidaying in Gozo once.
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Sinclair is a strange one, there's times he looks gash but he has scored 9 in in 31 games for us, 23 starts. Which isn't bad at all for a player that isn't a striker.
he isnt a winger either, cant beat a player with skill, pace or power
a nothing player with no heart, gumption or guile
aside from that he is ok
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We're interested in Michael Mifsud apparently....
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We're interested in Michael Mifsud apparently....
Who is he?
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He's pulling your wire TLS. Mifsud is 30 something and plays in Malta. See a few posts above.
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There is a Malta Villa fan club......although Liverpool, Yanited and Juve seem to be the most popular teams.
...amongst the members of the Villa fan club.
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There is a Malta Villa fan club......although Liverpool, Yanited and Juve seem to be the most popular teams.
...amongst the members of the Villa fan club.
Based on this and recent seasons more than likely!
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The Maltese fan club flew Gary Shaw over back in 2007 apparently. I tried to find them, but failed. I did find a group on Facebook but had my membership request rejected. I don't look that shifty, but I did see a few posts moaning about the group's inactivity so I guess it's lying dormant. I used to know some Villa fans living here but they have all gone back to Blighty now so I have suffered this season alone.
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I've been to Malta on numerous occasions, my old dear took me a few times as it was her favourite place. I went back 4 years ago, my daughters first ever holiday and whilst we were there I scattered my Mum's ashes in St Julian's Bay (where she used to holiday).
We actually stopped in Mellieha at the Maritim Antonin, had a wonderful time and we're going back to Mellieha this year and we are stopping at the db Seabank Resort.
Lovely country, friendly people, great food, cheap beer and plenty of sun. What's not to like.
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We're interested in Michael Mifsud apparently....
Who is he?
He is Michael Mifsud.
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Any chance of some transfer news?
You can get a transfer from Malta to Gozo on the ferry for about six quid.
And in Gozo you can transfer lot of food and drink to your stomach for €6!
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Any chance of some transfer news?
You can get a transfer from Malta to Gozo on the ferry for about six quid.
And in Gozo you can transfer lot of food and drink to your stomach for €6!
Loved both Islands
Me and the Missus had Coffèe and cakes for 4euros in total at Gozo. Near one of the ancient temples.
Defo a place to revisit. The churches are incredible - the one in Mostar clearly influenced by Moors or their equiavelent cousins.
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To bring the thread meandering back to transfers, the striker at Utrect, Haller, that we were said to be interested in, is joining Norwich for 6.5 million. Looked quite useful in clips, although so did Gestede.
I do hope that we bring in a couple of forward options though. Half way through jan a couple of players to lift thing a bit more would be useful.
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Is Haller taller than Gestede or Haller smaller than Kozak?
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I'm a bit worried we still haven't brought anyone in. If there was a club who needed to do their business as quickly as possible, it was us.
I understand the difficulties of doing business in January, but even so, it's still a little disappointing.
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I'm a bit worried we still haven't brought anyone in. If there was a club who needed to do their business as quickly as possible, it was us.
I understand the difficulties of doing business in January, but even so, it's still a little disappointing.
I agree, and after all the razzmatazz with introducing the new Chairman today we now need to concentrate on signing players, unless we have have completely given up any hope of staying up. Get on with it Villa!!
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I'm a bit worried we still haven't brought anyone in. If there was a club who needed to do their business as quickly as possible, it was us.
I understand the difficulties of doing business in January, but even so, it's still a little disappointing.
I do love a H&V tangent but if we could keep it to Malta or Gozo just for the next few pages I really think we'll get somewhere.
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Is Haller taller than Gestede or Haller smaller than Kozak?
Thats a Haller of a question 6"2
Interesting the Bristol City and Derby want the Bauvue or whatever he is called from Lyon.
It shows the top half championship sides are able to attract players from the European leagues easily enough if they do get him.
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I think the lack of action is down to people not wanting to join us.
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I think the lack of action is down to people not wanting to join us.
Could be, or it might be that we are just waiting to see where we are by the end of the month. If we still have a decent chance at the end of the month, we might roll the dice if the money is there.
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I'm a bit worried we still haven't brought anyone in. If there was a club who needed to do their business as quickly as possible, it was us.
I understand the difficulties of doing business in January, but even so, it's still a little disappointing.
I do love a H&V tangent but if we could keep it to Malta or Gozo just for the next few pages I really think we'll get somewhere.
I think we should sign (insert name here), Malta/Gozo's leading, in-form striker!
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I'm a bit worried we still haven't brought anyone in. If there was a club who needed to do their business as quickly as possible, it was us.
I understand the difficulties of doing business in January, but even so, it's still a little disappointing.
More than that, it just signals surrender. The club should have bene in full panic mode all of December lining up the targets agreeing to terms arrive at Villa first week in January.
Instead it appears we are taking a measured and calm approach looking for value and good fits in the market. Thats fine when you have that luxury .. BUT WE ARE GETTING RELEGATED AS IT STANDS FFS!
My apologies for caps but there seems to be this massive disconnect between the catastophe unfolding that the fans see versus the serene slow paced approach Fox & Lerner seem to be embracing. It is panic time. Start panic buying.
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but what's the point of panic buying ciggies if we are down? Maybe a more measured approach is required - identifying the players who will be instrumental in trying to get us back up rather than hiring payday mercenaries who will do nothing other than bleed us white. Just playing Devil's Advocate here!
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To bring the thread meandering back to transfers, the striker at Utrect, Haller, that we were said to be interested in, is joining Norwich for 6.5 million.
Has he ever been to Malta?
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Well this new bloke has more or less said we are down.That is defeatism and we have no room for that attitude at Villa Park.
Especially if we,by some chance,get a hard fought win against Leicester this weekend!.
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My brother an even older Holte Ender than I, was a Royal Marine stationed on Malta. He explained why Maltese policemens' toenails are objects of great interest. When he was there he says the cops wore conventional British style uniforms but, due to the heat were allowed to wear sandals and no socks exposing their toenails to view and inevitable military jest.
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but what's the point of panic buying ciggies if we are down? Maybe a more measured approach is required - identifying the players who will be instrumental in trying to get us back up rather than hiring payday mercenaries who will do nothing other than bleed us white. Just playing Devil's Advocate here!
Oh I am not being rational :) But getting players in to get us back up could even be done now, arguably its even better to do it now, more time to gel, assuming we have been actually working on it during December. Its the lack of activity or concern entirely that bothers me, it smacks of laziness. When in a crisis I say push every button you can to see if one of them happens to work. Like I say not rational, I am panicked. I want to see Randy & Fox panicking as well.
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Well this new bloke has more or less said we are down.That is defeatism and we have no room for that attitude at Villa Park.
I know what your getting at but defeatism has been the attitude at Villa Park for a very long time now.
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I want to see Randy & Fox panicking as well.
You aren't going to see Randy do anything ciggies - ever again
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I'm a bit worried we still haven't brought anyone in. If there was a club who needed to do their business as quickly as possible, it was us.
I understand the difficulties of doing business in January, but even so, it's still a little disappointing.
Yep at the very least I'd like us to be putting some steps in place to prepare for next year. Although I'd rather we didn't saddle ourselves with a load of mercanaries in an attempt to avoid relegation. It's a tough balance, but I'd like to see us actually do something.
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Agree PWA. Common sense sense says don't waste money but we must boost the tempo of the second half of the season so we hit next season running. Last year's summer and autumn saw us totally unprepared for 15/16 and it is that shocking neglect has seen us where we are currently.
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im not sure if i dreamt it but im sure i heard on talkshite that the new chairman has said there wont be a lot of money spent this window
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im not sure if i dreamt it but im sure i heard on talkshite that the new chairman has said there wont be a lot of money spent this window
Haven't heard any pronouncement about transfer money at all OswaldF - not a sausage - along with the "Aston Villa are not afraid of relegation" quote it tells you all you need to know mate!
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I want to see Randy & Fox panicking as well.
You aren't going to see Randy do anything ciggies - ever again
I don't want to see anyone connected with the club panicking. Taking our plight seriously and trying calmly to address it, yes. Panicking, no.
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im not sure if i dreamt it but im sure i heard on talkshite that the new chairman has said there wont be a lot of money spent this window
Haven't heard any pronouncement about transfer money at all OswaldF - not a sausage - along with the "Aston Villa are not afraid of relegation" quote it tells you all you need to know mate!
he said on bbc sport that "spending money is not the answer"
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I want to see Randy & Fox panicking as well.
You aren't going to see Randy do anything ciggies - ever again
I don't want to see anyone connected with the club panicking. Taking our plight seriously and trying calmly to address it, yes. Panicking, no.
Agreed, I'd like to see some controlled concern. Panic is the sort of thing that leads to us offering £100,000 a week to someone like N'Zogbia on a 5 year deal.
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If we really are holding back from buying as the club has accepted relegation then that's yet another kick in the teeth for the fans. Yes it's unlikely we'll stay up but you could also say it's only 8 points and it's still mid January.
Newcastle, Sunderland, Bournemouth etc have all done significant business already and are demonstrating that they're up for the fight.
We are just strolling along talking about how hard it is doing business in January, whilst refusing to look at the league table and pretending that it isn't really happening.
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Newcastle, Sunderland, Bournemouth etc have all done significant business already and are demonstrating that they're up for the fight.
Yep, Big Sam is looking to give it a right go, but not sure on the quality of Newcastle's spending.
I really think with a couple of clever loans and deals that allow the player to leave if we go down we could really freshen up the feel of the squad and still give it a right go.
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Newcastle, Sunderland, Bournemouth etc have all done significant business already and are demonstrating that they're up for the fight.
Yep, Big Sam is looking to give it a right go, but not sure on the quality of Newcastle's spending.
I really think with a couple of clever loans and deals that allow the player to leave if we go down we could really freshen up the feel of the squad and still give it a right go.
I'm not losing any sleep over the fact Newcastle have been robbed of £12m for Jonjo Shelvey.
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Linked with a loan move for Blues' biggest ever legend innit, Obafemi Martins.
Isn't he one of those players like Kanu who lies about his age? The article says he's 31, but really he's about 58.
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Just reading about Obafemi Martins being linked. They're taking the piss, right?
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Hopefully. He's a legend to them lot up the road.
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Clubs around us are buying players while we sit on our hands. Not good enough, Villa. Sort it out for Christ sake and don't give up. We're still in January for crying out loud.
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I don't think we are sitting on our hands!
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I think the solution is to have our pre season in Malta to get ready for the Championship League.
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I don't think we are sitting on our hands!
No that's silly when there are comfy chairs around.
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Why don't we have a player called Hans when a pun fest is brewing. I blame the summer recruitment committee
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I just think as far adrift as we are people won't come. Naismith of to Swansea rumours suggest. Seen up to 9 million mentioned which would be as crazy as Grabban for 7.
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rivals - loadsamoney! Villa - buggerallmoney!
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I think it's more a case of any deals that were tentatively in place in December were suddenly non runners due to the dropped points through December leaving so far adrift.
As tempting as it might be we can't force players to sign for us.
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I think it's more a case of any deals that were tentatively in place in December were suddenly non runners due to the dropped points through December leaving so far adrift.
As tempting as it might be we can't force players to sign for us.
I think that's most likely true.
Which is why I said (to people at work) at the start of the week that this was our perhaps final chance of getting out. Get 6 points, or just show some signs of life, then bag a player or two before end of window and give it one last push. We have 3 of the 6, and 4 wouldn't be a disaster IMO, but if w're withing 4 or 5 points of a couple of rivals it starts to look doable again, and may change a few potential signings minds.
Hope is a fragile beast..
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If we are going to give it a real go between now and the end of the season it has to be mainly loan deals, with perhaps one or two astute signings with a view to next season without paying over the odds.
I would try and get a couple of loans in to try and stabilise even if staying up is beyond us.
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I think it's more a case of any deals that were tentatively in place in December were suddenly non runners due to the dropped points through December leaving so far adrift.
As tempting as it might be we can't force players to sign for us.
That's possibly most likely the case. Besides, there's no point in just signing just anybody for the sake of it.
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Problem is we don't have a benteke to sell and Lerner will not put his hand in his pocket so there is bugger all to spend
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I think it's more a case of any deals that were tentatively in place in December were suddenly non runners due to the dropped points through December leaving so far adrift.
As tempting as it might be we can't force players to sign for us.
This and also we need to be really careful with any players we add to this group, players who come in for a few months pay to fuck off again in the summer are exactly the wrong ones to be adding and unfortunately they're the ones who will happily sign for us right now. Norwich and Sunderland were huge negative results for us, we needed 4-6 points and got none. Decent results in those 2 and we'd be within a win or so of safety and have a much better chance of getting our targets. If we can get another good result tomorrow then it might be enough to show players that we're going to fight to get out of this and make them think we're a decent opportunity.
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I think the solution is to have our pre season in Malta to get ready for the Championship League.
Malta's a good choice though bloody hot in July.
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Newcastle, Sunderland, Bournemouth etc have all done significant business already and are demonstrating that they're up for the fight.
Yep, Big Sam is looking to give it a right go, but not sure on the quality of Newcastle's spending.
I really think with a couple of clever loans and deals that allow the player to leave if we go down we could really freshen up the feel of the squad and still give it a right go.
I'm not losing any sleep over the fact Newcastle have been robbed of £12m for Jonjo Shelvey.
A signing MON would have been proud of.
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I just think as far adrift as we are people won't come. Naismith of to Swansea rumours suggest. Seen up to 9 million mentioned which would be as crazy as Grabban for 7.
Or Shelvey for £12m. The domestic market is ridiculously overpriced and those who moan about there being too many foreigners in the English game should realise that is one of the major reasons why.
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im not sure if i dreamt it but im sure i heard on talkshite that the new chairman has said there wont be a lot of money spent this window
Haven't heard any pronouncement about transfer money at all OswaldF - not a sausage - along with the "Aston Villa are not afraid of relegation" quote it tells you all you need to know mate!
he said on bbc sport that "spending money is not the answer"
Then what do they think is the answer, of course we have to spend some money, what is the plan? Sacrifice Gabby to Vishnu and hope for the best? I hate to be pessimistic after finally winning a game but this guy smacks of another financial overlord, counting beans and looking for new ways of saving money and I expect nothing more than complete gambles on transfers pre season, only even cheaper gambles along the lines of Tonev and Bennett.
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im not sure if i dreamt it but im sure i heard on talkshite that the new chairman has said there wont be a lot of money spent this window
Haven't heard any pronouncement about transfer money at all OswaldF - not a sausage - along with the "Aston Villa are not afraid of relegation" quote it tells you all you need to know mate!
he said on bbc sport that "spending money is not the answer"
Then what do they think is the answer, of course we have to spend some money, what is the plan? Sacrifice Gabby to Vishnu and hope for the best? I hate to be pessimistic after finally winning a game but this guy smacks of another financial overlord, counting beans and looking for new ways of saving money and I expect nothing more than complete gambles on transfers pre season, only even cheaper gambles along the lines of Tonev and Bennett.
They're going to do a Mass.
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im not sure if i dreamt it but im sure i heard on talkshite that the new chairman has said there wont be a lot of money spent this window
Haven't heard any pronouncement about transfer money at all OswaldF - not a sausage - along with the "Aston Villa are not afraid of relegation" quote it tells you all you need to know mate!
he said on bbc sport that "spending money is not the answer"
Then what do they think is the answer, of course we have to spend some money, what is the plan? Sacrifice Gabby to Vishnu and hope for the best? I hate to be pessimistic after finally winning a game but this guy smacks of another financial overlord, counting beans and looking for new ways of saving money and I expect nothing more than complete gambles on transfers pre season, only even cheaper gambles along the lines of Tonev and Bennett.
totally agree
for me randolph has just added another layer, ultimately it will still be him that has the final say and hollis can take the flak
same turd different toilet
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Problem is we don't have a benteke to sell and Lerner will not put his hand in his pocket so there is bugger all to spend
Who says we haven't got any money? How has our expenditure in the first half of the season compared with income? Ditto rest of season?
Assumptions made may not match reality. I don't think Garde would accept Lerner pocketing any excess income over expenditure at the expense of team building. This is a different situation to realistic expenditure to match our future position.
I do not know the exact financial position of the club and I don't think many of our fans do either.
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im not sure if i dreamt it but im sure i heard on talkshite that the new chairman has said there wont be a lot of money spent this window
Haven't heard any pronouncement about transfer money at all OswaldF - not a sausage - along with the "Aston Villa are not afraid of relegation" quote it tells you all you need to know mate!
he said on bbc sport that "spending money is not the answer"
Then what do they think is the answer, of course we have to spend some money, what is the plan? Sacrifice Gabby to Vishnu and hope for the best? I hate to be pessimistic after finally winning a game but this guy smacks of another financial overlord, counting beans and looking for new ways of saving money and I expect nothing more than complete gambles on transfers pre season, only even cheaper gambles along the lines of Tonev and Bennett.
The slight issue here is that despite putting it in quotes no one said that, it does say in the article
Hollis told BBC Sport the club needed "shaking up" but insisted that spending money on players was not the solution.
but that note a quote so we don't know the context. The only bit that has actual context is from Fox a little further down:
"The results speak for themselves. When a great club like this, with its history and heritage and success it has had in the past, finds itself in a relegation battle for five seasons in a row, despite spending money to bring players in and changing managers, you have to ask yourself 'what is fundamentally wrong?'
"The principles Steve talks about are the ones we need to bring to our football set-up so that when we got to our board and ask them to spend money on acquiring players or coaches, we have a good sense for how that investment is going to pay off for the owner and how it is ultimately going to deliver results on the pitch."
Hollis added: "Randy spent a lot of money last summer and we are not seeing the result of that. This is about hard work, commitment and a focus on continuous improvement."
Which is very different, that's not saying they won't spend money, it's all about spending money well.
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We didn't spend a lot of money last summer though did we. Unless we disregard the big amount of money we brought in. Good old Randy spent very little, like the season before and the season before that. His days of spending are long over.
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We didn't spend a lot of money last summer though did we. Unless we disregard the big amount of money we brought in. Good old Randy spent very little, like the season before and the season before that. His days of spending are long over.
Does money that you've earned through wise purchases/sales not count when you spend it? Why is a 'net spend' so important?
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Because if you are getting a lot of money in, you are obviously selling your better players, if you are starting from a weak base, which we were then I'd say its pretty certain that if you aren't investing heavily on improving the team, not just spending what you made, you are going to struggle very badly to move on up. Unless every one you buy hits the ground running and are great purchases.
Has anyone in the last 10 or 20 years made improvements from years of struggle without spending any money? I can't remember any off the top of my head.
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I can't recall Leicester spending truck loads of the stuff
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Leicester in talks with another defensive midfielder according to the BBC so maybe that would free up Inler.
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Leicester haven't spent half a decade in a downward spiral. They also spent £40m the last 2 seasons. So hardly making an improvement from years of struggle.
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Because if you are getting a lot of money in, you are obviously selling your better players, if you are starting from a weak base, which we were then I'd say its pretty certain that if you aren't investing heavily on improving the team, not just spending what you made, you are going to struggle very badly to move on up. Unless every one you buy hits the ground running and are great purchases.
Has anyone in the last 10 or 20 years made improvements from years of struggle without spending any money? I can't remember any off the top of my head.
has anyone, from years of struggle, sold a player for £32m? In context that's almost the entirety of what Leicester have spent in the 2 seasons since they came up, add on the Delph money and we're there. Spending loads more money and running up debts wouldn't have helped all that much.In my opinion the big mistake was Gestede who just can't do the role he was bought for, better scouting and a couple of million extra may have been all the difference but it would still have been a tiny net spend.
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Why would we have run up debts this season if we had spent a bit more on fleshing out what was the worst squad still in the premier league last season? Would it have cost that much to make improvements on Richardson? Bacuna? Westwood? Guzan? We were on the eve on the biggest contract in football history, absolute mega riches and you are worrying about spending a little extra on improving the worst squad in the division who have just sold their best players. How would we have gotten in to massive debt seeing as 2 seasons ago we had almost broken even and since then we have lowered the wage bill even more?
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My honest opinion is that Gestede is a better player than we have seen in a Villa shirt. Not brilliant by any stretch of the imagination but better than he has been for us. He is one of the many we have brought in in recent years who, in my opinion, unable to make himself deliver. The big unmeasured factor in assessing incoming players is their mental strength.
To put the boot on the other foot suppose we decided to sell Jack Grealish. Any competent watcher of him would have to make an assessment of what was going on in his head.
A constantly recurring theme in our endless strings of defeats is the way the team crumbles. Any new player coming to us has to have the character as well as the technical ability
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Has anyone in the last 10 or 20 years made improvements from years of struggle without spending any money? I can't remember any off the top of my head.
It would be hard to say that they were struggling, but Spurs probably look to be in their healthiest position in a long time and over the last five years are £8m in profit on their transfer dealings.
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Has anyone in the last 10 or 20 years made improvements from years of struggle without spending any money? I can't remember any off the top of my head.
It would be hard to say that they were struggling, but Spurs probably look to be in their healthiest position in a long time and over the last five years are £8m in profit on their transfer dealings.
Their chairman is pretty switched on and drives a hard bargain
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Isn't our 25 man Premier League squad already full?
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Isn't our 25 man Premier League squad already full?
No. Our squad at the start of the season included Cole and Steer. Cole has been sold and Steer is still out on loan
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Just breaking on Sky that LA Galaxy have offered Jolean Lescott a 3 year contract
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Just breaking on Sky that LA Galaxy have offered Jolean Lescott a 3 year contract
As much as he played well tuesday I'd still let him go for that. He's going to struggle at this level to play every week. He's at MLS age now. But this would be on the proviso we get the bordeaux lad in (or another CH).
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Isn't our 25 man Premier League squad already full?
No. Our squad at the start of the season included Cole and Steer. Cole has been sold and Steer is still out on loan
We resubmit in Feb too don't we? We can make space for new signings.
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Just breaking on Sky that LA Galaxy have offered Jolean Lescott a 3 year contract
As much as he played well tuesday I'd still let him go for that. He's going to struggle at this level to play every week. He's at MLS age now. But this would be on the proviso we get the bordeaux lad in (or another CH).
He's been a good servant to the club, let him have his last pay day
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Yes, we have had the best of him.
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Just breaking on Sky that LA Galaxy have offered Jolean Lescott a 3 year contract
I'd let him go if we could get someone better in.
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Presumably this can't happen until the summer anyway because he has already played for two clubs this season and can't play for a third. The only way it could is if MLS 2016 falls into a different season in the football calendar
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Presumably this can't happen until the summer anyway because he has already played for two clubs this season and can't play for a third. The only way it could is if MLS 2016 falls into a different season in the football calendar
The MLS season has just finished I think. Ridgewell's team Portland Timbers just won the title.
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Well presumably we've agreed to sell him, as they can't just offer him a deal.
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Just breaking on Sky that LA Galaxy have offered Jolean Lescott a 3 year contract
I'd let him go if we could get someone better in.
No mean feat given our impending relegation
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Why would we have run up debts this season if we had spent a bit more on fleshing out what was the worst squad still in the premier league last season? Would it have cost that much to make improvements on Richardson? Bacuna? Westwood? Guzan? We were on the eve on the biggest contract in football history, absolute mega riches and you are worrying about spending a little extra on improving the worst squad in the division who have just sold their best players. How would we have gotten in to massive debt seeing as 2 seasons ago we had almost broken even and since then we have lowered the wage bill even more?
The problem would have been if we were unable to sell them. Those 4 players would have cost around £7m in wages for this season alone unless we could have offset some of this by loaning out.
I agree that we should have spent more in the summer and targeted the defence more.
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Well presumably we've agreed to sell him, as they can't just offer him a deal.
We're able to give them permission to talk before agreeing a fee if we want to.
If you weren't fussed whether he stays or goes, you might let the player decide if he's interested in the move before spending loads of time negotiating transfer fees.
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I'd really rather we didn't dump Lescott now. Out defence has improved immeasurably since he and Okore started playing together, why disrupt that when we are in our position? He didn't play well earlier in the season but in the second halves at Newcastle and home games with West Ham and Palace he has looked like the experienced head we thought we were signing.
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Rather Lescott stayed - defence looks stronger with him and Okore as CB's. Don't want to start leaking goals again which we can ill afford!
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I'd really rather we didn't dump Lescott now. Out defence has improved measurably since he and Okore started playing together, why disrupt that when we are in our position? He didn't play well earlier in the season but in the second halves at Newcastle and home games with West Ham and Palace he has looked like the experienced head we thought we were signing.
Agreed. He's scored a couple of important goals too. Well, maybe not that important when we look back at the end of the season.
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If Andre Ayew is really available from Swansea I would be in there.
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I can't remember the last time we had a pair of brothers in the team together. Did the Moore bros play together? I think Bruce and Neil Rioch did. Our great stalwart on here's cousins Frank and Amos Moss certainly did.
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If Sunderland do get him I would be a bit gutted that we haven't tried to put them together. Andre works just as hard so would suit Garde.
I would not let Lescott go either. Easily out best centre half when played with Okore
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I think it's more a case of any deals that were tentatively in place in December were suddenly non runners due to the dropped points through December leaving so far adrift.
As tempting as it might be we can't force players to sign for us.
Seen today that Sam Byram from Leeds is going to Everton for £3m in spite of us having made a similar bid earlier. Reason he is not coming to us apparently is due to our league position and probable relegation.
I was told by an alleged Leeds ITK in the summer that we were in for him but the deal failed to come off for whatever reason, thought to be Leeds asking for silly money then.
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Isn't our 25 man Premier League squad already full?
Nzgobia, Cole, Richardson, Gardner, Steer. Contributed the square route of fuck all. There was space in the squad, we just haven't used it. We fleshed it out with utter garbage
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If they don't expect us to stay up this season Lescott will be culled now to save on the wages I'd expect.
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I'd go for Ayew as well. On Lescott I'd rather we didn't sell him, he's just put in a big performance, he's forming a partnership with Okore and I doubt we'd get an adequate replacement.
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0% chance of Ayew deciding he wants to get relegated unless he wants to spend some more time with his brother.
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If Andre Ayew is really available from Swansea I would be in there.
He's essentially the same player as his brother though, not sure it would work.
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What we don't want to do is sell him to save money and go into more of a tail spin than we are now. If we could get an experienced replacement with less mileage then ok.
I suppose an alternative could be to let him go but loan him back until the MSL season starts rather than just let him go without replacing. This would then get us halfway to the end of the season.
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If Andre Ayew is really available from Swansea I would be in there.
He's essentially the same player as his brother though, not sure it would work.
And why would Swansea sell their top scorer to a team who could catch up with them?
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It's going to take a right nutter to join us right now anyway. Maybe Adebayor will get his message from god and turn up for his medical.
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If Andre Ayew is really available from Swansea I would be in there.
He's essentially the same player as his brother though, not sure it would work.
And why would Swansea sell their top scorer to a team who could catch up with them?
They sold Newcastle Shelvey.
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Yeah but selling Shelvey makes Newcastle an even worse side.
And supposedly they've said they have no intention of selling Ayew to Sunderland.
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If Andre Ayew is really available from Swansea I would be in there.
He's essentially the same player as his brother though, not sure it would work.
And why would Swansea sell their top scorer to a team who could catch up with them?
Perhaps they are preparing for relegation. Any Italians running the club?
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personally i would let lescott go
he wont be any good in the championship with the extra games and playing midweek
we need to start thinking long term for a change
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Just breaking on Sky that LA Galaxy have offered Jolean Lescott a 3 year contract
According to Twitter, it's a £3m bid, rather than a contract offer.
How much did we pay for him?
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If Andre Ayew is really available from Swansea I would be in there.
No. He is ok but not a prolific scorer or anything special.
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personally i would let lescott go
he wont be any good in the championship with the extra games and playing midweek
we need to start thinking long term for a change
Agreed, I wouldn't have brought him in the first place and the fact he's fucking off shows his heart's not in it
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I'd hang onto Lescott. I've had a vision of him scoring the winner against the stripeys late on at the Brummie road and celebrating like a loon much to their chagrin. If my Nostradamus moment is on the money he's worth much more than the fee we will get for him - 3 points invaluable, shutting those inbred twats up priceless...
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Just breaking on Sky that LA Galaxy have offered Jolean Lescott a 3 year contract
According to Twitter, it's a £3m bid, rather than a contract offer.
How much did we pay for him?
If true buy him a dozen boxes of chewing gums and pack his bags.
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If Andre Ayew is really available from Swansea I would be in there.
He's essentially the same player as his brother though, not sure it would work.
And why would Swansea sell their top scorer to a team who could catch up with them?
Ha! This is the funniest thing I've read today! Please tell me this was said with tongue firmly in cheek.
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Obafemi Martins turns us down according to report.
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A. Ayew is on 80k a week at Swansea isn't he?
Wonder what his little brother is getting here...
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Obafemi Martins turns us down according to report.
Does that make you angry Kippax?
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Obafemi Martins turns us down according to report.
Does that make you angry Kippax?
Christ is he still playing? What is he now? 90? 93?
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Obafemi Martins turns us down according to report.
Good, isn't he really 40?
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I'd rather Yakubu. It might entice Mazrim back to H&V.
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I'd rather Yakubu...
...than Fleetwood Mac.
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Rémi sounds quite confident on new faces here, from Pravda:
Rémi Garde wants the team to have his "personal touch" on it after the January transfer window.
Garde has given his views on the squad to the Board, which now contains new chairman Steven Hollis - and knows how many new signings he wants to bring in.
The boss is eager for the squad to be moulded more in his image when the month is over.
But he stressed that January is not the best time to acquire players.
However, he insists he's working hard with the Board to bring in fresh blood.
He said: "I would like to have my touch - my personal touch on the team.
"It takes time. At the moment, let's say we are at half-time in the window - still two weeks to go.
"Sometimes it's like in the game - in the last minute you will score a very important goal.
"Let's say that the first two weeks I have worked very hard on that.
"It's very clear in my mind what I need. Then hopefully I will have it.
"I would like to bring in some players. The Board knows exactly what I want. We are working on that for now.
"I know it's very important to strengthen the team. I have said that to the club.
"I have been here for two months. I have assessed the team and players individually - and the collective strengths and weaknesses within the squad.
"For the moment I didn't sign any players - but there are still two weeks to go."
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He sounds optimistic.
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Obafemi Martins turns us down according to report.
Does that make you angry Kippax?
Not as angry as say having an Internet stalker.
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I can't recall Leicester spending truck loads of the stuff
They offered Marc Albrighton reportedly 40k a week when he left us
Dyer, Huth, Dyer, Inler are all on decent contracts I suspect
They have spent decent transfer fees on the likes of Kramaric, Ulloa, Okazaki, Gray
Their rise this season is unprecedented in the Sky era but its not quite rags to riches either
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Aren't we supposed to be quite close to the signing of the Bordeaux captain, Sane? Was going g to be a loan but now a permanent deal?
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Don't think it's imminent, he's in the Bordeaux squad this weekend.
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Don't think it's imminent, he's in the Bordeaux squad this weekend.
..and in our bomb squad come May
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He is but their chairman and manager both said he wants out and that they are in talks with us.
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I think we'll sign some players last week of the window so not sure we'll get much for the next two league games.
How good would it be to get 4 points from the next two league games. Might convince an undecided player or two to take up the challenge to keep us up and we'd be fully in the mix if we then went onto beat Norwich.
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Obafemi Martins turns us down according to report.
Certainly need a striker, though Martins wouldn't be the answer.
Dont trust any of our forwards to score enough to get us even close to safety.
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I can't remember the last time we had a pair of brothers in the team together. Did the Moore bros play together? I think Bruce and Neil Rioch did. Our great stalwart on here's cousins Frank and Amos Moss certainly did.
Did Alan ever play with Sir Bri?
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Aren't we supposed to be quite close to the signing of the Bordeaux captain, Sane? Was going g to be a loan but now a permanent deal?
Allegedly he was recently heard to say: "I'd be mad to go there...".
*sorry*
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I'd rather Yakubu...
...than Fleetwood Mac.
I've had beer but that made me laugh.
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I can't remember the last time we had a pair of brothers in the team together. Did the Moore bros play together? I think Bruce and Neil Rioch did. Our great stalwart on here's cousins Frank and Amos Moss certainly did.
Did Alan ever play with Sir Bri?
Great shout, Peter and yes they did.
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Beauvue has signed for Celta Vigo. €5m.
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Aren't we supposed to be quite close to the signing of the Bordeaux captain, Sane? Was going g to be a loan but now a permanent deal?
Allegedly he was recently heard to say: "I'd be mad to go there...".
*sorry*
I smiled :) Nicely done.
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Their chairman is pretty switched on and drives a hard bargain
Yes......he does ...look at this bargain basement purchases🤔
Paulinho £17,000,000
Nacer Chadli £7,000,000
Roberto Soldado £25,800,000
Etienne Capoue £8,600,000
Erik Lamela £25,800,000
Vlad Chiriches £8,500,000
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I'm very interested to see if we can get any business done at all this window. If we don't we are almost certainly down, they will know this.
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I'm very interested to see if we can get any business done at all this window. If we don't we are almost certainly down, they will know this.
Well they are trying. We'll just have to be patient I suppose.
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L'Equipe are apparently reporting that we're close to signing Debuchy on loan this morning.
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In fact, so are the Brum Mail...
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-debuchy-10744251
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Charlie Austin joining Southampton for £4m
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good buy
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4 million and yet we're nowhere to be seen. Farce.
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4 million and yet we're nowhere to be seen. Farce.
How do you know us and others club didn't bid as well?
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4 million and yet we're nowhere to be seen. Farce.
Completely. I can't understand the lack of a massive queue of players lining up to sign 3 or 4 year contracts to join an odds-on favourite to be relegated. What are they thinking!?
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4 million and yet we're nowhere to be seen. Farce.
And how do you know that?
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I understand LTA frustration, it's the 16th we've made no signings and to be honest a Chairman who came in and pissed on our bonfires regarding spending money.
The hierarchy of the club do seem to have given up the ghost.
That's not being negative for the sake of it, we needed players for Sunderland not West Brom.
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4 million and yet we're nowhere to be seen. Farce.
And how do you know that?
We are bottom of the table, seven points off the next team, eight off safety. We have a chump of an owner who has just employed an axe wielding chairman and we struggle against teams like Wycombe. That's how I know we are a farce.
As for the Charlie Austin to Southampton link that's what The Telegraph are reporting.
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I'm very interested to see if we can get any business done at all this window. If we don't we are almost certainly down, they will know this.
Well they are trying. We'll just have to be patient I suppose.
More jam tomorrow, only the jam we get promised turns out to be shit sandwiches.
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I'm very interested to see if we can get any business done at all this window. If we don't we are almost certainly down, they will know this.
Well they are trying. We'll just have to be patient I suppose.
More jam tomorrow, only the jam we get promised turns out to be shit sandwiches.
What do you suggest then, we just go and sign anybody?
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Whatever has happened there is no way Austin is going to choose us over Southampton, given the league positions of both clubs.
No contest for him.
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4 million and yet we're nowhere to be seen. Farce.
And how do you know that?
We are bottom of the table, seven points off the next team, eight off safety. We have a chump of an owner who has just employed an axe wielding chairman and we struggle against teams like Wycombe. That's how I know we are a farce.
As for the Charlie Austin to Southampton link that's what The Telegraph are reporting.
Sorry, have you got two usernames then?
The point I was making was how do we know we haven't tried to sign him, only to be told no thanks because he's clearly got better offers on the table.
Your subsequent rant explains why that would be the case.
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Frees up Shane Long to join us.
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Frees up Shane Long to join us.
The thought did cross my mind. We could do worse.
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4 million and yet we're nowhere to be seen. Farce.
And how do you know that?
We are bottom of the table, seven points off the next team, eight off safety. We have a chump of an owner who has just employed an axe wielding chairman and we struggle against teams like Wycombe. That's how I know we are a farce.
As for the Charlie Austin to Southampton link that's what The Telegraph are reporting.
Sorry, have you got two usernames then?
The point I was making was how do we know we haven't tried to sign him, only to be told no thanks because he's clearly got better offers on the table.
Your subsequent rant explains why that would be the case.
Sorry if you want a private conversation with a board member try sending them a message.
God knows if we were or not after Austin. Being bottom of the table means we have got to work harder than other clubs to sign players. It does stick in the craw a bit when we are half way through January and have signed nobody when we desperately need quality players, especially a striker like Charlie Austin.
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Debuchy incoming so that's one in at least.
How badly run are QPR though, at least we got good money for Benteke even if we failed at everything else.
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Frees up Shane Long to join us.
The thought did cross my mind. We could do worse.
Maybe Pelle is on his way, which would be a substantial overall downgrade for Southampton.
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You can experiment a bit though when they're safely in mid table.
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Austin wanted to return to the south coast , we had no chance of getting him.
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Frees up Shane Long to join us.
The thought did cross my mind. We could do worse.
BBC Gossip thing linking Long with 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' this morning.
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then the Beast is back where he belongs!
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Frees up Shane Long to join us.
The thought did cross my mind. We could do worse.
We could stick with Rudy
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Newcastle are going mental. The BEEB just said they are lining up a bid for Townsend. Why would he go there? :o
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4 million and yet we're nowhere to be seen. Farce.
And how do you know that?
We are bottom of the table, seven points off the next team, eight off safety. We have a chump of an owner who has just employed an axe wielding chairman and we struggle against teams like Wycombe. That's how I know we are a farce.
As for the Charlie Austin to Southampton link that's what The Telegraph are reporting.
Sorry, have you got two usernames then?
The point I was making was how do we know we haven't tried to sign him, only to be told no thanks because he's clearly got better offers on the table.
Your subsequent rant explains why that would be the case.
Sorry if you want a private conversation with a board member try sending them a message.
God knows if we were or not after Austin. Being bottom of the table means we have got to work harder than other clubs to sign players. It does stick in the craw a bit when we are half way through January and have signed nobody when we desperately need quality players, especially a striker like Charlie Austin.
I agree, but short of kidnapping players we've got to accept we are where we are, and players are going to maybe look at better options before committing to us.
The business we do will more likely be at the end of the window when some options have dried up for our targets.
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Austin wanted to return to the south coast , we had no chance of getting him.
Did people not say the same thing about Defoe? Wouldn't want to leave the south or London?
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Newcastle are going mental. The BEEB just said they are lining up a bid for Townsend. Why would he go there? :o
Are Newcastle ever going to sign any defenders? Everytime I watch them their back 4 is useless against pace and counter attack.
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Austin wanted to return to the south coast , we had no chance of getting him.
He is from Berkshire.
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There was a rumour he would not go out of London wasn't there.
Long would be a decent signing for us but he will get better offers
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He is Arry's secret son that's why he wants to go to the South Coast!
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Newcastle are going mental. The BEEB just said they are lining up a bid for Townsend. Why would he go there? :o
Are Newcastle ever going to sign any defenders? Everytime I watch them their back 4 is useless against pace and counter attack.
Think they need attacking players more. Like us they make silly errors, but actually if you watch their games against the likes of Man Utd and Everton they are pretty well set up, its just that over the course of a game they are punished for not creating enough or for sloppy mistakes.
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Newcastle have goals in them. Soccer is right they need a defence
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There was a rumour he would not go out of London wasn't there.
Long would be a decent signing for us but he will get better offers
Long might be, and would do a job in the Championship. If we play the attackers we played Tuesday for most of the games we might be alright up front, maybe a poucher would be good.
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Frees up Shane Long to join us.
The thought did cross my mind. We could do worse.
We could stick with Rudy
There is probably no option.
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There was a rumour he would not go out of London wasn't there.
Long would be a decent signing for us but he will get better offers
Long might be, and would do a job in the Championship. If we play the attackers we played Tuesday for most of the games we might be alright up front, maybe a poucher would be good.
Maybe he will HOUND the opposition defence.
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He is Arry's secret son that's why he wants to go to the South Coast!
Luvva Duck Guv! Well 'es a triffick lad, wiv a triffick attitude. It'll be trffick for the kids down at Saaaarfampton coz my boy can bell me & I can sort 'em out wiv a nice low mileage runaround. Sold as seen & cash, obviously...
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Is Shane Long really likely to come here given that the man who tried to murder him and his family still turns out at right back for us?
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I'm very interested to see if we can get any business done at all this window. If we don't we are almost certainly down, they will know this.
Well they are trying. We'll just have to be patient I suppose.
More jam tomorrow, only the jam we get promised turns out to be shit sandwiches.
not even a sandwich
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The move for Debuchy is a strange one unless Lescott is leaving and we plan to play either Richards or Okore on the left of the CB pairing. Because if Lescott isn't going where does Richards or Okore go? Still Debuchy would become the best RB at the club so it's a plus, but we have many other needs. A win today and not so good results for Swansea/Newcastle/Sunderland is so critical because it just gives us a bit more hope and makes us that much more attractive to potential new signings.
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The move for Debuchy is a strange one unless Lescott is leaving and we plan to play either Richards or Okore on the left of the CB pairing. Because if Lescott isn't going where does Richards or Okore go? Still Debuchy would become the best RB at the club so it's a plus, but we have many other needs. A win today and not so good results for Swansea/Newcastle/Sunderland is so critical because it just gives us a bit more hope and makes us that much more attractive to potential new signings.
Well at least one of the 3 are now getting stuffed at Spuds. ;)
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The move for Debuchy is a strange one unless Lescott is leaving and we plan to play either Richards or Okore on the left of the CB pairing. Because if Lescott isn't going where does Richards or Okore go? Still Debuchy would become the best RB at the club so it's a plus, but we have many other needs. A win today and not so good results for Swansea/Newcastle/Sunderland is so critical because it just gives us a bit more hope and makes us that much more attractive to potential new signings.
I agree TV. I wonder if the MLS thing for Lescott is happening too. Sane potentially coming in as well? Otherwise, it does seem a little strange.
Shane Long is a decent player, I wouldn't be too unhappy with him in our side.
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The thing with Long is, as far as I've seen, he works like a dog.
And Tuesday showed the difference someone working hard up top made us.
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I don't see how debuchy is an odd signing. He should be comfortably better than any of the right backs we have
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Striker, Keeper, centre mid. Priorities
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Striker, Keeper, centre mid. Priorities
Matt raises a fair point, Debuchy is better than what we currently have available, therefore is an upgrade. Not necessarily a priority position but definitely an upgrade. I agree with this too aj but I wonder whether all of this in one month is too much to hope for?
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The thing with Long is, as far as I've seen, he works like a dog.
And Tuesday showed the difference someone working hard up top made us.
According to the 'Gossip' thing on the Beeb website, Liverpool are considering an £8m bid for Long's services. He sure as Hell won't be coming here any time soon.
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The thing with Long is, as far as I've seen, he works like a dog.
And Tuesday showed the difference someone working hard up top made us.
According to the 'Gossip' thing on the Beeb website, Liverpool are considering an £8m bid for Long's services. He sure as Hell won't be coming here any time soon.
this
apart from a few loan deals cant see any permament deals with establised pl players
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Striker, Keeper, centre mid. Priorities
Matt raises a fair point, Debuchy is better than what we currently have available, therefore is an upgrade. Not necessarily a priority position but definitely an upgrade. I agree with this too aj but I wonder whether all of this in one month is too much to hope for?
It should have been done in the summer. Too late now I know but the summer business was just not enough.
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The thing with Long is, as far as I've seen, he works like a dog.
And Tuesday showed the difference someone working hard up top made us.
According to the 'Gossip' thing on the Beeb website, Liverpool are considering an £8m bid for Long's services. He sure as Hell won't be coming here any time soon.
Well that's the problem we face full stop. Good players have better options.
However we should definitely try to square the circle by trying to get the big man back for six months.
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I don't see how debuchy is an odd signing. He should be comfortably better than any of the right backs we have
He is 30, why are we attempting to sign old players again?
He may be better than what we have, although Richards is just as good in my opinion but we have more pressing concerns than right back than using up a loan option.
It is very, so what!
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I did wonder if our Randy would throw a few quid around during the window but it looks like his gambling days are well and truly in the past.
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I did wonder if our Randy would throw a few quid around during the window but it looks like his gambling days are well and truly in the past.
It was probably an effort for him to release a few lines of mumbo jumbo about government quasi departments or something.
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If the club really do want to try and stay in this division the best we can hope for this window is to bring in quality players in on loan who will have the motivation to perform well in our desperate situation. Debuchy fits that bill, as will any international hoping to play in the Euros in the summer who is currently out of the first team and needs game time.
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Is the move for Debuchy any further forward or is it still just that comment from Garde and idle paper gossip?
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Is the move for Debuchy any further forward or is it still just that comment from Garde and idle paper gossip?
Surely Arsene will help his old mate Remi?
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I don't see how debuchy is an odd signing. He should be comfortably better than any of the right backs we have
He is 30, why are we attempting to sign old players again?
He may be better than what we have, although Richards is just as good in my opinion but we have more pressing concerns than right back than using up a loan option.
It is very, so what!
30 isn't old, and for the sake of 5 months, does it matter?
He'd be better than anyone we've at right back now. But more importantly he's a first step to improving the team and could be a factor in other potential signings thinking we're worth a risk.
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I don't see how debuchy is an odd signing. He should be comfortably better than any of the right backs we have
He is 30, why are we attempting to sign old players again?
He may be better than what we have, although Richards is just as good in my opinion but we have more pressing concerns than right back than using up a loan option.
It is very, so what!
30 isn't old, and for the sake of 5 months, does it matter?
He'd be better than anyone we've at right back now. But more importantly he's a first step to improving the team and could be a factor in other potential signings thinking we're worth a risk.
Plus it'll be a loan and nothing more. And he's miles better than anything else we can play there.
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clearly Garde isn't going to play Richards there because he'd have played today. Debuchy is better than Richards and Bacuna so in that regard for the rest of the season an improvement.
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30 isn't old for crying out loud. We need players for the here and now, and Debuchy is better than anything we've got in that position.
Get him in.
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Garde wasn't exactly excited about potential signings in his TV interview, poo poo'd the Lescott deal too.
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Garde wasn't exactly excited about potential signings in his TV interview, poo poo'd the Lescott deal too.
I think it was more of him keeping his cards close to his chest. Well I hope so anyway.
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Everyone knows what we need but I think it'll be too late by then.
Goal scorer
Defensive midfielder x2
Left back
Goalkeeper
They don't need to be world beaters, but they need to be men & reliable Premiership performers. Not many would take Whelan or Adams from Stoke nor Huth from Leicester but they're all men & know their job. Everything in front of the defence is too lightweight, shite or both.
If we are being honest, we are probably not going to get too many in. I would settle for a permanent signing of a keeper, a midfielder to replace Westwood in the current formation and a striker with some pace.
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Debuchy I would put in the category of Veretout, Okore, Gana, Ayew as the Indians in the team, steady, decent players but we need a few leaders and game changers.
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Interesting if we get Sane and Debuchy, if Sane is played in front of the back 4 and Gueye moved into where Westwood is. I hope not, because Gueye has had his best 2 games for months back to back in front of the back 4. At least it gives options.
Desperately need a couple of forward though, one wide and pacey, one to score through the middle.
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He won't sign for us though. We are not exactly hot property at the minute.
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We may want to look at Altidore if we get relegated.
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To show what we don't need?
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We may want to look at Altidore if we get relegated.
Looking at Altidore is like looking at a burning car on the motorway. You take a glance and drive on.
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We may want to look at Altidore if we get relegated.
Looking at Altidore is like looking at a burning car on the motorway. You take a glance and drive on.
Sorry - a poor piss take. There was a WUM on here a couple of years ago Villakicks who used to mention him
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Debuchy I would put in the category of Veretout, Okore, Gana, Ayew as the Indians in the team, steady, decent players but we need a few leaders and game changers.
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Debuchy I would put in the category of Veretout, Okore, Gana, Ayew as the Indians in the team, steady, decent players but we need a few leaders and game changers.
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I think it was in the context of the saying "too many chiefs and not enough Indians".
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As in, the Indians are the stock, hard workers but we need more force in there? Presumably. Bunn is doing ok for now so keeper maybe no longer the priority? Replace Westwood and get a forward in are the priorities for me. We do seem to have turned a corner imo.
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If we could just get some pace and quality up front it would make a massive difference.
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We may want to look at Altidore if we get relegated.
Looking at Altidore is like looking at a burning car on the motorway. You take a glance and drive on.
Sorry - a poor piss take. There was a WUM on here a couple of years ago Villakicks who used to mention him
Admit it, You were after a cheap laugh ::)
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Has anyone suggested Jermaine Beckford yet? That carthorse was always wanted by someone on here.
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Debuchy doesn't exactly sound desperate to come here. I hope he does, as he'd be a really useful addition. But for me the priority is a striker then a goalkeeper.
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Has anyone suggested Jermaine Beckford yet? That carthorse was always wanted by someone on here.
He's banned.
Not Beckford, the poster that always used to suggest him.
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Rumours the big Croatian keeper has chosen us in the Italian press
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Debuchy I would put in the category of Veretout, Okore, Gana, Ayew as the Indians in the team, steady, decent players but we need a few leaders and game changers.
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aj2k77 is probably an Emrati Shaikh. Loves his Indian workers😊
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Somewhere on this planet must be a half decent striker for £15m ish.
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No striker good enough to be worth £15 million is going to want to sign for a seemingly-doomed side.
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I hope to be wrong, but I think it's going to be a few seasons before we spend £10m again.
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Talking about strikers and Indians, in between Damon's helicopter rides, we saw a bloody good striker playing for Ashton United against Sutton Coldfield. Very strong and wiry, quick with two good feet. Got at least two goals in the game possibly three. Desmond kept blowing my glasses off. Trouble is I asked his age and he is 29. Perfect Indian material available for a bag of beads and a bottle of Bells.
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Debuchy doesn't exactly sound desperate to come here. I hope he does, as he'd be a really useful addition. But for me the priority is a striker then a goalkeeper.
This sounds a bit more positive, from Debuchy ( Metro a couple of hours ago):
‘Even if they are currently in trouble, Aston Villa is one of the great English clubs.
‘It is also for that reason that I do not rule out this option. I have also spoken to the coach [Remi Garde] on the phone. That went well.’....................Godzvilla!
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As in, the Indians are the stock, hard workers but we need more force in there? Presumably. Bunn is doing ok for now so keeper maybe no longer the priority? Replace Westwood and get a forward in are the priorities for me. We do seem to have turned a corner imo.
I still think we need a new keeper and that would be the only the permanent signing I would look to make (the Croatian keeper sounds promising). I agree that we need to replace Westwood in the current formation and need a striker. I think the only chance we have of getting in the type of quality players we need is on loan, so would go down that route. As much as we need a new RB, I just think bringing one in on loan now would be a waste as there are much more pressing needs if we are going to start winning games on a regular basis.
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Bit more on Debuchy from The Daily Hate: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3403478/Mathieu-Debuchy-stay-Arsenal-France-defender-options-join-Aston-Villa-Bayer-Leverkusen.html
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Shelvey pulling strings would have taken him.
Gomis Swansea would be decent.
Gk could look at dutch gk stekleberg who will need game time in fact a couple of loans from Southampton in the gk and Shane long as charlie auysyin signed would be okay
Bring Osman and Remy be decent enough
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I don't see how debuchy is an odd signing. He should be comfortably better than any of the right backs we have
He is 30, why are we attempting to sign old players again?
He may be better than what we have, although Richards is just as good in my opinion but we have more pressing concerns than right back than using up a loan option.
It is very, so what!
Not from what I've seen RB's are dire at Villa, possibly one of our weakest areas and thats saying something.
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We've conceded a lot of goals from the right back position this season. I would guess at around 6 or 7 with little more than half the season gone. Getting a competent right back would probably have a similar effect on the points column as replacing Gestede with a more polished striker. Not that I am suggesting it should be one or the other.
Arsenal saw fit to pay Newcastle 10 mill two years ago. That's not always a guarantee of quality but to get a few months out of him for a modest loan fee seems a smart move.
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More importantly, you can never have enough Debauchery.
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Premier League Loan Rules:
Premier League rules limit clubs to just two season-long domestic loans but international deals are, essentially, limitless.
League regulations also say that no side can have more than one domestic loan from the same club.
Any acquisitions would have to keep clubs in line with the quota of having a minimum of eight home grown players in their 25 man squads.
Therefore if we get Debuchy we can only get one other loan domestic signing and not from Arsenal!
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Considering that a lot of our play going forward is from the fullbacks it would make sense to bring in a better right back that can use the ball better. There is too much hesitancy in Bacuna's play which sees him stop turn and play the ball back which breaks up any momentum we have at the time. I think Garde is reluctant to play Richards there just in case Okore gets injured and is nursing the two of them to keep at least one of them fit.
If we are going to make one signing for the future, goalkeeper would make sense. Loans for the rest of the positions (CD, CM and forward) until the end of the season would make most sense as we will probably be able to get a higher calibre of player.
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Premier League Loan Rules:
Premier League rules limit clubs to just two season-long domestic loans but international deals are, essentially, limitless.
League regulations also say that no side can have more than one domestic loan from the same club.
Any acquisitions would have to keep clubs in line with the quota of having a minimum of eight home grown players in their 25 man squads.
Therefore if we get Debuchy we can only get one other loan domestic signing and not from Arsenal!
Does getting rid of Ilore free up a space or does he still count because we used a loan pick on him?
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You can only have two from the PL at any one time so we're now allowed two as long as they're not from the same club.
Debuchy & Inler seem plausible I guess.
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Cheers.
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Heavily linked on Twitter with Christian Santos, striker.
And lovre kalinic keeper
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The player himself has been linking or liking (or whatever the fuck it is you do) on Instagram articles linking us to him.
Seems big at six foot and quick, very neat in the box too. Maybe the mobile forward we need and would suit either the first or the second division.
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Considering that a lot of our play going forward is from the fullbacks it would make sense to bring in a better right back that can use the ball better. There is too much hesitancy in Bacuna's play which sees him stop turn and play the ball back which breaks up any momentum we have at the time. I think Garde is reluctant to play Richards there just in case Okore gets injured and is nursing the two of them to keep at least one of them fit.
If we are going to make one signing for the future, goalkeeper would make sense. Loans for the rest of the positions (CD, CM and forward) until the end of the season would make most sense as we will probably be able to get a higher calibre of player.
Which is strange as the attacking but should be his forte, as he was never signed as a defender. I think that demonstrates the mental state of all the players currently, they're paralysed by fear.
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Hopefully this is the week that we do some business. Three upcoming games that could be won, Baggies and West Ham away and then Norwich at home. Seven points and we might be in with a shout, particularly if we have two or three key signings in the squad too.
If we don't sign anyone at all this window it'll be because the board has completely given up any hope of staying up and want to save their money. a pointless gesture as we have an opportunity to embed players. This is not what the fans deserve at all.
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Hopefully this is the week that we do some business. Three upcoming games that could be won, Baggies and West Ham away and then Norwich at home. Seven points and we might be in with a shout, particularly if we have two or three key signings in the squad too.
If we don't sign anyone at all this window it'll be because the board has completely given up any hope of staying up and want to save their money. a pointless gesture as we have an opportunity to embed players. This is not what the fans deserve at all.
wont the west ham game be m
oved if we beat wycombe
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The West Ham game is on a Tuesday. 2nd February. the Saturday before is free for the Cup game.
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This Christian Santos fella, I'm not 100% sure but I think it's his proper twitter account and he says he has a 400k Euro buyout clause in his contract, sounds like a reasonable gamble if that is true. Looking at his obligatory youtube highlights he scores a lot with his head and turning in crosses, reminded me of Gestede's youtube clips.
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That would be good if we had a clue how to cross. There's only really Amavi and Bacuna who can do that - the one's crocked and we only seem to be playing possession football, which I would be fine with if we weren't desperate and creating things.
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This Christian Santos fella, I'm not 100% sure but I think it's his proper twitter account and he says he has a 400k Euro buyout clause in his contract, sounds like a reasonable gamble if that is true. Looking at his obligatory youtube highlights he scores a lot with his head and turning in crosses, reminded me of Gestede's youtube clips.
Just had a look at his twitter account. It's €300k for teams outside the top 4 & €500k for a top 4 team
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The player himself has been linking or liking (or whatever the fuck it is you do) on Instagram articles linking us to him.
Seems big at six foot and quick, very neat in the box too. Maybe the mobile forward we need and would suit either the first or the second division.
Just read a bit about him. He's playing in the Dutch 2nd tier isn't he?
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The player himself has been linking or liking (or whatever the fuck it is you do) on Instagram articles linking us to him.
Seems big at six foot and quick, very neat in the box too. Maybe the mobile forward we need and would suit either the first or the second division.
Just read a bit about him. He's playing in the Dutch 2nd tier isn't he?
No, he plays for NEC Nijmegen in the top flight.
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Well at the price he might be worth a look to see if he can be useful in the Championship next season
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I don't think this is the time to be shopping in the bargain basement again.
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We have a choice?
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The player himself has been linking or liking (or whatever the fuck it is you do) on Instagram articles linking us to him.
Seems big at six foot and quick, very neat in the box too. Maybe the mobile forward we need and would suit either the first or the second division.
Just read a bit about him. He's playing in the Dutch 2nd tier isn't he?
No, he plays for NEC Nijmegen in the top flight.
Ah right. Just read that they got promoted to the top flight last season.
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I don't think this is the time to be shopping in the bargain basement again.
I don't either. I would rather have quality players on loan than cheap gambles in our predicament.
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This Christian Santos fella, I'm not 100% sure but I think it's his proper twitter account and he says he has a 400k Euro buyout clause in his contract, sounds like a reasonable gamble if that is true. Looking at his obligatory youtube highlights he scores a lot with his head and turning in crosses, reminded me of Gestede's youtube clips.
Just had a look at his twitter account. It's €300k for teams outside the top 4 & €500k for a top 4 team
He seriously has the terms of his buyout clause on Twitter?
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17th of January and nobody in apart from recalling Sisshoko? Jeebus
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Santos's claim to fame - he scored in a World Cup qualifier against Brazil last October. Venezuela lost, as they did in their other 3 qualifiers so far.
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17th of January and nobody in apart from recalling Sisshoko? Jeebus
Indeed. Teams around us already strengthening yet we sit on our hands. It's not good enough.
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17th of January and nobody in apart from recalling Sisshoko? Jeebus
Indeed. Teams around us already strengthening yet we sit on our hands. It's not good enough.
To be fair we've got no idea what's going on behind the scenes.
Unfortunately we can't just chloroform a couple of likely suspects along with their manager's and agent's then say "just signed here" when they wake up.
Garde was pretty explicit when he joined about having discussed targets for January.
I'd guess the disastrous Christmas period put a hole in any deals we'd got lined up.
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This Christian Santos fella, I'm not 100% sure but I think it's his proper twitter account and he says he has a 400k Euro buyout clause in his contract, sounds like a reasonable gamble if that is true. Looking at his obligatory youtube highlights he scores a lot with his head and turning in crosses, reminded me of Gestede's youtube clips.
Just had a look at his twitter account. It's €300k for teams outside the top 4 & €500k for a top 4 team
He seriously has the terms of his buyout clause on Twitter?
There's an interview posted of him on his account and above it he wrote something like '' just to be clear these are the terms blah blah blah''
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17th of January and nobody in apart from recalling Sisshoko? Jeebus
Indeed. Teams around us already strengthening yet we sit on our hands. It's not good enough.
The nightmare end to December, casting us completely adrift has done for us in most players eyes I fear.
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I suppose the hope wold be that you'd pick up somebody like that little racist Vardy rather than a Gestede. He's quick and mobile, with a good technique. Pace covers a multitude of sins in this league.
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It does Ads. It would make me chuckle if we paid 300k for a guy and he came in and scored a few between now and May and Albion have his much more expensive strike partner at international level for about 40 times the price struggling for goals. Small consolation. Although Rondon I do actually think is a decent player.
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Someone on a Stoke forum says Marc Wilson is joining us for 4.5m.
Never struck me as anything but average but he has been a regular for them over last 5 years and one of those can play fullbacks, centre half, Dm types.
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Someone on a Stoke forum says Marc Wilson is joining us for 4.5m.
Never struck me as anything but average but he has been a regular for them over last 5 years and one of those can play fullbacks, centre half, Dm types.
Underwhelmed.
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Seems quite steep. Being linked with Keane from Burnley again too.
Wilson would give cover at left back, centre half and holding midfield. I would doubt Sane would be coming too if he is coming though.
Type of player you need in the Championship though.
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Keane was highly rated when he broke through and playing umpteen matches in the championship should have help develop his game.
Probably the highest level of signing we can hope for given our predicament.
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why do people call Vardy a racist ?
He's obviously done or said something that I haven't seen so just wondering
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why do people call Vardy a racist ?
He's obviously done or said something that I haven't seen so just wondering
If I remember correctly he said something in a Chinese takeaway.
Although a silly thing to do, many thought it had been blown up out of proportion, though.
Someone will more than likely have a more informative reply
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Japanese not Chinese. Casino not takeaway.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-city-face-another-racism-6221444
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Wasn't there an incident in a Casino with some Japanese folk ?
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Someone on a Stoke forum says Marc Wilson is joining us for 4.5m.
Never struck me as anything but average but he has been a regular for them over last 5 years and one of those can play fullbacks, centre half, Dm types.
Wilson is rubbish, but if we end up in the Championship he'd probably be alright.
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What on earth are they playing out and how in hell have we NOT brought anybody at all in yet? Newcastle spend big on Shelvey, and by all accounts he was sensational in the win at the weekend against West Ham. Just imagine if we'd had a decent striker to put a chance or two away against Leicester.
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Japanese not Chinese. Casino not takeaway.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-city-face-another-racism-6221444
The incident involved Vardy and a Chinese lad at a poker table. Vardy didn't like Chinese kid standing behind him whilst he was playing and it went from there...with Vardy referring to the lad as a 'jap'. which obviously upset the Chinese lad.
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17th of January and nobody in apart from recalling Sisshoko? Jeebus
Joe Bennett is back as well
...and Riccardo Calder, who I thought looked pretty good in pre-season
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I like the look of Keane at Burnley and would sadly suggest that he'd be an upgrade on Ciaran Clark. I think he came-up through the ranks at Man Utd, didn't he?
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17th of January and nobody in apart from recalling Sisshoko? Jeebus
Joe Bennett is back as well
...and Riccardo Calder, who I thought looked pretty good in pre-season
As he wasn't good enough to play regularly for Dundee, I wouldn't get too excited.
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Japanese not Chinese. Casino not takeaway.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-city-face-another-racism-6221444
The incident involved Vardy and a Chinese lad at a poker table. Vardy didn't like Chinese kid standing behind him whilst he was playing and it went from there...with Vardy referring to the lad as a 'jap'. which obviously upset the Chinese lad.
Vardy's a proper horrible little chav of the 'chat shit, get banged' variety, racist to boot. If he wasn't a pro footballer he'd be driving a souped up Subaru around council estates blaring shit music out at all hours.
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...and Riccardo Calder, who I thought looked pretty good in pre-season
Agree about Calder. I too thought he looked good in pre-season. Dynamic and industrious. I know it was "only" pre-season, but I wonder how he might develop if brought into the first team training environment.
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Japanese not Chinese. Casino not takeaway.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-city-face-another-racism-6221444
The incident involved Vardy and a Chinese lad at a poker table. Vardy didn't like Chinese kid standing behind him whilst he was playing and it went from there...with Vardy referring to the lad as a 'jap'. which obviously upset the Chinese lad.
Vardy's a proper horrible little chav of the 'chat shit, get banged' variety, racist to boot. If he wasn't a pro footballer he'd be driving a souped up Subaru around council estates blaring shit music out at all hours.
He does seem rather uncouth.
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I really can't stand Vardy
Anyone else wonder what's under the bandage on his arm? Is become like a Keith lemon trademark.
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Japanese not Chinese. Casino not takeaway.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-city-face-another-racism-6221444
The incident involved Vardy and a Chinese lad at a poker table. Vardy didn't like Chinese kid standing behind him whilst he was playing and it went from there...with Vardy referring to the lad as a 'jap'. which obviously upset the Chinese lad.
Vardy's a proper horrible little chav of the 'chat shit, get banged' variety, racist to boot. If he wasn't a pro footballer he'd be driving a souped up Subaru around council estates blaring shit music out at all hours.
Do not see what the big fuss is about him , the media love him , but to me he is quick and runs about alot ,( even gabby was half that ) flash in the pan for me
I would be disappointed if he started for England
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Japanese not Chinese. Casino not takeaway.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-city-face-another-racism-6221444
Is that it? I thought he was some kind KKK Grand Wizard the way some on here have been going on about him.
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I really can't stand Vardy
Anyone else wonder what's under the bandage on his arm? Is become like a Keith lemon trademark.
It's a tattoo of himself under the bandage. He keeps it covered up as it looks even more like Mr.Punch than he does.
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I really can't stand Vardy
Anyone else wonder what's under the bandage on his arm? Is become like a Keith lemon trademark.
It's a tattoo of himself under the bandage. He keeps it covered up as it looks even more like Mr.Punch than he does.
;D
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Japanese not Chinese. Casino not takeaway.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicester-city-face-another-racism-6221444
Is that it? I thought he was some kind KKK Grand Wizard the way some on here have been going on about him.
Being racist is like being pregnant. You are are or you're not.
I would be struck off, not just sacked, if I were filmed racially abusing somebody. Football has always been chock full of ****** mind.
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I really can't stand Vardy
Neither can I.
He looks like the sort of person you'd catch breaking into your shed.
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And escaping in a Vauxhall Nova with under floor LEDs clinging onto the rust.
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make that a chavved up Saxo vtr
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He couldn't afford it. It would be the blacked out Nova with the sub-woofer taking up the entire boot. Different colour bonnet too.
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I really can't stand Vardy
Neither can I.
He looks like the sort of person you'd catch breaking into your shed.
Or when it's the first warm day of the year in early April, walking topless down the high street with a can of Tyskie and wearing Reebok classics.
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I really can't stand Vardy
Anyone else wonder what's under the bandage on his arm? Is become like a Keith lemon trademark.
A bad tattoo that says 'Mom'
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And escaping in a Vauxhall Nova with under floor LEDs clinging onto the rust.
Jumping into a getaway car wouldn't be a first for him according to the mirror (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/leicesters-england-rookie-jamie-vardy-5824505). Once a chav always a chav
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He looks like the sort of person you'd catch breaking into your shed.
That's amused me more than it probably should have.
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I like Jamie Vardy.
I like that he's a common as muck lad who is having an amazing three years. The racist thing, in a world where everything you do canbe caught on camera, you're not allowed to make mistakes it seems.
His movement was very good on Saturday, and the attempted lob over Bunn was class. He caused us a lot of problems, I had no idea how quick he was.
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I like Jamie Vardy.
I like that he's a common as muck lad who is having an amazing three years. The racist thing, in a world where everything you do canbe caught on camera, you're not allowed to make mistakes it seems.
His movement was very good on Saturday, and the attempted lob over Bunn was class. He caused us a lot of problems, I had no idea how quick he was.
The thing is, though, that I don't think it's completely unreasonable to suspect (even if it's just based how he's a mouthy twit on the pitch) that it's not the first time he's engaged in nonsense of that sort - only that it's the first time he's been captured on camera doing so.
Decent player, though.
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What makes him dangerous is his ability to read forward passes, and gamble. I don't think he is electric pace, but he is already at full chat when most CB's are starting to turn. Remember when we had players like that? Agbonlahor about 20 years ago
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I like Jamie Vardy.
I like that he's a common as muck lad who is having an amazing three years. The racist thing, in a world where everything you do canbe caught on camera, you're not allowed to make mistakes it seems.
His movement was very good on Saturday, and the attempted lob over Bunn was class. He caused us a lot of problems, I had no idea how quick he was.
Or as an alternative, don't come out with that kind of shit to start with.
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I like Jamie Vardy.
I like that he's a common as muck lad who is having an amazing three years. The racist thing, in a world where everything you do canbe caught on camera, you're not allowed to make mistakes it seems.
His movement was very good on Saturday, and the attempted lob over Bunn was class. He caused us a lot of problems, I had no idea how quick he was.
Or as an alternative, don't come out with that kind of shit to start with.
That'd be my view as well, so Vardy isn't racist he's just had the bad luck of being filmed being racist? Sorry but that's nonsense.
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Maybe its just some of his best friends are racist. That's probably ok then
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I like Jamie Vardy.
I like that he's a common as muck lad who is having an amazing three years. The racist thing, in a world where everything you do canbe caught on camera, you're not allowed to make mistakes it seems.
His movement was very good on Saturday, and the attempted lob over Bunn was class. He caused us a lot of problems, I had no idea how quick he was.
Or as an alternative, don't come out with that kind of shit to start with.
That'd be my view as well, so Vardy isn't racist he's just had the bad luck of being filmed being racist? Sorry but that's nonsense.
Can you imagine the fun if that had been John Terry?
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I hate Vardy. He has one of those faces.
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I like Jamie Vardy.
I like that he's a common as muck lad who is having an amazing three years. The racist thing, in a world where everything you do canbe caught on camera, you're not allowed to make mistakes it seems.
His movement was very good on Saturday, and the attempted lob over Bunn was class. He caused us a lot of problems, I had no idea how quick he was.
Or as an alternative, don't come out with that kind of shit to start with.
That'd be my view as well, so Vardy isn't racist he's just had the bad luck of being filmed being racist? Sorry but that's nonsense.
Can you imagine the fun if that had been John Terry?
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7120/7602288118_3683e40918_b.jpg)
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I hate Vardy. He has one of those faces.
I've been thinking about who he reminded me of in terms of attitude, manner and Neanderthal like forehead.
Lee Bowyer!
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I like Jamie Vardy.
I like that he's a common as muck lad who is having an amazing three years. The racist thing, in a world where everything you do canbe caught on camera, you're not allowed to make mistakes it seems.
His movement was very good on Saturday, and the attempted lob over Bunn was class. He caused us a lot of problems, I had no idea how quick he was.
Or as an alternative, don't come out with that kind of shit to start with.
That'd be my view as well, so Vardy isn't racist he's just had the bad luck of being filmed being racist? Sorry but that's nonsense.
He was a regular at the casino and knew there was camera and microphone on the game.
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Are we getting a Ferrari?, this being reported on various sites ...................Godzvilla!
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/aston-villa-set-for-talks-tomorrow-to-sign-defender-bid-imminent
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Bid imminent? Wouldn't we need a bid accepted in order to be able to talk to him?
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Are we getting a Ferrari?, this being reported on various sites ...................Godzvilla!
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/aston-villa-set-for-talks-tomorrow-to-sign-defender-bid-imminent
Serie B defender. Jesus will we ever learn?
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18th of Jan. This is pathetic. There are no excuses the this lack of activity. Being in the relegation zone or even bottom adrift certainly is not an excuse. Teams obviously going down have made big signings in January to either prepare or put up a fight.
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I like Jamie Vardy.
I like that he's a common as muck lad who is having an amazing three years. The racist thing, in a world where everything you do canbe caught on camera, you're not allowed to make mistakes it seems.
His movement was very good on Saturday, and the attempted lob over Bunn was class. He caused us a lot of problems, I had no idea how quick he was.
Or as an alternative, don't come out with that kind of shit to start with.
That'd be my view as well, so Vardy isn't racist he's just had the bad luck of being filmed being racist? Sorry but that's nonsense.
Can you imagine the fun if that had been John Terry?
(https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7120/7602288118_3683e40918_b.jpg)
Quite impressive to find a picture of John Terry where John Terry isn't the biggest twat in the photo.
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Surprising to see a Paddy Power ad in that shot. JT spends most of his time working for Joe Coral allegedly.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
He would take one look at our league position and think no thanks. That's the reality of being so far adrift in this window.
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plus we can't afford him.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
He would take one look at our league position and think no thanks. That's the reality of being so far adrift in this window.
He's going to Norwich for crying out loud. Offer him a relegation get out clause and get him in. Have we forgotten that we're a big club? I know the chairman has but I didn't think the fans had.
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plus we can't afford him.
I'm sure we could find the money from somewhere at a push. Nearly every club around us are strengthening while we sit on our hands.
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plus we can't afford him.
I'm sure we could find the money from somewhere at a push. Nearly every club around us are strengthening while we sit on our hands.
They have more hope than us, no point in us throwing the dice. Let's go for it with our existing squad plus a couple of loans- lower division purchases.
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I like Naismith but if he's a player who Garde doesn't think will fit in with his plans, then fair enough.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
An attacker who averages around five goals per season? I think we've got plenty of those.
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Naismith - for £8.5m.
That is daylight robbery. He is bobbins.
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And for around ten million quid as well.
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I like Jamie Vardy.
I like that he's a common as muck lad who is having an amazing three years. The racist thing, in a world where everything you do canbe caught on camera, you're not allowed to make mistakes it seems.
His movement was very good on Saturday, and the attempted lob over Bunn was class. He caused us a lot of problems, I had no idea how quick he was.
Or as an alternative, don't come out with that kind of shit to start with.
That'd be my view as well, so Vardy isn't racist he's just had the bad luck of being filmed being racist? Sorry but that's nonsense.
You see this is what I mean. Once it's filmed, or written down on the Internet, that's it. An opinion of that person is formed. Nobody is perfect, except people on the Internet and take the moral high ground.
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I've always thought Naismith is a bit like Weimann, runs around a lot but doesn't score many. At 29 it's unlikely he'll improve much, and at a reported £8.5m i'd pass.
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I like Jamie Vardy.
I like that he's a common as muck lad who is having an amazing three years. The racist thing, in a world where everything you do canbe caught on camera, you're not allowed to make mistakes it seems.
His movement was very good on Saturday, and the attempted lob over Bunn was class. He caused us a lot of problems, I had no idea how quick he was.
Or as an alternative, don't come out with that kind of shit to start with.
That'd be my view as well, so Vardy isn't racist he's just had the bad luck of being filmed being racist? Sorry but that's nonsense.
You see this is what I mean. Once it's filmed, or written down on the Internet, that's it. An opinion of that person is formed. Nobody is perfect, except people on the Internet and take the moral high ground.
If I heard somebody using racist language in a pub I'd assume they were racist as well. I don't see what it "being on the internet" has to do with it.
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I've always thought Naismith is a bit like Weimann, runs around a lot but doesn't score many.
I'd say that's a pretty solid comparison.
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I would too, Dave. However, that's not to say that that person would think better of it in the cold light of day, when not in an argument, and realise what they said was out of order, but because it's documented or recorded, it becomes a stick to beat you with.
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And here is another thing on our shocking management of squad values. This time of year you can prey on the desperate. So....
Why was auxiliary right back Reo Coker not sold for 5 million in in a January window? Why were the MON bomb squad not loaned out for half a season at a million a pop?
The most annoying thing about how our financial plight crippled us (and the speed the changes were made at are very much at Lerner's door), how the profligacy of MON could have been checked with those sort of moves, how everyone used Lerner's bank account as a slush fund and carte blanche to be sloppy or downright negligent when it came to appropriate organisation/structure/efficiency, the fact it was all so bloody avoidable, is what really sticks in my craw.
No wider plan, no building, just short term fix after short term sodding fix. That is how we have ended up where we are.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
An attacker who averages around five goals per season? I think we've got plenty of those.
He's a fighter. I'd have him in our team over any of our strikers at the moment.
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Could not agree more Stuart. I said exactly that when posters were lining up to slag off Nathan Baker and deny him a contract extension. Nathan Baker will make us a tidy profit when sold to a desperate club wanting to kick their way out of trouble. January is the time to sell, not to buy.
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I like Jamie Vardy.
I like that he's a common as muck lad who is having an amazing three years. The racist thing, in a world where everything you do canbe caught on camera, you're not allowed to make mistakes it seems.
His movement was very good on Saturday, and the attempted lob over Bunn was class. He caused us a lot of problems, I had no idea how quick he was.
Or as an alternative, don't come out with that kind of shit to start with.
That'd be my view as well, so Vardy isn't racist he's just had the bad luck of being filmed being racist? Sorry but that's nonsense.
You see this is what I mean. Once it's filmed, or written down on the Internet, that's it. An opinion of that person is formed. Nobody is perfect, except people on the Internet and take the moral high ground.
No you're right no one is perfect. But not everyone uses a person's ethnicity as part of a first retort in that sort of altercation.
The guy had obviously been annoying him, so why not focus on that? Then there's no problem.
I can't think of a situation where I'd throw up someone's race or nationality, unless it was something where the use was definitely understood as jovial. E.g. "Bloody Norwegian design engineers" to one of my colleagues in Bergen.
I have however known plenty of people whose first resort is like Vardy's. If you challenge them, their first response is almost inevitably along the lines of, "I 'ay racist. Chinky Joe / Paki Sam is my best mate."
Or to differentiate it between another old school situation.
Getting caught having a couple of beers the night before the game would be stupid, unprofessional and make you look like a dick.
Getting caught in a verbal altercation with someone where the first thing you do is raise the other person's ethnicity makes you look like a racist.
The first one would maybe raise questions as to whether you've got an alcohol problem.
The second one will raise questions about your views towards people of a non white European background.
Or us it all OK because he plays with Okazaki?
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Yeah, Naismith is more streetwise than Weimann. There's no shame in being kept out by the attackers Everton have, I think he's a decent signing.
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Could not agree more Stuart. I said exactly that when posters were lining up to slag off Nathan Baker and deny him a contract extension. Nathan Baker will make us a tidy profit when sold to a desperate club wanting to kick their way out of trouble. January is the time to sell, not to buy.
And whilst I can understand some demanding we buy our way out of trouble, it is exactly the reason why I wouldn't blow any chance of coming straight back on the "forlorn hope".
You never know, it might come off. It's a fucking high stakes gamble if it doesn't though. Particularly if your planning suggests a cake walk next season for X investment.
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Naismith is like a slightly better version of Jonathon Walters. He'll score goals in the Championship though if they go down.
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It's not ok, it's never ok, and I agree with mostly what you're saying VID. I'm not condoning it at all. Just saying that a throwaway comment captured in the heat of a disagreement doesn't always tell the story of a person.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
An attacker who averages around five goals per season? I think we've got plenty of those.
He's a fighter. I'd have him in our team over any of our strikers at the moment.
I'd have Ayew ahead of him as either a wide-forward (where they are both more comfortable) or as a centre-forward. Because Ayew is both a "fighter" and a decent goalscorer as well.
If we're spending £9m on a new forward, Steven Naismith is miles down the list of where it would be best spent, regardless of whether it might by a tiny upgrade on Sinclair or Gestede.
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Sinclair can keep the bench warm. I don't like the idea of us selling him to our main rivals for the drop.
Tough shit if you're ready to quit us Scotty, maybe when you get another sniff don't keep running down blind alleys trying to dazzle up three players when a simple pass is on!!
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£8.5m?
The world has truly gone mad.
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And here is another thing on our shocking management of squad values. This time of year you can prey on the desperate. So....
Why was auxiliary right back Reo Coker not sold for 5 million in in a January window? Why were the MON bomb squad not loaned out for half a season at a million a pop?
The most annoying thing about how our financial plight crippled us (and the speed the changes were made at are very much at Lerner's door), how the profligacy of MON could have been checked with those sort of moves, how everyone used Lerner's bank account as a slush fund and carte blanche to be sloppy or downright negligent when it came to appropriate organisation/structure/efficiency, the fact it was all so bloody avoidable, is what really sticks in my craw.
No wider plan, no building, just short term fix after short term sodding fix. That is how we have ended up where we are.
the short termism point is exactly right, joe cole, richardson, senderos and lescott most recently
we need to look at the way we do everything from ticket prices to have 40k in the ground every week, to a complete overhaul of the academy, to loaning our youngsters out at the right time, to teaching players how to take corners the list is endless buj with the right people we can do it
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Sinclair can keep the bench warm. I don't like the idea of us selling him to our main rivals for the drop.
Tough shit if you're ready to quit us Scotty, maybe when you get another sniff don't keep running down blind alleys trying to dazzle up three players when a simple pass is on!!
I love the idea of selling him to Swansea. As you say, he'll only be warming the bench here. Far better to put a passenger in the Swansea side. It'd be like playing with 10 men.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
An attacker who averages around five goals per season? I think we've got plenty of those.
He's a fighter. I'd have him in our team over any of our strikers at the moment.
I'd have Ayew ahead of him as either a wide-forward (where they are both more comfortable) or as a centre-forward. Because Ayew is both a "fighter" and a decent goalscorer as well.
If we're spending £9m on a new forward, Steven Naismith is miles down the list of where it would be best spent, regardless of whether it might by a tiny upgrade on Sinclair or Gestede.
I'm not calling for Naismith to replace Ayew, I want him to play with him. We're desperate to stay in this league, and if that means paying over the odds in January then so be it. Needs must and all that.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
He would take one look at our league position and think no thanks. That's the reality of being so far adrift in this window.
He's going to Norwich for crying out loud. Offer him a relegation get out clause and get him in. Have we forgotten that we're a big club? I know the chairman has but I didn't think the fans had.
how is a relegation clause going to help us?
come to villa and if it goes tits up you can bugger off for less money than we paid for you?
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I would too, Dave. However, that's not to say that that person would think better of it in the cold light of day, when not in an argument, and realise what they said was out of order, but because it's documented or recorded, it becomes a stick to beat you with.
It's a cautionary tale. If he's a figure in the public eye, then maybe he should be a bit more careful about the words that he uses. Or be more careful to not start arguments in casinos in the first place. Maybe the whole experience means that he's taken stock of what he thinks is appropriate or not and has become a better person because of it?
I don't think that what he did or said was the worst crime in the world - but nor is somebody thinking that you're a racist bell-end the worst punishment.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
An attacker who averages around five goals per season? I think we've got plenty of those.
He's a fighter. I'd have him in our team over any of our strikers at the moment.
I'd have Ayew ahead of him as either a wide-forward (where they are both more comfortable) or as a centre-forward. Because Ayew is both a "fighter" and a decent goalscorer as well.
If we're spending £9m on a new forward, Steven Naismith is miles down the list of where it would be best spent, regardless of whether it might by a tiny upgrade on Sinclair or Gestede.
I'm not calling for Naismith to replace Ayew, I want him to play with him. We're desperate to stay in this league, and if that means paying over the odds in January then so be it. Needs must and all that.
I know we are all desperate for something to happen but seriously, £8.5m for Naismith is bat shit crazy.
For too long we have had wide attackers / strikers that neither create or score enough goals. We don't need another.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
An attacker who averages around five goals per season? I think we've got plenty of those.
He's a fighter. I'd have him in our team over any of our strikers at the moment.
I'd have Ayew ahead of him as either a wide-forward (where they are both more comfortable) or as a centre-forward. Because Ayew is both a "fighter" and a decent goalscorer as well.
If we're spending £9m on a new forward, Steven Naismith is miles down the list of where it would be best spent, regardless of whether it might by a tiny upgrade on Sinclair or Gestede.
I'm not calling for Naismith to replace Ayew, I want him to play with him. We're desperate to stay in this league, and if that means paying over the odds in January then so be it. Needs must and all that.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for a new striker to come in. But if we're spending £9m, I want somebody who brings more to the table than a 29 year old who scores five goals per season.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
He would take one look at our league position and think no thanks. That's the reality of being so far adrift in this window.
He's going to Norwich for crying out loud. Offer him a relegation get out clause and get him in. Have we forgotten that we're a big club? I know the chairman has but I didn't think the fans had.
how is a relegation clause going to help us?
come to villa and if it goes tits up you can bugger off for less money than we paid for you?
Well okay then, how about showing a bit of ambition? Speculate to accumulate etc?
It's only our Premier League status we're taking chances with here.
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The trouble is, any striker worth that sort of money is likely to think he can do better than a side looking almost certain to go down.
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I don't envy them buying naismith but I do envy their willingness to spend money to stay in the league.
I'm starting to suspect we've decided against trying.
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I don't envy them buying naismith but I do envy their willingness to spend money to stay in the league.
I'm starting to suspect we've decided against trying.
There was a stench of that as early as November, in my opinion.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
He would take one look at our league position and think no thanks. That's the reality of being so far adrift in this window.
He's going to Norwich for crying out loud. Offer him a relegation get out clause and get him in. Have we forgotten that we're a big club? I know the chairman has but I didn't think the fans had.
how is a relegation clause going to help us?
come to villa and if it goes tits up you can bugger off for less money than we paid for you?
Well okay then, how about showing a bit of ambition? Speculate to accumulate etc?
It's only our Premier League status we're taking chances with here.
a bonus to stay up?
i think that apart from continental signings we are really going to struggle to attract anyone who is currently playing in the pl
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I don't envy them buying naismith but I do envy their willingness to spend money to stay in the league.
I'm starting to suspect we've decided against trying.
Or we keep getting knock backs?
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I think we are so far behind the 8 ball that players like Naismith are neither here nor there.
To keep us up, we need some kind of wild card signing, that could go as badly wrong as it could go right.
The real issue for me was losing 2 of our best players from last season and not replacing them adequately, but I guess we have done that to death on here.
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Norwich going for Naismith from Everton. This is exactly the type of player we should be going in for when you're in a relegation battle.
He would take one look at our league position and think no thanks. That's the reality of being so far adrift in this window.
