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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: richardhubbard on March 06, 2016, 08:16:34 AM
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Assuming Garde moves on , who should we have to try and do a Graham Taylor -
Personally I go for Nigel Pearson
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He probably won't come but Eddie Howe for me.
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Assuming Garde moves on , who should we have to try and do a Graham Taylor -
Personally I go for Nigel Pearson
Nigel Pearson doesn't belong on the same planet as Graham Taylor, let alone in the same post.
Of the names mentioned so far on various threads, Warburton would be the best choice for me. A good knowledge of the game in general, lots of involvement in youth football but not your stereotypical old school English manager.
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Moyes for me but it's been rumoured Newcastle are lining him up.
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Comment re Taylor meany bouncing back first time as we did in 1987. I cannot see Warburton leaving Rangers.
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If Moyes will come then great, I don't think he wanted the job this season though so would he want to manage in the championship at a club that is in total disarray, I doubt it.
We will still be a big draw to someone though and a real challenge to get us back up and then stay up, will the new manager get backed properly though, again I doubt it.
Whoever comes in (I think Garde will be gone as soon as we are mathematically down) has got a massive massive task on there hands to clear out the dead wood and add some new talent, they have also got to change the whole mentality of the club as we are losers in every sense of the word and have been for a few seasons now.
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Grayson.
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In no given order and thinking realistically...
Simon Grayson
Glenn Hoddle
Dean Smith
Martin Laursen
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We need a poll
Rodgers
Moyes
Dyche
Howe
Warburton
Pulis
Pearson
Grayson
I'd like Moyes personally
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Jesus Christ or Moses will sort us out
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In no given order and thinking realistically...
Simon Grayson
Glenn Hoddle
Dean Smith
Martin Laursen
Jesus laursen why ?
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He probably won't come but Eddie Howe for me.
Howe for me, too. Also a gentleman. My dad and I were lucky to meet him in a restaurant in Bournemouth last summer. He took the time to leave the friend he was with to have a 20 minute chat with us about Bournemouth FC and the first game for them, incidentally against us. He thought it was about time we started acting like the big club we are. I'd love him as manager. I think one day he'll be England boss.
Can't see him.coming to us,though.
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I'm afraid that until the club is sold and new owners in place, the identity of the manager is irrelevant. No manager worth his salt would come here, and under these circumstances would they be able to operate as they would like.
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He probably won't come but Eddie Howe for me.
Howe for me, too. Also a gentleman. My dad and I were lucky to meet him in a restaurant in Bournemouth last summer. He took the time to leave the friend he was with to have a 20 minute chat with us about Bournemouth FC and the first game for them, incidentally against us. He thought it was about time we started acting like the big club we are. I'd love him as manager. I think one day he'll be England boss.
Can't see him.coming to us,though.
Sounds like a good chap.
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At the moment I'm really at the stage where I don't mind whether Garde stays or not. What's more important is that the decision as to what is going to happen now. That's a decision from all parties to put their cards on the table. If Villa want to sack him he has to go now, if he wants to leave he has to go now. If the current plan on both sides is for him to stay then that decision should be made concrete now. We should have already started planning for next year, but we can't afford to waste anymore time with indecision.
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Gary rowett would do a good job. Plus would upset the noses
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Doesn't matter who we have if Fox, Riley ans Almstadt are still in place.
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In no given order and thinking realistically...
Simon Grayson
Glenn Hoddle
Dean Smith
Martin Laursen
Jesus laursen why ?
Isnt he doing his coaching badges? I'm not one for going for Villa legends for legends sake and I wouldn't be saying him as a premier league club. Might just work.
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Gary Rowett, he's worked miracles at SHA. He plays decent football, can get the best out of average to poor players and would bring some kids through. If he can get SHA challenging for the play offs then he'd have no trouble getting us out of the league.
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Number one target has to be Moyes - may have missed a trick though with Newcastle sniffing.
Rowett would be too much to swallow if he is not an instant success, although I do rate him as a manager.
Moyes has worked on a budget although he was slow in bringing youth players through - one of the main cries of distain from Evertonians (didnt really give Barkley too much of a go, his hand was forced over Rooney and Osman was a necessity at the time).
By Moyes does know lower division football, has good contacts and would be given longer than 6 months to get it right.
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In no given order and thinking realistically...
Simon Grayson
Glenn Hoddle
Dean Smith
Martin Laursen
Jesus laursen why ?
It's not really any more silly a suggestion than your Nigel Pearson one.
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Gary Rowett, he's worked miracles at SHA. He plays decent football, can get the best out of average to poor players and would bring some kids through. If he can get SHA challenging for the play offs then he'd have no trouble getting us out of the league.
Swops between West Midland teams on the whole don't work - just an initial thought.
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He probably won't come but Eddie Howe for me.
Howe for me, too. Also a gentleman. My dad and I were lucky to meet him in a restaurant in Bournemouth last summer. He took the time to leave the friend he was with to have a 20 minute chat with us about Bournemouth FC and the first game for them, incidentally against us. He thought it was about time we started acting like the big club we are. I'd love him as manager. I think one day he'll be England boss.
Can't see him.coming to us,though.
Sounds like a good chap.
Fucking hell that line is so prescient. We need someone that's not going to see that fact as a burden, but as an advantage.
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Read Brian Green's post on the Garde thread to explain why this is almost irrelevant. It is like deciding what CD to play while your car is on fire.
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The only people who would take the job would be either mad or desperate.
We will probably end up with Malky McKay.
But it is totally irrelevant.
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Gary Rowett, he's worked miracles at SHA. He plays decent football, can get the best out of average to poor players and would bring some kids through. If he can get SHA challenging for the play offs then he'd have no trouble getting us out of the league.
Ron Saunders got Blues up straight away when they went down.
McLeish was poor, but everyone in the world knew that apart from Randy.
Don't really care if they're from the Midlands or not, if they can do a good job for us then get them in. If Rowett was managing Charlton and achieved the success he has at SHA his name would be being put forward.
Swops between West Midland teams on the whole don't work - just an initial thought.
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there have been other clubs who are as dysfunctional/skint/fucked up who have got their act together (Watford springs instantly to mind) Don't under estimate what a good seasoned pro can achieve. In no particular order I think Moyes, Dyche, and, dare I say it, Bruce, could all do a more effective job than Sherwood or Garde . We have to be positive.
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Even with relegation imagine the lift the club would get if we appointed Moyes in the summer. Would you trust the club to do it though?
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René Girard.
Won the league with Montpellier and has the same initials as Garde, so we could save money on a tracksuit.
I'll be amazed if we don't go with someone with a track record of being sacked by English clubs though.
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Those who think that Moyes would come along to this basket case are in cloud cuckoo land. Absolutely no chance of it happening. I even don't think he'd be mad enough to go to Newcastle.
We should have got allardyce when we had the chance, to stabilise us for a couple of years or so. He has got Sunderland performing and I still believe he laid the foundations for West Ham. In three years time we could have added our Bilic to take it on a level.
It won't be anyone at all inspiring with this mob at the helm. Rowett would be good, but wouldn;t be given the slack if he didn't hit the ground running but I really rate him.
We may as well just stick with Garde.
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Break the bank for Howe.
Aston Villa in the championship is still a bigger job than Bournemouth in the Premier League.
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Moyes is just not going to happen.
Of the possibles then Howe would be great but don't write off Rowett. If he came and said something along he lines of "I've been a Villa fan all my life and nothing was going to stop me saying yes to this wonderful club" I think he'd get a genuine honeymoon period.
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Moyes is just not going to happen.
Of the possibles then Howe would be great but don't write off Rowett. If he came and said something along he lines of "I've been a Villa fan all my life and nothing was going to stop me saying yes to this wonderful club" I think he'd get a genuine honeymoon period.
Agreed. Moyes has has been asked enough times and always turns us down. I think he's lost his mojo. It'll be interesting to see how he does with the Mags.
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Billy Davies.
British, knows the Chanpionship and is passionate. Think that ticks all the boxes.
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Moyes is just not going to happen.
Of the possibles then Howe would be great but don't write off Rowett. If he came and said something along he lines of "I've been a Villa fan all my life and nothing was going to stop me saying yes to this wonderful club" I think he'd get a genuine honeymoon period.
It'll never happen though - the board will go with the oft-repeated nonsense about the objections to McLeish being about where he came from rather than who he was.
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Pearson. We all know it's going to be him.
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Break the bank for Howe.
Aston Villa in the championship is still a bigger job than Bournemouth in the Premier League.
Would he want to ruin his reputation by coming to us? I'm not sure he would.
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Given the track record of appointments, I have zero faith in this lot to put a man in who will tick all the right boxes for me. Cheap and available, so we don't pay compo and don't piss other clubs off by poaching their Manager, just the way a club with no bollocks would act. Time to see if Hollis is man enough to sort out the structure and see if he's happy to piss, say, Burnley off for Sean Dyche or Rangers for Warburton. It's about time we rebuilt and started to shake off the sleeping giant tag.
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Pearson. We all know it's going to be him.
I fear you may well be right. Lerner's last appointment as owner could well be a racist thug. What a parting present that would be.
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Whoever is manager needs to get rid of pretty much everyone in the squad. They're all used to one thing - losing. It's a mentality that seems to be ingrained with a lot of them.
More than a new manager, we need a group of players who are used to winning games. We should bring in 15 players from the Championship/Div 1 who are all used to winning games. Bring them together and you have players who have belief. Look at Leicester, just goes to show how much belief can affect a group of players. Individually, most are hardly the best in the world.
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Sean Dyche
Ok I've just looked at where Burnley are in the table, there's not much chance of him coming if they go up. However, if they don't, it might be worth asking if that new contract he signed last month has a release clause.
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I don't think I would ever be comfortable supporting a man who thinks the word "ostrich" is a clever insult.
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Pearson. We all know it's going to be him.
I fear you may well be right. Lerner's last appointment as owner could well be a racist thug. What a parting present that would be.
I'd be as deeply unenthusiastic as anybody on Pearson, but what exactly makes him racist?
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Howe or Warbuton for me...but with our owner, we will probably get Bob Bradley or Di Canio.
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Read Brian Green's post on the Garde thread to explain why this is almost irrelevant. It is like deciding what CD to play while your car is on fire.
It's a great line but enough of this resignation and what more can we do attitude. As others have pointed out when Rowett took over at blues they were even more of a mess than we are, he's had to sell their best players but he's not only stabilised them he's got them chasing the play offs.
The biggest issue is Lerner but if we take the Remy Garde approach that it's all hopeless then we truly are going to keep dropping through the leagues.
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Pearson. We all know it's going to be him.
I fear you may well be right. Lerner's last appointment as owner could well be a racist thug. What a parting present that would be.
I know he's a thug, but racist? What have I missed?
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I've convinced myself that Steve Bruce is the man for the job.
Seriously.
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Read Brian Green's post on the Garde thread to explain why this is almost irrelevant. It is like deciding what CD to play while your car is on fire.
It's a great line but enough of this resignation and what more can we do attitude. As others have pointed out when Rowett took over at blues they were even more of a mess than we are, he's had to sell their best players but he's not only stabilised them he's got them chasing the play offs.
The biggest issue is Lerner but if we take the Remy Garde approach that it's all hopeless then we truly are going to keep dropping through the leagues.
Agree with this. Saying nobody could do any better than Garde is absurd.
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Someone posted on here a few days ago that we need someone who would see it as a personal insult to be managing in the Championship and therefore have the motivation to get Villa back up, quickly. I heard this morning that only 30% of clubs bounce straight back. With the shower of shit we have in charge of us, history is certainly against us.
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I've convinced myself that Steve Bruce is the man for the job.
Seriously.
Have thought that Bruce would have been a better fit for Villa for years, before we employed McLeish, Lambert etc. but people always laughed if ever he was suggested. They also laughed if Mark Hughes was suggested, but they wouldn't be turning their nose up to him walking through the door now.
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Mark Hughes is my usual answer but it's now unlikely he'd come.
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I've convinced myself that Steve Bruce is the man for the job.
Seriously.
Have thought that Bruce would have been a better fit for Villa for years, before we employed McLeish, Lambert etc. but people always laughed if ever he was suggested. They also laughed if Mark Hughes was suggested, but they wouldn't be turning their nose up to him walking through the door now.
He's on course to take a club straight back up for the second time, has a working knowledge of the teams in the division, and seems to have good scouting networks as he has plucked many an unknown foreign player up who turns out decent. He's also not an utter arsehole like Pearson.
His vast experience would also be a plus in our carnival of ineptitude.
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Moyes
Warburton
Hughton
Benitez (I'm allowed to dream)
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Hughton is a good shout
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I've convinced myself that Steve Bruce is the man for the job.
Seriously.
Have thought that Bruce would have been a better fit for Villa for years, before we employed McLeish, Lambert etc. but people always laughed if ever he was suggested. They also laughed if Mark Hughes was suggested, but they wouldn't be turning their nose up to him walking through the door now.
I wanted Hughes in 2011. We narrowly escaped one car crash and then decided to go back into the stock car race riding on a scooter
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Is it me, or has anyone else noticed that over the past few years, we have seen a managerial merry go round of the "Usual Suspects" going from club to club to club............on that basis our next manager will be..........Warnock, god fekin help us!!!!!
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I for one think Nigel Pearson would be an ideal appointment as would Sean Dyche.
The likes of Howe,Warburton,Moyes etc wouldn't go anywhere near us at this current time & to be honest can we really blame them?
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Might as well let Gabby do it. The powers that be at Villa Park are all working together to keep costs at an absolute minimum, on Mr Lerner's orders, so for a new manager (now Benteke's and Delph's money have been used) there will be hardly anything to use. You would have to have an excellent knowledge of those available on frees and also the non league talent of which there is plenty. I have suggested Jamie Carragher as far back as three years ago and got laughed off the thread. Fox will go back to the commercial side shortly somewhere else and Reilly will be dispensed with so Reg Hollis will have to earn his no doubt considerable money to find a suitable candidate. A hard man like Ferguson with a considerable knowledge of football both in this country and abroad.
Hollis is the major player at Villa Park from now on. Carragher would soon sort out the likes of Agbonlahor whether Agbonlahor likes it or not. Hollis needs to move fast and offer the job to someone with an iron fist. One who is not Nigel Pearson but who is someone who could offer us hope.
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^^ Has Carragher got his coaching badges or expressed an interest in going into management?
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I've convinced myself that Steve Bruce is the man for the job.
Seriously.
One paper this morning has got us lining him up in the summer. Same paper also saying we will be promoting Petrov to work with the first team.
Moyes would be my number one choice, but unrealistic I admit. My two more realistic choices would be Hughton if Brighton don't go up or Allardyce if Sunderland go down. I think both would get us up and secure us in the top flight for a couple of seasons.
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British, knowledge of the Championship and shows passion, Ray Winstone.
It will be Nigel Pearson, it's been inevitable for a while. I hate Pearson. Not as much as Richards and Agbonlahor though.
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Or Pulis after he leaves Albion in the summer.
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Given a choice between Pearson or Allardyce, I think I'd opt to jump off a bridge
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I've convinced myself that Steve Bruce is the man for the job.
Seriously.
Still lives in Lapworth.
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Gary Rowett for me. Villa through and through. And what he's done with that shower is nothing short of a miracle.
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I've convinced myself that Steve Bruce is the man for the job.
Seriously.
Still lives in Lapworth.
We could do much much worse.
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Gary Rowett
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I honestly think Rowett is too bright to want to work under the current owner. Whoever we get, it'll likely be another knucklehead in the Lambert / Sherwood mould.
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Second the call for Rowett although I think he will be Derby boss in the summer
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I honestly think Rowett is too bright to want to work under the current owner. Whoever we get, it'll likely be another knucklehead in the Lambert / Sherwood mould.
To be honest I'd be vary wary of the 'young up and coming' route.
We are a big club in a big mess. The task engulfed the last one that tried it.
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I honestly think Rowett is too bright to want to work under the current owner. Whoever we get, it'll likely be another knucklehead in the Lambert / Sherwood mould.
He went to them when their owner was in jail for tax evasion.
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Pearson. We all know it's going to be him.
I fear you may well be right. Lerner's last appointment as owner could well be a racist thug. What a parting present that would be.
I know he's a thug, but racist? What have I missed?
I may be wrong as two of you have queried it, but I thought one of the reasons for him going was that he backed the players (including his son) that Leicester sacked? Wasn't that relating to a racist and sexual incident?
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Other than Rowett I would look at;
Mick McCarthy
Nigel Pearson
Chris Hughton
Steve Bruce
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I honestly think Rowett is too bright to want to work under the current owner. Whoever we get, it'll likely be another knucklehead in the Lambert / Sherwood mould.
To be honest I'd be vary wary of the 'young up and coming' route.
We are a big club in a big mess. The task engulfed the last one that tried it.
We are a Championship club. He has a proven track record in the Championship on working with sweet FA. I don't see him as "young up and coming".
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I honestly think Rowett is too bright to want to work under the current owner. Whoever we get, it'll likely be another knucklehead in the Lambert / Sherwood mould.
To be honest I'd be vary wary of the 'young up and coming' route.
We are a big club in a big mess. The task engulfed the last one that tried it.
We are a Championship club. He has a proven track record in the Championship on working with sweet FA. I don't see him as "young up and coming".
He has had 18 months in the Championship , it's a bit of a stretch to call it a proven track record.
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I honestly think Rowett is too bright to want to work under the current owner. Whoever we get, it'll likely be another knucklehead in the Lambert / Sherwood mould.
To be honest I'd be vary wary of the 'young up and coming' route.
We are a big club in a big mess. The task engulfed the last one that tried it.
We are a Championship club. He has a proven track record in the Championship on working with sweet FA. I don't see him as "young up and coming".
Paul Lambert got promoted from it with a squad from League One.
Do you see my point?
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I honestly think Rowett is too bright to want to work under the current owner. Whoever we get, it'll likely be another knucklehead in the Lambert / Sherwood mould.
To be honest I'd be vary wary of the 'young up and coming' route.
We are a big club in a big mess. The task engulfed the last one that tried it.
We are a Championship club. He has a proven track record in the Championship on working with sweet FA. I don't see him as "young up and coming".
He has had 18 months in the Championship , it's a bit of a stretch to call it a proven track record.
18 months is a long time in football. If we want him we should go and get him now. I don't think we will though, and if we did I doubt he'd come.
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Other than Rowett I would look at;
Mick McCarthy
Nigel Pearson
Chris Hughton
Steve Bruce
God help us
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I honestly think Rowett is too bright to want to work under the current owner. Whoever we get, it'll likely be another knucklehead in the Lambert / Sherwood mould.
To be honest I'd be vary wary of the 'young up and coming' route.
We are a big club in a big mess. The task engulfed the last one that tried it.
We are a Championship club. He has a proven track record in the Championship on working with sweet FA. I don't see him as "young up and coming".
Paul Lambert got promoted from it with a squad from League One.
Do you see my point?
Lambert joined a Premier League club.
Do you see mine?
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We could always go for Sean O'Driscoll. As of five minutes ago he is available.
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Other than Rowett I would look at;
Mick McCarthy
Nigel Pearson
Chris Hughton
Steve Bruce
God help us
Indeed. What a mess we've been turned into.
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Given a choice between Pearson or Allardyce, I think I'd opt to jump off a bridge
I really don't want Pearson. The thought of the manager of Aston Villa rolling around on the touchline throttling opposition players is not a good one and then there are his pseudo intellectual interviews and dealings with the press.
As for Allardyce, I think we've got to accept where we are as a club. The likes of him and Bruce are the top candidates in the circles we are now moving in.
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I honestly think Rowett is too bright to want to work under the current owner. Whoever we get, it'll likely be another knucklehead in the Lambert / Sherwood mould.
To be honest I'd be vary wary of the 'young up and coming' route.
We are a big club in a big mess. The task engulfed the last one that tried it.
We are a Championship club. He has a proven track record in the Championship on working with sweet FA. I don't see him as "young up and coming".
Paul Lambert got promoted from it with a squad from League One.
Do you see my point?
Lambert joined a Premier League club.
Do you see mine?
I do actually, but I still think it's something of a stretch to say he has a proven track record.
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What do I want from a Villa manager?
1. To be with us at least 5 years
2. Get us out of the Championship
3. Clear out the wasters in the squad
4. Build a balanced squad in the summer
5. Not be a manager that only sees throwing money at the squad as being the only way
6. Continue to develop the squad year on year
7. Not reach his glass ceiling having got us back in the PL
My final point eliminates most of the usual suspects
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Given a choice between Pearson or Allardyce, I think I'd opt to jump off a bridge
I really don't want Pearson. The thought of the manager of Aston Villa rolling around on the touchline throttling opposition players is not a good one and then there are his pseudo intellectual interviews and dealings with the press.
As for Allardyce, I think we've got to accept where we are as a club. The likes of him and Bruce are the top candidates in the circles we are now moving in.
if we appointed Pearson till the end of the season there would be more chance of him throttling and rolling around the pitch with some of our own. So for that reason il like to invest. These pampered, over paid, lazy etc players masquerading as professional footballers have made our lives a misery this season. A manager like Pearson might just address the balance of misery for a few months.
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Other than Rowett I would look at;
Mick McCarthy
Nigel Pearson
Chris Hughton
Steve Bruce
God help us
Indeed. What a mess we've been turned into.
We are a mess, but why does that translate into is appointing any of those retread mangers?
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In no given order and thinking realistically...
Simon Grayson
Glenn Hoddle
Dean Smith
Martin Laursen
Jesus laursen why ?
Isnt he doing his coaching badges? I'm not one for going for Villa legends for legends sake and I wouldn't be saying him as a premier league club. Might just work.
Laursen has got the sum total of 4 months experience as coach in the Danish 3rd division, which is the equivalent of a couple of levels below the conference in terms of playing level.
As far as I'm aware he's put doing his badges on hold, and is quite content enjoying life actually at home with is family and pitching up as a pundit every other week for 5 hours on a Saturday on Kanal 3+. The last twice he's been on for a Villa game, he's been quite openly angry and as good as called out half the squad for not trying without naming names, but a line along the lines of "if I've I got to tell you who, you don't know anything about football"
The only one of those I'd remotely consider would be Grayson.
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And can we not ruin the memory of yet another Villa favourite by appointing him as a manager? I'd happily have him at the club in some ambassadorial context, but certainly not manager just because we love him. And he has to be fully qualified to take on this disaster, and I wouldn't expose him to it.
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And I see that plonked Merson is saying we should appoint McCarthy. FUCK ME...
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Given a choice between Pearson or Allardyce, I think I'd opt to jump off a bridge
I really don't want Pearson. The thought of the manager of Aston Villa rolling around on the touchline throttling opposition players is not a good one and then there are his pseudo intellectual interviews and dealings with the press.
As for Allardyce, I think we've got to accept where we are as a club. The likes of him and Bruce are the top candidates in the circles we are now moving in.
if we appointed Pearson till the end of the season there would be more chance of him throttling and rolling around the pitch with some of our own. So for that reason il like to invest. These pampered, over paid, lazy etc players masquerading as professional footballers have made our lives a misery this season. A manager like Pearson might just address the balance of misery for a few months.
I am sympathetic to your idea of some sort of psycho who could go ape on the players but why not go the whole hog and employ Vladamir Putin. Let's see how well the Richards clique survives against his KGB training.
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I've convinced myself that Steve Bruce is the man for the job.
Seriously.
Still lives in Lapworth.
We could do much much worse.
We could and indeed we have
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I've convinced myself that Steve Bruce is the man for the job.
Seriously.
Still lives in Lapworth.
We could do much much worse.
We could and indeed we have
And quite probably will again within the next year or so
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We could appoint Ancelotti in the summer. Without the right support or environment to work in he'd be every bit as ineffective as any one of previous (failed) managers.
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What do I want from a Villa manager?
1. To be with us at least 5 years
2. Get us out of the Championship
3. Clear out the wasters in the squad
4. Build a balanced squad in the summer
5. Not be a manager that only sees throwing money at the squad as being the only way
6. Continue to develop the squad year on year
7. Not reach his glass ceiling having got us back in the PL
My final point eliminates most of the usual suspects
I agree with most of the above, but I would say three years. Get us out of the Championship first time and then have a look at where we are after two seasons back in the top flight. I would also add bringing a steady flow of players through from the Academy to the points listed.
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I'd opt for Paul Clement.
On the proviso that it's the coaching he continues with and we get a senior football figure above him or a DoF worthy of the name.
A good coach doesn't necessarily make a good manager, so let him focus on the things he's made his name doing and leave the admin and overall structure to someone else.
Cortese would be great,or -from leftfield, Raddy Antic.
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I would go for Nigel Pearson or Sean Dyche they know how to get out of the championship and are good managers.
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Interesting to see Walsall have sacked Sean O'Driscoll. There still 4th in their league, but on a bad run and it's clearly not working.
Yet we persevere with a loser who has an even worse record.
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Interesting to see Walsall have sacked Sean O'Driscoll. There still 4th in their league, but on a bad run and it's clearly not working.
Yet we persevere with a loser who has an even worse record.
Change the record. It's getting a bit boring now.
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Interesting to see Walsall have sacked Sean O'Driscoll. There still 4th in their league, but on a bad run and it's clearly not working.
Yet we persevere with a loser who has an even worse record.
Bloody hell you took your time. Have you visited the post match thread yet? You're usually straight in there.
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Interesting to see Walsall have sacked Sean O'Driscoll. There still 4th in their league, but on a bad run and it's clearly not working.
Yet we persevere with a loser who has an even worse record.
Yes we know you don't like Remi, but your almost personal attacks on him are getting annoying now.
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Interesting to see Walsall have sacked Sean O'Driscoll. There still 4th in their league, but on a bad run and it's clearly not working.
Yet we persevere with a loser who has an even worse record.
Yes we know you don't like Remi, but your almost personal attacks on him are getting annoying now.
Where have i been personal?
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Interesting to see Walsall have sacked Sean O'Driscoll. There still 4th in their league, but on a bad run and it's clearly not working.
Yet we persevere with a loser who has an even worse record.
Yes we know you don't like Remi, but your almost personal attacks on him are getting annoying now.
Where have i been personal?
For a start:
Please sack this gutless and spineless cowardly manager. He doesn't give a shit about the club.
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Warburton. Done a great job at Brentford , building Rangers back too. Sure he would want to come back down south, even if it was to us.
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Interesting to see Walsall have sacked Sean O'Driscoll. There still 4th in their league, but on a bad run and it's clearly not working.
Yet we persevere with a loser who has an even worse record.
Yes we know you don't like Remi, but your almost personal attacks on him are getting annoying now.
Where have i been personal?
Are you for real? Some of your posts about have been shocking.
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Interesting to see Walsall have sacked Sean O'Driscoll. There still 4th in their league, but on a bad run and it's clearly not working.
Yet we persevere with a loser who has an even worse record.
Yes we know you don't like Remi, but your almost personal attacks on him are getting annoying now.
Where have i been personal?
For a start:
Please sack this gutless and spineless cowardly manager. He doesn't give a shit about the club.
Here's another.
Think I'd prefer Terry Connor over this cowardly idiot.
And a couple of needless mentions of his nationality.
They classic 'blame everyone else" line then?
Sooner we see sense and boot Garde back down the channel tunnel the better.
How strange. Pulis and Allardyce leading their teams to good results today yet most seem happy that the clueless Frenchman is taking us down.
And perhaps winning the prize for most nonsensical, this one.
1 win in 13 and no attempt to get back in the game after we went behind. And still the mugs and sheep defend this utterly clueless manager. Yes the board are a joke, but I hope to god he's gone by the morning. I hate the guy. Worst manager we've ever had.
Want any more?
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I'd like it to be Eddie Howe, but I think we'd destroy his career.
It would also be humiliating if he turned us down to stay at Bournemouth.
I think we're not above Nigel Pearson in the state we're in; experience of winning a Championship, developing nobodies into Premier League contenders, and won't accept nonsense from the likes of Agbonlahor, Richards and co. He's a scary fucker.
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I'd like it to be Eddie Howe, but I think we'd destroy his career.
It would also be humiliating if he turned us down to stay at Bournemouth.
I think we're not above Nigel Pearson in the state we're in; experience of winning a Championship, developing nobodies into Premier League contenders, and won't accept nonsense from the likes of Agbonlahor, Richards and co. He's a scary fucker.
Paul Lambert has won a championship. Do you want him too?
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Another vote for Howe. We need someone who can mould a side that reflects his personality. The whole club in fact. People like Pearson and Bruce aren't those types. Someone who would see it as a project not a career move. I think he would come IF Lerner decided he seriously wanted us to return stronger to the premiership rather than for pure financial considerations. If Lerner could convince him he was excited about it too then i think he would see it as the perfect upgrade from Bournemouth. Big IF's though because Howe would see through Lerner's bullshit if he wasn't sincere and as we know he could quite happily stay at Bournemouth as a legend for them.
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I did a few years ago when we were looking to replace McLeish.
Not sure what that's got to do with the position we're in now, or the quality of candidates that would be available to us. Unless you think the Board are capable of unearthing the next Brian Clough, we're probably going to have to go for someone with a track record at that level.
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Another vote for Howe. We need someone who can mould a side that reflects his personality. The whole club in fact. People like Pearson and Bruce aren't those types. Someone who would see it as a project not a career move. I think he would come IF Lerner decided he seriously wanted us to return stronger to the premiership rather than for pure financial considerations. If Lerner could convince him he was excited about it too then i think he would see it as the perfect upgrade from Bournemouth. Big IF's though because Howe would see through Lerner's bullshit if he wasn't sincere and as we know he could quite happily stay at Bournemouth as a legend for them.
Eddie Howell probably has a job for life at Bournemouth. Maybe like Graham Taylor in 1987, could do with a bigger club on his CV.
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If Garde leaves I would take Howe in a heartbeat. But there is no way on earth he would come to Villa in the state we are in.
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Another vote for Howe. We need someone who can mould a side that reflects his personality. The whole club in fact. People like Pearson and Bruce aren't those types. Someone who would see it as a project not a career move. I think he would come IF Lerner decided he seriously wanted us to return stronger to the premiership rather than for pure financial considerations. If Lerner could convince him he was excited about it too then i think he would see it as the perfect upgrade from Bournemouth. Big IF's though because Howe would see through Lerner's bullshit if he wasn't sincere and as we know he could quite happily stay at Bournemouth as a legend for them.
Eddie Howell probably has a job for life at Bournemouth. Maybe like Graham Taylor in 1987, could do with a bigger club on his CV.
That's my thinking. Nearest thing to SGT MK2 A manager who has totally made a club through his own efforts looking perhaps for a bigger challenge and a club where he could do the same on his own terms
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Ah, we can't have Eddie Howe, just realised he'd be the first Villa manager to be younger than me!
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If Garde leaves I would take Howe in a heartbeat. But there is no way on earth he would come to Villa in the state we are in.
Well we were in a hell of a mess when SGT jumped ship as well
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Howe failed at Burnley though. Good manager but would never come, Bournemouth have a multi billionaire owner and are building a good club.
My choice would be Warburton, but I would have Grayson or Bruce too, both safe pairs of hands in that league.
That guy at Fulham that got Watford up looks half decent too.
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Never mind a new manager, we need to get rid of the passionless money grabbing wastes of space that currently stand around on the pitch looking useless every match day. Who in his right mind would want to come anywhere near Villa Park as manager unless they have total control of the team/squad rebuilding without interference by those in lofty towers who know naff all about football?
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Never mind a new manager, we need to get rid of the passionless money grabbing wastes of space that currently stand around on the pitch looking useless every match day. Who in his right mind would want to come anywhere near Villa Park as manager unless they have total control of the team/squad rebuilding without interference by those in lofty towers who know naff all about football?
well that's it in a nutshell. When SGT came he was doing us a favour, so he had a certain amount of leverage with Doug to the point where he made certain veiled threats through the media for Doug to butt out and Doug butted out. Last thing we need is another yesman who's grateful for the gig however controlling Lerner is
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We could appoint Ancelotti in the summer. Without the right support or environment to work in he'd be every bit as ineffective as any one of previous (failed) managers.
Do you really think that? Honest question. That nobody could do better than we've seen since November?
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Howe or Pearson would be good shouts for different reasons. If it wasn't for the fact that Middlesborough are almost certain to go up I'd say Karanka might be a good option.
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Absolutely no to that horrible twat Pearson.
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This whole saga becomes a sick nightmare with every passing day. Lose Remi Garde and get Steve Bruce. You could not make it up. Apart from a hundred other reasons Steve Bruce looks like a Houllier waiting to happen.
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I agree with many that the choice is somewhat academic unless the regime changes.
However, if forced I'd say that Dyche, Howe, Karanka and Clement would all be worth a shout. I'm not that keen on an old git - like Bruce or Pearson - who has some sort of unsavoury 'form'.
But, to repeat, it's all about the management into which the successful candidate is placed that counts.
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This thread is so funny. Such a contrast to 3/4 months ago! Then it was a list of foreign names, now it's a list of British ones!!!
Lambert/McLeish/Sherwood fail and the answer to our problems is anyone not British. Now Garde is failing, the feeling is for British again.
For the record, I've always wanted Moyes. I get the feeling we could have once got him but not now.
Look at Everton since he left.. So much more investment but doing so much worse in terms of league positions.
He's a great manager and will be again wherever he ends up. He also knows how to pick up a bargain. Criticism is he's overly defensive but I could cope with that. Martinez had an amazing run for a couple of months when his attacking style blended well with the defensive philosophy instilled by Moyes. As time has passed, the defense has become a shambles and if he had 5 more years there, he'd turn them into a Wigan.
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We could appoint Ancelotti in the summer. Without the right support or environment to work in he'd be every bit as ineffective as any one of previous (failed) managers.
Do you really think that? Honest question. That nobody could do better than we've seen since November?
What I honestly believe is that it goes well beyond the manager. That if the club isn't unified from the very top then it makes it way through the entire structure. Garde has been left to fend for himself essentially since he arrived and it only got worse since January. Not only that, there are huge issues amongst the players that are only escalating. He wasn't provided the resources to bring in new players and in doing so remove others. He hasn't been given a chance, and he certainly hasn't helped himself either. So even with a better or proven manager, the circumstances at our club will simply make the position of football manager very difficult indeed.
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If only for one game, I would love to see Pearson in charge of this group of miscreants and be a fly-on-the-wall for the dressing room 'discussions'. In reality, I don't want to change manager until the corporate management structure has been corrected, ie. Fox, Reilly and Almstadt replaced with competent people. It feels like Garde has given up, so it may be better to let him leave too then bring in Moyes if he will come.
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Whoever ends up being manager, I hope they have the kahunas to put any troublemakers/gobshites firmly in their place.
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We could appoint Ancelotti in the summer. Without the right support or environment to work in he'd be every bit as ineffective as any one of previous (failed) managers.
Do you really think that? Honest question. That nobody could do better than we've seen since November?
What I honestly believe is that it goes well beyond the manager. That if the club isn't unified from the very top then it makes it way through the entire structure. Garde has been left to fend for himself essentially since he arrived and it only got worse since January. Not only that, there are huge issues amongst the players that are only escalating. He wasn't provided the resources to bring in new players and in doing so remove others. He hasn't been given a chance, and he certainly hasn't helped himself either. So even with a better or proven manager, the circumstances at our club will simply make the position of football manager very difficult indeed.
I totally agree it goes beyond the manager. It's just that a lot of folks seem to be resigned to utter garbage until our want away owner, well, gets his wish and sells the club. Now, wining a cup or getting back to where we've been for ages mid-6th is beyond us while Lerner's austerity lasts. But THIS level of absolute shite is not acceptable and the current manager (and cretinous players) need to take some of the blame. Saying nothing will improve til Lerner goes almost exonerates everybody else form standing up to be counted.
Garde obviously has some tact and some class. But he's been a disastrous appointment in every single department. I can't get my head around why some want him to lead us next season.
As for Steve Bruce. No thanks. His teams have always played shit football and he's not always winning football.
Whoever comes in needs to give the club a massive lift. So, either a big personality or a big reputation. Or Graham Taylor (are there any of his class around anymore, I'm not sure).
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We need somebody who can unite the fans too. Like Taylor did and like MON did, at least for a couple of seasons. Then we will see some positive momentum instead of the boundless defeatism of the last 4 years.
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In no given order and thinking realistically...
Simon Grayson
Glenn Hoddle
Dean Smith
Martin Laursen
Jesus laursen why ?
Isnt he doing his coaching badges? I'm not one for going for Villa legends for legends sake and I wouldn't be saying him as a premier league club. Might just work.
Mellberg is managing in Sweden now so of the two he'd be more of a contender.
Hoddle, why? Out of football for years now and he was awful at Wolves at that level.
Grayson is pretty solid but very very defensive.
Dean Smith did well at Walsall but very mediocre record at Brentford so far.
Think I agree with point on the first page, until we get new owners all managers are facing an uphill battle.
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Break the bank for Howe.
Aston Villa in the championship is still a bigger job than Bournemouth in the Premier League.
Not for someone who's spent pretty much his whole life at Bournemouth.
Plus they spent plenty of money last summer so no issue there.
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Billy Davies.
British, knows the Chanpionship and is passionate. Think that ticks all the boxes.
The bloke is clinically insane if you read some of the stuff he did at Forest. I know all his tricks from leaving Preston aswell.
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Interesting to see Walsall have sacked Sean O'Driscoll. There still 4th in their league, but on a bad run and it's clearly not working.
Yet we persevere with a loser who has an even worse record.
Only because you've not posted anything that merits a ban.
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I'd absolutely love Eddie Howe at the Villa, I just can't see him jumping ship especially to a shambles like us.
Dyche is a good shout if Burnley don't go up - he'd for sure give them another season if they do.
Clement I'd be happy with as I would Moyes.
Bruce - meh.
Pearson - no thank you.
I'd also be ok with giving Remi until Christmas.
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Why would anyone want a "championship manager"?
We need a manager better than the championship, so we can get out of it, not one who knows it / operates in it. That's the absolute last thing we need.
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Why would anyone want a "championship manager"?
We need a manager better than the championship, so we can get out of it, not one who knows it / operates in it. That's the absolute last thing we need.
Ideally I'd like Pep Guardiola or Jose Mourinho but I think the two Manchester clubs might have bagsied them so perhaps we need to set our sights a little lower.
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Our club has destroyed every managerial career with the exception of Taylor.
If we are still under the regime of Hollis et al, I firmly expect someone like Pulis to be in charge come summer time.
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Why would anyone want a "championship manager"?
We need a manager better than the championship, so we can get out of it, not one who knows it / operates in it. That's the absolute last thing we need.
Ideally I'd like Pep Guardiola or Jose Mourinho but I think the two Manchester clubs might have bagsied them so perhaps we need to set our sights a little lower.
Yep, because you go from Guardiola and Mourinho, down to Nigel Pearson and Steve Bruce. There's absolutely nothing in between those.
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Let's face it if Remi goes we are going to moan about whoever they choose.Might as well
get Fergie out of his house pay him what he wants and leave him to sort them out.
Which he would!
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B'ham reporting Stan Petrov to return as 1st team coach. Plus Steve Bruce to be approached in the summer to attempt promotion from the Championship. Both good news to me if true.
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B'ham reporting Stan Petrov to return as 1st team coach. Plus Steve Bruce to be approached in the summer to attempt promotion from the Championship. Both good news to me if true.
B'ham Mail that is!
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I don't understand why anyone would want Mourinho as a manager.
It's not like it'll happen anyway because we're too off the radar for him, but in a parallel universe where he took the Villa job, a 2-0 defeat to Barnsley would turn into the "they'll never dare sack me" post match rant interview. He never stays anywhere longer than three seasons either, so hardly in keeping with any long term building plans. And ditto for Paulo di Canio, who I saw suggested elsewhere today.
As for Pep Guardiola, who is joining Man City for, and I quote, "a new challenge", frankly the only challenge he'll have there with all the resources that'll be sent his way will be understanding the drool version of English spoken by the natives and coping with the incessant rain.
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Looking at the names being mentioned (the realistic ones) I'd prefer to see what Garde might do with his own choice of players coming in - but it's pretty clear he's had enough already.
Brendan Rodgers and Gary Monk together maybe?
Anyway our new owner might want to entrust the job to one of his sons.
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Never mind a new manager, we need to get rid of the passionless money grabbing wastes of space that currently stand around on the pitch looking useless every match day. Who in his right mind would want to come anywhere near Villa Park as manager unless they have total control of the team/squad rebuilding without interference by those in lofty towers who know naff all about football?
well that's it in a nutshell. When SGT came he was doing us a favour, so he had a certain amount of leverage with Doug to the point where he made certain veiled threats through the media for Doug to butt out and Doug butted out. Last thing we need is another yesman who's grateful for the gig however controlling Lerner is
At one point I thought Garde was doing that with Fox et al. But his record since and the fact that Fox is likely to be long gone means he'll have little leverage at the end of the season.
My picks, in a rough order:
1. Keep Garde - Means he's happy and a likelihood that the shit in the background has been sorted.
2. Howe - He's said he will not leave for a bigger club after his debacle at Burnley but money talks etc etc. As he's a failed footballer I think that makes a him more determined, studious manager.
3. Bielsa - DoF with an ex-player as coach. Pochettino is an graduate of his system and cites him as his biggest influence.
4. Prandelli - Villa fan, been out of work since 2014 according to wiki so you never know...
5. Moyes/Rodgers - Neither would come imo but still have a certain gravitas which will make the club feel important.
6. Rowlet - Done a good job.
7. Grayson - Dunno why, just feels like destiny.
8. Chap at MK Dons - Diet version of Howe, unfortunately has an element of Sherwood about him.
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Why would anyone want a "championship manager"?
We need a manager better than the championship, so we can get out of it, not one who knows it / operates in it. That's the absolute last thing we need.
Ideally I'd like Pep Guardiola or Jose Mourinho but I think the two Manchester clubs might have bagsied them so perhaps we need to set our sights a little lower.
Yep, because you go from Guardiola and Mourinho, down to Nigel Pearson and Steve Bruce. There's absolutely nothing in between those.
The exaggeration was to illustrate a point. You were not supposed to take me literally.
We are damaged goods. We are not that an attractive prospect. And I know we are the famous Aston Villa who people should be begging to even be mentioned in the same sentence as our hallowed name but I don't think everyone feels the same as you and I these days (Gary Rowett might).
Who would you say is above "Championship level" but would come to us and is not going to murder one squad member as a lesson to the others to turn up to training with polished boots (another exaggeration there)?
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I'd be happy enough with Pearson what Leicester are currently achieving is at least to some extent down to him, however my first choice would be Sean Dyche.
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Pearson's coaches and scouts are still at Leicester he will be useless without them plus he is a utter bellend
Howe no chance he leaving Bournmouth
Moyes absolutely no chance of him dropping down a league.
Warburton from Rangers is interesting , did well at Brentford and is likely to win league with Rangers using lower league English league players and loaning up and coming youngsters.Also he was one of the founders of the next gen series we won a few years back.
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Prandelli, Moyes, Rodgers, Mourinho, Monk, Pearson, Redknapp all available. They are not all going to get clubs this summer as there are unlikely to be THAT many changes. So, maybe Villa might be more attractive than we think.
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Next season we are going to need,from a management perspective, stability,a understanding of the league we are in and also the players we have.
I cannot see there being wholescale changes in the squad,or rather I can't see us investing a massive amount to change it around.What we receive will be what we spend...and even if we are able to shift or are forced to sell for example Richards,Ayew,Gabby,Kozak,Lescott,Okore,Hutton and Sinclair we will have,by the time we've paid up contracts and left a little in the wages pot something approxing 8/10 million to spend...Or one decent championship centre forward.
For me,Dyche and Moyes would both be ideal.However circumstances are difficult to see how they'd be interested.Chris Hughton has the experience of handling two basket cases clubs and set of players,plus he's managed to turn a struggling Brighton team around .Previously I've always approached the villa manager position with the pre-requisite of whom could potentially build a dynasty or stride us forward.In our circumstances a little steadying of the ship,a little building of the player/fan relationship will lead to confidence and momentum which could set us on back on route.Whoever steadies the ship might not necessary be on the tiller 18 months down the line.
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B'ham reporting Stan Petrov to return as 1st team coach. Plus Steve Bruce to be approached in the summer to attempt promotion from the Championship. Both good news to me if true.
B'ham Mail that is!
It's The Sun reporting the story. The Mail have just recycled it.
I could live with Bruce as manager. He wouldn't be my first choice but he'd be okay.
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I'd be happy enough with Pearson what Leicester are currently achieving is at least to some extent down to him
Perhaps. Or perhaps it raises questions about why he had the group of players who are favourites for the title at the bottom of the league for three quarters of last season.
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I'd llay the disclaimer on my earlier posts that in an ideal world I'd keep Remi in place and fuck off almost everyone around him.
But it's far from an ideal world we operate in, and thus any attempt at a 'modern' approach with us is likely doomed to failure.
No, I've come to the conclusion that we need a narled, experienced operator who can operate despite the twats upstairs. I'm not concerned about what happens when we're back in the top flight, because it's a bloody long way off from where we are now.
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How fat has Fist Face become these past few years?
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Quique Flores for me. Don't suppose he'd come, mind.
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I don't really care who's going to be in the manager hot seat next season unless some serious change is made at the club. It's fairly obvious that some senior players aren't pulling their weight, almost to the point of having a paid all-year-round vacation, and haven't done so for the last managers. If an important part of the squad cannot be arsed to play for their managers, you haven't got too many options.
A) Ship out the offenders and replace them with similar or (hopefully) better quality, but with a professional attitude. Expensive, and probably very difficult to achieve.
B) Bring in a manager with a CV that is so impressive that the malingerers will have to sit up and take notice. You'd think that would have to be someone from the very top of the game, even more so if brought in from outside of the UK. Again, very expensive, and equally difficult, if not downright impossible. Trouble is, even then the manager must have some realistic alternatives in the squad - Garde came in and actually managed to get the current players to appear as a team after a while, and they appeared to play for him... Until the January window closed, and no new possible threats to their 1st 11 places arrived. And at the flick of the switch, normal sub-standard service was resumed.
C) Get an aggressive and dominant manager that could force the squad to toe the line. Alas, I don't see that working too well with modern multi-millionaire players. Quick phone calls to media and agents in no time. WWF-like action on the sidelines could be a plus, though.
D) Employ a one-of-the-boys-type 'manager', effectively giving the reins to the senior players with (possibly) some 'tactical' input from the 'manager'. Been there, done, that, I believe. Didn't work then. Don't see why it should work now.
Bleak. Where's that self-made multi-billionaire football fan when you need him?
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Bruce would do little but make Garde universally popular again and send us spinning off towards Div 1. There are many clapped out ex Manu hackers that I would like to see playing in Div 1, but not in a Villa shirt.
I can't believe so many think this a good idea. I'd much rather Garde got a proper crack at the job first.
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Steve McClaren sacked. Him?
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Steve McClaren sacked. Him?
There is a difference between going for an up and coming manager where it could fail and appointing McClaren where you know it will fail.
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Steve McClaren sacked. Him?
Dear Lord no
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Is he sacked?
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He's shite
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Is he sacked?
Rumours are that they are in talks with Moyes.
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It is completely irrelavant who the manager is until we get the correct type of leadership higher up the club. There is no manager who could sort this shower out. There are a handful of good players, but their talents are overshadowed by the personalities who clearly rule the roost and run the club down. Get rid of Agbonlahor, Clark, Guzan, Richards in particular and we might start to improve. In Clark's case it's more a case of being part of the Villa team where acceptance of failure is the norm. We have to purge that attitude. Ayew, Amavi, Veretout, Okore, Adama and maybe Gana are the players to build a team around.
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Moyes absolutely no chance of him dropping down a league.
He's currently managing at a similar level to the one I am.
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Steve McClaren sacked. Him?
I don't get what it is about McLaren that people keep offering him jobs.
Middlesbrough. Reasonable, but thy didn't seem sad to see him go.
England. Failed
Forest. Failed
Derby. Failed.
Newcastle. Failed.
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He won the league in Holland didn't he? Bit unfair to dismiss his time at Boro, think he's a decent coach but not a manager.
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He won the league in Holland didn't he? Bit unfair to dismiss his time at Boro, think he's a decent coach but not a manager.
To be fair I didn't dismiss it. He won a trophy up there and got them to a European final. It's just when he left to take the England job, I don't recall many of their fans being too bothered.
Interesting that Pearson is rumoured to be heading up their if McLaren goes. Their fans don't seem to chuffed at the idea though.
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Steve McClaren sacked. Him?
I don't get what it is about McLaren that people keep offering him jobs.
Middlesbrough. Reasonable, but thy didn't seem sad to see him go.
England. Failed
Forest. Failed
Derby. Failed.
Newcastle. Failed.
Twente - hugely successful.
But you can also have Wolfsburg - failed.
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He won the league in Holland didn't he? Bit unfair to dismiss his time at Boro, think he's a decent coach but not a manager.
To be fair I didn't dismiss it. He won a trophy up there and got them to a European final. It's just when he left to take the England job, I don't recall many of their fans being too bothered.
Interesting that Pearson is rumoured to be heading up their if McLaren goes. Their fans don't seem to chuffed at the idea though.
Pearson taking over at Loony Toons? That could just be car crash TV heaven. Pearson could largely get away with his particular brand of passive aggressive bollocks at Leicester because they were largely his players and not too many "fancy Dans" amongst them.
I can just imagine the response from some of McLaren's less robust signings, along with some of those from his predecessors, the first time Pearson asks one of them to shove his head up an emu's arse or whatever it was.
Can you imagine Pearson's attitude towards the likes of Wijnaldum, Gouffran, Thauvin or Mitrović. The only player I can I think of at Leicester who I wouldn't include "workmanlike" in their list of attributes is Mahrez and he spent 3/4 of last season trying to work out what to do with him.
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Since Moyes lost his job in Spain I've had him as the next Newcastle manager. Wonder if Ashley is a mate of Sherwood?
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Please, not Pearson. This is Aston Villa FC, we (used to) do things with a certain quiet respect.
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Our players weren't prepared to put up with Roy Keane. Why would the likes of Gabby be any different with Pearson?
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B'ham reporting Stan Petrov to return as 1st team coach. Plus Steve Bruce to be approached in the summer to attempt promotion from the Championship. Both good news to me if true.
B'ham Mail that is!
It's The Sun reporting the story. The Mail have just recycled it.
I could live with Bruce as manager. He wouldn't be my first choice but he'd be okay.
does he still live in solihull?
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Anyone but Garde.
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Anyone but Garde.
So there's about 7.3 billion better choices out there. ;)
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Everything about the structure of the club is broken, from the owner & leadership, recruitment, to the players, the manager & the fans.
By the time next season kicks off, half the team will be gone (no loss) & practically the whole management structure with them (again - no loss).
Whatever management team and group of players are in place next season (and I hope they have a good idea who that will be already) is going to have an extremely difficult job to stop the rot, never mind mount a challenge to come straight back.
First we must get a management structure that has experience of running a football club, I find it astounding that after 10 years of Lerners ownership we've failed to appoint anyone with the right experience and credentials to run the club in Lerners absence.
Then we need to find a manager with proven experience of getting a team out of that league. I'm afraid Garde is a dead man walking, which is unfortunate as he's been dealt a rotten hand and it is probably a case of the right man at the wrong time. But he looks broken.
The state we're in leaves a very small list to pick from, 3 of whom could be in the Premiership by then.
Dyche
Bruce
Pearson
Houghton
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Then we need to find a manager with proven experience of getting a team out of that league.
The state we're in leaves a very small list to pick from, 3 of whom could be in the Premiership by then.
Dyche
Bruce
Pearson
Houghton
I'm against narrowing the search down by any such criteria. The same as 'must have Premiership experience' was a crap idea a couple of years ago. The following managers all have 'proven experience of getting a team out of that league' - Aidy Boothroyd, Neil Warnock, Paul Lambert, Malky Mackay, Tony Mowbray, Alex McLeish. Would you want any of them?
Assuming Remi goes, I want a manager who presents a coherent, intelligent plan as to what kind of squad he wants to build, how he is going to build a style of football which doesn't make my eyes bleed to watch, how he is going to get us back into the Premier and how we're going to kick on when we get back up there. I couldn't care less where he's from or where he's managed before.
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If there was a coherent plan and some money I would say Rodgers would be a progressive move but it would take some convincing.
Moyes would have been perfect when Lambert was struggling and Moyes out of work, we waited too long and lost the chance, and again we went too early in sacking Tim and Moyes wanted to battle on for another few weeks in Spain.
He is one though, that I reckon if there was a different regime and he had full control would probably take it in the Championship with a lot of convincing.
No to Pearson. Liability on and off the pitch. Complete nutcase.
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Above all anything else, we need a manager that will get the most out of the squad and make them do whatever is required to get us out of the Championship at the first time of asking. There has been too much written about behind the scenes splits in the dressing room and players not responding to training, so we need a manager to manage these players and not take any crap...can you imagine the likes of Fat Sam or Pulis putting up with the crap that has been reportedly been happening behind the scenes lately?!
I dont think Garde has what it takes to turn around this current squad, so without wholesale changes then he may as well go.
Moyes, Rowett, Howe or Rodgers have to be on the wish list but if needs be, and no matter how much a lot of us would hate it, Fat Sam or Pulis would get the job done (in fact the last 2 are the most likely to sort this bunch of crap players out).
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Football managers like players have quite large ego's, but while we were only a run away train, prior to us turning into a complete train wreck we were not inundated with big names rushing the doors of Aston Villa, those that did poke their toes in the doors, I think Rafa comes to mind found out what he would be given budget wise and said thanks but no thanks, OGS feted and taxied around Europe by Lerner in his toy plane decided after talks to stay in the back lands. Tiny Penis walked from Palace due to lack of funds and or how transfers would be carried out, Moyes if to be believed has been asked a number of times and politely declined, Fat Sam I think will keep Sunderland up, Pearson thanks but no thanks. The list is getting smaller, but that would suit the club remember if major changes do not take place above the manager, these are the people that gave Mr. Sherwood the job, from a list of 1.
Yes of course there are loads out there , as mentioned earlier that would see this as a great challenge and because of their egos think they could have great success, what they will think after talking to Randy's Dumb and Dumber mates once inside the club, after the fact the last manager was not supported after I am sure being told he would be, maybe another stumbling block to getting a certified class man, instead of the just certified.
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The whole attitude of Lerner and the board will be the key thing i agree. As those rejections from Martinez, OGS etc., show, a manager with a reputation and good options isn't going to jump headlong into a job without the backing of the club or a plan by the club that makes sense. Yeah you'll get the desperate yesmen accepting it, but as their record here shows, a manager following a plan he doesn't really believe in, just gets you a bad manager. Hopefully Lerner and Co. have had 6 years to work out that a managerial structure where the manager is little more than a hired help is just as expensive and less successful than MON's control-freak model of running a club. They may be more willing to give a new manager a bit more hands-on control given the complete mess they've made of it.
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Someone asked whether Bruce still lives in Solihull? Yes, his family home.
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First of all, I think Garde will go. He'll either jump or we'll fire him - either way, I think it will be for the best. We're a basket case and we need radical surgery not a pleasant Frenchman...
Secondly, I have very little faith in the people who will make the appointment. This is one decision they can't get wrong. The place needs a clear out from top to bottom. Nobody should be safe - players, coaching staff, senior management need to be culled in huge numbers.
As Chairman, it seems that the decision should then fall to Hollis because the other idiots should all be shown the door. So he needs a manager to who he can say 'I entrust the football side of things to you entirely. You pick the coaching team. You decide if you want a director of football etc but you're the expert - you sort it all out, I'll back you with X amount of money, you tell me the players you want and we'll go and get them together'. Whether he has the nous to do that though is a different story...
Given the above, and the amount of blood that should be spilled in the dressing room and the boardroom, I think we might need a year of consolidation in the Championship to settle down. Promotion straight back up would be nice but we need to build a strong foundation - make sure we're ready for life back in the Premier League. We've struggled for too long - what's the point of going up if they're just going to subject us to the same shit all over again?
So for me, if he's still available, I think Moyes could do that. I don't think he'd be too proud to drop down a division. His reputation has taken a battering the last few years - so we both have that in common.
Appoint the wrong person though, fail to clear out the deadwood, and the freefall will continue...
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I would have more faith in a Tombola than our men in charge.
GH to McLeish to Lambert to the inky candidate Tim. Then Remi who I had very high hopes for.
It's anyone's guess.
Unless the manager can come in and rid the squad off the last five years, maybe keep the new French lads and coach Jack it will not matter who we get.
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Someone asked whether Bruce still lives in Solihull? Yes, his family home.
I heard ( from a legit source ) that he owns more than 12 properties in Solihull.................Godzvilla!
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I've seen Steve Bruce shopping in Knowle twice in the last year or so. Last summer I saw him coming out of Tesco in Knowle in his Hull City training gear.
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Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout. But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.
I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions. I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager. I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.
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Bruce plays dire defensive football as well, or has everyone forgotten how awful his Small Heath teams were to watch?
Christ, Steve Bruce at the Villa. It's the stuff of nightmares.
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I'd prefer Pearson to Fist Face.
When they beat us last January, Leicester should have won 6-0, instead of just 1-0. I'd rather a nutter who can actually play some sort of attacking footballer, than a Zeppelin who cannot.
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Bruce, Moyes, any one decent - I said earlier in the thread, it's cloud cuckoo land boys, no-one with any reputation to uphold will come and work for this train wreck.
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I'd prefer Pearson to Fist Face.
When they beat us last January, Leicester should have won 6-0, instead of just 1-0. I'd rather a nutter who can actually play some sort of attacking footballer, than a Zeppelin who cannot.
It was a 1-1 draw Ads.
I'm still cling on to it as a moral and spiritual victory!
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I'd prefer Pearson to Fist Face.
When they beat us last January, Leicester should have won 6-0, instead of just 1-0. I'd rather a nutter who can actually play some sort of attacking footballer, than a Zeppelin who cannot.
It was a 1-1 draw Ads.
I'm still cling on to it as a moral and spiritual victory!
We lost 1-0. Konchesky with a scuffed, deflected winner.
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What's John Sitton, the former Orient manager doing nowadays?......Would love to see him in the dressing room with our lot.
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What's John Sitton, the former Orient manager doing nowadays?......Would love to see him in the dressing room with our lot.
He's a London cabbie. Or a f@ckin' cabbie as he'd say.
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Surely after going for all these (young) managers with no or next to no Premier League experience we need to be looking at someone who has actually worn the t-shirt ?
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Alan Pardew could be available if he continues his poor run at Palace, I'd seriously consider him in the Championship.
Garry Monk played good football at Swansea, although the foundations were already there, would be more of a gamble.
Or there could be the chance to poach one of Bruce or Dyche as there's a good chance one of these two will miss out on automatic promotion with Boro likely to take 1 spot.
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First of all, I think Garde will go. He'll either jump or we'll fire him - either way, I think it will be for the best. We're a basket case and we need radical surgery not a pleasant Frenchman...
Secondly, I have very little faith in the people who will make the appointment. This is one decision they can't get wrong. The place needs a clear out from top to bottom. Nobody should be safe - players, coaching staff, senior management need to be culled in huge numbers.
As Chairman, it seems that the decision should then fall to Hollis because the other idiots should all be shown the door. So he needs a manager to who he can say 'I entrust the football side of things to you entirely. You pick the coaching team. You decide if you want a director of football etc but you're the expert - you sort it all out, I'll back you with X amount of money, you tell me the players you want and we'll go and get them together'. Whether he has the nous to do that though is a different story...
Given the above, and the amount of blood that should be spilled in the dressing room and the boardroom, I think we might need a year of consolidation in the Championship to settle down. Promotion straight back up would be nice but we need to build a strong foundation - make sure we're ready for life back in the Premier League. We've struggled for too long - what's the point of going up if they're just going to subject us to the same shit all over again?
So for me, if he's still available, I think Moyes could do that. I don't think he'd be too proud to drop down a division. His reputation has taken a battering the last few years - so we both have that in common.
Appoint the wrong person though, fail to clear out the deadwood, and the freefall will continue...
I'd agree with that - if a couple years in a lower league allowed us to clear decks and rebuild the rotten foundations, that is a price worth paying. The TV money is the only concern I would have but let's face it, having money and spending it well has escaped us these past 5-6 years so not even sure that matters as much as a complete clean out top to bottom
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I don't want ultra defensive but it's no coincidence that the best sides in the Championship have the best defensive records at the moment.
Swansea fans with all their good will wanted Monk out by the end there. While I think he is potentially a good manager I think our job would end him! It needs a genuinely experienced safe pair of hands for 2 or 3 years to get some stability into the squad.
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Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout. But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.
I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions. I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager. I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.
I can remember him running all over our pitch when they scored like he'd just discovered a cure for flatfaceism.
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i think his running days are behind him now. A bit like Gabby's.
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Couldn't care less - until those useless players are not part of our squad, it doesn't matter who is in charge.
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Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout. But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.
I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions. I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager. I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.
I can remember him running all over our pitch when they scored like he'd just discovered a cure for flatfaceism.
You'd be against then Dave? Who would you like?
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Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout. But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.
I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions. I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager. I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.
I can remember him running all over our pitch when they scored like he'd just discovered a cure for flatfaceism.
Not that I'm advocating Bruce for one second but isn't his excitability all a bit like "Villa fan" Lescott pretending to throw his shirt into the travelling crowd at Goodison after scoring? I don't really buy into how a player/manager acts when doing their job for someone else. Off course its been funny what happened to Bruce at that lot as much as Lescott looking the prize wanker as Young scored the winner...
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Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout. But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.
I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions. I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager. I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.
I can remember him running all over our pitch when they scored like he'd just discovered a cure for flatfaceism.
You'd be against then Dave? Who would you like?
No idea. I'd like Garde to have at least the summer to sort this lot out and bring his own players in.
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I can't decide on Garde anymore but I'd fully support him in the summer only if he got 100% backing in the summer to rid the club of every player he wanted to. Maybe part of my indifference is due to recent events but tempered by the fact that mitigating factors aren't helping him make sound decisions at the moment. The players at the root of the problem most definitely have to go with or without Garde.
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The whole attitude of Lerner and the board will be the key thing i agree. As those rejections from Martinez, OGS etc., show, a manager with a reputation and good options isn't going to jump headlong into a job without the backing of the club or a plan by the club that makes sense. Yeah you'll get the desperate yesmen accepting it, but as their record here shows, a manager following a plan he doesn't really believe in, just gets you a bad manager. Hopefully Lerner and Co. have had 6 years to work out that a managerial structure where the manager is little more than a hired help is just as expensive and less successful than MON's control-freak model of running a club. They may be more willing to give a new manager a bit more hands-on control given the complete mess they've made of it.
Solskjær didn't just turn us down. He was effectively blackmailed by Kjell Inge Røkke, the majority shareholder in Aker solutions who are to Molde what Etihad are to Man City.
The deal was he could continue to negotiate with us, but Røkke would pull the sponsorship of Molde, effectively putting them into administration. All of this was freely reported in the Norwegian press at the time.
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Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout. But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.
I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions. I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager. I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.
I can remember him running all over our pitch when they scored like he'd just discovered a cure for flatfaceism.
You'd be against then Dave? Who would you like?
No idea. I'd like Garde to have at least the summer to sort this lot out and bring his own players in.
So would I, but it's not going to happen, is it?
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Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout. But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.
I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions. I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager. I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.
I can remember him running all over our pitch when they scored like he'd just discovered a cure for flatfaceism.
You'd be against then Dave? Who would you like?
I am in this camp, no one knows better, who the real culprits are and what needs fixing.
A new manager has got to get all that learning before he sets upon the task of rebuilding the Team.
The most positive news we can get this summer is that he is staying, because I believe that means that he will have sufficient backing to start clearing up this awful mess.
No idea. I'd like Garde to have at least the summer to sort this lot out and bring his own players in.
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Couldn't care less - until those useless players are not part of our squad, it doesn't matter who is in charge.
Agree. Let's leave Garde in place and get rid of ***** who have humiliated us behind belief.
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I'm in the 'change the owner/board, change the playing staff & keep the manager' frame of mind myself.
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Sir Brian please
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Sir Brian please
I love him, but I wouldn't wish this upon him.
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Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout. But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.
I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions. I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager. I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.
I can remember him running all over our pitch when they scored like he'd just discovered a cure for flatfaceism.
You'd be against then Dave? Who would you like?
I am in this camp, no one knows better, who the real culprits are and what needs fixing.
A new manager has got to get all that learning before he sets upon the task of rebuilding the Team.
The most positive news we can get this summer is that he is staying, because I believe that means that he will have sufficient backing to start clearing up this awful mess.
No idea. I'd like Garde to have at least the summer to sort this lot out and bring his own players in.
Same. Garde had to take over a squad that was already failing badly and it's still the same squad failing badly.
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Moyes would be a dream too far.
We're cutting back on everything from tea ladies/stewards to players come the summer (hopefully ;D)
Excluding Man Utd, Moyes has been the highest paid employee at every club he's been at...and that might have been one of his problems - when dealing for the first time with players way above his wage level at Old Trafford.
I've a sneaking feeling that Remi might be our lowest paid manager in decades, if this policy of attrition continues, we should realistically be looking at a manager way down the food chain from the Allardyces and Bruce's.
Possibly European again.
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Sean Dyche for me, if he'd come. But it won't matter unless we get ready of the deadwood, the troublemakers and the lame and lazy in the squad - and the clueless ones upstairs.
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Keep Garde and ship out the problem players.
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Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout. But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.
I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions. I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager. I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.
I can remember him running all over our pitch when they scored like he'd just discovered a cure for flatfaceism.
You'd be against then Dave? Who would you like?
No idea. I'd like Garde to have at least the summer to sort this lot out and bring his own players in.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love Garde to be successful. I just think even with the hand he has been dealt we should have picked up more points than we have. I worry that we could continue to freefall and keeping him may just be too big a gamble.
I'm not a huge fan of Bruce, but with the number of promotions he has under his belt do think he could probably do a job.
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Chris Hughton wouldn't be a bad shout. Did really well with basket case regimes and low budgets at both Newcastle and Blues.
Bruce is a nice bloke and has done a solid job wherever he has managed.
Don't like him, but Warnock can handle that division pretty well even if he is a bit of a gobshite (Never forgiven him for turning us down to stay at Notts County though).
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Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout. But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.
I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions. I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager. I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.
I can remember him running all over our pitch when they scored like he'd just discovered a cure for flatfaceism.
You'd be against then Dave? Who would you like?
No idea. I'd like Garde to have at least the summer to sort this lot out and bring his own players in.
Not just his own players, wasn't the plan to bring in his preferred assistant too? Like Robertson and Clough, the other fella might provide the fire that Garde's package currently seems to lack.
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A strong man who is capable of putting some serious fear into the pathetic man-boys currently disgracing the Villa shirt
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A strong man you say?
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Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout. But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.
I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions. I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager. I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.
I can remember him running all over our pitch when they scored like he'd just discovered a cure for flatfaceism.
You'd be against then Dave? Who would you like?
No idea. I'd like Garde to have at least the summer to sort this lot out and bring his own players in.
Not just his own players, wasn't the plan to bring in his preferred assistant too? Like Robertson and Clough, the other fella might provide the fire that Garde's package currently seems to lack.
Bruno Genesio was appointed Lyon's manager, having previously been assistent, when Hubert Fournier was sacked right before Christmas. Gérald Baticle was promoted from coach to assistent manager at the same time, so unless they're both getting the bullet and a new manager appointed there, I'd say there's more chance of Garde pitching up in Lyon again.
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Keep Garde and ship out the problem players.
Really? It's his job to manage all types of players and he has failed to do that. If he didn't get on with certain players he didn't have to play them. They have let him down and he has let himself down, he and the 'problem players' can walk out the door and don't let it smack you on the backside on the way out!
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Keep Garde and ship out the problem players.
Really? It's his job to manage all types of players and he has failed to do that. If he didn't get on with certain players he didn't have to play them. They have let him down and he has let himself down, he and the 'problem players' can walk out the door and don't let it smack you on the backside on the way out!
So who would he have played - the "problem"players make up 75% of the defense, and 50% of the offense. The 'he didnt have to play them line' holds little water for me because he was fucked if he did and fucked if he didnt once the board reneged and told him he could not sign anybody in January. That was the moment our relegation was confirmed and his fate was sealed. As for the players, they will just carry on treating us with contempt because they are quite happy to trot onto the pitch, lose, and still go home in their fast cars irrespective.
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How can you win games of football when one or two players are not putting in let alone half a dozen that it seems we have in the team. They obviously got their noses out of joint when Timmy was sacked and the new manager realising how unfit they were put in a harder training schedule. As others have said Garde should be allowed the summer to get rid of the trouble makers and get his own players in.
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The trouble with giving Garde the summer to bring his own players in and shed the non-performers, is the realisation the non-performers won't go and the club aren't going to spend a few million and 10k a week for a replacement for say Gabby, if Gabby is still there on 55k a week
He may be a wonderful manager motivating his own players but that's not going to happen is it?
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I think the Garde is a dead man walking and will be gone when relegation is confirmed or at the end of the season at the latest.
I doubt we will see him employed in this country again.
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Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout. But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.
I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions. I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager. I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.
I can remember him running all over our pitch when they scored like he'd just discovered a cure for flatfaceism.
You'd be against then Dave? Who would you like?
No idea. I'd like Garde to have at least the summer to sort this lot out and bring his own players in.
I can see some similarities (though we are a lot worse in terms of our league placing) to Houllier's season. I wanted him gone at the end of that season, but on reflection he should have been given the summer to ship out the time wasters he had been clashing with all season and bring in his own players (Cabaye was mentioned at the time). As it was, the wasters were given another chance under a new manager and reverted to type after a few games.
I could see the above scenario happening again this summer if Garde leaves. New manager comes in, Gabby and pals out the effort in for a few games before tossing it off again, leaving another manager up the creek. I still think things have gone too far for Garde to come back now, but I wouldn't mind if Hollis came out and said the board were in full support of Garde, he will be here next season and he will have the support in the summer to get rid and bring in who he wants.
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The trouble with giving Garde the summer to bring his own players in and shed the non-performers, is the realisation the non-performers won't go and the club aren't going to spend a few million and 10k a week for a replacement for say Gabby, if Gabby is still there on 55k a week
He may be a wonderful manager motivating his own players but that's not going to happen is it?
If the lazy shower are not shown the door in the summer, we may as well give up, parcel the club up and stick an address label on it saying 'Division 1'. Aston Villa in the Championship is of absolutely no use to our owner.
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To bring Garde in and then not give him the opportunity to build his own side is akin to having an argument with somebody and not letting them get a word in.
What would have been the point of bringing a manager in for the future and judging him on motivation of a bunch of players that do not want to be motivated. Adding in the fact that he has been without 4 or 5 of the squad for most of his time here, he has been in an impossible situation.
Allowing Garde to leave or worse, getting rid of him, would be a great advertisement to get a decent new manager.
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The trouble with giving Garde the summer to bring his own players in and shed the non-performers, is the realisation the non-performers won't go and the club aren't going to spend a few million and 10k a week for a replacement for say Gabby, if Gabby is still there on 55k a week
He may be a wonderful manager motivating his own players but that's not going to happen is it?
If the lazy shower are not shown the door in the summer, we may as well give up, parcel the club up and stick an address label on it saying 'Division 1'. Aston Villa in the Championship is of absolutely no use to our owner.
How do you do it though? you can only pay-up their contracts which will cost millions so you're stuck with them unless someone wants them and i'm guessing there's not a long list of suitors for any of them, and an even shorter list of clubs who would pay them enough to make them consider leaving. As we saw with the remnants of MON's squad, the crap players stayed and saw out their contracts because any club who was half-interested in them, certainly wasn't going to pay them what they were getting at Villa.
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I'd happily get rid of almost the entire squad, I hate so many of them.
However, some of them might be shite in the top flight, but will be more than good enough in the championship, and others are on long deals and are going to be hard to get rid of.
We're not going to ditch a whole squad in one summer.
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The trouble with giving Garde the summer to bring his own players in and shed the non-performers, is the realisation the non-performers won't go and the club aren't going to spend a few million and 10k a week for a replacement for say Gabby, if Gabby is still there on 55k a week
He may be a wonderful manager motivating his own players but that's not going to happen is it?
If the lazy shower are not shown the door in the summer, we may as well give up, parcel the club up and stick an address label on it saying 'Division 1'. Aston Villa in the Championship is of absolutely no use to our owner.
How do you do it though? you can only pay-up their contracts which will cost millions so you're stuck with them unless someone wants them and i'm guessing there's not a long list of suitors for any of them, and an even shorter list of clubs who would pay them enough to make them consider leaving. As we saw with the remnants of MON's squad, the crap players stayed and saw out their contracts because any club who was half-interested in them, certainly wasn't going to pay them what they were getting at Villa.
Just because it costs you money to get rid of a player, should not be the reason for keeping him. You have to weigh up the benefits against the cost. A £55k/week player not being played because he is not good enough, cost you £55k a week for nothing or £2.75m per year. You would be better off giving the player the money to leave so as to clear the negativity from the club.
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The trouble with giving Garde the summer to bring his own players in and shed the non-performers, is the realisation the non-performers won't go and the club aren't going to spend a few million and 10k a week for a replacement for say Gabby, if Gabby is still there on 55k a week
He may be a wonderful manager motivating his own players but that's not going to happen is it?
If the lazy shower are not shown the door in the summer, we may as well give up, parcel the club up and stick an address label on it saying 'Division 1'. Aston Villa in the Championship is of absolutely no use to our owner.
How do you do it though? you can only pay-up their contracts which will cost millions so you're stuck with them unless someone wants them and i'm guessing there's not a long list of suitors for any of them, and an even shorter list of clubs who would pay them enough to make them consider leaving. As we saw with the remnants of MON's squad, the crap players stayed and saw out their contracts because any club who was half-interested in them, certainly wasn't going to pay them what they were getting at Villa.
Just because it costs you money to get rid of a player, should not be the reason for keeping him. You have to weigh up the benefits against the cost. A £55k/week player not being played because he is not good enough, cost you £55k a week for nothing or £2.75m per year. You would be better off giving the player the money to leave so as to clear the negativity from the club.
yeah i agree in a perfect world, but times that with the other non-performers and that's a hell of a lot of money to write off AND buy replacements. This club isn't going to sanction that realistically. They will want a manager to get something out of them and Garde can't
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Why should they leave for less money? You wouldn't, neither would I.
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This is pure fantasy and I accept he could never be persuaded in a million years, but there is a proven premier league manager capable of top four finishes while keeping the books balanced at the same time and who may well be looking for a new challenge this summer.
I'd be pretty sure Tom Fox has his mobile number too.
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Why should they leave for less money? You wouldn't, neither would I.
When you add it to a lesser contract at another club, it can work out to more money. You just have to pitch it at the right level so that another club will take them on, particularly if it is a free transfer and the player gets a signing on fee.
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This is pure fantasy and I accept he could never be persuaded in a million years, but there is a proven premier league manager capable of top four finishes while keeping the books balanced at the same time and who may well be looking for a new challenge this summer.
I'd be pretty sure Tom Fox has his mobile number too.
And he's ruined his last two clubs. I'd be open to his appointment but I don't think you should ignore the disappointments in his managerial career.
You could say McLeish had a good record if you ignore the relegations.
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This is pure fantasy and I accept he could never be persuaded in a million years, but there is a proven premier league manager capable of top four finishes while keeping the books balanced at the same time and who may well be looking for a new challenge this summer.
I'd be pretty sure Tom Fox has his mobile number too.
And he's ruined his last two clubs. I'd be open to his appointment but I don't think you should ignore the disappointments in his managerial career.
You could say McLeish had a good record if you ignore the relegations.
I think he's talking about Wenger!
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This is pure fantasy and I accept he could never be persuaded in a million years, but there is a proven premier league manager capable of top four finishes while keeping the books balanced at the same time and who may well be looking for a new challenge this summer.
I'd be pretty sure Tom Fox has his mobile number too.
And he's ruined his last two clubs. I'd be open to his appointment but I don't think you should ignore the disappointments in his managerial career.
You could say McLeish had a good record if you ignore the relegations.
I think he's talking about Wenger!
Yeah, me too. I bet cdbullyweefan is shit at Guess Who.
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Ha!
And shit at Guess Woo, in this instance.
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Ha!
And shit at Guess Woo, in this instance.
Who did you think he meant?
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Moe Syzslak.
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Moe Syzslak.
Aghh, there's always a line!*
Quote from M.S in the Homer Runs for Sanitation Commissioner episode. Not to be confused with 'the chairman deals with all that.' (Sky Sports News passim)
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I think appointing Bruce or Pearson would be the end for me.
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Please don't start with laursen etc..
We need someone who has experience at that sort of thing, Missed a trick by not going for Fat Sam
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Dave Bassett hahahaha
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O Neil anyone?
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Joe Kinnear is still available.
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are you having a giraffe?
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Why would anyone want a "championship manager"?
We need a manager better than the championship, so we can get out of it, not one who knows it / operates in it. That's the absolute last thing we need.
I suppose it is realism and pragmatism.
Managers fall into these main groups.
A. Managers with a proven track record of success.
B. Managers with a proven track record of failure.
C. Managers with a proven track record of more humble results, perhaps success at lower levels, or mid table in premier league or equivalent.
D. Managers without a proven track record. Some of these might have had a promising season here or there.
I'd say under Lerner our appointments have been MON - A, Houllier - A, Mcleish - B, Lambert - C, Sherwood - D, Garde - D
Of course by the time they have left all their reputations have been tarnished. It shows their is no guarantee that previous results will have a bearing on performance. But presuming we are not going to attract managers from group A, and don't want to sign managers from group B, we will be left between punts on up and comers and steady but limited types.
I can see why people would feel nervous about taking another punt, even if the rewards could be far greater than hiring some steady eddy dull and known to be limited 'championship' manager. Because if the punt is anything like our last few appointments we'll get lost in the championship wilderness.
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Why Pearson?? People go on about Leicesters last 10 games but what about the previous 30?? The reason Leicester are where they are now is down to Ranieri and not Pearson
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I know it's been said before many times as well as being strongly disagreed with... but I still fancy Nigel Pearson as the next manager. Can you imagine this very alpha male giving space to a Gabby and his ilk? I would love to watch the cups fly.
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I hope that whoever's in the post come August has a clear idea of how they want us to play the game. I'm sick and tired of seeing eleven men in claret and blue (or yellow and black) pretending to be Aston Villa. And I don't even think that's down to terrible ownership on Lerner's part - it's the constant addition of bad eggs to an already stinking henhouse. As many have said, Blues are a basketcase but Rowett seems to have ignored all that. Newcastle still have Mike Ashley but they cantered to promotion. Hull seemed to want to implode over what they were called and are there or thereabouts.
Give me Villa performances I can love and I'll take a season in the Championship, whoever's responsible.
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oh god here we are again,
btw I was one of the many shouting for David Moyes only to be put down by the minority on here going for Remi, well that ship has sailed.
imo we don't know what Remi can do cuz his had nothing from any one at this mental institute that is villa park, so I now say can we at least give him a window where he can make changes, I think I would "try" and off load most of the first team squad, get the kids in and buy some players that actually want to play for the club.
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I know it's been said before many times as well as being strongly disagreed with... but I still fancy Nigel Pearson as the next manager. Can you imagine this very alpha male giving space to a Gabby and his ilk? I would love to watch the cups fly.
He's a bullying twat.
Would you want a manager who thought it was ok to shout at his own fans to "fuck off and die"?
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I know it's been said before many times as well as being strongly disagreed with... but I still fancy Nigel Pearson as the next manager. Can you imagine this very alpha male giving space to a Gabby and his ilk? I would love to watch the cups fly.
I'd prefer to watch a capable football manager make us play better.
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I know it's been said before many times as well as being strongly disagreed with... but I still fancy Nigel Pearson as the next manager. Can you imagine this very alpha male giving space to a Gabby and his ilk? I would love to watch the cups fly.
He's a bullying twat.
Would you want a manager who thought it was ok to shout at his own fans to "fuck off and die"?
"Hi Nigel, the job is yours if you can cut out the dying bit, and redirect it at the playing staff"
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'Actually, if you're addressing the players don't worry too much about cutting out the dying bit, on second thoughts.'
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I don't get this idea that Pearson would be a firm hand which would "sort it". That's entirely the reason Lambert hired Roy Keane and he jacked it in virtually straight away. And if the biggest pro in the weighing up of Nigel Pearson is "bully", I'll pass, thanks.
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If you do not tackle the cause of the problem, you will never control the effects of the problem.
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I know it's been said before many times as well as being strongly disagreed with... but I still fancy Nigel Pearson as the next manager. Can you imagine this very alpha male giving space to a Gabby and his ilk? I would love to watch the cups fly.
He's a bullying twat.
Would you want a manager who thought it was ok to shout at his own fans to "fuck off and die"?
"Hi Nigel, the job is yours if you can cut out the dying bit, and redirect it at the playing staff"
He's a grade A mentalist. I'll be honest he scares the living shit out of me and that's just from watching him on tv. And for that very simple reason I wouldn't be opposed to him rocking up at VP and scaring the shit out of the likes of Flabby and Richards. If he could unsettle the wasters in our squad to the extent they want out of the club, it's a very cost effective way of rebuilding. Lets employ bogeyman Pearson... Plus it will be terrific entertainment, better than the football...
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I know it's been said before many times as well as being strongly disagreed with... but I still fancy Nigel Pearson as the next manager. Can you imagine this very alpha male giving space to a Gabby and his ilk? I would love to watch the cups fly.
I'd prefer to watch a capable football manager make us play better.
Well said that man!
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I don't want a former Blues manager, not because I don't rate them, but because it gives the media an easy pop at us fans if it goes tits a la McLeish.
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It doesn't matter in the manager is a former Birmingham (or Albion). All that matters is what their track record is and ultimately is he any good? McLeish was garbage and should never have been hired. Any media that reports he failed with us because of his former allegiance isn't worth reading.
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I know it's been said before many times as well as being strongly disagreed with... but I still fancy Nigel Pearson as the next manager. Can you imagine this very alpha male giving space to a Gabby and his ilk? I would love to watch the cups fly.
He's a bullying twat.
Would you want a manager who thought it was ok to shout at his own fans to "fuck off and die"?
"Hi Nigel, the job is yours if you can cut out the dying bit, and redirect it at the playing staff"
He's a grade A mentalist. I'll be honest he scares the living shit out of me and that's just from watching him on tv. And for that very simple reason I wouldn't be opposed to him rocking up at VP and scaring the shit out of the likes of Flabby and Richards. If he could unsettle the wasters in our squad to the extent they want out of the club, it's a very cost effective way of rebuilding. Lets employ bogeyman Pearson... Plus it will be terrific entertainment, better than the football...
The press conferences would be the highlight of the week
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Things that shine brightly with the normal names that go around, the likes of Pardew, Pearson, Bruce Monk, and all these blood and guts, so the press would have you believe, British managers, when things are going well it is all honky dory, what they do not have is the ability to correct a wavering ship, i.e. Palace now, Pearson may have kept Leicester up but he was never the long term solution to improving them, let alone his personality issues.
We have been on a losing run for the best part of 5 years, the players we currently employ are on the whole a disgrace and that attitude is spreading if what you saw of Ghana after 80 minutes last week is anything to go on, plus the big fact alot of them are just not very good, we had the argument after Chancer, that anyone could get more out of this squad, well anyone must not have included Garde, because he has not been able to.
Who next god only knows. but advise should be sort by the club and time taken to properly vet the next incumbent and make sure you have a list of more than one and get rid of the present incompetent arseholes in place, Fox etc and balance out having the off field structure manned by the correct people who's major role will be to do everything to improve what Aston Villa should be about, the clue is in the name, Aston Villa FOOTBALL Club.
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It doesn't matter in the manager is a former Birmingham (or Albion). All that matters is what their track record is and ultimately is he any good? McLeish was garbage and should never have been hired. Any media that reports he failed with us because of his former allegiance isn't worth reading.
Bearing in mind that the Bodymoor Heath graffiti mentioned Small Heath and just about everyone interviewed outside the ground who were protesting against him said they didn't want him because he managed them, I can see why the media formed that opinion.
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It doesn't matter in the manager is a former Birmingham (or Albion). All that matters is what their track record is and ultimately is he any good? McLeish was garbage and should never have been hired. Any media that reports he failed with us because of his former allegiance isn't worth reading.
Bearing in mind that the Bodymoor Heath graffiti mentioned Small Heath and just about everyone interviewed outside the ground who were protesting against him said they didn't want him because he managed them, I can see why the media formed that opinion.
That, plus it always strikes me that the people who were most vehemently against him doth protested a bit too much that it wasn't down to where he came from.
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It's because McLeish was shit. The fact that he was knuckledragger shit just compounded matters. If Pep Guardiola was a knuckledragger, does any bright spark out there think we'd turn our noses up at him?
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I must have imagined all the "At least Ellis never appointed no Bluenose" comments I heard then.
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If they had a manager or player worth having it would amuse me even more if we just clicked our fingers and took him from them. McLeish however wasn't worth having. Everyone bar a handful of people knew that at the time, unfortunately they were the ones that had the power to appoint him. It remains one of the most ridiculous decisions in our history.
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The overly negative reaction was because he was a shit bluenose. If he'd been a brilliant bluenose we'd have been doubly delighted to take him off their hands.
Only dim knuckledraggers and sensationalist hacks don't seem to get it.
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It wasn't who or what he was - he came from them and that was all that mattered to some of our supporters.
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I can't talk for everybody, but it stands to reason. If your despised neighbour dumps horseshit on your lawn you'd be unhappy, but especially so because it was him who dumped it - he was getting rid of something bad. If he dropped a thick envelope of used £50 notes on your drive, you'd swipe it for yourself, and be especially delighted because it was your despised neighbour's money - he'd lost something good.
Again, would any of those supporters have turned their noses up at Pep Guardiola?
This one really boils.
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All I can do is repeat what I heard - some didn't want him because of his lack of ability, some (I've no idea how many but the existed) because of where he came from.
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It wasn't who or what he was - he came from them and that was all that mattered to some of our supporters.
I do personally think that the majority of the fans who went down to VP and protested did so for that reason. Gary Rowett wouldn't be accepted by some either despite the reasonable job he's done.
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But context is everything here. What comes out of a pissed off football fan's mouth in anger won't always be a fully reasoned or nuanced argument. Sometimes it'll be "Fuk off bloonose small eaf skum." They might not be bright enough to articulate their disapproval. But it simply is not just about where he came from. Football doesn't work like that and neither does human nature.
To further illustrate the point, at the time I met a knuckledragger who literally did a jig of joy at McLeish going to Villa. That jig encapsulated everything that was galling about the appointment for Villa fans. We were taking their shit off their hands, they were delighted. Now, if we'd taken Pep Guardiola off them, it would have been me doing a dance.
This annoys me because it was spun by sensationalist press, and serves the knuckledragger view that we're obsessed with them to the point that we wouldn't take a manager off them, regardless of his capabilities. It's total horseshit.
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It's because McLeish was shit. The fact that he was knuckledragger shit just compounded matters. If Pep Guardiola was a knuckledragger, does any bright spark out there think we'd turn our noses up at him?
Yep, the fact he got a team relegated was the issue for me. We rewarded failure and put him in charge at our club.
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It's because McLeish was shit. The fact that he was knuckledragger shit just compounded matters. If Pep Guardiola was a knuckledragger, does any bright spark out there think we'd turn our noses up at him?
Yep, the fact he got a team relegated was the issue for me. We rewarded failure and put him in charge at our club.
Correct. And how would you have felt if, in some parallel universe, we'd taken Pep off them, and he'd bought his best mates Lionel Messi and Andres Iniesta with him?
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It's because McLeish was shit. The fact that he was knuckledragger shit just compounded matters. If Pep Guardiola was a knuckledragger, does any bright spark out there think we'd turn our noses up at him?
Yep, the fact he got a team relegated was the issue for me. We rewarded failure and put him in charge at our club.
Although Everton also rewarded Martinez for making Wigan gradually worse and eventually relegating them.
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That, and the timely compo payment to Blose - £2 million wasn't it? At a time when they were facing receivership and mulling over sacking him anyway.
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It wasn't who or what he was - he came from them and that was all that mattered to some of our supporters.
I do personally think that the majority of the fans who went down to VP and protested did so for that reason. Gary Rowett wouldn't be accepted by some either despite the reasonable job he's done.
Yep but you're always going to have some idiots. I don't care where a manager comes from it's their ability that matters.
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It's because McLeish was shit. The fact that he was knuckledragger shit just compounded matters. If Pep Guardiola was a knuckledragger, does any bright spark out there think we'd turn our noses up at him?
Yep, the fact he got a team relegated was the issue for me. We rewarded failure and put him in charge at our club.
Exactly. For what it's worth I'd be happy with Rowett this summer. He probably wouldn't be my first choice but we could do a lot worse.
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It doesn't really matter if we change manager for the next campaign. It will be exactly the same because Lerner and Hollis will keep a tight hold on the purse strings and the players we want rid of will still be there picking up their fat wage packets.
How can it be any different.
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It wasn't who or what he was - he came from them and that was all that mattered to some of our supporters.
I do personally think that the majority of the fans who went down to VP and protested did so for that reason. Gary Rowett wouldn't be accepted by some either despite the reasonable job he's done.
Yep but you're always going to have some idiots. I don't care where a manager comes from it's their ability that matters.
Exactly. But even the thickest idiot knows shit stinks and diamonds sparkle. It's just that Small Heath shit stinks that much more.
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I think we have to keep 'en Garde'. Let alone the spine of the team is non existent so is whoever is meant to be running our club. It would unfair for Garde' to take the flak for that.
We know the shower he has inherited and it took him 10 games or so but we saw his ideas working as we went on that good run, albeit after giving the players a good load of grief to shit em up at Wycombe..now the players dropped back to their pitiful selves, well I say players I mean the ones who are meant to be the core of our team - Richards,bacuna,Gabby,guzan,lescott, that's are highest earners so they should be showing the way, should. Where's their fight.
So we should fock them 5 off for starters cos that core is one maggot infested rotten to the marrow core of an apple.
The internal side of the Villa seems to be having a proper going over which is great, that should leave en Garde' free to sort his own team out staring in June. Would have been better in the prem.
So fore me I would keep Garde' as I think he has vision.
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It's because McLeish was shit. The fact that he was knuckledragger shit just compounded matters. If Pep Guardiola was a knuckledragger, does any bright spark out there think we'd turn our noses up at him?
Yep, the fact he got a team relegated was the issue for me. We rewarded failure and put him in charge at our club.
Exactly. For what it's worth I'd be happy with Rowett this summer. He probably wouldn't be my first choice but we could do a lot worse.
Our board aren't daft enough to go back there for a manager after what happened last time i.e. with the backlash of where he came from...are they?
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I would not want Tiny Penis because of his style of football, not because he's the Bitters manager, two clubs I hate as much as Small Heath, Albion and Man U but I and the rest of us welcomed Big Ron with open arms.
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It's because McLeish was shit. The fact that he was knuckledragger shit just compounded matters. If Pep Guardiola was a knuckledragger, does any bright spark out there think we'd turn our noses up at him?
Yep, the fact he got a team relegated was the issue for me. We rewarded failure and put him in charge at our club.
Exactly. For what it's worth I'd be happy with Rowett this summer. He probably wouldn't be my first choice but we could do a lot worse.
Our board aren't daft enough to go back there for a manager after what happened last time i.e. with the backlash of where he came from...are they?
That's the point thought, if we'd pinched a successful manager of theirs I think he'd have been welcomed with open arms and we'd have found the whole thing quite amusing. Granted McLeish had won a cup but he'd then preceded to feck it up by getting them relegated, again. That was the big problem.
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I'd say no on Rowett because of where he'd be coming from. Whether or not he'd be a good manager isn't the point. If Eck had won a trophy with us he'd still be hated by a fair few, which isn't the right atmosphere to have in the fan base. It's sad, but its true.
Look at Leicester to see what can be achieved when fans, board, players etc all believe in what they are trying to achieve.
If Garde goes, and I'm not particularly fussed either way with him at the moment, we'd need an appointment we could all get behind.
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I'd say no on Rowett because of where he'd be coming from. Whether or not he'd be a good manager isn't the point. If Eck had won a trophy with us he'd still be hated by a fair few, which isn't the right atmosphere to have in the fan base. It's sad, but its true.
Look at Leicester to see what can be achieved when fans, board, players etc all believe in what they are trying to achieve.
If Garde goes, and I'm not particularly fussed either way with him at the moment, we'd need an appointment we could all get behind.
Absolutely right. So we need a manager who can pull out a miracle from a nearly impossible position and stave off relegation. Basically you are saying its Nige for us then!
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I'd say no on Rowett because of where he'd be coming from. Whether or not he'd be a good manager isn't the point. If Eck had won a trophy with us he'd still be hated by a fair few, which isn't the right atmosphere to have in the fan base. It's sad, but its true.
Look at Leicester to see what can be achieved when fans, board, players etc all believe in what they are trying to achieve.
If Garde goes, and I'm not particularly fussed either way with him at the moment, we'd need an appointment we could all get behind.
Absolutely right. So we need a manager who can pull out a miracle from a nearly impossible position and stave off relegation. Basically you are saying its Nige for us then!
I don't think any appointment now will make any difference to relegation. Need to look towards next season.
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It's because McLeish was shit. The fact that he was knuckledragger shit just compounded matters. If Pep Guardiola was a knuckledragger, does any bright spark out there think we'd turn our noses up at him?
Yep, the fact he got a team relegated was the issue for me. We rewarded failure and put him in charge at our club.
Exactly. For what it's worth I'd be happy with Rowett this summer. He probably wouldn't be my first choice but we could do a lot worse.
Our board aren't daft enough to go back there for a manager after what happened last time i.e. with the backlash of where he came from...are they?
no , but if they did , do you think rowett would accept the job if offered
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We should keep Garde.
But as it seems inevitable he will unfairly take the flak for this train wreck of a club right now, a new manager it is - God help whomever they appoint.
And if it's Pearson, I'm done with the club. We are already an absolute laughing stock - his appointment would make our current embarrassment look positively glorious a year from now.
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It's because McLeish was shit. The fact that he was knuckledragger shit just compounded matters. If Pep Guardiola was a knuckledragger, does any bright spark out there think we'd turn our noses up at him?
Yep, the fact he got a team relegated was the issue for me. We rewarded failure and put him in charge at our club.
Exactly. For what it's worth I'd be happy with Rowett this summer. He probably wouldn't be my first choice but we could do a lot worse.
Our board aren't daft enough to go back there for a manager after what happened last time i.e. with the backlash of where he came from...are they?
no , but if they did , do you think rowett would accept the job if offered
Why on earth wouldn't he?
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I think we have to keep 'en Garde'. Let alone the spine of the team is non existent so is whoever is meant to be running our club. It would unfair for Garde' to take the flak for that.
We know the shower he has inherited and it took him 10 games or so but we saw his ideas working as we went on that good run, albeit after giving the players a good load of grief to shit em up at Wycombe..now the players dropped back to their pitiful selves, well I say players I mean the ones who are meant to be the core of our team - Richards,bacuna,Gabby,guzan,lescott, that's are highest earners so they should be showing the way, should. Where's their fight.
So we should fock them 5 off for starters cos that core is one maggot infested rotten to the marrow core of an apple.
The internal side of the Villa seems to be having a proper going over which is great, that should leave en Garde' free to sort his own team out staring in June. Would have been better in the prem.
So fore me I would keep Garde' as I think he has vision.
I feel the same way re Garde but the worry is that you can't just get rid of players unless you pay off contracts. There was an article in the Guardian recently which set out to explain that teams who change managers and then the squad following relegation are statistically likely to not come straight back. It's the Hull/Burnley approach which works more often. Can't see us having a hope in hell with the current squad so it's keep Garde, change as much as you can and get ready for a long wait for promotion I reckon.
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It's because McLeish was shit. The fact that he was knuckledragger shit just compounded matters. If Pep Guardiola was a knuckledragger, does any bright spark out there think we'd turn our noses up at him?
Yep, the fact he got a team relegated was the issue for me. We rewarded failure and put him in charge at our club.
Exactly. For what it's worth I'd be happy with Rowett this summer. He probably wouldn't be my first choice but we could do a lot worse.
Our board aren't daft enough to go back there for a manager after what happened last time i.e. with the backlash of where he came from...are they?
no , but if they did , do you think rowett would accept the job if offered
Why on earth wouldn't he?
Because it's a massive high risk job - terrible track record, owner who wants out, boardroom in disarray, players who are clearly not up to it, no money. Plenty of reasons to say "No thanks"
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so a bit like his current employers?
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Bob Bradley not linked yet?????
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As people are living far longer these days I reckon Ron Atkinson even at 76 would be very willing to have another go. Doug isn't there and we need a big big character to sort our multi millionaires out. A choice that would be very popular with our support I am sure.
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I think it would finish him off Ron within five minutes of taking the post
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It's because McLeish was shit. The fact that he was knuckledragger shit just compounded matters. If Pep Guardiola was a knuckledragger, does any bright spark out there think we'd turn our noses up at him?
Yep, the fact he got a team relegated was the issue for me. We rewarded failure and put him in charge at our club.
Relegated twice and had somehow managed to finish third in a two horse race with Rangers. When you add that to the fact he was manager of Birmingham city, it was a bona fide 'WTF' moment.
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I think it would finish him off Ron within five minutes of taking the post
Gabby would choke on his KFC if it came off. Its just possible that Reg Hollis has heard of him. None of the others though! The press conference would be entertaining though!
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It's because McLeish was shit. The fact that he was knuckledragger shit just compounded matters. If Pep Guardiola was a knuckledragger, does any bright spark out there think we'd turn our noses up at him?
Yep, the fact he got a team relegated was the issue for me. We rewarded failure and put him in charge at our club.
Exactly. For what it's worth I'd be happy with Rowett this summer. He probably wouldn't be my first choice but we could do a lot worse.
Our board aren't daft enough to go back there for a manager after what happened last time i.e. with the backlash of where he came from...are they?
no , but if they did , do you think rowett would accept the job if offered
Why on earth wouldn't he?
Because it's a massive high risk job - terrible track record, owner who wants out, boardroom in disarray, players who are clearly not up to it, no money. Plenty of reasons to say "No thanks"
So still a far better proposition to the one that his current employer was in when he said yes to them?
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Better the devil you know
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Better the devil you know
On that logic he is still Burton Albion manager.
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Better the devil you know
On that logic he is still Burton Albion manager.
As he likely wishes he was. Anyway, we shall see
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For the record I'd rather we keep Garde, because I think if he could sign some of his own players and get rid of those he clearly doesn't want we'd probably do ok.
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sign some players
Those were the days.
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Some bloke on WM earlier suggested Gary Neville.
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Some bloke tit on WM earlier suggested Gary Neville.
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Some bloke tit on WM earlier suggested Gary Neville.
To be fair there's plenty I wouldn't choose before I got to Neville
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Some bloke tit on WM earlier suggested Gary Neville.
To be fair there's plenty I wouldn't choose before I got to Neville
Agreed. I dont particularly want him but there are a lot I want less... if that makes sense.
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why not try try a manager from Aldi?
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It wasn't who or what he was - he came from them and that was all that mattered to some of our supporters.
Yeah agreed,
But what made it worse was the directive the fella was given, ie cut the wage bill, and in doing that , getting rid of some of our decent players , it didn't exactly win him favour from those that were prepared to hang him any way. and then we had the snowball affect. and fuck it even the most learned h&v scribes were preparing his crucifixion
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Pearson for me. The ideal man to sort us out, get us back up and keep us up then see how much he can progress us from there. Rodgers would be my second choice for similar reasons but my concern is his record at clubs where there was a fair bit of work to do like Watford, Reading and to an extent Liverpool whereas at Swansea he inherited a good side.
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Still dont want a British manager but if we did then Pearson/ Rodgers would be fine by me. Both are nutcases but are actually good managers. Bonus points for Pearson is he may humiliate that villa hating twat Pat Murphy again. I would be very happy to see that.
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The only manager Nigel Pearson has ever humiliated with his behaviour is Nigel Pearson.
I could live with Rodgers, mind.
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It wasn't who or what he was - he came from them and that was all that mattered to some of our supporters.
Yeah agreed,
But what made it worse was the directive the fella was given, ie cut the wage bill, and in doing that , getting rid of some of our decent players ,
And he did that by giving Shay Given a 5 year £55k per week contract, N'Zogbia a 5 year £60k per week contract and paying Jermaine Jenas not to play for us for a year. Didn't help himself really, did he? Or us!
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The only manager Nigel Pearson has ever humiliated with his behaviour is Nigel Pearson.
I could live with Rodgers, mind.
Different perspectives, I loved seeing him lay into Pat Murphy :)
That aside I saw Pearson's Leicester in the championship. He really had them playing very well and made some very astute substitutions & adjustments during the games.
Agree with you though that if we must go British (I hope we dont) Rodgers would be my first choice. His Swansea and even Liverpool played some very pleasing stuff indeed. I would like that.
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If Rodgers would take it, and we committed to his project to oversee it over a number of years, he would be ideal. But neither will.
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Looks like it won't be Rafa Benitez. Could very well be on his way to Newcastle
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Looks like it won't be Rafa Benitez. Could very well be on his way to Newcastle
If that happens fair play to the mags. That would be a massive coup.
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Looks like it won't be Rafa Benitez. Could very well be on his way to Newcastle
If that happens fair play to the mags. That would be a massive coup.
Fact
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With 9 to play that's a huge gamble. In the summer it's a great appointment but where they are he will have a tough free weeks ahead.
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Looks like it won't be Rafa Benitez. Could very well be on his way to Newcastle
it was never going to be benitez, he wouldnt come to us when we were a pl club
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Looks like it won't be Rafa Benitez. Could very well be on his way to Newcastle
it was never going to be benitez, he wouldnt come to us when we were a pl club
He was going to come until Randy explained that he would have to work on a very limited budget
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I dread to think who we'll get..
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I dread to think who we'll get..
Probably Shaun O'Driscoll.....and I'm not joking!
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Knowing our board it will be Donald Trump.
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With 9 to play that's a huge gamble. In the summer it's a great appointment but where they are he will have a tough free weeks ahead.
They've lost four of their last five. You could argue it's far more of a gamble not to make a change.
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Bonus points for Pearson is he may humiliate that villa hating twat Pat Murphy again.
I don't get why people think Murphy hates Villa, he's not a fan of Lerner that much is clear but I've heard him be very positive about the club and support over the years.
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Yep I don't see that Murphy has a problem with Villa.
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Yep I don't see that Murphy has a problem with Villa.
He has a problem with Randolph...as do some of us, but not the Villa.
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Based on those accounts and idiotic avoidable costs there is no chance Garde will be sacked, which I'm happy with.
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well if he stays he's really been fucked over - anyone worth a bean will be sold (if possible, (obviously not the Flabby one or Bacuna etc.) leaving lots of dross and a tiny pot to piss in transfer budget wise. Awkward.
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Yep I don't see that Murphy has a problem with Villa.
He has a problem with Randolph...as do some of us, but not the Villa.
Murphy's having a meltdown in Twitter about Villa's radio silence.
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Yep I don't see that Murphy has a problem with Villa.
I agree. He's had a problem with Lerner since day 1, he's pretty fair with Villa though. Let's face it we've deserved the stick we've had over the last few years.
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Based on those accounts and idiotic avoidable costs there is no chance Garde will be sacked, which I'm happy with.
True, that is a plus.
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we don't need to pander to the media or people like Pat Murphy but presenting a friendlier face can work in our favour in how we are reported and perceived. Why make enemies where you don't have to?
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Still dont want a British manager but if we did then Pearson/ Rodgers would be fine by me. Both are nutcases but are actually good managers. Bonus points for Pearson is he may humiliate that villa hating twat Pat Murphy again. I would be very happy to see that.
Yep because the foreign managers we've had have been brilliant for us!!
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They haven't done badly for lots of other teams. Past performances of Villa managers should have no impact on who we appoint.
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Still dont want a British manager but if we did then Pearson/ Rodgers would be fine by me. Both are nutcases but are actually good managers. Bonus points for Pearson is he may humiliate that villa hating twat Pat Murphy again. I would be very happy to see that.
Yep because the foreign managers we've had have been brilliant for us!!
Quite.
Those happy with Garde. What has the guy done to convince you he's the man?
It's got jack to do with foreign / uk. More about a handful of points in 4 months.
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Garde's talked the talk but been terrible.
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Bonus points for Pearson is he may humiliate that villa hating twat Pat Murphy again.
I don't get why people think Murphy hates Villa, he's not a fan of Lerner that much is clear but I've heard him be very positive about the club and support over the years.
agree with that
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Garde has been shafted by the board and a malignant core of players who been corroding the club with their subs par efforts for years.
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Still dont want a British manager but if we did then Pearson/ Rodgers would be fine by me. Both are nutcases but are actually good managers. Bonus points for Pearson is he may humiliate that villa hating twat Pat Murphy again. I would be very happy to see that.
Yep because the foreign managers we've had have been brilliant for us!!
Quite.
Those happy with Garde. What has the guy done to convince you he's the man?
It's got jack to do with foreign / uk. More about a handful of points in 4 months.
Honest answer?
A.) He is bringing terrible results.
B.) He has not been backed .
C.) Is not a delusional fuckwit in his press conferences.
Our previous 3 British managers have done A.) but do not have the positives or excuses of B&C .
I also am pretty bigoted against British managers. As a group they are just out of date and seem to need to be dragged to a progressive footballing style. This maybe unfair but it is my impression.
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Still dont want a British manager but if we did then Pearson/ Rodgers would be fine by me. Both are nutcases but are actually good managers. Bonus points for Pearson is he may humiliate that villa hating twat Pat Murphy again. I would be very happy to see that.
Yep because the foreign managers we've had have been brilliant for us!!
Quite.
Those happy with Garde. What has the guy done to convince you he's the man?
It's got jack to do with foreign / uk. More about a handful of points in 4 months.
Honest answer?
A.) He is bringing terrible results.
B.) He has not been backed .
C.) Is not a delusional fuckwit in his press conferences.
Our previous 3 British managers have done A.) but do not have the positives or excuses of B&C .
I also am pretty bigoted against British managers. As a group they are just out of date and seem to need to be dragged to a progressive footballing style. This maybe unfair but it is my impression.
Bigoted against British managers? 'As a group'...? You are being unfair.
That Garde sounds urbane in interviews and was (undoubtedly) thrown under the bus in January, doesn't excuse the dross he has presided over. I was more convinced (albeit extremely fleetingly) with Sherwood. And that is saying something.
To be honest, I'm sick of hearing how nothing will change til Randy sells up. Him and his incompetence is clearly the root cause of our woes, but Garde is the worst manager we've had for a log time, at least results wise. He might well be a success elsewhere, but for Villa? No way.
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Stan Collymores tweeting something about Steve Bruce next season. Rather keep Garde myself.
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They haven't done badly for lots of other teams. Past performances of Villa managers should have no impact on who we appoint.
So have a lot of the British managers we have had. Therefore I agree with your second point, British or not.
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I can see the logic of getting Bruce in. He is long departed Blues, and usually has a decent 2-3 year period. Hull went down due to not scoring enough goals last season but were decent at the back, he would get us organised and has as good a chance as anyone at being a safe pair of hands to come back up. He would be sensible for where we are, although pretty uninspiring. Maybe sensible is what we need for a while.
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Why would he leave Hull probably in premier league?
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Would prefer Moyes but ok with Steve Bruce. Done a good job generally wherever he's been, good with Blues, very good with Wigan, ok with Sunderland, got Hull punching above their weight. Can he manage a big club?
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Here's one for the mix, he definitely knows the championship, Billy Davies.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/35780942
Whenever he has managed a side in the English Championship for a full season, Davies has never failed to at least steer them into the play-offs.
In the same league, he has never failed to reach the 79-point mark, and nobody has won more manager of the month awards in the Championship. He broke long-standing club records at Nottingham Forest, Derby and Preston, the three sides he has managed in England.
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He also seemed to go a bit mental during his last Forest stint. From Wiki, not sure how he'd cope with the pressure down B6.
Davies' second spell proved to be a controversial and damaging one. He sacked long-serving club staff without explanation, shouting at a photographer taking photos for the club's matchday programme after a match at Millwall, banning journalists issuing a "near media blackout" and employing his cousin, Jim Price, a suspended solicitor, as his closest advisor.[26][27]
After an eight-game winless run leaving Nottingham Forest one place and two points outside of the play-off positions and having seen his side lose 5-0 to local rivals Derby County on 22 March, he was sacked on 24 March 2014. A statement on Forest's website read "Nottingham Forest Football Club have confirmed the termination of manager Billy Davies' employment.[28][29]
Louise Taylor of The Guardian pointed to Davies' "paranoia", "self-destructive insecurities" and "obsession with conspiracy theories and old grudges" as the reasons behind his downfall, suggesting that he had "shattered" his reputation.[30] The Daily Telegraph's John Percy, who was one of a number of reporters who were "accused of being in league with his former employers" for questioning decisions Davies made, said that Davies was "destined for failure" because he was "obsessed" with conspiracies and hidden agendas. He pointed to the "huge funds" Davies was given to get Forest promoted and suggested that he "could have got away with" the "unsavoury" behaviour, had Forest been winning.[31] John Payne of The Metro said that Davies owed the Forest fans an apology for his behaviour after failing to acknowledge them at the end of the defeat to Derby and "insulted fans' intelligence" by refusing to answer straight questions on the rare occasion he gave press interviews
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They haven't done badly for lots of other teams. Past performances of Villa managers should have no impact on who we appoint.
So have a lot of the British managers we have had. Therefore I agree with your second point, British or not.
Well, quite. But that contradicts your initial point.
Yep because the foreign managers we've had have been brilliant for us!!
If you agree that past managers' performances shouldn't affect our decision on whether to appoint a British/foreign manager, why draw attention to past deficiencies of two or three men out of the seven billion or so non-British people in the World?
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Here's one for the mix, he definitely knows the championship, Billy Davies.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/35780942
Whenever he has managed a side in the English Championship for a full season, Davies has never failed to at least steer them into the play-offs.
In the same league, he has never failed to reach the 79-point mark, and nobody has won more manager of the month awards in the Championship. He broke long-standing club records at Nottingham Forest, Derby and Preston, the three sides he has managed in England.
Davies is a truly odious character, after his antics at Forest second time around he really should never be given a management position again
Sign him up
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Why would he leave Hull probably in premier league?
Had quite a bit of money to spend last time Hull were up as well.
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It's difficult to be a brilliant author and a successful football manager at the same time.
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No way to Billy Davies. He's nuts.
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we're nuts, he's nuts, what's not to like?
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Ah yes Steve Bruce the man who spent a fortune relegating Hull.
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The problem I have with this "has to know the Championship well" malarkey is that there is usually a pretty obvious reason they are so intimately acquainted - they can't get out of it!
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Would be an incredibly uninspired and predictable appointment if we went for Bruce. He'd probably get us in the play-offs and up but where you go from there apart from down again. He's shown no record of building a team who can stay in the premier
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Massive no to Billy Davies. Horrible, classless little bastard.
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Ah yes Steve Bruce the man who spent a fortune relegating Hull.
Just over 20m net the last two summers, hardly massive amounts at all by PL standards. Got to an FA Cup Final in that time.
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Perhaps I am the odd one out but whoever is our manager I want it to be somebody who actually looks, speaks and acts like the Acceptable Face of AVFC. The thought of Steve Bruce or Billy Davies makes me nauseous. The man we have bellowed "sit down Potato Head" at?
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agreed Brian but he does have a good record of getting clubs out of the Chumps League - long term no, but I'm not averse for a year or two
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We need Remi Garde.
He is intelligent and knows football, he has class, he's honest and decent. I have great respect for him.
We need Remi, set free to do what has to be done. That's all, folks.
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A new manager would keep the likes of Gabby and co rather keep Garde and toss all the cretins out.
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I jokingly suggested Davies. I shall never jokingly suggest anything ever again if that prick does ever come to Villa.
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agreed Brian but he does have a good record of getting clubs out of the Chumps League - long term no, but I'm not averse for a year or two
Meaning one year to get promoted and another to get relegated. Back to square one. No thanks
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Perhaps I am the odd one out but whoever is our manager I want it to be somebody who actually looks, speaks and acts like the Acceptable Face of AVFC. The thought of Steve Bruce or Billy Davies makes me nauseous. The man we have bellowed "sit down Potato Head" at?
This.
We've become a bit of a laughing stock over the last few seasons - we need someone with status, dignity and footballing astuteness to get us back on the right track.
The Billy Davieses and Steve Bruces of this world ain't gonna do that!
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We need Remi Garde.
He is intelligent and knows football, he has class, he's honest and decent. I have great respect for him.
We need Remi, set free to do what has to be done. That's all, folks.
I agree. If we have now sunk to the level of firing managers after half a season when we put them in a straight jacket, we are doomed to years of failure to come.
His biggest mistake was to ever believe the cretins in the boardroom, and try to save the Titanic even after the existing crew had read the last rites.
He's the only fuckin class act left apart (from 'most' of the fans). And to think we used to think of class and Villa as harmonious.
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As always I find comfort that I am not alone in wanting our club to behave with dignity.We could have Sid or Stylian as caretakers in charge next season and still smash our way back. Our luck will turn, our form will turn, referees will start to be fairer and confidence will flow back. Being the Villa manager in the Chumps is the golden ticket. Staying back up is the bigger problem.
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That we are even discussing Billy Davies is horrendously depressing. While Newcastle, having just spent £30m are about to appoint Rafa Benitez, a very experience and proven football manager. He'll get them out of trouble, and they'll invest next season and not be in the same position again. He also brings credibility to the position. Oh for a little credibility...
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We need Remi Garde.
He is intelligent and knows football, he has class, he's honest and decent. I have great respect for him.
We need Remi, set free to do what has to be done. That's all, folks.
Yep, he's all of the above. Unfortunately he seems like a bit of a shit manager as well.
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We need Remi Garde.
He is intelligent and knows football, he has class, he's honest and decent. I have great respect for him.
We need Remi, set free to do what has to be done. That's all, folks.
Yep, he's all of the above. Unfortunately he seems like a bit of a shit manager as well.
If one looks myopically at his body of work with Villa, true. If one steps back however and looks at his body of work as a manager overall, I'd have to disagree.
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Steve McClaren just became available!
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We need Remi Garde.
He is intelligent and knows football, he has class, he's honest and decent. I have great respect for him.
We need Remi, set free to do what has to be done. That's all, folks.
Yep, he's all of the above. Unfortunately he seems like a bit of a shit manager as well.
If one looks myopically at his body of work with Villa, true. If one steps back however and looks at his body of work as a manager overall, I'd have to disagree.
I think there's often a 'right fit' though and as much as I like Remi and don't doubt that he could have success elsewhere in the future I don't think he's the right fit for us. I think it's really hard to be the right fit for us under the circumstances but I'm still convinced there are managers out there that would make a better fist of it than McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood and Garde, all of which I think lacked the skill/experience/persona to do well for us.
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Jesus with Mclaren now being avaialble without compo I'm afraid!
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We need Remi Garde.
He is intelligent and knows football, he has class, he's honest and decent. I have great respect for him.
We need Remi, set free to do what has to be done. That's all, folks.
Yep, he's all of the above. Unfortunately he seems like a bit of a shit manager as well.
If one looks myopically at his body of work with Villa, true. If one steps back however and looks at his body of work as a manager overall, I'd have to disagree.
Similarly, one could look at Alex McLeish's record at Rangers and conclude that he was a genius as well. Maybe we should have kept him.
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Jesus with Mclaren now being avaialble without compo I'm afraid!
If Benitez goes there as expected it means Moyes and Rodgers remain available. We could be a good option for Moyes - he may consider he could get us back up swiftly and restore his own mangerial credibility as well.
All that said, we'll only get a new gaffer if Garde walks as I can't see any chance we'll pay out compo after yesterdays results.
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Jesus with Mclaren now being avaialble without compo I'm afraid!
I'd take Jesus out of the 2
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I would imagine the main reason Benitez has taken the Newcastle job is that he's been promised a shit load of money for transfers.
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Garde has been shafted by the board and a malignant core of players who been corroding the club with their subs par efforts for years.
and he keeps picking them , week in week out
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How low have we sunk when Steve fucking Bruce appears to be a palatable option for some fans?
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I'd like to consider a ban on the term "how low have we sunk"
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What have we become
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I have to say I'd be quite happy with Potato Head, he's always respectful of our club when he brings a team to Villa Park and he knows how to organise a team in the championship.
We have to face reality if (when) Remi walks in the Summer who better than Bruce is going to put their hat in the ring for what has become the poison chalice job of football? If Hull get promotion he might not even look twice at us. Chris Hughton would then be my next target.
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I have to say I'd be quite happy with Potato Head, he's always respectful of our club when he brings a team to Villa Park and he knows how to organise a team in the championship.
We have to face reality if (when) Remi walks in the Summer who better than Bruce is going to put their hat in the ring for what has become the poison chalice job of football? If Hull get promotion he might not even look twice at us. Chris Hughton would then be my next target.
he wasnt respectful when blues scored against us , him and nigel spink in their blues tracksuits running on the pitch , jumping up and down doing wild celebrations
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I have to say I'd be quite happy with Potato Head, he's always respectful of our club when he brings a team to Villa Park and he knows how to organise a team in the championship.
We have to face reality if (when) Remi walks in the Summer who better than Bruce is going to put their hat in the ring for what has become the poison chalice job of football? If Hull get promotion he might not even look twice at us. Chris Hughton would then be my next target.
he wasnt respectful when blues scored against us , him and nigel spink in their blues tracksuits running on the pitch , jumping up and down doing wild celebrations
Nothing wrong with that just shows his passion and how much it meant to score against the mighty neighbours - hopefully if Bruce takes over this could mean Spinksy could give up his courier job and come back as Goalkeeping coach because lets face it the current incumbent is useless and we have never been weaker in the goalkeeping department.
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We need Remi Garde.
He is intelligent and knows football, he has class, he's honest and decent. I have great respect for him.
We need Remi, set free to do what has to be done. That's all, folks.
Yep, he's all of the above. Unfortunately he seems like a bit of a shit manager as well.
If one looks myopically at his body of work with Villa, true. If one steps back however and looks at his body of work as a manager overall, I'd have to disagree.
Similarly, one could look at Alex McLeish's record at Rangers and conclude that he was a genius as well. Maybe we should have kept him.
So I think while we disagree on what to do with RG, we agree that previous track record is no indicator of future track record.
One of the most important aspects of corporate success is not hiring great talent, its hiring great talent and putting them into a great environment. Research after research suggests its the marriage of those two factors that produces the right corporate results. I know much more about corporate (having sent 30 years in it) than I do about football admittedly, but seems to me that Villa has become analogous to that question - Clark Griswold suggests that none of McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood or Garde were 'qualified' - begs the question (given they to varying degrees all met with some success and some failure) who then does? On this logical argument, Bruce, Pearson, Pulis - they all fail the test. Those who have PL experience and have an unblemished track record would not risk their career on the Villa job.
Help me out here - who is that guy?
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I have to say I'd be quite happy with Potato Head, he's always respectful of our club when he brings a team to Villa Park and he knows how to organise a team in the championship.
We have to face reality if (when) Remi walks in the Summer who better than Bruce is going to put their hat in the ring for what has become the poison chalice job of football? If Hull get promotion he might not even look twice at us. Chris Hughton would then be my next target.
he wasnt respectful when blues scored against us , him and nigel spink in their blues tracksuits running on the pitch , jumping up and down doing wild celebrations
Nothing wrong with that just shows his passion and how much it meant to score against the mighty neighbours - hopefully if Bruce takes over this could mean Spinksy could give up his courier job and come back as Goalkeeping coach because lets face it the current incumbent is useless and we have never been weaker in the goalkeeping department.
Whilst Steve Bruce might not be the most inspirational manager that people would like to see at VP it is time to wake up and smell the coffee. If Remi leaves, the next manager has to come in and sort out the absolute catastrophe that is the present day Aston Villa. It needs someone who is a bit long in the tooth, who has seen the ups and downs of managing in English football, who has experience of dealing with the various types of ungrateful players etc. Ok he has never managed a team at the top of the PL but there again he has never been in charge of one with such natural resources as there is at B6. Personally I would be quite happy to see him in the dugout next season.
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I have to say I'd be quite happy with Potato Head, he's always respectful of our club when he brings a team to Villa Park and he knows how to organise a team in the championship.
We have to face reality if (when) Remi walks in the Summer who better than Bruce is going to put their hat in the ring for what has become the poison chalice job of football? If Hull get promotion he might not even look twice at us. Chris Hughton would then be my next target.
he wasnt respectful when blues scored against us , him and nigel spink in their blues tracksuits running on the pitch , jumping up and down doing wild celebrations
Nothing wrong with that just shows his passion and how much it meant to score against the mighty neighbours - hopefully if Bruce takes over this could mean Spinksy could give up his courier job and come back as Goalkeeping coach because lets face it the current incumbent is useless and we have never been weaker in the goalkeeping department.
Nigel in goal would be an upgrade right now!
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I have to say I'd be quite happy with Potato Head, he's always respectful of our club when he brings a team to Villa Park and he knows how to organise a team in the championship.
We have to face reality if (when) Remi walks in the Summer who better than Bruce is going to put their hat in the ring for what has become the poison chalice job of football? If Hull get promotion he might not even look twice at us. Chris Hughton would then be my next target.
he wasnt respectful when blues scored against us , him and nigel spink in their blues tracksuits running on the pitch , jumping up and down doing wild celebrations
Nothing wrong with that just shows his passion and how much it meant to score against the mighty neighbours - hopefully if Bruce takes over this could mean Spinksy could give up his courier job and come back as Goalkeeping coach because lets face it the current incumbent is useless and we have never been weaker in the goalkeeping department.
Nigel in goal would be an upgrade right now!
Even Budgie!
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Mick McCarthy. He's not a great manager but seems to do well in the Championship and if it goes tits up, at least he seems like a nice bloke and a funny bloke.
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McClaren is available now...
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McClaren is available now...
malcom
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McClaren is available now...
malcom
in Highgate cemetary!
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McClaren is available now...
Be afraid, be very afraid!
There's some scary names banded about. Pearson, Davies, Neville. Until Hollis or someone at the club actually tells us what's going on with the future plans of the club its all hypothetical.
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Don't think Remi will be walking He's just stated he has a 3 year contract and has never said he wanted to leave.
He will want his pay out if sacked
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Good don't leave Remi, turn us round next year.
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I suppose Foxy picks up the same dough for being shite so maybe he's playing the same game
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I'd like to consider a ban on the term "how low have we sunk"
I'd like us not to be sinking to new lows, thereby making the term obsolete.
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I'd like to consider a ban on the term "how low have we sunk"
I'd like us not to be sinking to new lows, thereby making the term obsolete.
Well we haven't sunk to new lows unless you consider, specifically to your point Steve Bruce lower than say Graham Turner for example.
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No way to Billy Davies. He's nuts.
You would have to be to take the Villa job at the moment though wouldn't you? Like the Billy Connolly line about the desire to be a politician meaning you are too mad to be allowed to be one.
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Well we can go back to the 60s for ultimate lows; but as far as recent/relevant history goes, Bruce hasn't shown anything to suggest he's much better than McLeish or Lambert.
He's the man you appoint when you completely run out of ideas and ambition.
He *might* be able to get us promoted, but then what? Another relegation battle, and come Christmas 2017 we're looking for another new manager. And if he doesn't get us promoted, we'll have to sack him anyway. Another £3m "exceptional item" in the accounts.
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Bruce hasn't shown anything to suggest he's much better than McLeish or Lambert.
He's the man you appoint when you completely run out of ideas and ambition.
He *might* be able to get us promoted, but then what? Another relegation battle, and come Christmas 2017 we're looking for another new manager. And if he doesn't get us promoted, we'll have to sack him anyway. Another £3m "exceptional item" in the accounts.
I've not great love for Bruce but he has 3 promotions under his belt and a strong chance of a 4th this season. With the ever increasing sky gravy train number one priority has to be to get back in the PL and stabalise us there. He will probably offer as good a chance as anyone to achieve that. Once that is done, then we can talk about kicking on.
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Steve Bruce would be very steady. But I hope Moyes, who has something to prove, would be the number one choice.
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
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Franks and Regan were arguing about this on one of my rare listens to WM tonight. Franks says get rid and Regan says stick with him.
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I don't get the Moyes thing.
10 years ago, yes, but I can't help but think he's seen better days and is on his way down.
If we appointed him, I'd love to be wrong!
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Sky reporting Karanka has walked out on Middlesbrough.
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
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Sky reporting Karanka has walked out on Middlesbrough.
Massive knock to their promotion hopes if true.
Slight interest - a mate who "supports" them is always telling me what wonderful supporters they have - better than every other club.
(He doesn't get it that all supporters feel this way about their club!)
He lives within 3 miles of the ground and never goes to games.
I'd be gutted if they didn't make to to the PL.
;-)
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well it will be interesting if he's spotted in any Villa crowd between now and May
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What do you reckon on southgate now little involved ?
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Whoever is in charge, their remit is promotion and establishing villa as a PL club again. It doesn't need to be a big or fashionable name. If in a few seasons we are midtable then we can look to move forward again but that seems a long way away.
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
Yes, God forbid a manager offer players an opportunity to prove him wrong after offering some constructive criticism.
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Break the bank for Howe.
Aston Villa in the championship is still a bigger job than Bournemouth in the Premier League.
This, and there is a sense that he has taken Bournemouth as far as he can. But I don't think he would switch. For one when he tried it with a bigger club in Burnley (bigger club than Bournemouth I meant), it didn't work out. And also, he has a good relationship with the board and just loves it there, so unless it was for another top flight side I'm not sure he would leave.
Moyes would be ideal, but at this stage I don't think he would be willing to take a gamble on us in the Championship and is holding out for a PL job.
Think we have to be looking at the experienced Championship, but still very much in their primes brackets, so anyone out of Dyche, Houghton and Pearson would be good for me. Dyche might be the best long term prospect, whereas Houghton and Pearson maybe more short-term project type managers.
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
Maybe if he'd been backed in January he wouldn't need to. We have a lot of injuries and very few choices on who to select. Who are all these alternatives? People shout about giving the youngsters a go, but to what end? Maybe they're not good enough or even if they are why throw them into a hopeless situation that'll damage them. I suspect Garde is picking the parasites because he knows we're down and ultimately we're not going damage the confidence and belief of some players who we actually want around the club in the future. It is painful to see us lose, but the rest of this season doesn't matter as our fate is sealed. Better to suffer some short term pain than damage those who might give us a long term gain. If Garde is here after the summer and is properly backed I can almost guarantee you won't see the likes of Agbonlahor and Guzan in the team again.
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Personally I would rather keep R.G....but I wonder if this guy will be available ?, BBC reporting that trouble is brewing at the Riverside..........Godzvilla!
Middlesbrough head coach Aitor Karanka is considering his future at the club.
The 42-year-old Spaniard, who took charge at the Riverside in November 2013, left Boro's training ground unexpectedly on Friday after a row.
Boro, who travel to Charlton on Sunday, are second in the Championship, four points behind leaders Burnley with a game in hand.
But, having led the table by six points on 12 January, they have won just three of their past 10 games.
The club's hierarchy are trying to convince him to stay.
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I want to see what Remi Garde can do with some real players. If we still have the same squad it's irrelevant who the manager is.
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
Proves him right then.
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
Yes, God forbid a manager offer players an opportunity to prove him wrong after offering some constructive criticism.
just dont do it openly, its not that difficult a concept to grasp
we are getting worse not better under him
did anyone want mcneill to stay?
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The consensus on dropping the highly paid shit stains that are infecting the team for the youngsters, that would at least give something back, is a bit pie in the sky if anyone thinks it's going to change any results at this stage of the season.
As much as I despise M.Utd, they probably had the most successful crop of youngsters blooded together in recent history, yet even them coming into a team that was a really good team anyway, took a while to find their way and get good results.
Trying to compare that to us, who are circling the plughole and precariously close to being flushed away, will do nothing for the confidence of the youngsters nor the team confidence and if anything will place seeds of doubt into those that have been targeted to start next season fresh and full of confidence.
Stick with the shit stains and let them forever blight their future careers - as they clearly do not posses the intelligence to see that not only are they damaging the mighty Villa, but also their own reputation.
Now if only Remi could say that at a press conference.
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Looks like Karanka has fallen out with Boro, if Garde leaves wouldn't mind him at Villa.
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He's walked out because the players wouldn't back him, so he'd last one training session here.
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I don't get the Moyes thing.
10 years ago, yes, but I can't help but think he's seen better days and is on his way down.
If we appointed him, I'd love to be wrong!
Agreed, Moyes isn't what Villa want now. It's someone like Bilic
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He's walked out because the players wouldn't back him, so he'd last one training session here.
I hope that all of these trouble makers will be gone next season who ever is in charge.
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
Yes, God forbid a manager offer players an opportunity to prove him wrong after offering some constructive criticism.
just dont do it openly, its not that difficult a concept to grasp
we are getting worse not better under him
did anyone want mcneill to stay?
Is there some fucking law nobody has told me about which means you can't?
Because otherwise it's one of those bollocks football cliches that people blindly follow.
Telling us everything is rosy whilst serving up utter drivel worked well for the last boss, didn't it?
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
Yes, God forbid a manager offer players an opportunity to prove him wrong after offering some constructive criticism.
just dont do it openly, its not that difficult a concept to grasp
we are getting worse not better under him
did anyone want mcneill to stay?
Is there some fucking law nobody has told me about which means you can't?
Because otherwise it's one of those bollocks football cliches that people blindly follow.
Telling us everything is rosy whilst serving up utter drivel worked well for the last boss, didn't it?
anyone can see that everything is shit you only have to look at the table
garde calling players out with no backup plan was naive in the extreme and backfired
i watched a villa side stop trying against liverpool which cannot be defended.
he has made a shit team shitter, if you want to give reasons to the contary be my guest
2 wins in half a season
no further questions your honour
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
Yes, God forbid a manager offer players an opportunity to prove him wrong after offering some constructive criticism.
just dont do it openly, its not that difficult a concept to grasp
we are getting worse not better under him
did anyone want mcneill to stay?
Is there some fucking law nobody has told me about which means you can't?
Because otherwise it's one of those bollocks football cliches that people blindly follow.
Telling us everything is rosy whilst serving up utter drivel worked well for the last boss, didn't it?
anyone can see that everything is shit you only have to look at the table
garde calling players out with no backup plan was naive in the extreme and backfired
i watched a villa side stop trying against liverpool which cannot be defended.
he has made a shit team shitter, if you want to give reasons to the contary be my guest
2 wins in half a season
no further questions your honour
You see, you've just repeated the same tired cliche without explaining a thing.
Garde 'called out' as you say, those fuckwits after we got stuffed by Liverpool, which was the very least they deserved for their pathetic display and lack of effort.
I'm absolutely not having this bollocks about criticising them, it's claptrap. Fergie may have been against it but his players worked for him, they'd earned it.
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
Yes, God forbid a manager offer players an opportunity to prove him wrong after offering some constructive criticism.
just dont do it openly, its not that difficult a concept to grasp
we are getting worse not better under him
did anyone want mcneill to stay?
Is there some fucking law nobody has told me about which means you can't?
Because otherwise it's one of those bollocks football cliches that people blindly follow.
Telling us everything is rosy whilst serving up utter drivel worked well for the last boss, didn't it?
anyone can see that everything is shit you only have to look at the table
garde calling players out with no backup plan was naive in the extreme and backfired
i watched a villa side stop trying against liverpool which cannot be defended.
he has made a shit team shitter, if you want to give reasons to the contary be my guest
2 wins in half a season
no further questions your honour
Would the honourable council please approach the bench?
Mr Funkeltrumpet approaches.
Judge...Mr Funkletrumpet, I wish to bring to your attention that those are statements you have made and not, questions you have asked. You may return to your seat.
Mr Funkeltrumpet shuffles back, suitably rebuked.
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Glad Garde went public - it was well overdue.
Was it naive? That presumes he would have got a different reaction had he 'buttered their bread' as Lambert often did for example ("players gave their all" blah blah)... oh, yeah, the results were the same.
And I'll take an honest perhaps naive manager than a lying calculating dipwit any day of the week.
You sees what you want.
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I'm not happy at all with our results, I'm not happy with the idea of next season being in the old 2nd division, it's a disgrace. The biggest thing that is really winding me up though is these leeches sucking money from our club and in the background undermining the authority and fans at the same time. With this, I believe Remi has pinpointed this and if given the chance he will sack these players and rebuild something good here.
Until any manager is allowed to do this we will not be able to progress. I'd rather trust Remi to do it than Pearson, Davies or Bruce.
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I'm not happy at all with our results, I'm not happy with the idea of next season being in the old 2nd division, it's a disgrace. The biggest thing that is really winding me up though is these leeches sucking money from our club and in the background undermining the authority and fans at the same time. With this, I believe Remi has pinpointed this and if given the chance he will sack these players and rebuild something good here.
Until any manager is allowed to do this we will not be able to progress. I'd rather trust Remi to do it than Pearson, Davies or Bruce.
I agree, although I'd argue it's unfair to lump Bruce in with those as he's not a mentalist.
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I'm not happy at all with our results, I'm not happy with the idea of next season being in the old 2nd division, it's a disgrace. The biggest thing that is really winding me up though is these leeches sucking money from our club and in the background undermining the authority and fans at the same time. With this, I believe Remi has pinpointed this and if given the chance he will sack these players and rebuild something good here.
Until any manager is allowed to do this we will not be able to progress. I'd rather trust Remi to do it than Pearson, Davies or Bruce.
Maybe not and a bit unfair. I actually like Bruce as a character, he seems a decent bloke, it's just he's not that inspiring to think he's our next manager.
I agree, although I'd argue it's unfair to lump Bruce in with those as he's not a mentalist.
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We could do worse than Neil Warnock. Upsetter of apple carts..
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Neil Warnock, a shitter suggestion as Villa manager I am yet to see.
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Neil Warnock, a shitter suggestion as Villa manager I am yet to see.
You'd better get used to it.
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Neil Warnock, a shitter suggestion as Villa manager I am yet to see.
You'd better get used to it.
Get used to what? More shit suggestions from you as Villa manager?
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Yes. It might look all rosy from Toronto..
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Yes. It might look all rosy from Toronto..
I don't even know what means? Care to explain?
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I mean you might be slightly disengaged...
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I mean you might be slightly disengaged...
go on, this is getting interesting.
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It'd be a good idea if neither of you went on.
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I mean you might be slightly disengaged...
go on, this is getting interesting.
No it's not. It's boring. You'd better get used to the likes of Warnock being touted as Villa manager because that's what's going to happen. If we're lucky it might be Bruce or Pearson. Or McCarthy. Get used to it. Unless you can shoehorn Rowett into the equation. But guess what, he's not coming.
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I'd bet my bollocks that Colin would never rock up here as manager.
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you mean Colin Powell? He's be good I think, in a macho sort of way.
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With all the thought of a 'Championship Manager' being needed next season, the thought of Colin W*anker had crossed my mind. Had to have a long shower afterwards !!
What a parting gift from Lerner that would be!
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Get ready for a whole host of shite Z listers to be associated with us
I'm sure I'll feel differently about matters come August (as I've not been to Rotherham yet)
But for now watching the likes of Bournemouth, Sunderland and Norwich making a fist of it whilst we sit there languishing like a comatosed patient paralysed from the neck down is an indictment of just how shit we are.
Mike Bassett, f*ck it, let's put him in the mix.
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
Yes, God forbid a manager offer players an opportunity to prove him wrong after offering some constructive criticism.
just dont do it openly, its not that difficult a concept to grasp
we are getting worse not better under him
did anyone want mcneill to stay?
Is there some fucking law nobody has told me about which means you can't?
Because otherwise it's one of those bollocks football cliches that people blindly follow.
Telling us everything is rosy whilst serving up utter drivel worked well for the last boss, didn't it?
anyone can see that everything is shit you only have to look at the table
garde calling players out with no backup plan was naive in the extreme and backfired
i watched a villa side stop trying against liverpool which cannot be defended.
he has made a shit team shitter, if you want to give reasons to the contary be my guest
2 wins in half a season
no further questions your honour
You see, you've just repeated the same tired cliche without explaining a thing.
Garde 'called out' as you say, those fuckwits after we got stuffed by Liverpool, which was the very least they deserved for their pathetic display and lack of effort.
I'm absolutely not having this bollocks about criticising them, it's claptrap. Fergie may have been against it but his players worked for him, they'd earned it.
not explaining a thing?
ive explained how garde publically called out the players then picked them all again the next week which acheived the square route of fuck all
ive explained that he cannot motivate them, has zero motivatial skills, is tactically inept, has won 2 games in half a season and is on paper a worse mananger than billy mcneill
and im the one who is deluded?
how many more facts do you want to ignore?
garde is not the man to take us forward in any shape or form
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
Yes, God forbid a manager offer players an opportunity to prove him wrong after offering some constructive criticism.
just dont do it openly, its not that difficult a concept to grasp
we are getting worse not better under him
did anyone want mcneill to stay?
Is there some fucking law nobody has told me about which means you can't?
Because otherwise it's one of those bollocks football cliches that people blindly follow.
Telling us everything is rosy whilst serving up utter drivel worked well for the last boss, didn't it?
anyone can see that everything is shit you only have to look at the table
garde calling players out with no backup plan was naive in the extreme and backfired
i watched a villa side stop trying against liverpool which cannot be defended.
he has made a shit team shitter, if you want to give reasons to the contary be my guest
2 wins in half a season
no further questions your honour
You see, you've just repeated the same tired cliche without explaining a thing.
Garde 'called out' as you say, those fuckwits after we got stuffed by Liverpool, which was the very least they deserved for their pathetic display and lack of effort.
I'm absolutely not having this bollocks about criticising them, it's claptrap. Fergie may have been against it but his players worked for him, they'd earned it.
not explaining a thing?
ive explained how garde publically called out the players then picked them all again the next week which acheived the square route of fuck all
ive explained that he cannot motivate them, has zero motivatial skills, is tactically inept, has won 2 games in half a season and is on paper a worse mananger than billy mcneill
and im the one who is deluded?
how many more facts do you want to ignore?
garde is not the man to take us forward in any shape or form
Surely we are all on board with this thinking?
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In no given order and thinking realistically...
Simon Grayson
Glenn Hoddle
Dean Smith
Martin Laursen
In no given order
No
No
No
No
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Karanka. If we can't get someone like that in and go after Steve Bruce or one of the other usual suspects, then we may as well pack it in.
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In no given order and thinking realistically...
Simon Grayson
Glenn Hoddle
Dean Smith
Martin Laursen
In no given order
No
No
No
No
Is this an exercise in quoting the worst possible candidates ever?
Statistically Les Reed's ill fated reign at Charlton surely qualifies him as our next manager?
Other candidates include:
1. Eddie the Eagle?
2. The bloke whop does the London marathon each year in then old fashioned full divers equipment?
3. That African guy who got a 'by' to swim in the Olympics?
4. My horse each year (that I back) in the Grand National?
5. Davos leader of the Daleks?
6. Steve MCLaren?
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We could do worse than Neil Warnock. Upsetter of apple carts..
An horrible idea. We'd definately spend 5 years in the championship with him.
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What about Chris Hughton? Decent record for promoting teams and a member of the Socialis Workers Party.
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What about Chris Hughton? Decent record for promoting teams and a member of the Socialis Workers Party.
Agree. He struggled at Norwich a bit but he seems to have done well everywhere else he's been.
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What about Chris Hughton? Decent record for promoting teams and a member of the Socialis Workers Party.
Actually was the Workers' Revolutionary Party. He wrote a column for their daily newspaper Newsline for a while, although says he was never a member. As a manager we could probably do worse.
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Conspiracy theory alert:
Does anyone think the appointment of Brian Little to the board of directors is all geared up for him to replace Remi Garde as caretaker manager when relegation finally happens? He who walks on water then appoints John Gregory as assistant and we piss the Championship without losing a game?
Nurse!
Utv
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Statistically Les Reed's ill fated reign at Charlton surely qualifies him as our next manager?
Isn't he a bit busy being the main reason Southampton have done as well as they have for the last five years or so?
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Warbuton or Karanka for me. Karanka looks like he is on his way at Boro.
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Warbuton or Karanka for me. Karanka looks like he is on his way at Boro.
I'd say Karanka should be considered at least. He's done a great job at Boro. Yes he may have a bit of a temper, but then some of ours players really do need a kick up the backside. I don't think either Sherwood or Garde was truly able to give them that. Think we could do far worse.
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Warbuton or Karanka for me. Karanka looks like he is on his way at Boro.
If Karanka's fallen out with a dressing room near the top of the table, you can only imagine how quickly he'd be in and out of the revolving door at our place.
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Warbuton or Karanka for me. Karanka looks like he is on his way at Boro.
If Karanka's fallen out with a dressing room near the top of the table, you can only imagine how quickly he'd be in and out of the revolving door at our place.
If there are problem players disrupting the dressing room, then you would hope the club is looking to drum them out asap.
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I think dl9's Davos the Dalek idea has got legs.
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I can think of the first four he should exterminate.
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It's Davros. Davos is the geordie onion lord from Game of Thrones.
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I think dl9's Davos the Dalek idea has got legs.
This is both disgraceful and funny. You are a very naughty boy!!
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
Yes, God forbid a manager offer players an opportunity to prove him wrong after offering some constructive criticism.
just dont do it openly, its not that difficult a concept to grasp
we are getting worse not better under him
did anyone want mcneill to stay?
Is there some fucking law nobody has told me about which means you can't?
Because otherwise it's one of those bollocks football cliches that people blindly follow.
Telling us everything is rosy whilst serving up utter drivel worked well for the last boss, didn't it?
anyone can see that everything is shit you only have to look at the table
garde calling players out with no backup plan was naive in the extreme and backfired
i watched a villa side stop trying against liverpool which cannot be defended.
he has made a shit team shitter, if you want to give reasons to the contary be my guest
2 wins in half a season
no further questions your honour
You see, you've just repeated the same tired cliche without explaining a thing.
Garde 'called out' as you say, those fuckwits after we got stuffed by Liverpool, which was the very least they deserved for their pathetic display and lack of effort.
I'm absolutely not having this bollocks about criticising them, it's claptrap. Fergie may have been against it but his players worked for him, they'd earned it.
not explaining a thing?
ive explained how garde publically called out the players then picked them all again the next week which acheived the square route of fuck all
ive explained that he cannot motivate them, has zero motivatial skills, is tactically inept, has won 2 games in half a season and is on paper a worse mananger than billy mcneill
and im the one who is deluded?
how many more facts do you want to ignore?
garde is not the man to take us forward in any shape or form
Surely we are all on board with this thinking?
No.
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Warbuton or Karanka for me. Karanka looks like he is on his way at Boro.
If Karanka's fallen out with a dressing room near the top of the table, you can only imagine how quickly he'd be in and out of the revolving door at our place.
If there are problem players disrupting the dressing room, then you would hope the club is looking to drum them out asap.
You'd hope that. But most of them are on long-term contracts. They're going to be difficult to shift.
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What about Chris Hughton? Decent record for promoting teams and a member of the Socialis Workers Party.
Another one in the Hughton camp.He sorted out two absolute basket cases in the dogshite and the biffa bacons,both of whom had been relegated in head scratching situations and left both of them in supremely improved positions.He also seems to have done the same with Brighton.Indeed,I fancy them to sneak the direct spot on the blindside..so that maybe will be the flaw in my logic.
For myself,there seems to be a steely logic to him.I agree,his football is primarily functional but I think we need to move on from believing someone is going to do a Wenger and build a legacy.At present,we need to build the blocks and foundations that enable us to have a guided plan that will give the footballing structure and the targeted purchases the opportunity to grow.Southampton were mentioned earlier,they had Pardew and Adkins on their climb,and were ruthless in getting Pochetino and Koeman in when the chance came.
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If Hughton is so good, why does he keep getting fired?
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If Hughton is so good, why does he keep getting fired?
He's good at getting clubs out of the second division but not great at kicking in in the prem. Although he was sacked by Newcastle for finishing 12th in the premier league I think.
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So we'd get out of the Championship and then we'd have to fire him for being in the bottom 3 all over again?
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So we'd get out of the Championship and then we'd have to fire him for being in the bottom 3 all over again?
No, sack him if we don't progress. It's quite simple.
No point worrying about how we'll do in the Premier League when we're in the league below
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So we'd get out of the Championship and then we'd have to fire him for being in the bottom 3 all over again?
No, sack him if we don't progress.
No point worrying about how we'll do in the Premier League when we're in the league below
What indication is there that we'd progress when he keeps getting fired for not being very good? If rather we took the approach of finding a manager if Garde leaves that not only gets us out of the division but actually is competent at that level. It's the same as the Steve Bruce argument. We'd be back to square one, in the PL circling the drain to inevitable relegation. And this constant hiring and firing has to stop. It's not exactly financially prudent.
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There's no indication, It's football not science. There's no such thing as long term planning where managers are concerned. They do a job immediately or they're on their way. That's how it works. Who' would your suggestion be and what indicators do you have that he would be a success?
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You're right it's not a science. And what neither of us know is how the change in structure at the club will impact the current manager. I'm just not a big advocate of dropping in lower level experts because that's what they seem to excel at and then firing them when inevitably they come up short at a level they have previously come up short. Personally I would rather reach for a manager who has succeeded at PL level to not only get us up but has enough ability to steer us appropriately once we do. That or simply provide Garde with the required resources because he has an understanding of the club now and critically of the problems.
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Before you all write Garde off (although the 2 chaps arguing either side have had a great debate and both have made good points) I think people should remember one thing - he hasn't been able to sign one single player. Not one. Take that in for a second before comparing him to TS who, as well as being able to bring in some players he wanted also had a whole preseason with this squad. That is a massive difference, not in terms of quality or atributes but in terms of getting a squad to play for you and leave everything on the pitch. There is not one in that dressing room Garde can go to and say "I fought long and hard to get you here because I believe in you, now fight for me". There is not one person in that squad who can speak up against the discerners. When a couple of old pros on decent contracts are telling the younger players "f### this guy, he's rubbish, don't know what he's on about. Don't worry he will be gone by the summer" Garde has nobody in that room saying otherwise. My point is beautifully illustrated by the fact we currently have Richards as captain. Says it all really....
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I'd rather just keep Garde.
Just a question, but what has Garde done so far to show that he is going to get us back up? I like him, but I don't think he is the right man.
I think we have a terrible squad that has been getting worse for years. We've also hired several new managers in the last few years and have declined with each appointment. Garde is the first to actually call out some of our parasitic players. I don't know if he's the right man, but I don't know if he's the wrong man either. I don't think anyone could do anything with this squad.
yes he does call them out but then still picks them and we get tonked because they arent trying!
pure genius
Yes, God forbid a manager offer players an opportunity to prove him wrong after offering some constructive criticism.
just dont do it openly, its not that difficult a concept to grasp
we are getting worse not better under him
did anyone want mcneill to stay?
Is there some fucking law nobody has told me about which means you can't?
Because otherwise it's one of those bollocks football cliches that people blindly follow.
Telling us everything is rosy whilst serving up utter drivel worked well for the last boss, didn't it?
anyone can see that everything is shit you only have to look at the table
garde calling players out with no backup plan was naive in the extreme and backfired
i watched a villa side stop trying against liverpool which cannot be defended.
he has made a shit team shitter, if you want to give reasons to the contary be my guest
2 wins in half a season
no further questions your honour
You see, you've just repeated the same tired cliche without explaining a thing.
Garde 'called out' as you say, those fuckwits after we got stuffed by Liverpool, which was the very least they deserved for their pathetic display and lack of effort.
I'm absolutely not having this bollocks about criticising them, it's claptrap. Fergie may have been against it but his players worked for him, they'd earned it.
not explaining a thing?
ive explained how garde publically called out the players then picked them all again the next week which acheived the square route of fuck all
ive explained that he cannot motivate them, has zero motivatial skills, is tactically inept, has won 2 games in half a season and is on paper a worse mananger than billy mcneill
and im the one who is deluded?
how many more facts do you want to ignore?
garde is not the man to take us forward in any shape or form
Facts and opinions are two different things, much like statements and questions.
Calling them out made no difference true, but it's hardly made things worse given their level of performance in the game prior,and neither has coaching them, being nice to them, trying them in different positions, or tickling their arses with duck feathers as far as I'm aware.
Because they are fucking shit players.
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The eye bleeding quotathon has to stop!!
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The eye bleeding quotathon has to stop!!
I know, I ballsed it but I'm on the bloody IPhone and it's hard work
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Statistically Les Reed's ill fated reign at Charlton surely qualifies him as our next manager?
Isn't he a bit busy being the main reason Southampton have done as well as they have for the last five years or so?
Dunno, but wait till he comes to us and he'll soon find his Charlton feet again...
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Before you all write Garde off (although the 2 chaps arguing either side have had a great debate and both have made good points) I think people should remember one thing - he hasn't been able to sign one single player. Not one. Take that in for a second before comparing him to TS who, as well as being able to bring in some players he wanted also had a whole preseason with this squad. That is a massive difference, not in terms of quality or atributes but in terms of getting a squad to play for you and leave everything on the pitch. There is not one in that dressing room Garde can go to and say "I fought long and hard to get you here because I believe in you, now fight for me". There is not one person in that squad who can speak up against the discerners. When a couple of old pros on decent contracts are telling the younger players "f### this guy, he's rubbish, don't know what he's on about. Don't worry he will be gone by the summer" Garde has nobody in that room saying otherwise. My point is beautifully illustrated by the fact we currently have Richards as captain. Says it all really....
I'm playing devil's advocate here Matt. Garde can strip Richards of the captaincy if he feels he's being undermined. Yet, he hasn't. He can stop playing the likes of Bacuna, Gabby and Richards if he feels he's being undermined, play the kids, the fans will forgive this, particularly as Garde has already come out and said that the players aren't good enough etc. You are correct in that he hasn't been able to bring in any of his own players. What chance does he now have of getting them in when we drop to the Championship? Are we going to get ore excuses because of this? I am not against either you or Remi Garde, part of me feels that there has been too much change too quickly, part of me feels that Garde should be given a chance. However, Garde really needs to start making positive changes, he hasn't thus far.
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Just saw the pre match preview on Sky, they ask Garde if Villa have made any progress since he took over following the first match he saw at white hart lane. To be fair to him he didn't try and bullshit his way out of it, he just exhaled and looked skywards as if to say "how can I possibly justify the fact that we are currently the worst team in the universe ever even the Uranus Blind ladies Eleven have a better points tally than this shower of shite".
Then Davos and Davros stepped in and everyone had a party.
These pills are good btw.
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even Davros can't polish a Turdis
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I agree with the sentiment that we need someone to rebuild us long term which is why a younger manager with a decent amout of experience would be a good middle ground option. But at the same time beggers can't be chosers. We may have to face the fact that it may take a bit of getting out of the Championship, and just focus on that hurdle first. I think Houghton could be a good choice actually, like someone said he did a good job with Newcastle in the PL as well as getting them out of the Championship.
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I think Houghton could be a good choice actually, like someone said he did a good job with Newcastle in the PL as well as getting them out of the Championship.
Ray? Eric?
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I think Houghton could be a good choice actually, like someone said he did a good job with Newcastle in the PL as well as getting them out of the Championship.
Ray? Eric?
Well lets face it they'd both be better than what we've got!
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Before you all write Garde off (although the 2 chaps arguing either side have had a great debate and both have made good points) I think people should remember one thing - he hasn't been able to sign one single player. Not one. Take that in for a second before comparing him to TS who, as well as being able to bring in some players he wanted also had a whole preseason with this squad.
True but TS did give us a new manager bounce with no new signings last season.
I am not a "Garde out" guy because I like his sanity and feel he has been screwed. But I cant escape the truth of the matter.
Garde has demonstrably done even worse than Sherwood at this club in terms of results and performances. I mean, its not even close is it?
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Last season TS had Delph, Cleverly and Benteke to work with what has Gard got that is anywhere near that quality?
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Cleverly was mostly very ordinary
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There's no indication, It's football not science. There's no such thing as long term planning where managers are concerned. They do a job immediately or they're on their way. That's how it works. Who' would your suggestion be and what indicators do you have that he would be a success?
The perfect argument for why we are so fucked. But lets just keep doing it because "thats how it works". Mental logic if ever I heard it
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Last season TS had Delph, Cleverly and Benteke to work with what has Gard got that is anywhere near that quality?
Grealish for one. Another player like Cleverly (and to a lesser extent Delph) who TS got playing at a very high level compared to Lambert.
There was a time a few games after Sherwood joined us when we were all looking at some of these players thinking they were actually pretty damn good.
I just dont beleive all of these players are garbage compared to Delph & Cleverly. I think the manager has a lot to do with performances. TS did that last season and failed utterly this season. Garde hasnt even got a bounce out of any of them as far as I can see. Thats pretty poor.
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There's no indication, It's football not science. There's no such thing as long term planning where managers are concerned. They do a job immediately or they're on their way. That's how it works. Who' would your suggestion be and what indicators do you have that he would be a success?
The perfect argument for why we are so fucked. But lets just keep doing it because "thats how it works". Mental logic if ever I heard it
So, applying your logic, and planning long term and not chopping and changing managers, we shouldn't have sacked Sherwood? And you think my logic is Yampy?
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Grealish - give me a break. Out of his depth without any solidity around him.
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There's no indication, It's football not science. There's no such thing as long term planning where managers are concerned. They do a job immediately or they're on their way. That's how it works. Who' would your suggestion be and what indicators do you have that he would be a success?
The perfect argument for why we are so fucked. But lets just keep doing it because "thats how it works". Mental logic if ever I heard it
So, applying your logic, and planning long term and not chopping and changing managers, we shouldn't have sacked Sherwood? And you think my logic is Yampy?
Using my logic, Sherwood would never have been appointed.
I'll watch closely to see how fast you turn on the next saviour
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There's no indication, It's football not science. There's no such thing as long term planning where managers are concerned. They do a job immediately or they're on their way. That's how it works. Who' would your suggestion be and what indicators do you have that he would be a success?
The perfect argument for why we are so fucked. But lets just keep doing it because "thats how it works". Mental logic if ever I heard it
So, applying your logic, and planning long term and not chopping and changing managers, we shouldn't have sacked Sherwood? And you think my logic is Yampy?
Using my logic, Sherwood would never have been appointed.
....and presumably Lambert wouldn't have been fired?
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There's no indication, It's football not science. There's no such thing as long term planning where managers are concerned. They do a job immediately or they're on their way. That's how it works. Who' would your suggestion be and what indicators do you have that he would be a success?
The perfect argument for why we are so fucked. But lets just keep doing it because "thats how it works". Mental logic if ever I heard it
So, applying your logic, and planning long term and not chopping and changing managers, we shouldn't have sacked Sherwood? And you think my logic is Yampy?
Using my logic, Sherwood would never have been appointed.
I'll watch closely to see how fast you turn on the next saviour
Easy, I'd sack any plank who turns around 2 wins in half a season.
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There's no indication, It's football not science. There's no such thing as long term planning where managers are concerned. They do a job immediately or they're on their way. That's how it works. Who' would your suggestion be and what indicators do you have that he would be a success?
The perfect argument for why we are so fucked. But lets just keep doing it because "thats how it works". Mental logic if ever I heard it
So, applying your logic, and planning long term and not chopping and changing managers, we shouldn't have sacked Sherwood? And you think my logic is Yampy?
Using my logic, Sherwood would never have been appointed.
I'll watch closely to see how fast you turn on the next saviour
Easy, I'd sack any plank who turns around 2 wins in half a season.
You keep making my argument for me - I do appreciate that :)
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If Garde does leave I'd rather go with somebody like Gary Neville than go the Pearson, Bruce route. He may be out of his depth in Spain and will likely get sacked by the end of the season but I think he's better than he's shown. The only clause I'd insist on is he doesn't bring his toothy, smirking, twat of a brother with him.
I also think he'd jump at the chance to manage us, even in the Championship.
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I reckon there's a few planks in the dressing room that need fucking off before we start looking at different managers.
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The disease has spread to every corner of the club, and next it will be the fans.
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It became obvious to me in one of those 4am Villa nightmares that Brian Little has been brought back as insurance to babysit the first team when Remi walks - he just like the rest of us has given up and must be close to saying fuck it im off. Fully expect it to happen this week and gives us a chance to get the right man in before the summer.
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Cleverly was mostly very ordinary
Cleverly came good at the right time and weighed in with some very important goals, Everton and West Ham where we got 6 points to take us to safety. I was disappointed that he chose Everton in the end.
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Cleverley was better than Veretout.
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He'd look like Messi in this side.
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John Fashanu would look like Messi in this side.
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It became obvious to me in one of those 4am Villa nightmares that Brian Little has been brought back as insurance to babysit the first team when Remi walks - he just like the rest of us has given up and must be close to saying fuck it im off. Fully expect it to happen this week and gives us a chance to get the right man in before the summer.
No he hasn't. He's been convinced to join in exactly the capacity being described. Take some warm milk before bed and you'll stop thinking those things.
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Grealish will be a good player if his heads on right but he had three of four good games then the opposition started paying him more attention and he became jaded, and that was under TS,he also had Benteke leading the line.
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The answer is to appoint a suitable candidate at the time and that would mean doing due diligence on the man given the job, but prior to this week we had no one within the club who was capable of that, list of 1 Fox for Sherwood.
But the reality for a manager is, results based criteria, you need to be able to improve the team as you are collecting points, establish a style of play that suits the assets at your disposal, yes (wink wink) we will get you some bodies in, in January.
Getting rid of one manager maybe costs the club 2 or 3 million, how much to write of the contracts of the following
Gabby, Hutton, Westwood, Richards, Guzan,Gestede, Sinclair, Clark, Cisoko, a dam sight more than 3 million, and that was a 27 million loss announced last week, not a 50 million profit.
May be wrong but that is 21st Century Premier League football.
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If Randy wants to get back to the big money his only chance will be to emit a deep sigh and pay David Moyes whatever he wants to come and sort us out and put together a winning squad. That is assuming he doesn't sell up and I'm beginning to question whether he really wants to.
You have to speculate to accumulate Randy!
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If Randy wants to get back to the big money his only chance will be to emit a deep sigh and pay David Moyes whatever he wants to come and sort us out and put together a winning squad. That is assuming he doesn't sell up and I'm beginning to question whether he really wants to.
You have to speculate to accumulate Randy!
In fairness, he's put an awful lot of money in. It's just been spent unwisely.
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I think that comparisons with TS and the "new manager bounce" are unfair to RG. Since that bounce we have sold our only decent players and replaced them with absolute rubbish or/and embarrassments to the Club. IMO nobody will get a bounce from this squad and unless a complete change of direction at the top happens, that will continue.
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If Randy wants to get back to the big money his only chance will be to emit a deep sigh and pay David Moyes whatever he wants to come and sort us out and put together a winning squad. That is assuming he doesn't sell up and I'm beginning to question whether he really wants to.
You have to speculate to accumulate Randy!
And Moyes is the right choice because ?????
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I think that comparisons with TS and the "new manager bounce" are unfair to RG. Since that bounce we have sold our only decent players and replaced them with absolute rubbish or/and embarrassments to the Club. IMO nobody will get a bounce from this squad and unless a complete change of direction at the top happens, that will continue.
Sanity amongst hysteria.
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If Randy wants to get back to the big money his only chance will be to emit a deep sigh and pay David Moyes whatever he wants to come and sort us out and put together a winning squad. That is assuming he doesn't sell up and I'm beginning to question whether he really wants to.
You have to speculate to accumulate Randy!
And Moyes is the right choice because ?????
He has been successful in three different divisions on a low budget.
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I'd be happy with Moyes at this moment - he's been around the English game for a long time now - and my problem with all the appointments since MON/Houlier has been that we need someone who isn't gaining his experience in the big time at Villa's expense.
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Now that Moyes has managed Man U does he really want to go back to mucking it in the Championship? He sees himself as a PL manager. That's where he will manage again.
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Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship? The context will be completely different and he might turn out to be good, but we won't know if we don't give him a proper chance. Let's see what players he wants to replace our current shitbags with.
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Remi Garde.
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Remi Garde.
Is the correct answer. Until he has a chance to a) work with the board to create a cohesive plan, b) bring in a few players of his choosing, c) have a full off season to plan and prepare, and d) jettison those players not interested, it's a futile argument to judge his ability or otherwise.
I'm neither a fan nor a critic of his, but I am a fan and always will be of giving people (in football or life) a fair chance to show what they can do. And if they display class while doing so, the greater it is.
He simply has not been given that chance. Period. To compare him to our previous two managers, both of whom did have such chances, is ludicrous
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Lennons on sale again.
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is that a misquote Ron from Life on Mars ?
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is that a misquote Ron from Life on Mars ?
It certainly is MU
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I think with Amstrad becoming obsolete, having apparently clashed continually with Garde over signings in Jan, today COULD be seen a vote of confidence in Garde by the new men in charge, and a willingness to give him more of a say.
Interesting that they will be appointing a new sporting director. Like Soccer HQ said, the guy from Albion and England would be good. Interesting if that appointment is made with Garde in consultation.
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we don't need to pander to the media or people like Pat Murphy but presenting a friendlier face can work in our favour in how we are reported and perceived. Why make enemies where you don't have to?
Ain't that the truth. I have repeatedly beaten Fox about it. Will Hollis change it?
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we don't need to pander to the media or people like Pat Murphy but presenting a friendlier face can work in our favour in how we are reported and perceived. Why make enemies where you don't have to?
Ain't that the truth. I have repeatedly beaten Fox about it. Will Hollis change it?
Is this why they have appointed Brian Little?
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Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship? The context will be completely different and he might turn out to be good, but we won't know if we don't give him a proper chance. Let's see what players he wants to replace our current shitbags with.
Isn't it just assumed he's going to walk as soon as the season is over? It's looked to me the last few weeks that he's just playing out time here now like the players, understandble given the ridiculous way the club refused to sign anyone he wanted in the window.
Certainly if it's a choice between a long hard slog in the championship and a nice cushy job back home at Marseille or Bordeaux I think I know which one he'll take.
The championship is an odd odd league. Played in the same amount of time as the premier league but 8 extra games to cram in so it's constant Saturday- Tuesday so less recovery which breeds inconsistancy and so you get bonkers results like Charlton 2-0 Boro and Derby being 3-0 up at a Rotherham side in the bottom 3 with 10 minutes left and still not winning the game.
In 2014 Fulham and Cardiff were both relegated from the premier league. One had Felix Mgarth, twice Bundesliga winner and the other had Solsjkaer who could've easily been our manager. Neither lasted until October. Mgarth got it completely wrong aswell, just though playing a bunch of kids, Scott Parker and McCormack was enough to get out of the league, think Fulham lost 7 of their first 8.
Even better examples like Karanka can't seem to get Boro over the line and yes Jokanovic did well at Watford but it's a bit Pearson esque as he's doing very poorly at Fulham now who are a very similar basket case club to us in how they're run by that Khan guy.
It's going to be a long struggle ahead I fear, I would prefer someone who's been in the championship trenches and will know what to expect.
Nigel Pearson is a fruitcake but in three season with Leicester in the championship he finished in the top 6 every single time. I'm afraid if Garde walks and he's available he will have to be considered.
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Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship? The context will be completely different and he might turn out to be good, but we won't know if we don't give him a proper chance. Let's see what players he wants to replace our current shitbags with.
Even better examples like Karanka can't seem to get Boro over the line and yes Jokanovic did well at Watford but it's a bit Pearson esque as he's doing very poorly at Fulham now who are a very similar basket case club to us in how they're run by that Khan guy.
Nigel Pearson is a fruitcake but in three season with Leicester in the championship he finished in the top 6 every single time. I'm afraid if Garde walks and he's available he will have to be considered.
Isn't that a bit inconsistent? Karanka dismissed because he couldn't get Boro over the line in two and a half seasons (and he may well still do it this year), but Pearson should be considered after taking three seasons to get Leicester (four if you include his season at Hull) over the line?
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Also he didn't finish in the top six every time as far as I can see?
9-10 - 5th (lost in playoffs)
10-11 - 11th (Hull)
11-12 - 9th
12-13 - 5th (lost in playoffs)
13-14 - Champions
14-15 - Narrowly avoided relegation from Premier
I don't see what makes him a 'must consider' there.
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Unless he undergoes a full frontal lobotomy, I don't think Moyes will be throwing himself at us anytime soon.
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Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship? The context will be completely different and he might turn out to be good, but we won't know if we don't give him a proper chance. Let's see what players he wants to replace our current shitbags with.
Even better examples like Karanka can't seem to get Boro over the line and yes Jokanovic did well at Watford but it's a bit Pearson esque as he's doing very poorly at Fulham now who are a very similar basket case club to us in how they're run by that Khan guy.
Nigel Pearson is a fruitcake but in three season with Leicester in the championship he finished in the top 6 every single time. I'm afraid if Garde walks and he's available he will have to be considered.
Isn't that a bit inconsistent? Karanka dismissed because he couldn't get Boro over the line in two and a half seasons (and he may well still do it this year), but Pearson should be considered after taking three seasons to get Leicester (four if you include his season at Hull) over the line?
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Also he didn't finish in the top six every time as far as I can see?
9-10 - 5th (lost in playoffs)
10-11 - 11th (Hull)
11-12 - 9th
12-13 - 5th (lost in playoffs)
13-14 - Champions
14-15 - Narrowly avoided relegation from Premier
I don't see what makes him a 'must consider' there.
09-10 they'd just been promoted from league one so that was a very good achievement.
Didn't work out for him at Hull.
He didn't have a full season in 11/12, Eriksson spent a shed load on the squad and didn't achieve much.
I didn't want us to appoint Pearson in the premier league, Garde was well worth a go at that point. I'm just saying with his record he has to be given consideration for what will be a championship club very shortly.
Now his character is a very different question.
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Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship? The context will be completely different and he might turn out to be good, but we won't know if we don't give him a proper chance. Let's see what players he wants to replace our current shitbags with.
Even better examples like Karanka can't seem to get Boro over the line and yes Jokanovic did well at Watford but it's a bit Pearson esque as he's doing very poorly at Fulham now who are a very similar basket case club to us in how they're run by that Khan guy.
Nigel Pearson is a fruitcake but in three season with Leicester in the championship he finished in the top 6 every single time. I'm afraid if Garde walks and he's available he will have to be considered.
Isn't that a bit inconsistent? Karanka dismissed because he couldn't get Boro over the line in two and a half seasons (and he may well still do it this year), but Pearson should be considered after taking three seasons to get Leicester (four if you include his season at Hull) over the line?
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Also he didn't finish in the top six every time as far as I can see?
9-10 - 5th (lost in playoffs)
10-11 - 11th (Hull)
11-12 - 9th
12-13 - 5th (lost in playoffs)
13-14 - Champions
14-15 - Narrowly avoided relegation from Premier
I don't see what makes him a 'must consider' there.
09-10 they'd just been promoted from league one so that was a very good achievement.
Didn't work out for him at Hull.
He didn't have a full season in 11/12, Eriksson spent a shed load on the squad and didn't achieve much.
I didn't want us to appoint Pearson in the premier league, Garde was well worth a go at that point. I'm just saying with his record he has to be given consideration for what will be a championship club very shortly.
Sorry, I don't think you can exclude the seasons which disprove your argument because it didn't work out for him or he didn't have a full season. He didn't finish in the top 6 every year - fact. Either way, his record is having got one team promoted, once, from the Championship after years of trying.
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Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship?
Because.
a) he has no experience of that league whatsoever.
b) he has no prior evidence of identifying or building a team from the lower leagues to get promoted. In any country.
c) he has proven himself to be incapable of motivating the players we have, many of whom (the shittest ones) will STILL BE THERE whether you like it or not.
I still can't believe so many people have their fingers in their ears and their eyes clamped shut. Remi Garde came here in difficult circumstances we all accept, but he had two thirds of a season to make a difference. And fair play to him, he has, he's actually made us look worse than Tim Sherwood did.
The sooner he sulks off back to France the better. I don't blame him necessarily but the people who thought giving an inexperienced foreigner the task of dragging this lot off the foot of the table was a good idea are the real culprits in all this. They should not only hang their heads in shame, they should be paying for it with their jobs.
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Yeah, we should've picked a reliable Britisher like Leicester, Watford and West Ham did.
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nose connections aside, i am starting to consider rowett
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Yeah, we should've picked a reliable Britisher like Leicester, Watford and West Ham did.
You're missing the point.
It's not about nationalities, it's about results.
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Why can't we wait and see what Garde does in the Championship?
Because.
a) he has no experience of that league whatsoever.
b) he has no prior evidence of identifying or building a team from the lower leagues to get promoted. In any country.
c) he has proven himself to be incapable of motivating the players we have, many of whom (the shittest ones) will STILL BE THERE whether you like it or not.
I still can't believe so many people have their fingers in their ears and their eyes clamped shut. Remi Garde came here in difficult circumstances we all accept, but he had two thirds of a season to make a difference. And fair play to him, he has, he's actually made us look worse than Tim Sherwood did.
The sooner he sulks off back to France the better. I don't blame him necessarily but the people who thought giving an inexperienced foreigner the task of dragging this lot off the foot of the table was a good idea are the real culprits in all this. They should not only hang their heads in shame, they should be paying for it with their jobs.
agree totally
next season we will still have our shittest players, the few decent ones will leave and i cant see us spending much.
so whoever is manager isnt going to have much to work with, garde cant work with what he has now.
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I'm fed up of us picking managers to suit the pointless spunkbuckets we've got in our squad. It's about time it was the other way around again.
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Now that Moyes has managed Man U does he really want to go back to mucking it in the Championship? He sees himself as a PL manager. That's where he will manage again.
PL clubs might not see him as a PL manager though
The only club I see changing manager this summer could be West Brom
Maybe Pardew could be in trouble if Palace continue to slide
Man Utd and Arsenal will go outside Britain for their new managers
So if Moyes wants to work in Britain, the Villa job will be the biggest one out there this summer
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So if Moyes wants to work in Britain, the Villa job will be the biggest one out there this summer
I reckon he'll end up at Celtic
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So if Moyes wants to work in Britain, the Villa job will be the biggest one out there this summer
I reckon he'll end up at Celtic
If we have any chance of getting him, then I think that we should.
Garde's obviously been dealt a difficult hand and I'm tempted to give him the chance to prove himself, but if Moyes is available and wants to come, then I would take him.
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Moyes will sit tight and wait for the first PL casualty next season - possibly even the Albion if Pulis chucks it. As big as we are, and as much as it pains me to say it, we are a backward step right now.
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the Newcastle gig might also be available ; the fat controller won't be there if they go down
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Until we know the direction the club are going to take regarding the players, it is almost pointless to talk about managers (other than a general discussion).
If there is no money available, that dictates a certain group of managers. If there is some money available, that will dictate another group of managers. If there is a lot of money available, that's another group. If we have to rely to a great extent on young players, that can mean another type of manager.
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Good to know. Even if we are in the basket case category, there's still a pool of people to pick from.
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Sean Dyche is doing a great job with Burnley. Have to say that at the moment I quite fancy him coming in.
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Sean Dyche is doing a great job with Burnley. Have to say that at the moment I quite fancy him coming in.
I couldn't listen to that voice every week. Chris Hughton would still be my first choice or Karanka at Middlesborough if he leaves there.
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It became obvious to me in one of those 4am Villa nightmares that Brian Little has been brought back as insurance to babysit the first team when Remi walks - he just like the rest of us has given up and must be close to saying fuck it im off. Fully expect it to happen this week and gives us a chance to get the right man in before the summer.
Not a chance of Brian taking over as manager again either short or long term.
I doubt he'd want to work with this bunch of players anyway.
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Garde can't get a reaction out of this lot. It's obvious that there's a divided dressing room. Sherwood may as well have stayed - he could at least fire players up. Steve Bruce would be my choice.
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Steve Bruce? We might be shite but it isn't that bad.
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Steve Bruce has a better chance of finding some clothes in his wardrobe that fit him than getting the Villa job.
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Steve Bruce can't get into his wardrobe
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Steve Bruce has a better chance of finding some clothes in his wardrobe that fit him than getting the Villa job.
About the same chance another ex Blues manager had of getting the Villa job in 2011.
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It became obvious to me in one of those 4am Villa nightmares that Brian Little has been brought back as insurance to babysit the first team when Remi walks - he just like the rest of us has given up and must be close to saying fuck it im off. Fully expect it to happen this week and gives us a chance to get the right man in before the summer.
Not a chance of Brian taking over as manager again either short or long term.
I doubt he'd want to work with this bunch of players anyway.
Is he still manager of Jersey as well?
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It became obvious to me in one of those 4am Villa nightmares that Brian Little has been brought back as insurance to babysit the first team when Remi walks - he just like the rest of us has given up and must be close to saying fuck it im off. Fully expect it to happen this week and gives us a chance to get the right man in before the summer.
Not a chance of Brian taking over as manager again either short or long term.
I doubt he'd want to work with this bunch of tossers anyway.
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Sherwood may as well have stayed - he could at least fire players up.
Could he? He certainly didn't in any game this season prior to his sacking. What makes you think that would have changed?
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Sherwood may as well have stayed - he could at least fire players up.
Could he? He certainly didn't in any game this season prior to his sacking. What makes you think that would have changed?
Precisely. This is the sort of convenient crap talk more common in these threads these days. Tim Sherwood was a disaster for the club, period. To make the claim he could do something he patently failed to do is nonsense.
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I'd take half of the managers in the championship now over Remi Garde
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at least Tiny Tim didn't get us relegated
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Sherwood may as well have stayed - he could at least fire players up.
Could he? He certainly didn't in any game this season prior to his sacking. What makes you think that would have changed?
He did for a short period last season, but it was clear whatever he did stopped working at half time in the West Ham game and he couldn't get it back.
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Sherwood may as well have stayed - he could at least fire players up.
Could he? He certainly didn't in any game this season prior to his sacking. What makes you think that would have changed?
Precisely. This is the sort of convenient crap talk more common in these threads these days. Tim Sherwood was a disaster for the club, period. To make the claim he could do something he patently failed to do is nonsense.
12 games and 4 points wasn't it? If we had only taken a point a match we would still be in with a chance
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at least Tiny Tim didn't get us relegated
He was well on his way to getting us relegated. In fact I'd argue that had last season extended one more game we'd be having this discussion as supporters of a Championship team one year sooner.
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Sherwood may as well have stayed - he could at least fire players up.
You are Paul Merson and I claim my £5.00.
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The only way to fire up this useless bunch of cockspangles is with a gallon of unleaded and a Zippo.
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at least Tiny Tim didn't get us relegated
Yeah, we were doing just fine when he was sacked.
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Ranieri?
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Ranieri?
You think he's going to give up CL football for a stint in the Championship?
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at least Tiny Tim didn't get us relegated
He just presided over a $50m spending spree, delivered the worst start to a league campaign in our history, and engineered a split dressing room which has fucked us all season.
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The only way to fire up this useless bunch of cockspangles is with a gallon of unleaded and a Zippo.
A laugh-out-loud moment - thanks, Sam!
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Crikey did Tim spend all of our 50 mill on players he wanted then
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Crikey did Tim spend all of our 50 mill on players he wanted then
If you listened to what he said at the time he gave the impression he was content with all of the players we bought. Off course as soon it started going shit shaped he very quickly divorced himself from those statements and claimed he wasn't involved at all.
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Which is pretty much what any other manager would of done
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Which is pretty much what any other manager would of done
Would they? To do a complete 180 and blame everyone and everything else for their own failure?
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Any player can look good on a video or with his stats in front of you so yea even I would of said they look good before a ball has been kicked and I'm happy with them
But honestly if Reilly or almstadt chose them you would cover there asses and say " all down to me Guvna"
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Dwight Yorke is on TS saying he'd still love to be Villa Manager. Thanks Dwight but we'll pass.
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Dwight Yorke is on TS saying he'd still love to be Villa Manager. Thanks Dwight but we'll pass.
Touting for a job which isn't even available? Classy Dwight.
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Dwight Yorke is on TS saying he'd still love to be Villa Manager. Thanks Dwight but we'll pass.
Touting for a job which isn't even available? Classy Dwight.
Yeh to a point. He was asked by Adrian Durham about his interest before and he talked about his meeting with Fox. And when asked if would still want it he said yes and that he still has a strong connection to the club. He's just not remotely qualified.
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Yes Dwight you've shown a real strong desire to get involved in coaching. No thanks.
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Garde can't get a reaction out of this lot. It's obvious that there's a divided dressing room. Sherwood may as well have stayed - he could at least fire players up. Steve Bruce would be my choice.
I'd have Bruce as well. Totally different proposition to Mcleish, which was the worst managerial appointment in Villa's recent history, even worse than Garde.
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Crikey did Tim spend all of our 50 mill on players he wanted then
He said he was happy. But either way - let's be clear - that's 50 mill more than Garde was given, a fact those who consistently compare the two conveniently forget
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He went along with it because he didn't really know what he was doing, and when it went tits up he tried to shift any blame.
Lots of people do it every day in the average workplace, but when you're paid in millions in a high profile position it's not a good look.
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Given the results since, we may as well have stuck with Sherwood. For his faults, he - unlike this idiot - at least wore his heart on his sleeve and gave the impression he wanted to do well with us.
No doubt he'll get another gig somewhere and I wish him well.
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Given the results since, we may as well have stuck with Sherwood. For his faults, he - unlike this idiot - at least wore his heart on his sleeve and gave the impression he wanted to do well with us.
No doubt he'll get another gig somewhere and I wish him well.
Stuck record.
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Given the results since, we may as well have stuck with Sherwood. For his faults, he - unlike this idiot - at least wore his heart on his sleeve and gave the impression he wanted to do well with us.
No doubt he'll get another gig somewhere and I wish him well.
Awww... bless.
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Given the results since, we may as well have stuck with Sherwood. For his faults, he - unlike this idiot - at least wore his heart on his sleeve and gave the impression he wanted to do well with us.
I'd wear my heart on my sleeve and want to do well for the club.
I'd be fucking rubbish but if they are the requirements.
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I'd give Karl Robinson or Gareth Ainsworth a go. Decent young footballing managers. Phil Parkinson of Bradford David flitcroft bury and Michael Appleton Oxford could also be considered as British managers who would be honoured to take on villa. Yes Bruce makes sense in media but I think Robinson mk dons 5 years or Ainsworth 3 years both loyal managers as is Parkinson can see what they can achieve. Ideally I prefer a villa connected manager but taking a young ambition progressive manager is a great choice.And a manager who isn't a coach number two from a big club looking for the experience ! I'd rather a lower league manager who has managed a club over a number 2 who stepping up. Actually I think Gark monk has to be the man just come to mind I'd like him uwe roslwe is another.
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Breathe footy. Excellent points, just space them for easier absorption. Glad to see you back.
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How en Garde can take any blame for some of the first team 'player' attitude toward Aston Villa he's inherited is unfair to him, he knows what he's doing
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Garde can't get a reaction out of this lot. It's obvious that there's a divided dressing room. Sherwood may as well have stayed - he could at least fire players up. Steve Bruce would be my choice.
I'd have Bruce as well. Totally different proposition to Mcleish, which was the worst managerial appointment in Villa's recent history, even worse than Garde.
Would he want to come though? he was given massive stick by our lot. (Potato head springs to mind)
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It pains me to say it, but I'd take Bruce as well.
He knows what it takes to get out of the Championship.
Bloody hell, a little bit of sick just came up.
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How en Garde can take any blame for some of the first team 'player' attitude toward Aston Villa he's inherited is unfair to him, he knows what he's doing
knows what he is doing?
2 wins in 19 and a horrific goal difference
bugger me id hate to see what results were like if he was cluless
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Given the results since, we may as well have stuck with Sherwood. For his faults, he - unlike this idiot - at least wore his heart on his sleeve and gave the impression he wanted to do well with us.
No doubt he'll get another gig somewhere and I wish him well.
Can't you go and play somewhere else?
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Garde can't get a reaction out of this lot. It's obvious that there's a divided dressing room. Sherwood may as well have stayed - he could at least fire players up. Steve Bruce would be my choice.
I'd have Bruce as well. Totally different proposition to Mcleish, which was the worst managerial appointment in Villa's recent history, even worse than Garde.
yeah i'd have old potato head as well , and mick put a shift in mcarthy , i'd have him too
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The manager will much depend on who the "head of football operations" becomes. For some reason I would not be shocked to see Garde take that role on.
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Looks like Remi will be in charge next season.
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Looks like Remi will be in charge next season.
oh god
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Oh good
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I really hope Remi gets the chance to ram all the shit he's been getting down some throats next season, but I fear it's too late for him now. Everything's broken.
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poor poor remi on his 25k a week
jesus what about us? having to put up with the dirge week in week out
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poor poor remi on his 25k a week
jesus what about us? having to put up with the dirge week in week out
I feel sorry for you.
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The manager will much depend on who the "head of football operations" becomes. For some reason I would not be shocked to see Garde take that role on.
Why on earth would he? Firstly, I don't think he'll be here in any guise, but secondly, why would he want a move "upstairs" into a role he's never done before, with people he rather obviously has lost a lot of respect for.
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I really hope Remi gets the chance to ram all the shit he's been getting down some throats next season, but I fear it's too late for him now. Everything's broken.
he has had the chance , and won 2 out of 19 games with players who have gradually got worse since he took over
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Earlier switched on the Championship game between Middlesborough and Hull. They showed the table and Burnley who are top have 74 points from 37 games. So that's 9 games to go still. Just think about it, 74 points already!
That's one hell of a points haul to get to be in the top two at this stage.
I've no idea if it's going to be Garde or someone else in charge but that puts the job we're going to have to face an even more scary proposition. 😳
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I really hope Remi gets the chance to ram all the shit he's been getting down some throats next season, but I fear it's too late for him now. Everything's broken.
he has had the chance , and won 2 out of 19 games with players who have gradually got worse since he took over
When the club gave up in January, so did the players. And being betrayed and lied to by the board will hardly motivate Monsieur Garde.
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Or look at it another way, Burnley were crap last season, lost 3 or 4 of their best players and still have 74 points already. It really is a shit standard down there.
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Or look at it another way, Burnley were crap last season, lost 3 or 4 of their best players and still have 74 points already. It really is a shit standard down there.
I'll look at your way as it gives me a bit more hope. I haven't got a lot with this bunch we've got. Hopefully somehow???? we can ship most of them out.
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Aye it's wank. Burnley had the major problem of being unable to score, sold their best forward, yet sit top.
The might of Leicester, Sunderland and Reading stuck a three figure points total on at one point.
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poor poor remi on his 25k a week
jesus what about us? having to put up with the dirge week in week out
Uh then perhaps you should direct your ire / blame to the players, most of whom are on a weekly income that dwarfs the managers. But I guess in your eyes, not their fault...
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I really hope Remi gets the chance to ram all the shit he's been getting down some throats next season, but I fear it's too late for him now. Everything's broken.
he has had the chance , and won 2 out of 19 games with players who have gradually got worse since he took over
no he hasnt had a chance at all
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I really hope Remi gets the chance to ram all the shit he's been getting down some throats next season, but I fear it's too late for him now. Everything's broken.
he has had the chance , and won 2 out of 19 games with players who have gradually got worse since he took over
no he hasnt had a chance at all
And the players haven't got worse, statistically or actually. Just as shit, yes, but not worse.
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I really hope Remi gets the chance to ram all the shit he's been getting down some throats next season, but I fear it's too late for him now. Everything's broken.
he has had the chance , and won 2 out of 19 games with players who have gradually got worse since he took over
no he hasnt had a chance at all
And the players haven't got worse, statistically or actually. Just as shit, yes, but not worse.
what about peformances and results since Remi came
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I really hope Remi gets the chance to ram all the shit he's been getting down some throats next season, but I fear it's too late for him now. Everything's broken.
he has had the chance , and won 2 out of 19 games with players who have gradually got worse since he took over
no he hasnt had a chance at all
And the players haven't got worse, statistically or actually. Just as shit, yes, but not worse.
what about peformances and results since Remi came
Just as shit, but not worse (in fact statistically more points per game than Sherwood, not that this is any achievement).
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When are people going to realise, the problems at Villa are a little more fundamental than the manager.
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Earlier switched on the Championship game between Middlesborough and Hull. They showed the table and Burnley who are top have 74 points from 37 games. So that's 9 games to go still. Just think about it, 74 points already!
What usually wins the PL? ...with 37 games under their belt they're one game away from a complete PL season.
With the disruptive influences jettisoned and limited cash to spend on replacements, I think the number of games will be our biggest problem next season. Lots of games for the youth players I suspect, and no one knows what quality they have. Mind you some loans should fill the voids.
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When are people going to realise, the problems at Villa are a little more fundamental than the manager.
In which case it's a good job they're being addressed.
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When are people going to realise, the problems at Villa are a little more fundamental than the manager.
In which case it's a good job they're being addressed.
I actually think I, er, trust this board to get it right. Never thought I'd say that again.
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You need 75 plus points to make the play offs don't you? The premier league is usually won around 85, and 74 from 37 is 2 points a game, which is about what i would expect for the top 3-4 in the Championship. Anything under that is not going to get in the top 2. Our biggest issue will be having a big enough pool of forward options.
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When are people going to realise, the problems at Villa are a little more fundamental than the manager.
They are, but that doesn't exempt the manager for our god awful performances.
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poor poor remi on his 25k a week
jesus what about us? having to put up with the dirge week in week out
Uh then perhaps you should direct your ire / blame to the players, most of whom are on a weekly income that dwarfs the managers. But I guess in your eyes, not their fault...
its remi and the players fault
how anyone can want the manager with an appalling record and who has blatantly given up and is no better than sherwood win wise is bizarre
i think it must be because in the summer a switch will be flicked then remi will miracuosly know what he is doing
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Or maybe he will get his own players in the dressing room and have the right personalities and quality to bring something out of the group.
I'd like to see him get the chance.
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Or look at it another way, Burnley were crap last season, lost 3 or 4 of their best players and still have 74 points already. It really is a shit standard down there.
They've also got a striker they paid £9m for who is almost certainly better than any player we currently have.
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I couldn't tell you whether Grey is any good or not, as I've only seen Burnley once this season and didn't know he was on the pitch. I'd have to defer to the times you've seen him for Brentford and Burnley which you base your assessment off. But if Gestede can score 20, that doesn't make him a good player, which is the point PWS is making; it's a poor quality league.
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... the manager who has blatantly given up and ... in the summer a switch will be flicked then remi will miracuosly know what he is doing
OFT:
He certainly looks like he's given up; not surprisingly really with the hand he was dealt. Perhaps he already knows that the Board will support his efforts to 'clean up' the playing staff over the summer and bring in players that will perform in a way that befits a club and its supporters like ours. Incidentally, with the cautious optimism emanating from the reserve-team set-up, perhaps our Championship side will contain some surprising additions from the home-grwon stock that we have: Garde certainly seems quite smug about them when you see him interviews being asked about them.
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Due to family reasons, I saw Brentford play quite a bit last season as I was trying to convince my two nephews to support their local team rather than the Arsenals of this world (without success, they prefer cricket anyway). Point is, I did see a lot of Gray, his first touch was atrocious and he missed plenty of chances. In fact, the consensus among the Bees faithful was that they might have gone up automatically with a decent striker, say Bamford who was impressing at Boro at the time.
Gray did work hard, I'll give him that, and it was his first season in the Champ after previously being at Luton, so it was a big step up in class for him. He got around 15 goals that year I think, which was a pretty good return given these circumstances. But I couldn't believe that he went for £9m and just assumed Brentford had done great business, which they had, but if Burnley go up as seems likely, he will have more than justified his fee, while Brentford are going backwards.
As a footnote, I also saw Gestede play for Blackburn at Griffin Park and he was absolutely bloody terrible, barely resembled a footballer really, hey ho.
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Or maybe he will get his own players in the dressing room and have the right personalities and quality to bring something out of the group.
I'd like to see him get the chance.
based on the fact that the lerner couldnt be arsed to spend a penny in jan to give us a glimmer of survival and a pot of at least 100 million next season do you honestly think he will spend this summer?
i can see amavi, okore, gana and ayew all fucking off in the summer and garde being left with even more shit to work with which wouldnt be a pretty sight
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Or maybe he will get his own players in the dressing room and have the right personalities and quality to bring something out of the group.
I'd like to see him get the chance.
based on the fact that the lerner couldnt be arsed to spend a penny in jan to give us a glimmer of survival and a pot of at least 100 million next season do you honestly think he will spend this summer?
i can see amavi, okore, gana and ayew all fucking off in the summer and garde being left with even more shit to work with which wouldnt be a pretty sight
Yes it will all be a complete disaster and nothing ever again will go well at Aston Villa. Ever
Have you not heard what the chairman has been saying on how the club is now run? The board make the decisions on spending and will operate as a football club as opposed to what one man thinks is available for spending.
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Well that's fine if the club can generate enough money itself. At the moment it can't and probably won't next year either, so to spend any money they'll have to ask Lerner for it.
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Or maybe he will get his own players in the dressing room and have the right personalities and quality to bring something out of the group.
I'd like to see him get the chance.
based on the fact that the lerner couldnt be arsed to spend a penny in jan to give us a glimmer of survival and a pot of at least 100 million next season do you honestly think he will spend this summer?
i can see amavi, okore, gana and ayew all fucking off in the summer and garde being left with even more shit to work with which wouldnt be a pretty sight
Yes it will all be a complete disaster and nothing ever again will go well at Aston Villa. Ever
Have you not heard what the chairman has been saying on how the club is now run? The board make the decisions on spending and will operate as a football club as opposed to what one man thinks is available for spending.
ah yes the board now make transfer decisions, all fine and dandy if you errr have money, sky money is what 65% of our revenue that is going to i think 65 million over 3 seasons, add a reduction in commercial revenue and sponsorship on top of a 27 million loss. funnily enough i think money may be a big issue
board: randy we need money for players
lerner: no
quite a basic flaw
and as for being positive, fair play if you want to think all will be rosy, based on the clusterfuck the club has been over the last 5 seasons i think otherwise
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Well that's fine if the club can generate enough money itself. At the moment it can't and probably won't next year either, so to spend any money they'll have to ask Lerner for it.
exacty
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Collymore has just said on SqualkSpowt that Steve Bruce is angling for the job. I bet he fucking is.
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I still think it will be Garde unless he leaves of his own accord.
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Gary Monk
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Gary Monk
No ta.
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Gary Monk
No fucking way
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Could we ask the mods for a poll please?
Lots of good (and crap) Managers out of a job this summer. They won't all get offered the job they want.
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Go on then, I'll give it another go.
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Started the poll. I am sure more will come into the frame.
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went for nutter , I dont like him but he would get us up and built a great team at Leicester to be fair to him . And Leicester fans and players still rate him .
i just want a team with pride and passion and well organised .
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went for nutter , I dont like him but he would get us up and built a great team at Leicester to be fair to him . And Leicester fans and players still rate him .
i just want a team with pride and passion and well organised .
A lot of NP's success at Leicester had a lot to do with his backroom staff also. Who are still at Leicester with claudio.
Let's not get another manager who can't get his own preferred backroom staff 😙
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Brendan Rodgers
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went for nutter , I dont like him but he would get us up and built a great team at Leicester to be fair to him . And Leicester fans and players still rate him .
i just want a team with pride and passion and well organised .
A lot of NP's success at Leicester had a lot to do with his backroom staff also. Who are still at Leicester with claudio.
Let's not get another manager who can't get his own preferred backroom staff 😙
Good point. I voted Other but I guess Steve Bruce (Defender!) would at least almost certainly get us back up without too much fuss. We'd then have to fuck him off post-haste, which doesn't sit well with me, but we've seen how his teams perform once they're promoted.
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Brendan Rodgers
I like Rodgers but he's done well at Swansea, who were run, coached and played the right way for years before he got there. He did ok at Liverpool but, again, they had good players who knew what they were doing. I don't know if he could turn our shower of turds around.
Whereas Bruce has lived amongst turds all his managerial career.
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Brendan Rodgers
We could do far worse.
If Garde does go, I really hope we don't regress to a McLeish throwback type manager in some belief that passing football can't exist in the Championship.
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Whoever it is the decision should be made now. If Garde is staying then both sides have to commit now.
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Collymore has just said on SqualkSpowt that Steve Bruce is angling for the job. I bet he fucking is.
Failure to take Hull up this season considering his squad and budget might finish him.
Whatever about Bruce the funds given to Karanka to buy a fat Stewart Downing and Jordan Rhodes, should guarantee Boro 100 points plus.
Burnley minus Ings are very average. Dyche has brought in cast offs like Lowton, Ward, Barton, Kightly and spent their budget on Gray who has burned up the division. It's a fantastic managerial performance from Dyche. But the suspicion remains like Eddie Howe that away from their club that they would struggle.
Hughton has done well with rag tag clubs. Newcastle were in an awful state when they went down and he galvanised the same rotten dressing room into a mid table top division team. Blues were bankrupt and he kept them competitive. Brighton probably the greatest transformation of all with not much money it seems. Norwich didn't quite work out but all in all he has the tools to deal with us if Brighton falter late on.
Rowett has done a great job at Blues but AVFC is decaying institution that he would be well advised to run a mile from.
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A decaying institution? Jesus.
And what is the circus in B9?
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Brendan Rodgers
I like Rodgers but he's done well at Swansea, who were run, coached and played the right way for years before he got there. He did ok at Liverpool but, again, they had good players who knew what they were doing. I don't know if he could turn our shower of turds around.
Whereas Bruce has lived amongst turds all his managerial career.
Bruce would be fine as much it galls me to think of yet another managerial appointment. He'll get us up and then we'd hit the ceiling in the PL. He's proven he has the ability up to a certain point. I think with Rodgers the ceiling would be much higher and he is young enough to use us as a way to really rebuild his career. I don't know that Moyes would want to go back down a league. Rodgers might.
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A decaying institution? Jesus.
And what is the circus in B9?
At bit melodramatic isn't it. You'd think the ground was crumbling or something. It's relegation, it's massively shit right now, but it's not like the lights are being switched off or we are riddled in debt and we are going out of business.
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Brendan Rodgers
I like Rodgers but he's done well at Swansea, who were run, coached and played the right way for years before he got there. He did ok at Liverpool but, again, they had good players who knew what they were doing. I don't know if he could turn our shower of turds around.
Whereas Bruce has lived amongst turds all his managerial career.
Bruce would be fine as much it galls me to think of yet another managerial appointment. He'll get us up and then we'd hit the ceiling in the PL. He's proven he has the ability up to a certain point. I think with Rodgers the ceiling would be much higher and he is young enough to use us as a way to really rebuild his career. I don't know that Moyes would want to go back down a league. Rodgers might.
Well Bruce getting us up is hardly a given if you look at money he has spent at Hull.
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Brendan Rodgers
I like Rodgers but he's done well at Swansea, who were run, coached and played the right way for years before he got there. He did ok at Liverpool but, again, they had good players who knew what they were doing. I don't know if he could turn our shower of turds around.
Whereas Bruce has lived amongst turds all his managerial career.
Bruce would be fine as much it galls me to think of yet another managerial appointment. He'll get us up and then we'd hit the ceiling in the PL. He's proven he has the ability up to a certain point. I think with Rodgers the ceiling would be much higher and he is young enough to use us as a way to really rebuild his career. I don't know that Moyes would want to go back down a league. Rodgers might.
Yep. I wouldn't be unhappy, certainly. Just a little wary.
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Brendan Rodgers
I like Rodgers but he's done well at Swansea, who were run, coached and played the right way for years before he got there. He did ok at Liverpool but, again, they had good players who knew what they were doing. I don't know if he could turn our shower of turds around.
Whereas Bruce has lived amongst turds all his managerial career.
Bruce would be fine as much it galls me to think of yet another managerial appointment. He'll get us up and then we'd hit the ceiling in the PL. He's proven he has the ability up to a certain point. I think with Rodgers the ceiling would be much higher and he is young enough to use us as a way to really rebuild his career. I don't know that Moyes would want to go back down a league. Rodgers might.
Well Bruce getting us up is hardly a given if you look at money he has spent at Hull.
We'd still be better off than the great majority of sides in the Championship. And it's not like the new manager whoever it is will have nothing to spend. Bruce got the noses promoted twice on next to nothing, and it's not as if he spent a fortune getting Hull promoted the first time.
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I really don't understand this thing of getting a manager who is good at getting promoted, but not much else. I'd rather we just got a good manager. Aston Villa are a very big club and if we are acting correctly we don't need to restrict ourselves to managers who get clubs up and then get them relegated again. I think we should stick with Garde, because he deserves a chance to work under a board that appears to have a plan, but if he's going we should look for better than Bruce.
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I really don't understand this thing of getting a manager who is good at getting promoted, but not much else. I'd rather we just got a good manager. Aston Villa are a very big club and if we are acting correctly we don't need to restrict ourselves to managers who get clubs up and then get them relegated again. I think we should stick with Garde, because he deserves a chance to work under a board that appears to have a plan, but if he's going we should look for better than Bruce.
That's why I'd prefer someone with a higher ceiling than someone like Bruce. You know what you'll get and that's about it. Don't complain when he hits his natural ceiling. It's no different had we appointed Pulis or Allardyce. You know they'll likely keep you up even if it is by the skin of your balls every year. And with Pulis you'll have vowed never to go again to Villa Park because of the hideous nature of the product in the process.
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I really don't understand this thing of getting a manager who is good at getting promoted, but not much else. I'd rather we just got a good manager. Aston Villa are a very big club and if we are acting correctly we don't need to restrict ourselves to managers who get clubs up and then get them relegated again. I think we should stick with Garde, because he deserves a chance to work under a board that appears to have a plan, but if he's going we should look for better than Bruce.
That's why I'd prefer someone with a higher ceiling than someone like Bruce. You know what you'll get and that's about it. Don't complain when he hits his natural ceiling. It's no different had we appointed Pulis or Allardyce. You know they'll likely keep you up even if it is by the skin of your balls every year. And with Pulis you'll have vowed never to go again to Villa Park because of the hideous nature of the product in the process.
I agree that we shouldn't be looking just at next season if we are considering a new manager, but one who could establish us back in the top flight. That said, I would just settle for promotion right now seeing as we only just about scraped it the last time we were.
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If there is a few quid to spend and a structure in place to work with, I would like the board to go and try and entice Rodgers. He built a great side at Swansea but it would be a tough sell.
Second choice would be Moyes. He needs a challenge that will rebuild his reputation and we would provide that but again the club would have to be very good at selling it too him. The truth is both may be out of our league, but neither will get opportunities to become respected like they would here anywhere else.
Mark Warburton would be number 3 on the list. I think he is gettable too if offered the right structure.
After that Bruce looks a safe pair of hands to get you up, and would certainly tighten up the defence. His trouble is always finding a goalscorer.
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A decaying institution? Jesus.
And what is the circus in B9?
At bit melodramatic isn't it. You'd think the ground was crumbling or something. It's relegation, it's massively shit right now, but it's not like the lights are being switched off or we are riddled in debt and we are going out of business.
We're losing money hand over fist and are dependent on a disinterested owner to remain solvent. It's as bad as it can be conceivably be. Any new manager should be issued with a ' you don't have to be mad to work here, but.... ' baseball cap. It's a stick with Garde for me.
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Mark Warburton would be number 3 on the list. I think he is gettable too if offered the right structure.
I expect that having been sacked by Brentford and now managing in the Scottish second division he would crawl on his hands and knees to be Villa manager.
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I really don't understand this thing of getting a manager who is good at getting promoted, but not much else. I'd rather we just got a good manager. Aston Villa are a very big club and if we are acting correctly we don't need to restrict ourselves to managers who get clubs up and then get them relegated again. I think we should stick with Garde, because he deserves a chance to work under a board that appears to have a plan, but if he's going we should look for better than Bruce.
That's why I'd prefer someone with a higher ceiling than someone like Bruce. You know what you'll get and that's about it. Don't complain when he hits his natural ceiling. It's no different had we appointed Pulis or Allardyce. You know they'll likely keep you up even if it is by the skin of your balls every year. And with Pulis you'll have vowed never to go again to Villa Park because of the hideous nature of the product in the process.
I agree with you TV if the correct guy is available but, if not, Bruce might not be a bad holding position. A four year deal with the aim to get a new guy in before the contract expires.
It's pretty much what West Ham have done with Bilic and Fat Sam.
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Burnley minus Ings are very average. Dyche has brought in cast offs like Lowton, Ward, Barton, Kightly and spent their budget on Gray who has burned up the division. It's a fantastic managerial performance from Dyche. But the suspicion remains like Eddie Howe that away from their club that they would struggle.
I cannot remember where I read this, but Dyche is apparently a very different manager to the 'gritty northerer' that comes across on TV. Obsessively studies the game and attends/lectures more than any other manager at St Georges Park. If true there might be more thought and method to his management than I have previously credited him with.
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Mark Warburton would be number 3 on the list. I think he is gettable too if offered the right structure.
I expect that having been sacked by Brentford and now managing in the Scottish second division he would crawl on his hands and knees to be Villa manager.
His sacking at Brentford was farcical though wasn't it? Maybe he is the next Nigel Adkins, but I like the way he comes across at times, and and seems to be able to get sides playing decent football.
Dyche would be great, but would never come I don't think. Where is he from by the way?
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Stop worrying about the Manager. Guardiola will fail if we do not get some decent players in.
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Stop worrying about the Manager. Guardiola will fail if we do not get some decent players in.
...and won't the manager be the second most important person in that process after the guy that decides the budget?
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If there is a few quid to spend and a structure in place to work with, I would like the board to go and try and entice Rodgers. He built a great side at Swansea but it would be a tough sell.
Second choice would be Moyes. He needs a challenge that will rebuild his reputation and we would provide that but again the club would have to be very good at selling it too him. The truth is both may be out of our league, but neither will get opportunities to become respected like they would here anywhere else.
Mark Warburton would be number 3 on the list. I think he is gettable too if offered the right structure.
After that Bruce looks a safe pair of hands to get you up, and would certainly tighten up the defence. His trouble is always finding a goalscorer.
Moyes or Rodgers for me too. Why aren't they included in the poll?
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Moyes strikes me as the right balance between a safe but dour option like Bruce and an exciting manager with seemingly no ceiling to their potential. After all Moyes' ceiling was around 5th in the PL which is a world away from where we are right now.
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Stop worrying about the Manager. Guardiola will fail if we do not get some decent players in.
...and won't the manager be the second most important person in that process after the guy that decides the budget?
Yes. This 'it doesn't matter who the manager is' stuff is pretty weird. Of course it matters!!! But what i find really odd is this attitude being twinned with us needing to keep hold of Garde (I won't quote the win % as this has been heartily covered above!). If it doesn't matter, why have a manager at all?
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I wouldn't be adverse to Simon Grayson.
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Mark Warburton would be number 3 on the list. I think he is gettable too if offered the right structure.
I expect that having been sacked by Brentford and now managing in the Scottish second division he would crawl on his hands and knees to be Villa manager.
His sacking at Brentford was farcical though wasn't it? Maybe he is the next Nigel Adkins, but I like the way he comes across at times, and and seems to be able to get sides playing decent football.
It was both unexpected and a silly decision based on how they've done since.
But irrespective of that, he's "gettable" in the sense that even if the structure he were offered was to come and work for us for free and that he was answering to our new Director Of Football Robbie Savage then he would still be here in a flash.
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It's hard trying to find anything positive about this car crash of a season but at least we know which division we will be playing in next season. I hope we will use this to start making the changes needed quickly. I think on balance Garde should be replaced, I have lost confidence that he will improve us sufficiently in the championship but I don't blame him for where we are. Just hope we don't wait until the summer to change managers then have to wait until the new guy has 'assessed the squad' before any new players come in. Being Villa we will probably lose players steadily, start with what's left, get poor results in August then be scrambling around in the cast off bins on August 31st.
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Mark Warburton would be number 3 on the list. I think he is gettable too if offered the right structure.
I expect that having been sacked by Brentford and now managing in the Scottish second division he would crawl on his hands and knees to be Villa manager.
His sacking at Brentford was farcical though wasn't it? Maybe he is the next Nigel Adkins, but I like the way he comes across at times, and and seems to be able to get sides playing decent football.
It was both unexpected and a silly decision based on how they've done since.
But irrespective of that, he's "gettable" in the sense that even if the structure he were offered was to come and work for us for free and that he was answering to our new Director Of Football Robbie Savage then he would still be here in a flash.
Do you not think there is a fair bit of prestige in being the person to take Rangers back to the top of the SPL?
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Twitter awash with villa fans wanting us to grovel to Sherwood and get him back in notice.
Give your heads a wobble.
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If there is a few quid to spend and a structure in place to work with, I would like the board to go and try and entice Rodgers. He built a great side at Swansea but it would be a tough sell.
Second choice would be Moyes. He needs a challenge that will rebuild his reputation and we would provide that but again the club would have to be very good at selling it too him. The truth is both may be out of our league, but neither will get opportunities to become respected like they would here anywhere else.
Mark Warburton would be number 3 on the list. I think he is gettable too if offered the right structure.
After that Bruce looks a safe pair of hands to get you up, and would certainly tighten up the defence. His trouble is always finding a goalscorer.
Similar reasons to Ozz, but Monk third choice.
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If Remi was to leave, I wouldn't mind Shean Dyche to be given the Villa job. I would also like Moyes but I'm sure he will get a job in the top league.
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Both of them would be great candidates given our current plight - which sadly, ensures neither would touch us with a barge pole.
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Has Dwight Yorke popped his head back up this week claiming he has a special relationship with Sir Brian and would be the perfect fit? If he hasn't he will be shortly...
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I see Stan's claiming Mr Blobby wants the gig
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I wouldn't want to drop any new manager into the current situation. Whoever it is we should have him lined up soon after the last day of the season.
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I see Stan's claiming Mr Blobby wants the gig
If I was Bruce or Hull I'd be massively fucked off that Stan was opening his gob about this. Hull in a great position to come straight back up and this won't help their cause or Bruce's position there. And it might well be true but what if our board doesn't want him. Stan needs to keep his fucking mouth shut sometimes. Or a lot of the time.
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If Moyes wanted to come to us and get stuck into the Villa project then I would take him in a heartbeat. This is a long term project and we are starting from scratch so we need someone that knows what they are doing, someone that can build something in the Championship and will have the experience of Premiership management. We don't need another gamble, they don't work out for us. A safe pair of hands that will be given time and authority to build a team to take us up and then give us a platform to stay there. Moyes or maybe Rodgers.
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If Moyes wanted to come to us and get stuck into the Villa project then I would take him in a heartbeat. This is a long term project and we are starting from scratch so we need someone that knows what they are doing, someone that can build something in the Championship and will have the experience of Premiership management. We don't need another gamble, they don't work out for us. A safe pair of hands that will be given time and authority to build a team to take us up and then give us a platform to stay there. Moyes or maybe Rodgers.
What is the project exactly? I have been wondering over the past few days just what Villa currently ( and since 2010 ) stand for. It's not trophies, it's not glory, it is merely all about the Lerner family getting their money back. It's a rotten, hollow, culture to attempt to build a club around.
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Moyes for me. He has history, although some time ago, with Preston in the championship and he has the reputation of a quality manager which will bring the existing players on board and any potential new recruits to the club. Anyway I can dream, can't I?
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Moyes, Rodgers, wouldn't mind Monk, someone like that.
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I'll give you two people who would be desperate enough to work for Lerner - McClaren & Pearson.
I wouldn't want either but you have to be realistic and rule anyone else out because of Lerner
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The project is to no longer be in a position of peril year after year. There have been clubs way worse off that us in recent years that now have a structure in place to ensure sustainable growth and stability. Clubs like West Ham, Southampton and Leicester to name three. We have gone from one I'll thought out plan to the next with absolutely no strategic thinking. We have to stop that if the situation is to ever improve.
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You'd hope the new members of the board would get the new bloke in and Old Randy would leave them to it.
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Whoever it is we can't repeat the mistakes of appointing someone that does not not have back room team ready to come in with them
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Yes in hindsight dropping Garde into the jungle without his trusted lieutenants in place really compromised his ability to establish his authority. And RR was simply a back up and wasn't enough especially with cocks like Kmac still hanging around the place.
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Mark Warburton would be number 3 on the list. I think he is gettable too if offered the right structure.
I expect that having been sacked by Brentford and now managing in the Scottish second division he would crawl on his hands and knees to be Villa manager.
He wasn't sacked, but refused to renew his contract under the conditions the club were insisting on (taking away his veto on incoming transfers - sound familiar?).
Warburton's no fool, he used to work in the city when he was out of football and would want a lot of assurances before taking over our shitstorm. Personally, I don't think he'll leave Rangers. They'll be promoted this season and his long term assistant is Rangers legend David Weir. I haven't seen much of Rangers obviously, but Brentford played some cracking football under him, we'd be lucky to have him.
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What I'm happy about is that Brian Little will be involved in the next manager search and not Paul Faulkner or Tom Fox. Whoever it is I am happy to trust his judgment.
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I think that the board have to start offloading the useless feckers who have got us in the mess we're in, before talking of keeping or replacing Garde.
Unfortunately, as I and other posters have said, there are too many NOT out of contract at the end of the season.
So RL and the board aren't going to spend money to shift them.
So any new manager will have to put up with what's left, after certain RATS have jumped ship.
And if Hollis follows the thinking of RL, re making the club something he doesn't have to finance any more, then all of the reserve and youth players who are out of contract, won't have the one year options taken up.
And if that happens,what is likely to be left, doesn't exactly fill me with confidence for next season.
So can somebody tell me who the miracle working manager is going to be???
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WITH whats out there, I'm going with Fat Ed, he knows the championship and has premiership experience, I reckon if his given a budget , hell come.
But that is the question, is there going to be a budget.
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I think that the board have to start offloading the useless feckers who have got us in the mess we're in, before talking of keeping or replacing Garde.
Unfortunately, as I and other posters have said, there are too many NOT out of contract at the end of the season.
So RL and the board aren't going to spend money to shift them.
So any new manager will have to put up with what's left, after certain RATS have jumped ship.
And if Hollis follows the thinking of RL, re making the club something he doesn't have to finance any more, then all of the reserve and youth players who are out of contract, won't have the one year options taken up.
And if that happens,what is likely to be left, doesn't exactly fill me with confidence for next season.
So can somebody tell me who the miracle working manager is going to be???
Jorge Jesus perhaps ;)
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If Moyes wanted to come to us and get stuck into the Villa project then I would take him in a heartbeat. This is a long term project and we are starting from scratch so we need someone that knows what they are doing, someone that can build something in the Championship and will have the experience of Premiership management. We don't need another gamble, they don't work out for us. A safe pair of hands that will be given time and authority to build a team to take us up and then give us a platform to stay there. Moyes or maybe Rodgers.
What is the project exactly? I have been wondering over the past few days just what Villa currently ( and since 2010 ) stand for. It's not trophies, it's not glory, it is merely all about the Lerner family getting their money back. It's a rotten, hollow, culture to attempt to build a club around.
The project is to build this great club back up again. Wrong managerial appointments , wrong hierarchical appointments and the crowd of players left behind because of this have left the club hollow and without substance. You right that our definition of project might differ from Lerner's. But if he continues his mismanagement of his asset, and keeps letting it fall into disrepair, he is going to be left with having to take a huge loss on it to get it off his hands. He seems to be seeing sense with his board appointments and they seem to be a step in the right direction. If we really nail our next managerial appointment, get the right guy in and bounce back into the Premiership and build from that, then Lerner might have something he can sell to get himself out of this bind. Another gamble on a manager will keep us on the cycle we've been on.
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Other. Karanka or Warbuton.
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Moyes would be a sensational appointment for a Championship side. Rodgers or Monk might be good too, because they both know how Swansea got their solid base. Pearson could get an organised team together, but it would be a bit like hiring Holloway or Redknapp: yes they might do a good job, but at what cost to the dignity of the club?
Mind you, I'm not sure we have any more dignity to play with.
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I think that the board have to start offloading the useless feckers who have got us in the mess we're in, before talking of keeping or replacing Garde.
Unfortunately, as I and other posters have said, there are too many NOT out of contract at the end of the season.
So RL and the board aren't going to spend money to shift them.
So any new manager will have to put up with what's left, after certain RATS have jumped ship.
And if Hollis follows the thinking of RL, re making the club something he doesn't have to finance any more, then all of the reserve and youth players who are out of contract, won't have the one year options taken up.
And if that happens,what is likely to be left, doesn't exactly fill me with confidence for next season.
So can somebody tell me who the miracle working manager is going to be???
Jorge Jesus perhaps ;)
oh this is depressing, so Division 1 here we come.
Randy is obviously a cock, but ffs is he that fick to not see the errors of his "cut the costs" policy, appoint wannabe managers, appoint mates, alienate the fans.
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Other. Karanka or Warbuton.
Karanka is not a bad bet actually.
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[quote author=Tony Erdington link=topic=55660.msg3039120#msg3039120 date=145848104
oh this is depressing, so Division 1 here we come.
Randy is obviously a cock, but ffs is he that fick to not see the errors of his "cut the costs" policy, appoint wannabe managers, appoint mates, alienate the fans.
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Well Tony, he's had a fair old time to see the errors, but he keeps on making them!!!!!
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Moyes would be a sensational appointment for a Championship side. Rodgers or Monk might be good too, because they both know how Swansea got their solid base. Pearson could get an organised team together, but it would be a bit like hiring Holloway or Redknapp: yes they might do a good job, but at what cost to the dignity of the club?
Mind you, I'm not sure we have any more dignity to play with.
yes Moyes was definitely right for us, before we appointed garde, but cheap cheap randy through the dice and guese what, we klost again. I think moyes is now to high profile for us, he will have much better options, I'm getting aboard the "FAT ED BUS"
he has lots of experience will get us out of the championship (I think) at the first time of asking.
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Other. Karanka or Warbuton.
Karanka is not a bad bet actually.
He might be a Premier League manager next season, though.
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Moyes would be a sensational appointment for a Championship side. Rodgers or Monk might be good too, because they both know how Swansea got their solid base. Pearson could get an organised team together, but it would be a bit like hiring Holloway or Redknapp: yes they might do a good job, but at what cost to the dignity of the club?
Mind you, I'm not sure we have any more dignity to play with.
yes Moyes was definitely right for us, before we appointed garde, but cheap cheap randy through the dice and guese what, we klost again. I think moyes is now to high profile for us, he will have much better options, I'm getting aboard the "F*** ED BUS"
Fixed!!
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We're going to end up with that twat Pearson, aren't we?
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Not necessarily.
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We're going to end up with that twat Pearson, aren't we?
I expect it to be a thoroughly uninspiring choice, in any event. I mean, really, Steve Bruce is a name being seriously linked? He is the very definition of a yo-yo manager, and a dinosaur tactically. Yes, he may well get us up, but even Mick McCarthy has a decent record of getting teams promoted.
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They apparently want 'experience of the Championship' (the new 'Premier League experience'?) - which sounds good, until you remember that most people who have lots of experience in the Championship have it because they're not good enough for the Premier League.
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I'd take Rowett over Pearson or Bruce.
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But the links before we appointed Garde were all the same names. And even if we got someone with knowledge of the Championship or the English game it doesn't have to be Bruce, Pearson, McCarthy etc. It could be Grayson, Rowett, Rodgers, Monk instead which wouldn't be bad.
The key is we do not rush this decision. Nobody we hire will change this season, so we may as well take our time and open up our choices in the summer.
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That poll list is depressing, but rather Pearson than Bruce.
Bruce isn't a better manager than Pearson, and we'll have to buy him out of his contract. Then we'll have to pay him off either when he doesn't get us promoted.
Moyes or even Rodgers would be incredible appointments given our position.
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Moyes would be an amazing appointment.
Won't happen though. His stock has fallen in his last two jobs, but not that much.
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I'd take Rowett over Pearson or Bruce.
I've said it before, but I'd quite like the chance to prove that the unpopularity of McLeish had incredibly little to do with his coming from Blues - in fact, taking someone good from them would make it slightly more satisfying.
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Moyes would be an amazing appointment.
Won't happen though. His stock has fallen in his last two jobs, but not that much.
I still think the Villa will be the biggest job he'll get next season.
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Unless we can secure a Moyes/Rodgers type manager now then we need to wait until the season ends. Those kinds of managers will not want to be associated with relegation.
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The whole club needs a lift. Appointing somebody like Steve fucking Bruce wouldn't do that. Pearson neither.
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This may be a silly question, but do you think we actually have a target lined up/in mind, or will the Garde sacking trigger this process?
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It'll be annoying to see a Moyes getting employed by a Southampton/Palace type team. Their top division status is fleeting and always will be. I know we've not got much to crow about but what would you rather be remembered for - taking Palace into the Europa League or making Aston Villa one of the big boys again?
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There is zero point of Pearson unless you are getting Shakespear and Walsh with him.
Moyes would be a brilliant appointment and a statement of intent but who can honestly see it happening?
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I wouldn't expect it to happen, but it's not as if Sociedad were challenging for the Spanish title or anything. There aren't a lot of jobs available to the guy who couldn't get United to work. Like I said, maybe a Palace type would give him pause for thought, but I think we're as attractive a proposition in our way.
Of course, if the money's not there, you may as well stick with MacDonald for the good it's going to do.
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I'd be pretty worried if we sacked garde and appointed someone next week, It makes no difference who is at the helm for the remaining games so what's the rush? This is one appointment they have to get right and for once they have plenty of time to get it right.
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Unless we can secure a Moyes/Rodgers type manager now then we need to wait until the season ends. Those kinds of managers will not want to be associated with relegation.
Yep. Also there could be some better options available in the summer, for example Pardew and Martinez are both now feeling the pressure and could be looking for work soon.
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I don't think either will be available though. Still not convinced by Martinez either. He has an immensely talented squad at Everton but is quickly getting back to being a manager of a side who can't defend for toffee.
Pardew is like a confidence player, but as a manager. Wins a load, then can't buy a win. Bit John Gregory like.
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Moyes would be a sensational appointment for a Championship side. Rodgers or Monk might be good too, because they both know how Swansea got their solid base. Pearson could get an organised team together, but it would be a bit like hiring Holloway or Redknapp: yes they might do a good job, but at what cost to the dignity of the club?
Mind you, I'm not sure we have any more dignity to play with.
And they all have the charisma of a wet Monday in January. They may be better than what we've experienced recently, but all sacked for not being good enough or in Pearson's case unable to act like a responsible dignified person.
I'm not sure the term sensational and Moyes fit together.
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There is zero point of Pearson unless you are getting Shakespear and Walsh with him.
Moyes would be a brilliant appointment and a statement of intent but who can honestly see it happening?
Pay him enough and he'll do it, but he'll need to see some kind of intent from the club to actually move forward and become competitive again. He won't want his trousers pulled down like the last managers have had, and they've been under-qualified for the job to begin with.
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I don't care for charisma. I care about ability and the understanding of the situation and irrespective of the challenge how to get the best from it. If there is one criticism of Garde it is that. Yes things were fucked but he had enough time not to let it get so much worse. He contributed to it.
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I know. I'm also speechless at some of the suggestions.
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Moyes gets my vote, get him on the poll list.
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Moyes would be a sensational appointment for a Championship side. Rodgers or Monk might be good too, because they both know how Swansea got their solid base. Pearson could get an organised team together, but it would be a bit like hiring Holloway or Redknapp: yes they might do a good job, but at what cost to the dignity of the club?
Mind you, I'm not sure we have any more dignity to play with.
And they all have the charisma of a wet Monday in January. They may be better than what we've experienced recently, but all sacked for not being good enough or in Pearson's case unable to act like a responsible dignified person.
I'm not sure the term sensational and Moyes fit together.
We would never have appointed Ron Saunders if charisma mattered.
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it's going to be that swivel-eyed fucktrumpt Nigel isn't it?
