Post by: Louzie0 on October 05, 2019, 10:58:42 PM
Post by: Virgil Caine on October 06, 2019, 10:08:04 AM
Post by: danno on October 06, 2019, 12:50:48 PM
Like probably many on here last night was the first time I had watched MOTD for about 5 years. What the hell happened to Des Lynam?
I do think Gary Lineker is slowly morphing into Jimmy Hill, his facial hair does not help him in that regard.
Post by: Pete3206 on October 06, 2019, 12:55:50 PM
Post by: Risso on October 06, 2019, 01:11:10 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 06, 2019, 01:13:44 PM
One of my favourites of all time.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 06, 2019, 01:27:41 PM
I like Lineker, and as I get older I find Shearer less annoying. The rest though, I can take or leave. However I remain a fan of the double-pundit set-up, I feel it keeps the level of self-righteous pontification down. But please, never ever again let it be Hansen and Lawro.
Post by: darren woolley on October 07, 2019, 09:55:09 AM
Post by: AV82EC on October 07, 2019, 02:09:11 PM
I'm enjoying it again. A definite sign we're rapidly improving is that I can now happily watch the other teams without soiling myself at the prospect of playing them. I won't have Sky, so the pictures alone provide me with an insightful digestible package.
I like Lineker, and as I get older I find Shearer less annoying. The rest though, I can take or leave. However I remain a fan of the double-pundit set-up, I feel it keeps the level of self-righteous pontification down. But please, never ever again let it be Hansen and Lawro.
Oh I don’t know having those two being the main pundits whilst Man U swept all before them had a certain ironic humour to it.
Post by: DennisHodgetts on October 07, 2019, 02:13:41 PM
Post by: timeoutbigbar on October 07, 2019, 02:23:38 PM
I'm enjoying it again. A definite sign we're rapidly improving is that I can now happily watch the other teams without soiling myself at the prospect of playing them. I won't have Sky, so the pictures alone provide me with an insightful digestible package.
I like Lineker, and as I get older I find Shearer less annoying. The rest though, I can take or leave. However I remain a fan of the double-pundit set-up, I feel it keeps the level of self-righteous pontification down. But please, never ever again let it be Hansen and Lawro.
Oh I don’t know having those two being the main pundits whilst Man U swept all before them had a certain ironic humour to it.
They'd be insufferable now.
Post by: Diablo on October 07, 2019, 02:55:18 PM
Amazingly Danny Murphy didn't have a lot to say about us. Perhaps it was something to do with us playing well and winning? Just a thought....Have anyone ever figured out what exactly is Danny Murphy's problem? Did we do something when he was a player that he never got over or is he just after click bait/attention?
Post by: Damo70 on October 07, 2019, 03:12:16 PM
https://youtu.be/vz3XVPGWMUI
One of my favourites of all time.
So Brian, how the you rate the great Trevor Francis? ;D
Post by: taylorsworkrate on October 07, 2019, 03:14:08 PM
Amazingly Danny Murphy didn't have a lot to say about us. Perhaps it was something to do with us playing well and winning? Just a thought....
Alan Shearer was very complimentary about our performance. Murphy was critical of Norwich.
That's just pretty much how it works on MOTD. One pundit speaks about team, and one speaks about the other.
Post by: Damo70 on October 07, 2019, 03:20:21 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on October 07, 2019, 09:57:21 PM
Like probably many on here last night was the first time I had watched MOTD for about 5 years. What the hell happened to Des Lynam?
I tend to get on iPlayer during live broadcast and just watch the bits I want, but yes this season first time in many, the exile is over.
Post by: Nastylee on October 07, 2019, 10:14:01 PM
Amazingly Danny Murphy didn't have a lot to say about us. Perhaps it was something to do with us playing well and winning? Just a thought....
Alan Shearer was very complimentary about our performance. Murphy was critical of Norwich.
That's just pretty much how it works on MOTD. One pundit speaks about team, and one speaks about the other.
That's a very credible response. However, I think Murphy is a complete twat!
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 07, 2019, 10:16:03 PM
Amazingly Danny Murphy didn't have a lot to say about us. Perhaps it was something to do with us playing well and winning? Just a thought....Have anyone ever figured out what exactly is Danny Murphy's problem? Did we do something when he was a player that he never got over or is he just after click bait/attention?
Think he just said he never enjoyed playing at Villa Park and never really got why we see ourselves as bigger than Leeds who he's always hyping up.
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 07, 2019, 11:02:59 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on October 07, 2019, 11:31:41 PM
Amazingly Danny Murphy didn't have a lot to say about us. Perhaps it was something to do with us playing well and winning? Just a thought....
Alan Shearer was very complimentary about our performance. Murphy was critical of Norwich.
That's just pretty much how it works on MOTD. One pundit speaks about team, and one speaks about the other.
That's a very credible response. However, I think Murphy is a complete twat!
A Liverpool fan I know says he is very unpopular at Anfield too. Apparently one of the first things Benitez did was to drop him, then sell him and they reckon he is always doing them down ever since.
Post by: Louzie0 on October 08, 2019, 01:15:42 AM
Hopefully we will be featured under similar circumstances for the rest of the season. :)
Post by: sid1964 on October 08, 2019, 07:15:36 AM
Post by: Sdwbvf on October 09, 2019, 07:51:23 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on October 12, 2019, 01:31:10 PM
I don't reckon they were expecting to put us on second so didn't send a decent commentator. It sounded like it had been added afterwards to me.
Reminds me on the GotM competition when they used to add commentary to the entries that was not there in the original match as all they had done for that was to show a minute of highlights.
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 12, 2019, 01:50:24 PM
Post by: TopDeck113 on October 12, 2019, 02:43:43 PM
"City still looking an equalizer... and there it is!"
"Jose Bloggeski has scored on his debut in both Serie A and La Liga... and now he can add the Premier League to that list!"
Etc.
Post by: Dogtanian on October 12, 2019, 03:54:43 PM
If a game is on the radio I want a commentator to describe what’s happening in play, if I can see what’s happening on TV then I want a commentator to use his superior footballing knowledge to point out things that may not be immediately obvious, adding value. Not just stupid stats and telling now and then who just passed the ball when I’ve just seen who it was myself.
Post by: Damo70 on October 12, 2019, 04:56:56 PM
I just wish BBC Sport come clean and admit that half the MOTD commentaries are recorded in a Salford studio after the tape has been edited.
"City still looking an equalizer... and there it is!"
"Jose Bloggeski has scored on his debut in both Serie A and La Liga... and now he can add the Premier League to that list!"
Etc.
I thought Jose Bloggeski was the character Alexei Sayle played in the young ones. ;)
Post by: Damo70 on October 12, 2019, 05:00:07 PM
I absolutely loathe commentating, it’s such utter drivel. Stat after meaningless stat that has no relevance to the actual outcome of the match, getting overly excited as if everything they see is amazing and has never happened before, and very little actual knowledge imparted of what’s happening in the game aside from what the viewer can actually see himself.
If a game is on the radio I want a commentator to describe what’s happening in play, if I can see what’s happening on TV then I want a commentator to use his superior footballing knowledge to point out things that may not be immediately obvious, adding value. Not just stupid stats and telling now and then who just passed the ball when I’ve just seen who it was myself.
You should get together with my old man and have a good rant together. His opinions on football commentators and particularly football statistics are very much like yours. Alhough I should warn you he is a nose.
Post by: purpletrousers on October 12, 2019, 06:23:56 PM
I just wish BBC Sport come clean and admit that half the MOTD commentaries are recorded in a Salford studio after the tape has been edited.
"City still looking an equalizer... and there it is!"
"Jose Bloggeski has scored on his debut in both Serie A and La Liga... and now he can add the Premier League to that list!"
Etc.
I thought Jose Bloggeski was the character Alexei Sayle played in the young ones. ;)
Speaking of Alexei, series 3 of his Imaginary Sandwich Bar is a quality listen through BBC Sounds.
Post by: Damo70 on October 12, 2019, 06:31:46 PM
I just wish BBC Sport come clean and admit that half the MOTD commentaries are recorded in a Salford studio after the tape has been edited.
"City still looking an equalizer... and there it is!"
"Jose Bloggeski has scored on his debut in both Serie A and La Liga... and now he can add the Premier League to that list!"
Etc.
I thought Jose Bloggeski was the character Alexei Sayle played in the young ones. ;)
Speaking of Alexei, series 3 of his Imaginary Sandwich Bar is a quality listen through BBC Sounds.
I persuaded my Mum to accompany me to see Alexei Sayle in Birmingham around 1984 when I was thirteen. I was pissing myself laughing all through. My mum laughed once at a joke about Mickey Mouse having a Ronald Reagan wristwatch.
Post by: Dogtanian on October 12, 2019, 06:39:18 PM
I absolutely loathe commentating, it’s such utter drivel. Stat after meaningless stat that has no relevance to the actual outcome of the match, getting overly excited as if everything they see is amazing and has never happened before, and very little actual knowledge imparted of what’s happening in the game aside from what the viewer can actually see himself.
If a game is on the radio I want a commentator to describe what’s happening in play, if I can see what’s happening on TV then I want a commentator to use his superior footballing knowledge to point out things that may not be immediately obvious, adding value. Not just stupid stats and telling now and then who just passed the ball when I’ve just seen who it was myself.
You should get together with my old man and have a good rant together. His opinions on football commentators and particularly football statistics are very much like yours. Alhough I should warn you he is a nose.
I remember my dad having a big rant about a commentator before getting up (those were the days) and turning the sound all the way down. We continued watching for about five minutes before he got back up and switched it back on without a word.
Post by: Damo70 on October 12, 2019, 06:49:24 PM
Post by: Ads on October 12, 2019, 07:43:19 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on October 13, 2019, 02:36:58 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on October 13, 2019, 04:37:44 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 13, 2019, 06:05:08 PM
That said, this season i’m really enjoying it again- when we don’t lose, that is!
Post by: Dogtanian on October 13, 2019, 06:13:06 PM
I do think it would be a better show if they could pick the most entertaining matches regardless of division to show instead of assuming that a boring goalless draw is worth anyone’s time just because it’s in the Premier League.
If a match is shit, don’t show it, show more of the better ones or spend more time on analysis. These days the fans can see the highlights of anything missed online if they really want to.
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 13, 2019, 06:37:27 PM
I just wish BBC Sport come clean and admit that half the MOTD commentaries are recorded in a Salford studio after the tape has been edited.
"City still looking an equalizer... and there it is!"
"Jose Bloggeski has scored on his debut in both Serie A and La Liga... and now he can add the Premier League to that list!"
Etc.
I believe it was said years back comms at the game are given chance to re-do bits of commentary after the game if they weren't happy with how they described a goal at the time.
Guess some commentators you can actually hear the difference, get the feeling Jonathan Pearce is one who likes to re-do the odd goal narration while always feels like Guy Mowbray is usually good at knowing when a big incident is about to occur.
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 13, 2019, 08:13:20 PM
Post by: Damo70 on October 13, 2019, 08:26:02 PM
Was once the flagship of all football programs- still good but the likes of jenas, Murphy, Neville drag it down a few notches.
I quite like Jenas. As for Murphy he is refreshingly honest at times but always leans heavily towards the negative point of view. Shearer is pretty negative too. Considering Neville has had a reasonably decent coaching career since retiring he doesn't come across as a particularly good pundit. Tim Cahill is pretty good.
Post by: clash city rocker on October 18, 2019, 06:51:20 PM
Post by: Damo70 on October 19, 2019, 08:13:11 PM
Post by: OCD on October 19, 2019, 08:20:43 PM
Post by: eamonn on October 19, 2019, 08:44:52 PM
I do know that if commentators criticize a player during the commentary of a game they can often get a call from the players agent showing their displeasure and future possible interviews curtailed.
Ugh. Really? Akin to record labels pulling paid adverts for a new album from one of their artists if the publication don't give said album a glowing review.
Post by: kieron on October 19, 2019, 10:35:29 PM
Post by: andyh on October 19, 2019, 10:52:21 PM
Post by: Damo70 on October 19, 2019, 10:53:54 PM
Post by: berneboy on October 19, 2019, 10:55:00 PM
How come they've only just realised how good Jack is?
Anyone with any sense could see he's a top, top player.
And he's ours.
Post by: Villafirst on October 19, 2019, 10:57:42 PM
Jack got plenty of plaudits though. He was terrific today in front of Southgate.
Post by: garyshawsknee on October 19, 2019, 11:00:02 PM
Post by: Scovilla on October 19, 2019, 11:05:21 PM
Post by: Damo70 on October 19, 2019, 11:09:16 PM
They focussed on the goals but focussing on the goals it all comes down to Jack Grealish. What a game he had. So glad he stayed with us when he could have left while we were still a championship side.
Tottenham's legendary master negotiator Daniel Levy failed to sign him despite the fact we were skint and in danger of going bust at the time.
Post by: themossman on October 20, 2019, 09:55:50 AM
Post by: LeeB on October 20, 2019, 10:11:18 AM
Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
True, but I think it’s more because we bring excitement. Our matches are not dull.
Post by: robleflaneur on October 20, 2019, 10:19:31 AM
Post by: Risso on October 20, 2019, 10:29:21 AM
I've just watched us on motd.
How come they've only just realised how good Jack is?
Anyone with any sense could see he's a top, top player.
And he's ours.
To be fair there's been quite a good reason they haven't mentioned him in the last three years.
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 20, 2019, 11:40:27 AM
Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
Pretty much, think everyone was sick of us just doing nothing but losing in the bleak Lambert years.
Now we're playing good football and having more marketable players in the media.
Was surprised we were first (isn't their a Villa fan who's their editor?) as thought the ongoing Spurs crisis would take top bill (was amazed they were near the end).
Post by: Somniloquism on October 20, 2019, 08:45:32 PM
Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
True, but I think it’s more because we bring excitement. Our matches are not dull.
Some stats on the beeb show there has been more shots on goal by both us and the opposition combined then any other teams. Not a totally good thing though really.
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Aston Villa's Premier League games this season have seen a combined 293 shots (131 attempted, 162 faced), more than any other side, with today's game seeing 44 (24 attempted, 20 faced), the most in a single Premier League fixture since Manchester United v Burnley in October 2016 (45).
It was 43 in the Norwich match.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 21, 2019, 12:09:27 AM
Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
True, but I think it’s more because we bring excitement. Our matches are not dull.
Yep. Perhaps there was never a great anti-Villa media conspiracy and that we were just as rancid to everyone else as we all realised we were ourselves?
Post by: Comrade Blitz on October 21, 2019, 02:07:11 AM
They focussed on the goals but focussing on the goals it all comes down to Jack Grealish. What a game he had. So glad he stayed with us when he could have left while we were still a championship side.
How many times did he get back to win a ball in defence? It was mental! He's so fit
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 21, 2019, 02:18:44 AM
Anyway the footage of the game was heavily edited and it appeared quite an even game on TV.
The following week Jimmy Hill confessed that several Villa fans had got in touch to complain about the coverage.
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 21, 2019, 04:40:45 PM
I think the only time Newcastle got into the Chelsea half was when they changed ends at half time. I think they had one decent chance right at the death but other than that it was pure Bruce ball.
Now consider our game - although they were a dangerous outfit even with 10 men instead of accepting a 1-1 draw at home we went for it with 2 great attempts in the final 2 minutes of extra time ( 1 x Davis and the goal itself)
I do not ever think we will complain about our negativity again - we may lose games but never through being gutless and not trying to win
Thank McGrath we have Smith and not Bruce
Post by: Chris Smith on October 21, 2019, 05:16:29 PM
Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
True, but I think it’s more because we bring excitement. Our matches are not dull.
Yep. Perhaps there was never a great anti-Villa media conspiracy and that we were just as rancid to everyone else as we all realised we were ourselves?
Nonsense. It’s all all pervading and starts with the Illuminati and their Lizard King, Trevor Francis.
Post by: Damo70 on October 21, 2019, 09:11:53 PM
I always remember playing away to Spurs perhaps 1980 and we absolutely battered them 3-1 (just before Christmas) - I remember that I was tarted up to go out with work mates afterwards.
Anyway the footage of the game was heavily edited and it appeared quite an even game on TV.
The following week Jimmy Hill confessed that several Villa fans had got in touch to complain about the coverage.
It was the second or third game of the season I think, not long after we drew 2-2 with them in the Charity Shield. I think it was on Star Soccer but it might have been MOTD. Gary Shaw was still recovering from a pre season knee op and Terry Donovan played in his place and scored two goals. Dennis Mortimer got our other goal and Ricky Villa scored for Spurs. Ex Villa player Gordon Smith was in the Spurs line up.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 21, 2019, 09:37:27 PM
Is it me or are we generally getting more love in the media since we came back up. I guess we’re a loveable plucky attacking promoted team instead of a horrible dysfunctional team overdue for relegation.
True, but I think it’s more because we bring excitement. Our matches are not dull.
Yep. Perhaps there was never a great anti-Villa media conspiracy and that we were just as rancid to everyone else as we all realised we were ourselves?
Nonsense. It’s all all pervading and starts with the Illuminati and their Lizard King, Trevor Francis.
I'd definitely prefer the Doors if they'd had Trevor Francis as their frontman.
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 27, 2019, 11:43:46 PM
Certainly a blink and miss it feature.
Post by: LeeB on October 28, 2019, 11:14:45 AM
Anyone know at which point we feature on the opening credits?
Certainly a blink and miss it feature.
The Wolves one looks like they've just taken a picture of the city centre on a Saturday afternoon, no sunlight and wild animals roaming freely.
Post by: KRS on November 01, 2019, 10:11:42 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/StmmGGN/BD1-BFD2-B-38-A6-4887-8-F01-1-C158-CCBCCA2.png) (https://ibb.co/StmmGGN)
Like you say, blink and you’ll miss it.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 01, 2019, 11:17:19 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 01, 2019, 02:27:29 PM
Post by: IFWaters on November 02, 2019, 10:45:31 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 04, 2019, 12:35:46 AM
I was thinking this the other day. After watching back a few times, we’re on the second set of clubs with Burnley and West Ham (after the big hammer graphic) with Jack on the right above an old school rampant lion:
(https://i.ibb.co/StmmGGN/BD1-BFD2-B-38-A6-4887-8-F01-1-C158-CCBCCA2.png) (https://ibb.co/StmmGGN)
Like you say, blink and you’ll miss it.
Is our stadium even featured, ground looks more like Turf Moor. Odd when apparently MOTD editor is a Villa fan.
Post by: KRS on November 05, 2019, 10:08:56 AM
Also no idea why the West Ham imagery is much bigger, than both Villa and Burnley especially when they have a full graphic on the screen before the one above.
Post by: Louzie0 on November 06, 2019, 07:26:49 PM
Post by: brentastonb6 on November 06, 2019, 09:41:35 PM
Post by: joniboy on November 08, 2019, 02:19:52 PM
Like probably many on here last night was the first time I had watched MOTD for about 5 years. What the hell happened to Des Lynam?Met Des Lynam a few times (when I worked the door of the north stand banqueting suite - now called the legends suite ?) when bbc did a live broadcast from villa park, usually an fa cup semi. Nice bloke, quite the charmer but the first thing I noticed was that he must be about 6 foot 5 !
Post by: Villan82 on January 18, 2020, 11:13:14 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2020, 12:22:06 AM
Post by: Louzie0 on January 19, 2020, 12:22:45 AM
Post by: Villa Lew on March 20, 2020, 06:46:39 PM
Post by: Nev on March 28, 2020, 02:34:34 PM
The same old clips of the same old players.
Why not show some football, not "classic" matches, we've seen them all before countless times but archive episodes that will have some the lesser known teams and players (and for nerds like me, grounds) featured?
Post by: Damo70 on March 28, 2020, 02:38:25 PM
Post by: papa lazarou on March 28, 2020, 03:08:20 PM
Tonight TV offering is Premier league Captains
On live at 10:20pm
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000h5kh
This follows the podcast that is available.
BBC’s Match Of The Day trio, Gary Lineker, Alan Shearer and Ian Wright are bringing their knowledge, insight, wit and wisdom to brand new podcast series Match Of The Day: Top 10 - available on BBC Sounds.
Taking themselves out of the studio, the series will be recorded in Gary’s kitchen and will see the guys getting into deep discussion to produce a top 10 on a variety of topics!
The top 10 model uses the much debated MOTD television running order as inspiration. Fans will undoubtedly have their own thought on who should make the list.
I would have watched this if I was 12 years old
Post by: CT on March 28, 2020, 07:32:18 PM
A little bit like ITV did with "The Big Match".
Post by: Louzie0 on March 28, 2020, 07:41:42 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on June 20, 2020, 04:33:50 PM
Thanks for bumping this one back, Vill I An.
Post by: nuninho on June 20, 2020, 09:22:18 PM
I don't see the point...
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 21, 2020, 09:54:18 AM
Speaking of MOTD, has anyone dared to press the Red button? There is something called MOTD watchalong where there are 4 young lads talking rubbish whilst the game is on.Have you been in the match thread?
I don't see the point...
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 22, 2020, 11:01:49 AM
Highlights will include Newcastle v Aston Villa
Post by: Axl Rose on June 22, 2020, 11:19:42 AM
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2020, 11:46:59 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 22, 2020, 01:13:53 PM
Post by: CT on June 22, 2020, 04:42:04 PM
The revenge of the potato. It's written in the stars.
The cabbage bites back.
Post by: dcdavecollett on June 22, 2020, 11:59:06 PM
He totally failed to do so.
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 23, 2020, 12:07:23 AM
That Villa didn't address the right side issue and that he was surprised that this wasn't sorted out during the game.
Grealish and Targett weren't communication to do the job and responsibilities of cutting out the threat of the continuous crossing and danger from the right side.
It was nt noted or picked up that Grealish wasnt always the one who played left as he swapped with El Gahzi but they were highlighting Targett and Grealish on motd2 as not performing defensively.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 12, 2020, 10:34:27 PM
Post by: Richard on July 12, 2020, 10:42:12 PM
How predictable an irrelevant North London Derby first game up.
Totally ! Relegation games should have been shown first.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 12, 2020, 10:42:40 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2020, 10:49:36 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on July 26, 2020, 10:42:44 PM
They’re showing combinations, ooh.
The matches with us, Watford and Bournemouth are being interleaved by action, if that’s the right description.
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2020, 11:03:53 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 04, 2020, 10:17:51 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 04, 2020, 10:19:31 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 04, 2020, 10:45:29 PM
And Grealish
Villa have an incredible 6!
And we know what happens next
Post by: Louzie0 on October 04, 2020, 10:46:20 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 04, 2020, 10:47:14 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 04, 2020, 11:18:27 PM
Then what on earth is MOTD about?
Post by: danno on October 05, 2020, 01:04:05 AM
Post by: Nev on October 18, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
Wankers.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 28, 2020, 02:45:13 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 28, 2020, 03:09:20 PM
Post by: FatSam on December 28, 2020, 04:15:10 PM
Post by: Gerrin on December 28, 2020, 04:23:28 PM
I'm enjoying MOTD more than I have in a very long time as we're never on last anymore, and our play has some fans amongst the pundits, which, as a sucker for flattery, gladdens me no end after its long absence.
Same here, I watch them multiple times this season. I can't recall that ever before.
Post by: Gareth on December 28, 2020, 04:28:31 PM
Are people enjoying motd more ?
Even if have watched the game live broadcast
I know there are other avenues to watch highlights online sooner than bbc show but I've added MOTD to my watch programmes a lot more because , well we are just so good, not that we need an excuse to watch how great we are but I have tuned in to motd
I record this show now and skip to the Villa highlights but even watch the 'analysis' because its all so positive if sometimes a little cliche or lacking of in depth insight to Villa by some pundits.
What I most like are the info graphics that gets shared and find the stats most entertaining and interesting.
The recent showing of motd highlights on boxing day showed the distances and sprints the Villa players have made.
For those who still enjoy the tradition or watch football via BBC then next 2 Motd (regarding Villa highlights)
Tuesday 1030pm to including v Chelsea highlights.
Saturday 1020pm 2nd Jan including Villa Man Utd from new years day.
Up the Villa
Definitely enjoying it more this year as I only watch when we either win or get a draw we weren’t expecting :-)
Post by: Louzie0 on December 28, 2020, 04:54:56 PM
See you all later!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 18, 2021, 11:15:21 PM
Agree with Gareth, I only watch MOTD under those circumstances.
Generally the same here so obviously enjoying tonight's edition aside from wondering what the hell is going on with JJ's hair. Looks like he's had a hair transplant (even though I assume he hasn't).
Post by: Louzie0 on September 18, 2021, 11:25:30 PM
Agree with Gareth, I only watch MOTD under those circumstances.
Generally the same here so obviously enjoying tonight's edition aside from wondering what the hell is going on with JJ's hair. Looks like he's had a hair transplant (even though I assume he hasn't).
I loved our goals, and the ambition of the special set-ups, as well as Ramsey’s belter that just went wide. I hope SJM is OK.
I’ve been looking at JJ’s hair and you’re right, it does look a bit strange.
Post by: eamonn on September 19, 2021, 01:37:45 AM
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Post by: Somniloquism on September 20, 2021, 10:42:37 AM
They gushed over Brentford in the analysis of their win at Wolves for waaay longer than the time given to Villa. They were right to focus on Bailey but I also would have liked to seen Jenas or Keown earn their money with a deeper look at Luiz, Nakamba and Ramsey's dominance of the midfield in the second half.
I've not seen it, but I thought the Sky evening games could only have so much coverage anyway due to the way the rights work. It might be that they have less time to work on them then the afternoon ones or it has only just been on live anyway. Although I also expect the participants have a bearing if they are not locked down to a specific time limit.
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Post by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2022, 08:48:09 AM
Skip to around 27m 30 seconds to hear, view and see footage of the analysis
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001bms5/match-of-the-day-2-202223-28082022
He's done an article which had some of those comments
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62685677
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2022, 10:16:19 AM
Watkins Ings and Coutinho individually very good but at times they didn't look like they knew what they were doing.
Lots of balls going down the channels
Ings working hard for the team but Coutinho not really giving an option in forward space as he was staying back .
Richards highlighted the space PC needed to go in rather than way back despite his liking to hit 40 yarders
Richards seemed exacerbated having Danny Ings crossing from the left
And "I can't get my head around that Ings should be in there (the box) but again he's (Danny Ings ) trying to be a team player he's overlapping his left back. I can't believe what I'm seeing Coutinho no where to be seen and you could see Ings frustration his hands in the air what is actually going on here"
Richards also talked about the players getting in each other s way including when Buendia came on . Watkins and Ings making the same run.
The balance is all off with the team.
Richards says "Bailey needs to be integrated into the team.
What's happening when full backs aren't high up the pitch the strikers are having to go wide and no one's in the centre "
Ashely Williams says " I don't know how long we can keep having the same conversation with two up front and Coutinho as it's clearly not working
Have to go 4-4-2 and probably no room for Coutinho doesn't feel right doesn't look right no fluidity. Taken 12 points from 45 available"
Richards says "have to make someone unhappy and play a bit of width and drop Ings or Watkins"
Post by: dcdavecollett on August 30, 2022, 01:30:06 AM
Keep it up.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 30, 2022, 01:01:58 PM
Good to see Richards doing his job instead of just gurning for the cameras.
Keep it up.
Agreed but he is still an annoying prick though
Post by: rob_bridge on August 30, 2022, 01:09:46 PM
Good to see Richards doing his job instead of just gurning for the cameras.
Keep it up.
Agreed but he is still an annoying prick though
No he isn't
He is a totally an utterly contemptible bellend and annoying prick
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2022, 01:11:48 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 30, 2022, 02:21:08 PM
Being schooled tactically by Micah dickhead Richards must be a new low.
lol
Post by: Neil Hawkes on August 30, 2022, 02:32:28 PM
Being schooled tactically by Micah dickhead Richards must be a new low.Maybe he'll be our next ma..........nope, can't do it, even in jest.
Post by: Pete3206 on August 30, 2022, 08:42:04 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 30, 2022, 11:22:21 PM
I prefer him to Danny Murphy.Yes that's sort of preferring diarrhea to constipation.
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on August 31, 2022, 01:18:07 AM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2023, 10:47:09 AM
MOTD2 is tomorrow, including West Ham v Villa I do suspect they'll be a similar boycott. I was more inclined to watch MOTD2 tomorrow funnily enough.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64918162
I'm curious if viewers will also boycott these MOTD shows.
There are numerous ways to access content these days, and I particularly enjoy player interviews, which I hear or see sometimes before MOTD even airs. Same with match content. MOTD isn't one I watch live every week often, but I have it on series record and will catch up on Villa and other games in own time if i choose. I could catch the broadcast live maybe when we win though the beauty of having recording is that I can skip the 'analysis' if feel its not worthwhile. The irony is that there will be no punditry broadcasts at the moment!
I understand it's a traditional highlights show with some prestige and some football fans watch it religiously. Especially after going to a game it can fit it well at the end of the day to see the highlights.
Or Sunday morning.
Where are people with this and watching MOTD these days?
Post by: Baldy on March 11, 2023, 11:08:10 AM
The Premier League has told the 12 clubs playing today that their players and managers will not receive requests for Match of the Day interviews.
MOTD2 is tomorrow, including West Ham v Villa I do suspect they'll be a similar boycott. I was more inclined to watch MOTD2 tomorrow funnily enough.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64918162
I'm curious if viewers will also boycott these MOTD shows.
There are numerous ways to access content these days, and I particularly enjoy player interviews, which I hear or see sometimes before MOTD even airs. Same with match content. MOTD isn't one I watch live every week often, but I have it on series record and will catch up on Villa and other games in own time if i choose. I could catch the broadcast live maybe when we win though the beauty of having recording is that I can skip the 'analysis' if feel its not worthwhile. The irony is that there will be no punditry broadcasts at the moment!
I understand it's a traditional highlights show with some prestige and some football fans watch it religiously. Especially after going to a game it can fit it well at the end of the day to see the highlights.
Or Sunday morning.
Where are people with this and watching MOTD these days?
I have always recorded Match of the Day and fast forwarded through Lineker and the pundits on all occasions. No difference for me.
Watch it on a Sunday morning (unless Villa get hammered).
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 11:13:53 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2023, 11:17:01 AM
I always watch the Villa bit if we win, sometimes do if we draw and never do if we lose.
Same here.
It feels weird to have a reason to not watch motd which isn’t Villa having been shit.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on March 11, 2023, 11:41:40 AM
Thats my take on in.I always watch the Villa bit if we win, sometimes do if we draw and never do if we lose.
Same here.
It feels weird to have a reason to not watch motd which isn’t Villa having been shit.
I normally fast forward through most of the analysis and mostly avoid totally if we've had a bad weekend or maybe just watch the odd mad game.
Post by: Pete3206 on March 11, 2023, 11:50:31 AM
I think the BBC could see see some tantalising money savings on punditry if tonight's edition gets the thumbs up from the viewers. Would anybody miss them?
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2023, 12:10:10 PM
Watch MOTD on iplayer and cut out the chit chat unless they're talking about Villa.That's a great point!
I think the BBC could see see some tantalising money savings on punditry if tonight's edition gets the thumbs up from the viewers. Would anybody miss them?
Post by: Pat Mustard on March 11, 2023, 12:16:16 PM
Watch MOTD on iplayer and cut out the chit chat unless they're talking about Villa.
I think the BBC could see see some tantalising money savings on punditry if tonight's edition gets the thumbs up from the viewers. Would anybody miss them?
This is a big problem for the BBC - if MOTD is just reduced to a goals package then I can’t see the Premier League being very happy. It’s their main promotional vehicle on free to air TV in this country, and if it isn’t providing a full package then I can’t see the BBC retaining the rights to highlights in the next rights negotiation. Like it or not, MOTD is one of the BBCs Crown Jewels, lose it and it’s another nail in the coffin
Post by: Simon Page on March 11, 2023, 12:23:51 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 11, 2023, 12:24:51 PM
Mods...do they need merging ?
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 11, 2023, 12:26:30 PM
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Watch MOTD on iplayer and cut out the chit chat unless they're talking about Villa.
I think the BBC could see see some tantalising money savings on punditry if tonight's edition gets the thumbs up from the viewers. Would anybody miss them?
Yes indeed, if viewing figures for tonight's programme are up on previous weeks the gloating from the Tories will be a treat.
Post by: olaftab on March 11, 2023, 12:37:19 PM
And for these very reasons I have not seen much of MOTD for the last 12 years. So we should be grateful to our owners for making us uncompetitive and shite.Thats my take on in.I always watch the Villa bit if we win, sometimes do if we draw and never do if we lose.
Same here.
It feels weird to have a reason to not watch motd which isn’t Villa having been shit.
I normally fast forward through most of the analysis and mostly avoid totally if we've had a bad weekend or maybe just watch the odd mad game.
Post by: Gareth on March 11, 2023, 12:45:12 PM
If they wanted to discipline him then the time was after his remark about Ivan Toney betting whilst still an open investigation the other week.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 11, 2023, 12:53:24 PM
I wonder if whichever brainbox exec that thought ‘if we suspend him he will quit and we save £x per year’ will be internally popular today :-)
One thing I've learnt over the years is that no employee, no matter how good, is indispensable, especially when they can be adequately replaced by someone on a quarter of their salary.
Post by: Martyn Smith on March 11, 2023, 01:23:21 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2023, 01:28:30 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on March 11, 2023, 01:30:03 PM
Post by: paul_e on March 11, 2023, 01:34:08 PM
The Beeb seem to be constantly accused by the left and right if being biased toward the other, which leaves them pretty much where they should be doesn't it.
No, because it's absolute nonsense. The bias towards the left comes from things like their comedy and sports output, the bias to the right is in the news and political output. Trying to suggest those 2 balance each other out is exactly why we're in this trouble.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 11, 2023, 01:37:58 PM
Presumably the social media policy was in his contract , the one he happily signed when he started accepting the gazillion pounds the BBC shovel his way. If unfettered twattering was so important to him he should have negotiated a contract change before he signed it , or taken a different job.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2023, 01:37:58 PM
Post by: paul_e on March 11, 2023, 01:49:10 PM
Left wing sports output?
We're literally talking about a BBC sports presenter who has been stepped down over left-wing social media posts.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2023, 01:59:08 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 11, 2023, 02:03:29 PM
Don't get all the support for Lineker tbh.
Presumably the social media policy was in his contract , the one he happily signed when he started accepting the gazillion pounds the BBC shovel his way. If unfettered twattering was so important to him he should have negotiated a contract change before he signed it , or taken a different job.
Why the presumption? He's made over 47,000 tweets prior to now, all since he's been in the employ of the BBC. If you'd kicked it off with "he seems like a nice bloke, but", it'd read like a Harry Enfield Self-righteous Brothers sketch.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 11, 2023, 02:04:34 PM
Yes, so why does the Beeb have a left wing sports bias?
They dont, their pundits always seem to be centre forwards or defenders.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 11, 2023, 02:06:08 PM
How low has the media become when the main topics is an over paid football presenter.
I too cannot watch motd with the pundits, the grinning moron that is Richards, the manic depressive that is Danny Murphy, the no value opinion of the footballing giant Jermaine Jenus and fast forward all of the narrative to just watching the games.
None of them will be missed, especially the crisp munching cnut
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 11, 2023, 02:06:16 PM
Good point.The Beeb seem to be constantly accused by the left and right if being biased toward the other, which leaves them pretty much where they should be doesn't it.
No, because it's absolute nonsense. The bias towards the left comes from things like their comedy and sports output, the bias to the right is in the news and political output. Trying to suggest those 2 balance each other out is exactly why we're in this trouble.
Post by: Pete3206 on March 11, 2023, 02:06:49 PM
As for Gary and the gang, don't trouser a fortune in Qatar then waffle on about what great humanitarians you are.
Post by: olaftab on March 11, 2023, 02:09:48 PM
Yes, so why does the Beeb have a left wing sports bias?They have been watching Bailey and don’t rate left footed right wingers?
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 11, 2023, 02:15:13 PM
https://www.itv.com/news/westcountry/2023-03-11/bristol-rovers-to-boycott-bbcs-match-of-the-day-interviews-to-support-lineker
Post by: paul_e on March 11, 2023, 02:16:27 PM
Yes, so why does the Beeb have a left wing sports bias?
It doesn't particularly, but right-wingers use things like this to claim it does and that the BBC as a whole is therefore leftie. That's my point, Lineker posting about refugees or Nish Kumar taking the piss out of Johnson is the claimed 'left-wing bias'. So saying "both the left and the right complain of bias so they must be doing something right" is wrong because the examples of the bias are just not comparable.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2023, 02:17:11 PM
Don't get all the support for Lineker tbh.
Presumably the social media policy was in his contract , the one he happily signed when he started accepting the gazillion pounds the BBC shovel his way. If unfettered twattering was so important to him he should have negotiated a contract change before he signed it , or taken a different job.
Why the presumption? He's made over 47,000 tweets prior to now, all since he's been in the employ of the BBC. If you'd kicked it off with "he seems like a nice bloke, but", it'd read like a Harry Enfield Self-righteous Brothers sketch.
The very notion that the BBC have any impartiality is laughable when you see how much power Tim Davie and Robbie Gibb have. Not to mention Johnson's banker.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 11, 2023, 02:25:20 PM
Don't get all the support for Lineker tbh.
Presumably the social media policy was in his contract , the one he happily signed when he started accepting the gazillion pounds the BBC shovel his way. If unfettered twattering was so important to him he should have negotiated a contract change before he signed it , or taken a different job.
Why the presumption? He's made over 47,000 tweets prior to now, all since he's been in the employ of the BBC. If you'd kicked it off with "he seems like a nice bloke, but", it'd read like a Harry Enfield Self-righteous Brothers sketch.
Seems a reasonable presumption for an organisation the size of the BBC, who , again PRESUMABLY have their contracts (especially one of that size/importance) drawn up by a HR dept with some legal oversight. I run a business with 20 employees and even we have a social media policy in our contracts. Also you are "presuming" that his previous 47000 tweets have drawn no comment from the BBC - maybe he's had previous conversations with HR about it, who knows?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2023, 02:27:45 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 11, 2023, 02:54:51 PM
The post above about <removed> sums him up
Post by: saunders_heroes on March 11, 2023, 02:57:45 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
I think he’s quite a decent bloke.
Post by: Dave on March 11, 2023, 03:04:28 PM
Seems a reasonable presumption for an organisation the size of the BBC, who , again PRESUMABLY have their contracts (especially one of that size/importance) drawn up by a HR dept with some legal oversight. I run a business with 20 employees and even we have a social media policy in our contracts. Also you are "presuming" that his previous 47000 tweets have drawn no comment from the BBC - maybe he's had previous conversations with HR about it, who knows?
All good.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5LoSxWAAE3BY5?format=jpg)
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 11, 2023, 03:05:51 PM
Look up virtue signaller in the dictionary and that jug eared spunk dustbin will appear.
How low has the media become when the main topics is an over paid football presenter.
I too cannot watch motd with the pundits, the grinning moron that is Richards, the manic depressive that is Danny Murphy, the no value opinion of the footballing giant Jermaine Jenus and fast forward all of the narrative to just watching the games.
None of them will be missed, especially the crisp munching cnut
Sounds like someone could do with a hug.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 11, 2023, 03:08:14 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
I think he’s quite a decent bloke.
What's not to like ? Showing common decency and humanity for those being scapegoated by an uncaring nasty government.
On top of that he scored a shedload of goals including many for England, and having the good grace to never hit the back of the net against us at any level playing at Villa Park.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 11, 2023, 03:09:46 PM
Look up virtue signaller in the dictionary and that jug eared spunk dustbin will appear.
How low has the media become when the main topics is an over paid football presenter.
I too cannot watch motd with the pundits, the grinning moron that is Richards, the manic depressive that is Danny Murphy, the no value opinion of the footballing giant Jermaine Jenus and fast forward all of the narrative to just watching the games.
None of them will be missed, especially the crisp munching cnut
Agreed.
I usually have to turn the sound off for a couple of their commentators as well so I’m hoping they won’t turn up either and it’ll be just crowd sounds. I don’t feel the need to do this for Sky/BT/Prime/ITV, yes even Tyldesley.
Post by: Nev on March 11, 2023, 03:10:59 PM
Post by: Dave on March 11, 2023, 03:13:46 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
He worked at the World Cup as a BBC employee, paid by the BBC to present BBC coverage as he was contracted to.
So I've removed the libellous idiocy from your post.
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2023, 03:15:36 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
I'm no fan of him as a presenter per se, but I absolutely support him on this issue. It's complete double standards by the BBC and smacks of a Tory plan to divert attention from the real story.
It's worked. What is impressive though, is the complete support he has from other presenters, pundits and commentators, not to mention production staff.
They will shake and make up, the story will have done its job and the government will carry on being corrupt, evil bastards making criminals of victims whilst trousering cash and lining their own nests.
Post by: BC Villain on March 11, 2023, 03:19:48 PM
Post by: Dave on March 11, 2023, 03:20:58 PM
Sounds like the BBC don't have rights to the world feed for Premier League commentary. They're also lined up for a shoeing from the Premier League for not fulfilling the contract they have with them.
Good. Play stupid games etc.
Post by: clash city rocker on March 11, 2023, 03:21:10 PM
As David Coleman would say....
Our second game is from the rent free stadium in London involving West ham and Aston villa. In recent years villa haven't had a good record against West ham but under the new stewardship of unai emery that may be about to change. The commentator is jonnie motswana and for those of you watching in black and white one of the teams is playing in claret and blue.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 11, 2023, 03:23:24 PM
Yep, Lineker is the bad guy here, not the fuckers treating human beings like absolute shit.
You do know that people can disagree with the government and also disagree with Lineker twattering about it though don’t you? Or they could agree with what he did in this instance but generally think he’s a twat and not be arsed if he’s on match of the day any more. There is more than one way to interpret.
Post by: BC Villain on March 11, 2023, 03:29:01 PM
Sounds like the BBC don't have rights to the world feed for Premier League commentary. They're also lined up for a shoeing from the Premier League for not fulfilling the contract they have with them.
Good. Play stupid games etc.
Seems somewhat fitting https://youtu.be/es7K3LnVtW4
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 11, 2023, 03:31:02 PM
Seems a reasonable presumption for an organisation the size of the BBC, who , again PRESUMABLY have their contracts (especially one of that size/importance) drawn up by a HR dept with some legal oversight. I run a business with 20 employees and even we have a social media policy in our contracts. Also you are "presuming" that his previous 47000 tweets have drawn no comment from the BBC - maybe he's had previous conversations with HR about it, who knows?
All good.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5LoSxWAAE3BY5?format=jpg)
You needed to highlight the paragraph below that one as well though !
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 03:33:26 PM
Seems a reasonable presumption for an organisation the size of the BBC, who , again PRESUMABLY have their contracts (especially one of that size/importance) drawn up by a HR dept with some legal oversight. I run a business with 20 employees and even we have a social media policy in our contracts. Also you are "presuming" that his previous 47000 tweets have drawn no comment from the BBC - maybe he's had previous conversations with HR about it, who knows?
All good.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fq5LoSxWAAE3BY5?format=jpg)
Whether you think the highest paid presenter on the BBC is lower risk or not, he clearly hasn't complied with 15.3.15 "Individuals must clear with the head of department and the Press Office any letters to the press or public expression of opinion if they deal with the subject matter of their programmes, relate to the BBC or broadcasting, or concern matters of public policy, political or industrial controversy or any other ‘controversial subject’."
As I said in OT, I like the BBC and while it's not perfect, I like its attempt at impartiality, and the fact that it's noticeably different from the very obvious positions of The Guardian, Sky or The Times etc. Take that away, and you may as well do away with it altogether.
Post by: Clampy on March 11, 2023, 03:39:27 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
No.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 11, 2023, 03:42:08 PM
Whether you think the highest paid presenter on the BBC is lower risk or not, he clearly hasn't complied with 15.3.15 "Individuals must clear with the head of department and the Press Office any letters to the press or public expression of opinion if they deal with the subject matter of their programmes, relate to the BBC or broadcasting, or concern matters of public policy, political or industrial controversy or any other ‘controversial subject’."Part of the controversy though is about whether the BBC is applying these rules fairly and consistently across the board.
As I said in OT, I like the BBC and while it's not perfect, I like its attempt at impartiality, and the fact that it's noticeably different from the very obvious positions of The Guardian, Sky or The Times etc. Take that away, and you may as well do away with it altogether.
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 03:46:42 PM
Whether you think the highest paid presenter on the BBC is lower risk or not, he clearly hasn't complied with 15.3.15 "Individuals must clear with the head of department and the Press Office any letters to the press or public expression of opinion if they deal with the subject matter of their programmes, relate to the BBC or broadcasting, or concern matters of public policy, political or industrial controversy or any other ‘controversial subject’."Part of the controversy though is about whether the BBC is applying these rules fairly and consistently across the board.
As I said in OT, I like the BBC and while it's not perfect, I like its attempt at impartiality, and the fact that it's noticeably different from the very obvious positions of The Guardian, Sky or The Times etc. Take that away, and you may as well do away with it altogether.
Yes I do understand that. Everybody the guidelines apply to should be held to the same standards, absolutely, but that doesn't mean that Lineker isn't guilty of breaching the rules.
Post by: DrGonzo on March 11, 2023, 03:48:01 PM
If having no opinion is a prerequisite of working for the BBC then there will be no members of staff left. Lineker has made an opinion on a platform outside of his employer about a subjet he obviously has a strong emotional response to, on a subject that he isn't employed by the BBC to comment on, how does that affect his ability to discuss football?
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 11, 2023, 04:03:26 PM
The BBC is run by a man that helped Johnson secure a very large loan and is a tory party donor, Shouldn't he step down? They employ Alan Sugar and Karen Brady, one a vocal tory support the other a tory member of the house of lords, shouldn't they step down? Michel Roux got the sack (sic) for advertising potatoes but Brady can vote in line with tory legislation?
If having no opinion is a prerequisite of working for the BBC then there will be no members of staff left. Lineker has made an opinion on a platform outside of his employer about a subjet he obviously has a strong emotional response to, on a subject that he isn't employed by the BBC to comment on, how does that affect his ability to discuss football?
This is they key point for me.
I tend to align with Risso on liking the BBC and i’d go further and think its a really important institution that would be missed if, as some in the Tory party would like, it went or fundamentally changed, and its goals of impartiality are an important aspect of it as an institution.
However, you highlight some key problems with this issue and the different standards in how Linekar is being treated, with the likes of Brady. I also find it hard to equate the impartiality of an organisation whose head, is more or less a donor to the Tory party and who must of had some role in the decision to stand Linekar down.
In its own way the action against Linekar is undermining its own goals of political impartiality.
However short lived, i like the fact theres been a bit of an ‘I’m spartacus’ amongst the well paid presenters and pundits to the not so well paid production staff.
But i do fear the Torys will see this as a win win, it deflects from their politicalisation of the migrant issue, whilst undermining the BBC at the same time. I struggle to understand anyone really disliking Linekar when he uses his privileged position to call these fuckers out for the horrible ultra right bastards they are.
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 04:10:34 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 11, 2023, 04:11:44 PM
Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.And Linekar is a freelancer
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 04:14:44 PM
Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.And Linekar is a freelancer
Leaving aside his long standing dedication to avoiding paying his fair share of tax, the impartiality rules apply to presenters whether they’re directly employed or if they use a PSC.
Post by: DrGonzo on March 11, 2023, 04:17:52 PM
Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
The same was true of Michel Roux Jr which is why I mentioned his suspension and sacking over advertising Albert Bartlett potatoes. And Baroness Brady also uses the BBC brand to promote herself through The Apprentice and as such is responsible to the same rules and regs as other presenters. She is a co-presenter on The Apprentice.
Post by: Nev on March 11, 2023, 04:24:32 PM
Yep, Lineker is the bad guy here, not the fuckers treating human beings like absolute shit.
You do know that people can disagree with the government and also disagree with Lineker twattering about it though don’t you? Or they could agree with what he did in this instance but generally think he’s a twat and not be arsed if he’s on match of the day any more. There is more than one way to interpret.
Of course, but the discussion here isn't about his the man and his ability as a presenter or indeed whether he is a "complete wanker" or not. I'm not keen on his presenting style and his pleading on behalf of Nick Pope the other week was unprofessional and pathetic but that has no real relevance here.
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 04:30:36 PM
Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
The same was true of Michel Roux Jr which is why I mentioned his suspension and sacking over advertising Albert Bartlett potatoes. And Baroness Brady also uses the BBC brand to promote herself through The Apprentice and as such is responsible to the same rules and regs as other presenters. She is a co-presenter on The Apprentice.
The Apprentice isn’t made by the BBC, it’s made by a third party company called MGM television. The BBC’s contract is with them, and not Alan Sugar or Karren Brady. They’re not presenters, they’re just paid stars on an entertainment programme. It’s a different situation entirely.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on March 11, 2023, 04:33:32 PM
Lineker is freelance isn't he?Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
The same was true of Michel Roux Jr which is why I mentioned his suspension and sacking over advertising Albert Bartlett potatoes. And Baroness Brady also uses the BBC brand to promote herself through The Apprentice and as such is responsible to the same rules and regs as other presenters. She is a co-presenter on The Apprentice.
The Apprentice isn’t made by the BBC, it’s made by a third party company called MGM television. The BBC’s contract is with them, and not Alan Sugar or Karren Brady. They’re not presenters, they’re just paid stars on an entertainment programme. It’s a different situation entirely.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 11, 2023, 04:34:56 PM
Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.A distinction which may be lost on many viewers. You have two people, who both appear on flagship BBC shows, one of whom is allowed to express her opinions freely and one of whom is not, the reason for that being to do with how the two shows are produced. The BBC can't really say it has a commitment to 'impartiality' when the specifics of a contract between the BBC and independent production companies allow an imbalance. Seems to me they should both be allowed to do it, or neither.
Post by: algy on March 11, 2023, 04:36:22 PM
The Beeb seem to be constantly accused by the left and right if being biased toward the other, which leaves them pretty much where they should be doesn't it.That’s my view generally, that the BBC is fairly representative of the population and if left mostly to its own devices would be as impartial as it ought to be.
It’s a daft culture war thing for them to get in to, Lineker hasn’t really done anything wrong. I take Ads’ point about invoking Nazism too often - but ultimately right or wrong on that front, it small beer. There isn’t a single person who’s going to associate Gary Lineker’s views with those of an impartial political commentator any more than they’re going to associate Alan Sugar’s views with them. It’s absolute bollocks, the only people who really need to be mindful of what political comment they make are those that are directly involved in reporting politics impartially, and nobody in Match of the Day, the Apprentice, or bloody Great British Bake Off is going to be mistaken for a political commentator reporting the news.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 11, 2023, 04:38:47 PM
Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.A distinction which may be lost on many viewers. You have two people, who both appear on flagship BBC shows, one of whom is allowed to express her opinions freely and one of whom is not, the reason for that being to do with how the two shows are produced. The BBC can't really say it has a commitment to 'impartiality' when the specifics of a contract between the BBC and independent production companies allow an imbalance. Seems to me they should both be allowed to do it, or neither.
Exactly, by doing what they have done the bbc have opened themselves up to all sorts of scrutiny about how they apply their impartiality agenda for want of a better word.
Post by: garyellis on March 11, 2023, 04:40:56 PM
The clause 15.3.13 has to be there for a reason and can’t simply be trumped by 15.3.15
Wonder if they’d have done anything if he had tweeted agreement with the government ?
Post by: Ian. on March 11, 2023, 04:41:11 PM
His job within the BBC should not have anything to do with it. If working for the BBC means you give up your right to criticise, then maybe the BBC should not air shows like HIGNFY or Question Time.
Post by: hipkiss92 on March 11, 2023, 04:43:17 PM
The Beeb seem to be constantly accused by the left and right if being biased toward the other, which leaves them pretty much where they should be doesn't it.That’s my view generally, that the BBC is fairly representative of the population and if left mostly to its own devices would be as impartial as it ought to be.
It’s a daft culture war thing for them to get in to, Lineker hasn’t really done anything wrong. I take Ads’ point about invoking Nazism too often - but ultimately right or wrong on that front, it small beer. There isn’t a single person who’s going to associate Gary Lineker’s views with those of an impartial political commentator any more than they’re going to associate Alan Sugar’s views with them. It’s absolute bollocks, the only people who really need to be mindful of what political comment they make are those that are directly involved in reporting politics impartially, and nobody in Match of the Day, the Apprentice, or bloody Great British Bake Off is going to be mistaken for a political commentator reporting the news.
And of course Alex Neil carried on editing The Spectator for years as a BBC politics presenter without any repercussions, so the BBC are picking and choosing.
Post by: Clampy on March 11, 2023, 04:44:31 PM
If the Government can not take any criticism, especially in a country where we all have a vote, then ask said person to take the criticism back and apologise, there is something fundamentally wrong with them.
His job within the BBC should not have anything to do with it. If working for the BBC means you give up your right to criticise, then maybe the BBC should not air shows like HIGNFY or Question Time.
HiGNFY is made by a different/outside production company I think.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on March 11, 2023, 04:46:25 PM
The Stoke manager?The Beeb seem to be constantly accused by the left and right if being biased toward the other, which leaves them pretty much where they should be doesn't it.That’s my view generally, that the BBC is fairly representative of the population and if left mostly to its own devices would be as impartial as it ought to be.
It’s a daft culture war thing for them to get in to, Lineker hasn’t really done anything wrong. I take Ads’ point about invoking Nazism too often - but ultimately right or wrong on that front, it small beer. There isn’t a single person who’s going to associate Gary Lineker’s views with those of an impartial political commentator any more than they’re going to associate Alan Sugar’s views with them. It’s absolute bollocks, the only people who really need to be mindful of what political comment they make are those that are directly involved in reporting politics impartially, and nobody in Match of the Day, the Apprentice, or bloody Great British Bake Off is going to be mistaken for a political commentator reporting the news.
And of course Alex Neil carried on editing The Spectator for years as a BBC politics presenter without any repercussions, so the BBC are picking and choosing.
Post by: Ian. on March 11, 2023, 04:48:40 PM
Post by: Hampshire Villa on March 11, 2023, 04:56:43 PM
MOTD will be better without the garbage spoken by the normal suspects. Seems that some of these so called presenters have fantastic agents to push their talentless clients to the BBC who then employ them in increasing levels. I for one will not miss Gollum Murphy , the Buffoon Richards. The waste of space Jenas and the rest of the parasites. Show us more football and not endless dribble from pundits.
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 05:02:35 PM
I know that but it’s aired on the BBC. Surely though, not been able to take any form of criticism is the problem here? A Government is never going to please everyone, so making such a song and dance over Lineker is just ridiculous and helping hide the fact that they are in a right mess and we’re all having to live through it until they are removed.
If they let Lineker have his say though, then they have to let everybody else do the same, and then you risk having what makes the BBC unique disappear. I can get plenty of partisan opinions from the rest of the mainstream media.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2023, 05:02:46 PM
Match of the Day to be 20-minutes long with no commentary as grovelling BBC ‘don’t have Premier League world feed rights’
Post by: Ian. on March 11, 2023, 05:10:12 PM
I know that but it’s aired on the BBC. Surely though, not been able to take any form of criticism is the problem here? A Government is never going to please everyone, so making such a song and dance over Lineker is just ridiculous and helping hide the fact that they are in a right mess and we’re all having to live through it until they are removed.
If they let Lineker have his say though, then they have to let everybody else do the same, and then you risk having what makes the BBC unique disappear. I can get plenty of partisan opinions from the rest of the mainstream media.
Maybe the BBC need to remove the Orwell statue and message from their own site and not have those that are running it so heavily involved with the Conservative Party if it is supposed to be so impartial.
It’s not like he said what he said while hosting MOTD.
Post by: olaftab on March 11, 2023, 05:31:24 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
The post above about <removed> sums him up
Post by: eamonn on March 11, 2023, 05:33:22 PM
Post by: simboy on March 11, 2023, 05:34:54 PM
Post by: garyellis on March 11, 2023, 05:39:00 PM
The reality is that Tory attack dogs saw an opportunity to take the spotlight off the minutiae of the “small boats”, reinforcing generally positive headlines by interpreting Lineker in the way they did, whilst at the same time bashing another regular target, the BBC. It seems to have rather backfired. A generally “good week” for the government has fallen apart spectacularly.This 100%
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 11, 2023, 05:42:49 PM
Well said.Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
The post above about <removed> sums him up
Post by: olaftab on March 11, 2023, 05:45:05 PM
Whilst Brady has some profile away from the Apprentice, Sugar will be a nonentity without appearing on BBC. No one would care what he has to say and he will get no press coverage. So when he tweeted about Johnson, Labour and RMT etc he violated his BBC gained recognition. Same as Lineker.Karren Brady isn’t a BBC presenter though, she’s merely part of an entertainment programme that the BBC pay for, made by an independent production company, so the same rules don’t apply.
The same was true of Michel Roux Jr which is why I mentioned his suspension and sacking over advertising Albert Bartlett potatoes. And Baroness Brady also uses the BBC brand to promote herself through The Apprentice and as such is responsible to the same rules and regs as other presenters. She is a co-presenter on The Apprentice.
The Apprentice isn’t made by the BBC, it’s made by a third party company called MGM television. The BBC’s contract is with them, and not Alan Sugar or Karren Brady. They’re not presenters, they’re just paid stars on an entertainment programme. It’s a different situation entirely.
Post by: Rory on March 11, 2023, 05:45:28 PM
Well said.Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
The post above about <removed> sums him up
Absolutely.
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 05:45:56 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 11, 2023, 05:52:59 PM
The reality is that Tory attack dogs saw an opportunity to take the spotlight off the minutiae of the “small boats”, reinforcing generally positive headlines by interpreting Lineker in the way they did, whilst at the same time bashing another regular target, the BBC. It seems to have rather backfired. A generally “good week” for the government has fallen apart spectacularly.
Perception is everything in terms of political popularity. If the feeling is "The tories are spoiling the footy on the telly" that can stick like the Trussenomics fiasco come election time.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 11, 2023, 05:54:03 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
The post above about <removed> sums him up
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 05:55:39 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 11, 2023, 06:00:52 PM
Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.Haha…that is true. What’s happening to us😥?
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 11, 2023, 06:00:53 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
The post above about <removed> sums him up
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
Which bit of the language he used offends you out of interest?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 11, 2023, 06:05:20 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
The post above about <removed> sums him up
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
Which bit of the language he used offends you out of interest?
None of it. Why?
Post by: olaftab on March 11, 2023, 06:07:02 PM
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.Agree on the wording, could have been different but it was necessary to raise the profile of issue he felt as unjust. So it’s rather remiss to say he didn’t think it was going to be an issue, in fact he probably wanted it to be as large as it is now.
Post by: UK Redsox on March 11, 2023, 06:07:09 PM
Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.
He might be both those things……but that doesn’t stop him being right about the Government.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 11, 2023, 06:08:16 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
The post above about <removed> sums him up
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
Which bit of the language he used offends you out of interest?
None of it. Why?
You mentioned fighting a cause without using the language he used, apologies for my presumption that it offended you. Perhaps i should of asked which language you think he shouldn’t of used?
Post by: AV82EC on March 11, 2023, 06:08:56 PM
Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.
Risso for those of us not paying attention at the back I’ve often seen these allegations thrown at him about tax avoidance, what’s the story? I had heard he’d been swept up in the IR35 shenanigans a decade or so ago is it that?
Post by: garyellis on March 11, 2023, 06:12:24 PM
Probably strengthens the point about freedom of speech regardless of who it is and what the motivation is behind preventing it.Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.Haha…that is true. What’s happening to us😥?
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 06:16:19 PM
Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.
Risso for those of us not paying attention at the back I’ve often seen these allegations thrown at him about tax avoidance, what’s the story? I had heard he’d been swept up in the IR35 shenanigans a decade or so ago is it that?
No, about ten years ago he took part in a devious tax avoidance scheme that was defeated and he had to pay £5m in tax, penalties and interest. Since then, he’s been using his PSC to contract with the BBC. HMRC have taken the view that somebody who presents a telly programme every week in a set format should probably be considered an employee and taxed accordingly. In this rare instance, I completely agree with them. MOTD existed long before Lineker appeared, he has to present it in a set way and there’s no risk to him in doing so. If he leaves as now looks likely, somebody else will just come in a do much the same sort of job.
Post by: algy on March 11, 2023, 06:20:44 PM
But nobody is going to confuse stuff Gary Lineker writes on Twitter with the reasoned thoughts of the BBC's political correspondent on News at 10.I know that but it’s aired on the BBC. Surely though, not been able to take any form of criticism is the problem here? A Government is never going to please everyone, so making such a song and dance over Lineker is just ridiculous and helping hide the fact that they are in a right mess and we’re all having to live through it until they are removed.
If they let Lineker have his say though, then they have to let everybody else do the same, and then you risk having what makes the BBC unique disappear. I can get plenty of partisan opinions from the rest of the mainstream media.
I think we as a country need to be very careful not to start banning people in the public eye from having & stating their political opinions. Obviously there's some nuance in that - someone like George Alagiah needs to be a little more careful around how he presents his opinions, because he holds a position where people expect him to provide the impartial news from which they'll form opinions. But for 99% of the BBC's employees they're simply not in that situation, and honestly nobody thinks that Jeremy Clarkson or Gary Neville are providing them with an impartial view on the state of affairs.
It's a load of bollocks, and everyone knows it's a load of bollocks. It's a non-issue that's most likely been hyped up because someone wants to create a distraction.
Post by: AV82EC on March 11, 2023, 06:22:33 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2023, 06:27:28 PM
Agreed. As someone who also works in this way I make damn sure my IR35 status is determined from both sides well before starting any contract. His role at the BBC would seem to be inside IR35 with obviously scant knowledge of his contract.
Not so sure how you can say that without knowing the details (as you said, scant knowledge)?
He also works for BT Sport, for example, and runs a podcasting company. I am sure, whatever his situation, he'll have had people being careful with that on his behalf.
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 06:30:45 PM
Agreed. As someone who also works in this way I make damn sure my IR35 status is determined from both sides well before starting any contract. His role at the BBC would seem to be inside IR35 with obviously scant knowledge of his contract.
Not so sure how you can say that without knowing the details (as you said, scant knowledge)?
He also works for BT Sport, for example, and runs a podcasting company. I am sure, whatever his situation, he'll have had people being careful with that on his behalf.
As I’m sure will be found to be the case when the case is decided, there’s no way on god’s green earth that he shouldn’t be an employee when presenting MOTD.
Post by: Ads on March 11, 2023, 06:32:53 PM
His brother on the other hand...
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 11, 2023, 06:34:45 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
The post above about <removed> sums him up
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
Which bit of the language he used offends you out of interest?
None of it. Why?
You mentioned fighting a cause without using the language he used, apologies for my presumption that it offended you. Perhaps i should of asked which language you think he shouldn’t of used?
Ok fair enough. Like I said earlier I think his arrogance meant that he thought he could say what he liked. In terms of the language used he should have stuck to the concerns he had about the specific government policy and it’s likely effects.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 11, 2023, 06:39:42 PM
Post by: dr.chekov on March 11, 2023, 06:46:53 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 11, 2023, 06:49:14 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
The post above about <removed> sums him up
You can fight a cause without using the language that has caused the controversy, and led to the action. And if you think that he thought he’d lose his job over it I’d say you’re giving him too much credit. I think he’s so arrogant that he thought the rules don’t apply to him, and it wouldn’t be an issue. He suggested as such to the press.
Which bit of the language he used offends you out of interest?
None of it. Why?
You mentioned fighting a cause without using the language he used, apologies for my presumption that it offended you. Perhaps i should of asked which language you think he shouldn’t of used?
Ok fair enough. Like I said earlier I think his arrogance meant that he thought he could say what he liked. In terms of the language used he should have stuck to the concerns he had about the specific government policy and it’s likely effects.
Surely he can say whatever he wants, on any subject he pleases?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 11, 2023, 06:53:19 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2023, 07:02:06 PM
Yes, so why does the Beeb have a left wing sports bias?
It doesn't particularly, but right-wingers use things like this to claim it does and that the BBC as a whole is therefore leftie. That's my point, Lineker posting about refugees or Nish Kumar taking the piss out of Johnson is the claimed 'left-wing bias'. So saying "both the left and the right complain of bias so they must be doing something right" is wrong because the examples of the bias are just not comparable.
Well I suppose what I think of the Beeb is coloured byR4 as that’s pretty much what I consume these days when I’m in the car.
It’s very fair, they get right into the ribs of politicians of all hues, Ive never voted anything but Labour in all my years on this earth but if anything, they seem to give our boys and girls and slightly easier ride, maybe understandably because there isn’t any power to hold to account.
In short, I don’t think the Beeb is institutionally biased.
Post by: Simon Page on March 11, 2023, 07:11:44 PM
The Apprentice isn’t made by the BBC, it’s made by a third party company called MGM television. The BBC’s contract is with them, and not Alan Sugar or Karren Brady. They’re not presenters, they’re just paid stars on an entertainment programme. It’s a different situation entirely.
You keep going down this line and, frankly, it's horseshit. I know the BBC guidelines inside out through 20 years of having to abide by them and having to go on a pointless awareness course every time "talent" or an idiot, arrogant manager fucks them up. Genuinely pointless courses given I have no social media and never have.
They are applied on a totally ad hoc basis. The point behind them - and again, I've sat through hours of cnuts in loafers telling me this after someone else has screwed up - is you don't link your views to your BBC output. So, a hack on BBC news is pretty much gagged. A presenter of BBC political programme is (meant to be but it's a very moveable feast) gagged. A freelance football pundit isn't, unless an idiot in NBH decides to go down the route of panicking over the reactions of politicians or newspapers. A presenter on a bought in show, even one that does more to inform the public on business than any other, isn't bound by them UNLESS the BBC bosses choose to make them. If the BBC had any kind of consistency, The Apprentice wouldn't be on the BBC anymore or Gary Lineker would be. Jump around who produces what as much as you like, this is simply the BBC falling over itself to avoid a scandal and, as is fairly common, instead placing itself in the middle of one.
To be very clear, Gary Lineker and Alan Sugar can write whatever they like on their social media in ways that BBC employees can't. Everything beyond that is a choice of BBC management.
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 07:22:50 PM
Post by: Simon Page on March 11, 2023, 07:28:20 PM
Alan Sugar and Andrew Neill broke the (old) rules, but as those rules are at the whim of BBC managers, they weren't subject to consequences. Neither was Lineker on previous times he has broken old and new rules. Until now. This is a story of BBC idiocy and inconsistency, nothing else.
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 07:33:01 PM
I'd kindly point out that the rules are applied on the whim of BBC management. If they'd not shat themselves (and believe me this isn't a grand conspiracy of the right) they would have said they disagree with his choice of wording and they will be speaking with him about that. Instead, they took a position and are now in deep, as is so common with them.
Alan Sugar and Andrew Neill broke the (old) rules, but as those rules are at the whim of BBC managers, they weren't subject to consequences. Neither was Lineker on previous times he has broken old and new rules. Until now. This is a story of BBC idiocy and inconsistency, nothing else.
I agree that the rules should be applied consistently. That doesn’t mean that ignoring Lineker again is the right course of action though.
Post by: Simon Page on March 11, 2023, 07:39:51 PM
The problem with the BBC has always been the people at the top and their HR stasi not realising that they have the easiest job in UK public life and they just have to not balls it up.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 11, 2023, 07:41:08 PM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?
The post above about <removed> sums him up
I think he’s quite a decent bloke.
What's not to like ? Showing common decency and humanity for those being scapegoated by an uncaring nasty government.
On top of that he scored a shedload of goals including many for England, and having the good grace to never hit the back of the net against us at any level playing at Villa Park.
I strongly agree.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 11, 2023, 07:44:06 PM
Never thought I’d see the good folk of H&V so keen on a multi-millionaire tax avoider.
Haha…that is true. What’s happening to us😥?
:) That thought had crossed my mind once or twice during this brouhaha.
Based on a couple of things I've about Lineker's antics over the years, Hookeysmith's description of him was, if anything, overly kind.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 11, 2023, 07:59:18 PM
Post by: Ian. on March 11, 2023, 08:09:01 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on March 11, 2023, 08:14:52 PM
Post by: dr.chekov on March 11, 2023, 08:19:57 PM
Post by: Ian. on March 11, 2023, 08:21:20 PM
I think the Government will be absolutely overjoyed at how this has played out, they are very, very good at distraction.
Yep, it was a distraction tactic in the first place with a policy which is illegal and can’t actually happen. Now it’s resulted in a huge distraction and depending on what side of the fence you sit either the BBC are the bad people or Lineker is.
Post by: Dave Cooper please on March 11, 2023, 08:26:08 PM
I know that but it’s aired on the BBC. Surely though, not been able to take any form of criticism is the problem here? A Government is never going to please everyone, so making such a song and dance over Lineker is just ridiculous and helping hide the fact that they are in a right mess and we’re all having to live through it until they are removed.
If they let Lineker have his say though, then they have to let everybody else do the same, and then you risk having what makes the BBC unique disappear. I can get plenty of partisan opinions from the rest of the mainstream media.
Or maybe they just allow their presenters to have opinions on social media as long as they don't preach while on air?
Post by: Dave Cooper please on March 11, 2023, 08:28:34 PM
It’s been suggested in certain quarters that he’s been using his Twitter posting as a weapon in his battle against HMRC.
"in certain quarters"
Please expand.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on March 11, 2023, 08:29:40 PM
I think the Government will be absolutely overjoyed at how this has played out, they are very, very good at distraction.Oh absolutely.
Unfortunately its been a perfect week for them pretty much.
Huge distraction issue over migrant crossings and a handy percentage of the population pour scorn on the wrong targets, which should be this government and what it now represents.
Let's throw the hand grenade into the room, and we'll piss off and leave the BBC and Lineker to deal with the damage.
Extremely well played!
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 11, 2023, 08:38:08 PM
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2023, 08:40:34 PM
It’s been suggested in certain quarters that he’s been using his Twitter posting as a weapon in his battle against HMRC.
"in certain quarters"
Please expand.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/07/gary-linekers-political-tweets-could-help-him-avoid-49m-tax-bill
Post by: Exeter 77 on March 11, 2023, 09:30:50 PM
https://youtu.be/M62PN5OVQYk
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 11, 2023, 09:32:07 PM
Yes, so why does the Beeb have a left wing sports bias?
It doesn't particularly, but right-wingers use things like this to claim it does and that the BBC as a whole is therefore leftie. That's my point, Lineker posting about refugees or Nish Kumar taking the piss out of Johnson is the claimed 'left-wing bias'. So saying "both the left and the right complain of bias so they must be doing something right" is wrong because the examples of the bias are just not comparable.
Well I suppose what I think of the Beeb is coloured byR4 as that’s pretty much what I consume these days when I’m in the car.
I also get most of my BBC hours in via R4 and I’d say that their interviewers are generally good at asking the right questions of the government, though I frequently get frustrated at the way they move on from a question that has only been partially answered or where lies and fake statistics have been conjured up. I perhaps leniently attribute this to the short time slots allotted to interviewees.
Post by: Dave Cooper please on March 11, 2023, 09:35:51 PM
It’s been suggested in certain quarters that he’s been using his Twitter posting as a weapon in his battle against HMRC.
"in certain quarters"
Please expand.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/may/07/gary-linekers-political-tweets-could-help-him-avoid-49m-tax-bill
There's some heavy lifting in that article!
"I don't really hate the Tories and all they stand for, I just tweet that stuff to avoid a bit of tax".
Bollocks really isn't it?
I mean, I don't doubt he avoids tax, most rich bastards do, but he doesn't do it by tweeting about how the Tories are ******.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 11, 2023, 09:59:52 PM
Johnson then recommended Sharpe to be the Chair of the BBC to the Privvy council who appointed him.
So Lineker gets the kitchen sink thrown at him, for making some pretty accurate comparisons about the kind of dog-whistle language being used. Yet the chair of his organisation is about as politically neutral as Thatcher.
The Beeb is in a Tory created pickle and they need to make some good decisions to get through this crisis.
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on March 11, 2023, 10:27:25 PM
Post by: avfcdale on March 11, 2023, 10:34:34 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 11, 2023, 10:54:07 PM
Love Villa, hate the Tories.
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2023, 11:08:37 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 11, 2023, 11:28:04 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 11, 2023, 11:29:02 PM
Anyway, the most important point about all this is that I now, thanks to Lucy Verasamy, and ITV, have a better idea about the weather for tomorrow than I otherwise may have.If Lucy presents MOTD it will be a much better proposition
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 11, 2023, 11:41:37 PM
A chance to watch Sully again. Thank you Gary.
You're welcome, it's also on Tuesday at 10.40pm if you want to watch it again.
Post by: WassallVillain on March 12, 2023, 01:02:27 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 12, 2023, 03:58:39 AM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
The post above about <removed> sums him up
Including the Taliban and other terrorist groups? Not everyone or everything has to politicised and not everyone who disagrees is a Tory apologist.
Post by: ROBBO on March 12, 2023, 04:03:55 AM
Post by: Rory on March 12, 2023, 05:38:37 AM
Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
The post above about <removed> sums him up
Including the Taliban and other terrorist groups? Not everyone or everything has to politicised and not everyone who disagrees is a Tory apologist.
Given one of the main points of contention here was an inapt comparison, I find your choice of the Taliban rather interesting.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 12, 2023, 06:12:39 AM
I'm confused, why are people escaping hunger and violence, desperate to live in a free and democratic society, leave France which is, I believe, free and democratic, and are willing to risk their lives just to reach another free and democratic country. I'm bemused.
Three potential reasons why people might want to come to the UK over somewhere else, but it will depend on each persons circumstance:
1) language - many more people can speak English than French
2) family or friend connections in the UK
3) ID cards - it’s easier to find work in the UK than France prior to your case being approved or not.
But your question is a little bit of a red herring. As France receives double the asylum applications of the UK.
In the year ending September 2021, Germany received the highest number of asylum applicants (127,730) in the EU+, followed by France (96,510). When compared with the EU+ for the same period, the UK received the 4th largest number of applicants (44, 190 – including main applicants and dependents).
The only way to solve the migrant crisis is for countries to work together and take in a fair number of refugees based on their population size. At the moment the burden falls unevenly.
Spoiler alert the UK is nowhere near doing our bit despite what Suella and Rishi would have you believe for political ends. 36% are hosted in five countries.
Turkey 3.7 million
Colombia 2.5 million
Germany 2.2 million
Pakistan 1.5 million
Uganda 1.5 million
One of the many problems with what the Gov want to do is that it won’t work as it targets the trafficked rather than the traffickers. If the Government placed their energy into providing an asylum system that is fit for purpose and hit the traffickers (many of whom live in the UK) rather than desperate people who are travelling here on little more than inflatable paddling pools we might get somewhere. As it is, the only game they’re playing is whipping up hate. They’re a Government of campaigning and propaganda rather than delivery, pretty pathetic. But hopefully this is the death throes.
The Gov has done well out of this Beeb thing as it’s whipped up their base who have been shown to be riled by this ‘issue’ in focus groups. Gary comes out of it well as he is saying what I and many others think. The Beeb is the fall guy, as they are compromised from the very top of their organisation because of their Chair being a very political appointment.
Post by: LeonW on March 12, 2023, 06:34:35 AM
Post by: Rigadon on March 12, 2023, 07:25:00 AM
Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
Post by: Baldy on March 12, 2023, 07:37:03 AM
To be honest it was rubbish without the banter, analysis and interviews. Too short.
I enjoy having the 'fast forward' option when Micah, Murphy and a few others are on air.
I hope 'normal service is resumed as soon as possible'. :(
Post by: Drummond on March 12, 2023, 07:39:50 AM
I'm confused, why are people escaping hunger and violence, desperate to live in a free and democratic society, leave France which is, I believe, free and democratic, and are willing to risk their lives just to reach another free and democratic country. I'm bemused.
Three potential reasons why people might want to come to the UK over somewhere else, but it will depend on each persons circumstance:
1) language - many more people can speak English than French
2) family or friend connections in the UK
3) ID cards - it’s easier to find work in the UK than France prior to your case being approved or not.
But your question is a little bit of a red herring. As France receives double the asylum applications of the UK.
In the year ending September 2021, Germany received the highest number of asylum applicants (127,730) in the EU+, followed by France (96,510). When compared with the EU+ for the same period, the UK received the 4th largest number of applicants (44, 190 – including main applicants and dependents).
The only way to solve the migrant crisis is for countries to work together and take in a fair number of refugees based on their population size. At the moment the burden falls unevenly.
Spoiler alert the UK is nowhere near doing our bit despite what Suella and Rishi would have you believe for political ends. 36% are hosted in five countries.
Turkey 3.7 million
Colombia 2.5 million
Germany 2.2 million
Pakistan 1.5 million
Uganda 1.5 million
One of the many problems with what the Gov want to do is that it won’t work as it targets the trafficked rather than the traffickers. If the Government placed their energy into providing an asylum system that is fit for purpose and hit the traffickers (many of whom live in the UK) rather than desperate people who are travelling here on little more than inflatable paddling pools we might get somewhere. As it is, the only game they’re playing is whipping up hate. They’re a Government of campaigning and propaganda rather than delivery, pretty pathetic. But hopefully this is the death throes.
The Gov has done well out of this Beeb thing as it’s whipped up their base who have been shown to be riled by this ‘issue’ in focus groups. Gary comes out of it well as he is saying what I and many others think. The Beeb is the fall guy, as they are compromised from the very top of their organisation because of their Chair being a very political appointment.
Applause
Post by: TelfordVilla on March 12, 2023, 07:52:17 AM
Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.I enjoyed it. I dont usually watch it because of 'all the banter' and pompous hosts and commentators. I wouldnt normally have watched last night as there was no Villa involvement but I wanted to support the programme being buffoon free.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 12, 2023, 07:52:39 AM
I'm confused, why are people escaping hunger and violence, desperate to live in a free and democratic society, leave France which is, I believe, free and democratic, and are willing to risk their lives just to reach another free and democratic country. I'm bemused.
Three potential reasons why people might want to come to the UK over somewhere else, but it will depend on each persons circumstance:
1) language - many more people can speak English than French
2) family or friend connections in the UK
3) ID cards - it’s easier to find work in the UK than France prior to your case being approved or not.
But your question is a little bit of a red herring. As France receives double the asylum applications of the UK.
In the year ending September 2021, Germany received the highest number of asylum applicants (127,730) in the EU+, followed by France (96,510). When compared with the EU+ for the same period, the UK received the 4th largest number of applicants (44, 190 – including main applicants and dependents).
The only way to solve the migrant crisis is for countries to work together and take in a fair number of refugees based on their population size. At the moment the burden falls unevenly.
Spoiler alert the UK is nowhere near doing our bit despite what Suella and Rishi would have you believe for political ends. 36% are hosted in five countries.
Turkey 3.7 million
Colombia 2.5 million
Germany 2.2 million
Pakistan 1.5 million
Uganda 1.5 million
One of the many problems with what the Gov want to do is that it won’t work as it targets the trafficked rather than the traffickers. If the Government placed their energy into providing an asylum system that is fit for purpose and hit the traffickers (many of whom live in the UK) rather than desperate people who are travelling here on little more than inflatable paddling pools we might get somewhere. As it is, the only game they’re playing is whipping up hate. They’re a Government of campaigning and propaganda rather than delivery, pretty pathetic. But hopefully this is the death throes.
The Gov has done well out of this Beeb thing as it’s whipped up their base who have been shown to be riled by this ‘issue’ in focus groups. Gary comes out of it well as he is saying what I and many others think. The Beeb is the fall guy, as they are compromised from the very top of their organisation because of their Chair being a very political appointment.
Its a really excellent post. The Torys know their policy around this wont work and they don’t care as the point of is not its success or failure, its a party political policy in build up to a general election, to play on some peoples concerns and whip up hatred. They really are a shower.
Post by: TelfordVilla on March 12, 2023, 07:56:16 AM
Have I missed something here; Lineker (seemingly with the BBC’s support) was ok to criticise Qatar on the hosting of the World Cup during the opening ceremony based upon a host of reasons but not ok to raise a political point about a Conservative government policy? Are these mutually exclusive political points; as in, it’s ok to have a view about one political matter, but not another?Lineker is allowed to criticise Qatar etc but not allowed to criticise the Conservative government as they are (apparently) his employers, indirectly. His contract requires him to be impartial in political affairs concerning the government of the day.
Post by: algy on March 12, 2023, 08:03:32 AM
Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.Apparently I'm an outlier on here, but I quite like Lineker as a host. The pundits are hit & miss - I get the impression that a lot of can't offer much more insight than Gerrard's "moments of magic", maybe because like him a lot of their ability had been through instinct rather than having to consciously work on it. I don't know though. One of the female pundits they have on, I forget her name but she was working at the world cup, is dead good and could actually offer bits of insight that weren't absolutely bloody obvious from watching the coverage.
Post by: LeonW on March 12, 2023, 08:13:26 AM
Have I missed something here; Lineker (seemingly with the BBC’s support) was ok to criticise Qatar on the hosting of the World Cup during the opening ceremony based upon a host of reasons but not ok to raise a political point about a Conservative government policy? Are these mutually exclusive political points; as in, it’s ok to have a view about one political matter, but not another?Lineker is allowed to criticise Qatar etc but not allowed to criticise the Conservative government as they are (apparently) his employers, indirectly. His contract requires him to be impartial in political affairs concerning the government of the day.
I’m beginning to think this is entirely the point.
Post by: Ian. on March 12, 2023, 08:41:57 AM
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 12, 2023, 08:49:19 AM
Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
That bastion of truth John Redwood said it was great so one of you isn’t telling the truth.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 12, 2023, 08:53:28 AM
Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
That bastion of truth John Redwood said it was great so one of you isn’t telling the truth.
I preferred it and would be happy if it continued, just make it longer, say 40 mins to an hour depending on the number of games.
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 12, 2023, 09:01:41 AM
Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
That bastion of truth John Redwood said it was great so one of you isn’t telling the truth.
I preferred it and would be happy if it continued, just make it longer, say 40 mins to an hour depending on the number of games.
It’s normally about an hour isn’t it? I never watch all of it only the Villa bits so I wonder if a producer is trying to make a point that of that hour 40 minutes of it is Lineker and Co chatting?
Post by: WassallVillain on March 12, 2023, 09:05:11 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 12, 2023, 09:15:48 AM
Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
That bastion of truth John Redwood said it was great so one of you isn’t telling the truth.
I preferred it and would be happy if it continued, just make it longer, say 40 mins to an hour depending on the number of games.
It’s normally about an hour isn’t it? I never watch all of it only the Villa bits so I wonder if a producer is trying to make a point that of that hour 40 minutes of it is Lineker and Co chatting?
Depends of number of games but It usually starts around 10.20 to 10.30 and runs anything from 11.30 to 12.00
Anyway, more football and less prattle (including commentary) is fine by me. I think somehow I’d miss commentary on live matches though, and maybe a bit of half time studio chatter.
Post by: BC Villain on March 12, 2023, 09:29:19 AM
Just watched it.
To be honest it was rubbish without the banter, analysis and interviews. Too short.
I enjoy having the 'fast forward' option when Micah, Murphy and a few others are on air.
I hope 'normal service is resumed as soon as possible'. :(
I don't see how they come back from this now. Lineker won't be back unless either he makes a massive climb down, which he won't if he's got any principles and values. Sadly, the BBC don't have any bollocks (well they do, it's just that right-wingers are busy playing with them).
Then anyone who agrees to take his place will immediately be labelled as a scab.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 12, 2023, 09:33:50 AM
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
Post by: PeterWithe on March 12, 2023, 09:36:58 AM
Post by: Ian. on March 12, 2023, 09:41:47 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 12, 2023, 09:56:23 AM
Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
That bastion of truth John Redwood said it was great so one of you isn’t telling the truth.
I preferred it and would be happy if it continued, just make it longer, say 40 mins to an hour depending on the number of games.
They can't though. The reason to have the in-house team is for filler as in most cases they use the limit of the amount of highlights they can show a match contractually.
TBH, the show probably became an irrelevance the moment the Sky Sports website (plus others) could show the goals to people for free within an hour of the game finishing. Prior to that MotD used to be the only place to see the goals for a second time if at the match or first time if not.
Post by: Drummond on March 12, 2023, 10:07:43 AM
A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
If I didn't know better I'd say you were a Tory trying to stifle debate about shit they are. 😉
The very topic is the talk of the nation, and football and politics, in this case, are inextricably linked.
The unfortunate truth is that the government of the day are trying to silence one of the most popular sports broadcasters there is. It will end badly.
Post by: Clampy on March 12, 2023, 10:17:10 AM
A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
You could just choose not to read it.
Post by: dr.chekov on March 12, 2023, 10:18:26 AM
A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
Don’t see how you could do this. Football isn’t in some untouched place outside society/politics. The way it’s run, ownership issues, the way the fans are treated, the way the players are walking billboards for betting companies, it’s all political, isn’t it?
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 12, 2023, 10:21:59 AM
A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
Don’t see how you could do this. Football isn’t in some untouched place outside society/politics. The way it’s run, ownership issues, the way the fans are treated, the way the players are walking billboards for betting companies, it’s all political, isn’t it?
My understanding is this is a MOTD thread, and it's very current issue so nothing is off the table in discussions so it's inevitable comments and opinions are going to have some elements of politics. Live and let live in regards to discussion. And debate if you feel that needs be or not.
Anyhow..
MOTD 2 tonight Sunday West Ham v Villa highlights.
MOTD 2 programme, which regular airs on Sundays throughout the season, does have a focus directly on football matters here in Villa related material and it is connected to the ongoing situation.
What is the latest information regarding how, if at all, it will be broadcast this evening and on the iPlayer feature? And under what guise? Commentary? Hosts? Furthermore, the player and management interviews from West Ham vs. Villa are possible not to be shown if it's the same as MOTD Saturday
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 12, 2023, 10:22:45 AM
There are other threads.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 12, 2023, 10:29:10 AM
Viewing figures were up last night from 2.1m to 2.6m. That could be down to being starved of football coverage in the day to simple curiosity from some. Expect it to get trotted out by some tories as " the public supports us".
Post by: Nev on March 12, 2023, 10:33:50 AM
I watched bit of it last night albeit 3 parts pissed. It just came across as a highlights package.
Post by: Nev on March 12, 2023, 10:34:14 AM
Tory Bastards!
Post by: olaftab on March 12, 2023, 10:40:03 AM
And Qatar is them foreign people and Muslim as well so fair game as they are bound to be doing something wrong unlike that decent kind hearted ultra intelligent Suella and Co.Have I missed something here; Lineker (seemingly with the BBC’s support) was ok to criticise Qatar on the hosting of the World Cup during the opening ceremony based upon a host of reasons but not ok to raise a political point about a Conservative government policy? Are these mutually exclusive political points; as in, it’s ok to have a view about one political matter, but not another?Lineker is allowed to criticise Qatar etc but not allowed to criticise the Conservative government as they are (apparently) his employers, indirectly. His contract requires him to be impartial in political affairs concerning the government of the day.
Post by: coreyfeldman on March 12, 2023, 10:40:10 AM
A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
If you say that then you'd have to stop the pun-athons that usually last for 2 or 3 pages before getting back on topic. Though I'm not sure if you're being ironic, if you are then fair play
Post by: Dave on March 12, 2023, 10:40:36 AM
A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
What exactly were you expecting to find in a thread about Match Of The Day given the news cycle of the last 72 hours?
And to answer your original, no, we cannot agree on that rule. But thanks for the suggestion anyway.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 12, 2023, 10:42:59 AM
Post by: olaftab on March 12, 2023, 10:44:45 AM
Excellent post markeeeebeeee2005Yes indeed, superb.There is an impression formed in publics mind by our totally irresponsible Government that these hordes are rampaging through Europe aided and abetted by those governments to get to UK. This is never challenged by the media and true facts never told for balance.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 12, 2023, 10:47:10 AM
Feel free to set out a different point of view. You can start with my post if you like 😉. Just don’t ask for silence if anybody decides to respond to you. It’s a dangerous path.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 12, 2023, 10:51:27 AM
You go to catch up on Rat Boy or Tyrone Mings and the lastest pages are a punfest on fish or a debate on red or brown sauce.
As far as politics should be kept out of sport. I've been hearing that since the 1960s, often but not always from people who would happily have seen apartheid still existing today in South Africa.
Post by: olaftab on March 12, 2023, 10:53:27 AM
Cheers Gary. I do my hair on Tuesdays so will set up the VCR. Do you know the recording code?A chance to watch Sully again. Thank you Gary.
You're welcome, it's also on Tuesday at 10.40pm if you want to watch it again.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 12, 2023, 10:55:38 AM
Did anyone watch MOTD. what was it like? I stopped watching years ago around the time Lineker started presenting. He was awful in the early years but became quite good and on the odd occasion I do watch I like him.
It was crap.
That bastion of truth John Redwood said it was great so one of you isn’t telling the truth.
I preferred it and would be happy if it continued, just make it longer, say 40 mins to an hour depending on the number of games.
They can't though. The reason to have the in-house team is for filler as in most cases they use the limit of the amount of highlights they can show a match contractually.
TBH, the show probably became an irrelevance the moment the Sky Sports website (plus others) could show the goals to people for free within an hour of the game finishing. Prior to that MotD used to be the only place to see the goals for a second time if at the match or first time if not.
Ah I see, fair enough.
I too get fucked off with political stuff entering our otherwise great football chat but thankfully it doesn’t really happen outside of some of the off topic threads which are dedicated to it. In this case it couldn’t really be avoided and I think is a good topic to discuss.
Post by: olaftab on March 12, 2023, 10:55:40 AM
Thanks Rory. Yes a ridiculous comparison.Left wing, right wing can we not just agree Lineker is a complete wanker?No, he is not a wanker and please don’t include the rest of us in your silly comments. Anyone who is prepared to give up their means of earning to fight for a cause has to be admired.
The post above about <removed> sums him up
Including the Taliban and other terrorist groups? Not everyone or everything has to politicised and not everyone who disagrees is a Tory apologist.
Given one of the main points of contention here was an inapt comparison, I find your choice of the Taliban rather interesting.
Post by: Dave on March 12, 2023, 10:57:01 AM
So if this carries on much longer surely the BBC is likely to find themselves in breach of contract?
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 12, 2023, 10:57:32 AM
MOTD2 will be much reduced format again tonight.Thanks. So a much reduced MOTD2 format again.
Viewing figures were up last night from 2.1m to 2.6m. That could be down to being starved of football coverage in the day to simple curiosity from some. Expect it to get trotted out by some tories as " the public supports us".
So apart from MOTD 2 for Villa related match action today we are looking at ( for those in UK)
Sky Customers:
Those with access to the sports can highlights of our match tonight. 1030pm on schedule EPG
Sky Sports Premier League is a channel that broadcasts the Premier League. So it appears as West Ham vs. Villa 30 min highlights (with commercials)
Sky Sports YouTube and Website content is free to view though via online/tv .
Offering of 3 minute or so highlights will be available later today after the game and as always much sooner than MOTD l/MOTD2 highlights.
Villa TV subscriptions allow for re run of match and can access these as well. Currently 1.99 a month.
Post by: Dave Cooper please on March 12, 2023, 11:02:57 AM
A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
This forum stems from a football fanzine, it's the whole reason it exists.
Fanzines started mainly as a reaction to the politicising of football during the Thatcher era, the whole ID card issues etc.
Football and politics are inextricably intertwined and always will be.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 12, 2023, 11:08:54 AM
I too get fucked off with political stuff entering our otherwise great football chat but thankfully it doesn’t really happen outside of some of the off topic threads which are dedicated to it. In this case it couldn’t really be avoided and I think is a good topic to discuss.
The discussions started in the small boats thread, with an additional new MOTD one in Other Football when the Lineker removal had been made. The only reason it has now spilled over here was because someone decided to raise a four month old thread used mainly to discuss Villa on MotD (even though we were not on it last night) instead of using the dedicated one created for the situation.
Post by: Pete3206 on March 12, 2023, 11:17:41 AM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on March 12, 2023, 11:24:24 AM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 12, 2023, 11:25:11 AM
I feel like we're living in a South Park episode.
Which episode?
Post by: Baldy on March 12, 2023, 11:25:57 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 12, 2023, 12:02:50 PM
MOTD2 will be much reduced format again tonight.Thanks. So a much reduced MOTD2 format again.
Viewing figures were up last night from 2.1m to 2.6m. That could be down to being starved of football coverage in the day to simple curiosity from some. Expect it to get trotted out by some tories as " the public supports us".
So apart from MOTD 2 for Villa related match action today we are looking at ( for those in UK)
Sky Customers:
Those with access to the sports can highlights of our match tonight. 1030pm on schedule EPG
Sky Sports Premier League is a channel that broadcasts the Premier League. So it appears as West Ham vs. Villa 30 min highlights (with commercials)
Sky Sports YouTube and Website content is free to view though via online/tv .
Offering of 3 minute or so highlights will be available later today after the game and as always much sooner than MOTD l/MOTD2 highlights.
Villa TV subscriptions allow for re run of match and can access these as well. Currently 1.99 a month.
Dodgy chipped firestick.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 12, 2023, 12:08:37 PM
And Qatar is them foreign people and Muslim as well so fair game as they are bound to be doing something wrong unlike that decent kind hearted ultra intelligent Suella and Co.Have I missed something here; Lineker (seemingly with the BBC’s support) was ok to criticise Qatar on the hosting of the World Cup during the opening ceremony based upon a host of reasons but not ok to raise a political point about a Conservative government policy? Are these mutually exclusive political points; as in, it’s ok to have a view about one political matter, but not another?Lineker is allowed to criticise Qatar etc but not allowed to criticise the Conservative government as they are (apparently) his employers, indirectly. His contract requires him to be impartial in political affairs concerning the government of the day.
As if to prove the point...fuck me can't you just talk about how good / shit MOTD will be in the current climate rather than constantly having to say some shit like that. It's becoming as boring as twitter
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 12, 2023, 12:15:10 PM
In order to show solidarity with Gary Lineker, Everton, Leeds and West Ham have announced that they won't be appearing on Match of The Day from next season.
There is a genuinely funny post abut a current football topic without the " bring down the government "
Thank you
Post by: Clampy on March 12, 2023, 12:15:44 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2023, 12:17:04 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 12, 2023, 12:21:07 PM
I'll know better next time
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2023, 12:23:58 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 12, 2023, 12:24:13 PM
If you don't like the content of a thread why do you keep coming back to it?
I know it maybe stupid of me but to discuss MOTD and the content, lack of ability of the presenters, bias towards certain teams etc
Not a party political broadcast on behalf of the government are ****** party. Surely we already have enough evidence of that?
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 12, 2023, 12:30:28 PM
Please feel free to come back on any of the points raised rather than trying to quieten debate or score cheap points. Start with my post if you fancy? It’s about the Beeb, MOTD and the Government. Sure you’ve spotted it.
Post by: paul_e on March 12, 2023, 12:31:19 PM
Don't post your own political opinions in a football thread and then moan about when things get away from you, it isn't a good look.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 12, 2023, 12:33:22 PM
If you don't like the content of a thread why do you keep coming back to it?
I know it maybe stupid of me but to discuss MOTD and the content, lack of ability of the presenters, bias towards certain teams etc
Not a party political broadcast on behalf of the government are ****** party. Surely we already have enough evidence of that?
You seem really angry about people expressing opinions on this, the MoTD thread only really got back up and running because of this issue and you obviously keep coming back to it, its bizarre.
Post by: clash city rocker on March 12, 2023, 12:35:03 PM
In order to show solidarity with Gary Lineker, Everton, Leeds and West Ham have announced that they won't be appearing on Match of The Day from next season.
Good one
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2023, 12:38:16 PM
We could talk about the punditry, bias towards clubs etc if there'd actually been any presenters, pundits or commentators.
Post by: amfy on March 12, 2023, 12:48:39 PM
If you don't like the content of a thread why do you keep coming back to it?
I know it maybe stupid of me but to discuss MOTD and the content, lack of ability of the presenters, bias towards certain teams etc
Not a party political broadcast on behalf of the government are ****** party. Surely we already have enough evidence of that?
Seriously - no one is going to be saying much else about MOTD right now are they? I am pretty sure you are not checking back to see if anyone has said anything about ‘the lack of ability of the presenters’. It’s pretty clear that ‘lack of presenters’ and the reasons for that is the only thing keeping a MOTD thread right near the top of the main discussion board right now.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 12, 2023, 12:49:06 PM
It's not about having an opinion, that happened last night. The problem is markeee posted something difficult for you to dismiss so you threw a strop and told everyone to 'stay in lane'.
Don't post your own political opinions in a football thread and then moan about when things get away from you, it isn't a good look.
It's hardly a strop. It just seems that we could discuss the shape of the ball and it would descend into a political rant by some and the government will be blamed or more specifically "fucking Tories" for something or other.
If there are any Tory villa fans on here, and for the record i am not, then I would imagine they feel bullied somewhat to ever air thier views as they would be rounded on.
No other minority group on here would be treated like that (blues fans aside)
Post by: DesBremner on March 12, 2023, 12:53:56 PM
Not often i agree with the torygraph but this is a good summation
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 12, 2023, 12:57:28 PM
It'll be interesting to see how this ends. Presumably the BBC's contract with the Premier League is going to include certain requirements about promotion of their brand and style of coverage.
So if this carries on much longer surely the BBC is likely to find themselves in breach of contract?
This was indeed raised yesterday in some quarters, they’re also in breach of accessibility rules that require them to provide commentary for partially or non sighted.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 12, 2023, 01:00:54 PM
OK sorry I dared to have an opinion.
I'll know better next time
You haven’t shared an opinion though. You’ve just tried to shut down debate because you don’t like what you’re hearing.
Post away, but don’t be upset if people disagree.
Post by: aj2k77 on March 12, 2023, 01:14:21 PM
Post by: dr.chekov on March 12, 2023, 01:17:47 PM
A genuine question for the moderator's
Can we not agree on a rule to keep the football discussion threads politics free. Every post descends into some lengthy political rant about how shit the government is or endless statistics cut and pasted to prove / disprove thier own or someone else's point.
Surely there are many threads that are in off topic that relate to the political temperature of the day to not have to bog down what is a brilliant football discussion site.
Could we please have a political free football board as the political rantings are becoming tiresome and are just not enjoyable anymore
This forum stems from a football fanzine, it's the whole reason it exists.
Fanzines started mainly as a reaction to the politicising of football during the Thatcher era, the whole ID card issues etc.
Football and politics are inextricably intertwined and always will be.
Very good point. Even starting a football zine back then was often seen as a political act, regardless of content.
Post by: john e on March 12, 2023, 01:27:20 PM
It's not about having an opinion, that happened last night. The problem is markeee posted something difficult for you to dismiss so you threw a strop and told everyone to 'stay in lane'.
Don't post your own political opinions in a football thread and then moan about when things get away from you, it isn't a good look.
It's hardly a strop. It just seems that we could discuss the shape of the ball and it would descend into a political rant by some and the government will be blamed or more specifically "fucking Tories" for something or other.
If there are any Tory villa fans on here, and for the record i am not, then I would imagine they feel bullied somewhat to ever air thier views as they would be rounded on.
No other minority group on here would be treated like that (blues fans aside)
I’m a lifelong labour voter and literally hate the Tories, but don’t get involved in political chats anymore because even I feel Like a right winger with some of you right up your own arse hard left twats
only ever one point of view every debate goes downs rabbit hole of boring pointscoring and absolutely pathetic pile ons
I live in a primarily Tory area most of my friends are Tory but I also know quite well people involved in local politics for the Labour and a good friend stood for parliament as Labour MP
so I get both sides hard right and left and everyone of them to a man/women an absolute Hatefilled twat
Them Corbanista’s were the worst filled with as much jealousy and spite as any right winger I’ve met, I’m glad they’ve fucked off now
and that comes from someone who’s nickname down the pub is lefty (amongst others)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 12, 2023, 01:33:29 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 12, 2023, 01:37:17 PM
Post by: clash city rocker on March 12, 2023, 01:39:54 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 12, 2023, 01:40:54 PM
Like John Ldon said...Anger is an energy.You could be wrong you could be right.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 12, 2023, 01:41:50 PM
According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.Everyone stops to watch a car crash.
Post by: olaftab on March 12, 2023, 01:56:01 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 12, 2023, 01:56:24 PM
Yes rubber neckers.According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.Everyone stops to watch a car crash.
Post by: Rory on March 12, 2023, 03:31:21 PM
According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
I suspect that wouldn't have been the case if it was as simple as some other presenter standing in for Lineker. I haven't watched MoTD in years and I genuinely don't think I've ever watched it when Villa haven't played, but even I was tempted to watch last night, just to see how they managed to structure a programme with no presenters or summarisers.
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 12, 2023, 04:01:46 PM
According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
Everyone stops to watch a car crash.
Doesn't seem to have helped attendances at the Sty.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 12, 2023, 04:03:39 PM
According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
I suspect that wouldn't have been the case if it was as simple as some other presenter standing in for Lineker. I haven't watched MoTD in years and I genuinely don't think I've ever watched it when Villa haven't played, but even I was tempted to watch last night, just to see how they managed to structure a programme with no presenters or summarisers.
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Post by: Rory on March 12, 2023, 04:11:10 PM
According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
I suspect that wouldn't have been the case if it was as simple as some other presenter standing in for Lineker. I haven't watched MoTD in years and I genuinely don't think I've ever watched it when Villa haven't played, but even I was tempted to watch last night, just to see how they managed to structure a programme with no presenters or summarisers.
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2023, 04:12:25 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on March 12, 2023, 04:26:32 PM
According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
What was the average watch time? I'd imagine it's the Tv equivalent of rubber necking a motor way accident.
Post by: adrenachrome on March 12, 2023, 04:26:46 PM
Will be interesting to see what they make of the 2 penalty shouts in our game. Oh.
Lee Hendry on SSN said it was soft.
Not sure what he said about the penalty decision.
He also said that we asked questions of West Ham. Which is nice.
Post by: ez on March 12, 2023, 04:37:23 PM
Post by: Grande Pablo on March 12, 2023, 04:42:08 PM
I wonder what would have happened if we slap bang in the middle of a World Cup?
Post by: Bad English on March 12, 2023, 04:43:26 PM
Some of those will be migrants: African car observers.According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.Everyone stops to watch a car crash.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2023, 04:44:56 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 12, 2023, 04:59:41 PM
I feel like we're living in a South Park episode.
Which episode?
Can't wait til South Park do Happy Valley.
Post by: Colin B on March 12, 2023, 05:38:13 PM
Do you have the numbers for people accepted as well as the number pf applications?
Also I don't understand the 2.2 million for Germany reference? What is that figure for?
Thank you
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 12, 2023, 05:57:55 PM
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
Fair enough, need to rewatch it myself as it must be over 25 years since I last saw it. I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on March 12, 2023, 06:07:17 PM
F**k the snowflake right wing sulkers
And
F**k Lineker. He’s had too much of ‘our’ money for a long time.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 12, 2023, 06:13:00 PM
It had that one great like that Silvio often impersonated in the Sopranos, art imitating art and all that and Andy Garcia was good, otherwise i thought Godfather III was a let down in comparison to the first two masterpieces.In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
Fair enough, need to rewatch it myself as it must be over 25 years since I last saw it. I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 12, 2023, 06:24:37 PM
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
That’s about right.
I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on March 12, 2023, 06:40:50 PM
I just want to ask MarkBeeee what his source is for the figures he mentions in his post 275?
Do you have the numbers for people accepted as well as the number pf applications?
Also I don't understand the 2.2 million for Germany reference? What is that figure for?
Thank you
No probs Colin. Those stats are from the United Nations based on some Googling. They should have all the details you need. Just out and about otherwise I’d have a look for you.
In the year ending September 2021, Germany received the highest number of asylum applicants (127,730) in the EU+, followed by France (96,510). When compared with the EU+ for the same period, the UK received the 4th largest number of applicants (44, 190 – including main applicants and dependents).
https://www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-in-the-uk.html
36% are hosted in five countries.
Turkey 3.7 million
Colombia 2.5 million
Germany 2.2 million
Pakistan 1.5 million
Uganda 1.5 million
https://www.unhcr.org/refugee-statistics/
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 12, 2023, 06:46:00 PM
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
That’s about right.
I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.
It would have been almost impossible for it to live up to the first two movies but sounds like it's worth watching it again. If you first saw it as a teenager you were probably as enamoured with Sofia Coppola as I was. :)
Agree the book is also very good, at least I thought so when I read it in the mid-80s.
Post by: algy on March 12, 2023, 07:12:20 PM
I watched all 3 on consecutive days, having not even heard of them when I watched the first one. Anyway, my impression was much the same, the first 2 were excellent, the third was fine - maybe not as good as the first 2, but pretty good still. I enjoyed all of them.In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
That’s about right.
I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.
Post by: Rodders on March 12, 2023, 08:12:27 PM
OK sorry I dared to have an opinion.
I'll know better next time
Hookey old lad, if you can't see that this position puts you and Lineker in exactly the same - small? - boat then you should return your ironymeter to Alaniss Morrisette asap.
Post by: olaftab on March 12, 2023, 08:41:41 PM
Tim Davie and Gary Lineker have reached an agreement for Lineker’s return next week.
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 12, 2023, 08:55:04 PM
https://apple.news/AOvLALGjLQK6CLa-8A0MhFg
Tim Davie and Gary Lineker have reached an agreement for Lineker’s return next week.
If Lineker had gone Davie wouldn't have been far behind.
Post by: Rory on March 13, 2023, 12:05:23 AM
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
That’s about right.
I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.
It would have been almost impossible for it to live up to the first two movies but sounds like it's worth watching it again. If you first saw it as a teenager you were probably as enamoured with Sofia Coppola as I was. :)
Agree the book is also very good, at least I thought so when I read it in the mid-80s.
Part 3 is nowhere near as bad as is made out, but yeah, when you compare a decent film to two classics it's never going to match up.
Andy Garcia was very good, I thought, but his relationship with Michael was underdeveloped, and unfortunately Sofia Coppola was miscast. There was no chemistry between her or any of the other characters.
As much as I love Pacino, he was also well on the way from the genius of Parts I & II, Dog Day Afternoon, Serpico etc to the shouty incarnation featured in Rob Brydon's impressions.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 13, 2023, 01:26:52 AM
I think I'm in about the 0.01% of people who isn't bothered about the Godfather. Watched it once and just thought 'it was alright... wouldn't watch it again'. Just for a bit of that balance we all yearn for.
I genuinely hate pun fests though, they are a scourge on this forum and anyone participating should face lengthy bans. Bloody intolerant lefties, ay.
Post by: Rory on March 13, 2023, 01:35:12 AM
I'm sorry but I'm not f**king happy about my favourite MOTD thread being turned in to the film review section. Do you think you're all Mark bastard Kermode? Every time I go on a thread nowadays people always end up harping on about how good the Godfather is, it's f**king tiring ;).