He's going to Norwich for crying out loud. Offer him a relegation get out clause and get him in. Have we forgotten that we're a big club? I know the chairman has but I didn't think the fans had.
how is a relegation clause going to help us?
come to villa and if it goes tits up you can bugger off for less money than we paid for you?
Well okay then, how about showing a bit of ambition? Speculate to accumulate etc?
It's only our Premier League status we're taking chances with here.
a bonus to stay up?
i think that apart from continental signings we are really going to struggle to attract anyone who is currently playing in the pl
surely staying in the pl has to be worth one last massive gamble.
30 to 40 million of lerners money would equate to how much of the everyday fans?
a drop in the ocean I would imagine,i hope he realizes the enormity of all this
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There is no justification for not having anyone by now.
We need someone to give us a boost, it's up to the management, transfer committee whoever calls the shots to sort it out.
No one is asking for loads of money to be thrown about, just abit of economical thinking to be used.
As it stands it looks like the white flag has been raised.
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I don't envy them buying naismith but I do envy their willingness to spend money to stay in the league.
I'm starting to suspect we've decided against trying.
I think there might be an element of that, but I suspect a lot of it is that any potential targets have looked at our position and thought, 'fuck that'. It's a really delicate balancing act, I obviously want us to stay up but I don't want us wrecklessly hurling money at a situation that looks pretty bleak. I'd just hope if we're not spending money in the anticipation of going down, that we are fully prepared and willing to do what's needed to come straight back up.
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a bonus to stay up?
i think that apart from continental signings we are really going to struggle to attract anyone who is currently playing in the pl
Could be right, but we havent signed anyone from foreign leagues either. There is no excuse. The club have known our desperate need for new players since early November. The new players should have been here the first week in January after doing all the hard work in December to get them signed up.
Instead it appears Lerner and crew thought making changes at the board room level somehow counts as acting to help the crisis, it is not. We need spending and players and we needed it weeks ago.
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If we can't get the right players to sign for us we should at least have a Plan B with a long list of targets to bring in on loan. Money should resolve any problems they have about spending 5 months with a team sat at the bottom of the Premier League.
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a bonus to stay up?
i think that apart from continental signings we are really going to struggle to attract anyone who is currently playing in the pl
Could be right, but we havent signed anyone from foreign leagues either. There is no excuse. The club have known our desperate need for new players since early November. The new players should have been here the first week in January after doing all the hard work in December to get them signed up.
Instead it appears Lerner and crew thought making changes at the board room level somehow counts as acting to help the crisis, it is not. We need spending and players and we needed it weeks ago.
Any player worth his salt will not join Villa until all other avenues are explored and deadline day is looming. Sad but unfortunately true.
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I'm hoping we stick in a cheeky loan inquiry on 'The Beast' returning for the rest of the season. He evidently doesn't fit into Herr Klopp's plans, so perhaps he'll see the benefits of giving Mr B regular first team game-time elsewhere before he's flogged in the Summer?
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a bonus to stay up?
i think that apart from continental signings we are really going to struggle to attract anyone who is currently playing in the pl
Could be right, but we havent signed anyone from foreign leagues either. There is no excuse. The club have known our desperate need for new players since early November. The new players should have been here the first week in January after doing all the hard work in December to get them signed up.
Instead it appears Lerner and crew thought making changes at the board room level somehow counts as acting to help the crisis, it is not. We need spending and players and we needed it weeks ago.
Any player worth his salt will not join Villa until all other avenues are explored and deadline day is looming. Sad but unfortunately true.
And I think a perfect example of that is Debuchy. His interview screamed, 'I'm going to wait and see if a better option comes along and if not I'll think about it'.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
Yeah an "attacking" Habib Beye.
File under "no thanks".
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a bonus to stay up?
i think that apart from continental signings we are really going to struggle to attract anyone who is currently playing in the pl
Could be right, but we havent signed anyone from foreign leagues either. There is no excuse. The club have known our desperate need for new players since early November. The new players should have been here the first week in January after doing all the hard work in December to get them signed up.
Instead it appears Lerner and crew thought making changes at the board room level somehow counts as acting to help the crisis, it is not. We need spending and players and we needed it weeks ago.
Any player worth his salt will not join Villa until all other avenues are explored and deadline day is looming. Sad but unfortunately true.
It might be true, but the way I see it other clubs who are bottom of the league in the past have spent big and signed players. So we have not done so either because:
A.) we are somehow especially toxic to players for some reason beyond the likes of QPR, Sunderland, Leciester etc
or
B.) Lerner, Fox and the club have messed up a transfer window, again.
I go for B.
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I don't envy them buying naismith but I do envy their willingness to spend money to stay in the league.
I'm starting to suspect we've decided against trying.
There was a stench of that as early as November, in my opinion.
My opinion too... The fact that we outlayed a minor net spend (£4.5m??) in the summer told me everything I didn't want to know....
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It's not about Naismith, it's the fact we seem to have no plan z..
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There must be some international strikers out of favour for the club who would love to jump to Villa so he can raise his profile for Euro 2016. Whoever we sign permanent or on loan we need to make sure he will hit it running and start scoring goals something like 18 goals in next 15 games.
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Would Adrian Ramos fit the bill?
http://www.kickoff.co.uk/62383/aston-villa-target-sensational-deal-for-bundesliga-marksman/
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
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I've only skimmed the last couple of pages after the Vardy's debate, but are people really advocating spending somewhere between £8-10M for Naismith and wanting to pair him with Ayew?
The fee for Naismith is bonkers.
He'd either be back up to it instead of Ayew. Both similar attributes in the way they play the game. One is proven average, the other has shown real touches of class.
There's as much argument for pairing Ayew and Naismith as there is for pairing Kozak and Gestede. There isn't one. They're too similar a type of player.
It's the sort of deal MON would have done and on 3 years time whoever gets him will still be paying him God knows how much a week with no use for him.
He's not going to score goals at the rate Bent did to keep us up justifying the loss on fees and wages.
If you think Naismith is the answer to your missing goals to fight relegation, either your problem isn't that big or you've got it wrong.
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Would Adrian Ramos fit the bill?
http://www.kickoff.co.uk/62383/aston-villa-target-sensational-deal-for-bundesliga-marksman/
Is this one of those bullshit websites?
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Of course it is.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.
Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
I take it you were slagging MON off when we were challenging for a Champions League place? Besides anything else, it wasn't the manager who was responsible for the wages & contracts given to the players - but I doubt if that would change your opinion of him. I guess we all have our own version of events...
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MON was not my fave manager but he is in no way responsible for the club not signing anyone so far this window.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.
Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.
Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?
It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.
Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.
Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?
It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.
The reason why we haven't been able to sign good established PL players (other than Bent) over the last 5 years is because of the wages legacy left by MON which just about crippled us.
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I suspect that many were along the right lines when they claimed we should plan for the Championship - that seems to be how the club see our chances. We're nine points from safety, which is doable if not likely, but there hasn't been much enthusiasm to try and cut that gap by doing anything other than letting Garde get on with it with what he has. I also wouldn't be surprised to learn that the signing policy is so short-term that any additions won't be joining us on our trips to the Banks's and the Sty.
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Really? Why did we pay Shay given circa 60k a week for 5 years then? Darren Bent and Charles N'zogbia somewhere in the same region? We're they not established premier league players at the time?
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.
Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.
Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?
It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.
I agree that we've been managed appallingly, I'd say from the day Lerner got the keys to Villa Park.
From the above list I'd say we got reasonable value from Bent and Vlaar for their contribution to keeping us up in their respective first 2 seasons. You could make an argument for Given earning at least some of his value with his contribution to keeping us up under McLeish. A couple of saves at the Sandwell Truck Stop immediately spring to mind.
It's not ludicrous to mention MON when the point was that the shit storm started when Faulkner called him out on flogging a couple of the likes of Beye to free up funds for McGeady and Keane if I remember rightly. As I said, how it's been managed since is another story, but that's the point where it started to unravel and MON had a degree of culpability in us reaching that point.
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Really? Why did we pay Shay given circa 60k a week for 5 years then? Darren Bent and Charles N'zogbia somewhere in the same region? We're they not established premier league players at the time?
I think you missed the word 'good'. The signing of Given and N'Zogbia was to satisfy a new manager but Lerner new about as much as McLeish on what was required.
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Really? Why did we pay Shay given circa 60k a week for 5 years then? Darren Bent and Charles N'zogbia somewhere in the same region? We're they not established premier league players at the time?
I think you missed the word 'good'. The signing of Given and N'Zogbia was to satisfy a new manager but Lerner new about as much as McLeish on what was required.
Well that's the fault of those managers and our scouting. MON didn't drain the well completely dry and I don't think we can carry on blaming him. We've had more money than other clubs in this division. Our wage bill has remained higher than many others. We've just mis-spent. We're reportedly paying Traore a lot of money. Some of those French lads won't be on peanuts either. We're not the only club who doesn't go and hand out 100k a week contracts to top names, but I think we could have spent our money wislier and perhaps tempted better players in. We could have gone for qaulity over quantity.
The other thing is also our position. We've been so unerringly wretched that it's probably been hard to attract players here who don't have a fatal flaw. That might be for example a Lescott who is a big name player but is 33, or Richards who has a big reputation but had played fuck all in the previous 2 years.
The money has been there to sign "good" premier league players. We've just not spent the money wisely and we've not been in anything like a good position to tempt players. We've been linked with plenty of names over the last 5 years. Players which for one reason or another chose not to come here.
As for this window? How in the hell would we attract anyone here short of doing something foolish and paying double what someone's worth like QPR did with players like Samba.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.
Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.
Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?
It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.
I agree that we've been managed appallingly, I'd say from the day Lerner got the keys to Villa Park.
From the above list I'd say we got reasonable value from Bent and Vlaar for their contribution to keeping us up in their respective first 2 seasons. You could make an argument for Given earning at least some of his value with his contribution to keeping us up under McLeish. A couple of saves at the Sandwell Truck Stop immediately spring to mind.
It's not ludicrous to mention MON when the point was that the shit storm started when Faulkner called him out on flogging a couple of the likes of Beye to free up funds for McGeady and Keane if I remember rightly. As I said, how it's been managed since is another story, but that's the point where it started to unravel and MON had a degree of culpability in us reaching that point.
I'd argue Shorey and Luke Young did as much for the club as Given and Vlaar. All not very much, but did we not get fees back for Shorey and Young too? How much did we get back for Given and Vlaar?
I honestly think MON walking out stopped affecting us at the point we finished 9th, having bought Bent in January. Or it should have. The fuckwittery of Faulkner and Lerner took over then.
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Really? Why did we pay Shay given circa 60k a week for 5 years then? Darren Bent and Charles N'zogbia somewhere in the same region? We're they not established premier league players at the time?
I think you missed the word 'good'. The signing of Given and N'Zogbia was to satisfy a new manager but Lerner new about as much as McLeish on what was required.
It's easy to say that in retrospect. At the time, there were people on heroes and villains that thought N'zogbia was an upgrade on Young, and that Shay Given was still a class keeper. My point was more that we could still afford to pay them big wages, so MON can't have crippled the wage bill that much.
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Bit harsh on Luke Young - started 75 matches in three seasons.
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Bit harsh on Luke Young - started 75 matches in three seasons.
And for the most part was generally solid. He's comfortably the best right back we've had since Delaney and to be honest is probably pushing for best left back since Freddie (given we've not seen enough of Amavi yet sadly). I think he worked out to be a decent signing, albeit overpriced.
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Bit harsh on Luke Young - started 75 matches in three seasons.
And for the most part was generally solid. He's comfortably the best right back we've had since Delaney and to be honest is probably pushing for best left back since Freddie (given we've not seen enough of Amavi yet sadly). I think he worked out to be a decent signing, albeit overpriced.
He was only overpriced because of what he went for the year before. 5 and a bit million wasn't a huge fee for someone who like you say was a mostly solid premier league player. Did we get a fee when he left? Can't remember.
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I suspect that many were along the right lines when they claimed we should plan for the Championship - that seems to be how the club see our chances. We're nine points from safety, which is doable if not likely, but there hasn't been much enthusiasm to try and cut that gap by doing anything other than letting Garde get on with it with what he has. I also wouldn't be surprised to learn that the signing policy is so short-term that any additions won't be joining us on our trips to the Banks's and the Sty.
isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.
Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.
Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?
It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.
The reason why we haven't been able to sign good established PL players (other than Bent) over the last 5 years is because of the wages legacy left by MON which just about crippled us.
So absolutely nothing to do with our wonderful owner pulling the spending plug; sanctioning the flogging-off of any quality players we've had & replacing them with cheapo options; employing a succession of poor managers & inadequate chancers in key positions at the club; being a self-styled 'custodian' of our historic club & hiding in silence on t'other side of the pond...etc...etc ?
I'm glad it's nothing to do with Uncle Randolph, otherwise we might really be in the shite.
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Without wishing to turn this into another MON debate, one thing he did do in his time at the club was make any sort of DoF/CEO role impossible. Randy, being the bloke he is, took MON's actions at face value and subsequently we spent the best part of 5 years with our destiny solely in the hands of a bunch of manager seemingly selected at random.
So whilst his transfer approach was, at best, blinkered he also restricted our prospects moving forward by making sure that he was 'the' authority at the club leaving a vacuum when he left.
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Bit harsh on Luke Young - started 75 matches in three seasons.
Yes, in fact he was so good he ended up being played on the other side to cover the inadequacy of MON's left back signings.
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Bit harsh on Luke Young - started 75 matches in three seasons.
Yes, in fact he was so good he ended up being played on the other side to cover the inadequacy of MON's left back signings.
Whilst you're right, its worth remembering it turned out to be one of the best back fours in the league that year.
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Bit harsh on Luke Young - started 75 matches in three seasons.
Yes, in fact he was so good he ended up being played on the other side to cover the inadequacy of MON's left back signings.
I liked him. One of those solid 7/10 most weeks kind of players. He worked hard and kept on going even during personal tragedy.
We could do with a few more with his attitude. Not spectacular, not brilliant but solid and reliable.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.
Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.
Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?
It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.
Isn't the point that by building his own little autocracy, and then leaving in a fit of pique, MON ensured that (or at least significantly contributed to) there wasn't anyone in the club in a position to monitor or guide transfer policy. Yes, of course Randy shouldn't have let things get into that position and bears his share of the blame, but his failure was placing too much faith in MON.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.
Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.
Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?
It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.
Isn't the point that by building his own little autocracy, and then leaving in a fit of pique, MON ensured that (or at least significantly contributed to) there wasn't anyone in the club in a position to monitor or guide transfer policy. Yes, of course Randy shouldn't have let things get into that position and bears his share of the blame, but his failure was placing too much faith in MON.
surely then you have to blame who took over mons roll/rolls for what happened next
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And when MON left, and then had the temerity to take the club to court for changing his working terms and conditions, Randy lost all love for the game and as a result of MON's shameless lack of loyalty. Both to blame in equal measure.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?
I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.
Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.
Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?
It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.
Isn't the point that by building his own little autocracy, and then leaving in a fit of pique, MON ensured that (or at least significantly contributed to) there wasn't anyone in the club in a position to monitor or guide transfer policy. Yes, of course Randy shouldn't have let things get into that position and bears his share of the blame, but his failure was placing too much faith in MON.
Lerner's biggest mistake was to buy us in the first place - given his miserable 'reign' at The 'Browns. Perhaps he thought he'd be in the money regardless of his input? A fool & their dosh...
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.
Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.
Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?
It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.
Isn't the point that by building his own little autocracy, and then leaving in a fit of pique, MON ensured that (or at least significantly contributed to) there wasn't anyone in the club in a position to monitor or guide transfer policy. Yes, of course Randy shouldn't have let things get into that position and bears his share of the blame, but his failure was placing too much faith in MON.
That's the structure he was allowed to build by someone who had never run a football club. You may be right. My real problem is the theory that MON left us with no money and a shit squad. That's just utter rubbish IMO. The autocracy on transfers like you suggest should have been dealt with in the summer we finished 9th and appointed Alex McLeish
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?
I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?
Again. Darren Bent, Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given. He isn't the only one to fill the squad with those.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?
I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?
Oh give over, you're always trying to pin blame on O'Neill for our woes so stop trying to pretend otherwise. He left five and a half years ago after his third top 6 finish in the trot. He is not to blame for our decline, that blame lies directly at the door of our glorious owner.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?
I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?
Again. Darren Bent, Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given. He isn't the only one to fill the squad with those.
And handing out huge contracts to past his best Agbonlahor as well. To blame O'Neill for the huge wage mistakes is laughable when we've done it again and again since. At least O'Neill can point to results and top 6 finishes to back himself up.
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The common them running through each manager's time has been the inability to sell players, other than the stars of the team. The reason for this is almost definitely due to how much we were paying them.
I have nothing against paying our best players good wages but we have wasted so much money on average players.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?
I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?
Can we cut back a bit on this sort of thing please.
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The common them running through each manager's time has been the inability to sell players, other than the stars of the team. The reason for this is almost definitely due to how much we were paying them.
I have nothing against paying our best players good wages but we have wasted so much money on average players.
And now we go down the road of paying peanuts for players, and we know that attracts.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?
I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?
Can we cut back a bit on this sort of thing please.
yep sorry, I shouldn't have said that.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?
I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?
Can we cut back a bit on this sort of thing please.
yep sorry, I shouldn't have said that.
I forgive you.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?
I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?
Oh give over, you're always trying to pin blame on O'Neill for our woes so stop trying to pretend otherwise. He left five and a half years ago after his third top 6 finish in the trot. He is not to blame for our decline, that blame lies directly at the door of our glorious owner.
I'm not saying that at all. You blame Lerner when the sun doesn't shine or tea isn't hot or you run out of toothpaste. I get it, everything is his fault. But why should he sanction the spending on the type of player MON used to sign that contributed to the financial problems we subsequently encountered? How does signing who is 29 for close to 10m with fees/wages and no sell on value make any sense at all? Steven Naismith in player terms is akin to saddling up Tony Pulis as manager. He might help us stay up but then you have deal with the fact that you still have him the morning after as he declines quickly in value and worth.
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Why shouldn't he sanction the spending on players when we're facing relegation? I don't remember us fans being so shy under previous owners so why should Lerner be such a special case? If I remember rightly no one held a gun to his head and forced him to buy the club, and I'd at least expect him to do enough to keep a club the size of Villa in the Premier League where it belongs. How about Lerner having a bit of pride in the club for a change?
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?
I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?
Oh give over, you're always trying to pin blame on O'Neill for our woes so stop trying to pretend otherwise. He left five and a half years ago after his third top 6 finish in the trot. He is not to blame for our decline, that blame lies directly at the door of our glorious owner.
I'm not saying that at all. You blame Lerner when the sun doesn't shine or tea isn't hot or you run out of toothpaste. I get it, everything is his fault. But why should he sanction the spending on the type of player MON used to sign that contributed to the financial problems we subsequently encountered? How does signing who is 29 for close to 10m with fees/wages and no sell on value make any sense at all? Steven Naismith in player terms is akin to saddling up Tony Pulis as manager. He might help us stay up but then you have deal with the fact that you still have him the morning after as he declines quickly in value and worth.
if we bought a five legged donkey for 50m quid and it kept us up I wouldn't give a fuck
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The Naismith argument is nonsense really. For all we know Garde might not have wanted him anyway. I think it's a bit desperate to use Steven Naismith signing for someone else as a stick to beat Lerner with.
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The Naismith argument is nonsense really. For all we know Garde might not have wanted him anyway. I think it's a bit desperate to use Steven Naismith signing for someone else as a stick to beat Lerner with.
Is that what we were arguing about? He's shit anyway
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The Naismith argument is nonsense really. For all we know Garde might not have wanted him anyway. I think it's a bit desperate to use Steven Naismith signing for someone else as a stick to beat Lerner with.
Naismith ain't a bad player, but it's the total lack of any player incoming that's the problem.
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The Naismith argument is nonsense really. For all we know Garde might not have wanted him anyway. I think it's a bit desperate to use Steven Naismith signing for someone else as a stick to beat Lerner with.
Naismith ain't a bad player, but it's the total lack of any player incoming that's the problem.
I like him as well, but that's a lot of money, well too much really for someone who's nearly 30. As for the lack of players coming in, if we're having trouble getting the players that Garde wants, then there's no point in panic buying and Naismith at £8.5m would have been a massive panic buy.
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The Naismith argument is nonsense really. For all we know Garde might not have wanted him anyway. I think it's a bit desperate to use Steven Naismith signing for someone else as a stick to beat Lerner with.
Naismith ain't a bad player, but it's the total lack of any player incoming that's the problem.
I like him as well, but that's a lot of money, well too much really for someone who's nearly 30. As for the lack of players coming in, if we're having trouble getting the players that Garde wants, then there's no point in panic buying and Naismith at £8.5m would have been a massive panic buy.
We're rock bottom of the league. The longer we leave it the bigger the panic will be.
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To be honest, in the state were in, I don't think anything other than loans or low cost punts are what we should go for. We are down bar the shouting, and any players worth buying won't touch us with a shitty stick. Had we had a good December, been within a point of Newcastle, or Bournemouth and not signed anyone by now, I'd be annoyed. But really, if you're a good premier league footballer, why would you join Villa right now?
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The Naismith argument is nonsense really. For all we know Garde might not have wanted him anyway. I think it's a bit desperate to use Steven Naismith signing for someone else as a stick to beat Lerner with.
Naismith ain't a bad player, but it's the total lack of any player incoming that's the problem.
I like him as well, but that's a lot of money, well too much really for someone who's nearly 30. As for the lack of players coming in, if we're having trouble getting the players that Garde wants, then there's no point in panic buying and Naismith at £8.5m would have been a massive panic buy.
We're rock bottom of the league. The longer we leave it the bigger the panic will be.
Yes I know but to be honest, unless we're gambling on someone who's going to make a difference, I don't see the point in buying just anybody and being rock bottom is not helping things anyway.
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Exactly Glasses. We're down so why waste time and money on players till the end of a doomed season with relegation clauses. Plan for next year, if that means we sign no one this window then fine.
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Whether we are rock bottom or not, we still need to strengthen for next season regardless of the division we are in.
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To be honest, in the state were in, I don't think anything other than loans or low cost punts are what we should go for. We are down bar the shouting, and any players worth buying won't touch us with a shitty stick. Had we had a good December, been within a point of Newcastle, or Bournemouth and not signed anyone by now, I'd be annoyed. But really, if you're a good premier league footballer, why would you join Villa right now?
Then imho we should be signing good players for the Championship. They might help kepe us up and will regardless get more time to gel for next season.
Zero signings means to me we have not only given up on survival but are assuming a new manager at end of season as well. Given this board's track record on managers in the premier league I am terrified how badly they can recruit in the Championship.
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Whether we are rock bottom or not, we still need to strengthen for next season regardless of the division we are in.
Yes thats right but that might be best done in the Summer. If it is then we should wait as our fate for this season is already been decided.
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The time to strengthen for next season is in the summer. The only exception to this would be if a player is available and his contract runs out in the summer.
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The summer is the only time that even good championship players will want to move. They won't want to swap getting promoted with a decent championship side to get relegated with us to play in the championship again next year. It's common sense.
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Whether we are rock bottom or not, we still need to strengthen for next season regardless of the division we are in.
Yes thats right but that might be best done in the Summer. If it is then we should wait as our fate for this season is already been decided.
no it isnt
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I thought there may be some exciting news when I saw that this thread had suddenly jumped several pages. Someone mentioned O'Neill, I should have known ;D
The point was valid enough, Naismith for 8.5 mill is exactly the kind of deal O'Neill would have tipped his hat to. Fkin nuts. How that shows the current club management in a bad light is beyond me.
It's fair to say that things can seem pretty bad when your transfer target prefers to move to a less illustrious club and you are left watching a collection of free transfers, lower league cheapos, unkowns from the continent and ex youthers supplemented by the odd big buy. But who cares about Everton's problems.
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Everyone has a different take on the cause of our demise, the truth is there is no single event it is a culmination of many things. O'Neil left us in the shit no doubt, the timing of his departure couldn't have been worse for the club. He left us with many journeymen players on huge salaries that we couldn't sell also true, but when you look at the squad back then it was still competitive, not for challenging the top teams but certainly against the middle order. Whatever occurred after O'Neil was sheer breathtaking incompetence, I don't think apart from buying Darren Bent that the powers that be got any decision right, it has been a litany of failures. For me it comes down to a conclusion that from the day that O'Neil walked out all thought of competing at the top vanished taking with it any ambition Lerner had for the club. Lerner was in it for the glory not to be an also ran, the dream died and he left others to make one terrible appointment after another.
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There's lots of culprits who have played various roles in our demies but the one constant is Randy Lerner, the chief bungler.
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Whether we are rock bottom or not, we still need to strengthen for next season regardless of the division we are in.
Yes thats right but that might be best done in the Summer. If it is then we should wait as our fate for this season is already been decided.
no it isnt
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Would you like a bet on that?
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if we bought a five legged donkey for 50m quid and it kept us up I wouldn't give a fuck
So this chap is available if that's what you mean?
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileMenu
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So to sum up.
Some people think we're f##ked and there's no point getting anyone in.
Some people think we're f##ked, but think we should be getting players in to improve the back end of the season and prepare for next season if the right players are available AND willing to come.
Some people think we're f##ked but think that signing the likes of Steven Naismith on that sort of contract is a good idea as it would at least show we're doing something.
*EDIT* Forgot to add that some people still believe we can crawl our way out of it with.
My own gut feeling is that it's the "AND willing to come" bit that we're struggling with with regards to getting anyone in and as others have said, will be looking at us as pretty much the the option of last resort.
With regards Naismith. For a couple of million towards the end of his contract, fair enough. For £8M plus, you're having a laugh. A slightly better Andreas Weimann with a Scottish accent.
Spending £8M on someone of comparable ability to Amavi or Ayew, fair enough.
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Naismith for £3m would have been a good signing. Not for £8m + survival add ons.
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Hopefulluy this is true.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/635986/Arsenal-Mathieu-Debuchy-Transfer-News-1-2m-Loan-Fee-Aston-Villa-Agreed (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/635986/Arsenal-Mathieu-Debuchy-Transfer-News-1-2m-Loan-Fee-Aston-Villa-Agreed)
Definite upgrade from Hutton.
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That's a lot of money for a couple of months.
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I'd like Debuchy to join, but if we're bothering with that we really need a goalkeeper and a striker.
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That's a lot of money for a couple of months.
It does suggest that money is not the problem, its getting players to agree to come that Villa are struggling with
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I'd like Debuchy to join, but if we're bothering with that we really need a goalkeeper and a striker.
Agree. We definitely need a better option at RB, but I don't think it is a priority right now. If we are going to be spending big fees on loans, I would rather a midfielder and striker.
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I'd like Debuchy to join, but if we're bothering with that we really need a goalkeeper and a striker.
Agree. We definitely need a better option at RB, but I don't think it is a priority right now. If we are going to be spending big fees on loans, I would rather a midfielder and striker.
I don't think Richards is prepared to be even a short term solution at right back judging by the game against Wycombe and recent team selections. Debuchy coming would allow Bacuna to compete for a midfield slot, and hopefully consign Hutton to non-footballing duties only. We desperately need a striker (Remy on loan, if Chelsea sign Pato?) and a GK.
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Honestly, if we're talking about Arsenal players who theoretically might be available for loan, I'd take Oxlade-Chamberlain. Yes, he's flawed, but he wouldn't be available if he wasn't, and he ticks plenty of the boxes that we could use (pace, technical quality, can play out wide or in a three-man midfield, should be motivated, no worries about fitting into the EPL.)
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Joe Bennett's apparently off to Sheff Wednesday....Garde must have been impressed after 2 weeks training and lining the cones up
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Honestly, if we're talking about Arsenal players who theoretically might be available for loan, I'd take Oxlade-Chamberlain. Yes, he's flawed, but he wouldn't be available if he wasn't, and he ticks plenty of the boxes that we could use (pace, technical quality, can play out wide or in a three-man midfield, should be motivated, no worries about fitting into the EPL.)
Is he available?
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Honestly, if we're talking about Arsenal players who theoretically might be available for loan, I'd take Oxlade-Chamberlain. Yes, he's flawed, but he wouldn't be available if he wasn't, and he ticks plenty of the boxes that we could use (pace, technical quality, can play out wide or in a three-man midfield, should be motivated, no worries about fitting into the EPL.)
Is he available?
On initial thought, I thought he might be, but having looked up their injury situation, maybe not so much. Thought the likes of Cazorla, Wilshere and Welbeck would all be back sooner than they're being projected at this current point in time. He just sprung up in my mind because he started on the weekend, and looked somewhat underdone.
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Honestly, if we're talking about Arsenal players who theoretically might be available for loan, I'd take Oxlade-Chamberlain. Yes, he's flawed, but he wouldn't be available if he wasn't, and he ticks plenty of the boxes that we could use (pace, technical quality, can play out wide or in a three-man midfield, should be motivated, no worries about fitting into the EPL.)
Would be ideal, but sadly I can't see that one happening. There were rumours that Chelsea were lining up a bid for him.
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I'd like Debuchy to join, but if we're bothering with that we really need a goalkeeper and a striker.
Agree. We definitely need a better option at RB, but I don't think it is a priority right now. If we are going to be spending big fees on loans, I would rather a midfielder and striker.
I don't think Richards is prepared to be even a short term solution at right back judging by the game against Wycombe and recent team selections. Debuchy coming would allow Bacuna to compete for a midfield slot, and hopefully consign Hutton to non-footballing duties only. We desperately need a striker (Remy on loan, if Chelsea sign Pato?) and a GK.
To be fair, I think we have four positins that need urgent attention and they are GK, RB, CM (to play where Westwood is currently playing) and CF. We need to win games and I think our best chance of doing that is bringing in good players in the midfield and forward positions. We are probably not going to get the quality we need in those positions on a permanent basis at the moment, so those are the two positions I would look to fill with loans. If it means Bunn in goal and Bacuna at RB for the rest of the season then so be it. Remy would be a great loan signing, but I have got a feeling that the likes of N'Zogbia and Gabby might have to be shifted before anyone like that can come in.
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apparently Vidic is on a free...
UTV
The Doc
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Well, luckily, Karen Brady has some advice for us... phew, thanks Karen.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/18/karren-brady-gives-transfer-window-advice-to-aston-villa-and-ran/
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I've got some advice for Karren if anyone wants to hear it...
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Karen Brady has a face like a tractor tyre
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Still obsessed I see. Once a Blue, always a Twat.
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That's what I don't get. Is why on earth we are constantly her topic of conversation? The insecurity caused by being for years merely the shit on the underside of our shoes must be immense.
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Still obsessed I see. Once a Blue, always a Twat.
I was thinking exactly the same. We must have really got under her scales at the Sty.
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She's a poor man's Barabara Berlusconi.
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Let's all thank her and her new face for the advice. Hope she didn't forget to send Big Ron's son Dalian a Christmas card.
Who's next to give us advice Mr Tumnus?
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No way Ox Chamber is available. He is part of Arsenal first 15 or so players.
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That's what I don't get. Is why on earth we are constantly her topic of conversation? The insecurity caused by being for years merely the shit on the underside of our shoes must be immense.
It's not just her. It seems everyone who is involved with that club at any level becomes infected with an irrational hatred and obsession with Aston Villa which continues even after they left that hole (see Robbie Savage as another example). I can't think of another club in the country like it.
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It's simple. We are their everything.
I've known Noses that see a defeat for us as more enjoyable than a win for them. It's unbelievable how they think.
I've often thought we should sell Season tickets for the away end at VP, I reckon there's a few that would get more out of that than go down to their own God forsaken shit hole.
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I cant stand her but agree with her on this one
Can't see the point in spending big money in this window for the obvious reasons
I think we should concentrate on developing what we have and try and get some playing convidence in the team ready for the inevitable
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I think most of us would push her down the chute before any of the others, the classless whore.
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.
Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.
Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?
It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.
Isn't the point that by building his own little autocracy, and then leaving in a fit of pique, MON ensured that (or at least significantly contributed to) there wasn't anyone in the club in a position to monitor or guide transfer policy. Yes, of course Randy shouldn't have let things get into that position and bears his share of the blame, but his failure was placing too much faith in MON.
That's the structure he was allowed to build by someone who had never run a football club. You may be right. My real problem is the theory that MON left us with no money and a shit squad. That's just utter rubbish IMO. The autocracy on transfers like you suggest should have been dealt with in the summer we finished 9th and appointed Alex McLeish
You seem to be making it look as if there was a limitless pot of money that we were able to dip in whenever a manager saw fit.
It was Lerner's money, not the club 's, not mine,not yours .He had his finger's well and truly burnt by a man in whom he trusted to be doing the right things....put yourself in Lerner's position what would you have done?....left the tap on?
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Hopefulluy this is true.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/635986/Arsenal-Mathieu-Debuchy-Transfer-News-1-2m-Loan-Fee-Aston-Villa-Agreed (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/635986/Arsenal-Mathieu-Debuchy-Transfer-News-1-2m-Loan-Fee-Aston-Villa-Agreed)
Definite upgrade from Hutton.
Pass Debuchy on the left hand side ;)
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isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?
O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!
No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.
Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.
Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?
It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.
Isn't the point that by building his own little autocracy, and then leaving in a fit of pique, MON ensured that (or at least significantly contributed to) there wasn't anyone in the club in a position to monitor or guide transfer policy. Yes, of course Randy shouldn't have let things get into that position and bears his share of the blame, but his failure was placing too much faith in MON.
That's the structure he was allowed to build by someone who had never run a football club. You may be right. My real problem is the theory that MON left us with no money and a shit squad. That's just utter rubbish IMO. The autocracy on transfers like you suggest should have been dealt with in the summer we finished 9th and appointed Alex McLeish
You seem to be making it look as if there was a limitless pot of money that we were able to dip in whenever a manager saw fit.
It was Lerner's money, not the club 's, not mine,not yours .He had his finger's well and truly burnt by a man in whom he trusted to be doing the right things....put yourself in Lerner's position what would you have done?....left the tap on?
His reluctance however to invest properly over the last few seasons is going to cost him an awful lot more.
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Part of our problem is shifting out the deadwood to make room (financially) for new signings, as well as convincing players to join us.
Only players that have been frozen out of PL (or foreign equivalent) squads, or who are currently in the championship or lower would seriously consider joining us.
Plus nobody seems interested in taking Gabby, N'Zog, etc' off our hands, so we are stuck.
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Well, luckily, Karen Brady has some advice for us... phew, thanks Karen.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/18/karren-brady-gives-transfer-window-advice-to-aston-villa-and-ran/
Has she advised us to pay £15m for an injury prone Andy Carroll?
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I think most of us would push her down the chute before any of the others, the classless whore.
She already looks like she's been down the chute and hit the ground face first. She can fuck off back to Dr Moreau's Island the nob.
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Well, luckily, Karen Brady has some advice for us... phew, thanks Karen.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/18/karren-brady-gives-transfer-window-advice-to-aston-villa-and-ran/
To be fair, there's probably nobody else with more experience of preparing for relegation to the Championship, so she may know a thing or two...and I did giggle childishly when I realised that her title is the Chairman of Vice :)...oh the simple pleasures of a fan in murderous mode.
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Has she overseen relegations at both SHA and WHam, or did she arrive when WHam were already back up?
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He boss is on SSN now looking decidedly dodgy. His eyes are doing odd things, and he must be sat on a high chair.
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Listening to Sullivan talk, I am more and more convinced they are just lucky fumblers as owners, not genius owners that people make out. Even quoting that Payet was bought on stats as much as anything.
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Christian Atsu is a strange one. Plays with Ayew for Ghana, has a good international record, but not played at Everton or Bournemouth. Could be worth a look as a loan as he is a natural wide man in a 3. If Sinclair is going and Remy is not available from Chelsea.
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Has she overseen relegations at both SHA and WHam, or did she arrive when WHam were already back up?
I think both of her cuddly, lovely clubs went in 2010 if I remember right...and I think she left the Blues and went straight to Wet Sham around Christmas 2010
as a mate of mine always says when a question needs answering.....Google it
UTV
The Doc
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Some reports out of Croatia claiming the keeper we've been linked with is a done deal. Don't know anything about him other than he's fucking massive.
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6' 7" ! Eat dust Brad
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Shouldn't he be in a James Bond film?
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6'7"...'kinell!
I hope he's agile
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I am concerned lack of activity and news for striker to play among with Ayew as we can't hope Kozak is the man to save us. I seen Southampton getting Charlie Austin for 4 millions last week. Remi Garde must know someone who can do a great job :(
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A keeper is vital as our current incumbents are going to cost us more points.
Fingers crossed the new chap signs and settles immediately.
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We'll have to get some deeper nets
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6'7"...'kinell!
I hope he's agile
From the Youtube I've seen - he gets down like a bag of cement - shot-stopping extremely good - it has to be - the defence he plays behind looks more porous than ours
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Well, luckily, Karen Brady has some advice for us... phew, thanks Karen.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/18/karren-brady-gives-transfer-window-advice-to-aston-villa-and-ran/
Has she advised us to pay £15m for an injury prone Andy Carroll?
I think she has some special techniques to get him fit for transfer.
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Looks pretty good this keeper:
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Part of our problem is shifting out the deadwood to make room (financially) for new signings, as well as convincing players to join us.
Only players that have been frozen out of PL (or foreign equivalent) squads, or who are currently in the championship or lower would seriously consider joining us.
Plus nobody seems interested in taking Gabby, N'Zog, etc' off our hands, so we are stuck.
It's hardly surprising - given that they were both awarded extended, lucrative contracts: and did sod-all to deserve them (and now just do sod-all). Some folk will blame that on MON for that fab bit o' business too, no doubt... ::)
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I am concerned lack of activity and news for striker to play among with Ayew as we can't hope Kozak is the man to save us. I seen Southampton getting Charlie Austin for 4 millions last week. Remi Garde must know someone who can do a great job :(
Don't panic, Adebeyour is still a available.
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I am concerned lack of activity and news for striker to play among with Ayew as we can't hope Kozak is the man to save us. I seen Southampton getting Charlie Austin for 4 millions last week. Remi Garde must know someone who can do a great job :(
Don't panic, Adebeyour is still a available.
I can just imagine having him, Gestede and Kozak as a front 3. The pace would be frightening.
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I am concerned lack of activity and news for striker to play among with Ayew as we can't hope Kozak is the man to save us. I seen Southampton getting Charlie Austin for 4 millions last week. Remi Garde must know someone who can do a great job :(
Did I hear correctly that Southampton are paying Austin £100kpw ? Think Sullivan was spouting it so may bollox though.
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Hopefulluy this is true.
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/635986/Arsenal-Mathieu-Debuchy-Transfer-News-1-2m-Loan-Fee-Aston-Villa-Agreed (http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/635986/Arsenal-Mathieu-Debuchy-Transfer-News-1-2m-Loan-Fee-Aston-Villa-Agreed)
Definite upgrade from Hutton.
Pass Debuchy on the left hand side ;)
Oh Bravo!
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6'7"...'kinell!
I hope he's agile
From the Youtube I've seen - he gets down like a bag of cement - shot-stopping extremely good - it has to be - the defence he plays behind looks more porous than ours
YouTube makes everyone look brilliant though. Sometimes I just want to see him collect a routine cross or stop a backpass from going between his legs in the net. Or simply kick the ball out with conviction and not 6 yards directly to Sergio Fucking Aguero. I know it's boring but I'd rather my keeper never had to make spectacular saves and just ensure he didn't make any stupid mental mistakes. I accept its a little more challenging to show on a 90 sec YouTube clip.
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In the history of YouTube, has anyone ever uploaded a video without horrendously shit music in the background?
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Christian Atsu is a strange one. Plays with Ayew for Ghana, has a good international record, but not played at Everton or Bournemouth. Could be worth a look as a loan as he is a natural wide man in a 3. If Sinclair is going and Remy is not available from Chelsea.
I hope we sign him just so I can annoy people next to me by keep asking who he is then saying "bless you" when they answer.
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6'7"...'kinell!
I hope he's agile
From the Youtube I've seen - he gets down like a bag of cement - shot-stopping extremely good - it has to be - the defence he plays behind looks more porous than ours
YouTube makes everyone look brilliant though. Sometimes I just want to see him collect a routine cross or stop a backpass from going between his legs in the net. Or simply kick the ball out with conviction and not 6 yards directly to Sergio Fucking Aguero. I know it's boring but I'd rather my keeper never had to make spectacular saves and just ensure he didn't make any stupid mental mistakes. I accept its a little more challenging to show on a 90 sec YouTube clip.
You have saved me posting the exact same thing. Thanks TV
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Well, luckily, Karen Brady has some advice for us... phew, thanks Karen.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/18/karren-brady-gives-transfer-window-advice-to-aston-villa-and-ran/
She really is the pits. Regardless of whether it is good or bad advice, a senior official at one club should not be commenting on the affairs of another.
Utterly classless. As are the slimy twats that employ her.
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Social media (Twitter) full of stories that Lovre Kalinic is to become our new keeper.
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In the history of YouTube, has anyone ever uploaded a video without horrendously shit music in the background?
SuperHans and Jeremy in the last series.
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I would look at Patrick Bamford on loan till the end of the season. He can't do any worse up front than we have done so far.
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"Their fans are in such murderous mode they don’t know who to push down the chute first — owner Randy Lerner, boss Remi Garde (below) or the players," said Brady.
How about you first you classless clown.
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Better than half the passing staff going down her chute.
They must be the last classy owners in the whole league. They only bought West Ham to get that stadium and nothing will convince me that deal won't be very very heavily investigated in year to come.
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6'7"...'kinell!
I hope he's agile
From the Youtube I've seen - he gets down like a bag of cement - shot-stopping extremely good - it has to be - the defence he plays behind looks more porous than ours
YouTube makes everyone look brilliant though. Sometimes I just want to see him collect a routine cross or stop a backpass from going between his legs in the net. Or simply kick the ball out with conviction and not 6 yards directly to Sergio Fucking Aguero. I know it's boring but I'd rather my keeper never had to make spectacular saves and just ensure he didn't make any stupid mental mistakes. I accept its a little more challenging to show on a 90 sec YouTube clip.
You have saved me posting the exact same thing. Thanks TV
I agree entirely - but just in case our defence doesn't heed your words - he is a good last line...
Like I posted - the Split defence (pun intended) looked horrendous - and he must have kept them in matches. How many keepers do you see go full length - and catch the ball cleanly ?
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I would look at Patrick Bamford on loan till the end of the season. He can't do any worse up front than we have done so far.
Patrick from Eastenders would do a better job than the shite we currently have.
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I would look at Patrick Bamford on loan till the end of the season. He can't do any worse up front than we have done so far.
Patrick from Eastenders would do a better job than the shite we currently have.
So would Patrick from Spongebob...and he's in better shape than Gabby
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I would look at Patrick Bamford on loan till the end of the season. He can't do any worse up front than we have done so far.
Patrick from Eastenders would do a better job than the shite we currently have.
So would Patrick from Spongebob...and he's in better shape than Gabby
He's a star to be fair.
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I would look at Patrick Bamford on loan till the end of the season. He can't do any worse up front than we have done so far.
Patrick from Eastenders would do a better job than the shite we currently have.
So would Patrick from Spongebob...and he's in better shape than Gabby
He's a star to be fair.
I say he looks rather drawn.
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This could be the Croatian version of the Birmingham Mail, but fingers crossed after Guzan's showing tonight.
http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Hajduk/tabid/83/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/313591/Default.aspx
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Let's hope there's a link or two to some decent players in tonight's papers.
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6'7"...'kinell!
I hope he's agile
Knowing our luck, he's fragile instead.
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Better than half the passing staff going down her chute.
They must be the last classy owners in the whole league. They only bought West Ham to get that stadium and nothing will convince me that deal won't be very very heavily investigated in year to come.
Probably about 12 months after they've pocketed the proceeds by selling up to some dodgy Asian betting consortium (or chain of hairdressers maybe?) for £3-400M
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Pantilmon moved to Watford he would be good at villa. Decent size like this croatian but experienced in prem
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Lost his place after a lot of mistakes though.
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I'm sure his name translated is Lemon Pants. The last thing on the back of being pants for years is actually have a player called Pantilimon. Plus he's utter gash.
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I was amazed Guzan is listed at 6"4. Forster, Courtouis and Stekelenberg are similar heights to the new guy. I do think an agile big un is better than anything else in goal.
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The amount of mayhem referees allow to go on from set pieces these days a big keeper is a necessity. Guzan is never six four. If he is then he is a very easily bossed six four.
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The amount of mayhem referees allow to go on from set pieces these days a big keeper is a necessity. Guzan is never six four. If he is then he is a very easily bossed six four.
Perhaps it's high heels? It would explain his kicking.
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he's be ok for the rocky horror show though
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Crespo gone out on Loan for 6 months to Rayo Vallecano.
Just on Sky Transfer Centre.
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Crespo gone out on Loan for 6 months to Rayo Vallecano.
Just on Sky Transfer Centre.
That's the end of him then, was it just the one game against Stoke he played?
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Crespo gone out on Loan for 6 months to Rayo Vallecano.
Just on Sky Transfer Centre.
That's the end of him then, was it just the one game against Stoke he played?
One was enough.
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I had completely forgotten about Crespo.
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Crespo gone out on Loan for 6 months to Rayo Vallecano.
Just on Sky Transfer Centre.
That's the end of him then, was it just the one game against Stoke he played?
One was enough.
yes, more than enough
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On the OS too. What was the point? the same with that liverpool defender who has returned to his parent club.
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Still no one in though.
"Transfer committee" having a winter break?
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Still no one in though.
"Transfer committee" having a winter break?
Wouldn't it be nice to get in a player or two in time for the Albion game? What a lift that would give us.
It really isn't good enough.
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Crespo gone out on Loan for 6 months to Rayo Vallecano.
Just on Sky Transfer Centre.
That's the end of him then, was it just the one game against Stoke he played?
One was enough.
yes, more than enough
Crespo supposedly signed on a 3 year contract if Wikipedia to be believed.
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I didn't think Crespo was that bad against Stoke. Actually, of the three players that can play in the position, Hutton is the one I want us to shift.
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he played centre half against Southampton in the league cup too didn't he.
Useful enough squad player in the Championship.
I would think there will be a defender or 2 incoming with Ilori, Crespo and Bennett all going back out and Amavi out injured.
Swansea are now in for Sane apparently.
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Still no one in though.
"Transfer committee" having a winter break?
Wouldn't it be nice to get in a player or two in time for the Albion game? What a lift that would give us.
It really isn't good enough.
So who do you think we should kidnap then?
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Exactly VID. Take Sane for example. Clearly had talks and the player is keen to come but only on loan due to our position. The difficulty there being his club want to sell him now not loan him, so Swansea, being 10 points better off are in a position where he will likely join them not us.
Debuchy we have clearly been trying but the position makes it tough. Players will start to come when they run out of alternatives in the last week of the window, as Garde himself alluded too a week or so ago.
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I'd have thought players going out on short term loans are more interested in playing games then ending up at clubs higher up the league, and call me a cynic if you like but I'd hope it wasn't anything to do with us not offering the going rate in wages. It wouldn't be the first time we've missed out on players because of our infatuation of keeping the wage bill down.
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Still no one in though.
"Transfer committee" having a winter break?
Wouldn't it be nice to get in a player or two in time for the Albion game? What a lift that would give us.
It really isn't good enough.
So who do you think we should kidnap then?
I actually lolled.
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I'd have thought players going out on short term loans are more interested in playing games then ending up at clubs higher up the league, and call me a cynic if you like but I'd hope it wasn't anything to do with us not offering the going rate in wages. It wouldn't be the first time we've missed out on players because of our infatuation of keeping the wage bill down.
Paying 1.2m for Debuchy is not going to keep the wage bill down.
I think it has been because Garde has tried to target good players, that will have better options at the moment.
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he played centre half against Southampton in the league cup too didn't he.
Useful enough squad player in the Championship.
I would think there will be a defender or 2 incoming with Ilori, Crespo and Bennett all going back out and Amavi out injured.
Swansea are now in for Sane apparently.
Also Senderos has not been reintegrated like Cissokho has so assumably he'll be off or left out of the 25 again. With Steer, Cole and Gardner gone/loaned also there is room for 3/4 incomers now I would think.
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I'd have thought players going out on short term loans are more interested in playing games then ending up at clubs higher up the league, and call me a cynic if you like but I'd hope it wasn't anything to do with us not offering the going rate in wages. It wouldn't be the first time we've missed out on players because of our infatuation of keeping the wage bill down.
Players going out on loan are still going to be thinking about the environment that they're going into.
On top of the high probability of being associated with a relegation, there's also the not inconsiderable issue of the fact that there have been obvious problems in the dressing room, albeit looking better now.
If I was a player and I'd got the choice between signing for us now or waiting a week to see if I can rustle up a better offer, I'd sit tight. If I'd been asked at the start of January I'd have laughed.
Oh and "Cynic" 8)
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I don't have an informed opinion about Crespo one way or the other given what very little I saw of him. He had a cracking beard though.
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Him and Richards were at sea for Stoke's winner. Made bugger-all impression otherwise.
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I'd have thought players going out on short term loans are more interested in playing games then ending up at clubs higher up the league, and call me a cynic if you like but I'd hope it wasn't anything to do with us not offering the going rate in wages. It wouldn't be the first time we've missed out on players because of our infatuation of keeping the wage bill down.
Paying 1.2m for Debuchy is not going to keep the wage bill down.
I think it has been because Garde has tried to target good players, that will have better options at the moment.
This is it and it's quite simple and understandable really.
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I'd have thought players going out on short term loans are more interested in playing games then ending up at clubs higher up the league, and call me a cynic if you like but I'd hope it wasn't anything to do with us not offering the going rate in wages. It wouldn't be the first time we've missed out on players because of our infatuation of keeping the wage bill down.
Paying 1.2m for Debuchy is not going to keep the wage bill down.
I think it has been because Garde has tried to target good players, that will have better options at the moment.
This is it and it's quite simple and understandable really.
We'd like to think so. Sadly the last 5 years of scrimping and saving and limited budgets suggests it's the same old problems.
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I'd have thought players going out on short term loans are more interested in playing games then ending up at clubs higher up the league, and call me a cynic if you like but I'd hope it wasn't anything to do with us not offering the going rate in wages. It wouldn't be the first time we've missed out on players because of our infatuation of keeping the wage bill down.
Paying 1.2m for Debuchy is not going to keep the wage bill down.
I think it has been because Garde has tried to target good players, that will have better options at the moment.
This is it and it's quite simple and understandable really.
We'd like to think so. Sadly the last 5 years of scrimping and saving and limited budgets suggests it's the same old problems.
It's a bit of both.
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I'd have thought players going out on short term loans are more interested in playing games then ending up at clubs higher up the league, and call me a cynic if you like but I'd hope it wasn't anything to do with us not offering the going rate in wages. It wouldn't be the first time we've missed out on players because of our infatuation of keeping the wage bill down.
Paying 1.2m for Debuchy is not going to keep the wage bill down.
I think it has been because Garde has tried to target good players, that will have better options at the moment.
This is it and it's quite simple and understandable really.
We'd like to think so. Sadly the last 5 years of scrimping and saving and limited budgets suggests it's the same old problems.
And the same old posts.
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I'd have thought players going out on short term loans are more interested in playing games then ending up at clubs higher up the league, and call me a cynic if you like but I'd hope it wasn't anything to do with us not offering the going rate in wages. It wouldn't be the first time we've missed out on players because of our infatuation of keeping the wage bill down.
Paying 1.2m for Debuchy is not going to keep the wage bill down.
I think it has been because Garde has tried to target good players, that will have better options at the moment.
This is it and it's quite simple and understandable really.
We'd like to think so. Sadly the last 5 years of scrimping and saving and limited budgets suggests it's the same old problems.
And the same old posts.
So after Coopers you're now going to quote everything saunders says with the routine 'same old posts' mantra?
I don't agree with s-h as it is but your patronising tone is a bit repetitive. If you have a point in the argument then fair enough. S-H has his. I think that's the simple bit.
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I'd have thought players going out on short term loans are more interested in playing games then ending up at clubs higher up the league, and call me a cynic if you like but I'd hope it wasn't anything to do with us not offering the going rate in wages. It wouldn't be the first time we've missed out on players because of our infatuation of keeping the wage bill down.
Paying 1.2m for Debuchy is not going to keep the wage bill down.
I think it has been because Garde has tried to target good players, that will have better options at the moment.
This is it and it's quite simple and understandable really.
We'd like to think so. Sadly the last 5 years of scrimping and saving and limited budgets suggests it's the same old problems.
It's a bit of both.
Actually you're probably right with that.
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I'd have thought players going out on short term loans are more interested in playing games then ending up at clubs higher up the league, and call me a cynic if you like but I'd hope it wasn't anything to do with us not offering the going rate in wages. It wouldn't be the first time we've missed out on players because of our infatuation of keeping the wage bill down.
Paying 1.2m for Debuchy is not going to keep the wage bill down.
I think it has been because Garde has tried to target good players, that will have better options at the moment.
This is it and it's quite simple and understandable really.
We'd like to think so. Sadly the last 5 years of scrimping and saving and limited budgets suggests it's the same old problems.
And the same old posts.
So after Coopers you're now going to quote everything saunders says with the routine 'same old posts' mantra?
I don't agree with s-h as it is but your patronising tone is a bit repetitive. If you have a point in the argument then fair enough. S-H has his. I think that's the simple bit.
I apologise if I'm being repetitive about S_H being repetitive.
Not too sure what you mean by 'after Coopers' but to save everyone reading another row, explain to me on pm.
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I'd have thought players going out on short term loans are more interested in playing games then ending up at clubs higher up the league, and call me a cynic if you like but I'd hope it wasn't anything to do with us not offering the going rate in wages. It wouldn't be the first time we've missed out on players because of our infatuation of keeping the wage bill down.
Paying 1.2m for Debuchy is not going to keep the wage bill down.
I think it has been because Garde has tried to target good players, that will have better options at the moment.
This is it and it's quite simple and understandable really.
We'd like to think so. Sadly the last 5 years of scrimping and saving and limited budgets suggests it's the same old problems.
And the same old posts.
So after Coopers you're now going to quote everything saunders says with the routine 'same old posts' mantra?
I don't agree with s-h as it is but your patronising tone is a bit repetitive. If you have a point in the argument then fair enough. S-H has his. I think that's the simple bit.
I apologise if I'm being repetitive about S_H being repetitive.
Not too sure what you mean by 'after Coopers' but to save everyone reading another row, explain to me on pm.
It's okay, I forgive you.
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You did the same with Coopers Injury (or whatever his new name was). Anyway, back to transfers...or not...
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I think the players having better options, or at least hoping for them, makes perfect sense. Look at the interview with Debuchy he was clearly saying he hopes something better is offered to him, but he wanted to keep the Villa option open.
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Crespo gone out on Loan for 6 months to Rayo Vallecano.
Just on Sky Transfer Centre.
I'm sure someone said at the time and it may have been Archie our Italian fan, that he'd been on loan at a Second Division Italian side and was crap.
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archie was spot on
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So far we have managed to recall Cissokho to apparently solve our left back problem (and to be fair to him he's done well since returning) and brought no one else in.
We have however managed to put Joe Cole into a retirement home, sent Ilori back from whence he came and loan out Steer, Bennett, Crespo and Gardner - who between them have probably only played about 3-4 games between them all season - but not sure how much value this adds other than reducing the wage bill and freeing up space in the squad for potential reinforcements
Was hoping to have seen the likes of N'Zogbia and Senderos buggered off by now but no sign as yet of them leaving unfortunately.
Have I missed anything else?
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Unless someones going to take Nzog, which is as unlikely as us signing Messi, why haven't we just threw him his dirty money and told him to do one. I can't stand the bloke.
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archie was spot on
How do we know he was crap? He hardly played. Is his situation that much different to Kozak who until very recently was essentially passed over and was on the verge of being sold?
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Unless someones going to take Nzog, which is as unlikely as us signing Messi, why haven't we just threw him his dirty money and told him to do one. I can't stand the bloke.
I don't understand what's going on with N'Zogbia, why not just throw him in and see what he can do? I remember him coming on in one of Garde's earlier games (Man City?) when he looked a threat then he vanished again. Is he just a bad egg, or has he been thrown back into the bomb squad?
He isn't a bad player on his day and he might be worth using again. Christ what have we got to lose? He can't be any worse than any of the other jokers in the squad.
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I just get the feeling that a player who played for a side who finished rock bottom last season and played most of his previous football in the Spanish and Italian second divisions who can't force his way in to a defence that can't tie their own shoelaces must be pretty dismal. I'm not quite sure what the scouts saw or what games they attended but Cordoba lost nearly every single game in 2015 and finished on -46. It wasn't a lot of money but again the transfer didn't and doesn't make any sense to me.
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We signing that giant goalie?
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Unless someones going to take Nzog, which is as unlikely as us signing Messi, why haven't we just threw him his dirty money and told him to do one. I can't stand the bloke.
I don't understand what's going on with N'Zogbia, why not just throw him in and see what he can do? I remember him coming on in one of Garde's earlier games (Man City?) when he looked a threat then he vanished again. Is he just a bad egg, or has he been thrown back into the bomb squad?
He isn't a bad player on his day and he might be worth using again. Christ what have we got to lose? He can't be any worse than any of the other jokers in the squad.
I think he's one of the bad eggs. Garde said his attitude wasn't the worst he's seen but could be better If I recall rightly, so a bit of a nice way of putting it that he couldn't give a shit. I wouldn't want him anywhere near young players or anyone you're trying to motivate, he's the complete antithesis of it.
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Christ what have we got to lose? He can't be any worse than any of the other jokers in the squad.
Presumably he would be taking the place of either Gil or Ayew, so either from the start or from the bench I would say that yes, he most definitely could be worse than either of them. And has been dozens of times over the last few years.
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This could be the Croatian version of the Birmingham Mail, but fingers crossed after Guzan's showing tonight.
http://www.slobodnadalmacija.hr/Hajduk/tabid/83/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/313591/Default.aspx
I got google to translate but im still none the wiser
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Christ what have we got to lose? He can't be any worse than any of the other jokers in the squad.
Presumably he would be taking the place of either Gil or Ayew, so either from the start or from the bench I would say that yes, he most definitely could be worse than either of them. And has been dozens of times over the last few years.
I'd still like to see him given a chance in the bench at least. He can turn it on now and again, and let's face it both Gil and Ayew have been hit and miss at best.
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Christ what have we got to lose? He can't be any worse than any of the other jokers in the squad.
Presumably he would be taking the place of either Gil or Ayew, so either from the start or from the bench I would say that yes, he most definitely could be worse than either of them. And has been dozens of times over the last few years.
I'd still like to see him given a chance in the bench at least. He can turn it on now and again, and let's face it both Gil and Ayew have been hit and miss at best.
For me he's had more than enough chances, and not shown enough to warrant any more.
Gil and Ayew have been "hit and miss" (although I'd say both more hit than miss since they've been given a chance to actually play), and Sinclair and Grealish have been more miss-than-hit recently.
But any of those four is still a better choice than "miss and miss" N'Zogbia, and all four of them have shown more for us in much less time than N'Zogbia has since he joined.
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Unless someones going to take Nzog, which is as unlikely as us signing Messi, why haven't we just threw him his dirty money and told him to do one. I can't stand the bloke.
I don't understand what's going on with N'Zogbia, why not just throw him in and see what he can do? I remember him coming on in one of Garde's earlier games (Man City?) when he looked a threat then he vanished again. Is he just a bad egg, or has he been thrown back into the bomb squad?
He isn't a bad player on his day and he might be worth using again. Christ what have we got to lose? He can't be any worse than any of the other jokers in the squad.
If you're saying that his day is the 29th of February then I agree.
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Maybe so, but I don't think we should be ostracising any players at this stage of the season.
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even the mobile plant pot who has bled the club dry for years and has contributed the square root of nothing? (And I realize he's entitled to the money because he has a contract)
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Maybe so, but I don't think we should be ostracising any players at this stage of the season.
I don't think that he should be ostracised, he should be used when he is the best option, like anybody else on our books. I would just expect there to be at least five better options than him for his position for most of the rest of the season, at which point he'll be leaving us anyway.
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Unless someones going to take Nzog, which is as unlikely as us signing Messi, why haven't we just threw him his dirty money and told him to do one. I can't stand the bloke.
I don't understand what's going on with N'Zogbia, why not just throw him in and see what he can do? I remember him coming on in one of Garde's earlier games (Man City?) when he looked a threat then he vanished again. Is he just a bad egg, or has he been thrown back into the bomb squad?
He isn't a bad player on his day and he might be worth using again. Christ what have we got to lose? He can't be any worse than any of the other jokers in the squad.
You can count the good games he's had for us on the fingers of one hand.
That would be disappointing over the course of one season. Over five years -and on the size of contract he's on- it's closer to theft.
There isn't much to take from this shit stain of a season, but if it marks the point when we finally sever ties with Nzog and Gabby, it won't be a complete waste.
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byram signed for West Spam
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There's a good player in N'zogbia when he can be arsed and Garde seems to have sussed that pretty quickly.
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Unless someones going to take Nzog, which is as unlikely as us signing Messi, why haven't we just threw him his dirty money and told him to do one. I can't stand the bloke.
Contracts in the world of football end in June / July don't they? If the rumours about his wages are to be believed, that means N'Zogbia has got the best part of a million quid still to milk from us before he departs. No way he is going anywhere.
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Maybe so, but I don't think we should be ostracising any players at this stage of the season.
Not so sure. I think Garde needs to let it be known that the cushy days riding the gravy train at Villa Park are over. If that means making examples of people then so be it.
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There's a good player in N'zogbia when he can be arsed and Garde seems to have sussed that pretty quickly.
Garde even commented to that effect saying that he probably hasn't been arsed for most of his Villa career. We have all given him chances to come through and so it on a regular basis. Add Gabby to this list too and most recently Grealish. They all have ability and talent when they can be arsed. Garde is the first manager to call their bluff and essentially tell them if they don't have the right attitude for the fight they will be on the outside looking in.
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Garde strikes me as no nonsense but not in a bombastic way. Toms appointment Tactics might have launched a few under the bus but I get the impression Garde's bubbling under the surface derision cuts them far more.
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Yet another laughable transfer window in true Randy Lerner fashion. Obvious that the club has accepted relegation. Well done Randy!
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Yet another laughable transfer window in true Randy Lerner fashion. Obvious that the club has accepted relegation. Well done Randy!
It hasn't closed yet.
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Yet another laughable transfer window in true Randy Lerner fashion. Obvious that the club has accepted relegation. Well done Randy!
Is it?
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Not too sure what you mean by 'after Coopers' but to save everyone reading another row, explain to me on pm.
No way! The rows are the best bit!
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I really could understand and accept the criticism of what might or might not be being screwed up at the club if it were not for the fact that the making of the criticism seems to be done with such relish.
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Pato isn't far off from joining Chelsea, so maybe that will free up Remy in the coming days.
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Pato isn't far off from joining Chelsea, so maybe that will free up Remy in the coming days.
Milan fans are upset about it, flags outside the stadium - 'baby come back'
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I really could understand and accept the criticism of what might or might not be being screwed up at the club if it were not for the fact that the making of the criticism seems to be done with such relish.
As is often the case Brian you have hit the nail on the head. If this forum was a playground there would be a certain number sticking their tongues out and saying 'see,I told you so' with gleeful pride. We are where we are, and endless hand wringing is not going to change that. I am seeing the start of a long term rebuild and positivism which needs support and encouragement.
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Pato isn't far off from joining Chelsea, so maybe that will free up Remy in the coming days.
remy will have far better offers than us
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Unless someones going to take Nzog, which is as unlikely as us signing Messi, why haven't we just threw him his dirty money and told him to do one. I can't stand the bloke.
Contracts in the world of football end in June / July don't they? If the rumours about his wages are to be believed, that means N'Zogbia has got the best part of a million quid still to milk from us before he departs. No way he is going anywhere.
I'd just give him the mill and cancel the contract.
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Sun are saying we are in talks with Vidic.
Not sure what to make of it. Injury prone, but class in his day, but will he cope with the league now? Certainly a leader.
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Sun are saying we are in talks with Vidic.
Not sure what to make of it. Injury prone, but class in his day, but will he cope with the league now? Certainly a leader.
hopefully its bollocks
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Sun are saying we are in talks with Vidic.
Not sure what to make of it. Injury prone, but class in his day, but will he cope with the league now? Certainly a leader.
Maybe he can convince Jonathan Greening to come with. Surely it's him or Lescott - could you play both ?
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I wouldn't mind Vidic. We've always been too nice so I'd be happy with a cheating bastard in the side.
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I'm not sure that we need is a 34 year old injury prone defender that hasn't played a game this season. We've already got a 30 year old version of that at the club.
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He's more injury prone than Vlaar, he'd be in and out of the team every other week and on a massive wedge. Sounds like a bad idea.
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Ah, didn't know about the injuries.
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I'm not sure that we need is a 34 year old injury prone defender that hasn't played a game this season. We've already got a 30 year old version of that at the club.
Agreed. I'd say he's pretty much exactly the sort of player we don't need.
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Since Vidic is directly personally responsible for the start of our decline from February 2010 to date he owes it to us to come in and single handedly save us now.
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I don't want to go resting our defensive hopes on someone with an unpinned hand-grenade for a knee.
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Might be worth a punt on Vidic before CNZ leaves so that we can have the two worst dressed men on the planet with us at the same time.
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Might be worth a punt on Vidic before CNZ leaves so that we can have the two worst dressed men on the planet with us at the same time.
Three worst, since I'm not going anywhere.
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You don't count Richard. You have to be a twat underneath the comedy costume.
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Vidic tried to get into Royal Ascot in a shell suit. NZog tried to get into the Chelsea Flower Show as an exhibit. League of their own.
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You don't count Richard. You have to be a twat underneath the comedy costume.
Still not entirely sure this disqualifies me...
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Back on topic. Just a hunch, but I'm beginning to think some players will have to go out before we see any coming in this window.
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Back on topic. Just a hunch, but I'm beginning to think some players will have to go out before we see any coming in this window.
Hopefully the majority of them
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Saw a bit of Inter last season, Vidic looked completely done then and that was in a weaker, slower league.
Not played at all this season so if we think Lescott turned up in a state....
I actually think Remi has settled down the defence now...the fact we're only conceding 1 goal most games now hints at a stable unit although of course it can always be improved e.g. new keeper, RB.
Surely above all else we need to be getting someone upfront. The club can't claim they're serious about staying up and then do nothing about the striker situation as that hasn't been good enough all season Ayew aside.
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I agree Soccer. We are desperate for both wide forward options with pace and a goalscorer. Imagine a 3 of Ayew one side, Benteke central and Remy the other. That would score some goals. I realise it will never happen, but the front at the moment is genuinely bottom 3 material.
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I agree Soccer. We are desperate for both wide forward options with pace and a goalscorer. Imagine a 3 of Ayew one side, Benteke central and Remy the other. That would score some goals. I realise it will never happen, but the front at the moment is genuinely bottom 3 material.
We're playing more of a diamond formation at the moment Ozz, with Gil playing behind Kozak and Ayew. We desperately need a striker with some pace as a different option to Kozak.
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Sun are saying we are in talks with Vidic.
Not sure what to make of it. Injury prone, but class in his day, but will he cope with the league now? Certainly a leader.
hopefully its bollocks
Can't argue with the fact that not that long ago he was a great leader. Might do alright in the Championship if he was to sign, crucially stay fit and hang around that long. Stranger things have happened.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/transfernews/6875182/Former-Manchester-United-defender-Nemanja-Vidic-set-for-shock-return-to-Premier-League-with-Aston-Villa.html
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so an ageing, injury prone, player on an astronomical wedge in the championship ? Sounds just the sort of thing we shouldn't be contenplating
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so an ageing, injury prone, player on an astronomical wedge in the championship ? Sounds just the sort of thing we shouldn't be contenplating
I think it's just a short term deal for the rest of this season - if it's true at all of course. At least that's what it said in the article I read.
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Vidic, not for me, Centre Half we have plenty of them!
I am sure that his agent, is talking to lots of clubs around Europe, and telling everyone who will listen how Vidic, is going to play for this club etc.....
If we are to bring players in on loan we need to look at other areas of the team.
We also need to start to shift some of our lot out permanently! it proves how bad some of them are, that no one is showing any real interest in them!
And however bad it is at the Villa (supposedly) - not one has asked for a transfer, that is how worried they are about not playing every week! too many on easy street.
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Vidic's legs had gone when he was playing for Man Utd and that was a few years ago. You could see he was on the decline in that last season for them, and that was surrounded by far better players than we've got. We've already got an old, experienced head who can't run in Lescott.
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Vidic's legs had gone when he was playing for Man Utd and that was a few years ago. You could see he was on the decline in that last season for them, and that was surrounded by far better players than we've got. We've already got an old, experienced head who can't run in Lescott.
And Senderos is still on the payroll
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You can almost see the though bubble going on in Vidic's agent's head - "Now which club do we know that's stupid and desperate enough to offer an injury prone thirty something central defender an 18 month gig? Hmm, I wonder?
Still, it's okay, because after Vlaar, Senderos and Lescott, surely we've learned our lesson by now?
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I think that trying to bring Baker back would be a better move than signing Vidic
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Putting the fact that he is a dirty swine to one side, I don't think Senderos has disgraced himself playing for Villa.
There must be something else that is keeping him out of the squad.
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Sounds like bog-standard Sun making shit up based off an educated guess story for me.
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Senderos has never let us down. He actually looked like a really good player in a couple of earlier games
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You can almost see the though bubble going on in Vidic's agent's head - "Now which club do we know that's stupid and desperate enough to offer an injury prone thirty something central defender an 18 month gig? Hmm, I wonder?
Still, it's okay, because after Vlaar, Senderos and Lescott, surely we've learned our lesson by now?
Would that be the Vlaar people on here regularly see the departure of as a great loss, the Senderos who played when Lambert's team broke the one positive record of his reign and the Lescott who's doing well now?
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Vidic tried to get into Royal Ascot in a shell suit. NZog tried to get into the Chelsea Flower Show as an exhibit. League of their own.
Which seems to me to be perfectly suitable attire for attending an outdoor sporting event.
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The Sun ( yes, I know ! ) and various Scottish news outlets say we are in for Stefan Johansen , he's a goal scoring midfielder, long time Norwegian International who was PFA Scotland Player of the Year in his first full season with the club....so what's not to like? 5 mil mentioned.....Godzvilla!
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/celtic/6875669/Aston-Villa-eye-5m-Stefan-Johansen-bid.html
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The Sun ( yes, I know ! ) and various Scottish news outlets say we are in for Stefan Johansen , he's a goal scoring midfielder, long time Norwegian International who was PFA Scotland Player of the Year in his first full season with the club....so what's not to like? 5 mil mentioned.....Godzvilla!
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/celtic/6875669/Aston-Villa-eye-5m-Stefan-Johansen-bid.html
Just had a quick scout on Twitter (I know!) and the Celtic fans don't rate him at all and the general consensus is he's been awful this season. Should fit in well here then. Seen a lot saying £5m is far too much and they should snatch our hands off.
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Richards, Okore, Clark, Lescott, Senderos, Baker, hardly short in that department hence Ilori and Crespo were allowed to leave, Vidic, no thanks.
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No to Vidic just because I fucking hate him
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Senderos has never let us down. He actually looked like a really good player in a couple of earlier games
Yes when you think about the Stoke game we had 2 rights backs in the middle (Richards and Crespo) and they left a gaping hole for their goal, yet Senderos wasn't even in the 25 and Baker out on loan. Senderos and Baker were great up at Liverpool the previous season keeping a clean sheet as we won, I bet they wouldn't have left the gap between them that Crespo and Richards did. Ilori was available also so there was no need to play full backs in the middle.
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Agree we don't need Vidic as Okore, Lescott, Richards and Clark provide ample cover at centre half.
New goalkeeper, creative midfielder and a new striker please!
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Senderos has never let us down. He actually looked like a really good player in a couple of earlier games
He did look good early last season but then he vanished. It was bizarre, I think he was injured with calf strain but we haven't seen him since. Must be the worst calf injury ever.
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I really could understand and accept the criticism of what might or might not be being screwed up at the club if it were not for the fact that the making of the criticism seems to be done with such relish.
As is often the case Brian you have hit the nail on the head. If this forum was a playground there would be a certain number sticking their tongues out and saying 'see,I told you so' with gleeful pride. We are where we are, and endless hand wringing is not going to change that. I am seeing the start of a long term rebuild and positivism which needs support and encouragement.
Absolutely agree
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Senderos has never let us down. He actually looked like a really good player in a couple of earlier games
He did look good early last season but then he vanished. It was bizarre, I think he was injured with calf strain but we haven't seen him since. Must be the worst calf injury ever.
Was it when he was on international duty, or aggravated by Switzerland playing him when we said he shouldn't?
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Senderos has never let us down. He actually looked like a really good player in a couple of earlier games
He did look good early last season but then he vanished. It was bizarre, I think he was injured with calf strain but we haven't seen him since. Must be the worst calf injury ever.
I think he played a few u21 matches earlier in the season, but seems to have vanished from there as well.
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Senderos has never let us down. He actually looked like a really good player in a couple of earlier games
He did look good early last season but then he vanished. It was bizarre, I think he was injured with calf strain but we haven't seen him since. Must be the worst calf injury ever.
Was it when he was on international duty, or aggravated by Switzerland playing him when we said he shouldn't?
Yes that's right, I forgot about that. If it was genuinely picked up while on international duty we should be looking for compensation from the Swiss FA.
It's a pity because he looked really solid last season.
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You can almost see the though bubble going on in Vidic's agent's head - "Now which club do we know that's stupid and desperate enough to offer an injury prone thirty something central defender an 18 month gig? Hmm, I wonder?
Still, it's okay, because after Vlaar, Senderos and Lescott, surely we've learned our lesson by now?
Would that be the Vlaar people on here regularly see the departure of as a great loss, the Senderos who played when Lambert's team broke the one positive record of his reign and the Lescott who's doing well now?
and Senderos is only 30. He was 29 when we signed him :-X
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No to Vidic just because I fucking hate him
Good point, well made!
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Sounds like bog-standard Sun making shit up based off an educated guess story for me.
I think that's where the theory falls down.
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I really could understand and accept the criticism of what might or might not be being screwed up at the club if it were not for the fact that the making of the criticism seems to be done with such relish.
As is often the case Brian you have hit the nail on the head. If this forum was a playground there would be a certain number sticking their tongues out and saying 'see,I told you so' with gleeful pride. We are where we are, and endless hand wringing is not going to change that. I am seeing the start of a long term rebuild and positivism which needs support and encouragement.
Absolutely agree
This has been the case for a while and if you point it out it turns into an argument that largely centres around who is the better fan.
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I really could understand and accept the criticism of what might or might not be being screwed up at the club if it were not for the fact that the making of the criticism seems to be done with such relish.
As is often the case Brian you have hit the nail on the head. If this forum was a playground there would be a certain number sticking their tongues out and saying 'see,I told you so' with gleeful pride. We are where we are, and endless hand wringing is not going to change that. I am seeing the start of a long term rebuild and positivism which needs support and encouragement.
Absolutely agree
This has been the case for a while and if you point it out it turns into an argument that largely centres around who is the better fan.
Could be just wishful thinking though. You can't blame any fan being cynical about yet another so called new dawn after what we've been through over the last 6 seasons.
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Could be just wishful thinking though. You can't blame any fan being cynical about yet another so called new dawn after what we've been through over the last 6 seasons.
You can't, but - and I could be wrong on this - it's the first time that there's been such a public admission of past mistakes.
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Could be just wishful thinking though. You can't blame any fan being cynical about yet another so called new dawn after what we've been through over the last 6 seasons.
You can't, but - and I could be wrong on this - it's the first time that there's been such a public admission of past mistakes.
and that's the bit that makes me want to see what happens over the next 12-18 months because that's how long it will need to fully turn things around, to moan that nothing changes and criticise the club for not spending, etc during this window, whilst understandable, doesn't account for the longer term culutural change needed at the club and I do wonder if part of the problem we will have is that the fans won't want to give them the time they need to fix things (which is what I always thought Fox was getting at with the false narrative thing).
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On the rumours, if it is Vidic in, then I wouldn't be against it on a short-term deal if Lescott goes off to the MLS. We can't carry both, but Vidic's footballing brain beats Lescott's.
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I'm also wondering if we are about to sign a Croatian Keeper (Lovre Kalinic) would the move for Vidic to be help our new keeper settle? Just a theory I came up with.
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I'm also wondering if we are about to sign a Croatian Keeper (Lovre Kalinic) would the move for Vidic to be help our new keeper settle? Just a theory I came up with.
More likely to create more disharmony. Isn't Vidic Serbian?
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I really could understand and accept the criticism of what might or might not be being screwed up at the club if it were not for the fact that the making of the criticism seems to be done with such relish.
I know what you mean Brian, but I don't (can't?) believe that it's more than a small minority of Villa supporters. It's inevitable that folk will have their own theories on why the club finds itself in such dire straits: and it will continue until we can all see the green shoots of recovery occurring & a brighter future ahoy. I do feel a damned sight more optimistic than I have in recent months - as I think Mr Garde is making the difficult decisions regarding the playing staff and thus improving results & morale. I just hope he's fully backed by the owner and board; and doesn't do a sharp offski at the end of the season. I guess we'll all just have to wait and see how things pan out & keep everything crossed...
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Being linked with Stefan Johansen from Celtic for £5m. Can't say I know anything about him.
Any good?
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You can almost see the though bubble going on in Vidic's agent's head - "Now which club do we know that's stupid and desperate enough to offer an injury prone thirty something central defender an 18 month gig? Hmm, I wonder?
Still, it's okay, because after Vlaar, Senderos and Lescott, surely we've learned our lesson by now?
Would that be the Vlaar people on here regularly see the departure of as a great loss, the Senderos who played when Lambert's team broke the one positive record of his reign and the Lescott who's doing well now?
Yes, them exactly. I don't see Vlaar as a great loss, given his injuries, and I can't accept that Senderos or Lescott have represented (or represent) good value because they've mustered half a dozen good games between them. Are you seriously suggesting that we pick up the likes of Vidic on a big weekly wage because we just might get five good games out of him?!
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You can almost see the though bubble going on in Vidic's agent's head - "Now which club do we know that's stupid and desperate enough to offer an injury prone thirty something central defender an 18 month gig? Hmm, I wonder?
Still, it's okay, because after Vlaar, Senderos and Lescott, surely we've learned our lesson by now?
Would that be the Vlaar people on here regularly see the departure of as a great loss, the Senderos who played when Lambert's team broke the one positive record of his reign and the Lescott who's doing well now?
Yes, them exactly. I don't see Vlaar as a great loss, given his injuries, and I can't accept that Senderos or Lescott have represented (or represent) good value because they've mustered half a dozen good games between them. Are you seriously suggesting that we pick up the likes of Vidic on a big weekly wage because we just might get five good games out of him?!
No, but I am suggesting that the three you mentioned did a lot better than to be used as examples of bad signings.
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Being linked with Stefan Johansen from Celtic for £5m. Can't say I know anything about him.
Any good?
Nah, he's shit.
Being linked with Stefan Johansen from Celtic for £15m.
Get in he's fooking brilliant
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You can almost see the though bubble going on in Vidic's agent's head - "Now which club do we know that's stupid and desperate enough to offer an injury prone thirty something central defender an 18 month gig? Hmm, I wonder?
Still, it's okay, because after Vlaar, Senderos and Lescott, surely we've learned our lesson by now?
Would that be the Vlaar people on here regularly see the departure of as a great loss, the Senderos who played when Lambert's team broke the one positive record of his reign and the Lescott who's doing well now?
Yes, them exactly. I don't see Vlaar as a great loss, given his injuries, and I can't accept that Senderos or Lescott have represented (or represent) good value because they've mustered half a dozen good games between them. Are you seriously suggesting that we pick up the likes of Vidic on a big weekly wage because we just might get five good games out of him?!
No, but I am suggesting that the three you mentioned did a lot better than to be used as examples of bad signings.
You're right about Vlaar, he wasn't a bad signing, just really unlucky with injuries. But I beg to differ about the other two, with Lescott's giving up the ghost for Leicester's goal last Saturday the latest example of why.
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Kramaric joins Hoffenheim on loan. That could have been one to look at.
I'd have even looked at Yann Kermorgant, with one eye on next year.
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Kramaric joins Hoffenheim on loan. That could have been one to look at.
I'd have even looked at Yann Kermorgant, with one eye on next year.
Yann Kermorgant, time for this again.
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Kramaric joins Hoffenheim on loan. That could have been one to look at.
I'd have even looked at Yann Kermorgant, with one eye on next year.
Yann Kermorgant, time for this again.
Went to Reading yesterday
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Being linked with Stefan Johansen from Celtic for £5m. Can't say I know anything about him.
Any good?
Nah, he's shit.
Being linked with Stefan Johansen from Celtic for £15m.
Get in he's fooking brilliant
Nurse!
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Vidic won't be coming to Villa, agent has told reporters.
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It was posted on here the games lost with and without Vlaar in the team was pretty significant.
Which would also indicate the amount of games he missed.
I do seem to remember our periods of decent form coincided with him playing regularly.
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You can almost see the though bubble going on in Vidic's agent's head - "Now which club do we know that's stupid and desperate enough to offer an injury prone thirty something central defender an 18 month gig? Hmm, I wonder?
Still, it's okay, because after Vlaar, Senderos and Lescott, surely we've learned our lesson by now?
Would that be the Vlaar people on here regularly see the departure of as a great loss, the Senderos who played when Lambert's team broke the one positive record of his reign and the Lescott who's doing well now?
Yes, them exactly. I don't see Vlaar as a great loss, given his injuries, and I can't accept that Senderos or Lescott have represented (or represent) good value because they've mustered half a dozen good games between them. Are you seriously suggesting that we pick up the likes of Vidic on a big weekly wage because we just might get five good games out of him?!
No, but I am suggesting that the three you mentioned did a lot better than to be used as examples of bad signings.
You're right about Vlaar, he wasn't a bad signing, just really unlucky with injuries. But I beg to differ about the other two, with Lescott's giving up the ghost for Leicester's goal last Saturday the latest example of why.
And if Senderos doesn't constitute a bad signing that I've no idea what does. We signed a player with prolific record of long-term injuries, who subsequently picked-up a long term injury, shortly after joining us. I'd love to know how much we're currently paying him to not even be part of our registered playing squad.
He might not be a bad player (when he's fit), but in terms of a signing, he was a terrible one.
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Hope I'm wrong but I don't think anyones coming in.
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Hope I'm wrong but I don't think anyones coming in.
I think we'll get Kalinic, Debuchy and a foreign striker on loan.
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Hope I'm wrong but I don't think anyones coming in.
I think we'll get Kalinic, Debuchy and a foreign striker on loan.
Does any of it really matter as far as this season is concerned? I am usually fairly optimistic but we need to start thinking about getting all our shit into one sock for the battle ahead in the Championship.
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Hope I'm wrong but I don't think anyones coming in.
I think we'll get Kalinic, Debuchy and a foreign striker on loan.
Does any of it really matter as far as this season is concerned? I am usually fairly optimistic but we need to start thinking about getting all our shit into one sock for the battle ahead in the Championship.
We'll be in a much better position to come back up next season if we finish this one with some degree of dignity, confidence and unity still intact. So we should at the very least act like we're trying to stay up.
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Victor Valdes moving to Standard Liege on loan....surely would have been worth looking at and then making a move in the Summer for a permanent solution once we knew what league we'd be in. Wages would be an issue but they'd partially be funded by Man U.
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Hope I'm wrong but I don't think anyones coming in.
I think we'll get Kalinic, Debuchy and a foreign striker on loan.
Does any of it really matter as far as this season is concerned? I am usually fairly optimistic but we need to start thinking about getting all our shit into one sock for the battle ahead in the Championship.
We'll be in a much better position to come back up next season if we finish this one with some degree of dignity, confidence and unity still intact. So we should at the very least act like we're trying to stay up.
The January window is generally the bastion of mercenaries and panic buyers. I'd take more heart from hearing we'd somehow jettisoned Gabby and Charlie boy. With the current squad and emerging youngsters allied to a few astute purchases we have more than enough. Getting rid of the negative elements of the playing staff will help greatly. Something Garde seems acutely aware of.
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Right now I will take any signing, good or bad. I do not enjoy being negative about our club or owner but this surrender makes me so, and no I don't care what is "realistic" or what is best "long term" I care about our club at least making a show of trying to stay in the premier league.
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Right now I will take any signing, good or bad. I do not enjoy being negative about our club or owner but this surrender makes me so, and no I don't care what is "realistic" or what is best "long term" I care about our club at least making a show of trying to stay in the premier league.
You want us to make bad signings instead of none.
Ok each to their own.
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According to this tweet, the Kalinic deal is almost done....almost!:
Aleksandar Holiga @AlexHoliga
Also, Lovre #Kalinic to Villa seems to be a done deal, pending work permit. Excited about that one.
1:25 PM - 21 Jan 2016
Apparently, Holiga, an independent football writer based in Croatia ...........Godzvilla!
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I will be very pleased to not see gormless Guzan in goal for us anymore, hopefully we get a few quid for him in the summer.