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If they are genuinely looking for a unifying appointment then that should instantly rule out Bruce and Pearson, you'd like to think.
Moyes would be great all things considered. Experienced, took over Everton when they were on their arse, worked the lower leagues with Preston and his backroom staff could all come with him. I imagine he'd take some persuading but why not try?
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There was something in an earlier post about Hollis looking for a proven British manager that had experience of being promoted from the Championship. That says to me that he will immediately be attracted to an unreconstructed ogre like Pearson.
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Our board does seem to have decided that trying to be modern has failed, so we might as well try to be dinosaurs. Let's not prejudge though.
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It doesn't have to be dinosaurs just because a manager is British. Anymore that going non British is somehow modern and progressive. And we have no idea what the board has decided and part of the decision process will be taking the opinion of a football person we all respect and love.
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It doesn't have to be dinosaurs just because a manager is British. Anymore that going non British is somehow modern and progressive. And we have no idea what the board has decided and part of the decision process will be taking the opinion of a football person we all respect and love.
Nigel Pearson is a dinosaur. That's what I'm going on.
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It doesn't have to be dinosaurs just because a manager is British. Anymore that going non British is somehow modern and progressive. And we have no idea what the board has decided and part of the decision process will be taking the opinion of a football person we all respect and love.
Nigel Pearson is a dinosaur. That's what I'm going on.
And there is no indication that it will be him. He's one of several names that will naturally come up. I also guarantee you Curbishley will be in the running too with Bruce, McCarthy and other such used up gems. I'm going to leave my trust in Sir Brian to get this right. It's the reason he's been brought in.
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Moyes is the one and a decent chance of getting him I reckon. His best bet for a job was Newcastle who opted for FSW. He might just fancy it? Would help sell season tickets potentially which the club must be thinking and worrying about.
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I know we all love him, but why would Sir Brian necessarily get it right? He doesn't exactly have any recent track record in appointing managers. He's as capable of getting it horribly wrong as anyone.
As for their being no indication that it'll be Pearson, John Percy in the Telegraph seems very confident that Pearson is the main target, as confident as he seems that Remi's going to be sacked in the morning. That could just be journalistic bluster, of course, but it does seem to fit in with Tom Fox's 'disagreements' with the new board on the direction to take from here.
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Did Pearson play under Little at Leicester?
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Partly because I would hope Sir Brian can understand the club and empathizes with the supporters on the current situation. We wanted a football person in the board and we have one so we have to see how this plays out.
And if it is Pearson I would hope he isn't picked from a pool of one and that the process was well thought through. And critically that he has learnt from his errors.
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Partly because I would hope Sir Brian can understand the club and empathizes with the supporters on the current situation. We wanted a football person in the board and we have one so we have to see how this plays out.
Yes, but I think I understand the club and empathise with the supporters - doesn't make me qualified to appoint a manager. Yes, we will have to see how it plays out, but I haven't been made amazingly optimistic by these early indications.
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Partly because I would hope Sir Brian can understand the club and empathizes with the supporters on the current situation. We wanted a football person in the board and we have one so we have to see how this plays out.
Yes, but I think I understand the club and empathise with the supporters - doesn't make me qualified to appoint a manager. Yes, we will have to see how it plays out, but I haven't been made amazingly optimistic by these early indications.
Think about the early media driven indications before Garde was hired and then how those all ended up.
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Neville's on his way back from Spain - it can't be, can it!
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We need to go about this right. Interview a suitable batch of candidates and make an informed decision. We can't be taking letters of recommendation from Alex Ferguson (TSM), or go straight to virtually a single candidate who is to all but those appointing him, clearly a bad choice (Sherwood).
Pull together a list of candidates we can get. Be ambitious (so try for someone like Moyes or Rodgers). Then we need to ensure that the manager we hire is able to get the backroom team they want in place and do so quickly. We also need a firm decision on our transfer policy, which in turn will contribute toward our next managerial choice. Does the manager have control of transfers or not? If it's the latter, that may rule out certain candidates, but the brief at home needs to be crystal clear and any manager we get needs to be backed as they were promised when they signed on the dotted line. We cannot have the Sherwood situation again where we spunk out a load of cash on fees and wages on players, half of which he signed and the other half he wasn't particularly keen on (yes, I realise that Sherwood is a bullshitting gasbag).
But any transfer window we have needs a logical approach. Can all our targets gel cohesively? Are we building a team, or just pulling in individuals we hope may gel at some point?
The next manager needs to be able to flush out any bad eggs and then build a coherent side. There's a massive difference to having a united side compared to a fractured one. Three big clubs currently occupy the bottom 3 and none of them, on paper, have the three worst squads. Something has gone awry. That's down to club management and team management (and everything in between). Meanwhile Leicester are 8 points clear of the top. Watford and Bournemouth are safe in March. West Ham are pushing for top four. Talent is important but hard work and team spirit and a desire to give your all for your team and your teammates, takes you a fucking long way.
If we sort that part out, we come back up. But unfortunately a poor team spirit is poisonous. It's hard to eradicate. If there's one potential saving grace of relegation it's the fact that most of the senior squad will be looking to jump ship. It's a chance to get rid of some of the bad seeds and hopefully build a side who will pull together. There's not a single player in our side worth keeping. Not one. It's not like Benteke or Delph, where you can see the gap left.
I really hope whoever is in charge is backed and we have a clear plan. 10 players out. 5-6 solid players in. Good attitude is key. I'd absolutely kill for someone like Drinkwater. Not a world beater. Not particularly great but such a fucking hard worker. Players like that drag you by the scruff of the neck and keep you going.
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Nigel Pearson is just an unpleasant bully.
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Neville's on his way back from Spain - it can't be, can it!
Wasn't his bro assistant to Moyes?
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Pearson managed my first love CUFC (Villa are my glory team :o) He kept us in the league telling Jimmy Glass to go up for a corner for which Ill be grateful for forever.I now work with a couple of lads that played in that team and they have nothing but praise for Pearson, a proper honest bloke they say, tells you to your face what hes gonna do and what he wants you to do, and if you dont do it you know about it.
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Just going by his stats, Pearson doesn't have an awful record.
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Nigel Pearson is just an unpleasant bully.
Don't particularly like him for those reasons but this Leicester team is essentially his team.
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By the way where is Other coaching now or is he a free agent so no compensation?
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Pearson managed my first love CUFC (Villa are my glory team :o)
OK you are Mother Teresa and I claim my 5 pounds?
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After O'Leary and O'Neill, we should know better than to appoint O'Ther.
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The only saving grace of Pearson is that his Leicester side put in one of the best displays against us all season at their place last season, and could have been 6 up by half time. We have to get his backroom team though. Even as far back as Little, it started to go wrong when Gregory left. Lambert lost his coaches at Villa and never recovered.
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Pearson managed my first love CUFC (Villa are my glory team :o)
OK you are Mother Teresa and I claim my 5 pounds?
;D
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Nigel Pearson is just an unpleasant bully.
Don't particularly like him for those reasons but this Leicester team is essentially his team.
I don't get this argument.
If Ranieri is able to get this team to win the league, how shit must Pearson be to have almost got it relegated?
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Give it to Howe. 10m ringfenced spending plus whatever he can raise from sales. TOTAL control of transfers and the chance to manage a fallen giant and make it great again. I'm sure Brian Little could sell that to him
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Yes, we should definitely get one and one that know his arse from his elbow.
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Eddie Howe would be my choice if we were still going to be in the Premier.
Doubt we'd get him now, we'd probably ruin him anyway.
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The Evening Mail has a responsibility to report accurately. We all know that they read these pages. WE DO NOT WANT NIGEL PEARSON AS THE NEXT VILLA MANAGER. That is all. Plenty of good Manager's out of work this summer without resorting to the likes of Pearson.
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Hodgson's contract with England ends after the Euros doesn't it? Worked with one of our new board members at the FA.
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Eddie Howe would be my choice if we were still going to be in the Premier.
Doubt we'd get him now, we'd probably ruin him anyway.
Think we could given the will by Lerner. It's the difference between all the yesmen we've had thankful for the job and willing to go along with the board's batshit ideas and a manager who doesn't actually need us, but could be tempted by running a monster of a football club. Just like SGT was tempted.
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Nigel Pearson is just an unpleasant bully.
Yes he regularly took Albrighton to see the blue goldfish...
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Regardless of who the manager is next season they should insist on player funds in writing before accepting.
That goes for Remi himself if he wants to continue.
You demonstrably cannot trust this board's word, I hope every manager candidate out there now realises this and insists on a level of funding in his contract.
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As a manager, Pearson wouldn't be the worst choice, it's just that as a man I find it impossible to warm to him. Not sure if that really matters though.
I actually voted for Monk in the poll as I'm sure there's the potential to be a very good manager there, just not certain if he's what we need in the Championship. Maybe in a few years time. I'm more sure about him than I am about Garde though. He's shown nothing in his time here. Results and performances have barely improved under him at all. We may as well have stuck with Sherwood.
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Nigel Pearson is just an unpleasant bully.
Don't particularly like him for those reasons but this Leicester team is essentially his team.
I don't get this argument.
If Ranieri is able to get this team to win the league, how shit must Pearson be to have almost got it relegated?
That's another way to look at it but the team is displaying the same form that it did in the final 9 games last season.
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Nigel Pearson is just an unpleasant bully.
Don't particularly like him for those reasons but this Leicester team is essentially his team.
I don't get this argument.
If Ranieri is able to get this team to win the league, how shit must Pearson be to have almost got it relegated?
That's another way to look at it but the team is displaying the same form that it did in the final 9 games last season.
Leicester weren't as horrendous as us before then either. They'd had some degree of misfortune in some games to be fair to them and not played terribly. Then 2-3 players hit form and they had the winning run. We've been utter pig shit all season and there's no chance we'll go on any sort of run like they did.
Pearson isn't great by any stretch but he's better than what we currently have and is one of the better options who will be available to us.
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A futile debate I think.
Unless we get rid of the useless, half arsed, self serving dildos who masquerade as professional footballers who is manager is immaterial.
By my reckoning we have 4 definitely worth keeping + 2 punts in the league below
Bye bye
Guzan
Bunn
Hutton
Bacuna
Richards
Richardson
Gabby
Lescott
Westwood
Clark
Baker
need to be binned. Probably missed one or two
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Pat Murphy reckons it's Pearson.
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A futile debate I think.
Unless we get rid of the useless, half arsed, self serving dildos who masquerade as professional footballers who is manager is immaterial.
By my reckoning we have 4 definitely worth keeping + 2 punts in the league below
Bye bye
Guzan
Bunn
Hutton
Bacuna
Richards
Richardson
Gabby
Lescott
Westwood
Clark
Baker
need to be binned. Probably missed one or two
For me:
Keep (but not especially bothered either way): Okore, Clark, Amavi, Traore, Veretout, Grealish, Steer, Gardner, Robinson
Bin: Guzan, Bunn, Richards, Bacuna, Gueye, Ayew, Sinclair, Gabby, Westwood, Richardson, Hutton, Sanchez, Gil, Kozak, N'Zogbia, Gestede, Cissokho, Baker, Bennett, Crespo
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Pat Murphy reckons it's Pearson.
murphy has got his head buried underneath the sand
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I find myself asking the question if the turnaround in Leicesters fortunes last year was because of Pearson or in spite of him. I rather think the latter.
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Eddie Howe would be my choice if we were still going to be in the Premier.
Doubt we'd get him now, we'd probably ruin him anyway.
My son pissed himself laughing when I suggested Howe back in Jan. I told him, because as a 20 year old, he doesnt realise that AVFC are a massive club and what an opportunity for a young up and coming manager. He will always be managing a small club at Bournemouth. Big problem is Lerner and convincing any decent manager that you can work within our fiscal contraints
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I'd go for Sean Dyche.
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Brendan Rodgers or David Moyes.
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I'd try for Rodgers, then Moyes and then perhaps Monk or Bruce. If pulis leaves the Albion, God forgive me, I'd have him in to get us back up and stabilise the club for a season or two.
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Lets be truthful. Yes we are in the shite. But if we put an advert in the paper tomorrow advertising the first team managers job at ASTON VILLA FC.
Moyes and Rodgers wouldn't apply?
Seriously?
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Absolutely no need to rush a decision. So much can happen manager wise at the end of the season so I hope we spend time getting the infrastructure right before bringing the manager in. We simply cannot afford to get this appointment wrong.
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Agreed. No rush and likely more options once the season is over.
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If Moyes would take it he is one I would have before the end of the season. Likewise Rodgers.
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Of course.
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If moves took the job I would be amazed.
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It's not all about who we want obviously. We're not the draw we were I think you have to accept.
For me Moyes is the standout choice, and available. Whether he'd want it is another thing.
Pearson and Bruce I wouldn't be completely unhappy with, which says a lot about how far we've fallen.
I genuinely wouldn't want Rodgers or Monk. Neither are what we need and BR is surely the most over rated of them all. Created the worst Dippers side in my lifetime and only Gerrard / Suarez covered up his failings.
Other, perhaps improbable, names to throw in?
Laudrup, koeman, flores, Wenger if Arsenal get rid. de Boer from Ajax. Howe, Dyche, Rowett, hiddink once Chelsea drop him, Hodgson (meh) or O Neill (I know I know but I liked him) once the Euros are over. Karanka ex Borough. I'd even consider fat sam, pulis and dodgy Harry as improvements over our last 4 managers.
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It's not all about who we want obviously. We're not the draw we were I think you have to accept.
For me Moyes is the standout choice, and available. Whether he'd want it is another thing.
Pearson and Bruce I wouldn't be completely unhappy with, which says a lot about how far we've fallen.
I genuinely wouldn't want Rodgers or Monk. Neither are what we need and BR is surely the most over rated of them all. Created the worst Dippers side in my lifetime and only Gerrard / Suarez covered up his failings.
Other, perhaps improbable, names to throw in?
Laudrup, koeman, flores, Wenger if Arsenal get rid. de Boer from Ajax. Howe, Dyche, Rowett, hiddink once Chelsea drop him, Hodgson (meh) or O Neill (I know I know but I liked him) once the Euros are over. Karanka ex Borough. I'd even consider fat sam, pulis and dodgy Harry as improvements over our last 4 managers.
I'll have what you're drinking...
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My worry would be that Leicester's success on staying up and pushing on may be down to Walsh and Shakespeare rather than Pearson. So we end up with another manager who was kept afloat by others and will founder without them.
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Dodgy Harry fits the "got sides out of the championship" bill. Also played some great stuff at Spurs. Would never happen, but would be an interesting choice.
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My worry would be that Leicester's success on staying up and pushing on may be down to Walsh and Shakespeare rather than Pearson. So we end up with another manager who was kept afloat by others and will founder without them.
Me too. Got to be a man and his team, not a man and then 6 months finding a team for him.
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I hate the thought of Pearson as manager of Aston Villa, he can fuck off and die.
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Has anyone mentioned Southgate ?
I know the Club wanted him before Sherwood was appointed but he declined. He had an Under 21 Tournament to manage.
With Little on board, Southgate could be an outside bet again ?
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Surely better suited to the football operations role than the manager job?
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Has anyone mentioned Southgate ?
I know the Club wanted him before Sherwood was appointed but he declined. He had an Under 21 Tournament to manage.
With Little on board, Southgate could be an outside bet again ?
Has he had any success in management? Serious question...
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Dodgy Harry fits the "got sides out of the championship" bill. Also played some great stuff at Spurs. Would never happen, but would be an interesting choice.
Bill being the operative word. Spends a lot of money when clubs throw it at him and it fucks up the club every time. Very wide berth.
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Southgate a definite no for me. Awful at Boro and hardly a success at England.
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Pearson??? My love for this club will take another hammer blow if they let him anywhere near the manager seat. I called the Sherwood appointment what it was when it was announced - a disaster. But Pearson - wow! Shameful
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It's not all about who we want obviously. We're not the draw we were I think you have to accept.
For me Moyes is the standout choice, and available. Whether he'd want it is another thing.
Pearson and Bruce I wouldn't be completely unhappy with, which says a lot about how far we've fallen.
I genuinely wouldn't want Rodgers or Monk. Neither are what we need and BR is surely the most over rated of them all. Created the worst Dippers side in my lifetime and only Gerrard / Suarez covered up his failings.
Other, perhaps improbable, names to throw in?
Laudrup, koeman, flores, Wenger if Arsenal get rid. de Boer from Ajax. Howe, Dyche, Rowett, hiddink once Chelsea drop him, Hodgson (meh) or O Neill (I know I know but I liked him) once the Euros are over. Karanka ex Borough. I'd even consider fat sam, pulis and dodgy Harry as improvements over our last 4 managers.
I'll have what you're drinking...
Which suggestion don't you agree with there? Just out of interest.
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If Moyes would take it he is one I would have before the end of the season. Likewise Rodgers.
Either one of them would be a great choice. Surely it's not hard to sell? We're still a massive club, we're getting the board sorted out. If only Hollis can show one of these that there is some money available to remodel the squad. By all accounts Randy has backed all the mangers here to some extent, but we have been so mis-managed from his position down through the club.
If we have a decent structure we must be still a great opportunity most managers.
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It's not all about who we want obviously. We're not the draw we were I think you have to accept.
For me Moyes is the standout choice, and available. Whether he'd want it is another thing.
Pearson and Bruce I wouldn't be completely unhappy with, which says a lot about how far we've fallen.
I genuinely wouldn't want Rodgers or Monk. Neither are what we need and BR is surely the most over rated of them all. Created the worst Dippers side in my lifetime and only Gerrard / Suarez covered up his failings.
Other, perhaps improbable, names to throw in?
Laudrup, koeman, flores, Wenger if Arsenal get rid. de Boer from Ajax. Howe, Dyche, Rowett, hiddink once Chelsea drop him, Hodgson (meh) or O Neill (I know I know but I liked him) once the Euros are over. Karanka ex Borough. I'd even consider fat sam, pulis and dodgy Harry as improvements over our last 4 managers.
I'll have what you're drinking...
Which suggestion don't you agree with there? Just out of interest.
Koeman leaving Southampton to come here? Wenger leaving Arsenal? De Boer leaving Ajax? I don't think it's a case of disagreeing with them, more realising that there isn't the slightest chance of any of them happenening.
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If Moyes would take it he is one I would have before the end of the season. Likewise Rodgers.
Either one of them would be a great choice. Surely it's not hard to sell? We're still a massive club, we're getting the board sorted out. If only Hollis can show one of these that there is some money available to remodel the squad. By all accounts Randy has backed all the mangers here to some extent, but we have been so mis-managed from his position down through the club.
If we have a decent structure we must be still a great opportunity most managers.
Get real. Those that call us a massive club are still living a decade ago. What makes us massive anymore? And the more managers we chew up and spit out, the more the job becomes more and more unappealing. Sorry but a dose of reality needed here.
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Has anyone mentioned Southgate ?
I know the Club wanted him before Sherwood was appointed but he declined. He had an Under 21 Tournament to manage.
With Little on board, Southgate could be an outside bet again ?
Has he had any success in management? Serious question...
Here is his Wikipedia page. It's up to you to decide about his success in management.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Southgate#Management_career
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If Moyes would take it he is one I would have before the end of the season. Likewise Rodgers.
Either one of them would be a great choice. Surely it's not hard to sell? We're still a massive club, we're getting the board sorted out. If only Hollis can show one of these that there is some money available to remodel the squad. By all accounts Randy has backed all the mangers here to some extent, but we have been so mis-managed from his position down through the club.
If we have a decent structure we must be still a great opportunity most managers.
Get real. Those that call us a massive club are still living a decade ago. What makes us massive anymore? And the more managers we chew up and spit out, the more the job becomes more and more unappealing. Sorry but a dose of reality needed here.
Well I still think we are. So do most people I know. I look at Newcastle and had no doubts that they would get Moyes if they wanted, so why not us?
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It's not all about who we want obviously. We're not the draw we were I think you have to accept.
For me Moyes is the standout choice, and available. Whether he'd want it is another thing.
Pearson and Bruce I wouldn't be completely unhappy with, which says a lot about how far we've fallen.
I genuinely wouldn't want Rodgers or Monk. Neither are what we need and BR is surely the most over rated of them all. Created the worst Dippers side in my lifetime and only Gerrard / Suarez covered up his failings.
Other, perhaps improbable, names to throw in?
Laudrup, koeman, flores, Wenger if Arsenal get rid. de Boer from Ajax. Howe, Dyche, Rowett, hiddink once Chelsea drop him, Hodgson (meh) or O Neill (I know I know but I liked him) once the Euros are over. Karanka ex Borough. I'd even consider fat sam, pulis and dodgy Harry as improvements over our last 4 managers.
I'll have what you're drinking...
Which suggestion don't you agree with there? Just out of interest.
It starts fine, the first two sentences are innocuous enough. The Pearson thing is horribly misguided, but just about understandable. It gets a bit nuttier with the Rodgers stuff, and then properly psychedelic when it gets to the Koeman, Flores, de Boer, Wenger, Hiddink bit.
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If you were Moyes, would you touch it? I don't think I would. 4 managers in 4 years, 27m loss last season and going down without a fight.
Pearson would because he will never get anything bigger. Moyes might yet be offered a half decent premiership job next season.
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If Newcastle can get Rafa then I see no reason we cant throw money at the problem and get a good proven foreign manager as well.
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When Moyes took on Everton they had been floundering for some time, not anywhere near as bad as us but it was certainly a massive challenge at a massive club.
Ok, he's now a proven manager himself but he might still fancy a challenge at a big club, if the backing was there. That's the big if I suppose.
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If Newcastle can get Rafa then I see no reason we cant throw money at the problem and get a good proven foreign manager as well.
Only 'cos they are in the Premier and have a chance of staying up. He'll be gone if they go down.
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It starts fine, the first two sentences are innocuous enough. The Pearson thing is horribly misguided, but just about understandable. It gets a bit nuttier with the Rodgers stuff, and then properly psychedelic when it gets to the Koeman, Flores, de Boer, Wenger, Hiddink bit.
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Nah,fair comments, but I did actually use the word 'improbable'
Having said that, De Boer was sending out vibes he wouldn't mind the Swansea job recently. And I'd maintain we're a bigger draw and higher wage payer than them. Even if we do have to spend a year in the Championship. so who knows?
I'd also stand by my evaluation of Rodgers. Awful manager.
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We're probably a better attraction now strangely enough.
A chance to rebuild a genuine giant as big fish in a small pond, rather than flailing in the top flight.
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We're probably a better attraction now strangely enough.
A chance to rebuild a genuine giant as big fish in a small pond, rather than flailing in the top flight.
I'd agree with that. If the new manager gets it right they could coast the league and build momentum.
Get it wrong though...
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Several managers out of work, they won't all get a job offer. Why not try to wake up the sleeping giant that is Villa? Obviously, they will want assurances about backing, but I see no other club bigger than Villa coming in for Moyes or Rodgers this summer.
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If you were Moyes, would you touch it? I don't think I would. 4 managers in 4 years, 27m loss last season and going down without a fight.
Pearson would because he will never get anything bigger. Moyes might yet be offered a half decent premiership job next season.
I think Moyes would. I think a manager would get a feeling for the club when you talk to them or work within the game. I don't think manager would fail to be impresses when talking to the ex-Governor of the Bank Of England, David Bernstein, and of course Sir Brian. I think that potential manager would be prepared to listen to what these people have to say and would think that this club are meaning to do business. We 've been told that we will spend money in the summer, in a roundabout way, and with the carrot of a higher budget should the manager get the team promoted, I think there are not many realistic target managers that would not listen very seriously.
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It'll be Pearson. I really don't want him. He's a bully and a coward. It'll piss me off if we appoint it. If there's one thing Villa are good at, it's pissing me off. It'll be Pearson.
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Several managers out of work, they won't all get a job offer. Why not try to wake up the sleeping giant that is Villa? Obviously, they will want assurances about backing, but I see no other club bigger than Villa coming in for Moyes or Rodgers this summer.
Their are numerous logical issues with all this talk of "sleeping giant" - 1) we have been sleeping a very long time in all honesty, 2) we will never again be a giant until and unless a very, very, very, very rich consortium buy the club (Randy is richer than most and even he can;t get us anywhere near good enough), and 3) each year that passes in the modern game, we are falling further and further behind.
A manager whomever it is will not awaken the sleeping giant - only a change of ownership can hope to change that.
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If you were Moyes, would you touch it? I don't think I would. 4 managers in 4 years, 27m loss last season and going down without a fight.
Pearson would because he will never get anything bigger. Moyes might yet be offered a half decent premiership job next season.
I think Moyes would. I think a manager would get a feeling for the club when you talk to them or work within the game. I don't think manager would fail to be impresses when talking to the ex-Governor of the Bank Of England, David Bernstein, and of course Sir Brian. I think that potential manager would be prepared to listen to what these people have to say and would think that this club are meaning to do business. We 've been told that we will spend money in the summer, in a roundabout way, and with the carrot of a higher budget should the manager get the team promoted, I think there are not many realistic target managers that would not listen very seriously.
You're selling it well. So well that I'd want better than Moyes!
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Pearson is exactly the sort of idiotic decision the previous regime would have made. I'd like to think we're a bit smarter now.
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Several managers out of work, they won't all get a job offer. Why not try to wake up the sleeping giant that is Villa? Obviously, they will want assurances about backing, but I see no other club bigger than Villa coming in for Moyes or Rodgers this summer.
Their are numerous logical issues with all this talk of "sleeping giant" - 1) we have been sleeping a very long time in all honesty, 2) we will never again be a giant until and unless a very, very, very, very rich consortium buy the club (Randy is richer than most and even he can;t get us anywhere near good enough), and 3) each year that passes in the modern game, we are falling further and further behind.
A manager whomever it is will not awaken the sleeping giant - only a change of ownership can hope to change that.
You only have to look around at clubs like Leicester and Southampton to see what can be done when a club is well run. Leicester have been an example to everyone this season so I find it ironic that we're still seeing arguments about how crucial a mega rich owner is. Obviously it would be nice and would massively accelerate things but unless it happens, its a pipe dream when there are much more positive examples in the real world.
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Several managers out of work, they won't all get a job offer. Why not try to wake up the sleeping giant that is Villa? Obviously, they will want assurances about backing, but I see no other club bigger than Villa coming in for Moyes or Rodgers this summer.
Their are numerous logical issues with all this talk of "sleeping giant" - 1) we have been sleeping a very long time in all honesty, 2) we will never again be a giant until and unless a very, very, very, very rich consortium buy the club (Randy is richer than most and even he can;t get us anywhere near good enough), and 3) each year that passes in the modern game, we are falling further and further behind.
A manager whomever it is will not awaken the sleeping giant - only a change of ownership can hope to change that.
You only have to look around at clubs like Leicester and Southampton to see what can be done when a club is well run. Leicester have been an example to everyone this season so I find it ironic that we're still seeing arguments about how crucial a mega rich owner is. Obviously it would be nice and would massively accelerate things but unless it happens, its a pipe dream when there are much more positive examples in the real world.
Ok agree'd thats a fair point if in the context a stable PL club. I was more responding to the "Giant" phrase. That implies things that Leicester and Southampton (despite their terrific seasons) are unlikely to consistently achieve.
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Back in November, the last time the "next manager" thread was called into being (which shows what a shambles this season has been), I posted that I thought Moyes would be the absolutely perfect candidate for the job, on the basis that he'd done it before - "it" being saving a struggling big club from relegation and steering it back in the right direction. I also said that that was exactly why he wouldn't be remotely interested; why the hell would you want to do exactly the same job again, a decade or so later?
Now, perversely, I'm wondering if the sheer scale of our demise would make us a more attractive proposition for Moyes. We're not just another dull big club circling the drain any more; we're the real deal, an utter basket case, we've reached levels of ineptitude none of us thought possible. This isn't the same job all over again, it's much more of a mess than anything he's faced before; we're actually going down, really doing it, spectacularly, awfully, we won't have a Hans Segers chucking one in his own net on the final day to save us. Lifting this club from the humiliation and disaster of this pitiful season, rebuilding it and restoring it to its rightful place would be a massive achievement that would widdle over anything he did at Everton. Moyes' reputation took a big hit at Stretford and Sociedad, there really aren't that many big jobs available to him at the moment. If he wants a challenge then this is a whopper.
I don't think he'd come, mind, I'm just wondering if we're actually a bit more interesting (to other managers too, not just him) now we're so damaged. Let's face it, if you're good at tinkering with cars you don't dream of buying a second hand Micra so you can change the spark plugs; what you want is an old rust bucket you can turn into Chitty Chitty Bang Bang.
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If Pearson is the answer, what the hell is the question?
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My worry is , whoever the manager is that comes in , will he come with a " all the players start with a clean slate " approach. I believe 95 per cent of this squad need to go undoubtedly, but would that happen with a new guy ?
At least now with Sir Brian on the board, I'm hoping whoever comes in will be told by him " they all need to be moved on "
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Howe, that must be Don were talking about as it sure as hell wont be Eddie.
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If Pearson is the answer, what the hell is the question?
"Are you an ostrich?"
Pearson's stock seems to have risen this season despite being out of work. Yes, Leicester eventually went on a good run last season but they were largely crap. Something, somehow has clicked there this season and players who were average have now reached a new level. It should also be mentioned that this is the weakest Premier League in memory - which makes the fact we are going down even more galling.
Would I object to Pearson? No - maybe he would knock some heads together and clear out the rubbish. However, he might cause more friction too - didn't the players all hate Gary McAllister when he was here?
If we could get him Moyes would be my choice.
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Pat Murphy reckons it's Pearson.
murphy has got his head buried underneath the sand
With his contacts and years of journalistic experience, he's probably got far more of a clue as to what's going than most who post on here.
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Pat Murphy reckons it's Pearson.
murphy has got his head buried underneath the sand
With his contacts and years of journalistic experience, he's probably got far more of a clue as to what's going than most who post on here.
I don't think you need years of journalistic experience to come up with Pearson's name. Most of the posters on here have mentioned him for the last 3 months. It's a lazy obvious appointment and i hope the club will wait at least till the summer and seriously investigate who else might be tempted. If they then decide Pearson is the best bet then fair enough
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then be afriad
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and afraid too!
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Affray is what Pearson will bring.
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A Leicester fans opinion of Pearson;
I've never felt like the club was in better hands than when he was in charge. He changed the club form top to bottom, not just on the pitch but also off it. He revolutionised the scouting and sports science departments, he doesn't accept things being run badly behind the scenes and will control almost everything. He'd sort you out and give you a great setup to be proud of... if he was given the time to do so, we've profited massively from all the setup he left behind.
The players and almost all the staff absolutely loved him. The person you see in front of the camera is not the person you'd meet in the street, or the one that works with the players. He hates the press, his issues come from that. He can seem boring etc, but it just comes from him not wanting to give anything away. It's all behind closed doors stuff as far as he's concerned, he does it to protect the players.
He's not perfect by any means, tactically he can be frustrating sometimes. He'll stick with tactics and players too long if they aren't working out of loyalty to the players, but he'll get there eventually. What he'll give you though is a young exciting teams, playing with pace and wingers. A team with great spirit that will run through brick walls for each other. You'll feel proud of your club and team again, you'll start the get that affinity with players that you've probably been lacking for some time (we were as well until he came in).
He won't spend money for the sake of it. When he was here it was almost like he treated the money as his own, if he signed someone huge amounts of work went into making sure they were the right people, as well as decent players. They always tried to get "value", that was one of his key words. Scouring the country and Europe for bargains, rather than just chucking millions at the normal names or has beens.
Recruitment is key for Pearson, and that's where the problem is. Steve Walsh, his right hand man is still with us (to anyone wondering why he's not got a job yet, that's why). Will he want to drop down to the championship from a team probably going to be in the champions league... and will you pay the £1m+ that it would take to get him. Without Walsh, I'm not sure I'd have exactly the same faith in Pearson being able to turn you around. With him, I'm positive he could do it.
People need to ignore the shit from last year, that was really blown out of all proportion. He called someone an Ostrich FFS, managers have and will do a damn site worse than that. In all the years he was here, they'd all past of without incident prior to last season, and half of that was all stirred up by the press. Mainly because they hate the fact he is a closed book, he won't give them anything to work with.
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I`d be happy with Pearson, we need a change of direction, we've had the bland to the downright invisible running the team over the last five years, Pearson will take the whole emphasis in a new direction, some of the lazy money-grabbing, thieving passengers currently on the books would get it full-bore hopefully - if he only lasted five minutes as long as he spent them with the Zog............
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For all the anti Pearson people on here, then it is a good job we are not looking at someone like Alex Ferguson! Look at the run ins he had with the press (the boot at Beckham's face etc.......)
We need a strong Manager to sort out this mess (I am not saying it should be Pearson) but we need a Saunders type of character, who can rebuild this club, he will need to be backed not only with players in, but also with regards to getting rid of players, Garde looks like he could have done the job, but for me he just wants to get back to France!
We don't want a Monk and heaven help us if we get Bruce (i Will not be going down the Villa if that happens)
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That report above sounds word-for-word as if it were written about the "good" Martin O'Neill.
And so we come full circle.
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Dave, I was about to post the same thing, word for word.
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Very interesting perspective Ads, and I see a lot of sense in what is written. However, from the many Leicester fans I know Pearson was largely unliked for his arrogant and boarish manner, sticking with failing tactics, although he clearly kept much of the focus on himself to the benefit of the team. The comments regarding the importance of Walsh is of particular interest, as clearly it's as much about getting the backroom set up right.
I'm very much in two minds about Pearson. I regard him as an unsavoury buffoon, but if he were to be appointed as Villa manager, he would be our unsavoury buffoon who I would support nonetheless.
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For all the anti Pearson people on here, then it is a good job we are not looking at someone like Alex Ferguson! Look at the run ins he had with the press (the boot at Beckham's face etc.......)
So to paraphrase "for the people on here who don't want a shit manager, it's a good thing we're not looking at a good manager!"
How does that work then?
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That report above sounds word-for-word as if it were written about the "good" Martin O'Neill.
And so we come full circle.
I was about to say that myself.
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Who was it he told to "fuck off and die" then?
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Ernest Hemingway famously said when he read the word "culture" it made him reach for his gun. The phrase about footballers "running through brick walls" has the same effect on me.
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The Leicester fan mentions scouting and value for money. Not sure what they have in common with O'Neill!
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I saw Pearson's Leicester in the Champsionship several times. Very well drilled, tactically smart. I still dont want a British manager but he is a decent choice if we must. He is insane mind, but then again so is Rodgers, who is also decent.
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As has been said, why go for any manager who cannot bring his own backroom staff? We've already been bitten on the arse by this with both Sherwood and Garde.
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The Leicester fan mentions scouting and value for money. Not sure what they have in common with O'Neill!
To be fair, and I am loathed to be to MON, who in my mind is a bit of a lazy fucker, I think at Leicester he did get value for money signings that he brought in.
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The Leicester fan mentions scouting and value for money. Not sure what they have in common with O'Neill!
Cast your mind back to O'Neill's first couple of seasons - when the main complaint was that he was "spending the money like it was his own" and the General was pretty clear that the board wanted him to spend more than he was.
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I couldn't support a team managed by Pearson. Regardless of what he might be able to get out of our players, having someone that left his last job following a racist sex tape (not to mention having pinned down an opposition player by the throat, threatening journalists and all the other aggressive 'banter' from him last season) in charge of the Villa genuinely makes me think it's not worth it. I've always loved Villa because, no matter how crap we are on the pitch, we tend to do the right thing off it. If we go down the route of employing people like Pearson, any success would be so hollow. That's assuming there would be any, which is a completely different debate.
This probably sounds very 'holier than thou' and I can fully understand people thinking me incredibly pretentious for this, but how the club conducts itself has always meant more to me than results. Pearson is a nasty piece of work that should not be even considered for any job at the club. I'd rather watch us in the conference.
And it will be a cold day in hell when I take the advice of a Leicester fan about anything other than where to buy ridiculous clappy plastic pieces of shit.
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Pearson managed my first love CUFC (Villa are my glory team :o)
For me its the other way around Carlisle are my glory team!
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I couldn't support a team managed by Pearson. Regardless of what he might be able to get out of our players, having someone that left his last job following a racist sex tape (not to mention having pinned down an opposition player by the throat, threatening journalists and all the other aggressive 'banter' from him last season) in charge of the Villa genuinely makes me think it's not worth it. I've always loved Villa because, no matter how crap we are on the pitch, we tend to do the right thing off it. If we go down the route of employing people like Pearson, any success would be so hollow. That's assuming there would be any, which is a completely different debate.
This probably sounds very 'holier than thou' and I can fully understand people thinking me incredibly pretentious for this, but how the club conducts itself has always meant more to me than results. Pearson is a nasty piece of work that should not be even considered for any job at the club. I'd rather watch us in the conference.
And it will be a cold day in hell when I take the advice of a Leicester fan about anything other than where to buy ridiculous clappy plastic pieces of shit.
Apart from the last paragraph this is pretty much how I feel. Villa have been my team ever since I can remember, but the thought of Pearson is difficult for me to accept. My son saw boozey's comment and thought I had posted it.
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Maybe we should enquire whether Eddie Howe feels he has taken Bournemouth as far as he can
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Pearson isn't my choice - far from it. However, I'm sick of seeing Garde's sad face on the bench when we are getting beaten with a look of resigned defeat and utter helplessness written across it. This lot have broken him. I want to see a manager whose face alone will strike fear into these overpaid, jumped up arseholes so that they come back for the second half under no illusion about the consequences of taking the piss out of him and us.
If it takes sacrificing some idealogies about our manager to cleanse this rotten club of its cancer then sign me up to it, because make no mistake the Championship is no place for nice guys.
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I couldn't support a team managed by Pearson. Regardless of what he might be able to get out of our players, having someone that left his last job following a racist sex tape (not to mention having pinned down an opposition player by the throat, threatening journalists and all the other aggressive 'banter' from him last season) in charge of the Villa genuinely makes me think it's not worth it. I've always loved Villa because, no matter how crap we are on the pitch, we tend to do the right thing off it. If we go down the route of employing people like Pearson, any success would be so hollow. That's assuming there would be any, which is a completely different debate.
Sex tapes and racism. Yorkie and Bosnich in drag, secretly filming the 4 women they shagged and Bosnich giving a Nazi salute to Spurs fans at White Hart Lane. It would have been a brave Villa fan calling for them or their manager to be sacked at the time.
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I want to see a manager whose face alone will strike fear into these overpaid, jumped up arseholes so that they come back for the second half under no illusion about the consequences of taking the piss out of him and us.
Is Iain Dowie available though?
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I couldn't support a team managed by Pearson. Regardless of what he might be able to get out of our players, having someone that left his last job following a racist sex tape (not to mention having pinned down an opposition player by the throat, threatening journalists and all the other aggressive 'banter' from him last season) in charge of the Villa genuinely makes me think it's not worth it. I've always loved Villa because, no matter how crap we are on the pitch, we tend to do the right thing off it. If we go down the route of employing people like Pearson, any success would be so hollow. That's assuming there would be any, which is a completely different debate.
Sex tapes and racism. Yorkie and Bosnich in drag, secretly filming the 4 women they shagged and Bosnich giving a Nazi salute to Spurs fans at White Hart Lane. It would have been a brave Villa fan calling for them or their manager to be sacked at the time.
I also think it's a little unfair to blame Pearson for the tape, when it didn't really have anything to do with him personally.
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Boozey you express my views exactly. Aston Villa FC are the bricks and mortar of football history not a concrete gnome with a fishing rod in the garden of the game. I am proud to be a Villa fan and that pride runs deeper than my shame at the performances of the players.
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A futile debate I think.
Unless we get rid of the useless, half arsed, self serving dildos who masquerade as professional footballers who is manager is immaterial.
By my reckoning we have 4 definitely worth keeping + 2 punts in the league below
Bye bye
Guzan
Bunn
Hutton
Bacuna
Richards
Richardson
Gabby
Lescott
Westwood
Clark
Baker
need to be binned. Probably missed one or two
Contracts up this season - Nzogbia, Richardson, both are likely to retire imo
Good luck trying to shift the rest of the crew
http://astonvillacentral.com/squad/contracts/
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If Pearson is coming, I kind of hope they bring him in straight away, just to troll the squad.
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Gary Monk / Brendan Rodgers
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I'd be happy with Rodgers.
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I couldn't support a team managed by Pearson. Regardless of what he might be able to get out of our players, having someone that left his last job following a racist sex tape (not to mention having pinned down an opposition player by the throat, threatening journalists and all the other aggressive 'banter' from him last season) in charge of the Villa genuinely makes me think it's not worth it. I've always loved Villa because, no matter how crap we are on the pitch, we tend to do the right thing off it. If we go down the route of employing people like Pearson, any success would be so hollow. That's assuming there would be any, which is a completely different debate.
Sex tapes and racism. Yorkie and Bosnich in drag, secretly filming the 4 women they shagged and Bosnich giving a Nazi salute to Spurs fans at White Hart Lane. It would have been a brave Villa fan calling for them or their manager to be sacked at the time.
I also think it's a little unfair to blame Pearson for the tape, when it didn't really have anything to do with him personally.
It might be a bit harsh, but while he didn't have anything to do with it, I'm pretty sure he lost his job as a result. It was probably a case of him sticking up for his son, which while sort of understandable, but when you add it to everything else that went on last season, he doesn't come out of it very well.
As for Bosnich and Yorke, that's a fair comment. I was too young to remember it with much clarity, but didn't it only come out after they'd gone to Man U? Not that there would have been any call for them to be sacked if not... And the Nazi salute, I seem to remember Bosnich being pretty distraught that he'd been 'misunderstood'. Again, I might be wrong about that. If it helps, I wouldn't want either near our club nowadays!
There's always the risk that when you set your stall out as being 'better' than others, that you'll be caught being hypocritical. It's a battle you can never really win. Still, I'd rather we fought on the right side.
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Problem with Mark Bosnich and Dwight Yorke was that they thought they are a lot cleverer than they actually are. Dwight Yorke is as thick as a plank, Bosnich two.
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If Pearson is coming, I kind of hope they bring him in straight away, just to troll the squad.
Good call, I reckon the entire squad would get their mummies to 'phone them in sick with colds.
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Problem with Mark Bosnich and Dwight Yorke was that they thought they are a lot cleverer than they actually are. Dwight Yorke is as thick as a plank, Bosnich two.
Talking of which, I see Dwight Yorke has been touting himself for the job in the press again.
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I don't like Pearson the individual based on the bits I've seen of him. He appears an arrogant prick with the media and there's that one well documented incident with the fans that is less than tasteful. And off course it would mean Pat Murphy loving us a lot less than he already does it that's possible.
But what makes him a shit manager? Is he great? Probably not. But shit? Two promotions, and whether you like it or not despite spending a good chunk of the season at the foot of the PL table the football he got his side playing at the end was outstanding. He spent very little on players who are now worth multi millions. The spine of that side was built by him in Schmeichal, Huth, Drinkwater, Vardy and Mahrez. He also signed Albrighton I believe. His players appeared to like him and he should be given a lot of the credit for what Leicester even if it is arguable that they could have achieved as much as they have under Ranieri.
If it is him he's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. But I support Aston Villa and not the manager. So as much as I would prefer Rodgers or Moyes for example, they might not want to be a part of our future. I want a manager genuinely does and won't require loads of money to convince him we are the right job for him.
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If Pearson is coming, I kind of hope they bring him in straight away, just to troll the squad.
Good call, I reckon the entire squad would get their mummies to 'phone them in sick with colds.
Perhaps it would be better if he just watched from the stands and judged from there? Then start for real at the end of the season with the biggest clear out they can muster?
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As we have seen in the past clear outs are really difficult. I would rather a manager get the best out of the players we have as the clear out takes place. That is not create another bomb squad or find that by ostracizing players we reduce their value. We've been down that road before and it doesn't work. We clearly need to get rid of certain individuals but we are not going to move them all on and bring in the equivalent replacements. And then expect them all to blend together. The new manager needs to be astute in how that is done and also have the ability to resurrect some careers. They are not all bad players at Aston Villa but all of them lack confidence and leadership.
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i dreamt that bbc 6 music dj steve lamacq was appointed as villa manager last night...
i don't think he could do any worse.
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If Pearson is coming, I kind of hope they bring him in straight away, just to troll the squad.
If Pearson is coming, I'm going. Fucking shambles and for me would show the 'new' board are as bad as the old. As another couple posters said, be very afraid.
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Pearson's assistants from his time at Leicester (Walsh and Shakespeare) are still there and reportedly on the verge of signing a new deal. Surely we'll learn from our mistakes as Garde had this problem.
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I can't see what they would ever want to give up on their chance to partake in CL football to be assistant coaches in the Championship. It maybe their one opportunity ever and they have it so good right now. They would be fools not to sign new deals.
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You are 100% correct in my opinion TV.
The same goes for why would Rogers, Moyes etc want to drop into the Championship.
Monk may see it as rehabilitation but would he want to work for Lerner?
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I think I'd be inclined to sound Chris Coleman out. He's done a decent job with Wales, but may well fancy a return to Club Football after the Euros. He'll also know the Championship well, as that's the main pool for his scouting of players. The difficulty will be that he'd probably also fancy taking the current Welsh squad through World Cup qualification and really cementing his place in Welsh Footballing history.
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Simon Grayson, anyone?
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Dave - if we are looking for ex Villa men, then yes...I'd rather have him than Dean Saunders!
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i dreamt that bbc 6 music dj steve lamacq was appointed as villa manager last night...
i don't think he could do any worse.
Why on earth would he give up following Colchester home and away to manage us? And he's on air until 6pm so night matches would be a bit of a rush.
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Simon Grayson, anyone?
Only if every other team in the league has to comply with this rule of having a former player as manager. And he'd have to stay in the job a long time too.
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If Pearson is coming, I kind of hope they bring him in straight away, just to troll the squad.
If Pearson is coming, I'm going. Fucking shambles and for me would show the 'new' board are as bad as the old. As another couple posters said, be very afraid.
Yep, I'm amazed that anyone would want Pearson. He seemed like a man of the verge of a breakdown towards the end of his time at Leicester. I would also have thought that Leicester's meteoric rise this season would have diminished any credit that he'd gained for simply keeping them up last season. Granted, they've signed a couple of new players, but to go from just surviving under Pearson to the verge of winning the league under Ranieri sounds a bit of an alarm bell for me!!
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I think we've gone beyond experimental left field choices. I want SAF out of retirement now. He's soon sort these fuckwits out
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Simon Grayson, anyone?
If Brian Litttle's involved in the decision making, he's almost guaranteed to be a name under consideration I would have thought.
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I don't want Pearson. Most of the reasons have already been covered in the other posts. Moyes would be great - but if he would go to a Championship club next year - he would probably chose the Barcodes. Sean Dyche would be second option - but Burnley will go up for sure. How about Simon Grayson? Foreign managers with English football experience - Di Matteo?
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I want a dream ticket of Dwight Yorke and Kevin McDonald.
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The concern I have with Pearson is for a large part of his career he was a coach supporting a manager, then he went into management and did a good job at Leicester, however, he seemed to lose the plot more and more each week once he was in the fish bowl media frenzy that is the Premier League. Now, this was at a club like Leicester. Imagine how much worse he would potentially be at a club like ours which let's face it gets more negative column inches than I've had hot dinners. I think he might actually self combust under the pressure.
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simon grayson, er NO, Pearson er NO that would be like appointing Donald Trump.
We cant fuck about, Again.
Steve Bruce (for the fuckwits yes he did manage small heath)
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Simon Grayson, anyone?
Doing well at Preston and has had good records at other clubs he's managed.
Let's face it, there won't be shortage of managers interested in coming here.
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I want a dream ticket of Dwight Yorke and Kevin McDonald.
I'm not sure I want to experience too many of your dreams, Kippax
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I'll stick with Bruce as first choice, Gary Monk as outsider.
There is nothing in the rules to say our manager has to be an ex Villa player however I think if you're an outsider you just don't get us and how to manage our expectations - see David O'Leary/Gerard Houllier. Occasionally we get people who become Villa men, Graham Taylor/Martin O'Neill but these are few and far between.
Steve Bruce knows midlands football and appreciates what Aston Villa are about. He's a seasoned Championship veteran and decent players sign for him. Can see Curtis Davies coming is as Captain if this happens, Eric Black is his ready made assistant and I would like to see Nigel Spink return as Goalkeeping Coach (although to be honest I'd put him in nets for the rest of this season). Bruce just needs need to sort out his differences with Lee Hendrie and its a done deal for me.
I liked Gary Monk at Swansea, he always came across very positive in his approach which I don't get from Remi but he's a gamble and unfortunately our days of throwing 6 darts for a speedboat are over, maybe one for the shortlist next time.
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Swansea are a basket case now too. I wonder whether Monk got a decent first season or so on the back of being a player and captain, but then could not sustain it. Their fans reading the report and comments at the time thought he was miles out of his depth. If we went young, I would sooner give Robinson a shot from MK Dons.
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My personal opinion on Gary Monk is that he was an appointment from within and seen as a smooth transition to manage a club whose style of play had been laid down, quite successfully since the days of Roberto Martinez. Subsequent managers may have tinkered and tweaked it a bit but, it was basically the same style. Under Gary Monk, Swansea were only heading one way and that was down. Swansea took the option to bin him and to be honest, I don't know who their current manager is. Is it still Alan Curtis in a caretaker role? Anyway, as far as Monk is concerned, it's a big no from me. Frying pans and fires and all that.
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It is the most important managerial decision since 1987 and (given the money involved) possibly ever so knee jerk is not the way to go.
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My personal opinion on Gary Monk is that he was an appointment from within and seen as a smooth transition to manage a club whose style of play had been laid down, quite successfully since the days of Roberto Martinez. Subsequent managers may have tinkered and tweaked it a bit but, it was basically the same style. Under Gary Monk, Swansea were only heading one way and that was down. Swansea took the option to bin him and to be honest, I don't know who their current manager is. Is it still Alan Curtis in a caretaker role? Anyway, as far as Monk is concerned, it's a big no from me. Frying pans and fires and all that.
Francesco Guidolin.
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I know we'd all like to see that bunch of slackers kicked up a height and in fear of putting in a bad performance, and Pearson would undoubtedly do that. However I just can't see past him as a basket case with the potential for self destruction when under too much stress. I think SAF gave him the advice to attack the press as it sent out a message to all watching that he was fighting for his club, whether or not he meant it, press conferences are an arena for perception rather than reality. That said, touchline battles with players and general lunacy are not worth the gamble.
For me, Steve Bruce is the safest pair of hands without being particularly exciting, but he has a good promotion track record and has a lot of experience in the championship and finding good players at that level. Would he be great in the premiership, probably not, but that's no longer something we can plan for.
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Has anyone vouched for "Curbs" yet? Surely it must be his turn in the hotseat, this is the opportunity he's been holding out for over a decade :)
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Pearson is the only sensible option
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if the pressure got to Pearson at Leicester, wait until he rocks up at Villa
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if the pressure got to Pearson at Leicester, wait until he rocks up at Villa
However, appointing Mad Nige might quieten down my mate Mark. He's our chief manager-yeller-atter in the LTR
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I think its worth sticking with Garde. He has said time again about the lack of quality we have, has identified the trouble makers and isn't afraid to call them on it. Giving him the opportunity to get rid of the deadwood and rebuild seems better than getting a new manager who has to spend x amount of time getting to this point.
But you never know with us, we could be in Valencia approaching Neville or taking Yorkes offer seriously. If we do get rid I would wait till the end of the season as there will be more to pick from based on who doesn't come up.
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Simon Grayson, anyone?
I said the other day if Little is choosing Grayson has a great chance.
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Pearson is an understandable option with his assistants. Without them he is a bull in a China shop without a handler.
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It is the most important managerial decision since 1987 and (given the money involved) possibly ever so knee jerk is not the way to go.
I think the most important managerial decision since 1987 was replacing Sherwood. We've already blown that one.
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Justin Edinburgh could be a decent manager given half the chance
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I personally feel that the DoF appointment is more important - get that right and you never know, a seemingly unattainable Manager may fancy the challenge.
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I personally feel that the DoF appointment is more important - get that right and you never know, a seemingly unattainable Manager may fancy the challenge.
that's why if Garde does get canned this week, I don't think we will be in a rush to appoint a replacement. The new Director of Football should have a significant role to play with whoever the next manager will be. They will need to work closely together.
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The Daily Heil are linking us with Anderlecht coach, Besnik Hasi.
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The Daily Heil are linking us with Anderlecht coach, Besnik Hasi.
Not only have I never heard of him, I've never come across either his first or last names as words.
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The Daily Heil are linking us with Anderlecht coach, Besnik Hasi.
Not only have I never heard of him, I've never come across either his first or last names as words.
Here he is, Monty..
https://twitter.com/tsf/status/499210229394202626
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Sure we're not signing him for the first team rather than as a manager?
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The ball actually went forward, so he's better than Westy already
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I personally feel that the DoF appointment is more important - get that right and you never know, a seemingly unattainable Manager may fancy the challenge.
I think choosing the DoF and manager as part of the same package is a must. They must have the same philosophy and outlook on the direction the club and players need to go. The last thing we need is to appoint those two indpendently without thinking through how they need to operate togerther.
Not doing that would be typical of the muddled thinking of the last five years. Hopefully Bernstein won't allow it to happen.
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Pearson is the only sensible option
I don't think that is very sensible, he's a tool and an Ostrich
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Pearson is the only sensible option
I don't think that is very sensible, he's a tool and an Ostrich
He's not an ostrich, he hasn't got his head in the sand. Have you got your head in the sand?
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Pearson is the only sensible option
I don't think that is very sensible, he's a tool and an Ostrich
He's not an ostrich, he hasn't got his head in the sand. Have you got your head in the sand?
Following Leicester’s 0-0 draw with Hull, Pearson was riled when a reporter asked him whether his team were “waxing” or waning” in the relegation run-in. “I don’t have to use that sort of analogy,” he responded. “We are in the same position. We’ve got ten games left, six games at home, and our home form has to be drastically improved for us to give ourselves the best chance. That’s it. You got any more questions you want to ask? Obviously not.” Pearson can then clearly be heard saying: “’Waxing or waning?’, fucking hell. My arse,” before getting up and appearing to utter the word: “Prick.”
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/30/nigel-pearson-rant-full-leicester
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Pearson is the only sensible option
I don't think that is very sensible, he's a tool and an Ostrich
He's not an ostrich, he hasn't got his head in the sand. Have you got your head in the sand?
Following Leicester’s 0-0 draw with Hull, Pearson was riled when a reporter asked him whether his team were “waxing” or waning” in the relegation run-in. “I don’t have to use that sort of analogy,” he responded. “We are in the same position. We’ve got ten games left, six games at home, and our home form has to be drastically improved for us to give ourselves the best chance. That’s it. You got any more questions you want to ask? Obviously not.” Pearson can then clearly be heard saying: “’Waxing or waning?’, fucking hell. My arse,” before getting up and appearing to utter the word: “Prick.”
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/30/nigel-pearson-rant-full-leicester
The perfect answer as far as I can see...
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Will suit a lot on here.
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Pearson is the only sensible option
I don't think that is very sensible, he's a tool and an Ostrich
He's not an ostrich, he hasn't got his head in the sand. Have you got your head in the sand?
Following Leicester’s 0-0 draw with Hull, Pearson was riled when a reporter asked him whether his team were “waxing” or waning” in the relegation run-in. “I don’t have to use that sort of analogy,” he responded. “We are in the same position. We’ve got ten games left, six games at home, and our home form has to be drastically improved for us to give ourselves the best chance. That’s it. You got any more questions you want to ask? Obviously not.” Pearson can then clearly be heard saying: “’Waxing or waning?’, fucking hell. My arse,” before getting up and appearing to utter the word: “Prick.”
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/30/nigel-pearson-rant-full-leicester
Clearly has the class for the job. Ahem.........
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Will suit a lot on here.
He won't suit me.
Reminds me of those people from my childhood who were bullies but in a position of authority so you couldn't say anything to them without getting it in the neck even if they were in the wrong. PE teachers who also did Geography usually...
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if the pressure got to Pearson at Leicester, wait until he rocks up at Villa
However, appointing Mad Nige might quieten down my mate Mark. He's our chief manager-yeller-atter in the LTR
CRAP !
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I can't think of a single example in English football where a Director of Football model has worked. Plenty of disasters though (Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle).
I don't want us to go down that route, I would just like a good manager, with a chairman that backs them where appropriate and reigns in spending where necessary (this is what didn't happen with MON in latter years). Looking at some of the linked names:
I wasn't keen on Pearson, but having seen what Leicester fans say about him I am coming round to the idea.
I don't dislike Bruce, limited as he is he can certainly manage a mid budget Championship team through promotion and has done so at multiple clubs. Not inspiring, but in the absence of an open chequebook nobody inspiring is likely to join us.
I definitely do not want the Anderlecht coach we have been linked with. Too much like a cheap risky option ala Garde, which has not worked out.
Di Matteo is a big no (linked in the Evening mail).
Clarke is a big no (linked in the Evening Mail).
Dyche could be OK, has certainly done well where he is.
Would like Eddie Howe, who is in a similar position to GT when he left a better run smaller club (Watford) for an opportunity to work with a basket case recently relegated Villa. You never know.
Grayson could be decent appointment.
At least we haven't been linked with Holloway or Warnock yet.
Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones. Garde patently obviously can't do that, so is dead man walking now.
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I can't think of a single example in English football where a Director of Football model has worked. Plenty of disasters though (Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle).
I don't want us to go down that route, I would just like a good manager, with a chairman that backs them where appropriate and reigns in spending where necessary (this is what didn't happen with MON in latter years). Looking at some of the linked names:
I wasn't keen on Pearson, but having seen what Leicester fans say about him I am coming round to the idea.
I don't dislike Bruce, limited as he is he can certainly manage a mid budget Championship team through promotion and has done so at multiple clubs. Not inspiring, but in the absence of an open chequebook nobody inspiring is likely to join us.
I definitely do not want the Anderlecht coach we have been linked with. Too much like a cheap risky option ala Garde, which has not worked out.
Di Matteo is a big no (linked in the Evening mail).
Clarke is a big no (linked in the Evening Mail).
Dyche could be OK, has certainly done well where he is.
Would like Eddie Howe, who is in a similar position to GT when he left a better run smaller club (Watford) for an opportunity to work with a basket case recently relegated Villa. You never know.
Grayson could be decent appointment.
At least we haven't been linked with Holloway or Warnock yet.
Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones. Garde patently obviously can't do that, so is dead man walking now.
that is the real doomsday scenario in my opinion
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My thoughts exactly oldtimer.
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I couldn't support a team managed by Pearson. Regardless of what he might be able to get out of our players, having someone that left his last job following a racist sex tape (not to mention having pinned down an opposition player by the throat, threatening journalists and all the other aggressive 'banter' from him last season) in charge of the Villa genuinely makes me think it's not worth it. I've always loved Villa because, no matter how crap we are on the pitch, we tend to do the right thing off it. If we go down the route of employing people like Pearson, any success would be so hollow. That's assuming there would be any, which is a completely different debate.
This probably sounds very 'holier than thou' and I can fully understand people thinking me incredibly pretentious for this, but how the club conducts itself has always meant more to me than results. Pearson is a nasty piece of work that should not be even considered for any job at the club. I'd rather watch us in the conference.
And it will be a cold day in hell when I take the advice of a Leicester fan about anything other than where to buy ridiculous clappy plastic pieces of shit.
Righto.
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I think a clear-out suddenly becomes easier when you're dropping down a division, provided there are relegation clauses with commensurate wage cuts.
So hopefully we will be starting next season with a new-look side.
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I would ask him how much he wants and get Bielsa. Perfect to set the standard over the next 2-3 years, plays decent football and is that batshit mental would have the character to marmalise the malcontents in the dressing room.
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Pearson is the only sensible option
I don't think that is very sensible, he's a tool and an Ostrich
He's not an ostrich, he hasn't got his head in the sand. Have you got your head in the sand?
Following Leicester’s 0-0 draw with Hull, Pearson was riled when a reporter asked him whether his team were “waxing” or waning” in the relegation run-in. “I don’t have to use that sort of analogy,” he responded. “We are in the same position. We’ve got ten games left, six games at home, and our home form has to be drastically improved for us to give ourselves the best chance. That’s it. You got any more questions you want to ask? Obviously not.” Pearson can then clearly be heard saying: “’Waxing or waning?’, fucking hell. My arse,” before getting up and appearing to utter the word: “Prick.”
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/30/nigel-pearson-rant-full-leicester
Sounds a lot like Ron Saunders to be honest
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Pearson is the only sensible option
I don't think that is very sensible, he's a tool and an Ostrich
He's not an ostrich, he hasn't got his head in the sand. Have you got your head in the sand?
Following Leicester’s 0-0 draw with Hull, Pearson was riled when a reporter asked him whether his team were “waxing” or waning” in the relegation run-in. “I don’t have to use that sort of analogy,” he responded. “We are in the same position. We’ve got ten games left, six games at home, and our home form has to be drastically improved for us to give ourselves the best chance. That’s it. You got any more questions you want to ask? Obviously not.” Pearson can then clearly be heard saying: “’Waxing or waning?’, fucking hell. My arse,” before getting up and appearing to utter the word: “Prick.”
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/30/nigel-pearson-rant-full-leicester
Sounds a lot like Ron Saunders to be honest
There's a few Villa fans who'd love it if he'd said that to Pat Murphy.
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Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones.
I think thats right, but I also do not think that is really such a disaster. Many of these players are decent or even good Championship players, hell some of them have been "ok" premier league players at various points.
They were unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, then told week after week by their boss that they were shite. I imagine thats taken a toll. A new start in a new league could get many of them back to a decent bit of form in the Championship.
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I would ask him how much he wants and get Bielsa. Perfect to set the standard over the next 2-3 years, plays decent football and is that batshit mental would have the character to marmalise the malcontents in the dressing room.
We can but dream.
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I would ask him how much he wants and get Bielsa. Perfect to set the standard over the next 2-3 years, plays decent football and is that batshit mental would have the character to marmalise the malcontents in the dressing room.
We can but dream.
Would be my first choice by a long way. A genuine football innovator. His teams play some lovely lovely stuff.
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If Bielsa comes we really must get him a seat. All that squatting in the technical area is very louche.
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He doesn't need a huge budget either and us happy to try to turn around failing clubs. He would probably have Gabby tarmaced into the BMH car park before he completed his first week.
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If Bielsa comes we really must get him a seat. All that squatting in the technical area is very louche.
No need for a seat, he can sit on Micah Richards.
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Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones.
I think thats right, but I also do not think that is really such a disaster. Many of these players are decent or even good Championship players, hell some of them have been "ok" premier league players at various points.
They were unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, then told week after week by their boss that they were shite. I imagine thats taken a toll. A new start in a new league could get many of them back to a decent bit of form in the Championship.
Agree, and that is why Garde has to go. Nice bloke, but not able to manage that set of players.
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Pearson is the only sensible option
I don't think that is very sensible, he's a tool and an Ostrich
He's not an ostrich, he hasn't got his head in the sand. Have you got your head in the sand?
Following Leicester’s 0-0 draw with Hull, Pearson was riled when a reporter asked him whether his team were “waxing” or waning” in the relegation run-in. “I don’t have to use that sort of analogy,” he responded. “We are in the same position. We’ve got ten games left, six games at home, and our home form has to be drastically improved for us to give ourselves the best chance. That’s it. You got any more questions you want to ask? Obviously not.” Pearson can then clearly be heard saying: “’Waxing or waning?’, fucking hell. My arse,” before getting up and appearing to utter the word: “Prick.”
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/30/nigel-pearson-rant-full-leicester
Sounds a lot like Ron Saunders to be honest
and that is exactly what I would be thinking. But I would have used a stronger word than prick.
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Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones.
I think thats right, but I also do not think that is really such a disaster. Many of these players are decent or even good Championship players, hell some of them have been "ok" premier league players at various points.
They were unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, then told week after week by their boss that they were shite. I imagine thats taken a toll. A new start in a new league could get many of them back to a decent bit of form in the Championship.
Unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, and told they were shite? Only one of those 4 statements rings true - because they are crap. Sooner we get rid the better - as OldTimer said, we are in serious trouble if the likes of Lescott, Richards, Westwood, Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Cissokho etc are anywhere near our first team squad next year.
They were told they are shite because they are. Remi was bang on.
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Saunders certainly treated the press and media with contempt. They have that in common.I also recall reports of him hanging one on Howard Gayle after a night club incident in Solihull involving Saunders daughter. So the ability to punch someones lights out aswell is a common trait.
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Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones.
I think thats right, but I also do not think that is really such a disaster. Many of these players are decent or even good Championship players, hell some of them have been "ok" premier league players at various points.
They were unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, then told week after week by their boss that they were shite. I imagine thats taken a toll. A new start in a new league could get many of them back to a decent bit of form in the Championship.
Unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, and told they were shite? Only one of those 4 statements rings true - because they are crap. Sooner we get rid the better - as OldTimer said, we are in serious trouble if the likes of Lescott, Richards, Westwood, Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Cissokho etc are anywhere near our first team squad next year.
They were told they are shite because they are. Remi was bang on.
I've got an idea. Why don't we try to alienate them as much as possible. Maybe play them in the youth team and tell them they have no future at Villa. They'll all be queuing up to leave we'll save a fortune in wages. Such a brilliant plan I can't think why no one has thought of it before...
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Get Pearson in until the end of the season and if he keeps us up give him a 3 year deal. If we go down then he leaves no strings attached.
Or give sir Brian the job if we can't persuade the next incumbent to take the job now, I think using the last 6/7 games to assess the squad would be more useful now than in the summer as I'm sure whoever comes in will have to say "They all start with a clean slate" so may as well do it now so we can have a pre summer clear out and have the whole summer to rebuild and have a proper pre season.
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Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones.
I think thats right, but I also do not think that is really such a disaster. Many of these players are decent or even good Championship players, hell some of them have been "ok" premier league players at various points.
They were unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, then told week after week by their boss that they were shite. I imagine thats taken a toll. A new start in a new league could get many of them back to a decent bit of form in the Championship.
Unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, and told they were shite? Only one of those 4 statements rings true - because they are crap. Sooner we get rid the better - as OldTimer said, we are in serious trouble if the likes of Lescott, Richards, Westwood, Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Cissokho etc are anywhere near our first team squad next year.
They were told they are shite because they are. Remi was bang on.
I've got an idea. Why don't we try to alienate them as much as possible. Maybe play them in the youth team and tell them they have no future at Villa. They'll all be queuing up to leave we'll save a fortune in wages. Such a brilliant plan I can't think why no one has thought of it before...
That would be the N'Zogbia strategy.
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In most walks of life you would leave as the humiliation would be too much, footballers are a different breed though.
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Get Pearson in until the end of the season and if he keeps us up give him a 3 year deal. If we go down then he leaves no strings attached.
I would give him 20 million and he would be the new Jesus
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If Pearson is the bullying type to of manager then maybe that's what. We want right now I'm sure he won't allow cliques to develop in the dressing room.
Just don't let his son go to Thailand or if he does can I go with him
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Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones. Garde patently obviously can't do that, so is dead man walking now.
I don't understand why you assert the bit in bold.
1. Several will get bought cos they're in demand (if only from the promoted clubs)
2. Some will have relegation clauses
3. One or two are on contracts that expire in July.
It's perfectly possible that the squad will be largely different, with a core from the current one. We will undoubtedly promote some of the youngsters from the reserves. Baker, Gardner and Robinson will return from loan periods away. And, the board will probably stump up some cash in the hope of an immediate return.
What does this mean for choice of new manager? - someone who has a good network for recruiting and someone who can bring a new squad together quickly and with an ethos of togetherness, hard work and desire to learn. And, someone who can coach the players to defend and exploit set pieces (something we've failed to do for 5-6 seasons).
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Valid point on Wm (for a change) which I totally agree with.
The choice of manager is going to be more important than than the amount of money they throw at the squad.
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Whatever happens Garde has to go. He was dealt a shit hand by the board, but regardless of that he is unable to work with the squad we have, and anyone managing us next year will have to work predominantly with existing players minus all the best ones.
I think thats right, but I also do not think that is really such a disaster. Many of these players are decent or even good Championship players, hell some of them have been "ok" premier league players at various points.
They were unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, then told week after week by their boss that they were shite. I imagine thats taken a toll. A new start in a new league could get many of them back to a decent bit of form in the Championship.
Unlucky, poorly managed, low on confidence, and told they were shite? Only one of those 4 statements rings true - because they are crap. Sooner we get rid the better - as OldTimer said, we are in serious trouble if the likes of Lescott, Richards, Westwood, Bacuna, Agbonlahor, Cissokho etc are anywhere near our first team squad next year.
They were told they are shite because they are. Remi was bang on.
I've got an idea. Why don't we try to alienate them as much as possible. Maybe play them in the youth team and tell them they have no future at Villa. They'll all be queuing up to leave we'll save a fortune in wages. Such a brilliant plan I can't think why no one has thought of it before...
as opposed treating them like cup cakes and trying to massage their over inflated self worth. Such a brilliant plan I can't think why no-one has thought of it before ...
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Ah....the old carrot/stick argument.
Think it's accepted that the best form of management is a constantly altering percentage of both. Always judging how much to apply to each individual.
I'm pretty sure though that the best way of motivating your staff is not to sulk on the sidelines, avoid contact with your employees at critical periods constantly muttering negative comments about the hierarchy, despite how they've let you down.
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I like the notion of Pearson being Jesus. Dead by Easter.
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Get Pearson in until the end of the season and if he keeps us up give him a 3 year deal. If we go down then he leaves no strings attached.
Or give sir Brian the job if we can't persuade the next incumbent to take the job now, I think using the last 6/7 games to assess the squad would be more useful now than in the summer as I'm sure whoever comes in will have to say "They all start with a clean slate" so may as well do it now so we can have a pre summer clear out and have the whole summer to rebuild and have a proper pre season.
No offence mate but have you been keeping up? The next manager with be trying to take us out of the championship without question. Pep couldn't keep us in the Premier League.
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If Bielsa comes we really must get him a seat.
If Bielsa comes he can have any make of car he f***ing wants...
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Sorry cdw we can't have him driving. He will scare off the African Car Reverser.
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Ah....the old carrot/stick argument.
Think it's accepted that the best form of management is a constantly altering percentage of both. Always judging how much to apply to each individual.
I'm pretty sure though that the best way of motivating your staff is not to sulk on the sidelines, avoid contact with your employees at critical periods constantly muttering negative comments about the hierarchy, despite how they've let you down.
And you know these things as fact, how exactly? Of course, Lambert did the opposite (constantly told us all how terrific they were etc) and yet the results were similar.
One day the penny will drop that its the players ability that is the problem, not the managers ability.
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I like the notion of Pearson being Jesus. Dead by Easter.
Another similarity between Pearson and MON Then. His teams were always dead by Easter.
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If Bielsa comes we really must get him a seat.
If Bielsa comes he can have any make of car he f***ing wants...
It took me so long to get this, I am now shit scared I have early-onset dementia.
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I would ask him how much he wants and get Bielsa. Perfect to set the standard over the next 2-3 years, plays decent football and is that batshit mental would have the character to marmalise the malcontents in the dressing room.
We can but dream.
Would be my first choice by a long way. A genuine football innovator. His teams play some lovely lovely stuff.
Oh yes. We'd come come back with a fucking bang as well, no pissing about consolidating.
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Very tenuous link, but here goes - Chap I play football with is a family friend of Garry Parker's wife. Reckons Garry Parker is in some kind of caretaker role at Bolton for the time being but we have been in talks with Neil Lennon. Told him I hoped he was lying.
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I see Other is clear favourite on this forum.
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We need a manager with clout. Not to the extreme of MON, but at least Houllier level of authority. The one thing constant running through our dire run of managers is the amount of yes men eternally grateful for the job who "can't speak highly enough about Mr. Lerner" and then mutter about things not being right after they get the sack. To me that excludes the likes of Pearson, Bruce and co.
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Very tenuous link, but here goes - Chap I play football with is a family friend of Garry Parker's wife. Reckons Garry Parker is in some kind of caretaker role at Bolton for the time being but we have been in talks with Neil Lennon. Told him I hoped he was lying.
Jesus wept. Well, he got Bolton out of the Championship.
It's probably bollocks, but nothing would surprise me. I'm putting a tenner on Lennie Lawrence.
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When David Bernstein recruited Keegan for Man City, he said that there were 3 main reasons for hiring him. 1, his experience of getting promotions, 2, his man management and motivational qualities, and 3, style and flair of the football being played.
I'm going for Brendan Rodgers.
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When David Bernstein recruited Keegan for Man City, he said that there were 3 main reasons for hiring him. 1, his experience of getting promotions, 2, his man management and motivational qualities, and 3, style and flair of the football being played.
I'm going for Brendan Rodgers.
He'd be foolish if he took another job in this country. If I was him, I'd be looking to go abroad for my next move, as doing well on the continent should secure his reputation. Moyes' time in Spain was bad, but apart from the top clubs, he'll still get a decent job in this country. If Rodgers came to us and it went pear shaped, it could well be the career path Phil Brown took.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-rumour-mill-new-11075829#rlabs=1%20p$1
Never heard of him. At least it's a suggestion that we're looking beyond a narrow criteria.
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and then I read this from Bernstein and it makes me wonder a little about what they might be thinking.
New Aston Villa board member David Bernstein has admitted that manager Remi Garde is faced with a "very tough job".
Reports have surfaced suggesting that the Frenchman could leave the club during the international break having failed to lift the Villans off the bottom of the table since succeeding Tim Sherwood in November.
Bernstein revealed that he was impressed with Garde when he met him, but refused to give any assurances over his future.
"I had two and a half hours with him at my home last Wednesday. He came down and I had a very good meeting with him," Bernstein told reporters.
"He is a very civilised, dedicated, professional and passionate person. I have only met him once and I've got a lot of respect for him already but he's got a very tough job on."
And if Garde goes I don't think it will positioned as him being fired. But more mutual consent.
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Sam Allardyce said in an interview recently. "Strength between the ears is the most important thing. Players play in the Premier League mostly because their football intelligence is greater than those who play in the leagues below. Skill sets are very similar but it is the brain power that lets players use their skills that helps at the top level. You can still be a player of superb ability in League One or Two on a one –off basis, but sustaining it is the problem if that player comes into the Premier League.”
The likes of Richards, Lescott, and Guzan walk out the dressing rooms for the second half giggling like teenagers coming out of a lesson at school, having not listened to a word the teacher has said. Our captains have been Richards and Gabby and it strikes me that the rest of the squad don't have too many brain cells between them either, certainly the English ones anyway. Reading Ginola's comments earlier suggests this too - and Garde just can't get through to them.
If we're choosing a new manager to suit the group of players we'll be stuck with then we really should be looking at the local Sunday Leagues.
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Agree with you and Fat Sam Dekuip but would go one step further. I not only think top level players need good levels of intelligence, they need that intelligence to be channelled by having a stable character. I always like players like Mellberg, Laurson, Friedel and Bouma who exude normality and professional commitment. Those are the kind of players you can use as building blocks to build a team.
In the Lerner era we have had far too many players who are not only dim but lightweight as citizens.
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Gary Neville? Maybe as a no.2 if not manager. If we are ripping stuff up and starting again he might be a good fit.
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Not a chance. He wants the England gig.
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Bruce is a non-starter. Lerner would never sanction the cost of a new dugout to accomodate his massive conk.
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Just read on the BBC, that if Garde goes, then Coleman could be in line to be the next Manager
Jesus, the thought of Coleman at Villa makes me weep. He is ok for Wales, but he has been a useless club manager
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I'd say it's fairly unlikely he'd want to join before the Euros anyway. I reckon the press are just playing Manager Bingo at the moment.
Has Curbishley been linked yet?
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Just read on the BBC, that if Garde goes, then Coleman could be in line to be the next Manager
Jesus, the thought of Coleman at Villa makes me weep. He is ok for Wales, but he has been a useless club manager
ideal fit (sarcasm) under the current regeme
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Gary Fucking Neville? He's having an absolute fucking shocker in Spain. I'd rather keep Garde. I'd rather keep Sherwood
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Oddly having having never really wanted him before and having come off two unsuccessful stints as manager, I'm starting to want Moyes. Could just be down to the caliber of alternatives.
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Definitely not Gary Neville. At the moment, he's proving to be a brilliant talker and a shit do-er.
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Bruce is a non-starter. Lerner would never sanction the cost of a new dugout to accomodate his massive conk.
Just make him sit on the back row?
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Sam Allardyce said in an interview recently. "Strength between the ears is the most important thing. Players play in the Premier League mostly because their football intelligence is greater than those who play in the leagues below. Skill sets are very similar but it is the brain power that lets players use their skills that helps at the top level. You can still be a player of superb ability in League One or Two on a one –off basis, but sustaining it is the problem if that player comes into the Premier League.”
The likes of Richards, Lescott, and Guzan walk out the dressing rooms for the second half giggling like teenagers coming out of a lesson at school, having not listened to a word the teacher has said. Our captains have been Richards and Gabby and it strikes me that the rest of the squad don't have too many brain cells between them either, certainly the English ones anyway. Reading Ginola's comments earlier suggests this too - and Garde just can't get through to them.
If we're choosing a new manager to suit the group of players we'll be stuck with then we really should be looking at the local Sunday Leagues.
Completely agree with this. Guzan is another one. He always strikes me as being a complete Dumbo. It's his decision-making that makes him a bad keeper, not his ability. The same goes for Okore and Bacuna.
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IF we do not get the right Manager in, I fear that if we cannot get rid of the players who are taking the piss out of our club, we will slide down into Division 1 - just like Wolves did when they were relegated from the Premier League, they had a similar attitude from there supposed big time charlies!
Our lot cannot motivate themselves to play against Liverpool at home, I dread to think what will happen when we play on a Tuesday night at Brentford.
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Bruce is a non-starter. Lerner would never sanction the cost of a new dugout to accomodate his massive conk.
Plus we would have to start singing "STAND UP POTATO HEAD".
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Gary Fucking Neville? He's having an absolute fucking shocker in Spain. I'd rather keep Garde. I'd rather keep Sherwood
id thought previously about maybe getting Neville, mainly due to everyone wanking over how great a pundit he is/was. Results speak for themselves though. Obviously knows hat needs to be done, but unable to deliver. Not a crime, but wouldn't want a bar of him next season.
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and then I read this from Bernstein and it makes me wonder a little about what they might be thinking.
New Aston Villa board member David Bernstein has admitted that manager Remi Garde is faced with a "very tough job".
Reports have surfaced suggesting that the Frenchman could leave the club during the international break having failed to lift the Villans off the bottom of the table since succeeding Tim Sherwood in November.
Bernstein revealed that he was impressed with Garde when he met him, but refused to give any assurances over his future.
"I had two and a half hours with him at my home last Wednesday. He came down and I had a very good meeting with him," Bernstein told reporters.
"He is a very civilised, dedicated, professional and passionate person. I have only met him once and I've got a lot of respect for him already but he's got a very tough job on."
And if Garde goes I don't think it will positioned as him being fired. But more mutual consent.
Bernstein will be making the call on whether Garde is manager or not. If he was staying i would have thought he would have come out and said something along the lines of " Remi is the man to lead us through this difficult time etc', etc'". After a 2 and a half hour meeting, the silence tells me he is going.
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Gary Fucking Neville? He's having an absolute fucking shocker in Spain. I'd rather keep Garde. I'd rather keep Sherwood
Cos they've been great :-) Although I'm very much in the "does it really matter" category...
Brendan Rogers or Moyes if they could be pursuaded to buy into the new vision...again.
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I've just looked at the odds. Pearson is favourite (oh shit), followed by Garde, Monk and Bruce. You can get 150/1 on Mourinho.
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I've just looked at the odds. Pearson is favourite (oh shit), followed by Garde, Monk and Bruce. You can get 150/1 on Mourinho.
Mourinho must have a worse record at Villa Park than Garde?
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I've just looked at the odds. Pearson is favourite (oh shit), followed by Garde, Monk and Bruce. You can get 150/1 on Mourinho.
Mourinho must have a worse record at Villa Park than Garde?
In which case he's the ideal choice
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Some of these names male my skin crawl. How fucking depressing.
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Some of these names male my skin crawl. How fucking depressing.
Because the media are guessing at names for a job that isn't vacant?
How often have the media had the slightest idea what's going on with player or management recruitment at B6 over the last 10 years until it was all but a done deal.
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Some of these names male my skin crawl. How fucking depressing.
Because the media are guessing at names for a job that isn't vacant?
How often have the media had the slightest idea what's going on with player or management recruitment at B6 over the last 10 years until it was all but a done deal.
Exactly. Who linked us with Remi Garde before the bookies got wind of it?
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Some of these names male my skin crawl. How fucking depressing.
Because the media are guessing at names for a job that isn't vacant?
How often have the media had the slightest idea what's going on with player or management recruitment at B6 over the last 10 years until it was all but a done deal.
Exactly. Who linked us with Remi Garde before the bookies got wind of it?
Pearson was linked with the job when Garde got it. So was Curbs and Pulis and Strachan. The obvious names come up every single time because it is so easy to do.
This is a Mirror story after Sherwood got the boot as evidence
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/next-aston-villa-manager-odds-6701023
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Sherwood was sacked immediately after Villa played Swansea (our 6th straight Premier League defeat, just like last weekend) and Newcastle played Sunderland.
Spooky
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Agree with you and Fat Sam Dekuip but would go one step further. I not only think top level players need good levels of intelligence, they need that intelligence to be channelled by having a stable character. I always like players like Mellberg, Laurson, Friedel and Bouma who exude normality and professional commitment. Those are the kind of players you can use as building blocks to build a team.
In the Lerner era we have had far too many players who are not only dim but lightweight as citizens.
Well put Brian
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lightweight citizens or not, at least we have been spared any of the current crop being caught pissing in pint glasses at a major sporting event
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lightweight citizens or not, at least we have been spared any of the current crop being caught pissing in pint glasses at a major sporting event
Very true, but we did train one of them
;D
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lightweight citizens or not, at least we have been spared any of the current crop being caught pissing in pint glasses at a major sporting event
Only because our players missed the pint glass
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very good!
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lightweight citizens or not, at least we have been spared any of the current crop being caught pissing in pint glasses at a major sporting event
Very true, but we did train one of them
;D
Both of them! Collins and Carruthers were both with us as youngsters.
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"The reasons why Tony Pulis wouldn't julp ship to join Aston Villa." Do people actually get paid for writing this stuff?
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/west-brom-comment-reasons-tony-11078469?
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lightweight citizens or not, at least we have been spared any of the current crop being caught pissing in pint glasses at a major sporting event
Very true, but we did train one of them
;D
Both of them! Collins and Carruthers were both with us as youngsters.
Collins was in the car with bannon when he got breathalised too.
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There was a lot of talk of us going for that Galtier fella instead of Garde. How is he getting on this season?
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There was a lot of talk of us going for that Galtier fella instead of Garde. How is he getting on this season?
Got overthrown when he lost heavily in the South Atlantic back in 1982 I think
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There was a lot of talk of us going for that Galtier fella instead of Garde. How is he getting on this season?
Went down very well in crepe couture, by all accounts.
(http://www.luxurydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Jean-Paul-Gaultier-couture-fw2014.png)
Westwood would point well in that. Suit Gabby's girth too.
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There was a lot of talk of us going for that Galtier fella instead of Garde. How is he getting on this season?
Went down very well in crepe couture, by all accounts.
(http://www.luxurydaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Jean-Paul-Gaultier-couture-fw2014.png)
Westwood would point well in that. Suit Gabby's girth too.
It would need to be inverted to fit Gabby.
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There was a lot of talk of us going for that Galtier fella instead of Garde. How is he getting on this season?
St Etienne having another good season, top 6 so could make Europa league again.
Personally my two choice as managers would be either Mark Warburton as he got Brentford playing some outstanding football and I feel with his business background he could get some structure to our training and coaching. Would imagine his compensation clause at Rangers wouldn't be that high either given their financial issues.
Failing that I'd be happy with Gary Monk. Poor few months this season but on the whole I thought he did a good job at Swansea.
Can't get either of those two in, I'd just get a quick fix and get rid of them as soon as we go up. In dream land hopefully we'd have been taken over by then and I'd break the bank to get in Quique Flores as he's probably my favourite manager in the league currently.
And then I wake up next to Susan Boyle who says she's going to be the next manager....
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Maybe there's no need to be so negative?
The last time we were relegated the Watford manager dropped down a division for us, because we plainly have, given time, a bigger potential.
And we used to (and maybe still do) pay our managers more than bloody Watford do
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Maybe there's no need to be so negative?
The last time we were relegated the Watford manager dropped down a division for us, because we plainly have, given time, a bigger potential.
And we used to (and maybe still do) pay our managers more than bloody Watford do
My concern is that the money we have to spend getting rid of Garde and co. will eat into what we can offer the next incumbent. I'd be very surprised if the next manager will currently be in work.
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lightweight citizens or not, at least we have been spared any of the current crop being caught pissing in pint glasses at a major sporting event
Very true, but we did train one of them
;D
Both of them! Collins and Carruthers were both with us as youngsters.
Collins was in the car with bannon when he got breathalised too.
not just breathalised , he was twice over the limit and crashed the car they was both in on the M1 and then ran off , police arrested him in a nearby field
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David Moyes - yes please for me
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/aston-villa-manager-candidate-david-7616888
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Seconded. All his coaching staff available too.
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TBH for Moyes taking it shows balls of steel on his behalf , there is no half measures either he gets us up becomes a hero and salvages his reputation or fails and spends his days sitting on the couch on MOTD
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If Moyes wants it there is not even a conversation to be had surely? Just appoint the bloke, and get it sorted.
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Yes, don't fuck this one up Villa (been saying that for 6 years, falling on deaf ears every time!!) Express also reporting it although same newspaper company:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/655096/Exclusive-David-Moyes-tells-friends-Aston-Villa-job-Celtic-interest-Transfer-News-Gossip
Sources close to Moyes have indicated the Scot would not be interested in any other job outside of the elite other than Villa, where he believes he could build a team to come straight back and at the same time restore his own standing.
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Moyes. Please make it happen.
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Yes please. Potential win win. I wonder if this is what Brian is here to do? Get Moyes in. Now.
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A statement of intent. Get it done.
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I'd be happy with Moyes.
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The Mirror? Oh well... But if he's interested, I just hope that the current squad will remember what he did at Everton and not just look at his MU and Real Sociedad stints and go: Nah, has-been, over the hill guy. Not good enough. We'll continue to pretend to put a shift in.
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I have felt all along that he would still be tempted to manage us even in the Championship. We are a challenge but the rewards are potentially huge. And we have a semblance of a structure he could work with now.
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If Moyes wants it there is not even a conversation to be had surely? Just appoint the bloke, and get it sorted.
Indeed. I'd be super-chuffed if it happens.
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I wanted him in November and think he's still the ideal candidate now.
Get it done Villa.
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I can see why it might appeal to him. By the time he left Everton he'd had two jobs and been successful at 100% of them. A couple of years later he's had four and now has a 50% success rate. After such a sudden fall there's little point in taking over a Southampton, say, once Koeman gets poached and keeping them 6th-10th - what does that prove to anyone?
Dropping down to reignite the Villa, however...well, it'd be special.
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Absolute no brainer.
If we'd gone for him instead of Garde we'd have stayed up I'm positive.
Oh well, spilt milk and all that, we'd be the biggest idiots in football if we didn't appoint him before something else turns his head.
Assuming the article is truly accurate ...
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If Moyes would in fact take the job I would be thrilled. Genuinely thrilled. Hopefully the link is true.
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If Moyes wants it there is not even a conversation to be had surely? Just appoint the bloke, and get it sorted.
Yep. Best case scenario in our position.
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And yet Remi is still here.
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I'm not a massive Moyes fan but under the circumstances if there is any truth to this, get it sorted. He brings immediate credibility to the position, and with a newly constructed board he would be the absolute best choice to bring us back.
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Not a Moyes boy when we were a premier league team but fairplay to him if he would come to us in the Championship.
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Just to have someone again who the fans can have a bit of faith in would be great. This would show me that this new board are serious about bouncing back quickly. I like Remi but nothing shows me that he's got what it takes. If he were to come back when we have stabilised then he might do ok but it's broken now and needs fixing. Moyes can be tough, his team's can mix it up too. He built something good at Everton that I'd like him to replicate here. TSM 3? Yes please.
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This might sound a little nuts but if getting relegated allows us the breathing room and ability to completely restructure ourselves and get a good proven manager, then it might be better than remaining wallowing in the depths of the PL. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom to make the change, and maybe Randy is realizing that now. Had he done so 5 years ago none of this would have happened, but perhaps this it was all part of his journey to redemption.
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Another vote for Moyes - he's been my preferred manager since before Remi... I read that we approached him before but that we ruled him out because he didn't fit into the structure - in other words, the discredited system put in place by Fox. Hopefully, now that we have some football brains on the board they will realise that the most important person at a football club is the manager. He should be the one around whom all the other pieces fit.
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Toronto, I used to think that relegation under any circumstances would be a disaster but I am coming around to the fact that we now seem to have people at the club who know how to do the job properly, so, if it means we lose our premiership place now, only to put better, achievable plans into place for improvement, then, reluctantly, I am for it. However, I don't see us building with Remi at the helm. Complete change, then give it chance to embed. The right Manager is so important.
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If we appoint moyes then put me down for a season ticket next year.
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Surely this is the no brainer of no brainers. If Moyes wants it, get him in, do it quick, give the press something positive to write for us for once and then crack on with rebuilding us.
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Would be delighted if this was true and the club could get it sorted. Get him in soon to assess the chancers from the guys committed to the club.
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I'm hoping it's true.
Can't think of many managerial options in the PL. even when you look at the bottom half of the table.
If Newcastle drop and Rafa goes,he may consider there I suppose. Palace may be an option if they stay up ,as Pardews record has been shocking since January .
Get it done now and let's try and build some momentum. It would lift the fans and instill some belief.
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If this is true, then he would probably be the best choice if they decide to part with Remi.
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I believe David Moyes is starting to think I need the work and better do something about it.I know for certain he was approached after Houllier left but turned down the initial enquiry due to the financial restrictions he would have to deal with.I cannot see how that has changed but who knows? I think most of us would be happy if he was appointed.We shall see.
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The only thing I would suggest is not to get too over excited about this. The writer of the story Darren Lewis tends not to know his arse from his elbow.
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If Moyes is to come it has to be clean and quick. He has prick teased us in the past. He better not be doing it again.
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If Moyes is to come it has to be clean and quick. He has prick teased us in the past. He better not be doing it again.
Ohhh Matron.....
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If he is interested, then let's get him in. I'd like to think that this has been in the planning for some time so that he's already started to look st us and what we need. He'd rebuild the playing side from bottom to top and set us up for the future. Do it Villa.
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The only thing I would suggest is not to get too over excited about this. The writer of the story Darren Lewis tends not to know his arse from his elbow.
That would be my one concern as well
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Like others I take news from The Mirror with a huge pinch of salt; however I can think of no better opportunity for Moyes to take on. He can rebuild a squad with the full backing of the board, right under the radar and scrutiny of the Premier League and press. With Little and Bernstein now on board, I am convinced he will get the backing that plums like Fox would never have given.
I am hoping that this rumour is not just some journo nonsense and if it is, as Brian says, we should move swiftly to allow him to assess the current squad and prepare for next season.
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The only thing I would suggest is not to get too over excited about this. The writer of the story Darren Lewis tends not to know his arse from his elbow.
Yep, the same Lewis who was constantly insisting Benteke was off to Spurs. For that reason I won't get my hopes up but I'd love Moyes.
Moyes is sure to be heavily linked with Newcastle if they go down and Rafa exercises his release clause. So let's try and get it done Asap if there's any truth to these rumours.
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This might sound a little nuts but if getting relegated allows us the breathing room and ability to completely restructure ourselves and get a good proven manager, then it might be better than remaining wallowing in the depths of the PL. Sometimes you have to hit rock bottom to make the change, and maybe Randy is realizing that now. Had he done so 5 years ago none of this would have happened, but perhaps this it was all part of his journey to redemption.
I have just said to my mates that relegation could turn out to be the best thing that happened to us for 6 years.....
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The only thing I would suggest is not to get too over excited about this. The writer of the story Darren Lewis tends not to know his arse from his elbow.
Yep, the same Lewis who was constantly insisting Benteke was off to Spurs. For that reason I won't get my hopes up but I'd love Moyes.
Moyes is sure to be heavily linked with Newcastle if they go down and Rafa exercises his release clause. So let's try and get it done Asap if there's any truth to these rumours.
Very good point. Get it done before Newcastle come sniffing.
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Newcastle bigger and better than Villa? We'll be in the same position and I'd back us in a straight fight. Anyway, the barcodes will stay up.
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Newcastle bigger and better than Villa? We'll be in the same position and I'd back us in a straight fight. Anyway, the barcodes will stay up.
Don't think they will, as I think Sunderland will finish above them and Norwich. As for Moyes going there, I'm not sure too many managers would fancy working under Mike Ashley.
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you mean as opposed to Randy Lerner?
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David Moyes would be fantastic, please make this happen.
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If there is any truth in this whatsoever, they need to make this happen. Moyes would come with the perfect blend of Premiership and lower league experience (as well as successfully managing a club of similar financial clout and size), he has a no shit steel attitude about him which would certainly put any bad attitudes into place and also has an excellent record of getting the best out of players.
Can you imagine the turn round in attitude we could experience if Garde goes and Moyes comes in before we restart? A couple of nice results before the end of the season (hopefully taking down the barcodes with us) and a full summer of preparation with a manager of his stature and a cohesive board with a plan. I may even start to like football again!
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Is Moyes capable of motivating a bunch of wankers for players? Has he experience in doing so?
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General rule:
If it's in any other paper, there's a fairly slim possibility it might be accurate.
If it's in the Mirror, it is 100% guaranteed to be made-up.
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Just listened to the BBC podcast on the website. A good half hour about Villa. Brian is interviewed, stops shorts of saying that Remi isn't leading the players. Gary Shaw interview is good too. Pat Murphy does a good job until he mentions Pearson and McCarthy as potentials. Probably a week old by now but worth a listen from around seven minutes in.
The other thing that sir Brian said is how important it was in 74 and 86/87 to get the right leader in to manager the side in Ron Saunders and Graham Taylor respectively. I think this is absolutely what Brian has been brought in to look at. Can Remi lead us back like those two greats?
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Is Moyes capable of motivating a bunch of wankers for players? Has he experience in doing so?
Right. If Garde is released and Moyes takes over, he is going to inherit all the same problems that have plagued every manager since MON - lack of investment, short term focus, and terrible squad - I don't buy all this motivation talk - our squad lacks confidence and motivation but it is plainly lacking in quality too. How is any manager going to turn that situation around given within 6 months people will be baying for blood when we are not top of the Championship?
More than a new savior, we need a long term cohesive plan, and that can only come from the board, not a manager who answers to them.
The love in for Moyes mimics the mistakes we keep making.
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I wanted him in November and think he's still the ideal candidate now.
Get it done Villa.
This is my thinking exactly.
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gpbarr, surely this is what the review and subsequent changes made is doing (cohesive plan bit). We can't wait too long to get the board right and forget about the team on the pitch. Both things need to happen almost at the same time. That's why this next two months is crucial to the short, medium and longer term. I have some faith now that things are being addressed. At long last.
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gpbarr, surely this is what the review and subsequent changes made is doing (cohesive plan bit). We can't wait too long to get the board right and forget about the team on the pitch. Both things need to happen almost at the same time. That's why this next two months is crucial to the short, medium and longer term. I have some faith now that things are being addressed. At long last.
Yes. I'm merely advocating a manager (whoever it is) needs to be given the time to effect the turnaround we all want on the pitch. Whether Garde or Moyes or anyone else, I hope they get it.
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If Moyes genuinely wants the job then we'd be crazy not to go for him. He's got a track record of rebuilding a sleeping giant on a decline. He can work on a budget. I don't let his last two gigs sway my thinking on him too much. Utd is a poisoned chalice and he was always on a hiding to nothing going to Spain. He suits the English game. He suits a club like us. If he's willing to take a slog in the Championship for a season or two to start the rebuilding process, then that's great. I think he's a very good manager. We'll be well organised with him. He'll make sensible signings. He's also a manager who would demand, and take a good degree of control, which is what we need. We don't want a manager coming in and butting heads with the chairman and scouting networks on who we're signing and the direction the club is going. In principal the O Neill way works here, but to a point. I'd also have no doubts that Moyes would better use his squad and resources.
Will we play like Barcelona? No, but have we ever been consistently dazzling on the eye? Not particularly (at least not since Football began). We certainly played some nice stuff at our best under BFR and Little, but we were resolute too. To be fair to Moyes as well, his Everton side when they were finishing 5th did play some reasonable stuff. Certainly he's no clogger like Tiny Penis.
We need organisation. We need to be able to defend. We need to be able to win matches. He'll bring in solid players who will do the business for us, like he did at Everton. Players like Neville, Jagielka, Baines etc. You can rely on them.
If it can happen then Moyes gets my vote. There's no problem for him working on a budget, but what needs to happen is we need stability at board level. We can't have headless chickens running around whilst Randy has fucked off and left a rudderless ship. From what Hollis has started, it seems we're rectifying this. We don't have to spend 80 million a year to be a good side. I'm hoping that this year will offer a shift in the Premier League power shift and we'll see a more competitive league for a few years. Leicester give everyone a bit of hope. I would fancy Moyes to get us up first time, and I'd fancy him to keep us up fairly comfortably the following year. From then on, who knows?
We do need this relegation. It's the kick in the bollocks this club needs in order to hit the reset button and look at things more sensibly. If we learn from the mistakes of the last five years we can rebuild and become stronger in the long term. IF.
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I agree supertom. Moyes is such a no brainer it's mad and he is only 52. His record shows he can achieve genuine stability with a club or size.
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Trouble is, I'll be pissed off now if he doesn't end up coming!
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If it happens it would be in the summer. He won't want to manage the club now, but he'll sign a pre contract agreement and adopt a close watching brief over the rest of the season. And he won't want his record attached to being relegated as a manager.
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Pearson is still the man for a Championship season.
Moyes is long out of that league and he demonstrated in Spain how weak he is out of his comfort zone.
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Merson still banging the drum for Mick McCarthy I notice.
Moyes to me is no brained. Ideal candidate for us and arguably we are the sort of club he needs in his career at this stage.
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Like finding a squashed egg sandwich in your lunchbox on a school trip, Moyes will probably do the job until you get home, as unappetising as it may be. He'll certainly sort out the defence. We might even look industrious in midfield but I wouldn't expect much more. Most Evertonians were glad to see the back of him. Still, needs must and he sadly is an option.
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Like finding a squashed egg sandwich in your lunchbox on a school trip, Moyes will probably do the job until you get home, as unappetising as it may be. He'll certainly sort out the defence. We might even look industrious in midfield but I wouldn't expect much more. Most Evertonians were glad to see the back of him. Still, needs must and he sadly is an option.
At the time they were.
Now they seem to be asking themselves whether finishing six places further down the league but playing more attractive football is actually a good swap after all.
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Never been a Moyes fan, dull predictable defensive football.
Bit of a myth that he spent no money. I think the game has moved on and why he has failed in last 2 jobs.
But we are desperate and I think he would sort the squad and give us a chance to get back up.
Also a name that transfer targets recognise, he must be as desperate for success as we are.
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Never been a Moyes fan, dull predictable defensive football.
Bit of a myth that he spent no money. I think the game has moved on and why he has failed in last 2 jobs.
Has he? He took on an impossible task in following on from Fergie and was crucified by the fans and meeja for it. Fast forward to Van Gaal who has spent a crap-load of money, came with a worldclass reputation and has done no better. I accept that his tenure in Spain was not good, but he was well liked over there and very few British coaches succeed overseas.
We are ideal for him to rebuild under the media scrutiny. As far as I am concerned, if there is even a whiff of truth to this (and yes its the Mirror, so its the slightest of whiffs) then no-one else should be considered.
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Never been a Moyes fan, dull predictable defensive football.
Bit of a myth that he spent no money. I think the game has moved on and why he has failed in last 2 jobs.
Has he? He took on an impossible task in following on from Fergie and was crucified by the fans and meeja for it. Fast forward to Van Gaal who has spent a crap-load of money, came with a worldclass reputation and has done no better. I accept that his tenure in Spain was not good, but he was well liked over there and very few British coaches succeed overseas.
We are ideal for him to rebuild under the media scrutiny. As far as I am concerned, if there is even a whiff of truth to this (and yes its the Mirror, so its the slightest of whiffs) then no-one else should be considered.
yes he did fail, no doubt. Maybe extenuating circumstances but trying to turn Utd into Everton did not work. It could be argued this made LVG job even harder. Sorry I am not going with the Moyes love in on here.
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Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.
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Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.
Good point. If he comes (big if), and achieves anything like SGT, he'll rightly be lauded for years to come.
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Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.
Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.
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Never been a Moyes fan, dull predictable defensive football.
Bit of a myth that he spent no money.
That's true, he blew £1.5 million on Tim Cahill. The wreckless fool!
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Never been a Moyes fan, dull predictable defensive football.
Bit of a myth that he spent no money.
That's true, he blew £1.5 million on Tim Cahill. The wreckless fool!
He did spend a bit more than people think.
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Never been a Moyes fan, dull predictable defensive football.
Bit of a myth that he spent no money. I think the game has moved on and why he has failed in last 2 jobs.
But we are desperate and I think he would sort the squad and give us a chance to get back up.
Also a name that transfer targets recognise, he must be as desperate for success as we are.
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My thoughts exactly. These dour Scot create teams in their own image. One day decent season finishing 4th was surrounded by a load of average crap ones. Everton fans I know we're not overly upset when he left for United. As said his spending levels were always played down as well
It's a no for me
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Never been a Moyes fan, dull predictable defensive football.
Bit of a myth that he spent no money.
That's true, he blew £1.5 million on Tim Cahill. The wreckless fool!
Ha! True but the same summer he also signed hotshot Marcus Bent as his lone striker who managed 8 goals in 66 games.
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He finished in the top 6 a good number of times and above Martin O'Neill's big spending Aston Villa. They played good football too.
I remember Lambert's first home game where they absolutely ripped us apart inside 45 minutes.
I think he'd be the best manager in the league, which when put into line with being the biggest club in there, should give us a greater chance of bouncing back.
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Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.
Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.
Well our current team aren't exactly tough to beat. If Moyes came in and got a team that could defend, it would be a massive improvement.
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He also recouped a lot of money on transfers for players. Lescott and Rodwell immediately come to mind. I'm sure there were others.
And he has also picked up some good players from lower-division clubs and turned them into internationals; Baines and Jagielka being two off the top of my head.
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Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.
Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.
Well our current team aren't exactly tough to beat. If Moyes came in and got a team that could defend, it would be a massive improvement.
True. Any manager that comes in will have to sort out our comedy defence. My concerns with Moyes are at the other end of the pitch.
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Never been a Moyes fan, dull predictable defensive football.
Bit of a myth that he spent no money.
That's true, he blew £1.5 million on Tim Cahill. The wreckless fool!
Ha! True but the same summer he also signed hotshot Marcus Bent as his lone striker who managed 8 goals in 66 games.
He signed enough players for them to achieve higher finishes on more occasions than we've managed in 19 years.
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If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.
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Never been a Moyes fan, dull predictable defensive football.
Bit of a myth that he spent no money.
That's true, he blew £1.5 million on Tim Cahill. The wreckless fool!
Ha! True but the same summer he also signed hotshot Marcus Bent as his lone striker who managed 8 goals in 66 games.
He signed enough players for them to achieve higher finishes on more occasions than we've managed in 19 years.
Is that really the benchmark you want to measure a future manager? Despite our current position, I'd hope medium to long term we're aiming higher. As I said earlier, he may be a good quick fix but I don't see him as a medium, long term solution.
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I voted for Garde. He has not been doing a great job so far, but I'm sure he's intelligent enough to see what should be the number one priority to sort out in the summer and start the job. If he can persuade the backroom team he had at Lyon to come and work in the Championship, then I think that we would struggle to get a better manager for the medium/long term.
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Never been a Moyes fan, dull predictable defensive football.
Bit of a myth that he spent no money.
That's true, he blew £1.5 million on Tim Cahill. The wreckless fool!
Ha! True but the same summer he also signed hotshot Marcus Bent as his lone striker who managed 8 goals in 66 games.
He signed enough players for them to achieve higher finishes on more occasions than we've managed in 19 years.
Is that really the benchmark you want to measure a future manager? Despite our current position, I'd hope medium to long term we're aiming higher. As I said earlier, he may be a good quick fix but I don't see him as a medium, long term solution.
I think we to consider where we are and have been for a very long time. I can't think of any time for a long time when Moyes wouldn't be seen as an ambitious appointment for Villa.
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If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.
Intent to what?
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.
Its a lottery.
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If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.
Intent to what?
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.
Its a lottery.
It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.
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If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.
Intent to what?
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.
Its a lottery.
Intent to bring in someone perceived as a big hitter who has been at big clubs, rather than scraping the bottom of the barrel for the cheapest option such as Nigel Pearson (for example). You're right though that big name doesn't guarantee anything.
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If Moyes is willing to manage in the Championship then I vote for him - most experience by a mile and won't be overawed by us like Lambert. A concern would be his tendency to go for crosses into the centre, which bears considerably less fruit than playing through the middle, but this is the championship and we have justhead. Sort the defence and get 2 quick wingers who can cross and we should be up there.
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If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.
Intent to what?
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.
Its a lottery.
It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.
I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.
Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.
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Haven't we still got a Manager?
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I'd be delighted with finishing 4th, 5th or 6th, but that wouldn't be the bench mark I'd judge him on currently should he get the job; simply being promoted would be a start.
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Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.
Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.
When Sir Graham arrived there was a bit of dissent over his football, which was unfairly regarded as long ball, and he never fully lost that reputation.
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Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.
Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.
When Sir Graham arrived there was a bit of dissent over his football, which was unfairly regarded as long ball, and he never fully lost that reputation.
I remember him being perceived somewhat as a 'long ball' manager. To be fair we did use the diagonal ball for knock downs from Omondroyd quite often and to good effect at times.
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Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.
Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.
When Sir Graham arrived there was a bit of dissent over his football, which was unfairly regarded as long ball, and he never fully lost that reputation.
I remember him being perceived somewhat as a 'long ball' manager. To be fair we did use the diagonal ball for knock downs from Omondroyd quite often and to good effect at times.
He called them long passes, not long balls
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Moyes' Everton were tough to beat, but also played some really decent stuff at times, but struggled to find that striker to take them from good to top 4 challengers. Lukaku in there previous team would have been interesting.
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If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.
Intent to what?
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.
Its a lottery.
It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.
I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.
Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.
The point about a "big name" I grant. But I fail to see the logic behind the argument of a calculated risk. Throw every sort of calculation in, and at the end of the day its still a lottery. Ergo Moyes to Man U - he had managed a big club well in the PL (tick the box), had managed a young, vibrant, lower league team through promotion (Preston NE), he was recommended for the job by non other than Sir AF (can't argue he was about as well qualified as any footballing mind to make such a recommendation), and he was primed & ready. It was calculated yes - the result of course is now history. One could argue the same of McLeish when he was appointed (also recommended by Sir AF) but again a spectacular disaster. One might even say thats true of Garde - solid track record (albeit outside British football), managed well on a budget, recommended by Arsene Wenger, yet it seems about 50% of our fans now think that after 6 months he's unqualified and should be sacked.
Its a lottery. Which is why the "love in" mimics past "love ins" which have not ended well.
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He also recouped a lot of money on transfers for players. Lescott and Rodwell immediately come to mind. I'm sure there were others.
And he has also picked up some good players from lower-division clubs and turned them into internationals; Baines and Jagielka being two off the top of my head.
Rooney?
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Moyes' Everton were tough to beat, but also played some really decent stuff at times, but struggled to find that striker to take them from good to top 4 challengers. Lukaku in there previous team would have been interesting.
Indeed their real problem was against the very best teams which I think was in part due to his psychology - I think that Shitbag Ferdinand said so when he joined Yah-ni-ted said he focused too much on opposition.
If our problems was just when playing the top 5 or 6 in the country I'd bee more than happy.
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Garde is, I think, a dead man walking.
Moyes has never particularly inspired me at any time in his managerial career. However, he would probably do an effective job of bringing our players back to the basics that they need: hard to beat, good on set pieces and good on game management. He would also ensure that our media profile does not suffer.
Since he is out of work, getting a pre-engagement contract done would make sense, to give him time to run a thorough rule over what we curently have and what we will need; without the tarnish if the current chaos.
He wouldn't necessarily be my choice but he'd do a decent job. Redemption all round.
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He also recouped a lot of money on transfers for players. Lescott and Rodwell immediately come to mind. I'm sure there were others.
And he has also picked up some good players from lower-division clubs and turned them into internationals; Baines and Jagielka being two off the top of my head.
Rooney?
Rooney came through the youth set up and was identified from a very young age as a future star. I still remember watching the youth team cup final when Villa beat Everton, but Rooney stood out like a beacon as by far the best player on the field. So good in fact I went to fetch my wife to show her - she hates football but I had to tell someone about him. I don't think Moyes can take too much credit for picking him. Not that I'm against him as manager mind.
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If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.
Intent to what?
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.
Its a lottery.
It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.
I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.
Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.
The point about a "big name" I grant. But I fail to see the logic behind the argument of a calculated risk. Throw every sort of calculation in, and at the end of the day its still a lottery. Ergo Moyes to Man U - he had managed a big club well in the PL (tick the box), had managed a young, vibrant, lower league team through promotion (Preston NE), he was recommended for the job by non other than Sir AF (can't argue he was about as well qualified as any footballing mind to make such a recommendation), and he was primed & ready. It was calculated yes - the result of course is now history. One could argue the same of McLeish when he was appointed (also recommended by Sir AF) but again a spectacular disaster. One might even say thats true of Garde - solid track record (albeit outside British football), managed well on a budget, recommended by Arsene Wenger, yet it seems about 50% of our fans now think that after 6 months he's unqualified and should be sacked.
Its a lottery. Which is why the "love in" mimics past "love ins" which have not ended well.
By that reckoning though, it makes no difference whether we have Alex Ferguson or John Carver in charge. In reality, you can appoint either, but you know you are taking more of a risk with one than the other.
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If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.
Intent to what?
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.
Its a lottery.
It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.
I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.
Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.
The point about a "big name" I grant. But I fail to see the logic behind the argument of a calculated risk. Throw every sort of calculation in, and at the end of the day its still a lottery. Ergo Moyes to Man U - he had managed a big club well in the PL (tick the box), had managed a young, vibrant, lower league team through promotion (Preston NE), he was recommended for the job by non other than Sir AF (can't argue he was about as well qualified as any footballing mind to make such a recommendation), and he was primed & ready. It was calculated yes - the result of course is now history. One could argue the same of McLeish when he was appointed (also recommended by Sir AF) but again a spectacular disaster. One might even say thats true of Garde - solid track record (albeit outside British football), managed well on a budget, recommended by Arsene Wenger, yet it seems about 50% of our fans now think that after 6 months he's unqualified and should be sacked.
Its a lottery. Which is why the "love in" mimics past "love ins" which have not ended well.
By that reckoning though, it makes no difference whether we have Alex Ferguson or John Carver in charge. In reality, you can appoint either, but you know you are taking more of a risk with one than the other.
I disagree. Thats the whole point. Carver or Ferguson may or may not work. The "risk" is purely conceptual because as has been proven many times before, big names don't guarantee anything more than other names.
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He also recouped a lot of money on transfers for players. Lescott and Rodwell immediately come to mind. I'm sure there were others.
And he has also picked up some good players from lower-division clubs and turned them into internationals; Baines and Jagielka being two off the top of my head.
Rooney?
Rooney came through the youth set up and was identified from a very young age as a future star. I still remember watching the youth team cup final when Villa beat Everton, but Rooney stood out like a beacon as by far the best player on the field. So good in fact I went to fetch my wife to show her - she hates football but I had to tell someone about him. I don't think Moyes can take too much credit for picking him. Not that I'm against him as manager mind.
I think he means him in the column of players sold for big transfer fees.
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If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.
Intent to what?
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.
Its a lottery.
It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.
I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.
Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.
The point about a "big name" I grant. But I fail to see the logic behind the argument of a calculated risk. Throw every sort of calculation in, and at the end of the day its still a lottery. Ergo Moyes to Man U - he had managed a big club well in the PL (tick the box), had managed a young, vibrant, lower league team through promotion (Preston NE), he was recommended for the job by non other than Sir AF (can't argue he was about as well qualified as any footballing mind to make such a recommendation), and he was primed & ready. It was calculated yes - the result of course is now history. One could argue the same of McLeish when he was appointed (also recommended by Sir AF) but again a spectacular disaster. One might even say thats true of Garde - solid track record (albeit outside British football), managed well on a budget, recommended by Arsene Wenger, yet it seems about 50% of our fans now think that after 6 months he's unqualified and should be sacked.
Its a lottery. Which is why the "love in" mimics past "love ins" which have not ended well.
By that reckoning though, it makes no difference whether we have Alex Ferguson or John Carver in charge. In reality, you can appoint either, but you know you are taking more of a risk with one than the other.
I disagree. Thats the whole point. Carver or Ferguson may or may not work. The "risk" is purely conceptual because as has been proven many times before, big names don't guarantee anything more than other names.
It's an interesting point, GPB. I'm not sure it's as straightforward as that, but it is an interesting way to look at it.
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We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?
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Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.
Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.
When Sir Graham arrived there was a bit of dissent over his football, which was unfairly regarded as long ball, and he never fully lost that reputation.
True and it's a shame that he got got the accolades he deserved. Not once but twice he got a team promoted and followed that up by almost winning the league. Taking a club like Watford from the old 4th Division to Runners-up in the 1st in 6 years will never be repeated, nevermind what he did with us. The fact he turned down the Baggies to join Watford in the 4th Division has always been another reason to admire the man.
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Moyes has never particularly inspired me at any time in his managerial career. However, he would probably do an effective job of bringing our players back to the basics that they need: hard to beat, good on set pieces and good on game management. He would also ensure that our media profile does not suffer.
Since he is out of work, getting a pre-engagement contract done would make sense, to give him time to run a thorough rule over what we curently have and what we will need; without the tarnish if the current chaos.
He wouldn't necessarily be my choice but he'd do a decent job. Redemption all round.
Can't argue with that, Mister E.
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IF Garde isn't going to be our manager I'd be delighted with Moyes, especially given the alternatives.
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David Moyes would be fantastic, please make this happen.
If he is genuinely interested, and the board decide that Garde is not good enough then fine. But he is not a Mourinho or Guardiola, nothing is guaranteed.
I just can't get excited about sacking one manager because he has had a bad few months, and replacing him with one who has also had a bad few months.
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Moyes please. All the talk on Facebook is that he does want the job. We'll see
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I think given our current situation, if someone like Moyes genuinely DOES want to come, then it's a gift from God. I simply cannot understand why anyone wouldn't want him here. Then again it's all about opinion...
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Replace Garde with Pearson, Pulis, Warnock or any other has been or never were, give me Garde. Replace Garde with Moyes, give me Moyes all day long.
We are where we are and if the best manager is available for the circumstance we find ourselves in, don't miss the opportunity.
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Could be very clever timing from Moyes, looking to come in when we are at our lowest point, rather than taking it when Garde did or at any earlier point we may have expressed an interest. If he gets us up and stabilises us in the Prem he'll win plenty of plaudits.
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We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?
I don't get it either.
As somebody else pointed out, if you wanted a signal that we still think we're a big club and that we're prepared to try and act the part again, getting a manager as well known and in my view, as good as Moyes, would be a big step towards that.
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We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?
I don't get it either.
As somebody else pointed out, if you wanted a signal that we still think we're a big club and that we're prepared to try and act the part again, getting a manager as well known and in my view, as good as Moyes, would be a big step towards that.
and I agree with you.
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We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?
I don't get it either.
As somebody else pointed out, if you wanted a signal that we still think we're a big club and that we're prepared to try and act the part again, getting a manager as well known and in my view, as good as Moyes, would be a big step towards that.
For me, appointing Moyes would be filed with the common sense decisions seemingly being made at board level. Get solid people in who understand the game, the industry and how to correct a very difficult situation off the field. Do likewise on the field.
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If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.
Intent to what?
Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.
Its a lottery.
It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.
I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.
Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.
I probably shouldn't have used the word lottery, as essentially my point was that Moyes may be a risk but so would any manager. Moyes would offer a respected name and like I said a sign of intent.
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We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?
I don't get it either.
As somebody else pointed out, if you wanted a signal that we still think we're a big club and that we're prepared to try and act the part again, getting a manager as well known and in my view, as good as Moyes, would be a big step towards that.
Indeed not wanting him is absolutely bonkers.
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I think given our current situation, if someone like Moyes genuinely DOES want to come, then it's a gift from God. I simply cannot understand why anyone wouldn't want him here. Then again it's all about opinion...
And that's the key point. Personally, I think Moyes could be considered a "safe" choice, whatever that means, but little charisma and a rather dull character.
Where's the flair for a Bilic or Flores?
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Jeez, there's a lot of snobbery on here.
As far as I see, he was given the Man U job on merit. Only a couple of years ago.
THE MAN U JOB FFS!!!
We're absolutely on our arse and the vibes suggest he'd be prepared to have a crack at turning us round? I'd say turning down an opportunity like that would be a bigger mistake than giving the job to Sherwood, Garde, Turner and McNeill all rolled into one.
Especially if you consider what we really could end up with.
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I think given our current situation, if someone like Moyes genuinely DOES want to come, then it's a gift from God. I simply cannot understand why anyone wouldn't want him here. Then again it's all about opinion...
And that's the key point. Personally, I think Moyes could be considered a "safe" choice, whatever that means, but little charisma and a rather dull character.
Where's the flair for a Bilic or Flores?
We can have a more adventurous manager once we're up and stable. The only fear for me is we do exactly the same we did with MON, which is not ditch him when we're on the rise. Five years of Moyes frightens me but right now he's probably the best or safest we can hope for. Beggars can't be choosers..
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Jeez, there's a lot of snobbery on here.
As far as I see, he was given the Man U job on merit. Only a couple of years ago.
THE MAN U JOB FFS!!!
We're absolutely on our arse and the vibes suggest he'd be prepared to have a crack at turning us round? I'd say turning down an opportunity like that would be a bigger mistake than giving the job to Sherwood, Garde, Turner and McNeill all rolled into one.
Especially if you consider what we really could end up with.
How do you equate peoples opinions to snobbery, you're anti Garde which is your entitled opinion, but just because Ferguson recommended Moyes doesn't make him the right man for Villa. He certainly didn't have a lot of success in Spain. He'd probably be a better choice than some of the other names being bandied about, but it's still only peoples opinions
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I could take or leave Moyes, doesn't fill me with any great excitement or dread
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If we absolutely have to have another dour Scot in charge, I can't think of any better than him.
He'd probably be a safe pair of hands. I quite liked his Everton side, they used to play good football, although he has a well-deserved reputation for being unable to sign a decent striker and does tend to rely on a lot of goals from midfield.
So he'd have to rebuild ours from scratch.
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How do you equate peoples opinions to snobbery, you're anti Garde which is your entitled opinion, but just because Ferguson recommended Moyes doesn't make him the right man for Villa. He certainly didn't have a lot of success in Spain. He'd probably be a better choice than some of the other names being bandied about, but it's still only peoples opinions
Indeed. As we know from bitter experience, Ferguson's "recommendations" should be avoided like polio.
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If we absolutely have to have another dour Scot in charge, I can't think of any better than him.
He'd probably be a safe pair of hands. I quite liked his Everton side, they used to play good football, although he has a well-deserved reputation for being unable to sign a decent striker and does tend to rely on a lot of goals from midfield.
He's lucky then that he would inherit Rudy Gestede, so he wouldn't need to sign a new one.
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I think given our current situation, if someone like Moyes genuinely DOES want to come, then it's a gift from God. I simply cannot understand why anyone wouldn't want him here. Then again it's all about opinion...
And that's the key point. Personally, I think Moyes could be considered a "safe" choice, whatever that means, but little charisma and a rather dull character.
Where's the flair for a Bilic or Flores?
We can have a more adventurous manager once we're up and stable. The only fear for me is we do exactly the same we did with MON, which is not ditch him when we're on the rise. Five years of Moyes frightens me but right now he's probably the best or safest we can hope for. Beggars can't be choosers..
Five years of Moyes frightening anybody I do not get, Everton had 11 years of him and he left a great platform for Martinez (who is buggering it up a bit now), after finishing 5th in the first season after Moyes left.
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We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?
I don't get it either.
As somebody else pointed out, if you wanted a signal that we still think we're a big club and that we're prepared to try and act the part again, getting a manager as well known and in my view, as good as Moyes, would be a big step towards that.
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For me, appointing Moyes would be filed with the common sense decisions seemingly being made at board level. Get solid people in who understand the game, the industry and how to correct a very difficult situation off the field. Do likewise on the field.
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If, and it's a big if, Moyes has intimated that he would be interested in coming to VP, then I think the new board/structure would have a lot to do with it. He will have seen who is now apparently making the decisions at the top and is happy to be a part of the scenario. I think in the past when he allegedly turned us down, he was not happy at the structure/management/quality of personnel in place at the club.
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I'd take Moyes now
and I've never ever ever said that before as I've always thought he was a boring flatliner of a manager
But I'd take him now
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Nutty Nigel or Dithering Dave ?
I consider Moyes would be a step up from what we have endured of late. Doesn`t solve the ownership problem however - which is the source of all our woes over the last few seasons.
Lets hope the necessary big decisions are being made right now so we can kick off in August with a clean slate and plenty of optimism .
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No brainer for me too.
With him, and a solid back-room team, I'd have hope, whereas at the moment I have absolutely none.
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I think given our current situation, if someone like Moyes genuinely DOES want to come, then it's a gift from God. I simply cannot understand why anyone wouldn't want him here. Then again it's all about opinion...
And that's the key point. Personally, I think Moyes could be considered a "safe" choice, whatever that means, but little charisma and a rather dull character.
Where's the flair for a Bilic or Flores?
We can have a more adventurous manager once we're up and stable. The only fear for me is we do exactly the same we did with MON, which is not ditch him when we're on the rise. Five years of Moyes frightens me but right now he's probably the best or safest we can hope for. Beggars can't be choosers..
Five years of the Championship/ Van-o-rama drama scares me more, so I'll take Moyes, thanks very much.
I'd want a slightly more reliable source than Darren Lewis though, which is the only place this rumour has come from.
I don't ever recalling him calling one right before, even when it concerns Tottingham or West Ham, the two clubs he power wanks over.
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After getting rid of Sherwood, and when beggars 'could' be choosers, I wouldn't have touched Moyes with a bargepole.
Now when beggars can't be choosers, I'd take him in a shot.
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In an ideal world I'd love to see what Remi could have done with some funds and without the power struggle going on in both the boardroom and training ground.
To me appointing Moyes is a fantastic opportunity. A very decent manager who really wants the job is just too good a opportunity to let slip.
How true is it? Also what is the situation with Remi?
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If Moyes is willing to take the job then we should do everything possible to get him in, and back him. While they were moaning near the end of his reign, all of the Everton fans I know say they'd have him back in place of Martinez no problem.
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Given all that has transpired with us appointing Moyes would be greeted in much the same way MON was received when he rolled into B6
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As well as being a fairly remarkable coup, David Moyes would also fit that rare position of 'knowing the Championship' AND being able to hold his own in the Premier League.
If it's possible, I think he would be just about the best possible option for us.
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I'd have liked a more progressive manager than Moyes to be honest, but that said it he did come he would have some "clout" to dictate his terms to the club rather than some of the other candidates who you'd be worried would toe the club line too much.He would attract PL clubs interest still so if he did come you would hope he would put down a few demands to the board and not be in the TSMI/II, Sherwood/Garde yesman catagory
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Sadly I think this story is a figment of Darren Lewis's imagination. Not a word of support for it from any other source. Pity, Moyes might be the answer.
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It's in the Express as an exclusive as well as the Mirror.
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I get the impression it is a non-story too. It's gone a bit quite on all fronts.
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Sadly I think this story is a figment of Darren Lewis's imagination. Not a word of support for it from any other source. Pity, Moyes might be the answer.
I would hope that if it is true that things are being kept private. We have someone in the job right now so the club or Moyes shouldn't be commenting. But it's not that outlandish a suggestion given that there would be significant upside for both parties. Manager of a properly run Aston Villa will be a very attractive proposition to someone. It would be a great if the new board can sell that vision to someone like Moyes.
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I wouldn't surprise me if Bertstien and Little did get together the name they would come up with would be Moyes
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Sadly I think this story is a figment of Darren Lewis's imagination. Not a word of support for it from any other source. Pity, Moyes might be the answer.
Brian, please let me dream a little longer please, pretty please!
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I think given our current situation, if someone like Moyes genuinely DOES want to come, then it's a gift from God. I simply cannot understand why anyone wouldn't want him here. Then again it's all about opinion...
And that's the key point. Personally, I think Moyes could be considered a "safe" choice, whatever that means, but little charisma and a rather dull character.
Where's the flair for a Bilic or Flores?
We can have a more adventurous manager once we're up and stable. The only fear for me is we do exactly the same we did with MON, which is not ditch him when we're on the rise. Five years of Moyes frightens me but right now he's probably the best or safest we can hope for. Beggars can't be choosers..
Given where we are right now 5 years of Moyes is not frightening at all. There is a lot more to be frightened about.
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Sorry Ads I did not know about the Express story. I stopped reading that organ when Giles (Peter not Johnny or Ashley) retired.
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Has anyone approached Other's agent?
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Moyes is a no brainer. knows how to rebuild a club and the myth of Everton being boring - I seem to remember some good games against villa and them regularly upsetting the big boys .
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Birmingham mail are ruining a more embellished version of it too.
I think it's gone a bit quiet because in all of this there is the fact Remi is still in place!!
Don't want Monk.
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Sorry Ads I did not know about the Express story. I stopped reading that organ when Giles (Peter not Johnny or Ashley) retired.
Not need to be sorry.
My own feelings is that this has come from Moyes' people so they will have leaked it to a source they know. The reasons for doing so might be to create some public pressure. Who knows and as ever, time will tell.
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Of the names being banded about, Moyes is the only one that makes me sit up and take notice. I would appreciate someone to just stabilise Villa and get the basics at the club right again intially. Moyes has shown he can do that elsewhere. I think he'd enjoy it at Villa and it might end up being his best contribution in Football, which would be something considering what he did at Everton.
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There is something about it that fits nicely.
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Moyes is a good manager.
My reticence in wanting him to take over is due to an irrational distrust of Scottish managers. McNeal, McLeish, Lambert and McDonald (caretaker) have all been really shit. It doesn't give me good feelings about a new Scot rocking up at the Villa.
Putting my rational head on, and talking to my Everton supporting mates, I think he would be a safe pair of hands. Think I prefer the idea of Pearson (who would kick some ass and is more in the mould of Ron Saunders) or Eddie Howe (in a similar position to GT1 when he joined us). That said if Moyes joined I would get fully behind him.
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Graham Taylor 1987
David Moyes 2016
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It doesn't give me good feelings about a new Scot rocking up at the Villa.
Yeah, after all it was a bad day for the club when George Ramsay watched a kick about on Aston Park and reckoned he could improve on what he saw.
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Moyes would get my backing. Pearson I think is an accident thats just waiting to happen again somewhere.
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We have the Scottish Lion Rampant on our shirt, George Ramsay and William McGregor were Scots, I think the good outweights the bad.
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We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?
I don't get it either.
As somebody else pointed out, if you wanted a signal that we still think we're a big club and that we're prepared to try and act the part again, getting a manager as well known and in my view, as good as Moyes, would be a big step towards that.
Indeed not wanting him is absolutely bonkers.
Try telling that to Man United and Real Sociedad supporters.
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Moyes is a no brainer
Yep that sums up our moysey 😂 the day before yesterdays man.
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Replace Garde with Pearson, Pulis, Warnock or any other has been or never were, give me Garde. Replace Garde with Moyes, give me Moyes all day long.
We are where we are and if the best manager is available for the circumstance we find ourselves in, don't miss the opportunity.
This is kind of where I am. If Moyes is the best out there then I hope we get him. I'm just too demoralised to get excited about the next manager decision considering Randy's just got about every one wrong.
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Replace Garde with Pearson, Pulis, Warnock or any other has been or never were, give me Garde. Replace Garde with Moyes, give me Moyes all day long.
We are where we are and if the best manager is available for the circumstance we find ourselves in, don't miss the opportunity.
This is kind of where I am. If Moyes is the best out there then I hope we get him. I'm just too demoralised to get excited about the next manager decision considering Randy's just got about every one wrong.
I'm optimistic because it won't be Randy and Fox/Faulkner in his flying motor off to appoint the next manager. It will be Hollis/Bernstein/Little that will be very much involved and hopefully in place to deliver a silky uppercut to his chin when he suggests Pulis or Jewell.
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We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?
I don't get it either.
As somebody else pointed out, if you wanted a signal that we still think we're a big club and that we're prepared to try and act the part again, getting a manager as well known and in my view, as good as Moyes, would be a big step towards that.
Indeed not wanting him is absolutely bonkers.
Try telling that to Man United and Real Sociedad supporters.
The bigger picture not really your thing then..?
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So, our poll shows that we would prefer Remi Garde to David Moyes to begin next season.
Seriously?
We've lost our last six games - the man is clueless.
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Given that Garde hasn't had chance to bring in his own players or even the coaches he wanted, the strongest argument for changing managers would be for getting someone who knows how to get a side promoted out of the Championship. I don't see how Moyes fits into that, it's been a long time since his Preston days.
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We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?
I don't get it either.
As somebody else pointed out, if you wanted a signal that we still think we're a big club and that we're prepared to try and act the part again, getting a manager as well known and in my view, as good as Moyes, would be a big step towards that.
Man Utd have hardly pulled up trees since he left and they've spent £200 million. Sociedad he made the mistake of not getting involved enough with the culture, but that won't be a problem here.
Indeed not wanting him is absolutely bonkers.
Try telling that to Man United and Real Sociedad supporters.
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Garde hasn't earned the chance to have a go at bringing his own players in. He's shown no qualities since he's been here, ever since he mistreated Grealish after the Everton game. If we appoint David Moyes, we're in with a chance of going back up. Keep Garde and it will be the beginning of Championship mediocrity.
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When's he coming? (Moyes)
Bring it on.
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Birmingham mail are ruining a more embellished version of it too.
Nice Freudian slip.
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I appreciate there are counter arguments against getting Moyes in, nothing is ever 100% positive.
The main two big blips on his cv are his tenures at Man U and his last job in Spain.
Well, IMHO the utd job was a poisoned chalice after Ferguson. I doubt, possibly Mourinho aside, there was a manager alive that could have taken that job and improved it. Even he, I think would have met resistance to change in the first two years. Lvg is finding the same difficulties which says a lot. Replacing an iconic part of a club like that is almost an impossible task.
As for R.Soc I expected him not to be successful there anyway. Brit managers rarely are, as I think we're a slightly different breed, football wise. Could he even speak the lingo? I wouldn't expect anyone to manage a party at Mcdonalds without adequate communication skills. Never mind a football club.
I used the word snobbery earlier and was pulled up on it. Which is probably correct, it's not quite the right word but anyway, the point I'm making is that in our position we'd be ridiculously foolish to reject a manager of this calibre while being in the position we are.
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Gary Monk touted by The Sun this morning.I do hope not.
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You're up early Ron!
Monks a definite no for me also. Would rather keep Garde.
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Monk? No thanks. He is an example of a club man who ends up managing the club he knows, does well for a while then never hits those heights again. Another Sherwood.
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Mods, any chance of resetting the pole with other names involved? Rodgers, Mick Mack, Warburton et al?
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An interesting analysis by some cleverer poster than I would be a comparison of Remi Garde's time with us and David Moyes' time with Real Sociadad. Both had very good track records with major clubs, Everton and Lyon, without winning major honours yet both failed to motivate in foreign fields. In my humble opinion both managers are much better than their latest form. Perhaps neither travels well. Perhaps Remi is too quiet for the bear garden that is behind the scenes at Villa. Perhaps David is too abrasive for Spanish ways.
I chatted briefly to David Moyes many years ago when he was with Preston. He came across as a strict disciplinarian. He brought his team to Nice for winter breaks. By day they would play football with one of those squashy grapefruit sized balls on the beach, all in their Preston kit and by night they would frequent the Old Town immaculate in club blazers and flannels. I was impressed by him and knew he would make his mark in the game.
I still think Remi Garde deserves a better hand than Aston Villa has dealt him so far but David Moyes would be my preferred choice to replace him.
I still have deep misgivings about the Darren Lewis story however.
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Moyes has been the manager-Villa-should've-appointed since O' Neill left. I really hope it happens this time.
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It's Dave's destiny to manage Villa very soon or never at all
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Gary Monk touted by The Sun this morning.I do hope not.
It's Monk's Time to jazz things up a bit at Villa
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Gary Monk touted by The Sun this morning.I do hope not.
It's Monk's Time to jazz things up a bit at Villa
As long as he sorts it out at 3pm on a Saturday and doesn't leave it til Round Midnight.
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We need a manager to get us taking Brilliant Corners again...
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I can see the pros and cons of Moyes but to get him to come whilst not even in the top flight would be an achievement.
Admittedly his stock is low but it's not that low.
Compared to the likes of Pulis or Pearson, he's Pep Guardiola
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I can see the pros and cons of Moyes but to get him to come whilst not even in the top flight would be an achievement.
Admittedly his stock is low but it's not that low.
Compared to the likes of Pulis or Pearson, he's Pep Guardiola
Exactly. When presented the viable alternatives, we should be moving heaven and earth to get him.
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I'd be very surprised if Moyes was prepared to come here.
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Well we know he can work with players with strange hairdo's (see Fellaini) so he'd get Rudy playing. Oh no he's had it cut.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/would-david-moyes-good-fit-11093725#rlabs=1%20rt$category%20p$5
Just sounds perfect for us right now. If there is any possibility please make this happen Villa.
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My worry is the fact that Pulis has all but admitted he's off in the Summer. If that's the case Moyes may be swayed by the lure of the Prem. And that Smethwick sunshine.
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I'd be very surprised if Moyes was prepared to come here.
I would also be surprised but then Rafa went to the Geordie boys
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My worry is the fact that Pulis has all but admitted he's off in the Summer. If that's the case Moyes may be swayed by the lure of the Prem. And that Smethwick sunshine.
Has he??? Please not to come here!!!!
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I'd be very surprised if Moyes was prepared to come here.
and me , I think he wants premier league or Celtic but would consider Villa in the championship as a last resort
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Chris Coleman is out of contract with Wales after the Euro's. I reckon he could do the job for us in the Championship but can he cut it in the PL is any body’s guess.
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Chris Coleman is out of contract with Wales after the Euro's. I reckon he could do the job for us in the Championship but can he cut it in the PL is any body’s guess.
worry about that if we get back up , yeah i would have him , but would you have Roy Hodgson ,
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If England have a decent Euro's I think Roy Hodgson will retire gracefully.
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If England have a decent Euro's I think Roy Hodgson will retire gracefully.
yeah , he's had a good innings
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A good Euro's for England would be getting a win in a group game as opposed to making a fool of themselves in a major tournament.
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I met Moyes a few weeks ago and asked him if he wanted to come and manage us.
He laughed.
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Hodgson doesn't need the day to day of club management. He's in a job that suits him at his stage of his career and this will very likely be last last rodeo.
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We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?
I don't get it either.
As somebody else pointed out, if you wanted a signal that we still think we're a big club and that we're prepared to try and act the part again, getting a manager as well known and in my view, as good as Moyes, would be a big step towards that.
Indeed not wanting him is absolutely bonkers.
Try telling that to Man United and Real Sociedad supporters.
The bigger picture not really your thing then..?
Actually it is, just splashed out on a new 55" HD tv this week.
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Chris Coleman is out of contract with Wales after the Euro's. I reckon he could do the job for us in the Championship but can he cut it in the PL is any body’s guess.
Coleman did a good job at Fulham but his jobs afterwards were nothing to write home about. He's also been out of club football for quite a few years now.
I do always worry about that with managers who manage international teams for a few years and then come back into club football, they seem to lose touch with the game as we see with Van Gaal at United.
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Chris Coleman is out of contract with Wales after the Euro's. I reckon he could do the job for us in the Championship but can he cut it in the PL is any body’s guess.
Coleman did a good job at Fulham but his jobs afterwards were nothing to write home about. He's also been out of club football for quite a few years now.
I do always worry about that with managers who manage international teams for a few years and then come back into club football, they seem to lose touch with the game as we see with Van Gaal at United.
As someone who follows Welsh football, I'd be very disappointed if we ended up with Chris Coleman. He's done well with Wales, but he has had the luxury of having one of the best players in world football in the side. I'm not sure he would have been able to take Northern Ireland or the Republic to a major final tbh.
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Chris Coleman is out of contract with Wales after the Euro's. I reckon he could do the job for us in the Championship but can he cut it in the PL is any body’s guess.
Coleman did a good job at Fulham but his jobs afterwards were nothing to write home about. He's also been out of club football for quite a few years now.
I do always worry about that with managers who manage international teams for a few years and then come back into club football, they seem to lose touch with the game as we see with Van Gaal at United.
Mark Hughes seemed to make that transition.
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Gary Monk touted by The Sun this morning.I do hope not.
It's Monk's Time to jazz things up a bit at Villa
that's a bit Felonious to me
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If Monk got the job I'd have to say I'd be just as Dizziely disappointed if Gary Gillespie became his assistant.
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Nice
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This is an appropriate time to mention that my other half got me a Jazz Club t-shirt for my birthday last Tuesday.
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If England have a decent Euro's I think Roy Hodgson will retire gracefully.
He blew that chance when he did not resign over the shameful and embarrassing tournament exit he is responsible for.
Lovely man who represents everything wrong with the England setup. While I am still gutted that Villa threw in the towel this January, England did it by keeping the proven failure of Hodgson around after he demonstrated how out of his depth he was.
Useless at the international level.
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While I'm no great fan of Hodgson, I think there's a certain revisionism between the expectations of the World Cup in Brazil and what actually happened. As soon as the draw was made, it was doom and gloom and, 'oh well, we're going there for the experience and we should be aiming for 2016 anyway'. When we didn't manage to compete, as expected, with the likes of Suarez and Pirlo, everybody lost their shit and labelled it a disaster. What happened was pretty much what we all expected.
In the Euros, though, I don't see there's any excuse for England not to reach the quarter finals at least.
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While I'm no great fan of Hodgson, I think there's a certain revisionism between the expectations of the World Cup in Brazil and what actually happened. As soon as the draw was made, it was doom and gloom and, 'oh well, we're going there for the experience and we should be aiming for 2016 anyway'. When we didn't manage to compete, as expected, with the likes of Suarez and Pirlo, everybody lost their shit and labelled it a disaster. What happened was pretty much what we all expected.
In the Euros, though, I don't see there's any excuse for England not to reach the quarter finals at least.
How can England not have a decent tournament with Kane and Vardy up front? Rooney isn't going to play is he?
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Some background reading on Moyes..
TSMIII (https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/david-moyes-tactically-inept.40410/)
The Legacy (https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/the-moyes-influence-on-everton.79213/)
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If England have a decent Euro's I think Roy Hodgson will retire gracefully.
He blew that chance when he did not resign over the shameful and embarrassing tournament exit he is responsible for.
Lovely man who represents everything wrong with the England setup. While I am still gutted that Villa threw in the towel this January, England did it by keeping the proven failure of Hodgson around after he demonstrated how out of his depth he was.
Useless at the international level.
Shameful and embarrassing to lose by the odd goal to Uruguay and Italy with the poorest squad in living memory?
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If England have a decent Euro's I think Roy Hodgson will retire gracefully.
He blew that chance when he did not resign over the shameful and embarrassing tournament exit he is responsible for.
Lovely man who represents everything wrong with the England setup. While I am still gutted that Villa threw in the towel this January, England did it by keeping the proven failure of Hodgson around after he demonstrated how out of his depth he was.
Useless at the international level.
Shameful and embarrassing to lose by the odd goal to Uruguay and Italy with the poorest squad in living memory?
As for 'useless at the international level', he did a very decent job with all three of Switzerland, the UAE and Finland and more than fulfilled expectations.
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If England have a decent Euro's I think Roy Hodgson will retire gracefully.
He blew that chance when he did not resign over the shameful and embarrassing tournament exit he is responsible for.
Lovely man who represents everything wrong with the England setup. While I am still gutted that Villa threw in the towel this January, England did it by keeping the proven failure of Hodgson around after he demonstrated how out of his depth he was.
Useless at the international level.
Shameful and embarrassing to lose by the odd goal to Uruguay and Italy with the poorest squad in living memory?
As for 'useless at the international level', he did a very decent job with both Switzerland and Finland and more than fulfilled expectations.
I read an article a while back about the tiny number of players Hodgson can pick from. It pointed out that, the previous weekend, a total of 30 England-qualified players played in the top flight.
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I think Hodgson is doing a good job.
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I wish we'd got Hodgson when MON bolted.
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If England have a decent Euro's I think Roy Hodgson will retire gracefully.
He blew that chance when he did not resign over the shameful and embarrassing tournament exit he is responsible for.
Lovely man who represents everything wrong with the England setup. While I am still gutted that Villa threw in the towel this January, England did it by keeping the proven failure of Hodgson around after he demonstrated how out of his depth he was.
Useless at the international level.
Shameful and embarrassing to lose by the odd goal to Uruguay and Italy with the poorest squad in living memory?
As for 'useless at the international level', he did a very decent job with both Switzerland and Finland and more than fulfilled expectations.
I read an article a while back about the tiny number of players Hodgson can pick from. It pointed out that, the previous weekend, a total of 30 England-qualified players played in the top flight.
Yet in the 70s when the top division was full of English players, England struggłed to qualify for tournaments. Taylor's side didn't qualify in 1994 either when the likes of Ripley, Sherwood and Wilcox were burning up the top flight.
Think England have a decent chance this time. Light on quality at centre half and strangely still appear to favour average athletes (Milner, Henderson, Ox) in midfield ahead of playmakers like Noble or even Barry.
But Hart is one of the best keepers in Europe, full backs Walker and Rose have had great seasons. Alli is the most exciting English talent since Rooney. Up front, Sturridge, Kane, Vardy, Rooney - no other team in Europe has kind of talent to choose from. Even Defoe would be back up striker for most of the best teams in Europe.
Don't think Hodgson will be under any pressure to start Rooney now and that might work well. Kane has to start, as do Sturridge and Alli. Delph is a loss though, fine counter attacking player ideally suited to tournament football.
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Much of that is perfectly valid until they come to tournament play and they find a way to collectively shit the bed. I hope Hodgson has the balls to pick the players on form and not fall back to selecting Milner, Walcott, Delph, Townsend etc. He has an opportunity to push England on at this event. Unfortunately I think he'll play it safe and some good on form players who deserve to be there will miss out.
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Right TV. He is the classic percentage player.
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And back to the original topic......
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This is an appropriate time to mention that my other half got me a Jazz Club t-shirt for my birthday last Tuesday.
Groovy
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This is an appropriate time to mention that my other half got me a Jazz Club t-shirt for my birthday last Tuesday.
Groovy
No way.....more like cool kat
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Slow news day eh? It has all gone rather quiet.
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all those reports that Remi would be gone in hours seem to have been somewhat off the mark,
is the power of the press waning?
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Slow news day eh? It has all gone rather quiet.
It usually means quite a lot is going on in the background when it goes ominously quiet. Nothing about Reilly either! We may hear good news next week. Or then again we may hear nothing!
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Slow news day eh? It has all gone rather quiet.
It usually means quite a lot is going on in the background when it goes ominously quiet. Nothing about Reilly either! We may hear good news next week. Or then again we may hear nothing!
It's like an old fashioned Western. Somebody says to Alan Ladd, "it's all gone mighty quiet" and next second an arrow thuds into the middle of his chest.
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Slow news day eh? It has all gone rather quiet.
It usually means quite a lot is going on in the background when it goes ominously quiet. Nothing about Reilly either! We may hear good news next week. Or then again we may hear nothing!
It's like an old fashioned Western. Somebody says to Alan Ladd, "it's all gone mighty quiet" and next second an arrow thuds into the middle of his chest.
My mums favourite was Alan Ladd,
He was a bit on the short side and used to stand on a box in some of his scenes, so me mum said
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Slow news day eh? It has all gone rather quiet.
It usually means quite a lot is going on in the background when it goes ominously quiet. Nothing about Reilly either! We may hear good news next week. Or then again we may hear nothing!
It's like an old fashioned Western. Somebody says to Alan Ladd, "it's all gone mighty quiet" and next second an arrow thuds into the middle of his chest.
Eric......you require!
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Slow news day eh? It has all gone rather quiet.
It usually means quite a lot is going on in the background when it goes ominously quiet. Nothing about Reilly either! We may hear good news next week. Or then again we may hear nothing!
It's like an old fashioned Western. Somebody says to Alan Ladd, "it's all gone mighty quiet" and next second an arrow thuds into the middle of his chest.
My mums favourite was Alan Ladd,
He was a bit on the short side and used to stand on a box in some of his scenes, so me mum said
Or they dug a hole for his leading ladies to stand in, allegedly.
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Audie Murphy is the best cowboy ever IMO. So given the choice between him and Alan Ladd for our next manager I'd go with Audie every time.
And don't forget Audie Murphy has been To Hell And Back so managing the Villa should be a breeze.
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This is an appropriate time to mention that my other half got me a Jazz Club t-shirt for my birthday last Tuesday.
Groovy
No way.....more like cool kat
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Audie Murphy is the best cowboy ever IMO. So given the choice between him and Alan Ladd for our next manager I'd go with Audie every time.
And don't forget Audie Murphy has been To Hell And Back so managing the Villa should be a breeze.
The General would love him, highly decorated war hero would be right up his street. Being dead for over 40 years should be no barrier to convincing Lerner he is the right man.
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Audie Murphy is the best cowboy ever IMO. So given the choice between him and Alan Ladd for our next manager I'd go with Audie every time.
And don't forget Audie Murphy has been To Hell And Back so managing the Villa should be a breeze.
The General would love him, highly decorated war hero would be right up his street. Being dead for over 40 years should be no barrier to convincing Lerner he is the right man.
We'd probably need to add a clairvoyant to the back office team so that Randy could have his 3 chat a week with the manager.
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Audie Murphy would certainly keep General Krulak up to the mark. Audie did not have enough space on his uniform for all his WW2 medals.
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At one stage, wasn't Audie Murphy America's most decorated soldier? I loved his films when I was a kid. He had a very sorry ending didn't he?
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he died in a plane crash
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I thought it was suicide. Wasn't he charged/under suspicion for murder? I'll have to look it up.
Nope, just looked him up. Buried with full military honours. No mention of anything untoward. How I got that into my head has to be filed with all the rest of the shit I sometimes post.
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You can visit his grave at Arlington
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I think it was Dr Crippen you were thinking of Dave.
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I wonder if Brian will be recommending Simon Grayson.
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Audience Murphy best cowboy ever??
I think a few of our recent managers would give him a run for his money
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I wonder if Sir Brian will be named caretaker manager?
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It hasn't taken The Mirror long to jump on board, and go one better than John Percy as we apparently have serious buyers waiting in the wings, ready for a take over after we clear the slate for them. Sounds like a crock to me but nice if true.
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I wonder if Brian will be recommending Simon Grayson.
I hope not. Not managed either a big club, or in the Premiership. Moyes every day of the week for me.
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It hasn't taken The Mirror long to jump on board, and go one better than John Percy as we apparently have serious buyers waiting in the wings, ready for a take over after we clear the slate for them. Sounds like a crock to me but nice if true.
sounds like a very easy throwaway line without any foundation. No doubt it will have those left at TBAR unzipping their pants.
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I wonder if Brian will be recommending Simon Grayson.
I hope not. Not managed either a big club, or in the Premiership. Moyes every day of the week for me.
Fair play to you so, if that is what floats your boat. You should consider giving it a rest on Sunday though, and just chill as advised by considerate lover Craig David.
Monday
I met Moysey on Monday
Took him for a drink on Tuesday
We were making love by Wednesday
And on Thursday & Friday & Saturday we chilled on Sunday
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You made love to David Moyes? Good for you.
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it wasn't funny. He didn't smile once.
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I would take Bruce , Pearson or moyes .
And they need to be given time to do the job . When we get rid of garde that will be 4 mgrs in 14 months !
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We'll probably appoint all 3 within the next year given our current track record.
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We'll probably appoint all 3 within the next year given our current track record.
That made me chuckle.
I know we probably say this each time we change manager but this one really does have the feel of being make or break.
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ok if Remi is a goner, then
David Moyes would the Best catch possible.
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I agree
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I wonder if Brian will be recommending Simon Grayson.
I hope not. Not managed either a big club, or in the Premiership. Moyes every day of the week for me.
Hate to break it to you, but we won't be in the Premiership soon. Agreed Moyes 100%
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I wonder if Brian will be recommending Simon Grayson.
I hope not. Not managed either a big club, or in the Premiership. Moyes every day of the week for me.
Hate to break it to you, but we won't be in the Premiership soon. Agreed Moyes 100%
got to agree
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I wonder if Brian will be recommending Simon Grayson.
I hope not. Not managed either a big club, or in the Premiership. Moyes every day of the week for me.
Hate to break it to you, but we won't be in the Premiership soon. Agreed Moyes 100%
got to agree
The club needs a lift, and the appointment of David Moyes sends out all the right messages.
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I wonder if Brian will be recommending Simon Grayson.
I hope not. Not managed either a big club, or in the Premiership. Moyes every day of the week for me.
Hate to break it to you, but we won't be in the Premiership soon. Agreed Moyes 100%
got to agree
The club needs a lift, and the appointment of David Moyes sends out all the right messages.
What on God's earth are you talking about we haven't appointed him as manager Er....have we?
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I think he is just being optimistically presumptuous.
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I wonder if Brian will be recommending Simon Grayson.
I hope not. Not managed either a big club, or in the Premiership. Moyes every day of the week for me.
Hate to break it to you, but we won't be in the Premiership soon. Agreed Moyes 100%
got to agree
The club needs a lift, and the appointment of David Moyes sends out all the right messages.
Indeed and I think it's absolutely essential that we send out the right signals this summer. We need to make it clear we're looking to come back stronger and rebuild, rather than just give up, or even worse, implode. Going after Moyes or Rodgers would say the right things and show ambition. Moyes in particular is a great match for Villa.
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I wonder if Brian will be recommending Simon Grayson.
I hope not. Not managed either a big club, or in the Premiership. Moyes every day of the week for me.
Re Grayson, he has managed at Leeds who are a big club. He got sacked there when they were in touching distance of the play offs in the championship. He has managed at 4 clubs and gained promotion at every one. He is obviously on the same wave length as Sir Brian. This suggestion isn't as ludicrous as it sounds.
Moyes is my first choice but I'd rather Grayson than Bruce.
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I wonder if Brian will be recommending Simon Grayson.
I hope not. Not managed either a big club, or in the Premiership. Moyes every day of the week for me.
Re Grayson, he has managed at Leeds who are a big club. He got sacked there when they were in touching distance of the play offs in the championship. He has managed at 4 clubs and gained promotion at every one. He is obviously on the same wave length as Sir Brian. This suggestion isn't as ludicrous as it sounds.
Moyes is my first choice but I'd rather Grayson than Bruce.
I'd agree with that.
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Ok, let's go for yet another punt. If it comes off, great. Personally I would prefer Moyes or Rodgers. Grayson may be one for the future but we have to get this one right.
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Ok, let's go for yet another punt. If it comes off, great. Personally I would prefer Moyes or Rodgers. Grayson may be one for the future but we have to get this one right.
Well beyond Moyes and Rodgers, they'll all be total punts. But yes, I do hope we get this one right. Moyes should fancy the gig, it's just a case of us paying him enough and ensuring the club is going to be run honestly and sensibly. Moyes won't want his pants pulled down.
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Ok, let's go for yet another punt. If it comes off, great. Personally I would prefer Moyes or Rodgers. Grayson may be one for the future but we have to get this one right.
Well beyond Moyes and Rodgers, they'll all be total punts.
Because Moyes and Rodgers are 100%, nailed-on, certain successes are they?
And they are the only two people in the world who are?
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Ok, let's go for yet another punt. If it comes off, great. Personally I would prefer Moyes or Rodgers. Grayson may be one for the future but we have to get this one right.
Well beyond Moyes and Rodgers, they'll all be total punts.
Because Moyes and Rodgers are 100%, nailed-on, certain successes are they?
And they are the only two people in the world who are?
Of course not. But if we're talking reasonable bets who may actually come here, those two are top of the list.
As far as who I think will be in charge, it'll probably be Pearson.
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Until the end of the season Will Hay. Assisted by Moore Marriott and Graham Moffatt. There's no point in half measures.
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Until the end of the season Will Hay. Assisted by Moore Marriott and Graham Moffatt. There's no point in half measures.
I suspect that many on here would not have heard of the great Will Hay, Ronshirt, or his wonderful sidekicks, Moore Marriott and Graham Moffatt. However I'd give them at least until Christmas 2016- they tend to be a tad disorganised initially but come good in the end ( ref 'Ask a Policeman').
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Ok, let's go for yet another punt. If it comes off, great. Personally I would prefer Moyes or Rodgers. Grayson may be one for the future but we have to get this one right.
Well beyond Moyes and Rodgers, they'll all be total punts.
Because Moyes and Rodgers are 100%, nailed-on, certain successes are they?
And they are the only two people in the world who are?
Of course not. But if we're talking reasonable bets who may actually come here, those two are top of the list.
As far as who I think will be in charge, it'll probably be Pearson.
It's a punt whomever they pick. Reasonableness is in the eye of the beholder. Personally I dread Moyes getting it, I think it'll be a short lived reign. But I don't know whether I'm right anymore than you do.
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Mick Jagger hes the man can fill arenas were the pope wanted no one to turn up
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I expect Will Hay will have his hands full privatising the nation's schools.
*He commonly played the part of a cane swishing, mortar board wearing headmaster, though not in Oh Mr Porter.
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I expect Will Hay will have his hands full privatising the nation's schools.
*He commonly played the part of a cane swishing, mortar board wearing headmaster, though not in Oh Mr Porter.
I liked the one when he was a policeman thwarting smugglers in Cornwall.
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The Telegraph and The Mirror state that Dyche and Pearson are the two preferred candidates according to Newsnow.
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The "new" article in the Telegraph is a rehash of old news plus Sean Dyche's name thrown in for good measure.
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The Telegraph and The Mirror state that Dyche and Pearson are the two preferred candidates according to Newsnow.
and it says
New board member David Bernstein and ex-Villa manager Brian Little, who is now acting as an advisor for the club, will lead the process and the pair are understood to favour a British manager who has a promotion to the Premier League on their CV
so that rules Moyes out then
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Has there been an Inside Out sequel but with SBL and Bernstein?
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The Telegraph and The Mirror state that Dyche and Pearson are the two preferred candidates according to Newsnow.
and it says
New board member David Bernstein and ex-Villa manager Brian Little, who is now acting as an advisor for the club, will lead the process and the pair are understood to favour a British manager who has a promotion to the Premier League on their CV
so that rules Moyes out then
I can't believe they'd be so closed-minded. If a manager can win football matches in the top division (as Moyes pre his Man Utd calamity did), surely they can do the same one division lower? None of the three managers who brought up promoted teams last season fitted the suggested profile, and two of them have done pretty well. You appoint the man who you think can do the best job, not one who has already achieved EXACTLY the thing you want to achieve.
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The Telegraph and The Mirror state that Dyche and Pearson are the two preferred candidates according to Newsnow.
and it says
New board member David Bernstein and ex-Villa manager Brian Little, who is now acting as an advisor for the club, will lead the process and the pair are understood to favour a British manager who has a promotion to the Premier League on their CV
so that rules Moyes out then
I can't believe they'd be so closed-minded. If a manager can win football matches in the top division (as Moyes pre his Man Utd calamity did), surely they can do the same one division lower? None of the three managers who brought up promoted teams last season fitted the suggested profile, and two of them have done pretty well. You appoint the man who you think can do the best job, not one who has already achieved EXACTLY the thing you want to achieve.
I'd be astonished if Moyes wasn't one of our top choices. He does have a promotion on his CV and he was close to getting Preston promoted to the Premiership. That's if we're conveniently forgetting what he did at Everton, which I hope the board are not doing.
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Telegraph article link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/03/27/aston-villa-target-sean-dyche-and-nigel-pearson-as-remi-garde-re/
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I bet Moyes is a candidate, it's just whether the role suits both parties.
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if he isn't, our lot need their bumps feeling
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I suppose all we can do now is sit back and hope now we have finally a board who know how to run a big football club can be trusted to pick a manager and work together to rebuild the mess that Randy and all his failed appointments have created.
Surely now if we have it right from the top and a plan and structure in place as long as the manager is half decent and is allowed to run it how he sees fit we'll be much stronger than we have been in the last 5 years.
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Is that the Daily Mirror whose Darren Lewis said last week that Moyes was on his way to VP? And the Torygraph with its poisonous mole feeding them fuck you pay back stories but cannot even spell the names of those they target?
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The Telegraph and The Mirror state that Dyche and Pearson are the two preferred candidates according to Newsnow.
and it says
New board member David Bernstein and ex-Villa manager Brian Little, who is now acting as an advisor for the club, will lead the process and the pair are understood to favour a British manager who has a promotion to the Premier League on their CV
so that rules Moyes out then
If that's the criteria Colin Wanker should be on the list. And there was me thinking things couldn't get worse
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Pearson and Dyche?
Fucking hell.
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You get a lift when you read Moyes wants the job then you wake up to stories linking us to Dyche and Pearson and are brought straight back down to earth with a bump again.
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The Telegraph and The Mirror state that Dyche and Pearson are the two preferred candidates according to Newsnow.
and it says
New board member David Bernstein and ex-Villa manager Brian Little, who is now acting as an advisor for the club, will lead the process and the pair are understood to favour a British manager who has a promotion to the Premier League on their CV
so that rules Moyes out then
If that's the criteria Colin Wanker should be on the list. And there was me thinking things couldn't get worse
Or Malky Mackay. He's out of work too.
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You get a lift when you read Moyes wants the job then you wake up to stories linking us to Dyche and Pearson and are brought straight back down to earth with a bump again.
And none of it means anything as long as it's know nothing journalists guessing / shit stirring / desperately trying to fill column inches over an Easter weekend deprived of 2 lots of 19 PL games and 21 championship games to write about.
After the international match reports, our demise is the biggest story out there on a weekend without league football in the top two flights and in the absence of anything new or definite to write about, writing the exact opposite of what was printed 3 days ago is the easiest money they'll "earn" this season.
Where we are stinks and is shit. Don't let a couple of journalists that would barely know the difference between 442 and 532 make it worse.
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You get a lift when you read Moyes wants the job then you wake up to stories linking us to Dyche and Pearson and are brought straight back down to earth with a bump again.
and as ever with stories none of us knows what is true. It's as easy for a paper to shove "and it is understood Villa have placed promotional specialist Neil Warnock high on their list of candidates" into an article and let the masses collapse in rage, laughter and anger. I think if Fox/Randy were in charge then opting for what might be "a safe pair of hands" at Championship level this time around would be guaranteed. Hopefully Little and Bernstein are being allowed to conduct a proper search looking for the right man for the circumstances and that we all trust their judgement.
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I have a very hard time believing Bernstein would limit his choices that way if he was looking for a Garde replacement. God knows getting promoted will be hard enough let alone trying to do it by recruiting with one hand behind your back.
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I would imagine the papers know as much about our manager for next season as we do. Little and Bernstein will make their recommendations on what is best for the club but ultimately they may not get their preferred choice down to budgetary restraints place on a future manager who may decide he can't work with whatever is on offer. Someone will be managing the team next season but whether he was our first choice or not we will never get to know.
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Presumably Quique Flores, Eddie Howe and Alex Neil hadn't had experience of getting a team promoted into the Premier League before? (Just to use this season's promoted teams' managers as examples).
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I'm pretty sure McLeish and Lambert got their teams promoted too. The fact is there are no rules other than being the best fit for the club right now.
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Presumably Quique Flores, Eddie Howe and Alex Neil hadn't had experience of getting a team promoted into the Premier League before? (Just to use this season's promoted teams' managers as examples).
Flores still hasn't.
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I'm pretty sure McLeish and Lambert got their teams promoted too. The fact is there are no rules other than being the best fit for the club right now.
Indeed. And there's no way that Garde was the right fit, either when he was appointed or now.
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Seems Dyche is as popular as Donald Trump .. Why ? He got Burnley promoted previously & could well do it again this year ...surely thats the 'type' of manager we require ?
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Seems Dyche is as popular as Donald Trump .. Why ? He got Burnley promoted previously & could well do it again this year ...surely thats the 'type' of manager we require ?
Both McLeish and Lambert got teams promoted as well but I wouldn't want their type here again.
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Seems Dyche is as popular as Donald Trump .. Why ? He got Burnley promoted previously & could well do it again this year ...surely thats the 'type' of manager we require ?
As previously stated, if you're looking at multiple promotions, McLeish and Warnock both have these. That has nothing to do with the 'type' of manager.
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Seems Dyche is as popular as Donald Trump .. Why ? He got Burnley promoted previously & could well do it again this year ...surely thats the 'type' of manager we require ?
Both McLeish and Lambert got teams promoted as well but I wouldn't want their type here again.
I hear you, but whats your problem with Dyche?
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Presumably Quique Flores, Eddie Howe and Alex Neil hadn't had experience of getting a team promoted into the Premier League before? (Just to use this season's promoted teams' managers as examples).
Flores still hasn't.
Good point though I wouldn't mind giving him a chance at it. With how much messing around with managers Watford have done, it really goes to show how important getting the structure of a club right is. Then its a case of getting someone who has a good fit with that structure and by looking at managers on an individual basis without understanding the structure, we're probably barking up the wrong tree.
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Seems Dyche is as popular as Donald Trump .. Why ? He got Burnley promoted previously & could well do it again this year ...surely thats the 'type' of manager we require ?
Both McLeish and Lambert got teams promoted as well but I wouldn't want their type here again.
I hear you, but whats your problem with Dyche?
Flip it the other way. Genuine question - aside from a promotion on his CV, what convinces you he is the right man for the job?
Because that should be the question we're asking when appointing.
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Seems Dyche is as popular as Donald Trump .. Why ? He got Burnley promoted previously & could well do it again this year ...surely thats the 'type' of manager we require ?
Both McLeish and Lambert got teams promoted as well but I wouldn't want their type here again.
I hear you, but whats your problem with Dyche?
Flip it the other way. Genuine question - aside from a promotion on his CV, what convinces you he is the right man for the job?
Because that should be the question we're asking when appointing.
Firstly just to clarify... My1st choice would be Moyes ... although his one problem may be that he has been away from the championship too long .. However if Dyche was appointed I honestly think he could get us promoted first time of asking and keep us there with some decent funding, I have watched his Burnley teams on a few occasions whilst up North and his style of play and attitude seem spot on to me .
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Why does being away from the championship too long make him a questionable candidate to manage a football club at that level? Is he a competent manager or isn't he and would his ability to manage differentiate him from anyone else we could possibly hire?
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Seems Dyche is as popular as Donald Trump .. Why ? He got Burnley promoted previously & could well do it again this year ...surely thats the 'type' of manager we require ?
Both McLeish and Lambert got teams promoted as well but I wouldn't want their type here again.
I hear you, but whats your problem with Dyche?
Flip it the other way. Genuine question - aside from a promotion on his CV, what convinces you he is the right man for the job?
Because that should be the question we're asking when appointing.
Firstly just to clarify... My1st choice would be Moyes ... although his one problem may be that he has been away from the championship too long .. However if Dyche was appointed I honestly think he could get us promoted first time of asking and keep us there with some decent funding, I have watched his Burnley teams on a few occasions whilst up North and his style of play and attitude seem spot on to me .
He knows what it takes to succeed in the Championship
Under Dyche’s reign, Burnley have lost just 10 of their last 89 games in the second tier.
His troops are well-organised, motivated and incredibly tough to beat.
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Why does being away from the championship too long make him a questionable candidate to manage a football club at that level? Is he a competent manager or isn't he and would his ability to manage differentiate him from anyone else we could possibly hire?
Moyes might rate better than those Villa have appointed in the last few years, but is he the right man for Villa now?
He's not my choice before some who could be in frame, although he'd be before managers such as Coleman
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Why does being away from the championship too long make him a questionable candidate to manage a football club at that level? Is he a competent manager or isn't he and would his ability to manage differentiate him from anyone else we could possibly hire?
Only the fact that is best part of 20 years since he managed a team in that league .... Has he the knowledge of players in that division ? As ive said i would gladly take the risk and he would still be my first choice .
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Why does being away from the championship too long make him a questionable candidate to manage a football club at that level? Is he a competent manager or isn't he and would his ability to manage differentiate him from anyone else we could possibly hire?
Moyes might rate better than those Villa have appointed in the last few years, but is he the right man for Villa now?
He's not my choice before some who could be in frame, although he'd be before managers such as Coleman
yes boz , i would rather have mick mcarthy instead of moyes
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Seems Dyche is as popular as Donald Trump .. Why ? He got Burnley promoted previously & could well do it again this year ...surely thats the 'type' of manager we require ?
Both McLeish and Lambert got teams promoted as well but I wouldn't want their type here again.
I hear you, but whats your problem with Dyche?
Flip it the other way. Genuine question - aside from a promotion on his CV, what convinces you he is the right man for the job?
Because that should be the question we're asking when appointing.
Firstly just to clarify... My1st choice would be Moyes ... although his one problem may be that he has been away from the championship too long .. However if Dyche was appointed I honestly think he could get us promoted first time of asking and keep us there with some decent funding, I have watched his Burnley teams on a few occasions whilst up North and his style of play and attitude seem spot on to me .
He knows what it takes to succeed in the Championship
Under Dyche’s reign, Burnley have lost just 10 of their last 89 games in the second tier.
His troops are well-organised, motivated and incredibly tough to beat.
Nothing like a copy and paste from an evening mail article.
I think Dyche is a younger version of Allardyce personally. In time he will be a lower mid table premier league manager, but always struggle to take sides beyond a certain level. Burnley looked well set up last season but never had enough to win matches due to lacking creativity, something I think will happen again next season. Bournemouth on the other hand still create chances for fun, because of the style they play under Howe. I think Moyes is somewhere a step up from Dyche, and I genuinely have no idea where, with his backroom team, I would sit the crazy bloke from Leicester. Genius, madman, fraud, lucky, awful. God knows, but I don't want him here.
As such if Moyes is "gettable" we should be doing all we can.
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Prior to Paul Lamberts appointment, Moyes was always my preferred choice. Now because of the negativity about his downfall at Man Utd and the Spanish sebatical I've overlooked him. Positives - experience of managing at the top, can organise a defence, disciplinarian, good in the transfer market, available now, sees us as a big club and wants the job. Negatives - can't think of any.
Has to be a safer appointment than Dyche, I respect the fact that he's a decent Championship manager but I want a long term appointment someone who is going to get us up and then get us aiming towards the top 6 in the Prem.
I'm sure he could be our new Graham Taylor - surely its only a debate around financial compensation for Remi and his staff to leave, Moyes could be in the dugout for Saturday if they get a shift on.
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I think Moyes would only take the Villa job on as a last resort , probably in July , if he is unable to get a premier league job or the Celtic job doesnt become vacant
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Pat Murphy speaks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03pfsf1
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Pat Murphy speaks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03pfsf1
In Brian we trust.
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A lot of baggies fans rate Pearson highly for his time there as No2 and caretaker manager when they apparently never lost a game and are apparently hoping we don't get him.
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There's a number of things that I have read about Pearson that I like. There's a number of other things that I have read about Pearson that I don't like. What doesn't get discussed enough is the work he did at Leicester outside of the months where they sat at or near the bottom of the PL. That he did actually get them into the PL and he did sign a lot of the players that have taken Leicester to the top of the table. He comes across as a very dislikeable person but then again I'm not looking to take warm showers with him (Heartbreak Ridge reference). I would need him to be a good football manager, and his record isn't terrible. The key thing for me is who else is out there that we can actually attract, and if there are better overall candidates we should be trying to get them.
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Pat Murphy speaks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03pfsf1
In Brian we trust.
Interesting that it will be Brian making the approach to potential managers. Murphy claimed Moyes "would like talks" but I wonder if he's basing that on how crap he thinks we are and what he's read in the tabloids.
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Less than 24 hours after sacking a manager we are talking about when to dispense with his potential successor when there is nothing of substance to say he is even in the frame. The weird and wacky world of Heroes and Villains.
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A lot of baggies fans rate Pearson highly for his time there as No2 and caretaker manager when they apparently never lost a game and are apparently hoping we don't get him.
His (Pearson) backroom staff, Walsh and Shakespeare, are still at Leicester. I don't think they'll be beating a path to our door to follow Pearson should he be appointed here.
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Less than 24 hours after sacking a manager we are talking about when to dispense with his potential successor when there is nothing of substance to say he is even in the frame. The weird and wacky world of Heroes and Villains.
Ha! You know it makes sense, Chris.
BTW, I'm still waiting for photographic evidence of you eating your hat after Cahill captained England. ;)
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There's a number of things that I have read about Pearson that I like. There's a number of other things that I have read about Pearson that I don't like. What doesn't get discussed enough is the work he did at Leicester outside of the months where they sat at or near the bottom of the PL. That he did actually get them into the PL and he did sign a lot of the players that have taken Leicester to the top of the table. He comes across as a very dislikeable person but then again I'm not looking to take warm showers with him (Heartbreak Ridge reference). I would need him to be a good football manager, and his record isn't terrible. The key thing for me is who else is out there that we can actually attract, and if there are better overall candidates we should be trying to get them.
I am limited in how much I care about the nice guy / bad guy thing, but Pearson is fucking nuts, it's not entirely about nice or bad guy.
If you can get over the whole embarrassment of his press conferences and that weird touch line thing with an opposition player, there's him telling one of their fans behind the bench to "fuck off and die".
If his record was amazing, I'd be happier to overlook stuff like that, but it's not.
I'd rather Dyche than Pearson, for example.
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Less than 24 hours after sacking a manager we are talking about when to dispense with his potential successor when there is nothing of substance to say he is even in the frame. The weird and wacky world of Heroes and Villains.
Ha! You know it makes sense, Chris.
BTW, I'm still waiting for photographic evidence of you eating your hat after Cahill captained England. ;)
Did I really say I would eat my hat? I definitely didn't, and still don't, think he is good enough to be England captain but it just isn't a phrase I tend to use.
In order to honour my debt you'll have to lend me one of your baseball caps, Rudy, as I don't own a hat.
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Less than 24 hours after sacking a manager we are talking about when to dispense with his potential successor when there is nothing of substance to say he is even in the frame. The weird and wacky world of Heroes and Villains.
Ha! You know it makes sense, Chris.
BTW, I'm still waiting for photographic evidence of you eating your hat after Cahill captained England. ;)
Did I really say I would eat my hat? I definitely didn't, and still don't, think he is good enough to be England captain but it just isn't a phrase I tend to use.
In order to honour my debt you'll have to lend me one of your baseball caps, Rudy, as I don't own a hat.
It will have to be a flat cap. I spent far too many years in Yorkshire.
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I was a bit worried when I saw 'Villa want Briton to replace Garde' on the BBC, I thought hang on a minute, has Leon Briton even retired yet? Then I realised we were back to our old criteria of British only, wish I guess is fair enough as we want to minimize the risk by having somebody who knows the leagues over here.
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Will Randy pay compensation for a manager still in a job? Just looking at the candidates they are mostly out of work.
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Will Randy pay compensation for a manager still in a job? Just looking at the candidates they are mostly out of work.
Shouldn't be an issue - he's paid for 3 in the last 12 months ;)
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Seems Dyche is as popular as Donald Trump .. Why ? He got Burnley promoted previously & could well do it again this year ...surely thats the 'type' of manager we require ?
and he got Burnley relegated at the first time of asking.
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Ruud Gullitt wants the job :o
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Ruud Gullitt wants the job :o
So do I, he probably has less chance of getting it than I do.
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Aside from him being barking, one of the major drawbacks of Pearson is his trusted assistants are locked in at Leicester and you'd imagine, highly unlikely to be going anywhere. We should hopefully have learnt a lesson in that respect about appointing managers without their teams.
Steve Round is available to join Moyes though.
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Will Randy pay compensation for a manager still in a job? Just looking at the candidates they are mostly out of work.
You can add Mourinho to that list, no compo top pay there........ Sorted
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For what it is worth - a view from Goodison
Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.
He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.
His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.
In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.
He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:
The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.
Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:
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Just what is it with Pat Murphy? He seems to have an axe to grind about this club and still sounds delighted that we're in trouble.
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Gary Neville is now available. We can then keep Gabby as he'll touch the ball maybe 10 times in a game.
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If Burnley are promoted again then in my view Sean Dyche will be the outstanding candidate.
For me Moyes is yesterday's man, tainted by failure. I can't see the appeal at all, I'd prefer Pearson.
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Pat Murphy speaks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03pfsf1
"........... Villa fans banging on about Villa being a big club........."
Fuck off Murphy, we know we are a big club, you patronising tosser.
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Pat Murphy speaks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03pfsf1
"........... Villa fans banging on about Villa being a big club........."
Fuck off Murphy, we know we are a big club, you patronising tosser.
I haven't listened but it is a long time since we behaved like a big club so it is not that outrageous a comment.
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Gary Neville is now available. We can then keep Gabby as he'll touch the ball maybe 10 times in a game.
If hes gone his brother wont be far behind, thats Moyes, Round and Neville all out of work, Thats Moyes and his backroom staff sorted
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Pat Murphy speaks
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03pfsf1
"........... Villa fans banging on about Villa being a big club........."
Fuck off Murphy, we know we are a big club, you patronising tosser.
To be fair, he said "massive club", and we're nowhere near being a massive club. I honestly think there's been a bit of misplaced arrogance over our imagined status, a sense of entitlement if you will, which has contributed to our slide. We're not nearly as big and important as some of us think we are, and we have to realise that absolutely nothing can be taken for granted any more.
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He mentioned Brian Little and said "the last Villa manger to win a trophy, 20, YEARS, AGO, how's that for a reality check to all the Villa fans that keep banging on about it being a massive club" fucking twat. I wonder if he talks like that when mentioning Everton, Newcastle, Sunderland who all last won something more than 20 years ago.
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He mentioned Brian Little and said "the last Villa manger to win a trophy, 20, YEARS, AGO, how's that for a reality check to all the Villa fans that keep banging on about it being a massive club" fucking twat. I wonder if he talks like when mentioning Everton, Newcastle, Sunderland who all last won something more than 20 years ago.
He probably would if they were on his patch.
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a knobhead who seemingly has an axe to grind regarding Villa because Randy wouldn't grant him an audience.
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He mentioned Brian Little and said "the last Villa manger to win a trophy, 20, YEARS, AGO, how's that for a reality check to all the Villa fans that keep banging on about it being a massive club" fucking twat. I wonder if he talks like when mentioning Everton, Newcastle, Sunderland who all last won something more than 20 years ago.
To be fair to Newcastle they did win the Northampton Hospital Charity Shield in 2012 and the Dublin Challenge Trophy in 1997. Other than those, their last proper silverware was in 1955.
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Murphy has his nose out of joint - he's the BBC Midlands Football Correspondent, yet has no access to the regions biggest club.
He thinks he is entitled to have direct access to Lerner, and always bangs on about it.
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For me Moyes is yesterday's man, tainted by failure. I can't see the appeal at all, I'd prefer Pearson.
Whereas Pearson has nothing but an unbroken string of successes and glories.
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That Murphy / Lerner moan came years ago,
I can't believe people actually believe it still bothers him, do people really think he wakes up every morning and tries to write bad things about villa because a Randy wouldn't speak to him
also there is plenty on here over the years that have wanted Randy to say a bit more
But hey feel free to carry on peddling the myths and shit if it makes you feel any better
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That Murphy / Lerner moan came years ago,
I can't believe people actually believe it still bothers him, do people really think he wakes up every morning and tries to write bad things about villa because a Randy wouldn't speak to him
also there is plenty on here over the years that have wanted Randy to say a bit more
But hey feel free to carry on peddling the myths and shit if it makes you feel any better
How do you know it doesn't? You're guessing as much as anyone else but seem to believe that your opinion is fact.
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We can probably count Brenda out, looks a decent chance he'll be back at Swansea.
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That Murphy / Lerner moan came years ago,
I can't believe people actually believe it still bothers him, do people really think he wakes up every morning and tries to write bad things about villa because a Randy wouldn't speak to him
also there is plenty on here over the years that have wanted Randy to say a bit more
But hey feel free to carry on peddling the myths and shit if it makes you feel any better
It's not a "myth and shit" - Murphy's made it clear many times whilst talking about us on FiveLive. He's toned it down recently, probably because he realised he was sounding like a broken record or realised it wasn't going to happen.
Of course Lerner should have talked to the fans either more - directly or via the media - the point was that Murphy thought he had an entitlement to be the one to talk to him.
Murphy is one of the better correspondents on FiveLive, but there is definitely an edge there where it comes to Villa - and occasionally - as with the reality check/massive club comment it comes out.
As for it making me feel any better - I can assure you it has little effect on my physical or mental well-being.
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That Murphy / Lerner moan came years ago,
I can't believe people actually believe it still bothers him, do people really think he wakes up every morning and tries to write bad things about villa because a Randy wouldn't speak to him
also there is plenty on here over the years that have wanted Randy to say a bit more
But hey feel free to carry on peddling the myths and shit if it makes you feel any better
It's not a "myth and shit" - Murphy's made it clear many times whilst talking about us on FiveLive. He's toned it down recently, probably because he realised he was sounding like a broken record or realised it wasn't going to happen due to Lerner being a Shunnamite.
Of course Lerner should have talked to the fans either more - directly or via the media - the point was that Murphy thought he had an entitlement to be the one to talk to him.
Murphy is one of the better correspondents on FiveLive, but there is definitely an edge there where it comes to Villa - and occasionally - as with the reality check/massive club comment it comes out.
As for it making me feel any better - I can assure you it has little effect on my physical or mental well-being.
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dp
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I've never had a problem with Pat Murphy. Let's face facts...we are not a big club anymore. Next season we will be playing in the championship against the likes of Burton. We have been overtaken by many clubs. In terms of money the likes of Southampton and west ham will be miles ahead of us not to mention the likes if stoke and Leicester. We have fucked up big time and now we are just another leeds or Sheffield Wednesday.
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Pat Murphy is a grade A Villa hating twat.
Thank fuck we wont get any attention from him in the Championship and might get assigned a competent reporter from the BBC.
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Let's not get all offended and upset. He doesn't think Villa are a big club? Then let's just pack out Villa Park next year in Division Two and prove him wrong.
Not that I'd be all that tempted to turn up and watch Nigel Pearson's team. He might do well for all I know, you can't predict these things, but my first feeling is a slight but unmistakeable nausea at the prospect of someone like that being associated with our club. It's like how I felt about Keane.
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Good summary of Moyes back a page or so. This is a difficult job and is a big club despite what Prat Murphy says about us. Has he forgotten our wonderful Intertoto Cup win? The bastard!! Steve Bruce is similar to Moyes in some ways. Tough choice!
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I'm in my mid forties, I've seen quite a few Villa managers come and go. Generally speaking I have felt positive about all of the appointments. With one notable exception, bleedin' David (ma babies) o leary. I even felt enough goodwill towards TSM1 as he spoke well about the club and I thought he deserved a chance.
But bloody Nigel Pearson. Absolutely not a Villa manager, small time and an embarrasment. Everyone says he's got Championship experience. so have all the other managers in that league but only three teams get promoted. Experience is just an excuse for crap pundits to spout utter rubbish. What we need is a good manager.
It has to be Moyes. (If he wants it).
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That Murphy / Lerner moan came years ago,
I can't believe people actually believe it still bothers him, do people really think he wakes up every morning and tries to write bad things about villa because a Randy wouldn't speak to him
also there is plenty on here over the years that have wanted Randy to say a bit more
But hey feel free to carry on peddling the myths and shit if it makes you feel any better
It's not a "myth and shit" - Murphy's made it clear many times whilst talking about us on FiveLive. He's toned it down recently, probably because he realised he was sounding like a broken record or realised it wasn't going to happen due to Lerner being a Shunnamite.
Of course Lerner should have talked to the fans either more - directly or via the media - the point was that Murphy thought he had an entitlement to be the one to talk to him.
Murphy is one of the better correspondents on FiveLive, but there is definitely an edge there where it comes to Villa - and occasionally - as with the reality check/massive club comment it comes out.
As for it making me feel any better - I can assure you it has little effect on my physical or mental well-being.
It's a myth he's still got a bee in his Bonnet about it like you think and he still harbours some sort of bitterness over it that makes him say nasty things about villa
That's a myth, I bet he don't give a shit about it if truth be told
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He mentions it enough.
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We can probably count Brenda out, looks a decent chance he'll be back at Swansea.
All aboard
Brenda's iron sledge
Please don't call me Reg
It's not my name
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I'm in my mid forties, I've seen quite a few Villa managers come and go. Generally speaking I have felt positive about all of the appointments. With one notable exception, bleedin' David (ma babies) o leary. I even felt enough goodwill towards TSM1 as he spoke well about the club and I thought he deserved a chance.
But bloody Nigel Pearson. Absolutely not a Villa manager, small time and an embarrasment. Everyone says he's got Championship experience. so have all the other managers in that league but only three teams get promoted. Experience is just an excuse for crap pundits to spout utter rubbish. What we need is a good manager.
It has to be Moyes. (If he wants it).
This sums up my feelings pretty much exactly (apart from being in my mid forties!).
If it is a choice between the two, I can't see how they could possibly opt for Pearson. It would be ludicrous. Apart from everything else, his record and reputation is not a patch on that of Moyes. Then you have his personality. *shudders*
I'm disappointed we're even considering him to be honest.
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I do think Neville is a shoe in for us!
Phil as Moyes coaching staff 😚
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Bernstein has said this week that there is no time to waste (presumably in all areas of the clubs) to put things right, which would indicate that the Board will be looking to get the new team Manager in before the season ends.
Apart from a new Manager there is the Head of Football Operstions to be appointed who is to be part of the football board. It is to be hoped Bernstein & Co will do due diligence to check that the 2 will get on as they will both be working at BMH. As I understand it the Manager reports direct to Bernstein and the HOF to the football board of which he will be a member.
Then in relation to the Main Board is the intention still to recruit a replacement CFO for Robin Russell and a CEO for Fox, assuming Hollis will not be continuing in that role in the medium/long term.
So that is 4 big appointments which will determine the fortunes of the club in the immediate future. Interesting times.
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Pat Murphy is a grade A Villa hating twat.
Thank fuck we wont get any attention from him in the Championship and might get assigned a competent reporter from the BBC.
That's your opinion and, as it so happens, I don't agree with a single word of it.
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Travelling up and down the M6 before and after the match over the years I think that Murphy has said what a lot of us have thought, I agree with most of his comments about the Villa and the way we have been run
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Pat Murphy is a grade A Villa hating twat.
Thank fuck we wont get any attention from him in the Championship and might get assigned a competent reporter from the BBC.
I do not think he hates Villa on the contrary he feels as frustrated as we do on lack of success. He calls it as he sees it. I rate his opinion.
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Pat Murphy is a consumate and professional broadcaster, one of the few who doesn't believe they are the star. He's also, off-air, a very funny and nice man. His one fault as I see it is that he's allowed the lack of co-operation from Villa towards the media to cloud his judgement towards us (he's not alone in that) and this in turn makes him a bit ungracious when he's proved right.
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Was it Murphy who put Pearson in his place?
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Was it Murphy who put Pearson in his place?
Pearson called him either a tool or a prick. Pearson insulted so many people it's hard to keep track of which insult he used with different people.
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I think Warburton from Rangers could be decent. Achieved loads at Brentford and was bizarrely moved on. Now has a big distressed club under his belt. He is very forward thinking.
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Pat Murphy is a grade A Villa hating twat.
Thank fuck we wont get any attention from him in the Championship and might get assigned a competent reporter from the BBC.
That's your opinion and, as it so happens, I don't agree with a single word of it.
Many respected posters such as yourself disagree with me on this point. Its cool :)
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For me Moyes is yesterday's man, tainted by failure. I can't see the appeal at all, I'd prefer Pearson.
Whereas Pearson has nothing but an unbroken string of successes and glories.
His last 2 seasons were extremely impressive, Moyes's were poor. His career is on a downward spiral.
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For me Moyes is yesterday's man, tainted by failure. I can't see the appeal at all, I'd prefer Pearson.
Whereas Pearson has nothing but an unbroken string of successes and glories.
His last 2 seasons were extremely impressive, Moyes's were poor. His career is on a downward spiral.
Compared to LVG Moyes was a huge success especially when you compare the budget spent and also the fact of who's boots he was filling. He did ok there all things considered.
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Moyes for me all day long. Not won anything admittedly but always had a strong home record during his time at Everton. Something we haven't had at Villa Park for centuries.
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Moyes for me all day long. Not won anything admittedly but always had a strong home record during his time at Everton. Something we haven't had at Villa Park for centuries.
Moyes' ceiling at Everton (and Man U?) seemed to be about 6th, with the odd 4th placed finish. That would have put me off previously but, nowadays, the distance to those giddy heights is so great that I would not have any problems with appointing him. I'd be delighted in fact.
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Bosko Balaban and Dalian Atkinson are both 100/1. Well worth a punt!
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Bosko Balaban and Dalian Atkinson are both 100/1. Well worth a punt!
Are Steve Hodge and Alpay attracting any odds?
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We should give Anne Robinson a grand just to tell her catchphrase to whomever is the most deserving
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We should give Anne Robinson a grand just to tell her catchphrase to whomever is the most deserving
Not sure how asking people to write to Points of View is going to help.......
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For me Moyes is yesterday's man, tainted by failure. I can't see the appeal at all, I'd prefer Pearson.
Whereas Pearson has nothing but an unbroken string of successes and glories.
His last 2 seasons were extremely impressive, Moyes's were poor. His career is on a downward spiral.
Compared to LVG Moyes was a huge success especially when you compare the budget spent and also the fact of who's boots he was filling. He did ok there all things considered.
oh we are a broad church, some classics here..
obtw
Shouldn't this threads name be changed to manager for the month, just to keep in step with the revolving door that is Villa Park.
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Is it worth resetting the poll now Remi has gone?
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Tbar just can't help themselves. ITK: Gary Monk. My mates dad's dog walker is a stunt body double for Gabby blah blah blah.
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Reset the poll in line with the bookies lists....
TBAR ITK on Monk. 4.99 a kilo from ASDA fish counter.
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I think a trio of Moyes and the 2 Neville's could work very well
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Pat Murphy is a grade A Villa hating twat.
Thank fuck we wont get any attention from him in the Championship and might get assigned a competent reporter from the BBC.
I do not think he hates Villa on the contrary he feels as frustrated as we do on lack of success. He calls it as he sees it. I rate his opinion.
That is my take on him too. He generally says what many of us on here say, only more eloquently.
Interestingly, Henry Winter was calling us a world class club / one of the great clubs in world football on 5Live earlier tonight.
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No Bielsa on the poll? Granted the Championship maybe beneath him but still. He is available and some of us have him as our first choice...
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For me, there is only David Moyes. Look at alternatives if he turns us down.
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I may have been a bit sniffy about him in the past, but given the circumstances, appointing Moyes would be like Gillian Anderson coming in to our house naked and carrying a tray with a pint, a steak and a winning lottery ticket.
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For me Moyes is yesterday's man, tainted by failure. I can't see the appeal at all, I'd prefer Pearson.
Whereas Pearson has nothing but an unbroken string of successes and glories.
Pearson! Oh Pearson, with your assistant manager and coach still at Leicester.
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I would be worried if we appointed Monk - possible car crash appointment.
Voted Warburton, has done a good job north of the border, and was excellent at Brentford.
Would not be unhappy with Moyes.
Bruce has a good record of promotion.
Coleman might be ok, has done very well with Wales and was not bad at Fulham.
Rowett would be worth a go, has worked miracles at Blues.
Hughton would also be a good appointment.
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We are a big club but are punching well below our weight. We should be a top 10 club every season. We have missed our chance to be a massive club. If the Lerner money had come in 10 years earlier, we might have had a chance.
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No Bielsa on the poll? Granted the Championship maybe beneath him but still. He is available and some of us have him as our first choice...
I'd love Bielsa but I think the changes he would demand are too revolutionary for our players and even the new board (hunch based on the fact the seemingly want a British manager).
Fuck it, lets do it. He'd ideally bring a 'pochetinno' assistant with him to continue his work when he retires as he is getting on a bit.
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Why not give Neville the last few games of the season and give him a contract if we see improvement?
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I hope that the new manager will signify how the club wants to go forward this time. The manager has to reflect the transfer funds available.
If we have little money, I would spend it getting rid of a few players and then go for a manager that can build a young team playing the right type of football.
The whole attitude of the club needs changing to a 'all for one and one for all'. I'm sure if the supporters can see determination to get it right, they will give it time.
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Kim Jong Un would know what to do with the wasters
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You are perfectly correct OMVF. Garde was never the problem and his departure will mean nothing if the core problem players remain in place.
The reason Agbonlahor, Guzan, Richards, Lescott and Bacuna have succeeded in perpetuating the chaos and putting a good man down is purely because Garde was easy to dispose of and they are not. Contracts and the system of transfer windows made them bomb proof.
There are clearly limited funds for an incoming manager. He must prioritise taking a fire hose to the dressing room. Expenditure on getting rid of players is more important than bringing in new ones. The danger is that if the new manager thinks he can reform the likes of Gabby by grabbing him by the throat, much as it would raise a big cheer from most supporters, it would do no good, he and the ones who are very pleased with themselves today for getting their own way, and I include the two Grealishses in that number, have to face the music of what they have brought about since Wembley2 ten months ago. Ranting and raving at them will be like water off a duck's back.
The first thing I want to see when I take my seat at our first game in the Second Division is team spirit. Villa players not playing for the shirt or the badge or the manager or the fans or the media or the pay packet or the delivery of another new Mercedes but first and foremost playing for EACH OTHER. The other things come as a consequence.
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Brian there are two that have to go and have to go whatever the cost, Gabby and Richards.
Richards I think some daft prem manager will pick him up, but with Gabby there are 4 options
(a) Send him out on loan
(b) Bomb squad him, but with the provision that he comes nowhere near VP or BMH
(c) Let it be widely known he can go on a free and some of his contract paid up.
(d) Pay off his contract in full and kick his lazy arse out the door
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The first thing I want to see when I take my seat at our first game in the Second Division is team spirit. Villa players not playing for the shirt or the badge or the manager or the fans or the media or the pay packet or the delivery of another new Mercedes but first and foremost playing for EACH OTHER. The other things come as a consequence.
I was listening to the Villa crisis special on 'Call me Franksey' on Tuesday which included the likes of Nigel Spink and Howard Hodgson and Spink said that the main thing that got them promoted last time round was the team spirit. One of Sir Graham's first signings, if I remember correctly, was Steve Sims. To put it kindly, not the greatest player to ever put on a Villa shirt but he was just what we needed at the time. Sir Graham knew the kind of character he was getting. We'll be needing a few more of those again.
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I think a trio of Moyes and the 2 Neville's could work very well
Pat Murphy is a grade A Villa hating twat.
Thank fuck we wont get any attention from him in the Championship and might get assigned a competent reporter from the BBC.
I do not think he hates Villa on the contrary he feels as frustrated as we do on Pat Murphy is a grade A Villa hating twat.
Thank fuck we wont get any attention from him in the Championship and might get assigned a competent reporter from the BBC.
I do not think he hates Villa on the contrary he feels as frustrated as we do on lack of success. He calls it as he sees it. I rate his opinion.
That is my take on him too. He generally says what many of us on here say, only more eloquently.
Interestingly, Henry Winter was calling us a world class club / one of the great clubs in world football on 5Live earlier tonight.
Interestingly, Henry Winter was calling us a world class club / one of the great clubs in world football on 5Live earlier tonight.
Henry Winter did indeed say that. However, he also said that Pearson was the man...
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Cascarino in today's Times:
I worry if Moyes can get Villa promoted
Club must stand tall and rediscover their worth
Tony Cascarino
March 31 2016, 1:01am,
The Times
Moyes could become a big fish in the Championship pond
Aston Villa have a fantastic chance to reshape the club for the next two decades. My advice to my old club? Remember who you are and don’t underestimate yourself. Remember your stature and standing.
Look beyond managers that are flavour of the month or act like they are doing you a favour to replace Rémi Garde, who finally left this week. The next manager must be right.
Villa will be a big target next season, the Manchester United of the Championship
He must earn the right to be at Villa for a long time rather than be handed a lengthy deal that potentially takes the club back to square one if things go pear-shaped. He needs to have a point to prove to Villa and be prepared to roll up his sleeves in the trenches. There is no better job available for a manager at present, even though Villa are destined for the drop.
I’ve heard it said that Villa could follow Bolton Wanderers and slide even farther down the ladder. Nonsense.
Villa have the potential to run away with the Championship but need to send a clear message. They need to be forceful, show the right mentality, fight and do the right things.
Brian Little has the brief to find the right manager. He was a manager at Darlington and Leicester City, which should teach him the value of thinking outside the box. Look down the leagues, Brian. Do your homework, be open-minded.
Don’t just come up with names that are floating around or will appease fans. Be brave, listen to your gut feeling. Go with your convictions and be convinced you have the right man even if things have not worked out for him elsewhere.
Every manager comes with baggage — even David Moyes and Nigel Pearson, the early favourites who have enjoyed success but come with no guarantees. They will have demands on their contracts, transfer budgets, staff and recruitment policy and players.
Pearson’s standing has grown through what Leicester have achieved this season. It is pretty incredible that he has not been employed already, which raises the question, “Why?”
He was involved in the network that took cheap and unknown players to Leicester. They made them better. He has a point to prove. He is a maverick and I like mavericks as they can do something special. I watched his side draw 0-0 with Hull City a year ago. They didn’t look like scoring and draws were not enough to survive. A light switched on in his head and, from then on, they played in an aggressive way.
Pearson recognised what it took to stay up. If Villa give him a chance it must be to show that what he did was not a fluke and that he can make Villa great.
And the West Midlands club must say to him: “Here is a two-year contract — prove that you can get it right on the pitch and with your recruitment.”
My slight worry with Moyes is that his teams are too conservative. Villa will be a big target next season, the Manchester United of the Championship. They need to be aggressive and adventurous. David’s style is to grind sides down. I don’t know if David can be the big fish in that league. Being conservative does not fit Villa. And he could be very expensive. The ailing club have to get away from paying top dollar for managers.
I like Chris Wilder at Northampton Town. He has done an unbelievable job, fought against administration and plays an adventurous style. Villa should have a chat with him and similar others. The Championship is not suitable for a foreign appointment, regardless of what Aitor Karanka has done at Middlesbrough.
Candidates
Words by Danial Kennedy
Mick McCarthy (8/1)
In his favour: McCarthy is one of the more experienced managers in the English game having proven himself at both club and international level. A no-nonsense candidate who can get the best out of his players, as he continues to prove at Ipswich Town.
Drawbacks: McCarthy has been shown up previously in the top flight. He was relegated with Sunderland in 2005-06 with a points tally of 15 although he stayed up with Wolverhampton Wanderers’ in 2009-10.
Promotion potential: Promoted from the second tier twice with Sunderland in 2004-05 and Wolverhampton Wanderers in 2008-09
Nigel Pearson (3/1)
In his favour: Pearson is a frontrunner and another experienced manager in the lower leagues spending eight of his nine managerial seasons below the English top flight. Like McCarthy he can get the best out of an underwhelming group of players. He laid the groundwork for Leicester City’s meteoric rise.
Drawbacks: Pearson may have Premier League ambitions after the sudden sacking from the King Power at the end of last season and his attitudes problems could bring unwanted baggage to an already toxic atmosphere.
Promotion potential: Won the League One title with Leicester in 2008-09 and the Championship title in 2013-14. Also reached the play-offs in 2009-10 and 2012-13.
David Moyes (4/6)
In his favour: Moyes has a burning ambition to remind people of the managerial credentials that he earned during his 11 years at Everton before the unhappy tenure at Manchester United.
Drawbacks: Lacks the promotion experience of other candidates with just the one title to his name and after the failures at Old Trafford and with Real Sociedad, the pressure of rebuilding Villa could be too much to handle.
Promotion potential: Got Preston North End promoted from the second division in the 1999-2000 season
Steve Bruce (8/1)
In his favour: Bruce is one of the most experienced managers in the country and his managerial career has thrived in the English lower leagues. He led Hull City, his current employers, to promotion in his first season.
Drawbacks: Has been involved with troubled clubs on previous occasions but hasn’t always shone when the going gets tough. And with Hull on verge of promotion, it is unlikely that he would want to make the step back down.
Promotion potential: Has been promoted to the Premier League on three separate occasions, twice with Birmingham City (2002 & 2006-07) and once with Hull City (2012-13)
Sean Dyche (20/1)
In his favour: Dyche has emerged as one of the bright, young managers in the country and his fresh ideas have taken Burnley to the brink of a return to the English top-flight.
Drawbacks: He is still quite new to the managerial game and with the rise of Burnley, a potential move to Villa Park could be seen as a step backwards for his career.
Promotion potential: Led Burnley to the top-flight in his first full season at Turf Moor as they finished runners-up in 2013-14
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I didn't realise Moyes was 4/6 on.
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The first thing I want to see when I take my seat at our first game in the Second Division is team spirit. Villa players not playing for the shirt or the badge or the manager or the fans or the media or the pay packet or the delivery of another new Mercedes but first and foremost playing for EACH OTHER. The other things come as a consequence.
I was listening to the Villa crisis special on 'Call me Franksey' on Tuesday which included the likes of Nigel Spink and Howard Hodgson and Spink said that the main thing that got them promoted last time round was the team spirit. One of Sir Graham's first signings, if I remember correctly, was Steve Sims. To put it kindly, not the greatest player to ever put on a Villa shirt but he was just what we needed at the time. Sir Graham knew the kind of character he was getting. We'll be needing a few more of those again.
Exactly. I really think we should do our best to get rid of the vast majority of the squad and replace them with Championship/Div 1 players who are used to winning and have a winning mentality as a result. Especially at home. It doesn't matter if they're not the best players at the moment, worry about that further down the line. Look at Leicester, no way are they the best team in the league, but winning games breeds confidence and when you're confident and enjoying yourself you play better. Let's get players in who are already like that.
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I know he's not a popular figure but I'd love to see Joey Barton getting stuck into the likes of Agbonlahor and Richards, Moyes as manager with Barton as his 'enforcer' on the pitch. I might have just created a new role, 'Director of enforcing'.
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Cascarino in today's Times:
I worry if Moyes can get Villa promoted
Club must stand tall and rediscover their worth
Tony Cascarino
March 31 2016, 1:01am,
The Times
Moyes could become a big fish in the Championship pond
Aston Villa have a fantastic chance to reshape the club for the next two decades. My advice to my old club? Remember who you are and don’t underestimate yourself. Remember your stature and standing.
Look beyond managers that are flavour of the month or act like they are doing you a favour to replace Rémi Garde, who finally left this week. The next manager must be right.
Villa will be a big target next season, the Manchester United of the Championship
He must earn the right to be at Villa for a long time rather than be handed a lengthy deal that potentially takes the club back to square one if things go pear-shaped. He needs to have a point to prove to Villa and be prepared to roll up his sleeves in the trenches. There is no better job available for a manager at present, even though Villa are destined for the drop.
I’ve heard it said that Villa could follow Bolton Wanderers and slide even farther down the ladder. Nonsense.
Villa have the potential to run away with the Championship but need to send a clear message. They need to be forceful, show the right mentality, fight and do the right things.
Brian Little has the brief to find the right manager. He was a manager at Darlington and Leicester City, which should teach him the value of thinking outside the box. Look down the leagues, Brian. Do your homework, be open-minded.
Don’t just come up with names that are floating around or will appease fans. Be brave, listen to your gut feeling. Go with your convictions and be convinced you have the right man even if things have not worked out for him elsewhere.
Every manager comes with baggage — even David Moyes and Nigel Pearson, the early favourites who have enjoyed success but come with no guarantees. They will have demands on their contracts, transfer budgets, staff and recruitment policy and players.
Pearson’s standing has grown through what Leicester have achieved this season. It is pretty incredible that he has not been employed already, which raises the question, “Why?”
He was involved in the network that took cheap and unknown players to Leicester. They made them better. He has a point to prove. He is a maverick and I like mavericks as they can do something special. I watched his side draw 0-0 with Hull City a year ago. They didn’t look like scoring and draws were not enough to survive. A light switched on in his head and, from then on, they played in an aggressive way.
Pearson recognised what it took to stay up. If Villa give him a chance it must be to show that what he did was not a fluke and that he can make Villa great.
And the West Midlands club must say to him: “Here is a two-year contract — prove that you can get it right on the pitch and with your recruitment.”
My slight worry with Moyes is that his teams are too conservative. Villa will be a big target next season, the Manchester United of the Championship. They need to be aggressive and adventurous. David’s style is to grind sides down. I don’t know if David can be the big fish in that league. Being conservative does not fit Villa. And he could be very expensive. The ailing club have to get away from paying top dollar for managers.
I like Chris Wilder at Northampton Town. He has done an unbelievable job, fought against administration and plays an adventurous style. Villa should have a chat with him and similar others. The Championship is not suitable for a foreign appointment, regardless of what Aitor Karanka has done at Middlesbrough.
Candidates
Words by Danial Kennedy
Mick McCarthy (8/1)
In his favour: McCarthy is one of the more experienced managers in the English game having proven himself at both club and international level. A no-nonsense candidate who can get the best out of his players, as he continues to prove at Ipswich Town.
Drawbacks: McCarthy has been shown up previously in the top flight. He was relegated with Sunderland in 2005-06 with a points tally of 15 although he stayed up with Wolverhampton Wanderers’ in 2009-10.
Promotion potential: Promoted from the second tier twice with Sunderland in 2004-05 and Wolverhampton Wanderers in 2008-09
Nigel Pearson (3/1)
In his favour: Pearson is a frontrunner and another experienced manager in the lower leagues spending eight of his nine managerial seasons below the English top flight. Like McCarthy he can get the best out of an underwhelming group of players. He laid the groundwork for Leicester City’s meteoric rise.
Drawbacks: Pearson may have Premier League ambitions after the sudden sacking from the King Power at the end of last season and his attitudes problems could bring unwanted baggage to an already toxic atmosphere.
Promotion potential: Won the League One title with Leicester in 2008-09 and the Championship title in 2013-14. Also reached the play-offs in 2009-10 and 2012-13.
David Moyes (4/6)
In his favour: Moyes has a burning ambition to remind people of the managerial credentials that he earned during his 11 years at Everton before the unhappy tenure at Manchester United.
Drawbacks: Lacks the promotion experience of other candidates with just the one title to his name and after the failures at Old Trafford and with Real Sociedad, the pressure of rebuilding Villa could be too much to handle.
Promotion potential: Got Preston North End promoted from the second division in the 1999-2000 season
Steve Bruce (8/1)
In his favour: Bruce is one of the most experienced managers in the country and his managerial career has thrived in the English lower leagues. He led Hull City, his current employers, to promotion in his first season.
Drawbacks: Has been involved with troubled clubs on previous occasions but hasn’t always shone when the going gets tough. And with Hull on verge of promotion, it is unlikely that he would want to make the step back down.
Promotion potential: Has been promoted to the Premier League on three separate occasions, twice with Birmingham City (2002 & 2006-07) and once with Hull City (2012-13)
Sean Dyche (20/1)
In his favour: Dyche has emerged as one of the bright, young managers in the country and his fresh ideas have taken Burnley to the brink of a return to the English top-flight.
Drawbacks: He is still quite new to the managerial game and with the rise of Burnley, a potential move to Villa Park could be seen as a step backwards for his career.
Promotion potential: Led Burnley to the top-flight in his first full season at Turf Moor as they finished runners-up in 2013-14
Sean Dyche would see Villa as a step backwards from Burnley? Give me a break.
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I know he's not a popular figure but I'd love to see Joey Barton getting stuck into the likes of Agbonlahor and Richards, Moyes as manager with Barton as his 'enforcer' on the pitch. I might have just created a new role, 'Director of enforcing'.
For all his talk, Barton did little to address the wasters at QPR during his time there. In fact, I remember Graeme Souness saying something similar after an interview with Barton on SKY.
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For all his on the pitch stuff and stupid temper Barton has been inspired for Burnley. He is extremely professional in his approach.
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Eddie Howe not being mentioned - surely he has taken Bournemouth as far as he can. Mark Warburton could be a good shout as well.Moyes is the safe be.
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Not Gary Neville. Please.
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Howe has a multi billionaire owner and a job for life.
I would be happy with Warburton too.
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I'd be happy with Moyes under these (shit) circumstances. He'll be on a tight budget, but showed at everton he can deliver under a tight financial regime.
Failing that, Warburton at Rangers interests me. I think he may be able to do a job for us. Let's not forget, thinking purely short term, our aim for next season is promotion by hook or by crook. Every season we're down there we'll be falling further behind.
I already feel better about things knowing bevington, little and Bernstein are on board and trust that we'll hopefully get the right man in to turn things round. Of equal importance is shifting the shit (most of them) on the playing side of things. Root and branch reform of the whole culture on the playing staff. That's easier said than done admittedly, but it needs to happen if we are to jettison this air of malaise and mediocrity (and that's being kind) in the senior squad.
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I would go for someone proven to get teams out if the championship. Moyes is not that man.
The slightly nutty Pearson or Bruce for me.
(I know I've changed my view in 24 hours, call me Cameron)
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I also think we need some disciplinarians and talent in equal measure on the coaching staff. At the very least I want to see us commence next season with a fully fit squad bursting to go and with a clear idea of the overall system and what is required of each player. The preparation and start to the last couple of seasons under Lambert and Sherwood was inexcusable and contributed hugely to setting the tone of struggle each season. Enough is enough. We really need to be in the top 2 or 3 at Christmas to have a good chance of going up first time around
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I would go for someone proven to get teams out if the championship. Moyes is not that man.
The slightly nutty Pearson or Bruce for me.
(I know I've changed my view in 24 hours, call me Cameron)
Why is it that we scoffed at "Premier League experience needed" in the past but Championship experience is now vital? As with players it seems the Championship is some sort of unique entity, the only level of football that requires a different skill set to everywhere else when in reality it's exactly the same - the best wins.
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I would go for someone proven to get teams out if the championship. Moyes is not that man.
The slightly nutty Pearson or Bruce for me.
(I know I've changed my view in 24 hours, call me Cameron)
Why is it that we scoffed at "Premier League experience needed" in the past but Championship experience is now vital? As with players it seems the Championship is some sort of unique entity, the only level of football that requires a different skill set to everywhere else when in reality it's exactly the same - the best wins.
Bingo!
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Far too much made of this 'must require championship experience' theory. How many bad managers have got teams promoted over the years. Danny Wilson? Billy Davies? Alex Mcleish? Paul Jewell? Where are these 'great experienced' managers now eh? He's getting a slating on here but many people in and around football absolutely love Nigel Pearson. The persona he demonstrates with the media is not one he replicates with his players. I've heard that the family of Jeff Astle won't hear a bad word against him for the way he treated them at the Albion, and I know Chris Lepowski of the Meaning Evil talks about him very highly. He is a no nonsense, tough, uncompromising character and it's exactly what this football club needs next season.
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Ruud Gullit anyone?
http://www.eatsleepsport.com/aston-villa/gullit-admits-villa-job-interest-2082949.html#.Vvz3Z0V4XCQ
As a player he's still probably better even at age 53 than what we've currently got. As a manager it's a non starter surely?
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He's getting a slating on here but many people in and around football absolutely love Nigel Pearson.
His last employers didn't.
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Welcome to the site Mr Pearson.
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Warburton is an interesting one, did a good job at Brentford and appears to be impressing in Scotland too. However, would he leave Rangers after just a year when they are about to go into the SPL and do battle with Celtic again for the first time in years? That seems pretty exciting and what he will have gone there for in the first place, can't see him being tempted away this early.
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I can only assume that anyone describing Nigel Pearson as "no nonsense" didn't listen to any of his press-conferences last season. The guy's a pretentious clown, steer clear please.
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Plenty of people tossed themselves off silly when Remi Garde was appointed yet most people scoff at a bloke with a proven track record of promotion. Strange. The fact that he 'appears' to the outside world slightly unhinged actually gives me encouragement that he'll bomb out the cancer that riddles the club. We are not in a position to be particularly choosy and the prospect of David Moyes is fanciful. We are choosing from a very small pool of fish here and at the moment, not many managers out there will be falling over themselves to come here after seeing the complete fuckery of the last few years
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Don't insult my intelligence mate
I can only assume that anyone describing Nigel Pearson as "no nonsense" didn't listen to any of his press-conferences last season. The guy's a pretentious clown, steer clear please.
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There's no 'appears' about it as it's not rumours or anything, you can watch the videos online of him being an odious twunt. He's going to go postal at some stage, and if he was cracking at a shitty little club like Leicester, then the pressure here if things aren't going well could be what sends him over the edge. Even if he is a great manager, which I highly doubt, I want him to be someone else's problem, not ours.
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All moot with Pearson. How many times are we going to make the mistake of appointing a manager that can't get their preferred back room team? Pearson has worked for 8 yards with his. On his own there is little point.
And he thinks he is funny and clever fun his media interviews. The reality is he isn't. And his lack of control of his own son last summer makes me think our knob heads will walk all over him
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I can only assume that anyone describing Nigel Pearson as "no nonsense" didn't listen to any of his press-conferences last season. The guy's a pretentious clown, steer clear please.
Don't insult my intelligence mate
Fixed ;)
And I'm not insulting your intelligence, I'm just disagreeing that Pearson is this 'no nonsense' manager that some people seem to think he is. To me he comes across as being full of nonsense. Like his story about fighting off wild dogs in the Carpathian Mountains, or that utterly bizarre touchline scuffle with James Mcarthur last season. Let alone the Ostrich incident, or the odd apology that followed via Pat Murphy.
I just simply cannot believe that the board will even be considering him for the job, given the need fuck-ups that have been made in this regard over the past few years.
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Pearson is a clown and I fear would be a car crash without his backroom staff.
I would prefer him to Warnock or McCarthy but that is about it.
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what's the Any Other guy like? Currently second favourite in the poll
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Warnock or McCarthy? That's like being asked to choose between drowning or being burned alive.
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Mccarthy likes one in the hole though
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Mccarthy likes one in the hole though
You called?
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Lol...good.. and fast work pws...I will never tire of watching that gif
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Pearson was struggling with the pressure of a newly promoted mickey mouse club getting beaten, I can only imagine what would happen if he got the gig and started badly, the pressure he'd be under here from everyone would be 10 times that amount. He'd probably try to fight some fans.
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I would go for someone proven to get teams out if the championship. Moyes is not that man.
The slightly nutty Pearson or Bruce for me.
(I know I've changed my view in 24 hours, call me Cameron)
Why is it that we scoffed at "Premier League experience needed" in the past but Championship experience is now vital? As with players it seems the Championship is some sort of unique entity, the only level of football that requires a different skill set to everywhere else when in reality it's exactly the same - the best wins.
I agree, but in Bruce's case he has a working knowledge of the division as it stands, how teams set up and play etc.
I think in the vacuum of football knowledge that our club appears to be operating in that could be an essential factor. It may not be that important to other clubs or to us at other times, but right now it's crucial.
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There's no 'appears' about it as it's not rumours or anything, you can watch the videos online of him being an odious twunt. He's going to go postal at some stage, and if he was cracking at a shitty little club like Leicester, then the pressure here if things aren't going well could be what sends him over the edge. Even if he is a great manager, which I highly doubt, I want him to be someone else's problem, not ours.
Yeah, I'm not a Pearson fan either
But there's been a lot of top managers over the years who have been a bit bonkers to be fair
Even the greatest of them all fought with his own fans on the pitch
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Why not give Neville the last few games of the season and give him a contract if we see improvement?
Because we did that with Sherwood, and we did improve, and look what happened afterwards.
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Why not give Neville the last few games of the season and give him a contract if we see improvement?
Because we did that with Sherwood, and we did improve, and look what happened afterwards.
Neville can go back to talking a good game on the telly.
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I want us to hire the best manager possible but one who doesn't have a clear and very defined ceiling to their ability in the PL. Steve Bruce, I have no doubt would get us promoted. However he has proved, despite having lots of money to spend at Sunderland and Hull that he just cannot manage at the top level. I really don't want to get back up with a sense of inevitability of what comes next.
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I want us to hire the best manager possible but one who doesn't have a clear and very defined ceiling to their ability in the PL. Steve Bruce, I have no doubt would get us promoted. However he has proved, despite having lots of money to spend at Sunderland and Hull that he just cannot manage at the top level. I really don't want to get back up with a sense of inevitability of what comes next.
Agreed TV. Which is why if Moyes wants it, he stands out over Pearson, Bruce et al. Likewise if Rodgers wanted it, there would be sense in it because he has a long term ability to play in a way that doesn't have that ceiling. I think Warburton could too actually but is much more of a gamble. The idea of being saddled with Pearson is depressing.
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There's no 'appears' about it as it's not rumours or anything, you can watch the videos online of him being an odious twunt. He's going to go postal at some stage, and if he was cracking at a shitty little club like Leicester, then the pressure here if things aren't going well could be what sends him over the edge. Even if he is a great manager, which I highly doubt, I want him to be someone else's problem, not ours.
Yeah, I'm not a Pearson fan either
But there's been a lot of top managers over the years who have been a bit bonkers to be fair
Even the greatest of them all fought with his own fans on the pitch
I'm not totally against Pearson either but for all of his rants, it was really after the starting to crack bit that something happened and his Leicester side who were dead certs for relegation became simple unstoppable. He's got a record that shows he can secure promotions and maybe he has learned something, both professionally and personally from his previous experience. He made some very poor decisions, but can he get past them? It's a little like those who watch Joey Barton play, and the influence he's had at Burnley. His past makes Pearson look like a cuddly bunny, but sometimes people need time to reflect and grow up.
He's not my number one choice by any means, but I'd be open minded to consider him. The obvious drawback is his support staff and we already know with Garde how critical that is to have in place.
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And Sherwood (Ramsey) and Lambert when his people were got rid of, and Houllier (I think Gary Mac was a decent appointment as number 2 though in fairness). Even Little went south after the exit of Gregory, Gregory struggled after his assistant left too.
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And Sherwood (Ramsey) and Lambert when his people were got rid of, and Houllier (I think Gary Mac was a decent appointment as number 2 though in fairness). Even Little went south after the exit of Gregory, Gregory struggled after his assistant left too.
That's the concern. Lambert was already going in the toilet before we canned his two idiot assistants. The question will be for whoever we try and appoint can any of them bring exactly who they want with him?
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There's no 'appears' about it as it's not rumours or anything, you can watch the videos online of him being an odious twunt. He's going to go postal at some stage, and if he was cracking at a shitty little club like Leicester, then the pressure here if things aren't going well could be what sends him over the edge. Even if he is a great manager, which I highly doubt, I want him to be someone else's problem, not ours.
Yeah, I'm not a Pearson fan either
But there's been a lot of top managers over the years who have been a bit bonkers to be fair
Even the greatest of them all fought with his own fans on the pitch
And could you imagine if a manager gave his owns fans a slap these days? Still amazes me he got away with just a touchline ban for it even back then.
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I know he's not a popular figure but I'd love to see Joey Barton getting stuck into the likes of Agbonlahor and Richards, Moyes as manager with Barton as his 'enforcer' on the pitch. I might have just created a new role, 'Director of enforcing'.
For all his talk, Barton did little to address the wasters at QPR during his time there. In fact, I remember Graeme Souness saying something similar after an interview with Barton on SKY.
I have a hunch that he might, one day, become a very good manager. He's been doing his coaching badges and was also reading philosophy at university so he will not be lacking in education compared to most ex-players. I also think he comes across well in interviews, both articulate and interesting, so he may have the personality to motivate players too.
The test will be whether he can control his inner chimp sufficiently to not lamp a linesman when things are going badly.
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Moyes would likely want Round, Neville (P) or Irvine I would imagine. Not sure who else he had but you would think he would have a decent chance of those 3 if he wanted them (plus taking Irvine off Lambert would be funny)
Pearson would want Walsh and Shakespear - neither are likely to leave a club heading into the champions league having signed new contracts, if Ranieiri got the Italy job they might think again.
Grayson would be coming from Preston, so you would think would get who he wanted easily enough with a bit of negotiation
Rodgers seemed to replace half his backroom team last season and is going back to admiring the best Wales has to offer anyway by the looks of it.
If we went for Dyche, I would think it would be a case of having to negotiate for his team not just him. Difficult to see him coming in.
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There's no 'appears' about it as it's not rumours or anything, you can watch the videos online of him being an odious twunt. He's going to go postal at some stage, and if he was cracking at a shitty little club like Leicester, then the pressure here if things aren't going well could be what sends him over the edge. Even if he is a great manager, which I highly doubt, I want him to be someone else's problem, not ours.
Yeah, I'm not a Pearson fan either
But there's been a lot of top managers over the years who have been a bit bonkers to be fair
Even the greatest of them all fought with his own fans on the pitch
And could you imagine if a manager gave his owns fans a slap these days? Still amazes me he got away with just a touchline ban for it even back then.
You could get away with loads of 'stuff' in those days
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I want us to hire the best manager possible but one who doesn't have a clear and very defined ceiling to their ability in the PL. Steve Bruce, I have no doubt would get us promoted. However he has proved, despite having lots of money to spend at Sunderland and Hull that he just cannot manage at the top level. I really don't want to get back up with a sense of inevitability of what comes next.
I would agree with that statement 9 times out of 10, but my concern with looking too far ahead is that we'll fail to get the first job done, which is to achieve promotion.
We're in a position we very rarely find ourselves in, I think it may need a different approach.
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Moyes would likely want Round, Neville (P) or Irvine I would imagine. Not sure who else he had but you would think he would have a decent chance of those 3 if he wanted them (plus taking Irvine off Lambert would be funny)
Pearson would want Walsh and Shakespear - neither are likely to leave a club heading into the champions league having signed new contracts, if Ranieiri got the Italy job they might think again.
Grayson would be coming from Preston, so you would think would get who he wanted easily enough with a bit of negotiation
Rodgers seemed to replace half his backroom team last season and is going back to admiring the best Wales has to offer anyway by the looks of it.
If we went for Dyche, I would think it would be a case of having to negotiate for his team not just him. Difficult to see him coming in.
Whilst Moyes would probably demand more in salary, the fact that we will not be paying compensation to extract him and his team from another club is another justification in trying to appoint him.
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I would favour someone who's shown he can do well in the Championship recently. Be that Pearson, Dyche, Warburton or Hughton. I wouldn't be too upset if we nicked Gary Rowett either.
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Pearson. Two promotions. Right 'tool' for the job.
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I would go for someone proven to get teams out if the championship. Moyes is not that man.
The slightly nutty Pearson or Bruce for me.
(I know I've changed my view in 24 hours, call me Cameron)
Why is it that we scoffed at "Premier League experience needed" in the past but Championship experience is now vital? As with players it seems the Championship is some sort of unique entity, the only level of football that requires a different skill set to everywhere else when in reality it's exactly the same - the best wins.
Leicester aren't the best team.
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We need another Scottish manager. It's been far too long.
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We need another Scottish manager. It's been far too long.
I know it's said tongue in cheek but it really doesn't matter about his nationality does it?