I think I'm in about the 0.01% of people who isn't bothered about the Godfather. Watched it once and just thought 'it was alright... wouldn't watch it again'. Just for a bit of that balance we all yearn for.
I genuinely hate pun fests though, they are a scourge on this forum and anyone participating should face lengthy bans. Bloody intolerant lefties, ay.
Mods, can we please ban this guy? I don't like what he's saying 😉
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 13, 2023, 01:42:51 AM
I'm sorry but I'm not f**king happy about my favourite MOTD thread being turned in to the film review section. Do you think you're all Mark bastard Kermode? Every time I go on a thread nowadays people always end up harping on about how good the Godfather is, it's f**king tiring ;).
I think I'm in about the 0.01% of people who isn't bothered about the Godfather. Watched it once and just thought 'it was alright... wouldn't watch it again'. Just for a bit of that balance we all yearn for.
I genuinely hate pun fests though, they are a scourge on this forum and anyone participating should face lengthy bans. Bloody intolerant lefties, ay.
Mods, can we please ban this guy? I don't like what he's saying 😉
😁
I did feel a little liberated saying I'm not bothered about The Godfather, I usually keep my fat mouth shut because I know absolutely no-one agrees with me. *runs off and watches Cocaine Bear instead*
Post by: Rory on March 13, 2023, 02:35:45 AM
I'm sorry but I'm not f**king happy about my favourite MOTD thread being turned in to the film review section. Do you think you're all Mark bastard Kermode? Every time I go on a thread nowadays people always end up harping on about how good the Godfather is, it's f**king tiring ;).
I think I'm in about the 0.01% of people who isn't bothered about the Godfather. Watched it once and just thought 'it was alright... wouldn't watch it again'. Just for a bit of that balance we all yearn for.
I genuinely hate pun fests though, they are a scourge on this forum and anyone participating should face lengthy bans. Bloody intolerant lefties, ay.
Mods, can we please ban this guy? I don't like what he's saying 😉
😁
I did feel a little liberated saying I'm not bothered about The Godfather, I usually keep my fat mouth shut because I know absolutely no-one agrees with me. *runs off and watches Cocaine Bear instead*
I'm aware this makes me sound like a total ******, but when it comes to art there are no right or wrong opinions, there are only responses.
If nobody agrees with you about the Godfather, it doesn't mean you're wrong. I think both parts 1 & 2 are brilliant, but I prefer 1 and nobody I know agrees with me!
Anyway, erm, MOTD... yeah.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 13, 2023, 03:18:17 AM
OK sorry I dared to have an opinion.
I'll know better next time
Hookey old lad, if you can't see that this position puts you and Lineker in exactly the same - small? - boat then you should return your ironymeter to Alaniss Morrisette asap.
Patronising git (winky thing)
Post by: Bad English on March 13, 2023, 05:31:14 AM
I think I'm in about the 0.01% of people who isn't bothered about the Godfather.Leave the pun; talk about the goalie.
I genuinely hate pun fests though, they are a scourge on this forum and anyone participating should face lengthy bans.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2023, 07:40:58 AM
According to ITN, 500,000 more people watched yesterday's MOTD than last week.
I suspect that wouldn't have been the case if it was as simple as some other presenter standing in for Lineker. I haven't watched MoTD in years and I genuinely don't think I've ever watched it when Villa haven't played, but even I was tempted to watch last night, just to see how they managed to structure a programme with no presenters or summarisers.
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
What did you think?
EDIT: forget it, saw your later post. Agree about Andy Garcia being good in it.
Post by: Rodders on March 13, 2023, 07:51:47 AM
OK sorry I dared to have an opinion.
I'll know better next time
Hookey old lad, if you can't see that this position puts you and Lineker in exactly the same - small? - boat then you should return your ironymeter to Alaniss Morrisette asap.
Patronising git (winky thing)
You've been talking to my wife...
Post by: lovejoy on March 13, 2023, 07:56:51 AM
In my opinion the answer is simple - if you do a politics related show you can’t make your political views known in the show and all presenters should use private social media to say whatever they like and have a bbc branded account fir the programme related stuff (eg MOTD running order). The fact that the chair of the BBC isn’t impartial means he should stand down as it undermines the impartial ethos all together.
Finally I’d the BBC is impartial why dont we hear views on the Ukraine conflict from the Russian perspective? It’s selective impartiality they apply always to show the government positively.
Post by: Ian. on March 13, 2023, 08:06:03 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2023, 08:32:12 AM
I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
Post by: Ads on March 13, 2023, 08:38:02 AM
The idea of impartiality on the BBC is impossible to achieve. Clint Eastwood is a prominent republican, if one of his films is on should the BBC edit him out? People watching the BBC don’t know/care about the way those on screen I are employed either directly or indirectly (the Lineker vs Alan Sugar debate) so impartiality is difficult to apply there.
In my opinion the answer is simple - if you do a politics related show you can’t make your political views known in the show and all presenters should use private social media to say whatever they like and have a bbc branded account fir the programme related stuff (eg MOTD running order). The fact that the chair of the BBC isn’t impartial means he should stand down as it undermines the impartial ethos all together.
Finally I’d the BBC is impartial why dont we hear views on the Ukraine conflict from the Russian perspective? It’s selective impartiality they apply always to show the government positively.
Impartiality is only really important for the information services of the BBC. I think sometimes the BBC can get the balance wrong in its attempts to find balance by giving the alternative view an equal platform that is perhaps disproportionate to the balance of the argument. That's why I don't think there's any sincere criticism possible of the BBC position on Ukraine; last year it provided Putin's historical fatalism ideology as one of the motivating factors, there's not a great deal else to be said or a need for that unnatural and disproportionate balance.
In terms of the entertainment elements, if they're employees then I don't see why that impartiality needs to be particularly enforced. Lineker has his views on politics and the world and its not something, beyond Qatar perhaps, that he talks about of MotD when introducing a game or putting questions to Shrearer et al. It's just not relevant and doesn't come up.
His views on social media are what they are. Sincerely held, he clearly knows little to nothing about history (not surprising given he spent a good deal of his childhood with the market stall and watching his parents playing cards, while also playing football for hours on end) and probably isn't a resource anybody would use in a serious conversation. But then nor is he trying to be. He's a man with an audience and a lot of followers, so has more responsibility as a result, but that he's been catapulted into this position is more out of a desire for Culture Warriors on both sides to fight over entrenched positions on a very weird website.
The BBC seems very good at making itself the story at times.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on March 13, 2023, 09:00:41 AM
Standard Tory tactics, similar to the dog from Pixar's Up - SQUIRREL!
Post by: Rodders on March 13, 2023, 09:01:14 AM
I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
Me also. Nor Goodfellas. I don't even like pizza.
Post by: TonyD on March 13, 2023, 10:04:18 AM
He has been there too long.
Need some fresh people.
Post by: paul_e on March 13, 2023, 10:10:14 AM
The idea of impartiality on the BBC is impossible to achieve. Clint Eastwood is a prominent republican, if one of his films is on should the BBC edit him out? People watching the BBC don’t know/care about the way those on screen I are employed either directly or indirectly (the Lineker vs Alan Sugar debate) so impartiality is difficult to apply there.
In my opinion the answer is simple - if you do a politics related show you can’t make your political views known in the show and all presenters should use private social media to say whatever they like and have a bbc branded account fir the programme related stuff (eg MOTD running order). The fact that the chair of the BBC isn’t impartial means he should stand down as it undermines the impartial ethos all together.
Finally I’d the BBC is impartial why dont we hear views on the Ukraine conflict from the Russian perspective? It’s selective impartiality they apply always to show the government positively.
Impartiality is only really important for the information services of the BBC. I think sometimes the BBC can get the balance wrong in its attempts to find balance by giving the alternative view an equal platform that is perhaps disproportionate to the balance of the argument. That's why I don't think there's any sincere criticism possible of the BBC position on Ukraine; last year it provided Putin's historical fatalism ideology as one of the motivating factors, there's not a great deal else to be said or a need for that unnatural and disproportionate balance.
In terms of the entertainment elements, if they're employees then I don't see why that impartiality needs to be particularly enforced. Lineker has his views on politics and the world and its not something, beyond Qatar perhaps, that he talks about of MotD when introducing a game or putting questions to Shrearer et al. It's just not relevant and doesn't come up.
His views on social media are what they are. Sincerely held, he clearly knows little to nothing about history (not surprising given he spent a good deal of his childhood with the market stall and watching his parents playing cards, while also playing football for hours on end) and probably isn't a resource anybody would use in a serious conversation. But then nor is he trying to be. He's a man with an audience and a lot of followers, so has more responsibility as a result, but that he's been catapulted into this position is more out of a desire for Culture Warriors on both sides to fight over entrenched positions on a very weird website.
The BBC seems very good at making itself the story at times.
You keep repeating this bit but I think you're misreading his post to get to that conclusion:
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There is no huge influx. We take far fewer refugees than other major European countries. This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s, and I’m out of order?
that a 47 word post, not a thorough analysis of the rise of naziism in 1930s Germany.
He's correct that there is no huge influx.
He's correct on the number of refugees we take.
He's correct that the policy is cruel and directed at very vulnerable people.
So the entire point of contention that you keep going back to is "language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" but you seem to be taking that in a specific way and inferring a lot more into it than you should be.
He didn't compare the government to Nazis.
He didn't say the policy was fascist.
He didn't claim refugees are being treated the same as jews were in the 30s.
He didn't imply in any way that this will lead to anything further.
He simply said the language isn't dissimilar to that of the time. That's a really fucking low bar, literally any document from 1930s Germany referring to Jews as a plague/invasion/animals/etc or as a problem the country needed to address urgently is enough to prove him right and finding examples like that doesn't take long.
Maybe he didn't have to make the comparison and maybe it can lead to misinformation amongst his followers but if that's a problem then it's no worse than the misinformation that is coming from the government about immigration.
Post by: DeKuip on March 13, 2023, 10:28:38 AM
Post by: Baldy on March 13, 2023, 10:33:18 AM
But after that, I reckon the viewership numbers could go down.
MOTD has become a 'habit' for a lot of people and we watch it out of tradition. We have not bothered to watch the highlights/analysis on the many other platforms available. Until last weekend.
Will think twice about watching MOTD in future. Lineker is fine but too many pundits just state the obvious time and time again and are stealing a living.
Most of us are now capable of putting our own 'more tailored' package together through Youtube/podcasts etc and last weekend the opportunity presented itself.
BBC/MOTD may have shot itself in the foot.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2023, 10:48:24 AM
You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.
I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.
Anyway, well done, Gary.
Post by: Nev on March 13, 2023, 10:58:45 AM
Portillo's political opinion has no impact on his train programmes no more than Linekers does on MOTD. This whole furore stems from undue influence putting pressure on the BBC and I'd like to see the licence fee and appointments transfered form the Government of the day and decided by cross party committees.
I'll still won't be watching MOTD if we've lost though.
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 11:17:50 AM
I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.
I think you can say the same about the BBC as a whole to be honest. If I didn't listen to R5 in the morning, I think our family's use of BBC output on the TV and radio would be as close to zero as makes no difference. The younger kids don't watch anything on mainstream TV at all, and for the older kids it's mini-series like The Mandalorian on Disney or netflix or whatever. Compare that to 30 years ago, when kids would come in from school and watch the kids programmes until tea was ready, then something like Neighbours would be on, then the news, then soaps or other dramas.
Post by: Bad English on March 13, 2023, 11:27:35 AM
I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.Also, with Peter Withe's Shin you get every Villa goal a whole 5 minutes before we actually score on TV.
You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.
I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.
Anyway, well done, Gary.
Am I right in thinking he works in a Sky live broadcast van or something like that?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 13, 2023, 11:37:37 AM
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
That’s about right.
I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.
If you first saw it as a teenager you were probably as enamoured with Sofia Coppola as I was. :)
ooh Yeah !
Post by: paul_e on March 13, 2023, 11:52:50 AM
I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.
You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.
I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.
Anyway, well done, Gary.
What MotD really needs, and has for a long time, is to offer something extra and, importantly, to remove any bias from that. They have time after the games to talk with people, get stats, opinions, etc and present things far more factually. Top of the list of things I'd like to see is them have time with the refs to go through controversial decisions and really push for answers on why x is different to y, for example.
To be fluffier, the job should be to find out what fans will be talking about on forums/SM in the pub and cover it with a balanced 'report'. That should include not being afraid to say someone has cheated or made a mistake.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2023, 12:10:36 PM
I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.
I think you can say the same about the BBC as a whole to be honest. If I didn't listen to R5 in the morning, I think our family's use of BBC output on the TV and radio would be as close to zero as makes no difference. The younger kids don't watch anything on mainstream TV at all, and for the older kids it's mini-series like The Mandalorian on Disney or netflix or whatever. Compare that to 30 years ago, when kids would come in from school and watch the kids programmes until tea was ready, then something like Neighbours would be on, then the news, then soaps or other dramas.
We use it quite a lot in our house - but it's basically 90% 6 Music and BBC 4, with the other 5% occasional football for me, drama for the Mrs, pretty much none of which is viewed 'live'.
I read an article last year (I think) on this, and it used Radio 1 as the example - something which for our generation when we were younger was ubiquitous and socially important, but is now basically a flagship product whose audience is a demographic which doesn't listen to live radio.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2023, 12:11:19 PM
In the end I watched Godfather part 3, instead.
I have to disagree, you should have watched Sully instead.
Saw it last week 🙂
I seem to recall that it wasn't as good as I & II (obviously) but not as bad as it was made out to be when it was released.
That’s about right.
I watched it first as a teenager in the cinema when I was about 14 and hadn’t seen the other two films at the time. I hadn’t got a fucking clue what was going on :-)
Watched all since many times and also read the book which is related to the first two films. The book and the first two films are superb, De Niro as a young Vito in particular.
If you first saw it as a teenager you were probably as enamoured with Sofia Coppola as I was. :)
ooh Yeah !
She was truly awful in that film, one of the most wooden performances I've ever seen. Not surprised she moved the other side of the camera.
Post by: dr.chekov on March 13, 2023, 12:21:07 PM
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 12:24:38 PM
It was going to be Winona Ryder playing that role... but she dropped out at the last minute.
Probably had some urgent shopping to do.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2023, 12:31:13 PM
I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.
MOTD is going the same way that TOTP went. Used to be a genuinely flagship programme but it’s been caught up and overtaken by newer versions that meet viewers’ demands better.
It’s a shame but that’s what happens.
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 12:34:36 PM
Post by: Ads on March 13, 2023, 12:35:22 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2023, 12:37:46 PM
The idea of impartiality on the BBC is impossible to achieve. Clint Eastwood is a prominent republican, if one of his films is on should the BBC edit him out? People watching the BBC don’t know/care about the way those on screen I are employed either directly or indirectly (the Lineker vs Alan Sugar debate) so impartiality is difficult to apply there.
In my opinion the answer is simple - if you do a politics related show you can’t make your political views known in the show and all presenters should use private social media to say whatever they like and have a bbc branded account fir the programme related stuff (eg MOTD running order). The fact that the chair of the BBC isn’t impartial means he should stand down as it undermines the impartial ethos all together.
Finally I’d the BBC is impartial why dont we hear views on the Ukraine conflict from the Russian perspective? It’s selective impartiality they apply always to show the government positively.
Impartiality is only really important for the information services of the BBC. I think sometimes the BBC can get the balance wrong in its attempts to find balance by giving the alternative view an equal platform that is perhaps disproportionate to the balance of the argument. That's why I don't think there's any sincere criticism possible of the BBC position on Ukraine; last year it provided Putin's historical fatalism ideology as one of the motivating factors, there's not a great deal else to be said or a need for that unnatural and disproportionate balance.
In terms of the entertainment elements, if they're employees then I don't see why that impartiality needs to be particularly enforced. Lineker has his views on politics and the world and its not something, beyond Qatar perhaps, that he talks about of MotD when introducing a game or putting questions to Shrearer et al. It's just not relevant and doesn't come up.
His views on social media are what they are. Sincerely held, he clearly knows little to nothing about history (not surprising given he spent a good deal of his childhood with the market stall and watching his parents playing cards, while also playing football for hours on end) and probably isn't a resource anybody would use in a serious conversation. But then nor is he trying to be. He's a man with an audience and a lot of followers, so has more responsibility as a result, but that he's been catapulted into this position is more out of a desire for Culture Warriors on both sides to fight over entrenched positions on a very weird website.
The BBC seems very good at making itself the story at times.
You keep repeating this bit but I think you're misreading his post to get to that conclusion:QuoteThere is no huge influx. We take far fewer refugees than other major European countries. This is just an immeasurably cruel policy directed at the most vulnerable people in language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s, and I’m out of order?
that a 47 word post, not a thorough analysis of the rise of naziism in 1930s Germany.
He's correct that there is no huge influx.
He's correct on the number of refugees we take.
He's correct that the policy is cruel and directed at very vulnerable people.
So the entire point of contention that you keep going back to is "language that is not dissimilar to that used by Germany in the 30s" but you seem to be taking that in a specific way and inferring a lot more into it than you should be.
He didn't compare the government to Nazis.
He didn't say the policy was fascist.
He didn't claim refugees are being treated the same as jews were in the 30s.
He didn't imply in any way that this will lead to anything further.
He simply said the language isn't dissimilar to that of the time. That's a really fucking low bar, literally any document from 1930s Germany referring to Jews as a plague/invasion/animals/etc or as a problem the country needed to address urgently is enough to prove him right and finding examples like that doesn't take long.
Maybe he didn't have to make the comparison and maybe it can lead to misinformation amongst his followers but if that's a problem then it's no worse than the misinformation that is coming from the government about immigration.
Someone’s desperate to change the point of debate for some reason. And I don’t just mean the ‘outraged’ far-right MPs.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 13, 2023, 12:39:14 PM
I'm sorry but I'm not f**king happy about my favourite MOTD thread being turned in to the film review section. Do you think you're all Mark bastard Kermode? Every time I go on a thread nowadays people always end up harping on about how good the Godfather is, it's f**king tiring ;).
I think I'm in about the 0.01% of people who isn't bothered about the Godfather. Watched it once and just thought 'it was alright... wouldn't watch it again'. Just for a bit of that balance we all yearn for.
I genuinely hate pun fests though, they are a scourge on this forum and anyone participating should face lengthy bans. Bloody intolerant lefties, ay.
Mods, can we please ban this guy? I don't like what he's saying 😉
Don't you worry Rory, he'll soon be sleeping with the fishes. ;)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 13, 2023, 12:42:55 PM
I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
Post by: Baldy on March 13, 2023, 12:49:21 PM
Leaving aside the issue of the tweets for a second, Lineker gets paid an enormous amount of money for a programme that only pulls in a couple of million viewers most weeks.
That figure shocked me as well. Thought it would be millions more (but I am an old fart). I guess the fact Lineker has been on it since 1999 he has seen a lot of wage increases!!
Needs to change its format. Show the highlights, have a panel of referees and former managers, have a comedy section (bit like SAS on 606 Podcast), chant of the week etc. Need to freshen it up a bit.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 13, 2023, 01:02:07 PM
I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
I think Goodfellas is the best of the lot, with GF1 and 2 very close behind.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2023, 01:03:53 PM
I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
The Irishman is good stylistically but loses marks from me for being a load of absolute bullshit.
I did enjoy Kill The Irishman though. Totally unrelated, the story of Danny Green. I suspect that you’d enjoy that one BV, he was very proud of his heritage.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2023, 01:07:01 PM
I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
I think Goodfellas is the best of the lot, with GF1 and 2 very close behind.
Listened to a podcast the other day about how the last $700k of Jimmy The Gent Burke’s Lufthansa money was kinda stolen off his daughters and frittered away by current mobsters.
Post by: Ian. on March 13, 2023, 01:12:05 PM
I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.Also, with Peter Withe's Shin you get every Villa goal a whole 5 minutes before we actually score on TV.
You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.
I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.
Anyway, well done, Gary.
Am I right in thinking he works in a Sky live broadcast van or something like that?
I just thought he was some kind of freaky Time Lord.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 13, 2023, 01:12:09 PM
I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
I think Goodfellas is the best of the lot, with GF1 and 2 very close behind.
Listened to a podcast the other day about how the last $700k of Jimmy The Gent Burke’s Lufthansa money was kinda stolen off his daughters and frittered away by current mobsters.
I was recently saddened to see that Ray Liotta had died last year, not very old and i was quite surprised to read that the other cast members including De Niro hadn't really had many dealings with him in the 30 plus years since. I always imagined they'd have been close after pulling off such a modern classic as that together.
I agree on The Irishman also, i did enjoy it but a lot was based on speculation rather than fact.
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 01:14:32 PM
Leaving aside the issue of the tweets for a second, Lineker gets paid an enormous amount of money for a programme that only pulls in a couple of million viewers most weeks.
That figure shocked me as well. Thought it would be millions more (but I am an old fart). I guess the fact Lineker has been on it since 1999 he has seen a lot of wage increases!!
Not wages, as he very obviously isn't an employee and quite correctly offers his services as an independent contractor, which is in no way designed to avoid tax and national insurance contributions.
Post by: Ads on March 13, 2023, 01:19:44 PM
Someone’s desperate to change the point of debate for some reason.
Would you be able to explain how, as I don't agree, but would be curious to hear you out. I've deleted the bulk of it because I know that winds folks up when we get quote pyramids.
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 13, 2023, 01:26:08 PM
Leaving aside the issue of the tweets for a second, Lineker gets paid an enormous amount of money for a programme that only pulls in a couple of million viewers most weeks.
That figure shocked me as well. Thought it would be millions more (but I am an old fart). I guess the fact Lineker has been on it since 1999 he has seen a lot of wage increases!!
Not wages, as he very obviously isn't an employee and quite correctly offers his services as an independent contractor, which is in no way designed to avoid tax and national insurance contributions.
Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
Post by: TonyD on March 13, 2023, 01:31:48 PM
Missed opportunity to change the guard.
Post by: Dave on March 13, 2023, 01:32:20 PM
Someone’s desperate to change the point of debate for some reason.
Would you be able to explain how, as I don't agree, but would be curious to hear you out. I've deleted the bulk of it because I know that winds folks up when we get quote pyramids.
Actually, while I'm not saying that he can't, can I offer the moderatorly advice that he doesn't?
As I don't think it'll lead to an exchange that will make anybody feel better about things.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 13, 2023, 01:45:44 PM
Looks like he will be coming back.
Missed opportunity to change the guard.
I don’t mind Lineker, he’s a presenter in the Des Lynam role rather than a pundit and does it pretty well. Shearer, Richards and the rest though I have no time for. It’s why I only ever watch it on catch-up so that I can fast forward through the crap.
Post by: Clampy on March 13, 2023, 01:47:01 PM
I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
I think Goodfellas is the best of the lot, with GF1 and 2 very close behind.
Listened to a podcast the other day about how the last $700k of Jimmy The Gent Burke’s Lufthansa money was kinda stolen off his daughters and frittered away by current mobsters.
I was recently saddened to see that Ray Liotta had died last year, not very old and i was quite surprised to read that the other cast members including De Niro hadn't really had many dealings with him in the 30 plus years since. I always imagined they'd have been close after pulling off such a modern classic as that together.
I agree on The Irishman also, i did enjoy it but a lot was based on speculation rather than fact.
Dr Niro and Liotta were both in Copland.
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 01:49:00 PM
Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2023, 01:52:04 PM
Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
I'm no expert, but I'd wager he'd argue that as he does similar for other broadcasters, such as BT Sport and that he also does other shows and events that he'd argue MOTD is a small part of his overall comtracting.
Post by: eamonn on March 13, 2023, 01:53:35 PM
I think - inevitably - the way people 'consume' MOTD has changed - as a result of the fact that what we consider 'the media' is entirely different to what it was 20 years ago, let alone 50 or whatever it is since MOTD started.Also, with Peter Withe's Shin you get every Villa goal a whole 5 minutes before we actually score on TV.
You can watch pretty much every game live online, without too much hassle, you can see people posting the goals on twitter as they happen, you can see all the highlights from sky straight after the final whistle more or less. MOTD these days seems (for a lot of people) like more of a 'there's nothing else better on' thing rather than a weekly appointment as it was in the past.
I was thinking recently, that "and if you don't know the scores and are waiting for match of the day, walk away now" message that they STILL do on the news on Saturday is probably the most anachronistic thing on television.
Anyway, well done, Gary.
Am I right in thinking he works in a Sky live broadcast van or something like that?
Word is he rescued Andy Townsend's Tactics Truck. Every time he puts his foot down on the clutch, it denotes a goal in the Villa game.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 13, 2023, 01:56:52 PM
Someone’s desperate to change the point of debate for some reason.
Would you be able to explain how, as I don't agree, but would be curious to hear you out. I've deleted the bulk of it because I know that winds folks up when we get quote pyramids.
Actually, while I'm not saying that he can't, can I offer the moderatorly advice that he doesn't?
As I don't think it'll lead to an exchange that will make anybody feel better about things.
I agree. He’s not thick.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 13, 2023, 02:05:45 PM
I’ve never seen the Godfather. Is that bad?
It’s not bad for you, I’m jealous.
Donnie Brasco is great as well, as are other true story ones - Goodfellas, Casino, Gotti (1996 HBO version - not the Travolta one). Witness to the Mob is underrated IMO. The last two are available on YouTube.
I'd add The Irishman, Carlito's Way and the epic Once Upon a Time in America to the must-see list.
I think Goodfellas is the best of the lot, with GF1 and 2 very close behind.
Listened to a podcast the other day about how the last $700k of Jimmy The Gent Burke’s Lufthansa money was kinda stolen off his daughters and frittered away by current mobsters.
I was recently saddened to see that Ray Liotta had died last year, not very old and i was quite surprised to read that the other cast members including De Niro hadn't really had many dealings with him in the 30 plus years since. I always imagined they'd have been close after pulling off such a modern classic as that together.
I agree on The Irishman also, i did enjoy it but a lot was based on speculation rather than fact.
Dr Niro and Liotta were both in Copland.
I was scratching my head when i was reading about it trying to remember if they'd been in anything together since. There you go. It came across from De Niro's comments that they hadn't been very close in the years since though.
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 02:11:40 PM
Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
I'm no expert, but I'd wager he'd argue that as he does similar for other broadcasters, such as BT Sport and that he also does other shows and events that he'd argue MOTD is a small part of his overall comtracting.
That doesn't come into it very much, if at all though. Each contract is judged on its own merits. There are numerous factors that are looked at to judge whether something is employment or not, including:
The length and number of contracts (he's been doing it for 24 years!)
Can he set his own hours (no)
Is there any financial risk in him doing it, ie if he made an error would he have to correct it (no)
Could he send somebody else to do it (presumably no)
Is he supervised or directed (yes)
And so on. I can't think of a single one of the usual tests that are used in IR35 determinations that would point to him not being an employee. After being done for taking part in a Jimmy Carr-type artificial avoidance scheme, the clear signal is that he doesn't think he should pay his fair share of tax. Up there with Margaret Hodge for being a hypocrite, as far as I'm concerned.
Post by: Ads on March 13, 2023, 02:36:50 PM
Someone’s desperate to change the point of debate for some reason.
Would you be able to explain how, as I don't agree, but would be curious to hear you out. I've deleted the bulk of it because I know that winds folks up when we get quote pyramids.
Actually, while I'm not saying that he can't, can I offer the moderatorly advice that he doesn't?
As I don't think it'll lead to an exchange that will make anybody feel better about things.
Yes, no problem, understood. Wasn't attempting to provoke anything untoward.
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2023, 02:40:42 PM
Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
I'm no expert, but I'd wager he'd argue that as he does similar for other broadcasters, such as BT Sport and that he also does other shows and events that he'd argue MOTD is a small part of his overall comtracting.
That doesn't come into it very much, if at all though. Each contract is judged on its own merits. There are numerous factors that are looked at to judge whether something is employment or not, including:
The length and number of contracts (he's been doing it for 24 years!)
Can he set his own hours (no)
Is there any financial risk in him doing it, ie if he made an error would he have to correct it (no)
Could he send somebody else to do it (presumably no)
Is he supervised or directed (yes)
And so on. I can't think of a single one of the usual tests that are used in IR35 determinations that would point to him not being an employee. After being done for taking part in a Jimmy Carr-type artificial avoidance scheme, the clear signal is that he doesn't think he should pay his fair share of tax. Up there with Margaret Hodge for being a hypocrite, as far as I'm concerned.
Ah, I did say I wasn't an expert! :-) Cheers.
Post by: AV82EC on March 13, 2023, 02:44:55 PM
Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
I'm no expert, but I'd wager he'd argue that as he does similar for other broadcasters, such as BT Sport and that he also does other shows and events that he'd argue MOTD is a small part of his overall comtracting.
That doesn't come into it very much, if at all though. Each contract is judged on its own merits. There are numerous factors that are looked at to judge whether something is employment or not, including:
The length and number of contracts (he's been doing it for 24 years!)
Can he set his own hours (no)
Is there any financial risk in him doing it, ie if he made an error would he have to correct it (no)
Could he send somebody else to do it (presumably no)
Is he supervised or directed (yes)
And so on. I can't think of a single one of the usual tests that are used in IR35 determinations that would point to him not being an employee. After being done for taking part in a Jimmy Carr-type artificial avoidance scheme, the clear signal is that he doesn't think he should pay his fair share of tax. Up there with Margaret Hodge for being a hypocrite, as far as I'm concerned.
As an IR35 person I'd disagree on the substitution point Risso, but I think you're right on all the rest of it. I think he's going to be lucky if he gets away with it.
Post by: paul_e on March 13, 2023, 02:49:20 PM
Paul, thank you for the considered response. I fundamentally disagree, but this is perhaps the wrong part of the forum to discuss it in the detail it deserves (and we'd probably enjoy!) without sidetracking things too much for everyone else?
Fair, I was going to post something similar on the small boats thread but it got locked as I was typing something up. What I did say on there though is that, in my opinion, how you learn from history isn't to expect things to be repeated in exactly the same way but rather to look for how current problems could develop and to drive public opinion away from the worst of those outcomes. I think that's what Lineker was attempting to do, and I think that's ok, even if it requires some comparisons that people don't like.
Post by: olaftab on March 13, 2023, 02:51:25 PM
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 02:52:34 PM
As an IR35 person I'd disagree on the substitution point Risso, but I think you're right on all the rest of it. I think he's going to be lucky if he gets away with it.
How so? They do have other people stand in from time to time, eg Mark Chapman, but I'd assume that's arranged by the BBC and not Lineker.
Post by: Chris Smith on March 13, 2023, 03:00:04 PM
As an IR35 person I'd disagree on the substitution point Risso, but I think you're right on all the rest of it. I think he's going to be lucky if he gets away with it.
How so? They do have other people stand in from time to time, eg Mark Chapman, but I'd assume that's arranged by the BBC and not Lineker.
The same people seem to crop up on the football coverage across all the different channels, BBC, Sky, BT, ITV and Amazon. I suspect they all live in a shared house and if one them is hungover or has managed to pull then they get somebody else to cover their shift.
Post by: AV82EC on March 13, 2023, 03:02:02 PM
As an IR35 person I'd disagree on the substitution point Risso, but I think you're right on all the rest of it. I think he's going to be lucky if he gets away with it.
How so? They do have other people stand in from time to time, eg Mark Chapman, but I'd assume that's arranged by the BBC and not Lineker.
I suppose my point would be if he offered a substitute (suitably qualified etc etc) to replace if he was unable to perform his contracted stuff then he would probably be meeting the terms of the agreement (from substitution clauses I've seen in my own contracts). If the BBC choose to use one of their own directly employed presenters then that's their decision and nothing to do with Lineker. However, we don't know the details of his contract but HMRC seem like they have a strong case.
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 13, 2023, 03:15:12 PM
Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
He owes about £5 million doesn't he? Good. I haven't had a sniff at an outside IR35 piece of work in ages, pretty much every contract consultant I talk to says there's absolutely nowt doing unless it's via an umbrella inside 35.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 13, 2023, 03:18:23 PM
Looks like he will be coming back.
Missed opportunity to change the guard.
I agree on everyone else's take that MotD is old and needs a shake-up. However the BBC weren't removing him for this, they had suddenly decided to remove him for daring to criticise a policy many know is unworkable. There was nothing controversial or offensive* in those tweets to make the BBC decide this was the action needed. In fact justifying it on impartiality reasons a few weeks after the Chairs controversial appointment make is look even more like censorship. I was actually more offended with his tweet when Emery was appointed. And don't forget it wasn't just the old guard, lots of presenters new and old took it as massive overreaction and unfair. Unless they went down the route of no presenters, I think most would look at taking that job as a poisoned chalice.
So no, I don't think it was a missed opportunity to change the guard on the back of that. The missed opportunity was when they decided to renew his contract in 2020.
* apart from history buffs.
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 03:25:06 PM
Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
He owes about £5 million doesn't he? Good. I haven't had a sniff at an outside IR35 piece of work in ages, pretty much every contract consultant I talk to says there's absolutely nowt doing unless it's via an umbrella inside 35.
A lot of employers take a zero tolerance approach these days, and just say it's PAYE or nothing.
Post by: lovejoy on March 13, 2023, 03:54:59 PM
Either way the tax affairs of a football presenter are small beer in comparison to inhumane treatment of desperate people and ugly rhetoric around our response to them.
Post by: SaddVillan on March 13, 2023, 04:45:08 PM
Looks like he will be coming back.
Missed opportunity to change the guard.
I agree on everyone else's take that MotD is old and needs a shake-up. However the BBC weren't removing him for this, they had suddenly decided to remove him for daring to criticise a policy many know is unworkable. There was nothing controversial or offensive* in those tweets to make the BBC decide this was the action needed. In fact justifying it on impartiality reasons a few weeks after the Chairs controversial appointment make is look even more like censorship. I was actually more offended with his tweet when Emery was appointed. And don't forget it wasn't just the old guard, lots of presenters new and old took it as massive overreaction and unfair. Unless they went down the route of no presenters, I think most would look at taking that job as a poisoned chalice.
So no, I don't think it was a missed opportunity to change the guard on the back of that. The missed opportunity was when they decided to renew his contract in 2020.
* apart from history buffs.
Take your point on the format. It's tired, derivative and lazy.
It doesn't cover the Prem equally, the focus is only ever on the "Super Six" and then on which ever one is "in crisis", the rest of the are treated in a very patronising manner.
A major criticism is that it relies on the chumocracy of ex- professionals who by and large have difficulties with English grammar, struggle to explain themselves and duck out of criticising players.
They're happy to stage off referees,
never call out cheating or diving and they never call out shite performances.
Could/would the public tune in for something that's a bit less tabloid?
Get a referee on to explain how decisions are made.
Focus on a different club each week.
Get FSA representatives on to discuss issues of concern to supporters.
On the continent football programmes have panels that include top journalists who are able to provide a more detached analysis of the game - looking at the bigger picture, with proper criticism and analysis, and not just pointing out who kicked what where.
If one good thing comes out of this episode, it might be a major review of the MOTD format and concept.
And a final thought - good though Lineker may or may not be and setting aside the current controversy - how many viewers would the programme actually lose if he were replaced when his contract expires by say Mark Chapman?
Post by: clash city rocker on March 13, 2023, 05:01:26 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 13, 2023, 05:03:56 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 13, 2023, 05:10:11 PM
How relevant is motd these days ? I never watch it. Not like years ago. Sky and the Internet changed all that. I see average viewing figures are about 2.1m...is that a lot in today's viewing figures? For me I might be more tempted to watch it if it had different pundits on every week. Maybe players and managers from lower leagues who might give viewers a different insight. Even non league pundits. There might be some right stars out there. Fuck this shearer/wright/murphy/ richards/ Lineker...week in week out....
I'm the same in that it's not a must see most of the time. Having said that, watching a match we're involved in down the pub live I look forward to the highlights on MOTD to get their analysis if we play well and win. Shearer's limited adjectives to describe our good play give one a nice warm glow after a feed of beer.
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 05:10:43 PM
Not sure about the workings of IR35 but wasn't it aimed at people who do 100% of their work for one company?
No. Not at all.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 13, 2023, 05:16:10 PM
Not sure about the workings of IR35 but wasn't it aimed at people who do 100% of their work for one company?
No. Not at all.
Oh. In a sentence explain to the uninitiated (me) what it's about please, who is it meant to trap/control etc?
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 05:23:04 PM
Not sure about the workings of IR35 but wasn't it aimed at people who do 100% of their work for one company?
No. Not at all.
Oh. In a sentence explain to the uninitiated (me) what it's about please, who is it meant to trap/control etc?
It's designed to stop people who should be employees of a company disguising themselves as self-employed and therefore paying less tax and national insurance. There's no one measure that means you are or aren't an employee, but HMRC and the courts look at a range of factors. As somebody involved in this area for a living and who has no love for HMRC whatsoever, I would politely suggest that Lineker is taking the piss.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2023, 06:02:21 PM
Is he still outside IR35? How the chuff does he manage that?
HMRC have felt his collar on it, and it's just awaiting the tribunal. My considered opinion is that he's got absolutely no chance.
He owes about £5 million doesn't he? Good. I haven't had a sniff at an outside IR35 piece of work in ages, pretty much every contract consultant I talk to says there's absolutely nowt doing unless it's via an umbrella inside 35.
I've been looking at maybe doing some contracting some time, having not done any for a while now.
IR35 used to (years ago) basically get ignored. Now it just seems utterly unavoidable.
Post by: Pete3206 on March 13, 2023, 07:32:32 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 13, 2023, 08:05:23 PM
Post by: AV82EC on March 13, 2023, 08:27:30 PM
On IR35, I've very fortunately found myself outside on my current contract and have also noticed how few and far between these contracts are. With the emphasis moving to employing companies being liable for contractors tax status its quite obvious they're taking a completely risk averse approach.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 13, 2023, 08:33:25 PM
Not sure about the workings of IR35 but wasn't it aimed at people who do 100% of their work for one company? In GE's case he works predominantly for the BBC but also does some BT stuff, then there's the Crisps, modelling and other endorsements he's involved in.
His goal hanger podcasts are also doing well (the rest is history etc)
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 13, 2023, 08:41:20 PM
I do find it odd that lineker being BBC s top earner on £1.35 million and is joined by the likes of Shearer on 440k and either Ian Wright or Jenas on over £200k , yet MOTD has only 2 million viewers . It just seems a lot to pay for the 48th most watched program.
Does it sell overseas?
Post by: eamonn on March 13, 2023, 08:42:13 PM
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2023, 08:46:11 PM
I do find it odd that lineker being BBC s top earner on £1.35 million and is joined by the likes of Shearer on 440k and either Ian Wright or Jenas on over £200k , yet MOTD has only 2 million viewers . It just seems a lot to pay for the 48th most watched program.
Does it sell overseas?
I was wondering that, but surely the Premier League have that all sewn up?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 13, 2023, 08:52:41 PM
Post by: Dave on March 13, 2023, 08:56:37 PM
I do find it odd that lineker being BBC s top earner on £1.35 million and is joined by the likes of Shearer on 440k and either Ian Wright or Jenas on over £200k , yet MOTD has only 2 million viewers . It just seems a lot to pay for the 48th most watched program.
Does it sell overseas?
I was wondering that, but surely the Premier League have that all sewn up?
Yeah, the content that MOTD shows isn't their product to sell elsewhere.
Obviously they are paid stupid and unnecessarily high amounts, but it's also not just Match Of The Day, it's other matches / sports / online etc.
Not that it means your overall point isn't still valid - but I don't think it's really a "pound-per-viewer" equation with something like this.
For example the 20m+ audiences that the same people were fronting three months ago didn't suddenly mean they were ten times as valuable as they were two Saturdays ago.
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 13, 2023, 09:08:05 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 13, 2023, 09:46:41 PM
I think that the fees they receive also have to pay for their assistants, PR people, management et al.
And a chauffeur looking at linekar
Best job on the beeb
Post by: paul_e on March 13, 2023, 11:04:42 PM
I think that the fees they receive also have to pay for their assistants, PR people, management et al.
If that is the case then surely that changes things and makes the idea that he's dodging tax very different.
Post by: Pete3206 on March 13, 2023, 11:26:34 PM
I know little and care less about the Gary Lineker situation. What I do know is that the whole thing shows the UK up for the shitshow that it is. That the whole place can lose its shit quite like this, well, it's not a good sign and not a good look.
Completely agree. People have totally lost the plot over this. After this week's MOTD, it's chip paper.
Post by: Risso on March 14, 2023, 07:20:56 AM
I think that the fees they receive also have to pay for their assistants, PR people, management et al.
If that is the case then surely that changes things and makes the idea that he's dodging tax very different.
Not it doesn’t. He doesn’t have to pay for the PR for MOTD and if he needs a PA to make his life simpler that’s down to him. It doesn’t change the nature of his work with the BBC.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 14, 2023, 11:16:50 AM
Is MOTD dated? I don't see what's so forward-thinking about football coverage on other channels. Highlights/interviews/analysis...I'm not sure there's much you can do to "sex it up".
Yeah to be honest I think it’s fine. I might not always agree with all the punditry, but there’s often a fair bit of good stuff in it.
Post by: Lizz on March 14, 2023, 06:18:22 PM
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1635604391141990401
Post by: KevinGage on March 14, 2023, 06:27:12 PM
The Falklands would be my suggestion.
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 14, 2023, 06:29:43 PM
Mark (I'm not bitter, not at all) Lawrenson has been on GB News suggesting Lineker et al should be sacked. He's not ageing well.I don't agree with what Lineker said, but anyone on GB News I know immediately what there view is of immigration
https://twitter.com/GBNEWS/status/1635604391141990401
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 14, 2023, 06:29:59 PM
I know little and care less about the Gary Lineker situation. What I do know is that the whole thing shows the UK up for the shitshow that it is. That the whole place can lose its shit quite like this, well, it's not a good sign and not a good look.
Completely agree. People have totally lost the plot over this. After this week's MOTD, it's chip paper.
Andrew Marr did a 4 minute slot a few days ago reinforcing this point
Post by: Dave on March 14, 2023, 07:00:24 PM
Send Mark Lawrenson away in a little small boat somewhere.
The Falklands would be my suggestion.
The bottom of the Sargasso Sea would be mine.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 14, 2023, 07:06:54 PM
Even when we’ve lost I sit on the bog at work and watch it on my phone on Sunday morning. Sure beats working.
Post by: Damo70 on March 14, 2023, 07:16:10 PM
Send Mark Lawrenson away in a little small boat somewhere.
The Falklands would be my suggestion.
The bottom of the Sargasso Sea would be mine.
I haven't seen or heard of Mark Lawrenson for ages so for all I knew he could have been a little boat somewhere
anyway.
Post by: Dave on March 14, 2023, 07:29:39 PM
Send Mark Lawrenson away in a little small boat somewhere.
The Falklands would be my suggestion.
The bottom of the Sargasso Sea would be mine.
I haven't seen or heard of Mark Lawrenson for ages so for all I knew he could have been a little boat somewhere
anyway.
As per Lizz's post - looking at the video of him talking he's aged so badly you'd assume it was his creepy uncle who's just been released from a VPU at Winson Green. A demographic that probably has a big GB News crossover.
Hope you're doing okay Damo, great to see you back posting.
Post by: Louzie0 on March 14, 2023, 08:00:48 PM
I’ve always loved the theme tune. I sold a load of early electronic keyboards in a Christmas toy department in a well known big shop in Manchester on a temp student job, when I played it every hour to demonstrate what the thing could do and it never failed to bring a crowd in from the escalator.
Like everyone else, I don’t watch it if we lose and there were those years in the Championship….there were also the seasons when ITV got the contract and it was brilliant to watch the first MOTD after that!
I don’t like the odd pundit ( DM - surprise!) but really enjoy hearing what most of them have to say, same with the commentators. It’s great if they are trying out someone new, and yes, thank goodness ML has gone, he was such an energy drain towards the end of his time, as was Alan Hansen.
I like Gary Lineker, Ian Wright, Alan Shearer, Martin McKeown; and Mark Chapman and Colin Murray as MOTD 2 presenters, including their radio. Female football presenters, Alex Scott, Sue Smith and Gabby Logan.
And, great to see you back here, Damo70.
Post by: dr.chekov on March 14, 2023, 08:17:55 PM
Send Mark Lawrenson away in a little small boat somewhere.
The Falklands would be my suggestion.
The bottom of the Sargasso Sea would be mine.
I haven't seen or heard of Mark Lawrenson for ages so for all I knew he could have been a little boat somewhere
anyway.
As per Lizz's post - looking at the video of him talking he's aged so badly you'd assume it was his creepy uncle who's just been released from a VPU at Winson Green. A demographic that probably has a big GB News crossover.
Hope you're doing okay Damo, great to see you back posting.
I met him at Villa Park when we beat Inter (Phil King game). I guess he was commentating. Probably comes as a surprise to nobody, he was very miserable.
Post by: adrenachrome on March 14, 2023, 09:07:09 PM
Fock him and the horse he rode in on.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 14, 2023, 09:46:00 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 14, 2023, 11:46:00 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 15, 2023, 12:38:34 AM
Post by: Bad English on March 15, 2023, 05:51:33 AM
Yeah, it's mentioned a few times underneath the tweet that it is misleading. Still a twat, like.What can you say, he's a country lad.
Post by: danno on March 15, 2023, 09:27:34 AM
Send Mark Lawrenson away in a little small boat somewhere.
The Falklands would be my suggestion.
The bottom of the Sargasso Sea would be mine.
I haven't seen or heard of Mark Lawrenson for ages so for all I knew he could have been a little boat somewhere
anyway.
He retired last year, football focus gave him a half arsed send off, which was weirdly appropriate given how lazy his “analysis“ often was.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 15, 2023, 09:44:48 AM
Post by: dave shelley on March 15, 2023, 09:50:29 AM
Welcome back Damo, hope all is good with you.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on March 15, 2023, 09:57:22 AM
Was it Lawro who said our fans had taken football back to the dark ages after our pitch invasion against the Albion? I didn’t watch it on telly, I was too busy skipping across the pitch with thousands of other delirious Villa fans. What a twat. Obviously, I take that back of it wasn’t him.
I think that was McNalty
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 10:12:51 AM
Was it Lawro who said our fans had taken football back to the dark ages after our pitch invasion against the Albion? I didn’t watch it on telly, I was too busy skipping across the pitch with thousands of other delirious Villa fans. What a twat. Obviously, I take that back of it wasn’t him.
I think that was McNalty
The commentator on TV was Jonathan Pearce I think, who came out with the dark ages guff. McNulty repeated the nonsense in the match report.
Post by: eamonn on March 15, 2023, 10:13:10 AM
Post by: Deano's Mullet on March 15, 2023, 10:17:06 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 15, 2023, 10:45:02 AM
Was it Lawro who said our fans had taken football back to the dark ages after our pitch invasion against the Albion? I didn’t watch it on telly, I was too busy skipping across the pitch with thousands of other delirious Villa fans. What a twat. Obviously, I take that back of it wasn’t him.
I think that was McNalty
The commentator on TV was Jonathan Pearce I think, who came out with the dark ages guff. McNulty repeated the nonsense in the match report.
McNulty barely qualifies as a football journalist, just churns out bland shit from club press releases on the BBC site. I can't stand him.
Also, Dan Roan. What a bland waste of space.
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 10:46:10 AM
Also, Dan Roan. What a bland waste of space.
Randomly, he's my mate's brother. They don't get on.
Post by: rob_bridge on March 15, 2023, 10:48:47 AM
Was it not Jonathan Pearce on comms? Disappointing as he went to uni in Brum and it is thought he has an affinity with us. But he's also a windbag.
Yes coincidentally he was season ticket holder in 80/81
Post by: OCD on March 15, 2023, 10:57:24 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 15, 2023, 11:06:12 AM
I remember Jonathan Pearce did all our UEFA Cup games in 97-98. He was bonkers.
He started doing BRMB / Capital Gold commentary which I thought was exclusively for us Midlander's as he always seemed to be on our games.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 15, 2023, 12:28:23 PM
Post by: Dave on March 15, 2023, 12:30:22 PM
I wonder will Mr Hunt will announce anything regards the license fee in the budget today?
He won't.
Happy to help.
Post by: Bad English on March 15, 2023, 12:30:23 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 15, 2023, 12:35:35 PM
Post by: Risso on March 15, 2023, 01:09:31 PM
In France League it's illegal to have player release clause fees.
That’s interesting.
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 15, 2023, 01:16:31 PM
I remember Jonathan Pearce did all our UEFA Cup games in 97-98. He was bonkers.
He started doing BRMB / Capital Gold commentary which I thought was exclusively for us Midlander's as he always seemed to be on our games.
Before that he was Capital Radio's sport correspondent when Capital Radio was a London only thing (There's a tower in the heart of London) he was a loon, I hated his commentary and punditry, a shouty gobshite.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 15, 2023, 01:27:28 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on March 15, 2023, 01:29:28 PM
I think the presenters are excellent and despite the rough ride they get on here most of the pundits are pretty good and I enjoy their analysis. Even Murphy sometimes makes sense.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 15, 2023, 01:59:00 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 15, 2023, 02:02:56 PM
I like MOTD
I think the presenters are excellent and despite the rough ride they get on here most of the pundits are pretty good and I enjoy their analysis. Even Murphy sometimes makes sense.
Agreed. Wouldn't go so far as excellent presenters but cliché/articulation-aside, the pundits do usually spot stuff in the analysis that most fans wouldn't.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 15, 2023, 02:08:54 PM
While I was stood next to him Jonathan Pearce watching the cup draw after the game with Mark Bright , all he kept saying to me was 'whens the buffet open'
Greedy bastard
Post by: Dave on March 15, 2023, 02:11:55 PM
I like MOTD
I think the presenters are excellent and despite the rough ride they get on here most of the pundits are pretty good and I enjoy their analysis. Even Murphy sometimes makes sense.
Agreed. Wouldn't go so far as excellent presenters but cliché/articulation-aside, the pundits do usually spot stuff in the analysis that most fans wouldn't.
It's also deliberately targeted at a broader level of interest, rather than football obsessives. Anyone going out of their way to post on a football team's internet forum is probably already too engaged in the subject to really be what MOTD is providing for.
I reckon there probably is room for some sort of more in-depth tactical analysis programming and if I were in charge that's what I'd do with the Sunday night show. But the Saturday show is probably about right for the sort of Saturday audience that it's aiming to cater for.
Post by: algy on March 15, 2023, 02:46:06 PM
I sponsored a FA Cup game between Hinckley and Brentford a few years back whickwas on MOTD ."who ate all the hors d'oeuvres?
While I was stood next to him Jonathan Pearce watching the cup draw after the game with Mark Bright , all he kept saying to me was 'whens the buffet open'
Greedy bastard
who ate all the hors d'oeuvres?
You fat bastard!
You fat bastard!
You ate all the hors d'oeuvres!"
Post by: Chris Smith on March 15, 2023, 03:39:06 PM
I like MOTD
I think the presenters are excellent and despite the rough ride they get on here most of the pundits are pretty good and I enjoy their analysis. Even Murphy sometimes makes sense.
Agreed. Wouldn't go so far as excellent presenters but cliché/articulation-aside, the pundits do usually spot stuff in the analysis that most fans wouldn't.
I can’t stand listening to them, particularly if Micah Richards is involved. I record MOTD and will watch on Sunday morning, as long as we haven’t lost, but fast forward through all of the chat other than for our game.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 16, 2023, 02:36:19 PM
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Gary Lineker thought he had a "special agreement" with the BBC's director general to tweet about refugees and immigration, his agent has said.
In a piece in the New Statesman, Jon Holmes has described the crisis talks held with BBC bosses during last week's stand-off.
He said he warned them that suspending Lineker could be damaging, hours before a staff walk-out began.
The BBC apologised for the disruption and will review its social media rules.
On last week's row, Mr Holmes said: "Gary Lineker, with whom I've worked since 1980, had tweeted about the policy, reiterating his support for refugees.
"Gary takes a passionate interest in refugees and immigration and, as he saw it, had a special agreement with Tim Davie, the BBC's director general, to tweet about these issues."
He said social media guidelines for some BBC staff were "a bit vague", but said his client "assiduously avoids" appearing on political programmes.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64976007
Post by: paul_e on March 28, 2023, 03:33:45 PM
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Tribunal Judge John Brooks found the IR35 legislation did not apply because there were direct contracts between the presenter and both the BBC and BT Sport.
The tribunal found that while Gary Lineker Media (GLM), which he set up with his then wife in 2012, was a partnership to which IR35 legislation applies, the appeal was still dismissed in full because contracts existed.
The judge said: “As a matter of law, when Mr Lineker signed the 2013 BBC Contract, the 2015 BBC Contract and the BT Sport Contract for the provision of his services, he did so as principal thereby contracting directly with the BBC and BT Sport.
“As such, the intermediaries legislation cannot apply – it is only applicable ‘where services are provided not under a contract directly between client and the worker’.
“In this case Mr Lineker’s services were provided under direct contracts with the BBC and BT Sport.
“Although such a conclusion might appear inconsistent with my conclusions that the intermediaries legislation can apply to partnerships… that is not the case.”
Post by: eamonn on March 29, 2023, 12:03:21 AM
Post by: Risso on March 29, 2023, 12:34:00 AM
Time to set the dogs on him or at least Risso.
It's the First Tier Tribunal. Let's see what the Upper Tier says. The lower lot have ruled on something of a technicality, not the actual substance of his working relationship with the BBC.
Post by: AV82EC on March 29, 2023, 09:23:15 AM
Time to set the dogs on him or at least Risso.
It's the First Tier Tribunal. Let's see what the Upper Tier says. The lower lot have ruled on something of a technicality, not the actual substance of his working relationship with the BBC.
Is that what happens Risso? Does it go up automatically or do HMRC have to appeal it there?
Post by: lovejoy on March 29, 2023, 09:48:03 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 29, 2023, 09:52:11 AM
I sponsored a FA Cup game between Hinckley and Brentford a few years back whickwas on MOTD .
While I was stood next to him Jonathan Pearce watching the cup draw after the game with Mark Bright , all he kept saying to me was 'whens the buffet open'
Greedy bastard
Ha ha, that's a good one - you should submit to @SpottedPLPlayer
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 01, 2023, 08:38:19 PM
Post by: Nev on April 01, 2023, 08:41:24 PM
Mainly because I can't stay awake on a Saturday night.
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2023, 08:59:36 PM
I save it 'till Sunday morning.
Mainly because I can't stay awake on a Saturday night.
Same here usually. I’m normally the only person up so get to watch it in peace with a cup of tea. Might try to stay awake tonight though.
Post by: Dave on April 01, 2023, 09:05:43 PM
I save it 'till Sunday morning.
Mainly because I can't stay awake on a Saturday night.
Same here usually. I’m normally the only person up so get to watch it in peace with a cup of tea. Might try to stay awake tonight though.
Decent set of other games as well.
Post by: Nev on April 01, 2023, 09:12:40 PM
I save it 'till Sunday morning.
Mainly because I can't stay awake on a Saturday night.
Same here usually. I’m normally the only person up so get to watch it in peace with a cup of tea. Might try to stay awake tonight though.
Decent set of other games as well.
Out of which I take no joy whatsoever if we've lost but become fascinating after a result like tonight's.
Anyway back to Frank...Myyyyyyy kind of town!
Post by: dr.chekov on April 01, 2023, 09:38:42 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on April 01, 2023, 09:57:35 PM
I save it 'till Sunday morning.
Mainly because I can't stay awake on a Saturday night.
Same here usually. I’m normally the only person up so get to watch it in peace with a cup of tea. Might try to stay awake tonight though.
MOTD on iplayer on a Sunday morning with a cup of tea is the way to go. You can fast-forward the amazing 'analysis' as well.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 01, 2023, 10:04:06 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 01, 2023, 10:07:45 PM
Away win at Chelsea, still 'Chappers' presenting instead of Lineker, a decent bottle of red to drink, I'll definitely be watching it tonight.
I'm not mad about Chapman, he tends to dwell on one tactical point that he has picked-up on and make the ex-pros talk about it, even if they'd rather focus on something else. And he always has to have the last word trying to be a smart-arse when the pundits are gently ribbing him. Give me Lineker and his awful/inspired puns although I don't think he's as good at listening to the punditas as Chapman is. In short, the Beeb don't have a top football anchorman between them.
Post by: adrenachrome on April 02, 2023, 01:03:23 AM
Away win at Chelsea, still 'Chappers' presenting instead of Lineker, a decent bottle of red to drink, I'll definitely be watching it tonight.
I'm not mad about Chapman, he tends to dwell on one tactical point that he has picked-up on and make the ex-pros talk about it, even if they'd rather focus on something else. And he always has to have the last word trying to be a smart-arse when the pundits are gently ribbing him. Give me Lineker and his awful/inspired puns although I don't think he's as good at listening to the punditas as Chapman is. In short, the Beeb don't have a top football anchorman between them.
The woman on BT Sport does a brilliant job when you consider that Gobby Savage and Sutton are there to take the piss out of each other and Sidwell keeps waving his pen and talking gobbledygook.
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on April 02, 2023, 11:29:13 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2023, 12:13:24 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 03, 2023, 09:22:34 AM
Although I'm guessing it was him stating some managers are better suited for the big clubs, when the main narrative was 20 players bought in with no rhyme or reason or what was actually needed for the team.
Post by: Dave on April 03, 2023, 09:35:46 AM
Although I'm guessing it was him stating some managers are better suited for the big clubs
Is that a particularly controversial opinion?
Post by: tomd2103 on April 03, 2023, 09:46:32 AM
Away win at Chelsea, still 'Chappers' presenting instead of Lineker, a decent bottle of red to drink, I'll definitely be watching it tonight.
I'm not mad about Chapman, he tends to dwell on one tactical point that he has picked-up on and make the ex-pros talk about it, even if they'd rather focus on something else. And he always has to have the last word trying to be a smart-arse when the pundits are gently ribbing him. Give me Lineker and his awful/inspired puns although I don't think he's as good at listening to the punditas as Chapman is. In short, the Beeb don't have a top football anchorman between them.
Gabby Logan is one of the best sports presenters at the BBC and would be good on MOTD, yet seems to have been allocated to rugby despite her family background with football.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 03, 2023, 09:54:56 AM
No, although I think it would have been difficult for any manager to be immediately successful at Chelsea under these circumstances.Although I'm guessing it was him stating some managers are better suited for the big clubs
Is that a particularly controversial opinion?
Its absolute bonkers to embark on that sort of player acquisition strategy and whilst signing these players on extremely long contracts to get over FFP, this could in fact have huge negative consequences.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 03, 2023, 09:57:28 AM
Away win at Chelsea, still 'Chappers' presenting instead of Lineker, a decent bottle of red to drink, I'll definitely be watching it tonight.
I'm not mad about Chapman, he tends to dwell on one tactical point that he has picked-up on and make the ex-pros talk about it, even if they'd rather focus on something else. And he always has to have the last word trying to be a smart-arse when the pundits are gently ribbing him. Give me Lineker and his awful/inspired puns although I don't think he's as good at listening to the punditas as Chapman is. In short, the Beeb don't have a top football anchorman between them.
Gabby Logan is one of the best sports presenters at the BBC and would be good on MOTD, yet seems to have been allocated to rugby despite her family background with football.
I think being married to a former international rugby player probably puts her firmly in the egg chasers camp.
Post by: Bully2345 on April 03, 2023, 09:59:43 AM
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 03, 2023, 10:15:20 AM
Lineker is excellent on MOTD. I also really enjoy listening to Chapman on 5live on my way to Villa Park of a Saturday. It enhances my day. Both are fantastic broadcasters and BBC will be poorer if they lose either of them
Totally agree.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 03, 2023, 10:26:54 AM
Although I'm guessing it was him stating some managers are better suited for the big clubs
Is that a particularly controversial opinion?
Not really, although it was the only bit I noticed that might have been the need for any particular need to call Danny Murphy a name (if a specific reason was needed).
Post by: LeeB on April 03, 2023, 10:28:35 AM
Away win at Chelsea, still 'Chappers' presenting instead of Lineker, a decent bottle of red to drink, I'll definitely be watching it tonight.
I'm not mad about Chapman, he tends to dwell on one tactical point that he has picked-up on and make the ex-pros talk about it, even if they'd rather focus on something else. And he always has to have the last word trying to be a smart-arse when the pundits are gently ribbing him. Give me Lineker and his awful/inspired puns although I don't think he's as good at listening to the punditas as Chapman is. In short, the Beeb don't have a top football anchorman between them.
Gabby Logan is one of the best sports presenters at the BBC and would be good on MOTD, yet seems to have been allocated to rugby despite her family background with football.
I think being married to a former international rugby player probably puts her firmly in the egg chasers camp.
And being Welsh, they loves it alright but?
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 03, 2023, 08:24:39 PM
Post by: AV82EC on April 03, 2023, 08:25:38 PM
I think I read somewhere that Gabby Logan is a Newcastle fan.
Think she was born up that way, did her old man play for one of the NE clubs?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 03, 2023, 08:34:18 PM
Lineker is excellent on MOTD. I also really enjoy listening to Chapman on 5live on my way to Villa Park of a Saturday. It enhances my day. Both are fantastic broadcasters and BBC will be poorer if they lose either of them
Totally agree.
And me.
Post by: Gerrin on April 03, 2023, 08:59:30 PM
I think I read somewhere that Gabby Logan is a Newcastle fan.
Rumours were she was getting it off Shera.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/gabby-logan-book-alan-shearer-28140226
Post by: adrenachrome on April 03, 2023, 09:10:59 PM
I think I read somewhere that Gabby Logan is a Newcastle fan.
She said so on Desert Island Discs and she picked that Dire Straits track that they run out to.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 03, 2023, 09:17:12 PM
Post by: Pete on April 05, 2023, 12:00:54 PM
I think I read somewhere that Gabby Logan is a Newcastle fan.
Think she was born up that way, did her old man play for one of the NE clubs?
No, he never played or managed any further north than Leeds or Bradford. She went to university up there, Durham.
Post by: AV82EC on April 05, 2023, 01:52:48 PM
I think I read somewhere that Gabby Logan is a Newcastle fan.
Think she was born up that way, did her old man play for one of the NE clubs?
No, he never played or managed any further north than Leeds or Bradford. She went to university up there, Durham.
Morning Eastie. <winky thing>
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2023, 10:16:18 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 10:22:46 PM
MOTD is switching channels to BBC2 tonight. It’s on.
Was thinking they wouldn't interrupt Eurovision for it.
Post by: Ger Regan on May 13, 2023, 10:43:16 PM
Post by: Bad English on May 13, 2023, 10:46:42 PM
Anyone know a way of watching outside of the uk? VPNs don't seem to work with iplayer.Mine does.*
*I'm not.watching bloody Eurovision though
If you have a decent VPN then try clearing cookies and cache, connect VPN to UK, go on to iPlayer in incognito or private mode, log in and watch your programme. Works for me with NordVPN.
Post by: Ger Regan on May 13, 2023, 10:58:49 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2023, 11:10:15 PM
Just talked about how Spurs couldn't understand how offside works, and that was literally that.
Post by: LeeB on May 13, 2023, 11:12:54 PM
Remarkably shit coverage that.
Just talked about how Spurs couldn't understand how offside works, and that was literally that.
Yeah, and our high line will soon be worked out? Our mean defence and massive points tally since deploying it would suggest otherwise, you twat
Post by: SaddVillan on May 13, 2023, 11:15:52 PM
No analysis of the "pen" just your typical Greedy6 obsessed focus on Spuds deficiencies.
Post by: Rich6by7 on May 13, 2023, 11:18:19 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on May 13, 2023, 11:21:17 PM
Remarkably shit coverage that.
Just talked about how Spurs couldn't understand how offside works, and that was literally that.
Yeah, and our high line will soon be worked out? Our mean defence and massive points tally since deploying it would suggest otherwise, you twat
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Yeah rubbish coverage, but that stat they showed did surprise me, since Unai took over, we had more successful offsides, than any other team in the league, 92 Liverpool next with 65 and we had 9 today, whether teams will work us out remains to be seen.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2023, 11:21:56 PM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on May 13, 2023, 11:22:24 PM
- the National Media
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2023, 11:30:33 PM
Cheers, have expressvpn but isn't working on either chrome or safari for me. Will look into it again.
It's repeated on BBC1 tomorrow morning at 7.35. PW is right though, you didn't miss much.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 14, 2023, 01:21:20 AM
Post by: Chap on May 14, 2023, 02:59:50 AM
Post by: Rory on May 14, 2023, 03:14:45 AM
Focus was on the top four and relegation issues, how convenient!!
And on the father-son relationship. For all his faults, I like Ian Wright, but tonight was just weird. Putting two men on a sofa, one of whom has shagged the other's mother, is rarely a good idea.
That's why they never put Wayne Rooney on camera with anybody 65+.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 14, 2023, 03:15:36 AM
What is 'credit', why do we need it, and how - as Villa fans - are we supposed to feel once we have received the 'credit'? Will it make any difference to anything, to anyone, other than the Gods of football karma who continue to insist that all 'credit' must be repaid in defeats?
We don't want any fucking 'credit' (well, I don't)!
Post by: Rory on May 14, 2023, 03:20:51 AM
Every time we're doing well, all we hear from Villa fans is that the media doesn't give us 'credit'. Every time the media notices us and starts to give us 'credit', we start losing games. It's been happening for as long as I've been paying attention.
What is 'credit', why do we need it, and how - as Villa fans - are we supposed to feel once we have received the 'credit'? Will it make any difference to anything, to anyone, other than the Gods of football karma who continue to insist that all 'credit' must be repaid in defeats?
We don't want any fucking 'credit' (well, I don't)!
Agreed. I'd much rather we were last on every episode of MOTD and our title win next year come completely out of the blue.
Post by: olaftab on May 14, 2023, 05:18:48 AM
Fucking wankers.The pen was insignificant in the overall match result, so did not require any chewing over.
No analysis of the "pen" just your typical Greedy6 obsessed focus on Spuds deficiencies.
Post by: olaftab on May 14, 2023, 05:21:01 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 14, 2023, 07:22:14 AM
Well said SE. We do not need any recognition or praise from twats that we despise in any case so fuck em. We know who we are.I with both of you on this one, I really don’t care what the twats in the studio say.
Fuckem.
Post by: Axl Rose on May 14, 2023, 07:44:22 AM
I watch it here.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2023, 08:42:53 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2023, 09:05:56 AM
Having Ian Wright and his son on was just weird. SWP was hopeless on it.
I like Ian Wright but you're right, it was weird. I've never seen SWP work as a match analyser anywhere else before, nice of the BBC to launch his career for him on their flagship show as a sop to his dad.
It's not what you know, eh?
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 14, 2023, 10:46:45 AM
Yep, cause SWP doesn’t seem to know much.Having Ian Wright and his son on was just weird. SWP was hopeless on it.
I like Ian Wright but you're right, it was weird. I've never seen SWP work as a match analyser anywhere else before, nice of the BBC to launch his career for him on their flagship show as a sop to his dad.
It's not what you know, eh?
Post by: eamonn on May 14, 2023, 10:55:46 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 14, 2023, 10:59:53 AM
I didn't so much care about us being on almost last, it was just the inane wankery about the high line, it was so pathetically lazy, and they literally did not mention us other than in that context.
Post by: The Edge on May 14, 2023, 11:04:38 AM
That dodgy pen could ultimately decide who gets the Europa league spot. There's only 2 goals separating us and Spurs. The only reason it wasn't analysed is the fact that it was England poster boy Harry Kane who did the cheating.Fucking wankers.The pen was insignificant in the overall match result, so did not require any chewing over.
No analysis of the "pen" just your typical Greedy6 obsessed focus on Spuds deficiencies.
Post by: eamonn on May 14, 2023, 11:20:34 AM
Post by: The Edge on May 14, 2023, 11:51:32 AM
MOTD only has time to analyse one main narrative from each team and the high-line thing is valid given we have employed it far more than anyone else in the league so I wouldn't be getting worked-up about not being praised and fawned over.True. But not analysing that dodgy penalty for Spurs was a very deliberate omission.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 14, 2023, 01:56:19 PM
MOTD only has time to analyse one main narrative from each team and the high-line thing is valid given we have employed it far more than anyone else in the league so I wouldn't be getting worked-up about not being praised and fawned over.
We work it excellently though don’t we ? Spurzzz did have a clue how to break it
Post by: Somniloquism on May 29, 2023, 01:27:26 PM
Post by: Smirker on May 29, 2023, 02:56:56 PM
Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.
Poor decision. Poor decision.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 29, 2023, 03:19:30 PM
what do you expect with that idiot.Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.
Poor decision. Poor decision.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 29, 2023, 03:22:53 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 03:24:08 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 29, 2023, 03:26:50 PM
Fucking hell I've just looked, that's criminal. You can choose the likes of Paqueta though in midfield? I'm sure he has been better than Luiz in the league this season *rubs chin*.
It's Garth Crooks, what do you expect?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 03:42:20 PM
Fucking hell I've just looked, that's criminal. You can choose the likes of Paqueta though in midfield? I'm sure he has been better than Luiz in the league this season *rubs chin*.
It's Garth Crooks, what do you expect?
Oh yeah, it's the first team I have seen of his this season because he is one of the worst pundits I have ever heard but even for him to not have a single Villa player option out of another 43 players considering what we have done since Emery came in is shite even by his low standards.
Post by: Chris Smith on May 29, 2023, 04:18:45 PM
what do you expect with that idiot.Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.
Poor decision. Poor decision.
And why does anyone care anyway?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 29, 2023, 04:37:59 PM
Post by: paul_e on May 29, 2023, 08:18:29 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2023, 08:30:00 PM
Fucking hell I've just looked, that's criminal. You can choose the likes of Paqueta though in midfield? I'm sure he has been better than Luiz in the league this season *rubs chin*.
It's Garth Crooks, what do you expect?
A friend was just breaking into football journalism and met Garth Crooks. He said he was in awe at first but after ten minutes chatting realised he knew bugger all about football.
Post by: Risso on May 29, 2023, 08:31:45 PM
Not including Mings and Luiz is pathetic, they've been superb since Emery came in and in the last 4 months are in the top 2-3 in the league in their positions.
And you can pick Gibbs-White as one of the forwards, who has chipped in with 5 goals this season.
Post by: paul_e on May 29, 2023, 08:45:43 PM
Not including Mings and Luiz is pathetic, they've been superb since Emery came in and in the last 4 months are in the top 2-3 in the league in their positions.
And you can pick Gibbs-White as one of the forwards, who has chipped in with 5 goals this season.
Watkins is the only player in the top 10 goalscorers list who you can't pick. You can select Jesus though, who didn't score in 17 between October 1st and April 1st, along with Gibbs-White as you mentioned.
Post by: Villa Lew on May 29, 2023, 09:25:00 PM
LolFucking hell I've just looked, that's criminal. You can choose the likes of Paqueta though in midfield? I'm sure he has been better than Luiz in the league this season *rubs chin*.
It's Garth Crooks, what do you expect?
A friend was just breaking into football journalism and met Garth Crooks. He said he was in awe at first but after ten minutes chatting realised he knew bugger all about football.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 29, 2023, 09:27:09 PM
Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.
Crooks is the new Lawro - crap, been there too long, cushy number and zero imagination. In fact less imagination than Shearer.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 29, 2023, 09:29:05 PM
Not including Mings and Luiz is pathetic, they've been superb since Emery came in and in the last 4 months are in the top 2-3 in the league in their positions.
And you can pick Gibbs-White as one of the forwards, who has chipped in with 5 goals this season.
I think Ings scored same or more with us
Post by: chrisw1 on May 30, 2023, 01:59:21 PM
Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.He hasn't even picked Martinez, which is ridiculous. He clearly doesn't watch much football outsider the top 4.
He picked Dias ahead of Mings and Casemiro over Luiz. I don't think many non Villa fans would disagree. Newcastle fans are raging that Botman and Guimares aren't in. I wouldn't be picking Watkins over Haaland or Kane either tbh.
Martinez is the glaring omission. The others are debatable.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 30, 2023, 02:40:32 PM
Garth Crooks has his team of the season picks up. No surprise he went Arsenal, Man Citeh etc, however you could pick your own obviously. However the ONLY Villa player chosen is Martinez, not one other one can picked in any of the outfield places.He hasn't even picked Martinez, which is ridiculous. He clearly doesn't watch much football outsider the top 4.
He picked Dias ahead of Mings and Casemiro over Luiz. I don't think many non Villa fans would disagree. Newcastle fans are raging that Botman and Guimares aren't in. I wouldn't be picking Watkins over Haaland or Kane either tbh.
Martinez is the glaring omission. The others are debatable.
No, it's not about his final team, I don't think many could argue with that, it's if you go on the BBC sport page where his XI is then you can choose your own season XI from multiple options. Out of 43 outfield players options, NONE of them are Villa.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 30, 2023, 02:45:55 PM
Post by: Bad English on May 30, 2023, 06:47:59 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 01, 2023, 03:01:05 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 01, 2023, 03:02:45 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2023, 03:06:05 PM
Anyway, did no one spot this fake-news stat by MOTD on Sunday? Makes us look tinpot as fcuk...
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doesn't make us look tinpot. It makes them look tinpot for getting it wrong. In the grand scheme of things nobody outside an eagle eyed Villa fan noticed ;)
Post by: Risso on June 01, 2023, 03:15:00 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on June 01, 2023, 03:15:25 PM
Post by: eamonn on June 01, 2023, 03:31:12 PM
Post by: caster troy on June 01, 2023, 04:23:29 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 01, 2023, 05:40:39 PM
I wonder if they meant to say 1st English player?
I assumed this when I saw it
Post by: Dave on September 28, 2023, 12:36:36 PM
https://apple.news/AOvLALGjLQK6CLa-8A0MhFg
Tim Davie and Gary Lineker have reached an agreement for Lineker’s return next week.
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High-profile BBC presenters should be able to express their views on political issues as long as they stop short of campaigning, according to a new report for the broadcaster after a row over Gary Lineker's tweets.
The policy only applies to presenters outside of its news coverage. News presenters will still be subject to stricter impartiality guidelines.
The BBC has not clarified what would constitute political campaigning for the big-name presenters.
Shortly after the announcement, Lineker shared a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, saying: "All very sensible," followed by a thumbs up emoji.
Aside from Lineker, other presenters the report has named as having "a particular responsibility to respect the BBC's impartiality" include The Apprentice's Lord Alan Sugar, Antiques Roadshow's Fiona Bruce, The One Show's Alex Jones and Strictly Come Dancing hosts Tess Daly and Claudia Winkleman.
Dragons' Den's Evan Davis, MasterChef hosts John Torode and Gregg Wallace, and Match Of The Day's Mark Chapman were all name-checked as falling under the revised rules.
BBC radio presenters who will be affected include Greg James, Zoe Ball, Vernon Kay and Scott Mills.
The update followed a review by former ITN executive John Hardie, looking at the BBC's social media guidance for on-air freelancers outside of news, current affairs and factual journalism.
Major broadcast events, including sporting events, could also fall under the guidelines, and will be confirmed when on air.
Actors, dramatists, comedians, musicians and pundits will not be affected by the new guidelines.
Lineker stood by posts on Twitter earlier this year in which he criticised the government's asylum policies.
The former England footballer was asked to "step back" from presenting Match Of The Day during the row over his comments - which compared the language used to launch a new government asylum seeker policy to that of 1930s Germany.
He later returned to the presenting role after the row prompted a boycott by his fellow football pundits and commentators, hitting TV and radio coverage across the BBC.
Carol Vorderman, who hosts a monthly Saturday lunchtime show on BBC Radio Wales, told the Sky News Daily Podcast earlier this month that as a freelancer with the broadcaster, she would "wait and see" what the new guidelines stipulated, adding: "I'll make a decision based on them as to whether I carry on."
Based on a reading of the new guidelines it would seem Vorderman will be able to carry on sharing her political opinions, as her radio show is not one of the broadcaster's flagship shows.
Pretty comprehensive victory for Lineker there then.
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 29, 2023, 01:22:31 AM
Hopefully it pisses off Tory *****.
Post by: amfy on October 01, 2023, 12:36:49 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on October 01, 2023, 01:02:59 AM
A 7 goal game between 2 top six sides is third in MOTD. There is nothing that would push Man City & Liverpool down the running order is there?
Us beating either of them would 😂
Post by: rob_bridge on October 01, 2023, 08:11:04 AM
Punditry is average at best with Shearer and Richards on.
Post by: Martyn Smith on October 01, 2023, 10:58:49 AM
Post by: Risso on October 01, 2023, 10:59:54 AM
Richards yelling about Matt Dawson. Does he not realise how microphones work?...
But he's a bloody bloke, top bants, love his infectious laugh, etc.
Post by: Martyn Smith on October 01, 2023, 11:01:27 AM
Post by: Martyn Smith on October 01, 2023, 11:10:48 AM
Post by: Martyn Smith on October 01, 2023, 11:12:54 AM
A 7 goal game between 2 top six sides is third in MOTD. There is nothing that would push Man City & Liverpool down the running order is there?
I was surprised we were ahead of Man U - Palace tbh...
Post by: maidstonevillain on October 01, 2023, 11:19:09 AM
Post by: Rigadon on October 01, 2023, 11:23:56 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 01, 2023, 11:26:44 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 01, 2023, 11:31:25 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on October 01, 2023, 11:39:48 AM
Richards yelling about Matt Dawson. Does he not realise how microphones work?...
But he's a bloody bloke, top bants, love his infectious laugh, etc.
I'd prefer to dip my balls in dry ice than listen to that awful man. Top ******, more like 😂
I bet he's friends with Joe.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 01, 2023, 12:09:34 PM
It wasn’t as bad as the sky highlights. I don’t know whether they retrofitted a recording but most of the time there was no commentary and when it did happen it was incredibly flat.
Oh thanks, I thought there was something wrong with my phone.
Post by: VillaTim on October 01, 2023, 12:13:26 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 01, 2023, 12:19:15 PM
Micah Richards tries to turn everything into a joke . Then laughs at it like a hyena . Terrible pundit.total wanker and very sad individual.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 01, 2023, 12:35:31 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on October 01, 2023, 12:37:53 PM
Richards is terrible.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 01, 2023, 12:38:00 PM
Micah Richards tries to turn everything into a joke . Then laughs at it like a hyena . Terrible pundit.total wanker and very sad individual.
Who are you talking about here?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 01, 2023, 12:59:37 PM
Post by: Rigadon on October 01, 2023, 02:45:37 PM
Check this out if your eyes can stand it:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/oct/01/ange-postecoglous-charisma-and-risk-taking-have-tottenham-dreaming
They narrowly and undeservedly beat 9 man Liverpool at home.
Post by: Rigadon on October 01, 2023, 02:48:48 PM
Post by: Mellin on October 01, 2023, 03:10:08 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 01, 2023, 03:15:56 PM
Wilson been dismissive of us all season. Not sure how five wins and two losses at St James' and Anfield is inconsistent, but whatever. Fuck him. Villa are coming.
Wilson the Wingnut is a bellend who doesn't seem to rate Emery in particular, maybe because he doesn't wear trainers.
Post by: Rigadon on October 01, 2023, 03:17:31 PM
I will love it when we finish above Brighton and Spurs. And Saudi Arabia.
Post by: KevinGage on October 01, 2023, 03:20:53 PM
Only right that Wilson follows suit.
I'll be more worried when these wankers start backing us.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 01, 2023, 03:32:26 PM
Post by: Rigadon on October 01, 2023, 03:35:14 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 01, 2023, 05:00:58 PM
Emery is a bit of a nerd (respectfully) who says the same thing every time he's asked a question. He's not marketable, he's not talking about the Fonz or doing sweary rants at his teams that go viral. He was poorly treated by the media last time he was in England, and he doesn't seem to be someone who naturally would want that attention anyway. As a manager he's amazing, providing weekly content for the 24 hour news feed, not so much.
People inside the football world are always more aware of what's going on than we might give them credit for. Come January we'll have had Emery for over a year, be halfway through our first full season with him, be challenging at the top end of the table, and still be in Europe (hopefully!) Any targets we have will be aware, or be made aware, of what we're doing, and they won't need MOTD or any other pundits to be doing that job for them.
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 01, 2023, 05:05:55 PM
Post by: Rigadon on October 01, 2023, 05:28:25 PM
I’m trying to think of an alternative, and it’s (a bit) before my time, but I imagine 1981 Ipswich are a bit like 2023 Brighton. We are always between two stalls. Plucky contenders for 8th or relegation candidates. Neither shoe fits, and neither should it. Everton, Spurs, Newcastle, Arsenal, Man City, Man Utd. All played in the (modern day) champions league.
Anyway, brilliant win yesterday. Onto midweek and then the orange filth on the weekend.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 01, 2023, 05:34:46 PM
Post by: Dave on October 01, 2023, 05:37:55 PM
References to the ‘big 8’ are becoming more common. Vincent Kompany said it the other day.
Still not sure which eight teams they'd be talking about.
Post by: AV82EC on October 01, 2023, 05:39:02 PM
References to the ‘big 8’ are becoming more common. Vincent Kompany said it the other day.
Still not sure which eight teams they'd be talking about.
Usuals plus us and Newcastle
Post by: AV84 on October 01, 2023, 05:43:23 PM
Man U
Arsenal
Liverpool
Villa
Brighton
Spurs
Newcastle
Must be those, right, we're not still including Chelsea, are we?
Post by: Martyn Smith on October 01, 2023, 05:54:44 PM
Postacoglu plays the game, he's a bit of a character, gives them the soundbites and click baity headlines they need. The results are going his way at the moment too which gives them another narrative to push, alongside the "life after Kane" angle.
Emery is a bit of a nerd (respectfully) who says the same thing every time he's asked a question. He's not marketable, he's not talking about the Fonz or doing sweary rants at his teams that go viral. He was poorly treated by the media last time he was in England, and he doesn't seem to be someone who naturally would want that attention anyway. As a manager he's amazing, providing weekly content for the 24 hour news feed, not so much.
People inside the football world are always more aware of what's going on than we might give them credit for. Come January we'll have had Emery for over a year, be halfway through our first full season with him, be challenging at the top end of the table, and still be in Europe (hopefully!) Any targets we have will be aware, or be made aware, of what we're doing, and they won't need MOTD or any other pundits to be doing that job for them.
I notice UE has a nervous habit of rubbing his left cheek at media interviews. He is not an attention seeker and indeed seems to be specifically uncomfortable with it
Post by: Dave on October 01, 2023, 05:57:06 PM
References to the ‘big 8’ are becoming more common. Vincent Kompany said it the other day.
Still not sure which eight teams they'd be talking about.
Usuals plus us and Newcastle
Why us and not Brighton? Or why not us and Brighton and leave Chelsea out?
Post by: KevinGage on October 01, 2023, 06:03:32 PM
Postacoglu plays the game, he's a bit of a character, gives them the soundbites and click baity headlines they need. The results are going his way at the moment too which gives them another narrative to push, alongside the "life after Kane" angle.
Emery is a bit of a nerd (respectfully) who says the same thing every time he's asked a question. He's not marketable, he's not talking about the Fonz or doing sweary rants at his teams that go viral. He was poorly treated by the media last time he was in England, and he doesn't seem to be someone who naturally would want that attention anyway. As a manager he's amazing, providing weekly content for the 24 hour news feed, not so much.
People inside the football world are always more aware of what's going on than we might give them credit for. Come January we'll have had Emery for over a year, be halfway through our first full season with him, be challenging at the top end of the table, and still be in Europe (hopefully!) Any targets we have will be aware, or be made aware, of what we're doing, and they won't need MOTD or any other pundits to be doing that job for them.
I notice UE has a nervous habit of rubbing his left cheek at media interviews. He is not an attention seeker and indeed seems to be specifically uncomfortable with it
Which works for us. As I don't think the sides currently aboue us or Chelsea will ever see him as an option.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 01, 2023, 08:09:59 PM
Understandable Liverpool was first game, given the controversy and the late goal.
I thought the same. Thought our game should have been third with Luton beating Everton second, but Wolves inflicting Citeh's first defeat of the season was also a big result. Really not that bothered about our place in the running order if the length of highlights and analysis is comparable.
Post by: Risso on October 01, 2023, 08:19:17 PM
Postacoglu plays the game, he's a bit of a character, gives them the soundbites and click baity headlines they need. The results are going his way at the moment too which gives them another narrative to push, alongside the "life after Kane" angle.
Emery is a bit of a nerd (respectfully) who says the same thing every time he's asked a question. He's not marketable, he's not talking about the Fonz or doing sweary rants at his teams that go viral. He was poorly treated by the media last time he was in England, and he doesn't seem to be someone who naturally would want that attention anyway. As a manager he's amazing, providing weekly content for the 24 hour news feed, not so much.
People inside the football world are always more aware of what's going on than we might give them credit for. Come January we'll have had Emery for over a year, be halfway through our first full season with him, be challenging at the top end of the table, and still be in Europe (hopefully!) Any targets we have will be aware, or be made aware, of what we're doing, and they won't need MOTD or any other pundits to be doing that job for them.
Great post.
Very noticeable that apart from a couple of claps towards the fans on Saturday, Unail did what he always does and headed straight down the tunnel. No time for the limelight and making a fuss.
Post by: Dave on October 01, 2023, 08:21:30 PM
Understandable Liverpool was first game, given the controversy and the late goal.
I thought the same. Thought our game should have been third with Luton beating Everton second, but Wolves inflicting Citeh's first defeat of the season was also a big result. Really not that bothered about our place in the running order if the length of highlights and analysis is comparable.
Same. Spurs - Liverpool was the obvious first pick. It would have been daft to choose anything else.
Wolves, us and Luton were in with a shout to be next. I'd probably have done it in the same order had I been producing, with Wolves ahead of us on account of it not being on TV.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 01, 2023, 08:40:15 PM
Understandable Liverpool was first game, given the controversy and the late goal.
I thought the same. Thought our game should have been third with Luton beating Everton second, but Wolves inflicting Citeh's first defeat of the season was also a big result. Really not that bothered about our place in the running order if the length of highlights and analysis is comparable.
Same. Spurs - Liverpool was the obvious first pick. It would have been daft to choose anything else.
Wolves, us and Luton were in with a shout to be next. I'd probably have done it in the same order had I been producing, with Wolves ahead of us on account of it not being on TV.
Although that hasn't stopped them before. They showed the Blades - Newcastle game early on even though it had "just been on TV" the other week.
Post by: Dave on October 01, 2023, 08:51:13 PM
Understandable Liverpool was first game, given the controversy and the late goal.
I thought the same. Thought our game should have been third with Luton beating Everton second, but Wolves inflicting Citeh's first defeat of the season was also a big result. Really not that bothered about our place in the running order if the length of highlights and analysis is comparable.
Same. Spurs - Liverpool was the obvious first pick. It would have been daft to choose anything else.
Wolves, us and Luton were in with a shout to be next. I'd probably have done it in the same order had I been producing, with Wolves ahead of us on account of it not being on TV.
Although that hasn't stopped them before. They showed the Blades - Newcastle game early on even though it had "just been on TV" the other week.
They showed us "early on" yesterday. Just not first or second. It's not an exact science - there are loads of factors that go into it. If we'd been ahead of Wolves, that would have been understandable. If they'd done Luton ahead of us, so would that.
Put it this way, if it had finished Wolves 1-2 Man City, that game would probably have been fifth in the running order. But it wasn't.
Post by: AV84 on October 01, 2023, 09:43:15 PM
Post by: VillaTim on October 01, 2023, 11:25:51 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on October 01, 2023, 11:40:11 PM
Post by: not3bad on October 02, 2023, 12:54:13 AM
I caught a bit of Talksport earlier and Max Rushden was on (I honestly have seen.the appeal of him, just seems like a very average presenter who has managed to land on his feet a few times). He was saying something along the lines of us being an average sort of team and "if you are a good side you beat Villa and if you are a bad side you lose to them".
So Brighton are a bad side then. Blimey. And so are Crystal Palace.
Post by: Monty on October 02, 2023, 12:56:06 AM
Post by: sid1964 on October 02, 2023, 06:16:16 AM
If one of the BIG 6 had beaten Brighton 6-1 SKY sports would have still been showing all the goals on repeat for the next week!
We get no credit at all.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 02, 2023, 07:31:45 AM
Post by: Mellin on October 02, 2023, 07:38:50 AM
Post by: Ian. on October 02, 2023, 07:57:08 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 02, 2023, 08:13:52 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 02, 2023, 08:25:31 AM
We sound like a fat neighbour who never gets invited to barbecues.
Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 08:29:46 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 02, 2023, 08:35:57 AM
Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 08:38:32 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 02, 2023, 08:38:45 AM
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2023, 08:59:53 AM
Just listened to the Totally Football Show and they got it spot on, all about the aggression of the press. That is absolutely what has been missing when we’ve had our underwhelming displays this season.
Yep, I said a week or 2 back the thing with this team right now is that when we're 100% we can can beat anyone but if we go into a game at 90% nothing quite works and I don't think it's just down to the team we put out.
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 02, 2023, 09:02:52 AM
They consider Spurs to be more interesting than us. I assume that's backed by data/viewing figures. And that Liverpool result got loads of coverage, and we got loads of 'credit'. I don't know what people constantly in the hunt for us to be given 'credit' are hoping to feel when we're given 'credit', but whatever it is, it won't make them happy.
A brummie 2nd city, need for affirmation thang
Post by: Risso on October 02, 2023, 09:27:57 AM
Just listened to the Totally Football Show and they got it spot on, all about the aggression of the press. That is absolutely what has been missing when we’ve had our underwhelming displays this season.
Yep, I said a week or 2 back the thing with this team right now is that when we're 100% we can can beat anyone but if we go into a game at 90% nothing quite works and I don't think it's just down to the team we put out.
I think if it was a collective 90% we'd be OK, but in the games where we've been poor, we've had the likes of Kamara at about 50% I reckon, and even Ollie and SJM at 75%. We just can't afford key individuals to be having a 'mare.
Post by: Dave on October 02, 2023, 09:43:49 AM
We just can't afford key individuals to be having a 'mare.
That's also true to some extent for everyone else in the league apart from arguably Man City, no?
And give Rodri and Haaland an off-day and even they're pretty fallible too.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 02, 2023, 09:45:31 AM
Of course, the anomaly in all this is Tottenham.
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2023, 09:47:18 AM
We just can't afford key individuals to be having a 'mare.
That's also true to some extent for everyone else in the league apart from arguably Man City, no?
And give Rodri and Haaland an off-day and even they're pretty fallible too.
Saturday showed clear as day how important Rodri is to them, I think he's the key player in their squad now, the alternatives to him are miles off his standard, I think it's nearly as big a gap in quality as us going from Emi to Olsen.
Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 10:15:06 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 02, 2023, 10:19:33 AM
I don't much care regarding the general coverage, it's just the Spurs stuff I find amusing.
Spurs, a club who have only won the title twice, and the last time was closer to the reign of Queen Victoria than to today.
The general media love around them is laughable, were they not in London, they wouldn't get half of it.
Arsenal fans are a strange mix of hideous Tarquins and YouTube cringe-merchants, but at least they can point to a mountain of silverware to back it up a bit.
Post by: chrisw1 on October 02, 2023, 10:36:00 AM
They consider Spurs to be more interesting than us. I assume that's backed by data/viewing figures. And that Liverpool result got loads of coverage, and we got loads of 'credit'. I don't know what people constantly in the hunt for us to be given 'credit' are hoping to feel when we're given 'credit', but whatever it is, it won't make them happy.Agree. The truth is our game was so one-sided it actually became less interesting to the neutral. The Wolves result was a huge upset so that was always going to be high up the order. And Spurs v Liverpool is always going to be shown ahead of Villa v Brighton because of the wider interest worldwide, not just in the London media. The extra controversy makes it even more so.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 02, 2023, 10:50:13 AM
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2023, 11:06:44 AM
Yeah, Rodri is stupidly good, he's flawless
The guy is a complete arse but also probably the best DM of all time.
Post by: Risso on October 02, 2023, 11:09:17 AM
Yeah, Rodri is stupidly good, he's flawless
The guy is a complete arse but also probably the best DM of all time.
Better than Gavin McCann?! David O'Leary was righ.....
Post by: Dave on October 02, 2023, 11:15:21 AM
Last Sunday there was five matches on Sunday, (admittedly not Manure or Citeh playing). They decided the 8-0 match which had only been shown live a few hours earlier needed top billing. So the arguments for matches being one sided or being live on TV not being first match shown doesn't wash as if they want to show it first, they will.
Obviously. There's no rules about what they can and can't show in what order. In Saturday's case, they decided that there were two stories more interesting than us tonking Brighton. Which is fair enough.
They decided that us tonking Brighton was a more interesting story than five others. Which is also fair enough.
Post by: Monty on October 02, 2023, 11:18:14 AM
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2023, 11:20:00 AM
I think Man City losing and a Spurs-Liverpool game with a totally mad refereeing ballsup are legitimate main-eventers. We were considered more important than Man Utd. That's fine with me.
Saturday actually saw both Manchester and both Liverpool clubs lose. I reckon that can't have happened often and I'm surprised there wasn't a bit more made of it.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 02, 2023, 11:30:04 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 02, 2023, 11:32:01 AM
I think Man City losing and a Spurs-Liverpool game with a totally mad refereeing ballsup are legitimate main-eventers. We were considered more important than Man Utd. That's fine with me.
Saturday actually saw both Manchester and both Liverpool clubs lose. I reckon that can't have happened often and I'm surprised there wasn't a bit more made of it.
File under empty seats (Ma Lord)at the Tory Conference yesterday, zero coverage of the Rejoin march last week etc etc.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 02, 2023, 11:32:49 AM
Post by: olaftab on October 02, 2023, 12:00:14 PM
I saw a stat that it was the first time Man City and Man Utd both lost at 3pm on a Saturday since Spetember 2013. We beat Man City 3-2 that day.Just incase people don't remember. I still shudder thinking Andi had run off too early to celebrate instead of making sure!
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Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 12:10:08 PM
I saw a stat that it was the first time Man City and Man Utd both lost at 3pm on a Saturday since Spetember 2013. We beat Man City 3-2 that day.Just incase people don't remember. I still shudder thinking Andi had run off too early to celebrate instead of making sure!
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Me and my mate were finishing up our half time pints in the David Targett suite and about to bugger off home when El Ahmadi scored, the first half of that game had been like practice match for them and Yaya Toure had probably had twice as many touches of the ball as our team put together.
Post by: Simon Page on October 02, 2023, 12:12:27 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 02, 2023, 12:16:05 PM
On that just listening to talkshite and some Villa fan complained that we’d won 6-1 and they’d hardly mentioned us. Jim White then gave us a minute in which Stuart Pearce said we did well but it was never a 6-1 game. Oh please do go and get feck off
Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 12:22:48 PM
Amid the civil war over the corporatisation of the Villa, it's worth remembering we have a section of the ground named in honour of Doug Ellis's doctor.
Not really into the media conspiracy thing too much, I just think lazy journalism a lot of the time.
On that just listening to talkshite and some Villa fan complained that we’d won 6-1 and they’d hardly mentioned us. Jim White then gave us a minute in which Stuart Pearce said we did well but it was never a 6-1 game. Oh please do go and get feck off
Pearce is a twat, his level of scrutiny of the performance tells you all you need to know about his management skills.
My wife, who is a Villa fan but not invested in the same way we are on here, text me during the game on Saturday unprompted to tell me Talksport were gutted at the score, it was all Brighton apparently and VAR is our friend.
"So Villa 6 Brighton 1. Come on Spurs fans, Arsenal fans, we want to hear your thoughts"
Post by: rob_bridge on October 02, 2023, 12:28:45 PM
Amid the civil war over the corporatisation of the Villa, it's worth remembering we have a section of the ground named in honour of Doug Ellis's doctor.Not really into the media conspiracy thing too much, I just think lazy journalism a lot of the time.
On that just listening to talkshite and some Villa fan complained that we’d won 6-1 and they’d hardly mentioned us. Jim White then gave us a minute in which Stuart Pearce said we did well but it was never a 6-1 game. Oh please do go and get feck off
Pearce is a twat, his level of scrutiny of the performance tells you all you need to know about his management skills.
My wife, who is a Villa fan but not invested in the same way we are on here, text me during the game on Saturday unprompted to tell me Talksport were gutted at the score, it was all Brighton apparently and VAR is our friend.
"So Villa 6 Brighton 1. Come on Spurs fans, Arsenal fans, we want to hear your thoughts"
Beeb 5 Live couldn't hand back to the Golf quick enough after each Villa goal update. It was like speed speaking competition. Olwtks scored 3 for us
Post by: paul_e on October 02, 2023, 12:30:56 PM
Not really into the media conspiracy thing too much, I just think lazy journalism a lot of the time.
On that just listening to talkshite and some Villa fan complained that we’d won 6-1 and they’d hardly mentioned us. Jim White then gave us a minute in which Stuart Pearce said we did well but it was never a 6-1 game. Oh please do go and get feck off
This is the thing for me, I don't think it's a conspiracy as such but if we give someone a dicking it's usually reported as the opposition having a bad day, I don't care where we are on MOTD or how many times we get shown on sky, etc but I do long for the day when we smash the shit out of someone like Man U and all the press agree it was because we were really fucking good. What's really odd is that in other countries we get a much fairer review of how we've played.
Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 12:35:52 PM
Not really into the media conspiracy thing too much, I just think lazy journalism a lot of the time.
On that just listening to talkshite and some Villa fan complained that we’d won 6-1 and they’d hardly mentioned us. Jim White then gave us a minute in which Stuart Pearce said we did well but it was never a 6-1 game. Oh please do go and get feck off
This is the thing for me, I don't think it's a conspiracy as such but if we give someone a dicking it's usually reported as the opposition having a bad day, I don't care where we are on MOTD or how many times we get shown on sky, etc but I do long for the day when we smash the shit out of someone like Man U and all the press agree it was because we were really fucking good. What's really odd is that in other countries we get a much fairer review of how we've played.
It's this, we are gaslighted.
It's the same being a Brummie, and it's systemic in this country. And please don't tell me I'm imagining it all because that's exactly what I bloody mean!
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 02, 2023, 12:42:48 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 02, 2023, 01:10:30 PM
Not really into the media conspiracy thing too much, I just think lazy journalism a lot of the time.
On that just listening to talkshite and some Villa fan complained that we’d won 6-1 and they’d hardly mentioned us. Jim White then gave us a minute in which Stuart Pearce said we did well but it was never a 6-1 game. Oh please do go and get feck off
This is the thing for me, I don't think it's a conspiracy as such but if we give someone a dicking it's usually reported as the opposition having a bad day, I don't care where we are on MOTD or how many times we get shown on sky, etc but I do long for the day when we smash the shit out of someone like Man U and all the press agree it was because we were really fucking good. What's really odd is that in other countries we get a much fairer review of how we've played.
Yes agree Paul.
It was interesting to me that when we went 4-1 up, there was almost a weird atmosphere for 10 or so mins, not apathy amongst the supporters but almost a feeling like yea this is what we do, we dismantle teams (not 6-1 every week obviously), this is the norm.
The media really haven’t cottoned onto this yet. Im not getting carried away as there have been some poor performances this season, but if our 2023 form continues all season, we’ll be top 3 or 4 without a problem and the current ignorance in the media means they won’t be able to fathom it.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 02, 2023, 01:38:50 PM
Post by: Risso on October 02, 2023, 01:42:32 PM
Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
Disagree, some of their programmes are quite good, it depends entirely on the presenters. Laura Woods used to be really good in the morning, and I like Hawksbee and Jacobs in the afternoon. I can listen to White and Jordan, but most of the rest of it is pretty bad, especially Jamie O'Hara and Jason Cundy, who are a pair of absolute bellends.
Post by: LeeB on October 02, 2023, 01:43:15 PM
Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
It's basically The S*n in radio form.
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 02, 2023, 02:19:00 PM
Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
Disagree, some of their programmes are quite good, it depends entirely on the presenters. Laura Woods used to be really good in the morning, and I like Hawksbee and Jacobs in the afternoon. I can listen to White and Jordan, but most of the rest of it is pretty bad, especially Jamie O'Hara and Jason Cundy, who are a pair of absolute bellends.
Yea Laura Woods was excellent and as you say Hawksbee and Jacobs are good, lots of the other stuff, especially many of the ex pro’s are appalling.
Danny Kelly, who is generally ok, do a weekend round up, started to say how brilliantly Villa have done under Emery, when he kind of talked over by the other presenters and it was ‘Brighton had a bad day, Villa’s second shouldn’t of counted, Brighton had 4 games in 10 days’ etc….didnt we have the same amount of games? A lot of old shite
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 02, 2023, 02:20:52 PM
Post by: Smithy on October 03, 2023, 08:58:58 AM
Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
Disagree, some of their programmes are quite good, it depends entirely on the presenters. Laura Woods used to be really good in the morning, and I like Hawksbee and Jacobs in the afternoon. I can listen to White and Jordan, but most of the rest of it is pretty bad, especially Jamie O'Hara and Jason Cundy, who are a pair of absolute bellends.
A couple of Thursday's ago I played five-a-side in the evening, and had to take my missus' fifteen-year-old Audi A3 with a crap radio. On the way home, I let the radio scan to find whatever it could, and it found TalkSport - the first time I've listened in, well, I've no idea, but MANY years. It was these two talking about Brighton losing to AEK Athens earlier in the evening, and it was abysmal. The sort of stuff you'd hear in the playground. Bellends is being VERY kind to them. They were absolutely REVELLING in Brighton's defeat, clearly designed to rile up the Brighton fans - I'm assuming to get them to call in? Maybe one of them has a big anti-Brighton bias, I've no idea, but you wouldn't ever listen to something like that if you wanted to listen to a genuine footballing discussion, or, god-forbid, to actually "learn" something. It made Soccer AM sound like a Mensa meeting.
I listened for about five minutes and then turned it off. I have no plans to ever listen again. The only time I see any Talksport content is when the odd clip goes viral on social media.
Post by: TaxDodger on October 03, 2023, 11:23:44 AM
He also describes what's happening at Villa as being 'mildly exciting'.
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 03, 2023, 11:32:30 AM
Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
Disagree, some of their programmes are quite good, it depends entirely on the presenters. Laura Woods used to be really good in the morning, and I like Hawksbee and Jacobs in the afternoon. I can listen to White and Jordan, but most of the rest of it is pretty bad, especially Jamie O'Hara and Jason Cundy, who are a pair of absolute bellends.
10 YEARS of Rushden and Glendenning on a Sunday attempting to build up the games that day. Max Rushden dosen't even hide how inane the drivel he's putting out is. Barry Glendenning a sports journalist at the Guardian who dosen't even know half the fixtures that day, guess some find it hilarious.
I do like the new programme though with Shaun Custis and Henry Winter. It's a shame they don't swop it and put that on at 11am instead but guess Henry Winter covers the big Sunday games so needs time to get to them if they're outside London.
Have to say I don't really care if the mainstream media aren't hyping us up too much. In last 20 years when we have started to be bigged up that's when it usually starts to fall apart e.g. all the praise we were getting before the FA cup final. And also how well we'd signed after Grealish left.
I also think it's a bit of a hangover from pretty much everyone in the press slaughtering Emery after he left Arsenal so some don't want to lose face on that.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 03, 2023, 11:36:38 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 03, 2023, 11:41:41 AM
Max Rushden is one of the few people in football media who refuses to play the game that insists football is IMPORTANT and HUGE and results are DEVASTATING. He knows it's all just a bit of a lark and treats it accordingly. I like him a lot.
Never had you down as a jester hat wearing Villa fan on Soccer AM Sexual...(wink).
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 03, 2023, 11:45:56 AM
Post by: olaftab on October 03, 2023, 11:55:18 AM
Post by: Risso on October 03, 2023, 12:09:43 PM
Post by: Bully2345 on October 03, 2023, 12:14:12 PM
Post by: dave shelley on October 03, 2023, 12:47:22 PM
Post by: eamonn on October 03, 2023, 02:13:42 PM
- Claimed that our success under Emery was based on a tight defence and Brighton's was built on goalscoring
- Twice said that our next game is away in Bosnia this week (despite a helpful graphic popping-up on screen advertising their coverage of the game live from VP)
- That it was JJ Ramsey's first appearance of the season
- Inferring that Ollie Watkins was in the form of his life
They're all easy/unimportant things for a broadcaster to forget, and in fairness they have to remember a lot of stats. But it was interesting, seeing how we're viewed in a neutral and professional capacity.
Post by: paul_e on October 03, 2023, 03:14:42 PM
There were a fair amount of Villa "fake news" howlers by yer' man Fletcher on BT/"TNT- Explosive" commentary on Saturday:
- Claimed that our success under Emery was based on a tight defence and Brighton's was built on goalscoring
- Twice said that our next game is away in Bosnia this week (despite a helpful graphic popping-up on screen advertising their coverage of the game live from VP)
- That it was JJ Ramsey's first appearance of the season
- Inferring that Ollie Watkins was in the form of his life
They're all easy/unimportant things for a broadcaster to forget, and in fairness they have to remember a lot of stats. But it was interesting, seeing how we're viewed in a neutral and professional capacity.
I don't think that last line (well the start of it) reflects how poor that second error is guiven he was commentating on TNT and talking about a game to be aired on TNT later in the week, I could forgive all the rest but that one is just incompetence.
Post by: lovejoy on October 03, 2023, 03:32:17 PM
I wonder if that know-nothing twat Crooks ever wonders himself why he never gets asked his opinion on any other footballing platform. If he is, I've never seen, read or heard it.
i wonder if he is more self aware than we give him credit for and actually plays up to the Ron Pundit persona. His chat about villa may be going places is at best a lift from the pre season previews.
Post by: LeeB on October 03, 2023, 04:08:30 PM
I wonder if that know-nothing twat Crooks ever wonders himself why he never gets asked his opinion on any other footballing platform. If he is, I've never seen, read or heard it.
i wonder if he is more self aware than we give him credit for and actually plays up to the Ron Pundit persona. His chat about villa may be going places is at best a lift from the pre season previews.
Maybe, but I've never seen an appearance on TV where he hasn't given off exactly the same vibe. I don't think the Stoke accent helps.
Post by: olaftab on October 03, 2023, 04:31:22 PM
I wonder if that know-nothing twat Crooks ever wonders himself why he never gets asked his opinion on any other footballing platform. If he is, I've never seen, read or heard it.I think he is single handedly destroying the case for positive discrimination.
Post by: danno on October 03, 2023, 04:37:36 PM
Pearce is a twat, his level of scrutiny of the performance tells you all you need to know about his management skills.
He commentated* on the game Saturday and predicted a Brighton 4-3 win at 3-1. It was also left to his colleague to point out that if you concede five you probably don’t deserve to win. Then we scored again.
* I use the term generously
Post by: Lucky Eddie on October 03, 2023, 04:46:49 PM
I wonder if that know-nothing twat Crooks ever wonders himself why he never gets asked his opinion on any other footballing platform. If he is, I've never seen, read or heard it.I think he is single handedly destroying the case for positive discrimination.