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Right now I will take any signing, good or bad. I do not enjoy being negative about our club or owner but this surrender makes me so, and no I don't care what is "realistic" or what is best "long term" I care about our club at least making a show of trying to stay in the premier league.
You want us to make bad signings instead of none.
Ok each to their own.
Yes I would. Bad signings like Sylla can still make a difference in the short term and we need short term panic and spending if we are going to get out of this mess.
The board seems bizarrely sanguine about getting relegated, its almost like they are relieved. Thats a stupid thing to type and a stupid thing to say but honestly thats the impression I get from all the clubs statements (except for Garde who seems angry which is good).
Anyway I think we can all agree that if the most exciting thing in a transfer thread is talking about me posting bollocks rather than discussing the merits of our new signings then its been a bad window. ;D
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Ciggie, I share with you the frustrations of buying no one at the moment when we are entering the 4th week of January but I can't see any sense in buying more bad players, if anyones been there and done that before it's us and look where we are.
A sylla would make no difference now, we have no Benteke's or Delphs to drive us on or turn games with goals. We have to put it politely a very average team with no real standouts, more shit would just float to the bottom.
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Fair do's aj2k77. Yeah I am frustrated. Its just that we are in a bad spot and I want to see activity, or at least some kind of response from the board and owner. Probably knee jerk of me and as you say might not help, but its how I feel. Shrug.
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We have plenty of useless players here, we really do not want anymore!
I'm still hopeful Remi has some players lined up and something is happening behind the scenes.
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A few unknowns with decent looking youtube compilations probably would have lifted our spirits a bit but then when we see them in the flesh it would be another thing again.
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very disappointing that Garde hasnt been able to bring in a couple of his own players so far.
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I've just read an interview with Ilori as well, where he said he won't make the same mistakes again, such as not working hard enough and other mistakes in general, and he found it hard adapting to a loan.
Sounds like his attitude was not good enough, another bad egg, these are the kind of players we don't want at the club anymore and why we still need to be careful during this window and not just sign anyone.
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very disappointing that Garde hasnt been able to bring in a couple of his own players so far.
The Fat Lady has'nt even warmed up yet...... to quote Jon Stewart "I have complete faith in the continued absurdity of whatever's going on " .................Godzvilla!
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very disappointing that Garde hasnt been able to bring in a couple of his own players so far.
Chuckle
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Ooh look who looks as if he's on his way back to England.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/21/gb-nigel-reo-coker-set-for-return-to-england/
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Fair do's aj2k77. Yeah I am frustrated. Its just that we are in a bad spot and I want to see activity, or at least some kind of response from the board and owner. Probably knee jerk of me and as you say might not help, but its how I feel. Shrug.
Just some sign any sign of anyone at board level looking like they give a fuck would be nice. We've reached this point through almost wilful neglect. It requires a miracle of Lazarean proportions to get us out of this fix, a few to quality signings may have been the catalyst to the miracle, instead we seemingly amble to the inevitable. The laissez faire approach of our custodian has fucked us completely and even now shows no sign of abating. Wanker that he is.
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Vidic won't be coming to Villa, agent has told reporters.
Thank f*** - our luck has changed for the better
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massive treatment room bullet dodged
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Ooh look who looks as if he's on his way back to England.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/21/gb-nigel-reo-coker-set-for-return-to-england/
Be afraid, be very very afraid
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His agent's geography chops aren't all they ought to be, judging by that piece.
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The Kalinic fella looks like a good idea (youtube caveats notwithstanding). Some of the saves are a bit theatrical but he seems to make sure the ball gets the fuck away from him. And, well, I dare say we could all do with a bit of entertainment, even if it's just as a novel way to give the opposition a corner.
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Well Hart certainly made us laugh.
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I suspect I might get hammered for this... but...
(whispered) I wouldn't be against Reo-Coker on a free for six months as a defensive midfield option...
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Ooh look who looks as if he's on his way back to England.
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/21/gb-nigel-reo-coker-set-for-return-to-england/
MESSIAH!
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The Kalinic fella looks like a good idea (youtube caveats notwithstanding). Some of the saves are a bit theatrical but he seems to make sure the ball gets the fuck away from him. And, well, I dare say we could all do with a bit of entertainment, even if it's just as a novel way to give the opposition a corner.
Pat Jennings would have held most of those using one hand and no gloves.
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The Kalinic fella looks like a good idea (youtube caveats notwithstanding). Some of the saves are a bit theatrical but he seems to make sure the ball gets the fuck away from him. And, well, I dare say we could all do with a bit of entertainment, even if it's just as a novel way to give the opposition a corner.
Pat Jennings would have held most of those using one hand and no gloves.
Ah, but Jennings would've been able to claw a fingernail between the panels of leather.
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I suspect I might get hammered for this... but...
(whispered) I wouldn't be against Reo-Coker on a free for six months as a defensive midfield option...
The NRC who left us in 2011 was deemed not good enough for an Alex McLeish side.
I don't think 5 years of semi retirement in a third rate league will have improved him in that time.
I actually quite liked him during his time with us. He had his limitations, but there was always plenty of effort.
But it's a no for me.
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The Kalinic fella looks like a good idea (youtube caveats notwithstanding). Some of the saves are a bit theatrical but he seems to make sure the ball gets the fuck away from him. And, well, I dare say we could all do with a bit of entertainment, even if it's just as a novel way to give the opposition a corner.
Pat Jennings would have held most of those using one hand and no gloves.
With a Jack Sparrow eye cover
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I suspect I might get hammered for this... but...
(whispered) I wouldn't be against Reo-Coker on a free for six months as a defensive midfield option...
Honestly he wouldn't be an option. I saw him play in MLS over here , he was slow for MLS. He would be useless in the Championship, let alone the Premier League. Cole is the better player at this point in time by some distance.
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I suspect I might get hammered for this... but...
(whispered) I wouldn't be against Reo-Coker on a free for six months as a defensive midfield option...
nurse
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I suspect I might get hammered for this... but...
(whispered) I wouldn't be against Reo-Coker on a free for six months as a defensive midfield option...
Wrong thread, should be in Jokes. Just needs a punchline.
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Being linked with Stefan Johansen from Celtic for £5m. Can't say I know anything about him.
Any good?
Nah, he's shit.
Being linked with Stefan Johansen from Celtic for £15m.
Get in he's fooking brilliant
Nurse!
Just an interpretation of how you tend to judge potential transfer targets.
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I suspect I might get hammered for this... but...
(whispered) I wouldn't be against Reo-Coker on a free for six months as a defensive midfield option...
Wrong thread, should be in Jokes. Just needs a punchline.
I've got a wee song to keep you happy in the meantime...
We get shit player in
A shit player out
In out in out & spunk some cash for nowt
We sign up Reo-Coker as we're goin' down
And THAT'S what it's all about
D'oh! It's Nigel Reo-Coker...
*Gets coat & runs away quickly*
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Reo-Coker will be way way way past it in terms of being a Premier League footballer now.
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If we sign Reo Coker I'll walk the 10 miles to VP and return my season ticket.
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he must be about 56 now isn't he?
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Reo-Coker will be way way way past it in terms of being a Premier League footballer now.
Championship player though?
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We could probably afford the £12,000 per week that he's been getting in MLS though.
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I haven't really looked much at this thread and only checked back a couple of pages so apologies if I am in a 'Why didn't Gareth Barry take the penalty?' moment.
Is there something in this 'other Ayew' for Sinclair idea?
I was quite unhappy about Sinclair potentially going to a direct rival, but getting 'our Ayew's' brother, the one who we thought was the 'right Ayew' for half the season, might not only improve us, but also bond our best prospect to the club a little better.
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Apart from being wishful I don't think so Amfy
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I suspect I might get hammered for this... but...
(whispered) I wouldn't be against Reo-Coker on a free for six months as a defensive midfield option...
nurse
No, he'd be a crap nurse, no training you see.
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NRC is 31. Who would you rather have in midfield Westwood or NRC?
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I haven't really looked much at this thread and only checked back a couple of pages so apologies if I am in a 'Why didn't Gareth Barry take the penalty?' moment.
Is there something in this 'other Ayew' for Sinclair idea?
I was quite unhappy about Sinclair potentially going to a direct rival, but getting 'our Ayew's' brother, the one who we thought was the 'right Ayew' for half the season, might not only improve us, but also bond our best prospect to the club a little better.
What's in it for him, to leave Swansea to come to us?
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I haven't really looked much at this thread and only checked back a couple of pages so apologies if I am in a 'Why didn't Gareth Barry take the penalty?' moment.
Is there something in this 'other Ayew' for Sinclair idea?
I was quite unhappy about Sinclair potentially going to a direct rival, but getting 'our Ayew's' brother, the one who we thought was the 'right Ayew' for half the season, might not only improve us, but also bond our best prospect to the club a little better.
What's in it for him, to leave Swansea to come to us?
Playing with his brother?
I know, clutching at straws. It isn't going to happen but it would be nice.
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There are many well documented examples of people changing their names and changing themselves. I suggest as one last effort of redemption that Westwood should change his name to Eastwood.
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I always liked NRC's attitude, he seemed to be a natural leader, had positional discipline and fought for every ball. I was rather less keen on him when he actually had the ball for the few moments before he gave it away.
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There are many well documented examples of people changing their names and changing themselves. I suggest as one last effort of redemption that Westwood should change his name to Eastwood.
Good call Mr G. Perhaps a change to Goodwood might get him a game with Goodwood Utd (if they're still struggling for numbers).
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I think somebody cloned NRC. His names is Sanchez. Didn't quite get the hair right.
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Auntie I was thinking that as he pointed he could say "this is a 44 Magnum the most powerful handgun in the world".
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Still tumbleweed blowing through here then. FFS, inaction, prevarication, and disinterest seems hardwired into the club's DNA.
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Still tumbleweed blowing through here then. FFS, inaction, prevarication, and disinterest seems hardwired into the club's DNA.
You can't expect the club to attempt to buy our way out of trouble when we're staring relegation in the face. It's only our pride and our Premier League status at risk after all.
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Still tumbleweed blowing through here then. FFS, inaction, prevarication, and disinterest seems hardwired into the club's DNA.
You can't expect the club to attempt to buy our way out of trouble when we're staring relegation in the face. It's only our pride and our Premier League status at risk after all.
Serious question SH - where is the money going to come from, who is going to pay the wages for players to come in our position as they are likely to be highly inflated, how are you going to convince the player to sign here and not elsewhere, and who is going to fund their wages when we go down if we still do??
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When's this Croatian lad joining? We could have done with a big bugger in goal against Albion.
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If you are a Premier League standard player looking for a move, there wont be too many worse options than Villa at the moment, I expect very little incoming business and all of that on the last day when all other options are exhausted for players.
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When's this Croatian lad joining? We could have done with a big bugger in goal against Albion.
Waiting on a work permit according to the papers. Probably next week I'd have thought.
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When's this Croatian lad joining? We could have done with a big bugger in goal against Albion.
Croatian press suggest his work permit has been rejected but that we will win on appeal.
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Still tumbleweed blowing through here then. FFS, inaction, prevarication, and disinterest seems hardwired into the club's DNA.
You can't expect the club to attempt to buy our way out of trouble when we're staring relegation in the face. It's only our pride and our Premier League status at risk after all.
Serious question SH - where is the money going to come from, who is going to pay the wages for players to come in our position as they are likely to be highly inflated, how are you going to convince the player to sign here and not elsewhere, and who is going to fund their wages when we go down if we still do??
You expect him to answer. Be a first.
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Still tumbleweed blowing through here then. FFS, inaction, prevarication, and disinterest seems hardwired into the club's DNA.
You can't expect the club to attempt to buy our way out of trouble when we're staring relegation in the face. It's only our pride and our Premier League status at risk after all.
Serious question SH - where is the money going to come from, who is going to pay the wages for players to come in our position as they are likely to be highly inflated, how are you going to convince the player to sign here and not elsewhere, and who is going to fund their wages when we go down if we still do??
You expect him to answer. Be a first.
Of course not. But you live in hope.
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Still tumbleweed blowing through here then. FFS, inaction, prevarication, and disinterest seems hardwired into the club's DNA.
You can't expect the club to attempt to buy our way out of trouble when we're staring relegation in the face. It's only our pride and our Premier League status at risk after all.
Serious question SH - where is the money going to come from, who is going to pay the wages for players to come in our position as they are likely to be highly inflated, how are you going to convince the player to sign here and not elsewhere, and who is going to fund their wages when we go down if we still do??
You expect him to answer. Be a first.
Of course not. But you live in hope.
I'd like our glorious owner to spend a few quid this January. Where did you think the money would come from, did you really not know?
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It's not just about spending money, it's about attracting players to a club who are 10 points adrift at the bottom. That's the big stumbling block people keep over looking.
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Getting players such as Alex Iwobi and Patrick Bamford in would be a start.
We don't have to go out and buy players on stupid contracts.
They could at least show some gumption in the window.
First thing they should do is tell Debuchy to fuck off.
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It's not just about spending money, it's about attracting players to a club who are 10 points adrift at the bottom. That's the big stumbling block people keep over looking.
It's more of an ignoring thing than an overlooking thing, I'd say.
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It's not just about spending money, it's about attracting players to a club who are 10 points adrift at the bottom. That's the big stumbling block people keep over looking.
It's more of an ignoring thing than an overlooking thing, I'd say.
Well, there is that.
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Getting players such as Alex Iwobi and Patrick Bamford in would be a start.
We don't have to go out and buy players on stupid contracts.
They could at least show some gumption in the window.
First thing they should do is tell Debuchy to fuck off.
I'm inclined now to agree about Debuchy. We can't be sitting around at his bidding, waiting to decide if he's ready to lower himself and play for Aston Villa. I'd be looking at up and coming right backs from the Championship and abroad and approaching them with a view to next season too, hopefully that's what they are doing.
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First thing they should do is tell Debuchy to fuck off.
I don't think that telling potential new-arrivals to fuck off will help bring players in.
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First thing they should do is tell Debuchy to fuck off.
I don't think that telling potential new-arrivals to fuck off will help bring players in.
I can kind of see his point though. Debuchy's keeping his options open which is fair enough but it's not doing us any favours really.
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Debuchy is having us over, why you would want a player who clearly doesn't want to come is beyond me.
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Getting players such as Alex Iwobi and Patrick Bamford in would be a start.
We don't have to go out and buy players on stupid contracts.
They could at least show some gumption in the window.
First thing they should do is tell Debuchy to fuck off.
Apologies for being too lazy to read the early pages, but have we been linked to Bamford?
I was chatting to a Boro fan recently and he thinks Bamford is excellent. I thnk he is also a reasonably realistic target considering he has played most of his football in the Championship - so does not think it is below him - plus is unlikely to get a game a Chelsea. His failure at Palace would probably scare off most other Prem clubs too.
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Why do they turn down work permits for players who haven't played 75% of international games? Guzan never did, how did he get one? There's probably hundreds of players playing over here who aren't in the national team. Bacuna's another. Are they saying that technically only one Croatian keeper can play over here and it's the national keeper.
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So far, we have got rid of Cole on a free. Anybody else gone for definite?
I know we have several players out on loan till the end of the season, any of them out of contract at the end of the season?
Is Sinclair going?
Answers please on post cards to Messrs Lerner,Fox and Hollis.
Joking apart, can someone supply me the answers to the above?
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Why do they turn down work permits for players who haven't played 75% of international games? Guzan never did, how did he get one? There's probably hundreds of players playing over here who aren't in the national team. Bacuna's another. Are they saying that technically only one Croatian keeper can play over here and it's the national keeper.
Bacuna's from Holland so doesn't need a work permit.
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Still tumbleweed blowing through here then. FFS, inaction, prevarication, and disinterest seems hardwired into the club's DNA.
You can't expect the club to attempt to buy our way out of trouble when we're staring relegation in the face. It's only our pride and our Premier League status at risk after all.
Serious question SH - where is the money going to come from, who is going to pay the wages for players to come in our position as they are likely to be highly inflated, how are you going to convince the player to sign here and not elsewhere, and who is going to fund their wages when we go down if we still do??
You expect him to answer. Be a first.
Of course not. But you live in hope.
I'd like our glorious owner to spend a few quid this January. Where did you think the money would come from, did you really not know?
How much on transfers?
How much on wages?
Who should be purchased on that budget?
How many players should we get rid of before the above happens?
What could be the consequences on FFP rules in the event the worst happens?
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Why do they turn down work permits for players who haven't played 75% of international games? Guzan never did, how did he get one? There's probably hundreds of players playing over here who aren't in the national team. Bacuna's another. Are they saying that technically only one Croatian keeper can play over here and it's the national keeper.
Guzan originally was turned down IIRC, we ended up going back in for him a season after we originally tried.
Bacuna, like anybody else in the EU can move and work freely (feel free to insert your own gag). Apparently because Croatia is a new(ish) member, there are still restrictions on working abroad in place.
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Regarding Bamford, not really linked. Ideal for us though.
I'm an optimist but we're down, so plan for next season.
Get on the phone, use your contacts now.
Just do something, not doing anything isn't an option.
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For those amongst us who think we should 'spend our way out of trouble', can we have some suggestions as to who we should go for? So far, we've had Patrick Bamford.
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For those amongst us who think we should 'spend our way out of trouble', can we have some suggestions as to who we should go for? So far, we've had Patrick Bamford.
Don't we employ people to scout players?
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Debuchy is having us over, why you would want a player who clearly doesn't want to come is beyond me.
If he ends up signing then it means that he did want to come here. If he doesn't then he won't come. I don't see why we would tell him to fuck off.
There were rumours that we weren't Amavi's first choice either, presumably we tell him to fuck off as well?
And taking your two posts side-by-side, we should do "something, anything", but only if it's signing somebody whose first or only choice is a side adrift at the bottom of the league?
Right-o.
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Still tumbleweed blowing through here then. FFS, inaction, prevarication, and disinterest seems hardwired into the club's DNA.
You can't expect the club to attempt to buy our way out of trouble when we're staring relegation in the face. It's only our pride and our Premier League status at risk after all.
Serious question SH - where is the money going to come from, who is going to pay the wages for players to come in our position as they are likely to be highly inflated, how are you going to convince the player to sign here and not elsewhere, and who is going to fund their wages when we go down if we still do??
You expect him to answer. Be a first.
Of course not. But you live in hope.
I'd like our glorious owner to spend a few quid this January. Where did you think the money would come from, did you really not know?
How much on transfers? At least £100M (per player)
How much on wages? Whatever Messi's on just to show that we're serious
Who should be purchased on that budget? Well now I've mentioned him, we'll start with Messi and work our way up from there
How many players should we get rid of before the above happens? That's what the bomb squad is for isn't it?
What could be the consequences on FFP rules in the event the worst happens? Who cares, all of the above is a copper bottomed guarantee that nothing will go wrong.
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For those amongst us who think we should 'spend our way out of trouble', can we have some suggestions as to who we should go for? So far, we've had Patrick Bamford.
Bamford wouldn't be a bad shout if we are in the Championship next season. Neither would Dwight Gayle.
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For those amongst us who think we should 'spend our way out of trouble', can we have some suggestions as to who we should go for? So far, we've had Patrick Bamford.
Don't we employ people to scout players?
I'm asking people to throw out some names, not hold the transfer talks themselves.
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For those amongst us who think we should 'spend our way out of trouble', can we have some suggestions as to who we should go for? So far, we've had Patrick Bamford.
Don't we employ people to scout players?
I'm asking people to throw out some names, not hold the transfer talks themselves.
Hotshot Hamish
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I've not paid full attention, but last night when I got home, Big Sam was going on about him. If he would go there, I think we could persuade him to come here.
Then this morning, the sound was down on the telly but Sky had Sinclair & other Ayew's faces at opposite ends of that big screen they stand in front of.
It's on I reckon!
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Although probably not
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Alex Iwobi Arsenal winger, Milosevic Veljkovic, Alex Pritchard Spurs midfielders, Anders Christensen, Tomas Kalas Chelsea defenders.
They should be known by our scouts.
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For those amongst us who think we should 'spend our way out of trouble', can we have some suggestions as to who we should go for? So far, we've had Patrick Bamford.
Don't we employ people to scout players?
I'm asking people to throw out some names, not hold the transfer talks themselves.
Hotshot Hamish
Do you mean Grant Holt without a haircut?
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For those amongst us who think we should 'spend our way out of trouble', can we have some suggestions as to who we should go for? So far, we've had Patrick Bamford.
Tommy Cooper,the Great Suprendo,Paul Daniels and his lovely assistant Miss Debbie McGee.We could also do with Penn and Teller on a season long loan subject to international clearance.
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I've not paid full attention, but last night when I got home, Big Sam was going on about him. If he would go there, I think we could persuade him to come here.
Then this morning, the sound was down on the telly but Sky had Sinclair & other Ayew's faces at opposite ends of that big screen they stand in front of.
It's on I reckon!
Don't think the two things are connected. Swansea want Sinclair, and Sunderland have shown an interest in Ayew, to which Swansea have said he isn't for sale, as far as I know there hasn't been any Villa interest in A Ayew.
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....but I am saying that if he is available there should be!
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If you are a Premier League standard player looking for a move, there wont be too many worse options than Villa at the moment, I expect very little incoming business and all of that on the last day when all other options are exhausted for players.
this
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....but I am saying that if he is available there should be!
Unfortunately even Sunderland are a better proposition than us at the moment, as they are only 4 points from safety.
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I think we can only expect a couple of loan signings at best, of which Debuchy may be one unless he gets a better offer
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if he is available we should try 5 millions plus Sinclair ;)
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I haven't really looked much at this thread and only checked back a couple of pages so apologies if I am in a 'Why didn't Gareth Barry take the penalty?' moment.
Is there something in this 'other Ayew' for Sinclair idea?
I was quite unhappy about Sinclair potentially going to a direct rival, but getting 'our Ayew's' brother, the one who we thought was the 'right Ayew' for half the season, might not only improve us, but also bond our best prospect to the club a little better.
Swansea want about 15m for him and he's on 80k a week so it's a non starter.
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I think we can only expect a couple of loan signings at best, of which Debuchy may be one unless he gets a better offer
That's that deal dead then !!
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So the keeper deal looks dead. Strange decision to reject his work permit.
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if he is available we should try 5 millions plus Sinclair ;)
They are not that stupid!
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Ayew Ayew there's only one Ayew wouldn't work but other than that it would be a fantastic bit of business if true.
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So the keeper deal looks dead. Strange decision to reject his work permit.
Chap at work said that would be easy to get round on an appeal. How he knows I have no idea. Saying that, said chap quite often spouts a lot of crap.
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So the keeper deal looks dead. Strange decision to reject his work permit.
Chap at work said that would be easy to get round on an appeal. How he knows I have no idea. Saying that, said chap quite often spouts a lot of crap.
The Croatian translated news, says it is the appeal that is rejected. - How can that happen, if you look at what Chelsea and others bring in?
This was probably the most important missing piece of the 28 missing
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So the keeper deal looks dead. Strange decision to reject his work permit.
Chap at work said that would be easy to get round on an appeal. How he knows I have no idea. Saying that, said chap quite often spouts a lot of crap.
The Croatian translated news, says it is the appeal that is rejected. - How can that happen, if you look at what Chelsea and others bring in?
This was probably the most important missing piece of the 28 missing
So my mate was taking bollocks then!
If that's true that's outrageous if you think of how many European imports Chelsea sign to only send back out on loan.
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Considering they are part of the EU, and others have signed players from further afield with less criteria it seems extremely harsh.
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So we can't even sign a player who actually wants to join us?! How low have we sunk etc.
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Considering they are part of the EU, and others have signed players from further afield with less criteria it seems extremely harsh.
That's what I thought. What happened about free movement and people being able to work anywhere in the EU? Until it's confirmed, I don't believe it.
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Considering they are part of the EU, and others have signed players from further afield with less criteria it seems extremely harsh.
That's what I thought. What happened about free movement and people being able to work anywhere in the EU? Until it's confirmed, I don't believe it.
Some Croatian tweeted that there is some clause on Croatian nationals about free movement (probably by their own request).
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I can't see us brining in any loan players until the last day or two of the window when it becomes certain they'll not get football elsewhere.
The Norwich and Sunderland defeats have had a massive impact on our ability to recruit effectively.
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There are many well documented examples of people changing their names and changing themselves. I suggest as one last effort of redemption that Westwood should change his name to Eastwood.
Either would do Brian, they map the direction of his passing.
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So the keeper deal looks dead. Strange decision to reject his work permit.
Chap at work said that would be easy to get round on an appeal. How he knows I have no idea. Saying that, said chap quite often spouts a lot of crap.
It isn't difficult. The application is a black and white thing so many fail. On appeal things such as club the player is playing for, letters of recommendation, games played, likelihood of bad press etc will be taken into account.
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Ayew Ayew there's only one Ayew wouldn't work but other than that it would be a fantastic bit of business if true.
We could have our own version of that Kolo / Yaya Toure song.
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Ayew Ayew there's only one Ayew wouldn't work but other than that it would be a fantastic bit of business if true.
We could have our own version of that Kolo / Yaya Toure song.
Already been done at the Leicester game for Ayew and Kozak - including the funny but silly dance
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I can't see us brining in any loan players until the last day or two of the window when it becomes certain they'll not get football elsewhere.
The Norwich and Sunderland defeats have had a massive impact on our ability to recruit effectively.
Agree.
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The Mail is saying we lost the appeal on the Croatian goalkeeper and Sane doesn't want to come now, it never rains but pours.
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The appeal is fucking bollocks. Some of the tat playing over here, in fact some of the tat that can't get a game over here and we can't get a permit for this guy? Isn't he in the croat national squad? It's bollocks.
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What a fucking depressing season. The kicks in the knackers never stop. Garde must be gutted.
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The Mail is saying we lost the appeal on the Croatian goalkeeper and Sane doesn't want to come now, it never rains but pours.
Mirror say Debauchy not interested in perm move so thats off too...
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We could really do with a win tomorrow.
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Debuchy won't move until the last couple of days of the window anyway. Sane looked worth getting to give us a leader on the pitch so it's a shame that's not happening. Kalinic we will never know I guess but will likely get a permit in the summer to go to another club without any more criteria being met and be sensational.
You watch us end up with Rob Green and Danny Graham on loan next week.
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The Mail is saying we lost the appeal on the Croatian goalkeeper and Sane doesn't want to come now, it never rains but pours.
i doubt it's as cut and dried as that as Croatia is in an EU member state. If he has been refused - and it wouldn't be a work permit if he's from an EU member statebecause of the freedom of movement - there will be a reason that we won't know about.
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We're about as attractive as a d.ogshit sandwich right now.
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The Mail is saying we lost the appeal on the Croatian goalkeeper and Sane doesn't want to come now, it never rains but pours.
i doubt it's as cut and dried as that as Croatia is in an EU member state. If he has been refused - and it wouldn't be a work permit if he's from an EU member statebecause of the freedom of movement - there will be a reason that we won't know about.
It's a very strange one
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The (Birmingham) Mail claims we have turned our attentions elsewhere with regard to Sane, not that he's decided he doesnt want to come.
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This is feeling pretty crap
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I was under the impression Debuchy was going to be a loan move.
No one decent is turning up here in a permanent deal, we won't pay what the seller wants and the players will be insisting on relegation release clauses so you can't build anything.
Just try to get in a couple of decent loans from here and abroad and see if that can lift some of the existing players who are playing better now.
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This is feeling pretty crap
Agreed. We could really do with a couple of wins and some good news. Here's hoping!!
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The TC really needed to Do homework on weather the slavic goalie could sign its disappointing
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Maybe they did, and thought he would on appeal, but then strangely it was turned down? Players with less reason have got permits before.
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Who would you rather have in midfield Westwood or NRC?
What would you rather get a blow job from? A scabby piss-stained tramp or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier?
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neither thanks
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Who would you rather have in midfield Westwood or NRC?
What would you rather get a blow job from? A scabby piss-stained tramp or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier?
Does it have to be either/or?
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Surprised anybody is surprised tbh. 10 points adrift means the only bargaining power we have is money as we can only offer a few months of PL football in a losing side. However as the club is already budgeting for the income to be heavily slashed with relegation wage demands can't/ wont be met.
We don't want to blow a fortune on players that automatically leave in May so we have to start again, that's fair enough.
Once we got cut adrift ths window became a bit of a self fulfilling profacy. Everyone has us over a barrel. I just hope they don't blow next season trying to salvage some worthless pride over the last few months of this season. That would be even more catastrophic.
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You watch us end up with Rob Green and Danny Graham on loan next week.
Our former manager has kindly taken the latter to Blackburn
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NRC is 31. Who would you rather have in midfield Westwood or NRC?
I'd rather have Gary Gardner than either.
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I would rather have Dennis M but we live in strange times.
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Who would you rather have in midfield Westwood or NRC?
What would you rather get a blow job from? A scabby piss-stained tramp or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier?
I am thinking at least the Bull Terrier will be quite aggressive and wouldn't ask for a penny!
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Who would you rather have in midfield Westwood or NRC?
What would you rather get a blow job from? A scabby piss-stained tramp or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier?
I am thinking at least the Bull Terrier will be quite aggressive and wouldn't ask for a penny!
Tramp would probably be toothless
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I was under the impression Debuchy was going to be a loan move.
No one decent is turning up here in a permanent deal, we won't pay what the seller wants and the players will be insisting on relegation release clauses so you can't build anything.
Just try to get in a couple of decent loans from here and abroad and see if that can lift some of the existing players who are playing better now.
Yeah that's my view. All we need is a couple of loans to see if they can add something. We can look at permanent players in the summer.
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for me loan signings until the end of the season arent going to get us anywhere
we are as good as down barring a miracle so a loan signing comes in and then buggers off at the end of the season and then we are back to square one again
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for me loan signings until the end of the season arent going to get us anywhere
we are as good as down barring a miracle so a loan signing comes in and then buggers off at the end of the season and then we are back to square one again
So we sign someone who might want to leave at the end of the season if we go down? What would be the point in that?
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I agree with you Oswald. Don't see the point in getting loans who don't really want to be here, don't care if we stay down or go up. I'd only sign players with an eye on next season.
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I agree with you Oswald. Don't see the point in getting loans who don't really want to be here, don't care if we stay down or go up. I'd only sign players with an eye on next season.
I get it if they want to be here next season and are willing to play in the championship if we go down, that's fine. It may be the reason why we're having trouble attracting players to come. It can't be easy with the predicament we're in. Loan deals can work though, especially in the case of Debuchy who'll be wanting to go to the euro's.
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I hope the reports in the keeper are wrong. More than anything we need a replacement for Guzan. With Fuzan on top form we would have been 7 or 8 points better off this season. We need a better keeper even if we go down.
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All's quiet on the transfer front.
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Who would you rather have in midfield Westwood or NRC?
What would you rather get a blow job from? A scabby piss-stained tramp or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier?
I am thinking at least the Bull Terrier will be quite aggressive and wouldn't ask for a penny!
Tramp would probably be toothless
Some great rationale being explored here chaps.
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Who would you rather have in midfield Westwood or NRC?
What would you rather get a blow job from? A scabby piss-stained tramp or a Staffordshire Bull Terrier?
I am thinking at least the Bull Terrier will be quite aggressive and wouldn't ask for a penny!
Tramp would probably be toothless
Some great rationale being explored here chaps.
Might as well examine your dick for moles, to be honest.
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I just caught that interview on Football Focus with Charlie Austin. What a smug bastard he is.
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I just caught that interview on Football Focus with Charlie Austin. What a smug bastard he is.
26 and been at 8 clubs already. Journeyman.
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for me loan signings until the end of the season arent going to get us anywhere
we are as good as down barring a miracle so a loan signing comes in and then buggers off at the end of the season and then we are back to square one again
Not necessarily. If it is the right loan player, they could come in, do well and give the existing players a lift that could be taken into next season. Look at the impact Kyle Walker and Robbie Keane had during their loan periods with us.
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for me loan signings until the end of the season arent going to get us anywhere
we are as good as down barring a miracle so a loan signing comes in and then buggers off at the end of the season and then we are back to square one again
Not necessarily. If it is the right loan player, they could come in, do well and give the existing players a lift that could be taken into next season. Look at the impact Kyle Walker and Robbie Keane had during their loan periods with us.
That is absolutely right. Bring in a couple of loans for the very weak positions in the team so that it helps the better players finish the season with confidence and encourage them to see that there is a future at this club.
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Alan Nixon hinting at some good news for Villa in his rag tomorrow.
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Alan Nixon hinting at some good news for Villa in his rag tomorrow.
"Saving Villa thing for paper obviously. Something u need. Something u are about to get.
A striker, 11 extra points or a new owner.
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let's be greedy - all 3?
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Alan Nixon hinting at some good news for Villa in his rag tomorrow.
It was all a dream!
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for me loan signings until the end of the season arent going to get us anywhere
we are as good as down barring a miracle so a loan signing comes in and then buggers off at the end of the season and then we are back to square one again
Not necessarily. If it is the right loan player, they could come in, do well and give the existing players a lift that could be taken into next season. Look at the impact Kyle Walker and Robbie Keane had during their loan periods with us.
different time
you could bring messi in and after two weeks he would be playing like bacuna
as for the confidence bit, what do we have a manager and coaching staff for?
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I just caught that interview on Football Focus with Charlie Austin. What a smug bastard he is.
I bet he feels even smugger tonight.
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God sake Villa, go get a striker.
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Yes, fair play to Southampton. They see an issue and they fix it with an established premier league player. We gamble on players from lower leagues and young foreign players that take time to settle. We are the bottom team for a reason. Too many gambles not coming up trumps.
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I have no complaints about Austin as a player. Finds the right areas, mugs defenders, good with his feet and head. What bugged me was that he was talking about Southampton being on the way up when it seems to me they're pretty much a south coast Fulham in the making.
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Yes, fair play to Southampton. They see an issue and they fix it with an established premier league player. We gamble on players from lower leagues and young foreign players that take time to settle. We are the bottom team for a reason. Too many gambles not coming up trumps.
We've been doing this for 5 years and it's finally coming to fruition.
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If it's been decided behind the scenes that we're waiting to be a Championship side, I don't mind missing out on Austin. I don't even mind being in the Championship for a while if the football we're watching is great. But I will mind, a lot, if we try and build a team around some of the shite we have in our squad. In my mind, relegation is the price we have to pay to wash of the stench of insipid, uninspired football with no end product.
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Yes, fair play to Southampton. They see an issue and they fix it with an established premier league player. We gamble on players from lower leagues and young foreign players that take time to settle. We are the bottom team for a reason. Too many gambles not coming up trumps.
We've been doing this for 5 years and it's finally coming to fruition.
Sounds like you have come to fruition as well and just shot your load.
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I think the term fruition might not be the most appropriate choice of word, but I have myself said (a year or so ago) that if we carry on buying Championship players or Championship quality players, then that is where we will end up.
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If Austin wasn't keen on joining us in the summer there was very little chance of us getting now.
I'm more annoyed that we seemingly had no interest at all in Afobe. When you look at the likes of Norwich and Bournemouth going in for him, I don't think it's entirely out of the question he could have been persuaded.
Would have been good for us this season and, worst case (but increasingly likely) scenario in the Championship next year.
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I think the term fruition might not be the most appropriate choice of word, but I have myself said (a year or so ago) that if we carry on buying Championship players or Championship quality players, then that is where we will end up.
You and me both, but to suggest some fans are enjoying our demise (the post a couple of places above) is absolutely pathetic.
Anyway, it ain't over yet.
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If Austin wasn't keen on joining us in the summer there was very little chance of us getting now.
I'm more annoyed that we seemingly had no interest at all in Afobe. When you look at the likes of Norwich and Bournemouth going in for him, I don't think it's entirely out of the question he could have been persuaded.
Would have been good for us this season and, worst case (but increasingly likely) scenario in the Championship next year.
Look I'd have loved him at Villa but I'm assuming he's on wages we're just not willing to pay anymore despite his reasonable transfer fee.
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I'm hoping that tweet from Alan Nixon about good news for Villa tomorrow means a striker in-coming. Boy do we need it.
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Seeing as he was at Wolves, I don't think he'd have been going to Bournemouth for Charles N Zog-style wages.
Probably £35-40K tops.
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I reckon he's building expectation but it'll be something and nothing.
Probably confirming a new kit deal or some other non story.
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I'm hoping that tweet from Alan Nixon about good news for Villa tomorrow means a striker in-coming. Boy do we need it.
Someone we've never heard of coming in up front.
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I'm hoping that tweet from Alan Nixon about good news for Villa tomorrow means a striker in-coming. Boy do we need it.
It's not. They're adding the no 7 buses into the no 11 queue around Witton Circle.
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If it's been decided behind the scenes that we're waiting to be a Championship side, I don't mind missing out on Austin. I don't even mind being in the Championship for a while if the football we're watching is great. But I will mind, a lot, if we try and build a team around some of the shite we have in our squad. In my mind, relegation is the price we have to pay to wash of the stench of insipid, uninspired football with no end product.
I do mind that they have seemingly accepted our fate with such little resistance.
I'm not talking about throwing money at the thing like it's 2011 either, but there are plenty of forwards out there at midtable>lower prem teams or Championship teams better than Gestede and Kozak. That's if we're just limiting ourselves to these shores -and there's no way we should be doing that anyway.
What has saved us in recent years is that Benteke, Delph and, yes, even Vlaar were far better than anything else around in the bottom 5/6.
I don't see Gestede or Kozak getting a game at any other side in the topflight; either the promoted lot or dross like Sunderland and Olbiyun.
On current form, I'm not sure there would be a huge amount of interest from other PL sides if we made Lescott, Okore and co available either. Richards maybe, but not as a guaranteed starter.
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If we're serious about staying in this league we need to sign a forward who can find the back of the net. If we have to break the Bank to do it and make someone an offer they can't refuse so be it. Sod FFP and Lerner's Bank balance is of no concern of to me. To repair the damage the absentee land lord has caused by hiding behind the sofa these past years won't be cheap and if he cares as much as he professes to, he'll do it...
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I'm hoping that tweet from Alan Nixon about good news for Villa tomorrow means a striker in-coming. Boy do we need it.
Who is Alan Nixon?
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apparently it isn't transfer related but about the coaching staff
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I reckon he's building expectation but it'll be something and nothing.
Probably confirming a new kit deal or some other non story.
I knew it would be nothing. This is his latest.
Villa. It's a tinkering of the managerial staff. Full details on paper. Positive move in my view. For what that's worth.
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apparently it isn't transfer related but about the coaching staff
Its Ray Wilkins!
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I'm hoping that tweet from Alan Nixon about good news for Villa tomorrow means a striker in-coming. Boy do we need it.
Who is Alan Nixon?
A very poor football journalist who went from being shit at The Mirror to shit at The Sun. So if he says that he has good news, it's got about the same validity as reading something in The Sun football gossip.
You know those jokes about if Mark Lawrenson predicts that you'll win then it means that you won't? That's Alan Nixon for transfers.
He'll occasionally get something right, but it's more though accident than design.
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Stuart Pearce is the name on twitter.
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I'm hoping that tweet from Alan Nixon about good news for Villa tomorrow means a striker in-coming. Boy do we need it.
Who is Alan Nixon?
A very poor football journalist who went from being shit at The Mirror to shit at The Sun. So if he says that he has good news, it's got about the same validity as reading something in The Sun football gossip.
You know those jokes about if Mark Lawrenson predicts that you'll win then it means that you won't? That's Alan Nixon for transfers.
He'll occasionally get something right, but it's more though accident than design.
Very good summation of The Nixx.
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THE Stuart Pearce? Wow. *cracks open the Cava*
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Welcome home, Roger Spry.
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Pearce was touting himself for Bristol city on talk sport yesterday and it was in the past last week.
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I'm hoping that tweet from Alan Nixon about good news for Villa tomorrow means a striker in-coming. Boy do we need it.
Fox has sold a few more shirts?
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Stuart Pearce is the name on twitter.
Thats an appointment only slightly less nuts than Keane.
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I'm hoping that tweet from Alan Nixon about good news for Villa tomorrow means a striker in-coming. Boy do we need it.
Fox has sold a few more shirts?
Apparently it's a tinkering of the management team.
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I'm hoping that tweet from Alan Nixon about good news for Villa tomorrow means a striker in-coming. Boy do we need it.
Fox has sold a few more shirts?
Yep and some of them have had names on the back as well. £££££!!
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If Austin wasn't keen on joining us in the summer there was very little chance of us getting now.
I'm more annoyed that we seemingly had no interest at all in Afobe. When you look at the likes of Norwich and Bournemouth going in for him, I don't think it's entirely out of the question he could have been persuaded.
Would have been good for us this season and, worst case (but increasingly likely) scenario in the Championship next year.
Austin made it clear that he wanted to stay down South didn't he, so unlikely he would have come. Afobe, however, was just down the road and we were linked with him in the summer. Easy to say now on the back of two goals in two games, but quite a few people have been talking about him for a while and he was obviously on our radar.
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I wanted Afobe in the summer. I think he was perfect for us then and would have been now. 9m is not a bad deal for him at all.
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Eric black to be appointed assistant manager, apparantly
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Eric black to be appointed assistant manager, apparantly
That was Nixon's 'exciting news'? Bloody hell.
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He's probably mates with him.
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Wasn't Black Potato heads right hand man?
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Wasn't Black Potato heads right hand man?
yes
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Eric Black? Just what we need? Really? How very underwhelming. Striker, centre mid not a has been or never was assistant. Who gives a toss about the management team? Sort the team on the pitch out first ffs.
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We have to have a bit of faith in Remi though here, he turned down Moyes old coach already so he must see something in Black that makes him want him. Don't ask me what it is.
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It seems like we always have to have a Scotsman in the management team. Our recent history of this doesnt excite me one jot.
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We have to have a bit of faith in Remi though here, he turned down Moyes old coach already so he must see something in Black that makes him want him. Don't ask me what it is.
Steve Round turned down a more junior role, presumably Eric Black is happy to do it. Really, honestly, who cares. Sign a bloody forward, then we'll get excited.
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Eric Black had a very good reputation as an assistant, didn't he?
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I don't actually have a problem with the idea of a transfer committee -though I do have a problem with ours.
But a manager should be able to select his own assistants.
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Who is Eric Black?
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Who is Eric Black?
this bloke
(http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01604/EricBlack_1604640a.jpg)
Been mainly an Assistant or caretaker boss. Did manage Motherwell and Coventry for a short time. Don't know much about him but he's meant to be a decent coach.
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Eric Black had a very good reputation as an assistant, didn't he?
Yes he does. Very highly regarded by Mark Hughes and Steve Bruce, who he did good jobs for.
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Can he play up front? Or cross a ball?
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Can he play up front? Or cross a ball?
yes he was a striker in his day with a decent goalscoring record. He's probably better than what we have at the club today so maybe he can be a player coach.
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Thank you TV.
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I don't actually have a problem with the idea of a transfer committee -though I do have a problem with ours.
But a manager should be able to select his own assistants.
According to the reports, he has.
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Wasn't Black in that great Aberdeen side that won the CWC?
Alongside a former manager of ours.
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Wasn't Black in that great Aberdeen side that won the CWC?
Alongside a former manager of ours.
yes, and even scored against Real Madrid as a 19yr old*
*courtesy of recently discovering this thing called the Internet.
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Heard a rumour we are after two young French strikers - Cronyism and Nepotism.
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Who is Eric Black?
He is Black and he is proud.
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If Austin wasn't keen on joining us in the summer there was very little chance of us getting now.
I'm more annoyed that we seemingly had no interest at all in Afobe. When you look at the likes of Norwich and Bournemouth going in for him, I don't think it's entirely out of the question he could have been persuaded.
Would have been good for us this season and, worst case (but increasingly likely) scenario in the Championship next year.
Look I'd have loved him at Villa but I'm assuming he's on wages we're just not willing to pay anymore despite his reasonable transfer fee.
Don't assume. It makes an Ass out of U and Me.
Alternatively read something like Charlie Austin will take some convincing to leave QPR for a Premier League club battling against relegation in January. (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/qpr-transfer-news-charlie-austin-doesnt-want-to-join-premier-league-strugglers-a3118711.html)
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If Austin wasn't keen on joining us in the summer there was very little chance of us getting now.
I'm more annoyed that we seemingly had no interest at all in Afobe. When you look at the likes of Norwich and Bournemouth going in for him, I don't think it's entirely out of the question he could have been persuaded.
Would have been good for us this season and, worst case (but increasingly likely) scenario in the Championship next year.
Look I'd have loved him at Villa but I'm assuming he's on wages we're just not willing to pay anymore despite his reasonable transfer fee.
Don't assume. It makes an Ass out of U and Me.
Alternatively read something like Charlie Austin will take some convincing to leave QPR for a Premier League club battling against relegation in January. (http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/qpr-transfer-news-charlie-austin-doesnt-want-to-join-premier-league-strugglers-a3118711.html)
Now, now, we can't consider anything that might be inconvenient to the "lynch the entire board" argument here, can we?
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So we're still moving heaven and earth to get a striker in? This club is fucked, the prevailing wisdom now appears to be that success in any measure can only be obtained by cutting costs. No doubt next season we'll work on a budget commensurate to league one, then if we don't come back up to we'll cut back again and again ad nauseam. Successful business invest... They even have contingencies for when things aren't running smoothly. We've had five years of ad hoc cut backs, and now we're staring down the barrel we are too scared to spend in an effort to preserve our main revenue stream. There are no rumours, nothing about talks with anyone. We've quit haven't we? Bash the board,a lynching is too kind, they're wankers to a man and the wanker in chief is still hiding behind his sofa while this whole sorry mess unfolds. We're not coming back from this in a hurry. The paradox of thrift has taken a hold...
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We have to have a bit of faith in Remi though here, he turned down Moyes old coach already so he must see something in Black that makes him want him. Don't ask me what it is.
He speaks french, and errrrrrr
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Who is Eric Black?
He is Black and he is proud.
Oh a bruv but he can't be proud of being an Eric in that case!
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We have to have a bit of faith in Remi though here, he turned down Moyes old coach already so he must see something in Black that makes him want him. Don't ask me what it is.
He speaks french, and errrrrrr
I'd like to think that wasn't the only reason.
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Who is Eric Black?
He is Black and he is proud.
Oh a bruv but he can't be proud of being an Eric in that case!
Tread carefully when offering criticism of the name Eric, that's my boys name.
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it was my dad's name - and in 1982 I thought Upstairs at Eric's was quite a good album.
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Who is Eric Black?
He is Black and he is proud.
"Eric B is a bad young brother " came to mind reading your posts.The power of google actually revealed that the song "Bad Young Brother" was by the English rapper Derek B who died aged 44 from a heart attack and co-wrote the Anfield Rap !
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Eric was also the first name of "Big Hoss"Cartwright in Bonanza!
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Like someone else said, Austin leaving a championship club to join a club who might be heading back there in 5 months time was unlikely, I doubt the money would have played that much of a part. I'm sure we would have matched what southampton were paying him.
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Who is Eric Black?
He is Black and he is proud.
Oh a bruv but he can't be proud of being an Eric in that case!
Tread carefully when offering criticism of the name Eric, that's my boys name.
Lee I am sure your boy is a canny lad....for an Eric!
(And apologies if you are not familiar with Auf Wiedersehen Pet xenophobic elements)
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My mate had one of these called...
Eric (https://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=667&q=english+mastiff&oq=english+&gs_l=img.1.2.0l10.6846.9152.0.17634.8.6.0.2.2.0.85.474.6.6.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..0.8.474.8Qceo0Gtml8#hl=en&tbm=isch&q=english+bull+terrier&imgrc=YFd7B0uwMEFhoM%3A)
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Is this wretched demi-bee
Half asleep upon my knee
Some freak from a menagerie
No! It's Eric the half a bee
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Is this wretched demi-bee
Half asleep upon my knee
Some freak from a menagerie
No! It's Eric the half a bee
Wot No Eric The Fish?!
How VERY dare you. >:(
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One paper I read today has us in for Ravel Morrison and Rico Henry. Really not sure about Morrison, but Henry is the LB at Walsall and is pretty highly rated.
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Another bloody left back?
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One paper I read today has us in for Ravel Morrison and Rico Henry. Really not sure about Morrison, but Henry is the LB at Walsall and is pretty highly rated.
Ravel Morrison really annoys me.
He is such a gifted player and has the ability to be absolutely fantastic.
Unfortunately it sounds like his attitude stinks and is basically pissing his career up the wall.
Lots of clubs have tried but failed with him,he would bring excess baggage we don't need.
I've heard good things about Henry and with local talent we seem to be missing he might be worth a look.
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There's no way in hell Remi will sign Ravel Morrisson. He's been fighting half a squad full of shit heads with a piss poor attitude for months. If he's struggling to get the best from Jack Grealish, he'll have a great time getting Morrison to perform. I said the other day that Berahino was the stinkiest little fox hunt in the Premier League. His crown would be well and truly stolen from his head by Morrison. Probably literally too.
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Another bloody left back?
It's only a link from a newspaper.
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Another bloody left back?
It's only a link from a newspaper.
Really?
Thanks for that.
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Another bloody left back?
It's only a link from a newspaper.
Really?
Thanks for that.
Well it is. You were complaining about 'another bloody left back' after all.
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Another bloody left back?
It's only a link from a newspaper.
Really?
Thanks for that.
Well it is. You were complaining about 'another bloody left back' after all.
It really is a good job there are condescending twats like you on here to point out the obvious to mere mortals.
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No need for abuse Andy
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Another bloody left back?
It's only a link from a newspaper.
Really?
Thanks for that.
Well it is. You were complaining about 'another bloody left back' after all.
It really is a good job there are condescending twats like you on here to point out the obvious to mere mortals.
Pack it in, and apologise at the same time.
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Another bloody left back?
It's only a link from a newspaper.
Really?
Thanks for that.
Well it is. You were complaining about 'another bloody left back' after all.
It really is a good job there are condescending twats like you on here to point out the obvious to mere mortals.
I was just pointing out that it was only a link in a newspaper. If i'm being 'a condescending twat' for pointing it out, then fair enough.
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Another bloody left back?
It's only a link from a newspaper.
Really?
Thanks for that.
Well it is. You were complaining about 'another bloody left back' after all.
It really is a good job there are condescending twats like you on here to point out the obvious to mere mortals.
Condescending means people talking down to you.
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Is Morrison still in some Italian timewarp with Jay Boothroyd ?
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The biscuits are revolting!
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They have nothing to lose but their wafers.
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The only thing to fear is Fear himself.
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I was just pointing out that it was only a link in a newspaper. If i'm being 'a condescending twat' for pointing it out, then fair enough.
There is no need to abuse Clampy Clampy.
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If Clampy doesn't apologise to Clampy, I'm leaving.
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Clampy really needs to have a word with himself.
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I reckon Clampy might refuse to shake Clampy's hand. It's going to be Suarez Evra all over again.
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Or Bridge Terry
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Per L'Equipe, Arsenal's Mathieu Debuchy has accepted idea of loan to AVFC until end of season. Frenchman not looking for permanent transfer. Copied from Twitter.
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I hope so. Fingers crossed a goalkeeper and a striker (more importantly) next.
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Clampy has apologised to Clampy and Clampy has accepted Clampy's apology.
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The Shitzophrenia Support Society is proud of both Clampys for their mature attitude.
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I think they made a split decision
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Took a Clamping break in Croatia did they? Probably sussing out the goalie we never got.
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Ukraine Press linking us to this striker, Roman Kozulya ( the Ukrainian Rooney, allegedly!) , I guess any link to a goalscorer ( however tenuous) is better than no link at all.
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/striker-says-he-s-well-up-for-transfer-to-aston-villa-dream-move-
Looks a bit of a beast ......................Godzvilla!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJh-DUZyavk
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Evening Mail linking us with Christian Santos from FC Nijmegen. Has a good goalscoring record albeit in the Dutch league.
Be nice to have a new striker, and goalkeeper (although quite pleased with how Bunn is playing).
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Here comes a friend of a friend post .... but my friend, who is Ukrainian says he's shite, looked decent a few years ago but has faded a bit since then.
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Evening Mail linking us with Christian Santos from FC Nijmegen. Has a good goalscoring record albeit in the Dutch league.
We've been linked with this pretty boy selfie lover since Jan 15th.
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I really wouldn't bother with a keeper now, Bunn is doing alright and next year we'll have Steer who is decent IMO
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Remy might be a goer if Chelsea get Pato, but his desire to come here would be very questionable.
Marouane Chamakh on loan either? Yes that is the sound of a barrel being scraped
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Here comes a friend of a friend post .... but my friend, who is Ukrainian says he's shite, looked decent a few years ago but has faded a bit since then.
His goal scoring stats are pretty poor - so not surprised.
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Remy might be a goer if Chelsea get Pato, but his desire to come here would be very questionable.
Marouane Chamakh on loan either? Yes that is the sound of a barrel being scraped
Mate, that's the drip trays being emptied for consumption.
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Some papers are reporting L-pool will listen to offers for Benteke. Get him back on loan until the end of the season, offering him a big fat wad of cash if we stay up, I am sure he would love to help his old club..winky.
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Looks like this lad has talent that he has not really fulfilled. Hmmm
Not sure Garde will go for an unknown Ukranian as the answer. Maybe as a second forward signing. I have a feeling (usually these are wrong) we will see 2 forwards this week as well as Debuchy and a keeper.
All a bit too late though!
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Evening Mail linking us with Christian Santos from FC Nijmegen. Has a good goalscoring record albeit in the Dutch league.
Be nice to have a new striker, and goalkeeper (although quite pleased with how Bunn is playing).
His Christian name is Christian, that's worked out well in the past four a striker picked up from a weaker league. I'll cling to anything at the minute...
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Remy might be a goer if Chelsea get Pato, but his desire to come here would be very questionable.
Marouane Chamakh on loan either? Yes that is the sound of a barrel being scraped
Mate, that's the drip trays being emptied for consumption.
Isn't that what Chamakh uses to style that mullet.
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Remy might be a goer if Chelsea get Pato, but his desire to come here would be very questionable.
Marouane Chamakh on loan either? Yes that is the sound of a barrel being scraped
Mate, that's the drip trays being emptied for consumption.
Isn't that what Chamakh uses to style that mullet.
I still laugh when I look at him. Does nobody tell him?
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He looks like the man luke chadwick wanted to be!
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Can our man at the airport confirm whether Lacazette or Batshuayi came back to Birmingham with Remi Garde this morning?
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By all accounts, Christian Santos's manager has come out and said that the player is ready to move on, so it looks like he's going somewhere.
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Remy might be a goer if Chelsea get Pato, but his desire to come here would be very questionable.
Marouane Chamakh on loan either? Yes that is the sound of a barrel being scraped
Mate, that's the drip trays being emptied for consumption.
Isn't that what Chamakh uses to style that mullet.
Lol.
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Leicester have turned down Remy on loan. The question is, exactly how desperate is he to move?
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I feel like Palace would be where Remy would go if he's allowed/chooses to go on loan.
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I really wouldn't bother with a keeper now, Bunn is doing alright and next year we'll have Steer who is decent IMO
Agreed, if we were staying in the PL I would have concerns with those two, but at Championship level can see them both being strong keepers.
Doesn't look like we're getting anyone which is a shame, but really recruitment is more vital for us in the summer.
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Get Jordan Rhodes in, that will be a dual purpose signing.
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Remy might be a goer if Chelsea get Pato, but his desire to come here would be very questionable.
Marouane Chamakh on loan either? Yes that is the sound of a barrel being scraped
Mate, that's the drip trays being emptied for consumption.
Isn't that what Chamakh uses to style that mullet.
I still laugh when I look at him. Does nobody tell him?
Even my Mrs laughed at his shit hair do
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Ukraine Press linking us to this striker, Roman Kozulya ( the Ukrainian Rooney, allegedly!) , I guess any link to a goalscorer ( however tenuous) is better than no link at all.
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/striker-says-he-s-well-up-for-transfer-to-aston-villa-dream-move-
Looks a bit of a beast ......................Godzvilla!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJh-DUZyavk
Two problems with this guy, firstly he requires crosses into the box and secondly he'll have to stop all that running about.
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has he borrowed Wayne's hair?
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By all accounts, Christian Santos's manager has come out and said that the player is ready to move on, so it looks like he's going somewhere.
Is there a link in a newspaper?
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Remy might be a goer if Chelsea get Pato, but his desire to come here would be very questionable.
Marouane Chamakh on loan either? Yes that is the sound of a barrel being scraped
Mate, that's the drip trays being emptied for consumption.
Isn't that what Chamakh uses to style that mullet.
I still laugh when I look at him. Does nobody tell him?
Even my Mrs laughed at his shit hair do
All the links are there though. French speaking, and played for Bordeaux when Remi was managing in France. Played for Arsenal. Not playing much right now.
If I was a journalist I could make a story out of that.
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Remy might be a goer if Chelsea get Pato, but his desire to come here would be very questionable.
Marouane Chamakh on loan either? Yes that is the sound of a barrel being scraped
Mate, that's the drip trays being emptied for consumption.
Isn't that what Chamakh uses to style that mullet.
I still laugh when I look at him. Does nobody tell him?
Even my Mrs laughed at his shit hair do
All the links are there though. French speaking, and played for Bordeaux when Remi was managing in France. Played for Arsenal. Not playing much right now.
If I was a journalist I could make a story out of that.
You should whack it up on twitter for a laugh, I'd bet it will be a serious link in one of the rags tomorrow.
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Remy might be a goer if Chelsea get Pato, but his desire to come here would be very questionable.
Marouane Chamakh on loan either? Yes that is the sound of a barrel being scraped
That's the sound of the Armitage Shanks being brillo padded after some of the more epic shithouse thread moments.
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Chamakh is better than Kozak and Gestede though. We could do worse on loan for a bit.
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Remy might be a goer if Chelsea get Pato, but his desire to come here would be very questionable.
Marouane Chamakh on loan either? Yes that is the sound of a barrel being scraped
Mate, that's the drip trays being emptied for consumption.
Isn't that what Chamakh uses to style that mullet.
I still laugh when I look at him. Does nobody tell him?
Even my Mrs laughed at his shit hair do
That's a bit harsh. Poor woman.
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Roman Zozulya?
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Chamakh is better than Kozak and Gestede though. We could do worse on loan for a bit.
Is he? Really??
Okay, better than Gestede but hardly a prolific scorer.
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After the Togan Zidane comes the Ukrainian Rooney.
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I forgot the Ecuadorian Beckham!
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Chamakh is better than Kozak and Gestede though. We could do worse on loan for a bit.
Is he? Really??
Okay, better than Gestede but hardly a prolific scorer.
Chamakh is pants. The last thing we want is another lump who can't really run up front. He's also 32 and has an appalling scoring record. I'd rather stick with Rudy personally. Rudy might not be brilliant and a little bit shit, but used correctly can be effective.
Kozak still has something to offer and will get better the sharper he gets.
If we sign someone, it should be someone with a bit of pace and skill.
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At least this place is more realistic than Twitter. Chamakh is about where we're at right now and is our level. Fans on Twitter are seriously discussing Benteke coming back on loan and getting their hopes up. My tweet "Anyone who thinks we can get Benteke back is fecking mental" has gone down well.
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At least this place is more realistic than Twitter. Chamakh is about where we're at right now and is our level. Fans on Twitter are seriously discussing Benteke coming back on loan and getting their hopes up. My tweet "Anyone who thinks we can get Benteke back is fecking mental" has gone down well.
I would of used "fucking" instead. 8)
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Chamakh is better than Kozak and Gestede though. We could do worse on loan for a bit.
He might've been better in the dim & distant', but he's that good now - he can't even get in to the Palace starting 11: and their recent goals-coring record is (probably) even shittier than ours! Oh, and his hair 'thing' he persists with should've brought about a string of criminal convictions by now. Obviously.
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Chamakh is shit. Just because we are in a shit position doesn't mean we should sign more garbage.
Shit + Shit = Shit.
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Leverkusen have sold right back Guilio Donati to Mainz. Could mean Debuchy has decided to go there
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Chamakh is utterly dreadful. No particular strengths other than diving. Avoid.
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At least this place is more realistic than Twitter. Chamakh is about where we're at right now and is our level. Fans on Twitter are seriously discussing Benteke coming back on loan and getting their hopes up. My tweet "Anyone who thinks we can get Benteke back is fecking mental" has gone down well.
Wait till (if) we are relegated. The players we will be targeting will be worse than this windows. We wont be discussing the likes of Benteke or even Chamakh. We will be shopping for the likes of Billy Sharp who can "do a job" and is "sensible financially".
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well that's what happens when you're consistently shite and eventually get sucked down the plug hole. you have to cut your cloth accordingly.
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Here comes a friend of a friend post .... but my friend, who is Ukrainian says he's shite, looked decent a few years ago but has faded a bit since then.
As I said , he's considered to be the Ukrainian Rooney ...................Godzvilla!
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Can't we discuss Benteke coming back on loan here?
If nothing else, it makes me happy.
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Can't we discuss Benteke coming back on loan here?
If nothing else, it makes me happy.
It's already being discussed in the 'Plans to Sleep With Mila Kunis' thread, on the grounds that they are equally as likely.
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Can't we discuss Benteke coming back on loan here?
If nothing else, it makes me happy.
I will play. After he saves us from relegation with a 15 goal haul, Lerner decides that we do need to spend to buy quality after all and he re signs permanently on the same deal Liverpool are paying him.
I like this discussion, it cheers me up as well :)
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Can't we discuss Benteke coming back on loan here?
If nothing else, it makes me happy.
It's already being discussed in the 'Plans to Sleep With Mila Kunis' thread, on the grounds that they are equally as likely.
She's a minger
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Can't we discuss Benteke coming back on loan here?
If nothing else, it makes me happy.
It's already being discussed in the 'Plans to Sleep With Mila Kunis' thread, on the grounds that they are equally as likely.
She's a minger
Turned you down too, then?
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Gosh, is there any hope?
8)
Or about Big Ben?
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There is a slight chance that we might get CB back on loan for the reasons I outlined earlier today. They hate him at Liverpool and he probably hates them. To come back to us for three months is the most practical way to revive his career. I am sure his agent has given it serious thought. If he hasn't he is an idiot. The possibility of it happening is slight but it is not "mental" or "deluded" to identify the possibility.
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Can't we discuss Benteke coming back on loan here?
If nothing else, it makes me happy.
It's already being discussed in the 'Plans to Sleep With Mila Kunis' thread, on the grounds that they are equally as likely.
On the balance I would prefer Bennie boy to Mila however unlikely.
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Best news all day
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Can't we discuss Benteke coming back on loan here?
If nothing else, it makes me happy.
It's already being discussed in the 'Plans to Sleep With Mila Kunis' thread, on the grounds that they are equally as likely.
On the balance I would prefer Bennie boy to Mila however unlikely.
Me too, and I love Mila Kunis.
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Gosh, is there any hope?
8)
What....about Mila? She is overrated in my view.
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Gosh, is there any hope?
8)
What....about Mila? She is overrated in my view.
More chance of getting that Doris in the scratcher than Benteke back to VP
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Can't we discuss Benteke coming back on loan here?
If nothing else, it makes me happy.
I will play. After he saves us from relegation with a 15 goal haul, Lerner decides that we do need to spend to buy quality after all and he re signs permanently on the same deal Liverpool are paying him.
I like this discussion, it cheers me up as well :)
This is a great game.
Benteke returns like an Ancient Belgian warrior. Pledges his loyalty before kick off on his second home debut. Proceeds to bag a first half hat trick and a brace in the second and, in just 90 minutes become Villa's top scorer.
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Can't we discuss Benteke coming back on loan here?
If nothing else, it makes me happy.
I will play. After he saves us from relegation with a 15 goal haul, Lerner decides that we do need to spend to buy quality after all and he re signs permanently on the same deal Liverpool are paying him.
I like this discussion, it cheers me up as well :)
This is a great game.
Benteke returns like an Ancient Belgian warrior. Pledges his loyalty before kick off on his second home debut. Proceeds to bag a first half hat trick and a brace in the second and, in just 90 minutes become Villa's top scorer.
But then sadly you wake up and you need to change your sheets. That said it's a good dream. It beats having recurring nightmares about Grant Holt.
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Can't we discuss Benteke coming back on loan here?
If nothing else, it makes me happy.
I will play. After he saves us from relegation with a 15 goal haul, Lerner decides that we do need to spend to buy quality after all and he re signs permanently on the same deal Liverpool are paying him.
I like this discussion, it cheers me up as well :)
This is a great game.
Benteke returns like an Ancient Belgian warrior. Pledges his loyalty before kick off on his second home debut. Proceeds to bag a first half hat trick and a brace in the second and, in just 90 minutes become Villa's top scorer.
Sounds good to me!
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I really enjoyed Benteke's double hatrick in the 6-0 rout at Old Trafford in April to lift us to 16th
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It'd never happen.
We wouldn't be able to afford his wages, he would be too proud to come back here, and if he were moving, he'd have plenty of offers.
Liverpool was definitely a bad move for him, though.
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He might.
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And he'll never displace Gestede.
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And he'll never displace Gestede.
Well, who would?
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It'd never happen.
We wouldn't be able to afford his wages, he would be too proud to come back here, and if he were moving, he'd have plenty of offers.
Liverpool was definitely a bad move for him, though.
Spoilsport
That's not the game we are playing
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And he'll never displace Gestede.
Well, who would?
Thats true.
He wouldn't be happy about being behind Gabby, Kozak, Gestede and not forgetting Sinclair in the competitive joust for first team action.
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And he'll never displace Gestede.
Well, who would?
Someone with a drill to dig out the concrete he's been set in?
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Benteke was a bit of a sulker when we had some decent players, got knows how he'd react to playing with this shower.
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And he'll never displace Gestede.
Well, who would?
Someone with a drill to dig out the concrete he's been set in?
In fact that's just got me thinking, is it wrong to want us to sign Ciro Immobile just so his name can appear next to Gestede on a team sheet?
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And he'll never displace Gestede.
Well, who would?
Someone with a drill to dig out the concrete he's been set in?
In fact that's just got me thinking, is it wrong to want us to sign Ciro Immobile just so his name can appear next to Gestede on a team sheet?
That's just wicked!
I still want Big Ben, though.
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Is it going to be a repeat of the summer when it comes to goalkeepers? Have one target then just give up on the idea when it doesn't come off.
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Is it going to be a repeat of the summer when it comes to goalkeepers? Have one target then just give up on the idea when it doesn't come off.
Isn't this one 2nd choice or even 3rd or was that just media speculation.
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Mandanda was clearly first choice. This guy must have been second.
I still can't believe they are not trying to find a way round that.
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It'd never happen.
We wouldn't be able to afford his wages, he would be too proud to come back here, and if he were moving, he'd have plenty of offers.
Liverpool was definitely a bad move for him, though.
Who would have said he'd sign a contract extension in the summer of 2013? Stranger things have happened.
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Mandanda was clearly first choice. This guy must have been second.
I still can't believe they are not trying to find a way round that.
If you're still talking about the Croatian then there's definitely more to it then we know. he won't have failed a work permit appeal after an application as he wouldn't need one. So, unless there is some doubt about his nationality or how he got his nationality, there must be something seriously dodgy in his or a member of his families application to join him.
Or, he just didn't want to come or we pulled the plug. Which is most likely.
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As for being able to afford CB a loan move to us would be self financing. Suppose we pay him, what, £1.5 million in wages. We would get half of that back from increased ticket sales by the end of the season. Plus peripheral increased shirt and shop merchandise sales generated by the publicity. Add to that the televised game income generated by the companies wanting to follow the "Ben Comes Home" story and the money is assured. Some knowledgeable poster like PWS will also tell us if there is any financial advantage from not finishing rock bottom of the heap.
The alternative of shelling out two or three million for some clapped out old donkey looking for a final easy slurp of gravy brings the likes of Adebeyor to mind who we came within a medical of signing on £150,000 a week and chauffeuring him to training from London.
Compared to that madness the persuasion of Benteke back into the fold for twelve weeks makes excellent financial sense however slight it might be.
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But it won't happen.
Why would Liverpool, whop are short of strikers, let their £32.5m signing go? Especially as they are chasing top 4 - however remote that may be. yes things are not working out for him but Liverpool won't just release him on loan. It's absurd to even contemplate such a move and the rationale behind it for them.
Would he come? maybe, maybe not. If he ends playing with crap players who give him very little service how does that help him before the Euros?
Yes, anyone can make a hypothetical case for him joining but the reality is that it makes no sense for Liverpool, and more of a risk for Benteke than staying put and trying to turn it around with better players at a club that isn't a shambles.
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they are looking to offload someone they haven't even finished paying for?
Sounds like a bad case of payday loans management
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Brian I am not that certain that Benteke would reproduce his early form with us especially as we do not have anyone capable of feeding him.
He has looked very confused at Liverpool totally out of place yet although he is better than anyone else we could get I don't see him scoring the goals we need his movement is very poor at times. ... Waiting to be shot down.
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I do not disagree with any if that Peter except I would add the words "most probably" between your won't and happen.
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won't most probably happen? Thank Yoda Green...
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I take that as a compliment.because I do not know what a Yoda is.
I should have added in case a Yoda is something I should be ashamed to be and I need to embellish my case that the biggest beneficiary of the rehabilation of Benteke would be Liverpool themselves. They are the ones who have screwed up a massive outlay on a player the fans now detest.
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the force needs to be with BG
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I wouldn't say they all detest him. I had a browse on his twitter page last night (which incidentally still has background images of him in a Villa shirt) and there is stick from certain people but quite a lot of it is positive and along the lines of 'keep on going'. He hasn't tweeted anything since the end of December mind.
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Lately I have been racing in the north west and mixing, uncomfortably with large numbers of scousers and faux scousers, one of whom is in the employ of an ex Liverpool player. They know where my loyalties lie and I have been singled out for abuse for simply being an admirer of Christian Benteke so what the man himself must he getting is fairly obvious.
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Whenever I have seen him playing for 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' 9 only on edited TV highlights mind) he's looked even more detached and peripheral in his contact with teammates than he did here. Maybe it's just something in his personality though and I am beginning to think CB might become the most talented journeyman of all time
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Mandanda was clearly first choice. This guy must have been second.
I still can't believe they are not trying to find a way round that.
If you're still talking about the Croatian then there's definitely more to it then we know. he won't have failed a work permit appeal after an application as he wouldn't need one. So, unless there is some doubt about his nationality or how he got his nationality, there must be something seriously dodgy in his or a member of his families application to join him.
Appreciate that this is normally your area of expertise, but that's not correct - he does need a work permit.
Croatian nationals still need a permit to work in the UK (and half a dozen other countries) until July 2018. Something to do with both countries agreeing to a transitional period of freedom of movement following EU accession.
Leicester had to get one for Kramaric last January as well, so I expect that it is the work permit.
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But it won't happen.
Why would Liverpool, whop are short of strikers, let their £32.5m signing go? Especially as they are chasing top 4 - however remote that may be. yes things are not working out for him but Liverpool won't just release him on loan. It's absurd to even contemplate such a move and the rationale behind it for them.
Ill take this one. They would probably let him go because their prized asset is currently sat on the bench depreciating in value. It seems their manager would rather play attacking midfielders up top or play without a striker. They are currently paying him 100 odd grand a week to be an 18stone bench weight that is offering nothing to their top four challenge. Yes, there is the hope that he could get a goal and spark into life but it hasnt happened so far - almost every goal he has scored has been self made or from a bit of luck and has been a one off. loaning him to Villa would free up wages to bring in someone else, get him firing to either bring him back into the fold next year or sell for his true value and finally, would more than likely see us pick up points off the teams around them challenging for fourth place.
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Mandanda was clearly first choice. This guy must have been second.
I still can't believe they are not trying to find a way round that.
If you're still talking about the Croatian then there's definitely more to it then we know. he won't have failed a work permit appeal after an application as he wouldn't need one. So, unless there is some doubt about his nationality or how he got his nationality, there must be something seriously dodgy in his or a member of his families application to join him.
Appreciate that this is normally your area of expertise, but that's not correct - he does need a work permit.
Croatian nationals still need a permit to work in the UK (and half a dozen other countries) until July 2018. Something to do with both countries agreeing to a transitional period of freedom of movement following EU accession.
Leicester had to get one for Kramaric last January as well, so I expect that it is the work permit.
Maybe he needed a Purple but Villa only completed a Blue
https://www.gov.uk/croatian-national/overview
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Thank you mattjpa. Welcome to my world. One where musings are permitted.
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Would Rob Green not be a decent shout for a keeper for the rest of this season and next season if we do go down? Was just thinking out loud via my keyboard.... I'll run that one up the flag pole and see does anyone salute.....
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But it won't happen.
Why would Liverpool, whop are short of strikers, let their £32.5m signing go? Especially as they are chasing top 4 - however remote that may be. yes things are not working out for him but Liverpool won't just release him on loan. It's absurd to even contemplate such a move and the rationale behind it for them.
Would he come? maybe, maybe not. If he ends playing with crap players who give him very little service how does that help him before the Euros?
Yes, anyone can make a hypothetical case for him joining but the reality is that it makes no sense for Liverpool, and more of a risk for Benteke than staying put and trying to turn it around with better players at a club that isn't a shambles.
Liverpool are going for Alex Teixeira from Shaktar. Therefore Benteke could be surplus. What a better way for him to gain some confidence and sign us. He knows the club, the vast majority of his team mates.
We're talking about Liverpool who signed Andy Carroll for £50m. Therefore anything is possible.
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But it won't happen.
Why would Liverpool, whop are short of strikers, let their £32.5m signing go? Especially as they are chasing top 4 - however remote that may be. yes things are not working out for him but Liverpool won't just release him on loan. It's absurd to even contemplate such a move and the rationale behind it for them.
Would he come? maybe, maybe not. If he ends playing with crap players who give him very little service how does that help him before the Euros?
Yes, anyone can make a hypothetical case for him joining but the reality is that it makes no sense for Liverpool, and more of a risk for Benteke than staying put and trying to turn it around with better players at a club that isn't a shambles.
Liverpool are going for Alex Teixeira from Shaktar. Therefore Benteke could be surplus. What a better way for him to gain some confidence and sign us. He knows the club, the vast majority of his team mates.
We're talking about Liverpool who signed Andy Carroll for £50m. Therefore anything is possible.
You're about £15m out on that figure. Not that it's not still a fuck of a lot of money.
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Would Rob Green not be a decent shout for a keeper for the rest of this season and next season if we do go down? Was just thinking out loud via my keyboard.... I'll run that one up the flag pole and see does anyone salute.....
be prepared for incoming...
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Would Rob Green not be a decent shout for a keeper for the rest of this season and next season if we do go down? Was just thinking out loud via my keyboard.... I'll run that one up the flag pole and see does anyone salute.....
One fingered salute ;)
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Would Rob Green not be a decent shout for a keeper for the rest of this season and next season if we do go down? Was just thinking out loud via my keyboard.... I'll run that one up the flag pole and see does anyone salute.....
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Saluting.Excellent keeper for his clubs but disregarded by many ,I believe unfairly,for one horrendous howler for England v USA in WC 2010.
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Would Rob Green not be a decent shout for a keeper for the rest of this season and next season if we do go down? Was just thinking out loud via my keyboard.... I'll run that one up the flag pole and see does anyone salute.....
Saluting.Excellent keeper for his clubs but disregarded by many ,I believe unfairly,for one horrendous howler for England v USA in WC 2010.
Have you not seen some of his howlers for West Ham and QPR?
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The value of the Benteke links to this thread should not be discounted.....
it's pushed the James Milner links and the Gareth Barry ones even further into the fading dim and distant past
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So are we actually linked with anyone today?
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Think the club have given up.
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A couple of loans from Europe or a point on that Santos for a month of Nzogbia wages would surely be better than nothing. All a bit depressing.
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it's so bad atm even my Prozac's got the blues
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Mind you I am glad we are not blowing 12.5m on Andros Townsend
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So are we actually linked with anyone today?
Sky just reporting we are back in for goalkeeper Lovre Kalinic, talks in progress, allegedly !........Godzvilla!
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Mind you I am glad we are not blowing £12.50m on Andros Townsend
Fixed
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Is the deadline Feb 1st?
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Would Rob Green not
You should have left it at that.
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Is the deadline Feb 1st?
Yes. I'm hoping we see Kalinic, Debuchy and a CF before then. Big week needed.
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it's so bad atm even my Prozac's got the blues
Which Eastern European team does Prozac play for ?
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Is the deadline Feb 1st?
Yes. I'm hoping we see Kalinic, Debuchy and a CF before then. Big week needed.
I want 4. Keeper, Debuchy, 2 forwards
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Is the deadline Feb 1st?
Yup - 11pm on Feb 1st
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Would Rob Green not be a decent shout for a keeper for the rest of this season and next season if we do go down? Was just thinking out loud via my keyboard.... I'll run that one up the flag pole and see does anyone salute.....
Saluting.Excellent keeper for his clubs but disregarded by many ,I believe unfairly,for one horrendous howler for England v USA in WC 2010.
Have you not seen some of his howlers for West Ham and QPR?
Yeah, we need a keeper who'd be an upgrade on Guzan, not even more error prone.
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Is the deadline Feb 1st?
Yes. I'm hoping we see Kalinic, Debuchy and a CF before then. Big week needed.
I want 4. Keeper, Debuchy, 2 forwards
Greedy. You are right though, we could do with a wide forward too.
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Greedy. You are right though, we could do with a wide forward too.
We had Grant Holt on loan once - he was wide.
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Is the deadline Feb 1st?
Yes. I'm hoping we see Kalinic, Debuchy and a CF before then. Big week needed.
I want 4. Keeper, Debuchy, 2 forwards
Greedy. You are right though, we could do with a wide forward too.
Greedy indeed. But 2 forwards of some description should not be so hard to get. They only have to be more mobile and have more pace than Gestede and Kozak. Ayew is great, but Sinclair goes on his holidays for huge periods of a game and the others are soooo slooooow! Its like watching people run in slow motion.
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Mandanda was clearly first choice. This guy must have been second.
I still can't believe they are not trying to find a way round that.
If you're still talking about the Croatian then there's definitely more to it then we know. he won't have failed a work permit appeal after an application as he wouldn't need one. So, unless there is some doubt about his nationality or how he got his nationality, there must be something seriously dodgy in his or a member of his families application to join him.
Appreciate that this is normally your area of expertise, but that's not correct - he does need a work permit.
Croatian nationals still need a permit to work in the UK (and half a dozen other countries) until July 2018. Something to do with both countries agreeing to a transitional period of freedom of movement following EU accession.
Leicester had to get one for Kramaric last January as well, so I expect that it is the work permit.
Ah, that's right. He could have failed on many grounds then. He wouldn't actually need a Work permit if he was exceprional in his field, which he isn't, so a refusal could be on many grounds. A basic one would be a lack of English.
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Garde has said he hopes to have players in this week so they are working on it I presume.
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Is the deadline Feb 1st?
Yes. I'm hoping we see Kalinic, Debuchy and a CF before then. Big week needed.
I want 4. Keeper, Debuchy, 2 forwards
If Debuchy wanted to come to us he would have come by now, obviously waiting to see if he gets any better offers, if not he might decide to come but don't give me any crap of actually wanting to come to Villa!
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Sunderland are in for him now.
considering both are rubbish, surely a move here is better than going back to the north east for 4 months!
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given our situation I actually don't want us signing people who are happy to come here right now. I want people that we've had to work hard to convince to join us. Players that are happy to come are either not good enough and they know it or they've just doing it for the pay. I want players that really don't want a relegation on their record and have only agreed to join because Garde has convinced them that we can get out of it.
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given our situation I actually don't want us signing people who are happy to come here right now. I want people that we've had to work hard to convince to join us. Players that are happy to come are either not good enough and they know it or they've just doing it for the pay. I want players that really don't want a relegation on their record and have only agreed to join because Garde has convinced them that we can get out of it.
That'll be nobody then.
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But it won't happen.
Why would Liverpool, whop are short of strikers, let their £32.5m signing go? Especially as they are chasing top 4 - however remote that may be. yes things are not working out for him but Liverpool won't just release him on loan. It's absurd to even contemplate such a move and the rationale behind it for them.
Would he come? maybe, maybe not. If he ends playing with crap players who give him very little service how does that help him before the Euros?
Yes, anyone can make a hypothetical case for him joining but the reality is that it makes no sense for Liverpool, and more of a risk for Benteke than staying put and trying to turn it around with better players at a club that isn't a shambles.
Liverpool are going for Alex Teixeira from Shaktar. Therefore Benteke could be surplus. What a better way for him to gain some confidence and sign us. He knows the club, the vast majority of his team mates.
We're talking about Liverpool who signed Andy Carroll for £50m. Therefore anything is possible.
You're about £15m out on that figure. Not that it's not still a fuck of a lot of money.
You're right. £35m....Not far off what they paid for Benteke ;)
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Although he's not doing as well as they'd like, Benteke is still their top scorer so far this season. I'd be very surprised if they let him go anywhere this window.
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Although he's not doing as well as they'd like, Benteke is still their top scorer so far this season. I'd be very surprised if they let him go anywhere this window.
Overall or in the league ?
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Although he's not doing as well as they'd like, Benteke is still their top scorer so far this season. I'd be very surprised if they let him go anywhere this window.
Overall or in the league ?
Both.
Edited to add http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/top-scorers
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Some clown called Jonny Gould (whoever he is) reckons Liverpool only signed him based on his form at the back end of last season. How do these people get jobs in journalism?
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Some clown called Jonny Gould (whoever he is) reckons Liverpool only signed him based on his form at the back end of last season. How do these people get jobs in journalism?
Is that the Jonny Gould who was involved with VFC and is a big mate of Howard Hodgson?
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One would have thought that if there was any possibility of it happening (which there simply isn't) it would have been a negotiating tool when we were in discussion re sending back that centre-half the other month? You know, "We need a forward; you need a centre-half. Give us Benteke, we'll pay his wages, and job's a good 'un".
Madness to think there's any legs in it.
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Used to be on Talksport and is a Villa fan.Its been a long time since he was on there mind.
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Used to be on Talksport and is a Villa fan.Its been a long time since he was on there mind.
He is on Sky News some mornings doing the newpaper review.
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Some clown called Jonny Gould (whoever he is) reckons Liverpool only signed him based on his form at the back end of last season. How do these people get jobs in journalism?
Is that the Jonny Gould who was involved with VFC and is a big mate of Howard Hodgson?
Who isn't a big mate of Howard Hodgson? He has a boat and some big cars you know.
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Some clown called Jonny Gould (whoever he is) reckons Liverpool only signed him based on his form at the back end of last season. How do these people get jobs in journalism?
Is that the Jonny Gould who was involved with VFC and is a big mate of Howard Hodgson?
Who isn't a big mate of Howard Hodgson? He has a boat and some big cars you know.
Actor too.
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Some clown called Jonny Gould (whoever he is) reckons Liverpool only signed him based on his form at the back end of last season. How do these people get jobs in journalism?
Is that the Jonny Gould who was involved with VFC and is a big mate of Howard Hodgson?
Who isn't a big mate of Howard Hodgson? He has a boat and some big cars you know.
But hey he wrote a report on how to save Villa. The conclusions were something like 'appoint a good manager, buy better players, adopt better tactics and develop the youth' It was mind blowing stuff.
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Some clown called Jonny Gould (whoever he is) reckons Liverpool only signed him based on his form at the back end of last season. How do these people get jobs in journalism?
Is that the Jonny Gould who was involved with VFC and is a big mate of Howard Hodgson?
Who isn't a big mate of Howard Hodgson? He has a boat and some big cars you know.
Has he? Blimey, he kept that quiet.
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Apparently Newcastle are in talks for Remy too. Sign him and Townsend to go with Gru they will have some decent options. Shame they have a complete bottler as a manager.
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Townsend for 12m is the sort of business that would have had people up in arms on here though.
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Apparently Newcastle are in talks for Remy too. Sign him and Townsend to go with Gru they will have some decent options. Shame they have a complete bottler as a manager.
They'll probably stay up. I expect Norwich and Bournemouth to have a difficult end to the season when their puff runs out, and if we've any hope of surviving it's one of them we need to catch. That said catching one might not be enough. If we do stay up it'll probably be the most astounding achievement in our history given the circumstances and probably the greatest relegation escape seen since football began (1992)
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Townsend for 12m is the sort of business that would have had people up in arms on here though.
And if all that spunking of cash doesn't keep them up, they're fucked.
Which would obviously be hilarious.
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Townsend for 12m is the sort of business that would have had people up in arms on here though.
Too right. He'd be like an expensive Scott Sinclair.
Receive the ball out wide.
Cut in and shoot.
Repeat.
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Townsend for 12m is the sort of business that would have had people up in arms on here though.
It's pretty irresponsible spending. What are his wages?
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I don't think I'm going to get a rake of beer and party food in for the Sky Transfer Centre special on 01 Feb.
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Townsend for 12m is the sort of business that would have had people up in arms on here though.
It's pretty irresponsible spending. What are his wages?
He must be on a fair wedge at Spurs, and I think Newcastle will have to improve on those terms to tempt him to the club. I also imagine a release clause will be added.
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A quick look online has conflicting amounts for what he was on at Spurs. Most say 16K a week, a couple of others 40K.
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£250,000 a week is the figure I've made up.