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I would go for someone proven to get teams out if the championship. Moyes is not that man.
The slightly nutty Pearson or Bruce for me.
(I know I've changed my view in 24 hours, call me Cameron)
Why is it that we scoffed at "Premier League experience needed" in the past but Championship experience is now vital? As with players it seems the Championship is some sort of unique entity, the only level of football that requires a different skill set to everywhere else when in reality it's exactly the same - the best wins.
Leicester aren't the best team.
They are this year, same as we're the worst.
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Pearson. Two promotions. Right 'tool' for the job.
Pearson couldn't handle the pressure at Leicester. He will cave under the scrutiny here. Will all end in tears if he is appointed.
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Accoridng to Sportsday on the Beeb Gary Monk has thrown his hat into the ring (why wouldn't he!) and so has Ruud Gullit, which is suprising.....
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Gary Monk might be a decent manager someday but this is not a job for juniors or for cutting your managerial teeth.
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agreed we are going to need someone with the resilience and tenacity of a honey badger and monk ain't that kind of animal
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Gary Monk might be a decent manager someday but this is not a job for juniors or for cutting your managerial teeth.
As has already been proven twice, let's hope the club has finally learnt a lesson.
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Curbishley for me.
Ahhhhhhh not really. Why is he still rolled out?
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Curbishley for me.
Ahhhhhhh not really. Why is he still rolled out?
because of his overwhelming desire to work in Birminum
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I do not care who the new manager is, as long as the board backs him in getting rid of all of the overpaid assholes who have got us relegated!!!
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I'd be reasonably happy with Moyes because of the situation we are now in
but iv'e always found him to be a tad boring, predictable and unadventurous, maybe that's what we need
of course the biggest positive to appointing Moyes would be to shut Saunders heroes up, and as soon as something goes wrong give him a right load of shit about it
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Gary Monk might be a decent manager someday but this is not a job for juniors or for cutting your managerial teeth.
I think the same about Gary Neville too. We can't afford to get this one wrong, more so than other. For me that means someone who knows the league and has a record of getting sides promoted in recent years. That criteria alone isn't enough of course; they have to be a good fit for the here and now.
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I'd be reasonably happy with Moyes because of the situation we are now in
but iv'e always found him to be a tad boring, predictable and unadventurous, maybe that's what we need
This is my view too. All candidates are flawed in my opinion, Moyes the least.
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Who voted for Neville????!!!!
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Andy Gray speaks:
http://www.beinsports.com/en/premier-league/video/who-andy-gray-wants-next-at-villa-park/228010
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Tony Cascarino in The Times would like to see Chris Wilder of Northampton Town offered the job.
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Andy Gray speaks:
http://www.beinsports.com/en/premier-league/video/who-andy-gray-wants-next-at-villa-park/228010
Hear hear.
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Who voted for Neville????!!!!
I voted for Moyes. But I'd have Neville over Pearson any day of the week.
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Andy Gray speaks:
http://www.beinsports.com/en/premier-league/video/who-andy-gray-wants-next-at-villa-park/228010
Very well IMO
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Andy
Why don't you have a go ? You obviously love the club, you're passionate , OK no managerial experience but whatever.
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Andy
Why don't you have a go ? You obviously love the club, you're passionate , OK no managerial experience but whatever.
I bet he regrets not giving management a go. You can never know 100% but I think he'd have made a decent manager. We'll never know now though.
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Did he not have some kind of managerial role/post at Cheltenham Town a long time ago?
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Well you've sold it to me, Andy. Where do I sign?
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Without having given it much thought, and from the main candidates my choice would be Moyes, then Rodgers, then Dyche. I get the impression that Dyche might be too loyal and principled to leave Burnley at the moment, or if they are promoted. I also wonder whether Rodgers might hold out for a top flight gig. Then again Moyes could obviously do the same.
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Tony Cascarino in The Times would like to see Chris Wilder of Northampton Town offered the job.
Has potential and is only 48, but horrible situation to come into at Northampton. If we're only midtable in the championship next year and they're flying in League One you never know.
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Didn't Gray give Little a hard time in the papers when Little was boss? There's something I hold against him but can't pinpoint it. He did speak well here though.
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Andy
Why don't you have a go ? You obviously love the club, you're passionate , OK no managerial experience but whatever.
I bet he regrets not giving management a go. You can never know 100% but I think he'd have made a decent manager. We'll never know now though.
wasnt he assistant manager under bfr but left after a couple of months when sky came a calling?
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Andy Gray speaks:
http://www.beinsports.com/en/premier-league/video/who-andy-gray-wants-next-at-villa-park/228010
A 10 man managerial dream-team then?
Speaks well about the club in general though.
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Didn't Gray give Little a hard time in the papers when Little was boss? There's something I hold against him but can't pinpoint it. He did speak well here though.
I am sure Gray did a article in the Sun about Villa (unflattering piece) the day/day before Brian Little quit.
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Great words spoken well by Andy, one of our greatest centre forwards.
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Assuming no women's arses were slapped or tits grabbed during the taping of that video?
I'm kidding, he says the right things. Moyes would be the best of both worlds for him given he has a lot of time for Everton too.
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Made me feel good again Andy Gray for a few minutes anyway but hes right . We will be back.
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Andy
Why don't you have a go ? You obviously love the club, you're passionate , OK no managerial experience but whatever.
Apart from when he was BFR's no2.
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Tony Cascarino in The Times would like to see Chris Wilder of Northampton Town offered the job.
I thought he was doing so well in that article right up until then.
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Tony Cascarino in The Times would like to see Chris Wilder of Northampton Town offered the job.
I thought he was doing so well in that article right up until then.
Ghost writer must have just phoned him for a suggestion.
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Just watched Andy Gray's interview. It's a shame that anyone would even have a doubt that we're a big club.
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I love Andy Gray and he's still the greatest, the Holte end says........
But, when he endorses shit like Monk, I start to worry.
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And Pearson!
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Andy Gray speaks:
http://www.beinsports.com/en/premier-league/video/who-andy-gray-wants-next-at-villa-park/228010
A 10 man managerial dream-team then?
Speaks well about the club in general though.
I thought it was really quite impressive, and stirring.
It made me want to go and get a Villa tattoo, or punch Jasper Carrott.
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Andy Gray speaks:
http://www.beinsports.com/en/premier-league/video/who-andy-gray-wants-next-at-villa-park/228010
A 10 man managerial dream-team then?
Speaks well about the club in general though.
I thought it was really quite impressive, and stirring.
It made me want to go and get a Villa tattoo, or punch Jasper Carrott.
For safety reasons I'd go for the latter.
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Reading the possible candidates etc, it just seems such an obvious move to go and get Moyes and let him make it his home for the next 5-6 years, get it stable and build himself another Everton. If you look at them since he left too, Martinez had a great first season, but has really struggled for any consistency this, and that tight back 4 Moyes had working so well has eroded away. I don't think he ever had the luxury of spending 30 million on a striker like Lukaku either. Had he, Everton might well have made top 4 a couple more times.
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What we need is for Moyes to discover his magic touch of when he was buying the likes of Arteta and Cahill for £2m each.
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I love Andy Gray and he's still the greatest, the Holte end says........
But, when he endorses shit like Monk, I start to worry.
Yep. I don't know why, but Monk reminds me of Sherwood for some reason.
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Andy Gray speaks:
http://www.beinsports.com/en/premier-league/video/who-andy-gray-wants-next-at-villa-park/228010
A 10 man managerial dream-team then?
Speaks well about the club in general though.
I thought it was really quite impressive, and stirring.
It made me want to go and get a Villa tattoo, or punch Jasper Carrott.
For safety reasons I'd go for the latter.
Or if you do go for the first option make sure it's only on the ankle,
That's where true AVFC fans have it put
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What we need is for Moyes to discover his magic touch of when he was buying the likes of Arteta and Cahill for £2m each.
Moyes is the stand out candidate for me and it is just whether we can persuade him. At Everton, he brought through youth players, bought well from the lower leagues and bought some good talent from abroad. That is exactly the kind of mix we need.
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Isn't one of the criticisms of him his overall record in bringing young players through?
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Isn't one of the criticisms of him his overall record in bringing young players through?
Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?
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Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?
For what it is worth - a view from Goodison
Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.
He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.
His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.
In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.
He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:
The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.
Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:
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I'm normally a reader only but thought I needed to share this with you. My mate works at King Power on the maintenance team and has nothing but bad stuff to say about Pearson. What the players think of him I don't know but around the rest of the staff at Leicester the bloke really wasn't liked. Just one instance to give you an idea of what he's like. Christmas party, all the office, maintenance staff etc all there and Pearson turns to a young admin girl, tells her go him a drink, she says no and he starts effing n blinding, who does she think she is, he can get her sacked etc. He really wasn't popular at all there, nasty piece of work. If you're happy for bloke like that at our club then fair do's, but would sit bit uneasy with me. Think we can do better can't we??
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Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?
For what it is worth - a view from Goodison
Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.
He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.
His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.
In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.
He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:
The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.
Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:
All sounds very MON-like, doesn't it?
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I'm normally a reader only but thought I needed to share this with you. My mate works at King Power on the maintenance team and has nothing but bad stuff to say about Pearson. What the players think of him I don't know but around the rest of the staff at Leicester the bloke really wasn't liked. Just one instance to give you an idea of what he's like. Christmas party, all the office, maintenance staff etc all there and Pearson turns to a young admin girl, tells her go him a drink, she says no and he starts effing n blinding, who does she think she is, he can get her sacked etc. He really wasn't popular at all there, nasty piece of work. If you're happy for bloke like that at our club then fair do's, but would sit bit uneasy with me. Think we can do better can't we??
The worst thing is nothing in there surprises me at all about him. He just exudes "twat" from the way he handles himself.
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Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?
For what it is worth - a view from Goodison
Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.
He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.
His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.
In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.
He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:
The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.
Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:
All sounds very MON-like, doesn't it?
It does. But then Lambert completely lost his way tactically, and Garde never found his, while Sherwood picked a different team and formation every week. In time, we need to be flexible but his record with youth there might appear rubbish, but 1 decent youth player per season isn't too bad. I am sure he brought through Coleman too didn't he there? Anyway, if he can find the likes of Jagielka for a 3 million, or Arteta, or Pienaar etc, then he can clearly manage on a budget. I think bringing through the youth would be part of the remit in any discussions, so might well be either something he has to adapt too, or becomes a deal breaker for the board.
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Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?
For what it is worth - a view from Goodison
Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.
He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.
His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.
In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.
He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:
The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.
Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:
All sounds very MON-like, doesn't it?
It does. But then Lambert completely lost his way tactically, and Garde never found his, while Sherwood picked a different team and formation every week. In time, we need to be flexible but his record with youth there might appear rubbish, but 1 decent youth player per season isn't too bad. I am sure he brought through Coleman too didn't he there? Anyway, if he can find the likes of Jagielka for a 3 million, or Arteta, or Pienaar etc, then he can clearly manage on a budget. I think bringing through the youth would be part of the remit in any discussions, so might well be either something he has to adapt too, or becomes a deal breaker for the board.
I wasn't knocking it - I think what we need most now is a steady hand.
The youth thing doesn't worry me as Lambert had a remit to use them despite whether they were good enough or not. With Everton under Moyes, how many underused or discarded youth players went on to much? Genuine question as I can't think of any. Perhaps they just weren't good enough to get in his team.
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Agreed John. If they are good enough they will come through. I know he played a rigid 4-5-1 but their football was streets better than some of the stuff we played at home under O'Neill.
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I don't quite understand the Championship is tough and that Moyes couldn't handle it comment. Is it tougher than the PL? We've had 2 managers in McLeish and Lambert, both failures in the PL who got their teams promoted from the Championship. How tough could it really be?
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When you read the background interviews and opinions in the game, there is utter respect for Moyes as a manager, as a disciplinarian and as a man. Pearson is regarded as a complete tool. If we appoint the latter when the former is available our new board are bonkers. Further Pearson spent a decent wedge at Leicester, he was very, very well backed in the Championship when they came up.
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Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?
For what it is worth - a view from Goodison
Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.
He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.
His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.
In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.
He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:
The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.
Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:
All sounds very MON-like, doesn't it?
Indeed it does. And while I couldn't stand MON or his predictable and uninspiring football, I'd guess that most would gladly return to that kind of level, even if it's only because what followed has been so awful by comparison. The other candidates are like a who's who of of barrel scrapings. It's quite depressing that Moyes is the pick of them, with the exception of Rodgers. I just wonder how much experience of English football in general and the Championship in particular the Watford manager had when he joined them. He's an example of why I don't buy into this narrow stereotype of the type of manager we need.
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Agreed John. If they are good enough they will come through. I know he played a rigid 4-5-1 but their football was streets better than some of the stuff we played at home under O'Neill.
Only a snapshot, but Everton under him put in one of the best performances I have seen from an away side at Villa Park in Paul Lambert's first home game. No long ball or boring tactics, just very good passing and movement.
Forgive me, but I'll worry about style of football when we have been safely ensconced in the Premier League for a couple of years.
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Moyes is a builder. He'll have enough intelligence about him and ability to get us out of the Championship. While the build thereafter might be steady we will also have gradual growth and stability. We need that badly. He might not provide great football all the time, and we won't win every game but we will end the last 5 years of constant and predictable humiliation.
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Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?
For what it is worth - a view from Goodison
Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.
He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.
His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.
In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.
He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:
The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.
Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:
I share this Evertonians view of Moyes,he is a very limited Manager. I think he would stabilise us but we need more than that to get out of Division 2.
There was the same sort of love in over Lambert and look where that got us.
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I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here. Why is it that the Championship is the only division where "previous experience" is so vital? Nobody says it about the Premier League.
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Well done Andy' give him the job.
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I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here. Why is it that the Championship is the only division where "previous experience" is so vital? Nobody says it about the Premier League.
I don't understand it either. It's like you need some magic spell or ability to succeed there. English football is littered with managers who have failed in the PL who have succeeded in getting teams promoted to it.
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I'd fancy it's said by fans of clubs whatever division they are in. About manager and players. Got yourself promoted to the PL? We need to sign PL players. Relegated to division 4? We need a manager that knows the division. And so on. It's just one of those many lazy things a lot of fans, and pundits, will come out with.
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Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?
For what it is worth - a view from Goodison
Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.
He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.
His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.
In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.
He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:
The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.
Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:
All sounds very MON-like, doesn't it?
Moyes at Everton always struck me as MON lite. His record with the youth at Everton wasn't that good, nor was his record for big money signings. He did seem capable of finding good value players in the 3-5 mill range though.
As a disciplinarian it is hard to say. One advantage he had with Everton that he almost certainly won't have with Villa is that he was able to ship out undesirables fairly easily.
We have already been through having an enlightened manager cross swords with senior players over professional standards only for them to outlast him - which resulted in then looking for a pragmatic manager who can 'get more out of what we already have'.
It didn't end well then and if that is in the brain's trust minds now it will almost certainly happen again.
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For any manager coming into Villa the board needs to support player sales. Even at a huge discount. There are going to some poisonous players that no manager will want to destroy his chances of success. And the club will know just who they are.
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To be honest, other than Gray saying that Villa are a big club, he didn't say much. He ran through the list of candidates but, like all pundits these days, he did say X has these qualities or, more importantly, Y lacks these qualities. Pundits do not want to nail their colours to the mast for fear of upsetting people in the game.
There is no stand out candidate as I see it. As fans, we only know half of how a club runs and half of what a manager is really like. This is why most people judge a manager on results. We are unable to get under the skin and see exactly how it is.
The one thing that I don't agree on is that we should be solely focussing on getting out of the Championship next year. We have had too many one year plans recently and too many managers protecting their position with short term strategy at the expense of the clubs long term future.
Good future planning is made up of short, medium and long term strategy. In football and in our case, priority must be short term but without ignoring medium and long term. This is why I believe we should only be looking at candidates that can take us up but be good for 4 or more seasons back in the PL. Some of it may only be potential and not actual experience. Any of those experienced managers that have failed to hack it in the PL e.g. Bruce should be discarded. Short term manager appointments cost a lot of money as they all want to bring their own players in.
From recent seasons, it appears that teams get out of the Championship by attacking but having a sound defence. I would say Moyes but I do have reservations about the attacking side of his tactics. I am therefore undecided and will have to trust the Club who will have better inside knowledge than available to me.
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Andy Gray speaks:
http://www.beinsports.com/en/premier-league/video/who-andy-gray-wants-next-at-villa-park/228010
Nicely said.
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Pearson is also thought of as an arrogant twat by people in the game. I am told by a very credible source that he isn't liked by other manager's as he is aloof and a bit of a knob. That's all very well if you want to upset the current players, fair enough, but going forward, when said players are gone, we have to build properly and get players to be self disciplined and enjoying playing for this club. I am more convinced than ever, after my conversation tonight that Pearson is NOT the man for Villa. Despite the incredible escape with Leicester last season, I think his antics held them back. Now they are playing with unshackled freedom, look at them! No to Pearson.
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Just seen Part of Black's press conference on SSN when he spoke about Flabby.
He struck me as a no-nonsense disciplinarian and was very impressive. We've lacked someone like that for a long time.
I don't see him as manager and whoever gets the gig will bring their own team but he would be a valuable member of any backroon staff.
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Black also said he made the decision to remove Onegoalayear from the squad.
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Anyone who has the ability to kick the following out of the club permanently - preferably head first:
Gabby
CNZ
Richards
Richardson
Lescott
Bacuna
Guzan
Hutton
Clark
Wesrwood
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I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here. Why is it that the Championship is the only division where "previous experience" is so vital? Nobody says it about the Premier League.
Yep it's absolute nonsense. It's a tired cliche peddled out all the time that just seems to be accepted as fact.
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Anyone who has the ability to kick the following out of the club permanently - preferably head first:
Gabby
CNZ
Richards
Richardson
Lescott
Bacuna
Guzan
Hutton
Clark
Wesrwood
Agree with some of those. Hutton, Clark and Westwood is about not having Premier League quality, not bad attitudes. Thing the attitudes need to go first, then look to remove those three later.
If we have a turnaround of 15 players out/up (assuming we lose the likes of Ayew, Veretout, Gana, Adama and someone like Gil, Sanchez or Amavi) we won't go up. Fulham did that a couple of years ago and it just doesn't work.
Key is getting rid of the toxic (Agree with top 5/6 of that list) and then working to improve the quality. The three of those could be okay squad players in that league. Even if they would need replacing were we to come up.
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File under ´April Fool ´...surely?! :
http://leagueofireland.ie/index.php/2016/04/01/dundalk-fc-manager-stephen-kenny-flying-to-england-to-interview-with-aston-villa-about-managers-job/?
Current Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny is flying to England on Saturday morning to meet with Aston Villa and their board about the vacant management role at the Birmingham based club.
The Dubliner who has won the SSE Airtricity League twice in two years, along with the FAI Cup with Dundalk has been approached by the Villa board about the possibility of taking over the club on a short term deal until the end of the season.
Kenny has previous experience of management in the UK as the manager of Scottish club Dunfermline Athletic (2006-2007) and guided the Pars to a Scottish Cup Final only to lose out narrowly to Celtic on the day.
Aston Villa will be hoping Kenny can emulate his reign in Dundalk across the pond, as he inherited a team that was kept in the Premier Division on the last day in a relegation play-off in 2012 but since then has guided them to second in the league the following season and as stated above has won the league every year since then with the Louth club.
Kenny is looking to bring in the experience of former Villa legend and Dundalk man Steve Staunton as his assistant for the short period.
If all goes well this weekend then an announcement will be expected early next week from the Aston Villa board.
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Yep
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Pearson is also thought of as an arrogant twat by people in the game. I am told by a very credible source that he isn't liked by other manager's as he is aloof and a bit of a knob. That's all very well if you want to upset the current players, fair enough, but going forward, when said players are gone, we have to build properly and get players to be self disciplined and enjoying playing for this club. I am more convinced than ever, after my conversation tonight that Pearson is NOT the man for Villa. Despite the incredible escape with Leicester last season, I think his antics held them back. Now they are playing with unshackled freedom, look at them! No to Pearson.
I think trying to upset players is a tactic that we've tried and failed on. Something new is required, A good man motivator
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i'll take any manager that doesn't come in telling us that he's going to get a tune out of Agbonlahor, because he won't.
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Is it wrong that I quite like Pearson? He's clearly gone too far on occasion and would be a risky appointment so on balance probably best to look elsewhere but wouldn't be dull (mind you, I remember saying that about Sherwood).
I've alway had a bit of a soft spot for Steve Bruce actually and for a former Blues boss think he's held in pretty decent esteem by most on here.
All told, Moyes would be a great appointment though if we could convince him. Our new board gives me confidence that we have a future and a vision to present to potential candidates so who knows?
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File under ´April Fool ´...surely?! :
http://leagueofireland.ie/index.php/2016/04/01/dundalk-fc-manager-stephen-kenny-flying-to-england-to-interview-with-aston-villa-about-managers-job/?
Current Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny is flying to England on Saturday morning to meet with Aston Villa and their board about the vacant management role at the Birmingham based club.
The Dubliner who has won the SSE Airtricity League twice in two years, along with the FAI Cup with Dundalk has been approached by the Villa board about the possibility of taking over the club on a short term deal until the end of the season.
Kenny has previous experience of management in the UK as the manager of Scottish club Dunfermline Athletic (2006-2007) and guided the Pars to a Scottish Cup Final only to lose out narrowly to Celtic on the day.
Aston Villa will be hoping Kenny can emulate his reign in Dundalk across the pond, as he inherited a team that was kept in the Premier Division on the last day in a relegation play-off in 2012 but since then has guided them to second in the league the following season and as stated above has won the league every year since then with the Louth club.
Kenny is looking to bring in the experience of former Villa legend and Dundalk man Steve Staunton as his assistant for the short period.
If all goes well this weekend then an announcement will be expected early next week from the Aston Villa board.
No doubt someone on a wind-up but, I've seen evidence of how Stephen Kenny operates. He took Longford Town from near extinction to become a team that gained promotion to the FAI Premier League. He oversaw the building of a new stadium and achieved European football for Longford, a dream come true for the locals.
He moved on to other things and, has been successful wherever he has gone. Whilst not a serious candidate for the Villa job, it would be a foolish man that underestimated his ability.
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Is it wrong that I quite like Pearson? He's clearly gone too far on occasion and would be a risky appointment so on balance probably best to look elsewhere but wouldn't be dull (mind you, I remember saying that about Sherwood).
I've alway had a bit of a soft spot for Steve Bruce actually and for a former Blues boss think he's held in pretty decent esteem by most on here.
All told, Moyes would be a great appointment though if we could convince him. Our new board gives me confidence that we have a future and a vision to present to potential candidates so who knows?
I think Pearson is a decent manager, but he is a dickhead. Same goes for Pardew.
And if he started cracking under the pressure at Leicester, how long will he last here!!!
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File under ´April Fool ´...surely?! :
http://leagueofireland.ie/index.php/2016/04/01/dundalk-fc-manager-stephen-kenny-flying-to-england-to-interview-with-aston-villa-about-managers-job/?
Current Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny is flying to England on Saturday morning to meet with Aston Villa and their board about the vacant management role at the Birmingham based club.
The Dubliner who has won the SSE Airtricity League twice in two years, along with the FAI Cup with Dundalk has been approached by the Villa board about the possibility of taking over the club on a short term deal until the end of the season.
Kenny has previous experience of management in the UK as the manager of Scottish club Dunfermline Athletic (2006-2007) and guided the Pars to a Scottish Cup Final only to lose out narrowly to Celtic on the day.
Aston Villa will be hoping Kenny can emulate his reign in Dundalk across the pond, as he inherited a team that was kept in the Premier Division on the last day in a relegation play-off in 2012 but since then has guided them to second in the league the following season and as stated above has won the league every year since then with the Louth club.
Kenny is looking to bring in the experience of former Villa legend and Dundalk man Steve Staunton as his assistant for the short period.
If all goes well this weekend then an announcement will be expected early next week from the Aston Villa board.
No doubt someone on a wind-up but, I've seen evidence of how Stephen Kenny operates. He took Longford Town from near extinction to become a team that gained promotion to the FAI Premier League. He oversaw the building of a new stadium and achieved European football for Longford, a dream come true for the locals.
He moved on to other things and, has been successful wherever he has gone. Whilst not a serious candidate for the Villa job, it would be a foolish man that underestimated his ability.
I met Stephen Kenny by chance in a pub in Donegal a good four years ago. I ended up chatting to him at the bar and what struck me about him - apart from his being an absolute gentleman - was that he knew everything about Villa. I think we were in the thick of the McLeish season and I was venting my woes whilst he nodded sagely, hot whiskey in hand. After I'd finished, he started reeling off the whole Villa squad, those whom he rated, those whom he didn't rate, formations he'd use etc., etc. I was just astounded by his knowledge and grasp of the situation Villa were in.
I would file this under "April Fool" but that is not to demean Kenny, his track record suggests he is a very talented manager.
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Didn't Gray give Little a hard time in the papers when Little was boss? There's something I hold against him but can't pinpoint it. He did speak well here though.
was it anything to do with a no-show at the official opening of a supermarket in the Black Country area in the late 1970's by any chance ?
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So we've had 2 managers and a caretaker manager this season. I wonder if that's happened before. In the Houllier season it was 1 manager and 2 caretakers.
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So we've had 2 managers and a caretaker manager this season. I wonder if that's happened before. In the Houllier season it was 1 manager and 2 caretakers.
2 managers and 2 caretakers (although Macdonald didn't do the 'care' bit very well)
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So we've had 2 managers and a caretaker manager this season. I wonder if that's happened before. In the Houllier season it was 1 manager and 2 caretakers.
2 managers and 2 caretakers (although Macdonald didn't do the 'care' bit very well)
MacDonald was more a pisstaker if anything
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He seemingly chose to make a show of either solidarity with Sherwood or defiance at the board with his choice of players - 'no frenchies'! That he would sacrifice a game of football at a fairly pivotal point in the season to make a point jarred greatly.
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Anyone who has the ability to kick the following out of the club permanently - preferably head first:
Gabby
CNZ
Richards
Richardson
Lescott
Bacuna
Guzan
Hutton
Clark
Wesrwood
Agree with some of those. Hutton, Clark and Westwood is about not having Premier League quality, not bad attitudes. Thing the attitudes need to go first, then look to remove those three later.
If we have a turnaround of 15 players out/up (assuming we lose the likes of Ayew, Veretout, Gana, Adama and someone like Gil, Sanchez or Amavi) we won't go up. Fulham did that a couple of years ago and it just doesn't work.
Key is getting rid of the toxic (Agree with top 5/6 of that list) and then working to improve the quality. The three of those could be okay squad players in that league. Even if they would need replacing were we to come up.
Agreed, Clark, Hutton and Westwoods lack of ability won't be such a problem in the second tier, they are also tryers and that's all I ask for at this point.
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Just heard John Carver on 5Live saying he's applied...
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Just heard John Carver on 5Live saying he's applied...
Please say that is an April Fool?
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I am underwhelmed by all of those listed and being linked with in the press. Surprised Gary Megson hasn't had a mention.
I guess it would be impossible to pay up the contracts Agbonlahor, Richards, Lescott, Guans et and kept Garde. I don't go along with the idea that the manager must have Championship experience and I'm not sure that any candidates mentioned to date are better than .Garde. Given the probable lack of spend we need someone who can bring the youngsters through, something Garde has had success with.
.j
I have seen several Championship games, it's not all hoof ball to a big man.
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If John Carver has applied it's only so he can relegate us again. The bitter fuckring.
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If John Carver has applied it's only so he can relegate us again. The bitter fuckring.
Newcastle United manager John Carver admits he'd be happy to see Aston Villa relegated from the Premier League
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2972693/Newcastle-United-manager-John-Carver-admits-d-happy-Aston-Villa-relegated.html#ixzz44bmD7D8B
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File under ´April Fool ´...surely?! :
http://leagueofireland.ie/index.php/2016/04/01/dundalk-fc-manager-stephen-kenny-flying-to-england-to-interview-with-aston-villa-about-managers-job/?
Current Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny is flying to England on Saturday morning to meet with Aston Villa and their board about the vacant management role at the Birmingham based club.
The Dubliner who has won the SSE Airtricity League twice in two years, along with the FAI Cup with Dundalk has been approached by the Villa board about the possibility of taking over the club on a short term deal until the end of the season.
Kenny has previous experience of management in the UK as the manager of Scottish club Dunfermline Athletic (2006-2007) and guided the Pars to a Scottish Cup Final only to lose out narrowly to Celtic on the day.
Aston Villa will be hoping Kenny can emulate his reign in Dundalk across the pond, as he inherited a team that was kept in the Premier Division on the last day in a relegation play-off in 2012 but since then has guided them to second in the league the following season and as stated above has won the league every year since then with the Louth club.
Kenny is looking to bring in the experience of former Villa legend and Dundalk man Steve Staunton as his assistant for the short period.
If all goes well this weekend then an announcement will be expected early next week from the Aston Villa board.
No doubt someone on a wind-up but, I've seen evidence of how Stephen Kenny operates. He took Longford Town from near extinction to become a team that gained promotion to the FAI Premier League. He oversaw the building of a new stadium and achieved European football for Longford, a dream come true for the locals.
He moved on to other things and, has been successful wherever he has gone. Whilst not a serious candidate for the Villa job, it would be a foolish man that underestimated his ability.
I met Stephen Kenny by chance in a pub in Donegal a good four years ago. I ended up chatting to him at the bar and what struck me about him - apart from his being an absolute gentleman - was that he knew everything about Villa. I think we were in the thick of the McLeish season and I was venting my woes whilst he nodded sagely, hot whiskey in hand. After I'd finished, he started reeling off the whole Villa squad, those whom he rated, those whom he didn't rate, formations he'd use etc., etc. I was just astounded by his knowledge and grasp of the situation Villa were in.
I would file this under "April Fool" but that is not to demean Kenny, his track record suggests he is a very talented manager.
Great story. Had he got N'Zogbia's card marked even then ?
Kenny always comes across well. Although didn't he have an ill-fated spell in Scotland?
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Anyone who has the ability to kick the following out of the club permanently - preferably head first:
Gabby
CNZ
Richards
Richardson
Lescott
Bacuna
Guzan
Hutton
Clark
Wesrwood
Agree with some of those. Hutton, Clark and Westwood is about not having Premier League quality, not bad attitudes. Thing the attitudes need to go first, then look to remove those three later.
If we have a turnaround of 15 players out/up (assuming we lose the likes of Ayew, Veretout, Gana, Adama and someone like Gil, Sanchez or Amavi) we won't go up. Fulham did that a couple of years ago and it just doesn't work.
Key is getting rid of the toxic (Agree with top 5/6 of that list) and then working to improve the quality. The three of those could be okay squad players in that league. Even if they would need replacing were we to come up.
Agreed, Clark, Hutton and Westwoods lack of ability won't be such a problem in the second tier, they are also tryers and that's all I ask for at this point.
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Mick McCarthy anyone?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3519454/Aston-Villa-line-Mick-McCarthy-option-new-manager-Ipswich-Town-boss-leaving-door-open-move.html
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Mick McCarthy anyone?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3519454/Aston-Villa-line-Mick-McCarthy-option-new-manager-Ipswich-Town-boss-leaving-door-open-move.html
No.
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Mick McCarthy anyone?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3519454/Aston-Villa-line-Mick-McCarthy-option-new-manager-Ipswich-Town-boss-leaving-door-open-move.html
yes please
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Mick Mack? Jeez. Have we sunk that far?
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Mick McCarthy anyone?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3519454/Aston-Villa-line-Mick-McCarthy-option-new-manager-Ipswich-Town-boss-leaving-door-open-move.html
No.
The Yorkshire Alex McLeish? No thanks.
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File under ´April Fool ´...surely?! :
http://leagueofireland.ie/index.php/2016/04/01/dundalk-fc-manager-stephen-kenny-flying-to-england-to-interview-with-aston-villa-about-managers-job/?
Current Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny is flying to England on Saturday morning to meet with Aston Villa and their board about the vacant management role at the Birmingham based club.
The Dubliner who has won the SSE Airtricity League twice in two years, along with the FAI Cup with Dundalk has been approached by the Villa board about the possibility of taking over the club on a short term deal until the end of the season.
Kenny has previous experience of management in the UK as the manager of Scottish club Dunfermline Athletic (2006-2007) and guided the Pars to a Scottish Cup Final only to lose out narrowly to Celtic on the day.
Aston Villa will be hoping Kenny can emulate his reign in Dundalk across the pond, as he inherited a team that was kept in the Premier Division on the last day in a relegation play-off in 2012 but since then has guided them to second in the league the following season and as stated above has won the league every year since then with the Louth club.
Kenny is looking to bring in the experience of former Villa legend and Dundalk man Steve Staunton as his assistant for the short period.
If all goes well this weekend then an announcement will be expected early next week from the Aston Villa board.
Wouldn't put this sort of appointment past the club given the terrible decision making over the last 6 years.
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John Carver anyone!!!!!!!
Hes applied via his agent, WTF HAHAHA
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File under ´April Fool ´...surely?! :
http://leagueofireland.ie/index.php/2016/04/01/dundalk-fc-manager-stephen-kenny-flying-to-england-to-interview-with-aston-villa-about-managers-job/?
Current Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny is flying to England on Saturday morning to meet with Aston Villa and their board about the vacant management role at the Birmingham based club.
The Dubliner who has won the SSE Airtricity League twice in two years, along with the FAI Cup with Dundalk has been approached by the Villa board about the possibility of taking over the club on a short term deal until the end of the season.
Kenny has previous experience of management in the UK as the manager of Scottish club Dunfermline Athletic (2006-2007) and guided the Pars to a Scottish Cup Final only to lose out narrowly to Celtic on the day.
Aston Villa will be hoping Kenny can emulate his reign in Dundalk across the pond, as he inherited a team that was kept in the Premier Division on the last day in a relegation play-off in 2012 but since then has guided them to second in the league the following season and as stated above has won the league every year since then with the Louth club.
Kenny is looking to bring in the experience of former Villa legend and Dundalk man Steve Staunton as his assistant for the short period.
If all goes well this weekend then an announcement will be expected early next week from the Aston Villa board.
Wouldn't put this sort of appointment past the club given the terrible decision making over the last 6 years.
12 hours 4 minutes. Who had 12 hours 4 minutes?
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Mick McCarthy anyone?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3519454/Aston-Villa-line-Mick-McCarthy-option-new-manager-Ipswich-Town-boss-leaving-door-open-move.html
Christ No!
I'd take Pearson any day over him.
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File under ´April Fool ´...surely?! :
http://leagueofireland.ie/index.php/2016/04/01/dundalk-fc-manager-stephen-kenny-flying-to-england-to-interview-with-aston-villa-about-managers-job/?
Current Dundalk FC manager Stephen Kenny is flying to England on Saturday morning to meet with Aston Villa and their board about the vacant management role at the Birmingham based club.
The Dubliner who has won the SSE Airtricity League twice in two years, along with the FAI Cup with Dundalk has been approached by the Villa board about the possibility of taking over the club on a short term deal until the end of the season.
Kenny has previous experience of management in the UK as the manager of Scottish club Dunfermline Athletic (2006-2007) and guided the Pars to a Scottish Cup Final only to lose out narrowly to Celtic on the day.
Aston Villa will be hoping Kenny can emulate his reign in Dundalk across the pond, as he inherited a team that was kept in the Premier Division on the last day in a relegation play-off in 2012 but since then has guided them to second in the league the following season and as stated above has won the league every year since then with the Louth club.
Kenny is looking to bring in the experience of former Villa legend and Dundalk man Steve Staunton as his assistant for the short period.
If all goes well this weekend then an announcement will be expected early next week from the Aston Villa board.
Wouldn't put this sort of appointment past the club given the terrible decision making over the last 6 years.
Well done. You've posted a comment with any personal attacks on people.
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John Carver anyone!!!!!!!
Hes applied via his agent, WTF HAHAHA
Got to be a wind up. He openly hates us.
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John Carver anyone!!!!!!!
Hes applied via his agent, WTF HAHAHA
Got to be a wind up. He openly hates us.
He's openly fecking useless!
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John Carver anyone!!!!!!!
Hes applied via his agent, WTF HAHAHA
Got to be a wind up. He openly hates us.
He's openly fecking useless!
lol well that too. he was a joke at Newcastle. Thats a pretty low level :)
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lets face it every tom dick and harry will be applying , 3 year contract , earn about a million pounds a year ,do about 8 months work ,, get the sack for being a useless manager and shit at your job , and then get the 2 and a bit years left on the contract paid out in full before walking into another job
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McCarthy would be met with even more frustration than McLeish was from the stands. The man can't manage in the premier league at all. Much like Neil Warnock, basic football for promotion, then inevitably followed with relegation.
John Carver openly wanted us relegated last season, the giant cock. His application is an attempt at a joke I am sure. And that is before looking at his erm.. skill set.
Just go and sort Moyes Villa. Come on.
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Good interview with Brian Little in the Mirror on Newsnow. Looks like he is looking properly. So glad they now seem to know what they are doing.
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McCarthy would be met with even more frustration than McLeish was from the stands. The man can't manage in the premier league at all. Much like Neil Warnock, basic football for promotion, then inevitably followed with relegation.
I dont think so , mcCarthy isnt coming from small heath , and i dont care about having a manager that can manage in the premier league
We wont be in the premier league , I just want a manager that can get us promotion next season
pearson , dyche or mcCarthy will do for me , worry about the premier league once we are back in it
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Good interview with Brian Little in the Mirror on Newsnow. Looks like he is looking properly. So glad they now seem to know what they are doing.
It was. Also none of this "British only" or "must have Championship experience" editorial guff that usually accompany stories about his recommendations. I think he is a smarter man than that, Bernstein certainly is.
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Good interview with Brian Little in the Mirror on Newsnow. Looks like he is looking properly. So glad they now seem to know what they are doing.
Judging by his comments, Brian wasn't particularly impressed with Fox either.
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John Carver anyone!!!!!!!
Hes applied via his agent, WTF HAHAHA
Got to be a wind up. He openly hates us.
He's openly fecking useless!
lol well that too. he was a joke at Newcastle. Thats a pretty low level :)
Carver can fook off after his less than diplomatic comments last season, the fat cock.
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McCarthy would be met with even more frustration than McLeish was from the stands. The man can't manage in the premier league at all. Much like Neil Warnock, basic football for promotion, then inevitably followed with relegation.
I dont think so , mcCarthy isnt coming from small heath , and i dont care about having a manager that can manage in the premier league
We wont be in the premier league , I just want a manager that can get us promotion next season
pearson , dyche or mcCarthy will do for me , worry about the premier league once we are back in it
Taking that approach would simply mean coming straight back down. I hope the board have more vision than that. And the objection to McCarthy would be nothing to do with where he has been or come from, it would be that he is proven to be a poor manager.
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McCarthy would be met with even more frustration than McLeish was from the stands. The man can't manage in the premier league at all. Much like Neil Warnock, basic football for promotion, then inevitably followed with relegation.
I dont think so , mcCarthy isnt coming from small heath , and i dont care about having a manager that can manage in the premier league
We wont be in the premier league , I just want a manager that can get us promotion next season
pearson , dyche or mcCarthy will do for me , worry about the premier league once we are back in it
Taking that approach would simply mean coming straight back down. I hope the board have more vision than that. And the objection to McCarthy would be nothing to do with where he has been or come from, it would be that he is proven to be a poor manager.
Not necessarily , I still say to my Wolves mate at work , wolves would not have been relegated and would still be in the premier league now if they hadn't sacked mick mcarthy in the February.
Look at Leicester , this time last year in April still bottom of the league
They kept faith with Pearson and finished 14th
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and no we was right to sack remi
we wouldnt have stopped up if we had kept him
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Let me just whack the crystal ball out.
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The same McCarthy who had been relegated before? Leicester last season was an anomaly. Pointing to it as a reason to keep a manager as dour and poor as McCarthy is bonkers. He makes Pearson look positively glowing.
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The same McCarthy who had been relegated before? Leicester last season was an anomaly. Pointing to it as a reason to keep a manager as dour and poor as McCarthy is bonkers. He makes Pearson look positively glowing.
forget the dour and poor personal insults towards big mick , he makes sure his players put a shift in , 110% each match
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Dour is not a personal insult, it is stating a fact on his manner. Poor is again a statement of fact on his ability to manage in the premier league. He has done nothing to justify being linked with the job.
And great. 110% each week. That is clearly all that is needed.
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Dour is not a personal insult, it is stating a fact on his manner. Poor is again a statement of fact on his ability to manage in the premier league. He has done nothing to justify being linked with the job.
And great. 110% each week. That is clearly all that is needed.
ok well as i said earlier , i dont care if the new manager has the ability to manage in the premier league , because to me promotion is more important but thats just my opinion , and i believe having a dour manner is not a characteristic that makes a bad manager , its irrelevant , anyway , dour is the last thing i would describe mcCarthy as ,, Goodnight
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Dour is not a personal insult, it is stating a fact on his manner. Poor is again a statement of fact on his ability to manage in the premier league. He has done nothing to justify being linked with the job.
And great. 110% each week. That is clearly all that is needed.
ok well as i said earlier , i dont care if the new manager has the ability to manage in the premier league , because to me promotion is more important but thats just my opinion , and i believe having a dour manner is not a characteristic that makes a bad manager , its irrelevant , anyway , dour is the last thing i would describe mcCarthy as ,, Goodnight
So then what happens when we get promoted? We fire the guy and pay out another 3 year contract? McCarthy has proven himself to be a failure in the PL. As has Bruce, so why even consider them? Because in a couple of years time we will be guaranteed to be circle the drain yet again, back to square one.
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Carver is such a wind up, think the club should double bluff him and string him along for an interview, leak a few positive stories about him make up some fan polls with him as favourite. They should get that guy Claude off the apprentice to do the interview - its says on your cv you're ambitious? You made the half time tea at Newcastle for 50 years!
Guarantee last home game of the season motd cameras will pan round showing Carver in the crowd with a smug grin on his face as Newcastle fans rub relegation in our faces, the guys an arsehole.
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McCarthy would be met with even more frustration than McLeish was from the stands. The man can't manage in the premier league at all. Much like Neil Warnock, basic football for promotion, then inevitably followed with relegation.
John Carver openly wanted us relegated last season, the giant cock. His application is an attempt at a joke I am sure. And that is before looking at his erm.. skill set.
Just go and sort Moyes Villa. Come on.
Whilst McCarthy wouldn't be my choice, I'm not sure he'd be met with the same frustration as Mcleish. Fans would just be frustrated because he wasn't Moyes but I agree, we need someone who going to keep us up once we were up. Taking the short term approach of getting up and worrying about it later would be wrong. I do like the bloke though, but not for us I don't think.
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Mick McCarthy absolutely fucking not.
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Carver has about as much chance of getting the job as me.
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Carver has about as much chance of getting the job as me.
Christ I hope we make the right appointment. This time round there's a queue forming for managers to take the job and there is probably more choice.
I wouldn't have put it past the old board regime to have gone and picked someone like Carver on his half time tea making abilities!
This time it's crucial the appointment is the right one. Don't screw it up again Villa.
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Dour is not a personal insult, it is stating a fact on his manner. Poor is again a statement of fact on his ability to manage in the premier league. He has done nothing to justify being linked with the job.
And great. 110% each week. That is clearly all that is needed.
ok well as i said earlier , i dont care if the new manager has the ability to manage in the premier league , because to me promotion is more important but thats just my opinion , and i believe having a dour manner is not a characteristic that makes a bad manager , its irrelevant , anyway , dour is the last thing i would describe mcCarthy as ,, Goodnight
So then what happens when we get promoted? We fire the guy and pay out another 3 year contract? McCarthy has proven himself to be a failure in the PL. As has Bruce, so why even consider them? Because in a couple of years time we will be guaranteed to be circle the drain yet again, back to square one.
'Failure' is a bit harsh on Bruce in my opionion. I would say that he regularly gets small clubs to over achieve, playing organised, functional football, however I don't think he is suited to managing a big club.
Furthermore, I would not want him as Villa manager because one key attributes I want in the new manager - admittedly one in my head - is the opportunity to dream beyond lower PL status. Success for Bruce/McCarthy/Alladyce and managers of that ilk is creating a "Pulis" team. I want the club to aspire beyond that.
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Can we read anything into the fact that Steve Round has been speaking to Adrian Bevvington? As Moyes previous number two he must still be in contact with him.
I've thought about the prospect of Pearson and a couple of things stand out for me. Even though Leicester went on that amazing run at the end of last season before that they were rubbish and were getting beaten virtually every week (sound familiar?) Also the staff that we're with him are still there and I would have thought are highly unlikely to give up on a Champions League campaign.
Moyes for me. There I've said it.
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I keep reading people dismissing certain candidates as they question what they'd achieve once we were back in the top flight.
I can't help but think that this kind of thinking is the fast track to the third division.
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Anyone who has the ability to kick the following out of the club permanently - preferably head first:
Gabby
CNZ
Richards
Richardson
Lescott
Bacuna
Guzan
Hutton
Clark
Wesrwood
its not going to happen if players are on big contracts , what other club would pay these useless lot the same wage .
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I keep reading people dismissing certain candidates as they question what they'd achieve once we were back in the top flight.
I can't help but think that this kind of thinking is the fast track to the third division.
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Absolutely, people are forgetting that we are in fact going to be in the Championship. Priority is to get out of it. All the managers linked have done that I'm afraid I feel we do need to be looking at the likes of Bruce, McCarthy, Pearson. Let's worry about whether they can hack it in the Premier League if / when we get back up there.
I haven't listed Moyes as I just don't think he will come.
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I wanted Moyes when O'Neil left. I thought he might have fancied a new challenge having spent so long at Everton.
In the interim I have still retained a fancy that he might manage us one day. Looking at the names on the list at the moment, he is the only one who comes near my criteria to manage us. However, I don't think he will drop down to the First Division and my other reservation if he were to get the job would be the rather pragmatic style of football.
Maybe a word from the likes of Brian Little or Graham Taylor would help......
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Moyes for me. There I've said it.
For me, this is the number 1 option and a dream scenario given our current plight. Villa should do everything and anything to get this bloke. Don't invite him to apply, get him in a room and offer him the chance to get us up again.
Beggars can't be choosers and God knows we're currently beggars, but this is a great opportunity imo.
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Moyes for me. There I've said it.
For me, this is the number 1 option and a dream scenario given our current plight. Villa should do everything and anything to get this bloke. Don't invite him to apply, get him in a room and offer him the chance to get us up again.
Beggars can't be choosers and God knows we're currently beggars, but this is a great opportunity imo.
Just a thought and I know they say never go back, but could he not be thinking of returning to Everton, if given the choice who would he choose?
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Moyes for me. There I've said it.
For me, this is the number 1 option and a dream scenario given our current plight. Villa should do everything and anything to get this bloke. Don't invite him to apply, get him in a room and offer him the chance to get us up again.
Beggars can't be choosers and God knows we're currently beggars, but this is a great opportunity imo.
Considering he has turned us down previously (at least twice?) it would be highly ironic that he agreed once we were in the Championship.
That said, it feels right for some reason, I think we are a good match for each other at the moment.
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Not been able to make the game today, but watching on BT. Currently interviewing Bernstein and the subject of the new manager came up. Maybe a slip of the tongue, but Bernstein said they are looking for an "English" manager, which would rule quite a few out.
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For me the single most important thing is to get out of Division 2 next season. We'll worry if the manager, or even the players, are good enough for the Division 1 when we're back in it. Obviously in an ideal world we'll get someone in long term, but it's not been an ideal world down B6 the last few seasons.
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Listening to the wireless for the commentary of the game and some plum apparently said Holloway would be a great appointment.
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Saw a tweet that said the club had approached both Moyes and Pearson.
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McCarthy would be met with even more frustration than McLeish was from the stands. The man can't manage in the premier league at all. Much like Neil Warnock, basic football for promotion, then inevitably followed with relegation.
I dont think so , mcCarthy isnt coming from small heath , and i dont care about having a manager that can manage in the premier league
We wont be in the premier league , I just want a manager that can get us promotion next season
pearson , dyche or mcCarthy will do for me , worry about the premier league once we are back in it
Taking that approach would simply mean coming straight back down. I hope the board have more vision than that. And the objection to McCarthy would be nothing to do with where he has been or come from, it would be that he is proven to be a poor manager.
Not necessarily , I still say to my Wolves mate at work , wolves would not have been relegated and would still be in the premier league now if they hadn't sacked mick mcarthy in the February.
Look at Leicester , this time last year in April still bottom of the league
They kept faith with Pearson and finished 14th
That Wolves side were heading for relegation anyway when McCarthy left and the supporters were in open revolt with him. The likes of Jamie O'Hara, Roger Johnson, Kevin Doyle, Stephen Hunt cost a fair amount of money and were a significant drain on the club as they couldn't shift them. MON lite really....at best
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Carver has about as much chance of getting the job as me.
Christ I hope we make the right appointment. This time round there's a queue forming for managers to take the job and there is probably more choice.
I wouldn't have put it past the old board regime to have gone and picked someone like Carver on his half time tea making abilities!
This time it's crucial the appointment is the right one. Don't screw it up again Villa.
What will make it the right one this time??
I assume previous appointments were considered the right one by those making these decisions.
It's a lottery. All the names in the poll may work, they may all not. Plenty will believe Moyes is the right one, but his chances like those before him are no better than 50/50.
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For me the single most important thing is to get out of Division 2 next season. We'll worry if the manager, or even the players, are good enough for the Division 1 when we're back in it. Obviously in an ideal world we'll get someone in long term, but it's not been an ideal world down B6 the last few seasons.
I posted similar earlier I would be more than happy with McCarthy. Bruce, Pearson, Dyche etc and I trust Bernstein to get the right man .
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DB just said they won't rushed and we're looking for an English manager (I assume meaning British) with Championship and PL experience.
He said a lot had gone wrong over many years but people are being put in position with responsibility to rectify this.
I liked listening to him. Have to say though, the first 15 minutes by BT was good journalism but made me want to slit my wrists!!
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I'd take one from Moyes, Pearson, Dyce and Big Mick.
Still think Moyes is a bit of a long shot. But I think he could do a good job in getting the best out of a limited squad, and could be effective in both the Championship and then if we got back up too. Don't think we will get Dyce if Burnely get promoted, otherwise he might fancy it. Both Mccarthy and Pearson know the Championship so well and are smart and tough, so I think either one could do a good job.
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Both Mccarthy and Pearson know the Championship so well and are smart and tough, so I think either one could do a good job.
Their extended experience of the Championship could also be viewed as a bad thing. The best managers would pass through rather than spend most of their time managing there in my opinion.
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For me, Moyes is the only one capable of building a squad rather than just a team that will get promotion. Nothing against Dyche, for example, but I don't see players sticking around for the long term like Moyes managed to achieve at Everton.
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McCarthy would be a huge backward step even from where we are now. The guy is an average Championship manager. Pearson would begin to look appealing in if mick was a serious option.
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Agreed.
If we somehow got Moyes, we could be optimistic about continuing on an upward curve after promotion.
For the others mentioned, they might get us out of that division. But you'd get the sense that we'd be facing a similar season to the last few once they'd done that.
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McCarthy would be a huge backward step even from where we are now. The guy is an average Championship manager. Pearson would begin to look appealing in if mick was a serious option.
Disagree, I think at least at that level Mick has a strong record. Not only has he got both Wolves and Sunderland promoted, but when he took over Ipswich they were near the bottom of the league and he turned them into Play-off contenders in almost no time. You have to rememer that in recent years the Championship has been far more capative than the PL. That he hasn't managed to get Ipswich up just yet shouldn't be a knock on him. He's done a good job there with very little money.
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So the new Board are also of the opinion it has to be someone English (British?) and with experience of the Championship. So much for the new broom and having football knowledge on the Board. To me it's similar thinking to "The England manager must be English" (and look where that got England) and just leads to clueless fuckwits like McCarthy and McLaren gaining regular lucrative employment.
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Both Mccarthy and Pearson know the Championship so well and are smart and tough, so I think either one could do a good job.
Their extended experience of the Championship could also be viewed as a bad thing. The best managers would pass through rather than spend most of their time managing there in my opinion.
But the other candidates people want are either already managing in the Premier League or will be next season. Apart from Moyes who I just don't think will come
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There are plenty of managers who would have a decent chance of getting us up. Thats not all we need, though, not by an absolute mile.
Yes, it is our pressing concern, but we need to do more than get back up and go back to clinging on like a more illustrious Wigan.
The club needs a year zero style change from top to bottom. It particularly needs to be reinvigorated, to have some long term hope instilled in it.
That is not going to happen with a manager like Bruce or Pearson. They might be decent appointments for some but they both smell of acceptance of our new status to me, when what we want is our former status back.
Moyes would be a coup - being able to attract a manager like that when not even in the top flight sends out a message - and he has significant experience keeping Everton at a level we used to be at.
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So the new Board are also of the opinion it has to be someone English (British?) and with experience of the Championship. So much for the new broom and having football knowledge on the Board. To me it's similar thinking to "The England manager must be English" (and look where that got England) and just leads to clueless fuckwits like McCarthy and McLaren gaining regular lucrative employment.
Those two don't belong in the same sentence. McCarthy has a far better track record than McLaren.
What I'm saying is that if we can't get Moyes (which I think is still a long shot) then I think we have to be realistic about who we can attract as Championship side. The like of Dyce, McCarthy and Pearson are far safer bets than going for another punt like we did with Garde.
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who's Dyce? Are we rolling for him?
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There are plenty of managers who would have a decent chance of getting us up. Thats not all we need, though, not by an absolute mile.
Yes, it is our pressing concern, but we need to do more than get back up and go back to clinging on like a more illustrious Wigan.
The club needs a year zero style change from top to bottom. It particularly needs to be reinvigorated, to have some long term hope instilled in it.
That is not going to happen with a manager like Bruce or Pearson. They might be decent appointments for some but they both smell of acceptance of our new status to me, when what we want is our former status back.
Moyes would be a coup - being able to attract a manager like that when not even in the top flight sends out a message - and he has significant experience keeping Everton at a level we used to be at.
Moyes would be perfect but if he doesn't come I can't think of anyone else apart from the usual suspects as Bernstein has said he wants a British manager.
We are where we are I'm afraid
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Well we need to do some creative thinking.
Don't get me wrong, we are an utter shambles from top to bottom and relegated, there's no escaping that, but I can't stand all this fucking "we'll have to accept Mick McCarthy because we will never get anyone better" fatalism.
What's the point in giving up on the future? Aren't we telling ourselves we've got a board who understand football now? Why assume the worst from them already?
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From my perspective, none of the options after Moyes appeal to me.
I'd prefer to gamble on an unknown quantity like Grayson than Pearson or one of the long in the tooth but ultimately average English managers that are being linked.
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From my perspective, none of the options after Moyes appeal to me.
I'd prefer to gamble on an unknown quantity like Grayson than Pearson or one of the long in the tooth but ultimately average English managers that are being linked.
So would I.
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Well we need to do some creative thinking.
Don't get me wrong, we are an utter shambles from top to bottom and relegated, there's no escaping that, but I can't stand all this fucking "we'll have to accept Mick McCarthy because we will never get anyone better" fatalism.
What's the point in giving up on the future? Aren't we telling ourselves we've got a board who understand football now? Why assume the worst from them already?
I think we are talking the difference between long term and short term thinking. With someone like McCarthy (who I think is a good manager) then I think there's a fairly good chance we would come back up, then it would be taking a gamble that he could keep us there. Whereas Moyes, and perhaps Dynce (because of his youth and forward thinking ideas), and Pearson would give us a better chance of staying up long term. I just don't think there's anything wrong with being realistic.
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I don't look at it as giving up on the future, look at West Ham as an example that's exactly the route they took and it's worked out ok for them. You could say the same for Leicester
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There are plenty of managers who would have a decent chance of getting us up. Thats not all we need, though, not by an absolute mile.
Yes, it is our pressing concern, but we need to do more than get back up and go back to clinging on like a more illustrious Wigan.
The club needs a year zero style change from top to bottom. It particularly needs to be reinvigorated, to have some long term hope instilled in it.
That is not going to happen with a manager like Bruce or Pearson. They might be decent appointments for some but they both smell of acceptance of our new status to me, when what we want is our former status back.
Moyes would be a coup - being able to attract a manager like that when not even in the top flight sends out a message - and he has significant experience keeping Everton at a level we used to be at.
Moyes would be perfect but if he doesn't come I can't think of anyone else apart from the usual suspects as Bernstein has said he wants a British manager.
We are where we are I'm afraid
He said "English" and I'd be surprised if the former boss of the English FA didn't know the difference between that and the term "British". It all seems to point to Pearson.
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There are plenty of managers who would have a decent chance of getting us up. Thats not all we need, though, not by an absolute mile.
Yes, it is our pressing concern, but we need to do more than get back up and go back to clinging on like a more illustrious Wigan.
The club needs a year zero style change from top to bottom. It particularly needs to be reinvigorated, to have some long term hope instilled in it.
That is not going to happen with a manager like Bruce or Pearson. They might be decent appointments for some but they both smell of acceptance of our new status to me, when what we want is our former status back.
Moyes would be a coup - being able to attract a manager like that when not even in the top flight sends out a message - and he has significant experience keeping Everton at a level we used to be at.
Moyes would be perfect but if he doesn't come I can't think of anyone else apart from the usual suspects as Bernstein has said he wants a British manager.
We are where we are I'm afraid
He said "English" and I'd be surprised if the former boss of the English FA didn't know the difference between that and the term "British". It all seems to point to Pearson.
Did he? I read the article in the Daily Mail and the writer states that as opposed to it being something quoted by Bernstein.
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John Carver has put his hat in the ring as well, lots experience with a club in the Sh*t ;)
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Chris Hughton is worth considering I reckon. Super jobs done at Newcastle, Blues and Brighton. Used to taking over absolute rabbles and the dressing room at Newcastle was equally as poisonous as our current one.
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When your thinking of the next manager just ask yourself this question.
Are they desperate enough to want to work for Lerner?
That should whittle it down a bit.
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Toronto, he said "English" on a BT Sport interview just before kick-off.
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Toronto, he said "English" on a BT Sport interview just before kick-off.
Hmm... Ok thanks. Let's hope he meant British because if not Pearson could be the bloke we appoint.
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Chris Hughton is worth considering I reckon. Super jobs done at Newcastle, Blues and Brighton. Used to taking over absolute rabbles and the dressing room at Newcastle was equally as poisonous as our current one.
Looks like he could be taking Brighton up, but he would be my second choice behind Moyes.
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There are plenty of managers who would have a decent chance of getting us up. Thats not all we need, though, not by an absolute mile.
Yes, it is our pressing concern, but we need to do more than get back up and go back to clinging on like a more illustrious Wigan.
The club needs a year zero style change from top to bottom. It particularly needs to be reinvigorated, to have some long term hope instilled in it.
That is not going to happen with a manager like Bruce or Pearson. They might be decent appointments for some but they both smell of acceptance of our new status to me, when what we want is our former status back.
Moyes would be a coup - being able to attract a manager like that when not even in the top flight sends out a message - and he has significant experience keeping Everton at a level we used to be at.
Moyes would be perfect but if he doesn't come I can't think of anyone else apart from the usual suspects as Bernstein has said he wants a British manager.
We are where we are I'm afraid
He said "English" and I'd be surprised if the former boss of the English FA didn't know the difference between that and the term "British". It all seems to point to Pearson.
Although I don't want it to happen, I think it is looking like it as well. I think it will probably happen as soon as relegation is confirmed as well.
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It's an embarrassment that we'll send out the call to that walking midlife crisis Pearson. This is a manager so good that he nearly relegated this year's league champions.
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He might be a prick but right now I'd unleash Pearson on this squad. I just want this season and something else, anything else, anyone else for the start of next season.
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It's an embarrassment that we'll send out the call to that walking midlife crisis Pearson. This is a manager so good that he nearly relegated this year's league champions.
I agree up to point that it is the same manager that had them both relegation candidates and in the end the side that could win the title.
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He might be a prick but right now I'd unleash Pearson on this squad. I just want this season and something else, anything else, anyone else for the start of next season.
So great, Pearson comes in and yells like Andy Sinton for a bit. What happens then? They slump out onto the pitch, wilt to another pathetic defeat, go back into the dressing room, get yelled at psychotically there and for the whole of the next week, slump out onto the pitch, etc etc. I know everyone wants to have a go at the players, but seriously, what would that actually achieve?
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It's an embarrassment that we'll send out the call to that walking midlife crisis Pearson. This is a manager so good that he nearly relegated this year's league champions.
And promoted them with ease the season before
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I think it will be Pearson too. Sadly.
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It's an embarrassment that we'll send out the call to that walking midlife crisis Pearson. This is a manager so good that he nearly relegated this year's league champions.
And promoted them with ease the season before
Frankly, who gives a shit? Tony Mowbray and Paul Jewell and Phil Brown have all got teams promoted, do you want them too?
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He might be a prick but right now I'd unleash Pearson on this squad. I just want this season and something else, anything else, anyone else for the start of next season.
So great, Pearson comes in and yells like Andy Sinton for a bit. What happens then? They slump out onto the pitch, wilt to another pathetic defeat, go back into the dressing room, get yelled at psychotically there and for the whole of the next week, slump out onto the pitch, etc etc. I know everyone wants to have a go at the players, but seriously, what would that actually achieve?
It wouldn't just be about shouting. He'd at least make players accountable.
Look he's not at all my first choice, but he has promotions below the PL, and it is the squad he assembled that went from relegation certainties to an amazing run, playing some great football to stay up. That couldn't have been easy to implement and it shouldn't be something that is dismissed from the conversation. Would I have Moyes instead? Off course, but I would have Pearson over whatever is left given the other realistic options.
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What's the point without the guy who found him players and hit assistant??
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What's the point without the guy who found him players and hit assistant??
I don't deny that's a concern which is why I really hope it is Moyes and most of his key staff, certainly Round and Phil Neville I assume would be available.
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He'd better be a miracle worker, whoever he (or she) is.
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I would love Dave to come - but seriously, would you expose yourself to this toxic pile of shite and risk the diminution of your reputation still further?
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Who voted for Gary Neville? ::)
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He might be a prick but right now I'd unleash Pearson on this squad. I just want this season and something else, anything else, anyone else for the start of next season.
So great, Pearson comes in and yells like Andy Sinton for a bit. What happens then? They slump out onto the pitch, wilt to another pathetic defeat, go back into the dressing room, get yelled at psychotically there and for the whole of the next week, slump out onto the pitch, etc etc. I know everyone wants to have a go at the players, but seriously, what would that actually achieve?
It wouldn't just be about shouting. He'd at least make players accountable.
Look he's not at all my first choice, but he has promotions below the PL, and it is the squad he assembled that went from relegation certainties to an amazing run, playing some great football to stay up. That couldn't have been easy to implement and it shouldn't be something that is dismissed from the conversation. Would I have Moyes instead? Off course, but I would have Pearson over whatever is left given the other realistic options.
Well, if by 'realistic' you mean 'likely' then obviously Pearson is the man because the board seen to want him. I'm criticising their apparent choice.
As for 'making the players accountable' I really don't know what that means. They're accountable now, they've seen off two managers this season, and they still can't be bothered. What would it mean then, practically, to 'make them accountable'? How would one go about that?
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He might be a prick but right now I'd unleash Pearson on this squad. I just want this season and something else, anything else, anyone else for the start of next season.
So great, Pearson comes in and yells like Andy Sinton for a bit. What happens then? They slump out onto the pitch, wilt to another pathetic defeat, go back into the dressing room, get yelled at psychotically there and for the whole of the next week, slump out onto the pitch, etc etc. I know everyone wants to have a go at the players, but seriously, what would that actually achieve?
It wouldn't just be about shouting. He'd at least make players accountable.
Look he's not at all my first choice, but he has promotions below the PL, and it is the squad he assembled that went from relegation certainties to an amazing run, playing some great football to stay up. That couldn't have been easy to implement and it shouldn't be something that is dismissed from the conversation. Would I have Moyes instead? Off course, but I would have Pearson over whatever is left given the other realistic options.
Well, if by 'realistic' you mean 'likely' then obviously Pearson is the man because the board seen to want him. I'm criticising their apparent choice.
As for 'making the players accountable' I really don't know what that means. They're accountable now, they've seen off two managers this season, and they still can't be bothered. What would it mean then, practically, to 'make them accountable'? How would one go about that?
I don't think these players have been accountable all season. It's been disagraceful how they have conducted themselves. And it won't just be the manager that gets players to play again with desire and pride, and a real willingness to be at Aston Villa. It will be a process that has to start with the new board, allowing the manager the leverage to make decisions that gives him the required power over the dressing room. It won't happen overnight.
Truthfully, I have fucking no idea what the answer is. I doubt anybody else does either.
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It would be nice to think our next manager was licking his lips and mentally composing the "fuck off out of here" speech he's going to give Micah Richards, Brad Guzan and Joleon Lescott.
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Those 3 plus Gabby and Bacuna. Get shot of those 5 you stand a chance of instilling a bit of spirit.
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It's an embarrassment that we'll send out the call to that walking midlife crisis Pearson. This is a manager so good that he nearly relegated this year's league champions.
And promoted them with ease the season before
Frankly, who gives a shit? Tony Mowbray and Paul Jewell and Phil Brown have all got teams promoted, do you want them too?
Didn't say I wanted him but that's the type of manager were at I'm afraid
Id like Pep but I know we won't get him
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The only consolidation of Pearson is he is not McCarthy
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He might be a prick but right now I'd unleash Pearson on this squad. I just want this season and something else, anything else, anyone else for the start of next season.
So great, Pearson comes in and yells like Andy Sinton for a bit. What happens then? They slump out onto the pitch, wilt to another pathetic defeat, go back into the dressing room, get yelled at psychotically there and for the whole of the next week, slump out onto the pitch, etc etc. I know everyone wants to have a go at the players, but seriously, what would that actually achieve?
I'm confused by the Andy Sinton reference.
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I can't help but feel that there's a middle ground somewhere between Pep and Pearson. If Middlesborough can hire Aitor Karanka then there's got to be some hope above the Pearson level.
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I can't help but feel that there's a middle ground somewhere between Pep and Pearson. If Middlesborough can hire Aitor Karanka then there's got to be some hope above the Pearson level.
Exactly
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He might be a prick but right now I'd unleash Pearson on this squad. I just want this season and something else, anything else, anyone else for the start of next season.
So great, Pearson comes in and yells like Andy Sinton for a bit. What happens then? They slump out onto the pitch, wilt to another pathetic defeat, go back into the dressing room, get yelled at psychotically there and for the whole of the next week, slump out onto the pitch, etc etc. I know everyone wants to have a go at the players, but seriously, what would that actually achieve?
I'm confused by the Andy Sinton reference.
Bollocks, I meant John Sitton didn't I.
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The only consolidation of Pearson is he is not McCarthy
I'd actually rather have McCarthy. At least I like him as a bloke, he doesn't tell supporters to 'f off and die', that kind of thing.
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I can't help but feel that there's a middle ground somewhere between Pep and Pearson. If Middlesborough can hire Aitor Karanka then there's got to be some hope above the Pearson level.
And there may well be. But I don't think we are going down the non British route agin for this hire and whoever it is has to be made of stern stuff for the immediate task ahead. That's all that matters along with his ability to be competent enough to get us promoted. It's not easy to find all of those components, and even if it was Moyes, there's no guarantee he could do it either. We'd just have more faith that he could.
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I can't help but feel that there's a middle ground somewhere between Pep and Pearson. If Middlesborough can hire Aitor Karanka then there's got to be some hope above the Pearson level.
Agreed, Monty but we seem determined to hire a British manager. Immediately that reduces the list to the washed up, loons and unemployable. All the talk about having Championship experience is a red herring, what we need are players that will battle every single game, matching the opposition. To think only a British manager can get that out of a team is ridiculous and very shortsighted.
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I'd rather have Martin O'Neill back than Nigel fucking Pearson.
He's just an angry wanker with a 1000 yard stare and the ability to piss off fans and media alike. No thanks!
I also can't see how his style of man-management would be effective, given the utter lack of professional interest shown by the majority of the squad. What's he going to do? Give them all a thick ear and send them to their rooms?
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Totally irrelevant until we bin 10 of the match day squad.
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I can't help but feel that there's a middle ground somewhere between Pep and Pearson. If Middlesborough can hire Aitor Karanka then there's got to be some hope above the Pearson level.
And there may well be. But I don't think we are going down the non British route agin for this hire and whoever it is has to be made of stern stuff for the immediate task ahead. That's all that matters along with his ability to be competent enough to get us promoted. It's not easy to find all of those components, and even if it was Moyes, there's no guarantee he could do it either. We'd just have more faith that he could.
I agree, but my concern is that there is going to have to be major investment to even make us competitive in the Championship. I doubt whether that kind of money is going to be available without selling the few decent players we have.
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We are going to have to trust the process. It's not Randy and Fox or Faulkner now making the decision. It's two people with a lot of football experience that are seeing what we are all seeing. And seeing it not just from our perspective but also close at hand internally. They have a lot more information than we have regarding the candidates. Who has applied, who hasn't yet and who ultimately that they want. There is a lot of speculation and frankly none of it might be accurate. I'm fucking tired of what we have become and I have no idea what the solution is, but I hope we take our time to make a very well thought out decision. There is almost no chance everyone will agree with it, but hopefully we will be happy with the eventual outcome.
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Totally irrelevant until we bin 10 of the match day squad.
True. They can change manager and board members and bring a hero on board but until the players are shifted we are paralysed.
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As above, keep the majority of the shit heads that play for us and it doesn't matter.
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After the little bit of euphoria over the appointment of a footballing pro-active board, I'm so disappointed at the thought that they are even considering the likes of Pearson. If they do, they can do one too.
I am hoping that those in charge are happy to run with the Pearson rumours whilst secretly lining up a respectable appointment, if that's Moyes then so be it but, please not Pearson, we've lost enough credibility as it is.
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If I didn't love the club I'd be wanting a fucking nutter Pearson or Di Canio to have a fist fight with some of these twats.
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After the little bit of euphoria over the appointment of a footballing pro-active board, I'm so disappointed at the thought that they are even considering the likes of Pearson. If they do, they can do one too.
Did I hear right that they insist on British? If so sounds like similar approach before in must have Premiership experience etc..
Ruling candidates out based on prejudice
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Looks like we've missed out on Iain Dowie (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/iain-dowie-new-job-its-7601935)
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I think the board should consider all option as opposed to Fox having a candidate list of one when he hired Sherwood. I would also hope that they look at the complete profile of all of the applicants.
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After the little bit of euphoria over the appointment of a footballing pro-active board, I'm so disappointed at the thought that they are even considering the likes of Pearson. If they do, they can do one too.
Did I hear right that they insist on British? If so sounds like similar approach before in must have Premiership experience etc..
Ruling candidates out based on prejudice
Bernstein actually said English with Championship and Premiership experience. Thought for a while it's inevitable we're going to end up with Pearson, hope I'm wrong.
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Leicester fans love Pearson .....the media dislike him simply because he dislikes them ......
The big time charlie we have would be gone ....he wants players with 100% work ethic very much the Ron Saunders approach
Pearson would have us in the top six at least of the Championship next season ....what more do we want
We might be ASTON VILLA but we will simply be a fallen giant in the Championship and the choice of managers we will have will not be great
Just a thought tho which I do have is that if we do not appoint within the next two weeks I guess we are waiting for someone to leave a club at the end of the season ........ Tony Pullis comes to mind ...not a popular choice but again he would do the job .......just recall who got shot of Lescott from the Baggies
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I want to win the league. Find Islington top six is not good enough. The only objective is promotion in the first year.
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As it stands we have more chance of being relegated next season than winning the League !
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Pearson would shake things up massively - he'd soon root out the shirkers and wasters. The Leicester team currently at the top is mainly his team. He got Leicester promoted from the Championship.
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After the little bit of euphoria over the appointment of a footballing pro-active board, I'm so disappointed at the thought that they are even considering the likes of Pearson. If they do, they can do one too.
Did I hear right that they insist on British? If so sounds like similar approach before in must have Premiership experience etc..
Ruling candidates out based on prejudice
Bernstein actually said English with Championship and Premiership experience. Thought for a while it's inevitable we're going to end up with Pearson, hope I'm wrong.
I really hope Bernstein and Bevington are going to look for the best possible manager rather than support the FA agenda of employing more English managers. Right now it's a tough one and anybody watching us today will understandably have second thoughts. Is there anybody currently employed that could be on the list or are we only looking at those immediately available?
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As it stands we have more chance of being relegated next season than winning the League !
No we don't.
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Lets face it whoever they appoint will not find favour with everyone. Should it be Nigel Pearson and we start winning a few nobody will be complaining. He can spot talent as Jamie Vardy has confirmed. He was also responsible for getting Harry Kane in on loan and made a player out of Marc Albrighton. Having said that he is unlikely to get his backroom staff away from Leicester which could be a huge problem. David Moyes could persuade Garry Neville to come with him and they could both repair their damaged reputations at B6.
I don't see anyone else in the picture.
Money will talk as usual.
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Lets face it whoever they appoint will not find favour with everyone. Should it be Nigel Pearson and we start winning a few nobody will be complaining. He can spot talent as Jamie Vardy has confirmed. He was also responsible for getting Harry Kane in on loan and made a player out of Marc Albrighton. Having said that he is unlikely to get his backroom staff away from Leicester which could be a huge problem. David Moyes could persuade Garry Neville to come with him and they could both repair their damaged reputations at B6.
I don't see anyone else in the picture.
Money will talk as usual.
I'm with you only some of the drama queens on this forum could make pearson out to be a bad manager. He certainly isn't a bad manager in Championship terms, and he kept the Foxes up with ease last season when at one stage they looked beried at one point. Good manager for me, and we could do much worse.
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Why are people 'drama queens' for disagreeing with you?
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As it stands we have more chance of being relegated next season than winning the League !
No we don't.
And what do you base your statement on? We are a disgrace currently and when watching then week in week out you know that team will not survive in the championship
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Pearson would shake things up massively - he'd soon root out the shirkers and wasters. The Leicester team currently at the top is mainly his team. He got Leicester promoted from the Championship.
Yet he's so shit that he managed to have 'mainly his team' at the bottom of the league for the majority of the season.
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As it stands we have more chance of being relegated next season than winning the League !
No we don't.
And what do you base your statement on? We are a disgrace currently and when watching then week in week out you know that team will not survive in the championship
I don't believe for one second that this side, as abject it has been, has more chance of being relegated again than promoted. Because it rarely happens to any relegated side is another reason. And also the fact that it won't be this side that will start next season. There will be lots of changes including a new manager coupled with much weaker competition.
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Pearson would shake things up massively - he'd soon root out the shirkers and wasters. The Leicester team currently at the top is mainly his team. He got Leicester promoted from the Championship.
Yet he's so shit that he managed to have 'mainly his team' at the bottom of the league for the majority of the season.
Yet it was also that same side that he managed to change, somehow, some way to having a stunning end of season run to finish comfortably away from the relegation zone. As much as he was a part of the poor start to the season he should be commended for his part in how it ended.
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Pearson would shake things up massively - he'd soon root out the shirkers and wasters. The Leicester team currently at the top is mainly his team. He got Leicester promoted from the Championship.
Yet he's so shit that he managed to have 'mainly his team' at the bottom of the league for the majority of the season.
But that makes his achivement even greater. It doesn't matter where they were, only where they finished. And I think he deserves his fair shar e of credit for their likely title win this season. I conceed he would be a gamble but one worth taking for me.
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Pearson would shake things up massively - he'd soon root out the shirkers and wasters. The Leicester team currently at the top is mainly his team. He got Leicester promoted from the Championship.
Yet he's so shit that he managed to have 'mainly his team' at the bottom of the league for the majority of the season.
But finished comfortably above us by the end of the season. They were adjusting to a new league, had a lot of bad luck in some games and were marginally losing some games, then something clicked and the rest is history.
I really can't see how he can get no credit for a)promoting them and b) keeping them in the league.
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Most of the "drama queens" on here have a problem with the fact he's a total wanker rather than if he may be a decent manager.
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He's a manager with an okay record with a team around him that he won't get in should he come to us, and he's a total psycho who would embarrass the club even further.
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Pearson would shake things up massively - he'd soon root out the shirkers and wasters. The Leicester team currently at the top is mainly his team. He got Leicester promoted from the Championship.
Yet he's so shit that he managed to have 'mainly his team' at the bottom of the league for the majority of the season.
But that makes his achivement even greater. It doesn't matter where they were, only where they finished. And I think he deserves his fair shar e of credit for their likely title win this season. I conceed he would be a gamble but one worth taking for me.
Any manager is a gamble. But there is little point taking a gamble on a demonstrably shit manager and a horrendous person to boot.
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I for one who have no problem if Pearson is deemed a bully and he deals with the likes of Gabby, Richards, Lescott etc etc
Do we wish to appoint Mr Nice Guy and continue exactly how we are?
Sorry but we need someone nasty to deal with all the crap that we currently have
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He's a manager with an okay record with a team around him that he won't get in should he come to us, and he's a total psycho who would embarrass the club even further.
But the 'total psycho' is your label for him. A lot of really good managers have temper issues. There are some of us think that his fire could be a good thing in giving some our usless players a kick up the back side they need. Sometimes needs much. Not saying a manager's character character doesn't matter, but its not like the guy killed someone right?
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I for one who have no problem if Pearson is deemed a bully and he deals with the likes of Gabby, Richards, Lescott etc etc
Do we wish to appoint Mr Nice Guy and continue exactly how we are?
Sorry but we need someone nasty to deal with all the crap that we currently have
I was always under the impression Pearson was very protective of his players hence his attitude towards the press
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I for one who have no problem if Pearson is deemed a bully and he deals with the likes of Gabby, Richards, Lescott etc etc
Do we wish to appoint Mr Nice Guy and continue exactly how we are?
Sorry but we need someone nasty to deal with all the crap that we currently have
You can not fuck about with players and be a tough guy in the dressing room without pulling all the other shit Pearson has done.
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To be honest, I think Pearson's a bit of a drama queen.
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Pearson would shake things up massively - he'd soon root out the shirkers and wasters. The Leicester team currently at the top is mainly his team. He got Leicester promoted from the Championship.
Yet he's so shit that he managed to have 'mainly his team' at the bottom of the league for the majority of the season.
But that makes his achivement even greater. It doesn't matter where they were, only where they finished. And I think he deserves his fair shar e of credit for their likely title win this season. I conceed he would be a gamble but one worth taking for me.
Any manager is a gamble. But there is little point taking a gamble on a demonstrably shit manager and a horrendous person to boot.
But tell me how he's a bad manager? His record at other clubs doesen't back that up for me.
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I'm with you only some of the drama queens on this forum could make pearson out to be a bad manager. He certainly isn't a bad manager in Championship terms, and he kept the Foxes up with ease last season when at one stage they looked beried at one point. Good manager for me, and we could do much worse.
Anybody with a different opinion to you is a 'drama queen'?
If he's such a wonderful manager why didn't Leicester start playing until the last couple of months and why were the Leicester board so happy to get rid of him? Hardly held them back getting rid. Of course as others have pointed out he's a massive wanker.
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We don't need a nasty basted to deal with some of the players. The board can do that although it will cost money. We need a manager who can bring the best out of players.
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I for one who have no problem if Pearson is deemed a bully and he deals with the likes of Gabby, Richards, Lescott etc etc
Do we wish to appoint Mr Nice Guy and continue exactly how we are?
No, we wish to appoint a decent football manager who wins us football matches. If he's nice, that's fine. If he makes the players lives hell, that's fine.
Where I have the issue is if we appoint a horrible person just because he's a horrible person. That's not why we employ a manager.
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He's a manager with an okay record with a team around him that he won't get in should he come to us, and he's a total psycho who would embarrass the club even further.
But the 'total psycho' is your label for him. A lot of really good managers have temper issues. There are some of us think that his fire could be a good thing in giving some our usless players a kick up the back side they need. Sometimes needs much. Not saying a manager's character character doesn't matter, but its not like the guy killed someone right?
No he just told his own fans to "fuck off and die", insulted reporters, tried to strangle an opposition player, acted like a mentalist in press conferences, stories of him bullying non playing staff. Even as shit as we are, those aren't the actions of someone I want employed by Villa.
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It was Walsh that found Vardy, Kante and Mahrez apparently. He seems to be the brains of it from that respect. Unless he comes with his team, there is no point at all.
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So if Brian Little, Bernstein, King, Hollis and whoever they appoint to the Football Director (whatever it will be called) decide to appoint Pearson, how will everyone view the new football board?
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I'll be against it and think it is a shit decision.
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This sudden transformation of Leicester City at the back-end of last season that saw the run-in to safety. Can someone better informed than me explain the changes that made it come about? What did Leicester do that they hadn't been doing to date? We're there changes in personnel? Were there formation changes? Were there tactical revisions? I don't know which is why I'm asking. Were any or all of these changes specifically down to Pearson or had he run out of ideas and took advice from his assistants as a last resort.
If he'd been stubborn enough to persist with his own methods for 29 games before listening to other advice, what makes anyone think he wouldn't do the same with us? Don't you all think that we've had enough of this shit? It's something I cannot become immune to. This is before his arrogant attitude to supporters and media alike come in to question which, is another debate altogether. I'm trying to be objective here and not let my dislike of him cloud my judgement.
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Pearson would shake things up massively - he'd soon root out the shirkers and wasters. The Leicester team currently at the top is mainly his team. He got Leicester promoted from the Championship.
Yet he's so shit that he managed to have 'mainly his team' at the bottom of the league for the majority of the season.
But that makes his achivement even greater. It doesn't matter where they were, only where they finished. And I think he deserves his fair shar e of credit for their likely title win this season. I conceed he would be a gamble but one worth taking for me.
Any manager is a gamble. But there is little point taking a gamble on a demonstrably shit manager and a horrendous person to boot.
But tell me how he's a bad manager? His record at other clubs doesen't back that up for me.
No offence, but you seem to know very little about him apart from that his team won half a dozen matches at the back end of last season.
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This sudden transformation of Leicester City at the back-end of last season that saw the run-in to safety. Can someone better informed than me explain the changes that made it come about? What did Leicester do that they hadn't been doing to date? We're there changes in personnel? Were there formation changes? Were there tactical revisions? I don't know which is why I'm asking. Were any or all of these changes specifically down to Pearson or had he run out of ideas and took advice from his assistants as a last resort.
If he'd been stubborn enough to persist with his own methods for 29 games before listening to other advice, what makes anyone think he wouldn't do the same with us? Don't you all think that we've had enough of this shit? It's something I cannot become immune to. This is before his arrogant attitude to supporters and media alike come in to question which, is another debate altogether. I'm trying to be objective here and not let my dislike of him cloud my judgement.
Well excately. I just think you really have to be anti-Pearson to believe that he deserves no credit for their turn around. And throughout his career he has been a very consistent manager. Kept the Saints up when they looked doomed, had two good spells at Lesicter, and wasn't given much of a chance at Hull. If we can get Moyes then perfect. If not I'd say Pearson would be a good choice.
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If they do appoint him I week think they have made a mistake to go for an unstable man without his support mechanisms. I will also think that the review they have done had been pretty poor considering we have made the same mistake as they have in the past to appoint a manager and not a team.
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I for one who have no problem if Pearson is deemed a bully and he deals with the likes of Gabby, Richards, Lescott etc etc
Do we wish to appoint Mr Nice Guy and continue exactly how we are?
Sorry but we need someone nasty to deal with all the crap that we currently have
Like we had with Roy Keane, you mean?
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There's a lot of chat here about a manager we haven't yet appointed. I for one have faith in the new board to make the right decision for this club. Let's just wait and see what occurs shall we?
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There's a lot of chat here about a manager we haven't yet appointed. I for one have faith in the new board to make the right decision for this club. Let's just wait and see what occurs shall we?
Then what's the point in having a forum for discussing Villa?
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What is needed is someone who is principled, strong, adept in man-management with an in-depth knowledge of football.
As my Old man used to say,"wish in one hand and shit in the other. See what comes first".
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Has anybody watched Brighton this season? No idea how they play but Chris Hughton seems to have preformed miracles there. I doubt we'll wait around to even consider him as he'll either want to stick with Brighton should they get automatic promotion or he'll be involved in the play-offs.
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Has anybody watched Brighton this season? No idea how they play but Chris Hughton seems to have preformed miracles there. I doubt we'll wait around to even consider him as he'll either want to stick with Brighton should they get automatic promotion or he'll be involved in the play-offs.
Hughton may have good football qualities but bloody hell he is SUCH a sad arse in his press conferences win or lose I dont think I could take it week after week.
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Has anybody watched Brighton this season? No idea how they play but Chris Hughton seems to have preformed miracles there. I doubt we'll wait around to even consider him as he'll either want to stick with Brighton should they get automatic promotion or he'll be involved in the play-offs.
My biggest issue with Hughton is that he appears to be another manager with a very definite ceiling. He gets so far before getting fired from wherever he is. Now if the criteria is lets just get promoted then we have lots of managerial choices. But if it is someone to be at the club for longer than that then managers like Hughton or Bruce probably aren't a good choice.
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Pearson was Carlisle manager when they stayed up after their on loan goalie scored that last minute goal.
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If Newcastle go down, we may have competition for Moyes or any other decent manager that may be around.
We need to get someone in this season, and give them a chance to work out who he wants to get rid of and who isn't completely irredeemable.
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I'm quite confident they - whoever they are - knows that already. and I agree with you about the Jawdies; if Moyes is in any way a contender let's hope we are already in advanced talks.
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Has anybody watched Brighton this season? No idea how they play but Chris Hughton seems to have preformed miracles there. I doubt we'll wait around to even consider him as he'll either want to stick with Brighton should they get automatic promotion or he'll be involved in the play-offs.
My biggest issue with Hughton is that he appears to be another manager with a very definite ceiling. He gets so far before getting fired from wherever he is. Now if the criteria is lets just get promoted then we have lots of managerial choices. But if it is someone to be at the club for longer than that then managers like Hughton or Bruce probably aren't a good choice.
I don't think there's anybody out there that would be willing to take the job that has the capability to be our long term manager.
His managerial record may look like that on paper but apparently having got them promoted, Newcastle fans were furious that Ashley fired him. He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in his first season. Even when he left Norwich by mutual consent, they were five points above the relegation zone. Brighton were 21st in the league when he took over. They went on a 21 game unbeaten run this season.
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Has anybody watched Brighton this season? No idea how they play but Chris Hughton seems to have preformed miracles there. I doubt we'll wait around to even consider him as he'll either want to stick with Brighton should they get automatic promotion or he'll be involved in the play-offs.
My biggest issue with Hughton is that he appears to be another manager with a very definite ceiling. He gets so far before getting fired from wherever he is. Now if the criteria is lets just get promoted then we have lots of managerial choices. But if it is someone to be at the club for longer than that then managers like Hughton or Bruce probably aren't a good choice.
I don't think there's anybody out there that would be willing to take the job that has the capability to be our long term manager.
His managerial record may look like that on paper but apparently having got them promoted, Newcastle fans were furious that Ashley fired him. He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL. Even when he left Norwich by mutual consent, they were five points above the relegation zone. Brighton were 21st in the league when he took over. They went on a 21 game unbeaten run this season.
I agree with you Rudy but I honestly don't think he would countenance a move to us at this juncture.
In the plangent words of 80's song smith Nik Kershaw: "we've got it bad, you don't know bad we've got it; you've got it better, I'd stay right there if were you".
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He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL.
I don't think that was Hughton. We might be able to tempt the bloke who did get Norwich to 11th that season though if we asked nicely...
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He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL.
I don't think that was Hughton. We might be able to tempt the bloke who did get Norwich to 11th that season though if we asked nicely...
The return of the king?
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I wonder if a few of our managerial targets went out after that today and bought a new phone with a new number.
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He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL.
I don't think that was Hughton. We might be able to tempt the bloke who did get Norwich to 11th that season though if we asked nicely...
Sorry, Dave, meant to say HIS first season at Norwich.
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He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL.
I don't think that was Hughton. We might be able to tempt the bloke who did get Norwich to 11th that season though if we asked nicely...
The return of the king?
Well, apparently we need somebody with experience of getting teams promoted from the Championship.
He was rubbish, but even he'd be better than Pearson.
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He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL.
I don't think that was Hughton. We might be able to tempt the bloke who did get Norwich to 11th that season though if we asked nicely...
Sorry, Dave, meant to say HIS first season at Norwich.
I figured, just saw the excuse to be silly - and for what it's worth I'd not be particularly against Hughton. He's certainly better than a lot of the names on the list at the top of the thread.
My main objection is that people calling him Chris Houghton would immediately jump a dozen or so places in my list of "football inaccuracies that annoy the shit out of me" table.
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A decent bunch of players with discipline and pride, coaching and managing themselves would be much more effective than this shower being managed by Guardiola. Less concerned by our future managerial appointment than I am about our owners intent to sanction what is desperately required.
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We should have appointed Moyes years ago but he wouldn't come now and he has no recent Championship experience. Pearson will shake these lazy useless b**t**ds up because they aren't being sacked any time soon.
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He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL.
I don't think that was Hughton. We might be able to tempt the bloke who did get Norwich to 11th that season though if we asked nicely...
The return of the king?
Well, apparently we need somebody with experience of getting teams promoted from the Championship.
He was rubbish, but even he'd be better than Pearson.
good point
Knows the club, very familiar with the players, british, track record of promotion in the championship.
Ticking the boxes here.... :D :D :D
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The challenge as I see it is that any of the so-called experienced big name managers (Moyes, Rodgers) will look at what has gone on here and look at this squad & their attitude, and demand as part of their appointment the funds to sort it out - that isn't going to happen, so that rules them out.
Then we have the "chancers" such as Neville, Pulis, and Southgate - who just are not big enough or talented enough to do the job - lets hope the board avoid going down that road.
Leaves the inevitable names who would come here because they need to kick start their career again and are belligerent enough to believe they can work with this squad - I shudder but those names are Pearson, McLaren, McCarthy.
We need one of the former, but I just don't see where the funding is going to come from - the new board are improved but don't see them doling out the requisite money, and Lerner certainly wont.
We will get one of the latter and next season could be horrific.
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He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL.
I don't think that was Hughton. We might be able to tempt the bloke who did get Norwich to 11th that season though if we asked nicely...
Look what happened the last time we appointed a successful Norwich manager. However, if he was still here I suspect that we wouldn't be in quite this mess.
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Pearson will shake these lazy useless b**t**ds up because they aren't being sacked any time soon.
That's fine for his first day at work, it's what happens thereafter that worries me.
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It's not going to make any new managers job any easier if we go down with Newcastle and Sunderland which seems likely
as bad as they are we are a lot worse
and we won't be the 'Manchester Utd of the championship' as I've heard at least 3 times this week from different pundits
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I would still wait for the summer and the dust to settle. What's the point of a new man coming in and improving things this season when all its likely to do is make sure anyone half decent gets sold? Once we know what the manager has to work with, and what ,if any money he have to improve it, then we can appoint someone.
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He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL.
I don't think that was Hughton. We might be able to tempt the bloke who did get Norwich to 11th that season though if we asked nicely...
Look what happened the last time we appointed a successful Norwich manager. However, if he was still here I suspect that we wouldn't be in quite this mess.
I fully expect to get slated for saying this, but I railed against Lambert being sacked precisely because I had a strong hunch this would be the result. Have posted several times about the folly of constantly changing mnagers, and better qualified people than me have too - Fergie and Wenger spring to mind most recently. Yes things were bad when he left but that change precipitated worse days to come IMO.
Until we learn that managers need time (especially given our horrendous situation) we will worryingly continue to decline and drop.
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He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL.
I don't think that was Hughton. We might be able to tempt the bloke who did get Norwich to 11th that season though if we asked nicely...
Look what happened the last time we appointed a successful Norwich manager. However, if he was still here I suspect that we wouldn't be in quite this mess.
No, we'd probably have won more games this season than we actually have done.
Albeit in a lower division.
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He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL.
I don't think that was Hughton. We might be able to tempt the bloke who did get Norwich to 11th that season though if we asked nicely...
Sorry, Dave, meant to say HIS first season at Norwich.
I figured, just saw the excuse to be silly - and for what it's worth I'd not be particularly against Hughton. He's certainly better than a lot of the names on the list at the top of the thread.
My main objection is that people calling him Chris Houghton would immediately jump a dozen or so places in my list of "football inaccuracies that annoy the shit out of me" table.
Especially if he thought Ciaran Clarke was worthy of a starting spot given their Irish connection.
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Lambert had been here nearly 3 years and we were getting worse each season. We were in the bottom 3, hadn't won for 10 games and were averaging half a goal a game. If he'd stayed we'd have gone last season, I have very little doubt about that.
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I would love Dave to come - but seriously, would you expose yourself to this toxic pile of shite and risk the diminution of your reputation still further?
I think the opposite. The new manager will find a club at rock bottom and consequently will take the credit for any good work from a competent board, a euphoric crowd simply stunned by home wins plus we hate all the players so he has a carte blanche to create his team.
I think there is a pent up willingness from everyone to find some enjoyment after 5 years of shite. The manager will be on to a winner if he can tap into that.
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Lambert had been here nearly 3 years and we were getting worse each season. We were in the bottom 3, hadn't won for 10 games and were averaging half a goal a game. If he'd stayed we'd have gone last season, I have very little doubt about that.
which would have precipitated the sorts of changes we now have to go through anyway. No difference which is why changing every bloody 6-9 months is folly.
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Lambert had been here nearly 3 years and we were getting worse each season. We were in the bottom 3, hadn't won for 10 games and were averaging half a goal a game. If he'd stayed we'd have gone last season, I have very little doubt about that.
which would have precipitated the sorts of changes we now have to go through anyway. No difference which is why changing every bloody 6-9 months is folly.
Really? Changes? Under Tom Fox? Because that is what we had last year. Better to not go down at all but, better to go down this year with some level of intellect on the board that the shit we had last year.
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I would still wait for the summer and the dust to settle. What's the point of a new man coming in and improving things this season when all its likely to do is make sure anyone half decent gets sold? Once we know what the manager has to work with, and what ,if any money he have to improve it, then we can appoint someone.
I tend to agree with that. I'm guessing Garde sat down with Brian Little and gave him a report of the current players and the problems he faced. He probably didn't want another season at Villa Park for a whole list of reasons so the club decided to remove him as his staying didn't serve either party. The new structure that includes bringing in a Head of Football seems designed to relieve the next manager of all the administration at the club beyond the first team. Focus is on promotion and getting the best out of the first team squad.
I've no doubt that even with a board room full of accountants, money will be available for the new manager. It would be pointless not to do so but before we start spending the board will need to know how much is going to be wasted getting rid of the slackers. It's a massive job. Add to that our scouting has to be right up to speed now, which is why PR is probably still in a job. What's very important is that the club continue to highlight the changes that are being made so that any potential manager can see that we have finally turned the page and the Villa job could be a great opportunity rather than a managerial graveyard.
Under those circumstances there are plenty of decent managers that would jump at the chance to manage us. I'd imagine the salary will still be attractive with a nice big bonus thrown in for promotion. Right now to appoint a new manager with such a limited choice makes no sense. Let's get our house in order between now and the end of the season and take it from there.
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Has anybody watched Brighton this season? No idea how they play but Chris Hughton seems to have preformed miracles there. I doubt we'll wait around to even consider him as he'll either want to stick with Brighton should they get automatic promotion or he'll be involved in the play-offs.
My biggest issue with Hughton is that he appears to be another manager with a very definite ceiling. He gets so far before getting fired from wherever he is. Now if the criteria is lets just get promoted then we have lots of managerial choices. But if it is someone to be at the club for longer than that then managers like Hughton or Bruce probably aren't a good choice.
I don't think there's anybody out there that would be willing to take the job that has the capability to be our long term manager.
His managerial record may look like that on paper but apparently having got them promoted, Newcastle fans were furious that Ashley fired him. He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in his first season. Even when he left Norwich by mutual consent, they were five points above the relegation zone. Brighton were 21st in the league when he took over. They went on a 21 game unbeaten run this season.
That is quite impressive.
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I would still wait for the summer and the dust to settle. What's the point of a new man coming in and improving things this season when all its likely to do is make sure anyone half decent gets sold? Once we know what the manager has to work with, and what ,if any money he have to improve it, then we can appoint someone.
I tend to agree with that. I'm guessing Garde sat down with Brian Little and gave him a report of the current players and the problems he faced. He probably didn't want another season at Villa Park for a whole list of reasons so the club decided to remove him as his staying it didn't serve either party. The new structure that includes bringing in a Head of Football seems designed to relieve the next manager of all the administration at the club beyond the first team. Focus is on promotion and getting the best out of the first team squad.
I've no doubt that even with a board room full of accountants, money will be available for the new manager. It would be pointless not to do so but before we start spending the board will need to know how much is going to be wasted getting rid of the slackers. It's a massive job. Add to that our scouting has to be right up to speed now, which is why PR is probably still in a job. What's very important is that the club continue to highlight the changes that are being made so that any potential manager can see that we have finally turned the page and the Villa job could be a great opportunity rather than a managerial graveyard.
Under those circumstances there are plenty of decent managers that would jump at the chance to manage us. I'd imagine the salary will still be attractive with a nice big bonus thrown in for promotion. Right now to appoint a new manager with such a limited choice makes no sense. Let's get our house in order between now and the end of the season and take it from there.
That's well put and I agree. It's the process that is now in place that encourages me. That there needs to be immense work done behind the scenes and it needs to done quickly and convincingly to get the manager they want. I hope the recent chat Bevington had with Round for example, with Round citing that the plan we have in place is encouraging is a sign of what might be to come. While I am not totally against Pearson, but for me ideally we will we hire someone that can not only do the job, but as critically a manager that instils immediate optimism in a very dejected and demoralized supporter base. I don't think, given the comments recently of the key board members, something they are oblivious to.
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The new structure that includes bringing in a Head of Football seems designed to relieve the next manager of all the administration at the club beyond the first team
Excellent, so we can look forward to plenty more confused types railing against transfer committees and shouting that scouting and buying players should be in the control of the manager and nobody else.
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The new structure that includes bringing in a Head of Football seems designed to relieve the next manager of all the administration at the club beyond the first team
Excellent, so we can look forward to plenty more confused types railing against transfer committees and shouting that scouting and buying players should be in the control of the manager and nobody else.
Indeed. I heard one pundit today saying just that. Tactics has more friends than I imagined.
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He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL.
I don't think that was Hughton. We might be able to tempt the bloke who did get Norwich to 11th that season though if we asked nicely...
Look what happened the last time we appointed a successful Norwich manager. However, if he was still here I suspect that we wouldn't be in quite this mess.
I fully expect to get slated for saying this, but I railed against Lambert being sacked precisely because I had a strong hunch this would be the result. Have posted several times about the folly of constantly changing mnagers, and better qualified people than me have too - Fergie and Wenger spring to mind most recently. Yes things were bad when he left but that change precipitated worse days to come IMO.
Until we learn that managers need time (especially given our horrendous situation) we will worryingly continue to decline and drop.
That's a valid point but football has changed since Ferguson and Wenger. Nowadays Director's of Football and their ilk have taken a lot of the old school manager's responsibilities to the point where they're probably better described as head coaches. With a narrower width of responsibilities I can see the benefit of changing coaches every so often to freshen things up. The 'storming --> norming --> forming' cycle otherwise starts to work against the manager.
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He managed to get a piss pot club like the Rags into the play-offs but they were so hard up the gave Norwich permission to speak to him. He took them up to 11th in their first season in the PL.
I don't think that was Hughton. We might be able to tempt the bloke who did get Norwich to 11th that season though if we asked nicely...
Look what happened the last time we appointed a successful Norwich manager. However, if he was still here I suspect that we wouldn't be in quite this mess.
I fully expect to get slated for saying this, but I railed against Lambert being sacked precisely because I had a strong hunch this would be the result. Have posted several times about the folly of constantly changing mnagers, and better qualified people than me have too - Fergie and Wenger spring to mind most recently. Yes things were bad when he left but that change precipitated worse days to come IMO.
Until we learn that managers need time (especially given our horrendous situation) we will worryingly continue to decline and drop.
That's a valid point but football has changed since Ferguson and Wenger. Nowadays Director's of Football and their ilk have taken a lot of the old school manager's responsibilities to the point where they're probably better described as head coaches. With a narrower width of responsibilities I can see the benefit of changing coaches every so often to freshen things up. The 'storming --> norming --> forming' cycle otherwise starts to work against the manager.
I think that's fair. Our problem perhaps is that at the same time we have been changing managers, it feels we have been changing the board structure too - the perfect storm.
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The quicker the inevitable is confirmed the quicker we'll get a new manager so while I'd never wish us to lose, the sooner relegation is confirmed, the better.
Get Moyes in and give him a few weeks to observe the multitude of problems he needs to fix so we can make a fast start in the summer.
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The quicker the inevitable is confirmed the quicker we'll get a new manager so while I'd never wish us to lose, the sooner relegation is confirmed, the better.
Get Moyes in and give him a few weeks to observe the multitude of problems he needs to fix so we can make a fast start in the summer.
We need Moyes now. The fans need a lift. The idea of losing every game from now till the season ends is very real, so we need him in now to at least put an end to the humiliation and give us something to smile about for a change.
We surely can't fuck up this appointment, surely?
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I'd rather have him sign up now and start on the day after he season ends. I wouldn't want a new manager associated with this abortion.
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I'd rather have him sign up now and start on the day after he season ends. I wouldn't want a new manager associated with this abortion.
I'd accept him being announced now but not take over till the season ends, no problem. It would still give us a lift, but this this is purgatory. It's soul destroying watching Villa this bad.
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The quicker the inevitable is confirmed the quicker we'll get a new manager so while I'd never wish us to lose, the sooner relegation is confirmed, the better.
Get Moyes in and give him a few weeks to observe the multitude of problems he needs to fix so we can make a fast start in the summer.
We need Moyes now. The fans need a lift. The idea of losing every game from now till the season ends is very real, so we need him in now to at least put an end to the humiliation and give us something to smile about for a change.
We surely can't fuck up this appointment, surely?
Forget whether he could do the job, you're assuming he wants to come. Who will you blame if he bottles it?
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The quicker the inevitable is confirmed the quicker we'll get a new manager so while I'd never wish us to lose, the sooner relegation is confirmed, the better.
Get Moyes in and give him a few weeks to observe the multitude of problems he needs to fix so we can make a fast start in the summer.
We need Moyes now. The fans need a lift. The idea of losing every game from now till the season ends is very real, so we need him in now to at least put an end to the humiliation and give us something to smile about for a change.
We surely can't fuck up this appointment, surely?
Forget whether he could do the job, you're assuming he wants to come. Who will you blame if he bottles it?
I think we're made for each other. We're a big club desperate for an end to our decline and a return to the big-time and he's desperate to rebuild his reputation after the Man Utd episode. It has to happen.
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The quicker the inevitable is confirmed the quicker we'll get a new manager so while I'd never wish us to lose, the sooner relegation is confirmed, the better.
Get Moyes in and give him a few weeks to observe the multitude of problems he needs to fix so we can make a fast start in the summer.
We need Moyes now. The fans need a lift. The idea of losing every game from now till the season ends is very real, so we need him in now to at least put an end to the humiliation and give us something to smile about for a change.
We surely can't fuck up this appointment, surely?
Forget whether he could do the job, you're assuming he wants to come. Who will you blame if he bottles it?
Ultimately the board will need to sell him a vision of the future. He's smart enough to know it isn't about what is happening right now.
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The quicker the inevitable is confirmed the quicker we'll get a new manager so while I'd never wish us to lose, the sooner relegation is confirmed, the better.
Get Moyes in and give him a few weeks to observe the multitude of problems he needs to fix so we can make a fast start in the summer.
We need Moyes now. The fans need a lift. The idea of losing every game from now till the season ends is very real, so we need him in now to at least put an end to the humiliation and give us something to smile about for a change.
We surely can't fuck up this appointment, surely?
Forget whether he could do the job, you're assuming he wants to come. Who will you blame if he bottles it?
Ultimately the board will need to sell him a vision of the future. He's smart enough to know it isn't about what is happening right now.
Maybe he'll wait until the end of the season to see what offers are around. That would be the smart thing to do or is he really that desperate as s_h says?
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With the right backing of the board and this is a big proviso but if you had the full support from the board including investing in the squad then I think it would be a fantastic time to become Villa manager. You could really sweep out the shit and mold the club to how you wanted it. Never let a good crisis go to waste.
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Can't see Moyes coming tbh given a choice. Too much to lose. Not sure if he's the right guy anyway. Think we need someone who hasn't managed any big clubs
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With the right backing of the board and this is a big proviso but if you had the full support from the board including investing in the squad then I think it would be a fantastic time to become Villa manager. You could really sweep out the shit and mold the club to how you wanted it. Never let a good crisis go to waste.
No one will touch most off our players if they had a brain. I think we're stuck with the ******
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I think he will wait now and go for Newcastle if they drop. They have a better side than us and possibly more to spend on getting back up.
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The quicker the inevitable is confirmed the quicker we'll get a new manager so while I'd never wish us to lose, the sooner relegation is confirmed, the better.
Get Moyes in and give him a few weeks to observe the multitude of problems he needs to fix so we can make a fast start in the summer.
We need Moyes now. The fans need a lift. The idea of losing every game from now till the season ends is very real, so we need him in now to at least put an end to the humiliation and give us something to smile about for a change.
We surely can't fuck up this appointment, surely?
Forget whether he could do the job, you're assuming he wants to come. Who will you blame if he bottles it?
Ultimately the board will need to sell him a vision of the future. He's smart enough to know it isn't about what is happening right now.
Maybe he'll wait until the end of the season to see what offers are around. That would be the smart thing to do or is he really that desperate as s_h says?
Well that's it. The question is what offers will Moyes have and will he get better ones than us? My guess would be he wants a domestic job. Hard to think of a PL job that will be open that he'll be considered for. Of the team down there only Swansea have a vacancy and you to think Rodgers is a good bet for that. I can't see anyone else firing their manager. So it will be us or Newcastle realistically.
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They've spent 80 million in two.windows and they're going down. Lulz.
I think they'll have nowt to spend bar what they get from sales.
Moyes is sweet on us I reckon.
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They've spent 80 million in two.windows and they're going down. Lulz.
I think they'll have nowt to spend bar what they get from sales.
Moyes is sweet on us I reckon.
There's the Ashley factor too. What kind of decent human being would choose to work for that arsehole?
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I think he will wait now and go for Newcastle if they drop. They have a better side than us and possibly more to spend on getting back up.
Possibly more to spend.
Or possibly the £25m they blew in January when we decided/were forced into not spending anything was that money to spend.
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They've spent 80 million in two.windows and they're going down. Lulz.
I think they'll have nowt to spend bar what they get from sales.
Moyes is sweet on us I reckon.
That's what I think too. And I think a lot of stuff behind the scenes will be done in consultation with him (his people) or with appointing him in mind so that he can get going immediately.
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Mind you what a choice, eh? The fat girl or the one with a face like a welder's bench?
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They've spent 80 million in two.windows and they're going down. Lulz.
I think they'll have nowt to spend bar what they get from sales.
Moyes is sweet on us I reckon.
There's the Ashley factor too. What kind of decent human being would choose to work for that arsehole?
Yup, as mad houses go, they're in far worse state then us. Only an idiot would go there and that's an opinion shared by their fans.
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Pearson at Newcastle, Moyes to us.
I just don't see it happening until relegation is official - why put that on your CV?
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I have thought similar Matt. Pearson without Walsh et al isn't worth it.
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Mind you what a choice, eh? The fat girl or the one with a face like a welder's bench?
True. Nice description of Pearson and Moyes.
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Think that showed an apetite to stay up though. As did appointing FSW despite that being a flawed decision
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Think that showed an apetite to stay up though. As did appointing FSW despite that being a flawed decision
It doesn't mean that another £25m will magically appear though.
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And also stupidity as it's reported none of their players have relegation clauses, including those signed in Jan. They are going to be more fucked than us when they are relegated.
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The question is what offers will Moyes have and will he get better ones than us? My guess would be he wants a domestic job. Hard to think of a PL job that will be open that he'll be considered for. Of the team down there only Swansea have a vacancy and you to think Rodgers is a good bet for that. I can't see anyone else firing their manager. So it will be us or Newcastle realistically.
Celtic have been seriously flirting with him. As he's never won a thing, he may choose them with the added attraction of European football (at least for one round).
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And also stupidity as it's reported none of their players have relegation clauses, including those signed in Jan. They are going to be more fucked than us when they are relegated.
Does anyone know that all our players have relegation clauses in terms of wage reduction? This is Faulkner/Fox we are talking about who constructed the contracts
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The question is what offers will Moyes have and will he get better ones than us? My guess would be he wants a domestic job. Hard to think of a PL job that will be open that he'll be considered for. Of the team down there only Swansea have a vacancy and you to think Rodgers is a good bet for that. I can't see anyone else firing their manager. So it will be us or Newcastle realistically.
Celtic have been seriously flirting with him. As he's never won a thing, he may choose them with the added attraction of European football (at least for one round).
The Celtic one has been rumoured for a decade or so. I suspect he'd do that as his 'last' job
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The question is what offers will Moyes have and will he get better ones than us? My guess would be he wants a domestic job. Hard to think of a PL job that will be open that he'll be considered for. Of the team down there only Swansea have a vacancy and you to think Rodgers is a good bet for that. I can't see anyone else firing their manager. So it will be us or Newcastle realistically.
Celtic have been seriously flirting with him. As he's never won a thing, he may choose them with the added attraction of European football (at least for one round).
Do good managers go to Scotland? Average managers win the league there every year, but it's not the challenge that the PL is, and that's a massive draw. Getting Villa back up would be a more attractive challenge I'd have thought.
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Can't see Moyes coming tbh given a choice. Too much to lose. Not sure if he's the right guy anyway. Think we need someone who hasn't managed any big clubs
i don't think he'll lose that much. In fact nothing.
I reckon we'll pay top 10 wages (PL) for the next manager and I cannot see any genuine top ten club offering him that.
He could take over at - say - WBA for less money and remain in the PL however there's limited scope to improve such a club - and therefore restore his reputation.
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And also stupidity as it's reported none of their players have relegation clauses, including those signed in Jan. They are going to be more fucked than us when they are relegated.
Does anyone know that all our players have relegation clauses in terms of wage reduction? This is Faulkner/Fox we are talking about who constructed the contracts
This is something I have wondered. I can see Gabby's motivation to fuck off when he is going to be paid a king's ransom no matter what happens to us being next to zero.
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I hope our board want him as much as most of or fans do. We're easy to sell based on ground, facilities, fans and tradition but if the board can dangle a carrot to say he can rebuild with X amount of cash, I'm convinced he'll be up for it.
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They've spent 80 million in two.windows and they're going down. Lulz.
I think they'll have nowt to spend bar what they get from sales.
Moyes is sweet on us I reckon.
That's what I think too. And I think a lot of stuff behind the scenes will be done in consultation with him (his people) or with appointing him in mind so that he can get going immediately.
Appointing him as soon as we go down, with a watching brief until the end of the season would make sense.
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I just can't see that Moyes will come to a Championship club not for one second, he will feel his stock is much higher, will be delighted to be proved wrong though.
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They've spent 80 million in two.windows and they're going down. Lulz.
I think they'll have nowt to spend bar what they get from sales.
Moyes is sweet on us I reckon.
That's what I think too. And I think a lot of stuff behind the scenes will be done in consultation with him (his people) or with appointing him in mind so that he can get going immediately.
Appointing him as soon as we go down, with a watching brief until the end of the season would make sense.
That's my hope
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I just can't see that Moyes will come to a Championship club not for one second, he will feel his stock is much higher, will be delighted to be proved wrong though.
Reports in Spain, where Moyes was yesterday, claim "Moyes will take time before choosing his next destination, as he can't afford to fail three times in such a short span of time."
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I just can't believe that this new regime will just sit there and watch us being shafted in every game until this disgrace of a season ends.
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I just can't believe that this new regime will just sit there and watch us being shafted in every game until this disgrace of a season ends.
What do you want them to do? These players are beyond reach. They've given up. This time last year Leicester were 7 points adrift but they worked hard for themselves and each other. Not these clowns
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in which case we are totally fucked - there isn't a manager in the world that could get a tune out of this lot - most are so bad no one will want to buy them
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in which case we are totally fucked - there isn't a manager in the world that could get a tune out of this lot - most are so bad no one will want to buy them
that's why it needs a total clear-out.
Someone coming in needs to be ready to remove all the wankers, offload those who don't want to stay and bring in the players that will fight for promotion.
Big job foe someone with the balls and the vision to see the opportunity.
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I just can't see that Moyes will come to a Championship club not for one second, he will feel his stock is much higher, will be delighted to be proved wrong though.
Reports in Spain, where Moyes was yesterday, claim "Moyes will take time before choosing his next destination, as he can't afford to fail three times in such a short span of time."
I think there's zero chance of it being Moyes. He's turned us down before when we were in much better shape than now and as you say he cannot afford another failure. It just won't happen.
I'd love Rodgers but suspect it'll be Pearson.
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I just can't see that Moyes will come to a Championship club not for one second, he will feel his stock is much higher, will be delighted to be proved wrong though.
Reports in Spain, where Moyes was yesterday, claim "Moyes will take time before choosing his next destination, as he can't afford to fail three times in such a short span of time."
I think there's zero chance of it being Moyes. He's turned us down before when we were in much better shape than now and as you say he cannot afford another failure. It just won't happen.
He turned us down at the time that his career trajectory was towards Manchester Utd. That's not really the case any more.
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David Moyes is a builder and we've got a fantastic victorian mansion in need of careful restoration.He'll be here don't worry 👍
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David Moyes is a builder and we've got a fantastic victorian mansion in need of careful restoration.He'll be here don't worry 👍
Moyes will be fine hope he brings a carpenter to board the goals up :)
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I just can't see that Moyes will come to a Championship club not for one second, he will feel his stock is much higher, will be delighted to be proved wrong though.
Reports in Spain, where Moyes was yesterday, claim "Moyes will take time before choosing his next destination, as he can't afford to fail three times in such a short span of time."
totally agree
if he comes to us and fails then he is finished at the top level. i want him to come to us but think he will wait and end up at a pl team that finishes around 14th, someone like the bitters
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I just can't see that Moyes will come to a Championship club not for one second, he will feel his stock is much higher, will be delighted to be proved wrong though.
Reports in Spain, where Moyes was yesterday, claim "Moyes will take time before choosing his next destination, as he can't afford to fail three times in such a short span of time."
I think there's zero chance of it being Moyes. He's turned us down before when we were in much better shape than now and as you say he cannot afford another failure. It just won't happen.
He turned us down at the time that his career trajectory was towards Manchester Utd. That's not really the case any more.
That is how I see it. Just like us, Moyes has a reputation to rebuild. Getting us promoted and then operating at the right end of the table would be seen entirely as his achievement as our current stock is so low.
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If not Villa, where do you suspect Moyes will go?
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I just can't see that Moyes will come to a Championship club not for one second, he will feel his stock is much higher, will be delighted to be proved wrong though.
Reports in Spain, where Moyes was yesterday, claim "Moyes will take time before choosing his next destination, as he can't afford to fail three times in such a short span of time."
I think there's zero chance of it being Moyes. He's turned us down before when we were in much better shape than now and as you say he cannot afford another failure. It just won't happen.
He turned us down at the time that his career trajectory was towards Manchester Utd. That's not really the case any more.
That is how I see it. Just like us, Moyes has a reputation to rebuild. Getting us promoted and then operating at the right end of the table would be seen entirely as his achievement as our current stock is so low.
Moyes will only come if he gets the freedom and money to do what he wants. With what we've seen over the past few years I think that'll be a bigger stumbling block than being in the Championship.
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If not Villa, where do you suspect Moyes will go?
bitters. norwich, palace
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it's a two horse race isn't it, Moyes or Pearson
I'm sure one of them will be our manager next season,
of the two I hope it's Moyes
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I just can't see that Moyes will come to a Championship club not for one second, he will feel his stock is much higher, will be delighted to be proved wrong though.
Reports in Spain, where Moyes was yesterday, claim "Moyes will take time before choosing his next destination, as he can't afford to fail three times in such a short span of time."
I think there's zero chance of it being Moyes. He's turned us down before when we were in much better shape than now and as you say he cannot afford another failure. It just won't happen.
He turned us down at the time that his career trajectory was towards Manchester Utd. That's not really the case any more.
That is how I see it. Just like us, Moyes has a reputation to rebuild. Getting us promoted and then operating at the right end of the table would be seen entirely as his achievement as our current stock is so low.
Moyes will only come if he gets the freedom and money to do what he wants. With what we've seen over the past few years I think that'll be a bigger stumbling block than being in the Championship.
Possibly but I suspect that any club that can afford that sort of money and freedom for their manager will maybe set their sights higher than one with his recent record.
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If not Villa, where do you suspect Moyes will go?
Celtic. Rangers were all but promoted yesterday so there should be some competition up there again.
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Forgive my ignorance, but has Pearson ever said that he wants to come?
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Moyes would have nowhere to go at Norwich, Palace or Palace. At Villa ha would have a chance to build something... if from a temporarily diminished position.
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If not Villa, where do you suspect Moyes will go?
Celtic. Rangers were all but promoted yesterday so there should be some competition up there again.
I could see that. Champions League games to feel important and accumulating trophies the rest of the time.
However I think we're a better option than Bitters/Palace as they're established PL clubs now but unlikely to go any higher, Norwich will forever be at risk of relegation. It would be very hard for him to improve them.
Crucially I think we would pay more than any of the other clubs mentioned.
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Moyes interviewed by the ever-excellent Garry Richardson on Sportsweek. No direct questions about his next managerial destination, but rather a general discussion about the short-term nature of appointments these days and how some managers/coaches are in a rush to get back on the merry-go-round. What he did say was that at Everton he was give the chance to fulfil his vision by an understanding owner, that he would choose his next job and that he'd already turned down some approaches.
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I just can't see that Moyes will come to a Championship club not for one second, he will feel his stock is much higher, will be delighted to be proved wrong though.
Reports in Spain, where Moyes was yesterday, claim "Moyes will take time before choosing his next destination, as he can't afford to fail three times in such a short span of time."
I think there's zero chance of it being Moyes. He's turned us down before when we were in much better shape than now and as you say he cannot afford another failure. It just won't happen.
He turned us down at the time that his career trajectory was towards Manchester Utd. That's not really the case any more.
That is how I see it. Just like us, Moyes has a reputation to rebuild. Getting us promoted and then operating at the right end of the table would be seen entirely as his achievement as our current stock is so low.
Moyes will only come if he gets the freedom and money to do what he wants. With what we've seen over the past few years I think that'll be a bigger stumbling block than being in the Championship.
I am with you concrete....unless there has been a serious turn around in the way Lerner is going to operate why will things change? A few board appointments and all of a sudden everything is going to be alright - it isn't there money after all.
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Whilst my first choice would be Moyes, I think they will go for Steve Bruce. A gnarled old geezer who has something of a track record for getting out of the Championship. He will bring his own coaching team with him, which is also something that we really need. He has done ok in the Premiership, albeit it with inferior clubs. Monk has no real pedigree, neither does Pearson as far as the Premiership is concerned, given that the club are likely to want promotion and then some stability. Same as Dyche I guess, despite their potential. Grayson has potential too but I think will be ruled out as we need someone to hit the ground running without, dare I say it, risk.
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The longer we do not appoint a new manager, the more I reckon it will be Southgate.
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Moyes will be interested if for no other reason than he runs the risk of being out of the game for too long for clubs to want to go to him.
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If not Villa, where do you suspect Moyes will go?
bitters. norwich, palace
Even a Championship Villa would be a more appealing destination than those 3.
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Curbishley had prem experience and promotion experience. Might be an outside bet
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Bruce isn't the worst shout however dirty it makes me feel. His defences tend to be okay and for the budget he works with he gets decent enough players. I think we didn't spend on Jan because we'll go for it in the summer.
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I think the club know they need a 'name' manager. It's a statement of their own intent if nothing else.
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I think the club know they need a 'name' manager. It's a statement of their own intent if nothing else.
Yep, and it has to be Moyes in my opinion.
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I think the club know they need a 'name' manager. It's a statement of their own intent if nothing else.
Yep, and it has to be Moyes in my opinion.
Also and I keep banging on about this Newcastle and Sunderland will most probably be down there with us with bigger average crowds better squads and big name managers in Rafa and big Sam
It's not going to be easy if that's the case
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I think the club know they need a 'name' manager. It's a statement of their own intent if nothing else.
Yep, and it has to be Moyes in my opinion.
Also and I keep banging on about this Newcastle and Sunderland will most probably be down there with us with bigger average crowds better squads and big name managers in Rafa and big Sam
It's not going to be easy if that's the case
I'd be amazed if he hadn't got a relegation release clause written into his contract
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Newcastle and Sunderland will have similar problems to us: overpaid squad players, a drop in revenue and everyone wanting to beat them. It was also suggested by George Caulkin on Twitter the other day that relegation would be financially disastrous for Newcastle, who have all but bet the farm on staying up. I'd say a canny manager at the Villa wouldn't be that worried.
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Indeed. No chance Rafa's staying if he doesn't keep them up. Didn't seem too disappointed in post-match interview yesterday, don't think he's arsed.
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I think the club know they need a 'name' manager. It's a statement of their own intent if nothing else.
Yep, and it has to be Moyes in my opinion.
Also and I keep banging on about this Newcastle and Sunderland will most probably be down there with us with bigger average crowds better squads and big name managers in Rafa and big Sam
It's not going to be easy if that's the case
I'd be amazed if he hadn't got a relegation release clause written into his contract
Apparently he has.
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Curbishley had prem experience and promotion experience. Might be an outside bet
I hope that is as tongue-in-cheek as I suspect it is.
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Allardyce will get Sunderland back up, and Neil at Norwich will be top 6 if they drop. Newcastle will either have to sell a lot of players OR they will have the best squad on paper in the league by a mile. I think to finish top 3-4 in that division next season is going to be a mission. Whoever comes in has a huge job on their hands to get an 11 on the pitch that can fight for it, but also a squad in shape to cope with 46 league games plus 4-5 cup games next season.
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Curbishley had prem experience and promotion experience. Might be an outside bet
I hope that is as tongue-in-cheek as I suspect it is.
Ex Villa. Proven record for what we want to do....
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Benitez confirmed the clause.
From the Beeb back in March
Newcastle manager Rafael Benitez has confirmed that he has a break clause in his contract should they be relegated from the Premier League this season.
The Magpies are second-bottom, one point from safety with 10 games left.
When asked about the clause, the Spaniard, 55, said: "Some people can see this as special, but it's normal.
"I am trying to stay in the Premier League and if I have a compromise for the future, it's because I am convinced that we will do well. I want to stay."
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Curbishley had prem experience and promotion experience. Might be an outside bet
I hope that is as tongue-in-cheek as I suspect it is.
Ex Villa. Proven record for what we want to do....
He's out purely for the reason he can't say Birmingham.
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Allardyce will get Sunderland back up, and Neil at Norwich will be top 6 if they drop. Newcastle will either have to sell a lot of players OR they will have the best squad on paper in the league by a mile. I think to finish top 3-4 in that division next season is going to be a mission. Whoever comes in has a huge job on their hands to get an 11 on the pitch that can fight for it, but also a squad in shape to cope with 46 league games plus 4-5 cup games next season.
4/5 cup games? I'm liking your optimism there James
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2 league cup (don't we go in before the 3rd round) and an FA Cup game if drawn against minnows we will likely get through. So on balance, we would play about 4.
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Curbishley had prem experience and promotion experience. Might be an outside bet
I hope that is as tongue-in-cheek as I suspect it is.
Ex Villa. Proven record for what we want to do....
He's out purely for the reason he can't say Birmingham.
He'd get lost on the way to Villa Park because his GPS wouldn't know where Birminem was.
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Curbishley had prem experience and promotion experience. Might be an outside bet
I hope that is as tongue-in-cheek as I suspect it is.
Ex Villa. Proven record for what we want to do....
He's out purely for the reason he can't say Birmingham.
He'd get lost on the way to Villa Park because his GPS wouldn't know where Birminem was.
Surely it's in our destiny to have him manage us. He could even sign Benni McCarthy as his first signing.
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He won't come because if he does he knows I will want my fish back.
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Curbishley had prem experience and promotion experience. Might be an outside bet
I hope that is as tongue-in-cheek as I suspect it is.
Ex Villa. Proven record for what we want to do....
He's out purely for the reason he can't say Birmingham.
He'd get lost on the way to Villa Park because his GPS wouldn't know where Birminem was.
Surely it's in our destiny to have him manage us. He could even sign Benni McCarthy as his first signing.
And make Carlton Palmer his assistant
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Curbishley had prem experience and promotion experience. Might be an outside bet
I hope that is as tongue-in-cheek as I suspect it is.
Ex Villa. Proven record for what we want to do....
He's out purely for the reason he can't say Birmingham.
He'd get lost on the way to Villa Park because his GPS wouldn't know where Birminem was.
Surely it's in our destiny to have him manage us. He could even sign Benni McCarthy as his first signing.
And make Carlton Palmer his assistant
The Dream Team.
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To be fair to Curbishley, we have made far worse appointments in recent years (still would rather we didn't appoint him now though).
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To be fair to Curbishley, we have made far worse appointments in recent years (still would rather we didn't appoint him now though).
Maybe a few years ago, but he's been out of the game for a long time now.
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If not Villa, where do you suspect Moyes will go?
bitters. norwich, palace
everton
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Curbishley had prem experience and promotion experience. Might be an outside bet
I hope that is as tongue-in-cheek as I suspect it is.
Ex Villa. Proven record for what we want to do....
He's out purely for the reason he can't say Birmingham.
And because he played for them.
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The longer we do not appoint a new manager, the more I reckon it will be Southgate.
I hope not. The Bernstein and Bevington links with the FA are hopefully just that, as former employees, not some crusade to appoint more English managers. The task should be to find somebody, regardless of nationality, that can bring us straight back up. We need a winner, somebody that plays attacking football. I'm not looking for the new Messiah, just a manager that can build a hard working team, get us up and put us in a position to build on. For me, it's a short term managerial project. Southgate may yet prove to be a good club manager but right now he doesn't have the profile we're looking for.
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To be fair to Curbishley, we have made far worse appointments in recent years (still would rather we didn't appoint him now though).
Maybe a few years ago, but he's been out of the game for a long time now.
Yep and that's the point he's been out too long for his achievements to be relevant.
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Curbishley had prem experience and promotion experience. Might be an outside bet
I hope that is as tongue-in-cheek as I suspect it is.
Ex Villa. Proven record for what we want to do....
He's out purely for the reason he can't say Birmingham.
He'd get lost on the way to Villa Park because his GPS wouldn't know where Birminem was.
Surely it's in our destiny to have him manage us. He could even sign Benni McCarthy as his first signing.
And make Carlton Palmer his assistant
The Dream Team.
...'please don't come...'
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I think the club know they need a 'name' manager. It's a statement of their own intent if nothing else.
Yep, and it has to be Moyes in my opinion.
Also and I keep banging on about this Newcastle and Sunderland will most probably be down there with us with bigger average crowds better squads and big name managers in Rafa and big Sam
It's not going to be easy if that's the case
I'd be amazed if he hadn't got a relegation release clause written into his contract
he has
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everton
Was thinking the same today. Heard some Everton fan moaning about Martinez losing the dressing room, and thought it would be no surprise to see Moyes go back there.
I see we are being linked with McCarthy again. Decent enough bloke, but would be a really dull appointment and not say much about our ambitions.
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Why would we employ a manager who has been sacked by both Wolves and Sunderland during the last 10 years?
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I wish we'd hurry and employ Moyes. It's gone awfully quiet. Just a glimmer of hope isn't much to ask for, please.
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Why would we employ a manager who has been sacked by both Wolves and Sunderland during the last 10 years?
Don't want Mccarthy. It has to be Pearson - he sort the slackers out.
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Why would we employ a manager who has been sacked by both Wolves and Sunderland during the last 10 years?
Don't want Mccarthy. It has to be Pearson - he sort the slackers out.
Sort out the slackers? I'm hoping we'll have a complete new squad next season. God help us if any of these piss takers are still at the club bar one or two
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Why would we employ a manager who has been sacked by both Wolves and Sunderland during the last 10 years?
Why would we employ McLeish, Houllier, Garde? Because the owner is an idiot. Hopefully we will get lucky this time.
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Why would we employ a manager who has been sacked by both Wolves and Sunderland during the last 10 years?
Why would we employ McLeish, Houllier, Garde? Because the owner is an idiot. Hopefully we will get lucky this time.
I thought Houllier and Garde were good choices. I also thought Lambert was. Maybe I'm an idiot too. 😉
Hopefully this new board will have a better idea than me and put forward a good proposal to Randy.
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Why would we employ a manager who has been sacked by both Wolves and Sunderland during the last 10 years?
Don't want Mccarthy. It has to be Pearson - he sort the slackers out.
Sort out the slackers? I'm hoping we'll have a complete new squad next season. God help us if any of these piss takers are still at the club bar one or two
That would mean finding buyers for the current bunch. That won't be easy.
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Why would we employ a manager who has been sacked by both Wolves and Sunderland during the last 10 years?
Why would we employ McLeish, Houllier, Garde? Because the owner is an idiot. Hopefully we will get lucky this time.
I thought Houllier and Garde were good choices. I also thought Lambert was. Maybe I'm an idiot too. 😉
Hopefully this new board will have a better idea than me and put forward a good proposal to Randy.
I was guilty with Lambert too.
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Surely Moyes and some much needed investment is a no brainer though. We need to go all out and get him. Like I say I've been wrong on the last few managers, statistically I must get one hunch right?
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Everybody thought Lambert was a great choice, because he was at the time. The entire away end sang his name when we played at Norwich in McLeish's last game.
There are plenty of pointy sticks to beat the board with, but I always find it staggering how many fans use the appointment of Lambert as one of them. He was universally well regarded and the vast majority of the fan base was happy to see him come in.
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Why would we employ a manager who has been sacked by both Wolves and Sunderland during the last 10 years?
Why would we employ McLeish, Houllier, Garde? Because the owner is an idiot. Hopefully we will get lucky this time.
I thought Houllier and Garde were good choices. I also thought Lambert was. Maybe I'm an idiot too. 😉
Hopefully this new board will have a better idea than me and put forward a good proposal to Randy.
I was guilty with Lambert too.
Didn't want Houllier, had no real feeling either way on Garde, but guilty on Lambert.
If you go back far enough, I was guilty of wanting DOL, too!
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For some reason or reasons Lambert changed out of all recognition when he came to us. What he was at Colchester and Norwich made him perfect for us. What he became was a wreck of his former self. Garde was a good choice, the problem was not him it was Aston Villa.
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Why would we employ a manager who has been sacked by both Wolves and Sunderland during the last 10 years?
Don't want Mccarthy. It has to be Pearson - he sort the slackers out.
Sort out the slackers? I'm hoping we'll have a complete new squad next season. God help us if any of these piss takers are still at the club bar one or two
THIS I agree with, heres the but.
these premadoner posers passing as footballers at Aston Villa , really have fuck all sell on value exception being Ayew so aren't we stiuck with about x 10 nzogbias ??
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At what point do you accept that the manager isnt the problem. They were all relatively successful before they took the Villa job. The problems are the owner and a squad of players who are either too lazy, too rich to care or simply incompetent. It doesnt matter who takes over the hot seat. Until the two problems are resolved (or at least one of them) any incoming manager will just be a temporary sticking plaster who will be discarded within 3 years to be replaced by another temporary fix.
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Thought Houllier was a gamble that was worth it. Lambert I really wanted. Garde I thought was a decent idea based on what was said of his methods.
On that basis Pearson I really don't want. So might be fine. Although Garde and Houllier could not get their coaching team sorted straight away or their first choice so that might have something to do with it.
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One of the worries I have with Moyes is he's a carbon copy of Lambert in terms of football philosophy and demeaner,
I think he could end up being Lambert mk11 with a great fanfare when appointed by the majority of supporters all excited about the prospect only to end up with the same boring repetitive same players picked every week dying a death football
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At what point do you accept that the manager isnt the problem. They were all relatively successful before they took the Villa job. The problems are the owner and a squad of players who are either too lazy, too rich to care or simply incompetent. It doesnt matter who takes over the hot seat. Until the two problems are resolved (or at least one of them) any incoming manager will just be a temporary sticking plaster who will be discarded within 3 years to be replaced by another temporary fix.
ok you have a point.
but to attract a manager who actually knows the ins and out of the English game ie Moyes, Bruce and the like surely that would indicate a forward move because managers wouldn't get tied in to deals where they got done over like Remi.
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Thought Houllier was a gamble that was worth it. Lambert I really wanted. Garde I thought was a decent idea based on what was said of his methods.
On that basis Pearson I really don't want. So might be fine. Although Garde and Houllier could not get their coaching team sorted straight away or their first choice so that might have something to do with it.
That's what worries me about Pearson. His coaching team are currently with a Champions League outfit (makes we want to puke saying that about Leicester), and are not likely to come. So I guess there is uncertainty about him getting a new team around him that works. That and the fact that he is a bit of a tool. Seems well regarded by the ex pros though.
Not sure about Moyes either, though he makes sense on paper.
I think I would like us to go for Grayson, who has a good record of promotions, and is doing well at PNE.
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One of the worries I have with Moyes is he's a carbon copy of Lambert in terms of football philosophy and demeaner,
I think he could end up being Lambert mk11 with a great fanfare when appointed by the majority of supporters all excited about the prospect only to end up with the same boring repetitive same players picked every week dying a death football
Sorry , but your Joking Right??
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One of the worries I have with Moyes is he's a carbon copy of Lambert in terms of football philosophy and demeaner,
I think he could end up being Lambert mk11 with a great fanfare when appointed by the majority of supporters all excited about the prospect only to end up with the same boring repetitive same players picked every week dying a death football
Maybe but he's also less likely to change. Lambert arrived as one type of man and manager, left a different one and a broken man, looking like a destitute tramp. I think there's more chance Moyes getting to his happy place faster and staying there. In 3 or 4 years we can complain about never breaking the top 4, pissing about in mid table, half heartedly playing in the Europa, just falling short in the domestic cups.
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Like it or not, the new Manager has to get something out of the majority of the existing players because we can't replace 20 odd players or even half that amount. That's why Garde had to go because he couldn't. May seem an impossible task now but any of you who remember the last time we went down will recall how rotten we were then, and yet a lot of them returned the following season and with some new faces did well. Just takes the right man...
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I wonder if Pearson is the man, whether the board will also have some input into his choosing the coaching team.
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That's what I don't get about Lambert - even with a reduced budget, it must have been around what he had to work with in lower divisions, yet he seemed to have largely lost that ability at Villa. And it's not as if the budget buys themselves were responsible for it - his Norwich side looked much better than practically anything he managed at Villa. That's what convinces me the job was far too big for him. We all thought we were getting something much better at the time, for the budget we were working with.
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One of the worries I have with Moyes is he's a carbon copy of Lambert in terms of football philosophy and demeaner,
I think he could end up being Lambert mk11 with a great fanfare when appointed by the majority of supporters all excited about the prospect only to end up with the same boring repetitive same players picked every week dying a death football
Sorry , but your Joking Right??
no that's how I see it, Moyes is a very limited manager just like Lambert
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You can be limited as a manager but be at a completely different level to someone else. Moyes' ceiling is much higher than Lambert's ever will be
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One of the worries I have with Moyes is he's a carbon copy of Lambert in terms of football philosophy and demeaner,
I think he could end up being Lambert mk11 with a great fanfare when appointed by the majority of supporters all excited about the prospect only to end up with the same boring repetitive same players picked every week dying a death football
Sorry , but your Joking Right??
no that's how I see it, Moyes is a very limited manager just like Lambert
Although Lambert has got a team promotion to the premier league , thats something moyes has never done
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Moyes has a track record of consistently getting a side into the top six over a decade on a limited budget and secured CL qualification.
What is Lambert's track record?
People slate his style of football too, but from about 2009 onwards, that Everton team became far more easy on the eye.
If Moyes is remotely interested, this is one occasion when there really should be just a shortlist of one.
But he would want guarantees and autonomy that a manager of his standing is probably right to expect. So we'll no doubt opt for a more malleable candidate.
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I honestly don't think there's a realistic candidate Villa could choose who wouldn't disappoint compared to Moyes.
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Moyes has a track record of consistently getting a side into the top six over a decade on a limited budget and secured CL qualification.
What is Lambert's track record?
People slate his style of football too, but from about 2009 onwards, that Everton team became far more easy on the eye.
If Moyes is remotely interested, this is one occasion when there really should be just a shortlist of one.
But he would want guarantees and autonomy that a manager of his standing is probably right to expect. So we'll no doubt opt for a more malleable candidate.
I am sure he thinks highly of himself too which is why he will want to manage in the premier league next season
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I wonder if Pearson is the man, whether the board will also have some input into his choosing the coaching team.
Kofi Annan and Aung San Suu Kyi ?
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Thought Houllier was a gamble that was worth it. Lambert I really wanted. Garde I thought was a decent idea based on what was said of his methods.
On that basis Pearson I really don't want. So might be fine. Although Garde and Houllier could not get their coaching team sorted straight away or their first choice so that might have something to do with it.
That's what worries me about Pearson. His coaching team are currently with a Champions League outfit (makes we want to puke saying that about Leicester), and are not likely to come. So I guess there is uncertainty about him getting a new team around him that works. That and the fact that he is a bit of a tool. Seems well regarded by the ex pros though.
Not sure about Moyes either, though he makes sense on paper.
I think I would like us to go for Grayson, who has a good record of promotions, and is doing well at PNE.
Thinking about, we now have Sir Brian on the board, who signed Grayson for both Leicester and Villa. Have they still remained friends?
Might be worth a £10 at the bookies.
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If we have the opportunity to get David Moyes to become our manager then I think it would be a fantastic effort on behalf of the board.
If they manage to "sell" the club to him with all thats occurred then they deserve real credit.
Its going to be a huge challenge for somebody. I hope he wants to take it on.
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Moyes has a track record of consistently getting a side into the top six over a decade on a limited budget and secured CL qualification.
What is Lambert's track record?
People slate his style of football too, but from about 2009 onwards, that Everton team became far more easy on the eye.
If Moyes is remotely interested, this is one occasion when there really should be just a shortlist of one.
But he would want guarantees and autonomy that a manager of his standing is probably right to expect. So we'll no doubt opt for a more malleable candidate.
I am sure he thinks highly of himself too which is why he will want to manage in the premier league next season
You say that - and that was my initial thoughts when his name was mentioned a few weeks back.
But that recent blurb in the more respected papers looked like it was his people letting it be known he might be keen.
There could be a whole host of reasons for that; a good agent will try to deliver as many options as possible to his client and then leave it up to him. So this could be purely agent driven, with a view to sussing out what we are prepared to offer. Or with a view to using that as leverage against other interested clubs.
Or Moyes might want so many things in his favour (total control on transfers, four year contract on upper PL wages, with no clause related to cheap pay-offs and zero compensation if a top 10 PL side comes in for him) as to make the whole thing unpalatable to the board.
But if he has lost his senses to the point that he buys into the idea of rebuilding the club from the groundfloor up (because that is what it will take) let's not phuck about on this one.
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The longer we do not appoint a new manager, the more I reckon it will be Southgate.
I think it will be Southgate too.
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Moyes has a track record of consistently getting a side into the top six over a decade on a limited budget and secured CL qualification.
What is Lambert's track record?
People slate his style of football too, but from about 2009 onwards, that Everton team became far more easy on the eye.
If Moyes is remotely interested, this is one occasion when there really should be just a shortlist of one.
But he would want guarantees and autonomy that a manager of his standing is probably right to expect. So we'll no doubt opt for a more malleable candidate.
I am sure he thinks highly of himself too which is why he will want to manage in the premier league next season
You say that - and that was my initial thoughts when his name was mentioned a few weeks back.
But that recent blurb in the more respected papers looked like it was his people letting it be known he might be keen.
There could be a whole host of reasons for that; a good agent will try to deliver as many options as possible to his client and then leave it up to him. So this could be purely agent driven, with a view to sussing out what we are prepared to offer. Or with a view to using that as leverage against other interested clubs.
Or Moyes might want so many things in his favour (total control on transfers, four year contract on upper PL wages, with no clause related to cheap pay-offs and zero compensation if a top 10 PL side comes in for him) as to make the whole thing unpalatable to the board.
But if he has lost his senses to the point that he buys into the idea of rebuilding the club from the groundfloor up (because that is what it will take) let's not phuck about on this one.
All he said in the papers is he wouldnt rule out managing Villa in the Championship . In other words as a last resort if nothing better came up between now and June
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Everybody thought Lambert was a great choice, because he was at the time. The entire away end sang his name when we played at Norwich in McLeish's last game.
There are plenty of pointy sticks to beat the board with, but I always find it staggering how many fans use the appointment of Lambert as one of them. He was universally well regarded and the vast majority of the fan base was happy to see him come in.
I wanted Lambert too. The problem wasn't his hiring, it was the fact they didn't sack him on the approx 5 occasions previous to when they actually did and threw in a new contract. He was a disaster for us and it was allowed to continue for way, way too long.
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Moyes has a track record of consistently getting a side into the top six over a decade on a limited budget and secured CL qualification.
What is Lambert's track record?
People slate his style of football too, but from about 2009 onwards, that Everton team became far more easy on the eye.
If Moyes is remotely interested, this is one occasion when there really should be just a shortlist of one.
But he would want guarantees and autonomy that a manager of his standing is probably right to expect. So we'll no doubt opt for a more malleable candidate.
I am sure he thinks highly of himself too which is why he will want to manage in the premier league next season
You say that - and that was my initial thoughts when his name was mentioned a few weeks back.
But that recent blurb in the more respected papers looked like it was his people letting it be known he might be keen.
There could be a whole host of reasons for that; a good agent will try to deliver as many options as possible to his client and then leave it up to him. So this could be purely agent driven, with a view to sussing out what we are prepared to offer. Or with a view to using that as leverage against other interested clubs.
Or Moyes might want so many things in his favour (total control on transfers, four year contract on upper PL wages, with no clause related to cheap pay-offs and zero compensation if a top 10 PL side comes in for him) as to make the whole thing unpalatable to the board.
But if he has lost his senses to the point that he buys into the idea of rebuilding the club from the groundfloor up (because that is what it will take) let's not phuck about on this one.
Good points.
We all hope that he sees the history and magnitude of our great club but we all know its no overnight solution and is this mess really going to appeal to a manager like Moyes.
I keep saying its a great opportunity for someone to reach the heights of some of our great managers but is there an incentive there for managers like Moyes who can work in the top league.
Not sure but lets hope.
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I wonder if Pearson is the man, whether the board will also have some input into his choosing the coaching team.
If it comes to it and it is Pearson, I hope the coaches, whoever they will be, can actually coach. Since MON left we have been giving away goals in the most ridiculous of ways. In the last 3 years other than relying on Benteke we have no idea how to put the ball in the net.
As a team for so long we look void of any coaching and tactical nous. Concentration levels too. I don't think there has ever been a team I have witnessed who lack concentration near the end of the first 45 and start of the next.
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I can't help but feel moyes is wishful thinking on our part, sadly.
If it came down to McCarthy or Pearson I'd have the latter, on the basis that he's unexciting but without the added yesterday's man flavour. But it would be a bit like choosing between being kicked in the balls or punched in the face.
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The longer we do not appoint a new manager, the more I reckon it will be Southgate.
I think it will be Southgate too.
Frying pan-fire springs to mind. No pedigree, no long term management experience in either the Championship or the Premiership. A huge no thank you from me. File under Monk and Neville.
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One of the worries I have with Moyes is he's a carbon copy of Lambert in terms of football philosophy and demeaner,
I think he could end up being Lambert mk11 with a great fanfare when appointed by the majority of supporters all excited about the prospect only to end up with the same boring repetitive same players picked every week dying a death football
Sorry , but your Joking Right??
no that's how I see it, Moyes is a very limited manager just like Lambert
How I see him too.
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One of the worries I have with Moyes is he's a carbon copy of Lambert in terms of football philosophy and demeaner,
I think he could end up being Lambert mk11 with a great fanfare when appointed by the majority of supporters all excited about the prospect only to end up with the same boring repetitive same players picked every week dying a death football
Sorry , but your Joking Right??
no that's how I see it, Moyes is a very limited manager just like Lambert
How I see him too.
and me
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He'd be a success for me. He built a strong lower league team at Preston and how about that rock solid home form he had at Everton?
Solid home form. I'll take that please.
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One of the worries I have with Moyes is he's a carbon copy of Lambert in terms of football philosophy and demeaner,
I think he could end up being Lambert mk11 with a great fanfare when appointed by the majority of supporters all excited about the prospect only to end up with the same boring repetitive same players picked every week dying a death football
Sorry , but your Joking Right??
no that's how I see it, Moyes is a very limited manager just like Lambert
How I see him too.
and me
That's pretty much what Cascarino said in The Times on Thursday. I don't normally agree with that twat but this time I did.
The only thing that is in Moyes favour is that I think he might be better at rebuilding the club from the bottom up. I don't get that impression about many of the other candidates.
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He'd be a success for me. He built a strong lower league team at Preston and how about that rock solid home form he had at Everton?
Solid home form. I'll take that please.
Everton have declined after him. One step forward and two steps back. Why? Because they're no longer well organised. What they've acquired in playing talent they've sacrificed in solidity. Occasionally Everton are very nice to watch under Martinez now, when it clicks. In other times they're absolutely dreadful defensively.
What Moyes would give us, is some organisation and a game plan. We might not always be pretty but he'll know how to get the best out of most of his players and he'll be able to identify the system and key players to make us a solid outfit.
I do think Pearson will come in with a lot of fire and gusto and probably kick a few arses to begin with, but in the long run he's too unbalanced. He'll alienate the press, he'll have other clubs wanting to take more pelters from us and he'll be sacked within 18 months. Moyes at least has potential to be long term and begin the process of building something. Likewise we may attract players to the club, even at Champ level, who might otherwise turn their nose up at our "project." If Moyes is here it shows a bit of ambition. I think he suits us and we'll suit him.
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I can see the post match thread now after we fail to win at home to Rotherham and norrowly miss out on a play off place again.
"Why the fuck did he wait until the 85th minute to change it and then why did he take off our most attacking player for Russell Osman."
"Do we really need to play 3 centre backs and 2 defensive midfielders at home to Rotherham"
"4-5-1again at home"
"Only 2 shots on goal again"
Yes can't wait for Moyes reign of misery.
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I agree Tom. Good argument for Moyes. Defo my first choice.
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I can see the post match thread now after we fail to win at home to Rotherham and norrowly miss out on a play off place again.
"Why the fuck did he wait until the 85th minute to change it and then why did he take off our most attacking player for Russell Osman."
"Do we really need to play 3 centre backs and 2 defensive midfielders at home to Rotherham"
"4-5-1again at home"
"Only 2 shots on goal again"
Yes can't wait for Moyes reign of misery.
Can I ask, who do you want?
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We need promotion next season but the development must go beyond that. We must avoid becoming a yo-yo club like WBA or not be another Newcastle. They came back up at the first attempt but have been in relegation battles with us since.
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I can see the post match thread now after we fail to win at home to Rotherham and norrowly miss out on a play off place again.
"Why the fuck did he wait until the 85th minute to change it and then why did he take off our most attacking player for Russell Osman."
"Do we really need to play 3 centre backs and 2 defensive midfielders at home to Rotherham"
"4-5-1again at home"
"Only 2 shots on goal again"
Yes can't wait for Moyes reign of misery.
I don't recall Moyes being quite that dour. His Everton side weren't half bad to watch. Not particularly exciting, but effective and positively Barca-esque in comparison to the stuff we've played in recent seasons. He did have his share of useful flair players. The key thing is results though. He'll be able to put points on the board.
He's the only candidate on our list that I'd be remotely pleased with. Rodgers is a non-starter. Pearson would have me bricking it. Could be good, could be a disaster.
Bruce would be pants.
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Aitor Karanka would be my choice.
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We're not really in a position to be precious about playing an attractive style of play. It's nice if we get promoted the Swansea or Bournemouth way but the absolute priority is getting back up at the first attempt. If that's with boring 1-0 wins, that's the way it's got to be. It would still be better than what we've had for the last 6 years.
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I think Moyes has an excellent record. I'm surprised at the comparisons with Lambert, I can't see it myself, even if I squint.
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I think Moyes has an excellent record. I'm surprised at the comparisons with Lambert, I can't see it myself, even if I squint.
I've squinted so hard trying to see that, that all I can see now is blood.
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I think Moyes has an excellent record. I'm surprised at the comparisons with Lambert, I can't see it myself, even if I squint.
you can start with the love in both got on here.
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I think Moyes has an excellent record. I'm surprised at the comparisons with Lambert, I can't see it myself, even if I squint.
you can start with the love in both got on here.
How about purely on their records as a manager? There's no comparison. Even if focus and unfocus my eyes in between squinting.
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I think Moyes has an excellent record. I'm surprised at the comparisons with Lambert, I can't see it myself, even if I squint.
you can start with the love in both got on here.
How about purely on their records as a manager? There's no comparison. Even if focus and unfocus my eyes in between squinting.
Their footballing styles are completely different. Lambert was pretty gung-ho at Norwich. What they lacked in defensive organisation they made up for in all out attack.
At his best for us, albeit for 3 months in the end of his first season, it was all about pace and counter attacking.
Moyes tended to build from the back. He then managed to get players doing their jobs very effectively in attack in key positions such as Baines, Cahill, Osman and Fellaini and found balance.
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Defensive first football.
Keep playing the same players regardless of form.
Rigid system.
But Lambert has a better record in division 2.
Failed last 2 appointments unless you think Lambert is a success at Blackburn.
I get why everyone wants Moyes,we are scared and desperate.
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Defensive first football.
Keep playing the same players regardless of form.
Rigid system.
But Lambert has a better record in division 2.
Failed last 2 appointments unless you think Lambert is a success at Blackburn.
I get why everyone wants Moyes,we are scared and desperate.
Is there anything, anything at all, or anyone, anywhere, that you like?
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Defensive first football.
Keep playing the same players regardless of form.
Rigid system.
But Lambert has a better record in division 2.
Failed last 2 appointments unless you think Lambert is a success at Blackburn.
I get why everyone wants Moyes,we are scared and desperate.
Is there anything, anything at all, or anyone, anywhere, that you like?
yes lots of things,can you be more specific?
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Defensive first football.
Keep playing the same players regardless of form.
Rigid system.
But Lambert has a better record in division 2.
Failed last 2 appointments unless you think Lambert is a success at Blackburn.
I get why everyone wants Moyes,we are scared and desperate.
Had Moyes stayed in the championship he'd have had a better record at that level, but the fact is he went up, and stayed in the Premier League and turned an Everton side that rarely spent big on fees and wages into a top 5 side. There's no comparison. Lambert did okay in one season in the top flight with Norwich, which got him his job here.
Appointing him is the least desperate option we could go for out of the candidates we're looking at, which as the club has said will be British. He's the only candidate we could actually call an ambitious appointment.
Frankly too we really need to sort our defence out first and foremost. Sort that and have a striker who will score at that level, and you're all but gauranteed to be playoffs at least at that level. Gestede will score goals at champ level. He's also a player who would flourish under Moyes who got the best out of the likes of Cahill and Fellaini.
He was always on a hiding to nothing going to Utd and then to Spain.
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Aitor Karanka would be my choice.
why?
with the budget he was given this season, Boro should have walked the second division
he nearly walked a few weeks ago when the pressure was getting to him
try a half empty Villa park next season, still forced to play some players despised by the remaining supporters
its going to need a manager with immense character to get us up next season
Allardyce/Sunderland, Benitez/Newcastle, Sheff Wed and Derby have deep pockets too
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Defensive first football.
Keep playing the same players regardless of form.
Rigid system.
But Lambert has a better record in division 2.
Failed last 2 appointments unless you think Lambert is a success at Blackburn.
I get why everyone wants Moyes,we are scared and desperate.
Is there anything, anything at all, or anyone, anywhere, that you like?
yes lots of things,can you be more specific?
Boobs? You must like boobs.
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Defensive first football.
Keep playing the same players regardless of form.
Rigid system.
But Lambert has a better record in division 2.
Failed last 2 appointments unless you think Lambert is a success at Blackburn.
I get why everyone wants Moyes,we are scared and desperate.
Is there anything, anything at all, or anyone, anywhere, that you like?
yes lots of things,can you be more specific?
Boobs? You must like boobs.
And you Supertom :)
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Defensive first football.
Keep playing the same players regardless of form.
Rigid system.
But Lambert has a better record in division 2.
Failed last 2 appointments unless you think Lambert is a success at Blackburn.
I get why everyone wants Moyes,we are scared and desperate.
Is there anything, anything at all, or anyone, anywhere, that you like?
yes lots of things,can you be more specific?
I just wondered.
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Moyes has drifted to 3/1 with Pearson as favourite and Bruce second with Skybet
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It is interesting this idea of defensive and dour football. Apart from 1 season where they averaged jut over a goal a game at home, in nearly every season he was at Everton they were over 1.5 goals on average at home each week, with his last 4-5 seasons edging up over 1.7. In 6 of those seasons they would have been safe from home points alone pretty much, with a further 2 over 30 points in that time. Defensively they were exceptional too.
For all the worry about his style of play, and formations, and being rigid, if he came here it would be a massive coup, because he is a very, very good manager and could be very stabilising in the long term. Any manager that can come in and get us over 30 points a season at home to start with gets my vote.
Going back to the shots think Chicago raised, between 06 and 12, his team averaged over 10 shots at goal per game at home scoring around 33 a season, only dipping below 30 once in that time. By contrast, we only nudged over 30 once in that time. Basically, compared to what we have seen in the last even 10 years, Moyes has done better, with at times less resources, and scored more goals while conceding less doing it. He is 53 in a couple of weeks. If we don't get him this time, we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
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It is interesting this idea of defensive and dour football. Apart from 1 season where they averaged jut over a goal a game at home, in nearly every season he was at Everton they were over 1.5 goals on average at home each week, with his last 4-5 seasons edging up over 1.7. In 6 of those seasons they would have been safe from home points alone pretty much, with a further 2 over 30 points in that time. Defensively they were exceptional too.
For all the worry about his style of play, and formations, and being rigid, if he came here it would be a massive coup, because he is a very, very good manager and could be very stabilising in the long term. Any manager that can come in and get us over 30 points a season at home to start with gets my vote.
It was more Moyes record v other top 6 teams, indeed that stat he never won at Arsenal, Chelsea, Man. United and Liverpool in all his seasons at Everton and it even continued at Man. United.
Still all that is redundant to me, it's not a debate over whether Moyes can manage at the top level or not anymore, it's the second division where he'd comfortably be the best manager operating at.
To me if he wants it you give it to him without question.
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I think Moyes is more MON; great motivational manager, clueless tactically. Those worrying about us dropping through the divisions should rest easy as Moyes won't let it happen. We'll be as safe as houses in the Championship.
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Except the fickle finger of fate it turning away from Moyes. DW says Moyes' best attribute is that he is not Nigel Pearson. For me his supreme asset is that he is not Gareth Southgate.
Mathematics has never been my strong suit but I have always been intrigued by the fact that two minuses equal a plus. With that in mind perhaps Pearson's massively offensive, coarse and belligerent nature would neutralise the massively offensive, coarse and belligerent nature of the dressing room. The hardcore trouble makers had a field day with thoughtful, intelligent, dignified Remi Garde. Pearson is as irrational as they are.
The neutralising Pearson factor would not apply if the incoming manager had a clean dressing room but the probability is that contractual and financial constraints will have plenty of bad apples still in the barrel.
I would like Moyes but I don't think he is coming.
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With 1 possibly 2 of the North East clubs going with us lets get Moyes while they are still scrapping for survival, if either or both of the Toon or Sunderland are relegated im pretty sure their managers will move on and they will make their move for Moyes, we need to act quickly or he will slip away.
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My question is more - "if not Moyes, who?"
Pearson: why has he sat out for the last 10 months? Why has he not been picked up by one of the clubs that offloaded a manager this season?
McCarthy: his Sunderland team were relegated with even fewer points than we have this season! His record in the Championship has been okayish, but his record in the PL is dismal.
Southgate: really?! He's got a great Villa pedigree but his managerial record is very weak.
Bruce: he's probably a candidate but - like McCarthy - his record in the PL is pretty meh, and he would not be popular wth fans.
The options beyond Moyes are pretty thin. My shortlist would include Sean Dyche and Mark Pembertion but the former has stated he would probably not move and the latter would be a risk.
It has to be Moyes.
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Moyes for me too.
I'm not unduly worried that he hasn't signed. I don't think any manager will want to come in until we are relegated and probably until the season is complete.
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My question is more - "if not Moyes, who?"
Pearson: why has he sat out for the last 10 months? Why has he not been picked up by one of the clubs that offloaded a manager this season?
McCarthy: his Sunderland team were relegated with even fewer points than we have this season! His record in the Championship has been okayish, but his record in the PL is dismal.
Southgate: really?! He's got a great Villa pedigree but his managerial record is very weak.
Bruce: he's probably a candidate but - like McCarthy - his record in the PL is pretty meh, and he would not be popular wth fans.
The options beyond Moyes are pretty thin. My shortlist would include Sean Dyche and Mark Pembertion but the former has stated he would probably not move and the latter would be a risk.
It has to be Moyes.
Which only shows how poor generally British manager/coaches are perceived. It is a very small pool of talent we find ourselves fishing in. One point however is that Pemberton would be a real risk as he is now coach at Rhea County- however Warburton at Rangers may be a consideration! It's probably an age thing Mister E.
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I would prefer a manager who is currently looking for a job - Moyes
I don't think with the mess we are in, to have someone who is currently at a club, who when we appoint them says "see you in 4 weeks I am off on my holidays"
We can't afford to waste a day of the break at the end of the season!
The thought of Bruce or McCarthy being our next manager is horrific, and if they appoint either I won't be renewing my season ticket
Bruce spent a fortune to try and keep hull up and failed, mad mick's football is dire
The only name not mentioned so far is Strachan, it will be interesting to see who we get!
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Moyes for me too.
I'm not unduly worried that he hasn't signed. I don't think any manager will want to come in until we are relegated and probably until the season is complete.
I said the same on Saturday. Garde's only been gone under a week and besides if was Moyes or Pearson, the thought of managing that rabble of players at the moment would put me off.
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Except the fickle finger of fate it turning away from Moyes. DW says Moyes' best attribute is that he is not Nigel Pearson. For me his supreme asset is that he is not Gareth Southgate.
Mathematics has never been my strong suit but I have always been intrigued by the fact that two minuses equal a plus. With that in mind perhaps Pearson's massively offensive, coarse and belligerent nature would neutralise the massively offensive, coarse and belligerent nature of the dressing room. The hardcore trouble makers had a field day with thoughtful, intelligent, dignified Remi Garde. Pearson is as irrational as they are.
The neutralising Pearson factor would not apply if the incoming manager had a clean dressing room but the probability is that contractual and financial constraints will have plenty of bad apples still in the barrel.
I would like Moyes but I don't think he is coming.
Brian, I read all your comments with care and agree with almost every word. You must be a very wise man to agree with me so much!
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Not particularly wise Bernie. Just very ancient. I am like the guy they pay to stay away from Las Vegas because he has memorised all 50,000 clips on the horse racing betting machines.
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My question is more - "if not Moyes, who?"
Pearson: why has he sat out for the last 10 months? Why has he not been picked up by one of the clubs that offloaded a manager this season?
McCarthy: his Sunderland team were relegated with even fewer points than we have this season! His record in the Championship has been okayish, but his record in the PL is dismal.
Southgate: really?! He's got a great Villa pedigree but his managerial record is very weak.
Bruce: he's probably a candidate but - like McCarthy - his record in the PL is pretty meh, and he would not be popular wth fans.
The options beyond Moyes are pretty thin. My shortlist would include Sean Dyche and Mark Pembertion but the former has stated he would probably not move and the latter would be a risk.
It has to be Moyes.
Which only shows how poor generally British manager/coaches are perceived. It is a very small pool of talent we find ourselves fishing in. One point however is that Pemberton would be a real risk as he is now coach at Rhea County- however Warburton at Rangers may be a consideration! It's probably an age thing Mister E.
Ha, ha!! Touche, mon brave!
I did indeed mean the venerable Mr Warburton.
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Wrong post
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With 1 possibly 2 of the North East clubs going with us lets get Moyes while they are still scrapping for survival, if either or both of the Toon or Sunderland are relegated im pretty sure their managers will move on and they will make their move for Moyes, we need to act quickly or he will slip away.
Rafa, more than likely but fat Sam may stay as he managed West Ham in the Ch-ship.
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Which only shows how poor generally British manager/coaches are perceived. It is a very small pool of talent we find ourselves fishing in.
Hopefully we are fishing in a bigger pool and not limiting our search to British managers.
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I'm starting to think that Moyes doesn't want it. He's turned us down, what is it? twice? You can't keep going back to the same person and being turned down. Maybe he's waiting for a different job, doesn't fancy the step back, or just doesn't fancy Villa. maybe warburton at Rangers should be thrown into the mix? Hopefully the new board will see the end of managerial appointments based on trying to be clever and basing it on previous results.
A name I also should be thrown into the mix, and a manager who would be interested but dropping a division would make it a hard sell, is Hughes. He wants to manage a big club again and the longer we wait to appoint a manager the more its probable that we're targetting someone already in situ elsewhere.
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Which only shows how poor generally British manager/coaches are perceived. It is a very small pool of talent we find ourselves fishing in.
Hopefully we are fishing in a bigger pool and not limiting our search to British managers.
Bernstein has already said he wants an English manager with Premier and Championship experience so the pool is even more limited
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Which only shows how poor generally British manager/coaches are perceived. It is a very small pool of talent we find ourselves fishing in.
Hopefully we are fishing in a bigger pool and not limiting our search to British managers.
I think we will be barred from fishing in that pool after our previous attempts
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I wonder if the English remark from Mr Bernstein was a slip of the tongue. Otherwise the pool is very, very small. I am hoping that he meant British!
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Which only shows how poor generally British manager/coaches are perceived. It is a very small pool of talent we find ourselves fishing in.
Hopefully we are fishing in a bigger pool and not limiting our search to British managers.
Bernstein has already said he wants an English manager with Premier and Championship experience so the pool is even more limited
If he has specifically said English, then I think it'll be either Pearson or Southgate. I would hope/expect that whoever it is is already appointed , and work has begun behind the scenes to purge this lot.
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I could see Southgate having a role overseeing the development of the youth system but wouldn't go near him as a manager in his own right. Perhaps as an assistant manager with someone more experienced in the main job.
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I think it will be Pearson given the hints from Bernstein.
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I hope he can get Phillips in on the coaching team if it is him. Someone like him teaching our forwards would be great.
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I think it will be Pearson given the hints from Bernstein.
Me too I get the impression they will want someone as soon as we are down, I suspect he's just in the wings waiting
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I'd want Moyes but if he didn't want the job would anyone take Fat Sam if Sunderland went down?
He seems a better choice than Pearson who appears to be a psychopath and most of the other names McCarthy, Bruce, McLaren etc are pretty uninspiring...
Not advocating his appointment but merely asking the question!
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Can't stand the guy but better than Pearson, whom I despise
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I'd want Moyes but if he didn't want the job would anyone take Fat Sam if Sunderland went down?
He seems a better choice than Pearson who appears to be a psychopath and most of the other names McCarthy, Bruce, McLaren etc are pretty uninspiring...
Not advocating his appointment but merely asking the question!
I'd imagine he would stay at Sunderland and bring them back up like he did with West Ham.
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I'd want Moyes but if he didn't want the job would anyone take Fat Sam if Sunderland went down?
He seems a better choice than Pearson who appears to be a psychopath and most of the other names McCarthy, Bruce, McLaren etc are pretty uninspiring...
Not advocating his appointment but merely asking the question!
Would be the best appointment we could make other than Moyes.
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I think he's being found out a bit this time at Sunderland. He was starting to struggle at West Ham too.
Happy Harry has prem and championship experience and will happily bankrupt the club. And he's English!
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I think he's being found out a bit this time at Sunderland. He was starting to struggle at West Ham too.
Happy Harry has prem and championship experience and will happily bankrupt the club. And he's English!
Got West Ham promoted then finished 13th, 10th, 12th. How is that starting to struggle?
Also Sunderland were being written off after 8 games this season as absolute garbage, everyone said they were gone, yet if they win their game in hand they are a point off safety. I think he's doing OK tbf, not great but kept them competitive.
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Maybe. But then the league had been very tight last few seasons. I might be tainted by knowing a west ham fan too well who hated him with a passion.
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I think we discount people like Allardyce. the club have put together a 'Football board' in order to pool their collective football knowledge. If that resulted in a Manager like Allardyce being appointed, i think even Randy might start questioning whether that board was fit for purpose!
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Allardyce would get us up (and probably keep us up the season after) but the problem starts with the style of football. He plays the worst football I think I've ever seen since I started watching football in the 70s. It's unbearable to watch.
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Allardyce would get us up (and probably keep us up the season after) but the problem starts with the style of football. He plays the worst football I think I've ever seen since I started watching football in the 70s. It's unbearable to watch.
Like we can afford to be that picky. If he got us back up then I would have him
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Allardyce would get us up (and probably keep us up the season after) but the problem starts with the style of football. He plays the worst football I think I've ever seen since I started watching football in the 70s. It's unbearable to watch.
Like we can afford to be that picky. If he got us back up then I would have him
He'll more than likely keep Sunderland up anyway so it won't even be a possibility.
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The position we're in I'd settle for stability first, then perhaps a push for promotion in year 2. Do not underestimate the amount of shit that needs addressing behind the scenes; we are in an awful state. I'm therefore prepared to compromise finesse for hard work and application, meaning if it's Pearson/Allardyce then so be it.
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Pulis is worse than Allardyce - the Albion display against us at their place has to be the worst home display from any home team I have ever seen. It was worst than anti football.
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I think we discount people like Allardyce. the club have put together a 'Football board' in order to pool their collective football knowledge. If that resulted in a Manager like Allardyce being appointed, i think even Randy might start questioning whether that board was fit for purpose!
Discount people who have been there and done it, in terms of promotion and keeping teams up with ease? I'd rather that than try a fancy appointment, we just tried that with Garde and look where that got us.
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I think we discount people like Allardyce. the club have put together a 'Football board' in order to pool their collective football knowledge. If that resulted in a Manager like Allardyce being appointed, i think even Randy might start questioning whether that board was fit for purpose!
Discount people who have been there and done it, in terms of promotion and keeping teams up with ease? I'd rather that than try a fancy appointment, we just tried that with Garde and look where that got us.
'Fancy'. Interesting.
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I know we're all desperate for the 16/17 season to be a one-off, but I'd honestly rather miss out on promotion playing nice football than bully our way there with 1-0 wins and whatever the Championship equivalent of Kevin Davies is these days.
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It's a myth that the only way to come up from the Championship is basically through expensive pubteam-style football. Swansea, Southampton, Bournemouth, they all came up and looked a lot less unstable in the division than did the mass of useless boofers who charge in then charge out of the top flight every year.
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In the line of work my son met Gianluca Vialli in Cannes this morning. He asked him if he was interested in the Villa job. "Too late" was the reply with heavy implication that the deal is already done.
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You are spot on Monty. Teams that can play a bit do much better than the ones who rely on blood guts and thunder. We need someone to build a side that is sustainable.
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It's going to be Pearson, isn't it?
The era of the manager being able to bully players into getting a response is long gone. So as much as I like the thought of Bacuna having that stupid shit-eating grin wiped of his face with a haymaker or two, whatever short-term cathartic benefits that brings will soon dissipate.
Pearson being Pearson, I'm not sure he'd lay one on the likes of Gabby and Bacuna anyway.
It will be Westwood or some sickly youth from the U18s.
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You are spot on Monty. Teams that can play a bit do much better than the ones who rely on blood guts and thunder. We need someone to build a side that is sustainable.
It just seems to work better long-term, and that's what we seriously lack and need - a long-term actual no-seriously-this-time strategy. So it didn't work out specifically with Garde? Well, the answer must be to go back to playing stupidball. Only we fired the previous manager because his brand of stupidball turned out to be as bad as the previous incumbent's, whose was also as bad as his predecessor's. Why don't we just stop being stupid?
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It's going to be Pearson, isn't it?
The era of the manager being able to bully players into getting a response is long gone. So as much as I like the thought of Bacuna having that stupid shit-eating grin wiped of his face with a haymaker or two, whatever short-term cathartic benefits that brings will soon dissipate.
Pearson being Pearson, I'm not sure he'd lay one on the likes of Gabby and Bacuna anyway.
It will be Westwood or some sickly youth from the U18s.
Players seemed to love him at Leicester, and no manager can be that feared if their own son sees fit to make a seedy porn flick while on an ambassadorial type trip to the owners homeland.
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It better not be Pearson. He wasn't really tolerable as a package which brought 2 well-respected assistants, on his own then you can kiss goodbye to a lot of ST holders renewing.
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You are spot on Monty. Teams that can play a bit do much better than the ones who rely on blood guts and thunder. We need someone to build a side that is sustainable.
It just seems to work better long-term, and that's what we seriously lack and need - a long-term actual no-seriously-this-time strategy. So it didn't work out specifically with Garde? Well, the answer must be to go back to playing stupidball. Only we fired the previous manager because his brand of stupidball turned out to be as bad as the previous incumbent's, whose was also as bad as his predecessor's. Why don't we just stop being stupid?
I agree. And there has to be a middle ground option (Moyes IMO) that will bring sustainable but also the hard work and discipline seen as missing from the "interesting" fancy options. It is about a coach having a vision of how to play, how to win, and what tools they need to win but not at the expense of spoiling the game every week to the point of boring the opposition to death, or stifling every aspect of flair for the end result. Howe has shown the perfect way to build at Bournemouth. They play good football and are staying up despite Wilson, Gradel and Mears being out all season pretty much.
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Have we actually got any evidence that Pearson bullies his players other than speculation from the press.
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(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1821844.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Sean-Kelly.jpg)
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You are spot on Monty. Teams that can play a bit do much better than the ones who rely on blood guts and thunder. We need someone to build a side that is sustainable.
It just seems to work better long-term, and that's what we seriously lack and need - a long-term actual no-seriously-this-time strategy. So it didn't work out specifically with Garde? Well, the answer must be to go back to playing stupidball. Only we fired the previous manager because his brand of stupidball turned out to be as bad as the previous incumbent's, whose was also as bad as his predecessor's. Why don't we just stop being stupid?
I agree. And there has to be a middle ground option (Moyes IMO) that will bring sustainable but also the hard work and discipline seen as missing from the "interesting" fancy options. It is about a coach having a vision of how to play, how to win, and what tools they need to win but not at the expense of spoiling the game every week to the point of boring the opposition to death, or stifling every aspect of flair for the end result. Howe has shown the perfect way to build at Bournemouth. They play good football and are staying up despite Wilson, Gradel and Mears being out all season pretty much.
Grayson has been doing what you describe at Preston?
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I still think Grayson is a good shout. Said so since Little walked back in the door that he is in with a decent shout.
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Grayson would be too much of a gamble though and we can't really afford to take one.
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I still think Grayson is a good shout. Said so since Little walked back in the door that he is in with a decent shout.
I'm one of 3 who gave him a vote! ;-)
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11711901/Nigel-Pearson-was-a-bully-and-deserved-to-be-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
If ever there were an article to demonstrate why our club should not touch the man.
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Moyes punched one of his Preston players once. Didn't he also have an assault charge hanging over him when he was at Manchester United? I might have dreamt that last one
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It better not be Pearson. He wasn't really tolerable as a package which brought 2 well-respected assistants, on his own then you can kiss goodbye to a lot of ST holders renewing.
I hope the board take this into account. I would have a season ticket no matter what division we're in, but I couldn't bring myself to go and get behind a team managed by Pearson, and I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking that. It would be such a desperate, classless move by the club. It's just so....Leeds. We're supposed to be better than that.
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Moyes did indeed from an altercation in a restaurant I believe but was cleared without further action or something.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/nigel-pearson-in-new-war-of-words-full-transcript-as-leicester-manager-is-asked-if-is-a-bully-and-10216258.html
More of this to look forward to if it is Pearson.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11711901/Nigel-Pearson-was-a-bully-and-deserved-to-be-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
If ever there were an article to demonstrate why our club should not touch the man.
That image of him throttling MacArthur on the ground is just awful.
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Moyes punched one of his Preston players once. Didn't he also have an assault charge hanging over him when he was at Manchester United? I might have dreamt that last one
No, you didn't dream it, he was charged for assault in a wine bar. It was followed by endless puns about Moyes finally learns how to attack.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11711901/Nigel-Pearson-was-a-bully-and-deserved-to-be-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
If ever there were an article to demonstrate why our club should not touch the man.
That image of him throttling MacArthur on the ground is just awful.
Anyone got Brian Little's email address. Maybe Pat Murphy can have a word.
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In the line of work my son met Gianluca Vialli in Cannes this morning. He asked him if he was interested in the Villa job. "Too late" was the reply with heavy implication that the deal is already done.
I assume you are busy emptying your piggy bank down at the bookies, before you tell us the answer to his next question.
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In the line of work my son met Gianluca Vialli in Cannes this morning. He asked him if he was interested in the Villa job. "Too late" was the reply with heavy implication that the deal is already done.
I assume you are busy emptying your piggy bank down at the bookies, before you tell us the answer to his next question.
Maybe it was Vialli that had a new job.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11711901/Nigel-Pearson-was-a-bully-and-deserved-to-be-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
If ever there were an article to demonstrate why our club should not touch the man.
This appears to be the counter argument piece from the Daily Heil. Strange that it comes out on the same day eh?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3089916/Leicester-City-manager-Nigel-Pearson-opens-bully-No-m-really-touchy-feely.html
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Who is this?? What happened?
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If we want our players beaten up, I'm sure there is a cheaper way of doing it than employing Pearson on a multi-million pound contract.
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I think we discount people like Allardyce. the club have put together a 'Football board' in order to pool their collective football knowledge. If that resulted in a Manager like Allardyce being appointed, i think even Randy might start questioning whether that board was fit for purpose!
Discount people who have been there and done it, in terms of promotion and keeping teams up with ease? I'd rather that than try a fancy appointment, we just tried that with Garde and look where that got us.
'Fancy'. Interesting.
Delicious too.
http://www.mrkipling.co.uk/our-range/small-cakes#french-fancies
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In the line of work my son met Gianluca Vialli in Cannes this morning. He asked him if he was interested in the Villa job. "Too late" was the reply with heavy implication that the deal is already done.
I think you're probably right but it could easily have been a "too late" because we're going down.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11711901/Nigel-Pearson-was-a-bully-and-deserved-to-be-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
If ever there were an article to demonstrate why our club should not touch the man.
I don't want him near the job.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11711901/Nigel-Pearson-was-a-bully-and-deserved-to-be-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
If ever there were an article to demonstrate why our club should not touch the man.
I don't want him near the job.
The physical stuff is bad enough, but it is general attitude and the way he comes across in interviews that I really don't like. He fancies himself as some kind of intellectual, when it is quite apparent that his natural persona is more that of a caveman.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11711901/Nigel-Pearson-was-a-bully-and-deserved-to-be-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
If ever there were an article to demonstrate why our club should not touch the man.
I don't want him near the job.
The physical stuff is bad enough, but it is general attitude and the way he comes across in interviews that I really don't like. He fancies himself as some kind of intellectual, when it is quite apparent that his natural persona is more that of a caveman.
It's like I said on another thread the worst thing is an arrogant idiot and that's how he comes across.
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Pearson reminds me of my Physics Teacher at Grammar School, a psychopathic bully. I've read nothing in a variety of articles to dissuade me from that view.
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Which school?
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Pearson reminds me of my Physics Teacher at Grammar School, a psychopathic bully. I've read nothing in a variety of articles to dissuade me from that view.
Did you get a decent grade in physics?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11711901/Nigel-Pearson-was-a-bully-and-deserved-to-be-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
If ever there were an article to demonstrate why our club should not touch the man.
That image of him throttling MacArthur on the ground is just awful.
Anyone got Brian Little's email address. Maybe Pat Murphy can have a word.
We can only hope that the board have carefully looked into everything and spoken to many people before we appoint the next manager. I'd forgotten about a lot of this stuff with Pearson, and it's completely swayed my vote to just about anyone else. I still stand by saying there are things to like about his overall record, but the things not to like are overwhelming.
But I'm hoping it is Moyes if the next manager is British. Anyone after that seems a massive let down.
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Pearson reminds me of my Physics Teacher at Grammar School, a psychopathic bully. I've read nothing in a variety of articles to dissuade me from that view.
Sounds like mine Mr Lonsdale at King Edwards Aston. A wanker of such magnitude you can find him filed alongside the likes of Richards, M and Agbonlahor, G.
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Pearson reminds me of my Physics Teacher at Grammar School, a psychopathic bully. I've read nothing in a variety of articles to dissuade me from that view.
Sounds like mine Mr Lonsdale at King Edwards Aston. A wanker of such magnitude you can find him filed alongside the likes of Richards, M and Agbonlahor, G.
I had a Geography teacher like that, put me off the subject and until I met another Welsh person, the Welsh. He picked on the hardest lad in our year once (nice guy, very laid back), prodding him in the chest attempting to humiliate him in front of the class and hoping to provoke him.
He then made the mistake of turning his back on him. Only time I've seen a teacher flat on their back and a class cheering.
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The biggest wanker teacher I had was Mr Sewell, who taught modern languages at Aldridge. There has yet to be a word invented which could adequately define the loathing I have for that man.
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I had a Geography teacher like that, put me off the subject and until I met another Welsh person, the Welsh. He picked on the hardest lad in our year once (nice guy, very laid back), prodding him in the chest attempting to humiliate him in front of the class and hoping to provoke him.
He then made the mistake of turning his back on him. Only time I've seen a teacher flat on their back and a class cheering.
We had a Geography teacher from Wales and her nickname was "Welsh Mountains." I'll leave the reasons for that to your imagination...
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It's all coming out now. Do we have a psychiatrist online by any chance?
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The biggest wanker teacher I had was Mr Sewell, who taught modern languages at Aldridge. There has yet to be a word invented which could adequately define the loathing I have for that man.
I was at Aldridge school when Mr Fox was history teacher. He was eventually sent down for two years for speedoffeelya!
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It's all coming out now. Do we have a psychiatrist online by any chance?
I've gone for the much cheaper and ultimately more satisfying option of writing a novel about it.
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I had a Geography teacher like that, put me off the subject and until I met another Welsh person, the Welsh. He picked on the hardest lad in our year once (nice guy, very laid back), prodding him in the chest attempting to humiliate him in front of the class and hoping to provoke him.
He then made the mistake of turning his back on him. Only time I've seen a teacher flat on their back and a class cheering.
We had a Geography teacher from Wales and her nickname was "Welsh Mountains." I'll leave the reasons for that to your imagination...
She had such bad dandruff that it looked like she was Snowed on?
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The biggest wanker teacher I had was Mr Sewell, who taught modern languages at Aldridge. There has yet to be a word invented which could adequately define the loathing I have for that man.
I was at Aldridge school when Mr Fox was history teacher. He was eventually sent down for two years for speedoffeelya!
I never heard anything about that. It was either far before my time or a lot later. I was there 92-99.
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I had a Geography teacher like that, put me off the subject and until I met another Welsh person, the Welsh. He picked on the hardest lad in our year once (nice guy, very laid back), prodding him in the chest attempting to humiliate him in front of the class and hoping to provoke him.
He then made the mistake of turning his back on him. Only time I've seen a teacher flat on their back and a class cheering.
We had a Geography teacher from Wales and her nickname was "Welsh Mountains." I'll leave the reasons for that to your imagination...
She had such bad dandruff that it looked like she was Snowed on?
Badoom tish!
She may well have done, but none of us were looking at her hair so I've no idea.
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The biggest wanker teacher I had was Mr Sewell, who taught modern languages at Aldridge. There has yet to be a word invented which could adequately define the loathing I have for that man.
I was at Aldridge school when Mr Fox was history teacher. He was eventually sent down for two years for speedoffeelya!
I never heard anything about that. It was either far before my time or a lot later. I was there 92-99.
Way before-this ol git was of the last grammar intake that left in 81. Win the league, european cup, then off to uni. Thsoe were the days!! I think Mr Jemkins was still there during your time. Good bloke from what i remember.
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I think it's important to make the distinction between really unpalatable, disruptive nutcases like Billy Davies / Paolo Di Canio and Nigel Pearson.
There was an interview with Alex Ferguson in the summer in which he said he told Pearson that he had to be nastier with everyone in order to keep them up. Nastier with the press, players, staff and create a siege mentality.
Since leaving Leicester, he seems to have picked up various monikers; Bully, Victorian tactician, nothing without his coaches etc.
His record is good, and he brought that team of coaches to Leicester, set that structure up and also bought very sensibly in the transfer market. He can also happily work with a sporting director and certainly isn't scared of flair players. This is no backward "stick it in the mixer" manager.
For me it's about perception. As football fans we love to run the rule over managers and 9 times out of 10 if they've been sacked by a club not in the 'Big 4' they're considered failures never to be employed again. Would we be rejecting Mourinho on bully grounds or would we just be saying, he's exactly what we need. [By the way I don't think Pearson is in the league of Mourinho]
I'm not advocating Pearson, but I find some of the wailing a bit far fetched "never set foot inside Villa Park again" etc. With the mess of the squad we have and the fact we'll be playing in the Championship next year, we should be convincing Pearson we're the right club for him not the other way round.
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I appreciate that point about Pearson, but maybe he would have been the better option over Garde because a siege mentality would have helped back in November. It's of no use now, though, and hopefully if we get to clear the decks in summer it'll be a positive mentality that gets us moving forward.
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But I'm hoping it is Moyes if the next manager is British. Anyone after that seems a massive let down.
There's such little choice, it really is quite depressing. Moyes may be a respected name in the game, it will read well in the press and judging by the reaction on here most will be delighted but I'm really not a fan. It's all well and good saying we must have a British manager but when you look at the quality around it doesn't make sense. Just because Garde never worked out we suddenly close the doors to the rest of the world. There's managers like Frank de Boer out there that you'd hope could be convinced to take on the major job we so desperately require.
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I appreciate that point about Pearson, but maybe he would have been the better option over Garde because a siege mentality would have helped back in November. It's of no use now, though, and hopefully if we get to clear the decks in summer it'll be a positive mentality that gets us moving forward.
Totally agree. Some of the current squad are going to be there next season and after the battering from all quarters this season will require almost therapy to get them confident again. That does not strike me as Pearson's forte. It going to be so tough for whoever comes in to get the right balance.
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Pearson reminds me of my Physics Teacher at Grammar School, a psychopathic bully. I've read nothing in a variety of articles to dissuade me from that view.
Sounds like mine Mr Lonsdale at King Edwards Aston. A wanker of such magnitude you can find him filed alongside the likes of Richards, M and Agbonlahor, G.
He must have been after my time, now H T was a hard man
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So new manager ITK is confined to news about the Welsh teacher with mountains? This is mysterious like twin peaks!
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But I'm hoping it is Moyes if the next manager is British. Anyone after that seems a massive let down.
There's such little choice, it really is quite depressing. Moyes may be a respected name in the game, it will read well in the press and judging by the reaction on here most will be delighted but I'm really not a fan. It's all well and good saying we must have a British manager but when you look at the quality around it doesn't make sense. Just because Garde never worked out we suddenly close the doors to the rest of the world. There's managers like Frank de Boer out there that you'd hope could be convinced to take on the major job we so desperately require.
Had we somehow managed to stay up the likes of De Boer might have been an option. I imagine the pool of managers willing to drop to English footballs second tier isn't massive. Not saying there isn't someone out there but right now above all else we need to bring some stability back to the club. The board will want to make a sensible decision as opposed to one with any level of risk tied to it. It might not be a sexy choice but for right here and now, a measured one.
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But I'm hoping it is Moyes if the next manager is British. Anyone after that seems a massive let down.
There's such little choice, it really is quite depressing. Moyes may be a respected name in the game, it will read well in the press and judging by the reaction on here most will be delighted but I'm really not a fan. It's all well and good saying we must have a British manager but when you look at the quality around it doesn't make sense. Just because Garde never worked out we suddenly close the doors to the rest of the world. There's managers like Frank de Boer out there that you'd hope could be convinced to take on the major job we so desperately require.
Had we somehow managed to stay up the likes of De Boer might have been an option. I imagine the pool of managers willing to drop to English footballs second tier isn't massive. Not saying there isn't someone out there but right now above all else we need to bring some stability back to the club. The board will want to make a sensible decision as opposed to one with any level of risk tied to it. It might not be a sexy choice but for right here and now, a measured one.
Whoever we bring in will be a risk, I just hope that automatic promotion next season is the unique objective. We really can't afford to be pissing about in the Championship for a couple of seasons. I completely agree on "right here and now" solution but it would be rather nice if we could actually build some consistency in footballing terms rather than jumping from pillar to post with each new appointment.
Reading Brian's comment earlier, if we have already made the decision I expect we'll hear about it very soon for unofficial sources. Obviously, as others have mentioned, no manager wants a relegation on his CV, so we'll have to wait a week or two more. We're facing the most expensive summer in our history, I just hope that our board have persuaded Randy Lerner that he'll need to invest if he ever wants to see any return on his investment.
Another point that hopefully we'll be able to compare over the coming months is how Newcastle approach relegation and their managerial replacement. Two large, messed up clubs with similar problems. I'm hoping we for once are actually more 'prepared'.
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Maybe it was a slip of the tongue but Bernstein definitely said "English". I've a feeling he meant British though because we've had tremendous success with them in recent years.
The position we're in we should be delighted if Moyes wants to join us, chance for him to start again, whoever took over from Ferguson was on to a loser and his spell at Man United shouldn't be held against him, Van Gaal has struggled there and he's got a pretty impressive record. He may have struggled in Spain but at least he wasn't afraid to give it a go, if the alternative is Pearson we should give Moyes anything he wants.
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Moyes deserves a pass for his time at Man U because it's hardly been a piece of piss for LVG despite his vast experience and spending the GDP sufficient to support a number of nations on this planet, curing world hunger in the process.
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a lot of the names being linked are people who may well get us up but have dodgy premier league records meaning that if we were to employ them, we would most likely have to start again if we get promoted
Moyes doesn't fill me with any great excitement but, at least if it is him, we could justifiably expect him to be able to consolidate us back in the top flight following promotion, always assuming that he is given the tools to work with
I think its fair to say that none of the names linked are all that inspiring
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Reading between the lines of my son's text to me that it is already sorted, the nugget of possible truth is that Remi Garde and Gianluca Vialli front up mainland Europe television football programmes. They certainly know each other so perhaps they have spoken to each other in the past week. Is it possible Remi said he wanted out after Liverpool but agreed to stay until Moyes/Pearson/Potatohead/Mad Mick/FatSam/Big Nose/Dyche on a Byche/Howesyerfather/Roy Rodgers has signed. Who knows? Certainly not I but based on my lad having lunch with the ex Sporting Director of AC Milan last week and coffee with Vialli today, I gave him an unbreakable fatherly order. If you come into contact with Berlusconi tell him to buy us, pronto.
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In the line of work my son met Gianluca Vialli in Cannes this morning. He asked him if he was interested in the Villa job. "Too late" was the reply with heavy implication that the deal is already done.
Why didn't he ask him who? Brian, you're such a tease!! Full story please!! Ha ha.
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I always try to look at what the manager has done before, and what type of football he has got his team to play, and the players he has sold and bought.
how on earth anyone would want fuckin Mcarthy at the Villa wants there head lookin at ( I know no votes but WTF) Same for Mclaren Curbs Southgate, Neville Dyche and Rodger. From that list only Moyes will do. Possible Warburton but cannot see him leave Rangers.
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Lucas would not do that. He is ultra professional. Vialli is a respected and valued asset of the TV company. If Gianluca had wanted to tell him he would have done, always assuming he had anything to tell. Besides, our exchanged texts are 5% him telling me stuff and 95% me telling him stuff like how loud I booed Bacuna and how many times did Westwood point and did Lyden break anybody's leg yet.
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It's got to be Pearson, and I guarantee, save this post, frame it or whatever, this time next year he'll have us promoted and he'll be lauded on here and all this utter crap about him being slightly unhinged/bully/not very good will all be forgotten.
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Agree
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A bullying headmaster type is exactly what we need now
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It's got to be Pearson, and I guarantee, save this post, frame it or whatever, this time next year he'll have us promoted and he'll be lauded on here and all this utter crap about him being slightly unhinged/bully/not very good will all be forgotten.
So, why has Pearson not been hired already this season, if he is so good at turning around recalcitrant squads?
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By that same logic why hasn't David Moyes?
It's got to be Pearson, and I guarantee, save this post, frame it or whatever, this time next year he'll have us promoted and he'll be lauded on here and all this utter crap about him being slightly unhinged/bully/not very good will all be forgotten.
So, why has Pearson not been hired already this season, if he is so good at turning around recalcitrant squads?
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It's got to be Pearson, and I guarantee, save this post, frame it or whatever, this time next year he'll have us promoted and he'll be lauded on here and all this utter crap about him being slightly unhinged/bully/not very good will all be forgotten.
So, why has Pearson not been hired already this season, if he is so good at turning around recalcitrant squads?
Because those squads weren't relegated?
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By that same logic why hasn't David Moyes?
It's got to be Pearson, and I guarantee, save this post, frame it or whatever, this time next year he'll have us promoted and he'll be lauded on here and all this utter crap about him being slightly unhinged/bully/not very good will all be forgotten.
So, why has Pearson not been hired already this season, if he is so good at turning around recalcitrant squads?
Mainly 'cos Moyes has only recently been offloaded by R S in Spain.
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You're all in cloud cuckoo land if you think Moyes will come and tarnish his name with this utter rabble. Time we starts to roll our sleeves up and fight and I believe Pearson would instill some of the bollocks we've missed for donkeys years
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It's got to be Pearson, and I guarantee, save this post, frame it or whatever, this time next year he'll have us promoted and he'll be lauded on here and all this utter crap about him being slightly unhinged/bully/not very good will all be forgotten.
So, why has Pearson not been hired already this season, if he is so good at turning around recalcitrant squads?
Because those squads weren't relegated?
?? - which squads? No squads have been relegated yet.
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Yeah - in November.
By that same logic why hasn't David Moyes?
It's got to be Pearson, and I guarantee, save this post, frame it or whatever, this time next year he'll have us promoted and he'll be lauded on here and all this utter crap about him being slightly unhinged/bully/not very good will all be forgotten.
So, why has Pearson not been hired already this season, if he is so good at turning around recalcitrant squads?
Mainly 'cos Moyes has only recently been offloaded by R S in Spain.
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It's got to be Pearson ....
Maybe the club has already agreed to bring him, hence the appointment of the ex PR / Comms man from the FA (Adrian Bevington): someone to cover Pearson's arse in front of the media.
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Fine by me, I don't care what image he portrays in the media. I don't give two shits if we win the league with 102 points next year
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Yeah - in old fashioned
Blimey, you're right.
Hmmm.... Okay!
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Fine by me, I don't care what image he portrays in the media. I don't give two shits if we win the league with 102 points next year
you may not care but the club will.
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It's got to be Pearson, and I guarantee, save this post, frame it or whatever, this time next year he'll have us promoted and he'll be lauded on here and all this utter crap about him being slightly unhinged/bully/not very good will all be forgotten.
So, why has Pearson not been hired already this season, if he is so good at turning around recalcitrant squads?
Because those squads weren't relegated?
?? - which squads? No squads have been relegated yet.
We all but have been though hence we're looking at the likes of Pearson, Bruce and McCarthy we're not going to be a Premier League team anymore that is now our stock just like it will be Newcastles options when they go down and Rafa goes
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You're all in cloud cuckoo land if you think Moyes will come and tarnish his name with this utter rabble. Time we starts to roll our sleeves up and fight and I believe Pearson would instill some of the bollocks we've missed for donkeys years
Cloud cuckoo land? Oh please. Opinions, opinions, opinions, they all differ. Accept it.
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It's got to be Pearson ....
Maybe the club has already agreed to bring him, hence the appointment of the ex PR / Comms man from the FA (Adrian Bevington): someone to cover Pearson's arse in front of the media.
Wasn't Pearson involved with the FA at some point in the past? Good chance he knows Bevington if that was the case.
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The two most comfortable wins at Villa Park in the last 2 years were against Pearson's Leicester. Both times they put up very little fight against very poor Villa teams. Let's not confuse personal aggression with a team that's got a lot of fight.
If we end up with the same players next season, we're in trouble no matter who the manager is. Let's get a manager that can build something that will last for years, rather than one that will shout at players that hopefully won't be here in a couple of months.
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You're all in cloud cuckoo land if you think Moyes will come and tarnish his name with this utter rabble. Time we starts to roll our sleeves up and fight and I believe Pearson would instill some of the bollocks we've missed for donkeys years
Moyes' reputation has already been tarnished with his last 2 clubs, Villa could be a way of rebuilding it.
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I'm sorry but Pearson is talked about as some sort of genius behind Leicester, but with pretty much the same squad that are top of the league now they were marooned at the bottom for most of last season. Yes they had a great run at the end, but that doesn't mean the first three quarters of the season should be ignored.
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Fantastic effort in keeping them up last year but given how good they've been this year and how poor they were last year, one might argue that Pearson held Leicester back. I don't want him. He won't have the coaching staff, he has a poor reputation and I am aware that he is very unpopular with other manager's. I know we are shit, but surely we can do better than this type of appointment?
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Pearson is an okay manager, but a total wanker. I don't want that bullying twat ever employed by Aston Villa. I'm sure there are loads of okay managers out there that aren't total wankers.
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Moyes didn't want to come when we were good (post MON) and partially salvageable in October when Garde got the job, what makes everyone think he'll jump at it now when we have a truly dreadful squad and a spot in the championship? No chance. I respect all opinions but it simply will not happen. It's between Pearson or Bruce, the former having a solid championship record so whether you like it or not, it's happening. Like I say, I am adamant this time next year we'll be looking forward to promotion and no one will even remember this (except me when I rub your noses in it)
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Saunders wasn't very popular with his players or the media either. The fans like(d) him though.
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If he called Guzan an ostrich, throttled Gabby on the touch line and told N'Zogbia to fuck off and die, he'd probably get a statue put up in his honour.
Do you know what, fuck it. Being nice hasn't got us fucking anywhere, Pearson it is.
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Moyes didn't want to come when we were good (post MON) and partially salvageable in October when Garde got the job, what makes everyone think he'll jump at it now when we have a truly dreadful squad and a spot in the championship? No chance. I respect all opinions but it simply will not happen. It's between Pearson or Bruce, the former having a solid championship record so whether you like it or not, it's happening. Like I say, I am adamant this time next year we'll be looking forward to promotion and no one will even remember this (except me when I rub your noses in it)
Given your post count and arrogance you are coming across as a prick. Please understand that I am not calling you a prick though. If you're right, I for one will gladly accept that I am wrong. However, the second part of this venture is about sustainability when we get back up. If that happens. Pearson does not have any kind of pedigree in the Premiership, which is part of the requirement. To appoint Pearson, one might argue, in a sensible, no need to mention cuckoo's or mental health challenges, that this is a short sighted appointment. In my ever so humble opinion of course. I hope and pray to be wrong.
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We'll have less of that thank you. Either debate like adults or find somewhere else to do it.
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Which only shows how poor generally British manager/coaches are perceived. It is a very small pool of talent we find ourselves fishing in.
Hopefully we are fishing in a bigger pool and not limiting our search to British managers.
Bernstein has already said he wants an English manager with Premier and Championship experience so the pool is even more limited
Has he? I have not seen that quote. If so it is a very worrying sign and the first stupid thing he has said since joining us. Hopefully he has not said that and its a bit of press editorialising.
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Moyes didn't want to come when we were good (post MON) and partially salvageable in October when Garde got the job, what makes everyone think he'll jump at it now when we have a truly dreadful squad and a spot in the championship? No chance. I respect all opinions but it simply will not happen. It's between Pearson or Bruce, the former having a solid championship record so whether you like it or not, it's happening. Like I say, I am adamant this time next year we'll be looking forward to promotion and no one will even remember this (except me when I rub your noses in it)
Nose, on a wind up
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Not sure what my post count has to do with anything? It's like some kind of cult on here at times. Id rather you didn't insinuate I was a 'prick' thank you. I'm trying to add some realism to this rather atrocious situation that David Moyes won't be touching with a 30ft pole.
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Nah - someone previously banned. Posting as if he knows people and posters and where they stand on points. Definitely not a newby. Like Newby.
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Which only shows how poor generally British manager/coaches are perceived. It is a very small pool of talent we find ourselves fishing in.
Hopefully we are fishing in a bigger pool and not limiting our search to British managers.
Bernstein has already said he wants an English manager with Premier and Championship experience so the pool is even more limited
Has he? I have not seen that quote. If so it is a very worrying sign and the first stupid thing he has said since joining us. Hopefully he has not said that and its a bit of press editorialising.
No, he did say it ciggies. On the side of the pitch during the prematch stuff on BT. Probably a slip of the tongue. I thought he was game though for being interviewed after BT showed fans moaning about the running of the club.
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Which only shows how poor generally British manager/coaches are perceived. It is a very small pool of talent we find ourselves fishing in.
Hopefully we are fishing in a bigger pool and not limiting our search to British managers.
Bernstein has already said he wants an English manager with Premier and Championship experience so the pool is even more limited
Has he? I have not seen that quote. If so it is a very worrying sign and the first stupid thing he has said since joining us. Hopefully he has not said that and its a bit of press editorialising.
He was interviewed on the pitch before the game on BT sport
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I'm not at all, I joined a few years ago and never bothered posting again. The main reason being I've seen the way more experienced posters insinuate you're blues or Albion when you post something that most people disagree with.
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No idea if I want Pearson but two spells at leicester with win rates of 51% and 47% isn't too bad and I actually thought even when they were bottom they played some good football and couldn't believe they were bottom.
so If he did come , in the championship , we would be ok with him .
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Shame you haven't posted more you seem so circumspect and level headed. It's your humility that really stands out. Anyway . I tend to agree with you.
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Big Ron speaks very highly of him
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Which only shows how poor generally British manager/coaches are perceived. It is a very small pool of talent we find ourselves fishing in.
Hopefully we are fishing in a bigger pool and not limiting our search to British managers.
Bernstein has already said he wants an English manager with Premier and Championship experience so the pool is even more limited
Has he? I have not seen that quote. If so it is a very worrying sign and the first stupid thing he has said since joining us. Hopefully he has not said that and its a bit of press editorialising.
He was interviewed on the pitch before the game on BT sport
And just to confirm, he did say "English" rather than "British". As others have said, could well have just been a slip of the tongue albeit the kind that infuriates our friends in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
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Yeah, but sod them. The rest of the U.K. Doesn't really matter...(runs)
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Which only shows how poor generally British manager/coaches are perceived. It is a very small pool of talent we find ourselves fishing in.
Hopefully we are fishing in a bigger pool and not limiting our search to British managers.
Bernstein has already said he wants an English manager with Premier and Championship experience so the pool is even more limited
Has he? I have not seen that quote. If so it is a very worrying sign and the first stupid thing he has said since joining us. Hopefully he has not said that and its a bit of press editorialising.
No, he did say it ciggies. On the side of the pitch during the prematch stuff on BT. Probably a slip of the tongue. I thought he was game though for being interviewed after BT showed fans moaning about the running of the club.
He was interviewed on the pitch before the game on BT sport
Thanks both. Ouch. Bit worrying that. :( Hopefully in the cool light of day he will think better of it.
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No idea if I want Pearson but two spells at leicester with win rates of 51% and 47% isn't too bad and I actually thought even when they were bottom they played some good football and couldn't believe they were bottom.
so If he did come , in the championship , we would be ok with him .
Personally speaking I'm not keen on Nigel Pearson due to the fact I don't want my manager holding down a professional footballer by the throat when we concede a throw in.
If he's appointed I'll be there and support him like I've supported most but he wouldn't be my choice.
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Big Ron speaks very highly of him
In that case we'd better rule out Marcel Desailly.
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I'm sorry but Pearson is talked about as some sort of genius behind Leicester, but with pretty much the same squad that are top of the league now they were marooned at the bottom for most of last season. Yes they had a great run at the end, but that doesn't mean the first three quarters of the season should be ignored.
But our immediate problem isn't how well Pearson will do in the premier league, we can argue whether he did a great job last season, but how well he will do in the Championship, where he did do a great job the year before. I'm no fan of him, but I think we'd be daft to discount him just because he's unhinged.
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No idea if I want Pearson but two spells at leicester with win rates of 51% and 47% isn't too bad and I actually thought even when they were bottom they played some good football and couldn't believe they were bottom.
so If he did come , in the championship , we would be ok with him .
Personally speaking I'm not keen on Nigel Pearson due to the fact I don't want my manager holding down a professional footballer by the throat when we concede a throw in.
If he's appointed I'll be there and support him like I've supported most but he wouldn't be my choice.
Id say its 90% Pearson
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Not sure what my post count has to do with anything? It's like some kind of cult on here at times. Id rather you didn't insinuate I was a 'prick' thank you. I'm trying to add some realism to this rather atrocious situation that David Moyes won't be touching with a 30ft pole.
Think it possibly is fantasy to expect Moyes to come to us. In with a chance with a stronger and far more persuasive and impressive board though.
I'm waiting for Moyes to rule himself out for the job before I think of other candidates.
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No idea if I want Pearson but two spells at leicester with win rates of 51% and 47% isn't too bad and I actually thought even when they were bottom they played some good football and couldn't believe they were bottom.
so If he did come , in the championship , we would be ok with him .
Personally speaking I'm not keen on Nigel Pearson due to the fact I don't want my manager holding down a professional footballer by the throat when we concede a throw in.
If he's appointed I'll be there and support him like I've supported most but he wouldn't be my choice.
Id say its 90% Pearson
Then I'll take the 10% that isn't.
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Same here. Wasn't there a 'bullying arsehole' working with Lambert who had no effect and Keane was no wallflower and that went well.
Be a sad day amongst many of them when/if Pearson is appointed manager of Aston Villa.
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Would it be worth a poll (maybe on a different thread) to gauge who would be for/against Pearson? It seems to be quite a split at the moment between those that see him as our best realistic option and those that don't want him anywhere near the club. It would be interesting how the numbers would work out.
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I'm sorry but Pearson is talked about as some sort of genius behind Leicester, but with pretty much the same squad that are top of the league now they were marooned at the bottom for most of last season. Yes they had a great run at the end, but that doesn't mean the first three quarters of the season should be ignored.
Exactly. Lauding him for a 'great escape' is one thing. But, we have to remember, he's the one who put them into the dire position they needed to escape from in the first place.
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Most promoted clubs struggle and Pearsons Leicester was no different
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Would it be worth a poll (maybe on a different thread) to gauge who would be for/against Pearson? It seems to be quite a split at the moment between those that see him as our best realistic option and those that don't want him anywhere near the club. It would be interesting how the numbers would work out.
I think that can be done if it becomes a situation more solid than a horrible, media-based nightmare.
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Be a sad day amongst many of them when/if Pearson is appointed manager of Aston Villa.
Very sad but its the kind of place we have been hurtling towards for several years.
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Would it be worth a poll (maybe on a different thread) to gauge who would be for/against Pearson? It seems to be quite a split at the moment between those that see him as our best realistic option and those that don't want him anywhere near the club. It would be interesting how the numbers would work out.
I think that can be done if it becomes a situation more solid than a horrible, media-based nightmare.
That makes sense. I just saw that he was odds on at a few bookies and panicked. (Plus I'm secretly hoping it would be overwhelmingly against and that it might get picked up by someone at the club/in the press to help prevent this nightmare becoming a reality. Might have called the election without the support though, I genuinely don't know which way the vote would go on here)
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I'm sorry but Pearson is talked about as some sort of genius behind Leicester, but with pretty much the same squad that are top of the league now they were marooned at the bottom for most of last season. Yes they had a great run at the end, but that doesn't mean the first three quarters of the season should be ignored.
Exactly. Lauding him for a 'great escape' is one thing. But, we have to remember, he's the one who put them into the dire position they needed to escape from in the first place.
Its not unusual for a newly promoted team to be in a relegation battle though
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I've alluded to it before but I don't really buy this bullying tag. He's been at 9 different clubs in his career and only in the past 12 months has a couple of incidents led to this reputation. We've tried the arm round the shoulder approach and it's got us precisely nowhere. We need a bit of no nonsense steal and someone to instill some pride, fight and passion. Someone whose going to look like they care on the touch line and someone who can create a siege mentality to drag this club back to where it belongs. I absolutely believe, despite the odd bit of abuse thrown at Pat Murphy or the odd bit of handbags on the touch line in the heat of battle, that this bloke could win over a lot of people extremely quickly
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Moyes didn't want to come when we were good (post MON) and partially salvageable in October when Garde got the job, what makes everyone think he'll jump at it now when we have a truly dreadful squad and a spot in the championship?
The biggest difference is probably that he was employed when offered the job previously. I also think that he currently needs a 'project' where he can demonstrate improvement in order to rebuild his reputation. I also think we will offer him a better salary than any of his other options.
As an aside, I've been to a real sociadad match. They're a small club - admittedly in an amazing city - comparable in size with Middlesboro in my opinion and much smaller than their neighbours Bilbao. Villa are twice the size, at least, by comparison.
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I'm no fan of him, but I think we'd be daft to discount him just because he's unhinged.
Eh?
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I've alluded to it before but I don't really buy this bullying tag. He's been at 9 different clubs in his career and only in the past 12 months has a couple of incidents led to this reputation.
You mean that nobody gave two fucks about reporting about his time at Carlisle or when he was managing Leicester in League One?
What an astonishing revelation.
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It reminds me of the Wolves debacle a little. They went through some appointments that didn't work out and eventually cost them before finally sitting down and sensibly choosing a safe pair of hands in Kenny Jackett.
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Most promoted clubs struggle and Pearsons Leicester was no different
Watford. Bournemouth. Only a few years before, Southampton, West Ham.
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How come Gary Rowett is not on the list?
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Has to be Redknapp. He's a genius!
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The fact that we are now linked with the likes of Pearson, Bruce, Macarthy, Monk etc, and to a lesser extent Moyes, is because that's where we are now.
It's what we are now.
Gone are the days when we dreamt about being linked with the finest. When Houllier, Mcleish and Lambert left, we all speculated on the great and the good from Europe rocking up at Villa Park to restore our greatness.
Now, it's a case of just needing someone who can stop up being a basket case of a club and potentially dropping down the leagues.
My how the (not so) mighty have fallen.
It's all so fucking depressing.
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I'd go further than that. When we were a PL team paying enormous salaries to managers we couldn't get anyone decent in. What makes us think we will get a good manager in now?
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We may have been linked with the finest in the past, or dreamt of them as fans, but they very rarely actually turned up and managed us. Go back through all the managers in my Villa time, from Ron Saunders on, and there's 2 or 3 that were a real catch. SGT1, BFR to a lesser degree and he was always going to be our manager one day, and Pubehead.
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Positive and constructive changes to the board are changing my opinion. I've got a lot of confidence in the new regime.
No overnight solution but I think its a start.
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I agree. Just a question of whether we are such damaged goods there's not much left for them to exert their influence on.
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We may have been linked with the finest in the past, or dreamt of them as fans, but they very rarely actually turned up and managed us. Go back through all the managers in my Villa time, from Ron Saunders on, and there's 2 or 3 that were a real catch. SGT1, BFR to a lesser degree and he was always going to be our manager one day, and Pubehead.
My first Villa memories are with BFR in charge but don't recall any connection beforehand.
I thought he played for Oxford United as a player. What was the connection to make us his destiny?
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Was on our books for a few years before signing for Oxford. Never played for the first team. And he always seemed to have a soft spot for us. I expected him to manage us one day back in the day, I felt it was just a case of when.
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We may have been linked with the finest in the past, or dreamt of them as fans, but they very rarely actually turned up and managed us. Go back through all the managers in my Villa time, from Ron Saunders on, and there's 2 or 3 that were a real catch. SGT1, BFR to a lesser degree and he was always going to be our manager one day, and Pubehead.
My first Villa memories are with BFR in charge but don't recall any connection beforehand.
I thought he played for Oxford United as a player. What was the connection to make us his destiny?
I believe he was on the books with us but didn't breakthrough into the first team so went to Headington United (OUFC).
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How come Gary Rowett is not on the list?
He is not the only one. There are a lot of managers of mid table Championship clubs not on the list.
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Rowett is in work and I'm not convinced we'd be going down the road of trying to poach a manager under contract let alone one directly from our (not so) illustrious neighbours. That and I don't think he's all that to be honest.
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How come Gary Rowett is not on the list?
He is not the only one. There are a lot of managers of mid table Championship clubs not on the list.
I agree. I don't see what's so special about him. He's got them to the dizzy heights of mid-table. Big deal.
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I think Rowett would be good. He has polished a massive turd down the road.
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Just an thought about Pearson and "the great escape." Their turnaround in form started after he'd been sacked and then reinstated after his ABH on James McArther.
After that they lost to us in the cup and only lost 3 more league matches. Away to Arsenal, away to Spurs and home to Chelsea.
Maybe the players responded to the thought of getting rid of the passive aggressive twunt more than anything he played in with?
And as others have said, we've had Culverhouse and Karsa sacked for bullying and had Keane give up/get fed up after his book deal was sufficiently publicised with absolutely no effect.
Does anyone really thing having that psuedo hardman knocking around Bodymoor Heath is going to change anything?
As satisfying as it might be to envisage absolute wasters like Agbonlahor and Richards getting a good going over by someone who knows what they're doing, when you're done you've got broken knuckles and they're still wasters, and it's never going to happen anyway, so in the absence of physical violence what could Pearson bring that we haven't already tried, or that a more reasoned coach could bring.
My abiding memory of Leicester last season was that Schmeichel saved them from the tearing of new arseholes on several occasions and made what would otherwise have been comfortable defeats much closer.
I can't remember anything specifically different from them being shit and the run that saved them other than maybe working a bit harder, which they've carried into this season, and playing with some confidence. No doubt someone who pays more attention will put me straight.
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Most promoted clubs struggle and Pearsons Leicester was no different
Watford. Bournemouth. Only a few years before, Southampton, West Ham.
Add Swansea to that list as well.
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Ion 5Live earlier they discussed Villa for a while. Sutton and Townsend were very critical of our players attitude and ability, and Townsend said he would be happy to go to Villa Park and lambast the squad.
Their consensus, with a journo called Rory ( from the Times?) was that Pearson is the man.
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I think Pearson is shit and we have no chance of bouncing back next year under him, the bloke will crumble.
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If he is the man, he will need a bloody good coaching team behind him and the new head of football operations will need to be a very level headed guy.
Big Ron clearly thinks he is the man, as do a lot of people in the game. Maybe he will work out ok, but I can't say the idea thrills me.
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Just an thought about Pearson and "the great escape." Their turnaround in form started after he'd been sacked and then reinstated after his ABH on James McArther.
After that they lost to us in the cup and only lost 3 more league matches. Away to Arsenal, away to Spurs and home to Chelsea.
Maybe the players responded to the thought of getting rid of the passive aggressive twunt more than anything he played in with?
And as others have said, we've had Culverhouse and Karsa sacked for bullying and had Keane give up/get fed up after his book deal was sufficiently publicised with absolutely no effect.
Does anyone really thing having that psuedo hardman knocking around Bodymoor Heath is going to change anything?
As satisfying as it might be to envisage absolute wasters like Agbonlahor and Richards getting a good going over by someone who knows what they're doing, when you're done you've got broken knuckles and they're still wasters, and it's never going to happen anyway, so in the absence of physical violence what could Pearson bring that we haven't already tried, or that a more reasoned coach could bring.
My abiding memory of Leicester last season was that Schmeichel saved them from the tearing of new arseholes on several occasions and made what would otherwise have been comfortable defeats much closer.
I can't remember anything specifically different from them being shit and the run that saved them other than maybe working a bit harder, which they've carried into this season, and playing with some confidence. No doubt someone who pays more attention will put me straight.
I think they have had the biggest streak of luck go for them that you will ever see. For example the game at their place. 2-0 up and cruising, we bring off Gil for Gestede, then bring on Ayew for another midfielder and Hutton for Bacuna I think. Sherwood hands them the game as they come on to us, and Guzan makes a massive cock up of their 3rd goal. We win that day we go above them, and the season looks up. They lose, that unshakable confidence gets a rocking.
At our place, penalty on Kozak and possible sending off, not given. At Spurs Huth again should have been sent off, wasn't, this weekend Simpson handball and last man,not given so no red card. Vardy has been out for about 2 weeks but during cup games not league so hardly missed a kick, likewise Mahrez, Morgan, Kante etc. They have hardly had an injury all season long. They work very hard, but they are a very average side riding a wave of confidence from last season. When it breaks, they will be back to lower mid table.
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After the last few years of incompetent club management and successive appointments of team manager that have failed miserably, I doubt very much that the new board will consider any candidate they they consider has any flaw in their character. It will be up to the board to decide whether Pearson's reputation is deserved and up to Pearson to convince them otherwise if they interview him.
I have no doubt that he is a talented manager but I suspect that they will adopt a no-risk policy and he will be ruled out.
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Their consensus, with a journo called Rory ( from the Times?) was that Pearson is the man.
Rory Smith. He is very good IMO. I certainly think we need a manager from either end of the spectrum that stretches from a despot to a cultivated methodical rebuilder. Nothing in between.
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Their consensus, with a journo called Rory ( from the Times?) was that Pearson is the man.
Rory Smith. He is very good IMO. I certainly think we need a manager from either end of the spectrum that stretches from a despot to a cultivated methodical rebuilder. Nothing in between.
Arguably we had a methodical builder in Garde, who would have looked to nurture the players rather than in still fear into them.
That does not mean you're wrong just that the most vital thing for the new manager is that the rotten players are removed, otherwise I think the cycle will just start again.
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Agreed. Whoever it is has to be allowed to get shut of the senior players that are taking the piss and replace them with genuine leaders that are also the right influence on the young players
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Unless they know the man they want and are talking to him now, I otherwise hope they take their time with it. It goes without saying it's a massive appointment that needs to be right.
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If he is the man, he will need a bloody good coaching team behind him and the new head of football operations will need to be a very level headed guy.
Big Ron clearly thinks he is the man, as do a lot of people in the game. Maybe he will work out ok, but I can't say the idea thrills me.
I'm in agreement.
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I forgot about the Head of Football Operations...isn't he due to be appointed soon? I think that, within the right structure (inc a good coaching team), then maybe....maybe Pearson could be OK
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Give your top three picks for manager.
Mine:
1. Moyes
2. Rodgers
3. Pearson.
I feel very dirty putting Pearson on the list. He's arrogant (stupid with it), lacks self control and he'd be an embarrassment to the football club.
Despite those points, players seem to like him, he's done it in the past and he has the knowledge of what it takes to get promoted from the Championship.
I'm also really struggling to think about other British managers (as it seems that's the way we are going)
*delete if you think it duplicates - I'm just interested who people want.
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Wouldn't the top three already be in the thread with the poll on?
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The problem with manager selection is that there are so many variables in the mix. I agree, of course, with Dante that we had the methodical team builder in Garde but did not have the courage to back him. Garde was expected to fight a rearguard action with tired and cowardly troops. Pearson would have been the man for a fight but we went long term. Now we need team building and forward planning if we get Pearson who is the managerial equivalent of an impact substitution we will have once again made a bad decision.
Just like Garde, Pearson would be the right man at the wrong time. Eighteen months ago we faced two separate problems, avoiding relegation and dismantling the shambles to rebuild a team not forever swirling around the plughole. We needed a Pearson followed by a Garde and it looks like we are getting it the wrong way round.
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Ideally
Moyes
Dyche
Rodgers
Realistically
Pearson
Bruce
Grayson
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Wouldn't the top three already be in the thread with the poll on?
Yes. Yet another pointless thread.
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Just a thought that's occurred to me. If Sir Brian is involved in selection of next manager - maybe being Pearson, would he still have contacts at Leicester that he could sound out and get a proper opinion from?
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Just like Garde, Pearson would be the right man at the wrong time. Eighteen months ago we faced two separate problems, avoiding relegation and dismantling the shambles to rebuild a team not forever swirling around the plughole. We needed a Pearson followed by a Garde and it looks like we are getting it the wrong way round.
He's more the right man more now than when Garde was appointed when he was also the right man. I'm not a fan of Pearson but I think he'd get far more out of that squad by using his one and only motivational technique. I don't think we would have seen Lescott tweeting pictures of his new car or Gabby and Richards heading for Dubai in our predicament with Pearson as the boss.
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The question is whether we're going to be serious about cleaning up the squad in the summer. If we're not then I concede Pearson may be one of the few managers who can get performances out of the useless wankers. But I would hope we'll be talking about a mostly new team who might not need or respond well to his door slamming antics.
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After the last few years of incompetent club management and successive appointments of team manager that have failed miserably, I doubt very much that the new board will consider any candidate they they consider has any flaw in their character. It will be up to the board to decide whether Pearson's reputation is deserved and up to Pearson to convince them otherwise if they interview him.
I have no doubt that he is a talented manager but I suspect that they will adopt a no-risk policy and he will be ruled out.
If the board are going to rule out any manager with a personality "issue" then we'll be managerless forever. All managers are basket cases, every one of them. You'd have to mental to want a job where your career is entirely in the hands of 11 over paid, pampered immature kids. Show me a sane manager and I'll show you a shit manager.
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For gods sake lets get Moyes in, do whatever it takes to get him. Pearson would be us reaching the very bottom of a rotten barrel.
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great contestants though
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Wouldn't the top three already be in the thread with the poll on?
Yes. Yet another pointless thread.
Cheers.
My point was finding out individual choices. The voting is hidden on the other thread, if I'm not mistaken.
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Just a thought that's occurred to me. If Sir Brian is involved in selection of next manager - maybe being Pearson, would he still have contacts at Leicester that he could sound out and get a proper opinion from?
Doubtful. He left Leicester 22 years ago, under a massive cloud. They are a completely different club these days.
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I want Gary Neville, not sure why, but I think he would do well with us in the Championship and bring us back up.
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Just like Garde, Pearson would be the right man at the wrong time. Eighteen months ago we faced two separate problems, avoiding relegation and dismantling the shambles to rebuild a team not forever swirling around the plughole. We needed a Pearson followed by a Garde and it looks like we are getting it the wrong way round.
He's more the right man more now than when Garde was appointed when he was also the right man. I'm not a fan of Pearson but I think he'd get far more out of that squad by using his one and only motivational technique. I don't think we would have seen Lescott tweeting pictures of his new car or Gabby and Richards heading for Dubai in our predicament with Pearson as the boss.
I take it you haven't seen the video of Pearson's son and the other Leicester players in Thailand?
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I want Gary Neville, not sure why, but I think he would do well with us in the Championship and bring us back up.
I don't know much, but I'd rather have Aaron Neville
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I'm not mainly against Pearson for how successful he might or might not be - it could all work out fine with Pearson in the Championship, although I don't think his way of doing football is by any means the only one that works down there, and it's certainly not my favourite (and I also think his combustibility represents a risk in itself).
No, I'm mainly against him because I look at the record of his behaviour and I just don't want Villa associated with a character like that. Call me old-fashioned, but I think some things are more important than results (and, as it happens, I refuse to believe that Pearson is the only man alive who could get us good results with that style of football).
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Dwight Yorke has said on Talk Sport this morning he is applying for the job. As a certain tennis player once said 'You cannot be serious'.
