January 2016 - Transfer Rumours, Speculation & Suggestions

[FatSam]

Bit harsh on Luke Young - started 75 matches in three seasons.

Yes, in fact he was so good he ended up being played on the other side to cover the inadequacy of MON's left back signings.

[glasses]

Bit harsh on Luke Young - started 75 matches in three seasons.

Yes, in fact he was so good he ended up being played on the other side to cover the inadequacy of MON's left back signings.

Whilst you're right, its worth remembering it turned out to be one of the best back fours in the league that year.

[supertom]

Bit harsh on Luke Young - started 75 matches in three seasons.

Yes, in fact he was so good he ended up being played on the other side to cover the inadequacy of MON's left back signings.

I liked him. One of those solid 7/10 most weeks kind of players. He worked hard and kept on going even during personal tragedy.
We could do with a few more with his attitude. Not spectacular, not brilliant but solid and reliable.

[FatSam]

isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?

O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!

No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.

Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.

Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?

It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.

Isn't the point that by building his own little autocracy, and then leaving in a fit of pique, MON ensured that (or at least significantly contributed to) there wasn't anyone in the club in a position to monitor or guide transfer policy. Yes, of course Randy shouldn't have let things get into that position and bears his share of the blame, but his failure was placing too much faith in MON.

[four fornicholl]

isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?

O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!

No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.

Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.

Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?

It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.

Isn't the point that by building his own little autocracy, and then leaving in a fit of pique, MON ensured that (or at least significantly contributed to) there wasn't anyone in the club in a position to monitor or guide transfer policy. Yes, of course Randy shouldn't have let things get into that position and bears his share of the blame, but his failure was placing too much faith in MON.

surely then you have to blame who took over mons roll/rolls for what happened next

[Steve67]

And when MON left, and then had the temerity to take the club to court for changing his working terms and conditions, Randy lost all love for the game and as a result of MON's shameless lack of loyalty. Both to blame in equal measure.

[Toronto Villa]

isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?

O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!

honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?

I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?

[auntiesledd]

isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?

O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!

No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.

Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.

Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?

It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.

Isn't the point that by building his own little autocracy, and then leaving in a fit of pique, MON ensured that (or at least significantly contributed to) there wasn't anyone in the club in a position to monitor or guide transfer policy. Yes, of course Randy shouldn't have let things get into that position and bears his share of the blame, but his failure was placing too much faith in MON.

Lerner's biggest mistake was to buy us in the first place - given his miserable 'reign' at The 'Browns. Perhaps he thought he'd be in the money regardless of his input? A fool & their dosh...

[glasses]

isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?

O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!

No. But it's the kind of signing that he made repeatedly that ultimately started this whole shitstorm. Beye, Shorey, L. Young for example.

Our current league position has nothing to do with him directly.
Given that during his tenure he wouldn't countenance any other influence within the club in addition to manager he was de-facto CEO, regardless of any other names floating about, until the day Faulkner called him out. That makes him partly responsible for the shitty, unsustainable state our finances were in.
How we dealt with the mess is another story, but he certainly had a role in kickstarting all of this.

Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Jean II Makoun, Ron Vlaar. As has been said over the last few weeks. We've had money to spend, it's been spent appallingly by poor managers. How much value did we get from the above on the pitch and in terms of transfer return?

It's ludicrous to even mention MON 5 years after he left as someone to blame. That we haven't got over it is more the club's problem than his. We finished 9th, sold two of the three best players in the squad the summer after he left. Since he left, only Benteke has been bought that has anywhere near wiped his face in terms of fee received and return on the pitch. None of the others have, or are likely too.

Isn't the point that by building his own little autocracy, and then leaving in a fit of pique, MON ensured that (or at least significantly contributed to) there wasn't anyone in the club in a position to monitor or guide transfer policy. Yes, of course Randy shouldn't have let things get into that position and bears his share of the blame, but his failure was placing too much faith in MON.

That's the structure he was allowed to build by someone who had never run a football club. You may be right. My real problem is the theory that MON left us with no money and a shit squad. That's just utter rubbish IMO. The autocracy on transfers like you suggest should have been dealt with in the summer we finished 9th and appointed Alex McLeish

[glasses]

isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?

O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!

honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?

I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?

Again. Darren Bent, Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given. He isn't the only one to fill the squad with those.

[saunders_heroes]

isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?

O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!

honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?

I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?

Oh give over, you're always trying to pin blame on O'Neill for our woes so stop trying to pretend otherwise. He left five and a half years ago after his third top 6 finish in the trot. He is not to blame for our decline, that blame lies directly at the door of our glorious owner.

[saunders_heroes]

isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?

O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!

honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?

I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?

Again. Darren Bent, Charles N'zogbia, Shay Given. He isn't the only one to fill the squad with those.

And handing out huge contracts to past his best Agbonlahor as well. To blame O'Neill for the huge wage mistakes is laughable when we've done it again and again since. At least O'Neill can point to results and top 6 finishes to back himself up.

[old man villa fan]

The common them running through each manager's time has been the inability to sell players, other than the stars of the team.  The reason for this is almost definitely due to how much we were paying them.

I have nothing against paying our best players good wages but we have wasted so much money on average players.

[Dave]

isn't Naismith exactly the type of mad, overpriced signing MON would have made and what put us in this mess in the first place?

O'Neill is responsible for us being bottom of the league? Ha!

honestly, WTF are you on about? How have even suggested that? Is Hannibal Lector cutting pieces of your brain and feeding it to you right now or something?

I suggested older players at exorbitant prices with little or no resale value was exactly the kind of thing MON did that ultimately created the situation we found ourselves in. Precisely the kind of thing you bash Lerner for every minute of every day is I am now assuming something you are advocating we do again?

Can we cut back a bit on this sort of thing please.

[saunders_heroes]

The common them running through each manager's time has been the inability to sell players, other than the stars of the team.  The reason for this is almost definitely due to how much we were paying them.

I have nothing against paying our best players good wages but we have wasted so much money on average players.

And now we go down the road of paying peanuts for players, and we know that attracts.