😆
He sure is one self assured arrogant c unt .
Post by: BC Villain on October 03, 2023, 09:20:00 PM
Talksport stands apart in terms of low quality programming. They are always dreadful and not worth listening to.
Disagree, some of their programmes are quite good, it depends entirely on the presenters. Laura Woods used to be really good in the morning, and I like Hawksbee and Jacobs in the afternoon. I can listen to White and Jordan, but most of the rest of it is pretty bad, especially Jamie O'Hara and Jason Cundy, who are a pair of absolute bellends.
A couple of Thursday's ago I played five-a-side in the evening, and had to take my missus' fifteen-year-old Audi A3 with a crap radio. On the way home, I let the radio scan to find whatever it could, and it found TalkSport - the first time I've listened in, well, I've no idea, but MANY years. It was these two talking about Brighton losing to AEK Athens earlier in the evening, and it was abysmal. The sort of stuff you'd hear in the playground. Bellends is being VERY kind to them. They were absolutely REVELLING in Brighton's defeat, clearly designed to rile up the Brighton fans - I'm assuming to get them to call in? Maybe one of them has a big anti-Brighton bias, I've no idea, but you wouldn't ever listen to something like that if you wanted to listen to a genuine footballing discussion, or, god-forbid, to actually "learn" something. It made Soccer AM sound like a Mensa meeting.
I listened for about five minutes and then turned it off. I have no plans to ever listen again. The only time I see any Talksport content is when the odd clip goes viral on social media.
Was it Cundy doing that bloody stupid "has anyone seen"....before proceeding to take the piss out of the team who've lost?
As for O'Hara? Wasn't even a decent fucking player...
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 03, 2023, 09:54:51 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 04, 2023, 04:15:26 PM
What gets me is these footballers like Gabby , Cundy Ohara are getting these presenter jobs that really should be for journalists , media experienced people. Half of them can’t string a sentence and just trade off their name
Yeah, like that Statman off the other thread. I think I’d much rather see him analysing on MOTD that that guffawing clown Richards or his mate Shearer.
Post by: Bully2345 on October 04, 2023, 04:20:19 PM
What gets me is these footballers like Gabby , Cundy Ohara are getting these presenter jobs that really should be for journalists , media experienced people. Half of them can’t string a sentence and just trade off their name
Yeah, like that Statman off the other thread. I think I’d much rather see him analysing on MOTD that that guffawing clown Richards or his mate Shearer.
Statman is very good and is used on Radio 5 live where he has the space to breathe. His content is very detailed and a bit niche for MOTD though where you only really have 90 seconds to say anything about the game.
Post by: Rigadon on October 04, 2023, 06:51:47 PM
That 'Statman' thing up the thread a bit is quite good too. I'd love to know if the stuff Emery works on with the players is 'just' that detailed or is another level up again.
Post by: chrisw1 on October 04, 2023, 07:25:59 PM
I think the punditry is mostly pretty good in the short time they have and they'll usually try to find something interesting in their analysis. I even find myself agreeing with Danny Murphy more often than not and he's more reasonable than he gets credit for.
Finally, I think the chemistry between the presenters is entertaining and Linekar is an excellent host. Sometimes it's be careful what you wish for as it could be a lot worse.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 04, 2023, 10:53:02 PM
Post by: Risso on October 05, 2023, 09:50:47 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 05, 2023, 10:02:11 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 05, 2023, 05:52:21 PM
I like MOTD too. Most football fans have a 'no one likes us' attitude, even the Sky darlings always think there's a conspiracy. I don't think there's any bias against us whatsoever in the punditry, it's just as a club for the last 20 years we haven't been as interesting as we think we are and the coverage reflects that.
I think the punditry is mostly pretty good in the short time they have and they'll usually try to find something interesting in their analysis. I even find myself agreeing with Danny Murphy more often than not and he's more reasonable than he gets credit for.
Finally, I think the chemistry between the presenters is entertaining and Linekar is an excellent host. Sometimes it's be careful what you wish for as it could be a lot worse.
I think this is the single most reasonable post I've read on here.
Boooooooooooooooooo!
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 09, 2023, 01:54:13 AM
Went on their website after Thursday's game to read their report. Oops! There wasn't one. Every other English team playing in Europe that night had one.
Did the same after the Wolves game. Four PL games on Sunday. Guess which one the Graun missed out on?
Perhaps they've forgotten that we exist.
Post by: andyh on October 09, 2023, 02:41:24 AM
I like MOTD too. Most football fans have a 'no one likes us' attitude, even the Sky darlings always think there's a conspiracy. I don't think there's any bias against us whatsoever in the punditry, it's just as a club for the last 20 years we haven't been as interesting as we think we are and the coverage reflects that.Bloody hell, I agree with every word here.
I think the punditry is mostly pretty good in the short time they have and they'll usually try to find something interesting in their analysis. I even find myself agreeing with Danny Murphy more often than not and he's more reasonable than he gets credit for.
Finally, I think the chemistry between the presenters is entertaining and Linekar is an excellent host. Sometimes it's be careful what you wish for as it could be a lot worse.
Post by: malckennedy on October 09, 2023, 07:39:01 AM
If you're looking for media bias, try the Grauniad.
Went on their website after Thursday's game to read their report. Oops! There wasn't one. Every other English team playing in Europe that night had one.
Did the same after the Wolves game. Four PL games on Sunday. Guess which one the Graun missed out on?
Perhaps they've forgotten that we exist.
I read the Guardian’s report on the Wolves match last evening.
Post by: Dave on October 09, 2023, 09:28:26 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 09, 2023, 09:37:26 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on October 09, 2023, 09:45:13 AM
If you're looking for media bias, try the Grauniad.
Went on their website after Thursday's game to read their report. Oops! There wasn't one. Every other English team playing in Europe that night had one.
Did the same after the Wolves game. Four PL games on Sunday. Guess which one the Graun missed out on?
Perhaps they've forgotten that we exist.
Last spring they had Live Score updates SF stage of Euro Comps Europa and Conf and didn't have the latter which Hammers were playing in. It is really poor - you can't tell who has been substituted off on their summary.
I read the Guardian’s report on the Wolves match last evening.
Post by: LeeB on October 09, 2023, 09:53:27 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on October 09, 2023, 09:55:13 AM
Danny Murphy does get a fair bit of stick in these parts, some of it justified most of it not. In his Watkins’ analysis last night he stated he had a great game. He hadn’t seen it had he?
He saw the highlights of the early shot that was well saved, the assist, the push chance and the late finish onto the post. He wouldn't have seen the mis-controls or other things for the full 90 that pretty much every player does.
Post by: Dave on October 09, 2023, 09:58:44 AM
You get more in depth reporting in the Guardian if you're a fan of Barca or Real Madrid than most English teams.
I imagine you can substitute the Guardian there with the name of pretty much every media outlet.
Post by: AV84 on October 09, 2023, 09:58:46 AM
Danny Murphy does get a fair bit of stick in these parts, some of it justified most of it not. In his Watkins’ analysis last night he stated he had a great game. He hadn’t seen it had he?
I saw a fair few things during the week where it looked like people decided they wanted to talk about Villa off the back of the Brighton game. Problem for them was that we reveted to the off week setting and didn't fit their preplanned analysis.
Post by: Risso on October 09, 2023, 10:08:37 AM
Post by: saunders_heroes on October 09, 2023, 10:14:24 AM
You get more in depth reporting in the Guardian if you're a fan of Barca or Real Madrid than most English teams.
I've never got the attraction of fans here being so interested in the likes of Madrid and Barcelona etc. I couldn't give a flying shite about any European club and their comings and goings. I'd have more interest in the Championship than the German, Spanish leagues etc.
Post by: LeeB on October 09, 2023, 10:21:15 AM
You get more in depth reporting in the Guardian if you're a fan of Barca or Real Madrid than most English teams.
I've never got the attraction of fans here being so interested in the likes of Madrid and Barcelona etc. I couldn't give a flying shite about any European club and their comings and goings. I'd have more interest in the Championship than the German, Spanish leagues etc.
I know, but it suits the hipster, cereal cafe, unicycling types it seems.
Post by: algy on October 09, 2023, 10:22:41 AM
Me too. I used to love - and still love - the results & tables page in the newspaper. I'll spend ages poring over every inch of it, looking at scores, attendances, goalscorers ... everything really, from the top division down to as far down as it goes. I loved it when we were going through New Street after a game (either cos we'd played away or were going to visit my grandparents after) cos it meant we'd get a copy of the Argus and I could take great interest in the results & league tables of the Festival League and whatnot. Likewise with the Scottish & Welsh leagues, I love checking up on how teams are doing in the Scottish 3rd Division, what their attendances are like, etc etc.You get more in depth reporting in the Guardian if you're a fan of Barca or Real Madrid than most English teams.
I've never got the attraction of fans here being so interested in the likes of Madrid and Barcelona etc. I couldn't give a flying shite about any European club and their comings and goings. I'd have more interest in the Championship than the German, Spanish leagues etc.
Still do the same when I visit my parents, they get the local paper (Mid Wales Journal) every week - I spend any visit intensively reading up on developments in the Mid Wales League (South) and soforth.
But anything off this island? It can get to fuck. I've no interest whatsoever in what happens in football abroad outside of a World Cup or European Championships.
Post by: Dave on October 09, 2023, 10:29:06 AM
You get more in depth reporting in the Guardian if you're a fan of Barca or Real Madrid than most English teams.
I've never got the attraction of fans here being so interested in the likes of Madrid and Barcelona etc. I couldn't give a flying shite about any European club and their comings and goings. I'd have more interest in the Championship than the German, Spanish leagues etc.
I know, but it suits the hipster, cereal cafe, unicycling types it seems.
Or, just people that like football.
Post by: LeeB on October 09, 2023, 10:31:30 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 09, 2023, 10:31:58 AM
To be honest we really haven't looked consistently great away at any point this season, even in the games we've won. There's a massive disparity between our home and away form, and if we could close that gap (by making the away performances better) we'd be even higher in the table.
Is the away form that bad? Two wins and a draw from hard fought local derby isn't too bad from first 5 games.
Last season the away form was atrocious under captain calamity and that gave us an uphill task but we've lost very few aways under Emery.
Someone will probably point out what Spurs are doing. They've won 3/5 but had the chance to play Luton and Bournemouth already which we haven't so it should balance out over time.
I don't really get why we weren't at home yesterday. Everton and Man. United have both had back to back home games in last week (as did Wolves) so it seems odd that we have to wait until end of October to play the same number of homes as away in the league, just playing three at VP so far has hampered us a bit.
Post by: LeeB on October 09, 2023, 10:34:16 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 09, 2023, 10:39:10 AM
The two away defeats coming at Liverpool and Newcastle too, probably two of the four hardest away games we can have.
Newcastle just feels the eternal jinx ground for us. Liverpool we could've done better at the start but again they'll seriously challenge for the league imo.
Man. United showed last season you just need average away form e.g. beating most of the bottom half to finish top 4. Don't think Newcastle's away form was that amazing either for most of the season.
Win 11-12 again at VP and we'll be right up there as long as we don't mess up games away to likes of Luton and Sheffield United.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 09, 2023, 10:41:18 AM
Danny Murphy does get a fair bit of stick in these parts, some of it justified most of it not. In his Watkins’ analysis last night he stated he had a great game. He hadn’t seen it had he?
As I said elsewhere, it did feel as if he was determined to do an Ollie segment (in the week of his call up) irrespective of the game.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 09, 2023, 11:28:53 AM
I with you both, I couldn't give a shiny shit about games elsewhere.
It's one of the drawbacks having long standing mates who live all over the place. They are of the opinion that everyone is interested in Real Madrid.
Post by: OCD on October 09, 2023, 11:45:22 AM
Post by: LeeB on October 09, 2023, 11:47:55 AM
For all the criticism MOTD gets, I remember when ITV had the rights to the highlights. It was awful and people couldn't wait until the BBC got the rights back.
Andy Townsend's Tactics Truck and the theme tune by U2.
Yeah, fucking hell, you make a strong point.
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 09, 2023, 12:00:58 PM
Back then you'd get a long edit of the main match then a shorter version of the second offering and then the other 6-7 games (given there were few Sunday games in those times) would be condensed into 90 second brief highlights of goals and maybe a post match interview.
My other half is a Palace fan so I annoy her showing this game from time to time but that was generally the offering on MOTD in the 90s if you weren't selected as the featured game:
Our goals shown with no replays and a voiceover rather than comms and then a random interview with Attilio Lombardo who I think had just taken over as Palace manager.
They'll be poor pundits in any era but what actually gets put out in terms of highlights packages is lightyears ahead of that era.
Post by: OCD on October 09, 2023, 12:11:11 PM
Football highlights are far superior to what was being put out 20 years ago on both channels.
Back then you'd get a long edit of the main match then a shorter version of the second offering and then the other 6-7 games (given there were few Sunday games in those times) would be condensed into 90 second brief highlights of goals and maybe a post match interview.
My other half is a Palace fan so I annoy her showing this game from time to time but that was generally the offering on MOTD in the 90s if you weren't selected as the featured game:
Our goals shown with no replays and a voiceover rather than comms and then a random interview with Attilio Lombardo who I think had just taken over as Palace manager.
They'll be poor pundits in any era but what actually gets put out in terms of highlights packages is lightyears ahead of that era.
Thought it was going to be the one where Matt Jansen scored a cracker and we all got up and applauded it.
Post by: enigma on October 09, 2023, 12:16:24 PM
Post by: Bad English on October 09, 2023, 12:26:18 PM
Post by: Dave on October 09, 2023, 01:07:32 PM
It's all getting a bit Brexity in here. People Shaking their fists at all that foreign muck.
"Egg and chips all round por favor"
Post by: enigma on October 09, 2023, 01:57:17 PM
"And don't be shy with the gammon"It's all getting a bit Brexity in here. People Shaking their fists at all that foreign muck.
"Egg and chips all round por favor"
Post by: Smithy on October 09, 2023, 01:57:21 PM
The two away defeats coming at Liverpool and Newcastle too, probably two of the four hardest away games we can have.
Also the fact that in both of those away games we lost a centre-half to injury early in the game. One a clearly very significant injury that will have affected the players a bit.
Even without those injuries, I'm not sure we get any points, but the nature of the defeats was definitely impacted by the key injuries happening to early while the scores were close.
Post by: eamonn on October 09, 2023, 02:50:02 PM
Football highlights are far superior to what was being put out 20 years ago on both channels.
Back then you'd get a long edit of the main match then a shorter version of the second offering and then the other 6-7 games (given there were few Sunday games in those times) would be condensed into 90 second brief highlights of goals and maybe a post match interview.
My other half is a Palace fan so I annoy her showing this game from time to time but that was generally the offering on MOTD in the 90s if you weren't selected as the featured game:
Our goals shown with no replays and a voiceover rather than comms and then a random interview with Attilio Lombardo who I think had just taken over as Palace manager.
They'll be poor pundits in any era but what actually gets put out in terms of highlights packages is lightyears ahead of that era.
Thought it was going to be the one where Matt Jansen scored a cracker and we all got up and applauded it.
It was.
Post by: chrisw1 on October 09, 2023, 02:55:29 PM
Are you really implying that posters are some sort of racist / bigots because they have either pointed out that some continental clubs get a lot of coverage in some of our press or that they aren't personally interested in other countries' football leagues?"And don't be shy with the gammon"It's all getting a bit Brexity in here. People Shaking their fists at all that foreign muck.
"Egg and chips all round por favor"
I'm sure you're posting in jest, but even so, you are really stretching for humour here and if your comment was aimed at me I wouldn't be happy about it.
Post by: enigma on October 09, 2023, 03:23:16 PM
No I'm not implying that and you know full well I'm not. The posters were doing more than pointing out what you say, they were jokingly denigrating those that are interested in continental football. (Again as you well know but chose to ignore) I responded in kind.Are you really implying that posters are some sort of racist / bigots because they have either pointed out that some continental clubs get a lot of coverage in some of our press or that they aren't personally interested in other countries' football leagues?"And don't be shy with the gammon"It's all getting a bit Brexity in here. People Shaking their fists at all that foreign muck.
"Egg and chips all round por favor"
I'm sure you're posting in jest, but even so, you are really stretching for humour here and if your comment was aimed at me I wouldn't be happy about it.
Post by: Dave on October 09, 2023, 03:31:49 PM
No I'm not implying that and you know full well I'm not. The posters were doing more than pointing out what you say, they were jokingly denigrating those that are interested in continental football. (Again as you well know but chose to ignore) I responded in kind.Are you really implying that posters are some sort of racist / bigots because they have either pointed out that some continental clubs get a lot of coverage in some of our press or that they aren't personally interested in other countries' football leagues?"And don't be shy with the gammon"It's all getting a bit Brexity in here. People Shaking their fists at all that foreign muck.
"Egg and chips all round por favor"
I'm sure you're posting in jest, but even so, you are really stretching for humour here and if your comment was aimed at me I wouldn't be happy about it.
I'm also curious where any implied accusations of racism or bigotry were. Even ones in jest.
Post by: chrisw1 on October 09, 2023, 03:46:20 PM
Post by: IFWaters on October 09, 2023, 07:55:24 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on October 09, 2023, 09:40:20 PM
Come on Dave, 'Brexity' and 'Gammon' are common references to bigoted opinions.
I assumed he was channelling the Mr Egg menu.
Post by: FatSam on October 09, 2023, 09:50:24 PM
LikeCome on Dave, 'Brexity' and 'Gammon' are common references to bigoted opinions.
I assumed he was channelling the Mr Egg menu.
Post by: FatSam on October 09, 2023, 09:55:13 PM
But I am one ;-)
Post by: Pat McMahon on October 09, 2023, 10:08:53 PM
Post by: dave.woodhall on October 09, 2023, 10:19:32 PM
Not sure what the fuss is about. I was at a Barcelona game at the Nou Camp back in March and most people in the crowd didn’t give a shit about the game. Their games seem to be an excuse to sell merchandise to tourists.
Really?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 09, 2023, 10:32:55 PM
Not sure what the fuss is about. I was at a Barcelona game at the Nou Camp back in March and most people in the crowd didn’t give a shit about the game. Their games seem to be an excuse to sell merchandise to tourists.
I went for my 40th Birthday to a game on a sunday night up in the Gods and it was all tourists
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 10, 2023, 01:34:00 AM
Post by: danno on October 10, 2023, 08:08:19 AM
How are Barcelona and Real Madrid getting on?
They’re both in separate rooms and refusing to talk to one another.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 10, 2023, 11:24:46 AM
Post by: Bad English on October 10, 2023, 12:18:49 PM
Apart from that it is fairly quiet.
The renovation project (https://www.barcelonayellow.com/fcb-football-sports/147-new-camp-nou-stadium#:~:text=The%20new%20Bar%C3%A7a%20stadium%20will,construction%20until%20season%202025%2F26.&text=In%202022%2F23%20season%20FCB,find%20hotels%20near%20Camp%20Nou.&text=For%20the%202023%2F24%20season,Llu%C3%ADs%20Companys)%20on%20Montju%C3%AFc%20hill)
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 10, 2023, 01:25:53 PM
I think not. The press narrative to get them some sort of traction is disgusting why dont they just accept they have had their day
Post by: purpletrousers on October 23, 2023, 02:01:13 AM
So I quite enjoyed the Aston Villa show as MOTD2 felt for the first 3/4; lovely to have an extensive interview with Ollie front & centre.
I saw a pic of Deano interviewing the Maestro somewhere, presume this was from the live broadcast is there any link anywhere?
[edit - sorry just found it in the Unai thread]
Bit gutted I didn’t go today, but the girls loved (and I loved seeing them enjoy) theatre aimed at 2-5yrs ‘Wow! Said the owl’. I can’t be accused of always dragging them to football at least!
Post by: Rory on October 23, 2023, 02:23:26 AM
Just realised from the credits might not have watched it all season, it used to be a favourite thing for little AV, me having to name all the teams from the symbols.
So I quite enjoyed the Aston Villa show as MOTD2 felt for the first 3/4; lovely to have an extensive interview with Ollie front & centre.
I saw a pic of Deano interviewing the Maestro somewhere, presume this was from the live broadcast is there any link anywhere?
[edit - sorry just found it in the Unai thread]
Bit gutted I didn’t go today, but the girls loved (and I loved seeing them enjoy) theatre aimed at 2-5yrs ‘Wow! Said the owl’. I can’t be accused of always dragging them to football at least!
It was a refreshing change and a welcome reminder of what football coverage could be if only it withdrew its head from the arses of the anointed few.
I like Jason Mohammed, and even Jenas made sense. Ben Mee, we can overlook.
Just think, we could have something like that almost every weekend, instead of the usual overly-long highlights of Man City & Liverpool, followed by the post-match interviewers teabagging our best chums, 'Pep' and 'Jurgen'.
Post by: Drummond on October 23, 2023, 02:31:05 AM
Post by: Rioch is King on October 23, 2023, 10:41:42 AM
Phil McNulty
BBC Sport chief football writer
Anon: If anything was to happen to Harry Kane before the Euros is Ollie Watkins a natural replacement? He seems to score goals for fun with Villa but never seems to replicate it for England.
I think this is probably something England manager Gareth Southgate does not even want to think about but I do still think Ollie Watkins has to prove he is good enough at international level.
He is, however, a very fine player and is doing his chances no harm – still a bit to prove for England, though. His winner in the friendly against Australia should lift his confidence.
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2023, 10:49:13 AM
I hadn't realised it was Ben Fucking Mee when I saw them, if I had he'd have had some right pelters.
I don't like it when they have current players on. They asked Mee what he'd have done differently for the Watkins goal. "Tried to get a bit tighter" was his reply. Bullshit, gone through Watkins with a horrendous leg-breaker you mean, twat.
Post by: LeeB on October 23, 2023, 10:50:33 AM
BBC Villa coverage again... not forgetting that Ollie has never played a full game for England but has 8 appearances and 3 goals...
Phil McNulty
BBC Sport chief football writer
Anon: If anything was to happen to Harry Kane before the Euros is Ollie Watkins a natural replacement? He seems to score goals for fun with Villa but never seems to replicate it for England.
I think this is probably something England manager Gareth Southgate does not even want to think about but I do still think Ollie Watkins has to prove he is good enough at international level.
He is, however, a very fine player and is doing his chances no harm – still a bit to prove for England, though. His winner in the friendly against Australia should lift his confidence.
Was that ghost written by Gareth?
Post by: Somniloquism on October 23, 2023, 11:06:02 AM
I hadn't realised it was Ben Fucking Mee when I saw them, if I had he'd have had some right pelters.
I don't like it when they have current players on. They asked Mee what he'd have done differently for the Watkins goal. "Tried to get a bit tighter" was his reply. Bullshit, gone through Watkins with a horrendous leg-breaker you mean, twat.
I was thinking that. They mentioned he was getting back to fitness and I was also thinking "Fuck, that means he might be playing against us".
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 23, 2023, 12:44:49 PM
I like Jason Mohammed, and even Jenas made sense. Ben Mee, we can overlook.
Same here, really like Jason Mohammed as a presenter and Jenas was fine apart from the strides he was wearing. Ben Mee's been on MOTD2 a couple of times and I'm not sure why they have him on as a current player. Leaving the Wesley incident aside, he simply hasn't been very good and it felt that Jenas was helping him through the analysis yesterday.
Post by: PeterWithe on October 23, 2023, 12:47:13 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on October 23, 2023, 12:48:14 PM
Mee is on R5Live pretty regularly.
are you ? , sorry i will get my coat , also I still hate Mee
Post by: frank black on October 23, 2023, 01:18:16 PM
Mee is on R5Live pretty regularly.
I read that with the voice of Jar Jar Binks.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 23, 2023, 02:14:58 PM
Post by: jwarry on October 23, 2023, 04:24:31 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on October 24, 2023, 12:46:59 AM
I hadn't realised it was Ben Fucking Mee when I saw them, if I had he'd have had some right pelters.
I don't like it when they have current players on. They asked Mee what he'd have done differently for the Watkins goal. "Tried to get a bit tighter" was his reply. Bullshit, gone through Watkins with a horrendous leg-breaker you mean, twat.
I was thinking that. They mentioned he was getting back to fitness and I was also thinking "Fuck, that means he might be playing against us".
When we beat Brentford at home 4-0 last year I spent the afternoon giving Mee dogs abuse. I only found out after the game that the blond centre half wasn’t actually him but another player. In my defence we were on the very back row of the upper Holte.
Post by: Ian. on November 12, 2023, 11:07:32 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2023, 11:09:13 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 12, 2023, 11:15:44 PM
Post by: Rory on November 12, 2023, 11:46:40 PM
Then they bollocksed that by putting up that 'Chelsea vs 'the rest of the big six'' graphic. And then to joke "soon to be a big seven, Alan" to Shearer, who to his credit didn't respond.
Post by: VillaTim on November 13, 2023, 12:02:32 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 13, 2023, 12:31:04 AM
Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
Post by: Rory on November 13, 2023, 12:43:35 AM
Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
Can't believe he's 60. Just another depressing reminder that the '90s was a long time ago.
I like Ian Wright, and wouldn't call him arrogant, but he's certainly a lazy pundit.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 13, 2023, 02:55:10 AM
Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
Of all of them, Ian Wright is one of the most complimentary of the TV pundits when it comes to discussing us in the media. Are you ever not miserable?
Post by: Rory on November 13, 2023, 05:20:15 AM
Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
Of all of them, Ian Wright is one of the most complimentary of the TV pundits when it comes to discussing us in the media. Are you ever not miserable?
I think Shearer is very fair, when you consider he was the Newcastle manager when we sent them down in 2009 - and we mocked him personally.
I don't mind admitting that, while we were completely justified and represented nothing but the enjoyment that any fanbase would've shared at Newcastle going down on that day, if the roles were reversed I'd probably have held a grudge. Not as a fan, because they fucking deserved relegation and it was only their clueless self-awarded status as being 'everybody's second team' that made them bitch and cry so much - but as Shearer himself.
He's almost always very complimentary about us, and as a result I'm sometimes inclined to overlook what a dirty, elbow-y bastard he was as a player.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 13, 2023, 07:17:38 AM
Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
The grammatical error in his post suggests to me he’s not sure how to express his name correctly in this context.
Post by: Axl Rose on November 13, 2023, 07:20:59 AM
Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
He's a MOTD pundit, mate. I suppose it's what makes them pundits; their ineptitude and whatnot.
I don't mind Wright, he's ok. Shearer, too.
It's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 13, 2023, 08:39:50 AM
Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twatIt's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
Hah, another gem there! I'm going to start making a note of these Axl, so I can publish a book of the most creative insults in the English language.
Post by: VillaTim on November 13, 2023, 10:29:25 AM
go on then Grammar Police teach us how it's doneIan Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
The grammatical error in his post suggests to me he’s not sure how to express his name correctly in this context.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 13, 2023, 10:33:14 AM
Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
He's a MOTD pundit, mate. I suppose it's what makes them pundits; their ineptitude and whatnot.
I don't mind Wright, he's ok. Shearer, too.
It's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
I can not watch him, I can not believe the work he gets .
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 13, 2023, 10:39:48 AM
go on then Grammar Police teach us how it's doneIan Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
The grammatical error in his post suggests to me he’s not sure how to express his name correctly in this context.
Douglas’s or Douglas’ …either could have been used. It wouldn’t normally bother me but as you pilloried Ian Wright for momentarily forgetting his name I thought it a good reason to make the point.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 13, 2023, 10:40:36 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 13, 2023, 10:49:50 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 13, 2023, 10:52:51 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2023, 10:55:03 AM
Also if there is one thing I hate about this place it's the amount of grammatical/spelling corrections that get highlighted for point scoring against so called controversial/annoying posters in particular. Some people are good at English, some people are not. Some people need to relax.
Ha, I like that you felt you needed to edit that.
It's perfectly okay to start a sentence with also in both formal and informal writing, as long as that sentence continues the same train of thought as the previous sentence.
Just in case anyone was wondering.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 13, 2023, 10:56:11 AM
Post by: VillaTim on November 13, 2023, 11:05:15 AM
He wouldn't have forgotten an Arsenal players surname, it was a subtle (or not so) put down of little old Aston Villa and their collection of spirited but unheard of players . Wanker. (ian Wright, not you). close brackets.go on then Grammar Police teach us how it's doneIan Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
The grammatical error in his post suggests to me he’s not sure how to express his name correctly in this context.
Douglas’s or Douglas’ …either could have been used. It wouldn’t normally bother me but as you pilloried Ian Wright for momentarily forgetting his name I thought it a good reason to make the point.
Post by: Bad English on November 13, 2023, 11:13:52 AM
Also if there is one thing I hate about this place it's the amount of grammatical/spelling corrections that get highlighted for point scoring.It doesn't really happen a lot though, does it?
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2023, 11:17:57 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 13, 2023, 11:18:43 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 13, 2023, 11:19:29 AM
I like Ian Wright. He champions the women's game, he just seems like a decent, down-to-earth person too. Not sure if you've ever seen the video of him with his first teacher, who he'd not seen for a long time, but it was really touching.
Yes that was brilliant. He’s just an ordinary guy underneath.
Post by: Simon Page on November 13, 2023, 11:23:40 AM
He wouldn't have forgotten an Arsenal players surname, it was a subtle (or not so) put down of little old Aston Villa and their collection of spirited but unheard of players . Wanker. (ian Wright, not you). close brackets.
Post by: Bad English on November 13, 2023, 11:24:57 AM
It happens too often. I suspect you’ve chosen to comment because if there was a special tribunal for this sort of thing you would be in the dock. It’s not a big deal I just don’t happen to think it’s necessary.Making things up now. I rarely do this sort of thing as I'd be spending all day on it
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 13, 2023, 11:36:50 AM
Seems a top guy to me and yes that video is special.I like Ian Wright. He champions the women's game, he just seems like a decent, down-to-earth person too. Not sure if you've ever seen the video of him with his first teacher, who he'd not seen for a long time, but it was really touching.
Yes that was brilliant. He’s just an ordinary guy underneath.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 13, 2023, 11:48:37 AM
He wouldn't have forgotten an Arsenal players surname, it was a subtle (or not so) put down of little old Aston Villa and their collection of spirited but unheard of players . Wanker. (ian Wright, not you). close brackets.go on then Grammar Police teach us how it's doneIan Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
The grammatical error in his post suggests to me he’s not sure how to express his name correctly in this context.
Douglas’s or Douglas’ …either could have been used. It wouldn’t normally bother me but as you pilloried Ian Wright for momentarily forgetting his name I thought it a good reason to make the point.
I'm sure he wouldn't as he is after all an Arsenal supporter. Wright is usually very complimentary of our club and now the way we play the game. After years of being dismissed as nothing more than cannon fodder for the bigger clubs we are starting to get recognition. A few more seasons like this and he along with the rest will know our team's Christian names, second names, confirmation names, nick names and inside leg measurements. For the record, the only full name of an Arsenal player I can recall is Declan Rice. Nkethia I believe is a very good player for them but I haven't a scooby what his first name is.
Post by: VillaTim on November 13, 2023, 12:02:18 PM
I'm sure he's also miffed that Luiz turned down Arsenal in Jan. That pissed off the Arsenal fan base.He wouldn't have forgotten an Arsenal players surname, it was a subtle (or not so) put down of little old Aston Villa and their collection of spirited but unheard of players . Wanker. (ian Wright, not you). close brackets.go on then Grammar Police teach us how it's doneIan Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
60 year old man momentarily forgets a players surname and he's an arrogant twat?
Have a look in the mirror.
The grammatical error in his post suggests to me he’s not sure how to express his name correctly in this context.
Douglas’s or Douglas’ …either could have been used. It wouldn’t normally bother me but as you pilloried Ian Wright for momentarily forgetting his name I thought it a good reason to make the point.
I'm sure he wouldn't as he is after all an Arsenal supporter. Wright is usually very complimentary of our club and now the way we play the game. After years of being dismissed as nothing more than cannon fodder for the bigger clubs we are starting to get recognition. A few more seasons like this and he along with the rest will know our team's Christian names, second names, confirmation names, nick names and inside leg measurements. For the record, the only full name of an Arsenal player I can recall is Declan Rice. Nkethia I believe is a very good player for them but I haven't a scooby what his first name is.
Post by: Risso on November 13, 2023, 12:38:55 PM
Post by: Dave P on November 13, 2023, 12:55:16 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 13, 2023, 01:11:29 PM
I routinely forget my own kids' names, so I'll let Ian Wright off for a solitary senior moment.
I’m glad I’m not the only one.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 13, 2023, 01:22:46 PM
I routinely forget my own kids' names, so I'll let Ian Wright off for a solitary senior moment.
To be fair, with the size of your brood it must be like reciting Pi. :)
Post by: chrisw1 on November 13, 2023, 01:23:06 PM
No it wasn't. You are utterly deluded. Take your tin hat off FFS.
He wouldn't have forgotten an Arsenal players surname, it was a subtle (or not so) put down of little old Aston Villa and their collection of spirited but unheard of players . Wanker. (ian Wright, not you).
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 13, 2023, 01:43:39 PM
Well BBC set to retain the Premier League highlights rights and broadcast Match of the Day till 2029Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
He's a MOTD pundit, mate. I suppose it's what makes them pundits; their ineptitude and whatnot.
I don't mind Wright, he's ok. Shearer, too.
It's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
I can not watch him, I can not believe the work he gets .
There's limited interest from other broadcasters.
So, will classic MOTD and MOTD 2 continue in traditional format until the end of this decade?
I think BBC need to be evolving to give highlights and shorts online shortly after matches end, rather than paying pundits . Hopefully they move with the times to invest more to broadcast match content and incidents putting it online and on iPlayer.
On pundits
Maybe they should just do away with pundits. Or only have coaches or ex coaches on and not ex players.
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 13, 2023, 01:57:16 PM
Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twat
I don't mind Wright, he's ok. Shearer, too.
It's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
If ever a cnut is guilty of stealing a living - stupid belly laugh at nothing usually, commenting on how macho he is and on a decent game show like A League of their own if he is not in the limelight for 2 minutes he has to pipe up with such faux "bants" it is embarrassing
Total waste of skin
Post by: Somniloquism on November 13, 2023, 02:14:13 PM
Well BBC set to retain the Premier League highlights rights and broadcast Match of the Day till 2029
There's limited interest from other broadcasters.
So, will classic MOTD and MOTD 2 continue in traditional format until the end of this decade?
I think BBC need to be evolving to give highlights and shorts online shortly after matches end, rather than paying pundits . Hopefully they move with the times to invest more to broadcast match content and incidents putting it online and on iPlayer.
On pundits
Maybe they should just do away with pundits. Or only have coaches or ex coaches on and not ex players.
The highlights package they buy probably doesn't allow them to put out content like you describe. As for the last comment; Yes, instead of former players, get coaches like Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Wayne Rooney, Alan Shearer, Patrick Vierra, Phil and Gary Neville, Steve Bruce, Peter Reid, Roy Keane, Martin O'Neill........
Post by: Bad English on November 13, 2023, 02:51:14 PM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on November 13, 2023, 03:04:59 PM
I routinely forget my own kids' names, so I'll let Ian Wright off for a solitary senior moment.I just start at the eldest and work my way down. I sometimes even make it to the dog, but as he's called Buddy, I get away with that!
Post by: Simon Page on November 13, 2023, 03:07:36 PM
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Post by: VillaTim on November 13, 2023, 04:18:34 PM
I forget who Dan Bardell is most of the time so it's understandable.is he any relation of Dave Bardell ?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 13, 2023, 04:28:46 PM
My old man did the chronological method. Annoying for my sister as she has three older brothers.
There was fella near us called Frank Martin who gave his 11 kids names (in order) that started with the letters in his.
Post by: Drummond on November 13, 2023, 04:34:27 PM
I forget who Dan Bardell is most of the time so it's understandable.
Dan Bardell?
Post by: TelfordVilla on November 13, 2023, 05:01:21 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 13, 2023, 05:34:52 PM
Strangely, I think he is.I forget who Dan Bardell is most of the time so it's understandable.is he any relation of Dave Bardell ?
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 13, 2023, 05:53:29 PM
No it wasn't. You are utterly deluded. Take your tin hat off FFS.
He wouldn't have forgotten an Arsenal players surname, it was a subtle (or not so) put down of little old Aston Villa and their collection of spirited but unheard of players . Wanker. (ian Wright, not you).
I think he just forgot his name.
Post by: Baldy on November 13, 2023, 06:02:12 PM
Post by: Bad English on November 13, 2023, 07:08:21 PM
Dan Bardell puts a lot of good content out on youtubeWho is Dan Bardell!
Post by: dave shelley on November 13, 2023, 07:29:46 PM
Not MOTD, but just listened to the 606 podcast from last night. Did Robbie Savage really kick Chris Sutton off the show 'live on air' after Sutton chose Charlie Savage as the winner of the simulation game. Seemed like it on podcast. Does anyone know what happened? Thanks
Does Savage have that power of veto though? I would imagine that would be the remit of any executive producer type bod?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 13, 2023, 07:34:18 PM
Not MOTD, but just listened to the 606 podcast from last night. Did Robbie Savage really kick Chris Sutton off the show 'live on air' after Sutton chose Charlie Savage as the winner of the simulation game. Seemed like it on podcast. Does anyone know what happened? Thanks
Does Savage have that power of veto though?
I doubt it, plus he probably thinks a veto is a character from The Godfather.
Post by: dave shelley on November 13, 2023, 07:41:05 PM
Not MOTD, but just listened to the 606 podcast from last night. Did Robbie Savage really kick Chris Sutton off the show 'live on air' after Sutton chose Charlie Savage as the winner of the simulation game. Seemed like it on podcast. Does anyone know what happened? Thanks
Does Savage have that power of veto though?
I doubt it, plus he probably thinks a veto is a character from The Godfather.
Or maybe the power of Vimto which incidentally I can't get here anymore which is a bummer as I love the stuff as does my missus and grandkids.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 13, 2023, 08:11:59 PM
Or maybe the power of Vimto which incidentally I can't get here anymore which is a bummer as I love the stuff as does my missus and grandkids.
Think it's back in Homesavers now. :)
I know they haven't had it in a long while, plus the Iceland back-up option has closed. I managed to get 6 litres of it in the Charlestown store so also worth checking there if you've a run to Knock airport.
Post by: dave shelley on November 13, 2023, 08:35:21 PM
Or maybe the power of Vimto which incidentally I can't get here anymore which is a bummer as I love the stuff as does my missus and grandkids.
Think it's back in Homesavers now. :)
I know they haven't had it in a long while, plus the Iceland back-up option has closed. I managed to get 6 litres of it in the Charlestown store so also worth checking there if you've a run to Knock airport.
Must check that out, thanks.
Post by: Ian. on November 13, 2023, 08:35:30 PM
The bloke from You Tube.Dan Bardell puts a lot of good content out on youtubeWho is Dan Bardell!
Post by: 85kota on November 13, 2023, 08:36:19 PM
Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twatIt's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
Hah, another gem there! I'm going to start making a note of these Axl, so I can publish a book of the most creative insults in the English language.
I don't think hand feeding a shark is a good idea.
Also what about people who have been bitten by a shark? Please consider adding a trigger warning to these types of posts.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 13, 2023, 10:13:54 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 14, 2023, 01:42:35 AM
I like Ian Wright and he was pretty effusive about us. A name slip was just that.
I’ve liked him ever since we were giving him dog’s abuse at the Holte End years ago and he hid his hand up his back, inside his shirt and flicked us the Vs. It did make me laugh.
Post by: Axl Rose on November 14, 2023, 03:47:54 AM
Ian Wright didn't know Douglas second name and had to be prompted, arrogant twatIt's the Micah Richards' of this world that need handfeeding to a massive shark.
Hah, another gem there! I'm going to start making a note of these Axl, so I can publish a book of the most creative insults in the English language.
I don't think hand feeding a shark is a good idea.
Also what about people who have been bitten by a shark? Please consider adding a trigger warning to these types of posts.
Hmmmm. I'm curious if you're being serious, but anyway.
I have been bitten by a (smallish) shark. It hurt, but life goes on.
I might also take the risk of it happening again if it meant handfeeding you to one, however.
Post by: algy on November 14, 2023, 07:25:31 AM
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 14, 2023, 08:37:00 AM
I like Ian Wright and he was pretty effusive about us. A name slip was just that.
I’ve liked him ever since we were giving him dog’s abuse at the Holte End years ago and he hid his hand up his back, inside his shirt and flicked us the Vs. It did make me laugh.
I think that’s the moment that endeared him to most of us. Took the stick off us, gave plenty back. Great player and entertainer. Definitely one of the good guys.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on November 14, 2023, 08:59:18 AM
He'll be one of the guys who will be genuinely pleased if we achieve something special this year.I like Ian Wright and he was pretty effusive about us. A name slip was just that.
I’ve liked him ever since we were giving him dog’s abuse at the Holte End years ago and he hid his hand up his back, inside his shirt and flicked us the Vs. It did make me laugh.
I think that’s the moment that endeared him to most of us. Took the stick off us, gave plenty back. Great player and entertainer. Definitely one of the good guys.
Which I think we will.
Post by: dave shelley on November 14, 2023, 09:14:34 AM
Post by: Nev on November 14, 2023, 09:31:23 AM
I'd much prefer to listen to a journalist analyse a football match than an ex player. They tend to be more erudite, have a better grasp of grammar and generally have no particular bias. The sort of bias that kept Bruce in a job for so long and has an arrogant and dismissive attitude to the fans and their opinion (see McCleish and Gerrard). There are a few exceptions such as Pat Nevin and the much missed Jimmy Armfield but in general, laddish bants and barely coherent blabbering is why I fast forward between games on MOTD.
Oh, and the same pundits who are criticising VAR were the very ones screaming for it in the first place.
Post by: London Villan on November 14, 2023, 11:05:32 AM
Post by: KevinGage on November 14, 2023, 11:12:44 AM
I like Ian Wright and he was pretty effusive about us. A name slip was just that.
I’ve liked him ever since we were giving him dog’s abuse at the Holte End years ago and he hid his hand up his back, inside his shirt and flicked us the Vs. It did make me laugh.
I think that’s the moment that endeared him to most of us. Took the stick off us, gave plenty back. Great player and entertainer. Definitely one of the good guys.
Recall reading an interview with him a few years ago that said pretty much that. The Villa fans would give him stick, he'd respond but there were no complaints after. Unlike other fans who can't wait to report a player for next to nowt.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 14, 2023, 11:34:41 AM
us scored a goal gave us and he gave us stick back, as it should be.
Post by: Towser on November 14, 2023, 11:42:43 AM
Wasn't there a game he was missing a European Final because of suspension and we gave him loads of stick. They stuffedWe were singing "Ian Wright, wheres your final gone" the whole game
us scored a goal gave us and he gave us stick back, as it should be.
Post by: Simon Page on November 14, 2023, 11:48:14 AM
[whisper]I really like Shearer too and still think he's one of the best players I've ever seen.[/whisper]
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 14, 2023, 11:50:08 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 14, 2023, 12:00:23 PM
I like Ian Wright and he was pretty effusive about us. A name slip was just that.
I’ve liked him ever since we were giving him dog’s abuse at the Holte End years ago and he hid his hand up his back, inside his shirt and flicked us the Vs. It did make me laugh.
"Ian Wright, where's your final gone?".
Post by: LeeB on November 14, 2023, 12:05:21 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 14, 2023, 01:10:02 PM
The next season they battered us 4-0 at home around Easter and him and John Hartson ran riot, he came off towards the the end and it's one of the few times I've stood and applauded an opposition player off the pitch, part admiration and incandescent at our ineptitude as we slid towards the trap door.
Was that the match where it absolutely pissed down?
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 14, 2023, 03:18:40 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 14, 2023, 05:54:04 PM
The next season they battered us 4-0 at home around Easter and him and John Hartson ran riot, he came off towards the the end and it's one of the few times I've stood and applauded an opposition player off the pitch, part admiration and incandescent at our ineptitude as we slid towards the trap door.
Was that the match where it absolutely pissed down?
Oh yes.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 14, 2023, 06:11:28 PM
Post by: Chris Harte on November 14, 2023, 09:03:00 PM
Wasn't there a game he was missing a European Final because of suspension and we gave him loads of stick. They stuffedAs I remember it we were a goal up until he scored twice in front of the Holte. He stood there with arms aloft, clearly centre of attention, and I'm thinking bastard. Then I quickly reflect and think well actually fair play. The Holte had given him dog's abuse for most of the game and he'd shut us up in the perfect way.
us scored a goal gave us and he gave us stick back, as it should be.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on November 14, 2023, 09:19:16 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 14, 2023, 09:30:30 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 15, 2023, 02:00:26 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0gm6922/the-football-news-show-how-villa-are-disrupting-the-elite
Post by: Whiney MacWhineface on November 15, 2023, 04:21:20 PM
I remember I changed my opinion on Ian Wright years ago when we played Arsenal at Highbury. Ricardo Scimica was playing in one of his early games for Villa and he did really well in clearing a shot from Wright off the goal line. The first person to go up to Scimica to shake his hand and say well done was Wright, the first and probably the only time I’ve seen that type of sportsmanship. One of the good guys imho.
David Speedie was a pretty unmentionable arse. However, back in the 90s he got a round of applause from the Holte End. Chelsea were pressing us hard and he had a couple of near point-blank shots on our goal only to be denied by two of the best saves I’ve ever seen. The goalie was Kevin Poole (a great shot-stopper, but a bit dodgy otherwise) and on both occasions Speedie came up to him and shook his hand.
I think this is also memorable for some twat locking his Toyota Carina ll with the engine running.
Post by: OCD on November 15, 2023, 05:01:36 PM
Yes, i think he stood in front of the Holte end with his arms raised and a massive grin on his face for quite some time. It did make me laugh despite that fact that we'd conceded a goal. The other one from around the time was Dennis Wise for Chelsea who ran the length of the pitch doing the 'slaphead' taunt at some fan in the crowd who had been giving him shit all afternoon. Possibly shouting 'taxi' at him continually from memory.
Dennis Wise made me laugh. Not sure whether it was that game or not, think the one I'm thinking of was around Easter. Anyway, me and my Dad had seats close to the front row of the Trinity. There was an attractive girl in the front row and every time he was near, he was having banter with her (clearly on the pull).
My only Ian Wright memory was of him scoring a hat-trick in a 4-0 win against us. Probably the last game I can remember my Dad going with me. Edit - Just saw Lee B mention this game.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 15, 2023, 09:01:35 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/R2hNJry/IMG-0964.png) (https://ibb.co/R2hNJry)
And when you thought 3 or 4 shows on Chelsea/Man City wasn’t enough, yesterday was called
(https://i.ibb.co/q0GvsHc/IMG-0965.jpg) (https://ibb.co/q0GvsHc)
And the show in between on Man U. Because that subject hasn’t been covered enough.
Sides like us, Brighton even Newcastle don’t really matter. Prior to that was lots of Arsenal and Tottenham. Liverpool seem to be the least discussed of their big 6 of late but I’m sure they will address that eventually.
Post by: eamonn on November 15, 2023, 10:25:34 PM
I remember I changed my opinion on Ian Wright years ago when we played Arsenal at Highbury. Ricardo Scimica was playing in one of his early games for Villa and he did really well in clearing a shot from Wright off the goal line. The first person to go up to Scimica to shake his hand and say well done was Wright, the first and probably the only time I’ve seen that type of sportsmanship. One of the good guys imho.
David Speedie was a pretty unmentionable arse. However, back in the 90s he got a round of applause from the Holte End. Chelsea were pressing us hard and he had a couple of near point-blank shots on our goal only to be denied by two of the best saves I’ve ever seen. The goalie was Kevin Poole (a great shot-stopper, but a bit dodgy otherwise) and on both occasions Speedie came up to him and shook his hand.
I think this is also memorable for some twat locking his Toyota Carina ll with the engine running.
Please don't disrespect the nascent African Car Reverser.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 16, 2023, 10:52:27 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 16, 2023, 10:57:36 PM
Dennis Wise made me laugh. Not sure whether it was that game or not, think the one I'm thinking of was around Easter. Anyway, me and my Dad had seats close to the front row of the Trinity. There was an attractive girl in the front row and every time he was near, he was having banter with her (clearly on the pull).
He was on the Concorde retirement flight that I was on. Doubt the onboard leg room was much of an issue for him.
Post by: Legion on November 16, 2023, 11:01:00 PM
I was listening to the True Geordie podcast, and he was talking to David Icke! Now this chap has fascinating theories, and I'm curious about what he says. Upon looking him up more about him I saw he was a presenter of MOTD!
He was also a GK. Bit of a nutcase.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 16, 2023, 11:28:43 PM
Post by: Legion on November 16, 2023, 11:30:52 PM
Apple Podcast:I was listening to the True Geordie podcast, and he was talking to David Icke! Now this chap has fascinating theories, and I'm curious about what he says. Upon looking him up more about him I saw he was a presenter of MOTD!
He was also a GK. Bit of a nutcase.
"David Icke is a conspiracy researcher known across the world for his work on the 9/11 world trade centre attacks and the reptilian illuminati who he says rule the world from behind the scenes. David was a figure of ridicule earlier in his life but with his talks and books proving more and more popular by the day many feel he’s been vindicated on a lot of his theories."
Post by: LeeB on November 17, 2023, 12:32:45 AM
I was listening to the True Geordie podcast, and he was talking to David Icke! Now this chap has fascinating theories, and I'm curious about what he says. Upon looking him up more about him I saw he was a presenter of MOTD!
Grand, I'll look forward to you explaining to us plebs what we already know about him over the coming weeks.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 17, 2023, 12:56:50 AM
I was listening to the True Geordie podcast, and he was talking to David Icke! Now this chap has fascinating theories, and I'm curious about what he says. Upon looking him up more about him I saw he was a presenter of MOTD!
Grand, I'll look forward to you explaining to us plebs what we already know about him over the coming weeks.
Insight incoming Lee. Brace yourself.
Post by: Bad English on November 17, 2023, 06:11:47 AM
Post by: dave shelley on November 26, 2023, 10:57:11 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 26, 2023, 11:07:38 PM
WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
Post by: TelfordVilla on November 26, 2023, 11:08:28 PM
WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.Danny murphy
Post by: LeeB on November 26, 2023, 11:21:11 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 26, 2023, 11:23:33 PM
Fuck off Jenas, penis head.
Knew that would annoy people, not that JJ has to try too hard. If Spurs hadn't lost today, I bet he'd have been talking about a four-way race.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2023, 11:32:23 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 26, 2023, 11:37:40 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 27, 2023, 01:48:57 AM
Post by: Smirker on November 27, 2023, 02:01:51 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 27, 2023, 06:19:54 AM
Tbf they did mention us and said they can't see us being there at the end. What more can they say? We've not challenged for a title in how long? I'm OK with it. We need to prove ourselves over a full season and we haven't done that yet.
True. Keep dismissing us lifts the weight of expectation from the players. That all changes should we get a result v Man City and Arsenal.
Post by: Axl Rose on November 27, 2023, 06:25:12 AM
Post by: Clampy on November 27, 2023, 07:23:03 AM
I told my wife this morning when she asked me if the Villa had won; if we win the league, I'll be completely naked for months, and there's nothing you'll be able to do about it.
I think the police might think differently. :D
Post by: Axl Rose on November 27, 2023, 07:27:59 AM
I told my wife this morning when she asked me if the Villa had won; if we win the league, I'll be completely naked for months, and there's nothing you'll be able to do about it.
I think the police might think differently.
Haha. Well yes, but I don't consider them real people, so I'll have to continue my naked crusade in a cell.
Post by: dave shelley on November 27, 2023, 08:41:21 AM
WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
Bollocks! I was in a hurry to get in first and got over excited. Much of a muchness though as you say Lee.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 27, 2023, 10:18:21 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 27, 2023, 10:20:36 AM
It's the element which has been missing for Villa sides for years and years. There have been so many matches under Emery where I've thought "under *insert any one of god knows how many former managers here, even ones who did well for us* we'd have lost that".
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 27, 2023, 10:26:13 AM
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2023, 10:28:08 AM
I don't think we look like we are on empty - I think it's more a case of getting results when we're not actually playing well, which is one of the major differences between a decent side and a very good one.
It's the element which has been missing for Villa sides for years and years. There have been so many matches under Emery where I've thought "under *insert any one of god knows how many former managers here, even ones who did well for us* we'd have lost that".
To be honest this season, that hasn't happened all that often. We've either just been at home and mostly smashed teams into obvlivion, or we've been away and played badly and lost/drew. I think the only two games where the scoreline slightly flattered us was Palace at home, and yesterday, the rest we've pretty much got what we deserved, both wins and defeats.
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 10:29:31 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 27, 2023, 10:30:59 AM
I don't think we look like we are on empty - I think it's more a case of getting results when we're not actually playing well, which is one of the major differences between a decent side and a very good one.
It's the element which has been missing for Villa sides for years and years. There have been so many matches under Emery where I've thought "under *insert any one of god knows how many former managers here, even ones who did well for us* we'd have lost that".
To be honest this season, that hasn't happened all that often. We've either just been at home and mostly smashed teams into obvlivion, or we've been away and played badly and lost/drew. I think the only two games where the scoreline slightly flattered us was Palace at home, and yesterday, the rest we've pretty much got what we deserved, both wins and defeats.
The Palace game we'd have 100% lost under any manager previously, and we'd have probably shit ourselves and dropped points when West Ham and Brighton pulled it back to 2-1.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 27, 2023, 10:31:56 AM
I don't think we look like we are on empty - I think it's more a case of getting results when we're not actually playing well, which is one of the major differences between a decent side and a very good one.
It's the element which has been missing for Villa sides for years and years. There have been so many matches under Emery where I've thought "under *insert any one of god knows how many former managers here, even ones who did well for us* we'd have lost that".
To be honest this season, that hasn't happened all that often. We've either just been at home and mostly smashed teams into obvlivion, or we've been away and played badly and lost/drew. I think the only two games where the scoreline slightly flattered us was Palace at home, and yesterday, the rest we've pretty much got what we deserved, both wins and defeats.
The Palace game we'd have 100% lost under any manager previously, and we'd have probably shit ourselves and dropped points when West Ham and Brighton pulled it back to 2-1.
3-1 Brighton.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 27, 2023, 10:33:43 AM
WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
https://x.com/villa_woody1000/status/1728913603083047181?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Post by: LeeB on November 27, 2023, 10:36:24 AM
I don't think we look like we are on empty - I think it's more a case of getting results when we're not actually playing well, which is one of the major differences between a decent side and a very good one.
It's the element which has been missing for Villa sides for years and years. There have been so many matches under Emery where I've thought "under *insert any one of god knows how many former managers here, even ones who did well for us* we'd have lost that".
To be honest this season, that hasn't happened all that often. We've either just been at home and mostly smashed teams into obvlivion, or we've been away and played badly and lost/drew. I think the only two games where the scoreline slightly flattered us was Palace at home, and yesterday, the rest we've pretty much got what we deserved, both wins and defeats.
The Palace game we'd have 100% lost under any manager previously, and we'd have probably shit ourselves and dropped points when West Ham and Brighton pulled it back to 2-1.
3-1 Brighton.
Sorry yes, thank you Mr Logic
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 27, 2023, 10:36:26 AM
Post by: LeeB on November 27, 2023, 10:40:06 AM
The Football Show on SSN have mentioned us twice now without the Spurs narrative in their trailers. Just waiting for the full discussion now, which should be okay as Warnock tipped us for top 4 at the start of the season.
I'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 27, 2023, 10:45:54 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 27, 2023, 10:46:13 AM
I don't think we look like we are on empty - I think it's more a case of getting results when we're not actually playing well, which is one of the major differences between a decent side and a very good one.
It's the element which has been missing for Villa sides for years and years. There have been so many matches under Emery where I've thought "under *insert any one of god knows how many former managers here, even ones who did well for us* we'd have lost that".
To be honest this season, that hasn't happened all that often. We've either just been at home and mostly smashed teams into obvlivion, or we've been away and played badly and lost/drew. I think the only two games where the scoreline slightly flattered us was Palace at home, and yesterday, the rest we've pretty much got what we deserved, both wins and defeats.
The Palace game we'd have 100% lost under any manager previously, and we'd have probably shit ourselves and dropped points when West Ham and Brighton pulled it back to 2-1.
3-1 Brighton.
Sorry yes, thank you Mr Logic
Haha, sorry mate.
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 10:48:31 AM
I think in general, good or bad, you can tell which pundits have actually been watching us on a regular basis, even last season, compared to the ones who are just so used to the "top6" narrative that they are being caught out repeatedly this season when they have to discuss a team other than the old reliables.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 27, 2023, 10:56:20 AM
Post by: brontebilly on November 27, 2023, 11:06:58 AM
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2023, 01:09:23 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 27, 2023, 01:32:55 PM
Quote
I'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
I may of been wrong.
H&J just (who i usually really like) suggested we are a flash in the pan and they were not convinced - there is a common denominator - Spurs and Chelsea fans respectively who just happened to have been beaten at home this season by the mighty Villa
Oh and last season as well in case they think it was a fluke ;D
Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 27, 2023, 01:36:31 PM
Post by: AV82EC on November 27, 2023, 01:37:31 PM
QuoteI'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
I may of been wrong.
H&J just (who i usually really like) suggested we are a flash in the pan and they were not convinced - there is a common denominator - Spurs and Chelsea fans respectively who just happened to have been beaten at home this season by the mighty Villa
Oh and last season as well in case they think it was a fluke ;D
Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
I wasn’t old enough but seem to recall many comments on here it was after the home win against Liverpool in January.
Post by: VillaTim on November 27, 2023, 01:38:19 PM
yeah , i thought he was half cut / taking the piss too .QuoteI'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
Post by: AV82EC on November 27, 2023, 01:39:10 PM
yeah , i thought he was half cut / taking the piss too .QuoteI'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
He was right though.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 27, 2023, 01:43:17 PM
Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
I asked my Dad the same thing last night. He didn't really remember but I'm guessing when we were still in the mix at Xmas. I'd also guess there wasn't the same focus in the media (and online obviously) where the contenders are discussed in detail week in, week out.
Post by: nick harper on November 27, 2023, 01:47:59 PM
I thought after we beat Liverpool at home in January 1981.
It was after that game - and it was on MOTD. I think the players have also commented it was the moment they really started to believe. I think we won another six on the bounce after that.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 27, 2023, 01:59:41 PM
Danny Murphy has been complimentary about us a quite a few times. I know he's a miserable git but tbh I think he's a decent pundit.WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
Post by: VillaTim on November 27, 2023, 02:01:16 PM
He was , and in fairness he does know a thing or two about the gameyeah , i thought he was half cut / taking the piss too .QuoteI'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
He was right though.
Post by: Rory on November 27, 2023, 02:06:50 PM
Danny Murphy has been complimentary about us a quite a few times. I know he's a miserable git but tbh I think he's a decent pundit.WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
I can never get beyond that face. It's more than miserable, it's almost disgust.
He looks like someone has put out the candles on his birthday cake by farting on them, then just as he's realising there are no more matches, that person has followed through.
Post by: TelfordVilla on November 27, 2023, 02:08:32 PM
the media ignored Villa almost to the last 4 games . They were certain that Ipswich would win the league. They wrote Liverpool off after wr beat them at home but all along they were only focussed on Ipswich.Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
I asked my Dad the same thing last night. He didn't really remember but I'm guessing when we were still in the mix at Xmas. I'd also guess there wasn't the same focus in the media (and online obviously) where the contenders are discussed in detail week in, week out.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 27, 2023, 02:11:00 PM
Danny Murphy has been complimentary about us a quite a few times. I know he's a miserable git but tbh I think he's a decent pundit.
Agree he's not the worst, even though he doesn't seem keen on us. He does always look like he lost a pound and found a penny though.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 27, 2023, 02:12:03 PM
Look how many Villa players had been called up for England at that time.the media ignored Villa almost to the last 4 games . They were certain that Ipswich would win the league. They wrote Liverpool off after wr beat them at home but all along they were only focussed on Ipswich.Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
I asked my Dad the same thing last night. He didn't really remember but I'm guessing when we were still in the mix at Xmas. I'd also guess there wasn't the same focus in the media (and online obviously) where the contenders are discussed in detail week in, week out.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 27, 2023, 02:13:32 PM
I think that's part of his shtick though. A bit like Roy Keane and Chris Sutton.Danny Murphy has been complimentary about us a quite a few times. I know he's a miserable git but tbh I think he's a decent pundit.
Agree he's not the worst, even though he doesn't seem keen on us. He does always look like he lost a pound and found a penny though.
Post by: olaftab on November 27, 2023, 05:18:51 PM
You can tell they don't like it up em, as Corporal Jones would say.
Post by: rob_bridge on November 27, 2023, 05:29:56 PM
QuoteI'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
I may of been wrong.
H&J just (who i usually really like) suggested we are a flash in the pan and they were not convinced - there is a common denominator - Spurs and Chelsea fans respectively who just happened to have been beaten at home this season by the mighty Villa
Oh and last season as well in case they think it was a fluke ;D
Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
We have 4 wins away from home v those pair London luvvies this calendar year.
1980/1 probably 2 weeks before we actually won it. Although I was only little at the time
Post by: eamonn on November 27, 2023, 06:44:08 PM
Danny Murphy has been complimentary about us a quite a few times. I know he's a miserable git but tbh I think he's a decent pundit.WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
I can never get beyond that face. It's more than miserable, it's almost disgust.
He looks like someone has put out the candles on his birthday cake by farting on them, then just as he's realising there are no more matches, that person has followed through.
Good grief! I wonder has this ever happened anywhere in the history of humanity. Probably to some poor bastard in Botswana in the early 1960s.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 27, 2023, 06:49:21 PM
He looks like someone has put out the candles on his birthday cake by farting on them, then just as he's realising there are no more matches, that person has followed through.
Good grief! I wonder has this ever happened anywhere in the history of humanity. Probably to some poor bastard in Botswana in the early 1960s.
You haven't read Rory's admissions in the 'Naive moments' thread?
Post by: johnc on November 27, 2023, 06:50:14 PM
I might be a miserablist but this does remind me a little bit of that season under Gregory when we were top at Christmas before falling away to 6th. Now, in terms of the coach there is no comparison. But in terms of the squad strength I think it does. The team is getting results on what looks like empty - a great trait to have. But, I cannot help but have this nagging feeling that we are two or three short still. We need to sign Muzzy Izzet as soon as the window opens.And Benny McCarthy as back up for Watkins
Post by: VillaTim on November 27, 2023, 07:12:18 PM
Listening to Hawksbee and Jacobs with Danny Kelly this afternoon I noted that the tone is slightly changing towards the Villa now that we are no longer the soft and cuddly hard luck well played didn't deserve to lose type of team. I think there are two Spurs and a chelsea fan in that trio and Spurs guys couldn't understand why they didn't win and Chelsea fans said "there is nothing much about the Villa, saw them win at our place and the main difference is Villa have a goal scorer nothing else"i don't know who he is but without doing any further research he sounds like a bell end
You can tell they don't like it up em, as Corporal Jones would say.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 27, 2023, 07:20:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 27, 2023, 07:34:05 PM
Listening to Hawksbee and Jacobs with Danny Kelly this afternoon...
i don't know who he is but without doing any further research he sounds like a bell end
Not a Talksport listener, but I believe he likes a bit of polemic and is prone to offering opinions without substance, mostly just to get a reaction.
Post by: Holte132 on November 27, 2023, 07:52:24 PM
the media ignored Villa almost to the last 4 games . They were certain that Ipswich would win the league. They wrote Liverpool off after wr beat them at home but all along they were only focussed on Ipswich.Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
I asked my Dad the same thing last night. He didn't really remember but I'm guessing when we were still in the mix at Xmas. I'd also guess there wasn't the same focus in the media (and online obviously) where the contenders are discussed in detail week in, week out.
Never forget that we didn't actually win the league. It was Ipswich that lost it. After all, we lost our final game, so that proves it - or so supporters of other clubs said at the time
Post by: FrankyH on November 27, 2023, 08:01:01 PM
the media ignored Villa almost to the last 4 games . They were certain that Ipswich would win the league. They wrote Liverpool off after wr beat them at home but all along they were only focussed on Ipswich.Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
I asked my Dad the same thing last night. He didn't really remember but I'm guessing when we were still in the mix at Xmas. I'd also guess there wasn't the same focus in the media (and online obviously) where the contenders are discussed in detail week in, week out.
I am pretty sure Jimmy Greaves was a rare pundit who could see Villa had a squad capable of winning The Boat Race © Ron Saunders
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 27, 2023, 08:41:12 PM
I was 26 at the time and hardly missed a game. 2 weeks is about right though. Speaking with Sir Dennis last year he said they knew they stood the best chance of the title after the Liverpool game...and I think an awful lot of us thought exactly the same!QuoteI'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
I may of been wrong.
H&J just (who i usually really like) suggested we are a flash in the pan and they were not convinced - there is a common denominator - Spurs and Chelsea fans respectively who just happened to have been beaten at home this season by the mighty Villa
Oh and last season as well in case they think it was a fluke ;D
Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
We have 4 wins away from home v those pair London luvvies this calendar year.
1980/1 probably 2 weeks before we actually won it. Although I was only little at the time
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 27, 2023, 08:44:11 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 27, 2023, 09:44:05 PM
I was 26 at the time and hardly missed a game. 2 weeks is about right though. Speaking with Sir Dennis last year he said they knew they stood the best chance of the title after the Liverpool game...and I think an awful lot of us thought exactly the same!QuoteI'm sure Warnock said he'd watched some training sessions with us in the summer, then came out with that prediction that none of his colleagues did. So it was an informed opinion from an ex-pro, something totally absent from his peers.
Although this tastes like shit in my mouth - after our big loss at Newcastle the redfacedcnut Fergiscum came out with a comment that he thought were a great team - i actually thought he was taking the piss.
I may of been wrong.
H&J just (who i usually really like) suggested we are a flash in the pan and they were not convinced - there is a common denominator - Spurs and Chelsea fans respectively who just happened to have been beaten at home this season by the mighty Villa
Oh and last season as well in case they think it was a fluke ;D
Question to older Villa fans with better memories.
At what point in 1980/1 did the penny drop with the media that we were a real threat to winning the league?
We have 4 wins away from home v those pair London luvvies this calendar year.
1980/1 probably 2 weeks before we actually won it. Although I was only little at the time
My recollection is that game brought us to the fore with the national press that we were serious contenders.
I also remember Frank McGee I’m the Mirror (IIRC) praising us to the hilt and saying we were going to be a big force that season after we lost 1-0 at Ipswich in September that season.
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 27, 2023, 10:27:25 PM
is it because he's got no choice now we are in the top 4 he couldn't help slagging us off every weekDanny Murphy has been complimentary about us a quite a few times. I know he's a miserable git but tbh I think he's a decent pundit.WTF's happened to Danny Mills? Couldn't stop praising Vila tonight.
It was Danny Murphy Dave, so rest easy everyone, Danny Mills is still an absolute bellend.
Post by: Rory on November 27, 2023, 10:39:35 PM
He looks like someone has put out the candles on his birthday cake by farting on them, then just as he's realising there are no more matches, that person has followed through.
Good grief! I wonder has this ever happened anywhere in the history of humanity. Probably to some poor bastard in Botswana in the early 1960s.
You haven't read Rory's admissions in the 'Naive moments' thread?
It was VERY naive of me to fart on that cake. I see that now.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 27, 2023, 10:43:33 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 27, 2023, 10:56:14 PM
Danny Kelly is a very decent broadcaster.
I used to like listening to him and Danny Baker, but the last few years, DK has had a serious "never knowing when to shut the fuck up and let someone else speak for a change" problem.
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 27, 2023, 11:03:01 PM
Listening to Hawksbee and Jacobs with Danny Kelly this afternoon I noted that the tone is slightly changing towards the Villa now that we are no longer the soft and cuddly hard luck well played didn't deserve to lose type of team. I think there are two Spurs and a chelsea fan in that trio and Spurs guys couldn't understand why they didn't win and Chelsea fans said "there is nothing much about the Villa, saw them win at our place and the main difference is Villa have a goal scorer nothing else"i don't know who he is but without doing any further research he sounds like a bell end
You can tell they don't like it up em, as Corporal Jones would say.
Probably best to do the research then. Danny Kelly is fine and Hawksby and Jacobs are decent broadcasters. They are normally even handed, though Andy Jacobs (Chelsea) has said a few times over last month or so he doesn’t think Villa are anything special. To be fair today Kelly was a bit twitched, admitted we are a good side but said the Cash foul changed the game. Hawksbey the other spurs fan was a lot more even handed.
Post by: olaftab on November 29, 2023, 09:32:42 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 29, 2023, 10:44:53 AM
"I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line"
Simple thinking that One Game defines a season. It's a One show thing.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on November 29, 2023, 10:57:28 AM
Jermaine Jenas on BBC Sport after Villa beat Spurs.
"I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line"
Simple thinking that One Game defines a season. It's a One show thing.
Its a ludicrous statement to make. That "second string" Tottenham team was assembled at a cost of over 70 million quid more than the team we put out, and would still be the envy of pretty much every team in the bottom half of the table
Post by: LeeB on November 29, 2023, 11:01:47 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 29, 2023, 11:03:24 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 29, 2023, 11:25:01 AM
As for Jenas, "I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line"
By that I take it that he thought we were favourites to win at the start, I very much doubt it? Winning by one goal is only just getting over the line is it? Maybe they should put a little asterisk next to the result on the Beeb web site, Spurs 1 v Villa 2*
* = only just got over the line, not impressive.
Post by: dave shelley on November 29, 2023, 12:42:00 PM
They had a centre half with 49 too many England caps sat on the bench.
FTFY.
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2023, 06:18:13 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 29, 2023, 10:27:30 PM
Post by: Simon Page on November 30, 2023, 05:31:22 PM
Quote
We asked you whether you thought Aston Villa's current squad is the best in the club's history.
Sometimes I wish they'd just stop and think for a second. Is a squad that has risen nicely over a year but is yet to - or even look like they will imminently - win anything the best in a trophy-laden 150-year history?
Post by: IFWaters on November 30, 2023, 05:42:59 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 30, 2023, 05:59:42 PM
The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2023, 06:04:31 PM
Post by: Ian. on November 30, 2023, 06:29:20 PM
Are you forgetting Villa legend Jenas?
I forget he played for us, then I remember he never really played for anyone.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 30, 2023, 07:46:04 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on November 30, 2023, 07:50:01 PM
Are you forgetting Villa legend Jenas?
I forget he played for us, then I remember he never really played for anyone.
Yes indeed, the word "played" is, to coin a phrase, doing some heavy lifting there.
Post by: IFWaters on November 30, 2023, 10:36:02 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on November 30, 2023, 10:38:16 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on November 30, 2023, 11:32:28 PM
Not Match of the Day, but idiocy at BBC Sport. Just noticed this speak your brains gem on the Villa page:QuoteWe asked you whether you thought Aston Villa's current squad is the best in the club's history.
Sometimes I wish they'd just stop and think for a second. Is a squad that has risen nicely over a year but is yet to - or even look like they will imminently - win anything the best in a trophy-laden 150-year history?
I saw that. It arose from the (I’m not a fan, the podcast feels rather smug/I’m in charge you are my lackies) MOMS BBC column. In fact I didn’t even need to go back to source, they actually did quote it when asking the question:
Quote
Is Villa's squad the best in club's history?
Have your say
BBC Sport's Aston Villa fan contributor David Michael has argued that the Villans' matchday squad could be the best in the club's history in terms of "quality of depth".
Villa fans, we want to hear from you. Do you think Unai Emery's men make up the strongest squad yet - or is that a step too far? What other squads could take the top spot?
Let us know your thoughts here
I think arguing it might be our greatest squad depth isn’t as crazy as best ever squad, or at least it’s a lot clearer.
Post by: Pat McMahon on November 30, 2023, 11:38:56 PM
The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
Where is / was the Tommy Tiernan show - RTE?
Post by: Rory on December 01, 2023, 01:26:52 AM
The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
Where is / was the Tommy Tiernan show - RTE?
There's quite a few episodes on Youtube.
Post by: CorkVilla on December 01, 2023, 05:23:39 AM
The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
Where is / was the Tommy Tiernan show - RTE?
On the very rare occasions I have heard Paul do pundit work I actually thought he was very good, but he obviously feels it's not for him.
Post by: Baldy on December 01, 2023, 08:38:31 AM
The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
In fairness, apart from Liverpool, I think Villa must nearly have the most ex players as pundits on a few media outlets. As follows:
Dubin, Jenas, Joe Cole, Keown, Saunders, Gabby, Lescott, Keane, Townsend, Ginola, Warnock, Houghton, Merson, Micah, Schmeichel, Hendrie, Yorke and probably a few others I can't remember.
Post by: AV84 on December 01, 2023, 08:40:36 AM
The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
Where is / was the Tommy Tiernan show - RTE?
It's a weird old show. If you believe the set up, he's not told who he's interviewing before they come out, and then he just wings it. Leads to some really interesting chats right enough.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 01, 2023, 12:59:08 PM
The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
In fairness, apart from Liverpool, I think Villa must nearly have the most ex players as pundits on a few media outlets. As follows:
Dubin, Jenas, Joe Cole, Keown, Saunders, Gabby, Lescott, Keane, Townsend, Ginola, Warnock, Houghton, Merson, Micah, Schmeichel, Hendrie, Yorke and probably a few others I can't remember.
Dublin loves Villa. Saunders and Gabby are dire regardless of love. Townsend has liking for us . Merson defo and Hendrie too
The rest have little association or want of one to Villa. They have time for us. Although only the bellend Micah bad mouths the club
Post by: Somniloquism on December 01, 2023, 01:01:02 PM
The number of ex-player pundits from Midlands clubs is criminally low ..... Where is the wisdom of God himself on any media?
I don't think it's something he'd want to do. As he said himself on The Tommy Tiernan Show, "I'm kind of a shy human being".
In fairness, apart from Liverpool, I think Villa must nearly have the most ex players as pundits on a few media outlets. As follows:
Dubin, Jenas, Joe Cole, Keown, Saunders, Gabby, Lescott, Keane, Townsend, Ginola, Warnock, Houghton, Merson, Micah, Schmeichel, Hendrie, Yorke and probably a few others I can't remember.
Dublin loves Villa. Saunders and Gabby are dire regardless of love. Townsend has liking for us . Merson defo and Hendrie too
The rest have little association or want of one to Villa. They have time for us. Although only the bellend Micah bad mouths the club
He wasn't like that on the podcast / MOTD team zoom call they seem to do after the weekend.
Post by: Mellin on December 02, 2023, 10:08:57 PM
Wilson been dismissive of us all season. Not sure how five wins and two losses at St James' and Anfield is inconsistent, but whatever. Fuck him. Villa are coming.
One of us. One of us. One of us.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2023/dec/02/even-if-aston-villa-slip-off-the-title-pace-unai-emery-has-shown-his-true-worth
Post by: Exeter 77 on December 02, 2023, 10:12:34 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 02, 2023, 10:47:55 PM
Post by: Matt C on December 02, 2023, 10:52:56 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 03, 2023, 01:01:42 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 03, 2023, 01:13:39 AM
What about that buffalo, Glendenning (he is from Laois, isn't he?)?
You know well where he's from. As an aside, I've yet to hear a BBC news reporter try to pronounce 'Laois'. I'm guessing it would be some bastardisation of 'Laos'.
Post by: Risso on December 03, 2023, 08:39:19 AM
Post by: eamonn on December 03, 2023, 10:57:50 AM
Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Now, what about the name "Ger"? Mr Regan of this parish allegedly cut short his time in the UK due to the consistent bastardisation of it. Imagine being growled at every time someone called you.
Post by: Risso on December 03, 2023, 11:01:04 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 03, 2023, 11:10:09 AM
Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Now, what about the name "Ger"? Mr Regan of this parish allegedly cut short his time in the UK due to the consistent bastardisation of it. Imagine being growled at every time someone called you.
But that's not even an Irish name, it's just a shortened English(?) name.
Post by: The Edge on December 03, 2023, 11:13:08 AM
Post by: Martyn Smith on December 03, 2023, 12:06:36 PM
Are you forgetting Villa legend Jenas?
I forget he played for us, then I remember he never really played for anyone.
His best years were definitely his early ones. He had 21 England caps by the age of 26. Then the injuries started. Spurs loaned us out a crock there, more fool us for taking it up...
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 03, 2023, 12:21:33 PM
Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Risso may have it spot on but when the BBC pronounce Tuam as "TOO-am" and Ballina as "Bah-LEE-na", I'm not convinced they'd get it correct.
Post by: AV84 on December 03, 2023, 12:28:13 PM
Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Risso may have it spot on but when the BBC pronounce Tuam as "TOO-am" and Ballina as "Bah-LEE-na", I'm not convinced they'd get it correct.
There was a play on Broadway for a while, fairly well known writer, semi famous cast, it was called Outside Mullingar. They were pronouncing it Muh-linger. (Wild Mountain Thyme with Jamie Dornan and Emily Blunt was the film adaptation of it)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 03, 2023, 12:31:14 PM
Risso may have it spot on but when the BBC pronounce Tuam as "TOO-am" and Ballina as "Bah-LEE-na", I'm not convinced they'd get it correct.
There was a play on Broadway for a while, fairly well known writer, semi famous cast, it was called Outside Mullingar. They were pronouncing it Muh-linger. (Wild Mountain Thyme with Jamie Dornan and Emily Blunt was the film adaptation of it)
Yeah, I've also heard them making a hames of saying Mullingar as well.
Post by: AV84 on December 03, 2023, 12:35:56 PM
Risso may have it spot on but when the BBC pronounce Tuam as "TOO-am" and Ballina as "Bah-LEE-na", I'm not convinced they'd get it correct.
There was a play on Broadway for a while, fairly well known writer, semi famous cast, it was called Outside Mullingar. They were pronouncing it Muh-linger. (Wild Mountain Thyme with Jamie Dornan and Emily Blunt was the film adaptation of it)
Yeah, I've also heard them making a hames of saying Mullingar as well.
It's kind of funny given these names are the anglicised versions of the real Irish place names, and yet they still can't pronounce them.
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 03, 2023, 12:37:08 PM
Risso may have it spot on but when the BBC pronounce Tuam as "TOO-am" and Ballina as "Bah-LEE-na", I'm not convinced they'd get it correct.
There was a play on Broadway for a while, fairly well known writer, semi famous cast, it was called Outside Mullingar. They were pronouncing it Muh-linger. (Wild Mountain Thyme with Jamie Dornan and Emily Blunt was the film adaptation of it)
Yeah, I've also heard them making a hames of saying Mullingar as well.
I like the way that Midlands is prounced so differently in England and Ireland
Post by: AV84 on December 03, 2023, 12:37:49 PM
And the next time I hear some commentator say "Luca Dinya" I'm going to smash my TV.
How is it said? I've searched for him saying his own name and can only find 2 where he says his first name, and he pronounces the s. So Lucas, not Luca.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 03, 2023, 12:53:53 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 03, 2023, 12:57:08 PM
I like the way that Midlands is prounced so differently in England and Ireland
That's interesting, I hadn't really noticed a big difference. More emphasis on the 'Mid' in Ireland?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 03, 2023, 01:02:26 PM
I like the way that Midlands is prounced so differently in England and Ireland
That's interesting, I hadn't really noticed a big difference. More emphasis on the 'Mid' in Ireland?
No, more on the 'LANDS'. It's more MIDlnds here.
Post by: dave shelley on December 03, 2023, 01:02:47 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 03, 2023, 01:26:37 PM
Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Now, what about the name "Ger"? Mr Regan of this parish allegedly cut short his time in the UK due to the consistent bastardisation of it. Imagine being growled at every time someone called you.
But that's not even an Irish name, it's just a shortened English(?) name.
I know/know of dozens of Irish males with the name "Ger", especially popular in the 50-75 year old generation. I've never met a Gerard from the UK who shortens his name like that - Jerry sure, never Ger.
Again, shown by how British people react to pronouncing "Ger" as a "Grrrr" instead of "Jer", every feckin' time.
It's how my girlfriend pronounced my Dad's name during the week and I nearly split up with her.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 03, 2023, 01:33:22 PM
Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Now, what about the name "Ger"? Mr Regan of this parish allegedly cut short his time in the UK due to the consistent bastardisation of it. Imagine being growled at every time someone called you.
But that's not even an Irish name, it's just a shortened English(?) name.
I know/know of dozens of Irish males with the name "Ger", especially popular in the 50-75 year old generation. I've never met a Gerard from the UK who shortens his name like that - Jerry sure, never Ger.
Again, shown by how British people react to pronouncing "Ger" as a "Grrrr" instead of "Jer", every feckin' time.
It's how my girlfriend pronounced my Dad's name during the week and I nearly split up with her.
It's not common around here at all, it's nearly always Gerry (or Gerard).
Post by: eamonn on December 03, 2023, 02:14:47 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 03, 2023, 02:18:26 PM
Well, the midlands is a peculiar place ;)
Quite possibly, we even pronounce it MID-lands here. :)
Post by: Rory on December 07, 2023, 12:41:48 AM
Post by: Pete3206 on December 07, 2023, 12:43:08 AM
Post by: Mellin on December 07, 2023, 12:45:53 AM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 07, 2023, 12:57:50 AM
I thought that pearces commentary was very sedate in contrast with the atmosphere and the quality of the game, he barely seemed bothered about what he was watching
Still got in his obligatory mention of the Holte End being in fine voice though.
Post by: Rory on December 07, 2023, 01:11:53 AM
I thought that pearces commentary was very sedate in contrast with the atmosphere and the quality of the game, he barely seemed bothered about what he was watching
I think they must've turned the background sounds down. I was just going by what was said, which was enormously complimentary compared to the Tottenham game.
Our performance level was much higher today, granted, but short of Chapman getting his cock out and cracking one off, I don't think the Manchester-based media could've been much more positive about us.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 07, 2023, 01:54:17 PM
I am still shaking - cannot wait to get home, break out a single malt or 3 and watch the entire game again ;)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 07, 2023, 01:57:27 PM
Would be akin to an art critic giving The Starry Night a 3/10. Sometimes you're left with no option.
Although that wasn't particulalrly well received at the time.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 07, 2023, 02:03:50 PM
I thought that pearces commentary was very sedate in contrast with the atmosphere and the quality of the game, he barely seemed bothered about what he was watching
I think they must've turned the background sounds down. I was just going by what was said, which was enormously complimentary compared to the Tottenham game.
Our performance level was much higher today, granted, but short of Chapman getting his cock out and cracking one off, I don't think the Manchester-based media could've been much more positive about us.
MOTD is a highlights programme. The Prime live showing apparently had the atmosphere audible. I’ve had fans of other teams telling me how great it sounded.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 03:04:53 PM
Post by: DB on December 07, 2023, 03:08:14 PM
I thought that pearces commentary was very sedate in contrast with the atmosphere and the quality of the game, he barely seemed bothered about what he was watching
I think they must've turned the background sounds down. I was just going by what was said, which was enormously complimentary compared to the Tottenham game.
Our performance level was much higher today, granted, but short of Chapman getting his cock out and cracking one off, I don't think the Manchester-based media could've been much more positive about us.
MOTD is a highlights programme. The Prime live showing apparently had the atmosphere audible. I’ve had fans of other teams telling me how great it sounded.
Sounded like he was commenting from.a.studio and not actually at the match is was so sedate.
Post by: Chap on December 09, 2023, 12:14:17 PM
Post by: Ger Regan on December 09, 2023, 03:42:26 PM
Late to the party on this, but i'm not even the only Ger in my company. When i worked in london my director went for the Grrrr pronounciation of my name, but it went on so long i couldn't really correct him.Isn't it just "Leesh"?
It is.
Now, what about the name "Ger"? Mr Regan of this parish allegedly cut short his time in the UK due to the consistent bastardisation of it. Imagine being growled at every time someone called you.
But that's not even an Irish name, it's just a shortened English(?) name.
I know/know of dozens of Irish males with the name "Ger", especially popular in the 50-75 year old generation. I've never met a Gerard from the UK who shortens his name like that - Jerry sure, never Ger.
Again, shown by how British people react to pronouncing "Ger" as a "Grrrr" instead of "Jer", every feckin' time.
It's how my girlfriend pronounced my Dad's name during the week and I nearly split up with her.
Post by: VillaTim on December 09, 2023, 10:54:14 PM
I did tell ya
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Post by: PaulWinch again on December 09, 2023, 11:26:20 PM
Ian Wright showing his true colours for sure . Twat
He’s not a “twat” though is he? He and Lineakar are both wrong in terms of we should want more goals. But difference of opinion doesn’t mean they’re worthy of insult.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 09, 2023, 11:29:21 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 09, 2023, 11:30:28 PM
Ian Wright showing his true colours for sure . Twat
He had the same handball complaint against Bournemouth's one. But I wouldn't doubt he would think it was a pen. I mentioned myself that we had seen them given and not seen them given. I think Lineker had it right that if the ref had given it, VAR would have agreed. In this case he didn't, probably because he said he had seen it and didn't think it was anything much with the striker losing control, and VAR couldn't find that clear and obviously wrong.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 09, 2023, 11:36:42 PM
Ian Wright showing his true colours for sure . Twat
He’s not a “twat” though is he? He and Lineakar are both wrong in terms of we should want more goals. But difference of opinion doesn’t mean they’re worthy of insult.
I do wonder how many goals have been given by VAR and how many have been disallowed. Any stats out there with just those figures? I would guess offsides would mean more disallowed but not by much.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 09, 2023, 11:37:06 PM
I don’t think it was have a go at us day. More about the rules. On this occasion. I don’t really care though I prefer us under the radar.
Yup I think it’s a complaint about the rules, rather than the decision itself. I think they’re wrong on that anyway, but it’s not really a dispute on this decision.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 09, 2023, 11:52:35 PM
Ian Wright is being a very sulky child on MOTD tonight.
'Wrighty' might be an alright guy but he's a lazy, unprofessional pundit. With Arsenal it's always 'we' and 'us', and "analysis" that's totally one-eyed. He thought the Jesus flop was a penalty (it wasn't) but the Palace one wasn't (maybe not but more contact than the Jesus one) because the officials "don't know what they're doing". The last time he covered us, we won because we were "fit, fit, fit" even though most on here thought we were a bit leggy in the second half.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 09, 2023, 11:58:02 PM
no mention of villas record run on MOTD, no real analysis of the goal and the 10 players involved in what was an absolute thing of beauty . If Arsenal had scored a goal like that Lineker would have been needing armbands to float in Wrighty's spunk
Ewww
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 12:01:40 AM
he uses soundbites he needs to keep his core audience on side, the bloke has sold his sole for $$$ , even works for M&S and other big namesIan Wright is being a very sulky child on MOTD tonight.
'Wrighty' might be an alright guy but he's a lazy, unprofessional pundit. With Arsenal it's always 'we' and 'us', and "analysis" that's totally one-eyed. He thought the Jesus flop was a penalty (it wasn't) but the Palace one wasn't (maybe not but more contact than the Jesus one) because the officials "don't know what they're doing". The last time he covered us, we won because we were "fit, fit, fit" even though most on here thought we were a bit leggy in the second half.
Post by: Ads on December 10, 2023, 12:02:24 AM
Post by: SoccerHQ on December 10, 2023, 12:03:07 AM
If we're still catching Saka off regularly (on the rare occasions he wasn't rolling around on the floor) then clearly we're just very very good at timing it aren't we Ian?
You'd never guess he played in a George Graham team.
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Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 12:09:59 AM
Ian Wright is OK. He may be biased toward Arsenal but that's not a crime. We're all biased toward Villa. He's been very complimentary about the club and the city. I think he's a good guy.the bloke is a fucking one eyed gooner idiot
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2023, 12:10:39 AM
he uses soundbites he needs to keep his core audience on side, the bloke has sold his sole for $$$ , even works for M&S and other big namesIan Wright is being a very sulky child on MOTD tonight.
'Wrighty' might be an alright guy but he's a lazy, unprofessional pundit. With Arsenal it's always 'we' and 'us', and "analysis" that's totally one-eyed. He thought the Jesus flop was a penalty (it wasn't) but the Palace one wasn't (maybe not but more contact than the Jesus one) because the officials "don't know what they're doing". The last time he covered us, we won because we were "fit, fit, fit" even though most on here thought we were a bit leggy in the second half.
From M&S he probably gets new shoes to replace the ruined ones, or maybe it is fish he is selling for $$$.
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 10, 2023, 12:19:42 AM
Post by: Gareth on December 10, 2023, 12:32:05 AM
Ian Wright is OK. He may be biased toward Arsenal but that's not a crime. We're all biased toward Villa. He's been very complimentary about the club and the city. I think he's a good guy.the bloke is a fucking one eyed gooner idiot
Substitute the word gooner for Villa and would cover a lot of us off here too
Post by: Ads on December 10, 2023, 12:40:40 AM
He's a dire pundit. The sicknote next to him is too. Neville and Carragher are myopic too, but at least they say something worth listening to.
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 12:40:55 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on December 10, 2023, 12:48:42 AM
no mention of villas record run on MOTD, no real analysis of the goal and the 10 players involved in what was an absolute thing of beauty . If Arsenal had scored a goal like that Lineker would have been needing armbands to float in Wrighty's spunk
Ha ha! You’ve made me spit my beer out!
Post by: Rory on December 10, 2023, 12:49:44 AM
Ian Wright is being a very sulky child on MOTD tonight.
'Wrighty' might be an alright guy but he's a lazy, unprofessional pundit. With Arsenal it's always 'we' and 'us', and "analysis" that's totally one-eyed. He thought the Jesus flop was a penalty (it wasn't) but the Palace one wasn't (maybe not but more contact than the Jesus one) because the officials "don't know what they're doing". The last time he covered us, we won because we were "fit, fit, fit" even though most on here thought we were a bit leggy in the second half.
Yeah, I'd go with this. I like him, but as soon as I saw he was on I knew we wouldn't be getting objective, reasoned analysis.
His "worst law of all laws" comment, while presumably meant to be tongue-in-cheek, absolutely belonged on fanzines and forums, not on a programme that claims to be impartial.
I didn't particularly care, because the sulking of Arsenal fans makes our victory all the sweeter, but ffs Ian, you're on the telly, get a grip, mate.
Post by: tomd2103 on December 10, 2023, 12:55:14 AM
Ian Wright is OK. He may be biased toward Arsenal but that's not a crime. We're all biased toward Villa. He's been very complimentary about the club and the city. I think he's a good guy.the bloke is a fucking one eyed gooner idiot
Substitute the word gooner for Villa and would cover a lot of us off here too
We're not being paid a tidy wedge to.appear on national TV and provide informed analysis on games though.
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 12:56:51 AM
what he said tonight is sackable
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2023, 12:59:23 AM
he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
And you say Liverpool and Arsenal fans over react???
Post by: Gareth on December 10, 2023, 01:12:59 AM
he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
It was an opinion…deluded maybe but was an opinion. Sackable is nonsense, Wright being biased over Jenas saying absolutely nothing about anything all day long
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 01:17:36 AM
he said it was the worst law ever invented . I get it Ian , Arsenal lost to Aston Villa . But be responsible with comments , it's a silly one .he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
It was an opinion…deluded maybe but was an opinion. Sackable is nonsense, Wright being biased over Jenas saying absolutely nothing about anything all day long
Post by: Gareth on December 10, 2023, 01:20:10 AM
he said it was the worst law ever invented . I get it Ian , Arsenal lost to Aston Villa . But be responsible with comments , it's a silly one .he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
It was an opinion…deluded maybe but was an opinion. Sackable is nonsense, Wright being biased over Jenas saying absolutely nothing about anything all day long
Silly absolutely…sackable no
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 01:25:42 AM
he's seen the Villa and he should hence forth fuck off home, 8)he said it was the worst law ever invented . I get it Ian , Arsenal lost to Aston Villa . But be responsible with comments , it's a silly one .he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
It was an opinion…deluded maybe but was an opinion. Sackable is nonsense, Wright being biased over Jenas saying absolutely nothing about anything all day long
Silly absolutely…sackable no
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 10, 2023, 07:58:16 AM
he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
Eyerolling maybe, sackable? Come on now.
Post by: Clampy on December 10, 2023, 08:17:08 AM
he's on the BBC a tax payer funded channel , there comes a responsibility .
what he said tonight is sackable
Dont be ridiculous. This is football, not politics.
Post by: IFWaters on December 10, 2023, 08:46:18 AM
As for the 'analysis' what you will never ever hear from an ex player is whats so obvious to all of us, the players cheat and simulate all the time then surround and intimidate the ref to try to bully him into getting their way and the managers encourage it, esp true of Arsenal. Take when Luiz made contact with I think Jesus, well yeah he made contact but then Jesus threw himself to the ground, its cheating. The delay between the kick and Jesus tumbling is obvious and the way he fell is unnatural, they always tumble - never flat on their face. The ex player pundits never call it out, its like a players union thing to protect their own.
Post by: FatSam on December 10, 2023, 08:52:05 AM
Ian Wright is OK. He may be biased toward Arsenal but that's not a crime. We're all biased toward Villa. He's been very complimentary about the club and the city. I think he's a good guy.Agreed
Post by: N'ZMAV on December 10, 2023, 08:54:01 AM
Post by: Risso on December 10, 2023, 09:06:57 AM
And to pour more scorn on the BBC's football reporting, the post match interviewer had his tongue so far up Arteta's arse I bet he could taste his liver. Practically begging him to moan about the decisions given against him, as if the BBC bloke himself had decided they were wrong.
Post by: dicedlam on December 10, 2023, 09:15:41 AM
As for Lineker, he should watch his back, because I reckon the BBC have Jenas lined up to replace him at some point.
Post by: Ian. on December 10, 2023, 09:21:04 AM
I like Ian Wright, he loves Arsenal and that’s ok with me. I’m glad he was was pissed off though. It meant we won!
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 10, 2023, 09:28:33 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 10, 2023, 09:29:16 AM
Our goal was outstanding, I’m not sure how many passes and how many different players were involved but they only showed part of that goal and not the full passage of play. They could have discussed this in more detail. That’s my only bugbear.
I like Ian Wright, he loves Arsenal and that’s ok with me. I’m glad he was was pissed off though. It meant we won!
Yea i don’t really have a problem with Ian Wright or his love for Arsenal, he’s normally fairly even handed. He’s got more credibility for me than Jenas who talks a lot of shite, like the arrogance of the Spurs comments a couple of weeks ago.
Saying that i thought the coverage wasn't great last night, focusing on correct decisions and undermining them.
Post by: Risso on December 10, 2023, 09:35:25 AM
Honestly, when they're having the production meeting for the key points to take from our game, how on earth did they decide that Lineker's views on VAR would be the thing to focus on? Not us winning 15 home games in a row, or beating the league leaders in the same week as last year's champions? Or that there's a new team potentially disrupting the usual top clubs for the first time since Leicester? It's just lazy, piss poor TV.
Post by: LeeB on December 10, 2023, 09:44:04 AM
The pundits can support who they like, it shouldn't mean though that one team gets virtually ignored. If I wanted to see an idiot spouting shite about Arsenal I'd watch that Arsenal Fan TV nonsense on Youtube.
Honestly, when they're having the production meeting for the key points to take from our game, how on earth did they decide that Lineker's views on VAR would be the thing to focus on? Not us winning 15 home games in a row, or beating the league leaders in the same week as last year's champions? Or that there's a new team potentially disrupting the usual top clubs for the first time since Leicester? It's just lazy, piss poor TV.
It is, but then I think ‘great, we’re under their skin’. We get pats on the back until we start turning their favourites over.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2023, 10:02:38 AM
This week, and against Spurs, both times the opposition had good chances to win, and potentially decisions that have had decisions which could have turned the match go against them, so of course those were the topics. The main mistakes for me were Linekar deciding to have his VAR should be removed rant when neither decision was given by VAR but the on-field referee, and Wrights crap spouted at the very end.
For the penalty claim, I actually agreed with Linekar that if the ref had given it VAR wouldn't have over turned it, that it wasn't clear and obvious one way or the other to override the refs call. However as MOTD is deleted after a week, I can't find his takes on the multiple decisions against Wolves this season that were given. These even led to Webb stating some were wrong and reminding VAR that they can overrule the on field ref decision of penalty if the contact is minor / accidental.
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 10:11:58 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 10, 2023, 10:13:37 AM
Post by: Chap on December 10, 2023, 10:15:58 AM
Worth noting commentator said Havertz pretty much caught it.The only one on MOTD last night that wasn’t watching though rose tinted/agenda based spectacles.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2023, 10:28:21 AM
10 players involved in our goal, a scintillating move and it wasn't even analysed on MOTD. The narrative was all about Arsenal being hard done by. Anyway I'm glad we ruined their script.
They their analysis of us on the role of McGinn in attack, defence and scoring, they then did the analysis of Arsenal on their failures in attack, then finally discussed the potential VAR issues. Seemed a normal layout for MOTD, but for the couple of over the top statements at the end which I mentioned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67673647
Post by: Dave on December 10, 2023, 10:50:24 AM
And to pour more scorn on the BBC's football reporting, the post match interviewer had his tongue so far up Arteta's arse I bet he could taste his liver. Practically begging him to moan about the decisions given against him, as if the BBC bloke himself had decided they were wrong.
I thought he was trying to Bill Grundy him.
Post by: Pete3206 on December 10, 2023, 10:51:43 AM
It was a clear and obvious dive you massive wanker.
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 11:01:32 AM
they did not cover the full 10 man move for our goal. If Spurs had scored that goal they'd have done 5 minutes on it10 players involved in our goal, a scintillating move and it wasn't even analysed on MOTD. The narrative was all about Arsenal being hard done by. Anyway I'm glad we ruined their script.
They their analysis of us on the role of McGinn in attack, defence and scoring, they then did the analysis of Arsenal on their failures in attack, then finally discussed the potential VAR issues. Seemed a normal layout for MOTD, but for the couple of over the top statements at the end which I mentioned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67673647
Post by: remy on December 10, 2023, 12:41:17 PM
PATHETIC.
The narrative is so biased it might aswell be arse-tv.
Where is insightful analysis - Luiz v Rice, 15 matches at home, SUE factor, highlight of McGinn or Carlos, the subs, the offside traps instead a we should have won wankfeat from twat wright.
Post by: Pete3206 on December 10, 2023, 12:47:53 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 10, 2023, 01:25:14 PM
The handball should not have been given and Wrighty, who I normally like has a bad case of sour grapes there. Needs to have a word with himself really, he is there in a professional capacity. It seemed to me that it touched the forwards hand at least three times before it was bundled over the line, the ball would have changed path / direction each time and therefore to allow it would have been ridiculous.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 10, 2023, 01:37:54 PM
Therefore, the ball was controlled by hand/arm, not another part of the body.
Disallowed was the correct decision, and redeemed the Ref for other match incidents that where in Arsenals favour, and not according to the rules - shirt pulling being the main culprit.
Post by: Chris Harte on December 10, 2023, 01:41:07 PM
The handball - put it this way, if his hands where behind his back, like most defenders do these days, would the ball have stayed where it was for so long before falling at his feet - No.Spot on, Neil.
Therefore, the ball was controlled by hand/arm, not another part of the body.
Disallowed was the correct decision, and redeemed the Ref for other match incidents that where in Arsenals favour, and not according to the rules - shirt pulling being the main culprit.
Up until the handball it really felt like we were playing against twelve men.
Post by: danno on December 10, 2023, 01:42:05 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2023, 01:42:46 PM
they did not cover the full 10 man move for our goal. If Spurs had scored that goal they'd have done 5 minutes on it10 players involved in our goal, a scintillating move and it wasn't even analysed on MOTD. The narrative was all about Arsenal being hard done by. Anyway I'm glad we ruined their script.
They their analysis of us on the role of McGinn in attack, defence and scoring, they then did the analysis of Arsenal on their failures in attack, then finally discussed the potential VAR issues. Seemed a normal layout for MOTD, but for the couple of over the top statements at the end which I mentioned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67673647
No one covered it on anywhere apart from a few mentions on here post match. Nothing on Sky or many in the match thread. Even the extended highlights PWS found started at the same time as the BBC footage. Even you never mentioned it last night here until you saw the same link in the match thread 15 minutes after it was posted. As I mentioned, the normal MOTD breakdown is pointing out something from one team, something from another and then a general pick of contentious decisions of which Arse had two and we had none. They did almost 2 minutes on McGinn, then almost two minutes on Arsenal being poor in attacking, then obviously the VAR thing for Jesus which took another 40 seconds, of which the opinion of one was definite pen, the opinion of another was not a pen and two stating, we have seen them given but VAR was going with the onfield decision as not clear error.
It is amazing how we want everything covered for us, but forget the McGinn coverage because that was at the start and just see it being biased against us with no mention of Villa.
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 02:20:54 PM
and Sky would have done a two-part documentary on itthey did not cover the full 10 man move for our goal. If Spurs had scored that goal they'd have done 5 minutes on it10 players involved in our goal, a scintillating move and it wasn't even analysed on MOTD. The narrative was all about Arsenal being hard done by. Anyway I'm glad we ruined their script.
They their analysis of us on the role of McGinn in attack, defence and scoring, they then did the analysis of Arsenal on their failures in attack, then finally discussed the potential VAR issues. Seemed a normal layout for MOTD, but for the couple of over the top statements at the end which I mentioned.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/67673647
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 10, 2023, 02:30:03 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 02:31:21 PM
The Villa bitesize highlights don't feature the full move. They start from after Tielemans' touch.the full move is on X
Post by: Simon Page on December 10, 2023, 02:36:08 PM
Wright's "worst law ever" was just a piss take, and while Lineker should have known before it was introduced that VAR is not needed, his u-turn is rare and welcome, whatever flawed reasoning lies behind it. But I'm more than happy for people to complain about poor Arsenal. Being portrayed as the upstarts that upset the victims of Suffolk didn't diminish my enjoyment of 1981 in the slightest. More of it please.
Post by: AV84 on December 10, 2023, 02:42:07 PM
I reckon they might have got that penalty if Jesus hadn't decided to dive. As it is, I don't know why he wasn't booked for crimes against am-dram.
When you watch it in slow motion you can see him thinking how do I make this look worse. He has ample time and opportunity to stay on his feet there, it's embarrassing to watch him fall over like that.
Post by: Chap on December 10, 2023, 02:55:30 PM
I reckon they might have got that penalty if Jesus hadn't decided to dive. As it is, I don't know why he wasn't booked for crimes against am-dram.
When you watch it in slow motion you can see him thinking how do I make this look worse. He has ample time and opportunity to stay on his feet there, it's embarrassing to watch him fall over like that.
He’d have got through an audition for the Bolshoi Ballet for that one.
Post by: The Man With A Stick on December 10, 2023, 03:02:20 PM
Sky spent a good 70 minutes willing an equaliser to go in and didn't get it thankfully.
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 03:53:44 PM
We're just going to have to get used to the media being against us, a few ex-Villa players in punditry jobs wouldn't do any harm either.we have a few but they are all bellends - Lescott, the laughing hyena, Sutton, Jenas . Stephen Warnock is one of the better ones
Sky spent a good 70 minutes willing an equaliser to go in and didn't get it thankfully.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 10, 2023, 03:55:54 PM
McInally was always very good. Lee Hendrie is just dim.
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 03:57:21 PM
Gabby is always on the radio. We haven’t sent our best.in fairness he's found his level at Talksport
McInally was always very good. Lee Hendrie is just dim.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2023, 04:19:57 PM
Gabby is always on the radio. We haven’t sent our best.
McInally was always very good. Lee Hendrie is just dim.
Townsend had his truck......
Agree with McInally, just a shame they decided that Best could do Manure, McLintock could do Arsenal, but it Alan was too biased if he did Villa so stopped him doing them.
Merson is a bit hit and miss on their as well.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on December 10, 2023, 06:28:23 PM
We're just going to have to get used to the media being against us, a few ex-Villa players in punditry jobs wouldn't do any harm either.we have a few but they are all bellends - Lescott, the laughing hyena, Sutton, Jenas . Stephen Warnock is one of the better ones
Sky spent a good 70 minutes willing an equaliser to go in and didn't get it thankfully.
Villa legends!
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 10, 2023, 06:59:20 PM
Gabby is always on the radio. We haven’t sent our best.
McInally was always very good. Lee Hendrie is just dim.
Townsend had his truck......
Agree with McInally, just a shame they decided that Best could do Manure, McLintock could do Arsenal, but it Alan was too biased if he did Villa so stopped him doing them.
Merson is a bit hit and miss on their as well.
One day in the distant future Tyrone Mings will politely readdress the balance.
Post by: Martyn Smith on December 10, 2023, 07:23:26 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 10, 2023, 08:14:38 PM
It is worth noting for all their drizzling about VAR that Stockley Park did not overturn any referring decisions last night. Therefore if it hadn't existed the only difference would have the game finishing a little earlierthat's what Lineker and Wright and their small brain didn't seem to grasp . Pair of bellends
Post by: DrGonzo on December 10, 2023, 08:19:20 PM
It is worth noting for all their drizzling about VAR that Stockley Park did not overturn any referring decisions last night. Therefore if it hadn't existed the only difference would have the game finishing a little earlierThey over turned the penalty at Palace.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2023, 08:21:58 PM
Post by: DrGonzo on December 10, 2023, 08:25:15 PM
Post by: danno on December 10, 2023, 08:27:12 PM
The penalty could have been given against Luiz, we've all seen them. It wasn't enough contact for me, but I would say that!
It could have been given, I’ve seen them given, but then I’ve seen lots of incorrect decisions over the years.
Post by: Dave on December 10, 2023, 08:43:40 PM
Both the Luiz "foul" and Havertz "goal" could have gone the other way. Both were close enough that VAR wasn't going to overturn whatever decision was made on the pitch.
Gillett seems to be one who prefers to not "make the decision" and let VAR tell him he's got it wrong rather than the other way round.
Post by: FatSam on December 10, 2023, 08:44:00 PM
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Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 10:01:37 PM
I don’t think we are under represented in the media. There is Townsend, Hendrie, Dublin, Warnock, O’Neill, Smith, Sutton, Richards, Lescott, Agbonlahor, Jenas. The problem is that the ones who have any credibility/ gravitas have minimal affiliation with us. Ultimately this is because we have been largely shit for the last 25 years. Good players haven’t tended to spend much time with us. What do we realistically expect?The above have varying affection towards Villa like you say. Though Townsend, Dublin, Hendrix and Alan Smith always back us. Gabby exaggeratedly so!
You can also add Keown generally though his true loyalty was shown that even though he also shows respect about Villa in game last season he was celebrating Arsenal win at Villa Park
Other notable pundit mentions of Villa linkage in mainstream media
Crouch , Sidwell, Joe Cole, Enni Aluko, Shay Given, Darren Bent, Anita Asante and of course Paul Merson and Tim Sherwood who do sky soccer scores.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 10, 2023, 10:52:27 PM
I don’t think we are under represented in the media. There is Townsend, Hendrie, Dublin, Warnock, O’Neill, Smith, Sutton, Richards, Lescott, Agbonlahor, Jenas. The problem is that the ones who have any credibility/ gravitas have minimal affiliation with us. Ultimately this is because we have been largely shit for the last 25 years. Good players haven’t tended to spend much time with us. What do we realistically expect?