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I'm not mainly against Pearson for how successful he might or might not be - it could all work out fine with Pearson in the Championship, although I don't think his way of doing football is by any means the only one that works down there, and it's certainly not my favourite (and I also think his combustibility represents a risk in itself).
No, I'm mainly against him because I look at the record of his behaviour and I just don't want Villa associated with a character like that. Call me old-fashioned, but I think some things are more important than results (and, as it happens, I refuse to believe that Pearson is the only man alive who could get us good results with that style of football).
He's available though as were our last two appointments. When did we last poach a manager from another club.
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Dwight Yorke has said on Talk Sport this morning he is applying for the job. As a certain tennis player once said 'You cannot be serious'.
He'll need to wear a smarter suit for the interview than those monsters he wears on telly
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I'm not mainly against Pearson for how successful he might or might not be - it could all work out fine with Pearson in the Championship, although I don't think his way of doing football is by any means the only one that works down there, and it's certainly not my favourite (and I also think his combustibility represents a risk in itself).
No, I'm mainly against him because I look at the record of his behaviour and I just don't want Villa associated with a character like that. Call me old-fashioned, but I think some things are more important than results (and, as it happens, I refuse to believe that Pearson is the only man alive who could get us good results with that style of football).
He's available though as were our last two appointments. When did we last poach a manager from another club.
Little from Leicester?
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I'm not mainly against Pearson for how successful he might or might not be - it could all work out fine with Pearson in the Championship, although I don't think his way of doing football is by any means the only one that works down there, and it's certainly not my favourite (and I also think his combustibility represents a risk in itself).
No, I'm mainly against him because I look at the record of his behaviour and I just don't want Villa associated with a character like that. Call me old-fashioned, but I think some things are more important than results (and, as it happens, I refuse to believe that Pearson is the only man alive who could get us good results with that style of football).
He's available though as were our last two appointments. When did we last poach a manager from another club.
The two appointments before that?
Also, you know, John Sitton's available. As is Alan Curbishley. And Joe Kinnear.
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Ion 5Live earlier they discussed Villa for a while. Sutton and Townsend were very critical of our players attitude and ability, and Townsend said he would be happy to go to Villa Park and lambast the squad.
Their consensus, with a journo called Rory ( from the Times?) was that Pearson is the man.
Chris Sutton is one ex player who certainly doesn't care about upsetting players, or ex colleagues.
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I'm not mainly against Pearson for how successful he might or might not be - it could all work out fine with Pearson in the Championship, although I don't think his way of doing football is by any means the only one that works down there, and it's certainly not my favourite (and I also think his combustibility represents a risk in itself).
No, I'm mainly against him because I look at the record of his behaviour and I just don't want Villa associated with a character like that. Call me old-fashioned, but I think some things are more important than results (and, as it happens, I refuse to believe that Pearson is the only man alive who could get us good results with that style of football).
He's available though as were our last two appointments. When did we last poach a manager from another club.
Wasn't it Lambert?
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Just like Garde, Pearson would be the right man at the wrong time. Eighteen months ago we faced two separate problems, avoiding relegation and dismantling the shambles to rebuild a team not forever swirling around the plughole. We needed a Pearson followed by a Garde and it looks like we are getting it the wrong way round.
He's more the right man more now than when Garde was appointed when he was also the right man. I'm not a fan of Pearson but I think he'd get far more out of that squad by using his one and only motivational technique. I don't think we would have seen Lescott tweeting pictures of his new car or Gabby and Richards heading for Dubai in our predicament with Pearson as the boss.
I really don't think the likes of Gabby, Lescott and Richards would be in the least bit intimidated by Pearson, I reckon they'd take the view 'who does this bloke think he is?', the younger guys would probably be scared of him enough to up their game but on the whole, they haven't been the biggest problem.
If, as I hope happens, we purge the team of all the troublemakers, why would you need someone like Pearson who's only attribute appears to be being a bully? The problem wont be there.
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I'm not mainly against Pearson for how successful he might or might not be - it could all work out fine with Pearson in the Championship, although I don't think his way of doing football is by any means the only one that works down there, and it's certainly not my favourite (and I also think his combustibility represents a risk in itself).
No, I'm mainly against him because I look at the record of his behaviour and I just don't want Villa associated with a character like that. Call me old-fashioned, but I think some things are more important than results (and, as it happens, I refuse to believe that Pearson is the only man alive who could get us good results with that style of football).
He's available though as were our last two appointments. When did we last poach a manager from another club.
Wasn't it Lambert?
As Monty was alluding to, Lambert and before him McLeish.
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I'm not mainly against Pearson for how successful he might or might not be - it could all work out fine with Pearson in the Championship, although I don't think his way of doing football is by any means the only one that works down there, and it's certainly not my favourite (and I also think his combustibility represents a risk in itself).
No, I'm mainly against him because I look at the record of his behaviour and I just don't want Villa associated with a character like that. Call me old-fashioned, but I think some things are more important than results (and, as it happens, I refuse to believe that Pearson is the only man alive who could get us good results with that style of football).
He's available though as were our last two appointments. When did we last poach a manager from another club.
Wasn't it Lambert?
As Monty was alluding to, Lambert and before him McLeish.
Lambert but only after he tried to resign and then we had to pay up after.
McLeish yes forgot that I had blocked that nightmare out
Actually McLeish resigned too and we were forced to pay up after there as well.
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For gods sake lets get Moyes in, do whatever it takes to get him. Pearson would be us reaching the very bottom of a rotten barrel.
Hear hear!
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Big Ron speaks very highly of him
In that case we'd better rule out Marcel Desailly.
Haha fockin quality mate
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Just like Garde, Pearson would be the right man at the wrong time. Eighteen months ago we faced two separate problems, avoiding relegation and dismantling the shambles to rebuild a team not forever swirling around the plughole. We needed a Pearson followed by a Garde and it looks like we are getting it the wrong way round.
He's more the right man more now than when Garde was appointed when he was also the right man. I'm not a fan of Pearson but I think he'd get far more out of that squad by using his one and only motivational technique. I don't think we would have seen Lescott tweeting pictures of his new car or Gabby and Richards heading for Dubai in our predicament with Pearson as the boss.
I take it you haven't seen the video of Pearson's son and the other Leicester players in Thailand?
I haven't no. What happened?
Just googled it...the report anyway. Not great but it wasn't Nigel Pearson himself involved. In any case, this happened when the season was over after they avoided the drop not with crucial games still to be played to determine their fate like our two.
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The only thing that worries me about Pearson , like with Garde , they don't get the people who worked with them before , Leicester got some excellent players cheap with the scouts and turned a few players nobody wanted into solid good players and even internationals , like steve Walsh at Leicester for example.
With Garde , Villa was expecting the team he had at Lyon to work with and they were not released by lyon , so Garde had to get different men in with him to work with .
So if Pearson could get the same backroom staff Id be more happier but I don't think that is going to happen at all. Unless a few villa ex pros want to join him eg Laursen .
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I haven't no. What happened?
Leicester City have sacked the three footballers who had been accused of taking part in a racist sex film on a post-season tour to Thailand – including James Pearson, the son of the club’s manager, Nigel Pearson.
The club have announced that they have terminated the contracts of Pearson Jr, Tom Hopper and Adam Smith after an investigation into allegations that the players had racially abused and made other offensive comments to women with whom they were engaging in sex acts in a Thai hotel room.
A statement read: “Leicester City Football Club has notified Tom Hopper, Adam Smith and James Pearson that their contracts with the club have been terminated.
“The decision follows the conclusion of an internal investigation and disciplinary proceedings, as a consequence of events that took place during the club’s end-of-season goodwill tour of Thailand.
“Leicester City Football Club is acutely aware of its position, and that of its players, as a representative of the city of Leicester, the Premier League, the Football Association and the Club’s supporters. It is committed to promoting a positive message of community and family values and equality, and to upholding the standards expected of a Club with its history, tradition and aspirations.”
Among the allegations was that a player had called one of the women a “slit eye”. The video was alleged to have later been shared with friends in the UK.
The incident, which first came to light when footage was obtained by the Sunday Mirror at the end of May, drew a quick response from Leicester, who said at the time that they were deeply concerned by the story. The players issued swift apologies for their behaviour but this does not appear to have counted in their favour and all three will now have to resurrect their careers elsewhere.
The situation has been a deep embarrassment to Leicester, who are owned by the Thai billionaire Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha and his son Aiyawatt, and have worked in a strategic partnership with the Tourism Authority of Thailand for three years.
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'Racist sex film' is an amazing phrase.
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Support act for African Car Reverser.
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James Nursey trying to link Mick McCarthy to the job. Oh do feck off.
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Mick McCarthy you say?
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Mick McCarthy you say?
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never gets tired :)
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Back room staff are really important. Moyes, Round and Neville please.
If it isn't going to be him whoever is chosen has to bring his own guys. Thats crucial.
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James Nursey trying to link Mick McCarthy to the job. Oh do feck off.
Its hardly an outrageous link though is it , we used to get linkedwith him in the Premiership
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James Nursey trying to link Mick McCarthy to the job. Oh do feck off.
Its hardly an outrageous link though is it , we used to get linkedwith him in the Premiership
As long as it's not serious.
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James Nursey trying to link Mick McCarthy to the job. Oh do feck off.
Its hardly an outrageous link though is it , we used to get linkedwith him in the Premiership
As long as it's not serious.
Hopefully not but that seems to be the pool we're fishing in.
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I personally think it is an outdated view that a manager brings his "team" with him to every job. The reality with most clubs now is that there is a coaching structure in place and the contracts are in many cases negotiated separately to that of the manager.
The advantage of this is that you haven't got this merry go round everytime a manager goes and you are not replacing an entire team.
This close season we are in the position where we need to appoint a whole new coaching staff in addition to the manager [again]. We need to stop this and build a solid foundation, one that won't fall apart when the manager leaves.
The view that a manager is nothing without his team is wrong. Pearson like any other manager is reliant on the people around him. Funny how now that he's gone from Leicester the "team" are getting all the credit and Pearson was the weak link holding them back.
Pearson put that coaching structure in place and appointed both Shakespeare and Walsh and I imagine we're looking for him to put a similar structure in place irrespective of the personnel he appoints.
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For gods sake lets get Moyes in, do whatever it takes to get him. Pearson would be us reaching the very bottom of a rotten barrel.
Hear hear!
I don't know how true it is that we have been in for him a couple of times before and he rejected us
but I reckon the jobs his if he wants it, and so if we don't get him its because he doesnt want to come
if he rejects us a third time, he can fuck right off forever
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James Nursey trying to link Mick McCarthy to the job. Oh do feck off.
Its hardly an outrageous link though is it , we used to get linkedwith him in the Premiership
As long as it's not serious.
When was the last time James Nursey wrote an Aston Villa story that any degree of credibility to it?
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For gods sake lets get Moyes in, do whatever it takes to get him. Pearson would be us reaching the very bottom of a rotten barrel.
Hear hear!
I don't know how true it is that we have been in for him a couple of times before and he rejected us
but I reckon the jobs his if he wants it, and so if we don't get him its because he doesnt want to come
if he rejects us a third time, he can fuck right off forever
I heard a few people say he's turned us down twice. When did he turn us down the 2nd time?
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For gods sake lets get Moyes in, do whatever it takes to get him. Pearson would be us reaching the very bottom of a rotten barrel.
Hear hear!
I don't know how true it is that we have been in for him a couple of times before and he rejected us
but I reckon the jobs his if he wants it, and so if we don't get him its because he doesnt want to come
if he rejects us a third time, he can fuck right off forever
I heard a few people say he's turned us down twice. When did he turn us down the 2nd time?
last week
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For gods sake lets get Moyes in, do whatever it takes to get him. Pearson would be us reaching the very bottom of a rotten barrel.
Hear hear!
I don't know how true it is that we have been in for him a couple of times before and he rejected us
but I reckon the jobs his if he wants it, and so if we don't get him its because he doesnt want to come
if he rejects us a third time, he can fuck right off forever
I heard a few people say he's turned us down twice. When did he turn us down the 2nd time?
last week
Thank fuck for that.
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Mick McCarthy you say?
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This always cracks me up!
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It truly is the gif that keeps on giving.
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as long as it stays that way, I don't give a gif
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James Nursey trying to link Mick McCarthy to the job. Oh do feck off.
Its hardly an outrageous link though is it , we used to get linkedwith him in the Premiership
As long as it's not serious.
Indeed.
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For gods sake lets get Moyes in, do whatever it takes to get him. Pearson would be us reaching the very bottom of a rotten barrel.
Hear hear!
I don't know how true it is that we have been in for him a couple of times before and he rejected us
but I reckon the jobs his if he wants it, and so if we don't get him its because he doesnt want to come
if he rejects us a third time, he can fuck right off forever
I heard a few people say he's turned us down twice. When did he turn us down the 2nd time?
From reports, I think he turned us down earlier in the season when we were looking to replace Sherwood. I seem to remember reading an article saying it was because he wanted more of a say in transfers.
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For gods sake lets get Moyes in, do whatever it takes to get him. Pearson would be us reaching the very bottom of a rotten barrel.
Hear hear!
I don't know how true it is that we have been in for him a couple of times before and he rejected us
but I reckon the jobs his if he wants it, and so if we don't get him its because he doesnt want to come
if he rejects us a third time, he can fuck right off forever
I heard a few people say he's turned us down twice. When did he turn us down the 2nd time?
From reports, I think he turned us down earlier in the season when we were looking to replace Sherwood. I seem to remember reading an article saying it was because he wanted more of a say in transfers.
It was reported that he made it clear he wouldn't leave his job mid season - and was annoyed when he was sacked weeks later.
(Whether this had anything to do with us, I don't have a clue)
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I like Mick McCarthy. Always seems like a decent bloke. That said, as a manager he's not up to the task of managing a club this size and he's outdated.
If we don't push hard for Moyes we're crazy. The other names don't inspire any sort of confidence.
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It's got to be Moyes.
It would send a signal to the 2nd Division too that we are not just a husk of a big club, but we are serious about matters again.
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Heard a great story about McCarthy, prior to the World Cup in South Africa the BBC sent all the commentators and pundits on some kind of safety awareness/health and safety course to ensure they were aware of the dangers they may face. Only one person didn't attend and had to sign a waiver acknowledging they were aware of the risks and their reason for not attending the course. He wrote 'I'm from Barnsley'. I really like him but wouldn't want him managing Villa.
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My apologies if this has been spoted before but! Anyone for Yorkie?!
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/yorke-to-apply-for-aston-villa-job-reveals-ferguson-backing (http://www.teamtalk.com/news/yorke-to-apply-for-aston-villa-job-reveals-ferguson-backing)
Yorke to apply for Aston Villa job; reveals Ferguson backing
Dwight Yorke has revealed he has applied for the vacant managerial position at Aston Villa – and says he has the backing of Sir Alex Ferguson.
Villa are searching for their next manager after sacking Frenchman Remi Garde last week, with Eric Black currently acting as interim boss until the end of the season.
Former Leicester manager Nigel Pearson the current favourite to take over at Villa Park as the club look to appoint a candidate with Championship experience, given the Villans are 15 points from safety with six matches remaining.
“They have tried experience, they have tried unknown managers, and they haven’t got it right,” Yorke told talkSPORT.
“I have the feeling they may go for experience. I do believe experience counts for a lot of things but sometimes you need someone with the know-how of a football club and someone who can bring a spark back to the club.
“And what people fail to realise is that I have won the Championship. The only time I have played outside the Premier League I won it with Sunderland so I have got a great understanding of what the Championship is as a player.
“So, not only am I familiar with the players, and the whole culture and history of Aston Villa Football Club, but I am familiar with the Championship.
Yorke missed out on the job to Garde following the sacking of Tim Sherwood in October, when the 44-year-old also talked up his credentials.
“I will apply [for the job] and I am doing that as we speak. I hope they will at least give me an interview,” he added.
“I have gained a wealth of experience; I have played under great managers and I spoke to Sir Alex Ferguson about this job and he is endorsing me. He believes I can do it
“I believe I can do it and it is about giving me the opportunity of at least having an interview.”
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I'd like to think we're already talking to Moyes. If Newcastle are relegated with us I'd expect them to also be interested in him as a replacement for Benitez. One positive from our pathetic performance this season is that we'll be relegated much sooner than Newcastle so we'll have a head start in appointing a manager.
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For gods sake lets get Moyes in, do whatever it takes to get him. Pearson would be us reaching the very bottom of a rotten barrel.
Hear hear!
I don't know how true it is that we have been in for him a couple of times before and he rejected us
but I reckon the jobs his if he wants it, and so if we don't get him its because he doesnt want to come
if he rejects us a third time, he can fuck right off forever
I heard a few people say he's turned us down twice. When did he turn us down the 2nd time?
From reports, I think he turned us down earlier in the season when we were looking to replace Sherwood. I seem to remember reading an article saying it was because he wanted more of a say in transfers.
That and him being in a job at the time, surely?
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I thought I just heard on WM that it will be Pearson as soon as relegation is confirmed but I might be wrong.
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It's a bit of a worry that Moyes is being built up into the only option for us.
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Yeah, I don't recall the transfer comments, my memory thought it was because he was already employed.
My rose tinted glasses recall that there was a tone of frustration in the comments because he was sacked shortly afterwards so his loyalty to RS was misplaced.
In reality I think it was probably all journalistic 2+2=5 and no such actual/official quotes exist.
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My apologies if this has been spoted before but! Anyone for Yorkie?!
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/yorke-to-apply-for-aston-villa-job-reveals-ferguson-backing (http://www.teamtalk.com/news/yorke-to-apply-for-aston-villa-job-reveals-ferguson-backing)
Yorke to apply for Aston Villa job; reveals Ferguson backing
Dwight Yorke has revealed he has applied for the vacant managerial position at Aston Villa – and says he has the backing of Sir Alex Ferguson.
Villa are searching for their next manager after sacking Frenchman Remi Garde last week, with Eric Black currently acting as interim boss until the end of the season.
Former Leicester manager Nigel Pearson the current favourite to take over at Villa Park as the club look to appoint a candidate with Championship experience, given the Villans are 15 points from safety with six matches remaining.
“They have tried experience, they have tried unknown managers, and they haven’t got it right,” Yorke told talkSPORT.
“I have the feeling they may go for experience. I do believe experience counts for a lot of things but sometimes you need someone with the know-how of a football club and someone who can bring a spark back to the club.
“And what people fail to realise is that I have won the Championship. The only time I have played outside the Premier League I won it with Sunderland so I have got a great understanding of what the Championship is as a player.
“So, not only am I familiar with the players, and the whole culture and history of Aston Villa Football Club, but I am familiar with the Championship.
Yorke missed out on the job to Garde following the sacking of Tim Sherwood in October, when the 44-year-old also talked up his credentials.
“I will apply [for the job] and I am doing that as we speak. I hope they will at least give me an interview,” he added.
“I have gained a wealth of experience; I have played under great managers and I spoke to Sir Alex Ferguson about this job and he is endorsing me. He believes I can do it
“I believe I can do it and it is about giving me the opportunity of at least having an interview.”
Dear Dwight,
Thank you for your application. You were a fantastic player for us but when we needed you most you showed your true love for our club when you disrespected John Gregory, your team mates, the club and the fans by forcing a transfer to another club by deliberately not trying on the pitch.
I'm sure you'll understand we could never trust or appoint someone with that attitude as the manager of our famous old club.
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Well said BDE. In a nutshell.
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It's a bit of a worry that Moyes is being built up into the only option for us.
I thought this on the way home from work. Fans and a lot of people on this board seem to be expecting that it will be him rather than hoping. The board will predictably get a lot of stick if it's not Moyes.
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Any recommendation from Ferguson should automatically be avoided.
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In 1974 it was built up that Brian cough was the only option for us
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It's a bit of a worry that Moyes is being built up into the only option for us.
I thought this on the way home from work. Fans and a lot of people on this board seem to be expecting that it will be him rather than hoping. The board will predictably get a lot of stick if it's not Moyes.
There are rumours in Glasgow that he's at least got an offer on the table but nothing will be announced until Celtic have won the league.
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Some will blame the club if it isn't Moyes, even if it turns out they approached him and he turned us down. For me though, it will depend on who it is, if it's Pearson i'll be pissed off, if it was was someone like Curbishley i'd be gutted, but it may be a Garde type. And by that I mean someone none of us thought of but once we think about it a lot like the idea.
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but don't forget he must be english
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Perhaps Dwight can come out of retirement and be Player/ Manager? He'd be better than any of the other forwards!
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Well I want Moyes if I'm really honest. That report (I know it was the Mirror) got me excited, even though Remi was still our manager at the time. No other manager has had that effect on me of all the names mentioned.
I don't know what it is but Moyes and Villa seem to be a good fit in both their current paths Of destiny.
If it's Pearson I'll be very worried. Saying that my last few hunches have been completely wrong.
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Any recommendation from Ferguson should automatically be avoided.
yep like Moyes
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My apologies if this has been spoted before but! Anyone for Yorkie?!
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/yorke-to-apply-for-aston-villa-job-reveals-ferguson-backing (http://www.teamtalk.com/news/yorke-to-apply-for-aston-villa-job-reveals-ferguson-backing)
Yorke to apply for Aston Villa job; reveals Ferguson backing
Dwight Yorke has revealed he has applied for the vacant managerial position at Aston Villa – and says he has the backing of Sir Alex Ferguson.
Villa are searching for their next manager after sacking Frenchman Remi Garde last week, with Eric Black currently acting as interim boss until the end of the season.
Former Leicester manager Nigel Pearson the current favourite to take over at Villa Park as the club look to appoint a candidate with Championship experience, given the Villans are 15 points from safety with six matches remaining.
“They have tried experience, they have tried unknown managers, and they haven’t got it right,” Yorke told talkSPORT.
“I have the feeling they may go for experience. I do believe experience counts for a lot of things but sometimes you need someone with the know-how of a football club and someone who can bring a spark back to the club.
“And what people fail to realise is that I have won the Championship. The only time I have played outside the Premier League I won it with Sunderland so I have got a great understanding of what the Championship is as a player.
“So, not only am I familiar with the players, and the whole culture and history of Aston Villa Football Club, but I am familiar with the Championship.
Yorke missed out on the job to Garde following the sacking of Tim Sherwood in October, when the 44-year-old also talked up his credentials.
“I will apply [for the job] and I am doing that as we speak. I hope they will at least give me an interview,” he added.
“I have gained a wealth of experience; I have played under great managers and I spoke to Sir Alex Ferguson about this job and he is endorsing me. He believes I can do it
“I believe I can do it and it is about giving me the opportunity of at least having an interview.”
Dear Dwight,
Thank you for your application. You were a fantastic player for us but when we needed you most you showed your true love for our club when you disrespected John Gregory, your team mates, the club and the fans by forcing a transfer to another club by deliberately not trying on the pitch.
I'm sure you'll understand we could never trust or appoint someone with that attitude as the manager of our famous old club.
Yes very well put... although a simple "fuck off" would suffice.
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It will be David Cameron as villa manager as soon as he gets the sack fro tax fiddling vian his dads advice
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Remember when Yorke joined Small Heath and then publicly stated that he'd always thought they were the biggest club in Brum, in a pathetic attempt to win over their fans?
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It's going to be Pearson isn't it minus his staff.
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It's going to be Pearson isn't it minus his staff.
Is that the staff he fights off wild dogs with..?
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It's going to be Pearson isn't it minus his staff.
I think as a villa fan we all know that we are going for Moyes but deep down know that is to much of a sensible and good move by the club so it will be that fucking cock Pearson without the only things that made him any good.
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In 1974 it was built up that Brian cough was the only option for us
Turns out it was just a minor hiccup.
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Ron Saunders wasn't to be sneezed at.
/i'llgetmecoat
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I'd love Bernstein to call a press conference to announce the new manager, opening with the line, "Gentlemen, I can not believe so many of you fell for my line about an English manager. I know many are your friends with them but they're all, with the possible exception of one, shit. So with that in mind, let me introduce you to the new manager of Aston Villa, Marcelo Bielsa".
Yep, it will be Pearson.
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It's going to be Pearson isn't it minus his staff.
Yes
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I thought I just heard on WM that it will be Pearson as soon as relegation is confirmed but I might be wrong.
Fuck! I hope there's something up with your hearing (no offence or ill intended).
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So we assemble a well staffed, highly regarded brains trust and all they come up with is 'must be English and have experience of both Premier League and Championship'. Genius. Now there's a strategy that has served us so well in the past.
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The cheap and less than cheerful option yet again, if it's Pearson. Er, mind you, Moyes is free at the moment too. Moyes please. NOT PEARSON.
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I'm warming to the idea of Pearson and I think the reason for this change of heart on my part is that I feel he will have some kind of hunger in him to prove Leicester's success is down to him. Looking at all the runners and riders I think he has the right mix of recent successful Championship experience combined with burning motivation to succeed.
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I think Pearson will be more desperate to land the job and will accept any old transfer budget whereas Moyes will be more demanding I reckon. Holding the board to account is a bare minimum.
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So we assemble a well staffed, highly regarded brains trust and all they come up with is 'must be English and have experience of both Premier League and Championship'. Genius. Now there's a strategy that has served us so well in the past.
I do wonder how much they're influenced by their time serving the FA. I even recall some time back Brian Little coming out with the same line about English managers. Oh for a Brian Little now, somebody that had earned his stripes but with the exception of Eddie Howe, I don't see a single English manager that you think, now that's a man that has great potential. Not one.
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Twitter world in meltdown over rumours of Steve Bruce
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Twitter world in meltdown over rumours of Steve Bruce
God help us.
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They wouldn't, would they?
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Twitter world in meltdown over rumours of Steve Bruce
Would do a good job for us
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They wouldn't, would they?
They'd better not.
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I'd take Bruce over Pearson. Although that probably says more about quite how much I dislike Pearson than anything.
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Wouldn't Potato Head be the perfect fit for the barcodes?
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So we assemble a well staffed, highly regarded brains trust and all they come up with is 'must be English and have experience of both Premier League and Championship'. Genius. Now there's a strategy that has served us so well in the past.
I do wonder how much they're influenced by their time serving the FA. I even recall some time back Brian Little coming out with the same line about English managers. Oh for a Brian Little now, somebody that had earned his stripes but with the exception of Eddie Howe, I don't see a single English manager that you think, now that's a man that has great potential. Not one.
I think Warburton does have a lot of potential in fairness. But agree in principal, there is a shortage of forward thinking managers like Howw
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Sounds like another letter from Ferguson.
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I have to say what a magnificent job Hughton has done at Brighton I wouldn't be averse to him.
And if it isn't too long to wait what about Chris Coleman I quite like how he manages.
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I'd take Bruce over Pearson. Although that probably says more about quite how much I dislike Pearson than anything.
How I feel too.
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Chris Coleman under consideration according to the Express.
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Twitter world in meltdown over rumours of Steve Bruce
God help us.
Paul McGrath?
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I'd take Bruce over Pearson. Although that probably says more about quite how much I dislike Pearson than anything.
How I feel too.
Make that 3 of us then.
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I hope it's Moyes but don't think it will be.
If it is Pearson then I'll definitely swear when the news is confirmed.
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Twitter world in meltdown over rumours of Steve Bruce
God help us.
Twitter meltdown=2 twonks started a #BruceAFVC hashtag and spent the rest of the night pissing themselves laughing as grown men start shitting themselves about something that's not happening.
Take any 3 papers / websites and find at least 5 different names, all plucked from the standard list of names the bookies roll out for this kind of appointment.
Nothing to see until May 16th.
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One of the papers has linked us with Chris Coleman. Can't see us taking on a manager who couldn't join the club till at least after the Euros.
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One of the papers has linked us with Chris Coleman. Can't see us taking on a manager who couldn't join the club till at least after the Euros.
I would happily take on Coleman's recently new wife (Charlotte Jackson).
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I hope that it's someone prepared to live locally, put effort into being part of the Greater Birmingham / Midlands community like Sir Graham did, not just some 3 year contract living at the Belfry that we seem to get with all recent acquistitions of managers / players / coaches alike ( Hopefully that rules out the dour North West based Scot ) I would like Dyche, I like the way he conducts himself, seems tough without being a headcase a la Pearson,hopefully he can get automatic promotion with Burnley then leave with his head held high taking them as far as he can before moving to a club where he could realy make himself a legend . PS Please put Heaton and Gray in the boot of your car on your way down :P
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Fore me if it was between Moyes and Pearson then I'd want Moyes to bring both the Neville's with him or Pearson to bring big Dion.
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One of the papers has linked us with Chris Coleman. Can't see us taking on a manager who couldn't join the club till at least after the Euros.
As someone who follows Welsh football, I really wouldn't want Coleman. He has done a decent job with Wales, but I think even the most ardent Welsh fan would admit that Gareth Bale is probably the sole reason why Wales have qualified. Without Bale, he doesn't seem to have any idea of how to set up an attacking team. Unless he could persuade Bale to come to Villa Park with him, it is a no from me.
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One of the papers has linked us with Chris Coleman. Can't see us taking on a manager who couldn't join the club till at least after the Euros.
As someone who follows Welsh football, I really wouldn't want Coleman. He has done a decent job with Wales, but I think even the most ardent Welsh fan would admit that Gareth Bale is probably the sole reason why Wales have qualified. Without Bale, he doesn't seem to have any idea of how to set up an attacking team. Unless he could persuade Bale to come to Villa Park with him, it is a no from me.
I reckon he has a good football brain, and will do a good job somewhere.
His predilection for a drink would not make him a good prospect for us. We would drive him to an early grave.
Moyes might move us forward if the reports of his interest in the gig are true.
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I'm sure we nearly signed him when Southgate arrived and that's the reason Southgate moved into defence.
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I'm sure we nearly signed him when Southgate arrived and that's the reason Southgate moved into defence.
Southgate was signed as a midfielder with Coleman supposedly about to join us as well. We didn't have a number five in the squad at the start of 1995-956, presumed to be because Coleman would take it. He never did join, the stopgap Southgate stayed in defence and didn't do too badly.
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I'm sure we nearly signed him when Southgate arrived and that's the reason Southgate moved into defence.
Southgate was signed as a midfielder with Coleman supposedly about to join us as well. We didn't have a number five in the squad at the start of 1995-956, presumed to be because Coleman would take it. He never did join, the stopgap Southgate stayed in defence and didn't do too badly.
Coleman at the time said he'd "walk to Villa Park" or words to that effect he was so enthusiastic about joining. He was a pretty good defender and would have been a very solid signing.
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Please, get DM in now and get some positive vibe going; I'm going out of my mind here!!
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Think Southgate moved to defence due to signing Mark Draper ;) and Brian Little need to use both.
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Pearson the clear favourite with the bookies. And his odds are shortening slightly as time goes on... 13/8 from 6/4. Moyes at 7/2.
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Please, get DM in now and get some positive vibe going; I'm going out of my mind here!!
Won't happen until we are mathematically doomed, Mr U, IMHO.
So, could be as early as next week ...
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Are we in the strange position of actually looking forward to sealing our fate with relegation at the weekend so we can reveal our new manager?
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left field option, Hodgson and Neville after the Euros.
Hodgson to become the Head of Football Operations after a season or too.
Nah, didn't think so.
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If the supposed appointment of Jimmy Sinclair to help Eric Black does take place surely that would imply a wait, probably to season's end, for the 'permanent' appointment of manager?
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I'm sure we nearly signed him when Southgate arrived and that's the reason Southgate moved into defence.
Southgate was signed as a midfielder with Coleman supposedly about to join us as well. We didn't have a number five in the squad at the start of 1995-956, presumed to be because Coleman would take it. He never did join, the stopgap Southgate stayed in defence and didn't do too badly.
You are right, that team was a joy to watch.
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If the supposed appointment of Jimmy Sinclair to help Eric Black does take place surely that would imply a wait, probably to season's end, for the 'permanent' appointment of manager?
I see that Jimmy Sinclair (who I have never heard of) was Rangers youth team coach who will take no nonsense...oh no. In reality Black just wants another Scot to talk with in the short time he is here. Obviously then, Kevin MacDonald is on his way out shortly. I wonder how much we will be paying Mr Sinclair?
Apparently his nickname is "Sinky". Very apt considering we are sinking back into the boating pool from wence we came!
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Are we in the strange position of actually looking forward to sealing our fate with relegation at the weekend so we can reveal our new manager?
If this weekend means not just relegation but also the announcement of Nigel Pearson as our manager, then I think I can safely say I'm dreading it more than any weekend I've ever dreaded in my life (as a Villa fan).
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Do people really expect us to unveil a new boss as soon as we are relegated?
I'd be surprised personally. I wouldn't expect a Pearson or Moyes to want to start until this horror season is done and dusted.
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I can't see Moyes working with a structure that has Townsend above. I would not be surprised now if it wasn't going to be someone like Grayson.
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I can't see Moyes working with a structure that has Townsend above. I would not be surprised now if it wasn't going to be someone like Grayson.
I'm not so sure. Bernstein did say they want someone with Premier and Championship experience which would rule him out.
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I would have thought that they'd appoint a DOF (or whatever he'll be called) and consult him before plumping for a manager, and the fact they've just got Sinclair to assist Black would suggest a name won't be announced too soon?
Or I could just go back to staring numbly at the wall.
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I can't see Moyes working with a structure that has Townsend above. I would not be surprised now if it wasn't going to be someone like Grayson.
If you're thinking along those lines though, Southgate would be a more obvious choice than Grayson maybe? Just a thought.
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At the risk of sounding judgemental or superficial or whatever, Southgate just doesn't strike me as a 'winner' in the managerial way. He might have been a great captain when he could lead by example, but perhaps because he can't do that from the sidelines he always looks like an impotent and forlorn figure to me. It's happened often enough before - Roy Keane, for instance, or even Bryan Robson.
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At the risk of sounding judgemental or superficial or whatever, Southgate just doesn't strike me as a 'winner' in the managerial way. He might have been a great captain when he could lead by example, but perhaps because he can't do that from the sidelines he always looks like an impotent and forlorn figure to me. It's happened often enough before - Roy Keane, for instance, or even Bryan Robson.
As Steven Toast would say, he is lacking charisma.
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If we are going to appoint the likes of Coleman, then we are taking a huge risk again. We need a safe pair of hands with experience. Lambert, Sherwood, Garde, all unproven at managing at a big club with higher expectations than what they had to deal with before. We've waisted years and millions of pounds going down this route . The hierarchy must see the risks to the long term stabilty of the club if they get this appointment wrong.
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I'd agree that Southgate doesn't have Managerial "itness". Pearson, on the other hand, has so much itness that I'd want to batter him over the head with it until he believed he was the reincarnation of Mother Theresa.
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If the supposed appointment of Jimmy Sinclair to help Eric Black does take place surely that would imply a wait, probably to season's end, for the 'permanent' appointment of manager?
I see that Jimmy Sinclair (who I have never heard of) was Rangers youth team coach who will take no nonsense...oh no. In reality Black just wants another Scot to talk with in the short time he is here. Obviously then, Kevin MacDonald is on his way out shortly. I wonder how much we will be paying Mr Sinclair?
Or, there are no other first team coaches left except the fitness coach and Black needs a hand. And the youth coaches, such as McDonald have got other more useful things to do, like coach the youth.
I'm sure whatever we're paying Sinclair is a very minor consideration with the amount we're throwing away on our first team every week.
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I'd agree that Southgate doesn't have Managerial "itness". Pearson, on the other hand, has so much itness that I'd want to batter him over the head with it until he believed he was the reincarnation of Mother Theresa.
I'm pretty certain he does already.
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If the supposed appointment of Jimmy Sinclair to help Eric Black does take place surely that would imply a wait, probably to season's end, for the 'permanent' appointment of manager?
I see that Jimmy Sinclair (who I have never heard of) was Rangers youth team coach who will take no nonsense...oh no. In reality Black just wants another Scot to talk with in the short time he is here. Obviously then, Kevin MacDonald is on his way out shortly. I wonder how much we will be paying Mr Sinclair?
Or, there are no other first team coaches left except the fitness coach and Black needs a hand. And the youth coaches, such as McDonald have got other more useful things to do, like coach the youth. Like staying the f##k away from the first team
I'm sure whatever we're paying Sinclair is a very minor consideration with the amount we're throwing away on our first team every week.
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To be honest i have no idea who i want or who should get it. I just want to win some games, enjoy watching us, and go up next season. The rest of it is a sideshow.
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I'm the same Peter. I have no idea who I want but, none of the above or anyone else that has been mooted so far inspire me. That is why I voted for A.N. Other in the poll. Of those above, if I had to select one, it would be Moyes, meh.
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I'm the same Peter. I have no idea who I want but, none of the above or anyone else that has been mooted so far inspire me. That is why I voted for A.N. Other in the poll. Of those above, if I had to select one, it would be Moyes, meh.
Same here, Dave. As Peter said, entertain us, win and get promoted. If we can start to build a footballing culture like Swansea did, so much the better but I won't be holding my breath, certainly not with the managers we've been linked with, that's for sure.
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I'm actually coming round to the idea of Coleman at the end of June after the Euros if we can't get Moyes. Think he has that discipline about him (without being overboard ala Pearson) and is the sort of character we need.
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Coleman was poor at club level before Wales. Why would be be any better now?
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Coleman was poor at club level before Wales. Why would be be any better now?
In his defence, his record at Real Sociedad is better than Moyes'. Other than that he has nothing to shout about.
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Coleman was poor at club level before Wales. Why would be be any better now?
35% win ratio in the Prem with Fulham over a 4-year period was very decent IMO, including a 9th-placed finish.
Coventry he only finished 19th in the Championship in his second season before being fired, but then they got relegated 2 years later, finishing 23rd. Tells me he wasn't necessarily doing a bad job.
He's 45 so still pretty young for a manager, I'd rather him than the grade A bellend Pearson, or someone like Bruce or Mick McC.
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but he isn't 'English'
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Don't want Bruce, just don't like the bloke.
Don't want McCarthy. Yes he knows that league but it's Mick McCarthy for feck sake.
Pearson is a cock but as a manager I think he'd do alright and get us up.
Moyes is my choice. He's the right mix between being safeish, as in you know what you're going to get, but I also feel he'd excite the fanbase the most.
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Dave, FFS geezer - sign!!
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but he isn't 'English'
I'm really hoping Bernstein meant British not English. Otherwise we are ruling out most people's choice David Moyes, and that would be laughable from the board.
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Is Mike Bassett available?
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Is Mike Bassett available?
Dave is and he fits the criteria.
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Is Mike Bassett available?
Dave is and he fits the criteria.
It seems only fair that he gets a chance now after SGT stole the job off him last time we were in desperate need of rejuvenation.
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Mike Bassett has been managing us since 2006 in various guises. From the shortlist of potential managers it looks like his job is safe.
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My guess is the new manager will be inlace this time next week .....
Once relegation is confirmed on Saturday it won't appear on anyones CV
As for the names mentioned I still think its one of two ...Moyes or Pearson
Some other names really are a joke and that includes Coleman
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Coleman is crap. Southgate has no championship experience and is crap anyway. Pearson is a nutjob and won't have his staff available. Warnock is older than Jesus, so only a very short term candidate. Mick Mack is a boring bugger, Sean Dyche won't leave Burnley. Moyes is the man. Do it Brian.
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My guess is the new manager will be inlace this time next week .....
Are you thinking lingerie?
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Whoever it is I just want them to get us winning games and promoted, it's time to get some pride back at the club.
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precisely, underneath the monogrammed tracksuit he can be dressed head to toe in Victoria's Secrets for all I care
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I want Moyes.
The only other options Id even consider are Mark Warburton or Chris Hughton.
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I'm betting David Moyes is a M&S white Y Fronts type of chap.
Apart from entertaining us, winning games and getting us promoted next season, I want a manage with a name that doesn't fit with that '(Manager's name) give us a wave' bollocks. It must be the most cringeworthy football song ever created.
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You're going to have to live with Pearson I am pretty sure. Who makes more sense than Coleman, Warwick or Mccarthy but that ain't saying much
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I'm betting David Moyes is a M&S white Y Fronts type of chap.
Apart from entertaining us, winning games and getting us promoted next season, I want a manage with a name that doesn't fit with that '(Manager's name) give us a wave' bollocks. It must be the most cringeworthy football song ever created.
Warburton
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I'm betting David Moyes is a M&S white Y Fronts type of chap.
Apart from entertaining us, winning games and getting us promoted next season, I want a manage with a name that doesn't fit with that '(Manager's name) give us a wave' bollocks. It must be the most cringeworthy football song ever created.
Warburton
Markie, give us a wave, Markie Markie give us a wave.
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I'm betting David Moyes is a M&S white Y Fronts type of chap.
Apart from entertaining us, winning games and getting us promoted next season, I want a manage with a name that doesn't fit with that '(Manager's name) give us a wave' bollocks. It must be the most cringeworthy football song ever created.
Warburton
Markie, give us a wave, Markie Markie give us a wave.
We want Warbee out!
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Yes its Nige for me. Nige will bring with him his new backroom team of Bernie Clifton, Kerry Katona and a personal favorite of mine ex Villa star David Unsworth!
That should keep the thread going for a few more pages!!
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Are we really going to appoint another guy without his backroom staff - who actually appear to be the ones with the talent - and have to watch them crash and burn as they attempt to manage a team with coaches they've never even met before?
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Warburton will only come for the bread.
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Warburton will only come for the bread.
And the crumpet.
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Warburton will only come for the bread.
Can't see us coughing up the dough
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Warburton will only come for the bread.
The chances of him leaving Rangers are now toast. Reports in Scotland claim he's happy there and already planning next season.
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Warburton will only come for the bread.
The chances of him leaving Rangers are now toast. Reports in Scotland claim he's happy there and already planning next season.
They've given him a raise, I expect.
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Warburton will only come for the bread.
The chances of him leaving Rangers are now toast. Reports in Scotland claim he's happy there and already planning next season.
They've given him a raise, I expect.
They knead to really.
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Warburton will only come for the bread.
Can't see us coughing up the dough
He doesn't knead it
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I've just used that Des, you doughnut
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I've just used that Des, you doughnut
Oh yeah. What a bloomer
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All this bread stuff needs to be proved, really.
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Warburton will only come for the bread.
Can't see us coughing up the dough
He doesn't knead it
He still has to earn a crust. I just hope people don't get a cob on when he's appointed.
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Warburton will only come for the bread.
Can't see us coughing up the dough
He doesn't knead it
He still has to earn a crust. I just hope people don't get a cob on when he's appointed.
Hopefully he'll be the best thing since sliced bread.
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Warburton will only come for the bread.
Can't see us coughing up the dough
He doesn't knead it
He still has to earn a crust. I just hope people don't get a cob on when he's appointed.
I hope the squad take to him too. The last thing he needs is French stick
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Well Mr Hollis, ciabatta have several options on the list because focaccia with a blank page or a 'shortlist of one' I'll have a right cob on.
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A short role with us would be better than a long loaf in Glasgow.
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Thinking on it, why don't we give it to proper Villa man Bruce Rioch, who nowadays likes to go by the portmanteau Brioche.
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Hopefully our board will go against the grain in their choice.
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I heard he's up for the move but neither his wife or naan are too keen.
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I think Brucie would like the job but it would have to be spelt out to him.
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He's the best of the batch of the newer managers
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Warburton will only come for the bread.
The chances of him leaving Rangers are now toast. Reports in Scotland claim he's happy there and already planning next season.
what is this "planning" you speak of?
sounds like a chancer to me
pfffttt
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I think Brucie would like the job but it would have to be spelt out to him.
He's currently enjoying the Tiger Bread too much.
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Whoever it is needs to overhaul the squad. I hope we keema naan of the current mob, they're roti.
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Don't get sour, dough.
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We should be targeting someone with a good pair of baps
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Once again a good H&V thread dissolves - at a time when the future of our once great club, which has sunk so very low, hangs in the balance - into pages of shit, pathetic, unfunny buns.
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Might have known we were going to get stick.
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Once again a good H&V thread dissolves - at a time when the future of our once great club, which has sunk so very low, hangs in the balance - into pages of shit, pathetic, unfunny buns.
On the contrary, I find these punfests at least offer me a crumb of comfort in these dark times.
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Villa Park, the graveyard of football management. We promise you career will be brown bread in less than a season.
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Once again a good H&V thread dissolves - at a time when the future of our once great club, which has sunk so very low, hangs in the balance - into pages of shit, pathetic, unfunny buns.
Bah - get over it.
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Yes these puns are the yeast of our problems so we should waffle on about who is coming
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If it doesn't stop I'm leaven.
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He's the best of the batch of the newer managers
I doubt Pearson is even his Mother's Pride.
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Oh dough another bleedin pun fest.
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I want Gary Neville, not sure why, but I think he would do well with us in the Championship and bring us back up.
I don't know much, but I'd rather have Aaron Neville
I'd prefer Neville Neville.
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When I hear that name Neville it makes me say it like Rocky shouting Adrian for some bizarre reason, anyhow whoever our next boss is don't be croissant slag the board off
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This is barm_y, pitta stop to it please
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Villa need to rise up again.
Dough or dough not. There is no rye
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Muffin hell, please doorstop
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Mccarthy in to 12/5! That's been sliced fresh today. I was going that rumour would have gone stale by now and the media were just going blaa blaa blaa.
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Ive just heard Warburtons 50/50
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Christ these manager names are depressing. I mean I will get behind whoever but it sure would be nice to have some inspiring targets. Hopefully Bernstein & co will surprise us pleasantly.
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A certain P. Lambert might be looking for a job soon.........
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We seem to be making a wholemeal of appointing a new manager
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Only one thing to do: We need to buy Carbone to sodas out.
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A certain P. Lambert might be looking for a job soon.........
"I can't keep being a spokesman for the football club," he told BBC Radio Lancashire.
"I went through the same at Aston Villa and I'll never go through that again."
This stuff is reminding me why I was happy to be rid at the end. What on earth is he blathering about? Being a spokesman is part of the managers job.
What he means is he doesn't want to answer questions about his crappy results and whether he is going to get fired.
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I'm amazed at how little of a fuck I give about this, to be honest
Normally when we're managerless, I'm wasting huge amounts of time here, refreshing away hoping for news. This time, I really can't be fucked. I'm too focused on wanting the season to end and make this shit go away.
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What shit go away? Sorry I stopped taking an interest at about 5pm on cup final day 2015.
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What shit go away? Sorry I stopped taking an interest at about 5pm on cup final day 2015.
Were you in defence or midfield?
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What shit go away? Sorry I stopped taking an interest at about 5pm on cup final day 2015.
Were you in defence or midfield?
Very clever (and a touch cynical) Mr McMahon.
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There's a bloke on Phil Williams on five live now who is obviously a Villa fan. He is royally criticising the badge and has suggested we are holding out for Dyche.
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As William Goldman once said, nobody knows anything.
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He is indeed a Villa fan. Mates with Adil Ray, think went to Aston together.
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As William Goldman once said, nobody knows anything.
He stole that line of Bad English.
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I like the line from Outlaw Blues - Don't ask me nothin' about nothin' - I just might tell you the truth
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I like the line from Forrest Gump, delivered by a Villa fan "that's all I have to say about that".
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Martin Jol has been mentioned by one of the bookmakers. Appart from Moyes, when I look at list in the bookies of potential managers, it breaks my heart that Nigel Pearson could manage our great club. I wouldn't mind Jol though.
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Martin Jol has been mentioned by one of the bookmakers. Appart from Moyes, when I look at list in the bookies of potential managers, it breaks my heart that Nigel Pearson could manage our great club. I wouldn't mind Jol though.
Joel can come if he brings his brothers Dick and Cock
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Martin Jol has been mentioned by one of the bookmakers. Appart from Moyes, when I look at list in the bookies of potential managers, it breaks my heart that Nigel Pearson could manage our great club. I wouldn't mind Jol though.
We could do worse than Jol.
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He did alright at Spurs but hasn't he been a bit rubbish since?
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So he is over qualified
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I don't think anything will happen manager-wise until the end of the season. Everybody in the world knows these players are complete and utter bobbins, and most of them need to be ushered out of the exit door as soon as the transfer window opens. Why join now and taint yourself with all this crap? Join with a clean slate in the summer, bin a load of the rubbish and get your own players in.
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He did alright at Spurs but hasn't he been a bit rubbish since?
I thought that until I looked at his Wiki page. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Jol)
Did OK in his one season at Hamburg
Was under par at Ajax, but still put together a 14 wins on the bounce run to the end of his first season to finish one point behind McLaren's FC Twente (GD +86!)
Resigned a third of the way the following season following a poor run.
Did OK at Fulham by their standards in his first 2 seasons, before it all going tits up in year 3.
I'd say the problem seems to be he can't maintain momentum,which would take us back to the debate about do we want someone who can get us up and build on it or do we just want someone who can get us up and worry about the rest afterwards?
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Martin Jol has been mentioned by one of the bookmakers. Appart from Moyes, when I look at list in the bookies of potential managers, it breaks my heart that Nigel Pearson could manage our great club. I wouldn't mind Jol though.
Not sure what part of England he is from!!
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I would be pushing hard for Moyes right now. Don't hang around till summer. I hope we get him in place because come May, Newcastle will be looking for a new Manager. Sunderland too perhaps. I can understand if Moyes wouldn't want to step straight in. Sign him up now to start in June. We can't Villa this appointment. We're gonna villa it though aren't we?
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I would be pushing hard for Moyes right now. Don't hang around till summer. I hope we get him in place because come May, Newcastle will be looking for a new Manager. Sunderland too perhaps. I can understand if Moyes wouldn't want to step straight in. Sign him up now to start in June. We can't Villa this appointment. We're gonna villa it though aren't we?
This is how I feel. Even if we don't make an annoncement until the summer, it would be best to come to some agreement with whoever the next manager is before then. Its important that he has that extra time to start planning for what is looking a tough season next time.
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Martin Jol has been mentioned by one of the bookmakers. Appart from Moyes, when I look at list in the bookies of potential managers, it breaks my heart that Nigel Pearson could manage our great club. I wouldn't mind Jol though.
Not sure what part of England he is from!!
Jerusalem
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He did alright at Spurs but hasn't he been a bit rubbish since?
I thought that until I looked at his Wiki page. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Jol)
Did OK in his one season at Hamburg
Was under par at Ajax, but still put together a 14 wins on the bounce run to the end of his first season to finish one point behind McLaren's FC Twente (GD +86!)
Resigned a third of the way the following season following a poor run.
Did OK at Fulham by their standards in his first 2 seasons, before it all going tits up in year 3.
I'd say the problem seems to be he can't maintain momentum,which would take us back to the debate about do we want someone who can get us up and build on it or do we just want someone who can get us up and worry about the rest afterwards?
That's not bad at all, I have always liked him from his time over here. I'm not convinced he's for us right now though.
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I would be pushing hard for Moyes right now. Don't hang around till summer. I hope we get him in place because come May, Newcastle will be looking for a new Manager. Sunderland too perhaps. I can understand if Moyes wouldn't want to step straight in. Sign him up now to start in June. We can't Villa this appointment. We're gonna villa it though aren't we?
If course we will. Moyes would be an eminently sensible appointment.
That's not really our style.
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I would be pushing hard for Moyes right now. Don't hang around till summer. I hope we get him in place because come May, Newcastle will be looking for a new Manager. Sunderland too perhaps. I can understand if Moyes wouldn't want to step straight in. Sign him up now to start in June. We can't Villa this appointment. We're gonna villa it though aren't we?
If course we will. Moyes would be an eminently sensible appointment.
That's not really our style.
No sooner than Steve Carver decided to put his name into the hat, I did get this horrible shudder down my spine. That said we could do worse than Carver. He was the best manager in the premier league last season. ;)
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No sooner than Steve Carver decided to put his name into the hat, I did get this horrible shudder down my spine. That said we could do worse than Carver. He was the best manager in the premier league last season. ;)
Is he any relation to John?
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I would be pushing hard for Moyes right now. Don't hang around till summer. I hope we get him in place because come May, Newcastle will be looking for a new Manager. Sunderland too perhaps. I can understand if Moyes wouldn't want to step straight in. Sign him up now to start in June. We can't Villa this appointment. We're gonna villa it though aren't we?
If course we will. Moyes would be an eminently sensible appointment.
That's not really our style.
No sooner than Steve Carver decided to put his name into the hat, I did get this horrible shudder down my spine. That said we could do worse than Carver. He was the best manager in the premier league last season. ;)
As long as we don't get his brother John. He was a total cock socket and more than a bit shit. :D
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he was the football equivalent of having the wild shites after a few bad beers
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he was the football equivalent of having the wild shites after a few bad beers
Who?
John Carver, Steve Carver or Martin Jol?
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he was the football equivalent of having the wild shites after a few bad beers
Who?
John Carver, Steve Carver or Martin Jol?
The answer's right in front of us Mister E.
We're getting Steve Martin
He'll be perfect for us.
Used to be fantastic, his greatest achievements coming before the period for which he is best known these days, which was in the late 70's and early 80's, hasn't consistently done anything of note since but there have been a couple of high points and his later output has been of, shall we say variable quality.
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I would be pushing hard for Moyes right now. Don't hang around till summer. I hope we get him in place because come May, Newcastle will be looking for a new Manager. Sunderland too perhaps. I can understand if Moyes wouldn't want to step straight in. Sign him up now to start in June. We can't Villa this appointment. We're gonna villa it though aren't we?
That would probably add Allardyce to our list of candidates. Can see him staying there if they go down though.
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so if Sunderland go down, why would Fat S come to us?
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because we're Aston Villa. The same reason why mourinho would probably fancy the challenge also.
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respect Peter, but the chosen one wouldn't touch us with a barge pole. And I honestly don't think Sam would either. Like you, I might think Villa is the greatest club in the world but sadly, many others don't.
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he was the football equivalent of having the wild shites after a few bad beers
Who?
John Carver, Steve Carver or Martin Jol?
The answer's right in front of us Mister E.
We're getting Steve Martin
He'll be perfect for us.
Used to be fantastic, his greatest achievements coming before the period for which he is best known these days, which was in the late 70's and early 80's, hasn't consistently done anything of note since but there have been a couple of high points and his later output has been of, shall we say variable quality.
We've had several comedians for managers recently ... "Larff? I nearly peed meself!"
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he was the football equivalent of having the wild shites after a few bad beers
Who?
John Carver, Steve Carver or Martin Jol?
The answer's right in front of us Mister E.
We're getting Steve Martin
He'll be perfect for us.
Used to be fantastic, his greatest achievements coming before the period for which he is best known these days, which was in the late 70's and early 80's, hasn't consistently done anything of note since but there have been a couple of high points and his later output has been of, shall we say variable quality.
We've had several comedians for managers recently ... "Larff? I nearly peed meself!"
Lambert and Sherwood were The Men With No Brains
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he was the football equivalent of having the wild shites after a few bad beers
Who?
John Carver, Steve Carver or Martin Jol?
The answer's right in front of us Mister E.
We're getting Steve Martin
He'll be perfect for us.
Used to be fantastic, his greatest achievements coming before the period for which he is best known these days, which was in the late 70's and early 80's, hasn't consistently done anything of note since but there have been a couple of high points and his later output has been of, shall we say variable quality.
We've had several comedians for managers recently ... "Larff? I nearly peed meself!"
Lambert and Sherwood were The Men With No Brains
MON was The Jerk.
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sorry I was referring to John Carver being enough to give anyone the wild shites. I honestly think I'd rather have Nigel.
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John Carver would be hilarious.
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Mick McCarthy is now second favourite and Moyes drifted to 6-1.... Oh dear God.
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May as well have kept Garde
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May as well have kept Garde
Indeed. Garde's results have been terrible but no worse than some of the horrendous runs Mick has put together in his time. At least I had hope that Garde wanted us to play a modern style once he has a squad he liked. With McCarthy we all know exactly how we will play and its not exactly thrilling.
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Did I hear right earlier that they've said no has been approached as yet? A prospective manager that is.
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Did I hear right earlier that they've said no has been approached as yet? A prospective manager that is.
That was what 5 Live were saying this afternoon, yes.
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So they must be after someone in a job already maybe....waiting for their fate to be decided. I reckon it's Dyche.
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Not necessarily, people like Brendan Rodgers have yet to secure employment for next season. Martinez could be kicked out at Everton and Moyes might hope they offer him a return ticket. Then we have the promotion chasing managers. We're fishing in a very pool so it makes sense to try and find the best tiddler in there.
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As that bloke on five live last night when everyone was expecting Redknapp to be appointed England manager Bernstein went for Woy. So he might spring a surprise.
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we appoint another wannabe, then were not at the bottom of this downward spiral.
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With regard to Mick McCarthy several of us on here during Garde's downfall were saying be careful what you wish for. With Moyes now drifting in the betting I have a horrible feeling that the dice are about to be rolled again.
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I wouldn't read too much into the odds, media scratching around for news when there is none - I imagine we'll be linked with Platt soon.
Nobody of any credibility is going to join until our fate is sealed, we've just got to wait another week or two.
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John Beck for me - get Dion in as his assistant
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John Beck for me - get Dion in as his assistant
Strange to reflect that Cambridge United got into the playoffs for a place in the newly formed Prem League under Beck.
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So they must be after someone in a job already maybe....waiting for their fate to be decided. I reckon it's Dyche.
That would also fit McCarthy.
Just saying like.
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So they must be after someone in a job already maybe....waiting for their fate to be decided. I reckon it's Dyche.
That would also fit McCarthy.
Just saying like.
Steve Bruce too. Which is where my money would be going. Although I want Moyes.
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So they must be after someone in a job already maybe....waiting for their fate to be decided. I reckon it's Dyche.
That would also fit McCarthy.
Just saying like.
And Hughton
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How about absolutely nothing at all has changed and that nothing will be resolved until the summer? So all these odds moving is just about a few people putting money on longer odds and shortening them based on a hunch. There's nothing to suggest McCarthy is even a candidate for this position other than something suggesting he could be a candidate. Moyes could be the guy that the board wants except nobody is talking about him. I actually kind of like that.
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So they must be after someone in a job already maybe....waiting for their fate to be decided. I reckon it's Dyche.
That would also fit McCarthy.
Just saying like.
Steve Bruce too. Which is where my money would be going. Although I want Moyes.
Can we really see us paying even more compensation for a manager already in a job? Unless someone resigns at the end of the season, I can only see us going for someone currently out of work.
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I would like somebody in before the season has ended to assess the squad and get settled in so that we can hit the ground running. Ultimately, the teams that come down with us have better squads so we need to make up ground very quickly. Only benefit is that the other two teams don't know they are down as yet...
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So they must be after someone in a job already maybe....waiting for their fate to be decided. I reckon it's Dyche.
That would also fit McCarthy.
Just saying like.
Steve Bruce too. Which is where my money would be going. Although I want Moyes.
Can we really see us paying even more compensation for a manager already in a job? Unless someone resigns at the end of the season, I can only see us going for someone currently out of work.
Like Tony Blackburn?
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I would like somebody in before the season has ended to assess the squad and get settled in so that we can hit the ground running. Ultimately, the teams that come down with us have better squads so we need to make up ground very quickly. Only benefit is that the other two teams don't know they are down as yet...
If we weren't to get somebody in before the summer, it wouldn't make much sense of the timing of the Garde sacking. Surely the whole point of making that move when we did was for exactly what you've said above. It might be that it's all done or near enough but a new manager doesn't want a relegation on his record so they're waiting until its official.
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This Thread is just going to get more depressing over time isn't it. Bruce, Mccarthy or Pearson. Christ I am almost warming to the idea of Pearson given that choice.
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Imagine if a thread appears simply called 'it's Pearson.....
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I spittle think the scare tactics of dropping even worse options out there had worked and I would almost be relieved as at least I have seen his sides play good football and he bought Mahrez... see its happening already!!!
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That other 'racist' --- imo --- Malky McCardiff isn't in this option ?
Where did Pearson's son learn his racist bigotry when he was filmed in Thailand ?
His aggressive threats and demeaning of the women him and his mates had bought?
Was that a shock to his dad ?
Come on..... >:(
I would walk away from my 15 year Season if either of those two were appointed.
Honestly....
I'm thinking of not renewing at the moment, but the juggling of the Board and the average age going up by a generation, has made me pause.
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As for Moyes :D
On some other thread, months ago I mentioned his "requirements".
At PNE he eventually became the HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEE.
At Everton he went in and remained the HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEE
At Man Utd he was way down the 'greed-bucket' pecking order.
Di Maria / Rooney etc swamped his wages.
Might be why he failed there.
If he came to us after his European sojourn - HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEE AGAIN -
- he would have to be the King Pin, the 'Highest Waged Employee'
Which means we have to get rid of the enhanced contractees
NZog and his £65k pw will be gone.
Lambert's support for Gabby's enhanced contract, would put him in striking distance of NZog I'd think.
Which means, get rid of the "enhanced" contracts and Moyes could come in for about £40-50K pw.
It's all about money for Moyes.
Jumped to Everton - Jumped to Man Utd _ bigger wages both times - ACHIEVEMENTS...NIL - ZERO - ZILCH.
Gary Rowett over at the Blues is probably on a 'Living Wage' and £10 an Hour might entice him :D
A MUCH better choice than McKay / Pearson / Moyes.
Him or Mad Mick imo.
Genuine guys and genuine managers who sweat football, not earnings.
:)
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Still think it will be Pearson
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I'm going out and might not be coming back. Pearson! FFS!!!
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We're only making plans for Nigel.
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John Beck for me - get Dion in as his assistant
Strange to reflect that Cambridge United got into the playoffs for a place in the newly formed Prem League under Beck.
I went to West Brom v Huddersfield in the third tier back in the 90s (I know) where the Huddersfield supporters kept an almost continuous 'Jonny Beck's blue and white army' going for what seemed like the whole game. The constant repetition began to develop a hypnotic quality like a kind of religious incantation. I can remember thinking 'he must be good'.
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The abiding memory of John Beck at the Abbey by Cam U fans produced the legend that the quadrants around the corner flags had to be returfed every month. For those like me who believed that Remi Garde was the way forward and that his treatment by the massed ranks at Villa Park will always be a stain on the history of the club, if he were replaced by John Beck my mood would be one of self righteousness.
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That other 'racist' --- imo --- Malky McCardiff isn't in this option ?
Where did Pearson's son learn his racist bigotry when he was filmed in Thailand ?
His aggressive threats and demeaning of the women him and his mates had bought?
Was that a shock to his dad ?
Come on..... >:(
I would walk away from my 15 year Season if either of those two were appointed.
Honestly....
I'm thinking of not renewing at the moment, but the juggling of the Board and the average age going up by a generation, has made me pause.
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As for Moyes :D
On some other thread, months ago I mentioned his "requirements".
At PNE he eventually became the HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEE.
At Everton he went in and remained the HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEE
At Man Utd he was way down the 'greed-bucket' pecking order.
Di Maria / Rooney etc swamped his wages.
Might be why he failed there.
If he came to us after his European sojourn - HIGHEST PAID EMPLOYEE AGAIN -
- he would have to be the King Pin, the 'Highest Waged Employee'
Which means we have to get rid of the enhanced contractees
NZog and his £65k pw will be gone.
Lambert's support for Gabby's enhanced contract, would put him in striking distance of NZog I'd think.
Which means, get rid of the "enhanced" contracts and Moyes could come in for about £40-50K pw.
It's all about money for Moyes.
Jumped to Everton - Jumped to Man Utd _ bigger wages both times - ACHIEVEMENTS...NIL - ZERO - ZILCH.
Gary Rowett over at the Blues is probably on a 'Living Wage' and £10 an Hour might entice him :D
A MUCH better choice than McKay / Pearson / Moyes.
Him or Mad Mick imo.
Genuine guys and genuine managers who sweat football, not earnings.
:)
Well, it's a view, I suppose...
Hmmm, you like Mad Mick; what about Nutty Nige?
You might want re-read your post.
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
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There's no way our board would be stupid enough to go for Mick McCarthy. Tell me I'm right?
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
Fine. Makes little difference to this season and if it widens the pool of managers to pick from, so much the better.
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
If it's not going to be Moyes then yes definitely.
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
Fine. Makes little difference to this season and if it widens the pool of managers to pick from, so much the better.
Unless the right man is already out of work, then the sooner the better surely?
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
Makes perfect sense to me. What's to stop us entering into some kind of 'gentleman's agreement' with the selected candidate where he can hold a watching brief until season's end? Providing it breaches no rules.
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Wait until summer and it could be Pardew *shudders*
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I don't mind waiting until the summer but if that wait is for a Bruce or Mccarthy there is little point. If it means getting Dyche or Hughton then fair enough.
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...or Warbuton, but he may want to take Rangers into the Premier and have a go at Celtic.
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I don't mind waiting until the summer but if that wait is for a Bruce or Mccarthy there is little point. If it means getting Dyche or Hughton then fair enough.
As both their respective clubs are looking good to pass us on our way down - I can't see either swapping what they have for a shot at sorting out a basket-case like us next season. I guess it all depends on what happens between now & the end of the season (and what our Board's strategy is - if any). I'm beginning to think Nigel Nutjob will be who we end up with. God forbid... :o :o
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I'd rather have Mick McCarthy than Pearson. At least McCarthy would just likely be rubbish. I think a club with any dignity at all should refuse to give someone like Pearson employment.
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I'd rather have Mick McCarthy than Pearson. At least McCarthy would just likely be rubbish. I think a club with any dignity at all should refuse to give someone like Pearson employment.
Hobson's choice, Monty.
Both bring me out in cold sweats ... And the mere thought of facing my football-friends with either of these no-hopers at the helm fills me with dread.
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
I assumed we'd be waiting until the summer anyway. Ultimately I want the correct manager in place whether it's now or the summer it doesn't really matter.
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
That would make sense.
It would also make sense if the board wanted to sell some of our better players beforehand.
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I can't see the point in not waiting for as long as possible. Someone somewhere may just look at it and think, yeah i fancy that. Someone of a higher calibre than those mooted thus far.
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I would hope they'll announce it next week once we've got the big 'R' next to our name. We need the manager in place now, assess the squad sort out who he wants to sign and who to get rid of and give to the board to sort out. Otherwise everyone will bugger off on holiday, the current Villa players will be left in limbo and we'll be left with no new signings till they report back for training in August. If we're buying from the European bargain buckets again those guys won't be match fit till October and we'll be half way down the championship by then.
It's either going to be Moyes or Pearson, both of them are sat at home watching homes under the hammer so there's nothing to sort out except getting their initials printed on a tracksuit.
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
I think it would be a complete waste of time, unless as others have stated, we bring someone in on a watching brief. We have an opportunity for someone to get in now, assess what we have and who we want to keep/sell. I honestly dont want another fresh face coming in and giving some of these shit heads another chance, get in now, listen to the fan reaction to them, see how bad things are in the dressing room and deal with it over the summer. Personally, I think there are two really good candidates - Moyes and Pearson (although i detest the latter). Get one of them signed up and announced on Sunday. We absolutely need to hit the ground running next year
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I agree entirely with keeping Black in charge unless the man we want is available. This is huge decision and I want the board to take the time they need. No point appointing someone now who gets to see the worst of us immediately. Mentally the squad will be in a better place in the summer because the season before, as disastrous as it has been will be over. A new manager has only one chance to make a first impression and vice versa, players have only once chance to make a first impression to the new manager. It doesn't serve either party well to meet under these circumstances.
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As has been said before, I frankly don’t see the point of delaying it either and think that getting someone in on a watching brief would be beneficial. Given my utter contempt for the ‘players’, nothing would give me more pleasure than Moyes or Pearson (please god not the latter) staring on from the stands as we capitulate to Bournemouth and then marching into the dressing room John Sitton style to give these wastrels what for.
Staggering on to the end of the season with Black in charge having being relegated already and these charlatans in the great claret and blue, seems like an exercise in utter futility to me. So, even if the club don’t act and get a new man in on a watching brief, the very least we should be doing is putting every one of these idiots who got us in this mess out to pasture and play the kids or the veterans, or the Villa Lionesses....I don’t ever want to see the likes of Richards, Lescott, Westwood, Agbloodybonlahor, N’Zogbia and the rest anywhere near our great club again. Watching them in claret in blue is the equivalent of that scene in The Shining where Jack Nicolson watches a stunning woman climb out of the bath, only to see her turn into a laughing old hag when he gets close to her.
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
Fine. Makes little difference to this season and if it widens the pool of managers to pick from, so much the better.
By the same token we will noted to move pretty quickly thereafter. There is clearly a big clear out required and the sooner we get started the better.
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If it means getting a better manager, we should wait.
With the European Championship, there is going to be a lot of disruption in the summer.
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I don't mind waiting until the summer but if that wait is for a Bruce or Mccarthy there is little point. If it means getting Dyche or Hughton then fair enough.
McCarthy would be a terrible appointment.
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Still think it will be Pearson
I've been reading up on Pearson on a Leicester forum and it's certainly opened my eyes to what the man achieved there. Overall it was rare to hear anybody have a bad word to say about him, they pretty much loved him and his record more than stands up for itself. The press do seem to have it in for him and his natural disdain for them made it a pretty predictable outcome. I do wonder how he copes with stress, he takes all the pressure of his players and carries it himself but as the headlines have shown, he looks like he loses it.
Football wise, he actually seems to really know what he's doing. Uses his bench to great effect, great in the transfer window and gets all his players to give 100%. They all seemed to love him too. He may make mistakes but he's a fast learner and those mistakes are never repeated. He'd certainly get us organised from top to bottom, even this squad, as he inherited a similar group of wasters when he took over at Leicester. My only doubt and one raised on the forum was just how well he can cope with the pressure of the Premier League. Right now that's the least of our problems.
Moyes may be a 'name' in football circles but I have serious doubts his ability matches his reputation. Much like MON. More concerning is whether or not he could get us up next season. Given the choice between the two - and I can't believe I'm writing this, I'd feel a lot more confident with Pearson in charge. I actually think he would surprise a lot of people and actually get the job done.
There, I've said it.
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Still think it will be Pearson
I've been reading up on Pearson on a Leicester forum and it's certainly opened my eyes to what the man achieved there. Overall it was rare to hear anybody have a bad word to say about him, they pretty much loved him and his record more than stands up for itself. The press do seem to have it in for him and his natural disdain for them made it a pretty predictable outcome. I do wonder how he copes with stress, he takes all the pressure of his players and carries it himself but as the headlines have shown, he looks like he loses it.
Football wise, he actually seems to really know what he's doing. Uses his bench to great effect, great in the transfer window and gets all his players to give 100%. They all seemed to love him too. He may make mistakes but he's a fast learner and those mistakes are never repeated. He'd certainly get us organised from top to bottom, even this squad, as he inherited a similar group of wasters when he took over at Leicester. My only doubt and one raised on the forum was just how well he can cope with the pressure of the Premier League. Right now that's the least of our problems.
Moyes may be a 'name' in football circles but I have serious doubts his ability matches his reputation. Much like MON. More concerning is whether or not he could get us up next season. Given the choice between the two - and I can't believe I'm writing this, I'd feel a lot more confident with Pearson in charge. I actually think he would surprise a lot of people and actually get the job done.
There, I've said it.
He's done some very good things, and he has two promotions and even his time at the other clubs he managed weren't all bad by any stretch. He's made a number of very poor, even nasty personal decisions during his managerial career and the question and concern will always be 1) has he learnt from them?, and 2) is there any chance if things didn't go well that they reoccur? The other thing to consider it's not like he was doing well in the PL and then fell apart. I'd be more concerned by that. Something happened at the club where they went from stuttering along looking like relegation certainties and then everything clicked. Sometimes a number of things need to fall into place for things to click, and that side has never looked back. As much people point to his backroom staff being influential, Pearson deserves credit for what happened if we are to also criticise him for how it all looked before the amazing run they went on.
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If it's Pearson or McCarthy then Pearson wins. Likewise against Bruce. But Moyes is a better .
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If it's Pearson or McCarthy then Pearson wins. Likewise against Bruce. But Moyes is a better .
Is the correct answer.
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Plus if it is Pearson you might as well get him in and let him start killing them now. Why wait.
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Still think it will be Pearson
I've been reading up on Pearson on a Leicester forum and it's certainly opened my eyes to what the man achieved there. Overall it was rare to hear anybody have a bad word to say about him, they pretty much loved him and his record more than stands up for itself. The press do seem to have it in for him and his natural disdain for them made it a pretty predictable outcome. I do wonder how he copes with stress, he takes all the pressure of his players and carries it himself but as the headlines have shown, he looks like he loses it.
Football wise, he actually seems to really know what he's doing. Uses his bench to great effect, great in the transfer window and gets all his players to give 100%. They all seemed to love him too. He may make mistakes but he's a fast learner and those mistakes are never repeated. He'd certainly get us organised from top to bottom, even this squad, as he inherited a similar group of wasters when he took over at Leicester. My only doubt and one raised on the forum was just how well he can cope with the pressure of the Premier League. Right now that's the least of our problems.
Moyes may be a 'name' in football circles but I have serious doubts his ability matches his reputation. Much like MON. More concerning is whether or not he could get us up next season. Given the choice between the two - and I can't believe I'm writing this, I'd feel a lot more confident with Pearson in charge. I actually think he would surprise a lot of people and actually get the job done.
There, I've said it.
Agree with all of that. I think he is a better option than Moyes.
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Plus if it is Pearson you might as well get him in and let him start killing them now. Why wait.
As others have mentioned, why would any manager want a relegation on their CV. As for 'start killing them', I really don't think that's his style. He apparently moves players on with the minimum of fuss, no bitching, no drama, just thank you very much and out the door.
I know Moyes was known at Everton as 'Dithering Dave' for the time he takes to sign players but no idea how he was at moving them on. I just the impression with Moyes, he'll need a few seasons to get us promoted and it will be really dull while we wait. As somebody defending Moyes on an Everton forum put it, "Moyes is not tactically poor, impotent or inept. Far from it. He is, however, tactically boring." At Man Utd he was called a lot worse and even in Spain, he managed just 12 wins in 42 games. Anyway, everything looks like he's heading to Celtic.
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I don't think the Championship is so difficult that any competent manager can get us promoted. I think Moyes would get us promoted first go as would Pearson. Moyes might have a more defined ceiling than Pearson, in that you know we would be very solid after a few years. I don't know what Pearson's ceiling is and he probably has a more evident floor to his ability. Pearson probably has more upside and downside than Moyes is the best way of looking at it.
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I don't think the Championship is so difficult that any competent manager can get us promoted. I think Moyes would get us promoted first go as would Pearson. Moyes might have a more defined ceiling than Pearson, in that you know we would be very solid after a few years. I don't know what Pearson's ceiling is and he probably has a more evident floor to his ability. Pearson probably has more upside and downside than Moyes is the best way of looking at it.
A manager that can get us promoted with this bunch of lazy swines? That would be quite a turnaround.
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
I think we're about to find out.
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If it's Pearson or McCarthy then Pearson wins. Likewise against Bruce. But Moyes is a better .
Is the correct answer.
Curve ball appointment will be Grayson!
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I think the Villa job next season will be the easiest ride in all of football. Remi Garde swallowed the poison chalice down to the last dregs. Whoever comes in will have a board filled with contrition for the treatment Garde got and they will bend over backwards to avoid being seen to be doing it again. Most if not all of the shit in the dressing room will have been moved out, good Championship quality players will be brought back off loan, young players will be blooded, injured players will be available, referees will get off our backs, luck will start to balance itself out and most of the opposition will be infinitely less threatening than Premiership sides.
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for me:
Moyes>Rodgers>Dyche>Pearson>Coleman>Bruce> (add pretty much another 100 other managers here)>Alardyce>McCarthy> (another 1,000 managers)>...Pulis.
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
I hope you're not thinking Pulis Dave? Sometimes, Managers who get sacked have a can't work, cooling off period. Hopefully, this wouldn't make much difference if they were to drop to the Championship.
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
I hope you're not thinking Pulis Dave? Sometimes, Managers who get sacked have a can't work, cooling off period. Hopefully, this wouldn't make much difference if they were to drop to the Championship.
Not even in jest.
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How would we feel if Eric Black was in charge until the summer, when there would be more choice and less compo to pay for anyone who's been sacked?
I hope you're not thinking Pulis Dave? Sometimes, Managers who get sacked have a can't work, cooling off period. Hopefully, this wouldn't make much difference if they were to drop to the Championship.
Not even in jest.
You wanting Moyes Dave? Who would your alternative be?
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Plus if it is Pearson you might as well get him in and let him start killing them now. Why wait.
sure i read somewhere that pearson said he was interested in the job but not until the end of the season
tbh i cant see anything happening until after the arsenal game
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Still think it will be Pearson
I've been reading up on Pearson on a Leicester forum and it's certainly opened my eyes to what the man achieved there. Overall it was rare to hear anybody have a bad word to say about him, they pretty much loved him and his record more than stands up for itself. The press do seem to have it in for him and his natural disdain for them made it a pretty predictable outcome. I do wonder how he copes with stress, he takes all the pressure of his players and carries it himself but as the headlines have shown, he looks like he loses it.
Football wise, he actually seems to really know what he's doing. Uses his bench to great effect, great in the transfer window and gets all his players to give 100%. They all seemed to love him too. He may make mistakes but he's a fast learner and those mistakes are never repeated. He'd certainly get us organised from top to bottom, even this squad, as he inherited a similar group of wasters when he took over at Leicester. My only doubt and one raised on the forum was just how well he can cope with the pressure of the Premier League. Right now that's the least of our problems.
Moyes may be a 'name' in football circles but I have serious doubts his ability matches his reputation. Much like MON. More concerning is whether or not he could get us up next season. Given the choice between the two - and I can't believe I'm writing this, I'd feel a lot more confident with Pearson in charge. I actually think he would surprise a lot of people and actually get the job done.
There, I've said it.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Although tbh, I'm agnostic about how good a job he might do. I'm more concerned about the club associating itself with someone who brags about throttling opposing players.
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Still think it will be Pearson
I've been reading up on Pearson on a Leicester forum and it's certainly opened my eyes to what the man achieved there. Overall it was rare to hear anybody have a bad word to say about him, they pretty much loved him and his record more than stands up for itself. The press do seem to have it in for him and his natural disdain for them made it a pretty predictable outcome. I do wonder how he copes with stress, he takes all the pressure of his players and carries it himself but as the headlines have shown, he looks like he loses it.
Football wise, he actually seems to really know what he's doing. Uses his bench to great effect, great in the transfer window and gets all his players to give 100%. They all seemed to love him too. He may make mistakes but he's a fast learner and those mistakes are never repeated. He'd certainly get us organised from top to bottom, even this squad, as he inherited a similar group of wasters when he took over at Leicester. My only doubt and one raised on the forum was just how well he can cope with the pressure of the Premier League. Right now that's the least of our problems.
Moyes may be a 'name' in football circles but I have serious doubts his ability matches his reputation. Much like MON. More concerning is whether or not he could get us up next season. Given the choice between the two - and I can't believe I'm writing this, I'd feel a lot more confident with Pearson in charge. I actually think he would surprise a lot of people and actually get the job done.
There, I've said it.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Although tbh, I'm agnostic about how good a job he might do. I'm more concerned about the club associating itself with someone who brags about throttling opposing players.
We could do with a manager who throttles some of our own players
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Still think it will be Pearson
I've been reading up on Pearson on a Leicester forum and it's certainly opened my eyes to what the man achieved there. Overall it was rare to hear anybody have a bad word to say about him, they pretty much loved him and his record more than stands up for itself. The press do seem to have it in for him and his natural disdain for them made it a pretty predictable outcome. I do wonder how he copes with stress, he takes all the pressure of his players and carries it himself but as the headlines have shown, he looks like he loses it.
Football wise, he actually seems to really know what he's doing. Uses his bench to great effect, great in the transfer window and gets all his players to give 100%. They all seemed to love him too. He may make mistakes but he's a fast learner and those mistakes are never repeated. He'd certainly get us organised from top to bottom, even this squad, as he inherited a similar group of wasters when he took over at Leicester. My only doubt and one raised on the forum was just how well he can cope with the pressure of the Premier League. Right now that's the least of our problems.
Moyes may be a 'name' in football circles but I have serious doubts his ability matches his reputation. Much like MON. More concerning is whether or not he could get us up next season. Given the choice between the two - and I can't believe I'm writing this, I'd feel a lot more confident with Pearson in charge. I actually think he would surprise a lot of people and actually get the job done.
There, I've said it.
Interesting. The fact that the press or some of the worse elements of the press have the knives out for him doesn't bother me. They have them out for us anyway so it makes no difference.
I just don't want another internal disaster like Keane & whoever the other Lambert assistants were.
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Still think it will be Pearson
I've been reading up on Pearson on a Leicester forum and it's certainly opened my eyes to what the man achieved there. Overall it was rare to hear anybody have a bad word to say about him, they pretty much loved him and his record more than stands up for itself. The press do seem to have it in for him and his natural disdain for them made it a pretty predictable outcome. I do wonder how he copes with stress, he takes all the pressure of his players and carries it himself but as the headlines have shown, he looks like he loses it.
Football wise, he actually seems to really know what he's doing. Uses his bench to great effect, great in the transfer window and gets all his players to give 100%. They all seemed to love him too. He may make mistakes but he's a fast learner and those mistakes are never repeated. He'd certainly get us organised from top to bottom, even this squad, as he inherited a similar group of wasters when he took over at Leicester. My only doubt and one raised on the forum was just how well he can cope with the pressure of the Premier League. Right now that's the least of our problems.
Moyes may be a 'name' in football circles but I have serious doubts his ability matches his reputation. Much like MON. More concerning is whether or not he could get us up next season. Given the choice between the two - and I can't believe I'm writing this, I'd feel a lot more confident with Pearson in charge. I actually think he would surprise a lot of people and actually get the job done.
There, I've said it.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Although tbh, I'm agnostic about how good a job he might do. I'm more concerned about the club associating itself with someone who brags about throttling opposing players.
I more agnostic about his throttling to be honest, if he's capable of sorting us out and delivering a winning team I'll let it slide.
We're due a bit of positive agro, we've played the nice guys long enough, it's someone else's go now.
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Still think it will be Pearson
I've been reading up on Pearson on a Leicester forum and it's certainly opened my eyes to what the man achieved there. Overall it was rare to hear anybody have a bad word to say about him, they pretty much loved him and his record more than stands up for itself. The press do seem to have it in for him and his natural disdain for them made it a pretty predictable outcome. I do wonder how he copes with stress, he takes all the pressure of his players and carries it himself but as the headlines have shown, he looks like he loses it.
Football wise, he actually seems to really know what he's doing. Uses his bench to great effect, great in the transfer window and gets all his players to give 100%. They all seemed to love him too. He may make mistakes but he's a fast learner and those mistakes are never repeated. He'd certainly get us organised from top to bottom, even this squad, as he inherited a similar group of wasters when he took over at Leicester. My only doubt and one raised on the forum was just how well he can cope with the pressure of the Premier League. Right now that's the least of our problems.
Moyes may be a 'name' in football circles but I have serious doubts his ability matches his reputation. Much like MON. More concerning is whether or not he could get us up next season. Given the choice between the two - and I can't believe I'm writing this, I'd feel a lot more confident with Pearson in charge. I actually think he would surprise a lot of people and actually get the job done.
There, I've said it.
Interesting. The fact that the press or some of the worse elements of the press have the knives out for him doesn't bother me. They have them out for us anyway so it makes no difference.
I just don't want another internal disaster like Keane & whoever the other Lambert assistants were.
The same 'press' that rate Sherwood so highly.
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Who would we finish highest under next year? Probably Pearson but I do fear it could bring further embarrassment based on his previous meltdowns. When I left Wembley after our glorious semi final win last year I could never have imagined what was to come, I thought we were on the up!
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Who would we finish highest under next year? Probably Pearson but I do fear it could bring further embarrassment based on his previous meltdowns. When I left Wembley after our glorious semi final win last year I could never have imagined what was to come, I thought we were on the up!
I also wonder how things might have been different if we'd won the Cup? Not that I really expected us too, but still it might have kept a spring in our step going into this season. But trully this has been coming for awhile now. Was never sold on Sherwood long term, and when he was sandled with mostly useless players things got even worse.
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Still think it will be Pearson
I've been reading up on Pearson on a Leicester forum and it's certainly opened my eyes to what the man achieved there. Overall it was rare to hear anybody have a bad word to say about him, they pretty much loved him and his record more than stands up for itself. The press do seem to have it in for him and his natural disdain for them made it a pretty predictable outcome. I do wonder how he copes with stress, he takes all the pressure of his players and carries it himself but as the headlines have shown, he looks like he loses it.
Football wise, he actually seems to really know what he's doing. Uses his bench to great effect, great in the transfer window and gets all his players to give 100%. They all seemed to love him too. He may make mistakes but he's a fast learner and those mistakes are never repeated. He'd certainly get us organised from top to bottom, even this squad, as he inherited a similar group of wasters when he took over at Leicester. My only doubt and one raised on the forum was just how well he can cope with the pressure of the Premier League. Right now that's the least of our problems.
Moyes may be a 'name' in football circles but I have serious doubts his ability matches his reputation. Much like MON. More concerning is whether or not he could get us up next season. Given the choice between the two - and I can't believe I'm writing this, I'd feel a lot more confident with Pearson in charge. I actually think he would surprise a lot of people and actually get the job done.
There, I've said it.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
Although tbh, I'm agnostic about how good a job he might do. I'm more concerned about the club associating itself with someone who brags about throttling opposing players.
I more agnostic about his throttling to be honest, if he's capable of sorting us out and delivering a winning team I'll let it slide.
We're due a bit of positive agro, we've played the nice guys long enough, it's someone else's go now.
There's a differene between not being too nice and being a totally unhinged maniac. Is Pearson really literally the only one out there who could make us better? Do we have to hire him? It makes me a little nauseated, to be honest.
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of course he isn't the only nutjob out there - and I'm confident we won't be hiring him.
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Pearson turned round to his own fans during a match and shouted at them to "fuck off and die".
He's a fucking walking disaster, and the absolute last sort of appointment we need now. I get that softly softly nice guy hasn't worked in its Garde incarnation, but we tried that nasty fucker thing with Roy Keane, too, and that - watching him and Lambert looking like a couple of tramps sat in pools of piss and shit on our bench - was unwatchable shite too.
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of course he isn't the only nutjob out there - and I'm confident we won't be hiring him.
I like your confidence, but christ knows where its coming from given the absolute failure to get just one decision right over the last 5 years
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The point that we are a soft touch is valid and infuriates me. We never dispute refs decisions we never comment on them after the game. We just let every indescrepencie go. We allow opposition players to kick us when they feel like it and no one stands up for thier teammate.
There is absoloutely no fight in this set up.
If it is going to take a Pearson to sort it out so be it.
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The point that we are a soft touch is valid and infuriates me. We never dispute refs decisions we never comment on them after the game. We just let every indescrepencie go. We allow opposition players to kick us when they feel like it and no one stands up for thier teammate.
There is absoloutely no fight in this set up.
If it is going to take a Pearson to sort it out so be it.
They don't give one tenth of one single shit, the bunch of ******. It's so fucking obvious to watch, that is what I hate about this season, not being inept, it's the 'couldn't give a fuck and not afraid to show it' attitude of most of the team.
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Will any non-relegated teams be firing/losing their manager?
Swansea and Everton maybe.
If that's it, what better job than Villa can Moyes expect this summer?
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I was surprised to see Martinez Out banners on the telly today at Everton's game.
I hadn't realised they were doing badly.
Mind you, compared to us, nobody is, really.
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Will any non-relegated managers be firing/losing their manager?
Swansea and Everton maybe.
If that's it, what better job than Villa can Moyes expect this summer?
If Everton are changing manager would Martinez be an option for Villa?
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I was surprised to see Martinez Out banners on the telly today at Everton's game.
I hadn't realised they were doing badly.
Mind you, compared to us, nobody is, really.
My best mate is a Toffeeman. Football is dead to him apparently. FFS.
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I was surprised to see Martinez Out banners on the telly today at Everton's game.
I hadn't realised they were doing badly.
Mind you, compared to us, nobody is, really.
My best mate is a Toffeeman. Football is dead to him apparently. FFS.
We were the same once upon a time. We never knew how lucky we were.
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Will any non-relegated managers be firing/losing their manager?
Swansea and Everton maybe.
If that's it, what better job than Villa can Moyes expect this summer?
Probably waiting to see if Martinez gets the boot - before looking at other options (us)
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I was thinking this afternoon about the Everton view of Moyes posted a couple of weeks ago, how he was negative and defensive and didn't bring youth through. Then later on I saw that Martinez Out banner and how they'll probably be over the moon to welcome him back.
As it stands, Martinez is a much preferable candidate for me than Pearson. But then again, almost any manager is. He would be nothing but a quick, shouty fix, and if this board have got any nous about them (and they have, by the looks of things), they will see that the time for quick shouty fixes was over at about 4.45pm.
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A guy who turned us down to go to Everton when we were a far better prospect coming to manage us after he gets the boot from there? I know we have very little pride left, but i'd like to think he wouldn't be in the running.
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I was surprised to see Martinez Out banners on the telly today at Everton's game.
I hadn't realised they were doing badly.
Mind you, compared to us, nobody is, really.
My best mate is a Toffeeman. Football is dead to him apparently. FFS.
We were the same once upon a time. We never knew how lucky we were.
The Houllier season. Two wins in the last two games put a nice shine on that year. It was nosebleed territory compared to this.
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I was surprised to see Martinez Out banners on the telly today at Everton's game.
I hadn't realised they were doing badly.
Mind you, compared to us, nobody is, really.
Is this the same fans some on here are saying wanted Moyes out?
Before Moyes Everton were floundering for years.
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Aren't Everton in the FA Cup semi final?
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It was interesting to compare the large Moyes majority on here with the narrow Pearson lead amongst people I spoke to at the match.
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I look at the list on the poll above and I despair.
Really?
For Aston Villa?
Nobody, including DM, really excites me or makes me think, 'If we could only get him...'
I'm sorry, but relegation is not an issue with taking the lead at a club like ours. Aston Villa. Poetic, historical, romantic. Global recognition for a start. Massive presence in the UK. Everything to achieve and to establish, again. Tons of goodwill, huge fan base. With the right person and team, this could be absolutely brilliant.
Just hoping that the new Board don't underestimate the football magic and international pulling power that truly is Aston Villa.
Voted for 'other'.
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I look at the list on the poll above and I despair.
Really?
For Aston Villa?
Nobody, including DM, really escites me or makes me think, 'If we could only get him...'
I'm sorry, but relegation is not an issue with taking the lead at a club like ours. Aston Villa. Poetic, historical, romantic. Global recognition for a start. Massive presence in the UK. Everything to achieve and to establish, again. Tons of goodwill, huge fan base. With the right person and team, this could be absolutely brilliant.
Just hoping that the new Board don't underestimate the football magic and international pulling power that truly is Aston Villa.
Voted for 'other'.
Good post.
I still have hopes we can attract a genuinely great manager. Bielsa remains my top choice, whether he would come of course is a differet matter.
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But Lou you're speaking from a position of a fan of the club and someone who cares about our historical standing in the game. Next season we are a Championship football club. It's as simple as that and while our standing will hold some sway the truth is we are coming off many years of decline and now relegation. The names above in many ways reveal who and what we are today.
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I look at the list on the poll above and I despair.
Really?
For Aston Villa?
Nobody, including DM, really excites me or makes me think, 'If we could only get him...'
I'm sorry, but relegation is not an issue with taking the lead at a club like ours. Aston Villa. Poetic, historical, romantic. Global recognition for a start. Massive presence in the UK. Everything to achieve and to establish, again. Tons of goodwill, huge fan base. With the right person and team, this could be absolutely brilliant.
Just hoping that the new Board don't underestimate the football magic and international pulling power that truly is Aston Villa.
Voted for 'other'.
Thanks, you have put into words precisely my feelings.
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It was interesting to compare the large Moyes majority on here with the narrow Pearson lead amongst people I spoke to at the match.
One point which commends the appointment of Pearson is that it would be proof that RL has indeed relinquished control of football decisions. I reckon Pearson is the least likely candidate that RL would sanction.
Most of the fans I spoke to today were in favour of Pearson as well, although I am in P6 and not behind the dugout where one is likely to be told to fuck off and die and possibly even the most brutal method to achieve this directive.
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A Championship club and an owner with a history of dysfunctional decision making whose no longer investing money and has been looking to get out for years. Oh and don't forget what a career killer this jobs been for the last 25 years.
We'll get what we deserve and that's why my monies on that nutter Pearson.
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I realise our standing is somewhat tarnished, Toronto, but that's my point.
It is a fantastic opportunity for a very good manager and team to come in and turn things around.
I'm not interested in just getting a so called Champ 1 specialist. That's thinking too small. I want a renaissance to get us to the CL within a couple of seasons. Maybe three. :)
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It's only a fantastic opportunity Lou if the candidates looking at the job see it that way. My point is we as fans are looking at how big and great Villa can be again. A manager with no ties to the club or history will look to see if it is a good career move. And all of the romanticism is worth little if the "job" doesn't allow that manager to unlock how great Villa has been and can be.
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i do hope the club makes a statement of intent with whoever the new manager ends up being.
I also hope make a verbal statement that says, yes we are going down but we will do everything to ensure to go straight back up, and as champions.
Set ambition and expectation high.
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I'm still refusing to believe they'll appoint Pearson.
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i do hope the club makes a statement of intent with whoever the new manager ends up being.
I also hope make a verbal statement that says, yes we are going down but we will do everything to ensure to go straight back up, and as champions.
Set ambition and expectation high.
Hasn't Bernstein kind of said that, that while relegation isn't good the journey back is ace and something to enjoy? I don't think any of them are planning to spend significant time in the Championship.
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i do hope the club makes a statement of intent with whoever the new manager ends up being.
I also hope make a verbal statement that says, yes we are going down but we will do everything to ensure to go straight back up, and as champions.
Set ambition and expectation high.
Hasn't Bernstein kind of said that, that while relegation isn't good the journey back is ace and something to enjoy? I don't think any of them are planning to spend significant time in the Championship.
Oh great, the relief. I was beginning to detect a pattern resulting in the inexorable spiral towards oblivion.
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There might have been a time when good managers would walk over broken glass to take the Villa job.
Those days are gone, and Moyes or even Pearson will probably hedge their bets and wait to see what else is out there.
There could be three big clubs looking for new managers in the Championship, and far more stable sides than ours in the PL looking for a new guy.
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A well run PL Aston Villa is as attractive a job as there is in football.
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ive only read the last couple of posts, today, the next appointment will signal the strength of commitment of the owner and the understanding of the newly formed board.
we appoint a manager who has potential but no English higher league knowledge then the owner is really not interested in recovering his money, or we appoint a manager with a cv that does state higher English league experience, and such a manager will make demands and will guide the owner/board in how you are successful in the football world. Ive stated for some time who I think would be the Best manager. But the criteria here I think will help, those of us, who will have a flutter in the summer where Villa will be playing our football season, 17/18 because I truly believe we get it wrong again, the drop from the championship to the First is very much within our grasp.
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i do hope the club makes a statement of intent with whoever the new manager ends up being.
I also hope make a verbal statement that says, yes we are going down but we will do everything to ensure to go straight back up, and as champions.
Set ambition and expectation high.
'Set ambition and expectation high'
I agree with these sentiments and hope in this case that they are higher than the names on the list above would suggest.
I know they get into every new manager's first interview. I'm with anyh in hoping that the Board will find and appoint a good'un.
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A well run PL Aston Villa is as attractive a job as there is in football.
Ahhh, those were the days!
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It's only a fantastic opportunity Lou if the candidates looking at the job see it that way. My point is we as fans are looking at how big and great Villa can be again. A manager with no ties to the club or history will look to see if it is a good career move. And all of the romanticism is worth little if the "job" doesn't allow that manager to unlock how great Villa has been and can be.
Yes, the attractive qualities of the job are mitigated by the potential for real change, I see that.
But if the new Board are up to it, that's their call, as I see it.
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A well run PL Aston Villa is as attractive a job as there is in football.
Ahhh, those were the days!
You have to be quite old to recall them SH!
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A well run PL Aston Villa is as attractive a job as there is in football.
Ahhh, those were the days!
You have to be quite old to recall them SH!
SH is very old.
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A well run PL Aston Villa is as attractive a job as there is in football.
Ahhh, those were the days!
Days, as opposed to weeks, months or years in my lifetime.
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I still have hopes we can attract a genuinely great manager. Bielsa remains my top choice, whether he would come of course is a differet matter.
I like Bielsa as well.
I also like Guardiola.
I want to believe our Board are looking at every possibility!
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It'll be the law of diminishing returns... first Pearson... then Bruce... then Warnock... then Davies etc etc...
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It'll be the law of diminishing returns... first Pearson... then Bruce... then Warnock... then Davies etc etc...
Unfortunately. Yes I can see that. but I do think Bruce is the best manager out of that bunch.
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It'll be the law of diminishing returns... first Pearson... then Bruce... then Warnock... then Davies etc etc...
When she's here one thing I've found, things get better second time around.
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.... then its something about lessons that could have been learned .....
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.... then its something about lessons that could have been learned .....
It is.
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It'll be the law of diminishing returns... first Pearson... then Bruce... then Warnock... then Davies etc etc...
When she's here one thing I've found, things get better second time around.
There speaks a legend in Mr Fry. Best album of all time, bar none.
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There might have been a time when good managers would walk over broken glass to take the Villa job.
Those days are gone, and Moyes or even Pearson will probably hedge their bets and wait to see what else is out there.
There could be three big clubs looking for new managers in the Championship, and far more stable sides than ours in the PL looking for a new guy.
I can't see too many Premier League jobs being available in the close season. I think Pulus could well go from Albion, there is the Swansea job and Martinez might leave Everton. Are any of the candidates being touted for our job likely to get those?
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I was surprised to see Martinez Out banners on the telly today at Everton's game.
I hadn't realised they were doing badly.
He's certainly not meeting expectations. 14th in the league and seemingly going backwards every season despite having some of the best attacking talent in the league.
Niasse is an odd one as well. Cost £13m in January and has played 33 minutes of football for them since.
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If he goes would Moyes go back there?
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Martinez could end in at Swansea.
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If he goes would Moyes go back there?
I expect Moyes would be happy with that, but I think they'd be looking for something a bit more fancy with their new investment.
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I still have hopes we can attract a genuinely great manager. Bielsa remains my top choice, whether he would come of course is a differet matter.
I like Bielsa as well.
I also like Guardiola.
I want to believe our Board are looking at every possibility!
You would hope so
But according to Bernstien the other week they are not
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if Moyes had a choice between returning to Everton or managing us, Swansea, WBA et al, he'd be back to the former in a flash. And tbh, I wouldn't blame him.
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Well we could do with someone sooner rather than later as we are becoming a shambolic laughing stock.
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I think if we are going for someone out of work we need them in asap. But we might not be.
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Well we could do with someone sooner rather than later as we are becoming a shambolic laughing stock.
What do you mean "becoming"?
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It's only a fantastic opportunity Lou if the candidates looking at the job see it that way. My point is we as fans are looking at how big and great Villa can be again. A manager with no ties to the club or history will look to see if it is a good career move. And all of the romanticism is worth little if the "job" doesn't allow that manager to unlock how great Villa has been and can be.
my only remit for the next guy is: get us up next season.
Once he's done that, re-assess.
Purely short term outlook I know, but we can't afford to fuck about down there for 3 or 4 seasons, else we'll languish. Get out first time of asking please and then take stock and see if we think said manager can push us up the league. If not, thanks, great job, but NEXT!
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Going short-term has contributed to this mess.
For me it has to be Moyes. In fact it should have been Moyes a long time ago, but obviously this wasn't possible at the time.
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I wonder if the board are waiting to see if Martinez gets the push at seasons end. He could be a decent man to get us back up and stabilised back in the top flight say three or four years.
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Going short-term has contributed to this
No, appointing shit managers and not buying good players caused this mess. None of our recent managers were appointed as short term options. It was just that they turned out to be absolutely shit and had to go. No point keeping bad managers.
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Moyes or Martinez, they've both reportedly turned us down when we were an established PL club with money to spend.
Never in a million years can i see either of these 2 join us at the moment. It'll be Pearson IF he wants it.
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Going short-term has contributed to this
No, appointing shit managers and not buying good players caused this mess. None of our recent managers were appointed as short term options. It was just that they turned out to be absolutely shit and had to go. No point keeping bad managers.
So do you think appointing a good manager but potentially getting rid once we're promoted is the way to go?
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Going short-term has contributed to this
No, appointing shit managers and not buying good players caused this mess. None of our recent managers were appointed as short term options. It was just that they turned out to be absolutely shit and had to go. No point keeping bad managers.
So do you think appointing a good manager but potentially getting rid once we're promoted is the way to go?
Yes, if we get a promotion "specialist" to get us up and he reaches his plateau in the prem then we need to replace him. we have to get out of the championship by whatever means necessary.
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Going short-term has contributed to this
No, appointing shit managers and not buying good players caused this mess. None of our recent managers were appointed as short term options. It was just that they turned out to be absolutely shit and had to go. No point keeping bad managers.
So do you think appointing a good manager but potentially getting rid once we're promoted is the way to go?
Why can't the way to go be "appoint a good manager, get promoted and carry on with that good manager"?
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Warnock anyone? I think Rodgers would be great but doubt he'd come
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Going short-term has contributed to this
No, appointing shit managers and not buying good players caused this mess. None of our recent managers were appointed as short term options. It was just that they turned out to be absolutely shit and had to go. No point keeping bad managers.
So do you think appointing a good manager but potentially getting rid once we're promoted is the way to go?
Why can't the way to go be "appoint a good manager, get promoted and carry on with that good manager"?
Precisely.
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Going short-term has contributed to this mess.
For me it has to be Moyes. In fact it should have been Moyes a long time ago, but obviously this wasn't possible at the time.
i agree Chris, but you're comparing apples with oranges. On the one hand we've got to acknowledge that we quite probably won't get our first choice manager that we might if we were still premiership, but we desperately need to get back up quickly. The man that gets us up quickly, most likely won't be the one to push us up the premier league if we do get up, the season after next.
You're completely right- the time for long term thinking was 2 or 3 years back, but it never happened. Now we're in the smelly stuff and we have to climb out at the earliest opportunity. When/ if it happens, we'll be better placed to assess who can propel us up the league.
For what it's worth, I hate the fact we've gone down, but I see it as a kind of bitter pill that needed to happen so that we can start afresh and get rid of all the shit at the club and then re-build.
Personally, I'm glad it's now done- i.e part 1, now part 2 is get back up. Part 3- climbing the premier league - can only happen after part 2 is done.
It stinks- but it is what it is mate.
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Warnock anyone? I think Rodgers would be great but doubt he'd come
Warnock? Jesus Christ, no! Haven't we suffered enough?
I'd take Rodgers if we couldn't get Moyes though.
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Robbo, it seems that we are not that far apart in our thoughts on this. The only thing I would say is that there is no guarantee that the fan's (as a collective) first choice is the same as the club's. Whoever we get, I doubt we'll know whether they were first choice or not.
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Interviewing more than one candidate would be a good start.
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Warnock anyone? I think Rodgers would be great but doubt he'd come
Warnock? Jesus Christ, no! Haven't we suffered enough?
I'd take Rodgers if we couldn't get Moyes though.
Rotherham aren't suffering and he has got teams out of the chumps.
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Given the state the entire club is in, the only realistic short and medium term aim on the field is to stop the rot. This itself will take a lot of work, and some time, and I think the most we can honestly hope for is to appoint a manager who will be able to (and would be actually doing pretty well) to keep us somewhere between mid-table and the play off places for a couple of seasons. There's no miracle going to happen, and mostly, I suspect, it will be pretty tedious
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Robbo, it seems that we are not that far apart in our thoughts on this. The only thing I would say is that there is no guarantee that the fan's (as a collective) first choice is the same as the club's. Whoever we get, I doubt we'll know whether they were first choice or not.
to clarify- I meant the club's choice, not the fans'
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I'd like someone left field such as Micheal Laudrup, I think he's free at the moment and he did a good job in South Wales
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Pearson's work at Leicester was supported by his assistant managers Craig Shakespeare and Steve Walsh. They are still at Leicester and if Pearson was appointed at Villa Park, I can't see them following him to the Championship from the Premier League champions and the chance to compete in champions league football.
I agree with LeeB above that it would be nice for some horrible bastard to shake things up at VP but without his team backing him up, it's a no to Pearson from me.
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Who signed Vardy and Mahrez? Was it Pearson?
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Who signed Vardy and Mahrez? Was it Pearson?
He was manager when they joined Leicester.
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Robbo, it seems that we are not that far apart in our thoughts on this. The only thing I would say is that there is no guarantee that the fan's (as a collective) first choice is the same as the club's. Whoever we get, I doubt we'll know whether they were first choice or not.
They shouldn't listen to us too much - last time resulted in lambert
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Who signed Vardy and Mahrez? Was it Pearson?
Yes.
Well he was the manager at the time anyway. I have no idea on their transfer set up. Though of course Pearson would undoubtedly take full credit.
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Who signed Vardy and Mahrez? Was it Pearson?
Yes.
Well he was the manager at the time anyway. I have no idea on their transfer set up. Though of course Pearson would undoubtedly take full credit.
Steve Walsh is their Paddy Riley.
So Leicester bringing in (more than) a couple of great bargains while Pearson was manager is no more reason to hire him as Villa manager as spending £9m on Andrej Kramaric while he was manager is reason not to.
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Who signed Vardy and Mahrez? Was it Pearson?
Yes.
Well he was the manager at the time anyway. I have no idea on their transfer set up. Though of course Pearson would undoubtedly take full credit.
Steve Walsh is their Paddy Riley.
So Leicester bringing in (more than) a couple of great bargains while Pearson was manager is no more reason to hire him as Villa manager as spending £9m on Andrej Kramaric while he was manager is reason not to.
Agreed, but I was looking for any crumb of comfort.
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I think it really hits home when you look at the bottom 3. It doesn't matter who you have as manager. If the set up at the club is rotten then they've got no chance. I'm no Benitez fan at all, but he's a decent manager. He's a champions league winner. He's won trophies left, right and centre. I expected him to do better at Newcastle. They do have some ability there but the problem is when everyone high up at the club reeks of Apathy. When no one seems to give two fucks, it filters down to the players. It's rotten. We're the same. Almost all of our players couldn't give two shits. They turn up, jog nonchalantly round the pitch. They ignore their managers and split off into their little cliques and depending on which clique your in, you either sit quietly in the corner and hide away or (in Gabby's clique) strut around like a piss bag as if you own the bloody place.
I think this season you'll see the three right clubs going down. The most deserving. Ourselves, Newcastle and Sunderland will be the three biggest clubs in the 2nd tier. We'll be by far the biggest to have been at that level since we last were ourselves. But we're all being run by shysters and we've all signed too much over the hill drek, combined with mercenaries or just players who aren't good enough. We all have players who don't work hard enough. We all have coasters who do the bare minimum who have represented the club for years, but done so with a decline, year on year in effort.
We fully deserve to go down. If Newcastle or Sunderland make an unlikely escape, it'll be a travesty.
As for next season. This new board has to put things right. We need to make the most of the newly appointed football knowledge. Someone to say that it's not acceptable to have such a cretinous squad. Because otherwise it won't matter who we appoint as manager. We might as well put a can of bake beans in the dugout to oversee our fall to League 1.
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Moyes is yesterday's forgotten dour SM. Cannot understand the clammer to sign him.
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I know this has been years in making, I know this whole season has been appalling, but I hope what's happened over the last few matches hasn't put off some of the potentional names for us next year.
Could you really blame Moyes, Pearson, Rodgers etc for looking at what's going on and saying "I don't want or need any of that"?
Seeing players who are not only useless, but have just given up and have shown no professionalism whatsoever, and thinking they would have to try and motivate them next season.
We'll end up with Neil Warnock or Steve Evans.
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Must admit my thoughts on Moyes being a good assignment are diminishing, another dour Scotsman who has allegedly turned us down before. Is he the right man for a Championship campaign? I'm not so sure.
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We're really going to need to be ruthless. Gary Rowett would be a very good appointment in my view - good manager, promising, up-and-coming, knows the league and would be hilarious to see the looks of confused rage on the faces of our simian neighbours.
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Warnock wouldn't be a bad short term appointment to get up back up. Still think NP is the guy. No brainer.
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Still think NP is the guy. No brainer.
'No brainer' indeed.
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Moyes is yesterday's forgotten dour SM. Cannot understand the clammer to sign him.
My thoughts exactly TonyD.
Way past his sell-by date.
Someone younger, with something to prove, and with the brain/staff to do it.
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Moyes is yesterday's forgotten dour SM. Cannot understand the clammer to sign him.
My thoughts exactly TonyD.
Way past his sell-by date.
Someone younger, with something to prove, and with the brain/staff to do it.
The next Eddie Howe would be nice. Bournemouth looked sharp and played with flair and discipline, two things missing from VP for a good while.
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They also have benefitted from the core of that squad being together for a few years, having success and good player acquisition. You don't need to break the bank to stay up in the PL, or even finish mid table. And apparently this season you don't need to do it to win the damn thing.
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If Moyes is out of the running we will probably go for one of the so called Championship specialists, there are quite a few but these are probably the leading candidates.
Pearson
Dyche
Bruce
McCarthy
Hughton
I think of those 5 I would go for Chris Hughton.
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If we got Hughton in it'd upset the neighbours, some of whom didn't like him because of his skin colour.
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What jobs are going to be available, Us, Newcastle, Swansea, perhaps Everton, West Brom & Sunderland.
Who's suitable for us?
Pearson - a man who would give Trump a run for arrogance, his coaching team is still at Leicester.
Moyes - yesterday's man? Turned us down when we were in a much healthier position.
Bruce - experienced and proven ability to get sides promoted and then relegated.
Rodgers - not stupid enough to even consider us as a option.
Houghton - experienced, harshly treated at Newcastle. Not a big enough character to take on the challenge we offer.
Pullis - no thanks.
There's a risk with each, even with Graham Taylor, his sides were frowned upon for long-ball football. I'm confident that those with the task of finding a new manager now have the experience and knowledge to make the right choice.
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Who signed Vardy and Mahrez? Was it Pearson?
Yes.
Well he was the manager at the time anyway. I have no idea on their transfer set up. Though of course Pearson would undoubtedly take full credit.
Tim Sherwood recommended both to Pearson. Honest. He just doesn't have the bottle to say it right now but give him time.
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I know this has been years in making, I know this whole season has been appalling, but I hope what's happened over the last few matches hasn't put off some of the potentional names for us next year.
Could you really blame Moyes, Pearson, Rodgers etc for looking at what's going on and saying "I don't want or need any of that"?
Seeing players who are not only useless, but have just given up and have shown no professionalism whatsoever, and thinking they would have to try and motivate them next season.
We'll end up with Neil Warnock or Steve Evans.
To be fair Neil Warnock has done an absolutely fantastic job at Rotherham, considering where they were when he took over!
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Rumour via The Snu doing the rounds that Villa are willing to pay £2 million for Bruce.
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I don't like, or want, Warnock, but he is doing a great job at Rotherham. In the bottom 3 when he took over in Feb, now 9 points clear and on an 8 game unbeaten run, W6 D2, the most inform side in the division.
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Moyes is yesterday's forgotten dour SM. Cannot understand the clammer to sign him.
My thoughts exactly TonyD.
Way past his sell-by date.
Someone younger, with something to prove, and with the brain/staff to do it.
The next Eddie Howe would be nice. Bournemouth looked sharp and played with flair and discipline, two things missing from VP for a good while.
That's the one W_V!
Now where the bugger is he?
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I don't like, or want, Warnock, but he is doing a great job at Rotherham. In the bottom 3 when he took over in Feb, now 9 points clear and on an 8 game unbeaten run, W6 D2, the most inform side in the division.
He is.
I was just reading the match report from their game yesterday and came across this quote from him
"It just goes to show what you can do with a good group who want to listen."
True that. Same as Howe with Bournemouth. Not exactly household names or the best players in the league, but good attitudes and work for each other. The absolute opposite of our shower.
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We wouldn't get the next bloody Eddie Howe though would we? We get the next Graham Turner.
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I believe (well I have to) Eddie Howe has submitted his application.
He said: “I feel for Aston villa and I’m sure they will be back.
“No one likes to see anyone struggle and I think their season has been tough for their supporters to take.
“I don’t think you can blame the supporters for their reaction but I’m sure there will be better times ahead in the future.”
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Moyes is yesterday's forgotten dour SM. Cannot understand the clammer to sign him.
My thoughts exactly TonyD.
Way past his sell-by date.
Someone younger, with something to prove, and with the brain/staff to do it.
The next Eddie Howe would be nice. Bournemouth looked sharp and played with flair and discipline, two things missing from VP for a good while.
That's the one W_V!
Now where the bugger is he?
I grant you that Bournemouth seem a thoroughly better proposition than we do right now but ultimately we're a huge club and they'll drop down again in the near future. If not next may, then within a couple of years. I wonder if we can wave a few quid in front of him and tempt him to take the drop. Probably not, but it could be worth a try. That said there may be other premier league jobs that may get waved in front of him in the summer.
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I think where we are at the moment is needing a manager who is too good for the Championship. Eddie Howe clearly was, and I think Dyche with enough resources could be too. Pearson, even without the bluster, I'm unconvinced about, and Bruce clearly can't cut the top division for any length of time. Ditto Hughton.
Unfortunately, if we make the wrong choice now, we may be after a boss who's too good for League One in a couple of years.
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Bruce is a relegation specialist and it would be a terrible appointment if it came to be.
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Trevor Sinclair, Mark Lawrenson and whoever the journo was on 5 Live were all in agreement that Sherwood is a good manager and Villa would have been fine if they'd stuck with him.
It's got to be Sherwood in that case.
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Rumour via The Snu doing the rounds that Villa are willing to pay £2 million for Bruce.
Hull Daily Mail quoting the Sun..
http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Hull-City-TALKING-POINTS-Aston-Villa-pay-Tigers/story-29084653-detail/story.html
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Hard to say Hughton can't cut it, Newcastle binned him while they were 11th after romping division 2, he finished 11th with Norwich and was binned the following season when they were 5 points clear of the drop zone. They ended up relegated. I doubt he'll ever be a great manager but he has held his own in the top flight the few times he's been in it.
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I'd take Warnock. I think he'd stabilise us
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Hard to say Hughton can't cut it, Newcastle binned him while they were 11th after romping division 2, he finished 11th with Norwich and was binned the following season when they were 5 points clear of the drop zone. They ended up relegated. I doubt he'll ever be a great manager but he has held his own in the top flight the few times he's been in it.
He offers far more than Pearson, even when you disregard Pearson's horrible personality.
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I agree that rowett would be a good shout. Don't want bruce
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Hard to say Hughton can't cut it, Newcastle binned him while they were 11th after romping division 2, he finished 11th with Norwich and was binned the following season when they were 5 points clear of the drop zone. They ended up relegated. I doubt he'll ever be a great manager but he has held his own in the top flight the few times he's been in it.
Which is pretty much what we want. We need someone who can take us up next season and the solidify us in the top flight for the next two seasons. We would then hopefully look at bringing in someone who could take us forward from there.
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Hughton would be a good appointment. If we could get him I would take him over Bruce or Pearson.
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I don't want Bruce.
Rowett would be an excellent choice.
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I voted for Moyes but I am not sure now. I don't think Rowett has been around long enough yet, I don't fancy us taking a chance so would prefer plenty of experience. If Bruce is so good at getting relegated teams up why is it looking unlikely this year? it's a tough decision that's for sure. Warnock? If we are bottom at Xmas then yes.
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I can't believe anyone thinks our status had fallen enough to be looking at Neil Warnock.
See also those with the "we need championship level players" (or, in one post today, league one) thing too.
No we don't, we need good players. Buying players of championship level is a quick route to staying in the championship - we need to be getting out of it, not voluntarily becoming the new Leeds.
I appreciate we are going down, but I sometimes think there's a competition on here to see who can wallow the most in our misery.
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Hard to say Hughton can't cut it, Newcastle binned him while they were 11th after romping division 2, he finished 11th with Norwich and was binned the following season when they were 5 points clear of the drop zone. They ended up relegated. I doubt he'll ever be a great manager but he has held his own in the top flight the few times he's been in it.
He offers far more than Pearson, even when you disregard Pearson's horrible personality.
Hughton would be a good appointment I reckon. If we could get him to come to us.
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I can't believe anyone thinks our status had fallen enough to be looking at Neil Warnock.
See also those with the "we need championship level players" (or, in one post today, league one) thing too.
No we don't, we need good players. Buying players of championship level is a quick route to staying in the championship - we need to be getting out of it, not voluntarily becoming the new Leeds.
I appreciate we are going down, but I sometimes think there's a competition on here to see who can wallow the most in our misery.
I appreciate what you are saying but Bernstein has specifically said he is looking at an English manager so there really is no point speculating around that, there are only so many English managers with Premiership and Championship experience and Warnock is one of them.
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Hard to say Hughton can't cut it, Newcastle binned him while they were 11th after romping division 2, he finished 11th with Norwich and was binned the following season when they were 5 points clear of the drop zone. They ended up relegated. I doubt he'll ever be a great manager but he has held his own in the top flight the few times he's been in it.
He offers far more than Pearson, even when you disregard Pearson's horrible personality.
I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion, Dave.
Pearson's record makes an interesting read, not only is he a fire fighter, brought in to clubs struggling, he takes them up the table and pushes them to places they could only have dreamed of. Another trait is the number of records he sets with unbeaten runs. The 21 game unbeaten run at Leicester in their promotional season is hard to ignore, as was there 9 wins on the trot. I like the fact he served his apprenticeship for 10 years, not going for the manager's jobs he was offered until he was ready. The stand out stats for me though are the promotion season in 2013-14 where Leicester finished champions with 102 points, losing only 6 times all season, just two at home. In fact Pearson has a great record of getting his teams to win at home, something we've struggled to do for decades.
Hughton, as I mentioned a few days ago has a more than decent record, I like him but I really don't see what he offers more of than Pearson other than being a very likeable chap.
If we must have an English/British manager, I'd rather we go with Pearson with Gary Rowett as a second choice.
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I can't believe anyone thinks our status had fallen enough to be looking at Neil Warnock.
See also those with the "we need championship level players" (or, in one post today, league one) thing too.
No we don't, we need good players. Buying players of championship level is a quick route to staying in the championship - we need to be getting out of it, not voluntarily becoming the new Leeds.
I appreciate we are going down, but I sometimes think there's a competition on here to see who can wallow the most in our misery.
I agree entirely Paulie. We need to realise that the rest of next season's Championship teams are bricking it at the prospect of Villa, Newcastle and possibly Sunderland coming down. It's time we remembered how massive we are compared to them, and we should start acting a bit more like it.
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I don't think they'll be bricking it at all. A lot of them will be relishing the prospect of playing us.
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We need a longer term appointment here, like Lambert was meant to be I guess...
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I can't believe anyone thinks our status had fallen enough to be looking at Neil Warnock.
See also those with the "we need championship level players" (or, in one post today, league one) thing too.
No we don't, we need good players. Buying players of championship level is a quick route to staying in the championship - we need to be getting out of it, not voluntarily becoming the new Leeds.
I appreciate we are going down, but I sometimes think there's a competition on here to see who can wallow the most in our misery.
I appreciate what you are saying but Bernstein has specifically said he is looking at an English manager so there really is no point speculating around that, there are only so many English managers with Premiership and Championship experience and Warnock is one of them.
Wants English manager with Championship experience = appoint Colin Wanker from Rotherham?
Bit of a jump, that.
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I don't think they'll be bricking it at all. A lot of them will be relishing the prospect of playing us.
I bet they all wanted Newcastle too a few seasons back and most teams just got blown away. Everyone wants to play us now and I don't doubt we'd struggle against a League 2 side. It won't be like that next season and certainly not if we prepared ourselves correctly.
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I don't think they'll be bricking it at all. A lot of them will be relishing the prospect of playing us.
I bet they all wanted Newcastle too a few seasons back and most teams just got blown away. Everyone wants to play us now and I don't doubt we'd struggle against a League 2 side. It won't be like that next season and certainly not if we prepared ourselves correctly.
The last bit of your final sentence is the all important part. There's a lot of work to do, and comparisons with Newcastle of a few years ago don't really hold up.
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I can't believe anyone thinks our status had fallen enough to be looking at Neil Warnock.
See also those with the "we need championship level players" (or, in one post today, league one) thing too.
No we don't, we need good players. Buying players of championship level is a quick route to staying in the championship - we need to be getting out of it, not voluntarily becoming the new Leeds.
I appreciate we are going down, but I sometimes think there's a competition on here to see who can wallow the most in our misery.
I appreciate what you are saying but Bernstein has specifically said he is looking at an English manager so there really is no point speculating around that, there are only so many English managers with Premiership and Championship experience and Warnock is one of them.
Wants English manager with Championship experience = appoint Colin Wanker from Rotherham?
Bit of a jump, that.
I take comfort in the fact that Pulis is ruled out if we insist on an English manager.
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I don't think they'll be bricking it at all. A lot of them will be relishing the prospect of playing us.
I bet they all wanted Newcastle too a few seasons back and most teams just got blown away. Everyone wants to play us now and I don't doubt we'd struggle against a League 2 side. It won't be like that next season and certainly not if we prepared ourselves correctly.
The last bit of your final sentence is the all important part. There's a lot of work to do, and comparisons with Newcastle of a few years ago don't really hold up.
They were abysmal like us. Had a comedy manager in charge, overpaid players who wanted nothing to do with the club, and a board just as useless and chaotic. There are plenty of parallels.
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I doubt there is a single team 'bricking it' at the prospect of facing a no longer prepared Aston Villa.
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Bruce is a relegation specialist and it would be a terrible appointment if it came to be.
Bruce who has admitted Hull are now unlikely to get automatic promotion as their form has collapsed.
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I don't think they'll be bricking it at all. A lot of them will be relishing the prospect of playing us.
I bet they all wanted Newcastle too a few seasons back and most teams just got blown away. Everyone wants to play us now and I don't doubt we'd struggle against a League 2 side. It won't be like that next season and certainly not if we prepared ourselves correctly.
The last bit of your final sentence is the all important part. There's a lot of work to do, and comparisons with Newcastle of a few years ago don't really hold up.
They were abysmal like us. Had a comedy manager in charge, overpaid players who wanted nothing to do with the club, and a board just as useless and chaotic. There are plenty of parallels.
Didn't they keep most of their squad together though ? If we do that we wont be returning at the first attempt.
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I don't think they'll be bricking it at all. A lot of them will be relishing the prospect of playing us.
I bet they all wanted Newcastle too a few seasons back and most teams just got blown away. Everyone wants to play us now and I don't doubt we'd struggle against a League 2 side. It won't be like that next season and certainly not if we prepared ourselves correctly.
The last bit of your final sentence is the all important part. There's a lot of work to do, and comparisons with Newcastle of a few years ago don't really hold up.
They were abysmal like us. Had a comedy manager in charge, overpaid players who wanted nothing to do with the club, and a board just as useless and chaotic. There are plenty of parallels.
Indeed - that year they went down, they were managed by Kevin Keegan, Joe Fucking Kinnear and Alan Shearer.
That's about as comedic as it gets - they were every bit as big a basket case as we have been for the last few years. They too had a squad choc full of players who couldn't have given a flying fuck.
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I don't think they'll be bricking it at all. A lot of them will be relishing the prospect of playing us.
I bet they all wanted Newcastle too a few seasons back and most teams just got blown away. Everyone wants to play us now and I don't doubt we'd struggle against a League 2 side. It won't be like that next season and certainly not if we prepared ourselves correctly.
The last bit of your final sentence is the all important part. There's a lot of work to do, and comparisons with Newcastle of a few years ago don't really hold up.
They were abysmal like us. Had a comedy manager in charge, overpaid players who wanted nothing to do with the club, and a board just as useless and chaotic. There are plenty of parallels.
Didn't they keep most of their squad together though ? If we do that we wont be returning at the first attempt.
They did. My point being Newcastle fans were probably saying exactly the same thing at the time. That they needed wholesale changes. And I bet they were hardly tickled pink by Hughton becoming their manager tasked with bringing them back up. Yet somehow he galvanized them to piss the division. I'm not so naive to think we would do the same but we need to get out of this season get a good manager in who won't divide and alienate these players. We are not getting rid of all of them, so whoever comes in will need to make this group play as a unit. It's not an impossible task.
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I don't think they'll be bricking it at all. A lot of them will be relishing the prospect of playing us.
I bet they all wanted Newcastle too a few seasons back and most teams just got blown away. Everyone wants to play us now and I don't doubt we'd struggle against a League 2 side. It won't be like that next season and certainly not if we prepared ourselves correctly.
The last bit of your final sentence is the all important part. There's a lot of work to do, and comparisons with Newcastle of a few years ago don't really hold up.
They were abysmal like us. Had a comedy manager in charge, overpaid players who wanted nothing to do with the club, and a board just as useless and chaotic. There are plenty of parallels.
Didn't they keep most of their squad together though ? If we do that we wont be returning at the first attempt.
They wanted to shift most of them.
Look at some of the horrific shit on this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_Newcastle_United_F.C._season
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I don't think they'll be bricking it at all. A lot of them will be relishing the prospect of playing us.
I bet they all wanted Newcastle too a few seasons back and most teams just got blown away. Everyone wants to play us now and I don't doubt we'd struggle against a League 2 side. It won't be like that next season and certainly not if we prepared ourselves correctly.
The last bit of your final sentence is the all important part. There's a lot of work to do, and comparisons with Newcastle of a few years ago don't really hold up.
They were abysmal like us. Had a comedy manager in charge, overpaid players who wanted nothing to do with the club, and a board just as useless and chaotic. There are plenty of parallels.
Didn't they keep most of their squad together though ? If we do that we wont be returning at the first attempt.
They wanted to shift most of them.
Look at some of the horrific shit on this list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008%E2%80%9309_Newcastle_United_F.C._season
Didn't they have something like four or five players on over £100,000 a week as well? I heard a Newcastle fan on 606 saying that Taylor and Coloccini was the CB partnership that season and unbelievably it is the partnership they find themselves with now. Echoes of us there, with players dropped years ago for not being good enough finding their way back into the side time and time again.
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I see N'Zogbia was in that Newcastle squad. Maybe his attitude is infectious?
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At least Villa are getting relegated without a manager.
Unlike Newcastle and Sunderland with their world class managers Benitez and Allardyce
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However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.
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Reading this thread I honest wonder if there is an inside joke going on that I don't get. People seem to be saying that Neil Warnock, Mick McCarthy et al would be good appointments for Aston Villa?
A few more pages and people will be coming round to the idea of Joe Kinnear being just what we need to stabilise us and get the best of the squad.
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At least Villa are getting relegated without a manager.
Unlike Newcastle and Sunderland with their world class managers Benitez and Allardyce
Look how much Newcastle spent in January too. I think the horse had bolted by the time the January window opened so I can understand the situation not to spend. The proviso is that there's money available to rebuild in the summer - Newcastle might not be in that position now.
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Reading this thread I honest wonder if there is an inside joke going on that I don't get. People seem to be saying that Neil Warnock, Mick McCarthy et al would be good appointments for Aston Villa?
A few more pages and people will be coming round to the idea of Joe Kinnear being just what we need to stabilise us and get the best of the squad.
Joe won't come to us. Not with the great Charles Insomnia leaving us in May.
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Reading this thread I honest wonder if there is an inside joke going on that I don't get. People seem to be saying that Neil Warnock, Mick McCarthy et al would be good appointments for Aston Villa?
A few more pages and people will be coming round to the idea of Joe Kinnear being just what we need to stabilise us and get the best of the squad.
Id take both before Bruce
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At least Villa are getting relegated without a manager.
Unlike Newcastle and Sunderland with their world class managers Benitez and Allardyce
Look how much Newcastle spent in January too. I think the horse had bolted by the time the January window opened so I can understand the situation not to spend. The proviso is that there's money available to rebuild in the summer - Newcastle might not be in that position now.
Their squad is going to get decimated. Rats will be jumping ship, left, right and center and they may not have the money to do much to rebuild. We are a complete mess but Newcastle are even more of a circus than we are. They will probably fall harder.
The important thing for us is that the new board starts making sensible decisions and turning us around. I'm hoping that our academy, which is better than Sunderland and Newcastle's, might give us a leg up. But it's the signings we make to integrate with our youngsters which will be key.
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Who has said Warnock would be a good appointment? You make it sound like loads have said they want him. There is a massive difference between saying in his defence he is doing a great job at Rotherham and saying I want him as Aston Villa manager.
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I'd take Warnock. I think he'd stabilise us
You are joking ....... aren't you ....... aren't you!!
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I'd take Warnock. I think he'd stabilise us
You are joking ....... aren't you ....... aren't you!!
No , can't stand Bruce the only worse option than him for me would be Pulis
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Bruce is a relegation specialist and it would be a terrible appointment if it came to be.
Bruce who has admitted Hull are now unlikely to get automatic promotion as their form has collapsed.
If Steve "Fuckface" Bruce becomes our manager I will struggle to muster any enthusiasm or desire to watch his team.
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Choosing between Warnock and Pulis is like being asked if you want to be hit in the balls with a hammer or a baseball bat.
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The important thing for us is that the new board starts making sensible decisions and turning us around. I'm hoping that our academy, which is better than Sunderland and Newcastle's, might give us a leg up. But it's the signings we make to integrate with our youngsters which will be key.
We will not be able to go out and buy a new squad due to the cost and the block it would put on the ambition of the young players. You are right in that we are going to have to bring through quite a few from the U21's and look at the right type of players to bring in that will work with them.
It is therefore essential that a manager that can work with young players and develop them is brought in. What we do not need is a manager that only goes out and buys players. That is short term and will be no good for the club in the long run. The usual formula for developing a young side is to get a manager the young players can relate to or a very good coach that they will respect. I do not see those traits in many of the managers discussed so far.
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However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.
Again though you are looking at it from a Villa fan perspective, and all I am saying is Newcastle fans thought precisely that about their lot at the time. Yet their rag tag lot walked the division. I don't believe that our players are as bad as they have shown, but they need help from some new players and a fresh start with a manager that is going to unite them.
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However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.
Again though you are looking at it from a Villa fan perspective, and all I am saying is Newcastle fans thought precisely that about their lot at the time. Yet their rag tag lot walked the division. I don't believe that our players are as bad as they have shown, but they need help from some new players and a fresh start with a manager that is going to unite them.
I'd agree with that. If Moyes isn't available, Chris Hughton would be a good call.
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I'm coming round to Hughton especially his record in the Championship. He has a very calm demeanour about him that we could do with at the club, and while Garde had that, what he didn't do is unite the group. Something we desperately needed post Sherwood. I do wonder though why he keeps going from job to job? You'd think he was competent enough to stay in one place for a decent length of time even if you accept his ceiling in the PL is mid table at best.
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There's only likely to be any chance of this happening if his current club doesn't get promoted this season, but I think Chris Hughton would be a really good appointment; a very safe pair of hands, he has knowledge and experience of managing in both the championship and premier league, and of the pressures of managing a 'big' club and all that goes with it.
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You can have a strong character without having to shout and bawl. Garde always struck me as being very weak.
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Hughton I can see being perfectly okay, but I can't help but feel that the club needs less stabilising than a complete top-to-bottom renovation. Hughton's a very steady kind of manager, and I'd worry that steadiness might turn into stagnation.
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Do you not think Hughton will look at McLeish's time here and think 'no thanks'?
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Hughton I can see being perfectly okay, but I can't help but feel that the club needs less stabilising than a complete top-to-bottom renovation. Hughton's a very steady kind of manager, and I'd worry that steadiness might turn into stagnation.
That's probably why he doesn't remain in a job for too long. That he has enough ability to get the players playing to a certain level and then they plateau. I suppose it is what separates the good and very good managers. Bruce or McCarthy are the same, but arguably worse. They can get a side promoted but you know before long things will go shit shaped. Maybe we need to adopt the Southampton approach or recently West Ham where we get up, settled and then go to someone to push us on again.
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However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.
Again though you are looking at it from a Villa fan perspective, and all I am saying is Newcastle fans thought precisely that about their lot at the time. Yet their rag tag lot walked the division. I don't believe that our players are as bad as they have shown, but they need help from some new players and a fresh start with a manager that is going to unite them.
Prior to their relegation, Newcastle hadn't even been involved in a battle against the drop since their previous promotion in 1993. They'd never finished below fourteenth in that period. It seems likely they'd have survived if not for one awful season in which the fuckwittery of appointing managers based on Geordieness rather than ability saw them relegated. Even then, they only went down by a point.
Our relegation, by contrast, is after half a decade of just about surviving, culminating in a relegation with an embarrassing points total.
There is no comparison between their side that went down and straight back up and our shower of shite.
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However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.
Again though you are looking at it from a Villa fan perspective, and all I am saying is Newcastle fans thought precisely that about their lot at the time. Yet their rag tag lot walked the division. I don't believe that our players are as bad as they have shown, but they need help from some new players and a fresh start with a manager that is going to unite them.
Prior to their relegation, Newcastle hadn't even been involved in a battle against the drop since their previous promotion in 1993. They'd never finished below fourteenth in that period. It seems likely they'd have survived if not for one awful season in which the fuckwittery of appointing managers based on Geordieness rather than ability saw them relegated. Even then, they only went down by a point.
Our relegation, by contrast, is after half a decade of just about surviving, culminating in a relegation with a an embarrassing points total.
There is no comparison between their side that went down and straight back up and our shower of shite.
So they went from being perfectly average to getting relegated? That's a special kind of shit as opposed to our gradual decline. What happened to them shouldn't have happened but it did. Getting relegated is getting relegated and a lot of things have to go wrong over 38 games for it to actually happen. And conversely when you have the players over that span of time to fix it and it doesn't happen the problems are every bit as real as those we are facing.
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The one advantage to Hughton is that he's already stood in a dug out with a massive crowd baying for results. It's an interesting choice.
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The one advantage to Hughton is that he's already stood in a dug out with a massive crowd baying for results. It's an interesting choice.
It is. He would have taken control in very much similar circumstances and within short order he had the club and fans behind him. We could do with a bit of that. He'd be solid appointment without much fanfare. Not inspirational but he could be someone who could work this out.
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Do you not think Hughton will look at McLeish's time here and think 'no thanks'?
I think Hughton's been away from that lot long enough not to be thought of as particularly ex-Them by all but the daftest of our support.
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My first choice is Moyes, admittedly without a great deal of enthusiasm, but my second choice is rapidly becoming Anyone But Him - "Him" being the grottier selections currently being touted around - which is a bad place for me/us to be in.
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However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.
Again though you are looking at it from a Villa fan perspective, and all I am saying is Newcastle fans thought precisely that about their lot at the time. Yet their rag tag lot walked the division. I don't believe that our players are as bad as they have shown, but they need help from some new players and a fresh start with a manager that is going to unite them.
Prior to their relegation, Newcastle hadn't even been involved in a battle against the drop since their previous promotion in 1993. They'd never finished below fourteenth in that period. It seems likely they'd have survived if not for one awful season in which the fuckwittery of appointing managers based on Geordieness rather than ability saw them relegated. Even then, they only went down by a point.
Our relegation, by contrast, is after half a decade of just about surviving, culminating in a relegation with an embarrassing points total.
There is no comparison between their side that went down and straight back up and our shower of shite.
Well, there obviously is a comparison there as they are both relegated sides. The particularly telling comparison is that both clubs have had abysmal leadership.
Nor really sure what the relevance is of going back to 1993 either?
It doesn't really make any difference that we have struggled for four years. We are a shit side and so were Newcastle when they went down - and they are this season too.
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I'm coming round to Hughton especially his record in the Championship. He has a very calm demeanour about him that we could do with at the club, and while Garde had that, what he didn't do is unite the group. Something we desperately needed post Sherwood. I do wonder though why he keeps going from job to job? You'd think he was competent enough to stay in one place for a decent length of time even if you accept his ceiling in the PL is mid table at best.
dont think Norwich are any better now than when they got rid of him
He signed a couple of turkeys at Norwich that counted against him, Van Wolfswinkle and Hooper
Newcastle should never have got rid of him, it was rumoured he was too close to players Ashley wanted rid of - Nolan, Carroll etc
Dont be expecting free flowing football but id take not being rolled over at the first sign of a battle next season as a starting point
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If McLeish was any good the whole Nose thing would have been quickly forgotten. Though I take the point he came directly from them having just been the manager of their relegation, thus making it an even more insane decision.
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I'm coming round to Hughton especially his record in the Championship. He has a very calm demeanour about him that we could do with at the club, and while Garde had that, what he didn't do is unite the group. Something we desperately needed post Sherwood. I do wonder though why he keeps going from job to job? You'd think he was competent enough to stay in one place for a decent length of time even if you accept his ceiling in the PL is mid table at best.
dont think Norwich are any better now than when they got rid of him
He signed a couple of turkeys at Norwich that counted against him, Van Wolfswinkle and Hooper
Newcastle should never have got rid of him, it was rumoured he was too close to players Ashley wanted rid of - Nolan, Carroll etc
Dont be expecting free flowing football but id take not being rolled over at the first sign of a battle next season as a starting point
He's done a very nice job at Brighton on limited resources too.
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Do you not think Hughton will look at McLeish's time here and think 'no thanks'?
I think Hughton's been away from that lot long enough not to be thought of as particularly ex-Them by all but the daftest of our support.
About the same length of time as the gap between Peter Withe leaving them and joining us as a player. So, likewise, If Hughton was successful at Villa his time there would be buried in the mists of time
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I don't want Hughton, he's the sort the crowd would turn on too quickly, we need someone strong, with a real chance of staying in the job. Moyes for me.
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Houghton , Bruce or Moyes. Please god No!!! In the end it will be a choice we all missed. Like Hughes or Gary Mac.
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If McLeish was any good the whole Nose thing would have been quickly forgotten. Though I take the point he came directly from them having just been the manager of their relegation, thus making it an even more insane decision.
Keep saying this but for me, if mcleish had been a really good manager rather than a grim doom merchant, taking him from them would have been a bonus.
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If McLeish was any good the whole Nose thing would have been quickly forgotten. Though I take the point he came directly from them having just been the manager of their relegation, thus making it an even more insane decision.
Keep saying this but for me, if mcleish had been a really good manager rather than a grim doom merchant, taking him from them would have been a bonus.
Had he been really good they wouldn't have been relegated off course, and a bigger bonus that we did take him. As it was...
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If McLeish was any good the whole Nose thing would have been quickly forgotten. Though I take the point he came directly from them having just been the manager of their relegation, thus making it an even more insane decision.
Keep saying this but for me, if mcleish had been a really good manager rather than a grim doom merchant, taking him from them would have been a bonus.
If we hired Rowett I think the fan reaction would be pretty positive.
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With manager, we seem to go for the opposite of the last. The opposite of the calm and intelligent Garde would be an uncontrollable nutter like Pearson.
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If McLeish was any good the whole Nose thing would have been quickly forgotten. Though I take the point he came directly from them having just been the manager of their relegation, thus making it an even more insane decision.
Keep saying this but for me, if mcleish had been a really good manager rather than a grim doom merchant, taking him from them would have been a bonus.
If we hired Rowett I think the fan reaction would be pretty positive.
I think both Hughton and Rowett are good candidates for the here and now. It's unfortunate that the Blues board are capable of making good appointments but both know the league and organise their sides in such a way that they get the most of them and have been pushing for promotion when they really shouldn't have been. It's a nice bonus that Rowett's a Villa fan so probably couldn't get here fast enough.
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However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.
Again though you are looking at it from a Villa fan perspective, and all I am saying is Newcastle fans thought precisely that about their lot at the time. Yet their rag tag lot walked the division. I don't believe that our players are as bad as they have shown, but they need help from some new players and a fresh start with a manager that is going to unite them.
Prior to their relegation, Newcastle hadn't even been involved in a battle against the drop since their previous promotion in 1993. They'd never finished below fourteenth in that period. It seems likely they'd have survived if not for one awful season in which the fuckwittery of appointing managers based on Geordieness rather than ability saw them relegated. Even then, they only went down by a point.
Our relegation, by contrast, is after half a decade of just about surviving, culminating in a relegation with an embarrassing points total.
There is no comparison between their side that went down and straight back up and our shower of shite.
That's what I was thinking. No stats to back it up but I feel teams who drop after one horror season have far more chance of a return. We have long since forgotten how to win (and even how to draw!). Hope I am so wrong but I think it will be 3 years plus.
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A complete overhaul of the first team squad is needed and we will be left with about 4-5 players possibly grealish gestede Clark Lyden green okore with baker coming back off loan the rest farmed out or snapped up.
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However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.
Again though you are looking at it from a Villa fan perspective, and all I am saying is Newcastle fans thought precisely that about their lot at the time. Yet their rag tag lot walked the division. I don't believe that our players are as bad as they have shown, but they need help from some new players and a fresh start with a manager that is going to unite them.
Prior to their relegation, Newcastle hadn't even been involved in a battle against the drop since their previous promotion in 1993. They'd never finished below fourteenth in that period. It seems likely they'd have survived if not for one awful season in which the fuckwittery of appointing managers based on Geordieness rather than ability saw them relegated. Even then, they only went down by a point.
Our relegation, by contrast, is after half a decade of just about surviving, culminating in a relegation with an embarrassing points total.
There is no comparison between their side that went down and straight back up and our shower of shite.
Well, there obviously is a comparison there as they are both relegated sides. The particularly telling comparison is that both clubs have had abysmal leadership.
Nor really sure what the relevance is of going back to 1993 either?
It doesn't really make any difference that we have struggled for four years. We are a shit side and so were Newcastle when they went down - and they are this season too.
There was no relevance in going back to 1993. I just mentioned that they had never been in a relegation scrap and the stat-obsessive in me felt the urge to mention the year.
They shouldn't have been facing the drop, and any vaguely competent manager would probably have kept them up. It's no surprise, therefore, they that when they appointed a vaguely competent manager they got promoted easily.
We've been shite for years and there is o evidence that we'll stop being shit next season or anytime soon.
At the risk of going all SaundersHeroes, those that think we're in with a good chance of promotion, let alone pissing the league like Newcastle did, are likely to be disappointed.
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So how about now? They employed the former England manager and now have the former manager of Liverpool and Real Madrid and are still utterly bollocks. They have had significantly more qualified stewardship and investment and are marginally better, and on current form almost as bad.
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Still think Nigel Pearson is the guy to sort this horrible mess out. Look at 'his' Leicester team now. They fight and challenge like 'lions'. He's got a point to prove.
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Now? They're still nine points clear of us having played a game fewer. Even with their incompetent buffoon of an owner they still make a lot more money than us every year and so are more likely to have the resources to invest/hold on to the few stars they currently have. They've just announced a £30 million profit while we make losses every year.
The one thing in our favour is that they (apparently) haven't built automatic relegation wage drops into their player contracts.
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I don't know that Pearson would have done this but the momentum they had from the end of last season carried into this. Ranieri in the end was the perfect bloke to add to the good feeling around the club (football related, not off the field stuff), and he has nudged it along beautifully. Pearson certainly played his part in getting it going and bringing in a lot of the players who are stars today. And they added really well in the summer too. The point about Pearson having a point to prove is interesting.
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Now? They're still nine points clear of us having played a game fewer. Even with their incompetent buffoon of an owner they still make a lot more money than us every year and so are more likely to have the resources to invest/hold on to the few stars they currently have.
The one thing in our favour is that they (apparently) haven't built automatic relegation wage drops into their player contracts.
They should be having spent a net 80m and not having Sherwood followed by Garde, instead McLaren followed by Benitez. The fact they aren't more points ahead shows the depths of their issues. And funny now that Benitez is saying about their players exactly what Garde was saying about ours. That they look anxious, mentally shot and lacking any belief or confidence.
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However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.
Again though you are looking at it from a Villa fan perspective, and all I am saying is Newcastle fans thought precisely that about their lot at the time. Yet their rag tag lot walked the division. I don't believe that our players are as bad as they have shown, but they need help from some new players and a fresh start with a manager that is going to unite them.
Prior to their relegation, Newcastle hadn't even been involved in a battle against the drop since their previous promotion in 1993. They'd never finished below fourteenth in that period. It seems likely they'd have survived if not for one awful season in which the fuckwittery of appointing managers based on Geordieness rather than ability saw them relegated. Even then, they only went down by a point.
Our relegation, by contrast, is after half a decade of just about surviving, culminating in a relegation with an embarrassing points total.
There is no comparison between their side that went down and straight back up and our shower of shite.
Well, there obviously is a comparison there as they are both relegated sides. The particularly telling comparison is that both clubs have had abysmal leadership.
Nor really sure what the relevance is of going back to 1993 either?
It doesn't really make any difference that we have struggled for four years. We are a shit side and so were Newcastle when they went down - and they are this season too.
There was no relevance in going back to 1993. I just mentioned that they had never been in a relegation scrap and the stat-obsessive in me felt the urge to mention the year.
They shouldn't have been facing the drop, and any vaguely competent manager would probably have kept them up. It's no surprise, therefore, they that when they appointed a vaguely competent manager they got promoted easily.
We've been shite for years and there is o evidence that we'll stop being shit next season or anytime soon.
At the risk of going all SaundersHeroes, those that think we're in with a good chance of promotion, let alone pissing the league like Newcastle did, are likely to be disappointed.
And Newcastle have been the epitome of badly run basket case club for years now.
Don't get me wrong, I too do not think we're going to magically bounce straight back, but I don't really see anything in that Newcastle side that went down in 2009 that we don't have in our squad now.
Yes, it's going to take a decent manager who knows what he's doing, but that goes without saying.
Having said there's no guarantee we are going to piss anything, and without going all Ads on this (he of the supreme confidence in our return), I do think that some of us really are looking ahead to the next disaster before we've finished handling this one.
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I think it was Laurie Whitwell (journo who writes about the NE clubs) who said that Newcastle had nothing to worry about as long as they stayed up. He didn't go into too much detail as it was a Twitter quotathon but it implied that relegation wouldn't be easy to digest financially.
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Heard fat Sam's name mentioned yesterday
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There were a group of blokes in the Bartons yesterday who agreed with me that Mick McCarthy would be a terrible choice of manager, but when I said that we may as well appoint Neil Warnock if we're looking at McCarthy, one of them told me "Oh, we like Warnock."
There's crazy people everywhere.
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Hard to say Hughton can't cut it, Newcastle binned him while they were 11th after romping division 2, he finished 11th with Norwich and was binned the following season when they were 5 points clear of the drop zone. They ended up relegated. I doubt he'll ever be a great manager but he has held his own in the top flight the few times he's been in it.
He offers far more than Pearson, even when you disregard Pearson's horrible personality.
I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion, Dave.
Pearson's record makes an interesting read, not only is he a fire fighter, brought in to clubs struggling, he takes them up the table and pushes them to places they could only have dreamed of. Another trait is the number of records he sets with unbeaten runs. The 21 game unbeaten run at Leicester in their promotional season is hard to ignore, as was there 9 wins on the trot. I like the fact he served his apprenticeship for 10 years, not going for the manager's jobs he was offered until he was ready. The stand out stats for me though are the promotion season in 2013-14 where Leicester finished champions with 102 points, losing only 6 times all season, just two at home. In fact Pearson has a great record of getting his teams to win at home, something we've struggled to do for decades.
Hughton, as I mentioned a few days ago has a more than decent record, I like him but I really don't see what he offers more of than Pearson other than being a very likeable chap.
If we must have an English/British manager, I'd rather we go with Pearson with Gary Rowett as a second choice.
Well, if we say that each of them have one solid achievement, winning the Championship, both with (a nice aid for comparison of) 102 points. Both sides kept a side in the Premier League, Hughton more comfortably in 11th with Norwich, Pearson with an excellent late run getting Leicester to 14th. Let's charitably (for Pearson) call that a draw.
So if we take our the last two seasons for Pearson (those two above), what else is on his CV? Getting Leicester out of League One with the capacity to outspend everybody else, followed by four seasons in the Championship with two of the wealthiest sides finishing anywhere between 5th and 11th. Not exactly anything that elevates him above any other manager as far as I can see.
Hughton's seasons other than the two compared above - taking a basket-case Birmingham side to fourth, being fired from Norwich when they were five points clear of Premier League safety, joining Brighton while in the relegation-zone mid-season and taking them out of it and to safety, and so far in his one full season with them has them in third in the league having spent far less than any of the other teams in the top five.
So to the flip your question on it's head (given that none of the above factors in the fact that one as you say seems like a good person and the other seems like a horrible, unhinged bully), what do you feel given their records up to now means that Pearson is a better option than Hughton? From what I can see, at absolute best we're talking about par between the two of them.
And I'm not particularly fussed about having Hughton. Just fussed that we don't have a nasty, toxic shit like Pearson associated with us when there are plenty of other people who are just as competent without his ugliness.
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Hughton would be a very good pick up for the championship.
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Short term thinking is, largely, what has landed us in the mess we currently find ourselves in. We need somebody who understands how to succeed in the lower leagues but with the drive and ambition to manage at the highest level. Look how well Howe is doing at Bournemouth, a brave appointment in the same vein would be something that excites me. Monk will have learnt many lessons from his time at Swansea in the Prem, coupled with his time as captain at the same club in the lower league gives him a good insight into the realities we wil be facing next season. That's not to say that he is the answer but more the type of person we should be looking at.
Defintely a British manager, or at least somebody with a good history in the English leagues, and maybe somebody without the preconceptions that a Moyes type manager would bring to the club.
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I'm another whom thinks Hughton could be a decent fit for us.He handled some big reputations,whom had collectively failed, within that basket case of a Newcastle club ..They had lost a few of the bigger hitters like Owen and he managed to rekindle that squad and integrate some of them whom had not been involved much in the previous season,like Carroll.
The Blues looked like they'd tumble through the divisions as the full knowledge of the hairdressers modus operandi became apparent.The players bailed out on mass at the start. He made the play offs.
Brighton to me still look as if they could sneak the automatic
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I've been backing Hughton since the start of the start of this thread.
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However comical Newcastle were, they weren't in the same universe of shitness as we are now. They had just enough to build on and turn around. We have to start from the basement up. And after five years of getting almost everything wrong, we suddenly have to start getting most things right, while every ragtag outfit in the league lines up to have a pop. That's going to be some turnaround.
Again though you are looking at it from a Villa fan perspective, and all I am saying is Newcastle fans thought precisely that about their lot at the time. Yet their rag tag lot walked the division. I don't believe that our players are as bad as they have shown, but they need help from some new players and a fresh start with a manager that is going to unite them.
Prior to their relegation, Newcastle hadn't even been involved in a battle against the drop since their previous promotion in 1993. They'd never finished below fourteenth in that period. It seems likely they'd have survived if not for one awful season in which the fuckwittery of appointing managers based on Geordieness rather than ability saw them relegated. Even then, they only went down by a point.
Our relegation, by contrast, is after half a decade of just about surviving, culminating in a relegation with an embarrassing points total.
There is no comparison between their side that went down and straight back up and our shower of shite.
Well, there obviously is a comparison there as they are both relegated sides. The particularly telling comparison is that both clubs have had abysmal leadership.
Nor really sure what the relevance is of going back to 1993 either?
It doesn't really make any difference that we have struggled for four years. We are a shit side and so were Newcastle when they went down - and they are this season too.
It makes all the difference that it's been going on for five years. The culture of failure and unprofessionalism is something that permeates almost every facet of the club, certainly where playing matters are concerned. The culmination of which means the expectation isn't just to lose, but by how many.
The players try even less than Newcastle's mercenaries, both the current tools and the 2008/9 chancers. For us, it's humiliation after humiliation. The only remaining pride exists in the stands, although there are some young fans who can't remember anything other than scrabbling around at the bottom of the table. That's a very, very tough thing to bounce back from.
It will take the entire club to pull together, and at the moment it's in total disarray. The new manager is going to have to convince whoever is left that from August we'll somehow be a different club than the one that habitually accepted failure, in fact gave up completely, just a few months ago.
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If Nigel Pearson walked into Villa Park tomorrow he won't give a shit about the culture. Neither would Moyes. He'd be greeted by Hollis, the new board and told hold amazing the place can be again. He'd meet the players and would tell them in August to forget about the previous season because there's nothing that can be done. Along with new players he brings in they can make changes to the current without it being affected by any residual culture. It's not like a new manger or players would arrive at Villa and the weeds are growing, the lights don't work, the paint is peeling off the walls due to some neglect. They will be met by a sensational stadium and a new board looking very much to put things right quickly. Get a few wins and things change very quickly.
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Extra kudos to Hughton too for bailing on that lot the minute he had the opportunity.
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If Nigel Pearson walked into Villa Park tomorrow he won't give a shit about the culture. Neither would Moyes. He'd be greeted by Hollis, the new board and told hold amazing the place can be again. He'd meet the players and would tell them in August to forget about the previous season because there's nothing that can be done. Along with new players he brings in they can make changes to the current without it being affected by any residual culture. It's not like a new manger or players would arrive at Villa and the weeds are growing, the lights don't work, the paint is peeling off the walls due to some neglect. They will be met by a sensational stadium and a new board looking very much to put things right quickly. Get a few wins and things change very quickly.
I think those first few games will be key, because as you say, wins make all the difference. But I think it depends how many charlatans like Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Bacuna etc. we still have at the club, because at the moment those players know three things about playing for Villa. They get a lot of money, they don't have to try, and they can get managers they don't like the sack by continuing to coast.
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Going short-term has contributed to this
No, appointing shit managers and not buying good players caused this mess. None of our recent managers were appointed as short term options. It was just that they turned out to be absolutely shit and had to go. No point keeping bad managers.
and selling the good players we did have. Going short-term has contributed to this
No, appointing shit managers and not buying good players caused this mess. None of our recent managers were appointed as short term options. It was just that they turned out to be absolutely shit and had to go. No point keeping bad managers.
So do you think appointing a good manager but potentially getting rid once we're promoted is the way to go?
Why can't the way to go be "appoint a good manager, get promoted and carry on with that good manager"?
thats the ideal scenario Dave. What we'd all give for a mk 1 Graham Taylor... I think most of us realise we're unlikely to get that lucky this time round.
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I don't like the personality of Pearson, but maybe he is what we need. Read somewhere today we are prepared to give Hull 2 million for Bruce, that's a whole lot of pies
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If Nigel Pearson walked into Villa Park tomorrow he won't give a shit about the culture. Neither would Moyes. He'd be greeted by Hollis, the new board and told hold amazing the place can be again. He'd meet the players and would tell them in August to forget about the previous season because there's nothing that can be done. Along with new players he brings in they can make changes to the current without it being affected by any residual culture. It's not like a new manger or players would arrive at Villa and the weeds are growing, the lights don't work, the paint is peeling off the walls due to some neglect. They will be met by a sensational stadium and a new board looking very much to put things right quickly. Get a few wins and things change very quickly.
I think those first few games will be key, because as you say, wins make all the difference. But I think it depends how many charlatans like Gabby, Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Bacuna etc. we still have at the club, because at the moment those players know three things about playing for Villa. They get a lot of money, they don't have to try, and they can get managers they don't like the sack by continuing to coast.
I think most of the charlatans will want out. It's almost better that we are relegated in that regard because had we stayed up they'd all still be on their PL contracts. It's important the club helps them move on. In the best interests of giving the next manager the best chance of success he needs the distractions of this year to be out of the club.
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I live in Leicester territory and spoken to lots of them lot. They have nothing but praise for NP. Say he rebuilt the club from league 1 and had a massive clear out of the deadwood and rebuilt. The lunatic you see is due t his hatred for the media. Will protect his players in front of the press till he's blue in the face. This is how he gets players playing for him.
I'd welcome him given the striking similiarities of where we are at as a 'squad'
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I don't think the press made him tell his own fans to "fuck off and die", or his hatred of the press is why he throttled an opposition player during a game. I reckon it's because he's unhinged.
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The more I look at NP's record , the more he makes sense. Somebody strong enough to sort out the bad apples too. Come on down Nige.
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The important thing for us is that the new board starts making sensible decisions and turning us around. I'm hoping that our academy, which is better than Sunderland and Newcastle's, might give us a leg up. But it's the signings we make to integrate with our youngsters which will be key.
We will not be able to go out and buy a new squad due to the cost and the block it would put on the ambition of the young players. You are right in that we are going to have to bring through quite a few from the U21's and look at the right type of players to bring in that will work with them.
It is therefore essential that a manager that can work with young players and develop them is brought in. What we do not need is a manager that only goes out and buys players. That is short term and will be no good for the club in the long run. The usual formula for developing a young side is to get a manager the young players can relate to or a very good coach that they will respect. I do not see those traits in many of the managers discussed so far.
you've posted what I was thinking. We won't have large amounts to spend on players and wages and I can't see us doing that with our current financial constraints. We have to adapt to the situation we're in. After appointing the right manager, whether that be a proven championship promotion man, or whoever Little and co. Decide is the right candidate, then we have to look at the players on our books.
I'd argue that what money we do have to spend would be best spent on changing the culture of the club. Pay out the high earning leeches who are stealing a living - I.e most of the current first team squad and see what's left from the reserves, the U21s and the academy.
Surely to fuck there's enough talent there to assemble a new first team squad that is capable of getting us into a play off position?
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But what we can't overlook with Pearson is the well trodden argument that much of his success at Leicester can be attributed to Shakespeare & Walsh, neither of whom are gonna jump ship to Villa. So, unhinged or not, if he can't spot a player or organise effective training he ain't much use given the scale of our task
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The more I look at NP's record , the more he makes sense. Somebody strong enough to sort out the bad apples too. Come on down Nige.
For me the 'strong' part is being over played, he's a winner that improves his teams everywhere he goes no matter how shit they are when he finds them. All the 'unhinged', 'lunatic' stuff is based on what, a press conference and a story blown up by the media. As McArthur said, “I got a bit scared, to be honest," he told the Croydon Advertiser. "These things happen and you see it quite a lot with managers and players throughout the game, so I’m not bothered by it."
“I’ve collided into him and he said it was only a joke, so I’ll take it in that manner and we move on."
“If it’s on and off the field, it’s going to get blown out of proportion but there’s nothing in it on my part."
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Christ I am SO sick and tired of the first thing we have to discuss about the club is always cost cutting. Whats it been now, six years? More? Is it really that much to ask that a club of our size and revenue can motor along comfortably buying good players, good managers and looking up rather than down?
Not sure how on topic this is. Sorry. Just venting.
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Of the managers we're linked with or likely to be in the market for...
Moyes: Yes
Pearson: Nutter but yes.
Hughton: Yes
Dyche: Yes
Rowett: Maybe.
Monk: Umm...probably not.
Warnock: No
McCarthy: No
Coleman: No
Dwight Yorke: Dear McGrath no.
Bruce: No.
I don't think there's a single name that would have me doing cartwheels of excitement.
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The more I look at NP's record , the more he makes sense. Somebody strong enough to sort out the bad apples too. Come on down Nige.
For me the 'strong' part is being over played, he's a winner that improves his teams everywhere he goes no matter how shit they are when he finds them. All the 'unhinged', 'lunatic' stuff is based on what, a press conference and a story blown up by the media. As McArthur said, “I got a bit scared, to be honest," he told the Croydon Advertiser. "These things happen and you see it quite a lot with managers and players throughout the game, so I’m not bothered by it."
“I’ve collided into him and he said it was only a joke, so I’ll take it in that manner and we move on."
“If it’s on and off the field, it’s going to get blown out of proportion but there’s nothing in it on my part."
A few press conferences, telling his own fans to "fuck off and die" and the McArthur thing. It's hardly normal behaviour. Unless i've missed loads of managers doing this to an opposition player.
(https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/pictures/2015/2/7/1423341747110/Leicester-City-0-1-Crysta-009.jpg)
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I'm not saying it's normal, PWS but it's hardy the crime of the century. See Ferguson and Mourinho for losing it at press conferences. As to the fans that like to dish it out behind the dugouts but can't take it back, all I can say is dee dums.
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I'm not saying it's normal, PWS but it's hardy the crime of the century. See Ferguson and Mourinho for losing it at press conferences. As to the fans that like to dish it out behind the dugouts but can't take it back, all I can say is dee dums.
even our own Tony Parks done it yesterday
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Genuine question but what did the fan say to get that response from Pearson? Assume it wasn't just one comment and it wasn't asking him how the tomatoes were coming along in his vegetable garden?
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Unless we are in a position to move the 10 'senior' players on - no ifs, no buts, no maybes and hold onto the 5-6 decent ones most of whom Sherwood didn't want, then it is utterly irrelevant.
Sherwood got one thing right and said there is a losing mentality at the club. There is - here is the list on the pitch and all of them need to be binned. All of them.
Guzan
Clark
Hutton
Westwood
Bacuna
Lescott
Richardson
Richards
Gabby
CNZ
We have a challenge on out hands next year - let's start addressing it if we can by binning ALL of the above.
There's a few other maybes but those are the worse in terms of influence and oft picked
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Genuine question but what did the fan say to get that response from Pearson? Assume it wasn't just one comment and it wasn't asking him how the tomatoes were coming along in his vegetable garden?
They were calling him a twat. Still shows him up in a bad light that he has a short fuse and gets baited. I think if things didn't go well for him here it would be a car crash with him. Most of the incidents happened when he was under pressure at a small club like Leicester, how the hell would he cope with us?
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Genuine question but what did the fan say to get that response from Pearson? Assume it wasn't just one comment and it wasn't asking him how the tomatoes were coming along in his vegetable garden?
They were calling him a twat. Still shows him up in a bad light that he has a short fuse and gets baited. I think if things didn't go well for him here it would be a car crash with him. Most of the incidents happened when he was under pressure at a small club like Leicester, how the hell would he cope with us?
who cares , as long as he gets us promotion like he did with Leicester and then builds a team capable of doing what Leicester have done this season .
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I'd love a manager that the players are scared of after five years of piss taking and criminal under performance. The kind of manager that you wouldn't sit next to in a dug out and play silly buggers with chewing gum, for instance.
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I'd love a manager that the players are scared of after five years of piss taking and criminal under performance. The kind of manager that you wouldn't sit next to in a dug out and play silly buggers with chewing gum, for instance.
Why would our 'seniore' players be scared of him. Half a dozen will be on much better wages than those he previously managed and himself. They'll be able to poison the others
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Genuine question but what did the fan say to get that response from Pearson? Assume it wasn't just one comment and it wasn't asking him how the tomatoes were coming along in his vegetable garden?
They were calling him a twat. Still shows him up in a bad light that he has a short fuse and gets baited. I think if things didn't go well for him here it would be a car crash with him. Most of the incidents happened when he was under pressure at a small club like Leicester, how the hell would he cope with us?
who cares , as long as he gets us promotion like he did with Leicester and then builds a team capable of doing what Leicester have done this season .
But that's the other half of the problem. Everything he achieved with Leicester was achieved with his assistants, Shakespeare and Walsh, who are currently counting down the days to when they can pick up their PL winners medals and find out who they'll be playing in the group stages of the Champions League so wouldn't be joining him here.
That's providing you can get past what for me is the first half of the problem.
I'm fed up with seeing objectionable, classless cock sockets associated with Aston Villa. His appointment for me really would be a sign of how low we've sunk.
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Genuine question but what did the fan say to get that response from Pearson? Assume it wasn't just one comment and it wasn't asking him how the tomatoes were coming along in his vegetable garden?
They were calling him a twat. Still shows him up in a bad light that he has a short fuse and gets baited. I think if things didn't go well for him here it would be a car crash with him. Most of the incidents happened when he was under pressure at a small club like Leicester, how the hell would he cope with us?
Is that really all or was it more? Not disagreeing with you but I find telling someone to fuck off and die would need a bit more. That said, yes he was under pressure and he was still able to turn things around. As opposed to Lambert or Sherwood or Garde who looked like the walking dead buried under the weight of it all. Maybe we need a bit more of the come out fighting attitude at the club than the meekly accepting our new place in the game. I'm not saying the answer is Pearson but we need to find someone if not him with a more determined to succeed attitude than the last few blokes. At least an inner strength if not outwardly as obvious.
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If it's somebody with experience of managing in the Championship and Premier League the Blackburn manager might be available.
Please don't let it be Pearson.
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The video is on youtube if you want to watch it.
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I'd love a manager that the players are scared of after five years of piss taking and criminal under performance. The kind of manager that you wouldn't sit next to in a dug out and play silly buggers with chewing gum, for instance.
Why would our 'seniore' players be scared of him. Half a dozen will be on much better wages than those he previously managed and himself. They'll be able to poison the others
Beelzebub thwacked the ear hole of his reserve goal keeper when he was at Selhurst Park. Let's get him. He would have fucked up the chewing gum twats early doors and saved us a whole lot of grief, not to mention the hemorrhaging of income and cash flow.
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I assumed Rodgers would be off to swansea, but as this hasn't happened, I'm starting to think he might be a good fit for us.
He's not got the ceiling that the likes of Bruce have (even Moyes), plus has managed teams in the championship.
He's a bit of a tit, but his motivation to succeed and work hard should be there after he pressure at Liverpool and his break from the game.
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Nigel Pearson refuses to say sorry after video emerges of row with Leicester fan (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/dec/05/nigel-pearson-refuses-apologise-video-row-fan)
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As well as the fuck off and die he also said this
He told fans not to bother returning to the King Power Stadium if they aren't prepared to show support.
Pearson positions himself in the stands, where he is surrounded by supporters, instead of on the touchline because the 51-year-old feels it gives him a better tactical point of view.
But the manager was subject to criticism on Tuesday night as Leicester lost 3-1 against Liverpool.
'I replied to one idiot in the stands and if he doesn't like what he sees, then don't bother coming,' Pearson told SkySports.
'Maybe they ought to think about staying at home, we need support their support. We've worked hard tonight and will continue to do so.'
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This is the fullest video of it I can find
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I'd love a manager that the players are scared of after five years of piss taking and criminal under performance. The kind of manager that you wouldn't sit next to in a dug out and play silly buggers with chewing gum, for instance.
Why would our 'seniore' players be scared of him. Half a dozen will be on much better wages than those he previously managed and himself. They'll be able to poison the others
Pearson strikes me as the type of bloke who doesn't worry too much about how much someone is earning if he decides to give him a bollocking. I may be wrong, just my impression.
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from the FA website
9. Understandably he has not apologised to the person making the abusive
comments towards himself, as clearly heard on the video, as he does not
think that to be appropriate, and we agree with that view.
10. We were told that the person who made the abusive comments and
swore at Mr. Pearson is well known to the Club and is a regular attendee at
games. To call him a supporter or fan of the Club would be doing an injustice
to the genuine, loyal, and decent fans of the Club.
11. Mr. Pearson had been sitting in the stand, as is his usual practice. He
moved to the technical area in order to effect some substitutions and
immediately became the subject of abuse from this one particular person in
the crowd. That is clearly heard on the video and Mr. Pearson had no doubt
the abuse was directed at himself. Apparently the person in question was
being critical of the application of the Leicester City players and we were told
that the same individual had been making vitriolic and abusive comments
towards Mr. Pearson, his staff and players over several weeks.
http://www.thefa.com/~/media/files/pdf/the%20fa%202014-15/written%20reasons/the-fa-v-mr-n-pearson-leicester-city-fc-19-december-2014.ashx?la=en
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The video is on youtube if you want to watch it.
The video is the bit that was captured is my point. It won't give the entire thing or full context. Again, it wasn't right but fans get away with saying a lot and clearly he had enough and it got personal. I'll put money on other Leicester fans being in support of him as many of them still are. It hardly alienated him from the supporters there.
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At least one person applauded him!
It does sound like it was one particular fan who was making all the noise and, if he'd been doing it for several weeks, I think I can understand the urge to vent back. You shower of c*nts.
Edit: from the FA report quoted above it looks like the guy had been giving him stick for weeks. It's no way to treat a manager who's promoted you twice (and also no way to speak to a 'fan').
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It doesn't matter how much stick a fan is giving you - that is part of the game - you can not turn around and shout at them to "fuck off and die".
It's really that simple.
What about the other people sat around who would have heard that?
The bloke has no self control, he's a proven timebomb waiting to go off.
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It doesn't matter how much stick a fan is giving you - that is part of the game - you can not turn around and shout at them to "fuck off and die".
It's really that simple.
What about the other people sat around who would have heard that?
The bloke has no self control, he's a proven timebomb waiting to go off.
I don't know about that. In your job and my job we're not allowed to snap like that, no matter how much somebody's pissing us off. But if for a period 6 or 7 hours over the previous month we'd had somebody shouting "you're a fucking twat! You're a disgrace! Fuck off!" at us when we were trying to work, I don't think it's the crime of the century to bite back a bit.
Obviously it'd be better if it didn't happen but who can say how much abuse someone ought to take?
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It doesn't matter how much stick a fan is giving you - that is part of the game - you can not turn around and shout at them to "fuck off and die".
It's really that simple.
What about the other people sat around who would have heard that?
The bloke has no self control, he's a proven timebomb waiting to go off.
well some people ask for it and the FA agreed that there was no need for him to apologise
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In other news, I can't work out whether this is a pitch or somebody serving up a very cold dish that their dog discovered in Jersey called 'Revenge': http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/10/aston-villa-could-only-be-in-championship-for-a-seasonthey-may-w/
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It doesn't matter how much stick a fan is giving you - that is part of the game - you can not turn around and shout at them to "fuck off and die".
It's really that simple.
What about the other people sat around who would have heard that?
The bloke has no self control, he's a proven timebomb waiting to go off.
I don't know about that. In your job and my job we're not allowed to snap like that, no matter how much somebody's pissing us off. But if for a period 6 or 7 hours over the previous month we'd had somebody shouting "you're a fucking twat! You're a disgrace! Fuck off!" at us when we were trying to work, I don't think it's the crime of the century to bite back a bit.
Obviously it'd be better if it didn't happen but who can say how much abuse someone ought to take?
Yeah, but then again, if we had 30,000 people shouting "you fat wanker" or somesuch at us, we wouldn't like that, either.
Players don't turn round and tell the fans to fuck off, and neither should managers. "Fuck off and die" is a particularly horrible thing to say, too.
I'd rather not have a classless ****** like that managing our club. We might have had our dignity dragged through the mud in recent years, but that'd be too much for me.
And then there's all the other Pearson baggage - and for what? A manager with an entirely underwhelming record.
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Regardless of the stick you are getting, you cannot tell someone to fuck off and die. Yes, Pearson is human, but this shows me he can't handle pressure.
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It doesn't matter how much stick a fan is giving you - that is part of the game - you can not turn around and shout at them to "fuck off and die".
It's really that simple.
What about the other people sat around who would have heard that?
The bloke has no self control, he's a proven timebomb waiting to go off.
I don't know about that. In your job and my job we're not allowed to snap like that, no matter how much somebody's pissing us off. But if for a period 6 or 7 hours over the previous month we'd had somebody shouting "you're a fucking twat! You're a disgrace! Fuck off!" at us when we were trying to work, I don't think it's the crime of the century to bite back a bit.
Obviously it'd be better if it didn't happen but who can say how much abuse someone ought to take?
Yeah, but then again, if we had 30,000 people shouting "you fat wanker" or somesuch at us, we wouldn't like that, either.
Players don't turn round and tell the fans to fuck off, and neither should managers. "Fuck off and die" is a particularly horrible thing to say, too.
I'd rather not have a classless c*** like that managing our club. We might have had our dignity dragged through the mud in recent years, but that'd be too much for me.
And then there's all the other Pearson baggage - and for what? A manager with an entirely underwhelming record.
See, this puts me in mind of situations where those twats who abuse an opposition player or manager mercilessly for 85 minutes finally provoke him into giving them the finger and then run to the police to report him. If you're going to be a dick about things then you can't reasonably be upset when somebody calls you a c*nt every now and again. Why should any manager have to take it without having a go back?
I doubt, when the scales come out, that the fan would emerge the moral victor.
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Regardless of the stick you are getting, you cannot tell someone to fuck off and die. Yes, Pearson is human, but this shows me he can't handle pressure.
yes he told him to fuck off and die , but in a cool and calm way without loosing his temper , he could have taken the eric cantona method of responding , but he didnt
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Steve Bruce is a 2 season manager. If we got him I think he would do ok in fairness and he is a very big personality. I would be fairly confident of him getting us up, keeping us there for a season but then you would have to replace him.
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In other news, I can't work out whether this is a pitch or somebody serving up a very cold dish that their dog discovered in Jersey called 'Revenge': http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/10/aston-villa-could-only-be-in-championship-for-a-seasonthey-may-w/
"I look at their team and I don’t know who half the players are."
Yes Harry, that's because you're a twat who signs the same half a dozen players over and over again bankrupting each club you're at in the process.
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Fuck off and die wasn't a good choice of words. But had he just told him to fuck off, after sustained abuse I can absolutely see why he snapped and said something. To me it doesn't show that he can't take pressure. It shows that one person after a lot of very personal abuse got to him to provoke that reaction. The bigger question is why didn't the stewards step in sooner? If I had my kid there, or even from a personal level I wouldn't want to hear one twat go on like that. This is football and I know things can get the better of us but there has to be limit to even that.
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Regardless of the stick you are getting, you cannot tell someone to fuck off and die. Yes, Pearson is human, but this shows me he can't handle pressure.
yes he told him to fuck off and die , but in a cool and calm way without loosing his temper , he could have taken the eric cantona method of responding , but he didnt
Cool and calm would have been to ignore him completely.
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Regardless of the stick you are getting, you cannot tell someone to fuck off and die. Yes, Pearson is human, but this shows me he can't handle pressure.
yes he told him to fuck off and die , but in a cool and calm way without loosing his temper , he could have taken the eric cantona method of responding , but he didnt
Phew, in which case he's a model pro and we should employ him tomorrow.
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Fuck off and die wasn't a good choice of words. But had he just told him to fuck off, after sustained abuse I can absolutely see why he snapped and said something. To me it doesn't show that he can't take pressure. It shows that one person after a lot of very personal abuse got to him to provoke that reaction.
It's not just a one off though is it? He lost his rag with a junior reporter after a fairly innocuous question, then again the next week with Pat Murphy, not to mention the 'joke'' throttling.
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Fuck off and die wasn't a good choice of words. But had he just told him to fuck off, after sustained abuse I can absolutely see why he snapped and said something. To me it doesn't show that he can't take pressure. It shows that one person after a lot of very personal abuse got to him to provoke that reaction.
It's not just a one off though is it? He lost his rag with a junior reporter after a fairly innocuous question, then again the next week with Pat Murphy, not to mention the 'joke'' throttling.
yeah he would sort those birmingham mail journalists out
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Fuck off and die wasn't a good choice of words. But had he just told him to fuck off, after sustained abuse I can absolutely see why he snapped and said something. To me it doesn't show that he can't take pressure. It shows that one person after a lot of very personal abuse got to him to provoke that reaction.
It's not just a one off though is it? He lost his rag with a junior reporter after a fairly innocuous question, then again the next week with Pat Murphy, not to mention the 'joke'' throttling.
yeah he would sort those birmingham mail journalists out
Hopefully, he won't need to as he will be overlooked for the Villa job.
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Fuck off and die wasn't a good choice of words. But had he just told him to fuck off, after sustained abuse I can absolutely see why he snapped and said something. To me it doesn't show that he can't take pressure. It shows that one person after a lot of very personal abuse got to him to provoke that reaction.
It's not just a one off though is it? He lost his rag with a junior reporter after a fairly innocuous question, then again the next week with Pat Murphy, not to mention the 'joke'' throttling.
He doesn't like the press. That's for sure. He has some anger issues but that's not to say he hasn't had success as a manager. One of the important questions for the hiring committee would be if can manage his temper if things aren't going well? My comments are specifically about the incident with the fan which shouldn't have got to that stage on either side, and he certainly shouldn't have said what he did. But I can understand his frustration and anger at the situation.
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If Nigel Pearson walked into Villa Park tomorrow he won't give a shit about the culture. Neither would Moyes. He'd be greeted by Hollis, the new board and told hold amazing the place can be again. He'd meet the players and would tell them in August to forget about the previous season because there's nothing that can be done. Along with new players he brings in they can make changes to the current without it being affected by any residual culture. It's not like a new manger or players would arrive at Villa and the weeds are growing, the lights don't work, the paint is peeling off the walls due to some neglect. They will be met by a sensational stadium and a new board looking very much to put things right quickly. Get a few wins and things change very quickly.
Spot on - I don't buy into the horseshit the likes of Rednapp are spouting about the club being in free fall through the divisions & that none of the players are good enough for the Premier League. With the right manager, proper coaching, some organisation & clearing out the wasters we'll be OK.
You only have to look at what Rowett has done with Small Heath to see how doing the basics right & getting someone in with an ounce of management skills can quickly turn things around and their team is full of free transfers.
It's time for the booing & constant calling for Lerner to go to stop, we've made our point & he's going nowhere. Our road back starts now, not in August.
But these useless fuckers shouldn't wear a Villa shirt again, Bacuna, Richards, Gabby & Lescott.
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Fuck off and die wasn't a good choice of words. But had he just told him to fuck off, after sustained abuse I can absolutely see why he snapped and said something. To me it doesn't show that he can't take pressure. It shows that one person after a lot of very personal abuse got to him to provoke that reaction.
It's not just a one off though is it? He lost his rag with a junior reporter after a fairly innocuous question, then again the next week with Pat Murphy, not to mention the 'joke'' throttling.
yeah he would sort those birmingham mail journalists out
have you watched the videos of the press conferences? The 'fuck off and die' comments by comparison are nothing compared to the awkwardness of the press interviews [the ostrictch one, and the pat murphy follow up].
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It's not just that he does these things, it's also that i've never seen him look like he thinks he has done anything wrong. Be it the fans, press or McArthur incident. I'm sticking with he's a twat that should never be considered worthy of employment by Aston Villa no matter how shit we are.
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Indeed.
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In other news, I can't work out whether this is a pitch or somebody serving up a very cold dish that their dog discovered in Jersey called 'Revenge': http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/10/aston-villa-could-only-be-in-championship-for-a-seasonthey-may-w/
"I look at their team and I don’t know who half the players are."
Yes Harry, that's because you're a twat who signs the same half a dozen players over and over again bankrupting each club you're at in the process.
He also blamed it on the foreign players but said Ayew looked good. Gana's stats put him on a similar level to Kante, Veretout seems to have some ability but hasn't been consistent and Traore's been injured most of the season. So he's guilty of spouting his mouth off without really knowing what's going on - just as he often is.
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Fuck off and die wasn't a good choice of words. But had he just told him to fuck off, after sustained abuse I can absolutely see why he snapped and said something. To me it doesn't show that he can't take pressure. It shows that one person after a lot of very personal abuse got to him to provoke that reaction.
It's not just a one off though is it? He lost his rag with a junior reporter after a fairly innocuous question, then again the next week with Pat Murphy, not to mention the 'joke'' throttling.
yeah he would sort those birmingham mail journalists out
have you watched the videos of the press conferences? The 'fuck off and die' comments by comparison are nothing compared to the awkwardness of the press interviews [the ostrictch one, and the pat murphy follow up].
yes they were brilliant , and so was nigel
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They don't want him here!
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They don't want him here!
no , oh well , i guess who ever gets the job there will be plenty saying its the wrong appointment
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Fuck off and die wasn't a good choice of words. But had he just told him to fuck off, after sustained abuse I can absolutely see why he snapped and said something. To me it doesn't show that he can't take pressure. It shows that one person after a lot of very personal abuse got to him to provoke that reaction.
It's not just a one off though is it? He lost his rag with a junior reporter after a fairly innocuous question, then again the next week with Pat Murphy, not to mention the 'joke'' throttling.
yeah he would sort those birmingham mail journalists out
have you watched the videos of the press conferences? The 'fuck off and die' comments by comparison are nothing compared to the awkwardness of the press interviews [the ostrictch one, and the pat murphy follow up].
The Pat Murphy one is a classic. Everything about Pearson's body language and facial expression says he wants to jump over the table and throttle Murphy, but he can't. He is hopelessly out of his depth with the line of questioning so has to retort to childish one line replies and comes out of it looking like a complete clown.
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Fuck off and die wasn't a good choice of words. But had he just told him to fuck off, after sustained abuse I can absolutely see why he snapped and said something. To me it doesn't show that he can't take pressure. It shows that one person after a lot of very personal abuse got to him to provoke that reaction.
It's not just a one off though is it? He lost his rag with a junior reporter after a fairly innocuous question, then again the next week with Pat Murphy, not to mention the 'joke'' throttling.
Pat Murphy was the twat in that incident, not Pearson. Making Pat Murphy hate us even more as a club than he already does would be one of the very few positives from Perason joining.
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Fuck off and die wasn't a good choice of words. But had he just told him to fuck off, after sustained abuse I can absolutely see why he snapped and said something. To me it doesn't show that he can't take pressure. It shows that one person after a lot of very personal abuse got to him to provoke that reaction.
It's not just a one off though is it? He lost his rag with a junior reporter after a fairly innocuous question, then again the next week with Pat Murphy, not to mention the 'joke'' throttling.
Pat Murphy was the twat in that incident, not Pearson. Making Pat Murphy hate us even more as a club than he already does would be one of the very few positives from Perason joining.
Not at all. Murphy was sticking up for his junior colleague. Pearson's answers were akin to those of a 5 year old.
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We can all concede that Pearson is an obnoxious arsehole, you don't have to look too far to find evidence to support that. I think appointing him would be a mistake. Having said that there are no perfect candidates out there that I think we could get.
For me the man we need was at Villa Park on Saturday but I think we have zero chance of getting him. The man they're targeting is already in a job, that tells me it's Steve Bruce.
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Bizarre point I confess, but in addition to all the other baggage Bruce brings, he looks so unhealthy. All our managers back to MON have looked twenty years older after six months with us. Or in the case of Remi Garde 157 days.
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Bizarre point I confess, but in addition to all the other baggage Bruce brings, he looks so unhealthy. All our managers back to MON have looked twenty years older after six months with us. Or in the case of Remi Garde 157 days.
Bruce looked 40 when he was captain of Naarwich in his mid 20's. He looks about 70 now.
He has said on record he made a mistake managing Sunderland (as a Newcastle fan) and thought McLeish had by moving to Villa and could never see himself managing Villa
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good to know.
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Brian Clough used to leave journalists trembling. I also remember him chinning a couple of Forest fans who invaded the pitch after a game against Derby - he then invited them both to Forest's training ground as an apology and kissed them. Also have vague recollections of Cloughie man handling a fan who was dressed as a clown and trying to get on the pitch. He grabbed him and shoved him back into the stands. And his humiliation of Trevor Francis at the player of the year bash was legendary "take your hands out of your pockets young man".
I'm not comparing Pearson's record to Clough's, of course, just highlighting the fact that some managers are respected for being mad, others ridiculed. And Clough was nearly our manager, if rumours are to be believed.
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found it. Brilliant
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"He shouldn't have gone aaht fisting people."
Didn't we get battered there shortly after this incident?
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Brian Clough used to leave journalists trembling. I also remember him chinning a couple of Forest fans who invaded the pitch after a game against Derby - he then invited them both to Forest's training ground as an apology and kissed them. Also have vague recollections of Cloughie man handling a fan who was dressed as a clown and trying to get on the pitch. He grabbed him and shoved him back into the stands. And his humiliation of Trevor Francis at the player of the year bash was legendary "take your hands out of your pockets young man".
I'm not comparing Pearson's record to Clough's, of course, just highlighting the fact that some managers are respected for being mad, others ridiculed. And Clough was nearly our manager, if rumours are to be believed.
Some are respected, but I wouldn't say they are respected for being mad. Clough was respected because he was a brilliant manager who happened to be a bit unhinged. The respect was for the great manager bit, not the mad bit.
And if Pearson were a great manager, then fine. All the other stuff wouldn't really matter as much. But we wouldn't be getting the next mad Brian Clough, we'd be getting an average duffer who has spent the bulk of his career between fifth and eleventh in the Championship.
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Brian Clough used to leave journalists trembling. I also remember him chinning a couple of Forest fans who invaded the pitch after a game against Derby - he then invited them both to Forest's training ground as an apology and kissed them. Also have vague recollections of Cloughie man handling a fan who was dressed as a clown and trying to get on the pitch. He grabbed him and shoved him back into the stands. And his humiliation of Trevor Francis at the player of the year bash was legendary "take your hands out of your pockets young man".
I'm not comparing Pearson's record to Clough's, of course, just highlighting the fact that some managers are respected for being mad, others ridiculed. And Clough was nearly our manager, if rumours are to be believed.
Some are respected, but I wouldn't say they are respected for being mad. Clough was respected because he was a brilliant manager who happened to be a bit unhinged. The respect was for the great manager bit, not the mad bit.
And if Pearson were a great manager, then fine. All the other stuff wouldn't really matter as much. But we wouldn't be getting the next mad Brian Clough, we'd be getting an average duffer who has spent the bulk of his career between fifth and eleventh in the Championship.
My thoughts entirely.
Still Cloughie hitting the fans was hilarious.
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Could we give him a 4 week contract so that after he ritually disembowels the likes of Agbonlahor and Richards whilst howling at the moon, we then appoint a decent manager in time for pre-season?
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Brian Clough used to leave journalists trembling. I also remember him chinning a couple of Forest fans who invaded the pitch after a game against Derby - he then invited them both to Forest's training ground as an apology and kissed them. Also have vague recollections of Cloughie man handling a fan who was dressed as a clown and trying to get on the pitch. He grabbed him and shoved him back into the stands. And his humiliation of Trevor Francis at the player of the year bash was legendary "take your hands out of your pockets young man".
I'm not comparing Pearson's record to Clough's, of course, just highlighting the fact that some managers are respected for being mad, others ridiculed. And Clough was nearly our manager, if rumours are to be believed.
Some are respected, but I wouldn't say they are respected for being mad. Clough was respected because he was a brilliant manager who happened to be a bit unhinged. The respect was for the great manager bit, not the mad bit.
And if Pearson were a great manager, then fine. All the other stuff wouldn't really matter as much. But we wouldn't be getting the next mad Brian Clough, we'd be getting an average duffer who has spent the bulk of his career between fifth and eleventh in the Championship.
My thoughts entirely.
Still Cloughie hitting the fans was hilarious
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Brilliant innit.
Clough's "eccentricity" meant that he was equally well know by football fans and non-football fans and his yampiness was celebrated ( Mike Yarwood use to slip Clough effortlessly in between Harold Wilson and Hughie Greene impressions).
I'd take Pearson though, I'd love to see him burst Ian Wright or Savage
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I like managers with chips on their shoulders and something to prove. Clough after Leeds, Saunders after Man Ciry,Moyes after Utd?, Pearson after Leicester?
I can't really decide but my gut instinct is Pearson.
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I think Pearson knows his way round a cattle prod.
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Didn't he accuse a journalist of trying to "stare him out" at a press conference last season? Ace
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Hughton in the cold light of day makes a lot of sense Has handled a big, difficult club before, has a very good track-record all-told and seems a stable sort of character.
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Which recent manager, in your opinion, has been a 'classless cock-socket'? For me, I'd have to go back to O'Leary to find a manager who fitted that description.
O'Neill for most of his time here was classy. The manner in which he left was unclassy, I'll grant you.
McLeish was out of his depth, but a perfect gent in a no-win situation.
Lambert was genuine, but like McLeish was way out of his depth.
Sherwood kept us up against the odds and got us to a cup final, before imploding. Another one out of his depth and struggling against player power. He was brash, but what was unclassy about him?
Garde inherited a cluster fuck and wasn't backed by Lerner. From what I saw, he conducted himself with class throughout his short stint.
Black's just care taking til a new manager comes in. And he knows it. Dropped Gabby after the sheesha incident, which is what most of us would have done.
I missed out Houllier in there. He did a few things to piss the fans off, but I thought him and GMac were a decent managerial team. Other than fawning over His former club Liverpool, what did he do to be described as a classless cock-socket?
We've just been saddled with a series of poor appointments since O'neill left, as the club has looked to do things on the cheap. I'd argue none of those above since O'Leary could be described as class-less cock-sockets in the company of the likes of O'Leary, current Newcastle manager, Pearson, warnock etc.
Doesn't really matter anyway, I'd take the likes of classless cock-sockets such as Wenger or Fergie, even mourinho, if it meant we had a chance of actually winning something again.
Edit: sorry. Quite fail. This was in response to VID's last post a few pages back. I'll get me coat...
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Judging by his time at Spurs, Sherwood definitely qualifies as a classless cock-socket.
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Genuine question but what did the fan say to get that response from Pearson? Assume it wasn't just one comment and it wasn't asking him how the tomatoes were coming along in his vegetable garden?
They were calling him a twat. Still shows him up in a bad light that he has a short fuse and gets baited. I think if things didn't go well for him here it would be a car crash with him. Most of the incidents happened when he was under pressure at a small club like Leicester, how the hell would he cope with us?
Is that really all or was it more? Not disagreeing with you but I find telling someone to fuck off and die would need a bit more. That said, yes he was under pressure and he was still able to turn things around. As opposed to Lambert or Sherwood or Garde who looked like the walking dead buried under the weight of it all. Maybe we need a bit more of the come out fighting attitude at the club than the meekly accepting our new place in the game. I'm not saying the answer is Pearson but we need to find someone if not him with a more determined to succeed attitude than the last few blokes. At least an inner strength if not outwardly as obvious.
I'm with you on this. I liked Remi a lot, I like the guy as he clearly has a lot of class but in the end where did it get us? Man United won hundreds of trophies under Ferguson, look at Mourinho, even Graham Taylor had a foul temper. Didn't do us a lot of good having Lambert, Garde and Sherwood looking meekly on week after week.
As for those "fans" who turn up every week and sit behind the dugout abusing managers and their families, they can get what's coming as far as I'm concerned. I have no issue with appointing someone with a bit of "mongrel" but it has to be more than that. Pearson's record is pretty good but it is a bit more of a risk. As others have said, not having his assistants would be a blow but depending on his personality, not necessarily a fatal one.
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I'd go along with that, but he toned it down whilst at Villa, largely.
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In other news, I can't work out whether this is a pitch or somebody serving up a very cold dish that their dog discovered in Jersey called 'Revenge': http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/10/aston-villa-could-only-be-in-championship-for-a-seasonthey-may-w/
As soon as I saw who wrote that I clicked off it, he can fuck off
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. The man they're targeting is already in a job,
Is there any evidence to this or is it because Tim Sherwood said so on MOTD2
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Making Pat Murphy hate us even more as a club than he already does
Why do people consistently trot this line out? I've heard him speak very fondly of the CLUB many times, he obviously doesn't like the owner but then who does?
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It doesn't matter how much stick a fan is giving you - that is part of the game - you can not turn around and shout at them to "fuck off and die".
It's really that simple.
What about the other people sat around who would have heard that?
The bloke has no self control, he's a proven timebomb waiting to go off.
I think it's pathetic that grown adults turn up to games and are allowed to rant vile abuse at managers. Some of the things I have heard over the years are disgusting and extremely personal. In an ideal world he doesn't react but it doesn't put me off. People are forgetting some of the best managers have had extremely spiky personalities (and probably needed them).
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I just think the last thing we need is someone with a personality like wet lithium. The club itself is unstable enough without that.
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Get Pearson I'm sick of having a pussy as Aston Villa manager
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Other than managers at the top of the tree, who has actually gone to another club and replicated the good things they are 'recognised' for at a previous club?
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All said and done, there's any number of managers out there with the potential to get us promoted. They just need the backing of the board to clear out the shit and build a side, largely from what's leftover. I'll say again, we should be able to cobble together a decent squad capable of challenging, with the addition of one or two dedicated, experienced, half-talented pros to lead the way.
I think that when Sherwood spoke about the losing culture at the club, he was really having a dig at the 'couldn't give a fuck, go through the motions half arsedly, take the 30k a week ta very much' culture at the club. And in that, he was spot on, as has been proved.
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All said and done, there's any number of managers out there with the potential to get us promoted...
Name names. Don't forget we are not in a position to pay other clubs compensation for their manager
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All said and done, there's any number of managers out there with the potential to get us promoted...
Name names. Don't forget we are not in a position to pay other clubs compensation for their manager
The newspapers at the weekend seemed to think we were willing to pay for Bruce. I don't think compensation would be a problem.
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With the players that most are in agreement about getting rid off and the type of players left (more skillful type and young), we will need a manager that believes in good football and is good at coaching. That rules out a significant number of the usual suspects.
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All said and done, there's any number of managers out there with the potential to get us promoted...
Name names. Don't forget we are not in a position to pay other clubs compensation for their manager
The newspapers at the weekend seemed to think we were willing to pay for Bruce. I don't think compensation would be a problem.
Well that's it then, unveil him now.
We won't pay compensation
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I really hate lack of passion in football and I really don't understand it coming from a manager of a football team.
I'd like to see a manager who at least can make a post match interview interesting - O'Neill did, Sherwood did, Big Ron did. Lambert and McLeish just mumbled their way through with inanities, O'Leary annoyed to extreme and Black seems to have inherited this cocksocketness.
I know it's not the key criteria of the job but if you can't motivate fans at home watching on the box, I don't believe you have a cat in hells chance with a squad of dispassionate football players.
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All said and done, there's any number of managers out there with the potential to get us promoted...
Name names. Don't forget we are not in a position to pay other clubs compensation for their manager
The newspapers at the weekend seemed to think we were willing to pay for Bruce. I don't think compensation would be a problem.
Well that's it then, unveil him now.
We won't pay compensation
Fair enough, we'll see I guess.
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And then there's all the other Pearson baggage - and for what? A manager with an entirely underwhelming record.
If Pearson's record is "underwelming", I'd love to hear what you think of everybody else we've been linked with. I get you don't like him but to dismiss his record as underwelming is extremely misinformed. I'd have loved a bit of that level of underwelming at Villa Park over the last few years.
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And then there's all the other Pearson baggage - and for what? A manager with an entirely underwhelming record.
If Pearson's record is "underwelming", I'd love to hear what you think of everybody else we've been linked with. I get you don't like him but to dismiss his record as underwelming is extremely misinformed. I'd have loved a bit of that level of underwelming at Villa Park over the last few years.
I must be misinformed too then, because I've looked at his record and find it underwhelming too. Not terrible obviously, but nothing that fills me with any great excitement.
To be fair though, very few of the candidates mentioned so far fill me with any great excitement.
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It's true. When you look at Pearson, you see a couple of promotions and lots of hanging around. With Bruce you see quite a few promotions. I don't see how Pearson is so much more appealing than Bruce just based on their records.
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The wheels have come off at Hull recently? 1 win in the last 10 or something?
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The wheels have come off at Hull recently? 1 win in the last 10 or something?
You can't just hire a manager based on the most recent thing they've done. Bruce's record over his career looks better than Pearson's - and I dare say Pearson went through a few hopelessly shit runs of games as well.
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Get Pearson I'm sick of having a pussy as Aston Villa manager
Thanks for that insight. I thought the Easter Holidays had finished.
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The wheels have come off at Hull recently? 1 win in the last 10 or something?
You can't just hire a manager based on the most recent thing they've done. Bruce's record over his career looks better than Pearson's - and I dare say Pearson went through a few hopelessly shit runs of games as well.
I'm also worried about Bruce's habit of bailing out on teams and leaving them in the shit. I'll be honest though, I just don't like him. Never trust a man who speaks in a whisper
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All said and done, there's any number of managers out there with the potential to get us promoted...
Name names. Don't forget we are not in a position to pay other clubs compensation for their manager
i'm not really in a position to name names as I'm quite far removed from football in the UK now. I don't really pay any attention to anything other than Villa. I can honestly say that I hate modern football, with the big exception of hopefully Leicester winning the league. I don't know too much about other club's players or managers, but having said that, there's probably half a dozen or so, maybe more, managers on the polling list who I think could conceivably get us promoted out of the championship. My first choice of those listed would be Moyes- tried and tested. The other one I've advocated was Warburton at Rangers. But the truth is, with proper backing from the board to clear out the shit, there's quite a few managers with the credentials to get us up quickly. And that's all we need to be looking at right now. Sure, if someone stands out as being able to achieve promotion and then kick on, then fine- give them the gig. Priority is promotion at the first attempt though, mate.
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The wheels have come off at Hull recently? 1 win in the last 10 or something?
You can't just hire a manager based on the most recent thing they've done. Bruce's record over his career looks better than Pearson's - and I dare say Pearson went through a few hopelessly shit runs of games as well.
I'm also worried about Bruce's habit of bailing out on teams and leaving them in the shit. I'll be honest though, I just don't like him. Never trust a man who speaks in a whisper
Oh I don't like or want him either. I'm just trying to put Pearson's record in perspective.
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It's true. When you look at Pearson, you see a couple of promotions and lots of hanging around. With Bruce you see quite a few promotions. I don't see how Pearson is so much more appealing than Bruce just based on their records.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Pearson#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bruce#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hughton#Managerial_statistics
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It's true. When you look at Pearson, you see a couple of promotions and lots of hanging around. With Bruce you see quite a few promotions. I don't see how Pearson is so much more appealing than Bruce just based on their records.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Pearson#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bruce#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hughton#Managerial_statistics
Yep not a lot of difference, except that Bruce and Hughton have managed in the Premier League more and with teams expected to struggle, whereas Pearson has spent most of his time at clubs expected to do well in lower divisions.
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It's true. When you look at Pearson, you see a couple of promotions and lots of hanging around. With Bruce you see quite a few promotions. I don't see how Pearson is so much more appealing than Bruce just based on their records.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Pearson#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bruce#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hughton#Managerial_statistics
Indeed - the thing against Bruce is that he totally failed at his biggest gig, Sunderland.
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It's true. When you look at Pearson, you see a couple of promotions and lots of hanging around. With Bruce you see quite a few promotions. I don't see how Pearson is so much more appealing than Bruce just based on their records.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Pearson#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bruce#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hughton#Managerial_statistics
Indeed. As per my post on an earlier page, Hughton and Pearson look pretty similar, with Hughton probably having the the edge.
And not being a dick.
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Dyche... I reckon. He has a funny voice.
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It's true. When you look at Pearson, you see a couple of promotions and lots of hanging around. With Bruce you see quite a few promotions. I don't see how Pearson is so much more appealing than Bruce just based on their records.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Pearson#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bruce#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hughton#Managerial_statistics
Indeed. As per my post on an earlier page, Hughton and Pearson look pretty similar, with Hughton probably having the the edge.
And not being a dick.
Statistically, Pearson is the clear winner based on points, though Hughton's record is far superior to Bruce's. I could mention the respective spend and success in the transfer market but we all know all the success at Leicester was down to Steve Walsh and of course the fact that Pearson is obviously a dick.
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I think all the supposed candidates are much of a muchness, but I'm hoping for once those making the decisions will do so on a sound basis and pick the best one for us.
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Nobody can seriously think Hughton would leave the relative calm and success of Brighton who could potentially be in the premier league next season, where he is building something, to come to the Villa chaos?
Unless he's a Villa fan why on earth would you do it?
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Seriously all Pearson has to offer is he's available, possibly cheap and he's likely to punch Gabby and Richards. I don't buy this "championship experience" rubbish, if Gestede can score a hatfull there it can't be that tough. Get Moyes now.
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It's true. When you look at Pearson, you see a couple of promotions and lots of hanging around. With Bruce you see quite a few promotions. I don't see how Pearson is so much more appealing than Bruce just based on their records.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Pearson#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bruce#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hughton#Managerial_statistics
Indeed - the thing against Bruce is that he totally failed at his biggest gig, Sunderland.
totally failed is a bit harsh, struggled to replace Bent, Henderson and Gyan and bought a rag tag bunch of misfits like Wickham if I recall
certainly did no worse than O'Neill up there who replaced him
Bruce's biggest failing imo would be not getting Hull up this time around, though the Livermore ban was a huge blow....
preference for Hughton though, based primarily on the job he did at Newcastle
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Could we give him a 4 week contract so that after he ritually disembowels the likes of Agbonlahor and Richards whilst howling at the moon, we then appoint a decent manager in time for pre-season?
This. Yes please, this!
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It's true. When you look at Pearson, you see a couple of promotions and lots of hanging around. With Bruce you see quite a few promotions. I don't see how Pearson is so much more appealing than Bruce just based on their records.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Pearson#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bruce#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hughton#Managerial_statistics
Indeed. As per my post on an earlier page, Hughton and Pearson look pretty similar, with Hughton probably having the the edge.
And not being a dick.
Statistically, Pearson is the clear winner based on points, though Hughton's record is far superior to Bruce's. I could mention the respective spend and success in the transfer market but we all know all the success at Leicester was down to Steve Walsh and of course the fact that Pearson is obviously a dick.
But the actual spend compared to the rest of the division is important. Hughton and Bruce might have spent more money but they were in the Premier League, whereas you can spend much less money and still be the richest side in the Championship.
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My two favourites are
Dyche + Houghton
Both decent young managers who have some premiership experience
I think if it was an out of work manager it would have been announced by now
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Could we give him a 4 week contract so that after he ritually disembowels the likes of Agbonlahor and Richards whilst howling at the moon, we then appoint a decent manager in time for pre-season?
Porto did just that when they replaced Mourinho. In the pre-season of 2004–05, they hired Italian coach Luigi Delneri and fired him before the start of the season.
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Nobody can seriously think Hughton would leave the relative calm and success of Brighton who could potentially be in the premier league next season, where he is building something, to come to the Villa chaos?
Unless he's a Villa fan why on earth would you do it?
I could if they don't get promoted, as both teams would be starting on zero points next season and he might feel that we have more potential than Brighton once the downward spiral is reversed. Not to mention a big pay-rise.
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It's true. When you look at Pearson, you see a couple of promotions and lots of hanging around. With Bruce you see quite a few promotions. I don't see how Pearson is so much more appealing than Bruce just based on their records.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Pearson#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bruce#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hughton#Managerial_statistics
Indeed. As per my post on an earlier page, Hughton and Pearson look pretty similar, with Hughton probably having the the edge.
And not being a dick.
Statistically, Pearson is the clear winner based on points, though Hughton's record is far superior to Bruce's. I could mention the respective spend and success in the transfer market but we all know all the success at Leicester was down to Steve Walsh and of course the fact that Pearson is obviously a dick.
But the actual spend compared to the rest of the division is important. Hughton and Bruce might have spent more money but they were in the Premier League, whereas you can spend much less money and still be the richest side in the Championship.
Didn't Hughton pay £8-9m for strikers Ricky van Wolfswinkel and an additional £6m for Gary Hooper? I think they managed 6 goals between them. I recall the Norwich fans voted for their third choice goalkeeper as Player of the Year, so shit and disgusted they were with their team.
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It's true. When you look at Pearson, you see a couple of promotions and lots of hanging around. With Bruce you see quite a few promotions. I don't see how Pearson is so much more appealing than Bruce just based on their records.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Pearson#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bruce#Managerial_statistics
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hughton#Managerial_statistics
Indeed. As per my post on an earlier page, Hughton and Pearson look pretty similar, with Hughton probably having the the edge.
And not being a dick.
Statistically, Pearson is the clear winner based on points, though Hughton's record is far superior to Bruce's. I could mention the respective spend and success in the transfer market but we all know all the success at Leicester was down to Steve Walsh and of course the fact that Pearson is obviously a dick.
But the actual spend compared to the rest of the division is important. Hughton and Bruce might have spent more money but they were in the Premier League, whereas you can spend much less money and still be the richest side in the Championship.
And as for "clear winner based on points", having a season in League One with squad that was only in League One due to previous mismanagement is going to make those figures look better.
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And yet until the goal 7 games were much better off the Pearson at Leicester who clearly had a better squad. My bigger issue is that everyone says Walsh found the players to fit into the team. Without Walsh and Shakespear Pearson will be nowhere near as good as he was at Leicester. And that's arguable as to how good he was.
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Nobody can seriously think Hughton would leave the relative calm and success of Brighton who could potentially be in the premier league next season, where he is building something, to come to the Villa chaos?
Unless he's a Villa fan why on earth would you do it?
I could if they don't get promoted, as both teams would be starting on zero points next season and he might feel that we have more potential than Brighton once the downward spiral is reversed. Not to mention a big pay-rise.
brighton - new stadium, ambitious chairman who supports the club, on the rise.
villa - in decline, shit for years, chairman doesn't give a fuck, ex-blues (so will start with a fair few morons on your back from day 1)
he'll struggle to make a decision...
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The caliber of manager we appoint will reveal how much money the club will be spending on replacing this squad. Moyes = reason to be cheerful. Bruce/Hughton/Pearson etc al = prepare to be disappointed.
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My two favourites are
Dyche + Houghton
Both decent young managers who have some premiership experience
I think if it was an out of work manager it would have been announced by now
Why would Dyche want to leave a promoted Burnley to stay in the Championship with Villa ?
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I recall the Norwich fans voted for their third choice goalkeeper as Player of the Year, so shit and disgusted they were with their team.
So Watkins, Siegrist or Steer it is then for Villa's player of the season
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If you put Pearson's unpredictable nature aside, his record at all the clubs he's managed is impressive. I've been against him from the start because of all the off field stuff but ultimately we will judge whoever takes over by results on the field so if Moyes is umming and arring about what money there is available and waiting to see if a better job comes along then I'd be willing to accept Pearson as a decent second choice before Bruce.
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I recall the Norwich fans voted for their third choice goalkeeper as Player of the Year, so shit and disgusted they were with their team.
So Watkins, Siegrist or Steer it is then for Villa's player of the season
Should be no awards for anyone in the current first squad this season, if there has to be a winner for player of the season it should go to the Villa Away fans.
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I recall the Norwich fans voted for their third choice goalkeeper as Player of the Year, so shit and disgusted they were with their team.
So Watkins, Siegrist or Steer it is then for Villa's player of the season
Should be no awards for anyone in the current first squad this season, if there has to be a winner for player of the season it should go to the Villa Away fans.
True but if I had to pick a player it must be Andre Green.
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my problem with Pearson is that despite him being available and having a good record generally, using this site as a cross section, 10% of the fans actually want him. There is so much negativity around the club at the moment, we dont need it causing a hangover into next season. We desperately need someone in to lift the gloom and for me Moyes would be that man. If we cant get someone like that, we at least need someone whom the fans will cut some serious slack to, just as they did with Remi Garde. Hughton seems an obvious choice
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My two favourites are
Dyche + Houghton
Both decent young managers who have some premiership experience
Hughton is two years older than Steve Bruce. He's 57.
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My two favourites are
Dyche + Houghton
Both decent young managers who have some premiership experience
I think if it was an out of work manager it would have been announced by now
Why would Dyche want to leave a promoted Burnley to stay in the Championship with Villa ?
Aston Villa in the championship is a million times bigger than Burnley in the Prem.
And Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich etc etc
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At some point, Dyche is going to have to step up to a bigger club in order to increase his stock. After two promotions with them, he must be thinking about what he does next...yes it means staying in the Championship but the score for growth must be ten times bigger here than Turf Moor.
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Dyche... I reckon. He has a funny voice.
Would be my choice too but, as stated by a few others, can't see him leaving Burnley - and probably a massive bonus for getting them into the PL - to come back down to the Championship with a club that has been in freefall for 5 seasons on the trot.
Same with Hughton.
Bugger!
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At some point, Dyche is going to have to step up to a bigger club in order to increase his stock. After two promotions with them, he must be thinking about what he does next...yes it means staying in the Championship but the score for growth must be ten times bigger here than Turf Moor.
I'm hoping he sees it this way too, Des/andyh!
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Outside chance of Eddie Howe?
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I agree with rob_bridge on another thread, Steve Bruce is a spent force.
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At some point, Dyche is going to have to step up to a bigger club in order to increase his stock. After two promotions with them, he must be thinking about what he does next...yes it means staying in the Championship but the score for growth must be ten times bigger here than Turf Moor.
Yes true, but he might just see keeping them up this time as the next stage of his develpoment and improving his saleablilty
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I'm not dismissing the impact of the assistants at Leicester but it appears they are almost disproportionately credited for the success of the pre-PL, and recovery of the team in Pearson's time there. I never hear them criticized for their part in the early season struggles, yet Pearson is. Also are they the reason that Leicester will win the league or is it Ranieri? My point here is success and failure is a team effort. Players and coaches, so Pearson should be credited equally along with his staff for any success at Leicester including player recruitment, as much as he should accept his part in the earlier struggles.
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Outside chance of Eddie Howe?
None at all. If anything, I think he may well go to Everton if/when Martinez goes. Didn't Howe come out as an Everton fan recently too?
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I may be wrong but I am getting the feeling that the manager they want has unfinished business at the club they are at or they want a break until the end of the season.
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I may be wrong but I am getting the feeling that the manager they want has unfinished business at the club they are at or they want a break until the end of the season.
Yes, if correct then it worth waiting.
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Can't make my mind up about Pearson.However,the vast majority of my acquaintances that I attend with want either Moyes or him.
There's little appetite for the McCarthy's,Bruce's and usual Championship suspects.
I've made the case for Howe,Dyche and Hughton in that order,which to all intents is probably a case for Hughton.
I can't see us meeting Moyes's financial package,or rather his attendant background staff, as well as providing relevant funds to spend.I can see him rolling up at the Tesco bags.Achievement there would be a top ten finish....consecutively and he won't be Pulis.
So if we end up making plans for Nigel I suspect it'll be a rollercoaster.I think there is a element of bravado and ego but maybe we need some of the wasters and underachievers fronted out.With regard to his background staff,surely a career in football management at many levels ,leads you like any business,in to plenty of people whom you know,admire,respect,but they can't all work with you everytime.If you know how you like to operate,is it a case of finding characters and skillsets to match.
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Rowett's comments about us in the Mail today show that he's a decent chap. And way too good for them.
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to be fair a new manager would be well advised getting the board to do the necessary dirty work before they arrive
That includes
getting rid of somehow in order of importance - Gabby,Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Sanchez, Bacuna, Gil, Sinclair, Cissokho, Hutton, Kozak,
cashing in on those who will have better offers quickly - Ayew, Gueye, Veretout, Traore, Okore (second three might do well to secure better clubs)
keeping - Grealish, Amavi
buying - pretty much a new team
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to be fair a new manager would be well advised getting the board to do the necessary dirty work before they arrive
That includes
getting rid of somehow in order of importance - Gabby,Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Sanchez, Bacuna, Gil, Sinclair, Cissokho, Hutton, Kozak,
cashing in on those who will have better offers quickly - Ayew, Gueye, Veretout, Traore, Okore (second three might do well to secure better clubs)
keeping - Grealish, Amavi
buying - pretty much a new team
No, we keep anyone we can keep who's good enough. We don't have to cash in, and should only sell Ayew, for instance, if the offer's really good.
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to be fair a new manager would be well advised getting the board to do the necessary dirty work before they arrive
That includes
getting rid of somehow in order of importance - Gabby,Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Sanchez, Bacuna, Gil, Sinclair, Cissokho, Hutton, Kozak,
cashing in on those who will have better offers quickly - Ayew, Gueye, Veretout, Traore, Okore (second three might do well to secure better clubs)
keeping - Grealish, Amavi
buying - pretty much a new team
No, we keep anyone we can keep who's good enough. We don't have to cash in, and should only sell Ayew, for instance, if the offer's really good.
Or if their contract means we don't have a choice.
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to be fair a new manager would be well advised getting the board to do the necessary dirty work before they arrive
That includes
getting rid of somehow in order of importance - Gabby,Richards, Lescott, Guzan, Sanchez, Bacuna, Gil, Sinclair, Cissokho, Hutton, Kozak,
cashing in on those who will have better offers quickly - Ayew, Gueye, Veretout, Traore, Okore (second three might do well to secure better clubs)
keeping - Grealish, Amavi
buying - pretty much a new team
No, we keep anyone we can keep who's good enough. We don't have to cash in, and should only sell Ayew, for instance, if the offer's really good.
Or if their contract means we don't have a choice.
As if we'd do something like that.
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That too.
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I don't think there's any chance we'll find out who it before the end of the season. Anybody in a job will want to/be contracted to see the season out, and anybody out of a job will want to get going once this shambles of a season is done and dusted, and not have anything to do with it. It's not like there's a chance of rescuing the situation, and a handful of games isn't going to materially affect anything from a confidence point of view.
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Rowett's comments about us in the Mail today show that he's a decent chap. And way too good for them.
My Bloonose brother-in-law reckons he is nailed on to go to Derby in the Summer.
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Rowett's comments about us in the Mail today show that he's a decent chap. And way too good for them.
My Bloonose brother-in-law reckons he is nailed on to go to Derby in the Summer.
I wish he'd come to us. I think he'd do really well.
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I may be wrong but I am getting the feeling that the manager they want has unfinished business at the club they are at or they want a break until the end of the season.
Yes, if correct then it worth waiting.
Martin O'Neill after the European Championships ???
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There is so little movement in the betting market that I am increasingly coming round to the view the there will not even be an approach to a new manager until the season is over. The same mindset prevails now as did in January. Namely why rush anything and pay over the odds and likely get knocked back.
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There is so little movement in the betting market that I am increasingly coming round to the view the there will not even be an approach to a new manager until the season is over. The same mindset prevails now as did in January. Namely why rush anything and pay over the odds and likely get knocked back.
I was hoping that we would have the new man in place so that he could look at our wonderful squad and start the cull ASAP. Perhaps we have our man but aren't going to announce it? There isn't any point in taking over full managerial duties for the last 5 games I suppose. If we wait until the close season we know what will happen, this shower will 'get another chance to impress', perish the thought.
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Rowett's comments about us in the Mail today show that he's a decent chap. And way too good for them.
My Bloonose brother-in-law reckons he is nailed on to go to Derby in the Summer.
I wish he'd come to us. I think he'd do really well.
totally agree
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Rowett's comments about us in the Mail today show that he's a decent chap. And way too good for them.
My Bloonose brother-in-law reckons he is nailed on to go to Derby in the Summer.
I wish he'd come to us. I think he'd do really well.
totally agree
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As much as I'd love him to be manager (and yes, he's way too good for that lot!) IMO we can't afford to gamble again with another young inexperienced manager.
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As much as I'd love him to be manager (and yes, he's way too good for that lot!) IMO we can't afford to gamble again with another young inexperienced manager.
At what point does a manager become experienced? Rowett has been in charge of 220 matches, he's hardly Tim Sherwood.
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According to Pat Murphy on the Beeb, the board are meeting on Wednesday to start talking about it and drawing up a shortlist.
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Rowett knows what it's about, and certainly isn't flighty or unsteely. He also knows how to get good football out of not-so-good players.
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Don't know why, but I've an inkling Bruce is the man we'll get. Not my choice, just a gut feeling.
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All it takes is for a new day to arrive, a new name to be thrown in or an old name to be mentioned again for the markets to move and the opinions among supporters to fluctuate. In reality none of us knows who actually is a candidate outside of educated guesses and rampant paranoia.
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I'd rather get a move on - players assessed, pre-season planned, coaching staff resolved. The championship season starts a week earlier than the Prem, we run a massive risk of going into the season even more unprepared than last season.
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Don't know why, but I've an inkling Bruce is the man we'll get. Not my choice, just a gut feeling.
'Gut' being the operative word. I doubt his innards have needed to digest a salad since his playing days looking at the size of him.
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According to Pat Murphy on the Beeb, the board are meeting on Wednesday to start talking about it and drawing up a shortlist.
Ah, that'd be nice, if they wouldn't fucking mind. What's it been now, two weeks?
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I would certainly be happy with Rowett or Houghton. I'm not convinced by Bruce although I wouldn't be too disappointed as he's always done ok and is a decent bloke.
Moyes is still my preferred choice and I've red far more positive things regarding Pearson than I expected, it's just his very temperamental side to his nature is so hard to ignore. I know Fergie had a very angry and hard side to his nature but he wasn't somewhat of a loose canon.
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I am told that Fat Sam would like an opportunity to manage the Villa - looking at those names mentioned already I think he would do a job as well of any of those - he is a good organiser and doesn`t take shit off players - in the past he has recruited decent talent from overseas too. Pay him well to return us back to the top league and review his position once the job is completed.
To those who state the football wouldn`t be pretty - who cares ? We need to stem the flow of goals going in and find a couple of strikers who score ugly goals - lots of em.
Lets hope the board have a plan that is put in place immediately - we need a manager in place now rather than May so he can start plotting signings for pre season.
Like others I like the idea of buying the best players from the existing Championship clubs together with some loans in from some of the Premier clubs.
Am I confident that we will be this proactive? Based upon Lerners` (in) actions over the last few seasons - not a chance!
Despite not yet being officially relegated I am receiving lots of genuine sympathy from Evertonians, RedShite, Mancs (Blue and Red)
All bemused by the way our once great club has become so inept -
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Big Sam would be OK as would Rowett, although more of a risk. Houghton would be a no from me as he appeared clueless at Norwich the season they went down.
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According to Pat Murphy on the Beeb, the board are meeting on Wednesday to start talking about it and drawing up a shortlist.
Ah, that'd be nice, if they wouldn't fucking mind. What's it been now, two weeks?
It doesn't really matter now. We know we'll have a new manager soon and I'd rather they took their time when it's not going to have any negative impact provided the new man is in right at the start of the summer.
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After championing Lambert, I have absolutely no idea who would do a decent job.
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After championing Lambert, I have absolutely no idea who would do a decent job.
I feel the same after my OGS fanboyism & Garde enthusiasm.
I have no fecking clue what makes a good manager. I hope the new footballing board does.
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Rowett's comments about us in the Mail today show that he's a decent chap. And way too good for them.
My Bloonose brother-in-law reckons he is nailed on to go to Derby in the Summer.
I wish he'd come to us. I think he'd do really well.
totally agree
I am also in complete agreement but I seem to know as much as anyone which is fuck all. I too wanted Lambert.
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According to Pat Murphy on the Beeb, the board are meeting on Wednesday to start talking about it and drawing up a shortlist.
Ah, that'd be nice, if they wouldn't mind. What's it been now, two weeks?
I would hope they are considering this appointment very carefully, checking informal references, other background checks, seeing who may be interested. It seems sensible to me.
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Seems sensible to sit and do nothing for two weeks, until this coming Wednesday?
Sounds shambolic, to me. This process should have started as soon as it was official RG was off the books.
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Seems sensible to sit and do nothing for two weeks, until this coming Wednesday?
Sounds shambolic, to me. This process should have started as soon as it was official RG was off the books.
Why? What difference would it have made?
And also, no-one said that the process hadn't started i.e. sounding out potential applicants, receiving applications, just that they're going to sit and draw up their shortlist.
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fine but let's hope there's more than one name on this one
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Its only a Pat Murphy story. We shouldn't get worked up about it until its reported by a reputable source.
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fine but let's hope there's more than one name on this one
Indeed.
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We already know some of the criteria,
He will be English and have Championship experience
so there must have already been some discussion about it
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I'm sure they've individually been thinking about the options and cultivating opinion amongst contacts. There is genuinely no rush at present, especially if the man we want is employed.
There was a lot of chat about Newcastle a few pages back. Sunderland were more relevant a comparison. A pathetic excuse of a side, win 3, draw 6 and lose the rest, scoring less than 30 goals. Go down, start badly yet win the league. The right man in that instance was a lunatic and a managerial novice.
It's important we get it right, get rid of three or four bad eggs and refresh the squad with pace, quality and strength of character, from back to front.
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Seems sensible to sit and do nothing for two weeks, until this coming Wednesday?
Sounds shambolic, to me. This process should have started as soon as it was official RG was off the books.
We only have Pat Murphy's word that it's the case. I doubt Wednesday will be the first time the board have talked about a new manager. Maybe it's the first 'official' board meeting about it?
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We already know some of the criteria,
He will be English and have Championship experience
so there must have already been some discussion about it
Great ruling out candidates
Suppose McLeish not in the running yet
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Sorry if its old news but according to the commentator on the Sky game between Nottingham Forest & Brighton, Forest are wanting Nigel Pearson to take over and he is at the game this evening
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According to Pat Murphy on the Beeb, the board are meeting on Wednesday to start talking about it and drawing up a shortlist.
Ah, that'd be nice, if they wouldn't fucking mind. What's it been now, two weeks?