Madness, Tom Huddlestone is on £150,000 a week, probably.
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Townsend is a slightly above average Premier League player, but that's what £12m gets you these days.
Look at Bourenmouth have spent on their last two, Afobe and the winger from Norwich who's name escaped me. £10m and £7m weren't they?
We were spending £12m on Milner & Downing 6-7 years ago...
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A quick look online has conflicting amounts. Most say 16K a week, a couple of others 40K.
I'd be astonished if it was 16k. 40k is probably the low end. To be fair Spurs don't generally pay bonkers wage fees, but he'll want a good rise to go to the Toon, knowing full well he's walking into a circus.
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As an England international there'll be no way that he'll be on as little as 16k a week.
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Must admit I am feeling somewhat frustrated with the lack of activity now. Bonkers fees aside, Newcastle are doing what we should be, spending money on decent players. Shelvey and Townsend are both better than anything we have in the team right now, and it looks liken they are in for Remy as well.
I'm off to watch Fleetwood play Walsall this evening, maybe I should offer to scout.
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I wouldn't...pitch inspection at 3
As an aside I went to Fleetwood v Colchester earlier in the season wearing my Villa top. The head steward is a Villa fan who went to Rotterdam in 82. Had a great chat with him.
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Must admit I am feeling somewhat frustrated with the lack of activity now. Bonkers fees aside, Newcastle are doing what we should be, spending money on decent players. Shelvey and Townsend are both better than anything we have in the team right now, and it looks liken they are in for Remy as well.
I'm off to watch Fleetwood play Walsall this evening, maybe I should offer to scout.
From the BBC:
46 minutes ago From the section Football
Tuesday's League One game between Fleetwood Town and Walsall has been postponed because of a waterlogged pitch at Highbury Stadium.
No new date has yet been set for the game to be played.
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A quick look online has conflicting amounts. Most say 16K a week, a couple of others 40K.
I'd be astonished if it was 16k. 40k is probably the low end. To be fair Spurs don't generally pay bonkers wage fees, but he'll want a good rise to go to the Toon, knowing full well he's walking into a circus.
He only signed the contract just over 2 years ago after he had played half a dozen or so league games so it could well have been that low, certainly to begin with.
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From the BBC:
46 minutes ago From the section Football
Tuesday's League One game between Fleetwood Town and Walsall has been postponed because of a waterlogged pitch at Highbury Stadium.
No new date has yet been set for the game to be played.
Got the ticket off the groundsman - you'd think he would have let us know!
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I see Burnley have signed paul robinson. Maybe Tom Heaton is on his way somewhere?
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From the BBC:
46 minutes ago From the section Football
Tuesday's League One game between Fleetwood Town and Walsall has been postponed because of a waterlogged pitch at Highbury Stadium.
No new date has yet been set for the game to be played.
Got the ticket off the groundsman - you'd think he would have let us know!
Ticket scandal at Fleetwood. Bet he's raking it in.
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I am starting to get concerned at the lack of action now.
That plus the mood of acceptance in the Trust AGM transcript lead me to think we are not going to try.
Disappointing if true.
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I see Burnley have signed paul robinson. Maybe Tom Heaton is on his way somewhere?
nothing in this I think as Heaton is number 1 and Gilkes the number two(no giggling at the back) is currently injured...I have a good friend that knows the Heaton family well and says that Tom is Burnley through and through and given our own dodgy position I reckon he would fancy his chances coming up with Burnley.
UTV
The Doc
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Sign some fucking players you set of incompetent thundercunts!
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£250,000 a week is the figure I've made up.
Madness, Tom Huddlestone is on £150,000 a week, probably.
I doubt it at Hull?
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Ticket scandal at Fleetwood. Bet he's raking it in.
No, I do a lot of work with the local college who specialise in training groundsman and greenkeepers. The Real Madrid groundsman trained there, but sadly no free tickets for them.
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Sign some fucking players you set of incompetent thundercunts!
That.
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I cant actually believe that with every passing day we are coming to the end of the window and have nobody in. Im not being sensationalist, I just find it so hard to believe. Usually, the club is very limited on statements and we are just left to fill in the blanks and guess their intentions. If nobody does come in and we are left cut adrift at the bottom whilst the teams above all strengthen, it will be the clearest admission of the club giving up possible.
I wonder what effect that will have on the team and the bit of momentum we have built up. I suppose either galvanise them or bury them
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Sign some fucking players you set of incompetent thundercunts!
I would not normally condone such naughty language, even on a football message board, but this sums up my thoughts perfectly.
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It's pretty clear that baring miracles they've accepted relegation and are ''planning'' for next season. Can't wait to see their bright ideas in the summer. I wouldn't trust any of them to organise a fucking raffle.
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Nearly 200 pages now and not a single player signed! Don't hold your breath on this.....
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Palace sign Adebayor.
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Palace sign Adebayor.
God finally sent him a message, it came in the form of Alan Pardew waving a handful of Wonga in his face.
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Palace sign Adebayor.
Ahh, Pardew-plus-Adebayor. I can't wait.
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The only thing more boring than our team this season is the January window for us. One bloke we cant get a permit for and the other link was someone for 50 odd quid. We've certainly found a way of making this season even shitter for us all, suck the life out of the transfer window.
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sign some bloody players or at least
please get rid of some of our shit
this is what happens when you bottom of the league - great work board
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Even a report that we've abandoned Nzogbia in the north sea and set fire to Gabbys contract in front of his face would cheer me up. It's one thing being shit, it's another just sitting there letting it all meander along to a peaceful death.
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Looks like the Kalinic deal may not be dead yet.....
http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/26/report-aston-villa-still-holding-talks-with-lovre-kalinic-despit/ (http://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2016/01/26/report-aston-villa-still-holding-talks-with-lovre-kalinic-despit/)
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Who would want any of our shit?
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So what has happened from Sunday and now that makes them think the permit would be granted?
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Palace sign Adebayor.
Ahh, Pardew-plus-Adebayor. I can't wait.
I reckon he'll do a perfectly decent job there.
Better than any of their current strikers. Or ours, obviously.
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So what has happened from Sunday and now that makes them think the permit would be granted?
Bit of a health warning due to the source of this but they say a second appeal is being considered. No idea whether that's even possible though.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-target-lovre-kalinic-10791045 http://
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Adebayor always wanted London.
We would have been better with him certainly and Pardew will get comments that he is a genius for getting him in when he scores a lot
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I saw Gabby, in Asda at minworth!
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Palace sign Adebayor.
Ahh, Pardew-plus-Adebayor. I can't wait.
I reckon he'll do a perfectly decent job there.
Better than any of their current strikers. Or ours, obviously.
They only have a few matches left - surely even those two can't combust in so short a time?
But what fun if they did!
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I saw Gabby, in Asda at minworth!
Was he buying pies?
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I saw Gabby, in Asda at minworth!
Did you give him a wide berth?
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I bet he wasn't heading the express checkout lane
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I saw Gabby, in Asda at minworth!
Was he buying pies?
Buying another fat bastard cake with lardy arse custard.
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I saw Gabby, in Asda at minworth!
Was he buying pies?
Buying another fat bastard cake with lardy arse custard.
Or what I like to call "pudding".
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I saw Gabby, in Asda at minworth!
I must be getting old, I still call it Carefour.
Hope he trips over his donuts in the car park.
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I saw Gabby, in Asda at minworth!
He should be working in Asda at minworth really.
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Gabby and a giant sewage works in the same location. There's a thing.
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Not much whiff coming over our way from Minworth tonight. And
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I really hope we get a keeper, defender and a striker. If we don't it'll be very disappointing.
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I really hope we get a keeper, defender and a striker. If we don't it'll be very disappointing.
Yep, thats what we need certainly, but If we only get one singing in this window a centre forward pretty please Mr Learner.
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I saw Gabby, in Asda at minworth!
Was he buying pies?
doubt it, he buys those in bulk from Costco
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Palace sign Adebayor.
Ahh, Pardew-plus-Adebayor. I can't wait.
I reckon he'll do a perfectly decent job there.
Better than any of their current strikers. Or ours, obviously.
They only have a few matches left - surely even those two can't combust in so short a time?
But what fun if they did!
I don't think he's ever really combusted with anybody has he?
When he's had a manager who has wanted to use him (Wenger, Hughes, Mourinho, Sherwood) he's generally done a very good job, when he's had a manager who hasn't wanted to use him (Mancini, Villas-Boas, Pochettino) he's not complained, he's just sat there and got on with things.
I don't recall many arguments with those latter three. I'm pretty sure that Pardew is going to be more of a Hughes/Sherwood type, and I reckon he's easily going to get the nine goals that he'll want to score to beat Drogba's record.
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We aren't signing anyone are we and Erick Black doesn't count.
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Adebayor to Palace. (Sorry if old).
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/26/emmanuel-adebayor-crystal-palace-signs-short-term
Not that I wanted him but for those who had him on their suggestions list, he is off it now.
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Palace have got a few centre forward on their books now, maybe it will free up Dwight Gayle? I don't rate him that much but he's more use than what we've got.
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Palace have got a few centre forward on their books now, maybe it will free up Dwight Gayle? I don't rate him that much but he's more use than what we've got.
My thoughts exactly.
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I still believe if adebayor had come on board in the summer we wouldn't be in the bottom three. The mad mumbo jumbo worshipping nutter.
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I still believe if adebayor had come on board in the summer we wouldn't be in the bottom three. The mad mumbo jumbo worshipping nutter.
Mumbo jumbo? His spiritual advisor was spot on.
Randy should get his number.
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Haha. Maybe his mum cursed us.
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West Ham are being linked with Debuchy now too. Not sure we really need him but it would be nice to bring someone in just to show us they are actually trying.
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Time to throw a bit of money at the problem I think. They all have their price.
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200 pages and no signings as yet...
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
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I still believe if adebayor had come on board in the summer we wouldn't be in the bottom three. The mad mumbo jumbo worshipping nutter.
I agree. I reckon Sherwood would still be in a job as well.
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I still believe if adebayor had come on board in the summer we wouldn't be in the bottom three. The mad mumbo jumbo worshipping nutter.
It will be interesting to see how he gets on at Palace. No doubting his class on his day.
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I still believe if adebayor had come on board in the summer we wouldn't be in the bottom three. The mad mumbo jumbo worshipping nutter.
I agree. I reckon Sherwood would still be in a job as well.
Most likely. I think we would have won the Sunderland home game, probably Swansea too, and then nicked a couple of others and be up around 21-22 points now.
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Mame Diouf anyone? Didn't make the Stoke 18 tonight and if Crouch is ahead of him in the pecking order now I'd say he'd be available for loan.
12 league goals last season and has pace, should be in if he's available.
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There's a lot retrospective 20/20 vision on here. I seem to recall a huge sigh of relief when it was revealed Adebayor wasn't coming? Anyway if my aunt had balls etc etc.
We are where we are folks.
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There's a lot retrospective 20/20 vision on here. I seem to recall a huge sigh of relief when it was revealed Adebayor wasn't coming? Anyway if my aunt had balls etc etc.
We are where we are folks.
I would say that was based on the naive assumption we had another option , we didn't and suffered the consequences
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
His form over the past five seasons perhaps?
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
Yep, you're taking being a Villa fan (although one who never actually went to games, according to himself) and scoring a winner at the Sty as being sufficient mitigating factors for him contributing the square root of fuck all for several seasons now, whilst looking fat and unbothered.
Not having a go at you, but I always find that "but he's a villa fan! he's a legend!" stuff so small time.
So fucking what if he's a Villa fan? Is that enough? Of course it isn't.
The fact that it has actually been seen as enough for the last five years says everything you need to know about our half-witted acceptance of mediocrity.
There are few things which would make me respect Garde more than him punting Agbonlahor out this summer.
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There's a lot retrospective 20/20 vision on here. I seem to recall a huge sigh of relief when it was revealed Adebayor wasn't coming?
Not really. Some people in the summer thought he would be a useful player to have, others didn't. Some people now think that Palace have made a good signing, others don't.
I'd guess that it'll be split along pretty similar lines to the summer.
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Mame Diouf anyone? Didn't make the Stoke 18 tonight and if Crouch is ahead of him in the pecking order now I'd say he'd be available for loan.
12 league goals last season and has pace, should be in if he's available.
Good shout, his mother died tragically some months back. May explain his loss of form in recent times. Regular football is something we can offer. The sight of Kozak, Sinclair, Gestede or Gabby leading the line this season has been depressing
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200 pages and no signings as yet...
Be like me and adjust your settings. 120 isn't so bad, right? :o
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So what has happened from Sunday and now that makes them think the permit would be granted?
Bit of a health warning due to the source of this but they say a second appeal is being considered. No idea whether that's even possible though.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-target-lovre-kalinic-10791045 http://
You can apply for permission to appeal before a second appeal is heard.
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
He's shit, he's not a Villa fan and you get 3 points for winning any game. So yes, you're missing the point. So the only reason why you love him so much is because he's scored a few goals against the shite and the stripey filth. What about the other 30 odd games?
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They've probably already all been mentioned, but the tenuous inter web links that I can find at the moment are:
1) Daniele Padelli, GK, Torino
2) Rico Henry, LB, Walsall
3) Seymour Doumbia, FW, Roma
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Do you have to apply to be able to apply for permission for the appeal?
When it comes to professional footballers it seems quite harsh to me to have rules in place where you have to have played x amount of games for your country. Why does it matter? Am I missing something? Especially being a GK there's only one bastard spot!
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Always a limited footballer that looked useful with good players around him, his effort the last few games he played was abysmal. Feel sorry for Garde desperate to get players in and no-one wanting to come, who would have thought that a player would rather play for Crystal Palace than Aston Villa. Lerner has been a total disaster for our club.
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Doumbia has a hell of a scoring record, but I am sure he is on loan for the season at Moscow?
Henry looks a good young left back, but with Cissokho and then Amavi, you would question the point of doing it unless both leave in the summer.
We need forwards!
Interesting that we basically can up the fee and wages for Kalinic to get him. You would have thought someone might do that calculation before going to the first appeal!
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Sorry his loan has ended in Moscow.
If you could get him in he is well worth the gamble.
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Time to throw a bit of money at the problem I think. They all have their price.
Agreed Brian. Sadly I think Fox , Lerner & Hollis have decided they are not going to do that to try and save our premier league status or build a team for the Championship. They still have a few days left to try though, so we can hope for that.
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There's a lot retrospective 20/20 vision on here. I seem to recall a huge sigh of relief when it was revealed Adebayor wasn't coming? Anyway if my aunt had balls etc etc.
We are where we are folks.
I was happy to see the back of Bent and Collins as well, and wasn't bothered about Albrighton leaving
I'd wish them all back now for the rest of the season
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Bent can't get a game for Derby.
Collins and Albrighton have played very well this season.
As said on the striker thread, we should go and get Bamford as one of the 2 that we need.
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Bent can't get a game for Derby.
Collins and Albrighton have played very well this season.
As said on the striker thread, we should go and get Bamford as one of the 2 that we need.
Maybe not but I'd rather him than Gestede up front,
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Bent can't get a game for Derby.
Collins and Albrighton have played very well this season.
As said on the striker thread, we should go and get Bamford as one of the 2 that we need.
Maybe not but I'd rather him than Gestede up front,
Nah, you want your memory of Bent on the pitch, not what he can actually deliver today.
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He can barely run these days
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Genuinely feel for Garde and the lack of transfers in. I know it looks nailed on that we're down but surely with the acquisition of a couple of players it might, and I say might just give us a glimmer of hope.
I think this board has already waived the white flag hence the introduction of Hollis who looks as if he's been bought in to carry on his accountcy role albeit with the title of Chairman.
Seven in the morning and I'm typing on a forum about lack of players. 😐
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
yes
gabby is an arsenal fan and has never been a villa fan
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Interesting one that very highly thought of US centre back is apparently coming to the premier league around for about 3.5m from new york red bulls. Looks a to prospect. Isn't Houllier their sporting director?
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200 pages and no signings as yet...
Be like me and adjust your settings. 120 isn't so bad, right? :o
Amateur. This is page 60!
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
Because he's a trouble maker, who has contributed almost nothing for years. He can't live on a few goals against those piss pots all his life, he's on a massive wedge.
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I said Garde would be a genius if he managed to get rid of Gabby and Nzog...not long to go.
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
Because he's a trouble maker, who has contributed almost nothing for years. He can't live on a few goals against those piss pots all his life, he's on a massive wedge.
Ok. What has he done to make trouble?
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Palace sign Adebayor.
Ahh, Pardew-plus-Adebayor. I can't wait.
They need him they have wickham and chamak
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
Because he's a trouble maker, who has contributed almost nothing for years. He can't live on a few goals against those piss pots all his life, he's on a massive wedge.
Ok. What has he done to make trouble?
Bad egg in the dressing room, disruptive
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I think this board has already waived the white flag hence the introduction of Hollis who looks as if he's been bought in to carry on his accountcy role albeit with the title of Chairman.
Leicester had 19 points with ten games to go last year. We had 22 points last year with 11 games remaining. The board are crazy to have surrendered so early. Garde has got 7 results since had came in. At least one of those draws would have been a win if we had a finisher. The margins are so tight, two wins and we would have some momentum and more belief.
I am so disappointed, but not surprised, by what's going on. I thought our premier league status was precious to us. We are not down yet.
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
Because he's a trouble maker, who has contributed almost nothing for years. He can't live on a few goals against those piss pots all his life, he's on a massive wedge.
Ok. What has he done to make trouble?
I couldn't tell you specifics you'd be better off asking Houllier and Garde who have criticised him.
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I don't think there is much will there anyway right now to sign anyone to make a difference. They've got the fear of life in them of spending money after all the tits up purchases we've made and with Hollis newly in and wanting to make an impression I don't think any mistakes would be taken lightly. All the talk is of not spending money, money isn't the answer, surely it all points to we aren't going to be spending and will be using the next 6 months to take full stock of where we are and scouting.
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
Yep, you're taking being a Villa fan (although one who never actually went to games, according to himself) and scoring a winner at the Sty as being sufficient mitigating factors for him contributing the square root of fuck all for several seasons now, whilst looking fat and unbothered.
Not having a go at you, but I always find that "but he's a villa fan! he's a legend!" stuff so small time.
So fucking what if he's a Villa fan? Is that enough? Of course it isn't.
The fact that it has actually been seen as enough for the last five years says everything you need to know about our half-witted acceptance of mediocrity.
There are few things which would make me respect Garde more than him punting Agbonlahor out this summer.
Cher Monsieur Garde,
si par hasard on vous transmet un résumé des commentaires publiés sur ce forum, merci de bien vouloir lire celui-ci :
Sachez que je vous enverrai un jéroboam d'un rouge exceptionnel AOP Côtés du Roussillon les Aspres 2009 si vous nous débarrassez de Gabriel Agbonlahor avant le lundi 1er février 2016 à 11h (la trace de votre botte, ou celle d'Ayew sur sa derrière faisant foi).
Veuillez agréer, cher Monsieur Garde, l'expression de ma considération distinguée.
Bad English
Pyrénées Orientales
France
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
Because he's a trouble maker, who has contributed almost nothing for years. He can't live on a few goals against those piss pots all his life, he's on a massive wedge.
Ok. What has he done to make trouble?
I couldn't tell you specifics you'd be better off asking Houllier and Garde who have criticised him.
Rather than an actual trouble maker I think he may be thought of as a bad example. As a complete product of the club my guess is that his motivation/work ethic/dedication (or lack of) is seen as the benchmark for most youngsters and players who join whereas Garde may prefer that this connection with the past is removed.
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
Because he's a trouble maker, who has contributed almost nothing for years. He can't live on a few goals against those piss pots all his life, he's on a massive wedge.
Ok. What has he done to make trouble?
I couldn't tell you specifics you'd be better off asking Houllier and Garde who have criticised him.
I don't think he has criticised him explicitly, has he?
It's not difficult to read between the lines though. This, written by Mat Kendrick in the Mail on the 11 of January (http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/gabby-agbonlahor-latest-aston-villa-10718339), is pretty damning really:
"At the minute he’s still in treatment," he said. "The doctor told me it was better but he’s still struggling."
In response to further questioning about whether Agbonlahor would be considered for selection once fit, Garde spoke about the standards he demands from his players.
"Like every player under contract in this football club, like Charles N'Zogbia too, they have to be prepared to play," said Garde.
"But I need to see that they are fully committed to the team, that they want to help the team and have the behaviour.
"Not only to say it, but to have the behaviour every minute, every time to show that they can help or want to help the team.
"Of course if this player have this behaviour they could be selected, yes."
On the subject of talks with Agbonlahor, Garde added: "I’ve got chance to do it yes, of course. I will see. "
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Cher Monsieur Garde,
si par hasard, on vous transmet un résumé des commentaires publié sur ce forum, merci de bien vouloir lire celui-ci :
Sachez que je vous enverrai un jéroboam d'un rouge exceptionnel AOP Côtés du Roussillon les Aspres 2009 si vous nous débarrassez de Gabriel Agbonlahor avant le lundi 1er février 2016 à 11h, la trace de votre botte, ou celle d'Ayew sur sa derrière faisant foi.
Veuillez agréer, cher Monsieur Garde, l'expression de ma considération distinguée.
Bad English
Pyrénées Orientales
France
I think your wine is probably safe, BE.
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Last nights Evening Standard said that Villa were in the box seat to sign Debuchy. They cited Garde's relationship with Wenger as the main reason, however also indicated that Arsenal want a recall option. Apparently the clubs are negotiating the loan fee.
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I think the deal's agreed but Arsenal are holding back until the end of the window to make sure they don't get any injuries which would lead to them needing him to play. Another reason why there's so little activity in the window until the end of it.
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I think the deal's agreed but Arsenal are holding back until the end of the window to make sure they don't get any injuries which would lead to them needing him to play. Another reason why there's so little activity in the window until the end of it.
I doubt it. There are only the FA Cup games this weekend, and Wenger will probably play the kids anyway against Burnley.
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Last nights Evening Standard said that Villa were in the box seat to sign Debuchy. They cited Garde's relationship with Wenger as the main reason, however also indicated that Arsenal want a recall option. Apparently the clubs are negotiating the loan fee.
I would query how much the Evening Standard actually know then - any loan until the end of the season cannot have a recall clause in it. So Arsenal can want it all they like, FA rules say that they can't.
The only way they could have one in is if the loan is for three months or less.
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
Because he's a trouble maker, who has contributed almost nothing for years. He can't live on a few goals against those piss pots all his life, he's on a massive wedge.
Ok. What has he done to make trouble?
Bad egg in the dressing room, disruptive
How do you (and others) 'know' this? It seems to be the accepted wisdom amongst us but I've never seen any evidence.
His 'attitude' could be due to depression or some other personal problems. Is there anyone on here who really knows?
I don't.
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Last nights Evening Standard said that Villa were in the box seat to sign Debuchy. They cited Garde's relationship with Wenger as the main reason, however also indicated that Arsenal want a recall option. Apparently the clubs are negotiating the loan fee.
I would query how much the Evening Standard actually know then - any loan until the end of the season cannot have a recall clause in it. So Arsenal can want it all they like, FA rules say that they can't.
The only way they could have one in is if the loan is for three months or less.
I have no idea what is going on but it was reported early on that Arsenal wanted to wait until the end of the transfer window. Perhaps Wenger is just being cautious.
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And now Jenkinson is injured and returned by West Ham ......,.don't think that changes the situation..
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There's a lot retrospective 20/20 vision on here. I seem to recall a huge sigh of relief when it was revealed Adebayor wasn't coming?
Not really. Some people in the summer thought he would be a useful player to have, others didn't. Some people now think that Palace have made a good signing, others don't.
I'd guess that it'll be split along pretty similar lines to the summer.
And, allegedly, Palace are helping Spurs out by paying him £70k of his £100k per week wage.
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There's a lot retrospective 20/20 vision on here. I seem to recall a huge sigh of relief when it was revealed Adebayor wasn't coming?
Not really. Some people in the summer thought he would be a useful player to have, others didn't. Some people now think that Palace have made a good signing, others don't.
I'd guess that it'll be split along pretty similar lines to the summer.
And, allegedly, Palace are helping Spurs out by paying him £70k of his £100k per week wage.
That is some deal by Spurs considering Adebayor left the club in mid September.
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There's a lot retrospective 20/20 vision on here. I seem to recall a huge sigh of relief when it was revealed Adebayor wasn't coming?
Not really. Some people in the summer thought he would be a useful player to have, others didn't. Some people now think that Palace have made a good signing, others don't.
I'd guess that it'll be split along pretty similar lines to the summer.
And, allegedly, Palace are helping Spurs out by paying him £70k of his £100k per week wage.
That is some deal by Spurs considering Adebayor left the club in mid September.
very generous
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There's a lot retrospective 20/20 vision on here. I seem to recall a huge sigh of relief when it was revealed Adebayor wasn't coming?
Not really. Some people in the summer thought he would be a useful player to have, others didn't. Some people now think that Palace have made a good signing, others don't.
I'd guess that it'll be split along pretty similar lines to the summer.
And, allegedly, Palace are helping Spurs out by paying him £70k of his £100k per week wage.
That is some deal by Spurs considering Adebayor left the club in mid September.
very generous
But apparently true (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/12029534/Emmanuel-Adebayors-Premier-League-return-complicated-by-Tottenham-still-paying-his-wages.html)
Emmanuel Adebayor's attempt to re-start his Premier League career is being threatened by the fact he is still being paid his full £100,000-a-week Tottenham Hotspur wages.
Despite leaving White Hart Lane in September, Adebayor is being paid in full by Spurs until he finds a new club or for the duration of his old contract that would have expired at the end of this season under the terms of his exit.
Incredibly, that means the striker remains Tottenham’s highest earner, on more than double what Harry Kane currently pockets, even though he is no longer contracted to the club.
Premier League clubs interested in signing Adebayor must negotiate with Spurs chairman Daniel Levy over how much of his £100,000-a-week salary they will fund until next summer.
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Makes me wonder why they released him if they are still paying his wages. Is he that bad of an influence? Surely if you have to pay him anyway you'd keep in case of an emergency.
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Ah. I thought the media said he had his contract paid up. I guess it makes sense.
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Makes me wonder why they released him if they are still paying his wages. Is he that bad of an influence? Surely if you have to pay him anyway you'd keep in case of an emergency.
Yep, you'd think so. Particularly as Spurs only really have one actual striker.
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Again, I don't understand all the Gabby bashing. Yes, he's not doing it at the mo, but why all the personal abuse, he is a local Villa fan who scored a winner at the Sty. Am I missing something...?
Because he's a trouble maker, who has contributed almost nothing for years. He can't live on a few goals against those piss pots all his life, he's on a massive wedge.
Ok. What has he done to make trouble?
Bad egg in the dressing room, disruptive
How do you (and others) 'know' this? It seems to be the accepted wisdom amongst us but I've never seen any evidence.
His 'attitude' could be due to depression or some other personal problems. Is there anyone on here who really knows?
I don't.
Just about everything about Agbonlahor's performances since the day MON flounced off taking his bibs and cones with him has screamed "I really can't be arsed."
His ever worsening poor physical conditioning. His obstinacy towards Houllier about losing a few kilos to get some of his speed back are two obvious examples.
How many decent performances as he turned in over the last 5 years?
I may be doing him an injustice but I can only think of 3, and they're all against the stripey shite.
You're right, he might be well be suffering from depression, his performances do have certain Collymore like air to them, but based on what can be seem, and what's reported, he's as good as stealing his wages at the moment.
Compare Ireland's performances for us, and compare Agbonlahor's over the last 4-5 years and see if you can justify one get pelters and the other not.
Thinking about it, that must be the ultimate insult.
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When all the talk was of his contract being terminated by mutual agreement, I, and probably most people, would have assumed he was paid off. Just having a Google and the terms used by player and club back in September, A club statement read: "We can confirm that we've reached a mutual agreement with Adebayor which will see him released from his contract with the club." The Tottenham striker tweeted: "I can confirm that I have reached an agreement with Tottenham Hotspur to terminate my contract".
It's not even as though Spurs had a full 25 player squad. You must be one hell of a bad influence to have a club pay you £100K a week to sit your arse rather than be around the club.
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Makes me wonder why they released him if they are still paying his wages. Is he that bad of an influence? Surely if you have to pay him anyway you'd keep in case of an emergency.
The only possible reason for that would to not pay him off in one lump sum, but draw it down week or month by month in the hope that someone takes him on.
But even then Incredibly, that means the striker remains Tottenham’s highest earner, on more than double what Harry Kane currently pockets, even though he is no longer contracted to the club.
makes no sense to me. If his contract has been cancelled, presumably Spurs can have no claim on his registration and he can have no claim on Spurs on his wages.
I'm sure one of our legal eagles will put me right, but the contract is an agreement to provide services (play football) for a fixed length of time for an agreed wage with the total remuneration fixed so the club can't just cancel the contract unilaterally. So for the contract to be cancelled, either the terms of the contract have to be met (Adebeyor gets the money owed for the final year) or they come to a mutual agreement. If they're still paying him, surely they must still hold his registration otherwise they're sailing close to restriction of trade, or he's got one of the worst agents out there, which given the size of his contracts would suggest not.
Essentially he's on the transfer list, guaranteed a free transfer but not allowed near their training ground?
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Makes me wonder why they released him if they are still paying his wages. Is he that bad of an influence? Surely if you have to pay him anyway you'd keep in case of an emergency.
The only possible reason for that would to not pay him off in one lump sum, but draw it down week or month by month in the hope that someone takes him on.
But even then Incredibly, that means the striker remains Tottenham’s highest earner, on more than double what Harry Kane currently pockets, even though he is no longer contracted to the club.
makes no sense to me. If his contract has been cancelled, presumably Spurs can have no claim on his registration and he can have no claim on Spurs on his wages.
I'm sure one of our legal eagles will put me right, but the contract is an agreement to provide services (play football) for a fixed length of time for an agreed wage with the total remuneration fixed so the club can't just cancel the contract unilaterally. So for the contract to be cancelled, either the terms of the contract have to be met (Adebeyor gets the money owed for the final year) or they come to a mutual agreement. If they're still paying him, surely they must still hold his registration otherwise they're sailing close to restriction of trade, or he's got one of the worst agents out there, which given the size of his contracts would suggest not.
Essentially he's on the transfer list, guaranteed a free transfer but not allowed near their training ground?
I guess its like a redundancy payoff in the civil service - get another civil service job in a certain period of time and you have to repay it.
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But.... but... Daniel Levy is the World's best negotiator it said so in the press.
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According to the stuff I read he couldn't join a club until this month so they were guaranteed to be paying him that £100K for 4 months. Why not just keep him in the squad and tout him to clubs in Jan? Strikes me as very strange.
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Makes me wonder why they released him if they are still paying his wages. Is he that bad of an influence? Surely if you have to pay him anyway you'd keep in case of an emergency.
The only possible reason for that would to not pay him off in one lump sum, but draw it down week or month by month in the hope that someone takes him on.
But even then Incredibly, that means the striker remains Tottenham’s highest earner, on more than double what Harry Kane currently pockets, even though he is no longer contracted to the club.
makes no sense to me. If his contract has been cancelled, presumably Spurs can have no claim on his registration and he can have no claim on Spurs on his wages.
I'm sure one of our legal eagles will put me right, but the contract is an agreement to provide services (play football) for a fixed length of time for an agreed wage with the total remuneration fixed so the club can't just cancel the contract unilaterally. So for the contract to be cancelled, either the terms of the contract have to be met (Adebeyor gets the money owed for the final year) or they come to a mutual agreement. If they're still paying him, surely they must still hold his registration otherwise they're sailing close to restriction of trade, or he's got one of the worst agents out there, which given the size of his contracts would suggest not.
Essentially he's on the transfer list, guaranteed a free transfer but not allowed near their training ground?
I have a feeling that Pochettino values hard-work and team-ethos above all, hence Townsend being frozen-out after having a row with Spurs' fitness coach.
Getting rid of a potentially detrimental personality like Adebayor being more beneficial than having him in reserve when even then the manager would be loathe to play him.
Leicester aside, Spurs have looked the most cohesive and united team this season so in Pochettino's eyes he's made the right call.
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Do you have to apply to be able to apply for permission for the appeal?
When it comes to professional footballers it seems quite harsh to me to have rules in place where you have to have played x amount of games for your country. Why does it matter? Am I missing something? Especially being a GK there's only one bastard spot!
It makes a huge difference. Its all to do with the category they fall into in the Points Based System category. If you are a world leader in your field then you'd be in a Tier 1 and have to show different criteria for other Tiers. for a start you don't need a work permit. This keeper isn't a world leader and so would be Tier 2. Even then its for elite sports people. I haven't looked at his case, or his footballing career but he'd need to be a current international for a start, but other caveats can be taken into account if not. But the rules state that he must have participated in at least 75% of his games for Croatia when available over the last 2 years. Probably not a problem for Croatia abut haven't checked but their World ranking also comes into it.
Also, as I said earlier he will need to show an IELTS (English test) score to a certain level.
fail that and you don't actually get an appeal but an Administrative review. You can take it to an appeal but there is no jurisdiction unless you're arguing under different grounds than just the refusal based on not meeting the rules.
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I think the whole work permit thing in this instance is pointless.
The guy's asking for a work permit so that he can complete on a contract or employment for say 4 years on X thousands of pounds per week of which he will be rightly taxed.
that should IMO be enough for the government to say, "more income for us? Welcome to the UK!"
all this business on so many games played for country blah blah, the chaps being offered a contract that will bring in hundreds of thousands in income tax over the next 4 years.
I must be missing something but to me it's loopy.
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There are plenty of other people who are far more qualified in other areas of industry who should be coming in, and are, and just because we want this keeper doesn't mean he's any more qualified or that the Exchequer will miss out.
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I think the whole work permit thing in this instance is pointless.
The guy's asking for a work permit so that he can complete on a contract or employment for say 4 years on X thousands of pounds per week of which he will be rightly taxed.
that should IMO be enough for the government to say, "more income for us? Welcome to the UK!"
all this business on so many games played for country blah blah, the chaps being offered a contract that will bring in hundreds of thousands in income tax over the next 4 years.
I must be missing something but to me it's loopy.
I don't think you are missing anything.
Its nuts. The guy probably has a contract of £30k p/w on the table.
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But say yes to him and you have to say yes to virtually anybody regardless of skills. The idea is that the UK company/sports team need this person because they are unable to fill it in the UK/EU. This keeper isn't the best and we could find a lot better elsewhere its just that he's willing to come. he could be good he could be rubbish but rules are there for a reason. for every Martin Laursen there's an Alex Sperr, for every Stiliyan Petrov a Kurt Bakholt.
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I would have thought goalkeeper is a unique situation in that there are not many keepers of high enough standard that are not tied to contracts or available.
I would have thought this is a matter of labour law principle and the fact that a club can over pay to get a player from another club should not come into it.
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I see your point Peter,
however this GK is having his entry sponsered by a multi million pound company. I don't see why it would open the flood gates, if anybody else from where ever can get themself a contract for so many thousand a week over a 3 to 4 year period, As a country we should be welcoming them with open arms!
as to letting anyone in regardless of skill, it shouldn't really be skill they're judge on for me, it should be their earning potential and therefore input into the country.
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But say yes to him and you have to say yes to virtually anybody regardless of skills. The idea is that the UK company/sports team need this person because they are unable to fill it in the UK/EU. This keeper isn't the best and we could find a lot better elsewhere its just that he's willing to come. he could be good he could be rubbish but rules are there for a reason. for every Martin Laursen there's an Alex Sperr, for every Stiliyan Petrov a Kurt Bakholt.
Cheers for the info peter. I still don't agree that there should be the same rules in place for professional sports people but I understand it better now. I know sweet FA about it.
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But say yes to him and you have to say yes to virtually anybody regardless of skills. The idea is that the UK company/sports team need this person because they are unable to fill it in the UK/EU. This keeper isn't the best and we could find a lot better elsewhere its just that he's willing to come. he could be good he could be rubbish but rules are there for a reason. for every Martin Laursen there's an Alex Sperr, for every Stiliyan Petrov a Kurt Bakholt.
Cheers for the info peter. I still don't agree that there should be the same rules in place for professional sports people but I understand it better now. I know sweet FA about it.
It's bad enough that young British players have to compete with everybody from the EU now, but just opening the floodgates for the rest of the world too would make their chances of getting a start almost nil.
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Does anyone else find the transfer window jokes about bit signing people incredibly tedious?
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I think I find the whole transfer window tedious.
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I think this board has already waived the white flag hence the introduction of Hollis who looks as if he's been bought in to carry on his accountcy role albeit with the title of Chairman.
Leicester had 19 points with ten games to go last year. We had 22 points last year with 11 games remaining. The board are crazy to have surrendered so early. Garde has got 7 results since had came in. At least one of those draws would have been a win if we had a finisher. The margins are so tight, two wins and we would have some momentum and more belief.
I am so disappointed, but not surprised, by what's going on. I thought our premier league status was precious to us. We are not down yet.
It's becoming ever-clearer to me that Lerner has essentially accepted the club's fate now & decided against spending any more money on the squad. His prior sporting 'gambles' have clearly been disastrous to his personal finances & credibility, so perhaps the inevitable forthcoming heavy devaluation of a relegated Aston Villa is more acceptable to him if he doesn't involve himself in further player investment? Like you, IV, I'll be really disappointed to find the towel has been chucked now, but I can't say it'll come as any surprise. You never know, Gestede might wake up Saturday morning & suddenly become a carbon copy of Lois Suárez... :o
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I don't think the winter transfer window should last a month, at least 3 weeks of it are pointless.
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I think this board has already waived the white flag hence the introduction of Hollis who looks as if he's been bought in to carry on his accountcy role albeit with the title of Chairman.
Leicester had 19 points with ten games to go last year. We had 22 points last year with 11 games remaining. The board are crazy to have surrendered so early. Garde has got 7 results since had came in. At least one of those draws would have been a win if we had a finisher. The margins are so tight, two wins and we would have some momentum and more belief.
I am so disappointed, but not surprised, by what's going on. I thought our premier league status was precious to us. We are not down yet.
It's becoming ever-clearer to me that Lerner has essentially accepted the club's fate now & decided against spending any more money on the squad. His prior sporting 'gambles' have clearly been disastrous to his personal finances & credibility, so perhaps the inevitable forthcoming heavy devaluation of a relegated Aston Villa is more acceptable to him if he doesn't involve himself in further player investment? Like you, IV, I'll be really disappointed to find the towel has been chucked now, but I can't say it'll come as any surprise. You never know, Gestede might wake up Saturday morning & suddenly become a carbon copy of Lois Suárez... :o
Just what we need. A 6' vampire.
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I think this board has already waived the white flag hence the introduction of Hollis who looks as if he's been bought in to carry on his accountcy role albeit with the title of Chairman.
Leicester had 19 points with ten games to go last year. We had 22 points last year with 11 games remaining. The board are crazy to have surrendered so early. Garde has got 7 results since had came in. At least one of those draws would have been a win if we had a finisher. The margins are so tight, two wins and we would have some momentum and more belief.
I am so disappointed, but not surprised, by what's going on. I thought our premier league status was precious to us. We are not down yet.
It's becoming ever-clearer to me that Lerner has essentially accepted the club's fate now & decided against spending any more money on the squad. His prior sporting 'gambles' have clearly been disastrous to his personal finances & credibility, so perhaps the inevitable forthcoming heavy devaluation of a relegated Aston Villa is more acceptable to him if he doesn't involve himself in further player investment? Like you, IV, I'll be really disappointed to find the towel has been chucked now, but I can't say it'll come as any surprise. You never know, Gestede might wake up Saturday morning & suddenly become a carbon copy of Lois Suárez... :o
Just what we need. A 6' vampire.
I'd take that, although he'd only be any good once it gets dark. It'd be an improvement anyway. ;)
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Cor Blimey! Arsene ain't 'alf eaving it late to help his protege out?!!
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spill the beans, you two know something.
Full Stop - Klopp? BENTEKE!
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Bunch of ******
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I heard the same thing. MELTDOWN!!!
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Is this the itk about the guy from the club in that league from you know?
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I'd rather we spent money in the summer, I don't mean to be a misery arse, but I don't see any way out of being relegated. I can't see the point in spending money now. Sorry :(
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I'd rather we spent money in the summer, I don't mean to be a misery arse, but I don't see any way out of being relegated. I can't see the point in spending money now. Sorry :(
Hello Randy.
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USA USA USA
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Well Done Randy - great January window....once again in true tradition.
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Page 206, and still nothing has happened. Much ado about nothing?
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Page 206, and still nothing has happened. Much ado about nothing?
Coded ITK? Freddy Adu?
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Does anyone else find the transfer window jokes about bit signing people incredibly tedious?
Lerner, Fox & Hollis have given everyone little choice really. In a window that was our last chance to try and stop going down, they have signed nobody.
I am now starting to think that forcing Garde to resign by not backing him is also part of their ambition. Doubtless they would love to get his wages off the books now they have decied to relegate the club.
Yes it is a conspiracy theory but the club isnt giving us much else to think about right now.
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Does anyone else find the transfer window jokes about bit signing people incredibly tedious?
Lerner, Fox & Hollis have given everyone little choice really. In a window that was our last chance to try and stop going down, they have signed nobody.
I am now starting to think that forcing Garde to resign by not backing him is also part of their ambition. Doubtless they would love to get his wages off the books now they have decied to relegate the club.
Yes it is a conspiracy theory but the club isnt giving us much else to think about right now.
It's a bit of a silly conspiracy theory as well.
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Does anyone else find the transfer window jokes about bit signing people incredibly tedious?
Lerner, Fox & Hollis have given everyone little choice really. In a window that was our last chance to try and stop going down, they have signed nobody.
I am now starting to think that forcing Garde to resign by not backing him is also part of their ambition. Doubtless they would love to get his wages off the books now they have decied to relegate the club.
Yes it is a conspiracy theory but the club isnt giving us much else to think about right now.
It's a bit of a silly conspiracy theory as well.
Quiet you. They are not gonna re hire you even at reduced wages :)
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Well, Senderos has gone then.
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I think we all guessed Senderos was going to be a bit shit.
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I thought our glorious leader might've been tempted to spend a few bob to keep his business within snuffling distance of the money trough. But maybe the appointment of Hollis is Lerner admitting that either he doesn't have a clue or that he has finally lost all interest.
If so Hot Seat Holls might be demonstrating his business ability by applying the maxim that it's not worth throwing good money after bad. After all come Feb 1st all he needs to do is to assure everyone that the club has spent millions upon millions during the winter.
Or maybe Garde has decided that he might as well play the hand he has been dealt. I can't believe that any blame will attach to him if we do go down. And I can't imagine that our Randy had the brass neck to ask for an assurance that he would keep us up.
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Goodbye Philip Senderos.
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I think we all guessed Senderos was going to be a bit shit.
Thing is though, he wasn't. He did okay in the few matches he played. Strange that he wasn't ever even in a squad again after his injury or even given a runout in the reserves like Kozak was.
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He played 7 games in 2 seasons. It was a daft signing, a shit signing and a true penny pinching signing that epitomised the penny pinching summer of 2014 where we fell even further behind and left us with mountainous work the following summer that was almost impossible to do.
Cole, Richardson, Senderos, Cissokho. 2014, appalling business.
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Goodbye Philip Senderos.
Where is he going to?
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Contract cancelled.
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Can we cancel Gabby's Mr Lerner?
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Another in the "thats weird" category. He hit a really good run of form for us before his injury then just disappeared off the map. Hopefully there is nothing serious in his personal life that caused this.
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I think we may get this Croatian goalkeeper and that will be it. Don't think Reg Hollis will sanction anything else.
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I'll be honest with you I'm thoroughly depressed and sick of things now.
Are we honestly at the stage of our existence where literally no player is willing to come to us we are that toxic?
I went through 1986-87 and that was bad enough but this is on a different level. The meek acceptance of our situation from top down (I exclude the manager from this) is bordering on negligence.
I cannot think of anything literally anything that makes me excited to be a Villa fan at the minute.
We are probably down anyway but hey lets just make sure we do it in style.
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I think this board has already waived the white flag hence the introduction of Hollis who looks as if he's been bought in to carry on his accountcy role albeit with the title of Chairman.
Leicester had 19 points with ten games to go last year. We had 22 points last year with 11 games remaining. The board are crazy to have surrendered so early. Garde has got 7 results since had came in. At least one of those draws would have been a win if we had a finisher. The margins are so tight, two wins and we would have some momentum and more belief.
I am so disappointed, but not surprised, by what's going on. I thought our premier league status was precious to us. We are not down yet.
It's becoming ever-clearer to me that Lerner has essentially accepted the club's fate now & decided against spending any more money on the squad. His prior sporting 'gambles' have clearly been disastrous to his personal finances & credibility, so perhaps the inevitable forthcoming heavy devaluation of a relegated Aston Villa is more acceptable to him if he doesn't involve himself in further player investment? Like you, IV, I'll be really disappointed to find the towel has been chucked now, but I can't say it'll come as any surprise. You never know, Gestede might wake up Saturday morning & suddenly become a carbon copy of Lois Suárez... :o
Hopefully our dullard custodian has completely given up the ghost and will sell us on to anyone who will pony up close to what he's looking for for the club. I'm not overly concerned about who buys us, if they're spending tens of millions to acquire us, they will be more capable than the bonehead who has consistently fucked up over the course of a decade. You have to be very special (needs) indeed, to get every major decision wrong over the course of almost a decade. I'll take anyone over the twat that currently owns us. If you've given up Lerner, just fuck off before your twattish ownership does irreparable damage.
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This is all rather depressing. I know our situation, but it's annoying seeing other clubs making a genuine go of trying to stay up and we really don't seem to be.
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Players will come, especially on short term contracts, if the wages are attractive enough.
I realise the window hasn't closed yet, but it really is pretty defeatist. For the small amounts of progress that we have made recently, it must be dispiriting to all involved that as a club we don't seem to be giving ourselves the best chance of avoiding relegation.
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I'll be honest with you I'm thoroughly depressed and sick of things now.
Are we honestly at the stage of our existence where literally no player is willing to come to us we are that toxic?
I went through 1986-87 and that was bad enough but this is on a different level. The meek acceptance of our situation from top down (I exclude the manager from this) is bordering on negligence.
I cannot think of anything literally anything that makes me excited to be a Villa fan at the minute.
We are probably down anyway but hey lets just make sure we do it in style.
I doubt it. Bottom of the league clubs often sign players (usually always because they want to fight). So could we. Plenty of players could come even if it was on the assumption we will be in the Championship.
We have not signed anyone because we have not taken the window seriously and/or Lerner has refused funds. Yes thats rage inducing but the alternative of Lerner wants to spend tens of millions but no decent player on earth is willing to take his money is pretty implausible in my mind. Also Fox & Hollis have pretty much said as much, they don't want to spend the money.
And yes there is just about zero to be excited about or even optimistic about right now. The blame is firmly with Fox, Lerner & Hollis.
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I'll be honest with you I'm thoroughly depressed and sick of things now.
Are we honestly at the stage of our existence where literally no player is willing to come to us we are that toxic?
I went through 1986-87 and that was bad enough but this is on a different level. The meek acceptance of our situation from top down (I exclude the manager from this) is bordering on negligence.
I cannot think of anything literally anything that makes me excited to be a Villa fan at the minute.
We are probably down anyway but hey lets just make sure we do it in style.
I doubt it. Bottom of the league clubs often sign players (usually always because they want to fight). So could we. Plenty of players could come even if it was on the assumption we will be in the Championship.
We have not signed anyone because we have not taken the window seriously and/or Lerner has refused funds. Yes thats rage inducing but the alternative of Lerner wants to spend tens of millions but no decent player on earth is willing to take his money is pretty implausible in my mind. Also Fox & Hollis have pretty much said as much, they don't want to spend the money.
And yes there is just about zero to be excited about or even optimistic about right now. The blame is firmly with Fox, Lerner & Hollis.
He's only been here 5 minutes!
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Finally finally we make the breaking news on SSN in yellow ticker tape...Fame at last!
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Leicester looked sunk last season, had questionmarks over Boxhead Pearson even carrying on with the job (wasn't he sacked at one point last Jan?) and could still sign a £10 million forward, Robert Huth and Schwarzer on loan.
Fulham could still attract players with recent Champions League pedigree two seasons ago when they faced the drop. And the likes of Sunderland and QPR have done significant business during previous January transfer windows.
So it's not that we can't, it's that Lerner and co won't.
Not that I'm advocating they take a QPR or Fulham approach, but a better forward than Kozak or Gestede must surely be available somewhere in the world, even for a moderate transfer fee.
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He's only been here 5 minutes!
He should have come in with a single focus. Make sure we get this transfer window right. Thats the only thing that matters.
Instead he has talked a lot of forgettable corp speak.
He can stand in the naughty corner with the rest of em :)
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I think we all guessed Senderos was going to be a bit shit.
Thing is though, he wasn't. He did okay in the few matches he played. Strange that he wasn't ever even in a squad again after his injury or even given a runout in the reserves like Kozak was.
Agreed - he was not shit - jesus - he made Baker look PL class briefly
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He played 7 games in 2 seasons. It was a daft signing, a shit signing and a true penny pinching signing that epitomised the penny pinching summer of 2014 where we fell even further behind and left us with mountainous work the following summer that was almost impossible to do.
Cole, Richardson, Senderos, Cissokho. 2014, appalling business.
and gave Lambert, Hutton and Gabby new deals a few weeks into the season after a few early scrappy wins
not sure how we werent relegated last year, for the majority of the season we were the worst side in the league
watching us now we arent anywhere as near as bad as Lambert's time last season
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And Sunderland sign that defender we were after from France.
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I'll be honest with you I'm thoroughly depressed and sick of things now.
Are we honestly at the stage of our existence where literally no player is willing to come to us we are that toxic?
I went through 1986-87 and that was bad enough but this is on a different level. The meek acceptance of our situation from top down (I exclude the manager from this) is bordering on negligence.
I cannot think of anything literally anything that makes me excited to be a Villa fan at the minute.
We are probably down anyway but hey lets just make sure we do it in style.
I'm with you. I love the Villa but they're pretty unlikeable at the moment. Moron Chairman, Lackey yes men Directors, crap scouts, nothing players. I'm clinging to Remi and the ground with all it's memories right now. Take excuses aside, and boy have we been making them for the club the last 10 years, which is natural, we want to think the best of them but excuses aside and there are players who would join. Not top players but I've never seen a situation where no one will join a club, it doesn't exist really does it. As is the clubs want, they've chosen to not spend much money and not take any risk at all, accepting that we are down, baring a Remi miracle and planning accordingly.
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And Sunderland sign that defender we were after from France.
It wasn't him, it was another one with the same first name.
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And Sunderland sign that defender we were after from France.
It's all going so well. I bet Remi is loving the job!
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It's also knowing I'm going to have to watch us losing with shit like Bacuna, Westwood, Richardson, Gabby, Hutton, Gestede, Kozak blah for the rest of the season as we disappear down the plughole which I could do without. Knowing the club half of them will still be here stinking the place out next season as well as we pretend Bacuna is a jack of all trades, Westy a dynamo that keeps things ticking and Kozak has this instinct. They don't they're fucking crap, that's why we have next to no points as we enter February.
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Darren Bent is available.
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Crespo, Senderos, Cole, Steer, Bennett all out. Surely we have at least a couple coming in?
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And Sunderland sign that defender we were after from France.
It wasn't him, it was another one with the same first name.
Yeo realised that after. Ours was called Seine wasn't he?!
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I can't believe there is any truth to the Croatian Keeper rumour. The board would be crazy to sanction spending cash on anybody who isn't going to want to play in the Championship. Stick with what we have so we can at least let the players gel a little for next seasons battle at getting back into the Prem.
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I can't believe there is any truth to the Croatian Keeper rumour. The board would be crazy to sanction spending cash on anybody who isn't going to want to play in the Championship. Stick with what we have so we can at least let the players gel a little for next seasons battle at getting back into the Prem.
Anyone who isn't going to want / be prepared to play in the Championship isn't going to join us in the first place.
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I can't believe there is any truth to the Croatian Keeper rumour. The board would be crazy to sanction spending cash on anybody who isn't going to want to play in the Championship. Stick with what we have so we can at least let the players gel a little for next seasons battle at getting back into the Prem.
Anyone who isn't going to want / be prepared to play in the Championship isn't going to join us in the first place.
Thats sort of what I meant, you put it clearly ;)
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I can't believe there is any truth to the Croatian Keeper rumour. The board would be crazy to sanction spending cash on anybody who isn't going to want to play in the Championship. Stick with what we have so we can at least let the players gel a little for next seasons battle at getting back into the Prem.
Internationals play in the championship, look at the Hull squad.
What makes you think this Croatia keeper would think the championship is beneath him, he isn't the number one for Croatia.
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I can't believe there is any truth to the Croatian Keeper rumour. The board would be crazy to sanction spending cash on anybody who isn't going to want to play in the Championship. Stick with what we have so we can at least let the players gel a little for next seasons battle at getting back into the Prem.
Internationals play in the championship, look at the Hull squad.
What makes you think this Croatia keeper would think the championship is beneath him, he isn't the number one for Croatia.
I think the clubs intentions regarding transfers is decided, it may have been different late Dec. I think the Xmas results sealed our fate so they decided to shut up shop. Surely nobody really blames them?
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I'm more intrigued as to why anyone would think a non eu player with only two caps wouldn't have work permit issues but maybe I'm being harsh.
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What about giving a trial to some of these young men pretending to be refugees?
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If they are at work permit stage then he clearly wants to come!
That Santos scored again tonight. 300k with our current strikers? What's stopping us?
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Yep. Do nothing now, save money, jettison high wage earners, get ready to sign up every decent Championship player on June 1st. If Villa were a well- run club. So, the high earning 30 strong committee definitely is not doing that, then...
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It's also knowing I'm going to have to watch us losing with shit like Bacuna, Westwood, Richardson, Gabby, Hutton, Gestede, Kozak blah for the rest of the season as we disappear down the plughole which I could do without. Knowing the club half of them will still be here stinking the place out next season as well as we pretend Bacuna is a jack of all trades, Westy a dynamo that keeps things ticking and Kozak has this instinct. They don't they're fucking crap, that's why we have next to no points as we enter February.
bang on
far too many excuses have been made for players that have no place being here
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Does anyone else find the transfer window jokes about bit signing people incredibly tedious?
Lerner, Fox & Hollis have given everyone little choice really. In a window that was our last chance to try and stop going down, they have signed nobody.
I am now starting to think that forcing Garde to resign by not backing him is also part of their ambition. Doubtless they would love to get his wages off the books now they have decied to relegate the club.
Yes it is a conspiracy theory but the club isnt giving us much else to think about right now.
Geezus - that is ****ing dumb - and I live in the land of conspiracy theories that would fry your brain cells
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I'm more intrigued as to why anyone would think a non eu player with only two caps wouldn't have work permit issues but maybe I'm being harsh.
Who's that then?
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Does anyone else find the transfer window jokes about bit signing people incredibly tedious?
Lerner, Fox & Hollis have given everyone little choice really. In a window that was our last chance to try and stop going down, they have signed nobody.
I am now starting to think that forcing Garde to resign by not backing him is also part of their ambition. Doubtless they would love to get his wages off the books now they have decied to relegate the club.
Yes it is a conspiracy theory but the club isnt giving us much else to think about right now.
Geezus - that is ****ing dumb - and I live in the land of conspiracy theories that would fry your brain cells
the only conspiracy theory I know of is the one involving fox!!!!
a consortium of his to buy us when we hit rock bottom!!!! how about that one?
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We realistically have what 3 working days left?? We are going to get a keeper if we are lucky. Frustrating. 2-3 players would have been at least something to bed in.
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I'm more intrigued as to why anyone would think a non eu player with only two caps wouldn't have work permit issues but maybe I'm being harsh.
Who's that then?
He's talking about Kalinic, but given the number of non-EU players who don't meet the 75% of games in 2 years requirement but get through on appeal (look at our squad list, this applies to literally the first player on the list) it's a bit of a pointless comment. Someone with a growing reputation who has been part of a squad ranked 18th in the world should get through the appeal pretty easily so there's something odd about the whole story, especially now we've gone back in for a 2nd appeal, I think there's a bit of the story that's not surfaced yet.
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If there is the smell of rodent I would hazard a guess at the problem being non football related.
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I'm more intrigued as to why anyone would think a non eu player with only two caps wouldn't have work permit issues but maybe I'm being harsh.
Who's that then?
He's talking about Kalinic, but given the number of non-EU players who don't meet the 75% of games in 2 years requirement but get through on appeal (look at our squad list, this applies to literally the first player on the list) it's a bit of a pointless comment. Someone with a growing reputation who has been part of a squad ranked 18th in the world should get through the appeal pretty easily so there's something odd about the whole story, especially now we've gone back in for a 2nd appeal, I think there's a bit of the story that's not surfaced yet.
lets hope we get the other kalinic then
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It's frustrating when you see clubs like Bournemouth signing Benik Afobe from Wolves, and he scores on his debut, he wouldn't have even had to move house to join us. Norwich sign Naismith, he scores on his debut, Southampton sign Austin, he scores on his debut, Newcastle are signing players, Sunderland are signing players and making moves for others. Crystal Palace are signing a proven goal scorer.
It is obvious we are not even trying to sign anyone, the club have decided to stick with what we have. Our wage structure is now geared towards the championship, why would anyone come to us?
I wonder will we be spun stories after the window has closed about how we tried to sign players.
It stinks.
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It is pretty concerning that other clubs in the relegation mix all seem to be buying players whereas we seem to be doing nothing.
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It is pretty concerning that other clubs in the relegation mix all seem to be buying players whereas we seem to be doing nothing.
I really don't think players want to come
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We need another huge demonstration march to let the club know we're not happy. Like the one against Crystal Palace. Oh, hang on!
We are fucked, Lerner and Hollis don't give a shit. It makes me so very angry. Fucktard shitheads.
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It's frustrating when you see clubs like Bournemouth signing Benik Afobe from Wolves, and he scores on his debut, he wouldn't have even had to move house to join us. Norwich sign Naismith, he scores on his debut, Southampton sign Austin, he scores on his debut, Newcastle are signing players, Sunderland are signing players and making moves for others. Crystal Palace are signing a proven goal scorer.
It is obvious we are not even trying to sign anyone, the club have decided to stick with what we have. Our wage structure is now geared towards the championship, why would anyone come to us?
I wonder will we be spun stories after the window has closed about how we tried to sign players.
It stinks.
I think we would've spent had we not lost to our nearest rivals in the league in successive games. `we're fucked and the board know it.....
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Not happy with Lerner and his stooges.
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I'm more intrigued as to why anyone would think a non eu player with only two caps wouldn't have work permit issues but maybe I'm being harsh.
Who's that then?
He's talking about Kalinic, but given the number of non-EU players who don't meet the 75% of games in 2 years requirement but get through on appeal (look at our squad list, this applies to literally the first player on the list) it's a bit of a pointless comment. Someone with a growing reputation who has been part of a squad ranked 18th in the world should get through the appeal pretty easily so there's something odd about the whole story, especially now we've gone back in for a 2nd appeal, I think there's a bit of the story that's not surfaced yet.
As I said, he may not have passed an English test. Nothing odd about that.
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Plus its not an appeal as the rank and file would understand it but an Administrative Review conducted by those that make the original decision and not a Tribunal in a law sense. An appeal can be heard under different grounds depending on the refusal. But the PBS is pretty much black and white. You either meet the requirements or you don't. If you haven't got the required level of English, for example, then there's no point 'appealing' until you do.
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Cher M.Garde
Prenez un Striker, s'il vous plait.
Maintenant!
Merci.
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It is pretty concerning that other clubs in the relegation mix all seem to be buying players whereas we seem to be doing nothing.
And our deficiencies are not so hugely difficult to improve on. A loan of a competitive strong midfielder to cover Sanchez and Gueye in holding, a couple of forwards one that has a vague idea of shooting and one with a bit of pace to supplement the attack and a keeper would pretty much have made us compete with the bottom half quite well as long as Okore stays fit.
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I'm not sure a midfielder is urgent, in my opinion we've held our own in midfield in most games since Garde came in and actually organised them, the defence has improved to the point of being competitive as well, we just need to score goals. There are 2 possible explanations to the lack of goals, 1 is bad service and the other is poor strikers. I don't think we're great in either aspect but I do believe that we create 3-4 decent chances a game but most of them amount to nothing because the strikers aren't mobile enough to get into the right positions or are so low on confidence that they're hiding (In Gestede's case it's both in my opinion). Another keeper (because Guzan is mentally shot) and a striker without the lack of confidence could be enough, a right back so Hutton gets nowhere near the team is the cherry on top.
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I'm not sure a midfielder is urgent, in my opinion we've held our own in midfield in most games since Garde came in and actually organised them, the defence has improved to the point of being competitive as well, we just need to score goals. There are 2 possible explanations to the lack of goals, 1 is bad service and the other is poor strikers. I don't think we're great in either aspect but I do believe that we create 3-4 decent chances a game but most of them amount to nothing because the strikers aren't mobile enough to get into the right positions or are so low on confidence that they're hiding (In Gestede's case it's both in my opinion). Another keeper (because Guzan is mentally shot) and a striker without the lack of confidence could be enough, a right back so Hutton gets nowhere near the team is the cherry on top.
Agree somewhat Paul and I think pretty much everyone on here would agree about the need for a striker. Since we've settled in the diamond formation though, it has become clear that we need some more drive from midfield. Gana and Veretout have been OK, it's playing Westwood in a more advanced role on the left of the diamond that is the problem. He's not been terrible there, but he just doesn't offer much in terms of going forward. I don't want to keep harking back to the past, but I just can't help but think the difference Benteke and Delph would have made, as they play the two positions we are short in.
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I'm not sure a midfielder is urgent, in my opinion we've held our own in midfield in most games since Garde came in and actually organised them, the defence has improved to the point of being competitive as well, we just need to score goals. There are 2 possible explanations to the lack of goals, 1 is bad service and the other is poor strikers. I don't think we're great in either aspect but I do believe that we create 3-4 decent chances a game but most of them amount to nothing because the strikers aren't mobile enough to get into the right positions or are so low on confidence that they're hiding (In Gestede's case it's both in my opinion). Another keeper (because Guzan is mentally shot) and a striker without the lack of confidence could be enough, a right back so Hutton gets nowhere near the team is the cherry on top.
Agree somewhat Paul and I think pretty much everyone on here would agree about the need for a striker. Since we've settled in the diamond formation though, it has become clear that we need some more drive from midfield. Gana and Veretout have been OK, it's playing Westwood in a more advanced role on the left of the diamond that is the problem. He's not been terrible there, but he just doesn't offer much in terms of going forward. I don't want to keep harking back to the past, but I just can't help but think the difference Benteke and Delph would have made, as they play the two positions we are short in.
I get what you're saying, but I'd like to see how Gil and Veretout look as creative options with a proper striker in front of them first. I think Kozak has been a step up from Gestede in many ways but he's still not getting into good positions or turning 50/50 balls into good ones which the best strikers will do.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12126540/.html
Another appeal.
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I'm more intrigued as to why anyone would think a non eu player with only two caps wouldn't have work permit issues but maybe I'm being harsh.
Who's that then?
He's talking about Kalinic, but given the number of non-EU players who don't meet the 75% of games in 2 years requirement but get through on appeal (look at our squad list, this applies to literally the first player on the list) it's a bit of a pointless comment. Someone with a growing reputation who has been part of a squad ranked 18th in the world should get through the appeal pretty easily so there's something odd about the whole story, especially now we've gone back in for a 2nd appeal, I think there's a bit of the story that's not surfaced yet.
Some of the ones who don't meet the international criteria have EU passports. I'm aware Croatia is in the EU but there are different rules for them.
The first player on our squad list is Brad Guzan. He has dual US and Polish nationalities or we wouldn't have been able to sign him.
Gestede and Ayew have French citizenship.
Gueye and Sanchez are our only squad members without EU citizenship and they qualified to play for us via the number of international caps they'd gained.
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Some of the ones who don't meet the international criteria have EU passports. I'm aware Croatia is in the EU but there are different rules for them.
I think Croatia is one of those EU countries which supplies immigrants we are supposed to frown at.
Unlike, say, France, where we just chuckle about them loving their food, or Germany, where we joke about their efficiency and then when we get to know them, start making sarcy WW2 comments.
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I believe in equality and find the hypocrisy appaling. We should make sarcy World War Two references to Croatians too. The Nazi table-cloth wearing weirdos.
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Some of the ones who don't meet the international criteria have EU passports. I'm aware Croatia is in the EU but there are different rules for them.
I think Croatia is one of those EU countries which supplies immigrants we are supposed to frown at.
Unlike, say, France, where we just chuckle about them loving their food, or Germany, where we joke about their efficiency and then when we get to know them, start making sarcy WW2 comments.
Isn't Bosnich Croatian or of Croatian descent?
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Yes. I remember stories that he argued with Milosevic in the dressing room during the Balkan War.
He was another work permit refusee, Man U got turned down for one. We were able to sign him shortly afterwards.
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Milosevic was actually Bosnian, just to add to the confusion.
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I'm more intrigued as to why anyone would think a non eu player with only two caps wouldn't have work permit issues but maybe I'm being harsh.
Who's that then?
He's talking about Kalinic, but given the number of non-EU players who don't meet the 75% of games in 2 years requirement but get through on appeal (look at our squad list, this applies to literally the first player on the list) it's a bit of a pointless comment. Someone with a growing reputation who has been part of a squad ranked 18th in the world should get through the appeal pretty easily so there's something odd about the whole story, especially now we've gone back in for a 2nd appeal, I think there's a bit of the story that's not surfaced yet.
Some of the ones who don't meet the international criteria have EU passports. I'm aware Croatia is in the EU but there are different rules for them.
The first player on our squad list is Brad Guzan. He has dual US and Polish nationalities or we wouldn't have been able to sign him.
Gestede and Ayew have French citizenship.
Gueye and Sanchez are our only squad members without EU citizenship and they qualified to play for us via the number of international caps they'd gained.
I'm pretty sure Guzan had to get a permit when he first joined, I seem to remember it being one of the reasons we didn't get him in the January before and then he was involved in a few US games and the permit went through on appeal the second time.
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And Sunderland sign that defender we were after from France.
It wasn't him, it was another one with the same first name.
Yeo realised that after. Ours was called Seine wasn't he?!
Ludovic Sané
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It is pretty concerning that other clubs in the relegation mix all seem to be buying players whereas we seem to be doing nothing.
[/quoteIt is pretty concerning that other clubs in the relegation mix all seem to be buying players whereas we seem to be doing nothing.
Are we seen as still being in the relegation mix though? Unfortunately when you're this far adrift the players that come have to be happy to play Championship football for at least a season or expect to be heavily remunerated for the inconvenience. Our targets won't do the first bit and we wont do the second.
I've no doubts they're trying though.
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The summer is going to be interesting. Burnley and Hull should be seen as decent examples. Keep the squad together, work very hard and the quality will shine through as the season wears on.
We need to be very astute as Burnley were, and make sure we identify and pay the money out for a goalscorer in that division. The top 2 also have the best defence in the league too. If we can keep Okore, Lescott, Cissokho together and add a capable right back (maybe risk Hutton and Bacuna) with Amavi coming back from injury and have Baker as back up we will likely only need a right sided centre half. The bulk of the spend has to be on a goalscoring midfielder or 2 and some forward options. I was hoping a couple of forwards would have come now to be ready. For the money a 6 month gamble on Santos - you would pay a lot more for a loan of most - to see how he goes, and then I would get Bamford in. Knows the league, will score and unlikely to drop in value.
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It is pretty concerning that other clubs in the relegation mix all seem to be buying players whereas we seem to be doing nothing.
To be honest the only player I would want that the teams around us have bought is Afobe. We were linked with him in the summer and I think we missed out there. I suppose Shelvey and Townsend might have added something, but their price tags were way too steep.
I still think we'll see some players coming in, but it will be late in the window.
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I hope, if we are keeping our powder dry, and I really disagree with doing so, that Remi has been told that getting back up is so important that he will be backed properly in the summer. I doubt it though as they've planned disastrously thus far!
Senderos, Zog, Richardson, Cole et al will all be off the wage bill too. All that said, take an educated gamble now and bed a couple of players in so they are ready and acclimatised.
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I think in their position I would want to bring in players who tick three boxes. Firstly will they help improve performance between now and the end of the season, secondly if we are relegated will they be be the type of players to fight our way back up and thirdly when we are back up will they continue to be of value to us.
Anything less than three ticks and we are back to the short termism that has got us in this mess.
Add to those considerations the reluctance of quality players to come to us and the probable brief Hollis has come with to keep the purse strings tight and you get some idea of the magnitude of the problem facing Remi Garde.
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While there is still the possibility of remaining in the division the current inertia is becoming a shameful surrender. It illuminates Lerner as the spineless spoiled little rich kid he really is and thick to boot. He may be well educated but he's clearly dumb as a rock, he's blown a quarter of a billion and we're worse after that sort of spending, fuckwittery if the highest order. He needed to dig deep and spend whatever it takes to return this around this time and then write it off when were sold. We're a far less attractive proposition to any potential buyer in the championship. Shameful, shameful surrender. Lerner fuck off you twunt.
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Bamford on loan has got to be worth a go surely? If it goes well follow up with a permanent deal. Too logical for our 'brain trust' methinks.
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Guzan should be made to reapply for his work permit if high talent and skill are prerequisites.
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Milosevic was actually Bosnian, just to add to the confusion.
Did he actually play for Bosnia as well as Yugoslavia?
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It is pretty concerning that other clubs in the relegation mix all seem to be buying players whereas we seem to be doing nothing.
Yep it's pretty depressing.
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Bamford on loan has got to be worth a go surely? If it goes well follow up with a permanent deal. Too logical for our 'brain trust' methinks.
I reckon even our 'brains trust' know he's already on loan elsewhere.
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While there is still the possibility of remaining in the division the current inertia is threatening to a shameful surrender. It illuminates Lerner as the spineless spoiled little rich kid he really is and thick to boot. He may be well educated but he's clearly dumb as a rock, he's blown a quarter of a billion and we're worse after that sort of spending, fuckwittery if the highest order. He needed to dig deep and spend whatever it takes to return this around this time and then write it off when were sold. We're a far less attractive proposition to any potential buyer in the championship. Shameful, shameful surrender. Lerner fuck off you twunt.
Whilst I don't want to come across as a Lerner apologist, and neither do I intend to turn this thread in to a debate on when or where it all went wrong, as there are numerous other threads more suitable for that subject, it's this kind of over simplified bollocks that really hacks me off.
There is no doubt that we could have expected more success on the pitch given the level of investment made in earlier years, but it is never guaranteed. We rolled the dice, made some very dubious decisions, and then compounded the mess with further poor decisions. Unfortunately, this cannot be rectified by just chucking more money at the team.
I have just about seen enough to trust in Garde and allow him the time to build what he believes is needed to turn us around. As for the ownership and executive management of Aston Villa as a business, none of us know what remit Hollis has been set, but we will begin to infer it from the actions taken over the next six months. As much as this transfer window might give a few pointers, and I just about still have enough belief to say we should not roll over and accept relegation yet, I would be more concerned if we were throwing money around in some desperate QPR style death throw.
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"You are looking a little bit long-term or medium term but then players fully understand that this football club can be huge and they want to be part of the new building of this football club."
I like this comment from Garde, we need to keep hold of him.
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It is pretty concerning that other clubs in the relegation mix all seem to be buying players whereas we seem to be doing nothing.
To be honest the only player I would want that the teams around us have bought is Afobe. We were linked with him in the summer and I think we missed out there. I suppose Shelvey and Townsend might have added something, but their price tags were way too steep.
I still think we'll see some players coming in, but it will be late in the window.
It's not so much the players Newcastle have signed, it's more the intent they're showing.
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Yes. I remember stories that he argued with Milosevic in the dressing room during the Balkan War.
He was another work permit refusee, Man U got turned down for one. We were able to sign him shortly afterwards.
I am very dopey. When I read this, my first thought, quite genuinely, was: "What the hell was Bozzie doing with Slobodan Milosevic?"
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Yes. I remember stories that he argued with Milosevic in the dressing room during the Balkan War.
He was another work permit refusee, Man U got turned down for one. We were able to sign him shortly afterwards.
I am very dopey. When I read this, my first thought, quite genuinely, was: "What the hell was Bozzie doing with Slobodan Milosevic?"
Coke?
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Yes. I remember stories that he argued with Milosevic in the dressing room during the Balkan War.
He was another work permit refusee, Man U got turned down for one. We were able to sign him shortly afterwards.
I am very dopey. When I read this, my first thought, quite genuinely, was: "What the hell was Bozzie doing with Slobodan Milosevic?"
Coke?
the infamous story of the convertible mercedes on broad street..... 8)
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It is pretty concerning that other clubs in the relegation mix all seem to be buying players whereas we seem to be doing nothing.
To be honest the only player I would want that the teams around us have bought is Afobe. We were linked with him in the summer and I think we missed out there. I suppose Shelvey and Townsend might have added something, but their price tags were way too steep.
I still think we'll see some players coming in, but it will be late in the window.
It's not so much the players Newcastle have signed, it's more the intent they're showing.
Yep.
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Bamford on loan has got to be worth a go surely? If it goes well follow up with a permanent deal. Too logical for our 'brain trust' methinks.
I reckon even our 'brains trust' know he's already on loan elsewhere.
If you mean palace he's left them and gone back to Chelsea. I don't know if he's been loaned elsewhere since Palace, though.
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It is pretty concerning that other clubs in the relegation mix all seem to be buying players whereas we seem to be doing nothing.
To be honest the only player I would want that the teams around us have bought is Afobe. We were linked with him in the summer and I think we missed out there. I suppose Shelvey and Townsend might have added something, but their price tags were way too steep.
I still think we'll see some players coming in, but it will be late in the window.
It's not so much the players Newcastle have signed, it's more the intent they're showing.
Yep.
Or, they are showing the same intent as us but players see them as a better option than us. Do people seriously think we haven't tried to sign anybody?
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Milosevic was actually Bosnian, just to add to the confusion.
Did he actually play for Bosnia as well as Yugoslavia?
No. He was a Bosnian-Serb and played for Yugoslavia, then Serbia & Montenegro, then Serbia. He's also had a spell as assistant manager for Montenegro.
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Bamford on loan has got to be worth a go surely? If it goes well follow up with a permanent deal. Too logical for our 'brain trust' methinks.
I reckon even our 'brains trust' know he's already on loan elsewhere.
If you mean palace he's left them and gone back to Chelsea. I don't know if he's been loaned elsewhere since Palace, though.
I didn't know that, maybe there is a place for me on our board.
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It is pretty concerning that other clubs in the relegation mix all seem to be buying players whereas we seem to be doing nothing.
To be honest the only player I would want that the teams around us have bought is Afobe. We were linked with him in the summer and I think we missed out there. I suppose Shelvey and Townsend might have added something, but their price tags were way too steep.
I still think we'll see some players coming in, but it will be late in the window.
It's not so much the players Newcastle have signed, it's more the intent they're showing.
Yep.
Or, they are showing the same intent as us but players see them as a better option than us. Do people seriously think we haven't tried to sign anybody?
I agree with that, the fact we are cut adrift will be a major factor as to players not wanting to come to us.
I reckon we have been trying but lets be honest as it stands we are hardly an attractive option
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Yes. I remember stories that he argued with Milosevic in the dressing room during the Balkan War.
He was another work permit refusee, Man U got turned down for one. We were able to sign him shortly afterwards.
I am very dopey. When I read this, my first thought, quite genuinely, was: "What the hell was Bozzie doing with Slobodan Milosevic?"
Big Ron did find Bozzie a wife in order to get his work permit though.
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Agree they have shown intent Paul, but spending nearly £25m on two players who are probably only really worth half of that could also be reviewed as reckless. They are likely to be on big wages as well, the kind of wages that can get clubs into big problems if they get relegated.
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They are but we wold have loved to have signed Shelvey and Afobe I reckon. Both would have improved us no end. I accept they were well over priced though
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Yes. I remember stories that he argued with Milosevic in the dressing room during the Balkan War.
He was another work permit refusee, Man U got turned down for one. We were able to sign him shortly afterwards.
I am very dopey. When I read this, my first thought, quite genuinely, was: "What the hell was Bozzie doing with Slobodan Milosevic?"
Big Ron did find Bozzie a wife in order to get his work permit though.
Oh I say! More 'Showbiz' after the Broad Street episode. Any more for any more? :)
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A little surprised people are lamenting the lack of transfers before the window shuts. Garde intimated right at the start that the action, if any, would happen at the end. We have little purchasing power and we are rightly not willing to pay overs or panic into a buy, having done so in recent years and been stuck with an expensive, unhelpful player. I think there is intent and some money, but also caution and care. That's a good thing. Let's see how it ends up.
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A little surprised people are lamenting the lack of transfers before the window shuts. Garde intimated right at the start that the action, if any, would happen at the end. We have little purchasing power and we are rightly not willing to pay overs or panic into a buy, having done so in recent years and been stuck with an expensive, unhelpful player. I think there is intent and some money, but also caution and care. That's a good thing. Let's see how it ends up.
You can't be that surprised, surely?
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A little surprised people are lamenting the lack of transfers before the window shuts. Garde intimated right at the start that the action, if any, would happen at the end. We have little purchasing power and we are rightly not willing to pay overs or panic into a buy, having done so in recent years and been stuck with an expensive, unhelpful player. I think there is intent and some money, but also caution and care. That's a good thing. Let's see how it ends up.
Spot on, I think people's expectations need to be weighed against reality and pragmatism.
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With Newcastle and their 'intent' the problem for me is that what they've actually done is sign 2 players who are marginal upgrades on what they have for £25m, it might keep them up this year but I don't think either are enough to avoid them being in the same position next January, especially not if, as i suspect, this money is being taken out of the summer 'pot'.
This is the sort of short termism we need to avoid as someone said on the last page (Brian I think) we need players who are good signings now and good signings for next season (whichever league we're in), on top of that they need to have the right attitude to serve as examples of what Garde expects from the squad. As appealing as it might be to spend £12.5m on someone like Shelvey or Townsend both have shown this season that they've got questionable attitudes to training/work ethic so they wouldn't have been right for us.
I'd have quite liked Afobe though, we really should have gone for him in the summer instead of Gestede.
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A little surprised people are lamenting the lack of transfers before the window shuts. Garde intimated right at the start that the action, if any, would happen at the end. We have little purchasing power and we are rightly not willing to pay overs or panic into a buy, having done so in recent years and been stuck with an expensive, unhelpful player. I think there is intent and some money, but also caution and care. That's a good thing. Let's see how it ends up.
You can't be that surprised, surely?
Not with everyone, but the pessimism of some posters has surprised me. The five million we're willing to pay for Kalinic suggests the money is there. But he seems to havd been discovered through hard work - there'd be few for whom we're likely to be close to the best option. Perhaps we may have a slight advantage with people whom Garde knows.
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No doubt that if we had been better positioned the money would have been there but what's the point of getting players that are not good enough to get into Spurs team? I would rather look overseas for new talent.
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You can't be serious with that comment surely? Spurs are now eons better than they were when we were challenging them so their rejects are quite good enough for us.
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You can't be serious with that comment surely? Spurs are now eons better than they were when we were challenging them so their rejects are quite good enough for us.
So are Man City and yet their rejects (Richards and Sinclair) that we picked up in the summer have both been largely disappointing whilst the players we picked up abroad have generally done well. The players who can't get games for the top sides having previously been in the team or having been bought in after good form elsewhere are generally ones that don't have enough quality to impose themselves on games in this league. Ones that have done well but have been replaced by better in that window or who were regulars but are getting older are ok but players like Townsend (his reputation is built around 2-3 good goals cutting in into his left foot but ignores the whole load of 'Tonevs' into row z) and Sinclair (can finish but has literally no other strengths to his game) who have just fallen out of favour have done it because they're just not that good. For £12.5m I want a winger with more than a 1 in 12 record for both goals and assists, I honestly believe that we let a far better right winger leave for free 18months ago.
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Like many clubs in the bottom half (ourselves included) what Newcastle are more in desperate need of, is a goalscorer. They've not got that. 25 mill on Shelvey and Townsend doesn't impress me that much. It's ludicrous in fact. I'd have been more concerned if they'd bought Austin.
That said, I think they'll scrape over the line now. We're down. Sunderland are going down and then it'll be Norwich or Bournemouth in 18th.
As for our summer dealings, we're past the point where doing what Newcastle have just done, is in any way sensible. We're dead and buried. We need to make signings for next season. Someone like Rhodes for example might be an astute signing. Give him 5 months in the Prem to see how he copes at this level. Next season he'll bang them in, as will Rudy. We can sign 2-3 (if we're lucky) who are willing and able to make us ready for the championship but still good enough to have an impact at Prem level.
There's no way in hell we'll be able to sign enough players of the required quality to keep us up. It's damn near impossible. The sort of striker who will come in and guarantee us 8-10 goals in the last 15 games is going to cost more than we can/will/should spend. The sort of creatively gifted midfielder we need will cost a shit load. In our position I think only players who are close to being world class could actually drag us out, and even then they'd have a hell of a task on their hands. Even in the best of circumstances they wouldn't come to Aston Villa. In the worst? No chance. There's also no point making desperate signings like Adebeyor for example, who I'm amazed Palace have taken a punt on. But they're in the sort of comfort zone where a gamble like that is something and nothing.
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With Newcastle and their 'intent' the problem for me is that what they've actually done is sign 2 players who are marginal upgrades on what they have for £25m, it might keep them up this year but I don't think either are enough to avoid them being in the same position next January, especially not if, as i suspect, this money is being taken out of the summer 'pot'.
This is the sort of short termism we need to avoid as someone said on the last page (Brian I think) we need players who are good signings now and good signings for next season (whichever league we're in), on top of that they need to have the right attitude to serve as examples of what Garde expects from the squad. As appealing as it might be to spend £12.5m on someone like Shelvey or Townsend both have shown this season that they've got questionable attitudes to training/work ethic so they wouldn't have been right for us.
I'd have quite liked Afobe though, we really should have gone for him in the summer instead of Gestede.
I think your point about short-termism is correct Paul. What we've had over the past five years is constant change and we've not had a decent spine of players that have been in place for a number of years. Our longest serving players are arguably our poorest ones at the moment and that shouldn't really be the case. The kind of players I'm talking about are the likes of Petrov, not world beaters but good top flight players that you can build a side around.
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You can't be serious with that comment surely? Spurs are now eons better than they were when we were challenging them so their rejects are quite good enough for us.
So are Man City and yet their rejects (Richards and Sinclair) that we picked up in the summer have both been largely disappointing whilst the players we picked up abroad have generally done well. The players who can't get games for the top sides having previously been in the team or having been bought in after good form elsewhere are generally ones that don't have enough quality to impose themselves on games in this league. Ones that have done well but have been replaced by better in that window or who were regulars but are getting older are ok but players like Townsend (his reputation is built around 2-3 good goals cutting in into his left foot but ignores the whole load of 'Tonevs' into row z) and Sinclair (can finish but has literally no other strengths to his game) who have just fallen out of favour have done it because they're just not that good. For £12.5m I want a winger with more than a 1 in 12 record for both goals and assists, I honestly believe that we let a far better right winger leave for free 18months ago.
True. I'd much rather have Albrighton than Townsend.
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A little surprised people are lamenting the lack of transfers before the window shuts. Garde intimated right at the start that the action, if any, would happen at the end. We have little purchasing power and we are rightly not willing to pay overs or panic into a buy, having done so in recent years and been stuck with an expensive, unhelpful player. I think there is intent and some money, but also caution and care. That's a good thing. Let's see how it ends up.
We've already drawn games we could have won with an extra striker. Attendances are plummeting and there is a desperate need to bring in somebody to lift spirits.
Saving it until the last minute just means that you lose any advantage in the transfer market as selling clubs, players and agents know that you are desperate.
It also leaves you left vulnerable if a player fails a medical or fails to agree terms, or if another club hijacks the deal as it leaves you bugger all time to pursue a plan B. Witness the pathetic scramble to bid for Gayle at the end of the last window.
Virtually every club struggling at the bottom of the table has already made at least one signing.
There is no benefit to trying to sign players at the end of the transfer window. It was a stupid idea when O'Neill was in charge and it's still a stupid idea now.
Not as stupid as not signing anyone though, which is what I suspect we'll do.
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You can't be serious with that comment surely? Spurs are now eons better than they were when we were challenging them so their rejects are quite good enough for us.
So are Man City and yet their rejects (Richards and Sinclair) that we picked up in the summer have both been largely disappointing whilst the players we picked up abroad have generally done well. The players who can't get games for the top sides having previously been in the team or having been bought in after good form elsewhere are generally ones that don't have enough quality to impose themselves on games in this league. Ones that have done well but have been replaced by better in that window or who were regulars but are getting older are ok but players like Townsend (his reputation is built around 2-3 good goals cutting in into his left foot but ignores the whole load of 'Tonevs' into row z) and Sinclair (can finish but has literally no other strengths to his game) who have just fallen out of favour have done it because they're just not that good. For £12.5m I want a winger with more than a 1 in 12 record for both goals and assists, I honestly believe that we let a far better right winger leave for free 18months ago.