I'd largely agree with this. Without thinking or indeed caring too much about it, I'd say Chelsea are probably under represented in the media given the success they've had in the last 25 years.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on December 11, 2023, 07:03:20 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on December 11, 2023, 08:01:38 AM
Just listened to the Totally Football show and it was nice that in the 7/8 mins on the game they pretty much exclusively talked about Villa and did not mention the non-penalty or the non-handball.
Sounds like people doing their job right
Post by: Somniloquism on December 11, 2023, 08:44:06 AM
Oh surprise Spurs on first
4-0 and the two challengers for a top 5 finish, why wouldn't it be?
Post by: VillaTim on December 11, 2023, 11:28:24 AM
Post by: Dave on December 11, 2023, 11:36:30 AM
Man City first ? or Fulham (5-0) but no Spurs due to the BBC bias
Why do you think that a routine win for the Champions against the team everybody thought and probably still thinks is going to be relegated or a game between two mid-table clubs is more interesting than a game between two clubs who are hoping to finish in the top four?
If either of those two matches were more interesting then you'd have a point. But they weren't.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 11, 2023, 11:48:57 AM
Man City first ? or Fulham (5-0) but no Spurs due to the BBC bias
Why those should either of those two been first? Goals scored. Well both had 5 goals. City, wouldn't you have just been going "City first, typical bias". I suspect if Luton had won, they might have leapt into first place.
BTW, Fulham won 5-0 last Wednesday as well. Why weren't you complaining they weren't first over a 1-0 victory match then?
Post by: Richard on December 11, 2023, 12:04:37 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 11, 2023, 12:18:22 PM
Post by: Simon Page on December 11, 2023, 12:21:52 PM
I really wouldn't worry too much about it.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 11, 2023, 12:24:21 PM
The question I asked to you though. Why were you not complaining Fulham should have been first on MOTD last Wednesday? Afterall they won 5-0 the same as yesterday.
Post by: VillaTim on December 11, 2023, 12:51:15 PM
I already told you, because it was 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th, and there was 5 goals in the match. Would they have been first if it was 1-0? Probably depending on the Citeh result because it was still 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th.i've no idea what the running order was on Wednesday , i'd have had no issue with Fulham being on first. I'm talking about Spurs and the ridiculous BBC bias towards them , probably down to much of the BBC hierachy being Spurs fans
The question I asked to you though. Why were you not complaining Fulham should have been first on MOTD last Wednesday? Afterall they won 5-0 the same as yesterday.
Post by: Simon Page on December 11, 2023, 12:52:46 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 11, 2023, 12:59:46 PM
I already told you, because it was 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th, and there was 5 goals in the match. Would they have been first if it was 1-0? Probably depending on the Citeh result because it was still 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th.i've no idea what the running order was on Wednesday , i'd have had no issue with Fulham being on first. I'm talking about Spurs and the ridiculous BBC bias towards them , probably down to much of the BBC hierachy being Spurs fans
The question I asked to you though. Why were you not complaining Fulham should have been first on MOTD last Wednesday? Afterall they won 5-0 the same as yesterday.
We were first because it was 3rd v 4th in the league.
And if the Spurs match was 0-0 or 1-0, I might have been more on your side about why that one and not one of the others, especially if it was 10th against 12th. But when complaining about them being first when it was a also a match with five goals and two teams fighting for fifth just seems a moan for the sake of moaning.
Post by: VillaTim on December 11, 2023, 01:09:18 PM
are you sat there in a Spurs tracksuit or something ;)I already told you, because it was 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th, and there was 5 goals in the match. Would they have been first if it was 1-0? Probably depending on the Citeh result because it was still 5th v 7th with the winner going 5th.i've no idea what the running order was on Wednesday , i'd have had no issue with Fulham being on first. I'm talking about Spurs and the ridiculous BBC bias towards them , probably down to much of the BBC hierachy being Spurs fans
The question I asked to you though. Why were you not complaining Fulham should have been first on MOTD last Wednesday? Afterall they won 5-0 the same as yesterday.
We were first because it was 3rd v 4th in the league.
And if the Spurs match was 0-0 or 1-0, I might have been more on your side about why that one and not one of the others, especially if it was 10th against 12th. But when complaining about them being first when it was a also a match with five goals and two teams fighting for fifth just seems a moan for the sake of moaning.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 11, 2023, 08:11:53 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 11, 2023, 08:22:59 PM
Chappers bigging us up on the Monday Night Club. Richards continuing to just cackle away though.
Whilst not giving us a hope in hell of winning the title ahead of his beloved Citeh.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 11, 2023, 08:29:43 PM
Post by: olaftab on December 11, 2023, 08:30:56 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 11, 2023, 08:48:28 PM
I didn’t think he was saying that.
I thought he was, he sounded quite incredulous when the possibility of us being title contenders was raised. Not that I'm particularly bothered what the buffoon "thinks".
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 11, 2023, 08:53:04 PM
Why do they need this clown ?I didn’t think he was saying that.
I thought he was, he sounded quite incredulous when the possibility of us being title contenders was raised. Not that I'm particularly bothered what the buffoon "thinks".
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 11, 2023, 09:02:42 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 12, 2023, 09:17:24 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on December 12, 2023, 09:20:52 AM
He's a twat in any case, whatever he says.
This.
Dump him in a piranha tank.
Post by: Dave on December 12, 2023, 09:48:48 AM
We aren’t title contenders. Not after this many games.
In which case, nobody is.
We're title contenders until we stop being such.
Post by: chrisw1 on December 12, 2023, 10:19:56 AM
The truth is, for most people under 50, their living memory of Villa is of us being pretty shit. Yeah, we won a couple of league cups in the 90's, but then Swansea, Blackburn, Middlesborough and Leicester have all won it since us. Portsmouth, Wigan, Everton and Leicester (again) went one better with the FA cup.
The teams we want to be talked about in the same breath as have mostly won 15 or more trophies since our last. They have budgets 2 or 3 times what we have. So yes, Emery is brilliant and we are playing great football, but it's hardly a surprise that pundits / non Villa fans remain sceptical about whether this is sustainable or a bit of a streak of form. For the same reasons, until recently we have simply been less interesting to viewers than other more successful clubs so it follows we got less airtime and attention.
It's not a conspiracy. It's because we've been shit. Emery looks like he is capable of putting it right and the attention will follow. In the meantime, relax and don't get too upset if a PL table graphic excludes us, or a pundit thinks we're more likely to fall away than challenge Man City and Liverpool. The truth is I agree with them and think 4 or 5th would be an incredible achievement this season.
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2023, 10:22:55 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 12, 2023, 10:24:56 AM
Chappers bigging us up on the Monday Night Club. Richards continuing to just cackle away though.
He's a Manchester United fan isn't he?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 12, 2023, 10:25:13 AM
I think a lot of Villa fans get over-sensitive about what pundits say about us, whether that's if they believe we'll finish in the top 4 or are title challengers etc. There are even conspiracy theories about the graphics TV companies use to show the top of the table and the MOTD running order.
The truth is, for most people under 50, their living memory of Villa is of us being pretty shit. Yeah, we won a couple of league cups in the 90's, but then Swansea, Blackburn, Middlesborough and Leicester have all won it since us. Portsmouth, Wigan, Everton and Leicester (again) went one better with the FA cup.
Doesn't explain the prominence of Spurs in the media. The reality is the Illuminati don't like the fact that we refer to ourselves as the Villa.
Post by: Dave on December 12, 2023, 10:29:38 AM
I think a lot of Villa fans get over-sensitive about what pundits say about us, whether that's if they believe we'll finish in the top 4 or are title challengers etc. There are even conspiracy theories about the graphics TV companies use to show the top of the table and the MOTD running order.
The truth is, for most people under 50, their living memory of Villa is of us being pretty shit. Yeah, we won a couple of league cups in the 90's, but then Swansea, Blackburn, Middlesborough and Leicester have all won it since us. Portsmouth, Wigan, Everton and Leicester (again) went one better with the FA cup.
Doesn't explain the prominence of Spurs in the media.
Well that's because for most of the last ten - fifteen years it's because they have been really quite good.
I'm pretty sure that if we spend the next decade regularly finishing in the top four, occasionally challenging for the title and ending up in the latter stages of the Champions League on multiple occasions then we would feel pretty put out if weren't experiencing "prominence in the media".
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 12, 2023, 10:39:57 AM
I think a lot of Villa fans get over-sensitive about what pundits say about us, whether that's if they believe we'll finish in the top 4 or are title challengers etc. There are even conspiracy theories about the graphics TV companies use to show the top of the table and the MOTD running order.
The truth is, for most people under 50, their living memory of Villa is of us being pretty shit. Yeah, we won a couple of league cups in the 90's, but then Swansea, Blackburn, Middlesborough and Leicester have all won it since us. Portsmouth, Wigan, Everton and Leicester (again) went one better with the FA cup.
Doesn't explain the prominence of Spurs in the media. The reality is the Illuminati don't like the fact that we refer to ourselves as the Villa.
Well that's because for most of the last ten - fifteen years it's because they have been really quite good.
I'm pretty sure that if we spend the next decade regularly finishing in the top four, occasionally challenging for the title and ending up in the latter stages of the Champions League on multiple occasions then we would feel pretty put out if weren't experiencing "prominence in the media".
My post was partly tongue in cheek, but Spurs have been unduly prominent in the media for as long as I can remember. Until the last couple of weeks, their good start to the season with 'Ange-Ball' got far more attention than Villa under Unai's sustained excellence for the best part of a year.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 12, 2023, 10:42:07 AM
Chappers bigging us up on the Monday Night Club. Richards continuing to just cackle away though.
He's a Manchester United fan isn't he?
He is. Posh boy from Altrincham. Faar less smug than he used to be.
Richards is such a div mostly.
The producer is a very superstitious Villa fan who doesn't like them talking about us.
They have good journos on - Rory Smith is NYT and Adam Crafton from The Athletic.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 12, 2023, 10:44:28 AM
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Even when I was young Spurs and Man United who were mid/upper mid table sides a lot of the time (although both won Cups) seemed to have incredible amount of a much scarcer media profile
Post by: Bad English on December 12, 2023, 10:47:01 AM
If I do become aware of any bollocks being spouted then a) see paragraph 1 above, sentence 2, and b) They can "Fuck off!". The twats!
If they do praise us then
a) That is correct and normal and, also, b) see paragraph 1 sentence 2 above.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 12, 2023, 11:24:21 AM
Post by: Bad English on December 12, 2023, 12:05:41 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on December 12, 2023, 12:15:47 PM
I don't listen to the fuckers. They have Collymore droning on in the studio but he's overdubbed by a simultaneous translator and that pisses me off even more. Just substitute the ******!
FTFY
Post by: Lucky Eddie on December 12, 2023, 12:21:30 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on December 17, 2023, 01:26:02 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 17, 2023, 01:27:05 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 17, 2023, 01:32:17 PM
I thought Shay Given was pretty decent on there last night.
He's okay, if a little bland. He also appears on RTE, but I much prefer Richie Sadlier and Didi Hamann in their line-up.
Post by: Villa Lew on December 17, 2023, 01:43:49 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67736470
Too busy doing quiz shows!
Post by: VillaTim on December 17, 2023, 01:45:06 PM
I thought Shay Given was pretty decent on there last night.that bloke certainly knows how to sit on the fence.
Post by: VillaTim on December 17, 2023, 06:26:16 PM
Post by: DesBremner on December 17, 2023, 09:32:18 PM
Ian Wrighty on MOTD tonight
I wonder what biased inane drivel this expert will subject us all to tonight
Post by: VillaTim on December 17, 2023, 09:47:13 PM
no no no he's a top bloke mate allegedlyIan Wrighty on MOTD tonight
I wonder what biased inane drivel this expert will subject us all to tonight
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 17, 2023, 09:49:52 PM
Post by: DesBremner on December 17, 2023, 10:05:14 PM
He’s fine, a bit daft when it comes to talking about Arsenal, but he’s alright.
"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
He has openly admitted in the past he doesn't like Villa, hated playing us as the fans were always on his back apparently
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 17, 2023, 10:10:00 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 17, 2023, 10:11:30 PM
If that’s the case then it doesn’t really come through in his punditry, at least to me. He always seems decent enough to me for the most part.Agreed, Wrights fine.
You can dislike the world if you try hard enough
Post by: VillaTim on December 17, 2023, 10:11:46 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 17, 2023, 10:34:13 PM
He’s fine, a bit daft when it comes to talking about Arsenal, but he’s alright.
"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
He has openly admitted in the past he doesn't like Villa, hated playing us as the fans were always on his back apparently
{Citation needed}.
Post by: dr.chekov on December 17, 2023, 10:49:07 PM
Post by: lovejoy on December 17, 2023, 10:52:34 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 17, 2023, 10:56:38 PM
Post by: stevo_st on December 17, 2023, 10:57:53 PM
Post by: DesBremner on December 17, 2023, 10:58:54 PM
He’s fine, a bit daft when it comes to talking about Arsenal, but he’s alright.
He was interviewed a while back and said he hated playing Villa as the fans always gave him a hard time
It may even be in his autobiography
"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
He has openly admitted in the past he doesn't like Villa, hated playing us as the fans were always on his back apparently
{Citation needed}.
Its in his autobiography
Post by: andyh on December 17, 2023, 10:58:55 PM
We were first on and despite all the shenanigans and pearl clutching by the match commentator, Wright and Shearer backed Villa on pretty much every talking point.
And rightly so, they just laughed at the Martinez shithousery for what it was.
Post by: dave shelley on December 17, 2023, 10:59:07 PM
Didn’t think there was much in that Kamara red myself.
Not really but nowadays a hand in the face is a red card and he got one. No complaints about the decision, he shouldn't have done it.
Their no 33 was lucky not to get one too. VAR not doing their job on that occasion.
Post by: IFWaters on December 17, 2023, 11:00:06 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 17, 2023, 11:02:57 PM
Post by: TonyD on December 17, 2023, 11:14:40 PM
Ian knows we are a coming.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 17, 2023, 11:16:12 PM
Didn’t think there was much in that Kamara red myself.
You could see a player push Kamara away by the throat in the net when Watkins was celebrating, no card yet Kamara gets a red for the same offence.
Post by: The Edge on December 17, 2023, 11:16:22 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 17, 2023, 11:22:25 PM
The twat from robotwars on commentary was a bit over the top. He’s such a terrible commentator.
I quite like Pearce, but he does look like a man who's suffering from the ravages of alcohol. I wish him well.
Post by: The Edge on December 17, 2023, 11:38:00 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 17, 2023, 11:42:48 PM
Brentford v Villa first up on MOTD. Liverpool v Man U on last. That almost feels like the start of a new world order 😉
They're still all over the back pages. One even has a headline about how boring it was.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 12:10:10 AM
He’s fine, a bit daft when it comes to talking about Arsenal, but he’s alright.
He was interviewed a while back and said he hated playing Villa as the fans always gave him a hard time
It may even be in his autobiography
"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
He has openly admitted in the past he doesn't like Villa, hated playing us as the fans were always on his back apparently
{Citation needed}.
Its in his autobiography
Personally if we were mentioned I suspect it was because we stopped him in the league cup semis and took the piss in the next league meeting. He then put two passed us including the last minute winner. And then two more at Vila Park the next season as well.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 12:14:45 AM
https://twitter.com/BBCMOTD/status/1325572800871010305
Post by: martyn ellis on December 18, 2023, 12:21:00 AM
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 12:25:30 AM
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on December 18, 2023, 12:35:23 AM
Being 1st on MOTD2 is a sign of progress.Missed us as I expected us to be last again: couldn't believe that That Liverpool v Manure Game was instead!
Post by: Louzie0 on December 18, 2023, 12:38:40 AM
1) the ‘top 6’ didn’t do a lot televisually, and,
2) Our kid, Emi/Dibu, World Number 1 GK, went nuts and upset an opposing player. 👍🌟
Post by: Nev on December 18, 2023, 07:50:10 AM
And the decision to feature our game was correct, it had the most incidents and therefore was the most entertaining.
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 08:03:27 AM
The twat from robotwars on commentary was a bit over the top. He’s such a terrible commentator.
I quite like Pearce, but he does look like a man who's suffering from the ravages of alcohol. I wish him well.
I find him extremely irritating and he was hysterical at the end and even cheered when Kamara was sent off.
I thought the summary from Wright and Shearer was excellent and I’ll miss Ian Wright at the end of season. He’s a nice man and gets being a supporter. He’s completely biased towards Arsenal, but I don’t mind that.
Post by: Simon Page on December 18, 2023, 10:33:29 AM
"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
He was joking. Not exactly one of Wilde's, but exaggerating for effect.
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 10:39:29 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 10:41:19 AM
He was joking. Not exactly one of Wilde's, but exaggerating for effect.
"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
I would argue he was sulking and just spouting hyperbole. He just always pretty much over-reacts to Arsenal matches as shown with his clenched fist punch at the start of the studio segment last night after their highlights. Any other team and he is about the same as any other ex-footballer on there, occasionally states something profound but mostly bland.
Post by: Nev on December 18, 2023, 10:41:47 AM
the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
Since when did people "take turns" in having a job?
Post by: Simon Page on December 18, 2023, 10:45:51 AM
Why must life be so unfair?
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 10:47:06 AM
Post by: lovejoy on December 18, 2023, 10:53:16 AM
Given his replacement will inevitably be Jenas, I reckon leave him where he is.
Jenas will lose his voice week 2 and be sidelined for the ret of his contract (whilst still drawing full wage).
Post by: Holte132 on December 18, 2023, 10:54:55 AM
the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
Since when did people "take turns" in having a job?
Job share?
Post by: Nev on December 18, 2023, 11:07:21 AM
the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
Since when did people "take turns" in having a job?
Job share?
It's not a job share if someone is moved on surely?
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 18, 2023, 12:27:49 PM
the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
How's your job as controller of Radio 2 coming on?
Post by: Risso on December 18, 2023, 12:31:55 PM
Post by: Clive W on December 18, 2023, 12:52:56 PM
the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
Since when did people "take turns" in having a job?
Job share?
Prime Minister?
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 12:55:38 PM
Post by: Holte132 on December 18, 2023, 12:56:10 PM
the BBC need to get rid of Lineker next , he's had his turn, move him on.
Since when did people "take turns" in having a job?
Job share?
It's not a job share if someone is moved on surely?
No, you're right. But I meant that a job share is taking turns to do the job.
Post by: Rigadon on December 18, 2023, 12:58:42 PM
Lineker needs to go in my opinion. Can't stand the twat
Is your viewpoint about his political opinions or his skills as a broadcaster?
Post by: malckennedy on December 18, 2023, 01:06:59 PM
Lineker needs to go in my opinion. Can't stand the twat
Fascinating. You can’t stand Lineker. What an interesting piece of news.
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 18, 2023, 02:31:30 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 02:32:41 PM
Here’s a thought, why don’t we all just get along and respect others views and opinions, even if they’re different. Imagine that.It will never catch on.
Post by: Jon Crofts on December 18, 2023, 02:34:23 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 02:35:07 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 02:53:22 PM
Both in fairnessLineker needs to go in my opinion. Can't stand the twat
Is your viewpoint about his political opinions or his skills as a broadcaster?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 02:56:53 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 03:01:28 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 03:05:40 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 03:07:44 PM
Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 03:09:34 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 03:11:02 PM
Google translate has it as "Keep politics I don't agree with out of sport."
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 03:41:10 PM
he mixes his position in sport (taxpayer funded) with his political beliefs . A big no no for me and against BBC rules.
It really isn't, as has been confirmed recently.
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 03:43:41 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 18, 2023, 03:53:14 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 18, 2023, 03:54:01 PM
he mixes his position in sport (taxpayer funded) with his political beliefs . A big no no for me and against BBC rules.
No he doesn't.
He talks sport on the bbc for his job & he makes his political beliefs known on his personal social media accounts.
And in a free society, he is perfectly entitled to make his views known.
Post by: Rigadon on December 18, 2023, 04:17:50 PM
Both in fairnessLineker needs to go in my opinion. Can't stand the twat
Is your viewpoint about his political opinions or his skills as a broadcaster?
Okey dokey. Putting your contempt for free speech to one side (I suspect debate isn't going to lead us anywhere on this topic), what don't you like about his presenting of MoTD? I prefer him to all other sports 'anchors' personally. I think he's generally knowledgeable, and not noticeably partisan apart from in a jokey way when it involves Leicester and unlike other anchors on other channels, has direct experience of the game he's talking about.
The Rest of Football podcast is listenable too, despite Micah Richards being on it!
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 04:38:38 PM
Anyway i think he'll be gone in the next couple of years and replaced and not before time. "Wrighty" gone soon too.
Post by: Simon Page on December 18, 2023, 05:05:45 PM
It's the same the other way. I've always thought the main reason outlets like Fox News or, especially, GB News are known to most is because those who don't like them can't stop going on about them. It's counter-productive though, as you just end up publicising what you hate and alienating people to the extent they find solace where you don't want them to.
Rise above it, or maybe quietly boycott Walkers crisps. Either way, don't read a newspaper because they really do like to force an opinion on you.
Post by: LostInMunich on December 18, 2023, 05:06:05 PM
not for me , lazy style of presenting
This! Can't stand Lineker and his lazy style of presenting.
What does he do to earn his considerable crust? Just sits there, occasionally leaning back, occasionally leaning forwards. What kind of an example is that to set in a country plagued by an obesity epidemic? And how often does he get either of his hands above shoulder height? Has anyone ever seen him break a sweat? I'm not even talking about visible wetness on the shirt - just some light beading on the upper lip or forehead would be enough.
Some shortness of breath would also be nice. Again, I'm not expecting him to be panting like he's run a marathon, but just some modest signs of exertion. Something to show he cares, that he puts some effort into the job.
Some of us, I'm sure, remember Mr Motivator. Apparently, he used to do 12 (TWELVE) hours of training for every hour he spent on air. I bet Lineker doesn't do half that. And it shows in his lack of on-screen energy. Do some pull-ups while you're talking about Bournemouth-West Ham! Do some fucking burpees!
I bet he couldn't.
The number of times I've raised this stuff with the BBC. Just last week I wrote to them, asking why the presenter of a programme that is ostensibly about sport was allowed to do his job while not wearing sporting attire. As with all things BBC, it's deeply, deeply hypocritical.
Anyway. Glad to finally meet a kindred spirit.
Post by: malckennedy on December 18, 2023, 05:14:26 PM
Post by: andyh on December 18, 2023, 05:18:44 PM
I see them as the thoughts and opinions of a thoroughly decent human being.
Post by: Drummond on December 18, 2023, 05:20:26 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 18, 2023, 05:54:16 PM
Lineker needs to go in my opinion. Can't stand the twat
Fascinating. You can’t stand Lineker. What an interesting piece of news.
I know. Shocked I am.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on December 18, 2023, 08:32:38 PM
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 08:38:35 PM
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 08:39:52 PM
contradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 18, 2023, 08:59:47 PM
"The most outrageous law not just football but all law "
His epitaph to football punditry
Given his interest in 1930s Germany, I thought Lineker might have gone for the 'July 1933 Citizenship and Denaturalization Law'. Surprisingly, he agreed with Wrighty's take.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 18, 2023, 09:02:33 PM
Ah, you're a bigot then.Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 09:03:42 PM
Banged on about the human rights abuse etc then went there and took the money anyway . He wasn't alone though , Alex Scott, Neville etc etc . Hypocritescontradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 18, 2023, 09:05:35 PM
He doesn't say anything on MOTD does he? So what's the difference? He's a citizen like you are, he can say what he likes. He's not even a newscaster or anything.
Which is acceptable when you agree with the message. Would you be as tolerant if you did not agree with him?
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 18, 2023, 09:10:25 PM
Banged on about the human rights abuse etc then went there and took the money anyway . He wasn't alone though , Alex Scott, Neville etc etc . Hypocritescontradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
From the man in previous posts over recent weeks and months, have used such nuggets as ‘birds’ presumably when walking straight out of a 1970’s British sitcom, with a Robin Asquith swagger, oh and then there was the ‘touch of a rapist’ comment on some thread or other going back, God there are so many. Your a class act and your opinions on whose a ‘twat’ or ‘hypocrite’ etc etc are to be taken very seriously.
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 09:13:54 PM
Banged on about the human rights abuse etc then went there and took the money anyway . He wasn't alone though , Alex Scott, Neville etc etc . Hypocritescontradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
You seem to be confusing two different things. There are people who were paid by the Qatari state, be it to promote or comment on the World Cup they were hosting.
There are people whose job involves reporting on a World Cup tournament which was taking place in Qatar.
Unless I missed something, Gary Lineker did the second, not the first. Gary Neville I believe did the first. And is therefore, as you say, a massive hypocrite. Gary Lineker also would be had he done what Neville did. But he didn't.
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 09:18:40 PM
Banged on about the human rights abuse etc then went there and took the money anyway . He wasn't alone though , Alex Scott, Neville etc etc . Hypocritescontradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
From the man in previous posts over recent weeks and months, have used such nuggets as ‘birds’ presumably when walking straight out of a 1970’s British sitcom, with a Robin Asquith swagger, oh and then there was the ‘touch of a rapist’ comment on some thread or other going back, God there are so many. Your a class act and your opinions on whose a ‘twat’ or ‘hypocrite’ etc etc are to be taken very seriously.
Very similar to previous posters SilhillVilla and Coppers Injury.
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 09:25:38 PM
If he felt so strongly about it perhaps he should have stayed at home . I'm sure somebody else would have stepped in .Banged on about the human rights abuse etc then went there and took the money anyway . He wasn't alone though , Alex Scott, Neville etc etc . Hypocritescontradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
You seem to be confusing two different things. There are people who were paid by the Qatari state, be it to promote or comment on the World Cup they were hosting.
There are people whose job involves reporting on a World Cup tournament which was taking place in Qatar.
Unless I missed something, Gary Lineker did the second, not the first. Gary Neville I believe did the first. And is therefore, as you say, a massive hypocrite. Gary Lineker also would be had he done what Neville did. But he didn't.
Post by: Risso on December 18, 2023, 09:25:44 PM
You seem to be confusing two different things. There are people who were paid by the Qatari state, be it to promote or comment on the World Cup they were hosting.
There are people whose job involves reporting on a World Cup tournament which was taking place in Qatar.
Unless I missed something, Gary Lineker did the second, not the first. Gary Neville I believe did the first. And is therefore, as you say, a massive hypocrite. Gary Lineker also would be had he done what Neville did. But he didn't.
Didn't Lineker spend years being paid by Al-Jazeera? A good while before the World Cup, but I don't think their record on gay rights etc was any better back then.
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 09:27:47 PM
Correct . Hypocrite.You seem to be confusing two different things. There are people who were paid by the Qatari state, be it to promote or comment on the World Cup they were hosting.
There are people whose job involves reporting on a World Cup tournament which was taking place in Qatar.
Unless I missed something, Gary Lineker did the second, not the first. Gary Neville I believe did the first. And is therefore, as you say, a massive hypocrite. Gary Lineker also would be had he done what Neville did. But he didn't.
Didn't Lineker spend years being paid by Al-Jazeera? A good while before the World Cup, but I don't think their record on gay rights etc was any better back then.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 09:29:21 PM
Ah, you're a bigot then.Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 09:31:26 PM
You seem to be confusing two different things. There are people who were paid by the Qatari state, be it to promote or comment on the World Cup they were hosting.
There are people whose job involves reporting on a World Cup tournament which was taking place in Qatar.
Unless I missed something, Gary Lineker did the second, not the first. Gary Neville I believe did the first. And is therefore, as you say, a massive hypocrite. Gary Lineker also would be had he done what Neville did. But he didn't.
Didn't Lineker spend years being paid by Al-Jazeera? A good while before the World Cup, but I don't think their record on gay rights etc was any better back then.
He did. Al Jazeera is an incredibly clever propaganda tool from Qatar, so they can pump their special brand of bollocks into the region, while equally craftily having built Al Udeid so the Americans can keep them safe. Sneaky sneaky.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2023, 09:31:47 PM
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 09:36:03 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 18, 2023, 09:36:31 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 18, 2023, 09:36:54 PM
If he felt so strongly about it perhaps he should have stayed at home . I'm sure somebody else would have stepped in .Banged on about the human rights abuse etc then went there and took the money anyway . He wasn't alone though , Alex Scott, Neville etc etc . Hypocritescontradicts himself - see Qatar WC for just one example. Hypocrite
How so?
You seem to be confusing two different things. There are people who were paid by the Qatari state, be it to promote or comment on the World Cup they were hosting.
There are people whose job involves reporting on a World Cup tournament which was taking place in Qatar.
Unless I missed something, Gary Lineker did the second, not the first. Gary Neville I believe did the first. And is therefore, as you say, a massive hypocrite. Gary Lineker also would be had he done what Neville did. But he didn't.
If you feel that strongly about him, why not boycott MOTD?
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 09:37:45 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 09:38:37 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2023, 09:45:12 PM
I boycotted MOTD from about 2011 to 2021.
I boycotted most of football let alone MOTD. A shit Villa makes everything else pretty much irrelevant.
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 09:46:22 PM
I boycotted MOTD from about 2011 to 2021.
Ha ha, yeah me too.
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 09:48:45 PM
I boycotted MOTD from about 2011 to 2021.
Ha ha, yeah me too.
Yep, add me as well, I reckon in that decade I watched about 10 games in England that we weren't playing in.
Post by: Gareth on December 18, 2023, 09:56:37 PM
His politics are irrelevant to his ability as a broadcaster as he doesn’t deliver them on MotD though I appreciate he is a bit idealistic and not extreme enough for some
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 18, 2023, 09:59:43 PM
Ah, you're a bigot then.Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Careful that you don't fall off that moral high ground. Who mentioned human rights?
But what gives you the right to brand / name call someone who may not have the same view as you....that's very right wing don't you think?
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 18, 2023, 10:02:37 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 10:06:52 PM
Ah, you're a bigot then.Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Careful that you don't fall off that moral high ground. Who mentioned human rights?
But what gives you the right to brand / name call someone who may not have the same view as you....that's very right wing don't you think?
VillaTim has told on himself quite a few times.
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 10:10:35 PM
Ah, you're a bigot then.Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Careful that you don't fall off that moral high ground. Who mentioned human rights?
But what gives you the right to brand / name call someone who may not have the same view as you....that's very right wing don't you think?
Not really, if you think stereotyping is something reserved entirely for the right wing and try to weaponise it against the left like this you do very little other than make yourself look a bit silly.
Also it's worth noting that generally 2500 posts (or near enough) is a pretty decent sample size to get an idea of who someone is and the poster you've decided to jump into bat for has done very little to suggest SE is wrong.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 10:14:46 PM
Ah, you're a bigot then.Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Careful that you don't fall off that moral high ground. Who mentioned human rights?
But what gives you the right to brand / name call someone who may not have the same view as you....that's very right wing don't you think?
No.
I get that you're not very clever, and I guess that's not your fault, but you've made some logical leaps there.
I mentioned human rights. I don't have the time or inclination to Google the various controversies around Gary Lineker's tweets, but from memory, they're mostly to do with fair treatment of refugees, the feeding of poor children and Russian money influencing UK government policy. These are all human rights issues. That's why I mentioned human rights.
You are a poster who continually moans about keeping sport and politics separate. Why is that (I know the answer to this, by the way)? And what is your problem with the concept of people having human rights?
You also ought to stop calling other people scum (I know you haven't done that in any of the quoted remarks, but you do), but then I guess you have a human right to do so, even if it doesn't reflect particularly well on you.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 18, 2023, 10:16:53 PM
Prefer Chappers as host being honest. Wouldn't have said that 10 years ago. Good to see Shay Given being given a chance as MOTD pundit.
Wright improved a lot on that more recently but rubbish on England ITV coverage. Looking forward to Richards improving similarly but then again more likely to have good game for Villa.
I'd say Line-acre as Channon used to call him has one more Worrld Cup.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 18, 2023, 10:20:37 PM
Don’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.Correct. We've all.got the hypocrite vibe to lesser or greater extents!
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 18, 2023, 10:23:30 PM
Don’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.Correct. We've all.got the hypocrite vibe to lesser or greater extents!
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
Indeed as Michael.Corleone said to Senator Geary.
Not everyone is a self-aware of own said hypocrisy mind. The richer the less so in my experience.
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 10:27:10 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 10:30:19 PM
Don’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.slightly different though to be fair, try buying electrical components for domestic use that aren't from China for example, its more a result of the capitalist world we have to live in rather than personal choice , unless you want to go back to lighting your home with candles for example.
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
PCB's is an other good example. We have little choice. Lineker as a multi multi millionaire has choices around the work he chooses and the tweets he tweets
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 10:31:35 PM
Don’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.slightly different though to be fair, try buying electrical components for domestic use that aren't from China for example, its more a result of the capitalist world we have to live in rather than personal choice , unless you want to go back to lighting your home with candles for example.
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
PCB's is an other good example. We have little choice. Lineker as a multi multi millionaire has choices around the work he chooses and the tweets he tweets
Yeah, the fucking idiot, he should have gone to the World Cup that wasn't held in Qatar last year.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 10:31:48 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 10:32:13 PM
He had a choiceDon’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.slightly different though to be fair, try buying electrical components for domestic use that aren't from China for example, its more a result of the capitalist world we have to live in rather than personal choice , unless you want to go back to lighting your home with candles for example.
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
PCB's is an other good example. We have little choice. Lineker as a multi multi millionaire has choices around the work he chooses and the tweets he tweets
Yeah, the fucking idiot, he should have gone to the World Cup that wasn't held in Qatar last year.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 10:32:55 PM
He had a choiceDon’t we all demonstrate an element of hypocrisy? We buy Chinese goods despite their human rights records. Often in the production of the very products we consume. We watched and enjoyed the WC with knowledge of what took place to host it. Same with the Olympics in China or Russia. And it’s not like our hands are clean. There are plenty of things we could do to be better.slightly different though to be fair, try buying electrical components for domestic use that aren't from China for example, its more a result of the capitalist world we have to live in rather than personal choice , unless you want to go back to lighting your home with candles for example.
If you find Gary Lineker offensive, of all the people you could choose to get upset over, then I would suggest you find time to demonstrate vociferously about the myriad of things that pale in comparison to anything he has ever said or done. In the context of media figures he is as bland as they come, and on the whole lacking in any kind of serious controversy. There are many way, way worse.
PCB's is an other good example. We have little choice. Lineker as a multi multi millionaire has choices around the work he chooses and the tweets he tweets
Yeah, the fucking idiot, he should have gone to the World Cup that wasn't held in Qatar last year.
By that logic, so do you - you can strip all domestic appliances from your life.
Starting with your router, ideally.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 10:33:55 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 10:35:14 PM
Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 10:36:53 PM
Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
I do know. It's the fellow who tells me where to go when I turn up for my appointments.
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 10:41:58 PM
Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
I do know. It's the fellow who tells me where to go when I turn up for my appointments.
Internet was a bit slow the other week with us both working from home, the wife complained and I told her the Virgin router was voice activated.
She stood there by the window shouting 'Router reboot now' repeatedly without joy before coming to see me again, by which point I was actually crying.
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 10:42:20 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 10:43:18 PM
Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
I do know. It's the fellow who tells me where to go when I turn up for my appointments.
Internet was a bit slow the other week with us both working from home, the wife complained and I told her the Virgin router was voice activated.
She stood there by the window shouting 'Router reboot now' repeatedly without joy before coming to see me again, by which point I was actually crying.
Well, she married you...
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 10:44:57 PM
Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
I do know. It's the fellow who tells me where to go when I turn up for my appointments.
Internet was a bit slow the other week with us both working from home, the wife complained and I told her the Virgin router was voice activated.
She stood there by the window shouting 'Router reboot now' repeatedly without joy before coming to see me again, by which point I was actually crying.
Well, she married you...
She was in too deeply that point.
And I still had hair.
Post by: mike on December 18, 2023, 10:45:51 PM
Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
I do know. It's the fellow who tells me where to go when I turn up for my appointments.
It’s actually something to cut channels in wood, plaster etc. Ironically, we pronounce that device the same way that Americans pronounce the box of magic that allows us access to the beneficence that is the internet.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 10:46:01 PM
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 10:46:28 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 10:46:35 PM
Hahahaha!
Look at this one pretending to know what a router is.
I do know. It's the fellow who tells me where to go when I turn up for my appointments.
Internet was a bit slow the other week with us both working from home, the wife complained and I told her the Virgin router was voice activated.
She stood there by the window shouting 'Router reboot now' repeatedly without joy before coming to see me again, by which point I was actually crying.
I remember about 20 years ago, Severn Trent launched a (short lived) broadband service. One night an advert for it came on telly, and my Mrs asked me how come Severn Trent were offering broadband.
I told her the latest innovation was 'water modems' and broadband through water pipes. She believed me, up to the point I didn't have the heart to laugh at her, I felt such a ******.
Post by: Clampy on December 18, 2023, 10:46:46 PM
They walk amongst us.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 10:48:28 PM
And a massive caravan.
And a property empire rivalling Robbie Fowler's and that of Damon Grant from Brookside.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 10:48:45 PM
Gary Lineker is a bad man
Not as bad as Matty Cash, though.
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 10:49:19 PM
And a massive caravan.
And a property empire rivalling Robbie Fowler's and that of Damon Grant from Brookside.
All easily towable too.
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 10:50:09 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 10:50:13 PM
And a massive caravan.
And a property empire rivalling Robbie Fowler's and that of Damon Grant from Brookside.
All easily towable too.
Borderline Bibby Stockholm.
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 10:50:44 PM
Gary Lineker is a bad man
Not as bad as Matty Cash, though.
Is anyone?
Post by: Clampy on December 18, 2023, 10:51:16 PM
Gary Lineker is a bad man
Not as bad as Matty Cash, though.
True. At least Gary Lineker can stand appropriately.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 10:51:18 PM
Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 10:52:14 PM
Gary Lineker is a bad man
Not as bad as Matty Cash, though.
Is anyone?
Only Thatcher.
Oh, shit, I accidentally mixed sport and politics.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 10:52:14 PM
Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
Testify.
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 10:53:27 PM
Gary Lineker is a bad man
Not as bad as Matty Cash, though.
Is anyone?
Only Thatcher.
Oh, shit, I accidentally mixed sport and politics.
Ben Thatcher's tackle was pretty bad to be fair. Very Matty Cash.
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 10:53:44 PM
Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
Testify.
Preach!
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 10:54:19 PM
Bloody politics of envy.
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 10:55:56 PM
Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
This is obviously the side of righteousness, but it's a battle lost now.
All the supermarkets now do the green for salt & vinegar and the blue for cheese & onion, they've caved to the Walkers dominance.
Fucking Lineker.
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 10:55:57 PM
Offering affordable, flexible accommodation solutions in this gig economy is nothing to be ashamed of, in fact you should be honoring such wealth creation.
Bloody politics of envy.
*Thatcherism intensifying*
Goooooood, let it flow through you!
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 10:56:36 PM
Gary Lineker is a bad man
Not as bad as Matty Cash, though.
Is anyone?
Only Thatcher.
Oh, shit, I accidentally mixed sport and politics.
Please report to to the Matty Cash Institute of Arseholes for cancellation, you nasty man!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 18, 2023, 10:57:07 PM
Offering affordable, flexible accommodation solutions in this gig economy is nothing to be ashamed of, in fact you should be honoring such wealth creation.
Whatever you say, Brad.
Post by: mike on December 18, 2023, 10:57:58 PM
WHO HAD TO BRING UP HAIR ISN'T THAT RIGHT-WING?
Don’t start me off. I am 100% diversity friendly. I have gay relatives, black friends, my wife is a woman, but still it’s ok to mock a small and insignificant patch of slightly thinning hair…
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 10:59:47 PM
Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
This is obviously the side of righteousness, but it's a battle lost now.
All the supermarkets now do the green for salt & vinegar and the blue for cheese & onion, they've caved to the Walkers dominance.
Fucking Lineker.
It's really only Discos that get the colour coding right these days.
Do Golden Wonder still exist?
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:00:49 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 11:01:01 PM
that's incorrect though.Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
This is obviously the side of righteousness, but it's a battle lost now.
All the supermarkets now do the green for salt & vinegar and the blue for cheese & onion, they've caved to the Walkers dominance.
Fucking Lineker.
McCoys (KP) follow the same colours - Green - Cheddar & Onion / Blue - Salt & Malt Vinegar
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 11:01:49 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:01:57 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 11:03:34 PM
Nordy Mr Tayto has yellow cheese & onion. Perhaps not unsurprisingly avoiding green all together. But I don't think that's Gary Lineker's fault.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 11:03:50 PM
Unlike Matty Cash and Gary Lineker.
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 11:03:54 PM
Talking of McCoys, their Chip Shop Curry Sauce flavour are fucking brilliant.i prefer their Sizzling King Prawn but they are hard to find
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:05:22 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 11:06:54 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 18, 2023, 11:07:03 PM
We don't have this problem in Ireland, where Walkers are not widely available, or just ignored for their inferior quality.
That's because our kids have the best literacy rates in the OECD and EU, and don't need crisp packets to be colour-coded to figure out what flavour is in it.
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 11:07:09 PM
You can get Prawn Cocktail Watsits so it's fabled.
I have some of those in the cupboard right now, they're my daughters favourite.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:07:51 PM
We don't have this problem in Ireland, where Walkers are not widely available, or just ignored for their inferior quality.
Nordy Mr Tayto has yellow cheese & onion. Perhaps not unsurprisingly avoiding green all together. But I don't think that's Gary Lineker's fault.
Our local Morrisons (I only went there because it was the height of covid and the queues outside Sainsburys and Waitrose were insanely long) has a 'foreign foods' section, a very large chunk of which seems to be Irish food.
My Mrs was very excited to see you can still get 'tiffin' Dairy Milk in Ireland.
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 11:08:18 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:08:34 PM
You can get Prawn Cocktail Watsits so it's fabled.
I have some of those in the cupboard right now, they're my daughters favourite.
Yeah, they come in the multipack don't they?
Oh hang on, no, I'm thinking of Quavers.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 18, 2023, 11:08:59 PM
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 11:09:00 PM
that's incorrect though.Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
This is obviously the side of righteousness, but it's a battle lost now.
All the supermarkets now do the green for salt & vinegar and the blue for cheese & onion, they've caved to the Walkers dominance.
Fucking Lineker.
McCoys (KP) follow the same colours - Green - Cheddar & Onion / Blue - Salt & Malt Vinegar
I appreciate that you're on a roll of being wrong about everything tonight, but McCoys' historic marketing choices, dating back I believe to the 1980s have nothing to do with the current supermarket dominance of snack foods.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:09:09 PM
You may have the edge of crisps, but your stew is bogging and resembles vomit.
Ha ha ha, very true this.
Also, congratulations on having even shitter weather than we do.
Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 11:09:53 PM
He doesn't say anything on MOTD does he? So what's the difference? He's a citizen like you are, he can say what he likes. He's not even a newscaster or anything.
Which is acceptable when you agree with the message. Would you be as tolerant if you did not agree with him?
Late to this but: yeah.
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 11:10:02 PM
You may have the edge of crisps, but your stew is bogging and resembles vomit.
I will take no insults from a country that eats bread sauce!
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 11:10:07 PM
I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
They're literally all just plain or paprika aren't they?
Post by: mike on December 18, 2023, 11:10:51 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:10:55 PM
I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
They're literally all just plain or paprika aren't they?
Surely, one of the most exciting things about going abroad on holiday is foreign crisps and sweets.
Jesus. I can't believe, I'm 55 and still genuinely think this.
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 11:11:07 PM
I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
When we lived in Norway they had one brand that we liked and of those there was only 1 flavour I liked (paprika bbq or something equally unusual), trips to the UK were a treat.
I have to side with the Irish brotherhood though, Tayto crisps are much better than anything we have.
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:11:41 PM
You may have the edge of crisps, but your stew is bogging and resembles vomit.
I will take no insults from a country that eats bread sauce!
What colour packet does that come in?
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 11:12:17 PM
I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
They're literally all just plain or paprika aren't they?
Surely, one of the most exciting things about going abroad on holiday is foreign crisps and sweets.
Jesus. I can't believe, I'm 55 and still genuinely think this.
I lie - there's also about a billion corn snacks. All different shapes, but all cheese flavoured. As if the shape is where you're looking for your variety.
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 11:12:18 PM
You may have the edge of crisps, but your stew is bogging and resembles vomit.
I will take no insults from a country that eats bread sauce!
Whoa, I've banned that shit from my dinner table and I'm not even joking. Her and her mom like it but even the sight of it turns my stomach, disgraceful stuff.
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 11:12:34 PM
You may have the edge of crisps, but your stew is bogging and resembles vomit.
I will take no insults from a country that eats bread sauce!
What colour packet does that come in?
Beige.
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 11:12:47 PM
I'm not wrong (again). Do me a favour, go to Tesco tomorrow and get yourself a meal deal (£3.40 it's great value) you get a sandwhich a drink and a snack ie crisps. You will be hit with a wall of McCoys plus some other options . But McCoys are mainstream crisps whether you like it or not, they are.that's incorrect though.Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
This is obviously the side of righteousness, but it's a battle lost now.
All the supermarkets now do the green for salt & vinegar and the blue for cheese & onion, they've caved to the Walkers dominance.
Fucking Lineker.
McCoys (KP) follow the same colours - Green - Cheddar & Onion / Blue - Salt & Malt Vinegar
I appreciate that you're on a roll of being wrong about everything tonight, but McCoys' historic marketing choices, dating back I believe to the 1980s have nothing to do with the current supermarket dominance of snack foods.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 18, 2023, 11:13:36 PM
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:13:50 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:14:19 PM
A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
Our local Sainsburys sells those.
I find them totally unacceptable.
Post by: Clampy on December 18, 2023, 11:14:50 PM
Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 11:15:13 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 11:15:23 PM
I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
They're literally all just plain or paprika aren't they?
Oh mate, you have no idea. Mexico has the shittest crisps available to man. The ideas are good - tomato: I like tomatoes! Cheese: nobody likes cheese more than I do! Chilli: bring it the fuck on! All of them, an absolute disgrace to crisps. And it's worse in Albania. Oregano is a fine ingredient in a puttanesca, it's not a fucking flavour for crisps. SALT AND VINEGAR, YOU CNUTS!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:15:27 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 11:15:37 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 11:16:03 PM
I've never heard of it, not seen it, less eaten it and I understand 8th century Saint puns. Dafuq do you make sauce out of bread? Sounds like slang for thrush.
It's basically soggy bread with onions and a bit of seasoning. Absolutely vile and features on nearly every British Christmas cooking show I've ever seen. Nigella, Delia, Jamie Oliver, Gordon Ramsey etc. etc.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 18, 2023, 11:16:36 PM
A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
Our local Sainsburys sells those.
I find them totally unacceptable.
I think we can discount your contribution to the crisp debate:
Talking of McCoys, their Chip Shop Curry Sauce flavour are fucking brilliant.
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:16:49 PM
This sounds dumb, but years ago I remember M&S had a new flavour of crisps that was - baked potato flavour. I know, it sounds dumb. But they were the best crisps I ever had.
This. This. This. This. E-fucking-mense.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 11:16:51 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:17:14 PM
This sounds dumb, but years ago I remember M&S had a new flavour of crisps that was - baked potato flavour. I know, it sounds dumb. But they were the best crisps I ever had.
You wouldn't have liked them quite so much if they were called Baked Himmler, WOULD YOU? Or Paprika Von Schirach?
Oh no, though, it's all fine with your left wing potato flavours.
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 11:17:44 PM
A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
They're very good I agree. Tyrells are my brand of choice, they do the best salt and vinegar and the new-ish black garlic and sour cream flavour (in a purple packet) is fantastic.
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 11:18:10 PM
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:18:11 PM
I've never heard of it, not seen it, less eaten it and I understand 8th century Saint puns. Dafuq do you make sauce out of bread? Sounds like slang for thrush.
It's basically soggy bread with onions and a bit of seasoning. Absolutely vile and features on nearly every British Christmas cooking show I've ever seen. Nigella, Delia, Jamie Oliver, Gordon Ramsey etc. etc.
Ah it's a cunning ruse to export these cookery shows with bread sauce, so that you forrins think our cuisine is shite so you don't come and eat all our beef flavoured Monster Munch.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 18, 2023, 11:18:32 PM
Pret have a very nice Christmas Dinner flavoured sandwich at the moment.
Jesus, if the bluenoses ever see this thread…
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 11:18:36 PM
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 11:18:37 PM
I'm not wrong (again). Do me a favour, go to Tesco tomorrow and get yourself a meal deal (£3.40 it's great value) you get a sandwhich a drink and a snack ie crisps. You will be hit with a wall of McCoys plus some other options . But McCoys are mainstream crisps whether you like it or not, they are.that's incorrect though.Didn't Linekar make loads of money selling crisps back in the day? Bit hypocritical of an athlete to be advertising junk food. And they weren't even good crisps! No standards and a hypocrit.
There's only one thing that puts me off Walkers - I couldn't care less about Lineker - and it's their inversion of the correct, natural packet colours for salt & vinegar and cheese & onion
This is obviously the side of righteousness, but it's a battle lost now.
All the supermarkets now do the green for salt & vinegar and the blue for cheese & onion, they've caved to the Walkers dominance.
Fucking Lineker.
McCoys (KP) follow the same colours - Green - Cheddar & Onion / Blue - Salt & Malt Vinegar
I appreciate that you're on a roll of being wrong about everything tonight, but McCoys' historic marketing choices, dating back I believe to the 1980s have nothing to do with the current supermarket dominance of snack foods.
*with a weariness of spirit*
Tim, just because a supermarket sells a brand of crisp, that doesn't mean they control their brand and marketing.
Supermarkets now tend to copy the Walkers "green" for their own salt & vinegar crisps. Whereas they always used to be blue.
McCoys isn't a supermarket crisp. It's just a crisp that supermarkets sell.
Thanks for making this less fun than it was.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:18:43 PM
A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
Our local Sainsburys sells those.
I find them totally unacceptable.
I think we can discount your contribution to the crisp debate:Talking of McCoys, their Chip Shop Curry Sauce flavour are fucking brilliant.
Poncing around in farm shops, buying Tyrells, the fucking well-specced Jaguar of the crisps world.
You've changed.
Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 11:19:31 PM
Oregano is a fine ingredient in a puttanesca, it's not a fucking flavour for crisps.
I don't know which of these opinions is worse.
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 11:20:18 PM
In the 80's Hedgehog flavour crisps were nice (tasted a bit like chicken), can't remember who launched themgreen bag i think
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2023, 11:20:35 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 11:20:57 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 11:21:03 PM
Pret have a very nice Christmas Dinner flavoured sandwich at the moment.
We had the christmas sandwich offering from Cafe Nero on Saturday, it was very good.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:22:06 PM
Pret have a very nice Christmas Dinner flavoured sandwich at the moment.
We had the christmas sandwich offering from Cafe Nero on Saturday, it was very good.
I've had that one, too, and agree, very nice indeed.
Although felt a bit sick afterwards.
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:22:12 PM
AV84 is right, bread sauce is an abomination. Ads, when it comes to Monster Munch it goes 1) Flamin' Hot, 2) Pickled Onion. We don't agree on much, but I can let politics go. On this, my fists will be laid all over you.
Beef Monster Munch is better than the other two. This is a red line issue.
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 11:22:15 PM
I might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.yes, from Smiths (i think) who also do Scampi Fries and Bacon Rashers , they are like Superfoods of the crisp world
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 18, 2023, 11:22:35 PM
Ah, you're a bigot then.Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Careful that you don't fall off that moral high ground. Who mentioned human rights?
But what gives you the right to brand / name call someone who may not have the same view as you....that's very right wing don't you think?
No.
I get that you're not very clever, and I guess that's not your fault, but you've made some logical leaps there.
I mentioned human rights. I don't have the time or inclination to Google the various controversies around Gary Lineker's tweets, but from memory, they're mostly to do with fair treatment of refugees, the feeding of poor children and Russian money influencing UK government policy. These are all human rights issues. That's why I mentioned human rights.
You are a poster who continually moans about keeping sport and politics separate. Why is that (I know the answer to this, by the way)? And what is your problem with the concept of people having human rights?
You also ought to stop calling other people scum (I know you haven't done that in any of the quoted remarks, but you do), but then I guess you have a human right to do so, even if it doesn't reflect particularly well on you.
Wow, that's me told. I did not know how much you followed what I said so much. If you know the answer to my question then add mind reading to your sanctimonious skill set.
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 11:22:37 PM
Last year Aldi had some pigs in blanket flavour crisps that were the shape of Wotsits. They were nice.
I reckon they might have been the sausage roll ones. If so, I bought a pack in Coventry Aldi a week ago.
Like a Wotsit but the size of your thumb, and really good.
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 11:22:55 PM
(https://brand-uk.assets.kfc.co.uk/2023-11/W9_23_STUFFING_BURGER_BANNER_800x800px_65Q.jpg?VersionId=z_I7pn6r5FxN6DX3QOTw6Pa5sW9bztv4)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 11:22:56 PM
Oregano is a fine ingredient in a puttanesca, it's not a fucking flavour for crisps.
I don't know which of these opinions is worse.
Ha! It's the whore's pasta one.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:23:12 PM
Like Space Raiders.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 11:23:35 PM
I might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.
Salt and Shake. I think walkers took over the company that did them and now Walkers branded. Was it Golden Wonder?
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 18, 2023, 11:23:47 PM
A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
Our local Sainsburys sells those.
I find them totally unacceptable.
I think we can discount your contribution to the crisp debate:Talking of McCoys, their Chip Shop Curry Sauce flavour are fucking brilliant.
Poncing around in farm shops, buying Tyrells, the fucking well-specced Jaguar of the crisps world.
You've changed.
Nothing is too good for the working class, or so they tell me.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 11:23:50 PM
I might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.
These are the ones I remember as a nipper a bag of them and a glass bottle of coke with a shit paper straw and stuck outside a pub hours.
(https://museumofcrisps.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/saltnshake-3.jpg?w=387)
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 11:24:06 PM
Pickled Onion followed by Beef or Flamin Hot.AV84 is right, bread sauce is an abomination. Ads, when it comes to Monster Munch it goes 1) Flamin' Hot, 2) Pickled Onion. We don't agree on much, but I can let politics go. On this, my fists will be laid all over you.
Beef Monster Munch is better than the other two. This is a red line issue.
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:24:20 PM
Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 11:24:38 PM
Oregano is a fine ingredient in a puttanesca, it's not a fucking flavour for crisps.
I don't know which of these opinions is worse.
Ha! It's the whore's pasta one.
You're right, there are many crisp flavours, but you've ruined the only puttanesca. No more whores for you!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:24:52 PM
I might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.yes, from Smiths (i think) who also do Scampi Fries and Bacon Rashers , they are like Superfoods of the crisp world
I still buy them, Salt and Shake.
They're not Smiths, though, they're Walkers.
My Mrs tries to stop me buying them, she reckons she finds the little blue packets all over the house.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 11:25:19 PM
The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
But then you have Pickled Onion Monster Munch, but also Roast Beef monster munch so fails on that side.
Anyway, Smokey Bacon is the best, especially if the snack is shaped like bacon rashers.
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 11:25:54 PM
You can tell who the Nazis are on here by their lack of hair and their predilection for Pickled Onion crisps.
they're worse than fucking nazis, I could share a lift with a nazi...
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 11:26:27 PM
they were Smiths though til Linekers lot bought them . W*****RI might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.yes, from Smiths (i think) who also do Scampi Fries and Bacon Rashers , they are like Superfoods of the crisp world
I still buy them, Salt and Shake.
They're not Smiths, though, they're Walkers.
My Mrs tries to stop me buying them, she reckons she finds the little blue packets all over the house.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 11:26:44 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:27:05 PM
The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
But then you have Pickled Onion Monster Munch, but also Roast Beef monster munch so fails on that side.
Anyway, Smokey Bacon is the best, especially if the snack is shaped like bacon rashers.
Good point, well made, but sadly, I can confirm you are wrong on that one.
Whilst I love Roast Beef Monster Munch, too, the pickled onion ones have the added benefit that they're at times almost painful to eat (roof of mouth irritation, back of throat aggrevation).
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2023, 11:27:13 PM
I might get lambasted for even asking this but do they still make those plain crisps with the little blue salt bag inside? Crisps, lightly salted for the more delicate caring tongue and discerning palate.
These are the ones I remember as a nipper a bag of them and a glass bottle of coke with a shit paper straw and stuck outside a pub hours.
(https://museumofcrisps.files.wordpress.com/2020/07/saltnshake-3.jpg?w=387)
Yep superb. Loved those. Truth be told I’m still a bastard for plain crisps. There is a brand here called Miss Vickie’s. A kettle crisp with a delightful crunch in every bite. Throw in a cheese or spicy dip and it’s a winner.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 11:27:41 PM
Last year Aldi had some pigs in blanket flavour crisps that were the shape of Wotsits. They were nice.
I reckon they might have been the sausage roll ones. If so, I bought a pack in Coventry Aldi a week ago.
Like a Wotsit but the size of your thumb, and really good.
You could be right, either way they were very nice.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 11:28:07 PM
Ah, you're a bigot then.Interesting how name calling / making assumptions about people is deemed ok when it suits.
What is it about human rights that you object to?
Careful that you don't fall off that moral high ground. Who mentioned human rights?
But what gives you the right to brand / name call someone who may not have the same view as you....that's very right wing don't you think?
No.
I get that you're not very clever, and I guess that's not your fault, but you've made some logical leaps there.
I mentioned human rights. I don't have the time or inclination to Google the various controversies around Gary Lineker's tweets, but from memory, they're mostly to do with fair treatment of refugees, the feeding of poor children and Russian money influencing UK government policy. These are all human rights issues. That's why I mentioned human rights.
You are a poster who continually moans about keeping sport and politics separate. Why is that (I know the answer to this, by the way)? And what is your problem with the concept of people having human rights?
You also ought to stop calling other people scum (I know you haven't done that in any of the quoted remarks, but you do), but then I guess you have a human right to do so, even if it doesn't reflect particularly well on you.
Wow, that's me told. I did not know how much you followed what I said so much. If you know the answer to my question then add mind reading to your sanctimonious skill set.
Yes, I will. Are we talking about my skills in sanctimony, or my general sklilset, all of which you consider to be sanctimonious - things like balance, punctuality, skimming stones and dancing with women?
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 11:28:23 PM
The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.When we last meet up for a game of cards and had to take snacks I took a giant bag of Pickled Onion Space Raiders, bloody marvellous. I love those cheap shit crisps.
Like Space Raiders.
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 11:28:34 PM
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:28:38 PM
The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
But then you have Pickled Onion Monster Munch, but also Roast Beef monster munch so fails on that side.
Anyway, Smokey Bacon is the best, especially if the snack is shaped like bacon rashers.
Good point, well made, but sadly, I can confirm you are wrong on that one.
Whilst I love Roast Beef Monster Munch, too, the pickled onion ones have the added benefit that they're at times almost painful to eat (roof of mouth irritation, back of throat aggrevation).
Sounds like Max Mosely's idea of a good crisp. And we all know who his dad was. You fash! You pickled onion eating fascist.
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 11:28:48 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:28:57 PM
Beef Monster Munch were lovely when they first launched back in the day, then they changed the flavour and they were shit.
The worst 'changing how we make them' in the snack world in recent years is the total fucking ruination of Twiglets by changing their production method, and CROWING ABOUT IT on the packaging, to such an extent they've rendered them inedible.
And before anyone says otherwise, Twiglets were amongst the kings of the festive snack sector.
Post by: Clampy on December 18, 2023, 11:29:15 PM
Beef Monster Munch were lovely when they first launched back in the day, then they changed the flavour and they were shit.
Walkers Beef and Onion went the same way sadly.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 11:29:22 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 11:29:39 PM
try Prawn Cocktail Discos , you don't even have to chew they just dissolve . like going down on a relatively cheap hookerThe rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.When we last meet up for a game of cards and had to take snacks I took a giant bag of Pickled Onion Space Raiders, bloody marvellous. I love those cheap shit crisps.
Like Space Raiders.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 18, 2023, 11:30:13 PM
The Christmas sarnies are an abomination by the way and a strong signifier of a culture laid to waste.
Over here, they want to toss cranberry sauce or stuffing into everything to cheaply engage in the “Christmas Spirit”. What you have instead is just a shit turkey sandwich.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:30:30 PM
The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
But then you have Pickled Onion Monster Munch, but also Roast Beef monster munch so fails on that side.
Anyway, Smokey Bacon is the best, especially if the snack is shaped like bacon rashers.
Good point, well made, but sadly, I can confirm you are wrong on that one.
Whilst I love Roast Beef Monster Munch, too, the pickled onion ones have the added benefit that they're at times almost painful to eat (roof of mouth irritation, back of throat aggrevation).
Sounds like Max Mosely's idea of a good crisp. And we all know who his dad was. You fash! You pickled onion eating fascist.
There's a section in Homage to Catalonia where Orwell is in hospital and discovers a pack of pickled onion Monster Munch his mother hid away in his case before he left.
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 11:31:15 PM
Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 11:31:23 PM
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:31:38 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 11:31:44 PM
The Christmas sarnies are an abomination by the way and a strong signifier of a culture laid to waste.
Heathen! The cafe at the place I used to work did a December special of turkey, bacon, stuffing and cranberry which is hands down the best sandwich ever.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:31:51 PM
try Prawn Cocktail Discos , you don't even have to chew they just dissolveThe rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.When we last meet up for a game of cards and had to take snacks I took a giant bag of Pickled Onion Space Raiders, bloody marvellous. I love those cheap shit crisps.
Like Space Raiders.
Their inclusion in the multipack offering is sufficiently positive to outweigh the presence of cheese and onion packets (albeit in the correct green packaging).
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 11:32:02 PM
I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 11:32:07 PM
You can tell who the Nazis are on here by their lack of hair and their predilection for Pickled Onion crisps.
they're worse than fucking nazis, I could share a lift with a nazi...
Ha! You're fucking scared of pickled onion. Admit it, you coward. You'd still kiss me. I know you would.
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:32:47 PM
I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Fuck yes. Loved these.
We used to buy these at the pub, with scampi fries and whatever crisps they have and open all the bags to make a "family plater" to share. Very egalitarian.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 11:32:50 PM
Walkers Beef and Onion went the same way sadly.
I absolutely loved those, then they changed the flavour and they were horrible.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:33:04 PM
The Christmas sarnies are an abomination by the way and a strong signifier of a culture laid to waste.
Heathen! The cafe at the place I used to work did a December special of turkey, bacon, stuffing and cranberry which is hands down the best sandwich ever.
Philpotts in town used to (I think they've all closed now? At least the Gt Charles St one has) do a pastrami, stilton and chilli sandwich which is the greatest I've ever had.
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 11:33:04 PM
I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 11:33:09 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 11:33:29 PM
The rule re pickled onion crisps is that, if a product has that flavour available, it is their best.
Like Space Raiders.
But then you have Pickled Onion Monster Munch, but also Roast Beef monster munch so fails on that side.
Anyway, Smokey Bacon is the best, especially if the snack is shaped like bacon rashers.
Good point, well made, but sadly, I can confirm you are wrong on that one.
Whilst I love Roast Beef Monster Munch, too, the pickled onion ones have the added benefit that they're at times almost painful to eat (roof of mouth irritation, back of throat aggrevation).
Sounds like Max Mosely's idea of a good crisp. And we all know who his dad was. You fash! You pickled onion eating fascist.
There's a section in Homage to Catalonia where Orwell is in hospital and discovers a pack of pickled onion Monster Munch his mother hid away in his case before he left.
And what was Orwell's name? Eric BLIAR WAR CRIMINAL!
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 11:34:01 PM
You can tell who the Nazis are on here by their lack of hair and their predilection for Pickled Onion crisps.
they're worse than fucking nazis, I could share a lift with a nazi...
Ha! You're fucking scared of pickled onion. Admit it, you coward. You'd still kiss me. I know you would.
well of course, there's always exceptions!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 11:34:03 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Yes, yes and yes.
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 11:34:20 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Scampi Fries are ace, their version of bacon though is no Frazzle.
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:34:38 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
I stand on top of a hill with them, ready to fight all comers in their defence and die, if I must.
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 11:34:53 PM
I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
You still get the sort of cracker type ones in Home Bargains.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 11:35:09 PM
I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Because you said crisp, I thought they had changed. Personally didn't like them because they were little biscuits and I had chocolate covered animals if I wanted biscuits.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 11:35:35 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
I stand on top of a hill with them, ready to fight all comers in their defence and die, if I must.
I will die with you, sister. x
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 11:35:53 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?the Ambassador says , excellente
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 11:35:54 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 11:36:05 PM
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:36:16 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
I stand on top of a hill with them, ready to fight all comers in their defence and die, if I must.
I will die with you, sister. x
You, me, Captain Tom and scampi fries. GSTK.
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 11:36:26 PM
I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Because you said crisp, I thought they had changed. Personally didn't like them because they were little biscuits and I had chocolate covered animals if I wanted biscuits.
Well that’s true, but then Monster Munch and Space Invaders are not really crisps in the true sense.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 11:36:51 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 11:37:07 PM
What about Doritos and dips?
Doritos are the least good tortilla chips. I personally enjoy Asda's round ones. Just lightly salted but perfect for dips.
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 11:37:17 PM
What about Doritos and dips?
Arty, farty foreign muck.
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 11:37:26 PM
Eat that Lineker you ******
Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 11:37:38 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 11:38:06 PM
Tyrells are my brand of choice, they do the best salt and vinegar...
To pull things back to what is clearly the most important issue on the table. I reckon to most S&V aficionados, it's how strip-your-tastebuds strong they are, and having spent a lifetime looking for the right one, Tyrells have barely even registered for me.
Discos always *were* the answer back in the '90s. You had probably a one in five chance with a rogue bag of Chipsticks. Corn snacks were usually better than crisps.
I reckon that the current top three from my extensive research is
(3) Burts
(2) Aldi posh ones
(1) Co-op posh ones
Very interested to hear of anything that I've not come across yet.
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 11:38:22 PM
The Christmas sarnies are an abomination by the way and a strong signifier of a culture laid to waste.
Heathen! The cafe at the place I used to work did a December special of turkey, bacon, stuffing and cranberry which is hands down the best sandwich ever.
Philpotts in town used to (I think they've all closed now? At least the Gt Charles St one has) do a pastrami, stilton and chilli sandwich which is the greatest I've ever had.
Yes, we used to always order in from there when there was an event in the office and that was one of the options we insisted on, not quite as good as ^ though.
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 18, 2023, 11:38:42 PM
A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
Amazing these, and only a slight stripping of the top layer of the tongue, no where near the Discos annihilation of the taste buds
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 11:38:47 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 18, 2023, 11:39:26 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
Indeed, preferably straight out of the freezer.
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 11:39:42 PM
Home Bargains and B&M are a couple of the best places to have a variety of crisps that aren't just sodding Walkers and McCoys.the polar opposite store to a Farm Shop
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 11:39:54 PM
Tyrells are my brand of choice, they do the best salt and vinegar...
To pull things back to what is clearly the most important issue on the table. I reckon to most S&V aficionados, it's how strip-your-tastebuds strong they are, and having spent a lifetime looking for the right one, Tyrells have barely even registered for me.
Discos always *were* the answer back in the '90s. You had probably a one in five chance with a rogue bag of Chipsticks. Corn snacks were usually better than crisps.
Maybe controversial but.... salt & vinegar Pringles are good for burning off some taste buds.
Post by: Martyn Smith on December 18, 2023, 11:40:03 PM
I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Because you said crisp, I thought they had changed. Personally didn't like them because they were little biscuits and I had chocolate covered animals if I wanted biscuits.
We had both. A pack of chocolate animals, a pack of fish n chips and a bottle of lemonade were our weekly treat from Minworth Carrefour. But we were posh
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 11:40:29 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 18, 2023, 11:41:36 PM
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:41:47 PM
What about Doritos and dips?
Arty, farty foreign muck.
Agreed. We didn't have Brexit to flood our shops with bloody Doritos. Their blue packet isn't even a flavour; Cool Original. What the fuck is that?
Post by: Martyn Smith on December 18, 2023, 11:41:48 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
Indeed, preferably straight out of the freezer.
Mneh. I don't dislike them but they aren't on my top twenty favourite chocolate brands. I will eat one if offered, but that's about it...
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:42:27 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
When I split up with my wife, she fucked off to work for Ferrero Rocher in Luxembourg.
So whenever I think of FR, I think of her sour fucking face.
That's how I manage not to like them.
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 18, 2023, 11:42:45 PM
Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 11:42:54 PM
I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Because you said crisp, I thought they had changed. Personally didn't like them because they were little biscuits and I had chocolate covered animals if I wanted biscuits.
We had both. A pack of chocolate animals, a pack of fish n chips and a bottle of lemonade were our weekly treat from Minworth Carrefour. But we were posh
Slightly different, but when my ok’ man took me to a pub, I’d get a pint of lemonade and dip my salt and vinegar crisps in it. One of my daughters do that now as well!
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 11:43:15 PM
Hell on Earth.Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:43:51 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
Indeed, preferably straight out of the freezer.
Mneh. I don't dislike them but they aren't on my top twenty favourite chocolate brands. I will eat one if offered, but that's about it...
Some Corbynista you are.
I'd have thought a 30 years past use-by date Club biscuit would be more on-message.
*wink*
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 11:43:58 PM
Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Penneys, hun!
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 11:44:11 PM
Tyrells are my brand of choice, they do the best salt and vinegar...
To pull things back to what is clearly the most important issue on the table. I reckon to most S&V aficionados, it's how strip-your-tastebuds strong they are, and having spent a lifetime looking for the right one, Tyrells have barely even registered for me.
Discos always *were* the answer back in the '90s. You had probably a one in five chance with a rogue bag of Chipsticks. Corn snacks were usually better than crisps.
I reckon that the current top three from my extensive research is
(3) Burts
(2) Aldi posh ones
(1) Co-op posh ones
Very interested to hear of anything that I've not come across yet.
I used to agree and if i'm after something like that co-op is my go to, but I struggle with the really strong ones now after I broke my jaw a few years back, there's 3-4 things I used to really like that trigger pain and sadly those crisps are top of the list.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:44:33 PM
Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
The worst thing Ireland sent this way since U2.
Post by: Dave on December 18, 2023, 11:45:02 PM
I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Because you said crisp, I thought they had changed. Personally didn't like them because they were little biscuits and I had chocolate covered animals if I wanted biscuits.
You've got the Fish N Chips brand of snack, which isn't fish and chips flavoured (although they might have done that in the day).
Small, Mini Cheddar style biscuits. Usually salt and vinegar flavoured. Although I had pickled onion ones in the house recently.
All fine, but League One level at best.
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 11:45:13 PM
Post by: Ads on December 18, 2023, 11:45:27 PM
Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Penneys, hun!
Sold out to the Brits long ago.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 18, 2023, 11:45:33 PM
Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Penneys, hun!
Yes, I know.
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 11:45:51 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:47:03 PM
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 11:47:25 PM
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Italy have little sweets called Bacci (?) that are chocolate and hazelnut but I think without the Nuttela. I don't even like chocolate but I'd kill for those little things.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:47:58 PM
Now who remembers Flanagans Beef and Mustard. I think that was the brand? What a crisp that was.
Excellent for clearing your sinuses. Better than Sudafed.
Post by: Ian. on December 18, 2023, 11:48:05 PM
Now who remembers Flanagans Beef and Mustard. I think that was the brand? What a crisp that was.
Actually it was Brannigans.
(https://i.ibb.co/PZLXqC3/IMG-0082.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PZLXqC3)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:50:14 PM
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Italy have little sweets called Bacci (?) that are chocolate and hazelnut but I think without the Nuttela. I don't even like chocolate but I'd kill for those little things.
They never really did it for me. I'd eat them but they're not real top division things.
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 11:50:37 PM
My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
I'm the only person I know that likes pickled eggs (until now), but they're magic with a bag of chips after several pints.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:50:59 PM
Now who remembers Flanagans Beef and Mustard. I think that was the brand? What a crisp that was.
Actually it was Brannigans.
(https://i.ibb.co/PZLXqC3/IMG-0082.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PZLXqC3)
They'd certainly test your Self Control.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 11:52:12 PM
My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
Rodders, of this parish, has a way of doctoring a packet of pork scratchings with Tabasco and Worcester Sauce that would leave any red-blooded man hyperventilating for more. Hell of a guy.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:52:15 PM
My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
I'm the only person I know that likes pickled eggs (until now), but they're magic with a bag of chips after several pints.
Yes absolutely they are.
My Mrs finds it incredible that I like them. One of those little differences that show I was brought up in Hall Green and she Solihull.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on December 18, 2023, 11:52:18 PM
Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 11:52:32 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
When I split up with my wife, she fucked off to work for Ferrero Rocher in Luxembourg.
So whenever I think of FR, I think of her sour fucking face.
That's how I manage not to like them.
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Pocket Coffee is extremely still a thing.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:53:02 PM
My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
Rodders, of this parish, has a way of doctoring a packet of pork scratchings with Tabasco and Worcester Sauce that would leave any red-blooded man hyperventilating for more. Hell of a guy.
Snacks alchemy.
Snalchemy
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:53:18 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
When I split up with my wife, she fucked off to work for Ferrero Rocher in Luxembourg.
So whenever I think of FR, I think of her sour fucking face.
That's how I manage not to like them.
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Pocket Coffee is extremely still a thing.
They're fucking awesome.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 11:53:39 PM
I noticed Fish N Chips flavour crisps were at the garage the other day, now that’s another fine pack of crisps.
Remember when it used to be a small biscuit type of snack?
That’s them, are they not that now?
Because you said crisp, I thought they had changed. Personally didn't like them because they were little biscuits and I had chocolate covered animals if I wanted biscuits.
You've got the Fish N Chips brand of snack, which isn't fish and chips flavoured (although they might have done that in the day).
Small, Mini Cheddar style biscuits. Usually salt and vinegar flavoured. Although I had pickled onion ones in the house recently.
All fine, but League One level at best.
Thats the one. Non-league for me.
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 11:54:05 PM
Post by: paul_e on December 18, 2023, 11:55:06 PM
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Italy have little sweets called Bacci (?) that are chocolate and hazelnut but I think without the Nuttela. I don't even like chocolate but I'd kill for those little things.
They never really did it for me. I'd eat them but they're not real top division things.
Whenever I go to Italy and get snacks I spot some form of amaretti and never look further.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 18, 2023, 11:55:06 PM
I like the Roysters steak crisps, you can still get them in B&M. They used to do large peanuts back in the 90's as well and they were sensationally good but they disappeared and I can't find any evidence of them on the internet.
As (I think) PWS said earlier, B&M is a gold mine for weird or rare foodstuffs.
You can probably still find cigarette sweets in there if you look hard enough.
Post by: AV84 on December 18, 2023, 11:56:55 PM
Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Penneys, hun!
Sold out to the Brits long ago.
I could be wrong but I think they're still Irish. They just use the Primark name outside Ireland.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 11:57:46 PM
Pickled eggs are lovely.
I used to see Pickled Eggs and Pickled onions in chippies and thought the jars must be at least 10 years old the amount I see being sold. When I used to live on the border of West Brom/ Oldbury, one chippy near me used to do the biggest pickled onions I have ever seen before or since. Each was almost the size of a full white onion. I didn't try any but they must have been value for money compared to the normal size ones in every other chippy.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 11:58:05 PM
I like the Roysters steak crisps, you can still get them in B&M. They used to do large peanuts back in the 90's as well and they were sensationally good but they disappeared and I can't find any evidence of them on the internet.
There used to be a brand that did really proper flavours like ham and mustard. They leaned into their old-fashiondness. If anyone knows, you will. Excellent crisps.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 18, 2023, 11:58:19 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 18, 2023, 11:58:27 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 18, 2023, 11:58:53 PM
I like the Roysters steak crisps, you can still get them in B&M. They used to do large peanuts back in the 90's as well and they were sensationally good but they disappeared and I can't find any evidence of them on the internet.
As (I think) PWS said earlier, B&M is a gold mine for weird or rare foodstuffs.
You can probably still find cigarette sweets in there if you look hard enough.
I've noticed the pick and mix options in most places now are very poor with crappy selections and no chocolate limes.
Post by: Monty on December 18, 2023, 11:59:44 PM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
When I split up with my wife, she fucked off to work for Ferrero Rocher in Luxembourg.
So whenever I think of FR, I think of her sour fucking face.
That's how I manage not to like them.
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Pocket Coffee is extremely still a thing.
They're fucking awesome.
They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 12:01:59 AM
Where do we stand on Scampi fries, the Ferrero Rocher of deep fried snacks?
Ferrero Rocher because nobody could actually stand them?
How could *anybody* not like Ferrero Rocher!?
When I split up with my wife, she fucked off to work for Ferrero Rocher in Luxembourg.
So whenever I think of FR, I think of her sour fucking face.
That's how I manage not to like them.
although when i lived in Italy, I used to love those intense coffee flavoured ones they did, and the cherry ones too, can't remember their name.
Oh, hang on, Pocket Coffee. That's it.
Pocket Coffee is extremely still a thing.
They're fucking awesome.
They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
Foreign crisps, man. Foreign crisps...
Post by: VillaTim on December 19, 2023, 12:02:26 AM
Post by: Ads on December 19, 2023, 12:03:08 AM
Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Penneys, hun!
Sold out to the Brits long ago.
I could be wrong but I think they're still Irish. They just use the Primark name outside Ireland.
Still HQ in Ireland, but they're a wholly owned subsidiary of Associated British Foods.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 19, 2023, 12:04:25 AM
They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
My main memory of day to day food buying in Italy was how it was impossible to buy bread from a supermarket which was not hard.
Post by: Ian. on December 19, 2023, 12:05:04 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2023, 12:06:33 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 12:06:47 AM
Home Bargains and B&M is nearly as bad walking through Primark though.
What's a Primark?
Penneys, hun!
Sold out to the Brits long ago.
I could be wrong but I think they're still Irish. They just use the Primark name outside Ireland.
Still HQ in Ireland, but they're a wholly owned subsidiary of Associated British Foods.
Oh, it's still the Weston family, I see. Mad to think Penneys are owned by the same people as Fortnum & Mason!
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 12:07:32 AM
They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
My main memory of day to day food buying in Italy was how it was impossible to buy bread from a supermarket which was not hard.
My theory is it's a conspiracy with the bakeries, who are all actually part-owned in secret by Crai or someone.
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2023, 12:08:01 AM
I haven’t seen Branston Pickle flavoured mini cheddars in years. That was always a great moment when they were in the crisp aisle.
Pork & Pickle pies have rendered standard Pork pies dead to me as well.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 19, 2023, 12:08:56 AM
They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
My main memory of day to day food buying in Italy was how it was impossible to buy bread from a supermarket which was not hard.
My theory is it's a conspiracy with the bakeries, who are all actually part-owned in secret by Crai or someone.
Do MS cigarettes still exist?
Always thought it was quite cool to have a state owned cigarette manufacturer.
Post by: Ian. on December 19, 2023, 12:09:38 AM
I was going to have an early night tonight as well, but no, I'll spend the evening pissing myself laughing at snack based posts on a thread ostensibly about MOTD instead.
Haha, see Lineker is a decent man after all for providing this nights entertainment.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 12:10:07 AM
I haven’t seen Branston Pickle flavoured mini cheddars in years. That was always a great moment when they were in the crisp aisle.
Pork & Pickle pies have rendered standard Pork pies dead to me as well.
The day there's enough pickle in a pork & pickle pie will be the day I retire from this planet.
Post by: Ian. on December 19, 2023, 12:11:30 AM
I haven’t seen Branston Pickle flavoured mini cheddars in years. That was always a great moment when they were in the crisp aisle.
Pork & Pickle pies have rendered standard Pork pies dead to me as well.
Before bastard Covid, our Sainsburys had a deli counter and they made the best pork pie with pickle. I used to drop my lad at boxing and go straight there for a glorious snack.
Post by: Ads on December 19, 2023, 12:11:36 AM
Post by: Monty on December 19, 2023, 12:12:41 AM
They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
My main memory of day to day food buying in Italy was how it was impossible to buy bread from a supermarket which was not hard.
My theory is it's a conspiracy with the bakeries, who are all actually part-owned in secret by Crai or someone.
Do MS cigarettes still exist?
Always thought it was quite cool to have a state owned cigarette manufacturer.
They do but they were privatised, in 2004 apparently. Shame, as that really was peak Italian policy (sell the cigarettes and use the funds to treat the people who bought the cigarettes in the first place).
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 19, 2023, 12:13:35 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 12:15:22 AM
They're great. Also Baci di Perugina, also Nutella do little bars and things now which rule...Italy has a lot of top chocolate, which makes up for their crisp game in which they're literally unaware of the existence of flavours beyond 'crisps'.
My main memory of day to day food buying in Italy was how it was impossible to buy bread from a supermarket which was not hard.
My theory is it's a conspiracy with the bakeries, who are all actually part-owned in secret by Crai or someone.
Do MS cigarettes still exist?
Always thought it was quite cool to have a state owned cigarette manufacturer.
They do but they were privatised, in 2004 apparently. Shame, as that really was peak Italian policy (sell the cigarettes and use the funds to treat the people who bought the cigarettes in the first place).
That's not mental, and is the reason why the UK should legalise all drugs.
Post by: Rodders on December 19, 2023, 12:15:52 AM
My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
Rodders, of this parish, has a way of doctoring a packet of pork scratchings with Tabasco and Worcester Sauce that would leave any red-blooded man hyperventilating for more. Hell of a guy.
Snacks alchemy.
Snalchemy
I spent six years as the better half of a double Michelin starred restaurateuse, yet my hot hairy hog never made it to the menu. It takes a man of Paddy's impeccable taste to recognise its greatness: her loss and very much his gain.
Once Paulie and I have Snalchemy established I hope we will launch a school where talented young uns cam.learn more. The Snalchademy has a lovely ring to it. Or so long as that leftie shithouse Linikar hasn't personally closed down all private educational facilities by then, anyway.
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2023, 12:16:28 AM
Definitely seeing a correlation between weird snack choices and hair loss. This thread is like the Zapurder film for uncovering the truth.
That's funny as my hair is receding back and to the left.
Post by: Ads on December 19, 2023, 12:17:08 AM
Definitely seeing a correlation between weird snack choices and hair loss. This thread is like the Zapurder film for uncovering the truth.
That's funny as my hair is receding back and to the left.
*narrows eyes*
We're through the looking glass.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 12:18:34 AM
My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
Rodders, of this parish, has a way of doctoring a packet of pork scratchings with Tabasco and Worcester Sauce that would leave any red-blooded man hyperventilating for more. Hell of a guy.
Snacks alchemy.
Snalchemy
I spent six years as the better half of a double Michelin starred restaurateuse, yet my hot hairy hog never made it to the menu. It takes a man of Paddy's impeccable taste to recognise its greatness: her loss and very much his gain.
Once Paulie and I have Snalchemy established I hope we will launch a school where talented young uns cam.learn more. The Snalchademy has a lovely ring to it. Or so long as that leftie shithouse Linikar hasn't personally closed down all private educational facilities by then, anyway.
Isn't it a bit right-wing to advocate for pig-snacks?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 12:19:43 AM
Definitely seeing a correlation between weird snack choices and hair loss. This thread is like the Zapurder film for uncovering the truth.
That's funny as my hair is receding back and to the left.
*narrows eyes*
We're through the looking glass.
Baldness is like bankruptcy, it happens slowly, then all-at-once.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 19, 2023, 12:21:40 AM
Absolute instant 'who-gives-a-fuck' treatment.
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2023, 12:23:20 AM
My best mate at university was from Cornwall. One weekend, a load of us went down there for a long weekend.
We were surprised to see multiple occasions of people in pubs ordering a pickled egg (pickled eggs are fucking amazing, mind) and a bag of salt and vinegar crisps, and then dropping the egg into the crisps for consumption.
Then we tried it, and understood why. Brilliant.
Rodders, of this parish, has a way of doctoring a packet of pork scratchings with Tabasco and Worcester Sauce that would leave any red-blooded man hyperventilating for more. Hell of a guy.
Snacks alchemy.
Snalchemy
I spent six years as the better half of a double Michelin starred restaurateuse, yet my hot hairy hog never made it to the menu. It takes a man of Paddy's impeccable taste to recognise its greatness: her loss and very much his gain.
Once Paulie and I have Snalchemy established I hope we will launch a school where talented young uns cam.learn more. The Snalchademy has a lovely ring to it. Or so long as that leftie shithouse Linikar hasn't personally closed down all private educational facilities by then, anyway.
I read that as 'hair loss and very much his gain' which I thought was an interesting way of looking at it and a great piece of body positivity to soothe any insecurities.
Post by: Gareth on December 19, 2023, 12:30:05 AM
A few weeks ago we were in a farm shop and bought some Tyrell's balsamic root vegetable crisps. They were, quiet simply, the finest snacks ever, even better than hairy scratchings.
Our local Sainsburys sells those.
I find them totally unacceptable.
I think we can discount your contribution to the crisp debate:Talking of McCoys, their Chip Shop Curry Sauce flavour are fucking brilliant.
Poncing around in farm shops, buying Tyrells, the fucking well-specced Jaguar of the crisps world.
You've changed.
Nothing is too good for the working class, or so they tell me.
Except season tickets :-)
Post by: Ian. on December 19, 2023, 12:39:29 AM
I used to get really wound up about losing my hair. Then I made the decision to get a set of clippers and grade one clip the fuckers off.
Absolute instant 'who-gives-a-fuck' treatment.
Yep, once a week, otherwise strangely I seem to look more bald the more my hair grows.
I’ve also discovered I like hats.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 19, 2023, 12:43:52 AM
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 12:58:06 AM
It’s a good job this isn’t the transfer thread, there would be some very excited posters looking at the page count in the morning.
It took right off, didn't it?
I'm pretty confident I've missed the moment by at least 8 pages or so, but another vote for Taytos.
(https://i.ibb.co/qWysgZd/tayto-park.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qWysgZd)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 19, 2023, 01:16:54 AM
I'm pretty confident I've missed the moment by at least 8 pages or so, but another vote for Taytos.
(https://i.ibb.co/qWysgZd/tayto-park.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qWysgZd)
The original flavoured crisps and still the No. 1. Ireland's gift to the World.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 19, 2023, 01:42:15 AM
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 02:25:54 AM
I'm pretty confident I've missed the moment by at least 8 pages or so, but another vote for Taytos.
(https://i.ibb.co/qWysgZd/tayto-park.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qWysgZd)
The original flavoured crisps and still the No. 1. Ireland's gift to the World.
You're only bang on, BV.
And that isn't indiscriminate pro-Irish stuff. The Irish have long-enjoyed an unfair claim over the sensation of drunkenness and whimsy.
But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 19, 2023, 02:40:34 AM
Post by: Bad English on December 19, 2023, 05:29:34 AM
(https://i.ibb.co/k1TqXpp/download.jpg) (https://ibb.co/BNJTBmm)I would like to take this moment to pledge fealty to British crisps. Foreign crisps are shit. All of them. IDST.
They're literally all just plain or paprika aren't they?
Surely, one of the most exciting things about going abroad on holiday is foreign crisps and sweets.
Jesus. I can't believe, I'm 55 and still genuinely think this.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on December 19, 2023, 07:45:11 AM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on December 19, 2023, 08:05:28 AM
Yep H&V. Where a Match of the Day thread morphs from made up political controversy of its host to a full on discussion about crisps and sandwiches. Don’t ever change H&V.I'll second that.
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2023, 08:16:48 AM
Wasn't overly shocked to see Shearer and Wright supporting Watkins in his celebration. Strikers union.
IIRC Shearer was mad on Smokey Bacon crisps as a player.
Post by: thick_mike on December 19, 2023, 08:17:34 AM
Wasn't overly shocked to see Shearer and Wright supporting Watkins in his celebration. Strikers union.
IIRC Shearer was mad on Smokey Bacon crisps as a player.
Chicken and beans man!
Post by: Baldy on December 19, 2023, 08:26:12 AM
Definitely seeing a correlation between weird snack choices and hair loss. This thread is like the Zapurder film for uncovering the truth.
That's funny as my hair is receding back and to the left.
*narrows eyes*
We're through the looking glass.
Baldness is like bankruptcy, it happens slowly, then all-at-once.
Hair today, gone tomorrow.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 19, 2023, 09:30:57 AM
Post by: FrankyH on December 19, 2023, 09:34:22 AM
I'm pretty confident I've missed the moment by at least 8 pages or so, but another vote for Taytos.
(https://i.ibb.co/qWysgZd/tayto-park.jpg) (https://ibb.co/qWysgZd)
The original flavoured crisps and still the No. 1. Ireland's gift to the World.
You're only bang on, BV.
And that isn't indiscriminate pro-Irish stuff. The Irish have long-enjoyed an unfair claim over the sensation of drunkenness and whimsy.
But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
Available in The Witton Arms and The Diggers on Moor Lane.
Post by: Hillbilly on December 19, 2023, 09:36:29 AM
Northern Tayto or Southern Tayto?
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2023, 09:36:29 AM
But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
This is awkward, Golden Wonder ARE Tayto! ;)
Post by: Hillbilly on December 19, 2023, 09:54:43 AM
But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
This is awkward, Golden Wonder ARE Tayto! ;)
In the same way that Lamborghini are Volkswagen. And on a technicality your honour, GW are owned by the superior north Tayto which is different to the inferior south Tayto.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 10:17:25 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 10:17:33 AM
Narrows eyes. Clenches fists…
Northern Tayto or Southern Tayto?
As far as the bog standard crisps go, I must say I do prefer the Nordy Tayto. But Hunky Dorys are superior to all others.
Post by: purpletrousers on December 19, 2023, 10:20:42 AM
Axl-Nick are you with me?!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 10:21:40 AM
Post by: Ian. on December 19, 2023, 10:29:23 AM
Just woke up (I'm self-employed). I feel like I went to bed with Salt and Vinegar Discos, and now I'm making a cup of tea and calling an awkward taxi for Wheat Crunchies.
I’m sure VillaTim spent the night dreaming about Salt and Lineker crisps.
Post by: ian c. on December 19, 2023, 10:37:17 AM
If you ate a Disco and a Square simultaneously, you'd cry all the water out of your body and die.
Bravo.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 19, 2023, 10:37:49 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on December 19, 2023, 10:43:11 AM
I honestly can’t keep up. But has there been a shout for Japanese pea (green pod shaped) crisps? Sadly too often with Bonito (fish) powder, but not always, these should not be left out of debate.
Axl-Nick are you with me?!
Hello mate! I hope all is good with you, but edamame crisps??? Oh dear. 😂
But PM me your address and I'll send you some key absolute edamame crisp type delights.
Consome is all the rage here when it comes to crisps, as is nori (dried seaweed). Both utter savagery.
Japanese food is my favourite in the whole wide world, but crisps? Nope.
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2023, 10:48:24 AM
But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
This is awkward, Golden Wonder ARE Tayto! ;)
In the same way that Lamborghini are Volkswagen. And on a technicality your honour, GW are owned by the superior north Tayto which is different to the inferior south Tayto.
The same factory in Corby not far from me make Golden Wonder and Tayto crisps. How many different ways are there of frying a thin slice of potato?!
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2023, 10:54:01 AM
But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
This is awkward, Golden Wonder ARE Tayto! ;)
In the same way that Lamborghini are Volkswagen. And on a technicality your honour, GW are owned by the superior north Tayto which is different to the inferior south Tayto.
The same factory in Corby not far from me make Golden Wonder and Tayto crisps. How many different ways are there of frying a thin slice of potato?!
Tell me you're not Irish without telling me you're not Irish.
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2023, 10:59:24 AM
But try Tayto and you won't go back to Walkers or Golden Wonder.
This is awkward, Golden Wonder ARE Tayto! ;)
In the same way that Lamborghini are Volkswagen. And on a technicality your honour, GW are owned by the superior north Tayto which is different to the inferior south Tayto.
The same factory in Corby not far from me make Golden Wonder and Tayto crisps. How many different ways are there of frying a thin slice of potato?!
Tell me you're not Irish without telling me you're not Irish.
I mean, if it was just the potatoes that were affected, at the end of the day, you will pay the price if you're a fussy eater.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 11:02:11 AM
Post by: cdward on December 19, 2023, 11:07:31 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 19, 2023, 11:25:34 AM
Now who remembers Flanagans Beef and Mustard. I think that was the brand? What a crisp that was.
They were my fave for years.
I remember as a kid in the darkened cinema setting eating a packet of those with the blue bag pof salt and chewing on the fucker for about 5 mins until it cut my gum - shit crisps
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2023, 11:44:45 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on December 19, 2023, 11:53:45 AM
I honestly can’t keep up. But has there been a shout for Japanese pea (green pod shaped) crisps? Sadly too often with Bonito (fish) powder, but not always, these should not be left out of debate.
Axl-Nick are you with me?!
Hello mate! I hope all is good with you, but edamame crisps??? Oh dear. 😂
But PM me your address and I'll send you some key absolute edamame crisp type delights.
Consome is all the rage here when it comes to crisps, as is nori (dried seaweed). Both utter savagery.
Japanese food is my favourite in the whole wide world, but crisps? Nope.
In Korea they have some dried fish type crisps. Can't remember what they are called.
You can have them in any flavour - as long as it salt
Post by: rob_bridge on December 19, 2023, 11:58:34 AM
Roofs of Mouths and Alveolar ridges know all about them.
Post by: AV82EC on December 19, 2023, 12:00:39 PM
Anyone shouting out for Pickled Onion Monster Munch yet?
Roofs of Mouths and Alveolar ridges know all about them.
Yes but some absolute wrong 'uns have stated the Beef ones are better. There is really no depth the British public won't sink to.
Post by: Simon Page on December 19, 2023, 12:02:34 PM
(https://www.trolley.co.uk/img/product/VAL822)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 12:03:35 PM
While hipster crisps should really get in the bin, have to agree with Dave's late-night shout-out for Co-op's Balsamic Air and Himalayan Scrotal Dust offering, in a blue-ish packet too. A wince factor at Defcon 4 and salt content that's positively desiccating. I ate a whole packet in one sitting once and couldn't stand for a month.
(https://www.trolley.co.uk/img/product/VAL822)
This once-great forum...
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 19, 2023, 12:12:38 PM
Someone will recommend something from Waitrose next, and then I'm afraid I'm going to have to report everybody on this forum to Prevent.
Post by: Simon Page on December 19, 2023, 12:16:43 PM
Mods, I have banned myself.
Post by: Ads on December 19, 2023, 12:40:43 PM
Jesus fucking Christ. "Chardonnay vinegar?"
Someone will recommend something from Waitrose next, and then I'm afraid I'm going to have to report everybody on this forum to Prevent.
The Blues were right all along. Tally ho Villa!
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2023, 12:46:00 PM
They're genuinely like nothing else out there.
Post by: Simon Page on December 19, 2023, 12:47:29 PM
I of course repeat my unreserved apology for anyone who may have misconstr....
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2023, 12:49:59 PM
Anyone who enjoys an overpowering salt and vinegar and hasn't tried them before should really try and track a bag down. They're like little sticks of dynamite.
They're genuinely like nothing else out there.
Yep, they're the low-key king of crisps. When we lived on the IOM the Co-op was our only decent supermarket, and they were my snack of choice for watching the Villa on TV. There's never been a saltier or more vinegary crisp.
Post by: Ads on December 19, 2023, 12:53:08 PM
But the beef Monster Munch, its special. When the Rapture comes, God will sort out the yellow pack eaters from the purple. Not all of us are going to be saved.
Post by: AV82EC on December 19, 2023, 12:53:30 PM
Anyone who enjoys an overpowering salt and vinegar and hasn't tried them before should really try and track a bag down. They're like little sticks of dynamite.
They're genuinely like nothing else out there.
Yep, they're the low-key king of crisps. When we lived on the IOM the Co-op was our only decent supermarket, and they were my snack of choice for watching the Villa on TV. There's never been a saltier or more vinegary crisp.
They are the only crisps that come close to the acerbic mouth altering experience of S and V Discos.
Late shout out here for Jacobs Crinkly Cheese and Onion Mini Cheddars.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 01:00:44 PM
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2023, 01:00:51 PM
Late shout out here for Jacobs Crinkly Cheese and Onion Mini Cheddars.
Why are you bringing biscuits into the crisp chat?!
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2023, 01:04:28 PM
Late shout out here for Jacobs Crinkly Cheese and Onion Mini Cheddars.
Why are you bringing biscuits into the crisp chat?!
For those occasions when only the mild aroma of cheese mixed with flour will do the trick.
Post by: Simon Page on December 19, 2023, 01:04:51 PM
When the Rapture comes, God will sort out the yellow pack eaters from the purple. Not all of us are going to be saved.
Hell has the best music.
And crisps.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 19, 2023, 01:08:10 PM
Jesus fucking Christ. "Chardonnay vinegar?"
Someone will recommend something from Waitrose next, and then I'm afraid I'm going to have to report everybody on this forum to Prevent.
The Blues were right all along. Tally ho Villa!
Surely these should be considered
https://www.fortnumandmason.com/patatas-fritas-crisp-tin-500g
Post by: rob_bridge on December 19, 2023, 01:15:38 PM
Late shout out here for Jacobs Crinkly Cheese and Onion Mini Cheddars.
Why are you bringing biscuits into the crisp chat?!
Yes we'll be talking Jacob's clubs next and then Snickers and then Matchmakers.
Still to crisps, not things sold in the same supermarket aisles
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2023, 02:19:21 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 19, 2023, 02:23:27 PM
While hipster crisps should really get in the bin...
You should have quit whilst you were ahead.
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 02:50:14 PM
Can we take a step back for a second and reconsider some of the responses to those co-op crisps, lets not forget that until recently co-op was the only decent sized supermarket in central Erdington. It's expensive but not posh.
Can't remember the name of it now but I remember seeing a film about the founding of the Co-op and I got the impression it was a proper working class set up. Rotherham, I think it was. Definitely didn't get posh vibes.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 02:53:23 PM
Can we take a step back for a second and reconsider some of the responses to those co-op crisps, lets not forget that until recently co-op was the only decent sized supermarket in central Erdington. It's expensive but not posh.
Can't remember the name of it now but I remember seeing a film about the founding of the Co-op and I got the impression it was a proper working class set up. Rotherham, I think it was. Definitely didn't get posh vibes.
Rochdale.
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 03:06:28 PM
Can we take a step back for a second and reconsider some of the responses to those co-op crisps, lets not forget that until recently co-op was the only decent sized supermarket in central Erdington. It's expensive but not posh.
Can't remember the name of it now but I remember seeing a film about the founding of the Co-op and I got the impression it was a proper working class set up. Rotherham, I think it was. Definitely didn't get posh vibes.
Rochdale.
That's it. The Rochdale Pioneers it was called. That's why I couldn't remember it, wrong place.
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2023, 03:07:41 PM
Post by: Simon Page on December 19, 2023, 04:02:31 PM
While hipster crisps should really get in the bin...
You should have quit whilst you were ahead.
Too many people on here are reading the label while not tasting the contents. A bit like when we're asked to vote. Give it a go. When you've stopped the half hour involuntary shudder, you'll never look at a Tayto (or whatever) again.
Once more, I apologise to anyone not capable of looking beyo...
Post by: Ads on December 19, 2023, 04:06:49 PM
UTBM
Post by: Ian. on December 19, 2023, 04:51:10 PM
Late shout out here for Jacobs Crinkly Cheese and Onion Mini Cheddars.
Why are you bringing biscuits into the crisp chat?!
If you were around last night you’d have seen all sorts of snacks. Fish ‘n’ Chips, Pork Pies with Pickle, Cornwalls tradition of Pickled Eggs in Salt & Vinegar Crisps (which I’m now going to have to try), the almighty and not seen for years Branston Pickle Mini Cheddars, Ferrero Rocher. Also the champion of all crisps, pickled onion Monster Munch or Space Invaders are really not real crisps.
Edit: how could I forget but Ads has a theory regarding pickled onion crisps and early hair loss. :)
It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 04:52:29 PM
It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Shame Footy isn't around to see the very organic off-topicing of a thread.
Post by: paul_e on December 19, 2023, 04:59:26 PM
It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Shame Footy isn't around to see the very organic off-topicing of a thread.
I reckon at least 2 of them would've been hospitalised by the stress of how off topic things went.
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 05:04:34 PM
It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Shame Footy isn't around to see the very organic off-topicing of a thread.
I reckon at least 2 of them would've been hospitalised by the stress of how off topic things went.
One would have known the stats on which flavour most Premier League winning players preferred.
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2023, 05:21:07 PM
It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Shame Footy isn't around to see the very organic off-topicing of a thread.
I reckon at least 2 of them would've been hospitalised by the stress of how off topic things went.
One would have known the stats on which flavour most Premier League winning players preferred.
He'd have had Matty 'Warcrimes' Cash out the door on the back of his penchant for Cheese & Onion Squares.
Post by: dave shelley on December 19, 2023, 05:36:17 PM
Post by: Clampy on December 19, 2023, 05:37:17 PM
I don't know if they're still a thing but I remember when a brand of crisps called Golden Wonder were introduced. They were the mankiest, dirty things anyone ever put into a packet. They were made from what must have been spuds that had been left to rot underground and when they eventually made it to the factory they must have bypassed the person/machine that cut out the eyes and chopped off the rotten bits and went straight into the fryer. Horrible things.
You can still get them.
Post by: dave shelley on December 19, 2023, 05:40:14 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 19, 2023, 05:43:04 PM
BTW, they are now owned by Tayto.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 19, 2023, 05:44:32 PM
It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Shame Footy isn't around to see the very organic off-topicing of a thread.
I reckon at least 2 of them would've been hospitalised by the stress of how off topic things went.
One would have known the stats on which flavour most Premier League winning players preferred.
He'd have had Matty 'Warcrimes' Cash out the door on the back of his penchant for Cheese & Onion Squares.
Chicken Goebbels, his favourites. Bad person, he's a bad person.
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2023, 05:47:41 PM
Not as good as the proper ones, but perfectly solid for 6-for-a-pound.
And made better by not being padded out by the pointless Frazzles-alikes that come with the Smiths ones.
Post by: dave shelley on December 19, 2023, 05:52:05 PM
Yep, someone already mentioned their chip shop curry flavour. I forgot they also did Transform-a-snack (https://www.goldenwonder.com/range-category/transform-a-snack/) as well.
BTW, they are now owned by Tayto.
I didn't know any of that. Donning tin hat, I don't like Tayto either. The missus loves 'em.
Post by: Ian. on December 19, 2023, 06:19:30 PM
When I first moved here my Saturday nights were ruined. We used to always get Fish and Chips from my nans chippy and a can of Vimto in Wolverhampton. We got down here and Vimto wasn’t a thing. Walkers also took many years to arrive here and wipe out Golden Wonder.
Post by: KNVillan on December 19, 2023, 06:25:32 PM
Late shout out here for Jacobs Crinkly Cheese and Onion Mini Cheddars.
Why are you bringing biscuits into the crisp chat?!
For those occasions when only the mild aroma of cheese mixed with flour will do the trick.
Have you tried the Red Leicester flavour Mini Chedders? They are incredibly moreish
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 06:27:40 PM
Post by: Simon Page on December 19, 2023, 06:29:06 PM
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 06:32:17 PM
The West Bromwich equivalent of the World Foods aisle.
Oh they had Polish, Indian, Nigerian, all packed. Then just me in the Irish section, picking up my fig rolls.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 06:35:08 PM
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 06:38:08 PM
I can't think of a more depressing thing on this Earth than the Irish section of West Browmwich Tesco.
How much of that is because you'd be likely to find me there?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 06:40:02 PM
I can't think of a more depressing thing on this Earth than the Irish section of West Browmwich Tesco.
How much of that is because you'd be likely to find me there?
That doesn't help, but I'd have taken the suicide option long before you show up at 3am.
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 19, 2023, 06:46:17 PM
I went to the shop looking for some crisps after a very heavy day drinking a couple of years ago and drunkenly spent £32 on loads of single packets of crisps. Mostly maize-based. Took the bag to bed with me and in the morning my wife asked me if I was mentally ill.
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 06:51:01 PM
There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 19, 2023, 06:53:03 PM
The West Bromwich equivalent of the World Foods aisle.
Oh they had Polish, Indian, Nigerian, all packed. Then just me in the Irish section, picking up my fig rolls.
Surely you can get fig rolls anywhere? No need for the Irish food ghetto.
Fig rolls dominated the biscuit world of the 1970s. I was raised on them
*toothless smile*
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 06:54:01 PM
There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Chocolate with biscuit and raisin. I'm not even sure it's Irish, I just know I find it tough to track down in the UK.
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 06:57:06 PM
The West Bromwich equivalent of the World Foods aisle.
Oh they had Polish, Indian, Nigerian, all packed. Then just me in the Irish section, picking up my fig rolls.
Surely you can get fig rolls anywhere? No need for the Irish food ghetto.
Fig rolls dominated the biscuit world of the 1970s. I was raised on them
*toothless smile*
I just know I didn't see them for years, then suddenly they appeared in the Irish section at the aforementioned Tesco. A lot of people I know claimed that relative scarcity was down to them being disgusting, but I loved them.
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2023, 07:01:59 PM
There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Chocolate with biscuit and raisin. I'm not even sure it's Irish, I just know I find it tough to track down in the UK.
It's one of those that's easier to make than find. We knew it as Kunzel cake, after one of those now-defunct northern manufacturers who did it.
Easily found in bakers, usually as Fridge Cake (usually sans raisins though)
Often confused with the far inferior Rocky Road.
Post by: dave shelley on December 19, 2023, 07:01:59 PM
There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Chocolate with biscuit and raisin. I'm not even sure it's Irish, I just know I find it tough to track down in the UK.
It isn't Rory mate. I used to have a Tiffin with a cup of coffee at work in the first job I ever had at age fifteen. They were Cadbury's IIRC. Really nice.
Post by: dave shelley on December 19, 2023, 07:05:11 PM
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 07:05:35 PM
There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Chocolate with biscuit and raisin. I'm not even sure it's Irish, I just know I find it tough to track down in the UK.
Often confused with the far inferior Rocky Road.
Spot on, Rocky Road isn't a patch on Tiffin.
Post by: Rory on December 19, 2023, 07:07:25 PM
There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Chocolate with biscuit and raisin. I'm not even sure it's Irish, I just know I find it tough to track down in the UK.
It isn't Rory mate. I used to have a Tiffin with a cup of coffee at work in the first job I ever had at age fifteen. They were Cadbury's IIRC. Really nice.