I would imagine agents have already been spoken to, to drum up and test out the interest and applications or declarations of interest received. I doubt for one minute that they are only now getting around to getting it sorted.
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Sorry if its old news but according to the commentator on the Sky game between Nottingham Forest & Brighton, Forest are wanting Nigel Pearson to take over and he is at the game this evening
I want that as well.
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Sorry if its old news but according to the commentator on the Sky game between Nottingham Forest & Brighton, Forest are wanting Nigel Pearson to take over and he is at the game this evening
I want that as well.
I think Pearson would be great for Forest, always said it. Match made in heaven.
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Sorry if its old news but according to the commentator on the Sky game between Nottingham Forest & Brighton, Forest are wanting Nigel Pearson to take over and he is at the game this evening
I want that as well.
That's the best news I've heard all day.
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Rowett's comments about us in the Mail today show that he's a decent chap. And way too good for them.
My Bloonose brother-in-law reckons he is nailed on to go to Derby in the Summer.
I wish he'd come to us. I think he'd do really well.
totally agree
Didn't you know, we are all too small minded to accept an ex Birmingham manager. Apparently, that's the only reason we didn't want McLeish.
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Maybe he's just checking out our opponents for next season!
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My two favourites are
Dyche + Houghton
Why would Dyche want to leave a promoted Burnley to stay in the Championship with Villa ?
Same reasons Graham Taylor left Watford to join us, ambition and money.
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+ ego.
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Rowett's comments about us in the Mail today show that he's a decent chap. And way too good for them.
My Bloonose brother-in-law reckons he is nailed on to go to Derby in the Summer.
I wish he'd come to us. I think he'd do really well.
totally agree
Didn't you know, we are all too small minded to accept an ex Birmingham manager. Apparently, that's the only reason we didn't want McLeish.
Of all the myths which the bogstandard pundits have about the Villa, that's probably the one that pisses me off the most.
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If Hull go up surely Bruce will stay, if Hull don't go up, Newcastle go down and Benitez goes then I would have thought he would be keen to manage Newcastle rather than us,
I'd see that as good news but I have not seen a single candidate that I would like to see appointed, no idea who it should be.
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Strike one off the list ??
Http://www.nottinghampost.com/Nottingham-Forest-manager-target-Nigel-Pearson/story-29091513-detail/story.html
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Which recent manager, in your opinion, has been a 'classless cock-socket'? For me, I'd have to go back to O'Leary to find a manager who fitted that description.
O'Neill for most of his time here was classy. The manner in which he left was unclassy, I'll grant you.
McLeish was out of his depth, but a perfect gent in a no-win situation.
Lambert was genuine, but like McLeish was way out of his depth.
Sherwood kept us up against the odds and got us to a cup final, before imploding. Another one out of his depth and struggling against player power. He was brash, but what was unclassy about him?
Garde inherited a cluster fuck and wasn't backed by Lerner. From what I saw, he conducted himself with class throughout his short stint.
Black's just care taking til a new manager comes in. And he knows it. Dropped Gabby after the sheesha incident, which is what most of us would have done.
I missed out Houllier in there. He did a few things to piss the fans off, but I thought him and GMac were a decent managerial team. Other than fawning over His former club Liverpool, what did he do to be described as a classless cock-socket?
We've just been saddled with a series of poor appointments since O'neill left, as the club has looked to do things on the cheap. I'd argue none of those above since O'Leary could be described as class-less cock-sockets in the company of the likes of O'Leary, current Newcastle manager, Pearson, warnock etc.
Doesn't really matter anyway, I'd take the likes of classless cock-sockets such as Wenger or Fergie, even mourinho, if it meant we had a chance of actually winning something again.
Edit: sorry. Quite fail. This was in response to VID's last post a few pages back. I'll get me coat...
Also quoting from a few pages back:)
The classless cock sockets I was referring to were our esteemed senior players such as Agbonlahor, Richards and N'Zogbia.
You're correct that generally, our managers tend to be decent sorts. Prior to O'Leary, who the last one to get under my skin whilst in the job, you've probably got to go back to Bingo Billy to find one who was objectionable.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/11/newcastle-would-have-to-pay-jonjo-shelvey-80000-a-week-in-the-ch/
Sweet baby jesus and the orphans.
Seems no matter how badly we're run, Newcastle are always worse.
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I was told earlier that Pearson's already got the job and we're waiting until the end of the season to announce it as he doesn't want a relegation on his CV. Just passing on what I've heard.
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I was told earlier that Pearson's already got the job and we're waiting until the end of the season to announce it as he doesn't want a relegation on his CV. Just passing on what I've heard.
Why would it be "on his CV" if the club announced now "Nigel Pearson will be Aston Villa manager from June 2016"?
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I was told earlier that Pearson's already got the job and we're waiting until the end of the season to announce it as he doesn't want a relegation on his CV. Just passing on what I've heard.
Why would it be "on his CV" if the club announced now "Nigel Pearson will be Aston Villa manager from June 2016"?
and by extension he still wouldn't be the manager if all he did was watch Villa games from the stands for the balance of the season.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/11/newcastle-would-have-to-pay-jonjo-shelvey-80000-a-week-in-the-ch/
Sweet baby jesus and the orphans.
Seems no matter how badly we're run, Newcastle are always worse.
A leaked story from Newcastle to make his life uncomfortable, even if it does make them look daft?
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The biggest worry for me where Newcastle are concerned is the thought of Steven Taylor playing for Villa.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/11/newcastle-would-have-to-pay-jonjo-shelvey-80000-a-week-in-the-ch/
Sweet baby jesus and the orphans.
Seems no matter how badly we're run, Newcastle are always worse.
I quite like the "He's in it for the long haul" quote.
For £80K per week, regardless of division, I bet he is. Just like our mercurial No 11 has been in it for the long haul.
Still, look on the bright side. We could pick up Andros Townsend for a knock down £8M. They'll have only lost £4M in 5 months on that one?
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/11/newcastle-would-have-to-pay-jonjo-shelvey-80000-a-week-in-the-ch/
Sweet baby jesus and the orphans.
Seems no matter how badly we're run, Newcastle are always worse.
A leaked story from Newcastle to make his life uncomfortable, even if it does make them look daft?
I reckon his life will be pretty comfortable.
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I was told earlier that Pearson's already got the job and we're waiting until the end of the season to announce it as he doesn't want a relegation on his CV. Just passing on what I've heard.
Why would it be "on his CV" if the club announced now "Nigel Pearson will be Aston Villa manager from June 2016"?
and by extension he still wouldn't be the manager if all he did was watch Villa games from the stands for the balance of the season.
I definitely prefer the story about him being the next Forest manager.
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The Pearson for Forest campaign starts here.
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I was told earlier that Pearson's already got the job and we're waiting until the end of the season to announce it as he doesn't want a relegation on his CV. Just passing on what I've heard.
Why would it be "on his CV" if the club announced now "Nigel Pearson will be Aston Villa manager from June 2016"?
and by extension he still wouldn't be the manager if all he did was watch Villa games from the stands for the balance of the season.
I definitely prefer the story about him being the next Forest manager.
If it means we are getting some one better then I am all for it.
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The biggest worry for me where Newcastle are concerned is the thought of Steven Taylor playing for Villa.
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The Pearson for Forest campaign starts here.
That's the theme for the banners against Southampton sorted.
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Sorry if its old news but according to the commentator on the Sky game between Nottingham Forest & Brighton, Forest are wanting Nigel Pearson to take over and he is at the game this evening
I want that as well.
I think Pearson would be great for Forest, always said it. Match made in heaven.
He's from Nottingham I think, so there might be a link there.
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Ahem......
Strike one off the list ??
Http://www.nottinghampost.com/Nottingham-Forest-manager-target-Nigel-Pearson/story-29091513-detail/story.html
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If Pearson goes to Forest I fancy a small investment on them finishing above us next year. Not because I favour Pearson as our manager but because Forest would hit the ground running in August. I have serious reservations that the problems at Villa Park can be sorted out in the next four months, especially so since we seem to have fallen into let's-not-be-hasty mode and the problems are so institutionalised.
I have the horrible feeling that the discussions going on around the boardroom table about a new manager are very similar to the discussions that went on in January about bringing in new players. Debate and counter debate that actually goes nowhere. Is it an Arabic proverb about the mountain gestating and bringing forth a mouse?
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Pearson to Forest? Bring it on. I guess the key factor in who we appoint for me is in whether we will clear the decks of the senior players. If so, a couple of years of someone like Hughton is fine (as long they are ruthless further down the line like Southampton binning Adkins for Pochettino).
If the bulk of the wastrels will still be here then you need a name big enough that they actually respect him.
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Spot on Chelts. Remi Garde could not crack the dressing room hardcore malingerers. That will be the first task of a new manager. Bit like asking a concert pianist to get his own piano on stage before the music can actually begin.
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You see they might fall in line under "a name" like Moyes. Throw Sean Dyche in and they will be even worse.
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Get the manager in now. It's imperative that he gets the chance to assess the players before they disappear over the summer.
First job is ditching the two captains.
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In another similar context my son Damon summed it up when he said Ferguson's big advantage over less successful managers was that if he said he would punch you in the nose he would punch you in the nose.
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I think we could certainly count on Nigel doing that; I'm just not sure I want a Villa manager behaving in such a fashion, at least not literally.
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Agree Mr U. I should have added that it is a rarer combination to have an Alex Ferguson who commanded obedience without the character defects that frequently go with being able to dominate rebellious players. We need a good manager with a ruthless side to his nature, not a compulsive bully.
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Just been told by a forest fan who was there last night she saw Pearson in the directors box. Could be nothing but looks ominous
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Just been told by a forest fan who was there last night she saw Pearson in the directors box. Could be nothing but looks ominous
I didn't want him. However, if the Board did then not getting him would be very poor indeed. We've had several weeks to think about this and really should be in a position to sign up anyone currently out of work or at the very least have very strong indications from agents of anyone in work.
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Just been told by a forest fan who was there last night she saw Pearson in the directors box. Could be nothing but looks ominous
Ominous? If he's lined up for the Forest then that's fine by me, but if he's coming here at least here's out there looking at players and checking on Gary Gardner at Championship level.
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Or he could just be doing what most out of work managers do, and go to games to keep their eye in.
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The new manager needs to come in asap and roll up his sleeves to get busy.
I'm sick of the way Villa dither. For example when Garde was appointed in November was about 4 games too late. There was an international break which would have been perfect for squad assessment, however we again messed it up. Didn't get his preferred assistants either (which may have been crucial. with people who had his back he might have been able to impose himself over the players who knows?)
Similar flap to the Houlier debarcle. As if anyone is going to associate the relegation to someone who starts now? Garde will probably say the same. "I went there but they were already down. In their minds"
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After speaking to a couple of Preston fans and watching a few of their games last year, I wouldn't be too disappointed with Grayson.
Low profile perhaps and I remember him as a rather unremarkable footballer but could be a good fit.
A risk but most of the names mentioned are.
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Grayson would be a very underwhelming appointment. Everton fans were abusing Martinez at an U21 game last night, they really hate him so I'm wondering if Moyes is waiting for that one to come up. I haven't been paying any attention to Everton but they are similar to us last season in that if they didn't have a prolific striker in Lukaku then they would be down there with us.
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Grayson would be a very underwhelming appointment. Everton fans were abusing Martinez at an U21 game last night, they really hate him so I'm wondering if Moyes is waiting for that one to come up. I haven't been paying any attention to Everton but they are similar to us last season in that if they didn't have a prolific striker in Lukaku then they would be down there with us.
Moyes to Everton. Martinez to WBA. Pulis to.. oh wait...
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Could be Everton are already lining up a new Boss :
´Everton rumours: Marcelo Bielsa 'sounded out to be next manager'
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-rumours-marcelo-bielsa-sounded-11165905
Tbh...I wouldn´t have minded this guy,.........Godzvilla!
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After speaking to a couple of Preston fans and watching a few of their games last year, I wouldn't be too disappointed with Grayson.
Low profile perhaps and I remember him as a rather unremarkable footballer but could be a good fit.
A risk but most of the names mentioned are.
Grayson ticks lots of boxes.
Experience at Championship level - check
Experience (and success) at big club - check
Promotions at every club he has been at - check
Currently working so 'match fit' - check
Gets on with Brian Little - check
Ex Villa (for what that is worth) - check
He only really lacks top flight experience but we wont have to worry about that for at least 12 months. Moyes is my first choice but he is my realistic choice.
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After speaking to a couple of Preston fans and watching a few of their games last year, I wouldn't be too disappointed with Grayson.
Low profile perhaps and I remember him as a rather unremarkable footballer but could be a good fit.
A risk but most of the names mentioned are.
Grayson ticks lots of boxes.
Experience at Championship level - check
Experience (and success) at big club - check
Promotions at every club he has been at - check
Currently working so 'match fit' - check
Gets on with Brian Little - check
Ex Villa (for what that is worth) - check
He only really lacks top flight experience but we wont have to worry about that for at least 12 months. Moyes is my first choice but he is my realistic choice.
Well, even the experienced managers supposedly in the mix have question marks against them, so if we're going down the 'next Eddie Howe' route, why not?
It'd be good news for Callum Robinson at least, he obviously rates him after taking him on loan twice.
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"Scored a screamer against the Stripey Filth" - check
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"Scored a screamer against the Stripey Filth" - check
Took his top off and twirled it round his head too, Duncan Ferguson stylee.
I liked Larry as a player, he was limited but gave it his all. He'd be our best player in this team.
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I don't think they'll be bricking it at all. A lot of them will be relishing the prospect of playing us.
I bet they all wanted Newcastle too a few seasons back and most teams just got blown away. Everyone wants to play us now and I don't doubt we'd struggle against a League 2 side. It won't be like that next season and certainly not if we prepared ourselves correctly.
The last bit of your final sentence is the all important part. There's a lot of work to do, and comparisons with Newcastle of a few years ago don't really hold up.
They were abysmal like us. Had a comedy manager in charge, overpaid players who wanted nothing to do with the club, and a board just as useless and chaotic. There are plenty of parallels.
Didn't they keep most of their squad together though ? If we do that we wont be returning at the first attempt.
They did. My point being Newcastle fans were probably saying exactly the same thing at the time. That they needed wholesale changes. And I bet they were hardly tickled pink by Hughton becoming their manager tasked with bringing them back up. Yet somehow he galvanized them to piss the division. I'm not so naive to think we would do the same but we need to get out of this season get a good manager in who won't divide and alienate these players. We are not getting rid of all of them, so whoever comes in will need to make this group play as a unit. It's not an impossible task.
Maybe not impossible but certainly beyond any manager we have had since MON.
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Just been told by a forest fan who was there last night she saw Pearson in the directors box. Could be nothing but looks ominous
Looks awesome to me - thank Christ
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Good luck Nottingham Fucking Ostrich Forest.
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We are making staff redundant, yet supposedly we are prepared to waste £2miiion on Bruce!!
If I were a member of staff at the Villa who was being made redundant, I would ask where is the money coming from for the compensation for the new manager?
For me if it is fat Bruce, mad mick, hughton then after 20 plus years of being a season ticket holder, I will not be renewing
We need a manager who has not been associated with Blues, the job will be hard enough without having that as a stick to beat the new man with
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if they were brilliant I wouldn't mind what previous they had. But Brucie is a tad underwhelming for me so fingers crossed he's not on the list.
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Grayson would be a very underwhelming appointment. Everton fans were abusing Martinez at an U21 game last night, they really hate him so I'm wondering if Moyes is waiting for that one to come up. I haven't been paying any attention to Everton but they are similar to us last season in that if they didn't have a prolific striker in Lukaku then they would be down there with us.
Moyes to Everton. Martinez to WBA. Pulis to.. oh wait...
Moyes to Everton? After reading some of the thoughts of their fans about him that have been posted on here, I doubt that very much.
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If Hull do not go up, that will be relegation and failing to get a club promoted in the last two seasons for Bruce. Considering how they folded last year and look to be doing the same this season, what would the Club be going on to offer him the job.
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We are making staff redundant, yet supposedly we are prepared to waste £2miiion on Bruce!!
If I were a member of staff at the Villa who was being made redundant, I would ask where is the money coming from for the compensation for the new manager?
For me if it is fat Bruce, mad mick, hughton then after 20 plus years of being a season ticket holder, I will not be renewing
We need a manager who has not been associated with Blues, the job will be hard enough without having that as a stick to beat the new man with
No one has said we're even going for Bruce and if they have , it's just speculation.
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There is not anyone in that list of underacheivers that excites me.
Moyes I would see as the only potential, yet when he was linked with us while at Everton I did not want him.
I know it is only paper talk but to even consider Bruce adding us to the clutch of clubs he has failed at makes me drop my head in despair.
This is big decision time, dont fuck up.
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We are making staff redundant, yet supposedly we are prepared to waste £2miiion on Bruce!!
If I were a member of staff at the Villa who was being made redundant, I would ask where is the money coming from for the compensation for the new manager?
For me if it is fat Bruce, mad mick, hughton then after 20 plus years of being a season ticket holder, I will not be renewing
We need a manager who has not been associated with Blues, the job will be hard enough without having that as a stick to beat the new man with
If we took on Rowett and he didn't perform, the last thing I'd pay any attention to would be his previous employer. I don't want Bruce for the same reason I didn't want McLeish... I don't think he's the right manager for us. An ex Birmingham manager getting us promoted would actually add a dimension to the pleasure.
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This new Villa manager selection is starting to remind me of how the EU select their president. Rather than go for the best man to get the job done, the insecurities of it's individual members dismiss those most capable by their nationality until eventually a compromise is reached that offends nobody, mainly due to the nominee being a desk johnny with no real leadership experience, skills or vision.
Our selection criteria of finding an English/British manager that has experience in the Championship and the PL is the equivalent of searching for a new EU president in Luxembourg.
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Looked up Bernstein's record as Chairman at Man City to see the type of Manager he picked. He was chairman from 1998 to 2003.
His first of two Managers was Joe Royle, who got them promoted from League1/Div 3 via the play offs in his first season. Then in his second got them promoted to the top division. They were relegated sgain in his 3rd season back to Div 2/Championship. He was then sacked.
Replaced by Kevin Keegan who got City up straight away back to the Prem. KK still manager when Bernstein left the club.
Re the Martinez mention above. Believe he signed a 5 year contract in 2014. So it will cost Everton a lot to sack him, or another club in compensation if they wanted him.
Personally I would prefer Rodgers, if he has the mental strength to deal with the wastrels in the first team squad.
Think the Championship could be Grsydon's glass ceiling.
The though of another dour Scot does not appeal. Then the memories of Docherty, McNeil, McLeish, Lambert are not good to say the least.
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This new Villa manager selection is starting to remind me of how the EU select their president. Rather than go for the best man to get the job done, the insecurities of it's individual members dismiss those most capable by their nationality until eventually a compromise is reached that offends nobody, mainly due to the nominee being a desk johnny with no real leadership experience, skills or vision.
Our selection criteria of finding an English/British manager that has experience in the Championship and the PL is the equivalent of searching for a new EU president in Luxembourg.
The skill set that is going to be required by our new manager needs to be wide ranging. Fans focus one or two main points and the media usually only one to give impact to a story. As fans, we generally only see a small part of what a manager does. A brilliant coach on the training ground can sit unmoved in the dug-out. What impression do some fans have of that manager?
Most managers do not have all of the skills that the ideal manager would have. If they did, they would be managing the top clubs in the world. We will have to accept less than ideal but must select based on our circumstances. This must be based on what we need for next season and the following seasons. The costs in football these days mean that you cannot look to just short term.
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Grayson would be a very underwhelming appointment. Everton fans were abusing Martinez at an U21 game last night, they really hate him so I'm wondering if Moyes is waiting for that one to come up. I haven't been paying any attention to Everton but they are similar to us last season in that if they didn't have a prolific striker in Lukaku then they would be down there with us.
Moyes to Everton. Martinez to WBA. Pulis to.. oh wait...
Moyes to Everton? After reading some of the thoughts of their fans about him that have been posted on here, I doubt that very much.
Howe to Everton. Get 25p on it and treat yourself to something nice when it happens.
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Just been told by a forest fan who was there last night she saw Pearson in the directors box. Could be nothing but looks ominous
He always does.
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very good
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I don't particularly like Pearson because it is more likely than not he would be toxic. However, if he does end up at Forest, I can see them becoming a decent force next year.
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I don't particularly like Pearson because it is more likely than not he would be toxic. However, if he does end up at Forest, I can see them becoming a decent force next year.
quite a few people on here seem to think he would be a success just not at Villa?
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I don't particularly like Pearson because it is more likely than not he would be toxic. However, if he does end up at Forest, I can see them becoming a decent force next year.
quite a few people on here seem to think he would be a success just not at Villa?
I could easily see him making them better than they currently are, and probably fixing them between 6th - 12th in the league, just like he did in both his seasons with Hull and his first two years with Leicester.
I'd just hope we're aiming for a bit better than that.
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I think quite a few people are going to be disappointed if they're expecting better than the names being bandied around at the moment.
Nothing in our recent history points to us suddenly spending more money or being more ambitious. A division lower, with job cuts all around, I can't see us suddenly attracting a top class manager to the club.
I'm just hoping it's one of the better names on the list, and hopefully one with plenty to proof and the character to fight the current lack of will within the squad as a whole.
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I hope he's 100% proof.
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I don't particularly like Pearson because it is more likely than not he would be toxic. However, if he does end up at Forest, I can see them becoming a decent force next year.
quite a few people on here seem to think he would be a success just not at Villa?
I could easily see him making them better than they currently are, and probably fixing them between 6th - 12th in the league, just like he did in both his seasons with Hull and his first two years with Leicester.
I'd just hope we're aiming for a bit better than that.
Like who, Dave?
Edit: Oh and you need to check your records on Leicester, Pearson never had them finishing 12th.
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Edit: Oh and you need to check your records on Leicester, Pearson never had them finishing 12th.
I didn't say that he did. I said that I'd expect him to take Forest to 6th - 12th.
We can change it to 5th - 11th if that makes you happier. His Championship record over that time was 5th with Leicester, 11th with Hull, 9th with Leicester and then 6th with Leicester.
Incidentally, while he was getting Leicester to 6th, Steve Bruce was taking his former Hull team to automatic promotion. If Pearson is this managerial behemoth who we would be fools not to hire, why was he pissing around in mid-table with Hull when a limited manager like Bruce got them promoted at the first attempt?
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I saw speculation linking Bielsa with Everton yesterday. I don't think how much it costs to get rid of Martinez will be that much of an issue with the new money in the club and the TV cash going up, and Martinez is increasingly unpopular there.
I really wanted Moyes at first, but I'm coming round to the idea of Rodgers. He did good things at Swansea. And he has a lovely portrait of himself in his house.
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I saw speculation linking Bielsa with Everton yesterday. I don't think how much it costs to get rid of Martinez will be that much of an issue with the new money in the club and the TV cash going up, and Martinez is increasingly unpopular there.
I really wanted Moyes at first, but I'm coming round to the idea of Rodgers. He did good things at Swansea. And he has a lovely portrait of himself in his house.
and if the floodlights ever failed he could beam his shiny teeth on to the pitch!
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My teeth are like stars. They come out at night.
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I saw speculation linking Bielsa with Everton yesterday. I don't think how much it costs to get rid of Martinez will be that much of an issue with the new money in the club and the TV cash going up, and Martinez is increasingly unpopular there.
I really wanted Moyes at first, but I'm coming round to the idea of Rodgers. He did good things at Swansea. And he has a lovely portrait of himself in his house.
Could we get Bielsa instead? Sure would be nice to be pleasantly surprised by the club for a change.
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I saw speculation linking Bielsa with Everton yesterday. I don't think how much it costs to get rid of Martinez will be that much of an issue with the new money in the club and the TV cash going up, and Martinez is increasingly unpopular there.
I really wanted Moyes at first, but I'm coming round to the idea of Rodgers. He did good things at Swansea. And he has a lovely portrait of himself in his house.
Could we get Bielsa instead? Sure would be nice to be pleasantly surprised by the club for a change.
We should at least ask the question. He's sufficiently batshit to want take it on.
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Yes, yes and thrice yes.
We have no intention of doing it mind but the thought of him drawing pictures on Flabby's belly about where he needs to lose weight is very appealing.
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I saw speculation linking Bielsa with Everton yesterday. I don't think how much it costs to get rid of Martinez will be that much of an issue with the new money in the club and the TV cash going up, and Martinez is increasingly unpopular there.
I really wanted Moyes at first, but I'm coming round to the idea of Rodgers. He did good things at Swansea. And he has a lovely portrait of himself in his house.
Could we get Bielsa instead? Sure would be nice to be pleasantly surprised by the club for a change.
I don't know. What's his portrait situation?
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He is likely to hire a hit man to kill whoever comissioned it!
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I wanted Rodgers when we took Lambert. He seemed very good at press interviews. I think he then came up short at Liverpool once StevieG and the hungry lad were not there. So a decent manager but will he get us up and if he did , would he take us all the way to the title?? Great teeth
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PR was also at Forest last night
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Wrong thread I know, but as its the busiest, was just wondering how Big Ken is getting on, anyone heard anything?
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PR was also at Forest last night
Who?
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PR was also at Forest last night
Who?
Think he meant Pearson.
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I wanted Rodgers when we took Lambert. He seemed very good at press interviews. I think he then came up short at Liverpool once StevieG and the hungry lad were not there. So a decent manager but will he get us up and if he did , would he take us all the way to the title?? Great teeth
Rodgers got out tacticked by Lambert. More than once.
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PR was also at Forest last night
Who?
Think he meant Pearson.
So when he types the letters P and R he really means N and P?
Oh dear, this could get very confusing
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PR was also at Forest last night
Who?
Think he meant Pearson.
Paddy Reilly?
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I wanted Rodgers when we took Lambert. He seemed very good at press interviews. I think he then came up short at Liverpool once StevieG and the hungry lad were not there. So a decent manager but will he get us up and if he did , would he take us all the way to the title?? Great teeth
Rodgers got out tacticked by Lambert. More than once.
A virtual kick in the balls if ever there was one.
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Edit: Oh and you need to check your records on Leicester, Pearson never had them finishing 12th.
I didn't say that he did. I said that I'd expect him to take Forest to 6th - 12th.
We can change it to 5th - 11th if that makes you happier. His Championship record over that time was 5th with Leicester, 11th with Hull, 9th with Leicester and then 6th with Leicester.
Both Hull and Leicester were in a real mess when he found them with neither a pot to piss in. When he left Hull to rejoin Leicester he did indeed have them 11th but with a game in hand that could have seen them go 5th.
Incidentally, while he was getting Leicester to 6th, Steve Bruce was taking his former Hull team to automatic promotion. If Pearson is this managerial behemoth who we would be fools not to hire, why was he pissing around in mid-table with Hull when a limited manager like Bruce got them promoted at the first attempt?
I don't think anybody has said we would be fools not to hire, Pearson but only a blind man would fail to see he's left every club in a better place than when he found them. Nutter he may be but his record ain't half bad.
As for Bruce at Hull, his first season saw them climb from 8th to 2nd. A good achievement, agreed but he was lucky to avoid relegation the following, the wins he picked up in August and September helped keep them up as they lost 9 of the final 13 games. The less said about his second season in the PL the better other than he bought some crap and paid the price. Saying that, I like the man, like the other chap we had from Small Heath, he's a decent sort. In fact add Hughton to the list. His great season with Newcastle isn't enough to want him at Villa Park though. Norwich saw to that though he deserves credit for the job he's doing at Brighton.
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I saw speculation linking Bielsa with Everton yesterday. I don't think how much it costs to get rid of Martinez will be that much of an issue with [b[the new money in the club[/b] and the TV cash going up, and Martinez is increasingly unpopular there.
I really wanted Moyes at first, but I'm coming round to the idea of Rodgers. He did good things at Swansea. And he has a lovely portrait of himself in his house.
What new money?
Farhad Moshiri paid however many millions for a 49% share. The money went to the consortium that owned the club, of which Kenwright was by far the largest shareholder.
That consortium still owns a controlling interest, but Moshiri is now the largest single shareholder.
From a purely financial viewpoint the transition makes no sense if the expectation is that he'll pump money into a venture where he has no control.
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I wanted Rodgers when we took Lambert. He seemed very good at press interviews. I think he then came up short at Liverpool once StevieG and the hungry lad were not there. So a decent manager but will he get us up and if he did , would he take us all the way to the title?? Great teeth
Rodgers got out tacticked by Lambert. More than once.
A virtual kick in the balls if ever there was one.
I think Brendan Rodgers has one way of playing and is pretty inflexible, he doesn't (or didn't) do tactical changes. However it is a style of play - and absolute conviction in his beliefs - that I'd be happy for us to buy into.
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I don't think anybody has said we would be fools not to hire, Pearson but only a blind man would fail to see he's left every club in a better place than when he found them. Nutter he may be but his record ain't half bad.
And yet despite this record, almost every club has decided to dispense with his services in controversial circumstances.
Carlisle - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Southampton - Kept them up but sacked anyway (after 3 months)
Leicester #1 - About to be replaced by Paulo Sousa so walked
Leicester #2 - Kept them in Premier but board couldn't work with him any longer
Coincidence? Or impossible to work with?
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I don't think anybody has said we would be fools not to hire, Pearson but only a blind man would fail to see he's left every club in a better place than when he found them. Nutter he may be but his record ain't half bad.
And yet despite this record, almost every club has decided to dispense with his services in controversial circumstances.
Carlisle - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Southampton - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Leicester #1 - About to be replaced by Paulo Sousa so walked
Leicester #2 - Kept them in Premier but board couldn't work with him any longer
Coincidence? Or impossible to work with?
He wasn't doing too badly at Smethwick until they replaced him with Tony Mowbray and we all know how that ended.
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I don't think anybody has said we would be fools not to hire, Pearson but only a blind man would fail to see he's left every club in a better place than when he found them. Nutter he may be but his record ain't half bad.
And yet despite this record, almost every club has decided to dispense with his services in controversial circumstances.
Carlisle - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Southampton - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Leicester #1 - About to be replaced by Paulo Sousa so walked
Leicester #2 - Kept them in Premier but board couldn't work with him any longer
Coincidence? Or impossible to work with?
He wasn't doing too badly at Smethwick until they replaced him with Tony Mowbray and we all know how that ended.
Well there's another one to add to the list then - won 3 out of 4 games, but the board didn't want to keep him.
There's a pattern here. Generally decent results but getting sacked anyway. That's not normal, not 5 times in a managerial career.
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I don't think anybody has said we would be fools not to hire, Pearson but only a blind man would fail to see he's left every club in a better place than when he found them. Nutter he may be but his record ain't half bad.
And yet despite this record, almost every club has decided to dispense with his services in controversial circumstances.
Carlisle - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Southampton - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Leicester #1 - About to be replaced by Paulo Sousa so walked
Leicester #2 - Kept them in Premier but board couldn't work with him any longer
Coincidence? Or impossible to work with?
He wasn't doing too badly at Smethwick until they replaced him with Tony Mowbray and we all know how that ended.
Yes, watching them was like watching Brazil, or something like that.
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I don't think anybody has said we would be fools not to hire, Pearson but only a blind man would fail to see he's left every club in a better place than when he found them. Nutter he may be but his record ain't half bad.
And yet despite this record, almost every club has decided to dispense with his services in controversial circumstances.
Carlisle - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Southampton - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Leicester #1 - About to be replaced by Paulo Sousa so walked
Leicester #2 - Kept them in Premier but board couldn't work with him any longer
Coincidence? Or impossible to work with?
He wasn't doing too badly at Smethwick until they replaced him with Tony Mowbray and we all know how that ended.
Well there's another one to add to the list then - won 3 out of 4 games, but the board didn't want to keep him.
There's a pattern here. Generally decent results but getting sacked anyway. That's not normal, not 5 times in a managerial career.
I never even knew he'd been at half of those teams
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Hopefully we will start to move forward on the manager selection from tomorrow. Pat Murphy says the board are meeting to discuss candidates. Hopefully, Pearson isn't one of them. Moyes or Rodgers for me. If not, Dyche, Hughton or Bruce.
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Can't that same argument be levelled at Chris Hughton? Nice bloke, does a decent, even good job wherever he has been. Got fired after a short period at each club he's been at.
* the Noses aside
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Can't that same argument be levelled at Chris Hughton? Nice bloke, does a decent, even good job wherever he has been. Got fired after a short period at each club he's been at.
* the Noses aside
I suppose it could, yes.
Although generally it isn't after a very public fall-out, as it is with Pearson.
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Can't that same argument be levelled at Chris Hughton? Nice bloke, does a decent, even good job wherever he has been. Got fired after a short period at each club he's been at.
* the Noses aside
I suppose it could, yes.
Although generally it isn't after a very public fall-out, as it is with Pearson.
Chris Hughton has secured promotions from the Championship with two different clubs though.
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Maybe Pearson's style is along the lines of Mourinho, whereby he runs everything at breaking point. It's a good short term solution but not sustainable in the long term. That's probably the biggest complement that I can give Pearson to be honest and, I suppose, his brash style might turn the club around before we reach breaking point, at which point a new manager takes over..
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Can't that same argument be levelled at Chris Hughton? Nice bloke, does a decent, even good job wherever he has been. Got fired after a short period at each club he's been at.
* the Noses aside
I suppose it could, yes.
Although generally it isn't after a very public fall-out, as it is with Pearson.
Chris Hughton has secured promotions from the Championship with two different clubs though.
And that's the bizarre thing. He got two clubs promoted yet within a year or so he got fired and neither club was in any significant trouble. Whether it is a public falling out, a mutual parting of the ways or your bog standard firing he still was forced to leave the club.
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Hughton was doing a decent job at Newcastle too but got dumped because they felt he wasn't a big enough name for them. He's a bit conservative with the football but would be ok. Is ok enough though?
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I saw speculation linking Bielsa with Everton yesterday. I don't think how much it costs to get rid of Martinez will be that much of an issue with [b[the new money in the club[/b] and the TV cash going up, and Martinez is increasingly unpopular there.
I really wanted Moyes at first, but I'm coming round to the idea of Rodgers. He did good things at Swansea. And he has a lovely portrait of himself in his house.
What new money?
Farhad Moshiri paid however many millions for a 49% share. The money went to the consortium that owned the club, of which Kenwright was by far the largest shareholder.
That consortium still owns a controlling interest, but Moshiri is now the largest single shareholder.
From a purely financial viewpoint the transition makes no sense if the expectation is that he'll pump money into a venture where he has no control.
Isn't he expected to purchase the rest of the club at a later date? Plus he's reportedly promised a £100 million spending spree in the summer among other things. If that summer budget is true, it's not exactly the levels they've been operating at in the past and paying off a manager who's underachieving won't be much of an issue.
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Hughton was doing a decent job at Newcastle too but got dumped because they felt he wasn't a big enough name for them. He's a bit conservative with the football but would be ok. Is ok enough though?
None of the names mentioned so far are without their negative points or to be honest, any more than ok. I think for the moment, steady and ok is enough. If the manager in question had the potential to progress themselves to being more than ok in the future, that would be good too (which rules out the likes of Steve Bruce where we know more or less the level they will progress to).
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Can't that same argument be levelled at Chris Hughton? Nice bloke, does a decent, even good job wherever he has been. Got fired after a short period at each club he's been at.
* the Noses aside
I suppose it could, yes.
Although generally it isn't after a very public fall-out, as it is with Pearson.
Chris Hughton has secured promotions from the Championship with two different clubs though.
And that's the bizarre thing. He got two clubs promoted yet within a year or so he got fired and neither club was in any significant trouble. Whether it is a public falling out, a mutual parting of the ways or your bog standard firing he still was forced to leave the club.
I seem to remember there being a general feeling that he had been very hard done by when he was sacked at Newcastle. I recall a lot of their supporters not being overly pleased.
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I seem to remember there being a general feeling that he had been very hard done by when he was sacked at Newcastle. I recall a lot of their supporters not being overly pleased.
I recall that as well. Although they very quickly rallied to Pardew. Smashing Liverpool then that Arsenal game made them forget about Hughton pretty quick if I recall correctly.
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Not too many managers walk of their own accord. Far more often than not they'll get fired.
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Not too many managers walk of their own accord. Far more often than not they'll get fired.
But not too many clubs have a former manager who now says he was glad to be sacked, and had in fact asked to be relieved of his duties several times before the event.
And let's be honest, RG could well be saying the same thing before too long.
We are a special case. A basket case.
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Not too many managers walk of their own accord. Far more often than not they'll get fired.
Of course you're absolutely right, but if it's because of poor results, it's understandable.
If they're getting repeatedly getting sacked because of off the field issues or personality clashes, it's worrying.
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Houghton being 3rd in League with Brighton with their budget is arguable a better achievement that the clubs above him Boro and Burnley who both spent big.That he has turned Brighton around with hardly any money is testament to his coaching skills.
At championship level he has done well with Birmingham and Newcastle and always comes across as a decent enough guy
He got Newcastle back up winning 30 games drawing 12 and losing 4 , pretty impressive he also got Birnimgham into the play off's
Long term can he cut in the Prem league , that could be questioned but at Championship level he has performed well enough with 3 different clubs to warrant consideration
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Not too many managers walk of their own accord. Far more often than not they'll get fired.
But not too many clubs have a former manager who now says he was glad to be sacked, and had in fact asked to be relieved of his duties several times before the event.
And let's be honest, RG could well be saying the same thing before too long.
We are a special case. A basket case.
No they haven't, but both worked for a very different board structure to the one we have now. Hopefully the next man will be seen as the person the new board want to move the club forward and they will be properly supported from above to do so.
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Warnock
Can't stand the bloke myself, and he never did my wife's toes :D
As an ex-chropodist he is ideal for us. :D
He was touted in earlier threads a year ago, and the abuse those people met probably sent them away forever.
I don't care.
WARNOCK. FOR ME
We Are in the Championship, and he does "Ego Players" for breakfast..bring him on...San Fairy Ann Gaby and Jack. Bacs, Mica and Joli...etc
May not be popular,with fans - but he does the job.
Manager of the months after 6 weeks with Rotheram who were bottom...check those tables "Fans" :)
Not a Prem Manager, but a blunt and crude instrument that gets promotion, drops dillentantes and wannabes....
WARNOCK for me.... :)
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I wish I was as good a fan as you and knew as much about football as you do. Although they weren't bottom when he took over. Maybe you should check those tables better?
I don't like, or want, Warnock, but he is doing a great job at Rotherham. In the bottom 3 when he took over in Feb, now 9 points clear and on an 8 game unbeaten run, W6 D2, the most in form side in the division.
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Would Hughton want to leave New Mexico to Birmingham though with his chicken and pharmaceutical interests there?
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Would Hughton want to leave New Mexico to Birmingham though with his chicken and pharmaceutical interests there?
What the Fringing hell are you on about? Surely the Skyler is the limit.
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you know what, we're so cartoonish at the moment I'd take a management combo of Noddy & Big Ears . We've fallen so far from grace, that any of the names mentioned on this thread recently would be almost more than we could expect. Having said that, I can't reconcile myself to the image of Pearson managing Villa.
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Oh, a big thank you to Ads for the most arcane post on the thread. Top work.
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Unless the reference is to Brighton and it's substance issues and something to do with a chicken company buying the pier, it's the strangest post I have seen in a good while
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Hughton was doing a decent job at Newcastle too but got dumped because they felt he wasn't a big enough name for them. He's a bit conservative with the football but would be ok. Is ok enough though?
Ok represents an over ambitious expectation which would require degrees of improvement which are currently unrealistic. Not totally shit is an achievable target.
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Hughton was doing a decent job at Newcastle too but got dumped because they felt he wasn't a big enough name for them. He's a bit conservative with the football but would be ok. Is ok enough though?
Not totally shit is an achievable target.
Where do you think this massive investment will come from?
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Unless the reference is to Brighton and it's substance issues and something to do with a chicken company buying the pier, it's the strangest post I have seen in a good while
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHzVyXTCUAENL8_.jpg)
Can't say I see it myself.
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He would only leave Albuquerque if he could bring Jesse, Badger and Skinny.
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Would Hughton want to leave New Mexico to Birmingham though with his chicken and pharmaceutical interests there?
your bad.
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Maybe Pearson's style is along the lines of Mourinho, whereby he runs everything at breaking point. It's a good short term solution but not sustainable in the long term. That's probably the biggest complement that I can give Pearson to be honest and, I suppose, his brash style might turn the club around before we reach breaking point, at which point a new manager takes over..
sounds like a plan to me.
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Would Hughton want to leave New Mexico to Birmingham though with his chicken and pharmaceutical interests there?
your bad.
Hank on a minute, I can see a meth-od in his madness
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PR was also at Forest last night
Who?
Think he meant Pearson.
I thought he meant Paddy Riley
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Paddy was scouting the Trent. It has more fluidity than any player we currently have.
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Unless the reference is to Brighton and it's substance issues and something to do with a chicken company buying the pier, it's the strangest post I have seen in a good while
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHzVyXTCUAENL8_.jpg)
Can't say I see it myself.
Last time I saw that fella he was a bad guy on revolution. Which was also bad.
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Current betting odds from Ladbrokes, FYI.
Surely ( Pearson & Moyes, maybe Dyche, apart , imho ) there are better candidates out there , maybe, hopefully, we are looking ´outside the box ´, as M-Boro did with Karanka . Monk, Coleman et al hardly fill me with optimism, and even a modicum of optimism would be welcome in these here parts right now.....................Godzvilla!
Nigel Pearson6/4
Mick McCarthy7/2
Steve Bruce4/1
David Moyes9/2
Simon Grayson10/1
Chris Coleman16/1
Garry Monk25/1
Sean Dyche25/1
Chris Hughton25/1
Gareth Southgate25/1
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it's what I'd expect to be honest. I'd love the chosen one to be named but he isn't going to be.
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That list tells you the bookies are clueless.
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That list tells you the bookies are clueless.
They'll surely just be reacting to the bets being placed, and general speculation.
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it's what I'd expect to be honest. I'd love the chosen one to be named but he isn't going to be.
That's very flattering thanks but I'm a bit busy right now. ;D
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That list tells you the bookies are clueless.
They'll surely just be reacting to the bets being placed, and general speculation.
Miniscule market, not much punted, doesn't take huge amounts for the prices to move around. They were really volatile last time we were looking for a manager, too.
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Unless the reference is to Brighton and it's substance issues and something to do with a chicken company buying the pier, it's the strangest post I have seen in a good while
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHzVyXTCUAENL8_.jpg)
Can't say I see it myself.
Last time I saw that fella he was a bad guy on revolution. Which was also bad.
very bad...
UTV
The Doc
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That list tells you the bookies are clueless.
They'll surely just be reacting to the bets being placed, and general speculation.
Miniscule market, not much punted, doesn't take huge amounts for the prices to move around. They were really volatile last time we were looking for a manager, too.
Yep. In the week Garde was appointed, I worked out that I could have stuck £20 on me being next manager and I'd have gone straight into the top ten favourites.
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Maybe Pearson's style is along the lines of Mourinho, whereby he runs everything at breaking point. It's a good short term solution but not sustainable in the long term. That's probably the biggest complement that I can give Pearson to be honest and, I suppose, his brash style might turn the club around before we reach breaking point, at which point a new manager takes over..
Having a media heavyweight like Bevington on board to 'guide' him through his media duties may save him from himself. Pearson's career can now go one of two ways, forever avoided by the big clubs due to his media profile or he gets the support of the club and he calms down. I'm sure he knows it himself.
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Let's see how he gets on at Forest
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That list tells you the bookies are clueless.
They'll surely just be reacting to the bets being placed, and general speculation.
Miniscule market, not much punted, doesn't take huge amounts for the prices to move around. They were really volatile last time we were looking for a manager, too.
Yep. In the week Garde was appointed, I worked out that I could have stuck £20 on me being next manager and I'd have gone straight into the top ten favourites.
I had a tip on Garde so early only one bookie showed a price for him on oddschecker, stuck 20 notes on at 20/1, five minutes later I decided to go back and put more on, and he'd come in to favourite already! (Mind you, could have been others with the tip)
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I had a similar experience Paulie. The odds moved enough to get into the backing and lay market – I had it so I'd win whether he was appointed or not.
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so any puffs of white smoke appearing above the Trinity Road stand yet ?
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Of the ones in contention or even casually mentioned
The only two that would have me really struggling would be Bruce or Pulis, I know they are both in jobs and I hope they both stay where they are
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Of the ones in contention or even casually mentioned
The only two that would have me really struggling would be Bruce or Pulis, I know they are both in jobs and I hope they both stay where they are
I could live with it being Bruce. Pulis would be horrible.
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Twitter rumour that McCarthy in talks.
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Twitter rumour that McCarthy in talks.
Dear God no.
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God almighty I hope that's not true.
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Aston Villa manager? That's a Sunderland/Norwich appointment.
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Twitter rumour that McCarthy in talks.
Benni McCarthy?
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Hope it's just a twatter thing. There's a reason he's got nul points on our poll
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Melissa McCarthy?
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It'd come from some obscure journo venturing compensation is agreed. I would much prefer bruce. Even Pearson.
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If it is true why has it come from an obscure journo? Just asking like...
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And you'd have thought the King of Twitter Stan V Collymore would be clued in to all Twitter links. I assume him to be like Professor Charles Xavier, mentally logged into all Twitter posts.
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Twitter rumour that McCarthy in talks.
I take it we've asked Ipswich to speak to him? Not a chance right now. same goes with Bruce, Hughton and Luis Enrique.
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I wouldn't be totally gutted if it was McCarthy. I'd prefer other choices but he's got teams out of that division and that's what we need.
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I can't believe for a second it is McCarthy. The lack of an inside tip though leaves me nervous about every bugger.
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No,no, no. Not even in jest.
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If we employ McCarthy as manager it'll just prove to me that the new board members Bernstein and co with Brian Little advising is just another PR stunt by Lerner.
They really wouldn't be that stupid, would they??
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Who is this Patrick Steinhoffen that's breaking the McCarthy news on Twitter?
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Patrick Swayze's cousin.
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Gunnar Getscher's brother in law.
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Who is this Patrick Steinhoffen that's breaking the McCarthy news on Twitter?
It looks to me like someone taking the piss.
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Who is this Patrick Steinhoffen that's breaking the McCarthy news on Twitter?
It looks to me like someone taking the piss.
I bloody hope so.
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Twitter, eh?
I'm taking the house deeds to Ladbrokes as we speak.
Not even our lot would be that daft.
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Patrick Steinhoffer is probably Roy Keane. Sounds Irish.
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Not even our lot would be that daft.
Recent history suggests otherwise - nothing would surprise me but I think the new members of the board would surely be more experienced and sensible about an appointment.
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I wonder if the board have looked at the huge number of votes that Mccarthy has in our poll? He looks a very popular choice amongst the voters.....
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"Imagine what he could do with the support of an owner like Randy!"
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It would be idiotic. Part of the thinking of the next man has to be to build bridges to the fans. McCarthy is about as inspiring as listening to a seminar on the properties of drying paint.
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It would be idiotic. Part of the thinking of the next man has to be to build bridges to the fans. McCarthy is about as inspiring as listening to a seminar on the properties of drying paint.
Beige. Definitely beige. Would be a crap, boring appointment.
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Well he's used to working on a shoestring budget...
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What is the point of Twitter? Has to be rubbish, surely?
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Who is this Patrick Steinhoffen that's breaking the McCarthy news on Twitter?
He's a big hitter, he's got 9 followers
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It would be a bit of a daft appointment. You know, more and more I think that the most important aspect of any manager is personality. Look at how teams reflect their managers: a Guardiola team looks OCDish and control-freaky, a Klopp team is rushing and mad and explosive, a Lambert team is meek and passive, a Sherwood team is full of aimless running in no coherent direction.
What would the McCarthy personality bring to Villa? My guess: a sense of treading water, uninspired working, muddling through to mediocrity. We need a bit of inspiration and fire at this stage, and McCarthy - nice guy though he sounds - would not provide that.
Anyway, it looks like bollocks.
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Who is this Patrick Steinhoffen that's breaking the McCarthy news on Twitter?
He's a big hitter, he's got 9 followers
Patrick Steinhoffen @P_Steinhoffen 5 u5 uur geleden
1st day in the job today so please bear with me whilst I get used to things. Genuinely delighted to have joined the team at @ForestEchoNews
Yet on his first day sources tell him a compo package has been agreed with Ipswich... Surely not.
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Since McLeish we have to treat every bullshit rumour as credible. Any minute now someone will circulate that "one in the hole" gif on twitter. I wonder if Mick get royalties for that crap?
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Mick McCarthy may have got clubs promoted, but it's been a while he's been at Ipswich four years. Also he's failed pretty miserably in the top flight. We should be looking at a long term strategy that has the short term goal of promotion next year. Mick McCarthy absolutely isn't the man for that.
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Who is this Patrick Steinhoffen that's breaking the McCarthy news on Twitter?
He's a big hitter, he's got 9 followers
Oh god yeah. File under "shite".
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If we employ McCarthy as manager it'll just prove to me that the new board members Bernstein and co with Brian Little advising is just another PR stunt by Lerner.
They really wouldn't be that stupid, would they??
Whoever we get next time will have fuck all to do with Randy,
He will be the new boards man and a Randy will just rubber stamp their choice
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Since McLeish we have to treat every bullshit rumour as credible. Any minute now someone will circulate that "one in the hole" gif on twitter. I wonder if Mick get royalties for that crap?
I remember the rumour starting about McCleish and thought "they would not be that stupid" nothing would surprise me with this shower
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Since McLeish we have to treat every bullshit rumour as credible. Any minute now someone will circulate that "one in the hole" gif on twitter. I wonder if Mick get royalties for that crap?
I remember the rumour starting about McCleish and thought "they would not be that stupid" nothing would surprise me with this shower
There's also the prospect that our top choices may not want the job and we'll end up having to scrape the barrel, much like we did with McLeish.
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If we employ McCarthy as manager it'll just prove to me that the new board members Bernstein and co with Brian Little advising is just another PR stunt by Lerner.
They really wouldn't be that stupid, would they??
Whoever we get next time will have fuck all to do with Randy,
He will be the new boards man and a Randy will just rubber stamp their choice
Well it will, because like it or not he sets the budget, and that dictates the type of manager/player we can sign.
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The scary thing is you are right, after the lunacy that was the scot, anything is possible.
No sane person would dream of another failed ex Bluenose journeyman but there are two on that list along with other utter dross.
I thought that the first mention of the Scot was a piss take but, !!
We should be scared, very scared.
I think that is why 60+% are voting for Moyes
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If we employ McCarthy as manager it'll just prove to me that the new board members Bernstein and co with Brian Little advising is just another PR stunt by Lerner.
They really wouldn't be that stupid, would they??
Whoever we get next time will have fuck all to do with Randy,
He will be the new boards man and a Randy will just rubber stamp their choice
Well it will, because like it or not he sets the budget, and that dictates the type of manager/player we can sign.
True, but it doesn't make the new board a 'PR stunt'. He'd just be hobbling yet more people he's hired to make football decisions for him.
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I imagine the budget for the new manager will be comfortably the biggest in the league.
Under Lerner we don't do managers cheap.
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If we employ McCarthy as manager it'll just prove to me that the new board members Bernstein and co with Brian Little advising is just another PR stunt by Lerner.
They really wouldn't be that stupid, would they??
Whoever we get next time will have fuck all to do with Randy,
He will be the new boards man and a Randy will just rubber stamp their choice
Well it will, because like it or not he sets the budget, and that dictates the type of manager/player we can sign.
That may be partially true but the key issues are player disposal, player acquisition (the type and quality of players) and some coaching that actually makes a difference. All of which talks to the canny choice of manager and supporting actors.
The budgets are important; of course. But the items I've listed above are fundamental.
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Looking at Mick's signings for Sunderland in the top division, be prepared to enjoy sticking pencils in your eyes.
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Looking at Mick's signings for Sunderland in the top division, be prepared to enjoy sticking pencils in your eyes.
We signed Kieran Richardson. I'm used to it.
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Wasn't there supposed to be a board meeting today regarding the new manager? Wonder if we'll hear anything in the press tomorrow?
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Wasn't there supposed to be a board meeting today regarding the new manager? Wonder if we'll hear anything in the press tomorrow?
I doubt it, unless it is along the lines of "we are not in a rush to make an appointment and will wait until the season is over".
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Appointing McCarthy strikes me as the club being happy to tell the world that we have accepted being a two bit championship club.
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Appointing McCarthy strikes me as the club being happy to tell the world that we have accepted being a two bit championship club.
It wont be MM. Little will no longer be a Villa hero if he allows it
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Appointing McCarthy strikes me as the club being happy to tell the world that we have accepted being a two bit championship club.
It wont be MM. Little will no longer be a Villa hero if he allows it
Yes he will.
I can't see it being McCarthy though.
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Appointing McCarthy strikes me as the club being happy to tell the world that we have accepted being a two bit championship club.
But we haven't appointed him yet.
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Appointing McCarthy strikes me as the club being happy to tell the world that we have accepted being a two bit championship club.
But we haven't appointed him yet.
Really?
Thanks for telling me.
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It can only be David Moyes. With a budget. And autonomy over transfers. Or they will have over thought it. Football is a simple game.
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My money is still on Southgate.
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Won't be Mad Mick you fruit cakes. Absolutely not a prayer
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McCarthy would be such an utterly stupid, brainless appointment.
So that's clearly who they'll go for.
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My money is still on Southgate.
He's bloody hopeless.
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Forest Echo news is a spoof/parody on twitter. The Mad Mick thing stems from that. It's complete bollocks
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It can only be David Moyes. With a budget. And autonomy over transfers. Or they will have over thought it. Football is a simple game.
I dont want a manager to have autonomy. Thats what started the downward spiral.
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Put your Mortgage on Nigel Pearson
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Telegraph reckon it's Pearson.
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In the Guardian too: http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/apr/13/nigel-pearson-aston-villa-manager-favourite-chris-powell?CMP=share_btn_tw
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I said two weeks ago this was a good move and for the majority of you to embrace it. Moyes was a pipe dream and Pearson is a great alternative
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Telegraph reckon it's Pearson.
As are the Daily Heil and the Guardian, all running the same story about Chris Powell being Pearson's number 2.
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I said two weeks ago this was a good move and for the majority of you to embrace it. Moyes was a pipe dream and Pearson is a great alternative
Oh okay then. Thanks for the orders.
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He'd better make us fucking good.
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Nigel's whole future is as good as sealed.
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Nigel's whole future is as good as sealed.
Does that mean he is taking a job at (the newly reformed) British Steel?
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I wouldn't be too unhappy with that.
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Oh for fuck's sake.
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Nigel's whole future is as good as sealed.
Does that mean he is taking a job at (the newly reformed) British Steel?
Could be, as you know, despite what you may read on here, Nigel is not outspoken but he likes to speak.
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I said two weeks ago this was a good move and for the majority of you to embrace it. Moyes was a pipe dream and Pearson is a great alternative
I wouldn't be too unhappy with that.
Oh for fuck's sake.
I think this appointment would be particularly divisive among the fans.
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I said two weeks ago this was a good move and for the majority of you to embrace it. Moyes was a pipe dream and Pearson is a great alternative
I wouldn't be too unhappy with that.
Oh for fuck's sake.
I think this appointment would be particularly divisive among the fans.
Apart from Moyes, most other choices would have been as well to be honest.
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I said two weeks ago this was a good move and for the majority of you to embrace it. Moyes was a pipe dream and Pearson is a great alternative
I wouldn't be too unhappy with that.
Oh for fuck's sake.
I think this appointment would be particularly divisive among the fans.
Any appointment will be until we start playing games such was the tiny pool we chose to drink from.
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If, if it happens. Yet another appointment to split the fan base.
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Wanted Moyes but Pearson will have my full support. His bullish attitude should shake those useless fuckers up in the dressing room. Could certainly see Gabby being the first one to be taken to task by him. Need someone the players are scared of but can also put an arm round them when needed. McLeish, Lambert and Garde all soft as shit compared to Pearson. Might be just what we need. It's basically the majority of his team currently top of the league.
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I said two weeks ago this was a good move and for the majority of you to embrace it. Moyes was a pipe dream and Pearson is a great alternative
I wouldn't be too unhappy with that.
Oh for fuck's sake.
I think this appointment would be particularly divisive among the fans.
Apart from Moyes, most other choices would have been as well to be honest.
I'm not so sure. I think the difference between Pearson and Bruce or McCarthy, or instance, is that Pearson has actual supporters on here. So in a way it's a more positive reason to be quite sharply divided. That said, put me in the sceptical camp.
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I saw Chris Powell on TV (Sky I think) the other day discussing the plight of Villa. When ribbed by the other pundit that he should get the job he looked very sheepish. I naturally assumed that it was because he thought never in a million years...
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If, if it happens. Yet another appointment to split the fan base.
Yeah, for a week. If our fans can love MON they can love anybody.
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This is another big gamble by the club if it's true....Oh poopoo.... Hopefully it is conjecture. We need a safe pair of hands, why gamble this early. We are relegated, wait and see who becomes available during the early summer....
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I said two weeks ago this was a good move and for the majority of you to embrace it. Moyes was a pipe dream and Pearson is a great alternative
I wouldn't be too unhappy with that.
Oh for fuck's sake.
I think this appointment would be particularly divisive among the fans.
Apart from Moyes, most other choices would have been as well to be honest.
I'm not so sure. I think the difference between Pearson and Bruce or McCarthy, or instance, is that Pearson has actual supporters on here. So in a way it's a more positive reason to be quite sharply divided. That said, put me in the septic tank.
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If, if it happens. Yet another appointment to split the fan base.
Yeah, for a week. If our fans can love MON they can love anybody.
Very true. If he gets it, good luck to him. I too will support him. I hope he is backed in the summer.
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This is another big gamble by the club if it's true....Oh poopoo.... Hopefully it is conjecture. We need a safe pair of hands, why gamble this early. We are relegated, wait and see who becomes available during the early summer....
We can't afford to wait that long
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I think I have been softened into accepting Pearson through the sheer fear of McCarthy or Southgate. If Moyes is a no go, I at least want someone who is going to try and get us playing, and Leicester away last season was a complete mauling. I can understand the board going for him, but he is one that will have to win the fanbase over on the pitch rather than get unswerving support from the off. I hope if it is him, he is here for the last 2-3 games so he can start having a look.
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If, if it happens. Yet another appointment to split the fan base.
Yeah, for a week. If our fans can love MON they can love anybody.
Very true. If he gets it, good luck to him. I too will support him. I hope he is sacked in the summer.
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I said two weeks ago this was a good move and for the majority of you to embrace it. Moyes was a pipe dream and Pearson is a great alternative
I wouldn't be too unhappy with that.
Oh for fuck's sake.
I think this appointment would be particularly divisive among the fans.
Apart from Moyes, most other choices would have been as well to be honest.
I'm not so sure. I think the difference between Pearson and Bruce or McCarthy, or instance, is that Pearson has actual supporters on here. So in a way it's a more positive reason to be quite sharply divided. That said, put me in the septic tank.
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I'm surprised you've warmed so much to Pearson, RCF. Don't you think he's a bit of a backwards, beef-and-potatoes manager in the style of a MON?
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I think Pearson will do a good job. Will his temperament mean that he'll likely be gone within 2 years? Maybe, but I think he'll do well, particularly in the first 18 months. He'll weed out the wasters and get a team that wants to play for him and give 100%. I don't particularly like the guy but he won't lack intensity or passion and he's got a good track record. I'd prefer Moyes but he's probably unlikely.
He's a gamble but no more than the other names.
Ideally he'll put us on an upward curve and then perhaps when he inevitably gets fired for something controversial we can make an appointment that may have us step forward a level.
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When SGT came in first time around I do remember people being unsure because he had managed tiny Watford despite the extraordinary job he did. He also came in with a really bullish attitude really stood up the players, called the place a shambles.
Which would be similar to the approach Pearson would adopt isn't it? This place needs it again. Of course it could go spectacularly wrong!
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I said two weeks ago this was a good move and for the majority of you to embrace it. Moyes was a pipe dream and Pearson is a great alternative
I wouldn't be too unhappy with that.
Oh for fuck's sake.
I think this appointment would be particularly divisive among the fans.
Apart from Moyes, most other choices would have been as well to be honest.
I'm not so sure. I think the difference between Pearson and Bruce or McCarthy, or instance, is that Pearson has actual supporters on here. So in a way it's a more positive reason to be quite sharply divided. That said, put me in the septic tank.
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I'm surprised you've warmed so much to Pearson, RCF. Don't you think he's a bit of a backwards, beef-and-potatoes manager in the style of a MON?
Trouble is we're linked with nothing but. O Neill was very oudated by the time he got to us. I think Pearson is hitting his peak and could at least potentially build a winning team.
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When SGT came in first time around I do remember people being unsure because he had managed tiny Watford despite the extraordinary job he did. He also came in with a really bullish attitude really stood up the players, called the place a shambles.
Which would be similar to the approach Pearson would adopt isn't it? This place needs it again. Of course it could go spectacularly wrong!
Wasn't that the idea with Roy keane?
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Yes. Oh God knows what the answer is.
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When SGT came in first time around I do remember people being unsure because he had managed tiny Watford despite the extraordinary job he did. He also came in with a really bullish attitude really stood up the players, called the place a shambles.
Which would be similar to the approach Pearson would adopt isn't it? This place needs it again. Of course it could go spectacularly wrong!
Wasn't that the idea with Roy keane?
Pearson is pretty sane compared to Roy.
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Monty, it might have been his backroom team, but the football Leicester played was never an issue I had with Pearson. Anyone that tries to get players like Mahrez into their side and firing is doing something right, it is much more his persona and acting like a complete cocksocket I take issue with.
If it is him, then I do like Chris Powell, so that is a plus I guess. Getting super Kev off Leicester to teach our strikers movement and how to score would be a good move too. Oh and replacing Phil Brown as keeper coach, the bloke has made our keepers look like circus acts.
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Yes we can Kiddy lion. What has this guy done to deserve to manage our great club? What has our last three managers done to manage Aston Villa? Pearson is no better than any of those guys in my opinion. He's not a genius, Leicester are having an amazing season on back of the inconsistencies of all the other top teams. Plus they are well managed by a good manager with experience. We are in the shit because we think the likes of these guys like Pearson are able for this, able to manage a big club with expectations . One half good season does not make Pearson a good manager. We need someone to take us up and then be a good Premiership manager to keep us there.
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I'm surprised you've warmed so much to Pearson, RCF. Don't you think he's a bit of a backwards, beef-and-potatoes manager in the style of a MON?
I've spent far too much time really reading up on potential managers, their signings, budget, results, listening to what fans had to say about them - fuck, as I said, far too much time but the conclusion I drew was that Pearson, as mad as he can be, is a bloody winner. All those hoping he's punch our wasters are in for a disappointment, he does the opposite, he gets players working bloody hard for him. He's not like Moyes or even Hughton, that can be, let's say, defensive. Pearson's teams have a go at the opposition every week, so expect a few 3-2 victories along the way rather than a 1-0 win.
He's got a fantastic chance to put the bullshit of his outbursts and strangling 'joke' behind him. He'll soon know that that shit doesn't happen at Aston Villa and he'll have Bevington on him to make sure he it doesn't. He wants to be respected and I'm sure he sees the Villa as just the place to earn it. I honestly think the fans will love him next season and he'll love the love. He's a bit needy in that department.
Overall, I think the football will be exciting, we'll start making Villa Park a place we love to go to and teams fear to play. Most importantly, and it will take everything we've got but I do see him as the obvious choice to get us promoted. After that, we can think again but right now he seems the only real choice if we're serious about getting back.
Meat and potatoes? Seasoned well with a few herbs thrown in to bring out the flavour, it's a great dish. Boiled to shit a la Moyes etc, it's just food to keep you alive.
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Half a good season you say? This was Pearson in the Championship, where we will be, with Leicester:
Along the way, they broke several club records including most points in a single season (102), most league wins in a single season (31), most league home wins in a single season (17), the most consecutive league wins (9), the most consecutive away league wins (5) and the longest unbeaten run away from home in the league (13) and the most consecutive league games scored in (31) (the latter two records continued on to the following season).
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Pearson with Chris Powell as his number 2 is a snippet I have heard off someone whom has been correct with a few previous rumours.
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Pearson with Chris Powell as his number 2 is a snippet I have heard off someone whom has been correct with a few previous rumours.
A Daily mail reader? ;)
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Nigel Pearson. Bloody hell.
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Typical Rudy...First time in ages I have had a tiny snippet and its everywhere!As an aside, I am not sold in the making plans for Nigel approach,but you have made a rounded,fair appraisal above that has turned my opinion more positively.
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Half a good season you say? This was Pearson in the Championship, where we will be, with Leicester:
Along the way, they broke several club records including most points in a single season (102), most league wins in a single season (31), most league home wins in a single season (17), the most consecutive league wins (9), the most consecutive away league wins (5) and the longest unbeaten run away from home in the league (13) and the most consecutive league games scored in (31) (the latter two records continued on to the following season).
1. He'd be without his 2 training gurus ( still with ooooh, top of the PL Leicester, clue there)
2. He'd have to work with some incredibly demoralised players, going by current performance
3. He'd still be Nigel Pearson
I'm all for getting expertise, just not convinced he's the target, here.
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Yes we can Kiddy lion. What has this guy done to deserve to manage our great club? What has our last three managers done to manage Aston Villa? Pearson is no better than any of those guys in my opinion. He's not a genius, Leicester are having an amazing season on back of the inconsistencies of all the other top teams. Plus they are well managed by a good manager with experience. We are in the shit because we think the likes of these guys like Pearson are able for this, able to manage a big club with expectations . One half good season does not make Pearson a good manager. We need someone to take us up and then be a good Premiership manager to keep us there.
I never said I wanted Pearson,whoever it is some will be happy & some won't.
Whoever it is we need in place asap we can't afford to hang about till mid June incase someone becomes available,we need some to get in there trying to offload all our deadwood & basically rebuild a squad
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I don't actually agree with the need to get someone in ASAP.
The right man is the right man, and he will still be the right man in June.
Mick McCarthy taking the job on April 20, or David Moyes coming in at the end of the season? Tough one.
The sooner they start, the quicker they'll get a handle on exactly what needs to be done, obv. But Moyes, Pearson or the other names mentioned haven't been on a desert island. Chances are they'll be watching us already. Most people with even a passing interest in football can see we are a right mess at the moment.
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I've flipped flopped all over the place on Pearson. I've gone from ok on it, to not wanting it at all, to reading more about him vs the obvious very public stuff to think he might be exactly what we need at the moment. I'll be honest I really have no idea. If it is Pearson he has done some very good things especially outside of the PL and I believe he'll make us vey competitive again quickly next season. I agree with Rudy that the theory that goes around lamping his players is a complete myth, I do have a lot of sympathy with him with the abusive fan even if I don't agree with choice of reply. There are obviously some other less complimentary things to be said for him, but there are positives also. Leicester fans have a lot of time for him as do the players.
Ultimately we now have a football board with some very experienced individuals including a very respected club legend involved in the process. If they come to the conclusion Pearson is the right man we have to trust the decision. Hopefully that they have asked all of the right questions and vetted him completely, along with other candidates. For me he isn't my choice over Moyes, but he's better than the others being realistically suggested.
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Neil Warnock
STOP READING ;D
I don't like the guy, from his performances on TV.
Don't like his smugness nor his half-hidden arrogance.
I never liked Saunders either. But what RS he did for us, Warnock wll do in spades.
He has taken Rotheram from disaster of relegation in the Championship to near safety since February.
Got Manager of the Month for it, as well. 8)
This guy knows his onions in our future league.
He don't tolerate ego-centric players ~ so goodbye to a fair few. ;D
If he is allowed to buy, they will be work-horses and not dillentantes, but they will be honest 100% professionals. That is all he buys.
His record is superb, he is only an end-of-term-contract...like bluenose Eric...at Rotheram.
So we need to get him, before Rotheram tie him up.
Not an ST selling point, ;D, and not a fave of the un-informed ;D
But ideal for us next season.
imo
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You want Warnock for The Blues, right? ;D
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You want Warnock for The Blues, right? ;D
JEEZ...how petty.
The scum have a manager in place on an extended contract, which will cost Randy via Hollis lots of dosh. See them paying it ?
After McCleish and Lambert ?
Try and keep up fella.
I'm posting about a really serious choice for us...
not a "glamour" option like Moyes or Martinez...but a serious,
proven
manager.
WE WANT UP ?
WARNOCK will give it us... with chiropody for the WAGS thrown in.
;D
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If Pearson is the selected candidate he will be unable to bring Walsh and Shakespeare in .Therefore he intends to bring Chris Powell with him who has recent failures on his CV.Should fit in well at Villa Park then!
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If Pearson is the selected candidate he will be unable to bring Walsh and Shakespeare in .Therefore he intends to bring Chris Powell with him who has recent failures on his CV.Should fit in well at Villa Park then!
By definition unless we are taking a manager who has nothing but success on his CV then any manager we appoint will have varying degrees of failure. If we appointed Moyes or Mourinho, both have been dismissed from their last two positions. Should we not hire them? The same goes for assistants and coaches. It's really hard to find and employ people who have only been successful.
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Regardless of who it is we need someone who has has success experience in ripping a squad to bits and build again pretty much from scratch. You cannot deny that the vast majority of what we have needs moving in one way or another.
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If the only thing going for Pearson is that he's a bully who will frighten the players, its worth considering the fact that there may be some of them who won't be frightened of him. Why not just hire Tyson Fury as number two to a proper manager if you think intimidation and physical violence is such a great managerial technique.
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this is going to end in tears all round.
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Well if he is appointed I'll be behind him and met resting going for Powell who wended his stripes, and reputation, as a number 2.
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If the only thing going for Pearson is that he's a bully who will frighten the players, its worth considering the fact that there may be some of them who won't be frightened of him. Why not just hire Tyson Fury as number two to a proper manager if you think intimidation and physical violence is such a great managerial technique.
His seems to have many faults, and very temperamental but I don't think we're looking at him just because of his hard man image. He's done very well as a coach too when you look back at his career. His teams have played well and looking at his Leicester days they scored goals and defended well.
I'm sure the board are looking at his overall abilities as well as his personality.
Saying all that I have no idea if I would want him here or not. His last season at Leicester has left me a poor memory of him.
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Whoever we appoint some will like some wont
But I can guarantee none will be a saint, and therefore will have all made mistakes in there life as we all have!
Reading some of the replies it seems as though we want someone who is going to tell our players what they think of them, but then the new guy can't be too tough on them??
Whoever it is, the way we go through managers if he does not get us into at least play offs at the end of next season he will be gone
And who knows if Lerner sells the club, a new owner will want his own man in
I am just hoping it is not Warnock (who told 1 of his players to break an opponents leg) or Bruce ( who attacked lee Hendrie just cause he shagged his daughter), hughton or mad mick
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I guarantee, this time next year, there won't be any Pearson detractors
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Or some may say what they, including me, are saying now. He may well be a decent coach but he's a twat.
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If he gets us back up without actually murdering someone then I'd be ok with that.
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I don't actually agree with the need to get someone in ASAP.
The right man is the right man, and he will still be the right man in June.
Mick McCarthy taking the job on April 20, or David Moyes coming in at the end of the season? Tough one.
The sooner they start, the quicker they'll get a handle on exactly what needs to be done, obv. But Moyes, Pearson or the other names mentioned haven't been on a desert island. Chances are they'll be watching us already. Most people with even a passing interest in football can see we are a right mess at the moment.
Yes I agree think i worded it wrong,I can't see anyone with any credibility touching it until the season has finished.
Like you said if it's DM or NP if they had any interest they would be looking on from afar already
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Vinnie Jones is going to play Nigel Pearson on the Vardy film. apparently
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I guarantee, this time next year, there won't be any Pearson detractors
I hope you're right.
For me the play offs is a par score for next season (not aiming too high), however Pearson will also need to improve as a human being for me to actually like him.
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Pearson is a twat and I don't want him.
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Pearson is a twat and I don't want him.
Sitting on the fence there Chelts
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Pearson is a twat and I don't want him.
Sitting on the fence there Chelts
I had to budge over a bit so as he could sit next to me!
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You don't have to like him
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no, but I can't respect him either.
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You don't have to like him
No, but if he acts like he did at Leicester whilst managing us he will tarnish our reputation. I do care about that.
We'll almost certainly never be the best team in my lifetime so the integrity of the club is vitally important to me.
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All I hope is that the board acts decisively on the overwhelming problem of the anger of the supporters. Foolishly to the point of negligence an attitude has become established that the fans are fickle and easily manipulated. I think a strategy of product marketing has been used in the mistaken belief that free flags, scarves, balloons, text messages, e mails, junk mail, deafening match day music and bellowed instructions to get behind the boys in claret and blue are an alternative to the simple fan pleasure of watching entertaining football.
Because I am bored by the predictable rubbish served up by the club and the players at Villa Park I want to see a new manager who is not boring. For all his well documented faults I could accept Pearson if only because Villa Park would be a livelier, more vibrant, less boring place.
I dread the combined boardroom doing a nanny knows best job on the suffering fans and coming up with a Southgate type safe pair of hands.
I long to go back to the days when we walked to the ground thrilled by the prospect of watching a Villa game, even a losing one if we had something to cheer about.
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Our reputation is shite at the moment. I care about results and would back nearly anybody who can deliver them.
I have been swayed by some of the things I've read from Leicester fans and I think if he ended up at Newcastle then I'd be concerned they'd finish above us. Automatic promotion has to be the only expectation and beyond Moyes, I think he'd deliver it.
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You don't have to like him
No, but if he acts like he did at Leicester whilst managing us he will tarnish our reputation. I do care about that.
We'll almost certainly never be the best team in my lifetime so the integrity of the club is vitally important to me.
There is a chance that after a break from the game, he just might have had time to reflect learnt a few lessons. Of course there is the chance that he might not have. I am not a fan of him, but can't say I would be massively disappointed if he got the job.
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I guarantee, this time next year, there won't be any Pearson detractors
And what leads you to that conclusion?
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Our reputation is shite at the moment. I care about results and would back nearly anybody who can deliver them.
I have been swayed by some of the things I've read from Leicester fans and I think if he ended up at Newcastle then I'd be concerned they'd finish above us. Automatic promotion has to be the only expectation and beyond Moyes, I think he'd deliver it.
Not for the first time, I agree entirely with Ads.
I initially wanted Moyes and only Moyes, but I've gradually come round to thinking that Pearson might actually be better for us.
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Integrity? There's not much of that about the place at the moment. We need to start showing some desire to compete before any integrity is restored. If we have to get nasty to do that, so be it. I really don't buy into this decent, respectable club rubbish. We're losers, and this game is all about winning. We've been too nice and too shit for too long.
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You don't have to like him
No, but if he acts like he did at Leicester whilst managing us he will tarnish our reputation. I do care about that.
We'll almost certainly never be the best team in my lifetime so the integrity of the club is vitally important to me.
I too desire to be proud of our club. Villa is part of who I am. I value integrity, decency, honesty and truth. Hard work, desire and wisdom matter too.
We had better ask Remi Garde back ...
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Integrity? There's not much of that about the place at the moment. We need to start showing some desire to compete before any integrity is restored. If we have to get nasty to do that, so be it. I really don't buy into this decent, respectable club rubbish. We're losers, and this game is all about winning. We've been too nice and too shit for too long.
It's not all about winning for me, Jimbo. But we do need a revolution away from the foolishness, selfishness and drift of our current dreadful situation.
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You don't have to like him
No, but if he acts like he did at Leicester whilst managing us he will tarnish our reputation. I do care about that.
We'll almost certainly never be the best team in my lifetime so the integrity of the club is vitally important to me.
There's a flaw in this thinking though, surely, in that with hindsight it is difficult to say that Leicester's reputation has been tarnished as a result of him being there.
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There are enough c**t's sucking money out of the Villa without adding to them. I'm very, very disappointed if this is true.
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We are lower than a snakes belly at the moment reputation wise. There is a story every day whether that's Gabby, Richards, Lescott, 4 managers in 12 months, Tom Fox,
Club crest, Randy Lerner, protests, getting stuffed every week, poor recruitment etc We are a subject on Monday Night Football club on 5 live every week, we've got Adrian Durham et al sticking the boot in, we've got Paddy Power accounts on Twitter taking the piss at every opportunity. Pearson coming in isn't going to make that reputation any worse than it is already
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We are lower than a snakes belly at the moment reputation wise. There is a story every day whether that's Gabby, Richards, Lescott, 4 managers in 12 months, Tom Fox,
Club crest, Randy Lerner, protests, getting stuffed every week, poor recruitment etc We are a subject on Monday Night Football club on 5 live every week, we've got Adrian Durham et al sticking the boot in, we've got Paddy Power accounts on Twitter taking the piss at every opportunity. Pearson coming in isn't going to make that reputation any worse than it is already
And my living room isn't going to be any less messy if I tip a bucket of manure on the carpet, but that's no reason to do it.
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Which is a fair comment. Is he any more of a bully than Fergie or even Mourinho.... maybe not but he is also not great enough a manager to accept the shit that comes with him.
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49% win rate in his two spells at Leicester City, a chance to shake up the utter morons we have poisoning the club, and a rugged no nonsense "I'll drag this club kicking and screaming back to where it belongs" are all attributes good enough for me
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Integrity? There's not much of that about the place at the moment. We need to start showing some desire to compete before any integrity is restored. If we have to get nasty to do that, so be it. I really don't buy into this decent, respectable club rubbish. We're losers, and this game is all about winning. We've been too nice and too shit for too long.
Spot on! Pearson for me,I wouldn't want to be in the after match dressing room if I hadn't given 100%.
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Integrity? There's not much of that about the place at the moment. We need to start showing some desire to compete before any integrity is restored. If we have to get nasty to do that, so be it. I really don't buy into this decent, respectable club rubbish. We're losers, and this game is all about winning. We've been too nice and too shit for too long.
It's not all about winning for me, Jimbo. But we do need a revolution away from the foolishness, selfishness and drift of our current dreadful situation.
I can understand that, but the game certainly isn't all about losing. If it were, we'd be the undisputed champions of the universe. At some point we're going to have to elevate the value of winning, even if it means we get a little bit nasty.
One thing I've said about all the ridicule and vitriol poured upon this club, is that I hope it engenders a kind of siege mentality. Us against the world. Because we need to find something the whole club can rally against. Anger is an energy, to quote PiL.
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
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I don't really want Pearson and that isn't a "delusions of grandeur" Villa fan opinion. I just don't think he is the right man for the job, especially as his trusted back room staff wont be joining him. Didn't we learn that lesson with Garde?
Moyes is obviously the outstanding candidate but, the more I think of it, I would really like Simon Grayson. Any football reasons for wanting Rowett, Pearson, Bruce etc must surely apply to Grayson. Look at the league table, they are 3 points behind small heath who, up until a few weeks ago, were chasing the play offs.
As someone said earlier, any appointment that is isn't Moyes would split the fans.
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One thing about that Pat Murphy interview with Pearson. Murphy goaded and goaded, and Pearson tried not to rise against it despite his obvious anger. Murphy could have left it there, point made, but once he realised he was on safe ground, he continued the goading. If he'd tried that against Ferguson at Old Trafford he'd be out on his ear.
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Garde would have been sacked regardless of any coaches bought in. We paid through the teeth toget Paul Lamberts coaches and look how that turned out. I get the nervousness around not having Shakespeare and Walsh but they haven't actually signed new contracts yet. I know it's probably crazy to even consider leaving the premier league champions and champions league football for our circus but you never know....
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Spot on Jimbo, I thought the press conference was a farce and as you say, Murphy wouldn't have gone near an Alladyce or Fergie. Pearson is a winner, I want winners at this football club, I want some passion on the touchline and I want cups smashed in the dressing room if you have dared to show anything other than 100% for that badge.
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All I hope is that the board acts decisively on the overwhelming problem of the anger of the supporters. Foolishly to the point of negligence an attitude has become established that the fans are fickle and easily manipulated. I think a strategy of product marketing has been used in the mistaken belief that free flags, scarves, balloons, text messages, e mails, junk mail, deafening match day music and bellowed instructions to get behind the boys in claret and blue are an alternative to the simple fan pleasure of watching entertaining football.
Because I am bored by the predictable rubbish served up by the club and the players at Villa Park I want to see a new manager who is not boring. For all his well documented faults I could accept Pearson if only because Villa Park would be a livelier, more vibrant, less boring place.
I dread the combined boardroom doing a nanny knows best job on the suffering fans and coming up with a Southgate type safe pair of hands.
I long to go back to the days when we walked to the ground thrilled by the prospect of watching a Villa game, even a losing one if we had something to cheer about.
Your words of wisdom fit my thinking too brian.
I don't want the predicable safe appointment - and shoot me down in flames - that Moyes represents imho...I think his better days are over and even in his short time at Yanited he played things far too safe!
I'm not necessarily advocating Pearson - Dyche would be my choice - I just want someone with a bit of tactical nous who doesn't give a fu*k about how good other teams/players/managers are because we're gonna have a bloody good go at 'em and not surrender after conceding one goal which we've handed them on a sodding plate anyway!
If Pearson can do that for us fine, if not, then anyone with a brain who knows how to set teams up to compete in a game of football!
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I guarantee, this time next year, there won't be any Pearson detractors
Reading posts on here it appears there aren't too many either. Quite a lot either don't like him... Nutter, psycho, bully, thug etc. No one hasn't said he won't be an improvement on our last 3 or 4 managers. So, assuming he's our man and starts well all the other stuff will be washed over.
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Maybe we should update the poll to remove Moyes as that would be interesting?
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The lunatic is taking over the asylum.
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
I just want a good manager. Pearson has the record of a mediocre Championship manager with one standout season.
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If it is going to be him then I will eventually get used to it, but right now there are a lot of doubts that will only be alleviated once he’s onboard.
My concern though would be why we seem to swing from one extreme to the other in order to fix problems that crop up at the club. We behave like that arcade game where you hit moles with a hammer. Problem with discipline, bash that mole with a Pearson hammer and oops another mole appears in the form of poor quality football or bad media relations.
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
It's not just Pat Murphy though, is it? Pearson offends lots of people. He's also not the only manager out there who has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs, although he may be the only one who does it less often than he gets himself fired for being a liability. I really don't understand this clamour for a bully; Keane, Karsa and Culverhouse proved demonstrably that it doesn't work with these players - the latter pair of idiots even got fired for their behaviour. How is Pearson legally going to be more extreme than they were, then? Would it even work? I'd have thought the very last thing we need in our basket case of a dressing room is a volatile loon throwing his weight around.
I think we need someone with a calm head (which Pearson doesn't appear to possess) who copes well under pressure (which Pearson apparently can't) and will be here to see through a long term plan (which Pearson has never done). It's not just an either/or between a Southgate and a Pearson, there is a lot of middle ground there. As others have said, a bit of charisma would be welcome. That's charisma, not aggression. Pearson seems to bring almost guaranteed disgrace and embarrassment sooner or later; haven't we had enough of that this season?
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Integrity? There's not much of that about the place at the moment. We need to start showing some desire to compete before any integrity is restored. If we have to get nasty to do that, so be it. I really don't buy into this decent, respectable club rubbish. We're losers, and this game is all about winning. We've been too nice and too shit for too long.
Spot on! Pearson for me,I wouldn't want to be in the after match dressing room if I hadn't given 100%.
Agree. I think we could do with a manager who is certainly not a nice guy. Pearson's contribution to Leicester's spectacular ascent should not be underestimated. In addition, we have had (at least) reasonably nice guys in charge for a few seasons now and many of the players have taken the piss. I'd be delighted if Pearson took over, though I'm sure his tenure would not be without some acrimony and controversy. We might win a few games, though. Which would be nice.
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Pearson is a winner, I want winners at this football club,
Is he though? What has he won?
He's spent most of his managerial career bobbling about the Championship playoffs - how does that make him a winner? He won 11 games last season with the side who currently top the table - winner?
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Pearson is a winner, I want winners at this football club,
Is he though? What has he won?
He's spent most of his managerial career bobbling about the Championship playoffs - how does that make him a winner? He won 11 games last season with the side who currently top the table - winner?
oh to win 11 games !!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/sport/video-1179832/BBCs-Pat-Murphy-rips-Nigel-Pearson-saying-bully.html
I am not sure about him but I am coming around
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I don't know the exact stats but my remedial maths calculates he's managed about 300 games at non premier league level and he's won over half of them, approx win percentage of 40 odd % and a proven (this is unequivocal) of getting teams promoted. Surely this is our pre-requisite? Fully understand why people don't want him, I do get it. But tell me the viable alternatives without including a guy who genuinely doesn't want the job please. David Moyes does not want it - forget him.
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
It's not just Pat Murphy though, is it? Pearson offends lots of people. He's also not the only manager out there who has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs, although he may be the only one who does it less often than he gets himself fired for being a liability. I really don't understand this clamour for a bully; Keane, Karsa and Culverhouse proved demonstrably that it doesn't work with these players - the latter pair of idiots even got fired for their behaviour. How is Pearson legally going to be more extreme than they were, then? Would it even work? I'd have thought the very last thing we need in our basket case of a dressing room is a volatile loon throwing his weight around.
I think we need someone with a calm head (which Pearson doesn't appear to possess) who copes well under pressure (which Pearson apparently can't) and will be here to see through a long term plan (which Pearson has never done). It's not just an either/or between a Southgate and a Pearson, there is a lot of middle ground there. As others have said, a bit of charisma would be welcome. That's charisma, not aggression. Pearson seems to bring almost guaranteed disgrace and embarrassment sooner or later; haven't we had enough of that this season?
they didn't get fired for bullying
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I don't know the exact stats but my remedial maths calculates he's managed about 300 games at non premier league level and he's won over half of them, approx win percentage of 40 odd % and a proven (this is unequivocal) of getting teams promoted. Surely this is our pre-requisite? Fully understand why people don't want him, I do get it. But tell me the viable alternatives without including a guy who genuinely doesn't want the job please. David Moyes does not want it - forget him.
How do you know that Moyes doesn't want it, as opposed to Moyes wants to wait until the end of the season to see what else comes up?
Viable altenatives - Chris Hughton, Simon Grayson, Aitor Karanka.
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I don't know the exact stats but my remedial maths calculates he's managed about 300 games at non premier league level and he's won over half of them, approx win percentage of 40 odd % and a proven (this is unequivocal) of getting teams promoted. Surely this is our pre-requisite? Fully understand why people don't want him, I do get it. But tell me the viable alternatives without including a guy who genuinely doesn't want the job please. David Moyes does not want it - forget him.
How do you know that Moyes doesn't want it, as opposed to Moyes wants to wait until the end of the season to see what else comes up?
Viable altenatives - Chris Hughton, Simon Grayson, Aitor Karanka.
As alternative to Moyes, these guys are preferable to me than Pearson - I think Hughton is a great outside bet.
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I still have a lot of respect for Moyes and think anyone who followed Fergie at Man United was doomed to fail. I think that's probably what Ferguson, with his stratospheric arrogance, wanted. But Moyes had a shocking record in Spain. The whole club needs an enormous boot up the arse and Pearson could be the man to do it. But of course I could be completely wrong and end up wanting him out too.
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How do you know that Moyes doesn't want it, as opposed to Moyes wants to wait until the end of the season to see what else comes up?
Viable altenatives - Chris Hughton, Simon Grayson, Aitor Karanka.
As alternative to Moyes, these guys are preferable to me than Pearson - I think Hughton is a great outside bet.
Hughton a good, honourable guy in my view. Not sure that's what we need just now.
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I think I'm in the minority here, but appointing Pearson would be the final straw for me. It would signify giving up. Now we're just like the rest of them. Football Club 2000: we need to win and we don't care how we do it.
I fully understand why people are jumping to his defence, or just shrugging shoulders as it can't be any worse on the pitch. We've been battered by disappointment after disappoitment. We're vulnerable and we want change. But I can't shake the feeling that it wouldn't just be a bad appointment, it would be a wrong appointment.
How many clubs have needed a manager in the time Pearson last got sacked? Swansea, Newcastle, Sunderland…there are probably more. None of these clubs, all desperate at the time, have gone anywhere near Pearson. Are we so much more desperate that we will?
He may also be benefiting from the Libor Kozak/Jores Okore phenomenon of getting better with each day he's not in football. I don't remember any clamour for him when we fired Sherwood. Maybe people were still thinking back to Alan Hutton controlling the ball in a mere fourteen touches and smashing in the winner against Pearson's Leicester. Or Leandro 'Pele' Bacuna waltzing through Pearson's defence and side footing gently for another winner against his team of gladiators later that season.
I've always thought we were the good guys. In the constant battle between good and evil, this would be an almighty coup for Team Evil.
(Just to clarify, I don't like him, and don't care how much hyperbole I use to make this point)
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I would either go for Eddie Howe or Mark Warburton
we are massively bigger than Bournemouth so I think Howe could be tempted. I think he is a more longer term solution than Pearson, or most of the others mentioned
Warburton - would he leave Rangers? They are massive but it is Scotland, not sure
the gamble is that they are both relatively inexperienced and we have some strong questionable characters in the dressing room, would they be able to handle them? Garde clearly couldn't and that caused his demise
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
I just want a good manager. Pearson has the record of a mediocre Championship manager with one standout season.
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Someone posted on here that he had a 49% win record at Leicester over the whole time he was there
that's pretty impressive if that's the case
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What has Grayson and Hughton done in football that Pearson hasn't? How many clubs Simon Grayson got promoted? How did Chris Hughton not get blues promoted when he probably had the best squad in the league? How many of the Sunderlands, Newcastle's etc have gone for Grayson or Hughton?
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What has Grayson and Hughton done in football that Pearson hasn't? How many clubs Simon Grayson got promoted? How did Chris Hughton not get blues promoted when he probably had the best squad in the league? How many of the Sunderlands, Newcastle's etc have gone for Grayson or Hughton?
Newcastle did...
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
I just want a good manager. Pearson has the record of a mediocre Championship manager with one standout season.
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Someone posted on here that he had a 49% win record at Leicester over the whole time he was there
that's pretty impressive if that's the case
Paul Lambert had a 49% win record at Norwich. Didn't help him much here.
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What has Grayson and Hughton done in football that Pearson hasn't?
How many clubs Simon Grayson got promoted?
How did Chris Hughton not get blues promoted when he probably had the best squad in the league?
How many of the Sunderlands, Newcastle's etc have gone for Grayson or Hughton?
1. They've done about the same.
2. All 4 clubs who he has managed - Blackpool, Leeds, Huddersfield and Preston.
3. Because they're Blues.
4. 1 - Newcastle.
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I don't know the exact stats but my remedial maths calculates he's managed about 300 games at non premier league level and he's won over half of them, approx win percentage of 40 odd % and a proven (this is unequivocal) of getting teams promoted. Surely this is our pre-requisite?
Steve Bruce went to his mid-table Hull team the season after Pearson left, and in his first season got them promoted.
So he was hardly proving it at Hull when he did a vastly inferior job there to Steve Bruce.
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I don't know the exact stats but my remedial maths calculates he's managed about 300 games at non premier league level and he's won over half of them, approx win percentage of 40 odd % and a proven (this is unequivocal) of getting teams promoted. Surely this is our pre-requisite?
Steve Bruce went to his mid-table Hull team the season after Pearson left, and in his first season got them promoted.
So he was hardly proving it at Hull when he did a vastly inferior job there to Steve Bruce.
Also - 'a proven (this is unequivocal) of getting teams promoted'. Actually, he's done this less than Hughton, Bruce, McCarthy, Warnock or Grayson.
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I don't know the exact stats but my remedial maths calculates he's managed about 300 games at non premier league level and he's won over half of them, approx win percentage of 40 odd % and a proven (this is unequivocal) of getting teams promoted. Surely this is our pre-requisite?
Steve Bruce went to his mid-table Hull team the season after Pearson left, and in his first season got them promoted.
So he was hardly proving it at Hull when he did a vastly inferior job there to Steve Bruce.
Also - 'a proven (this is unequivocal) of getting teams promoted'. Actually, he's done this less than Hughton, Bruce, McCarthy, Warnock or Grayson.
I think The_ads has produced a much better argument against Pearson than I could ever come up with.
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
It's not just Pat Murphy though, is it? Pearson offends lots of people. He's also not the only manager out there who has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs, although he may be the only one who does it less often than he gets himself fired for being a liability. I really don't understand this clamour for a bully; Keane, Karsa and Culverhouse proved demonstrably that it doesn't work with these players - the latter pair of idiots even got fired for their behaviour. How is Pearson legally going to be more extreme than they were, then? Would it even work? I'd have thought the very last thing we need in our basket case of a dressing room is a volatile loon throwing his weight around.
I think we need someone with a calm head (which Pearson doesn't appear to possess) who copes well under pressure (which Pearson apparently can't) and will be here to see through a long term plan (which Pearson has never done). It's not just an either/or between a Southgate and a Pearson, there is a lot of middle ground there. As others have said, a bit of charisma would be welcome. That's charisma, not aggression. Pearson seems to bring almost guaranteed disgrace and embarrassment sooner or later; haven't we had enough of that this season?
they didn't get fired for bullying
Didn't they? I thought there were allegations of bullying, Karsa was suspended and both were subsequently fired after an internal investigation. Apologies if I'm wrong. Still doesn't mean a bully is what we need.
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Warburton - would he leave Rangers? They are massive but it is Scotland, not sure
I honestly cannot imagine Warburton leaving Rangers now that he's got them up to the Premier League. Think he'll want at least one crack at winning the league and/or getting into Europe. He won't get these sort of opportunities just yet down south.
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Warburton - would he leave Rangers? They are massive but it is Scotland, not sure
I honestly cannot imagine Warburton leaving Rangers now that he's got them up to the Premier League. Think he'll want at least one crack at winning the league and/or getting into Europe. He won't get these sort of opportunities just yet down south.
Yes, I think you're right. Which is a pity as I think he'd be quite an interesting candidate.
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Our reputation is shite at the moment. I care about results and would back nearly anybody who can deliver them.
I have been swayed by some of the things I've read from Leicester fans and I think if he ended up at Newcastle then I'd be concerned they'd finish above us. Automatic promotion has to be the only expectation and beyond Moyes, I think he'd deliver it.
Not for the first time, I agree entirely with Ads.
I initially wanted Moyes and only Moyes, but I've gradually come round to thinking that Pearson might actually be better for us.
This is how I feel on the subject.
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I don't know the exact stats but my remedial maths calculates he's managed about 300 games at non premier league level and he's won over half of them, approx win percentage of 40 odd % and a proven (this is unequivocal) of getting teams promoted. Surely this is our pre-requisite?
Steve Bruce went to his mid-table Hull team the season after Pearson left, and in his first season got them promoted.
So he was hardly proving it at Hull when he did a vastly inferior job there to Steve Bruce.
Also - 'a proven (this is unequivocal) of getting teams promoted'. Actually, he's done this less than Hughton, Bruce, McCarthy, Warnock or Grayson.
And if we're just looking at a couple of good seasons with one club and ignoring the rest of it, what Holloway achieved with Blackpool is far more impressive than anything Pearson did with Leicester.
Wouldn't particularly want him either.
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
It's not just Pat Murphy though, is it? Pearson offends lots of people. He's also not the only manager out there who has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs, although he may be the only one who does it less often than he gets himself fired for being a liability. I really don't understand this clamour for a bully; Keane, Karsa and Culverhouse proved demonstrably that it doesn't work with these players - the latter pair of idiots even got fired for their behaviour. How is Pearson legally going to be more extreme than they were, then? Would it even work? I'd have thought the very last thing we need in our basket case of a dressing room is a volatile loon throwing his weight around.
I think we need someone with a calm head (which Pearson doesn't appear to possess) who copes well under pressure (which Pearson apparently can't) and will be here to see through a long term plan (which Pearson has never done). It's not just an either/or between a Southgate and a Pearson, there is a lot of middle ground there. As others have said, a bit of charisma would be welcome. That's charisma, not aggression. Pearson seems to bring almost guaranteed disgrace and embarrassment sooner or later; haven't we had enough of that this season?
they didn't get fired for bullying
Didn't they? I thought there were allegations of bullying, Karsa was suspended and both were subsequently fired after an internal investigation. Apologies if I'm wrong. Still doesn't mean a bully is what we need.
they were fired for not doing their jobs, which Lambert was unaware of. He only kept his job because he agreed to them being fired
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One thing that drew my attention last night was how the news of Pearson wanting Powell as his Assistant Manager was reported. It appeared online in the Guardian, Telegraph and Daily Mail at exactly 10.30pm which makes me think it was an orchestrated release, by who I have no idea. The club?
It's worth considering it was reported by our respective journalists at each title too; John Percy, Stuart James and Laurie Whitwell.
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Somebody had clearly been briefed on the story.
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One thing about that Pat Murphy interview with Pearson. Murphy goaded and goaded, and Pearson tried not to rise against it despite his obvious anger. Murphy could have left it there, point made, but once he realised he was on safe ground, he continued the goading. If he'd tried that against Ferguson at Old Trafford he'd be out on his ear.
My issue was more that he completely lacked the whit or wisdom to change the crux of the conversation, he just sulked.
The whole thing could have been avoided if he hadn't acted a tit, and once caught out he could have simply apologised or changed the topic.
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I would like Warburton but as others have said he will stay and have a go at Celtic and Europe before he leaves. Likewise Eddie How has tried life away from Bournemouth at Burnley and it didn't work out. He has a great relationship and reputation growing there so he wouldn't leave. The three clubs who get promoted will keep their managers, why would they stay in the Championship?
the fact more than one outlet is reporting it tells me it is as good as done. Yes I am wary of Pearson's rep but at the same time we need a strict man to sort the club out and give the players a kick up the arse. Powell has managed at that level so could be a decent assistant. I have some faith in the view of Leicester/Albion fans that Pearson did good jobs there and is popular. As Brian posted it would just be nice to go to VP and see a team go out to fight and try to win. I watched Athletico run through brick walls last night to beat Barca, they worked harder and wanted it more. We need a Villa squad to embrace that ethic.
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I watched Athletico run through brick walls last night to beat Barca, they worked harder and wanted it more. We need a Villa squad to embrace that ethic.
Atletico are managed by that "unhinged" lunatic, Diego Simone.*
*No, Monty, I'm not comparing Simone and Pearson. ;)
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I watched Athletico run through brick walls last night to beat Barca, they worked harder and wanted it more. We need a Villa squad to embrace that ethic.
Atletico are managed by that "unhinged" lunatic, Diego Simone.*
*No, Monty, I'm not comparing Simone and Pearson. ;)
As has been already said though, you can get away with being a bit of a twat if you're extremely successful - Ferguson, Mourinho, Simeone.
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Pearsons managerial record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Pearson#Managerial_statistics
Overall 43.21% win rate over 405 games
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One thing about that Pat Murphy interview with Pearson. Murphy goaded and goaded, and Pearson tried not to rise against it despite his obvious anger. Murphy could have left it there, point made, but once he realised he was on safe ground, he continued the goading. If he'd tried that against Ferguson at Old Trafford he'd be out on his ear.
My issue was more that he completely lacked the whit or wisdom to change the crux of the conversation, he just sulked.
The whole thing could have been avoided if he hadn't acted a tit, and once caught out he could have simply apologised or changed the topic.
I think we all do things in the heat of the moment and think back later I maybe could have handled that differently
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I think i've gone off Moyes now. I'd like Warburton
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I think i've gone off Moyes now. I'd like Warburton
I'm more a Hovis man myself.
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I think i've gone off Moyes now. I'd like Warburton
I'm more a Hovis man myself.
Boom boom
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
It's not just Pat Murphy though, is it? Pearson offends lots of people. He's also not the only manager out there who has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs, although he may be the only one who does it less often than he gets himself fired for being a liability. I really don't understand this clamour for a bully; Keane, Karsa and Culverhouse proved demonstrably that it doesn't work with these players - the latter pair of idiots even got fired for their behaviour. How is Pearson legally going to be more extreme than they were, then? Would it even work? I'd have thought the very last thing we need in our basket case of a dressing room is a volatile loon throwing his weight around.
I think we need someone with a calm head (which Pearson doesn't appear to possess) who copes well under pressure (which Pearson apparently can't) and will be here to see through a long term plan (which Pearson has never done). It's not just an either/or between a Southgate and a Pearson, there is a lot of middle ground there. As others have said, a bit of charisma would be welcome. That's charisma, not aggression. Pearson seems to bring almost guaranteed disgrace and embarrassment sooner or later; haven't we had enough of that this season?
they didn't get fired for bullying
Didn't they? I thought there were allegations of bullying, Karsa was suspended and both were subsequently fired after an internal investigation. Apologies if I'm wrong. Still doesn't mean a bully is what we need.
they were fired for not doing their jobs, which Lambert was unaware of. He only kept his job because he agreed to them being fired
Well the individual investigations that led to their dismissals were both instigated following allegations of bullying. There was plenty of discussion on here at the time about how it might have affected the younger players.
Guardian article on dismissal (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/24/aston-villa-dismissal-ian-culverhouse-gary-karsa)
Daily Mail article on suspension (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2605951/Culverhouse-Karsa-bullying-claims-investigated-Villa-suspensions.html)
Culverhouse's Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Culverhouse#Aston_Villa) which he'd presumably have altered if it wasn't true, as if it's untrue it's libellous.
Unless of course you have incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, are privy to the clubs legal dealings or represented one of Karsa, Culverhouse or the club.
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I watched Athletico run through brick walls last night to beat Barca, they worked harder and wanted it more. We need a Villa squad to embrace that ethic.
Atletico are managed by that "unhinged" lunatic, Diego Simone.*
*No, Monty, I'm not comparing Simone and Pearson. ;)
As has been already said though, you can get away with being a bit of a twat if you're extremely successful - Ferguson, Mourinho, Simeone.
If could also be argued that they were all a bit nuts in their own way prior to being successful and it helped them gain and maintain control of their environments. That their subsequent success only helped to allow them to grow in that reputation but really it was always there.
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Simeone's a weird man who uses his own rage very deliberately and always has. Pearson isn't 'using' anything - he just loses it.
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Pearson just looks like he wants to lamp murphy in that press conference. Understandable, inexperierienced manager getting knocked down a peg or two, by experienced and well regarded local reporter. I'd be the same. Whoever comes in just needs to focus on results.
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Simeones as much of a nutter. Mourinho and his eye gouging, his physio treatment and his way with the press is equally unhinged. Fergie and clough were the last of the old school that would physically intimidate their own players. None of which matters if you win all the time. Pearson has a huge amount to prove.
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
I just want a good manager. Pearson has the record try of a mediocre Championship manager with one standout season.
I'm in the Pearson in camp, upsetting Murphy is surely a bonus!
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
I just want a good manager. Pearson has the record try of a mediocre Championship manager with one standout season.
I'm in the Pearson in camp, upsetting Murphy is surely a bonus!
wasn't the captain from Mike Bassetts England team based on Pearson??
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I've always thought we were the good guys. In the constant battle between good and evil, this would be an almighty coup for Team Evil.
This is how I feel about it. It's incredibly frustrating that we have ended-up in such a position of weakness that we don't seem to be able to uphold these values.
As a side issue, I was thinking last night about how we had three 'Villa men' in a row as managers in the 90s, which cast D'OL's subsequent lack of empathy with supporters into sharp relief. Although nice, I don't think its essential for the manager to be a 'Villa man', that's increasingly unrealistic given the paucity of contenders and the globalised nature of modern football. I was pleased with dignity that RG seemed to bring to the role, and don't accept that he was a walk-over, or that he wouldn't have been more successful in other circumstances.
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
It's not just Pat Murphy though, is it? Pearson offends lots of people. He's also not the only manager out there who has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs, although he may be the only one who does it less often than he gets himself fired for being a liability. I really don't understand this clamour for a bully; Keane, Karsa and Culverhouse proved demonstrably that it doesn't work with these players - the latter pair of idiots even got fired for their behaviour. How is Pearson legally going to be more extreme than they were, then? Would it even work? I'd have thought the very last thing we need in our basket case of a dressing room is a volatile loon throwing his weight around.
I think we need someone with a calm head (which Pearson doesn't appear to possess) who copes well under pressure (which Pearson apparently can't) and will be here to see through a long term plan (which Pearson has never done). It's not just an either/or between a Southgate and a Pearson, there is a lot of middle ground there. As others have said, a bit of charisma would be welcome. That's charisma, not aggression. Pearson seems to bring almost guaranteed disgrace and embarrassment sooner or later; haven't we had enough of that this season?
they didn't get fired for bullying
Didn't they? I thought there were allegations of bullying, Karsa was suspended and both were subsequently fired after an internal investigation. Apologies if I'm wrong. Still doesn't mean a bully is what we need.
they were fired for not doing their jobs, which Lambert was unaware of. He only kept his job because he agreed to them being fired
Well the individual investigations that led to their dismissals were both instigated following allegations of bullying. There was plenty of discussion on here at the time about how it might have affected the younger players.
Guardian article on dismissal (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/24/aston-villa-dismissal-ian-culverhouse-gary-karsa)
Daily Mail article on suspension (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2605951/Culverhouse-Karsa-bullying-claims-investigated-Villa-suspensions.html)
Culverhouse's Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Culverhouse#Aston_Villa) which he'd presumably have altered if it wasn't true, as if it's untrue it's libellous.
Unless of course you have incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, are privy to the clubs legal dealings or represented one of Karsa, Culverhouse or the club.
newspapers don't always print the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And anyone can edit Wikipedia
internal investigation and off-field matters would appear to be correct, the bullying aspect less so
and yes, I remember well all of the discussions on here at the time. Bullying, or aggressive coaching methods, might actually be better than the truth
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One thing about that Pat Murphy interview with Pearson. Murphy goaded and goaded, and Pearson tried not to rise against it despite his obvious anger. Murphy could have left it there, point made, but once he realised he was on safe ground, he continued the goading. If he'd tried that against Ferguson at Old Trafford he'd be out on his ear.
My issue was more that he completely lacked the whit or wisdom to change the crux of the conversation, he just sulked.
The whole thing could have been avoided if he hadn't acted a tit, and once caught out he could have simply apologised or changed the topic.
He didn't handle it brilliantly, but for a psychopath - according to some on here - he was very restrained. Ferguson would probably have pulled Murphy's tongue out with his bare hands and beaten him to death with it.
I'm not saying Pearson is the answer, but I doubt he's as bad as some are making out.
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
It's not just Pat Murphy though, is it? Pearson offends lots of people. He's also not the only manager out there who has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs, although he may be the only one who does it less often than he gets himself fired for being a liability. I really don't understand this clamour for a bully; Keane, Karsa and Culverhouse proved demonstrably that it doesn't work with these players - the latter pair of idiots even got fired for their behaviour. How is Pearson legally going to be more extreme than they were, then? Would it even work? I'd have thought the very last thing we need in our basket case of a dressing room is a volatile loon throwing his weight around.
I think we need someone with a calm head (which Pearson doesn't appear to possess) who copes well under pressure (which Pearson apparently can't) and will be here to see through a long term plan (which Pearson has never done). It's not just an either/or between a Southgate and a Pearson, there is a lot of middle ground there. As others have said, a bit of charisma would be welcome. That's charisma, not aggression. Pearson seems to bring almost guaranteed disgrace and embarrassment sooner or later; haven't we had enough of that this season?
they didn't get fired for bullying
Didn't they? I thought there were allegations of bullying, Karsa was suspended and both were subsequently fired after an internal investigation. Apologies if I'm wrong. Still doesn't mean a bully is what we need.
they were fired for not doing their jobs, which Lambert was unaware of. He only kept his job because he agreed to them being fired
Well the individual investigations that led to their dismissals were both instigated following allegations of bullying. There was plenty of discussion on here at the time about how it might have affected the younger players.
Guardian article on dismissal (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/24/aston-villa-dismissal-ian-culverhouse-gary-karsa)
Daily Mail article on suspension (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2605951/Culverhouse-Karsa-bullying-claims-investigated-Villa-suspensions.html)
Culverhouse's Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Culverhouse#Aston_Villa) which he'd presumably have altered if it wasn't true, as if it's untrue it's libellous.
Unless of course you have incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, are privy to the clubs legal dealings or represented one of Karsa, Culverhouse or the club.
newspapers don't always print the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And anyone can edit Wikipedia
internal investigation and off-field matters would appear to be correct, the bullying aspect less so
and yes, I remember well all of the discussions on here at the time. Bullying, or aggressive coaching methods, might actually be better than the truth
If you don't mind me asking, if you're disregarding the newspapers and the internet, where do you have your information from? Is it actually from a reliable source or just your opinion? Genuine question.
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
I just want a good manager. Pearson has the record of a mediocre Championship manager with one standout season.
Not really did well enough with leicester and Hull given their status at the time.
Also, saw this:
Pearson took a hard line on controversial Leicester defender Wayne Brown, who had publicly admitted in front of his team mates – including some of ethnic minority backgrounds – that he had voted for the far right British National Party in the general election on 6 May. He dropped Brown from the side for the playoffs. During the close season, Brown left the club to sign for Preston North End.
Not as much of a twat as first appears, then.
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I don't know the exact stats but my remedial maths calculates he's managed about 300 games at non premier league level and he's won over half of them, approx win percentage of 40 odd % and a proven (this is unequivocal) of getting teams promoted. Surely this is our pre-requisite?
Steve Bruce went to his mid-table Hull team the season after Pearson left, and in his first season got them promoted.
So he was hardly proving it at Hull when he did a vastly inferior job there to Steve Bruce.
That's very misleading though. he turned a failing and poor team around and made them stable. bruce was able to add to it by attracting players who wouldn't have necessarily gone the season before when hull were struggling.
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Pearson just looks like he wants to lamp murphy in that press conference. Understandable, inexperierienced manager getting knocked down a peg or two, by experienced and well regarded local reporter. I'd be the same. Whoever comes in just needs to focus on results.
Inexperienced? Pearson's first manager role was nearly 20 years ago. He's hardly been without a job from 2007 until Leicester sacked him.
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I think he must mean inexperienced in terms of years in the job. his first jobs were only short-term weren't they? And or caretaker positions? Not fully sure but he's only been a full-time hands on manager since Leicester.
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If it is Pearson, I hope the club aren't thinking that he will be able to get something out of the 'desperate 6'. I have had it with that group of players and I think a lot of supporters think the same.
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
It's not just Pat Murphy though, is it? Pearson offends lots of people. He's also not the only manager out there who has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs, although he may be the only one who does it less often than he gets himself fired for being a liability. I really don't understand this clamour for a bully; Keane, Karsa and Culverhouse proved demonstrably that it doesn't work with these players - the latter pair of idiots even got fired for their behaviour. How is Pearson legally going to be more extreme than they were, then? Would it even work? I'd have thought the very last thing we need in our basket case of a dressing room is a volatile loon throwing his weight around.
I think we need someone with a calm head (which Pearson doesn't appear to possess) who copes well under pressure (which Pearson apparently can't) and will be here to see through a long term plan (which Pearson has never done). It's not just an either/or between a Southgate and a Pearson, there is a lot of middle ground there. As others have said, a bit of charisma would be welcome. That's charisma, not aggression. Pearson seems to bring almost guaranteed disgrace and embarrassment sooner or later; haven't we had enough of that this season?
they didn't get fired for bullying
Didn't they? I thought there were allegations of bullying, Karsa was suspended and both were subsequently fired after an internal investigation. Apologies if I'm wrong. Still doesn't mean a bully is what we need.
they were fired for not doing their jobs, which Lambert was unaware of. He only kept his job because he agreed to them being fired
Well the individual investigations that led to their dismissals were both instigated following allegations of bullying. There was plenty of discussion on here at the time about how it might have affected the younger players.
Guardian article on dismissal (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/24/aston-villa-dismissal-ian-culverhouse-gary-karsa)
Daily Mail article on suspension (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2605951/Culverhouse-Karsa-bullying-claims-investigated-Villa-suspensions.html)
Culverhouse's Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Culverhouse#Aston_Villa) which he'd presumably have altered if it wasn't true, as if it's untrue it's libellous.
Unless of course you have incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, are privy to the clubs legal dealings or represented one of Karsa, Culverhouse or the club.
newspapers don't always print the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And anyone can edit Wikipedia
internal investigation and off-field matters would appear to be correct, the bullying aspect less so
and yes, I remember well all of the discussions on here at the time. Bullying, or aggressive coaching methods, might actually be better than the truth
If you don't mind me asking, if you're disregarding the newspapers and the internet, where do you have your information from? Is it actually from a reliable source or just your opinion? Genuine question.
someone I consider a reliable source, works at BH
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Although certainly not my first choice I would take him in a heartbeat if the serious alternatives are:
Bruce
McCarthy
Pulis
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Although certainly not my first choice I would take him in a heartbeat if the serious alternatives are:
Bruce
McCarthy
Pulis
I'd take him over Bruce and most definitely Pulis. I don't mind McCarthy but I'd choose Pearson over him as well.
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Simeone's a weird man who uses his own rage very deliberately and always has. Pearson isn't 'using' anything - he just loses it.
I'm not sure assaulting the 4th official and getting an 8 match ban was using his own rage deliberately.
My concerns on Pearson remain on how he deals with the pressure. In this clip (around the 2min50 mark) he claims that the true personality comes out when your under pressure.
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Ha, forgot about that. Yes, Simeone is a lunatic.
I'm just totally unenthused. His record is actually unspectacular, the things which people say are positive about him don't strike me as my kind of positive, shall we say, and I can just see the whole thing blowing up.
He may well even get us promoted. I just can't get myself to be really excited about a stage in Villa's career where the great saviour of the club is Nigel sodding Pearson.
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Pearson just looks like he wants to lamp murphy in that press conference. Understandable, inexperierienced manager getting knocked down a peg or two, by experienced and well regarded local reporter. I'd be the same. Whoever comes in just needs to focus on results.
Inexperienced? Pearson's first manager role was nearly 20 years ago. He's hardly been without a job from 2007 until Leicester sacked him.
I might be wrong, but wasn't Pearson manager of Boro and Hull ?
UTV
The Doc
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Pearson just looks like he wants to lamp murphy in that press conference. Understandable, inexperierienced manager getting knocked down a peg or two, by experienced and well regarded local reporter. I'd be the same. Whoever comes in just needs to focus on results.
Inexperienced? Pearson's first manager role was nearly 20 years ago. He's hardly been without a job from 2007 until Leicester sacked him.
so was mine mate, doesn't qualify me to manage a club, not just a team, but a club like Villa. He had no response to Murphy's line of questions at all. Not saying he couldn't get us up, but that interview was pretty amateur in terms of dealing with the media.
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Ferguson would probably have pulled Murphy's tongue out with his bare hands and beaten him to death with it.
Ferguson was more likely to say something unintelligible to him and then either get up and walk out or ask the press officer to remove him. At least Murphy is prepared to challenge people and not toe the party line, how often did you see anybody challenge Ferguson? Anybody questioning him would find themselves unable to gain access to any of the players for interviews, Ferguson was a bully and for some reason the hierarchy at the club still seem to march to his drum which is great as whilst he's still hanging about they're getting progressively worse.
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Fuck off and die wasn't a good choice of words. But had he just told him to fuck off, after sustained abuse I can absolutely see why he snapped and said something. To me it doesn't show that he can't take pressure. It shows that one person after a lot of very personal abuse got to him to provoke that reaction. The bigger question is why didn't the stewards step in sooner? If I had my kid there, or even from a personal level I wouldn't want to hear one twat go on like that. This is football and I know things can get the better of us but there has to be limit to even that.
I had never heard the comment in context. Just what Pearson said. I don't think I would have responded much differently to how he did. The guy really was going on and on and on.
Pearson wouldn't be my first choice. But I'm used to shopping at Waitrose, Villa are now shopping at Lidl or Iceland, when it comes to managers. Cheers Randy.
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....and what would you prefer? A nice comfortable clean cut manager like Southgate who will nod and smile and say the nice things and charm the press or someone who actually has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs? Albeit by upsetting Pat Murphy
It's not just Pat Murphy though, is it? Pearson offends lots of people. He's also not the only manager out there who has experience of turning round the fortunes of football clubs, although he may be the only one who does it less often than he gets himself fired for being a liability. I really don't understand this clamour for a bully; Keane, Karsa and Culverhouse proved demonstrably that it doesn't work with these players - the latter pair of idiots even got fired for their behaviour. How is Pearson legally going to be more extreme than they were, then? Would it even work? I'd have thought the very last thing we need in our basket case of a dressing room is a volatile loon throwing his weight around.
I think we need someone with a calm head (which Pearson doesn't appear to possess) who copes well under pressure (which Pearson apparently can't) and will be here to see through a long term plan (which Pearson has never done). It's not just an either/or between a Southgate and a Pearson, there is a lot of middle ground there. As others have said, a bit of charisma would be welcome. That's charisma, not aggression. Pearson seems to bring almost guaranteed disgrace and embarrassment sooner or later; haven't we had enough of that this season?
they didn't get fired for bullying
Didn't they? I thought there were allegations of bullying, Karsa was suspended and both were subsequently fired after an internal investigation. Apologies if I'm wrong. Still doesn't mean a bully is what we need.
they were fired for not doing their jobs, which Lambert was unaware of. He only kept his job because he agreed to them being fired
Well the individual investigations that led to their dismissals were both instigated following allegations of bullying. There was plenty of discussion on here at the time about how it might have affected the younger players.
Guardian article on dismissal (http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/may/24/aston-villa-dismissal-ian-culverhouse-gary-karsa)
Daily Mail article on suspension (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2605951/Culverhouse-Karsa-bullying-claims-investigated-Villa-suspensions.html)
Culverhouse's Wikipedia page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Culverhouse#Aston_Villa) which he'd presumably have altered if it wasn't true, as if it's untrue it's libellous.
Unless of course you have incontrovertible evidence to the contrary, are privy to the clubs legal dealings or represented one of Karsa, Culverhouse or the club.
newspapers don't always print the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. And anyone can edit Wikipedia
internal investigation and off-field matters would appear to be correct, the bullying aspect less so
and yes, I remember well all of the discussions on here at the time. Bullying, or aggressive coaching methods, might actually be better than the truth
If you don't mind me asking, if you're disregarding the newspapers and the internet, where do you have your information from? Is it actually from a reliable source or just your opinion? Genuine question.
someone I consider a reliable source, works at BH
Apologies for the quoteathon, but I believe I know what you know. And it wasn't about bullying.
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What was it then?
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Come on Lee - don't leave us all in suspense
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Pearson just looks like he wants to lamp murphy in that press conference. Understandable, inexperierienced manager getting knocked down a peg or two, by experienced and well regarded local reporter. I'd be the same. Whoever comes in just needs to focus on results.
Inexperienced? Pearson's first manager role was nearly 20 years ago. He's hardly been without a job from 2007 until Leicester sacked him.
On almost all the interviews I've watched, he comes across as having a real chip on his shoulder. He always reminds me of somebody that would look happier policing a miners picket line back in the mid 80s. To his credit, he was always sharing the credit with his backroom staff, he's no egomaniac.
What's more important is how he communicates with his players and on that level he doesn't seem to have a problem. I can handle his awkwardness for a season providing he takes us up.
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I'm just totally unenthused. His record is actually unspectacular, the things which people say are positive about him don't strike me as my kind of positive, shall we say, and I can just see the whole thing blowing up.
He may well even get us promoted. I just can't get myself to be really excited about a stage in Villa's career where the great saviour of the club is Nigel sodding Pearson.
I'm with Monty on this, my problem is I am struggling to suggest a realistic target that does enthuse me. There's talk of Quique Sánchez Flores not yet having signed a new contract at Watford. He at least appears to have something about him rather than the dour others we are linked with.
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Pearsons managerial record
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigel_Pearson#Managerial_statistics
Overall 43.21% win rate over 405 games
what was sherwoods win ratio before this season
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I'm just totally unenthused. His record is actually unspectacular, the things which people say are positive about him don't strike me as my kind of positive, shall we say, and I can just see the whole thing blowing up.
He may well even get us promoted. I just can't get myself to be really excited about a stage in Villa's career where the great saviour of the club is Nigel sodding Pearson.
I'm with Monty on this, my problem is I am struggling to suggest a realistic target that does enthuse me. There's talk of Quique Sánchez Flores not yet having signed a new contract at Watford. He at least appears to have something about him rather than the dour others we are linked with.
Flores seems decent to me, did a great job at Athletico. Not sure he would take a job in division 2 though and surprised bigger clubs than Watford aren't in for him
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I'm just totally unenthused. His record is actually unspectacular, the things which people say are positive about him don't strike me as my kind of positive, shall we say, and I can just see the whole thing blowing up.
He may well even get us promoted. I just can't get myself to be really excited about a stage in Villa's career where the great saviour of the club is Nigel sodding Pearson.
I'm with Monty on this, my problem is I am struggling to suggest a realistic target that does enthuse me. There's talk of Quique Sánchez Flores not yet having signed a new contract at Watford. He at least appears to have something about him rather than the dour others we are linked with.
Trust some bloke who manages Watford to turn the club around? That will never work.
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I'm just totally unenthused. His record is actually unspectacular, the things which people say are positive about him don't strike me as my kind of positive, shall we say, and I can just see the whole thing blowing up.
He may well even get us promoted. I just can't get myself to be really excited about a stage in Villa's career where the great saviour of the club is Nigel sodding Pearson.
I'm with Monty on this, my problem is I am struggling to suggest a realistic target that does enthuse me. There's talk of Quique Sánchez Flores not yet having signed a new contract at Watford. He at least appears to have something about him rather than the dour others we are linked with.
Trust some bloke who manages Watford to turn the club around? That will never work.
It was actually a Serb that got them promoted last season. Not sure how much experience he had of the Championship but I have a feeling it was none.
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Ferguson would probably have pulled Murphy's tongue out with his bare hands and beaten him to death with it.
Ferguson was more likely to say something unintelligible to him and then either get up and walk out or ask the press officer to remove him. At least Murphy is prepared to challenge people and not toe the party line, how often did you see anybody challenge Ferguson? Anybody questioning him would find themselves unable to gain access to any of the players for interviews, Ferguson was a bully and for some reason the hierarchy at the club still seem to march to his drum which is great as whilst he's still hanging about they're getting progressively worse.
Agreed, Ferguson was a special kind of bully who had all kinds of weapons in his locker. Murphy wouldn't dare stand up to him, and neither did the vast majority of his peers. Pearson was an easy target, and didn't Murphy know it.
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What has Grayson and Hughton done in football that Pearson hasn't?
How many clubs Simon Grayson got promoted?
How did Chris Hughton not get blues promoted when he probably had the best squad in the league?
How many of the Sunderlands, Newcastle's etc have gone for Grayson or Hughton?
1. They've done about the same.
2. All 4 clubs who he has managed - Blackpool, Leeds, Huddersfield and Preston.
3. Because they're Blues.
4. 1 - Newcastle.
Grayson is probably the only manager who has had any sort of success at the shitstorm in Leeds in the past 12 years.
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Ferguson would probably have pulled Murphy's tongue out with his bare hands and beaten him to death with it.
Ferguson was more likely to say something unintelligible to him and then either get up and walk out or ask the press officer to remove him. At least Murphy is prepared to challenge people and not toe the party line, how often did you see anybody challenge Ferguson? Anybody questioning him would find themselves unable to gain access to any of the players for interviews, Ferguson was a bully and for some reason the hierarchy at the club still seem to march to his drum which is great as whilst he's still hanging about they're getting progressively worse.
Agreed, Ferguson was a special kind of bully who had all kinds of weapons in his locker. Murphy wouldn't dare stand up to him, and neither did the vast majority of his peers. Pearson was an easy target, and didn't Murphy know it.
I don't know, nobody really remembers what the interview was about, more that Pearson got shirty.
He's protected his players then, which was the intention of Fergie, Mourinho et al, to ultimately deflect attention and reduce external pressures.
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I am getting this sinking feeling that I am going to have to find a way of accepting that Pearson is our manager. Then within months a video will appear showing him singing Nazi songs dressed as Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz while biting the heads off live chickens.
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I am getting this sinking feeling that I am going to have to find a way of accepting that Pearson is our manager. Then within months a video will appear showing him singing Nazi songs dressed as Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz while biting the heads off live chickens.
You could at least interpret that as an anti-homophobia gesture.
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I am getting this sinking feeling that I am going to have to find a way of accepting that Pearson is our manager. Then within months a video will appear showing him singing Nazi songs dressed as Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz while biting the heads off live chickens.
You could at least interpret that as an anti-homophobia gesture.
And as a tribute to one of Aston's most famous sons...
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I get the anti-pearson stance and he was easily dislikeable thanks to his rants and bizarre behaviour. But it was nothing more than a passing "I'm glad he's not our manager" when seeing his 'episodes' rather than any critique of his ability to do the job.
I don't know where we go from here and although I like the cut of Eric Black's gib we need to just start again with a manager who has had some sort of success in the division we're going into. Pearson could blow up in our faces and this could be just the latest in that line. However, I doubt it. More because of the people doing the recruiting this time and the due diligence that has gone into it.
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I have 3 big concerns re. Pearson:
1) His bizarre and aggressive personality, as seen last season on several occasions, will the players take to him?
2) Shakespeare and Walsh, his 2 long-time assistants, are still at Leicester
3) If he was that good, why hasn't any other team in the mire over the last 9 months decided to employ him?
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I feel the same way about Pearson that I do when I see a letter from HM Revenue and Customs on the doormat. There could be great news inside it, but experience and gut feeling tells you that's unlikely.
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I am getting this sinking feeling that I am going to have to find a way of accepting that Pearson is our manager. Then within months a video will appear showing him singing Nazi songs dressed as Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz while biting the heads off live chickens.
You could at least interpret that as an anti-homophobia gesture.
And as a tribute to one of Aston's most famous sons...
very good
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I have posted before that I dont think Pearson is right for us but will obviously back him if he gets the Job, nearly all my Blues/Albion work colleagues dont want us to get him, they all think he would do a good job for us which makes me feel slightly better should he be appointed.
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Pearson could blow up in our faces and this could be just the latest in that line. However, I doubt it. More because of the people doing the recruiting this time and the due diligence that has gone into it.
I'm really hoping our Boys from the FA really know what they are doing with their restricted search of our new manager. Looking at the managers that are likely to be working in the PL next season, it's like reading a Who's Who of World Football. There are currently seven British managers in the PL from which either 2 or 3 will be relegated and at least another two are very likely to be replaced in the summer. Realistically, only Mark Hughes and Eddie Howe look certain to keep their jobs. Who will England turn to should Roy Hodgson step down after the Euros?
The Championship is full of British managers and as Pearson commented in an interview I heard recently, getting promoted is pretty much the only way an English manager can get a job in the PL. Somebody has to keep the torch burning for English managers, I just hope our selection process is solely based on the interests of Aston Villa and not with half an eye on developing English managers.
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I have 3 big concerns re. Pearson:
1) His bizarre and aggressive personality, as seen last season on several occasions, will the players take to him?
2) Shakespeare and Walsh, his 2 long-time assistants, are still at Leicester
3) If he was that good, why hasn't any other team in the mire over the last 9 months decided to employ him?
You've touched on something with your third point which has struck me about this revisited debate ever since Lambert went; why do so many of us feel that we'll be fishing in a pond of the recently sacked and the long-term unemployed? I'd love to see us nick someone else's, only this time from somewhere more salubrious than the sty or carrow road. Klopp'll do. Or Koeman.
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It seems that Pearson is being judged on the back of an 7 or 8 game run at the end of the season. What about the other 30 games? Can't say I am impressed if this is confirmed.
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It seems that Pearson is being judged on the back of an 7 or 8 game run at the end of the season. What about the other 30 games? Can't say I am impressed if this is confirmed.
I'm more bothered about our potential new managers record and ability to get us flying in the championship than worrying about how we will cope back in the PL.
We need to build a whole new team spirit and direction which will give us a solid foundation when we return to the PL.
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Just saw Dyche do a press conference on Sky Sports News - not seen much of him in that setting before. He spoke very well, measured and thoughtful. He wouldn't be my first choice, but I'm more inclined to consider him than I was.
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I've a feeling Bernstein and Co will pull a surprise out of the hat.
Someone mentioned earlier when Arry Rednapp was nailed on for the England job out of nowhere came Woy.
Bernstein was at the FA then, I just wonder.
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I've a feeling Bernstein and Co will pull a surprise out of the hat.
Someone mentioned earlier when Arry Rednapp was nailed on for the England job out of nowhere came Woy.
Bernstein was at the FA then, I just wonder.
Please don't wonder along those lines!
Wouldn't be my choice ...
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Gary Rowett with Olaf Mellberg as Assistant and Paul Clement as First Team Coach?
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Gary Rowett with Olaf Melberg as Assistant and Paul Clement as First Team Coach?
Best suggestion I've seen yet!
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Watching the Pearson - Pat Murphy interview, the one conclusion I came to was that Murphy is a disingenuous, pompous twat, who used his 'defending a fellow colleague' line, so he could pontificate about Pearson's 'charge sheet' in an obvious attempt to goad another reaction out of someone who was obviously on the back foot. After some of the things people have said, I was half expecting to see Pearson swing for Murphy at the end, but no, he kept his cool under some heavy provocation.
As for whether he should be our next manager, what I would like to see next season is a team who in the mould of an Atletico Madrid, who may not be as good as Barcelona or Real Madrid, but give 100% every game, and want to play for each other. Diego Simeone is a bit nuts as well, if Pearson can get us to become more than the sum of our parts, a la Atleti, then he'll quickly have the majority of our support behind him, whether he's good with the media or not.
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
What about all the other seasons he managed in the Championship and didn't get near it? Do they count?
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Watching the Pearson - Pat Murphy interview, the one conclusion I came to was that Murphy is a disingenuous, pompous twat, who used his 'defending a fellow colleague' line, so he could pontificate about Pearson's 'charge sheet' in an obvious attempt to goad another reaction out of someone who was obviously on the back foot. After some of the things people have said, I was half expecting to see Pearson swing for Murphy at the end, but no, he kept his cool under some heavy provocation.
As for whether he should be our next manager, what I would like to see next season is a team who in the mould of an Atletico Madrid, who may not be as good as Barcelona or Real Madrid, but give 100% every game, and want to play for each other. Diego Simeone is a bit nuts as well, if Pearson can get us to become more than the sum of our parts, a la Atleti, then he'll quickly have the majority of our support behind him, whether he's good with the media or not.
Must admit after watching it that's exactly how I saw it. Murphy is an arrogant arsehole and always has been. Don't understand why journalists can't be journalists instead of trying to make the news themselves
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
Any idea of his net spend, Dave?
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
Indeed this idea that Pearson pretty much guarantees us promotion is utter bollocks.
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
Any idea of his net spend, Dave?
Probably not much. Any idea how much Leicester were spending on wages compared to everyone else on their umpteen loanees from the top end of the Premier League?
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Not sure if this has been posted before but a good debate here.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/article-3537575/MARTIN-SAMUEL-owners-thinking-buck-stops-manager-puzzle-took-abject-disaster-Aston-Villa-Randy-Lerner-look-departments.html
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
Any idea of his net spend, Dave?
Probably not much. Any idea how much Leicester were spending on wages compared to everyone else on their umpteen loanees from the top end of the Premier League?
Probably less than Bruce at Hull. Boy, does that man like to trade. He makes Redknapp look like Trigger.
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Pearson is starting to be one of my contenders. In my rankings he now has (in no particular order) Bruce, Pullis, McCarthy, McClaren, Warnock and Monk below him. Blimey, selection by process of elimination or last man standing. How has it come to this.
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Colin Wanker has got seven teams promoted in his managerial career. Like him or loathe him, he gets results. I'd even consider him...at least he'd be ruthless with this mob.
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
It was 2 and a half-seasons. The first of which (2011-12) he joined roughly half way through the season. The second season (2012-13) Leicester lost in the play-offs and missed a last-minute penalty which would have took them through to the final. And the third season (2013-14) they won the Championship. Not quite 3 out of 4 barren years.
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For all we know, Pearson is lining up his mate Powell so they go and manage Nottingham Forest together. I see that Guidolin from Swansea is talking about staying on. Where does this leave shiny teeth Rodgers? Villa? I wouldn't mind that at all.
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Pearson (back) to Newcastle isn't impossible either I guess.
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
Any idea of his net spend, Dave?
Probably not much. Any idea how much Leicester were spending on wages compared to everyone else on their umpteen loanees from the top end of the Premier League?
Well Sven had a good go at that and failed miserably before him....
I've actually just made the point on VT so will repeat here...Pearson should be getting a bit more praise for having an eye for a player surely?
Vardy, Mahrez, Wes Morgan,Knockeart Huth, Drinkwater all signed under his watch at Leicester for not a huge amount. The bloke can spot a player and mould them into his system and team which is where we've failed miserably for last 5 years.
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Although certainly not my first choice I would take him in a heartbeat if the serious alternatives are:
Bruce
McCarthy
Pulis
I'd take him over Bruce and most definitely Pulis. I don't mind McCarthy but I'd choose Pearson over him as well.
Ironically the only one who would 100% get us promoted next season in my mind would be Pulis although of course it would be far from pretty but then the championship is that sort of league really.
Mick McCarthy has a very good record at that level but him coming here wouldn't excite me at all, would have the feeling of yesterday's man.
Wouldn't rule Bruce out at all, if Hull don't go up and we're still without a manager I think he could become more prominent in the race than he is now.
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I'm just totally unenthused. His record is actually unspectacular, the things which people say are positive about him don't strike me as my kind of positive, shall we say, and I can just see the whole thing blowing up.
He may well even get us promoted. I just can't get myself to be really excited about a stage in Villa's career where the great saviour of the club is Nigel sodding Pearson.
I'm with Monty on this, my problem is I am struggling to suggest a realistic target that does enthuse me. There's talk of Quique Sánchez Flores not yet having signed a new contract at Watford. He at least appears to have something about him rather than the dour others we are linked with.
Trust some bloke who manages Watford to turn the club around? That will never work.
It was actually a Serb that got them promoted last season. Not sure how much experience he had of the Championship but I have a feeling it was none.
He's actually at Fulham now and his win ratio is pretty abysmal considering he's been there for a few months and they've only just started pulling away from bottom 3.
Sometimes it's more about the squad and state of club, Watford can pull experienced international players from decent clubs in Italy and Spain with their ownership structure.
That said if we got promoted and were taken over and had a huge amount of cash, I'd go to Watford and pay whatever the compensation clause is for Flores.
Probably my favourite manager in the premier league, just think he has a touch of class about him and conducts himself very well. If you can bare to watch have a look at Watford team arriving at VP before the game this season, Flores has a good few minutes studying the photos on the wall of our great past teams.
He's the sort of manager who'd "get" this club and traditions imo.
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Its all gone to quiet
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
Any idea of his net spend, Dave?
Probably not much. Any idea how much Leicester were spending on wages compared to everyone else on their umpteen loanees from the top end of the Premier League?
Well Sven had a good go at that and failed miserably before him....
I've actually just made the point on VT so will repeat here...Pearson should be getting a bit more praise for having an eye for a player surely?
Vardy, Mahrez, Wes Morgan,Knockeart Huth, Drinkwater all signed under his watch at Leicester for not a huge amount. The bloke can spot a player and mould them into his system and team which is where we've failed miserably for last 5 years.
Not sure how many Pearson can take credit for. A lot of things I have read suggest Walsh was the driver behind a lot of the signings which having been a scout at Chelsea makes some sense. He may will be the hidden gem for Leicester.
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Interestingly it seems Pearson's agent is Walsh's brother so there must be a decently string link. Arsenal have been trying to get him but he is close to signing a new deal with Leicester. If they struggle to emulate this season he might be gettable down the line. Villa need to find and put in place their own scouting team and trusted system though.
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Very surprised the club are taking another chance with a manager when we are in the state we are in. Maybe I'm missing something, but I wouldn't regard Pearson as being any more remarkable than our last three or four managers. We need a unifying appointment, this guy won't be that. If it works, I'll be delighted. But something does not sit well with me about this guy. What has he done to deserve to manage our great club? I can't see what it is.....
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
It was 2 and a half-seasons. The first of which (2011-12) he joined roughly half way through the season. The second season (2012-13) Leicester lost in the play-offs and missed a last-minute penalty which would have took them through to the final. And the third season (2013-14) they won the Championship. Not quite 3 out of 4 barren years.
And you're not counting 2009/10 because...?
And adding "roughly" still doesn't make November anything like halfway through the season.
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I would be happy to just regain some stability back into the club. If it takes 2-3 seasons to come back up but we're better for it , then so be it.
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Problem is VA that some of us may not be around in 2 or 3 seasons.
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We have to get a balanced wages structure in place. We cannot go down the lines of buying promotion as, invariably, a fair few will not be good enough for the PL and we will be saddled with more expensive non-playing assets.
This is why I am unsure about our next manager. We need someone that can build a team, not just buy one. Exit left Mr Bruce.
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I have 3 big concerns re. Pearson:
1) His bizarre and aggressive personality, as seen last season on several occasions, will the players take to him?
2) Shakespeare and Walsh, his 2 long-time assistants, are still at Leicester
3) If he was that good, why hasn't any other team in the mire over the last 9 months decided to employ him?
Absolutely spot on I wish people would focus on this rather than the fact he may rant and punch a few players. I don't buy the rubbish about championship experience either. This man has nothing to offer us. Get Moyes now
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Paul Lamberts CV prior to getting the villa job read just as good, if not better than Pearsons. Moyes is a far better more sustainable choice.
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Problem is VA that some of us may not be around in 2 or 3 seasons.
Do you have to Brian?
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Yes I do ROBBO. Great believer in expecting the worst and hoping for the best. To give balance to my natural miseryarse tendencies I have put a codocil on my last will and testament that my estate will pay for a beer for every Holte Ender on the 100th anniversary of my birthday. Damon will have to organise it and pay if I go on a bad losing run on the horses.
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I have 3 big concerns re. Pearson:
1) His bizarre and aggressive personality, as seen last season on several occasions, will the players take to him?
2) Shakespeare and Walsh, his 2 long-time assistants, are still at Leicester
3) If he was that good, why hasn't any other team in the mire over the last 9 months decided to employ him?
Absolutely spot on I wish people would focus on this rather than the fact he may rant and punch a few players. I don't buy the rubbish about championship experience either. This man has nothing to offer us. Get Moyes now
I feel exactly the same about Moyes - does not inspire me at all
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I'm surprised you've warmed so much to Pearson, RCF. Don't you think he's a bit of a backwards, beef-and-potatoes manager in the style of a MON?
I've spent far too much time really reading up on potential managers, their signings, budget, results, listening to what fans had to say about them - fuck, as I said, far too much time but the conclusion I drew was that Pearson, as mad as he can be, is a bloody winner. All those hoping he's punch our wasters are in for a disappointment, he does the opposite, he gets players working bloody hard for him. He's not like Moyes or even Hughton, that can be, let's say, defensive. Pearson's teams have a go at the opposition every week, so expect a few 3-2 victories along the way rather than a 1-0 win.
He's got a fantastic chance to put the bullshit of his outbursts and strangling 'joke' behind him. He'll soon know that that shit doesn't happen at Aston Villa and he'll have Bevington on him to make sure he it doesn't. He wants to be respected and I'm sure he sees the Villa as just the place to earn it. I honestly think the fans will love him next season and he'll love the love. He's a bit needy in that department.
Overall, I think the football will be exciting, we'll start making Villa Park a place we love to go to and teams fear to play. Most importantly, and it will take everything we've got but I do see him as the obvious choice to get us promoted. After that, we can think again but right now he seems the only real choice if we're serious about getting back.
Meat and potatoes? Seasoned well with a few herbs thrown in to bring out the flavour, it's a great dish. Boiled to shit a la Moyes etc, it's just food to keep you alive.
I like the sound of that.
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All I hope is that the board acts decisively on the overwhelming problem of the anger of the supporters. Foolishly to the point of negligence an attitude has become established that the fans are fickle and easily manipulated. I think a strategy of product marketing has been used in the mistaken belief that free flags, scarves, balloons, text messages, e mails, junk mail, deafening match day music and bellowed instructions to get behind the boys in claret and blue are an alternative to the simple fan pleasure of watching entertaining football.
Because I am bored by the predictable rubbish served up by the club and the players at Villa Park I want to see a new manager who is not boring. For all his well documented faults I could accept Pearson if only because Villa Park would be a livelier, more vibrant, less boring place.
I dread the combined boardroom doing a nanny knows best job on the suffering fans and coming up with a Southgate type safe pair of hands.
I long to go back to the days when we walked to the ground thrilled by the prospect of watching a Villa game, even a losing one if we had something to cheer about.
Completely summed up my feelings there Brian.
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I have seen comments regarding Shakespeare and Walsh as the reason for Pearsons relative success, but surely it is the manager that counts.
Ferguson and Mourinho have both had numerous different assistant managers, and coaches and it never affected their success rate.
In an ideal world I agree the manager should have his first choice coaching team with him, but it's not a deal breaker.
I am warming to the idea of Pearson.
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
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I'm surprised you've warmed so much to Pearson, RCF. Don't you think he's a bit of a backwards, beef-and-potatoes manager in the style of a MON?
I've spent far too much time really reading up on potential managers, their signings, budget, results, listening to what fans had to say about them - fuck, as I said, far too much time but the conclusion I drew was that Pearson, as mad as he can be, is a bloody winner. All those hoping he's punch our wasters are in for a disappointment, he does the opposite, he gets players working bloody hard for him. He's not like Moyes or even Hughton, that can be, let's say, defensive. Pearson's teams have a go at the opposition every week, so expect a few 3-2 victories along the way rather than a 1-0 win.
He's got a fantastic chance to put the bullshit of his outbursts and strangling 'joke' behind him. He'll soon know that that shit doesn't happen at Aston Villa and he'll have Bevington on him to make sure he it doesn't. He wants to be respected and I'm sure he sees the Villa as just the place to earn it. I honestly think the fans will love him next season and he'll love the love. He's a bit needy in that department.
Overall, I think the football will be exciting, we'll start making Villa Park a place we love to go to and teams fear to play. Most importantly, and it will take everything we've got but I do see him as the obvious choice to get us promoted. After that, we can think again but right now he seems the only real choice if we're serious about getting back.
Meat and potatoes? Seasoned well with a few herbs thrown in to bring out the flavour, it's a great dish. Boiled to shit a la Moyes etc, it's just food to keep you alive.
I like the sound of that.
Me too.
I don't really care if it's Pearson, as long as he gets us playing some decent football that shows tactical nous, an ability to challenge any opposition and a spirit that lifts players as well as supporters.
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I have 3 big concerns re. Pearson:
1) His bizarre and aggressive personality, as seen last season on several occasions, will the players take to him?
2) Shakespeare and Walsh, his 2 long-time assistants, are still at Leicester
3) If he was that good, why hasn't any other team in the mire over the last 9 months decided to employ him?
Absolutely spot on I wish people would focus on this rather than the fact he may rant and punch a few players. I don't buy the rubbish about championship experience either. This man has nothing to offer us. Get Moyes now
I feel exactly the same about Moyes - does not inspire me at all
Me neither (despite me voting for him ) :)
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I have seen comments regarding Shakespeare and Walsh as the reason for Pearsons relative success, but surely it is the manager that counts.
Ferguson and Mourinho have both had numerous different assistant managers, and coaches and it never affected their success rate.
Didn't Ferguson say that he thought Quieroz leaving was the main factor for their relative decline in the mid-2000s?
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I have seen comments regarding Shakespeare and Walsh as the reason for Pearsons relative success, but surely it is the manager that counts.
Ferguson and Mourinho have both had numerous different assistant managers, and coaches and it never affected their success rate.
Didn't Ferguson say that he thought Quieroz leaving was the main factor for their relative decline in the mid-2000s?
But then he rebuilt the club again with others around him. Ferguson has had a number of coaches and 7 different assistants over his career, and off course good ones make a difference. But like in many jobs good junior employees with ambition want to better themselves and they move on, so the person at the top needs to adapt and find good replacements.
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the only advantages to pearson/powell is that they both know the championship well and they both know what it takes to get promotion.
maybe pearson has taken stock in the last few months? had some counselling?
i certainly haven't seen him shooting his mouth off in the media and i haven't seen him taking credit for leicester's season, like sherwood rushed to do when harry kane came good...
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
yeah i watched it again too and pissed myself laughing , It was brilliant , I am gonna be so gutted now if its not Nigel
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
It might well be though that the journalist in question had been chipping away at him and while he probably should say nothing, sometimes you have to. Garde was only here for a few months and you could tell he was getting pissed off with press conferences and the same questions. Pearson did apologise and besides, calling someone an ostrich is hardly the worst insult in the world.
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
Pearson did apologise and besides, calling someone an ostrich is hardly the worst insult in the world.
Was he punished by the league for it, charged with emulation?
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
Pearson did apologise and besides, calling someone an ostrich is hardly the worst insult in the world.
Was he punished by the league for it, charged with emulation?
No, although he did call the journalists's wife Grotbags.
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
Pearson did apologise and besides, calling someone an ostrich is hardly the worst insult in the world.
Was he punished by the league for it, charged with emulation?
Think he was up before the beak for making a right tit of himself!
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
You know I did the same thing last night. I had started to accept the idea, soften to it, try and find the positives. Then watched that press conference and he just exudes utter, utter arrogance.
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
He might be more suitable for the Austria job.
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
You know I did the same thing last night. I had started to accept the idea, soften to it, try and find the positives. Then watched that press conference and he just exudes utter, utter arrogance.
My guess is Pearson wants to be thought of as a little eccentric/quirky - like Mourinho or Cantona. Unfortunately, he's a little thick and a bit nasty with it.
The biggest problem with Pearson is probably the journalists - they were just getting warmed up with him. Knives will be out.
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I have seen comments regarding Shakespeare and Walsh as the reason for Pearsons relative success, but surely it is the manager that counts.
Ferguson and Mourinho have both had numerous different assistant managers, and coaches and it never affected their success rate.
Didn't Ferguson say that he thought Quieroz leaving was the main factor for their relative decline in the mid-2000s?
But then he rebuilt the club again with others around him. Ferguson has had a number of coaches and 7 different assistants over his career, and off course good ones make a difference. But like in many jobs good junior employees with ambition want to better themselves and they move on, so the person at the top needs to adapt and find good replacements.
Are you really mentioning Nigel Pearson and Alex Ferguson in the same breath ?
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I have seen comments regarding Shakespeare and Walsh as the reason for Pearsons relative success, but surely it is the manager that counts.
Ferguson and Mourinho have both had numerous different assistant managers, and coaches and it never affected their success rate.
Didn't Ferguson say that he thought Quieroz leaving was the main factor for their relative decline in the mid-2000s?
But then he rebuilt the club again with others around him. Ferguson has had a number of coaches and 7 different assistants over his career, and off course good ones make a difference. But like in many jobs good junior employees with ambition want to better themselves and they move on, so the person at the top needs to adapt and find good replacements.
Well yes, but that's not the same as saying that having different coaches didn't affect their success rate.
It did affect it when the ones who weren't as good were brought in.
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
You know I did the same thing last night. I had started to accept the idea, soften to it, try and find the positives. Then watched that press conference and he just exudes utter, utter arrogance.
It's that combined with his touchline assault that bother me about his character. My biggest concern is that his Championship record is hardly remarkable, yes he got Leicester promoted eventually but as others have highlighted that was in amongst a number of seasons without much success. Also if his backroom team were a key part of his success in getting the likes of Kane, Mahrez, Vardy into Leicester then without those won't we just be in the same situation we've been in the past. We hire and manager and then don't have the people behind them who actually helped them achieve any success that they had.
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
yeah i watched it again too and pissed myself laughing , It was brilliant , I am gonna be so gutted now if its not Nigel
I'm with you Conman, and I really don't understand why people are worried after seeing that!
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Part of me thinks that although Walsh and Shakespeare are rightly getting a lot of credit for their Leicester work, I think Pearson will recognise their contribution and look to fill those roles which he clearly can't do himself at Villa. Mahrez and Vardy were bought to the club under Pearson so he obviously has an idea of the kind of player he wants. Whether he can get a tune out of them is the $64,000 question.
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As for his back room staff, he has already worked with Chris Powell apparently so it's not as if they'll be thrown together in a Lambert/Keane type way.
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
You know I did the same thing last night. I had started to accept the idea, soften to it, try and find the positives. Then watched that press conference and he just exudes utter, utter arrogance.
My guess is Pearson wants to be thought of as a little eccentric/quirky - like Mourinho or Cantona. Unfortunately, he's a little thick and a bit nasty with it.
The biggest problem with Pearson is probably the journalists - they were just getting warmed up with him. Knives will be out.
I'm convinced that the monosyllabic, passive aggressive press conferences are because he's trying to abide by the quote often attributed to either Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain.*
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."
*The earliest quotes ascribed to the two esteemed gentlemen first appear in the 30's, long after their deaths. The modern quote stems from a novel by Maurice Switzer. The quote probably originates from The King James Bible, which in turn lifted it from an old Norse Poem.
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If he does come here, Bevington clearly has his work cut out but I found this interesting from Kasper Schmeichel:
'All the praise in the world he deserves,' he said. 'The boss has been immense. He is the best manager I have played under.
'Everyone has got to know that the Nigel Pearson they see and the Nigel Pearson we see are two very different people. He is a charismatic guy. A born leader. He has a great sense of humour and an energy about him that transmits to the lads. He is very infectious with his enthusiasm for football.
'He cares. He cares deeply not just about football but about his players on and off the pitch - how their lives are going. It means a lot to players when you have a manager who cares so deeply about you as an individual and not just as a player.
'I think he should be manager of the year.'
Also this from last season after they managed to stay up:
'It's come from belief, never losing focus, never losing the belief and the energy that we put into games, just keep going, keep working, keep believing in the way we want to play football.
'I liken this run-in to winning the title last season, it's sort of the same thing, You are going into every game needing points, you have to keep picking up points, and we have done that. It's been a great run.'
How we could have done with some of that belief, focus and energy this season.
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If he does come here, Bevington clearly has his work cut out but I found this interesting from Kasper Schmeichel:
'All the praise in the world he deserves,' he said. 'The boss has been immense. He is the best manager I have played under.
'Everyone has got to know that the Nigel Pearson they see and the Nigel Pearson we see are two very different people. He is a charismatic guy. A born leader. He has a great sense of humour and an energy about him that transmits to the lads. He is very infectious with his enthusiasm for football.
'He cares. He cares deeply not just about football but about his players on and off the pitch - how their lives are going. It means a lot to players when you have a manager who cares so deeply about you as an individual and not just as a player.
'I think he should be manager of the year.'
Also this from last season after they managed to stay up:
'It's come from belief, never losing focus, never losing the belief and the energy that we put into games, just keep going, keep working, keep believing in the way we want to play football.
'I liken this run-in to winning the title last season, it's sort of the same thing, You are going into every game needing points, you have to keep picking up points, and we have done that. It's been a great run.'
How we could have done with some of that belief, focus and energy this season.
And yet despite this managerial genius, they chose to bin him.
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I've watched both interviews again and I can't see the problem to be honest. A little arrogant maybe? I don't mind that, we have had Mr nice guy since MON left and that hasn't helped the cause.
The assault on the sideline was very worrying and with that on top of the interviews you can see maybe the pressure finally got hold of him. That was a very mad moment, a proper Eric Cantana moment. Would I rule out Eric playing for us because of that...probably I would.
But what moments of magic might you miss because of a cautious and safe approach?
These slightly unhinged characters in the world of music, film or sport can quite often bring you excitement and successs.
You know what maybe a loose canon is what we need?
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If he does come here, Bevington clearly has his work cut out but I found this interesting from Kasper Schmeichel:
'All the praise in the world he deserves,' he said. 'The boss has been immense. He is the best manager I have played under.
'Everyone has got to know that the Nigel Pearson they see and the Nigel Pearson we see are two very different people. He is a charismatic guy. A born leader. He has a great sense of humour and an energy about him that transmits to the lads. He is very infectious with his enthusiasm for football.
'He cares. He cares deeply not just about football but about his players on and off the pitch - how their lives are going. It means a lot to players when you have a manager who cares so deeply about you as an individual and not just as a player.
'I think he should be manager of the year.'
Also this from last season after they managed to stay up:
'It's come from belief, never losing focus, never losing the belief and the energy that we put into games, just keep going, keep working, keep believing in the way we want to play football.
'I liken this run-in to winning the title last season, it's sort of the same thing, You are going into every game needing points, you have to keep picking up points, and we have done that. It's been a great run.'
How we could have done with some of that belief, focus and energy this season.
Exactly what we need and have been missing since Martin O'Nearly. We need a strong personality to galvanise the club and not bow to the press or anybody else, to give us pride and belief, both players and fans. That is the recipe for success.
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Wasn't sherwood those things?
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Wasn't sherwood those things?
Initially he was but seem to completely lose interest. Plus tactically Sherwood was a complete shambles. Whilst Pearson isn't exactly a genius, he's got more nous than Timmeh.
One key thing though, is that we need some unity between management and board now. It can't be us against them. Lambert felt at odds with the board and that was clear while he was in the job. The same thing happened with Sherwood and then particularly so with Garde. We can't be airing dirty laundry in public. Once a manager is fired they can spout off all they like. That said I hope the new board we have in place will give future managers less reason to.
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
He might be more suitable for the Austria job.
I've just watched it now and I was tittering at the line " you are either very very silly or you are extremely stupid" What's the difference??
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Well if it is to be Pearson so be it. Just get tomorrow out of the way and get on with it. I don't think I can take another Eric Black team selection.
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
He might be more suitable for the Austria job.
I've just watched it now and I was tittering at the line " you are either very very silly or you are extremely stupid" What's the difference??
Silly is Benny Hill, whereas stupid is Little & Large.
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I was starting to warm to the idea of Pearson, but then I just watched his 'ostrich' press conference again, and I don't want that arsehole anywhere near our club.
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He might be more suitable for the Austria job.
I've just watched it now and I was tittering at the line " you are either very very silly or you are extremely stupid" What's the difference??
Silly is Sasa Curcic, stupid is flabby Onegoalayear
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Well it seems that anyone could turn up as our next manager. .there doesn't seem to be any well informed 'leaks'..The press conjecture is purely conjecture. We could be pleasantly suprised or totally underwhelmed. We just have to sit and wait while we continue to be a bloody laughing stock.
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Pearson strikes me as being an obnoxious prick, we have enough of them around the place right now.
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Pearson strikes me as being an obnoxious prick, we have enough of them around the place right now.
He going to fit in then.
And he might just be, looking at it in black and white, the best attainable choice.
Oh dear...
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Pearson strikes me as being an obnoxious prick, we have enough of them around the place right now.
Sums it up well for me. The argument that we have a lot of gobshites in the squad and therefore we need a gobshite manager to keep them in line is a fatally flawed one.
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Pearson strikes me as being an obnoxious prick, we have enough of them around the place right now.
yes but forget the forum for now , the nice methods of the 4 or 5 previous managers has not worked , the players have taken the piss out the club and out of us , this is what we need on the touchline during matches , and in the dressing room , and at bodymoor heath
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Ok, so when the naughty players have been spanked and kicked out of the club, who else is there for Pearson to spank? We need a Manager for the short, medium and long term. Not just someone to tell people off, but someone capable of getting us back in the top 8 of the Premiership. That ain't Pearson.
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Ok, so when the naughty players have been spanked and kicked out of the club, who else is there for Pearson to spank? We need a Manager for the short, medium and long term. Not just someone to tell people off, but someone capable of getting us back in the top 8 of the Premiership. That ain't Pearson.
we cant kick all the players out the club , or sell all of them , yes we need a good clear out , but sadly a large part of this seasons squad will still be with us next season , I believe Nigel is the best man to sort them out and get the best out of them and the one capable of getting us back in the prem at the first attempt
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
It was 2 and a half-seasons. The first of which (2011-12) he joined roughly half way through the season. The second season (2012-13) Leicester lost in the play-offs and missed a last-minute penalty which would have took them through to the final. And the third season (2013-14) they won the Championship. Not quite 3 out of 4 barren years.
And you're not counting 2009/10 because...?
And adding "roughly" still doesn't make November anything like halfway through the season.
because that was in his first spell and not his second spell.
Okay, a third of the season. I was 6 weeks out. That's roughly enough.
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And clearly there ain't going to be a perfect match because of our condition/ Position. Looking at the realistic candidates is he the front runner now?
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We need the new manager in asap. Hopefully once our fate is mathematically sealed tomorrow they will name him then. Whoever gets it needs to get in amongst our shower of shit sooner to decide who if any of them he should keep. Personally I think Moyes would be the best choice.
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Ok, so when the naughty players have been spanked and kicked out of the club, who else is there for Pearson to spank? We need a Manager for the short, medium and long term. Not just someone to tell people off, but someone capable of getting us back in the top 8 of the Premiership. That ain't Pearson.
Top eight of the Premier League?! We're going down with three wins!
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Ok, so when the naughty players have been spanked and kicked out of the club, who else is there for Pearson to spank? We need a Manager for the short, medium and long term. Not just someone to tell people off, but someone capable of getting us back in the top 8 of the Premiership. That ain't Pearson.
Top eight of the Premier League?! We're going down with three wins!
exactly mate , FFS , some people need a reality check , top 8 of the prem is history , we can only dream about bottom 6 of the prem now
one step at a time ,,,,,,,,,jesus christ , lets see if we can find a manager to get us promotion first
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I still want Moyes, but I think that is unlikely without offering him the keys to a vault that is empty.
Beyond Moyes, looking at Brighton and his past record Hughton would be my next choice, but I think he is happy at Brighton and knows he has a good thing going there, so is very unlikely.
Burnley if they don't come up I reckon Dyche would take it like a shot and be 3rd choice, the problem with all 3 of these is that it will be after the play off results until one shows their hand. Moyes will sit it out till mid summer I reckon, maybe even start of next season for a premiership job. We need someone in ideally as soon as that R goes up tomorrow.
Black is talking about anarchy in the changing room and not being motivated. A new man has to hit the ground sprinting this summer to sort out what is going on. If the board have decided Pearson is the man, then lets get him in on Monday and give him a month to look at it, to get his backroom team sorted while it doesn't matter and to kick some of them up the arse going into the summer, but also to identify targets to help us back up.
I worry the longer we leave it, unless we know behind the scenes the new man will definitely come, it could drag on through into a time when planning and prep needs to be done. There is no certainty a manager with a decent reputation in a job will look at us and think - yeah I want that mess on my CV. We might well be in a boat where Pearson is the option with the best track record.
We need to get up within 2 seasons. Pearson I think will probably achieve that judging on his record. Certainly get us into the top 6 and give us a shot. Would prefer others, but if the board have sounded agents etc out and not had encouragement, he is the best of poor box to chose from. Eric Black looks like a man completely lost. I want to see any sort of signs of life before the season closes. Preferably with a win over Newcastle to relegate them!
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Get the inevitable out the way this weekend and then it's a good time for a manager to come in - he's got a bonus mini pre-season to evaluate and then we can get a fast start in the summer. We can't afford to be dicking about until July.
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
It was 2 and a half-seasons. The first of which (2011-12) he joined roughly half way through the season. The second season (2012-13) Leicester lost in the play-offs and missed a last-minute penalty which would have took them through to the final. And the third season (2013-14) they won the Championship. Not quite 3 out of 4 barren years.
And you're not counting 2009/10 because...?
And adding "roughly" still doesn't make November anything like halfway through the season.
because that was in his first spell and not his second spell.
Okay, a third of the season. I was 6 weeks out. That's roughly enough.
Why does which "spell" it was matter? I just said that he had four seasons in the Championship, failing to get them promoted for the first three.
Which is correct.
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
It was 2 and a half-seasons. The first of which (2011-12) he joined roughly half way through the season. The second season (2012-13) Leicester lost in the play-offs and missed a last-minute penalty which would have took them through to the final. And the third season (2013-14) they won the Championship. Not quite 3 out of 4 barren years.
And you're not counting 2009/10 because...?
And adding "roughly" still doesn't make November anything like halfway through the season.
because that was in his first spell and not his second spell.
Okay, a third of the season. I was 6 weeks out. That's roughly enough.
Why does which "spell" it was matter? I just said that he had four seasons in the Championship with them, failing to get them promoted for the first three.
Which is correct.
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His record seems good to me.
Keeps Carlisle up in the most dramatic of fashions.
In his next job he does likewise with Southampton.
He gets Leicester promoted as Champions of the Third Division in his first season and finishes 5th in their first season back in the Championship. He is effectively forced out by Mandaric.
Finishes 11th with Hull, but lays ground work there so that they're in the play offs when he leaves.
Takes over at Leicester part way through and finishes 9th. They miss out in the play off semi finals the following year in very exciting fashion, before blowing the league away the next and keeping Leicester in the league the year after
Yes that was on the basis of a good run but they were a million times more competitive than we were. Anyone who was there for the 1-0 defeat on 10th Jan 2015 wouldn't have complained the result as being unfair if they'd put 6 past us. Prior to their up turn they'd lost by the odd goal and got good points at places like Goodison.
I think he's got a good record myself.
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The season Leicester missed out on the playoffs, as Ads mentions above, I watched a short documentary on them and I must admit Pearson came over as quite calm and collected but mainly focused on the task in hand.
It may have only been a small programme on sky but they showed you around the club and spoke to some of the players but Pearson was in the spotlight for quite a bit of the programme and he showed the cameras around the training ground and his office etc and talked about what the plan was and where Leicester wanted to be the following season (not in the playoffs but promoted as champions) he also spoke about reducing the squad size to a more manageable amount of players. He must have done what he needed to do as they pissed the division the following season and came up as champions.
I haven't voted for him, I would like Moyes, but if it's him over a Bruce/McCarthy type then I would have him.
The concern is at Leicester he had his own back room staff, Sherwood never got his own team, well Chris Ramsey anyway, and neither did Garde. I'm not saying not having your chosen assistants with you equals immediate failure but if you look back at MON and Houliier they at least had there own coaching teams in place when managing us and they gave us the last decent leagues finishes the club has had.
I think if you want a manger then he needs his own coaching team to come too, it's a package these days not just about one man.
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I would like to think that the pain will start to subside after today but the impression emanating from the boardroom seems to be one of taking whatever time it takes. That in turn carries the risk of there not being sufficient time in the close season to address our systemic failings. That implies a less than electrifying start to next season and to quote another poster it will all kick off again in the crowd if we are held to 0-0 at home to Burton Albion.
Bearing all that in mind and my overwhelming wish to be entertained at Villa Park rather than angered I can go with Pearson because the shock and awe of him walking into the dressing room will be instant.
Will we get Pearson though? Bearing in mind the personalities of the board a Hodgson type appointment looks on the cards. A less French Remi Garde is my bet.
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Who do you think the board are thinking of Brian? I do think if Roy wasn't in a job then he would be the number 1 contender for it.
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Who do you think the board are thinking of Brian? I do think if Roy wasn't in a job then he would be the number 1 contender for it.
Could easily happen after the Euros...
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The season Leicester missed out on the playoffs, as Ads mentions above, I watched a short documentary on them and I must admit Pearson came over as quite calm and collected but mainly focused on the task in hand.
It may have only been a small programme on sky but they showed you around the club and spoke to some of the players but Pearson was in the spotlight for quite a bit of the programme and he showed the cameras around the training ground and his office etc and talked about what the plan was and where Leicester wanted to be the following season (not in the playoffs but promoted as champions) he also spoke about reducing the squad size to a more manageable amount of players. He must have done what he needed to do as they pissed the division the following season and came up as champions.
I haven't voted for him, I would like Moyes, but if it's him over a Bruce/McCarthy type then I would have him.
The concern is at Leicester he had his own back room staff, Sherwood never got his own team, well Chris Ramsey anyway, and neither did Garde. I'm not saying not having your chosen assistants with you equals immediate failure but if you look back at MON and Houliier they at least had there own coaching teams in place when managing us and they gave us the last decent leagues finishes the club has had.
I think if you want a manger then he needs his own coaching team to come too, it's a package these days not just about one man.
A manager does need to have his own coaches but they do not necessarily always have to be the same people from previous jobs. As long as it is men that he trusts rather than having them imposed on him then I don't see an issue.
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What I think will happen as opposed to what I want to happen?
Moyes remains my preferred choice with Pearson as a long overdue laxative as an alternative. What I think will happen is Eric Black going through the role play until after the Euros when it will be Hodgson or Southgate at which point I shall decide whether I am going to buy just one ST for me or four for my sons, grandson and me. The ball is very much in the board's court.
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we cant kick all the players out the club , or sell all of them , yes we need a good clear out , but sadly a large part of this seasons squad will still be with us next season , I believe Nigel is the best man to sort them out and get the best out of them and the one capable of getting us back in the prem at the first attempt
" we can't kick all the players out ..." I bet we'll end up offloading 10 or so of the current squad.
"I believe Nigel..." You're not his agent, are you?!
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If it's not Moyes, then I want Pearson.
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What I think will happen as opposed to what I want to happen?
Moyes remains my preferred choice with Pearson as a long overdue laxative as an alternative. What I think will happen is Eric Black going through the role play until after the Euros when it will be Hodgson or Southgate at which point I shall decide whether I am going to buy just one ST for me or four for my sons, grandson and me. The ball is very much in the board's court.
my intuition tells me that an appointment will be made well before that; perhaps even in the next three or so weeks. My reasoning? - if Sir Brian is indeed leaving his temporary post as Board advisor at the end of the season I think he'd only do so with a new manager in role.
Given all that I've read and heard, my main concern with Pearson is why he has not been in a job for the last 9-10 months. If he is as good as his advocates say, he'd have surely been swept up by a PL or Championship club before now ....
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What I think will happen as opposed to what I want to happen?
Moyes remains my preferred choice with Pearson as a long overdue laxative as an alternative. What I think will happen is Eric Black going through the role play until after the Euros when it will be Hodgson or Southgate at which point I shall decide whether I am going to buy just one ST for me or four for my sons, grandson and me. The ball is very much in the board's court.
That is the worry, that we dither. However, after managing England I cannot see Hodgson having much interest in managing in the Championship.
My slight hope is based on the thought that so far Hollis has been fairly bold and decisive in his decision making and we see that is mirrored when it comes to finding a manager.
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Is Chris Hughton an option? If Brighton don't go up, wouldn't he jump at the chance if managing us? How would people feel about him?
His main advantage over Pearson is that he's managed (sucessfully) at a much bigger club than Pearson has. In fact one in an almost identical situation to the one we find ourselves in. He could cope with the pressure of being at a club that doesn't belong down there.
Plus he doesn't come with the same, well let's be polite and call it, 'baggage'. In fact, he seems like a man I would be proud to have manage us.
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Get the inevitable out the way this weekend and then it's a good time for a manager to come in - he's got a bonus mini pre-season to evaluate and then we can get a fast start in the summer. We can't afford to be dicking about until July.
It's a tough one for them. Reading black's comments about player anarchy you wonder if they'd rather avoid exposing the new guy to all that. But then they might miss out on a preferred target.
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Get the inevitable out the way this weekend and then it's a good time for a manager to come in - he's got a bonus mini pre-season to evaluate and then we can get a fast start in the summer. We can't afford to be dicking about until July.
It's a tough one for them. Reading black's comments about player anarchy you wonder if they'd rather avoid exposing the new guy to all that. But then they might miss out on a preferred target.
The new manager does not have to take charge of the squad, though, until after the season end.
Bring them in with a watching brief and allow a coach to take day to day charge. Then, wield the axe at the season-end.
Simples.
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
It was 2 and a half-seasons. The first of which (2011-12) he joined roughly half way through the season. The second season (2012-13) Leicester lost in the play-offs and missed a last-minute penalty which would have took them through to the final. And the third season (2013-14) they won the Championship. Not quite 3 out of 4 barren years.
And you're not counting 2009/10 because...?
And adding "roughly" still doesn't make November anything like halfway through the season.
because that was in his first spell and not his second spell.
Okay, a third of the season. I was 6 weeks out. That's roughly enough.
Why does which "spell" it was matter? I just said that he had four seasons in the Championship, failing to get them promoted for the first three.
Which is correct.
Fair enough But that is then a little harsh and misleading. Wasn't his first season with Leicester in League One? So your first criticism is that he failed to take Leicester to back-to-back promotions? In his first season in the Championship his team lost on pens in the play-offs.
So in his 3 full seasons as Leicester manager in the Championship he lost in the play-offs twice, once on penalties and once because of a last minute penalty, and the other season Leicester were Champions. The season where he was recruited after something like 17 games Leicester were up and down.
So on his time at Leicester I don't see the failure that you're seeing.
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Pearson will start monday.
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Pearson will start monday.
And will be tearing his hair/Gabby's entrails out by Tuesday.
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Gabby will be shitting his pants.
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How about Stuart Pearce and Gareth Southgate both in charge. Meets the criteria of being English, well connected to Bernstein.
Southgate has the knowledge of how our club operates, which IMO is almost a fundamental requirement for the next manager, having been captain and Pearce has got the fire, good combo I been thinking. Both were fully committed as players for club & country, something for some of our 'pro' players to learn from.
They might be defensive but this can be countered by the fact we got Traore,Green,Grealish,Ayew(hopefully) to create
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Gabby will be shitting his pants.
Massive pants required
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Pearson will start monday.
And will be tearing his hair/Gabby's entrails out by Tuesday.
He'll be making love quite soon after that though if he follows the script.
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Pearson will start monday.
We could end up sacking three managers in one season.
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In a market of over £17k, a lot of people think this is definitely happening.
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Pearson will start monday.
We could end up sacking three managers in one season.
Resigned to it now. Starting to try and see the positives. At least if it is, he has a month to look at them and see if he can motivate a performance out of some of them!
Also every Blues or Albion fan I know hopes we don't get him as they think he will bring us straight back up.
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How about Stuart Pearce and Gareth Southgate both in charge. Meets the criteria of being English, well connected to Bernstein.
Southgate has the knowledge of how our club operates, which IMO is almost a fundamental requirement for the next manager, having been captain and Pearce has got the fire, good combo I been thinking. Both were fully committed as players for club & country, something for some of our 'pro' players to learn from.
They might be defensive but this can be countered by the fact we got Traore,Green,Grealish,Ayew(hopefully) to create
Two failed league managers, no thanks.
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Stuart Pearce would be almost the worst possible choice.
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Edit: clumsy thumbs
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Pearce at Man. City was just Sherwood back in the day.
Lots of passion and effort early doors which rouse the players but as we've seen when that quickly wares off that's little other substance or coaching ability.
Wouldn't want Southgate either, been out of club management a while now and thought he did poor at Boro.
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I don't like or want Pearson, however surely even someone as seemingly thick and arrogant as him knows he will be on very thin ice with the media and therefore 'check himself before he wrecks himself'? If he comes across like a c**t again he simply won't get employed at anywhere near this level. Surely even he knows that?... Surely?!
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He only starting saying those stupid things when they were in the prem, just remember him being just another manager down there before they got promoted.
Although I suppose his card has been marked now by those in the media.
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Pearson will start monday.
In which case, I would have thought he would be at the game today. Interesting to see if he is there.
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Stuart Pearce would be almost the worst possible choice.
Indeed.
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I watched that mission survive show. Pearce is unbelievably thick. Not just a little bit dense, but full on stupid.
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Pearson will start monday.
Those are words I hoped I would never see. How a club on it's arse even consider letting this clownshoes take the reigns of the Aston Villa team is beyond me. He's a petulant, childish bully, he already has previous with the press which puts him on the backfoot should things not start off well and he told his own Leicester supporters to "fuck off and die" during a match. He's an idiot.
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He is an idiot. And a bully. And a tosser. All of those things.
But I would happily swap the squad he put together at Leicester for the one we have here.
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Mind you for all Pearson's faults of he takes over, wins games and gets us promoted they'll all be forgotten.
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Pearson will start monday.
Those are words I hoped I would never see. How a club on it's arse even consider letting this clownshoes take the reigns of the Aston Villa team is beyond me. He's a petulant, childish bully, he already has previous with the press which puts him on the backfoot should things not start off well and he told his own Leicester supporters to "fuck off and die" during a match. He's an idiot.
He said that to "one" supporter. And on the back of getting horrendous personal and public abuse from him for an extended period of time. Not that I am condoning the specific language used by Pearson but you or I wouldn't have stood for it. What he was being called was out of order as was the response, but if you want Leicester "fans" opinions of him visit their forums to see how highly thought of he was there.
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Watch the 'fuck off and die' video on YouTube and tell me you wouldn't have reacted the same way. It's disgusting vitriolic abuse by one numbskull and Pearson, as any human being would do, reacts. It's not like he dragged the bloke out the crowd and have him a good shoeing.
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Quite simply I've got to the stage where I really couldn't care less what sort of person is in charge. If he gets us winning, playing football and back up then that's all that matters for me now, even if the board and owner are largely responsible for this mess.
I liked Garde, Lambert, Sherwood etc etc etc etc but after 5-6 years of watching the club die on it's arse I'd gladly take an idiot that gets results rather then a likeable manager that doesn't.
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So be it. Ron Saunders was always a miserable git. If Pearson has any of that sort of success......
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Watch the 'fuck off and die' video on YouTube and tell me you wouldn't have reacted the same way. It's disgusting vitriolic abuse by one numbskull and Pearson, as any human being would do, reacts. It's not like he dragged the bloke out the crowd and have him a good shoeing.
Are you his Agent?
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#madnessinhiseyes.
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Quite simply I've got to the stage where I really couldn't care less what sort of person is in charge. If he gets us winning, playing football and back up then that's all that matters for me now, even if the board and owner are largely responsible for this mess.
I liked Garde, Lambert, Sherwood etc etc etc etc but after 5-6 years of watching the club die on it's arse I'd gladly take an idiot that gets results rather then a likeable manager that doesn't.
Same here. And having been ok with previous appointments, I am happy to accept my misgivings might well be wrong and just hope he does well. He doesn't play Pulis football and has a decent if not stellar record in the division we are going into. Only Hughton in recent times is better really. Bruce seems to be too defensive, Pearson is not that at least.
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Whatever happens we need a manager in asap because we at least need a leader at the club even for the last few games. Black isn't up to it and his "anarchy" comments make him look weak and pathetic. I really don't know what he was trying to achieve with those comments.
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Spot on SH.
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Whatever happens we need a manager in asap because we at least need a leader at the club even for the last few games. Black isn't up to it and his "anarchy" comments make him look weak and pathetic. I really don't know what he was trying to achieve with those comments.
You would think he knows that he isn't going to be in the job much longer.
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How about Stuart Pearce and Gareth Southgate both in charge. Meets the criteria of being English, well connected to Bernstein.
Southgate has the knowledge of how our club operates, which IMO is almost a fundamental requirement for the next manager, having been captain and Pearce has got the fire, good combo I been thinking. Both were fully committed as players for club & country, something for some of our 'pro' players to learn from.
They might be defensive but this can be countered by the fact we got Traore,Green,Grealish,Ayew(hopefully) to create
Two failed league managers, no thanks.
It's like gathering the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse.
We're missing 2.
How about Curbishley and Bruce to complete the set.
Bruce will of course slow down progress as only a shire horse can carry him instead of the the speedy steeds of his companions.
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Whatever happens we need a manager in asap because we at least need a leader at the club even for the last few games. Black isn't up to it and his "anarchy" comments make him look weak and pathetic. I really don't know what he was trying to achieve with those comments.
Agreed - he should drop those who are really behind the obvious mutiny, play whoever's left plus some of the kids, and be damned.
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The more time goes on the more I want Pearson...yes he has had some bad gaffs but did a super job at Leicester and that, ultimately,is what really matters
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There are those that are going to completely dislike him. And for some that might never change. That's fine. Ultimately for me if it is him he will only win the majority of people over by his conduct as our manager and far above all else results. If we address the issues behind the scenes, start winning games playing good football, off the field issues start to dissipate very quickly. Nobody will care about the managers past indiscretions, the board composition or the sharpness of the claws on the club badge.
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Quite simply I've got to the stage where I really couldn't care less what sort of person is in charge. If he gets us winning, playing football and back up then that's all that matters for me now, even if the board and owner are largely responsible for this mess.
I liked Garde, Lambert, Sherwood etc etc etc etc but after 5-6 years of watching the club die on it's arse I'd gladly take an idiot that gets results rather then a likeable manager that doesn't.
Same here.
I'm coming round to the idea too. I watched the ostrich press conference again. He's not as stupid as I thought he was. He has a problem with his temper that I can identify with. Post match press conferences must be the most annoying thing in the world when you've lost. He wants to tell the journalist to f**k off but knows he can't so gets tied up in knots.
This comment from the FOAD YouTube video sums it up for me:
I've been a leicester season ticket holder for 12 years. I, along with all the real fans are fully behind pearson, even when we were losing every week because we always had fight and spirit. Telling a man, who took us up from league 1 and the championship that he is a disgrace is fucking unbelievable. Please go and support man u.
What I wouldn't give for a bit of fight and spirit.
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It's a shame that as a set of fans where we crave fight and spirit above everything at the moment.
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Whatever happens we need a manager in asap because we at least need a leader at the club even for the last few games. Black isn't up to it and his "anarchy" comments make him look weak and pathetic. I really don't know what he was trying to achieve with those comments.
Give a clear message to anyone coming through the door that there's a squad full of ****** and wankers to deal with.
That after 3 months of coaching or managing them he'd quite cheerfully give them the full Nigel Pearson.
That he knows he's out of the door in 4 weeks and he really can't be arsed doing the usual managerial bollocks of eating shit and defending the indefensible.
Maybe he's just the warm up act for Nigel "takes no shit, you f##king ostrich" Pearson.
How does publicly calling our that bunch of wankers that defile Villa Park and Bodymoor Heath, who usually hide behind a security blanket provided by the manager thus removing their protection from direct accountability make him weak?
Why is letting the fans know, that what we've long suspected is in fact true, pathetic?
The only thing missing was a jibe about Black being the cheap option.
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If he purges the losing mentality in the dressing room and starts winning I will swallow all the ostrich eggs. He can tell me to fuck off and die if he likes. I will probably do the latter anyway but not the former.
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If he purges the losing mentality in the dressing room and starts winning I will swallow all the ostrich eggs. He can tell me to fuck off and die if he likes. I will probably do the latter anyway but not the former.
I agree. I'm sick of all the losers at Villa since 2010, and if Pearson comes in and turns us into a team that actually wins games and get us up at the first attempt he can slag off whoever he likes. It's fine by me.
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Whatever happens we need a manager in asap because we at least need a leader at the club even for the last few games. Black isn't up to it and his "anarchy" comments make him look weak and pathetic. I really don't know what he was trying to achieve with those comments.
Give a clear message to anyone coming through the door that there's a squad full of c***s and wankers to deal with.
That after 3 months of coaching or managing them he'd quite cheerfully give them the full Nigel Pearson.
That he knows he's out of the door in 4 weeks and he really can't be arsed doing the usual managerial bollocks of eating shit and defending the indefensible.
Maybe he's just the warm up act for Nigel "takes no shit, you f##king ostrich" Pearson.
How does publicly calling our that bunch of wankers that defile Villa Park and Bodymoor Heath, who usually hide behind a security blanket provided by the manager thus removing their protection from direct accountability make him weak?
Why is letting the fans know, that what we've long suspected is in fact true, pathetic?
The only thing missing was a jibe about Black being the cheap option.
Absolutely spot on min venn. Posted elsewhere that blaming EB is like blaming the emergency services for an earthquake. The season's long gone, we're down and fucked royally. Let's get some sunshine into the wound and excise the pus and rotting tissue that got us here. I really don't want to hear "We go again" and such-like ever again. Credit to EB for shedding some light, and I hope there's more to come.
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My biggest reservation about Pearson is that he can be divisive and more than anything we need unity.
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My biggest reservation about Pearson is that he can be divisive and more than anything we need unity.
Dave, but was he divisive with his players? For me that's a bigger issue than if he creates division with the supporters.
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My biggest reservation about Pearson is that he can be divisive and more than anything we need unity.
Dave, but was he divisive with his players? For me that's a bigger issue than if he creates division with the supporters.
I've always believed that to be successful you have to have everyone on the same side. That more than anything was the feeling that ran through our last second division promotion.
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My biggest reservation about Pearson is that he can be divisive and more than anything we need unity.
Dave, but was he divisive with his players? For me that's a bigger issue than if he creates division with the supporters.
I've always believed that to be successful you have to have everyone on the same side. That more than anything was the feeling that ran through our last second division promotion.
In which case the attitude of the owner and funds provider will be equally as important.
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My reservation is that Pearson is an unhinged bully and by accepting his appointment you are willing to forsake principles.
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My biggest reservation about Pearson is that he can be divisive and more than anything we need unity.
Dave, but was he divisive with his players? For me that's a bigger issue than if he creates division with the supporters.
I've always believed that to be successful you have to have everyone on the same side. That more than anything was the feeling that ran through our last second division promotion.
Not disagreeing but in my opinion, if he gets the squad working together and for the good of the club, results will follow and fans will get on board. We are just so disenchanted with all of the nonsense that not only has affected how we operate as a club but ultimately how it has detracted from what we exist to do; to win games and have fun. It's not fun anymore. If the board do their thing and Pearson mobilizes a winning side that works hard for each other he will bring the supporters along with him. But it won't happen at the same time and it won't happen immediately . There's a lot of work and healing ahead of us.
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Can anyone tell me what makes Pearson's record any better than Lambert's prior to him getting the job?
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The mandate is to get us promoted back to the Premier League and quick, for that reason the more I think about it the more I think he's the best man for the job.
His Leicester were unstoppable in their promotion season, they walked it.
Let's hope he does it a bit quicker then than the four years it took him with Leicester. Three of which were when they were the richest club in the league.
It was 2 and a half-seasons. The first of which (2011-12) he joined roughly half way through the season. The second season (2012-13) Leicester lost in the play-offs and missed a last-minute penalty which would have took them through to the final. And the third season (2013-14) they won the Championship. Not quite 3 out of 4 barren years.
And you're not counting 2009/10 because...?
And adding "roughly" still doesn't make November anything like halfway through the season.
because that was in his first spell and not his second spell.
Okay, a third of the season. I was 6 weeks out. That's roughly enough.
Why does which "spell" it was matter? I just said that he had four seasons in the Championship, failing to get them promoted for the first three.
Which is correct.
Fair enough But that is then a little harsh and misleading. Wasn't his first season with Leicester in League One? So your first criticism is that he failed to take Leicester to back-to-back promotions? In his first season in the Championship his team lost on pens in the play-offs.
So in his 3 full seasons as Leicester manager in the Championship he lost in the play-offs twice, once on penalties and once because of a last minute penalty, and the other season Leicester were Champions. The season where he was recruited after something like 17 games Leicester were up and down.
So on his time at Leicester I don't see the failure that you're seeing.
I'm not seeing failure and nowhere have I said so. I'm seeing a record bang in line with all the other managers who are going to spend their careers hanging around the top ten in the Championship and bottom six of the Premier League. Him, Bruce, McCarthy, Hughton, Warnock etc. They've all got high-points that they can show and a whole lot of "if only that had gone in then it might all have been different".
What I'm not seeing is the record of "the only man who knows what we need to get out of the Championship" at some have suggested. If we hire Pearson then it's not a mouth-open, "how could they possibly be so stupid" decision like the Sherwood one was. It's a roll of the dice of the managers who are likely to be around the Championship play-off places. It also doesn't really sit well with me that a lot of the justification for his appointment from some quarters seems to more about taking revenge on our current team rather than whether he's actually likely to make us any good or not.
Incidentally, as for holding "failing to get back-to-back promotions" against him, we had a rubbish manager 15 months ago who did manage to get back-to-back promotions at around the same time. So Pearson's achievements are unequivocally less impressive than the bloke who we were desperate to be rid of for much of his time with us.
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Can anyone tell me what makes Pearson's record any better than Lambert's prior to him getting the job?
I suppose the difference is that he'd be taking over a team in the Championship and not the PL.
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My biggest reservation about Pearson is that he can be divisive and more than anything we need unity.
Dave, but was he divisive with his players? For me that's a bigger issue than if he creates division with the supporters.
I've always believed that to be successful you have to have everyone on the same side. That more than anything was the feeling that ran through our last second division promotion.
Not disagreeing but in my opinion, if he gets the squad working together and for the good of the club, results will follow and fans will get on board. We are just so disenchanted with all of the nonsense that not only has affected how we operate as a club but ultimately how it has detracted from what we exist to do; to win games and have fun. It's not fun anymore. If the board do their thing and Pearson mobilizes a winning side that works hard for each other he will bring the supporters along with him. But it won't happen at the same time and it won't happen immediately . There's a lot of work and healing ahead of us.
I see all that but I do wonder what would happen if we had the same sort of start Sir Graham's team had - when we were bottom three after three games. He could get round it because everyone was behind him and he had the sort of backing Pearson wouldn't get.
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I think whoever comes in can unify the fans very quickly next season with 2-3 easy moves. Getting shut of 3-4 players that the fans have grown to despise will help. Winning a couple of games early doors and having the side on the pitch show some fight and spirit.
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And starting the season off with a thumping 4-0 victory at home.
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It's the type of appointment Olbiyun or Hull would make, so for that reason, I'm out.
I know our status has taken a battering over the past few years, but we can do better than that surely.
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I was talking to a colleague yesterday - a Boggie - who raved about Pearson during his time as caretaker there. Then again, he rates Tiny Penis so I'm not filled with joy about his opinion.
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May have been posted already ...
WinnerSports website (http://www.winnersports.co.uk/nigel-pearson-set-appointed-aston-villa-fc-manager-20399) claims the deal is done with Big Bad Nige, with Chris Powell set to be his Coach.
Aston Villa are set to appoint former Leicester City boss Nigel Pearson as their new manager
Aston Villa’s current Premier League campaign can be construed as nothing short of an absolute debacle and it seems all but certain that the Villans will be suffering the ignominy of relegation within the next few weeks.Given their current state, many are not optimistic that Villa will immediately be able to win promotion back into the Premier League and the upcoming years could be tough for the famous English club. That being said, Villa’s size and history means that a number of high profile managers are keen on taking up the challenge at Villa Park next season and it will be imperative that the club hierarchy get the next appointment spot on following struggles under Alex McLeish, Gerard Houllier, Paul Lambert, Tim Sherwood and Remi Garde. Among the numerous names linked with the post at Villa, it can now be revealed that the owners have identified former Leicester City boss Nigel Pearson as the ideal candidate to take over the reins in the summer.Pearson left Leicester under acrimonious circumstances due to the actions of his son but the 52-year old remains one of the most highly regarded managers around in England at the moment.After a yearlong sabbatical, Pearson is now ready to return to management and the Leicester boss is set to be placed in the hot seat at Villa Park – with Chris Powell being installed as his number two.
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May have been posted already ...
This website (http://http://www.winnersports.co.uk/nigel-pearson-set-appointed-aston-villa-fc-manager-20399) claims the deal is done with Big Bad Nige, with Chris Powell set to be his Coach.
Your link doesn't work
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And if they're mentioning Powell as number 2, they are only repeating what has been in the more respectable papers (which makes me think there is something in this, sadly).
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Booooooooo. Mr E out! It's time we gave Mr F a chance to bring his own links in. We'll never attract the Mr Ps, Js and Qs of this world but I can't bear to see this once great site sink so low. At least Mr F's links will do a shift and take us to a real website. That's all we need right now, a bit of pride.
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I've got to the stage now where I am totally undecided who I want our next manager to be. Originally I wanted Moyes but I suppose the biggest factor will be who actually wants the job. We are a fuckin mess and I don't care who comes in now as long as they can sort out the playing side. Perhaps Pearson would make a good choice..perhaps he has learnt from his mistakes. I am at the point now where I don't care who he would upset or threaten as long as he can deliver a decent team.
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Booooooooo. Mr E out! It's time we gave Mr F a chance to bring his own links in. We'll never attract the Mr Ps, Js and Qs of this world but I can't bear to see this once great site sink so low. At least Mr F's links will do a shift and take us to a real website. That's all we need right now, a bit of pride.
Ha, ha.
Not good on the iPad on this site (well, that's my excuse).
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Mister E's link: http://www.winnersports.co.uk/nigel-pearson-set-appointed-aston-villa-fc-manager-20399
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Booooooooo. Mr E out! It's time we gave Mr F a chance to bring his own links in. We'll never attract the Mr Ps, Js and Qs of this world but I can't bear to see this once great site sink so low. At least Mr F's links will do a shift and take us to a real website. That's all we need right now, a bit of pride.
E-OUT, E-OUT, E-OUT
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Time for Villa to drop an E!
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Mister E's link: http://www.winnersports.co.uk/nigel-pearson-set-appointed-aston-villa-fc-manager-20399
Ta - don't know why it didn't work (after over 8,800 posts, the technology still beats me from time to time).
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Mister E's link: http://www.winnersports.co.uk/nigel-pearson-set-appointed-aston-villa-fc-manager-20399
Ta - don't know why it didn't work (after over 8,800 posts, the technology still beats me from time to time).
You somehow got two lots of http in the link.
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Bloody Northerners
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The article is really a rehash of the stories from earlier this week. It's not new news and nothing that suggests anything is confirmed. Not to say it that might not be true.
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Watch the 'fuck off and die' video on YouTube and tell me you wouldn't have reacted the same way. It's disgusting vitriolic abuse by one numbskull and Pearson, as any human being would do, reacts. It's not like he dragged the bloke out the crowd and have him a good shoeing.
Are you his Agent?
no i am
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I'm genuinely undecided on Pearson. An arsehole, yes, but at least he's tomorrow's arsehole if you like. And he'd come with less of the piss taking and air of capitulation that a McCarthy type appointment would.
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I'm genuinely undecided on Pearson. An arsehole, yes, but at least he's tomorrow's arsehole if you like. And he'd come with less of the piss taking and air of capitulation that a McCarthy type appointment would.
That is true. He's forceful and a bit fashionable in some sense, I suppose, so it's wouldn't just be giving up.
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If it is going to be Pearson, which I still sincerely hope it isn't, I think it'll be done this week. If it isn't done this week, I think someone else is the top target.
Either way, the first words out of the new manager's mouth, whoever it may be, really need to avoid relating to 'a clean slate' and 'everyone getting a fresh chance'. This lot have had enough chances.
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If it is going to be Pearson, which I still sincerely hope it isn't, I think it'll be done this week. If it isn't done this week, I think someone else is the top target.
Either way, the first words out of the new manager's mouth, whoever it may be, really need to avoid relating to 'a clean slate' and 'everyone getting a fresh chance'.
Yes with the exception of certain players who should never play for the club again. We may as well start our preseason prep as soon as relegation is confirmed.
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Definitely. A big part of gabby's descent into obesity has been about the rapid turnover of managers and the understandable tendency for new ones to bring players in from the cold and give fans' favourites the benefit of the doubt.
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If it is going to be Pearson, which I still sincerely hope it isn't, I think it'll be done this week. If it isn't done this week, I think someone else is the top target.
Either way, the first words out of the new manager's mouth, whoever it may be, really need to avoid relating to 'a clean slate' and 'everyone getting a fresh chance'. This lot have had enough chances.
This is what I reckon. If it's Pearson then I think it will be done by next week. Just a hunch. If not we might wait until the end of the season and see what has happened in the champ.
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They appear to have closed the book on Villas new manager on Skybet
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Just noticed Gareth Southgate sat next to Brian Little in the directors Box. Surely not our new manager! Maybe DOF
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Just noticed Gareth Southgate sat next to Brian Little in the directors Box. Surely not our new manager! Maybe DOF
I'd be happy with that
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They appear to have closed the book on Villas new manager on Skybet
New manager markets get closed and opened all the time.
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Southgate as a manager has the opposite problems to those of Pearson. Intelligent, forward-looking, modern view of football, but he's too sane and doesn't have anything like the charismatic fireyness a manager needs.
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I'm hoping Southgate is there to provide evidence that boardroom appointments are now complete and that he has had a say in the next managerial appointment.
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It's the type of appointment Olbiyun or Hull would make, so for that reason, I'm out.
I know our status has taken a battering over the past few years, but we can do better than that surely.
We've appointed arguably worse managers over the past 5 years when we've been a Premier League side, I find it hard to believe now we are relegated that we are suddenly going to attract a much better manager than what we have previously.
Also as I think someone pointed out previously, no one manager has had success everywhere they've gone, even the very best have had failures, it often comes down to being a good fit between the club, the team, the fans and the manager. Look at SGT, he was absolutely perfect for us at the time and yet endured a miserable time at England.
Similarly Lambert came here with a superb reputation and had a torrid time here. It doesn't necessarily make him a bad manager. He may well go on to do well elsewhere. Pulis for instance is strongly disliked but has a very good record in reality.
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If it is going to be Pearson, which I still sincerely hope it isn't, I think it'll be done this week. If it isn't done this week, I think someone else is the top target.
Either way, the first words out of the new manager's mouth, whoever it may be, really need to avoid relating to 'a clean slate' and 'everyone getting a fresh chance'. This lot have had enough chances.
This is what I reckon. If it's Pearson then I think it will be done by next week. Just a hunch. If not we might wait until the end of the season and see what has happened in the champ.
pearson has been quoted as saying that he was interested but not until the end of the season
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They appear to have closed the book on Villas new manager on Skybet
Still open at Betfair. Only £200 gone into the market since this morning.
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Nice to see Sir Brian, Tayls and Southgate all sat together, reminded me of the good old days on a sad day for our great club.
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Just a thought but Southgate might be there to watch the likes of Rashford.
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That's my thoughts too
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Just a thought but Southgate might be there to watch the likes of Rashford.
lets hope so
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Southgate might just have been there because he wanted to watch a game and a couple of old colleagues were there.
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Southgate might just have been there because he wanted to watch a game and a couple of old colleagues were there.
Sitting with them though Dave would suggest it had arranged for him to go with the Villa delegation, as opposed to Southgate going separately.
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I actually think Southgate was prematurely sacked by Boro. He's also done well with the U21s. I think he'd be a decent appointment.
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I think Southgate as Head of Football Operations could be a good move. He could give us the stability and continuity in the long term that we need behind the scenes and ensure the Club is run effectively from 1st Team down to the academy.
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Southgate might just have been there because he wanted to watch a game and a couple of old colleagues were there.
Please let this be the case.
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I wouldn't choose Southgate for manager, but if he wanted a role at Villa Park I'd snap his hand off. He's an intelligent man and there's a reason he was captain at every side he played for (England excepted). I think he'd be the genuine football brain the club's lacked for so long.
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DOF maybe, but not as a Manager. He doesn't fit the criteria that Bernstein set for starters. It's a definite no to Southgate for me.
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Southgate might just have been there because he wanted to watch a game and a couple of old colleagues were there.
Southgate might just have been there because he wanted to watch a game and a couple of old colleagues were there.
Sitting with them though Dave would suggest it had arranged for him to go with the Villa delegation, as opposed to Southgate going separately.
Agreed.
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They appear to have closed the book on Villas new manager on Skybet
New manager markets get closed and opened all the time.
Ive checked it every day since Remi left ( sad I know) It's the first time I've seen it closed
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Now relegation is confirmed I wonder if we'll announce a new manager in the next couple of days? Tomorrow's papers will be interesting (I hope).
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Now relegation is confirmed I wonder if we'll announce a new manager in the next couple of days? Tomorrow's papers will be interesting (I hope).
I still reckon it'll be at the end of the season.
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Now relegation is confirmed I wonder if we'll announce a new manager in the next couple of days? Tomorrow's papers will be interesting (I hope).
I still reckon it'll be at the end of the season.
Probably. The whole club just needs a lift of some sort though.
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Gabby would eat Southgate for breakfast, probably quite literally!
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Southgate might just have been there because he wanted to watch a game and a couple of old colleagues were there.
Southgate might just have been there because he wanted to watch a game and a couple of old colleagues were there.
Sitting with them though Dave would suggest it had arranged for him to go with the Villa delegation, as opposed to Southgate going separately.
Agreed.
Or he sat with them because he knows them.
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Now relegation is confirmed I wonder if we'll announce a new manager in the next couple of days? Tomorrow's papers will be interesting (I hope).
I still reckon it'll be at the end of the season.
Yeah, but there's no harm in starting the " It's Pearson" thread now though
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Now relegation is confirmed I wonder if we'll announce a new manager in the next couple of days? Tomorrow's papers will be interesting (I hope).
I still reckon it'll be at the end of the season.
Bruce or Hughton?
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Now relegation is confirmed I wonder if we'll announce a new manager in the next couple of days? Tomorrow's papers will be interesting (I hope).
I still reckon it'll be at the end of the season.
Bruce or Hughton?
Neither I expect. Why do you think it would be one of them?
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Wishful thinking?
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Southgate might just have been there because he wanted to watch a game and a couple of old colleagues were there.
Southgate might just have been there because he wanted to watch a game and a couple of old colleagues were there.
Dave, don't deny us an opportunity to put 2+2 together and make 11!!!
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Now relegation is confirmed I wonder if we'll announce a new manager in the next couple of days? Tomorrow's papers will be interesting (I hope).
I still reckon it'll be at the end of the season.
Bruce or Hughton?
Neither I expect. Why do you think it would be one of them?
Two managers that will be busy until the end of the season. As things stand only one could see his side promoted next season, through the play-offs. The point being if we leave until the end of the season I'd assume our target is currently employed.
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Anyone but fucking Black. That starting lineup was disgraceful. If he puts out a side like that again, he needs to be strung up and given a good flogging.
Any fool can see which players will have a part to play next season and which we absolutely need shot of. Richardson is out of contract this summer so playing him is pointless.
Get Traore, Grealish, Green, Lyden and a few more youngsters in. If we play anyone senior it needs to be players who might actually be useful here next season.
But really, we need to tear this squad up and start from scratch. Bring in 5-6 good senior players to build around our youngsters.
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Or maybe the person they want doesn't want to join right now. It doesn't mean they are employed. Why associate yourself with the depressing tail end of a season when instead you can take control when it's a lot calmer at the end?
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Any manager under consideration who is not currently employed should be champing at the bit to start work. We are Aston Villa. If they are not, then they have no right to manage us.
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Or maybe the person they want doesn't want to join right now. It doesn't mean they are employed. Why associate yourself with the depressing tail end of a season when instead you can take control when it's a lot calmer at the end?
On the flipside, anyone coming in has essentially 4 free games where they can get a good idea of who is worth keeping and who needs to be shoved into a mincer.
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Or maybe the person they want doesn't want to join right now. It doesn't mean they are employed. Why associate yourself with the depressing tail end of a season when instead you can take control when it's a lot calmer at the end?
On the flipside, anyone coming in has essentially 4 free games where they can get a good idea of who is worth keeping and who needs to be shoved into a mincer.
I prefer that idea.. shoving them in a mincer.
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Still want Pearson in to sort this shambles out. I really fear for next season - new manager needs to be in before next Saturday.
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Still want Pearson in to sort this shambles out. I really fear for next season - new manager needs to be in before next Saturday.
After today I think it really does seem like we need someone like Pearson to tear the place apart and pull together a squad who are willing to fight and play by his rules. It would only take 5-6 players to come in. A decent core to go with our youngsters. We need a spine.
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Any manager under consideration who is not currently employed should be champing at the bit to start work. We are Aston Villa. If they are not, then they have no right to manage us.
Indeed and add any manager so vain that would only join us after we've been relegated as he doesn't want it on his CV.
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Or maybe the person they want doesn't want to join right now. It doesn't mean they are employed. Why associate yourself with the depressing tail end of a season when instead you can take control when it's a lot calmer at the end?
They could come in as a breath of fresh air at a time when the feeling changes from resignation and defeat to optimism and excitement. It's pretty clear which players need moving and which don't and it's questionable how many we could get rid of before pre-season starts when assessments can be made in a different climate.
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Or maybe the person they want doesn't want to join right now. It doesn't mean they are employed. Why associate yourself with the depressing tail end of a season when instead you can take control when it's a lot calmer at the end?
They could come in as a breath of fresh air at a time when the feeling changes from resignation and defeat to optimism and excitement. It's pretty clear which players need moving and which don't and it's questionable how many we could get rid of before pre-season starts when assessments can be made in a different climate.
I just think it might be too poisonous. If someone does come in it needs to be with a very specific mandate. As opposed to just a fact finding mission so to speak.
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Or maybe the person they want doesn't want to join right now. It doesn't mean they are employed. Why associate yourself with the depressing tail end of a season when instead you can take control when it's a lot calmer at the end?
On the flipside, anyone coming in has essentially 4 free games where they can get a good idea of who is worth keeping and who needs to be shoved into a mincer.
I'll help them out here and save them some time.
Take a look at the team sheet from today. If his name was on it they are shit and should be sold.
Job done.
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Or maybe the person they want doesn't want to join right now. It doesn't mean they are employed. Why associate yourself with the depressing tail end of a season when instead you can take control when it's a lot calmer at the end?
On the flipside, anyone coming in has essentially 4 free games where they can get a good idea of who is worth keeping and who needs to be shoved into a mincer.
I'll help them out here and save them some time.
Take a look at the team sheet from today. If his name was on it they are shit and should be sold.
Job done.
Very true. I would hazard a guess that anyone interested in the job, on our shortlist would have been studying up in recent weeks/months to get an idea on the state of our squad. 1-2 candidates will probably take their name out the running because of the shit they've seen.
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Mirror are running that it's all on hold until Randy confirms next season's budget. Surely that's total rubbish? Hollis and King will know by now what the budget is going to be next season I am very very sure. And will have had an indication from Lerner what he will put in. I am filling that one under filler.
Mail on Sunday are running that it is Moyes we want and will hold out for.
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If the Lerner thing has any truth in it (it wouldn't surprise me) then he really is an arsehole. Still no word from him even in this crisis which is a disgrace in its self. I wish he'd just fuck off.
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Mail reckon we want Moyes then say we still have to persuade him. I hope we get Moyes but it sounds like they actually haven't got a clue.
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Mail reckon we want Moyes then say we still have to persuade him. I hope we get Moyes but it sounds like they actually haven't got a clue.
They haven't got a clue based on what the Mail says or do you mean the Mail haven't got a clue?
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Mail reckon we want Moyes then say we still have to persuade him. I hope we get Moyes but it sounds like they actually haven't got a clue.
If Moyes is holding out until he gets a transfer budget guaranteed as part of his contract then good for him.
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Mail reckon we want Moyes then say we still have to persuade him. I hope we get Moyes but it sounds like they actually haven't got a clue.
They haven't got a clue based on what the Mail says or do you mean the Mail haven't got a clue?
If I had to put my money down, I think I'd be erring towards both of the above.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3543808/Aston-Villa-set-turn-David-Moyes-man-lead-Premier-League-Scot-promised-big-funds.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
Please let this be true.
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It mentioned McCarthy as well but I'm going to erase that from my memory and pretend I didn't read it.
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Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
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Mail reckon we want Moyes then say we still have to persuade him. I hope we get Moyes but it sounds like they actually haven't got a clue.
They haven't got a clue based on what the Mail says or do you mean the Mail haven't got a clue?
If I had to put my money down, I think I'd be erring towards both of the above.
If it was only Randy and Fox or Faulkner making the next big decision I'd agre entirely. I think the football side of our board have probably narrowed things down to a few names and it's now about getting that person in. The Moyes speculation, the first in a few weeks of pretty much being linked to a number of people nobody really wants is at least encouraging. Let's hope there's some substance to it.
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Did someone say Mick McCarthy?
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Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Honestly I find this attitude bizarre. If we got Moyes, having just been relegated, it would be a big statement.
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Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Honestly I find this attitude bizarre. If we got Moyes, having just been relegated, it would be a big statement.
And first order of business he would make us tougher to beat and more resolute. He'd also get in players who want to play for the team.
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Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Honestly I find this attitude bizarre. If we got Moyes, having just been relegated, it would be a big statement.
Like pissing down your leg, it gives you a nice warm feeling..
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Did someone say Mick McCarthy?
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I could watch that gif all day! :)
Manager, though?
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That would be a whole new thread, who would be the 'one in the hole'?
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Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Honestly I find this attitude bizarre. If we got Moyes, having just been relegated, it would be a big statement.
Like pissing down your leg, it gives you a nice warm feeling..
Just cannot see Moyes coming in and shaking things up. Paint drying.
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Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Honestly I find this attitude bizarre. If we got Moyes, having just been relegated, it would be a big statement.
Like pissing down your leg, it gives you a nice warm feeling..
See I genuinely don't understand the view, that having been relegated, that Moyes is beneath us. I think probably at least three quarters of the teams in the top flight would be happy with him.
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Did someone say Mick McCarthy?
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I could watch that gif all day! :)
Manager, though?
I'd rather employ whoever made the gif as he is obviously a genius.
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Moyes would suck the last life out off the club.
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I never tire of that one
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I'd love Moyes to come, it'd be a real coup for us.
Just can't see him taking us on though. He'll end up back at Everton or, dare I say it, the Albion.
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Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Honestly I find this attitude bizarre. If we got Moyes, having just been relegated, it would be a big statement.
Like pissing down your leg, it gives you a nice warm feeling..
Just cannot see Moyes coming in and shaking things up. Paint drying.
I'm torn really. Moyes could offer stability and perhaps something longer term. He'd also be able to attract decent players to come to us.
But the other part of me thinks we could do with a Thunderc**t like Pearson to come in with his shlanger out and dong slap our entire squad into shape. Pelt tea cups around the place but still command the respect of his squad (Whereas Keane for example always seems to alienate his squads, Pearson is well regarded by his players generally).
I really don't know whether we need to start with being more measured, or start by lobbing a grenade into the club.
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Moyes would suck the last life out off the club.
I don't see why someone who is know for being meticulous, having high standards and making some decent transfers over the years would warrant such a statement.
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I'd love Moyes to come, it'd be a real coup for us.
Just can't see him taking us on though. He'll end up back at Everton or, dare I say it, the Albion.
He isn't going Albion. We're bigger than fucking that lot even in the league below. Our upside in getting back in to the PL is much higher than Albion wallowing around 11th-16th position year after year. If we sort ourselves out getting back into Europe in 3 years should be the minimum target.
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I'm torn really. Moyes could offer stability and perhaps something longer term. He'd also be able to attract decent players to come to us.
But the other part of me thinks we could do with a Thunderc**t like Pearson to come in with his shlanger out and dong slap our entire squad into shape. Pelt tea cups around the place but still command the respect of his squad (Whereas Keane for example always seems to alienate his squads, Pearson is well regarded by his players generally).
I really don't know whether we need to start with being more measured, or start by lobbing a grenade into the club.
Sir Graham turned it round without screaming, ranting or attempted murder.
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I'm torn really. Moyes could offer stability and perhaps something longer term. He'd also be able to attract decent players to come to us.
But the other part of me thinks we could do with a Thunderc**t like Pearson to come in with his shlanger out and dong slap our entire squad into shape. Pelt tea cups around the place but still command the respect of his squad (Whereas Keane for example always seems to alienate his squads, Pearson is well regarded by his players generally).
I really don't know whether we need to start with being more measured, or start by lobbing a grenade into the club.
Sir Graham turned it round without screaming, ranting or attempted murder.
True but I sadly don't see any candidates who could do the same and I'd go as far as saying this current job would even have been beyond SGT.
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Moyes would suck the last life out off the club.
Based on what? What exactly are you seeing from the club that makes you think there is any life in it at the moment?
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Moyes would suck the last life out off the club.
I don't see why someone who is know for being meticulous, having high standards and making some decent transfers over the years would warrant such a statement.
We need a spark. Not a squib.
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Strange that the Mirror article does not mention Moyes at all, yet the Mail article pinpoints him as the one we want.
If there is a chance of Moyes, he has to be got. Looking at the record of Pearson and Moyes, considering they are the same age, there is no comparison. His coaching team would be available, but it all comes down to whether Randy is willing to back him to get out of the Championship quickly.
He would though, very obviously, be the only one that would unite the vast majority of the fan base.
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Mirror are running that it's all on hold until Randy confirms next season's budget. Surely that's total rubbish? Hollis and King will know by now what the budget is going to be next season I am very very sure. And will have had an indication from Lerner what he will put in. I am filling that one under filler.
Mail on Sunday are running that it is Moyes we want and will hold out for.
Honestly I don't think I'd believe a word out of Moxley's mouth or anything he wrote even if he was saying Aston Villa play in claret and blue in the city of Birmingham. I don't know what he's got right in such a long time. And you know who their sister shit rag is too.
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Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Honestly I find this attitude bizarre. If we got Moyes, having just been relegated, it would be a big statement.
Like pissing down your leg, it gives you a nice warm feeling..
See I genuinely don't understand the view, that having been relegated, that Moyes is beneath us. I think probably at least three quarters of the teams in the top flight would be happy with him.
Fifteen teams in the PL would be happy with him? If that were true, we're not worthy. My main problem with Moyes, apart from his rather dull approach to football, is we'd be stuck with him for years. He'd get the same type of worship that was bestowed on MON, spending a fortune and giving little back in terms of entertainment. Then we'd have the old 'stability' lines coming out every time somebody dare question his judgement whilst he bores the living shit out of us season after season.
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Hiring Moyes would be a huge statement of intent. Even if you don't rate him, he would be by far the most high profile boss in the division, and also a sign that we have given him assurances which match his ambition.
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Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Honestly I find this attitude bizarre. If we got Moyes, having just been relegated, it would be a big statement.
Like pissing down your leg, it gives you a nice warm feeling..
Just cannot see Moyes coming in and shaking things up. Paint drying.
I'm torn really. Moyes could offer stability and perhaps something longer term.
Ha! See, it's already started. ;)
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Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Honestly I find this attitude bizarre. If we got Moyes, having just been relegated, it would be a big statement.
Like pissing down your leg, it gives you a nice warm feeling..
See I genuinely don't understand the view, that having been relegated, that Moyes is beneath us. I think probably at least three quarters of the teams in the top flight would be happy with him.
Fifteen teams in the PL would be happy with him? If that were true, we're not worthy. My main problem with Moyes, apart from his rather dull approach to football, is we'd be stuck with him for years. He'd get the same type of worship that was bestowed on MON, spending a fortune and giving little back in terms of entertainment. Then we'd have the old 'stability' lines coming out every time somebody dare question his judgement whilst he bores the living shit out of us season after season.
If we were 'stuck with him for years', wouldn't that probably be because he was being relatively successful? Which seems to be a rather strange reason for not wanting someone as manager.
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Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Honestly I find this attitude bizarre. If we got Moyes, having just been relegated, it would be a big statement.
Like pissing down your leg, it gives you a nice warm feeling..
See I genuinely don't understand the view, that having been relegated, that Moyes is beneath us. I think probably at least three quarters of the teams in the top flight would be happy with him.
Fifteen teams in the PL would be happy with him? If that were true, we're not worthy. My main problem with Moyes, apart from his rather dull approach to football, is we'd be stuck with him for years. He'd get the same type of worship that was bestowed on MON, spending a fortune and giving little back in terms of entertainment. Then we'd have the old 'stability' lines coming out every time somebody dare question his judgement whilst he bores the living shit out of us season after season.
But stats prove he is not as dull as MON was for example at times, despite a lot, lot less money? He might was a fortune, and if he does, I doubt he would get the job. 5-6 years of stability in the premier league seems a long way off tonight.
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I've said this before but I'd be perfectly happy with boring 6th/7th place finishes right now. And especially at this very moment.
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Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Moyes. Yawn. Not the man to inspire or get us up.
Honestly I find this attitude bizarre. If we got Moyes, having just been relegated, it would be a big statement.
Like pissing down your leg, it gives you a nice warm feeling..
See I genuinely don't understand the view, that having been relegated, that Moyes is beneath us. I think probably at least three quarters of the teams in the top flight would be happy with him.
Fifteen teams in the PL would be happy with him? If that were true, we're not worthy. My main problem with Moyes, apart from his rather dull approach to football, is we'd be stuck with him for years. He'd get the same type of worship that was bestowed on MON, spending a fortune and giving little back in terms of entertainment. Then we'd have the old 'stability' lines coming out every time somebody dare question his judgement whilst he bores the living shit out of us season after season.
It's not the same though is it? We're in a completely different place now. After 6 years of relegation scraps, which finally culminated in the drop, show me anyone honestly who wouldn't take in four years time finishing 9th in the Premier League. If you honestly think our ambitions should outstrip that at the moment I think you're looking way beyond what we're capable of. A few years of stability following promotion under Moyes could be exactly what we need.
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When did we ever watch Everton over the last 10 years and think wow progressive winning football, please give us their manager. Dull and regressive shite. But hey give the man the red carpet. We need such a different type of manager. The Moyes love in really baffles me.
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I've said this before but I'd be perfectly happy with boring 6th/7th place finishes right now. And especially at this very moment.
No shit, Sherlock.
Tonight of all nights.. ;)
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When did we ever watch Everton over the last 10 years and think wow progressive winning football, please give us their manager. Dull and regressive shite. But hey give the man the red carpet. We need such a different type of manager. The Moyes love in really baffles me.
They beat us very convincingly at home a couple of years back, think it was quite early in the season, they looked very good then.
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When did we ever watch Everton over the last 10 years and think wow progressive winning football, please give us their manager. Dull and regressive shite. But hey give the man the red carpet. We need such a different type of manager. The Moyes love in really baffles me.
I totally agree.
The term 'industrial football' was invented for Moyes.
I hope the club can be progressive with the next appointment, but I have no idea who it should be.
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I've said this before but I'd be perfectly happy with boring 6th/7th place finishes right now. And especially at this very moment.
No shit, Sherlock.
Tonight of all nights.. ;)
My point was directed to all those who are suggesting Moyes would be boring as opposed to making a very obvious point.
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Unless he was looking for ridiculous conditions (zero comp if a job he fancies becomes available/ full contract paid up if he's underperforming/ crazy transfer budget) he is the best option by a long shot.
It might be the last chance we'll get for some time to bring in a 'name.'
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When did we ever watch Everton over the last 10 years and think wow progressive winning football, please give us their manager. Dull and regressive shite. But hey give the man the red carpet. We need such a different type of manager. The Moyes love in really baffles me.
Perhaps it's because of all those games he won in charge of Everton. Remember when we used to win games and finish in and around the top 6 on a regular basis?
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When did we ever watch Everton over the last 10 years and think wow progressive winning football, please give us their manager. Dull and regressive shite. But hey give the man the red carpet. We need such a different type of manager. The Moyes love in really baffles me.
I totally agree.
The term 'industrial football' was invented for Moyes.
I hope the club can be progressive with the next appointment, but I have no idea who it should be.
Spot on.When did we ever watch Everton over the last 10 years and think wow progressive winning football, please give us their manager. Dull and regressive shite. But hey give the man the red carpet. We need such a different type of manager. The Moyes love in really baffles me.
They beat us very convincingly at home a couple of years back, think it was quite early in the season, they looked very good then.
Didn't we do the reversing them too? 4-1
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When did we ever watch Everton over the last 10 years and think wow progressive winning football, please give us their manager. Dull and regressive shite. But hey give the man the red carpet. We need such a different type of manager. The Moyes love in really baffles me.
I totally agree.
The term 'industrial football' was invented for Moyes.
I hope the club can be progressive with the next appointment, but I have no idea who it should be.
That what worries me. Who will it be. I'd snap up NP for a year or two. And then see. But for me Moyes would be the last straw. Heskey like signing.
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When did we ever watch Everton over the last 10 years and think wow progressive winning football, please give us their manager. Dull and regressive shite. But hey give the man the red carpet. We need such a different type of manager. The Moyes love in really baffles me.
I totally agree.
The term 'industrial football' was invented for Moyes.
I hope the club can be progressive with the next appointment, but I have no idea who it should be.
That term was created for Pull-is. Moyes' team moved it quite well, but knew how to grind results out too. He is also a big enough name and character to not stand for any of the shit without it turning ugly. It would be very interesting if Newcastle do drop, to see if he ends up there and we get Pearson. I think we would be the ones being disappointed come the end of the season that we didn't get Moyes.
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In a way Newcastle not being relegated would be good thing as it would rule Moyes out of that job.
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When did we ever watch Everton over the last 10 years and think wow progressive winning football, please give us their manager. Dull and regressive shite. But hey give the man the red carpet. We need such a different type of manager. The Moyes love in really baffles me.
I totally agree.
The term 'industrial football' was invented for Moyes.
I hope the club can be progressive with the next appointment, but I have no idea who it should be.
Spot on.When did we ever watch Everton over the last 10 years and think wow progressive winning football, please give us their manager. Dull and regressive shite. But hey give the man the red carpet. We need such a different type of manager. The Moyes love in really baffles me.
They beat us very convincingly at home a couple of years back, think it was quite early in the season, they looked very good then.
Didn't we do the reversing them too? 4-1
Just googled it as my memory isn't that sharp. We lost 1-3 very early in the 2012-13 season, they were 0-3 up at half time. Return game was 3-3
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Unless he was looking for ridiculous conditions (zero comp if a job he fancies becomes available/ full contract paid up if he's underperforming/ crazy transfer budget) he is the best option by a long shot.
It might be the last chance we'll get for some time to bring in a 'name.'
A name? A statement of intent? It's like wanting a blonde girlfriend just because of her hair colour despite her having the conversational capacity of a 7 year old. Can't we just find a manager that can get us back in the money league, tries to play attractive football and take it from there?
Moyes for me is much like MON and Alex McLeish. We've been there and look where it's left us.
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When did we ever watch Everton over the last 10 years and think wow progressive winning football, please give us their manager. Dull and regressive shite. But hey give the man the red carpet. We need such a different type of manager. The Moyes love in really baffles me.
I totally agree.
The term 'industrial football' was invented for Moyes.
I hope the club can be progressive with the next appointment, but I have no idea who it should be.
I agree totally. Moyes may not be perfect, but he'd be an incredible appointment for Villa in our current state. For me I'd quite like to see Villa winning again.
That term was created for Pull-is. Moyes' team moved it quite well, but knew how to grind results out too. He is also a big enough name and character to not stand for any of the shit without it turning ugly. It would be very interesting if Newcastle do drop, to see if he ends up there and we get Pearson. I think we would be the ones being disappointed come the end of the season that we didn't get Moyes.
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Unless he was looking for ridiculous conditions (zero comp if a job he fancies becomes available/ full contract paid up if he's underperforming/ crazy transfer budget) he is the best option by a long shot.
It might be the last chance we'll get for some time to bring in a 'name.'
A name? A statement of intent? It's like wanting a blonde girlfriend just because of her hair colour despite her having the conversational capacity of a 7 year old. Can't we just find a manager that can get us back in the money league, tries to play attractive football and take it from there?
Moyes for me is much like MON and Alex McLeish. We've been there and look where it's left us.
I think comparing Moyes with McLeish is a bit far fetched. Reading these pages, I don't think there is much of a grasp on the reality of our situation and the type of manager we are going to be able to attract. We're shopping in Poundland now.
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Unless he was looking for ridiculous conditions (zero comp if a job he fancies becomes available/ full contract paid up if he's underperforming/ crazy transfer budget) he is the best option by a long shot.
It might be the last chance we'll get for some time to bring in a 'name.'
A name? A statement of intent? It's like wanting a blonde girlfriend just because of her hair colour despite her having the conversational capacity of a 7 year old. Can't we just find a manager that can get us back in the money league, tries to play attractive football and take it from there?
Moyes for me is much like MON and Alex McLeish. We've been there and look where it's left us.
His Everton sides that gave us a good going over on numerous occasions looked about as far removed from an Alex McLeish team as it is possible to get.
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In a way Newcastle not being relegated would be good thing as it would rule Moyes out of that job.
I want Newcastle relegated as it will give everybody a realistic benchmark to compare. The more pressure on us the better we will be.Two seriously messed up clubs, which one will get it right. If they do go down, I'd say we've got our boardroom sorted out, whilst they are led by a joker. Their players are much like ours, they don't give a shit.
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When did we ever watch Everton over the last 10 years and think wow progressive winning football, please give us their manager. Dull and regressive shite. But hey give the man the red carpet. We need such a different type of manager. The Moyes love in really baffles me.
Everton were a top 6 Premier League club when Moyes left. In 11 years there he secured a finishing position of no lower than 8th in 9 of those seasons, finishing 4th once, 5th and 6th twice. That's a pretty impressive record in my book.