I sometimes wonder if there's an element of arse in hands going on as well. To make it at that level you need a certain level of ego and self belief. If you're essentially canned by one of the teams at the top, that's got to hit you. How you react is either sulk a bit because you can't be where you want to be or be a professional and knuckle down.
We appear to have made a bad habit of picking up the first type instead of the second (Barry at Everton for example).
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A little surprised people are lamenting the lack of transfers before the window shuts. Garde intimated right at the start that the action, if any, would happen at the end. We have little purchasing power and we are rightly not willing to pay overs or panic into a buy, having done so in recent years and been stuck with an expensive, unhelpful player. I think there is intent and some money, but also caution and care. That's a good thing. Let's see how it ends up.
We've already drawn games we could have won with an extra striker. Attendances are plummeting and there is a desperate need to bring in somebody to lift spirits.
Saving it until the last minute just means that you lose any advantage in the transfer market as selling clubs, players and agents know that you are desperate. .
It also leaves you left with vulnerable if a player fails a medical or fails to agree terms, or if another club hijacks the deal as it leaves you bugger all time to pursue a plan B. Witness the pathetic scramble to bid for Gayle at the end of the last window.
Virtually every club struggling at the bottom of the table has already made at least one signing.
There is no benefit to trying to sign players at the end of the transfer window. It was a stupid idea when O'Neill was in charge and it's still a stupid idea now.
Not as stupid as not signing anyone though, which is what I suspect we'll do.
I don't think it's a gameplan this time, or for the want of trying. We've had the permit issues with the keeper, and we've been made to wait for Debuchy. I also suspect we've enquired about a lot of players and been told in no uncertain terms that there's not a hope in hell they'd come here. We were openly courting Remy but lets face it, that's not a goer at all.
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I'd rather us try and get a couple of loan signings in this window and save the transfer budget for the summer. I don't think it's impossible to attract a quality striker on loan despite our position if we could offer a generous bonus package if we do the impossible.
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You can't be serious with that comment surely? Spurs are now eons better than they were when we were challenging them so their rejects are quite good enough for us.
So are Man City and yet their rejects (Richards and Sinclair) that we picked up in the summer have both been largely disappointing whilst the players we picked up abroad have generally done well. The players who can't get games for the top sides having previously been in the team or having been bought in after good form elsewhere are generally ones that don't have enough quality to impose themselves on games in this league. Ones that have done well but have been replaced by better in that window or who were regulars but are getting older are ok but players like Townsend (his reputation is built around 2-3 good goals cutting in into his left foot but ignores the whole load of 'Tonevs' into row z) and Sinclair (can finish but has literally no other strengths to his game) who have just fallen out of favour have done it because they're just not that good. For £12.5m I want a winger with more than a 1 in 12 record for both goals and assists, I honestly believe that we let a far better right winger leave for free 18months ago.
I sometimes wonder if there's an element of arse in hands going on as well. To make it at that level you need a certain level of ego and self belief. If you're essentially canned by one of the teams at the top, that's got to hit you. How you react is either sulk a bit because you can't be where you want to be or be a professional and knuckle down.
We appear to have made a bad habit of picking up the first type instead of the second (Barry at Everton for example).
That's the point really, Barry was still part of the Man City squad and getting games but he was just getting too old to be worth giving a new deal to. It's not like he was sidelined without a game for months on end. Townsend, Sinclair and going back Sidwell are players that have shown they offer almost no value to those clubs and they've just been stuck in the stands not playing. All to often players who've been through that struggle at their next club and if they do come back strong it tends to be 2-3 clubs down the line when the mental scars are all healed.
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Did Albrighton leave on a free because of wages or was it genuinely Lambert showing him the door? I found that whole episode completely and utterly ridiculous.
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Did Albrighton leave on a free because of wages or was it genuinely Lambert showing him the door? I found that whole episode completely and utterly ridiculous.
I felt it was probably a combination of both. According to Marc we never offered him a new deal. That said we wouldn't have offered him the terms he's apparently getting at Leicester.
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I'd rather us try and get a couple of loan signings in this window and save the transfer budget for the summer. I don't think it's impossible to attract a quality striker on loan despite our position if we could offer a generous bonus package if we do the impossible.
that is exactly my take on our situation, good wages for the term of the loan, permanent deal on the table with decent wages plus a good bonus if we do manage to stay up. Go down and nothing lost in the long term as no permanent deal
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Did Albrighton leave on a free because of wages or was it genuinely Lambert showing him the door? I found that whole episode completely and utterly ridiculous.
I felt it was probably a combination of both. According to Marc we never offered him a new deal. That said we wouldn't have offered him the terms he's apparently getting at Leicester.
And to be honest as much as he is a decent guy - he would not be worth it
I think with Pato seemingly on board at Chelsea there maybe some movement in the Remy loan and as for Townsend - not sure of his wage but they have agreed a 5 year deal OMG
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I thought everyone at St James's got a 7 year deal?
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I thought everyone at St James's got a 7 year deal?
Only if they've broken a mirror.
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Did Albrighton leave on a free because of wages or was it genuinely Lambert showing him the door? I found that whole episode completely and utterly ridiculous.
I felt it was probably a combination of both. According to Marc we never offered him a new deal. That said we wouldn't have offered him the terms he's apparently getting at Leicester.
And to be honest as much as he is a decent guy - he would not be worth it
I think with Pato seemingly on board at Chelsea there maybe some movement in the Remy loan and as for Townsend - not sure of his wage but they have agreed a 5 year deal OMG
I keep reading this Pato is a midfielder though. I admit, I don't know a great deal about him.
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Did Albrighton leave on a free because of wages or was it genuinely Lambert showing him the door? I found that whole episode completely and utterly ridiculous.
I felt it was probably a combination of both. According to Marc we never offered him a new deal. That said we wouldn't have offered him the terms he's apparently getting at Leicester.
And to be honest as much as he is a decent guy - he would not be worth it
I think with Pato seemingly on board at Chelsea there maybe some movement in the Remy loan and as for Townsend - not sure of his wage but they have agreed a 5 year deal OMG
I keep reading this Pato is a midfielder though. I admit, I don't know a great deal about him.
Okay in the early 90s.
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Did Albrighton leave on a free because of wages or was it genuinely Lambert showing him the door? I found that whole episode completely and utterly ridiculous.
I felt it was probably a combination of both. According to Marc we never offered him a new deal. That said we wouldn't have offered him the terms he's apparently getting at Leicester.
And to be honest as much as he is a decent guy - he would not be worth it
I think with Pato seemingly on board at Chelsea there maybe some movement in the Remy loan and as for Townsend - not sure of his wage but they have agreed a 5 year deal OMG
I keep reading this Pato is a midfielder though. I admit, I don't know a great deal about him.
He isn't, he's a centre-forward.
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Best when played in a front two with Roger
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Palace want 6.5 for Gayle according to the press. A lot but might be worth it for next season.
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Does anyone know which page I need to go to to catch up on all the signings today to save me reading all of the posts?
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Palace want 6.5 for Gayle according to the press. A lot but might be worth it for next season.
Bloody hell, it's when you nod your head at posts like this you realise just how shite we have become. Actively hoping we sign players who aren't good enough for Palace. Jesus wept.
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I thought everyone at St James's got a 7 year deal?
Only if they've broken a mirror.
Boom boom
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Palace want 6.5 for Gayle according to the press. A lot but might be worth it for next season.
Bloody hell, it's when you nod your head at posts like this you realise just how shite we have become. Actively hoping we sign players who aren't good enough for Palace. Jesus wept.
Exactly how I feel.
Club makes me barf.
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Not sure what the whining is about, we've already had transfers of Ilori, Senderos, Bennett and Crespo. Probably one of the most active clubs.
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Not sure what the whining is about, we've already had transfers of Ilori, Senderos, Bennett and Crespo. Probably one of the most active clubs.
And Joe Cole. EDIT - And Gary Gardner
When you think about it, that's probably conservatively £15k a week each x 6 = £90k per week = £360k per month on players who have had absolutely sod all effect on our season and no-one will even notice have gone.
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Did Albrighton leave on a free because of wages or was it genuinely Lambert showing him the door? I found that whole episode completely and utterly ridiculous.
I felt it was probably a combination of both. According to Marc we never offered him a new deal. That said we wouldn't have offered him the terms he's apparently getting at Leicester.
And to be honest as much as he is a decent guy - he would not be worth it
I think with Pato seemingly on board at Chelsea there maybe some movement in the Remy loan and as for Townsend - not sure of his wage but they have agreed a 5 year deal OMG
I keep reading this Pato is a midfielder though. I admit, I don't know a great deal about him.
He isn't, he's a centre-forward.
Did Albrighton leave on a free because of wages or was it genuinely Lambert showing him the door? I found that whole episode completely and utterly ridiculous.
I felt it was probably a combination of both. According to Marc we never offered him a new deal. That said we wouldn't have offered him the terms he's apparently getting at Leicester.
And to be honest as much as he is a decent guy - he would not be worth it
I think with Pato seemingly on board at Chelsea there maybe some movement in the Remy loan and as for Townsend - not sure of his wage but they have agreed a 5 year deal OMG
I keep reading this Pato is a midfielder though. I admit, I don't know a great deal about him.
Okay in the early 90s.
He would've been 3 or 4 in the early 90s? Have I missed something?
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Palace want 6.5 for Gayle according to the press. A lot but might be worth it for next season.
In a world where Ross McCormack is valued at £10m, it's probably not a bad price.
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Palace want 6.5 for Gayle according to the press. A lot but might be worth it for next season.
Bloody hell, it's when you nod your head at posts like this you realise just how shite we have become. Actively hoping we sign players who aren't good enough for Palace. Jesus wept.
Exactly how I feel.
Club makes me barf.
Well that's good because apparently Swansea are in for him for £7.5m.
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Did Albrighton leave on a free because of wages or was it genuinely Lambert showing him the door? I found that whole episode completely and utterly ridiculous.
I felt it was probably a combination of both. According to Marc we never offered him a new deal. That said we wouldn't have offered him the terms he's apparently getting at Leicester.
And to be honest as much as he is a decent guy - he would not be worth it
I think with Pato seemingly on board at Chelsea there maybe some movement in the Remy loan and as for Townsend - not sure of his wage but they have agreed a 5 year deal OMG
I keep reading this Pato is a midfielder though. I admit, I don't know a great deal about him.
He isn't, he's a centre-forward.
Did Albrighton leave on a free because of wages or was it genuinely Lambert showing him the door? I found that whole episode completely and utterly ridiculous.
I felt it was probably a combination of both. According to Marc we never offered him a new deal. That said we wouldn't have offered him the terms he's apparently getting at Leicester.
And to be honest as much as he is a decent guy - he would not be worth it
I think with Pato seemingly on board at Chelsea there maybe some movement in the Remy loan and as for Townsend - not sure of his wage but they have agreed a 5 year deal OMG
I keep reading this Pato is a midfielder though. I admit, I don't know a great deal about him.
Okay in the early 90s.
He would've been 3 or 4 in the early 90s? Have I missed something?
Only if you're not a fan of, or familiar with early 90s reggae.
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Not sure what the whining is about, we've already had transfers of Ilori, Senderos, Bennett and Crespo. Probably one of the most active clubs.
And Joe Cole. EDIT - And Gary Gardner
When you think about it, that's probably conservatively £15k a week each x 6 = £90k per week = £360k per month on players who have had absolutely sod all effect on our season and no-one will even notice have gone.
Trouble is, these are all departures - where are the incoming players? Lerner's cost-cutting once again, which is the continuation of the last 5 years - and look where we'll be come May. Thanks Randy, I really like the ''Bright Future'' that you've delivered.
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Not sure what the whining is about, we've already had transfers of Ilori, Senderos, Bennett and Crespo. Probably one of the most active clubs.
And Joe Cole. EDIT - And Gary Gardner
When you think about it, that's probably conservatively £15k a week each x 6 = £90k per week = £360k per month on players who have had absolutely sod all effect on our season and no-one will even notice have gone.
Trouble is, these are all departures - where are the incoming players?
That's kind of my point. If we hadn't had these five players this season, would it have made any difference to the squad? If instead that £90k per week had gone to 2 more players of better quality...
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So what's wrong with getting rid of the parasites within the Club?
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So what's wrong with getting rid of the parasites within the Club?
Nothing at all. Need them all gone.
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Ok cutting out the deadwood, BUT WHERE ARE THE INCOMING PLAYERS?? LIKE A STRIKER FOR INSTANCE!
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Gabby off to Turkey, how ironic.
Never going to happen, he's here till the end of 2017/18 unless we give him a new deal which is far more likely. ::)
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Gabby off to Turkey, how ironic.
Never going to happen, he's here till the end of 2017/18 unless we give him a new deal which is far more likely. ::)
The nearest he'll get to Turkey is his local kebab van, which I imagine he's a regular customer.
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Is it any wonder we've had no new players in, Debuchet is an example as soon as our relegation rivals get a sniff of a good player they are in like Flynn, I hope Garde has a few lined up for the last day when it is too late for other clubs to make offers or for agents to auction the player.
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Sunderland likely to get Kharzi and in talks with Debuchy. Both looked like they were high up Garde's list. Bloody tough month for him. Fell very sorry for him.
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So what's wrong with getting rid of the parasites within the Club?
As we've seen previously, it's not that simple. For some reason they seem loathed to turn their backs on the hefty contracts they are on to accept less money elsewhere. The only option then is to form a bomb squad in the hope of forcing them out. That lasts until a new manager comes in and everyone starts afresh. They have a few decent games before reverting back to type and find themselves back in the bomb squad again. We've had more bomb squads in the last few years than the RAF did in World War II!
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Sunderland likely to get Kharzi and in talks with Debuchy. Both looked like they were high up Garde's list. Bloody tough month for him. Fell very sorry for him.
Fucking Sunderland, Christ.
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Sunderland likely to get Kharzi and in talks with Debuchy. Both looked like they were high up Garde's list. Bloody tough month for him. Fell very sorry for him.
Fucking Sunderland, Christ.
If Debuchy went there it'd be a real kick in the nuts.
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note to whoever(and I mean whoever)
im at a loss, wondering what has happened to this once great club of ours.for the love of god please give us a striker, any fkn body will do, that can at least give us a chance, there are still so many points to play for, I for one will not surrender yet!
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I really don't get what we have to lose getting that Santos on the cheap and Bamford in on loan with a view to buy. Still no news on Kalinic either.
I am sure Garde has identified players. The board have clearly not done enough.
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I just read that article in the Mail - Gregg Evans supposition though it is - and he reckons we've slimmed down the ambition to a keeper and a striker and anybody else would be a bonus. So Debuchy to Sunderland is probably accurate.
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Does anyone know which page I need to go to to catch up on all the signings today to save me reading all of the posts?
This one....
(http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/testcards/images/169_testcards/BBCHD_testcard_big.jpg)
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Great.
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What a shit season. And then a truly awful window.
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I just read that article in the Mail - Gregg Evans supposition though it is - and he reckons we've slimmed down the ambition to a keeper and a striker and anybody else would be a bonus. So Debuchy to Sunderland is probably accurate.
That's just rehashed from about a week ago - I remember reading it then too.
Fat Sam said today that he's made an enquiry for Debuchy but it's gone no further.
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Where has this Gabby to Turkey stuff come from?
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I just read that article in the Mail - Gregg Evans supposition though it is - and he reckons we've slimmed down the ambition to a keeper and a striker and anybody else would be a bonus. So Debuchy to Sunderland is probably accurate.
That's just rehashed from about a week ago - I remember reading it then too.
Fat Sam said today that he's made an enquiry for Debuchy but it's gone no further.
Debuchy has lived in the north-east before. That's got to be in our favour surely?
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Where has this Gabby to Turkey stuff come from?
I think a conversation was overheard but they couldn't quite make out whether it was:
a) Gabby's going to Turkey on holiday
b) Gabby' eaten too much Turkey
c) Gabby's gone cold Turkey
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Where has this Gabby to Turkey stuff come from?
hitc.com
dont know if its a kosher site
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Where has this Gabby to Turkey stuff come from?
It came from Turkish sources which have since been designated as unreliable.
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Where has this Gabby to Turkey stuff come from?
hitc.com
dont know if its a kosher site
Gabby off to Turkey eh?
What a delight
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Where has this Gabby to Turkey stuff come from?
I think a conversation was overheard but they couldn't quite make out whether it was:
a) Gabby's going to Turkey on holiday
b) Gabby' eaten too much Turkey
c) Gabby's gone cold Turkey
If it's C, the arse has fallen out of the Balti pie business.
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Where has this Gabby to Turkey stuff come from?
It came from Turkish sources which have since been designated as unreliable.
fuck me more bad news
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Where has this Gabby to Turkey stuff come from?
It came from Turkish sources which have since been designated as unreliable.
Fawlty sources, it's actually Torquay Utd that Gabby's joining
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Where has this Gabby to Turkey stuff come from?
It came from Turkish sources which have since been designated as unreliable.
Fawlty sources, it's actually Torquay Utd that Gabby's joining
You'll have to excuse us. We've only got one player from Barcelona.
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I just read that article in the Mail - Gregg Evans supposition though it is - and he reckons we've slimmed down the ambition to a keeper and a striker and anybody else would be a bonus. So Debuchy to Sunderland is probably accurate.
That's just rehashed from about a week ago - I remember reading it then too.
Fat Sam said today that he's made an enquiry for Debuchy but it's gone no further.
Debuchy has lived in the north-east before. That's got to be in our favour surely?
Good man, Percy. I enjoyed your contributions on the BBC thread about Birmingham. The council should really have a well paid job for you.
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Said it before and I'll say it again I'm glad we haven't signed anyone. We're already down, save the pennies. No point wasting money on players for a few months when we're going down anyway.
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Said it before and I'll say it again I'm glad we haven't signed anyone. We're already down, save the pennies. No point wasting money on players for a few months when we're going down anyway.
I'm sure Randy, Tom and Steve will be delighted to hear it!
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Said it before and I'll say it again I'm glad we haven't signed anyone. We're already down, save the pennies. No point wasting money on players for a few months when we're going down anyway.
This is your best post ever!
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Said it before and I'll say it again I'm glad we haven't signed anyone. We're already down, save the pennies. No point wasting money on players for a few months when we're going down anyway.
I'm sure Randy, Tom and Steve will be delighted to hear it!
I am Tom Fox! Muhahahahahaha!
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Muhahahahahaha!
I remember that line from "What Did Tom Fox Say?"
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Said it before and I'll say it again I'm glad we haven't signed anyone. We're already down, save the pennies. No point wasting money on players for a few months when we're going down anyway.
I'm sure Randy, Tom and Steve will be delighted to hear it!
I am Tom Fox! Muhahahahahaha!
I knew it!
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I just read that article in the Mail - Gregg Evans supposition though it is - and he reckons we've slimmed down the ambition to a keeper and a striker and anybody else would be a bonus. So Debuchy to Sunderland is probably accurate.
That's just rehashed from about a week ago - I remember reading it then too.
Fat Sam said today that he's made an enquiry for Debuchy but it's gone no further.
Debuchy has lived in the north-east before. That's got to be in our favour surely?
Good man, Percy. I enjoyed your contributions on the BBC thread about Birmingham. The council should really have a well paid job for you.
You're too kind.
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Sunderland likely to get Kharzi and in talks with Debuchy. Both looked like they were high up Garde's list. Bloody tough month for him. Fell very sorry for him.
Fucking Sunderland, Christ.
If Debuchy went there it'd be a real kick in the nuts.
If it's only on loan until the end of the season, then no big deal. If he goes there on a permanent deal then it would be a blow as we need an upgrade at RB.
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It's not upgrade we need at RB we need grade.
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This one....
(http://hub.tv-ark.org.uk/images/testcards/images/169_testcards/BBCHD_testcard_big.jpg)
I loved that shirt.
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I see there has been a lot of interest from other clubs in Gabby......not. Just shows how what other clubs think of him, he must be getting old with all these niggling injuries he's getting or is it the extra weight he's carrying?
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Problem for me is say we go buy a striker from the championship or abroad by the time they've settled it's too late. Keeper I wouldn't bother I'd keep bunn then next year we've got steer who's used to the championship. Whole thing is a Fucking disaster
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Gong out with a whimper if that. Arseholes.
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...and now Villa are beaten to the signing of a new Left back by a village team from Gloucester
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-35428976
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Gong out with a whimper if that. Arseholes.
A cymbal of what has become of the club
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So the fabled Mr, Reilly has delivered fuck all in our hour of need and our new network of scouts have scoured the UK , Europe and the Americas and drawn a blank.
Hope they feel satisfied with their efforts .
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Gong out with a whimper if that. Arseholes.
A cymbal of what has become of the club
I can hardly drum up the interest to click on this thread anymore.
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Gong out with a whimper if that. Arseholes.
A cymbal of what has become of the club
I can hardly drum up the interest to click on this thread anymore.
There's still time to snare one or two.
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Gong out with a whimper if that. Arseholes.
Such a shame we couldn't snare any of our targets.
A cymbal of what has become of the club
I can hardly drum up the interest to click on this thread anymore.
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I've got this image of Reilly and Almstadt sitting in front of Football Manager or whatever magical scouting system we're using and Fox coming in and pulling the plug out of the wall leaving them staring at a blank screen.
Every so often one of them will tap the keyboard see nothing is happening and go back to staring at the blank screen again.
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Gong out with a whimper if that. Arseholes.
Such a shame we couldn't snare any of our targets.
A cymbal of what has become of the club
I can hardly drum up the interest to click on this thread anymore.
Gong out with a whimper if that. Arseholes.
Such a shame we couldn't snare any of our targets.
A cymbal of what has become of the club
I can hardly drum up the interest to click on this thread anymore.
Nota again.. I'll have to beat the shit out of someone.
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Gong out with a whimper if that. Arseholes.
Such a shame we couldn't snare any of our targets.
A cymbal of what has become of the club
I can hardly drum up the interest to click on this thread anymore.
Right lets try again
Such a shame we couldn't snare any of our targets.
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Now it could be that we had a load of targets that we have pursued with great vigour and we just couldn't convince them, and if that's the case then I apologise for the following statement. If we haven't released the required funds and tried really hard to get some players in, we are really stupid as a club. Regardless of whether we are going down we need to start the rebuilding process immediately and at the very least getting some players now would give them 6 months to bed in before the start of next season. As it stands we're going to need a massive turnover of players in the summer and that's not normally great when trying to get off to a good start. I really hope the board haven't looked at our situation and thought it's not worth supplying the required funds, because regardless of where we are next season new players are a priority now.
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If we haven't released the required funds and tried really hard to get some players in, we are really stupid as a club.
While I agree with what you are saying PW I don't think the people making these non-decisions are "we" at all. The stupid ones will be gone from our club as soon as something better pokes over the horizon for them and then we (the fans) will be left with the aftermath.
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I've got this image of Reilly and Almstadt sitting in front of Football Manager or whatever magical scouting system we're using and Fox coming in and pulling the plug out of the wall leaving them staring at a blank screen.
Every so often one of them will tap the keyboard see nothing is happening and go back to staring at the blank screen again.
i think it is a zx spectrum and they cant get the tape to load
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It's all a bit of a farce isn't it.
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Gong out with a whimper if that. Arseholes.
Such a shame we couldn't snare any of our targets.
A cymbal of what has become of the club
I can hardly drum up the interest to click on this thread anymore.
Right lets try again
Such a shame we couldn't snare any of our targets.
Yes but we don't to sign any old tom-tom, dick or harry.
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i didnt expect much but i expected more than this
i think the fact we are adrift is a big factor
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Gong out with a whimper if that. Arseholes.
Such a shame we couldn't snare any of our targets.
A cymbal of what has become of the club
I can hardly drum up the interest to click on this thread anymore.
Right lets try again
Such a shame we couldn't snare any of our targets.
Yes but we don't to sign any old tom-tom, dick or harry.
Knowing us we'll end up bringing Djembe-Djembe back in.
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Knowing us we'll end up bringing Djembe-Djembe back in.
That's got to be the winner.
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Gong out with a whimper if that. Arseholes.
Such a shame we couldn't snare any of our targets.
A cymbal of what has become of the club
I can hardly drum up the interest to click on this thread anymore.
Right lets try again
Such a shame we couldn't snare any of our targets.
Yes but we don't to sign any old tom-tom, dick or harry.
Knowing us we'll end up bringing Djembe-Djembe back in.
Beat me to it. (I didn't think it was too well known!)
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Did Albrighton leave on a free because of wages or was it genuinely Lambert showing him the door? I found that whole episode completely and utterly ridiculous.
I felt it was probably a combination of both. According to Marc we never offered him a new deal. That said we wouldn't have offered him the terms he's apparently getting at Leicester.
And to be honest as much as he is a decent guy - he would not be worth it
I think with Pato seemingly on board at Chelsea there maybe some movement in the Remy loan and as for Townsend - not sure of his wage but they have agreed a 5 year deal OMG
I keep reading this Pato is a midfielder though. I admit, I don't know a great deal about him.
He isn't, he's a centre-forward.
Did Albrighton leave on a free because of wages or was it genuinely Lambert showing him the door? I found that whole episode completely and utterly ridiculous.
I felt it was probably a combination of both. According to Marc we never offered him a new deal. That said we wouldn't have offered him the terms he's apparently getting at Leicester.
And to be honest as much as he is a decent guy - he would not be worth it
I think with Pato seemingly on board at Chelsea there maybe some movement in the Remy loan and as for Townsend - not sure of his wage but they have agreed a 5 year deal OMG
I keep reading this Pato is a midfielder though. I admit, I don't know a great deal about him.
Okay in the early 90s.
He would've been 3 or 4 in the early 90s? Have I missed something?
Only if you're not a fan of, or familiar with early 90s reggae.
Yeah I'm familiar with Pato banton........ Talk about a tenuous link??? Maybe I should make some sort of link about the X-Factor contestant on the Darius Vassell retires thread ;)
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i see Bournemouth have signed an 18 yr old Lithuanian keeper as 6th choice - how can they get a work permit for him and we can;t for our chap, or do you not need one from Lithuania?
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I see there has been a lot of interest from other clubs in Gabby......not. Just shows how what other clubs think of him, he must be getting old with all these niggling injuries he's getting or is it the extra weight he's carrying?
extra weight hardly helps his injuries, with his other off field problems this terms playing football has been a long way down his list of priorities this term. Dreadful professional and an appalling example to other young players at the club.
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i see Bournemouth have signed an 18 yr old Lithuanian keeper as 6th choice - how can they get a work permit for him and we can;t for our chap, or do you not need one from Lithuania?
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Not needed.
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i see Bournemouth have signed an 18 yr old Lithuanian keeper as 6th choice - how can they get a work permit for him and we can;t for our chap, or do you not need one from Lithuania?
The latter - no restrictions on movement between the UK and Lithuania, whereas there and between the UK and Croatia.
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There's still a couple of days to prove me wrong, but I just feel like we're naive and pretty ham fisted when it comes to our dealings.
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I see there has been a lot of interest from other clubs in Gabby......not. Just shows how what other clubs think of him, he must be getting old with all these niggling injuries he's getting or is it the extra weight he's carrying?
extra weight hardly helps his injuries, with his other off field problems this terms playing football has been a long way down his list of priorities this term. Dreadful professional and an appalling example to other young players at the club.
Is he really a dreadful professional?
One club player and never speaks ill of the club, gets very involved with charity work, and is our all-time top Premier League goalscorer?
I agree he's lacking in ability, but it seems harsh to question his professionalism.
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i would question his professionalism every day of the week
overweight which doesnt help with his constant injuries and has done absolutely zero to work on the weak points of his game
as for being our leading pl goalscorer, so what. just look at how many games it has taken him.
gabby epitomises what is wrong with our club, lazy and just happy to pick up a shed load of money while contributing fuck all
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Happy to disagree with you
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There's some shocking use of the quote button been going on here.
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i would question his professionalism every day of the week
overweight which doesnt help with his constant injuries and has done absolutely zero to work on the weak points of his game
as for being our leading pl goalscorer, so what. just look at how many games it has taken him.
gabby epitomises what is wrong with our club, lazy and just happy to pick up a shed load of money while contributing fuck all
can you believe this club extended his contract . oh dear
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There's some shocking use of the quote button been going on here.
There's some shocking use of the quote button been going on here.
There's some shocking use of the quote button been going on here.
There's some shocking use of the quote button been going on here.
There's some shocking use of the quote button been going on here.
Tell me about it
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Tumbleweed in Reilly's office again.
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There's some shocking use of the quote button been going on here.
Maybe disable the option? Going back to transfers Sunderland agree £8.5m with Marseille for some guy called Wahbi Kazhr, I think we we're linked with him before the embarrassment at the SOL?
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Tumbleweed in Reilly's office again.
Don't worry, I am sure the board are working hard to try and sell a few more players before the window closes.
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I see there has been a lot of interest from other clubs in Gabby......not. Just shows how what other clubs think of him, he must be getting old with all these niggling injuries he's getting or is it the extra weight he's carrying?
extra weight hardly helps his injuries, with his other off field problems this terms playing football has been a long way down his list of priorities this term. Dreadful professional and an appalling example to other young players at the club.
Is he really a dreadful professional?
One club player and never speaks ill of the club, gets very involved with charity work, and is our all-time top Premier League goalscorer?
I agree he's lacking in ability, but it seems harsh to question his professionalism.
I agree. What are these other off-field problems?
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Well if we don't do anything today, we won't do anything tomorrow or Sunday so it'll be down to the last day. That's an awful lot of work to do in one day.
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Tumbleweed in Reilly's office again.
Don't worry, I am sure the board are working hard to try and sell a few more players before the window closes.
I really don't get it.
What's wrong with getting rid of the dead wood and parasite's in the club?
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Tumbleweed in Reilly's office again.
Don't worry, I am sure the board are working hard to try and sell a few more players before the window closes.
I really don't get it.
What's wrong with getting rid of the dead wood and parasite's in the club?
It's the not signing anyone better that is the problem. That and the fact that I strongly suspect they would sell better players too given any offers. Btw I think Gardner is decent and should be blooded ahead of next season.
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I think this is as exciting as its going to get this transfer deadline?
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/639175/Remi-Garde-surprise-revelation-Aston-Villa-transfer
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Tumbleweed in Reilly's office again.
Don't worry, I am sure the board are working hard to try and sell a few more players before the window closes.
I really don't get it.
What's wrong with getting rid of the dead wood and parasite's in the club?
How about getting rid of the deadwood AND signing a few players that could help lift us from the bottom of the table? Is there any pride left at the club?
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Those results over Christmas have really fucked up this window. If we had a win or two things would look a bit more positive. The board have given up.
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Those results over Christmas have really fucked up this window. If we had a win or two things would look a bit more positive. The board have given up.
I'd be inclined to agree, but for the fact I'm starting to feel like we always have an excuse.
Look when we were on our arse and all we got was Sylla and Dawkins. Look the season after when Benteke was out and we got Grant Holt on loan, or last season when we took a punt on a kid from Spain.
There's always reasons why we can't do things, the same reasons don't seem to apply to our competitors unfortunately.
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Those results over Christmas have really fucked up this window. If we had a win or two things would look a bit more positive. The board have given up.
I don't believe that for one minute. Win 2 matches on the spin even now and we're right back in it. If anything even if we had those wins over Christmas you mentioned we'd still be here lamenting over our non signings right now. Basically they don't give a flying fuck about our Premier League status or the club in general.
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Those results over Christmas have really fucked up this window. If we had a win or two things would look a bit more positive. The board have given up.
The Sunderland and Norwich games killed us. Totally. Defensive Fuck Up after Fuck Up after Fuck Up.
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Those results over Christmas have really fucked up this window. If we had a win or two things would look a bit more positive. The board have given up.
I don't believe that for one minute. Win 2 matches on the spin even now and we're right back in it. If anything even if we had those wins over Christmas you mentioned we'd still be here lamenting over our non signings right now. Basically they don't give a flying fuck about our Premier League status or the club in general.
Well I'm shocked.
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There's always reasons why we can't do things, the same reasons don't seem to apply to our competitors unfortunately.
Yeah, there's always some crappy mitigating circumstances.
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It wouldn't surprise me if Randy has one final regret this season and that being we end up only four or five points from safety.
I can understand not spending ridiculous amounts but take a few calculated risks for God sake.
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I think this is as exciting as its going to get this transfer deadline?
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/639175/Remi-Garde-surprise-revelation-Aston-Villa-transfer
I knew he wouldn't manage it
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15m would not have broken the bank would it. Keeper forward and couple of loans to give us a fighting chance. Sunderland have gone out and got people in.
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15m would not have broken the bank would it. Keeper forward and couple of loans to give us a fighting chance. Sunderland have gone out and got people in.
Nope but I suppose it depends on wages requested and whether incoming signings would be prepared to take a 50% pay cut in the event we are relegated or they would request release clauses well below the price we pay and/or their sell on value.
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Those results over Christmas have really fucked up this window. If we had a win or two things would look a bit more positive. The board have given up.
I don't believe that for one minute. Win 2 matches on the spin even now and we're right back in it. If anything even if we had those wins over Christmas you mentioned we'd still be here lamenting over our non signings right now. Basically they don't give a flying fuck about our Premier League status or the club in general.
Thats assuming everybody else above us slips up? Which hasn't really happened in fact when we've played against teams by us on the whole we've rolled over, lubed up and well the rest is history. Its all well and good staying positive but when you have to rely on three teams above you to consistently fail you're just clutching at straws.
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It's what Fat Sam called pop bottles and milk bottles. Time was when you got money back on a pop bottle but nothing on a milk bottle.
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Even if we do sign anyone, it's not going to be a decent striker. We will have to hope Gabby has had a road to Damascus style enlightenment.
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15m would not have broken the bank would it. Keeper forward and couple of loans to give us a fighting chance. Sunderland have gone out and got people in.
Nope but I suppose it depends on wages requested and whether incoming signings would be prepared to take a 50% pay cut in the event we are relegated or they would request release clauses well below the price we pay and/or their sell on value.
And that's it in a nutshell. Do we gamble on massively long odds ans pay way over the top to then watch them walk away for nothing in 5 months. That would be madness in our position.
Being 10 points adrift has stuffed us up totally, some of us have been saying this would happen since the Watford game. We had to stay in touch - 7+ points was when we became dead men walking.
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Those results over Christmas have really fucked up this window. If we had a win or two things would look a bit more positive. The board have given up.
I don't believe that for one minute. Win 2 matches on the spin even now and we're right back in it. If anything even if we had those wins over Christmas you mentioned we'd still be here lamenting over our non signings right now. Basically they don't give a flying fuck about our Premier League status or the club in general.
Thats assuming everybody else above us slips up? Which hasn't really happened in fact when we've played against teams by us on the whole we've rolled over, lubed up and well the rest is history. Its all well and good staying positive but when you have to rely on three teams above you to consistently fail you're just clutching at straws.
Teams are in and around the relegation zone for one reason only and it's because they're shit, so let's face it they're gonna lose games, and lots of them. Back to back wins and you're back in the mix. We've given up way too early.
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Sorry to disagree SH, I fully respect your point of view but I think it is not a case of the club giving up too early but the club starting to act sensibly much too late.
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Those results over Christmas have really fucked up this window. If we had a win or two things would look a bit more positive. The board have given up.
I don't believe that for one minute. Win 2 matches on the spin even now and we're right back in it. If anything even if we had those wins over Christmas you mentioned we'd still be here lamenting over our non signings right now. Basically they don't give a flying fuck about our Premier League status or the club in general.
Maybe you're right after all Leicester did it, I hope you're right. The board are doing FA to help the manager though.
Thats assuming everybody else above us slips up? Which hasn't really happened in fact when we've played against teams by us on the whole we've rolled over, lubed up and well the rest is history. Its all well and good staying positive but when you have to rely on three teams above you to consistently fail you're just clutching at straws.
Teams are in and around the relegation zone for one reason only and it's because they're shit, so let's face it they're gonna lose games, and lots of them. Back to back wins and you're back in the mix. We've given up way too early.
Maybe you're right, Leicester did it. I hope you're right but it looks as though RG will have to do it without the boards help?
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I think we'll end up with the keeper and a forward on loan either Sunday or Monday.
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Sorry to disagree SH, I fully respect your point of view but I think it is not a case of the club giving up too early but the club starting to act sensibly much too late.
Resigning to relegation in January is not acting sensibly. It's irresponsible and offensive to the fans of the club.
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We've won twice all season. We're 10 points from safety. We're on our best run of the year but still not making any ground. We've a very tough run of games coming up.
I'd love to see us get out of this but we won't. I don't want us to fuck up next season before it starts by chasing rainbows in this window. Of all the irresponsible actions under Lerner's tenure that would be the worst.
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Teams are in and around the relegation zone for one reason only and it's because they're shit, so let's face it they're gonna lose games, and lots of them. Back to back wins and you're back in the mix. We've given up way too early.
Absolutely. I am sick of the excuses, we simply have not been prepared to do what is necessary to attract players and have given up.
Sunderland have given themselves a chance by bringing some fresh players in, so have Newcastle, Swansea and Norwich.
It isn't like only one team is going down, three clubs are, which makes that lot just as risky a proposition as we are to potential new signings. Those clubs have weighed up the risks and either taken them, or mitigated them. I don't believe that Norwich or Swansea will have done any deal that is going to cripple them on relegation, they are well run clubs. We could have done the same or more, we are bigger with more revenue and more chance of coming back up.
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So rumours of a late transfer market raid are wide of the mark then?
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I see Vidic has called time on his playing career, so that's one injury prone defender we wont be signing to replace another injury prone defender in Senderdross.
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Teams are in and around the relegation zone for one reason only and it's because they're shit, so let's face it they're gonna lose games, and lots of them. Back to back wins and you're back in the mix. We've given up way too early.
Absolutely. I am sick of the excuses, we simply have not been prepared to do what is necessary to attract players and have given up.
Sunderland have given themselves a chance by bringing some fresh players in, so have Newcastle, Swansea and Norwich.
It isn't like only one team is going down, three clubs are, which makes that lot just as risky a proposition as we are to potential new signings. Those clubs have weighed up the risks and either taken them, or mitigated them. I don't believe that Norwich or Swansea will have done any deal that is going to cripple them on relegation, they are well run clubs. We could have done the same or more, we are bigger with more revenue and more chance of coming back up.
I'd say the difference between a 10 point gap and a 4 point gap changes the situation for both clubs and players completely. Those clubs are taking a calculated risk, on the other hand we could be committing financial suicide. All those clubs are 50/50 bets to stay up, what would you give us 90/10 if that.
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I think Sunderland's spending is miscalculated and that they'll struggle with their wages in the Championship.
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I would be trying to get rid of players that do not figure in the future, now. It might be easier to shift them now when some team might be desperate. If they are not getting into the team we may as well use U21 players as cover.
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I'd say the difference between a 10 point gap and a 4 point gap changes the situation for both clubs and players completely. Those clubs are taking a calculated risk, on the other hand we could be committing financial suicide. All those clubs are 50/50 bets to stay up, what would you give us 90/10 if that.
I'd say (with the right couple of signings) we could have been 40:60, which isn't much worse. Lets say we had signed Austin (yes it probably wasn't possible), a good Keeper, and a a gutsy midfielder early in the window then we would likely be four points closer already and in a far better position to catch up.
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I see Vidic has called time on his playing career, so that's one injury prone defender we wont be signing to replace another injury prone defender in Senderdross.
He probably took that decision as soon as he saw his name linked with us
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Teams are in and around the relegation zone for one reason only and it's because they're shit, so let's face it they're gonna lose games, and lots of them. Back to back wins and you're back in the mix. We've given up way too early.
Absolutely. I am sick of the excuses, we simply have not been prepared to do what is necessary to attract players and have given up.
Sunderland have given themselves a chance by bringing some fresh players in, so have Newcastle, Swansea and Norwich.
It isn't like only one team is going down, three clubs are, which makes that lot just as risky a proposition as we are to potential new signings. Those clubs have weighed up the risks and either taken them, or mitigated them. I don't believe that Norwich or Swansea will have done any deal that is going to cripple them on relegation, they are well run clubs. We could have done the same or more, we are bigger with more revenue and more chance of coming back up.
I'd say the difference between a 10 point gap and a 4 point gap changes the situation for both clubs and players completely. Those clubs are taking a calculated risk, on the other hand we could be committing financial suicide. All those clubs are 50/50 bets to stay up, what would you give us 90/10 if that.
Can't we get players on loan who return to their parent club at end of the season?
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I think Sunderland's spending is miscalculated and that they'll struggle with their wages in the Championship.
Do you not think they'd have relegation clauses in there?
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Besides doing nothing is far more of a risk than buying sensibly now. Meekly accepting a definite £100 million drop in income, without even attempting to sort it out, or even get closer to competitive for next season is pretty bloody risky and stupid.
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Besides doing nothing is far more of a risk than buying sensibly now. Meekly accepting a definite £100 million drop in income, without even attempting to sort it out, or even get closer to competitive for next season is pretty bloody risky and stupid.
And irrespective of all the money we'd lose (which is bad enough) they seem not to be particularly bothered about the shame of relegation for a club as big as Aston Villa. Where's the pride in the club?
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I think Sunderland's spending is miscalculated and that they'll struggle with their wages in the Championship.
Do you not think they'd have relegation clauses in there?
Yes and no.I think when you're in a mire like we are and also Sunderland, that players are more likely to have the whip card. It may well be that they negotiate lower buyouts for example, as they'll get paid the balance of their contract in full if they're moved on in the summer.
Parasitic agents will be trying to make hay at the clubs expense.
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I think Sunderland's spending is miscalculated and that they'll struggle with their wages in the Championship.
And be subject to a transfer embargo sooner rather than later
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Teams are in and around the relegation zone for one reason only and it's because they're shit, so let's face it they're gonna lose games, and lots of them. Back to back wins and you're back in the mix. We've given up way too early.
Absolutely. I am sick of the excuses, we simply have not been prepared to do what is necessary to attract players and have given up.
Sunderland have given themselves a chance by bringing some fresh players in, so have Newcastle, Swansea and Norwich.
It isn't like only one team is going down, three clubs are, which makes that lot just as risky a proposition as we are to potential new signings. Those clubs have weighed up the risks and either taken them, or mitigated them. I don't believe that Norwich or Swansea will have done any deal that is going to cripple them on relegation, they are well run clubs. We could have done the same or more, we are bigger with more revenue and more chance of coming back up.
I'd say the difference between a 10 point gap and a 4 point gap changes the situation for both clubs and players completely. Those clubs are taking a calculated risk, on the other hand we could be committing financial suicide. All those clubs are 50/50 bets to stay up, what would you give us 90/10 if that.
Can't we get players on loan who return to their parent club at end of the season?
If they want to come and are within the allocated budget, Yes.
If not then, No.
Debuchy looked like he was may be coming but may not now. It may be that Arsenal are hanging on until Sunday to make a decision.
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I think Sunderland's spending is miscalculated and that they'll struggle with their wages in the Championship.
Do you not think they'd have relegation clauses in there?
Like ourselves some will, probably the recent signings, and some won't.
E.g. in our case Gabby doesn't have one so he can continue to morph into Jabba whilst gleaning 3m a year of us.
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I also get the impression that Ellis Short is about as useful as Lerner at running a club.
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I'm a little surprised no-one has come in (as yet) but at the same time, bearing in mind where we are, I'm not. Garde did say it was likely to be a last minute job, so we'll have to wait and see.
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I think Sunderland's spending is miscalculated and that they'll struggle with their wages in the Championship.
Do you not think they'd have relegation clauses in there?
Like ourselves some will, probably the recent signings, and some won't.
E.g. in our case Gabby doesn't have one so he can continue to morph into Jabba whilst gleaning 3m a year of us.
I bet he will have one.
His most recent contract was September 2014, I'd be very surprised if we didn't include provisions on which league we were in.
Undoubtedly we wouldn't have bothered for his earlier contracts.
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It should be standard practice for relegation release clauses to be present. All Arsenal contracts include one, despite there being virtually no chance of it ever happening.
I know they're in a slightly stronger bargaining position but it highlights the irresponsibility of boards across football that clubs at serious risk of relegation don't always include them. No wonder we have Leeds and Bolton situations.
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It should be standard practice for relegation release clauses to be present. All Arsenal contracts include one, despite there being virtually no chance of it ever happening.
It should be, and I'm pretty certain that it is now.
I bet that no contract we offered anybody in the O'Neill days had one in though.
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I also get the impression that Ellis Short is about as useful as Lerner at running a club.
Similar number of average / overrated / inappropriate managers, similar number of overpaid overrated British players paying far too much in transfers. No strategy jumping from one approach to another.
Yep I think we have had a lot in common with Sunderland this decade.
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I think Sunderland's spending is miscalculated and that they'll struggle with their wages in the Championship.
Do you not think they'd have relegation clauses in there?
Like ourselves some will, probably the recent signings, and some won't.
E.g. in our case Gabby doesn't have one so he can continue to morph into Jabba whilst gleaning 3m a year of us.
I bet he will have one.
His most recent contract was September 2014, I'd be very surprised if we didn't include provisions on which league we were in.
Undoubtedly we wouldn't have bothered for his earlier contracts.
I'm not sure as this was at the time they handed a new 4 year contract to Mr Mumbles.
I hope you're right - well actually I hope it a 95% write down in his case. He'd still be paid 150k per year too much.
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I'm a little surprised no-one has come in (as yet) but at the same time, bearing in mind where we are, I'm not. Garde did say it was likely to be a last minute job, so we'll have to wait and see.
You should definitely be a politician ;D
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Nothing on Kalinic either. The Santos link had gone quiet even at 300k. Vidic has taken retirement. Fox et al are sitting in a bunker somewhere oblivious to it all.
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Great, which means we'll be trying another complete overhaul of the squad this summer rather than trying to start it now.
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I think Sunderland's spending is miscalculated and that they'll struggle with their wages in the Championship.
And be subject to a transfer embargo sooner rather than later
Whereas we'll avoid a transfer embargo by erm... imposing one on ourselves.
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I'm not surprised we're struggling to bring anyone in. I haven't given up on us yet but if I look at it realistically and from the outside like a player/agent etc will be, we're in a really shit position and most will think we're gone.
There's 45 points to play for, we need 10 of them just to catch up. When you look at a side that have won 2 out of 23 games, it's not looking too likely. Which is what players will be thinking, it must be very hard to get a player to come when there is a strong chance that in a few months their wages will be slashed. How many here would move jobs knowing that their wages at the new job could, and probably will, be halved in 4 months or so?
McGrath it's an utterly shit situation we've gotten ourselves into.
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Any player with ambition is going to be reluctant to sign for us and past mistakes mean that we are not going to pay over the odds for those looking for one last pay day. So we are looking at potential or loans.
It's probably the sensible approach for the long term but a depressing one for the here and now.
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Any player with ambition is going to be reluctant to sign for us and past mistakes mean that we are not going to pay over the odds for those looking for one last pay day. So we are looking at potential or loans.
It's probably the sensible approach for the long term but a depressing one for the here and now.
Oh I don't know. Benteke on loan until the end of the season would leave me pleased as punch.
It won't happen, but it'd have been nice.
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Great, which means we'll be trying another complete overhaul of the squad this summer rather than trying to start it now.
Yep, we are going to need another 10 out 10 in kind of thing, which we found very difficult this summer but hopefully we try to intergrate the new signings next time rather than create a them and us.
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Great, which means we'll be trying another complete overhaul of the squad this summer rather than trying to start it now.
Yep, we are going to need another 10 out 10 in kind of thing, which we found very difficult this summer but hopefully we try to intergrate the new signings next time rather than create a them and us.
Which ten do you expect to leave?
Presumably the whole first team, as I'm not sure we need to worry about replacing the impact that the likes of N'Zogbia and Richardson currently have on our performances.
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And it's worth remembering that players a lot of us don't rate like Cissokho, Hutton, Westwood, Gestede etc will be fine at that level. A lot think Gestede is our worst player, a lot will also say that a big reason Newcastle strolled the division last time they were down was because of Carroll. Gestede scored more goals last season for a mid table Championship side than Carroll did for a side that pissed the league racking up over 100 points.
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I'm all in favour of the club keeping their financial powder dry during this window - as long as we get to fire a ****ING BIG GUN - during the summer.
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And it's worth remembering that players a lot of us don't rate like Cissokho, Hutton, Westwood, Gestede etc will be fine at that level. A lot think Gestede is our worst player, a lot will also say that a big reason Newcastle strolled the division last time they were down was because of Carroll. Gestede scored more goals last season for a mid table Championship side than Carroll did for a side that pissed the league racking up over 100 points.
Blitz the Championship, sell Gestede to Liverpool for £35m. Sorted.
*nods*
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Or we'll just swap him for Benteke.
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Those results over Christmas have really fucked up this window. If we had a win or two things would look a bit more positive. The board have given up.
The Sunderland and Norwich games killed us. Totally. Defensive Fuck Up after Fuck Up after Fuck Up.
and the Kevin Mac team sheet
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Great, which means we'll be trying another complete overhaul of the squad this summer rather than trying to start it now.
Yep, we are going to need another 10 out 10 in kind of thing, which we found very difficult this summer but hopefully we try to intergrate the new signings next time rather than create a them and us.
Which ten do you expect to leave?
Presumably the whole first team, as I'm not sure we need to worry about replacing the impact that the likes of N'Zogbia and Richardson currently have on our performances.
I don't expect many to leave at all to be honest, I'm expecting us to cling to most of our tat on the assumption that they will do a great job in the Championship.
Personally I'd want
Westwood
Bacuna
Richardson
Sanchez
Agbonlahor
Clark or Baker
Kinsella
Kozak or Gestede
Nzogbia, I know he's out of contract
Bennett, out of contract possibly?
Crespo
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Richardson is out of contract in the summer.
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Great, which means we'll be trying another complete overhaul of the squad this summer rather than trying to start it now.
Yep, we are going to need another 10 out 10 in kind of thing, which we found very difficult this summer but hopefully we try to intergrate the new signings next time rather than create a them and us.
Which ten do you expect to leave?
Presumably the whole first team, as I'm not sure we need to worry about replacing the impact that the likes of N'Zogbia and Richardson currently have on our performances.
I don't expect many to leave at all to be honest, I'm expecting us to cling to most of our tat on the assumption that they will do a great job in the Championship.
Personally I'd want
Westwood
Bacuna
Richardson
Sanchez
Agbonlahor
Clark or Baker
Kinsella
Kozak or Gestede
Nzogbia, I know he's out of contract
Bennett, out of contract possibly?
Crespo
Perhaps it is my skim reading. Is that your keep or lose list?
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Great, which means we'll be trying another complete overhaul of the squad this summer rather than trying to start it now.
Yep, we are going to need another 10 out 10 in kind of thing, which we found very difficult this summer but hopefully we try to intergrate the new signings next time rather than create a them and us.
Which ten do you expect to leave?
Presumably the whole first team, as I'm not sure we need to worry about replacing the impact that the likes of N'Zogbia and Richardson currently have on our performances.
I don't expect many to leave at all to be honest, I'm expecting us to cling to most of our tat on the assumption that they will do a great job in the Championship.
Personally I'd want
Westwood
Bacuna
Richardson
Sanchez
Agbonlahor
Clark or Baker
Kinsella
Kozak or Gestede
Nzogbia, I know he's out of contract
Bennett, out of contract possibly?
Crespo
Perhaps it is my skim reading. Is that your keep or lose list?
He can have 'em
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Great, which means we'll be trying another complete overhaul of the squad this summer rather than trying to start it now.
Yep, we are going to need another 10 out 10 in kind of thing, which we found very difficult this summer but hopefully we try to intergrate the new signings next time rather than create a them and us.
Which ten do you expect to leave?
Presumably the whole first team, as I'm not sure we need to worry about replacing the impact that the likes of N'Zogbia and Richardson currently have on our performances.
I don't expect many to leave at all to be honest, I'm expecting us to cling to most of our tat on the assumption that they will do a great job in the Championship.
Personally I'd want
Westwood
Bacuna
Richardson
Sanchez
Agbonlahor
Clark or Baker
Kinsella
Kozak or Gestede
Nzogbia, I know he's out of contract
Bennett, out of contract possibly?
Crespo
Perhaps it is my skim reading. Is that your keep or lose list?
Dump list. You can add Richards to it too.
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Great, which means we'll be trying another complete overhaul of the squad this summer rather than trying to start it now.
Yep, we are going to need another 10 out 10 in kind of thing, which we found very difficult this summer but hopefully we try to intergrate the new signings next time rather than create a them and us.
Which ten do you expect to leave?
Presumably the whole first team, as I'm not sure we need to worry about replacing the impact that the likes of N'Zogbia and Richardson currently have on our performances.
I don't expect many to leave at all to be honest, I'm expecting us to cling to most of our tat on the assumption that they will do a great job in the Championship.
Personally I'd want
Westwood
Bacuna
Richardson
Sanchez
Agbonlahor
Clark or Baker
Kinsella
Kozak or Gestede
Nzogbia, I know he's out of contract
Bennett, out of contract possibly?
Crespo
Perhaps it is my skim reading. Is that your keep or lose list?
He can have 'em
I'm available to help drive them wherever he wants them - as long as it's far away from B6 or Bodymoor
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I'd keep Westwood, Gabby, Clark, Baker, and Gestede from that list.
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Great, which means we'll be trying another complete overhaul of the squad this summer rather than trying to start it now.
Yep, we are going to need another 10 out 10 in kind of thing, which we found very difficult this summer but hopefully we try to intergrate the new signings next time rather than create a them and us.
Which ten do you expect to leave?
Presumably the whole first team, as I'm not sure we need to worry about replacing the impact that the likes of N'Zogbia and Richardson currently have on our performances.
I don't expect many to leave at all to be honest, I'm expecting us to cling to most of our tat on the assumption that they will do a great job in the Championship.
Personally I'd want
Westwood
Bacuna
Richardson
Sanchez
Agbonlahor
Clark or Baker
Kinsella
Kozak or Gestede
Nzogbia, I know he's out of contract
Bennett, out of contract possibly?
Crespo
Perhaps it is my skim reading. Is that your keep or lose list?
Dump list. You can add Richards to it too.
Ok, so from that we're left with Guzan, Bunn, Hutton, Okore one of Clark or Baker, Lescott, Amavi, Cissokho, Veretout, Gana, Gardner, Gil, Grealish, Sinclair, Adama, Ayew and one of Kozak and Gestede.
So two keepers, a right back, three centre-backs, two left-backs, three central midfielders, two central attacking midfielders, three wide attacking midfielders and one striker.
That's hardly a "add ten players to it/start all over again" situation is it? It would need at least one striker, preferably two, another centre-back, another central midfielder and a better right-back than Hutton.
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Bacuna, Sanchez, Westwood, the two strikers.....I could go on. All would be decent at that level.
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Guzan can go too whilst he's still worth a quid or two. That's a solid 16 players I think are worth keeping, we may lose one or two of the better ones, hopefully not. Still a lot of holes to fill. I'd rather we took care of a few of them now then have the same excuse at the start of the season of bedding players in and so and so hasn't had a full pre season, the best is yet to come. I've heard it all now and it doesn't wash anymore.
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Bacuna, Sanchez, Westwood, the two strikers.....I could go on. All would be decent at that level.
I've seen nothing from Westwood or Bacuna over the past few years that makes me think they can do a job for us. Very light weight players with poor technique. Sanchez, he's a mystery to me, but for every 1 game where he looks capable he follows it with 10 where he can't pass wind. The two Strikers, let's just say you have a lot more faith in this set of losers than I do. Gestede had 1 good season in his career and we fell for it. Kozak, never been sold on him, he looks a hard trying donkey to me.
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Leicester trying to sign Loic Remy for £12m apparantly. He'd be a good buy for them. Never forget when we were 3rd/4th in the league in January 09 and had our chance to capitalise and push on we signed...Emile Heskey.
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Guzan can go too whilst he's still worth a quid or two. That's a solid 16 players I think are worth keeping, we may lose one or two of the better ones, hopefully not. Still a lot of holes to fill.
Yeah, probably around four or five.
Not ten new players.
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I would say if we keep all the players we should want to keep and get rid of those who should be gone we need -
- a goalkeeper
- a right back
- a centre half
- two midfielders
- a winger
- a striker
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The problem with the other relegation candidates strengthening their squads is that it will make them tougher opponents for the Championship, so all this talk of keeping the powder dry is nonsense. Arguable that said relegation candidates have a better chance of staying up than Villa so are currently in a better position to buy than us, therefore, we lose out twice. Start signing Villa as it might be our best chance of coming straight back.
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There's a massive difference between a player not being good enough for a top half PL side, and not being good enough for the Championship. Look at the sides near the top of the table, Hull are shit. And yet they are top. Abel Hernandez is ripping up that division, he was wank in the PL, worse goal ratio than Gestede is managing for us.
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I think Sunderland's spending is miscalculated and that they'll struggle with their wages in the Championship.
Do you not think they'd have relegation clauses in there?
Relegation clauses in prevailing conditions are usually in players favour. The relegation clause in now a norm in contract agreed in non distress signings but not where clubs are desperate.
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Bacuna, Sanchez, Westwood, the two strikers.....I could go on. All would be decent at that level.
I've seen nothing from Westwood or Bacuna over the past few years that makes me think they can do a job for us. Very light weight players with poor technique. Sanchez, he's a mystery to me, but for every 1 game where he looks capable he follows it with 10 where he can't pass wind. The two Strikers, let's just say you have a lot more faith in this set of losers than I do. Gestede had 1 good season in his career and we fell for it. Kozak, never been sold on him, he looks a hard trying donkey to me.
I think Bacuna and Westwood will be OK squad players if we are in the Championship, just playing the odd game here and there. I expect all those out of contract will go on a free in the summer and the only players I think we have a realistic chance of selling are:
Guzan - should be takers in America
Richards - could see clubs being interested in him
Baker - Bristol City might want him after he's been there all season
Sanchez - were rumours of him going back to South America
Sinclair - still rumours that Swansea want him in this window
Ayew - unfortunately will be in demand and we'll probably sell for the right price
I would like to see Agbonlahor added to that list, but don't hold out much hope of that happening. Apart from Ayew, I wouldn't be too disappointed to see any of the above go. I think that would leave us needing a first choice GK, RB, CM and Striker, and back up options at CB and a wide option.
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Leicester trying to sign Loic Remy for £12m apparantly. He'd be a good buy for them. Never forget when we were 3rd/4th in the league in January 09 and had our chance to capitalise and push on we signed...Emile Heskey.
That's not going to work for them and possibly disrupt them.
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There's a massive difference between a player not being good enough for a top half PL side, and not being good enough for the Championship. Look at the sides near the top of the table, Hull are shit. And yet they are top. Abel Hernandez is ripping up that division, he was wank in the PL, worse goal ratio than Gestede is managing for us.
Spot on, I keep thinking this is something people overlook when talking about who to keep when we go down.
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And if they are getting used to Garde's way of playing then there's no reason why they cannot continue to improve. Especially at a lower level. And we can all see with Leicester that with a bit of confidence that winning brings to a club how much better players can start to be.
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Bacuna, Sanchez, Westwood, the two strikers.....I could go on. All would be decent at that level.
I've seen nothing from Westwood or Bacuna over the past few years that makes me think they can do a job for us. Very light weight players with poor technique. Sanchez, he's a mystery to me, but for every 1 game where he looks capable he follows it with 10 where he can't pass wind. The two Strikers, let's just say you have a lot more faith in this set of losers than I do. Gestede had 1 good season in his career and we fell for it. Kozak, never been sold on him, he looks a hard trying donkey to me.
I think Bacuna and Westwood will be OK squad players if we are in the Championship, just playing the odd game here and there. I expect all those out of contract will go on a free in the summer and the only players I think we have a realistic chance of selling are:
Guzan - should be takers in America
Richards - could see clubs being interested in him
Baker - Bristol City might want him after he's been there all season
Sanchez - were rumours of him going back to South America
Sinclair - still rumours that Swansea want him in this window
Ayew - unfortunately will be in demand and we'll probably sell for the right price
I would like to see Agbonlahor added to that list, but don't hold out much hope of that happening. Apart from Ayew, I wouldn't be too disappointed to see any of the above go. I think that would leave us needing a first choice GK, RB, CM and Striker, and back up options at CB and a wide option.
I think Richards could be hard to shift, we gave that clown a ridiculous contract at the start of the season.
Bacuna and Westwood will be fine in the second division not as regulars.
Our lot need to be well up for matching opponents physically over a long season on shit pitches with shit referees. The additional quality should stand out then but if we start feeling sorry for ourselves or arent a united camp off it, then we will struggle.
Would love to see us bring back someone like Gareth Barry as captain, 35 next month but still one of the best midfielders in the league imo.
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There's a massive difference between a player not being good enough for a top half PL side, and not being good enough for the Championship. Look at the sides near the top of the table, Hull are shit. And yet they are top. Abel Hernandez is ripping up that division, he was wank in the PL, worse goal ratio than Gestede is managing for us.
Spot on, I keep thinking this is something people overlook when talking about who to keep when we go down.
I may be getting boring but we are not down yet, not by a lot of miles
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A new keeper, right sided centre half, preferably a brute as back up for Okore. A better attacking full back than Hutton, I won't say defensive as it goes without saying.
A physical and preferably quick defensive midfielder to replace Sanchez, with another box to box athletic type to share the load with Veretout and Gana, make it two if the latter goes.
A left winger and a mobile striker and we're promoted before you've watched Ben Hurr and eaten too many creme eggs.
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What a joke.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lovre-kalinic-aston-villas-transfer-10809944
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When you look at players that have got permits even within this window you have to have sympathy with Villa.
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We're being stitched up.
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We are. It's a piss take.
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There's a massive difference between a player not being good enough for a top half PL side, and not being good enough for the Championship. Look at the sides near the top of the table, Hull are shit. And yet they are top. Abel Hernandez is ripping up that division, he was wank in the PL, worse goal ratio than Gestede is managing for us.
Spot on, I keep thinking this is something people overlook when talking about who to keep when we go down.
And yes it was the Cup but that The Shit are top 8 shows how crap that division must be. They were shite at ours.
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What a joke.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lovre-kalinic-aston-villas-transfer-10809944
We have been shit this season, but the bad luck , shit referees , injuries, overweight linesmen , stuff like this work permit is the fly on a steaming dog turd.If we are in the Championship next year , we should get more than enough luck to win promotion and a cup.
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Premier league clubs never get rejected for work permits.
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We seem a very easy and convenient target to apply the letter of every law to at the moment. Don't be surprised if our keeper get's done for holding the ball for too long before the season ends either.
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We're being stitched up.
Any Noses or Bitters work at the FA?
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Jordan Rhodes for Boro.No recreating the GR dream team then.
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Premier league clubs never get rejected for work permits.
Haven't Arsenal and Liverpool just got them for players who have never played internationals and are further out of the EU than member state Croatia?
Can we not find an Italian grandfather like Arsenal seemed to with half their signings from non EU countries.
Leicester got one for Amartey didn't they. I think a law that has been bent or stretched many, many times for others, has been applied like a vice here. I feel sorry for Garde.
I bet he gets a permit in the summer for another side in the Prem and ends up being one of the best in the league too. It is our bloody luck.
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I also really hope we have another target.
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Premier league clubs never get rejected for work permits.
So irritating.
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Meh. A twice-capped Croatian keeper. Double meh.
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Meh. A twice-capped Croatian keeper. Double meh.
Trying to do things on the cheap. That's why we're bottom of the bloody league in the first place!
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wise words
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I'm losing the will to live. Can someone wake me up from this shitfest in July 2017 when we are joint top of the PL?
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I think it's called INERTIA
The promises of Fox, allegedly verbatim from Lerner, have proved like blowing dandelions.
Lost in the wind of sycophantic and patronising twaddle.
We had 2 main courses to go, we've done neither.
1) Prepare for the inevitable future
2) Get high-priced mercenaries that deliver
Inertia and discord already in the 'pretend' boardroom.
Jesus Wept.
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Premier league clubs never get rejected for work permits.
Haven't Arsenal and Liverpool just got them for players who have never played internationals and are further out of the EU than member state Croatia?
Can we not find an Italian grandfather like Arsenal seemed to with half their signings from non EU countries.
Leicester got one for Amartey didn't they. I think a law that has been bent or stretched many, many times for others, has been applied like a vice here. I feel sorry for Garde.
I bet he gets a permit in the summer for another side in the Prem and ends up being one of the best in the league too. It is our bloody luck.
I'm guessing this is one of the many reasons why having someone with football industry experience and a reputation in the administrative side of the game would be a huge help to the Club.
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Premier league clubs never get rejected for work permits.
Campbell ~ Arsenal - rejected ~ sent on loan abroad to qualify
Newcastle ~ under Pardew's reign ~ 2 players rejected...can't spell their names and don't even know if they ever came back
Reading, Watford, etc have all had to do the Arsenal 'trick' of loaning out rejected players who have had failed work permits.
All Prem clubs at the time.
Possibly more, but who cares ??
Please do facts and not patronising us fans.
:-*
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It will be a couple in by deadline, don't worry folks. Players/agents/club are keeping options open til deadline or til someone shows their hand.
Won't keep us up but will make it more interesting for a while.
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It will be a couple in by deadline, don't worry folks. Players/agents/club are keeping options open til deadline or til someone shows their hand.
Won't keep us up but will make it more interesting for a while.
Jeez man.... are you real ?
The tail end of ANY transfer window is the result of desperation for 3/4th choices.
Getting anyone in scenario ~~~ which, thank God is not Remi.
He was promised, publicly, support for his targets in this window.
Fox did a blurb about how Lerner was on-the-ball and financially supportive of Remi's hopes... blah blah...
Loads of rumours and "agent-sponsored" media talk...all through the window...but NOTHING.
This last week is the real end of any transfers...nothing outside the "Super Clubs" is going to happen at our level.
Maybe a Championship side gets a Prem Reserve player on Jim White's SKY countdown.
WE...well, we will get nothing.
Remi is hung out to dry imo, and he will become a brilliant manager in a tomorrow.
But not with this Owner and his confused Board appointments.
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Seriously mate, can you just post normally without all the dots and squiggles?
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I will try to be vague....
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It MAY have happened~~~ that there was a serious argument between Fox and Hollis
Verbal abuse and broken cups picked up later.
Wasn't about the team, was about Hollis asking....then ordering Fox out of his
" office," and "Perk-Box".
Don't know what happened after that row and don't know what "box" Fox had as a 'perk'
Brilliant new Board though ;D ;D ....and I may have sacked an employee....to do this post...but she goes back to Uni in Feb~~ and is a Gooner anyway ;D
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Bit early to be on the wacky backy
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I will try to be vague....
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It MAY have happened~~~ that there was a serious argument between Fox and Hollis
Verbal abuse and broken cups picked up later.
Wasn't about the team, was about Hollis asking....then ordering Fox out of his
" office," and "Perk-Box".
Don't know what happened after that row and don't know what "box" Fox had as a 'perk'
Brilliant new Board though ;D ;D ....and I may have sacked an employee....to do this post...but she goes back to Uni in Feb~~ and is a Gooner anyway ;D
So in the unlikely event that anybody from the club is reading this and the even more unlikely event that they can actually understand what you are saying due to your horrendous use of English - you've decided to not only pass something on that you think might get somebody sacked, but in quantifying that you've decided to list various clues as to precisely who that person might be.
Top work.
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Seriously mate, can you just post normally without all the dots and squiggles?
And he could post something which is not utterly ridiculous while he's at it.
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I think it's called INERTIA
There's no way he'd come to us. Top, top player and still getting a regular game for both Barca and Spain.
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It will be a couple in by deadline, don't worry folks. Players/agents/club are keeping options open til deadline or til someone shows their hand.
Won't keep us up but will make it more interesting for a while.
Jeez man.... are you real ?
The tail end of ANY transfer window is the result of desperation for 3/4th choices.
Getting anyone in scenario ~~~ which, thank God is not Remi.
He was promised, publicly, support for his targets in this window.
Fox did a blurb about how Lerner was on-the-ball and financially supportive of Remi's hopes... blah blah...
Loads of rumours and "agent-sponsored" media talk...all through the window...but NOTHING.
This last week is the real end of any transfers...nothing outside the "Super Clubs" is going to happen at our level.
Maybe a Championship side gets a Prem Reserve player on Jim White's SKY countdown.
WE...well, we will get nothing.
Remi is hung out to dry imo, and he will become a brilliant manager in a tomorrow.
But not with this Owner and his confused Board appointments.
Yes last time I checked, I am not a bot-net or android. ;-)
There were 27 or so deals done on deadline day (including a couple for us)in the prem last summer.
We will sign a couple, I'm sure.
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Premier league clubs never get rejected for work permits.
Campbell ~ Arsenal - rejected ~ sent on loan abroad to qualify
Newcastle ~ under Pardew's reign ~ 2 players rejected...can't spell their names and don't even know if they ever came back
Reading, Watford, etc have all had to do the Arsenal 'trick' of loaning out rejected players who have had failed work permits.
All Prem clubs at the time.
Possibly more, but who cares ??
Please do facts and not patronising us fans.
:-*
I'm not sure how what I said, which was a statement of frustration, is patronising any fans.
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I think it's called INERTIA
There's no way he'd come to us. Top, top player and still getting a regular game for both Barca and Spain.
Rarely gets caught out of position.
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I think it's called INERTIA
There's no way he'd come to us. Top, top player and still getting a regular game for both Barca and Spain.
Rarely gets caught out of position.
Don't sign him he's an idle bugger.
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Liam Ridgewells fantasy 11 today on sky
8 ex villa players in it including himself !
5 of them still playing
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Any chance we can make ~~~~ ...... and ,,,,,,, all available on a free transfer?
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So is this Doumbia any good? We seem to be linked with a loan.
No links to anyone in midfield, Debuchy may prefer Sunderland, and it seems we had no other options in goal - not the most exciting january window.
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I will try to be vague....
.......................
It MAY have happened~~~ that there was a serious argument between Fox and Hollis
Verbal abuse and broken cups picked up later.
Wasn't about the team, was about Hollis asking....then ordering Fox out of his
" office," and "Perk-Box".
Don't know what happened after that row and don't know what "box" Fox had as a 'perk'
Brilliant new Board though ;D ;D ....and I may have sacked an employee....to do this post...but she goes back to Uni in Feb~~ and is a Gooner anyway ;D
So in the unlikely event that anybody from the club is reading this and the even more unlikely event that they can actually understand what you are saying due to your horrendous use of English - you've decided to not only pass something on that you think might get somebody sacked, but in quantifying that you've decided to list various clues as to precisely who that person might be.
Top work.
Quite generous of him not to just put it in Golden Muppets although he isn't one, not a golden one, anyway.
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Anyone else find it refreshing that there appear to be less transfers this window?
I hope that means that the culture of the PL is changing and coaching/building is becoming more the norm rather than simply trying to buy success.
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Anyone else find it refreshing that there appear to be less transfers this window?
I hope that means that the culture of the PL is changing and coaching/building is becoming more the norm rather than simply trying to buy success.
I'd be thrilled, were it not for the fact we urgently need loads of better players.
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I wonder whether with Dubuchy we are playing 'hard ball' and refusing to pay the reported £1m loan fee and all of his £60k a week wages. This may go to the wire until one side backs down. The closer it gets to the wire, the more the player will crank up the pressure to get away.
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I'm not surprised that we've been rejected a work permit for a player who only has two caps, to be honest.
I'll be even less surprised when it turns out we have no plan B, like we didn't after our laughable courting of Begovic failed to come to anything.
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I'm not surprised that we've been rejected a work permit for a player who only has two caps, to be honest.
I'll be even less surprised when it turns out we have no plan B, like we didn't after our laughable courting of Begovic failed to come to anything.
The position of goalkeeper is usually a long-term position and scouting takes time and also requires availability. With Bunn not looking like an accident waiting to happen (that's it, I have done it now, saying that!), Garde may not be rushing into an alternative. Also, I think this guy was his second choice so he might be holding out to the summer to give himself more time.
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What a joke.
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/lovre-kalinic-aston-villas-transfer-10809944
1. Why is it The FA issuing the work permit according to the report? Shouldn't it be the immigration service or Borders Agency or whatever they're called these days?
2. Why is Kendrick always in his car to do his little piece to camera sessions these days? Does he know that any points he gets for driving without due care and attention won't count to our tally at season's end?
3. How much has Randy had to bribe the FA TO ensure we don't spend any money? I'm assuming that's what's happened as that is his sole intention this window isn't it?
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Just heard that Reilly has contacted Grasshoppers of Zurich about the availability of their central defender Senderos........lol.
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Any chance we can make ~~~~ ...... and ,,,,,,, all available on a free transfer?
Can I quote you on that?
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Doumbia linked. Would be a good loan. At least he is quick. Won't come though!
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Everton are looking to offload both Darron Gibson and Aiden McGeady on loan. Surely to Christ they would add something?
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They'd add a bit of experience to our reserve team. They're shite.
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They'd add a bit of experience to our reserve team. They're shite.
Yeah, you're right. I was even doubting myself while writing it.
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I'd probably take McGeady. Bit of pace on the opposite side to Ayew when Gil isn't coming off. Has to be better than Sinclair.
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I think at this stage Gibson and mcgeady wouldn't be too bad, at least they are a couple of fresh faces at least.
Doumbia would be a good one on loan but doubt he will come.
I see Rhodes is off to boro for £9 million, sounds about the right price for a player of his age and calibre (McCormack went for 11 mil didn't he a couple of seasons ago, so Rhodes seems cheap in comparison) wouldn't have minded him as a signing.
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Agreed. Not the best but worth taking on loan as an option going forward.
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I'd probably take McGeady. Bit of pace on the opposite side to Ayew when Gil isn't coming off. Has to be better than Sinclair.
McGeady has no real pace, similar to Sinclair in that regard and a bit work shy to boot.
Can dig out a cross every now and again so might get the odd assist for JustHead
couldnt be any worse than Sinclair
Gibson is as slow as a mule but would add some options in the middle where we are very light currently
the dregs of the bargain basement those two
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Sounds like Debuchy is a done deal according to the Express and other media.
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I'd probably take McGeady. Bit of pace on the opposite side to Ayew when Gil isn't coming off. Has to be better than Sinclair.
McGeady has no real pace, similar to Sinclair in that regard and a bit work shy to boot.
Can dig out a cross every now and again so might get the odd assist for JustHead
couldnt be any worse than Sinclair
Gibson is as slow as a mule but would add some options in the middle where we are very light currently
the dregs of the bargain basement those two
There's absolutely no point buying people who are 'no worse than Sinclair' or 'as slow as a mule but would add an option'. If we're going to buy anyone this window, it needs to be first team quality or nothing. We've wasted enough money on shite already.
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Sounds like Debuchy is a done deal according to the Express and other media.
Presumably then he had no other offers then as he could have signed 3 weeks ago if he had wanted to come here!
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Sounds like Debuchy is a done deal according to the Express and other media.
It's something I suppose but would rather prioritize other positions. I guess we're trying though and beggars can't be choosers. Doumbia being linked elsewhere I read. Go get Jedinak or Inler too please.
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Sounds like Debuchy is a done deal according to the Express and other media.
It's something I suppose but would rather prioritize other positions. I guess we're trying though and beggars can't be choosers. Doumbia being linked elsewhere I read. Go get Jedinak or Inler too please.
Having at least one decent fullback would make a big difference to the team, I think. That said you're right that a striker has to be the priority, followed by a keeper.
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Sounds like Bacuna is having a nightmare today. Richards is about as bothered about playing for Villa as I am for Blues, and Hutton is shit. So Debuchy would be a good signing.
The rest of the side is shite still
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How about the Aston Villa board get their arses in gear and just fucking do something and stop acting acting like their running an amateur club. Football is massive business but we show less business sense than a kid selling lemonade outside their house.
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Bacunas a fucking donkey with the back bone of a sperm. He shouldn't be anywhere near a premier league team. He'll look shite in the Championship too next season. He can't defend, can't control a ball, is physically small and weak and has no brain. He has no set position because he's crap in them all. Having him around as a squad player is useless because it's almost having 10 players on the pitch. I'd rather we give his squad position to a youth graduate if we are going to fuck around and spend bugger all again. This has been an appalling transfer window again. In fact we haven't done any decent business for years now and we're in the shit up to our eyeballs.
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Sounds like Bacuna is having a nightmare today. Richards is about as bothered about playing for Villa as I am for Blues, and Hutton is shit. So Debuchy would be a good signing.
The rest of the side is shite still
lets be honest that could have been any point over the last 3 seasons
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There are worse players than Bacuna in the top 7 of the Championship. Likewise Westwood. There are though many better defensive and attacking units.
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We will see next season won't we. The only times Westwood in particular looks Ok is when we play poorer teams and the better players around him help him disappear in to the back ground and hide his inadequacies. I've never seen a midfielder affect a game so little as he does.
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There are worse players than Bacuna in the top 7 of the Championship. Likewise Westwood. There are though many better defensive and attacking units.
I just think they are mentally weak in a football sense. We have too many players that lack fight, some mentally weak and others that don't give a s***.
On a good day, some of these players would be good enough for the Championship but what about on a bad day or if we do manage to get out of the division, what then? We need a good clear out so that we have consistent momentum going forward, not another summer of all change in 18 months time.
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There are worse players than Bacuna in the top 7 of the Championship. Likewise Westwood. There are though many better defensive and attacking units.
I just think they are mentally weak in a football sense. We have too many players that lack fight, some mentally weak and others that don't give a s***.
On a good day, some of these players would be good enough for the Championship but what about on a bad day or if we do manage to get out of the division, what then? We need a good clear out so that we have consistent momentum going forward, not another summer of all change in 18 months time.
This in spades.
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There are worse players than Bacuna in the top 7 of the Championship. Likewise Westwood. There are though many better defensive and attacking units.
I just think they are mentally weak in a football sense. We have too many players that lack fight, some mentally weak and others that don't give a s***.
On a good day, some of these players would be good enough for the Championship but what about on a bad day or if we do manage to get out of the division, what then? We need a good clear out so that we have consistent momentum going forward, not another summer of all change in 18 months time.
This in spades.
a lorry load of spades
i would rather see academy kids than wankers like westwood and bacuna doing the same shit week in week out
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There are worse players than Bacuna in the top 7 of the Championship. Likewise Westwood. There are though many better defensive and attacking units.
To be in the top seven in the Championship, you need to be about as good as the likes of Bannan, Lowton, Carson, Warnock, Ridgewell, Maloney, Sidwell and Weimann.
I reckon we'll cope.
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There are worse players than Bacuna in the top 7 of the Championship. Likewise Westwood. There are though many better defensive and attacking units.
To be in the top seven in the Championship, you need to be about as good as the likes of Bannan, Lowton, Carson, Warnock, Ridgewell, Maloney, Sidwell and Weimann.
I reckon we'll cope.
Do we want a squad that is good enough to be in the top seven in the Championship, though or good enough to be in the top ten of the PL?
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There are worse players than Bacuna in the top 7 of the Championship. Likewise Westwood. There are though many better defensive and attacking units.
To be in the top seven in the Championship, you need to be about as good as the likes of Bannan, Lowton, Carson, Warnock, Ridgewell, Maloney, Sidwell and Weimann.
I reckon we'll cope.
Do we want a squad that is good enough to be in the top seven in the Championship, though or good enough to be in the top ten of the PL?
The latter. But that's a completely different argument to the one in which people are shouting that our current squad isn't good enough to cope in the Championship are having.
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Spend some fucking money Villa this squad is dismal.
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There are worse players than Bacuna in the top 7 of the Championship. Likewise Westwood. There are though many better defensive and attacking units.
Players as crap as that pair need to be sent packing from Villa before we kick off next season whatever league we're in. Whatever league we're in they won't be good enough for us. The fact that they've been at our club as long as they have is a damning indictment of Lerner's stewardship of Aston Villa. They've been part of what is the worst Villa team I have ever seen.
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It's not an ability issue with some of our players, certainly at Championship level, it's a mentality issue. Too many of our team accept losing.
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This squad sucks. The worst in Premier League history.
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This squad sucks. The worst in Premier League history.
Derby have that accolade.
I doubt it will be in the bottom 5 worst squads in history by the end of the season.
The lack of any investment by the board this January is genuinely a fucking disgrace.
We are the laughing stock of English football, and they care about as much as I do about the shit I produced this morning, fucking had enough.
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This squad sucks. The worst in Premier League history.
It's definitely our worst anyway.
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I think it's absolutely unforgivable that we've got to January 30th with the the club's worst ever PL team and they haven't bought a single player to help out the manager. It's a dereliction of duty by Lerner and co in my opinion. Something he's been guilty of for the last 6 seasons. The man has no shame that this great club is now a complete laughing stock.
Shame on you, Lerner, you are a stain on this club's history, and I don't care if people think that's over the top.
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This squad sucks. The worst in Premier League history.
It's definitely our worst anyway.
No doubt about that.
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I dread what they are going to conjure up over the summer. I expect us to mostly keep in tact the gutless wimps we have playing for us and then roping together some old guys from your Brentford's and the like and spending peanuts.
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I dread what they are going to conjure up over the summer. I expect us to mostly keep in tact the gutless wimps we have playing for us and then roping together some old guys from you're Brentford's and the like and spending pea nuts.
Hey, now peanuts are a valuable commodity. You can't go throwing them around like confetti, that sort of profligacy is what got us in trouble in the first place.
Not appointing clowns, or signing cart horses, no siree Bob.
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I dread what they are going to conjure up over the summer. I expect us to mostly keep in tact the gutless wimps we have playing for us and then roping together some old guys from you're Brentford's and the like and spending pea nuts.
More likely we'll be told we're deluded for thinking we can compete with Brentford.
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I do not think Garde will be palmed off without the support to construct a competitive squad.
If he walks between now and next season we should be very worried indeed.
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Don't think we need anyone now. People will look at today's scoreline and overreact. The truth is we matched them for large parts of the warm up and could've caused a shock if it hadn't been for 80-85 minutes when they were on top. Onwards and upwards. Keep up the good work,Villa board.
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Football is rotten. Managers, players, coaching staff, administrators everywhere are rewarded financially for failure.
They don't have to give a damn that their footballing CV will be blighted with relegation.
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I do not think Garde will be palmed off without the support to construct a competitive squad.
If he walks between now and next season we should be very worried indeed.
It is a worry that he could walk out of the club if he's not backed this January. I can't imagine he took the job with the condition he'd have nothing to spend in the transfer window.
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I dread what they are going to conjure up over the summer. I expect us to mostly keep in tact the gutless wimps we have playing for us and then roping together some old guys from you're Brentford's and the like and spending pea nuts.
More likely we'll be told we're deluded for thinking we can compete with Brentford.
Aye. We have got to be realistic here. Better to keep our powder dry for League one rather than waste it trying to compete in the Championship. Fans need to just get a grip and embrace the long term plan for the club.
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I do not think Garde will be palmed off without the support to construct a competitive squad.
If he walks between now and next season we should be very worried indeed.
It is a worry that he could walk out of the club if he's not backed this January. I can't imagine he took the job with the condition he'd have nothing to spend in the transfer window.
Not given that he's made numerous references to getting his players in. I think losing Garde would be terrible, because today aside he's starting to turn us round.
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[sarcasm] All this talk of transfers and getting players in is a false narrative...look at how many Villa key rings Fox sold in the last couple of months - why can't you all see how well we're doing [/sarcasm]
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I do not think Garde will be palmed off without the support to construct a competitive squad.
If he walks between now and next season we should be very worried indeed.
It is a worry that he could walk out of the club if he's not backed this January. I can't imagine he took the job with the condition he'd have nothing to spend in the transfer window.
I think the Norwich Watford games were game changers and they have decided to stick not twist. The question is will he be backed in the summer, if not then we will be in free fall .
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I do not think Garde will be palmed off without the support to construct a competitive squad.
If he walks between now and next season we should be very worried indeed.
It is a worry that he could walk out of the club if he's not backed this January. I can't imagine he took the job with the condition he'd have nothing to spend in the transfer window.
I think the Norwich Watford games were game changers and they have decided to stick not twist. The question is will he be backed in the summer, if not then we will be in free fall .
Call me a cynic but I wouldn't be surprised if they had no plans to spend anyway other than a couple of bargain basement/loans. Those games you mentioned could be the convenient excuse.
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I do not think Garde will be palmed off without the support to construct a competitive squad.
If he walks between now and next season we should be very worried indeed.
It is a worry that he could walk out of the club if he's not backed this January. I can't imagine he took the job with the condition he'd have nothing to spend in the transfer window.
I think the Norwich Watford games were game changers and they have decided to stick not twist. The question is will he be backed in the summer, if not then we will be in free fall .
Call me a cynic but I wouldn't be surprised if they had no plans to spend anyway other than a couple of bargain basement/loans. Those games you mentioned could be the convenient excuse.
They also put any one with any ambition off.
I would feel a bit better if the clear out had started though.
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Not getting players in whilst still trying to get players off the wage bill looks to be the agenda. This is bloody Aston Villa not some small club with barely any supporters, the hierarchy just keep sending out all of the wrong signals.