Fair enough, Dave. I've just found it part of a standard selection over, whereas here it's a bit more niche.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 19, 2023, 07:13:02 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 19, 2023, 07:13:59 PM
I didn't know any of that. Donning tin hat, I don't like Tayto either. The missus loves 'em.
I believe what you're trying to say, is that your missus has very good taste.
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2023, 07:24:15 PM
I've not made them in years, but remember them as very good.
Post by: Ian. on December 19, 2023, 07:25:35 PM
You can even get Tiffin in Teignmouth.There used to be an Irish section in Tesco West Brom. Not sure if it's still there, but that's where I'd get my soda bread, Taytos, tiffin, Club rock shandy etc.
That's the second mention of tiffin in relation to Ireland in this thread and it's time to admit I've no idea what it is.
Chocolate with biscuit and raisin. I'm not even sure it's Irish, I just know I find it tough to track down in the UK.
It isn't Rory mate. I used to have a Tiffin with a cup of coffee at work in the first job I ever had at age fifteen. They were Cadbury's IIRC. Really nice.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 19, 2023, 07:42:13 PM
Since we've moved on to niche cakes, are Fifteens a thing for any of our Irish brethren, or are they specifically a north-of-the-island thing?
Must be, have never eaten or heard of them.
Post by: AV84 on December 19, 2023, 07:44:25 PM
Since we've moved on to niche cakes, are Fifteens a thing for any of our Irish brethren, or are they specifically a north-of-the-island thing?
I've not made them in years, but remember them as very good.
I saw them somewhere very recently but I am in and out of the North quite a lot so no idea which side I saw them.
Post by: Dave on December 19, 2023, 07:52:47 PM
Since we've moved on to niche cakes, are Fifteens a thing for any of our Irish brethren, or are they specifically a north-of-the-island thing?
I've not made them in years, but remember them as very good.
I saw them somewhere very recently but I am in and out of the North quite a lot so no idea which side I saw them.
I know them only via my solid, Unionist inlaws-once-removed, so I'm sure it would be north. But curious to know any history behind it if anyone knew more.
I've spending Christmas with the Ballymena wing of the (extended) family, so might throw a batch together to take.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 19, 2023, 08:18:04 PM
Has anyone mentioned NikNaks? Council price but Ambassador quality.
Post by: Ian. on December 19, 2023, 08:20:56 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2023, 08:29:00 PM
NikNaks, oh yes, nice and spivey! I forgot about them. There was talk of scampi fries last night, but didn’t NikNak have their own smelly version which were ace.
They're alright but Nice & Spicy are the go to Nik Nak, for sure.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on December 19, 2023, 08:31:43 PM
NikNaks, oh yes, nice and spivey! I forgot about them. There was talk of scampi fries last night, but didn’t NikNak have their own smelly version which were ace.
They're alright but Nice & Spicy are the go to Nik Nak, for sure.
Rib 'n Saucy for me
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2023, 08:35:28 PM
NikNaks, oh yes, nice and spivey! I forgot about them. There was talk of scampi fries last night, but didn’t NikNak have their own smelly version which were ace.
They're alright but Nice & Spicy are the go to Nik Nak, for sure.
Rib 'n Saucy for me
The Dandilion and Birdmuck of the snack world, not a fan.
Post by: VillaTim on December 19, 2023, 08:40:44 PM
NikNaks, oh yes, nice and spivey! I forgot about them. There was talk of scampi fries last night, but didn’t NikNak have their own smelly version which were ace.The Scampi ones are like a booby prize , revolting
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 08:46:54 PM
Since we've moved on to niche cakes, are Fifteens a thing for any of our Irish brethren, or are they specifically a north-of-the-island thing?
I've not made them in years, but remember them as very good.
I saw them somewhere very recently but I am in and out of the North quite a lot so no idea which side I saw them.
I know them only via my solid, Unionist inlaws-once-removed, so I'm sure it would be north. But curious to know any history behind it if anyone knew more.
I've spending Christmas with the Ballymena wing of the (extended) family, so might throw a batch together to take.
Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
Post by: LeeB on December 19, 2023, 09:01:19 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 19, 2023, 09:06:01 PM
NikNaks, oh yes, nice and spivey! I forgot about them. There was talk of scampi fries last night, but didn’t NikNak have their own smelly version which were ace.
They're alright but Nice & Spicy are the go to Nik Nak, for sure.
Rib 'n Saucy for me
The Dandilion and Birdmuck of the snack world, not a fan.
Dandelion and Burdock is magnificent.
We built an empire on that drink*
* and extreme violence.
Post by: dave shelley on December 19, 2023, 09:37:33 PM
I didn't know any of that. Donning tin hat, I don't like Tayto either. The missus loves 'em.
I believe what you're trying to say, is that your missus has very good taste.
Of course she does, look who she married. ;)
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 19, 2023, 10:06:46 PM
My current go to flavour are the walkers max strength jalapeño and cheese, very nice.
Post by: Gareth on December 19, 2023, 10:55:39 PM
It’s worth scrolling back to where it all began with VillaTim and his views of Lineker.
Shame Footy isn't around to see the very organic off-topicing of a thread.
I reckon at least 2 of them would've been hospitalised by the stress of how off topic things went.
Lol - definitely the best off topic work for a long time…surely why we are all here
Post by: Risso on December 19, 2023, 11:01:02 PM
Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
My first ever trip to the North was to Larne. It was not long after I'd moved to the IOM, and it came as a bit of a surprise after going back in time two decades to then go back another two when I got to Larne. We were auditing a factory on an industrial estate near to some high rise flats, with all the local protestant youth calling by every five minutes for pallets for the enormous bonfire they were making. I guess that was some sectarian thing going on, but as I have no interest in any of that I'm not sure what it was. Anyway we didn't step foot out of our hotel, as it wasn't the sort of area that you wanted to go on a walk around.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 19, 2023, 11:56:13 PM
Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
My first ever trip to the North was to Larne. It was not long after I'd moved to the IOM, and it came as a bit of a surprise after going back in time two decades to then go back another two when I got to Larne. We were auditing a factory on an industrial estate near to some high rise flats, with all the local protestant youth calling by every five minutes for pallets for the enormous bonfire they were making. I guess that was some sectarian thing going on, but as I have no interest in any of that I'm not sure what it was. Anyway we didn't step foot out of our hotel, as it wasn't the sort of area that you wanted to go on a walk around.
You'd have been fine. Your name's not Paddy (the last/only time I've been there as an adult, I had to have a 'pub' name!)
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2023, 12:03:36 AM
You'd have been fine. Your name's not Paddy (the last/only time I've been there as an adult, I had to have a 'pub' name!)
I was with a colleague with a Manx Gaelic/Irish Catholic background, and he wasn't quiet about it. I couldn't work out if my Welsh roots would be a problem, so just stayed in the hotel and drank on expenses. The lads collecting the pallets looked very much like they'd put you on the bonfire and worry about the niceties later.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 20, 2023, 12:05:26 AM
Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
My first ever trip to the North was to Larne. It was not long after I'd moved to the IOM, and it came as a bit of a surprise after going back in time two decades to then go back another two when I got to Larne. We were auditing a factory on an industrial estate near to some high rise flats, with all the local protestant youth calling by every five minutes for pallets for the enormous bonfire they were making. I guess that was some sectarian thing going on, but as I have no interest in any of that I'm not sure what it was. Anyway we didn't step foot out of our hotel, as it wasn't the sort of area that you wanted to go on a walk around.
Was it by any chance in early July?
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2023, 12:06:55 AM
Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
My first ever trip to the North was to Larne. It was not long after I'd moved to the IOM, and it came as a bit of a surprise after going back in time two decades to then go back another two when I got to Larne. We were auditing a factory on an industrial estate near to some high rise flats, with all the local protestant youth calling by every five minutes for pallets for the enormous bonfire they were making. I guess that was some sectarian thing going on, but as I have no interest in any of that I'm not sure what it was. Anyway we didn't step foot out of our hotel, as it wasn't the sort of area that you wanted to go on a walk around.
Was it by any chance in early July?
It was as it happens.
Post by: AV84 on December 20, 2023, 12:09:15 AM
Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
My first ever trip to the North was to Larne. It was not long after I'd moved to the IOM, and it came as a bit of a surprise after going back in time two decades to then go back another two when I got to Larne. We were auditing a factory on an industrial estate near to some high rise flats, with all the local protestant youth calling by every five minutes for pallets for the enormous bonfire they were making. I guess that was some sectarian thing going on, but as I have no interest in any of that I'm not sure what it was. Anyway we didn't step foot out of our hotel, as it wasn't the sort of area that you wanted to go on a walk around.
Was it by any chance in early July?
It was as it happens.
I can't tell if this is a joke or you genuinely don't know what they were doing.
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2023, 12:10:53 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 20, 2023, 12:21:01 AM
Genuinely no idea, or interest.
Episode 5 of the first series of Derry Girls will give you a flavour of what it's like.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 20, 2023, 12:24:50 AM
Genuinely no idea, or interest.
The 12th is the anniversary of the battle of the Boyne (a big deal for the worst kind of protestants). They like to celebrate with bonfires.
Post by: AV84 on December 20, 2023, 12:26:04 AM
Genuinely no idea, or interest.
The 12th is the anniversary of the battle of the Boyne (a big deal for the worst kind of protestants). They like to celebrate with bonfires.
Unionists, I'd say, rather than protestants.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 20, 2023, 12:27:31 AM
Genuinely no idea, or interest.
The 12th is the anniversary of the battle of the Boyne (a big deal for the worst kind of protestants). They like to celebrate with bonfires.
Unionists, I'd say, rather than protestants.
Yes, my apologies. It's not like I'm any sort of Catholic!
Post by: Risso on December 20, 2023, 12:27:54 AM
Post by: AV84 on December 20, 2023, 12:35:21 AM
Oh.
The crisps thread has taken a dark turn.
Post by: dave.woodhall on December 20, 2023, 12:35:57 AM
Genuinely no idea, or interest.
They light bonfires on July 11th to celebrate my wedding anniversary.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 20, 2023, 12:37:38 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 20, 2023, 12:45:03 AM
Post by: brontebilly on December 20, 2023, 12:57:22 AM
Since we've moved on to niche cakes, are Fifteens a thing for any of our Irish brethren, or are they specifically a north-of-the-island thing?
I've not made them in years, but remember them as very good.
I saw them somewhere very recently but I am in and out of the North quite a lot so no idea which side I saw them.
I know them only via my solid, Unionist inlaws-once-removed, so I'm sure it would be north. But curious to know any history behind it if anyone knew more.
I've spending Christmas with the Ballymena wing of the (extended) family, so might throw a batch together to take.
Ballymena?! I'm not a religious man, but I just reconfirmed myself and promised God I wouldn't masturbate. Fuck me, that's not an Irish town (my mother* was from Larne, which is the spiritual home of all that's wrong with Ulster, Protestantism and not having any fucking fun at all, and it's just down the road).
*That's the first time I've written about her in the past-tense and now I'm crying!
The two worst towns on the island.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 20, 2023, 01:06:13 AM
Post by: Rory on December 20, 2023, 01:56:16 AM
Genuinely no idea, or interest.
The 12th is the anniversary of the battle of the Boyne (a big deal for the worst kind of protestants). They like to celebrate with bonfires.
Unionists, I'd say, rather than protestants.
Yes, my apologies. It's not like I'm any sort of Catholic!
You do touch kids, though, right? Please tell me I'm not the only one!
Post by: Rory on December 20, 2023, 02:05:30 AM
We have an office in Belfast and were working over a weekend updating the PCs but had finished them by Saturday. I was flying back Sunday and two others were stopping to Monday to be onsite if anything went wrong we hadn't spotted. We went to a pub on the Victoria Street near the bus station. I left them there and caught the bus and as it travelled along the road I could see the gathering for an Orange March. I text one of the colleagues to be careful coming out and turning the wrong way because of it. He replied "What's an orange march?" And he comes from an Irish lineage as well.
The twelfth is a nasty business, alright.
As Derry Girls has already been raised, the bit where they're stuck in the car and suggest sending James out to reason with them because "you're English; they might respect that" has always made me laugh.
Post by: Drummond on December 20, 2023, 02:27:52 AM
Arrived on the scene, the emperor of savoury snacks to be consumed with beer, and then gone again. A travesty.
Post by: Hillbilly on December 20, 2023, 03:45:53 AM
Post by: Rory on December 20, 2023, 03:58:55 AM
I'd like to add Portadown to the running for worst town in Ireland. Another place where menace just seeps out of its pores.
Won't somebody please think of the crisps!
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 20, 2023, 05:43:47 AM
I'd like to add Portadown to the running for worst town in Ireland. Another place where menace just seeps out of its pores.
Won't somebody please think of the crisps!
I thought feck it yesterday and bought some Disco’s despite my better judgement, being a mainly lapsed catholic from Irish stock, I still like to partake in self flagellation from time to time.
Post by: dave shelley on December 20, 2023, 09:21:31 AM
On the tour, one place we passed was the Europa Hotel which at the time was said to be the most bombed hotel in the world which got me thinking again: just how many hotels worldwide were being bombed? The guide then proceeded to inform us that at that time the Europa was the highest rated hotel in the city with three stars and all the world's journalists and celebs stayed there plus the fact that the hotel is pretty central. This could of course be urban myth but it did sound feasible to me.
Anyone planning a trip to Belfast I would recommend doing the guided bus tour. And there ends today's useless information fact.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 20, 2023, 09:25:16 AM
Post by: LeeB on December 20, 2023, 09:25:54 AM
I'd like to add Portadown to the running for worst town in Ireland. Another place where menace just seeps out of its pores.
Portadown wasn't do back from my brief visit, but Mallusk certainly fitted your description.
Post by: AV84 on December 20, 2023, 09:40:57 AM
On the tour, one place we passed was the Europa Hotel which at the time was said to be the most bombed hotel in the world which got me thinking again: just how many hotels worldwide were being bombed? The guide then proceeded to inform us that at that time the Europa was the highest rated hotel in the city with three stars and all the world's journalists and celebs stayed there plus the fact that the hotel is pretty central. This could of course be urban myth but it did sound feasible to me.
It's true about the Europa. I've stayed in it before and they have pictures on the walls as you go up the main stairs of some of the times it was bombed. It's kind of an exhibition, I guess. An odd history to display, for sure, but it is a major part of Belfast's identity.
The Europa is also right beside Great Victoria train and bus station, so I'd imagine targeting it would have led to disruption of transport too and just a lot of general chaos.
Post by: VillaTim on December 20, 2023, 09:55:00 AM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on December 20, 2023, 02:24:25 PM
On the tour, one place we passed was the Europa Hotel which at the time was said to be the most bombed hotel in the world which got me thinking again: just how many hotels worldwide were being bombed? The guide then proceeded to inform us that at that time the Europa was the highest rated hotel in the city with three stars and all the world's journalists and celebs stayed there plus the fact that the hotel is pretty central. This could of course be urban myth but it did sound feasible to me.From what I remember the Europa was bombed more times than the hotel in Lebanon, the one that was always in the news with pockmarked walls.
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 20, 2023, 03:24:27 PM
I went on an organised trip to Belfast to the Titanic Exhibition shortly after it opened, about ten years or so ago. As part of the trip, we did a bus tour of the city, (we had our own bus) a guide was employed and it really was an insightful tour, no doubt embellished somewhat for effect, although I did wonder why would you would want to embellish the tragedy that was going on up there at the time?Did one of the tour of Belfast, being Catholic bloody only realised that I got the wrong bus,it was doing the tour of the loyalist area, but give credit to the young female guide she give a balance view of the conflict and was very impressed
On the tour, one place we passed was the Europa Hotel which at the time was said to be the most bombed hotel in the world which got me thinking again: just how many hotels worldwide were being bombed? The guide then proceeded to inform us that at that time the Europa was the highest rated hotel in the city with three stars and all the world's journalists and celebs stayed there plus the fact that the hotel is pretty central. This could of course be urban myth but it did sound feasible to me.
Anyone planning a trip to Belfast I would recommend doing the guided bus tour. And there ends today's useless information fact.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 30, 2023, 10:27:54 PM
Post by: KevinGage on December 30, 2023, 10:42:24 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 30, 2023, 10:44:46 PM
Wonder if Emery has been involved in a Christmas contretemps with the family. That's an impressive shiner.
Stye or Conjunctivitis I thought.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 30, 2023, 10:47:23 PM
Snyder's of Hanover Jalapeño Pretzel Pieces.
Arrived on the scene, the emperor of savoury snacks to be consumed with beer, and then gone again. A travesty.
You can still get these, very nice.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 30, 2023, 10:48:12 PM
Wonder if Emery has been involved in a Christmas contretemps with the family. That's an impressive shiner.
Stye or Conjunctivitis I thought.
Looked like a stye to me. He's probably a bit run down after analysing all our opponents in December.
Post by: AV84 on December 30, 2023, 10:48:20 PM
Post by: olaftab on December 30, 2023, 10:48:45 PM
Wonder if Emery has been involved in a Christmas contretemps with the family. That's an impressive shiner.I heard he started and argument in The Square Peg last night. Didn’t want to pay £1.49 for a pint of Ruddles Best. Bouncer sorted him.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 30, 2023, 10:49:35 PM
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 30, 2023, 10:51:20 PM
Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
I thought the same, no need for Agent Dion to be rational and unbiased.
Post by: olaftab on December 30, 2023, 10:51:25 PM
First up on MOTD tonight, bloody media conspiring against us. >:(Disgraceful I say. Had no time to see the end of full rerun on Sky before switching over.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 30, 2023, 10:56:10 PM
Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
It’s true players have to go down to get the decision - it is a pen though.
On the DC one, it’s a free kick on the edge of the box.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 30, 2023, 10:56:40 PM
First up on MOTD tonight, bloody media conspiring against us. >:(
Disgraceful I say. Had no time to see the end of full rerun on Sky before switching over.
Worse still, you didn't even have time to light up your Romeo y Julieta No. 2.
Post by: KevinGage on December 30, 2023, 10:58:33 PM
Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
Carlos would make a good Gaelic footballer.
Post by: Tayls_7 on December 30, 2023, 10:58:37 PM
Post by: LeeB on December 30, 2023, 11:00:34 PM
He told Matty Cash he was being sold to Chelsea and Cash landed one on him. That's why he didn't play today, the violent little reprobate.
Typical Matt Rash.
Post by: VillaTim on December 30, 2023, 11:09:01 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on December 30, 2023, 11:09:16 PM
Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
It’s true players have to go down to get the decision - it is a pen though.
On the DC one, it’s a free kick on the edge of the box.
Did he get booked for it?
Post by: rob_bridge on December 30, 2023, 11:09:52 PM
Keowns hair transplant needs re-harvesting in my genuine view.
Completing maybe?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 30, 2023, 11:24:19 PM
Snyder's of Hanover Jalapeño Pretzel Pieces.
Arrived on the scene, the emperor of savoury snacks to be consumed with beer, and then gone again. A travesty.
You can still get these, very nice.
I prefer the honey mustard ones myself.
Post by: garyellis on December 30, 2023, 11:30:53 PM
Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.At best it was a free kick never a pen clearly outside the area
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 30, 2023, 11:33:29 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 30, 2023, 11:53:00 PM
Shouldn't be drinking in town then,he knows we are not allowedWonder if Emery has been involved in a Christmas contretemps with the family. That's an impressive shiner.I heard he started and argument in The Square Peg last night. Didn’t want to pay £1.49 for a pint of Ruddles Best. Bouncer sorted him.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 31, 2023, 12:13:55 AM
Snyder's of Hanover Jalapeño Pretzel Pieces.Simply THE best snack with a light, hoppy beer....eg Oakham Citra in The Welly.
Arrived on the scene, the emperor of savoury snacks to be consumed with beer, and then gone again. A travesty.
Where they have both btw!!! :-)
You can still get these, very nice.
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on December 31, 2023, 12:14:48 AM
It's late.
Post by: Axl Rose on December 31, 2023, 01:12:28 AM
First up on MOTD tonight, bloody media conspiring against us. >:(
😂
Complete with awfully drab commentary from Robyn Cowen.
Post by: pablo_picasso on December 31, 2023, 10:50:35 AM
Dion it was a fucking pen. Shut up - don't give any of the media bollockheads a chance to deny us a goal.
To be fair Carlos was lucky in my opinion
It’s true players have to go down to get the decision - it is a pen though.
On the DC one, it’s a free kick on the edge of the box.
This.
I feel that it is a soft contact, but we have had pens given against us for less contact & more diving & been told to shut our mouths because Harry Kane is "clever"...
Oxymoron if I ever heard of one, but what happened to & by Duran yesterday was a pen where he had to get the refs attention.
I cant remember who it was earlier in the season who didnt go down & the refs never looked at it, so you do what you have to do in the modern game...
I don't like that about the modern game, but if we want to compete with the big boys, we have to use anything & everything to our advantage like the big boys do...
Doesn't deter from the fa t that under the modern day rules, Aaron Ramsey kicked Duran from behind without contacting the ball, so it is a penalty every day of the week & twice on Tuesday.
The handball incident with Carlos was a hand ball, 100%. It was outside of the box & definitely not a red card incident though, so outside of VAR remit.
Im not sure what Kompany was talking about with Berge's red card either. Both were yellow cards every day of the week. If he didnt have the discipline to not pull back a shirt knowing he was already on a yellow, then the blame lays only with Berge...
Post by: dave shelley on December 31, 2023, 11:32:22 AM
Post by: Steve67 on December 31, 2023, 11:38:25 AM
Re Kompany's moan on the going back to book Berge in his words 'two minutes later' or something like that. When I began refereeing back in the early seventies, the coaches stressed that at all times if an advantage could accrue then the game should continue and once the ball had gone dead you should go back and either caution or dismiss any player that warranted it. So, Vincent Kompany is talking through his arse on that one which is a pity as I like him both as a player and as an individual, articulate and normally fair minded.
I agree Dave. To blow up every time might be punitive to the attacking side. More common sense is needed.
Post by: john2710 on December 31, 2023, 11:47:18 AM
If he wants to see a dive, he should look at the one from that Burnley forward yesterday.
Post by: astonvilla82 on December 31, 2023, 11:52:40 AM
The hypocrisy of Lineker in particular on the penalty is sickening. For years he's talked about players winning a penalty. If it's Kane, Rashford or Salah they're clever. There's contact, he goes down & it's a penalty.Dublin was the same saying it was a dive
If he wants to see a dive, he should look at the one from that Burnley forward yesterday.
Post by: olaftab on December 31, 2023, 11:57:31 AM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 31, 2023, 12:09:50 PM
I thought Stuart Attwell gave an almost perfect performance yesterday. Made excellent considered decisions all game except one. That was when he wasted an additional minute booking Emi for time wasting after he had cleared the ball.
He was good, I’d say his only mistake was not giving the corner which obviously was kicked out by their player, the one which Konsa was arguing about and subsequently booked.
Saying that I can understand if Burnley fans feel totally different.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 31, 2023, 01:54:05 PM
Re Kompany's moan on the going back to book Berge in his words 'two minutes later' or something like that. When I began refereeing back in the early seventies, the coaches stressed that at all times if an advantage could accrue then the game should continue and once the ball had gone dead you should go back and either caution or dismiss any player that warranted it. So, Vincent Kompany is talking through his arse on that one which is a pity as I like him both as a player and as an individual, articulate and normally fair minded.
I mentioned in the post-match that if he felt it was a booking, how come he only allowed three seconds of advantage as that was the time between the collision and Moreno losing the ball. Luckily it was the start of the time leading to our 2nd a minute or two later but we also had the Konsa / Odebert scare in between.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 31, 2023, 02:19:09 PM
I thought Stuart Attwell gave an almost perfect performance yesterday. Made excellent considered decisions all game except one. That was when he wasted an additional minute booking Emi for time wasting after he had cleared the ball.
He was on VAR for our game against Sheff Utd.
Post by: VillaTim on December 31, 2023, 02:21:10 PM
The hypocrisy of Lineker in particular on the penalty is sickening.He needs replacing.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 31, 2023, 02:26:57 PM
I thought Stuart Attwell gave an almost perfect performance yesterday. Made excellent considered decisions all game except one. That was when he wasted an additional minute booking Emi for time wasting after he had cleared the ball.
Yeah I thought Attwell did pretty well.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 31, 2023, 04:33:38 PM
Post by: olaftab on December 31, 2023, 07:13:49 PM
And expected the onfield chap to make decisions just like he did yesterday.I thought Stuart Attwell gave an almost perfect performance yesterday. Made excellent considered decisions all game except one. That was when he wasted an additional minute booking Emi for time wasting after he had cleared the ball.
He was on VAR for our game against Sheff Utd.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 31, 2023, 10:47:45 PM
Post by: wolfman999 on December 31, 2023, 10:51:55 PM
Is it my imagination or do Burnley seem to have a production line of very good goalkeepers over the last 15 years?
They bought him from Man City last summer.
Post by: wolfman999 on December 31, 2023, 11:33:31 PM
Post by: AV84 on December 31, 2023, 11:34:49 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 31, 2023, 11:36:59 PM
I was only half paying attention but the guy at the end said "..... I'm a believer." I assumed he was talking about us there, but obviously not.
You may have flicked over to the Benny Hinn channel by mistake.
Post by: VillaTim on December 31, 2023, 11:40:18 PM
MOTD2. Apparently Liverpool, Arsenal and now Spurs are in the title race but Citeh are still favourites. No mention of Villa who are joint top! Utter wankers.they are all wankers and we will make them eat their words
Post by: OCD on January 01, 2024, 11:39:59 AM
I expect Man City to string a load of wins together now and I don't think we'll keep pace but if someone had told me before the season that at the turn of the year, we'll be talked about in context of being challengers for the league I'd have told them to get real.
We've lost 2 of last season's starting 11 for the season and 2 for half the season who are still finding their form. CL will do me.
Post by: aj2k77 on January 01, 2024, 12:21:33 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 01, 2024, 12:38:02 PM
Don't know who was on last night but the coverage I've seen for a while has been fair.
I expect Man City to string a load of wins together now and I don't think we'll keep pace but if someone had told me before the season that at the turn of the year, we'll be talked about in context of being challengers for the league I'd have told them to get real.
We've lost 2 of last season's starting 11 for the season and 2 for half the season who are still finding their form. CL will do me.
It was Nedum Onuoha and Paul Robinson last night with Manish hosting. I think the analysis of the Arsenal and Spurs games was far superior to normal, really considered and intelligent reviewing if the games. Incomparable to the inanity of Micah Richards and the dourness of Danny Murphy.
Saying all that it did grate a bit that considering we’re second, there was no mention of us when they were talking about the title race.
Hey ho, I also expect it to between Man City and Liverpool, but if we are still in the mix come the end of Feb, things will be getting very exciting.
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 01, 2024, 12:43:20 PM
Don't know who was on last night but the coverage I've seen for a while has been fair.
I expect Man City to string a load of wins together now and I don't think we'll keep pace but if someone had told me before the season that at the turn of the year, we'll be talked about in context of being challengers for the league I'd have told them to get real.
We've lost 2 of last season's starting 11 for the season and 2 for half the season who are still finding their form. CL will do me.
It was Nedum Onuoha and Paul Robinson last night with Manish hosting. I think the analysis of the Arsenal and Spurs games was far superior to normal, really considered and intelligent reviewing if the games. Incomparable to the inanity of Micah Richards and the dourness of Danny Murphy.
Saying all that it did grate a bit that considering we’re second, there was no mention of us when they were talking about the title race.
Hey ho, I also expect it to between Man City and Liverpool, but if we are still in the mix come the end of Feb, things will be getting very exciting.
Always liked Robinson. We always had good banter with him from the Holte when he played.
Onuoha shows a level of insight not usually coming from ex players.
I read an article recently where he looked past the bias, the prejudice, the snobbery, etc, & he stated that Douglas Luiz was one of the three best midfielders in the Prem, alongside Rodri & another whose name I forget without looking for the article.
And I am too lazy to do that right now.
Most pundits, ex players, etc, tend to overlook players that don't play for "media favourite" clubs, but Douglas Luiz has been so good that one of them has seen past all the bullshit to the reality of football.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 01, 2024, 12:44:28 PM
Post by: Simon Page on January 01, 2024, 12:57:14 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 01, 2024, 01:14:42 PM
So to recap, the superior MOTD2 team ignore our challenge while the inferior MOTD lot put us on first and wax lyrical.
Didn't see MOTD2 last night. I'm guessing it might be to do with fact that we played on Saturday, and Arsenal and Spurs played yesterday.
Post by: Clampy on January 01, 2024, 01:16:41 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 01, 2024, 01:19:51 PM
I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
I used to love the lower league round up on the BBC with Manish and his nice shirts. Show the action, a few considered words from Leroy Rosenior and bang, on to the next one.
Perfect.
Post by: dave shelley on January 01, 2024, 02:31:06 PM
I had something called The Football Show on Sky this morning and they only showed our penalty but showed both Burnley's goals.
I saw that Clampy but genuinely think it was a cock-up by the production team rather than a deliberate slight towards us.
Could also be a Burnley fan on work experience though.
Post by: SaddVillan on January 01, 2024, 02:40:37 PM
I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
Onuoha went to Hulme Grammar School, Oldham, - eight grade 'A's' and two 'B's' at GCSE. He then studied for A-Levels at Xaverian College Manchester - three 'A' grades at A-level in Maths, Business Studies and IT; and completed his education by studying part-time to earn an accountancy degree at Manchester Metropolitan University.
Clearly a cut above the usual pundit - and it shows.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 01, 2024, 04:49:57 PM
I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
Onuoha went to Hulme Grammar School, Oldham, - eight grade 'A's' and two 'B's' at GCSE. He then studied for A-Levels at Xaverian College Manchester - three 'A' grades at A-level in Maths, Business Studies and IT; and completed his education by studying part-time to earn an accountancy degree at Manchester Metropolitan University.
Clearly a cut above the usual pundit - and it shows.
Agreed. He’s good on the Guardian football pod.
Post by: charlatan on January 01, 2024, 05:01:21 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 01, 2024, 05:14:41 PM
Surprised he isn't being condemned for this privileged private education!
Does grammar school count as private?
My sister went and we didn’t have a pot to piss in.
Post by: dave shelley on January 01, 2024, 05:39:15 PM
Surprised he isn't being condemned for this privileged private education!
Does grammar school count as private?
My sister went and we didn’t have a pot to piss in.
Same as mine.
Post by: Dave on January 01, 2024, 06:23:27 PM
Surprised he isn't being condemned for this privileged private education!
Does grammar school count as private?
My sister went and we didn’t have a pot to piss in.
Their website says its £13,000 annually. I'm guessing he would have gone there 20 years ago though, so no idea whether that was the case then.
Post by: Risso on January 01, 2024, 06:34:11 PM
Post by: Hopadop on January 01, 2024, 07:05:26 PM
But despite the filthy privilege I'd also say Nedum O's one of the better pundits, though that's not saying a lot.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 01, 2024, 09:02:40 PM
I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
Onuoha went to Hulme Grammar School, Oldham, - eight grade 'A's' and two 'B's' at GCSE. He then studied for A-Levels at Xaverian College Manchester - three 'A' grades at A-level in Maths, Business Studies and IT; and completed his education by studying part-time to earn an accountancy degree at Manchester Metropolitan University.
Clearly a cut above the usual pundit - and it shows.
Agreed. He’s good on the Guardian football pod.
He's easily one of the best pundits on that pod in my opinion.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 01, 2024, 09:04:28 PM
I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
Onuoha went to Hulme Grammar School, Oldham, - eight grade 'A's' and two 'B's' at GCSE. He then studied for A-Levels at Xaverian College Manchester - three 'A' grades at A-level in Maths, Business Studies and IT; and completed his education by studying part-time to earn an accountancy degree at Manchester Metropolitan University.
Clearly a cut above the usual pundit - and it shows.
Agreed. He’s good on the Guardian football pod.
He's easily one of the best pundits on that pod in my opinion.
I am always surprised he doesn’t get the main pundit roles
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 01, 2024, 09:06:23 PM
I am always surprised he doesn’t get the main pundit roles
He doesn't guffaw enough.
Post by: LeonW on January 01, 2024, 09:11:38 PM
I've always liked Manish as a host on MOTD, so good to see him back. Like Nedum Onuoha as a pundit as well, he's more educated than the average footballer and it shows.
Onuoha went to Hulme Grammar School, Oldham, - eight grade 'A's' and two 'B's' at GCSE. He then studied for A-Levels at Xaverian College Manchester - three 'A' grades at A-level in Maths, Business Studies and IT; and completed his education by studying part-time to earn an accountancy degree at Manchester Metropolitan University.
Clearly a cut above the usual pundit - and it shows.
Agreed. He’s good on the Guardian football pod.
Probably not too hard to be. Some of their contributors are very much make it up at 5am on the back of a cigarette packet.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 01, 2024, 09:12:22 PM
I am always surprised he doesn’t get the main pundit roles
He doesn't guffaw enough.
It disproves the theory Micah is only there to "fill a quota". There are clearly better black pundits out there than him, I just think Micah is there for the TikTok twats.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 01, 2024, 09:20:14 PM
I am always surprised he doesn’t get the main pundit roles
He doesn't guffaw enough.
It disproves the theory Micah is only there to "fill a quota". There are clearly better black pundits out there than him,
Yes, Liam Rosenior for one, but he’s doing a decent job in management.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 01, 2024, 10:13:02 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 01, 2024, 11:26:27 PM
Post by: Le Lapin on January 01, 2024, 11:34:41 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 01, 2024, 11:35:01 PM
Another shout out for Nedum Onuoha, very insightful pundit. Jobi McAnuff is decent as well
Yeah, great shout. I really like McAnuff.
He used to be a must have purchase on Championship Manager, lol...
Post by: charlatan on January 01, 2024, 11:38:45 PM
On Richards, I guess people like enthusiasm. Keown and Murphy are often criticised for coming across as morose, but not smiling is fine by me.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 01, 2024, 11:40:20 PM
There's clearly a tendency to select pundits who have played for successful teams which has a negative impact on the quality of mainstream punditry.
On Richards, I guess people like enthusiasm. Keown and Murphy are often criticised for coming across as morose, but not smiling is fine by me.
I'm surprised by this.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 01, 2024, 11:46:13 PM
Michael Richards just grinds my gears só much. He's probably a sound guy but I just get past the fact the was such a waster for Villa when he was hanging with that other waster Gabby.
I can forget his involvement with us, but on telly he's a fucking nightmare, he's just a clown from the Savage mould, all exaggerated laughs and godawful 'bantz' with Shearer and Lineker.
I lasted about three minutes of that podcast they've started, for that reason.
Post by: danno on January 01, 2024, 11:54:34 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 02, 2024, 12:03:01 AM
I am always surprised he doesn’t get the main pundit roles
He doesn't guffaw enough.
It disproves the theory Micah is only there to "fill a quota". There are clearly better black pundits out there than him, I just think Micah is there for the TikTok twats.
I've only seen that theory put forward once or twice on here. My theory with Richards is that people in football like having him around (strange as that might seem). Not only do Lineker and Shearer include him on their 'Top Ten' shows, but the social media posts from other Villa players seemed genuinely warm when he left us (considering he'd contributed sod all for 4 years).
Post by: LeonW on January 02, 2024, 12:30:58 AM
Post by: Baldy on January 02, 2024, 07:02:14 AM
Cannot stand Richards. Awful pundit, never offers anything insightful and when he starts cackling away it makes me instantly want to mute or switch off whatever he’s on.
Ditto
Post by: Neil Hawkes on January 02, 2024, 08:42:52 AM
I'd say most people would understand a grammar school to be selective entry and state funded. Otherwise it's just an independent school that's chosen to have or retain 'grammar' in it's name.
But despite the filthy privilege I'd also say Nedum O's one of the better pundits, though that's not saying a lot.
I'd say most people would understand a grammar school to be selective entry and state funded. Otherwise it's just an independent school that's chosen to have or retain 'grammar' in it's name.I went to a Grammar school, on a scholarship, no spare money for "enhanced" education & I would not have been there otherwise.
But despite the filthy privilege I'd also say Nedum O's one of the better pundits, though that's not saying a lot.
My annual results where always analysed to ensure I was up to the required standard for scholarship renewal, and one year it was poor which resulted in summer holiday homework that needed to be handed in first day of returning to school - fortunately it met the standard and I was allowed to continue.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 02, 2024, 10:49:43 AM
Rosenior is pretty much the best pundit I've seen. Knowledgable, insightful and articulate. I'm glad he's doing a job in management, but it's TV's loss.I am always surprised he doesn’t get the main pundit roles
He doesn't guffaw enough.
It disproves the theory Micah is only there to "fill a quota". There are clearly better black pundits out there than him,
Yes, Liam Rosenior for one, but he’s doing a decent job in management.
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 02, 2024, 10:52:14 AM
Another shout out for Nedum Onuoha, very insightful pundit. Jobi McAnuff is decent as well
Yeah, great shout. I really like McAnuff.
He used to be a must have purchase on Championship Manager, lol...
He is good and he was very good on a few versions of that game!
Post by: Risso on January 02, 2024, 11:16:18 AM
Michael Richards just grinds my gears só much. He's probably a sound guy but I just get past the fact the was such a waster for Villa when he was hanging with that other waster Gabby.
I can forget his involvement with us, but on telly he's a fucking nightmare, he's just a clown from the Savage mould, all exaggerated laughs and godawful 'bantz' with Shearer and Lineker.
I lasted about three minutes of that podcast they've started, for that reason.
I had the radio on driving back from the station in Peterborough yesterday, and was unfortunate enough to catch the Jermaine Defoe and Troy Deeney podcast. Now both of them seem like decent enough chaps, but the podcast is dismal. The one I caught a bit of they seemed to be compiling a list of the best players they've played with.
Now Defoe obviously being much the better player has played with the likes of Shearer, Di Canio and Owen etc. The best Deeney could come up with was Michael Ricketts. However, every player being discussed was described as "He's a joke man." Every single one. "Shearer, he's a joke man, Owen, ah man, he's a joke man, some of the things Di Canio could do, he's a joke man." I took this to mean that they were all capable of some ridiculous skill at times.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 02, 2024, 11:26:28 AM
Post by: AV82EC on January 02, 2024, 03:53:51 PM
This is the thing , they all think they are broadcasters , presenters etc but it is a skill and needs leading with a body and format that is interesting. For some reason they think people will listen to any old shit
Judging by the numbers various podcasts and vloggers do on whatever format they broadcast on I think people do listen and watch any old shit. Jesus Talksport is still a going concern.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 02, 2024, 07:49:21 PM
Michael Richards just grinds my gears só much. He's probably a sound guy but I just get past the fact the was such a waster for Villa when he was hanging with that other waster Gabby.
I can forget his involvement with us, but on telly he's a fucking nightmare, he's just a clown from the Savage mould, all exaggerated laughs and godawful 'bantz' with Shearer and Lineker.
I lasted about three minutes of that podcast they've started, for that reason.
I managed one whole episode of that podcast and my review is this... it's a war crime. Even Shearer tries to be edgy by swearing a lot and it comes off rather sad.
Post by: Steve67 on January 02, 2024, 07:54:08 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 02, 2024, 07:54:14 PM
I can forget his involvement with us, but on telly he's a fucking nightmare, he's just a clown from the Savage mould, all exaggerated laughs and godawful 'bantz' with Shearer and Lineker.
I lasted about three minutes of that podcast they've started, for that reason.
I managed one whole episode of that podcast and my review is this... it's a war crime. Even Shearer tries to be edgy by swearing a lot and it comes off rather sad.
My two word review of it is....Sweary Poppins.
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 02, 2024, 08:11:39 PM
I can forget his involvement with us, but on telly he's a fucking nightmare, he's just a clown from the Savage mould, all exaggerated laughs and godawful 'bantz' with Shearer and Lineker.
I lasted about three minutes of that podcast they've started, for that reason.
I managed one whole episode of that podcast and my review is this... it's a war crime. Even Shearer tries to be edgy by swearing a lot and it comes off rather sad.
My two word review of it is....Sweary Poppins.
Sweary Bobbins, more like.
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on January 02, 2024, 08:35:06 PM
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Post by: rob_bridge on January 06, 2024, 10:03:26 AM
Michael Richards just grinds my gears só much. He's probably a sound guy but I just get past the fact the was such a waster for Villa when he was hanging with that other waster Gabby.
I can forget his involvement with us, but on telly he's a fucking nightmare, he's just a clown from the Savage mould, all exaggerated laughs and godawful 'bantz' with Shearer and Lineker.
I lasted about three minutes of that podcast they've started, for that reason.
I had the radio on driving back from the station in Peterborough yesterday, and was unfortunate enough to catch the Jermaine Defoe and Troy Deeney podcast. Now both of them seem like decent enough chaps, but the podcast is dismal. The one I caught a bit of they seemed to be compiling a list of the best players they've played with.
Now Defoe obviously being much the better player has played with the likes of Shearer, Di Canio and Owen etc. The best Deeney could come up with was Michael Ricketts. However, every player being discussed was described as "He's a joke man." Every single one. "Shearer, he's a joke man, Owen, ah man, he's a joke man, some of the things Di Canio could do, he's a joke man." I took this to mean that they were all capable of some ridiculous skill at times.
That won't last long if that is the sum of the content
Post by: rob_bridge on January 06, 2024, 10:06:44 AM
Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
I don't. Liverpool and Citeh have more quality and more experience. A good right back signing and a Donk replacement and could see us in the mix with Arsenal and Spuds for the 3-5. We could run out of gas and finish 7th or 8th as well mind.
Plus I don't want pundits telling me what I want to hear, rather giving me insights into somethings I haven't thought of. Pitch, training methods, game management etc..
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 06, 2024, 10:15:33 AM
Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
I don't. Liverpool and Citeh have more quality and more experience. A good right back signing and a Donk replacement and could see us in the mix with Arsenal and Spuds for the 3-5. We could run out of gas and finish 7th or 8th as well mind.
Plus I don't want pundits telling me what I want to hear, rather giving me insights into somethings I haven't thought of. Pitch, training methods, game management etc..
Deep down I don’t really. If we are still where we are now at the end of Feb, then the heart will start ruling the head.
One thing is for certain, there is no fluke about tiis, just genius management.
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2024, 10:29:35 AM
Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
I don't. Liverpool and Citeh have more quality and more experience. A good right back signing and a Donk replacement and could see us in the mix with Arsenal and Spuds for the 3-5. We could run out of gas and finish 7th or 8th as well mind.
Plus I don't want pundits telling me what I want to hear, rather giving me insights into somethings I haven't thought of. Pitch, training methods, game management etc..
Deep down I don’t really. If we are still where we are now at the end of Feb, then the heart will start ruling the head.
One thing is for certain, there is no fluke about tiis, just genius management.
Yes, it's no fluke, no budding genius coming good or team just coming together by chance.
That's why this time it's my heart saying no chance, but my head is saying look at the stats since he's come in, the sophistication in our play and the work we must do for it, and concludes we're only going to be better going forwards.
And if that's the case Citeh are in trouble.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on January 06, 2024, 10:33:24 AM
Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
https://x.com/theavfcfaithful/status/1743263278015434917?s=46&t=tRQc-IrzjqWPKBwYhGZpFw
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 06, 2024, 10:37:08 AM
Post by: LeeB on January 06, 2024, 10:38:50 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2024, 10:46:01 AM
Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
https://x.com/theavfcfaithful/status/1743263278015434917?s=46&t=tRQc-IrzjqWPKBwYhGZpFw
As someone put it recently (might have been Chris Sutton, might have been on here), we're contenders until we're not. It's unlikely we'll win it but you could say that about every other team that isn't called Man City. I think we'll be in the title race till the end of March, and then April's fixtures will determine how close we go.
Post by: Drummond on January 06, 2024, 11:05:41 AM
From that you'd say that Liverpool are clear favourites, but we all know that ManC could finish with no more defeats.
We need to be pretty much unbeaten to win it I think.
Post by: SamTheMouse on January 06, 2024, 01:02:54 PM
What a c**t of a year that was.
Post by: Dave on January 06, 2024, 01:31:58 PM
If we win the league and England win the Euros, this year might go some way towards making up for 2016.
What a c**t of a year that was.
Yeah, at least 2020 had the 7-2 versus Liverpool game amongst the country / world being shit.
2016 had nothing to vindicate it.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2024, 10:43:09 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 06, 2024, 10:46:48 PM
Oh fcuking hell Jenas is presenting MOTD.
You haven't heard that Lineker's stepping down at the end of the season to concentrate on politics?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2024, 10:52:13 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 06, 2024, 11:15:34 PM
I haven’t. Can’t they do any better than Jenas though.He is the almost perfect candidate.
If you ignore talent of course, which does not appear to be in abundance when considering the current level of broadcasters and pundits.
Post by: VillaTim on January 07, 2024, 01:21:49 PM
Post by: algy on January 07, 2024, 01:37:42 PM
Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!I feel that we're nonchalant candidates for the league title
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 07, 2024, 10:32:28 PM
I don't care what the rest of the league think, or their fans for that matter.
Fuck those guys, fuck them all.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 07, 2024, 10:34:30 PM
I really enjoyed his co-commentary on our match yesterday.
I think what I appreciated most was the persistency of it, just a constant sort of nonsensical background noise which was never going to stop.
Like watching a game whilst someone pilots a drone, hovering just over your shoulder for 90 minutes.
Or what the constant traffic hum would be like if your house overlooked the M6.
Post by: FrankyH on January 07, 2024, 10:53:21 PM
Does anyone (apart from Martinez) think we're serious candidates to win the league? I know I don't!
I have been down playing our title credentials , much to the annoyance of younger members of my Villa supporting associates,family & friends ( to be honest I've seen us choke under Sir Graham , Big Ron , John Gregory and to a lesser extent MON). I do admit though when Martinez belted out that line , I felt like a
lily-livered mangy old dog !
Post by: Pat McMahon on January 07, 2024, 11:11:48 PM
I see us strolling to the title, perhaps putting on a 'pimp roll' (a Tom Wolfe reference there for you book readers).
A bonfire of the Sky 6 vanities would be lovely
Post by: LeeB on January 07, 2024, 11:12:48 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on January 07, 2024, 11:57:05 PM
Post by: Mister E on January 08, 2024, 07:19:39 AM
Enjoying Manish Bhasin presenting MOTD 2 tonight, and I think he’s better than Jermaine Jenas. He’s not afraid of discussion or wry humour. Shay and Dion are interesting to listen to, tonight, as well.Jenas provides a very low bar ...
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 09, 2024, 01:57:36 AM
My resentment is over the fact that we are not even included in these discussions despite being second in the table!
Post by: chrisw1 on January 09, 2024, 09:07:15 AM
My earlier post on Villa not being included in discussions re potential title winners doesn't mean that I think Villa will win the thing.But people will still shout if a pundit says 'I think Villa will fall away' even if a lot of fans agree with them.
My resentment is over the fact that we are not even included in these discussions despite being second in the table!
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 09, 2024, 09:23:37 AM
Thats true but I think the point is there not even saying that really. Its like we’re not there, its weirdly amusing.My earlier post on Villa not being included in discussions re potential title winners doesn't mean that I think Villa will win the thing.But people will still shout if a pundit says 'I think Villa will fall away' even if a lot of fans agree with them.
My resentment is over the fact that we are not even included in these discussions despite being second in the table!
Post by: chrisw1 on January 09, 2024, 09:29:16 AM
I get it but I think people are getting too precious about it. If asked who the top 3 will be I'd probably say Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal. I don't really need to caveat it that I think Villa will be 5th. I'm not sure it's that important that a pundit does either.Thats true but I think the point is there not even saying that really. Its like we’re not there, its weirdly amusing.My earlier post on Villa not being included in discussions re potential title winners doesn't mean that I think Villa will win the thing.But people will still shout if a pundit says 'I think Villa will fall away' even if a lot of fans agree with them.
My resentment is over the fact that we are not even included in these discussions despite being second in the table!
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 09, 2024, 11:51:23 AM
I get it but I think people are getting too precious about it. If asked who the top 3 will be I'd probably say Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal. I don't really need to caveat it that I think Villa will be 5th. I'm not sure it's that important that a pundit does either.Thats true but I think the point is there not even saying that really. Its like we’re not there, its weirdly amusing.My earlier post on Villa not being included in discussions re potential title winners doesn't mean that I think Villa will win the thing.But people will still shout if a pundit says 'I think Villa will fall away' even if a lot of fans agree with them.
My resentment is over the fact that we are not even included in these discussions despite being second in the table!
Im not that precious to be honest. I probably agree with your top three and get why pundits don’t figure we’ll be in the final shake up. What I find odd in terms of what they present to the viewer, is things like the new year MOTD. It was actually a well presented show with Manish, but at the end they talked about Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal and Spurs being in the title race or words to that effect, but didn’t mention us once, editorially thats just odd when we’re second in the league table they we’re showing at the time.
Post by: chrisw1 on January 09, 2024, 12:00:14 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 09, 2024, 12:21:12 PM
My earlier post on Villa not being included in discussions re potential title winners doesn't mean that I think Villa will win the thing.But people will still shout if a pundit says 'I think Villa will fall away' even if a lot of fans agree with them.
My resentment is over the fact that we are not even included in these discussions despite being second in the table!
For me, it depends on how they say it.
When they talk about Villa in Sky Sports for example, there is always a snidy tone. Even when they chat with Dan Bardell, they always have a little dig about him supporting Villa & having the audacity to mention it.
But they let Harriet Prior or Melissa Reddy (not a Scouse accent in sight) wax lyrical about anything Liverpool until it overruns the adverts.
From my career, I have had a few people I know have dealings with Sky & whenever they mention that they support Villa, the overriding response is a snidy "Why the fuck do you support Villa?", with an added chuckle. And when the response of "home town club" is spoken, the usual response to that is "yeah, but they are shit" with laughter added in for extra shit-c**tidness...
So if there is a serious question regarding our legitimacy as a title contender, & a well thought out logical response given, with no hint of snidy tone, then I am happy to accept that, if they disagree with us as title contenders.
But if its, "cos they are Villa & Villa are a mid table team", while laughing at the question, like Arsenal fans tend to do (without a hint of irony or self awareness), or the likes of most people on Sky Sports, especially Chelsea supporting pricks like Rob Wotton or Arsenal supporting & shit ex player Jay Bothroyd, etc, etc, then it pisses me off to no end.
Context is key...
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 11, 2024, 01:16:19 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 11, 2024, 03:44:13 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 11, 2024, 04:52:16 AM
Our last 15 years of shitness and our history when in this position doesn’t exactly give these people confidence. We are overachieving and that’s the narrative they’re going with.
Yep combined with a manager who “failed” at Arsenal. Even if that simply isn’t true it fits the narrative that he and we will fall back to our natural position of irrelevance soon enough.
Post by: Dogtanian on January 11, 2024, 08:06:12 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 11, 2024, 02:45:34 PM
Enjoying Manish Bhasin presenting MOTD 2 tonight, and I think he’s better than Jermaine Jenas. He’s not afraid of discussion or wry humour. Shay and Dion are interesting to listen to, tonight, as well.
There are dead people with more personality than Jenas. Stole a living as a player and now one as a presenter
Post by: VillaTim on January 11, 2024, 02:51:54 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2024, 12:29:49 AM
Post by: baddowvillans on January 14, 2024, 10:54:28 AM
Post by: Baldy on January 14, 2024, 10:57:21 AM
Lineker pwn'd Micah with a Villa-related zinger in the MOTD intro tonight. Worth the i-Player check.
It certainly was. Micah looked stunned!!
Post by: Ian. on January 14, 2024, 11:06:51 AM
So Villa get Ramsays goal chalked off for a foul on the keeper but Luton's goal against Burnley is allowed despite the forward making no attempt to play the ball and sending the goalkeeper to the floor. On MOTD only the laughing hyena thought it was a foul with Lineker and Murray saying the keeper should be stronger. Where's the consistency
That’s a very good point. We talk about consistency in refereeing and it’s very apparent also with comments from the pundits. How many times has Kane cleverly won a penalty by running into the keeper, however Duran was cheating for instance?
Post by: pablo_picasso on January 14, 2024, 11:14:04 AM
So Villa get Ramsays goal chalked off for a foul on the keeper but Luton's goal against Burnley is allowed despite the forward making no attempt to play the ball and sending the goalkeeper to the floor. On MOTD only the laughing hyena thought it was a foul with Lineker and Murray saying the keeper should be stronger. Where's the consistency
The only resemblance to any form of "consistency" is the consistency of their agendas...
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 28, 2024, 12:23:06 AM
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 28, 2024, 02:54:39 AM
Which other club did it bring them level with?
Ho-hum...
Post by: Louzie0 on January 28, 2024, 04:50:35 AM
And when one pundit referred to Villa as being, ‘fourth or near fourth’. I don’t believe for a moment he meant third.
Post by: Mellin on January 28, 2024, 09:51:57 AM
Can you believe they mentioned how hard done by spurs are with injuries again. Oh and Poch saying how well Chelsea did playing against a really good side like Villa was dismissed by Michael Brown (cheating who Cnut) as not ambitious enough.
Tuned in late and couldn't quite make out who that was. Now I know why.
Post by: robleflaneur on February 06, 2024, 07:35:22 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 06, 2024, 07:44:19 PM
Reel of highlights of 4-4s with Gareth Barry converting the penalty to equalise at Chelsea,2007.
Didn't it also show our 4-4 at Spurs where we blew the 4-1 lead?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 17, 2024, 10:46:10 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 17, 2024, 10:51:40 PM
Highlighted that Arsenal's last game wearing that luminous kit against a team in claret and blue didn't go too badly, but neglected to say they lost to us wearing it. >:(
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 17, 2024, 10:54:34 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 17, 2024, 10:54:35 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 17, 2024, 10:56:20 PM
Will be interesting if we’re on before or after spurs
After, but before the Jaudis.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 17, 2024, 10:56:45 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 17, 2024, 11:01:08 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 17, 2024, 11:18:58 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 17, 2024, 11:27:34 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 17, 2024, 11:27:53 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 17, 2024, 11:32:24 PM
Will be interesting if we’re on before or after spurs
I can just picture the MOTD meeting now:
"Fulham v Villa? That's a mid-table game so it can go towards the end"".
"Errr, Villa have just gone 4th in the league again today"
"Ah come on, it's not Spurs or one of the big boys. They can go on after Forest v. West Ham".
Post by: Ian. on February 17, 2024, 11:33:21 PM
Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
He’s a really useless pundit.
Post by: danno on February 17, 2024, 11:34:14 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 17, 2024, 11:44:30 PM
Somebody has dared Shay Given to needlessly say "Gary" as many times as possible.
Nothing wrong with that.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 18, 2024, 12:44:03 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2024, 01:13:54 AM
Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
He’s a really useless pundit.
I’m not sure he is. I don’t always agree with him, and clearly the highlighted point is an error, but he does make some good points at times.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 18, 2024, 01:19:54 AM
Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
He’s a really useless pundit.
I’m not sure he is. I don’t always agree with him, and clearly the highlighted point is an error, but he does make some good points at times.
I think his misery arse-ness puts people off. He's lower mid-table for me, not quite as bad as people say but not great either.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2024, 01:41:18 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 18, 2024, 01:51:16 AM
Thought it was decent punditry to highlight it was a back 4 who had never played together.
Yeah, good to see it finally pointed out. I actually had a message read on the guardian football podcast last week because no-one talks about our injury issues (I pointed out it's why our high line might not be working as well) and apart from Max agreeing the other pundits didn't speak about it all 😆. Robyn Cowen just went on about Emery and that was it. I tried!
Post by: tomd2103 on February 18, 2024, 02:01:06 AM
Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
He’s a really useless pundit.
I’m not sure he is. I don’t always agree with him, and clearly the highlighted point is an error, but he does make some good points at times.
I think his misery arse-ness puts people off. He's lower mid-table for me, not quite as bad as people say but not great either.
It's his bias to Liverpool that puts me off to be honest. Did a whole Talksport special.on his love for his city of Liverpool, when he's actually from and lives in Chester.
I might accept that he's actually a decent enough pundit when he's not talking about Liverpool. Got all arsey on Talksport the other day though when he was going on about 'Carra' and how much of a 'winner' he was, and someone asked him how someone who never won the league in his career could be classed as that.
Post by: baddowvillans on February 18, 2024, 09:37:25 AM
Somebody has dared Shay Given to needlessly say "Gary" as many times as possible.
Nothing wrong with that.
Especially if its preceded by the words Fuck off
Post by: Goldenballs on February 18, 2024, 11:34:47 AM
Post by: Ian. on February 18, 2024, 11:37:08 AM
Post by: The Edge on February 18, 2024, 11:41:50 AM
He once said on talkshite that he didn't like playing at Villa Park because he found it dull and boring. So for me he will always be a clueless twat.Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
He’s a really useless pundit.
I’m not sure he is. I don’t always agree with him, and clearly the highlighted point is an error, but he does make some good points at times.
I think his misery arse-ness puts people off. He's lower mid-table for me, not quite as bad as people say but not great either.
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 18, 2024, 12:36:45 PM
He said it in a very dull and boring monotone way as well, the irony of it all.He once said on talkshite that he didn't like playing at Villa Park because he found it dull and boring. So for me he will always be a clueless twat.Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".
He’s a really useless pundit.
I’m not sure he is. I don’t always agree with him, and clearly the highlighted point is an error, but he does make some good points at times.
I think his misery arse-ness puts people off. He's lower mid-table for me, not quite as bad as people say but not great either.
Post by: VillaTim on February 18, 2024, 12:54:27 PM
Or succeeded by those words worksSomebody has dared Shay Given to needlessly say "Gary" as many times as possible.
Nothing wrong with that.
Especially if its preceded by the words Fuck off
Post by: Simon Page on February 18, 2024, 01:48:08 PM
I agree, I always get the impression most of them, especially Murphy, have only watched the same edit they show on MOTD. They never watch the whole game and definitely do rely on the stats and nerds in the background.
They'd do well to get six 3pm kick-offs watched in full and analysed by 10:30. "Gary, all I can say, Gary, is 'that's some workrate Gary'."
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2024, 01:56:36 PM
Quite right Gary.Somebody has dared Shay Given to needlessly say "Gary" as many times as possible.
Nothing wrong with that.
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2024, 01:58:44 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 18, 2024, 02:02:58 PM
Somebody has dared Shay Given to needlessly say "Gary" as many times as possible.
Nothing wrong with that.
Quite right Gary.
I prefer that prefix to the other suggested.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2024, 02:11:42 PM
Pundits on MOTD get money for nothing. The chap providing analysis on Sky fir out match is good. Not sure what his name is but I will call him Gary for now.
Some do, some don’t. I think some of the analysis is good, but it’s a mixed bag.
Post by: dekko on February 18, 2024, 02:45:31 PM
I agree, I always get the impression most of them, especially Murphy, have only watched the same edit they show on MOTD. They never watch the whole game and definitely do rely on the stats and nerds in the background.
They'd do well to get six 3pm kick-offs watched in full and analysed by 10:30. "Gary, all I can say, Gary, is 'that's some workrate Gary'."
I could be imagining this, but I seem to remember seeing a behind the scenes/making of type thing - in that they all watch the early kickoff in full, then watch the 15:00 kickoffs all at the same time in a big room with loads of screens, each person paying attention to particular games, then watch the late kickoff and/or an important or notable game in its entirety before broadcast.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 18, 2024, 02:49:34 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2024, 03:10:58 PM
Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".Remember this is the same bloke who couldn’t understand why shots hitting post/bar were not counted as “on target”.
Post by: ventnorVillain on February 18, 2024, 03:22:35 PM
Post by: LeeB on February 18, 2024, 03:24:54 PM
Post by: Simon Page on February 18, 2024, 03:27:50 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 18, 2024, 03:28:26 PM
Danny Murphy stating it is "out of their hands now" of Citeh, who still have a game in hand that can put them above Arsenal and still having to play Plop at Anfield to get above them. It is the definition of "still in their hands now".Remember this is the same bloke who couldn’t understand why shots hitting post/bar were not counted as “on target”.
I can never understand this view, either, but he's not the only who thinks it. I feel like I'm going a bit mad when people are convinced it is.
Post by: Nev on February 18, 2024, 04:10:25 PM
Post by: olaftab on February 18, 2024, 04:18:53 PM
I'm not sure whether I'm overthinking this, but I noticed that when Jonathan Pearce was introducing coverage of our match last night he pointed out that Villa were "forced" into making a change at centre back with Pau Torres coming in to replace Diego Carlos, almost as if PT was a back-up centre half and not the top class, first-choice centre half that he is. It sounded to my ears that he doesn't know who our players are and is symptomatic of how little the MSM know about our team/club. As I say, perhaps I'm being sensitive and was slightly pissed off at the fact that Forest/WHU was regarded as a more significant game and was on before us.I think you are being OS in both cases. Pau has been sitting on the bench for last 3 games so he’s correct in saying what he said.
Forest were a couple of points above relegation zone so a more crucial game for them and therefore correctly scheduled before ours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 18, 2024, 04:37:50 PM
Pearce is one of the few that does generally have a handle on us, I'm sure he said he used to come to Villa Park when he as at uni.
Yeah, don't mind Pearce and think he has a soft spot for us.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 18, 2024, 04:47:22 PM
Kamara has a "knee injury".
That’s right isn’t it?
Post by: baddowvillans on February 18, 2024, 05:45:24 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 18, 2024, 05:54:41 PM
Post by: danno on February 18, 2024, 05:54:48 PM
Will still never understand why Neville and Spitty are allowed to commit commentate their own clubs matches. Is it really that difficult to find an alternative. They don't even attempt to be neutral and inevitably wind up the opposition fans
It rankles with me, but they are so closely associated with one club, they could potentially be accused of negative bias whichever game they commentate on. Neville commentating on Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal games for example.
Post by: VillaTim on February 18, 2024, 05:59:16 PM
Post by: baddowvillans on February 18, 2024, 06:01:04 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 18, 2024, 06:08:25 PM
Will still never understand why Neville and Spitty are allowed to commit commentate their own clubs matches. Is it really that difficult to find an alternative. They don't even attempt to be neutral and inevitably wind up the opposition fans
It's often the same with England games.
Post by: danno on February 18, 2024, 06:14:18 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 18, 2024, 11:42:11 PM
Let's see where we are on MOTD2 running order. When we beat Brighton 6-1 they put us on last and clearly didn't really want to show it again at all
Well remembered. Did you write it down in a little book just to bring it back up 5 months later?
Post by: The Edge on February 19, 2024, 02:52:41 AM
I find the worst one of all to be Rio Ferdinand. When he comments on Yanited it's always "us" and "we". He never even pretends to be unbiased in the way Neville and Carragher do.Will still never understand why Neville and Spitty are allowed to commit commentate their own clubs matches. Is it really that difficult to find an alternative. They don't even attempt to be neutral and inevitably wind up the opposition fans
It rankles with me, but they are so closely associated with one club, they could potentially be accused of negative bias whichever game they commentate on. Neville commentating on Liverpool, Man City, Arsenal games for example.
Post by: Scratchins on February 19, 2024, 08:24:47 AM
Post by: Bernie on February 19, 2024, 08:29:39 AM
The only time I have watched us on TV was during lock down when we couldn't go. Alexander Armsrong scored a screamer for Liverpool right at the end. Carragher, who was co- commentator, screamed "Trent, Trent, look at Trent, he's got to be in the England team now"....and it was a pointless goal anyway
Post by: Holte132 on February 19, 2024, 08:49:20 AM
The only time I have watched us on TV was during lock down when we couldn't go. Alexander Armsrong scored a screamer for Liverpool right at the end. Carragher, who was co- commentator, screamed "Trent, Trent, look at Trent, he's got to be in the England team now"....and it was a pointless goal anyway
Very good! ;D ;D
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 19, 2024, 09:35:03 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 19, 2024, 09:59:04 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on February 19, 2024, 10:19:38 AM
Just after we sacked Stevie G, Brighton away, Carragher on co commentary, literally cajoling the Brighton supporters around him, appealing for a penalty. It was literally the most biased commentary ever.
If we lose the last 13 league games of the season we'd still be in a better position than we were with Carra's bestie.
Post by: VillaTim on February 24, 2024, 09:55:58 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 24, 2024, 10:11:55 PM
Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
Just enjoy it, there isn't a grand conspiracy at play to down Villa at every turn
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 24, 2024, 10:15:18 PM
Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
Just enjoy it, there isn't a grand conspiracy at play to down Villa at every turn
That's exactly what they want you to think.
Post by: Dave on February 24, 2024, 10:20:14 PM
Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
Just enjoy it, there isn't a grand conspiracy at play to down Villa at every turn
That's exactly what they want you to think.
Matt le Tissier and Rickie Lambert in the studio to tell us how the WEF are forcing vaccines on journalists to make the media love Spurs so much.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 24, 2024, 10:21:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 24, 2024, 10:22:40 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 24, 2024, 10:24:37 PM
I'd say we'll be on 3rd after the Arsenal and Yanited games, which is about right.
I was thinking 2nd, but being as they seemed to be concentrating on that Fulham match pre-win on their live text.....
Post by: Somniloquism on February 24, 2024, 10:30:49 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 24, 2024, 10:36:50 PM
I don't get why the highlights have to show things like Holjund / Brailsford in the crowd. Live, yes they look around for stuff during boring sections. But surely highlights mean there are no boring bits.
Agreed, only allowed if it's Mick Harford and Harry Styles sharing Extra Strong Mints.
Post by: VillaTim on February 24, 2024, 10:40:54 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 24, 2024, 10:42:00 PM
I'd say we'll be on 3rd after the Arsenal and Yanited games, which is about right.
I was thinking 2nd, but being as they seemed to be concentrating on that Fulham match pre-win on their live text.....
To be fair I’m quite happy to see Manure beaten in injury time at their place.
Post by: Chap on February 24, 2024, 10:49:09 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 24, 2024, 10:49:43 PM
Commentator on about conceding from corners but forgets to mention all our defensive injuries. Twat.
But we have been poor defending from corners for most of the season.
Post by: Chap on February 24, 2024, 10:51:26 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 24, 2024, 10:51:58 PM
Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
Just enjoy it, there isn't a grand conspiracy at play to down Villa at every turn
That's exactly what they want you to think.
Matt le Tissier and Rickie Lambert in the studio to tell us how the WEF are forcing vaccines on journalists to make the media love Spurs so much.
They were deciding what to put in those vaccines round about the time of the 7-2 against Liverpool.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 24, 2024, 10:52:12 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 24, 2024, 10:53:33 PM
But having makeshift defense every other week can’t help.
In theory it has only been a forced make shift defence since Sheffield Utd as that was the first match Torres was missing. Yes we have lost Mings all season but we had pretty much a settled defence for quite a long time after that injury.
Post by: VillaTim on February 24, 2024, 10:54:56 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 24, 2024, 10:57:36 PM
I'd say we'll be on 3rd after the Arsenal and Yanited games, which is about right.
I was thinking 2nd, but being as they seemed to be concentrating on that Fulham match pre-win on their live text.....
To be fair I’m quite happy to see Manure beaten in injury time at their place.
TBH it reminded me of the Wolves match against them the first game of the season with players running from their own half to the edge of the box unchallenged. They fluked that one with VAR deciding a keeper clearing out the attacker is not a penalty and Wolves not able to put it on target. It was no surprise they were shown in the list of shots allowed against them.
Post by: Chap on February 24, 2024, 10:58:02 PM
The stat on the US broadcast mentioned with Torres our average goals per game conceded is 1, without him it’s 2. Not sure if that’s correct, but shows how important he is.But having makeshift defense every other week can’t help.
In theory it has only been a forced make shift defence since Sheffield Utd as that was the first match Torres was missing. Yes we have lost Mings all season but we had pretty much a settled defence for quite a long time after that injury.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 24, 2024, 10:58:55 PM
Commentator on about conceding from corners but forgets to mention all our defensive injuries. Twat.
But we have been poor defending from corners for most of the season.
Not just set pieces really. We haven't defended awfully, but have conceded a lot of soft goals this season in general.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 24, 2024, 11:04:01 PM
The stat on the US broadcast mentioned with Torres our average goals per game conceded is 1, without him it’s 2. Not sure if that’s correct, but shows how important he is.
Yes, but he was on the pitch when we conceded from the corner. And we have let others in against us whilst he has been on the pitch. The stat is we have conceded from lots of corners which (apart from Mings), I don't think is dependent on certain players being present or not. I would argue we haven't scored enough either considering we have players as good at delivering the ball as Rice at Arsenal. Both might be down to the same reasons of poor tactics or no dominant heading player or other things.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 24, 2024, 11:06:01 PM
Not just set pieces really. We haven't defended awfully, but have conceded a lot of soft goals this season in general.
Yes. We are keeping the Mings "ooh shiny" moments alive this season even if he isn't playing currently.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 24, 2024, 11:18:59 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 24, 2024, 11:33:36 PM
9 goals conceded from corners , only Sheffield Utd and Burnley have more. Austin !
Are you saying we need a six million dollar man in defence?
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 24, 2024, 11:36:53 PM
Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Post by: eamonn on February 25, 2024, 12:35:18 AM
Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
Just enjoy it, there isn't a grand conspiracy at play to down Villa at every turn
That's exactly what they want you to think.
Matt le Tissier and Rickie Lambert in the studio to tell us how the WEF are forcing vaccines on journalists to make the media love Spurs so much.
Blimey, has Rickie gone rogue too?
Post by: tomd2103 on February 25, 2024, 12:42:57 AM
Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 25, 2024, 12:44:06 AM
Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
Yeah, 'Wrighty' does it a lot. It's annoying (and unprofessional).
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 25, 2024, 12:46:00 AM
Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
I would be amazed if he hasn't at some point. I don't really care though, they have a deep affinity with a club, crack on.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 25, 2024, 12:55:12 AM
Might watch it tonight, let's see where we are in the running order and which twats are in the studio tonight.
Just enjoy it, there isn't a grand conspiracy at play to down Villa at every turn
That's exactly what they want you to think.
Matt le Tissier and Rickie Lambert in the studio to tell us how the WEF are forcing vaccines on journalists to make the media love Spurs so much.
Blimey, has Rickie gone rogue too?
Yeah, radicalised by lockdown. I've seen him on a podcast with a bloke who sees words as numbers, so he'd say something like "you were destined to become a dad because 'dad' is the number 9 (4+1+4) and you were a number 9". That sort of shit. Also, if you want a laugh, Google 'Rickie Lambert water'.
Post by: coreyfeldman on February 25, 2024, 01:03:06 AM
Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
Yeah, 'Wrighty' does it a lot. It's annoying (and unprofessional).
Why is it unprofessional? He's a known arsenal fan, so surely he should just say it? Don't get why anyone would pretend. I quite like it tbh as it gives it a bit of personal edge which is much more entertaining
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 25, 2024, 01:16:17 AM
Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
Yeah, 'Wrighty' does it a lot. It's annoying (and unprofessional).
Why is it unprofessional? He's a known arsenal fan, so surely he should just say it? Don't get why anyone would pretend. I quite like it tbh as it gives it a bit of personal edge which is much more entertaining
He's a pundit not a current player. I don't hear Shearer, Murphy, Dion or Richards doing it with such regularity (despite them being fans of their respective clubs) but if you like it, then good for you.
Post by: Rory on February 25, 2024, 04:12:07 AM
Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
Yeah, 'Wrighty' does it a lot. It's annoying (and unprofessional).
Why is it unprofessional? He's a known arsenal fan, so surely he should just say it? Don't get why anyone would pretend. I quite like it tbh as it gives it a bit of personal edge which is much more entertaining
He's a pundit not a current player. I don't hear Shearer, Murphy, Dion or Richards doing it with such regularity (despite them being fans of their respective clubs) but if you like it, then good for you.
I agree with BV.
I can't say it bothers me as such, but when you're on BBC1 it shouldn't be too much to ask to pretend to be doing your job in an impartial fashion.
I like Ian Wright, but his chumminess with Arsenal should be treated the same as any other bias. Tone it down or fuck off.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 25, 2024, 07:27:03 AM
Post by: VillaTim on February 25, 2024, 08:12:24 AM
Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?I did warn you about this guy.
Post by: baddowvillans on February 25, 2024, 10:31:30 AM
Ian Wright referring to Arsenal as "we" and "us"?
Not surprising really given his time and success there. McInally always did that with us on Sky, and others have too.
Never heard it on MOTD though. Even Danny Murphy refrains from that.
Yeah, 'Wrighty' does it a lot. It's annoying (and unprofessional).
I am more forgiving when it's a highlights programme when a player who is a club legend is bound to slip into that language. I just don't think Sky should allow their club ambassadors to co-commentate live games where their antics are likely to stir up opposition fans. That IS unprofessional even if they think its just "bants"!
Post by: Somniloquism on February 25, 2024, 11:01:55 AM
I agree with BV.
I can't say it bothers me as such, but when you're on BBC1 it shouldn't be too much to ask to pretend to be doing your job in an impartial fashion.
I like Ian Wright, but his chumminess with Arsenal should be treated the same as any other bias. Tone it down or fuck off.
Well he is "fucking off" at the end of the season.
But I doubt anyone moaning about Ian Wright would have been moaning if it was a Villa pundit doing it about us.
Post by: VillaTim on February 25, 2024, 11:03:16 AM
No , but other clubs fans would be and rightly so.I agree with BV.
I can't say it bothers me as such, but when you're on BBC1 it shouldn't be too much to ask to pretend to be doing your job in an impartial fashion.
I like Ian Wright, but his chumminess with Arsenal should be treated the same as any other bias. Tone it down or fuck off.
Well he is "fucking off" at the end of the season.
But I doubt anyone moaning about Ian Wright would have been moaning if it was a Villa pundit doing it about us.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 25, 2024, 11:05:30 AM
Post by: VillaTim on February 25, 2024, 11:27:19 AM
And why would what other clubs fans say bother us?Ever heard of self awareness .
Anyway "Wrighty" is history soon on MOTD thank fuck
Post by: Somniloquism on February 25, 2024, 11:30:10 AM
And why would what other clubs fans say bother us?Ever heard of self awareness .
Anyway "Wrighty" is history soon on MOTD thank fuck
Looks at poster.
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/AQz3_zaiD14AAAAC/hysterical-laughter.gif)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 25, 2024, 11:44:37 AM
Post by: Simon Page on February 25, 2024, 11:54:01 AM
Post by: Clampy on February 25, 2024, 12:02:46 PM
Post by: Risso on February 25, 2024, 12:04:58 PM
Why do people get worked up over somethiing so trivial? If Ian Wright bothers you that much, don't watch or mute while he's talking.
One might also question if people being bothered about MOTD upsets you so much, why you clicked on, read, and then bothered to contribute to a topic called MOTD? The title gives rather a large hint as to what the conversation might be about.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 25, 2024, 12:06:09 PM
Why do people get worked up over somethiing so trivial? If Ian Wright bothers you that much, don't watch or mute while he's talking.
One might also question if people being bothered about MOTD upsets you so much, why you clicked on, read, and then bothered to contribute to a topic called MOTD? The title gives rather a large hint to what the conversation might be about.
Well, yes, but must it always sound like a divorced dad micro-aggression support group?
Post by: Clampy on February 25, 2024, 12:07:12 PM
Post by: Risso on February 25, 2024, 12:07:53 PM
Post by: Risso on February 25, 2024, 12:08:53 PM
Poster posts on a forum. Shock horror.
Ha ha ha! Unintentionally hilarious! Which is about the only time you've ever been remotely funny, so take that as a win Clamps old bean.
Post by: Clampy on February 25, 2024, 12:10:06 PM
Poster posts on a forum. Shock horror.
Ha ha ha! Unintentionally hilarious! Which is about the only time you've ever been remotely funny, so take that as a win Clamps old bean.
You're welcome Mr Meldrew.
Post by: danno on February 25, 2024, 12:18:36 PM
This is the most depressing thread on this site.
I didn't agree with this sentiment at the time, but twenty minutes later you have been proved correct.
Post by: Richard E on February 25, 2024, 12:21:18 PM
This is the most depressing thread on this site.
I didn't agree with this sentiment at the time, but twenty minutes later you have been proved correct.
The fact this is true is all the more remarkable when there are threads, amongst other things about Israel/Palestine and about mental health!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 25, 2024, 12:25:40 PM
This is the most depressing thread on this site.
I didn't agree with this sentiment at the time, but twenty minutes later you have been proved correct.
That's just because ye haven't checked out the "Jokes" thread recently.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 27, 2024, 04:04:10 PM
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Douglas Luiz (Aston Villa): The ability of Luiz to get into the opposition's penalty area, and time his runs well enough to get among the goals, is quite a talent. He's scored nine Premier League goals at Villa Park this season.
Scoring goals from midfield is a valuable asset and one of the reasons Villa find themselves back in the top four. What is surprising however is that Villa have already let in nine goals from corners this season, including the one they conceded in the 4-2 win against Nottingham Forest. It will be interesting to see whether Unai Emery's newly produced defensive duo of Clement Lenglet and Pau Torres can fill the void left by injuries to Ezri Konsa and Tyrone Mings.
What is clear is that their manager has focused his attention on Villa's attacking prowess. However, finishing in the top four may finally depend on how well they can defend.
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Leon Bailey (Aston Villa): It's difficult to ignore Ollie Watkins when he's scoring goals and I think Moussa Diaby is a really good player, especially when he's on form. However, Leon Bailey is keeping Diaby out of the starting line-up and grabbing the spotlight - and has been for a while.
He traumatised Nottingham Forest in a 45-minute outburst of scintillating football. He put Watkins' goal on a plate, was instrumental in Villa's second goal scored by Douglas Luiz, and scored his team's fourth goal himself. This was a sparkling performance by the Jamaica international who has clearly worked hard on his game to obtain the kind of consistency that has forced Unai Emery to play him. Now that's how you force your way into a successful team .
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 27, 2024, 05:34:19 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 27, 2024, 05:37:51 PM
May have been mentioned elsewhere, but I see that the BBC has now signed up and is making a song and dance about having signed up Wayne Rooney as a pundit. The first time we will get to hear the wisdom and wit of pundit Wayne will be as part of the BBC's coverage of the FA Cup tie between Notts Forest and - wait for it - Manchester United.
Every TV football match I've ever seen has had pundits that played for one or both of the teams playing. What's the problem with this?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 27, 2024, 05:40:37 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 27, 2024, 05:47:15 PM
Post by: TelfordVilla on February 27, 2024, 05:58:09 PM
the best episode of MOTD in recent years was when they all went on strike in support of FA Cup ears and it was left to pictures and crowd noise . BrilliantI agree. Don't usually watch the program but did that time to support that style of show.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 27, 2024, 05:59:48 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 27, 2024, 06:10:02 PM
Unless it is that useless shitbag Richards - then i have to skip over that as well as his voice and general "Matey Cuntishness" irritates beyond belief.
Post by: VillaTim on February 27, 2024, 06:14:23 PM
Disagree, thought it seemed very unimportant.they tried to ruin the viewer experience by not playing the famous intro music etc in solidarity with jug ears. It backfired and they created a brilliant template of how it should be .
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 27, 2024, 06:23:27 PM
May have been mentioned elsewhere, but I see that the BBC has now signed up and is making a song and dance about having signed up Wayne Rooney as a pundit. The first time we will get to hear the wisdom and wit of pundit Wayne will be as part of the BBC's coverage of the FA Cup tie between Notts Forest and - wait for it - Manchester United.
Every TV football match I've ever seen has had pundits that played for one or both of the teams playing. What's the problem with this?
The problem is that he has clearly been engaged by the BBC on account of him being a famous ex Man Utd player, rather than on the basis of his ability to communicate a deep seated knowledge of the game to an audience in an articulate, entertaining and informative manner (biased or not).
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 27, 2024, 08:19:34 PM
May have been mentioned elsewhere, but I see that the BBC has now signed up and is making a song and dance about having signed up Wayne Rooney as a pundit. The first time we will get to hear the wisdom and wit of pundit Wayne will be as part of the BBC's coverage of the FA Cup tie between Notts Forest and - wait for it - Manchester United.
Every TV football match I've ever seen has had pundits that played for one or both of the teams playing. What's the problem with this?
The problem is that he has clearly been engaged by the BBC on account of him being a famous ex Man Utd player, rather than on the basis of his ability to communicate a deep seated knowledge of the game to an audience in an articulate, entertaining and informative manner (biased or not).
If inarticulate former footballers on TV is what's upsetting you, I'd recommend turning the sound down on every game.
Post by: OCD on February 27, 2024, 08:40:06 PM
May have been mentioned elsewhere, but I see that the BBC has now signed up and is making a song and dance about having signed up Wayne Rooney as a pundit. The first time we will get to hear the wisdom and wit of pundit Wayne will be as part of the BBC's coverage of the FA Cup tie between Notts Forest and - wait for it - Manchester United.
Every TV football match I've ever seen has had pundits that played for one or both of the teams playing. What's the problem with this?
It's ok if they have an ex-Forest figure in the studio (and I don't mean Roy Keane) but they probably won't.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 27, 2024, 08:50:12 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on February 27, 2024, 08:50:50 PM
Post by: Dave on February 27, 2024, 08:51:21 PM
May have been mentioned elsewhere, but I see that the BBC has now signed up and is making a song and dance about having signed up Wayne Rooney as a pundit. The first time we will get to hear the wisdom and wit of pundit Wayne will be as part of the BBC's coverage of the FA Cup tie between Notts Forest and - wait for it - Manchester United.
Every TV football match I've ever seen has had pundits that played for one or both of the teams playing. What's the problem with this?
It's ok if they have an ex-Forest figure in the studio (and I don't mean Roy Keane) but they probably won't.
Teddy Sheringham?
Post by: OCD on February 27, 2024, 08:54:08 PM
Post by: charlatan on February 27, 2024, 08:54:57 PM
Teddy Sheringham?
Edward for the night?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 27, 2024, 09:00:09 PM
https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/features/premier-league-clubs-ranked-by-social-media-followers
Edit: and while I'm at it, I'd want them to add: "we have no obligation to be impartial. We're not BBC News. We've paid a lot of money to show these games and we'd like to see a fucking return on that investment if that's OK with you? And if you're a fucking Southampton fan, that's your fucking problem, you sad twat. Here's a fucking Spurs match."
Post by: Dave on February 27, 2024, 09:13:08 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 27, 2024, 09:14:25 PM
When
The
Spurs
I can't go on and I now follow Southampton.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 27, 2024, 09:56:35 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 27, 2024, 10:03:02 PM
That slow Spurs chant is the absolute fucking worst thing in football.
No, people who think the TV companies support football teams is the worst thing in football. It's like thinking the sun (not, you'll note, The Sun) prefers the Canary Islands.
Post by: Risso on February 27, 2024, 10:05:17 PM
That slow Spurs chant is the absolute fucking worst thing in football.
I can't stand the basic Arsenal one. Just "Are-su-null" over and over again in a really moody, cockney accent.
Post by: VillaTim on February 27, 2024, 10:15:58 PM
Up there with the Chelsea chantThat slow Spurs chant is the absolute fucking worst thing in football.
I can't stand the basic Arsenal one. Just "Are-su-null" over and over again in a really moody, cockney accent.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 28, 2024, 08:47:49 AM
For my own peace of mind, I really, really wish that all the broadcasters would release a joint statement saying something like this: "it's not bias towards the 'big six'. It's naked capitalism. Many more people give a shit about those six clubs. We couldn't give a shit. If your shit club suddenly found loads of new supporters, we'd pander to your petty fucking grievances too (not that you'll be satisfied by that, because that's literally not possible). We don't care about any club. We care about money. Live with it, because it isn't changing until you fucking do."This is fantastic.
https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/features/premier-league-clubs-ranked-by-social-media-followers
Edit: and while I'm at it, I'd want them to add: "we have no obligation to be impartial. We're not BBC News. We've paid a lot of money to show these games and we'd like to see a fucking return on that investment if that's OK with you? And if you're a fucking Southampton fan, that's your fucking problem, you sad twat. Here's a fucking Spurs match."
Post by: LeeB on February 28, 2024, 08:55:40 AM
That slow Spurs chant is the absolute fucking worst thing in football.
It's been superseded by the Arsenal 'anthem'.
Post by: Nev on February 28, 2024, 09:19:45 AM
That slow Spurs chant is the absolute fucking worst thing in football.
It's been superseded by the Arsenal 'anthem'.
"North London Forever". From a team that used to play in south London.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 28, 2024, 09:56:08 AM
Post by: LeeB on February 28, 2024, 10:01:39 AM
I like the Arsenal anthem and I can see why they do too. It's better than Hi-Ho for sure.
Weirdo!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 28, 2024, 10:03:25 AM
I like the Arsenal anthem and I can see why they do too. It's better than Hi-Ho for sure.
Weirdo!
Indeed, helps explain why Coldplay are popular though.
Post by: Mister E on February 28, 2024, 10:19:23 AM
I like the Arsenal anthem and I can see why they do too. It's better than Hi-Ho for sure.I like the idea of a welcoming song that all the fans know and is unique to the club. Hi-Ho is sung by away fans at VP with equal gusto as the home fans do, and whilst it reminds me of the early-mid seventies I'm sure we could do something more distinctive.
But then, this is a discussion that's been had on here countless times.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 28, 2024, 06:58:51 PM
For my own peace of mind, I really, really wish that all the broadcasters would release a joint statement saying something like this: "it's not bias towards the 'big six'. It's naked capitalism. Many more people give a shit about those six clubs. We couldn't give a shit. If your shit club suddenly found loads of new supporters, we'd pander to your petty fucking grievances too (not that you'll be satisfied by that, because that's literally not possible). We don't care about any club. We care about money. Live with it, because it isn't changing until you fucking do."This is fantastic.
https://www.si.com/fannation/soccer/futbol/features/premier-league-clubs-ranked-by-social-media-followers
Edit: and while I'm at it, I'd want them to add: "we have no obligation to be impartial. We're not BBC News. We've paid a lot of money to show these games and we'd like to see a fucking return on that investment if that's OK with you? And if you're a fucking Southampton fan, that's your fucking problem, you sad twat. Here's a fucking Spurs match."
Thanks for your support, you absolute prick*.
*I'm obviously joking, don't think you're a prick and appreciate your kindness!
Post by: VillaTim on March 02, 2024, 10:34:55 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 02, 2024, 10:35:22 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 02, 2024, 10:49:53 PM
So you could moan about it.You think it's ok no doubt Spurs are on before us despite our game having more meaning more goals and we are higher up the league. Crack on then
Post by: Legion on March 02, 2024, 10:50:24 PM
Why are Spurs on before us
Saving the best until last.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 02, 2024, 11:09:56 PM
Why are Spurs on before us
So they can spend more time praising Ollie Watkins.
Post by: Rigadon on March 02, 2024, 11:10:38 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 02, 2024, 11:12:15 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 02, 2024, 11:42:17 PM
Jonathan Pearce. ******.
Why?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 02, 2024, 11:44:18 PM
Jonathan Pearce. ******.
Why?
Yeah, don't get the beef with Pearce, he's normally complimentary about us.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 02, 2024, 11:53:39 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 12:11:18 AM
His high blood pressure commentary style normally suits our games , certainly ones like todayJonathan Pearce. ******.
Why?
Yeah, don't get the beef with Pearce, he's normally complimentary about us.
Post by: olaftab on March 03, 2024, 12:55:55 AM
Post by: Rory on March 03, 2024, 02:05:34 AM
From the reaction of every single Geordie I've ever met, Shearer has one huge reason to hate us after the last game of '08/'09, but I find him always very positive about us.
Tonight, they rightly pointed out that we could've been 5-0 up at HT, but weren't. Luton then got back into it, including opportunities to win it, but in the end we did; overall it was deserved, and then went into an analysis of how excellent Ollie is.
All fine by me.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 03, 2024, 02:12:34 AM
Post by: Rory on March 03, 2024, 02:20:20 AM
Agreed I expected them to go on about Luton’s pluckiness but they didn’t.
Nope, and they could've done.
As per the comments in the match and post-match threads, we should've won that much more comfortably than we did.
But MOTD spoke mainly about us and how good we were when we played our game.
No complaints from me. I think they're treating us as a serious team.
Post by: CT Villan on March 03, 2024, 02:23:05 AM
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 03, 2024, 02:59:47 AM
Shearer in particular is a very good pundit. Very balanced. Even with Newcastle where you’d forgive him for being biased.
Post by: Rory on March 03, 2024, 03:32:09 AM
I also only watch when we win.
Shearer in particular is a very good pundit. Very balanced. Even with Newcastle where you’d forgive him for being biased.
Agreed.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 03, 2024, 07:42:01 AM
Personally hope luton stay up i admire their guts and determination
Post by: Risso on March 03, 2024, 07:46:35 AM
Lineker signed off with "it was another late late show by Villa" WTF is that? Last time was Sheff Utd at home but not a win if I remember correctly.
I think he meant "another" as in another game on last night's MOTD where a team scored a late winner (eg Liverpool) not 'another Villa game' if that makes sense.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 03, 2024, 08:22:22 AM
Lineker signed off with "it was another late late show by Villa" WTF is that? Last time was Sheff Utd at home but not a win if I remember correctly.
I think he meant "another" as in another game on last night's MOTD where a team scored a late winner (eg Liverpool) not 'another Villa game' if that makes sense.
Also aren't we top or close to top for scoring in the last 10 minutes (although we are definitely top for first half goals).
Post by: Rigadon on March 03, 2024, 11:14:44 AM
Jonathan Pearce. ******.
Why?
You know what, I watched it back this morning and I have no idea what I was so cross about. That’ll teach me (again) not post on here when a bit tired and emotional! Apologies to Mr Pearce are due.
Post by: olaftab on March 03, 2024, 11:23:14 AM
More of a R5 thing. But Mark Warburton. I didn't hear his commentary, just saw a few in the BBC text, but he seems a strange choice for co-commentator as he has never played at any real level or managed at much past Championship. Even his Rangers gig started during the rising from the grave. He also didn't seem to give much insight. I suppose it is better giving him the money then the braying hyenas they sometime do though.With you there. I don't mind people from football in general being part of the studio discussion team but the pro making in-match comments in a PL games needs to be that level player. I want to know what was possible/impossible and what was really good/bad from a person who experienced it at the highest level.
Post by: olaftab on March 03, 2024, 11:24:06 AM
OK, that would be appropriate.Lineker signed off with "it was another late late show by Villa" WTF is that? Last time was Sheff Utd at home but not a win if I remember correctly.
I think he meant "another" as in another game on last night's MOTD where a team scored a late winner (eg Liverpool) not 'another Villa game' if that makes sense.
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 11:24:21 AM
Post by: Legion on March 03, 2024, 11:28:51 AM
The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
That issue will be resolved next Sunday.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 03, 2024, 11:29:46 AM
Post by: Pat Mustard on March 03, 2024, 11:30:31 AM
The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
To be fair to them isn’t that more down to the fact that our game had been televised? I always get the impression that the Saturday live games are given less priority in the running order as the majority of people who watch MOTD have probably already seen them.
Post by: Clampy on March 03, 2024, 11:30:48 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 03, 2024, 11:31:27 AM
The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
To be fair to them isn’t that more down to the fact that our game had been televised? I always get the impression that the Saturday live games are given less priority in the running order as the majority of people who watch MOTD have probably already seen them.
That would be the sensible conclusion to draw, wouldn't it?
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 11:33:00 AM
Not sure that's true , pretty sure I've seen Big6 games on live then 1st on MOTD .The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
To be fair to them isn’t that more down to the fact that our game had been televised? I always get the impression that the Saturday live games are given less priority in the running order as the majority of people who watch MOTD have probably already seen them.
Spurs Palace should have been down the pecking order. Our game had top and bottom connotations
Post by: Legion on March 03, 2024, 11:33:08 AM
Nah, if we lose they will put the game on first, but if we win, they will put the game on last.
Ha! Very good. Probably accurate as well.
Post by: Gareth on March 03, 2024, 11:33:14 AM
The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
It really doesn’t matter….you might need to develop a thicker skin…in the scheme of gripes motd running order is completely and utterly pointless.
5.30 game is rarely high up the order unless something mad happens because of the editing etc
Post by: Somniloquism on March 03, 2024, 11:37:49 AM
Not sure that's true , pretty sure I've seen Big6 games on live then 1st on MOTD .The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
To be fair to them isn’t that more down to the fact that our game had been televised? I always get the impression that the Saturday live games are given less priority in the running order as the majority of people who watch MOTD have probably already seen them.
Spurs Palace should have been down the pecking order. Our game had top and bottom connotations
They have, but even last week both Citeh and Arsenal were below us in the pecking order as both matches were on live that evening.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 03, 2024, 11:38:03 AM
The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
To be fair to them isn’t that more down to the fact that our game had been televised? I always get the impression that the Saturday live games are given less priority in the running order as the majority of people who watch MOTD have probably already seen them.
That would be the sensible conclusion to draw, wouldn't it?
Not to mention it kicked off later, so less time to review and edit.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 03, 2024, 11:45:52 AM
The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
To be fair to them isn’t that more down to the fact that our game had been televised? I always get the impression that the Saturday live games are given less priority in the running order as the majority of people who watch MOTD have probably already seen them.
That would be the sensible conclusion to draw, wouldn't it?
Not to mention it kicked off later, so less time to review and edit.
The order of play too. Spurs kicking off at 3pm and winning meant they gained ground on us to the viewer who isn’t as invested in league positions and hasn’t been following the day’s results.
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 11:47:12 AM
If Luton had gone on to do a full turnaround and won, i'd put money on it being on 1st or definitely before the Spurs game. Villa winning didn't suit their narrative.The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
It really doesn’t matter….you might need to develop a thicker skin…in the scheme of gripes motd running order is completely and utterly pointless.
5.30 game is rarely high up the order unless something mad happens because of the editing etc
Post by: Somniloquism on March 03, 2024, 11:48:09 AM
Ok then.
They didn't even do any coverage of Luton post match they were fawning so much over Watkins and our comeback.
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 11:49:08 AM
So something you can't prove is proof of the MOTD conspiracy.err Spurs on ahead of us yesterday .
Ok then.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 03, 2024, 11:50:41 AM
If Luton had gone on to do a full turnaround and won, i'd put money on it being on 1st or definitely before the Spurs game. Villa winning didn't suit their narrative.The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
It really doesn’t matter….you might need to develop a thicker skin…in the scheme of gripes motd running order is completely and utterly pointless.
5.30 game is rarely high up the order unless something mad happens because of the editing etc
And rightly so, a bottom three club beating a top four club is a bigger story.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 03, 2024, 11:54:01 AM
So something you can't prove is proof of the MOTD conspiracy.err Spurs on ahead of us yesterday .
Ok then.
As you well know, your latest punt on "all a conspiracy" was we would have "definitely been first if we had lost to Luton". But as you just like farming replies, cheerio.
Post by: Richard E on March 03, 2024, 11:55:17 AM
Post by: Simon Page on March 03, 2024, 11:57:57 AM
Woe am we.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 03, 2024, 12:29:14 PM
So something you can't prove is proof of the MOTD conspiracy.
Ok then.
err Spurs on ahead of us yesterday .
I can guarantee they won't be on ahead of us on MOTD2 next Sunday.
Post by: Witton Warrior on March 03, 2024, 12:41:49 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 12:48:54 PM
ha i know Legion called it earlier onSo something you can't prove is proof of the MOTD conspiracy.
Ok then.
err Spurs on ahead of us yesterday .
I can guarantee they won't be on ahead of us on MOTD2 next Sunday.
Post by: Gareth on March 03, 2024, 01:44:59 PM
If Luton had gone on to do a full turnaround and won, i'd put money on it being on 1st or definitely before the Spurs game. Villa winning didn't suit their narrative.The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
It really doesn’t matter….you might need to develop a thicker skin…in the scheme of gripes motd running order is completely and utterly pointless.
5.30 game is rarely high up the order unless something mad happens because of the editing etc
Probably as it would have been a surprise - as it happens 2 teams fighting for the same position both won so showing chronologically isn’t anything significant - doesn’t matter then if Pearce mentioned Spurs result in comms etc
Post by: IFWaters on March 03, 2024, 03:15:34 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 03:22:07 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 03, 2024, 03:49:27 PM
Gutted watching that waste of 90 mins
was happy to see that watkins dummy on MOTD thou in the talk after the highlights
Post by: Dave on March 03, 2024, 04:00:07 PM
I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place.
They absolutely couldn't care less who is where.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2024, 04:25:27 PM
I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place.
They absolutely couldn't care less who is where.
Absolutely.
I can't believe anyone really believes all that "they hate us" style narrative, it's clearly not true.
When we were looking unbeatable before xmas, you couldn't turn the football on without seeing someone talk about us winning the league.
If they have historically focused on the north west and the capital, that's because that is where all the silverware goes.
If a good chunk of it started coming here, their focus would change too.
Post by: Gareth on March 03, 2024, 04:32:27 PM
I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place.
They absolutely couldn't care less who is where.
Absolutely.
I can't believe anyone really believes all that "they hate us" style narrative, it's clearly not true.
When we were looking unbeatable before xmas, you couldn't turn the football on without seeing someone talk about us winning the league.
If they have historically focused on the north west and the capital, that's because that is where all the silverware goes.
If a good chunk of it started coming here, their focus would change too.
Agree with everything you say there Paulie
Not sure it fits the narrative of some tho :-)
Post by: eamonn on March 03, 2024, 04:56:44 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 03, 2024, 05:00:27 PM
I can't believe anyone really believes all that "they hate us" style narrative, it's clearly not true.
When we were looking unbeatable before xmas, you couldn't turn the football on without seeing someone talk about us winning the league.
If they have historically focused on the north west and the capital, that's because that is where all the silverware goes
That's obviously wrong. I looked at the RAWK MOTD thread earlier and they were complaining about the analysis of their goal yesterday, highlighting how much the MOTD pundits hate them.
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 05:14:03 PM
I wonder would the Forest-Liverpool game been on last had it stayed scoreless.Think in that instance it's
1. Spurs game
2 Liverpool game
3 us
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 03, 2024, 05:18:52 PM
I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Post by: IFWaters on March 03, 2024, 06:11:34 PM
I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Ok all you experts, tell me where the detailed analysis of why Villa have been successful is on any of the mainstream media. It isn't there because they can't be bothered. Can you actually say you watch Sky coverage and think they cover us in the same way as Man Utd or Spurs, our direct competitors. When they are on its an absolute wankfest. I don't understand how you can all be so deluded to think otherwise. It's the same with any media coverage of the area between the home counties and Cheshire, basically it doesn't exist.
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 06:15:41 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 03, 2024, 06:25:58 PM
I can't believe anyone really believes all that "they hate us" style narrative, it's clearly not true.
When we were looking unbeatable before xmas, you couldn't turn the football on without seeing someone talk about us winning the league.
If they have historically focused on the north west and the capital, that's because that is where all the silverware goes
That's obviously wrong. I looked at the RAWK MOTD thread earlier and they were complaining about the analysis of their goal yesterday, highlighting how much the MOTD pundits hate them.
See Arsenal TV and all that bollocks too. Every team has a set of fans who think the media has it in for them.
Post by: Dave on March 03, 2024, 06:48:14 PM
I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Ok all you experts, tell me where the detailed analysis of why Villa have been successful is on any of the mainstream media. It isn't there because they can't be bothered. Can you actually say you watch Sky coverage and think they cover us in the same way as Man Utd or Spurs, our direct competitors. When they are on its an absolute wankfest. I don't understand how you can all be so deluded to think otherwise. It's the same with any media coverage of the area between the home counties and Cheshire, basically it doesn't exist.
I don't want to just quote Paddy's excellent explanation, but just to summarise it with less swearing - this isn't because they don't like us, it's because covering us doesn't make them as much money as covering other teams does.
When we are more successful and talking about us makes them as much money as them talking about Man Utd does, they will. Until then, they won't.
And the BBC broadly cover us in proportion to how well we're doing. Right now, BBC Sport is basically an Ollie Watkins propaganda channel.
When we're pissing about where Fulham are, they don't bother covering us as much. Because nobody cares.
Post by: Gareth on March 03, 2024, 06:51:08 PM
I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Ok all you experts, tell me where the detailed analysis of why Villa have been successful is on any of the mainstream media. It isn't there because they can't be bothered. Can you actually say you watch Sky coverage and think they cover us in the same way as Man Utd or Spurs, our direct competitors. When they are on its an absolute wankfest. I don't understand how you can all be so deluded to think otherwise. It's the same with any media coverage of the area between the home counties and Cheshire, basically it doesn't exist.
I don't want to just quote Paddy's excellent explanation, but just to summarise it with less swearing - this isn't because they don't like us, it's because covering us doesn't make them as much money as covering other teams does.
When we are more successful and talking about us makes them as much money as them talking about Man Utd does, they will. Until then, they won't.
And the BBC broadly cover us in proportion to how well we're doing. Right now, BBC Sport is basically an Ollie Watkins propaganda channel.
When we're pissing about where Fulham are, they don't bother covering us as much. Because nobody cares.
Nail on head Dave
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 03, 2024, 06:52:36 PM
Yes, this is the reality of the position. They don’t care about us because commercials we don’t matter.I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Ok all you experts, tell me where the detailed analysis of why Villa have been successful is on any of the mainstream media. It isn't there because they can't be bothered. Can you actually say you watch Sky coverage and think they cover us in the same way as Man Utd or Spurs, our direct competitors. When they are on its an absolute wankfest. I don't understand how you can all be so deluded to think otherwise. It's the same with any media coverage of the area between the home counties and Cheshire, basically it doesn't exist.
I don't want to just quote Paddy's excellent explanation, but just to summarise it with less swearing - this isn't because they don't like us, it's because covering us doesn't make them as much money as covering other teams does.
When we are more successful and talking about us makes them as much money as them talking about Man Utd does, they will. Until then, they won't.
And the BBC broadly cover us in proportion to how well we're doing. Right now, BBC Sport is basically an Ollie Watkins propaganda channel.
When we're pissing about where Fulham are, they don't bother covering us as much. Because nobody cares.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 03, 2024, 06:54:56 PM
That's obviously wrong. I looked at the RAWK MOTD thread earlier and they were complaining about the analysis of their goal yesterday, highlighting how much the MOTD pundits hate them.
See Arsenal TV and all that bollocks too. Every team has a set of fans who think the media has it in for them.
On the Yanited fprum they were moaning about the inordinate number of jammy last minute goals Liverpool score, whereas people are still banging on about the injury time winners they got against Sheff Weds 30+ years ago.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 03, 2024, 08:13:11 PM
I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Ok all you experts, tell me where the detailed analysis of why Villa have been successful is on any of the mainstream media. It isn't there because they can't be bothered. Can you actually say you watch Sky coverage and think they cover us in the same way as Man Utd or Spurs, our direct competitors. When they are on its an absolute wankfest. I don't understand how you can all be so deluded to think otherwise. It's the same with any media coverage of the area between the home counties and Cheshire, basically it doesn't exist.
I don't want to just quote Paddy's excellent explanation, but just to summarise it with less swearing - this isn't because they don't like us, it's because covering us doesn't make them as much money as covering other teams does.
When we are more successful and talking about us makes them as much money as them talking about Man Utd does, they will. Until then, they won't.
And the BBC broadly cover us in proportion to how well we're doing. Right now, BBC Sport is basically an Ollie Watkins propaganda channel.
When we're pissing about where Fulham are, they don't bother covering us as much. Because nobody cares.
I broadly endorse this linguistically tame post.
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 03, 2024, 08:24:13 PM
There was one weird thing on I think the new years day edition of MOTD2. Where at the end of the show they talked about the title race and it being between Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal and possibly Spurs….we were 3rd at the time. It was just strange to omit us from that conversation completely at that moment. It was Manish as well who I like as a presenter.I agree with Tim. MOTD, Sky, TNT all don't like us being where we are. It spoils the narrative, we should know our place. The analysis is often lazy and recycles what they've all said before. It's not just about Watkins, even though he is having an excellent season. Where is any analysis of the impact of Pau or Kamara? So without agreeing with every point Tim makes, he is basically correct, in my view.
Fucking hell.
Edit: sorry, just saw this has been addressed by the bigger boys!
Ok all you experts, tell me where the detailed analysis of why Villa have been successful is on any of the mainstream media. It isn't there because they can't be bothered. Can you actually say you watch Sky coverage and think they cover us in the same way as Man Utd or Spurs, our direct competitors. When they are on its an absolute wankfest. I don't understand how you can all be so deluded to think otherwise. It's the same with any media coverage of the area between the home counties and Cheshire, basically it doesn't exist.
I don't want to just quote Paddy's excellent explanation, but just to summarise it with less swearing - this isn't because they don't like us, it's because covering us doesn't make them as much money as covering other teams does.
When we are more successful and talking about us makes them as much money as them talking about Man Utd does, they will. Until then, they won't.
And the BBC broadly cover us in proportion to how well we're doing. Right now, BBC Sport is basically an Ollie Watkins propaganda channel.
When we're pissing about where Fulham are, they don't bother covering us as much. Because nobody cares.
Other than that, I pretty much agree with you and SE and I also find the paranoia and circular arguments tiring.
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 11:20:49 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2024, 11:23:43 PM
MOTD2 and they've put Spurs on before us again. What's the excuse this time
Honestly, who fucking cares?
Match of the Day is an anachronism (that means it is something that belongs to a period in the past). It's like moaning about the Shipping Forecast
"WHY IS NORTH UTSIRE ON BEFORE SOUTH UTSIRE?"
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 11:31:04 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 03, 2024, 11:33:21 PM
If anything, it feels to me like the media have accepted we're going to qualify for the Champions League, it almost seems a given.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 03, 2024, 11:36:50 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 03, 2024, 11:43:40 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 03, 2024, 11:48:41 PM
They put the table up at the end . No mention of us and a "Man Utd remain 11 points off fourth" .
That irritated me initially, but then I realised they were only mentioning where the clubs that played today were.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 04, 2024, 12:40:18 AM
Post by: lovejoy on March 04, 2024, 08:34:46 AM
Nah, if we lose they will put the game on first, but if we win, they will put the game on last.
Some of the comments on this thread are drifting in to chip on shoulder territory. I tend to think we get a reasonable crack on MOTD.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 04, 2024, 08:43:29 AM
Post by: Dave on March 04, 2024, 09:06:23 AM
If anything, it feels to me like the media have accepted we're going to qualify for the Champions League, it almost seems a given.
Last season it seemed like there was about five months of mad, frothing excitment in the media at how Newcastle might finish in the top four. Then, around February when it moved from being possible to likely, to inevitable to mathematically certain it just stopped being interesting for them.
It was just a thing that had happened. Given the fourth / fifth thing looks a bit like it's going to make no difference and it looks like the current top five will probably end the season there, there's limited mileage in them talking about it.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 04, 2024, 10:02:36 AM
If anything, it feels to me like the media have accepted we're going to qualify for the Champions League, it almost seems a given.