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
I know it's absolutely bonkers. I just can't get my head around the idea that Moyes isn't good enough for us.
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
I can't either. I think some can't quite grasp the reality of the situation we're in.
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
Well I guess that depends if you believe those that think we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship.
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
I know it's absolutely bonkers. I just can't get my head around the idea that Moyes isn't good enough for us.
And yet Nigel Pearson with one promotion to the top division to his name and sacked after one year in the Premier League is some kind of managerial genius.
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If the pool consisted of Moyes, and then the likes of Eddie Howe, Aitor Karanka and even someone slightly leftfield (but possibly inspired) like Carlos Queiroz then it might be a dilemma.
When it's Moyes and then Bruce, Blockhead Pearson, Mad Mick and co, then it is really no dilemma at all.
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Getting Moyes would be a real coup for us and way above my current expectations.
Which is why I'm not expecting it.
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
Well I guess that depends if you believe those that think we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship.
Which I don't, but neither do I think that there's a manager out there who would turn us round better than he would. If you have a better candidate, I'd love to hear it.
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
I can't either. I think some can't quite grasp the reality of the situation we're in.
Whoever it is will have to have the respect of a pretty shit dressing room smartish, and then be able to instil a very disciplined style of football into the team as a very basic block to build on next season. I trust Moyes to do that and make it sustainable over a period of time. We need a stable, calm influence that is willing to put the foundation work in and build a side. Not a boy racer that looks exciting but will have burned out the tyres in his Nova by the end of the road.
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Getting Moyes would be a real coup for us and way above my current expectations.
Which is why I'm not expecting it.
I'm not expecting it either. If I were him, I'd be waiting to see which Premier League jobs became available because he is bound to be amongst the front runners if any of the mid to lower table ones do. It would be a major coup if we could persuade him to take on the job at Villa Park.
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
I know it's absolutely bonkers. I just can't get my head around the idea that Moyes isn't good enough for us.
And yet Nigel Pearson with one promotion to the top division to his name and sacked after one year in the Premier League is some kind of managerial genius.
This. Totally and utterly this. Fucking Nigel Pearson, above David Moyes? I really just don't get it. Moyes failed at Man United, yes, but the good job he did at Everton gave him that shot at the bigger club. I'll take Moyes every day of the week over Pearson. If not Moyes, Rodgers.
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It's a bit like waiting for Christmas.
You know there'll be something.
You're just hoping it's the thing you really, really want.
Or something more fantastic.
No pressure, Mr. H.
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
I know it's absolutely bonkers. I just can't get my head around the idea that Moyes isn't good enough for us.
And yet Nigel Pearson with one promotion to the top division to his name and sacked after one year in the Premier League is some kind of managerial genius.
The above poll tells us Moyes is the manager most Villa fans want though.
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
I know it's absolutely bonkers. I just can't get my head around the idea that Moyes isn't good enough for us.
And yet Nigel Pearson with one promotion to the top division to his name and sacked after one year in the Premier League is some kind of managerial genius.
The above poll tells us Moyes is the manager most Villa fans want though.
Whoosh!! Duck!!
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I reckon Moyes is waiting for Ronny Deila to shuffle of the perch at Celtic Park.
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I reckon Moyes is waiting for Ronny Deila to shuffle of the perch at Celtic Park.
Or Martinez to get the elbow at Everton.
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I reckon Moyes is waiting for Ronny Deila to shuffle of the perch at Celtic Park.
With all dud respect, there's a reason why Ronny Delia got do job up there in the first place.
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
I know it's absolutely bonkers. I just can't get my head around the idea that Moyes isn't good enough for us.
And yet Nigel Pearson with one promotion to the top division to his name and sacked after one year in the Premier League is some kind of managerial genius.
The above poll tells us Moyes is the manager most Villa fans want though.
That means nothing , most villa fans wanted lambert
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
I know it's absolutely bonkers. I just can't get my head around the idea that Moyes isn't good enough for us.
And yet Nigel Pearson with one promotion to the top division to his name and sacked after one year in the Premier League is some kind of managerial genius.
The above poll tells us Moyes is the manager most Villa fans want though.
That means nothing , most villa fans wanted lambert
You miss my point. It was in reply to posts from others who couldn't believe so many are sneering at Moyes.
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I said it a couple of weeks ago and I'll say it now. We've been relegated. Some of our supporters reckon we'll be lucky to stay in the Championship. And yet, for some unfathomable reason, David Moyes isn't good enough for us. I really, really, can't work it out.
I know it's absolutely bonkers. I just can't get my head around the idea that Moyes isn't good enough for us.
And yet Nigel Pearson with one promotion to the top division to his name and sacked after one year in the Premier League is some kind of managerial genius.
The above poll tells us Moyes is the manager most Villa fans want though.
That means nothing , most villa fans wanted lambert
You miss my point. It was in reply to posts from others who couldn't believe so many are sneering at Moyes.
There will always be a section of supporters who will think that even managers with a pedigree and a decent record in the top flight wouldn't be good enough or deserve the chance to manage our club. They also fail in many cases to suggest realistic choices for the post themselves.
Er the reality is we no longer can attract the big names.
If we can attract Moyes I think it would be a brilliant appointment. But I think he's too good for us, not the other way round anymore.
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I would be delighted if we got Moyes. First, I think he's a very good manager who would sort us out but second it says so much about our ambition, intent and what he's been told in order to accept the job. I think he's the best scenario we can possibly hope for.
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I would be delighted if we got Moyes. First, I think he's a very good manager who would sort us out but second it says so much about our ambition, intent and what he's been told in order to accept the job. I think he's the best scenario we can possibly hope for.
I would say it's the dream scenario give our current position.
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I dreamt that we got Moyes last night. Nobody should ever dream about David Moyes. Fuck you, Villa.
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I dreamt that we got Moyes last night. Nobody should ever dream about David Moyes. Fuck you, Villa.
I shouldn't laugh at that but you're absolutely right. Fuck me.
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There should be no rush in appointing the new manager now. We're down, and the players that got us there are not going anywhere for at least 2 months. Let Black coast to the end of the season and then have a clean sweep of the club. Terminate contracts, pay lads off, but get rid of anyone that has contributed to the shameful shambles of the last 18 months and let the new manager start anew. And shoot anyone who suggests that Pearson is the man for the job.
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If we cant get Moyes then Mark Warburton for me...........
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I hope the search is past the "well advanced stage" we're fortunate that there are a good number available with the type of background we will need but if we delay too long those numbers will inevitably diminish and so will our chance of making the right appointment.
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I think it's Pearson still, and has been for a while
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I hope the search is past the "well advanced stage" we're fortunate that there are a good number available with the type of background we will need but if we delay too long those numbers will inevitably diminish and so will our chance of making the right appointment.
Possible. Equally that number could grow as clubs part company with managers at the end of the season. Could go either way.
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I think it's Pearson still, and has been for a while
Well he got my vote, I know the Albion lot (and I've had this from ST holders whose opinions I trust) are really hoping we don't get him because of how they rated him when he was at the Hawthorns.
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I think it's Pearson still, and has been for a while
me too dont ask me why
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If it is and his appointment is part of a complete and considered search then that's fine. Whoever we realistically appoint will have detractors. What's critical is that we make the appointment and give the manager full support in getting us out of this mess quickly.
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Just been looking at a Celtic forum. Some of their fans want Moyes.
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Just been looking at a Celtic forum. Some of their fans want Moyes.
The job is ideal for him and the one he is waiting for
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The job at Celtic is ideal for anyone with a pulse.
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
And then what?
It appears that people think he is a manager that is best suited to strong arm methods to get non-performers to perform. If we are going to kick the 'wasters' out of the club anyway, why not get someone that can best work with what's left.
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
just dont want to see these players wearing our shirt again .. that black is hopeless
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
And then what?
It appears that people think he is a manager that is best suited to strong arm methods to get non-performers to perform. If we are going to kick the 'wasters' out of the club anyway, why not get someone that can best work with what's left.
why ? no other manager could
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
a new manager comes in everything starts from scratch, every player starts on a level playing field equal to one another
The new manager says what went on before is irelavent and everyone has been given another chance to prove to him they can force there way into the team
All sounds good, that's what happens with every new manager
I would rather him make his mind up to see what wastes of space we have in the next few games rather than doing it when it matters in the first few matches of a new season,
Because as we all know, many managers have tried with some of them to no avail, it's not going to change the new man needs to see that sooner rather than later
That's why it would be best to get a new man now instead of experimenting with Richardson and Gabby etc next season,
if the new man is at another club that's fair enough, but it would be pretty stupid in my view if it's Pearson/Moyes or someone else out of work to wait any longer now we are definitely down
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
a new manager comes in everything starts from scratch, every player starts on a level playing field equal to one another
The new manager says what went on before is irelavent and everyone has been given another chance to prove to him they can force there way into the team
All sounds good, that's what happens with every new manager
I would rather him make his mind up to see what wastes of space we have in the next few games rather than doing it when it matters in the first few matches of a new season,
Because as we all know, many managers have tried with some of them to no avail, it's not going to change the new man needs to see that sooner rather than later
That's why it would be best to get a new man now instead of experimenting with Richardson and Gabby etc next season,
if the new man is at another club that's fair enough, but it would be pretty stupid in my view if it's Pearson/Moyes or someone else out of work to wait any longer now we are definitely down
I wouldn't.
I'm sick of new managers making their minds up on our squad where it's clear to everyone they are 85% arseholes who manage to put in a good couple of performances at the start of each managerial reign.
Whichever manager comes in, it needs to be on the understanding from the board that the senior pros who have caused problems this season or at the very least not performed are on their bike regardless - N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Hutton, Lescott, Richards, Guzan, Richardson. That much should be non-negotiable and is about 300k worth of weekly wages for them to rebuild with.
There's no way back for those mentioned with the fans, they are a symbol of this appalling squad and have to be got rid of. No making up of the new manager's mind to be done.
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
a new manager comes in everything starts from scratch, every player starts on a level playing field equal to one another
The new manager says what went on before is irelavent and everyone has been given another chance to prove to him they can force there way into the team
All sounds good, that's what happens with every new manager
I would rather him make his mind up to see what wastes of space we have in the next few games rather than doing it when it matters in the first few matches of a new season,
Because as we all know, many managers have tried with some of them to no avail, it's not going to change the new man needs to see that sooner rather than later
That's why it would be best to get a new man now instead of experimenting with Richardson and Gabby etc next season,
if the new man is at another club that's fair enough, but it would be pretty stupid in my view if it's Pearson/Moyes or someone else out of work to wait any longer now we are definitely down
exactly John E
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
a new manager comes in everything starts from scratch, every player starts on a level playing field equal to one another
The new manager says what went on before is irelavent and everyone has been given another chance to prove to him they can force there way into the team
All sounds good, that's what happens with every new manager
I would rather him make his mind up to see what wastes of space we have in the next few games rather than doing it when it matters in the first few matches of a new season,
Because as we all know, many managers have tried with some of them to no avail, it's not going to change the new man needs to see that sooner rather than later
That's why it would be best to get a new man now instead of experimenting with Richardson and Gabby etc next season,
if the new man is at another club that's fair enough, but it would be pretty stupid in my view if it's Pearson/Moyes or someone else out of work to wait any longer now we are definitely down
I wouldn't.
I'm sick of new managers making their minds up on our squad where it's clear to everyone they are 85% arseholes who manage to put in a good couple of performances at the start of each managerial reign.
Whichever manager comes in, it needs to be on the understanding from the board that the senior pros who have caused problems this season or at the very least not performed are on their bike regardless - N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Hutton, Lescott, Richards, Guzan, Richardson. That much should be non-negotiable and is about 300k worth of weekly wages for them to rebuild with.
There's no way back for those mentioned with the fans, they are a symbol of this appalling squad and have to be got rid of. No making up of the new manager's mind to be done.
Hutton ?
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Just been looking at a Celtic forum. Some of their fans want Moyes.
The job is ideal for him and the one he is waiting for
They've just been played off the park by a team in the division below them. No one with any real ambition will be going there.
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
a new manager comes in everything starts from scratch, every player starts on a level playing field equal to one another
The new manager says what went on before is irelavent and everyone has been given another chance to prove to him they can force there way into the team
All sounds good, that's what happens with every new manager
I would rather him make his mind up to see what wastes of space we have in the next few games rather than doing it when it matters in the first few matches of a new season,
Because as we all know, many managers have tried with some of them to no avail, it's not going to change the new man needs to see that sooner rather than later
That's why it would be best to get a new man now instead of experimenting with Richardson and Gabby etc next season,
if the new man is at another club that's fair enough, but it would be pretty stupid in my view if it's Pearson/Moyes or someone else out of work to wait any longer now we are definitely down
I wouldn't.
I'm sick of new managers making their minds up on our squad where it's clear to everyone they are 85% arseholes who manage to put in a good couple of performances at the start of each managerial reign.
Whichever manager comes in, it needs to be on the understanding from the board that the senior pros who have caused problems this season or at the very least not performed are on their bike regardless - N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Hutton, Lescott, Richards, Guzan, Richardson. That much should be non-negotiable and is about 300k worth of weekly wages for them to rebuild with.
There's no way back for those mentioned with the fans, they are a symbol of this appalling squad and have to be got rid of. No making up of the new manager's mind to be done.
Hutton ?
I'm surprised as well that you mentioned Hutton. For all his shortcomings he ain't no trouble causer in my opinion
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
a new manager comes in everything starts from scratch, every player starts on a level playing field equal to one another
The new manager says what went on before is irelavent and everyone has been given another chance to prove to him they can force there way into the team
All sounds good, that's what happens with every new manager
I would rather him make his mind up to see what wastes of space we have in the next few games rather than doing it when it matters in the first few matches of a new season,
Because as we all know, many managers have tried with some of them to no avail, it's not going to change the new man needs to see that sooner rather than later
That's why it would be best to get a new man now instead of experimenting with Richardson and Gabby etc next season,
if the new man is at another club that's fair enough, but it would be pretty stupid in my view if it's Pearson/Moyes or someone else out of work to wait any longer now we are definitely down
I wouldn't.
I'm sick of new managers making their minds up on our squad where it's clear to everyone they are 85% arseholes who manage to put in a good couple of performances at the start of each managerial reign.
Whichever manager comes in, it needs to be on the understanding from the board that the senior pros who have caused problems this season or at the very least not performed are on their bike regardless - N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Hutton, Lescott, Richards, Guzan, Richardson. That much should be non-negotiable and is about 300k worth of weekly wages for them to rebuild with.
There's no way back for those mentioned with the fans, they are a symbol of this appalling squad and have to be got rid of. No making up of the new manager's mind to be done.
Hutton ?
Absolutely yes. How many years has he been here? How successful has he been? Running around a lot and kicking people occasionally doesn't make up for the number of goals he's cost us.
I wouldn't put him, Guzan or Richardson into the 'arsehole / troublemaker' category, but they very definitely go into the 'not peforrmed' category.
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I'm surprised as well that you mentioned Hutton. For all his shortcomings he ain't no trouble causer in my opinion
I didn't say he was. I said 'troublemaker or at the very least not performed'.
His shortcomings and poor performances are the reason we shouldn't be paying him his exorbitant wages next season.
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
a new manager comes in everything starts from scratch, every player starts on a level playing field equal to one another
The new manager says what went on before is irelavent and everyone has been given another chance to prove to him they can force there way into the team
All sounds good, that's what happens with every new manager
I would rather him make his mind up to see what wastes of space we have in the next few games rather than doing it when it matters in the first few matches of a new season,
Because as we all know, many managers have tried with some of them to no avail, it's not going to change the new man needs to see that sooner rather than later
That's why it would be best to get a new man now instead of experimenting with Richardson and Gabby etc next season,
if the new man is at another club that's fair enough, but it would be pretty stupid in my view if it's Pearson/Moyes or someone else out of work to wait any longer now we are definitely down
I wouldn't.
I'm sick of new managers making their minds up on our squad where it's clear to everyone they are 85% arseholes who manage to put in a good couple of performances at the start of each managerial reign.
Whichever manager comes in, it needs to be on the understanding from the board that the senior pros who have caused problems this season or at the very least not performed are on their bike regardless - N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Hutton, Lescott, Richards, Guzan, Richardson. That much should be non-negotiable and is about 300k worth of weekly wages for them to rebuild with.
There's no way back for those mentioned with the fans, they are a symbol of this appalling squad and have to be got rid of. No making up of the new manager's mind to be done.
I can't help the feeling we'll be paying some of that £300k regardless for a while yet. I have no qualms about kicking them out, but let's not confuse that with being rid of their financial burden.
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
a new manager comes in everything starts from scratch, every player starts on a level playing field equal to one another
The new manager says what went on before is irelavent and everyone has been given another chance to prove to him they can force there way into the team
All sounds good, that's what happens with every new manager
I would rather him make his mind up to see what wastes of space we have in the next few games rather than doing it when it matters in the first few matches of a new season,
Because as we all know, many managers have tried with some of them to no avail, it's not going to change the new man needs to see that sooner rather than later
That's why it would be best to get a new man now instead of experimenting with Richardson and Gabby etc next season,
if the new man is at another club that's fair enough, but it would be pretty stupid in my view if it's Pearson/Moyes or someone else out of work to wait any longer now we are definitely down
I wouldn't.
I'm sick of new managers making their minds up on our squad where it's clear to everyone they are 85% arseholes who manage to put in a good couple of performances at the start of each managerial reign.
Whichever manager comes in, it needs to be on the understanding from the board that the senior pros who have caused problems this season or at the very least not performed are on their bike regardless - N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Hutton, Lescott, Richards, Guzan, Richardson. That much should be non-negotiable and is about 300k worth of weekly wages for them to rebuild with.
There's no way back for those mentioned with the fans, they are a symbol of this appalling squad and have to be got rid of. No making up of the new manager's mind to be done.
Hutton ?
Absolutely yes. How many years has he been here? How successful has he been? Running around a lot and kicking people occasionally doesn't make up for the number of goals he's cost us.
I wouldn't put him, Guzan or Richardson into the 'arsehole / troublemaker' category, but they very definitely go into the 'not peforrmed' category.
So going back to your earlier point, you would wait till the end of the season even if the man we want is currently available
Then tell him this is the squad but your not making any decisions on players for now, we are going to tell you who we are going to get rid of because we know them better than you,
good luck with getting any sort of manager to work with that sort of interference
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
a new manager comes in everything starts from scratch, every player starts on a level playing field equal to one another
The new manager says what went on before is irelavent and everyone has been given another chance to prove to him they can force there way into the team
All sounds good, that's what happens with every new manager
I would rather him make his mind up to see what wastes of space we have in the next few games rather than doing it when it matters in the first few matches of a new season,
Because as we all know, many managers have tried with some of them to no avail, it's not going to change the new man needs to see that sooner rather than later
That's why it would be best to get a new man now instead of experimenting with Richardson and Gabby etc next season,
if the new man is at another club that's fair enough, but it would be pretty stupid in my view if it's Pearson/Moyes or someone else out of work to wait any longer now we are definitely down
I wouldn't.
I'm sick of new managers making their minds up on our squad where it's clear to everyone they are 85% arseholes who manage to put in a good couple of performances at the start of each managerial reign.
Whichever manager comes in, it needs to be on the understanding from the board that the senior pros who have caused problems this season or at the very least not performed are on their bike regardless - N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Hutton, Lescott, Richards, Guzan, Richardson. That much should be non-negotiable and is about 300k worth of weekly wages for them to rebuild with.
There's no way back for those mentioned with the fans, they are a symbol of this appalling squad and have to be got rid of. No making up of the new manager's mind to be done.
I can't help the feeling we'll be paying some of that £300k regardless for a while yet. I have no qualms about kicking them out, but let's not confuse that with being rid of their financial burden.
N'Zogbia and Richardson are off. There's bound to be someone stupid who will take Richards.
I expect that Gabby, Hutton and Lescott will all be in our Championship squad.
Guzan is probably a flip of a coin.
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So going back to your earlier point, you would wait till the end of the season even if the man we want is currently available
Then tell him this is the squad but your not making any decisions on players for now, we are going to tell you who we are going to get rid of because we know them better than you,
good luck with getting any sort of manager to work with that sort of interference
That's not what I said.
I said there is no rush to make an appointment. There is nothing to be learnt in the next five games that necessitates having someone in this week.
We should consider all options, including those that might not be available now but could be at the end of the season.
And I think you'll find that any manager with a working brain cell will understand that when a club is relegated, the higher earners will be leaving. In this case, that happily chimes with the fact that our higher earners are also our biggest problems.
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So going back to your earlier point, you would wait till the end of the season even if the man we want is currently available
Then tell him this is the squad but your not making any decisions on players for now, we are going to tell you who we are going to get rid of because we know them better than you,
good luck with getting any sort of manager to work with that sort of interference
That's not what I said.
I said there is no rush to make an appointment. There is nothing to be learnt in the next five games that necessitates having someone in this week.
We should consider all options, including those that might not be available now but could be at the end of the season.
And I think you'll find that any manager with a working brain cell will understand that when a club is relegated, the higher earners will be leaving. In this case, that happily chimes with the fact that our higher earners are also our biggest problems.
Sorry mate but it is what you said
i can only reply to what you wrote, and what you said is that that whatever manager comes in it must be on the CLEAR UNDERSTANDING that all the players the board don't fancy will be as you put it 'on their bike regardless'
and all I'm saying to be clear, is that if our new man is available now we should get him in so he will have more time to sort out the wheat from the chaff
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So going back to your earlier point, you would wait till the end of the season even if the man we want is currently available
Then tell him this is the squad but your not making any decisions on players for now, we are going to tell you who we are going to get rid of because we know them better than you,
good luck with getting any sort of manager to work with that sort of interference
That's not what I said.
I said there is no rush to make an appointment. There is nothing to be learnt in the next five games that necessitates having someone in this week.
We should consider all options, including those that might not be available now but could be at the end of the season.
And I think you'll find that any manager with a working brain cell will understand that when a club is relegated, the higher earners will be leaving. In this case, that happily chimes with the fact that our higher earners are also our biggest problems.
Sorry mate but it is what you said
i can only reply to what you wrote, and what you said is that that whatever manager comes in it must be on the CLEAR UNDERSTANDING that all the players the board don't fancy will be as you put it 'on their bike regardless'
and all I'm saying to be clear, is that if our new man is available now we should get him in so he will have more time to sort out the wheat from the chaff
No, it's not.
For example you paraphrased me as as saying 'you would wait till the end of the season even if the man we want is currently available'.
What I actually said in response to someone saying Pearson should be brought in to kick the wasters out now was this 'He can't, until the season is over. So why rush?'
Yours - surmising we have decided on an appointment.
Mine - saying we should take time in deciding on an appointment not rush into one now.
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
a new manager comes in everything starts from scratch, every player starts on a level playing field equal to one another
The new manager says what went on before is irelavent and everyone has been given another chance to prove to him they can force there way into the team
All sounds good, that's what happens with every new manager
I would rather him make his mind up to see what wastes of space we have in the next few games rather than doing it when it matters in the first few matches of a new season,
Because as we all know, many managers have tried with some of them to no avail, it's not going to change the new man needs to see that sooner rather than later
That's why it would be best to get a new man now instead of experimenting with Richardson and Gabby etc next season,
if the new man is at another club that's fair enough, but it would be pretty stupid in my view if it's Pearson/Moyes or someone else out of work to wait any longer now we are definitely down
I wouldn't.
I'm sick of new managers making their minds up on our squad where it's clear to everyone they are 85% arseholes who manage to put in a good couple of performances at the start of each managerial reign.
Whichever manager comes in, it needs to be on the understanding from the board that the senior pros who have caused problems this season or at the very least not performed are on their bike regardless - N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Hutton, Lescott, Richards, Guzan, Richardson. That much should be non-negotiable and is about 300k worth of weekly wages for them to rebuild with.
There's no way back for those mentioned with the fans, they are a symbol of this appalling squad and have to be got rid of. No making up of the new manager's mind to be done.
I can't help the feeling we'll be paying some of that £300k regardless for a while yet. I have no qualms about kicking them out, but let's not confuse that with being rid of their financial burden.
N'Zogbia and Richardson are off. There's bound to be someone stupid who will take Richards.
I expect that Gabby, Hutton and Lescott will all be in our Championship squad.
Guzan is probably a flip of a coin.
He will drop the coin
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If Guzan stays he will be playing LB. There will be no goal keeping ability left in him by August.
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If Guzan stays he will be playing LB. There will be no goal keeping ability left in him by August.
Another bloody full back who can't kick the ball in the right direction. Perfect.
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lets just get pearson in now , so he can kick these wasters out of the club
He can't though, until the season is over. So why rush?
a new manager comes in everything starts from scratch, every player starts on a level playing field equal to one another
The new manager says what went on before is irelavent and everyone has been given another chance to prove to him they can force there way into the team
All sounds good, that's what happens with every new manager
I would rather him make his mind up to see what wastes of space we have in the next few games rather than doing it when it matters in the first few matches of a new season,
Because as we all know, many managers have tried with some of them to no avail, it's not going to change the new man needs to see that sooner rather than later
That's why it would be best to get a new man now instead of experimenting with Richardson and Gabby etc next season,
if the new man is at another club that's fair enough, but it would be pretty stupid in my view if it's Pearson/Moyes or someone else out of work to wait any longer now we are definitely down
I wouldn't.
I'm sick of new managers making their minds up on our squad where it's clear to everyone they are 85% arseholes who manage to put in a good couple of performances at the start of each managerial reign.
Whichever manager comes in, it needs to be on the understanding from the board that the senior pros who have caused problems this season or at the very least not performed are on their bike regardless - N'Zogbia, Agbonlahor, Hutton, Lescott, Richards, Guzan, Richardson. That much should be non-negotiable and is about 300k worth of weekly wages for them to rebuild with.
There's no way back for those mentioned with the fans, they are a symbol of this appalling squad and have to be got rid of. No making up of the new manager's mind to be done.
I can't help the feeling we'll be paying some of that £300k regardless for a while yet. I have no qualms about kicking them out, but let's not confuse that with being rid of their financial burden.
N'Zogbia and Richardson are off. There's bound to be someone stupid who will take Richards.
I expect that Gabby, Hutton and Lescott will all be in our Championship squad.
Guzan is probably a flip of a coin.
Is Richardson out of contract? Bonus if he is, but those that go will likely receive pay offs or be on loan where we end up still paying them. They've been so bad clubs will know we want rid, making our negotiating point weaker. Just can't see many where the buying club will pay a fee and pay them what we are.
Makes me sick.
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Yes - Richardson & N'Zogbia both out of contract.
Try to hold back your tears.
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NZ has been a right success for us considering the money he has cost us. Fuckin criminal really. The fucker should be done for fraud.
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Might be an old story, but, Ruud Gullet has thrown his hat into the ring now
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If Guzan stays he will be playing LB. There will be no goal keeping ability left in him by August.
I can honestly see him going back to the MLS.
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If Guzan stays he will be playing LB. There will be no goal keeping ability left in him by August.
I can honestly see him going back to the MLS.
I think him and Lescott will end up there.
Nice wedge of cash, good weather, they can sit and spit gum as much as they want. Everyone's a winner.
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Pity they can't play at Wrigley Field.
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Been some money for Moyes today. Paddy power pushed him out to 10's but he's been cut to 4's
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That was me hedging my Southgate bet.
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Can we please just get Pearson in tomorrow & start the rebuilding job as soon as possible!
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Been some money for Moyes today. Paddy power pushed him out to 10's but he's been cut to 4's
Possibly on the back of an article in today´s Express ( yes, I know ! ) saying that " the club are promising Moyes hefty funds in the summer to ensure an immediate return to the Premier League" . As opposed to another rag saying Randy has put a freeze on hiring due to budget constraints...or some such bollox...!.....Godzvilla!
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Come on admit it, who voted for Mick McCarthy?
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Come on admit it, who voted for Mick McCarthy?
Mick McCarthy but I don't know what name he is using on here.
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I can't understand why Pearson is not in place already.
The love for Moyes is perplexing, he is long out of the Championship , failed in Spain and at United and has no Midlands football contacts
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Come on admit it, who voted for Mick McCarthy?
Mick McCarthy but I don't know what name he is using on here.
I just wanted the gif
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and has no Midlands football contacts
Why is that a problem and how do you know he hasn't?
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Come on admit it, who voted for Mick McCarthy?
Not even Mick McCarthy thinks he'd get it.
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I can't understand why Pearson is not in place already.
The love for Moyes is perplexing, he is long out of the Championship , failed in Spain and at United and has no Midlands football contacts
I agree gaz , Mick mc Carthy is better qualified than moyes for the job as he has got a club promoted to the prem in the past , I dont care if moyes done alright in the prem with Everton. We are not in the prem We need a manager to get us promoted ASAP , Cross the prem bridge if or when we come to it
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I can't understand why Pearson is not in place already.
The love for Moyes is perplexing, he is long out of the Championship , failed in Spain and at United and has no Midlands football contacts
I agree gaz , Mick mc Carthy is better qualified than moyes for the job as he has got a club promoted to the prem in the past , I dont care if moyes done alright in the prem with Everton. We are not in the prem We need a manager to get us promoted ASAP , Cross the prem bridge if or when we come to it
But if promotion to the premier is the most important factor, Alex McLeish, Paul Lambert, Neil Warnock, Micky Adams, Adie Boothroyd and Paul Jewell are good options.
I'd much prefer us just to appoint a good manager.
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I can't understand why Pearson is not in place already.
The love for Moyes is perplexing, he is long out of the Championship , failed in Spain and at United and has no Midlands football contacts
I agree gaz , Mick mc Carthy is better qualified than moyes for the job as he has got a club promoted to the prem in the past , I dont care if moyes done alright in the prem with Everton. We are not in the prem We need a manager to get us promoted ASAP , Cross the prem bridge if or when we come to it
But if promotion to the premier is the most important factor, Alex McLeish, Paul Lambert, Neil Warnock, Micky Adams, Adie Boothroyd and Paul Jewell are good options.
I'd much prefer us just to appoint a good manager.
I believe it is the most important factor , no point appointing ex managers but i would put bruce , mcarthy or dyche in the job ahead of moyes
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McCarthy ahead of Moyes? Seriously?!
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McCarthy ahead of Moyes? Seriously?!
In a best football GIF competition, yes. As a manager, hell no.
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I can't understand why Pearson is not in place already.
The love for Moyes is perplexing, he is long out of the Championship , failed in Spain and at United and has no Midlands football contacts
I agree gaz , Mick mc Carthy is better qualified than moyes for the job as he has got a club promoted to the prem in the past , I dont care if moyes done alright in the prem with Everton. We are not in the prem We need a manager to get us promoted ASAP , Cross the prem bridge if or when we come to it
But if promotion to the premier is the most important factor, Alex McLeish, Paul Lambert, Neil Warnock, Micky Adams, Adie Boothroyd and Paul Jewell are good options.
I'd much prefer us just to appoint a good manager.
I believe it is the most important factor , no point appointing ex managers but i would put bruce , mcarthy or dyche in the job ahead of moyes
Wow.
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I can't understand why Pearson is not in place already.
The love for Moyes is perplexing, he is long out of the Championship , failed in Spain and at United and has no Midlands football contacts
I agree gaz , Mick mc Carthy is better qualified than moyes for the job as he has got a club promoted to the prem in the past , I dont care if moyes done alright in the prem with Everton. We are not in the prem We need a manager to get us promoted ASAP , Cross the prem bridge if or when we come to it
It is short term thinking that is partly responsible for our plight. If we get promoted with a squad not up to the task of competing in the PL then we will come straight back down. Of course promotion has to be the main focus but it cannot be with a "cross that bridge when we come to it" approach to what happens next.
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Spot on Chris. Moyes has proven himself to take a poor side to survival and build it over time to a sustainable one. Pearson has shown himself to have 19 points after 29 games with a side that are now about to win the league 12 months on.
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Spot on Chris. Moyes has proven himself to take a poor side to survival and build it over time to a sustainable one. Pearson has shown himself to have 19 points after 29 games with a side that are now about to win the league 12 months on.
moyes hasnt managed a side to promotion , we need a manager that has
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He has.
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Spot on Chris. Moyes has proven himself to take a poor side to survival and build it over time to a sustainable one. Pearson has shown himself to have 19 points after 29 games with a side that are now about to win the league 12 months on.
moyes hasnt managed a side to promotion , we need a manager that has
Alex Ferguson's only promotion was from the Scottish second division. Bob Paisley didn't even achieve that. Graham Turner managed it though.
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He has.
not from championship to premier league
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Spot on Chris. Moyes has proven himself to take a poor side to survival and build it over time to a sustainable one. Pearson has shown himself to have 19 points after 29 games with a side that are now about to win the league 12 months on.
moyes hasnt managed a side to promotion , we need a manager that has
Alex Ferguson's only promotion was from the Scottish second division. Bob Paisley didn't even achieve that. Graham Turner managed it though.
fergie and paisley never managed sides in the championship , or the old 2nd
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Spot on Chris. Moyes has proven himself to take a poor side to survival and build it over time to a sustainable one. Pearson has shown himself to have 19 points after 29 games with a side that are now about to win the league 12 months on.
moyes hasnt managed a side to promotion , we need a manager that has
Alex Ferguson's only promotion was from the Scottish second division. Bob Paisley didn't even achieve that. Graham Turner managed it though.
fergie and paisley never managed sides in the championship , or the old 2nd
Thanks for pointing that one out. It had clean slipped my mind.
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Spot on Chris. Moyes has proven himself to take a poor side to survival and build it over time to a sustainable one. Pearson has shown himself to have 19 points after 29 games with a side that are now about to win the league 12 months on.
moyes hasnt managed a side to promotion , we need a manager that has
Alex Ferguson's only promotion was from the Scottish second division. Bob Paisley didn't even achieve that. Graham Turner managed it though.
fergie and paisley never managed sides in the championship , or the old 2nd
Thanks for pointing that one out. It had clean slipped my mind.
obviously
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Spot on Chris. Moyes has proven himself to take a poor side to survival and build it over time to a sustainable one. Pearson has shown himself to have 19 points after 29 games with a side that are now about to win the league 12 months on.
moyes hasnt managed a side to promotion , we need a manager that has
Alex Ferguson's only promotion was from the Scottish second division. Bob Paisley didn't even achieve that. Graham Turner managed it though.
fergie and paisley never managed sides in the championship , or the old 2nd
Thanks for pointing that one out. It had clean slipped my mind.
obviously
I think something just went clean over your head.
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I can't understand why Pearson is not in place already.
The love for Moyes is perplexing, he is long out of the Championship , failed in Spain and at United and has no Midlands football contacts
I agree gaz , Mick mc Carthy is better qualified than moyes for the job as he has got a club promoted to the prem in the past , I dont care if moyes done alright in the prem with Everton. We are not in the prem We need a manager to get us promoted ASAP , Cross the prem bridge if or when we come to it
It is short term thinking that is partly responsible for our plight. If we get promoted with a squad not up to the task of competing in the PL then we will come straight back down. Of course promotion has to be the main focus but it cannot be with a "cross that bridge when we come to it" approach to what happens next.
Agree Chris. I think we should be thinking with at least the next three years in mind. Ideally that will be one year in the Championship and two in the Premier League. We should not only be thinking about going up, but about staying up and progressing from there.
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Whoever took over from Ferguson was going to look like a failure, how much has Van Gaal spent since Moyes to make Man United look very ordinary? I can't believe anybody really thinks that Villa would be better off with Bruce or McCarthy than Moyes. If Moyes is showing the slightest interest in taking the job they should act fast and give him what he wants because we aren't going to get better.
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I can't understand why Pearson is not in place already.
The love for Moyes is perplexing, he is long out of the Championship , failed in Spain and at United and has no Midlands football contacts
I agree gaz , Mick mc Carthy is better qualified than moyes for the job as he has got a club promoted to the prem in the past , I dont care if moyes done alright in the prem with Everton. We are not in the prem We need a manager to get us promoted ASAP , Cross the prem bridge if or when we come to it
It is short term thinking that is partly responsible for our plight. If we get promoted with a squad not up to the task of competing in the PL then we will come straight back down. Of course promotion has to be the main focus but it cannot be with a "cross that bridge when we come to it" approach to what happens next.
Agree Chris. I think we should be thinking with at least the next three years in mind. Ideally that will be one year in the Championship and two in the Premier League. We should not only be thinking about going up, but about staying up and progressing from there.
Thats fair enough Tom , I am not knocking moyes , i am sure he would do a good job for us in the prem , just not sure if he is the man capable of getting us there
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Surely on a wind up. Moyes is the stand out choice. Pearson is average and is only being mentioned because of his connection to the current probable league champions, even though it wasn't HIM who put them there. Nice though that he cane dine off that for years to come. McCarthy? Laughable suggestion as a more qualified manager.
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I just think we need a good manager full stop. We all know that the problem is with the players and we need someone in who can shift the dead wood and attract a better class of player, hopefully with our esteemed leader providing a decent transfer budget
My choice of manager would be Michael Laudrup .... He did a good job at Swansea till he rowed with the chairman and was useful in the transfer market. Why not? Better than many names mentioned
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We need to do what it takes to get the best / most experienced manager available - Moyes
Someone who will command the respect of the players - Moyes
Someone who will re-unite the fans and players - Moyes
Our current situation is identical to that in 1987.
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We need to do what it takes to get the best / most experienced manager available - Moyes
Someone who will command the respect of the players - Moyes
Someone who will re-unite the fans and players - Moyes
Our current situation is identical to that in 1987.
Sorry to repeat myself, but we need unity on and off the pitch and the only realistic choice who will get that is Moyes.
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We need to do what it takes to get the best / most experienced manager available - Moyes
Someone who will command the respect of the players - Moyes
Someone who will re-unite the fans and players - Moyes
Our current situation is identical to that in 1987.
Sorry to repeat myself, but we need unity on and off the pitch and the only realistic choice who will get that is Moyes.
Let's hope that this happens. Soon.
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Managed League 1 Champions Swansea
Won the FA Cup with Wigan
Got relegated and went to Everton
~ now fans are turning against him.
If,now that kenwood's influence is tempered at Goodsison, IF he did go at season'e end
- it could be Roberto Martinez.
Never a huge spender, which might appeal to some up top. :D
On 10 June 2011, it was announced that Martínez had turned down an approach from Aston Villa regarding their vacant managerial position
~ stranger things have happened.
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If the club genuinely don't know who the next manager is then it won't be Pearson as they would have approached him and his representatives by now and agreed a date to start. moyes would probably be holding out for a bigger job and unless he's 100% behind it for the long-term I'd worry about his motivation in the championship. there wouldn't be many managers that would drop a division from where they should normally be managing and if he were appointed then I think it would be a sure sign that he has been promised money and a degree of freedom, but without the total freedom O'Neill had.
For those reasons I doubt it would be Moyes. i also doubt he's the only name that could unite everyone. Winning unites more than anything.
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The independent reckon Pearson is holding out too for a premier league job seeing himself as above coming to us and make Bruce favourite.
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The independent reckon Pearson is holding out too for a premier league job seeing himself as above coming to us and make Bruce favourite.
I didn't interpret the article like that - certainly Pearson might be holding out for a Premier League offer just in case, but nowhere did the article say he thought he was 'above coming to us'.
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The independent reckon Pearson is holding out too for a premier league job seeing himself as above coming to us and make Bruce favourite.
I didn't interpret the article like that - certainly Pearson might be holding out for a Premier League offer just in case, but nowhere did the article say he thought he was 'above coming to us'.
If he is holding out for a premier league job and making us wait, it implies that he thinks he is better than where we are heading at the moment though surely? Otherwise he would come. It is conjecture as to whether he is actually number 1 choice and offered it, but basically they are suggesting he is doing what Moyes is being thought to be doing and holding out.
I would quite like it if it is us that is holding out for someone like Dyche come May.
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Now that the benchmark of automatic promotion has been set, let's see who has the balls to step up to the mantle.
The list of potential managers is deeply depressing but hopefully we'll find somebody that believes in their own capability that combined with the support they'll get from our new board, will be willing to put their reputation on the line.
We need more than a name, a statement, somebody that will more than kick our wasters, what we need is somebody that will get us all believing again. We talk about us being a big club but we're only as big as those that support us. We may next season be playing in the Championship but if we find the right leader, we'll be more than fine.
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One thing I am quite sure of is that if the new manager whoever it may be buys a winger one who has speed skill and can cross a ball with accuracy then Gestede and Ayew will provide the goals we need.If Moyes isn't prepared to come shortly we must get Pearson in and let him get on with it.
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Bob Martin can fuck off.
After reading Hollis's comments about New manager search I'm feeling a bit more confident. I don't want Bruce
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The fact that it's taking more time than some anticipated might point towards a manager in a job already (been mentioned before on this thread)
If that's the case I think it could be one of three: Bruce, Dyche or Hughton. An outside bet would be Big Fat Sam.
Disclaimer.
The views mentioned above are not necessarily the views of the author
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I personally feel they or whoever is coming in wanted to wait until relegation was confirmed, although I know it's not going to make much difference. However if they've purposely taken their time over it rather than rushing into it, then that's fine as well. It needs to be right.
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Kind of but I think the timeline is more wait for the season to finish. Going in now won't really help matters for the incoming manager. If we know who we want and he's agreed he's likely to be watching games now ahead of next season if he's not already in a job. His new coaches will give him reports of the academy players and if not in a job he may have been to a reserve game. On top of that it won't take any manager long to suss out what you have and what you need from not only training sessions but just watching us. I don't see the need to rush in.
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Kind of but I think the timeline is more wait for the season to finish. Going in now won't really help matters for the incoming manager. If we know who we want and he's agreed he's likely to be watching games now ahead of next season if he's not already in a job. His new coaches will give him reports of the academy players and if not in a job he may have been to a reserve game. On top of that it won't take any manager long to suss out what you have and what you need from not only training sessions but just watching us. I don't see the need to rush in.
Maybe there's already some poor sod sat somewhere watching all the dvds of our games this season. Bottle of whiskey, head in hands....
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Kind of but I think the timeline is more wait for the season to finish. Going in now won't really help matters for the incoming manager. If we know who we want and he's agreed he's likely to be watching games now ahead of next season if he's not already in a job. His new coaches will give him reports of the academy players and if not in a job he may have been to a reserve game. On top of that it won't take any manager long to suss out what you have and what you need from not only training sessions but just watching us. I don't see the need to rush in.
Maybe there's already some poor sod sat somewhere watching all the dvds of our games this season. Bottle of whiskey, head in hands....
This ! ( made me chuckle ) ....................Godzvilla!
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Pearson is now odds on at the bookies and Moyes 12/1 (at Corals). Moyes is odds on for the Celtic job.
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Apparently Moyes is interested but not been contacted according to Pat Murphy
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Apparently Moyes is interested but not been contacted according to Pat Murphy
Someone had better get on the blower to him then.
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From the BBC...
David Moyes is interested in the Aston Villa manager's job but has not yet been contacted by the club.
Nearly six months after being sacked by Real Sociedad, Moyes is keen to get back into football and is attracted by the challenge of reviving Aston Villa.
He has seen them live recently and would be receptive to talks. But he's aware doubts over next season's budget at the club could delay the process.
Nigel Pearson remains the bookies' favourite and there is also backing for Mick McCarthy,Sean Dyche and Steve Bruce - but Moyes was approached by Villa last autumn after Tim Sherwood was sacked.
Moyes was still at Real Sociedad when Villa's Head of Recruitment Paddy Riley flew over for talks. Moyes asked pointed questions about the quality of the 12 players Riley had helped bring in at a cost of £55m and the talks did not progress very far.
Villa's football board will concentrate this week on their short list of candidates after relegation was confirmed on Saturday. Moyes is certain to be on that list.
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Serious point though - would Moyes given the choice between us and Newcastle choose us?
Both are hard to manage but I think Villa is a bigger challenge to get them promoted next season.
I think Sunderland and Norwich will keep hold of their managers regardless outcome.
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From the BBC...
David Moyes is interested in the Aston Villa manager's job but has not yet been contacted by the club.
Nearly six months after being sacked by Real Sociedad, Moyes is keen to get back into football and is attracted by the challenge of reviving Aston Villa.
He has seen them live recently and would be receptive to talks. But he's aware doubts over next season's budget at the club could delay the process.
Nigel Pearson remains the bookies' favourite and there is also backing for Mick McCarthy,Sean Dyche and Steve Bruce - but Moyes was approached by Villa last autumn after Tim Sherwood was sacked.
Moyes was still at Real Sociedad when Villa's Head of Recruitment Paddy Riley flew over for talks. Moyes asked pointed questions about the quality of the 12 players Riley had helped bring in at a cost of £55m and the talks did not progress very far.
Villa's football board will concentrate this week on their short list of candidates after relegation was confirmed on Saturday. Moyes is certain to be on that list.
Fucking unbelievable. Just when you think the Boardroom are getting some credibility back.
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Moyes asked pointed questions about the quality of the 12 players Riley had helped bring in at a cost of £55m and the talks did not progress very far.
Do people still say 'LOL'? If so, LOL.
DM: "So, tell me about Gestede and Veretout, how are they settling in?"
PR: "Look, a squirrel!"
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Moyes asked pointed questions about the quality of the 12 players Riley had helped bring in at a cost of £55m and the talks did not progress very far.
Do people still say 'LOL'? If so, LOL.
DM: "So, tell me about Gestede and Veretout, how are they settling in?"
PR: "Look, a squirrel!"
I'm surprised Riley is still at the club. He must have photos of someone high up at the Villa.
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Apparently Moyes is interested but not been contacted according to Pat Murphy
Someone had better get on the blower to him then.
Maybe we're waiting for Randy to sanction our outgoing telephone call budget? Meanwhile, in an executive teepee in the Catskills...
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Kind of but I think the timeline is more wait for the season to finish. Going in now won't really help matters for the incoming manager. If we know who we want and he's agreed he's likely to be watching games now ahead of next season if he's not already in a job. His new coaches will give him reports of the academy players and if not in a job he may have been to a reserve game. On top of that it won't take any manager long to suss out what you have and what you need from not only training sessions but just watching us. I don't see the need to rush in.
Maybe there's already some poor sod sat somewhere watching all the dvds of our games this season. Bottle of whiskey, head in hands....
That must count as a fetish. Deviants.
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How many times is the Board going to start working on its shortlist of candidates - this is the 5th time they are going to start doing it by my reckoning.
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But worrying that it was reported weeks ago that Moyes would be interested, yet supposedly nobody has contacted him yet.
Wasn't the whole point of getting rid of Garde so early to speed up this process?
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In fairness I think Garde went because he wanted to go, otherwise it would have waited till May. Since then you don't know if the delay has been finishing the review etc, but we need to get on with it now, especially if a manager like Moyes is interested, just sort it out and if it entails sacking Reilly, sack him!
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As long as he is committed, identifies the players that are remaining and gets them motivated, identifies players we need and be allowed to get them, gel the whole team and have them play with passion and belief.
If that's Pearson, Moyes or a.n.other I really don't care.
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But worrying that it was reported weeks ago that Moyes would be interested, yet supposedly nobody has contacted him yet.
Wasn't the whole point of getting rid of Garde so early to speed up this process?
The story last Wednesday was that they had just drawn up the shortlist.
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As long as he is committed, identifies the players that are remaining and gets them motivated, identifies players we need and be allowed to get them, gel the whole team and have them play with passion and belief.
If that's Pearson, Moyes or a.n.other I really don't care.
Is the correct answer!
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That work rate for each other is so true. Watching Sunderland, Leicester, Liverpool the other night, the togetherness and team spirit is obvious. Watching us it is just so clearly missing. Not good at all.
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How many times is the Board going to start working on its shortlist of candidates - this is the 5th time they are going to start doing it by my reckoning.
Then they'll probably have to fly to America to get Randy to approve the list.
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How many times is the Board going to start working on its shortlist of candidates - this is the 5th time they are going to start doing it by my reckoning.
Then they'll probably have to fly to America to get Randy to approve the list.
It would be naive in the extreme to think that the likes of Bernstein and Little have not already had extensive conversations about candidates. The discussion now is hopefully about actively recruiting the preferred candidate.
The worry is that - despite putting in place a credible Board, appointing an executive Chairman and declaring not to have much interest these days - Lerner insists on having an active executive role.
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That work rate for each other is so true. Watching Sunderland, Leicester, Liverpool the other night, the togetherness and team spirit is obvious. Watching us it is just so clearly missing. Not good at all.
I know we are shit but Sunderland are in a mess and have been for few years. They may survive but will be no better next season. Liverpool had blown the match and were let back in by a opposition melt down. Leicester I predict will be involved in a relegation scrap next season.
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It's amazing though how much gets made up in the media. Garde left the club weeks ago, and on the one hand we haven't started to discuss the potential new manager, and on the other there is media speculation daily on who is now the favourite to take the job. If we haven't started to discuss it surely then nobody is favourite because nobody knows who they might be discussing.
I think it's a little nuts for anyone to think over the past few weeks it had gone unnoticed by those at the club we actually don't have a permanent manager and that they will only start to discuss it this week. I imagine over tea and biscuits one morning since Garde left at least one of the board had it on their agenda to bring up.
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Managed League 1 Champions Swansea
Won the FA Cup with Wigan
Got relegated and went to Everton
~ now fans are turning against him.
If,now that kenwood's influence is tempered at Goodsison, IF he did go at season'e end
- it could be Roberto Martinez.
Never a huge spender, which might appeal to some up top. :D
On 10 June 2011, it was announced that Martínez had turned down an approach from Aston Villa regarding their vacant managerial position
~ stranger things have happened.
If we weren't good enough for him then were not good enough for him now, he would feel psychologically that he was "doing us a favour" by coming here - no thanks.
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That work rate for each other is so true. Watching Sunderland, Leicester, Liverpool the other night, the togetherness and team spirit is obvious. Watching us it is just so clearly missing. Not good at all.
I know we are shit but Sunderland are in a mess and have been for few years. They may survive but will be no better next season. Liverpool had blown the match and were let back in by a opposition melt down. Leicester I predict will be involved in a relegation scrap next season.
Disagree. I think they will noticeably improve under Allardyce if they stay up. They actually look a fairly decent side at the moment (that Kirchoff has been an inspired signing) and only Man City and Leicester have beaten them in the last ten games.
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Allardyce has done a good job taking a defence that we have battered a few times over the past few years and made them immediately more resolute. If there is anything that we needed Garde to do is make us harder to score against and he failed horribly at that. Having to score 2 to win is a damn sight easier than having to score 4 or 5. And that's just to get a draw at times with us.
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That work rate for each other is so true. Watching Sunderland, Leicester, Liverpool the other night, the togetherness and team spirit is obvious. Watching us it is just so clearly missing. Not good at all.
I know we are shit but Sunderland are in a mess and have been for few years. They may survive but will be no better next season. Liverpool had blown the match and were let back in by a opposition melt down. Leicester I predict will be involved in a relegation scrap next season.
Disagree. I think they will noticeably improve under Allardyce if they stay up. They actually look a fairly decent side at the moment (that Kirchoff has been an inspired signing) and only Man City and Leicester have beaten them in the last ten games.
I agree, and it is obvious the are playing for each other. Kone looks a good signing too. The point is there though, that they have found a togetherness that has helped them pick up points from a place where they were in a similar position to us at the turn of the year. They are not a more talented side, they just have a lot more fight, and a manager that knows how to grind out results.
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That work rate for each other is so true. Watching Sunderland, Leicester, Liverpool the other night, the togetherness and team spirit is obvious. Watching us it is just so clearly missing. Not good at all.
I know we are shit but Sunderland are in a mess and have been for few years. They may survive but will be no better next season. Liverpool had blown the match and were let back in by a opposition melt down. Leicester I predict will be involved in a relegation scrap next season.
Disagree. I think they will noticeably improve under Allardyce if they stay up. They actually look a fairly decent side at the moment (that Kirchoff has been an inspired signing) and only Man City and Leicester have beaten them in the last ten games.
I agree, and it is obvious the are playing for each other. Kone looks a good signing too. The point is there though, that they have found a togetherness that has helped them pick up points from a place where they were in a similar position to us at the turn of the year. They are not a more talented side, they just have a lot more fight, and a manager that knows how to grind out results.
How much of that togetherness starts with the manager? I know things were shit behind the scenes but how much of the lack of unity came down to the man management tactics employed by the manager? There was as story from the weekend how Allardyce got into it with the Norwich players to defend his and that it had a real galvanising affect. Those things are all short term but at the time he did it, right before a game it clearly got a very positive reaction. While the players are ultimately accountable did Garde ever get his players to truly buy into the things he was looking to do and did he inspire any of them?
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How many times is the Board going to start working on its shortlist of candidates - this is the 5th time they are going to start doing it by my reckoning.
Then they'll probably have to fly to America to get Randy to approve the list.
It would be naive in the extreme to think that the likes of Bernstein and Little have not already had extensive conversations about candidates. The discussion now is hopefully about actively recruiting the preferred candidate.
The worry is that - despite putting in place a credible Board, appointing an executive Chairman and declaring not to have much interest these days - Lerner insists on having an active executive role.
That's not the problem - the fact that Lerner will insist on the need to cut costs is the problem. The new manager will have meager funds to spend and that is a deeply worrying situation, given the total overhaul needed.
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As long as he is committed, identifies the players that are remaining and gets them motivated, identifies players we need and be allowed to get them, gel the whole team and have them play with passion and belief.
If that's Pearson, Moyes or a.n.other I really don't care.
Is the correct answer!
Absolutely. I don't believe a winning manager will divide the fans. As I said before, if the Villa fans can love MON, they can love anybody.
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Moyes wouldn't be my first choice but I would take him over Pearson, let alone over Mick McCarthy.
It would also resolve what has basically been our managerial Robbie Keane - he's been linked with the job for such a long time, we might as well.
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That work rate for each other is so true. Watching Sunderland, Leicester, Liverpool the other night, the togetherness and team spirit is obvious. Watching us it is just so clearly missing. Not good at all.
I know we are shit but Sunderland are in a mess and have been for few years. They may survive but will be no better next season. Liverpool had blown the match and were let back in by a opposition melt down. Leicester I predict will be involved in a relegation scrap next season.
Disagree. I think they will noticeably improve under Allardyce if they stay up. They actually look a fairly decent side at the moment (that Kirchoff has been an inspired signing) and only Man City and Leicester have beaten them in the last ten games.
I agree, and it is obvious the are playing for each other. Kone looks a good signing too. The point is there though, that they have found a togetherness that has helped them pick up points from a place where they were in a similar position to us at the turn of the year. They are not a more talented side, they just have a lot more fight, and a manager that knows how to grind out results.
How much of that togetherness starts with the manager? I know things were shit behind the scenes but how much of the lack of unity came down to the man management tactics employed by the manager? There was as story from the weekend how Allardyce got into it with the Norwich players to defend his and that it had a real galvanising affect. Those things are all short term but at the time he did it, right before a game it clearly got a very positive reaction. While the players are ultimately accountable did Garde ever get his players to truly buy into the things he was looking to do and did he inspire any of them?
I would say only once or twice, at home against Palace and West Ham, did we ever look like we are together, biting into the tackle and giving it all for each other.
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How many times is the Board going to start working on its shortlist of candidates - this is the 5th time they are going to start doing it by my reckoning.
Then they'll probably have to fly to America to get Randy to approve the list.
It would be naive in the extreme to think that the likes of Bernstein and Little have not already had extensive conversations about candidates. The discussion now is hopefully about actively recruiting the preferred candidate.
The worry is that - despite putting in place a credible Board, appointing an executive Chairman and declaring not to have much interest these days - Lerner insists on having an active executive role.
That's not the problem - the fact that Lerner will insist on the need to cut costs is the problem. The new manager will have meager funds to spend and that is a deeply worrying situation, given the total overhaul needed.
meagre funds....like Swansea, Leicester, Everton, Southampton, Watford, Bournemouth have all had to put up with in recent times?
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I'm more worried about getting a manager i don't want than thinking about one I do fancy
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How many times is the Board going to start working on its shortlist of candidates - this is the 5th time they are going to start doing it by my reckoning.
Then they'll probably have to fly to America to get Randy to approve the list.
It would be naive in the extreme to think that the likes of Bernstein and Little have not already had extensive conversations about candidates. The discussion now is hopefully about actively recruiting the preferred candidate.
The worry is that - despite putting in place a credible Board, appointing an executive Chairman and declaring not to have much interest these days - Lerner insists on having an active executive role.
That's not the problem - the fact that Lerner will insist on the need to cut costs is the problem. The new manager will have meager funds to spend and that is a deeply worrying situation, given the total overhaul needed.
meagre funds....like Swansea, Leicester, Everton, Southampton, Watford, Bournemouth have all had to put up with in recent times?
very likely
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How many times is the Board going to start working on its shortlist of candidates - this is the 5th time they are going to start doing it by my reckoning.
Then they'll probably have to fly to America to get Randy to approve the list.
It would be naive in the extreme to think that the likes of Bernstein and Little have not already had extensive conversations about candidates. The discussion now is hopefully about actively recruiting the preferred candidate.
The worry is that - despite putting in place a credible Board, appointing an executive Chairman and declaring not to have much interest these days - Lerner insists on having an active executive role.
That's not the problem - the fact that Lerner will insist on the need to cut costs is the problem. The new manager will have meager funds to spend and that is a deeply worrying situation, given the total overhaul needed.
meagre funds....like Swansea, Leicester, Everton, Southampton, Watford, Bournemouth have all had to put up with in recent times?
None of them needed the overhaul we do. But let's just watch. The new manager is going to disappoint I assure you, because their hands will be tied.
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From the BBC...
David Moyes is interested in the Aston Villa manager's job but has not yet been contacted by the club.
Nearly six months after being sacked by Real Sociedad, Moyes is keen to get back into football and is attracted by the challenge of reviving Aston Villa.
He has seen them live recently and would be receptive to talks. But he's aware doubts over next season's budget at the club could delay the process.
Nigel Pearson remains the bookies' favourite and there is also backing for Mick McCarthy,Sean Dyche and Steve Bruce - but Moyes was approached by Villa last autumn after Tim Sherwood was sacked.
Moyes was still at Real Sociedad when Villa's Head of Recruitment Paddy Riley flew over for talks. Moyes asked pointed questions about the quality of the 12 players Riley had helped bring in at a cost of £55m and the talks did not progress very far.
Villa's football board will concentrate this week on their short list of candidates after relegation was confirmed on Saturday. Moyes is certain to be on that list.
Fucking unbelievable. Just when you think the Boardroom are getting some credibility back.
Yes, lets have a f¤¤king heart attack because another journalist has had another guess at what's happening.
There must be as many different stories and interpretations of the lack of facts as there are media outlets.
There are only 3 facts as we stand.
1. We're trying to turn around a decades worth of off-field mismanagement.
2. We're relegated.
3. We're in the market for a new manager.
Everything else is an uncomfortable mix of guess work, supposition and blatant shit stirring. Albeit Murphy carries considerably more credibility than someone like Gregg Evans.
There's nothing suggesting that they've approached anyone at all, or that Moyes has been approached by anyone else. Maybe the board are doing their due diligence on this one, plenty of people on here have raised questions around Moyes' suitability with varying degrees of credibility, so it's not unreasonable to hope/expect/think that the board is doing it's job properly and really going through it with a fine tooth comb. After all, it's only the most important appointment at the club in 29 years.
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From the BBC...
David Moyes is interested in the Aston Villa manager's job but has not yet been contacted by the club.
Nearly six months after being sacked by Real Sociedad, Moyes is keen to get back into football and is attracted by the challenge of reviving Aston Villa.
He has seen them live recently and would be receptive to talks. But he's aware doubts over next season's budget at the club could delay the process.
Nigel Pearson remains the bookies' favourite and there is also backing for Mick McCarthy,Sean Dyche and Steve Bruce - but Moyes was approached by Villa last autumn after Tim Sherwood was sacked.
Moyes was still at Real Sociedad when Villa's Head of Recruitment Paddy Riley flew over for talks. Moyes asked pointed questions about the quality of the 12 players Riley had helped bring in at a cost of £55m and the talks did not progress very far.
Villa's football board will concentrate this week on their short list of candidates after relegation was confirmed on Saturday. Moyes is certain to be on that list.
Fucking unbelievable. Just when you think the Boardroom are getting some credibility back.
Yes, lets have a f¤¤king heart attack because another journalist has had another guess at what's happening.
There must be as many different stories and interpretations of the lack of facts as there are media outlets.
There are only 3 facts as we stand.
1. We're trying to turn around a decades worth of off-field mismanagement.
2. We're relegated.
3. We're in the market for a new manager.
Everything else is an uncomfortable mix of guess work, supposition and blatant shit stirring. Albeit Murphy carries a considerably more credibility than someone like Gregg Evans.
There's nothing suggesting that they've approached anyone at all, or that Moyes has been approached by anyone else. Maybe the board are doing their due diligence on this one, plenty of people on here have raised questions around Moyes' suitability with varying degrees of credibility, so it's not unreasonable to think that the board if doing it's job properly is really going through it with a fine tooth comb. After all, it's only the most important appointment at the club in 29 years.
When the BBC resort to telling us who the bookies favourite is, it shows they don't know anything either.
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Moyes wouldn't be my first choice but I would take him over Pearson, let alone over Mick McCarthy.
It would also resolve what has basically been our managerial Robbie Keane - he's been linked with the job for such a long time, we might as well.
So if Moyes isn't good enough who would realistically be your first choice?
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Moyes wouldn't be my first choice but I would take him over Pearson, let alone over Mick McCarthy.
It would also resolve what has basically been our managerial Robbie Keane - he's been linked with the job for such a long time, we might as well.
So if Moyes isn't good enough who would realistically be your first choice?
It's more style than ability. I'd prefer someone like Rodgers or Gary Rowett.
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You think Brendan Rodgers would come?!
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You think Brendan Rodgers would come?!
If David Moyes wants to, maybe!
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You think Brendan Rodgers would come?!
My concern with Rodgers, like Lambert, he is only as good as his backroom staff, and has since be found out.
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How many times is the Board going to start working on its shortlist of candidates - this is the 5th time they are going to start doing it by my reckoning.
all we get is a half soaked letter from hollis saying the search for the new manager has commenced , not that it has been ongoing since garde went
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You think Brendan Rodgers would come?!
My concern with Rodgers, like Lambert, he is only as good as his backroom staff, and has since be found out.
You could say that about nearly all top level managers
Little - Gregory left - was not the same
MON - lost John Robertson - was not the same
Lambert - lost a pair of bullies - but the team started to get worse, especially when the nutter Keane turned up
Garde - could not get the team he wanted
Moyes - all tied up
Pearson - part of a league winning team
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Moyes wouldn't be my first choice but I would take him over Pearson, let alone over Mick McCarthy.
It would also resolve what has basically been our managerial Robbie Keane - he's been linked with the job for such a long time, we might as well.
So if Moyes isn't good enough who would realistically be your first choice?
It's more style than ability. I'd prefer someone like Rodgers or Gary Rowett.
I'd love to see Rowett with Mellberg as Assistant and Paul Clement as First Teach Coach.
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Aye, that would have some purpose about it. Prepare for nothing like it ever to happen (although, wouldn't Clement fancy himself as a manager these days?).
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Absolutely no more ex Small Heath managers.
I don't know what's so special about Rowett anyway. He's got that lot to the dizzy heights of mid-table in the Championship which is hardly earth shattering.
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How many times is the Board going to start working on its shortlist of candidates - this is the 5th time they are going to start doing it by my reckoning.
all we get is a half soaked letter from hollis saying the search for the new manager has commenced , not that it has been ongoing since garde went
but Im sure it has and before he left.
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Absolutely no more ex Small Heath managers.
I don't know what's so special about Rowett anyway. He's got that lot to the dizzy heights of mid-table in the Championship which is hardly earth shattering.
As a general point I couldn't give a toss if our next manager was ex-blues or not, as long as they were the right manager for us.
I don't know enough about rowett to say whether he's been doing a good job or not, but my understanding is that he's been working under very restrictive conditions, so it could be argued that he's overachieving in what he's doing at the minute. As I say though, I don't give them any notice so my perception could be wrong.
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You think Brendan Rodgers would come?!
My concern with Rodgers, like Lambert, he is only as good as his backroom staff, and has since be found out.
You could say that about nearly all top level managers
Little - Gregory left - was not the same
MON - lost John Robertson - was not the same
Lambert - lost a pair of bullies - but the team started to get worse, especially when the nutter Keane turned up
Garde - could not get the team he wanted
Moyes - all tied up
Pearson - part of a league winning team
Moyes' long-standing assistant from Everton and Man Utd, Steve Round, is available. He's only working part-time at the moment (not at Asda or somewhere, like that might have sounded, as a coach, but I'm sure he'd be gettable).
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Absolutely no more ex Small Heath managers.
I don't know what's so special about Rowett anyway. He's got that lot to the dizzy heights of mid-table in the Championship which is hardly earth shattering.
In the nicest possible way, how could anyone give even the smallest fuck where he's managed before? It's not like he's an ex-member of the Gestapo - it's only football for Christ's sake.
As for Rowett himself, he's got that absolute shower next door playing good stuff sometimes and within a sniff of the play-offs. They should have been fighting against relegation this year.
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The Moyes rumour has been on BBC news (which we have on here at work) and is also now on the BBC website homepage.
Would it be reasonable to assume Pat Murphy is in the know or has contacts that have heard this straight from Moyes himself?
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Best manager in the Championship?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36074705
*Please note I am not saying that I want him
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Best manager in the Championship?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36074705
*Please note I am not saying that I want him
He's right - there's no-one in the Championship with a better record than him. Like him or hate him, his record is there for all to see. And I wouldn't be upset to see him come here.
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Best manager in the Championship?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36074705
*Please note I am not saying that I want him
Well he failed at his last job in the Championship at Leeds. He's doing very well so far at Rotherham, I think he's a good appointment if you are a smaller championship club.
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This is a no brainer. Go get Moyes. I honestly cannot think of a more perfect fit at this stage. His coaches seem to be available too. If this is true that is! BBC are no more reliable than any other news outlet to be fair.
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After today we will be lucky to get Mackey mouse
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No manager in their right mind would go anywhere near Villa at the moment.
Nigel Pearson it is then.
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Agreed. Not even Pearson would touch this shit storm.
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Oh, I'm sure Stan Collymore would still take it. According to the Mirror, 73% of us want him as manager anyway...
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The whole business today suggests Moyes won't be coming. He would probably want a structure with him having the final say and what remains of the board, with Lerner's say, probably want to keep Reilly and this ridiculous Head of Football rhubarb.
Whatever chance we have of getting him in has probably gone south within the last couple of hours.
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No one worth anything will touch this utter shambles.
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Neil Warnock it is then!!
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The whole business today suggests Moyes won't be coming. He would probably want a structure with him having the final say and what remains of the board, with Lerner's say, probably want to keep Reilly and this ridiculous Head of Football rhubarb.
Whatever chance we have of getting him in has probably gone south within the last couple of hours.
I think even Pearson will get put off too.
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Any unemployed manager possibly from abroad with a fresh approach towards giving the youth a chance....I would put a large wager on this now.
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It would have to be a gormless yes man willing to put up with Lerner being a twat, no money and a poisonous atmosphere just for the gig. Someone like Black would love to keep the job.
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Neil Warnock it is then!!
I think we should be so lucky. John Carver is my guess.
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Joe Kinnear. Or is it Roy? The fat one, funny but not very funny. I think I've just described both of them.
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No one of any quality will touch us.
I expect Lerner to get Neil Warnock or Steve Evans to keep us in Div 2 on a shoestring.
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Any unemployed manager possibly from abroad with a fresh approach towards giving the youth a chance....I would put a large wager on this now.
Remi Garde?
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Just seen this on Facebook, someone tagged Jack's dad in it. Make of it what you will. Presume taken at the Stoke game tonight.
(http://s3.postimg.org/3kkmpdryb/image.jpg)
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Can you blame him.
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At the rate its going Moyes will be able to buy us by friday
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we are a joke, the appointment will tell us exactly where were going.
I'm now expecting the usual mess that lerner has put on us
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Getting a cock like Warnock in now would feel like snatching victory from the jaws of oblivion. what a monumental fuck up we have become. There must be some way out of here surely.?
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Nigel Pearson suddenly doesn't look so bad.
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I was speaking with a Sunderland supporting friend who said we should go for McCarthy. After spitting out my drink, his argument fell apart when he stated he would get us up but wouldn't know what to do then.
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I was talking to a keen manager spotter who says Gus Poyet is on the move back to the UK. May be worth another hedge on my banker bet on Southgate with Paddy Power.
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I was talking to a keen manager spotter who says Gus Poyet is on the move back to the UK. May be worth another hedge on my banker bet on Southgate with Paddy Power.
The new favourite for the Nottingham Forest job I believe, according to paper rumours.
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Unless offered obscene £££££ why would any manager (I'll leave out the words 'self respecting') want to associate himself with such a toxic brand as Aston Villa?
My view is that if someone was appointed within the next couple of weeks say, they would end up resigning before the new season starts as more Lerner nonsense emerges.
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I was talking to a keen manager spotter who says Gus Poyet is on the move back to the UK. May be worth another hedge on my banker bet on Southgate with Paddy Power.
How many hedges is that, now, Brian? You seem to be covering a lot of bases 😁
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As long as Lerner remains, nothing is going to change. So, it doesn't actually matter who the next manager is. We can be assured that he won't be the best man for the job and nor will he be supported by the executive.
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I think it's going to be Peter Mensch, he manages Metallica (Lescott), Red Hot Chili Peppers (Agbonlahor), Muse (Richards), Smashing Pumpkins (Bacuna), Hole (N'Zogbia) and Snow Patrol (Guzan) and is married to the awful Louise (Lerner) so is used to dealing with out and out c**ts and terrible performers.
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As long as Lerner remains, nothing is going to change. So, it doesn't actually matter who the next manager is. We can be assured that he won't be the best man for the job and nor will he be supported by the executive.
This. The next manager is an irrelevance in terms whether we recover or not. And anyone genuinely good who takes the role while Lerner is here will only have themselves to blame when their career is blighted by their failure here.
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The next manager will probably be someone like a Grayson or the MK Dons current manager (cant think of his name)
He will be told what to do and to say (in other words a puppet or a muppet)
The statement from Hollis after relegation where he states the criteria for being the next Villa manager, will come back to haunt him!
It is just like the mad hatters tea party!
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I think it will be Grayson now, after he managed Leeds in a similar state of madness and is liked by Little. Pearson or Moyes won't touch it and the others will want too much money. Grayson has got Preston going in that league on a meagre budget so will be seen as a cheap option.
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I was just about to say the same, Brian Little's connection to Grayson makes him favourite now in my book. He did well at Leeds and the fans were furious when he was sacked.
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I was just about to say the same, Brian Little's connection to Grayson makes him favourite now in my book. He did well at Leeds and the fans were furious when he was sacked.
To be fair, Leeds fans are in a permanent state of fury.
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I have a secondhand ITK who has said its Grayson, done and dusted. Only hold up is the compensation with his current club.
I dont know the reliability of the ITK but i do know that 7-8 people close to him have put good money on it based on this info
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He has got 4 promotions to the championship under his belt too. I think he would be a decent choice, not as exciting as a Moyes, but can handle a club with little money to spend and might get something out of the kids.
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I have a secondhand ITK who has said its Grayson, done and dusted. Only hold up is the compensation with his current club.
I dont know the reliability of the ITK but i do know that 7-8 people close to him have put good money on it based on this info
If true then I could live with that.
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his odds are tumbling as well. 10-1 this morning, 3-1 an hour ago when i got the text, now down to 9-4.....
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I have a secondhand ITK who has said its Grayson, done and dusted. Only hold up is the compensation with his current club.
I dont know the reliability of the ITK but i do know that 7-8 people close to him have put good money on it based on this info
If true then I could live with that.
So could I, but worryingly how long could he?
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If that is true my first reaction is to be completely underwhelmed. I suppose 6 of the 471 who have voted would be pleased. He has at least managed at other basket case clubs.
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I'd be underwhelmed too but I guess beggars can't be choosers.
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Grayson certainly wouldn't be my first choice but also wouldn't be my last either.
I suppose that needs to be seen as a Godsend considering its a Lerner decision.
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Bernstein did say that they were looking for someone with Championship and top flight experience, although he's not there anymore so it could be anybody I suppose. I can't see it being Grayson though, it would be too much of a gamble.
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If that is true my first reaction is to be completely underwhelmed. I suppose 6 of the 471 who have voted would be pleased. He has at least managed at other basket case clubs.
Same here - really underwhelming. Maybe because my hopes had been built up by a new board structure with possibly David Moyes so I feel pretty deflated by what is now the new reality. If he comes I feel sorry for him - no board, disinterested owner, no funds to rebuild the squad, under-performing/uncaring players, disconnect between the club and fans - it's a pretty toxic mix and I think we need someone more experienced.
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Sounds about right. A manager with a record of muddling about in the Championship with clubs with a proud history turned run of the mill. That's us now.
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Gamble? We've taken more gambles than a roulette wheel at Caesars Palace when it comes to managers lately. It wouldn't surprise me if they spun it one more time.
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Grayson's managerial (off wiki) record is 244 wins 164 draws & 150 lost with 43.7% win ratio, and has got 4 teams promoted. On paper as good a record as the peoples favorite (Moyes) If he could get this shower promoted he would be knighted !
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Its a good record and he'd be a good choice for a small club.
That appears to be our mission now, so I guess he fits the bill.
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What kind of football does he play?
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Its a good record and he'd be a good choice for a small club.
That appears to be our mission now, so I guess he fits the bill.
I think he is the same type of manager as Kenny Jackett - good in League One and the lower reaches of the Championship, but struggles above that.
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What kind of football does he play?
Well, he used to be a utility player - often defensive MF - but he's retired now and that's why he manages ...
... sorry.
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I'd have no problem with Grayson whatsoever. In fact, there's a lot to like. Yesterday's events change everything, I would now think it extremely unlikely that we'll get a high-profile manager with a big budget, Grayson could be OK.
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Chosen by Brian Little then. I wonder if this is where the Board split came from - if King and Bernstein thought that Moyes was achievable but Lerner has sided with BL? At least he knows the club and has played for us which personally I am glad about. I'm not overly convinced by Moyes tbh who might just want to try and buy promotion which we obviously cannot afford. Maybe he can bring Daniel Johnson back with him.
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That's what they want. Keep those expectations low.
No point spending money in January, we'll only go down. Best to surrender and shuffle off into the abyss accepting of our fate like the compliant failure we've become.
We won't fill the ground, so why bother trying? Lets make it smaller. Big clubs don't have 40,000 seater grounds and we're not a big club now are we? Close it down.
Oh, we'll never get a good manager now. Best get some nobody whose good in the third division, as that's where we're likely to go.
Its fucking shite. Absolutely everything that permeates from the club stinks. The core is rotten, because its been polluted by the cancer that is Randy Lerner.
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To be honest, not sure if im shell shocked after the last week in Villa World but the thought of having a decent, honest, hard working proffesional who knows the club and wont take any shit is suddenly quite appealing. There is a whole world of really crap managers out there and if this is the worst they can do then Im reasonably happy. Uninspiring but a safe pair of hands - Just what villa need at the moment
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We are destined fo become Man City only it will be the relegation period Man City not the oil sheik version. We already have ex players and managers bumbling around the club a la Summerbee and Lee. It really is utterly shambolic if Grayson is the next manager. Years of championship football await or worse.
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That's what they want. Keep those expectations low.
No point spending money in January, we'll only go down. Best to surrender and shuffle off into the abyss accepting of our fate like the compliant failure we've become.
We won't fill the ground, so why bother trying? Lets make it smaller. Big clubs don't have 40,000 seater grounds and we're not a big club now are we? Close it down.
Oh, we'll never get a good manager now. Best get some nobody whose good in the third division, as that's where we're likely to go.
Its fucking shite. Absolutely everything that permeates from the club stinks. The core is rotten, because its been polluted by the cancer that is Randy Lerner.
Agreed, Ads. As ridiculously run as Newcastle are by Ashley, you can never question their ambition. We on the other hand..
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So basically, Moyes and Pearson are available so were going for Grayson….
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What kind of football does he play?
Association.
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Well he's tumbled to second favourite in the betting odds, so somebody thinks they know something. Can't help but feeling he's another nice guy though, like Garde, and will be yet another fall guy for Lerner, rather than getting somebody who knows what's needed and will make more demands, e.g Moyes, even Pearson.
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The only thing I would say is that we were having similar discussions when McCarthy and Chris Powell was being touted. It could just be another rumour.
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The only thing I would say is that we were having similar discussions when McCarthy and Chris Powell was being touted. It could just be another rumour.
True, this week's fish and chip paper was last week's Pearson/Powell as assistant story which people were treating as almost nailed on. The whole place needs a lift and the only man who can provide that is Moyes.
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What kind of football does he play?
5-a-side
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If it is Grayson, this reminds me when Ellis appointed Graham Turner, cheap option and did what Ellis told him!
How low have we sunk if the best option for us is Simon Grayson.
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Grayson would be a very beige solution.
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I have a secondhand ITK who has said its Grayson, done and dusted. Only hold up is the compensation with his current club.
I dont know the reliability of the ITK but i do know that 7-8 people close to him have put good money on it based on this info
If true then I could live with that.
It's got disaster written all over it.
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Well that would be extremely underwhelming to say the least.
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I wouldn't be delighted or distraught if it was Grayson. It would be "meh". Which seems about right these days.
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I wouldn't be delighted or distraught if it was Grayson. It would be "meh". Which seems about right these days.
If we had sane people running the club I'd be fairly content with it.
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I have a secondhand ITK who has said its Grayson, done and dusted. Only hold up is the compensation with his current club.
I dont know the reliability of the ITK but i do know that 7-8 people close to him have put good money on it based on this info
If true then I could live with that.
It's got disaster written all over it.
So if true, a different name but with basically all the same issues that dogged his predecessors - terrible squad, no investment, broken youth / academy system, dysfunctional reporting line, and anarchistic playing squad emboldened by forcing various people out the club they didn't like.
Uh good luck with that Mr Grayson. It'll end the same way because the root cause of our problems remain.
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To be honest, not sure if im shell shocked after the last week in Villa World but the thought of having a decent, honest, hard working proffesional who knows the club and wont take any shit is suddenly quite appealing. There is a whole world of really crap managers out there and if this is the worst they can do then Im reasonably happy. Uninspiring but a safe pair of hands - Just what villa need at the moment
For me, "uninspiring and safe pair of hands" are not what we need right now. Maybe it's what Lerner needs but it is not what Aston Villa need. We need inspiring and we need belief that we will go straight back up, not the cheap "Yes man" option.
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Its a good record and he'd be a good choice for a small club.
That appears to be our mission now, so I guess he fits the bill.
Yup.
I can't remember the last time I saw us set about a task with such gusto as we have with downscaling. It's like we couldn't wait.
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I wouldn't be delighted or distraught if it was Grayson. It would be "meh". Which seems about right these days.
*nods*
It would be a solid statement that we were preparing for life in the Championship, rather than preparing for an attempt to get out of it.
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The only thing I would say is that we were having similar discussions when McCarthy and Chris Powell was being touted. It could just be another rumour.
True, this week's fish and chip paper was last week's Pearson/Powell as assistant story which people were treating as almost nailed on. The whole place needs a lift and the only man who can provide that is Moyes.
Nothing is gospel until its announced. All I know is that the info I got came from someone working with direct links specifically to the vacancy but you never know what peoples motives are, could be bs. Its all with a pinch of salt as per usual. I think the fans despite some being underwhelmed would get behind Grayson, I liked him as a player anyway. Leeds fans speak admirably of him as well
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If Brian Little is the key driver of an appointment like Grayson, I'd say that is a massive call for someone who has no experience of a sort of DoF role in a big club. I hope he makes the right call.
It seems that whilst he and Hollis are continuing to play pragmatically to Lerner's tune, B&K could not. I know which ones I'd back: yep, B&K.
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I think with it being only Sir Brian now advising, I would say that Grayson is a very likely choice. BL highly rates him. Wouldn't be my choice but given what's going on at our club at the moment, I would have SG over Bruce or Mic
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You would have to be mental to take charge of Villa at this moment in time...
Until Lerner has gone the farce of the last 5 years is going to continue and I predict it's going to get a lot worse...
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What kind of football does he play?
Blow.
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You would have to be mental to take charge of Villa at this moment in time...
Until Lerner has gone the farce of the last 5 years is going to continue and I predict it's going to get a lot worse...
Ian Holloway might be in with a shout then!!
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You would have to be mental to take charge of Villa at this moment in time...
Until Lerner has gone the farce of the last 5 years is going to continue and I predict it's going to get a lot worse...
Ian Holloway might be in with a shout then!!
lol... Agreed CT...
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I think any hope of Moyes walked out the door with the other two yesterday
no way Moyes is coming whilst we are still in the mess
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Look there is no shortage of top class candidates! (from BBC)
John Carver: I've applied for the Aston Villa job
Former Newcastle United manager John Carver has admitted he's applied for the vacant manager's role at Aston Villa.
Last week Aston Villa parted ways with their manager Remi Garde with them looking resigned to relegation to the Championship. Carver believes they need to make a change sooner rather than later.
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We are pathetically small time now. We're in a sorry sorry state.
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We are pathetically small time now. We're in a sorry sorry state.
Unfortunately yeap :-\
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I don't think you will be seeing anyone appointed soon. If we are going to be sold it will paralyse all decisions until it happens.
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I don't think you will be seeing anyone appointed soon. If we are going to be sold it will paralyse all decisions until it happens.
I don't think we're being sold, I think that was a bit of PR.
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We will see. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense that something might be around the corner. That might just as easily be another size 12 to the knackers though!
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I don't think you will be seeing anyone appointed soon. If we are going to be sold it will paralyse all decisions until it happens.
I don't think we're being sold, I think that was a bit of PR.
PR to take away the reasons of the resignations being the main focus.
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Eric Cack to keep the reins.
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Lennie Lawrence must be in the betting now. He might have to take a pay cut though and agree to plain digestives in the office only on alternate Mondays.
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You would have to be mental to take charge of Villa at this moment in time...
Until Lerner has gone the farce of the last 5 years is going to continue and I predict it's going to get a lot worse...
Ian Holloway might be in with a shout then!!
Paolo de Canio it is then. He likes waving at us Villa fans as I recall.
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A couple of weeks ago I would have been distraught at the idea of grays on. However with all the goings on at the theatre of comedy at the moment I wouldn't be so down hearted now. I would give him the benefit of the doubt and give him my full backing next season...god knows anyone who takes the job needs the backing of the fans cause they won't get much backing from the players or owner.
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Aston Villa - The unwanted gift that keeps on giving.
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Eric Cack to keep the reins.
We'd do well to keep hold of him at this rate.
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What kind of football does he play?
Blow.
That's useful because we suck.
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Simon Grayson would be our equivalent of the Dogheads recruiting Deano. A promising career in the lower leagues but far too big. If it is Grayson, I'd bet a sizeable amount on a chaotic relegation.
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I have a secondhand ITK who has said its Grayson, done and dusted. Only hold up is the compensation with his current club.
I dont know the reliability of the ITK but i do know that 7-8 people close to him have put good money on it based on this info
You know what? I believe it.
Fits the pattern of the clubs ambition to be permanently in the lower leagues. As Bernstein rather cruelly but accurately put it "preparing for life in the championship" not a visit.
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Simon Grayson would be our equivalent of the Dogheads recruiting Deano. A promising career in the lower leagues but far too big. If it is Grayson, I'd bet a sizeable amount on a chaotic relegation.
that is exactly the type of manager lerner would appoint. mainly because they are cheap and think they can do it, and lerner tells them to do it with less money than the last manager did. fuckin joke.
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Simon Grayson would be our equivalent of the Dogheads recruiting Deano. A promising career in the lower leagues but far too big. If it is Grayson, I'd bet a sizeable amount on a chaotic relegation.
There's absolutely no comparison between his managerial career and Saunders'.
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It'll be as cheap as possible with little as possible if any investment.
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I wouldn't be delighted or distraught if it was Grayson. It would be "meh". Which seems about right these days.
*nods*
It would be a solid statement that we were preparing for life in the Championship, rather than preparing for an attempt to get out of it.
To be fair, after the last 96 hours "meh" is a quantum leap forwards.
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Aston Villa - The unwanted gift that keeps on giving.
More like "The Puppy That Keeps On Shitting"
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Grayson is in Birmingham tonight so we could pinch him for chat over last orders.
I've said before on this thread that I would embrace Grayson. Positives outweigh the negatives with him.
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Grayson is in Birmingham tonight so we could pinch him for chat over last orders.
I've said before on this thread that I would embrace Grayson. Positives outweigh the negatives with him.
I'm not sure. His record at getting teams out of league one is impressive but we need someone who's got teams into the premier league ideally.
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Grayson is in Birmingham tonight so we could pinch him for chat over last orders.
I've said before on this thread that I would embrace Grayson. Positives outweigh the negatives with him.
I suppose it depends on how much backing he would get from RL and the remains of the Board as to how effective he could be.
If you believe that DB and MK threw teddy out of the pram, then maybe there is more to look forward to, this pre- season and from August.
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Does anyone think any Villa manager will get a penny to spend next season?
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Does anyone think any Villa manager will get a penny to spend next season?
Will get what we can raise in transfer fees I reckon.
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Welcome Grayson....the Meh One.
They'll be selling merchandise like nobody's business with that strap line.
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Does anyone think any Villa manager will get a penny to spend next season?
Will get what we can raise in transfer fees I reckon.
Then we really are fucked...
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Grayson is in Birmingham tonight so we could pinch him for chat over last orders.
I've said before on this thread that I would embrace Grayson. Positives outweigh the negatives with him.
I'm not sure. His record at getting teams out of league one is impressive but we need someone who's got teams into the premier league ideally.
At the same time he's hardly been at clubs you'd tip for promotion straight after promotion from division 3. He left Blackpool after taking them up to go to Leeds. Took Leeds up, then finished 7th and was then sacked with them 10th and 4 points off the playoffs, they finished 14th 14 points off them. 7th is their highest place for a decade.
Went to Huddersfield and took them up. Was sacked with them 18th after a poor run, pretty much the only one he's had in his career. They only finished 19th anyway.
Went to Preston, kept them up, took them to the playoffs, and then promotion. Currently 10th.
He wouldn't be an appointment to excite fans but strikes me as a decent one.
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Does anyone think any Villa manager will get a penny to spend next season?
Probably between £10m-£15m I'd expect.
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Does anyone think any Villa manager will get a penny to spend next season?
Probably between £10m-£15m I'd expect.
Guessing that's from a fire sale? So we'd need to buy, I dunno, 8 players with that? Or we'd have to play some of the aresholes who we can't shift. Doesn't look good.
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Does anyone think any Villa manager will get a penny to spend next season?
Under the current owner whoever the new manager is will not get a penny. Any money raised will be used to offset the drop in revenue. We'll be in the bargain basement for free transfers only, with Championship experience. We're fucked until Lerner goes.
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I have a feeling that Brian Little will be our manager at the start of next season.
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Does anyone think any Villa manager will get a penny to spend next season?
Probably between £10m-£15m I'd expect.
Guessing that's from a fire sale? So we'd need to buy, I dunno, 8 players with that? Or we'd have to play some of the aresholes who we can't shift. Doesn't look good.
I reckon we'll probably buy four new players for the starting eleven. The likes of Baker, Gardner, Bennett, Robinson back to bulk out the squad.
Not perfect, but not a catastrophe either.
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Grayson is in Birmingham tonight so we could pinch him for chat over last orders.
I've said before on this thread that I would embrace Grayson. Positives outweigh the negatives with him.
I'm not sure. His record at getting teams out of league one is impressive but we need someone who's got teams into the premier league ideally.
At the same time he's hardly been at clubs you'd tip for promotion straight after promotion from division 3. He left Blackpool after taking them up to go to Leeds. Took Leeds up, then finished 7th and was then sacked with them 10th and 4 points off the playoffs, they finished 14th 14 points off them. 7th is their highest place for a decade.
Went to Huddersfield and took them up. Was sacked with them 18th after a poor run, pretty much the only one he's had in his career. They only finished 19th anyway.
Went to Preston, kept them up, took them to the playoffs, and then promotion. Currently 10th.
He wouldn't be an appointment to excite fans but strikes me as a decent one.
What i'm getting at is, I think we need someone who's got teams out of the championship and has been there when those teams have had blips along the way and got them through it, because all teams do at some point.
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Grayson is in Birmingham tonight so we could pinch him for chat over last orders.
I've said before on this thread that I would embrace Grayson. Positives outweigh the negatives with him.
I'm not sure. His record at getting teams out of league one is impressive but we need someone who's got teams into the premier league ideally.
At the same time he's hardly been at clubs you'd tip for promotion straight after promotion from division 3. He left Blackpool after taking them up to go to Leeds. Took Leeds up, then finished 7th and was then sacked with them 10th and 4 points off the playoffs, they finished 14th 14 points off them. 7th is their highest place for a decade.
Went to Huddersfield and took them up. Was sacked with them 18th after a poor run, pretty much the only one he's had in his career. They only finished 19th anyway.
Went to Preston, kept them up, took them to the playoffs, and then promotion. Currently 10th.
He wouldn't be an appointment to excite fans but strikes me as a decent one.
With things as they stand I can't see us getting our top choices. They'd be mad to come here. So with that in mind I think Grayson is one of the better options who would come to us and at the very least is someone we could all get behind.
But really, I'm just praying we get a buyer and we can still attract a bigger name. As things stand though I'd settle for someone to keep us up next season, because I honestly think we'll be in another relegation dog fight again.
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Does anyone think any Villa manager will get a penny to spend next season?
I think it's a bit more these days but not sure how much?
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If we had any money we'd be getting Moyes
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I'm beginning to pine for the Alex Mcleish's Galácticos days.
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I'm starting to think it doesn't really matter who the manager is when the owner is so determined to destroy the club.
We could appoint Simon Grayson, Chris Kamara, Pep Guardiola, Moyes or the Beast from The Chase for all the difference it'd make. We're fucked.
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I'm starting to think it doesn't really matter who the manager is when the owner is so determined to destroy the club.
We could appoint Simon Grayson, Chris Kamara, Pep Guardiola, Moyes or the Beast from The Chase for all the difference it'd make. We're fucked.
I'd agree, without the appropriate support it's a complete waste of time. 95% of the squad are either rubbish, wankers or both. We need a massive overhaul, but we have an idiot of an owner who seems intent on burning his investment to the ground.
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If we had any money we'd be getting Moyes
Jesus there was a time we missed out on Benitez because we were not prepared to spend enough.
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I'm starting to think it doesn't really matter who the manager is when the owner is so determined to destroy the club.
We could appoint Simon Grayson, Chris Kamara, Pep Guardiola, Moyes or the Beast from The Chase for all the difference it'd make. We're fucked.
The Beast from The Chase is a Rugger Bugger. Also he is even fatter than that fat fuck, Flabby. Probably better off with The Dark Destroyer, although he is a Chelsea fan.
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I'm starting to think it doesn't really matter who the manager is when the owner is so determined to destroy the club.
We could appoint Simon Grayson, Chris Kamara, Pep Guardiola, Moyes or the Beast from The Chase for all the difference it'd make. We're fucked.
King effectively said the same thing in his resignation & there's no motive for hlim, as a fan nor a professional, to walk away. Other than that we're fucked whilst Lerner is in command.
The only other possible reason is that he doesn't want to be associated with the sale of the club to some other arsehole.
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Don't disagree, John2710. I just wonder how far we will fall whilst Lerner remains at the helm.
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One day Lerner will be gone.Having a decent manager will reduce any further damage and having looked at Grayson's CV,I am very impressed.Getting Preston to just outside the play offs on a budget that Ma Lerner would accept.I need to clutch at some straws,otherwise my supply of malt will take another hammering.
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Us, Bolton, Crewe and Dagenham & Redbridge are bankers every week to lose and someone has cleaned up this season. That person is my bookie as the 5th team I usually stick on in my 'loss accumulator' always seems to go and bloody well win (the bastards).
Manager for next season should therefore be the bloke at Bet 365 who has taken a fortune off me this year.
His stats:
Played 30 or so,
won 29 or so and his sole loss (my sole win) wasn't enough for me to shout about.
Whatever his name is get him in sharpish.
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Just to add to the wonderful week we are all having... Ian Holloway has made his entry into the top five odds for the Villa job. That'd be fun, wouldn't it?
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Just to add to the wonderful week we are all having... Ian Holloway has made his entry into the top five odds for the Villa job. That'd be fun, wouldn't it?
His disparaging remarks a few years now describe us perfectly.
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I have a feeling that Brian Little will be our manager at the start of next season.
It would be quite a cynical move if that happened. They know the fans wouldn't give Sir Brian stick and it would buy them time to cut costs further and land us more in the brown stuff. There's a danger here that, out of a sense of loyalty to Villa, Sir Brian will end up being used and spat out by Lerner and Co.
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Just to add to the wonderful week we are all having... Ian Holloway has made his entry into the top five odds for the Villa job. That'd be fun, wouldn't it?
His disparaging remarks a few years now describe us perfectly.
I think half-arsed is a little kind after this week especially. One-tenth-arsed?
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I have a feeling that Brian Little will be our manager at the start of next season.
That would be quite a coup persuading the former Gainsborough Trinity boss to leave his current job with Jersey to manage our car crash.
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Just to add to the wonderful week we are all having... Ian Holloway has made his entry into the top five odds for the Villa job. That'd be fun, wouldn't it?
His disparaging remarks a few years now describe us perfectly.
I think half-arsed is a little kind after this week especially. One-tenth-arsed?
Can't be arsed?
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How quickly this thread has become of secondary, or lower, importance with all the other shite going on.
Exactly the right time for the club to appoint whichever buffoon they want.
Which has just broken my dream - I kept waking up because of it - we had appointed Southgate and I was gutted I even remember thinking that whoever on here mentioned it was right. Villa are even affecting my sleep with their poison, is there no escape?
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Ronny Deila is leaving Celtic in the summer so they may be competition if we are still in for Moyes.
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Ronny Deila is leaving Celtic in the summer so they may be competition if we are still in for Moyes.
I don't think it would take Moyes too long to choose between us do you?
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Irrelevant thread while Lerner is still in charge.
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Irrelevant thread while Lerner is still in charge.
What, we don't need a manager?
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Irrelevant thread while Lerner is still in charge.
What, we don't need a manager?
Could maybe draw up some kind of a rota using all those that apply for any managerial vacancy because they got to the Champions League final with Bury on whatever the football management game is called.
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I did get Telford United from the Conference to 8th in the Prem on Championship Manager 01/02. It was quite a few years back now though, so maybe I'm a bit out of touch. Still think I'd be a better appointment than John Carver.
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I've been going over this in my head for a while now. And initially I was all for Moyes, but the more I think about it now, the less inclined i'd be to give him the job.
I'm not sure if he's still got the hunger in him to make it work, his last two jobs didn't seem to go well and this could be too much effort for him to really get stuck in.
I'm leaning more towards a Dyche with his full backroom staff for where we're heading next season. Only problem is I can't see any logical reason why he'd leave a stable club on the up like Burnley for us. Sad times
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I'm leaning more towards a Dyche with his full backroom staff for where we're heading next season. Only problem is I can't see any logical reason why he'd leave a stable club on the up like Burnley for us. Sad times
Because as said time before - without being arrogant get a giant like us roaring again is a enormously bigger long term attraction than Burnley - given the right funds (and I know that probably fails on the first hurdle) but Us in the Championship is still a bigger draw for players than Burnley in the Prem.
GT mk1 got lots of plaudits for his bringing Watford from 4th to first and an FA cup final to boot, he got the England job on the strength of what he did at Villa
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I see the Blackburn manager is not too sure about his future and may be available
(sorry if it's already been mentioned)
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Can I ask if the likes of Bruce and Dyche are on the list, why not Chris Hughton or the Karanca fella at Middlesborough - they cannot all get promoted
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Because as said time before - without being arrogant get a giant like us roaring again is a enormously bigger long term attraction than Burnley - given the right funds (and I know that probably fails on the first hurdle) but Us in the Championship is still a bigger draw for players than Burnley in the Prem.
That might have been true many years ago, but I'm not sure it would still be the case.
Foreign players looking to make a name for themselves would opt for at least one season in the Prem at a traditionally smaller club than a season or two in the Champ with us, on the basis that we might get back.
And even if we were to somehow get back, under the current set up, it is not as if we would be looking to push on and compete for a European place again. We'd be acting like the smaller clubs in the league anyway.
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I wonder what impact any potential takeover would have on the choice of manager. Will incoming owners care as much about Englishness etc. as Bevington and Bernstein do?
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I wonder what impact any potential takeover would have on the choice of manager. Will incoming owners care as much about Englishness etc. as Bevington and Bernstein do?
I think you're jumping the gun there, Monty. Assuming the new owners aren't British, I'm more concerned with who they consult as their 'football advisors'. It's such a shame Lerner messed up as we had what looked like a good Football Board that could have helped with the transition.
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I see the Blackburn manager is not too sure about his future and may be available
(sorry if it's already been mentioned)
I see Lamberk hasn't improved since leaving us, win percentage of 29% in the Championship with Blackburn.
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I see the Blackburn manager is not too sure about his future and may be available
(sorry if it's already been mentioned)
I see Lamberk hasn't improved since leaving us, win percentage of 29% in the Championship with Blackburn.
#consistent
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was that Southgate I spotted sitting next to BL at Old Trafford on Saturday?
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Irrelevant thread while Lerner is still in charge.
What, we don't need a manager?
I think we need a manager who then needs to be given the tools to do the job. The majority of this thread is about the former which is why its irrelevant because its the latter that matters (& has dogged every 'manager' since GH).
Just my opinion
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I very much doubt we are in the market for Pearson now let alone Moyes.Personally I keep having visions of Phil Brown being unveiled in the next few weeks.Horrible times.
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Interestingly the 2 noses and an Albion fan I work with all hope we get Moyes as they think he is a spent force too. None of them want us to get Pearson, as they think he will have us top 3-4 in that division easily enough.
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Interestingly the 2 noses and an Albion fan I work with all hope we get Moyes as they think he is a spent force too. None of them want us to get Pearson, as they think he will have us top 3-4 in that division easily enough.
Double bluff
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Cannot see any Manager of any worth taking the job whilst the cretin Lerner is still the owner.
Then in view of the cost cutting the salary on offer is certain to be very much reduced. Lerner's actions leading to the 2 resignations would appear to signal he has no interest in getting the club back up into the Premier as soon as possible but is content to let the club languish in the Championship.
Will probably end up with a 21st Century version of the 1967 Tommy Cummings - for those who were around then.
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Are they waiting for the sale to go through before they appoint. Why would Lerner want to appoint a Manager and pay good money, either in compo or salary, if he can get some other mug to pay the bill? Hopefully, Brian Little is talking to the preferred man and told them to hold fire whilst the sale has gone through. Optimistic to the end!!
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A nose at work was raving about Preston last night - great attacking football, always pressing the opposition, Garner the striker looks the real deal too if Grayson comes and can bring him too.
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Martinez might be available soon
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I read somewhere that Watford are thinking of binning Flores too after their form recently dipped.
Would be an interesting shout.
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Martinez might be available soon
next week id say, his players arent trying a leg tonight
john stones...footballing centre half :o
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I read somewhere that Watford are thinking of binning Flores too after their form recently dipped.
Would be an interesting shout.
Flores practically begged for our job about four years ago, I seem to recall.
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I read somewhere that Watford are thinking of binning Flores too after their form recently dipped.
Would be an interesting shout.
Flores practically begged for our job about four years ago, I seem to recall.
It was when Premier League experience was so important.
We went with McLeish.
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Rangers' Mark Warburton would be a good shout, too. Tommy Cummings' ( Mansfield Mgr. at the time) equivalent nowadays is probably someone like Paul Cox ( recent ex-Mansfield Manager )who nobody outside of Mansfield has ever heard of, either. About the level we would attract with Lerner and his austerity drive.
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With each passing week, the available list of realistic candidates grows more dismal.
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YES...and with every passing minute of the Liverpool derby, the more likely it is that Martinez will be a candidate ....4-0 and counting.
Wonder if Roberto Mancini and David Platt would be a good combination ?
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YES...and with every passing minute of the Liverpool derby, the more likely it is that Martinez will be a candidate ....4-0 and counting.
Wonder if Roberto Mancini and David Platt would be a good combination ?
Not sure if you're being serious or I just don't get the joke.
The Inter Milan manager Roberto Mancini, you mean? Yes, sure he'd jump at the chance.
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I did get Telford United from the Conference to 8th in the Prem on Championship Manager 01/02. It was quite a few years back now though, so maybe I'm a bit out of touch. Still think I'd be a better appointment than John Carver.
Would you be comfortable with a 3 years contract at 500K per annum?
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I did get Telford United from the Conference to 8th in the Prem on Championship Manager 01/02. It was quite a few years back now though, so maybe I'm a bit out of touch. Still think I'd be a better appointment than John Carver.
Would you be comfortable with a 3 years contract at 500K per annum?
I took Solihull Moors into the Champions League, so he can fuck off. I'll take it.
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I did get Telford United from the Conference to 8th in the Prem on Championship Manager 01/02. It was quite a few years back now though, so maybe I'm a bit out of touch. Still think I'd be a better appointment than John Carver.
Would you be comfortable with a 3 years contract at 500K per annum?
I took Solihull Moors into the Champions League, so he can fuck off. I'll take it.
Oh fuck this is difficult now. I din't expect a candidate of your calibre coming through...not sure what to do now???
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YES Sheffield.....That Roberto and that David. It's called a pipe-dream. I wonder if Gabby's ever had one of those ? I guess we'll end up with someone who has taken Telford and Solihull Moors to the Champions League, though, instead ! Woe is us.
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Ive just hit 130 points for the week in the FPL and still 3 Arsenal players to slay the great obsessed tomorrow. I'd be happy to advise the board in a non exec role for a car park pass, free tickets and a pie and pint at half time.
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I am afraid car park pass is an executive privilege. So it's no from me but thanks for showing an interest in Aston Villa Football Club. Please do apply again in future.
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Moyes has just said on SKY he is going to wait until the Summer to decide where he is going next
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Moyes, when just questioned on Sky about being odds on for the Celtic job, said that there are many jobs he would be interested in but is going to wait until the Summer.
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Here's the video https://twitter.com/skyfootball/status/722899897775591429
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He's holding out for the Villa job, when we are sold!!
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Would not surprise me at all if he was
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Daily Star says Dyche was keen on us even if Burnley go up but after boardroom fiasco is now cooling on the idea.
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Daily Star eh?
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Daily Star says Dyche was keen on us even if Burnley go up but after boardroom fiasco is now cooling on the idea.
It's complete bollocks. I promise.
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Moyes, when just questioned on Sky about being odds on for the Celtic job, said that there are many jobs he would be interested in but is going to wait until the Summer.
It definitely came across like "Im flattered by their interest but im not going to Celtic and other irons in the fire" hopefully Pablo Escobar can get the takeover sorted in the next few weeks and Davy Boy Moyes will be ours.
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You would want some pretty sturdy assurances before going near the Villa job, unless you just take the 'any port in a storm' view.
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You would want some pretty sturdy assurances before going near the Villa job, unless you just take the 'any port in a storm' view.
Is anyone going to trust the assurances?
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You would want some pretty sturdy assurances before going near the Villa job, unless you just take the 'any port in a storm' view.
Is anyone going to trust the assurances?
Only if they put them in the contract.
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I don't think Lerner has the money to offer assurances anymore.
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I did get Telford United from the Conference to 8th in the Prem on Championship Manager 01/02. It was quite a few years back now though, so maybe I'm a bit out of touch. Still think I'd be a better appointment than John Carver.
Would you be comfortable with a 3 years contract at 500K per annum?
Yes, and for the good of the club I'll even turn down the pay off if I get sacked 3 months into it.
Where do I sign?
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In yesterday's article it said that before they left, King and Bernstein gave Hollis a shortlist for the new manager's post with four names on plus two backups.
As a bit of mindless speculation to distract from the current depression, who do we think is on it? (And yes, if Lerner stays, we're still in trouble regardless of the manager before anyone throws that one in)
I'm going Moyes, Pearson, Bruce, Dyche with Grayson and McCarthy as backup options.
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In yesterday's article it said that before they left, King and Bernstein gave Hollis a shortlist for the new manager's post with four names on plus two backups.
As a bit of mindless speculation to distract from the current depression, who do we think is on it? (And yes, if Lerner stays, we're still in trouble regardless of the manager before anyone throws that one in)
I'm going Moyes, Pearson, Bruce, Dyche with Grayson and McCarthy as backup options.
I reckon that Holloway was one of the back-ups.
Ticks all the narrow criteria that Bernstein said they were looking for, so if that was something they were actually sticking to then him instead of Grayson. I think all six meet what they said they were looking for, assuming he meant British when he said English.
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David Moyes is and always has been my ideal appointment, but just seen on bbc site, he intends to wait until the summer to decide what to do - IMO we need to sort it as soon as and start preparing for next season NOW.
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In yesterday's article it said that before they left, King and Bernstein gave Hollis a shortlist for the new manager's post with four names on plus two backups.
As a bit of mindless speculation to distract from the current depression, who do we think is on it? (And yes, if Lerner stays, we're still in trouble regardless of the manager before anyone throws that one in)
I'm going Moyes, Pearson, Bruce, Dyche with Grayson and McCarthy as backup options.
I reckon that Holloway was one of the back-ups.
Ticks all the narrow criteria that Bernstein said they were looking for, so if that was something they were actually sticking to then him instead of Grayson. I think all six meet what they said they were looking for, assuming he meant British when he said English.
I could offer myself as a translator if Ollie gets the job
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In yesterday's article it said that before they left, King and Bernstein gave Hollis a shortlist for the new manager's post with four names on plus two backups.
As a bit of mindless speculation to distract from the current depression, who do we think is on it? (And yes, if Lerner stays, we're still in trouble regardless of the manager before anyone throws that one in)
I'm going Moyes, Pearson, Bruce, Dyche with Grayson and McCarthy as backup options.
I reckon that Holloway was one of the back-ups.
Ticks all the narrow criteria that Bernstein said they were looking for, so if that was something they were actually sticking to then him instead of Grayson. I think all six meet what they said they were looking for, assuming he meant British when he said English.
I could offer myself as a translator if Ollie gets the job
Are you fluent in talking bollocks then?
The man is a complete knob end
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In yesterday's article it said that before they left, King and Bernstein gave Hollis a shortlist for the new manager's post with four names on plus two backups.
As a bit of mindless speculation to distract from the current depression, who do we think is on it? (And yes, if Lerner stays, we're still in trouble regardless of the manager before anyone throws that one in)
I'm going Moyes, Pearson, Bruce, Dyche with Grayson and McCarthy as backup options.
I reckon that Holloway was one of the back-ups.
Ticks all the narrow criteria that Bernstein said they were looking for, so if that was something they were actually sticking to then him instead of Grayson. I think all six meet what they said they were looking for, assuming he meant British when he said English.
I could offer myself as a translator if Ollie gets the job
Are you fluent in talking bollocks then?
The man is a complete knob end
Well, if he did get the job after calling us 'a half-arsed club who used to be famous', he wouldn't be the first to make derogatory remarks about a club and go on to manage them.
Steve Evans, Leeds manager, back in 2013 'Leeds are but a big club, they used to be, now they are just a circus run by puppets, watched by blinkered seals. I would turn it down, I want to be the captain of a cruise liner not the titanic'
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In yesterday's article it said that before they left, King and Bernstein gave Hollis a shortlist for the new manager's post with four names on plus two backups.
As a bit of mindless speculation to distract from the current depression, who do we think is on it? (And yes, if Lerner stays, we're still in trouble regardless of the manager before anyone throws that one in)
I'm going Moyes, Pearson, Bruce, Dyche with Grayson and McCarthy as backup options.
I reckon that Holloway was one of the back-ups.
Ticks all the narrow criteria that Bernstein said they were looking for, so if that was something they were actually sticking to then him instead of Grayson. I think all six meet what they said they were looking for, assuming he meant British when he said English.
I could offer myself as a translator if Ollie gets the job
Are you fluent in talking bollocks then?
The man is a complete knob end
Well, if he did get the job after calling us 'a half-arsed club who used to be famous', he wouldn't be the first to make derogatory remarks about a club and go on to manage them.
Steve Evans, Leeds manager, back in 2013 'Leeds are but a big club, they used to be, now they are just a circus run by puppets, watched by blinkered seals. I would turn it down, I want to be the captain of a cruise liner not the titanic'
Similar knob end levels so maybe...
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On the plus side with Bernstein gone maybe we are extending our search beyond English managers? We can hope.
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Another game goes by.
I guess we are just completely writing off all remaining games.
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If we know fuck all other than the odd bit of tittle tattle from the press or Twitter, why would anyone with any serious ambition even contemplate us at the moment?
I'm not denying our pedigree, history or potential, but without knowing what is going on behind the scenes if you was a decent manager in a cushy job why would you apply here?
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If we know fuck all other than the odd bit of tittle tattle from the press or Twitter, why would anyone with any serious ambition even contemplate us at the moment?
I'm not denying our pedigree, history or potential, but without knowing what is going on behind the scenes if you was a decent manager in a cushy job why would you apply here?
You're the man who turns Aston Villa round. Instant respect.
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If we know fuck all other than the odd bit of tittle tattle from the press or Twitter, why would anyone with any serious ambition even contemplate us at the moment?
I'm not denying our pedigree, history or potential, but without knowing what is going on behind the scenes if you was a decent manager in a cushy job why would you apply here?
You're the man who turns Aston Villa round. Instant respect.
I suppose, a very brave man though. Who is this man?
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If we know fuck all other than the odd bit of tittle tattle from the press or Twitter, why would anyone with any serious ambition even contemplate us at the moment?
I'm not denying our pedigree, history or potential, but without knowing what is going on behind the scenes if you was a decent manager in a cushy job why would you apply here?
You're the man who turns Aston Villa round. Instant respect.
I suppose, a very brave man though. Who is this man?
There isn't one
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Evening. well there's always that bloke who's just got MK Dons relegated........Karl Robinson. Sound as a pound.
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Or soon enough....Jimmy Floyd Hasselhoff, who would surely have the inside sniff on how to lose to Burton On Trent Juniors.
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Pearson in talks according to the press. In our current state is he the best we can hope for? The way the last week or so has gone I think he might be the only one mad enough to take it.
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Look at what our past five managers have achieved a very healthy severance payment that would be more than most earn in a lifetime, why wouldn't they come.
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what isn't helping at all by not having a permanent manager is the sense of uncertainly it creates. Nobody knows where they stand, especially the players that actually give a shit. Something that I think Traore was actually trying to suggest in his message. I know Pearson isn't the ideal candidate but he is a strong character and he will draw a line in the sand very quickly as regards to his expectations. Same with Moyes. We just need to get this sorted out quickly, though it might very well be tied to the sale of the club as to why they haven't made an appointment yet.
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I don't think there's any doubt that whoever it is must be a strong leader. Whoever it is needs to quickly figure out who actually gives a shit and get rid of those who don't. If we're lucky enough for whoever buys us to have some money behind them, maybe we can release anyone who we can't get a buyer for and create the sense of unity that's been missing for some time.
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Aston Villa manager search sees Nigel Pearson hold talks with relegated giants' chairman Steve Hollis
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I've never thought it'd be anybody but Pearson as he fits the Lerner criteria of being cheap, available, Championship experience and desperate for a job.
You'd think after bullygate with Karsa/Culverhouse they might have learned their lesson about these types of characters but they've never seemed to learn any lessons before so why start now.
He could always turn us down i suppose, wouldn't that be embarressing. Being turned down by a desperate mental case like Pearson.
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Why would Pearson be cheap? Compared to Moyes maybe but in line with pretty much all of the other realistic candidates I'd have thought. And it's not like we have paid peanuts to our managers. It's a bit of an urban myth that we don't pay our managers relative to our competition.
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Why is Pearson touted as a bully? I thought his style was to be caring about his players, humorous and loyal to them?
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Why would Pearson be cheap? Compared to Moyes maybe but in line with pretty much all of the other realistic candidates I'd have thought. And it's not like we have paid peanuts to our managers. It's a bit of an urban myth that we don't pay our managers relative to our competition.
I think Moyes could be a more than realistic candidate though if the funding were there, which being as Lerner is hoping to sell ASAP won't be, at least until a sale eventuates.
I agree we've paid managers well in the past but in your words it's relative to our competition which is now Championship standard. Which is the Pearson/McCarthy brigade not the Moyes/Rodgers.
I'd imagine Persons been knocked back a few times in the last 12 months. Pearson needs us as much as we need a Manager.
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Why is Pearson touted as a bully? I thought his style was to be caring about his players, humorous and loyal to them?
I think his style is more crash or crash through. He's never struck me as the most together person in football management.
Tbh, after the Garde experiment I'm not sure what management style would succeed at B6. Without some direction and investment from the Club (even if it's just to clear a few out) im not sure who could succeed.
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Why is Pearson touted as a bully? I thought his style was to be caring about his players, humorous and loyal to them?
I think his style is more crash or crash through. He's never struck me as the most together person in football management.
Tbh, after the Garde experiment I'm not sure what management style would succeed at B6. Without some direction and investment from the Club (even if it's just to clear a few out) im not sure who could succeed.
I suspect a manager that's got the backing from the boardroom to expel cockroaches and leeches such as the fuckwit 5 by any and all means necessary wouldn't have too much bother with the rest of them.
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what isn't helping at all by not having a permanent manager is the sense of uncertainly it creates. Nobody knows where they stand, especially the players that actually give a shit. Something that I think Traore was actually trying to suggest in his message. I know Pearson isn't the ideal candidate but he is a strong character and he will draw a line in the sand very quickly as regards to his expectations. Same with Moyes. We just need to get this sorted out quickly, though it might very well be tied to the sale of the club as to why they haven't made an appointment yet.
After being there today TV, things are spiralling out of control. If they don't start acting soon and make decisions, then the club could be in a much worse state in a few weeks time. I honestly think we need to forget talks of a takeover for the time being unless it is actually imminent and go ahead and appoint a manager now. I wasn't in favour of Pearson, but if it is to be him then so be it. Something needs to be done.
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I thought they were waiting until relegation was confirmed. There is no excuse for not getting Pearson, Moyes or Bruce in now. Any of of those will do me. Unless Mourinho wants the job!
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There isn't, nor was there ever, any chance of a new manager being announced this side of 10:00 May 16th.
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There isn't, nor was there ever, any chance of a new manager being announced this side of 10:00 May 16th.
In which case the job will have probably become a lot more difficult by that point. The lack of leadership at the club is blindingly obvious.
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There isn't, nor was there ever, any chance of a new manager being announced this side of 10:00 May 16th.
what you didn't believe bobcat's nailed on prediction that Pearson would take over as soon as relegation was mathematically confirmed?
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Don't want to start a new thread, but who the fuck is actually running this club
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Don't want to start a new thread, but who the fuck is actually running this club
No one. There's just some guy with zero football experience turning on the lights every day and turning them off when he clocks out doing pretty much bugger all because his pay master has given him as much real power as I have.
No manager
No coaching team
Skeleton scouting staff
No board
Zombie club with no brain, no heart and no soul at the moment.
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Don't want to start a new thread, but who the fuck is actually running this club
No one. There's just some guy with zero football experience turning on the lights every day and turning them off when he clocks out doing pretty much bugger all because his pay master has given him as much real power as I have.
No manager
No coaching team
Skeleton scouting staff
No board
Zombie club with no brain, no heart and no soul at the moment.
My thoughts exactly
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Just a thought but would we actually name a new manager if we were going to be taken over in the next 2 weeks say. Wouldn't we just leave it to the new guys, unless of course we are not being taken over in which case we need to name a new manager pronto!
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Don't want to start a new thread, but who the fuck is actually running this club
Actually its a good point. No CEO, no manager (Black is checked out), Absent owner and a Chairman who seems only interested in finding how to cut more costs.
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No one. There's just some guy with zero football experience turning on the lights every day and turning them off when he clocks out doing pretty much bugger all because his pay master has given him as much real power as I have.
No manager
No coaching team
Skeleton scouting staff
No board
Zombie club with no brain, no heart and no soul at the moment.
I think you are forgetting that we do have a romantically nourished owner though, what more could we want ?
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No one. There's just some guy with zero football experience turning on the lights every day and turning them off when he clocks out doing pretty much bugger all because his pay master has given him as much real power as I have.
No manager
No coaching team
Skeleton scouting staff
No board
Zombie club with no brain, no heart and no soul at the moment.
I think you are forgetting that we do have a romantically nourished owner though, what more could we want ?
That really made me laugh.
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I'm not convinced on moyes, I'm not overly keen on Pearson but I don't want Bruce or McCarthy either. No point in bringing in an unknown as we need someone who knows the championship. Overall I think we need a strict discipline regime. I'll go with Pearson even though he is an ostrich
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He has won the division
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That said I'd have warburton but I'm not sure he'd leave rangers
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The only individual capable of making a financial decision is the owner of the club.His reluctance to sell or to put any finance in is blindingly obvious. Therefore we cannot appoint a new manager .on Friday I was sure a sale of the club was imminent. After his comments I think we are now back to square one.
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I appreciate that it's all paper talk but why appoint a new Manager before any takover, unless of course the new people also want Pearson? If so, where is their ambition and is this a sign of yet more crap ownership to come? Can we really not do better than Nigel Pearson? The season hasn't finished yet, I can put up with three more crap performances if we DO get the takeover sorted in the meantime, but Pearson? Really?
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Anything whilst Lerner is at the club now will be cheapskate, ill thought out, easy, lazy and patching things up.
He saw what doing things properly entailed with King, Bernstein et al and had a nasty reality check.
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I appreciate that it's all paper talk but why appoint a new Manager before any takover, unless of course the new people also want Pearson? If so, where is their ambition and is this a sign of yet more crap ownership to come? Can we really not do better than Nigel Pearson? The season hasn't finished yet, I can put up with three more crap performances if we DO get the takeover sorted in the meantime, but Pearson? Really?
But no-one really knows who it's going to be do they? It could anyone and the papers are guessing just as much as the fans are. For me personally it's Moyes or Pearson although I reckon Moyes might end up taking the Celtic job.
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If, and I stress if, a takeover is imminent, and fwiw I think it is. Why would there be a managerial appointment when in all likelihood the new owner(s) wouldn't want him. Unless of course this has already been agreed beforehand by all parties.
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Why would you put a new manager in place when the club is apparently being sold? What happens if the new owners want their own man?
Too late this season to make any difference
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Didn't that happen at Torquay? They announced Leroy Rosenior as boss and then a day later the club got taken over and they sacked him?
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If, and I stress if, a takeover is imminent, and fwiw I think it is. Why would there be a managerial appointment when in all likelihood the new owner(s) wouldn't want him. Unless of course this has already been agreed beforehand by all parties.
It happened with O'Neill?
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If, and I stress if, a takeover is imminent, and fwiw I think it is. Why would there be a managerial appointment when in all likelihood the new owner(s) wouldn't want him. Unless of course this has already been agreed beforehand by all parties.
It happened with O'Neill?
I was just thinking that. I think Doug got him in but he knew Randy was coming anyway.
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Yes, I'm aware of that which is why I don't think there will be an appointment until any takeover occurs. I have a feeling it could be someone none of us have thought about. Probably wrong, I usually am.
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I think it was interesting that Moyes said he was leaving it until the summer to decide about his next job. I (clutching at straws) took that to mean he may be waiting for a takeover to go through and he may then be in the frame as our next manager. He could of course just be waiting to see what options are open to him. If we appoint Pearson or someone like Grayson before any takeover goes through I think we can assume that the sale is just a paper talk/pipe dream
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I think it was interesting that Moyes said he was leaving it until the summer to decide about his next job. I (clutching at straws) took that to mean he may be waiting for a takeover to go through and he may then be in the frame as our next manager. He could of course just be waiting to see what options are open to him. If we appoint Pearson or someone like Grayson before any takeover goes through I think we can assume that the sale is just a paper talk/pipe dream
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I'm coming round to this idea. Appoint a manager now and the takeover is far away in the distance.
Just hope that there's a big announcement just around the corner.]
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Beginning to think that even if the board showed some imagination which is totally alien to them , then Moyes is now off our radar - he is obviously waiting for Celtic or Everton to bite.
I don't want Pearson Full stop. He is not and cannot be a Villa Man.
Dcyhe again would be a pipe dream. Might try for Smith from Brentford or ask Little to help out.
Not an awful lot of options who I would be happy with.
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Would be great if the club did have some imagination. How did Southampton get Pocchetino (who I'd never heard of before he went there) and then they landed Koeman? And Leicester get Ranieri. We're scratching around with the same old list of maybes, although having said that I'd be very happy with Moyes
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Would be great if the club did have some imagination. How did Southampton get Pocchetino (who I'd never heard of before he went there) and then they landed Koeman? And Leicester get Ranieri. We're scratching around with the same old list of maybes, although having said that I'd be very happy with Moyes
Did we not try imagination last time
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Would be great if the club did have some imagination. How did Southampton get Pocchetino (who I'd never heard of before he went there) and then they landed Koeman? And Leicester get Ranieri. We're scratching around with the same old list of maybes, although having said that I'd be very happy with Moyes
Did we not try imagination last time
My thoughts exactly.
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Imagination was served to us twice recently. First with the Chiseler and then with Remi. I would love to see a Pochettinho or Koeman type manager at VP but only when the rest of the Club is sorted. We need a RSM type now to sort out out lazy bar stewards pretending to be professional footballers.
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Imagination was served to us twice recently. First with the Chiseler and then with Remi. I would love to see a Pochettinho or Koeman type manager at VP but only when the rest of the Club is sorted. We need a RSM type now to sort out out lazy bar stewards pretending to be professional footballers.
Oh dear - I am rather getting the impression that this site is warming to RSM Pearson!! I really don't see what he has done is any better than Lambert prior to him moving to VP. For the players that remain out of this disaster an arm round the shoulder and a rekindling of self confidence may be a more appropriate approach. Not saying Pearson can't do that but there may be better at it out there.
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Beginning to think that even if the board showed some imagination which is totally alien to them , then Moyes is now off our radar - he is obviously waiting for Celtic or Everton to bite.
I don't want Pearson Full stop. He is not and cannot be a Villa Man.
Dcyhe again would be a pipe dream. Might try for Smith from Brentford or ask Little to help out.
Not an awful lot of options who I would be happy with.
Just can't see that to be honest. Scottish football is in a shocking state and Celtic are a poor side. As for Everton, we've seen some of their fans thoughts on him on here, so I doubt that will be an option.
Interesting you mention Dean Smith. From the local area and him and his family are Villa fans. Did a good job at Walsall and is doing pretty well at Brentford. Would obviously be a dream job for him, but would it be too big?
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The latest rumour is that Bernstein wanted to approach Roy Hodgson as his england contract has yet to be renewed.
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The Hodgson idea is the easiest but of reporting out. As soon as Bernstein arrived I said on here it would not surprise me but there is no way we should be waiting till after the Euros so if there is a shred of truth in it I am glad it's not come to pass. Hopefully we will appoint someone quickly now. The takeover may not affect it as much as you think. A lot of prospective owners would look for a manager that will get promotion straight away. Pearson might well fit that bill in a 2 year deal knowing that you can always pack him off if need be once up. I hope the idea of Moyes waiting is a possibility but I doubt there is much in it
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The Hodgson idea is the easiest but of reporting out. As soon as Bernstein arrived I said on here it would not surprise me but there is no way we should be waiting till after the Euros so if there is a shred of truth in it I am glad it's not come to pass. Hopefully we will appoint someone quickly now. The takeover may not affect it as much as you think. A lot of prospective owners would look for a manager that will get promotion straight away. Pearson might well fit that bill in a 2 year deal knowing that you can always pack him off if need be once up. I hope the idea of Moyes waiting is a possibility but I doubt there is much in it
I agree totally that waiting for the euro's to finish is far too long. The rebuilding process has to happen as soon as this sorry season is over. Unfortunately i cannot see Moyes coming to us. He has never been that interested. I'd rather have Warnock than Pearson though!
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Imagination was served to us twice recently. First with the Chiseler and then with Remi. I would love to see a Pochettinho or Koeman type manager at VP but only when the rest of the Club is sorted. We need a RSM type now to sort out out lazy bar stewards pretending to be professional footballers.
Oh dear - I am rather getting the impression that this site is warming to RSM Pearson!! I really don't see what he has done is any better than Lambert prior to him moving to VP. For the players that remain out of this disaster an arm round the shoulder and a rekindling of self confidence may be a more appropriate approach. Not saying Pearson can't do that but there may be better at it out there.
I am not vying for Pearson as I don't like him but unless there is a miracle around the corner we will have the squad of players around next season and the way some of them have behaved we do need to shake things up a bit. So IMO I think we need a strict disciplinarian.
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According to something I heard earlier Eddie Howe is being lined up for Everton which I think would be a great move for them. Obviously means Moyes would be out.
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Would be great if the club did have some imagination. How did Southampton get Pocchetino (who I'd never heard of before he went there) and then they landed Koeman? And Leicester get Ranieri. We're scratching around with the same old list of maybes, although having said that I'd be very happy with Moyes
Did we not try imagination last time
My thoughts exactly.
We tried it once and Remi didn't work out work for any number of reasons. We also tried going British three times on the trot and that didn't work either. Saying we tried imagination once, it didn't work, so we'll not try it again and instead go back to British and stick a pin in a list of the same old managers - none of whom have achieved anything of note. If I had to choose a colour to describe that list in the poll it would be magnolia, bordering on beige. Totally neutral and uninspiring
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According to something I heard earlier Eddie Howe is being lined up for Everton which I think would be a great move for them. Obviously means Moyes would be out.
It'd be very interesting to see how he does there if it happens.He's done a tremendous job at Bournemouth then had that short spell away that didn't work out.
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According to something I heard earlier Eddie Howe is being lined up for Everton which I think would be a great move for them. Obviously means Moyes would be out.
don't think Moyes will go back to Everyon anyway,
the fans don't want him for a start couldn't wait to get rid of him the last time
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According to something I heard earlier Eddie Howe is being lined up for Everton which I think would be a great move for them. Obviously means Moyes would be out.
don't think Moyes will go back to Everyon anyway, the fans don't want him for a start couldn't wait to get rid of him the last time
From what I've read, I think most would have him back tomorrow but only as their defensive coach. Martinez is the opposite; loves to attack but can't organise the defence.
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Maybe Moyes to Bournemouth? Quite and attractive club these days, with a billionaire chairman. Howe would be daft to move!
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Maybe Moyes to Bournemouth? Quite and attractive club these days, with a billionaire chairman. Howe would be daft to move!
what you think a manager would be daft For wanting to move from Bournemouth to Everton
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According to something I heard earlier Eddie Howe is being lined up for Everton which I think would be a great move for them. Obviously means Moyes would be out.
He is a scouser and an Evertonian. These things never work out nicely.
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According to something I heard earlier Eddie Howe is being lined up for Everton which I think would be a great move for them. Obviously means Moyes would be out.
He is a scouser and an Evertonian. These things never work out nicely.
No, they tend not to.
Pressure x 10 and expectation levels x 5 from day 1.
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Well we are holed, drifting and taking on water. We need someone to stop us sinking to the bottom of the ocean fairly quickly as the way it seems at the moment that no salvage crew will be able to save us if we drift much longer.
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From what's been said by various TV pundits this weekend Flores' job at Watford is under threat. Experience of getting a team promoted from the Champo, and of keeping them up afterwards, not a raving nutter, not Scottish or dour, not an English PFM, and carries himself with dignity. Ticks most of my boxes, and if Watford are mad enough to bin him (or even if they're not) I'd go for him.
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From what's been said by various TV pundits this weekend Flores' job at Watford is under threat. Experience of getting a team promoted from the Champo, and of keeping them up afterwards, not a raving nutter, not Scottish or dour, not an English PFM, and carries himself with dignity. Ticks most of my boxes, and if Watford are mad enough to bin him (or even if they're not) I'd go for him.
The last former Watford manager we employed in Division 2 didn't perform too shabbily for us.
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According to something I heard earlier Eddie Howe is being lined up for Everton which I think would be a great move for them. Obviously means Moyes would be out.
He is a scouser and an Evertonian. These things never work out nicely.
No, they tend not to.
Pressure x 10 and expectation levels x 5 from day 1.
I wouldn't rule him out of the England job should Hodgson step down in the summer. Assuming the FA want to go English, the list is a shocking indictment of quality in a country awash with money invested in the game.
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How about recently sacked Graham Westley??
Dubbed by Posh fans as the David Brent of London Road.
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From what's been said by various TV pundits this weekend Flores' job at Watford is under threat. Experience of getting a team promoted from the Champo, and of keeping them up afterwards, not a raving nutter, not Scottish or dour, not an English PFM, and carries himself with dignity. Ticks most of my boxes, and if Watford are mad enough to bin him (or even if they're not) I'd go for him.
The last former Watford manager we employed in Division 2 didn't perform too shabbily for us.
They'd be bonkers to fire him. He's done a fantastic job.
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From what's been said by various TV pundits this weekend Flores' job at Watford is under threat. Experience of getting a team promoted from the Champo, and of keeping them up afterwards, not a raving nutter, not Scottish or dour, not an English PFM, and carries himself with dignity. Ticks most of my boxes, and if Watford are mad enough to bin him (or even if they're not) I'd go for him.
It wasn't Flores that got Watford promoted. He's only been there since the summer.
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From what's been said by various TV pundits this weekend Flores' job at Watford is under threat. Experience of getting a team promoted from the Champo, and of keeping them up afterwards, not a raving nutter, not Scottish or dour, not an English PFM, and carries himself with dignity. Ticks most of my boxes, and if Watford are mad enough to bin him (or even if they're not) I'd go for him.
It wasn't Flores that got Watford promoted. He's only been there since the summer.
Damn hadn't realised that it was Jokanovic got them up. One of my boxes unticked but still wouldn't mind him as boss.
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Bernstein wanted us to get Hodgson after the Euros according to The Sun so possibly best that he's gone?
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From what's been said by various TV pundits this weekend Flores' job at Watford is under threat. Experience of getting a team promoted from the Champo, and of keeping them up afterwards, not a raving nutter, not Scottish or dour, not an English PFM, and carries himself with dignity. Ticks most of my boxes, and if Watford are mad enough to bin him (or even if they're not) I'd go for him.
The last former Watford manager we employed in Division 2 didn't perform too shabbily for us.
They'd be bonkers to fire him. He's done a fantastic job.
That's what all the pundits are saying, and I fully agree, but the owners are known for being trigger happy and are apparently unhappy that the second half of the season went a bit flat after a very good first half of the season raised their expectations. I think they need to get a grip.
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Bernstein wanted us to get Hodgson after the Euros according to The Sun so possibly best that he's gone?
I'd take Hodgson over most of the other candidates any day.
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I'm not sure he'd be the best man to work with Wandy.
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Bernstein wanted us to get Hodgson after the Euros according to The Sun so possibly best that he's gone?
No, not really. Firstly, Hodgson is a million times better candidate than pretty much anyone on the list. Also, the fact that we had a director who was allegedly aiming to take the national team manager rather than scouring the list of managers who were desperate for a job is the nearest we've got to ambition in years.
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Howe would still be my choice. Not a fan of Hodgson, but given his win ratio and career, I think he'll be a bit out of our league currently
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After 4 years in charge of England, I doubt a man of his age will wan't to go back to the weekly grind of the Championship.
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Ex-England managers have taken worse jobs. Ramsay especially.
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Ex-England managers have taken worse jobs. Ramsay especially.
P-P-pick up a penguin.
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Bernstein wanted us to get Hodgson after the Euros according to The Sun so possibly best that he's gone?
I'd take Hodgson over most of the other candidates any day.
Me too.
The thing Hodgson does best is organise teams. He's one of the best at it.
If there's one basic thing we desperately need, it is organisation.
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Can we wait for a new manager until after the Euros though. Not much time to prepare
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Can we wait for a new manager until after the Euros though. Not much time to prepare
Yeah, plus he's not exactly in the spring of youth. Good coach but not sure we can hang around for him.
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Yeah, plus he's not exactly in the spring of youth.
Careful now I got pelted for similar comment about B&K the other day😟
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Yeah, plus he's not exactly in the spring of youth.
Careful now I got pelted for similar comment about B&K the other day😟
Neither is Claudio Ranieri
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Can we wait for a new manager until after the Euros though. Not much time to prepare
Yeah, plus he's not exactly in the spring of youth. Good coach but not sure we can hang around for him.
He'd probably have sent Southgate in to do the groundwork.
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Bernstein wanted us to get Hodgson after the Euros according to The Sun so possibly best that he's gone?
I'd take Hodgson over most of the other candidates any day.
Me too.
The thing Hodgson does best is organise teams. He's one of the best at it.
If there's one basic thing we desperately need, it is organisation.
Not the sexiest name out there, but we don't need sexy right now.
We need some utilitarian, fit the purpose, knows what it's doing type shit.
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Can we wait for a new manager until after the Euros though. Not much time to prepare
This is England, we'll only need the first 10 days!
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Hodgson with Southgate as assistant?
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The one point against Hodgson, who I've been a great admirer of since his Swiss days, is the fact he'll be completely washed up after the Euros. We'll need somebody full of life, energised and raring to go on the 1st of June. There's so much work to be done even before the squad come back for training.
Shame. The only possibility I could see is if he had a very, very trusted Nº 2 that could prepare things for him but realistically, that's very unlikely, not to mention, too risky.
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Can we wait for a new manager until after the Euros though. Not much time to prepare
Can't see him getting sacked even if England do poorly. I mean who else is out there who is realistically going to take over?
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Pardew after his fa cup win.
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Pardew after his fa cup win.
FA Cup aside, Pardew has had a shocking second half of the season. They could go foreign again, but even then, who is there out there?
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Pardew after his fa cup win.
FA Cup aside, Pardew has had a shocking second half of the season.
Says the man that wants Flores. ;)
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Pardew after his fa cup win.
FA Cup aside, Pardew has had a shocking second half of the season.
Says the man that wants Flores. ;)
Sorry mate, not with you. Who wants Flores?
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Pardew after his fa cup win.
FA Cup aside, Pardew has had a shocking second half of the season.
Says the man that wants Flores. ;)
Sorry mate, not with you. Who wants Flores?
SuperTomd2103. ;)
It's late.
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Pardew after his fa cup win.
FA Cup aside, Pardew has had a shocking second half of the season.
Says the man that wants Flores. ;)
Sorry mate, not with you. Who wants Flores?
SuperTomd2103. ;)
It's late.
Not guilty mate. It's been Moyes all the way for me with Hughton as second choice. After sitting through the Bournemouth and Southampton games, I'd take just about anyone though instead of Eric Black.
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Not guilty mate. It's been Moyes all the way for me with Hughton as second choice. After sitting through the Bournemouth and Southampton games, I'd take just about anyone though instead of Eric Black.
Funny you say that, reading the Everton forums on Moyes time there, him and Eric Black are very similar in how they baffle the crowd with their dull, defensive team selection. Moyes liked to contain the opposition for 70/75 minutes before bringing on a more adventurous player for the last 15/20 minutes in an attempt to win the game.
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Not familiar with this 'winning a game' you speak of.
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Does any one think that a new manager will be appointed under Lerners ownership, unless of course there is no sale and they will be at the bottom of the barrell.
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Ellis signed MON during or just prior to due diligence by Randy.
It's a bit of a myth that Randy signed MON, thus displaying some intelligence about UK Soccer.
But, to be fair, he did accept the signing.
With a Sale, probably near, the managership issue is crucial.
If one is appointed, with a Sale just a few months or due-diligences away, who in their right mind would come. NOT a NAME, like Moyes etc.
Unless with a reasonable pay-off.
Who would come for a few months, expecting a new owner to have his own ideas and agenda? As Randy knew buggar all about 'soccer', he accepted MON as a fait accompli
~ new owners may not be as thick as he was, and the question arises as to which party pays-off the "new manager". The buyer or the seller that appointed him ?
It might suit both the seller, and the new owners, to keep ex-bluenose-Black in situ, on a rolling 1 month contract. He's going to get his pay-off anyway.
BUT...that really messes up the transfer window.
Is that why Really-Oh-Reiley is still around...to weave more magic ?
I'm getting quite fearful, that after the deadwood is being hacked away.... idiots paid-off....
resignations accepted....we are left with Hollis, Brian and Really to get a new manager under conditions that only the most greedy would accept.
No self-respecting manager would join a club in transitionary ownership__ come on...would you, Allardyce or Rafa do that ? Would David Moyes ?
Eric stays I fear..a few more £50k a weeks until we are sold, then he gets his pay-off.
That seems simple and logical to me.
Unles Ian Dowie jacks in his McDonald's job ;D
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The big worry is the club will bring another yesman in. We saw how anyone with independent thought like King and Bernstein was dealt with, and any manager with enough of a reputation to worry about losing it, won't take the job unless he's given some control. I'm not hopeful Lerner will allow that so that leaves us with the sort of candidates who will take the job under any circumstances given the right pay-packet
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My thoughts exactly sicko ;D
The way to Randy's wallet and trust, is by being a "YES MAN", a bottom-kisser.
Gulag to Faulkner to Fox To Gulag again....
The biggest brown-nosing, butt-licking creep was a manager. ;D
And he had the longest spell in Randy's conscious reign.
Lambert...who had the audacity to suggest, that Randy might actually be at VP matches, but in another executive box.....jeez....that is bottom-sniffing , mis-direction and
trully blatant creeping...how did he live with that comment?
Worse, how did our well feted journo's respond to that? They ignored it, didn't bother to publish that Randy had not been at Villa Park more than twice in 6 years.
Not been in the UK even.
Nope, the journos stuck with their luncheons and free dinners at VP and allowed the biggest brown-noser in history to get away with it.
Except Matt Kendrick who was moved at the BM, after he was 'blanked' by Lambert at Pressers.
Lick Randy's bottom and you succeed.
A 'nice man' as they say...as long as he is lubricated by tongues !
:-*
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Alftitimus, you post in the same vein as Randy corresponds with the fans. As I have never seen you and Randy in the same room, I think you are our errant owner and claim my five pounds.
Is the sale close Alf?
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Back On Top...
In this thread I've seen Rowett mentioned now and again...but he isn't in the selection...neither is Roberto Martinez 8)
I think Rowett would be very Cheap...what Burton to the Blues who got no dosh ?????
;D ;D ;D
Thing is, he's a bit like Pardew and also Bruce.
Rides the "New-Manager-Bounce" superbly. A different kind of Manager to any predecessor.
BUT....and always a BUT.... Second Season Syndrome?
Pardew may get to Wembley, but his Second Season at Palace has been as disastrous as at Toon etc.
Does that guy go on Holiday for 6 months ?
Bruce similar. Failed in every second season, and taken Hull down to struggling to retain a Play-Off place from being Top a couple of months ago. 8)
Rowett is the VERY CHEAP version of these two.
Never managed in the Premier, so doesn't know tricks and ego blandishments needed for High-Maintanence players.
Spent a TOTAL pittance of about £2mill in 2 Years... on players who can't get into his "safety-first" side.
Would be ideal as a "holding manager"...but anyone taking over here would get rid of him fast.
imo.
The worst thing is, he's a closet villan...or so he's said in the last week or so, castigated the noses for being happy at our prediciment.
But he is also a Ram's supporter. His familly have STs there.
Thing is, I don't trust him...don't rate him.... his 2nd Season is pure Pardew and Holloway.
Don't put him on any New Poll...please...nor McKay / Bruce / Holloway / Pearson...etc etc...
Either make a New POll a WISHLIST for readers.......or make it serious by averaging out the bookies.
:)
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Alftitimus, you post in the same vein as Randy corresponds with the fans. As I have never seen you and Randy in the same room, I think you are our errant owner and claim my five pounds.
Is the sale close Alf?
YES !!!....or possibly NO.....
I'm on Holiday in Florida at the moment....I have seen that my new wife is filing Divorce Papers with the same firm that made Mel Gibson go on Welfare.
I saw it in a paper that they sell at cashouts in WalMart.
I was incognito with a moustache.... so no one would recognise me, but I took the paper that this overweight lady shoved at me and read it in the disguised Limo to evade detection. {Where it recently had "Randy" on the sides...it now reads "Bandy"...pure genius..My General thought that up....you pay the best to get the best}
It appears according to this paper that I am being divorced. ... AGAIN!
I didn't know this and under Californian Law as well....I always had a pre-nuptial based in an East Coast State..... this might explain her registered abode now seems to be The Beverly Hills Hotel in Hollywood. Where they make movies.
I am a really 'on-the-ball' guy, so I contacted the General a couple of days ago and he will get back to me soon...his voice-mail said. He's a Tiger when let loose.
He YELLS at people.
My PA when i contacted her to ask about this terrible divorce story, said that is was true and that all I would be left with is I lost was my overseas assets and Aston Villa...a soccer club. I then went into overdrive, demanaded the General to reply...and he did.
He contacted me from his Florida resort and we realised we were only 2 miles away from each other.
We discussed this Aston Villa thing as being a potential assett...we are now trying to lure it off as a bargain in any settlement.
The General's right-hand-man..... ex-Cpl Slim-Hips as he calls him, is now in negotiation with my future ex...whose name i've forgotten...the one with the blonde hair and roots...I think....
But...to Sum up....
YES Aston Villa's future is SAFE....I think...
Someone will buy it the General said ...but if we can increase the Sale by letting my future ex know she could be a Knight of the Realm...like that woman who's name escapes me...with the big flabby bosoms and a dwarf husband....what's her name ?
Anyway....the good news is that VILLA IS SAFE.....
My PA contacted me when I was in the Bahamas discussing 'important stuff' with the General.... my future ex could accept ownership of Villa, at £99.99 million and debts.
Then I would escape with only a few billion.
She would be a Knight-of-the-Realm, get to go to Garden Parties and such.
For a Celebration...the General and his Co-Ord and me had 3 drinks..on my Tab...
then wended our way to our rooms.
I didn't see either of them the next day, and had horrifical problems booking an aeroplane ticket...my New York office had to do it..
But I was safe in the knowledge that ...like the 'Browns'.... Aston Villa Soccer Club ...would be safe and secured...... with my ex or whoever....so I have returned to finish my holiday after all the exertion of the past weeks.
:)
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Please use fewer full stops. its gbh for the eyes reading your posts
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Alftitimus
I skip over your posts now, they are entirely unreadable. I suspect many others do too. You clearly put some time and thought into them and if you don't want this to be wasted and want to get your points across please reconsider your posting style. It is infuriating to say the least. If you want some pointers, speak in coherent sentences and use less, much less, animation.
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Alftitimus
I skip over your posts now, they are entirely unreadable. I suspect many others do too. You clearly put some time and thought into them and if you don't want this to be wasted and want to get your points across please reconsider your posting style. It is infuriating to say the least. If you want some pointers, speak in coherent sentences and use less, much less, animation.
Got to say I agree. They're too much hard work.
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It might suit both the seller, and the new owners, to keep ex-bluenose-Black in situ, on a rolling 1 month contract. He's going to get his pay-off anyway.
Why would he get a pay-off if he just has a rolling 1 month contract?
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Pardew after his fa cup win.
FA Cup aside, Pardew has had a shocking second half of the season.
Says the man that wants Flores. ;)
Sorry mate, not with you. Who wants Flores?
Well, he did lead the Raiders to two Superbowl titles but I'd have thought he was a bit old now.
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Alftitimus
I skip over your posts now, they are entirely unreadable. I suspect many others do too. You clearly put some time and thought into them and if you don't want this to be wasted and want to get your points across please reconsider your posting style. It is infuriating to say the least. If you want some pointers, speak in coherent sentences and use less, much less, animation.
Got to say I agree. They're too much hard work.
I haven't read them for a long time. The time some of them must take though... I don't know how he does it.
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Alftitimus
I skip over your posts now, they are entirely unreadable. I suspect many others do too. You clearly put some time and thought into them and if you don't want this to be wasted and want to get your points across please reconsider your posting style. It is infuriating to say the least. If you want some pointers, speak in coherent sentences and use less, much less, animation.
Got to say I agree. They're too much hard work.
I haven't read them for a long time. The time some of them must take though... I don't know how he does it.
Alftitimus
I skip over your posts now, they are entirely unreadable. I suspect many others do too. You clearly put some time and thought into them and if you don't want this to be wasted and want to get your points across please reconsider your posting style. It is infuriating to say the least. If you want some pointers, speak in coherent sentences and use less, much less, animation.
Got to say I agree. They're too much hard work.
No problem understanding his posts here.
I think the point he is making about a potential take-over and who would pay the compensation to a manager should any new owner not want him is extremely valid. Or indeed which manager worth his salts would currently take the job? With us being in this terrible state of limbo and in obvious need of leadership I would let Black go and ask Brian Little to do a holding job (if he would) until we get new owners. I think the advantages of this would be that the fans would at least get behind him. It could alleviate a big compensation pay out to any manager should there be a take over and possibly remove that potential take-over obstacle. We desperately need a leader in this time of crisis Mr Black is in my opinion not that man and things are getting worse by the week if not day.
I can't think of anyone else who could currently galvanise us and see us over this extraordinary difficult period.
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Alftitimus
I skip over your posts now, they are entirely unreadable. I suspect many others do too. You clearly put some time and thought into them and if you don't want this to be wasted and want to get your points across please reconsider your posting style. It is infuriating to say the least. If you want some pointers, speak in coherent sentences and use less, much less, animation.
Got to say I agree. They're too much hard work.
I haven't read them for a long time. The time some of them must take though... I don't know how he does it.
Alftitimus
I skip over your posts now, they are entirely unreadable. I suspect many others do too. You clearly put some time and thought into them and if you don't want this to be wasted and want to get your points across please reconsider your posting style. It is infuriating to say the least. If you want some pointers, speak in coherent sentences and use less, much less, animation.
Got to say I agree. They're too much hard work.
No problem understanding his posts here.
I think the point he is making about a potential take-over and who would pay the compensation to a manager should any new owner not want him is extremely valid. Or indeed which manager worth his salts would currently take the job? ...
Great stuff. Nobody is saying whether the point is valid or not, it just seems a few of us can't be bothered to read the posts because they are too much hard work. So are you going to translate all the posts for us in future or would it be easier if Alftitimus altered his posting style a little bit so we can all enjoy them?
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Alftitimus
I skip over your posts now, they are entirely unreadable. I suspect many others do too. You clearly put some time and thought into them and if you don't want this to be wasted and want to get your points across please reconsider your posting style. It is infuriating to say the least. If you want some pointers, speak in coherent sentences and use less, much less, animation.
Got to say I agree. They're too much hard work.
I haven't read them for a long time. The time some of them must take though... I don't know how he does it.
Alftitimus
I skip over your posts now, they are entirely unreadable. I suspect many others do too. You clearly put some time and thought into them and if you don't want this to be wasted and want to get your points across please reconsider your posting style. It is infuriating to say the least. If you want some pointers, speak in coherent sentences and use less, much less, animation.
Got to say I agree. They're too much hard work.
No problem understanding his posts here.
I think the point he is making about a potential take-over and who would pay the compensation to a manager should any new owner not want him is extremely valid. Or indeed which manager worth his salts would currently take the job? ...
Great stuff. Nobody is saying whether the point is valid or not, it just seems a few of us can't be bothered to read the posts because they are too much hard work. So are you going to translate all the posts for us in future or would it be easier if Alftitimus altered his posting style a little bit so we can all enjoy them?
I'm just saying in the interest of balance I don't have a problem with his writing style ;-)
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Please use fewer full stops. its gbh for the eyes reading your posts
no its not , jesus christ , talk about picking faults just for the sake of it
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Yes it fucking is! And I have some fuck-off diplomas that say I can say so.
*Only half a winky thing*
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If you've got something to say, then its because it might be something interesting that others want to read. If what you type is so intelligible so that how you've typed it becomes the subject rather than the content, then you're missing the point, as it rendered what you've said as irrelevant.
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Yes it fucking is! And I have some fuck-off diplomas that say I can say so.
*Only half a winky thing*
charming language
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I disagree. As long as its not txt speak I dont care. It was a bit harder to read but nothing like some of the drivel on here some times . Mainly by me.
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I disagree. As long as its not txt speak I dont care. It was a bit harder to read but nothing like some of the drivel on here some times . Mainly by me.
OK M8
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C u nxt tue
Lol
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Alftitimus, you post in the same vein as Randy corresponds with the fans. As I have never seen you and Randy in the same room, I think you are our errant owner and claim my five pounds.
Is the sale close Alf?
YES !!!....or possibly NO.....
I'm on Holiday in Florida at the moment....I have seen that my new wife is filing Divorce Papers with the same firm that made Mel Gibson go on Welfare.
I saw it in a paper that they sell at cashouts in WalMart.
I was incognito with a moustache.... so no one would recognise me, but I took the paper that this overweight lady shoved at me and read it in the disguised Limo to evade detection. {Where it recently had "Randy" on the sides...it now reads "Bandy"...pure genius..My General thought that up....you pay the best to get the best}
It appears according to this paper that I am being divorced. ... AGAIN!
I didn't know this and under Californian Law as well....I always had a pre-nuptial based in an East Coast State..... this might explain her registered abode now seems to be The Beverly Hills Hotel in Hollywood. Where they make movies.
I am a really 'on-the-ball' guy, so I contacted the General a couple of days ago and he will get back to me soon...his voice-mail said. He's a Tiger when let loose.
He YELLS at people.
My PA when i contacted her to ask about this terrible divorce story, said that is was true and that all I would be left with is I lost was my overseas assets and Aston Villa...a soccer club. I then went into overdrive, demanaded the General to reply...and he did.
He contacted me from his Florida resort and we realised we were only 2 miles away from each other.
We discussed this Aston Villa thing as being a potential assett...we are now trying to lure it off as a bargain in any settlement.
The General's right-hand-man..... ex-Cpl Slim-Hips as he calls him, is now in negotiation with my future ex...whose name i've forgotten...the one with the blonde hair and roots...I think....
But...to Sum up....
YES Aston Villa's future is SAFE....I think...
Someone will buy it the General said ...but if we can increase the Sale by letting my future ex know she could be a Knight of the Realm...like that woman who's name escapes me...with the big flabby bosoms and a dwarf husband....what's her name ?
Anyway....the good news is that VILLA IS SAFE.....
My PA contacted me when I was in the Bahamas discussing 'important stuff' with the General.... my future ex could accept ownership of Villa, at £99.99 million and debts.
Then I would escape with only a few billion.
She would be a Knight-of-the-Realm, get to go to Garden Parties and such.
For a Celebration...the General and his Co-Ord and me had 3 drinks..on my Tab...
then wended our way to our rooms.
I didn't see either of them the next day, and had horrifical problems booking an aeroplane ticket...my New York office had to do it..
But I was safe in the knowledge that ...like the 'Browns'.... Aston Villa Soccer Club ...would be safe and secured...... with my ex or whoever....so I have returned to finish my holiday after all the exertion of the past weeks.
:)
Good stuff Alf,
enjoyed your rambling, surreal blethering.
You must germinate, grow and smoke the same strain that I used to?
There should be plenty of room on here for alternative styles.
Personally. I hate commas and semi colons with a passion.
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I have zero issue with him posting like that. Free country and all that jazz. I just don't bother reading them because they are hard work. He would get his points across better if he did change his style but like I said... woteva flotes ur bote.
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Neil Warnock? Would do a job without wanting to stay in the PL
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Warnock is now favourite.
Martinez odds shortening.
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I always have been impressed with Mark Warburton. But that particular boat is one we've missed.
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I don't want to think about a Manager until we have a stinking rich owner in place who's going to throw money at us like a drunken lottery winner.
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I always have been impressed with Mark Warburton. But that particular boat is one we've missed.
He's the best thing since sliced...no...just no....I'm not going there.
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I always have been impressed with Mark Warburton. But that particular boat is one we've missed.
He's the best thing since sliced...no...just no....I'm not going there.
No Warburtons for me. Kingsmill till I die. It's like the Bloods and the Crips.
KTID
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Warnock is now favourite.
Martinez odds shortening.
Warnock is favourite in which world?
Pearson is as short as 8/13 on, Wazzock is 14/1.
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Well, I'm off to Cape Verde today for a week. Total break. I wonder what Villa will look like when I get back. New owner? Dynamic Manager? I hope so, but, this is Villa.
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If they announce a new manager and it's the like of any of them forget about a takeover. Cart before the horse.
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Have we got a new manager yet?
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Well, I'm off to Cape Verde today for a week. Total break. I wonder what Villa will look like when I get back. New owner? Dynamic Manager? I hope so, but, this is Villa.
We'll probably have restocked the vending machines at bodymoor and that's about it. Oh and lost again 3/4-0.
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I always have been impressed with Mark Warburton. But that particular boat is one we've missed.
He's the best thing since sliced...no...just no....I'm not going there.
No don't. It's stale.
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I always have been impressed with Mark Warburton. But that particular boat is one we've missed.
He's the best thing since sliced...no...just no....I'm not going there.
No don't. It's stale.
You could say it's toast!
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Move along, muffin to see here
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Surely we haven't got the dough to go after Warburton?
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I always have been impressed with Mark Warburton. But that particular boat is one we've missed.
He's the best thing since sliced...no...just no....I'm not going there.
No don't. It's stale.
we knead him down here
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Surely we haven't got the dough to go after Warburton?
I can see him moving to Brighton & Hovis Albion
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According to the Daily Heil & The Mirror , Pearson has held a second round of talks with Chairman Hollis....
" Mirror Sport understands Pearson has since met new Villa chairman Steve Hollis twice for constructive talks" .......wonder if he got some ITK stuff on the Takeover ?......Godzvilla!
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If a takeover were close to happening we wouldn't be having talks with Pearson.
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This thread is like a form of torture.
This morning I woke up to talk of Warnock. Last week it was Mick, before that Pearson. We've had other names of nightmares too I'm sure and now we're back to the crazy man that strangled a player.
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If a takeover were close to happening we wouldn't be having talks with Pearson, would we??? ::)
Fixed
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If a takeover were close to happening we wouldn't be having talks with Pearson.
Why not?
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If a takeover were close to happening we wouldn't be having talks with Pearson.
Why not?
Because you'd think that anyone involved in a takeover would want to talk to their own candidates giving our track record with appointing bag of shit managers recently and see things for themselves.
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Pearson's stock/profile will surely rise worldwide after Leicester win the title.
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I want Pearson to come in. We'd win the league.
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I've just accepted it's going to be Pearson. just makes things easier.
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I've just accepted it's going to be Pearson. just makes things easier.
makes things harder for me. it will take a lot for me to revive my love for this football club if that absolute moron is appointed
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A few wins and she'll be right
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Assuming a takeover is happening, I'll be disappointed if we don't make every effort to get Moyes. It would be such a show of intent and would get the fans right on side from the off; a new dawn. The rebirth.
He seems to be waiting to see what happens; if he really wanted to go to Celtic he could have said so by now. If we limit ourselves to people like Pearson, that other clubs our size won't go near, then it wouldn't inspire much confidence in their ambition for us. I want us to act like a big club again. Moyes manager, Petrov Club Captain... that feels more like Villa. Okay, so it might not happen, but let's dare to dream!
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Pearson to Celtic now although the headline says one thing and the article another
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/664715/Celtic-Aston-Villa-Nigel-Pearson-Premier-League-transfer-news-gossip-rumours
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I just shuddered as I saw a report saying Pearson has held talks and will likely keep Black as his Assistant..... Then I realised it was Moxley.
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As most publications think Powell will be number 2 Black will be first team coach at best. The negative dullard can be tea boy if he wants, but if he is coming I want to see Pearson backed to build a side that play a similar way to Leicester, strong down the middle with width and a bit of flair and genuine togetherness. Black won't help that at all, he has already alienated some of our squad.
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Assuming a takeover is happening, I'll be disappointed if we don't make every effort to get Moyes. It would be such a show of intent and would get the fans right on side from the off; a new dawn. The rebirth.
Why would they? The board made no effort to stay in the premier league, why on earth would they make an effort to get a good new manager for the Championship?
When they eventually can be bothered to hire a new manager it will be an exciting up and coming British manager who will work within the framework of the club*
*translation- low salary and plays hoofball on the cheap.
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Assuming a takeover is happening, I'll be disappointed if we don't make every effort to get Moyes. It would be such a show of intent and would get the fans right on side from the off; a new dawn. The rebirth.
Why would they? The board made no effort to stay in the premier league, why on earth would they make an effort to get a good new manager for the Championship?
When they eventually can be bothered to hire a new manager it will be an exciting up and coming British manager who will work within the framework of the club*
*translation- low salary and plays hoofball on the cheap.
Sorry, what I meant was, if a takeover happens and the new board choose the next manager I hope they go after Moyes. I fully agree that if the current board are in charge, we'll get someone cheap (ie not in work and that has never managed a club our size). Which is why the Pearson rumours seem believable.
But if a takeover is happening, why would the current board appoint anyone? A waste of money from their point of view and you'd like to think the new guys will have a completely different recruitment policy.
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I've just accepted it's going to be Pearson. just makes things easier.
makes things harder for me. it will take a lot for me to revive my love for this football club if that absolute moron is appointed
I agree. What moderate level of success he may achieve will be tainted by the fact it was achieved by a man I can't respect.
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I've just accepted it's going to be Pearson. just makes things easier.
makes things harder for me. it will take a lot for me to revive my love for this football club if that absolute moron is appointed
I agree. What moderate level of success he may achieve will be tainted by the fact it was achieved by a man I can't respect.
I'm not fond of him either but I'm pretty sure if he is successful you will respect him soon enough. A promotion and good football will do wonders for peoples moral judgment. Fergie gave plenty of taciturn interviews in his time and assaulted Beckham with a boot. No one really batted an eyelid.
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I've just accepted it's going to be Pearson. just makes things easier.
makes things harder for me. it will take a lot for me to revive my love for this football club if that absolute moron is appointed
I agree. What moderate level of success he may achieve will be tainted by the fact it was achieved by a man I can't respect.
I'm not fond of him either but I'm pretty sure if he is successful you will respect him soon enough. A promotion and good football will do wonders for peoples moral judgment. Fergie gave plenty of taciturn interviews in his time and assaulted Beckham with a boot. No one really batted an eyelid.
Not least Beckham.
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It's sad but if we appoint him and romp the championship he will be loved.
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And fans will start enjoying the 'them against us approach' and hearing him lay into Pat Murphy. Of course if he doesn't do well he will remain a twat and we'll all reluctantly enjoy reminding fellow fans how right we were in our original assessment.
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Ron Saunders wasn't liked by his players (sweeping generalisation I know) and had a very prickly relationship with the press. However, he was loved by the fans and brought trophies to Villa Park. I know what I prefer my manager to be - successful - the rest is an added bonus.
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Ron Saunders wasn't liked by his players (sweeping generalisation I know) and had a very prickly relationship with the press. However, he was loved by the fans and brought trophies to Villa Park. I know what I prefer my manager to be - successful - the rest is an added bonus.
Good point- the trick of any manager in business as well as football is to get the balance right. If you are liked and respected then you are doing well, if you are not liked but respected that is good enough but if you liked but not respected then failure will follow. I surmise that Sherwood was in the latter camp, Ron Saunders was, by some players not liked at all, but he was respected.
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I just shuddered as I saw a report saying Pearson has held talks and will likely keep Black as his Assistant..... Then I realised it was Moxley.
I really don't want Pearson because of all the off field shit.
It would be about right if we appointed him and then retained Black for all of his on field shit.
All angles covered.
Crosses fingers that at least the Black bit of the story is BS.
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Not my preferred choice (Pearson) but will accept him if it is
As for the rest - all of the back room team have to go. I would imagine its not just the players that have been taking a living whilst offering bugger all back
Fitness
Coaches - at all levels
Scouting
GK coach
Dieticians
everything needs ripping up and starting again
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I've just accepted it's going to be Pearson. just makes things easier.
makes things harder for me. it will take a lot for me to revive my love for this football club if that absolute moron is appointed
I agree. What moderate level of success he may achieve will be tainted by the fact it was achieved by a man I can't respect.
I'm not fond of him either but I'm pretty sure if he is successful you will respect him soon enough. A promotion and good football will do wonders for peoples moral judgment. Fergie gave plenty of taciturn interviews in his time and assaulted Beckham with a boot. No one really batted an eyelid.
I will never respect him unless he improves as a human being. As I say, if we do well with him at the helm, it will be tainted for me.
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Not my preferred choice (Pearson) but will accept him if it is
As for the rest - all of the back room team have to go. I would imagine its not just the players that have been taking a living whilst offering bugger all back
Fitness
Coaches - at all levels
Scouting
GK coach
Dieticians
everything needs ripping up and starting again
Fitness - Aquagymnastics for the frail and infirm
Coaches - at all levels -Do we still use Flights?
Scouting - Well they've all earned their advanced badges for folding wet paper towels.
GK coach - What's one of those?
Dieticians - Big Mac and Fries to go.
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I just shuddered as I saw a report saying Pearson has held talks and will likely keep Black as his Assistant..... Then I realised it was Moxley.
I don't see a massive problem with keeping Black on as assistant
he's ok until it comes to picking the team lineup, which he wont have to do if he's not the manager
he has been hopeless in that respect, but apart from that I think he's done alright
hasn't he ?
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Assuming a takeover is happening, I'll be disappointed if we don't make every effort to get Moyes. It would be such a show of intent and would get the fans right on side from the off; a new dawn. The rebirth.
Why would they? The board made no effort to stay in the premier league, why on earth would they make an effort to get a good new manager for the Championship?
When they eventually can be bothered to hire a new manager it will be an exciting up and coming British manager who will work within the framework of the club*
*translation- low salary and plays hoofball on the cheap.
Sorry, what I meant was, if a takeover happens and the new board choose the next manager I hope they go after Moyes. I fully agree that if the current board are in charge, we'll get someone cheap (ie not in work and that has never managed a club our size). Which is why the Pearson rumours seem believable.
But if a takeover is happening, why would the current board appoint anyone? A waste of money from their point of view and you'd like to think the new guys will have a completely different recruitment policy.
Oh I know. I was just being miserable :) You have a good point!
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I just shuddered as I saw a report saying Pearson has held talks and will likely keep Black as his Assistant..... Then I realised it was Moxley.
I don't see a massive problem with keeping Black on as assistant
he's ok until it comes to picking the team lineup, which he wont have to do if he's not the manager
he has been hopeless in that respect, but apart from that I think he's done alright
hasn't he ?
Has he seen us win??
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I just shuddered as I saw a report saying Pearson has held talks and will likely keep Black as his Assistant..... Then I realised it was Moxley.
I don't see a massive problem with keeping Black on as assistant
he's ok until it comes to picking the team lineup, which he wont have to do if he's not the manager
he has been hopeless in that respect, but apart from that I think he's done alright
hasn't he ?
So if we ignore the teams that he picks, what would you class as his successes in the role so far?
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A GK coach is the upgrade from Flights which was an upgrade from Smiths Imperial Coaches. In is much faster hence the name. Goos Kwik.
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A GK coach is the upgrade from Flights which was an upgrade from Smiths Imperial Coaches. In is much faster hence the name. Goos Kwik.
When I was a kid our home phone number was one digit away from Flights. We would get calls at all times of the day and night with some joker saying "The flights all clear to.......destination." Complicated by the fact it was a shared line. My dad was a very easy going man but these constant calls were one of the few things that made him angry.
Oh.....and Black should go, we need a complete clear out of coaching and management staff.
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I just shuddered as I saw a report saying Pearson has held talks and will likely keep Black as his Assistant..... Then I realised it was Moxley.
I don't see a massive problem with keeping Black on as assistant
he's ok until it comes to picking the team lineup, which he wont have to do if he's not the manager
he has been hopeless in that respect, but apart from that I think he's done alright
hasn't he ?
So if we ignore the teams that he picks, what would you class as his successes in the role so far?
Whatever the response here its a bit like writing your name on an exam paper and getting a mark for it.
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I like to think that Pearson would cut out all the nonsense if we appointed him, purely because he'd know it's by far the biggest job he'll ever get.
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I just shuddered as I saw a report saying Pearson has held talks and will likely keep Black as his Assistant..... Then I realised it was Moxley.
I don't see a massive problem with keeping Black on as assistant
he's ok until it comes to picking the team lineup, which he wont have to do if he's not the manager
he has been hopeless in that respect, but apart from that I think he's done alright
hasn't he ?
So if we ignore the teams that he picks, what would you class as his successes in the role so far?
Pissing the fans off.
Being unorganised defensively.
Arguing with players.
Poor at substitutions.
Negative.
Apart from that he seems to hate Gabby, which is a plus and he's an extra hand during training to help put the cones out and around the bibs.
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Don't be disrespectful of a man with 35 years experience
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And fans will start enjoying the 'them against us approach' and hearing him lay into Pat Murphy. Of course if he doesn't do well he will remain a twat and we'll all reluctantly enjoy reminding fellow fans how right we were in our original assessment.
I dont think Pearson is a man to change his personality.
While that personality has rare positives like humiliating Pat Murphy (and of course I would be delighted if he did that again as Villa manager) I cant shake the feeling that long term it would be a bad thing for the club the way he can treat players & presumably backroom staff.
Its like hiring Keane/Culverhouse/Karsa but this time with our eyes wide open. Doesnt seem that smart.
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I cant shake the feeling that long term it would be a bad thing for the club the way he can treat players & presumably backroom staff.
Its like hiring Keane/Culverhouse/Karsa but this time with our eyes wide open. Doesnt seem that smart.
Have I missed something. What has he done to his players and backroom staff?
I thought his crimes against the human race where:
1. Swearing a fan.
2. The McArthur (joke?) incident.
3. Talking bollocks in a press meeting.
4. Sounding a bit thick.
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I cant shake the feeling that long term it would be a bad thing for the club the way he can treat players & presumably backroom staff.
Its like hiring Keane/Culverhouse/Karsa but this time with our eyes wide open. Doesnt seem that smart.
Have I missed something. What has he done to his players and backroom staff?
I thought his crimes against the human race where:
1. Swearing a fan.
2. The McArthur (joke?) incident.
3. Talking bollocks in a press meeting.
4. Sounding a bit thick.
Nope you missed nothing. Just me speculating (making stuff up) and extending his jokes/incidents/mannerisms/personality to how he behaves with the team.
Hopefully I am completely off the mark and he is a pro and very motivational. My assumption however is that managers personalities are not that radically different from their public persona.
But thanks for the correction, there have bene no stories as far as I know that he is a twat behind the scenes.
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Keep Black ! What as ? Nothing football related I hope.
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Well all his players sang his praises, I think man-management is one of his strongest points from what I've read. I do wonder why so many think he'd kick arses to the lazy barstewards we have at the moment. Strange one.
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Just saw a link to poyet *sighs*
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Well all his players sang his praises, I think man-management is one of his strongest points from what I've read. I do wonder why so many think he'd kick arses to the lazy barstewards we have at the moment. Strange one.
Because there's an undertone of malevolence the interviews that have caught attention, plus the "FOAD" and strangle an opposition player incidents.
You're right though, all of his former players seem to speak very highly of him as a man manager. (Unless he really is a psycho and they're worried he'll turn up on their doorstep with a hammer and bag of large nails.)
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I cant shake the feeling that long term it would be a bad thing for the club the way he can treat players & presumably backroom staff.
Its like hiring Keane/Culverhouse/Karsa but this time with our eyes wide open. Doesnt seem that smart.
Have I missed something. What has he done to his players and backroom staff?
I thought his crimes against the human race where:
1. Swearing a fan.
2. The McArthur (joke?) incident.
3. Talking bollocks in a press meeting.
4. Sounding a bit thick.
Nope you missed nothing. Just me speculating (making stuff up) and extending his jokes/incidents/mannerisms/personality to how he behaves with the team.
Hopefully I am completely off the mark and he is a pro and very motivational. My assumption however is that managers personalities are not that radically different from their public persona.
But thanks for the correction, there have bene no stories as far as I know that he is a twat behind the scenes.
I think a lot of us are having flashbacks to insane PE teachers in our past ;-)
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I just shuddered as I saw a report saying Pearson has held talks and will likely keep Black as his Assistant..... Then I realised it was Moxley.
I don't see a massive problem with keeping Black on as assistant
he's ok until it comes to picking the team lineup, which he wont have to do if he's not the manager
he has been hopeless in that respect, but apart from that I think he's done alright
hasn't he ?
So if we ignore the teams that he picks, what would you class as his successes in the role so far?
Dumping players that have crossed a disciplinary line. Working with players that are unmotivated and lacking in ability. keeping an air of professionalism about him. Trying to do the best for Aston Villa. But I recognise that many people seem to think that he is doing his best to unhinge us by picking all those players that we're doing brilliantly under a fleet of foot excelling Aston Villa, but given the circumstances I think he's doing okay to keep.
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I just shuddered as I saw a report saying Pearson has held talks and will likely keep Black as his Assistant..... Then I realised it was Moxley.
I don't see a massive problem with keeping Black on as assistant
he's ok until it comes to picking the team lineup, which he wont have to do if he's not the manager
he has been hopeless in that respect, but apart from that I think he's done alright
hasn't he ?
So if we ignore the teams that he picks, what would you class as his successes in the role so far?
Dumping players that have crossed a disciplinary line. Working with players that are unmotivated and lacking in ability. keeping an air of professionalism about him. Trying to do the best for Aston Villa.
Which of those points do you feel Remi Garde was failing at?
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Lambert looks like he will be available. Fits the criteria ;)
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36158451 - Blackburn Rovers: Paul Lambert to leave Championship club at the end of the season.
Return of TSMII? While Lerner is still around anything is possible
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What worries me is that, as soon as the season ends, there'll be a Premier League sacking and the whole merry-go-round of managers will kick off and I can see people like Pearson getting snapped up. Meanwhile, we'll still be hawking ourselves around to the highest bidder, unable to convince any manager to join us until we have an owner with a transfer budget. The longer that goes on, the closer to next season kicking off ( in the first weekend in August) and we're up shit creek again with no time to assess the squad, just like when Venglos joined us or when O'Neill left us.
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I just shuddered as I saw a report saying Pearson has held talks and will likely keep Black as his Assistant..... Then I realised it was Moxley.
I don't see a massive problem with keeping Black on as assistant
he's ok until it comes to picking the team lineup, which he wont have to do if he's not the manager
he has been hopeless in that respect, but apart from that I think he's done alright
hasn't he ?
So if we ignore the teams that he picks, what would you class as his successes in the role so far?
Dumping players that have crossed a disciplinary line. Working with players that are unmotivated and lacking in ability. keeping an air of professionalism about him. Trying to do the best for Aston Villa.
Which of those points do you feel Remi Garde was failing at?
After january just about every one of them.
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What worries me is that, as soon as the season ends, there'll be a Premier League sacking and the whole merry-go-round of managers will kick off and I can see people like Pearson getting snapped up. Meanwhile, we'll still be hawking ourselves around to the highest bidder, unable to convince any manager to join us until we have an owner with a transfer budget. The longer that goes on, the closer to next season kicking off ( in the first weekend in August) and we're up shit creek again with no time to assess the squad, just like when Venglos joined us or when O'Neill left us.
This is my worry too. We've had plenty of time to sort it out if it's an out of work manager. The only excuse would be if we're tapping up Dyche or someone else in a job.
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I think if we have Pearson lined-up he'll be our manager it doesn't matter what happens at the end of the season.
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I think if we have Pearson lined-up he'll be our manager it doesn't matter what happens at the end of the season.
So Pearson would be happy to join us without knowing who he'll be working for or how much he'll have to spend? I know he's barmy, but he's not totally thick
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Well depending in your point of view, this could be good news.
Nottingham Forest increasingly confident of beating Ipswich and Aston Villa to former Sunderland boss (http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/nottingham-forest-increasingly-confident-of-beating-ipswich-and-aston-villa-to-former-sunderland-boss/)
It's Gus Poyet they're talking about.
A nice analysis of O'Neill in the comments as a bonus.
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I think if we have Pearson lined-up he'll be our manager it doesn't matter what happens at the end of the season.
So Pearson would be happy to join us without knowing who he'll be working for or how much he'll have to spend? I know he's barmy, but he's not totally thick
We don't what has or hasn't been said, promised, or offered. But joining up the dots seems to draw a picture of Pearson.
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Well depending in your point of view, this could be good news.
Nottingham Forest increasingly confident of beating Ipswich and Aston Villa to former Sunderland boss (http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/nottingham-forest-increasingly-confident-of-beating-ipswich-and-aston-villa-to-former-sunderland-boss/)
It's Gus Poyet they're talking about.
A nice analysis of O'Neill in the comments as a bonus.
As Poyet is about 66/1 I think it's another non story linking him to us.
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Sounds like Lambert will be free. That went well for him didn't it?
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Well depending in your point of view, this could be good news.
Nottingham Forest increasingly confident of beating Ipswich and Aston Villa to former Sunderland boss (http://footballleagueworld.co.uk/nottingham-forest-increasingly-confident-of-beating-ipswich-and-aston-villa-to-former-sunderland-boss/)
It's Gus Poyet they're talking about.
A nice analysis of O'Neill in the comments as a bonus.
Thx for this, VID. I was wondering what website might fulfill my football-news needs next season.
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More uplifting comments from Eric 'Sunshine' Black I see. Good times.
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Can you imagine Lambert coming back with Black as number 2?
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Here's the link - http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10261183/aston-villa-called-toxic-by-interim-boss-eric-black
Villa is a 'toxic place' and he 'should never have taken the job.'
Cheers, Eric.
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Here's the link - http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10261183/aston-villa-called-toxic-by-interim-boss-eric-black
Villa is a 'toxic place' and he 'should never have taken the job.'
Cheers, Eric.
Don't like the way he says 'they are losing their incomes'. Is he an employee or not?!?
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Here's the link - http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10261183/aston-villa-called-toxic-by-interim-boss-eric-black
Villa is a 'toxic place' and he 'should never have taken the job.'
Cheers, Eric.
Well fuck off then!
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Here's the link - http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10261183/aston-villa-called-toxic-by-interim-boss-eric-black
Villa is a 'toxic place' and he 'should never have taken the job.'
Cheers, Eric.
Well fuck off then!
Who put the gun to his head to take the job ?
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Fuck off and walk if you hate it so much Eric. We all get that it's shit but fuck me do we need to hear it over and over again?
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Here's the link - http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10261183/aston-villa-called-toxic-by-interim-boss-eric-black
Villa is a 'toxic place' and he 'should never have taken the job.'
Cheers, Eric.
Well fuck off then!
Who put the gun to his head to take the job ?
Erik if you can not say anything of any merit shut the fuck up.
It like we should all feel sorry for him, well I for one do not, he is worse than useless.
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Negative environment on the training pitch as they may lose half their income. Imagine having to scrape by on 15-20 grand a week. Poor lambs. They haven't got a fucking clue about what it's like in the real world.
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They should lose 90% of their income this year as they have given about 10% effort..negative feeling..oh fuck off. Try being in the shoes of those bhs staff and the steelworkers...oh I forgot footballers live in a bubble....wankers
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Black's comments are becoming extremely tiresome.
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I don't see whats wrong with his comments at all. At least we know for absolutely sure why Remi failed, he didn't stand a chance. It sounds like player power at its very worst. We are the complete opposite to Leicester, not just in league position but team spirit, unity, harmony and work ethic. Between Lambert and Sherwood we have managed to create probably the biggest bunch of losers this club might ever witness.
At least whoever is coming in can come hopefully learn from Black who should go, whether they have any ability or not. If they are not good for the club, get rid. Black has not caused this problem and any anger should be directed towards the players and not him.
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Black doesn't want to be here, that's clear. I'd bet he longs for the time he's relieved of his duties, and who can blame him? For someone who's been in the game for over 20 years to talk about this place in such a negative manner speaks volumes. The players have created this, plain and simple. They're the cancer in the club and should be reminded of the fact at every game.
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Eric Cack, tiresome, we know the clubs fucked behind the scenes, no need to keep going on about it. Probably just deflecting a bit of attention away from his shite selections and results.
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does anyone want to come to be our next manager
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Eric Cack, tiresome, we know the clubs fucked behind the scenes, no need to keep going on about it. Probably just deflecting a bit of attention away from his shite selections and results.
So it's ok for the fans to hark on about the sorry state of things behind the scenes, but not him? Why not? The results have been shit for years now, the last 33 games especially. It's certainly not his doing is it? I hope he sounds out exactly who the culprits are to the next manager.
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Look how pissed off we are at watching these pricks for 90 minutes a week. Imagine what it would be like working with them every day and seeing their lack of desire affecting your ability to do your job.
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Eric Cack, tiresome, we know the clubs fucked behind the scenes, no need to keep going on about it. Probably just deflecting a bit of attention away from his shite selections and results.
So it's ok for the fans to hark on about the sorry state of things behind the scenes, but not him? Why not? The results have been shit for years now, the last 33 games especially. It's certainly not his doing is it? I hope he sounds out exactly who the culprits are to the next manager.
Because it's his job to attempt to start some kind of improvement in the atmosphere to start the long road back. That is what he is paid to do. Otherwise what exactly is the point of him?
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Eric Cack, tiresome, we know the clubs fucked behind the scenes, no need to keep going on about it. Probably just deflecting a bit of attention away from his shite selections and results.
So it's ok for the fans to hark on about the sorry state of things behind the scenes, but not him? Why not? The results have been shit for years now, the last 33 games especially. It's certainly not his doing is it? I hope he sounds out exactly who the culprits are to the next manager.
Because it's his job to attempt to start some kind of improvement in the atmosphere to start the long road back. That is what he is paid to do. Otherwise what exactly is the point of him?
I don't think it's his job to sort that sorry shit out. Christ, If he could he'd deserve a bloody statue at the club. The only way to sort this out is a cull and new blood. How can he possibly do this? Like he says, like we all know it's a toxic environment and he doesn't (like Remi before him) stand a chance.
Someone had to fill a gap for a short term, that's all. If Little would have stepped in with the same results would you be calling him useless?
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And that's what he is trying to do. Problem is fans think playing players other than the ones that we've played all season will suddenly improve things. They won't.
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I do not think fresh approaches will win games and I have not read many posts from people who do. What is wanted is a break from the past and Black seems unable to accept that.
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I don't see whats wrong with his comments at all. At least we know for absolutely sure why Remi failed, he didn't stand a chance. It sounds like player power at its very worst. We are the complete opposite to Leicester, not just in league position but team spirit, unity, harmony and work ethic. Between Lambert and Sherwood we have managed to create probably the biggest bunch of losers this club might ever witness.
At least whoever is coming in can come hopefully learn from Black who should go, whether they have any ability or not. If they are not good for the club, get rid. Black has not caused this problem and any anger should be directed towards the players and not him.
Aye. In living memory i can't think of a manager (and lets face it, he's not really our manager, just doing a job for a month) get so much abuse from people on here when he'd had virtually nothing to do with the mess we're in. His crime? Not playing the youth team, or various duffers who rise in reputation seems to be directly connected to the length of time since they were last shite in the 1st team. Oh and being vaguely blose connected... I just hope any manager considering checking into the Villa madhouse, doesn't read this thread because if that's the way the fanbase is going, i think they will decide its not worth the aggro.
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The bloke is a grade, 24 carat, copper-bottomed twat.
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Eric Cack, tiresome, we know the clubs fucked behind the scenes, no need to keep going on about it. Probably just deflecting a bit of attention away from his shite selections and results.
So it's ok for the fans to hark on about the sorry state of things behind the scenes, but not him? Why not? The results have been shit for years now, the last 33 games especially. It's certainly not his doing is it? I hope he sounds out exactly who the culprits are to the next manager.
Because it's his job to attempt to start some kind of improvement in the atmosphere to start the long road back. That is what he is paid to do. Otherwise what exactly is the point of him?
I don't think it's his job to sort that sorry shit out. Christ, If he could he'd deserve a bloody statue at the club. The only way to sort this out is a cull and new blood. How can he possibly do this? Like he says, like we all know it's a toxic environment and he doesn't (like Remi before him) stand a chance.
Someone had to fill a gap for a short term, that's all. If Little would have stepped in with the same results would you be calling him useless?
So basically he's pointless and we might as well put a traffic cone in the dugout and carry on. Thought so.
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I don't really know what people expect from Black.
Coax improved performances out of a bunch of couldn't-give-a-fuck mercenaries in the closing games of a season in which - as things stand - we have so far, after 35 games, have amassed a total of *16* points?
What's the point in him playing the kids? Why? What would it do other than tarnish them by associating them with the second most embarassingly shit side the premier league has ever seen?
Personally, I couldn't give a fuck what he says. He thinks it's toxic? He's fucking right. The entire club is toxic.
He comes out and says it? Again, who gives a fuck? Maybe it'll contribute to the general public opinion of the club and put yet more pressure on the half-witted gigantic man-baby who owns us to do something to change it?
We can't un-relegate ourselves.
I personally hope that the same team of useless, self-centred twats who got us into this position play out every single remaining minute of this season, and that it is as gut wrenchingly embarrassing for them as it should be.
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Eric Cack, tiresome, we know the clubs fucked behind the scenes, no need to keep going on about it. Probably just deflecting a bit of attention away from his shite selections and results.
So it's ok for the fans to hark on about the sorry state of things behind the scenes, but not him? Why not? The results have been shit for years now, the last 33 games especially. It's certainly not his doing is it? I hope he sounds out exactly who the culprits are to the next manager.
Because it's his job to attempt to start some kind of improvement in the atmosphere to start the long road back. That is what he is paid to do. Otherwise what exactly is the point of him?
I don't think it's his job to sort that sorry shit out. Christ, If he could he'd deserve a bloody statue at the club. The only way to sort this out is a cull and new blood. How can he possibly do this? Like he says, like we all know it's a toxic environment and he doesn't (like Remi before him) stand a chance.
Someone had to fill a gap for a short term, that's all. If Little would have stepped in with the same results would you be calling him useless?
So basically he's pointless and we might as well put a traffic cone in the dugout and carry on. Thought so.
Not really. A traffic cone can't actually communicate fuck all can it?
I'm glad he's sounding out, these players are a disgrace to the club and everyone should know it.
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I have changed. Lets put the terrible performances aside Eric "Black cloud" is now just speaking negatively about us every single god damn interview. I wish he would give it a rest and just say he thinks we are going to win, even if he doesn't believe it.
He has become a depressing figure. He is more low energy and more depressed than Garde in his final weeks but without the justification. He needs to go or cheer up, or (the horror) get us a fucking point or two.
If he cant change I want him out, I am sick of his negativity already.
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Sympathise Paulie but I would just like to take my seat at a Villa game and be entertained a little. Not subjected to mass emotional self flagellation. I want to see something, anything, different regardless of the final score.
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Evening. You're ALL right. We've had some downright BAD managers in our time - McNeill to name but one, and so several cretins further down the line of McLeish, Lambert, Sherwood...and now we have a guy who is fortunate enough to have fallen covered in sticky goo into a money pit....it's NOT his fault. He has poor players - well, actually RICH players - who don't put in the effort and he doesn't have the average players who would throw themselves at everything going, like Baker. He's outa here very soon and it is to be hoped that the next manager has the opportunity to clear the dead wood.
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He's not been a total disaster because the damage has already been done, but some of his negative team selections and substitutions haven't warmed him to me that much.
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Black has nothing to lose. He's not going to be here. And if he's not going to minimize the mood at the club in public, then don't make it worse by picking some of the players that have contributed to it. He no longer has to pick Bacuna or Richards for example but he still is. He is not making the situation which is already toxic any better by doing what he is doing or saying what he is saying.
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Let's all put our hands up and give up, it's all so difficult.
No it's not. Identify the problems and start to do something about it. It won't all be put right in a day, it will take time but at least make a bloody start. Stop making excuses as to why we cannot do something and start to make some positive steps forward. Desperate situations call for bold actions.
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Here's the link - http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10261183/aston-villa-called-toxic-by-interim-boss-eric-black
Villa is a 'toxic place' and he 'should never have taken the job.'
Cheers, Eric.
Don't like the way he says 'they are losing their incomes'. Is he an employee or not?!?
Boo fucking hoo.
The lowest paid of that senior squad is probably still going to be scraping by on £10K per week if they get the full 50% pay cut.
And it's ironic he talks about the loss of prestige in calling yourself a PL footballer, when for some of those for whom it will have the biggest impact, having played PL for the majority of their careers, are the ones who showed the least fucks about working to preserve that status.
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Eric Cack, tiresome, we know the clubs fucked behind the scenes, no need to keep going on about it. Probably just deflecting a bit of attention away from his shite selections and results.
So it's ok for the fans to hark on about the sorry state of things behind the scenes, but not him? Why not? The results have been shit for years now, the last 33 games especially. It's certainly not his doing is it? I hope he sounds out exactly who the culprits are to the next manager.
Because it's his job to attempt to start some kind of improvement in the atmosphere to start the long road back. That is what he is paid to do. Otherwise what exactly is the point of him?
I don't think it's his job to sort that sorry shit out. Christ, If he could he'd deserve a bloody statue at the club. The only way to sort this out is a cull and new blood. How can he possibly do this? Like he says, like we all know it's a toxic environment and he doesn't (like Remi before him) stand a chance.
Someone had to fill a gap for a short term, that's all. If Little would have stepped in with the same results would you be calling him useless?
So basically he's pointless and we might as well put a traffic cone in the dugout and carry on. Thought so.
Not really. A traffic cone can't actually communicate fuck all can it?
I'm glad he's sounding out, these players are a disgrace to the club and everyone should know it.
Communicate what? That we are shit? We already know that. A traffic cone with a cd player on repeat inside then.
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He has to go too. He's crap and he's another member of the Villa team who reeks of defeat and apathy. It doesn't matter who we get as manager. Eric Black will be as much use as a dick made of jelly. He has to go. Clean sweep and start again. His dreary apathetic interviews have been as shambolic as his team selections. You cannot keep a job after such ineptitude and frankly I think his interviews lack professionalism. We all know how shit the situation and how piss poor our players are behaving. We don't need the management moaning about it in the press too.
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Eric Cack, tiresome, we know the clubs fucked behind the scenes, no need to keep going on about it. Probably just deflecting a bit of attention away from his shite selections and results.
So it's ok for the fans to hark on about the sorry state of things behind the scenes, but not him? Why not? The results have been shit for years now, the last 33 games especially. It's certainly not his doing is it? I hope he sounds out exactly who the culprits are to the next manager.
Because it's his job to attempt to start some kind of improvement in the atmosphere to start the long road back. That is what he is paid to do. Otherwise what exactly is the point of him?
I don't think it's his job to sort that sorry shit out. Christ, If he could he'd deserve a bloody statue at the club. The only way to sort this out is a cull and new blood. How can he possibly do this? Like he says, like we all know it's a toxic environment and he doesn't (like Remi before him) stand a chance.
Someone had to fill a gap for a short term, that's all. If Little would have stepped in with the same results would you be calling him useless?
So basically he's pointless and we might as well put a traffic cone in the dugout and carry on. Thought so.
Not really. A traffic cone can't actually communicate fuck all can it?
I'm glad he's sounding out, these players are a disgrace to the club and everyone should know it.
Communicate what? That we are shit? We already know that. A traffic cone with a cd player on repeat inside then.
There are vary degrees of shitness and all manner of reasons for that.
The general message coming out seems to be that we are irredeemably shit, which everyone knows, and that the primary cause has been ineptitude festering at pretty much every layer of the club from backroom staff at Bodymoor up to Lerner.
It's that that's seen us get ever decreasing returns out of half decent players and ultimately end up we are.
It also means that the right changes behind the scenes to correct that rancid organisation might not require huge funds to get competitive again, if the existing players can be brought back to something approaching their potential.
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I don't really know what people expect from Black.
Coax improved performances out of a bunch of couldn't-give-a-fuck mercenaries in the closing games of a season in which - as things stand - we have so far, after 35 games, have amassed a total of *16* points?
What's the point in him playing the kids? Why? What would it do other than tarnish them by associating them with the second most embarassingly shit side the premier league has ever seen?
Personally, I couldn't give a fuck what he says. He thinks it's toxic? He's fucking right. The entire club is toxic.
He comes out and says it? Again, who gives a fuck? Maybe it'll contribute to the general public opinion of the club and put yet more pressure on the half-witted gigantic man-baby who owns us to do something to change it?
We can't un-relegate ourselves.
I personally hope that the same team of useless, self-centred twats who got us into this position play out every single remaining minute of this season, and that it is as gut wrenchingly embarrassing for them as it should be.
Look at you, sticking up for your new best mate.
*only joking, I heartily agree.
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I personally hope that the same team of useless, self-centred twats who got us into this position play out every single remaining minute of this season, and that it is as gut wrenchingly embarrassing for them as it should be.
I heartily concur. The only pleasure left to me this season is getting drunk and giving the hapless wasters a dog's abuse.
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the negativity around the club is so engrained it's going to take something special to get rid of it.
The problem is this period of intense negativity is dragging on,and on and on........
At some point someone has to put a stake in the ground and say enough is enough, the new start starts now.
That has to be with the new manager.
Until that happens we are going to continue to drift.
The club a has got to sort this out, one way or another.
That new season is is not that far away.
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I don't really know what people expect from Black.
Coax improved performances out of a bunch of couldn't-give-a-fuck mercenaries in the closing games of a season in which - as things stand - we have so far, after 35 games, have amassed a total of *16* points?
What's the point in him playing the kids? Why? What would it do other than tarnish them by associating them with the second most embarassingly shit side the premier league has ever seen?
Personally, I couldn't give a fuck what he says. He thinks it's toxic? He's fucking right. The entire club is toxic.
He comes out and says it? Again, who gives a fuck? Maybe it'll contribute to the general public opinion of the club and put yet more pressure on the half-witted gigantic man-baby who owns us to do something to change it?
We can't un-relegate ourselves.
I personally hope that the same team of useless, self-centred twats who got us into this position play out every single remaining minute of this season, and that it is as gut wrenchingly embarrassing for them as it should be.
Look at you, sticking up for your new best mate.
*only joking, I heartily agree.
He's got nice dogs.
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Putting Adama Traore in the starting line up lifts the mood at VP instantly.
One mazy run from Adama Traore also lifts the mood at VP instantly.
I don't think people are that bothered now if he looses possession or let's the ball run under his foot I just want something, anything positive to look at.
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I don't really know what people expect from Black.
Coax improved performances out of a bunch of couldn't-give-a-fuck mercenaries in the closing games of a season in which - as things stand - we have so far, after 35 games, have amassed a total of *16* points?
What's the point in him playing the kids? Why? What would it do other than tarnish them by associating them with the second most embarassingly shit side the premier league has ever seen?
Personally, I couldn't give a fuck what he says. He thinks it's toxic? He's fucking right. The entire club is toxic.
He comes out and says it? Again, who gives a fuck? Maybe it'll contribute to the general public opinion of the club and put yet more pressure on the half-witted gigantic man-baby who owns us to do something to change it?
We can't un-relegate ourselves.
I personally hope that the same team of useless, self-centred twats who got us into this position play out every single remaining minute of this season, and that it is as gut wrenchingly embarrassing for them as it should be.
Look at you, sticking up for your new best mate.
*only joking, I heartily agree.
He's got nice dogs.
You would then think he'd recognise a dog turd, and instead of selecting Bacuna in the first team, he'd scoop him up with one those gloves and drop him in a specially designated bin like the one on the green opposite me.
NB. Note to Castle Bromwich dog owners, these do actually exist and you are free to use them.
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I don't really know what people expect from Black.
Coax improved performances out of a bunch of couldn't-give-a-fuck mercenaries in the closing games of a season in which - as things stand - we have so far, after 35 games, have amassed a total of *16* points?
What's the point in him playing the kids? Why? What would it do other than tarnish them by associating them with the second most embarassingly shit side the premier league has ever seen?
Personally, I couldn't give a fuck what he says. He thinks it's toxic? He's fucking right. The entire club is toxic.
He comes out and says it? Again, who gives a fuck? Maybe it'll contribute to the general public opinion of the club and put yet more pressure on the half-witted gigantic man-baby who owns us to do something to change it?
We can't un-relegate ourselves.
I personally hope that the same team of useless, self-centred twats who got us into this position play out every single remaining minute of this season, and that it is as gut wrenchingly embarrassing for them as it should be.
Look at you, sticking up for your new best mate.
*only joking, I heartily agree.
He's got nice dogs.
You would then think he'd recognise a dog turd, and instead of selecting Bacuna in the first team, he'd scoop him up with one those gloves and drop him in a specially designated bin like the one on the green opposite me.
NB. Note to Castle Bromwich dog owners, these do actually exist and you are free to use them.
Christ. Don't get me started on irresponsible dog owners.
Wankers.
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Sometimes I think "I'd love a dog, we should get a dog"
Then shortly after, I'll see dog owners walking their dogs, swinging a bag of steaming dog shit as they go, and I think again.
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Keeps your hands nice and warm in the winter
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I don't really know what people expect from Black.
Coax improved performances out of a bunch of couldn't-give-a-fuck mercenaries in the closing games of a season in which - as things stand - we have so far, after 35 games, have amassed a total of *16* points?
What's the point in him playing the kids? Why? What would it do other than tarnish them by associating them with the second most embarassingly shit side the premier league has ever seen?
Personally, I couldn't give a fuck what he says. He thinks it's toxic? He's fucking right. The entire club is toxic.
He comes out and says it? Again, who gives a fuck? Maybe it'll contribute to the general public opinion of the club and put yet more pressure on the half-witted gigantic man-baby who owns us to do something to change it?
We can't un-relegate ourselves.
I personally hope that the same team of useless, self-centred twats who got us into this position play out every single remaining minute of this season, and that it is as gut wrenchingly embarrassing for them as it should be.
Look at you, sticking up for your new best mate.
*only joking, I heartily agree.
He's got nice dogs.
You would then think he'd recognise a dog turd, and instead of selecting Bacuna in the first team, he'd scoop him up with one those gloves and drop him in a specially designated bin like the one on the green opposite me.
NB. Note to Castle Bromwich dog owners, these do actually exist and you are free to use them.
Christ. Don't get me started on irresponsible dog owners.
Wankers.
*fistbump*
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Sometimes I think "I'd love a dog, we should get a dog"
Then shortly after, I'll see dog owners walking their dogs, swinging a bag of steaming dog shit as they go, and I think again.
Just become a steaming Blues swinger.
You're unlikely to get mugged with shit as a weapon though.
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I don't really know what people expect from Black.
Coax improved performances out of a bunch of couldn't-give-a-fuck mercenaries in the closing games of a season in which - as things stand - we have so far, after 35 games, have amassed a total of *16* points?
What's the point in him playing the kids? Why? What would it do other than tarnish them by associating them with the second most embarassingly shit side the premier league has ever seen?
Personally, I couldn't give a fuck what he says. He thinks it's toxic? He's fucking right. The entire club is toxic.
He comes out and says it? Again, who gives a fuck? Maybe it'll contribute to the general public opinion of the club and put yet more pressure on the half-witted gigantic man-baby who owns us to do something to change it?
We can't un-relegate ourselves.
I personally hope that the same team of useless, self-centred twats who got us into this position play out every single remaining minute of this season, and that it is as gut wrenchingly embarrassing for them as it should be.
Look at you, sticking up for your new best mate.
*only joking, I heartily agree.
He's got nice dogs.
You would then think he'd recognise a dog turd, and instead of selecting Bacuna in the first team, he'd scoop him up with one those gloves and drop him in a specially designated bin like the one on the green opposite me.
NB. Note to Castle Bromwich dog owners, these do actually exist and you are free to use them.
my dog likes to take a shit by the coach and horses
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Sometimes I think "I'd love a dog, we should get a dog"
Then shortly after, I'll see dog owners walking their dogs, swinging a bag of steaming dog shit as they go, and I think again.
That sounds like a Morrissey lyric from the Smiths era !
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Eric Cack, tiresome, we know the clubs fucked behind the scenes, no need to keep going on about it. Probably just deflecting a bit of attention away from his shite selections and results.
So it's ok for the fans to hark on about the sorry state of things behind the scenes, but not him? Why not? The results have been shit for years now, the last 33 games especially. It's certainly not his doing is it? I hope he sounds out exactly who the culprits are to the next manager.
Because it's his job to attempt to start some kind of improvement in the atmosphere to start the long road back. That is what he is paid to do. Otherwise what exactly is the point of him?
I don't think it's his job to sort that sorry shit out. Christ, If he could he'd deserve a bloody statue at the club. The only way to sort this out is a cull and new blood. How can he possibly do this? Like he says, like we all know it's a toxic environment and he doesn't (like Remi before him) stand a chance.
Someone had to fill a gap for a short term, that's all. If Little would have stepped in with the same results would you be calling him useless?
So basically he's pointless and we might as well put a traffic cone in the dugout and carry on. Thought so.
Not really. A traffic cone can't actually communicate fuck all can it?
I'm glad he's sounding out, these players are a disgrace to the club and everyone should know it.
Communicate what? That we are shit? We already know that. A traffic cone with a cd player on repeat inside then.
I agree that his selections are very conservative and not very inspiring, I'll give you that. However the blokes not a manager, he's a coach who has been asked to fill a void. Who else within the club could step in? KMac again? I would hope not. I'd hate to tarnish Little's name with that lot. Appointing a temporary manager from outside would have another waste of money. We are down anyway.
I still say though he has not created this monster and moaning about is no different to everyone else. We all know there is something very wrong within. It's not just we're crap, there's far more too it. When Sherwood left pundits and public opinion was we had a team full of French men who were terrible signings. We all knew it was not that and there was trouble within the ranks.
Black at least is telling the press the trouble is deep rooted, ok, he's said his point a few times now, maybe he needs to get on with it. I'd still aim my anger else where though.
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I have a rising suspicion that the new ownership is close....close enough that it is stopping us appointing a new manager. Sifting through the speculation and bits of info I have been given I would summise that Hollis's current remit is to compile a report of potential candidates to put in front of the new owners. If we havent been sold by a certain date he will then go after the current board's preferred choice and get them in.
I think they are currently speaking to a shortlist of candidates and sounding them out based on the potential scenarios. I have it on genuinely good authority they have spoken to Grayson who has said he would accept the job but no talks have taken place with his current club regarding compo. It is widely reported that Pearson has been spoken to a couple of times, I think this is the most likely option if we are not sold, I just dont think Randy has any interest in paying other clubs for their managers. I think Moyes has been sounded out and will be the most likely choice if we are sold imminently - I dont think he will take it in the current state we are in.
Then there are some more leftfield choices who may become available in the first couple of weeks of the close season - people like Martinez, Karanka, Pulis and my current favourite, Sanchez Flores who looks like he will be leaving Watford in the next couple of weeks. I imagine any of these may be spoken to before a final decision is made. Safe to say though, its going to be the most interesting close season since Randy Lerner bought us......
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Sometimes I think "I'd love a dog, we should get a dog"
Then shortly after, I'll see dog owners walking their dogs, swinging a bag of steaming dog shit as they go, and I think again.
That sounds like a Morrissey lyric from the Smiths era !
The important thing to remember is to lick your fingers BEFORE picking up the shit.
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I have a rising suspicion that the new ownership is close....close enough that it is stopping us appointing a new manager. Sifting through the speculation and bits of info I have been given I would summise that Hollis's current remit is to compile a report of potential candidates to put in front of the new owners. If we havent been sold by a certain date he will then go after the current board's preferred choice and get them in.
I think they are currently speaking to a shortlist of candidates and sounding them out based on the potential scenarios. I have it on genuinely good authority they have spoken to Grayson who has said he would accept the job but no talks have taken place with his current club regarding compo. It is widely reported that Pearson has been spoken to a couple of times, I think this is the most likely option if we are not sold, I just dont think Randy has any interest in paying other clubs for their managers. I think Moyes has been sounded out and will be the most likely choice if we are sold imminently - I dont think he will take it in the current state we are in.
Then there are some more leftfield choices who may become available in the first couple of weeks of the close season - people like Martinez, Karanka, Pulis and my current favourite, Sanchez Flores who looks like he will be leaving Watford in the next couple of weeks. I imagine any of these may be spoken to before a final decision is made. Safe to say though, its going to be the most interesting close season since Randy Lerner bought us......
Although I have no supporting evidence I feel this is a very likely scenario as well, although my preferred options would be Houghton or Dyche
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One thing you can be sure of mattjpa is that we shall only ever hear anything until it is impossible to keep it from us. The single biggest problem facing the club, the alienation of the fanbase will only, if ever, get addressed when every other i has been dotted and every other t has been crossed.
The mess we are in, created by the owner, the board, the managers, the coaches and the players, is so deep that if Aston Villa is ever to regain the respect of the wider family of football there must be a complete and total rebuilding of the club. A new owner, a new manager and new players will change nothing without a change of ethos.
We, as a club may be seen in the same position as Gabby Agbonlahor. Was very good once a long time ago but through neglect and wilful stupidity have become a travesty of what we once were. In the same way that Gabby cannot correct his failings by sweating off a few pounds and apologising, we cannot become a respected football club again by swapping owners and swapping managers. That would only be a start. We must define ourselves again. In the same way Gabby needs to change his life and his ways meaningfully so does the club.
I agree that this summer is probably one of the most important in our history, I am far from convinced that the decision makers can or will look beyond rows of numbers.
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Regardless of the reason why the new manager is not in place yet, I think it's best to get this mess of a season out of the way first anyway. He'd possibly turn round and walk straight out back out the door if he sat in the dug-out or stands for the last three games with the dressing room and crowd like it is. The sooner that final whistle blows against Newcastle, the better.
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Unless the rumours of Pearson being lined up for the end of the season are true, then I think we could be a long way off apointing a new manager. Which just means trouble.
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Just can't see us appointing a manager until this takeover is done and dusted...which frustrating as it is, I can't argue with. The fact that we haven't yet apppointed one would seem to indicate that new owners are very much on the cards...
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Just can't see us appointing a manager until this takeover is done and dusted...which frustrating as it is, I can't argue with. The fact that we haven't yet apppointed one would seem to indicate that new owners are very much on the cards...
Which is something at least, but it would drag our building for the Championship. Don't forget also that MON was appointed on the knowledge that Doug was leaving. That right there proves that it is possible to appoint a manager while a take over is in the process.
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Just can't see us appointing a manager until this takeover is done and dusted...which frustrating as it is, I can't argue with. The fact that we haven't yet apppointed one would seem to indicate that new owners are very much on the cards...
I spoke to an Aston Villa employee yesterday (about a possible joint venture) - it was apparent she is one of the 500 waiting for her P45 - but the impression I got was that it is possible some sackings might not happen depending on the takeover.
The problem is the same with all business done during the Lerner tenure is it always takes weeks more than other clubs and you never know what is going on and why there are so many hold ups. Personally I think he just keeps changing his mind and moving the goalposts.
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Sometimes I think "I'd love a dog, we should get a dog"
Then shortly after, I'll see dog owners walking their dogs, swinging a bag of steaming dog shit as they go, and I think again.
That sounds like a Morrissey lyric from the Smiths era !
And heaven knows i'm misrable now
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Telegraph reckon we're delaying announcing Pearson as our new manager till the club is taken over.
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Torygraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/04/30/aston-villa-delay-nigel-pearson-announcement-until-takeover-bid/)
Aston Villa delay Nigel Pearson announcement until takeover bid completed
John Percy
30 April 2016 • 10:30pm
Aston Villa want Nigel Pearson as their new manager but are delaying an announcement to focus on a proposed takeover.
Pearson has emerged as the No. 1 choice for Villa and talks are at an advanced stage with chairman Steve Hollis, who met the former Leicester manager last week.
Villa believe Pearson is the man to rebuild the club as they prepare for the Championship, with Hollis leading the search for their third permanent manager in 12 months.
But Villa are also in negotiations over a sale and Pearson is effectively in limbo while three parties bid to buy the club from Randy Lerner.
Hollis is considering bids from the UK, America and China and told supporters at a recent forum that talks are at a delicate stage.
He also revealed that a new manager would not be installed until a takeover was sorted, though it is believed a cut-off point has been agreed for later this month if no sale is agreed.
Pearson would need his appointment rubber-stamped by any new owners, yet it appears increasingly likely that will be make his return to management at Villa Park
The 52-year-old has been out of work since his surprise departure from Leicester in June.
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A cut-off point of this [next] month? Can anyone explain the rationale of that?
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Doe John Percy ever get anything right?
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Doe John Percy ever get anything right?
Depends if he can piss and get it in the toilet.
Other than that his date of birth?
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A cut-off point of this [next] month? Can anyone explain the rationale of that?
Just the fact that if the takeover process goes on for too long, we can't afford to not install a manager and give them enough time to sort the squad out. Hopefully it can motivate potential buyers to get the deal done sooner too.
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So they've told Pearson that he's the man they want. But also told him that he might not be the man that the new owner might want. So we've got your number, don't turn your phone off, and if people who'll invest money can't make up their minds by the end of May we're gonna tell them all to do one, and we'll be in touch to let you know that the thankless task is all yours.
Bet the bloke can't wait.
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So they've told Pearson that he's the man they want. But also told him that he might not be the man that the new owner might want. So we've got your number, don't turn your phone off, and if people who'll invest money can't make up their minds by the end of May we're gonna tell them all to do one, and we'll be in touch to let you know that the thankless task is all yours.
Bet the bloke can't wait.
or maybe the story is completely made up
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Matt Kendrick in the Birmingham Mail:
According to our sister title, the Sunday People, Pearson was spotted with Hollis in a Warwickshire pub.
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Will we be having any more board members with a grasp of football and be replacing any of the numerous failed appointments behind the scenes or piss take scouts any time soon? No rush Villa, just do it in your own time, we've only been shit for 5 years, what would another year matter?
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Will we be having any more board members with a grasp of football and be replacing any of the numerous failed appointments behind the scenes or piss take scouts any time soon? No rush Villa, just do it in your own time, we've only been shit for 5 years, what would another year matter?
Who is on the board will surely depend on who owns the club. No point in appointing new board members if a takeover is on the cards.
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Will we be having any more board members with a grasp of football and be replacing any of the numerous failed appointments behind the scenes or piss take scouts any time soon? No rush Villa, just do it in your own time, we've only been shit for 5 years, what would another year matter?
Who is on the board will surely depend on who owns the club. No point in appointing new board members if a takeover is on the cards.
The takeover is bullshit, unless for some reason since we sacked all the clowns behind the scenes and appointed an entire board out of the blue Lerner found a bunch of interested buyers. It doesn't add up to me.
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I don't think it is completely made up. I think Pearson and his wife may well have been seen with Hollis and his wife at a pub in Warwickshire. I think there may well be an agreement in principle in place, but it, along with the rest of the story is complete speculation.
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I hope we are in for Pearson.
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I don't think it is completely made up. I think Pearson and his wife may well have been seen with Hollis and his wife at a pub in Warwickshire. I think there may well be an agreement in principle in place, but it, along with the rest of the story is complete speculation.
Strange his wife was there as Pearson likes to live away from where he works so I'd guessed, should he get the job, he'd still prefer to live in Sheffield. Maybe Hollis wants his man locally based.
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Roll on 4-4-2 with two wingers
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If you were looking to buy Aston Villa would you want Hollis who admits he knows nothing about football having talks with a potential manager?
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If you were looking to buy Aston Villa would you want Hollis who admits he knows nothing about football having talks with a potential manager?
Although Hollis knows more about football than most of our squad.
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I believe the rumours about Pearson are true but I don't believe he has been offered the job but we have to wait to see what the potential new owners think. That would be wasting the time of everyone involved. Can't see it myself.
I reckon he will be offered it this week and if he excepts it will up to him to prove his ability to any new potential owners that he is the man for the job over the next 12 months or so.
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When Percy, publishing an article at 10.30 PM on 30 April says "though it is believed a cut-off point has been agreed for later this month if no sale is agreed." does he not check or anyone else (I think they used to be called Editors) that it's a bollocks statement? Or may be the cut off was midnight last night!
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If you were looking to buy Aston Villa would you want Hollis who admits he knows nothing about football having talks with a potential manager?
Yes, he needs to be able to work with him closely. The 'football board' would have recommended him , Hollis needs to form his own view as well.
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Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Hollis would meet Pearson somewhere so public as a Warwickshire pub?
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Got to meet somewhere.
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We have pub in the High Street in Southwold which is very popular for face to face informal meetings with potential managers. Big, spacious, high class at the heart of a football wilderness. I am the only person in town who follows the game and my eyesight is notoriously bad. Two of the meetings I have clocked there have involved scouse manager appointments. If Moyes or Martinez rock up in Adnams territory, I will let you know.
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Get Pearson in ASAP! Let him start the rebuilding job straightaway.
If new owners come in & don't want him then so be it but I honestly don't think we're anywhere near a takeover!
Too much fcuking about by Villa as usual!
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We have pub in the High Street in Southwold which is very popular for face to face informal meetings with potential managers. Big, spacious, high class at the heart of a football wilderness. I am the only person in town who follows the game and my eyesight is notoriously bad. Two of the meetings I have clocked there have involved scouse manager appointments. If Moyes or Martinez rock up in Adnams territory, I will let you know.
The crown? Stayed there a few times. I didn't see any managers.
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I was quite young in 1987 when Sir Graham took over. At what point of the summer was he appointed?
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When Percy, publishing an article at 10.30 PM on 30 April says "though it is believed a cut-off point has been agreed for later this month if no sale is agreed." does he not check or anyone else (I think they used to be called Editors) that it's a bollocks statement? Or may be the cut off was midnight last night!
Article was for today's paper but it always gets released a few hours earlier online.
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Get Pearson in ASAP! Let him start the rebuilding job straightaway.
If new owners come in & don't want him then so be it but I honestly don't think we're anywhere near a takeover!
Too much fcuking about by Villa as usual!
What would be the point in bringing in a manager that any possible new owners may not want?
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Yes Mal, the very same. Seems on the radar of clubs in the north west. Call in next time you are in town.
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Get Pearson in ASAP! Let him start the rebuilding job straightaway.
If new owners come in & don't want him then so be it but I honestly don't think we're anywhere near a takeover!
Too much fcuking about by Villa as usual!
What would be the point in bringing in a manager that any possible new owners may not want?
And if we dont get new owners any time soon...........
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Get Pearson in ASAP! Let him start the rebuilding job straightaway.
If new owners come in & don't want him then so be it but I honestly don't think we're anywhere near a takeover!
Too much fcuking about by Villa as usual!
What would be the point in bringing in a manager that any possible new owners may not want?
And if we dont get new owners any time soon...........
Then at some point we will have to appoint new board members and a manager. There will be a cut off point. Besides, any new manager coming in will want to know what and who he's working with.
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Regardless of where we are with the takeover we need to get a manager in as soon as the season ends. We've got 3 months to turn this shitstorm round or we risk going the way of Wigan straight through to League 1. Hollis should be able to say to potential buyers that he's getting e.g Moyes or Pearson in and as long as that doesn't jeopardise the sale we should appoint someone. We can't afford to drift any more, and I never thought I'd hear me say it but if Pearson can get some discipline back into the squad and stop the rot I'd take him rather than just bumbling along waiting for a sale to complete
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Get Pearson in ASAP! Let him start the rebuilding job straightaway.
If new owners come in & don't want him then so be it but I honestly don't think we're anywhere near a takeover!
Too much fcuking about by Villa as usual!
What would be the point in bringing in a manager that any possible new owners may not want?
I can't imagine any new owner would sack a manager even before a ball is kicked. The problem is, would any half decent manager come to us when we are in such a mess?
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Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Hollis would meet Pearson somewhere so public as a Warwickshire pub?
I imagine he went in the Orange Tree. There's a lot of Noses around Dorridge and Lapworth so with there being no football fans there, it probably seemed good to stay local.
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Yes Mal, the very same. Seems on the radar of clubs in the north west. Call in next time you are in town.
Will do Brian, I'd enjoy that
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Yes Mal, the very same. Seems on the radar of clubs in the north west. Call in next time you are in town.
Will do Brian, I'd enjoy that
I've always sitting outside the Red Lion in Southwold.
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When Percy, publishing an article at 10.30 PM on 30 April says "though it is believed a cut-off point has been agreed for later this month if no sale is agreed." does he not check or anyone else (I think they used to be called Editors) that it's a bollocks statement? Or may be the cut off was midnight last night!
Article was for today's paper but it always gets released a few hours earlier online.
Yes I thought about that but it's exactly the same on Telegraph online today. Anyway not that brave or ITK saying "later this month" on 1 May.
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Paul and Mal you would both be more than welcome. Mal turn left out of the Crown and walk about a hundred yards until you see a house name that could only be owned by a Villa fan. Paul you turn right at the Red Lion and immediately right again. If nobody home look for the Claret and Blue painted beach hut.
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Pearson very close to signing, allegedly :-X
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Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Hollis would meet Pearson somewhere so public as a Warwickshire pub?
It might be true if they do nice food in the pub
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Pearson very close to signing, allegedly :-X
how do you know , did you see them in the pub ?
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I was quite young in 1987 when Sir Graham took over. At what point of the summer was he appointed?
From memory as soon as the season had finished
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I was quite young in 1987 when Sir Graham took over. At what point of the summer was he appointed?
From memory as soon as the season had finished
The season ended on 9th May and he was appointed on the 18th.
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I thought it was in June 1987.
Things were massively shit, he came in was instantly a breath of fresh air. We didn't storm the division but gradually got ourselves sorted, for not a huge investment challenged for promotion. It tells you that even from the depths of despair the situation can be rectified. It won't happen immediately but it is a very long season and we need to improve over that time so that we are well placed for promotion.
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Pearson very close to signing, allegedly :-X
how do you know , did you see them in the pub ?
No, but I saw them in the night club later on.
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well at least his got form, so if pearson then we'll battle, and he will certainly rattle a few feathers down B6
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Pearson very close to signing, allegedly :-X
how do you know , did you see them in the pub ?
No, but I saw them in the night club later on.
was they having a dance
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Hollis pulled Pearson.
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Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Hollis would meet Pearson somewhere so public as a Warwickshire pub?
For what it's worth my Dad met David Moyes at a pub in Lichfield about five years ago. My dad begged Moyes to sign for Villa. Moyes told my dad they were selling Beckford to Leicester. So it does happen.
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Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Hollis would meet Pearson somewhere so public as a Warwickshire pub?
It might be true if they do nice food in the pub
Might have been a 2 for 1 deal with Hollis being a bean counter and all that?
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I met Jimmy rimmer in a cafe in Swansea once so stranger things have happened. Admittedly he had packed in playing 10 years previously. If I met him now I would beg him to come back and go in goal for us.
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i met mark delaney and stefan postma in a cafe in Wolverhampton city centre 2 hours before kick off when we played wolves in a friendly at molinuex , they was in the squad but wasnt playing that day
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i met mark delaney and stefan postma in a cafe in Wolverhampton city centre 2 hours before kick off when we played wolves in a friendly at molinuex , they was in the squad but wasnt playing that day
Stefan Postma, heh? Interesting ...
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i met mark delaney and stefan postma in a cafe in Wolverhampton city centre 2 hours before kick off when we played wolves in a friendly at molinuex , they was in the squad but wasnt playing that day
Stefan Postma, heh? Interesting ...
yes he knows how to enjoy himself
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i met mark delaney and stefan postma in a cafe in Wolverhampton city centre 2 hours before kick off when we played wolves in a friendly at molinuex , they was in the squad but wasnt playing that day
Stefan Postma, heh? Interesting ...
yes he knows how to enjoy himself
Not that ive watched it, honest your honour, but enjoying himself?
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i met mark delaney and stefan postma in a cafe in Wolverhampton city centre 2 hours before kick off when we played wolves in a friendly at molinuex , they was in the squad but wasnt playing that day
Stefan Postma, heh? Interesting ...
yes he knows how to enjoy himself
Not that ive watched it, honest your honour, but enjoying himself?
According to woman involved, he was reticent at the the start, but liked it it the end.
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Does anyone else find it hard to believe that Hollis would meet Pearson somewhere so public as a Warwickshire pub?
I imagine he went in the Orange Tree. There's a lot of Noses around Dorridge and Lapworth so with there being no football fans there, it probably seemed good to stay local.
I pop in the Orange Tree myself from time to time. The only "famous" person I've seen is Paul Robinson. Not the one off neighbours but the useless thug formerly of the Bitters, now plying his trade at the Sty.
I have heard that Andy Gray goes in there too.
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Hollis pulled Pearson.
Beer goggles have a lot to answer for don't they?
Hope he didn't go for morning seconds though. No excuses then is there?
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I bumped into Liam Ridgewell in the Bullring. Literally bumped into him. Absolutely no one else recognised him but it was rammed. I remember thinking 'what a shit famous person to bump into'.
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We have pub in the High Street in Southwold which is very popular for face to face informal meetings with potential managers. Big, spacious, high class at the heart of a football wilderness. I am the only person in town who follows the game and my eyesight is notoriously bad. Two of the meetings I have clocked there have involved scouse manager appointments. If Moyes or Martinez rock up in Adnams territory, I will let you know.
Brian, after years of adventurous, self organised foreign travel, the first holiday I had after having children far too late in life was Southwold. It was the Adnams brewery and lack of modern nonsense that persuaded me. I still sulked and refused to look forward to going. Best holiday I've ever had. So good, I will never go back for fear of ruining the memories. And I've heard they've opened a Costa.
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I love Southwold and Suffolk generally. I seem to remember there is also a great pub nearby in Wabberswick that did magnificent fish and chips. Lovejoy knew what he was doing living out there.
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I love Southwold and Suffolk generally. I seem to remember there is also a great pub nearby in Wabberswick that did magnificent fish and chips. Lovejoy knew what he was doing living out there.
i like lowestoft , we had a caravan for a week at kessingland once
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Back on the manager theme, if he who walks on water is involved in the process, I really , really hope he ensures the coaching staff the new guy wants are up to scratch, as this seems to have been a major non requirement over the last 5 to 6 years. We have employed coaches that have trained any football ability out of the players, not the other way round and improved them.
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It would be a big step up but one of our own Dean Smith has made a decent transition from Walsall to Brentford who fill finish mid table. Brentford being one of those clubs like Watford who seem to have a good eye for a decent manager.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/01/burnleys-honest-toil-sets-an-example-for-all-clubs-to-follow/
Worth a read about Burnley, who sound the exact opposite to the current shambles we are.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/01/burnleys-honest-toil-sets-an-example-for-all-clubs-to-follow/
Worth a read about Burnley, who sound the exact opposite to the current shambles we are.
what a contrast.
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A reason I could see new owners throwing a lot of money at Dyche. Although I think Pearson as much as I dislike him had a very similar ethic and togetherness at Leicester.
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If you look at the way he plays Dyche is the new Martin O'Neill, 4-4-2 with wingers tied to the touchline and he dosen't like signing foreign players very much.
Think last time Burnley got promoted a year early so interesting if he's learnt a bit more this time, good manager though.
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Somebody has reliably informed me Pearson in the next 24hrs...take that with as much salt as you want.
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Somebody has reliably informed me Pearson in the next 24hrs...take that with as much salt as you want.
cant see it
he said a few weeks ago that he wasnt making any decisions until the end of the season
plus what about the takeover *coughs*
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you mean the take over that's about as likely as proving the Loch Ness monster exists?
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you mean the take over that's about as likely as proving the Loch Ness monster exists?
So you reckon that we will never get taken over again?
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you mean the take over that's about as likely as proving the Loch Ness monster exists?
Nessie has been spotted in the cut by Spaghetti Junction several times - but no buyers yet.
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Ha! I fully expect this to drag on -I don't think we've reached rock bottom yet, why pay even £75m when you might get the club for less?
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That's so disappointing if we do appoint him. Big gamble again by the club. How many times are this board going to make the same mistake. I just can't see what he has done in the game to get to manage us. Nine games with Leicester last season....?