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If we don't get anyone one in then today will keep happening , no players will show board given up , the fans have mostly given up the players who are already in some cases not good enough will not have it in them to keep going out and drying to get results.
Whilst perhaps there is merit in not overspending in our position ,just giving up with 15 games to go will see us go into a tailspin of loss's and will take us months to recover from next season.
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Premier league clubs never get rejected for work permits.
Not only PL clubs but any professional club with good management should never find themselves in this position. The trick is to know what you are doing and do not embarrass yourself in the first place by trying to sign a player where permit is going to be an issue. It's called diligence and rigour in doing your job.
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If we don't get anyone one in then today will keep happening , no players will show board given up , the fans have mostly given up the players who are already in some cases not good enough will not have it in them to keep going out and drying to get results.
Whilst perhaps there is merit in not overspending in our position ,just giving up with 15 games to go will see us go into a tailspin of loss's and will take us months to recover from next season.
This could be a terminal decline, we'll spend nothing in the summer due to the financial realities of being relegated, will not be promoted then cut budgets again and again until we're not competitive in the championship, then cut some more. We're screwed until Custodian Calamity is gone. I'll take anyone over the stupid American buffoon right now. To those who say we may end up with asset strippers, I'll say we've been systematically and efficiently asset stripped by the turd over the last five years.
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We've signed 3 players from other Premier league clubs the last 4 years. One is 33 and his legs have gone and cost nothing. One hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years and cost nothing and the other hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years too and cost a couple of million. Tells a damning story.
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Not getting players in whilst still trying to get players off the wage bill looks to be the agenda. This is bloody Aston Villa not some small club with barely any supporters, the hierarchy just keep sending out all of the wrong signals.
Hear hear!
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We've signed 3 players from other Premier league clubs the last 4 years. One is 33 and his legs have gone and cost nothing. One hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years and cost nothing and the other hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years too and cost a couple of million. Tells a damning story.
We just don't buy Premier League standard players anymore and that's the cause of our decline in a nutshell.
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We've signed 3 players from other Premier league clubs the last 4 years. One is 33 and his legs have gone and cost nothing. One hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years and cost nothing and the other hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years too and cost a couple of million. Tells a damning story.
We just don't buy Premier League standard players anymore and that's the cause of our decline in a nutshell.
Couple in we signed Veretout from a team that finished 14th in the French league and only scored 29 goals.
Ayew from a team that finished 16th in the French league.
Amavi from a team that finished 11th in the French league .
Gueye from a team that finished 8th in the French league.
Crespo from a team that finished rock bottom and conceded 68 goals.
Gestede from a mid table Championship side.
We we're not even raiding the better sides from the French league, we picked from the mid to lower half sides. Stupidity and more money spunked all over the place.
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I assume Gueye was mainly used as a sub in this top 8 outfit?
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I assume Gueye was mainly used as a sub in this top 8 outfit?
No, he played most of the games for a mid table side in what's generally considered a pretty weak league minus the top couple of teams.
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Gueye had a shocker today, granted, and we are all sick of this shit. But I hate all this reactionary stuff. He has been great over recent games and our best player. Why bin him off after today? In a normal season, you just say he had a bad game and move on.
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Garde reckons we are going to get a striker.
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He played well against the Albion and poorly today against a vastly superior side to ourselves and the Stripey Filth.
After Norwich and Sunderland all but blew the candle out, I couldn't and still can't see it being anything but being a couple loans.
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We've signed 3 players from other Premier league clubs the last 4 years. One is 33 and his legs have gone and cost nothing. One hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years and cost nothing and the other hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years too and cost a couple of million. Tells a damning story.
We just don't buy Premier League standard players anymore and that's the cause of our decline in a nutshell.
Couple in we signed Veretout from a team that finished 14th in the French league and only scored 29 goals.
Ayew from a team that finished 16th in the French league.
Amavi from a team that finished 11th in the French league .
Gueye from a team that finished 8th in the French league.
Crespo from a team that finished rock bottom and conceded 68 goals.
Gestede from a mid table Championship side.
We we're not even raiding the better sides from the French league, we picked from the mid to lower half sides. Stupidity and more money spunked all over the place.
These are unbelievably damning statistics. Shocking
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We've signed 3 players from other Premier league clubs the last 4 years. One is 33 and his legs have gone and cost nothing. One hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years and cost nothing and the other hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years too and cost a couple of million. Tells a damning story.
I never realised that this was the case.
And we wonder why we're in the position that we are.
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Norwich have signed Bamford on loan. He's one that I thought we could've tempted to come. I'm getting rather fucked off by this whole sorry affair now to be honest.
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Norwich have signed Bamford on loan. He's one that I thought we could've tempted to come. I'm getting rather fucked off by this whole sorry affair now to be honest.
We just look pathetic and amateur
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The divisions losers who have given up. Unfortunately for the supporters there's months left. People are going to start getting very angry again if there's more of what was served up today. Not a single fucking player they've managed to find, they've had months to do this, from game 10 in October we could see the glaring limitations of this squad but we are going to toss around the excuses and carry on with two carthorses swapping around up front and Sinclair who'd rather be on his phone standing around near them.
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Perhaps the current manager has no faith in a certain Mr P Reily and will sign who he wants rather than what prozone highlights.
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Norwich have signed Bamford on loan. He's one that I thought we could've tempted to come. I'm getting rather fucked off by this whole sorry affair now to be honest.
We just look pathetic and amateur
That's because that's what we are.
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We should take a punt on the Haller lad Norwich were after. Good size, young and decent looking footballer. Ditto Santos. Could get both for about 6.5 million.
To end up with one player this window is awful.
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We've signed 3 players from other Premier league clubs the last 4 years. One is 33 and his legs have gone and cost nothing. One hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years and cost nothing and the other hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years too and cost a couple of million. Tells a damning story.
We just don't buy Premier League standard players anymore and that's the cause of our decline in a nutshell.
Couple in we signed Veretout from a team that finished 14th in the French league and only scored 29 goals.
Ayew from a team that finished 16th in the French league.
Amavi from a team that finished 11th in the French league .
Gueye from a team that finished 8th in the French league.
Crespo from a team that finished rock bottom and conceded 68 goals.
Gestede from a mid table Championship side.
We we're not even raiding the better sides from the French league, we picked from the mid to lower half sides. Stupidity and more money spunked all over the place.
Benteke - striker from a team which finished 17th.
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Charlie Austin - striker from a team that got relegated.
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We've signed 3 players from other Premier league clubs the last 4 years. One is 33 and his legs have gone and cost nothing. One hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years and cost nothing and the other hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years too and cost a couple of million. Tells a damning story.
We just don't buy Premier League standard players anymore and that's the cause of our decline in a nutshell.
Couple in we signed Veretout from a team that finished 14th in the French league and only scored 29 goals.
Ayew from a team that finished 16th in the French league.
Amavi from a team that finished 11th in the French league .
Gueye from a team that finished 8th in the French league.
Crespo from a team that finished rock bottom and conceded 68 goals.
Gestede from a mid table Championship side.
We we're not even raiding the better sides from the French league, we picked from the mid to lower half sides. Stupidity and more money spunked all over the place.
Benteke - striker from a team which finished 17th.
Is Benteke going to be dragged up to counter everything like he was in the Lambert days? Way more often then not if you buy players from the poorer sides and ask them to step up they can't.
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We've signed 3 players from other Premier league clubs the last 4 years. One is 33 and his legs have gone and cost nothing. One hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years and cost nothing and the other hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years too and cost a couple of million. Tells a damning story.
We just don't buy Premier League standard players anymore and that's the cause of our decline in a nutshell.
Couple in we signed Veretout from a team that finished 14th in the French league and only scored 29 goals.
Ayew from a team that finished 16th in the French league.
Amavi from a team that finished 11th in the French league .
Gueye from a team that finished 8th in the French league.
Crespo from a team that finished rock bottom and conceded 68 goals.
Gestede from a mid table Championship side.
We we're not even raiding the better sides from the French league, we picked from the mid to lower half sides. Stupidity and more money spunked all over the place.
Benteke - striker from a team which finished 17th.
Is Benteke going to be dragged up to counter everything like he was in the Lambert days? Way more often then not if you buy players from the poorer sides and ask them to step up they can't.
No, it's just to point out that coming from a shit side doesn't mean the player is shit.
Amavi didn't look shit. Ayew (mentioned by the poster) is one of our best players this season (if not the best). Veretout doesn't look shit either.
It's an argument that doesn't make sense.
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Gueye had a shocker today, granted, and we are all sick of this shit. But I hate all this reactionary stuff. He has been great over recent games and our best player. Why bin him off after today? In a normal season, you just say he had a bad game and move on.
Because it isn't a normal season. Because he has only had a few good games but a lot more dross. Because many fans are sick and tired of players not being able to string passes together never mind string a consistent run of good games together.
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Norwich have signed Bamford on loan. He's one that I thought we could've tempted to come. I'm getting rather fucked off by this whole sorry affair now to be honest.
Wow. I am out of words to describe how poorly the club has managed this window.
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Amavi looks like he can't defend. Ayew has scored a handful of goals and just about stands out in comfortably the worst side in the division.
There's a reason why certain teams finish high and others low and it's normally they've got a better standard of players.
West Ham raid Marseille and sign Payet. He turns out to be a cracking player.
We raid the middle reaches of the division and they turn out to be very average indeed.
It would have taken a minor miracle for all of them to make the big step up from mid table in a slow French division and do well here.
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We've signed 3 players from other Premier league clubs the last 4 years. One is 33 and his legs have gone and cost nothing. One hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years and cost nothing and the other hasn't played consistently for nearly 5 years too and cost a couple of million. Tells a damning story.
We just don't buy Premier League standard players anymore and that's the cause of our decline in a nutshell.
Couple in we signed Veretout from a team that finished 14th in the French league and only scored 29 goals.
Ayew from a team that finished 16th in the French league.
Amavi from a team that finished 11th in the French league .
Gueye from a team that finished 8th in the French league.
Crespo from a team that finished rock bottom and conceded 68 goals.
Gestede from a mid table Championship side.
We we're not even raiding the better sides from the French league, we picked from the mid to lower half sides. Stupidity and more money spunked all over the place.
Benteke - striker from a team which finished 17th.
Is Benteke going to be dragged up to counter everything like he was in the Lambert days? Way more often then not if you buy players from the poorer sides and ask them to step up they can't.
No, it's just to point out that coming from a shit side doesn't mean the player is shit.
Amavi didn't look shit. Ayew (mentioned by the poster) is one of our best players this season (if not the best). Veretout doesn't look shit either.
It's an argument that doesn't make sense.
Also, taking the argument to mean buying players from big clubs is the way forward, we bought Richards and Sinclair from one of the 'big four' Man City. They've hardly been a roaring success.
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We bought two players from Man City who have barely played for 5 years.
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We bought two players from Man City who have barely played for 5 years.
That's the type we're going to sign from the top teams though, isn't it? Because if they were the top players, the top teams wouldn't sell them to us and they wouldn't join us. So we're back to signing bit-part players from the top sides, or the better players from the lower sides like Amavi, Ayew and Veretout, none of whom are 'shit'.
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All the players we have aquired recently from man city have been rubbish. Dunne, Ireland, richards sinclair... They have all made their millions and have no motivation.
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All the players we have aquired recently from man city have been rubbish. Dunne, Ireland, richards sinclair... They have all made their millions and have no motivation.
Dunne certainly was not rubbish in his first season.
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He was better than we have now, but at lot worse than who he replaced. Guaranteed a mistake in a big game too.
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Doumbia going to Newcastle by the looks of it.
Another one down. Good God it's depressing being a Villa fan this season.
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Doumbia going to Newcastle by the looks of it.
Another one down. Good God it's depressing being a Villa fan this season.
Just saw on SKY that Sunderland are signing the wide player (Kharzi?) that we were linked with for £9m.
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Doumbia going to Newcastle by the looks of it.
Another one down. Good God it's depressing being a Villa fan this season.
Just saw on SKY that Sunderland are signing the wide player (Kharzi?) that we were linked with for £9m.
With a name like that he must be shit.
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Doumbia going to Newcastle by the looks of it.
Another one down. Good God it's depressing being a Villa fan this season.
Just saw on SKY that Sunderland are signing the wide player (Kharzi?) that we were linked with for £9m.
With a name like that he must be shit.
Yes, that deal went down the toilet.
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Doumbia going to Newcastle by the looks of it.
Another one down. Good God it's depressing being a Villa fan this season.
Just saw on SKY that Sunderland are signing the wide player (Kharzi?) that we were linked with for £9m.
With a name like that he must be shit.
Yes, that deal went down the toilet.
It's a bit crap but we'll just have to move on to (target) number two.
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We bought two players from Man City who have barely played for 5 years.
That's the type we're going to sign from the top teams though, isn't it? Because if they were the top players, the top teams wouldn't sell them to us and they wouldn't join us. So we're back to signing bit-part players from the top sides, or the better players from the lower sides like Amavi, Ayew and Veretout, none of whom are 'shit'.
But we don't have to sign bit part players either do we, we've picked up way too many of those the last 3 years. There's something in between and we've gotten nowhere close to hitting the mark.
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Doumbia going to Newcastle by the looks of it.
Another one down. Good God it's depressing being a Villa fan this season.
Remi is hopeful of one in, pretty sure that's Debuchy isn't it? If so we've managed to conjure up a right back who's had a season and a half off pretty much. Terrible business. We might as well save whatever we have because a right back that's going back after 15 games is a waste of bloody time and will have no effect on this season.
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We bought two players from Man City who have barely played for 5 years.
That's the type we're going to sign from the top teams though, isn't it? Because if they were the top players, the top teams wouldn't sell them to us and they wouldn't join us. So we're back to signing bit-part players from the top sides, or the better players from the lower sides like Amavi, Ayew and Veretout, none of whom are 'shit'.
But we don't have to sign bit part players either do we, we've picked up way too many of those the last 3 years. There's something in between and we've gotten nowhere close to hitting the mark.
If we're only signing them from the top clubs - and you've said that we shouldn't sign players from teams in mid/lower half positions, then probably yes we do.
I completely agree that there's something in between - and that is the type of player we signed this summer - Ayew, Amavi and Veretout who you've written off as not good enough. Okore - another one - signed from a league which wouldn't be considered a top league, but actually one of our better players.
The problem isn't with them - it's with the lower league players we've signed such as Gestede, Westwood et al who shouldn't be first teamers and the so-called established Premier League players Richards, Agbonlahor, Hutton, N'Zogbia who have repeatedly been crap for us.
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Doumbia going to Newcastle by the looks of it.
Another one down. Good God it's depressing being a Villa fan this season.
Another 'rumour' on Twitter says he's signing for us, paperwork was sent to FA today and will be announced Monday. Silly season
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Doumbia going to Newcastle by the looks of it.
Another one down. Good God it's depressing being a Villa fan this season.
Another 'rumour' on Twitter says he's signing for us, paperwork was sent to FA today and will be announced Monday. Silly season
I like your rumour best.
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I bet my rumour is more accurate.
I would love us to pull Gomis and Doumbia out the bag on Monday, then get Debuchy and Inler in late miracle loans and look like an actual football team for the rest of the season but we are not going too. Its all bollocks.
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Garde is probably looking at it and wondering if it's worth buying players at the moment. He will want to dump quite a few players right now and bring his own in come the summer. So he'll need to wait to see where we are before he can get who he wants. Its not because he is doing nothing, just that we're so far behind there's no point in spending millions on further players that aren't right for us.
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Doumbia going to Newcastle by the looks of it.
Another one down. Good God it's depressing being a Villa fan this season.
This season? Christ Ozz it's at least 6 years!
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Too true Paul.
Looks like Debuchy is coming. So that is something
Apparently Sane is leaving Bordeaux - bet he is off to one of our relegation "rivals" too.
Shame if so, because if we didn't see Richards, Hutton and Bacuna in the back 4 again this season it would at least be something of a bonus.
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rumours that Remy is on his way to Leicester on a permanent deal. Around 12m
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A lot of money, but fair play to Leicester, buying a proven goalscorer in their position. Amazed with their lack of options Spurs have not gone in for Remy.
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I don't know. I think its risky. leicester have a tried and tested formula working with the right players. I think remy and vardy don't fit and could see players not sure who to pass to and changing their successful formula.
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Vardy has looked jaded recently though. If they don't buy another forward I think they will be left wondering in May.
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A lot of money, but fair play to Leicester, buying a proven goalscorer in their position. Amazed with their lack of options Spurs have not gone in for Remy.
To be honest in the context of Norwich paying £9 million for Naismith it's not that much.
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Vardy has looked jaded recently though. If they don't buy another forward I think they will be left wondering in May.
He's just come back from injury so not jaded. I agree they need someone but I'm not sure Remy is the right fit. The need someone for Vardy to work off and could be his foil - a Heskey (no, seriously) in his prime - not a similar sort of player.
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Good business for them that is. Solid defence, great midfield and now a complete forward line-up. Got rid of Kramaric and replaced with Remy is probably now going to get them Chumps league football next season.
We won't even be in the same league. :-[
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Garde is probably looking at it and wondering if it's worth buying players at the moment. He will want to dump quite a few players right now and bring his own in come the summer. So he'll need to wait to see where we are before he can get who he wants. Its not because he is doing nothing, just that we're so far behind there's no point in spending millions on further players that aren't right for us.
then loan some players. Sticking with our current squad is just too bleak to even think about. Im sure we can spend a bit on wages for 5 months
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They're probably expecting Vardy to go for big money in the summer too so it's a smart move. Just as we're a crap proposition at the bottom of the table and struggling to attract anyone, they have the opposing scenario and you can't blame them for making the most of it.
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Garde is probably looking at it and wondering if it's worth buying players at the moment. He will want to dump quite a few players right now and bring his own in come the summer. So he'll need to wait to see where we are before he can get who he wants. Its not because he is doing nothing, just that we're so far behind there's no point in spending millions on further players that aren't right for us.
then loan some players. Sticking with our current squad is just too bleak to even think about. Im sure we can spend a bit on wages for 5 months
Yep, just do something, anything. At least go down with a bit of a fight and give the fans something to hold on to. At the moment it just looks like we're getting the white towel ready to throw into the ring.
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Bacunas a fucking donkey with the back bone of a sperm. He shouldn't be anywhere near a premier league team. He'll look shite in the Championship too next season. He can't defend, can't control a ball, is physically small and weak and has no brain. He has no set position because he's crap in them all. Having him around as a squad player is useless because it's almost having 10 players on the pitch. I'd rather we give his squad position to a youth graduate if we are going to fuck around and spend bugger all again. This has been an appalling transfer window again. In fact we haven't done any decent business for years now and we're in the shit up to our eyeballs.
Seconded!
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Bacunas a fucking donkey with the back bone of a sperm. He shouldn't be anywhere near a premier league team. He'll look shite in the Championship too next season. He can't defend, can't control a ball, is physically small and weak and has no brain. He has no set position because he's crap in them all. Having him around as a squad player is useless because it's almost having 10 players on the pitch. I'd rather we give his squad position to a youth graduate if we are going to fuck around and spend bugger all again. This has been an appalling transfer window again. In fact we haven't done any decent business for years now and we're in the shit up to our eyeballs.
Seconded!
5 year contract m'lord, they're the real donkeys. I get more annoyed by that grin he does when he fucks up, we see it every game now without fail.
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We are so bad it's not funny anymore.
I have zero trust in this in any of the squad, coaches, management, administration, owner or any of the fuckers to get us out of this never ending downgrading of Aston Villa.
It doesn't matter who we do or don't sign now as until RL has gone nothing will improve this once great club.
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Has there ever been a "Lerner Out" sign at Villa Park"
Lerner seems to get a lot of "virtual" criticism on here, but it's the players and managers who seem to face the brunt of it in the real world.
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Villa for life, "Lerner Out' sign, Randy was the one who had them printed for gods sake.
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We are so bad it's not funny anymore.
I have zero trust in this in any of the squad, coaches, management, administration, owner or any of the fuckers to get us out of this never ending downgrading of Aston Villa.
It doesn't matter who we do or don't sign now as until RL has gone nothing will improve this once great club.
We're fucked and I don't think we've seen anything yet. The new chairman "local business man"is so in tune with Birmingham he supports Man City Imagine appointing somebody who has openly said he would never have thought about running a football club.
Worst run club bar none
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How is Shropshire born Hollis any less of a local businessman than Cheshire born Doug Ellis was?
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I bet my rumour is more accurate.
I would love us to pull Gomis and Doumbia out the bag on Monday, then get Debuchy and Inler in late miracle loans and look like an actual football team for the rest of the season but we are not going too. Its all bollocks.
That would be a great window. Looks unlikely.
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Has there ever been a "Lerner Out" sign at Villa Park"
Lerner seems to get a lot of "virtual" criticism on here, but it's the players and managers who seem to face the brunt of it in the real world.
How many signs do you want?
As said the man himself printed a huge one about two years ago by putting us up for sale....so he wants out so there is not much point in beating that dead donkey.
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How is Shropshire born Hollis any less of a local businessman than Cheshire born Doug Ellis was?
Yes they all come to Brum where streets are paved with gold.
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Villa for life, "Lerner Out' sign, Randy was the one who had them printed for gods sake.
Randy Lerner allegedly wants to go so let's lay off him? It's just not a solid argument, for me. Even if he wants to go he still has a huge, huge duty of care to Aston Villa. His neglect of the Club these past five years is not acceptable on any level and, again, for me, he deserves every ounce of stick gets. Banners, chanting, boycotts, you name it - drive this poisonous idiot from the door.
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I did think yesterday we could have played a couple of under 21's as the line up including Guzan , Sinclair , Clarke , Westwood and Richards you just knew what we were going to get and we did.
Lyden for Westwood and Sellars for Sinclair for instance and one or two more on the bench, as it happened he had to put Okore on for the second half who is exempt from any criticism in my opinion and may have got injured, bit puzzled really.
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How is Shropshire born Hollis any less of a local businessman than Cheshire born Doug Ellis was?
He isn't that wasn't my point really. It just appears that Randy has picked some bloke to run a Premier League Football club who had never thought about running a football club previously. Call me picky but unsurprisingly it seems a bit hair brained from Randy and I predict it isn't going to end well
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How is Shropshire born Hollis any less of a local businessman than Cheshire born Doug Ellis was?
He isn't that wasn't my point really. It just appears that Randy has picked some bloke to run a Premier League Football club who had never thought about running a football club previously. Call me picky but unsurprisingly it seems a bit hair brained from Randy and I predict it isn't going to end well
Agreed. And using terms like embattled or whatever, also doesn't help either. Not the best way to introduce someone. I already have a negative about the guy now, right from the start instead of thinking he's here to help.
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Billy please do not confuse my answer to Villa for life as any support for Lerner, because it is not, but any form of protest I believe should have an achievable goal and also have some form of ill effect on the person it is aimed at. We are all I firmly believe of the understanding that we are now an annoyance to Lerner nothing else and yes if it makes people feel better letting off steam at Lerner carry on, but water of a ducks back comes to mind as far as Lerner is concerned.
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How is Shropshire born Hollis any less of a local businessman than Cheshire born Doug Ellis was?
He isn't that wasn't my point really. It just appears that Randy has picked some bloke to run a Premier League Football club who had never thought about running a football club previously. Call me picky but unsurprisingly it seems a bit hair brained from Randy and I predict it isn't going to end well
Agreed. And using terms like embattled or whatever, also doesn't help either. Not the best way to introduce someone. I already have a negative about the guy now, right from the start instead of thinking he's here to help.
Not to mention his " we wasted 80 million in the Summer" comments when the team had some momentum going Still no surprise , he is just an addition to the other under qualified utter pratts we are run by.
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I agree that he's got a lot to prove and needs to show he's the right man for the job, it was the Man City and 'local businessman' bits that I don't think have any relevance to whether he can do the job or not.
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I agree that he's got a lot to prove and needs to show he's the right man for the job, it was the Man City and 'local businessman' bits that I don't think have any relevance to whether he can do the job or not.
It hasn't of course, it just adds to my irritation.
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Villa for life, "Lerner Out' sign, Randy was the one who had them printed for gods sake.
Randy Lerner allegedly wants to go so let's lay off him? It's just not a solid argument, for me. Even if he wants to go he still has a huge, huge duty of care to Aston Villa. His neglect of the Club these past five years is not acceptable on any level and, again, for me, he deserves every ounce of stick gets. Banners, chanting, boycotts, you name it - drive this poisonous idiot from the door.
The wilful neglect once he got bored has led us to this. As a custodian he's been execrable... If he's pursuing the sale of the club with the same vigour he's employed in running us, is it any wonder there has been no buyer. He's damaged us to the extent no one will pay what he's looking for in terms of price, but the man is so stupid he's probably raised the price now we're all but gone. We're in for a very grim time. Hollis probably has a remit to sell what ever saleable assets we have and maintain us was a championship club and if we get lucky get promoted and get back on the gravy train and do likewise so he can claw some dough back. He's no interest in us whatsoever. We're not scared of relegation, are we missing something? every club in the prem appears to be... And we're not going to waste a crisis apparently. Cooperate bullshit speak. Clueless Wankers the lot of them...
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PWS the problem being are we really sure what sort of task he has been brought in to perform.
I really have a fear that he is tasked with asset stripping, i.e. Body Moor, overseeing along with Fox stadium naming rights, any other bits that would be sellable, so when Randy has to take a lower price, he has regained some of his outlay. I hope to god I am wrong, but there is something not playing out how it should be and I think Remi smells it too.
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It is all guesswork regarding Hollis. My guess is that he has been brought in to shunt Fox sideways and prevent any more cronyism and short lists of one. That and to count beans of course.
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And still the transfer silence is deafening.
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I just think there is more to it Brian.
Randy has put what ever price on the club and there has been no takers, so fair play after MON the belt on signings and wages was tightened,how that has been handled is another debate but trying to put the business on an even keel, but just when that from a book point of view is happening, some bugger opens the trap door.
Now we are into a depreciating asset straight away, so instead of X amount it was worth, he is now going to have to reduce it by Y, so why not see what I can get from some of the non-playing assets as at least they seem to have appreciated in value, not like the playing ones.
I am concerned he has totally traveled past the point of no return where the benefit of the club is his main objective, however badly this has been handled in the past and KPMG are very good asset strippers as we all know.
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I see Bamford has gone on loan to Norwich, I always felt that was the most achievable of our loan options.
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And still the transfer silence is deafening.
So much so, that were not even discussing transfers on the transfer thread!
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Would this be the first transfer window under Lerner when we haven't spent?
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Hear what you say Kuwait and there is much smoke coming from that particular fire. However, I still think that if Lerner is being advised by anybody with business experience and judgement, and I accept that is a big if because the signs are that he makes decisions on a whim, the essential factor that will drive a sale of the club is evidence that we have stopped deteriorating.
I do not like to be subjective but in my own experience in a long career of buying and selling when you want to snap up a bargain you wait until the very last moment before you make a move. That there are buyers out there for Villa I do not have the slightest doubt. What they are waiting for is the price to bottom out. That will almost certainly be when we start winning games in the Championship and attendances start to rise. That is the time they will all come running out of the woodwork waving their chequebooks with all the players' agents following them trying to sell us their unwanted clients.
To all intents and purposes the club is being auctioned. The bidding will not start until a potential buyer thinks we have gone as low as we are going to go.
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Hear what you say Kuwait and there is much smoke coming from that particular fire. However, I still think that if Lerner is being advised by anybody with business experience and judgement, and I accept that is a big if because the signs are that he makes decisions on a whim, the essential factor that will drive a sale of the club is evidence that we have stopped deteriorating.
I do not like to be subjective but in my own experience in a long career of buying and selling when you want to snap up a bargain you wait until the very last moment before you make a move. That there are buyers out there for Villa I do not have the slightest doubt. What they are waiting for is the price to bottom out. That will almost certainly be when we start winning games in the Championship and attendances start to rise. That is the time they will all come running out of the woodwork waving their chequebooks with all the players' agents following them trying to sell us their unwanted clients.
To all intents and purposes the club is being auctioned. The bidding will not start until a potential buyer thinks we have gone as low as we are going to go.
and this is when my conspiracy theory regarding the"sly and wiley" fox will be unravelled
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So if Aston villa was a share on the stock exchange
We are being shorted then
Sounds about right
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The obvious shortcomings we saw yesterday and for most of the season, juxtaposed with the absolute silence on the transfer front make me want to weep with frustration.
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Billy please do not confuse my answer to Villa for life as any support for Lerner, because it is not, but any form of protest I believe should have an achievable goal and also have some form of ill effect on the person it is aimed at. We are all I firmly believe of the understanding that we are now an annoyance to Lerner nothing else and yes if it makes people feel better letting off steam at Lerner carry on, but water of a ducks back comes to mind as far as Lerner is concerned.
Water off a duck's back or not, the bottom line is that he clearly sees Villa as an investment to keep ticking over until he feels it's time to offload. This, for me, is incredibly disrespectful to the Club and supporters and it inevitably leads to a culture of apathy and failure.
As fans my feeling is all we can do is make his plans to keep Villa ticking over as difficult as possible. Boycott season tickets, boycott the new kit etc. It might be water off a duck's back but he simply won't get his money back on Villa without the "customers" making his asset viable.
Looking at the lack of transfer action this month I seriously believe he is now starting to pocket money from the Club. If we go down my feeling is we won't be given nearly enough to get back up - he will trouser what he can. Yes, all wild speculation on my part, but I'm afraid I just don't believe his PR any more. He is now all about making his money back, first and foremost.
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You may well be right Billy. You certainly are right in your comment about showing respect for the club and the fans.
However, and I accept fully that I may well be wrong, not even Randy Lerner is so stupid that he would in the words of the old joke about the shipwrecked sailors, chop up a lifeboat to build a raft.
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The boards attitude to this transfer window is beyond disgusting. Absolute confirmation that they have given up. Wonder if they would be happy to have season tickets returned and credit everyone back 50%.
We have all been mugged off and Garde's been sold a lemon.
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and here ends our chance of signing doumbia too!!!
sickening
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and here ends our chance of signing doumbia too!!!
sickening
Having a medical at Newcastle according to Sky. Honestly we're a bloody joke.
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I'm increasingly certain that the only thing we'll do this window is disprove the saying about a fool and his money.
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and here ends our chance of signing doumbia too!!!
sickening
Having a medical at Newcastle according to Sky. Honestly we're a bloody joke.
Have to say, I agree.
The meekness with which they've accepted going down, and the total lack of fight make me so angry.
We didn't just need players in, we needed them as early as possible, yet here we are, the day before the window closes and we've actually signed nobody.
I appreciate it's not easy when you are bottom of the league, but Newcastle and Sunderland are in big trouble too, and they seem to be prepared to do what it takes to get out of it.
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Yes it's difficult to attract players when you're bottom of the league but if you offer them the money players WILL come. That's it in a nutshell though, weeve spent the last 5 or so years doing everything on the cheap and we're not gonna break that habit till Lerner final sells up.
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You may well be right Billy. You certainly are right in your comment about showing respect for the club and the fans.
However, and I accept fully that I may well be wrong, not even Randy Lerner is so stupid that he would in the words of the old joke about the shipwrecked sailors, chop up a lifeboat to build a raft.
Never, ever, ever, misunderestimate Lerner's capacity to be an utter moron.
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and here ends our chance of signing doumbia too!!!
sickening
Having a medical at Newcastle according to Sky. Honestly we're a bloody joke.
Have to say, I agree.
The meekness with which they've accepted going down, and the total lack of fight make me so angry.
We didn't just need players in, we needed them as early as possible, yet here we are, the day before the window closes and we've actually signed nobody.
I appreciate it's not easy when you are bottom of the league, but Newcastle and Sunderland are in big trouble too, and they seem to be prepared to do what it takes to get out of it.
15 games 45 points left and they decide to just give up.
Unforgivable , left fans to watch us slowly and embarrassingly sink into oblivion for 4 more months.
Good luck getting fans back next season ..
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That's the worst part for me. They gave up even before the January window opened. That's more than half the season to play and they gave up on our proud Premier League status.
Shame on them.
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I sincerely believe that the plummet into the championship is intentional on some notion of it being a cheaper league to compete in. Since we arent pushing for europe and fight to survive every year, I get the impression that 'well, we arent good enough for the premier league, lets drop down to a more realistic level' as opposed to spending money on players that dont make a difference. And that is the problem. We bought in bulk without getting any quality. Diamonds in the rough are great when you have a squad filled with quality but we dont. Even Benteke was hit and miss for us as well as Delph and the problems were evident way way before they finally left. We will miss players like Albrighton and Weimann in the championship next year and the board will sit around twiddling their thumbs wondering why we are bombing out of that league. Either that or we will end up getting players deperate to get into the prem, scrappers, journeymen etc that means we will always be in a state of rebuilding. When we drop out of the league and lets not forget we have only won twice this year, it will be deserved and most likely irreversible whilst these charlatans masquarading as our board are still here as to them, so long as money comes in from revenue such as shirts etc, then it doesnt matter. There isnt any passion or any fandom in the board. If we tank, Lerner loses money but what else? He isnt a fan, hasnt been part of villa for longer than 10 years. It is just business.
We could bemoan the league and the cartel of the sky 4 but even Leicester have shown it can be done with style, passion and belief. Yes they may end up losing some of their stars to the 'big' teams but we have been poor on and off the pitch and if I was Garde, I would find another club as he is far too good for the piss take that is the villa at the moment as it is clear that we are not attracting anyone and I believe that the club are still not backing their man to do his job. The entire club seems to have accepted their fate and seems happy enough with their lot.....
Cant find any joy with the villa at the moment and a lesson learnt from lerner who yes but in huge amounts of his own money but should have sold us when he lost interest and when we were a better prospect.
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What Lerner is overseeing especially the lack of activity within this window up to the present time is nothing but disgraceful, so the thought that he has spent his money previously, although very badly, that now is the time to get as much back as I can, as stated previously through none investment in playing staff and the selling of non playing assets, does not seem that far fetched and although I appreciate your point Brian about selling when the points are accumulating in the Championship, there needs to be the basis of a team to gather those points and as seen from previous Lerner or Lerner yes men decisions, that has not been AVFC's strong point for nearly 6 years now.
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But we're not in either Newcastle or Sunderlands position are we, we're 10 points adrift.
Heres the scenario, What if no one will come unless we pay them crazy wages and they get to walk at the end of May for nothing. And such a gamble in turn wrecks the Summers transfer budget. What then? Still spend in some wreckless shit or bust suicide mission?
I'm sure we've tried, but we're toxic right now. We'll be everyones very last option if that.
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I could kind of accept it if someone came out and said that we've basically given up and aren't going to sign anyone in this window, but that the plan is to massively overhaul the squad in the summer to get straight back up again, but we don't appear to even be doing that. There is no guarantee that we're going to make the necessary changes, and it's extremely worrying.
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Can't wait for Tuesday,the bullshit will be over.
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Heres the scenario, What if no one will come unless we pay them crazy wages and they get to walk at the end of May for nothing.
And what if that isn't the case? That's a scenario, too.
Look at our players up-front. Even given us having that ten point gap, I refuse to believe we couldn't get someone in to offer us another option.
We should be fighting like fuck to avoid relegation, but we're just aimlessly drifting along, waiting for it to happen. That entire "couldn't give a fuck" starts from the very top of the club, the owner, and trickles down.
That Man City fan quote someone posted elsewhere is bang-on - as a club, we've given up even trying. It's just so depressing to watch it unfold.
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I could kind of accept it if someone came out and said that we've basically given up and aren't going to sign anyone in this window, but that the plan is to massively overhaul the squad in the summer to get straight back up again, but we don't appear to even be doing that. There is no guarantee that we're going to make the necessary changes, and it's extremely worrying.
I think as a club we would be in trouble with the authorities if we said we were giving up so we have to keep up a facade. I have come to the conclusion that relegation is actually the best thing that can happen, no more hiding places after years of muddling through. As long as Garde is here then I have some faith that we will be rebuilding to come back up stronger.
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Obviously none of us know for sure but my gut feeling is they've tried, they've been knocked back at every opportunity either due to wage demands or players biding their time to see what else transpires. These windows tend to heat up very late.
As I said, the problem is the 10 point gap, that stuffed this window right from the get go, stick or twist, players no longer interested or will come short term but it's 150k p/w or nothing. 4 points a drift and it'd be worth the gamble, 10 points its just not.
Those Norwich and Sunderland games effectively killed us.
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I could kind of accept it if someone came out and said that we've basically given up and aren't going to sign anyone in this window, but that the plan is to massively overhaul the squad in the summer to get straight back up again, but we don't appear to even be doing that. There is no guarantee that we're going to make the necessary changes, and it's extremely worrying.
I think as a club we would be in trouble with the authorities if we said we were giving up so we have to keep up a facade. I have come to the conclusion that relegation is actually the best thing that can happen, no more hiding places after years of muddling through. As long as Garde is here then I have some faith that we will be rebuilding to come back up stronger.
You'd trust the club to put behind 6 seasons of incompetence and neglect and have some kind of Championship re-birth where all they make all the right decisions and invest the cash into making us a Premier League club again?
What makes you think that?
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Can't wait for Tuesday,the bullshit will be over.
Oh no it isn't!
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My concern would be that the club is arrogant enough to believe that coming back up at the first attempt is a given.
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I agree with every word of that Chris but I would change your "some" to "considerable" faith.
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I could kind of accept it if someone came out and said that we've basically given up and aren't going to sign anyone in this window, but that the plan is to massively overhaul the squad in the summer to get straight back up again, but we don't appear to even be doing that. There is no guarantee that we're going to make the necessary changes, and it's extremely worrying.
I think as a club we would be in trouble with the authorities if we said we were giving up so we have to keep up a facade. I have come to the conclusion that relegation is actually the best thing that can happen, no more hiding places after years of muddling through. As long as Garde is here then I have some faith that we will be rebuilding to come back up stronger.
I see where you are coming from, but if given a choice between going down and staying up, then I would choose to stay in PL. No good can come from going down, we could be stuck in the C-ship for years, or even worse -go down further. It can take the club years to recover. Re Garde, I agree, he needs to be here next season for us to have a good chance to bounce back up. Randy on the other hand....
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My view is that given the choice of being a laughing stock in the Premiership or being a respected, well run, progressive club in the Championship I would choose the latter.
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I think its yet another example of stupidity to expect players to flock to our banner in the summer when we've done nothing but wave a white flag for the whole of the month. What happens next January when we're bobbing about in the shallow end of the Championship - do we write that transfer window off too?
Incompetent twats.
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Obviously none of us know for sure but my gut feeling is they've tried, they've been knocked back at every opportunity either due to wage demands or players biding their time to see what else transpires. These windows tend to heat up very late.
As I said, the problem is the 10 point gap, that stuffed this window right from the get go, stick or twist, players no longer interested or will come short term but it's 150k p/w or nothing. 4 points a drift and it'd be worth the gamble, 10 points its just not.
Those Norwich and Sunderland games effectively killed us.
Yeah, I think I'd be willing to give the benefit of the doubt only on the basis of our recent performances (yesterday aside). I mean, if Garde's imploring the players to continue to work their arses off, presumably, he's taking that same attitude to transfers. Beyond that, we have absolutely no idea whether it's the board being unwilling to part with too much money even for an expensive loan (e.g., someone on 60k+ a week or something joining us with an option to buy or something), or it really is the case that every player who we've looked into has told us to feck off because we're shit.
As for paulie's point about the fishiness of not having even one additional option in - I mean, I sort of agree with that as well: it's very difficult to believe that they can't manage that. But, again, that might come down to the available options. I mean, just as a hypothetical: would you really bother if the only players who were willing to join on loan without crazy demands were, say, the 2016 equivalent of Grant Holt? In such a case, I personally wouldn't bother - and I'd view that as a a matter of common sense, rather than reflecting apathy towards the situation.
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My view is that given the choice of being a laughing stock in the Premiership or being a respected, well run, progressive club in the Championship I would choose the latter.
Can you give us an example of a respected, we'll run, progressive club in the Championship?
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I'm no fan of Lerner nor his cohorts who have overseen the almost total demise of this proud club. But, we all know that our relegation is inevitable and has been for weeks. Faced with the fact that the players we need don't want to come here & those who would will be nothing more than mercenaries looking for a meal ticket.
The planning for next season should start now by identifying those we need next season and shifting those we don't. That doesn't mean we buy players now.
The worst will come over the next few weeks & it won't be nice.
I really feel sorry for Remi, the right man at the wrong time. He's got an almost impossible job to do with what he's been given. I really hope he stays.
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My view is that given the choice of being a laughing stock in the Premiership or being a respected, well run, progressive club in the Championship I would choose the latter.
Can you give us an example of a respected, we'll run, progressive club in the Championship?
Brighton. Burnley and Middlesbrough ?
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I agree with you Chris. They're banking on a medium term solution, with the chances of us stopping up, reinforcements or not being remote to impossible.
Time will tell in the long run whether this is the best course, but if they feel financially we'd be better off without a forlorn swing at it now, then it must be a collective decision with Garde's involvement.
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Prediction. We will sign no-one but the team will go on a great run for this second half of the season. We will go down on the last day by a point. This will leaving us lamenting this transfer window and thinking "what might have been if we'd invested"
(I don't really believe that but that would typify the shit we've been through)
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My view is that given the choice of being a laughing stock in the Premiership or being a respected, well run, progressive club in the Championship I would choose the latter.
Can you give us an example of a respected, we'll run, progressive club in the Championship?
Brighton. Burnley and Middlesbrough ?
Great. Clubs who have been in the lower leagues for years.
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If the choice is spending what money we have now in a last gasp, shit or bust attempt to avoid relegation...Or, in the summer as a part of the rebuilding of the squad, coaching, infrastructure, etc. as part of a concerted effort to get ourselves promoted at the first attempt, I'll take the latter thanks as at least the odds will be a bit more to our favour.
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There is clearly a financial corset in place. An intelligent, calm decision has to be made whether the money available is to be spent on the gamble of buying in players now and hoping for survival or using the money in the summer to support a push for a quick, preferably instant return. The defeats by Watford, Sunderland and Norwich tipped the scales towards summer buying being the least bad option and the more likely to succeed.
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There is clearly a financial corset in place. An intelligent, calm decision has to be made whether the money available is to be spent on the gamble of buying in players now and hoping for survival or using the money in the summer to support a push for a quick, preferably instant return. The defeats by Watford, Sunderland and Norwich tipped the scales towards summer buying being the least bad option and the more likely to succeed.
It's undoubtedly the more sensible option to me - but of course, if that's their path, they sure as fuck better be assembling a list of targets right now for that purpose (or at least from the second the window closes.) Presuming Ayew leaves if we get relegated, it would be comforting if we could get one or two attackers equivalent to how Burnley got Andre Gray or Bournemouth bought Callum Wilson in very early in the summer window to spearhead the promotion challenge.
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Jordan Rhodes move to Boro on hold after a prem club has come in.......
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Oh some hope... Whoever or how good Rhodes is!
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Yes it's difficult to attract players when you're bottom of the league but if you offer them the money players WILL come. That's it in a nutshell though, weeve spent the last 5 or so years doing everything on the cheap and we're not gonna break that habit till Lerner final sells up.
I'm not sure your argument about wages stands up though. We have an annual wage bill of 63 million, which when averaged out across a 25 man squad, equates to 48500 per man. That's not peanuts and suggests the problem is more systemic rather than wage based.
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Won't the wage bill include manager, coaches, U21 players etc, and all other staff employed by the club?
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Jordan Rhodes move to Boro on hold after a prem club has come in.......
Probably Newcastle. Going down the 'throw enough shit at a wall' route.
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Yes it's difficult to attract players when you're bottom of the league but if you offer them the money players WILL come. That's it in a nutshell though, weeve spent the last 5 or so years doing everything on the cheap and we're not gonna break that habit till Lerner final sells up.
I'm not sure your argument about wages stands up though. We have an annual wage bill of 63 million, which when averaged out across a 25 man squad, equates to 48500 per man. That's not peanuts and suggests the problem is more systemic rather than wage based.
I'd say this season's wage bill is one of the lowest in the league, and anyway, we still have a hangover from the bomb squad, I.e N'Zogbia who contributes nothing while we pay him a fortune. Same with Agbonlahor this season. I'd say most of our squad are on relative peanuts, and when we do finally get rid of Gabby and N'Zogbia I doubt very much we'll be signing players on similar wages. Everything about this club is about reducing the wage bill, and that's what we're finally staring relegation in the face.
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Rhodes will probably turn us down for Middlesboro and who could blame him?
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Practically everything we've done over the last five years has been done from a position of weakness or with a need to fix a problem quickly.
From O'Neil leaving to Sherwood's appointment, everything has always been done as an act of desperation. Throw in the ludicrous McLeish appointment, the naivity of those running the club day to day & an owner who wants out and it's no surprise we are where we are.
The time for panic and the chaos it brings has to stop. I hope that between Fox, Garde & Harris we have the ability to plan a way back.
I have confidence in Garde & I hope we all stick with him. It would be very very wrong for the fans to turn on him over the next few weeks.
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Rhodes will probably turn us down for Middlesboro and who could blame him?
We're we ever in for him?
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can I throw berahino into the mix......er
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can I throw berahino into the mix......er
You can throw him where you like
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How on earth are they going to get anyone of any ability to join in the summer? We are going to see this season out with repetitive defeats, boo's, lowering crowds and increasing frustration. Do they think fans are going to suddenly come flocking back after summer? Do they think people are going to forget the stigma that's being built up around the name of Aston Villa right now?
We are viewed as a joke club, who no one wants to own, who no one wants to play for with vicious fans on the brink of mutiny. There is real damage being done at the moment to our club and things aren't going to be hunky dory after a months break over summer.
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What vicious fans are those?
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can I throw berahino into the mix......er
You can throw him where you like
Yes, throw him into a mixer
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What vicious fans are those?
In my experience that's how some of the wider public are beginning to perceive us. They see stupid articles about booing players, arguments with players, abuse as they get on and off the coach, stealing wheel chairs, fans are delusional and all the rest and see us as a very toxic club right now.
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Newcastle make a £21m bid for Berahino.....
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They should make it £22m, that way they will be paying a million for each top flight goal he's scored.
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What vicious fans are those?
In my experience that's how some of the wider public are beginning to perceive us. They see stupid articles about booing players, arguments with players, abuse as they get on and off the coach, stealing wheel chairs, fans are delusional and all the rest and see us as a very toxic club right now.
The words 'some' and 'beginning' makes me think you are making it up.
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Can't see us being in for Rhodes but I wouldn't say no, at least he's proven in the championship for next season.
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I don't buy this "vicious fans" thing for a second.
The way I think people see us is with a huge amount of sympathy for the last five years.
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Again whilst I don't necessarily with the players Newcastle are spending their money on at least they're actually trying to stay up.
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I think that, given his potential, getting Berahino for £21 million might be a decent deal. He'd certainly score more goals than the forwards we've signed this transfer window.
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If I was offered Doumbia and Berahino or Ayew and Gestede tomorrow I know which I would take!
Although as much as I don't rate him there is a sound logic to putting Gestede and Rhodes together next season in the Championship.
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What vicious fans are those?
In my experience that's how some of the wider public are beginning to perceive us. They see stupid articles about booing players, arguments with players, abuse as they get on and off the coach, stealing wheel chairs, fans are delusional and all the rest and see us as a very toxic club right now.
The words 'some' and 'beginning' makes me think you are making it up.
Ehh?
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The perception that we are vicious fans is all part of the lazy, fabricated journalism and if you buy into it and believe it about your fellow fans, the lazy, lying media wins again. I come on Heroes and Villains a lot because I find the vast majority of content reasonable, well put and mutually respectful, not vicious or malevolent in any way.
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I don't buy this "vicious fans" thing for a second.
The way I think people see us is with a huge amount of sympathy for the last five years.
I've seen very little sympathy towards us from anyone. People revel in it when a big club falls down the pan.
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Newcastle make a £21m bid for Berahino.....
They'll surely never sell to a club only a few points below them at this stage of the season.
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Depends how much Tony wants a cut
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The perception that we are vicious fans is all part of the lazy, fabricated journalism and if you buy into it and believe it about your fellow fans, the lazy, lying media wins again. I come on Heroes and Villains a lot because I find the vast majority of content reasonable, well put and mutually respectful, not vicious or malevolent in any way.
I think you are misunderstanding me. Why would I think Villa fans are vicious, boo boys or the usual one, fickle? I've spent my entire life following the club and being around fellow Villa fans. Apart from my family I would say they are my life's passion. The media love perpetuating certain myths about us and it's all going towards the horrible image that surrounds us at the moment of being a very undesirable club.
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I don't buy this "vicious fans" thing for a second.
The way I think people see us is with a huge amount of sympathy for the last five years.
I've seen very little sympathy towards us from anyone. People revel in it when a big club falls down the pan.
They might be completely different when in 'mob rule' mode on the terraces but all the fans I have actually spoken to before/after in the pubs have been very sympathetic of our fan's plight.
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It's being reported that we have reneged on a deal to loan Debuchy as we want Arsenal to reduce the loan fee.
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If we are not going to try harder to get the players we really need them I can't see what the point is in getting a full back on loan until the end of the season. It doesn't really benefit us significantly and we'd only be doing it to help him get to the Euros.
What an utterly shit window this has been.
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I'm sure Berahino will be on twitter soon to let everyone know what's happened.
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With every respect to you aj2 I do not give a shit about what we are seen to be, I only care about what we are. I deal in what I know, not what I am told. Just as you do, I love the club, just as my mother and my grandfather did and my sons and my grandsons do.
The ten or twenty around us on the Holte are collectively my best friends. I have a number of good friends on H and V. Use a word like vicious about my friends and I will call it a lie, whether it comes from a troll or James Nursey.
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It's being reported that we have reneged on a deal to loan Debuchy as we want Arsenal to reduce the loan fee.
Not surprised. £65k a week, £1.5m fee for 13 games and a recall option. (Might be 14 is registered in time) err, shit deal.
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It's being reported that we have reneged on a deal to loan Debuchy as we want Arsenal to reduce the loan fee.
Not surprised. £65k a week, £1.5m fee for 13 games and a recall option. (Might be 14 is registered in time) err, shit deal.
not saying it will but if 2.5 million keeps us up its a no brainer surely,but I realize theres the bigger picture but the same scenario applies
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Depends how much Tony wants a cut
Newcastle are gambling massively if that deal goes through. Nearly £50m in fees and goodness knows how much on wages in the past couple of weeks.
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With every respect to you aj2 I do not give a shit about what we are seen to be, I only care about what we are. I deal in what I know, not what I am told. Just as you do, I love the club, just as my mother and my grandfather did and my sons and my grandsons do.
The ten or twenty around us on the Holte are collectively my best friends. I have a number of good friends on H and V. Use a word like vicious about my friends and I will call it a lie, whether it comes from a troll or James Nursey.
But outside appearance will matter when it comes to signing players, as well as money. Unfortunately in this day and age of football image matters. Ours right now is hardly positive and I can't see another 4 months of losses helping.
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They've rolled the dice. They've massively over spent because of their prior poor mismanagement. Whether this increase in quality is enough to keep them up this year, time will tell. They've had a go at the least.
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Depends how much Tony wants a cut
Newcastle are gambling massively if that deal goes through. Nearly £50m in fees and goodness knows how much on wages in the past couple of weeks.
gambling yes but they will still have two good players as assets whether up or down
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It's being reported that we have reneged on a deal to loan Debuchy as we want Arsenal to reduce the loan fee.
We've given up being a football club, we're the cast off of a bored, boneheaded, billionaire, buffoon. We're not coming back until someone else buys us, we're the new Sheffield Wednesday. The Wankers running the show now will repeat the same mistakes again and again, as we've done for the last five years. Inadequate budgets, sub standard players for the level we're at, corporate bullshit about false narratives, increased commercial activity, not wasting a crisis, whilst we spiral down. Whilst the yank twat becomes ever more detached. We're fucked. I only hope he gets an offer in the summer and quits while he's behind, otherwise I'm really worried this is just the start...
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With every respect to you aj2 I do not give a shit about what we are seen to be, I only care about what we are. I deal in what I know, not what I am told. Just as you do, I love the club, just as my mother and my grandfather did and my sons and my grandsons do.
The ten or twenty around us on the Holte are collectively my best friends. I have a number of good friends on H and V. Use a word like vicious about my friends and I will call it a lie, whether it comes from a troll or James Nursey.
But outside appearance will matter when it comes to signing players, as well as money. Unfortunately in this day and age of football image matters. Ours right now is hardly positive and I can't see another 4 months of losses helping.
In four months time we won't be looking at the same players we would have been if we'd stayed up.
The total fee & wages for the Rhodes deal is reported to be in the region of £30m.
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Why are we the new Sheffield Wednesday? Didn't they have crippling financial problems?
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With every respect to you aj2 I do not give a shit about what we are seen to be, I only care about what we are. I deal in what I know, not what I am told. Just as you do, I love the club, just as my mother and my grandfather did and my sons and my grandsons do.
The ten or twenty around us on the Holte are collectively my best friends. I have a number of good friends on H and V. Use a word like vicious about my friends and I will call it a lie, whether it comes from a troll or James Nursey.
But outside appearance will matter when it comes to signing players, as well as money. Unfortunately in this day and age of football image matters. Ours right now is hardly positive and I can't see another 4 months of losses helping.
In four months time we won't be looking at the same players we would have been if we'd stayed up.
The total fee & wages for the Rhodes deal is reported to be in the region of £30m.
Bloody hell! Does he arrive wrapped in gold?
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My view is that given the choice of being a laughing stock in the Premiership or being a respected, well run, progressive club in the Championship I would choose the latter.
Can you give us an example of a respected, we'll run, progressive club in the Championship?
leeds?
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Giving up on Debuchy. The worst part is, that whilst he would improve us a fucking million-fold at right back over the utter, utter toss we have at the club, Debuchy is pretty average himself and is also way past his best. What a sorry state of affairs. If this club was a dog it would have been shot years ago. The very moment Alex McLeish rolled up to this slathering lipped mongrel we should have pulled the bastard trigger.
If something drastic isn't done in the summer, without wishing to sound like one of those mentalists in London who walk around with a notice board on them and ranting about the end of days, we are pretty much doomed. Doomed I tells ya!!
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10m fee for Rhodes, plus 1.5m signing on fee, plus I would bet about 2m a year wages, on a 5 year deal I make that 22m? How on earth will it get to 30?
At 22m, if he scored 20 goals next season that saw us up, then it would be well spent.
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were all applying the same logic regarding finances and it seems to make perfect football and business sense,
hes run out of money,hasnt he?
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were all applying the same logic regarding finances and it seems to make perfect football and business sense,
hes run out of money,hasnt he?
No. He just doesn't want to spend it on Villa anymore.
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No, but his mom has pulled the rug
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10m fee for Rhodes, plus 1.5m signing on fee, plus I would bet about 2m a year wages, on a 5 year deal I make that 22m? How on earth will it get to 30?
At 22m, if he scored 20 goals next season that saw us up, then it would be well spent.
He's already on £2.5m a year at Blackburn & it's being held up because he wants a promotion bonus.
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I don't see the point in spending another £2.4 million on yet another full back, whose position means he cannot have a significant impact on our position. We need goals, we needed them in August, we're not going to get them and we are all but relegated.
We'recommend beating a tactical retreat from this league. Why bother spending money that will go a lot further next season towards our promotion. It stinks, but I we'recommend going down, and it seems we are, then we may as well.keep.the powder dry.
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Why are we the new Sheffield Wednesday? Didn't they have crippling financial problems?
Lerner's lost interest completely, he'll want his money back, he won't get it back in any sale now, he'll take any money out of the club he can until he feels he's near even, then sell to whoever will pony up the cash. I don't trust him or anyone he's appointed at board level. He's going to fuck us over. For all the custodian bullshit he's spouted in the past. His actions have been completely contrary to those of a good custodian. This is going to end badly
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Why are we the new Sheffield Wednesday? Didn't they have crippling financial problems?
Lerner's lost interest completely, he'll want his money back, he won't get it back in any sale now, he'll take any money out of the club he can until he feels he's near even, then sell to whoever will pony up the cash. I don't trust him or anyone he's appointed at board level. He's going to fuck us over. For all the custodian bullshit he's spouted in the past. His actions have been completely contrary to those of a good custodian. This is going to end badly
Even if he doesn't do that, we might be stable now, but what about 2-3 years? We're awful enough to double drop without a significant change in our approach. We're not going down with a noose on our necks like Leeds did, or Portsmouth, but we have to be careful. I wouldn't trust Randy to look after a bag of chocolate coins the daft fucker.
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What are basing those assumptions on?
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What are basing those assumptions on?
6 years of ineptitude.
So I'm really hoping Hollis knows what he's doing.
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That's a separate point. He says we're going to be Sheffield Wednesday because Lerner plans to drain money out of the club, when he's done nothing in those six years to suggest that's his intention, so I was wondering what this was based on.
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That's a separate point. He says we're going to be Sheffield Wednesday because Lerner plans to drain money out of the club, when he's done nothing in those six years to suggest that's his intention, so I was wondering what this was based on.
Well I don't think he'll do that. Lerner might deny it but he's spent 5 years getting us financially ready for the drop. We'll be okay...at first.
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That would imply that being relegated is part of an intentional plan, which would be nonsense.
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A similar case would be probably teams like Fulham, Blackburn and Bolton.
Yes I know we're bigger than them so don't want to get involved in that debate but the fact is all those were stable teams in the prem, all got taken over and gradually the spending stopped, their first 11s got worse and they all dropped and none of them have got back to the prem or even looked like getting back up.
Probably Fulham is the best comparison since Al Fayed sold up and Khan took over.
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I no longer have any faith in the man to do the right thing. He's specifically stated he wants out, but his actions in the preceding time screamed that anyway. I don't think he'll just cut his loses and sell, he's systematically raped the playing squad over the last five years to stabilise the finances and look at the cost. He's all ready taken a very hefty financial blow with the divorce,I don't think he's got the appetite to repeat that with Villa if he did he would have sold us at a loss. He's going to look to claw back what he can.
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We'll be going down but not as a Portsmouth, Leeds or QPR. Nothing we do now will change that.
West Ham & Newcastle have been down & come back. If we do our business correctly in the summer, we'll have every chance of doing the same.
Whatever Lerner does he'll never get his money back, the only way of getting anything near it is by getting us back up to the Premier League & finding some stability.
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A similar case would be Newcastle. Dip shit owner who spunked a load of money, without any coherent plan, big club, went down, kept their players whod been so inferior in the top flight and brassed the league up.
The warning is what happened after the came back up, as bar one decent season, they've been circling the bowl. Lerner must go if we are not to repeat this nonsense in a few years time.
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but he'll only go if someone wants to buy - and no one does at the price he wants.
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We'll be going down but not as a Portsmouth, Leeds or QPR. Nothing we do now will change that.
West Ham & Newcastle have been down & come back. If we do our business correctly in the summer, we'll have every chance of doing the same.
Whatever Lerner does he'll never get his money back, the only way of getting anything near it is by getting us back up to the Premier League & finding some stability.
apart from the going down bit, I agree 110%, who else is going to reinvest, barring a miracle
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All in all, this weekend's been a bit of a bummer, hasn't it?
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unless of course someone gets hold of lerner by the scruff,explains the situation and he has a sudden change of heart, now that would be something eh
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A similar case would be Newcastle. Dip shit owner who spunked a load of money, without any coherent plan, big club, went down, kept their players whod been so inferior in the top flight and brassed the league up.
The warning is what happened after the came back up, as bar one decent season, they've been circling the bowl. Lerner must go if we are not to repeat this nonsense in a few years time.
When they went down Ashley gambled and kept Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Nolan and Barton. Those four together with an emerging Andy Carroll were the spine.
It's impossible to predict how we'll do tbh until we see what sort of squad we'll have down there.
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A similar case would be Newcastle. Dip shit owner who spunked a load of money, without any coherent plan, big club, went down, kept their players whod been so inferior in the top flight and brassed the league up.
The warning is what happened after the came back up, as bar one decent season, they've been circling the bowl. Lerner must go if we are not to repeat this nonsense in a few years time.
When they went down Ashley gambled and kept Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Nolan and Barton. Those four together with an emerging Andy Carroll were the spine.
It's impossible to predict how we'll do tbh until we see what sort of squad we'll have down there.
gambling seems to be getting over used regarding Newcastle, surely its better described as calculated risks
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if we can keep hold of Amavi, Veretout, Ayew, Gil, Traore, Gana and a few others, we have a chance
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It is very easy to see how we could stay in Div 2 or drop even further.
The big Finacial cost is going to be clearing out all the contracts of the players that are stinking out the club as well as bringing in replacements that can get us back up.
I don't think this can be achieved without significant investment and there is nothing to suggest that this Investment will be forthcoming.
We have every reason to be very worried.
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They are signing players that are better than bottom 6 quality in fairness. Shelvey Townsend Doumbia even Saivet and Berahino if they get him are all mid to upper mid table players. All have flaws in their game but I would back then to get some results now. They are a significantly better side for having them. We would be too.
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if we can keep hold of Amavi, Veretout, Ayew, Gil, Traore, Gana and a few others, we have a chance
Yes. I'd add Okore, Grealish and possibily Cissokho to that list and then promote a few of the kids into the squad. While a couple of the above will probably end up leaving, I can see a fair few of them sticking around.
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if we can keep hold of Amavi, Veretout, Ayew, Gil, Traore, Gana and a few others, we have a chance
We need a keeper, defender, midfielder and striker through the spine that can lead. Newcastle had that. We don't unless we buy well
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A similar case would be Newcastle. Dip shit owner who spunked a load of money, without any coherent plan, big club, went down, kept their players whod been so inferior in the top flight and brassed the league up.
The warning is what happened after the came back up, as bar one decent season, they've been circling the bowl. Lerner must go if we are not to repeat this nonsense in a few years time.
When they went down Ashley gambled and kept Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Nolan and Barton. Those four together with an emerging Andy Carroll were the spine.
It's impossible to predict how we'll do tbh until we see what sort of squad we'll have down there.
We don't have 4 players remotely as effective as those to start with.
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Why are we the new Sheffield Wednesday? Didn't they have crippling financial problems?
Lerner's lost interest completely, he'll want his money back, he won't get it back in any sale now, he'll take any money out of the club he can until he feels he's near even, then sell to whoever will pony up the cash. I don't trust him or anyone he's appointed at board level. He's going to fuck us over. For all the custodian bullshit he's spouted in the past. His actions have been completely contrary to those of a good custodian. This is going to end badly
Even if he doesn't do that, we might be stable now, but what about 2-3 years? We're awful enough to double drop without a significant change in our approach. We're not going down with a noose on our necks like Leeds did, or Portsmouth, but we have to be careful. I wouldn't trust Randy to look after a bag of chocolate coins the daft fucker.
I'm depressed, bordering on distraught at the current state of the club, but the last line of that post made me chuckle.
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A similar case would be Newcastle. Dip shit owner who spunked a load of money, without any coherent plan, big club, went down, kept their players whod been so inferior in the top flight and brassed the league up.
The warning is what happened after the came back up, as bar one decent season, they've been circling the bowl. Lerner must go if we are not to repeat this nonsense in a few years time.
When they went down Ashley gambled and kept Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Nolan and Barton. Those four together with an emerging Andy Carroll were the spine.
It's impossible to predict how we'll do tbh until we see what sort of squad we'll have down there.
We don't have 4 players remotely as effective as those to start with.
I think it's interesting you used the word 'effective' rather than 'good'. I can see what you're getting at. None of those 4 are very good players in my view, but they're scrappers - 7 out of 10 men every week.
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Colocini is absolute mince. Lescott, Okore, Amavi, Veretout, Gil, Traore are all good enough to steam hat league.
Gestede brassed the place up for God's sake. The second division is wank.
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A similar case would be Newcastle. Dip shit owner who spunked a load of money, without any coherent plan, big club, went down, kept their players whod been so inferior in the top flight and brassed the league up.
The warning is what happened after the came back up, as bar one decent season, they've been circling the bowl. Lerner must go if we are not to repeat this nonsense in a few years time.
When they went down Ashley gambled and kept Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Nolan and Barton. Those four together with an emerging Andy Carroll were the spine.
It's impossible to predict how we'll do tbh until we see what sort of squad we'll have down there.
We don't have 4 players remotely as effective as those to start with.
I think it's interesting you used the word 'effective' rather than 'good'. I can see what you're getting at. None of those 4 are very good players in my view, but they're scrappers - 7 out of 10 men every week.
We are absolutely crying out for someone like Nolan. Which is a bit depressing.
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if we can keep hold of Amavi, Veretout, Ayew, Gil, Traore, Gana and a few others, we have a chance
If we add a spine to those. A commanding keeper, centre back, centre mid and goal scorer then in a best case scenario, with a few astute additions to the squad too I'd be very confident of winning that division.
I'm not sure we will attract a good spine to the team though and I'm not that confident of keeping the few we have. If it does come together though, we can get back in 1 year.
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When we start going upwards not downwards the buyers will appear. My guess is that Randy will deaf them and put the price back up.
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Newcastle had leaders as well. Big voices to pick them up, even if they were gobshites. We don't we have the quietest bunch of players I've ever seen on a pitch, they accept whatever happens.
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A similar case would be Newcastle. Dip shit owner who spunked a load of money, without any coherent plan, big club, went down, kept their players whod been so inferior in the top flight and brassed the league up.
The warning is what happened after the came back up, as bar one decent season, they've been circling the bowl. Lerner must go if we are not to repeat this nonsense in a few years time.
When they went down Ashley gambled and kept Coloccini, Jose Enrique, Nolan and Barton. Those four together with an emerging Andy Carroll were the spine.
It's impossible to predict how we'll do tbh until we see what sort of squad we'll have down there.
We don't have 4 players remotely as effective as those to start with.
I think it's interesting you used the word 'effective' rather than 'good'. I can see what you're getting at. None of those 4 are very good players in my view, but they're scrappers - 7 out of 10 men every week.
Exactly, you need that spine and build around that. We have a number of decent team players but will still need to build the foundations of a team, my worry is that we won't.
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Who would be more attractive than us? We'd be easily the biggest and richest show in town. Even with Sunderland in there, their geographical location will hamper them as it has done in this league.
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Colocini is absolute mince. Lescott, Okore, Amavi, Veretout, Gil, Traore are all good enough to steam hat league.
Gestede brassed the place up for God's sake. The second division is wank.
You were telling us no way we would go down not long ago.
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And you were spitting your dummy out that we'd beaten Palace. This game is fun.
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It is fucking depressing that Newcastle and Stoke can bid £21 million for a player, regardless of what we perceive his value to be, but we operate like we are playing in the non-league.
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96mil from TV is reason they can spend that money , though in Newcastle's case thats not guaranteed
I'm not sure why Berahino would go there surely he knows better clubs would want him
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To be honest, if we're nowhere near a target to make us better, it's better that we don't sign anybody. The last thing we need is a budget option like Westwood or Bowery. Any signings we need need to come in straight away and do a job. I saw earlier we were linked to Sunderland's second choice keeper. I'm in a situation where I'll be steaming if we don't sign anybody and likely to be disappointed if we do.
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It is fucking depressing that Newcastle and Stoke can bid £21 million for a player, regardless of what we perceive his value to be, but we operate like we are playing in the non-league.
We've acted incredibly small time since O'Neill had the rug pulled from under (blue touch paper lit, now retiring to safe distance). Can we remove prepared from the crest and change it to ' surrendered'.
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Respectfully but where has this notion come from that Randy & Fox (now Hollis) are some kind of shrewd football wheeler dealers waiting for just the right moment to deploy strategic spending to transform our team into a good one?
They are not starving the club of transfer money to keep their powder dry. They are not spending money because we are Lerners forgotten asset and he just wants the problem to go away or be sold for a profit.
Assumptions that this will finally be the summer the club invests are more optimistic than I feel is warranted. Most sane people assumed this January was the window the club would obviously invest as there is no way they would simply accept relegation. But they have.
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I just think Lerner is trying to pay out as little as possible as he bides his time for a buyer. For all the written off loans, the fact is there have been titanic TV deals before the one coming up, and we've practically spent peanuts. I'm convinced there won't be huge amounts spent on a rebuild because it's not going to be worth his while.
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96mil from TV is reason they can spend that money , though in Newcastle's case thats not guaranteed
I'm not sure why Berahino would go there surely he knows better clubs would want him
Newcastle is perfect. Have a good season and do the dirty on them. If it doesn't pan ouit, sit on your big contract. Easy.
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And you were spitting your dummy out that we'd beaten Palace. This game is fun.
The Dummy's are those that think that these clowns will all of a sudden discover the correct way to run a Football club.
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on the flip side, have any clubs enquired about, made offers for, any of the shite floating about our squad?
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And you were spitting your dummy out that we'd beaten Palace. This game is fun.
The Dummy's are those that think that these clowns will all of a sudden discover the correct way to run a Football club.
Which reminds me that you never did say who those "so called spokes people" are.
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I just think Lerner is trying to pay out as little as possible as he bides his time for a buyer. For all the written off loans, the fact is there have been titanic TV deals before the one coming up, and we've practically spent peanuts. I'm convinced there won't be huge amounts spent on a rebuild because it's not going to be worth his while.
I don't see any serious buyer stepping forward until we've been relegated, promoted and had at least one stable season back in the Premier League.
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It is fucking depressing that Newcastle and Stoke can bid £21 million for a player, regardless of what we perceive his value to be, but we operate like we are playing in the non-league.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaEPKhLWYAAzf-L.jpg)
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I have resigned myself to relegation and did so before Xmas. We are holed below the waterline, the hole is too big to patch and we cannot bail out the water fast enough. What we must ensure is that we sink gradually, rather than list badly and capsize. If the latter, we will do major damage to the club and it will take years to repair. Apologies for the analogy but, to me, it reflects the crisis at the club.
Garde has started to get some response from some of the squad and he may feel that we have enough to stabilise the situation until the end of the season, having accepted the inevitable relegation. We could have spent reasonable money to help bail out the water faster but would it have had a different result. Do we have the money to spend big to do the virtually impossible, I doubt it and the implications of doing so and failing could send this club into a Portsmouth, Leeds, Sheffield Wednesday (and it looks like you can add Bolton to this list) situation. Football is now a business with massive money involved and financial mismanagement can cripple football clubs. I think Lerner has finally woken up to this and the fact you cannot play at this game.
As fans, we do not know what is written in each of the players' contracts. Whether they have relegation clauses that allow them to leave, reduction in wages, both etc. What is written in those contracts will determine the shape of the squad next season. Very painful lessons have to be learned about players' contracts, as to length, conditions and, not least, wages. What we cannot afford in the Championship is to have imbalanced squad as to ability and players' contracts. We need everybody to pull together.
I have read many comments about the new Chairman and being a businessman who never thought he would end up in football. Most comments have been along the lines of 'what does he know about football'. The question I have is how many Chairmen (or equivalent position) at other clubs are 'football' men or came into their current position as 'football' men. A well structured Board should be controlled by the Chairman but not dictated to. Each member should add something to the running of the company, with the Chairman making final recommendations to the owner/shareholders. In our case, the Chairman will be setting the parameters as to finances, direction and aspirations. Clearly, we need a strong person on the Board to represent the playing side of the club from 1st Team down to the Academy and how to link them to get the best results, whether it be togetherness or developing talent. The club is putting together this structure but we are still missing that strong personality that can reason/fight his corner at Board level. Like any business, we cannot put all our eggs (money) into one basket and have to structure our spending across the club. The sooner we get rid of staff that are not providing value for money, the sooner the club will rise back to the level where we should be playing to match the size of the club.
I have read comments about asset stripping and wonder if some people understand the finances of a football club. Man Utd. is the biggest commercial entity in English football and up there with Real Madrid and Barcelona in world football. They are worth £3bn. and the owners are looking for cost-cutting across the club. They are reported to be taking £15m a season out of the club as a return on their investment. This is peanuts compared to the value of the club but shows the fine balance in football between income and expenditure. Back to our situation and what assets are there to realise. Bodymoor Heath is on green-belt land (I think) and has no development value, Villa Park is built on land with low development value, the playing squad is reducing in value by the season and we know that it has to be trimmed (value-wise) to rebuild but there is not enough for Lerner to balance a depreciating value of his asset. So that brings you to the remaining item, which is income from the playing and commercial side. This is quite transparent, albeit in retrospect with annual accounts. All in all, I cannot see asset stripping being realistic as it damages the value of the club and what Lerner can get back for it. Mismanagement has already reduced the value significantly and I do not see Lerner committing financial suicide. Yes, I can see him not putting more money in but I cannot see him taking it out. As to the comment of selling everything and closing down, well, I never knew you could sell staff (what is the going rate for a groundsman these days!)
I am as p***** off as the next fan but I am at least looking at the picture realistically and looking from both sides. I work with and have friends who are fans of other clubs and get the usual 'stick' but this does not affect the way I look at things, I am stronger than that.
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I just think Lerner is trying to pay out as little as possible as he bides his time for a buyer. For all the written off loans, the fact is there have been titanic TV deals before the one coming up, and we've practically spent peanuts. I'm convinced there won't be huge amounts spent on a rebuild because it's not going to be worth his while.
Were a rapidly depreciating asset that he holds no interest in. For his and our sakes he needs to move us on and just take the financial hit. It's our only way back, otherwise we'll continue in the downward spiral of cost cutting we've been locked in.
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I just think Lerner is trying to pay out as little as possible as he bides his time for a buyer. For all the written off loans, the fact is there have been titanic TV deals before the one coming up, and we've practically spent peanuts. I'm convinced there won't be huge amounts spent on a rebuild because it's not going to be worth his while.
Were a rapidly depreciating asset that he holds no interest in. For his and our sakes he needs to move us on and just take the financial hit. It's our only way back, otherwise we'll continue in the downward spiral of cost cutting we've been locked in.
He has invested £250m-£300m in the club. I would say he has a big interest in it. It is easy to play with other peoples money. I should imagine £50m (or whatever) hit on selling the club makes him very interested. The guy does not know what he is doing and how to protect his investment but is very interested in his investment.
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I just think Lerner is trying to pay out as little as possible as he bides his time for a buyer. For all the written off loans, the fact is there have been titanic TV deals before the one coming up, and we've practically spent peanuts. I'm convinced there won't be huge amounts spent on a rebuild because it's not going to be worth his while.
Were a rapidly depreciating asset that he holds no interest in. For his and our sakes he needs to move us on and just take the financial hit. It's our only way back, otherwise we'll continue in the downward spiral of cost cutting we've been locked in.
You're completely right; however, the buyer, as ever, needs to be the right one. The dilemma would be, do we want to stay as a Lerner asset until another billionaire comes along, or would an enthustastic but relatively cash-strapped buyer be better?
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Nobody puts 4 new tyres on a car they are trying to sell.
Hollis is here to find a buyer, not spend more money.
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Nobody puts 4 new tyres on a car they are trying to sell.
Hollis is here to find a buyer, not spend more money.
Tuning up and getting better mpg is the order of the day, not giving it a re-spray. So it should be, first.
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Nobody puts 4 new tyres on a car they are trying to sell.
Hollis is here to find a buyer, not spend more money.
You might fix the flat tyres though.
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Nobody puts 4 new tyres on a car they are trying to sell.
Hollis is here to find a buyer, not spend more money.
You might fix the flat tyres though.
And the ashtray needs emptying out
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Nobody puts 4 new tyres on a car they are trying to sell.
Hollis is here to find a buyer, not spend more money.
You might fix the flat tyres though.
And the ashtray needs emptying out
The suitcase with the body parts in needs to go too.
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And what is that smell? We should probably do something about that too.
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Nobody puts 4 new tyres on a car they are trying to sell.
Hollis is here to find a buyer, not spend more money.
You might fix the flat tyres though.
And the ashtray needs emptying out
The suitcase with the body parts in needs to go too.
Probably should have wound the windows down too to keep the strays out.
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Pass Debuchy! No point in doing any silly business. We have a couple of games now for decision as we are getting close to all but confirmation so we need to reduce rather than take on burden.
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I'd quite like us to buy somebody.
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Pass Debuchy! No point in doing any silly business. We have a couple of games now for decision as we are getting close to all but confirmation so we need to reduce rather than take on burden.
Is he better than we have - yes
Does the manager want him - yes
Will he cost a lot of money - no
Will he stabilise the defence - hopefully
Will he improve us - hopefully
Is it value for money - based on above, yes
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Pass Debuchy! No point in doing any silly business. We have a couple of games now for decision as we are getting close to all but confirmation so we need to reduce rather than take on burden.
What a depressing post.
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£2.4 million for 13 games when he'll have no impact on us staying up is a waste of money.
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Do we "Pass Debuchy" on the left or right hand side???
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I'd quite like us to buy somebody.
Anybody?
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I hope twitter rumored of some guy from Metz are rubbish. A less impressive resume than Sylla
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Couldl someone inform me what the amount of the parachute payment is?
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According to twitter we're signing a young French player called Samy Kehli for 2m Euros tomorrow...
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I'd quite like us to buy somebody.
Clock strikes upon the hour
And the sun begins to fade
Still enough time to figure out
How to chase the blues away
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According to twitter we're signing a young French player called Samy Kehli for 2m Euros tomorrow...
He is 25 isn't he? Hardly young?
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Be still my beating heart
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samy_Kehli
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Couldl someone inform me what the amount of the parachute payment is?
From an earlier thread
Heard on the radio this morning that the team finishing bottom of the Premier League this season gets (roughly) the following:
£32m 'prize' fund.
£32m parachute payment in year 1
£14m parachute payment in year 2
£14m parachute payment in year 3
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I'd quite like us to buy somebody.
Anybody?
Well, anybody who would give us a bit of cheer!
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Be still my beating heart
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samy_Kehli
I've never heard of him before but confident that he'd be an upgrade on Westwood.
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Couldl someone inform me what the amount of the parachute payment is?
From an earlier thread
Heard on the radio this morning that the team finishing bottom of the Premier League this season gets (roughly) the following:
£32m 'prize' fund.
£32m parachute payment in year 1
£14m parachute payment in year 2
£14m parachute payment in year 3
To put it into context of the advantage we'll have, or should have. Middlesbrough had an entire revenue total last season of £16m.
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Be still my beating heart
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samy_Kehli
Not good enough for his Ligue 2 club so loaned out to Belgium. Old enough that its clear he is unlikley to ever develop into a top level talent. A sub average midfielder which ignores our most pressing need in the team.
Yup. Perfect new regieme signing. I believe this link.
Welcome Samy.
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If that's true it's yet another bargain basement player who is more than likely not good enough.
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Be still my beating heart
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samy_Kehli
Not good enough for his Ligue 2 club so loaned out to Belgium. Old enough that its clear he is unlikley to ever develop into a top level talent. A sub average midfielder which ignores our most pressing need in the team.
Yup. Perfect new regieme signing. I beleive this link.
Welcome Samy.
Typical of the type of player we've been signing for the last 5 years which the very reason we find ourselves in this mess.
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On the plus side, he scores a few. Which for a midfielder is alien to us, Actually, for any player it's alien to us.
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According to twitter we're signing a young French player called Samy Kehli for 2m Euros tomorrow...
He is 25 isn't he? Hardly young?
You're right. Plus the 'source' has said he's a striker, whereas everybody else has him down as midfielder. I'm calling bullshit on this one.
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Do we "Pass Debuchy" on the left or right hand side???
Very good!
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I just think Lerner is trying to pay out as little as possible as he bides his time for a buyer. For all the written off loans, the fact is there have been titanic TV deals before the one coming up, and we've practically spent peanuts. I'm convinced there won't be huge amounts spent on a rebuild because it's not going to be worth his while.
Were a rapidly depreciating asset that he holds no interest in. For his and our sakes he needs to move us on and just take the financial hit. It's our only way back, otherwise we'll continue in the downward spiral of cost cutting we've been locked in.
He has invested £250m-£300m in the club. I would say he has a big interest in it. It is easy to play with other peoples money. I should imagine £50m (or whatever) hit on selling the club makes him very interested. The guy does not know what he is doing and how to protect his investment but is very interested in his investment.
Lerner's detached disinterest over the past half decade is more than suggestive to me that he has lost interest. Yes he has spent a lot of money (in the main very badly), but he strikes me as a man who sees himself as a philanthropist rather than a businessman, hence his donations to the National gallery. In his mind he was restoring a grand old institution hence, the custodian shite he often spouts. The reality is without the protection from the football machine afforded by O'Neill, he realised he was woefully out of his depth and swimming with some pretty voracious sharks. I'm guessing he wanted out at this point but was in too deep, so he goes into hiding and hopes that whoever he appoints can protect him from having to deal with the mess he's got himself into.
Now he wants shot, a pampered privileged rich kid like Randy is not cut out for the cut and thrust at the sharp end of English football. He'll get back what he can then cut and run.
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Indeed. It's no coincidence that pretty much any player who could be considered a success in their time at Villa in the last few years has been in the £5 million plus bracket. I may have forgotten someone, but I can't think of any who have come in for less than that and actually been a success.
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Let's hope he has as big an impact as another Algerian bought from the French second division has had this season.
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On the plus side, he scores a few. Which for a midfielder is alien to us, Actually, for any player it's alien to us.
That would be nice. I am so beat down I genuinely would welcome him if he came , god knows I have been crying out for any signs of life from the club any signing would indicate at least a pulse.
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6m on Dwight Gayle tomorrow would be a decent move. Would give us something different.
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Indeed. It's no coincidence that pretty much any player who could be considered a success in their time at Villa in the last few years has been in the £5 million plus bracket. I may have forgotten someone, but I can't think of any who have come in for less than that and actually been a success.
Possibly Westwood? I dont know about "success" but we probably have got decent value for money out of him.
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According to twitter we're signing a young French player called Samy Kehli for 2m Euros tomorrow...
Second division of a poor league, has only played 250 minutes this season, costs bugger all. Sounds believable.
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Indeed. It's no coincidence that pretty much any player who could be considered a success in their time at Villa in the last few years has been in the £5 million plus bracket. I may have forgotten someone, but I can't think of any who have come in for less than that and actually been a success.
Possibly Westwood? I dont know about "success" but we probably have got decent value for money out of him.
He's been ok, but I'd say success is a push. He's played because we've not signed players of the required quality.
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Indeed. It's no coincidence that pretty much any player who could be considered a success in their time at Villa in the last few years has been in the £5 million plus bracket. I may have forgotten someone, but I can't think of any who have come in for less than that and actually been a success.
Possibly Westwood? I dont know about "success" but we probably have got decent value for money out of him.
Well he's played over 100 league games for us if that's what you mean. Absolutely dreadful player who is out of his depth in the Premier League though.
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According to twitter we're signing a young French player called Samy Kehli for 2m Euros tomorrow...
Second division of a poor league, has only played 250 minutes this season, costs bugger all. Sounds believable.
Riyad Mahrez from Leicester was from the second division of the French league, cost bugger all and had only scored 6 goals in 3 years.
It doesn't necessarily mean that he's shit. Probably, I'll grant you, but not definitely.
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According to twitter we're signing a young French player called Samy Kehli for 2m Euros tomorrow...
Second division of a poor league, has only played 250 minutes this season, costs bugger all. Sounds believable.
Riyad Mahrez from Leicester was from the second division of the French league, cost bugger all and had only scored 6 goals in 3 years.
It doesn't necessarily mean that he's shit. Probably, I'll grant you, but not definitely.
Indeed, it's about time we pulled a rabbit out of the hat and found a bargain.
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Second division of a poor league, has only played 250 minutes this season, costs bugger all. Sounds believable.
The board have started to prepare for next seasons relegation.
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Indeed. It's no coincidence that pretty much any player who could be considered a success in their time at Villa in the last few years has been in the £5 million plus bracket. I may have forgotten someone, but I can't think of any who have come in for less than that and actually been a success.
Possibly Westwood? I dont know about "success" but we probably have got decent value for money out of him.
Well he's played over 100 league games for us if that's what you mean. Absolutely dreadful player who is out of his depth in the Premier League though.
Gary Gardener should have been given a chance ahead of him when he was fit, not loaned out again.
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Indeed. It's no coincidence that pretty much any player who could be considered a success in their time at Villa in the last few years has been in the £5 million plus bracket. I may have forgotten someone, but I can't think of any who have come in for less than that and actually been a success.
Possibly Westwood? I dont know about "success" but we probably have got decent value for money out of him.
Well he's played over 100 league games for us if that's what you mean. Absolutely dreadful player who is out of his depth in the Premier League though.
Gary Gardener should have been given a chance ahead of him when he was fit, not loaned out again.
I think Gardener has been loaned out to get him up to speed for next year, rather than being a bit part player here for the rest of the season.
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Wonder how many decent corners Westwood has put in in those 100+ games?
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Indeed. It's no coincidence that pretty much any player who could be considered a success in their time at Villa in the last few years has been in the £5 million plus bracket. I may have forgotten someone, but I can't think of any who have come in for less than that and actually been a success.
Possibly Westwood? I dont know about "success" but we probably have got decent value for money out of him.
Well he's played over 100 league games for us if that's what you mean. Absolutely dreadful player who is out of his depth in the Premier League though.
Gary Gardener should have been given a chance ahead of him when he was fit, not loaned out again.