Last season it seemed like there was about five months of mad, frothing excitment in the media at how Newcastle might finish in the top four. Then, around February when it moved from being possible to likely, to inevitable to mathematically certain it just stopped being interesting for them.
It was just a thing that had happened. Given the fourth / fifth thing looks a bit like it's going to make no difference and it looks like the current top five will probably end the season there, there's limited mileage in them talking about it.
Add to that, I know this all feels incredible to us because of where we've been. But look at it from a neutral perspective: we have a top six squad and a top four manager. It's not that much of a surprise that we'll finish fourth or fifth, is it?
Post by: eamonn on March 04, 2024, 10:02:59 AM
Post by: Drummond on March 04, 2024, 01:31:43 PM
The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
That issue will be resolved next Sunday.
We'll be second. Top two will be on first, regardless of scorelines.
Post by: VillaTim on March 04, 2024, 01:44:29 PM
No issue with that . It's logical.The main gripe yesterday is they put Spurs on before us . And yes it does matter. It says everything about how they feel about us without actually saying it.
That issue will be resolved next Sunday.
We'll be second. Top two will be on first, regardless of scorelines.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 04, 2024, 06:16:38 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on March 04, 2024, 06:41:56 PM
I bet we are not on first on Saturday night.After we pump them 7-1,we will be
Post by: Somniloquism on March 04, 2024, 06:47:33 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2024, 06:50:29 PM
If anything, it feels to me like the media have accepted we're going to qualify for the Champions League, it almost seems a given.
Last season it seemed like there was about five months of mad, frothing excitment in the media at how Newcastle might finish in the top four. Then, around February when it moved from being possible to likely, to inevitable to mathematically certain it just stopped being interesting for them.
It was just a thing that had happened. Given the fourth / fifth thing looks a bit like it's going to make no difference and it looks like the current top five will probably end the season there, there's limited mileage in them talking about it.
Add to that, I know this all feels incredible to us because of where we've been. But look at it from a neutral perspective: we have a top six squad and a top four manager. It's not that much of a surprise that we'll finish fourth or fifth, is it?
Also, we're Aston Villa.
We're nudging back to where we belong. We're not some pointless fucking club like Albion or Small Heath having their day in the sun.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 04, 2024, 06:53:04 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 10, 2024, 04:22:05 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 08:43:46 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 10, 2024, 08:58:09 PM
To be honest there are very few things (in the general scheme of every day life) I’d rather not do than watch MOTD when we’ve lost, especially when we’ve been smashed.
Don't worry. You will have a running commentary on how they spent so many minutes commenting on Spurs winning and how they would never have done the same if Villa had won. It is all a conspiracy.
Post by: VillaTim on March 10, 2024, 09:11:34 PM
Don't worry , I won't be watching .To be honest there are very few things (in the general scheme of every day life) I’d rather not do than watch MOTD when we’ve lost, especially when we’ve been smashed.
Don't worry. You will have a running commentary on how they spent so many minutes commenting on Spurs winning and how they would never have done the same if Villa had won. It is all a conspiracy.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 09:15:19 PM
Don't worry , I won't be watching .To be honest there are very few things (in the general scheme of every day life) I’d rather not do than watch MOTD when we’ve lost, especially when we’ve been smashed.
Don't worry. You will have a running commentary on how they spent so many minutes commenting on Spurs winning and how they would never have done the same if Villa had won. It is all a conspiracy.
Yes he’s fully responsible for us conceding.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 10, 2024, 09:18:47 PM
Watch the ****** put our game on 1st and lining up will be Jenas and Murphy.
Don't worry , I won't be watching .
???
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 16, 2024, 10:48:45 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 16, 2024, 10:53:32 PM
Christ on a stick. The punditry on this evening's MotD is abysmal.Have they managed to brush the Spurs defeat under the carpet . (Not watching).
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 16, 2024, 10:54:19 PM
Christ on a stick. The punditry on this evening's MotD is abysmal.Have they managed to brush the Spurs defeat under the carpet . (Not watching).
They're saving the best till last :)
Post by: VillaTim on March 16, 2024, 10:55:41 PM
Might put that on then. Be rude not to.Christ on a stick. The punditry on this evening's MotD is abysmal.Have they managed to brush the Spurs defeat under the carpet . (Not watching).
They're saving the best till last :)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 16, 2024, 11:06:47 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 16, 2024, 11:21:59 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 17, 2024, 08:10:19 AM
Post by: VillaTim on March 17, 2024, 05:59:23 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 17, 2024, 06:02:15 PM
If we aren't on first tonight there's definitely an issue.
Is the FA Cup not part of the highlights?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 17, 2024, 06:03:34 PM
If we aren't on first tonight there's definitely an issue.
Is the FA Cup not part of the highlights?
No, they're usually separate.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 17, 2024, 06:04:09 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 17, 2024, 09:02:42 PM
I checked and they have prem highlights for 25 mins, then FA Cup highlights as a separate programme.
What time (us)?
Post by: Somniloquism on March 17, 2024, 09:17:44 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 17, 2024, 09:20:08 PM
VAR disallowed 2 goals - both correctly.
They didn't give us a blatant pen ??
Zaniolo should have had a 2nd yellow ?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 17, 2024, 09:37:30 PM
Normal time of 2230.
Thanks.
Post by: Lsvilla on March 17, 2024, 09:59:40 PM
Sky extended (30 minute) highlights at 10.Normal time of 2230.
Thanks.
Post by: VillaTim on March 17, 2024, 10:36:47 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 17, 2024, 10:51:16 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 17, 2024, 10:53:59 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 17, 2024, 10:57:14 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 17, 2024, 10:57:32 PM
On first.Is the only game….lol
Post by: Somniloquism on March 17, 2024, 10:58:23 PM
On first.Is the only game….lol
So we were last? Defund the BBC.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 17, 2024, 11:01:39 PM
Decent from Warnock I thought.
Yes, I enjoyed that. I can tell ‘it feels like a win’ else I wouldn’t have watched it live otherwise. Looking forward to The Monday football show on Sky as well.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 17, 2024, 11:02:34 PM
Sky extended (30 minute) highlights at 10.Normal time of 2230.
Thanks.
Cheers mate. Sorry to be a pain, but do you happen to know when it’s on again?
Post by: jon collett on March 17, 2024, 11:21:54 PM
TBH, both of them were seemed decent pundits. Clear, concise and not laughing like a loon.
Agree but they didn’t analyse our penalty claim after saying they would discuss it.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 17, 2024, 11:38:03 PM
Warnock is a good pundit. Nailed it when speaking about our backline and best current CB pairing being Konsa / Torres.
Agreed, Walcott doesn't add a lot though.
Post by: Pat McMahon on March 17, 2024, 11:41:12 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 17, 2024, 11:43:16 PM
Its recorded on your smart box so you can go back in the programme listing and watch from start.Sky extended (30 minute) highlights at 10.Normal time of 2230.
Thanks.
Cheers mate. Sorry to be a pain, but do you happen to know when it’s on again?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 17, 2024, 11:46:39 PM
Warnock always sounds lucid and reasonably well researched whenever I hear him. Definitely one of the best BBC pundits.
Plus he's a paid-up disciple of the Emery way, having watched us in pre-season training.
Post by: VillaTim on March 18, 2024, 12:10:21 AM
Definitely seems to have an interest in us as his knowledge on Emery the system and players is very good. From the outside looking in I'd say he has a bond with the club.Warnock always sounds lucid and reasonably well researched whenever I hear him. Definitely one of the best BBC pundits.
Plus he's a paid-up disciple of the Emery way, having watched us in pre-season training.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 18, 2024, 06:00:36 AM
Its recorded on your smart box so you can go back in the programme listing and watch from start.Sky extended (30 minute) highlights at 10.Normal time of 2230.
Thanks.
Cheers mate. Sorry to be a pain, but do you happen to know when it’s on again?
Cheers olaftab. Found and watching now.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 18, 2024, 08:15:10 AM
TBH, both of them were seemed decent pundits. Clear, concise and not laughing like a loon.
Agree but they didn’t analyse our penalty claim after saying they would discuss it.
No they didn't. They said they would get back to Soucek's handball later just after they came back from Emery mentioning our handball. I'm surprised they didn't dedicate at least 20 seconds of the sparse programme to it though even if it would have been, "seen them given but can see why they didn't in this case."
Post by: VillaTim on March 18, 2024, 09:52:17 AM
Post by: paul_e on March 18, 2024, 01:43:49 PM
I understand why they made the decision they did but I think it's a dangerous way to interpret the law that runs the risk of defenders putting an arm out early to interfere withplay in a way that they standa decent chance of getting away with.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 18, 2024, 02:27:07 PM
Which I think is ridiculous personally, as it's perfectly natural to use your arms while jumping.
But them's the rules & we have had them given against us for similar shit & had the "un-natural position of the arms" by that little shit-weasel boot licker Gallagher on Skum sports in his little "defend the refs" skit inbetween Skum Spotts wanking over Chelsea, Liverpool, ManU & ManC...
Post by: LeeB on March 18, 2024, 02:33:15 PM
Pesonally I think the proximity argument is a false one in this situation. The guy put his arm into an unnatural position which blocked one of the most likely paths for a cross into the box. That his arm was there first and the ball was kicked into it doesn't really change that. If it had been a keeper he'd be getting praise for 'making himself big'.
I understand why they made the decision they did but I think it's a dangerous way to interpret the law that runs the risk of defenders putting an arm out early to interfere withplay in a way that they standa decent chance of getting away with.
Someone on the Guardian comments said the rules now seem to be if you're an attacker it's always handball and if defending it never is, which seems to be the direction of travel with these changes.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 30, 2024, 10:23:52 PM
Post by: Dave on March 30, 2024, 10:26:46 PM
A routine home win over a mid-table team so we'll probably be on 6th or 7th tonight, given the late drama in some of the other games.
Again, just the media's pro-Wolves, anti-Villa bias.
Trying to hide how great we are for some unexplainable reason.
Post by: Steve67 on March 30, 2024, 10:30:18 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 30, 2024, 10:49:10 PM
A routine home win over a mid-table team so we'll probably be on 6th or 7th tonight, given the late drama in some of the other games.Our game will be on as an afterthought. Where is lineker ? Programme is an absolute shambles.
Post by: VillaTim on March 30, 2024, 11:07:57 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 30, 2024, 11:12:14 PM
We are 4th, yet they have mid table Chelsea game on before ours .lol...yes in the scheme of things probably the most insignificant match today.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 30, 2024, 11:14:08 PM
Post by: Dave on March 30, 2024, 11:16:23 PM
We are 4th, yet they have mid table Chelsea game on before ours .
It's almost like the match they played in was far more entertaining than the most routine, 2-0 home win you could imagine that we played in.
I mean, unless you're suggesting that I dunno, Liverpool 1-0 Crystal Palace should be on before Villa 5-4 Everton just because they're higher in the league?
Just put the matches on from highest in the league downwards? Regardless of what actually happened?
Post by: Somniloquism on March 30, 2024, 11:19:00 PM
We were a pretty routine win in a game that was live on TV and that didn't have much apart from the 2 goals, for the neutral the first 3 games are more exciting.
I would have been fine behind the Sheffield United / Fulham match as well. But then he didn't get a response for his first post so tried again and this time people responded.
Post by: VillaTim on March 30, 2024, 11:22:22 PM
We were a pretty routine win in a game that was live on TV and that didn't have much apart from the 2 goals, for the neutral the first 3 games are more exciting.The Spurs game wasn't exciting.
Post by: VillaTim on March 30, 2024, 11:24:06 PM
Spot on , that's the way it should be .We are 4th, yet they have mid table Chelsea game on before ours .
It's almost like the match they played in was far more entertaining than the most routine, 2-0 home win you could imagine that we played in.
I mean, unless you're suggesting that I dunno, Liverpool 1-0 Crystal Palace should be on before Villa 5-4 Everton just because they're higher in the league?
Just put the matches on from highest in the league downwards? Regardless of what actually happened?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 30, 2024, 11:32:06 PM
I would have been fine behind the Sheffield United / Fulham match as well. But then he didn't get a response for his first post so tried again and this time people responded.
Agreed, and I'd have been fine being on after the Yanited game if it hadn't finished so late.
Post by: VillaTim on March 30, 2024, 11:35:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 30, 2024, 11:36:05 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 30, 2024, 11:42:39 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 30, 2024, 11:42:45 PM
Post by: Rory on March 31, 2024, 02:41:15 AM
We were a pretty routine win in a game that was live on TV and that didn't have much apart from the 2 goals, for the neutral the first 3 games are more exciting.
Yep, seemed fair to me. If Brentford/Man Utd had been a 3pm KO I would've had that ahead of us as well.
Post by: Rory on March 31, 2024, 02:43:23 AM
4 year old Harriet at the Blades game, with an incurable brain tumour. That's a tough one for the poor kid!
Absolutely, just a shame they tried to make it about MOTD rather than her. "Here's another dream she's making - a starring role on Match of the Day!"
Not really. A brief mention before the sixth game.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 31, 2024, 07:28:03 AM
Wilder is a hardworking Yorkshire lad. He works hard for his money.
I thought it was quite subtle. If he said what he really thought most of the interview would have been beeped out and he’d have been heavily fined.
Post by: VillaTim on March 31, 2024, 10:08:59 AM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on March 31, 2024, 10:10:46 AM
Have to say Stephen Warnock is turning into an excellent pundit .
Yes, he's one of the ones I can listen to.........and anyone who keeps Micah Richards off my screen gets my vote
Post by: The Edge on March 31, 2024, 12:45:26 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 31, 2024, 12:48:43 PM
Have to say Stephen Warnock is turning into an excellent pundit .
He must have enjoyed his time with us as he is usually very complementary when talking about us with Sue Smith on Sky Sports.
He must follow our updates as he is one of the few who mentioned our injuries when Sky Sports were crying into their cornflakes about Spurs having a few out.
Sue Smith is another that is excellent at her job too.
Post by: nordenvillain on March 31, 2024, 01:16:54 PM
Don't let Dr Joseph Barton hear you say that about Sue Smith, he'll go into meltdown. I agree that Stephen Warnock and Sue Smith are very good summarisers, I enjoy their interaction with Dermot Gallagher when disagreeing with his takes on potential or actual penalty calls.Have to say Stephen Warnock is turning into an excellent pundit .
He must have enjoyed his time with us as he is usually very complementary when talking about us with Sue Smith on Sky Sports.
He must follow our updates as he is one of the few who mentioned our injuries when Sky Sports were crying into their cornflakes about Spurs having a few out.
Sue Smith is another that is excellent at her job too.
Post by: mrfuse on March 31, 2024, 01:19:59 PM
MOTD is rubbish nowadays.The second Newcastle penalty was an absolute joke but they never even mentioned it.
I was thinking the same thing it seems a lot of people are complaining about that. The Sheffield United disallowed goal wasn't mentioned and we've seen these allowed to stand before.
Just a small thing but our offside goal wasn't shown in the highlights which would have balanced up the talk of Wolves dominating in the first 20 minutes.
Post by: olaftab on March 31, 2024, 01:29:50 PM
Post by: Risso on March 31, 2024, 01:57:14 PM
Watched the full match rerun on Sky this morning and the main commentator for Sky, Seb Hutchinson, was very balanced and normal and would not turn into a Sky6 sycophant at the drop of a hat.
Was it Hinchcliffe as co-commentator? To listen to him, you'd have thought a Villa fan had just shat in his car.
Post by: mrfuse on March 31, 2024, 02:03:52 PM
Watched the full match rerun on Sky this morning and the main commentator for Sky, Seb Hutchinson, was very balanced and normal and would not turn into a Sky6 sycophant at the drop of a hat.
Was it Hinchcliffe as co-commentator? To listen to him, you'd have thought a Villa fan had just shat in his car.
Yeah what was the deal with him.He was harping on about the missed Wolves chance for most of the match.
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 31, 2024, 02:24:21 PM
Watched the full match rerun on Sky this morning and the main commentator for Sky, Seb Hutchinson, was very balanced and normal and would not turn into a Sky6 sycophant at the drop of a hat.
Was it Hinchcliffe as co-commentator? To listen to him, you'd have thought a Villa fan had just shat in his car.
Yeah what was the deal with him.He was harping on about the missed Wolves chance for most of the match.
He is a c**t.
And he is shit at his job.
He is right up there with Lee Hendrie as one of the worst commentators out there.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 31, 2024, 02:25:42 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 31, 2024, 02:27:03 PM
Is everyone who's not very good at their job a c**t?
No. He is both.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 31, 2024, 02:27:23 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 31, 2024, 02:28:02 PM
Why?
Genetics.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 31, 2024, 02:29:16 PM
Sue Smith is another that is excellent at her job too.
The clue is in her name.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 31, 2024, 02:31:30 PM
Watched the full match rerun on Sky this morning and the main commentator for Sky, Seb Hutchinson, was very balanced and normal and would not turn into a Sky6 sycophant at the drop of a hat.
Was it Hinchcliffe as co-commentator? To listen to him, you'd have thought a Villa fan had just shat in his car.
Yeah what was the deal with him.He was harping on about the missed Wolves chance for most of the match.
He is a c**t.
And he is shit at his job.
He is right up there with Lee Hendrie as one of the worst commentators out there.
I think Li’l Lee is good.
Post by: VillaTim on March 31, 2024, 02:34:39 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 31, 2024, 11:02:52 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 31, 2024, 11:16:08 PM
Now if you want to moan that Garth Crooks believes Konsa had a "lengthy lay-off through injury" and that it is Konsa who "stopped us conceding from set-plays" which had been our problem recently, then I'll have your back.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 31, 2024, 11:21:44 PM
MOTD2 doing a race for the title piece , we aren't even in the mix according to them.
Let's be honest, we're not in the race.
However, where I think you've got a point, is earler tonight I found myself wondering if, say, it was Man United in 4th place with our points / games yada situation, would they only be showing the top three then?
I don't think they would.
Post by: VillaTim on March 31, 2024, 11:22:03 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 01, 2024, 08:32:43 AM
MOTD2 doing a race for the title piece , we aren't even in the mix according to them.That will be because we’re not in the mix for the title.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 01, 2024, 08:33:19 AM
MOTD2 doing a race for the title piece , we aren't even in the mix according to them.
Well we’re not.
Post by: Dave on April 01, 2024, 08:39:34 AM
MOTD2 doing a race for the title piece , we aren't even in the mix according to them.
It's about three weeks since you decided our season was basically finished and we needed to be worried about finishing below West Ham.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 01, 2024, 08:44:44 AM
MOTD2 doing a race for the title piece , we aren't even in the mix according to them.
It's about three weeks since you decided our season was basically finished and we needed to be worried about finishing below West Ham.
Ha. Was that the Flinstonesque post Spuds shenanigans?
We would need to win all games including v Top3 and for Liverpool (who play Blades on Thursday) to collapse significantly as after weeks games even if we beat Cit-eh we'd need to get 9 more points from 7 games than Liverpool could get from 8.
Post by: OCD on April 01, 2024, 11:30:56 AM
Post by: VillaTim on April 01, 2024, 12:50:45 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 01, 2024, 02:09:35 PM
It took an excellent second half of the season to finish 7th last season. Going from there to finishing 4th would do me this year, so really not bothered about not being bracketed into the group chasing the title.
7th -> 4th -> ??.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 09, 2024, 09:34:13 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/av/football/68742239
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 09, 2024, 03:23:00 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 09, 2024, 03:33:28 PM
Well "Big Meeks" comes over as as much as a bellend in that that we always thought he was.
He was Club Captain - an abominable example to all other players. Results showed it.
Post by: AV82EC on April 09, 2024, 03:57:47 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 09, 2024, 04:17:38 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on April 09, 2024, 06:08:59 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 09, 2024, 06:20:29 PM
Danny Murphy confessing to cocaine addiction when he finished playing, an explanation of sorts on why he regularly talks cobblers then.
Surely the most miserable sounding cocaine user since Eric Clapton.
Post by: VillaTim on April 09, 2024, 06:25:34 PM
I haven’t watched it but as it’s got the laughing hyena in it I’m sure it’s full of the usual utter bullshit. He was a disgrace that season and he wasn’t alone.Was it him and Guzan who had the spitting competition that day whilst sat on the bench ? or was that Lescott. Wankers .
Post by: Risso on April 09, 2024, 06:30:53 PM
I haven’t watched it but as it’s got the laughing hyena in it I’m sure it’s full of the usual utter bullshit. He was a disgrace that season and he wasn’t alone.Was it him and Guzan who had the spitting competition that day whilst sat on the bench ? or was that Lescott. Wankers .
Lescott. Richards wasn't doing the pissing about but went up to the fans having a go at the players to say something like "how is this helping?"
I will never, ever not be pissed of with that set of turds.
Post by: VillaTim on April 09, 2024, 06:34:22 PM
I just want to erase that era / memories unfortunately i went to most of the games back then .I haven’t watched it but as it’s got the laughing hyena in it I’m sure it’s full of the usual utter bullshit. He was a disgrace that season and he wasn’t alone.Was it him and Guzan who had the spitting competition that day whilst sat on the bench ? or was that Lescott. Wankers .
Lescott. Richards wasn't doing the pissing about but went up to the fans having a go at the players to say something like "how is this helping?"
I will never, ever not be pissed of with that set of turds.
Post by: Chris Harte on April 09, 2024, 07:15:59 PM
Richards at least had the fact he was crocked in the Championship and had the right to see out his contract on his side. It was still a nerve for him to whine about his wages dropping to a quarter of what they were at Citeh after we were relegated, though.
Post by: VillaTim on April 09, 2024, 09:00:25 PM
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on April 09, 2024, 09:14:55 PM
Post by: Chris Harte on April 09, 2024, 10:01:00 PM
Lescott the car tweet after the 0-6 home loss summed up his contempt for the fans. Proper see you next Tuesday guy .That was a definite part of my dislike of him as well. Claimed he'd sent it accidently by sitting on his phone.
Post by: aldridgeboy on April 09, 2024, 10:18:09 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 09, 2024, 10:24:46 PM
I don’t know whether this was influenced by me being a kid of 13 first time round in 86-87 and a bot more naive, but it felt like lots of that team gave more of a shit. Allan Evans, Spinksy, Steve Hunt, Paul Birch, Mark Walters, Garry Thompson, did seem like they cared, they were just badly managed.
Post by: VillaTim on April 09, 2024, 11:00:35 PM
Ive seen us relegated twice in my time going to Villa Park, both times it was a few years before finally hitting.They were pretty shit on the pitch for sure , I went to most games them days . Jesus that 0-3 v Charlton at Palace etc etc.
I don’t know whether this was influenced by me being a kid of 13 first time round in 86-87 and a bot more naive, but it felt like lots of that team gave more of a shit. Allan Evans, Spinksy, Steve Hunt, Paul Birch, Mark Walters, Garry Thompson, did seem like they cared, they were just badly managed.
The difference now is social media . It didn't exist back then .
Post by: Richard on April 09, 2024, 11:08:36 PM
Agbonlahor, Richards, N'Zogbia, Lescott, Ireland, Bacuna...*shudder*
Agree although Ireland had long since gone before the relegation season.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 09, 2024, 11:17:31 PM
Post by: Chap on April 10, 2024, 07:50:53 AM
I genuinely think Lescott was more just thicker than a whale omelette than genuinely vindictive.Or to use the well known H&V expression - as thick as the thickest of thick pig shit!
Post by: Nev on April 10, 2024, 08:51:32 AM
What a bunch of fucking wankers.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 10, 2024, 12:09:27 PM
https://x.com/bbcsport/status/1777961307481772464?s=46
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 10, 2024, 05:59:48 PM
So when can he expect his P45 from the publicly funded BBC?
Post by: Fingers on April 10, 2024, 08:06:13 PM
Danny Murphy confessing to cocaine addiction when he finished playing, an explanation of sorts on why he regularly talks cobblers then.
Met him in Portugal a few years ago. We were were talking to Luke Young and he came along. After a bit my mate asked him to take a photo of us with Young. Murphy slammed the camera down, said "I'm not a f**king cameraman" and stormed off. Later on he was kicking off at the barman for not putting enough Red Bull into his vodka. Complete ballbag
Post by: rob_bridge on April 10, 2024, 10:46:19 PM
It's good to hear from those responsible for our relegation and how badly they were affected. It's best to keep the thoughts of those who traipsed up and down the country, spending their hard earned cash away from the airwaves isn't it?
What a bunch of fucking wankers.
I will never ever forgive those who should have known better.
Richards.
Gabby and Lescott from Villa supporting families.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 11, 2024, 12:10:30 AM
I haven’t watched it but as it’s got the laughing hyena in it I’m sure it’s full of the usual utter bullshit. He was a disgrace that season and he wasn’t alone.Was it him and Guzan who had the spitting competition that day whilst sat on the bench ? or was that Lescott. Wankers .
Lescott. Richards wasn't doing the pissing about but went up to the fans having a go at the players to say something like "how is this helping?"
I will never, ever not be pissed of with that set of turds.
Yep, if ever there was to be a 'hall of shame' created in the bowels of Villa Park, the pictures of those clowns woukd definitely be adorning the walls. The money we wasted on that shower during that time is sickening really.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 12, 2024, 11:03:13 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68756582
Post by: VillaTim on April 14, 2024, 08:52:46 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 14, 2024, 09:01:05 PM
Post by: VillaTim on April 14, 2024, 09:02:31 PM
I honestly think the scouse match will be on first, simply because as it was today, the narrative was Liverpool lost so can Arsenal take advantage. Which to me if fair enough.Your probably right. I hope then they give us decent credit for the performance.
Post by: Goldenballs on April 14, 2024, 09:18:37 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 14, 2024, 09:25:33 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 14, 2024, 09:37:55 PM
Which gimps will be on tonight? The guffawing clown was on motd1 so hopefully he's not.
Don't care, it's Must See TV tonight.
*It'd be nice if it's Wrighty though.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 14, 2024, 09:42:09 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on April 14, 2024, 09:44:25 PM
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 14, 2024, 09:47:02 PM
Post by: Ian. on April 14, 2024, 09:47:51 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 14, 2024, 09:48:16 PM
Wonder if we will be 1st or 2nd? Im guessing second after the kloppwankfest we have seen recently
The narrative fits second because we played second after Liverpool had shat the bed. For the few who don't know the scores today, if they started with our game and the commentary team starting with "Arsenal just need to win and will be buoyed with that Liverpool loss earlier" and ending with "Citeh will be happy both the challengers have lost today", the other match score is already leaked.
Post by: VillaTim on April 14, 2024, 09:48:39 PM
They must be hastily re-writing the Klopp final season tributes after this week's results.The Netflix series isn't going to plan .
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 14, 2024, 09:49:21 PM
Post by: curiousorange on April 14, 2024, 10:42:34 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 14, 2024, 10:46:27 PM
"Two of the top three in action today", apparently. Never mind the plebs in, erm, fourth.
There are 8 points between us and 3rd, (11 before the match), there are two points between 3rd and 1st. I don't think it is too controversial to refer to the just the three battling for the title.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 14, 2024, 11:07:43 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 14, 2024, 11:10:45 PM
Told you that Shearer would be gushing.👏
Post by: VillaTim on April 14, 2024, 11:17:24 PM
Post by: Villan82 on April 14, 2024, 11:18:00 PM
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on April 14, 2024, 11:38:24 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 14, 2024, 11:39:57 PM
Post by: thick_mike on April 15, 2024, 12:01:57 AM
H and V's favourite actor is doing the Guess the Score this week with Chris Sutton.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68756582
Toby Jones surely?
Post by: Somniloquism on April 15, 2024, 12:20:08 AM
It was all going well until they showed Enckleman. What's that? Only 21 years ago?
It was a compilation of bad keeper mistakes in the prem era so……
Tbh I was expecting to come here to see people raising shearers really poor mention of our name when stating ‘West Ham are probably in their top position of being the best of the rest, apart from Aston Villa”, not seeing an encklemann clip when my first fault on seeing the goalie mistake was it was a bit like it.
Post by: adrenachrome on April 15, 2024, 12:47:58 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2024, 01:09:18 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2024, 01:16:05 AM
6h
Villa the braver team. Great performance. Loads of injuries, midweek games, better than us in everything. Unrecognisable Arsenal in that second half.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 15, 2024, 01:20:28 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 15, 2024, 02:32:08 AM
"Two of the top three in action today", apparently. Never mind the plebs in, erm, fourth.
There are 8 points between us and 3rd, (11 before the match), there are two points between 3rd and 1st. I don't think it is too controversial to refer to the just the three battling for the title.
Still, if they wanted to hype up the show, ‘three of the top four’ sounds better.
Post by: Rory on April 15, 2024, 02:51:41 AM
It was all going well until they showed Enckleman. What's that? Only 21 years ago?
It was a compilation of bad keeper mistakes in the prem era so……
Tbh I was expecting to come here to see people raising shearers really poor mention of our name when stating ‘West Ham are probably in their top position of being the best of the rest, apart from Aston Villa”, not seeing an encklemann clip when my first fault on seeing the goalie mistake was it was a bit like it.
I switched off after I'd seen us, so missed the keeper errors. Was there a bad error today/yesterday?
My Dad hates Shearer, but I always find him very complimentary about us.
Thought the analysis was balanced erring towards generous. They spoke about what we did well and not what Arsenal failed at.
Post by: spangley1812 on April 15, 2024, 07:21:45 AM
It was all going well until they showed Enckleman. What's that? Only 21 years ago?
It was a compilation of bad keeper mistakes in the prem era so……
Tbh I was expecting to come here to see people raising shearers really poor mention of our name when stating ‘West Ham are probably in their top position of being the best of the rest, apart from Aston Villa”, not seeing an encklemann clip when my first fault on seeing the goalie mistake was it was a bit like it.
I switched off after I'd seen us, so missed the keeper errors. Was there a bad error today/yesterday?
My Dad hates Shearer, but I always find him very complimentary about us.
Thought the analysis was balanced erring towards generous. They spoke about what we did well and not what Arsenal failed at.
Really bad error by the Burnley keeper v Brighton on Saturday
Post by: Gerrin on April 15, 2024, 08:12:10 AM
Very kind of Declan Rice to give us absolutely zero credit for beating Arsenal twice this season without conceding. Apparently they should have scored 3 or 4 in each game?
Post by: baddowvillans on April 15, 2024, 08:22:34 AM
"Two of the top three in action today", apparently. Never mind the plebs in, erm, fourth.
I thought exactly the same. Why two out three and not three out of four!
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on April 15, 2024, 08:27:12 AM
Post by: andyh on April 15, 2024, 08:40:33 AM
last night they concentrated on the excellent performances by Palace and us, before they mentioned the impact it had on Liverpool and Arsenal.
Compared to Sky who had an hours discussion on how the world had imploded for Arsenal !!!
Post by: Rory on April 15, 2024, 09:02:55 AM
It was all going well until they showed Enckleman. What's that? Only 21 years ago?
It was a compilation of bad keeper mistakes in the prem era so……
Tbh I was expecting to come here to see people raising shearers really poor mention of our name when stating ‘West Ham are probably in their top position of being the best of the rest, apart from Aston Villa”, not seeing an encklemann clip when my first fault on seeing the goalie mistake was it was a bit like it.
I switched off after I'd seen us, so missed the keeper errors. Was there a bad error today/yesterday?
My Dad hates Shearer, but I always find him very complimentary about us.
Thought the analysis was balanced erring towards generous. They spoke about what we did well and not what Arsenal failed at.
Really bad error by the Burnley keeper v Brighton on Saturday
Thanks.
Post by: lovejoy on April 15, 2024, 09:07:18 AM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 15, 2024, 09:08:42 AM
fair play to MOTD 2
last night they concentrated on the excellent performances by Palace and us, before they mentioned the impact it had on Liverpool and Arsenal.
Compared to Sky who had an hours discussion on how the world had imploded for Arsenal !!!
I was getting dinner ready and the telly didn't then have my full attention, so can anyone clarify whether or not I really did hear the post-match Sky interviewer ask one of OUR players if he thought arsenal would get their season back on track?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 15, 2024, 09:11:00 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 15, 2024, 09:14:08 AM
I was getting dinner ready and the telly didn't then have my full attention, so can anyone clarify whether or not I really did hear the post-match Sky interviewer ask one of OUR players if he thought arsenal would get their season back on track?
I hope his answer was, "Not if they play us every week".
Post by: rob_bridge on April 15, 2024, 09:20:14 AM
I was getting dinner ready and the telly didn't then have my full attention, so can anyone clarify whether or not I really did hear the post-match Sky interviewer ask one of OUR players if he thought arsenal would get their season back on track?
I hope his answer was, "Not if they play us every week".
Yes it was when he veered off asking Emi what he thought about Arsenal (generally) and Ollie being a boyhood fan. Both were understandably complimentary although Ollie looked a little baffled.
Clearly someone spoke in his interviewer's ear and asked him to ask them about Villa
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 15, 2024, 09:35:24 AM
Post by: Rigadon on April 15, 2024, 09:37:35 AM
fair play to MOTD 2
last night they concentrated on the excellent performances by Palace and us, before they mentioned the impact it had on Liverpool and Arsenal.
Compared to Sky who had an hours discussion on how the world had imploded for Arsenal !!!
I was getting dinner ready and the telly didn't then have my full attention, so can anyone clarify whether or not I really did hear the post-match Sky interviewer ask one of OUR players if he thought arsenal would get their season back on track?
That was excruciating, but kind of in keeping with the whole Sky output. It's all about a few teams and it always will be.
Post by: Risso on April 15, 2024, 09:38:14 AM
Post by: Rigadon on April 15, 2024, 10:02:38 AM
"We’ve read and heard numerous paeans to a three-way title race only for Liverpool and Arsenal to hand control to Manchester City, jeopardising a season’s work and legendary denouement in a single afternoon. Nevertheless, on the face of things this represents an improvement: City can end the season on maximum 91 points, far less troubling than the 98-100 recorded by the league-winners between 2017-18 and 2019-20. This is because the Palaces and Villas of this world – along with nearly every team in the division – have various players able to hurt the best, in theory a good thing but in practice possible mainly because those clubs can outbid more storied European rivals for talent, while the champions-elect, champions in six of the last seven seasons, have links to a nation state with human rights issues. So, while no one can dispute the compelling entertainment of it all – Sunday was another fantastic day of Premier League Football™ – the same problems persist, just in slightly different forms."
Peak patronising. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekend-football-action
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2024, 10:16:58 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 15, 2024, 10:26:50 AM
From today's Guardian:
"We’ve read and heard numerous paeans to a three-way title race only for Liverpool and Arsenal to hand control to Manchester City, jeopardising a season’s work and legendary denouement in a single afternoon. Nevertheless, on the face of things this represents an improvement: City can end the season on maximum 91 points, far less troubling than the 98-100 recorded by the league-winners between 2017-18 and 2019-20. This is because the Palaces and Villas of this world – along with nearly every team in the division – have various players able to hurt the best, in theory a good thing but in practice possible mainly because those clubs can outbid more storied European rivals for talent, while the champions-elect, champions in six of the last seven seasons, have links to a nation state with human rights issues. So, while no one can dispute the compelling entertainment of it all – Sunday was another fantastic day of Premier League Football™ – the same problems persist, just in slightly different forms."
Peak patronising. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekend-football-action
I thought there was only one Palace and one Villa when it comes to league football.
So he is bemoaning the fact that the so called also rans can buy and retain good players.
How very dare us
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 15, 2024, 10:27:56 AM
Post by: Risso on April 15, 2024, 10:28:04 AM
From today's Guardian:
"We’ve read and heard numerous paeans to a three-way title race only for Liverpool and Arsenal to hand control to Manchester City, jeopardising a season’s work and legendary denouement in a single afternoon. Nevertheless, on the face of things this represents an improvement: City can end the season on maximum 91 points, far less troubling than the 98-100 recorded by the league-winners between 2017-18 and 2019-20. This is because the Palaces and Villas of this world – along with nearly every team in the division – have various players able to hurt the best, in theory a good thing but in practice possible mainly because those clubs can outbid more storied European rivals for talent, while the champions-elect, champions in six of the last seven seasons, have links to a nation state with human rights issues. So, while no one can dispute the compelling entertainment of it all – Sunday was another fantastic day of Premier League Football™ – the same problems persist, just in slightly different forms."
Peak patronising. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekend-football-action
The Villas and Palaces - twat. Two clubs who you really shouldn't be bracketing together as if they're in any way similar.
Post by: lovejoy on April 15, 2024, 10:42:07 AM
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 15, 2024, 10:46:18 AM
It was all going well until they showed Enckleman. What's that? Only 21 years ago?
It was a compilation of bad keeper mistakes in the prem era so……
Tbh I was expecting to come here to see people raising shearers really poor mention of our name when stating ‘West Ham are probably in their top position of being the best of the rest, apart from Aston Villa”, not seeing an encklemann clip when my first fault on seeing the goalie mistake was it was a bit like it.
I switched off after I'd seen us, so missed the keeper errors. Was there a bad error today/yesterday?
My Dad hates Shearer, but I always find him very complimentary about us.
Thought the analysis was balanced erring towards generous. They spoke about what we did well and not what Arsenal failed at.
Really bad error by the Burnley keeper v Brighton on Saturday
That was a enkleman mark 2. But i still dont get how that enklemen goal stood as it was from a throw on
Post by: Rigadon on April 15, 2024, 10:48:16 AM
Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
This thread is the place where people come to have a bit of a moan about media coverage - maybe you should give it a swerve?
If the tone of the article doesn't get your heckles up a bit, I salute you.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 15, 2024, 10:49:57 AM
Post by: lovejoy on April 15, 2024, 10:53:41 AM
Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
This thread is the place where people come to have a bit of a moan about media coverage - maybe you should give it a swerve?
If the tone of the article doesn't get your heckles up a bit, I salute you.
Fair enough but surely our mentality should be to enjoy the win not have a chip on our shoulders?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 15, 2024, 10:54:19 AM
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2024, 10:56:37 AM
Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
This thread is the place where people come to have a bit of a moan about media coverage - maybe you should give it a swerve?
If the tone of the article doesn't get your heckles up a bit, I salute you.
Fair enough but surely our mentality should be to enjoy the win not have a chip on our shoulders?
There's quite a few people in the comments below the article taking issue with it, because it's ridiculous and ignorant.
Post by: OCD on April 15, 2024, 10:57:03 AM
Because Ellery can see a keeper make a very very fine touch of a ball from the halfway line whilst looking the opposite direction. And also Encklemann was too shit to even make out he hadn't touched it and reacted like he had personally booted it in.
Enckelman probably didn't know the rule.
Post by: Olneythelonely on April 15, 2024, 10:59:01 AM
Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
This thread is the place where people come to have a bit of a moan about media coverage - maybe you should give it a swerve?
If the tone of the article doesn't get your heckles up a bit, I salute you.
Fair enough but surely our mentality should be to enjoy the win not have a chip on our shoulders?
Probably not the place to look for that
Post by: Rigadon on April 15, 2024, 11:01:12 AM
Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
This thread is the place where people come to have a bit of a moan about media coverage - maybe you should give it a swerve?
If the tone of the article doesn't get your heckles up a bit, I salute you.
Fair enough but surely our mentality should be to enjoy the win not have a chip on our shoulders?
Yeah definitely. I think most of us are ecstatic after yesterday - as good a performance and result from any Villa team I've seen.
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2024, 11:19:20 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 15, 2024, 04:10:04 PM
From today's Guardian:
"We’ve read and heard numerous paeans to a three-way title race only for Liverpool and Arsenal to hand control to Manchester City, jeopardising a season’s work and legendary denouement in a single afternoon. Nevertheless, on the face of things this represents an improvement: City can end the season on maximum 91 points, far less troubling than the 98-100 recorded by the league-winners between 2017-18 and 2019-20. This is because the Palaces and Villas of this world – along with nearly every team in the division – have various players able to hurt the best, in theory a good thing but in practice possible mainly because those clubs can outbid more storied European rivals for talent, while the champions-elect, champions in six of the last seven seasons, have links to a nation state with human rights issues. So, while no one can dispute the compelling entertainment of it all – Sunday was another fantastic day of Premier League Football™ – the same problems persist, just in slightly different forms."
Peak patronising. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekend-football-action
The Villas and Palaces - twat. Two clubs who you really shouldn't be bracketing together as if they're in any way similar.
There is a link.... Palace played in Claret and Blue until the 1973...
Post by: PeterWithe on April 15, 2024, 05:04:46 PM
Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
That's the way I read it as well. Isn't he saying that 'slip ups' are more likely to happen in the league than in europe due to the financial strength of all in it.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 15, 2024, 07:28:20 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 15, 2024, 07:31:01 PM
Palace and Villa lumped together, ha.
Should only happen when Princes William and George attend our games.
Post by: ez on April 15, 2024, 07:33:56 PM
Correct. We were only 2 places behind arsenal so it's not actually as a big a shock result as some make out. Alternatively Palace are way behind Liverpool.From today's Guardian:
"We’ve read and heard numerous paeans to a three-way title race only for Liverpool and Arsenal to hand control to Manchester City, jeopardising a season’s work and legendary denouement in a single afternoon. Nevertheless, on the face of things this represents an improvement: City can end the season on maximum 91 points, far less troubling than the 98-100 recorded by the league-winners between 2017-18 and 2019-20. This is because the Palaces and Villas of this world – along with nearly every team in the division – have various players able to hurt the best, in theory a good thing but in practice possible mainly because those clubs can outbid more storied European rivals for talent, while the champions-elect, champions in six of the last seven seasons, have links to a nation state with human rights issues. So, while no one can dispute the compelling entertainment of it all – Sunday was another fantastic day of Premier League Football™ – the same problems persist, just in slightly different forms."
Peak patronising. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/apr/15/premier-league-10-talking-points-from-the-weekend-football-action
The Villas and Palaces - twat. Two clubs who you really shouldn't be bracketing together as if they're in any way similar.
Post by: jon collett on April 15, 2024, 07:38:16 PM
No Club is more storied than Aston Villa!
Post by: IFWaters on April 15, 2024, 07:39:26 PM
When will be known as Royal or Real Villa? Do we have to wait til ole Jugears pops his clogs and will we get a Royal Crest on the Trinity Stand or a new badge?Palace and Villa lumped together, ha.
Should only happen when Princes William and George attend our games.
Post by: Holte132 on April 15, 2024, 07:48:40 PM
'No one seemed to have noticed Bailey lurking at the far post as Lucas Digne’s cross dribbled across the area.'
Maybe because he wasn't lurking at the far post - he ran on to the ball from closer to the edge of the area
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 15, 2024, 09:08:06 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 15, 2024, 09:11:00 PM
Post by: Holte132 on April 15, 2024, 10:43:56 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2024, 08:25:06 PM
Quote
Highlights, reaction and expert analysis from the day’s four Premier League games, including title-chasing Liverpool’s journey to the capital to face Fulham.
The Reds have drawn with Fulham on their last three visits to Craven Cottage in all competitions and will be vying for all three points as Jurgen Klopp attempts to win the Premier League in his last season at the club.
Elsewhere, Everton take on Nottingham Forest in a clash at the bottom end of the table, Unai Emery’s Aston Villa host Andoni Iraola’s Bournemouth, and there's a London derby between Crystal Palace and West Ham United.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 21, 2024, 08:29:00 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2024, 08:32:19 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 21, 2024, 08:34:20 PM
TBH, I would also have put the game with 6 goals above the game with 4 as well but I suppose we shade it being higher up.
7 goals! But it seemed all very routine so us in 4th does edge it. For me at least.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 21, 2024, 08:37:10 PM
Are you deliberately misunderstanding this or are you permanently looking to get angry? It’s a valid point that the strength of the overall division means there are banana skins for all clubs, which is why we look at Sunday vs Bournemouth as a risk.
He put Palace with Villa as we both won yesterday against the title chasers.
Lighten up.
That’s how I read it too. The strength of the league is exceptional but let’s not kid ourselves that the PL has found a clever cheat code. It hasn’t, its just way richer than the other leagues.
Post by: VillaTim on April 21, 2024, 10:09:23 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on April 21, 2024, 10:16:40 PM
In depth preview of the FA Cup semi-final - no argument with that.
Discussion about Offshore Jim running in the London Marathon, when he was expected to finish and how he'd get to Wembley
Japan Grand Prix results and summary report
Everton v Forest preview
Update on Jim's progress
WSL - Arse v Leics match preview
Fulham v Lpool match preview
Another update on Offshore Jim's progress
Announcement that coverage of Palace v Spam and Villa v Bournemouth would be available on digital channels
Goal updates from Bkackburn v Wednesday
Another update on the Ineos tax exile running around London.
Live match cover from Goodison.
Do we exist to the media luvvies?
No mention of us whatsoever.
Post by: VillaTim on April 21, 2024, 10:45:29 PM
MOTD2 tonight - Jagielka Chappers and Voldemort . This isn't ending well.
Post by: VillaTim on April 21, 2024, 10:47:05 PM
Remain calm .
Post by: Rigadon on April 21, 2024, 11:19:28 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 21, 2024, 11:25:14 PM
Ok , Everton on before us .
Remain calm .
I'm that chuffed after today's result, I wouldn't care if we were on last.
We still might be, don't be surprised if Emi's upside down lion makes '2 Good, 2 Bad'.
Post by: papa lazarou on April 21, 2024, 11:27:11 PM
All about Villa after the highlights, never mentioned Bournemouth.
Post by: Rory on April 21, 2024, 11:36:42 PM
Booooooo.....
All about Villa after the highlights, never mentioned Bournemouth.
Yet somehow managed to mention Man City.
Post by: eamonn on April 22, 2024, 12:40:22 AM
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2024, 09:11:27 AM
Post by: artvandelay on April 22, 2024, 09:29:02 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 22, 2024, 09:57:51 AM
MOTD getting our Diaby's name wrong is surely really bad, did nobody pick that up in production?
I know, that was awful.
Post by: Drummond on April 22, 2024, 09:59:04 AM
Whilst there may be a lot of gifted players there, it's because they buy them all. A bit like us really!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 22, 2024, 10:00:20 AM
MOTD getting our Diaby's name wrong is surely really bad, did nobody pick that up in production?
Before you know it, they'll be referring Yuri/Uri Tielemans and Morgan Rodgers.
Post by: VillaTim on April 22, 2024, 10:02:11 AM
I do wonder how they choose people to be the pundits on MOTD, Phil Jagielka was pretty poor I thought. He seemed to have a right sweat on for a start, which doesn't look great on TV.Safe to say he won't be hosting the One Show anytime soon .
Post by: Rotterdam on April 22, 2024, 10:35:58 AM
Morgan Rogers. All down to ‘Pep’ apparently.
...which is quite an achievement considering they bought him from Albion as an u16.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 10:39:27 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 11:39:39 AM
2021 → Lincoln City (loan) 25 (6)
2021–2022 → AFC Bournemouth (loan) 14 (1)
2023 → Blackpool (loan) 20 (1)
2023–2024 Middlesbrough 26 (2)
2024– Aston Villa 9 (2)
Yep played all his football under 'Pep'
Post by: OCD on April 22, 2024, 11:43:53 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 22, 2024, 11:47:12 AM
The bit I saw praised the Man City academy rather than Pep and listed who's playing Premier League football. Doyle at Wolves, McAtee at Sheffield United, Cole Palmer, Phil Foden and Rogers. Quite a few are making it but it still misses the point that they're recruiting the best players from other people's academies.
Well exactly.
To be fair I will watch MOTD2 later. I just know Murphy is a bloody cliched lazy pundit. Lawro replacement.
Post by: eamonn on April 22, 2024, 12:24:51 PM
MOTD getting our Diaby's name wrong is surely really bad, did nobody pick that up in production?
I know, that was awful.
Did she call him Mohammed Diaby?!
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 12:34:48 PM
The bit I saw praised the Man City academy rather than Pep and listed who's playing Premier League football. Doyle at Wolves, McAtee at Sheffield United, Cole Palmer, Phil Foden and Rogers. Quite a few are making it but it still misses the point that they're recruiting the best players from other people's academies.Southampton got relegated last season with some of those so called high flying Man City academy players being recruiting.
Doyle and McAtee are nothing spectacular, and they are on par with those solid footballers of last season but not Rodgers who is next level.
Only Palmer and Foden can be named with any reverence.
Staggering Emery isn’t praised. Funnily enough Rodgers has said Emery calls me a championship player ! It’s a clever attempt to motivate and encourage him and remind him there’s still more needed
Post by: chrisw1 on April 22, 2024, 12:40:51 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 22, 2024, 12:43:38 PM
The bit I saw praised the Man City academy rather than Pep and listed who's playing Premier League football. Doyle at Wolves, McAtee at Sheffield United, Cole Palmer, Phil Foden and Rogers. Quite a few are making it but it still misses the point that they're recruiting the best players from other people's academies.Southampton got relegated last season with some of those so called high flying Man City academy players being recruiting.
Doyle and McAtee are nothing spectacular, and they are on par with those solid footballers of last season but not Rodgers who is next level.
Only Palmer and Foden can be named with any reverence.
Staggering Emery isn’t praised. Funnily enough Rodgers has said Emery calls me a championship player ! It’s a clever attempt to motivate and encourage him and remind him there’s still more needed
I'd put those 2 on a similar level to Archer and AJ Ramsey. Foden is a bit different because he's acouple of years ahead of the rest.
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 22, 2024, 12:46:48 PM
The edit made it look like Bomo were all over us in the first half. Tsk!So you were expecting some degree of impartiality from the BBC tossers!!....
Post by: Smithy on April 22, 2024, 12:52:53 PM
Morgan Rogers is a perfect example, they took from him West Brom when he was 16, and by 18 he was out on loan. Boro bought him at 20 after he's had three loans in two years. I have no doubt Man City had SOME impact on his development, but to describe him as "a product of the Man City academy" is stretching it a bit.
You can criticise Man City for their approach, but I hope it's something we're trying to replicate. We're the biggest club for miles around, and with a huge catchment area we should be hoovering up all the talented kids in a fifty mile radius.
The point being, with as many promising kids as Man City acquire, and first team squad of limited size, it's a statistical certainty that they will sell/lose some very good players along the way. But if they're getting Cole Palmer money for them, I'm sure they'll be delighted. Morgan Rogers money, not so much.
EDIT: Just checked, and it seems Man City paid West Brom £4m for Rogers as a 16-year-old. So technically, they've probably lost money on him, unless they had a big sell-on percentage when they sold him to Boro.
Post by: Dave on April 22, 2024, 12:56:39 PM
But if they're getting Cole Palmer money for them, I'm sure they'll be delighted. Morgan Rogers money, not so much.
I dunno, if we end up paying Boro the full whack (and based on his start, one would assume we will) then Rogers would have generated £5m for Man City (£1m original transfer fee plus 25% of Boro's profit from the sale to us).
That's useful money to receive for someone who had never played a single minute for you.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 12:57:35 PM
Post by: Smithy on April 22, 2024, 01:08:46 PM
But if they're getting Cole Palmer money for them, I'm sure they'll be delighted. Morgan Rogers money, not so much.
I dunno, if we end up paying Boro the full whack (and based on his start, one would assume we will) then Rogers would have generated £5m for Man City (£1m original transfer fee plus 25% of Boro's profit from the sale to us).
That's useful money to receive for someone who had never played a single minute for you.
But they paid West Brom £4m (if the reports at the time are to be believed). Which comes back to my point about him not being a product of their academy. He was a purchased player, who'd already played for the West Brom first team by the time they bought him. They might get their money back on him, I guess?
Post by: robleflaneur on April 22, 2024, 01:19:37 PM
When he moved on loan he refound his freedom to play his natural game.
Someone commented just like Grealish.
Post by: paul_e on April 22, 2024, 01:21:11 PM
It's not a surprise there are ex-Man City youth players plying their trade in the premier league. As others have said, it's the logical conclusion when you go around sweeping up the best 14/15/16 year olds from other academies.
Morgan Rogers is a perfect example, they took from him West Brom when he was 16, and by 18 he was out on loan. Boro bought him at 20 after he's had three loans in two years. I have no doubt Man City had SOME impact on his development, but to describe him as "a product of the Man City academy" is stretching it a bit.
You can criticise Man City for their approach, but I hope it's something we're trying to replicate. We're the biggest club for miles around, and with a huge catchment area we should be hoovering up all the talented kids in a fifty mile radius.
The point being, with as many promising kids as Man City acquire, and first team squad of limited size, it's a statistical certainty that they will sell/lose some very good players along the way. But if they're getting Cole Palmer money for them, I'm sure they'll be delighted. Morgan Rogers money, not so much.
EDIT: Just checked, and it seems Man City paid West Brom £4m for Rogers as a 16-year-old. So technically, they've probably lost money on him, unless they had a big sell-on percentage when they sold him to Boro.
We've already replicated it, loads of players in the U18 and U21 squads joined us when they were well alon the road of their development.
Post by: Pete3206 on April 22, 2024, 01:22:27 PM
I know he's not popular on here, but I think Murphy is a pretty decent pundit and as miserable as he looks he usually gives credit where it's due. Obviously, some researcher had come up with the angle that there are a few ex Man City academy players in the PL and he trotted it out, but I wouldn't really expect a pundit to have detained knowledge of a players youth career. It's a throwaway comment really.
Fair enough. I just think he's a complete wanker.
Post by: VillaTim on April 22, 2024, 01:29:24 PM
Not sure , i tend not to listen to the commentary . I'm not sure where the mistake was or the content .MOTD getting our Diaby's name wrong is surely really bad, did nobody pick that up in production?
I know, that was awful.
Did she call him Mohammed Diaby?!
Post by: Smithy on April 22, 2024, 01:54:32 PM
It's not a surprise there are ex-Man City youth players plying their trade in the premier league. As others have said, it's the logical conclusion when you go around sweeping up the best 14/15/16 year olds from other academies.
Morgan Rogers is a perfect example, they took from him West Brom when he was 16, and by 18 he was out on loan. Boro bought him at 20 after he's had three loans in two years. I have no doubt Man City had SOME impact on his development, but to describe him as "a product of the Man City academy" is stretching it a bit.
You can criticise Man City for their approach, but I hope it's something we're trying to replicate. We're the biggest club for miles around, and with a huge catchment area we should be hoovering up all the talented kids in a fifty mile radius.
The point being, with as many promising kids as Man City acquire, and first team squad of limited size, it's a statistical certainty that they will sell/lose some very good players along the way. But if they're getting Cole Palmer money for them, I'm sure they'll be delighted. Morgan Rogers money, not so much.
EDIT: Just checked, and it seems Man City paid West Brom £4m for Rogers as a 16-year-old. So technically, they've probably lost money on him, unless they had a big sell-on percentage when they sold him to Boro.
We've already replicated it, loads of players in the U18 and U21 squads joined us when they were well alon the road of their development.
Of course, but it's still very early in that journey for us. I think we'll have "replicated it" when there are a few promising 21/22/23 year olds playing in the premier league who either came through our academy, or who spent time in it. Or when every season we're selling one or two youth players for reasonable sums. We've done it pretty well in the last 18-24 months or so, but will that be a one-off? Or will we be selling one or two Chukwuemeka/Archer/Ramsey Jnr/Philogenes each season moving forward? I'd always prefer youth players making it into our first team, but if we're going to have a production line that ends in more player sales than it does players in the 1st team, then let's see it working properly on a regular basis.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 02:05:46 PM
I know he's not popular on here, but I think Murphy is a pretty decent pundit and as miserable as he looks he usually gives credit where it's due. Obviously, some researcher had come up with the angle that there are a few ex Man City academy players in the PL and he trotted it out, but I wouldn't really expect a pundit to have detained knowledge of a players youth career. It's a throwaway comment really.
Which Murphy have you watched? His problem, the same with others of his time is the bias towards the top 4-6 and his / BBC's reliance on playing for Liverpool so that means he knows more about football then others.
Post by: paul_e on April 22, 2024, 02:06:38 PM
It's not a surprise there are ex-Man City youth players plying their trade in the premier league. As others have said, it's the logical conclusion when you go around sweeping up the best 14/15/16 year olds from other academies.
Morgan Rogers is a perfect example, they took from him West Brom when he was 16, and by 18 he was out on loan. Boro bought him at 20 after he's had three loans in two years. I have no doubt Man City had SOME impact on his development, but to describe him as "a product of the Man City academy" is stretching it a bit.
You can criticise Man City for their approach, but I hope it's something we're trying to replicate. We're the biggest club for miles around, and with a huge catchment area we should be hoovering up all the talented kids in a fifty mile radius.
The point being, with as many promising kids as Man City acquire, and first team squad of limited size, it's a statistical certainty that they will sell/lose some very good players along the way. But if they're getting Cole Palmer money for them, I'm sure they'll be delighted. Morgan Rogers money, not so much.
EDIT: Just checked, and it seems Man City paid West Brom £4m for Rogers as a 16-year-old. So technically, they've probably lost money on him, unless they had a big sell-on percentage when they sold him to Boro.
We've already replicated it, loads of players in the U18 and U21 squads joined us when they were well alon the road of their development.
Of course, but it's still very early in that journey for us. I think we'll have "replicated it" when there are a few promising 21/22/23 year olds playing in the premier league who either came through our academy, or who spent time in it. Or when every season we're selling one or two youth players for reasonable sums. We've done it pretty well in the last 18-24 months or so, but will that be a one-off? Or will we be selling one or two Chukwuemeka/Archer/Ramsey Jnr/Philogenes each season moving forward? I'd always prefer youth players making it into our first team, but if we're going to have a production line that ends in more player sales than it does players in the 1st team, then let's see it working properly on a regular basis.
If we have 1 player a season come through from the academy it will have been wildly successful. On that basis if we can also get £20m+ a year by selling the ones that don't quite make it or want to move on then that's funding 1 big summer signing a season, which is a fantastic postion to be in.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 22, 2024, 03:25:02 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 22, 2024, 04:03:54 PM
Think Danny Murphy just hates Aston Villa and any praise is done through gritted teethI know he's not popular on here, but I think Murphy is a pretty decent pundit and as miserable as he looks he usually gives credit where it's due. Obviously, some researcher had come up with the angle that there are a few ex Man City academy players in the PL and he trotted it out, but I wouldn't really expect a pundit to have detained knowledge of a players youth career. It's a throwaway comment really.
Which Murphy have you watched? His problem, the same with others of his time is the bias towards the top 4-6 and his / BBC's reliance on playing for Liverpool so that means he knows more about football then others.
Post by: Risso on April 22, 2024, 05:20:38 PM
Anyone want to take a hit for the team and confirm if they even covered Dalian's Selhurst beauty in the latest top 10's about solo efforts? Warning contains Micah Richards.
I can imagine it now from Richards...."So Dalian Atkinson, hahahahahahahahahahhahahaHAHAHAHAHA, Dalian, receives the ball, RECEIVES THE BALL!!! Hahahahahahahahaha, ohmydays, he receives the ball, and then HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, skips past a few clumsy challenges, and then, breathe Micah, breathe, he sees the keeper off his line. Off his line HAHAHAHAAHAAHA. And then he sort of dinks the ball, over the keeper! The keeper! Hahahahahahaaha, like, he's totally run around half the team and scored a goal! Honestly, you had to be there AHAHAHAHAHAHA! But it doesn't finish there, heheheheheheh, oh no, some bloke with a, oh you're not going to believe this, HAHAHAHAHAHA, some bloke with an umbrella, AN UMBRELLA, ohmydays, runs on....oooooooof, he runs on, and holds it over Dalian HAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA.
Twat.
Post by: mike on April 22, 2024, 05:32:49 PM
Think Danny Murphy just hates Aston Villa and any praise is done through gritted teethI know he's not popular on here, but I think Murphy is a pretty decent pundit and as miserable as he looks he usually gives credit where it's due. Obviously, some researcher had come up with the angle that there are a few ex Man City academy players in the PL and he trotted it out, but I wouldn't really expect a pundit to have detained knowledge of a players youth career. It's a throwaway comment really.
Which Murphy have you watched? His problem, the same with others of his time is the bias towards the top 4-6 and his / BBC's reliance on playing for Liverpool so that means he knows more about football then others.
Channeling Brian Clough, I never criticise MOTD pundits and I’m not going to criticise that useless wanker either
Post by: chrisw1 on April 22, 2024, 05:37:12 PM
I disagree. In my view he's pretty balanced with whoever he's talking about. Appreciate his manner isn't for everyone though.Think Danny Murphy just hates Aston Villa and any praise is done through gritted teethI know he's not popular on here, but I think Murphy is a pretty decent pundit and as miserable as he looks he usually gives credit where it's due. Obviously, some researcher had come up with the angle that there are a few ex Man City academy players in the PL and he trotted it out, but I wouldn't really expect a pundit to have detained knowledge of a players youth career. It's a throwaway comment really.
Which Murphy have you watched? His problem, the same with others of his time is the bias towards the top 4-6 and his / BBC's reliance on playing for Liverpool so that means he knows more about football then others.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 22, 2024, 05:59:46 PM
I disagree. In my view he's pretty balanced with whoever he's talking about. Appreciate his manner isn't for everyone though.Think Danny Murphy just hates Aston Villa and any praise is done through gritted teethI know he's not popular on here, but I think Murphy is a pretty decent pundit and as miserable as he looks he usually gives credit where it's due. Obviously, some researcher had come up with the angle that there are a few ex Man City academy players in the PL and he trotted it out, but I wouldn't really expect a pundit to have detained knowledge of a players youth career. It's a throwaway comment really.
Which Murphy have you watched? His problem, the same with others of his time is the bias towards the top 4-6 and his / BBC's reliance on playing for Liverpool so that means he knows more about football then others.
If I go by what I read on here then all pundits hate us and wish we didn't exist*.
*I suspect most of them couldn't give a shit, like with most teams.
Post by: Richard on April 22, 2024, 06:56:41 PM
Anyone want to take a hit for the team and confirm if they even covered Dalian's Selhurst beauty in the latest top 10's about solo efforts? Warning contains Micah Richards.
Don't be silly! Listened for 5 mins or so to hear the ten that included efforts by amongst others Henry, Son, Payet, Rod Wallace, Le Tissier and even Micah effing Richards himself....but no Dalian.
Post by: AV82EC on April 22, 2024, 08:54:31 PM
Anyone want to take a hit for the team and confirm if they even covered Dalian's Selhurst beauty in the latest top 10's about solo efforts? Warning contains Micah Richards.
I can imagine it now from Richards...."So Dalian Atkinson, hahahahahahahahahahhahahaHAHAHAHAHA, Dalian, receives the ball, RECEIVES THE BALL!!! Hahahahahahahahaha, ohmydays, he receives the ball, and then HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, skips past a few clumsy challenges, and then, breathe Micah, breathe, he sees the keeper off his line. Off his line HAHAHAHAAHAAHA. And then he sort of dinks the ball, over the keeper! The keeper! Hahahahahahaaha, like, he's totally run around half the team and scored a goal! Honestly, you had to be there AHAHAHAHAHAHA! But it doesn't finish there, heheheheheheh, oh no, some bloke with a, oh you're not going to believe this, HAHAHAHAHAHA, some bloke with an umbrella, AN UMBRELLA, ohmydays, runs on....oooooooof, he runs on, and holds it over Dalian HAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHA.
Twat.
Stands and applauds. Superb Risso, superb.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 09:37:44 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 22, 2024, 09:43:22 PM
From next season the BBC will have Champions League highlights with a new Wednesday-night Match of the Day.
Great news, it'll give Tim a chance to moan about our position in the MOTD running order, midweek as well as at weekends.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 22, 2024, 09:44:21 PM
The bit I saw praised the Man City academy rather than Pep and listed who's playing Premier League football. Doyle at Wolves, McAtee at Sheffield United, Cole Palmer, Phil Foden and Rogers. Quite a few are making it but it still misses the point that they're recruiting the best players from other people's academies.Southampton got relegated last season with some of those so called high flying Man City academy players being recruiting.
Doyle and McAtee are nothing spectacular, and they are on par with those solid footballers of last season but not Rodgers who is next level.
Only Palmer and Foden can be named with any reverence.
Staggering Emery isn’t praised. Funnily enough Rodgers has said Emery calls me a championship player ! It’s a clever attempt to motivate and encourage him and remind him there’s still more needed
Why can’t you learn to spell his name? Rogers.
Post by: VillaTim on April 22, 2024, 09:45:40 PM
From next season the BBC will have Champions League highlights with a new Wednesday-night Match of the Day.FFS .
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 22, 2024, 09:57:46 PM
I would also like to see more non English pundits like they do during the international tournaments.
Also /and relevant pundits attributed to the club
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 22, 2024, 11:56:43 PM
Have you listened to him on talksport? earlier in the season he couldn't give us the credit we deserved and basically wrote us a off, it's only recently he give us praise, fortunately we had Simon Jordan in our cornerI disagree. In my view he's pretty balanced with whoever he's talking about. Appreciate his manner isn't for everyone though.Think Danny Murphy just hates Aston Villa and any praise is done through gritted teethI know he's not popular on here, but I think Murphy is a pretty decent pundit and as miserable as he looks he usually gives credit where it's due. Obviously, some researcher had come up with the angle that there are a few ex Man City academy players in the PL and he trotted it out, but I wouldn't really expect a pundit to have detained knowledge of a players youth career. It's a throwaway comment really.
Which Murphy have you watched? His problem, the same with others of his time is the bias towards the top 4-6 and his / BBC's reliance on playing for Liverpool so that means he knows more about football then others.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 23, 2024, 07:10:01 AM
Somebody probably needs to wheel out the clip of Jenas after we beat Spurs away in the autumn. Basically dismissed us completely and said Spurs would finish above us all day long. They are all entitled to an opinion obviously, but the comments were so obviously tinged with Spurs bias from a former player. It wasn’t so much the way he tipped Spurs (fair enough) but he was completely dismissive of us, when at that stage there was already almost 12 months evidence of Emery’s Aston Villa to prove we are the real deal.Have you listened to him on talksport? earlier in the season he couldn't give us the credit we deserved and basically wrote us a off, it's only recently he give us praise, fortunately we had Simon Jordan in our cornerI disagree. In my view he's pretty balanced with whoever he's talking about. Appreciate his manner isn't for everyone though.Think Danny Murphy just hates Aston Villa and any praise is done through gritted teethI know he's not popular on here, but I think Murphy is a pretty decent pundit and as miserable as he looks he usually gives credit where it's due. Obviously, some researcher had come up with the angle that there are a few ex Man City academy players in the PL and he trotted it out, but I wouldn't really expect a pundit to have detained knowledge of a players youth career. It's a throwaway comment really.
Which Murphy have you watched? His problem, the same with others of his time is the bias towards the top 4-6 and his / BBC's reliance on playing for Liverpool so that means he knows more about football then others.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 23, 2024, 07:34:31 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 23, 2024, 08:40:09 AM
From next season the BBC will have Champions League highlights with a new Wednesday-night Match of the Day.
Great news, it'll give Tim a chance to moan about our position in the MOTD running order, midweek as well as at weekends.
Cannot believe they showed the Bodo Glimst match before ours.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 24, 2024, 10:01:13 PM
Post by: VillaTim on April 28, 2024, 10:49:52 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 28, 2024, 10:50:34 PM
Despite getting Twatted it's a Credit to Spurs special on MOTD2 tonight .
On first as well.
Post by: VillaTim on April 28, 2024, 10:55:53 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 10:56:39 PM
Post by: VillaTim on April 28, 2024, 11:05:25 PM
3-2 isn't exactly a twatting.They got twatted bar 2 gifts.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 28, 2024, 11:07:30 PM
Post by: The Edge on April 29, 2024, 01:51:57 PM
Didn't do their GD as much damage as it looked like at half time, shame.We have 3 games to go and we gained one more point on Spurs and one more goal on our goal difference. It's now in our own hands.I'll take that.
Post by: LeeB on April 29, 2024, 01:56:14 PM
3-2 isn't exactly a twatting.They got twatted bar 2 gifts.
Yes they were shite and were never getting back into it without those ridiculous presents.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 29, 2024, 04:26:39 PM
Does that mean we can say Brentford were twatted in the match against us?
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 29, 2024, 06:58:59 PM
Page 6 of the Morgan Rogers thread quotes an interview he gave.Basically,he states that the Citeh move set his career back because it's "the most structured club in the league" and that he became "a mannequin".absolutely this. All credit to Cole Palmer for moving on for that same reason, his career is the polar opposite of Jacks who basically now seems to accept being a squad player and a player who is just a water carrier (Ginola's words i believe) compared to the flair player he once was.
When he moved on loan he refound his freedom to play his natural game.
Someone commented just like Grealish.
Post by: danno on April 29, 2024, 07:03:54 PM
Page 6 of the Morgan Rogers thread quotes an interview he gave.Basically,he states that the Citeh move set his career back because it's "the most structured club in the league" and that he became "a mannequin".absolutely this. All credit to Cole Palmer for moving on for that same reason, his career is the polar opposite of Jacks who basically now seems to accept being a squad player and a player who is just a water carrier (Ginola's words i believe) compared to the flair player he once was.
When he moved on loan he refound his freedom to play his natural game.
Someone commented just like Grealish.
Cantona talking about Deschamps.
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 29, 2024, 07:32:05 PM
i knew Didier was involved somewhere.Page 6 of the Morgan Rogers thread quotes an interview he gave.Basically,he states that the Citeh move set his career back because it's "the most structured club in the league" and that he became "a mannequin".absolutely this. All credit to Cole Palmer for moving on for that same reason, his career is the polar opposite of Jacks who basically now seems to accept being a squad player and a player who is just a water carrier (Ginola's words i believe) compared to the flair player he once was.
When he moved on loan he refound his freedom to play his natural game.
Someone commented just like Grealish.
Cantona talking about Deschamps.
Post by: VillaTim on May 05, 2024, 11:14:08 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 05, 2024, 11:19:10 PM
A match with 5 goals, a match with 6 goals, but you want the match with 1 in it on before them?
Post by: Louzie0 on May 05, 2024, 11:32:09 PM
OK, It’s a bit touch and go if we draw
So,.
Give yourself a break. My Mum (90) chooses which MOTDs she watches, and more recently so have I!
Post by: VillaTim on May 05, 2024, 11:57:56 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 06, 2024, 12:47:30 AM
Post by: The Edge on May 06, 2024, 01:58:01 AM
Murphy was actually sound to us tonight. Believed the challlenge on Rogers was more of a penalty than the one Brighton got.I was glad he said that. I've been sticking to my guns on here that I didn't think that was a penalty to Brighton. If it wasn't given I don't think var would of intervened. Of the other games Arse and Man City were both given a helping hand with very dubious penalties. As for the order in which they were on anyone getting the hump because we were on third when there were two other games with 6 goals a-piece needs to give their head a wobble.
Post by: Rory on May 06, 2024, 02:05:10 AM
I never watch MOTD if the Villa have lost their match.
Same. Not sure what the interest would be. Even when we win, I switch off after I've seen us, unless something very funny has happened elsewhere.
Post by: pablo_picasso on May 06, 2024, 10:56:41 AM
Last on MOTD . Again.
It was a shit game...
Post by: OCD on May 06, 2024, 11:13:38 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 06, 2024, 05:46:03 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 06, 2024, 08:38:38 PM
Post by: The Edge on May 06, 2024, 08:58:48 PM
Not MOTD, but the Monday Night Club discussing 'the race for top 4'. They spent 15 mins talking about Spurs and Big Ange, followed by 10-15 mins on Chelsea and Poch. You see, if their form had improved sooner, they'd have been in contention for top 4 as well. No mention of Villa or Unai.It's a joke how much BBC ignore not just us but also the wider WM. I used to love watching Football Focus on a Saturday lunchtime now I can't stand watching it. They invariably blab on and on about Man U,Liverpool,Man City, Arsenal , Spurs and Chelsea. They play lip service to us and its got a lot worse now Arsrnal fan Alex Scott is host and a large portion is taken up with women's football. No problem with that per say but why don't they have an extra show just for them.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 06, 2024, 09:24:43 PM
Post by: The Edge on May 06, 2024, 09:31:46 PM
I wish I had your problems.Why's that?
Post by: rob_bridge on May 06, 2024, 09:34:32 PM
Not MOTD, but the Monday Night Club discussing 'the race for top 4'. They spent 15 mins talking about Spurs and Big Ange, followed by 10-15 mins on Chelsea and Poch. You see, if their form had improved sooner, they'd have been in contention for top 4 as well. No mention of Villa or Unai.It's a joke how much BBC ignore not just us but also the wider WM. I used to love watching Football Focus on a Saturday lunchtime now I can't stand watching it. They invariably blab on and on about Man U,Liverpool,Man City, Arsenal , Spurs and Chelsea. They play lip service to us and its got a lot worse now Arsrnal fan Alex Scott is host and a large portion is taken up with women's football. No problem with that per say but why don't they have an extra show just for them.
I listen to this regularly when Richards isn't on.
The producer is a very suoerstitious Villa fan so doesn't like them talking about Villa.
Doesn't account for other programs
Post by: Pat McMahon on May 06, 2024, 10:08:16 PM
Not MOTD, but the Monday Night Club discussing 'the race for top 4'. They spent 15 mins talking about Spurs and Big Ange, followed by 10-15 mins on Chelsea and Poch. You see, if their form had improved sooner, they'd have been in contention for top 4 as well. No mention of Villa or Unai.It's a joke how much BBC ignore not just us but also the wider WM. I used to love watching Football Focus on a Saturday lunchtime now I can't stand watching it. They invariably blab on and on about Man U,Liverpool,Man City, Arsenal , Spurs and Chelsea. They play lip service to us and its got a lot worse now Arsrnal fan Alex Scott is host and a large portion is taken up with women's football. No problem with that per say but why don't they have an extra show just for them.
I listen to this regularly when Richards isn't on.
The producer is a very suoerstitious Villa fan so doesn't like them talking about Villa.
Doesn't account for other programs
I’ve heard Chapman mention that superstitious producer before but to talk about the race for 4th and only jabber on about Spurs was somewhat strange. I would think we are the more interesting of the two given we are still playing on two fronts ( obviously we are always more interesting than Spurs full stop).
I don’t imagine they would cover the boat race and only discuss one of the two crews.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 06, 2024, 10:21:56 PM
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on May 06, 2024, 10:41:22 PM
Not MOTD, but the Monday Night Club discussing 'the race for top 4'. They spent 15 mins talking about Spurs and Big Ange, followed by 10-15 mins on Chelsea and Poch. You see, if their form had improved sooner, they'd have been in contention for top 4 as well. No mention of Villa or Unai.
I was listening to this on my walk home - they'd even built it up by saying they'd be talking about Villa and Spurs and the battle for 4th - only to then just discuss Spurs' recent failings and the excuses for them - injuries, losing Kane at the start of the season, players not adapting to "Ange's" system.
I think someone mentioned that we were limping over the line...
Post by: The Edge on May 06, 2024, 10:46:55 PM
Strange superstition. If that were me I'd want to promote villa stories.Not MOTD, but the Monday Night Club discussing 'the race for top 4'. They spent 15 mins talking about Spurs and Big Ange, followed by 10-15 mins on Chelsea and Poch. You see, if their form had improved sooner, they'd have been in contention for top 4 as well. No mention of Villa or Unai.It's a joke how much BBC ignore not just us but also the wider WM. I used to love watching Football Focus on a Saturday lunchtime now I can't stand watching it. They invariably blab on and on about Man U,Liverpool,Man City, Arsenal , Spurs and Chelsea. They play lip service to us and its got a lot worse now Arsrnal fan Alex Scott is host and a large portion is taken up with women's football. No problem with that per say but why don't they have an extra show just for them.
I listen to this regularly when Richards isn't on.
The producer is a very suoerstitious Villa fan so doesn't like them talking about Villa.
Doesn't account for other programs
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 06, 2024, 10:50:44 PM
Post by: The Edge on May 06, 2024, 11:01:12 PM
No I can understand it whenever we go high profile it has tended to turn to shite. As far back as 1990 as an example. Big feature on us on FF only to be followed by the 0-3 at home to Wimbledon.Maybe he's got a point.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 06, 2024, 11:01:15 PM
Not MOTD, but the Monday Night Club discussing 'the race for top 4'. They spent 15 mins talking about Spurs and Big Ange, followed by 10-15 mins on Chelsea and Poch. You see, if their form had improved sooner, they'd have been in contention for top 4 as well. No mention of Villa or Unai.
I was listening to this on my walk home - they'd even built it up by saying they'd be talking about Villa and Spurs and the battle for 4th - only to then just discuss Spurs' recent failings and the excuses for them - injuries, losing Kane at the start of the season, players not adapting to "Ange's" system.
I think someone mentioned that we were limping over the line...
Yeah, it was pretty ridiculous given the build-up.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2024, 10:08:15 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on May 07, 2024, 10:24:59 AM
Not MOTD, but worth reiterating given that there are divs like Joey Barton spouting utter nonsense out there, Lucy Ward is exceptionally good as a summariser and pundit. She knows the game from her coaching career and she clearly does her research and knows about the teams she’s covering.
Yes, she is fantastic every time I hear her.
From a Villa perspective, she is one of the very few who has recognised & made the effort to comment on our injury situation.
At times, having to repeat herself to the div sitting next to her who completely ignored her.
Post by: VillaTim on May 07, 2024, 10:38:01 AM
Not MOTD, but the Monday Night Club discussing 'the race for top 4'. They spent 15 mins talking about Spurs and Big Ange, followed by 10-15 mins on Chelsea and Poch. You see, if their form had improved sooner, they'd have been in contention for top 4 as well. No mention of Villa or Unai.That's the BBC for you .
Post by: rob_bridge on May 07, 2024, 01:53:59 PM
If that's true about the producer, that's utterly bizarre. Doesn't sound like that individual is being professional quite frankly.
Superstitions are bizarre.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 07, 2024, 01:59:45 PM
Not MOTD, but worth reiterating given that there are divs like Joey Barton spouting utter nonsense out there, Lucy Ward is exceptionally good as a summariser and pundit. She knows the game from her coaching career and she clearly does her research and knows about the teams she’s covering.
Her name popped up trending on twitter during the Champs League matches. Most were negative she was on. Mostly her voice which I don't seem to mind. I expect most were Joey Barton supporters though.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 07, 2024, 02:02:27 PM
Not MOTD, but worth reiterating given that there are divs like Joey Barton spouting utter nonsense out there, Lucy Ward is exceptionally good as a summariser and pundit. She knows the game from her coaching career and she clearly does her research and knows about the teams she’s covering.
Her name popped up trending on twitter during the Champs League matches. Most were negative she was on. Mostly her voice which I don't seem to mind. I expect most were Joey Barton supporters though.
I suspect they are, clearly idiots. She’s very good, very knowledgeable, and clearly has great experience and knowledge from working in the game. Funnily enough heard her on the Guardian Football Weekly podcast this morning and she was talking about Villa and our injuries.
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2024, 03:46:57 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 07, 2024, 03:51:20 PM
Post by: The Edge on May 07, 2024, 05:59:57 PM
Not MOTD, but worth reiterating given that there are divs like Joey Barton spouting utter nonsense out there, Lucy Ward is exceptionally good as a summariser and pundit. She knows the game from her coaching career and she clearly does her research and knows about the teams she’s covering.Agreed. She's an excellent pundit.
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 09, 2024, 12:58:30 AM
Roberto De Zerbi was very generous in his comments about our team and manager and Danny Murphy went out of his way to highlight the injuries and depleted levels of energy in the squad.
Post by: adrenachrome on May 09, 2024, 02:46:59 AM
Not MOTD, but worth reiterating given that there are divs like Joey Barton spouting utter nonsense out there, Lucy Ward is exceptionally good as a summariser and pundit. She knows the game from her coaching career and she clearly does her research and knows about the teams she’s covering.Agreed. She's an excellent pundit.
Karen Carney is very good as well.
Don't know what channel she is on, there is so much TV football these days.
Post by: IFWaters on May 09, 2024, 07:24:33 AM
She's brilliant, really knows her stuff and does her research. How good would she be on MOTD instead of gurning Micah. Still, it's all about the #bantz.Not MOTD, but worth reiterating given that there are divs like Joey Barton spouting utter nonsense out there, Lucy Ward is exceptionally good as a summariser and pundit. She knows the game from her coaching career and she clearly does her research and knows about the teams she’s covering.
Yes, she is fantastic every time I hear her.
From a Villa perspective, she is one of the very few who has recognised & made the effort to comment on our injury situation.
At times, having to repeat herself to the div sitting next to her who completely ignored her.
Post by: cdward on May 09, 2024, 07:58:43 AM
Karen Carney is good, love listening to a real Brummie accent on TV. She's a Bluenose and will often comment that she is one when referencing Villa, but never in a bad way. She knows her football, can read the game well and gives praise and criticism fairly.Not MOTD, but worth reiterating given that there are divs like Joey Barton spouting utter nonsense out there, Lucy Ward is exceptionally good as a summariser and pundit. She knows the game from her coaching career and she clearly does her research and knows about the teams she’s covering.Agreed. She's an excellent pundit.
Karen Carney is very good as well.
Don't know what channel she is on, there is so much TV football these days.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 14, 2024, 04:42:20 PM
Quote
Jhon Duran (Aston Villa): Well it couldn't have been a worst start for Aston Villa as Emiliano Martinez, who's had an excellent season between the sticks, drops a clanger with the game barely a minute old. From then on it was all Liverpool.
Post by: martin o`who?? on May 14, 2024, 05:08:20 PM
Garth Crooks earning his crust again with his sharp interpretation of the game.sharp as a banana that lad - apart from the fact he's got his vocal chords where his Sphincter is supposed to be.QuoteJhon Duran (Aston Villa): Well it couldn't have been a worst start for Aston Villa as Emiliano Martinez, who's had an excellent season between the sticks, drops a clanger with the game barely a minute old. From then on it was all Liverpool.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 13, 2024, 03:33:40 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cn5r72k2z44o
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2024, 04:11:18 PM
No more Crooks of the Matter,
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cn5r72k2z44o
Fucking hell.
Post by: eamonn on August 13, 2024, 04:32:20 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 13, 2024, 05:58:46 PM
Post by: danno on August 13, 2024, 06:12:35 PM
He can't be worse than Garth.
Garth to my knowledge hasn’t recently told a referee he’d like to “punch his head in”.
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/13057651/deeney-threatened-to-punch-match-official-before-calling-them-a-weasel
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 13, 2024, 06:17:06 PM
He can't be worse than Garth.
Garth to my knowledge hasn’t recently told a referee he’d like to “punch his head in”.
He's probably heard it a few times though.
Post by: danno on August 13, 2024, 06:18:01 PM
He can't be worse than Garth.
Garth to my knowledge hasn’t recently told a referee he’d like to “punch his head in”.
He's probably heard it a few times though.
Ok so I wrote him a few hundred threatening letters, but that’s all!
Post by: Chap on August 13, 2024, 07:24:20 PM
He can't be worse than Garth.Hmm, he did refer to Garth as a legend!
Post by: VillaTim on August 13, 2024, 08:11:43 PM
No more Crooks of the Matter,FFS . Evolution in reverse
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cn5r72k2z44o
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 13, 2024, 11:08:55 PM
He can't be worse than Garth.Hmm, he did refer to Garth as a legend!
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he accidentally missed out 'ary twat'.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 14, 2024, 08:18:10 AM
Post by: Chap on August 14, 2024, 08:33:45 AM
👍😄He can't be worse than Garth.Hmm, he did refer to Garth as a legend!
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that he accidentally missed out 'ary twat'.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 14, 2024, 01:01:32 PM
"This is how i will pick my team" basically anyone who does it over the Vile.
A cockend thug of the highest order
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 14, 2024, 01:27:54 PM
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 16, 2024, 06:06:13 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/videos/cjw327yqjlyo
Post by: Somniloquism on August 17, 2024, 10:42:38 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on August 17, 2024, 10:45:26 PM
There’s no risk of overexposure of the Villa on the BBC, is there.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2024, 10:48:26 PM
Footage of Dyche on the sidelines after the goal was disallowed; he wouldn't have been out of place in the crowd outside a hotel the other week.
That’s a bit much isn’t it?
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 17, 2024, 11:10:30 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 17, 2024, 11:12:56 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 17, 2024, 11:30:41 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 17, 2024, 11:43:52 PM
Thanks for the incredible coverage.
First game in, and I'm already sick of them bigging us up.
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on August 17, 2024, 11:57:27 PM
Post by: KevinGage on August 18, 2024, 12:36:33 AM
But seeing Sheeran laughing and joking in the corporates there on MOTD I hope they go down with the lowest ever points total and zero home wins.
Post by: danno on August 18, 2024, 09:47:47 AM
Indifferent at best to Ipswich usually. Though hope Axel does well this season.
But seeing Sheeran laughing and joking in the corporates there on MOTD I hope they go down with the lowest ever points total and zero home wins.
You hope Ipswich go down because Alan Shearer was at the game?
Post by: Somniloquism on August 18, 2024, 10:41:46 AM
Post by: Accent Guy on August 19, 2024, 05:06:46 AM
:(
Good evenin', wasss appnin', Birminun etc. She's thick as mince.
When did speaking properly become redundant as a requirement for being a BBC presenter? Pundits yeah, they've never been the brightest, but there should be a standard for a presenter and she falls way below what I would expect from someone anchoring a show.
Also, if you thought our non VAR decision was bad, have a look at the Palace "goal'. Eze scores a worldie from a FK but as the ball is about to hit the net, the ref blows his whistle for a supposed foul on the edge of the box. There was no foul and VAR would have ruled the goal was fine but the ref had already blown his whistle a split second before the ball hit the net so VAR can't get involved.
Absolute farce.
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2024, 08:57:31 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on August 19, 2024, 09:14:33 AM
Also, if you thought our non VAR decision was bad, have a look at the Palace "goal'. Eze scores a worldie from a FK but as the ball is about to hit the net, the ref blows his whistle for a supposed foul on the edge of the box. There was no foul and VAR would have ruled the goal was fine but the ref had already blown his whistle a split second before the ball hit the net so VAR can't get involved.
Absolute farce.
Ref was looking for the fouling and blew well before the ball hit the net when he perceived some had happened. As far as he knew, it was a cross or the keeper would have got it. You are correct it wasn't a foul as such but he is also recently promoted so would have been used to calling things on the fly rather then giving a VAR cushion. It will be a learning experience.
Post by: VillaTim on August 19, 2024, 10:32:44 AM
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2024, 10:37:56 AM
Post by: Holte132 on August 19, 2024, 10:55:05 AM
Indifferent at best to Ipswich usually. Though hope Axel does well this season.
But seeing Sheeran laughing and joking in the corporates there on MOTD I hope they go down with the lowest ever points total and zero home wins.
You hope Ipswich go down because Alan Shearer was at the game?
Ed Sheeran
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2024, 10:56:38 AM
Last on MOTD2
Some achievement that - we go from 4th to 9th in 24 hours and only 2 games happened in between.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 19, 2024, 11:28:35 AM
Last on MOTD2
Some achievement that - we go from 4th to 9th in 24 hours and only 2 games happened in between.
Still had time for Danny Murphy to discuss Liverpool. Not to mention this headline. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cn02gdl9wyvo
Post by: andyh on August 19, 2024, 11:33:03 AM
Watching MOTD 2, Alex Scott is an appalling host.I'm not mad keen on her, but I fail to see why her accent makes her 'thick as mince'
:(
Good evenin', wasss appnin', Birminun etc. She's thick as mince.
When did speaking properly become redundant as a requirement for being a BBC presenter? Pundits yeah, they've never been the brightest, but there should be a standard for a presenter and she falls way below what I would expect from someone anchoring a show.
Also, if you thought our non VAR decision was bad, have a look at the Palace "goal'. Eze scores a worldie from a FK but as the ball is about to hit the net, the ref blows his whistle for a supposed foul on the edge of the box. There was no foul and VAR would have ruled the goal was fine but the ref had already blown his whistle a split second before the ball hit the net so VAR can't get involved.
Absolute farce.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 19, 2024, 11:37:02 AM
Last on MOTD2
Some achievement that - we go from 4th to 9th in 24 hours and only 2 games happened in between.
Still had time for Danny Murphy to discuss Liverpool. Not to mention this headline. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cn02gdl9wyvo
Liverpool were gash first half. 2nd, Ipswich ran out of steam understandably and it was a comfortable win. Breathtaking, it certainly wasn't.
Post by: VillaTim on August 19, 2024, 11:53:43 AM
The TNT weekend wrap review of our game was equally shocking. Focused on the West Ham pen and how the officials got it spot on, then 5 minutes on how West Ham will be fine this season. Not a mention of us.Last on MOTD2
Some achievement that - we go from 4th to 9th in 24 hours and only 2 games happened in between.
Post by: Accent Guy on August 19, 2024, 11:58:28 AM
Watching MOTD 2, Alex Scott is an appalling host.I'm not mad keen on her, but I fail to see why her accent makes her 'thick as mince'
:(
Good evenin', wasss appnin', Birminun etc. She's thick as mince.
When did speaking properly become redundant as a requirement for being a BBC presenter? Pundits yeah, they've never been the brightest, but there should be a standard for a presenter and she falls way below what I would expect from someone anchoring a show.
Also, if you thought our non VAR decision was bad, have a look at the Palace "goal'. Eze scores a worldie from a FK but as the ball is about to hit the net, the ref blows his whistle for a supposed foul on the edge of the box. There was no foul and VAR would have ruled the goal was fine but the ref had already blown his whistle a split second before the ball hit the net so VAR can't get involved.
Absolute farce.
It's not her accent that makes her thick as mince, her accent is terrible for a presenter though.
She is thick as mince based on everything I've ever heard her say. The accent just makes her nonsense sound worse.
Post by: simon ward 50 on August 19, 2024, 11:58:52 AM
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2024, 12:02:53 PM
Still had time for Danny Murphy to discuss Liverpool. Not to mention this headline. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cn02gdl9wyvo
Yes, well done for beating newly-promoted Ipswich Town. A monumental result like that deserves its own flag, at the very least.
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 19, 2024, 12:23:36 PM
Watching MOTD 2, Alex Scott is an appalling host.I'm not mad keen on her, but I fail to see why her accent makes her 'thick as mince'
:(
Good evenin', wasss appnin', Birminun etc. She's thick as mince.
When did speaking properly become redundant as a requirement for being a BBC presenter? Pundits yeah, they've never been the brightest, but there should be a standard for a presenter and she falls way below what I would expect from someone anchoring a show.
Also, if you thought our non VAR decision was bad, have a look at the Palace "goal'. Eze scores a worldie from a FK but as the ball is about to hit the net, the ref blows his whistle for a supposed foul on the edge of the box. There was no foul and VAR would have ruled the goal was fine but the ref had already blown his whistle a split second before the ball hit the net so VAR can't get involved.
Absolute farce.
It's not her accent that makes her thick as mince, her accent is terrible for a presenter though.
She is thick as mince based on everything I've ever heard her say. The accent just makes her nonsense sound worse.
You did actually reference speaking properly for a BBC presenter, how thoroughly patronising. I dont care either way about Alex Scott, I absolutely have idea of her level of intelligence and I would guess nor do you, but you clearly are basing your assumptions on her accent.
I have met plenty of people in my working life that make assumptions about my level of intelligence based seemingly on my strong brummie accent. If I can be arsed to slip in to the conversation I have a PhD, without fail, the attitude changes. What plums people are, making judgements on others in this way.
Post by: andyh on August 19, 2024, 12:24:49 PM
Think you better be careful, what with those new misogyny laws on the horizonWatching MOTD 2, Alex Scott is an appalling host.I'm not mad keen on her, but I fail to see why her accent makes her 'thick as mince'
:(
Good evenin', wasss appnin', Birminun etc. She's thick as mince.
When did speaking properly become redundant as a requirement for being a BBC presenter? Pundits yeah, they've never been the brightest, but there should be a standard for a presenter and she falls way below what I would expect from someone anchoring a show.
Also, if you thought our non VAR decision was bad, have a look at the Palace "goal'. Eze scores a worldie from a FK but as the ball is about to hit the net, the ref blows his whistle for a supposed foul on the edge of the box. There was no foul and VAR would have ruled the goal was fine but the ref had already blown his whistle a split second before the ball hit the net so VAR can't get involved.
Absolute farce.
It's not her accent that makes her thick as mince, her accent is terrible for a presenter though.
She is thick as mince based on everything I've ever heard her say. The accent just makes her nonsense sound worse.
Post by: Bad English on August 19, 2024, 12:25:59 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 19, 2024, 12:32:04 PM
I have met plenty of people in my working life that make assumptions about my level of intelligence based seemingly on my strong brummie accent. If I can be arsed to slip in to the conversation I have a PhD, without fail, the attitude changes. What plums people are, making judgements on others in this way.
**applause**
Post by: Accent Guy on August 19, 2024, 12:52:45 PM
Watching MOTD 2, Alex Scott is an appalling host.I'm not mad keen on her, but I fail to see why her accent makes her 'thick as mince'
:(
Good evenin', wasss appnin', Birminun etc. She's thick as mince.
When did speaking properly become redundant as a requirement for being a BBC presenter? Pundits yeah, they've never been the brightest, but there should be a standard for a presenter and she falls way below what I would expect from someone anchoring a show.
Also, if you thought our non VAR decision was bad, have a look at the Palace "goal'. Eze scores a worldie from a FK but as the ball is about to hit the net, the ref blows his whistle for a supposed foul on the edge of the box. There was no foul and VAR would have ruled the goal was fine but the ref had already blown his whistle a split second before the ball hit the net so VAR can't get involved.
Absolute farce.
It's not her accent that makes her thick as mince, her accent is terrible for a presenter though.
She is thick as mince based on everything I've ever heard her say. The accent just makes her nonsense sound worse.
You did actually reference speaking properly for a BBC presenter, how thoroughly patronising. I dont care either way about Alex Scott, I absolutely have idea of her level of intelligence and I would guess nor do you, but you clearly are basing your assumptions on her accent.
I have met plenty of people in my working life that make assumptions about my level of intelligence based seemingly on my strong brummie accent. If I can be arsed to slip in to the conversation I have a PhD, without fail, the attitude changes. What plums people are, making judgements on others in this way.
I am not judging her intelligence on the way she speaks and I've said that twice now!
I judge her intelligence on WHAT she says.
The second thing is that her accent grates on me and I don't think it's good enough for a BBC presenter to speak so poorly.
I am not saying that she is thick BECAUSE of her accent. Do you understand that now?
Post by: Accent Guy on August 19, 2024, 12:54:14 PM
Think you better be careful, what with those new misogyny laws on the horizonWatching MOTD 2, Alex Scott is an appalling host.I'm not mad keen on her, but I fail to see why her accent makes her 'thick as mince'
:(
Good evenin', wasss appnin', Birminun etc. She's thick as mince.
When did speaking properly become redundant as a requirement for being a BBC presenter? Pundits yeah, they've never been the brightest, but there should be a standard for a presenter and she falls way below what I would expect from someone anchoring a show.
Also, if you thought our non VAR decision was bad, have a look at the Palace "goal'. Eze scores a worldie from a FK but as the ball is about to hit the net, the ref blows his whistle for a supposed foul on the edge of the box. There was no foul and VAR would have ruled the goal was fine but the ref had already blown his whistle a split second before the ball hit the net so VAR can't get involved.
Absolute farce.
It's not her accent that makes her thick as mince, her accent is terrible for a presenter though.
She is thick as mince based on everything I've ever heard her say. The accent just makes her nonsense sound worse.
At no point did I ever mention the fact she is a woman.
Are you suggesting that you cannot criticise someone who happens to be female even though it has nothing to do with it?
I'd say that's a rather sexist thing to suggest if so. How ironic.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 19, 2024, 01:05:08 PM
Post by: Accent Guy on August 19, 2024, 01:09:44 PM
Joe Cole does it for example and gets pelters for it on here.
Fine. I think she is a poor broadcaster and not up to the job. And not because of the way she speaks. (Tho I still find it annoying)
I hope that's cleared that up now and we can move on.
Post by: Bad English on August 19, 2024, 01:11:43 PM
Post by: Accent Guy on August 19, 2024, 01:14:08 PM
Anyone writing 'tho' should not really comment on other people's language though. ;-)
Ha. It's an abbreviation tbf.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2024, 01:16:06 PM
I've heard plenty of people on this very forum complain about people saying Birminun etc... it's infuriating. But seemingly because it's a woman, everyone is jumping to her defence.
Joe Cole does it for example and gets pelters for it on here.
Fine. I think she is a poor broadcaster and not up to the job. And not because of the way she speaks. (Tho I still find it annoying)
I hope that's cleared that up now and we can move on.
Did your annoyance at unacceptable accents lead you to choose Accent Guy as your user name?
Post by: Bad English on August 19, 2024, 01:17:59 PM
Post by: Accent Guy on August 19, 2024, 01:19:18 PM
I've heard plenty of people on this very forum complain about people saying Birminun etc... it's infuriating. But seemingly because it's a woman, everyone is jumping to her defence.
Joe Cole does it for example and gets pelters for it on here.
Fine. I think she is a poor broadcaster and not up to the job. And not because of the way she speaks. (Tho I still find it annoying)
I hope that's cleared that up now and we can move on.
Did your annoyance at unacceptable accents lead you to choose Accent Guy as your user name?
Haha. No actually it's because I'm an impressionist.
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2024, 01:25:06 PM
It’s a bit rum to mention her accent though. Most of the people using this forum will have faced prejudice about their regional accent (more than people from most other areas). It’s not helpful to judge people on something so unimportant.
And most people on this forum will probably have taken the piss out of people from Liverpool, Manchester and London for their accents at some point or another.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 19, 2024, 01:26:49 PM
Haha. No actually it's because I'm an impressionist.
What's the toughest accent to do?
Post by: VillaTim on August 19, 2024, 01:27:10 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 19, 2024, 01:29:20 PM
It’s a bit rum to mention her accent though. Most of the people using this forum will have faced prejudice about their regional accent (more than people from most other areas). It’s not helpful to judge people on something so unimportant.
And most people on this forum will probably have taken the piss out of people from Liverpool, Manchester and London for their accents at some point or another.
It’s a bit rum to mention her accent though. Most of the people using this forum will have faced prejudice about their regional accent (more than people from most other areas). It’s not helpful to judge people on something so unimportant.
And most people on this forum will probably have taken the piss out of people from Liverpool, Manchester and London for their accents at some point or another.
Then they can handle all the ‘thick, boring Brummie’ bollocks that comes their way.
Post by: Accent Guy on August 19, 2024, 01:29:53 PM
Distinguishing between some of the Eastern European accents rather than just sounding "generic" Eastern European is a challenge. Same for South America.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 19, 2024, 01:33:34 PM
Actually Brazilian Portuguese is quite tough as it happens. To make it not sound Portuguese I mean.
I was thinking more of English accents. Brazilians speaking in English have a very distinctive accent though.
Post by: Accent Guy on August 19, 2024, 01:36:18 PM
Actually Brazilian Portuguese is quite tough as it happens. To make it not sound Portuguese I mean.
I was thinking more of English accents. Brazilians speaking in English have a very distinctive accent though.
Yes that's true but nailing it as a foreigner isn't the easiest.
In terms of UK, getting the.Bristol and Cornish accents right is tricky as they are similar but different. Even Norfolk can sound West Country in places.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 19, 2024, 01:36:57 PM
Still had time for Danny Murphy to discuss Liverpool. Not to mention this headline. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cn02gdl9wyvo
So are they stating that Klopp was actually a shit manager and Slot is making sure they actually play good attacking football at Anfield not seen for years?
For context, last year they drew 1-1 at Luton and beat both Burnley and Sheffield Utd 0-2. All their stats showed them leading in all stats in the games apart from one. On Saturday Liverpool fouled more then all those other game with 18, the dirty buggers.
Post by: Bad English on August 19, 2024, 01:40:05 PM
Post by: Accent Guy on August 19, 2024, 01:44:47 PM
Can you do Perpignan and Montpellier accents in French AG?
Never tried French regional accents as I know nothing about them. I imagine they are incredibly different to Parisian tho!
Post by: adrenachrome on August 19, 2024, 02:13:59 PM
Anyone writing 'tho' should not really comment on other people's language though. ;-)
Wud u tolerate split infinitives, danglin prepositions and emojis, tho?
Post by: amfy on August 19, 2024, 03:19:41 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 19, 2024, 03:20:15 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 19, 2024, 05:17:49 PM
Will the Brummie accent hold you back for a Nobel Prize though R&B? ;-)Arh ar kid
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 19, 2024, 05:18:53 PM
Let's see her take the pee out of other regional accents now, they won't it because they think Birmingham people don't mind, well here's a starter why don't you go forth and multiply it's isn't funny anymore you don't do it to others so I don't stand for it any longer
Who are you talking to?!
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 19, 2024, 05:40:40 PM
Ms ScottLet's see her take the pee out of other regional accents now, they won't it because they think Birmingham people don't mind, well here's a starter why don't you go forth and multiply it's isn't funny anymore you don't do it to others so I don't stand for it any longer
Who are you talking to?!
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2024, 06:06:53 PM
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2024, 06:14:54 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 19, 2024, 08:11:39 PM
What's she done? You seem to have invented a reason to be angry at her.Well if I am correct (according to previous post)she puts on that stupid Birmingham accent
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 19, 2024, 08:15:07 PM
Post by: olaftab on August 19, 2024, 08:23:08 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 19, 2024, 08:23:49 PM
Reference to a previous postWatching MOTD 2, Alex Scott is an appalling host.I'm not mad keen on her, but I fail to see why her accent makes her 'thick as mince'
:(
Good evenin', wasss appnin', Birminun etc. She's thick as mince.
When did speaking properly become redundant as a requirement for being a BBC presenter? Pundits yeah, they've never been the brightest, but there should be a standard for a presenter and she falls way below what I would expect from someone anchoring a show.
Also, if you thought our non VAR decision was bad, have a look at the Palace "goal'. Eze scores a worldie from a FK but as the ball is about to hit the net, the ref blows his whistle for a supposed foul on the edge of the box. There was no foul and VAR would have ruled the goal was fine but the ref had already blown his whistle a split second before the ball hit the net so VAR can't get involved.
Absolute farce.
Post by: VillaTim on August 19, 2024, 08:25:27 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2024, 08:25:51 PM
Alan Smith earlier: a couple of early goals will give Solanke confidence that he can operate at this level.
WTF? Was Smith on moon last season?
I kind of get the point, he failed at Chelsea and Liverpool. Now Spurs are that, and he was at a different stage of his career, but Bournemouth are a smaller club. Having that level of expectation brings pressure.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 19, 2024, 09:33:41 PM
If we beat Arsenal (again) on Saturday we will be last on MOTD and they probably won't even bother showing it on MOTD2 .
I think we'll be on first. Regardless.
If we win it will be - have Arsenal blown it?
Post by: Somniloquism on August 20, 2024, 08:10:04 AM
Rock
Happy,
Beast,
Proper Proper Defender.
Monster
Unreal
Horrible Things (apparently also only him with his "trained eye" could spot this).
Bit of a joke
Immense
Smashed it
Monster.
Apparently also he picks a manager of the week which he gave to Eddie Howe because of how he managed to ensure Southampton didn't have a finisher in the team.
So I suppose being careful for what you wish for is definitely a thing after thinking Crooks wasn't that good.
Post by: rob_bridge on August 20, 2024, 09:47:46 AM
Troys take for the team of the week.
Rock
Happy,
Beast,
Proper Proper Defender.
Monster
Unreal
Horrible Things (apparently also only him with his "trained eye" could spot this).
Bit of a joke
Immense
Smashed it
Monster.
Apparently also he picks a manager of the week which he gave to Eddie Howe because of how he managed to ensure Southampton didn't have a finisher in the team.
So I suppose being careful for what you wish for is definitely a thing after thinking Crooks wasn't that good.
At least he is picking players vaguely in the right position. Sure Crooks had Palmer as wing back last season in one game.
I'd have given it to the Brighton guy - hit the ground running. Crooks would have given it Slot, no doubt.
Post by: VillaTim on August 20, 2024, 06:21:04 PM
we'd only be on 1st by default as its ArsenalIf we beat Arsenal (again) on Saturday we will be last on MOTD and they probably won't even bother showing it on MOTD2 .
I think we'll be on first. Regardless.
If we win it will be - have Arsenal blown it?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 20, 2024, 06:30:15 PM
I think I saw ‘Buendia’ on a shirt for a microsecond in the new MOTD intro.
There’s no risk of overexposure of the Villa on the BBC, is there.
Same as last year.
I think Dibu and Luiz were also on last years credits, replaced this year by an Ollie knee-slide.
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2024, 04:08:19 PM
Yep, she's appalling. She's clearly being lined up for the main MOTD day job as well when Lineker calls it a day. Either her or Jermaine Jenas, who is just as bad.
Actually scratch that re Jenas, the Beeb have just given him the heave ho. Micah Richards next please.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2024, 04:13:44 PM
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Post by: Risso on August 22, 2024, 04:55:03 PM
Bearing in mind what hasn’t got people sacked from the BBC in the last, Jermaine Jenas must be guilty of war crimes or mass murder as a bare minimum.
Even worse, saying "Birminum". Hanging's too good, I'd pull the lever myself, etc.
Post by: TopDeck113 on August 22, 2024, 04:56:36 PM
Post by: danno on August 22, 2024, 04:58:40 PM
Bearing in mind what hasn’t got people sacked from the BBC in the last, Jermaine Jenas must be guilty of war crimes or mass murder as a bare minimum.
Doesn’t have a TV licence.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 22, 2024, 04:59:27 PM
He’s on talk sport hosting like nothing has happenedBearing in mind what hasn’t got people sacked from the BBC in the last, Jermaine Jenas must be guilty of war crimes or mass murder as a bare minimum.
Doesn’t have a TV licence.
Post by: Richard E on August 22, 2024, 04:59:42 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 22, 2024, 10:15:16 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 22, 2024, 11:00:52 PM
This is fantastic news.Certainly cheered me up after a bad few days
Post by: TopDeck113 on August 22, 2024, 11:19:02 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 22, 2024, 11:27:09 PM
Post by: Beard82 on August 22, 2024, 11:47:20 PM
Or, to that matter, for taking a years salary off us without playing. Maybe him and Micah Richards should do a podcast.
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 23, 2024, 06:36:43 AM
Post by: TelfordVilla on August 23, 2024, 07:39:35 AM
Post by: Chap on August 23, 2024, 07:41:35 AM
Post by: sid1964 on August 23, 2024, 07:55:57 AM
"You know that £1 million pound a year job that I had lined up for presenting MOTD - well I have something to tell you"
Post by: Nev on August 23, 2024, 08:00:19 AM
Don't know if the guy is married or has a partner, but can imagine the conversation that he would have had with his partner
"You know that £1 million pound a year job that I had lined up for presenting MOTD - well I have something to tell you"
That's the easy bit.
When she asks why...............................
Post by: chrisw1 on August 23, 2024, 08:11:54 AM
He was absolutely certain that spurs would finish top 4 last season. Dismissed Villa right up to the last match. TosspotIn fairness, I thought Spurs would beat us to 4th and I suspect a lot of other people did too. The fact they only got 6 points from their last 7 games really helped us out tbf.