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That's so disappointing if we do appoint him. Big gamble again by the club. How many times are this board going to make the same mistake. I just can't see what he has done in the game to get to manage us. Nine games with Leicester last season....?
He did get them promoted before that, which is kind of what we're looking for.
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Hiring another manager without his preferred back room line up. What could possibly go wrong?
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Moyes drifting out to 14-1 was not what I wanted to see. Pearson is 4/7 on, we do often seem to go for the 'obvious' choice if it is him, as Sherwood was also favourite when we appointed him. If he comes, he needs money and some good coaches.
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I hope we get him in. One of the recurring themes I've seen from Leicester fans singing his praises, is the root and branch change he appears to have affected at every level of their club. The quicker we get him in, hopefully the quicker things can change for the better.
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If it's Pearson, then fair enough. But I am concerned that he won't have his usual coaching team with him and may be bringing in, arguably, a failure in Chris Powell along instead. However, there is enough time for him to look out other coaches and build his own team. We do need to get on with it so we can start identifying players, in and out though.
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Well many Leicester fans have been praising the work Pearson did in setting the football side of the club up, sports science, scouting etc etc.If that is the case we must give him the same freedom here.
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you mean the take over that's about as likely as proving the Loch Ness monster exists?
So you reckon that we will never get taken over again?
we could get over taken by a blind man on a unicycle
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I can understand the cynical, given the record of those who previously ran the club.
I also understand that everything and everyone connected with the club is an absolute failure & that some things should be obvious to everyone (TSM & Tactics Tim).
But how about we give those who run the club now the chance to get it wrong before we condem them.
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you mean the take over that's about as likely as proving the Loch Ness monster exists?
So you reckon that we will never get taken over again?
we could get over taken by a blind man on a unicycle
He'd do a better job than Lerner
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As could Mr Bean
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I don't like him, but if it is him, and Chris Powell as number 2, then let them get on with it. Indeed I would be more confident of promotion than I would be with most of the other contenders, and I can see how/ what he brings that we don't have at all.
I just don't see myself ever actually liking the man.
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you mean the take over that's about as likely as proving the Loch Ness monster exists?
So you reckon that we will never get taken over again?
we could get over taken by a blind man on a unicycle
Can he play left back?
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I don't like him, but if it is him, and Chris Powell as number 2, then let them get on with it. Indeed I would be more confident of promotion than I would be with most of the other contenders, and I can see how/ what he brings that we don't have at all.
I just don't see myself ever actually liking the man.
I don't either, he seems a right prat. However I found myself liking McCleish, I liked Lambert and also thought Remi seemed a top bloke. Maybe someone I don't warm to won't matter if we get results.
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I don't like Pearson but love him or hate him he shares some responsibility for Leicesters rise and his more recent exp in championship gives him edge over Moyes..
That said me personally I'd take Houghton mix of decent guy and decent manager
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I don't like him, but if it is him, and Chris Powell as number 2, then let them get on with it. Indeed I would be more confident of promotion than I would be with most of the other contenders, and I can see how/ what he brings that we don't have at all.
I just don't see myself ever actually liking the man.
As said previously - not many liked Ron Saunders
I am sure not many liked Fergurson, Cloughie
but they commanded fearful respect and were strong disciplinarians
Fuck me we need some of that
I would like a Villa presence on the coaching side though and I am not advocating Cowans or MacDonald but maybe even a Petrov or an Ian Taylor
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Somebody has reliably informed me Pearson in the next 24hrs...take that with as much salt as you want.
I know it's a dangerous thing to say, but I just want it sorted now, I've had enough.
My opinion is, who ever takes over as manager, we just have to get on with it and be grateful given the circumstances
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I don't like him, but if it is him, and Chris Powell as number 2, then let them get on with it. Indeed I would be more confident of promotion than I would be with most of the other contenders, and I can see how/ what he brings that we don't have at all.
I just don't see myself ever actually liking the man.
As said previously - not many liked Ron Saunders
I am sure not many liked Fergurson, Cloughie
but they commanded fearful respect and were strong disciplinarians
Fuck me we need some of that
I would like a Villa presence on the coaching side though and I am not advocating Cowans or MacDonald but maybe even a Petrov or an Ian Taylor
Dion?
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Does Pearson have a style of play that he prefers ?
I suspect he'll get the job done, but then once we are re-established in the PL, we will start moaning about style or something, and agitate for a fancy foreign manager.
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Does Pearson have a style of play that he prefers ?
I suspect he'll get the job done, but then once we are re-established in the PL, we will start moaning about style or something, and agitate for a fancy foreign manager.
There's currently one British manager in the Top 10 and two in the Top 14. One of the them is Tiny Penis. Fancy foreign managers? Let's get promoted first.
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you mean the take over that's about as likely as proving the Loch Ness monster exists?
So you reckon that we will never get taken over again?
Of course we will, don't be silly but this current ''claim'' just seems bollocks to divert some attention and pressure away from the shambles on the field, the shambles in the board room and the human form of a shambles Lerner.
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Does Pearson have a style of play that he prefers ?
I suspect he'll get the job done, but then once we are re-established in the PL, we will start moaning about style or something, and agitate for a fancy foreign manager.
There's currently one British manager in the Top 10 and two in the Top 14. One of the them is Tiny Penis. Fancy foreign managers? Let's get promoted first.
I would rather go down again that have Pulis anywhere near our club - complete and utter anti football
Agreed all this talk of when we are back..............lets build something to get out before we start talking crap like that
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Does Pearson have a style of play that he prefers ?
I suspect he'll get the job done, but then once we are re-established in the PL, we will start moaning about style or something, and agitate for a fancy foreign manager.
I don't know if he has a discernible style but his Leicester side played some very good stuff in getting promoted. And even when they weren't doing well last season they worked hard and weren't just getting blown out like us. And they figured things out and went on that amazing end of season run they played some very nice stuff, lots of energy and passion and scored goals. Remarkable to think a side say bottom of the table could have that level of confidence. Especially when you look at how we capitulate week after week. While Leicester winning the title this season is a stunning achievement Pearson played a major role to put in place those building blocks.
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The way this are going we will simply miss all the available managers ............ Pearson won't hang around once other offers come on the table and why should he
To say we would not accept Pulls is wrong ....I am sure the vast majority just want to see us organised and winning games ....... for those old enough to remember how many of us were inspired when Ron Saunders was appointed?
However he was then adored when we started to win games ......... thats got to be the aim currently
It MUST be a British manager who will sort out the dressing room and start to get us back into the Premiership
If Pulls or Pearson were appointed and we won the first 6 games next season how many would be complaining about the appointment?
However the way its going Eric Black and Kevin Mac will be joint managers
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The way this are going we will simply miss all the available managers ............ Pearson won't hang around once other offers come on the table and why should he
Absolutely. If they have decided on him (or Moyes or anyone else out of work) it is criminal that it hasn't been sorted.
To say we would not accept Pulls is wrong ....I am sure the vast majority just want to see us organised and winning games .......
No way. I will never accept that Pulis is the answer.
It MUST be a British manager who will sort out the dressing room and start to get us back into the Premiership
It probably will be, but again I disagree. I would be happy with Flores, Koeman, Bilic, Pocherttino, Benitez, Klopp, Ranieri, Wenger Hiddink or Mourinho!! Obviously I jest, but you get the point?
If Pulls or Pearson were appointed and we won the first 6 games next season how many would be complaining about the appointment?
Fixed that bit.
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Would I want Pulis ,no as I think he is very limited but his limited anti football would be a stepup from the football we have played over this season.
This season has been so tragically poor that even a Pulis managed hold out for a nil nil straight from kick off would be a step up.Certainly it would less embarassing.
Pearson at the end had them playing good stuff and winning , leaving Ranieri to take the reigns of a confident team and run with it to the title.
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Even fans of teams managed by Pulis don't like Pulis. The Stoke fans I know appreciate the consolidation after promotion but grew bored with him, and none of the Bitters I know can stand him.
I'd rather cheese grate tender parts of my anatomy than see him leading out the Villa.
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It MUST be a British manager who will sort out the dressing room and start to get us back into the Premiership
My main focus would be that it's a good manager. But each to their own.
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That's why I think Pearson is ideal. He's created a sense of real togetherness with Leicester that was strong enough to keep them mentally on it in April despite being bottom for a long time.
He's very loyal to his players, which can have its negatives too, but from what I've read he takes a real interest in looking after them which Leicester's lot seemed to value.
Given that we may find it impossible to shift on the toxic few, it may need to be evolution in certain cases rather than the desired revolution.
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I think your right Ads. I'm not completely sure on Pearson but one thing which has been completely apparent with Leicester is their team spirit, work ethic and belief. We are at the poles apart, the complete end of that spectrum.
If someone can fix that then some of the basics might just fall I place.
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I've come around more to the idea of Pearson, but I can't see past the largely anonymous part of his managerial career before he shouted at Pat Murphy.
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Given that we may find it impossible to shift on the toxic few, it may need to be evolution in certain cases rather than the desired revolution.
Not getting at you as there are many saying this. No, it will not be impossible.
It may cost some money but if we are not willing to do it, the half-arsed approach will see us fail, both on the pitch and financially. This Club needs a major shake up and it has to start by clearing the decks of players that are not 100% of the right attitude or experienced players that are just not good enough.
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I think your right Ads. I'm not completely sure on Pearson but one thing which has been completely apparent with Leicester is their team spirit, work ethic and belief. We are at the poles apart, the complete end of that spectrum.
If someone can fix that then some of the basics might just fall I place.
If it is to be him, then he might just bring a couple of their fringe players in who know the division and he has worked with before. Players like De Laet (the RB currently on loan at Middlesborough) and Andy King would be good signings for us.
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Was on the fence before but .... Bring him in (Pearson) asap.
I'm watching football today over here, fair play to Leicester - but the man the players and fans alike who started the whole journey, Nigel Pearson.
We need to get out this shite league and quick, for me he can't come in quick enough.
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If Pearson is the bloke they want, I'd do it straight after the Arsenal game.
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i dont like pearson as a bloke but he would knock our rbble into shape
however i think he is keeping his powder dry and as much as it pains me to say it i can see him at the bitters
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There seems to have been a general change of opinion about Nigel Pearson's managerial skills following Ranieri leading Leicester to their unexpected PL win. He may be the right candidate but he left Leicester last June.
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Is Pearson expected to instill discipline in the same way we thought Roy Keane would when he turned up?
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I have no idea but right now, snagging him as Manager would feel like a positive - and I can't stand the bloke.
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Not sure he will be Keane style but from what his players seem to say is that he is hard but fair and generated a real team ethos at Leicester. Plus he was very proactive with some of the sports science elements and in getting the right coaching methods in place. Let's face it we don't want him, but he might do the job we need him to do. I would prefer to wait and see if we could nab Hughton though. His Championship record is exceptional.
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If Pearson is the bloke they want, I'd do it straight after the Arsenal game.
If he's the bloke they want, why aren't they doing it now?
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If he's the bloke they want, who are 'they'?
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If Pearson is the bloke they want, I'd do it straight after the Arsenal game.
If he's the bloke they want, why aren't they doing it now?
No idea, could be for any number of reasons. Maybe he wants to wait until the end of the season. It doesn't really matter that much, we're down anyway. Starting afresh is better me thinks.
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That's why I think Pearson is ideal. He's created a sense of real togetherness with Leicester that was strong enough to keep them mentally on it in April despite being bottom for a long time.
He's very loyal to his players, which can have its negatives too, but from what I've read he takes a real interest in looking after them which Leicester's lot seemed to value.
Given that we may find it impossible to shift on the toxic few, it may need to be evolution in certain cases rather than the desired revolution.
You've made a strong case there Ads - and I'm at the stage now where I too think Pearson might well be the best candidate to turn this club's fortunes round on the park. I've witnessed his sides in The Championship: and they've always looked organised, hard-working and hard to beat. Many of us may not particularly like some of his personality traits, but he's the type of manager that I believe we need to instill discipline & a sense of togetherness in the dressing room & beyond. It doesn't appear Moyes is mad enough to sup from the poisoned chalice, but hopefully Nigel Pearson will be. We could - and indeed have done - one helluva lot worse. Get him in asap, I say.
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If he's the bloke they want, who are 'they'?
Indeed - and thereby lies the root of our ongoing 'problems'...
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If the Club does not know where it's at regarding the future owner, why would a manager sign on. Any reasonable manager will want to know what conditions he will be working under.
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If Pearson is the bloke they want, I'd do it straight after the Arsenal game.
If he's the bloke they want, why aren't they doing it now?
No idea, could be for any number of reasons. Maybe he wants to wait until the end of the season. It doesn't really matter that much, we're down anyway. Starting afresh is better me thinks.
If it is him it then it should have been signed some time ago. If the delay is on our part it smacks of dithering and valuable time wasted. If on his, then I hope we have a plan B as his stock has just risen and he may well get better offers. (justified or not).
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If Pearson is the bloke they want, I'd do it straight after the Arsenal game.
If he's the bloke they want, why aren't they doing it now?
No idea, could be for any number of reasons. Maybe he wants to wait until the end of the season. It doesn't really matter that much, we're down anyway. Starting afresh is better me thinks.
If it is him it then it should have been signed some time ago. If the delay is on our part it smacks of dithering and valuable time wasted. If on his, then I hope we have a plan B as his stock has just risen and he may well get better offers. (justified or not).
Exactly. It matters a lot if we're dithering and giving others a chance to sign him up. Perhaps the only "advantage" of early relegation is that we know before anyone else what we'll be doing next season. I don't trust Lerner or the military monkey he's got on our board to do anything properly. Just my guess, but I sense another fuck up on the cards here. I see McLeish is back in the job market....
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I went on a stag weekend in Bournemouth 20 odd years ago and to kill time and to keep us out the pub, we went to watch the Cherries on the Saturday. We heartily joined in the chants of 'Pulis Out' even though we were unaware of the sheer prickery of the man back then.
I feel as though I have a head start on any chanting for next season if we do employ the buffoon.
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I hope it was 'Pulis out' you heard...
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Pearson has got one team out of the Championship once, and he isn't exactly a young up and coming manager.
With the standards suitably lowered to the point that Mick McCarthy and Steve Bruce are linked with the job, I can understand the logic in a lesser-of-three evils way.
But even as a Championship club, we can do better.
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Alex McLeish is available. Just left Egyptian side Zamalek after a whopping 65 days.
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Alex McLeish is available. Just left Egyptian side Zamalek after a whopping 65 days.
Apologies in advance - but he's really dropping down the football pyramid isn't he?
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At least he's not in DeNile about it.
All Tom's fault.
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Out of work again - poor Giza
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I really hate the punathons, but bravo on those last two.
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Alex McLeish is available. Just left Egyptian side Zamalek after a whopping 65 days.
Or an interminable, never-ending 65 days, as it must have felt to Zamalek supporters.
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Remember Pearson will be without his two minions. In terms of him building the foundations for what happened at Leicester, we will probably only have the ying. The yang will still be at Leicester.
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I really hate the punathons, but bravo on those last two.
A lot of people Tut at the puns.
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yeah they give some people the hump.
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Didn't he lose his last game tomb-nil?
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I really hate the punathons, but bravo on those last two.
And you can't say Pharaoh than that.
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I've heard his team Sphinx their league out.
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I thought he was going to be sacked in dune?
Sorry.
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Pearson has got one team out of the Championship once, and he isn't exactly a young up and coming manager.
With the standards suitably lowered to the point that Mick McCarthy and Steve Bruce are linked with the job, I can understand the logic in a lesser-of-three evils way.
But even as a Championship club, we can do better.
I agree, but the reality of what is - or indeed isn't - happening at our club means that most would-be candidates will avoid us like the plague. And who could possibly blame them?
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Any news on anything happening anywhere? Or are we still acting like a walking zombie?
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Pearson has got one team out of the Championship once, and he isn't exactly a young up and coming manager.
With the standards suitably lowered to the point that Mick McCarthy and Steve Bruce are linked with the job, I can understand the logic in a lesser-of-three evils way.
But even as a Championship club, we can do better.
I agree, but the reality of what is - or indeed isn't - happening at our club means that most would-be candidates will avoid us like the plague. And who could possibly blame them?
Agreed. I'm expecting to see bloody tumbleweed blowing across the pitch on Saturday. Nothing is happening until the takeover I think.
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It can't be easy for TSM over there. Apart from anything else, I'd imagine he Stix out like a sore thumb,
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I really hate the punathons, but bravo on those last two.
And you can't say Pharaoh than that.
No surprise then that Zamalek are looking for A New Boss.
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Out of work again - poor Giza
Walked like an Egyptian apparently
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i heard he was giving up football and wants to be a Cairo- practor , sorry x
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If I was getting this much stick I would run to my mummy
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At least he's not in DeNile about it.
All Tom's fault.
No doubt he'll be complaining that he was Delta bad hand.
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shame eck sheicked em up
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Out of work again - poor Giza
Walked like an Egyptian apparently
Aswan should do under the circumstances.
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I really hate the punathons, but bravo on those last two.
And you can't say Pharaoh than that.
No surprise then that Zamalek are looking for A New Boss.
Nice work.
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If Pearson is the bloke they want, I'd do it straight after the Arsenal game.
If he's the bloke they want, why aren't they doing it now?
No idea, could be for any number of reasons. Maybe he wants to wait until the end of the season. It doesn't really matter that much, we're down anyway. Starting afresh is better me thinks.
If it is him it then it should have been signed some time ago. If the delay is on our part it smacks of dithering and valuable time wasted. If on his, then I hope we have a plan B as his stock has just risen and he may well get better offers. (justified or not).
Unless of course the supposed takeover is actually happening. As it has been with most of Lerner's tenure, we are completely in the dark as to what is happening at the club.
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If the Club does not know where it's at regarding the future owner, why would a manager sign on. Any reasonable manager will want to know what conditions he will be working under.
Pearson it is then, there's no way he can be seen as "reasonable" which ever way you define it.
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lerner , may well give Fat Gab a go, well his already on the payroll, and surely its only a matter of time??
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Prince William to increase workload by taking Aston Villa job
(http://newsthump.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Prince-William-Aston-Villa-small.jpg)
William Duke of Cambridge has responded to criticism that he is workshy by taking over as manager of newly relegated Aston Villa.
The Duke is understood to have been recommended to the Villa board by the Prime Minister, who has supported the club ever since being told to by an adviser.
“The Duke of Cambridge called me to say that he was catching a bit of stick about not pulling his weight,” said Mr Cameron.
“He asked if I knew of any high-profile roles he could perform to help him appear busy. I told him there was a job going at Aston Villa. The Duke said that leading Villa sounded lovely, so I called Randy Lerner and hey presto! he starts in the summer.”
However, many Villa fans are shocked by the appointment.
“I didn’t see that coming,” says season ticket holder Barry Spurtle. ‘We thought it would be Nigel Pearson or David Moyes. The second in line to the throne was well down the list, behind Sean Dyche.
“We thought it would be Nigel Pearson or David Moyes. The second in line to the throne was well down the list, just behind Sean Dyche.
“As far as I’m aware Prince William has no experience engineering promotion from an increasingly competitive Championship.
“He’s used to the finer things in life-like gala dinners and cruises on the Royal Yacht. How’s he going to cope on a pissing wet Tuesday night in Rotherham yelling at Alan Hutton to hoof it the fuck up the park?”
William was quick to defend his appointment and answer questions over how he would handle the Gabby Agbonlahor situation.
“I will handle it like a professional,” insisted the Duke.
“Just as soon as I find out what a Gabby Agbonlahor is.”
http://newsthump.com/2016/04/21/prince-william-to-increase-workload-by-taking-aston-villa-job/
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Was a nice setup. Wish the author had spent more time on it. Could have been funny.
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Dyche has refused to commit to Burnley apparently when asked about it.
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He'd be a feckin Egypt to consider us though.
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Dyche has refused to commit to Burnley apparently when asked about it.
Maybe he just like winning promotions?
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Dyche has refused to commit to Burnley apparently when asked about it.
Maybe he just like winning promotions?
“It’s for another time, it’s not for now,” he said, when quizzed on the speculation about the future.
He just wants to talk about Burnley and not respond to stupid questions about his future.
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Dyche has refused to commit to Burnley apparently when asked about it.
Maybe he just like winning promotions?
“It’s for another time, it’s not for now,” he said, when quizzed on the speculation about the future.
He just wants to talk about Burnley and not respond to stupid questions about his future.
Basically, wants to join the Villa. And who can blame him?
I'd go for him above Pearson any day of the week.
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and when did this all start!!??
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I'd love him to come just to see the look on his face when he first meets fatuous features himself.
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Dyche would be an incredible appointment considering his stock, his record in that division and where his club are and where we are. He would be bonkers in many ways to do it, but we are a much bigger club. Success at Villa Park would be a massive tick on his CV to bigger things in the future.
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Dyche would be an incredible appointment considering his stock, his record in that division and where his club are and where we are. He would be bonkers in many ways to do it, but we are a much bigger club. Success at Villa Park would be a massive tick on his CV to bigger things in the future.
The problem I can see with someone like Dyche is that he is coming from a club where the players are committed, hard working and obviously buy into his methods. I can imagine after the first training session with us he would realise that he was up against something very different and a group of players accustomed to doing pretty much as they pleased. It would be a huge test for someone like him.
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There's a rumour doing the rounds on the bible that is Twitter that Pearson was seen leaving BMH around 4.30 today.
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Hopefully just lost on his way to The Belfry.
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Dyche has refused to commit to Burnley apparently when asked about it.
Maybe he just like winning promotions?
“It’s for another time, it’s not for now,” he said, when quizzed on the speculation about the future.
He just wants to talk about Burnley and not respond to stupid questions about his future.
Basically, wants to join the Villa. And who can blame him?
I'd go for him above Pearson any day of the week.
Only because he speaks posh.
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Dyche would be an incredible appointment considering his stock, his record in that division and where his club are and where we are. He would be bonkers in many ways to do it, but we are a much bigger club. Success at Villa Park would be a massive tick on his CV to bigger things in the future.
The problem I can see with someone like Dyche is that he is coming from a club where the players are committed, hard working and obviously buy into his methods. I can imagine after the first training session with us he would realise that he was up against something very different and a group of players accustomed to doing pretty much as they pleased. It would be a huge test for someone like him.
Surely the same applies to whoever comes in? They'll all be greeted with the same steaming pile of shite and have to deal with it, regardless of where they are coming from.
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Dyche would be an incredible appointment considering his stock, his record in that division and where his club are and where we are. He would be bonkers in many ways to do it, but we are a much bigger club. Success at Villa Park would be a massive tick on his CV to bigger things in the future.
The problem I can see with someone like Dyche is that he is coming from a club where the players are committed, hard working and obviously buy into his methods. I can imagine after the first training session with us he would realise that he was up against something very different and a group of players accustomed to doing pretty much as they pleased. It would be a huge test for someone like him.
Surely the same applies to whoever comes in? They'll all be greeted with the same steaming pile of shite and have to deal with it, regardless of where they are coming from.
It does, but some managers out there will have dealt with similar situations before and have experience of it. Younger managers like Dyche might not and we all saw the struggles Lambert had coming from Norwich.
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Dyche signed a new contract in February.There was an interview where he was unable to commit his future to Burnley but that was in May 2015 after relegation from the Premiership.
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The problem with Lambert was that he sacrificed all his previous managerial principles in order to live like a jekyll and earn loads of money. We need a manager who is not prepared to become a nodding donkey.
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The problem with Lambert was that he sacrificed all his previous managerial principles in order to live like a jekyll and earn loads of money. We need a manager who is not prepared to become a nodding donkey.
You're spot on there mate.
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Absolutely right olaftab. The REAL damage started when Lambert abandoned all his style and successful methods of management to appease Lerner. He went straight from promising young manager to stooge overnight.
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Absolutely right olaftab. The REAL damage started when Lambert abandoned all his style and successful methods of management to appease Lerner. He went straight from promising young manager to stooge overnight.
A million quid will do that to a man
More generally any manager coming in who can get anything positive out of us in the next few years should be lauded as bleeding genius
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Absolutely right olaftab. The REAL damage started when Lambert abandoned all his style and successful methods of management to appease Lerner. He went straight from promising young manager to stooge overnight.
A million quid will do that to a man
More generally any manager coming in who can get anything positive out of us in the next few years should be lauded as bleeding genius
Very true. Any manager who can tidy this mess up and get us back up will rightly take his place alongside Sir Graham.
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If they keep us up comfortably and bring stability I agree.
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let's not be too greedy; right now I'd settle for getting us back up.
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I have been quite relaxed about the whole new manager thing, in the hope, rather than expectation that the club are taking their time to identify and get the right man (whoever that is).
However, I am now seriously starting to think this is drifting on too long for it to be healthy for the club.
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If they keep us up comfortably and bring stability I agree.
Agreed, keeping us up in the championship should be our priority
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Iain Dowie is pottering around our office today in his capacity as Sales Manager for a surveying company.
Could ask him if he's interested.
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Iain Dowie is pottering around our office today in his capacity as Sales Manager for a surveying company.
Could ask him if he's interested.
I dont think he wants the ride any more
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Iain Dowie is pottering around our office today in his capacity as Sales Manager for a surveying company.
Could ask him if he's interested.
Is he prepared to take a pay cut?
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Absolutely right olaftab. The REAL damage started when Lambert abandoned all his style and successful methods of management to appease Lerner. He went straight from promising young manager to stooge overnight.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but I''m just curious: what are we talking about in this instance? The decision to join us in the first place? Signing the new contract? Starting up the bomb squad? I just feel like Lambert mostly has himself to blame for what happened during his tenure: he made positive progress in the second half of his first season, and then seemed to completely backtrack on it in terms of playing style - I don't see how doing so would be down to anything but his choice. Okay, he wasn't exactly given a lot of money during that summer to help build upon the first season, but it wasn't a negligible amount either: wasn't it something like 6 million pounds for Kozak, 4 million for Okore, and a million or so each for the likes of Bacuna, Luna and Helenius?
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Well at the end of the first season it looked the exciting debonair Norwich Lambert had surfaced finally and the team were refreshing to watch and could attack with purpose. We just couldn't keep a clean sheet so that needed to be addressed in the summer. Start of the second season and we beat Arsenal deservedly, were very unlucky against Chelsea and it had the media purring over us. It looked like we were going to be a dangerous attacking team. Then we played Liverpool and it was the Villa all too often seen over the past 3 years or so. Drab, bland, and not attacking intent. If anything, for me, sums up Lambert it was then. he nailed his ability to his cross.
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I have been quite relaxed about the whole new manager thing, in the hope, rather than expectation that the club are taking their time to identify and get the right man (whoever that is).
However, I am now seriously starting to think this is drifting on too long for it to be healthy for the club.
It could be that Pearson ( or whoever ) and the Club are waiting until the final whistle of this season blows, before confirming the appointment ..... quoting Gregg Evans in the Mail " I can understand that managers won't want to be associated with a relegated team ".................Godzvilla!
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I have been quite relaxed about the whole new manager thing, in the hope, rather than expectation that the club are taking their time to identify and get the right man (whoever that is).
However, I am now seriously starting to think this is drifting on too long for it to be healthy for the club.
It could be that Pearson ( or whoever ) and the Club are waiting until the final whistle of this season blows, before confirming the appointment ..... quoting Gregg Evans in the Mail " I can understand that managers won't want to be associated with a relegated team ".................Godzvilla!
Eh? We're already relegated, so it doesn't make any difference!
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In the latest missive from the club Steve Hollis says "The appointment of the manager is at this time inextricably linked to the current negotiations", so looks like we won't get a new manager before any sale goes through.
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In the latest missive from the club Steve Hollis says "The appointment of the manager is at this time inextricably linked to the current negotiations", so looks like we won't get a new manager before any sale goes through.
Or until it becomes clear that it is not going to happen within a satisfactory time frame.
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Surely it shouldn't surprise anyone that the new owners would want to recruit and employ the new manager?
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Does this mean Eric Black remains manager for next 3 years? Football Conference here we come .......
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In the latest missive from the club Steve Hollis says "The appointment of the manager is at this time inextricably linked to the current negotiations", so looks like we won't get a new manager before any sale goes through.
Or until it becomes clear that it is not going to happen within a satisfactory time frame.
He also said 'He will want a certain type of pre-season and certain types of games, he will want to go to a certain place he is comfortable with'
So that suggests a manager is agreed upon whoever buys us.
Interesting comments re pre-season and the place.
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I have been quite relaxed about the whole new manager thing, in the hope, rather than expectation that the club are taking their time to identify and get the right man (whoever that is).
However, I am now seriously starting to think this is drifting on too long for it to be healthy for the club.
It could be that Pearson ( or whoever ) and the Club are waiting until the final whistle of this season blows, before confirming the appointment ..... quoting Gregg Evans in the Mail " I can understand that managers won't want to be associated with a relegated team ".................Godzvilla!
lets be realistic
we are in a terrible state so what manager is going to come here before a takeover is done knowing that the new owner could say well i know that randolph said he would give you x amount but ive decided its going to y
if a manager is appointed as soon the season ends then there is no imminent takeover
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I have been quite relaxed about the whole new manager thing, in the hope, rather than expectation that the club are taking their time to identify and get the right man (whoever that is).
However, I am now seriously starting to think this is drifting on too long for it to be healthy for the club.
It could be that Pearson ( or whoever ) and the Club are waiting until the final whistle of this season blows, before confirming the appointment ..... quoting Gregg Evans in the Mail " I can understand that managers won't want to be associated with a relegated team ".................Godzvilla!
lets be realistic
we are in a terrible state so what manager is going to come here before a takeover is done knowing that the new owner could say well i know that randolph said he would give you x amount but ive decided its going to y
if a manager is appointed as soon the season ends then there is no imminent takeover
It almost sounds as if you want to be right.
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In the latest missive from the club Steve Hollis says "The appointment of the manager is at this time inextricably linked to the current negotiations", so looks like we won't get a new manager before any sale goes through.
Or until it becomes clear that it is not going to happen within a satisfactory time frame.
He also said 'He will want a certain type of pre-season and certain types of games, he will want to go to a certain place he is comfortable with'
So that suggests a manager is agreed upon whoever buys us.
Interesting comments re pre-season and the place.
I can't see a new manager agreeing to take the job before a new owner is confirmed. Any manager worth his salt would want to do his own "due diligence " on the owner. He would want to interview them to see what parameters they expect him to work within, and get a sense of whether he could work with them.
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I have been quite relaxed about the whole new manager thing, in the hope, rather than expectation that the club are taking their time to identify and get the right man (whoever that is).
However, I am now seriously starting to think this is drifting on too long for it to be healthy for the club.
It could be that Pearson ( or whoever ) and the Club are waiting until the final whistle of this season blows, before confirming the appointment ..... quoting Gregg Evans in the Mail " I can understand that managers won't want to be associated with a relegated team ".................Godzvilla!
lets be realistic
we are in a terrible state so what manager is going to come here before a takeover is done knowing that the new owner could say well i know that randolph said he would give you x amount but ive decided its going to y
if a manager is appointed as soon the season ends then there is no imminent takeover
It almost sounds as if you want to be right.
i dont at all, i want us to be where we belong, in the top 6 and winning cups and playing in europe
i just find it impossible to believe that a decet manager is in place purely because come the end of the season there will be other options
and with the takeover what if the new owner wants his own choice in and dont say perspective ownerr will have an influence on who the new manager is because they wont. the clue is in the perspective bit
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I just hope that something is going on behind the scenes. I don't want Pearson but the issue appears to be other candidates are wedging their bets for a more successful side to come in for them cue the likes of Moyes who I think may now be off our radar.
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I have been quite relaxed about the whole new manager thing, in the hope, rather than expectation that the club are taking their time to identify and get the right man (whoever that is).
However, I am now seriously starting to think this is drifting on too long for it to be healthy for the club.
It could be that Pearson ( or whoever ) and the Club are waiting until the final whistle of this season blows, before confirming the appointment ..... quoting Gregg Evans in the Mail " I can understand that managers won't want to be associated with a relegated team ".................Godzvilla!
lets be realistic
we are in a terrible state so what manager is going to come here before a takeover is done knowing that the new owner could say well i know that randolph said he would give you x amount but ive decided its going to y
if a manager is appointed as soon the season ends then there is no imminent takeover
It almost sounds as if you want to be right.
i dont at all, i want us to be where we belong, in the top 6 and winning cups and playing in europe
i just find it impossible to believe that a decet manager is in place purely because come the end of the season there will be other options
and with the takeover what if the new owner wants his own choice in and dont say perspective ownerr will have an influence on who the new manager is because they wont. the clue is in the perspective bit
I've read that several times and I still don't understand the point your making. Are you saying we should have a manager now or wait until we have an owner?
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I have been quite relaxed about the whole new manager thing, in the hope, rather than expectation that the club are taking their time to identify and get the right man (whoever that is).
However, I am now seriously starting to think this is drifting on too long for it to be healthy for the club.
It could be that Pearson ( or whoever ) and the Club are waiting until the final whistle of this season blows, before confirming the appointment ..... quoting Gregg Evans in the Mail " I can understand that managers won't want to be associated with a relegated team ".................Godzvilla!
lets be realistic
we are in a terrible state so what manager is going to come here before a takeover is done knowing that the new owner could say well i know that randolph said he would give you x amount but ive decided its going to y
if a manager is appointed as soon the season ends then there is no imminent takeover
It almost sounds as if you want to be right.
i dont at all, i want us to be where we belong, in the top 6 and winning cups and playing in europe
i just find it impossible to believe that a decet manager is in place purely because come the end of the season there will be other options
and with the takeover what if the new owner wants his own choice in and dont say perspective ownerr will have an influence on who the new manager is because they wont. the clue is in the perspective bit
Randy Lerner was the prospective owner when Martin O'Neill agreed to become our manager based on the fact that our prospective owner was Randy Lerner.
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You invented a great new word there WW. "Wedging" your bets. Bets that are hedged with large sums of cash. I shall use it, with your permission of course, on the racecourses of the land.
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I don't care now who it is as long as Eric Black fucks off big time.
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Do you not think Black has done enough to be in the frame?
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Eric Cack should be banished from football for the good of the game.
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Surely any buyer who shows the sort of 'get this club back to European glory' type ambition would want a better manager than Pearson? We will know soon enough I guess.
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I saw a tweet that Talksport claimed Pearson would be announced as boss after the game today? Did anyone hear this claim?
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Eric Cack should be banished from football for the good of the game.
We all assumed that it was the lack of transfer activity that killed the putative upturn in form at the end of January.
Wasn't that when this joyless chancer turn up?
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How has this man had 37 years with a football career?
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If we hang on another week, Martinez will be available.
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In light of today's goings-on, I popped over to a Newcastle forum for a bit of a look. Their views on their situation mirror many of ours, including a view expressed by many that should they go down, Pearson will be their manager next season.
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In light of today's goings-on, I popped over to a Newcastle forum for a bit of a look. Their views on their situation mirror many of ours, including a view expressed by many that should they go down, Pearson will be their manager next season.
We should be signing him up now because there's no way in hell Rafa will slog it out in the Championship. They're down. Get Pearson on board now. let him start in June by all means, but we need to move quickly.
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We are in limbo which means we can't move quickly.in fact we can't move at all at the moment
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I reckon they will go for Moyes not Pearson. Or Bruce.
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I reckon they will go for Moyes not Pearson. Or Bruce.
Might end up in a race with Celtic for Moyes I'd imagine.
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I just think Pearson is nailed on now. Too much speculation and people openly accepting it will happen.
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If we hang on maybe he'll be the next Geordie messiah.
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Nah Neil Warnock for them. Fans will love him up there.
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Lambert for Celtic, Pearson for the barcodes, Moyes for Villa. Martinez is the world's most boring bloke, he can fuck off. Got a really talented team at Everton and he's turning them into Wigan.
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I don't think Moyes will come here or go to any second division club.
I really don't want the Geordies getting Pearson. With the amount of players they'll need to sell, him giving them a semblance of balance may be all they'd need to win promotion. They're likely to be promotion rivals with us and I'd rather they suffer no advantage.
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I just think Pearson is nailed on now. Too much speculation and people openly accepting it will happen.
Dunno man. Hollis has little reason to lie and in his statement this week I thought he implied new owners will want to hire their own manager rather than the current boards recommendation.
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I just think Pearson is nailed on now. Too much speculation and people openly accepting it will happen.
Which people are openly accepting it, and why does them doing so suggest it makes Pearson nailed on?
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I don't think Moyes will come here or go to any second division club.
Who in the EPL will be giving Moyes a gig? Watford might need a new manager come the summer, but their owners appear to prefer options from the continent. Maybe Palace if they start off poorly, but we'll see if Moyes is willing to wait.
I'm skeptical of our ability to convince him too, but I don't think it'd be because of noticeably better options elsewhre.
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I don't think Moyes will come here or go to any second division club.
Who in the EPL will be giving Moyes a gig? Watford might need a new manager come the summer, but their owners appear to prefer options from the continent. Maybe Palace if they start off poorly, but we'll see if Moyes is willing to wait.
I'm skeptical of our ability to convince him too, but I don't think it'd be because of noticeably better options elsewhre.
i wouldnt mind moyes or pearson however come next saturday the merry go round will start, i reckon newcastle, everton, palace, bitters, watford and maybe sunderland will be looking for a new manager so if i was a manager out of work i would be waiting hence pearsons comments from weeks ago that he would be making no decisions until the end of the season
have we even spoken to either of them?
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We are led to believe Steve Hollis in a pub in that Warwickshire asked Mr and Mrs Pearson what they would like to drink. Word is Mrs Pearson had a Babycham and Mr Pearson had a pint of Cillit Bang.
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I don't think Moyes will come here or go to any second division club.
Who in the EPL will be giving Moyes a gig? Watford might need a new manager come the summer, but their owners appear to prefer options from the continent. Maybe Palace if they start off poorly, but we'll see if Moyes is willing to wait.
I'm skeptical of our ability to convince him too, but I don't think it'd be because of noticeably better options elsewhre.
Celtic?
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I have a horrible feeling that , given the lack of progress,we are going to end up with yet another non entity as our slow decline continues.
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I have a horrible feeling that , given the lack of progress,we are going to end up with yet another non entity as our slow decline continues.
Not really a lack of progress, they know who they want but it's linked to the sale of the club.
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I have a horrible feeling that , given the lack of progress,we are going to end up with yet another non entity as our slow decline continues.
Not really a lack of progress, they know who they want but it's linked to the sale of the club.
id like to believe we have someone lined up, to do that we would have had to have had initial contact. moyes was quoted a couple of weeks ago that he hadnt been in any contact with us
id like to think that they have been approached given how long ago we got rid of garde
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Bearing in mind the next managee is linked in with the possible sale, I think it"s safe to assume that people have been approached.
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Bearing in mind the next managee is linked in with the possible sale, I think it"s safe to assume that people have been approached.
Therefore that should lead to a good appointment.
There is no way we would see the scenario of the out the box McLeish signing. No way would two completely different parties would agree.
I'd say whoever is lined up is well regarded in the football world. I'm going for Pearson, not one I'd choose but probably as I think otherwise, a good choice.
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There's a reasonable chance that each of the "three" interested groups will have approached their own manager. Therefore, depending on each groups origin/means ($$), it's possible that three managers are provisionally lined up and hopefully doing some of their own groundwork.
Whilst it shouldn't be any of Randy's business this might also be one of the factors that Randy is considering when assessing who has the "passion and drive" (or whatever it was they said) to drive the club forward.
Here's hoping...
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We are led to believe Steve Hollis in a pub in that Warwickshire asked Mr and Mrs Pearson what they would like to drink. Word is Mrs Pearson had a Babycham and Mr Pearson had a pint of Cillit Bang.
You failed to mention the Dettol chasers.
Lunch apparently was a deconstructed sandwich of dishwasher tabs on lighting grilled brillo pads with a drizzle of Jif.
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Whilst it shouldn't be any of Randy's business this might also be one of the factors that Randy is considering when assessing who has the "passion and drive" (or whatever it was they said) to drive the club forward.
Here's hoping...
If his reign has shown anything, its that Lerner couldn't pick the right manager regardless of availability and resources.
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And what was not eaten Mr Pearson took home in a Jiffybag for his pet geckos Fukov and Dai.
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It would be strange if we got a multi-billionaire owner or owners and they appointed Mick McCarthy.
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And what was not eaten Mr Pearson took home in a Jiffybag for his pet geckos Fukov and Dai.
Strange that he's got a pair of geckos and it's one from Wales and one from Russia.
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you know, that would really top out our season wouldn't it - new obscenely wealthy Chinese owners who only had eyes for Mick Mack.
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Shouldn't Lerner, as the current owner, be working his balls off to get someone in so that we don't screw up our best chance to come back up by being rudderless all summer and maybe part of next season?
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I don't think Moyes will come here or go to any second division club.
Who in the EPL will be giving Moyes a gig? Watford might need a new manager come the summer, but their owners appear to prefer options from the continent. Maybe Palace if they start off poorly, but we'll see if Moyes is willing to wait.
I'm skeptical of our ability to convince him too, but I don't think it'd be because of noticeably better options elsewhre.
Celtic?
That's more or less accepting your careers over or going nowhere though. More likely to be Lambert.
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The more I read it will be Pearson the more I think it will be Moyes and tied to the takeover. He's the more established name of the two and would be the more attractive option for a new owner.
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I don't think Moyes will come here or go to any second division club.
Who in the EPL will be giving Moyes a gig? Watford might need a new manager come the summer, but their owners appear to prefer options from the continent. Maybe Palace if they start off poorly, but we'll see if Moyes is willing to wait.
I'm skeptical of our ability to convince him too, but I don't think it'd be because of noticeably better options elsewhre.
Celtic?
That's more or less accepting your careers over or going nowhere though. More likely to be Lambert.
I disagree. The league is mince but it does present a more realistic chance of CL football than he will get at most clubs in England.
A few wins against a Rangers side still adjusting to the topflight and he will be made up there. For all his time as a manager, there is a distinct lack of silverware at present. That must gnaw away at him. Two>three years up there will give him a chance to rectify that and he'll still be high profile enough for other gigs in the future if he can make the group stages of the CL with Celtic.
It is the move that makes most sense at present.
Doesn't help that we are a graveyard for managers either.
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I'm not sure where I posted this question, now....
'New Owners' ...'New Manager'...
But it got gobbled up with people Googling the Forbes list and Chinese Billionaires
... and coming up with the same 'names' that have had forums on other club sites wetting themselves. for a year or two.
I'm trying to see some logic, and my question is simple.
If you can help, please reply.
The Background as I followed it:
1) Nigel Pearson is 'leaked' and known to the local media as our preffered choice.
2) Press Conference last Friday, excludes him, and any announcement.
3) More "unofficial" leaks appear in various media, over the weekend, that Nigel couldn't be named because of the delicate or ongoing "TAKEOVER"
4) Silence
5) New leaks about a 'Chinese' Venture Capital outfit being the front runners.
6) Nigel Pearson drops down the bookie's lists of favourites.
That is 6 day's worth of exhaustive following. :D
The question I Have asked, and never got a response because of the freeding frenzy of google-users...is:
Why would Nigel Peasron be pushed back....?
Why leak his name, Mr Hollis ?
MON, came in whilst Randy was doing due diligence, 2 months earlier, Deadly appointed him with approval of a "potential" new owner.
Pearson, suddenly doesn't have that respect / support from our new "potential" new owners? After having his name bandied about by Hollis as our preffered candidate?
Newcastle and Pearson and Ashby are a match-made-in-heaven it now seems.
A COLOSSAL misplay by Hollis, or a PR 'cock-up' ?
My question ...does anyone KNOW..if Pearson as a candidate, was serious in the first place?
Did the new guys with the books, have other opinions about Pearson?
Randy didn't, 2 months before he signed on and previously endorsed MON.
I am confused.
I disregard most opinions, especially google founded.
I'm concentrating on the local bloggers and journos...who had got a tip-n-wink....then it all went silent on Pearson. As some of them have on everything else.
I read every scrap, cos I'm obsessed with us....and I just can't make sense of the "leaks about NP"... then the silence, then more "leaks about 'delicate' new owners"...then more silence about NP.
If I was him, I'd have driven from the aborted Press Conference straight upto St James Park, and signed on.
:)
Why use 10 words, when you can use 100
;D
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I am confused.
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If the new owners apparent have any sense about them ( if such exist), any recommendations for a new manager received from the man child and anyone he has appointed, should be rolled up into a neat paper ball and placed firmly in the bin.
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I'm getting to the point where I won't believe it (the takeover) even when I see it.
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I am of the same mind Mr U. I find I can only endure the endless uncertainty that has engulfed the club for the last five years if I use the image of the ownership of the club being no more than signatures on documents. I force myself to see the only tangible changes of the future to be the names of our opponents on the screens at the ground and the printed particulars in the match day programmes. The owners, the manager, the players, the division we play in, if allowed to drive out normality are the road to the mad house. They have to be a sub plot in the main drama of being a Villa fan. This was manifested in all its pomp and glory last Saturday.
If a manager cannot look at what happened at Villa Park last Saturday afternoon, or what will happen at the Arsenal next week and think "I would like to be part of that" and likewise a potential owner, more fool them.
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I'm not sure where I posted this question, now....
'New Owners' ...'New Manager'...
But it got gobbled up with people Googling the Forbes list and Chinese Billionaires
... and coming up with the same 'names' that have had forums on other club sites wetting themselves. for a year or two.
I'm trying to see some logic, and my question is simple.
If you can help, please reply.
The Background as I followed it:
1) Nigel Pearson is 'leaked' and known to the local media as our preffered choice.
2) Press Conference last Friday, excludes him, and any announcement.
3) More "unofficial" leaks appear in various media, over the weekend, that Nigel couldn't be named because of the delicate or ongoing "TAKEOVER"
4) Silence
5) New leaks about a 'Chinese' Venture Capital outfit being the front runners.
6) Nigel Pearson drops down the bookie's lists of favourites.
That is 6 day's worth of exhaustive following. :D
The question I Have asked, and never got a response because of the freeding frenzy of google-users...is:
Why would Nigel Peasron be pushed back....?
Why leak his name, Mr Hollis ?
MON, came in whilst Randy was doing due diligence, 2 months earlier, Deadly appointed him with approval of a "potential" new owner.
Pearson, suddenly doesn't have that respect / support from our new "potential" new owners? After having his name bandied about by Hollis as our preffered candidate?
Newcastle and Pearson and Ashby are a match-made-in-heaven it now seems.
A COLOSSAL misplay by Hollis, or a PR 'cock-up' ?
My question ...does anyone KNOW..if Pearson as a candidate, was serious in the first place?
Did the new guys with the books, have other opinions about Pearson?
Randy didn't, 2 months before he signed on and previously endorsed MON.
I am confused.
I disregard most opinions, especially google founded.
I'm concentrating on the local bloggers and journos...who had got a tip-n-wink....then it all went silent on Pearson. As some of them have on everything else.
I read every scrap, cos I'm obsessed with us....and I just can't make sense of the "leaks about NP"... then the silence, then more "leaks about 'delicate' new owners"...then more silence about NP.
If I was him, I'd have driven from the aborted Press Conference straight upto St James Park, and signed on.
:)
Why use 10 words, when you can use 100
;D
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6) Nigel Pearson drops down the bookie's lists of favourites.
Nigel Pearson has odds of 4/9 with most bookmakers this morning.
Why leak his name, Mr Hollis ?
What on earth are you talking about?
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I'm reading between the lines here but I believe that we might be interested in the Greek manager Aristotle Ellipsis...
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The more I read it will be Pearson the more I think it will be Moyes and tied to the takeover. He's the more established name of the two and would be the more attractive option for a new owner.
Yes TV but Pearson managed Leicester and that will impress our prospective Asian owners.
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I'm actually wondering if Moyes may go back to Everton. New owners for us and top flight football would have him for sure, but I just one isn't enough for me.
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I'm actually wondering if Moyes may go back to Everton. New owners for us and top flight football would have him for sure, but I just one isn't enough for me.
working in the Gulag that is Liverpool, I dont think there is any way that Evertonians would want Moyes back
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I'm actually wondering if Moyes may go back to Everton. New owners for us and top flight football would have him for sure, but I just one isn't enough for me.
working in the Gulag that is Liverpool, I dont think there is any way that Evertonians would want Moyes back
As often mentioned not many of them were upset when he left - Dour Manager providing dour football - surely we have had a enough of those
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I'm actually wondering if Moyes may go back to Everton. New owners for us and top flight football would have him for sure, but I just one isn't enough for me.
working in the Gulag that is Liverpool, I dont think there is any way that Evertonians would want Moyes back
Think it depends who else they could attract. The last two seasons under Martenz has only further enhanced the job which he did there originally. Koeman might be a good option for them though.
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I'm actually wondering if Moyes may go back to Everton. New owners for us and top flight football would have him for sure, but I just one isn't enough for me.
working in the Gulag that is Liverpool, I dont think there is any way that Evertonians would want Moyes back
Think it depends who else they could attract. The last two seasons under Martenz has only further enhanced the job which he did there originally. Koeman might be a good option for them though.
Right nationality, right generation, wrong man.
Frank de Boer.
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Just read that Ralf Rangnick has promoted yet another team to the Bundesliga. Could be worth a shot on the proviso that he's a touch erratic when he gets them up.
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Arsene 'Aston Villa' Wenger
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seems to be a lot of money going on roberto di matteo
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager
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seems to be a lot of money going on roberto di matteo
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager
As others have said earlier, you only need a bit of cash going in at this stage to see the market move like that. I seem to remember him being nailed on to replace the hapless buffoon Lambert a few years ago.
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I hope it's not Di Matteo!
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Not crazy about Di Matteo, but Pearson IS crazy, so tough one.
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championship experience for Di Matteo ? ?
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championship experience for Di Matteo ? ?
Promoted from the Championship with the Baggies.
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Took the Olbiyun up, didn't he?
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championship experience for Di Matteo ? ?
He got West Bromwich Obsessed straight up after taking them over when they got relegated. Won the Champions League with them too - or that might have been Chelsea.
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Was he manager when Chavski nicked the European Money Cup?
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He certainly was. Won 2 trophies with Chavski as Manager/head coach.
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I see Guidolin is staying on at Swansea. Could we be fighting Celtic and possibly Newcastle for Rodgers then?
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What are the chances of a di Matteo and Steve Clarke combo?
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I see Guidolin is staying on at Swansea. Could we be fighting Celtic and possibly Newcastle for Rodgers then?
Not for me unless he brings in Moyes to sort out a defence.
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What are the chances of a di Matteo and Steve Clarke combo?
I don't see either of them being keen to play second-fiddle to the other.
And I think an Evans / Houllier or Curbishley / Gritt scenario isn't going to happen anywhere anytime soon.
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I think Rodgers fell apart at Liverpool because he felt the pressure to really attack like a maniac all the time, which went against his natural instincts. Say what you like about him, but he has clear ideas about how to play the game and could bring us some coherence (and suit our players as well).
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What are the chances of a di Matteo and Steve Clarke combo?
I don't see either of them being keen to play second-fiddle to the other.
And I think an Evans / Houllier or Curbishley / Gritt scenario isn't going to happen anywhere anytime soon.
I was thinking more as Clarke as Assistant/Head Coach. From what I can see, Clarke hasn't been in management since being sacked by Reading in December, 2015. I don't think he's management material but as a coach he's more than we could hope for. The opposite could be said about di Matteo.
Monty, wasn't Rodgers big problem at Liverpool the fact he couldn't organise a defence? Everton fans highly rate Moyes as a (defensive) coach but not as a manager. He has a touch of the Eric Blacks about his team selections and use of subs. Obviously I don't expect Moyes to work under Rodgers, just pointing out how they're opposites and would in theory work well together, by canceling out each others respective weaknesses.
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Oh sure, but Rodgers' main way of defending was playing keepball, which the Liverpool fans disliked early on because they saw it as overcautious. To compensate, Rodgers went to that insane attacking diamond system which got them to second, but only because of Luis Suarez - without him it fell apart, leaving them with the worst of both worlds.
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If it's a straight choice between Pearson and Di Matteo then Di Matteo wins hands down. He has won promotion from Championship so ticks that box although I don't buy that as a pre requisit. If he gets the right financial backing and can rid us of the current squad he would be an inspired choice. Pearson IMO would be an uninspiring choice who would fail again when we get back to the top flight
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What are the chances of a di Matteo and Steve Clarke combo?
I don't see either of them being keen to play second-fiddle to the other.
And I think an Evans / Houllier or Curbishley / Gritt scenario isn't going to happen anywhere anytime soon.
I was thinking more as Clarke as Assistant/Head Coach. From what I can see, Clarke hasn't been in management since being sacked by Reading in December, 2015. I don't think he's management material but as a coach he's more than we could hope for. The opposite could be said about di Matteo.
I still don't think that he's likely to want to come in as an assistant. Fulham wanted him as their manager as recently as six months ago.
It's one thing being assistant to Mourinho at Chelsea in the Champion's League, I can't imagine the allure would be there to take a demotion in role to join Villa in the Championship.
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Oh sure, but Rodgers' main way of defending was playing keepball, which the Liverpool fans disliked early on because they saw it as overcautious. To compensate, Rodgers went to that insane attacking diamond system which got them to second, but only because of Luis Suarez - without him it fell apart, leaving them with the worst of both worlds.
Indeed. They managed to score 101 goals that season but conceded 50. Hull City, who finished 16th only conceded 53.
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I think Rodgers fell apart at Liverpool because he felt the pressure to really attack like a maniac all the time, which went against his natural instincts. Say what you like about him, but he has clear ideas about how to play the game and could bring us some coherence (and suit our players as well).
I suspect Brendan was a "right place, right time" chancer.
Let's not forget, this is the man who got tactically outwitted by Lambert more than once, and put together one of the biggest tactical shambles we've witnessed in recent years against us in the FAC semi final.
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What are the chances of a di Matteo and Steve Clarke combo?
I don't see either of them being keen to play second-fiddle to the other.
And I think an Evans / Houllier or Curbishley / Gritt scenario isn't going to happen anywhere anytime soon.
I was thinking more as Clarke as Assistant/Head Coach. From what I can see, Clarke hasn't been in management since being sacked by Reading in December, 2015. I don't think he's management material but as a coach he's more than we could hope for. The opposite could be said about di Matteo.
I still don't think that he's likely to want to come in as an assistant. Fulham wanted him as their manager as recently as six months ago.
It's one thing being assistant to Mourinho at Chelsea in the Champion's League, I can't imagine the allure would be there to take a demotion in role to join Villa in the Championship.
They may have wanted him, Dave but they never hired him (again). Just thinking aloud but I do wonder whether Clarke may come round to thinking he's not best suited as a manager and his real skills are coaching. I like the fella, always thought he was too good for that mob down the road. Wouldn't want him as manager though.
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Hard for Fulham to hire him when he turned them down.
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Hard for Fulham to hire him when he turned them down.
Twice?
Forget that. I saw Dave's post about their approach 6 months ago and I recalled Clarke was sacked by Reading two weeks after being approached by Fulham, way back in December 2015. Fuck, in my mind, that seems so long ago, I must be living in 2017. Oh, and if you're wondering, we´re still holding out on appointing a new manager as the takeover is yet to be finalised.
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He turned them down in December. I can't remember the second time apart from media links after he was sacked by Reading.
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See edited post from the future.
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Yep I saw it after I posted.
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Edit: Ignore. Already being discussed in another thread.
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I quite like Di Matteo. Liked him as a player. Seems a good bloke. But is he what we need? I think longer term he'd be better than Pearson, but I think we need someone a bit more barnstorming to blitz through this squad, kick out the wasters and inspire a great deal of hard work. I think RDM would be better taking this job once we've been on an upturn. Perhaps to do something along the lines of what Ranieri did at Leicester (of course not to that level of success).
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I could live with us appointing Di Matteo.
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Not for me. Don't think there is any evidence of RDM being able to sort a bunch of mutinous bastards like we have. He might not be everyone's cup of tea but I think Pearson is exactly what we need at present.
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RDM just doesn't seem hard enough for this squad. Hope the decision makers aren't going to fuck it up yet again! Pearson is the man for this situation, to sort the shirkers and lazy wasters.
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Not sold on him purely due to Albiom fans saying he got the bit for never being there. Always in London etc and was pretty half arsed.
His championship winning side was nowhere near as good as the one Pearson built either. The year he won it with West Brom, Leicester were relegated.
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Not sold on him purely due to Albiom fans saying he got the bit for never being there. Always in London etc and was pretty half arsed.
His championship winning side was nowhere near as good as the one Pearson built either. The year he won it with West Brom, Leicester were relegated.
My nearest club is MK Dons and people who work for the club (well the two I know) said exactly the same, he was very lazy
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Not sold on him purely due to Albiom fans saying he got the bit for never being there. Always in London etc and was pretty half arsed.
His championship winning side was nowhere near as good as the one Pearson built either. The year he won it with West Brom, Leicester were relegated.
I don't know why he was in London, he lived in Leamington at the time. Not seen him for about eighteen months though.
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I will present Match Of The Day in my underpants if Roberto Di Matteo gets Aston Villa back in the Premier League by May 2018.
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This could be entertaining !
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Agree that he is lazy and arrogant. I personally don't like him. Moyes, Rodgers, now that Swansea don't want him, or Pearson for me.
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Nigel over him any day. I want somebody to kick arse.
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It seems a bit weird to me that Villa being successful takes a lower priority for some people than violent retribution being rained down upon the current squad.
Each to their own.
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There was a suggestion that part of the reason he was ditched by Olbiyun was because he was touting himself for other jobs.
It depends on what our strategy (ha!) is. If it is all about getting back up as soon as, and to hell with year two or three, he might be fine for that.
If we're looking to rebuild from top to bottom, he does't strike me as someone who would necessarily buy into a long term project.
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If we're looking to rebuild from top to bottom, he does't strike me as someone who would necessarily buy into a long term project.
Is that really a problem though?
I'd quite happily follow the Adkins - Pochettino - Koeman route over the next five years.
It's why the important thing that we need to get right isn't necessarily the manager, it's the person choosing the manager.
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If we're looking to rebuild from top to bottom, he does't strike me as someone who would necessarily buy into a long term project.
Is that really a problem though?
I'd quite happily follow the Adkins - Pochettino - Koeman route over the next five years.
It's why the important thing that we need to get right isn't necessarily the manager, it's the person choosing the manager.
I'd happily see someone take us up, consolidate and then appoint someone else, even if it appeared harsh. If the decision is taken sensibly and with a bit of nous, then the club progresses. For me though, our first step needs someone a bit fiery. Someone who will instantly demand and command respect from his squad. Pearson strikes me as that (despite the lunacy). Despite all the Ostrich nonsense and poor PR skills, his former players almost always speak well of him. I think he could set something in place that may perhaps then suit a degree more subtlety that you may get from a Di Matteo.
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Not too sure what to make of it possibly being Di Matteo. It does have a slight Remi Garde feel to it. Young coach, decent reputation previously, been out of work for a while etc. However, it doesn't feel like a manager Little or Hollis would have lined up which makes it more interesting than anything.
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Can see them running all over little Dimmie
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Really underwhelming if true. The wrong type of appointment at this time.
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RDM has spent 7 months in football management, since being released by Chelsea in November 2012.
No thanks.
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The takeover is imminent & Frank De Boer has just left his role as head coach at Ajax.........
If only eh?
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i Know its been said to death but quote from the BBC about Sunderlands match last night:
"Sunderland can also credit their survival in part to the signings Allardyce made in January."
So they were dead and buried, so were we but spent nothing and got nothing... So frustrating.
If we don't back our manager next season it'll be the same result for us... nothing!!
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I think Rodgers fell apart at Liverpool because he felt the pressure to really attack like a maniac all the time, which went against his natural instincts. Say what you like about him, but he has clear ideas about how to play the game and could bring us some coherence (and suit our players as well).
I suspect Brendan was a "right place, right time" chancer.
Let's not forget, this is the man who got tactically outwitted by Lambert more than once, and put together one of the biggest tactical shambles we've witnessed in recent years against us in the FAC semi final.
Tactical shambles? So it wasn't down to us playing the best that we have for many years?
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When Di Matteo was in charge at Chelsea, weren't there all sorts of stories about players running the club? Terry, Drogba etc? Not sure that's the best thing for us at the moment. Aren't we currently trying to wrestle the power away from the players at Villa?
Pearson for me.
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I'd be underwhelmed and worried if it turns out to be Di Matteo. Think we need someone like Pearson for a couple of seasons to steady the ship and install some discipline. Some talk of him going to Middlesbrough in the unlikely event of them binning Karanka but can't see that happening any time soon
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I think Rodgers fell apart at Liverpool because he felt the pressure to really attack like a maniac all the time, which went against his natural instincts. Say what you like about him, but he has clear ideas about how to play the game and could bring us some coherence (and suit our players as well).
I suspect Brendan was a "right place, right time" chancer.
Let's not forget, this is the man who got tactically outwitted by Lambert more than once, and put together one of the biggest tactical shambles we've witnessed in recent years against us in the FAC semi final.
Tactical shambles? So it wasn't down to us playing the best that we have for many years?
It was both, but Rodgers got it really wrong too.
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I'd much prefer Pearson to Di Matteo and I'm no fan of Pearson. Di Matteo is a bit foreign sounding and having listened to the experts the only way any club ever gets out of the Championship is by hiring British managers.
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I know it's six years ago now, and the Championship is apparently a lot tougher these days, but it has to be encouraging that Di Matteo did get Albion promoted quite comfortably, and with a strong goalscoring record, even without a prolific striker. That surely speaks to his ability to form an effective attacking gameplan at Championship level, which I think is what we'll have to rely on if we're any chances at promotion.
I get the point about us maybe needing someone with a sense of authority about him, but surely the apparent troublemakers are getting ditched this summer anyway?
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Oh sure, but Rodgers' main way of defending was playing keepball, which the Liverpool fans disliked early on because they saw it as overcautious. To compensate, Rodgers went to that insane attacking diamond system which got them to second, but only because of Luis Suarez - without him it fell apart, leaving them with the worst of both worlds.
relatively short memories then the scousers- didn't their strongest most successful period happen when they employed keep-ball tactics. I remember watching them as a kid knocking it around for minutes at a time, back to Clemence...rolled out again...then repeat.
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Oh sure, but Rodgers' main way of defending was playing keepball, which the Liverpool fans disliked early on because they saw it as overcautious. To compensate, Rodgers went to that insane attacking diamond system which got them to second, but only because of Luis Suarez - without him it fell apart, leaving them with the worst of both worlds.
relatively short memories then the scousers- didn't their strongest most successful period happen when they employed keep-ball tactics. I remember watching them as a kid knocking it around for minutes at a time, back to Clemence...rolled out again...then repeat.
Pass & move it's the Liverpool groove.
How you described Liverpool playing is exactly how a remember them, albeit with Crazy leg Grobbs in goal. They'd go one up and then just pas it around between the goaly and defence, even on goal kicks.
I'm sure they are the main reason for the back pass rull introduction
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Oh sure, but Rodgers' main way of defending was playing keepball, which the Liverpool fans disliked early on because they saw it as overcautious. To compensate, Rodgers went to that insane attacking diamond system which got them to second, but only because of Luis Suarez - without him it fell apart, leaving them with the worst of both worlds.
relatively short memories then the scousers- didn't their strongest most successful period happen when they employed keep-ball tactics. I remember watching them as a kid knocking it around for minutes at a time, back to Clemence...rolled out again...then repeat.
Pass & move it's the Liverpool groove.
How you described Liverpool playing is exactly how a remember them, albeit with Crazy leg Grobbs in goal. They'd go one up and then just pas it around between the goaly and defence, even on goal kicks.
I'm sure they are the main reason for the back pass rull introduction
Everton were the prime exponents of passing to the goal keeper. There was even a widespread chant "Pass the ball back, Everton".
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Oh right, pesky scallys!
Thank McGrath for the back pass rule, could you imagine Barcelona without it?!
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Martinez now very much available....again.
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Martinez now very much available....again.
We weren't good enough for him (or Whelan) before. Fuck him.
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Martinez now very much available....again.
We weren't good enough for him (or Whelan) before. Fuck him.
100% this
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Martinez now very much available....again.
We weren't good enough for him (or Whelan) before. Fuck him.
100% this
Well I've never heard Martinez say Villa weren't good enough for him. I suspect what is more likely is that he didn't want to work under the restraints that Lerner had placed on the club, which given the subsequent events that have transpired is pretty understandable. I wouldn't tar Martinez with what Whelan says either. I'd consider him as an option.
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Martinez now very much available....again.
We weren't good enough for him (or Whelan) before. Fuck him.
100% this
I'd generally say the same but on the flip side has lower league promotion experience as well as a better than average Premiership record. Were it not for his previous shun, you might say he ticks the boxes.
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Martinez now very much available....again.
We weren't good enough for him (or Whelan) before. Fuck him.
100% this
I'd generally say the same but on the flip side has lower league promotion experience as well as a better than average Premiership record. Were it not for his previous shun, you might say he ticks the boxes.
I still think his shun was to do with the restrictions Lerner had in place, which to be honest looks pretty sensible.
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Judging by the way Everton have defended of late, Martinez (and his defensive coaches) are ones to avoid. We know all too well about the 'sieve' method of defending. That's even before the shot-shy form of attack is addressed.
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Martinez did well at Swansea and had them playing some good football. He was pretty shit at Wigan - 3 seasons circling the plug hole then dropping in the 4th season. He did win them the FA Cup though. And I think he's done OK at Everton. As someone who could get us back up and keep us there I wouldn't be too averse to getting him.
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Martinez has failed. Time and again. No.
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Martinez did well at Swansea and had them playing some good football. He was pretty shit at Wigan - 3 seasons circling the plug hole then dropping in the 4th season. He did win them the FA Cup though. And I think he's done OK at Everton. As someone who could get us back up and keep us there I wouldn't be too averse to getting him.
Martinez has failed. Time and again. No.
That's a bit harsh, what exactly were the expectations of Wigan when he was there? I'd imagine fight bravely against the drop. They managed that pretty well and won the FA Cup as well. He hasn't had a great time this season at Everton, but he did alright last year. He also did pretty decently with Swansea.
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Martinez did well at Swansea and had them playing some good football. He was pretty shit at Wigan - 3 seasons circling the plug hole then dropping in the 4th season. He did win them the FA Cup though. And I think he's done OK at Everton. As someone who could get us back up and keep us there I wouldn't be too averse to getting him.
Martinez has failed. Time and again. No.
That's a bit harsh, what exactly were the expectations of Wigan when he was there? I'd imagine fight bravely against the drop. They managed that pretty well and won the FA Cup as well. He hasn't had a great time this season at Everton, but he did alright last year. He also did pretty decently with Swansea.
he was someone I wanted here. Bit having looked back at his record I've changed my mind. His team's are dreadful at keeping clean sheets.
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Martinez lists amongst his many 'failings' the winning of that which we've coveted most for fifty years.
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Martinez lists amongst his many 'failings' the winning of that which we've coveted most for fifty years.
You're right, of course, but the FA Cup can prove to be a bit of a lottery - even we got to the final last season.
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Martinez would be an absolutely diabolical appointment. He's just a terrible manager.
Whelan was very good at "bigging" Martinez up and EFC fell for it big time. People hail what he did at Wigan, but he actually had some pretty good players there. Also compared with what "smaller" teams like Leicester, Bournemouth and Watford have achieved this season, his "achievements" are really nothing to write home about.
Sure, there were a golden few months at Everton when his overly attacking football blended well with the defensive side that Moyes had created. Moyes didn't dare to add flair to his side at the expense of defensive strength and when Martinez did this, it all clicked, but as with all his teams, EFC this season have all shown extreme defensive frailties despite having such wonderfully gifted players. So for a while, he got away with it, but this season, he's been found out again.
Look at that Everton side. Had Moyes stayed, he'd have had them top four or even top this season. I'd go as far as to say that out of all the teams, Everton have had the most disappointing season, after us of course!
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well if you count finishing in 12th or thereabouts and remaining part of the PL with all the attendant riches that come with it disappointing, then I'd gladly swap places with them
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Martinez would be an absolutely diabolical appointment. He's just a terrible manager.
Whelan was very good at "bigging" Martinez up and EFC fell for it big time. People hail what he did at Wigan, but he actually had some pretty good players there. Also compared with what "smaller" teams like Leicester, Bournemouth and Watford have achieved this season, his "achievements" are really nothing to write home about.
Sure, there were a golden few months at Everton when his overly attacking football blended well with the defensive side that Moyes had created. Moyes didn't dare to add flair to his side at the expense of defensive strength and when Martinez did this, it all clicked, but as with all his teams, EFC this season have all shown extreme defensive frailties despite having such wonderfully gifted players. So for a while, he got away with it, but this season, he's been found out again.
Look at that Everton side. Had Moyes stayed, he'd have had them top four or even top this season. I'd go as far as to say that out of all the teams, Everton have had the most disappointing season, after us of course!
I think you're drastically overrating Everton's squad. Okay, Lukaku's a top player, but looking at the attacking players behind him, a lot of them are arguably horribly erratic; they have a bunch of runners without creativity in midfield; and from their defenders, Stones and Funes Mori still have a lot to develop while Baines and Jagielka are past it.
As for Wigan, what "pretty good players" did he have there? Looking through their squads for their final two seasons under Martinez, I think Al-Habsi, McCarthy and Diame were alright, Moses was a pretty decent winger, Kone a useful goalscorer, but otherwise, pretty much a truckload of shit.
For the record, I don't want him here but I don't think it's necessary to discount what he did at Wigan, and exaggerate his failure at Everton.
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I do hope it is not Di Matteo or Martinez. Di Matteo spent most of his time smoking at the Baggies and missed training on numerous occasions so I have been told. Martinez is too weak to deal with our lot.I hope its Pearson or Moyes.
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Di Matteo would be a disaster imo I really hope it's Pearson
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He's managed to take two solid if unspectacular teams, get them playing less direct, and also get them halfway down the league from where they were.
Not for me thanks.
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Just imagine the meltdown if Martinez' first act was to hand N'Zogbia a new contract!
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I've always thought Martinez was slimy bugger - who has the aire of a snake oil salesman, so it hardly comes as a shock to hear that Everton have given him the big E. Judging by our club's magnificent track record of shite managerial appointments, it wouldn't surprise me if he rocked up at VP. A club apparently soon-to-be-owned (effectively) by the Chinese Govt, with Damien friggin' Comolli as DOF.
Triffick.
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Whenever I see Di Matteo I always think that he could have been a character in PaRappa The Rapper. Only a certain age group will get this.
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I always think he looks like a baked bean or an egg with a face drawn on.
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Oh right, pesky scallys!
Thank McGrath for the back pass rule, could you imagine Barcelona without it?!
The introduction of the back pass rule really impacted on some careers. Des Walker being a prime example.
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Whenever I see Di Matteo I always think that he could have been a character in PaRappa The Rapper. Only a certain age group will get this.
Whereas Pearson looks like a character from Toejam and Earl.
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Martinez would be an absolutely diabolical appointment. He's just a terrible manager.
Whelan was very good at "bigging" Martinez up and EFC fell for it big time. People hail what he did at Wigan, but he actually had some pretty good players there. Also compared with what "smaller" teams like Leicester, Bournemouth and Watford have achieved this season, his "achievements" are really nothing to write home about.
Sure, there were a golden few months at Everton when his overly attacking football blended well with the defensive side that Moyes had created. Moyes didn't dare to add flair to his side at the expense of defensive strength and when Martinez did this, it all clicked, but as with all his teams, EFC this season have all shown extreme defensive frailties despite having such wonderfully gifted players. So for a while, he got away with it, but this season, he's been found out again.
Look at that Everton side. Had Moyes stayed, he'd have had them top four or even top this season. I'd go as far as to say that out of all the teams, Everton have had the most disappointing season, after us of course!
I think you're drastically overrating Everton's squad. Okay, Lukaku's a top player, but looking at the attacking players behind him, a lot of them are arguably horribly erratic; they have a bunch of runners without creativity in midfield; and from their defenders, Stones and Funes Mori still have a lot to develop while Baines and Jagielka are past it.
As for Wigan, what "pretty good players" did he have there? Looking through their squads for their final two seasons under Martinez, I think Al-Habsi, McCarthy and Diame were alright, Moses was a pretty decent winger, Kone a useful goalscorer, but otherwise, pretty much a truckload of shit.
For the record, I don't want him here but I don't think it's necessary to discount what he did at Wigan, and exaggerate his failure at Everton.
Apart from the cup win (which I appreciate is a pretty huge "apart from"), isn't what he did at Wigan "relegate a side that Steve Bruce and Paul Jewell kept up fairly comfortably"?
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Hold on....remember Dave Whelan the ex-Wigan chairman persuaded Martinez not to take the Villa manager's job a few years ago? You know, Dave said he was destined for great things at a much bigger club than Villa.....how things change!
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Hold on....remember Dave Whelan the ex-Wigan chairman persuaded Martinez not to take the Villa manager's job a few years ago? You know, Dave said he was destined for great things at a much bigger club than Villa.....how things change!
He was destined for Barcelona, I recall..
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Martinez now very much available....again.
We weren't good enough for him (or Whelan) before. Fuck him.
100% this
and again
i wonder if kenwright still has martinezs plan to get them in the champions league
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Oscar Garcia.
/taps nose
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Oscar Garcia.
/taps nose
ooh
*heads to oddschecker*
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He's supposedly on our list of potential targets. So don't bet you house!
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Where did you hear that?
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Mate of a mate type thing yesterday. Far from gospel, but the nose tap will look ace if it turns out to be him!
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someone has probably put a 50 quid bet on
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That's probably enough to have the rumours start back up about Red Bull buying us.
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That's probably enough to have the rumours start back up about Red Bull buying us.
What he said - cue several pages of posts - though better that than dodgy racial puns.
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I reckon this story will have wings!
/runs
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Oscar Garcia.
/taps nose
ooh
*heads to oddschecker*
*googles him*
He's foreign, no chance.
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I think Martinez is a non-starter but what really worries me is that Nigel Adkins is now available and it wouldn't surprise me if our fools would go for him. Very scary. I'm also sure that a manager with "championship experience" is not essential to get us out of there. I hope we show some imagination and employ a manager who will rebuild playing football, not one who is employed cos he is likely to beat the shit out of our current wasters
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Everton have conceded more goals in the closing minutes of first and second halves more often than us this season.
I'm out.
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Oscar Garcia.
/taps nose
ooh
*heads to oddschecker*
I can imagine Brian Little saying his name and it sounding convincing, so on that basis he's a strong contender in my eyes.
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Pearson all day long. Stop messing around Hollis!
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That's probably enough to have the rumours start back up about Red Bull buying us.
The Grateful Thread
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Pearson all day long. Stop messing around Hollis!
If Pearson is the choice, keep messing about for as long as possible please. Preferably until after he's employed elsewhere.
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I was very anti Pearson, mainly because he's a twat, but the more time runs on and the more other candidates get mooted, the more I think he's the right man for the current predicament.
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Since when did having nice guys as our manager ever work?
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Since when did having nice guys as our manager ever work?
1982 and 1996 for a start.
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Since when did having nice guys as our manager ever work?
It's worked more times than the number of times employing mediocre managers has ever worked for us.
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Since when did having nice guys as our manager ever work?
The last time we were relegated
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Nice and bastard aren't really types of qualification. People saying he'll be bad because he's a psycho have no more evidence than those saying he'll be good because he's a psycho. It's all down to the football, and Pearson's record strikes me as okay but not spectacular.
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I want someone a cross between Ron Saunders and Atkinson ;)
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Disagree a little bit. I think personality is vitally important at this stage. Given how deeply dysfunctional we are at all levels, we as a club are uniquely equipped to chew up any manager with less than flameproof self confidence. Even Sherwood ended up an arm waving loon. I don't necessarily think that means a bully or door slammer but a big personality is arguably more important than tactical nous for our next manager.
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I want someone a cross between Ron Saunders and Atkinson ;)
A racist Jehova's Witness? If ye seek...etc
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Sherwood Would consider Aston Villa Return (http://www.beinsports.com/en/premier-league/video/sherwood-would-consider-aston-villa-return/257271)
(https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/02404656.jpg?quality=70&strip=all)
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Even Sherwood ended up an arm waving loon.
"Even Sherwood"?
I'm not sure that needs an "even". He was an arm-waving loon at Spurs. He was an arm-waving loon when he started at Villa. He was an arm-waving loon when he finished at Villa.
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Alright, my point is he came in as a media loving cocky upstart and looked devoid of confidence when he left a short time later.
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Alright, my point is he came in as a media loving cocky upstart and looked devoid of confidence when he left a short time later.
I don't think that really says much about the club, it just shows that people who are over-promoted on account of having a big mouth and gullible superiors tend to be found out pretty quickly. Sherwood being given the job isn't the first time that it's happened in the world and it's not going to be the last.
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Is Garcia any good?
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It doesn't matter. The managerial appointment won't happen until the takeover is done.
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Alright, my point is he came in as a media loving cocky upstart and looked devoid of confidence when he left a short time later.
I don't think that really says much about the club, it just shows that people who are over-promoted on account of having a big mouth and gullible superiors tend to be found out pretty quickly. Sherwood being given the job isn't the first time that it's happened in the world and it's not going to be the last.
What about garde then? I think the failure of all our recent managers is more about the club than their individual ability so we'll have to agree to disagree on that.
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However nice a manager might seem in public, they have to be in control and for the players to have the respect to realise that. I can only guess but I would bet that Ron Saunders, Ron Atkinson and Brian Little gave their share of bollockings out where they were warranted. Pearson has made mistakes regularly in the way he's conducted press conferences but whoever comes in has to deal with the current set of senior players that we have so that's going to take a strong personality right away.
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There's a difference between having a strong personality and being a psychopath.
Nobody ever says "that Fred West, he had a strong personality".
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Sherwood was a fucking twat
He was a twat before he joined us, and a twat when he left us.
A truly brainless appointment from Tom and his 'list of one'.
Is it any wonder we are where we are when we've been run by the sort of clueless moron who puts Tim Sherwood on a list of one?
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That Fred West, he had a strong personality.
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I stand corrected. Must be a more common phrase than I thought.
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Nigel.
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How about Paul Clement? Was doing alright at Derby, experienced coach, still youngish). That said they'd hit a small bumpy patch and he was given the flick but they weren't far off the top and had only lost 5 matches by February. Was there something more or was it an owner brainfart (he spouted some guff about "the Derby way" - always a sign of unrealistic expectations)?
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Pearson for me no doubt about it. Get him in asap!
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How about Paul Clement? Was doing alright at Derby, experienced coach, still youngish). That said they'd hit a small bumpy patch and he was given the flick but they weren't far off the top and had only lost 5 matches by February. Was there something more or was it an owner brainfart (he spouted some guff about "the Derby way" - always a sign of unrealistic expectations)?
He's coached at the highest level but lacks management experience so that would need to be covered somehow. Maybe some sort of Clement/Little combination could work, getting the best out of both individuals.
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Nigel.
Yes, can I help you?
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Fred West was a rubbish builder.
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It doesn't matter. The managerial appointment won't happen until the takeover is done.
this
so lets hope it does happen
and soon
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Martin Oneill is stalling signing another ireland contract. Says he may go to a club....
We should go for him - top manager.....
.... Ducks for cover
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Martin Oneill is stalling signing another ireland contract. Says he may go to a club....
We should go for him - top manager.....
.... Ducks for cover
Last orders at the bar maigrait
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is it true that Fred West was a Vila fan?
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Fred West was a rubbish builder.
When they demolished his house the BBC reported it as "the house of Gloucester builder Fred West." I am not sure his profession is what most people remember him for.
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Fred West was a rubbish builder.
When they demolished his house the BBC reported it as "the house of Gloucester builder Fred West." I am not sure his profession is what most people remember him for.
Being from Gloucester?
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I see the ex Villa legend I mean leg end, David Unsworth is taking charge of Everton for their last match. Now that's somebody nobody has mentioned, I wonder why!
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I see the ex Villa legend I mean leg end, David Unsworth is taking charge of Everton for their last match. Now that's somebody nobody has mentioned, I wonder why!
Mainly because he never hung around long enough to allow the smell of his farts to disappear. I don't even consider him to be an ex-Villa player, even though the records say he was.
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Flores released by Watford.
He'd be good, yeah?
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Flores released by Watford.
He'd be good, yeah?
Doesn't sound very British. No chance in the Championship.
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I think the fact that we're not able to appoint a manager at the moment might be a blessing in disguise. Suddenly the incredibly shallow pool, which smelt distinctly of child's urine and Nigel Pearson, is getting a bit bigger. Wait another week or so and maybe more managers, people like Hughton, will be looking to move on. The whole picture will become clearer (including our own situation) and we might get the chance to appoint someone befitting of the role as the manager of Aston Villa. It's frustrating not knowing what is going on, but maybe this is all for the best.
Things are looking up! haven't been this optimistic since we appointed Remi!
(Oh...)
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Flores released by Watford.
He'd be good, yeah?
Based on what he did for Watford he'd be great until January then we'd be after another
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Flores released by Watford.
He'd be good, yeah?
Based on what he did for Watford he'd be great until January then we'd be after another
He is very defensive minded, using CBs at RB and not using any width, so whilst he has done a great job at Watford, and seems a decent bloke, he no where near the top of my list. That said, his tactics may have been as a consequence of Watford's position rather than in his DNA. What was his Althletico team like?
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Spanish?
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Flores released by Watford.
He'd be good, yeah?
Based on what he did for Watford he'd be great until January then we'd be after another
He is very defensive minded, using CBs at RB and not using any width, so whilst he has done a great job at Watford, and seems a decent bloke, he no where near the top of my list. That said, his tactics may have been as a consequence of Watford's position rather than in his DNA. What was his Althletico team like?
A fairly attacking 4-4-2, with proper wingers and Forlan dropping to link Aguero to the midfield.
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Flores released by Watford.
He'd be good, yeah?
Based on what he did for Watford he'd be great until January then we'd be after another
He is very defensive minded, using CBs at RB and not using any width, so whilst he has done a great job at Watford, and seems a decent bloke, he no where near the top of my list. That said, his tactics may have been as a consequence of Watford's position rather than in his DNA. What was his Althletico team like?
A fairly attacking 4-4-2, with proper wingers and Forlan dropping to link Aguero to the midfield.
That sounds like absolute porn right now. Get him in....
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Forlan and Aguerro. Rubbish front 2. No wonder he struggled.
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You just know it will be somebody very uninspiring.
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I am still sticking by my earlier tip off that if a particular set of circumstances come to fruition our next manager will be Simon Grayson. Hows that for uninspiring!
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I am still sticking by my earlier tip off that if a particular set of circumstances come to fruition our next manager will be Simon Grayson. Hows that for uninspiring!
If we are to go for someone uninspiring, I wouldn't mind Grayson. Done a good job wherever he's been.
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I don't neccessarily want inspiring. Rather someone we have confidence can do the job well and hopefully play good football. Newcastle hired Benitez, Sunderland hired Allardyce. Newcastle won the inspiring hire battle. They also lost their place in the PL.
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I think we need three things:
1. A Director of Football type role, with whoever fills it being in a position to shift out all the shit players we have and come up with a club-wide football system, but working closely with the first team manager next season.
2. A new manager with proven credentials at Premier/ endsleigh league level, who will be willing and more importantly, keen to work with whoever takes the role outlined above
3. A new coaching staff who can implement whatever system the new first team manager and DoF decide is the best way forward and drag the best out of the players at all levels left over from the cull
That's the only way I can see us mounting a challenge on the championship and maintaining our PL status if we do miraculously go straight back up.
I'd also chuck in a specialist fitness / performance coach and; I know it sounds wanky, but a sports psychologist too, if the money is there. Both would be part of the wider management team.
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I don't neccessarily want inspiring. Rather someone we have confidence can do the job well and hopefully play good football. Newcastle hired Benitez, Sunderland hired Allardyce. Newcastle won the inspiring hire battle. They also lost their place in the PL.
If Benitez had been appointed when Allardyce was don't you think Newcastle would have won that particular race?
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I want Flores. I've wanted him as our manager since MON left. Get it done Villa!
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Flores is very laid back, a la Di Matteo. I think we need someone with a bigger personality, who won't get walked all over by Lescott, Gabby et al. because let's be honest, we aren't going to shift all the wasters in one summer.
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My healthy bet on Southgate at 20-1 still sits comfortably under the clock on my mantelpiece.
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I am still thinking it might be Steve Bruce. Not that I necessarily want him. The pool is getting bigger though and Villa are right not to rush in. Rodgers, Martinez, Pellegrini, Mourinho, Flores, Pearson et al, not all of them will get a job when they run around the chairs and the music stops. We'll soon be testing out the ambition of our new owners (I hope).
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I want Flores. I've wanted him as our manager since MON left. Get it done Villa!
I posted a while back that most people seemed content with us fishing in the pond of the sacked and the long-term unemployed. Fuck that, get the best we possibly can, whoever and from wherever it may be.
Ain't gonna happen though, is it.
Edit; just seen that he'll be walking away, but you get my point.
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Flores would be more than welcome for me
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Martin Oneill is stalling signing another ireland contract. Says he may go to a club....
We should go for him - top manager.....
.... Ducks for cover
Wouldnt surprise me at all if he wanted the job particularly if Lerner leaves.
Cant see him heading to Newcastle given he never bothered moving up to the north east when he was at Sunderland.
Ireland have previous little coming through from underage or the diaspora overseas so I firmly expect MON to jump at the first decent club offer he gets post the Euros.
Roy Keane seems to think he will get a club management gig this summer too, though Id say he may have to settle for taking over from MON post Euros
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I thought Flores would be an excellent choice, but apparently there were some problems with discipline at Watford. That's one thing we have to get right if we're to progress.
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Over 500 votes and the only one without a single vote next to his name is Schteeve.
Absolutely nailed on then.
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My healthy bet on Southgate at 20-1 still sits comfortably under the clock on my mantelpiece.
He's available at 50-1 now if you want to go back in.
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There are a few managers that have suddenly became available in recent days that could do a good job at Villa Park but it's pointless to get excited or even think about who to appoint until ownership is settled...
Who knows what prospective owners are thinking and what conditions they may place on any manager coming into Villa Park...
Until ownership is settled were a rudderless ship...
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Flores would be more than welcome for me
me too
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Flores would be more than welcome for me
me too
great record in the championship ? , watford have gone downhill the last few months
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Flores would be more than welcome for me
me too
I'd prefer to wait until August. Then we can get Flores in the window.
Taxi!
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Fred West was a rubbish builder.
When they demolished his house the BBC reported it as "the house of Gloucester builder Fred West." I am not sure his profession is what most people remember him for.
they found something behind a bricked up fireplace, i think it was an old flame
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I love this place. A thread about possibly our most important managerial appointment in decades involves Fred West. Brilliant.
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his cremation service took place in a church a few miles from where we live as no other church (allegedly) would conduct the service
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his cremation service took place in a church a few miles from where we live as no other church (allegedly) would conduct the service
was rosemary at the service
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Fred West was a rubbish builder.
When they demolished his house the BBC reported it as "the house of Gloucester builder Fred West." I am not sure his profession is what most people remember him for.
they found something behind a bricked up fireplace, i think it was an old flame
The body they found under the stairs was his step-daughter.
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conman - I can't remember if his wife was there, but I'm also pretty sure Harold Shipman's service also took place at the same church and for the same reason
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conman - I can't remember if his wife was there, but I'm also pretty sure Harold Shipman's service also took place at the same church and for the same reason
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12127493._apos_Some_tears_apos__from_four_at_Frederick_West_cremation/
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Many moons ago my working life started with a glazing company. Whilst I was never going to spend my days in a van the apprenticeship I was on meant you had to do a spell in all parts of the business so I had a few months of actually doing the glazing job.
Our patch was Gloucestershire with a bit of Worcestershire and Wiltshire thrown in. Anyhow, one day we had a job in Cromwell Street.
The initial visit was to make safe a broken window and we went back a week later to shove a new double glazed unit in. I got talking to the home owner (we were 3 doors down from the House of Horrors).
He had lived there for years and recounted a tale where Fred the builder was skint one summer and did a load of gardening jobs for local residents. As the houses were old many had wells in the back garden and he filled them in.
He was either winding me up or has a scoop that the rozzers didn't investigate.
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On the same theme of the macabre on the A14/M11 split in our neck of the woods stands what is called locally The Crem. There is a long lay by for truckers by the crematorium which was packed with nosey ghouls to watch Myra Hindley's smoke come out of the chimney. It is said they have a reunion there on the anniversary.
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Fred West was a rubbish builder.
When they demolished his house the BBC reported it as "the house of Gloucester builder Fred West." I am not sure his profession is what most people remember him for.
they found something behind a bricked up fireplace, i think it was an old flame
The body they found under the stairs was his step-daughter.
quality
he used to make his one daughter stand in the middle of a five a side goal in the garden
annettee
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so she was the lucky one
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It is said that when the police dug up the garden at 10 Rillington Place all they found was a bucket with a bottom in it.
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Flores would be nice now Watford's board have chucked him. Plays nice attractive football. Smart man.
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Flores would be nice now Watford's board have chucked him. Plays nice attractive football. Smart man.
Not so sure myself. Natty dresser but many other questions unanswered.
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Fred West was a rubbish builder.
When they demolished his house the BBC reported it as "the house of Gloucester builder Fred West." I am not sure his profession is what most people remember him for.
Being from Gloucester?
I'm from Gloucester. Fred West was from Herefordshire
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Flores would be nice now Watford's board have chucked him. Plays nice attractive football. Smart man.
I would be all for that.
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Flores would be nice now Watford's board have chucked him. Plays nice attractive football. Smart man.
Listened to Watford fans on talk sport who think he gave up as soon as they got enough points for safety. He took a siesta! Not driven enough for the job ahead at Villa. Going back to Spain, apparently touted himself for jobs over there since before Christmas. No, from me.
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Flores would be nice now Watford's board have chucked him. Plays nice attractive football. Smart man.
Listened to Watford fans on talk sport who think he gave up as soon as they got enough points for safety. He took a siesta! Not driven enough for the job ahead at Villa. Going back to Spain, apparently touted himself for jobs over there since before Christmas. No, from me.
Tend to agree and he has no experience of the championship ad what is required
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Flores would be nice now Watford's board have chucked him. Plays nice attractive football. Smart man.
I would be all for that.
Jesus Christ , we need a manager to get us promotion from what is known as the old div 2 and we wont do it with a nice man that play nice football like this florres bloke who has never managed a team in the championship and who the watford fans will be glad to see the back of because watford have been shit since christmas
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Flores would be nice now Watford's board have chucked him. Plays nice attractive football. Smart man.
Listened to Watford fans on talk sport who think he gave up as soon as they got enough points for safety. He took a siesta! Not driven enough for the job ahead at Villa. Going back to Spain, apparently touted himself for jobs over there since before Christmas. No, from me.
There was a Watford fan on the guardian football podcast and he was, and suggested most the fans, had been critical of Flores. Too defensive and plays too many players out of position, primarily centre-backs at full back and centre midfielders as wingers. The chap said that he wouldn't use the flair players in the squad, including an expensive signing in january, despite being pretty much safe.
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is it true that Fred West was a Vila fan?
No he was a Villa fan, stood on the witton end, but refused to go when they put the admission fee up to 2 quid
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is it true that Fred West was a Vila fan?
No he was a Villa fan, stood on the witton end, but refused to go when they put the admission fee up to 2 quid
Is this a wind up?
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is it true that Fred West was a Vila fan?
No he was a Villa fan, stood on the witton end, but refused to go when they put the admission fee up to 2 quid
Is this a wind up?
Concrete Fred
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Apparently West would always be pointing.
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Many moons ago my working life started with a glazing company. Whilst I was never going to spend my days in a van the apprenticeship I was on meant you had to do a spell in all parts of the business so I had a few months of actually doing the glazing job.
Our patch was Gloucestershire with a bit of Worcestershire and Wiltshire thrown in. Anyhow, one day we had a job in Cromwell Street.
The initial visit was to make safe a broken window and we went back a week later to shove a new double glazed unit in. I got talking to the home owner (we were 3 doors down from the House of Horrors).
He had lived there for years and recounted a tale where Fred the builder was skint one summer and did a load of gardening jobs for local residents. As the houses were old many had wells in the back garden and he filled them in.
He was either winding me up or has a scoop that the rozzers didn't investigate.
Well, well, well....
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Apparently West would always be pointing.
He was a hardcore supporter
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He would have been bricking it this season.
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Get him on the board. He could be the foundation of future success.
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And the punathon ends here.
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Many moons ago my working life started with a glazing company. Whilst I was never going to spend my days in a van the apprenticeship I was on meant you had to do a spell in all parts of the business so I had a few months of actually doing the glazing job.
Our patch was Gloucestershire with a bit of Worcestershire and Wiltshire thrown in. Anyhow, one day we had a job in Cromwell Street.
The initial visit was to make safe a broken window and we went back a week later to shove a new double glazed unit in. I got talking to the home owner (we were 3 doors down from the House of Horrors).
He had lived there for years and recounted a tale where Fred the builder was skint one summer and did a load of gardening jobs for local residents. As the houses were old many had wells in the back garden and he filled them in.
He was either winding me up or has a scoop that the rozzers didn't investigate.
Well, well, well....
There is an excellent book about the case called 'Happy Like Murderers' and basically Fred was closer to inanimate objects than he was to any human being. Cromwell Street was a constant building site, full of lean-tos and extensions, made up of stuff he'd steal from work and roundabout. It's fair to say that even without the obvious, he was a strange bloke.
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Thanks Let's get back to pages of calling Randy Lerner a c*nt.
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agreed, but as a final post on this from me Viz ran a strip a few years later called Harold & Fred (They Make Ladies Dead) which as you can image was either very funny or in appalling bad taste.
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Many moons ago my working life started with a glazing company. Whilst I was never going to spend my days in a van the apprenticeship I was on meant you had to do a spell in all parts of the business so I had a few months of actually doing the glazing job.
Our patch was Gloucestershire with a bit of Worcestershire and Wiltshire thrown in. Anyhow, one day we had a job in Cromwell Street.
The initial visit was to make safe a broken window and we went back a week later to shove a new double glazed unit in. I got talking to the home owner (we were 3 doors down from the House of Horrors).
He had lived there for years and recounted a tale where Fred the builder was skint one summer and did a load of gardening jobs for local residents. As the houses were old many had wells in the back garden and he filled them in.
He was either winding me up or has a scoop that the rozzers didn't investigate.
Well, well, well....
There is an excellent book about the case called 'Happy Like Murderers' and basically Fred was closer to inanimate objects than he was to any human being. Cromwell Street was a constant building site, full of lean-tos and extensions, made up of stuff he'd steal from work and roundabout. It's fair to say that even without the obvious, he was a strange bloke.
I read that a long time ago. I still have it. A good read.
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Many moons ago my working life started with a glazing company. Whilst I was never going to spend my days in a van the apprenticeship I was on meant you had to do a spell in all parts of the business so I had a few months of actually doing the glazing job.
Our patch was Gloucestershire with a bit of Worcestershire and Wiltshire thrown in. Anyhow, one day we had a job in Cromwell Street.
The initial visit was to make safe a broken window and we went back a week later to shove a new double glazed unit in. I got talking to the home owner (we were 3 doors down from the House of Horrors).
He had lived there for years and recounted a tale where Fred the builder was skint one summer and did a load of gardening jobs for local residents. As the houses were old many had wells in the back garden and he filled them in.
He was either winding me up or has a scoop that the rozzers didn't investigate.
Well, well, well....
There is an excellent book about the case called 'Happy Like Murderers' and basically Fred was closer to inanimate objects than he was to any human being. Cromwell Street was a constant building site, full of lean-tos and extensions, made up of stuff he'd steal from work and roundabout. It's fair to say that even without the obvious, he was a strange bloke.
I'm not very surprised at this revelation
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is it true that Fred West was a Vila fan?
No he was a Villa fan, stood on the witton end, but refused to go when they put the admission fee up to 2 quid
Is this a wind up?
Bobby Sands as well. Apparently he used to get stick from fellow inmates in H Block for being a Villa fan.
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Food for thought
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Fred West was a rubbish builder.
When they demolished his house the BBC reported it as "the house of Gloucester builder Fred West." I am not sure his profession is what most people remember him for.
Being from Gloucester?
I'm from Gloucester. Fred West was from Herefordshire
My condolences on being from Gloucester.
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I'd take Flores who leaving Watford. He understands the game and can adapt with British and foreign recruits.
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Flores would be nice now Watford's board have chucked him. Plays nice attractive football. Smart man.
Listened to Watford fans on talk sport who think he gave up as soon as they got enough points for safety. He took a siesta! Not driven enough for the job ahead at Villa. Going back to Spain, apparently touted himself for jobs over there since before Christmas. No, from me.
There was a Watford fan on the guardian football podcast and he was, and suggested most the fans, had been critical of Flores. Too defensive and plays too many players out of position, primarily centre-backs at full back and centre midfielders as wingers. The chap said that he wouldn't use the flair players in the squad, including an expensive signing in january, despite being pretty much safe.
El MON.
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is it true that Fred West was a Vila fan?
No he was a Villa fan, stood on the witton end, but refused to go when they put the admission fee up to 2 quid
Is this a wind up?
Bobby Sands as well. Apparently he used to get stick from fellow inmates in H Block for being a Villa fan.
And he died a few days after we on the league
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is it true that Fred West was a Vila fan?
No he was a Villa fan, stood on the witton end, but refused to go when they put the admission fee up to 2 quid
Is this a wind up?
Bobby Sands as well. Apparently he used to get stick from fellow inmates in H Block for being a Villa fan.
And he died a few days after we on the league
starved of success
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Fred West was a rubbish builder.
When they demolished his house the BBC reported it as "the house of Gloucester builder Fred West." I am not sure his profession is what most people remember him for.
Being from Gloucester?
I'm from Gloucester. Fred West was from Herefordshire
My condolences on being from Gloucester.
I am praying for him.
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Martinez wanted to change the Everton style of play after Moyes has drummed a particular style into them, over many years. No wonder it failed, although he did have a good couple of years or so to do it I suppose. Whilst the guy bores me to sleep, I think his style might actually get better use at Villa as we need a complete overhaul and Martinez can start from scratch. He had an existing squad at Everton and they struggled with him trying to play more cultured football. So, for that reason, I wouldn't mind Martinez coming in. I would prefer him to RDM for sure.
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having turned us down flat twice I wouldn't want him anywhere near the club, even in the mess we currently are. Fuck the fucker.
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The sun are saying we want pulis. I would not set foot in Villa park with him as manager. I want to start taking my lad regularly next season. I want him to enjoy it. Not be so bored he never goes back.
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It's all gone very quiet. Well more quiet. I can only assume that
a)They have their man and are just waiting for the formalities of finishing the season and letting Black leave with a bit of grace.
b)They're still waiting to see who loses their job in the summer before deciding
c)They scrubbed the list Bernstein gave them, and are now running around like headless chickens trying to find managers who will do exactly what they tell them for less money than our previous ones.
d)Lerner with his long running man U fixation is waiting for Mourinho to get the job so we can have Giggs
I hope its a) or b), but its more likely to be c) and d)
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The sun are saying we want pulis. I would not set foot in Villa park with him as manager. I want to start taking my lad regularly next season. I want him to enjoy it. Not be so bored he never goes back.
Fuck him right off negative twat
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The sun are saying we want pulis. I would not set foot in Villa park with him as manager. I want to start taking my lad regularly next season. I want him to enjoy it. Not be so bored he never goes back.
I'm just going to pretend I haven't seen that.
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The sun are saying we want pulis. I would not set foot in Villa park with him as manager. I want to start taking my lad regularly next season. I want him to enjoy it. Not be so bored he never goes back.
I'm just going to pretend I haven't seen that.
I just read that in the BBC gossip column. What a horrible way to start a Sunday with that in mind.
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The sun are saying we want pulis. I would not set foot in Villa park with him as manager
me either
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It's all gone very quiet. Well more quiet. I can only assume that
a)They have their man and are just waiting for the formalities of finishing the season and letting Black leave with a bit of grace.
b)They're still waiting to see who loses their job in the summer before deciding
c)They scrubbed the list Bernstein gave them, and are now running around like headless chickens trying to find managers who will do exactly what they tell them for less money than our previous ones.
d)Lerner with his long running man U fixation is waiting for Mourinho to get the job so we can have Giggs
I hope its a) or b), but its more likely to be c) and d)
Or e) Were about to be taken over and the new owners know exactly who they want and it will be announced when the takeover is complete ( Praying it's not Pulis as reported in the Sun)
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If Pulis was appointed the meltdown on the site would burn down to the earth's core.
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Add me to the list of people who would never go again to watch a Pulis team.
And I get paid to watch them!
I have been bored by how we play for 5 years
I may top myself I I had to endure that twat.
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If Pulis were sacked by Albion. He would only have to wait a few months to be employed by the first desperate side fighting relegation in the Premier, I very much doubt he would drop to the Championship Why would he ? He may be boring but he keeps teams up with ease.
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Pulis would get us back up, and stabilise us. Before we all fell asleep again. Two years and nothing more. Moyes or Rodgers for me. I could cope with Pearson or Martinez though.
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Anyone at Villa with a vague finger on the pulse of Villa's fans opinions would say appointing an ex-WBA manager with a style of play that would make Bobby Gould shudder, is probably not the best way to ensure everyone is united behind the team next season. In fact it will provoke the exact opposite.
It's going to happen isn't it?
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Please not Pulis. He'd probably get us back up, but in the worst way imaginable and our crowds would be low because the football would be crap. My Wife and her family, and a lot of my mates are Albion and they can't stand him. Well some of them like him as a bloke and how he conducts himself, but hate his style of play. Once he got us back up you know the highest he'd get us is mid table by playing worse football than McLeish.
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If its Pulis it wont be beach balls thrown from the stands it will be people sacrificing themselves.
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right now, I'd settle for anyone - Pulis included - who could get us back up first time of asking and then mid table.
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Here's an outside the box thought:
Arsen Wenger leaves Arsenal at the end of the season.
Could our new owners tempt him to build a team?
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Pulis would be an absolutely diabolical appointment. That better be idle paper gossip.
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Not for me, thanks all the same. It's the next logical step given his overwhelming obsession with all things Villa though.
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I think Big Sam gets a bad rap about his football sometimes. When his squad isn't set out to do so, he's not a hoofball merchant. Sunderland have played some reasonable stuff in the last few weeks. Bolton played some okay stuff. I thought he got treated a little harshly by West Ham too, they'd played some decent stuff in the first half of last season but the fans still couldn't wait to get him out.
But Tiny Penis? Well he's an abomination. I would have taken him at the beginning of the season because he would have kept us up. His football is horrendous but he grinds out results no matter how shit his players are. That's a pretty piss poor West Brom side he has. But they've been safe as houses really.
However we're down. The damage is done. Now is the time to rebuild and instil some kind of footballing philosophy in a league which is more forgiving on teams trying to do so. You can get away with mistakes and still fly through the Championship. Without breaking ourselves financially we can still throw our weight around a bit but the new set up has to be right. We can't do a Fulham.
Mortimer's view on Pearson was spot on. He knows what he wants from his players, how they're going to play, which players will suit that way of playing and he sets about doing that. That's the kind of manager we need, and Pearson is no great shakes, but we've had dire managers of late, or in Garde's case someone woefully unsuited to the job at hand (and then having his hands tied on top of that). Lambert kept buying players with no real idea of how he wanted to play or whether they'd fit, or indeed even end up good enough (in most cases...no). Sherwood came in and we had the Riley set up. Sherwood bought in his players. Riley bought in his players. The two didn't gel and neither man made what you could convincingly call a genuinely good signing. We had average at best on Riley's side, but indeed, if anything they failed to integrate even more than the drek that Timmeh bought. Again...fucking piss poor set up and delivery. And this does indeed need to change.
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It's all gone very quiet. Well more quiet. I can only assume that
a)They have their man and are just waiting for the formalities of finishing the season and letting Black leave with a bit of grace.
b)They're still waiting to see who loses their job in the summer before deciding
c)They scrubbed the list Bernstein gave them, and are now running around like headless chickens trying to find managers who will do exactly what they tell them for less money than our previous ones.
d)Lerner with his long running man U fixation is waiting for Mourinho to get the job so we can have Giggs
I hope its a) or b), but its more likely to be c) and d)
Or e) Were about to be taken over and the new owners know exactly who they want and it will be announced when the takeover is complete ( Praying it's not Pulis as reported in the Sun)
Do the Sun ever tell the truth?
I wouldn't know as I have refused to look at it since 1982 and their reporting on the match in Anderlect.
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Here's an outside the box thought:
Arsen Wenger leaves Arsenal at the end of the season.
Could our new owners tempt him to build a team?
never in a million years, sorry make that a billion
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Pulis or Di Matteo though. Pulis is a pinch your nose appointment. We need to get back up at all costs. But my preference is Hughton.
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Appointing a negative manager from our rivals. If only we'd done something similar before so we could heed the lesson.
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Jose Mourinho,or am i in the land of cuckoo's? ;D
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Watching Sean Dyche on Sky he comes over very well and lives in Northampton and is proven at Champs level playing good football. Would be very happy if we tried to persuade him he can't take Burnley any further.
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Here's an outside the box thought:
Arsen Wenger leaves Arsenal at the end of the season.
Could our new owners tempt him to build a team?
Not sure if serious
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One way our local rag know how to get our backs up is to connect us with utterly bollocks suggestions as manager. Di Matteo and Pulis firmly fall into that category. Please don't bite.
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Paul Lambert?
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Paul Lambert?
There's no need for that sort of language.
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Here's an outside the box thought:
Arsen Wenger leaves Arsenal at the end of the season.
Could our new owners tempt him to build a team?
Not sure if serious
No, it wasn't serious, hence the 'Outside the box'.
But, why not? If he becomes available and the new owners show ambition why not approach him?
I imagine Wenger would be snapped up pretty quickly by a top team abroad as I doubt he'd want to stay in the Prem.
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Just taken a quick glance at this thread and people are suggesting Wenger and Mourinho. Have I entered an alternative universe?
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Just taken a quick glance at this thread and people are suggesting Wenger and Mourinho. Have I entered an alternative universe?
no just living on the moon
until the takeover happens or doesnt its impossible to call
new owners might have someone from leftfield in mind
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Neil Warnock?
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It'll be impressive to see the tyre marks in the road made by Arsenal fans over Wenger now they've finished second.
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It's all well and good turning up our collective noses at Pulis because of his style of football.
But, even his style is better than the anti football shite we have watched for god knows how long.
The only reason I wouldn't want Pulis is because he's a ******.
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Neil Warnock?
If Benitez leaves Newcastle, Warnock will go there
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Jose Mourinho,or am i in the land of cuckoo's? ;D
His record at Villa Park is almost as bad as Eric Black's.
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Pearson by the start of June, together with new owners. 6 or 7 new players to look at come the Walsall friendly. Last stop, all change.
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Just taken a quick glance at this thread and people are suggesting Wenger and Mourinho. Have I entered an alternative universe?
no just living on the moon
until the takeover happens or doesnt its impossible to call
new owners might have someone from leftfield in mind
Doing Open Up with John Lydon?
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Just taken a quick glance at this thread and people are suggesting Wenger and Mourinho. Have I entered an alternative universe?
no just living on the moon
until the takeover happens or doesnt its impossible to call
new owners might have someone from leftfield in mind
Doing Open Up with John Lydon?
"You lied, you faked, you cheated, you changed the stakes
Magnet toss that pie in the sky, unrehearsed, let the bubbles burst
All in all, a three-ring circus of unity with parody
Tragedy or comedy, probably publicity"
Sounds about right to me Chris.
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Just taken a quick glance at this thread and people are suggesting Wenger and Mourinho. Have I entered an alternative universe?
no just living on the moon
until the takeover happens or doesnt its impossible to call
new owners might have someone from leftfield in mind
Doing Open Up with John Lydon?
"You lied, you faked, you cheated, you changed the stakes
Magnet toss that pie in the sky, unrehearsed, let the bubbles burst
All in all, a three-ring circus of unity with parody
Tragedy or comedy, probably publicity"
Sounds about right to me Chris.
Does anyone have any pills?
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I did but I've just swallowed the last one
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Just taken a quick glance at this thread and people are suggesting Wenger and Mourinho. Have I entered an alternative universe?
no just living on the moon
until the takeover happens or doesnt its impossible to call
new owners might have someone from leftfield in mind
Doing Open Up with John Lydon?
"You lied, you faked, you cheated, you changed the stakes
Magnet toss that pie in the sky, unrehearsed, let the bubbles burst
All in all, a three-ring circus of unity with parody
Tragedy or comedy, probably publicity"
Sounds about right to me Chris.
Does anyone have any pills?
Only a half.
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Does anyone drink Holsten Pils anymore?
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Does anyone drink Holsten Pils anymore?
I had one the other week lovely
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Does anyone drink Holsten Pils anymore?
I had one the other week lovely
Are you getting fresh with Stirchley, Phillip?
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Does anyone drink Holsten Pils anymore?
I had one the other week lovely
Thanks for replying sweetie...
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lets get Jesus in asap
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Pulis is being lined up with a mega deal to move across the Midlands to Villa as rumoured in the B'ham Mail.....
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Across the Midlands makes the 4 miles down the Soho road sound like the Fellowship of the Rings, only in reverse and with more scrap iron obviously.
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Across the Midlands makes the 4 miles down the Soho road sound like the Fellowship of the Rings, only in reverse and with more scrap iron obviously.
Now you come to mention it, Pulis does look a bit Gollum like. Head shaped like a shaved testicle.
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Does anyone drink Holsten Pils anymore?
Diabetes is growing at an alarming rate, and this is often the preferred tipple of those so diagnosed.
On a lighter note.
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lets get Jesus in asap
That loser? Gave the impression of being able to lead his people to the promised land then buggered off leaving chaos in his wake. The Martin O'Neill of messiahs.
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Who ever comes in, I hope to god they bring in a full new backroom staff, if that means the likes of Sid and McDonald going good, the clubs coaching even back to MON, who couldn't plan to get the team to last past March, we have the total lack of ability to beat the first defender at corners, how many dead balls have we scored from, I would hazard a guess we give the ball away from throwing's more than any other team in the Prem, our goal keeping distribution is pathetic, movement off the ball is a foreign concept, against corners, man marking or zonal does not matter as we are the masters at marking space, concentration levels if they can be described as that, only last for 40 minutes each half. no one told them the game last for 90 minutes plus and we have the unique ability to make average players, the market we are shopping in, get worse.
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if it is Pulis, then there is no way I will set foot in Villa Park whilst he is Manager
After 45 years it would be an awful to stay away (even in these dark days), but the thought of Pulis's anti football would be an awful way to see us play
I would rather go and watch Stourbridge!
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I think if it's Pulis I'll save the season ticket money and go up to watch Clyde a few times a season instead.
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I'm sure that list is longer than the last time I could be arsed to check.
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Frank de Boer. Just to add another one to the list.
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I don't think I can deal with Pulis.
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It won't be Pulis. There is no way our Board can be that stupid. They must know the fans won't accept him. Tell me I'm right?
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It won't be Pulis. There is no way our Board can be that stupid. They must know the fans won't accept him. Tell me I'm right?
TSM?
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It won't be Pulis. There is no way our Board can be that stupid. They must know the fans won't accept him. Tell me I'm right?
I don't think it will be Pulis. Although the club is absolutely stupid enough to try and appoint him, I don't think he'd be stupid enough to accept.
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It won't be Pulis. There is no way our Board can be that stupid. They must know the fans won't accept him. Tell me I'm right?
TSM?
ok. That stupid again. They can't be that stupid again can they?
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I'd have taken two or three years of Pulisball, a bit of stability and continued Premier League status, instead of two or three years of ThickPaulLambertDimTimCackBlackSurrenderBall and relegation.
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It won't be Pulis. There is no way our Board can be that stupid. They must know the fans won't accept him. Tell me I'm right?
I don't think it will be Pulis. Although the club is absolutely stupid enough to try and appoint him, I don't think he'd be stupid enough to accept.
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I'd have taken two or three years of Pulisball, a bit of stability and continued Premier League status, instead of two or three years of ThickPaulLambertDimTimCackBlackSurrenderBall and relegation.
Perhaps, but I think Pulisball in the Championship would be too much for me to bear. I'd start following netball instead until it was all over.
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I'd have taken two or three years of Pulisball, a bit of stability and continued Premier League status, instead of two or three years of ThickPaulLambertDimTimCackBlackSurrenderBall and relegation.
That's one of those in hindsight things though isn't it? I'd rather have had my fingers chopped off than have my balls put in that vice...
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I'd have taken two or three years of Pulisball, a bit of stability and continued Premier League status, instead of two or three years of ThickPaulLambertDimTimCackBlackSurrenderBall and relegation.
Perhaps, but I think Pulisball in the Championship would be too much for me to bear. I'd start following netball instead until it was all over.
Everything depends on the owner situation. But yes, Pulisball against Burton Albion would be the stuff of dry dreams.
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It won't be Pulis. There is no way our Board can be that stupid. They must know the fans won't accept him. Tell me I'm right?
I don't think it will be Pulis. Although the club is absolutely stupid enough to try and appoint him, I don't think he'd be stupid enough to accept.
To me some of the comments he has made about the club and the supporters make him an automatic no go.
I wouldn't want us to offer it him because he'd go straight to the mail to tell everyone how he turned us down. Horrible cap wearing wanker
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I'd rather go into League 1 than have Pulis. Seriously.
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I'd rather go into League 1 than have Pulis. Seriously.
I'm with you on that
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I'd rather go into League 1 than have Pulis. Seriously.
I'm with you on that
We've gone into the championship because we failed to get someone like Pulis
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I'd rather go into League 1 than have Pulis. Seriously.
I'm with you on that
We've gone into the championship because we failed to get someone like Pulis
No we have dropped into the Championship because of 5+ years of terrible financial, business, and football management.
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Not really. We failed because we had poor players and poor managers. It wasn't a choice of what we have now or Pulis football.
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I'd rather go into League 1 than have Pulis. Seriously.
I'm with you on that
We've gone into the championship because we failed to get someone like Pulis
have to agree
with pulis it may be dour football but it would be dour football in the right division
bugger me its not like we have been watching attractive football over the past 5 seasons
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I'd rather go into League 1 than have Pulis. Seriously.
I'm with you on that
We've gone into the championship because we failed to get someone like Pulis
No we have dropped into the Championship because of 5+ years of terrible financial, business, and football management.
If Pulis had been given 50 million to spend in the summer, I don't believe we'd be in this situation.
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I fundamentally disagree agree with the basic idea that it was two choices, either being relegated or surviving with Pulis or his ilk. We would have survived had we just been run properly. Playing diabolical football is not the only way to survive.
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I'd rather go into League 1 than have Pulis. Seriously.
I'm with you on that
We've gone into the championship because we failed to get someone like Pulis
have to agree
with pulis it may be dour football but it would be dour football in the right division
bugger me its not like we have been watching attractive football over the past 5 seasons
Despite not only finishing above us, they finished 23 points ahead of us and watched us go down with a whimper and quite a few of them are still not happy. Says it all about Pulis really.
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I'd rather go into League 1 than have Pulis. Seriously.
I'm with you on that
We've gone into the championship because we failed to get someone like Pulis
No we have dropped into the Championship because of 5+ years of terrible financial, business, and football management.
If Pulis had been given 50 million to spend in the summer, I don't believe we'd be in this situation.
I don't think we'd be in this situation had we given £50m to Koeman, Bilic, Flores or Ranieri either. And they probably would have kept us up without playing four centre backs and four defensive midfielders.
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I'd rather go into League 1 than have Pulis. Seriously.
I'm with you on that
We've gone into the championship because we failed to get someone like Pulis
No we have dropped into the Championship because of 5+ years of terrible financial, business, and football management.
If Pulis had been given 50 million to spend in the summer, I don't believe we'd be in this situation.
I don't think we'd be in this situation had we given £50m to Koeman, Bilic, Flores or Ranieri either. And they probably would have kept us up without playing four centre backs and four defensive midfielders.
The same manager who played Cameron Jerome on his own up front and who's tactic for goals came from a very long Rory Delap long throw. People have short memories on how bad that Stoke team of his were.
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Well without a decent manager and money we are fucked. We don't have the basis of an even half decent squad. The fans don't want any of the players here and none of the players ( bar a couple) want to be here either. We may get one last throw of the dice with new owners but no new owners or the wrong choice of manager and we could be the next Portsmouth.
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I fundamentally disagree agree with the basic idea that it was two choices, either being relegated or surviving with Pulis or his ilk. We would have survived had we just been run properly. Playing diabolical football is not the only way to survive.
I agree with you, my point with Pulis was that he probably would have kept us up. I'm not disputing there were other candidates (with a more attractive style of football) that could have done the same.
If I owned the club and wanted out, I'd have hired Pulis. He's got the pedigree.
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Mal, would you PM me please. Thanks.
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Pulis is 61/1 on bet fair if you think he's going to be coming you could fill your boots
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I wouldn't be going to watch his shite if he got appointed. I am twitching about renewing anyone. The coming weekends with no football and loads of time with my lads look great. I could do it every weekend if I fucked this lot off.
I don't think that will happen, but appointing Pulisaurus would definitely make my mind up.
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I fundamentally disagree agree with the basic idea that it was two choices, either being relegated or surviving with Pulis or his ilk. We would have survived had we just been run properly. Playing diabolical football is not the only way to survive.
I agree with you, my point with Pulis was that he probably would have kept us up. I'm not disputing there were other candidates (with a more attractive style of football) that could have done the same.
If I owned the club and wanted out, I'd have hired Pulis. He's got the pedigree.
Yes, but then why go for Pulis when others could do the same, but in a manner that didn't make your eyes bleed.
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Pulis is 61/1 on bet fair if you think he's going to be coming you could fill your boots
If Pulis is coming, I'll be filling my boots.
With concrete, and then jumping in the canal.
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Pulis is 61/1 on bet fair if you think he's going to be coming you could fill your boots
May be not "on". Anyway he is not even listed on Paddypower.
Top picks from them:
R Di Matteo 4/6 D Nigel Pearson 2/1 Steve Bruce 8/1 M McCarthy 10/1 .....
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I fundamentally disagree agree with the basic idea that it was two choices, either being relegated or surviving with Pulis or his ilk. We would have survived had we just been run properly. Playing diabolical football is not the only way to survive.
I agree with you, my point with Pulis was that he probably would have kept us up. I'm not disputing there were other candidates (with a more attractive style of football) that could have done the same.
If I owned the club and wanted out, I'd have hired Pulis. He's got the pedigree.
Yes, but then why go for Pulis when others could do the same, but in a manner that didn't make your eyes bleed.
Not my favourite manager either but I thought he was the safest option. With Randy's poor record, he should have picked a manager for the job in hand
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I'm not so sure Pulis could have got another 23 points out of us personally.
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Sorry, why are people talking about Pulis, have I missed something?
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Alan Nixon saying the new CEO fancies him
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Who the new ceo wants to date is up to him. As manager he can fuck right off. Don't nothing but take pot shots all season. He's a class a twat. I would sooner have Timmy back and that says it all.
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Poor Brighton have done a Spurs and fallen at the final hurdle. But Chris Hughton is more than good enough for us, now let's go get him.
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Poor Brighton have done a Spurs and fallen at the final hurdle. But Chris Hughton is more than good enough for us, now let's go get him.
Got to feel for him, missing out on automatic promotion by a goal difference of two.
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Hughton stays in the championship with Brighton....it's worth a phonecall surely?
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Alan Nixon saying the new CEO fancies him
Whoever the new CEO ends up being, if his first action is to appoint Pulis it would be suicide from a PR perspective.
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When was the last time Alan Nixon was right about anything to do with Villa let alone get an exclusive of any kind?
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Hughton stays in the championship with Brighton....it's worth a phonecall surely?
It has to be. Championship managers go, his record is incredible.
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Poor Brighton have done a Spurs and fallen at the final hurdle. But Chris Hughton is more than good enough for us, now let's go get him.
Instinctively this feels right, a man with dignity, harshly treated by the Geordies I remember. I have no problem whatsoever with him having been ex-blues (journalists if this happens please note this when you come trawling). It feels like he ticks not just the thorough championship experience box but could be at the very least be a medium term appointment, and if he proves himself I can imagine him earning a long stay at the helm. Presumably he has his own trusted team, any thoughts why he might not be a suitable option?
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Why would Hughton leave a soundly run club like Brighton to join the shambolic clusterfuck that is Aston Villa?
I'll tell you why. It's because it's Aston Villa and he would snap their hands off if offerered the job.
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Hughton stays in the championship with Brighton....it's worth a phonecall surely?
It has to be. Championship managers go, his record is incredible.
You've changed your tune
Winky face (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=33514.msg2775975#msg277597)
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1. We were fighting to survive in the premiership at the time, not get out of the championship
2. He has done very very well at Brighton since, it was what 15 months ago?
3. Really? I an't remember what i write on here a week ago, let alone 15 months. That is some impressive searching.
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Hughton stays in the championship with Brighton....it's worth a phonecall surely?
It has to be. Championship managers go, his record is incredible.
If we can't get Moyes then he would be my second choice. Very good record in the Championship and did a decent job with Newcastle when they went up. Also comes across well and a class act off the field.
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Why would Hughton leave a soundly run club like Brighton to join the shambolic clusterfuck that is Aston Villa?
I'll tell you why. It's because it's Aston Villa and he would snap their hands off if offerered the job.
+1, time to show a bit of ambition and get him in. Feels like a good fit for us.
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If it is as speculated Di Matteo, considering he had 52% win ratio at MK Dons, and bought Albion up with only 7 defeats and getting 91 points the season Hughton got 102 at Newcastle, you can understand why he might appeal. Not my first choice, but he might do better than we think, and has as much chance as some of the other candidates to bring us back.
It would be interesting to see what his coaching team was.
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Considering some of the terrifying names mentioned, I'd be fine with Di Matteo.
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Hughton is a no for me, managed that lot, if we go on a bad run of form then that would be one of the first things aimed at him!, and also the compensation would be quite a lot, that we would have to pay
We need any available money to be spent on improving our team (50p should be enough)
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Alan Nixon saying the new CEO fancies him
New CEO? Have I missed something here?
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I'd rather have Hughton than RDM but both would be higher up my list than Pearson.
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I'd be quite happy with Hughton. But we really ought to have someone lined up by now and working behind the scenes - waiting until the end of the season is very risky and a loss of the 6 weeks head start we should have had on everyone else.
I'm assuming it's Pearson.
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I'm not so sure Pulis could have got another 23 points out of us personally.
The mistake was appointing Sherwood the season before, I didn't mean this one.
We stayed up but we needed to address bigger problems.
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Alan Nixon saying the new CEO fancies him
New CEO? Have I missed something here?
Potential new ceo
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This is according to the sun
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It's speculation season for sure
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Alan Nixon saying the new CEO fancies him
The new CEO fancies Alan Nixon? Nice to see such openness in the overly heterosexual world of football.
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Alan Nixon saying the new CEO fancies him
The new CEO fancies Alan Nixon? Nice to see such openness in the overly heterosexual world of football.
Or we are hiring Karren Brady CBE.
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Alan Nixon saying the new CEO fancies him
The new CEO fancies Alan Nixon? Nice to see such openness in the overly heterosexual world of football.
Or we are hiring Karren Brady CBE.
I have been shown up for the chauvinistic penis-wielding male oppressor that I am.
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Alan Nixon saying the new CEO fancies him
The new CEO fancies Alan Nixon? Nice to see such openness in the overly heterosexual world of football.
Or we are hiring Karren Brady CBE.
What as? The hippo for the new badge?
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Alan Nixon saying the new CEO fancies him
The new CEO fancies Alan Nixon? Nice to see such openness in the overly heterosexual world of football.
Or we are hiring Karren Brady CBE.
It says a lot that we could do that and she still wouldn't be the most detested person at the club.
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I'd rather go into League 1 than have Pulis. Seriously.
I'm with you on that
We've gone into the championship because we failed to get someone like Pulis
No we have dropped into the Championship because of 5+ years of terrible financial, business, and football management.
If Pulis had been given 50 million to spend in the summer, I don't believe we'd be in this situation.
If Pulis had been given £50M to spend in the summer, Newcastle could have got another 5 £10M players in after Ashley had banked the takings on an unexpected surge in the sale of baseball caps and tracksuit bottoms.
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Want some REALLY worrying news?
From Twitter:
BBC Sport @BBCSport 46s46 seconds ago
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Want some REALLY worrying news?
From Twitter:
BBC Sport @BBCSport 46s46 seconds ago
Neil Warnock leaves Rotherham United.
More: http://bbc.in/27zopz7
I'd rather him than DiMatteo
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Want some REALLY worrying news?
From Twitter:
BBC Sport @BBCSport 46s46 seconds ago
Neil Warnock leaves Rotherham United.
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I'd rather him than DiMatteo
really? why is that?
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Want some REALLY worrying news?
From Twitter:
BBC Sport @BBCSport 46s46 seconds ago
Neil Warnock leaves Rotherham United.
More: http://bbc.in/27zopz7
I'd rather him than DiMatteo
really? why is that?
I would too, to be honest.
I don't like Di Matteo, although that might just be down to his head putting me in mind of an onion.
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Want some REALLY worrying news?
From Twitter:
BBC Sport @BBCSport 46s46 seconds ago
Neil Warnock leaves Rotherham United.
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I'd rather him than DiMatteo
really? why is that?
Can't explain it the appointment just fills with me dread. I'd much rather we went for Pearson.
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If his 1 season in the championship is anything to go by, Di Matteo should be fine.
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I don't much like di Matteo either, but come on, Neil actual Warnock over him? No way.
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I don't much like di Matteo either, but come on, Neil actual Warnock over him? No way.
Warnock has got plenty of promotions at clubs on limited budgets in the past and has just produced a minor miracle with Rotherham.
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If his 1 season in the championship is anything to go by, Di Matteo should be fine.
Problem is it isn't much to go by I don't think, as Baggies regularly yo-yo'd in those days, and I can't imagine we'd be calling for some of the other managers that got them promoted, Megson and Mowbray was it?
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I don't much like di Matteo either, but come on, Neil actual Warnock over him? No way.
Not fashionable, but knows how to win games in the Championship.....Oh to win a game of football!
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I don't much like di Matteo either, but come on, Neil actual Warnock over him? No way.
If we weren't in line for a takeover, and really didn't have a pot to piss in, I'd fancy Warnock to do a better job with us than Di Matteo.
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Pretty under whelmed if it's Di Matteo. With a new owner and a few bosses to choose from it does seem an odd choice if true.
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Pretty under whelmed if it's Di Matteo. With a new owner and a few bosses to choose from it does seem an odd choice if true.
That's what I thought - hope it's all speculation.
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Di Matteo did well in the Championship, so when other names mentioned are Pulis and Warnock then I'd be fairly happy with him.
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I still remember him scoring against us in the FA Cup Final and having to console my kids travelling back from Wembley, it's going to take more than scraping a draw away at Burton for me to forget that.
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his one achievement in the Championship was a few years ago and his Germanic exploits have been uninspired to say the least. On the plus side he lives in Royal Leamington Spa near me. On the down side, he always reminds me of one of those people being smothered by Rover, the giant latex weather balloon in The Prisoner.
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I've just had a quick look at his record at FC Schalke 04. Not very impressive. Whilst accepting he didn't even have a full season there, inheriting in October the team, the one stand out for me was the lack of goals. The Bundesliga commentator, Kevin Hatchard on twitter described Di Matteo has having overseen ‘some hideous football’.
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My tenuous ITK from when he managed MK Dons is that he's pretty lazy. That aligned with the speculation that the players generally ran things at Chelsea makes me think that he might be an alright coach but is not a guy to sort out an entire club. On that basis I hope that the buyers have a DoF lined up who can/will sort out the general structure whilst RDM's remit is limited to coaching the first team.
I guess that is where the fella from Everton (didn't he have a consultancy business wherein he advised on training facilities and sports infrastructure) and Comolli (scouting/purchasing players) might come in. Could be worse is my verdict.
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Strike Hughton off the list Just signed 4 year contract with Brighton
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Gabby will be overjoyed .A bloke whose attendance at training is irregular and smokes like a chimney according to many Baggies fans is exactly what we need .If it is him I will be vastly disappointed.
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Pretty under whelmed if it's Di Matteo. With a new owner and a few bosses to choose from it does seem an odd choice if true.
i just thought the same thing
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Strike Hughton off the list Just signed 4 year contract with Brighton
I bet he wouldn't have if we'd been remotely interested
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Aren't we going all out for Pulis now Wyness is in?
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No options for betting anymore on Skybet
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No options for betting anymore on Skybet
Sigh!
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We've just got relegated with an appalling squad and 3 wins. Beggars can't be choosers, Di Matteo is not a bad pick for where we are at the moment. I'll give him until the end of September before I turn :D
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Di Matteo has had one season in the second tier and got promoted. He's also won an FA Cup and a European Cup AND he doesn't appear to be certifiably mental and a vile human being like one of the other contenders.
I don't get the hate.
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I don't know the ins and outs of the Bundesliga either but he took over Schalke 11th and they ended up 6th, can't be too bad surely.
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Di Matteo has had one season in the second tier and got promoted. He's also won an FA Cup and a European Cup AND he doesn't appear to be certifiably mental and a vile human being like one of the other contenders.
I don't get the hate.
I always liked him, which is a feat in itself with his chelsea connections. That doesn't make him a good manager, mind.
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Di Matteo has had one season in the second tier and got promoted. He's also won an FA Cup and a European Cup AND he doesn't appear to be certifiably mental and a vile human being like one of the other contenders.
I don't get the hate.
Same here. Felt the same when Ranieri took over at Leiecester. I thought he was a great choice at the time - Felt he was unfairly discarded by Chelsea during his last stint in the Prem (think Mourinho followed him?).
You look at his career as a manager, and he doesn't have a bad cv - FA Cup and European cup as a stand-in manager can't be half bad? Even managed to get the Tesco bags playing!
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When he was at the Albion, some mates told me he started off great but completely lost the plot towards the end.
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Di Matteo has had one season in the second tier and got promoted. He's also won an FA Cup and a European Cup AND he doesn't appear to be certifiably mental and a vile human being like one of the other contenders.
I don't get the hate.
No hate from me. In fact he always come across as a nice guy
I just have reservations about his managerial abilities
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He seems to have pretty much always done quite well in managing though.
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Di Matteo will be a totally underwhelming appointment in my eyes but hey....I'll get behind the new regime 100% regardless of who takes charge.
No one will change my mind though from thinking that this job was the perfect fit for Pearson. Only time will tell.
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He'll have to win a lot of games for me to forgive him that Cup Final winner.
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When he was at the Albion, some mates told me he started off great but completely lost the plot towards the end.
Tim Sherwood-esque?
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At the risk of turning in to Tim Sherwood, he's got a win ratio of 50% over 200 games, what's wrong with that?
Took Mk Dons to the play offs. Promoted the Bitters then gave them their best Premier league start. Won the big one and the Carling Cup with Chelsea and was 3rd when Chelsea replaced him with 23pts in 11 games. Took over Schalke 11th and finished 6th.
It looks pretty impressive to me.
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MK Dons: only had one season there. Lost on penalties in the playoff semi-finals. Considering they'd only been promoted the previous season that's not a bad return. Verdict: SUCCESS.
West Brom: got them promoted at the first attempt. They were above the relegation zone the following season when he was, rather harshly, sacked. Verdict: SUCCESS
Chelsea: of course any achievement at that club has to be viewed while considering that just about anyone could do well there with their resources and squad. Nevertheless, he won the trophy that eluded Mourinho, Ranieri, Hiddink, Ancelotti and others, and added another trophy. He didn't do well in the league by their standards in his first season, but he had improved in the second season when he was dismissed. Verdict: SUCCESS.
Schalke: took over with them in eleventh, finished sixth. Did have a poor end to the season so I won't call it an outright success. Verdict: OKAY.
So overall, I'm not seeing what part of his managerial history really worries people?
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Whenever we recruit a new manager I tend to consider his suitability as a "villa fit". I'm not always right. I always thought Remi was, and Sherwood (oops). But I definitely didn't get same feeling with mcleish or going further back o'leary. Di matteo on the other hand I like and think will be a good fit. Pearson or Warnock will never seem like villa managers for me.
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I have to say that I'm almost completely discounting his Chelsea success, given he was caretaker boss, and it wasn't his squad. Looking at his record there, I'm probably being a tad unfair, but I'm more interested in the teams he created rather than inherited. I'm whelmed, that's all.
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I don't think de Matteo is big enough hard enough or good enough to sort out our shower of poosters
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I don't think de Matteo is big enough hard enough or good enough to sort out our shower of poosters
Hopefully John they won't be there for much longer, that's part of the plan.
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I don't think de Matteo is big enough hard enough or good enough to sort out our shower of poosters
Let's hope he buys some new ones then.
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MK Dons: only had one season there. Lost on penalties in the playoff semi-finals. Considering they'd only been promoted the previous season that's not a bad return. Verdict: SUCCESS.
West Brom: got them promoted at the first attempt. They were above the relegation zone the following season when he was, rather harshly, sacked. Verdict: SUCCESS
Chelsea: of course any achievement at that club has to be viewed while considering that just about anyone could do well there with their resources and squad. Nevertheless, he won the trophy that eluded Mourinho, Ranieri, Hiddink, Ancelotti and others, and added another trophy. He didn't do well in the league by their standards in his first season, but he had improved in the second season when he was dismissed. Verdict: SUCCESS.
Schalke: took over with them in eleventh, finished sixth. Did have a poor end to the season so I won't call it an outright success. Verdict: OKAY.
So overall, I'm not seeing what part of his managerial history really worries people?
Thanks, that's quite an impressive CV. Looks a great option if true, much happier about this rumour than Pearson.
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I don't think de Matteo is big enough hard enough or good enough to sort out our shower of poosters
I wasn't aware that being six foot five and built like a shithouse was a prerequisite for being a good football manager.
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I don't think de Matteo is big enough hard enough or good enough to sort out our shower of poosters
Nor do I, but I don't think anyone can. Hopefully Little and Begington's advice to Hollis was we need a complete overhaul and this has been fed to any potential buyer.
Out with the old and in with new.
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Incoming managers often like to say that all the players start with a 'clean slate' and other cliches, but frankly I hope whoever comes to the Villa has more of a 'guilty until proven innocent' approach to these oxygen-thieving twerpholes.
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He'll have to win a lot of games for me to forgive him that Cup Final winner.
Dropsy James was actually the cuplrit there.
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I still blame Gregory. It was only one goal. Had we bothered attacking at any point, we might have managed to score one too.
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I still blame Gregory. It was only one goal. Had we bothered attacking at any point, we might have managed to score one too.
Me to. We could of had a go at them. James was the fall guy for many, not me though.
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Jim White SSN - I hear new Aston Villa chairman Dr Tony Xia met with Roberto Di Matteo last week - but two other contenders remain in the frame tonight.
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If, as has been widely speculated, the new managerial appointment is imminent, that would seem to rule out candidates currently in employment. Hopefully this means no Pulis.
Shame that cock Pearson is still unemployed though.
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Jim White SSN - I hear new Aston Villa chairman Dr Tony Xia met with Roberto Di Matteo last week - but two other contenders remain in the frame tonight.
Fucking hell. We're looking at more than one option. That's a positive after years of having only one targets.
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Di Matteo is fine, definitely better than the other tired names going around. I never really liked his teams football though, they played the same sort of tactical mush we saw Mcleish and later Lambert picked but he had far better players.....
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If Mr Wyness and Mr Xia are reading this and other websites, as has been suggested in the media, please appoint a manager to galvanize the fans and to bring the fans and club closer together.
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I still blame Gregory. It was only one goal. Had we bothered attacking at any point, we might have managed to score one too.
Gregory completely screwed up; Chelsea were there for the taking.
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My personal favourite would still be Bernd Schuster, he'd be magnificent mad man and if I'm not mistaken, he'd certainly instill discipline into our rotten lot. :D
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I reckon it'll be Mourinho.
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I reckon it'll be Mourinho.
Is that a good thing?
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Getting a bit late in the day for an announcement tonight
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Getting a bit late in the day for an announcement tonight
Klopp, innit. Bit busy at the moment.
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Can we not have the Sevilla manager instead?
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Nah, he's planning for the CL.
*sniggers*
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I still think Moyes would be the best bet overall but as long as we're offloading 70% or more of the first team squad De Matteo would be a good shout also. If for some reason we're going to be stuck with most of the scumbags it's Pearson all the way.
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It's now a lot easier to sell the future of the club to a top manager.
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I think it's going to be De Matteo. His name seems to have been linked with Wyness - something that looks like it is going to happen now, so I think we will see him appointed pretty sharpish. Wouldn't be my choice, but wouldn't be devastated by it.
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I think it's going to be De Matteo. His name seems to have been linked with Wyness - something that looks like it is going to happen now, so I think we will see him appointed pretty sharpish. Wouldn't be my choice, but wouldn't be devastated by it.
Also a well known name in our new growth market.
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I'd be happy with De Matteo...if we do have money to spend and it would appear we do, he'll do well to attract the better players playing in the championship.
I'd start with trying to keep Vertout, Amavi, Gana, Traore, Ayew...I still think there are decent players in there under a decent manager and a decent style of play. Plus some have had a season now in English football...not a great one but one none the less
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It's an odd choice for a new owner's top option. You can have Moyes, Pearson, even try your luck with Pellegrini, Mourinho or De Boer...but no, Roberto Di Matteo is your favoured option.
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The list of managers I'd rather have then Di Matteo is almost as big as the list of managers I wouldn't have over Di Matteo. It's a very middle of the road choice but could be a lot worse.
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Neil Warnock has left Rotherham. Just sayin'.
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It's an odd choice for a new owner's top option. You can have Moyes, Pearson, even try your luck with Pellegrini, Mourinho or De Boer...but no, Roberto Di Matteo is your favoured option.
Are you trying to suggest Pearson has a more impressive CV than Di Matteo?
And feel free to tell me the number of times that someone like Pellegrini or Mourinho has taken over a Second Division team.
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I won't because that's not the point I was making. I was saying it's a fairly left-field option for even an English owner to make, let alone a Chinese bloke that's materialised out of nowhere.
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Less of a left-field appointment for a bloke working alongside a former Everton Board member who, presumably, has a reasonable knowledge of football managers.
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I don't see what's left-field about Di Matteo other than the possibility that he might consider a Championship job beneath him at this stage of his career. Of all the non-English managers you could find, you'd be hard pressed to find one who's more English.
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Di Matteo excellent appointment. The mans showed hes succesful everywhere he went and has progressed in his managerial career.
Took mk dones up in play offs first time of asking then took wba straight up in championship and in prem league had best ever start with them. Then with Chelsea wins fa cup and champions league. In Germany he did well with schalke and it seemingly turned out he wasn't gonna get the backing needed to progress. Yes di matteo is the most capable succesful and realistic appointment going.
I mean name another who's as good as him realistically!
He's played in premier league manager league one ,championships and prem. He's managed in champions league and bundesliga. He knows the area from west brom days and the league. He speaks several languages. A good age and decent coach who will get on with the football side of things. He's far beter than any out of work English manager and more experiences or successful than other British managers or Roberto Martinez.
I like this move and it's positive he's a modern man who knows modern game. This man beat real Madrid 4-3 at the bernabu that's impressive -attacking guile and play.
I have to say it's very shrewd but this Chinese know exactly what they are doing bright timrs ahead on yes indeedy
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Neil Warnock has left Rotherham. Just sayin'.
Didn't you say that earlier? If you did, f*** off!!! :) ;)
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I remember RDM upon winning the CL final approaching Abramovitch in celebration and shouting," I did it"
One of the shortest resignations speaches ever by the look on the Russians face.
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Given the reported new CEO I would have thought Moyes would have been (even more) logical but it seems not.
Not sure what to make of RDM.
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If it is Di Matteo we are about to take on exactly the wrong type of manager for the players that make up the current squad I really hope they can do better than him. We should know shortly.
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I remember Stan Petrov told a friend of mine a few years ago he thinks we should get DiMateo for a good players/football development. So I am hopeful on Di Mateo and probably even Stan returning.
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Not sure about RDM, I worry that he will not be strong enough to deal with our "big time charlies"
I would prefer Moyes or a Pearson
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If it is RDM not overwhelmed, not underwhelmed, I just hope that he is given the freedom to get rid of the oxygen stealing bastards that have paraded as Aston Villa footballers 2015 / 2016
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He got Albion up at the first time of asking. He's at least got history of promotion.
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Also lets face it. Championship clubs shouldnt really be turning their noses up at Champions League winning managers.
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Also lets face it. Championship clubs shouldnt really be turning their noses up at Champions League winning managers.
Indeed. And to those saying he won it with someone else's team, lay that charge against Ranieri and Leicester too.
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I didn't actually realise how good his CV is until last night. It's very impressive as he has done brilliantly so far in management and after seeing that record it would be quite a coup as a 2nd division side appointing him.
I'm not too worried about whether he can handle the mercanries within as I really hope the new regime will allow him to start from scratch. Surely it's obvious to see over the last 15 months or so it's not so much the problem of the manager but the standard of players at the club.
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I remember Stan Petrov told a friend of mine a few years ago he thinks we should get DiMateo for a good players/football development. So I am hopeful on Di Mateo and probably even Stan returning.
Love the bloke, miss him enormously, but I really don't have too much faith in his recommendations. Not saying he's not right in this case, but they've gone a little awry in the past.
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Not sure what to make of RdM, but I'd like to think we would at least have looked at de Boer.
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Still think Pearson is the best bet at changing a lazy, arrogant bunch of wasters who've developed a shocking culture at the club. Not sure RDM is strong enough for that challenge.
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Not sure about RDM, I worry that he will not be strong enough to deal with our "big time charlies"
I would prefer Moyes or a Pearson
I'd like Moyes but he doesn't seem to have done well with the "big time Charlies" at his last English club.
Not sure why people want Pearson. The logic seems to be he's good at shouting and being a nutcase. Forest tried that approach by appointing Pearce. He turned out to be shite.
Pearson got promoted and then took a team that was good enough to win the league to fourteenth place.
Di Matteo got promoted and took a team that was good enough to win the league to the European Cup.
There is absolutely nothing in his CV that suggests he'd be less than a success.
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I don't care who it is as long as they get someone to go through the team with a cattle prod first.
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Better not pick any of our forwards to do the job. They'd miss.
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RDM, is it cos he looks a little bit chineseish?
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I think De Matteo could get us up and wouldn't be devastated by the appointment like I would be with Pulis
But ultimately I don't think it's the right choice,
be prepared for more Eric Black line ups because this guy does not entertain,
he won the champs league by attrition, his team was dismal and this was when he had great players not the numpties we have
I know people will say they don't care about style just results and that's fair enough,
but I still yearn to go and watch a football match where we can win and also play some decent football, I don't think it's asking to much
never the less if it's him I will be ok with it I just don't like negative football, it's my default position
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I don't see what's left-field about Di Matteo other than the possibility that he might consider a Championship job beneath him at this stage of his career. Of all the non-English managers you could find, you'd be hard pressed to find one who's more English.
Maybe it's considered left-field because no-one had even thought of him until he's odds tumbled last week. I'd prefer either Pearson or Moyes but it may also end up being an inspired choice.
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I haven't read every comment on this thread, but I would very much doubt if the name Roberto Di Matteo has been mentioned. Must admit he hasn't inspired me, when he has been interviewed in the past. Question has to be asked, why has he not had a managerial job for the last 12 months. Was that his choice or has nobody approached him.
Hope I'm wrong, but I think probably, Tony Xia has just seen Champions league winner on his CV and decided he must be the man. Certainly not my first choice, but trying to look on the bright side, not the worst choice.
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I think De Matteo could get us up and wouldn't be devastated by the appointment like I would be with Pulis
But ultimately I don't think it's the right choice,
be prepared for more Eric Black line ups because this guy does not entertain,
he won the champs league by attrition, his team was dismal and this was when he had great players not the numpties we have
I know people will say they don't care about style just results and that's fair enough,
but I still yearn to go and watch a football match where we can win and also play some decent football, I don't think it's asking to much
never the less if it's him I will be ok with it I just don't like negative football, it's my default position
Although hours Albion side in that division scored 2 a game and were very entertaining.
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I can't imagine anyone at Leicester was ecstatic about the appointment of Claudio Ranieri either.
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I think De Matteo could get us up and wouldn't be devastated by the appointment like I would be with Pulis
But ultimately I don't think it's the right choice,
be prepared for more Eric Black line ups because this guy does not entertain,
he won the champs league by attrition, his team was dismal and this was when he had great players not the numpties we have
I know people will say they don't care about style just results and that's fair enough,
but I still yearn to go and watch a football match where we can win and also play some decent football, I don't think it's asking to much
never the less if it's him I will be ok with it I just don't like negative football, it's my default position
Although hours Albion side in that division scored 2 a game and were very entertaining.
They loved him did they
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I'm not sure how much RDM had to do with that Champions League win. Not only was it not his team, but it's generally accepted that Andreas Villas Boas was ousted by player power, and that the likes of Lampard and Terry and other senior players had a very loud voice in how that team was picked and set up for the rest of that season.
He's not a terrible selection, but it's not exactly an inspiring appointment either. You would have thought that with a brand new owner/investor, we might be able to attract a bigger fish than our amended league status would normally attract.
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I'm scratching my head to remember, but what's his side's playing style like?
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Not sure what to make of RdM, but I'd like to think we would at least have looked at de Boer.
de Boer :-)
we are in the championship, reality bites
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Nobody's going to be wetting their pants with excitement, but Di Matteo at least has the distinction of having already done the job we will need him to do next season, namely getting a Championship side promoted.
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I'm not sure how much RDM had to do with that Champions League win. Not only was it not his team, but it's generally accepted that Andreas Villas Boas was ousted by player power, and that the likes of Lampard and Terry and other senior players had a very loud voice in how that team was picked and set up for the rest of that season.
He's not a terrible selection, but it's not exactly an inspiring appointment either. You would have thought that with a brand new owner/investor, we might be able to attract a bigger fish than our amended league status would normally attract.
Lampard with Terry as assistant for our promotion push then.
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It's good news for me, as it means they will be more likely to show Villa games live over here next season.
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As much as I like Di Matteo, do I think he has enough about him to go and sort out that dressing room? No, probably not.
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I'm scratching my head to remember, but what's his side's playing style like?
A bit neither here nor there from what I remember. Like a more successful version of Remi Garde.
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Former Fulham and QPR star appointed Villa manager
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-qpr-fulham-star-appointed-11344423
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Former Fulham and QPR star appointed Villa manager
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/former-qpr-fulham-star-appointed-11344423
You rascal.
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Don't you know that there are some of us on here with dicky tickers? We don’t need shocks like that.
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WE'VE BEEN DUPED, HE'S FOREIGN!
I checked.
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10287710/roberto-di-matteo-heads-the-shortlist-for-aston-villa-job-but-is-not-the-only-candidate?
Says Dyche and Rodgers also on the list
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Rodgers looks pretty nailed on to be at Celtic
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I think De Matteo could get us up
Perhaps, as one of the world's richest clubs, we're entering an era where we appoint a manager for a specific purpose and then dispense with him, like Citeh
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ok so let's start with the Chosen One, then sack him off once we're back where we belong and bring in Pep.
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Not sure about De Matteo. Wouldn't be the worst, but I think he was lucky to be in the right place at the right time when he "won" the Champions League.
I know he got WestBrom up, but I don't see any "steel" in him, unlike Moyes or Pearson, that could kick the layabouts into shape.
Still, nothing anounced yet.
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Yes, but if Dr. X is genuine and we get the promised new investment the wastrels and layabouts will be gone or sidelined forever, RDM will have his own players and won't need to be kicking arse and getting all manly.
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Yes, but if Dr. X is genuine and we get the promised new investment the wastrels and layabouts will be gone or sidelined forever, RDM will have his own players and won't need to be kicking arse and getting all manly.
To be honest, I'd be quite disappointed if having reached these depths there wasn't some significant, manly arse kicking going on at Villa Park.
They should sell tickets, there would lock outs.
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As much as I like Di Matteo, do I think he has enough about him to go and sort out that dressing room? No, probably not.
I don't think he will need to...most of the culprits will be off I suspect.
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As much as I like Di Matteo, do I think he has enough about him to go and sort out that dressing room? No, probably not.
I don't think he will need to...most of the culprits will be off I suspect.
I bet most will still be here
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Warnock was on SSN earlier he said
he left Rotherham by mutual consent
he wants to manage again
he wants to manage in the championship as that's what he's is good at
he has already spoken to clubs but has no firm offers yet
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I am changing my tune I reckon its gonna be Rodgers. Xia's comments about confirming RDM discussions but also there are other exciting candidates leads me to think that. With all due respect to Celtic & Rangers no Scottish club is going to be offering transfer budgets like Tony X's promised warchest.
Also although he is a bit of a prat off the field Rodgers easily has his teams play better looking football than Moyes, RDM , Perason et al. And I want to see attractive football from Villa.
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Well he's clearly not.
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Warnock was on SSN earlier he said
he left Rotherham by mutual consent
he wants to manage again
he wants to manage in the championship as that's what he's is good at
he has already spoken to clubs but has no firm offers yet
I could see him ending up at Forest or Blackburn.
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Also lets face it. Championship clubs shouldnt really be turning their noses up at Champions League winning managers.
Indeed. And to those saying he won it with someone else's team, lay that charge against Ranieri and Leicester too.
And Tony Barton
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Should we change the poll to di matteo or Pearson as they are twolst likely .
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Di Matteo excellent appointment. The mans showed hes succesful everywhere he went and has progressed in his managerial career.
Took mk dones up in play offs first time of asking then took wba straight up in championship and in prem league had best ever start with them. Then with Chelsea wins fa cup and champions league. In Germany he did well with schalke and it seemingly turned out he wasn't gonna get the backing needed to progress. Yes di matteo is the most capable succesful and realistic appointment going.
I mean name another who's as good as him realistically!
He's played in premier league manager league one ,championships and prem. He's managed in champions league and bundesliga. He knows the area from west brom days and the league. He speaks several languages. A good age and decent coach who will get on with the football side of things. He's far beter than any out of work English manager and more experiences or successful than other British managers or Roberto Martinez.
I like this move and it's positive he's a modern man who knows modern game. This man beat real Madrid 4-3 at the bernabu that's impressive -attacking guile and play.
I have to say it's very shrewd but this Chinese know exactly what they are doing bright timrs ahead on yes indeedy
Compared to Pearson it's a win for di matteo for me
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
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As much as I like Di Matteo, do I think he has enough about him to go and sort out that dressing room? No, probably not.
I don't think he will need to...most of the culprits will be off I suspect.
I bet most will still be here
I'd be very surprised if Bacuna, Lescott, Richards and Gabby were still here...but we'll see.
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Should we change the poll to di matteo or Pearson as they are twolst likely .
Tony X reckons there are still several candidates in play including those two. I wouldn't narrow the poll choices down just yet.
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As much as I like Di Matteo, do I think he has enough about him to go and sort out that dressing room? No, probably not.
I don't think he will need to...most of the culprits will be off I suspect.
I bet most will still be here
I'd be very surprised if Bacuna, Lescott, Richards and Gabby were still here...but we'll see.
Reading into the intentions of our new owner these lot and maybe more will be gone.
I can't believe a manager with money at his disposal will want many players that have broken so many unwanted records and caused problems behind the scenes. Enough publicity has been sounded to suggest there is a deep rooted problem within, so it's not only Villa fans that are in the know to these issues.
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
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Furthermore, in nearly 320 pages there has been barely a mention of the guy
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Furthermore, in nearly 320 pages there has been barely a mention of the guy
Furthermore there has been plenty written that the thought of Pearson fills most with dread.
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
Out of interest... why do you think he's shit?
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Taking Moyes out of the equation he's the guy 50 odd people on here think would do a good job and not only that, several high profile people in the media have suggested its a no brainier. He's also Hollis' first choice, the same Hollis whom everyone is praising for the job he's done in the last 5 months
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Taking Moyes out of the equation he's the guy 50 odd people on here think would do a good job and not only that, several high profile people in the media have suggested its a no brainier. He's also Hollis' first choice, the same Hollis whom everyone is praising for the job he's done in the last 5 months
But why do you think RDM is shit?
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The same Hollis who would seem an extremely good business man, but not a football man?
As it is, I can admire Pearsons record at Leicester but overall his managerial record is not great and his temperament and personality is very questionable. RDM on the hand has a highly impressive managerial record and seems very level headed.
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Ps I take it that it's been said but well done Steve Hollis.
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If we do appoint a manager soon, that would be a pretty clear sign that Dr X has only doubts about passing the Fit and Proper Person Test, which would be an encouraging sign for the doubters.
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
So shit he's been successful at every club he's managed.
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Moyes remains my preference, especially with that type of transfer budget.
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I'd be happy with Moyes.
Of the viable candidates that have been linked most regularly yes to Moyes and Di Matteo
Absolutely fucking no to Pearson or Pulis.
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Moyes remains my preference, especially with that type of transfer budget.
Moyes has never taken a team to promotion... or won anything of note.
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
So shit he's been successful at every club he's managed.
So before this week was in your top 10 managers you wanted? Was he in anybody's? He's very, very average.
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I don't see how we could sneer at Di Matteo. I can think of much less qualified names people have been touting (Pearson for one).
Either Moyes or Di Matteo would be a coup for where we are now. Especially Moyes.
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
So shit he's been successful at every club he's managed.
So before this week was in your top 10 managers you wanted? Was he in anybody's? He's very, very average.
To be honest, I didn't even know he was available, I thought he was at Schalke still.
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Moyes was Manager of the Year three times at Everton, though, so he can't have done that badly.
On Di Matteo, I caught a bit of TalkSport earlier and there was a German goalkeeper talking (not sure who, maybe Lutz Pfannenstiel, if anyone else heard it?) and he said that Schalke are basically known as the Unmanageables in Germany because it's such a difficult job with all the politics surrounding it and it wasn't fair to judge Di Matteo as a manager on his time there.
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
So shit he's been successful at every club he's managed.
So before this week was in your top 10 managers you wanted? Was he in anybody's? He's very, very average.
His record is not very very average though is it?
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
So shit he's been successful at every club he's managed.
So before this week was in your top 10 managers you wanted? Was he in anybody's? He's very, very average.
I hadn't really thought about him to be honest, as he hadn't been mentioned.
Do you not think he's had a successful career? What is it about him you consider average?
Have you just got your heart set on the ostrich nutcase and unwilling to give fair consideration to the merits of any other contender?
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Whoever comes in needs to restructure the footballing side of the club, Pearson did this at Leicester.
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Moyes was Manager of the Year three times at Everton, though, so he can't have done that badly.
On Di Matteo, I caught a bit of TalkSport earlier and there was a German goalkeeper talking (not sure who, maybe Lutz Pfannenstiel, if anyone else heard it?) and he said that Schalke are basically known as the Unmanageables in Germany because it's such a difficult job with all the politics surrounding it and it wasn't fair to judge Di Matteo as a manager on his time there.
And worth mentioning that even with said problems he took over with them eleventh and left with them sixth and in Europe.
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Whoever comes in needs to restructure the footballing side of the club, Pearson did this at Leicester.
My worry is that a lot of people are saying "he's the hard type, he'll knock them into shape" when we had the ultimate hard type at the club last year, Roy Keane, and none of his abrasiveness had the slightest impact.
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Davy moyes and Pearson are too old school . RDM or someone of the ilk and calibre is what's needed.
Vincento Montela or Frank De Boer would be as impressive yet RDM has already proven his success.
Monk Martinez and Rodgers would be only other football options worth taking. What is of paramount importance is the recruitment of players so the whole staff coming in needed to be efficient.
Side note I'm impressed with emry of sevilla real capable guy and he shown up flopp yesterday. Though I do like klopp his players are struggling with style and system and he 'll continue to get inconsistency from team and individuals till he gets his men in.
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
So shit he's been successful at every club he's managed.
So before this week was in your top 10 managers you wanted? Was he in anybody's? He's very, very average.
His record is not very very average though is it?
Neither was Paul Lamberts
Neither was Remi Garde's
If RDM is such a successful manager then why hasn't he been debated at any length on here? Why, when Remi Garde was removed was no one saying 'Di Matteo is the man - look at his record' now he's been linked folk are doing the usual thing of trying to justify it when in actual fact, no one gave RDM a second thought until a few days ago. We're talking about someone who was put of football for the thick end of two years after he was sacked at Chelsea. Who came knocking down his door for his services during that time?
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
So shit he's been successful at every club he's managed.
So before this week was in your top 10 managers you wanted? Was he in anybody's? He's very, very average.
I hadn't really thought about him to be honest, as he hadn't been mentioned.
Do you not think he's had a successful career? What is it about him you consider average?
Have you just got your heart set on the ostrich nutcase and unwilling to give fair consideration to the merits of any other contender?
I rate Pearson highly but there are managers id take before him but they won't come to us. Pearson ticks all the boxes for me.
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
So shit he's been successful at every club he's managed.
So before this week was in your top 10 managers you wanted? Was he in anybody's? He's very, very average.
His record is not very very average though is it?
Neither was Paul Lamberts
Neither was Remi Garde's
If RDM is such a successful manager then why hasn't he been debated at any length on here? Why, when Remi Garde was removed was no one saying 'Di Matteo is the man - look at his record' now he's been linked folk are doing the usual thing of trying to justify it when in actual fact, no one gave RDM a second thought until a few days ago. We're talking about someone who was put of football for the thick end of two years after he was sacked at Chelsea. Who came knocking down his door for his services during that time?
We're in the Championship - our choices are going to be significantly limited as a result of that.
I'm not suggesting we need to start to poke around the Warnock end of the market, far from it, just that we're more limited in our choices now.
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Whoever comes in needs to restructure the footballing side of the club, Pearson did this at Leicester.
I would have thought it was the owners too involved with a organisational restructure. I mean the king power owners said they would spend to make top 5 and wanted champions league football and they have delivered. I very much see villa happening same way and even bigger than leicestr success due to already massive statue in the football world which will only get bigger. I saw other clubs Leeds and Newcastle as two examples being annoyed and envious of our buy out. I think with the right manager villa will achieve what Leicester did within 5 years ! That's if everything falls into place
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
So shit he's been successful at every club he's managed.
So before this week was in your top 10 managers you wanted? Was he in anybody's? He's very, very average.
His record is not very very average though is it?
Neither was Paul Lamberts
Neither was Remi Garde's
If RDM is such a successful manager then why hasn't he been debated at any length on here? Why, when Remi Garde was removed was no one saying 'Di Matteo is the man - look at his record' now he's been linked folk are doing the usual thing of trying to justify it when in actual fact, no one gave RDM a second thought until a few days ago. We're talking about someone who was put of football for the thick end of two years after he was sacked at Chelsea. Who came knocking down his door for his services during that time?
We're in the Championship - our choices are going to be significantly limited as a result of that.
I'm not suggesting we need to start to poke around the Warnock end of the market, far from it, just that we're more limited in our choices now.
I understand that, and I agree with you. But I haven't seen many ambitious championship clubs sniff around RDM either.
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There is plenty of other managers who probably have not been discussed but have great pedigree or have been successful, that does not mean if they come to attention we have to ignore them.
When you compare Pearson to RDM on stats and character, RDM comes out on top.
For all your arguments other than he's not been mentioned why is he shite?
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Whoever comes in needs to restructure the footballing side of the club, Pearson did this at Leicester.
I would have thought it was the owners too involved with a organisational restructure. I mean the king power owners said they would spend to make top 5 and wanted champions league football and they have delivered. I very much see villa happening same way and even bigger than leicestr success due to already massive statue in the football world which will only get bigger. I saw other clubs Leeds and Newcastle as two examples being annoyed and envious of our buy out. I think with the right manager villa will achieve what Leicester did within 5 years ! That's if everything falls into place
I think you've been on the sauce tbh
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I have to admit, as far as I was concerned RDM had dropped off the radar completely, I never even thought about him. I think he's one of these Marmite choices, you either do or you don't.
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
So shit he's been successful at every club he's managed.
So before this week was in your top 10 managers you wanted? Was he in anybody's? He's very, very average.
His record is not very very average though is it?
Neither was Paul Lamberts
Neither was Remi Garde's
If RDM is such a successful manager then why hasn't he been debated at any length on here? Why, when Remi Garde was removed was no one saying 'Di Matteo is the man - look at his record' now he's been linked folk are doing the usual thing of trying to justify it when in actual fact, no one gave RDM a second thought until a few days ago. We're talking about someone who was put of football for the thick end of two years after he was sacked at Chelsea. Who came knocking down his door for his services during that time?
We're in the Championship - our choices are going to be significantly limited as a result of that.
I'm not suggesting we need to start to poke around the Warnock end of the market, far from it, just that we're more limited in our choices now.
I understand that, and I agree with you. But I haven't seen many ambitious championship clubs sniff around RDM either.
To be honest I thought he was still sat in his arse drawing a retainer from Chelsea.
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I understand that, and I agree with you. But I haven't seen many ambitious championship clubs sniff around RDM either.
True, but then again, we don't really know what goes on under the radar. Maybe they have? Maybe he's had lots of offers? I don't know either way.
What scares me is that we're going to wind up making an appointment of someone as they seem like "a championship manager" when that's not what we need, we need someone more able to do it at a higher level.
I'm not some sort of Di Matteo groupie, I think he'd be a good appointment but am not going to start praying or anything, but I can see the merit in it being someone like him.
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Whoever comes in needs to restructure the footballing side of the club, Pearson did this at Leicester.
I would have thought it was the owners too involved with a organisational restructure. I mean the king power owners said they would spend to make top 5 and wanted champions league football and they have delivered. I very much see villa happening same way and even bigger than leicestr success due to already massive statue in the football world which will only get bigger. I saw other clubs Leeds and Newcastle as two examples being annoyed and envious of our buy out. I think with the right manager villa will achieve what Leicester did within 5 years ! That's if everything falls into place
I think you've been on the sauce tbh
No he hasn't. Think a little deeper.
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I'm going to put it out there - Di Matteo is shit
He is basically an Italian Tim Sherwood
Although his managerial CV proves otherwise.
Still pining for Pearson I reckon.
Correct. RDM is shite
So shit he's been successful at every club he's managed.
So before this week was in your top 10 managers you wanted? Was he in anybody's? He's very, very average.
I hadn't really thought about him to be honest, as he hadn't been mentioned.
Do you not think he's had a successful career? What is it about him you consider average?
Have you just got your heart set on the ostrich nutcase and unwilling to give fair consideration to the merits of any other contender?
I rate Pearson highly but there are managers id take before him but they won't come to us. Pearson ticks all the boxes for me.
The only thing you've said that Pearson has over Di Matteo is that he has been linked with us a lot more.
You've dismissed out of hand the idea that Di Matteo has a successful record by comparing him with Lambert and Garde. For the record he has a much more impressive CV than either of them, or than Pearson.
What criteria are you judging managers by? Is it only managers who are highly linked that matter? Should we just ignore candidates' managerial history, tactical acumen, trophy count and so on and just appoint the first bloke Sky Sports News link with the job?
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Just to help out, I'm going to list all the managers who are available, who we could get, who have won the highest honour in club football and yet also have a record of having achieved what we are most hoping for, namely being promoted to the Premier League at the first attempt.
(i) Roberto Di Matteo.
List ends.
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Or Mourinho in about 11 months
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Shalke finished 6th under Di Matteo after he had from October. They finished 5th this season. He had a tough run of 2 wins in 10 to fall out of the champions league places but they were doing very well.
When he left Chelsea they had been playing ok in the league, and as we have seen this season even Mourinho can have a rough season and go out of the Champions League early there. He got Albion up first time playing some good football, and generally seems to have done well most places. I can understand why he might be under consideration. I would still prefer Moyes of course.
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Chelsea were 3rd when they got rid of Di Matteo, 23 pts from 11 games.
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Chelsea were 3rd when they got rid of Di Matteo, 23 pts from 11 games.
A points per game that would have just about won them the league last season.
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I can only think our transfer policy will be changing now. Under Hollis and Bernstein it was clearly going to be British this, British that, managers, players the lot.
Clearly Doctor Tony will be wanting to sign players from europe as most foreign owners tend to want to do and he probably won't fancy appointing an egotistic British manager who'll be signing overpriced players from here (MON, Pulis, Steve Bruce etc).
Edit: One of the better things Lerner would've said in any conversation between the two is make sure you don't appoint a manager who gets your wage bill up to 90% of your turnover or whatever ridiculous level it was around 2010.
That's maybe one of the reasons RDM has probably come onto the radar, he'll have contacts in various countries with regards player recruitment.
I'm not sure it's as cut and dried though. I wonder about Rodgers. SPL is equivalent to championship level and that's probably being generous given the impact some of their "star" players make in the leagues e.g Leigh Griffiths was struggling to score at Wolves in league one and instantly goes up to Scotland and scores 30 goals.
If he's happy enough to go up there I wonder if an exciting Villa project to rebuild the club with plenty of money to spend would tempt him even if it isn't the premier league.
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I reckon Rodgers might well be the other one he is talking about too Soccer.
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I voted Moyes back in the dim and distant but the more I think about him I worry that he's lost his lustre as far as players are concerned. When he was at Everton, without a failure on his CV, I imagine that it was easy enough for them to toe the line as he knew what he was doing. Post-Man Utd and Sociedad I can see the likes of Richards and Sinclair, at the first sign of Mr Discipline knocking on the door, thinking 'jog on. We'll wait it out till you get sacked. Again.'
And in that spirit I vote Howard Wilkinson.
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It appears that Nigel Pearson is the choice of Steve Hollis but Zia is impressed that Di Matteo
won the Champions League with Chelsea.
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I really cannot understand people justifying RDM as the best choice on the basis he is now favourite. Who selected him before he was in the frame? His wins with Chelsea were with an established team on multi million pound contracts, a totally different situation to Villa, therefore totally irrelevant.
It has to be Moyes for me. An ideal long term solution.
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I really cannot understand people justifying RDM as the best choice on the basis he is now favourite. Who selected him before he was in the frame? His wins with Chelsea were with an established team on multi million pound contracts, a totally different situation to Villa, therefore totally irrelevant.
It has to be Moyes for me. An ideal long term solution.
Who here has been saying he's the best choice? All people have really done is point out that he's achieved some pretty decent things which make any hiring reasonable - previous success with obtaining promotion from the Championship, shouldn't be out of touch with the modern game and a reputation for decent football.
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If as Dr Tone says that if we are not towards the top of the league by a certain point in the season, the Manager will be gone, especially if he does give them £20 million to spend?
Personally I would like either Moyes or Pearson,
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I have clearly stated i would prefer Moyes. I also think Rodgers is a good shout. If it came to Di Matteo or Pearson it would be a tough call as i can see the merit of Pearson but would prefer Di Matteo. People are just pointing out a guy that had got promoted won the fa cup and Champs league is a decent shout.
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I have clearly stated i would prefer Moyes. I also think Rodgers is a good shout. If it came to Di Matteo or Pearson it would be a tough call as i can see the merit of Pearson but would prefer Di Matteo. People are just pointing out a guy that had got promoted won the fa cup and Champs league is a decent shout.
I flip the first two names but agree with this. None of them are bad candidates imho.
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and there's no guarantee he (RDM) can do it again and it was a long-time ago and in vastly different circumstances - it's like saying 'well I made Revolver, or Blonde on Blonde or Pet Sounds, so of course I can scale those heights again.' I wanted Moyes but maybe he's had his day in the sun too. I hate the fucker, but right now I think Pearson would be the best fit provided their were enough checks and balances in the contract.
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I really cannot understand people justifying RDM as the best choice on the basis he is now favourite. Who selected him before he was in the frame? His wins with Chelsea were with an established team on multi million pound contracts, a totally different situation to Villa, therefore totally irrelevant.
It has to be Moyes for me. An ideal long term solution.
Who here has been saying he's the best choice? All people have really done is point out that he's achieved some pretty decent things which make any hiring reasonable - previous success with obtaining promotion from the Championship, shouldn't be out of touch with the modern game and a reputation for decent football.
He's a good starter. I'd expect him gone way before our rise to galactic domination is complete. And I'm not even sure if I'm joking!
Moyes, well, yeah, but I feel he'd want a new Everton-style project, ten years, compete in the top half, respected yet never admired, ultimately futile and trophyless. Twenty years now we've had no pots. Fuck that, I want some excitement, some glory. It's what it's all about for me. We're Aston Villa, we used to win stuff, let's get on with it. And I'm more than ready to risk the trip in a Chinese-built rocket with a payload of disposable pilots rather than a regularly serviced mondeo driven by a careful Scotsman.
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Someone on facebook has just posted a photo of themselves with RDM at Birmin g ham Airport thinking that his appointment will be unveiled shortly. However as he lives inthe Midlands then there will be obvious other reasons as to why hes there.
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From the criteria that seem to have been set (experience in the championship and in Europe) I'd guess the options are RDM, Moyes and Rodgers. Personally I think i'd go with Rodgers out of those choices.
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Given the character of the guy that now owns us, one that seems opposite to Lerner, that I think we will need a cool, calm, collected head as manager.
RDM doesn't strike me as that type of person, with his Latin temperament and all that.
I previously didn't fancy Moyes because of his dourness, but maybe from a ying to yang (no pun intended) perspective, he may be a nice solid option
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From the criteria that seem to have been set (experience in the championship and in Europe) I'd guess the options are RDM, Moyes and Rodgers. Personally I think i'd go with Rodgers out of those choices.
Xia also mentioned that Pearson was under consideration, and that it was a shortlist of 6. Think Dyche is another, not sure of the 6th.
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Wouldn't the whole 'chinkies' affair presumably count against Pearson? I know it was his son, but still...
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I hope Xi is better at making appointments than Randy was.
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I know a few evertonians through work and they all say he'd be a shit appoinment for us with his one dimensional tactics
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I'd like to think that, having sat down with all candidates and discussed in detail their plans and abilities to completely rebuild our playing squad, Tony and the board will make the correct decision for the club. I hope they won't act purely on recommendation as Lerner seemingly did.
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New Owner - Check
Stating ambitious plans - Check
Now in order
Name the Board
Name the New Manager
Name the new coaching team / set up
Start shipping out the shit
New player recruitment
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Given the character of the guy that now owns us, one that seems opposite to Lerner, that I think we will need a cool, calm, collected head as manager.
RDM doesn't strike me as that type of person, with his Latin temperament and all that.
I previously didn't fancy Moyes because of his dourness, but maybe from a ying to yang (no pun intended) perspective, he may be a nice solid option
I can't ever remember hearing of or seeing Di Matteo lose his cool. Not all Italians do - Ancelotti, Ranieri - both very calm, measured individuals. To rule someone out on the grounds of a stereotype would seem to me to not be the best idea.
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Given the character of the guy that now owns us, one that seems opposite to Lerner, that I think we will need a cool, calm, collected head as manager.
RDM doesn't strike me as that type of person, with his Latin temperament and all that.
I previously didn't fancy Moyes because of his dourness, but maybe from a ying to yang (no pun intended) perspective, he may be a nice solid option
A post full of nonsense from start to finish.
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Given the character of the guy that now owns us, one that seems opposite to Lerner, that I think we will need a cool, calm, collected head as manager.
RDM doesn't strike me as that type of person, with his Latin temperament and all that.
I previously didn't fancy Moyes because of his dourness, but maybe from a ying to yang (no pun intended) perspective, he may be a nice solid option
I can't ever remember hearing of or seeing Di Matteo lose his cool. Not all Italians do - Ancelotti, Ranieri - both very calm, measured individuals. To rule someone out on the grounds of a stereotype would seem to me to not be the best idea.
It's also forgetting that he's Swiss not Italian, Italian parents and played for Italy but born and raised in Switzerland.
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So? He's Italian.
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My post certainly wasn't meant to be offensive about RDM.
I was trying to say that maybe we need a cool, calm head to counteract Dr. X's 'enthusiasm'.
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So? He's Italian.
No he's not, he's Swiss - http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1794064.html
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I can only think our transfer policy will be changing now. Under Hollis and Bernstein it was clearly going to be British this, British that, managers, players the lot.
Clearly Doctor Tony will be wanting to sign players from europe as most foreign owners tend to want to do and he probably won't fancy appointing an egotistic British manager who'll be signing overpriced players from here (MON, Pulis, Steve Bruce etc).
Edit: One of the better things Lerner would've said in any conversation between the two is make sure you don't appoint a manager who gets your wage bill up to 90% of your turnover or whatever ridiculous level it was around 2010.
That's maybe one of the reasons RDM has probably come onto the radar, he'll have contacts in various countries with regards player recruitment.
I'm not sure it's as cut and dried though. I wonder about Rodgers. SPL is equivalent to championship level and that's probably being generous given the impact some of their "star" players make in the leagues e.g Leigh Griffiths was struggling to score at Wolves in league one and instantly goes up to Scotland and scores 30 goals.
If he's happy enough to go up there I wonder if an exciting Villa project to rebuild the club with plenty of money to spend would tempt him even if it isn't the premier league.
The more I think about, a move to Celtic would probably be a good one at this point in his career. If he does well up there and let's face it doing well is finishing above Rangers and qualifying for the group stages of the Champions League, then what is left of his reputation could remain intact. A few years of that and he would be in line for a Premier League job. If he comes to somewhere like us and fails, he would be pretty much done.
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Is this the most pointless argument of the week ? Surely he can be both Swiss and Italian and neither of which has a huge bearing on his emotional make up ? I like a national stereotype for comedy value as much as the next man, but they don't apply to individuals
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Let's hope SAF isn't bezzie mates with Dr T - the last thing we need is another benighted recommendation
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According to Pat Murphy it's down to Moyes, Pearson and RDM. And we may find out as early as next week. I'll be honest I'd be ok with any of them as long as they get the support they need to make all of the changes and investments required. We just need to get this going ASAP
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As far as the takeover is concerned we are where we are. I'm going to enjoy the change and the Chumps and see where we are at the end of next season. Hope for the best and expect the worse as they say...
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According to Pat Murphy it's down to Moyes, Pearson and RDM. And we may find out as early as next week. I'll be honest I'd be ok with any of them as long as they get the support they need to make all of the changes and investments required. We just need to get this going ASAP
As long as it's not Pearson I'll be happy with that.
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I've read all the posts and still want Sean Dyche. I would have hoped he'd have been on the Starting list of fifty and even the short list of six,
I don't think Burnley would have been keen to let us interview him but as he's been very loyal to them , left them in a great position on and off the pitch and ambitious I'm hopeful he'll have release clauses in his contract.
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of course this might not happen at all if Dr T fails the exam/test
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So? He's Italian.
No he's not, he's Swiss - http://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/newsid=1794064.html
No, he's Italian. He played for them, his parents are Italian, ergo, he's Italian.
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Di Matteo is a true polyglot. “I speak German, Italian and English. In my heart my home is Italy. I grew up in Switzerland so part of my heart is Swiss. I’ve been here now for 16 years. I’m pulled. I feel truly European. My personality is influenced by all these experiences in different countries. My father had to leave Italy and emigrate to Switzerland for work. He was an employee in a steel factory. My mum was a cleaner in some offices. We had a good childhood. We were very close as family, maybe because we were abroad.
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"I consider myself a truly European person," Di Matteo says. "I have lived 23 years in Switzerland, on and off in Italy, and 14 years in England. So I am influenced by three cultures. I feel Italian because I grew up with Italian parents and with Italian culture and tradition. They moved to a small town near Zurich where I was raised. I won the Swiss championship [with Aarau in 1993] and then moved to Italy.
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He's Italian.
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Fine, you clearly care a lot more than I do.
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Pfft. Go on, admit it. I was right and you were wrong. I like a man who can share his vulnerability.
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According to Pat Murphy it's down to Moyes, Pearson and RDM. And we may find out as early as next week. I'll be honest I'd be ok with any of them as long as they get the support they need to make all of the changes and investments required. We just need to get this going ASAP
It has to be Moyes if he is still in the running at this stage.
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if this geezer's an imposter it's going to feel great having Neil Warnock
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I wouldn't be against Swiss Rob being our manager.
Managing Aston Villa is much like making love to a beautiful woman.
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If all Di Matteo only speaks Italian, German and English it looks like we'll be stuck with Eric Black...as French interpreter. *
*Only joking
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Strike off Rodgers Just appointed Celtic manager on 12 month rolling contract
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I wouldn't be against Swiss Rob being our manager.
Managing Aston Villa is much like making love to a beautiful woman.
I wish it was. Aston Villa go down.
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Strike off Rodgers Just appointed Celtic manager on 12 month rolling contract
Well Rodgers did say he hoped his next job would be abroad.
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Moyes then. I'd fancy him buying the right Championship players needed to get us back up. First game v Preston and a 3-0 win. Absolutely nailed on ITK.
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Peter Sellers. Doesn't matter that he's dead. Just get Industrial Light and Magic in.
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Amfy's husband is a Preston fan so we had best beat them twice next season.
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Pfft. Go on, admit it. I was right and you were wrong. I like a man who can share his vulnerability.
Dual nationality? Draw?
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If all Di Matteo only speaks Italian, German and English
I expect he speaks French too. The Swiss tend to be multilingual.
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Strike off Rodgers Just appointed Celtic manager on 12 month rolling contract
Well Rodgers did say he hoped his next job would be abroad.
So Lambert triggered his release clause for nothing then. Shame.
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Gives Dortmund a straight run for Lambo if they sack Tuchel!
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If the new board goes about this right and actually does a clean sweep of all the rotten eggs in our squad, so the new gaffer can start with a clean slate, then I wouldn't mind RDM. If that isn't the case and the new man has to come in and make use of most of the squad at hand (minus the more saleable assets) then we really need someone like Pearson who has the strength of character to put these twats in their place.
My preference is Di Matteo though, I like him. He's a good guy and I think he could get us playing decent football. Pearson would probably do the same, but he's a maniac. Ultimately I would look at either as a bridge, before replacing in 2-3 years (hopefully in a good position in the top flight) with someone who could take us to the next level (Prem top 6).
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If the new board goes about this right and actually does a clean sweep of all the rotten eggs in our squad, so the new gaffer can start with a clean slate, then I wouldn't mind RDM. If that isn't the case and the new man has to come in and make use of most of the squad at hand (minus the more saleable assets) then we really need someone like Pearson who has the strength of character to put these twats in their place.
My preference is Di Matteo though, I like him. He's a good guy and I think he could get us playing decent football. Pearson would probably do the same, but he's a maniac. Ultimately I would look at either as a bridge, before replacing in 2-3 years (hopefully in a good position in the top flight) with someone who could take us to the next level (Prem top 6).
and maybe Moyes is a synthesis of these two in terms of fronting up to the squad-wankers and getting us playing reasonable football.
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If the new board goes about this right and actually does a clean sweep of all the rotten eggs in our squad, so the new gaffer can start with a clean slate, then I wouldn't mind RDM. If that isn't the case and the new man has to come in and make use of most of the squad at hand (minus the more saleable assets) then we really need someone like Pearson who has the strength of character to put these twats in their place.
My preference is Di Matteo though, I like him. He's a good guy and I think he could get us playing decent football. Pearson would probably do the same, but he's a maniac. Ultimately I would look at either as a bridge, before replacing in 2-3 years (hopefully in a good position in the top flight) with someone who could take us to the next level (Prem top 6).
and maybe Moyes is a synthesis of these two in terms of fronting up to the squad-wankers and getting us playing reasonable football.
He is, but I won't lie, Scottish managers frighten the life out of me now.
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Yeah, cos Ferguson and Shankly were shite.
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Yeah, cos Ferguson and Shankly were shite.
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks so.
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I don't know why so many people think Moyes played good football, Everton looked a good side for about 10 games a season when he was there the rest of the time they had a decent defence but struggled to create chances and relied on set pieces to get goals.
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Strike off Rodgers Just appointed Celtic manager on 12 month rolling contract
Well Rodgers did say he hoped his next job would be abroad.
And then there were two...
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I don't know why so many people think Moyes played good football, Everton looked a good side for about 10 games a season when he was there the rest of the time they had a decent defence but struggled to create chances and relied on set pieces to get goals.
Getting our set pieces right would be massive forwards move after the last five years of rubbish ...
Not that I'm particularly arguing the case for Moyes. My choice would be Eddie Howe, de Boer or Dyche.
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I don't know why so many people think Moyes played good football, Everton looked a good side for about 10 games a season when he was there the rest of the time they had a decent defence but struggled to create chances and relied on set pieces to get goals.
Getting our set pieces right would be massive forwards move after the last five years of rubbish ...
Not that I'm particularly arguing the case for Moyes. My choice would be Eddie Howe, de Boer or Dyche.
MoN was the man for set pieces.
He knew a thing or two about a thing or two when it came to that class of thing.
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I don't know why so many people think Moyes played good football, Everton looked a good side for about 10 games a season when he was there the rest of the time they had a decent defence but struggled to create chances and relied on set pieces to get goals.
For a start, give me some of that rock solid home form for years on end Everton had under Moyes.
Give me some defensive and midfield organisation. That would be very nice.
Goals from set pieces? Yes please.
I'd also take the 10 games a season thing considering I don't think we've achieved that in 5 years.
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I don't know why so many people think Moyes played good football, Everton looked a good side for about 10 games a season when he was there the rest of the time they had a decent defence but struggled to create chances and relied on set pieces to get goals.
Getting our set pieces right would be massive forwards move after the last five years of rubbish ...
Not that I'm particularly arguing the case for Moyes. My choice would be Eddie Howe, de Boer or Dyche.
MoN was the man for set pieces.
He knew a thing or two about a thing or two when it came to that class of thing.
It helped having people like Laursen and Carew in the side too.
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I don't know why so many people think Moyes played good football, Everton looked a good side for about 10 games a season when he was there the rest of the time they had a decent defence but struggled to create chances and relied on set pieces to get goals.
Getting our set pieces right would be massive forwards move after the last five years of rubbish ...
Not that I'm particularly arguing the case for Moyes. My choice would be Eddie Howe, de Boer or Dyche.
MoN was the man for set pieces.
He knew a thing or two about a thing or two when it came to that class of thing.
It helped having people like Laursen and Carew in the side too.
Very true. And players who could whip in a decent cross.
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I don't know why so many people think Moyes played good football, Everton looked a good side for about 10 games a season when he was there the rest of the time they had a decent defence but struggled to create chances and relied on set pieces to get goals.
For a start, give me some of that rock solid home form for years on end Everton had under Moyes.
Give me some defensive and midfield organisation. That would be very nice.
Goals from set pieces? Yes please.
I'd also take the 10 games a season thing considering I don't think we've achieved that in 5 years.
I didn't question it being effective, I questioned it being good football. I firmly believe that he had them playing similarly to how MON had us and at the time there were plenty of people on here complaining about the poor football. They'd take back most of the results without a thought but it doesn't mean it was good to watch.
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No it was poor wasn't it? A real missed opportunity when you look at Spurs over the period since then. We could have done what they've done, albeit it's always been harder for us to attract the star players they have done even when they've been shit
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I just want a manager that can identify a good keeper, shore up the defence and provide attacking opportunities from every area of the pitch - not too much to ask is it?
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"Everton looked a good side for about 10 games a season" - which is 9 or 10 more than we're used to at Villa in recent times.
Looking decent in the Premiership would, I'd like to think, translate well into the league below - I know that's a bit simplistic but I'd be happy to give it a go, see what happens.
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I don't know why so many people think Moyes played good football, Everton looked a good side for about 10 games a season when he was there the rest of the time they had a decent defence but struggled to create chances and relied on set pieces to get goals.
I don't remember Everton under him being Wimbledon mark II. Anyway, what is good football? Did Leicester play good football this season?
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I don't know why so many people think Moyes played good football, Everton looked a good side for about 10 games a season when he was there the rest of the time they had a decent defence but struggled to create chances and relied on set pieces to get goals.
I don't remember Everton under him being Wimbledon mark II. Anyway, what is good football? Did Leicester play good football this season?
Leicester played some great stuff on the counter attack. It was great to watch at times.
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I don't know why so many people think Moyes played good football, Everton looked a good side for about 10 games a season when he was there the rest of the time they had a decent defence but struggled to create chances and relied on set pieces to get goals.
I don't remember Everton under him being Wimbledon mark II. Anyway, what is good football? Did Leicester play good football this season?
Leicester played some great stuff on the counter attack. It was great to watch at times.
Villa were great to watch at times under MON, people moan about the quality of his football (whatever that means) but for the most part I enjoyed it and the 3points we got fairly often.
Not a huge fan of Moyes (dour and grumpy) but he is a decent manager who would do a good job.
I was underwhelmed with the prospect of Dimatteo but I am warming to the idea. He did pretty well with WBA in the championship.
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I don't know why so many people think Moyes played good football, Everton looked a good side for about 10 games a season when he was there the rest of the time they had a decent defence but struggled to create chances and relied on set pieces to get goals.
For a start, give me some of that rock solid home form for years on end Everton had under Moyes.
Give me some defensive and midfield organisation. That would be very nice.
Goals from set pieces? Yes please.
I'd also take the 10 games a season thing considering I don't think we've achieved that in 5 years.
I didn't question it being effective, I questioned it being good football. I firmly believe that he had them playing similarly to how MON had us and at the time there were plenty of people on here complaining about the poor football. They'd take back most of the results without a thought but it doesn't mean it was good to watch.
Once your team gets comfortable/secure in the league, most fans get restless and then go about demanding the team play better football. We did it with Gregory and MON, they did it with Moyes, Toon/Blackburn/West Ham did it with Fat Sam etc etc.
It's like once getting enough food on the table no longer is a struggle, people find something else to moan about, ie it's not organic, it's got gluten, it's got (topical) MSG...
So I wouldn't really take much heed of the complaints of other fans re: good football. Not yet, we need to be solid first, we need to win more than we lose or draw by whatever means necessary. By all means when we're safe clamour for change and watch us slide back down again ...
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Di Matteo in Rome for talks with Lazio according to sky.
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Good. (or obviously his agent upping the anti as he is probably attending a wedding)
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Fuck off Lazio. Appoint that twat Di Canio instead you can all have fun Nazi-saluting together.
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Di Matteo in Rome for talks with Lazio according to sky.
The first good news of today...if true.
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Yeah I'd hate to have a successful manager.
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Well, it seems the take over cant be completed until the football league ratify it.
They cant do that until we are 'officially' a championship club, which comes about in June (1st?).
So, if we are going to go with Dr.Tones choice, we won't have a new manager until after then.
A couple more weeks of this then.
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I get that but I don't get what the Premier League have to do with it, apparently they have to do a test too. What are they going to do if Dr Xia tells them to bugger off, kick us out of the Premier League?
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It's a good point, but we're Premier League until June 2nd, I think. Then we become the Football League's business.
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What are they going to do if Dr Xia tells them to bugger off, kick us out of the Premier League?
Maybe not let us back in?
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Unless they vet every owner of a promoted side I'm not sure how they can do that.
Whatever I just want the test(s) over with so we know where we stand one way or the other so we can get on with our lives and appoint a new manager.
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Moyes please. Would be a fantastic appointment and bring stability.
If he were to come, then I really would believe we'd be a top six club within 5 years, just as our new owner is hoping for.
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Moyes please. Would be a fantastic appointment and bring stability.
If he were to come, then I really would believe we'd be a top six club within 5 years, just as our new owner is hoping for.
Reading between the lines, I think this is the most likely outcome. Dr X said the other day that he's looking for experience of managing in the Championship and in Europe, plus there's the links with the ex Everton chap that seems to be on board already. He also seems the best option for long term stability and would definitely symbolise the ambition of the new owners. Even from a marketing point of view, it would be a name recognised around the world.
So expect Pearson to appointed first thing on Monday.
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After a brief few days of hope that we might get RDM I'm now convinced it's going to be that prick Pearson again.
I'd be delighted if Moe Szyslak turns up now, he was my first choice when, seemingly decades ago, Garde got the push.
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I reckon Moyes would come now. Celtic and Watford have new managers. Rafa looks like he's staying at Newcastle and Everton appear to be looking elsewhere. Where else is he gonna go?
Moyes to Villa still 14/1. I'm sticking a tenner on.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
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I get that but I don't get what the Premier League have to do with it, apparently they have to do a test too. What are they going to do if Dr Xia tells them to bugger off, kick us out of the Premier League?
If the Premier League are making Parachute Payments, I expect they have a right to know who are what the payments are going to.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
Would you have said the same about Alex Ferguson?
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
So? What does the performance of a person have to do with the nationality of their predecessors?
If you applied for a job, would they be justified in turning you down if the previous incumbent was sacked for embezzlement and incompetence and he happened to be from the same country as you?
Pick the best man for the job, regardless of nationality.
Our European Cup-winning manager was English. The next English manager we had helped get us relegated. The next one we had after that was brilliant again.
The nationality of a predecessor has no bearing whatsoever on the capability of a potential successor.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
Would you have said the same about Alex Ferguson?
Us Villa fans would have driven him out long before the F A Cup run that saved his job.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
Would you have said the same about Alex Ferguson?
Probably not with the benefit of hindsight, but, it's irrelevant as he was employed by a very successful club and would never have left so would never have been available.
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I can't believe, given our position, that, if he were interested in coming to this, still, clusterfuck of a club, people are turning their nose up at David Moyes.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
Would you have said the same about Alex Ferguson?
Us Villa fans would have driven him out long before the F A Cup run that saved his job.
I don't give a shit,
I believe Moyes is a better manager than Ferguson.
I think if Moyes came to Villa, then yes we could be the power of the English game,
he did a good job at PNE, He did a great job at Everton (could ferguson of done that?) at manure he was not given time, his my choice, but I will support whoever we get in, just that a top name manager is reason to be optimistic.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
So? What does the performance of a person have to do with the nationality of their predecessors?
If you applied for a job, would they be justified in turning you down if the previous incumbent was sacked for embezzlement and incompetence and he happened to be from the same country as you?
Pick the best man for the job, regardless of nationality.
Our European Cup-winning manager was English. The next English manager we had helped get us relegated. The next one we had after that was brilliant again.
The nationality of a predecessor has no bearing whatsoever on the capability of a potential successor.
It's my opinion, and I don't happen to think Moyes is the best man for the job either.
If he gets the job, though, he will have my, 100%, support.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
So? What does the performance of a person have to do with the nationality of their predecessors?
If you applied for a job, would they be justified in turning you down if the previous incumbent was sacked for embezzlement and incompetence and he happened to be from the same country as you?
Pick the best man for the job, regardless of nationality.
Our European Cup-winning manager was English. The next English manager we had helped get us relegated. The next one we had after that was brilliant again.
The nationality of a predecessor has no bearing whatsoever on the capability of a potential successor.
It's my opinion, and I don't happen to think Moyes is the best man for the job either.
If he gets the job, though, he will have my, 100%, support.
Fair comment Nigel, I have a different opinion, we agree on that we will support whoever is appointed, but just out of interest who would you like??
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It would be great if it was Moyes, imagine the unbridled joy of not expecting to concede from every frigging corner.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
So? What does the performance of a person have to do with the nationality of their predecessors?
If you applied for a job, would they be justified in turning you down if the previous incumbent was sacked for embezzlement and incompetence and he happened to be from the same country as you?
Pick the best man for the job, regardless of nationality.
Our European Cup-winning manager was English. The next English manager we had helped get us relegated. The next one we had after that was brilliant again.
The nationality of a predecessor has no bearing whatsoever on the capability of a potential successor.
It's my opinion, and I don't happen to think Moyes is the best man for the job either.
If he gets the job, though, he will have my, 100%, support.
That's fair enough. There are legitimate reasons for not wanting Moyes... I want him but would admit he stunk out the last two clubs he managed. However, his nationality is not a reason to reject him, as you implied in your earlier post.
It may have just been a jokey remark that I have read too much into though, in fairness!
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Whoever it is next year, it's going to be fucking weird still being in the ground with eighty minutes gone.
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It would be great if it was Moyes, imagine the unbridled joy of not expecting to concede from every frigging corner.
Imagine how you'll feel if he sorts out the throw-ins, too!
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
Would you have said the same about Alex Ferguson?
Us Villa fans would have driven him out long before the F A Cup run that saved his job.
I don't give a shit,
I believe Moyes is a better manager than Ferguson.
I think if Moyes came to Villa, then yes we could be the power of the English game,
he did a good job at PNE, He did a great job at Everton (could ferguson of done that?) at manure he was not given time, his my choice, but I will support whoever we get in, just that a top name manager is reason to be optimistic.
You are entitled to your opinion but I would imagine you part of an exclusive group in thinking that Moyes is a better manager than Ferguson. That isn't to say he is rubbish but in my view Ferguson has a claim on on being the best ever British manager but few would argue the same for Moyes.
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Looks like Di Matteo might be off to Lazio. It would be quite a coup if he snubbed them for the Villa, I'm warming to the idea now.
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Events seem to be pointing towards David Moyes, which in my opinion, would be a good indicator that the club are heading in the right direction. He's got a point to prove & we need someone with his stature.
People need to realise that in our current situation we'd be very fortunate to get him or anyone else with his experience.
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Events seem to be pointing towards David Moyes, which in my opinion, would be a good indicator that the club are heading in the right direction. He's got a point to prove & we need someone with his stature.
People need to realise that in our current situation we'd be very fortunate to get him or anyone else with his experience.
The link with the prospective incoming CEO who appointed him at Everton may well point towards Moyes also.
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Any enthusiasm for the new regime will end if Moyes walks through the door.
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I can't believe, given our position, that, if he were interested in coming to this, still, clusterfuck of a club, people are turning their nose up at David Moyes.
Neither can I.
I also can't believe Nigel Pearson is seen as such a great option.
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Any enthusiasm for the new regime will end if Moyes walks through the door.
58% on here seem to want him. He's my first choice.
I think it would be a popular appointment, the right one, who knows.
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Any enthusiasm for the new regime will end if Moyes walks through the door.
What makes you think that?
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Any enthusiasm for the new regime will end if Moyes walks through the door.
What makes you think that?
i don't see much difference between him and people like Pulis, he is a very formulaic manager with no flair or imagination.
He has failed in his last 2 positions because his brand and style are outdated.
Just my opinion.
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I can't believe, given our position, that, if he were interested in coming to this, still, clusterfuck of a club, people are turning their nose up at David Moyes.
Neither can I.
I also can't believe Nigel Pearson is seen as such a great option.
I'm quite staggered by it too, if we were to get Moyes in it would be an amazing coup given where we are.
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A 'no' to Moyes from me, too. Again, on the enthusiasm front. And not his, but mine. I'm excited by developments these last few days, and the thought of anyone, anyone slipping their feet under the desk for the next decade frankly bores me. And I think that's what Moyes would be looking to do.
I reckon the age of the dynastic manager went with Ferguson. RDM for me, with a brief, with full backing, to get us up at the first time of asking. Then do again what needs to be done next summer, and the rose garden come December, if needs be, should never be shied away from. And given the expensive fiascos of previous removals, 12month rolling contracts seem more sensible than they used to back in the day.
Whoever it is, I'd like to see every resource at the club lined up behind him.
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Moyes is nothing at all like Pulis
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
Would you have said the same about Alex Ferguson?
Us Villa fans would have driven him out long before the F A Cup run that saved his job.
I don't give a shit,
I believe Moyes is a better manager than Ferguson.
I think if Moyes came to Villa, then yes we could be the power of the English game,
he did a good job at PNE, He did a great job at Everton (could ferguson of done that?) at manure he was not given time, his my choice, but I will support whoever we get in, just that a top name manager is reason to be optimistic.
You are entitled to your opinion but I would imagine you part of an exclusive group in thinking that Moyes is a better manager than Ferguson. That isn't to say he is rubbish but in my view Ferguson has a claim on on being the best ever British manager but few would argue the same for Moyes.
your right its all opinions, I understand your argument, the manure fans wanted ferguson out when he first got there, and for the last 5 years of his reign, they wanted him out, as the money he spent and lack of success did not go un noticed by there fans, yes he won the league in his last season, but be real that was a poor team, and like this season the standard of football in the premiership has been not the Best.
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Moyes is like McLeish but just better at it. He sets a team up to be organised in defence and at set pieces and then lets the front 2/3/4 do their thing. If you have good attacking players you'll sometimes play good football that creates chances in open play but other times you'll look like you've got no idea how to score and you're just playing for the clean sheet.
If he comes in that will be effective next season and maybe for a year or 2 back in the prem but I wouldn't want him to stay much longer than that.
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From the outset, i've said Moyes or Pearson. They're both different types of manager and I think they'd both give us a decent chance of getting us back up.
Oh, and Moyes is 17/1 on Coral if anyone feels confident.
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I can't believe, given our position, that, if he were interested in coming to this, still, clusterfuck of a club, people are turning their nose up at David Moyes.
Neither can I.
I also can't believe Nigel Pearson is seen as such a great option.
I'm quite staggered by it too, if we were to get Moyes in it would be an amazing coup given where we are.
I'm with you both on the Pearson thing, the guy is an absolute wanker who people seem to want purely so the wankers in the team have to deal with a wanker in the dugout.
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I am not turning my nose up at Moyes, I just don't want him as manager, I remember the clamber for Lambert and look how that turned out!
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Moyes is nothing at all like Pulis
Indeed. Moyes brings on his creative players on 70 minutes.
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The championship this season proved being solid and organised is the best way out of it. Hull, Boro and Burnley all proved it. If we get Moyes and give him 30 million we will finish top 2 i am sure.
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From the outset, i've said Moyes or Pearson. They're both different types of manager and I think they'd both give us a decent chance of getting us back up.
Oh, and Moyes is 17/1 on Coral if anyone feels confident.
I wonder why the bookies dont fancy him
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From the outset, i've said Moyes or Pearson. They're both different types of manager and I think they'd both give us a decent chance of getting us back up.
Oh, and Moyes is 17/1 on Coral if anyone feels confident.
I wonder why the bookies dont fancy him
Odds have shortened on Sky bet 9/2
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From the outset, i've said Moyes or Pearson. They're both different types of manager and I think they'd both give us a decent chance of getting us back up.
Oh, and Moyes is 17/1 on Coral if anyone feels confident.
I wonder why the bookies dont fancy him
Odds have shortened on Sky bet 9/2
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/aston-villa/next-permanent-manager
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Any enthusiasm for the new regime will end if Moyes walks through the door.
Almost 6 out of 10 on here would disagree with you or put another way 9 out of 10 would disagree with the next favourite.
I am unsure myself and voted before the new owner was identified. Would I change my mind now, I don't know but one thing I do know is that I always support a new Villa manager and give him time and recognise the situation that he has to manage under.
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Chris Coleman is staying on as Wales manager, so he's not coming to Villa
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Pearson continues to be the only pragmatic choice
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I can't believe, given our position, that, if he were interested in coming to this, still, clusterfuck of a club, people are turning their nose up at David Moyes.
Neither can I.
I also can't believe Nigel Pearson is seen as such a great option.
I'm quite staggered by it too, if we were to get Moyes in it would be an amazing coup given where we are.
I'm with you both on the Pearson thing, the guy is an absolute wanker who people seem to want purely so the wankers in the team have to deal with a wanker in the dugout.
I think the nutter angle is overplayed, I'm attracted to Pearson because I think he's capable of rebuilding on the basis of what he did, and what I've heard from Leicester fans.
I also feel he'd have a point to prove, and that we might just be the recipients of someone who's ready to really make his name.
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Any enthusiasm for the new regime will end if Moyes walks through the door.
What makes you think that?
i don't see much difference between him and people like Pulis, he is a very formulaic manager with no flair or imagination.
He has failed in his last 2 positions because his brand and style are outdated.
Just my opinion.
I would argue that his last 2 clubs didn't give him enough time. He left Everton in rude health.
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On our way back last week, we stopped off for a beer and and we were joined by a coach load of Leicester fans. I got chatting to a couple of them who said Pearson was a fantastic manager who would get us back up.
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Im with Nige and his flock of ostriches.
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On our way back last week, we stopped off for a beer and and we were joined by a coach load of Leicester fans. I got chatting to a couple of them who said Pearson was a fantastic manager who would get us back up.
Whenever I speak to Leicester fans the feeling seems to be that he's a good manager for the upper-Championship/lower-Premier League. Which is, obviously, where we are right now as a club. I'm just not so sure I'd want him in at this moment when we seem to be starting something long-term, because he doesn't strike me as the most long-term planner ever to come into management.
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On our way back last week, we stopped off for a beer and and we were joined by a coach load of Leicester fans. I got chatting to a couple of them who said Pearson was a fantastic manager who would get us back up.
Whenever I speak to Leicester fans the feeling seems to be that he's a good manager for the upper-Championship/lower-Premier League. Which is, obviously, where we are right now as a club. I'm just not so sure I'd want him in at this moment when we seem to be starting something long-term, because he doesn't strike me as the most long-term planner ever to come into management.
That's why I don't want Moyes, he is "the the most long-term planner ever to come into management" and not only will he take his time, it will be rather dull while we wait for his 50 year plan to bear fruit.
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I can't believe, given our position, that, if he were interested in coming to this, still, clusterfuck of a club, people are turning their nose up at David Moyes.
Neither can I.
I also can't believe Nigel Pearson is seen as such a great option.
I'm quite staggered by it too, if we were to get Moyes in it would be an amazing coup given where we are.
I'm with you both on the Pearson thing, the guy is an absolute wanker who people seem to want purely so the wankers in the team have to deal with a wanker in the dugout.
I think the nutter angle is overplayed, I'm attracted to Pearson because I think he's capable of rebuilding on the basis of what he did, and what I've heard from Leicester fans.
I also feel he'd have a point to prove, and that we might just be the recipients of someone who's ready to really make his name.
He grabbed an opposition player round the throat during a game, offered to fight a fan and acted like a prize c**t with a reporter, he's definitely a nutter and his record really isn't good enough to offset it. Take away 2 months at the end of 14/15 and he'd not even be in the frame.
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On our way back last week, we stopped off for a beer and and we were joined by a coach load of Leicester fans. I got chatting to a couple of them who said Pearson was a fantastic manager who would get us back up.
Whenever I speak to Leicester fans the feeling seems to be that he's a good manager for the upper-Championship/lower-Premier League. Which is, obviously, where we are right now as a club. I'm just not so sure I'd want him in at this moment when we seem to be starting something long-term, because he doesn't strike me as the most long-term planner ever to come into management.
He's certainly left Leicester in a much better state than he found it and that's my first requirement for any appointment. Maybe he himself won't last any longer than a year or two but he's got the experience of getting a side promoted (with a record points tally, wasn't it?), how to organise behind the scenes and if he can't get his preferred people in, then he knows what to look for. He's been my preferred choice since I started finding out what Leicester fans think of him, even if it's just for a year or two before we can look for someone who can be a long-term appointment and lay down a long-term blueprint.
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I can't believe, given our position, that, if he were interested in coming to this, still, clusterfuck of a club, people are turning their nose up at David Moyes.
Neither can I.
I also can't believe Nigel Pearson is seen as such a great option.
I'm quite staggered by it too, if we were to get Moyes in it would be an amazing coup given where we are.
I'm with you both on the Pearson thing, the guy is an absolute wanker who people seem to want purely so the wankers in the team have to deal with a wanker in the dugout.
I think the nutter angle is overplayed, I'm attracted to Pearson because I think he's capable of rebuilding on the basis of what he did, and what I've heard from Leicester fans.
I also feel he'd have a point to prove, and that we might just be the recipients of someone who's ready to really make his name.
He grabbed an opposition player round the throat during a game, offered to fight a fan and acted like a prize c**t with a reporter, he's definitely a nutter and his record really isn't good enough to offset it. Take away 2 months at the end of 14/15 and he'd not even be in the frame.
Take away that two months if you please, but then don't discount the work he did for their two promotions.
And if would be folly to dismiss the work ethic and the cutting edge back room set up that has helped them deliver what they have this season.
James McArthur has one of those faces, too.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
So? What does the performance of a person have to do with the nationality of their predecessors?
If you applied for a job, would they be justified in turning you down if the previous incumbent was sacked for embezzlement and incompetence and he happened to be from the same country as you?
Pick the best man for the job, regardless of nationality.
Our European Cup-winning manager was English. The next English manager we had helped get us relegated. The next one we had after that was brilliant again.
The nationality of a predecessor has no bearing whatsoever on the capability of a potential successor.
It's my opinion, and I don't happen to think Moyes is the best man for the job either.
If he gets the job, though, he will have my, 100%, support.
That's fair enough. There are legitimate reasons for not wanting Moyes... I want him but would admit he stunk out the last two clubs he managed. However, his nationality is not a reason to reject him, as you implied in your earlier post.
It may have just been a jokey remark that I have read too much into though, in fairness!
It was a tongue in cheek remark, yes. No offence is ever taken this end of the keyboard :)
I think Ramsey was the last successful Scottish manager, and that was in the 30's
I'd have a manager from outer Mongolia if I thought he/she would take us back
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On our way back last week, we stopped off for a beer and and we were joined by a coach load of Leicester fans. I got chatting to a couple of them who said Pearson was a fantastic manager who would get us back up.
Whenever I speak to Leicester fans the feeling seems to be that he's a good manager for the upper-Championship/lower-Premier League. Which is, obviously, where we are right now as a club. I'm just not so sure I'd want him in at this moment when we seem to be starting something long-term, because he doesn't strike me as the most long-term planner ever to come into management.
That's why I don't want Moyes, he is "the the most long-term planner ever to come into management" and not only will he take his time, it will be rather dull while we wait for his 50 year plan to bear fruit.
You don't want a manager with a long term plan? I think we need to remember we've just been relegated and frankly Moyes would be a hell of a coup. He would also be an indication that the doubts around Dr Tony are maybe a little bit unfair.
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I can't believe, given our position, that, if he were interested in coming to this, still, clusterfuck of a club, people are turning their nose up at David Moyes.
Neither can I.
I also can't believe Nigel Pearson is seen as such a great option.
I'm quite staggered by it too, if we were to get Moyes in it would be an amazing coup given where we are.
I'm with you both on the Pearson thing, the guy is an absolute wanker who people seem to want purely so the wankers in the team have to deal with a wanker in the dugout.
I think the nutter angle is overplayed, I'm attracted to Pearson because I think he's capable of rebuilding on the basis of what he did, and what I've heard from Leicester fans.
I also feel he'd have a point to prove, and that we might just be the recipients of someone who's ready to really make his name.
He grabbed an opposition player round the throat during a game, offered to fight a fan and acted like a prize c**t with a reporter, he's definitely a nutter and his record really isn't good enough to offset it. Take away 2 months at the end of 14/15 and he'd not even be in the frame.
Take away that two months if you please, but then don't discount the work he did for their two promotions.
And if would be folly to dismiss the work ethic and the cutting edge back room set up that has helped them deliver what they have this season.
James McArthur has one of those faces, too.
Telling a fan to "fuck off and die" during a match wasn't really very nice, either.
This club is such a mess, the absolute last thing it needs is another fucking headcase thrown into the mix. It's already a basket case, Pearson would just make it worse.
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On our way back last week, we stopped off for a beer and and we were joined by a coach load of Leicester fans. I got chatting to a couple of them who said Pearson was a fantastic manager who would get us back up.
Whenever I speak to Leicester fans the feeling seems to be that he's a good manager for the upper-Championship/lower-Premier League. Which is, obviously, where we are right now as a club. I'm just not so sure I'd want him in at this moment when we seem to be starting something long-term, because he doesn't strike me as the most long-term planner ever to come into management.
That's why I don't want Moyes, he is "the the most long-term planner ever to come into management" and not only will he take his time, it will be rather dull while we wait for his 50 year plan to bear fruit.
You don't want a manager with a long term plan? I think we need to remember we've just been relegated and frankly Moyes would be a hell of a coup. He would also be an indication that the doubts around Dr Tony are maybe a little bit unfair.
A coup. A statement of intent. A name. Like pissing down your leg, it gives you a nice warm feeling but after that it's crap.
Villa fans swooning over Moyes reminds me of the Sunderland fans with MON. And we all know how that ended.
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While telling a fan to "fuck off and die" was not the best thing to say, the fan in question was a fucking cock for saying what he did. And it wasn't that one game either. It was over a series of games. Let's not make this all one sided.
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I can understand why people would be against Pearson. I also get why some don't fancy Moyes either. My gripe with Moyes is that his Everton teams never really starting playing until January, they always seemed to have a slow start. Pearson does seem to have a bit of arrogance which sometimes helps. Like I said, I understand the arguments against both.
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On our way back last week, we stopped off for a beer and and we were joined by a coach load of Leicester fans. I got chatting to a couple of them who said Pearson was a fantastic manager who would get us back up.
Whenever I speak to Leicester fans the feeling seems to be that he's a good manager for the upper-Championship/lower-Premier League. Which is, obviously, where we are right now as a club. I'm just not so sure I'd want him in at this moment when we seem to be starting something long-term, because he doesn't strike me as the most long-term planner ever to come into management.
That's why I don't want Moyes, he is "the the most long-term planner ever to come into management" and not only will he take his time, it will be rather dull while we wait for his 50 year plan to bear fruit.
You don't want a manager with a long term plan? I think we need to remember we've just been relegated and frankly Moyes would be a hell of a coup. He would also be an indication that the doubts around Dr Tony are maybe a little bit unfair.
A coup. A statement of intent. A name. Like pissing down your leg, it gives you a nice warm feeling but after that it's crap.
Villa fans swooning over Moyes reminds me of the Sunderland fans with MON. And we all know how that ended.
Yes but I go back to fact that we are in the Championship now. You seem
to be massively against Moyes and your basis for that is long term planning. So I'm assuming you didn't rate the job he did at Everton? Because to be honest if he managed to do anywhere near what he did at Everton with Villa we'd be in a pretty bloody good position.
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I wonder if a Villa player will wear the number 4 shirt if the deal does go through. It's a very unlucky number in Chinese culture.
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Chris Coleman is staying on as Wales manager, so he's not coming to Villa
Good
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Yes but I go back to fact that we are in the Championship now. You seem
to be massively against Moyes and your basis for that is long term planning. So I'm assuming you didn't rate the job he did at Everton? Because to be honest if he managed to do anywhere near what he did at Everton with Villa we'd be in a pretty bloody good position.
Paul, I think he would need all the time in the world to actually achieve the giddy heights of what he achieved at Everton. He's not a winner, his teams don't play to win, they play not to lose first and foremost. To get out of the Championship we need to win week in, week out. That mentality is completely alien to Moyes. He's a very safe pair of hands to grind out results and finish in the top half. Even at Man Utd he still went safety first and it was no surprise they got rid. The less said about his time in Spain the better.
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'Grind out results in the top half' again we're talking about a different division here. Also I think between 4th-6th in the Premier League on a regular basis would be a pretty startling achievement given where we currently are.
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'Grind out results in the top half' again we're talking about a different division here. Also I think between 4th-6th in the Premier League on a regular basis would be a pretty startling achievement given where we currently are.
You're assuming Moyes will completely change his philosophy because that's what will be required to get out of the Championship at first attempt. Realistically, if you're prepared to give him a couple of years to get us up then he's your man.
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Football mad colleague of mine is pals with Leicester's Andy King, who says they all loved playing for Pearson.
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Winning is what you need to be successful, be that grinding wins out or winning easily. I always find it odd that some people seem to think that the Championship operates in some sort of parallel footballing universe. It doesn't, it's a bit like the Premier League only worse and a bit like League 1 only better. There is no reason why someone who was really pretty successful in the Premier League wouldn't be more than equipped to deal with the Championship.
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Football mad colleague of mine is pals with Leicester's Andy King, who says they all loved playing for Pearson.
Seems like most of his ex players love him. Whatever the case in front of the press, he definitely unites a dressing room.
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Why did they only play well enough to finish fourteenth under him then? They won the league as soon as he fucked off.
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I'm not sure players loving the manager is necessarily a good thing.
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Why did they only play well enough to finish fourteenth under him then? They won the league as soon as he fucked off.
To be fair 14th was a bloody good finish for them in that first season up. There was also a consensus last year that they were somewhat unfortunate to be bottom, given they'd not been lacking in application, more in a bit of luck and quality at times. I'm not in any way comparing him to Ranieri either, who is a class apart in almost every aspect (not least as a person).
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I'm not sure players loving the manager is necessarily a good thing.
Not always but it's got to be more a case of a manager who commands respect and can bring a dressing room together, one way or another. Every single manager we've had since O Neill has failed dismally to do that.
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Why did they only play well enough to finish fourteenth under him then? They won the league as soon as he fucked off.
To be fair 14th was a bloody good finish for them in that first season up. There was also a consensus last year that they were somewhat unfortunate to be bottom, given they'd not been lacking in application, more in a bit of luck and quality at times. I'm not in any way comparing him to Ranieri either, who is a class apart in almost every aspect (not least as a person).
would have loved to finish 14th
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He stayed confident & consistent & resilient all season as newly promoted Leicester stayed in the bottom 3 & was proved right when it clicked, they got to grips with the Premier League & shot up the table late. Neither Moyes nor Di Matteo have any similar track record.
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He stayed confident & consistent & resilient all season as newly promoted Leicester stayed in the bottom 3 & was proved right when it clicked, they got to grips with the Premier League & shot up the table late. Neither Moyes nor Di Matteo have any similar track record.
Moyes hasn't really had that opportunity though has he?
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He stayed confident & consistent & resilient all season as newly promoted Leicester stayed in the bottom 3 & was proved right when it clicked, they got to grips with the Premier League & shot up the table late. Neither Moyes nor Di Matteo have any similar track record.
Moyes hasn't really had that opportunity though has he?
And the very last thing Villa need is to train a manager how to get promoted from Div 2.
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He stayed confident & consistent & resilient all season as newly promoted Leicester stayed in the bottom 3 & was proved right when it clicked, they got to grips with the Premier League & shot up the table late. Neither Moyes nor Di Matteo have any similar track record.
Moyes hasn't really had that opportunity though has he?
Let's hope it stays that way.
**winky thing**
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Well according to the doctor the new man will be revealed in a week and he hopes we will be happy with the choice. Between Pearson and Moyes then?
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He stayed confident & consistent & resilient all season as newly promoted Leicester stayed in the bottom 3 & was proved right when it clicked, they got to grips with the Premier League & shot up the table late. Neither Moyes nor Di Matteo have any similar track record.
Moyes hasn't really had that opportunity though has he?
And the very last thing Villa need is to train a manager how to get promoted from Div 2.
See my earlier post, you get promoted from the Championship exactly the same way you become successful in the Premier League, You win games.
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He stayed confident & consistent & resilient all season as newly promoted Leicester stayed in the bottom 3 & was proved right when it clicked, they got to grips with the Premier League & shot up the table late. Neither Moyes nor Di Matteo have any similar track record.
Moyes hasn't really had that opportunity though has he?
And the very last thing Villa need is to train a manager how to get promoted from Div 2.
See my earlier post, you get promoted from the Championship exactly the same way you become successful in the Premier League, You win games.
Which means knowing: how to get the right players, getting tactics right, how the other teams play, what the stadia & crowds are like, how to cope with 46 matches, maybe getting through play off matches and other stuff in which Pearson is a professor & Moyes is a schoolboy.
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Moyse's entire achievements are confined to winning promotion from 3rd to 2nd division with PNE as far as I know so I really don't know why he is rated so highly by the press.
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He stayed confident & consistent & resilient all season as newly promoted Leicester stayed in the bottom 3 & was proved right when it clicked, they got to grips with the Premier League & shot up the table late. Neither Moyes nor Di Matteo have any similar track record.
Moyes hasn't really had that opportunity though has he?
And the very last thing Villa need is to train a manager how to get promoted from Div 2.
See my earlier post, you get promoted from the Championship exactly the same way you become successful in the Premier League, You win games.
Which means knowing: how to get the right players, getting tactics right, how the other teams play, what the stadia & crowds are like, how to cope with 46 matches, maybe getting through play off matches and other stuff in which Pearson is a professor & Moyes is a schoolboy.
In that case, that makes Neil Warnock and Steve Bruce world-leading experts since Pearson has only managed one promotion in a fair few attempts.
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I'm confused, are we keen on Pearson because he'll terrify the players, or because they'll all love him? And we don't like Moyes because he likes to plan for the long term and makes teams difficult to beat, right? I think the week's events might be getting the better of us.
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Moyse's entire achievements are confined to winning promotion from 3rd to 2nd division with PNE as far as I know so I really don't know why he is rated so highly by the press.
He kept Everton as a dull middle of the table side on less money than Liverpool seems to be why he is rated. I dont really get it either. Its not like the football his teams play is very interesting either. In his past two jobs he has been a spectacular failure. I do wonder if Tony X just looks at the names befor ehim and see " this one won this, this one won that, that one never won anything, I will pick a winner thanks." Which seems a reasonable perspective tbf.
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Winning is what you need to be successful, be that grinding wins out or winning easily. I always find it odd that some people seem to think that the Championship operates in some sort of parallel footballing universe. It doesn't, it's a bit like the Premier League only worse and a bit like League 1 only better. There is no reason why someone who was really pretty successful in the Premier League wouldn't be more than equipped to deal with the Championship.
It could be argued it is a "parallel footballing universe" to the PL as unless you're in the top two at the end of the season, you're just making up the numbers (one of play-off teams apart). It's winner takes all. Can Moyes be a winner? I have very serious doubts.
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One promotion & a title winning squad. He only left LCFC on a matter of principle for his son. Moyes led Preston to the Division Two title in 1999-2000 and the Division One play-off final the following season. 15 years ago. I would be happy with either but Moyes has gone backwards for 2-3 seasons now.
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One promotion & a title winning squad. He only left LCFC on a matter of principle for his son. Moyes led Preston to the Division Two title in 1999-2000 and the Division One play-off final the following season. 15 years ago. I would be happy with either but Moyes has gone backwards for 2-3 seasons now.
He didn't leave on a matter of principle. He was sacked because the owners couldn't work with him, after a number of problems. Same as Milan Mandaric in his first spell, same as the owners at Hull.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11709435/Nigel-Pearson-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
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Moyse's entire achievements are confined to winning promotion from 3rd to 2nd division with PNE as far as I know so I really don't know why he is rated so highly by the press.
He kept Everton as a dull middle of the table side on less money than Liverpool seems to be why he is rated. I dont really get it either. Its not like the football his teams play is very interesting either. In his past two jobs he has been a spectacular failure. I do wonder if Tony X just looks at the names befor ehim and see " this one won this, this one won that, that one never won anything, I will pick a winner thanks." Which seems a reasonable perspective tbf.
Tony Xia spoke about bringing through the youngsters - something despite the talent he was very reluctant to do with Everton, much to the frustration of their fans.
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One promotion & a title winning squad. He only left LCFC on a matter of principle for his son. Moyes led Preston to the Division Two title in 1999-2000 and the Division One play-off final the following season. 15 years ago. I would be happy with either but Moyes has gone backwards for 2-3 seasons now.
Given what his son did and said, that's a principle which would rule him out of being hired by Tony. Fortunately for Pearson, he didn't seem to pleased by what his son did either - or you would hope.
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Moyse's entire achievements are confined to winning promotion from 3rd to 2nd division with PNE as far as I know so I really don't know why he is rated so highly by the press.
He kept Everton as a dull middle of the table side on less money than Liverpool seems to be why he is rated. I dont really get it either. Its not like the football his teams play is very interesting either. In his past two jobs he has been a spectacular failure. I do wonder if Tony X just looks at the names befor ehim and see " this one won this, this one won that, that one never won anything, I will pick a winner thanks." Which seems a reasonable perspective tbf.
'dull mid-table' sorry but finishing 4th-6th is not mid table. I'll agree that he didn't have a great time in Spain, but calling his time at Manure as a spectacular failure seems odd given how much Van Gaal has spent since going there and achieved not much more.
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One promotion & a title winning squad. He only left LCFC on a matter of principle for his son. Moyes led Preston to the Division Two title in 1999-2000 and the Division One play-off final the following season. 15 years ago. I would be happy with either but Moyes has gone backwards for 2-3 seasons now.