I think Gardener has been loaned out to get him up to speed for next year, rather than being a bit part player here for the rest of the season.
In my view though he shouldn't have been a bit part player. He can do no worse than Westwood, in my opinion you could drop him down a division and he'd still be anonymous, where as Gardener was viewed as one of Forests best players last season.
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Indeed. It's no coincidence that pretty much any player who could be considered a success in their time at Villa in the last few years has been in the £5 million plus bracket. I may have forgotten someone, but I can't think of any who have come in for less than that and actually been a success.
Possibly Westwood? I dont know about "success" but we probably have got decent value for money out of him.
Well he's played over 100 league games for us if that's what you mean. Absolutely dreadful player who is out of his depth in the Premier League though.
Gary Gardener should have been given a chance ahead of him when he was fit, not loaned out again.
I think Gardener has been loaned out to get him up to speed for next year, rather than being a bit part player here for the rest of the season.
In my view though he shouldn't have been a bit part player. He can do no worse than Westwood, in my opinion you could drop him down a division and he'd still be anonymous, where as Gardener was viewed as one of Forests best players last season.
I do not disagree with you but I think the future will be better by loaning him out. I think he could easily replace Westwood next season.
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Premier League spending on transfers in a single season could break the £1bn mark for the first time.
The 2014-15 campaign saw a record £965m spent, but this has already been surpassed this season and it is likely the final figure will be in excess of £1bn by Monday's 23:00 GMT deadline.
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Premier League spending on transfers in a single season could break the £1bn mark for the first time.
The 2014-15 campaign saw a record £965m spent, but this has already been surpassed this season and it is likely the final figure will be in excess of £1bn by Monday's 23:00 GMT deadline.
With purchases and sales, we have been involved with around 10% of that amount.
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According to twitter we're signing a young French player called Samy Kehli for 2m Euros tomorrow...
Second division of a poor league, has only played 250 minutes this season, costs bugger all. Sounds believable.
Riyad Mahrez from Leicester was from the second division of the French league, cost bugger all and had only scored 6 goals in 3 years.
It doesn't necessarily mean that he's shit. Probably, I'll grant you, but not definitely.
To balance it out, Yacouba Sylla was bought from the French 2nd Division.
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According to twitter we're signing a young French player called Samy Kehli for 2m Euros tomorrow...
Second division of a poor league, has only played 250 minutes this season, costs bugger all. Sounds believable.
Riyad Mahrez from Leicester was from the second division of the French league, cost bugger all and had only scored 6 goals in 3 years.
It doesn't necessarily mean that he's shit. Probably, I'll grant you, but not definitely.
To balance it out, Yacouba Sylla was bought from the French 2nd Division.
And helped keep us up. At the end of his first season he looked a bargain.
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Sylla was quite good in his first half season.
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According to twitter we're signing a young French player called Samy Kehli for 2m Euros tomorrow...
Second division of a poor league, has only played 250 minutes this season, costs bugger all. Sounds believable.
Riyad Mahrez from Leicester was from the second division of the French league, cost bugger all and had only scored 6 goals in 3 years.
It doesn't necessarily mean that he's shit. Probably, I'll grant you, but not definitely.
To balance it out, Yacouba Sylla was bought from the French 2nd Division.
And helped keep us up. At the end of his first season he looked a bargain.
Fair point Dave, he was good for the final few months of that season. Never quite worked out what happened to him after that though.
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I'd quite like us to buy somebody.
I'd quite like somebody to buy us.
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Fair point Dave, he was good for the final few months of that season. Never quite worked out what happened to him after that though.
Him and pretty much the entire team.
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I'd quite like us to buy somebody.
I'd quite like somebody to buy us.
Well, both, if possible. Before the window closes. And if they're solvent.
And if they like The Villa, of course!
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According to twitter we're signing a young French player called Samy Kehli for 2m Euros tomorrow...
Second division of a poor league, has only played 250 minutes this season, costs bugger all. Sounds believable.
Riyad Mahrez from Leicester was from the second division of the French league, cost bugger all and had only scored 6 goals in 3 years.
It doesn't necessarily mean that he's shit. Probably, I'll grant you, but not definitely.
To balance it out, Yacouba Sylla was bought from the French 2nd Division.
And helped keep us up. At the end of his first season he looked a bargain.
Fair point Dave, he was good for the final few months of that season. Never quite worked out what happened to him after that though.
Hardly surprising when replaced by the wonderful Richardson and Cole. Stella wasn't as bad as some made out but once Lambert went for the experience of the two named, oh and Ashley Fucking Useless Twat Westwood, he was bombed out.
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Sylla never played that many games for us did he?
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A couple of dozen games I think.
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Not a sniff of anything tomorrow.
15 more games of watching our attack.
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Not a sniff of anything tomorrow.
15 more games of watching our attack.
Tantalising isn't it?
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However you look at it Sylla was shit. We just got lucky to have found a gem in Benteke to keep us afloat for 3 seasons. As soon as Benteke got injured the goals stopped & we then replaced him with Rudy Gestede
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Surely Sky will be standing Pete Colley down for tomorrow. Or at least sending him to Albion's training ground for the day.
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Doumbia turned us down for Newcastle after advanced talks and us offering Roma more money
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12132866/Seydou-Doumbia-snubs-Aston-Villa-to-join-Newcastle-United-until-end-of-season.html
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Oh well, he's never 28 anyway, looks like he could be Joleon Lescott's dad.
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Another kick in the balls. But I can imagine many of our targets said exactly the same thing. Ours appears a hopeless cause and players just don't want to be a part of it.
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We are the footballing equivalent of a mahoosive bird with BO filling her face in Mr Egg at 3am on a Sunday morning openly discussing her back catalogue of sexually transmitted diseases.
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He looks older than me!
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The most common quote I've seen this window thus far is "Villa fail to..", sums up the season nicely I would say.
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I just think Lerner is trying to pay out as little as possible as he bides his time for a buyer. For all the written off loans, the fact is there have been titanic TV deals before the one coming up, and we've practically spent peanuts. I'm convinced there won't be huge amounts spent on a rebuild because it's not going to be worth his while.
Were a rapidly depreciating asset that he holds no interest in. For his and our sakes he needs to move us on and just take the financial hit. It's our only way back, otherwise we'll continue in the downward spiral of cost cutting we've been locked in.
You're completely right; however, the buyer, as ever, needs to be the right one. The dilemma would be, do we want to stay as a Lerner asset until another billionaire comes along, or would an enthustastic but relatively cash-strapped buyer be better?
I'll take anyone who is enthusiastic and engaged over the current brain donor owner...
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I'd quite like us to buy somebody.
Yes. Me too.
Is this still the Transfer Thread ?
Or the bash Lerner/Board/Garde/Players/Fans Thread ?
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One target. That's poor.
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I hear John terry is up for sale.
Not necessarily him, but there could be all sorts up for grabs tomorrow.
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One target. That's poor.
If it's Debuchy then it's a complete waste of time and money. He'll be gone in 14 games and we won't be staying up anyway so there's no point giving Arsenal money and paying his wages, he will make virtually no difference on his own.
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It was Doumbia I was referring to, although Debuchy does seem to be the 'see, we can still attract players' banker. Newcastle are spending like a weekend dad and Doumbia will be kicking around the foothills of the table until May, but how gutting is it that our one target decides after all the work we put in will be playing for that lot? I hope they get Berahino too so he has to mither around on the sub's bench.
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I just think Lerner is trying to pay out as little as possible as he bides his time for a buyer. For all the written off loans, the fact is there have been titanic TV deals before the one coming up, and we've practically spent peanuts. I'm convinced there won't be huge amounts spent on a rebuild because it's not going to be worth his while.
Were a rapidly depreciating asset that he holds no interest in. For his and our sakes he needs to move us on and just take the financial hit. It's our only way back, otherwise we'll continue in the downward spiral of cost cutting we've been locked in.
You're completely right; however, the buyer, as ever, needs to be the right one. The dilemma would be, do we want to stay as a Lerner asset until another billionaire comes along, or would an enthustastic but relatively cash-strapped buyer be better?
I'll take anyone who is enthusiastic and engaged over the current brain donor owner...
It takes more than enthusiastic and engaged. It takes some intelligence and thought behind it to.
It was blind, reckless, enthusiasm that sowed the seeds for the last 5 years. It's not that we've been badly run for 5 years, we've been badly run for nigh on ten. It was just the shiny sparkle of burning £50 notes distracted everyone until Lerner realised he probably shouldn't burn quite so many so quickly.
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Doumbia turned us down for Newcastle after advanced talks and us offering Roma more money
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/aston-villa/12132866/Seydou-Doumbia-snubs-Aston-Villa-to-join-Newcastle-United-until-end-of-season.html
But I thought we weren't signing players because we offer peanuts.
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We've been after 3 players that we know of, i'd fancy there's a few more we've made serious enquiries about.
As for Debuchy, as it seems highly unlikely we're signing much else i'd bin him. Not sure what the deadline is to play tomorrow but i'd have thought he won't be signed in time, he can't play against Arsenal so that's 13 games he can play. Sod paying the rumoured amounts for that.
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A right back with a keeper and a striker would be fine. A full back on his own is a waste of time. Save the money until summer and spend it on a permanent replacement for Hutton.
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Pass Debuchy! No point in doing any silly business. We have a couple of games now for decision as we are getting close to all but confirmation so we need to reduce rather than take on burden.
Is he better than we have - yes
Does the manager want him - yes
Will he cost a lot of money - no
Will he stabilise the defence - hopefully
Will he improve us - hopefully
Is it value for money - based on above, yes
What...a right back? I doubt very much if he will have enough impact at all on our results to dramatically change the equation. If he were to join us as permy yes loan till the end of season total waste.
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Kendrick seems to think the idea to bring in a keeper has been binned and tomorrow's efforts are all on a striker. I have to admit that it would have to be something bloody spectacular to rescue what has been a complete nothing of an attempt at survival.
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I doubt we'd have much change from a couple of million if we signed Debuchy on loan, for 13 games, that's a lot of money.
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2.4 million is what's been reported, which is far too much for 13 games in that position.
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But I thought we weren't signing players because we offer peanuts.
Peanuts is a convenient snack packet to be opened when cheap shot is required towards the Club.
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2.4 million is what's been reported, which is far too much for 13 games in that position.
Not a bad guesstimate then! I assume that includes wages?
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Sunderland want Micah Richards but we've rejected the initial offer.
The people running the place really are dumb. He's shit, why are we keeping him?
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Yeah, half his fee and the other the wages.
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I hear John terry is up for sale.
Not necessarily him, but there could be all sorts up for grabs tomorrow.
Yes once Newcastle complete the signing of Messi and Ronaldo it will leave the field clear for us to go for Neymar and Benzema.
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I just think Lerner is trying to pay out as little as possible as he bides his time for a buyer. For all the written off loans, the fact is there have been titanic TV deals before the one coming up, and we've practically spent peanuts. I'm convinced there won't be huge amounts spent on a rebuild because it's not going to be worth his while.
Were a rapidly depreciating asset that he holds no interest in. For his and our sakes he needs to move us on and just take the financial hit. It's our only way back, otherwise we'll continue in the downward spiral of cost cutting we've been locked in.
You're completely right; however, the buyer, as ever, needs to be the right one. The dilemma would be, do we want to stay as a Lerner asset until another billionaire comes along, or would an enthustastic but relatively cash-strapped buyer be better?
I'll take anyone who is enthusiastic and engaged over the current brain donor owner...
It takes more than enthusiastic and engaged. It takes some intelligence and thought behind it to.
It was blind, reckless, enthusiasm that sowed the seeds for the last 5 years. It's not that we've been badly run for 5 years, we've been badly run for nigh on ten. It was just the shiny sparkle of burning £50 notes distracted everyone until Lerner realised he probably shouldn't burn quite so many so quickly.
I agree entirely. Someone with less wealth than Lerner who is fully committed, has a plan that is executed correctly, employs the right people in the right roles, I'll welcome with open arms. If such an individual was as wealthy our wealthier than the current incumbent, I'd be in dreamland, but that's not going to happen is it? I'll take competent over Mr stupid every time.
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Sunderland want Micah Richards but we've rejected the initial offer.
The people running the place really are dumb. He's shit, why are we keeping him?
Selling to the one team that's relatively close to us would send out even more signals of giving up which Fox would be scared to do regardless of Garde's plans for Richards.
Anyway, like Veretout with Leicester, Richards had the chance to join Sunderland in the summer but turned them down. He can put up with the next four months of misery like the rest of us.
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Fair point Dave, he was good for the final few months of that season. Never quite worked out what happened to him after that though.
Him and pretty much the entire team.
Well that's true! I remember going to our annual pre season game at Bescot after Lambert's first season and it was clear then that Sylla had fallen out of favour. He was hardly seen after that.
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Think we'll try again for the Croatian keeper in the summer...he might have played a few friendlies for Croatia before the euros or we can send a Brummie girl over there for him to get to know...(didn't Bozzie do that when he moved to England?)
Just get a new striker in tomorrow please.
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Zigic is without a club!
/runs
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I hear John terry is up for sale.
Not necessarily him, but there could be all sorts up for grabs tomorrow.
Yes once Newcastle complete the signing of Messi and Ronaldo it will leave the field clear for us to go for Neymar and Benzema.
I realise it is dire but there is still time.
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Zigic is without a club!
/runs
There is a reason for that.
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Sunderland want Micah Richards but we've rejected the initial offer.
The people running the place really are dumb. He's shit, why are we keeping him?
Selling to the one team that's relatively close to us would send out even more signals of giving up which Fox would be scared to do regardless of Garde's plans for Richards.
I don't care who is in for him, I'd have him gone as quickly as possible.
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There's no bigger signal of giving up than signing no one, we might as well get the shit off the books too.
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Sunderland want Micah Richards but we've rejected the initial offer.
The people running the place really are dumb. He's shit, why are we keeping him?
Selling to the one team that's relatively close to us would send out even more signals of giving up which Fox would be scared to do regardless of Garde's plans for Richards.
I don't care who is in for him, I'd have him gone as quickly as possible.
I'm fairly confident we'd catch them quicker if he was playing for them.
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Zigic is without a club!
/runs
Off to arsenal I heard 😂
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Zigic is without a club!
/runs
Gestede is with a club
Doesn't.
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Zigic is without a club!
/runs
Gestede is with a club
Doesn't.
Very good
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Just had a look at the BBC gossip column for the morning. The currant bun are saying that we failed with a bid for Michu. Surely rubbish?
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Bid from Sunderland for Micah rejected apparently.
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Honestly I would rather trust an unwitting resident of Fox Hollies Road to oversee our transfer policy than Fox and Hollis.
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Just had a look at the BBC gossip column for the morning. The currant bun are saying that we failed with a bid for Michu. Surely rubbish?
He'd fit right in, another player who's barely played football for years. Oh and he plays for an amateur club now apparently. Supposedly we contacted them but the player doesn't think he is fit enough, after 14 months out.
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Back on Kalinic. I think David Cameron must've personally intervened to block the work permit to stop him joining West Ham.
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Just had a look at the BBC gossip column for the morning. The currant bun are saying that we failed with a bid for Michu. Surely rubbish?
I dont see how that is possible to fail in a bid. He is out of contract and playing amateur level isnt he? edit. just read aj2k77 post. Well that makes sense. If true fair play to the player for declaring he is just not fit enough.
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Which asks the question, why are we trying to sign a player who's been out for 14 months and currently plays amateur football? Have we completely run out of ideas? Where is this scouting network?
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Just had a little read of Michu's story. His ankle is fucked to pieces, he will not be playing top level football again, it doesn't sound like it would hold up at all to the rigours of it. What on earth are we thinking? The medical staff bored without Vlaar and Senderos to keep them company?
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Which asks the question, why are we trying to sign a player who's been out for 14 months and currently plays amateur football? Have we completely run out of ideas? Where is this scouting network?
I know its amazing. Quite impressive really. I declare this boards strategy "naff" , its one of the few words which covers all dimensions of the club.
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The effect of signing a player or two isnt just the direct impact that those signings have but also the knock on effect that it has on the players who are already at the club.
Newcase will stay up. We won't.
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If they don't, Mclaren won't manage again. That side is far too good to drop if they get Doumbia.
I wonder if Garde will have a go for Gomis from Swansea
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Just had a look at the BBC gossip column for the morning. The currant bun are saying that we failed with a bid for Michu. Surely rubbish?
Yeah rubbish it was Pikachu
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If they don't, Mclaren won't manage again. That side is far too good to drop if they get Doumbia.
I wonder if Garde will have a go for Gomis from Swansea
The papers are still linking him with Newcastle as well. Surely they wouldn't want Doumbia, Berahino and Gomis?
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Should imagine that they have tryed a number of signings, but for various reasons it has not happened, also sure that Remi and the famous transfer quango had options A, B and C for whatever positions they had identified and again alot of the names we are hearing are just lazy journalists not doing their research. The question that we will never know is what amount was Remi given to get these players, which of course would determine the level of quality.
The gap between parachute payment (34 mill) I believe and TV deal for Prem 99 million = 65 million, I would hazard a guess that Remi was told he had about 5 million max and they had to fall into our new wage structure, maybe that is why we have found it so hard to do any business.
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It's in The Sun so it absolutely must be true.
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No logic behind this but I have a lot of faith in Remi as for Fox and the rest of the hierarchy very little.
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There will be that many rumours flying around today, I wouldn't be automatically assuming the Michu one is true.
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Should imagine that they have tryed a number of signings, but for various reasons it has not happened, also sure that Remi and the famous transfer quango had options A, B and C for whatever positions they had identified and again alot of the names we are hearing are just lazy journalists not doing their research. The question that we will never know is what amount was Remi given to get these players, which of course would determine the level of quality.
The gap between parachute payment (34 mill) I believe and TV deal for Prem 99 million = 65 million, I would hazard a guess that Remi was told he had about 5 million max and they had to fall into our new wage structure, maybe that is why we have found it so hard to do any business.
Alternatively, we could have said "we're up for £99m so let's spend some to get players in that will bridge the 10 point gap".
Amazing approach, really.
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Well this it then the last day.I wonder if the committee had any intention of bringing in anybody? We shall see later on tonight.Remi should consider his options.
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Mister E agree with you totally but that is obviously not the case, we have heard stated enough times, throw the right amount and they will sign, not with our working figures.
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Now that Gabby is back in favour and loved by everyone, could Kozak be on his way out???
Personally i would sell virtually anyone, for me we need to start clearing the decks for the Championship.
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Well this it then the last day.I wonder if the committee had any intention of bringing in anybody? We shall see later on tonight.Remi should consider his options.
As someone wrote on Facebook:-
Transfer deadline day. Or to us Villa fans .......Monday
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Right Villa how about we fucking do something.
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We probably haven't paid for any paper for the fax machine.
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Tom Fox on 17th December 2015 "We're developing a network of scouts which the club have never had before to look into European football markets and I was pleased that we were able to attract someone of (sporting director) Hendrik Almstadt's quality from a great club like Arsenal."
So far nothing. What a fine job you are all doing. We might get a right back in (who we don't really need) and who's hanging on incase someone else comes in for him.
Shirt sales or season tickets won't be on the rise this summer Tom.
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Between 17th of December and now we lost three six pointers to Watford, Sunderland and Norwich and became adrift. That is the root cause of our recruitment problems.
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Between 17th of December and now we lost three six pointers to Watford, Sunderland and Norwich and became adrift. That is the root cause of our recruitment problems.
spot on,
that's when I finally realised we were going down
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It's in The Sun so it absolutely must be true.
But there's direct quotes from Michu and his brother.
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There will be that many rumours flying around today, I wouldn't be automatically assuming the Michu one is true.
His brother Hernan is team boss. He said: “I had a meeting with a person who works for Villa''
''I’ve had a few offers but I want to be honest with myself in terms of my fitness so I turned it down''
The Sun could also be fabricating the whole story but this isn't one of those mysterious ''sources suggest'' reports.
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Newcastle's splurge did make me think Gomis might be a rumour for us today, mostly because of the Lyon connection.
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The only problem with Gomis is he's really low on confidence isn't he? 1 goal in 5 months.
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Well, it's a moot point anyway since Sky have reported no expected signings today.
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I hope the barcodes DO stay up. They'll be massive competition for us in the Championship with that squad. Never actually thought I'd say that.
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Well, it's a moot point anyway since Sky have reported no expected signings today.
Good, if approaching Michu is anything to go by then we need to spend the next 4 months watching some football around Europe and make some smart decisions.
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Various twitter accounts (none attached to a recognised news outlet) reporting: Aston Villa have made a bid in the region of £4m for Toulouse striker Aleksandar Pešić #AVFC.
Goals record for Toulouse far from spectacular, but did score two in December 2015 which were alright: and .
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yawn
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First one the goalie should have got a hand on, second one clear handball. He would fit in perfectly.
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Comes to something when you would consider Ravel Morrison just to not see Westwood
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Comes to something when you would consider Ravel Morrison just to not see Westwood
Another one with batshit attitude problems. Jeez, the barrel bottom must be thinner than my hairline.
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Between 17th of December and now we lost three six pointers to Watford, Sunderland and Norwich and became adrift. That is the root cause of our recruitment problems.
Agreed. As we've seen with the 50 year old striker from Roma, its not even a cash thing. Nobody wants to come and join the relegation party and if you cannot get quality, then we shouldn't bother. That's mantra Lambert should have strongly considered.
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It is not that the club or the board have written off our chances of survival, it is the wider world of football that has written us off. It is like the captain of the Titanic inviting the passengers on the Carpathia to come aboard and enjoy the rest of the voyage. It is not a money thing now, it is about asking millionaire players to spend the winter in Birmingham fighting for their lives in relegation battles.
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Our transfer policy, as everything else at our club, is pathetic.
No strategy, foresight or planning, forget planning for the championship we should be going down kicking and screaming, trying everything in our power to get out of it, instead we are going down with a pathetic whimper.
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It is not that the club or the board have written off our chances of survival, it is the wider world of football that has written us off. It is like the captain of the Titanic inviting the passengers on the Carpathia to come aboard and enjoy the rest of the voyage. It is not a money thing now, it is about asking millionaire players to spend the winter in Birmingham fighting for their lives in relegation battles.
brilliant- nearly spilled my coffee!
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It really is depressing when the reality sets in that no-one worth having wants to join us. The whiff of failure and the flutter of the white flag is omnipresent at Villa Park. It feels as if everyone from the top to bottom has just given in.
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It is not that the club or the board have written off our chances of survival, it is the wider world of football that has written us off. It is like the captain of the Titanic inviting the passengers on the Carpathia to come aboard and enjoy the rest of the voyage. It is not a money thing now, it is about asking millionaire players to spend the winter in Birmingham fighting for their lives in relegation battles.
Reminds me of one of Kenneth William's favorite jokes. A drunk in the bar on The Titanic."Waiter I know I asked for ice in my drink but this is ridiculous!! "
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lafferty is available, I have no real knowledge on him, any views?
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It really is depressing when the reality sets in that no-one worth having wants to join us. The whiff of failure and the flutter of the white flag is omnipresent at Villa Park. It feels as if everyone from the top to bottom has just given in.
We really have had our expectations brilliantly lowered by the regime at VP haven't we. Proud history, bright future my arse. Proud history, bright green fungus more like.
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It is not that the club or the board have written off our chances of survival, it is the wider world of football that has written us off. It is like the captain of the Titanic inviting the passengers on the Carpathia to come aboard and enjoy the rest of the voyage. It is not a money thing now, it is about asking millionaire players to spend the winter in Birmingham fighting for their lives in relegation battles.
I think it goes beyond that Brian. My concern is that the wider world of football has written us off full stop, and frankly that's pretty understanable. We have been run with scarcely believable ineptitude for years now. I worry that our inability to attract players, assuming we're bothering to try and attract them, this transfer window will result in us ending up being cast adrift at the end of the season. Then come the summer those players we want might look at us and assume we're a shambles and not want to join then either.
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So this is how they do it (http://www.theguardian.com/football/video/2016/feb/01/how-to-create-the-perfect-transfer-rumour-video)
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So are we preparing for fuck all today?
I'm planning to watch nothing of SSN deadline day can't bear to see Jim White's fucking face
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Still hope two loans will come in, just hope to god one of them is a goal scorer.
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Wenger reckons it is unlikely that Debuchy will leave today.
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2 minutes till RG's presser, so this thread can be closed in 3 minutes
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Wenger reckons it is unlikely that Debuchy will leave today.
I thought that was a certainty, in all honesty I don't think it's what we need anyway
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Knowing our luck we will get two in and then miss the fing deadline by a couple of minutes, no reprieve as we are not Arsenal.
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If we miraculously win at West Ham tomorrow and beat Norwich on Saturday, we will be tantalizingly close to those above us. The club may well live to regret their lack of activity. All ifs buts and may be's I know but build, embed for a promotion push, don't go down without some pride ffs.
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If we miraculously win at West Ham tomorrow and beat Norwich on Saturday, we will be tantalizingly close to those above us. The club may well live to regret their lack of activity. All ifs buts and may be's I know but build, embed for a promotion push, don't go down without some pride ffs.
Imagine the lift if we went into these two massive games with two or three new players. We could be right back in the mix on Saturday night yet the club seems to have waved the white flag. It's quite unforgivable.
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Doumbia signs......for Newcastle.
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Think he was one Garde was quite keen on judging from his comments this morning. Big shame that.
It is pretty desperate that the brains trust could not identify 3-4 players to strengthen this team in January that would realistically come. They had time, it is pretty pathetic.
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If we miraculously win at West Ham tomorrow and beat Norwich on Saturday, we will be tantalizingly close to those above us. The club may well live to regret their lack of activity. All ifs buts and may be's I know but build, embed for a promotion push, don't go down without some pride ffs.
Imagine the lift if we went into these two massive games with two or three new players. We could be right back in the mix on Saturday night yet the club seems to have waved the white flag. It's quite unforgivable.
Totally agree. I am sure Fox and Hollis could have put together some package for potential signings heavily incentivised towards our staying up. The first interview with Hollis was revealing, likewise Tom Fox's statement about other clubs rolling the dice and paying over the odds. It's quite clear they have had very little intention of trying to save the Club this window. It's all utterly spineless and speaks volumes about the lack of genuine passion and pride in the Club at boardroom level. I'm saddened, angered and disgusted by the whole circus running this great football club and I want the lot of them gone. Their whole approach to running a football club is beyond extraordinary.
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Whilst it probably isn't easy attracting players to join us, it wouldn't be impossible.
I reckon it could be a feisty atmosphere on Saturday if we get turned over by the carrot munchers.
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Whilst it probably isn't easy attracting players to join us, it wouldn't be impossible.
I reckon it could be a feisty atmosphere on Saturday if we get turned over by the carrot munchers.
Naismith and Bamford score the goals too. It would not be a fun place to be.
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Whilst it probably isn't easy attracting players to join us, it wouldn't be impossible.
I reckon it could be a feisty atmosphere on Saturday if we get turned over by the carrot munchers.
It'll be like 86-87 all over again!
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Easy for me to say as being stuck out here, but I hope our support show the same level of commitment as the club has during this window, I know season ticket holders have forked out so cant blame them for going, but any match by match supporter, I hope tells them to stuff it.
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The problem is, they've clearly tried to sign somebody and a goal scorer that looked decent too on paper, even going so far as to outbid the competition. We cannot escape the point Brian and others have made; our fate was sealed against Watford, Norwich and Sunderland in terms of transfer targets of any reasonable quality and a s a result, our relegation was all but confirmed.
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The problem is, they've clearly tried to sign somebody and a goal scorer that looked decent too on paper, even going so far as to outbid the competition. We cannot escape the point Brian and others have made; our fate was sealed against Watford, Norwich and Sunderland in terms of transfer targets of any reasonable quality and a s a result, our relegation was all but confirmed.
Nothing is confirmed though Ads. Beat West Ham and Norwich and we have a lifeline. Other upcoming games are against inconsistent teams. Who knows what might happen?
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Easy for me to say as being stuck out here, but I hope our support show the same level of commitment as the club has during this window, I know season ticket holders have forked out so cant blame them for going, but any match by match supporter, I hope tells them to stuff it.
If you're already stuck with your ticket (like me) then fair enough, but other than that don't give them a penny. Don't buy a beer, a bovril, a programme or a pie.
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Think he was one Garde was quite keen on judging from his comments this morning. Big shame that.
It is pretty desperate that the brains trust could not identify 3-4 players to strengthen this team in January that would realistically come. They had time, it is pretty pathetic.
I agree it's absolutely pathetic. From a moral point of view alone we desperately needed new players.
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The problem is, they've clearly tried to sign somebody and a goal scorer that looked decent too on paper, even going so far as to outbid the competition. We cannot escape the point Brian and others have made; our fate was sealed against Watford, Norwich and Sunderland in terms of transfer targets of any reasonable quality and a s a result, our relegation was all but confirmed.
Nothing is confirmed though Ads. Beat West Ham and Norwich and we have a lifeline. Other upcoming games are against inconsistent teams. Who knows what might happen?
Absolutely. I'm 9/10 sure we'll go down, but its that other 10% of my brain/heart that shouts the loudest.
I'd have loved to have seen us role the dice and it seems that we have at least targeted players, the main one being a striker, but with no good coming from chucking money at that situation. There are others players and I assume we've tried elsewhere and had similar issues.
As I see it, if you're a good player, you wouldn't come to us in the situation we're in, as there will be better offers. I am of the view that we'd be better holding onto our cash than spending it on yet more pap simply for the sake of it, if we cannot get quality in. We've had a gutful of poor players and we're reaping that particular whirlwind right now.
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Micah Richards has been linked with a move to Sunderland, while Joelon Lescott is a reported target for LA Galaxy.
Garde said: "No chance, he is going nowhere he has many games to play for Aston Villa.
"Joleon too is going nowhere, people may have wishes but they know they are staying here".
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The problem is, they've clearly tried to sign somebody and a goal scorer that looked decent too on paper, even going so far as to outbid the competition. We cannot escape the point Brian and others have made; our fate was sealed against Watford, Norwich and Sunderland in terms of transfer targets of any reasonable quality and a s a result, our relegation was all but confirmed.
Nothing is confirmed though Ads. Beat West Ham and Norwich and we have a lifeline. Other upcoming games are against inconsistent teams. Who knows what might happen?
Absolutely. I'm 9/10 sure we'll go down, but its that other 10% of my brain/heart that shouts the loudest.
I'd have loved to have seen us role the dice and it seems that we have at least targeted players, the main one being a striker, but with no good coming from chucking money at that situation. There are others players and I assume we've tried elsewhere and had similar issues.
As I see it, if you're a good player, you wouldn't come to us in the situation we're in, as there will be better offers. I am of the view that we'd be better holding onto our cash than spending it on yet more pap simply for the sake of it, if we cannot get quality in. We've had a gutful of poor players and we're reaping that particular whirlwind right now.
You've summed up how I feel and think, Ads. Agree 100%.
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Right, I have been working away this morning so can someone please bring me up to speed on our signings so far?
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The other thing that makes me slightly cynical to this idea that had we been closer to safety we'd have got the players in is that we haven't over the past few years have we? We've just about survived over the last 3 or 4 years and I can't remember any signings of note in January. If we were in 17th now I'd be surprised if we'd have spent more than £5 million and it's that lack of ambition that is a major factor in where we are today.
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Easy for me to say as being stuck out here, but I hope our support show the same level of commitment as the club has during this window, I know season ticket holders have forked out so cant blame them for going, but any match by match supporter, I hope tells them to stuff it.
If you're already stuck with your ticket (like me) then fair enough, but other than that don't give them a penny. Don't buy a beer, a bovril, a programme or a pie.
Sounds like the Blues approach to me. I can't see what that would achieve, it wouldn't get us sold any quicker.
Anyway, fans will make up their own minds.
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I am hearing that Newcarrssul have now bid £25m for Berahino - surely that cannot be right, it is utter madness.
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Ads, appreciate what you are saying, but again pre- planning and god forbid we do what other clubs do and tap players up, should have identified and agreed in theory the logistics of the move, which should also have included any work permit issues, also have more than one suitable target.
You state that players have turned us down, the only one who has turned us down and that it is stated we have talked to is the twat that's gone to Newcastle, Debauchy we have decided not to pay the loan fee, understandable as it is only for 5 months , 13 games.
I also appreciate your view but do not agree with it, that the players in the squad now will piss the league next year. If I was a player at Villa now and I am talking about the Veretout, Ayew and the other only average players we signed this summer and I had an relegation, escape clause in my contract, maybe just maybe I would be willing to stay and take a drop if I truly believed the club was showing at least the foundations of ambition and looking to turn around a soul destroying season of defeat after defeat, as even the manager has stated has had a major effect on the players confidence, prior to playing Tamworth and Bromsgrove in freindlies in June
As stated easy for me to say I am thousands of miles away, but when ever I have got home I always try to get to a game, if I was home on Saturday they could shove it.
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Oh and Walsall its not Blues at all, this is 5 years of constant under investment, bad management and now showing nothing but disrespect for the supporters and the great club which is ours, by throwing in the towel by the 1st February, if they cant give a fuck why should the support.
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I am hearing that Newcarrssul have now bid £25m for Berahino - surely that cannot be right, it is utter madness.
He's a good player who could score the goals to keep them up. Speculate to accumulate and all that.
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Speculate to accumulate, you have some strange ideas Saunders for a Villa fan!!!!!!
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The other thing that makes me slightly cynical to this idea that had we been closer to safety we'd have got the players in is that we haven't over the past few years have we? We've just about survived over the last 3 or 4 years and I can't remember any signings of note in January. If we were in 17th now I'd be surprised if we'd have spent more than £5 million and it's that lack of ambition that is a major factor in where we are today.
I think the situation is different this time around in the sense that one gets the impression that there's more money available this time around. Now, obviously you can't claim that with any real certainty, but on each occasion in January 2013, 2014 and 2015, we were coming off summer windows where we'd spent very little. This time around, we'd earned ourselves a pile in the summer through sales, and there's the looming prospect of the new TV deal. On that basis, it's far more believable to think that money was available and they would've been willing to spend it on calculated gambles in order to secure the place at the table for next season's jackpot.
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It does show how much clubs seem to know how much they will potentially lose next year though if they go.....but don't worry we don't fear relegation according to Fox Hollies.
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I am hearing that Newcarrssul have now bid £25m for Berahino - surely that cannot be right, it is utter madness.
He's a good player who could score the goals to keep them up. Speculate to accumulate and all that.
Even if you could persuade him to come, you'd really spend £25M on that waster?
We've got enough of his shit attitude with the likes of Richards and Gabby, without spending that amount on him.
Thank god I'm not you're bank manager, I bet he shits bricks every time the January sales come around.
For the record, as far as I can see he's a 1 in 4 striker. Not what we need, but I guess it would at least be a Proper Premier League Fee with Proper Premier League Wages.
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Passit, the net spend over the summer was minimal, yes there were alot of players brought in, but as with other windows quantity over quality, not replacing like with like
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The thing is, Newcastle are going to have to make a crazy wage offer to Berahino, otherwise why would he move? He wants Champions League football, not a high likelihood of Championship football.
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Garde just on Sky - Villa struggling to sign players, he has identified targets but ht eclub "for ine reason or another" cannot fland them. Confirmed that Richards and Lescott will not be allowed to leave this season.
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Isn't Berahino much closer to being a 1 in 2 striker when he starts?
General sense from the press conference with Garde this am seems to be that he is very frustrated and has recommended signings to the board.
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I think we'll keep hold of our better players, as I don't think the wages back in France compete with what we pay, even with a 30% deduction for relegation. Given that they're on 4 and 5 year deals, selling them would create quite a lot of funds in any event to replace them.
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Passit, the net spend over the summer was minimal, yes there were alot of players brought in, but as with other windows quantity over quality, not replacing like with like
Of the players we actually spent decent money on; Amavi upgrade on anyone at left back, Veretout - upgrade on Westwood, Ayew - upgrade on Weimann; Gueye - mostly disappointing replacement for Delph; Gestede totally inadequate replacement for Benteke.
It's the Gestede signing that's killed us. Anyone half decent that could have managed a 1 in 3 - 1 in 4 strike rate whilst actually being able to move and hold the ball up would have totally transformed the side as we'd have been 1.) less predictable, 2.) more of a goal threat, 3.) better at ball retention in the final 3rd; all of which would have taken some of the pressure of the back 6.
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Passit, the net spend over the summer was minimal, yes there were alot of players brought in, but as with other windows quantity over quality, not replacing like with like
Why the f**k do so many people care about net spend, it's a meaningless value to base everything around but some on here act as it's the only possible thing that could make us a decent team. We spent a lot of money in the summer, where it came from is completely irrelevant other than it created 2 extra gaps to fill. The issue, yet again, was that we had a manager who, instead of identifying a playstyle and formation and getting 11 players to work in that just bought players he liked the look of and then tried to make a team out of them. Over the last 6-7 years we've spent enough money to be safely top half, we've just spent it really badly on players that either don't fit at all or only worked for 1 manager and were gubbins once he left.
What Garde needed to do this window was find the right players for the club, we know that he identified at least 2, 1 agreed to join but couldn't get a work permit and the other decided to go elsewhere. If he has others that he thinks can come in and fit what he needs then I hope he goes after them today but I really hope he doesn't abandon that principle and buy anyone just to say he's made a signing, that helps no one.
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Quote from Garde
‘It was also a financial problem, yes. But it is not my job to explain that to you again. Probably the club realised mistakes has been made in the past, probably they didn’t want to do it again.
‘As a new manager I would have expected new faces to support my change. Not only for me but the club, team, squad to be strengthen very good decision. We missed these two targets. It’s unfortunate.’
Garde added: ‘It took me a few weeks to have an assessment and I made a recommendation to the board to try to sign players to the team, we need that. ‘Some games we are close to compete, then we need a little bit of quality. I cannot do more. I tried to sign them, I worked on very hard, but for different reasons we couldn’t.’
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VID yes Gestede has been a nightmare and the others might have been in some cases a upgrade on what we had, but that was not going to be hard and I am sorry those players you mentioned have still only garnered two wins up to the 1st February.
Sorry again quantity over quality even thou some of them were not cheap.
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Easy for me to say as being stuck out here, but I hope our support show the same level of commitment as the club has during this window, I know season ticket holders have forked out so cant blame them for going, but any match by match supporter, I hope tells them to stuff it.
If you're already stuck with your ticket (like me) then fair enough, but other than that don't give them a penny. Don't buy a beer, a bovril, a programme or a pie.
Sounds like the Blues approach to me. I can't see what that would achieve, it wouldn't get us sold any quicker.
Anyway, fans will make up their own minds.
Its not particularly intended to achieve anything - I just don't feel like giving them any more of my money when we are being taken for granted.
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Looks like Aston Villa, Sunderland & Manchester United target Mathieu Debuchy will join Bordeaux on loan until the end of the season.
Another one to knock off the list
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Paul E quite right about net spend, that was in answer to a statement that money was available, but again we went down the line of quantity not quality and if we wanted quality as well as quantity we would have spent alot more.
Sell Benteke for 32 and try and replace for 9, good plan that.
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According to the text thingy on the Beeb Michu has turned us down. Don't know whether to be sad or glad.
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Paul E quite right about net spend, that was in answer to a statement that money was available, but again we went down the line of quantity not quality and if we wanted quality as well as quantity we would have spent alot more.
Sell Benteke for 32 and try and replace for 9, good plan that.
Well, we didn't pay much more than that to buy him in the first place.
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Quote from Garde
‘It was also a financial problem, yes. But it is not my job to explain that to you again. Probably the club realised mistakes has been made in the past, probably they didn’t want to do it again.
‘As a new manager I would have expected new faces to support my change. Not only for me but the club, team, squad to be strengthen very good decision. We missed these two targets. It’s unfortunate.’
Garde added: ‘It took me a few weeks to have an assessment and I made a recommendation to the board to try to sign players to the team, we need that. ‘Some games we are close to compete, then we need a little bit of quality. I cannot do more. I tried to sign them, I worked on very hard, but for different reasons we couldn’t.’
So the board have fucked him over basically
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Garde just on Sky - Villa struggling to sign players, he has identified targets but ht eclub "for ine reason or another" cannot fland them. Confirmed that Richards and Lescott will not be allowed to leave this season.
Am I the only one who read that like the Policeman in Allo Allo?
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That doesn't exactly sound like a harmonious relationship does it. Feel for the bloke I really do.
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Quote from Garde
‘It was also a financial problem, yes. But it is not my job to explain that to you again. Probably the club realised mistakes has been made in the past, probably they didn’t want to do it again.
‘As a new manager I would have expected new faces to support my change. Not only for me but the club, team, squad to be strengthen very good decision. We missed these two targets. It’s unfortunate.’
Garde added: ‘It took me a few weeks to have an assessment and I made a recommendation to the board to try to sign players to the team, we need that. ‘Some games we are close to compete, then we need a little bit of quality. I cannot do more. I tried to sign them, I worked on very hard, but for different reasons we couldn’t.’
So the board have fucked him over basically
Quite probably judging by that and he ain't happy. I'm worried now that this is going to get worse yet unbelievably.
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That doesn't exactly sound like a harmonious relationship does it. Feel for the bloke I really do.
I cant imagine for one moment though that anyone thought we would have won only one league game since his appointment.
Just seen Garde's press conference. I am not expert in body language but he doesn't seem the happiest of bunnies.
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It all reads like he's been fucked over by the board. It wouldn't surprise me if he walks very shortly.
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Well at least the club have finally succeeded in making the 'Senderos/Cole/Richardson' transfer-window seem like a successful one.
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Looks like Aston Villa, Sunderland & Manchester United target Mathieu Debuchy will join Bordeaux on loan until the end of the season.
Another one to knock off the list
I just read that arsenal didn't want a loan?
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Well at least the club have finally succeeded in making the 'Senderos/Cole/Richardson' transfer-window seem like a successful one.
Possibly even worse than the Dawkins January
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
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I think we'll keep hold of our better players, as I don't think the wages back in France compete with what we pay, even with a 30% deduction for relegation. Given that they're on 4 and 5 year deals, selling them would create quite a lot of funds in any event to replace them.
Most of the better players will have get out 'relegation clauses' in their contracts, with probably a maximum fee of what Villa paid for them so it is hardly going to create 'a lot of funds'!
You then have the added problem of convincing 'better' players to join a championship club on a shoestring budget!
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Rumor that Loic Remy off to Leicester on permanent deal according to Talkshite
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Quote from Garde
‘It was also a financial problem, yes. But it is not my job to explain that to you again. Probably the club realised mistakes has been made in the past, probably they didn’t want to do it again.
‘As a new manager I would have expected new faces to support my change. Not only for me but the club, team, squad to be strengthen very good decision. We missed these two targets. It’s unfortunate.’
Garde added: ‘It took me a few weeks to have an assessment and I made a recommendation to the board to try to sign players to the team, we need that. ‘Some games we are close to compete, then we need a little bit of quality. I cannot do more. I tried to sign them, I worked on very hard, but for different reasons we couldn’t.’
This is worrying. He sounds like a man at the end of his tether. Reading between the lines he's not been backed, he may walk come the end of the season. We're in far deeper shit than I'd considered...
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Brilliant so now we're driving Garde out the door as well. I truly do not see any light at the end of the tunnel, Garde was it but now he's clearly pissed off, our board is completely fucking hopeless.
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I am hearing that Newcarrssul have now bid £25m for Berahino - surely that cannot be right, it is utter madness.
He's a good player who could score the goals to keep them up. Speculate to accumulate and all that.
Even if you could persuade him to come, you'd really spend £25M on that waster?
We've got enough of his shit attitude with the likes of Richards and Gabby, without spending that amount on him.
Thank god I'm not you're bank manager, I bet he shits bricks every time the January sales come around.
For the record, as far as I can see he's a 1 in 4 striker. Not what we need, but I guess it would at least be a Proper Premier League Fee with Proper Premier League Wages.
His logic beggars belief. The reason we are in the shit is due to overspend and lack of ROI of such spending and subsequent poor decision making.
And when he turns into at best a 1 in 6 striker and his value reduces by 40% when we are relegated and puts us in an even worse financial position then what?
Like Gideon's reinflation of the housing market which was the main cause/contributory factor to the early 90's recession and in 2008. Let's do it again and hope for a better result.
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
So just more for him to waste on shit then.
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Even though I'm telling everyone its over and we're going down, deep down there was hope that we would snag a top up and coming striker from Europe or some decent surplus from other premier league sides.
The total lack of activity and now Remi's trip to negative town really does feel like the end of the road for us. I couldn't give a toss if other people think we're deluded, I expect better from my club than apathetic surrender to the championship however unlikely survival seems.
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
So just more for him to waste on shit then.
And all the chicken he can eat
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
So just more for him to waste on shit then.
How is that even possible? Them having more money?
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Well at least the club have finally succeeded in making the 'Senderos/Cole/Richardson' transfer-window seem like a successful one.
Possibly even worse than the Dawkins January
In a sea of absolute horse manure - this made me laugh. Like a Watergate type motion picture 'The Dawkins January.'
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Quote from Garde
‘It was also a financial problem, yes. But it is not my job to explain that to you again. Probably the club realised mistakes has been made in the past, probably they didn’t want to do it again.
‘As a new manager I would have expected new faces to support my change. Not only for me but the club, team, squad to be strengthen very good decision. We missed these two targets. It’s unfortunate.’
Garde added: ‘It took me a few weeks to have an assessment and I made a recommendation to the board to try to sign players to the team, we need that. ‘Some games we are close to compete, then we need a little bit of quality. I cannot do more. I tried to sign them, I worked on very hard, but for different reasons we couldn’t.’
So the board have fucked him over basically
or possibly some of the requests being made by players simply made no sense financially especially given where it appears we are going. At the end of the day what he's saying about the board making financial decisions is the same at every club. I honestly believe we were closer to safety we'd be taking more risks, but our position has changed the environment in which we are operating. He also said he spoke to Doumbia for a long time but in the end he went somewhere else, so it's not like he wasn't being supported on certain deals. He also cited disappointed at Kalinic falling through. None of this makes for good reading but being where we are has contributed to the environment changing, and either players choosing other clubs or the club being presented with figures that would might put us in a bad position should relegation take place.
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
Any chance of him rocking up with his cheque book to re - sign some of the complete shite he fucking bought here ?
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
Looking forwards to watching him spend £50m then, the fucking bull shitter.
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I think we'll keep hold of our better players, as I don't think the wages back in France compete with what we pay, even with a 30% deduction for relegation. Given that they're on 4 and 5 year deals, selling them would create quite a lot of funds in any event to replace them.
Most of the better players will have get out 'relegation clauses' in their contracts, with probably a maximum fee of what Villa paid for them so it is hardly going to create 'a lot of funds'!
You then have the added problem of convincing 'better' players to join a championship club on a shoestring budget!
Who will pay good money for Veretout, Gestede, Gueye or Traore? No one.
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
So just more for him to waste on shit then.
How is that even possible? Them having more money?
It's not that difficult. Yesterday I found a fifty pence piece down the back of the settee so now I have more money than Villa.
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Quote from Garde
‘It was also a financial problem, yes. But it is not my job to explain that to you again. Probably the club realised mistakes has been made in the past, probably they didn’t want to do it again.
‘As a new manager I would have expected new faces to support my change. Not only for me but the club, team, squad to be strengthen very good decision. We missed these two targets. It’s unfortunate.’
Garde added: ‘It took me a few weeks to have an assessment and I made a recommendation to the board to try to sign players to the team, we need that. ‘Some games we are close to compete, then we need a little bit of quality. I cannot do more. I tried to sign them, I worked on very hard, but for different reasons we couldn’t.’
So the board have fucked him over basically
or possibly some of the requests being made by players simply made no sense financially especially given where it appears we are going. At the end of the day what he's saying about the board making financial decisions is the same at every club. I honestly believe we were closer to safety we'd be taking more risks, but our position has changed the environment in which we are operating. He also said he spoke to Doumbia for a long time but in the end he went somewhere else, so it's not like he wasn't being supported on certain deals. He also cited disappointed at Kalinic falling through. None of this makes for good reading but being where we are has contributed to the environment changing, and either players choosing other clubs or the club being presented with figures that would might put us in a bad position should relegation take place.
The problem is this lack of decent investment has been going on for some while now, and is more than likely going to result in us being relegated.
And missing out on an awful lot of money.
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
So just more for him to waste on shit then.
How is that even possible? Them having more money?
how does he even fucking know? He's a bullshitter of the highest order.
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Seriously though, with all the fucking penny pinching of the last few years to drive down the wage budget, what are we spending on wages now? It must be low
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
So just more for him to waste on shit then.
How is that even possible? Them having more money?
And that's the point, ignoring who Lambert chooses to sign. How do Blackburn who have been in the Championship for a few years, have by all accounts pretty terrible owners. How have they got more to spend than a club who has been in the Premier League for all of the years of ludicrous television deals. It's fucking ridiculous.
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
So just more for him to waste on shit then.
How is that even possible? Them having more money?
how does he even fucking know? He's a bullshitter of the highest order.
I'd say it's a safe bet. If he had a fiver to spend at Blackburn it'd be more than we're spending this window.
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Seriously though, with all the fucking penny pinching of the last few years to drive down the wage budget, what are we spending on wages now? It must be low
we've still got some decent contracts on the books plus some of ex managers still being paid off I imagine.
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Seriously though, with all the fucking penny pinching of the last few years to drive down the wage budget, what are we spending on wages now? It must be low
Less than the Albion , a tin pot club with a ground from the 1970's and an average attendance of about what we got against Man City the other day when no one could be arsed to go. But they are now consistently outspending us. At least over the past 3 seasons they have.
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I'd be interested to see what Lambert signings cost versus what has been recouped for them. Given that Benteke made a >£20million profit I'd reckon his purchases must be close to cost neutral. The real dirge like Richardson, Westwood, and Bennett didn't cost much, and I think we would get a decent fee for Okore.
MON for all the high wage issues at least spent on Milner, Delph, Young and Downing all of whom went for a tidy profit.
McLeish on the other hand signed Given, NZogbia, Hutton and Hollman all of which have brought nothing back in.
Houllier spent big on Bent, and also Makoun who both went on free transfers.
Sherwoods signings are unlikely to bring much back when they leave, Ayew, Amavi and Vertout might get what we paid for them but the rest we would be lucky to get anything back.
We will never know about Garde, as I don't think he will be allowed to sign anyone before he quits.
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Sign a decent striker, we have a wafer thin chance of survival. So now, basically, it's over. If I was Garde I'd have told them to shove their job.
Incidentally, my day was made complete by having a Liverpool fan beg me to have Benteke back.
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and the rich get richer as Pep confirmed as Man City manager next season
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The £102m net debt according to the last set of accounts might have something to do with it. Albeit that was May 2014, this years will be interesting due at the end of Feb aren't they.
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I'm sick of football right now.
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VID yes Gestede has been a nightmare and the others might have been in some cases a upgrade on what we had, but that was not going to be hard and I am sorry those players you mentioned have still only garnered two wins up to the 1st February.
Sorry again quantity over quality even thou some of them were not cheap.
If you can't see that just a better signing would have meant a drastic improvement to the team as a whole, for the reasons I stated then fair enough, we'll have to disagree, but the majority of the business was OK.
You accept that we've improved in some of the areas that were absolute weakest areas last year, so that must make the first 11 stronger, until you get to the 2 big departures.
Even Lescott is starting to look like a professional footballer for the most part, now that he's getting regular game time and not playing alongside Richards.
Illori and Crespo - low cost gambles.
Richards - Hopefully he'll go walkabout permanently sometime soon.
Gestede - Disastrous that he's our main striker - would have been OK as a bench option or understudy to a decent striker.
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Gueye - Inconistent and so far ultimately disappointing replacement for Delph.
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Bunn - looks like decent business for a No.2 Goalkeeper
Lescott - Showing his age, but looking better after a run of games.
Amavi - Looked very promising. Vast improvement on Richardson/Bennett/Luna. Defensively not as good as Cissokho, but light years ahead going forwards.
Veretout - As he's started to settle in has looked like our best centre midfielder since Petrov. Should see the end of Westwood as a starter.
Ayew - Huge upgrade on Weimann.
So 6 out of 10 are at least OK, 1 is a jury's out and 3 are write off's. 2 of those 3 were low cost gambles and the last should have been in the "at least OK" pile, but a combination of ego and arrogance seem to have parked him in the "I'm a Disgruntled Footballer, Get Me Out of Here" auditions list.
(Incidentally we should start calling Richards "the Aussie", so often does he go walkabout.)
If anyone else had managed a 65% strike rate on their transfers we'd be wittering on about how come they manage it when we can't. The lack of a decent centre forward is what has killed us.
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The £102m net debt according to the last set of accounts might have something to do with it. Albeit that was May 2014, this years will be interesting due at the end of Feb aren't they.
So we're. A £102m in the hole to the brain donor. We really are going to be the new Sheffield Wednesday...
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The £102m net debt according to the last set of accounts might have something to do with it. Albeit that was May 2014, this years will be interesting due at the end of Feb aren't they.
Wasn't all the debt written off by Mr Burns?
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If memory serves correctly that was after he converted the £90m from debt to equity as well.
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Well he might as well set fire to the loan notes because he's not going to make a penny from this club, it's all down the pan. Actually whilst he's at it he might as jump on top of the fire too.
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I think a lack of a coherent defence until Lescott and Okore came together too, and Richards and Hutton being played week in week out, on top of the Amavi injury. The kick in the nads was Okore and Lescott not being able to play games in quick succession, so having to sit out of the game at Norwich and then only 1 coming back in at Sunderland. If it were next week, I am fairly confident Garde would pick them together for the Sunderland away fixture. Couple that with the loss of Snachez in the West Ham game, causing their goal but also being a huge factor in our instability in the next 2, it was a very unfortunate learning period.
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To be honest, I wasn't expecting us to go out and spend silly money bearing in mind where we are but I expected us to bring a couple in at least. Him speaking to Doumbia does sound at least like they tried to back him but he obviously chose to go elsewhere. The other one in Debuchy does sound like a financial thing. He mentions 'two players' so I presume those are the two he wanted. Whether he gave them a back up list is anyone's guess but he doesn't come across as someone who would just buy anyone. All in all, very disappointing but not surprising.
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I think a lack of a coherent defence until Lescott and Okore came together too, and Richards and Hutton being played week in week out, on top of the Amavi injury. The kick in the nads was Okore and Lescott not being able to play games in quick succession, so having to sit out of the game at Norwich and then only 1 coming back in at Sunderland. If it were next week, I am fairly confident Garde would pick them together for the Sunderland away fixture. Couple that with the loss of Snachez in the West Ham game, causing their goal but also being a huge factor in our instability in the next 2, it was a very unfortunate learning period.
When you take over a club on the back of so many defeats, a number of new players from another country trying to bed in against the backdrop of a manager who didn't want them, throw in all of the things you mention just made the situation that much more difficult to deal with. It's no wonder we went backwards before we started to show some signs of forward momentum. Add dressing room dissent from established players like Gabby, players who should have been helping rather than hindering. Chaos is a good way of putting it.
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There has been lots alluded to about Gabby - what exactly is it he has supposedly done / not done?
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The problem is now without any new players to give a bit of a spike of optimism the remainder of the season is just going to be a series of games where we're waiting to be put out of our misery. It's going to be fucking horrible and there hasn't been much indication of hope beyond this season.
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We are going to get Odemwingie, I can feel it. It makes sense - we are desperate and he knows the area
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I mean we can't even get a Fucking loan deal. Pretty desperate I'm sure you'll agree
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
So just more for him to waste on shit then.
How is that even possible? Them having more money?
how does he even fucking know? He's a bullshitter of the highest order.
Not surprising is it? It's an easy narrative for McLeish, Lambert and Sherwood to now feed the gullible press. If anything they can spin it to show themselves in a positive light (look where they are now, I did a good job to keep them up in the circumstances etc).
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I think a lack of a coherent defence until Lescott and Okore came together too, and Richards and Hutton being played week in week out, on top of the Amavi injury. The kick in the nads was Okore and Lescott not being able to play games in quick succession, so having to sit out of the game at Norwich and then only 1 coming back in at Sunderland. If it were next week, I am fairly confident Garde would pick them together for the Sunderland away fixture. Couple that with the loss of Snachez in the West Ham game, causing their goal but also being a huge factor in our instability in the next 2, it was a very unfortunate learning period.
When you take over a club on the back of so many defeats, a number of new players from another country trying to bed in against the backdrop of a manager who didn't want them, throw in all of the things you mention just made the situation that much more difficult to deal with. It's no wonder we went backwards before we started to show some signs of forward momentum. Add dressing room dissent from established players like Gabby, players who should have been helping rather than hindering. Chaos is a good way of putting it.
A cluster fuck of a shit storm is another way.
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To be honest, I wasn't expecting us to go out and spend silly money bearing in mind where we are but I expected us to bring a couple in at least. Him speaking to Doumbia does sound at least like they tried to back him but he obviously chose to go elsewhere. The other one in Debuchy does sound like a financial thing. He mentions 'two players' so I presume those are the two he wanted. Whether he gave them a back up list is anyone's guess but he doesn't come across as someone who would just buy anyone. All in all, very disappointing but not surprising.
Its sad. Like we hardly exist anymore. Years of terrible decisions results in todays complete inactivity.
I've got sympathy for Garde and he's getting respect I think from supporters because he's having to deal with a complete shit sandwich.
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We're a good day out for opposition fans and a cushty pay day for nothing footballers. Apart from that, currently, what is the point to us?
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Remi just said Deals weren't completed because of "financial reasons" and spoke about past mistakes. He cut a very frustrated figure.
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I just checked the last set of accounts again.
Mr Lerner's loan notes were reduced from £107m to £17m following the £90m conversion from debt to equity.
The bank overdraft went up to £17.8m from £13m.
The net debt remains at £102m even after the £90m conversion.
TV revenue was £72.7m, gate receipts £12.8m.
Ansell I mean Hollis might have an idea on fixing this, just sayin'.
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Steven Fletcher off to Marseille!
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We're a good day out for opposition fans and a cushty pay day for nothing footballers. Apart from that, currently, what is the point to us?
Away fans are seriously pissing me off. Sitting so close to them in the Doug Ellis Upper.
I'll always follow the shirt though and I'll be there next season. Hopefully visiting fans aren't so happy.
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Fuck all.
Even Aiden McGeady on loan might have given some supply to Gestede for 4 months.
That Santos for 300k! What is there to lose having a punt on him up front. As it is tomorrow night we have Sinclair, Gabby and Ayew fit.
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Fuck all.
Even Aiden McGeady on loan might have given some supply to Gestede for 4 months.
That Santos for 300k! What is there to lose having a punt on him up front. As it is tomorrow night we have Sinclair, Gabby and Ayew fit.
That's will be the first time in five years for Agbonlahor.
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Steven Fletcher off to Marseille!
That must be on holiday? Surely the club who play there are not signing him?
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Fuck all.
Even Aiden McGeady on loan might have given some supply to Gestede for 4 months.
That Santos for 300k! What is there to lose having a punt on him up front. As it is tomorrow night we have Sinclair, Gabby and Ayew fit.
I do wonder how good that Santos is when he hasn't moved despite a League 1 club being able to afford him.
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I think Ayew might actually start crying playing up top with those two thickos. He's seemed on the verge of it for months now.
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So we have failed to sign any of Remi's targets (Kalinic, Doumbia and Debuchy) and he has travelled with the rest of the squad to West Ham.
So it's either nothing doing for the next 9 hours or the 'transfer committee' work their magic and pull a rabbit out of the hat and we get a new striker in... I know what my money is on.
Absolutely shambolic just about sums up my feelings about this transfer window
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
So just more for him to waste on shit then.
How is that even possible? Them having more money?
And that's the point, ignoring who Lambert chooses to sign. How do Blackburn who have been in the Championship for a few years, have by all accounts pretty terrible owners. How have they got more to spend than a club who has been in the Premier League for all of the years of ludicrous television deals. It's fucking ridiculous.
That's if it's true.
Does he mean more money to spend this transfer window than last January - and is that dependent on a Mug Punter spending 10m on Rhodes as is likely the case? Blackburn are in dire financial straights which they have little chance of escaping short of 5 consecutive seasons in the Premier League.
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Fuck all.
Even Aiden McGeady on loan might have given some supply to Gestede for 4 months.
That Santos for 300k! What is there to lose having a punt on him up front. As it is tomorrow night we have Sinclair, Gabby and Ayew fit.
I do wonder how good that Santos is when he hasn't moved despite a League 1 club being able to afford him.
If he moves then he is of more use to us than the mobile phone mast that is Gestede.
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Steven Fletcher off to Marseille!
That must be on holiday? Surely the club who play there are not signing him?
pool cleaner
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I wouldn't believe Mr "I offered to resign twice" Lambert when it comes to anything.
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The meek surrender sticks in my craw.
I appreciate we're in a difficult place, but we should be fighting and kicking to save ourselves.
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Steven Fletcher off to Marseille!
The Scottish Gestede
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Well they're going to have to be very busy between now and the start of next season. Big work to be done, again.
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Well they're going to have to be very busy between now and the start of next season. Big work to be done, again.
That was the case even if we brought in 2 or 3 this time.
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I thought Garde might have a few young, french players up his sleeve - raw talent. Cheapish.
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Even McGeady dropped a division. Off to Wednesday.
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I thought Garde might have a few young, french players up his sleeve - raw talent. Cheapish.
We'd only be spending the next 6 months kidding ourselves that they're competent and bedding in anyway before they turned in to more Syllas and Lunas.
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I think Garde is a decent, honourable man but after the debacle this transfer window I can see him walking after the game tomorrow, sadly
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We are going to get Odemwingie, I can feel it. It makes sense - we are desperate and he knows the area
Knowing our luck he'd end up at Blose's car park, demanding a move to anywhere but Villa.
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I like to think I've kept my powder dry so far, and refused to rush to judgement as the month has worn on.
But now I feel fairly comfortable in reaching the conclusion that we currently have the single most useless bunch of arseholes robbing a living running, sorry that's the wrong word, ruining our club.
They can all fuck off, the fucking charlatans. A pox on them. They must get through gallons of Ovaltine.
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I think Garde is a decent, honourable man but after the debacle this transfer window I can see him walking after the game tomorrow, sadly
Well surely if he was going to walk he'd do it today. Don't buy all this leaving bollocks
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I think Garde is a decent, honourable man but after the debacle this transfer window I can see him walking after the game tomorrow, sadly
This or very soon. I think he must have been aware of some of the shit going on but not to the extent we're at now. It wouldn't surprise me at all if he walked.
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The meek surrender sticks in my craw.
I appreciate we're in a difficult place, but we should be fighting and kicking to save ourselves.
Yep regardless of the gap, we are the only club who have clearly just completely given up.
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I think Garde is a decent, honourable man but after the debacle this transfer window I can see him walking after the game tomorrow, sadly
And who would blame him. 15 more games. 15 more post match conferences to try and get through.
He'll have some serious respect from me though if he does stay and mastermind a brave new Villa era.
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I think Garde is a decent, honourable man but after the debacle this transfer window I can see him walking after the game tomorrow, sadly
And who would blame him. 15 more games. 15 more post match conferences to try and get through.
He'll have some serious respect from me though if he does stay and mastermind a brave new Villa era.
If he does that he'll be the best manager in the game.
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Despite this season being dreadful I've tried to remain optimistic.....Until today. Its clear that Randy and the rest of the ****** on the board will only be happy when its confirmed that this club is playing in the second tier. Any remote hope will be done and dusted at 11pm tonight. If it meant being relegated to get an owner that had the clubs interests at heart I'd take it. I can't put into words the hatred I feel towards those utter wankers at the helm of our club, all I know is it makes me feel very nauseous.
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Abject surrender.
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They may as well have sold the players that will leave due to relegation.
Great example to our young fans. Idiots.
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I think Garde is a decent, honourable man but after the debacle this transfer window I can see him walking after the game tomorrow, sadly
And who would blame him. 15 more games. 15 more post match conferences to try and get through.
He could always just click the "Send Assistant" button. It's what I'd do.
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I think Garde is a decent, honourable man but after the debacle this transfer window I can see him walking after the game tomorrow, sadly
He may or may not walk but many fans will.
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I think Garde is a decent, honourable man but after the debacle this transfer window I can see him walking after the game tomorrow, sadly
And who would blame him. 15 more games. 15 more post match conferences to try and get through.
He'll have some serious respect from me though if he does stay and mastermind a brave new Villa era.
Does that I will be starting a thread only reserved for the might of Milner on here.
Which one would score more in the Championship next season, Rhodes or Dwight Gayle? About 2m difference in fee, but surely one of the 2 is worth getting into the side now in the hope they could bed in before next season and score the goals to bring us back.
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I think Garde is a decent, honourable man but after the debacle this transfer window I can see him walking after the game tomorrow, sadly
Well surely if he was going to walk he'd do it today. Don't buy all this leaving bollocks
Today is not over yet...
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I think Garde is a decent, honourable man but after the debacle this transfer window I can see him walking after the game tomorrow, sadly
And who would blame him. 15 more games. 15 more post match conferences to try and get through.
He'll have some serious respect from me though if he does stay and mastermind a brave new Villa era.
15 more games and 45 more points to play for and the board throw in the towel.
Hollis on taking over said something about a disconnet between club and fans , well its getting ever wider ..
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Are there even any rumours about us signing anyone?
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Are there even any rumours about us signing anyone?
We're not and Remi has said as much
"Probably the main reasons we haven't been able to are that we are bottom of the league and not very attractive for players - and also because financially-speaking the club is not in the situation, probably, where they wanted to spend too much money.
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I'm surprised that this thread hasn't been locked
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According to "Football Spy" in the "Mirror", we have signed nobody but have got rid of Senderos,Cole,Bennett & Crespo.
I was aware of the first two, but thought the other two were out on loan till the end of the season.
Any ideas ?
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First Timer
Lerner, Fox, Hollis, Reilly and Almstadt haven't just failed to bring someone in to-day. the transfer window has been open since 1.1.16. when all our shortcomings were already obvious. ie goalscorer. Addressing this earlier could have secured 1 point vs sunderland and 2 extra points in each of the games vs leicester and the bitter baggies meaning we'd be 5 points better off and within touching distance of the team in 17th. That may have made a difference to potential incoming players choosing Villa and we wouldn't be discussing the issue of it being too late on 31.1.16. The muppet decision makers named and shamed above are all guilty of negligence. Shame on them all for bringing down my great club! They are ultimately responsible for the current poor state of AVFC. I'm VTID but there is no way I will support Lerner and his cronies. They are fcking bullshitters acting only on their own interests; the american dollar!
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Amazing considering the lack of goals in our forward line that we have not managed to at least signed what could be considered a goalscorer
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According to "Football Spy" in the "Mirror", we have signed nobody but have got rid of Senderos,Cole,Bennett & Crespo.
I was aware of the first two, but thought the other two were out on loan till the end of the season.
Any ideas ?
Your right.
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According to "Football Spy" in the "Mirror", we have signed nobody but have got rid of Senderos,Cole,Bennett & Crespo.
I was aware of the first two, but thought the other two were out on loan till the end of the season.
Any ideas ?
Your right.
You're right
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Well I'm going Saturday but think that will be my last match this season as I refuse to let the so called board take the piss out of me anymore. Feel sorry for Remi.Feel heartbroken for us fans.Feel nothing but contempt for the chances who are running our club. They make Del boy seem like an astute businessman.
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The whole 'who wants to come when you're bottom of the league' thing is fair enough, it must have an impact and make it more difficult, but were we not able to sign a single player who could improve us?
Really? Impossible?
I'm gobsmacked if we're seriously going to go through this window without making a single fucking signing.
It beggars belief.
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The whole 'who wants to come when you're bottom of the league' thing is fair enough, it must have an impact and make it more difficult, but were we not able to sign a single player who could improve us?
Really? Impossible?
I'm gobsmacked if we're seriously going to go through this window without making a single fucking signing.
It beggars belief.
It is up there with think Alex McLeish was a good idea.
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The whole 'who wants to come when you're bottom of the league' thing is fair enough, it must have an impact and make it more difficult, but were we not able to sign a single player who could improve us?
Really? Impossible?
I'm gobsmacked if we're seriously going to go through this window without making a single fucking signing.
It beggars belief.
Maybe for permanent deals, but loan signings?
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I also read this morning Lambert saying he's got more money at Blackburn then he had here.
Any chance of him rocking up with his cheque book to re - sign some of the complete shite he fucking bought here ?
and they would be their level too .
Mid table championship standard .
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I sometimes wonder if Lerner is on a 5 year mission to destroy AVFC.....he's done sterling job so far!
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The whole 'who wants to come when you're bottom of the league' thing is fair enough, it must have an impact and make it more difficult, but were we not able to sign a single player who could improve us?
Really? Impossible?
I'm gobsmacked if we're seriously going to go through this window without making a single fucking signing.
It beggars belief.
Maybe for permanent deals, but loan signings?
We could have made signings but as Remi said himself today the board were not prepared to finance them.
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The whole 'who wants to come when you're bottom of the league' thing is fair enough, it must have an impact and make it more difficult, but were we not able to sign a single player who could improve us?
Really? Impossible?
I'm gobsmacked if we're seriously going to go through this window without making a single fucking signing.
It beggars belief.
If you offer players enough money they will go anywhere.....its as.simple as that. Bottom or Top. We are not offering suitable money so we are not going to get anybody. Newcastle have signed Doumbia (is it?) because Ashley is prepared to pay the wages!
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Ravel Morrison would be a good room mate for N'zogbia if he comes.
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I feel sorry for Garde
but Lerner does not deserve anybody to buy a season ticket next season. I hope the fans boycott him . as he seems to not give a claret and shit about us and the club .
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The whole 'who wants to come when you're bottom of the league' thing is fair enough, it must have an impact and make it more difficult, but were we not able to sign a single player who could improve us?
Really? Impossible?
I'm gobsmacked if we're seriously going to go through this window without making a single fucking signing.
It beggars belief.
I think it's become a bit of an excuse, to be honest. That it makes it more difficult to sign players, I've no doubt, as it means you have to likely pay players over the odds to get them to come, but the problem is that they clearly aren't prepared to do that. It's a continuation of a theme we've seen for years now: just do enough to get by, no more. The problem with that is, as anyone who knows football knows, it only leads one way, and that is down.
It's difficult to see this as anything other than the final act of surrender in a tragedy (or farce, depending on your point of view) that has been a long time in the making.
How Garde is supposed to motivate the players from here, I have no idea.
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My obvious concern is if we start next season badly, will the same apply in the January 2017 transfer window?
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The whole 'who wants to come when you're bottom of the league' thing is fair enough, it must have an impact and make it more difficult, but were we not able to sign a single player who could improve us?
Really? Impossible?
I'm gobsmacked if we're seriously going to go through this window without making a single fucking signing.
It beggars belief.
Is Remi not inspirational enough to talk one single player into becoming a hero and helping this fantastically big football club to stay up. Is Remi a part of the same regime and not that fussed about bringing them in? I am amazed that we can't get an Inler, Charlie Adams, Fletcher, Odemwingie or some young kid from, say, Leeds who we can't embed for three months. Something is wrong and Remi needs to stop talking in riddles and tell the truth. Doumbia wanted the barcodes but there isn't another player on the planet as a back up plan?
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That'll teach me, no more optimistic outlook from me. I thought we would get someone in.
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The whole 'who wants to come when you're bottom of the league' thing is fair enough, it must have an impact and make it more difficult, but were we not able to sign a single player who could improve us?
Really? Impossible?
I'm gobsmacked if we're seriously going to go through this window without making a single fucking signing.
It beggars belief.
It would be believable if we weren't bottom of the league with 2 wins in 23 games and only 18 goals. Some people talk like we are needing an upgrade on decent players. We've a team mostly full of one paced donkeys and cloggers. It could have been done. We've ballsed the window up.
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The whole 'who wants to come when you're bottom of the league' thing is fair enough, it must have an impact and make it more difficult, but were we not able to sign a single player who could improve us?
Really? Impossible?
I'm gobsmacked if we're seriously going to go through this window without making a single fucking signing.
It beggars belief.
My sentiments exactly. I refuse to believe that we couldn't have identified 'gettable' targets this month. We have a dedicated transfer-committee FFS. There must literally be hundreds of players out there who would have jumped at the chance of a few months of Premiership wages and year on slightlyless who'd be upgrades on the likes of Richards, Clark, Guzan, Richardson, etc.
Absolutely unforgivable.
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I sometimes wonder if Lerner is on a 5 year mission to destroy AVFC.....he's done sterling job so far!
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Yes the Luftwaffe in the five years at war, did less damage to Aston than Randy has in his Tenure.
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What is the point of this much vaunted (by the tools that are running the club) upgraded scouting network if we are not going to spend any money on players. Perhaps they have been employed to scout for clubs that will buy our remaining squad!
They may as well fire all the scouts, not worth paying them a wage really is it.
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Id take Adam and Crouch now .
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What is the point of this much vaunted (by the tools that are running the club) upgraded scouting network if we are not going to spend any money on players. Perhaps they have been employed to scout for clubs that will buy our remaining squad!
They may as well fire all the scouts, not worth paying them a wage really is it.
Further more what really was the point in sacking Sherwood? I'm not blaming Garde for the shit we're in, but has he actually made any difference at all? At the absolute least I expected his links with Arsenal and/or Lyon to help us in this window but even that hasn't materialised. It seems to me that the club have just managed to waste a few more million quid in compounding our demise.
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Id take Adam and Crouch now .
I'd take Adam and Joe now.
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Id take Adam and Crouch now .
I'd fucking welcome them like the Ewoks welcomed C3PO.
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Id take Adam and Crouch now .
I'd take Adam and Joe now.
adam ant and Joe Pasquale
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Id take Adam and Crouch now .
I'd take Adam and Joe now.
I'd take the chuckle brothers.
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Well its certainly giving the rest of the PL a laugh
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The whole 'who wants to come when you're bottom of the league' thing is fair enough, it must have an impact and make it more difficult, but were we not able to sign a single player who could improve us?
Really? Impossible?
I'm gobsmacked if we're seriously going to go through this window without making a single fucking signing.
It beggars belief.
Indeed. Like you say I get that it's hard, and that Aaron Ramsey doesn't probably see us as a huge step up from Arsenal. But you look for someone slightly out of favour with their club, and then ram in a whole load of insane bonuses for helping to keep us up. Or somebody doing the business is a lesser league, etc etc. Signing nobody at all is just taking the fucking piss.
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Have we got some bad news coming in the annual accounts this month or something?
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even if we have they will seem like ambrosia compared to next year's
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Well its certainly giving the rest of the PL a laugh
You know I think the majority of the league feel for us.
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The whole 'who wants to come when you're bottom of the league' thing is fair enough, it must have an impact and make it more difficult, but were we not able to sign a single player who could improve us?
Really? Impossible?
I'm gobsmacked if we're seriously going to go through this window without making a single fucking signing.
It beggars belief.
Yep I agree it's a load of bollocks. There must be so many players who would improve us and if the right project was sold to them they'd come. Our position is being used as an excuse to make fuck all effort. It's a disgrace and the remaining games will be a misery.
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How can we sell the club to anyone right now though when everything anyone hears about us at the moment is negative or downbeat?
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What a complete and total fucking shambles. Not only are we being relegated, we're not even making any effort to avoid our fate.
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Where is Tom Flux and where the Fox is Max?
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I'd take the chuckle brothers.
They would be great at Tiki-Taki.
To me, to you, to me, to you.
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What a complete and total fucking shambles. Not only are we being relegated, we're not even making any effort to avoid our fate.
We're not being thrown out kicking and screaming. We've gone and fetched our own coat and slinked off whilst everyone else is getting pissed and enjoying the party. I've never see a club act as pathetic as we have this season.
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we have become so limp
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I'd take the chuckle brothers.
They would be great at Tiki-Taki.
To me, to you, to me, to you.
Applause on an otherwise shocking day.
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I think it's an indication that in all probability the gate on Saturday will become the norm from now on. Anybody who wants to spend the next few months watching a pathetic farewell lap is a much better man than I.
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I wonder how many half season ticket this club have sold in December. It is disgraceful we had not manage to bring someone in to help us with lack of goals. I won't be buying a season ticket next year. I am saving my money for trip to USA, and I want to see how we are performing next season. I am sick of the shit they serve at Villa Park. I want European football, exciting football, exciting players and games against Barcelona, Inter Milan, Atletico Madrid and co. Not interested in games against Wycombe or Norwich. I am fed up with football media and people acting and thinking we are a small club. We are a big club and it is about time we start acting like one not be a pathetic hopeless team.
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As others have pointed out, Players in the first week of the season could have got us extra points in some of the matches. Instead we hear a story approx 10th Jan that they were flying across to discuss potential buys with Randy.
Three weeks later and the inevitable outcome of that dithering comes out. But it shouldn't be any surprise as we traditionally don't seem to bother with January since we bought Bent.
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Here are the Principal Risks and Uncertainties as stated in the last set of accounts (and I always thought these weren't made up).
'The key risk facing any club in the Premier League is that of relegation. The Board attempts to mitigate this risk by providing the manager with first class training facilities (true enough) and appropriate payroll and transfer budgets and through generous support to the academy.'
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Strong rumours of signings at Villa Park today. It was in the offices, a couple of letters apparently.
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Perhaps because everybody knew it would be very quiet at Villa Park today, Tom Fox and co have taken a day's annual leave which Randy authorized.
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Let's be honest. If you do give up your ST for next year. It's not going to be hard to get tickets on the day!!
This is the darkest time for us since following in 1990.
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I feel sorry for the season ticket holders in all this. I'm not one because of Lerner Fox and co but I still go to the majority of home games. They paid their money last close season for the WHOLE season only to find that Lerner and the so called board have given up on 31.12.15. I would be wanting a refund!!!!Its OK for the fans to invest in the whole season but Lerner, Fox etc clearly aren't as they are only intent on lining their own pockets. Shameful!!!!
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Our 'transfer committee' worked day and night on their laptops analysing players for the whole year on their mega salaries to obtain the right players to save us from our fate.
Transfer deadline day has come, our fate has been decided by them, so they are not fit to stay in the job.
A total, utter, shambles from top to bottom, they deserve all that's coming to them, which is next season being battered by the likes of MK Dons.
Once again, many thanks Lerner from an Aston Villa fan of fifty years.
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Imagine if General Footinmouth walked around the Holte on a match day now the reception he'd get.
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Nothing short of a disgrace >:(
Garde has been well and truly hung out to dry in this window.
Any discussion about a new chairman and transfers should have gone on in December and Garde backed with the signings he asked for. Personally I hope he walks.
The club can stuff it this season now, i'll stick to non league for 6 months and see what the summer brings, no doubt more misery from this bunch of baffoons.
Well done Randy you've finally killed us off.
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Meanwhile at Bodymoor Heath, Tom and his faithful chief of recruitment are doing everything to keep #AVFC up.
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Absolutely shocking. That is all.
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already planning for the championship. absolute hopeless.
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Disgraceful, absolute wankers running our club!!
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once we are down . They deserve an empty Villa Park.
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already planning for the championship. absolute hopeless.
Not even the championship I imagine.
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I would love to be a fly on the wall in Nigel Pearson's house at this moment. They will be googling up Sutton Coldfield estate agents.
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I think this kind of spiteful disdain for our history and fans deserve some serious protests
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I'm disappointed we seem to have been unable, for one reason or another, to bring in any players in. But I think in all honesty there is too much wrong to fix quickly & too much ground to make up on those above us. We've effectively thrown the towel in.
I understand those who say we should have given it a go but at what cost & would it make any difference?
Say we spent £30m plus wages on 4 players (assuming they want to come here) but still went down. Those players wouldn't want to hang around & would we get our money back? Then in the summer we can't bring in the players we want because we've blown our budget trying to achieve the impossible. As much as it hurts I think we have to accept that they've done the right thing.
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I would love to be a fly on the wall in Nigel Pearson's house at this moment. They will be googling up Sutton Coldfield estate agents.
Once Garde has decided to marche I reckon Pearson will be found under the trinity Odemwinge style.
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already planning for the championship. absolute hopeless.
Not even the championship I imagine.
Getting rid of deadwood does not do anything to support the Manager, other than he has a few less to coach and hand bibs too. They are not getting prepared for the Championship. To do so would take foresight, not something that our regime is capable of.
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The club is now a mirror of it's owner, listless, insipid, passive, incoherent, grey. For shame its an abomination you have perpetrated Lerner
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Honestly I am shocked.
I didn't expect any decent players to sign during this window, we are as all have said not an attractive proposition. But fuck me if there wasn't at least one player out there who could improve us. One player who needs game time before the Euros, one player who plays for a team in one of the secondary leagues around Europe, one fucking god damn player who plays in the Championship and sees Villa as a step up from their current club.
Apparently not, silly me
I fully expect Garde to go at the end of the season and I wouldn't blame him one bit.
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Id take Adam and Crouch now .
I'd take Adam and Joe now.
I'd take the chuckle brothers.
thought we already had them
along with frank spencer, one of the flumps, that toad out of bagpuss and mary, mungo and midge
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I'm disappointed we seem to have been unable, for one reason or another, to bring in any players in. But I think in all honesty there is too much wrong to fix quickly & too much ground to make up on those above us. We've effectively thrown the towel in.
I understand those who say we should have given it a go but at what cost & would it make any difference?
Say we spent £30m plus wages on 4 players (assuming they want to come here) but still went down. Those players wouldn't want to hang around & would we get our money back? Then in the summer we can't bring in the players we want because we've blown our budget trying to achieve the impossible. As much as it hurts I think we have to accept that they've done the right thing.
No one was expecting them to spend thirty mill. They have NOT done the right thing at all. They have run the white flag up the pole.
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I blame Tom Fox for us not stumping up the extra £500k for Robbie Keane when Gregory was here.
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Remi Garde was potentially the best thing to happen for the club since SGT. If those corporate pair of poltroons Fox and Hollis have caused him to walk it puts every other monumental f*ck up made at the club in recent years look nothing in comparison. My gut feeling is that they have done the manager up like a kipper.
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Remi Garde was potentially the best thing to happen for the club since SGT. If those corporate pair of poltroons Fox and Hollis have caused him to walk it puts every other monumental f*ck up made at the club in recent years look nothing in comparison. My gut feeling is that they have done the manager up like a kipper.
He hasn't gone anywhere yet Brian. He may well do though.
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Agree Clamps but they appear very clearly to have made Remi Garde an unhappy man.
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I'm disappointed we seem to have been unable, for one reason or another, to bring in any players in. But I think in all honesty there is too much wrong to fix quickly & too much ground to make up on those above us. We've effectively thrown the towel in.
I understand those who say we should have given it a go but at what cost & would it make any difference?
Say we spent £30m plus wages on 4 players (assuming they want to come here) but still went down. Those players wouldn't want to hang around & would we get our money back? Then in the summer we can't bring in the players we want because we've blown our budget trying to achieve the impossible. As much as it hurts I think we have to accept that they've done the right thing.
Done the right thing? 4 Premier League games have passed since the window opened. They should have been working tirelessly to identity multiple targets. How come Sheff Wed have managed to sign McGeady on loan and Middlesborough are on the verge of signing Rhodes. Both players would be an improvement on what we have now.
The board are an absolute disgrace and they should hang their heads in shame.
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I come from the future 5 and a half hours ahead of GMT, there's fuck all to tell, go to bed.
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I am dreading tomorrow. I feel it is not going to be a good day. Not a good day at all.
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I come from the future five and a half months ahead. Manager Pearson is told he must sell to buy.
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I come from the future 6 months ahead. Neil Warnock says he's the man to keep us in the Championship.
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Transfer Deadline Day Live (http://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2016/feb/01/transfer-deadline-day-live)
17:01
Look away Aston Villa, fans. An email from Adam Griffiths – “Stat of the day: Cardiff, currently under a transfer embargo, have signed more players this transfer window than Villa. If Villa were a racehorse, the vet would have put them down by now.
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I come from the future five and a half months ahead. Manager Pearson is told he must sell to buy.
I've been to the year 3,000, not much has changed but we play underwater. And Charles N'Zogbia still hasn't left.
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Where has all this 'Remi is going to walk' come from?
To my knowledge there's been no indication of this at all. Or have I missed something?
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Only wanted a foreign sounding player Randy. Jesse Embeezeoni. Just make em up.
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Where has all this 'Remi is going to walk' come from?
To my knowledge there's been no indication of this at all. Or have I missed something?
I was wondering the same.
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Read what he said and how he said it Nigel. You should know you have to be a Bletchley Park graduate to know what is actually going on behind the closed doors at Villa Park.
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May have been mentioned on this thread - or elsewhere earlier - but I thought it significant that Garde said in his interview that HE had tried to get players in, and THE CLUB had tried also.
I take that to mean he has tried his own links and got nowhere - and the player recruitment committee has tried and also got nowhere.
Makes me think that the latter didn't put themselves out too much or back Garde in his pursuits.
Depressed.
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Where has all this 'Remi is going to walk' come from?
To my knowledge there's been no indication of this at all. Or have I missed something?
I was wondering the same.
He said he will be here "til the end of the season".
There may be something lost in accuracy of his English, but.....
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If he walked ..I wouldn't blame him at all . From what he said earlier he's definitely been stitched up .