Post by: Rigadon on August 23, 2024, 08:46:15 AM
He was absolutely certain that spurs would finish top 4 last season. Dismissed Villa right up to the last match. TosspotIn fairness, I thought Spurs would beat us to 4th and I suspect a lot of other people did too. The fact they only got 6 points from their last 7 games really helped us out tbf.
I didn't. I think Spurs are what they've always been, a flattering to deceive London media construct.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 23, 2024, 09:29:42 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on August 23, 2024, 09:32:59 AM
Even so, it was a stretch to expect them to lose 5 of their last 7 games.He was absolutely certain that spurs would finish top 4 last season. Dismissed Villa right up to the last match. TosspotIn fairness, I thought Spurs would beat us to 4th and I suspect a lot of other people did too. The fact they only got 6 points from their last 7 games really helped us out tbf.
I didn't. I think Spurs are what they've always been, a flattering to deceive London media construct.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 23, 2024, 09:43:05 AM
He was absolutely certain that spurs would finish top 4 last season. Dismissed Villa right up to the last match. Tosspot
Do you think Leicester will be relegated? If you do, I guess that makes you a wanker.
Post by: AV82EC on August 23, 2024, 10:10:02 AM
Even so, it was a stretch to expect them to lose 5 of their last 7 games.He was absolutely certain that spurs would finish top 4 last season. Dismissed Villa right up to the last match. TosspotIn fairness, I thought Spurs would beat us to 4th and I suspect a lot of other people did too. The fact they only got 6 points from their last 7 games really helped us out tbf.
I didn't. I think Spurs are what they've always been, a flattering to deceive London media construct.
No it wasn't chris, to quote Roy Keane "Its fucking Spurs".
Post by: LeeB on August 23, 2024, 10:12:51 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 23, 2024, 02:40:44 PM
That is proper good of her.
As for Jenus - the list is endless of talentless twats that steal a living off the media. They must all have shit on senior exec's as it cannot be due to personality or ability.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 23, 2024, 02:47:53 PM
Post by: OCD on August 23, 2024, 02:52:47 PM
So good to see in the Sun today that his wife has stated that she will stand by the multimillionaire Jenus.
That is proper good of her.
Or she could take half in a divorce and find a man that is loyal to her.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 23, 2024, 02:57:29 PM
So good to see in the Sun today that his wife has stated that she will stand by the multimillionaire Jenus.
That is proper good of her.
Or she could take half in a divorce and find a man that is loyal to her.
Maybe she believes that 'to err is human, to forgive divine'. Here they are in happier times.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/22/18/88825521-13769499-image-a-37_1724348304741.jpg)
Post by: Pat Mustard on August 23, 2024, 04:01:32 PM
Even so, it was a stretch to expect them to lose 5 of their last 7 games.He was absolutely certain that spurs would finish top 4 last season. Dismissed Villa right up to the last match. TosspotIn fairness, I thought Spurs would beat us to 4th and I suspect a lot of other people did too. The fact they only got 6 points from their last 7 games really helped us out tbf.
I didn't. I think Spurs are what they've always been, a flattering to deceive London media construct.
No it wasn't chris, to quote Roy Keane "Its fucking Spurs".
In Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable, the definition given for 'All fart and no shit' is simply a Spurs badge.
Post by: Goldenballs on August 23, 2024, 04:08:59 PM
Apart from being a collosal bellend in every possible way.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 23, 2024, 04:23:48 PM
Nothing is really known at the moment apart from the above.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2024, 04:27:05 PM
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Former Match of the Day and One Show star Jermaine Jenas has said he is "speaking to his lawyers" after being sacked by the BBC for allegedly sending inappropriate messages to a female colleague.
Jenas said there were "two sides to every story" and he would let his "lawyers deal with it".
The ex-footballer's contract was terminated this week following allegations involving unsolicited digital communications including texts to a member of a production team.
The issue was brought to the BBC's attention a few weeks ago. The corporation announced his departure on Thursday, but didn't give further details of the allegations.
Later that day, he was asked about the claims on talkSport radio, but said: "I can't really talk about it."
He told the station: "As you can probably see, I am not happy about it."
Asked if he was surprised that any complaints had been made against him, Jenas replied: "I can't really talk right now.
"I've just got to leave this to a team of lawyers at the minute who are, yeah, I suppose just managing the situation," he said.
"This is... yeah, it's tough, you know. But I've got to listen to my lawyers."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvgdjx3pn0no
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 23, 2024, 04:43:10 PM
So good to see in the Sun today
Ffs.
Did the local shop not have Mein Kampf?
Post by: Dave on August 23, 2024, 05:08:01 PM
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Post by: IFWaters on August 23, 2024, 06:15:07 PM
She looks like she's holding his balls.So good to see in the Sun today that his wife has stated that she will stand by the multimillionaire Jenus.
That is proper good of her.
Or she could take half in a divorce and find a man that is loyal to her.
Maybe she believes that 'to err is human, to forgive divine'. Here they are in happier times.
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/08/22/18/88825521-13769499-image-a-37_1724348304741.jpg)
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 23, 2024, 09:59:04 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 23, 2024, 10:01:43 PM
Two sides to every story ay.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 23, 2024, 10:02:41 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 23, 2024, 10:13:43 PM
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After being sacked by the BBC, Jenas — in an excruciating online meeting with HR and senior corporation execs — was shown a string of X-rated messages he had sent two colleagues on The One Show.
However, the defiant former footie star, who is considering suing the BBC for their handling of the crisis, insists: “I did nothing illegal — these were inappropriate messages between two consenting adults.”
Speaking less than 24 hours after The Sun revealed he had been fired from Match of the Day and The One Show following the complaints, Jenas said: “I am ashamed, and I am deeply sorry.
“I have let myself down, my family, friends and colleagues down, and I owe everyone an apology — especially the women with whom I was messaging. I am so, so sorry.
“I am sorry for what I have put them through.
“I think it would be fair to say I have a problem. I know I self- sabotage and have a self-destructive streak when it comes to my relationship especially, and I know I need help. And I am getting help.
“I have made a lot of mistakes, and I am asking myself a lot of questions at the moment. I know there’s a lot of work that needs to be done, and it will be hard.
“Before any of this became public, I saw my private doctor and after a long discussion, booked in for therapy to try and address these issues, where they stem from, and why I have been doing this and hurting the people I love.
“I’m not proud of what I wrote and what I said. And I do consider it cheating, yes, although nothing physical ever happened.
“This is all on me and I fully accept there is a level of responsibility that needs to be upheld when you’re a member of the BBC.
“And I fell below those standards. I must take the responsibility.
“I was given an incredible opportunity and I know it’s on me that right now I feel I have lost everything. I feel like people are judging me and that I am the number one target right now in the country.”
Jenas reveals he was sacked by the BBC on Monday, five days after the initial HR consultation process began.
The BBC’s Director of Sport Alex Kay-Jelski informed all staff of the former Spurs star’s sudden dismissal only after The Sun had broken the story online.
Jenas insists he thinks this “says everything about the BBC’s handling of it all really”.
While former colleagues, both on and off screen, have been advised not to contact him due to the legal situation, he says several well-known faces and production staff have offered their support.
Jenas says he knows one of the women involved through work and she gave him her mobile number at a boozy work event.
They then “frantically” sexted over 24 hours but he claims it ended amicably.
Jenas insists: “These were two consenting adults I was speaking to. With one she made it clear she was interested. I don’t want to start going down the ‘who pursued who’ road, but when people are saying things that are wrong and false information is being spread, I do have to kind of defend my space.
“In that particular instance, there was an adult conversation that took place in a bar in London where that person made it very clear that they had an attraction to me. Yes there was alcohol involved but I take full responsibility.
“I feel people don’t know the truth and are forming opinions about me that aren’t accurate.
“I wasn’t going through some kind of BBC vault trying to get women’s numbers. I’m obviously going to say I’m not a sex pest.
“These were consenting adults I was texting.”
Speaking at the West Lodge Park hotel in North London, Jenas denied sending any sexual pictures or videos.
He said: “That was not the case.”
After being told of the allegations against him, Jenas lied to his wife Ellie in a desperate bid to stall and “find a way out of this mess”.
He was fired five days later via video call while on a family holiday with Ellie and their three kids.
Jenas said: “It was just a grim situation. You’re having to sit there and listen to what you’ve said. I’m not proud of anything.
“It’s embarrassing, and obviously there’s four people there on a Zoom call, basically, just listening to all of this, and reading out my messages. I think I was in shock at the time, there was a lot to process.
“But I’m the married one, I’m at fault, and I was sort of playing this blame game in my head.
“The overriding panic by a mile was that I could lose my family.
“There’s something in me that’s praying there is some level of mercy or understanding of the fact we’re human beings and we all make mistakes, some bigger than others and mine is a big mistake.
“But that didn’t happen, and yeah the whole situation was pretty hellish — and right now I’m not quite sure what I’m feeling, but I don’t think I have ever been lower.”
He says his anxiety has spiralled, and he is suffering with insomnia. Jenas has parted ways with his long-standing agents, MC Saatchi, after they broke the news to him about the damaging allegations.
The BBC has recently reformed workplace culture guidelines after the Strictly Come Dancing and Huw Edwards scandals.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 23, 2024, 11:48:00 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 24, 2024, 12:03:58 AM
Post by: OCD on August 24, 2024, 12:20:21 AM
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_AvXiVonQM/?igsh=MTg5cHF4Z3ZlM2JjYg==
Looks like she wasn't joking about taking it to HR.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 24, 2024, 12:36:03 AM
Inappropriate behaviour or harassment would. Especially nowadays.
Well exactly, so him stating everything was consensual is most probably bollocks and he has most likely taken things too far. It just feels like one of those non-apology apologies where he is just in self-pity mode. I don't think true self reflection has kicked in yet.
Post by: Goldenballs on August 24, 2024, 08:45:31 AM
Yeah there are protests planned all over the country today mate. Football fans know who he is, and the majority likely think he's a tedious ******, then there's some losers who watch the one show who recognise him, the vast majority probably don't know or care who he is.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 24, 2024, 09:06:15 AM
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Jenas reveals he was sacked by the BBC on Monday, five days after the initial HR consultation process began.
The BBC’s Director of Sport Alex Kay-Jelski informed all staff of the former Spurs star’s sudden dismissal only after The Sun had broken the story online.
Jenas insists he thinks this “says everything about the BBC’s handling of it all really”.
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He was fired five days later via video call while on a family holiday with Ellie and their three kids.
So is he complaining that the BBC, who obviously fired him before the story broke, didn't release the reason publicly to the rest of the staff until after the Scum broke it online?
Post by: Mister E on August 24, 2024, 10:40:33 AM
He'll still get work with Sky / TNT / Talkshite, I'm sure.
Post by: danno on August 24, 2024, 12:16:23 PM
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Post by: TopDeck113 on August 24, 2024, 12:47:22 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 24, 2024, 12:48:26 PM
He'll appear in a few years time on I'm A Celebrity or Big Brother. Then be forgotten about again.
Nailed on. Full of his own perceived self importance and about as good a presenter as he was a player during his time with us.
Post by: VillaTim on August 24, 2024, 10:31:24 PM
Talksport have already distanced themselves, so I think he’ll only find work on BEIN sports with hairy hands.Remember hairy hands one time at villa park I sat watching him in the box, he was plucking his eyebrows regularly and every so often he'd eat one of them . Very strange man .
Post by: Somniloquism on August 24, 2024, 10:35:23 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 24, 2024, 10:40:00 PM
Not sure what is stranger, someone apparently eating their own eyebrows or someone deciding to watch someone doing that instead of the match they had paid to see.It was before KO . His pre match snack .
Post by: rob_bridge on August 24, 2024, 10:50:17 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 24, 2024, 11:02:29 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on August 24, 2024, 11:14:22 PM
I’m not watching is it an Arsenal love in?
No - Keown isn't on. Thankfully.
Talked about Villa's shape outsmarting Arsenal prior to the goal and how good Rogers was and Watkins should have scored. Then flipped to Raya, Trossard and Saliba tackle v Ramsey.
Post by: jon collett on August 24, 2024, 11:16:05 PM
Fuck me - Richards is actually lucid tonight.
He was spot on but only laid on very thinly that the substitutions messed us up!
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 24, 2024, 11:38:14 PM
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Post by: Somniloquism on August 25, 2024, 04:20:10 PM
The coverage was good but I thought it would have been more warranted to have put a spotlight on Rogers' game than Ollie's.
Ollie missed two chances for us to be leading. The spotlight was always going to be on that rather then some runs, which whilst they were brilliant, didn't actually change the result of the game either way.
Post by: Nev on August 26, 2024, 10:56:17 AM
The commentator referencing "Wolver'ampton" in the style of Ed Milibamd when he tried to sound street that time.
Joelinton now Joey-linton and Deeney stating that VAR is getting decisions "wronger and wronger" and there's a "question mark that needs to be answered."
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Post by: VillaTim on August 31, 2024, 08:41:08 PM
I hope they show our penalty claim from first half although I fear that won’t make the cut!It was never a pen, not even close (keeper / watkins)
Post by: jon collett on August 31, 2024, 08:45:05 PM
I hope they show our penalty claim from first half although I fear that won’t make the cut!It was never a pen, not even close (keeper / watkins)
I’ve only seen it from the other end of the ground. Seemed to take his legs from under him!
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2024, 08:53:38 PM
I hope they show our penalty claim from first half although I fear that won’t make the cut!It was never a pen, not even close (keeper / watkins)
I’ve only seen it from the other end of the ground. Seemed to take his legs from under him!
Nah. Keeper knocks the ball away, Watkins runs into him without ever really getting near the ball.
Assuming we're talking about the one where the Leicester keeper messes up and miscontrols in the six yard box.
Post by: jon collett on August 31, 2024, 08:58:18 PM
I hope they show our penalty claim from first half although I fear that won’t make the cut!It was never a pen, not even close (keeper / watkins)
I’ve only seen it from the other end of the ground. Seemed to take his legs from under him!
Nah. Keeper knocks the ball away, Watkins runs into him without ever really getting near the ball.
Assuming we're talking about the one where the Leicester keeper messes up and miscontrols in the six yard box.
No that sounds like the one where he was through one on one.
This was the other side of the goal. The keeper tried to kick the ball but missed and Wtkins seemed set to score then the keeper whacked both legs from under him!
The players were complaining for some time about it!
Post by: VillaTim on August 31, 2024, 09:00:28 PM
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2024, 09:03:33 PM
I hope they show our penalty claim from first half although I fear that won’t make the cut!It was never a pen, not even close (keeper / watkins)
I’ve only seen it from the other end of the ground. Seemed to take his legs from under him!
Nah. Keeper knocks the ball away, Watkins runs into him without ever really getting near the ball.
Assuming we're talking about the one where the Leicester keeper messes up and miscontrols in the six yard box.
No that sounds like the one where he was through one on one.
This was the other side of the goal. The keeper tried to kick the ball but missed and Wtkins seemed set to score then the keeper whacked both legs from under him!
The players were complaining for some time about it!
No, sounds like we're talking about the same thing. Leicester playing it out from the back, their keeper miscontrols it.
It might look from the other end of the ground that he misses, but he doesn't, he toes the ball away from Watkins who doesn't quite get to the ball in time.
Post by: VillaTim on August 31, 2024, 09:06:47 PM
i think he's talking about the one when Tielemans threads him through , one on one the keeper slides out and takes the ball, then watkins and his knee hits the keepers head and he's down for a while . It's good goalkeeping .I hope they show our penalty claim from first half although I fear that won’t make the cut!It was never a pen, not even close (keeper / watkins)
I’ve only seen it from the other end of the ground. Seemed to take his legs from under him!
Nah. Keeper knocks the ball away, Watkins runs into him without ever really getting near the ball.
Assuming we're talking about the one where the Leicester keeper messes up and miscontrols in the six yard box.
No that sounds like the one where he was through one on one.
This was the other side of the goal. The keeper tried to kick the ball but missed and Wtkins seemed set to score then the keeper whacked both legs from under him!
The players were complaining for some time about it!
No, sounds like we're talking about the same thing. Leicester playing it out from the back, their keeper miscontrols it.
It might look from the other end of the ground that he misses, but he doesn't, he toes the ball away from Watkins who doesn't quite get to the ball in time.
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2024, 09:08:25 PM
Post by: jon collett on August 31, 2024, 09:10:10 PM
I hope they show our penalty claim from first half although I fear that won’t make the cut!It was never a pen, not even close (keeper / watkins)
I’ve only seen it from the other end of the ground. Seemed to take his legs from under him!
Nah. Keeper knocks the ball away, Watkins runs into him without ever really getting near the ball.
Assuming we're talking about the one where the Leicester keeper messes up and miscontrols in the six yard box.
No that sounds like the one where he was through one on one.
This was the other side of the goal. The keeper tried to kick the ball but missed and Wtkins seemed set to score then the keeper whacked both legs from under him!
The players were complaining for some time about it!
No, sounds like we're talking about the same thing. Leicester playing it out from the back, their keeper miscontrols it.
It might look from the other end of the ground that he misses, but he doesn't, he toes the ball away from Watkins who doesn't quite get to the ball in time.
Yes that one! Makes sense how you explain it.
There was huge amount of booing and Villa wanted VAR to look at it.
Post by: VillaTim on August 31, 2024, 09:11:03 PM
Fair enough, I can't even remember that one!Watkins has had another poor game . Tielemans and Rogers put it on a plate for him today . He has to bury at least one of those .
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 31, 2024, 09:12:47 PM
From the replays, his reaction time is not good.Fair enough, I can't even remember that one!Watkins has had another poor game . Tielemans and Rogers put it on a plate for him today . He has to bury at least one of those .
Post by: VillaTim on August 31, 2024, 09:47:39 PM
The one Rogers plays him in , he makes it too easy for the keeper , nice height etc . You've got to bury these chances if you want to be regarded as a top quality Nr 9 .From the replays, his reaction time is not good.Fair enough, I can't even remember that one!Watkins has had another poor game . Tielemans and Rogers put it on a plate for him today . He has to bury at least one of those .
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2024, 10:50:48 PM
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2024, 11:02:47 PM
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 31, 2024, 11:22:41 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on August 31, 2024, 11:28:50 PM
Post match analysis focused on Leicester being hard done by for the foul leading to our first goal .
Cooper moaned it wasn't a foul, they showed that even slowed down it was one that at best was 50/50 so no it wasn't a mistake. Then it was all on how well worked the free kick was. I suspect it was all to piss off Danny Murphy again, especially as Joe congratulated McPhee at the end of his piece.
Post by: VillaTim on August 31, 2024, 11:41:01 PM
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Post by: VillaTim on August 31, 2024, 11:53:04 PM
Post by: Rory on September 01, 2024, 01:05:45 AM
No not really. “They did a superb piece on our first goal. So nothing to complain there.
Yep, 'it was a 50/50 decision on the challenge, Villa worked a good free kick but Leicester should've defended it better' seems okay to me.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2024, 01:11:32 AM
No not really. “They did a superb piece on our first goal. So nothing to complain there.
Yep, 'it was a 50/50 decision on the challenge, Villa worked a good free kick but Leicester should've defended it better' seems okay to me.
I think Tim thinks Villa on MOTD should be spoken about like a round of golf by Kim Jung Un in North Korea.
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on September 01, 2024, 01:23:52 AM
He's definitely a cut above Danny Murphy who was moaning that Leicester should have closed us down better.
I didn't notice us in the opening credits - barring a quick flicker of Buendia's shirt when they were going through some of the number 10s of various clubs; and didn't show either of our goals in the end credits, when they showed goals from the other games.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2024, 01:27:20 AM
I actually thought Joe Hart was decent as an analyst - especially talking through Villa's first goal; and for some of the other games.
He's definitely a cut above Danny Murphy who was moaning that Leicester should have closed us down better.
I didn't notice us in the opening credits - barring a quick flicker of Buendia's shirt when they were going through some of the number 10s of various clubs; and didn't show either of our goals in the end credits, when they showed goals from the other games.
I haven't seen this MOTD but he has always seemed fine to me. I'll take the lack of "personality" and better punditry over a Micah style any day.
Post by: VillaTim on September 01, 2024, 09:53:18 AM
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 01, 2024, 12:19:05 PM
I actually thought Joe Hart was decent as an analyst - especially talking through Villa's first goal; and for some of the other games.
He's definitely a cut above Danny Murphy who was moaning that Leicester should have closed us down better.
I didn't notice us in the opening credits - barring a quick flicker of Buendia's shirt when they were going through some of the number 10s of various clubs; and didn't show either of our goals in the end credits, when they showed goals from the other games.
I thought Joe Hart was good too. Made Murphy look very one dimensional, which was nice.
There is an image of Watkins in the opening credits, sliding on his knees after scoring
Post by: VillaTim on September 01, 2024, 10:01:13 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on September 01, 2024, 10:11:32 PM
Post match analysis focused on Leicester being hard done by for the foul leading to our first goal .
Cooper moaned it wasn't a foul, they showed that even slowed down it was one that at best was 50/50 so no it wasn't a mistake. Then it was all on how well worked the free kick was. I suspect it was all to piss off Danny Murphy again, especially as Joe congratulated McPhee at the end of his piece.
Ha yes
Post by: Somniloquism on September 01, 2024, 10:15:22 PM
Only two people were monsters this week.
Post by: rob_bridge on September 01, 2024, 10:18:52 PM
No not really. “They did a superb piece on our first goal. So nothing to complain there.
Yep, 'it was a 50/50 decision on the challenge, Villa worked a good free kick but Leicester should've defended it better' seems okay to me.
I think Tim thinks Villa on MOTD should be spoken about like a round of golf by Kim Jung Un in North Korea.
I'd like to see VillaTim as guest editor on MOTD on a day we win.
Host Dion Dublin
Commentators Lee Hendrie and Alan Smith
Pundits Nigel Kennedy, Prince William and Tom Hanks
Special guest - Troy Deeney to eat humble pie
Post by: VillaTim on September 01, 2024, 10:34:13 PM
Can't work out if Alan Smith . He keeps his commentary very professional (I like him as a co-commentator) maybe he counter balances it too much as he's a villa fan but he doesn't side with us and sometimes seems to go the other way , maybe a psychological counter balance .No not really. “They did a superb piece on our first goal. So nothing to complain there.
Yep, 'it was a 50/50 decision on the challenge, Villa worked a good free kick but Leicester should've defended it better' seems okay to me.
I think Tim thinks Villa on MOTD should be spoken about like a round of golf by Kim Jung Un in North Korea.
I'd like to see VillaTim as guest editor on MOTD on a day we win.
Host Dion Dublin
Commentators Lee Hendrie and Alan Smith
Pundits Nigel Kennedy, Prince William and Tom Hanks
Special guest - Troy Deeney to eat humble pie
Post by: VillaTim on September 01, 2024, 11:01:43 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 01, 2024, 11:38:27 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 02, 2024, 12:26:34 AM
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 02, 2024, 12:41:52 AM
2nd last on MOTD2 .
where they just show the goals from the day before? so?
wasnt even like our match was a good on either tbh
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 02, 2024, 02:11:25 PM
Apart from a poor touch on Faas head, Durans 2nd against Leicester was at the end of an 18 pass move, most of which was one touch
Wankers
Post by: rob_bridge on September 02, 2024, 02:55:13 PM
Can't work out if Alan Smith . He keeps his commentary very professional (I like him as a co-commentator) maybe he counter balances it too much as he's a villa fan but he doesn't side with us and sometimes seems to go the other way , maybe a psychological counter balance .No not really. “They did a superb piece on our first goal. So nothing to complain there.
Yep, 'it was a 50/50 decision on the challenge, Villa worked a good free kick but Leicester should've defended it better' seems okay to me.
I think Tim thinks Villa on MOTD should be spoken about like a round of golf by Kim Jung Un in North Korea.
I'd like to see VillaTim as guest editor on MOTD on a day we win.
Host Dion Dublin
Commentators Lee Hendrie and Alan Smith
Pundits Nigel Kennedy, Prince William and Tom Hanks
Special guest - Troy Deeney to eat humble pie
I think he is like Richie Benaud in that respect (not as good as him) but clearly has a preference (for Villa) which never impinges on his professionalism.
Always hear Smith giving a slighlty harder time than other midland teams so suspected he was possibly an Albion fan but he was defo a Villa fan growing up.
Post by: eamonn on September 02, 2024, 03:15:25 PM
Re our goals being shunned for Goal of the Month - I think this is a positive feature of Emery's tenure. A lot of our goals are really well-worked team efforts that involve a number of consecutive passes, the type usually overlooked in favour of top-corner thunderbolts etc. - a far cry from Gerrard's grasping at "individual moments of quality" when we looked disjointed as a team.
I get the feeling our players are discouraged from trying worldies due to the low chance of success compared to our superior ability to keep possession in dangerous areas and pounce at the right moment with through-balls and the like.
Post by: paul_e on September 02, 2024, 03:32:16 PM
Joe Hart is excellent, I thought. Analysis that rings true, good vocabulary and explains things really well.
Re our goals being shunned for Goal of the Month - I think this is a positive feature of Emery's tenure. A lot of our goals are really well-worked team efforts that involve a number of consecutive passes, the type usually overlooked in favour of top-corner thunderbolts etc. - a far cry from Gerrard's grasping at "individual moments of quality" when we looked disjointed as a team.
I get the feeling our players are discouraged from trying worldies due to the low chance of success compared to our superior ability to keep possession in dangerous areas and pounce at the right moment with through-balls and the like.
I agree, ours are the sort of goals that coaches will be purring over (well, good ones at least) but fans won't necessarily appreciate as much.
Post by: rob_bridge on September 02, 2024, 03:38:07 PM
Joe Hart is excellent, I thought. Analysis that rings true, good vocabulary and explains things really well.
Re our goals being shunned for Goal of the Month - I think this is a positive feature of Emery's tenure. A lot of our goals are really well-worked team efforts that involve a number of consecutive passes, the type usually overlooked in favour of top-corner thunderbolts etc. - a far cry from Gerrard's grasping at "individual moments of quality" when we looked disjointed as a team.
I get the feeling our players are discouraged from trying worldies due to the low chance of success compared to our superior ability to keep possession in dangerous areas and pounce at the right moment with through-balls and the like.
I agree, ours are the sort of goals that coaches will be purring over (well, good ones at least) but fans won't necessarily appreciate as much.
They made that first goal v Leicester look much easier than it was.
Diaz goal winning for August is a joke
Post by: VillaTim on September 02, 2024, 04:01:57 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 02, 2024, 05:23:44 PM
Post by: OCD on September 02, 2024, 05:38:41 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 02, 2024, 05:44:58 PM
MOTD's goal of the month is a public vote so it's a popularity contest anyway, so Liverpool and Man Utd win more than they should if it was based on merit.Who selects the shortlist ?
Post by: rob_bridge on September 02, 2024, 09:00:37 PM
MOTD's goal of the month is a public vote so it's a popularity contest anyway, so Liverpool and Man Utd win more than they should if it was based on merit.
Ahh. Hence Mbouma which I thought was the best finished last
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 14, 2024, 10:50:08 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 14, 2024, 10:50:39 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 14, 2024, 10:50:45 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on September 14, 2024, 10:52:07 PM
I did think Liverpool would be first but it is a bad news story
Post by: Somniloquism on September 14, 2024, 10:55:21 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on September 14, 2024, 11:08:22 PM
From a highlights point of view, I think it will be short. I expect the studio will be more on Everton being 2-0 up and fucked it up as well.
Rest assured it is Danny LFC Murphy slagging of DCL even though he gave CHs a hard time. Yep it would have been an Everton waltz without Calvert Lewin's contribution.
Murphy is a fucking bellend on MOTD
Post by: Somniloquism on September 14, 2024, 11:09:48 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on September 14, 2024, 11:14:50 PM
I was surprised that there was more highlights then expected, and it was more of how we scored our goals.
Still loads left out for me. Some of Morgan's good stuff including goal chances (3 shots on target) - no reference of first goal poor play on our part. Watkins misses glossed over.
Ahh maybe I am tired and nit picking.
My 5 year old will enjoy tomorrow morning having been at the game.
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on September 14, 2024, 11:28:23 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 14, 2024, 11:32:44 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 15, 2024, 12:38:35 AM
Im not a fan of Danny Murphy, but I’m not sure what he’s done wrong tonight, i thought he was pretty complimentary about us.
Yeah, the MOTD coverage was fine tonight, even if we were only first because Spurz and Arsenal don't play until tomorrow.
Post by: Rory on September 15, 2024, 01:00:46 AM
But they were complimentary about us, and as much as people might begrudge a focus on Everton, them losing their fourth game in a row (two of which were after giving up a two-goal lead) is a bigger story than a top four side beating an inferior side at home.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 15, 2024, 10:57:50 AM
Post by: Stu on September 15, 2024, 11:03:42 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 15, 2024, 11:05:37 AM
Just watching the full programme from last night. Is it true that Forest haven’t won at Anfield since 1969? That seems unbelievable
That's definitely incorrect.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 15, 2024, 11:15:54 AM
Looking at the H2H, I didn't realise Forest knocked out Liverpool in the run-up to their first Euro win. Might have only been the second round of matches as well.
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 15, 2024, 04:23:47 PM
Well against Liverpool in the league it is correct. Forest beat them in the League cup in 78. Although there is over 20 years when they haven't played them at all.The first round in 1978/79.
Looking at the H2H, I didn't realise Forest knocked out Liverpool in the run-up to their first Euro win. Might have only been the second round of matches as well.
Post by: eamonn on September 15, 2024, 04:32:59 PM
The highlights and analysis were much shorter than you'd expect for first game up. I switched off after us so not sure if it was a reduced running time following the delay thanks to those cunts at the Proms?
Isn't that a b-side by The Fall?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 15, 2024, 10:22:33 PM
The highlights and analysis were much shorter than you'd expect for first game up. I switched off after us so not sure if it was a reduced running time following the delay thanks to those cunts at the Proms?
Isn't that a b-side by The Fall?
I doubt it, dr.chekov hasn't posted it in 'The Chain' thread.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 15, 2024, 10:36:42 PM
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Post by: VillaTim on September 15, 2024, 11:14:00 PM
The Newcastle post-match dressing room photos are back. :(Fully justified when you've won the league in Cannockshire in September. Must be a world record
Post by: Louzie0 on September 15, 2024, 11:34:48 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 15, 2024, 11:45:26 PM
I liked the return of the screamer section tonight, featuring Jhon Duran; nice to see him finishing both this weekend’s play out films, as well. Hope Ollie’s not the jealous type!
Yeah, you know it's a special goal when it prompts a MOTD montage.
Post by: Louzie0 on September 16, 2024, 12:19:56 AM
I liked the return of the screamer section tonight, featuring Jhon Duran; nice to see him finishing both this weekend’s play out films, as well. Hope Ollie’s not the jealous type!
Yeah, you know it's a special goal when it prompts a MOTD montage.
The musical nod with Duran Duran was fun. I thought it was interesting that both pundits agreed that the game was shifting away from encouraging young players to express themselves in this way. We could have a rare asset in JD as well as our top drawer international striker in Ollie. Not a bad position to be in; as Emery says, it’s his job to get them playing together!
Post by: Somniloquism on September 16, 2024, 08:59:17 AM
Post by: aj2k77 on September 16, 2024, 09:03:58 AM
"Arsenal haven't lost a Premier League game in 2024". Really?
Arteta got it removed from their record because it just wasn't fair.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 16, 2024, 09:05:09 AM
Post by: OCD on September 16, 2024, 11:18:05 AM
Post by: Bad English on September 16, 2024, 12:44:41 PM
Was it meant to be 'Haven't lost an away game in 2024'?I think it should be "Fuck off Tarquins! We don't care."
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 06:12:16 PM
Gabby Logan and Mark Chapman will be main presenters and Jason Mohammed on occasion.
From 10pm on the Wednesday of match weeks, 3 minute highlights from every fixture will be available to watch on UEFA Champions League Channel on the BBC iPlayer and BBC Sport website.
10.40pm Wednesdays a new midweek Match of the Day programme on BBC One and iPlayer for Champions League
Also some Thursdays when matches are on.
Pundits:
Ex Footballers:
Stephen Warnock, Joe Hart, Theo Walcott, Thomas Hitzlsperger, Steph Houghton and Nedum Onuoha who will offer specialist football, tactical analysis and insight.
European Football Journalists:
Julien Laurens, Rory Smith, Guillem Balague and Nicky Bandini
Post by: SaddVillan on September 18, 2024, 11:01:08 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on September 18, 2024, 11:29:52 PM
WTF is the idea of an analysis screen on which you can't see the players?
Show it on the full screen.
Post by: baddowvillans on September 19, 2024, 07:08:15 AM
7 mins 42 seconds, including the tribute to Gary Shaw.
WTF is the ideal of an analysis screen on which you can't see the players?
Show it on the full screen.
Exactly my thoughts. Not that our game got a lot of analysis not even to question the disallowed Ollie goal, but they were complimentary.
Post by: jon collett on September 19, 2024, 10:46:58 AM
However there was a nice tribute to Gary Shaw!
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2024, 11:01:56 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 19, 2024, 11:02:55 AM
Post by: LeeB on September 19, 2024, 11:13:41 AM
You get more in depth analysis if you're a Bologna or Girona fan in the Guardian.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 19, 2024, 11:52:23 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 19, 2024, 12:01:26 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 19, 2024, 12:16:29 PM
I think we should have a Champions League MOTD Thread.
:)
Post by: Garyth on September 19, 2024, 12:26:58 PM
I think we should have a Champions League MOTD Thread.
😂🙌🏼
Post by: eamonn on September 19, 2024, 12:47:42 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 19, 2024, 01:03:42 PM
Post by: dalians umbrella on September 19, 2024, 02:30:02 PM
7 mins 42 seconds, including the tribute to Gary Shaw.
WTF is the idea of an analysis screen on which you can't see the players?
Show it on the full screen.
I am just watching it now and can’t see anything. I came online to see if anybody else was moaning like me. Thankfully they are
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 19, 2024, 02:53:42 PM
Hate to say it but the coverage of us on Talksport on Tuesday ahead of the game was great. A lot of chat about us, linking in with Gabby from Bern. Then on the Drive show they dedicated a full half hour to us before the game.
That kind of talk will get you banned
Post by: London Villan on September 19, 2024, 03:24:49 PM
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Post by: Small Rodent on September 19, 2024, 11:43:41 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 19, 2024, 11:58:36 PM
Who was that woman on just now talking about Atalanta’s injury problems? It sounded like she knows her stuff and was almost like watching a grown up Football show not fixated on Premier league teams.
I'm not watching, but I would hazard a guess that it's Nicky Bandini. She's an Arsenal fan and specialises in all things Serie A, so it would make sense.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 20, 2024, 01:14:48 AM
Who was that woman on just now talking about Atalanta’s injury problems? It sounded like she knows her stuff and was almost like watching a grown up Football show not fixated on Premier league teams.
I'm not watching, but I would hazard a guess that it's Nicky Bandini. She's an Arsenal fan and specialises in all things Serie A, so it would make sense.
That’s my guess too. She’s decent on the Guardian pod, as is Robin Cowan, and that woman who co-commentated on some of our European games last season. That Northern woman, as Basil would say.
Post by: Astral Weeks on September 20, 2024, 07:34:00 AM
Lucy Ward. She's pretty good, as you say. More knowledgeable than many others where Villa were concerned.Who was that woman on just now talking about Atalanta’s injury problems? It sounded like she knows her stuff and was almost like watching a grown up Football show not fixated on Premier league teams.
I'm not watching, but I would hazard a guess that it's Nicky Bandini. She's an Arsenal fan and specialises in all things Serie A, so it would make sense.
That’s my guess too. She’s decent on the Guardian pod, as is Robin Cowan, and that woman who co-commentated on some of our European games last season. That Northern woman, as Basil would say.
Post by: rob_bridge on September 21, 2024, 07:54:00 AM
It seems that the expire time is very short. Anyone shed any more on this?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2024, 12:47:16 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 21, 2024, 12:53:56 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2024, 01:00:41 PM
Stourbridge! Last time I checked that's nowhere near villa park
I didn't pick the restaurants. The Blue Marlin in Cayman does a great curried goat as well, must be an international chain.
Post by: VillaTim on September 21, 2024, 01:05:34 PM
Sounds good that does , not what I'd have pre-game maybe after , the Aston social was doing BBQ Caribbean food the other year that was decentStourbridge! Last time I checked that's nowhere near villa park
I didn't pick the restaurants. The Blue Marlin in Cayman does a great curried goat as well, must be an international chain.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 21, 2024, 07:55:53 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on September 21, 2024, 08:36:48 PM
I expect we will be between 3rd to 5th on MOTD today.
Oooh I like this prediction game.
I'd say they will cover the 2 relegation games first as a token gesture.
Probably West Ham v Chelsea next and then between us and 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' next.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2024, 08:39:27 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 21, 2024, 10:36:21 PM
Post by: Tuscans on September 21, 2024, 10:42:03 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 21, 2024, 10:43:29 PM
Unai...."we played very shit first half"....
His english is coming on.
Post by: rob_bridge on September 21, 2024, 10:46:23 PM
Post by: Rory on September 21, 2024, 10:47:47 PM
Unai...."we played very shit first half"....
Love it!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2024, 10:50:07 PM
Unai...."we played very shit first half"....
That amused me no end, it was like hearing Footy swear. Just shows how annoyed he was with the first half display.
Fair play to MOTD, showing us and the Gary Shaw tribute first. No complaints about the amount of coverage it's been given this week.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 21, 2024, 10:50:55 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on September 21, 2024, 10:50:55 PM
The media do seem to be latching onto Duran a bit.
Post by: Risso on September 21, 2024, 10:51:55 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 21, 2024, 10:53:21 PM
Duran and Diaz will be good for columbia
The law degrees will also prove useful in their post-football careers.
Post by: Dogtanian on September 21, 2024, 10:56:49 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 21, 2024, 11:01:02 PM
Unai...."we played very shit first half"....He isn't wrong in fairness
Post by: Dogtanian on September 21, 2024, 11:01:35 PM
Duran and Diaz will be good for columbia
The law degrees will also prove useful in their post-football careers.
;D
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 21, 2024, 11:18:18 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 22, 2024, 03:42:00 AM
Surprised we were on first, although they didn’t talk about us much.
The media do seem to be latching onto Duran a bit.
Give it a few weeks and he'll be the solution to Man U's golascoring problems or Arsenal's.
Post by: OCD on September 22, 2024, 12:27:26 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 22, 2024, 12:42:42 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 22, 2024, 03:50:14 PM
MOTD is 60, I wonder is Unai the first manager to be bleeped in an interview on the show. The man can do no wrong.
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 22, 2024, 03:51:57 PM
Post by: Mister E on September 22, 2024, 04:43:08 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 22, 2024, 04:44:59 PM
"We were shit first half". Genuine laugh out loud moment when I watched that this morning.was he rocking his Stone Island gear when he said it 8)
Post by: Holte132 on September 22, 2024, 04:48:51 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on September 22, 2024, 04:53:02 PM
Where have they moved the European Cup Final words to? They showed them on MOTD so I wasn't sure if they are now somewhere in the ground where I can't see them or if that was old footage
Now on the DE upper.
Post by: Holte132 on September 22, 2024, 04:53:48 PM
Where have they moved the European Cup Final words to? They showed them on MOTD so I wasn't sure if they are now somewhere in the ground where I can't see them or if that was old footage
Now on the DE upper.
Thanks
Post by: basavfc on September 22, 2024, 05:34:42 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/Bwr0vfk/Shaw.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Bwr0vfk)
Where have they moved the European Cup Final words to? They showed them on MOTD so I wasn't sure if they are now somewhere in the ground where I can't see them or if that was old footage
Now on the DE upper.
Thanks
Post by: eamonn on September 22, 2024, 07:52:32 PM
Post by: Bad English on September 22, 2024, 08:10:38 PM
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2024, 08:11:08 PM
Post by: Holte132 on September 22, 2024, 08:18:05 PM
They've changed "venture" to "adventure" and as the main cameras come from that stand, we won't get to see the message on tv much no more.
They changed it years ago
Post by: enigma on September 22, 2024, 08:25:49 PM
Is there a video of Emery saying we played shit? Marvellous!https://x.com/JournoHaff/status/1837615738854805766 (https://x.com/JournoHaff/status/1837615738854805766)
Post by: Bad English on September 22, 2024, 08:39:43 PM
Ah cheers!Is there a video of Emery saying we played shit? Marvellous!https://x.com/JournoHaff/status/1837615738854805766 (https://x.com/JournoHaff/status/1837615738854805766)
Post by: dalians umbrella on September 22, 2024, 09:50:18 PM
They've changed "venture" to "adventure" and as the main cameras come from that stand, we won't get to see the message on tv much no more.
It always said that. It’s the same banner isn’t it?
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2024, 10:04:40 PM
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2024, 10:05:47 PM
https://www.flickr.com/photos/50417132@N05/4630552751 - old one.
Post by: dalians umbrella on September 22, 2024, 10:11:40 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 22, 2024, 10:14:49 PM
https://x.com/MatKendrick/status/1837579245553332502/photo/1
Post by: VillaTim on September 22, 2024, 10:33:17 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 22, 2024, 11:24:30 PM
Today's games obviously on first . But then , before us
Fulham v Newcastle
A Man U 0-0
Spurs obviously
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 22, 2024, 11:48:50 PM
Post by: The Edge on September 23, 2024, 08:01:00 AM
And you lot think footy is pre-programmed. Fucking hell, this specimen.Sorry. What?
Post by: Holte132 on September 23, 2024, 09:28:55 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2024, 09:42:24 AM
And you lot think footy is pre-programmed. Fucking hell, this specimen.
Hahaha
Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 23, 2024, 10:04:47 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 23, 2024, 11:59:39 AM
And you lot think footy is pre-programmed. Fucking hell, this specimen.Sorry. What?
I was referring to the post (and poster) above mine.
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 24, 2024, 02:12:51 PM
Not a part at all of the MOTD opening credits tonight, pretty much every other team gets a bit . Joke
Weren't we the first game shown on Saturday? Are you working really hard to be annoyed?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 24, 2024, 02:15:08 PM
Not a part at all of the MOTD opening credits tonight, pretty much every other team gets a bit . Joke
Weren't we the first game shown on Saturday? Are you working really hard to be annoyed?
He's just missing 'Wrighty' not being on this season.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 02, 2024, 10:45:25 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 03, 2024, 01:55:36 AM
Not a part at all of the MOTD opening credits tonight, pretty much every other team gets a bit . Joke
Weren't we the first game shown on Saturday? Are you working really hard to be annoyed?
It’s exactly the same as the MOTD erm 1 titles. Quick flash of the back of Buendia’s shirt, Ollie knee slide in the white away kit.
Post by: VillaTim on October 03, 2024, 01:58:10 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 06, 2024, 04:16:18 PM
Avoid.
Post by: VillaTim on October 06, 2024, 06:07:38 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 06, 2024, 06:18:42 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 06, 2024, 10:56:21 PM
Trying not to overdo the schadenfreude, but after years of waiting it’s heady stuff, seeing the Villa up in 5th and Spurs, MU etc struggling to string wins together. Our Emi has been colossal, this week.
Post by: Lizz on October 06, 2024, 10:57:35 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 06, 2024, 11:04:49 PM
Post by: Lizz on October 06, 2024, 11:11:20 PM
I’m going to be looking at him, now! What’s the issue with him, from your pov?
I'll message you,
Post by: Louzie0 on October 06, 2024, 11:33:33 PM
The film of the match was Villa attacking again and again.
The analysis is all about how They played for a draw.
Post by: olaftab on October 06, 2024, 11:38:51 PM
Post by: Villan82 on October 06, 2024, 11:41:29 PM
Post by: jon collett on October 06, 2024, 11:45:13 PM
Well it appears there was only one team for MotD to analyse and it wasn't Villa.
Just read the Telegraph report and the same. Not even a pretence at balanced reporting.
Post by: Louzie0 on October 06, 2024, 11:48:29 PM
Post by: VillaTim on October 07, 2024, 12:00:20 AM
Can't take to Joe Hart.Why he seems one of the better pundits
Post by: BC54 VFC on October 07, 2024, 12:04:54 AM
Can't take to Joe Hart.He went to the same secondary school in Shrewsbury as my elder son; he's thick as pigs**t.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 07, 2024, 12:39:12 AM
Can't take to Joe Hart.He went to the same secondary school in Shrewsbury as my elder son; he's thick as pigs**t.
He’ll fit right in as a pundit.
It’s a shame that they have to be former players. I’d rather listen to the real analysts, the ones who explain everything to them before they go on. But no-one’s heard of them so they don’t get the gig.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 07, 2024, 08:17:23 AM
Post by: Dave on October 07, 2024, 08:29:28 AM
Surely the story in on Manure because they are waiting for the rug to be pulled out from under Ten Hag. What story was their for the Villa? Not good enough to breakdown a poor Manure side?
It would have been more of an issue if we had bothered to give them literally anything to talk about for us.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 07, 2024, 08:31:31 AM
Post by: Villa Lew on October 07, 2024, 08:55:30 AM
Surely the story in on Manure because they are waiting for the rug to be pulled out from under Ten Hag. What story was their for the Villa? Not good enough to breakdown a poor Manure side?
It would have been more of an issue if we had bothered to give them literally anything to talk about for us.
Sadly that's correct.
Post by: OCD on October 07, 2024, 11:30:07 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on October 07, 2024, 11:58:05 AM
Surely the story in on Manure because they are waiting for the rug to be pulled out from under Ten Hag. What story was their for the Villa? Not good enough to breakdown a poor Manure side?
It would have been more of an issue if we had bothered to give them literally anything to talk about for us.
Yes for once - below par Villa didn't perform is about all we can say. Both teams had hard midweek games and it showed. They were about as good as they could have been expected, we weren't.
ManU will always be the bigger story especially when in 'turmoil'
Post by: Border villan on October 07, 2024, 12:04:24 PM
Can't take to Joe Hart.He went to the same secondary school in Shrewsbury as my elder son; he's thick as pigs**t.
Taken as a compliment around Meole.
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 07, 2024, 03:06:32 PM
Unlike the goon squad of the likes of Richards, Walcott, and Jenas (when he wasn't allegedly waving his cock around) the bias of people like Deeney and Murphy and the sheer ineptness of Alex Scott and Colin Murray.
Post by: Holte132 on October 07, 2024, 07:44:04 PM
Post by: not3bad on October 07, 2024, 08:16:42 PM
If anyone was watching the MOTD discussion about our game, without knowing who Man Utd were playing they wouldn't have been able to work it out!
Anonymous on the pitch, anonymous off it.
Post by: VillaTim on October 07, 2024, 08:27:56 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on October 08, 2024, 01:19:36 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 08, 2024, 02:10:25 PM
Troy "Monster" Deeney chose Dalot in his team of the week. He didn't specify in his breakdown why but I'm sure in reality it was getting his back on the block in the last second, especially when Carlos or Torres had better shouts in keeping a clean sheet against both Bayern and Manure.
Scruffy cockend
Post by: VillaTim on October 19, 2024, 10:09:30 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 19, 2024, 10:14:20 PM
Let's see where we are in the pecking order
Probably 4th or 5th which is about right.
Post by: jon collett on October 19, 2024, 10:22:23 PM
Post by: VillaTim on October 19, 2024, 10:38:34 PM
Nope we should be on 2nd after the Bournemouth win .Let's see where we are in the pecking order
Probably 4th or 5th which is about right.
Why would Spurs be on before us .
Post by: Somniloquism on October 19, 2024, 10:42:19 PM
Let's see where we are in the pecking order
Probably 4th or 5th which is about right.
4th, which is about right as you state. Arse losing is the biggest news of the day, then Leicester coming back from 2-0 down in the relegation battle. Toss up then on us or Spurs but they did score 4.
Post by: VillaTim on October 19, 2024, 10:46:13 PM
Post by: Accent Guy on October 19, 2024, 10:49:16 PM
Standard MOTD bias
Where's the bias? Seems perfectly acceptable for us to be 4th in the running order tonight.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 19, 2024, 10:50:21 PM
Standard MOTD bias
Where's the bias? Seems perfectly acceptable for us to be 4th in the running order tonight.
VillaTim ALWAYS complains about MOTD, don't bother replying to him about it. Just one of his trolls...
Post by: Hopadop on October 19, 2024, 10:51:00 PM
Standard MOTD bias
Plucky underdog win is always going to trump routine win by big Europe bothering club.
Post by: VillaTim on October 19, 2024, 10:55:08 PM
They often go on league table running order , so why would Spurs be on before us in a routine home win .Standard MOTD bias
Plucky underdog win is always going to trump routine win by big Europe bothering club.
Saints fair enough to a degree as they completely implode
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 19, 2024, 10:56:15 PM
Let's see where we are in the pecking order
Probably 4th or 5th which is about right.
4th, which is about right as you state. Arse losing is the biggest news of the day, then Leicester coming back from 2-0 down in the relegation battle. Toss up then on us or Spurs but they did score 4.
Yeah, that's how I saw it too. Wasn't sure if they might sneak in the home win for 'under pressure' Ten Hag.
Post by: Hopadop on October 19, 2024, 10:58:51 PM
They often go on league table running order , so why would Spurs be on before us in a routine home win .Standard MOTD bias
Plucky underdog win is always going to trump routine win by big Europe bothering club.
Saints fair enough to a degree as they completely implode
Spurs are the plucky underdogs
Post by: VillaTim on October 19, 2024, 11:24:07 PM
Ha yeah. Nice words from Shay Given , Unai is an elite coach . Yep.They often go on league table running order , so why would Spurs be on before us in a routine home win .Standard MOTD bias
Plucky underdog win is always going to trump routine win by big Europe bothering club.
Saints fair enough to a degree as they completely implode
Spurs are the plucky underdogs
Post by: Rory on October 20, 2024, 12:32:51 AM
Ha yeah. Nice words from Shay Given , Unai is an elite coach . Yep.They often go on league table running order , so why would Spurs be on before us in a routine home win .Standard MOTD bias
Plucky underdog win is always going to trump routine win by big Europe bothering club.
Saints fair enough to a degree as they completely implode
Spurs are the plucky underdogs
Thought it was Lineker who said that?
Post by: SaddVillan on October 20, 2024, 12:03:44 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on October 20, 2024, 12:18:47 PM
Ha yeah. Nice words from Shay Given , Unai is an elite coach . Yep.
Thought it was Lineker who said that?
Shay stated it, Lineker agreed.
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 20, 2024, 02:02:19 PM
If that was the case, seems perfectly reasonable scheduling to me?
Post by: Simon Page on October 20, 2024, 02:30:42 PM
Post by: VillaTim on October 20, 2024, 06:54:26 PM
Bournemouth beating Arsenal was obviously biggest result of the day so clear why that was on first, Leicester coming back from 2-0 down was clearly the next biggest story, then presuming they went in number of goals per game order? Spurs had five goals, our game had four. I switched after our game, but presume Man Utd game was next with three goals, followed by the Everton game, then Newcastles game?Often MOTD will show the LIVE tea time game towards the end though as it's just been on. No issue with Leicester's heroics being high up the pecking order but we are above Spurs we had a decent game with goals , red cards , pens etc and we should of been on before them but we know the Beeb love Spurs.
If that was the case, seems perfectly reasonable scheduling to me?
Post by: coreyfeldman on October 20, 2024, 08:41:05 PM
Bournemouth beating Arsenal was obviously biggest result of the day so clear why that was on first, Leicester coming back from 2-0 down was clearly the next biggest story, then presuming they went in number of goals per game order? Spurs had five goals, our game had four. I switched after our game, but presume Man Utd game was next with three goals, followed by the Everton game, then Newcastles game?Often MOTD will show the LIVE tea time game towards the end though as it's just been on. No issue with Leicester's heroics being high up the pecking order but we are above Spurs we had a decent game with goals , red cards , pens etc and we should of been on before them but we know the Beeb love Spurs.
If that was the case, seems perfectly reasonable scheduling to me?
Spurs west ham is considered a derby, there were 5 goals and also a red card, and more chances in that game than in ours so I don't think it's outrageous that it was on before us.
Also, why are you so bothered by it every single week?
Post by: Nev on October 20, 2024, 08:45:36 PM
Post by: coreyfeldman on October 20, 2024, 08:49:16 PM
Post by: Rory on October 20, 2024, 09:29:53 PM
Ha yeah. Nice words from Shay Given , Unai is an elite coach . Yep.
Thought it was Lineker who said that?
Shay stated it, Lineker agreed.
Fair enough.
Post by: OCD on October 20, 2024, 09:59:20 PM
I'm sure Pearce said that Mings got injured in October of last season....
He did and he's not the first to get it wrong about the returning players.
Post by: VillaTim on October 20, 2024, 11:03:26 PM
Post by: VillaTim on October 20, 2024, 11:34:32 PM
Newcastle on before us
Spurs on before us
Bournemouth too
Didn't mention us about midweek champions league either unlike arse and C115y
We are 4th in the table but they go out of their way to ignore us .
Post by: The Edge on October 20, 2024, 11:50:31 PM
MOTD2 -I prefer that we go under the radar.
Newcastle on before us
Spurs on before us
Bournemouth too
Didn't mention us about midweek champions league either unlike arse and C115y
We are 4th in the table but they go out of their way to ignore us .
Post by: Monty on October 20, 2024, 11:53:52 PM
MOTD2 -I prefer that we go under the radar.
Newcastle on before us
Spurs on before us
Bournemouth too
Didn't mention us about midweek champions league either unlike arse and C115y
We are 4th in the table but they go out of their way to ignore us .
I don't really know what any of this means.
Post by: Pete3206 on October 21, 2024, 12:17:31 AM
MOTD2 -
Newcastle on before us
Spurs on before us
Bournemouth too
Didn't mention us about midweek champions league either unlike arse and C115y
We are 4th in the table but they go out of their way to ignore us .
Alan Partridge shrug meme thingy.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 21, 2024, 02:10:59 AM
Ha yeah. Nice words from Shay Given , Unai is an elite coach . Yep.
Thought it was Lineker who said that?
Shay stated it, Lineker agreed.
Fair enough.
Just checked on iplayer, because I thought you were right Rory. You were.
GL: “He’s elite coach, no question”.
SG: “Yeah”.
Post by: Rory on October 21, 2024, 02:29:33 AM
Ha yeah. Nice words from Shay Given , Unai is an elite coach . Yep.
Thought it was Lineker who said that?
Shay stated it, Lineker agreed.
Fair enough.
Just checked on iplayer, because I thought you were right Rory. You were.
GL: “He’s elite coach, no question”.
SG: “Yeah”.
Thanks Perce!
Whoever said it was correct. Best manager in the world, and he's ours 🙂
Post by: Baldy on October 21, 2024, 08:02:06 AM
Last Saturday, Sutton on 606 mentioned our biggest downfall will be 'the lack of strength of depth in our squad'. Apart from Villa fans it went completely unnoticed as to how strong our bench was against Fulham, with Mings in the wings.
Yes, let's fly under the radar for as long as possible before world domination. :)
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 21, 2024, 08:12:21 AM
Despite the praise, get the impression the media pundits do not consider us a serious contender for anything. A ship passing in the night!!Totally agree.
Last Saturday, Sutton on 606 mentioned our biggest downfall will be 'the lack of strength of depth in our squad'. Apart from Villa fans it went completely unnoticed as to how strong our bench was against Fulham, with Mings in the wings.
Yes, let's fly under the radar for as long as possible before world domination. :)
We know we've witnessed a truly remarkable transformation in the team over two years.
Post by: Monty on October 21, 2024, 08:20:59 AM
Post by: Baldy on October 21, 2024, 08:33:15 AM
Again, what does 'under the radar' mean, in any meaningful way, for a football club currently playing in the Premier League and the Champions League?
It means 'unnoticed'.
95% of the praise is for Unai Emery. As if he is doing a magnificent job with a bunch of misfits!!!
The quality, strength and conviction of the squad is not getting the recognition it deserves.
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2024, 08:37:20 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 21, 2024, 08:44:44 AM
Post by: Drummond on October 21, 2024, 08:45:38 AM
Having said all that, the coverage we got for the Bayern game was respectful of our status I thought.
Post by: Monty on October 21, 2024, 08:46:30 AM
Again, what does 'under the radar' mean, in any meaningful way, for a football club currently playing in the Premier League and the Champions League?
It means 'unnoticed'.
95% of the praise is for Unai Emery. As if he is doing a magnificent job with a bunch of misfits!!!
The quality, strength and conviction of the squad is not getting the recognition it deserves.
Right, sure, but it's still unclear to me why it matters? The other teams we're playing against don't get their analysis from MOTD, so where's the practical benefit?
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2024, 08:51:37 AM
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on October 21, 2024, 08:52:15 AM
Post by: Dave on October 21, 2024, 09:00:13 AM
It doesn't matter, it's just an observation.
It seems to matter quite a lot to some people who are furious that we are not being given The Respect That We Deserve.
Post by: paul_e on October 21, 2024, 09:02:40 AM
Again, what does 'under the radar' mean, in any meaningful way, for a football club currently playing in the Premier League and the Champions League?
It means 'unnoticed'.
95% of the praise is for Unai Emery. As if he is doing a magnificent job with a bunch of misfits!!!
The quality, strength and conviction of the squad is not getting the recognition it deserves.
Right, sure, but it's still unclear to me why it matters? The other teams we're playing against don't get their analysis from MOTD, so where's the practical benefit?
I don't think there is any but it has been nice in the last few weeks hearing commentators and pundits finally catch on to how fucking good Rogers is after not seeming to notice for a while.
I've just been on a call with a guy in Poland and he said this weekend was the first time he'd watched us this season and, on the back of it, he can't understand why there isn't a lot more 'noise' around our players because, to him, we look like a title challenger.
Post by: Baldy on October 21, 2024, 09:09:01 AM
Again, what does 'under the radar' mean, in any meaningful way, for a football club currently playing in the Premier League and the Champions League?
It means 'unnoticed'.
95% of the praise is for Unai Emery. As if he is doing a magnificent job with a bunch of misfits!!!
The quality, strength and conviction of the squad is not getting the recognition it deserves.
Right, sure, but it's still unclear to me why it matters? The other teams we're playing against don't get their analysis from MOTD, so where's the practical benefit?
With a name like Monty, I'm amazed you don't know what flying under the radar is. :)
I'm referring to the media in general. It matters in a practical way because it is taking a lot of the pressure off our players and less distraction. Let the media focus on the demise of Man Utd, Chelsea's crazy dealings, Liverpool without Goofy, Angeball, Peps future, Arsenal being Arses etc whilst we focus 100% on winning the next match.
Post by: Monty on October 21, 2024, 09:18:10 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 21, 2024, 09:18:18 AM
Again, what does 'under the radar' mean, in any meaningful way, for a football club currently playing in the Premier League and the Champions League?
Practically, ‘under the radar’ means less money from sponsors.
Personally, it means my very nice colleague at work, a Chelsea’s fan originally from Zimbabwe, saying shit like ‘Villa are doing well, you must hope the big clubs don’t take your players’.
He’s a lovely man, he’s been here for a couple of years tops and I pushed to get him a full contract at work because he’s so hard-working and pleasant, so I tolerate his glory-hunting ways much more easily than I do others’, but fuck me it’s annoying.
Post by: Monty on October 21, 2024, 09:25:34 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 21, 2024, 09:35:16 AM
Post by: Baldy on October 21, 2024, 09:57:28 AM
There's obviously a conspiracy to deny us credit. I can't believe more people don't see it.
It really p*sses me off that a team like Man Utd, after 11 years of mediocrity, still grab the headlines. Is 11 years not long enough!! How long will be enough?
The media are keeping their sponsors happy and keeping them afloat.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 21, 2024, 03:00:34 PM
It also helped that the utter Buffoon Richards was nowhere to be seen (although Shearer was still about) and replace by the far more amiable and professional Mr Given.
Post by: Dogtanian on October 21, 2024, 03:09:10 PM
I saw MOTD on Saturday and for once I thought they got the batting order of matches in terms of interest, incidents and importance correct.
It also helped that the utter Buffoon Richards was nowhere to be seen (although Shearer was still about) and replace by the far more amiable and professional Mr Given.
I don't mind Shearer on Match of the Day. I don't mind Given either, but I was laughing at his analysis of us seeming to focus our attacks down the left because Emery must have identified a weakness on Fulham's right. He also spotted that Cash must have been told to keep back.
Post by: VillaTim on October 21, 2024, 03:09:18 PM
Post by: olaftab on October 21, 2024, 03:10:49 PM
Maybe we should have a camouflaged kit.We had a camouflaged team in 15/16 season.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 21, 2024, 03:12:26 PM
Still think we should of been on before Spurs . We are above them . Our game had 4 goals , 2 red cards , a pen , a pen save . It was also a pretty good game .
To be fair their game was pretty eventful. I mean a game where I actually felt sorry for Richarlasen is a first. And probably only.
I suppose the tie break was they have coaches who were under a lot of pressure whereas there is no such narrative with Fulham and Villa.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 21, 2024, 03:16:32 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 21, 2024, 03:18:11 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 21, 2024, 04:31:11 PM
Again, what does 'under the radar' mean, in any meaningful way, for a football club currently playing in the Premier League and the Champions League?
It means 'unnoticed'.
95% of the praise is for Unai Emery. As if he is doing a magnificent job with a bunch of misfits!!!
The quality, strength and conviction of the squad is not getting the recognition it deserves.
Right, sure, but it's still unclear to me why it matters? The other teams we're playing against don't get their analysis from MOTD, so where's the practical benefit?
I don't think there is any but it has been nice in the last few weeks hearing commentators and pundits finally catch on to how fucking good Rogers is after not seeming to notice for a while.
I've just been on a call with a guy in Poland and he said this weekend was the first time he'd watched us this season and, on the back of it, he can't understand why there isn't a lot more 'noise' around our players because, to him, we look like a title challenger.
it's been nicer to not hear "it's only a matter of time before a top, top club comes in for him" when was the last time Sherwood got a stint at MOTD?
Post by: Drummond on October 21, 2024, 04:36:05 PM
Maybe we should have a camouflaged kit.
I couldn't see us doing that.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 21, 2024, 04:36:38 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 21, 2024, 04:44:13 PM
Post by: Monty on October 21, 2024, 04:44:26 PM
Maybe we should have a camouflaged kit.
I couldn't see us doing that.
If there's meant to be a joke in there I've missed it.
Post by: The Edge on October 21, 2024, 04:49:25 PM
Again, what does 'under the radar' mean, in any meaningful way, for a football club currently playing in the Premier League and the Champions League?It's keeping the pressure off the boys as we quietly go unnoticed in our quest for a Premier League and Champions League double. So keep it under your hat please.
This message will self destruct in 10, 9, 8, 7, ......
Post by: Olneythelonely on October 21, 2024, 07:35:50 PM
I mean, I could quote myself but I won't. The attention we're given isn't dependent on our form, but on our popularity. We're not very popular in comparison to Chelsea and Man Utd.
I think you’ll just have to keep saying it. Even the hipster podcasts, who pretend to have superior knowledge (“Have you read my book ‘How the Christmas Tree formation started in Bolivia in 1976’?”) don’t try to say anything interesting.
People just don’t tend to choose our games to watch at the moment, if it’s not on Sky or TNT they’re watching highlights and that’s it.
As you say, there’s no conspiracy, we’re just not interesting enough to enough people at the moment. I genuinely couldn’t give a fuck either way.
Post by: coreyfeldman on October 21, 2024, 09:28:51 PM
The Athletic writer for us is decent and Guardian podcast has been pretty decent to us recently IMO.
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on October 21, 2024, 09:31:17 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 21, 2024, 09:33:34 PM
our English players are never chosen for their national team
Well, apart from seventy-seven of them.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 21, 2024, 09:46:42 PM
our English players are never chosen for their national team
Well, apart from seventy-seven of them.
I suspect a couple more will be joining them before the end of next year.
Post by: The Edge on October 21, 2024, 10:57:13 PM
We used to hold the record for players making their England debuts while at the club up until not that long ago. Not sure if that still stands.our English players are never chosen for their national team
Well, apart from seventy-seven of them.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 21, 2024, 11:09:42 PM
http://www.englandfootballonline.com/teamclubs/MostPlyrs.html
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 22, 2024, 01:21:30 AM
We used to hold the record for players making their England debuts while at the club up until not that long ago. Not sure if that still stands.our English players are never chosen for their national team
Well, apart from seventy-seven of them.
We might have the record for England debuts, I don’t know. But we’re second in the number of England international players, we had that record for years.
Post by: Accent Guy on October 22, 2024, 06:55:57 AM
We used to hold the record for players making their England debuts while at the club up until not that long ago. Not sure if that still stands.our English players are never chosen for their national team
Well, apart from seventy-seven of them.
We might have the record for England debuts, I don’t know. But we’re second in the number of England international players, we had that record for years.
Interesting that whilst we are second for number of players provided, we are only 8th in terms of total appearances, meaning our average appearances per player is just 6, whereas Spurs average is over 13. We seem to have a lot of players picked just a couple of times it seems.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2024, 08:14:40 AM
Post by: paul_e on October 22, 2024, 10:45:58 AM
Down to second, now. Still not too bad considering we were absolutely shite for nearly a decade.
http://www.englandfootballonline.com/teamclubs/MostPlyrs.html
What that shows though is that even though our players do get called up and get the odd cap they're rarely trusted to be regulars with the average being just 6 caps compared to 20 for Man U players, 16 for Liverpool and firmly into double figures for all the 'big 6'. It feels, to me, like Villa players get picked when the manager has no way of ignoring them any more, then they get a couple of caps in either nothing games or for 10mins as a sub before slowly being dropped out of the squad or leaving to give themselves a better chance to get more caps/trophies.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 22, 2024, 10:49:18 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2024, 10:51:28 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on October 22, 2024, 10:58:00 AM
I think maybe Man U and Liverpool players get more caps because they've tended to be better than us for many decades.
Indeed when was our last nailed on starter for England. Delph was a regular during the post Golden Shite drains up for a year or two. Platt obviously but even that was only 1 season and some change. Barry in and out of squad. Milner became a squad regular.
Southgate probably.
Post by: Monty on October 22, 2024, 11:08:00 AM
Post by: Small Rodent on October 22, 2024, 11:08:01 AM
Post by: paul_e on October 22, 2024, 11:09:16 AM
Or you might be overthinking it Paul.
Not really, the sample size is big enough that it's statistically significant so there's no doubt that players at clubs around us (in terms of relative size and performance over our history) on average receive far more England caps than ours do. Whatever the reason there are plenty of Villa players who have either not gotten the recognition at all or who have been given a fraction of the caps they should've - https://www.englandstats.com/club.php?cid=5 (https://www.englandstats.com/club.php?cid=5)
I don't have a problem with us being less than some of those clubs but the amount of players on the list for us that get 1 or 2 caps is noticeable.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 22, 2024, 11:47:13 AM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on October 22, 2024, 11:48:07 AM
The worst period was the early 80s, Coppell instead of Morley etc.
And how many of our 1982 European Champions played in the 1982 World Cup? Even the Scottish players.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 22, 2024, 11:52:59 AM
They've all been out to get you. No other explanation.
Post by: LeeB on October 22, 2024, 11:59:43 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 22, 2024, 12:16:14 PM
Back in the day they used to pick random Spurs/Chelsea/QPR/West Ham players just to try and get a bigger crowd into Wembley, I'm convinced of it.
There's a lot of truth in that. Especially when it's backed up by the London centric press who would promote any player from the capital who could drop a shoulder to world class.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2024, 12:22:25 PM
Anyway, I reckon we have reason to complain about the international representation of our early 80s squad, though Shaw and Cowans would surely have won more caps if not for injuries. I imagine most teams can point to players who could have won more caps, though. Steve Bruce... zero caps.
Don't think we have too much to complain about lately. Watkins is probably England's second best striker and I reckon he has the second most minutes of any England striker in the last couple of years. Konsa has got a fair few caps, and so did Mings before he got injured.
Rogers, maybe, but he's still young and England have millions of players in his position. If the England manager decides to pick arguably the best player in La Liga and the PFA Player of the Year ahead of him, it isn't evidence of an all-encompassing anti-Villa conspiracy.
They've also tended to be incredibly successful in the last eight years, so perhaps the manager was picking the right players.
Post by: Dave on October 22, 2024, 01:17:48 PM
Or you might be overthinking it Paul.
Not really, the sample size is big enough that it's statistically significant so there's no doubt that players at clubs around us (in terms of relative size and performance over our history) on average receive far more England caps than ours do. Whatever the reason there are plenty of Villa players who have either not gotten the recognition at all or who have been given a fraction of the caps they should've - https://www.englandstats.com/club.php?cid=5 (https://www.englandstats.com/club.php?cid=5)
I don't have a problem with us being less than some of those clubs but the amount of players on the list for us that get 1 or 2 caps is noticeable.
But if you dig deeper into the reasons why this might be the case, there are better ones than "well, they must just hate Villa for some unexplained reason".
As an example, 33 of the 77 Villa players capped for England had their entire international career before 1930, so nearly fifty years of internationals when it was virtually unheard of to have more than three matches in a year. So we will have a much higher proportion of players compared to other clubs for whom there weren't many matches in which to get capped. Which will bring the average cap-per-player down significantly.
Another one - our most capped England player is Southgate with 42. Then Barry on 29, then Vassell and Platt on 22. So compared to (the obvious) Spurs, they have Kane on 84 to massively pull the average up for all their one / two / three caps of their own. If you then look at the glut of players with 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 caps, Lineker, Gascoigne, Defoe, Robinson, Campbell, Sheringham, Greaves, Hoddle, Waddle, Alli, Mullery, Peters - there aren't many in there that you'd wonder why they were being picked.
Even the sort of player which I can imagine would be thrown back as "well, what about this guy though?", Eric Dier has more England caps than any Villa player in history. But he's spent most of the last ten years (and his entire England career) as first choice in a defence that was nearly always in the top six and regularly playing in the latter stages of the Champions League. Why wouldn't someone who was doing that at club level be getting picked for England quite a few times?
Looking at the list you provided, there are obviously the late 70s / early 80s crop, but beyond that - Barry when England needed a left-footer. Grealish (although I still think that was a bit overblown). Maybe Konsa a bit earlier than he was. Bent not going to the 2012 Euros perhaps? I might have forgotten someone obvious, but I'm struggling to think of anything ridiculous in the thirty odd years I've been watching.
And you can even counter that a bit, by how surprised even a lot of Villa fans were by the frequency Heskey and Vassell were being picked based on what they were doing for us.
Edit - incidentally, we've had 29 players with "1 or 2 caps". Spurs have had 27.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 22, 2024, 03:34:41 PM
The worst period was the early 80s, Coppell instead of Morley etc.
No problem with Coppell on right wing - Graham Rix on the left wing instead of Morley was outrageous
Post by: rob_bridge on October 22, 2024, 03:35:44 PM
The worst period was the early 80s, Coppell instead of Morley etc.
And how many of our 1982 European Champions played in the 1982 World Cup? Even the Scottish players.
Alan Evans only one I think. Scotland had unwritten rule to not have more than half players outside their league
Post by: rob_bridge on October 22, 2024, 03:36:26 PM
Back in the day they used to pick random Spurs/Chelsea/QPR/West Ham players just to try and get a bigger crowd into Wembley, I'm convinced of it.
Often the claim especially the night games back then.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 22, 2024, 03:37:55 PM
Graham Gooch used to pick the star player of whichever county was playing Essex as England sub, so they couldn't play against Essex. The Apartheid-loving twat.
Anyway, I reckon we have reason to complain about the international representation of our early 80s squad, though Shaw and Cowans would surely have won more caps if not for injuries. I imagine most teams can point to players who could have won more caps, though. Steve Bruce... zero caps.
Don't think we have too much to complain about lately. Watkins is probably England's second best striker and I reckon he has the second most minutes of any England striker in the last couple of years. Konsa has got a fair few caps, and so did Mings before he got injured.
Rogers, maybe, but he's still young and England have millions of players in his position. If the England manager decides to pick arguably the best player in La Liga and the PFA Player of the Year ahead of him, it isn't evidence of an all-encompassing anti-Villa conspiracy.
They've also tended to be incredibly successful in the last eight years, so perhaps the manager was picking the right players.
Rogers and Ramsey are close under normal circumstances. They aren't normal circumstances due to pletheroa of quality in advanced positions.
Post by: ventnorVillain on October 22, 2024, 04:04:36 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 22, 2024, 04:12:14 PM
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2024, 04:16:40 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 22, 2024, 04:17:48 PM
I don't know what you've provided there, but it sure isn't proof of anything.
I thought you'd be all all over this given how the sons of Shropshire fare, I can't remember the last time a Shrewsbury player was called up. It stinks.
Post by: AV82EC on October 22, 2024, 04:18:10 PM
I don't know what you've provided there, but it sure isn't proof of anything.
Other than Ron Greenwood was effing useless, a total FA yes man and it’s been documented totally biased towards players from London clubs including Rix, Devonshire etc etc. the Rix over Morley decision for the 82 World Cup beggars belief.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 22, 2024, 04:20:10 PM
I don't know what you've provided there, but it sure isn't proof of anything.
I thought you'd be all all over this given how the sons of Shropshire fare, I can't remember the last time a Shrewsbury player was called up. It stinks.
Sons of Shropshire were always popular with the England setup after Billy Wright had a couple of good games. Joe Hart damaged us badly.
Post by: Monty on October 22, 2024, 04:22:05 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 22, 2024, 04:23:00 PM
Edit: posted before I'd read Monty's above.
Post by: LeeB on October 22, 2024, 04:29:13 PM
I think it's just as fanciful to imagine there isn't favouritism, cronyism, blazerism and just good old pig laziness as it is to imagine there are elaborate anti-Villa conspiracies.
Yes, this.
He may be a whingeing twat with a Gail Tyldesley chin but, much like a stopped clock, Gary O'Neill was right when he said of course there's no conspiracy against Wulvz (except for from the international fashion manufacturers looking to protect their brand value, but I digress), but there sure as shit is unconcious bias.
If that goal on Sunday was in Manchester and was scored by Wulvz, I firmly believe they'd have ruled it out.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 22, 2024, 04:34:04 PM
I think it's just as fanciful to imagine there isn't favouritism, cronyism, blazerism and just good old pig laziness as it is to imagine there are elaborate anti-Villa conspiracies.
Yes, this.
He may be a whingeing twat with a Gail Tyldesley chin but, much like a stopped clock, Gary O'Neill was right when he said of course there's no conspiracy against Wulvz (except for from the international fashion manufacturers looking to protect their brand value, but I digress), but there sure as shit is unconcious bias.
If that goal on Sunday was in Manchester and was scored by Wulvz, I firmly believe they'd have ruled it out.
No way does that stand as winner o equaliser v Cit-eh at the emptihad
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 22, 2024, 04:44:19 PM
I think it's just as fanciful to imagine there isn't favouritism, cronyism, blazerism and just good old pig laziness as it is to imagine there are elaborate anti-Villa conspiracies.
Yes, this.
He may be a whingeing twat with a Gail Tyldesley chin but, much like a stopped clock, Gary O'Neill was right when he said of course there's no conspiracy against Wulvz (except for from the international fashion manufacturers looking to protect their brand value, but I digress), but there sure as shit is unconcious bias.
If that goal on Sunday was in Manchester and was scored by Wulvz, I firmly believe they'd have ruled it out.
Yes, this unquestionably exists. And if anyone wants to organise an anti-Wulfs conspiracy please do send me a pm.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 22, 2024, 04:57:31 PM
I think it's just as fanciful to imagine there isn't favouritism, cronyism, blazerism and just good old pig laziness as it is to imagine there are elaborate anti-Villa conspiracies.
Yes, this.
He may be a whingeing twat with a Gail Tyldesley chin but, much like a stopped clock, Gary O'Neill was right when he said of course there's no conspiracy against Wulvz (except for from the international fashion manufacturers looking to protect their brand value, but I digress), but there sure as shit is unconcious bias.
If that goal on Sunday was in Manchester and was scored by Wulvz, I firmly believe they'd have ruled it out.
Yes, this unquestionably exists. And if anyone wants to organise an anti-Wulfs conspiracy please do send me a pm.
Of course it exists I've known since that twat reffing our game at Chelsea some years ago...the one who booked the same player twice and didn't show him a red in a world cup finals match, his name escapes me. All smiles he was to Chelsea players awarding them a free kick, like a snarling rabid dog to ours when they questioned the position of the ball in relation to the offence.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 22, 2024, 05:00:08 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 22, 2024, 05:05:51 PM
I think it's just as fanciful to imagine there isn't favouritism, cronyism, blazerism and just good old pig laziness as it is to imagine there are elaborate anti-Villa conspiracies.
Yes, this.
He may be a whingeing twat with a Gail Tyldesley chin but, much like a stopped clock, Gary O'Neill was right when he said of course there's no conspiracy against Wulvz (except for from the international fashion manufacturers looking to protect their brand value, but I digress), but there sure as shit is unconcious bias.
If that goal on Sunday was in Manchester and was scored by Wulvz, I firmly believe they'd have ruled it out.
Yes, this unquestionably exists. And if anyone wants to organise an anti-Wulfs conspiracy please do send me a pm.
Of course it exists I've known since that twat reffing our game at Chelsea some years ago...the one who booked the same player twice and didn't show him a red in a world cup finals match, his name escapes me. All smiles he was to Chelsea players awarding them a free kick, like a snarling rabid dog to ours when they questioned the position of the ball in relation to the offence.
Mark Halsey whispering sweet nothings into Thierry Henry's ear was another one.
Years later when lestening to him on Talksport he openly stated that he went into games with pre-conceived opinions about players and said with great certainty "for example, I know Cesc Fabregas doesn't dive". I think it was Stewart Robson on the same show and he was incredulous at that statement.
Post by: Monty on October 22, 2024, 05:14:53 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 22, 2024, 05:26:23 PM
This one might offend some I guess, but as some cops are bullies so are some refs, and just as a bully cop will get the same thrill from sticking the finger in the face of the poor kid off the estate as from laughing and joking and doffing his cap with the judge he lets off speeding with a caution, so does a certain type of referee when dealing with the famous and the less famous. Something in a bully loves hierarchies, loves their place in them.
There must be something in this, but I also think a lot of it is down to the selection process, and yes we can all find reasons to think the ref is a wanker at any given time involving our dearly beloved and entirely innocent heroes, but how many of these people appear to be genuine bellends too? It seems a high percentage. I can't really think of any that I've heard from outside of the game that's made me think 'oh, actually he seems a decent bloke'.
And just to clarify I'm talking about the professional refs only.
Post by: lovejoy on October 22, 2024, 05:45:17 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 22, 2024, 05:45:52 PM
Post by: Drummond on October 22, 2024, 05:48:49 PM
Maybe we should have a camouflaged kit.
I couldn't see us doing that.
If there's meant to be a joke in there I've missed it.
Welli couldn't ever imagine we'd wear camouflage.. And if we did I wouldn't be able to see us....
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 22, 2024, 06:12:46 PM
Volunteer Sunday morning boys football linesmen, on the other hand, are invariably great blokes.
Especially when they're doing their job and all the 'soccer moms' there aren't distracting them by trying to get their number.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 22, 2024, 06:24:35 PM
Volunteer Sunday morning boys football linesmen, on the other hand, are invariably great blokes.
Especially when they're doing their job and all the 'soccer moms' there aren't distracting them by trying to get their number.
They’ve all got mine.
(It’s a group thing).
They have a moms only WhatsApp group as well. Apparently, the names of the manager, assistant manager and linesman* were mud when training was cancelled because we and half the team went to the Bayern game.
*me
Post by: basavfc on October 22, 2024, 11:46:24 PM
This one might offend some I guess, but as some cops are bullies so are some refs, and just as a bully cop will get the same thrill from sticking the finger in the face of the poor kid off the estate as from laughing and joking and doffing his cap with the judge he lets off speeding with a caution, so does a certain type of referee when dealing with the famous and the less famous. Something in a bully loves hierarchies, loves their place in them.
Well said and true
Post by: KevinGage on October 22, 2024, 11:53:08 PM
This one might offend some I guess, but as some cops are bullies so are some refs, and just as a bully cop will get the same thrill from sticking the finger in the face of the poor kid off the estate as from laughing and joking and doffing his cap with the judge he lets off speeding with a caution, so does a certain type of referee when dealing with the famous and the less famous. Something in a bully loves hierarchies, loves their place in them.
There's a bit of this.
There's also older obvious cases of Halsey, Poll, Clattenburg and co wanting to be mates with some of the big name players.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 22, 2024, 11:54:14 PM
The worst period was the early 80s, Coppell instead of Morley etc.
And how many of our 1982 European Champions played in the 1982 World Cup? Even the Scottish players.
Alan Evans only one I think. Scotland had unwritten rule to not have more than half players outside their league
No they didn't.
Post by: paul_e on October 23, 2024, 06:40:55 AM
This one might offend some I guess, but as some cops are bullies so are some refs, and just as a bully cop will get the same thrill from sticking the finger in the face of the poor kid off the estate as from laughing and joking and doffing his cap with the judge he lets off speeding with a caution, so does a certain type of referee when dealing with the famous and the less famous. Something in a bully loves hierarchies, loves their place in them.
There's a bit of this.
There's also older obvious cases of Halsey, Poll, Clattenburg and co wanting to be mates with some of the big name players.
That's exactly the same thing though, pricks to the ' lesser' players and mates with the greats.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 23, 2024, 06:48:18 AM
The worst period was the early 80s, Coppell instead of Morley etc.
And how many of our 1982 European Champions played in the 1982 World Cup? Even the Scottish players.
Alan Evans only one I think. Scotland had unwritten rule to not have more than half players outside their league
No they didn't.
Evans played v NZ then was replaced by Miller. That was it.
No other Scots were picked. No Cowans, No Morley, No Shaw in England squad. Players England were crying out for in that 2nd phase. Waited for injured Brooking and Keegan instead along with Graham Rix. Madness
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 23, 2024, 10:14:52 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on October 23, 2024, 11:28:41 PM
No. Ah, well.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 23, 2024, 11:32:52 PM
Don't forget Champions League MOTD coming up in a few minutes. If we aren't on first, Villa Tim will spontaneously combust.
I'm pleased to say we are on before Spurs.
Post by: VillaTim on October 23, 2024, 11:35:25 PM
Post by: The Edge on October 23, 2024, 11:41:53 PM
Even Celtic on before us . Not like we're top of the league or anything.They played tonight. It's exactly what you'd expect. Just watching now and they're having a big discussion about us. Morgan Rogers getting star treatment and a great insight into Unai Emery's methods. No other club recieved such in depth analysis. You seem determined to be offended by motd.
Post by: SaddVillan on October 23, 2024, 11:45:57 PM
Then a nice 2 mins 59 on Rogers brilliance and Unai's obsession.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 24, 2024, 12:04:11 AM
Post by: purpletrousers on October 24, 2024, 12:06:31 AM
Even Celtic on before us . Not like we're top of the league or anything.
😂
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 24, 2024, 12:07:11 AM
The worst period was the early 80s, Coppell instead of Morley etc.
And how many of our 1982 European Champions played in the 1982 World Cup? Even the Scottish players.
Alan Evans only one I think. Scotland had unwritten rule to not have more than half players outside their league
No they didn't.
Evans played v NZ then was replaced by Miller. That was it.
No other Scots were picked. No Cowans, No Morley, No Shaw in England squad. Players England were crying out for in that 2nd phase. Waited for injured Brooking and Keegan instead along with Graham Rix. Madness
I wasn't disagreeing with that, I was disagreeing with your assertion that Scotland had a rule, unwritten or otherwise, that over half the squad had to be from the Scottish league. A cursory glance at the Scotland squads from that period reveals it to be incorrect.
Post by: purpletrousers on October 24, 2024, 12:07:35 AM
Even Celtic on before us . Not like we're top of the league or anything.They played tonight. It's exactly what you'd expect. Just watching now and they're having a big discussion about us. Morgan Rogers getting star treatment and a great insight into Unai Emery's methods. No other club recieved such in depth analysis. You seem determined to be offended by motd.
Mods forgive my emoji. Sometimes there are no words. What he said ⬆️
Post by: Rory on October 24, 2024, 12:13:50 AM
Even Celtic on before us . Not like we're top of the league or anything.
Tim, I really reckon you need to start thinking about something else. This preoccupation with how we're represented in the media can't be doing your health any good.
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 24, 2024, 12:16:25 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 24, 2024, 12:16:50 AM
2 mins 56 seconds of match coverage.
Then a nice 2 mins 59 on Rogers brilliance and Unai's obsession.
I thought the went above and beyond. Nice to see for a change and it shows that if you keep winning with style and with exciting players they can’t keep ignoring you.
Post by: Rory on October 24, 2024, 12:31:50 AM
What's the obsession with being on immediately, anyway? Does VillaTim go to gigs and start complaining if the support band are on first? "I want Phil Collins and I want him now!"
Nobody could want that, CD.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 24, 2024, 12:33:33 AM
2 mins 56 seconds of match coverage.
Then a nice 2 mins 59 on Rogers brilliance and Unai's obsession.
I thought the went above and beyond. Nice to see for a change and it shows that if you keep winning with style and with exciting players they can’t keep ignoring you.
Especially as they had both ours and Arses matches on and only went back to ours. I suspect as we had two Emery cheerleaders in the studio, that helped. Bigging up Rogers more and more as well.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 24, 2024, 12:36:32 AM
What's the obsession with being on immediately, anyway? Does VillaTim go to gigs and start complaining if the support band are on first? "I want Phil Collins and I want him now!"
Nobody could want that, CD.
True, you can't hurry love...
Post by: Rory on October 24, 2024, 12:45:32 AM
What's the obsession with being on immediately, anyway? Does VillaTim go to gigs and start complaining if the support band are on first? "I want Phil Collins and I want him now!"
Nobody could want that, CD.
True, you can't hurry love...
I presume that's a Phil Collins song.
I daren't Google it after the time a few months ago I Googled the lyrics to the Billy Boys and Youtube took that as an opportunity to 'suggest' me videos of Orange Order marches every time I went on for the next two months.
(They can make a fierce racket with only drums and flutes, especially when they're after passing a Catholic church.)
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 24, 2024, 12:51:53 AM
Post by: Rory on October 24, 2024, 01:46:43 AM
The Supremes version is good. Just listen to that instead.
Just checked it and you're right.
Still prefer The Crystals, though.
Post by: dave shelley on October 24, 2024, 07:30:28 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 24, 2024, 09:20:24 AM
What's the obsession with being on immediately, anyway? Does VillaTim go to gigs and start complaining if the support band are on first? "I want Phil Collins and I want him now!"
Nobody could want that, CD.
Yes I would think twice about going if that were the case.
Post by: Louzie0 on October 24, 2024, 01:13:54 PM
I personally don't give a fiddler's where in the order we're on. We could be in the Championship, or lower, ;) when we wouldn't be on at all.
True, and they said goodbye with a huge picture of a smiling Jhon Duran behind them at the end. Nice!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 01, 2024, 12:41:57 PM
Post by: eamonn on November 01, 2024, 02:30:23 PM
The Supremes version is good. Just listen to that instead.
Just checked it and you're right.
Still prefer The Crystals, though.
Meth?-odists or pure Protestant?
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on November 02, 2024, 10:39:31 PM
Post by: Dave on November 02, 2024, 10:44:40 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 02, 2024, 11:04:31 PM
I just want to register my fury about the BBC and Gary Lineker conspiring to not show us AT ALL tonight because of Their Agenda Against Us.
Scandalous isn’t it.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 02, 2024, 11:23:28 PM
Post by: KevinGage on November 03, 2024, 02:00:56 AM
Richards saying you can't carry passengers in the Premier League. Wow.
Licence payer funded gibberish again from Mi ca ca ca. Same as it ever was.
Nice to see Ant McPartlin go the full Ronseal ahead of the US election too. He may or may not be under instruction from those benign Saudi dictators and allround Great Lads who fund tha Jawdie peepul now.
But you'd think these pale fellas with all their $ would have advisors who can recommend a better calibre of fake tan. As a bare minimum.
Post by: The Edge on November 03, 2024, 08:13:52 AM
More importantly. Why would any rational person want to dye their skin a different colour?Richards saying you can't carry passengers in the Premier League. Wow.
Licence payer funded gibberish again from Mi ca ca ca. Same as it ever was.
Nice to see Ant McPartlin go the full Ronseal ahead of the US election too. He may or may not be under instruction from those benign Saudi dictators and allround Great Lads who fund tha Jawdie peepul now.
But you'd think these pale fellas with all their $ would have advisors who can recommend a better calibre of fake tan. As a bare minimum.
Post by: Mister E on November 03, 2024, 09:30:44 AM
Tomorrow I heard the Spurs match might be on first.Nah, Yanited vs Chelski
Post by: Nev on November 03, 2024, 09:35:29 AM
Post by: baddowvillans on November 03, 2024, 12:24:53 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 03, 2024, 12:40:27 PM
You may scoff but I had 5Live on yesterday afternoon and they continually referenced teams that "could go above Arsenal".....
Also, without going full Tim*, I noted two things in the aftermath of our victory against Bologna.
- The morning after Liverpool won, the sports guy on BBC Breakfast said something like "Liverpool won against RB Leipzig to maintain their perfect start to their Champions League campaign, one of only two two teams to do so." Obviously no mention of the other team.
- The BBC Text service had 9 or 10 stories in in its Football Headlines. No mention of our win but there was a story on Girona winning their CL game. Maybe it's just because Girona are more popular in the UK than Villa.
*Never go full Tim.
Post by: VillaTim on November 03, 2024, 04:35:02 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 03, 2024, 04:49:42 PM
To rub salt in the wounds we'll be on first tonight. Not watching .
Will also give it a miss, Picnic at Hanging Rock is on at 10.05pm.
Post by: VillaTim on November 03, 2024, 05:41:58 PM
anything but MOTD tonight , i'm sure Danny Murphy will show up . I'd happily watch the test card for 60 mins insteadTo rub salt in the wounds we'll be on first tonight. Not watching .
Will also give it a miss, Picnic at Hanging Rock is on at 10.05pm.
Post by: eamonn on November 03, 2024, 06:35:21 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 03, 2024, 08:00:01 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 03, 2024, 08:06:36 PM
Post by: Clampy on November 05, 2024, 07:57:36 AM
Wasn't expecting to see the new Rúben Amorim biopic take up a large chunk of BBC News Sportsday segment. The only thing it lacked was a choir in the background proclaiming How Great Thou Art.
The BBC are totally obsessed with Man Utd. They must think they are all football fans want to hear about.
Post by: Somniloquism on November 05, 2024, 08:05:08 AM
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on November 09, 2024, 11:05:40 PM
Post by: olaftab on November 09, 2024, 11:13:32 PM
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on November 09, 2024, 11:18:09 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 10, 2024, 12:02:38 AM
Post by: Cliftonville Villlain on November 10, 2024, 12:17:36 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 10, 2024, 12:24:27 AM
Pornodwarf still looks like a dick in that hat.
I'm not a lawyer, are you allowed to wear hats in court?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 10, 2024, 05:21:11 AM
We were on 2nd. Main focus was on our undoing at our own set pieces. And both incidents weren’t penalties apparently.
Well, Lineker thought the Watkins one was, and all agreed that the foul given against him was ridiculous, while the discussion of the Torres one centred around sort of mocking the idea that the shirt pull was ‘not sustained’.
Post by: OCD on November 10, 2024, 11:42:12 AM
Post by: Mister E on November 10, 2024, 12:07:10 PM
It's ok to pull the shirt a little bit apparently.Tell that to Kamara who was yellow-carded for doing it in the centre circle later on.
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 11, 2024, 01:41:37 AM
Incidentally, when Ollie got clattered and admittedly exaggerated the heavy contact and a free-kick was actually given AGAINST him, why wasn't he booked by the serially incompetent Coote for diving?
Post by: jon collett on November 11, 2024, 04:26:03 PM
Absolutely.
Incidentally, when Ollie got clattered and admittedly exaggerated the heavy contact and a free-kick was actually given AGAINST him, why wasn't he booked by the serially incompetent Coote for diving?
Because Coote signalled the foul was given for Watkins elbowing the Liverpool defender.
I do wonder in the light of todays revelations whether Coote was being blackmailed.
Post by: LeeB on November 11, 2024, 05:10:29 PM
Absolutely.
Incidentally, when Ollie got clattered and admittedly exaggerated the heavy contact and a free-kick was actually given AGAINST him, why wasn't he booked by the serially incompetent Coote for diving?
Because Coote signalled the foul was given for Watkins elbowing the Liverpool defender.
I do wonder in the light of todays revelations whether Coote was being blackmailed.
Without putting my tin foil hat on, in ordinary circumstances Coote's rather strange performance on Saturday coupled with today's news would ring alarm bells, but as it was him it was perfectly consistent with his previous performances.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 11, 2024, 07:31:52 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 11, 2024, 07:43:08 PM
Gary Lineker stepping down from MOTD at the end of the season. :(what a shame , hope he takes Murphy with him
Post by: Demitri_C on November 11, 2024, 07:43:46 PM
Gary Lineker stepping down from MOTD at the end of the season. :(
Cant see who they get to replace him. If its the guy does MOTD 2 i wont be watching anymore
Id like to see jeff stelling get the gig
Post by: VillaTim on November 11, 2024, 07:48:33 PM
Jenas was being groomed til he blotted his copy bookGary Lineker stepping down from MOTD at the end of the season. :(
Cant see who they get to replace him. If its the guy does MOTD 2 i wont be watching anymore
Id like to see jeff stelling get the gig
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2024, 07:49:41 PM
'Next up are those bastards Liverpool'.
Seriously, I don't mind Lineker. He's had a good run on it though.
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 11, 2024, 07:52:28 PM
Post by: eamonn on November 11, 2024, 07:54:43 PM
Post by: Clampy on November 11, 2024, 07:58:35 PM
I generally skip to the football but will watch if they're talking about Villa and we've won (I only watch if we've won). When I have seen him he always comes across as pretty good at his job, able to talk knowledgeably without trying to take over the entire conversation. Plus he annoys bigoted twats by not being a bigoted twat. Good lad, IMO.
Yes, I was going to say he manages to annoy the right people.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 11, 2024, 08:00:35 PM
I generally skip to the football but will watch if they're talking about Villa and we've won (I only watch if we've won). When I have seen him he always comes across as pretty good at his job, able to talk knowledgeably without trying to take over the entire conversation. Plus he annoys bigoted twats by not being a bigoted twat. Good lad, IMO.
This post could have been scooped from my brain. I genuinely don't understand anyone wanting to watch when we've lost.
Post by: VillaTim on November 11, 2024, 08:18:15 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on November 11, 2024, 08:43:55 PM
Yes. Same for me.I generally skip to the football but will watch if they're talking about Villa and we've won (I only watch if we've won). When I have seen him he always comes across as pretty good at his job, able to talk knowledgeably without trying to take over the entire conversation. Plus he annoys bigoted twats by not being a bigoted twat. Good lad, IMO.
Yes, I was going to say he manages to annoy the right people.
Post by: Lizz on November 11, 2024, 08:48:51 PM
Post by: Mister E on November 11, 2024, 10:17:53 PM
Gary Lineker stepping down from MOTD at the end of the season. :(... and welcome to Micah Richards as new host!...
... they might, you know!
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 11, 2024, 10:24:01 PM
Post by: purpletrousers on November 11, 2024, 10:30:47 PM
I generally skip to the football but will watch if they're talking about Villa and we've won (I only watch if we've won). When I have seen him he always comes across as pretty good at his job, able to talk knowledgeably without trying to take over the entire conversation. Plus he annoys bigoted twats by not being a bigoted twat. Good lad, IMO.
This post could have been scooped from my brain. I genuinely don't understand anyone wanting to watch when we've lost.
To quote three Aniruddhas in the (Buddhist) Pali Canon:
“ We are different in body, venerable sir, but one in mind”
Post by: VillaTim on November 11, 2024, 10:43:06 PM
His puns have always been world-class. Sad day.yes never cheesy , smarmy bollocks at all . Bye
Post by: Steve kirk on November 11, 2024, 10:50:02 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 11, 2024, 11:08:50 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 12, 2024, 12:02:25 AM
Jenas was being groomed til he blotted his copy bookGary Lineker stepping down from MOTD at the end of the season. :(
Cant see who they get to replace him. If its the guy does MOTD 2 i wont be watching anymore
Id like to see jeff stelling get the gig
Phew!
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 12, 2024, 08:31:47 AM
Alex Scott would be horrific but does tick the BBC boxes
Oh, VT, you daft misogynist racist.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 12, 2024, 08:44:05 AM
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2024, 09:12:37 AM
Alex Scott would be horrific but does tick the BBC boxes
Oh, VT, you daft misogynist racist.
He's got a point though. There's a very good chance it will be her, and she is exceptionally shit. Not that I care, I only fast forward to the Villa bits when we win.
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 12, 2024, 09:19:27 AM
She is terrible.Alex Scott would be horrific but does tick the BBC boxes
Oh, VT, you daft misogynist racist.
He's got a point though. There's a very good chance it will be her, and she is exceptionally shit. Not that I care, I only fast forward to the Villa bits when we win.
Post by: Mister E on November 12, 2024, 10:01:39 AM
They won't. He's a pundit not a host.sorry, I obviously got no break-through on my flippancy.
Post by: Villa Lew on November 12, 2024, 10:38:52 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 12, 2024, 10:40:53 AM
Post by: VillaTim on November 12, 2024, 10:43:08 AM
Gabby Logan would be a much better choice than Alex Scott.or Laura Woods
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 12, 2024, 10:45:55 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on November 12, 2024, 11:02:05 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 12, 2024, 11:23:02 AM
Gabby Logan would be a much better choice than Alex Scott.
She's decent at what she does but reckon she might be happy as she is.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 12, 2024, 11:53:02 AM
Post by: AV82EC on November 12, 2024, 11:58:00 AM
It doesn’t really matter who does it. It’s a football highlights show.Yep I struggle to see why it’s sooooo important who presents a football highlights show. I never watch it anyway so couldn’t give a toss but I’m sure Colin from Portsmouth will be along shortly to give us his well rounded view.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on November 12, 2024, 12:01:58 PM
No idea who will take over but they'll probably struggle to say 'Birmingham' properly and will have played for, or, will support a London club. Most important is that they'll be anti woke and will be angered that Frogage wasn't allowed to lay a wreath at the cenotaph.
Post by: Villa Lew on November 12, 2024, 12:32:14 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 12, 2024, 12:34:15 PM
Post by: Simon Page on November 12, 2024, 12:35:02 PM
It doesn’t really matter who does it. It’s a football highlights show.
Celebrity is everything. Take reality TV away and we have to confront reality.
I vote Peter Shilton.
Post by: Chap on November 12, 2024, 12:46:21 PM
Could be Troy Deeney.Wrong on all counts!
Post by: LeeB on November 12, 2024, 01:00:07 PM
It doesn’t really matter who does it. It’s a football highlights show.
Ha ha, correct.
Post by: VillaTim on November 12, 2024, 01:05:18 PM
Post by: Gerrin on November 12, 2024, 01:13:09 PM
Alex Scott would be horrific but does tick the BBC boxes
Oh, VT, you daft misogynist racist.
He's got a point though. There's a very good chance it will be her, and she is exceptionally shit. Not that I care, I only fast forward to the Villa bits when we win.
Spot on that. If we lose I don't watch it at all. When we win I skip straight forward to the Villa game. Very occassionly I might watch the highlights of maybe one or 2 other games at the most. is any at all.
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 12, 2024, 02:14:09 PM
The best MOTD was when they all went on strike and it was just football with no people talking over it all
100% agree - if i never see the twats Deeney, Richards, Murphy again it would be too soon
Logan and Chapman would be my shout
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 12, 2024, 09:59:09 PM
Even if we lose, I’ll still probably watch it later in the week.
MOTD 2 even better, as often I’m at work and I can sit on the bog and watch it on my phone.
Post by: VillaTim on November 12, 2024, 10:14:57 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on November 16, 2024, 08:37:15 AM
Jesus on a bus what *is* it with this obsession at the BBC with everyone trying to chase this same, younger audience. Is it just self-centred arrogant millennials wanting everything on their own terms, or is it more than that
Us old crusties are still here, you know, and are far more likely to be a loyal audience...
Post by: Simon Page on November 16, 2024, 11:23:49 AM
*Merry Christmas.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 16, 2024, 12:40:43 PM
I see that that great football expert Roman Kemp (qualification: he's a huge Arsenal fan) is lined up for a role in presenting the programme because the producers want to...guess what...appeal to a younger audience
I'd rather have Micah Richards presenting it.
Post by: eamonn on November 16, 2024, 05:13:15 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 16, 2024, 08:32:32 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 16, 2024, 09:49:58 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 16, 2024, 10:05:10 PM
I would like to have rotational VillaTims. A Catherine wheel would work.ha ha well i'd just retire you full stop . ;)
Post by: Drummond on November 17, 2024, 09:17:47 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 17, 2024, 11:01:12 AM
Post by: Louzie0 on November 17, 2024, 05:43:46 PM
If the BBC are going to put on a ‘highlights show with just goals because that’s what everyone else has’, then Sooty could present, it would make little difference.
MOTD is about experts having interesting discussions about the game, the tactics and the play of key individuals, showing their tactical awareness/expertise, after extended highlights up to 20 minutes or so. Stephen Warnock is very good, so is Martin Keown who interviews players well; Ashley Williams is engaging and interesting, Sue Smith on Sky is excellent as well. I like the current experiment with inviting football writers on to comment. I can get just goals from the Villa website, and very nice it is, too!
If the new guy in charge of recruitment for MOTD doesn’t realise what a jewel in the football crown the BBC currently has with MOTD, and the audience that appreciates it, he’s not that bright.
Post by: VillaTim on November 17, 2024, 05:47:12 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on November 17, 2024, 05:51:39 PM
Post by: olaftab on November 17, 2024, 06:21:12 PM
Chapman is perfect for MOTD2 , a good wingman but not a main host .🤦🏾
Post by: Holte132 on November 17, 2024, 06:24:51 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on November 17, 2024, 06:31:39 PM
Some guests are much better than others!
The host has to do more than smile and introduce. GL has credibility and can comment on the football as well as letting the guests shine. He’s going to be difficult to replace.
Unless they go for a brainless ‘shots of the day’, in which case, Sooty.
Post by: VillaTim on November 17, 2024, 06:40:46 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on November 17, 2024, 06:47:42 PM
Sorry, VillaTim, didn’t realise that Sooty wouldn’t be a childhood reference!
He’s always been around for me.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 17, 2024, 06:51:07 PM
Who is Sooty
i believe the reference is a silent hand puppet
Post by: Louzie0 on November 17, 2024, 06:54:23 PM
Who is Sooty
i believe the reference is a silent hand puppet
Yep. 👍
Post by: VillaTim on November 17, 2024, 07:07:42 PM
I'm with you now . Dilemma for BBC is go with an ex player who can anchor well and remain neutral or go for a Des Lynam type .Who is Sooty
i believe the reference is a silent hand puppet
Yep. 👍
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 17, 2024, 07:08:20 PM
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 17, 2024, 07:11:29 PM
Get Elton Welsby back.
My favourite Elton Welsby triv is that his first name is actually Roger.
Post by: walsall villain on November 17, 2024, 07:14:49 PM
That’s what I like about MOTD, as well.Works better with a small team of presenters…. sooty, sweep and Sue…. The dream team
Some guests are much better than others!
The host has to do more than smile and introduce. GL has credibility and can comment on the football as well as letting the guests shine. He’s going to be difficult to replace.
Unless they go for a brainless ‘shots of the day’, in which case, Sooty.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 17, 2024, 07:26:08 PM
Post by: Rory on November 17, 2024, 07:33:22 PM
sweep is the original Jamie Carragher
Sweep is my favourite. Leave him out of this.
Post by: walsall villain on November 17, 2024, 07:34:15 PM
sweep is the original Jamie CarragherThe likeness is striking that’s true
Post by: Louzie0 on November 17, 2024, 07:34:51 PM
Post by: Rory on November 17, 2024, 07:36:47 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 17, 2024, 07:49:51 PM
sweep is the original Jamie Carragher
Sweep is my favourite. Leave him out of this.
sorry maybe i was thinking of spit the dog
Post by: Louzie0 on November 17, 2024, 07:53:03 PM
Goals by MU, MC, Chelsea…
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 17, 2024, 08:08:28 PM
sweep is the original Jamie Carragher
Jamie Carragher is such a weird one. He's devastatingly handsome until you hear his voice (it's not the accent, it's the pitch). I developed this theory while watching him on a silent pub TV. He's well fit. I showed my wife a video of him speaking with the sound down and asked he if he was well fit. She said he was (because he is). I then turned the sound up and she said she'd still shag him, but that I had a point.
These are the kind of victories that keep things going in the Ealing household.
Post by: Dave on November 17, 2024, 08:13:03 PM
...or go for a Des Lynam type .
Is Robert Kilroy-Silk still alive? Or, Peter Shilton covers both bases.
Post by: VillaTim on November 17, 2024, 08:18:23 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 17, 2024, 08:25:07 PM
...or go for a Des Lynam type .
Is Robert Kilroy-Silk still alive?
He is. I checked the other night when he popped up in the BBC Immigration documentary.
Post by: Rory on November 17, 2024, 08:26:37 PM
sweep is the original Jamie Carragher
Jamie Carragher is such a weird one. He's devastatingly handsome until you hear his voice (it's not the accent, it's the pitch). I developed this theory while watching him on a silent pub TV. He's well fit. I showed my wife a video of him speaking with the sound down and asked he if he was well fit. She said he was (because he is). I then turned the sound up and she said she'd still shag him, but that I had a point.
These are the kind of victories that keep things going in the Ealing household.
You must be talking about Redknapp?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 17, 2024, 08:31:54 PM
Post by: Rory on November 17, 2024, 08:34:48 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 17, 2024, 08:35:51 PM
if you're going down that route just get that younger bloke who did the controversial Tv shit for years...or go for a Des Lynam type .
Is Robert Kilroy-Silk still alive?
He is. I checked the other night when he popped up in the BBC Immigration documentary.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 17, 2024, 08:52:47 PM
Jamie Carragher is 'fit'?! Blimey, I must need my eyes testing.
The man's a looker. Amfy, Jane, Liz, Dogtanian, Louzie, help me out!
(https://i.ibb.co/VMyPFvb/Jamie-Carragher-AUTHOR-PIC-e1606838332881-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VMyPFvb)
Post by: VillaTim on November 17, 2024, 08:54:46 PM
just came back to me , Jeremy Kyleif you're going down that route just get that younger bloke who did the controversial Tv shit for years...or go for a Des Lynam type .