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Not sure of all the outbursts today, weren't we told there would be no signings at the recent supporters trust meeting?
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A signing! Obertan looks to be heading our way.
Yippee!
Oh hang on, it's just a Transfer bingo game.
As you were.
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Where has all this 'Remi is going to walk' come from?
To my knowledge there's been no indication of this at all. Or have I missed something?
I was wondering the same.
He said he will be here "til the end of the season".
There may be something lost in accuracy of his English, but.....
I think the assumption largely comes from the fact that none of us could blame the poor bastard in the slightest if he walked out. By May he's going to look as weathered and haggard as Keith Fucking Richards.
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A signing! Obertan looks to be heading our way.
Yippee!
I really hope that's a joke. He really is a piss poor player. In fact we'd probably (only just) be better off giving Insomnia a reprieve. If we sign Obertan the whole Geordie Nation will flood the entire country pissing themselves laughing.
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Well at least we haven't signed any shit players this time, so that's something. Why are you looking at me like that?
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A signing! Obertan looks to be heading our way.
Yippee!
Oh hang on, it's just a Transfer bingo game.
As you were.
Thank McGrath.
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Just when the fans need a lift with a couple of new signings in a horrific season so far, what do Lerner, Fox and Co do? Piss the fans off even more. You get the impression that they get a warped satisfaction from it all!!
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A signing! Obertan looks to be heading our way.
Yippee!
I really hope that's a joke. He really is a piss poor player. In fact we'd probably (only just) be better off giving Insomnia a reprieve. If we sign Obertan the whole Geordie Nation will flood the entire country pissing themselves laughing.
The Bingo game bit may be a clue that yes, it's a blatant joke.
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You know when Adebayor said God talked to him and told him not to sign ?
Perhaps he did....
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You know when Adebayor said God talked to him and told him not to sign ?
Perhaps he did....
It also saved him having to Google us too.
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I'm disappointed we seem to have been unable, for one reason or another, to bring in any players in. But I think in all honesty there is too much wrong to fix quickly & too much ground to make up on those above us. We've effectively thrown the towel in.
I understand those who say we should have given it a go but at what cost & would it make any difference?
Say we spent £30m plus wages on 4 players (assuming they want to come here) but still went down. Those players wouldn't want to hang around & would we get our money back? Then in the summer we can't bring in the players we want because we've blown our budget trying to achieve the impossible. As much as it hurts I think we have to accept that they've done the right thing.
Done the right thing? 4 Premier League games have passed since the window opened. They should have been working tirelessly to identity multiple targets. How come Sheff Wed have managed to sign McGeady on loan and Middlesborough are on the verge of signing Rhodes. Both players would be an improvement on what we have now.
The board are an absolute disgrace and they should hang their heads in shame.
They're evidently not letting a serious crisis go to waste i.e They're extremely busy doing absolutely fuck-all. Randolph wouldn't have it any other way, don't ya know. Triffick.
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Only wanted a foreign sounding player Randy. Jesse Embeezeoni. Just make em up.
Apparently we were turned down by Imfuck Ingshit a midfielder from the French second division. He found out that we already have at least ten others with the same name.
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"Phone ringing again dear? Ignore it, last time I took a phone call from a frenchman in January it cost me 24 million quid."
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The probability is that when he came Remi Garde was promised adequate funds to bring in the players he wanted. The stitch up is the redefining of "adequate" . It reminds me of the scene in The Jerk when the winner on the sideshow can have any prize between the Chiclets and the Chiclets.
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I've tried to occupy myself this season with endless movies, books, etc etc literally anything to take my mind away from Villa but they always linger in the back of my mind, I kind of knew the club had thrown in the towel but you cant help but cling to a tiny bit of hope that they might surprise us on transfer deadline day, I've hit rock bottom today.
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Newcastle trying to loan Gomis from Swansea. Why on earth would Swansea do that!
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We were sold down the river on that Zambeezioni transfer.
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I read the other day that Michu, currently playing in the 4th tier in Spain, turned us down. Which is morosely amusing and not very surprising, and probably true.
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We've bought a towel, to throw in.
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We've bought a towel, to throw in.
It's a second hand towel from Oxfam...which has a dirty great skidmark on it.
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So Cardiff, with a transfer embargo, have signed more players than us.
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I read the other day that Michu, currently playing in the 4th tier in Spain, turned us down. Which is morosely amusing and not very surprising, and probably true.
Or what he actually said is he is nowhere near fit enough to play at this level. Which is a tad different to "he turned us down".
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Why is it that our glorious leader summoned Fox to the states to talk transfers after a full ten days of the window had passed?
You'd think we had all the time in the world.
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*clears throat, taps mic*
TalkSport reporting we are signing Nessuno.
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ive just heard some rumblings of movement at bmh!!!
please insert your reply below.
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I've tried to occupy myself this season with endless movies, books, etc etc literally anything to take my mind away from Villa but they always linger in the back of my mind, I kind of knew the club had thrown in the towel but you cant help but cling to a tiny bit of hope that they might surprise us on transfer deadline day, I've hit rock bottom today.
I certainly share your sentiments.
The lack of activity in the transfer window feels worse than most of our inept performances. It's a realisation that I don't want to except but know full well that it will become a reality.
If the board has any decency, once the window is shut they should offer early bird season tickets at a reduced price.
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*clears throat, taps mic*
TalkSport reporting we are signing Nessuno.
He only works well with Dorma.
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He's a monster.
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*clears throat, taps mic*
TalkSport reporting we are signing Nessuno.
I lol'd
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ive just heard some rumblings of movement at bmh!!!
please insert your reply below.
It's probably the rats leaving
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*clears throat, taps mic*
TalkSport reporting we are signing Nessuno.
They don't speak Italian at Talkshite Towers, do they?
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*clears throat, taps mic*
TalkSport reporting we are signing Nessuno.
And Jewish/Spanish playmaker Noah Juan.
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Wyn Fuk All is expected to be at VP for at least the next 5 years.
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anybody know if the lights are still on at vp,bmh?
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*clears throat, taps mic*
TalkSport reporting we are signing Nessuno.
There are numerous reports over here linking us with Ninguém.
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ive just heard some rumblings of movement at bmh!!!
please insert your reply below.
The cleaner just flushed a floater?
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*clears throat, taps mic*
TalkSport reporting we are signing Nessuno.
There are numerous reports over here linking us with Ninguém.
and the highly rated brazillian nadir
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I've tried to occupy myself this season with endless movies, books, etc etc literally anything to take my mind away from Villa but they always linger in the back of my mind, I kind of knew the club had thrown in the towel but you cant help but cling to a tiny bit of hope that they might surprise us on transfer deadline day, I've hit rock bottom today.
They are still trying to sell half season tickets ffs
I certainly share your sentiments.
The lack of activity in the transfer window feels worse than most of our inept performances. It's a realisation that I don't want to except but know full well that it will become a reality.
If the board has any decency, once the window is shut they should offer early bird season tickets at a reduced price.
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ive just heard some rumblings of movement at bmh!!!
please insert your reply below.
Well it can't be a bowel movement - since none of the players give a shit anymore...
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Why is it that our glorious leader summoned Fox to the states to talk transfers after a full ten days of the window had passed?
You'd think we had all the time in the world.
In fairness we did have all the time in the world if our intention was to sign no one.
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Well if this window has done anything it's united a lot of fans behind Garde because they now feel sorry for him.
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Yes Garde has been placed in a very difficult and embarrassing position especially after he said he will try to find some quality in the January window. This is down to both the Management and, of course, our former Coach (haha) who left a hospital case for him to the point that no decent player wants to touch us with a barge pole. Yes I do feel for him.
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The SSN man is still standing at gates at BMH.
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The SSN man is still standing at gates at BMH.
He's about as likely to see as much action as any Villa player stood behind the first defender at a corner
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What a disgraceful 'performance' from these imposters 'running' our club. I think a lot of our emotions will now be turning to outright anger. In Remi Garde we have an intelligent and dignified manager who so far has turned us into half a silk purse from a rotten pig's ear. Watching the Man City game it was evident that the midfield was controlling the game but there was absolutely nothing upfront. When they had the ball our jokers in defence who would not be there as first choice but were the only other options open to him were predictably poor.
It was obvious that a keeper , right back and a striker with a decent wide man oils turn us into a side that could compete. We have done fuck all about those glaring gaps so we as fans should stop being passive and devote all our energy and anger in making as much trouble for Fox and that hatchet man Hollis and hit Lerner where it hurts in the pocket. I really hesitate to advocate staying away and not handing over a penny till Lerner fucks off but if that's what it takes then do it . If we still go to the games then open revolt and burning effigies of them , flares banners are all OK in my book.
Hate the bastards and what they have done to our club. Fuming!
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Fox and Hollis are going to get pelters should they be seen at any of our games.
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Well if this window has done anything it's united a lot of fans behind Garde because they now feel sorry for him.
Maybe that's more valuable to the team than a new signing?
I totally understand the anger about the lack of new signings but I think some of the comments on here are going way too far. We know that they've tried to sign players, we know that one was £5m+ and we know that another we offered better terms than the club he eventually went to so I don't think the lack of signings is due to a lack of financial support, that just doesn't hold up unless you're some sort of conspiracy theorist. I think Garde is disappointed but I don't think it's because he's not been backed, I think it's because he hasn't done the business he wanted to. He was clearly set on Kalinic given it went to 2 appeals and he seems genuinely upset to have missed out on Doumbia. Given how late both of those have gone I reckon he believes he hasn't got time to move to any fallback options. I really don't think they've just decided to not bother or, as I've seen on here, being relegated was part of some sort of plan.
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The SSN man is still standing at gates at BMH.
Must be an office prank. They're leaving him there until he twigs he's wasted his time.
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I'm utterly stunned we couldn't bring in one player. Fucking amazing. Maybe we can just change the Holte flag to a white flag for the next home game. See you in the Championship chaps.
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The SSN man is still standing at gates at BMH.
Must be an office prank. They're leaving him there until he twigs he's wasted his time.
They have just called him and asked him to pick up a Bubble for a Spirit Level on his way home.
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The SSN man is still standing at gates at BMH.
Must be an office prank. They're leaving him there until he twigs he's wasted his time.
its probably a cut out, like that copper in the window of poundworld
having said that his movement is far superior to justhead
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*clears throat, taps mic*
TalkSport reporting we are signing Nessuno.
There are numerous reports over here linking us with Ninguém.
and the highly rated brazillian nadir
The Dutch press are saying we are getting Niemand
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Greetings from up an Alp. can I request a summary of all the signings Villa have made today
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To all those at Upton Park tomorrow, we need a good twenty minutes of "One Remi Garde" followed by dogs abuse for the board for the TV cameras please! These fuckers need outing and shaming publicly!
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The SSN man is still standing at gates at BMH.
Must be an office prank. They're leaving him there until he twigs he's wasted his time.
They have just called him and asked him to pick up a Bubble for a Spirit Level on his way home.
surely hes gone for a long stand
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To all those at Upton Park tomorrow, we need a good twenty minutes of "One Remi Garde" followed by dogs abuse for the board for the TV cameras please! These fuckers need outing and shaming publicly!
I was going to say I can feel a 10-15 minute rendition of "Remi Garde's claret and blue army" tomorrow night.
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I feel a "lets pretend we have scored a goal" but for transfers coming on.
I still cant believe Randy has splashed out 30 million quid for a striker. I mean fair play to him, we may go down but he simply refuses to surrender!
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What a disgraceful 'performance' from these imposters 'running' our club. I think a lot of our emotions will now be turning to outright anger. In Remi Garde we have an intelligent and dignified manager who so far has turned us into half a silk purse from a rotten pig's ear. Watching the Man City game it was evident that the midfield was controlling the game but there was absolutely nothing upfront. When they had the ball our jokers in defence who would not be there as first choice but were the only other options open to him were predictably poor.
It was obvious that a keeper , right back and a striker with a decent wide man oils turn us into a side that could compete. We have done fuck all about those glaring gaps so we as fans should stop being passive and devote all our energy and anger in making as much trouble for Fox and that hatchet man Hollis and hit Lerner where it hurts in the pocket. I really hesitate to advocate staying away and not handing over a penny till Lerner fucks off but if that's what it takes then do it . If we still go to the games then open revolt and burning effigies of them , flares banners are all OK in my book.
Hate the bastards and what they have done to our club. Fuming!
Agree. However I'd suggest we back the team until it's mathematically impossible to stay up. Then we channel all our energies into telling these wankers exactly what we feel about them.
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Leroy Fer going to Swansea is a good loan deal. Would have been a good signing in our midfield.
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Leroy Fer going to Swansea is a good loan deal. Would have been a good signing in our midfield.
I suggested him in the summer. Lots on here saying that he wasn't good enough for this league. Same as Steven N'Zonzi. Big, powerful lad who would compliment our midfield, or, actually, would just be better than Westwood fullstop. Good deal for Swansea, better attitude that the knob they sold to the barcodes too.
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not even getting a couple of loan signings,at the very least as cover, beggars belief
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Well if this window has done anything it's united a lot of fans behind Garde because they now feel sorry for him.
Maybe that's more valuable to the team than a new signing?
I totally understand the anger about the lack of new signings but I think some of the comments on here are going way too far. We know that they've tried to sign players, we know that one was £5m+ and we know that another we offered better terms than the club he eventually went to so I don't think the lack of signings is due to a lack of financial support, that just doesn't hold up unless you're some sort of conspiracy theorist. I think Garde is disappointed but I don't think it's because he's not been backed, I think it's because he hasn't done the business he wanted to. He was clearly set on Kalinic given it went to 2 appeals and he seems genuinely upset to have missed out on Doumbia. Given how late both of those have gone I reckon he believes he hasn't got time to move to any fallback options. I really don't think they've just decided to not bother or, as I've seen on here, being relegated was part of some sort of plan.
I agree. The seeds were sown 5 years ago since when the festering weed of relegation has been crawling over Villa Park like a Triffid feeding off a potent fertiliser of incompetence and gross dereliction of duty.
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We've thrown the towel in, its an insult to be honest.
Has a team ever accepted relegation as easily as this?
Its all staggering.
How do you invest £250m on a football club and make it worse than it was? That is some monumental fuckwittery right there.
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Proud history, fright future.
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Leroy Fer going to Swansea is a good loan deal. Would have been a good signing in our midfield.
I don't mind him but i'm not sure how much difference he would have made overall.
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The SSN man is still standing at gates at BMH.
Why do I imagine him starting a Jonathan Pie style rant very soon.
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Difference between finishing 20th and 17th this season will be between £4-6million. That's all Lerner was willing to spend (eg Kalinic). He doesn't see spending any more as worth it as he wants to sell. Don't expect him to spend in the summer as he is intent on asset stripping until he sells the club and I don't just mean players for all they're worth. I fear what could happen re VP and bmh.
In remi we trust. Fans should unite behind him and against Lerner and the board to preserve all things Aston Villa
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I would not mind so much if they were having a complete clear out and getting rid of wankers like Richards, taking the hit on the Nzog contract, chucking out Bacuna, Gabby, Guzan.
Replacing with some Youth, even a couple of young and hungry signings to freshen it up.
At least it would show some intent as opposed to us just rotting away until the end of the season and being fed on by this bunch of mercenaries, misfits and cloggers.
A truly shocking state of affairs.
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Leroy Fer going to Swansea is a good loan deal. Would have been a good signing in our midfield.
I don't mind him but i'm not sure how much difference he would have made overall.
He's physically big and strong and will more of the ball than Westwood or Veretout. This would have been a half decent signing I reckon.
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I never thought I would feel this: I wish Deadly hadn't sold us to Lerner.
( I'm now going for a lie down in a darkened room)
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Haven't we done all the crap 'no-one' jokes in previous January transfer threads?
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Haven't we done all the crap 'no-one' jokes in previous January transfer threads?
To death.
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Haven't we done all the crap 'no-one' jokes in previous January transfer threads?
To death.
may as well close this thread then
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I never thought I would feel this: I wish Deadly hadn't sold us to Lerner.
( I'm now going for a lie down in a darkened room)
To be fair, nobody saw this coming.
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Haven't we done all the crap 'no-one' jokes in previous January transfer threads?
To death.
may as well close this thread then
Why does it needle you?
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Haven't we done all the crap 'no-one' jokes in previous January transfer threads?
To death.
may as well close this thread then
Why does it needle you?
you trying to stitch me up
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Haven't we done all the crap 'no-one' jokes in previous January transfer threads?
To death.
may as well close this thread then
Why does it needle you?
I've just cottoned on to what you said.
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This bantz has had me in stitches.
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Haven't we done all the crap 'no-one' jokes in previous January transfer threads?
To death.
may as well close this thread then
Why does it needle you?
you trying to stitch me up
You are a bit crochety at the moment
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Haven't we done all the crap 'no-one' jokes in previous January transfer threads?
To death.
may as well close this thread then
Why does it needle you?
you trying to stitch me up
You are a bit crochety at the moment
now that's a pearl...er
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We've thrown the towel in, its an insult to be honest.
Has a team ever accepted relegation as easily as this?
Its all staggering.
How do you invest £250m on a football club and make it worse than it was? That is some monumental fuckwittery right there.
My take exactly. Lerner is so monumentally stupid I'd wager someone has to hand him his cock when he goes for a slash to stop him pissing down his trousers.
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We've thrown the towel in, its an insult to be honest.
Has a team ever accepted relegation as easily as this?
Its all staggering.
How do you invest £250m on a football club and make it worse than it was? That is some monumental fuckwittery right there.
My take exactly. Lerner is so monumentally stupid I'd wager someone has to hand him his cock when he goes for a slash to stop him pissing down his trousers.
That's darn rude
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Evenin'. Just popped on to say: what an utter disaster and embarrassment our favourite club has become. Sack everyone. Start again. Did you know that we pay a head of player recruitment a six figure salary? Daylight robber.
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wove betide anybody who tries to take the piss out of me
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Stop worrying everyone Jim White has arrived
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It only seams rude.
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Stop worrying everyone Jim White has arrived
Do they still show you him jumping out of a car and walking into the building?
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It only seams rude.
im starting to feel hemmed in here
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Didn't see that bit but definitely walking into the building past desks and other paraphernalia along with a female colleague who I am ashamed to say I can not name.
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Don't be such a knit.
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there's a pattern emerging here
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there's a pattern emerging here
did u not hear what I said, cloth ears
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Well we have the thread to do exactly what we want.
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I think we've lost the thread here.
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LARFH
Lerner, Almstadt, Reilly, Fox and Hollis are having a LARFH at our expense.
It's written in their names! Bstards!
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We are the Reel Madrid of the Punstership.
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I think we've lost the thread here.
denier what im saying???
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This thread is a pain in the crotchet.
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These puns are making me feel dirty... I'm going in the bath to have-a-splashery...
I'm so sorry.
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I will lend you my hose.
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These puns are making me feel dirty... I'm going in the bath to have-a-splashery...
I'm so sorry.
don't worry luke, cast off and jump in
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I think we've lost the thread here.
Aye. It's about time we went on a different tack. In fact, I'm pinning my hopes on it...
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I loved watching Jordan Ayew's father playing, what was he called? Appliqué Pele?
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I loved watching Jordan Ayew's father playing, what was he called? Appliqué Pele?
Leave it Mal: you're talking bobbins!
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I loved watching Jordan Ayew's father playing, what was he called? Appliqué Pele?
Leave it Mal: you're talking bobbins!
Sorry I think my step-daughter laced my drink
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What is the point of this much vaunted (by the tools that are running the club) upgraded scouting network if we are not going to spend any money on players. Perhaps they have been employed to scout for clubs that will buy our remaining squad!
They may as well fire all the scouts, not worth paying them a wage really is it.
Further more what really was the point in sacking Sherwood? I'm not blaming Garde for the shit we're in, but has he actually made any difference at all? At the absolute least I expected his links with Arsenal and/or Lyon to help us in this window but even that hasn't materialised. It seems to me that the club have just managed to waste a few more million quid in compounding our demise.
I think I'd have been suicidal if he was still banging on
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Can this thread be closed now ?
Can someone start the Summer Transfer Thread please ?
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Can this thread be closed now ?
Can someone start the Summer Transfer Thread please ?
Bobby Zamora, Championship scorer
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Summer 2018
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Is the reporter still hanging around outside the games at BMH?
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So Loic Remy wants a loan and certain starts. He is the one player the manager really wanted this window. We should be in getting it done if just to support the manager.
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Is the reporter still hanging around outside the games at BMH?
(http://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?&id=OIP.Me6e1178570d1e4437454a28bd7ab5dedo0&w=150&h=150&c=0&pid=1.9&rs=0&p=0)
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I don't know why I'm still refreshing this feed
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-sir-doug-ellis--10821652
Sorry if repost.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-sir-doug-ellis--10821652
Sorry if repost.
Doug's defeatist tone and expression in the last 5 seconds says it all.
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I just said it on facebook and I'll say it again. Fuck off Doug
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Woooooooahhhh!
All is not lost. SUnderland trying to do a deal for N'Zogbia.
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every cloud silver lining, did I hear that right , cnz to sunderland hahahaha
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Best transfer window ever if we get rid of Charles
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Woooooooahhhh!
All is not lost. SUnderland trying to do a deal for N'Zogbia.
I can't imagine Villa would make it too difficult for them...
'Any chance of us taking N'Zogbia?'
'YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS! Shall we drive him to you?"
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What the fucking hell is this stats data thing SSN are using to explain why Watfords new 18 month old striker is going too be a future star... Tell me thats not the same shit that we use?
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Defoe on a swap?
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10.55 talk about leaving it Fucking late
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Woooooooahhhh!
All is not lost. SUnderland trying to do a deal for N'Zogbia.
at least we don't play them again because we all know what would happen, don't we?
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Money for NZogbia. I'll believe that when i see it.
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Defoe on a swap?
I'd take a used biro with the end bitten off as a swap.
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Money for NZogbia. I'll believe that when i see it.
I would let him go on a free transfer to get his wages off the books.
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Money for NZogbia. I'll believe that when i see it.
Surely a wind up?
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I'm convinced that crap like this comes out at 10pm just to get people watching SSN even though sod all is happening
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Me too. I would have taken Fletcher at this point were he not off to Marseille
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Ooh. That'd be like a new signing.
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I just said it on facebook and I'll say it again. Fuck off Doug
Well said , he got what he wanted out of Aston Villa - fame, loads more money, and a knighthood.
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Woooooooahhhh!
All is not lost. SUnderland trying to do a deal for N'Zogbia.
at least we don't play them again because we all know what would happen, don't we?
He'll play like a one legged pork scratching salesman from Tipton with gout in his six toes?
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I wonder do the club staff still working or sitting on their armchair with hot chocolate watching whatever on TV.
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I wonder do the club staff still working or sitting on their armchair with hot chocolate watching whatever on TV.
they're watching deadline day on sky to see if we sign anybody.....
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The official twitter even trolled a late deal earlier which I thought is a bit cruel to the fans. What a fucking shit few years. Consistently and mind numbingly shit
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I like the sound of the new everton lad
had we never heard of him
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The official twitter even trolled a late deal earlier which I thought is a bit cruel to the fans. What a fucking shit few years. Consistently and mind numbingly shit
What did they say?
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fuck fuck fuck
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I assume you are reacting to Sunderland rubbishing the idea that they would be insane enough to take our "LIFESTYLE" away
Dwight Gayle not moved today. Considering the fees for Championship strikers 6m on him would have been a good deal.
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In the pub 30 mins to go... Fucking hell. I'm not angry For pet owners I now feel like you do the day or two before you know your dog's being put down.
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The official twitter even trolled a late deal earlier which I thought is a bit cruel to the fans. What a fucking shit few years. Consistently and mind numbingly shit
What did they say?
Dickheads.
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Any decent freebies going to be available?
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It's just occurred to me that this thread, all 281 pages and counting of it, has been completely and utterly pointless. No reason for it to be here. Everyone's wasted their time.
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Home to Norwich, the board have to get it both barrels. Useless cretins.
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Stoke just signed imbula for 18.3m oh how the tables have turned in the last 7 years.....its sickening
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It's just occurred to me that this thread, all 281 pages and counting of it, has been completely and utterly pointless. No reason for it to be here. Everyone's wasted their time.
20 mins and extra time yet Chris. Still time for that goalie, centre half and attacker
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Stoke spending £18.3m on one player.
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The official twitter even trolled a late deal earlier which I thought is a bit cruel to the fans. What a fucking shit few years. Consistently and mind numbingly shit
What did they say?
Dickheads.
Something like the lights are still on or something. It disappeared quickly
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The official twitter even trolled a late deal earlier which I thought is a bit cruel to the fans. What a fucking shit few years. Consistently and mind numbingly shit
What did they say?
Dickheads.
Something like the lights are still on or something. It disappeared quickly
The lights are on but no one's home, sums the club up.
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loic remy anybody
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It's just occurred to me that this thread, all 281 pages and counting of it, has been completely and utterly pointless. No reason for it to be here. Everyone's wasted their time.
20 mins and extra time yet Chris. Still time for that goalie, centre half and attacker
They're all in the same car going round and round Bassetts Pole with a frozen sat nav, like Chevy Chase in National Lampoon's Vacation
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It seem every club got money apart from us and Bolton and Blackburn. Will someone who want to buy Aston Villa, please hurry up.
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It seem every club got money apart from us and Bolton and Blackburn. Will someone who want to buy Aston Villa, please hurry up.
Aren't they both under transfer embargos? We're just stupid and shit.
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The official twitter even trolled a late deal earlier which I thought is a bit cruel to the fans. What a fucking shit few years. Consistently and mind numbingly shit
What did they say?
Dickheads.
Something like the lights are still on or something. It disappeared quickly
That wasn't from today it was from 2013. People have been re-tweeting all fecking day. https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/297059445375119360
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Our decline has probably got something to do with Legion.
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Do Stoke really have Shaqiri, Imbula, Bojan, Arnatouvic, Afellay, Muniesa.....
Fair play to them.
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Just twelve minutes until we unveil our amazing triple signing...
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Our decline has probably got something to do with Legion.
That was my 6666 post
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Just twelve minutes until we unveil our amazing triple signing...
Lerner. Fox. Hollis.
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It's just occurred to me that this thread, all 281 pages and counting of it, has been completely and utterly pointless. No reason for it to be here. Everyone's wasted their time.
20 mins and extra time yet Chris. Still time for that goalie, centre half and attacker
They're all in the same car going round and round Bassetts Pole with a frozen sat nav, like Chevy Chase in National Lampoon's Vacation
Have they opened another lap dancing club on Broad Street then?
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Just twelve minutes until we unveil our amazing triple signing...
Djemba-Djemba-Djemba?
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Will someone who want to buy Aston Villa, please hurry up.
Maybe I'll make a Bid of 150m Iranian Rial.
That's about three and a half grand in our money - perhaps our businessman of the millenium custodian won't notice.
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Do Stoke really have Shaqiri, Imbula, Bojan, Arnatouvic, Afellay, Muniesa.....
Fair play to them.
Not appointing Mark Hughes seems a great decision in hindsight too.
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It seems like we've tried to get players in, but we're shit, so they've gone somewhere else instead. Bit of rumbling about money to spend "not being as clear" as when Garde first arrived.
The situation is going to get worse, gentlemen.
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Do Stoke really have Shaqiri, Imbula, Bojan, Arnatouvic, Afellay, Muniesa.....
Fair play to them.
I remember when we weren't too keen on Mark Hughes to managing us.
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Ooh loic remy maybe
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Just twelve minutes until we unveil our amazing triple signing...
Lerner. Fox. Hollis.
Fox(trot)
Uniform (supplied by Under Armour)
Charlie (loads of required)
Kilo (Gabby to you and I)
Oscar
Fox(trot)
Fox(trot)
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Do Stoke really have Shaqiri, Imbula, Bojan, Arnatouvic, Afellay, Muniesa.....
Fair play to them.
The clearest way to see the difference between running a club well and running it pathetically is to look at the difference between Stoke and Villa right now.
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We will end up with that shit Greek forward who used to play for Celtic.
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Remy garde considering his future over lack of backing from board according to ssn
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Sky Sports just announced Garde is considering his future.
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Misheard sorry. It was remi garde considering his future
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Cannot fault the guy if he chucks it. Not one bit.
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Niall Quinn talking about the first bit of sense I've ever heard from him on SSN right now.
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Nope. Clearly wanted backing from the board, we get some weird fucking chairman who is stunned to be offered the gig and have obviously broken funding promises to Garde from his words. If I was him I would be gone.
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Niall Quinn talking about the first bit of sense I've ever heard from him on SSN right now.
Yep, back then Lerner went to Quinn (at Sunderland) to sign Darren Bent to score the goals to get us out of trouble. The rewards are greater now, yet nothing.
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I wonder do the club staff still working or sitting on their armchair with hot chocolate watching whatever on TV.
they're watching deadline day on sky to see if we sign anybody.....
Paddy: Anything happening Hendrik?
Hendrik: Nothing so far but Jim White is on now so you never know!
Paddy: What about that fella at the gate has he seen anyone come for a medical?
Hendrik: Medical? What here at BMH? Shouldn't they go to Good Hope?
Paddy: Did you say good hope? Where ? Who?
Hendrik: I meant the local hospital idiot.
Paddy: Idi Ot is at the hospital? OK if he passes his medical I want to be with him you know stretching the shirt shot!
Hendrik: No that is merchandising and that's my job I want to be in that shot.
Paddy: I am in charge of recru....recruit ...recruitingment yes that's it. I am in charge.
Hendrik: But we need to sell shirts and we will sell loads with Idi Ot on the back. Bit disappointing with lack of letters though?
Paddy: that's why I gave Agbonlahor a four year contract ...count the letters?
Hendrik: That's why Foxy loves you Paddy.
Paddy: yes yes sometimes I need reminding why I am here.
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Niall Quinn talking about the first bit of sense I've ever heard from him on SSN right now.
What did he say?
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Window closed. That's yer lot.
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RIO
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Absolute shambles. The worst ever custodians of our club, including the board of 68. Shame on you all.
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Niall Quinn talking about the first bit of sense I've ever heard from him on SSN right now.
Yep, back then Lerner went to Quinn (at Sunderland) to sign Darren Bent to score the goals to get us out of trouble. The rewards are greater now, yet nothing.
Garde has got us 7 results, he deserved to be backed this window.
how long must we endure such inept leadership and how low is it going to take us?
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Window closed. That's yer lot.
How will we integrate them all?
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Niall Quinn talking about the first bit of sense I've ever heard from him on SSN right now.
What did he say?
Essentially he was 'perplexed and surprised' in the way we've acted this window - obviously Lerner went to him with £24m for Bent almost 5 or 6 years to the day - the rewards are even greater now for staying up and not a peep in or out! The words 'white flag' were mentioned several times in that bit of conversation and it's sickening to hear it. Acknowledged the fans anger too. FFS.
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I've gone past the dissapointed /anger stage over the predicament of our club, I'm actually finding it quite funny!..The only fear I have now is that I don't think we have reached rock bottom yet. Nowhere near it.
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Close this thread down ... its well past its sell by date ... a bit like the club
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I've gone past the dissapointed /anger stage over the predicament of our club, I'm actually finding it quite funny!..The only fear I have now is that I don't think we have reached rock bottom yet. Nowhere near it.
In footballing terms, I agree - I'd stopped getting upset over the losses probably a month or two ago. Tonight though our total lack of action has made me disappointed more than anything. Even if we'd shipped some big earners out for a bit of money in anger I would be less down than I am now!
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I've gone past the dissapointed /anger stage over the predicament of our club, I'm actually finding it quite funny!..The only fear I have now is that I don't think we have reached rock bottom yet. Nowhere near it.
Yep these clowns are taking us into the abyss
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So when you're deep in the shit but have a chance to do something about it so at least it's not completely and utterly embarrassing the answer is to...not do anything. Great logic there, well done all.
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So Paddy, it's your annual review. How do you think you have done? Did you meet you objectives?
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I've gone past the dissapointed /anger stage over the predicament of our club, I'm actually finding it quite funny!..The only fear I have now is that I don't think we have reached rock bottom yet. Nowhere near it.
In footballing terms, I agree - I'd stopped getting upset over the losses probably a month or two ago. Tonight though our total lack of action has made me disappointed more than anything. Even if we'd shipped some big earners out for a bit of money in anger I would be less down than I am now!
This is were I am at too, the losses stopped hurting months ago but today is the clearest indication yet that the people running our football club are chancers employed to jobs way beyond their capabilities, yes men, no balls between the lot of them, on a day that Stoke City spent 18.3m on a bloody good midfielder to push them on we took the white flags and frantically waved them about, sad times.
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Do Stoke really have Shaqiri, Imbula, Bojan, Arnatouvic, Afellay, Muniesa.....
Fair play to them.
Not appointing Mark Hughes seems a great decision in hindsight too.
was just thinking that ;(
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We didn't frantically wave white flags around. We just slumped off and hoped no one would notice.
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So, from the summer of 2014 to now, how much have we spent on players and how much have we brought in.
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We didn't frantically wave white flags around. We just slumped off and hoped no one would notice.
Fair point, we couldn't even be arsed to lift them.
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The petrol cans are lined up outside, we've just married Eva Braun, and poisoned the dog.
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I preferred when the optimistic posters were being like comical ali and telling us everything was going to be ok.
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very sad, the board has given up.
Granted they are completely clueless when it comes to football but as supposed successful business people, letting their asset depreciate hugely in value when a truckload of TV money is waiting for every team in the top division next term is bonkers
you wonder how any of them are in the positions they are in, then again the corporate world is full of these charlatans with their fake management speak bullshit
Every other club is throwing money around even ones in the Championship but we instead shuffle quietly towards extinction
Garde needs to leave for the sake of his career, any player with a semblance of ambition will let on cut price deals in the summer
Thanks Randy
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I'm of to West Ham tomorrow, can't wait
So excited
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I'm of to West Ham tomorrow, can't wait
So excited
It'll be the second away game I've missed this season. Feel for you mate.
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I feel numb.
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I despair with these muppets. Clueless doesn't come close, they have brought this club to its knees.
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I feel numb.
In your hand? Apparently that is the ideal time to.....
So what time are arsenal signing someone. Their traditional window is open until about Thursday now isn't it?
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Do Stoke really have Shaqiri, Imbula, Bojan, Arnatouvic, Afellay, Muniesa.....
Fair play to them.
Not appointing Mark Hughes seems a great decision in hindsight too.
was just thinking that ;(
When we gave him the cold shoulder I wasn't too bothered but he has really turned Stoke around. He's done very well and deserves credit.
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Poetic that this thread has now been unstickied and will now disappear down without much of a whimper. The same as Aston Villa.
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I preferred when the optimistic posters were being like comical ali and telling us everything was going to be ok.
I guess what is happening is less of a shock for people who lost faith in this shower many years ago.
I think this regime is exposed now for what it is. No hiding it now.
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I preferred when the optimistic posters were being like comical ali and telling us everything was going to be ok.
I guess what is happening is less of a shock for people who lost faith in this shower many years ago.
I think this regime is exposed now for what it is. No hiding it now.
I think what has happened has hopefully united all of us, I think the last few months events have shocked Even the most cynical.
Fox comments about kit sales, building something special, backing the manager and the Hollis appointment and his comments.
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Although we needed to bring some players in, I have just looked at all the comings and goings around the league and I most say there has not been a great deal of quality transferred in this window.
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Although we needed to bring some players in, I have just looked at all the comings and goings around the league and I most say there has not been a great deal of quality transferred in this window.
No not a lot but I find it quite incredible that we have ended up with nothing.I think it would be advisable for Fox Hollis Reilly to stay away on match days as their personal safety is at risk. Until Lerner sells the club for whatever price we will continue to drop like a stone.If I was Remi Garde I would resign this morning that job is impossible.
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In the transfer window Villa were the only club of the bottom 6 that did not sign a single player. Garde accepts it is difficult but his targets all went to other clubs mainly in the bottom 6. He is to consider his future in the summer. if he walks then there is no way a good manager will come to this club.
The specific issue according to the Daily Telegraph was that Wahbi Kazri - a winger - was prepared to sign but Villa would not pay £8million for him. The wider question is that Garde was allegedly promised funds for signing players in November but nothing came of it.
So he is waiting to see what money he gets in the summer. If fans cannot back him to get the money he needs then we can expect to see him go. The lack of ambition throws a light on what Hollis said at the Trust AGM- "IT would be reckless to put the chequebook away completely, but also it would be irresponsible to throw huge sums of money into a situation tht is not working so well".
Does this mean Villa are refusing the back the judgement of the manager?
Trevor Fisher
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Because I believe in the club - note, the CLUB, I object very strongly aj2k77 to being called a "comical ali" by you. You claim to love the club yet you seem to have no concept of loyalty to it and with others you have spent the last weeks trying to prove how much angrier you are than everybody else. We are all angry. We are all pissed off big time but we owe it to the other loyal fans who stick by the club through thick and thin to buckle down and come through together. Focus your eyes on that word TOGETHER, not lashing out at other loyal Villa fans to get some sort of personal relief.
This comical ali posted at great length last week while the window was still open that Lerner, Hollis, Fox and the board are a ship of fools and with the managers they have appointed are a gathering of bungling incompetents. I did not expect them to make any signings and the fact that they have not done so does not surprise me in the least. They are such idiots that I would not be at all surprised if Remi Garde does not resign this morning.
In spite of ALL THAT, this comical ali will remain totally loyal to the club. I shall be at West Ham and I shall be at VP for Norwich. I shall be in my seat on the Holte End next August with my two sons and my grandson beside me. I went down with them to the 3rd Division and if needs be I will go down with them again. We shall rise again, of that I have no doubt, but it will happen because there are enough of us who put the club first. Not our own anger, or our own demands to be listened to and personal views about other Villa fans being thrown in their faces.
God you have made me angry aj2k77, comparing me to an Iraqi war criminal.
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I'd like to think it means we'll put offers in on the players the manager wants but we won't settle for any old rubbish just to fill out the squad - that's what's got us here. We also won't jeopardise the clubs long term future with the sort of wreckless spending that put Leeds and Portsmouth in financial meltdown. Hope so anyway.
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Brian Green you are one of the last people that "Comical Ali" slur could be aimed at, I read and look out for your posts because I find them measured, fair and also as of late wary of what our custodian is capable of.
Also I agree a 100% that where we are now is not where we want to be, also I managed to cope through the days of the Third Division and why, because I am a Villa supporter and I will always be a Villa supporter, premier league or conference.
But theres always a but, we are both long in the tooth and have seen disasters played out at B6 over many many years, dusted ourselves down, got up and recovered from the kick in the knackers only something you truly love can make it hurt so much, I just feel the climate the game is played in now or should I say the business of football, this may well be something on a scale we have not dealt with before and the recovery time, well who knows.
Another but, Aston Villa were here before Randy Lerner, in some form it will be here after his stench has been removed, he has damaged Aston Villa but he will never kill it.
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I'll probably be banned or thread locked in a minute but who do you think Remi will look to bring in to strengthen the squad in January ?
For me ....
The best quality keeper we can get on a permanent or loan.... I think Guzans' confidence is shot and we need some experience.
A striker who can score with feet and head ..... probably someone french but Austin would be available
An experienced centre back .... although I think Okore will impress when he gets his chance. I don;t think Richards is the complete answer, can be too hot-headed
OP had a premonition of doom from the very beginning.
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Because I believe in the club - note, the CLUB, I object very strongly aj2k77 to being called a "comical ali" by you. You claim to love the club yet you seem to have no concept of loyalty to it and with others you have spent the last weeks trying to prove how much angrier you are than everybody else. We are all angry. We are all pissed off big time but we owe it to the other loyal fans who stick by the club through thick and thin to buckle down and come through together. Focus your eyes on that word TOGETHER, not lashing out at other loyal Villa fans to get some sort of personal relief.
This comical ali posted at great length last week while the window was still open that Lerner, Hollis, Fox and the board are a ship of fools and with the managers they have appointed are a gathering of bungling incompetents. I did not expect them to make any signings and the fact that they have not done so does not surprise me in the least. They are such idiots that I would not be at all surprised if Remi Garde does not resign this morning.
In spite of ALL THAT, this comical ali will remain totally loyal to the club. I shall be at West Ham and I shall be at VP for Norwich. I shall be in my seat on the Holte End next August with my two sons and my grandson beside me. I went down with them to the 3rd Division and if needs be I will go down with them again. We shall rise again, of that I have no doubt, but it will happen because there are enough of us who put the club first. Not our own anger, or our own demands to be listened to and personal views about other Villa fans being thrown in their faces.
God you have made me angry aj2k77, comparing me to an Iraqi war criminal.
Well said, Brian.
Everybody has opinions and should be free to express them. Reason that your opinions are right and others are not but never rubbish and ridicule others.
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Thank you Kuwait and I agree with every word you say but, and there always is a but, what has to be in front of all our minds in awful times like these is that WE are Aston Villa. You, me, SH, aj2, Chicago Lion, VID, Des, Paulie, Chelts, Footy, Clampy, Legion, DW, Dave Shelley, Darren Woolley, TV, Ads, all if us - we are Aston Villa not the owner or the board. The owner has the honour of owning a piece of history by accident of birth and inheriting a lot of money, the rest are hired hands.
We are Aston Villa, the supporters of the club, world wide. We are proven good supporters and what good, proper football supporters do in times like this is to stand strong, do the pain however bad it is or however long it lasts and come through it, together. Fuck Small Heath, and Fuck the Albion.
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Thank you Kuwait and I agree with every word you say but, and there always is a but, what has to be in front of all our minds in awful times like these is that WE are Aston Villa. You, me, SH, aj2, Chicago Lion, VID, Des, Paulie, Chelts, Footy, Clampy, Legion, DW, Dave Shelley, Darren Woolley, TV, Ads, all if us - we are Aston Villa not the owner or the board. The owner has the honour of owning a piece of history by accident of birth and inheriting a lot of money, the rest are hired hands.
We are Aston Villa, the supporters of the club, world wide. We are proven good supporters and what good, proper football supporters do in times like this is to stand strong, do the pain however bad it is or however long it lasts and come through it, together. Fuck Small Heath, and Fuck the Albion.
I'm with you here Brian. We need to get behind Remi and let the board know we have faith in Manager but no-one one else.
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Brian Green you are one of the last people that "Comical Ali" slur could be aimed at, I read and look out for your posts because I find them measured, fair and also as of late wary of what our custodian is capable of.
Also I agree a 100% that where we are now is not where we want to be, also I managed to cope through the days of the Third Division and why, because I am a Villa supporter and I will always be a Villa supporter, premier league or conference.
But theres always a but, we are both long in the tooth and have seen disasters played out at B6 over many many years, dusted ourselves down, got up and recovered from the kick in the knackers only something you truly love can make it hurt so much, I just feel the climate the game is played in now or should I say the business of football, this may well be something on a scale we have not dealt with before and the recovery time, well who knows.
Another but, Aston Villa were here before Randy Lerner, in some form it will be here after his stench has been removed, he has damaged Aston Villa but he will never kill it.
and it's a yes from me too
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I'll probably be banned or thread locked
Ban him and lock the thread
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Do Stoke really have Shaqiri, Imbula, Bojan, Arnatouvic, Afellay, Muniesa.....
Fair play to them.
Not appointing Mark Hughes seems a great decision in hindsight too.
was just thinking that ;(
I spent pages and pages arguing on here that he wasn't crap after he quit Fulham.
The theory was that Lerner didn't like the way he treated Fulham, so we threw a few million at TSM1 to make him treat Small Heath arguably worse.
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Totally shocked. Not even 1 loan deal. So Remi walks or carries on with someone else's players, players he probably doesn't rate.
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I wouldn't think any less of Garde if he packed his suitcase tonight. A monumental shambles.
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I wouldn't think any less of Garde if he packed his suitcase tonight. A monumental shambles.
He would go up in my estimation to be honest. I would rather that then he continue if his heart isn't really in it anymore. I still cannot believe we didn't muster one single signing (permanent or loan) this month.
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He could be waiting to resign until after the match tonight.
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I wouldn't think any less of Garde if he packed his suitcase tonight. A monumental shambles.
He would go up in my estimation to be honest. I would rather that then he continue if his heart isn't really in it anymore. I still cannot believe we didn't muster one single signing (permanent or loan) this month.
Get tonked tonight I think he will walk tomorrow.
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God you have made me angry aj2k77, comparing me to an Iraqi war criminal.
Oops, I've likened the club to Downfall further up, but not the fans.
The petrol cans are lined up outside, we've just married Eva Braun, and poisoned the dog.
I should also add that Mrs Goebbels has also really screwed up being nominated for "Mother of the Year".
Maybe Nero is a better historical comparison.
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Months discussing something that never happened. Reminds me of being married.
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Nargh DeKuip your on about sex
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Has any other big club surrendered so meekly?
I can recall in fairly recent history Man Citeh, Leeds and Newcastle all going down, but even they took it to the last game of the season.
I haven't been entirely convinced by Garde, but he has been stitched up here.
Our current league position would be a barrier to bringing some players in, no question. But even in the state that we currently find ourselves, Aston Villa would still represent career progression for about 90 per cent of the world's professional players. Be that players who want to be part of a big club rebuilding in the championship or even those who just want a few months in England to put themselves in the shop window.
And out of that lot, are we to really believe that an upgrade on Westwood or Gestede doesn't exist? If so, the game is in a worse state than I thought.
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I preferred when the optimistic posters were being like comical ali and telling us everything was going to be ok.
I guess what is happening is less of a shock for people who lost faith in this shower many years ago.
I think this regime is exposed now for what it is. No hiding it now.
All the signs were their though that they didn't and never have known what they are doing. It's Ok trying to sugar coat every bad decision or making excuses for them but eventually there was always going to be a tipping point where the mistakes, unchecked, reach the point of no return.
That was last night, bottom of the league, 2 wins in 23, no signings.
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Has any other big club surrendered so meekly?
I can recall in fairly recent history Man Citeh, Leeds and Newcastle all going down, but even they took it to the last game of the season.
I haven't been entirely convinced by Garde, but he has been stitched up here.
Our current league position would be a barrier to bringing some players in, no question. But even in the state that we currently find ourselves, Aston Villa would still represent career progression for about 90 per cent of the world's professional players. Be that players who want to be part of a big club rebuilding in the championship or even those who just want a few months in England to put themselves in the shop window.
And out of that lot, are we to really believe that an upgrade on Westwood or Gestede doesn't exist? If so, the game is in a worse state than I thought.
bold bit - it's true but then it's also true that 89.999% of the worlds professional players would either not be good enough to improve us or wouldn't be wanted by the manager or won't have been scouted by the club at all. All things considered if we went into this window with a list of 10-11 players in your 90% that Garde had identified as wanting to talk to I wouldn't be surprised. It's then an easy guess that 4-5 of those were at clubs who didn't want to sell/loan them in January so that leaves 5-6 who we could even speak to, we know that we had long discussions with 2, had an offer on the table for another who decided to wait it out for a better offer and had at least inquired about a 4th, so that's not far off what I'd expect in the situation we found ourselves.
I'm not making excuses for the board I'm just pointing out that players having been scouted and judged good enough by the scouts to be presented as options for Garde and Garde seeing enough to want to talk to them plays a huge part in the process and seems to be completely ignored by the 'Bamford/Afobe/Whoever was available we should have got him' thought process. To shorten that, just because you think a player would've improved us it doesn't mean the manager agrees, to then slate the board for not backing the manager by bidding for a player he didn't want is just wrong.
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I wouldn't think any less of Garde if he packed his suitcase tonight. A monumental shambles.
He would go up in my estimation to be honest. I would rather that then he continue if his heart isn't really in it anymore. I still cannot believe we didn't muster one single signing (permanent or loan) this month.
I'd rather he roll his fucking sleeves up and gets on with the job he is paid to do. I know he's had a very difficult job, but if he had managed to eek out another one or two wins we might be in a completely different position now.
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Has any other big club surrendered so meekly?
I can recall in fairly recent history Man Citeh, Leeds and Newcastle all going down, but even they took it to the last game of the season.
I haven't been entirely convinced by Garde, but he has been stitched up here.
Our current league position would be a barrier to bringing some players in, no question. But even in the state that we currently find ourselves, Aston Villa would still represent career progression for about 90 per cent of the world's professional players. Be that players who want to be part of a big club rebuilding in the championship or even those who just want a few months in England to put themselves in the shop window.
And out of that lot, are we to really believe that an upgrade on Westwood or Gestede doesn't exist? If so, the game is in a worse state than I thought.
bold bit - it's true but then it's also true that 89.999% of the worlds professional players would either not be good enough to improve us or wouldn't be wanted by the manager or won't have been scouted by the club at all. All things considered if we went into this window with a list of 10-11 players in your 90% that Garde had identified as wanting to talk to I wouldn't be surprised. It's then an easy guess that 4-5 of those were at clubs who didn't want to sell/loan them in January so that leaves 5-6 who we could even speak to, we know that we had long discussions with 2, had an offer on the table for another who decided to wait it out for a better offer and had at least inquired about a 4th, so that's not far off what I'd expect in the situation we found ourselves.
I'm not making excuses for the board I'm just pointing out that players having been scouted and judged good enough by the scouts to be presented as options for Garde and Garde seeing enough to want to talk to them plays a huge part in the process and seems to be completely ignored by the 'Bamford/Afobe/Whoever was available we should have got him' thought process. To shorten that, just because you think a player would've improved us it doesn't mean the manager agrees, to then slate the board for not backing the manager by bidding for a player he didn't want is just wrong.
Yes, we can all indulge in flights of fantasy where we think 'x player would improve us, so we should sign him.'
The whole thing gets exacerbated when that player then moves for a fee that should (normally) be within our budget, or to a club historically weaker than us.
So I wouldn't hold the lack of bids for Afobe or whoever else against the board if they weren't even on Garde's radar.
But he strikes me as sharp on the uptake, so I can't imagine he felt it was Doumbia or nobody.
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I wouldn't think any less of Garde if he packed his suitcase tonight. A monumental shambles.
He would go up in my estimation to be honest. I would rather that then he continue if his heart isn't really in it anymore. I still cannot believe we didn't muster one single signing (permanent or loan) this month.
I'd rather he roll his fucking sleeves up and gets on with the job he is paid to do. I know he's had a very difficult job, but if he had managed to eek out another one or two wins we might be in a completely different position now.
Spot on for me, Chris.
For me, Garde has to shoulder some of the blame for us not being able to get players in. He may have been given assurances he'd be backed in the transfer market, but being 10 points adrift gives you no bargaining power whatsoever. He's played his part in that.
I hope he sticks around, I like him and he is in an awfully hard job, but I won't be waving him off if he jacks it in.
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I think he has got to take some of the blame too thinking about it this morning, but there are plenty more mitigating factors that have been against Garde, than have been against the board this window.
The results - I think there are 3-4 results since he came where he has been desperately unlucky and 3-4 where he got it wrong.
West Ham at home, we were the better team quite comfortably when Sanchez got injured. They score while we were not back into proper shape and then we were chasing the game, but even after scoring we had the chances to win the game and did not take them. A game where Garde could rightly say a decent striker we are 2 points better off
Norwich away - coming so fast after West Ham, Okore and Lescott just can't do 2 games that close. The defence was split to bits and we lost comfortably. The loss of Sanchez was huge though.
Sunderland away he got it wrong not putting Okore back in with Lescott and should take the blame for that result. To not have Sanchez and Westwood for that one meant our midfield was wide open too. Guzan was awful.
Since then we have been solid and found some consistency, but he proved again against City that if you stray from the back 4 you lose it. It is perfectly arguable that we would have got all 3 points against Albion and Leicester with a decent striker and now be on 17 looking up.
The toughest card he has been dealt is how thin the squad is. Sanchez getting injured hurt us no end. Kozak and Gestede being injured together is a huge blow. We should have found 2-3 loans just to give some cover at least.
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Has any other big club surrendered so meekly?
I can recall in fairly recent history Man Citeh, Leeds and Newcastle all going down, but even they took it to the last game of the season.
I haven't been entirely convinced by Garde, but he has been stitched up here.
Our current league position would be a barrier to bringing some players in, no question. But even in the state that we currently find ourselves, Aston Villa would still represent career progression for about 90 per cent of the world's professional players. Be that players who want to be part of a big club rebuilding in the championship or even those who just want a few months in England to put themselves in the shop window.
And out of that lot, are we to really believe that an upgrade on Westwood or Gestede doesn't exist? If so, the game is in a worse state than I thought.
bold bit - it's true but then it's also true that 89.999% of the worlds professional players would either not be good enough to improve us or wouldn't be wanted by the manager or won't have been scouted by the club at all. All things considered if we went into this window with a list of 10-11 players in your 90% that Garde had identified as wanting to talk to I wouldn't be surprised. It's then an easy guess that 4-5 of those were at clubs who didn't want to sell/loan them in January so that leaves 5-6 who we could even speak to, we know that we had long discussions with 2, had an offer on the table for another who decided to wait it out for a better offer and had at least inquired about a 4th, so that's not far off what I'd expect in the situation we found ourselves.
I'm not making excuses for the board I'm just pointing out that players having been scouted and judged good enough by the scouts to be presented as options for Garde and Garde seeing enough to want to talk to them plays a huge part in the process and seems to be completely ignored by the 'Bamford/Afobe/Whoever was available we should have got him' thought process. To shorten that, just because you think a player would've improved us it doesn't mean the manager agrees, to then slate the board for not backing the manager by bidding for a player he didn't want is just wrong.
Yes, we can all indulge in flights of fantasy where we think 'x player would improve us, so we should sign him.'
The whole thing gets exacerbated when that player then moves for a fee that should (normally) be within our budget, or to a club historically weaker than us.
So I wouldn't hold the lack of bids for Afobe or whoever else against the board if they weren't even on Garde's radar.
But he strikes me as sharp on the uptake, so I can't imagine he felt it was Doumbia or nobody.
bold bit, again that's the point really, seeing other clubs sign players and thinking "he'd have been a good signing" should never be confused with "we'd have him if the board weren't idiots" which has been the reaction by some on here.
The Doumbia thing, I guess that depends on how close he thought we were. If he was convinced that he'd got his man then why would he look elsewhere?
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The nature of these deals means that -unless the squad is so strong it is nigh on impossible to improve upon it- there should be a plan B, C, D.
The very fact that Garde says himself he spent a lot of time trying to persuade the player should highlight that the deal was always in the balance.
So not having a backup -if that was his call- is reckless.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I think it is unlikely he would want to chance going in to the remainder of the campaign with Kozak and Gestede as his only front options.
The exact workings of our transfer committee will be a mystery for the ages, but, going on Sherwood's explanation (I'm aware of the immediate problem with that) he said he would highlight positions that needed strengthening, would make recommendations for individual players and then the committee would find others for the same positions.
If they couldn't get target A, they would move to B, C and so on.
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The nature of these deals means that -unless the squad is so strong it is nigh on impossible to improve upon it- there should be a plan B, C, D.
The very fact that Garde says himself he spent a lot of time trying to persuade the player should highlight that the deal was always in the balance.
So not having a backup -if that was his call- is reckless.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt, I think it is unlikely he would want to chance going in to the remainder of the campaign with Kozak and Gestede as his only front options.
The exact workings of our transfer committee will be a mystery for the ages, but, going on Sherwood's explanation (I'm aware of the immediate problem with that) he said he would highlight positions that needed strengthening, would make recommendations for individual players and then the committee would find others for the same positions.
If they couldn't get target A, they would move to B, C and so on.
Our issue was we were an unattractive option so we had to wait and see what happened with other deals , Doumbia for instance if Newcastle had gotten Remy or Berahino then we likely would of gotten him.The lack of moment in the market in general worked against us.
I listed to an interview with Remi and he is under the impression Doumbia was offered more money by us but chose the safer option
Also Remi in recent weeks has said after winning and some decent draws that he regrets we couldn't of got results like that earlier as it clearly effected our spending and appeal to players.That said given how weak we are to find literally no one to improve us is not acceptable
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Robinho on a free anyone?
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Our squad's full, isn't it? Senderos wasn't named in the twenty-five so releasing him hasn't freed up a place.
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When all is said and done, when the tears have been spilled and masses of money spent ( by some !) 2 of the 6 Clubs above us will be relegated, assuming we do go down, and that is a cast iron fact.
All 4 Clubs directly above us have spent big, if any of those go down, will their big name signings want to stay and play in the Championship?, will the Managers who bought those players still be in charge ?, will there be more cash available to sustain a challenge in this 'very difficult to get out of ' Division?.
Whether or not our 'non-spending' was part of a long term financial strategy, remains to be seen, but, sadly I fear that our Board of incompetents has delivered a psychological ' coup de gras' to any survival aspirations we may have had,while hanging out to twist in the wind, the one person to come out of this with any honour ( RG).
..............Godzvilla!
14...West Brom... ..23/ 28
15...Swansea ........23 / 25
16...Bournemouth. .23/ 25
17...Norwich...........23 / 23
18...Newcastle ......23 / 21
19...Sunderland ......23 / 19
20...Aston Villa.......23 / 13
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Our squad's full, isn't it? Senderos wasn't named in the twenty-five so releasing him hasn't freed up a place.
Cole was though. And Nzogbia was. Gardner might have been too. Possibly Bennett
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Cole, Gardner, Ilori, Crespo and Steer were all in the 25 man squad. So we haven't even bothered to fill that up.
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Top quality strikers cost vast amounts of money and are as rare as rocking horse shit but you can't tell me that we couldn't have got in a better keeper or right back than we already have.
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Or a more dynamic midfielder than Westwood
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Top quality strikers cost vast amounts of money and are as rare as rocking horse shit but you can't tell me that we couldn't have got in a better keeper or right back than we already have.
Time will tell if he can continue his current form, but I think missing out on Afobe was a big one, especially as we were linked with him in the summer. Keeper is a real mystery though. It seems like we have only had one target in each of the two windows and have just given up on the idea when they haven't come off.
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Cole, Gardner, Ilori, Crespo and Steer were all in the 25 man squad. So we haven't even bothered to fill that up.
Thanks. So we could sign Robinho then...
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Well Robinho started the ball rolling for Man Sheikhy's rise. Maybe Pep will be manager of us come 2024.
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yes, after decades in the vanguard of world club football he chose to see out his twilight years in the Conference
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I preferred when the optimistic posters were being like comical ali and telling us everything was going to be ok.
Quite surprised that it took so long after the window closed to post the above
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http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/35476539
If Ray says it then something is badly wrong. Lerner told Garde a load of porkies.
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http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/35476539
If Ray say it them something badly wrong. Lerner told Garde a load of porkies.
Great player. Shit pundit. He is just speculating with no proof whatsoeve
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http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/35476539
If Ray say it them something badly wrong. Lerner told Garde a load of porkies.
Great player. Shit pundit. He is just speculating with no proof whatsoeve
http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/35476539
If Ray say it them something badly wrong. Lerner told Garde a load of porkies.
Great player. Shit pundit. He is just speculating with no proof whatsoeve
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Interesting to see the official report on the failed appeal. Although heavily blacked out in places, our appeal seemed to be on a conflict of interest of one of the panel members in the original decision.
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Where is that?
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Where is that?
http://www.thefa.com/news/governance/2016/feb/aston-villa-fa-exceptions-panel-governing-body-endorsement
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Interesting to see the official report on the failed appeal. Although heavily blacked out in places, our appeal seemed to be on a conflict of interest of one of the panel members in the original decision.
My guess is Margaret Byrne, Sunderland’s chief executive.
There's a list here of FA Committee Members: http://www.thefa.com/about-football-association/more/fa-committees
How they can decide there's no conflict of interest is an absolute joke. Add to that the points system the FA have created that they then say is not relevant is beyond a joke.
There's an interesting site here that explains the new FA ruling system: Sweet FA (http://www.danielgeey.com/the-foreigner-debate-the-fas-new-work-permit-regulations-explained/)
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Surely that is completely corrupt???
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It's a joke. I know the window was utterly bollocks but to think we should have got the keeper, and it apparently wasn't money that denied us Doumbia. If ever there was a season where literally everything has conspired against us, or at least feels that way it is this season. The Gods have finally decided we're too shit to keep protecting year after year.
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That, together with the refereeing this season, could almost fuel conspiracy theories
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The board and the refs have completely fucked us.
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Can we now start speculating about the Summer transfer window.
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Ronaldinho and Robinho are still without clubs ;). They wouldn't track back but at least they have the required ability of being able to control a football and deliver a cross from a dead ball situation for which a few of the current squad have found difficult to master.
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Has the real Ronaldo finally retired, or is he still playing in China or somewhere? Go and get the three of them.
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Can we now start speculating about the Summer transfer window.
I'm not sure I know enough about players from Serie C or the Dutch Second Division to make any useful contribution to such speculation.
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Can we now start speculating about the Summer transfer window.
Yes. We didn't sign the striker we needed and that's f##ked us all season long.
Oh, I thought you said dissecting the summer transfer window.
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You're right, ViD, the second we sold Benteke, and didn't replace adequately, we were in trouble.
We bought Gested, but he is a totally different type of centre forward. He requires balls to be crossed into the box and we haven't got that type of player either.
We bought a shed load of strangers, then expected them to form a coherent unit after selling our two best players who, arguably, would have been the difference.
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You're right, ViD, the second we sold Benteke, and didn't replace adequately, we were in trouble.
We bought Gested, but he is a totally different type of centre forward. He requires balls to be crossed into the box and we haven't got that type of player either.
We bought a shed load of strangers, then expected them to form a coherent unit after selling our two best players who, arguably, would have been the difference.
Thing is with Gestede, having a bloke who can head the ball is insufficient in the PL, even if he does it very well (which he doesn't). As Darren Bent found out, the game's strikers need several strings to their bow.
That is why, IMHO, Sherwood was so naive bringing in our current CF.
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You omit Nigel that on top of all that the incoming players far from being integrated into the squad walked into hostility from the manager and in place trouble makers loyal to Sherwood. The myth took a hold that our problems were caused by inferior French players but they were never the problem.
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You're right, ViD, the second we sold Benteke, and didn't replace adequately, we were in trouble.
We bought Gestede, but he is a totally different type of centre forward. He requires balls to be crossed into the box and we haven't got that type of player either.
We bought a shed load of strangers, then expected them to form a coherent unit after selling our two best players who, arguably, would have been the difference.
Thing is with Gestede, having a bloke who can head the ball is insufficient in the PL, even if he does it very well (which he doesn't). As Darren Bent found out, the game's strikers need several strings to their bow.
That is why, IMHO, Sherwood was so naive bringing in our current CF.
Very true, and I do agree.
But it would have been nice to have a couple of players to pluck the single string in the first place.
Bent had them, and it work quite nicely, then they were sold, and not replaced adequately, too, and he was hung out to dry.
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You omit Nigel that on top of all that the incoming players far from being integrated into the squad walked into hostility from the manager and in place trouble makers loyal to Sherwood. The myth took a hold that our problems were caused by inferior French players but they were never the problem.
Very good point, Brian
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The FA have completely fucked us. Surely we can appeal again on the basis the panel had conflicting interests.
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Going back to the keeper. Was it just his lack of senior caps that stopped it going through or his lack of national caps at every level?
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Going back to the keeper. Was it just his lack of senior caps that stopped it going through or his lack of national caps at every level?
From the looks of the report that was posted it was nothing like that, it was that the panel decided he wasn't good enough on the basis that he didn't play in a good enough league.
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Going back to the keeper. Was it just his lack of senior caps that stopped it going through or his lack of national caps at every level?
From the looks of the report that was posted it was nothing like that, it was that the panel decided he wasn't good enough on the basis that he didn't play in a good enough league.
If that's the case, the like of Seamus Coleman shouldn't have been allowed to join Everton.
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I have a growing and totally irrational feeling that we might have dodged a bullet with that keeper.
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I have a growing and totally irrational feeling that we might have dodged a bullet with that keeper.
I think Bunn will be fine for the championship if it comes to it. I think's he's done ok since he's been in.
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comes to something when a FA committee knows better about the quality of a player than even our scouting network and transfer committee combined
will the day come when a Motoring association can block my purchase of a Russian Lada on the basis that it could not compete with Audis and Mercedes for space on our roads?
Oh and looking at that list of FA committee names, it's no wonder FA cup Final tickets are in such short supply
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Me too. Silly point, hold my hand up, but like others before him who have done okay for us like Barry Hole, his name detracts from his actual ability.
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Going back to the keeper. Was it just his lack of senior caps that stopped it going through or his lack of national caps at every level?
From the looks of the report that was posted it was nothing like that, it was that the panel decided he wasn't good enough on the basis that he didn't play in a good enough league.
If that's the case, the like of Seamus Coleman shouldn't have been allowed to join Everton.
Not really. Irish people don't need work permits to live and work in the UK, Croatians do.
We could bring in somebody from say, the Bulgarian third division if we wanted without any problems.
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We could bring in somebody from say, the Bulgarian third division if we wanted without any problems.
Don't go giving them ideas...
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I have a growing and totally irrational feeling that we might have dodged a bullet with that keeper.
I think Bunn will be fine for the championship if it comes to it. I think's he's done ok since he's been in.
About the level of John Dunn. Which was OK.
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Going back to the keeper. Was it just his lack of senior caps that stopped it going through or his lack of national caps at every level?
From the looks of the report that was posted it was nothing like that, it was that the panel decided he wasn't good enough on the basis that he didn't play in a good enough league.
If that's the case, the like of Seamus Coleman shouldn't have been allowed to join Everton.
Not really. Irish people don't need work permits to live and work in the UK, Croatians do.
We could bring in somebody from say, the Bulgarian third division if we wanted without any problems.
So it was based on the amount of caps he'd got?
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Me too. Silly point, hold my hand up, but like others before him who have done okay for us like Barry Hole, his name detracts from his actual ability.
Barrie Hole was a top class Welsh International who spent too much in the Rose and Crown...as the song goes.
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I assume that it was a combination of factors rather than one specific thing. As I think peter w posted at the time, it could have been down to something as simple as his English not being good enough.
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In the first instance it seems to be mostly based on international caps (and the rank of the country in the FIFA rankings, Croatia are in the second tier as they're ranked between 11 and 20). I don't think he met the criteria based on that as he hasn't played many.
The appeal stage allocates a point system based on factors such as appearances in a "top league"... I guess the Croatian League doesn't count. They also award points for matches played in UEFA competitions from the Group Stage onwards. Hajduk were knocked out of the Europa League the round before the Group Stage so no points there.
Where it gets more complicated is the awarding of points based on the transfer free compared to recent transfers in the league and the proposed wage compared to wages at the club.
It's quite difficult to work out whether he would have passed under these rules. I think if he did meet these rules, and was still rejected, we've been unfairly treated. If he didn't meet these rules, we probably haven't.
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Going back to the keeper. Was it just his lack of senior caps that stopped it going through or his lack of national caps at every level?
From the looks of the report that was posted it was nothing like that, it was that the panel decided he wasn't good enough on the basis that he didn't play in a good enough league.
If that's the case, the like of Seamus Coleman shouldn't have been allowed to join Everton.
Not really. Irish people don't need work permits to live and work in the UK, Croatians do.
We could bring in somebody from say, the Bulgarian third division if we wanted without any problems.
didn't we try that with Tonev?
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I assume that it was a combination of factors rather than one specific thing. As I think peter w posted at the time, it could have been down to something as simple as his English not being good enough.
I doubt it, he was refused a governing body endorsement not a work visa so I don't think we were even at a stage of things like language coming into it, this is an FA decision so it's fair to say it will be football based criteria.
I think the conflict of interests bit is a bit misleading, the key part of the complaint seems to be the next bit
The Club’s submission is that at the primary review stage the relevant circumstances
which the Panel may take into account must exclude factors which relate to the
criteria on the basis of which points are awarded. The interpretative basis for the
argument is that the statement that the Panel “may take into account other
circumstances or facts that, even though the player has achieved four (4) points or
more, suggest that a GBE should not be granted” can only extend to circumstances
and facts which are “other” than the criteria on the basis of which the points are
awarded. The logic of the argument must therefore be that although the Panel is
expressly stated not to have an obligation to recommend a GBE, in deciding whether
or not to recommend a GBE at the primary stage it may not take into account any
factors which relate to the experience and financial value of the Player.
To me this reads as if he actually got enough points but the panel decided the way he got the points wasn't good enough for them, we complained and the arbitrator said "there's nothing in the rules to say they can't do this" and we lost.
If this is right then the criticism that someone on the board should've known the rules is unfair and we've not got him because we've been dealt a particularly shitty hand by the FA.
I may be misunderstanding something though so if anyone can make more sense of it I'd be intrigued to hear how this can be justified.
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Interesting. When you get into the technicalities of it, it certainly makes Garde's "not happy" comments a bit more open to interpretation than the assumption that it was directed at the club.
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I'm not arsed about that keeper, we've got Steer, it wasn't the priority a striker was !
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I assume that it was a combination of factors rather than one specific thing. As I think peter w posted at the time, it could have been down to something as simple as his English not being good enough.
I doubt it, he was refused a governing body endorsement not a work visa so I don't think we were even at a stage of things like language coming into it, this is an FA decision so it's fair to say it will be football based criteria.
I think the conflict of interests bit is a bit misleading, the key part of the complaint seems to be the next bit
The Club’s submission is that at the primary review stage the relevant circumstances
which the Panel may take into account must exclude factors which relate to the
criteria on the basis of which points are awarded. The interpretative basis for the
argument is that the statement that the Panel “may take into account other
circumstances or facts that, even though the player has achieved four (4) points or
more, suggest that a GBE should not be granted” can only extend to circumstances
and facts which are “other” than the criteria on the basis of which the points are
awarded. The logic of the argument must therefore be that although the Panel is
expressly stated not to have an obligation to recommend a GBE, in deciding whether
or not to recommend a GBE at the primary stage it may not take into account any
factors which relate to the experience and financial value of the Player.
To me this reads as if he actually got enough points but the panel decided the way he got the points wasn't good enough for them, we complained and the arbitrator said "there's nothing in the rules to say they can't do this" and we lost.
If this is right then the criticism that someone on the board should've known the rules is unfair and we've not got him because we've been dealt a particularly shitty hand by the FA.
I may be misunderstanding something though so if anyone can make more sense of it I'd be intrigued to hear how this can be justified.
Nope that's pretty much what I got from it. I guess all the points system does is make the application clearer to the panel. Most would at least get 4 points looking at the criteria.
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I'm not arsed about that keeper, we've got Steer, it wasn't the priority a striker was !
but with a club in the situation we're in getting the first one in place was always going to be important because it shows that we're trying to do something, getting to the last day or 2 with nothing having happened will have worked against us with Doumbia I think, we were competing with a team that's thrown money around, was easy for them to say "at least we're giving it a go, Villa aren't bothering, they look like they're already planning for relegation".
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Steer is arguably our best keeper and he's out on loan! I work with a Huddersfield fan who rates him very highly.
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Interesting. When you get into the technicalities of it, it certainly makes Garde's "not happy" comments a bit more open to interpretation than the assumption that it was directed at the club.
Yep, it's also why I think all the 'considering his future' comments about Garde are pure guesswork. As I said earlier I wouldn't be surprised if the club overruled him on one of the signings (I'd guess debuchy as I suspect Wenger wanted a big loan fee and a commitment to buy him in the summer if we stayed up and the club have looked at Sinclair and thought 'fuck that') but I don't think he was completely screwed over as some have suggested.
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Newcastle still look shit but the talk of them being fucked if they go down is not true really. They've been making large profits in their accounts and had £34m cash in the bank. They could afford to take the gamble that we couldn't.
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Newcastle still look shit but the talk of them being fucked if they go down is not true really. They've been making large profits in their accounts and had £34m cash in the bank. They could afford to take the gamble that we couldn't.
That changes quickly if you get relegated though, like most teams they can absorb the first season easily enough but if you don't get back up first try it's a different story.
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Interesting. When you get into the technicalities of it, it certainly makes Garde's "not happy" comments a bit more open to interpretation than the assumption that it was directed at the club.
Yep, it's also why I think all the 'considering his future' comments about Garde are pure guesswork. As I said earlier I wouldn't be surprised if the club overruled him on one of the signings (I'd guess debuchy as I suspect Wenger wanted a big loan fee and a commitment to buy him in the summer if we stayed up and the club have looked at Sinclair and thought 'fuck that') but I don't think he was completely screwed over as some have suggested.
I would imagine Debuchy was one factor. We apparently talked to a lot of players and I would further guess we didn't get close to a deal for a variety of reasons. One may be our position in the table. Another may be that we weren't prepared to offer enough financial enticement to tempt decent players here. Again, that could have been something Garde didn't like and perhaps something that the club changed their stance on.
There are players we apparently lost to Newcastle and I would guess they're on a fair wedge there. Perhaps more than we would have been willing to pay?
I still think Garde will look at his position again in the summer. But of course if results don't actually improve it may not be Garde's decision to leave, he may get booted.
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Newcastle still look shit but the talk of them being fucked if they go down is not true really. They've been making large profits in their accounts and had £34m cash in the bank. They could afford to take the gamble that we couldn't.
That changes quickly if you get relegated though, like most teams they can absorb the first season easily enough but if you don't get back up first try it's a different story.
And ultimately, most of those players will kick up a stink and want to leave. It might not have hindered them too much the last time as certain players were happy to sit on fat contracts, even a tier down, but they might not be so lucky this time. And furthermore the sort of players who will happily sit on a huge deal at the expense of playing at the level they should be, or even some who will end up in the reserves so as not to trigger bonuses and add-ons (Shaun Wright Phillips at QPR being a good example) are going to be no help.
Any squad getting relegated will ideally need to have a squad the following season who all want to fight for the club and put things right. Are Townsend and Shelvey going to stick around? I don't think so, and even if they do it will be for the wrong reasons.
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Newcastle still look shit but the talk of them being fucked if they go down is not true really. They've been making large profits in their accounts and had £34m cash in the bank. They could afford to take the gamble that we couldn't.
That changes quickly if you get relegated though, like most teams they can absorb the first season easily enough but if you don't get back up first try it's a different story.
They're in a position to absorb it much better than we are, we have no pot to piss in.
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Interesting. When you get into the technicalities of it, it certainly makes Garde's "not happy" comments a bit more open to interpretation than the assumption that it was directed at the club.
Yep, it's also why I think all the 'considering his future' comments about Garde are pure guesswork. As I said earlier I wouldn't be surprised if the club overruled him on one of the signings (I'd guess debuchy as I suspect Wenger wanted a big loan fee and a commitment to buy him in the summer if we stayed up and the club have looked at Sinclair and thought 'fuck that') but I don't think he was completely screwed over as some have suggested.
I would imagine Debuchy was one factor. We apparently talked to a lot of players and I would further guess we didn't get close to a deal for a variety of reasons. One may be our position in the table. Another may be that we weren't prepared to offer enough financial enticement to tempt decent players here. Again, that could have been something Garde didn't like and perhaps something that the club changed their stance on.
There are players we apparently lost to Newcastle and I would guess they're on a fair wedge there. Perhaps more than we would have been willing to pay?
I still think Garde will look at his position again in the summer. But of course if results don't actually improve it may not be Garde's decision to leave, he may get booted.
You wouldn't be surprised with this bunch.
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Interesting. When you get into the technicalities of it, it certainly makes Garde's "not happy" comments a bit more open to interpretation than the assumption that it was directed at the club.
Yep, it's also why I think all the 'considering his future' comments about Garde are pure guesswork. As I said earlier I wouldn't be surprised if the club overruled him on one of the signings (I'd guess debuchy as I suspect Wenger wanted a big loan fee and a commitment to buy him in the summer if we stayed up and the club have looked at Sinclair and thought 'fuck that') but I don't think he was completely screwed over as some have suggested.
I would imagine Debuchy was one factor. We apparently talked to a lot of players and I would further guess we didn't get close to a deal for a variety of reasons. One may be our position in the table. Another may be that we weren't prepared to offer enough financial enticement to tempt decent players here. Again, that could have been something Garde didn't like and perhaps something that the club changed their stance on.
There are players we apparently lost to Newcastle and I would guess they're on a fair wedge there. Perhaps more than we would have been willing to pay?
I still think Garde will look at his position again in the summer. But of course if results don't actually improve it may not be Garde's decision to leave, he may get booted.
You wouldn't be surprised with this bunch.
Nothing surprises me with the Villa now.
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Robinho on a free. Surely worth a gamble until the end of the season!?
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Robinho on a free. Surely worth a gamble until the end of the season!?
Along with Ronaldinho.
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[eastie] My understanding is that Matt Le Tissier is unattached and has issued a come and get me plea [/eastie]
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[eastie] My understanding is that Matt Le Tissier is unattached and has issued a come and get me plea [/eastie]
Ooooooh, le Tiss!
Can we? Go and get him? Or is that just me?
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[eastie] My understanding is that Matt Le Tissier is unattached and has issued a come and get me plea [/eastie]
Ooooooh, le Tiss!
Can we? Go and get him? Or is that just me?
Have you seen him recently, we'd need a fair few us to get him to villa park.
Ignore that, I was thinking of Merson not le tissier.
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Robinho on a free. Surely worth a gamble until the end of the season!?
Along with Ronaldinho.
Ronaldiniho is 35. Whereas Robinho is only 32. Surely he's worth a short term deal.
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Next time I bump into Mick Channon at the races I will sound him out.
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Bent and Weimann not even making Derby's squad these days
Its rare enough players we cut go onto better things, Cahill and Davis being the exceptions but something to keep in mind when it comes to reviewing the likes of Baker, Bacuna et al in the summer
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Robinho on a free. Surely worth a gamble until the end of the season!?
Along with Ronaldinho.
Ronaldiniho is 35. Whereas Robinho is only 32. Surely he's worth a short term deal.
This is a joke right?
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Robinho on a free. Surely worth a gamble until the end of the season!?
Along with Ronaldinho.
Ronaldiniho is 35. Whereas Robinho is only 32. Surely he's worth a short term deal.
This is a joke right?
Robinho on a short-term deal. He's been offered to Swansea and Leicester. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3426226/Former-Manchester-City-star-Robinho-wants-Premier-League-leaving-Chinese-Guangzhou-Evergrande.html
He's on a free and we're desperate, so surely it's worth a gamble.
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Saw this on one of them other sites, makes some interesting points
Customer Relations
The Football Association
Wembley Stadium
PO Box 1966
London
SW1P 9EQ
4th February 2016
Dear Sirs
Re: Governance Body Endorsement (GBE) Case for a UK Work Permit re Lovre Kalinic & the subsequent appeal by Aston Villa FC
OPEN LETTER
As an Aston Villa season ticket holder and a football supporter, and as a qualified financial planner, I am writing to complain about the FA procedures which prevented Lovre Kalinic the Croatian goalkeeper from transferring to the club in the January window. Having read the redacted adjudicator`s decision at the 2nd appeal stage, which is now published, I am appalled at how this case has been handled.
I understand a panel of 6 lawyers are in charge of hearings regarding GBE cases where a non EU player has applied for a work permit. Firstly let me remind the FA that Croatia became a member of the European Union in July 2013, however the UK government sort to delay this recognition for the purpose of UK entry until 2020. I would like to ask the FA how is it possible that these 6 lawyers are not vetted to see if any of them could possibly have a conflict of interest regarding ties to a rival football club in making a decision on whether a player can be deemed of a suitable standard for GBE as became apparent reading through the 2nd appeal made by Aston Villa FC?
I`d also like to ask the FA to explain why the judgement made by the adjudicator was redacted? Was this to protect the member of the panel, who failed to disclose their potential conflict of interest beforehand, from being named and shamed publicly and his ties to a club close to the bottom of premier league table at this time made apparent to the media? It reads like something the old Soviet Union produced with blackened out sections.
From reading through the judgement it is apparent that the adjudicator decided that the original appeal process had been lawful in that any conflict of interest, albeit undisclosed, could not be proved to have made a difference to the panel`s decision to overrule the points that the player had qualified for to be assessed at the original appeal.
What is astonishing in this case it that it is apparent the player actually met the 4+ points criteria but the panel overruled this qualification to state the player was not of the required standard to play in an elite league. Lovre Kalinic is 25 has played over 100 games for his club Hadjuk Split, is Captain of the team and has represented Croatian`s senior team on 2 occasions. Indeed in most International games he is the substitute goalkeeper on the Croatian bench.
Now let us compare those statistics with a 19 year old Serbian midfielder Marko Gujic who signed for Liverpool earlier in the January window and was successfully granted a GBE by the FA. This player has never made a senior appearance for his country and only ever been selected for their U21 team. He is not captain of the club he played for and in fact had only played for his club side for 30 games.
Therefore would the FA please explain how this apparent inconsistency in a process, that Greg Dyke said would make the subjective granting of work permits to play in the premier league open and transparent, has occurred?
Villa fans would like to ask the FA directly whether the same panel member who sat at the hearing for Lovre Kalinic whose name was redacted from the adjudicator`s decision had earlier been on the panel to make a judgement regarding Marko Gujic being of the required standard of player to be awarded a GBE?
How many points did Marko Gujic qualify for to reach the appeal stage? As it is admitted that Lovre Kalinic qualified for sufficient points to reach the appeal stage, but those were overruled by the panel, I`d like to ask if Marko Gujic actually met that points tally of 4 or more points or in fact was actually below the required minimum.
Looking at the criteria carefully assessing each individual section comparing the two cases, whilst not being party to all the facts, a number of outraged Villa fans have considered the following:-
Criteria 1 regarding the cost of the transfer being in the top 25% of transfers to all PL clubs - Grujic would score 0 points and Kalinic 0 points possibly.
Criteria 2 we think neither player would qualify for a point on the basis, as neither transfer is in the top half of PL transfers with similar fees paid for both players.
Criteria 3 & 4 Surely a 19 year old will not command wages within the top 25% of the top 30 earners at Liverpool? Whereas Aston Villa have cut their wage bill considerably in the past few years. Therefore we would surmise Kalinic scored 3 points under this heading & Grujic 0 points.
Criteria 5 We think both players would earn 1 point under this heading.
Criteria 6 Again we think both players meet this requirement and would earn 1 point under this heading.
Therefore assessing on the GBE appeal criteria Kalinic would score between 5 points, which is confirmed in the adjudication decision as being 4 points or more. However Grujic would score only 2 points and wouldn`t meet the required appeal criteria of 4 points or more.
How is it possible that a panel of 6 lawyers can use their powers of subjectivity, without football knowledge, to decide to overrule regarding a player who meets the requirements but deems him unsuitable yet deems a player of much less experience who does not meet the criteria as suitable and award him a GBE?
We can look at other cases both prior to the GBE criteria being brought into the work permit process and subsequently. For instance regarding Willian Borges da Silva from Brazil who only had 1 senior cap but signed for Chelsea and lately Kelechi Nwakali and Samuel Chukwueze two 16 year olds from Nigeria who have been signed by Arsenal and both granted GBEs. Alexandre Pato was granted a GBE who hasn`t played for Brazil for 3 years and probably won`t ever again and then there`s of course the curious case of Robert Kenedy aged 19 who also obtained a GBE and again signed for Chelsea having only ever played for Brazil`s U20 squad with a fee of £6.3M. Which criteria did these players meet and how many points did they qualify for?
To Aston Villa fans and no doubt the club, with due respect this whole matter stinks! The FA have allowed a lawyer who has affiliations with we surmise Newcastle, Sunderland or Norwich the teams who are currently relegation threatened rivals of the club to determine whether or not they can sign a new goalkeeper or not and invite an element of corruption into the process, which is simply unacceptable. The top clubs seem to have no trouble in securing work permits for their non EU players they wish to sign whilst a club like Aston Villa, who after all were a founder member of the football league, are treated in this manner.
The fact that other awarded cases cannot be referred to by an adjudicator at the 2nd appeal stage for him to as in effect utilise as "case law" also detracts from the justice that is applied at this stage. The adjudicators decision that the original appeal hearing`s decision may have been LAWFUL because a conflict of interest swaying a decision could not be proved, but was it equitable and fair and in the spirit of "the beautiful game"?
Therefore in light of the above as I would request that the FA urgently review this case from top to bottom, answer my complaints and DO THE RIGHT THING in the name of football if an injustice has occurred. I am also taking this matter up with the Aston Villa Supporters Trust.
I would also urge the FA to carry out an urgent review of procedures whereby panel members can hold undisclosed conflicts of interest and make decisions that can effect who professional football clubs are able to sign in transfer windows. That is a matter of great concern to all football supporters which ever team they support.
Yours Faithfully,
(Name withheld for privacy)
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Tl;dr
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Been let go by his chinese side maybe worth offering him a short term deal pay as you play til the end of the season.
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If they'd accepted relegation and refused to bring in anyone in January, they're not going to increase expenditure now.
He'll go to the Aussie league I assume.
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Players who are out of contract and do not have a club, can be signed outside of the transfer window ONLY IF they were unattached free agents when the previous window closed.
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Coming from a fellow Australian who's got nothing but good things to say about what's he done for football in our country, I'd still say that even a PAYP deal would be burning money - though, then again, it's not like we'd be saving it for any good use.
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another past it player who would offer sod all
no thanks
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a Simon Cowell type it's a no from me not least because he'd want free oxygen tank top ups at half time plus a monstrously huge basic wedge and other bonuses