Is Robert Kilroy-Silk still alive?
He is. I checked the other night when he popped up in the BBC Immigration documentary.
Post by: Rory on November 17, 2024, 08:55:55 PM
Jamie Carragher is 'fit'?! Blimey, I must need my eyes testing.
The man's a looker. Amfy, Jane, Liz, Dogtanian, Louzie, help me out!
(https://i.ibb.co/VMyPFvb/Jamie-Carragher-AUTHOR-PIC-e1606838332881-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VMyPFvb)
You know more about good looks in men than me, mate, so I'll bow to your superior knowledge. If I had any idea what women liked, I wouldn't be single.
Edit: I might still be, due to my personality and tiny penis, but y'know...
Post by: VillaTim on November 17, 2024, 09:02:51 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 17, 2024, 09:09:28 PM
Jamie Carragher is 'fit'?! Blimey, I must need my eyes testing.
The man's a looker. Amfy, Jane, Liz, Dogtanian, Louzie, help me out!
(https://i.ibb.co/VMyPFvb/Jamie-Carragher-AUTHOR-PIC-e1606838332881-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VMyPFvb)
You know more about good looks in men than me, mate, so I'll bow to your superior knowledge. If I had any idea what women liked, I wouldn't be single.
Edit: I might still be, due to my personality and tiny penis, but y'know...
You're a handsome devil Rory, and don't say otherwise. I can't comment on your lad but your personality seems pretty good to me.
Post by: Rory on November 17, 2024, 09:19:58 PM
Jamie Carragher is 'fit'?! Blimey, I must need my eyes testing.
The man's a looker. Amfy, Jane, Liz, Dogtanian, Louzie, help me out!
(https://i.ibb.co/VMyPFvb/Jamie-Carragher-AUTHOR-PIC-e1606838332881-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VMyPFvb)
You know more about good looks in men than me, mate, so I'll bow to your superior knowledge. If I had any idea what women liked, I wouldn't be single.
Edit: I might still be, due to my personality and tiny penis, but y'know...
You're a handsome devil Rory, and don't say otherwise. I can't comment on your lad but your personality seems pretty good to me.
(https://i.ibb.co/f8kxGZZ/498590bb4f6a963e94c22f3c435d4716.gif) (https://ibb.co/f8kxGZZ)
(https://imgbb.com/)
Post by: Holte132 on November 17, 2024, 09:20:45 PM
Jamie Carragher is 'fit'?! Blimey, I must need my eyes testing.
The man's a looker. Amfy, Jane, Liz, Dogtanian, Louzie, help me out!
(https://i.ibb.co/VMyPFvb/Jamie-Carragher-AUTHOR-PIC-e1606838332881-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VMyPFvb)
Sorry, not a looker for me!
Post by: RamboandBruno on November 17, 2024, 09:30:49 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on November 18, 2024, 06:39:24 AM
Post by: Drummond on November 18, 2024, 11:21:30 AM
Post by: Chap on November 18, 2024, 06:48:19 PM
If Zippy is on I'm going to have issues differentiating between him and Danny Murphy.George, the pink hippo???
Post by: Lizz on November 18, 2024, 07:02:47 PM
Jamie Carragher is 'fit'?! Blimey, I must need my eyes testing.
The man's a looker. Amfy, Jane, Liz, Dogtanian, Louzie, help me out!
(https://i.ibb.co/VMyPFvb/Jamie-Carragher-AUTHOR-PIC-e1606838332881-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VMyPFvb)
Bet George Clooney's well jealous.
Post by: VillaTim on November 18, 2024, 07:07:52 PM
perfect for MOTD2If Zippy is on I'm going to have issues differentiating between him and Danny Murphy.George, the pink hippo???
Post by: amfy on November 18, 2024, 07:42:22 PM
Jamie Carragher is 'fit'?! Blimey, I must need my eyes testing.
The man's a looker. Amfy, Jane, Liz, Dogtanian, Louzie, help me out!
(https://i.ibb.co/VMyPFvb/Jamie-Carragher-AUTHOR-PIC-e1606838332881-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VMyPFvb)
His face seems to have all the key components of being good looking but somehow no. Although maybe that is because I’ve always known what he sounds like.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 18, 2024, 07:57:27 PM
Post by: Rory on November 18, 2024, 08:28:57 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on November 18, 2024, 09:09:39 PM
I like Sweep, but I think Zippy probably has all the attributes for the social media generation. Give him/her the gig.
The BBC are sure to bungle the selection
Post by: Sexual Ealing on November 18, 2024, 09:10:13 PM
Post by: Rory on November 18, 2024, 09:15:07 PM
Thanks Rory. I’ve moved on to Peter Beardsley now.
Good choice! "Lovely lumpy lumpy chicken."
Post by: Somniloquism on November 18, 2024, 09:22:41 PM
Thanks Rory. I’ve moved on to Peter Beardsley now.
Does he cook you good eggs?
Post by: VillaTim on November 18, 2024, 09:27:41 PM
Spittled eggsThanks Rory. I’ve moved on to Peter Beardsley now.
Does he cook you good eggs?
Post by: Rory on November 18, 2024, 09:43:40 PM
Thanks Rory. I’ve moved on to Peter Beardsley now.
Does he cook you good eggs?
"Very fuuuckaaan runny."
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on November 18, 2024, 09:54:59 PM
Thanks Rory. I’ve moved on to Peter Beardsley now.
Closely followed by Iain Dowie.
Post by: Louzie0 on November 18, 2024, 10:06:47 PM
Jamie Carragher is 'fit'?! Blimey, I must need my eyes testing.
The man's a looker. Amfy, Jane, Liz, Dogtanian, Louzie, help me out!
(https://i.ibb.co/VMyPFvb/Jamie-Carragher-AUTHOR-PIC-e1606838332881-1024x1024.jpg) (https://ibb.co/VMyPFvb)
There are pretty boys like JC and then, there’s Unai.
Not quite the most sexist thing I’ve ever posted, but getting that way.
Sorry! I’ve objectified our genius!
Post by: VillaTim on November 18, 2024, 10:29:56 PM
Post by: eamonn on November 18, 2024, 10:32:10 PM
Jools Holland might be good, mix it up with Football, live band , football. What a show that would be
Shudder - gives vibes of the "Horne Section" with that fuckin eejit from Taskmaster.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 19, 2024, 01:07:51 AM
Jools Holland might be good, mix it up with Football, live band , football. What a show that would be
Shudder - gives vibes of the "Horne Section" with that fuckin eejit from Taskmaster.
I'm not sure my heart can take Taskmaster slander, especially on such a nice bloke as Alex 😔. He's a fuckin bright bloke, as well. Humour is niche, admittedly.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 19, 2024, 01:09:33 AM
Thanks Rory. I’ve moved on to Peter Beardsley now.
Good choice! "Lovely lumpy lumpy chicken."
"Gor down roard get me a chicken wap".
Post by: Rory on November 19, 2024, 01:17:33 AM
Jools Holland might be good, mix it up with Football, live band , football. What a show that would be
Shudder - gives vibes of the "Horne Section" with that fuckin eejit from Taskmaster.
I'm not sure my heart can take Taskmaster slander, especially on such a nice bloke as Alex 😔. He's a fuckin bright bloke, as well. Humour is niche, admittedly.
I love Alex and Taskmaster, but The Horne Section isn't for me.
Post by: Rory on November 19, 2024, 01:18:21 AM
Thanks Rory. I’ve moved on to Peter Beardsley now.
Good choice! "Lovely lumpy lumpy chicken."
"Gor down roard get me a chicken wap".
"An' 'ave a good aul stare."
Post by: eamonn on November 19, 2024, 02:28:12 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 23, 2024, 07:43:27 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on November 23, 2024, 07:48:25 PM
Sorry yes, as with Rory I appreciate Alex being the good-humoured fall-guy for mean-man Davies on Taskmaster, it's just the Horne Section stuff I can't stand. Think it emerged during Euro 2021 and since then they've toured, proving there's no accounting for taste, I guess.
The Horne Section have been around for well over a decade. I agree, I'm not a big fan of the band either, but I do really like Alex.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 23, 2024, 11:06:07 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 23, 2024, 11:37:52 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on November 24, 2024, 09:53:22 AM
Post by: Bobby Boy on November 24, 2024, 10:35:27 AM
Cooper is a whinging terrahawk.
Citing issues with a particular ref on the basis of one very marginal penalty appeal is pretty weak. He might have commented on the tackle by Ndidi on Palmer which could easily have been given as a red but evidently that's less of a concern.
I suppose that's what happens when you're feeling the heat.
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 24, 2024, 08:15:58 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 24, 2024, 08:47:42 PM
Post by: tony scott on November 24, 2024, 11:04:32 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 24, 2024, 11:16:10 PM
... and you constantly give the impression that you're a completely miserable, straw-grabbing git.
Yeah, he doesn't strike me as a barrel of laughs.
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 25, 2024, 01:59:33 AM
Post by: VillaTim on December 07, 2024, 07:38:21 PM
Post by: Witton Warrior on December 07, 2024, 09:16:17 PM
No complaints if we are last on MOTD tonight .
Usually if we win and I haven't been at VP I always watch MotD but just went straight to the Sky report tonight
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 07, 2024, 11:35:20 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 08, 2024, 12:44:24 AM
"Cameron Archer left here for the South Coast in the summer, he scored here for Sheffield United in February....."
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 08, 2024, 08:07:59 AM
Guardiola really cannot take it when they’re not winning sarcastically clapping glasner berating the refereee then short obnoxious answers to interview questions.Yes and absolute twat to the interviewer
Post by: Rigadon on December 08, 2024, 08:30:44 AM
Chelsea are in the title race apparently. Funny, last seasons surprise package weren’t.
Post by: eye digress on December 08, 2024, 08:33:22 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/dec/07/chelsea-enzo-maresca-title-race-tottenhamAnd they could be just 3 points ahead of us by the end of the day.
Chelsea are in the title race apparently. Funny, last seasons surprise package weren’t.
Just shows how nuts the table is. Will all get very interesting if the RedScouse get reeled in by the peloton.
Post by: Rigadon on December 08, 2024, 09:37:41 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/dec/07/chelsea-enzo-maresca-title-race-tottenhamAnd they could be just 3 points ahead of us by the end of the day.
Chelsea are in the title race apparently. Funny, last seasons surprise package weren’t.
Just shows how nuts the table is. Will all get very interesting if the RedScouse get reeled in by the peloton.
Indeed. They are obviously better this season, but that's as far as it goes. Made me chuckle with their fans singing "we've got our Chelsea back"... Yeah, I remember the days of Kerry Dixon and Pat Nevin.
Post by: Goldenballs on December 08, 2024, 09:44:27 AM
Guardiola really cannot take it when they’re not winning sarcastically clapping glasner berating the refereee then short obnoxious answers to interview questions.Yes and absolute twat to the interviewer
He's a utter prick. Going on like there's some sort of vendetta against Rico Lewis?
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 08, 2024, 11:44:12 AM
Yea even talkshite have just slated the twat for thatGuardiola really cannot take it when they’re not winning sarcastically clapping glasner berating the refereee then short obnoxious answers to interview questions.Yes and absolute twat to the interviewer
He's a utter prick. Going on like there's some sort of vendetta against Rico Lewis?
Post by: OCD on December 08, 2024, 12:10:54 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/dec/07/chelsea-enzo-maresca-title-race-tottenham
Chelsea are in the title race apparently. Funny, last seasons surprise package weren’t.
I remember us being talked up as title candidates around this time last year.
Post by: Rigadon on December 08, 2024, 02:03:57 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/dec/07/chelsea-enzo-maresca-title-race-tottenham
Chelsea are in the title race apparently. Funny, last seasons surprise package weren’t.
I remember us being talked up as title candidates around this time last year.
I don’t. I remember it being asked in a jokey way. Anyway, it shouldn’t bother me!
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 08, 2024, 03:52:49 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/15205/13025004/aston-villa-are-premier-league-title-contenders-if-they-beat-arsenal-on-saturday-says-paul-merson
https://www.premierleague.com/news/3821023
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gtVjoHRrkcM
https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/how-aston-villa-morphed-into-premier-league-title-contenders-m2bx9dbpq
https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/12/07/1562447/
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-arsenal-premier-league-28248359
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/12/18/aston-villa-title-contenders-unai-emery-premier-league/
Post by: Somniloquism on December 08, 2024, 03:54:32 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 08, 2024, 03:55:40 PM
Post by: Rigadon on December 08, 2024, 04:17:29 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/c0d2e0nxlz4o
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/15205/13025004/aston-villa-are-premier-league-title-contenders-if-they-beat-arsenal-on-saturday-says-paul-merson
https://www.premierleague.com/news/3821023
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gtVjoHRrkcM
https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/how-aston-villa-morphed-into-premier-league-title-contenders-m2bx9dbpq
https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/12/07/1562447/
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-arsenal-premier-league-28248359
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/12/18/aston-villa-title-contenders-unai-emery-premier-league/
Haha. Great work. Man remembers stuff a certain way but is corrected by another man on the internet.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 08, 2024, 04:32:18 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 08, 2024, 04:39:15 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/c0d2e0nxlz4o
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/15205/13025004/aston-villa-are-premier-league-title-contenders-if-they-beat-arsenal-on-saturday-says-paul-merson
https://www.premierleague.com/news/3821023
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gtVjoHRrkcM
https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/how-aston-villa-morphed-into-premier-league-title-contenders-m2bx9dbpq
https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/12/07/1562447/
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-arsenal-premier-league-28248359
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/12/18/aston-villa-title-contenders-unai-emery-premier-league/
Haha. Great work. Man remembers stuff a certain way but is corrected by another man on the internet.
Apologies. Pedantry is my main hobby.
Post by: The Edge on December 08, 2024, 11:05:57 PM
Ha ha this made me chucklehttps://www.bbc.com/sport/articles/c0d2e0nxlz4o
https://www.skysports.com/football/news/15205/13025004/aston-villa-are-premier-league-title-contenders-if-they-beat-arsenal-on-saturday-says-paul-merson
https://www.premierleague.com/news/3821023
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gtVjoHRrkcM
https://www.thetimes.com/sport/football/article/how-aston-villa-morphed-into-premier-league-title-contenders-m2bx9dbpq
https://www.caughtoffside.com/2023/12/07/1562447/
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-arsenal-premier-league-28248359
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/12/18/aston-villa-title-contenders-unai-emery-premier-league/
Haha. Great work. Man remembers stuff a certain way but is corrected by another man on the internet.
Apologies. Pedantry is my main hobby.
Post by: VillaTim on December 08, 2024, 11:07:14 PM
Deeney has put some timber on .
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 08, 2024, 11:17:23 PM
Expert analysis tonight from Troy Deeney and that mediocre Welsh centre half .
Deeney has put some timber on .
Two Brummies on the BBC. That’s rare.
Post by: The Edge on December 08, 2024, 11:22:12 PM
You read my mind.Expert analysis tonight from Troy Deeney and that mediocre Welsh centre half .
Deeney has put some timber on .
Two Brummies on the BBC. That’s rare.
Post by: VillaTim on December 08, 2024, 11:41:02 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 08, 2024, 11:41:39 PM
And now some podcaster has joined them , Jesus wept .
He's from The Athletic, it's not like he's sneery bollocks from MOMS
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 08, 2024, 11:43:47 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 08, 2024, 11:46:14 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 09, 2024, 12:15:59 AM
The Athletic ?? What is it though ? And when did MOTD last have this type of pundit on
It's a well respected online football publication, Tim. They hired a lot of former non-tabloid top level writers and have staked a pretty big claim in that sector.
MOTD have all sorts of shite on these days.
Post by: VillaTim on December 09, 2024, 12:27:44 AM
The guy spoke well but he had no real idea of what's going on so it was weird .
Post by: eamonn on December 09, 2024, 12:39:32 AM
Post by: VillaTim on December 09, 2024, 01:34:09 AM
Jacob Tanswell, our lad at The Athletic, is a frickin' legend. Well-worth following his tweets. He nearly made it as a footballer and he's become a really good young football analyst. His in-game posts on our games are a nice, er, contrast to the hysteria on Heroes &Villains match-threads!Was that him on MOTD2 talking about Yaniteds trials and tribulations?
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 09, 2024, 03:04:09 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 09, 2024, 06:54:59 AM
Jacob Tanswell, our lad at The Athletic, is a frickin' legend. Well-worth following his tweets. He nearly made it as a footballer and he's become a really good young football analyst. His in-game posts on our games are a nice, er, contrast to the hysteria on Heroes &Villains match-threads!
Seconded. We’re lucky to have him.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 09, 2024, 07:57:01 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 09, 2024, 09:14:07 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 09, 2024, 09:54:44 AM
Caicedo is a midfielder usually anyway so being in defence was not his usual position. Other teams who do that are Arse with their left backs and Liverpool with Terrence. I'm not sure if Maatsen has the midfield passing range they do though.
With us, that’s not the point. It’s more about him being in the 2 if the 3-2-5 we want to be in possession, freeing up one of the midfield 2 to join in the attack, and cutting the distance for both Maatsen and that midfielder to get back into position if we lose possession.
Post by: paul_e on December 09, 2024, 09:56:58 AM
My preference is:
Konsa - Mings - Pau - Maatsen
Onana - Kamara
In that team, if we get hit on the break, either Onana or Kamara can step back in to make a 4 with the other covering and Pau or Mings going to the left. That leaves Maatsen free to provide width on the left as part of the attacking 5 that we (and most other teams) try to use in attack.
If the plan is to bring Maatsen into the DM and let one of them go forward we really need to add some natural width on the left to stop us becoming too narrow.
Post by: Mister E on December 09, 2024, 11:41:15 AM
.."and, it's Goodnight from him ..."Expert analysis tonight from Troy Deeney and that mediocre Welsh centre half .Two Brummies on the BBC. That’s rare.
Deeney has put some timber on .
Post by: Rory on December 09, 2024, 12:12:26 PM
Expert analysis tonight from Troy Deeney and that mediocre Welsh centre half .
Deeney has put some timber on .
Two Brummies on the BBC. That’s rare.
I like Ashley Williams. I find his presence quite calming - sort of the 'anti-Micah'.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 09, 2024, 12:16:48 PM
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 09, 2024, 07:50:07 PM
Fair enough Paulie. Jesus though , I'd say that's a slippery slope letting online "experts" into the BBC MOTD studio !?
The guy spoke well but he had no real idea of what's going on so it was weird .
That sounds like quite a few of the ex pro’s tbh, I’m looking at you in particular Micah Richards.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 09, 2024, 07:57:36 PM
The guy spoke well but he had no real idea of what's going on so it was weird .
It seemed to me that he didn't want to say too much in case it jeopardised his access to the club. His hair was a bit weird though.
Post by: VillaTim on December 09, 2024, 08:46:06 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 10, 2024, 09:18:43 AM
Martinez, because he is the only GK to keep a clean sheet, probably because he was the only keeper to not face a shot on target.
Konsa, in the centre two, even though he played the game as RB.
Post by: eamonn on December 10, 2024, 02:02:13 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on December 10, 2024, 07:33:24 PM
Expert analysis tonight from Troy Deeney and that mediocre Welsh centre half .
Deeney has put some timber on .
Two Brummies on the BBC. That’s rare.
I like Ashley Williams. I find his presence quite calming - sort of the 'anti-Micah'.
I don't think all that much of him. Compared to Richards mind, Williams is of Reg Gutteridge standing.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 12, 2024, 09:17:10 AM
Then mentioned it again after McGinns goal.
Post by: Accent Guy on December 12, 2024, 03:53:19 PM
Just caught the MOTD highlights for our game. I think Pearce commentating was just phoning it in as "a win would all but mathematically guarantee a place in the playoffs, and a victory would take them awfully close to the automatic last 16".
Then mentioned it again after McGinns goal.
Most of the commentary on MOTD is recorded after the game. Last week v Saints, the Pearce even started our commentary by alluding to something Lineker had just said in the intro to our game.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 12, 2024, 03:55:11 PM
Post by: Accent Guy on December 12, 2024, 03:59:53 PM
Pearce was commentating on the (live) stream I watched on.
But was that the MOTD commentary? As often they do more than one. alive broadcast for a channel and then a voice over for another.
Post by: Bernie on December 12, 2024, 04:00:34 PM
Post by: Accent Guy on December 12, 2024, 04:02:56 PM
I can't recall the details but also in the introduction to the Brentford v Newcastle game the commentator started with a response to a gag Lineker had made in the studio about Shearer playing when Brentford last beat them some time in the middle of the last century. Or something like that.
Yes it was. He said he commentated that day, in direct t response to Lineker in the studio.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 12, 2024, 04:24:41 PM
In the old days they definitely used to get the GOTM segments rerecorded when they didn't show all matches in the same details and only had commentary on 2 or 3 a week.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 13, 2024, 05:11:50 AM
Just caught the MOTD highlights for our game. I think Pearce commentating was just phoning it in as "a win would all but mathematically guarantee a place in the playoffs, and a victory would take them awfully close to the automatic last 16".
Then mentioned it again after McGinns goal.
Am I missing something?
We won, so we’re all but mathematically guaranteed to at least be in the play-offs, and we’re also awfully close to finishing top eight, which would automatically take us into the last sixteen.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 13, 2024, 09:16:59 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 13, 2024, 10:10:02 AM
The last 16 are not automatic. 8 automatically qualify.
Oh okay. I interpreted that as awfully close to the top 8, which is automatic qualification for the last 16.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 13, 2024, 10:47:00 AM
Post by: Drummond on December 13, 2024, 02:14:43 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 15, 2024, 08:59:00 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 15, 2024, 09:06:10 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 15, 2024, 10:18:14 PM
Post by: VillaTim on December 15, 2024, 10:27:46 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 15, 2024, 10:33:31 PM
Alongside Gabby Logan ! I rarely watch anyway . BBC knock yourselves out .You’re a hero.
Both are really good presenters.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 15, 2024, 10:38:15 PM
I'm sure VillaTim will be angry, regardless.
Post by: Dave on December 15, 2024, 10:41:12 PM
Logan is excellent, IMO. Sounds like Cates, Logan and Mark "no, not that one, Yoko" Chapman are all doing the job. Not sure if they're taking it in turns or having three at once.
I'm sure VillaTim will be angry, regardless.
Just wait until a woman is announcing Villa 1 - 1 Leicester at lower in the running order than Wolves 2 - 4 Brighton.
He'll probably explode.
Post by: VillaTim on December 15, 2024, 10:41:35 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on December 15, 2024, 10:55:58 PM
They're good TV :-[presenters just not my cup of Tea . Like I say , rarely watch it and when I do I only watch villa when we win and mute out the other parts . The episode they did with no anchor or commentary I watched from start to finish it was really good .You rarely watch it but post all the time on here about anti Villa bias on the programme.
God life really is too short.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 15, 2024, 10:59:32 PM
They're good TV :-[presenters just not my cup of Tea . Like I say , rarely watch it and when I do I only watch villa when we win and mute out the other parts . The episode they did with no anchor or commentary I watched from start to finish it was really good .
Well it was about 20 mins long which seems to be your attention span so you probably did watch it all.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 16, 2024, 02:28:54 AM
Good, she's great. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/dec/15/kelly-cates-to-replace-gary-lineker-on-bbcs-match-of-the-day
Yeah, I really like her. I really like Gabby Logan, great choices.
Alright VillaTim, who would have been your inspired choice?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 16, 2024, 08:23:22 AM
Good, she's great. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/dec/15/kelly-cates-to-replace-gary-lineker-on-bbcs-match-of-the-day
Yeah, I really like her. I really like Gabby Logan, great choices.
Alright VillaTim, who would have been your inspired choice?
Joey Barton probably. He seems the type.
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 16, 2024, 08:51:00 AM
They're good TV :-[presenters just not my cup of Tea . Like I say , rarely watch it and when I do I only watch villa when we win and mute out the other parts . The episode they did with no anchor or commentary I watched from start to finish it was really good .
You watch it on mute? Ha. Fuck off!
Post by: London Villan on December 16, 2024, 09:03:46 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 16, 2024, 09:23:47 AM
Post by: Drummond on December 16, 2024, 09:38:25 AM
Plus she knows the game.
Post by: Drummond on December 16, 2024, 09:38:44 AM
Good choice, intelligent and articulate, miles better than the multitude of thickos that seem to get picked to present and pundit football.
Yeah that.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on December 16, 2024, 09:50:58 AM
And before anyone comes back at me with Bob Wilson, he was at least born in this country. And he was a man, despite his middle name.
Post by: Somniloquism on December 16, 2024, 09:59:43 AM
Post by: Dave on December 16, 2024, 10:27:51 AM
I didn't think BBC/MOTD had the pull to lure her from Sky otherwise I would have put her forward.
She does quite a lot of stuff on Five Live anyway doesn't she? So I'm guessing she's part of the BBC sports presenting furniture already.
Post by: Villa Lew on December 16, 2024, 10:40:03 AM
Post by: sid1964 on December 16, 2024, 11:57:04 AM
Why does it take 3 presenters to replace 1? oh it is the BBC!
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 16, 2024, 12:57:59 PM
Oh dear , Kelly dalglish , a further extension of the Liverpool love in then on the Beeb .
She’s pretty good normally.
Post by: montague on December 16, 2024, 01:17:24 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 16, 2024, 01:21:26 PM
Gary is currently earning £1,350.000.00 per year are they going to be a third each of that amount.
Why does it take 3 presenters to replace 1? oh it is the BBC!
Mark Chapman is already part of the MotD team.
I would imagine it's because they are changing the format.
Post by: Louzie0 on December 16, 2024, 02:10:38 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 16, 2024, 02:25:41 PM
Oh dear , Kelly dalglish , a further extension of the Liverpool love in then on the Beeb .
She’s pretty good normally.
It was typical of the evil BBC to try to hide their Liverpool bias by having an ex-Everton centre-forward as the main host for the last twenty-five years. You need to try a bit harder than that to fool our Tim, though.
Post by: aldridgeboy on December 16, 2024, 02:53:06 PM
I actually don't mind Lineker to be honest.
Post by: Louzie0 on December 16, 2024, 05:43:24 PM
I don’t think I’ll ever forget the bet and ultimate appearance in his undies when Leicester did the unbelievable thing and won the League. (Can’t see anyone else getting into that position, again!) What a good sport.
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 16, 2024, 06:12:06 PM
Post by: Pat McMahon on December 16, 2024, 06:39:32 PM
Good, she's great. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/dec/15/kelly-cates-to-replace-gary-lineker-on-bbcs-match-of-the-day
Yeah, I really like her. I really like Gabby Logan, great choices.
Alright VillaTim, who would have been your inspired choice?
Joey Barton probably. He seems the type.
Re Barton a Gashead mate of mine refused to go when he was manager there.
Post by: VillaTim on December 16, 2024, 07:02:27 PM
Think I said before , I'd have liked guest presenters , more rotation . Don't see why it has to be the same person / persons week after week . There's plenty of options out there and it keeps it fresh. Lineker was there way too long as was Hansen as was Lawro and the likes of Murphy etc . Share it about more it's tax payers money in effect .Good, she's great. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/dec/15/kelly-cates-to-replace-gary-lineker-on-bbcs-match-of-the-day
Yeah, I really like her. I really like Gabby Logan, great choices.
Alright VillaTim, who would have been your inspired choice?
Post by: Somniloquism on December 16, 2024, 07:07:08 PM
GL probably only got the gig because of his international career which he only got because of the heartbreaking injuries to the great Gary Shaw. Still, GL seems personable enough, puerile jokes aside.
Maybe, although he also was a pretty good goalscorer by himself anyway with a 1-2 ratio. So even if Shaw had usurped him internationally, he would have still been a big name for football in the mid 90s and could have still gone into broadcasting if he wanted. Remember he was only a pundit anyway and was thrown into the actually presenting (which is a totally different subset) when he had to replace Des Lynam at short notice.
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 16, 2024, 07:50:10 PM
Think I said before , I'd have liked guest presenters , more rotation . Don't see why it has to be the same person / persons week after week . There's plenty of options out there and it keeps it fresh. Lineker was there way too long as was Hansen as was Lawro and the likes of Murphy etc . Share it about more it's tax payers money in effect .Good, she's great. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/dec/15/kelly-cates-to-replace-gary-lineker-on-bbcs-match-of-the-day
Yeah, I really like her. I really like Gabby Logan, great choices.
Alright VillaTim, who would have been your inspired choice?
Give us your top 5 guest presenters
Post by: Sexual Ealing on December 16, 2024, 07:59:02 PM
Think I said before , I'd have liked guest presenters , more rotation . Don't see why it has to be the same person / persons week after week . There's plenty of options out there and it keeps it fresh. Lineker was there way too long as was Hansen as was Lawro and the likes of Murphy etc . Share it about more it's tax payers money in effect .Good, she's great. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/dec/15/kelly-cates-to-replace-gary-lineker-on-bbcs-match-of-the-day
Yeah, I really like her. I really like Gabby Logan, great choices.
Alright VillaTim, who would have been your inspired choice?
Give us your top 5 guest presenters
I can answer this for Tim: Clarkson, Ure, Newbon, Tim. And, err Brian May.
Post by: VillaTim on December 16, 2024, 08:08:05 PM
No top 5 , I'd just like rotation , rather than same old faces . BBC love to do this though and not just in sport e.g. Claudia Winckleman etc . Christ just shake it up a bit .Think I said before , I'd have liked guest presenters , more rotation . Don't see why it has to be the same person / persons week after week . There's plenty of options out there and it keeps it fresh. Lineker was there way too long as was Hansen as was Lawro and the likes of Murphy etc . Share it about more it's tax payers money in effect .Good, she's great. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/dec/15/kelly-cates-to-replace-gary-lineker-on-bbcs-match-of-the-day
Yeah, I really like her. I really like Gabby Logan, great choices.
Alright VillaTim, who would have been your inspired choice?
Give us your top 5 guest presenters
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 16, 2024, 08:21:28 PM
What’s Jermaine Beckford (aka Darren Backford) up to?
Post by: Olneythelonely on December 16, 2024, 08:22:38 PM
I can answer this for Tim: Clarkson, Ure, Newbon, Tim. And, err Brian May.
Very close to my dream dinner party, except swap Tim for Pol Pot.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 16, 2024, 10:34:57 PM
Even if that were true, let's not pretend you really give a shit if we save 100k on a host.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 17, 2024, 12:02:14 AM
Think I said before , I'd have liked guest presenters , more rotation . Don't see why it has to be the same person / persons week after week . There's plenty of options out there and it keeps it fresh. Lineker was there way too long as was Hansen as was Lawro and the likes of Murphy etc . Share it about more it's tax payers money in effect .Good, she's great. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/dec/15/kelly-cates-to-replace-gary-lineker-on-bbcs-match-of-the-day
Yeah, I really like her. I really like Gabby Logan, great choices.
Alright VillaTim, who would have been your inspired choice?
What is this, the fucking UN now?
Post by: Rory on December 17, 2024, 12:32:49 AM
Think I said before , I'd have liked guest presenters , more rotation . Don't see why it has to be the same person / persons week after week . There's plenty of options out there and it keeps it fresh. Lineker was there way too long as was Hansen as was Lawro and the likes of Murphy etc . Share it about more it's tax payers money in effect .Good, she's great. https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2024/dec/15/kelly-cates-to-replace-gary-lineker-on-bbcs-match-of-the-day
Yeah, I really like her. I really like Gabby Logan, great choices.
Alright VillaTim, who would have been your inspired choice?
What is this, the fucking UN now?
If there are flies on you, they're paying fucking rent.
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 17, 2024, 06:55:53 AM
Post by: devilla on December 21, 2024, 10:36:33 PM
Never mind us beating the champions eh?
Post by: VillaTim on December 21, 2024, 10:53:27 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 21, 2024, 11:04:00 PM
According to Lineker there's only one place to start.....Arse. Why?
Never mind us beating the champions eh?
Not exactly news City losing at the moment. The surprise would be if we hadn't beaten them.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 21, 2024, 11:26:13 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on December 21, 2024, 11:31:38 PM
According to Lineker there's only one place to start.....Arse. Why?
Never mind us beating the champions eh?
Early kick-off, so old news
Post by: VillaTim on December 21, 2024, 11:33:47 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on December 22, 2024, 01:02:31 AM
According to Lineker there's only one place to start.....Arse. Why?
Never mind us beating the champions eh?
What on earth is going on with Arsenal’s awful baseball jackets they walked on with ?
Post by: rob_bridge on December 22, 2024, 09:03:31 AM
Good analysis of the midfield shape. If Onana and Kamara manage to play a significant majority of minutes together we will win a lot of games. It’s the gritty work that gives the likes of Rogers and Tielemans to show their brilliance.
it was surprisingly insightful
Post by: devilla on December 22, 2024, 11:57:10 AM
According to Lineker there's only one place to start.....Arse. Why?
Never mind us beating the champions eh?
Not exactly news City losing at the moment. The surprise would be if we hadn't beaten them.
Yes I guess you're right.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 22, 2024, 01:11:47 PM
Yeah, ok, we nearly scored from the corner awarded after Durán had his shot saved. But if Durán had scored we wouldn’t have got the corner..
Absolutes mindless drivel from someone paid to talk about football.
Post by: UK Redsox on December 22, 2024, 02:57:08 PM
The commentator after Torres header, something like ‘Villa could have been two up inside the first two minutes’.
Yeah, ok, we nearly scored from the corner awarded after Durán had his shot saved. But if Durán had scored we wouldn’t have got the corner..
Absolutes mindless drivel from someone paid to talk about football.
Bloke sat behind me said the same thing about being 2-0 up. Kind of expect it from a fan, but not from a commentator.
Post by: martin o`who?? on December 22, 2024, 03:14:36 PM
According to Lineker there's only one place to start.....Arse. Why?Because he is the rather uncomplimentary version of the alternative word for a Lady garden...
Never mind us beating the champions eh?
Post by: Somniloquism on December 22, 2024, 07:48:22 PM
According to Lineker there's only one place to start.....Arse. Why?Because he is the rather uncomplimentary version of the alternative word for a Lady garden...
Never mind us beating the champions eh?
I don't think he makes the decision on the running order. And being as it was a match with 6 goals in it......
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 22, 2024, 07:58:54 PM
Post by: Dave on December 22, 2024, 09:33:48 PM
According to Lineker there's only one place to start.....Arse. Why?Because he is the rather uncomplimentary version of the alternative word for a Lady garden...
Never mind us beating the champions eh?
I don't think he makes the decision on the running order. And being as it was a match with 6 goals in it......
It's probably not even as complicated as that.
He's a TV presenter introducing a series of football matches and needs a phrase to start the first one. And would have used those words whatever match had been first.
While never giving a second thought that a few dozen internet weirdos might take his innocuous words as a personal insult.
Post by: Rory on December 22, 2024, 11:30:13 PM
According to Lineker there's only one place to start.....Arse. Why?Because he is the rather uncomplimentary version of the alternative word for a Lady garden...
Never mind us beating the champions eh?
I don't think he makes the decision on the running order. And being as it was a match with 6 goals in it......
It's probably not even as complicated as that.
He's a TV presenter introducing a series of football matches and needs a phrase to start the first one. And would have used those words whatever match had been first.
While never giving a second thought that a few dozen internet weirdos might take his innocuous words as a personal insult.
Don't be ridiculous, Dave.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 23, 2024, 12:01:32 AM
Not the commentator on MOTD presumably though? He said something like Ortega had rescued City twice in the first 90 seconds.
Yes, MOTD. He said it as the teams went off at half-time. “Could have been two up after two minutes, as it is they’re one up after forty-five.”
I was wrong about it being after Torres’ header.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 23, 2024, 08:33:24 AM
Not the commentator on MOTD presumably though? He said something like Ortega had rescued City twice in the first 90 seconds.
And he did?
Post by: Somniloquism on December 23, 2024, 08:41:03 AM
Not the commentator on MOTD presumably though? He said something like Ortega had rescued City twice in the first 90 seconds.
Yes, MOTD. He said it as the teams went off at half-time. “Could have been two up after two minutes, as it is they’re one up after forty-five.”
I was wrong about it being after Torres’ header.
He was probably referencing his notes with 'Big Chance Villa 1min', 'Big Change Villa 2min', written down forgetting one led to the other.
Post by: Richard on December 23, 2024, 09:01:02 AM
The commentator after Torres header, something like ‘Villa could have been two up inside the first two minutes’.
Yeah, ok, we nearly scored from the corner awarded after Durán had his shot saved. But if Durán had scored we wouldn’t have got the corner..
Absolutes mindless drivel from someone paid to talk about football.
I actually believe most commentators, pundits and fans think like this. It's bizarre.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on December 23, 2024, 11:47:34 PM
The commentator after Torres header, something like ‘Villa could have been two up inside the first two minutes’.
Yeah, ok, we nearly scored from the corner awarded after Durán had his shot saved. But if Durán had scored we wouldn’t have got the corner..
Absolutes mindless drivel from someone paid to talk about football.
I actually believe most commentators, pundits and fans think like this. It's bizarre.
It really is. As Ally McCoist would say.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 23, 2024, 11:57:26 PM
The commentator after Torres header, something like ‘Villa could have been two up inside the first two minutes’.
Yeah, ok, we nearly scored from the corner awarded after Durán had his shot saved. But if Durán had scored we wouldn’t have got the corner..
Absolutes mindless drivel from someone paid to talk about football.
I actually believe most commentators, pundits and fans think like this. It's bizarre.
Well, at least we’ve been spared the Sheff Utd goal that would have relegated us nonsense this season, so far anyway.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 24, 2024, 02:17:26 AM
Not the commentator on MOTD presumably though? He said something like Ortega had rescued City twice in the first 90 seconds.
And he did?
Yep, I was saying he was right.
Post by: Nev on January 04, 2025, 11:16:12 PM
Come down Villa Park you ****** and do that.
Post by: VillaTim on January 04, 2025, 11:18:14 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on January 04, 2025, 11:44:15 PM
They just threw up worst Prem tables ever for goals / points at this stage , saints are smashing it , we are in the mix though 15/16 which they had to bring up as the laughing hyaena is on . He laughed it off understandably.
Well he was only Club Captain - it was a bit of laugh sinking Villa.
Of all the leeches at Villa over the last 40 years nobody surpasses him.
Post by: VillaTim on January 04, 2025, 11:45:41 PM
Lescott up there too .They just threw up worst Prem tables ever for goals / points at this stage , saints are smashing it , we are in the mix though 15/16 which they had to bring up as the laughing hyaena is on . He laughed it off understandably.
Well he was only Club Captain - it was a bit of laugh sinking Villa.
Of all the leeches at Villa over the last 40 years nobody surpasses him.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on January 05, 2025, 09:32:39 AM
Lescott up there too .They just threw up worst Prem tables ever for goals / points at this stage , saints are smashing it , we are in the mix though 15/16 which they had to bring up as the laughing hyaena is on . He laughed it off understandably.
Well he was only Club Captain - it was a bit of laugh sinking Villa.
Of all the leeches at Villa over the last 40 years nobody surpasses him.
Lescott and Richards were both completely crocked when we signed them, particularly Richards. While they are both leeches they signings should never have been signed off in the first place (thanks tactics Tim). Agbonlahor always strikes me as the one though. Supposedly Villa through and through but went completely off the rails and became a fat waste of space (Blues matches aside).
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Post by: cdbearsfan on January 15, 2025, 12:02:27 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 15, 2025, 12:04:12 PM
New presenters confirmed. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/ce9nzxe4m18o
Yes like all of them
Post by: Nev on January 15, 2025, 12:05:30 PM
Happy with that, seem good choices to me. Until, of course, they say anything mildly unflattering about Villa or don't have a scraped one-nil Villa win against Burnley at the top of the running order in which case they can, obviously, fuck right off, the evil bastards.
Correct. All professional, competent and knowledgeable. But, two are women so prepare for incoming Gammon Rage,
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2025, 12:08:39 PM
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Post by: Nev on January 15, 2025, 12:39:58 PM
It's great to see two women presenting, but do they have to be duaghters of famous international footballers? Is that a pre-requisite?
It's more or less how they got their break I imagine but they are good at what they do.
Post by: Drummond on January 15, 2025, 12:41:20 PM
It's great to see two women presenting, but do they have to be duaghters of famous international footballers? Is that a pre-requisite?
That the BBC need to even mention it in their article is disappointing. It doesn't matter if they are the best for the job. Stating it suggests they wouldn't have got the job otherwise, or feels at least like an explanation of the reason for them getting the gig.
Post by: LeeB on January 15, 2025, 12:43:08 PM
It's great to see two women presenting, but do they have to be duaghters of famous international footballers? Is that a pre-requisite?
It's more or less how they got their break I imagine but they are good at what they do.
They are indeed.
I feel a bit churlish with that as I have no issue with, and indeed want to see more of women in these areas of sport, just sick of finding out that every bloody face I see on the telly is the son or daughter of someone that was already famous.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 15, 2025, 12:47:25 PM
It's great to see two women presenting, but do they have to be duaghters of famous international footballers? Is that a pre-requisite?
It's more or less how they got their break I imagine but they are good at what they do.
They are indeed.
I feel a bit churlish with that as I have no issue with, and indeed want to see more of women in these areas of sport, just sick of finding out that every bloody face I see on the telly is the son or daughter of someone that was already famous.
You'll change your tune when your boy's all over the Daily Express with his campsite empire. "I owe it all to my father, LeeB, who was famously often agreed with on the internet", the fibreglass titan remarked.
Post by: Louzie0 on January 15, 2025, 12:47:42 PM
New presenters confirmed. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/ce9nzxe4m18o
Great, I’m glad they have kept Mark Chapman and I like Gabby Logan and Kelly Cates.
Lineker to stay for the FA Cup and other cups is also a great use of talent if he can’t stay at MOTD for whatever reason.
Post by: paul_e on January 15, 2025, 01:26:36 PM
It's great to see two women presenting, but do they have to be duaghters of famous international footballers? Is that a pre-requisite?
That the BBC need to even mention it in their article is disappointing. It doesn't matter if they are the best for the job. Stating it suggests they wouldn't have got the job otherwise, or feels at least like an explanation of the reason for them getting the gig.
I read it as nostalgia really, "I grew up watching my dad on it and now I get to be a host!".
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 15, 2025, 01:43:19 PM
I have no idea what he actually brings to anything he is involved in.
(Wipes a little sick off his lips) i actually think Troy Deeney is head and shoulders above him as a pundit
Post by: eamonn on January 15, 2025, 01:48:05 PM
I'll also miss Lineker's closing puns although he wasn't the best listener, often eager to get his next question in before the pundit had expanded on his point.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on January 15, 2025, 01:50:57 PM
Very good choices - but why have they kept the talentless hyena that is Richards.
I have no idea what he actually brings to anything he is involved in.
(Wipes a little sick off his lips) i actually think Troy Deeney is head and shoulders above him as a pundit
Absolutely . just wish he would blow his nose !
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 15, 2025, 01:51:06 PM
It's great to see two women presenting, but do they have to be duaghters of famous international footballers? Is that a pre-requisite?
Possibly, unless Kelly Cates was also a Rose of Tralee contestant. https://youtu.be/V3k8knb2eb8
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 15, 2025, 01:52:08 PM
I feel a bit churlish with that as I have no issue with, and indeed want to see more of women in these areas of sport, just sick of finding out that every bloody face I see on the telly is the son or daughter of someone that was already famous.
Could be worse, it could be Roman Kemp.
Post by: simon ward 50 on January 15, 2025, 02:57:24 PM
I feel a bit churlish with that as I have no issue with, and indeed want to see more of women in these areas of sport, just sick of finding out that every bloody face I see on the telly is the son or daughter of someone that was already famous.
Could be worse, it could be Roman Kemp.
Indeed!
Post by: VillaTim on January 18, 2025, 10:27:10 PM
1st Bournemouth (hoping big AL is on to follow up his title claims midweek)
2nd Brentford
3rd Villa
Then others
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Post by: Hampshire Villa on January 19, 2025, 08:30:07 AM
Danny Murphy always looks like he needs a wash. Adds nothing and Williams just dense. I would be happy without pundits. Just show me the games. I don’t need to be told what I’ve just watched.
Post by: Le Lapin on January 19, 2025, 08:52:42 AM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on January 19, 2025, 09:18:11 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 19, 2025, 09:20:52 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 19, 2025, 09:22:27 AM
Very good choices - but why have they kept the talentless hyena that is Richards.
I have no idea what he actually brings to anything he is involved in.
(Wipes a little sick off his lips) i actually think Troy Deeney is head and shoulders above him as a pundit
You’ve got to be kidding. Deeney is absolutely terrible, despite him being a fellow Chelmsley lad who wanted to go out with my daughter. He was far too ugly for her, obvs.
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 19, 2025, 09:24:35 AM
The commentator said Arsenal would feel aggrieved at the disallowed goal. On what possible grounds?
I was amazed at MOTD last night. From the commentary, to the pundits barely mentioning us, to there even being a question about whether it was the correct decision to disallow the goal. Lineker said something like “with the rules as they are now, I suppose it’s the correct decision”, he punched it in FFS.
Post by: RamboandBruno on January 19, 2025, 09:25:28 AM
I don’t normally get too bothered by the motd analysis or the usual running order moaning but that was fucking outrageous. They genuinely didn’t mention us. It was like Arsenal were playing some sort of simulator.Agree I dont get as worked up as some normally, but that was unreal, we literally weren’t there to them
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2025, 12:08:17 PM
Post by: Olneythelonely on January 19, 2025, 12:13:01 PM
I like Ashley Williams and he likes the Villa - I think he has Brummie links, he once said a lot of his mates are Villa. He also called Digne one of the best crossers of the ball in the league. It's an easy pass for me.
He does not, he’s from Wolverhampton. And he barely mentioned us in his punditry.
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2025, 12:19:05 PM
There's only so much analysis they can fit on games after showing the highlights. A lot of people say they hate that part and fast-forward it. For the neutral, Arsenal going for the title and dropping two points is a bigger story than us coming back from two-down unfortunately.
Post by: devilla on January 19, 2025, 12:36:53 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 19, 2025, 12:45:31 PM
I like Ashley Williams and he likes the Villa - I think he has Brummie links, he once said a lot of his mates are Villa. He also called Digne one of the best crossers of the ball in the league. It's an easy pass for me.
He does not, he’s from Wolverhampton. And he barely mentioned us in his punditry.
He does. His wife's side are all Villa. He'd have jumped at any chance to play with us but we never wanted him. He has no allegiance to us in the same way as I have no allegiance to the Blues but know plenty of them.
MOTD "analysis" last night was appalling. Poor Arsenal didn't have their first choice defender and that was why they only drew. Poor Arsenal, the only side to have an injured defender...
It's always the case. The perceived bigger clubs have their injuries focused on, the rest, it's hardly mentioned.
Post by: VillaTim on January 19, 2025, 02:00:09 PM
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Post by: eye digress on January 19, 2025, 02:23:33 PM
Even Arteta said one angle looks like there isn't and another looks like there is.Had me splitting my sides that one, as though that meant it was a matter of subjectivity.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 19, 2025, 02:47:35 PM
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Post by: VillaTim on January 19, 2025, 10:38:18 PM
Ok I'm ok with this .
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 19, 2025, 10:47:48 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 19, 2025, 10:55:30 PM
Followed by Ange being a prickly prick again.
He didn't like the 'familiar story' line did he?
What will happen is they'll sack him, that Iraola will go there, will crash and burn after a year, then that'll be his career done for, and Levy will start his entertaining managerial circus up again.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 19, 2025, 10:59:32 PM
*unless they offer him daft wages.
Post by: VillaTim on January 19, 2025, 11:01:49 PM
Followed by Ange being a prickly prick again.I don't dislike the guy , always seems honest , decent bloke imho .
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 20, 2025, 12:05:39 AM
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Post by: Hillbilly on January 20, 2025, 03:23:00 AM
That’s an act. He’s a sullen miserable prick who says mate a hundred times to disarm you. But underneath it he’s bitter that’s been found out.
He's not been 'found out'. He's managing Spurs. Redknapp, Villas-Boas, Pochettino, Mourinho, Nuno, Conte all won things before or after being Spurs manager. It's Spurs.
And as for his personality, he's always been like that. He was Greek immigrant kid in Australia in the 70's. He's an outsider who kicks against the pricks.
Post by: frank black on January 20, 2025, 07:15:51 AM
Then just plain rude and unlikable when on the slide. It must be similar playing for him.
Post by: BC Villain on January 20, 2025, 07:20:07 AM
That’s an act. He’s a sullen miserable prick who says mate a hundred times to disarm you. But underneath it he’s bitter that’s been found out.
Ego the size of the moon with absolutely nothing to back it up apart from winning leagues in Scotland and Japan.
Post by: Hillbilly on January 20, 2025, 09:11:27 AM
That’s an act. He’s a sullen miserable prick who says mate a hundred times to disarm you. But underneath it he’s bitter that’s been found out.
Ego the size of the moon with absolutely nothing to back it up apart from winning leagues in Scotland and Japan.
Please do let me know when a Canadian coach wins anything, anywhere.
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on January 20, 2025, 09:51:54 AM
Look at that payout under the pillow :)
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2025, 11:56:23 AM
That chip from Kulusevski though...beautiful. Goal of the the 2020s imo.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 20, 2025, 12:09:42 PM
That’s an act. He’s a sullen miserable prick who says mate a hundred times to disarm you. But underneath it he’s bitter that’s been found out.
Ego the size of the moon with absolutely nothing to back it up apart from winning leagues in Scotland and Japan.
Please do let me know when a Canadian coach wins anything, anywhere.
Post-colonial scrap about to kick off.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 20, 2025, 12:18:24 PM
That’s an act. He’s a sullen miserable prick who says mate a hundred times to disarm you. But underneath it he’s bitter that’s been found out.
Ego the size of the moon with absolutely nothing to back it up apart from winning leagues in Scotland and Japan.
Please do let me know when a Canadian coach wins anything, anywhere.
Post-colonial scrap about to kick off.
nah, can't be arsed. He's made enough of a twat of himself with that comment.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 20, 2025, 01:29:48 PM
Post by: tricky59 on January 20, 2025, 01:55:45 PM
Part of the arrangement of earning his huge salary is media responsibilities. I know the journalists tend to ask the same pool of bland questions but he always takes it personally after another defeat and behaves like a sulky teen.
That chip from Kulusevski though...beautiful. Goal of the the 2020s imo.
I'm so pleased to find out that I'm not the only one who thought that chip was sublime.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 20, 2025, 01:57:47 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 20, 2025, 04:43:16 PM
Part of the arrangement of earning his huge salary is media responsibilities. I know the journalists tend to ask the same pool of bland questions but he always takes it personally after another defeat and behaves like a sulky teen.
That chip from Kulusevski though...beautiful. Goal of the the 2020s imo.
I'm so pleased to find out that I'm not the only one who thought that chip was sublime.
Good goals become obsolete if you end up on the losing side. See SJM Vs Sheffield Wednesday for details. Players owe it to their goal to make sure the team wins.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on January 20, 2025, 05:04:15 PM
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Post by: tricky59 on January 20, 2025, 08:13:18 PM
Same as Emi’s wonder save at Forest. We lost so won’t be remembered.
Pele - Banks
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2025, 08:22:00 PM
Part of the arrangement of earning his huge salary is media responsibilities. I know the journalists tend to ask the same pool of bland questions but he always takes it personally after another defeat and behaves like a sulky teen.
That chip from Kulusevski though...beautiful. Goal of the the 2020s imo.
I'm so pleased to find out that I'm not the only one who thought that chip was sublime.
Kulusevski is a brilliant player - he’s both physical and incredibly skilful, and never stops running.
Post by: Hillbilly on January 20, 2025, 10:42:41 PM
And there was me thinking Canadians are polite, mate.That’s an act. He’s a sullen miserable prick who says mate a hundred times to disarm you. But underneath it he’s bitter that’s been found out.
Ego the size of the moon with absolutely nothing to back it up apart from winning leagues in Scotland and Japan.
Please do let me know when a Canadian coach wins anything, anywhere.
Post-colonial scrap about to kick off.
nah, can't be arsed. He's made enough of a twat of himself with that comment.
Post by: VillaTim on January 26, 2025, 10:53:08 PM
This is why I advocate lots of rotation with the panel .
Post by: Somniloquism on January 29, 2025, 11:22:13 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 29, 2025, 11:25:55 PM
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Post by: Somniloquism on January 30, 2025, 11:18:02 AM
This tweet is interesting though showing the setup for them before recording.
https://x.com/LaurensJulien/status/1884683756256026652
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 16, 2025, 06:02:35 PM
2 things
The editing - in the show piece after the game they showed at least 3 good saves they did not show in the main edit. This made the game look so much even to how it actually was.
2nd point - during the GK montage they showed the incident where he blocked Ramsay outside the area, as much as not a direct foul he clearly moves the ball with his arm outside te box. How was that not picked up by VAR and discussed in the studio?
Post by: Hampshire Villa on February 16, 2025, 06:09:23 PM
Interesting also not a word about the Villa stats as in a previous game and also they conveniently forgot about the totting up of fouls by Tuanzebe the ref pointed this out at the time of the first card.
Post by: eamonn on February 16, 2025, 06:10:05 PM
Re the editing - they often do this - save some bits not deemed worthy of being in the main highlights but used in the analysis to augment the point that they're making. Possibly also done to keep the average viewer interested who may not care for tactic-talk.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 16, 2025, 10:08:57 PM
Post by: Nev on February 17, 2025, 06:57:50 AM
It's a shame 'cos MOTD has kept the simple format for so long and was perfect as it was.
Post by: VillaTim on February 22, 2025, 09:40:58 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 22, 2025, 10:07:24 PM
Arse v wet spam
Ipswich v spuds
Everton v manure
Bournemouth v wolves
Us
Southampton v Brighton
Fulham v palace
Post by: Somniloquism on February 22, 2025, 10:21:48 PM
My guess:
Arse v wet spam
Ipswich v spuds
Everton v manure
Bournemouth v wolves
Us
Southampton v Brighton
Fulham v palace
Similar but would swap Wolves match for ours being as there was only 1 goal in it. We might even make 3rd
Post by: Somniloquism on February 22, 2025, 10:33:25 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 22, 2025, 10:34:52 PM
Second.
That's okay, quite happy to watch Arsenal lose first.
Post by: VillaTim on February 22, 2025, 10:48:38 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on February 22, 2025, 11:12:04 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 22, 2025, 11:13:35 PM
Didn't mention the penalty call
more of a pen that the everton one which was also a pen .
Post by: Somniloquism on February 22, 2025, 11:13:42 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on February 22, 2025, 11:17:30 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 22, 2025, 11:19:12 PM
Didn't mention the penalty call
more of a pen that the everton one which was also a pen .
I don't think the Everton one was a pen, as Young oversold the dive. Having said that, if it was a penalty for Yanited, VAR likely wouldn't have got involved.
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 22, 2025, 11:29:44 PM
He did oversell it, but it was still a pen imoDidn't mention the penalty call
more of a pen that the everton one which was also a pen .
I don't think the Everton one was a pen, as Young oversold the dive. Having said that, if it was a penalty for Yanited, VAR likely wouldn't have got involved.
Post by: Rory on February 23, 2025, 12:13:20 AM
If there was a foul, Young's acting is irrelevant. If there was no foul, Young should be booked for diving.
But this appears to be one of those subjective incidents where Ashley Young is condemned for 'overacting' and Bruno Fernandes is praised for being 'clever'.
Post by: KevinGage on February 23, 2025, 10:14:09 AM
"What a difference a David makes."
Won't miss Gary Rinkarse's shite patter when he shuffles off at the end of the season.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 23, 2025, 11:30:23 AM
I haven't seen it, I'll be honest, but it sounds exactly like the kind of double-standard we should all hate.
If there was a foul, Young's acting is irrelevant. If there was no foul, Young should be booked for diving.
But this appears to be one of those subjective incidents where Ashley Young is condemned for 'overacting' and Bruno Fernandes is praised for being 'clever'.
Two short shirt pulls by De Ligt and a grab at by 50p. All contrived to mean Young wasn't getting the ball, but a penalty was never being given unless he went to ground because Refs don't seem to think of them unless the player shows obvious impediment. As others have mentioned, there was more contact in the Bogarde one, but as he didn't go to ground enough, the ref decided no foul. VAR needs to answer definitely why they showed the ref angles only from one side for the Young one, and why they think a player actually digging in the heels to pull a player back is not a foul.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 23, 2025, 11:40:14 AM
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Post by: Somniloquism on February 23, 2025, 12:23:02 PM
Even with one of the Everton goals (might have been the first one), you got the sense that the VAR was desperately trying to find a reason to rule it out.
TBF, if the Everton player had touched it, he was offside. However on the first 5 passthroughs it should have been seen that there was no credible evidence of the touch so give it.
Post by: Stu on February 23, 2025, 12:23:32 PM
Reminded me that Emi Martinez is a huge factor in our defence, frightening / distracting the opposing players running towards him. What a great player he is.
I love him
Post by: Somniloquism on March 05, 2025, 10:00:16 PM
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Post by: Somniloquism on March 05, 2025, 10:48:14 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 05, 2025, 10:49:30 PM
Probably because it is a game that is 24 hours old.Shouldn't make any difference.
Post by: Chip Butty 111 on March 05, 2025, 10:58:26 PM
Usually the way on the BBC coverage..it's yesterday's newsProbably because it is a game that is 24 hours old.Shouldn't make any difference.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 05, 2025, 10:59:29 PM
Usually the way on the BBC coverage..it's yesterday's newsProbably because it is a game that is 24 hours old.Shouldn't make any difference.
It's almost always the way with highlight shows. You'd think he'd know this.
Post by: VillaTim on March 05, 2025, 11:23:56 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on March 05, 2025, 11:38:08 PM
Interesting comments re the timing and impact of subs as well, especially Asensio.
Post by: Gareth on March 05, 2025, 11:40:23 PM
Lewis-Skelly is one incredibly dirty bastard
Bit of a rash tackler maybe…dirty bastard nowhere near that
Post by: VillaTim on March 05, 2025, 11:48:08 PM
Post by: eamonn on March 06, 2025, 01:04:14 AM
Lewis-Skelly is one incredibly dirty bastard
Bit of a rash tackler maybe…dirty bastard nowhere near that
Think he had a bet on himself for the fastest to three red cards before your 19th birthday.
Post by: Hillbilly on March 06, 2025, 03:15:58 AM
Bit like the Keane-Scholes dichotomy. Keane was undeniably a deliberately dirty bastard. Scholes was always seen as a rash forward trying to tackle. But the end result was the same regardless of whether it was dirty or reckless. Both a danger to other players.Lewis-Skelly is one incredibly dirty bastard
Bit of a rash tackler maybe…dirty bastard nowhere near that
Post by: VillaTim on March 08, 2025, 09:26:45 PM
C115y losing
LiVARpool
The mighty villa
The rest
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 08, 2025, 09:32:31 PM
Post by: Baldy on March 10, 2025, 06:26:26 PM
This sounds a bit crap!!
I already fast forward through most of the analysis.
Post by: frank black on March 10, 2025, 07:10:35 PM
Adding extra analysis isn’t a selling point for me.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on March 10, 2025, 07:29:17 PM
Post by: VillaTim on March 10, 2025, 07:52:19 PM
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/cjw29g426nvoSo less football, more gibberish .
This sounds a bit crap!!
I already fast forward through most of the analysis.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 10, 2025, 09:38:56 PM
from what I see and hear there are heaps of Manchester based reporters already at BBC
Post by: rob_bridge on March 10, 2025, 09:48:09 PM
Yep, can’t remember the last time I watched MOTD live. Always fast forward the waffling, unless there’s a contentious decision discussion or it’s our match.
Adding extra analysis isn’t a selling point for me.
The CL MOTD generally good. My 5 year old does the fast forwarding except for Unai interviews
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 10, 2025, 09:49:24 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 10, 2025, 09:54:41 PM
Shah asking for more insight doesn’t mean actual insight will come
Unless they invite you on the show.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 10, 2025, 10:04:46 PM
I to only watch on record with a finger on fast forward. It just shows how out of touch the BBC is with the general public
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 10, 2025, 10:10:46 PM
November!
There’s something about Richards that doesn’t add up generally i feel.
This though in the bad old days
Where we are now makes think that was another club!
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 10, 2025, 10:11:59 PM
he never stood up and be counted and has audacity to besmirch Garde.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 10, 2025, 10:40:06 PM
I to only watch on record with a finger on fast forward. It just shows how out of touch the BBC is with the general public
C'mon now, we all wanted an interview with Sir Jim Ratcliffe on the News at Ten.
Post by: martin o`who?? on March 11, 2025, 11:17:35 AM
Post by: paul_e on March 11, 2025, 11:27:54 AM
If it were up to me I'd have no more than 5mins of highlights per game (also available on iplayer alongside a longer version).
I'd then have about the same amount of time (for each game) to talk about incidents, have interviews, etc.
Highlights are easy to find and if that's all you're after there are many better options. For MotD to survive it needs to add something on top. That does mean they need to improve the quality of the analysis though. Get someone doing what Adam Cleary or Statman Dave offer and I think the show would be all the better for it.
Post by: Rigadon on March 11, 2025, 11:28:22 AM
The BBCs football coverage has been on the slide for years and this idea is just another nail in its Coffin. They need to ask themselves a very simple question - why does everyone put the kettle on or go to the bog, walk the dog etc at half time during live games? - because most people want action, not chat thats why.
I don't mind the analysis on MOTD, as it can sometimes be fairly insightful. The half time punditry on live games is nauseating though and I don't tend to watch it or the pre-game stuff.
Post by: rob_bridge on March 12, 2025, 10:45:24 AM
The BBCs football coverage has been on the slide for years and this idea is just another nail in its Coffin. They need to ask themselves a very simple question - why does everyone put the kettle on or go to the bog, walk the dog etc at half time during live games? - because most people want action, not chat thats why.
For the first time ever whilst at home I watched the Euro final on ITV, not that I watched any half time twaddle there either.
The Beeb's coverage of England games was utterly embarrassing. One match suggested it was like us under Eric Black and another like Brazil 1970 - neither were in any way true.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 12, 2025, 10:16:53 PM
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Post by: cdbearsfan on March 12, 2025, 10:53:30 PM
Anyone doing the CL Squares on the BBC website. Best I have ever done points wise with 40 (although previous nights have all been 0), although I'm still in with a chance of big points with the Madrid derby still going. Only Tielemans let me down by not committing one foul all night.
I had a look at it. Didn't understand it.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 12, 2025, 10:57:11 PM
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Post by: Witton Warrior on March 13, 2025, 12:01:12 PM
I don't know how much of that was because it is Liverpool, and how much was to get the Madrid highlights prepped.
They showed no ET action at all
Post by: Somniloquism on March 13, 2025, 03:43:21 PM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 17, 2025, 11:01:20 AM
Well he didn't have a birds-eye view of the pitch and top Beeb researchers and help when slumped in the dugouts at Pride Park, Home Park or the Trillion Trophy Stadium.
Exactly. They are fed the analysis and their career as footballers is supposed to give it more weight. I just wish they’d pick pundits who could articulate it better.
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 17, 2025, 01:21:53 PM
Well he didn't have a birds-eye view of the pitch and top Beeb researchers and help when slumped in the dugouts at Pride Park, Home Park or the Trillion Trophy Stadium.
Exactly. They are fed the analysis and their career as footballers is supposed to give it more weight. I just wish they’d pick pundits who could articulate it better.
As mentioned by a few, Stephen Warnock is exactly that - speaks with authority and is clear and concise.
Troy Deeney is awful but still a hundred times better than the braying donkey Richards who looks and acts like a total tosser
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 17, 2025, 01:39:49 PM
Seedorf is really good on the champions league matches. Know his stuff, is assured but also seems reasonably humble but must also think who the feck is this eejit every time Daniel Sturridge rambles on.Well he didn't have a birds-eye view of the pitch and top Beeb researchers and help when slumped in the dugouts at Pride Park, Home Park or the Trillion Trophy Stadium.
Exactly. They are fed the analysis and their career as footballers is supposed to give it more weight. I just wish they’d pick pundits who could articulate it better.
As mentioned by a few, Stephen Warnock is exactly that - speaks with authority and is clear and concise.
Troy Deeney is awful but still a hundred times better than the braying donkey Richards who looks and acts like a total tosser
Post by: Dave on March 17, 2025, 05:02:49 PM
Seedorf is really good on the champions league matches
Although he lost a few points for his "penalties are just a lottery" nonsense in the Liverpool - Real game last week.
Post by: DeLaCruzing on March 17, 2025, 05:17:51 PM
Seedorf is really good on the champions league matches
Although he lost a few points for his "penalties are just a lottery" nonsense in the Liverpool - Real game last week.
He was definitely talking nonsense if about a game that didn’t take place last week.
Post by: Dave on March 17, 2025, 05:20:15 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 02, 2025, 10:45:10 PM
Unfortunately the hyena is on.
Post by: Louzie0 on April 02, 2025, 11:10:33 PM
Is it my imagination or have Villa taken a few people by surprise at this stage in the season, including us!
Post by: papa lazarou on April 02, 2025, 11:10:45 PM
Post by: Rory on April 02, 2025, 11:18:33 PM
That was nice!
Is it my imagination or have Villa taken a few people by surprise at this stage in the season, including us!
In terms of league position, I think right now we're doing about as well I expected at the beginning of the season (NO insight). The surprise for me is that we're still in the CL and FA Cup, to boot 🙂
Post by: rob_bridge on April 02, 2025, 11:19:48 PM
That was nice!
Is it my imagination or have Villa taken a few people by surprise at this stage in the season, including us!
That was 2 years ago when we all saw it coming.
Or last year when pundits thought we would fold to Spurs or ManU despite Chelsea being a big threat.
This year should not be a surprise - we have a bigger and broader squad with more quality. Whether we can put it together for another 15 games is an ask
Post by: Somniloquism on April 04, 2025, 02:39:24 PM
Quote
Liam Delap (Ipswich): Scored a massive goal in a monumental game for Ipswich. I was desperate to put Marcus Rashford in for the first time but he only played 65 minutes so that will have to wait.
Delap was subbed on 72 minutes.
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Neco Williams (Nottingham Forest): He has been excellent all season for Forest and never gets spoken about. He moved across from left-back to right-back against Manchester United, dealt with it and just delivered again.
Position in the team of the week, Left back.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 05, 2025, 10:16:32 PM
Post by: jon collett on April 05, 2025, 10:18:29 PM
We should be on first unless the A23 derby takes top billing.
Please keep me updated on running order as using I player later
Post by: rougegorge on April 05, 2025, 10:23:29 PM
Yes it is the first match on.We should be on first unless the A23 derby takes top billing.
Please keep me updated on running order as using I player later
Post by: VillaTim on April 05, 2025, 10:25:10 PM
Post by: VillaTim on April 05, 2025, 11:33:46 PM
Got to hand it to fa cup ears and MOTD on the continual disrespect. Murphy too with his game analysis.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 06, 2025, 08:07:57 AM
"Defeat for Nottingham Forest leaves Chelsea and Manchester City within striking distance. Meanwhile Aston Villa move to 6th"
Got to hand it to fa cup ears and MOTD on the continual disrespect. Murphy too with his game analysis.
If I was a Forest fan I'd be far more worried about Newcastle and Villa than Chelsea
Post by: VillaTim on April 12, 2025, 10:44:04 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 12, 2025, 10:47:00 PM
We on last then .
Third, which seems about right.
Post by: jon collett on April 12, 2025, 10:48:00 PM
Not sure he understands the metaphor here!
Post by: Somniloquism on April 12, 2025, 10:49:14 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 12, 2025, 10:52:00 PM
“like their name is on the Champions League”
Not sure he understands the metaphor here!
Yeah, I raised a metaphorical eyebrow at that comment.
Post by: olaftab on April 12, 2025, 11:06:23 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 12, 2025, 11:12:13 PM
How does Micah Richards gets away with his absolute lazy punditry? The bit he did on second pen was totally embarrassing.
I genuinely don't know. Maybe he is on to make the other 2 look better than they are.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 12, 2025, 11:29:32 PM
How does Micah Richards gets away with his absolute lazy punditry? The bit he did on second pen was totally embarrassing.
I'm more concerned by his cardigan.
Post by: Ian. on April 12, 2025, 11:33:38 PM
Post by: Rory on April 13, 2025, 12:03:57 AM
How does Micah Richards gets away with his absolute lazy punditry? The bit he did on second pen was totally embarrassing.
He's like Marmite: black (which helps with inclusivity, which is important on TV) and divides opinion.
I don't care for him, but nobody could claim he's boring. Better value than someone like Danny Murphy, who is just an ear infection in human form.
Post by: German James on April 13, 2025, 12:48:26 AM
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Post by: Hookeysmith on April 13, 2025, 06:31:04 PM
Did our commentator call Emi ‘probably the best goalkeeper in the world’?
Probably....err actually supported with trophies to that effect...wankers
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 13, 2025, 06:37:04 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 13, 2025, 06:40:23 PM
Yeah, Emi's won the last two Yashin awards but I'm more concerned with him making the wrong step away from the side of the goal where PSG got their first and flapping at a shot (which he also did at Monaco leading to their winner) just before. Got beaten at his near post for the second too but I'll let him off as it came at him at 120 mph and Disasi was made look like a bigger div.
Post by: VillaTim on April 13, 2025, 06:45:48 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on April 13, 2025, 06:49:43 PM
Hope he’s set up well for Tuesday and this result will have helped. Clean Sheet!
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 13, 2025, 06:57:48 PM
Did our commentator call Emi ‘probably the best goalkeeper in the world’?
Probably....err actually supported with trophies to that effect...wankers
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 13, 2025, 07:08:30 PM
I'm not sure why you'd get offended by them complimenting our goalkeeper.
Honestly, baffling.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 13, 2025, 07:35:21 PM
I'm not sure why you'd get offended by them complimenting our goalkeeper.
Not offended at all. I agree. It’s just that I’ve heard so many discussions about ‘the best in the world’ wherein he hasn’t had a mention. I watched it dozing off at about 3am so I wasn’t sure if I’d remembered it right.
Not sure why people have read so much into my question.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 13, 2025, 07:44:55 PM
I agree with you, and thought it was nice to hear a commentator say so. I also think the Liverpool and Arsenal goalkeepers are very good, and don't watch European football enough to know if there are other contenders.
Based on the matches I've seen this season at Villa Park, the Ipswich goalkeeper is the best in the world, but I'm assuming that's atypical or... he wouldn't be playing for Ipswich.
More than happy to have a goalkeeper who is in the conversation, anyway.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 13, 2025, 07:45:29 PM
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Post by: Hookeysmith on April 13, 2025, 11:11:26 PM
With our guy, its not just punditry opinions, there are actually attained awards for being the best in the world so I am surprised it is not mentioned as more matter of fact.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 13, 2025, 11:12:41 PM
Post by: Rory on April 14, 2025, 12:38:03 AM
Commentators think non-Liverpool supporting English fans were happy they won the Champions League in 2005 or that we are all delighted that Newcastle won the League Cup.
If ever I find myself agreeing with a commentator, I re-evaluate my opinion on the assumption I got something wrong.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 14, 2025, 12:45:14 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 14, 2025, 12:58:26 AM
I've just been talking to all the commentators and they were telling me how much they really like Rory.
You're listening to Radio 5's coverage of the Masters as well.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 14, 2025, 01:08:48 AM
Post by: Rory on April 14, 2025, 01:29:21 AM
That's why I've given up on human companionship. I live with the animals. I talk with the animals. I make love with the animals.
I am a horny Mowgli.
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 14, 2025, 01:32:16 AM
Post by: Rory on April 14, 2025, 01:39:15 AM
It's probably just the allegations of being a golfer that are scaring potential friends away.
Oh I reckon I have the formula to destroy golf. It's within me.
I am not much good at any sport, but can get by playing pretty much any of them. Football, cricket, rugby, tennis, snooker, darts. You name it, I can play it to a low standard.
But get every golfer and watcher in the world along to see me playing golf, and they would see something so ugly it would put them off for life.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 14, 2025, 10:38:01 AM
Not having a go at you, Hookey, but I don't know why anybody would take notice of anything commentators say.
Commentators think non-Liverpool supporting English fans were happy they won the Champions League in 2005 or that we are all delighted that Newcastle won the League Cup.
If ever I find myself agreeing with a commentator, I re-evaluate my opinion on the assumption I got something wrong.
You mean you didn't want ManU to win their historic treble That Night In Barcelona?
Post by: Somniloquism on April 14, 2025, 11:48:36 AM
It's probably just the allegations of being a golfer that are scaring potential friends away.
Oh I reckon I have the formula to destroy golf. It's within me.
I am not much good at any sport, but can get by playing pretty much any of them. Football, cricket, rugby, tennis, snooker, darts. You name it, I can play it to a low standard.
But get every golfer and watcher in the world along to see me playing golf, and they would see something so ugly it would put them off for life.
Especially when they didn't expect that when you promised you would definitely be nailing Birdies, Eagles and the occasional albatross.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 14, 2025, 01:40:37 PM
Not having a go at you, Hookey, but I don't know why anybody would take notice of anything commentators say.
Commentators think non-Liverpool supporting English fans were happy they won the Champions League in 2005 or that we are all delighted that Newcastle won the League Cup.
If ever I find myself agreeing with a commentator, I re-evaluate my opinion on the assumption I got something wrong.
I do agree with you...I torture myself working at home listening to Talk Sport (i know i know) and i get wound up, especially when it is United FM at times but i still think we deserve a lot more praise than we get.
I suppose im like a desperate parent who wants everyone to love their child !
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 14, 2025, 01:45:23 PM
Post by: Rory on April 14, 2025, 07:24:56 PM
Not having a go at you, Hookey, but I don't know why anybody would take notice of anything commentators say.
Commentators think non-Liverpool supporting English fans were happy they won the Champions League in 2005 or that we are all delighted that Newcastle won the League Cup.
If ever I find myself agreeing with a commentator, I re-evaluate my opinion on the assumption I got something wrong.
You mean you didn't want ManU to win their historic treble That Night In Barcelona?
The happiest day of my life...
I only knew one Man Utd fan at that time, and I still hated them. Then I went to secondary school and the bastards were everywhere.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 14, 2025, 08:49:52 PM
Post by: Rory on April 14, 2025, 09:17:28 PM
That night in Istanbul was somehow worse.
I was on a webcall throughout that game with a girl who supported Liverpool. Having to pretend to be happy for her was agonising.
Post by: olaftab on April 14, 2025, 09:25:01 PM
Things we do for that and the other😊That night in Istanbul was somehow worse.I was on a webcall throughout that game with a girl who supported Liverpool. Having to pretend to be happy for her was agonising.
Post by: Rory on April 14, 2025, 10:07:14 PM
Things we do for that and the other😊That night in Istanbul was somehow worse.I was on a webcall throughout that game with a girl who supported Liverpool. Having to pretend to be happy for her was agonising.
I got neither in the end, anyway.
I'm like the anti-SE: all of my youthful tales finish with me not getting sex.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 14, 2025, 10:12:20 PM
That night in Istanbul was somehow worse.
Luckily I missed all of that as was on an extended round the world post-split up trip. Back in the day where internet wasn't on phones. On the flight to San Francisco from NZ.
Pilot came on to advise a lot of people had asked about the score in an important match.
He gave the State of Origin score,
Post by: Drummond on April 15, 2025, 07:41:26 AM
I took solace from the stories he told me of loads of their supporters who fucked off at half time and missed it all.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 19, 2025, 10:31:20 PM
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Post by: Somniloquism on April 19, 2025, 10:38:41 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 19, 2025, 10:49:19 PM
All goals were really well worked. It should have been 8.2
Post by: Somniloquism on April 19, 2025, 10:50:05 PM
Post by: Monty on April 19, 2025, 10:50:26 PM
Thank goodness Dion is on instead of Shearer crying somewhere. Christ even Keown is being nice. Must be happy we have scuppered Geordies march on 2nd.
All goals were really well worked. It should have been 8.2
8-0.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 19, 2025, 10:51:42 PM
Thank goodness Dion is on instead of Shearer crying somewhere. Christ even Keown is being nice. Must be happy we have scuppered Geordies march on 2nd.
All goals were really well worked. It should have been 8.2
8-0.
Yep but if we got to 8 we would have gifted them 2. Like Everton all those years back (1989)
Post by: Rory on April 19, 2025, 10:54:47 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 19, 2025, 10:56:52 PM
Awful take on this. (Young band from Brumingham)
Post by: AV82EC on April 19, 2025, 10:56:54 PM
No doubt it's just me being stupid, but what was that 'pass the Georgies on the left hand side' thing? I don't get it.
Musical Youth reference?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 19, 2025, 10:57:05 PM
No doubt it's just me being stupid, but what was that 'pass the Georgies on the left hand side' thing? I don't get it.
Musical Youth
Post by: rob_bridge on April 19, 2025, 10:58:56 PM
No doubt it's just me being stupid, but what was that 'pass the Georgies on the left hand side' thing? I don't get it.
There was band called Musical Youth from Saltley (nearish to Aston) back in early 80s. 2nd generation Jamaincans mostly. Their main hit was 'Pass the Dutchie on the left hand side'. The Dutchie being a large hand rolled cigarette with additional ingredients.
So it was crap pun on that. Really crap. I don't recall them having a football supporting preference.
Post by: Rory on April 19, 2025, 11:01:45 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 19, 2025, 11:02:03 PM
Post by: VillaTim on April 19, 2025, 11:02:10 PM
No surprise the BBC are trying to make Watkins comments as a thing against Villa both on MOTD and on the website as the lead angle. He was stating it in a joking manner in the same way the question was asked by Redknapp.Just the BBC trying to throw petrol onto the Watkins to Arsenal fire
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 19, 2025, 11:03:00 PM
Post by: Rory on April 19, 2025, 11:04:42 PM
It's safe to say Rory's street cred has just taken a bit of a bashing. :(
Weirdly, I know the song, I just couldn't get my head around the 'Geordie' bit. That's so bad it isn't really a pun at all.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 19, 2025, 11:05:53 PM
It's safe to say Rory's street cred has just taken a bit of a bashing. :(
Weirdly, I know the song, I just couldn't get my head around the 'Geordie' bit. That's so bad it isn't really a pun at all.
Agreed, even I wouldn't have bothered with that one.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 19, 2025, 11:06:58 PM
It's safe to say Rory's street cred has just taken a bit of a bashing. :(
Weirdly, I know the song, I just couldn't get my head around the 'Geordie' bit. That's so bad it isn't really a pun at all.
Well Lineker is a doddering old man on the verge of retirement.....
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 19, 2025, 11:08:45 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2025, 11:09:05 PM
No surprise the BBC are trying to make Watkins comments as a thing against Villa both on MOTD and on the website as the lead angle. He was stating it in a joking manner in the same way the question was asked by Redknapp.Just the BBC trying to throw petrol onto the Watkins to Arsenal fire
I didn’t think MOTD were trying to make it something against Villa, just it was unusual to hear it - which it is.
Post by: London Villan on April 19, 2025, 11:13:15 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 19, 2025, 11:14:11 PM
Post by: Monty on April 19, 2025, 11:15:00 PM
Not seen the schar red anywhere yet?
Hindsight, but I'm glad he didn't get sent off. No excuses for them.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 19, 2025, 11:17:34 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 19, 2025, 11:33:39 PM
Mbuemo and Wissa are really good players. They gave us a hard time this time last year IIRC
Mbuemo and Mitoma would be high on my shopping list.
Post by: Mellin on April 19, 2025, 11:35:14 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 19, 2025, 11:41:21 PM
Post by: Mister E on April 19, 2025, 11:46:12 PM
mitoma is a media creation: on the pitch he is very in and out.Mbuemo and Wissa are really good players. They gave us a hard time this time last year IIRC
Mbuemo and Mitoma would be high on my shopping list.
Post by: OCD on April 20, 2025, 07:05:27 AM
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Post by: AV84 on April 20, 2025, 09:00:57 AM
That's not quite the compliment I think he intended, as City have been poor for a while now, but it's still nice to hear.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 20, 2025, 09:02:23 AM
Post by: olaftab on April 20, 2025, 12:42:09 PM
Careful now Somni there are few of us around here in that category😏Well Lineker is a doddering old man on the verge of retirement.....It's safe to say Rory's street cred has just taken a bit of a bashing. :(
Weirdly, I know the song, I just couldn't get my head around the 'Geordie' bit. That's so bad it isn't really a pun at all.
Post by: olaftab on April 20, 2025, 12:43:30 PM
"They play like that on Tuesday, they'll beat City, that's how good they were".Yes that's no benchmark.
That's not quite the compliment I think he intended, as City have been poor for a while now, but it's still nice to hear.
Post by: olaftab on April 20, 2025, 12:46:34 PM
Yes and also I reckon that helped us as Newcastle didn't abandon the idea of a win.Not seen the schar red anywhere yet?Hindsight, but I'm glad he didn't get sent off. No excuses for them.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 20, 2025, 12:47:09 PM
Careful now Somni there are few of us around here in that category😏Well Lineker is a doddering old man on the verge of retirement.....It's safe to say Rory's street cred has just taken a bit of a bashing. :(
Weirdly, I know the song, I just couldn't get my head around the 'Geordie' bit. That's so bad it isn't really a pun at all.
I know, I've seen your attempts at puns as well.
Post by: maidstonevillain on April 20, 2025, 01:49:45 PM
Oh these youngsters.
Awful take on this. (Young band from Brumingham)
As an aside. About '85/86 I bought my wife (then girlfriend) a beige Ford Fiesta on the car park at Castle Bromwich British Car Auctions (the dealer didn't have all the paperwork and was desperate for cash before Christmas). Went round to the dealers place somewhere on the Stratford Road or Coventry Road and sorted out cash and paperwork. I asked why the number plates had Musical Youth printed along the bottom. Transpired the previous owner had been the little kid out of Musical Youth. It was his first car.
Brilliant car. She had it for years. Have a couple of photographs of it somewhere when we took it for a drive to Cannock Chase when it went though the 100,000 miles.
Post by: olaftab on April 20, 2025, 01:59:59 PM
I know, I've seen your attempts at puns as well.Harsh but true.....😊
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2025, 12:33:54 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on May 03, 2025, 11:00:25 PM
Keep him away from that Gobshite Richards.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 10, 2025, 10:31:20 PM
Post by: VillaTim on May 10, 2025, 10:34:06 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 10, 2025, 10:34:17 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on May 10, 2025, 10:45:37 PM
We aren't Shay's first team but he does like us a lot.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 10, 2025, 10:47:43 PM
Post by: VillaTim on May 10, 2025, 10:49:00 PM
Post by: London Villan on May 10, 2025, 10:51:25 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on May 10, 2025, 10:58:58 PM
I also appreciated the comments about Cash, Emi and Onana - and Unai, in the commentary.
What a weekend!
Post by: Crown Hill on May 10, 2025, 10:59:27 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 10, 2025, 10:59:47 PM
Good to see Ollie getting the recognition he deserves for setting the new record. I didn’t realise what a significant difference there was in the number of games between reaching his record and Gabby’s total.
I also appreciated the comments about Cash, Emi and Onana - and Unai, in the commentary.
What a weekend!
It took Gabby all his footballing career.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 10, 2025, 11:00:15 PM
Some of Pearce commentary had obviously been added on after the game which seems a bit disingenuous to me!
Which bits? They mentioned Ollie the previous week as well.
Post by: VillaTim on May 10, 2025, 11:08:18 PM
He was particularly harsh on Ramsey , ignored the player who cynically fouled him and could have brought on a long term injury and focused upon Ramsey's "petulant immature" reaction . TWhat .Some of Pearce commentary had obviously been added on after the game which seems a bit disingenuous to me!
Which bits? They mentioned Ollie the previous week as well.
Post by: Mellin on May 10, 2025, 11:08:30 PM
Good to see Ollie getting the recognition he deserves for setting the new record. I didn’t realise what a significant difference there was in the number of games between reaching his record and Gabby’s total.
I also appreciated the comments about Cash, Emi and Onana - and Unai, in the commentary.
What a weekend!
It took Gabby all his footballing career.
To be fair to Agbonlahor he wasn't able to add to his tally for the last season or two of his career, as he was busy testing the foundations of our Championship bench.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 10, 2025, 11:12:12 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 10, 2025, 11:12:38 PM
He was particularly harsh on Ramsey , ignored the player who cynically fouled him and could have brought on a long term injury and focused upon Ramsey's "petulant immature" reaction . TWhat .Some of Pearce commentary had obviously been added on after the game which seems a bit disingenuous to me!
Which bits? They mentioned Ollie the previous week as well.
But was that the bits added in after the match?
And it was an immature reaction as the ref had blown and the player probably getting a yellow. And instead he picked up one as well and got Martinez one as well (Although I think that was just a shit ref not realising Emi was captain and thinking he had just ran to get involved for no reason.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 10, 2025, 11:13:18 PM
Good to see Ollie getting the recognition he deserves for setting the new record. I didn’t realise what a significant difference there was in the number of games between reaching his record and Gabby’s total.
I also appreciated the comments about Cash, Emi and Onana - and Unai, in the commentary.
What a weekend!
It took Gabby all his footballing career.
To be fair to Agbonlahor he wasn't able to add to his tally for the last season or two of his career, as he was busy testing the foundations of our Championship bench.
Well he did add 2 more to his full league total in those 2 seasons.
Post by: London Villan on May 10, 2025, 11:15:35 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2025, 11:16:08 PM
He was particularly harsh on Ramsey , ignored the player who cynically fouled him and could have brought on a long term injury and focused upon Ramsey's "petulant immature" reaction . TWhat .Some of Pearce commentary had obviously been added on after the game which seems a bit disingenuous to me!
Which bits? They mentioned Ollie the previous week as well.
But was that the bits added in after the match?
And it was an immature reaction as the ref had blown and the player probably getting a yellow. And instead he picked up one as well and got Martinez one as well (Although I think that was just a shit ref not realising Emi was captain and thinking he had just ran to get involved for no reason.
Indeed Ramsey’s reaction was daft - I understand it, but it’s daft.
Post by: VillaTim on May 10, 2025, 11:18:37 PM
Think it was a culmination of several fouls on him and that one finally got to him .again I think it's poor refereeing that ends up with him getting booked .He was particularly harsh on Ramsey , ignored the player who cynically fouled him and could have brought on a long term injury and focused upon Ramsey's "petulant immature" reaction . TWhat .Some of Pearce commentary had obviously been added on after the game which seems a bit disingenuous to me!
Which bits? They mentioned Ollie the previous week as well.
But was that the bits added in after the match?
And it was an immature reaction as the ref had blown and the player probably getting a yellow. And instead he picked up one as well and got Martinez one as well (Although I think that was just a shit ref not realising Emi was captain and thinking he had just ran to get involved for no reason.
Indeed Ramsey’s reaction was daft - I understand it, but it’s daft.
AFC dark Arts were at it all afternoon today .
Post by: Somniloquism on May 10, 2025, 11:23:19 PM
Think it was a culmination of several fouls on him and that one finally got to him .again I think it's poor refereeing that ends up with him getting booked .
AFC dark Arts were at it all afternoon today .
The ref was calling pretty much everything a foul though. That was mostly the reason we had 7 mins of stoppages in the first half. He might not have been getting his card out as much as he should have, but Ramsey's first booking was nothing but his fault. (And the same with his second.)
BUT the initial discussion was Crown Hill stating he thought Pearce had recorded lines after the match, so was that one of them?
Post by: VillaTim on May 10, 2025, 11:27:13 PM
No don't think there was any post recording going on . Do they ever do that ?Think it was a culmination of several fouls on him and that one finally got to him .again I think it's poor refereeing that ends up with him getting booked .
AFC dark Arts were at it all afternoon today .
The ref was calling pretty much everything a foul though. That was mostly the reason we had 7 mins of stoppages in the first half. He might not have been getting his card out as much as he should have, but Ramsey's first booking was nothing but his fault. (And the same with his second.)
BUT the initial discussion was Crown Hill stating he thought Pearce had recorded lines after the match, so was that one of them?
I was surprised they kind of laid into Ramsey though and also Mings for an elbow (well shay Given did ) .
Post by: Somniloquism on May 10, 2025, 11:32:50 PM
No don't think there was any post recording going on . Do they ever do that ?
I was surprised they kind of laid into Ramsey though and also Mings for an elbow (well shay Given did ) .
It has been mentioned before, no idea though and obviously they say they don't normally apart from rare times the audio has corrupted at a key moment.
As for the elbow, I suspect not much else in the match AND the geezer apparently suffering a fractured jaw meant it became a talking point. Very noticeable both outfield players thought it was nothing, but the keeper thought differently. Although didn't he used to play with Shearer? Maybe he had one too many of Shearers "accidentals" in training.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 10, 2025, 11:41:27 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 10, 2025, 11:41:39 PM
Post by: VillaTim on May 10, 2025, 11:44:02 PM
it was pure accident , they were both smiling and having a quick handshake after . Given seemed intent on looking for something that was not there .No don't think there was any post recording going on . Do they ever do that ?
I was surprised they kind of laid into Ramsey though and also Mings for an elbow (well shay Given did ) .
It has been mentioned before, no idea though and obviously they say they don't normally apart from rare times the audio has corrupted at a key moment.
As for the elbow, I suspect not much else in the match AND the geezer apparently suffering a fractured jaw meant it became a talking point. Very noticeable both outfield players thought it was nothing, but the keeper thought differently. Although didn't he used to play with Shearer? Maybe he had one too many of Shearers "accidentals" in training.
Post by: Rory on May 11, 2025, 12:58:42 AM
it was pure accident , they were both smiling and having a quick handshake after . Given seemed intent on looking for something that was not there .No don't think there was any post recording going on . Do they ever do that ?
I was surprised they kind of laid into Ramsey though and also Mings for an elbow (well shay Given did ) .
It has been mentioned before, no idea though and obviously they say they don't normally apart from rare times the audio has corrupted at a key moment.
As for the elbow, I suspect not much else in the match AND the geezer apparently suffering a fractured jaw meant it became a talking point. Very noticeable both outfield players thought it was nothing, but the keeper thought differently. Although didn't he used to play with Shearer? Maybe he had one too many of Shearers "accidentals" in training.
I don't think it was deliberate, but it was a definite 'I'm not looking so can't be done, but I know you're there, so I'll throw out an arm to make a bigger target for you to run around' move.
Anyone who thinks our Tyrone isn't capable of such dark arts should remember his 'whoops, I accidentally stepped on Ibramihovich's head' caper before we signed him.
Post by: VillaTim on May 11, 2025, 01:03:30 AM
They have just showed the away table since the start of the year. Brentford are top with 22 from 27, but we are third level with Arsenal (they have played one less) and a point ahead of Liverpool.Blimey , didn't think we'd be there .
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 11, 2025, 01:04:39 AM
Anyone who thinks our Tyrone isn't capable of such dark arts should remember his 'whoops, I accidentally stepped on Ibramihovich's head' caper before we signed him.
Don't forget he used to play for 'AFC dark Arts' [sic] before he played for us.
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 11, 2025, 07:36:09 AM
Overall form table in the league, home and away, since we lost to Palace away in late Feb, over 8 games, we’re top, won 7 lost 1.They have just showed the away table since the start of the year. Brentford are top with 22 from 27, but we are third level with Arsenal (they have played one less) and a point ahead of Liverpool.Blimey , didn't think we'd be there .
Post by: rob_bridge on May 11, 2025, 08:55:03 AM
No don't think there was any post recording going on . Do they ever do that ?Think it was a culmination of several fouls on him and that one finally got to him .again I think it's poor refereeing that ends up with him getting booked .
AFC dark Arts were at it all afternoon today .
The ref was calling pretty much everything a foul though. That was mostly the reason we had 7 mins of stoppages in the first half. He might not have been getting his card out as much as he should have, but Ramsey's first booking was nothing but his fault. (And the same with his second.)
BUT the initial discussion was Crown Hill stating he thought Pearce had recorded lines after the match, so was that one of them?
I was surprised they kind of laid into Ramsey though and also Mings for an elbow (well shay Given did ) .
They have been doing the adding in and editing over commentary for years. Pearce's stuff is the most obvious.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 11, 2025, 08:56:47 AM
Anyone who thinks Jonathan Pearce has an 'anti-Villa' agenda clearly hasn't watched MOTD much.
He worked as sports journo in West Midlands during 1980-81 season and think was a season ticket holder in Holte. I don't think he is anti Villa at all.
His team is Bristol City
Post by: Sdwbvf on May 11, 2025, 09:30:42 AM
No don't think there was any post recording going on . Do they ever do that ?Think it was a culmination of several fouls on him and that one finally got to him .again I think it's poor refereeing that ends up with him getting booked .
AFC dark Arts were at it all afternoon today .
The ref was calling pretty much everything a foul though. That was mostly the reason we had 7 mins of stoppages in the first half. He might not have been getting his card out as much as he should have, but Ramsey's first booking was nothing but his fault. (And the same with his second.)
BUT the initial discussion was Crown Hill stating he thought Pearce had recorded lines after the match, so was that one of them?
I was surprised they kind of laid into Ramsey though and also Mings for an elbow (well shay Given did ) .
They have been doing the adding in and editing over commentary for years. Pearce's stuff is the most obvious.
I quite often think most of the commentary was added afterwards. It seems stilted and like they know what's coming.
Post by: Crown Hill on May 11, 2025, 09:40:35 AM
No don't think there was any post recording going on . Do they ever do that ?Think it was a culmination of several fouls on him and that one finally got to him .again I think it's poor refereeing that ends up with him getting booked .
AFC dark Arts were at it all afternoon today .
The ref was calling pretty much everything a foul though. That was mostly the reason we had 7 mins of stoppages in the first half. He might not have been getting his card out as much as he should have, but Ramsey's first booking was nothing but his fault. (And the same with his second.)
BUT the initial discussion was Crown Hill stating he thought Pearce had recorded lines after the match, so was that one of them?
I was surprised they kind of laid into Ramsey though and also Mings for an elbow (well shay Given did ) .
They have been doing the adding in and editing over commentary for years. Pearce's stuff is the most obvious.
I quite often think most of the commentary was added afterwards. It seems stilted and like they know what's coming.
I think when I was growing up MOTD was genuine highlights so the best bits taken from the days action with commentary as it happened.
Now because of the pundits and the after match interviews they try and create a narrative for each match. That’s what annoyed me yesterday. Not that Pearce was biased against us but that it was so contrived and 20/20 hindsight. When you’ve watched the match live already it’s easy to know how the commentator was spontaneously reacting to the pictures. Pearce is particularly obvious to pick because he reads the script like an actor rather than a commentator.
Post by: Dave on May 11, 2025, 09:48:26 AM
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Quite frankly, it is ridiculous when people say that the Match of the Day commentators dub their words on afterwards.
We are at the stadium; we do 90 minutes live commentary, and then do the post-match interviews.
Sometimes, and very rarely, for technical reasons you have to re-do a line or two of commentary; but I am now in my ninth season of working on the programme and have only once had to re-dub a goal call. That was because I got the identity of the scorer wrong, which is something that every commentator dreads, and then lies awake for hours that night worrying about.
Sometimes a line or two is moved about the edit by the producer in charge of producing the highlights for a match. Mostly the viewer won’t notice, but just occasionally it jars, when a commentator predicts something might happen and then it does. Although having said that you do say things to help an edit, for example if a team are losing 3-0 and score to make it 3-1 with time running out you do wonder out loud if it could be the start of a dramatic late comeback.
So the clear answer to the original question is that the Match of the Day commentators most certainly are at the grounds, we do commentary on the whole match live, we do the post match interviews and then we go home. We do not go to BBC Sport in Salford to dub some commentary on – it’s an urban myth.
John Roeder (https://johnroder.com/blog/are-the-match-of-the-day-commentators-at-the-stadiums)
Post by: Somniloquism on May 11, 2025, 01:47:35 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2025, 02:09:51 PM
Anyone who thinks our Tyrone isn't capable of such dark arts should remember his 'whoops, I accidentally stepped on Ibramihovich's head' caper before we signed him.
Don't forget he used to play for 'AFC dark Arts' [sic] before he played for us.
And Oliveira at Reading whose face he mashed-up. Leeds fans hate him for non-violent reasons, likely more to do with his race, but you don't mess with Ty.
Post by: Louzie0 on May 11, 2025, 11:28:14 PM
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 11, 2025, 11:52:49 PM
Nice of them to do an Ollie tribute at the end of MOTD2.
Very much so. I wasn’t expecting that.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 12, 2025, 01:48:18 PM
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 12, 2025, 02:25:57 PM
The only times they used to obviously do it was when commentators were only sent to some grounds, but they needed commentary for the GotM competition so got those dubbed on if not from one of the main matches.
Gerald Sinstadt got a lot of these I seem to recall.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2025, 02:33:15 PM
Really pissed off they didn't put that on first though.
Why? They always do those sort of things at the end of the show.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 12, 2025, 02:35:20 PM
Really pissed off they didn't put that on first though.
Why? They always do those sort of things at the end of the show.
The end was way past his bedtime. He has been really ill over recent days.
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 15, 2025, 01:11:02 AM
Let's face it, there were plenty of brilliant ones to choose from.
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Villa swat aside Spurs to move into the top five.
Although later in the article....
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Morgan Rodgers' deft header was pushed past the post
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Post by: aldridgeboy on May 19, 2025, 06:22:51 PM
There. I’ve said it.
Don’t agree with his politics. But he’s an excellent presenter. Most of my adult life it’s been just him and Des Lynham before him. presenting MOTD
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2025, 06:24:53 PM
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Post by: andyh on May 19, 2025, 06:30:30 PM
If Lineker is upsetting those people, I am more than ok with it.
The fact a bloke is hounded for being a decent human being shows how fucked up we are.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2025, 06:35:02 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2025, 06:43:01 PM
I'm fairly unfussed either way by his politics, but I do the like the way that he seems to make the very worst people in the country very angry.
Yep.
Post by: eamonn on May 19, 2025, 06:44:17 PM
But he wasn't a great listener and always slaps his hands off his knees when he gives an opinion he's a little shy in sharing. Won't miss that shit either.
Post by: Dogtanian on May 19, 2025, 06:45:44 PM
:P
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 19, 2025, 06:48:44 PM
If social media had been around when racist Chinny Hill was on MOTD he wouldn't have lasted five minutes. But you would have had the same ones moaning about Lineker defending Hill.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 19, 2025, 06:52:01 PM
I like Lineker, he's a decent host, his shit jokes are great and he comes across as a good human being.
Agreed
Post by: Exeter 77 on May 19, 2025, 06:54:08 PM
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I like Lineker, he's a decent host, his shit jokes are great and he comes across as a good human being.
Yep.
Post by: VillaTim on May 19, 2025, 07:16:28 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 19, 2025, 07:19:31 PM
There was a former BBC head of something or other on R4 this morning and what he said re the BBC’s requirement for impartiality did give me pause for a moment though. So am I comfortable with Linekar using his high profile to make political comments on social media, because I largely agree with those comments?
As daft as it sounds but if Linekar was making overtly pro Isreal comments, or agreeing with Trumpian policies, would I form a different view on him having to remain impartial as a BBC employee.
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Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2025, 07:24:03 PM
I don't think it's unreasonable to apply entirely different criteria to people who work on the news output. I wouldn't expect the BBC to hire Owen Jones or Jan Moir to read the news.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2025, 07:28:41 PM
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 19, 2025, 07:30:10 PM
As others have said, MOTD is probably overdue a reboot, but Lineker still has much to offer as a presenter and what is left of BBC's sport output will be diminished without his easy charm and authority that comes from competing at the highest level.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2025, 07:30:29 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 19, 2025, 07:33:38 PM
On a slight tangent this popped up on my YouTube feed last week and I thought it was interesting.Thanks for that Exeter; really enjoyed it.
He's alright isn't he?
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on May 19, 2025, 07:33:56 PM
He thinks Piers Morgan is a ******, so that's a big plus.This.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 19, 2025, 07:35:20 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on May 19, 2025, 07:47:12 PM
Everyone that I know that has ever met him has described him as an arrogant prick or similar.
I worked with someone 5-10 years ago who remembered him as a young footballer in Leicester and that’s word for word what she said about him!
But I think we’re allowed to change, mellow, and be tempered by our experiences through life. That was a long time ago, he’s got his own family and has been through some personal struggles.
He comes across very well from this video (featuring very challenging questions), which is considerably less ‘managed’ than MOTD.
I think he’s superb on MOTD and that he’s going to be missed.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 19, 2025, 07:50:04 PM
Yep, Remember when he did the BBC golf for a short while, they very quickly booted him ino touch.
That's because most golf people are fascists.
EDIT: Worse than fascists, Oswald Mosley at least had good dress sense.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2025, 08:06:07 PM
Yep, Remember when he did the BBC golf for a short while, they very quickly booted him ino touch.
That's because most golf people are fascists.
EDIT: Worse than fascists, Oswald Mosley at least had good dress sense.
Well said, brother.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2025, 08:10:16 PM
Post by: Dave on May 19, 2025, 08:10:28 PM
He thinks Piers Morgan is a ******, so that's a big plus.This.
I think they're actually pretty friendly and it's all a big social media bantz thing.
Post by: D.boy on May 19, 2025, 08:20:53 PM
Without wishing to come across as an apologist, was it universally known that that a rat represented anti semitism?I had no idea. I don't mind Lineker and I find Shearer quite amusing as well.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2025, 08:22:35 PM
On a slight tangent this popped up on my YouTube feed last week and I thought it was interesting.Thanks for that Exeter; really enjoyed it.
He's alright isn't he?
For anyone who hasn't watched this series (The Assembly on ITV, although the pilot is actually on iPlayer with Michael Sheen), it's well worth it.
Post by: D.boy on May 19, 2025, 08:26:45 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 19, 2025, 08:26:48 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2025, 08:27:46 PM
I watched the Lineker one and thought it was very good.
They're all pretty decent.
Post by: eamonn on May 19, 2025, 08:31:19 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2025, 08:53:56 PM
Yeah, Danny Dire and David Tennant were good value as was Jade Thirlwell. The neurodivergent-fuelled questions were hilarious.
What you really need is a proper arsehole to do it, but obviously they wouldn't.
Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2025, 10:11:01 PM
The thing that went on in his favour was not being a Top 6 fanboy. Just a bit bland.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2025, 10:13:46 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2025, 10:23:52 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2025, 10:51:49 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 19, 2025, 10:52:52 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 20, 2025, 09:08:29 AM
Be careful what you wish for. They could easily decide to replace "bland" with "edgy" or, even worse, "wacky", and the whole programme would be quickly rendered unwatchable.
Well it'll be Cates, Logan and "Chappers". Can't seeing it being less bland.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 20, 2025, 09:30:32 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2025, 10:02:35 AM
Post by: Dave on May 20, 2025, 10:03:59 AM
Is there anything to be said for another "Tactics Truck"?
To be reversed over Micah Richards?
Post by: Villa in Denmark on May 20, 2025, 11:36:34 AM
Is there anything to be said for another "Tactics Truck"?
To be reversed over Micah Richards?
Surely that's a job for ACR.
Post by: VillaTim on August 16, 2025, 10:15:54 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 16, 2025, 10:56:04 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 16, 2025, 10:56:53 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on August 16, 2025, 11:49:05 PM
Possibly more, so fast it’s practically subliminal.
Meh!
Post by: Louzie0 on August 16, 2025, 11:53:17 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2025, 12:18:49 AM
Post by: Louzie0 on August 17, 2025, 12:22:31 AM
Not a great first MOTD appearance for Villa, but Toon didn’t get a win, no matter what the focus was ( according to MOTD).
Post by: Louzie0 on August 17, 2025, 12:37:50 AM
Good idea, I wonder how they will decide throughout the season?
Post by: Rory on August 17, 2025, 01:25:53 AM
Rooney is 15 years younger than Shearer and yet looks older than him.
He has the air of a James Gandolfini. A man always destined to die well before his time.
Even when he was a player at his peak he didn't look well.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 17, 2025, 10:07:16 AM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 17, 2025, 10:15:35 AM
Rooney is 15 years younger than Shearer and yet looks older than him.
He has the air of a James Gandolfini. A man always destined to die well before his time.
Even when he was a player at his peak he didn't look well.
Maron , what you gonna do ? !
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 17, 2025, 11:05:10 AM
Post by: Pat McMahon on August 17, 2025, 12:26:57 PM
I had a laugh at Shearer thinking a return train ticket from Newcastle to Birmingham is £30.
I thought the £30 referred to the away ticket but wasn’t paying full attention
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2025, 12:58:49 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on August 17, 2025, 01:02:09 PM
Advance return, probably is, no?
No. As it is cross country and there is no competition you couldn't even get one way for less then £40.
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2025, 01:04:16 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2025, 02:14:06 PM
I had a laugh at Shearer thinking a return train ticket from Newcastle to Birmingham is £30.
I thought the £30 referred to the away ticket but wasn’t paying full attention
No, he showed his ignorance again there by saying they paid £60/70 for a ticket, before the train fare faux-par.
Post by: Holte132 on August 17, 2025, 02:18:59 PM
Different from MOTD. The ‘dramatic’ game at the end.
Good idea, I wonder how they will decide throughout the season?
Wasn't the Liverpool game shown last because it took place on Friday, not Saturday?
Post by: rob_bridge on August 17, 2025, 02:20:46 PM
Rooney is 15 years younger than Shearer and yet looks older than him.
Son of Frankenstein
Post by: Louzie0 on August 17, 2025, 02:23:09 PM
Different from MOTD. The ‘dramatic’ game at the end.
Good idea, I wonder how they will decide throughout the season?
Wasn't the Liverpool game shown last because it took place on Friday, not Saturday?
Probably, on reflection!
Just thought that there had been a sudden exciting change to the old MOTD format.
Ah well, as we were.
Post by: Holte132 on August 17, 2025, 03:28:30 PM
Different from MOTD. The ‘dramatic’ game at the end.
Good idea, I wonder how they will decide throughout the season?
Wasn't the Liverpool game shown last because it took place on Friday, not Saturday?
Probably, on reflection!
Just thought that there had been a sudden exciting change to the old MOTD format.
Ah well, as we were.
We can but hope!
Post by: martin o`who?? on August 18, 2025, 01:31:41 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 14, 2025, 10:38:30 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 14, 2025, 10:41:08 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 14, 2025, 11:26:26 PM
Post by: OCD on September 14, 2025, 11:39:01 PM
I noticed there's a Villa goal featured in the opening credits of MOTD. Can anyone confirm if the footage is AI generated?
What's one of those?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 15, 2025, 01:10:21 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 15, 2025, 11:09:13 AM
I noticed there's a Villa goal featured in the opening credits of MOTD. Can anyone confirm if the footage is AI generated?
What's one of those?
The white thing with a net on that we put on the pitch for the opposition to stick the ball into.
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 16, 2025, 01:19:26 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 16, 2025, 08:27:31 AM