He didn't leave on a matter of principle. He was sacked because the owners couldn't work with him, after a number of problems. Same as Milan Mandaric in his first spell, same as the owners at Hull.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11709435/Nigel-Pearson-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
You believe what you read in the papers?! I have been told in confidence what actually happened by an insider.
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Why did they only play well enough to finish fourteenth under him then? They won the league as soon as he fucked off.
To be fair 14th was a bloody good finish for them in that first season up.
The position they've just finished in proves, conclusively, that fourteenth was about a million miles away from a "bloody good finish".
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One promotion & a title winning squad. He only left LCFC on a matter of principle for his son. Moyes led Preston to the Division Two title in 1999-2000 and the Division One play-off final the following season. 15 years ago. I would be happy with either but Moyes has gone backwards for 2-3 seasons now.
He didn't leave on a matter of principle. He was sacked because the owners couldn't work with him, after a number of problems. Same as Milan Mandaric in his first spell, same as the owners at Hull.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11709435/Nigel-Pearson-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
You believe what you read in the papers?! I have been told in confidence what actually happened by an insider.
With the greatest respect to you and your insider, until I hear other than someone I don't know quoting an unnamed source on an internet message board, then yes I would place greater credence on the widely reported version of events.
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I can see the arguments both for and against Moyes and Pearson. I wonder if Sven is also a potential for Mr Xia.
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I can see the arguments both for and against Moyes and Pearson. I wonder if Sven is also a potential for Mr Xia.
Decent shout. I could see that. Not sure I would like it, but I can see why it could happen.
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I'm confused, are we keen on Pearson because he'll terrify the players, or because they'll all love him? And we don't like Moyes because he likes to plan for the long term and makes teams difficult to beat, right? I think the week's events might be getting the better of us.
I remember Roy Keane being brought it to sort out the slackers. Didn't work.
I remember hearing Sherwood was ruthless with players and would take no prisoners after the Cup Final. Didn't work.
Does anyone think the likes of Bacuna, Gabby, Lescott, Richards etc will listen to anyone?
I'd be happy with Moyes and hopefully he'd shift the four above straight out and stop the player power which has clearly ruled BMH for years and ended up with us in this awful mess.
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One promotion & a title winning squad. He only left LCFC on a matter of principle for his son. Moyes led Preston to the Division Two title in 1999-2000 and the Division One play-off final the following season. 15 years ago. I would be happy with either but Moyes has gone backwards for 2-3 seasons now.
He didn't leave on a matter of principle. He was sacked because the owners couldn't work with him, after a number of problems. Same as Milan Mandaric in his first spell, same as the owners at Hull.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11709435/Nigel-Pearson-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
You believe what you read in the papers?! I have been told in confidence what actually happened by an insider.
With the greatest respect to you and your insider, until I hear other than someone I don't know quoting an unnamed source on an internet message board, then yes I would place greater credence on the widely reported version of events.
So by the same logic, you believed The Sun about Hillsborough for 27 years until 2 weeks last Tuesday?
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One promotion & a title winning squad. He only left LCFC on a matter of principle for his son. Moyes led Preston to the Division Two title in 1999-2000 and the Division One play-off final the following season. 15 years ago. I would be happy with either but Moyes has gone backwards for 2-3 seasons now.
He didn't leave on a matter of principle. He was sacked because the owners couldn't work with him, after a number of problems. Same as Milan Mandaric in his first spell, same as the owners at Hull.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11709435/Nigel-Pearson-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html
You believe what you read in the papers?! I have been told in confidence what actually happened by an insider.
With the greatest respect to you and your insider, until I hear other than someone I don't know quoting an unnamed source on an internet message board, then yes I would place greater credence on the widely reported version of events.
So by the same logic, you believed The Sun about Hillsborough for 27 years until 2 weeks last Tuesday?
No, because there was enough other published and eye-witness evidence to the contrary to prove the papers wrong or at least to cast doubt on their versions.
It wasn't one bloke on the internet saying "I'm in the know, trust me".
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I'm confused, are we keen on Pearson because he'll terrify the players, or because they'll all love him? And we don't like Moyes because he likes to plan for the long term and makes teams difficult to beat, right? I think the week's events might be getting the better of us.
I remember Roy Keane being brought it to sort out the slackers. Didn't work.
I remember hearing Sherwood was ruthless with players and would take no prisoners after the Cup Final. Didn't work.
Does anyone think the likes of Bacuna, Gabby, Lescott, Richards etc will listen to anyone?
I'd be happy with Moyes and hopefully he'd shift the four above straight out and stop the player power which has clearly ruled BMH for years and ended up with us in this awful mess.
Absolutely. There is so much rebuilding to do at our club, that I think it would be beyond Pearson, particularly without his backroom staff. Moyes could have his team with him (the first manager for a long time that has had that luxury) and he is a clear, sensible head that I would trust with that type of responsibility. As crucial as getting straight back up is, we need to plan for beyond that. Moyes knows what it takes to get to the top six in the Prem. That's the aim of the owner. He also has experience in Europe, which is what we're aiming for. He's exactly what we need; level headed, sustainable progress. It might not be the most exciting (although I would love to see us win games consistently for a few years on the trot), but it's the best way to get us where we want to be.
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Another one ruled out.
http://bbc.in/1Tmm72a
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It can't possibly Pearson can it?
If he were Villa's choice and Tony wants him as well, he'd be appointed regardless of who owns us in 2-3 weeks time.
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Another one ruled out.
http://bbc.in/1Tmm72a
That's a blow
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Another one ruled out.
http://bbc.in/1Tmm72a
That's a blow
There was me thinking he might be Dr T's rabbit out the hat! Can't see it working out well for him there.....
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It can't possibly Pearson can it?
If he were Villa's choice and Tony wants him as well, he'd be appointed regardless of who owns us in 2-3 weeks time.
Tony is not the new owner until the leagues deem him fit & proper so nobody would sign up, in case they do not & the eventual owner chooses a manager.
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Another one ruled out.
http://bbc.in/1Tmm72a
That's a blow
Bad move for them. Good move for the Jose Mourinho Medicine Show.
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Mourinho doesn't seem to last anywhere longer than a couple of years, even if he does tend to get success quickly in the short term. Giggs might have been a better long-term bet for them.
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Awful for some of the young players coming through there.
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Might be worth a loan bid for Rashford or Lingard. They'll never play under Mourinho.
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Moyse's entire achievements are confined to winning promotion from 3rd to 2nd division with PNE as far as I know so I really don't know why he is rated so highly by the press.
Man Utd thought that he was good enough for them. That is a pretty high recommendation, whatever you think of them.
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Moyse's entire achievements are confined to winning promotion from 3rd to 2nd division with PNE as far as I know so I really don't know why he is rated so highly by the press.
Man Utd thought that he was good enough for them. That is a pretty high recommendation, whatever you think of them.
Ferguson did. He also thought McLeish was good enough for us....
ManU's board kicked Moyes to the curb very qucikly as they realised Fergusons chosen successor wasnt good enough.
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Probably way off beam, but based on that Daily Mail article I think it could be Moyes.
According to Dr Ghost, it seems to be one from three of Pearson, Di Matteo and Moyes.
If it was Pearson, there would have been no real reason to hold back as that was the name our football board were keen on. He was keen too, apparently.Talk had even got as far as who his assistant would be. It could have all been tied up by now.
Di Matteo was an interesting one. It's not the name that many of us were calling for a few weeks back. But he has had a degree of success at any club he has been at (aside from Schalke- and you could say finishing 5th isn't dreadful for them) and he still has a house in the area.
There was a suggestion that part of the reason he was thrown overboard by the Olbiyun was that he was touting himself around for other vacancies, and there does seem to be a vaguely DOL air about the man I just cannot shake. Thinks he's doing any club a favour just by being there. His record indicates he has the talent to back it up though, unlike pigface. He was in talks with Lazio today apparently, so that could well be the end of that.
Moyes would have been my choice a few months back. And ideally back in 2010. I take the point about the style of football, but his Everton side did progress, and from about 2009 onwards had more variation than the boofball, set piece over reliance and general turgidness that characterised his earlier years.
If the stated aim is top 6 (which Dr X mentioned in one of those video clips) David Moyes practically lived in the top 6 for years. He has lower division experience too, so I'd say that box is ticked. He might have been interested in the Newcastle and Celtic jobs, but what other bigger offers would he get now? Of course, if top 3 in world football is the eventual aim (as Dr Mystery mentioned on Friday) David Moyes probably isn't the guy to deliver that.
Either way, I hope it isn't some wildcard like Graeme Souness.
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I don't think Moyes is going back to Everton. And they could have made that appointment already. Celtic was suggested but they just took Rodgers. Newcastle could now be keeping Mr Facts. And as for us, Pearson could still be who they want but for me I also think it will be Moyes. Much higher profile name for a new owner and is somewhat of the notoriety of a MON when Randy arrived.
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Moyes you would think in our current position, we would be so lucky, but again as with a few on here, I am just not sure, maybe it is the fresh memory of TSM 1 and 2, yes I know that is stupid, but I would love Dr X to just bring something different with this pick, of course as long as that something different worked.
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If RDM is believed to be talking to lazio then it's going to be Pearson or Moyes. Unless it's mourhinio
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I'm not going to turn up my nose at either
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If RDM is believed to be talking to lazio then it's going to be Pearson or Moyes. Unless it's mourhinio
He's the new Man Utd manager.
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Moyes' odds have come right in since yesterday.
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Got to be Moyes for me, I think his appointment would be a real statement of Intent from Dr T much like MON joining shortly before Randy took over.
The club needs to be rebuilt and Moyes is the man to do it, he has experience and I think his coaching team are available to join him too?
I know it has been discussed on here before that a manger doesn't need his assistants to be successful but some of them do and come as a job lot, Moyes and Steve Round are very much like that (may be more in his usual coaching team but not sure).
I do wonder if Remi would have had a better chance if his chosen assistants had come over with him too, much for the same point I wouldn't have Pearson as Walsh and the other guy are at Leicester and have signed new deals.
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His odds are coming down as there aren't many more in the frame realistically, with RDM talking to Lazio and Rodgers now at Celtic there can't be many more on the list.
Oh and Jose off to Man U of course😜
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Moyes' odds have come right in since yesterday.
Plus it's such a small market it would only take a few off here seeing the post it was 17/1 on Friday to out bets on to bring them in.
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I have no rational reason for feeling like this, he's a good manager, and we're hardly in a position to turn our noses up; but I'm going to be really disappointed if it's Moyes.
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I think Moyes would be a real coup
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Moyes is exactly what we need. Someone who will not set pulses racing but will get his hands dirty and sort the team out. He's known as a disciplinarian, which of course will be most welcome, and has a record of turning a sizable club from strugglers to top 6. Once we get top 6 we can look again but in the meantime Moyes would seem to fit like a glove.
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Moyes would be great, I'm sure it will be slightly conservative but not completely. I won't mind that. If it's Pearson, so be it, I'll have to go with it. I'm sure he will do a good job and the fact that I don't like him will have to be put to one side. I wouldn't mind RDM but I don't think it will be.
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Out of those 3, I'd take Moyes, Pearson and at a push RDM
And while there's something of the nutcase about Nigel, I think at times he may have done 'some' of it to divert pressure from the team.
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Apparently reps met Moyes on Thursday.....whoever it is needs to get the footballing structure sorted ASAP and get preseason sorted.
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Absolutely, this season, above any other, time is of the essence. All things Villa need to be expedited as soon as possible.
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Apparently reps met Moyes on Thursday.....whoever it is needs to get the footballing structure sorted ASAP and get preseason sorted.
This. We need the new man in now.
It's going to be like turning up to your house when the tenants leave but haven't looked after it.
There will be a mountain of shit that needs sorting out!
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I'm less and less sold on Moyes. I can see him doing a McLaren and end up underwhelming badly.
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Apparently reps met Moyes on Thursday.....whoever it is needs to get the footballing structure sorted ASAP and get preseason sorted.
Where has this information come from?
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I'm less and less sold on Moyes. I can see him doing a McLaren and end up underwhelming badly.
I'd be inclined to think he may have an O'Neill effect on us. Good for a couple of seasons before his lack of flexibility and slightly old-fashioned tactics begin to fail. May be enough to get us by in the Championship though.
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I'm less and less sold on Moyes. I can see him doing a McLaren and end up underwhelming badly.
I agree. I'm surprised Chris Hughton isn't on the list, or being mentioned more. I know he is already under contract and might be settled/want to complete the job at Brighton, but I see him as having all the credentials Pearson has and none of the turn offs. I think he'd sort our team out and get us up, like he did with Newcastle.
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First things first. Can he organise a side, can he buy good players and critically can he get us promoted? Moyes can do all of those and his name might help attract a slightly higher calibre of player than any of the other names linked with the job. He's not my first choice but that said we'd be a bit mad to turn our noses up at him sat bottom of the PL heading into a season in the Championship.
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I'm less and less sold on Moyes. I can see him doing a McLaren and end up underwhelming badly.
I'd be inclined to think he may have an O'Neill effect on us. Good for a couple of seasons before his lack of flexibility and slightly old-fashioned tactics begin to fail. May be enough to get us by in the Championship though.
It's a very tough division, and we need to start playing from August not from January. I wouldn't throw a wobbly if he was hired, I can see his qualities, I'm just not convinced that he guarantees promotion like others seem to be.
As it happens, I think Tony would have fired MON like the Southampton guys fired Adkins. Doesn't exactly seem as mushy and sentimental as Randy.
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Apparently reps met Moyes on Thursday.....whoever it is needs to get the footballing structure sorted ASAP and get preseason sorted.
This. We need the new man in now.
It's going to be like turning up to your house when the tenants leave but haven't looked after it.
There will be a mountain of shit that needs sorting out!
Is that Flabby showing up for pre-season?
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Moyes would still be the best bet with RDM and Pearson both good alternatives. I'd be very disappointed if it's anyone else that has been mentioned.
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Moyes now joint favourite on Skybet with DiMatteo
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I think for a new owner trying to grow a market in China, appointing "former Man United" manager might carry a little bit of weight too. Here is hoping, Moyes comes I would feel much better about Tone.
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What I said a month ago still holds good. We're in the Championship. We're the beggars that can't be choosers. We need someone who can galvanise the entire club. And we're sniffy about Moyes?
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'Galvanising' isn't the first word that springs to mind when I think of Moyes, though.
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Moyes is organised, serious, a disciplinarian and has a track record of producing solid teams.
Sounds like something we're crying out for.
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Moyes is organised, serious, a disciplinarian and has a track record of producing solid teams.
Sounds like something we're crying out for.
Yes, those are the qualities in his favour, but he also doesn't necessarily seem like the inspiring new dawn kind of guy.
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Moyes would be a great move, he'll be comfortable here and I'm confident he'll rebuild us without too much fuss. Anyway If we can believe what Dr Tony says and Moyes doesn't deliver and we are underwhelming he'll look for a new manager. MON was probably a season too many under Lerner and Lambert was bloody extremely lucky to have a job after that ridiculous spell over that infamous Christmas disaster.
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What I said a month ago still holds good. We're in the Championship. We're the beggars that can't be choosers. We need someone who can galvanise the entire club. And we're sniffy about Moyes?
The words in bold is the key to future success. Moyes is big enough to handle that. My reservations on others is I do not think they could do that.
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Moyes is organised, serious, a disciplinarian and has a track record of producing solid teams.
Sounds like something we're crying out for.
Agree. We are in a similar position to where we were last time we went down and we need a manager like Graham Taylor. I would say Moyes is probably the closest comparison out there at the moment.
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What I said a month ago still holds good. We're in the Championship. We're the beggars that can't be choosers. We need someone who can galvanise the entire club. And we're sniffy about Moyes?
I agree I think it'd be a big coup to get Moyes. He'd be a very solid manager, which is what we need at the moment, and importantly it would send a message to the rest of the English game that our new owners have ambition. Whatever people think of Moyes style, he is seen as a pretty big name. We need that.
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As I said a million pages back, his Everton team have played us off the park at Villa a number of times. Plus they always showed fight and desire. I did a statistical breakdown, and am sure his sides compared to ours in the O'Neill period scored more, conceded less and were significantly better at home.
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What I said a month ago still holds good. We're in the Championship. We're the beggars that can't be choosers. We need someone who can galvanise the entire club. And we're sniffy about Moyes?
I agree I think it'd be a big coup to get Moyes. He'd be a very solid manager, which is what we need at the moment, and importantly it would send a message to the rest of the English game that our new owners have ambition. Whatever people think of Moyes style, he is seen as a pretty big name. We need that.
agree with everything said about moyes, number one choice for me and would be a good statement of our intent
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Moyes, Pearson and De Matteo are all pretty much equal in the bookies odds as the top 3
If it is between them 3 that will be fine by me, my biggest nightmare was Pulis or Bruce so any of the above will be ok
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If we did manage to get David Moyes as manager it would be a fantastic start to the Summer. And yes indeed, what s statement of intent by the new owner.
I've always wanted it to be Moyes but thought we were never an attractive enough project.
Hopefully that is going to change.
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If we did somehow manage to persuade David Moyes to manage our clusterfuck of a football club I'd be amazed and pleasantly surprised. It would be the first piece of genuinely good news in a long time, I'm one of those not convinced by this potential new owner.
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If we did somehow manage to persuade David Moyes to manage our clusterfuck of a football club I'd be amazed and pleasantly surprised. It would be the first piece of genuinely good news in a long time, I'm one of those not convinced by this potential new owner.
Yep I think it would indicate that the positive claims of Dr Tony are based in fact.
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As I said a million pages back, his Everton team have played us off the park at Villa a number of times. Plus they always showed fight and desire. I did a statistical breakdown, and am sure his sides compared to ours in the O'Neill period scored more, conceded less and were significantly better at home.
I don't doubt that and certainly not the last part, given how much of a proponent of counter-attacking football O'Neill was. Randy has tried to bring in Moyes on at least two occasions, so for him to be the first appointment after he had left would be a little ironic.
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Moyes will only come here if he has money to spend. Something that was missing when Lerner approached him.
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Any manager would love to have the "promoted and then top finish" on their CV - that is the proof that they are just not setting some amazing players on 11 positions
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
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Looking at past tables for the Championship, two points per game will almost certainly earn automatic promotion; and on occasion, quite a few points lower than that can be enough. With that in mind, it seems more about being able to accumulate points at a steady rate, while minimising the duration of the dry stretches, rather than actually having to be some sort of relentless winning machine.
On that basis, that seems to me to suit Moyes: the impression I've always gotten from him is that his teams are structured in a way to maximise the possibility of earning at least one point; and then be ready push forward from that whenever the three points are there for the taking (and they usually will be at home, especially against Championship-level sides). That sort of mindset is never going to yield particularly high points totals, but it does mean the floor is set pretty high.
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There would also be a different set of rules that govern how he would have to manage in the Championship vs PL. the mandate for him or anyone else would be promotion so he would need to be aggressive in order to achieve that. For much of his time at Everton as it is still with most clubs, the priority is staying in the league. He still created solid if unspectacular sides which when we get back we can complain about in earnest. Right now he'd do just fine.
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We don't just need a decent manager, we need one with a strong personality, and who will rebuild this club from the ground up.
Of the three names mentioned, Moyes strikes me as the obvious one.
What's more, we have just been relegated, we are going to need to try to remain relevant and high profile. Appointing Moyes would certainly achieve that. Moyes and Benitez managing in the championship would make for a very interesting season
I'm amazed some are turning their nose up at him.
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Is there really any other choice from the three that appear to be shortlisted? I mean really?
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
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On that basis, that seems to me to suit Moyes: the impression I've always gotten from him is that his teams are structured in a way to maximise the possibility of earning at least one point; and then be ready push forward from that whenever the three points are there for the taking (and they usually will be at home, especially against Championship-level sides). That sort of mindset is never going to yield particularly high points totals, but it does mean the floor is set pretty high.
That's very similar to what I read about him from Everton fans. Everybody is left confused and frustrated with his team selection, he prefers to play it safe and contain the opposition for 70/75 minutes, then bring on the creative players (you thought should have started the game) to try and win it.
If he does come here I hope he loses the tag he earned at Everton of 'Dithering Dave' due to the time it takes him to complete a transfer. Apparently he's extremely, extremely thorough. Ideally we'd have most of our new squad together for the start of pre-season but don't count on it with Moyes. I wonder if that was one of the reasons his Everton sides always seemed to start the season so poorly?
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
You would've hated Ron Saunders.
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One other thing with Moyes, Everton were notoriously strict with player medicals.
It would be nice to sign a player who didn't miss half of his first season through injury.
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
Ron was a winner. Moyes won nothing nowt with Everton and bored their fans stupid.
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
You would've hated Ron Saunders.
Ron was neither dour or boring. He was dry and funny with it.
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Cautios, stubborn, indecisive and dull.
Maybe just what we need, maybe we don't have much choice.
The reason he was chosen as Siralex successor was on the basis he would slot in with the allready established back room staff.
He didn't, they could not work with him and they left, he then bought in his old cronies who attempted to turn Utd into Everton and we saw how that ended up.
He was useless and completely out of his depth in Spain with fans and players turning on him.
Somehow he is now our saviour.
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To us maybe. Other fans considered him dour. I'm sure we would get to like Moyes if he won a few games.
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
You would've hated Ron Saunders.
Ron was neither dour or boring. He was dry and funny with it.
I bet the non Villa world thought he was dour and boring.
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
You would've hated Ron Saunders.
Ron was neither dour or boring. He was dry and funny with it.
and successfull, his teams were not exactly dull either.No comparison.
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
You would've hated Ron Saunders.
Ron was neither dour or boring. He was dry and funny with it.
and successfull, his teams were not exactly dull either.No comparison.
Prior to Villa he won a second division title at Norwich. Hardly successful before the masterstroke he pulled off with us. Sometimes things just need to align and they did for him with us.
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6 top 6 finishes in 11 seasons for Moyes, broke the Champions League stranglehold of certain clubs, goal difference of +98 for his last 7 seasons there. We would be doing very well to get Moyes to drop down in to the Championship, it would be a huge statement of intent. His rep has taken a blow at Man Utd and Sociedad, he wont be risking failure here, he'll know very well what he's got to work with. If he joins, Xia and Villa mean business.
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David Moyes considering formal offer to become Aston Villa's next manager
David Moyes is the firm favourite to take over at Villa Park this summer
The former Manchester United boss is mulling over whether to take the job
Roberto Di Matteo and Nigel Pearson are also candidates for the position
By LAURIE WHITWELL FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 14:16 GMT, 22 May 2016 | UPDATED: 14:21 GMT, 22 May 2016
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David Moyes has become the front runner to become the next manager of Aston Villa according to sources, with the former Manchester United boss considering a formal offer to take the reins.
Three potential candidates for the job have been confirmed in an exclusive interview with owner-in-waiting Tony Xia: Roberto Di Matteo, Nigel Pearson and Moyes.
Xia has declined to say which of the trio has been offered the job but it is understood Moyes is in the driving seat.
David Moyes is the favourite to take over at Aston Villa and is mulling over a formal contract offer
Moyes is represented by his agent brother, Kenny, who is believed to be negotiating the terms and conditions under which his sibling would take the post.
Sources say Xia’s representatives held lengthy face-to-face talks with Moyes at the former Everton manager’s home on Thursday night.
The principle consideration for Xia is hiring a man he believes can get Villa promoted from the Championship as soon as possible, a feat Di Matteo and Pearson have both proved they can do, with West Brom and Leicester respectively.
But Xia also wants a manager capable of being part of his Villa project longer-term, firstly getting them back up, then stabilising them, then making a push for Europe.
Moyes is believed to have outlined his case that he could need to build three Villa sides, one to achieve each of those goals, and his detailed thinking made an impression.
The key issue now is whether he believes the summer could throw up a more immediate opportunity at a Premier League club, and whether he considers waiting for such a chance is a risk.
Pearson was the preferred candidate selected by outgoing chairman Steve Hollis, while Di Matteo also impressed Xia's advisors but is reportedly in talks with Lazio.
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To us maybe. Other fans considered him dour. I'm sure we would get to like Moyes if he won a few games.
I never cared what other fans thought, I loved him.
Any manager that starts winning a few games I'm sure we'll like. I just want a manager that can get us promoted next season. Then ideally that manager can keep us up for a season. After that we can have a rethink.
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We don't just need a decent manager, we need one with a strong personality, and who will rebuild this club from the ground up.
Of the three names mentioned, Moyes strikes me as the obvious one.
What's more, we have just been relegated, we are going to need to try to remain relevant and high profile. Appointing Moyes would certainly achieve that. Moyes and Benitez managing in the championship would make for a very interesting season
I'm amazed some are turning their nose up at him.
I'm not turning my nose up at him and I think he'd be capable of getting us back up and fixing the defence which has been fundamentally broken for 4 years. I do, however, think he's got a very obvious glass ceiling and I believe the football wouldn't be the most eye-catching. Additionally he would be coming on the back of 2 high profile failures and that can affect people in ways you might not predict.
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
You would've hated Ron Saunders.
Ron was neither dour or boring. He was dry and funny with it.
and successfull, his teams were not exactly dull either.No comparison.
Prior to Villa he won a second division title at Norwich. Hardly successful before the masterstroke he pulled off with us. Sometimes things just need to align and they did for him with us.
it is legitimate to compare his time with Everton and Rons time with us, in FAct it isn't because there is no comparison and it was pretty idiotic for someone to bring the great mans name into a debate about Moyes.
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Get it done!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3603372/David-Moyes-considering-formal-offer-Aston-Villa-s-manager.html
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Years of shiteness to be replaced by complete dullness. Meh.
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Or years of comical defending, poor concentration, no shape or organisation, players ruling the roost and getting beaten, replaced by actually having a game plan and drilled players.
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David Moyes considering formal offer to become Aston Villa's next manager
David Moyes is the firm favourite to take over at Villa Park this summer
The former Manchester United boss is mulling over whether to take the job
Roberto Di Matteo and Nigel Pearson are also candidates for the position
By LAURIE WHITWELL FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 14:16 GMT, 22 May 2016 | UPDATED: 14:21 GMT, 22 May 2016
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David Moyes has become the front runner to become the next manager of Aston Villa according to sources, with the former Manchester United boss considering a formal offer to take the reins.
Three potential candidates for the job have been confirmed in an exclusive interview with owner-in-waiting Tony Xia: Roberto Di Matteo, Nigel Pearson and Moyes.
Xia has declined to say which of the trio has been offered the job but it is understood Moyes is in the driving seat.
David Moyes is the favourite to take over at Aston Villa and is mulling over a formal contract offer
Moyes is represented by his agent brother, Kenny, who is believed to be negotiating the terms and conditions under which his sibling would take the post.
Sources say Xia’s representatives held lengthy face-to-face talks with Moyes at the former Everton manager’s home on Thursday night.
The principle consideration for Xia is hiring a man he believes can get Villa promoted from the Championship as soon as possible, a feat Di Matteo and Pearson have both proved they can do, with West Brom and Leicester respectively.
But Xia also wants a manager capable of being part of his Villa project longer-term, firstly getting them back up, then stabilising them, then making a push for Europe.
Moyes is believed to have outlined his case that he could need to build three Villa sides, one to achieve each of those goals, and his detailed thinking made an impression.
The key issue now is whether he believes the summer could throw up a more immediate opportunity at a Premier League club, and whether he considers waiting for such a chance is a risk.
Pearson was the preferred candidate selected by outgoing chairman Steve Hollis, while Di Matteo also impressed Xia's advisors but is reportedly in talks with Lazio.
This is to good to be true, fuck the fuckers, this is THE MAN!!!
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Or years of comical defending, poor concentration, no shape or organisation, players ruling the roost and getting beaten, replaced by actually having a game plan and drilled players.
Quality post
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I would be happy with either Pearson or Moyes.Both of them are strong on discipline .Both however will want to be sure that Dr Zia is the real deal before they sign anything .
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Well I'd be over the moon if we get Moyes. Think he's exactly what we need right now. And if it happens I'll be switching my vote from 'Nope' to 'Yep' on the positive about Recon poll.
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I really really doubt that Moyes would be the man to build the next three Villa sides. He could build the next one, to get us up, and that would be great and is all we need think about. However, if Xia really does want us to be competing in the top 6 in today's league I have massive doubts.
However, cross that bridge if we come to it. Moyes would be a lot better than most of the suggested names!
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We have to establish ourselves again as a solid PL team. Not one where the defeat is guaranteed before kick off. I would happily accept 6th through 9th over the next few years once we get back up. Let's worry about the next jump at that point.
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I agree. I don't think Xia would be as sentimental as Randy if it isn't working. That said, Randy has fired an amazing number of managers.
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I agree. I don't think Xia would be as sentimental as Randy if it isn't working. That said, Randy has fired an amazing number of managers.
For being massive expensive mistakes. It would be quite the thing for us to change manager because we need to progress to the next level of our ambition.
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Well I'd be over the moon if we get Moyes. Think he's exactly what we need right now. And if it happens I'll be switching my vote from 'Nope' to 'Yep' on the positive about Recon poll.
I voted Moyes when the poll started and I'm still convinced he is the best man available to us.
In the somewhat less binary Recon poll in my head, I am slowly moving from Pessimistic But Not Panicking Yet towards Cautiously Optimistic.
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We don't just need a decent manager, we need one with a strong personality, and who will rebuild this club from the ground up.
Of the three names mentioned, Moyes strikes me as the obvious one.
What's more, we have just been relegated, we are going to need to try to remain relevant and high profile. Appointing Moyes would certainly achieve that. Moyes and Benitez managing in the championship would make for a very interesting season
I'm amazed some are turning their nose up at him.
My thoughts too. Moyes has been my preferred choice since Garde left.
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Yes I to wanted Moyes from the off, I along with a lot on here wanted Moyes when the noisy minority were shouting for Garde, well now we showing signs of professionalism, in trying to get a proper recognised manager in, Dr X pull this off, and you will quell a lot of the doubters.
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Yes I to wanted Moyes from the off, I along with a lot on here wanted Moyes when the noisy minority were shouting for Garde, well now we showing signs of professionalism, in trying to get a proper recognised manager in, Dr X pull this off, and you will quell a lot of the doubters.
There was no noisy minority shouting for Garde. But given the actual choices at the time, who wanted to come to us, Garde was a good choice once it was suggested and the appointment made.
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I was one of the minority that wanted Garde but, I don't recall being noisy about it, it was my opinion on a forum that encourages diverse opinions. And, I don't think my daughter would be impressed with having to pull Dr Xia off!
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Sexy football?
First step: stop being the reserve comedy act at Bill Smart's.
Second step: get promoted however it's done.
Third step: evaluate and move on
Moyes for steps 1 & 2. Give him a chance at step 3.
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I agree. I don't think Xia would be as sentimental as Randy if it isn't working. That said, Randy has fired an amazing number of managers.
For being massive expensive mistakes. It would be quite the thing for us to change manager because we need to progress to the next level of our ambition.
I would hope we'd become a club who did that rather than remained loyal to a nice but inadequate guy who did well up to a point. Maybe Moyes will be that guy, but that wouldn't be so bad because it would have meant actually doing well up to that point, i.e. promotion.
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Sexy football?
First step: stop being the reserve comedy act at Bill Smart's.
Second step: get promoted however it's done.
Third step: evaluate and move on
Moyes for steps 1 & 2. Give him a chance at step 3.
yep nice summary. And while we could appoint other managers who might be able to do 1 and 2, none would come with Moyes instant credibility in the game.
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I agree. I don't think Xia would be as sentimental as Randy if it isn't working. That said, Randy has fired an amazing number of managers.
For being massive expensive mistakes. It would be quite the thing for us to change manager because we need to progress to the next level of our ambition.
I would hope we'd become a club who did that rather than remained loyal to a nice but inadequate guy who did well up to a point. Maybe Moyes will be that guy, but that wouldn't be so bad because it would have meant actually doing well up to that point, i.e. promotion.
I do like the Southampton approach for that reason. Or even, dare I say it West Ham. We need to get there and ideally the same bloke can keep pushing us on. But we shouldn't be afraid of change to keep us progressing.
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As I've said before, I feel Moyes' last two jobs aren't necessarily indicative of his ability. Anybody walking into the Utd job after Ferguson, was on a hiding to nothing. Even an international class and well renowned manager such as LVG has struggled to stamp his authority there. I reckon Mourinho was/is probably the only one with big enough kahunas to remould that club while Fergies spectre remains.
As for his stint in Spain, I thought it was a bad move from the off, what with the language and cultural barriers, not to mention the difference in football philosophy between here and Spain.
I accept the argument that trophy-wise his CV looks sparse, but let's not forget the consistent top six Premier League finishes on a limited (though not as limited as some would have you believe) budget.
Honestly, considering the season we've had this is not only a no-brainer, it's actually a coup we'd be idiotic to miss out on.
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Well if those are the three candidates (come on now, no Bielsa Dr.X?) I would be happy enough with any of them.
It is nice to have some transparency into the process.
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Sexy football?
First step: stop being the reserve comedy act at Bill Smart's.
Second step: get promoted however it's done.
Third step: evaluate and move on
Moyes for steps 1 & 2. Give him a chance at step 3.
My take on it also.
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If we appoint Moyes it would indicate that the good doctor is serious about this and has convinced both him from a football perspective and a money man in Hollis. That will go a long way to satisfying some of the uncertaintiy.
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Yes I to wanted Moyes from the off, I along with a lot on here wanted Moyes when the noisy minority were shouting for Garde
Not that he was an option available to us at that point or anything.
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We don't just need a decent manager, we need one with a strong personality, and who will rebuild this club from the ground up.
Of the three names mentioned, Moyes strikes me as the obvious one.
What's more, we have just been relegated, we are going to need to try to remain relevant and high profile. Appointing Moyes would certainly achieve that. Moyes and Benitez managing in the championship would make for a very interesting season
I'm amazed some are turning their nose up at him.
Once again, Paulie thinks exactly the same as I do.
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
You would've hated Ron Saunders.
Ron was neither dour or boring. He was dry and funny with it.
and successfull, his teams were not exactly dull either.No comparison.
Prior to Villa he won a second division title at Norwich. Hardly successful before the masterstroke he pulled off with us. Sometimes things just need to align and they did for him with us.
it is legitimate to compare his time with Everton and Rons time with us, in FAct it isn't because there is no comparison and it was pretty idiotic for someone to bring the great mans name into a debate about Moyes.
Ron was a great manager for us , then he lost the plot relegating Blues and West Brom , Moyes was a good manager for Everton , then he lost the plot at Man U and Real Sociedad
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I think the general consensus is he was unable to dictate the narrative at United for a variety of well documented reasons - as for Real, who knows, but he isn't the first British manager to crash and burn in the Spanish sun.
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Sexy football?
First step: stop being the reserve comedy act at Bill Smart's.
Second step: get promoted however it's done.
Third step: evaluate and move on
Moyes for steps 1 & 2. Give him a chance at step 3.
Spot on.
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From an article towards the end of Moyes stint at Everton :
"They are one of just six clubs, along with Swansea, Wigan, Newcastle, Reading and Arsenal, to record a profit in that time, in Everton's case £12.3m, and if you tot up the figures going all the way back to Moyes's appointment in March 2002 his importance becomes even more stark. Everton's average net spend per season in the Moyes years comes in at a mere £803,000. Compare that with Aston Villa's average of £10.8m over the past decade, Stoke's £7.8m and Sunderland £7.6m and their corresponding league positions: Everton pushing for a Champions League place until recently; Villa, Stoke and Sunderland fighting relegation."
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/may/04/david-moyes-everton
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
You would've hated Ron Saunders.
Ron was neither dour or boring. He was dry and funny with it.
and successfull, his teams were not exactly dull either.No comparison.
Prior to Villa he won a second division title at Norwich. Hardly successful before the masterstroke he pulled off with us. Sometimes things just need to align and they did for him with us.
it is legitimate to compare his time with Everton and Rons time with us, in FAct it isn't because there is no comparison and it was pretty idiotic for someone to bring the great mans name into a debate about Moyes.
Ron was a great manager for us , then he lost the plot relegating Blues and West Brom , Moyes was a good manager for Everton , then he lost the plot at Man U and Real Sociedad
Then he got the Blues promoted with one of the worst squads they have ever had. Thats how good he was.
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I really really doubt that Moyes would be the man to build the next three Villa sides. He could build the next one, to get us up, and that would be great and is all we need think about. However, if Xia really does want us to be competing in the top 6 in today's league I have massive doubts.
However, cross that bridge if we come to it. Moyes would be a lot better than most of the suggested names!
well Xia and Moyes sounds better than Lerner and Black already ;)
and If we do appoint Moyes within the next week , I am sure it will look like Dr Xia is the real thing
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Desperately want Moyes, I still think however he is a step too far for us to aspire too right now.
I am now looking at Nigel Pearson and despite my reservations as to his anger management (well we all have that to a certain degree) - would take him on the basis that again he knows the division and what it will take to take us back to the premiership.
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
You would've hated Ron Saunders.
Ron was neither dour or boring. He was dry and funny with it.
and successfull, his teams were not exactly dull either.No comparison.
Prior to Villa he won a second division title at Norwich. Hardly successful before the masterstroke he pulled off with us. Sometimes things just need to align and they did for him with us.
it is legitimate to compare his time with Everton and Rons time with us, in FAct it isn't because there is no comparison and it was pretty idiotic for someone to bring the great mans name into a debate about Moyes.
Ron was a great manager for us , then he lost the plot relegating Blues and West Brom , Moyes was a good manager for Everton , then he lost the plot at Man U and Real Sociedad
Then he got the Blues promoted with one of the worst squads they have ever had. Thats how good he was.
Then got them relegated again, with Altrincham and the Stripeys for an encore. He was a great manager for us but a disaster afterwards.
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
You would've hated Ron Saunders.
Ron was neither dour or boring. He was dry and funny with it.
and successfull, his teams were not exactly dull either.No comparison.
Prior to Villa he won a second division title at Norwich. Hardly successful before the masterstroke he pulled off with us. Sometimes things just need to align and they did for him with us.
He also got Norwich and then Man city to the League Cup Final when it actually meant a bit more than it does now.
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I don't think Moyes will find a bigger job than Aston Villa this summer. And we won't find a more established or reputable manger than him.
Or more dour and boring.
You would've hated Ron Saunders.
Ron was neither dour or boring. He was dry and funny with it.
and successfull, his teams were not exactly dull either.No comparison.
Prior to Villa he won a second division title at Norwich. Hardly successful before the masterstroke he pulled off with us. Sometimes things just need to align and they did for him with us.
it is legitimate to compare his time with Everton and Rons time with us, in FAct it isn't because there is no comparison and it was pretty idiotic for someone to bring the great mans name into a debate about Moyes.
Ron was a great manager for us , then he lost the plot relegating Blues and West Brom , Moyes was a good manager for Everton , then he lost the plot at Man U and Real Sociedad
Then he got the Blues promoted with one of the worst squads they have ever had. Thats how good he was.
Then got them relegated again, with Altrincham and the Stripeys for an encore. He was a great manager for us but a disaster afterwards.
You see Dave that's where I disagree with you, I think Sir Ron carried on being the Great manager, to mess the noses up and then the bitters was outstanding work.
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To be fair after Goodwin the Blues went through managers like smarties - Saunders was outstanding from day 1 for us.
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If Moyes joins us, does that mean evil Dr.X has duped him as well?
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If we get a good manager in (I'd class Moyes as such) then it's further evidence there's a credible plan behind things.
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I'd be more than happy with David Moyes as Manager. Give him the money to get us back up. He is no one's fool and won't stand for the sort of crap that Black and Garde had to put up with either. His own coaching team appears to be available too with Round and Neville still unattached. I know that this is yet another Scot, but I think Moyes has more about him than the others and will make us tough to beat. If we can do what Everton did, (Lotus) Villa Park will become a fortress again.
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Telegraph now chipping in, within the last hour:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/22/david-moyes-the-strong-favourite-for-aston-villa-job-after-scot/
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This is getting interesting now. It could be a really good week.
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I would love it if we get Moyes. Love it.
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This is getting interesting now. It could be a really good week.
Let's hope so. We may have to start a new thread 'When will we make our first signing?' or 'How quickly can David Moyes spend the £430m?'
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If Moyes joins us, does that mean evil Dr.X has duped him as well?
No, he will have been threatened by sharks with frikkin' lasers!!!
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As long as Neville doesn't come along with him, I'm happy.
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As long as Neville doesn't come along with him, I'm happy.
Why? Shouldn't he be allowed to bring who he wants as staff?
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I don't want to be misunderstood, so I'll start off by saying that I think Moyes is a very good candidate for the immediate job that needs doing. He'll do it in his own way, about which more later, but I'm sure he can get us organised, focused and promoted, which is the most important thing. Make no mistake, we're in Purgatory at the moment, and need to get out of it as soon as possible, and nothing else matters this season.
That said, I couldn't help but notice the remit looking very long-term, and many people on here have also talked about how Moyes will help us by building foundations for the future, and reorganise the club top to bottom. Well, frankly, this is the bit I don't think he's qualified for. Everything we've heard about Moyes' training style, everything we know about his style of football, is *exactly* the kind of old-fashioned mediocrity we've been so desperate to get away from since MON. If this is the chance to build a new club, why not do it like Swansea or Bournemouth? The Championship has proved a good nursing ground for this kind of football recently (just look at Boro). If we are looking for someone long-term in whose image we can build a new footballing identity as a club, then a team that looks chronically like Moyes may well get us up, but then will get us nowhere, and I'm extremely confident about that.
Like I say, I don't want to be misunderstood. I'm not against the appointment of Moyes as such, and considering some of the other options I'd drive him to VP myself - hell, I'd piggy back him and his massive suitcase all the way from San Sebastian. That said, everyone knows that our biggest problem as a club in recent years has been lurching from one footballing style to another, with no plan and no joined-up thought. Given that Moyes won't deliver us top 6 (and I'm sorry, I'm as sure as I can be that he wouldn't), hiring him would mean, sooner or later, another lurch in another direction, and no doubt a massive squad overhaul to go with it. Let's cross that bridge if and when we come to it, but that's why I'm not as overjoyed about Moyes as others.
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Isn't Phil Neville still at Valencia?
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As long as Neville doesn't come along with him, I'm happy.
Why? Shouldn't he be allowed to bring who he wants as staff?
Don't mind me Toronto - it's just my own personal distaste for all things man utd. I'll back whoever is brought in.
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Steve Round isn't in a job right now I don't think, guessing he's nailed on as assistant.
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I don't want to be misunderstood, so I'll start off by saying that I think Moyes is a very good candidate for the immediate job that needs doing. He'll do it in his own way, about which more later, but I'm sure he can get us organised, focused and promoted, which is the most important thing. Make no mistake, we're in Purgatory at the moment, and need to get out of it as soon as possible, and nothing else matters this season.
That said, I couldn't help but notice the remit looking very long-term, and many people on here have also talked about how Moyes will help us by building foundations for the future, and reorganise the club top to bottom. Well, frankly, this is the bit I don't think he's qualified for. Everything we've heard about Moyes' training style, everything we know about his style of football, is *exactly* the kind of old-fashioned mediocrity we've been so desperate to get away from since MON. If this is the chance to build a new club, why not do it like Swansea or Bournemouth? The Championship has proved a good nursing ground for this kind of football recently (just look at Boro). If we are looking for someone long-term in whose image we can build a new footballing identity as a club, then a team that looks chronically like Moyes may well get us up, but then will get us nowhere, and I'm extremely confident about that.
Like I say, I don't want to be misunderstood. I'm not against the appointment of Moyes as such, and considering some of the other options I'd drive him to VP myself - hell, I'd piggy back him and his massive suitcase all the way from San Sebastian. That said, everyone knows that our biggest problem as a club in recent years has been lurching from one footballing style to another, with no plan and no joined-up thought. Given that Moyes won't deliver us top 6 (and I'm sorry, I'm as sure as I can be that he wouldn't), hiring him would mean, sooner or later, another lurch in another direction, and no doubt a massive squad overhaul to go with it. Let's cross that bridge if and when we come to it, but that's why I'm not as overjoyed about Moyes as others.
Moyes Everton finishes were 7, 17, 4, 11, 6, 5, 5, 8 7, 7, 6. His all of 5 minutes at Man U, still achieved Champions League quarter final. He was also given only 12 months at Sociedad. Given our desperate situation, this would be a dream appointment for me.
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I don't want to be misunderstood, so I'll start off by saying that I think Moyes is a very good candidate for the immediate job that needs doing. He'll do it in his own way, about which more later, but I'm sure he can get us organised, focused and promoted, which is the most important thing. Make no mistake, we're in Purgatory at the moment, and need to get out of it as soon as possible, and nothing else matters this season...
I know what you mean Monty. As you say, there is an opportunity here to really adopt a new sort of ethos at the club, a more progressive approach. And while I have a lot of time for Moyes, and I would most certainly welcome him as a capable manager, there's something vaguely MON-esque about him. To me, he's a bit conservative.
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I think the point that we're poised to appoint the ex-Everton CEO as part of the new board is a likely indicator that it could well be Moyes.
I know some have said it would be a huge coup but we're still Aston Villa. Hopefully not the poor imitation that we've been for the last few years either.
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I don't want to be misunderstood, so I'll start off by saying that I think Moyes is a very good candidate for the immediate job that needs doing. He'll do it in his own way, about which more later, but I'm sure he can get us organised, focused and promoted, which is the most important thing. Make no mistake, we're in Purgatory at the moment, and need to get out of it as soon as possible, and nothing else matters this season...
I know what you mean Monty. As you say, there is an opportunity here to really adopt a new sort of ethos at the club, a more progressive approach. And while I have a lot of time for Moyes, and I would most certainly welcome him as a capable manager, there's something vaguely MON-esque about him. To me, he's a bit conservative.
The thinking man's Alex McLeish.
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I'm with Monty, That Everton finishes can be looked at as a huge success or you can see them hitting a plateau. The argument will be that he needed money but when he got that he just played the same way and got sacked from the biggest job he'll ever get. Then he went to Spain and tried to play the same way and failed. The only slight counter I've got is that he does seem capable of spotting good attacking players that can be better than he makes them, that quality would be the important one if he joins, how long do we let him pick players he can't use properly before we replace him with someone to push us forward?
2-3 seasons of Moyes is ok as a means of getting us back up and getting us settled back in the league, after that we'd need to look very carefully at how we go forward (I'm basing this in the aspiration of being a top side, if we really mean that then Moyes has a limited lifespan.
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All Scots jokes aside, Moyes was my first choice and despite taking on the poisoned chalice of Utd and a hiding to nothing trying to take his managerial style to Spain, I think he's got more than what it takes to do a good job here. If he fails it would mean yet another dour manager from North of the border and we'll all be performing superstitious rituals at every mention of the term TSM. But lets face it, Moyes achieved a great deal at Everton. A lot of which has been undone by Martinez, who was seen as a more "progressive" manager, and given a transfer budget well beyond what Moyes was ever given.
Is his footballing style as dour as some make out? Not really. He's neither exciting nor dreary to me. He's someone in the middle. They can grind out results but by the same token they did play some reasonable stuff for Moyes at times. He did have flair players. He did make good use of them. He played to peoples strengths. Arteta was good to watch for Moyes. Pienaar was when he first joined. Baines marauding down the left in his prime was quality. Cahill and Fellaini weren't pretty to watch but very effective.
For me, Moyes is more of a statement of intent than the others. It puts out a stronger message. Does he still have it? We'll see but a gig like this is ideal for him. You start afresh in the championship. You should be winning a lot of games and if we go up you've then got a sleeping giant on your hands. 3-4 years time? We could be back in the dizzying heights of the top 6. One thing Moyes does well is identify players with the right attitude to build a good team. Granted I think Pearson does that, but I think though Nigel would do well for us, he'd do so for a couple of years before inevitably falling afoul of the board and being binned. Moyes is potentially a 5+ year manager who might build something. We need to be tough to beat for a start. He will make that happen.
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I'm with Monty, That Everton finishes can be looked at as a huge success or you can see them hitting a plateau. The argument will be that he needed money but when he got that he just played the same way and got sacked from the biggest job he'll ever get. Then he went to Spain and tried to play the same way and failed. The only slight counter I've got is that he does seem capable of spotting good attacking players that can be better than he makes them, that quality would be the important one if he joins, how long do we let him pick players he can't use properly before we replace him with someone to push us forward?
2-3 seasons of Moyes is ok as a means of getting us back up and getting us settled back in the league, after that we'd need to look very carefully at how we go forward (I'm basing this in the aspiration of being a top side, if we really mean that then Moyes has a limited lifespan.
I wonder what Moyes might have done had he been given the funds Martinez was given. If Moyes ever lacked one thing it was a top striker. Saha and Yakubu had their moments but were always injured. That said I think he may have had to sign someone like Lukaku just to stay still given the competitive nature of the top 6.
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Without doubt whoever comes in will need to rebuild the playing aspect. No if's and butts there. Moyes did it with Everton who were rocking when they sacked Walter Smith and brought him in. At United he was treated diabolically bit like their present intentions. No one lasts in Spain so wouldn't pay an iota of attention to Valencia.
He has the contacts, he has the know how, what more do people want?
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I wonder what Moyes might have done had he been given the funds Martinez was given.
Probably spend it all on defenders and a holding midfielder. ;)
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No one lasts in Spain so wouldn't pay an iota of attention to Valencia.
I don't think anybody is for obvious reasons.
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I wonder what Moyes might have done had he been given the funds Martinez was given.
Probably spend it all on defenders and a holding midfielder. ;)
Well with Distin approaching 50 and Phil Neville retiring, probably. ha ha.
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I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.
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I'm with Monty, That Everton finishes can be looked at as a huge success or you can see them hitting a plateau. The argument will be that he needed money but when he got that he just played the same way and got sacked from the biggest job he'll ever get. Then he went to Spain and tried to play the same way and failed. The only slight counter I've got is that he does seem capable of spotting good attacking players that can be better than he makes them, that quality would be the important one if he joins, how long do we let him pick players he can't use properly before we replace him with someone to push us forward?
2-3 seasons of Moyes is ok as a means of getting us back up and getting us settled back in the league, after that we'd need to look very carefully at how we go forward (I'm basing this in the aspiration of being a top side, if we really mean that then Moyes has a limited lifespan.
Ahem. Second, thankyouverymuchindeedy. And tongue not fully lodged in cheek, either. To return this club to where it was 20 years ago, given where it is now, is a monumental job.
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Most of the time that Moyes was at Everton was before the big increase in TV money. I would say trying to break in to the top four then was more difficult with the Sky 4 Super Sunday teams taking the CL places nearly every season, with the advantage of the revenue gained. I would say that since Man City have come along and the increased TV money, it has been easier to break the monopoly.
However, having said that, I think the best years of Moyes have already gone. I still think that he has the best reputation of the managers we could get at this time. Until we get back towards the upper reaches of the PL, the progressive modern managers will be out of our reach.
I am struggling to see any of the managers in the pole having that extra to get us into the top 6.
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I'm with Monty, That Everton finishes can be looked at as a huge success or you can see them hitting a plateau. The argument will be that he needed money but when he got that he just played the same way and got sacked from the biggest job he'll ever get. Then he went to Spain and tried to play the same way and failed. The only slight counter I've got is that he does seem capable of spotting good attacking players that can be better than he makes them, that quality would be the important one if he joins, how long do we let him pick players he can't use properly before we replace him with someone to push us forward?
2-3 seasons of Moyes is ok as a means of getting us back up and getting us settled back in the league, after that we'd need to look very carefully at how we go forward (I'm basing this in the aspiration of being a top side, if we really mean that then Moyes has a limited lifespan.
I wonder what Moyes might have done had he been given the funds Martinez was given. If Moyes ever lacked one thing it was a top striker. Saha and Yakubu had their moments but were always injured. That said I think he may have had to sign someone like Lukaku just to stay still given the competitive nature of the top 6.
If he was given significantly more funds than that I suspect he'd buy Fellaini, spend half a summer trying to get Baines and then get Mata in January and play him as a right winger. You can say a lot about him being harshly treated by Man U and having a squad that had won the title on the strength of Fergie's will alone but the simple fact is that he didn't really give them any other option but to sack him.
Once again, I'm largely playing devil's advocate here because I genuinely think he'd be a good choice for a couple of seasons, I just think some of the gushing about how brilliant he'd be is a little over the top for a guy who's only honour is a 3rd division title 16 years ago.
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I'm sure people would be of the moon if we got Poch or Koeman and neither of them have a honours list to boast about either.
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Good points. I dont really rate Moyes as the kind of football I want to see us play, but I cant deny he is a big manager name and it would be a statement of intent if Tony X gets him.
It would be refreshing to have a manager join us who is clearly not a gamble on an up and comer like our past three managers.
I would still be over the moon with a genuinely exciting appointment like Bielsa but its probably too much to ask for him to drop down a level I suppose.
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I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.
Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.
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I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.
Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.
We got a take before where there was lots of talk about breaking into the top 4, after 3 top 6s in the first four years this site was full of people complaining about MON. That's the point, Moyes for 2-3 seasons would be ok, after that is the problem.
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I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.
Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.
We got a take before where there was lots of talk about breaking into the top 4, after 3 top 6s in the first four years this site was full of people complaining about MON. That's the point, Moyes for 2-3 seasons would be ok, after that is the problem.
If we can believe anything we hear in the press Moyes has said there will be 3 transitions, I'm sure from what Dr Tony has said if he does not fulfil the targets he'll be out the door. Hopefully the Dr is going to want more and more like us fans too.
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In our position I really doubt we'd be able to attract a manager who can get us promoted, in to the top 6 and then make the step on from that. He'd be some manager.
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I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.
Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.
This may interest you, Everton fans discuss the possibility of Moyes returning to Goodison. Clicky (https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/moyes-patiently-waiting.87389/)
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I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.
Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.
This may interest you, Everton fans discuss the possibility of Moyes returning to Goodison. Clicky (https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/moyes-patiently-waiting.87389/)
Those Evertonian responses would mirror ours if we were linked with O'Neill again.
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I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.
Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.
This may interest you, Everton fans discuss the possibility of Moyes returning to Goodison. Clicky (https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/moyes-patiently-waiting.87389/)
"Stabilised us but couldn't take us any further"
I'd take the stabilising he did for them in a heartbeat and so, I'd guess, would any rational Villa supporter.
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The defensive thing just doesn't wash with stats either.
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The glass ceiling of the Premier League top six feels like a fantasy galaxy far, far away at the moment and one that sounds rather appealing.
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It is interesting this idea of defensive and dour football. Apart from 1 season where they averaged jut over a goal a game at home, in nearly every season he was at Everton they were over 1.5 goals on average at home each week, with his last 4-5 seasons edging up over 1.7. In 6 of those seasons they would have been safe from home points alone pretty much, with a further 2 over 30 points in that time. Defensively they were exceptional too.
For all the worry about his style of play, and formations, and being rigid, if he came here it would be a massive coup, because he is a very, very good manager and could be very stabilising in the long term. Any manager that can come in and get us over 30 points a season at home to start with gets my vote.
Going back to the shots think Chicago raised, between 06 and 12, his team averaged over 10 shots at goal per game at home scoring around 33 a season, only dipping below 30 once in that time. By contrast, we only nudged over 30 once in that time. Basically, compared to what we have seen in the last even 10 years, Moyes has done better, with at times less resources, and scored more goals while conceding less doing it. He is 53 in a couple of weeks. If we don't get him this time, we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
I posted this a while back. Moyes' teams were more entertaining than MONs were on goals scored etc and much better at home.
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I don't want to be misunderstood, so I'll start off by saying that I think Moyes is a very good candidate for the immediate job that needs doing. He'll do it in his own way, about which more later, but I'm sure he can get us organised, focused and promoted, which is the most important thing. Make no mistake, we're in Purgatory at the moment, and need to get out of it as soon as possible, and nothing else matters this season...
I know what you mean Monty. As you say, there is an opportunity here to really adopt a new sort of ethos at the club, a more progressive approach. And while I have a lot of time for Moyes, and I would most certainly welcome him as a capable manager, there's something vaguely MON-esque about him. To me, he's a bit conservative.
The thinking man's Alex McLeish.
That sums him up pretty well.
I think his strength at Everton was to build a solid platform, which admittedly never looked like threatening the top 4 on a year by year basis. The caveat, a big one, is that he rarely had the opportunity to buy more than one £10m+ player each window (nowadays £20+ players) whereas hopefully the new chap can provide this 'war chest'. Therefore I think it is unfair to say he has a natural ceiling as he's never really had the opportunity t demonstrate otherwise (I do not count Man U).
More importantly, give him a four year deal, and if he's close to the perceived ceiling he'll have done an incredible job.
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I thought Everton didn't score many under him? The season they finished 4th especially, didn't they only score 40 goals or something?
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"hope we are looking to be better than 5/6 type. Team"
Good for them - we are in the Championship, with the poorest squad of all the relegated teams.
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I thought Everton didn't score many under him? The season they finished 4th especially, didn't they only score 40 goals or something?
They seemed to win every game 1-0 that season, and not concede too many if they lost. That said, whilst they were never prolific (we've rarely been) but he got them effective with set pieces and started to get a lot of goals from their midfield.
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They scored 45, same number as us that season.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
Exactly no we don't want another Scottish. Randy mentioned Bannockburn, that may well be by the by for some people, but me, I couldn't give a fuck, dont want no more Scottish rangers pricks at my Villa
Fuck off Scotland until you agree that this is United Kingdom.
Then I will accept you.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
Exactly no we don't want another Scottish. Randy mentioned Bannockburn, that may well be by the by for some people, but me, I couldn't give a fuck, dont want no more Scottish rangers pricks at my Villa
Fuck off Scotland until you agree that this is United Kingdom.
Then I will accept you.
Div comment of the month.
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Either way, the last 7 season under Moyes they had a GD of +98. I'll have a bit of that for a few years, don't give a shit if we aren't scoring 2/3 a game, I'm sick of getting tonked and looking like they're playing with a hangover.
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Oh Dear.
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"hope we are looking to be better than 5/6 type. Team"
Good for them - we are in the Championship, with the poorest squad of all the relegated teams.
I can't see Everton attracting the sort of manager who'll push them to threaten the big boys. They've been one of those sides to threaten it with a 4th and a couple of 5ths but never quite maintain or progress from there. If they think someone like Mourinho is gonna waltz in and have them in the Champions League every year they're deluded. They could do a lot worse than getting Moyes again. But by the same token...never go back. But turning their nose up? That's getting a bit above themselves. I think a wider polling though would be a bit different. He's probably very well thought of there still I'd imagine. Martinez may have caught the eye in his first season, but he doesn't do stability. Moyes did.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
Exactly no we don't want another Scottish. Randy mentioned Bannockburn, that may well be by the by for some people, but me, I couldn't give a fuck, dont want no more Scottish rangers pricks at my Villa
Fuck off Scotland until you agree that this is United Kingdom.
Then I will accept you.
Remember that final warning you got?
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In our position I really doubt we'd be able to attract a manager who can get us promoted, in to the top 6 and then make the step on from that. He'd be some manager.
Two years ago I doubt anyone would've thought that a combination of Pearson and Ranieri would gain promotion, miraculously escape relegation AND win the league.
We're still a big club. I think Moyes, di Matteo, Rodgers (I know he's off), etc.. is about our caliber. More than ever money talks.
I just don't want to drown in the lower leagues for long. Get a high level manager in with this new found vision of Dr. X before it turns sour.. again.
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But from 06/7 onwards, they scored 52, 55, 55, 60, 51, 50. More than us in all pretty much despite the MON spending.
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The glass ceiling of the Premier League top six feels like a fantasy galaxy far, far away at the moment and one that sounds rather appealing.
It's NOT a glass ceiling! We could get there if we were good enough. A glass ceiling is one where we can't get there because of race, sex, religion or any other non-competency based criteria.
Grr.
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In our position I really doubt we'd be able to attract a manager who can get us promoted, in to the top 6 and then make the step on from that. He'd be some manager.
Two years ago I doubt anyone would've thought that a combination of Pearson and Ranieri would gain promotion, miraculously escape relegation AND win the league.
We're still a big club. I think Moyes, di Matteo, Rodgers (I know he's off), etc.. is about our caliber. More than ever money talks.
I just don't want to drown in the lower leagues for long. Get a high level manager in with this new found vision of Dr. X before it turns sour.. again.
We definitely have to do it right. It seems that Benetiz may well stay at Newcastle which will undoubtedly push them as clear favourites.
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But from 06/7 onwards, they scored 52, 55, 55, 60, 51, 50. More than us in all pretty much despite the MON spending.
Frustrating as we had that one season when we were third highest scorers. We were deadly at set pieces that year.
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If Moyes is appointed, I would feel as I did with MO'N. The biggest point was that it meant we were obviously getting a new owner who had the funds to attract MO'N. So if we get Moyes, to me it means we have real backing.
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If Moyes is appointed, I would feel as I did with MO'N. The biggest point was that it meant we were obviously getting a new owner who had the funds to attract MO'N. So if we get Moyes, to me it means we have real backing.
That's how I'd feel, but I'd also hope the long term planning and contingencies are far better. This is where the right board appointments will be key and I hope Little is kept on for starters.
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If we signed him as gaffer I think it would be some coup. I think belief and optimism would course through the squad. Something that has been missing for some time. I'd actually feel he is someone who could fashion a team that could make an assault on promotion, without spunking money around Willy nilly. I think he would then be in a strong place to build a team on the up. I don't want to build my hopes up until I see a stretched shirt
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I think Moyes has been lined up for some time. When he was a pundit for one of the TV games he said that he would wait until the end of the season before making a decision on his future.
I think Bernstein and King departed when Xia made his move. Up until then Lerner had all but given up on being able to sell and had Hollis set the club up to be run by football people and he brought in Bernstein, Little, Bevington and King. Bernstein and King left not because of Xia but because Lerner had gone back on the idea of trying to run the club properly and jumped at the chance of selling.
The last couple of months have been spent putting together the deal and I would even question if there have been any other serious bidders. It looks as though it is all coming together now.
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As if some people are worrying about being confined to the top 6. Has the last 5 seasons not happened? To be a premier league club not fighting relegation would be a success. We can sort out pushing for world domination another time.
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As if some people are worrying about being confined to the top 6. Has the last 5 seasons not happened? To be a premier league club not fighting relegation would be a success. We can sort out pushing for world domination another time.
Which is exactly what I didn't want people to think I was saying.
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Moyes is clearly a cut above RDM and Pearson. Whether we land him or not will tell us a lot about our new Chinese overlord. For those dissing Moyes, who else is out there, realistically with a better record to sort out our situation?
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As if some people are worrying about being confined to the top 6. Has the last 5 seasons not happened? To be a premier league club not fighting relegation would be a success. We can sort out pushing for world domination another time.
I think that's it, the idea that Moyes perceived ceiling is a problem for Villa at the moment is just bizarre.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
Exactly no we don't want another Scottish. Randy mentioned Bannockburn, that may well be by the by for some people, but me, I couldn't give a fuck, dont want no more Scottish rangers pricks at my Villa
Fuck off Scotland until you agree that this is United Kingdom.
Then I will accept you.
Div comment of the month.
Unfortunately he's got several in the last week that make that look like Proust reviewing Chaucer.
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even though I'm not a massive Moyes fan, I realise that to attract him to join a championship club is a huge, huge coup.
There has to be a reason for that, and that gives me real expectation that the road back may not be too far away.
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A big no for Moyes.
Do we really want another Scotsman?
I can't remember a successful Scot manager at VP in my lifetime.
Exactly no we don't want another Scottish. Randy mentioned Bannockburn, that may well be by the by for some people, but me, I couldn't give a fuck, dont want no more Scottish rangers pricks at my Villa
Fuck off Scotland until you agree that this is United Kingdom.
Then I will accept you.
Div comment of the month.
Unfortunately he's got several in the last week that make that look like Proust reviewing Chaucer.
Can't we just give him a free transfer.
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Moyes won't need to go on holiday now either! He can get cracking straight after being announced instead of jetting off to Benidorm for his preseason break. He can start by ditching Party Reilly.
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Does anyone have any idea when the new manager will be announced?
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If Moyes is appointed, I would feel as I did with MO'N. The biggest point was that it meant we were obviously getting a new owner who had the funds to attract MO'N. So if we get Moyes, to me it means we have real backing.
I agree with that. I'll add that Moyes is less likely to bankrupt the club, compared to MON, as his forte seemed to be promoting players like cahill, coleman, jaglielka rather than signing established players on high wages.
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When were we declared bankrupt? I must have missed that.
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Isn't it nice to be debating the merits of managers that have won things or finished in the top 6 and dreaming of rising again rather than worry and argue over if Potato head or Mick McCarthy are coming in and having to find a spot for Gabby.
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Does anyone have any idea when the new manager will be announced?
I imagine it will be very soon after he passes the league background check. I reckon the manager thing is pretty tied up and it will be Moyes.
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Isn't it nice to be debating the merits of managers that have won things or finished in the top 6 and dreaming of rising again rather than worry and argue over if Potato head or Mick McCarthy are coming in and having to find a spot for Gabby.
Yes, yes it is.
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Moyes does seem to have a better eye for a player than most managers - http://footballburp.com/lists/top-20-david-moyes-signings-for-everton/. Especially good at taking players from Championship clubs which might be useful - Cahill, Baines, Stones, Bent etc.
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Moyes does seem to have a better eye for a player than most managers - http://footballburp.com/lists/top-20-david-moyes-signings-for-everton/. Especially good at taking players from Championship clubs which might be useful - Cahill, Baines, Stones, Bent etc.
Some cracking bargains in there - £60k for Coleman, £2m for Arteta, £4m for Jagielka, £6m for Baines, £1.5m for Cahill, £3m for Stones, £5m for Mirallas. A little bit of that would do nicely when rebuilding the squad.
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Isn't it nice to be debating the merits of managers that have won things or finished in the top 6 and dreaming of rising again rather than worry and argue over if Potato head or Mick McCarthy are coming in and having to find a spot for Gabby.
My brother is the manager at PWS's new favourite convenience store, and converses often with another regular at said establishment. To protect identities, let's call him Hary Wags. Hary, with his ITK, reckoned that Garde would be gone before Bournemouth, and that potato-head was replacing him.
Seems like a different lifetime now.
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I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.
Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.
This may interest you, Everton fans discuss the possibility of Moyes returning to Goodison. Clicky (https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/moyes-patiently-waiting.87389/)
"Stabilised us but couldn't take us any further"
I'd take the stabilising he did for them in a heartbeat and so, I'd guess, would any rational Villa supporter.
That's about the level of my expections with Moyes. If he can get us up and get things organised on and off the pitch we'll be in a good place to take the next step. With the money that's been talked about available, it shouldn't take a genius to sort it out. I just hope the new board realise that the legacy of MON was not the fairytale some seem to think. A smart board and an accountable manager would be a massive improvement.
Despite the many shortcomings I think Moyes has, it's his experience more than anything we're paying for. It's up to him to find the strength and desire to drive the club forward at a pace that he may find challenging.
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Let's not talk about this as if it is a done deal yet. Dr Ghost could spook us all by appointing Alan Curbishley or Phil Orange.
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I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.
Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.
This may interest you, Everton fans discuss the possibility of Moyes returning to Goodison. Clicky (https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/moyes-patiently-waiting.87389/)
"Stabilised us but couldn't take us any further"
I'd take the stabilising he did for them in a heartbeat and so, I'd guess, would any rational Villa supporter.
That's about the level of my expections with Moyes. If he can get us up and get things organised on and off the pitch we'll be in a good place to take the next step. With the money that's been talked about available, it shouldn't take a genius to sort it out. I just hope the new board realise that the legacy of MON was not the fairytale some seem to think. A smart board and an accountable manager would be a massive improvement.
Despite the many shortcomings I think Moyes has, it's his experience more than anything we're paying for. It's up to him to find the strength and desire to drive the club forward at a pace that he may find challenging.
Exactly. Let's say in a four year period, he can take us up and get us firmly established in the top ten, but he hits a wall. If there is strong financial backing up at the club, we will then be looking at the calibre of manager who should be able to take us to the next step. For example, I've heard names such as De Boer, Emery (Sevilla manager) and Jochim Loew being linked with the Everton job. That's the calibre we could be looking at then. Moyes is ideal for where we are now (in my opinion of course!).
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As others have said my only concern with Moyes is for the longer term and can he really push into the upper reaches of the Premier League if and when we get there. I just hope we've all learnt from the MON era when I think many of us myself included were blinded to his weaknesses. I'd like to think I could spot that type of glass ceiling again.
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As others have said my only concern with Moyes is for the longer term and can he really push into the upper reaches of the Premier League if and when we get there. I just hope we've all learnt from the MON era when I think many of us myself included were blinded to his weaknesses. I'd like to think I could spot that type of glass ceiling again.
Exactly. To revisit history a little, imagine the candidates we would have been looking at had Lerner and Faulkner called time on O'Neill at the start of the summer instead of him walking out towards the end if it. We had just finished sixth and been to a Wembley final. Lerner proved that next season that he was still willing to spend. We could have attracted some good names.
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Let's put a clause in Moyes contract. On the occasion of successive sixth place PL finishes, we reserve the right to be whiny ingrates.
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That's going to be one bloody long contract. I'd prefer a rolling one year contract.
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He won't get us sixth.
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He won't get us sixth.
Hello Mystic Meg. We've been expecting you...
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He won't get us sixth.
Hello Mystic Meg. We've been expecting you...
Topical.
Anyway, it's just a guess like anything else, but I think his shot at being a real top-level manager is over. Not that he needs to be for us, mind.
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He won't get us sixth.
Hello Mystic Meg. We've been expecting you...
On loan from the Remain campaign ;)
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He won't get us sixth.
Hello Mystic Meg. We've been expecting you...
On loan from the Remain campaign ;)
No wonder you want Moyes, he'd keep us out of Europe no problem. *winking whatnot*
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He won't get us sixth.
Hello Mystic Meg. We've been expecting you...
On loan from the Remain campaign ;)
No wonder you want Moyes, he'd keep us out of Europe no problem. *winking whatnot*
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Project Fear. No matter how shit things have been, they can only get worse if we change.
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5 times 6th or better and 3 times 7th in 10 years. Given time think 6th is exactly where he would get us.
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"There's a glass ceiling with Moyes at top 6". Sorry have I Tim travelled or are we a team in the Championship having fought relegation for 5 years? Some perspective here I suggest.
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Constant top 6 and a good home record will do fine for a while
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I'm happy that we are going to be bigger than Barcelona.
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You know sometimes someone visits another club's forum and reports back how deluded they are, with various choice quotes?
Someone's definitely doing that to this thread. Glass ceiling at 6th. Man alive
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Let's hope Dave's not reading - or if he is he's, simply looking at the top line poll figures. some of these comments reveal why we sometimes get the 'deluded fans' bad press comments . Top six in the PL? I wish!
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You know sometimes someone visits another club's forum and reports back how deluded they are, with various choice quotes?
Someone's definitely doing that to this thread. Glass ceiling at 6th. Man alive
Why? Our new owner has a stated aim of getting us back to that point and getting regular European football. Given that I think it's fair to look at the candidates and see if they'd be capable of delivering in that context as well as where we are. " of the biggest critics of Moyes in the last few pages have myself and monty and both of us have said that he's fine for where we are but the worry is how we'd handle him when he reaches the point that he's capped at before and how much of the squad he created would be suitable to go on to the next level.
If someone from another club comes on and thinks that deserves us taking the piss then so be it but it is a valid discussion.
On top of that, my other worry, as I've said all along, is that the Moyes we'd be getting isn't the same guy that Everton had but rather a guy who has failed at the biggest job he'll ever get and failed in his first attempted comeback. I'm not saying this should block the move completely but we shouldn't pretend it isn't a risk.
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How about we worry about the next level when (if) we hoist ourselves out of the mire we're currently in? Any incoming manager has a huge task on his hands just to stop us sinking further. The notion that Moyes could even consider dropping down a division to be with us is hugely encouraging. It could be so much worse.
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You know sometimes someone visits another club's forum and reports back how deluded they are, with various choice quotes?
Someone's definitely doing that to this thread. Glass ceiling at 6th. Man alive
Why? Our new owner has a stated aim of getting us back to that point and getting regular European football. Given that I think it's fair to look at the candidates and see if they'd be capable of delivering in that context as well as where we are. " of the biggest critics of Moyes in the last few pages have myself and monty and both of us have said that he's fine for where we are but the worry is how we'd handle him when he reaches the point that he's capped at before and how much of the squad he created would be suitable to go on to the next level.
If someone from another club comes on and thinks that deserves us taking the piss then so be it but it is a valid discussion.
On top of that, my other worry, as I've said all along, is that the Moyes we'd be getting isn't the same guy that Everton had but rather a guy who has failed at the biggest job he'll ever get and failed in his first attempted comeback. I'm not saying this should block the move completely but we shouldn't pretend it isn't a risk.
The argument that Moyes may not be able to repeat what he did at Everton is a legitimate one and there should be some concerns about this. However, the idea that we should worry that he will only make us into a top six Premier League side is bizzare.
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Some people don't realise we are in the Championship next season and getting out is not going to be easy or a formality. Reality check.
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Some people don't realise we are in the Championship next season and getting out is not going to be easy or a formality. Reality check.
Are we? Someone should have said.
Attracting someone other than a McCarthy, Bruce or Phil Brown to a Championship side will take some doing even if it's Villa these days.
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Some people don't realise we are in the Championship next season and getting out is not going to be easy or a formality. Reality check.
Are we? Someone should have said.
Attracting someone other than a McCarthy, Bruce or Phil Brown to a Championship side will take some doing even if it's Villa these days.
Yes. I agree...sarcasm aside. See you up the Witton for Burton Albion!
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How about we worry about the next level when (if) we hoist ourselves out of the mire we're currently in? Any incoming manager has a huge task on his hands just to stop us sinking further. The notion that Moyes could even consider dropping down a division to be with us is hugely encouraging. It could be so much worse.
Completely agree. If we finish 12th in the premier league in two, or even three, years time I'll be delighted.
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There isn't a manager we could realistically appoint from where we are now that would tick all of the desirable boxes of
1. some experience of the championship
2. should be capable of keeping us up if we get promoted
3. should be capable of establishing us as an upper mid table side
4. should be capable of challenging at the very top if funding is available.
Moyes comfortably ticks the first 3 boxes and right now achieving 1 and 2 are the most important. Just winning more than we lose will buy him a bit of time. Also it's not like we're talking about excising our eyeballs with pointy sticks to appoint Pulis. His teams might not be fantastic to watch, but they're infinitely better than anything we've had to endure since the last couple of months of Houllier/Mcallister, with the exception of a couple of games under Nice but Tim.
Ironically if Benitez stays at Newcastle they might just have the best bet to get up the table and stay there, if they can get out at the first attempt.
Moyes? Not the most exciting prospect from a footballing perspective right now, based on his Everton teams, but should be more than capable of building a team to get us up and comfortably stay up.
He should also tick the biggest box on the checklist. Someone with the experience and gravitas to sort out whatever the hell is going on behind the scenes and either despatch the likes of Richards and Agbonlahor in record time or at least knock them into shape so that they aren't disruptive influences so that we've actually got a squad that will pull together.
Unless there's a real left field candidate out there that we'd be mad to turn down like Unai Emery is suddenly desperate to move to England, Moyes is the obvious, albeit safe choice.
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One moment Nige is in vogue then last week It was RDM and suddenly David Moyes has made a comeback.Next week.....who knows?
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Some people don't realise we are in the Championship next season and getting out is not going to be easy or a formality. Reality check.
Yeah, lets just plan for next season and not have any consideration for anything else that might happen, following a short term strategy has been super effective for the club so far.
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One moment Nige is in vogue then last week It was RDM and suddenly David Moyes has made a comeback.Next week.....who knows?
Much nicer to see that we are actually weighing up several options this time though. It almost feels like a proper business decision!
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I wouldn't mind either Pearson or Moyes as manager.
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Moyes is the best mix of a pragmatic organiser that can get us out of the Championship (think Bruce / Warnock types) and has also flirted with the Champions League. I think we'd struggle to find another candidate with a similar CV, let alone convince them to interview for the job.
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One moment Nige is in vogue then last week It was RDM and suddenly David Moyes has made a comeback.Next week.....who knows?
McLeish with Lambert as assistant
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I really hope it's Moyes. There would be so much optimism going into the new season, I genuinely don't think many people would be bothered about it not being a Premier league season.
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Do not care who it is as long as they can organize and improve players,make us look as if we have some idea how to move off the ball, can get a corner passed the first defender,get all the basic things right something that has been sadly missing for the last 6 years.
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I realize this might come as a hammer blow to some, but Gus Poyet is out of the running for our vacancy having been appointed manager at soon to be relegated Real Betis.
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gutted
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John Percy tweeting Moyes the favourite
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I realize this might come as a hammer blow to some, but Gus Poyet is out of the running for our vacancy having been appointed manager at soon to be relegated Real Betis.
Nightmare, next you'll be telling us Sherwood's got a job elsewhere.
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If we get David Moyes as our manager, our ground will be closer to capacity than 1/2 empty,
its so obvious this is a win win, something that has evaded us for to long.
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John Percy tweeting Moyes the favourite
He's odds on favourite at the bookies at the moment the other two 3/1
But they have changed over regularly in the past couple of weeks
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I've just seen a bloke who looks like David Moyes coming out of the Arcadian Centre and heading in the direction of New Street station.
Expect an announcement soon. He's probably on the 11:05 to Aston.
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Some people don't realise we are in the Championship next season and getting out is not going to be easy or a formality. Reality check.
Yeah, lets just plan for next season and not have any consideration for anything else that might happen, following a short term strategy has been super effective for the club so far.
That's my point. I'm not against Moyes, I agree with what Dante says and I think he has a good chance of getting us promoted (with a budget). However, I really don't think his style of football is going to deliver what uncle Tony wants long-term, and I think you can do that in the Championship almost better than you can in the Premier League (Swansea, Southampton, Boro, Bournemouth etc).
There are many ways to skin the promotion cat, and Moyes is just one and I can't help feel there might be more interesting and more long-term choices out there - but at least Moyes IS one, unlike some of the names that have been thrown about on here (Neil Warnock, holy jesus), so I'm not exactly unhappy.
Cue everyone accusing me of 'turning my nose up at Moyes' or whatever.
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What is the average length of time any manager remains at a club in the PL nowadays (leaving Wenger out of the equation)? Isn't it about 3 years? All this talk about long term planning in relation to a manager is irrelevant as far as I am concerned. As long as the next one sorts the club out on the field and achieves promotion and then avoids immediate relegation that would be an achievement. The, hoped for, football knowledgeable board of directors and CEO can then make a judgement as to whether the incumbent is capable of progressing the team further or whether to bring in someone else.
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Yep As I see it there are 2 important questions that need to be considered:
Can they get us promoted next season?
Can they build a platform to push on in the long-term?
Moyes is a fairly safe bet for the first question but not so much for the 2nd. There are other managers we could look at who would be riskier for the first but be better at the latter. We need to consider the balance between those 2 and go from there. People are already naturally writing off people who are clear failures for the latter (Warnock, Bruce, etc) but wouldn't be terrible for the former but for some reason questioning where Moyes fits is seen as a bad thing on here.
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Some people don't realise we are in the Championship next season and getting out is not going to be easy or a formality. Reality check.
Yeah, lets just plan for next season and not have any consideration for anything else that might happen, following a short term strategy has been super effective for the club so far.
That's my point. I'm not against Moyes, I agree with what Dante says and I think he has a good chance of getting us promoted (with a budget). However, I really don't think his style of football is going to deliver what uncle Tony wants long-term, and I think you can do that in the Championship almost better than you can in the Premier League (Swansea, Southampton, Boro, Bournemouth etc).
There are many ways to skin the promotion cat, and Moyes is just one and I can't help feel there might be more interesting and more long-term choices out there - but at least Moyes IS one, unlike some of the names that have been thrown about on here (Neil Warnock, holy jesus), so I'm not exactly unhappy.
Cue everyone accusing me of 'turning my nose up at Moyes' or whatever.
I get your point, but I don't think it's THAT hard to make that step forward in terms of the quality of your football in the EPL - just look at what Martinez was able to achieve in his first season succeeding Moyes, and what Bilic has done with West Ham following after Allardyce. Of course, Martinez couldn't keep it up, but I think that has more to do with his flaws as a manager. Both those two teams seemed to benefit from the solid, if unexciting platform set up by their predecessors; as well as investment. On that basis, I wouldn't really say that the strategy absolutely has to be the path taken by a Swansea or Southampton or Bournemouth, in terms of hiring someone who plays that way to take you up from the division below - you can skip that part, so long as you make the right managerial hire and/or are willing to invest money on genuine quality.
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We need to walk before we can run. At the moment we're lying prostrate. Moyes is a great bet to get us back on our feet. After that, who knows? Managers can be sacked, and as things change new managers will come into the fray.
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Monty, I'm with you. And no, I'm not turning my nose up at Moyes, either. Once Wenger goes, seeing a PL manager in place for more than three years will continue to be the non-occurrence it is now. I just don't think Xia’s timescale will sync with Moyes'.
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I've just seen a bloke who looks like David Moyes coming out of the Arcadian Centre and heading in the direction of New Street station.
Expect an announcement soon. He's probably on the 11:05 to Aston.
Hmm the Arcadian is right in the middle of China Quarter.
Coincidence?
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Yeah, but all I'm saying is that it's in some ways an opportunity to establish an entirely new way of doing something at the club. Instead of being completely manager-dependent for how we play, how about we have more of a structure that helps establish a way we play and then hire managers accordingly for that? And if the style is to be Moyesian, well, I have my doubts about that.
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I've just seen a bloke who looks like David Moyes coming out of the Arcadian Centre and heading in the direction of New Street station.
Expect an announcement soon. He's probably on the 11:05 to Aston.
Hmm the Arcadian is right in the middle of China Quarter.
Coincidence?
After going through the delights of Duddeston and Nechells and arriving at Aston I think any new manager would stop on the train and never look back lol. I think the Chinese owners might just stretch to a taxi. Probably Embassy.
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Unless he's walked out of a meeting and is heading straight for Lime St!!
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I've just seen a bloke who looks like David Moyes coming out of the Arcadian Centre and heading in the direction of New Street station.
Expect an announcement soon. He's probably on the 11:05 to Aston.
Hmm the Arcadian is right in the middle of China Quarter.
Coincidence?
maybe he was going down hurst street
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Hiring Moyes purely to get promoted wouldn't half be some statement of intent!
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Hiring Moyes purely to get promoted wouldn't half be some statement of intent!
promotion with moyes lol , we need a manager who has actually got a team promoted from that league
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Hiring Moyes purely to get promoted wouldn't half be some statement of intent!
promotion with moyes lol , we need a manager who has actually got a team promoted from that league
Paul Jewell and Mick McCarthy come on down.
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Hiring Moyes purely to get promoted wouldn't half be some statement of intent!
promotion with moyes lol , we need a manager who has actually got a team promoted from that league
Paul Jewell and Mick McCarthy come on down.
Lets get fkn 'eck back.
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Hiring Moyes purely to get promoted wouldn't half be some statement of intent!
promotion with moyes lol , we need a manager who has actually got a team promoted from that league
Paul Jewell and Mick McCarthy come on down.
Warnock...oh ffs
Jose hasn't got anyone promoted so he's out the running too...
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Hiring Moyes purely to get promoted wouldn't half be some statement of intent!
promotion with moyes lol , we need a manager who has actually got a team promoted from that league
Paul Jewell and Mick McCarthy come on down.
Warnock...oh ffs
Jose hasn't got anyone promoted so he's out the running too...
yeah , and fergie
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I think that particular argument has more holes in it than our back four.
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Hiring Moyes purely to get promoted wouldn't half be some statement of intent!
promotion with moyes lol , we need a manager who has actually got a team promoted from that league
Well no we don't. We need a good manager, which Moyes is. I presume you would have turned down Guardiola and Mourinho had they wanted the job then?
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I have them pencilled in for stages two and three of our march towards galactic domination.
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Moyes has ruled himself out according to the bbc
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Moyes has ruled himself out according to the bbc
Shiiiiit, he's read my posts.
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Bollocks. Pat Murphy:
"The Villa job ticked several boxes for Moyes - including working again with Keith Wyness, soon to be appointed chief executive, a role he filled at Everton for five years, working harmoniously alongside Moyes until 2009.
"The two have since kept in touch, but in the end Moyes felt he had to pass on Villa, even though sorely tempted.
"The field has narrowed now to Nigel Pearson - the preferred choice of the current chairman, Steve Hollis - and Roberto Di Matteo.
"Each is available and have been interviewed by both Hollis and the recruitment team of the new owner, Dr Tony Xai. He will sanction the appointment although Hollis will seal the deal as Dr Xai is still not technically the Villa owner pending Football League approval.
"Villa still hope to confirm their new manager by the end of this week."
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Bollocks.
Ugly ******.
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It was this bit I didn't get...
"David Moyes has dropped out of the running for the Aston Villa manager's job. On a short list of three, Moyes was strongly tipped to be the new manager after being interviewed last Thursday night, but after mulling over the challenge this weekend, decided to rule himself out.
"I understand the fundamental issue for Moyes was dropping down to the Championship and he had reservations about Villa wanting a swift decision, with a hectic summer ahead for the club's football department."
He had reservations about getting swifly on with the job and how busy it was going to be??? And if you have reservations about dropping down a division, why speak to the club at all?
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It was this bit I didn't get...
"David Moyes has dropped out of the running for the Aston Villa manager's job. On a short list of three, Moyes was strongly tipped to be the new manager after being interviewed last Thursday night, but after mulling over the challenge this weekend, decided to rule himself out.
"I understand the fundamental issue for Moyes was dropping down to the Championship and he had reservations about Villa wanting a swift decision, with a hectic summer ahead for the club's football department."
He had reservations about getting swifly on with the job and how busy it was going to be??? And if you have reservations about dropping down a division, why speak to the club at all?
If the bit in bold is true he isn't the right man - we need somebody with an appetite for turning the club on it's head.
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Shame, I think he was just the man. There also doesn't seem to be an obvious alternative for him currently.
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Sounds like he's expecting bigger and better offers.
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fucking workshy bastard !!
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It's started badly for Xai then
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Oh well that's disappointing, but can't see why he wouldn't have anticipated us wanting a quick decision.
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Moyes has ruled himself out according to the bbc
there is a god
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Whatever, he's shit anyway.
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If that's the genuine reason he's not right for it. We absolutely need someone in starting work next week. Pre season planning player recruitment backroom staff etc. All vital now.
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I realise I am not in a majority but they need to get on and appoint Pearson now before he falls out of the running now. On the basis that other credible candidates are now dropping out. And as for Moyes - you know Villa and Scottish manager's we have avoided one there in my view.
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It is said you get promoted until you reach incompetence
Moyes was good at Everton but not good at United
Martinez was good at Wigan but became stale at Everton
Lambert won accolades at Norwich got it wrong at Villa
So I have no problem with a Manager for the task at hand and then build again when stabilised - just like we would expect with players bought for a job this year but would need to be changed if we were back in the prem
just caught up the posts
im really not fussed with Moyes not coming
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so who's bigger than Villa who needs a manager david ?
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No Moyes. Great news.
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No Nigel Pearson. We are supposed to conduct ourselves with a little more class.
And in any case I don't want someone who took the next season's Champions to 14th.
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If that's his attitude then he's clearly not the right man for us, not the other way around.
If funds really are in place then you'd hope Moyes would back himself and really want the job.
His loss.
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Re-set the pole? And for those whose sole criteria is to have managed/won promotion before, the likes of Warnock, McCarthy, Adkins and Holloway should be right there at the top of the list
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I mean, it's a quote from Pat Murphy so it must be true... But I can't see how any manager wouldn't want to be getting on with the job ASAP and dictate the summer prep needed. He obviously thinks something better will be coming along but I'd say he has a lot to prove still after his last couple of jobs so would be surprised if there was anything massive around the corner for him.
Anyway, screw him.
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Van gaal it is then
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Hmm... I was expecting an announcement by the end of today. I guess that's not gonna happen now.
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Re-set the pole? And for those whose sole criteria is to have managed/won promotion before, the likes of Warnock, McCarthy, Adkins and Holloway should be right there at the top of the list
i would love to have mick mcarthy on a 12 month rollover
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No Moyes. Great news.
Yep which means there is now a strong chance it is either going to be Pearson or Di Matteo. Let's get the bunting out.
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Re-set the pole? And for those whose sole criteria is to have managed/won promotion before, the likes of Warnock, McCarthy, Adkins and Holloway should be right there at the top of the list
i would love to have mick mcarthy on a 12 month rollover
Really! You're joking,right?
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for me the worry is that we don't actually have a 'manager in waiting', who is just waiting for the rubber stamp of the authorities to allow him to start work.
Someone who may have been lined up for a while, who has assessed the squad and had the start of an idea of what will be needed to get us moving forwards.
It seems to me that whoever comes in will be starting from scratch, and with the players having been on their holidays since February, where the fuck do you start?
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No Nigel Pearson. We are supposed to conduct ourselves with a little more class.
And in any case I don't want someone who took the next season's Champions to 14th.
a manager who got a team promoted from the championship then finish 14th , first season in the prem will do for me
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He is probably going back to Everton
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if he thinks he is too big for this club and the championship then hes obviously not the man for this club. I honestly think this would be ideal for both parties but maybe he has delusions of grandeur. He was building up a good reputation within the game that was demolished by his time at old trafford then further ruined by his disastrous time in Spain. There is a real opportunity here to pick up the pieces of a broken club and restore it to former glory. You would imagine that if he could get us back up to top 10 in the premier within 3 seasons he would have his standing in the game restored but it appears its not meant to be. I think he could really live to regret this one, I cant see where he can go that is a better fit for him. Watch him take the Newcastle job now....
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If what Pat Murphy is saying is true and he wasn't willing to drop to the championship, then we're better off without him, his heart wouldn't have been in it. As for the swift decision, if that's true as well then it sounds like he wanted to keep his options open. We can't wait and neither should we.
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Why would he want to be bounced into a quick decision when the ownership is not yet confirmed. If (as seems increasingly likely) it falls through he could end up working fot Lerner.
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Moyes has ruled himself out according to the bbc
there is a god
Yet you would like Mick McCarthy?
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Exactly and who's to say he wouldn't have walked when a PL job came along as inevitably it would have done. He will end up at Smethwick whilst we get..............
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Spot on. Was my first choice but if he wants to dally about wanting for a prettier lady let him carry on
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Moyes has ruled himself out according to the bbc
there is a god
Yet you would like Mick McCarthy?
i would prefer pearson
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That's a shame I think he would have done a good job. Seems that Tony's plans of world domination didn't attract him?
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How many times is that Moyes has prick-teased us now? Well sod him, a less talented manager working at their maximum will achieve more for us than him thinking he is doing us a favour dropping down to the Championship.
We were right to want a fairly swift turnaround, we need a manager in by 1st June, and that only gives just over 2 months to be ready for the new season.
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I can't say I'm not disappointed, but Villa is a lot bigger than David Moyes , even in our diminished state. We go again - I would personally prefer RDM to Pearson but it's probably a straight fight now between the two, although the fact that we are still in limbo won't reassure either.
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No Moyes. Great news.
Yep which means there is now a strong chance it is either going to be Pearson or Di Matteo. Let's get the bunting out.
Neither warrant bunting but Pearson would be my choice all day long of those readily available.
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I'd rather have Moyes than Pearson any day.
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Just a thought. I wonder if he's ruled himself out to save face knowing that we've appointed someone else instead? Dr Tony did hint that it was more or less done. Being overlooked by a relegated club wouldn't look too good for him. I may be wrong though.
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We need a manager that can match the enthusiasm and energy of the Villa faithful. Moyes is obviously not that man.
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I just feel we've never seriously been on Dave's career radar and dipping in to the Championship was never going to help the cause of persuading him to come. As someone else said he might have ended up working for Randy with a budget of nowt.
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No Moyes. Great news.
Yep which means there is now a strong chance it is either going to be Pearson or Di Matteo. Let's get the bunting out.
Neither warrant bunting but Pearson would be my choice all day long of those readily available.
Me too, for what he did at Leicester, because he has a point to prove and because he'd probably see Villa as a step up in his career - unlike Moyes whose best work in my opinion is behind him and seems to view us as beneath him. I never wanted him, and I'm very pleased with his decision.
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I was hoping it was going to be Moyes but if he doesn't want it sod him - let's move on and get someone in who does want it
Sounds like it's a straight fight between Pearson and RDM; whoever it is can we get them in as soon as possible please as they have got one helluva job on their hands to sort this mess out
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Having spent the last few months saying he's waiting until the summer to see what comes up in the Premier League Moyes is only really doing what he said he would.
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We need a manager that can match the enthusiasm and energy of the Villa faithful. Moyes is obviously not that man.
Bring back Tim Sherwood if it's about enthusiasm
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1 Primary issue with Pearson and this is something that seems to have dogged the club for 20 years.
He won't be able to bring Walsh, Shakespeare and Stowell in as coaches so who will his sidekicks be. Most important
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Having spent the last few months saying he's waiting until the summer to see what comes up in the Premier League Moyes is only really doing what he said he would.
I just don't think he's a very 'fashionable' choice. Progressive clubs and foreign owners (e.g. Watford and Swansea) have gone elsewhere, I highly highly doubt Everton want him back. That leaves someone like WBA if they ditch Pulis, I genuinely think that's as good an offer as he'll get in the top flight.
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I just feel we've never seriously been on Dave's career radar and dipping in to the Championship was never going to help the cause of persuading him to come. As someone else said he might have ended up working for Randy with a budget of nowt.
That wouldnt have been the problem. All he would have had to do was accept the job conditional on the takeover going through.
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Seems like we are down to two. I've already listed Di Matteo's CV, I'll list Pearson's too, for comparison.
DI MATTEO
MK Dons: only had one season there. Lost on penalties in the playoff semi-finals. Considering they'd only been promoted the previous season that's not a bad return. Verdict: SUCCESS.
West Brom: got them promoted at the first attempt. They were above the relegation zone the following season when he was, rather harshly, sacked. Verdict: SUCCESS
Chelsea: of course any achievement at that club has to be viewed while considering that just about anyone could do well there with their resources and squad. Nevertheless, he won the trophy that eluded Mourinho, Ranieri, Hiddink, Ancelotti and others, and added another trophy. He didn't do well in the league by their standards in his first season, but he had improved in the second season when he was dismissed. Verdict: SUCCESS.
Schalke: took over with them in eleventh, finished sixth. Did have a poor end to the season so I won't call it an outright success. Verdict: OKAY.
PEARSON
Carlisle: took over with them having just been relegated to the bottom tier and only avoided relegation to the Conference via an injury time goalkeeper goal. I'm not sure what the financial situation was like there though so I won't judge him too harshly. Verdict: OKAY.
Southampton: punted after just three months in charge. Verdict: FAILURE.
Leicester (first spell): promoted as Champions of League One and got them to the Championship playoffs. Verdict: SUCCESS.
Hull: took over with them just relegated to the Championship and led them to an unimpressive 11th. They were in playoffs the season after when he left so I'll be generous and say, Verdict: OKAY.
Leicester (second spell): two mid-table finishes then a playoff semi-finals defeat in his first three years. Promoted as Champions the year after. Sacked after finishing fourteenth the year after. I'll ignore what Leicester have achieved in his absence and be generous again. Verdict: SUCCESS.
So, Di Matteo has been successful just about everywhere. Pearson has only had any success at one club. Di Matteo took one year to escape the Championship, Pearson took four. Di Matteo doesn't seem be a raging psychopathic bullying wanker, Pearson does.
No comparison for me.
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Enthusiasm, determination and experience - Sherwood didn't have all three, Pearson does.
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For me this comes back to the fact that he's failed in his last 2 jobs. I don't think he has the stomach, right now, for a big job, he just wants something that will allow him to easily rebuild his reputation without much work on building the squad.
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Seems like we are down to two. I've already listed Di Matteo's CV, I'll list Pearson's too, for comparison.
DI MATTEO
MK Dons: only had one season there. Lost on penalties in the playoff semi-finals. Considering they'd only been promoted the previous season that's not a bad return. Verdict: SUCCESS.
West Brom: got them promoted at the first attempt. They were above the relegation zone the following season when he was, rather harshly, sacked. Verdict: SUCCESS
Chelsea: of course any achievement at that club has to be viewed while considering that just about anyone could do well there with their resources and squad. Nevertheless, he won the trophy that eluded Mourinho, Ranieri, Hiddink, Ancelotti and others, and added another trophy. He didn't do well in the league by their standards in his first season, but he had improved in the second season when he was dismissed. Verdict: SUCCESS.
Schalke: took over with them in eleventh, finished sixth. Did have a poor end to the season so I won't call it an outright success. Verdict: OKAY.
PEARSON
Carlisle: took over with them having just been relegated to the bottom tier and only avoided relegation to the Conference via an injury time goalkeeper goal. I'm not sure what the financial situation was like there though so I won't judge him too harshly. Verdict: OKAY.
Southampton: punted after just three months in charge. Verdict: FAILURE.
Leicester (first spell): promoted as Champions of League One and got them to the Championship playoffs. Verdict: SUCCESS.
Hull: took over with them just relegated to the Championship and led them to an unimpressive 11th. They were in playoffs the season after when he left so I'll be generous and say, Verdict: OKAY.
Leicester (second spell): two mid-table finishes then a playoff semi-finals defeat in his first three years. Promoted as Champions the year after. Sacked after finishing fourteenth the year after. I'll ignore what Leicester have achieved in his absence and be generous again. Verdict: SUCCESS.
So, Di Matteo has been successful just about everywhere. Pearson has only had any success at one club. Di Matteo took one year to escape the Championship, Pearson took four. Di Matteo doesn't seem be a raging psychopathic bullying wanker, Pearson does.
No comparison for me.
I must admit, that in the absence of MOyes, I was leaning toward Pearson. Having read that, I think I will change my mind.
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We need a manager that can match the enthusiasm and energy of the Villa faithful. Moyes is obviously not that man.
Bring back Tim Sherwood if it's about enthusiasm
His enthusiasm dried up in August when he realised he'd been found out.
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No Nigel Pearson. We are supposed to conduct ourselves with a little more class.
And in any case I don't want someone who took the next season's Champions to 14th.
A magnificent achievement. The door is open for Nige and his platoon of ostriches then!! Gabbys just burst into tears.
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Apparently Benni McCarthy is now shortening with the bookies.
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It's going to be Colin Wanker isn't it????
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He kept Southampton in the league didn't he? That's not a failure.
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The impression I get from Pearson is that he's the kind of bloke who fans would warm to him once he's at your club. I know a lot of people didn't like that spat he had with Pat Murphy and for some, it put him in a bad light, but their was a little bit of arrogance and 'don't mess with me' thrown in, which could be what we need.
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Hull: took over with them just relegated to the Championship and led them to an unimpressive 11th. They were in playoffs the season after when he left so I'll be generous and say, Verdict: OKAY.
He left Hull in October/November a couple of points off 5th with a game in hand.
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The impression I get from Pearson is that he's the kind of bloke who fans would warm to him once he's at your club. I know a lot of people didn't like that spat he had with Pat Murphy and for some, it put him in a bad light, but their was a little bit of arrogance and 'don't mess with me' thrown in, which could be what we need.
The best comparison I've heard in his favour was one Rudy (I think?) made with Simeone. Obviously playing against Simeone you hate the cheating conniving violent bastard and all his players, but if he was your manager you'd think he was the second coming.
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Yeah that's what I meant. They were in the playoff places. Sorry if I didn't explain it clearly.
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Bollocks to him, I hope he gets relegated in his first season back in football. See if he fancies managing in Division 2 then.
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The impression I get from Pearson is that he's the kind of bloke who fans would warm to him once he's at your club. I know a lot of people didn't like that spat he had with Pat Murphy and for some, it put him in a bad light, but their was a little bit of arrogance and 'don't mess with me' thrown in, which could be what we need.
The best comparison I've heard in his favour was one Rudy (I think?) made with Simeone. Obviously playing against Simeone you hate the cheating conniving violent bastard and all his players, but if he was your manager you'd think he was the second coming.
The way I look at it is when Pearson was at another club I thought he was an absolute prick. If he was at my club it would be an embarrassment and make me question whether I should bother going anymore.
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Moyes is the best mix of a pragmatic organiser that can get us out of the Championship (think Bruce / Warnock types) and has also flirted with the Champions League. I think we'd struggle to find another candidate with a similar CV, let alone convince them to interview for the job.
Di Matteo has been actually promoted from the Championship and won the Champions League. His CV pisses all over Moyes'
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The impression I get from Pearson is that he's the kind of bloke who fans would warm to him once he's at your club. I know a lot of people didn't like that spat he had with Pat Murphy and for some, it put him in a bad light, but their was a little bit of arrogance and 'don't mess with me' thrown in, which could be what we need.
The best comparison I've heard in his favour was one Rudy (I think?) made with Simeone. Obviously playing against Simeone you hate the cheating conniving violent bastard and all his players, but if he was your manager you'd think he was the second coming.
The way I look at it is when Pearson was at another club I thought he was an absolute prick. If he was at my club it would be an embarrassment and make me question whether I should bother going anymore.
That's my instinct as well, but I can see the other point of view.
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I've heard it's Gary Neville.
No, I've just made that up.
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On his first day Nige will gather everybody round and announce we are going to watch a film. A film starring Sean Connery. Great, say the lads we like James Bond films Then they find out its.... "The Hill!"
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well van ghoul and ryan are both free?
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We have enough people at the club not dedicated to the cause. Our manager needs to be 100% committed.
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Moyes has had a few shots at coming here and he's turned them all down. Fuck him.
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I'm still hoping Sean Dyche wants a new challenge...
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For me this comes back to the fact that he's failed in his last 2 jobs. I don't think he has the stomach, right now, for a big job, he just wants something that will allow him to easily rebuild his reputation without much work on building the squad.
Is pretty much word for word what i've just said to my mate
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It makes you wonder what caused David Moyes to lose interest so dramatically. After all he does know Wyness well. Perhaps he is privy to inside information that we are not.
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Right well onwards and upwards, we need someone in pretty quickly to sort this rabble out.
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Moyes has had a few shots at coming here and he's turned them all down. Fuck him.
Yep, pretty much. This was his chance to come in with a clean slate and sort everything out top to bottom, if he's not up for it now then he's never going to be our manager.
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Moyes obviously knew full well when interviewed that the club was in the Championship, so uncertainty over future ownership might answer to why he turned it down? I guess the last thing he wanted was to have ended up working for Randy with no budget - that would have been a challenge too far.
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It makes you wonder what caused David Moyes to lose interest so dramatically. After all he does know Wyness well. Perhaps he is privy to inside information that we are not.
Or maybe he just doesn't want to be in the Championship at this stage of his career. Whatever we think it is a step backwards for him.
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The Benni McCarthy of prospective Villa managers.
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Just a thought. I wonder if he's ruled himself out to save face knowing that we've appointed someone else instead? Dr Tony did hint that it was more or less done. Being overlooked by a relegated club wouldn't look too good for him. I may be wrong though.
i think your right
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Moyes is the best mix of a pragmatic organiser that can get us out of the Championship (think Bruce / Warnock types) and has also flirted with the Champions League. I think we'd struggle to find another candidate with a similar CV, let alone convince them to interview for the job.
Di Matteo has been actually promoted from the Championship and won the Champions League. His CV pisses all over Moyes'
yeah matteo won champions league with someone elses team , just as rannieri won the prem with nigels
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I'm still hoping Sean Dyche wants a new challenge...
yes he hasnt got a team promoted to the premier league for ages
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Moyes obviously knew full well when interviewed that the club was in the Championship, so uncertainty over future ownership might answer to why he turned it down? I guess the last thing he wanted was to have ended up working for Randy with no budget - that would have been a challenge too far.
The other angle could be the demands placed upon him should Xia become Chairman. Back up in one season and challenging for Europe asap? It would be a tough gig for someone as naturally cautious and pragmatic as Moyes.
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It makes you wonder what caused David Moyes to lose interest so dramatically. After all he does know Wyness well. Perhaps he is privy to inside information that we are not.
He's at a precarious point in his career where another failure would seriously impact on his reputation. Maybe he thought it was just too much of a risk and will wait for other options.
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Sky haven't touched the Moyes story...
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Sky haven't touched the Moyes story...
sulking cos bbc got it first
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Sky haven't touched the Moyes story...
sulking cos bbc got it first
Hah, yeah probably.
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Just a thought. I wonder if he's ruled himself out to save face knowing that we've appointed someone else instead? Dr Tony did hint that it was more or less done. Being overlooked by a relegated club wouldn't look too good for him. I may be wrong though.
Well seeing that Our Tone already said that the manager has been appointed and that it'd be announced this week, I don't think you're that wide of the mark.
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On his first day Nige will gather everybody round and announce we are going to watch a film. A film starring Sean Connery. Great, say the lads we like James Bond films Then they find out its.... "The Hill!"
Gabby as Roy Kinnaer.
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On his first day Nige will gather everybody round and announce we are going to watch a film. A film starring Sean Connery. Great, say the lads we like James Bond films Then they find out its.... "The Hill!"
Gabby as Roy Kinnaer.
Gabby as the hill.
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What a relief.
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Seems like we are down to two. I've already listed Di Matteo's CV, I'll list Pearson's too, for comparison.
DI MATTEO
MK Dons: only had one season there. Lost on penalties in the playoff semi-finals. Considering they'd only been promoted the previous season that's not a bad return. Verdict: SUCCESS.
West Brom: got them promoted at the first attempt. They were above the relegation zone the following season when he was, rather harshly, sacked. Verdict: SUCCESS
Chelsea: of course any achievement at that club has to be viewed while considering that just about anyone could do well there with their resources and squad. Nevertheless, he won the trophy that eluded Mourinho, Ranieri, Hiddink, Ancelotti and others, and added another trophy. He didn't do well in the league by their standards in his first season, but he had improved in the second season when he was dismissed. Verdict: SUCCESS.
Schalke: took over with them in eleventh, finished sixth. Did have a poor end to the season so I won't call it an outright success. Verdict: OKAY.
PEARSON
Carlisle: took over with them having just been relegated to the bottom tier and only avoided relegation to the Conference via an injury time goalkeeper goal. I'm not sure what the financial situation was like there though so I won't judge him too harshly. Verdict: OKAY.
Southampton: punted after just three months in charge. Verdict: FAILURE.
Leicester (first spell): promoted as Champions of League One and got them to the Championship playoffs. Verdict: SUCCESS.
Hull: took over with them just relegated to the Championship and led them to an unimpressive 11th. They were in playoffs the season after when he left so I'll be generous and say, Verdict: OKAY.
Leicester (second spell): two mid-table finishes then a playoff semi-finals defeat in his first three years. Promoted as Champions the year after. Sacked after finishing fourteenth the year after. I'll ignore what Leicester have achieved in his absence and be generous again. Verdict: SUCCESS.
So, Di Matteo has been successful just about everywhere. Pearson has only had any success at one club. Di Matteo took one year to escape the Championship, Pearson took four. Di Matteo doesn't seem be a raging psychopathic bullying wanker, Pearson does.
No comparison for me.
I must admit, that in the absence of MOyes, I was leaning toward Pearson. Having read that, I think I will change my mind.
If criteria is 7-8 years past performance the RDM is rightly ahead on that basis.
Either way both need their own coaching team.
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I think Xia will take Hollis' preferred candidate Pearson. I think there will have been mentions of Little and the old board and why they think Pearson is the best choice for our situation and he will roll with that.
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It makes you wonder what caused David Moyes to lose interest so dramatically. After all he does know Wyness well. Perhaps he is privy to inside information that we are not.
He's at a precarious point in his career where another failure would seriously impact on his reputation. Maybe he thought it was just too much of a risk and will wait for other options.
Apart from grey, cotton Y fronts, the thing Moyes loves most is money. I'm not sure dropping a division was the problem, maybe it was a drop in salary that scared him off.
My guess is he'll wait until November to pick up a job in the PL as right now I can't see anybody apart from Albion that could possibly consider him this summer.
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Question for anyone with an inside knowledge of how bookies work. I suppose its immoral but...on the basis of what Dr X said about it being a done deal, if the bookies were sure it was Di Matteo for instance, could they begin to drastically shorten the odds on Moyes to coax others into betting? its just from what ive seen and read, the only info that has caused this surge on Moyes is that he met our representatives last week, there is a very good chance the other two prime candidates did as well. Its now come out we havent even made an offer for Moyes to turn down - weve simply had discussions which have led to him considering the prospect and saying I dont want to be considered thanks. For all we know, this could have happened last week as well and its only coming out now to quash speculation
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I think Xia will take Hollis' preferred candidate Pearson. I think there will have been mentions of Little and the old board and why they think Pearson is the best choice for our situation and he will roll with that.
You'd hope that Sir Brian would sit Pearson down and explain to him that acting the knob will not be tolerated at Aston Villa.
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Question for anyone with an inside knowledge of how bookies work. I suppose its immoral but...on the basis of what Dr X said about it being a done deal, if the bookies were sure it was Di Matteo for instance, could they begin to drastically shorten the odds on Moyes to coax others into betting?
If one bookmaker dropped the odds but the others didn't, nobody would bet with them as they'd get better odds elsewhere.
If all the bookies colluded to reduce the price that would be illegal price fixing.
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Question for anyone with an inside knowledge of how bookies work. I suppose its immoral but...on the basis of what Dr X said about it being a done deal, if the bookies were sure it was Di Matteo for instance, could they begin to drastically shorten the odds on Moyes to coax others into betting?
If one bookmaker dropped the odds but the others didn't, nobody would bet with them as they'd get better odds elsewhere.
If all the bookies colluded to reduce the price that would be illegal price fixing.
Unless there are clever algorithms that detect when a rival slashes the odds on something. Then the computers of the other bookies would all decide there was something up and shorten their odds too, leading to further cuts and so on.
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Maybe. I suspect that even that might be bordering on illegality.
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This has probably already been posted but this Liverpool Echo article about Moyes today meant I wasn't that disappointed it won't be him.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-bring-back-david-moyes-11369111
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BBC Sport say no Moyes
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36359063
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This has probably already been posted but this Liverpool Echo article about Moyes today meant I wasn't that disappointed it won't be him.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-bring-back-david-moyes-11369111
The Echo echoes those of us on here who would doubt his ability to take us on in the Premier League and make us interesting, but I'm not sure it says anything against his ability to get us promoted.
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This has probably already been posted but this Liverpool Echo article about Moyes today meant I wasn't that disappointed it won't be him.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-bring-back-david-moyes-11369111
The Echo echoes those of us on here who would doubt his ability to take us on in the Premier League and make us interesting, but I'm not sure it says anything against his ability to get us promoted.
As I said I didn't doubt that he'd be able to get us promoted (although I did think his desire for the job might not be there because he's in a bit of a 'last chance saloon') but it's good to see people from Everton backing up my thinking so clearly. Di Matteo is and was a better option for me.
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:D
I've heard it's Gary Neville.
No, I've just made that up.
Any more of that and you'll be needing that website sooner than you anticipated! :D
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This has probably already been posted but this Liverpool Echo article about Moyes today meant I wasn't that disappointed it won't be him.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-bring-back-david-moyes-11369111
The Echo echoes those of us on here who would doubt his ability to take us on in the Premier League and make us interesting, but I'm not sure it says anything against his ability to get us promoted.
As I said I didn't doubt that he'd be able to get us promoted (although I did think his desire for the job might not be there because he's in a bit of a 'last chance saloon') but it's good to see people from Everton backing up my thinking so clearly. Di Matteo is and was a better option for me.
Agreed. Moyes is too much a dour unimaginative Scot whose best managerial years are behind him IMO.
If he didn't want to manage in the Championship, why waste everyone's time even meeting the Villa people? I know he was a fans hot favourite, but I'd prefer someone with more charisma together with a reasonable level of experience and from the choices that seem to be available, Di Matteo looks a better option.
Was Moyes main reason for declining Villa more about the transfer pot he'd have and it wasn't as much as he wanted? A season in the Championship and not being promoted was perhaps a risk he wouldn't take without mega bucks being made available.
He seems to me that since taking the Manure job and tarting himself up with his new hair do and flashier suits, he's ended up as just another ordinary manager with ideas above his capabilities.
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A shame it wasn't Moyes.
He would've been a real coup and one of those above our pay grade type Managers.
Bit like when we got MON when we'd finished 16th.
Still RDM and Pearson are more realistic candidates for our situation and I wouldn't have a problem with either, both are very capable of getting us back first time imo.
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This has probably already been posted but this Liverpool Echo article about Moyes today meant I wasn't that disappointed it won't be him.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-bring-back-david-moyes-11369111
The Echo echoes those of us on here who would doubt his ability to take us on in the Premier League and make us interesting, but I'm not sure it says anything against his ability to get us promoted.
As I said I didn't doubt that he'd be able to get us promoted (although I did think his desire for the job might not be there because he's in a bit of a 'last chance saloon') but it's good to see people from Everton backing up my thinking so clearly. Di Matteo is and was a better option for me.
I even think him getting us promoted is questionable. As I mentioned previously, it would have taken a whole philosophical shift on his part to go out there and try and win games. The comment about him not having confidence in his own players makes be believe we've dodged a bullet with his lack of interest in the job.
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My suspicion is that Moyes was not first choice and got in first before he looks bad for not getting the Villa job. The last thing he needs after Man U and Sociedad is rejection from a Championship club.
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My suspicion is that Moyes was not first choice and got in first before he looks bad for not getting the Villa job. The last thing he needs after Man U and Sociedad is rejection from a Championship club.
If we keep telling ourselves that it won't hurt so much...
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LVG is available?! About the only guy that hasn't been mentioned
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LVG is available?! About the only guy that hasn't been mentioned
I'd like to see a heated argument between those two
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This has probably already been posted but this Liverpool Echo article about Moyes today meant I wasn't that disappointed it won't be him.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-bring-back-david-moyes-11369111
The Echo echoes those of us on here who would doubt his ability to take us on in the Premier League and make us interesting, but I'm not sure it says anything against his ability to get us promoted.
As I said I didn't doubt that he'd be able to get us promoted (although I did think his desire for the job might not be there because he's in a bit of a 'last chance saloon') but it's good to see people from Everton backing up my thinking so clearly. Di Matteo is and was a better option for me.
I even think him getting us promoted is questionable. As I mentioned previously, it would have taken a whole philosophical shift on his part to go out there and try and win games. The comment about him not having confidence in his own players makes be believe we've dodged a bullet with his lack of interest in the job.
He's won plenty of games at premier league level. Think his average is between 55-60 points at premier league level so not too far off 50% premier league win ratio.
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My suspicion is that Moyes was not first choice and got in first before he looks bad for not getting the Villa job. The last thing he needs after Man U and Sociedad is rejection from a Championship club.
The other possibility was that Moyes didn't want to work under a DoF, assuming the rumours are true about us appointing Comolli.
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My suspicion is that Moyes was not first choice and got in first before he looks bad for not getting the Villa job. The last thing he needs after Man U and Sociedad is rejection from a Championship club.
The other possibility was that Moyes didn't want to work under a DoF, assuming the rumours are true about us appointing Comolli.
No, I prefer the first option thanks
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My suspicion is that Moyes was not first choice and got in first before he looks bad for not getting the Villa job. The last thing he needs after Man U and Sociedad is rejection from a Championship club.
The other possibility was that Moyes didn't want to work under a DoF, assuming the rumours are true about us appointing Comolli.
Same might apply to Pearson then. I can't imagine he would take too kindly to someone interfering in his transfer dealings.
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My suspicion is that Moyes was not first choice and got in first before he looks bad for not getting the Villa job. The last thing he needs after Man U and Sociedad is rejection from a Championship club.
The other possibility was that Moyes didn't want to work under a DoF, assuming the rumours are true about us appointing Comolli.
Same might apply to Pearson then. I can't imagine he would take too kindly to someone interfering in his transfer dealings.
Indeed. I can well imagine Pearson on the phone getting some tips from Steve Walsh on players that may be of interest to his old mate.
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Comoli isn't coming he told sky so last week
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My suspicion is that Moyes was not first choice and got in first before he looks bad for not getting the Villa job. The last thing he needs after Man U and Sociedad is rejection from a Championship club.
The other possibility was that Moyes didn't want to work under a DoF, assuming the rumours are true about us appointing Comolli.
Same might apply to Pearson then. I can't imagine he would take too kindly to someone interfering in his transfer dealings.
Indeed. I can well imagine Pearson on the phone getting some tips from Steve Walsh on players that may be of interest to his old mate.
Surely the fact that he is used to working with a Head Of Recruitment (i.e Steve Walsh) is a pretty solid indicator that he probably wouldn't have much of an issue doing so again?
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More good news! ;)
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My suspicion is that Moyes was not first choice and got in first before he looks bad for not getting the Villa job. The last thing he needs after Man U and Sociedad is rejection from a Championship club.
The other possibility was that Moyes didn't want to work under a DoF, assuming the rumours are true about us appointing Comolli.
Same might apply to Pearson then. I can't imagine he would take too kindly to someone interfering in his transfer dealings.
Indeed. I can well imagine Pearson on the phone getting some tips from Steve Walsh on players that may be of interest to his old mate.
Surely the fact that he is used to working with a Head Of Recruitment (i.e Steve Walsh) is a pretty solid indicator that he probably wouldn't have much of an issue doing so again?
Walsh was a Pearson appointment and didn't he have a more expansive job at Leicester that included coaching?
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Desperate news.
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My suspicion is that Moyes was not first choice and got in first before he looks bad for not getting the Villa job. The last thing he needs after Man U and Sociedad is rejection from a Championship club.
The other possibility was that Moyes didn't want to work under a DoF, assuming the rumours are true about us appointing Comolli.
Same might apply to Pearson then. I can't imagine he would take too kindly to someone interfering in his transfer dealings.
Indeed. I can well imagine Pearson on the phone getting some tips from Steve Walsh on players that may be of interest to his old mate.
Surely the fact that he is used to working with a Head Of Recruitment (i.e Steve Walsh) is a pretty solid indicator that he probably wouldn't have much of an issue doing so again?
Indeed but he knew Steve Walsh well. Someone he didn't know would not be to his liking.
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A shame it wasn't Moyes.
He would've been a real coup and one of those above our pay grade type Managers.
Bit like when we got MON when we'd finished 16th.
Still RDM and Pearson are more realistic candidates for our situation and I wouldn't have a problem with either, both are very capable of getting us back first time imo.
Yep, pretty much where I am at. Wouldn't be devastated with either Pearson or Di Matteo really. Want iit done and dusted soon though.
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I wanted Moyes initially but not disappointed if he doesn't want to commit to us. I reckon DM or Pearson will be appointed by Friday. Pearson now first choice for me.
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According to John Percy we didn't make moyes an offer
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It won't be Moyes *shrugs* after the initial disappointment, so be it. Let's just wait and see who it is.
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According to John Percy we didn't make moyes an offer
Did Villa even speak to him?
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According to John Percy we didn't make moyes an offer
He couldn't make an offer as he doesn't own the club until the deal is ratified.
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According to John Percy we didn't make moyes an offer
He couldn't make an offer as he doesn't own the club until the deal is ratified.
Surely he could make an offer in principle. MON joined before Randy took over.
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The odds on Di Matteo just come down sharply (in the last few mins and not in reaction to the Moyes news) on Betfair to about 1.4 from the 2-3 range.
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Must confess I'm so worn out by villa I think I would go for Pearson now. He may have had time to reflect on his past actions. Anyway I don't care who the next villa manager upsets as long as he does the job he is paid for and does it well.
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I believe we'd not offered it to Moyes. He ruled himself out of something he wasn't ruled in for because the rumour mill was going into overdrive, and he wants back in in the PL asap, ideally before the window opens, and this was to remind any club contemplating changing their manager that he's available. Imo.
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According to John Percy we didn't make moyes an offer
Did Villa even speak to him?
Apparently so
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I believe we'd not offered it to Moyes. He ruled himself out of something he wasn't ruled in for because the rumour mill was going into overdrive, and he wants back in in the PL asap, ideally before the window opens, and this was to remind any club contemplating changing their manager that he's available. Imo.
So he fancies the Albion job because that's the only one I can see up for grabs? Now there's a match made in heaven.
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If it were up to him, he'd go back to Everton.
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I reckon he 'Ruled himself out' to save face, because he wasn't going to get the job.
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All I had seen over the net regarding Moyes from Evertonians was they don't want him back and hardly any spoke well of him. Today, chatting with a Everton fan he couldn't speak highly enough of him, said he would love him back. I suggested Pellegrini for Everton and he still wanted Moyes over him. My personal opinion is a lot of football management is being in the right place at the right time. Stability is my preference, a good long term manager, I have no idea on football tactics, transfers and everything else but something feels right with RDM and something inside me feels wrong with Pearson.
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Well I did want him, but that's what, the second or third time he's ruled himself out from us, so I think it's more than us being in the wrong division.
Move on, hopefully those who didn't want him were right and he's a busted flush now and would have bored and frustrated us.
I have a feeling we'll soon see 'It's Pearson...' I'm wondering if it's been his job for a few weeks. A bit like Mourino was tapped up weeks ago.
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I like Di Matteo more, but in all honesty I think Pearson would have a bigger impact, particulary early on. He also won't suffer fools gladly. We don't have to be thinking of 2-3 years time. Pearson would be good to set us on our way, and then we do a Leicester and replace him with someone who can progress us from a hopefully solid footing in the top flight again.
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I like Di Matteo more, but in all honesty I think Pearson would have a bigger impact, particulary early on. He also won't suffer fools gladly. We don't have to be thinking of 2-3 years time. Pearson would be good to set us on our way, and then we do a Leicester and replace him with someone who can progress us from a hopefully solid footing in the top flight again.
He must hate Nigel Pearson then.
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I like Di Matteo more, but in all honesty I think Pearson would have a bigger impact, particulary early on. He also won't suffer fools gladly. We don't have to be thinking of 2-3 years time. Pearson would be good to set us on our way, and then we do a Leicester and replace him with someone who can progress us from a hopefully solid footing in the top flight again.
He must hate Nigel Pearson then.
Maybe that's why he's so angry all the time, he catches himself in the mirror and gets himself in a bad mood for the day.
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I don't know who I want now, in all honesty. Di Matteo is meh, Pearson is mental. What I would like is some assurance that this takeover's all it's cracked up to be, and I think I'll be a lot more comfortable with whatever manager they offer the job to. Unless it's Pulis, in which case I'll assume everyone involved in the deal is either insane or a sadist.
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i'd personally take Pearson over RD,
i don't think de Matteo would last 5 mins with our bunch of wazocks,
and I'm not sure he has the passion or work ethic to drive us out of the mire
I don't think we will be having a mass clear out either as many are on contracts and no one will buy them, so they will have to be 'handled' or a new overflow camp set up
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
I believe you! He'll do for me.
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
I think you should ask one of the Mod's to sticky it for you.
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I don't know who I want now, in all honesty. Di Matteo is meh, Pearson is mental. What I would like is some assurance that this takeover's all it's cracked up to be, and I think I'll be a lot more comfortable with whatever manager they offer the job to. Unless it's Pulis, in which case I'll assume everyone involved in the deal is either insane or a sadist.
What makes RDM meh?
That's an honest question, his stats are 1 promotion in from 1 season in the championship and then got sacked for being midtable. Then won the champions league and fa cup as a caretaker before getting sacked very early the next season which was pretty harsh. Finally he had a pretty decent season in in Germany before quitting because of disagreements with the board over summer signings. On paper he's out of our league so he'd be just as big a statement as Moyes for me. I don't recal lany of his teams being terrible to watch either.
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Bugger. I was beginning to think Moyes was finally going to take the plunge. Ah well, here's to us getting somebody in who actually wants the job; and that there won't be another stat-obsessed recruitment shyster employed to make the manager's job even harder than it already will be. Talking of which, I'm chuffed to learn Comolli won't be stinking Villa out now.
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
instead of putting success next to all his jobs you could also put Sacked,
apart from the MK dons one where he didn't turn up half the time and was lazy
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
"Ostrich obsessed strangling wanker's Claret and Blue army!"
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I think I'd be more impressed by Di Matteo if he'd had the full season at Chelsea and achieved what he did. It seemed like those players didn't like Villas-Boas at all, and it appeared to me that all Di Matteo did in response was to let Terry, Lampard and Drogba run the dressing room just as they had in the past. I stress, as it appeared to me - I know you can wave a European Cup and an FA Cup as high and proud as you like. I'm just underwhelmed by him personally.
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
instead of putting success next to all his jobs you could also put Sacked,
apart from the MK dons one where he didn't turn up half the time and was lazy
Sacked from the Baggies despite them being safely midtable which was a good performance for them, I suspect, because he was looking for another job.
Sacked from Chelsea because it was a Tuesday (I don't know if it was, insert your own arbitrary day in here) and Abramovich had run out of shreddies (or maybe coco pops).
Walked out of Schalke because they had a bust up over th esummer spending plans after a decent (but not brilliant) season.
So sacked as many times as Moyes who was being seen as a messiah by some on here and less times than Pearson who is the other favourite. Can you name many managers who've been at 4 clubs who don't have 2 or more sackings?
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I wonder if RDM is trying to hard bargain and playing us off against the Italian club he's said to be having talks with. Surely he'd rather go serie A than the Championship? I wonder if Dr X is prepared to consider other manager's at this late stage, well, late ish.
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
instead of putting success next to all his jobs you could also put Sacked,
apart from the MK dons one where he didn't turn up half the time and was lazy
Can't have been too bad as he got them to the playoff semis in their first season after promotion.
He got sacked by Albion and Chelsea, he wasn't sacked by MK or Schalke.
Pearson was sacked by Leicester, and Southampton and mutually consented by Carlisle.
I'm not sure that is the best argument in favour of the psychopath with the oversized head.
Actually, it probably is.
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
instead of putting success next to all his jobs you could also put Sacked,
apart from the MK dons one where he didn't turn up half the time and was lazy
Sacked from the Baggies despite them being safely midtable which was a good performance for them, I suspect, because he was looking for another job.
Sacked from Chelsea because it was a Tuesday (I don't know if it was, insert your own arbitrary day in here) and Abramovich had run out of shreddies (or maybe coco pops).
Walked out of Schalke because they had a bust up over th esummer spending plans after a decent (but not brilliant) season.
So sacked as many times as Moyes who was being seen as a messiah by some on here and less times than Pearson who is the other favourite. Can you name many managers who've been at 4 clubs who don't have 2 or more sackings?
I'm told that he is very much a big time Charlie and arrogant with it. Thought he was way too good for the Dons and Albion. Jeremy Peace clocked on and got rid because one or two of the players tipped him off. Chelsea essentially managed themselves.
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
instead of putting success next to all his jobs you could also put Sacked,
apart from the MK dons one where he didn't turn up half the time and was lazy
Sacked from the Baggies despite them being safely midtable which was a good performance for them, I suspect, because he was looking for another job.
Sacked from Chelsea because it was a Tuesday (I don't know if it was, insert your own arbitrary day in here) and Abramovich had run out of shreddies (or maybe coco pops).
Walked out of Schalke because they had a bust up over th esummer spending plans after a decent (but not brilliant) season.
So sacked as many times as Moyes who was being seen as a messiah by some on here and less times than Pearson who is the other favourite. Can you name many managers who've been at 4 clubs who don't have 2 or more sackings?
no,
but I was just trying to point out to cd bully that his post wasn't persuading those who arn't for turning
I wont be massively upset with De Matteo at all,
but I don't think he's head and shoulders above Pearson that's all, and I also think Pearson would be the sort of character we need to sort out the mess
but hey its only what i would prefer
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I wonder if RDM is trying to hard bargain and playing us off against the Italian club he's said to be having talks with. Surely he'd rather go serie A than the Championship? I wonder if Dr X is prepared to consider other manager's at this late stage, well, late ish.
He has a house round here apparently. The fact that he's spent most of his managerial career here suggests that he likes it in the UK.
If he gets us to the Premier League we'll probably pay more than all but a tiny number of Serie A clubs anyway. The Southampton manager is on more money than the all Italy-based managers with the exception of Inter and Juve. I expect a Villa manager who negotiated his deal after the increase in Premier League TV money would be on at least as much.
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
instead of putting success next to all his jobs you could also put Sacked,
apart from the MK dons one where he didn't turn up half the time and was lazy
Sacked from the Baggies despite them being safely midtable which was a good performance for them, I suspect, because he was looking for another job.
Sacked from Chelsea because it was a Tuesday (I don't know if it was, insert your own arbitrary day in here) and Abramovich had run out of shreddies (or maybe coco pops).
Walked out of Schalke because they had a bust up over th esummer spending plans after a decent (but not brilliant) season.
So sacked as many times as Moyes who was being seen as a messiah by some on here and less times than Pearson who is the other favourite. Can you name many managers who've been at 4 clubs who don't have 2 or more sackings?
no,
but I was just trying to point out to cd bully that his post wasn't persuading those who arn't for turning
I wont be massively upset with De Matteo at all,
but I don't think he's head and shoulders above Pearson that's all, and I also think Pearson would be the sort of character we need to sort out the mess
but hey its only what i would prefer
I'll convince you one day! ;)
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I like Di Matteo more, but in all honesty I think Pearson would have a bigger impact, particulary early on. He also won't suffer fools gladly. We don't have to be thinking of 2-3 years time. Pearson would be good to set us on our way, and then we do a Leicester and replace him with someone who can progress us from a hopefully solid footing in the top flight again.
He must hate Nigel Pearson then.
Maybe that's why he's so angry all the time, he catches himself in the mirror and gets himself in a bad mood for the day.
Maybe he's a staunch socialist that couldn't bear having to justify himself to the largely right wing press sat in front of him. And he'd heard James McArthur voted Tory. And the bloke he told to fuck off and die was wearing a Barbour jacket.
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
instead of putting success next to all his jobs you could also put Sacked,
apart from the MK dons one where he didn't turn up half the time and was lazy
Sacked from the Baggies despite them being safely midtable which was a good performance for them, I suspect, because he was looking for another job.
Sacked from Chelsea because it was a Tuesday (I don't know if it was, insert your own arbitrary day in here) and Abramovich had run out of shreddies (or maybe coco pops).
Walked out of Schalke because they had a bust up over th esummer spending plans after a decent (but not brilliant) season.
So sacked as many times as Moyes who was being seen as a messiah by some on here and less times than Pearson who is the other favourite. Can you name many managers who've been at 4 clubs who don't have 2 or more sackings?
no,
but I was just trying to point out to cd bully that his post wasn't persuading those who arn't for turning
I wont be massively upset with De Matteo at all,
but I don't think he's head and shoulders above Pearson that's all, and I also think Pearson would be the sort of character we need to sort out the mess
but hey its only what i would prefer
I'll convince you one day! ;)
i remember seeing Benteke play his first couple of games for Villa and thinking he was a bag of shit
look how that turned out
so i am here to be worked on
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I like Di Matteo more, but in all honesty I think Pearson would have a bigger impact, particulary early on. He also won't suffer fools gladly. We don't have to be thinking of 2-3 years time. Pearson would be good to set us on our way, and then we do a Leicester and replace him with someone who can progress us from a hopefully solid footing in the top flight again.
He must hate Nigel Pearson then.
Maybe that's why he's so angry all the time, he catches himself in the mirror and gets himself in a bad mood for the day.
Maybe he's a staunch socialist that couldn't bear having to justify himself to the largely right wing press sat in front of him. And he'd heard James McArthur voted Tory. And the bloke he told to fuck off and die was wearing a Barbour jacket.
In fairness to Pearson, one of the (very few!) things I like about him is that he ostracised (not ostrichcised) a player for voting BNP.
So his politics would at least appear more civilised than his son's.
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I'm concerned by talk of laziness with Di Matteo, and the talk of touting for other jobs. I'm more concerned by that than Pearson being a bit angry at times.
I've just returned from a stag weekend and been yet again told what a fantastic job Pearson did at Leicester by one of their fans. We still lambast O'Neill for the mess he left behind, well that certainly can't be levelled at him.
I remain convinced that he's the man the to begin a job of rebuilding us into a professional, disciplined outfit, throughout the club.
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I like Di Matteo more, but in all honesty I think Pearson would have a bigger impact, particulary early on. He also won't suffer fools gladly. We don't have to be thinking of 2-3 years time. Pearson would be good to set us on our way, and then we do a Leicester and replace him with someone who can progress us from a hopefully solid footing in the top flight again.
He must hate Nigel Pearson then.
Maybe that's why he's so angry all the time, he catches himself in the mirror and gets himself in a bad mood for the day.
Maybe he's a staunch socialist that couldn't bear having to justify himself to the largely right wing press sat in front of him. And he'd heard James McArthur voted Tory. And the bloke he told to fuck off and die was wearing a Barbour jacket.
He'll do for me then lol!
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I registered with a Leicester city forum after they won the League to wish them well and they were to a man VERY complimentary about Pearson and said what a great acquisition he would be for us, he is held in high affection over there - and that is good enough for me.
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They quite like O'Neill too though, and they hate Little!
Fuck 'em!
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
instead of putting success next to all his jobs you could also put Sacked
How many managers full stop could you not put 'sacked' next to though?!
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They quite like O'Neill too though, and they hate Little!
Fuck 'em!
To be fair, O'Neill promoted them and won 2 league cups and SBL fucked off to us as soon as we showed him a bit of ankle. I can at least see the line of logic!
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
instead of putting success next to all his jobs you could also put Sacked
How many managers full stop could you not put 'sacked' next to though?!
Not many
But CDB was making out his resume was something special when he'd been sacked from every job bar one
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If Moyes is out of the equation, then what about Fat Ed??
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If Moyes is out of the equation, then what about Fat Ed??
Hey! Get off my back - not interested in the job - the owner is suspicious (joking - don't sue me)
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
instead of putting success next to all his jobs you could also put Sacked
How many managers full stop could you not put 'sacked' next to though?!
Not many
But CDB was making out his resume was something special when he'd been sacked from every job bar one
He's been sacked twice. Pearson has been sacked twice. Ron Saunders was sacked by Man City before we got him.
There's not too many managers who have been around for any length of time who haven't been sacked.
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Oh, and "resume"?
I'm disappointed in you John.
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I'm not sure how often I have to post his CV on here to convince people that Di Matteo is not "meh"!
I give up. In Ostrich-Obsessed Strangling Wanker we trust.
*sobs.
instead of putting success next to all his jobs you could also put Sacked
How many managers full stop could you not put 'sacked' next to though?!
Not many
But CDB was making out his resume was something special when he'd been sacked from every job bar one
He's been sacked twice. Pearson has been sacked twice. Ron Saunders was sacked by Man City before we got him.
There's not too many managers who have been around for any length of time who haven't been sacked.
I just said that
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Daily star reporting that NP might turn us down as he's not happy being 3rd choice....
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Daily star reporting that NP might turn us down as he's not happy being 3rd choice....
The article seems very long on speculation and surmise and very short on facts, quotes or sources.
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Daily star reporting that NP might turn us down as he's not happy being 3rd choice....
He'll just have to suck it up and prove us wrong won't he, if we can't think of a decent alternative for Moyes then he's got nothing at all.
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Daily star reporting that NP might turn us down as he's not happy being 3rd choice....
Blimey, the bastion of all truth and honour. The Daily Star. (Probably true!!) We might end up with Warnock after all.
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Turn down the biggest job he will ever be offered? Lulz.
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I certainly hope so.
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I was speaking to someone earlier who suggested that now it looks like shagger Giggs is going to leave Man U. It could be worth taking a punt and give him his first job as a manager. :o
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What happened with Moyes? I thought we had the entire resource of China to back us up financially...he wouldn't be bothered about being in the Ch-ship if Dr X showed him in riches, would he?
I am not being totally serious btw.
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I was speaking to someone earlier who suggested that now it looks like shagger Giggs is going to leave Man U. It could be worth taking a punt and give him his first job as a manager. :o
Giggs and Neville would be a good combo in D1,
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Neville proved himself at Valencia. Exactly the type of gamble we should be taking in our perilous position.
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Daily star reporting that NP might turn us down as he's not happy being 3rd choice....
How would he know if he was third choice. Surely the club is just doing what any employer does and interviewing candidates. My guess is Moyes like Martinez a few years back just dropped out of the running as opposed to turning down an actual offer.
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Neville and Brian Kidd rumoured to be going with Jose to United.
Martinez mentioned for us again tonight.
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Neville and Brian Kidd rumoured to be going with Jose to United.
Martinez mentioned for us again tonight.
I'd take Martinez.
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Neville and Brian Kidd rumoured to be going with Jose to United.
Martinez mentioned for us again tonight.
Hmm, I can't see that. He is very single minded and self absorbed, taking a couple of makeweights for the ride. I can't see that.
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Neville and Brian Kidd rumoured to be going with Jose to United.
Martinez mentioned for us again tonight.
I'd take Martinez.
But will he be happy with being fourth choice?
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Neville and Brian Kidd rumoured to be going with Jose to United.
Martinez mentioned for us again tonight.
I'd take Martinez.
But will he be happy with being fourth choice?
He'd have to lump it. How many demands can a pair of eyebrows and a scratched bollock make?!
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I was speaking to someone earlier who suggested that now it looks like shagger Giggs is going to leave Man U. It could be worth taking a punt and give him his first job as a manager. :o
Giggs and Neville would be a good combo in D1,
Hahahaha, youre funny 8)
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I'd like Sven.
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No thanks to Martinez. I still like him, but he's turned us down twice already and I don't fancy us crawling to him a third time.
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Come on doctor Tony , announce Nigel as new manager today , then we can concentrate on the theme park
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The media have been chasing shadows on this story for weeks... None of them are close to it at all based on the widely contrasting stories they're peddling.
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The media have been chasing shadows on this story for weeks... None of them are close to it at all based on the widely contrasting stories they're peddling.
The media are proper getting on my tits recently. I mean, why does it even exist in the form that it's in?! Basically, journalists write completely fabricated stories or ones based on something off the rumour mill and 99% proves to be just that whilst the one story that looks vaguely like it was true, ends up being the scoop.
It's just like printing everything that 20 blokes said down the pub one night. Or on a fan forum.
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Bob Martin can fuck off
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Martinez? - no thx.
Sven? - no thx.
Since Howe and de Boer are unlikely to be persuaded to come to Villa, I'd say we are indeed down to the two most mentioned in the press. It's going to be Pearson or RdM, isn't it?!
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most likely but we have a habit of confounding the media in our often left field choices of manager so who knows. Dr T might pull a surprise rabbit out of the hat.
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Surely the fact Moyes wasn't actually offered it according to the more respected press and that Di Matteo us coming for a second round of talks suggests he would sooner live at home and manage us than up root to Lazio. I reckon he is more likely now.
And Pearson would still say yes. Hardly teams lining up for him are there!
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Pearson can fuck off if he thinks he deserves to be on another stupid shortlist of one. Leave him to his rantings and stranglings.
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According to the Mirror Moyes is on a short list of NINE for the Everton job. That's a very long short list.
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I hope that if it is a choice between Pearson and RDM, that we choose Pearson!
If it is RDM, then I will have to think carefully about renewing my season ticket
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...If it is RDM, then I will have to think carefully about renewing my season ticket
That could be enough for him to turn the job down
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According to Twitter, Cesare Prandelli is now favourite for the Lazio job - another indication Di Matteo might be heading this way?
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I think that, in spite of what I may have said on here, Pearson is a great manager and a thoroughly lovely chap.
Everton would be fools not to appoint him.
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According to Twitter, Cesare Prandelli is now favourite for the Lazio job - another indication Di Matteo might be heading this way?
I'm really dissapointed we never made a move for him when Lambert left. A self proclaimed Villa fan as well.
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According to Twitter, Cesare Prandelli is now favourite for the Lazio job - another indication Di Matteo might be heading this way?
I'm really dissapointed we never made a move for him when Lambert left. A self proclaimed Villa fan as well.
How do you know we didn't? Also, Villa fan or not (not that should be any criteria for hiring someone) maybe he didn't want to leave whatever paradise he lives for struggle at the arse end of the PL for an owner looking to sell and invest as little as possible.
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Bob Martin can fuck off
He almost killed my cat so I agree. Stick to frontline if you own a feline.
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According to Twitter, Cesare Prandelli is now favourite for the Lazio job - another indication Di Matteo might be heading this way?
I'm really dissapointed we never made a move for him when Lambert left. A self proclaimed Villa fan as well.
How do you know we didn't? Also, Villa fan or not (not that should be any criteria for hiring someone) maybe he didn't want to leave whatever paradise he lives for struggle at the arse end of the PL for an owner looking to sell and invest as little as possible.
Because we appointed Nice but Tim from a shortlist of one.
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According to Twitter, Cesare Prandelli is now favourite for the Lazio job - another indication Di Matteo might be heading this way?
I'm really dissapointed we never made a move for him when Lambert left. A self proclaimed Villa fan as well.
He's been to watch us, but he can't remember who we played or the score.
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According to Twitter, Cesare Prandelli is now favourite for the Lazio job - another indication Di Matteo might be heading this way?
I'm really dissapointed we never made a move for him when Lambert left. A self proclaimed Villa fan as well.
He's been to watch us, but he can't remember who we played or the score.
Sounds like our old owner.
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According to Twitter, Cesare Prandelli is now favourite for the Lazio job - another indication Di Matteo might be heading this way?
I'm really dissapointed we never made a move for him when Lambert left. A self proclaimed Villa fan as well.
He's been to watch us, but he can't remember who we played or the score.
Sounds like our old owner.
Actually, sounds a bit like our new owner as well.
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cant see there being a chance in hell we will or can appoint a manager until the ownership has gone through,
so it might be while yet
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According to Twitter, Cesare Prandelli is now favourite for the Lazio job - another indication Di Matteo might be heading this way?
I'm really dissapointed we never made a move for him when Lambert left. A self proclaimed Villa fan as well.
He's been to watch us, but he can't remember who we played or the score.
Sounds like our old owner.
And our prime minister.
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Forbes is sticking its oar in now, although this article doesn't say anything new about Tony X. Must admit I did not know the tail of Bee Taechaubol.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2016/05/24/aston-villa-and-tony-xia-are-looking-like-ac-milan-with-mr-bee/#29947adc65fd
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cant see there being a chance in hell we will or can appoint a manager until the ownership has gone through,
so it might be while yet
I think we'll have a manager before the week ends, reading between the lines of a few interviews/articles.
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Forbes is sticking its oar in now, although this article doesn't say anything new about Tony X. Must admit I did not know the tail of Bee Taechaubol.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2016/05/24/aston-villa-and-tony-xia-are-looking-like-ac-milan-with-mr-bee/#29947adc65fd
And they go on to say that he didn't have the money, but they are now being bought by a Chinese consortium with money. Click on the link, and the Chinese consortium is completely unknown, so they are just guessing. AliBaba said not, and Baidu made no comment.
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Forbes is sticking its oar in now, although this article doesn't say anything new about Tony X. Must admit I did not know the tail of Bee Taechaubol.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2016/05/24/aston-villa-and-tony-xia-are-looking-like-ac-milan-with-mr-bee/#29947adc65fd
It doesn't really mean anything though. Yes, there was once an Asian chap who tried to buy a football club and couldn't.
It's not relevant at all to the Asian chap who is trying to buy Villa.
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Forbes is sticking its oar in now, although this article doesn't say anything new about Tony X. Must admit I did not know the tail of Bee Taechaubol.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2016/05/24/aston-villa-and-tony-xia-are-looking-like-ac-milan-with-mr-bee/#29947adc65fd
It doesn't really mean anything though. Yes, there was once an Asian chap who tried to buy a football club and couldn't.
It's not relevant at all to the Asian chap who is trying to buy Villa.
Sorry, I meant to put this in the RECON thread.
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Forbes is sticking its oar in now, although this article doesn't say anything new about Tony X. Must admit I did not know the tail of Bee Taechaubol.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2016/05/24/aston-villa-and-tony-xia-are-looking-like-ac-milan-with-mr-bee/#29947adc65fd
It doesn't really mean anything though. Yes, there was once an Asian chap who tried to buy a football club and couldn't.
It's not relevant at all to the Asian chap who is trying to buy Villa.
Yes the basis of this article seems to be 'this guy is from the Far East so he must be lying'.
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cant see there being a chance in hell we will or can appoint a manager until the ownership has gone through,
so it might be while yet
I think we'll have a manager before the week ends, reading between the lines of a few interviews/articles.
I think we will too. Thursday is my guess.
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With Prandelli taking Lazio surely it will be Di Matteo in the next couple of days.
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With Prandelli taking Lazio surely it will be Di Matteo in the next couple of days.
I doubt anything will happen until Dr X officially owns the club
Club sold
Board appointed
Manager appointed
Coaching team named
Player matters begin
That has to happen in that order
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No it doesn't. If Hollis and tone agree the manager he will be appointed this week by Hollis both said so last week.
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Hollis and Little by all accounts went for Pearson.Zia prefers RDM.All this means....god only knows.
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Could be that Di Matteo is first choice and always has been for Xia but the delay is due to Lazio deciding whether they want him?
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No it doesn't. If Hollis and tone agree the manager he will be appointed this week by Hollis both said so last week.
would a manager sign a contract when the club isnt official sold?
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I can see the appeal of him. He's not a bad shout CV wise.
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I can see the appeal of him. He's not a bad shout CV wise.
All three of the linked managers have the ability to take us up, in my opinion.
Do Matteo would probably have been my third choice, but if it's him, i'm pretty happy.
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I will be down to Pearson or Pearson and it will drag on for months and months
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I will be down to Pearson or Pearson and it will drag on for months and months
I'm hoping on it being sorted this week, as we all know delay will be damaging.
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No it doesn't. If Hollis and tone agree the manager he will be appointed this week by Hollis both said so last week.
would a manager sign a contract when the club isnt official sold?
Ask Leroy Rosenior
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/05/24/aston-villa-new-owner-lines-up-roberto-di-matteo-and-prepares-to/
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I get the impression he is name dropping Di Matteo to avoid egg on his face over Moyes. I dont know why but it just feels strange him talking about someone who hasnt signed if there isnt something in it. Maybe its a cultural thing but he is being very open book at the moment
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I get the impression he is name dropping Di Matteo to avoid egg on his face over Moyes. I dont know why but it just feels strange him talking about someone who hasnt signed if there isnt something in it. Maybe its a cultural thing but he is being very open book at the moment
It's probably more to do with the fact we are not used to it
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One clear advantage of Di Matteo, which I'm disappointed doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet, is that his name works really well with the Trevor Fisher song.
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Didn't Xia say last week that he knows who the manager is but doesn't want to say anything just yet and all will be revealed next week, or something along those lines?
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The Pearson 'in waiting' talk has been round since Garde's sacking, if we don't appoint him now then I'd be very surprised. Especially as he's Hollis' first choice, and legally, Hollis is still running the club. So, I assume he's got a bit of influence on Dr Xia.
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I wonder if Flores from Watford, or Oscar Garcia, who was at Brighton are being considered?
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The Pearson 'in waiting' talk has been round since Garde's sacking, if we don't appoint him now then I'd be very surprised. Especially as he's Hollis' first choice, and legally, Hollis is still running the club. So, I assume he's got a bit of influence on Dr Xia.
I think it would be wrong to assume Hollis has any influence on the new owner at all (especially once the sale is rubber stamped).
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One clear advantage of Di Matteo, which I'm disappointed doesn't seem to have been mentioned yet, is that his name works really well with the Trevor Fisher song.
what to this?
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The Pearson 'in waiting' talk has been round since Garde's sacking, if we don't appoint him now then I'd be very surprised. Especially as he's Hollis' first choice, and legally, Hollis is still running the club. So, I assume he's got a bit of influence on Dr Xia.
I think it would be wrong to assume Hollis has any influence on the new owner at all (especially once the sale is rubber stamped).
I'd like to think Dr Xia would get some advice from people who know the club. Who knows?
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The Pearson 'in waiting' talk has been round since Garde's sacking, if we don't appoint him now then I'd be very surprised. Especially as he's Hollis' first choice, and legally, Hollis is still running the club. So, I assume he's got a bit of influence on Dr Xia.
I think it would be wrong to assume Hollis has any influence on the new owner at all (especially once the sale is rubber stamped).
I'd like to think Dr Xia would get some advice from people who know the club. Who knows?
Why are we assuming that he is Hollis' first choice?
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We'd better get a move on, he'll get snapped up otherwise....
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Zia hasn't got control of the club yet therefore a manager is unlikely to be named until the Football League deem him to be a worthy custodian of the ownership.
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Zia hasn't got control of the club yet therefore a manager is unlikely to be named until the Football League deem him to be a worthy custodian of the ownership.
Who the f**k is Zia? - Pakistani former General and President?
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Dr X
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Isn't he the head of SPECTRE though?
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Didn't Xia say last week that he knows who the manager is but doesn't want to say anything just yet and all will be revealed next week, or something along those lines?
One thing gnawing at the back of my mind is this continual " next week " thing, given that, in a week or so the Championship play-offs and Toulon ( U 21s ) Tournament will be over, which could ostensibly put Steve Bruce or Gareth Southgate in the frame. I was going to include ´Dai´Coleman but thankfully that ship has sailed. Probably just ´dark imaginings´ brought on by , Villa induced, abject depression ,hopefully all will be settled by weeks end and I can rest easy. ................Godzvilla!
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Zia hasn't got control of the club yet therefore a manager is unlikely to be named until the Football League deem him to be a worthy custodian of the ownership.
Who the f**k is Zia? - Pakistani former General and President?
Oops please accept my most humble apologies!
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The Pearson 'in waiting' talk has been round since Garde's sacking, if we don't appoint him now then I'd be very surprised. Especially as he's Hollis' first choice, and legally, Hollis is still running the club. So, I assume he's got a bit of influence on Dr Xia.
I think it would be wrong to assume Hollis has any influence on the new owner at all (especially once the sale is rubber stamped).
I'd like to think Dr Xia would get some advice from people who know the club. Who knows?
Why are we assuming that he is Hollis' first choice?
I'm not assuming, I'm going off what I've read in the paper.
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Dr X
Any relation to Malcolm?
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I'd have really liked Dyche for some reason.
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I'd have really liked Dyche for some reason.
I'm glad there's no chance of Dyche, he always sounds like he's got a fly down his throat after a match and his beard is a shocker.
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I'd have really liked Dyche for some reason.
I'm glad there's no chance of Dyche, he always sounds like he's got a fly down his throat after a match and his beard is a shocker.
He looks like a bouncer and his voice sounds like he should be commentating on Rugby League.
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Dyche could be the new Guardiola for all I know, but Christ in heaven that beard.
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LVG...
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I have no source but someone just text me saying Pearson has ruled himself out - something about not wanting to be 2nd fiddle / choice
Probably BS
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I have no source but someone just text me saying Pearson has ruled himself out - something about not wanting to be 2nd fiddle / choice
Probably BS
Well he'd be 3rd choice. And that's not even including all the managers who are so good there was no point in us talking to them.
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I think I'm mentally set on RDM, and it's not that bad really. He speaks well, his record isn't all that bad. He'd got us promoted and he's had management experience and playing experience abroad and international experience. He brings a lot of good things to the table and he will present himself very well as an ambassador of the club.
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Di Matteo for me. I would have preferred Moyes, but I'm risk averse. Pearson can go fuck off and strangle his son or something, would prefer not to have the arrogant, know it all, gob shite at the club.
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I'd like Dyche. I'd have also liked Rodgers, even though he get's on my nerves.
Pearson is the type we need. Someone who can motivate and be the boss. Garde was never the boss, you could tell just by looking at him that he never had the players onside.
I like the way Roberto Martinez's team attack, but he wouldn't get the fight and steel needed for the championship.
Di Matteo?... I haven't a clue, I didn't take any notice of him anywhere he's been really. Obviously the CL win for Chelsea, but he had a great side with a fantastic spine, Cech, Terry, Lampard, Mata and Drogba.
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Why was that cnn lady talking abot LVG lol! And why have i seen Sven on my twitter timeline!!!
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I just don't think Di Matteo is the man to completely rebuild our playing staff. I really hope I'm wrong.
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Why was that cnn lady talking abot LVG lol! And why have i seen Sven on my twitter timeline!!!
(https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSnO4J-SsAKgAKUiSIFjnNpXbqTN5V0l6soMubNcAPVVQBGLn4D)
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Am I the only one that doesn't think Rafa staying at Newcastle means they will win the league?
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I think Newcastle will go straight back up. We really need to make the right appointment now.
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Everyone does. Thats the point. They could not beat Norwich, Villa or Sunderland with him there at the end of the season. Nothing about their squad suggests they will battle to get out. A fair few of their players will have constant speculation on their futures, as will Benitez every time a job comes up in Europe or the premier league. I don't think they are the certs people are making out just because of Rafa.
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Am I the only one that doesn't think Rafa staying at Newcastle means they will win the league?
I think it makes them extremely likely to finish in the top two.
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Am I the only one that doesn't think Rafa staying at Newcastle means they will win the league?
I think it makes them extremely likely to finish in the top two.
If they start well it will be like trying to stop a juggernaut.
If they struggle to start with, it could well turn out to be car crash & popcorn TV. He doesn't always do well under pressure, Mr. Benetiz. Just ask him for some facts on getting promoted.
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RDM might be good enough to get us up again first time but I have my doubts,
He just seems lightweight for the job we need,
we know he's capable of maintaining, organising and tweeking around a bit, but this job is a total rebuild of confidence and playing style plus a influx to and thro of players,
I don't think he will be up to the job
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Everyone does. Thats the point. They could not beat Norwich, Villa or Sunderland with him there at the end of the season. Nothing about their squad suggests they will battle to get out. A fair few of their players will have constant speculation on their futures, as will Benitez every time a job comes up in Europe or the premier league. I don't think they are the certs people are making out just because of Rafa.
Rafa improved them ten fold (at least). I don't think he would have stayed if he wasn't cock sure about taking them straight back up. I'd say certs as Rafa certainly ain't no fool. But saying that there is of course always "the Newcastle factor" to consider lol
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RDM might be good enough to get us up again first time but I have my doubts,
He just seems lightweight for the job we need,
we know he's capable of maintaining, organising and tweeking around a bit, but this job is a total rebuild of confidence and playing style plus a influx to and thro of players,
I don't think he will be up to the job
Same here. What link is there to him and Xia?
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I personally think Benitez will get them back up first time, but I couldn't give a monkey's about them tbh. My real concern is who gets the gig at VP - as it's absolutely essential to us that the right man comes in to sort out the mess that we're in. I can't say I feel thrilled about RDM's probable imminent arrival, but - like everyone else here - I sincerely hope he can get us playing winning football again. It'll have been a long time coming!
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He took Albion, who finished bottom, up after taking them over that summer. I accept it is different here, but he knows what is needed to get out of it. I think he or Pearson will have us top 4-6 in there. Top 2 will be a lottery between 3-4 teams. You look at the actual 11 Brighton put out each week and think they got 89 points. Even with how poor we were, a lot of our squad would walk into theirs. We need a spine, and a strong one. Di Matteo knows how important that is. As VID said, it will all be how sides start though. Basically it is a race to 90 points.
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Am I the only one that doesn't think Rafa staying at Newcastle means they will win the league?
I think it makes them extremely likely to finish in the top two.
Hopefully the competition will make us stronger.
I have serious doubts about Di Matteo, I like him as a gent but have to question his desire. We can't afford to have a manager that's not willing to give everything, every last drop to succeed.
I've been working my way through Pearson's promotional season at Leicester on youtube and a few things have raised my eyes. They attack in numbers but their defence looks ropey. I was impressed with the comments of King who stated the "everybody came back really fit and raring to go", and it shows. Much like the team this season, the work ethic is superb. I'm only into November but I've never seen a team get so many penalties.
Whether di Matteo or Pearson, apart from the money to invest, the key for me is they bring in a strong backroom staff.
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Benitez staying is a big plus for them because he will convince some of their better players to stay. And they do have some good players on their books. They are clear favourites for promotion now.
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Agreed on that Rudy. Back room staff are something we have struggled badly with for a long time. We need a really strong set up in place IMO. 2-3top coaches, a strong assistant and a good keeping coach, because Parks has ruined Guzan!
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RDM might be good enough to get us up again first time but I have my doubts,
He just seems lightweight for the job we need,
we know he's capable of maintaining, organising and tweeking around a bit, but this job is a total rebuild of confidence and playing style plus a influx to and thro of players,
I don't think he will be up to the job
Gabby will fall around laughing if Xia gives the job to RDM
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"He has a great charisma, in the dressing room, but also in public. And a successful career is also helpful for him" he added.
"Everyone know that he has won the Champions League with matches against Barca and Bayern. They all said he had no chance, but he achieved it regardless. We all perceived it like that.
"But the most important thing remains his aura. When he enters the room it's clear that he is the boss."
Benedict Howdes talking about DiMatteo taking a hard line with some of the younger players at Shalke after DiMatteo had outlined how much discipline needed to be installed. I think he will be ok.
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We need to be positive. We got what we wanted, a new owner who appears willing to put investment in. It looks like we're getting a bright new manager in RDM. For me part 3 is to build a good back room team and then get shot of the wasters and the shockingly bad from the squad. I think we're on the right track again.
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Whos the new owner i think this will get threw out
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Whos the new owner i think this will get threw out
Why?
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Whos the new owner i think this will get threw out
Why?
What?
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I think everybody should be threw out.
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Come on Villa pull your finger out and appoint someone.
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Whos the new owner i think this will get threw out
Why?
What?
He was off the pitch getting treatment.
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Whos the new owner i think this will get threw out
Why?
What?
He was off the pitch getting treatment.
Who?
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We've met the release clause for the manager we want but his current club are hoping for a bidding war.
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Whos the new owner i think this will get threw out
Why?
What?
He was off the pitch getting treatment.
Carlton Palmer
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He wants to ensure there is a five year plan.
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well were told it'd be this week so not long to go.
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tick tock
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We've met the release clause for the manager we want but his current club are hoping for a bidding war.
Someone already in a role then? They are going to catch us off guard (not remi) again arent they...
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We've met the release clause for the manager we want but his current club are hoping for a bidding war.
Blimey. And there was I thinking Eddie Howe was very happy with life at B-muff!!
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Dr Tony oh you're doing all the right things this is exciting
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I aint got this, whose the flavour of the day??
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Dyche?
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I think the comments about meeting a release clause are said in irony and follow on from the 'let's hope someone bids above Benteke's release clause' masterclass.
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To pass the time let's turn this into a prediction thread.
Who will the manager be? What date and time will he be confirmed? For clarification, he's "confirmed" once he's been named on the club website or Twitter page, whichever is first.
I'll go...
Di Matteo.
6th of June.
1700.
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I think the comments about meeting a release clause are said in irony and follow on from the 'let's hope someone bids above Benteke's release clause' masterclass.
Oh I thought it was true ! Made sense to me ! So it's not ?
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Joking aside, earlier in the week the E and S was suggesting that there was a fourth name on the shortlist beside Moyes, Pearson and Di Matteo but that the club were being very cagey about who it was. They seemed to think it wasn't Dyche.
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Still think RDM
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Does anyone know who Di Matteo has worked with as his assistants at other clubs?
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Still think RDM
From Dr Tony's interview in the Torygraph last night it looks like it.
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Still think RDM
EVerybody Hurts.....Sometimes.
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Still think RDM
EVerybody Hurts.....Sometimes.
:-)
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Does anyone know who Di Matteo has worked with as his assistants at other clubs?
Eddie Newton and Steve Holland
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So all managers have release clauses? Or some ? It surely not so all as compensation is paid to release from contracts .
So it's going to be a either good experiences , savy , employed manager who has a release clause .
I can only see Steve Bruce and Kick Mcarthy Chris Hughton within championship with the criteria having manager both league . And all managed rivals and be deeply underwhelming. In the now premier league dyce, pulis and allaydce.
Now all these names have been said from the start however maybe I'm missing someone? As with the money now avalible it would be great opportunity but perhaps for now if that rumour of meeting release clause and criteria of promotion winning /prem league experience manager then these are only real candidates. So it's not so exciting but interesting.
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Can someone be cleAr that there isn't a manager who release clause waiting in wings to be met?
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Does anyone know who Di Matteo has worked with as his assistants at other clubs?
Eddie Newton and Steve Holland
Still at Chelsea. Just looked and at Schalke he had two Italians, Lombardo and Battara, who I doubt he'd want for here. No idea then who his team would be if he joined.
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If he got Holland and Newton to come it would be impressive. Chelsea think very highly of Holland as a coach.
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Can someone be cleAr that there isn't a manager who release clause waiting in wings to be met?
There's no suggestion that there is, footyskillz. It was just people referring to the Benteke clause and the related badinage at the time. Looks like Di Matteo to me, jdging by the Telegraph interview. Not that I know anything, mind.
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Can someone be cleAr that there isn't a manager who release clause waiting in wings to be met?
I think we've established it was a non topical joke that quickly spiralled out of control!
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Can someone be cleAr that there isn't a manager who release clause waiting in wings to be met?
There's no suggestion that there is, footyskillz. It was just people referring to the Benteke clause and the related badinage at the time. Looks like Di Matteo to me, jdging by the Telegraph interview. Not that I know anything, mind.
Thank you mr ealing
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I missed the joke but I get there's no releases clauses I worried that from deductions the only manager could be one of those ! So I too would be surprised if not RDM and had onirisk excitement that a new name in frame then worked out it would have been already suggested name then it turns out it's no name just 3 letters. Hahaha I have to laugh at mt last 25 frantic minutes looking all over internet for the news as well as SSN breaking news. Maybe CNN is the channel or something . Anyway I think there could be a surprise but I would take RDM and yes those coaches seem promising
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If he got Holland and Newton to come it would be impressive. Chelsea think very highly of Holland as a coach.
Holland as a footballing nation not so much. They didn't qualify for the euros16
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All of this is absolute bollocks.
RdM won the Champions League at Chelski by bringing back the likes of JT & Co after AVB's plan to rebuild post Ancelotti had failed. All he did was get in the old guard again.
When he (RdM) was sacked soon after, Rafa Benitez was appointed and immediately stated that he had never come across such an unfit set of players.
Why?
Because RdM got lucky and let them do what they wanted.
Everywhere else he has been he has been found out.
He has no balls and is an Italian Remi Garde. Probably a lovely guy to live next door to, but not the guy to roll his sleeves up and get Villa out of the shite that they're in.
"And the music played on as the ship went down......."
It's a disgrace.
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Isn't the fitness thing just a new manager line? Sherwood said it last season. Garde then said it. Benitez said it at Newcastle. Allardyce said it at Sunderland. It's just a get out of jail free early.
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Release clause for an out of work manager?
I wonder if we are still interested in Steve Bruce?
I think I would prefer Pearson to RDM. RDM has a reputation for being lazy and arrogant.
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Because RdM got lucky and let them do what they wanted.
Everywhere else he has been he has been found out.
He has no balls and is an Italian Remi Garde. Probably a lovely guy to live next door to, but not the guy to roll his sleeves up and get Villa out of
MK Dons, play offs first attempt.
Wba, promoted at first attempt, best start in their Premier League history.
Chelsea, 2 trophies, sacked when 3rd with 23 pts from 11 games.
Schalke, took over 11th finished 6th.
With due respect, you're talking shite.
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RDM has a reputation for being lazy and arrogant.
like most of our playing squad
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A new Remi Garde is being lined up to replace the old.
Pearson was Hollis' choice, yet somehow the announcements are all about RdM after he stepped in and won the Champions League with somebody else's team.
Every time we get a glimmer of hope it's always dashed.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum, just when we thought we were at ground zero - a bottomless pit appears. We have been brow beaten into watching our decaying club continue to rot away and we watch on helplessly.
So very sad and disappointing.
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RDM has a reputation for being lazy and arrogant.
like most of our playing squad
Correct. Let the shit see the shit as Paddy McGuinness would say.
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A new Remi Garde is being lined up to replace the old.
Pearson was Hollis' choice, yet somehow the announcements are all about RdM after he stepped in and won the Champions League with somebody else's team.
Every time we get a glimmer of hope it's always dashed.
The lunatics have taken over the asylum, just when we thought we were at ground zero - a bottomless pit appears. We have been brow beaten into watching our decaying club continue to rot away and we watch on helplessly.
So very sad and disappointing.
Ok, I can get the concerns about RDM being a bit lazy etc, but this has to be the most melodramatic couple of posts I have seen in day or so. Brilliant.
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What reputation?
That's completely needs to be challenged in regard to
RDM . That's more opinion to call someone lazy and arrogant what evidence to suggest this as a consistent attributes this guy has and I presume you mean as a manager rather than person.
The new owner has looked at creditentials and looks like he fits well. Can't say fairer than that
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West Brom fans always maintain that Peace sacked him because he was hardly ever at training and didn't really care about the job and was always touting for something better. Now to get something better than Villa, he is going to have to get us up, and keep us there. As for never there, if he appoints a really good coaching team and is less hands on then again, I am not fussed as long as it gets results.
My fear is ending up with Pearson who will end up causing more headaches than solving them.
One up of RDM is that you might get 3-4 young Chelsea lads on loan. There are some very decent ones there that won't be playing much too.
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Regarding Pearson though, what headaches did he create with the players? On the whole the things you hear are very positive about him with his players especially at Leicester.
And do you blame RDM for wanting out at Albion?
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Agree on both counts, TV.
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Because RdM got lucky and let them do what they wanted.
Everywhere else he has been he has been found out.
He has no balls and is an Italian Remi Garde. Probably a lovely guy to live next door to, but not the guy to roll his sleeves up and get Villa out of
MK Dons, play offs first attempt.
Wba, promoted at first attempt, best start in their Premier League history.
Chelsea, 2 trophies, sacked when 3rd with 23 pts from 11 games.
Schalke, took over 11th finished 6th.
With due respect, you're talking shite.
With you here...and quite what we are expecting being a championship club I don't know.
Read that at Schalke the players all respected him and knew who was boss as soon as he walked through the door. And that at a club that was said to be a nightmare to manage...
We could an awful lot worse with what's out there given the current state of our club.
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One name that hasn't been mentioned is ........Gary Penrice.
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Regarding Pearson though, what headaches did he create with the players? On the whole the things you hear are very positive about him with his players especially at Leicester.
And do you blame RDM for wanting out at Albion?
For me the headaches are the bad publicity he draws rather than anything relating to the players.
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You can pick faults with all managers. It's a results game and, the better the results, the more forgiving are the fans.
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West Brom fans always maintain that Peace sacked him because he was hardly ever at training and didn't really care about the job and was always touting for something better. Now to get something better than Villa, he is going to have to get us up, and keep us there. As for never there, if he appoints a really good coaching team and is less hands on then again, I am not fussed as long as it gets results.
My fear is ending up with Pearson who will end up causing more headaches than solving them.
One up of RDM is that you might get 3-4 young Chelsea lads on loan. There are some very decent ones there that won't be playing much too.
See this has never bothered me. I've been at clubs where the manager is everywhere, and others where training is just the coaches and you see the manager on matchday.Two examples - Bobby Hope at Bromsgrove was not only there for training but joined in. Chris Wright at Stafford and Alvechurch was rarely seen at training. Made not a jot of difference. As long as you have confidence in those who are doing the sessions and the manager come Saturday, the ship is run tightly. It's when the players have little regard for one or the other that the trouble starts.
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Let's be honest, no one is going to be the perfect fit are they. We are beggars at the moment, due to the incredibly poor running of the club and where we now sit. RDM, Pearson, Bruce, Moyes et al, all come with baggage.
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Better player fitness levels, better defending of set plays, more goals from our own set pieces, a distinctive playing style, clear commitment from the players, the judicious use of our promising youth players, a focus on the short-term but an eye to the medium/long-term, someone who talks up the club and understands the history of the club ...
These are the basics of the new manager job description.
I don't care who it is as long as the successful candidate can tick these boxes, but I'd guess those that could tick them are Howe, Hughton and Pearson.
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I do find it incredible that given an Ashley run Newcastle is nearly as much of a basket case as us yet unlike us have managed to persuade a top class manager to stay with them and seemingly funds for players isn't going to be an issue. Yet here we are nearly three months after sacking our manager and we are down to an awe inspiring choice of Di Matteo or Pearson.
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Plus the ability to smile occasionally would help morale, ours and the players'. Perhaps there is no place for BFR's sing alongs on the team bus but they players must be more confident in a happier mix.
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Did anybody hear Neil Warnock on talksport? Somebody on Facebook said he was dropping heavy hints. Surely not.
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if it is RDM (probably our best bet right now) the notion of two champions league winning managers in the Championship next season seems pretty noteworthy.
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Did anybody hear Neil Warnock on talksport? Somebody on Facebook said he was dropping heavy hints. Surely not.
Again not awe inspiring but I am probably one of the few people who think he would get us up. It isn't long term but he does a job and doesn't stand any crap. We need to realise we are in the Championship and have to get back up within two years.
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Did anybody hear Neil Warnock on talksport? Somebody on Facebook said he was dropping heavy hints. Surely not.
I heard him, nothing in it, just wants another job and didn't want to lose face by saying "I have no chance of managing a club the size and stature of Villa".
Must get a Mod to change my user name - HELP!!
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And 2 European Cup winning teams.
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Conspiracy theory time. If Tone knows who his man is, and we're led to believe it's Pearson or Di Matteo, then why the delay? Why not appoint them now seeing as they're both available?
Something is nagging at me that we are waiting until after the Championship play off final...and Steve Bruce.
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I wouldn't mind Warnock....
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I wouldn't mind Warnock....
Now go and wash your mouth out immediately
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I would absolutely hate having Warnock in charge, and it would have the double negative impact of making me completely lose faith in Dr Tony.
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I wouldn't mind Warnock....
Now go and wash your mouth out immediately
Done. (with a can of gin and tonic)
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Benitez is obviously a very good manager, his record says as much. That said, I don't think that will necessarily translate to the long, hard slog of a Championship season. I don't mean in terms of the type of football but in the seeming unremitting, relentless nature of a league season consisting of 46 games. He may do very well but I am would not take it for granted.
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Conspiracy theory time. If Tone knows who his man is, and we're led to believe it's Pearson or Di Matteo, then why the delay? Why not appoint them now seeing as they're both available?
Something is nagging at me that we are waiting until after the Championship play off final...and Steve Bruce.
The good Doctor is quoted as saying " The club will announce its new manager in “one to two days”, apparently they are " seeking candidate who has achieved success in the Championship, has experience in the Premier League “and maybe on European battlefields " and who has " a diverse cultural and international background ”.............draw your own conclusions but that doesn´t scream " Pearson " to me .....unless he has some ´diverse´ International experience we haven´t heard about ...........Godzvilla!.
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Did anybody hear Neil Warnock on talksport? Somebody on Facebook said he was dropping heavy hints. Surely not.
Again not awe inspiring but I am probably one of the few people who think he would get us up. It isn't long term but he does a job and doesn't stand any crap.
I have a few friends who are Leeds fans who would have a good laugh at you for thinking that.
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Conspiracy theory time. If Tone knows who his man is, and we're led to believe it's Pearson or Di Matteo, then why the delay? Why not appoint them now seeing as they're both available?
Something is nagging at me that we are waiting until after the Championship play off final...and Steve Bruce.
The good Doctor is quoted as saying " The club will announce its new manager in “one to two days”, apparently they are " seeking candidate who has achieved success in the Championship, has experience in the Premier League “and maybe on European battlefields " and who has " a diverse cultural and international background ”.............draw your own conclusions but that doesn´t scream " Pearson " to me .....unless he has some ´diverse´ International experience we haven´t heard about ...........Godzvilla!.
His son definitely has some diverse international experience.
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And 2 European Cup winning teams.
And my Leeds supporting friends would dispute that as well (even though they didn't actually win the 75 final they have claimed it and sing about being champions of Europe).
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no no no no no, Warnock coming in would make it very difficult for me to follow the club, the guy is thoroughly deserving of his well known anagram. On top of that he's a crap manager who has been quickly found out in pretty much every job he's had, he's the sort of manager I suspect we'd have been looking at if we hadn't been sold.
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Did anybody hear Neil Warnock on talksport? Somebody on Facebook said he was dropping heavy hints. Surely not.
Again not awe inspiring but I am probably one of the few people who think he would get us up. It isn't long term but he does a job and doesn't stand any crap.
I have a few friends who are Leeds fans who would have a good laugh at you for thinking that.
At a really stable club that, oh yeh forgot we are the same. But Sheffield United, Crystal Palace, QPR, Rotherham would say different.
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I do find it incredible that given an Ashley run Newcastle is nearly as much of a basket case as us yet unlike us have managed to persuade a top class manager to stay with them and seemingly funds for players isn't going to be an issue. Yet here we are nearly three months after sacking our manager and we are down to an awe inspiring choice of Di Matteo or Pearson.
Wasn't Benitez reported to have asked similar demands of Randy Lerner when interviewed (after Houllier left I think), which was the reason he wasn't interested. He wants money to spend and he wants to be in sole control and given authority to change the academy set-up to his liking too. In other words, give me all the tools and I will rebuild.
In hindsight it might have turned out cheaper for Randy in the long-run if he'd gone that way with someone of his experience.
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so another MON then but one with a more exotic sounding name ?
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Probably bullshit but some bloke has posted a picture of himself with Moyes, saying that he's said he hopes he's going to be Villa manager. I'm calling bullshit, but...
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Probably bullshit but some bloke has posted a picture of himself with Moyes, saying that he's said he hopes he's going to be Villa manager. I'm calling bullshit, but...
20-1, I'm going to have a punt.
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I don't care anymore becuase whoever it is someone wont be happy
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Probably bullshit but some bloke has posted a picture of himself with Moyes, saying that he's said he hopes he's going to be Villa manager. I'm calling bullshit, but...
time will tell...
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Probably bullshit but some bloke has posted a picture of himself with Moyes, saying that he's said he hopes he's going to be Villa manager. I'm calling bullshit, but...
20-1, I'm going to have a punt.
Clearly bollocks. Posted a second picture where Moyes is dressed differently driving off. Attention seeking.
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I had a fiver on Moyes at 16/1 a while back. So I'm happy for any link :) (even a shit one)
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no no no no no, Warnock coming in would make it very difficult for me to follow the club, the guy is thoroughly deserving of his well known anagram. On top of that he's a crap manager who has been quickly found out in pretty much every job he's had, he's the sort of manager I suspect we'd have been looking at if we hadn't been sold.
Crap managers don't achieve seven promotions on very limited resources. We could do worse than Warnock, if he was to manage the Villa which I doubt he would be offered the job at least he knows the league inside out. I would prefer Moyes but it isn't likely to happen.
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no no no no no, Warnock coming in would make it very difficult for me to follow the club, the guy is thoroughly deserving of his well known anagram. On top of that he's a crap manager who has been quickly found out in pretty much every job he's had, he's the sort of manager I suspect we'd have been looking at if we hadn't been sold.
Crap managers don't achieve seven promotions on very limited resources. We could do worse than Warnock, if he was to manage the Villa which I doubt he would be offered the job at least he knows the league inside out. I would prefer Moyes but it isn't likely to happen.
He knows the league because he's not good enough to manage at any level above it.
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I'm just hoping that whoever gets the job makes this current bunch of wankers (ie the first team squad) wish they were anywhere but here.
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Isn't the fitness thing just a new manager line? Sherwood said it last season. Garde then said it. Benitez said it at Newcastle. Allardyce said it at Sunderland. It's just a get out of jail free early.
From memory I think our and Sunderland's stats (lack of ground covered etc) really supported those arguments though (no idea about Newcastle).
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I do find it incredible that given an Ashley run Newcastle is nearly as much of a basket case as us yet unlike us have managed to persuade a top class manager to stay with them and seemingly funds for players isn't going to be an issue. Yet here we are nearly three months after sacking our manager and we are down to an awe inspiring choice of Di Matteo or Pearson.
Wasn't Benitez reported to have asked similar demands of Randy Lerner when interviewed (after Houllier left I think), which was the reason he wasn't interested. He wants money to spend and he wants to be in sole control and given authority to change the academy set-up to his liking too. In other words, give me all the tools and I will rebuild.
In hindsight it might have turned out cheaper for Randy in the long-run if he'd gone that way with someone of his experience.
To be honest, I'd rather have had Benitez running the club from top to bottom rather than it have been in the hands of Lerner, Faulkner, Fox etc.
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I'm just hoping that whoever gets the job makes this current bunch of wankers (ie the first team squad) wish they were anywhere but here.
Spot on.
The new manager needs to be able to get rid of all the crap he'll inherit which means Dr X will need deep pockets to pay them off.
Building a new Villa doesn't need a base of crap squad players.
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I'm just hoping that whoever gets the job makes this current bunch of wankers (ie the first team squad) wish they were anywhere but here.
Spot on.
The new manager needs to be able to get rid of all the crap he'll inherit which means Dr X will need deep pockets to pay them off.
Which players do you envisage being "paid off"?
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no no no no no, Warnock coming in would make it very difficult for me to follow the club, the guy is thoroughly deserving of his well known anagram. On top of that he's a crap manager who has been quickly found out in pretty much every job he's had, he's the sort of manager I suspect we'd have been looking at if we hadn't been sold.
Crap managers don't achieve seven promotions on very limited resources. We could do worse than Warnock, if he was to manage the Villa which I doubt he would be offered the job at least he knows the league inside out. I would prefer Moyes but it isn't likely to happen.
He knows the league because he's not good enough to manage at any level above it.
And we are not in the league above, we are now officially a Championship team and we need a manager that can get us out of it.
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And preferably one that can keep us up without a new manager needing to come in late September/early October and waiting until Christmas to start looking at which players he needs to dispose of /recruit.
Has Warnock ever lasted past November in the PL with the exception of his Sheffield United team that were ultimately relegated, albeit under dodgy circumstances.
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I actually like Warnock (not saying I want him to be manager here), heard an interview a couple of weeks ago where he was honest enough to admit the Championship is his level and said he didn't like dealing with some of the egos you encounter once a team is in the Premier League.
Plus I love the fact that when Leeds United boss he was asked to provide his favourite memory to help publicise the launch of a Sporting Memories project in Leeds.
Blades fan (http://www.sportingmemoriesnetwork.com/l504/leeds_united_manager_neil_warnock_shared_his_favourite_football_memory_for_the_launch_of_our_project_across_the_care_homes_of_leeds_it039s_a_classic_warnock_moment.aspx)
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And preferably one that can keep us up without a new manager needing to come in late September/early October and waiting until Christmas to start looking at which players he needs to dispose of /recruit.
Has Warnock ever lasted past November in the PL with the exception of his Sheffield United team that were ultimately relegated, albeit under dodgy circumstances.
Which is exactly the problem, as Chris states he's even admitted it himself.
My issue is if we recruit a manager who 'knows the league' and fill the squad with players who 'know the league' then what makes us stand out from all the other sides that have been in the league for years and can't get out? Add to that the fact that if we do get out we'd need to replace the manager and a lot of those players to stay up you're creating a huge expense purely to get out of the league.
I'd rather we find a way to play that gets us out of the league and sees us better equipped next summer to just need to add extra quality rather than another squad overhaul because, as I warned under Sherwood last summer, clubs who change 10-15 players in the summer very rarely do well the following season, going through that process 3 seasons running is asking for trouble and is why I'd be looking at 5-6 signings this summer, another couple in Janaury and then repeat next year. That would see 16-17 of the current squad replaced within 2 years but not in such a high risk fashion.
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I agree about the high player turnover being a risk. I thought it was a risk worth taking last summer as we badly needed to purge the losing / mediocrity is a high target to shoot for attitude.
Unfortunately, the experience that was retained and imported to hang the promising talents off proved to be more hindrance than help.
If we can build a solid spine from goalkeeper through at least one decent centre back and central midfielder I don't think we'll be too badly positioned, depending on who moves on.
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I'm just hoping that whoever gets the job makes this current bunch of wankers (ie the first team squad) wish they were anywhere but here.
Spot on.
The new manager needs to be able to get rid of all the crap he'll inherit which means Dr X will need deep pockets to pay them off.
Which players do you envisage being "paid off"?
I can't see it being any but hopefully most will find somewhere to go
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Seeing as that ugly twat from The Simpsons has ruled himself out, can we have the poll reset or at least the option to revote?
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Actually the AV electoral system would be the best way to decide.
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I'm just hoping that whoever gets the job makes this current bunch of wankers (ie the first team squad) wish they were anywhere but here.
Spot on.
The new manager needs to be able to get rid of all the crap he'll inherit which means Dr X will need deep pockets to pay them off.
Which players do you envisage being "paid off"?
I can't see it being any but hopefully most will find somewhere to go
There will undoubtedly be a few that we'd rather shift but won't find takers (looking squarely in Gabby's direction), but I get the feeling that some will find somebody stupid enough to buy them (Richards, Guzan) and most of the others will probably be retained.
The likes of Westwood and Bacuna have been fixtures on matchday for every manager we've had since they joined - that doesn't suggest that any new manager's first move is going to be spending millions to get rid of them.
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Apparently Guzan has two PL offers and an MLS offer I read yesterday.
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Apparently Guzan has two PL offers and an MLS offer I read yesterday.
Has he fuck. The useless bastard.
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There's several players I'd like to see the back of but as a bare minimum I'd like to see Richards and Agbonlahor paid off if we can't offload them to some other idiot. Sad state of affairs that the two most despised and disruptive players were captains of our club during our greatest hour of need.
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Apparently Guzan has two PL offers and an MLS offer I read yesterday.
As what a matchday steward or working on the concession stand?
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Amazing how he kept a clean sheet for the US in their game this week.
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Amazing how he kept a clean sheet for the US in their game this week.
Good, hopefully it will bring a few suitors to him over the Summer as he's complete pap for us at Premier league level and a total liability.
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Personally, I think he's a decent enough keeper who's confidence took a battering. If he can get back to the form he showed when he replaced Given, he'd be fine. It might well be away from here though.
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Personally, I think he's a decent enough keeper who's confidence took a battering. If he can get back to the form he showed when he replaced Given, he'd be fine. It might well be away from here though.
Completely agree.
There's a complete lack of trust in his back 4 and vice versa.
I have a feeling that a few of the "Not good enough for League 1" players will end up doing OK elsewhere, showing up the coaching at Bodymoor Heath as the major problem on the footballing side of the club.
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Hopefully that useless injury crock gobshite fucking wanker Okore will be shoved out of the door at the earliest possibility by whoever the new manager turns out to be. And if it's Pearson hopefully he can sit on his throat for a bit beforehand.
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I agree with that as about Guzan well.
I didn't rate Guzan at all when he was first around, but for a couple of seasons I thought he was outstanding.
How much of the confidence thing was down to that unfortunate blooper at Man. City ?
Like a few others on here, I think he'll be gone.
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Personally, I think he's a decent enough keeper who's confidence took a battering. If he can get back to the form he showed when he replaced Given, he'd be fine. It might well be away from here though.
It has to be away from here. He cannot be put back in the team on current form, so how long do we wait? He is an expensive 2nd choice and only has one year to go on his contract (I think).
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Amazing how he kept a clean sheet for the US in their game this week.
Who were they playing, Pigeon Island?
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Personally, I think he's a decent enough keeper who's confidence took a battering. If he can get back to the form he showed when he replaced Given, he'd be fine. It might well be away from here though.
It has to be away from here. He cannot be put back in the team on current form, so how long do we wait? He is an expensive 2nd choice and only has one year to go on his contract (I think).
Maybe we have Steer as #1 and Guzan as back-up for the season. If Steer cannot step up then Guzan is an acceptable understudy.
I always thought of Guzan as a good influence in the dressing room, for example I vaguely remember he was critical of the drinking culture at the club. No idea what went wrong this year other than his poor form.
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I disagree. I think Guzan is a decent shot stopper but that's it. Struggles with his kicking and general command of the box. Yes he lost confidence with those that were in front of him and that's certainly not helped, but I see a below average premier league keeper in a shite team.
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I'd have got on the phone to Ibrahimovic - player manager. He's got the ego for it.
Media interest and a bit of positive feeling back.
I must have had too much coffee!
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Guzan has always been a decent shot stopper but poor on crosses and his kicking is terrible, he also strikes me as being a bit thick. The days when that is enough have gone.
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His kicking is the worst I've seen of any keeper who's played in the PL, except for where he occasionally spotted the opportunity to start a quick break with a long kick, but I thought his command of the box was fine, at least in his first couple of seasons. That completely went at some point in 2014 though.
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His kicking is the worst I've seen of any keeper who's played in the PL, except for where he occasionally spotted the opportunity to start a quick break with a long kick, but I thought his command of the box was fine, at least in his first couple of seasons. That completely went at some point in 2014 though.
I raise you with Mark Bosnich, close call but I think Bossie just edges it
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His kicking is the worst I've seen of any keeper who's played in the PL, except for where he occasionally spotted the opportunity to start a quick break with a long kick, but I thought his command of the box was fine, at least in his first couple of seasons. That completely went at some point in 2014 though.
Bosnich would run him close.
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His kicking is the worst I've seen of any keeper who's played in the PL, except for where he occasionally spotted the opportunity to start a quick break with a long kick, but I thought his command of the box was fine, at least in his first couple of seasons. That completely went at some point in 2014 though.
I raise you with Mark Bosnich, close call but I think Bossie just edges it
Made up for by excelling in the other stuff, let himself down after Villa.
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Guzan has always been a decent shot stopper but poor on crosses and his kicking is terrible
That never used to be the case though (the crosses, kicking has never been his thing).
Back in Lambert's first season he was claiming more crosses than anybody else in the league, and by quite a margin as well. He's fully broken now though.
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I was just about to say, Bozzie was outstanding in pretty much every other area of goalkeeping.
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have I missed something? Is Brad the new manager then? Or Bozzie?
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I had a fiver on Moyes at 16/1 a while back. So I'm happy for any link :) (even a shit one)
you should have waited , hes 30/1 now
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Is pretty clearly going to be Di Matteo. Just want to see who his coaching team will be.
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Pearson in talks with Derby according to the Telegraph
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RDM it is then...Or Dwight Yorke
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Guzan has always been a decent shot stopper but poor on crosses and his kicking is terrible, he also strikes me as being a bit thick. The days when that is enough have gone.
In the Lambert days Guzan's shot stopping was incredible and important as Bentekes goals in keeping us afloat however last season his reflexes were woeful, expecially from set pieces I'd go as far to suggest his eyesight is failing and he needs glasses.
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RDM it is then...Or Dwight Yorke
I don't know that I ever viewed Dwight Yorke as thick when he was with us, but clearly all of those years conversing or whatever it was outside of sex with Jordan has turned his brain to fucking mush. He needs to stop talking about managing us because it makes him look a complete fucking tool.
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Guzan has always been a decent shot stopper but poor on crosses and his kicking is terrible, he also strikes me as being a bit thick. The days when that is enough have gone.
In the Lambert days Guzan's shot stopping was incredible and important as Bentekes goals in keeping us afloat however last season his reflexes were woeful, expecially from set pieces I'd go as far to suggest his eyesight is failing and he needs glasses.
Bloke called Mitchell played in goal for Preston in the 1922 Cup Final at Stamford Bridge wearing glasses. That is Brad's answer get down to Specsavers!
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Is pretty clearly going to be Di Matteo. Just want to see who his coaching team will be.
It's a risky appointment but hopefully will go well. My main concern is he's never built a team. He inherited good teams at MK Dons, the Baggies, Chelsea and even Schalke.
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Better keep Paddy Riley on to advise him.
I'm kidding!
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His kicking is the worst I've seen of any keeper who's played in the PL, except for where he occasionally spotted the opportunity to start a quick break with a long kick, but I thought his command of the box was fine, at least in his first couple of seasons. That completely went at some point in 2014 though.
I raise you with Mark Bosnich, close call but I think Bossie just edges it
Bosnich had one weak part of his game, the kicking. Brad has loads of weak parts of his game. Basically his whole game is weak.
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Hopefully that useless injury crock gobshite fucking wanker Okore will be shoved out of the door at the earliest possibility by whoever the new manager turns out to be. And if it's Pearson hopefully he can sit on his throat for a bit beforehand.
You are Nigel Pearson and I claim my five pounds
#angermanagementissues
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Personally, I think he's a decent enough keeper who's confidence took a battering. If he can get back to the form he showed when he replaced Given, he'd be fine. It might well be away from here though.
He reminds me of Mervyn Day. Started off with great promise and years playing behind a shit defence left him shellshocked and he dropped a level.
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Is pretty clearly going to be Di Matteo. Just want to see who his coaching team will be.
Nothing clear about it. Only when Pearson makes his position known as to his availability regarding our vacant position will I accept he will not be the new manager. Pearson was the preferred candidate of Hollis and Brian Little (who should know what is required) whilst Xia seems to favour Di Matteo who according to Baggie colleagues I trust is not exactly the most dedicated of managers we could employ.
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Is pretty clearly going to be Di Matteo. Just want to see who his coaching team will be.
It's a risky appointment but hopefully will go well. My main concern is he's never built a team. He inherited good teams at MK Dons, the Baggies, Chelsea and even Schalke.
At the Baggies in particular he inherited a side that had just finished bottom and got them promoted whilst spending very little. In every job he's had he's inherited a squad not playing to it's potential and made them better. If he can do that for Grealish, Veretout, Traore and Gestede then we've got (along with Ayew) easily enough attacking threat to walk that division so it will be all about sorting out the defence.
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Is pretty clearly going to be Di Matteo. Just want to see who his coaching team will be.
It's a risky appointment but hopefully will go well. My main concern is he's never built a team. He inherited good teams at MK Dons, the Baggies, Chelsea and even Schalke.
At the Baggies in particular he inherited a side that had just finished bottom and got them promoted whilst spending very little. In every job he's had he's inherited a squad not playing to it's potential and made them better. If he can do that for Grealish, Veretout, Traore and Gestede then we've got (along with Ayew) easily enough attacking threat to walk that division so it will be all about sorting out the defence.
He wouldn't be the first person who couldn't handle the player power at Chelsea (Even Jose fell foul of it), and I felt he wasn't given quite enough time given he'd won them the champs league 5 months previously. I think he'd do a very good job here. I think if Tony gives the full backing to flush out all the turds here, which seems likely, then he can start moulding a squad who will have the right attitude and work for him.
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RDM it is then...Or Dwight Yorke
I don't know that I ever viewed Dwight Yorke as thick when he was with us, but clearly all of those years conversing or whatever it was outside of sex with Jordan has turned his brain to fucking mush. He needs to stop talking about managing us because it makes him look a complete fucking tool.
Agreed, if he got the job I'd be finished with it all
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Guzan has always been a decent shot stopper but poor on crosses and his kicking is terrible
That never used to be the case though (the crosses, kicking has never been his thing).
Back in Lambert's first season he was claiming more crosses than anybody else in the league, and by quite a margin as well. He's fully broken now though.
Very true, Dave,
There were a couple of seasons where Brad was ranked 1st, overall, in the Prem. I actually posted the link, so it's on here somewhere.
As you say, though, he's a hollow shell of what he was. Playing behind our defence would have broken any keeper
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Guzan has always been a decent shot stopper but poor on crosses and his kicking is terrible
That never used to be the case though (the crosses, kicking has never been his thing).
Back in Lambert's first season he was claiming more crosses than anybody else in the league, and by quite a margin as well. He's fully broken now though.
Very true, Dave,
There were a couple of seasons where Brad was ranked 1st, overall, in the Prem. I actually posted the link, so it's on here somewhere.
As you say, though, he's a hollow shell of what he was. Playing behind our defence would have broken any keeper
It's not just his kicking, it's his distribution overall. Even when he claims a cross, he spends the next few moments dithering, unable to make his mind up what to do. He's like a cat on a hot tin roof. I can't remember too many occasions where he has started attacks for us with a good throw out.
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The lack of news is starting to worry me. why do we never get the job done quickly?
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A girl in Australia once said the same to me whilst I was trying to demonstrate us "whinging poms" have sexual stamina to be revered.
After half an hour she looked at me very bored and said "Have you slimed yet?"
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Guzan has always been a decent shot stopper but poor on crosses and his kicking is terrible
That never used to be the case though (the crosses, kicking has never been his thing).
Back in Lambert's first season he was claiming more crosses than anybody else in the league, and by quite a margin as well. He's fully broken now though.
Very true, Dave,
There were a couple of seasons where Brad was ranked 1st, overall, in the Prem. I actually posted the link, so it's on here somewhere.
As you say, though, he's a hollow shell of what he was. Playing behind our defence would have broken any keeper
It's not just his kicking, it's his distribution overall. Even when he claims a cross, he spends the next few moments dithering, unable to make his mind up what to do. He's like a cat on a hot tin roof. I can't remember too many occasions where he has started attacks for us with a good throw out.
There's also the amount of stupid goals we've conceded with him playing a defender in to trouble with a suicide pass as well. He's just lost the plot completely.
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The lack of news is starting to worry me. why do we never get the job done quickly?
Unfortunately it's out of our hands as it would be with any candidate purchasing a club. This must also prolong the process of appointing a manager. Maybe the incoming manager will want assurance from the League before signing the dotted line.
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Greg Evans saying the mail is breaking a manager story later?
More bollocks?
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Greg Evans saying the mail is breaking a manager story later?
More bollocks?
I reckon they'll break a story that we'll possibly announce a new manager within the next ten days, and it might be RDM, according to their sources.
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Is there a possibility they have asked Brian Little to-do it?
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Is there a possibility they have asked Brian Little to-do it?
I bloody hope not, it'd be a desperate appointment.
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Greg Evans saying the mail is breaking a manager story later?
More bollocks?
The kid couldn't break an egg nevermind a decent story, it will be made up bollocks or something pinched off the internet.
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Pearson to Derby perhaps?
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The mail are saying Hollis held more talks with Di Matteo today and it could be announced within the next 72 hours.
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The mail are saying Hollis held more talks with Di Matteo today and it could be announced within the next 72 hours.
No surprise there then.
And anyone of us could have penned that shite.
Or did he post a video, whilst having a shit in his garden, balancing a flower pot on his head.
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He shoots, he scores.
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Percy is running it too, although he adds that the football league have issues with some making up Tony the Tigers board. Ie they think Samuelson is a crook probably.
They also run Newton as assistant. No talk of Holland, who in fairness would be the bigger coup than Newton.
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Regular viewers will know this but I'm going to need convincing about RDM.
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Regular viewers will know this but I'm going to need convincing about RDM.
I'm not familiar with your posts
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From my mate who is a tesco bag season ticket holder "Yeah man loved Robbie... Attacking football with little focus on defence... Helped that we had odemwingie and lukaku though! You score... We score more than you approach."
Not exactly the approach that'd suit us with the squad we have but I'd be happy enough to be honest.
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From my mate who is a tesco bag season ticket holder "Yeah man loved Robbie... Attacking football with little focus on defence... Helped that we had odemwingie and lukaku though! You score... We score more than you approach."
Not exactly the approach that'd suit us with the squad we have but I'd be happy enough to be honest.
Grealish, Traore and Gil might prosper though. Get in another Striker and if Ayew stays we might enjoying seeing us score more than once a month.
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Pretty uninspiring appointment if it happens. Didn't get the credit he deserved as Chelsea and WBA but him trying to sort out our dressing room? Too Nice.
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From my mate who is a tesco bag season ticket holder "Yeah man loved Robbie... Attacking football with little focus on defence... Helped that we had odemwingie and lukaku though! You score... We score more than you approach."
Not exactly the approach that'd suit us with the squad we have but I'd be happy enough to be honest.
Grealish, Traore and Gil might prosper though. Get in another Striker and if Ayew stays we might enjoying seeing us score more than once a month.
Gil won't cut it in the Championship. He isn't cut out for English football I'm afraid
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Regular viewers will know this but I'm going to need convincing about RDM.
I'm not familiar with your posts
I'll summarise. I don't rate RDM
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Regular viewers will know this but I'm going to need convincing about RDM.
I'm not familiar with your posts
I'll summarise. I don't rate RDM
Nor me but hey better than a number of other names touted
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Percy is running it too, although he adds that the football league have issues with some making up Tony the Tigers board. Ie they think Samuelson is a crook probably.
They also run Newton as assistant. No talk of Holland, who in fairness would be the bigger coup than Newton.
Him and Newton played together for Chelsea in 90s (indeed both scored in 97 cup final although of course the only goal anyone remember is RDM's after 40 seconds).
He's followed RDM pretty much everywhere. Think he's still at Chelsea.
Not sure who else has made up his backroom staff at other clubs. They'll be easier to get than Pearson's entourage.
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torygrath, saying Demateo to be named shirley
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From my mate who is a tesco bag season ticket holder "Yeah man loved Robbie... Attacking football with little focus on defence... Helped that we had odemwingie and lukaku though! You score... We score more than you approach."
Not exactly the approach that'd suit us with the squad we have but I'd be happy enough to be honest.
Grealish, Traore and Gil might prosper though. Get in another Striker and if Ayew stays we might enjoying seeing us score more than once a month.
Gil won't cut it in the Championship. He isn't cut out for English football I'm afraid
Probably. The drop in pace might suit him a little better though. He also needs to do his work further forwards.
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Percy is running it too, although he adds that the football league have issues with some making up Tony the Tigers board. Ie they think Samuelson is a crook probably.
They also run Newton as assistant. No talk of Holland, who in fairness would be the bigger coup than Newton.
Him and Newton played together for Chelsea in 90s (indeed both scored in 97 cup final although of course the only goal anyone remember is RDM's after 40 seconds).
He's followed RDM pretty much everywhere. Think he's still at Chelsea.
Not sure who else has made up his backroom staff at other clubs. They'll be easier to get than Pearson's entourage.
He had Atillio Lombardo and some guy called Battara at Schalke.
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torygrath, saying Demateo to be named shirley
Is that meant to be a joke?
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From my mate who is a tesco bag season ticket holder "Yeah man loved Robbie... Attacking football with little focus on defence... Helped that we had odemwingie and lukaku though! You score... We score more than you approach."
Not exactly the approach that'd suit us with the squad we have but I'd be happy enough to be honest.
Grealish, Traore and Gil might prosper though. Get in another Striker and if Ayew stays we might enjoying seeing us score more than once a month.
Gil won't cut it in the Championship. He isn't cut out for English football I'm afraid
Probably. The drop in pace might suit him a little better though. He also needs to do his work further forwards.
He's not good enough.
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torygrath, saying Demateo to be named shirley
Is that meant to be a joke?
Shirley Demateo our new manager? Never heard of her. Xia out, conman and a chancer.
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From my mate who is a tesco bag season ticket holder "Yeah man loved Robbie... Attacking football with little focus on defence... Helped that we had odemwingie and lukaku though! You score... We score more than you approach."
Not exactly the approach that'd suit us with the squad we have but I'd be happy enough to be honest.
Grealish, Traore and Gil might prosper though. Get in another Striker and if Ayew stays we might enjoying seeing us score more than once a month.
Gil won't cut it in the Championship. He isn't cut out for English football I'm afraid
Probably. The drop in pace might suit him a little better though. He also needs to do his work further forwards.
He's not good enough.
im sure hes a nice bloke but all fart and no shit
in fact i could shit quicker
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torygrath, saying Demateo to be named shirley
Is that meant to be a joke?
Shirley Demateo our new manager? Never heard of her. Xia out, conman and a chancer.
I've heard of conman
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This not good enough thing. Gil ams Grealish look completely different against lower league sides. They will be much more effective than you think.
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We're in the championship were not getting a Top class manager let's face it. He'll do for me he got Albion up
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If we get Di Matteo we will be getting a top class manager.
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torygrath, saying Demateo to be named shirley
Is that meant to be a joke?
oops looks like I sailed
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If we get Di Matteo we will be getting a top class manager.
I'm happy enough with him
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If we get Di Matteo we will be getting a top class manager.
Or at least someone who could well become one, I don't think he's had a job for long enough, for different reasons, for anyone to be sure but he is already as good as pretty much anyone else we could attract and, for me, has far fewer limitations. I think a lot of people on here seem to have very strong opinions about him for very little reason that I can see and I don't really understand it.
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Thing is he has taken a side straight up before and he is the sort of name that might convince one or two that staying next season is worth it.
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My gut feeling is that Di Matteo is the wrong choice for where we are.
Whatever the misgivings about Pearson's personality, I think he's more likely to address the structural problems we have at the club.
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If we get Di Matteo we will be getting a top class manager.
Or at least someone who could well become one, I don't think he's had a job for long enough, for different reasons, for anyone to be sure but he is already as good as pretty much anyone else we could attract and, for me, has far fewer limitations. I think a lot of people on here seem to have very strong opinions about him for very little reason that I can see and I don't really understand it.
RDM reminds me of a support teacher, he's done well whenever asked but never been the one to plan the year and take the lead and responsibility. For me, it's a massive risk. I just hope he's up to the challenge.
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My opinion is the same as when Garde was appointed.Now is not the time to be taking that kind of risk.
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There is no option that isn't a risk, but I fail to see why a manager who had half a decade in the second tier before being promoted out of it is less of a risk than a candidate who did it at the first attempt.
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My gut feeling is that Di Matteo is the wrong choice for where we are.
Whatever the misgivings about Pearson's personality, I think he's more likely to address the structural problems we have at the club.
Totally agree. Di Matteo is not the man to address our problems. I would imagine the trouble causing players are rubbing their hands tonight.
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My gut feeling is that Di Matteo is the wrong choice for where we are.
Whatever the misgivings about Pearson's personality, I think he's more likely to address the structural problems we have at the club.
Totally agree. Di Matteo is not the man to address our problems. I would imagine the trouble causing players are rubbing their hands tonight.
I feel what the kids refer to as "meh" about Di Matteo. Not overjoyed but at the same time not overly disappointed.
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There is no option that isn't a risk, but I fail to see why a manager who had half a decade in the second tier before being promoted out of it is less of a risk than a candidate who did it at the first attempt.
What are you saying, we should appoint Slaviša Jokanović?
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Another thing. I'd be very keen to hear Sir Brian's views on the appointment if confirmed. I'm not so sure that RDM was his first choice.
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RDM, took MK Dons to a play off place in his first season, only lost out on penalty shoot out, took West Brom up at first attempt, won an FA cup and Champs league with Chelsea. He'll do for me.
My feeling is he will do well.
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RDM, took MK Dons to a play off place in his first season, only lost out on penalty shoot out,
He took over from Paul Ince that had done so well he was offered a job in the Championship with Blackburn. Teacher Assistant.
took West Brom up at first attempt
Reading back from the Brasil Baggies fans, almost anybody could have done the job. I'd love to hear Liam's opinion of that season. Teacher Assistant?
Chelsea? Of course he deserves credit for not crashing the club and actually doing something that AVM couldn't. But how much was down to player power? Teacher Assistant? Knowing the club, culture and respect from the players is a plus from me.
Germany is best foregotten but the he can say he was only a Teacher Assistant and resigned.
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It was their first season after promotion the year before. Getting to a shootout away from the playoff final was an excellent achievement and nothing Paul Ince has achieved since makes me think he'd have done better.
What's your excuse for RDM getting West Brom up at the first attempt? The amazing, glittering legacy of the managerial colossus Tony Mowbray?
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It was their first season after promotion the year before. Getting to a shootout away from the playoff final was an excellent achievement and nothing Paul Ince has achieved since makes me think he'd have done better.
Just because I'm not convinced by RDM doesn't mean I rate Paul Ince but if you are to use MK Dons as a reference, please understand the background.
What's your excuse for RDM getting West Brom up at the first attempt? The amazing, glittering legacy of the managerial colossus Tony Mowbray?
According to Brasil Baggie fans, Mowbray had everything there to have a more than decent team but failed. Everybody could see what was wrong. RDM came in and showed them how it's done. It wasn't a miracle but they still loved him. They were in the majority to see him go too. No Plan B being the general reason why. Hodgson came in and fixed things overnight.
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RDM, took MK Dons to a play off place in his first season, only lost out on penalty shoot out,
He took over from Paul Ince that had done so well he was offered a job in the Championship with Blackburn. Teacher Assistant.
took West Brom up at first attempt
Reading back from the Brasil Baggies fans, almost anybody could have done the job. I'd love to hear Liam's opinion of that season. Teacher Assistant?
Chelsea? Of course he deserves credit for not crashing the club and actually doing something that AVM couldn't. But how much was down to player power? Teacher Assistant? Knowing the club, culture and respect from the players is a plus from me.
Germany is best foregotten but the he can say he was only a Teacher Assistant and resigned.
He must have been incredibly lucky to go to all these clubs where all the hard work had been done and anyone could have been successful.
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RDM, took MK Dons to a play off place in his first season, only lost out on penalty shoot out,
He took over from Paul Ince that had done so well he was offered a job in the Championship with Blackburn. Teacher Assistant.
took West Brom up at first attempt
Reading back from the Brasil Baggies fans, almost anybody could have done the job. I'd love to hear Liam's opinion of that season. Teacher Assistant?
Chelsea? Of course he deserves credit for not crashing the club and actually doing something that AVM couldn't. But how much was down to player power? Teacher Assistant? Knowing the club, culture and respect from the players is a plus from me.
Germany is best foregotten but the he can say he was only a Teacher Assistant and resigned.
He must have been incredibly lucky to go to all these clubs where all the hard work had been done and anyone could have been successful.
That would make sense if that's what I'd said.
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So RDM is only successful because everything was already in place, but each time the previous manager couldn't succeed? Jammy bastard.
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I'd quite like us to have a lucky manager.
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So RDM is only successful because everything was already in place, but each time the previous manager couldn't succeed? Jammy bastard.
Ha! No, what I said is that he's never yet built a team, something I'm guessing we expect him to do due to the fact our team is full of wasters. What he's managed to do at his previous clubs is tweak the team to get results.
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So RDM is only successful because everything was already in place, but each time the previous manager couldn't succeed? Jammy bastard.
Maybe he has "an eye to the main chance" as bewigged barristers for the prosecution are wont to declaim. If that is indeed the case, I put it to you that we should engage him forthwith as it must mean that he can see light at the end of the tunnel, which no other fucker can, as far as I can see.
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I think Di Matteo will be a coup in our position. I understand why some people would like Pearson, and feel he would also do well for us.
However, my dad as a born and bred Leicester supporter, remarked that Pearson 'thinks he's better than he actually is, and that the story that all Leicester fans loved him is more than slightly exaggerated'. Of course, it's only one person's view, and my dad is an emotional old bugger. He loves Villa almost as much as me, simply due to my affinity for the club.
It's Di Matteo for me.
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I guess you could say the same about his fellow-Champion's League-winning manager, Mourinho. He simply tweaked Abramovic's and Moratti's money in the right direction and then fucked off elsewhere having failed to build an enduring dynasty.
Not that I'm saying that RDM is in Mourinho's class, but we're in the second division. He's worth a go.
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So RDM is only successful because everything was already in place, but each time the previous manager couldn't succeed? Jammy bastard.
Maybe he has "an eye to the main chance" as bewigged barristers for the prosecution are wont to declaim. If that is indeed the case, I put it to you that we should engage him forthwith as it must mean that he can see light at the end of the tunnel, which no other fucker can, as far as I can see.
Four or five year contract? He certainly can spot "an eye to the main chance", just ask Abramovich.
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Wasn't that Abramovich's fault though for failing to sort out a pay off agreement so he ended up paying RDM around £130k a week for about 18 months after sacking him?
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Absolutely. I don't blame RDM for milking it. I'd do the same given the chance.
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And me. Actually after a year i'd have asked for a pay rise!
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I am in the not convinced by RDM but an improvement on Moyes.
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I am in the not convinced by RDM but an improvement on Moyes.
Agreed
I'm not worried about troublesome players because most will leave. I can't see how people are so convinced about his temperament because we've never seen him behind the scenes?
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I am in the not convinced by RDM but an improvement on Moyes.
Agreed
I'm not worried about troublesome players because most will leave. I can't see how people are so convinced about his temperament because we've never seen him behind the scenes?
I think the point which has been made is that it's not just a few troublemakers who could be clearly named and subsequently flushed out, but the possibility that they've poisoned (so to speak) plenty of others in the squad with their attitude, so that it would somehow take a particularly strong personality to reverse the trend, even after removing the alleged root of the problem. I personally don't subscribe to that notion, but I feel like it's not an entirely unreasonable theory.
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Be happy with RDM given his credentials. Don't care if some think he simply took over an already winning team, the fact is he kept them winning and has been sucessful.
It's more important the quality of players we / he can get in...as a general rule (given Leicester this season), the better the players, the better the team is going to be.
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I agree avfcpg. Above and beyond the mountain of trouble and calamities that brought us to where we are the single factor that has stared us in the face for the last six years is that overall quality of our players is too low. Our way out of this mess begins with getting better players in. Plus all the other stuff of course but recovery must begin with better players.
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I guess that now we've been taken over the remit has changed. If Lerner had stayed we would have undoubtedly continued to be run with the same laissez faire approach. Pearson would have been the ideal candidate to rebuild the squad.
I'm hoping that the arrival of The Doc and 'his team' means we will begin to resemble a fully functioning football club in the near future. Only then would the RDM appointment make better sense, as he doesn't seem to me as they type who knows much about the kind of heavy lifting involved in running a football club, but does know his way around an English dressing room.
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Latest odds:
RDM 1/6
Nigel Pearson 6/1
Ryan Giggs 33/1
Louis Van Gaal 56/1
John Barnes 949/1
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Latest odds:
RDM 1/6
Nigel Pearson 6/1
Ryan Giggs 33/1
Louis Van Gaal 56/1
John Barnes 949/1
John Barnes....hmmm
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Latest odds:
RDM 1/6
Nigel Pearson 6/1
Ryan Giggs 33/1
Louis Van Gaal 56/1
John Barnes 949/1
John Barnes....hmmm
I reckon if I put a tenner on him those odds will drop to about 20/1 and send the sports journalists into a frenzy.
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No quote for Dwight Yorke? hmmmmm x 2.
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No quote for Dwight Yorke? hmmmmm x 2.
Yorke's odds are wider than his lapels, which is saying something.
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I agree avfcpg. Above and beyond the mountain of trouble and calamities that brought us to where we are the single factor that has stared us in the face for the last six years is that overall quality of our players is too low. Our way out of this mess begins with getting better players in. Plus all the other stuff of course but recovery must begin with better players.
Absolutely, but it also means Dr X has to find the cash to pay some of the feckless buggers to go as well as fund new players.
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If he is as talented as some are saying it strikes me as odd that he has not been snapped up before now.
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If he is as talented as some are saying it strikes me as odd that he has not been snapped up before now.
You could equally level that at Nigel Pearson. Or any other out of work manager.
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Its surfacing all over the internet as a done deal, I think we may hear officially before the end of the day even if we dont see him on the pitch till next week. Ill be very glad to see this thread closed and a Di Matteo one started, its been a painful saga matched only by the sale of the club.
Will be interesting to see who comes with him. Ive heard great things about Eddie Newton, Id hope he comes over from Chelsea. I think Paul Clement is working for the England U21s but could be tempted to join (based purely on a cross over at chelsea) as well.
Exciting times....
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Its surfacing all over the internet as a done deal, I think we may hear officially before the end of the day even if we dont see him on the pitch till next week. Ill be very glad to see this thread closed and a Di Matteo one started, its been a painful saga matched only by the sale of the club.
Will be interesting to see who comes with him. Ive heard great things about Eddie Newton, Id hope he comes over from Chelsea. I think Paul Clement is working for the England U21s but could be tempted to join (based purely on a cross over at chelsea) as well.
Exciting times....
I can't see it being like the party atmosphere down Villa Park when Martin O'Neill landed but will be good to get things moving I think it will be today the internet chatter is getting louder.
I'm not sure what I think about Bob DM did a decent job at WBA, think he just got lucky at Chelsea and didn't even know he was at Shalke till yesterday. I guess in our position and given the alternative candidates think we've done well. Good luck to him.
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Didn't we have a manager who had never rebuilt a squad this time last year ?
How did that go ? Why would we do it again ?
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That one had 6 months in management. This one has been promoted from the division we are going into, win the FA cup and the champions league. They are light years apart!!!
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Didn't we have a manager who had never rebuilt a squad this time last year ?
How did that go ? Why would we do it again ?
It went badly. Because the manager in question had half a season's experience as stand-in manager at Tottenham.
Whereas the manager in question this time has managed in two countries, won the Champions League, managed in Europe and got a side promoted.
So no difference at all there.
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That one had 6 months in management. This one has been promoted from the division we are going into, win the FA cup and the champions league. They are light years apart!!!
I was going to say I think judgement of RDM is very harsh. You can pretty much look at all his jobs and see success.
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But he's never been anywhere long enough to build a squad. He won't be able to come in and do what he knows and be successful. It's a huge risk.
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But he's never been anywhere long enough to build a squad. He won't be able to come in and do what he knows and be successful. It's a huge risk.
He arrived at a side that had finished bottom of the league and did what he needed to do to get them promoted without a fuss. That sounds like what we're looking for.
Who do you feel is the perfect, risk-free alternative?
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The important thing for me is that we've got it done early.
Time as ever will tell whether we've got the right, but he has good credentials.
Won silverware at the highest level and make no mistake, beating Bayern on their own patch in the European Cup final is a huge result [as much as it makes your skin crawl those chavs having their name on the trophy.]
Did well with the Albion, apparently plays some decent stuff and got the best out of average players. Seems hands off like O'Neill during training.
His inexperience of squad building is a worry, but I'd imagine he has his ideas about how he wants to play anyway.
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Given we are expecting to have to replace a significant number of players, I'd like someone with experience of buying significant numbers of players, and have them be successful.
A change of playing style, better selection and the odd purchase isn't going to cut it with this squad.
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Given we are expecting to have to replace a significant number of players, I'd like someone with experience of buying significant numbers of players, and have them be successful.
A change of playing style, better selection and the odd purchase isn't going to cut it with this squad.
In his first summer at West Brom he signed six players and a brought in five more on loan. On promotion he signed eleven players.
How many more would he have needed to sign for the number to be "significant"?
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Given we are expecting to have to replace a significant number of players, I'd like someone with experience of buying significant numbers of players, and have them be successful.
A change of playing style, better selection and the odd purchase isn't going to cut it with this squad.
In his first summer at West Brom he signed six players and a brought in five more on loan. On promotion he signed eleven players.
How many more would he have needed to sign for the number to be "significant"?
Ooh excellent rebuff, sir
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Let's face it. It's all a gamble. May as well be DiMatteo. Even Warnock would have done a job for us to a point.
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Given we are expecting to have to replace a significant number of players, I'd like someone with experience of buying significant numbers of players, and have them be successful.
A change of playing style, better selection and the odd purchase isn't going to cut it with this squad.
The critical thing in that though is that were we in the premiership next year he would need to build a whole squad. But ability wise I would say that 98% of this squad is good enough for the top of the championship. The problems come from bad attitude, fragile mentality, poor motivation/application and poor fitness (amongst other things) There are alot of players that need moving on granted but there are alot which should be kept I think on.
If he can identify the key weaknesses both playing and character wise, It might not be such a big undertaking as people think
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There is no ideal (realistic) candidate. Not one.
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There is no ideal (realistic) candidate. Not one.
You're right. We are a mess as a result of years of mismanagement and whoever comes in will have a job on his hands to create order out of chaos. I am coming round to the idea of Di Matteo and I hope he hits the ground running.
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At this point, watching us put in the effort and playing some decent football is my primary requirement. I think if you do that, you'll be in with a shout of promotion anyway. So if Di Matteo is the best option we have for that, he'll do for me.
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But he's never been anywhere long enough to build a squad. He won't be able to come in and do what he knows and be successful. It's a huge risk.
He arrived at a side that had finished bottom of the league and did what he needed to do to get them promoted without a fuss. That sounds like what we're looking for.
Who do you feel is the perfect, risk-free alternative?
Agree completely he sounds like exactly what we need.
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Given we are expecting to have to replace a significant number of players, I'd like someone with experience of buying significant numbers of players, and have them be successful.
A change of playing style, better selection and the odd purchase isn't going to cut it with this squad.
In his first summer at West Brom he signed six players and a brought in five more on loan. On promotion he signed eleven players.
How many more would he have needed to sign for the number to be "significant"?
Who did he bring in Dave?
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So Tony Barton must have just been lucky then..
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Given we are expecting to have to replace a significant number of players, I'd like someone with experience of buying significant numbers of players, and have them be successful.
A change of playing style, better selection and the odd purchase isn't going to cut it with this squad.
In his first summer at West Brom he signed six players and a brought in five more on loan. On promotion he signed eleven players.
How many more would he have needed to sign for the number to be "significant"?
Who did he bring in Dave?
From Soccerbase
Simon Cox Swindon £1,500,000 08 Jul, 2009
Youssouf Mulumbu Paris St-G. £175,000 10 Jul, 2009
Reuben Reid Rotherham Signed 31 Jul, 2009
Joe Mattock Leicester £1,200,000 10 Aug, 2009
Gonzalo Jara Colo Colo £1,400,000 25 Aug, 2009
Andwele Slory Feyenoord Free 01 Feb, 2010
Pablo Ibanez Atl Madrid Free 02 Jun, 2010
Steven Reid Blackburn Free 02 Jun, 2010
Boaz Myhill Hull Free 01 Jul, 2010
Gabriel Tamas Auxerre Free 01 Aug, 2010
Somen Tchoyi RB Salzburg Signed 17 Aug, 2010
Peter Odemwingie Lok. Moscow Signed 17 Aug, 2010
Marc-Antoine Fortune Celtic Signed 27 Aug, 2010
Paul Scharner Wigan Free 31 Aug, 2010
Craig Dawson Rochdale Signed 31 Aug, 2010
James Hurst Portsmouth Free 01 Sep, 2010
Or alternatively including youth players:
http://www.worldfootball.net/teams/west-bromwich-albion/2010/6/
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Some of those signings did well for WBA.
Dawson is first choice. Odemwinge did well, as did Reid, Scharner, Myhill. Good signings for where they were at the time.
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I know we are the famous Aston Villa and I know it probably has not sunk in yet, it is only just dawning on me when listening to media discussing the new Premiership campaign that we are not in it :(, but we are not going to get much better options than RDM or Pearson
I am glad Moyes is out of it as I saw in him same old same old - at least we will have something different
Could we not now have a poll to represent what we are up against
RDM
Pearson
Any other
It would have a better indication on how we all feel
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So Tony Barton must have just been lucky then..
Luckier than a Lucky Leprechaun in Luckyland.
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I know we are the famous Aston Villa and I know it probably has not sunk in yet, it is only just dawning on me when listening to media discussing the new Premiership campaign that we are not in it :(, but we are not going to get much better options than RDM or Pearson
Agreed. Let's not forget that it wasn't long ago there was some pretty serious chat about struggling in the championship, and possibly dropping straight through.
There is an opportunity to make this club great again, but we have to accept that we've fallen a long long way.
Di Matteo works for me.
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There is no ideal (realistic) candidate. Not one.
I think there was, until Moyes dropped out the running.
I've nothing against Di Matteo but I worry that he seems to be the personal choice of Dr X, who is not a man with inside knowledge of the game.
The football brains we've had around the club in recent months (Bernstein & Little) had, we're led to believe, identified Person as the right man. Pearson is not someone I initially wanted, mainly because his trusted assistants are still at Leicester, but as time has gone on I've warmed to the idea because he is a team builder and a natural leader himself. Two things we have lacked more than ability have been team spirit and leadership. Even when they were struggling last season Leicester played as a team, and then it really started to click when the brought Huth in January, another strong leader and character alongside Wes Morgan.
Di Matteo hasn't really stuck around anywhere long enough to make me think he's right for us. i'm nervous about both him and Xia.
My concern is that Pearson ends up making a possible rival in Derby stronger and we end up regretting another wrong decision.
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There is no ideal (realistic) candidate. Not one.
I think there was, until Moyes dropped out the running.
I've nothing against Di Matteo but I worry that he seems to be the personal choice of Dr X, who is not a man with inside knowledge of the game.
The football brains we've had around the club in recent months (Bernstein & Little) had, we're led to believe, identified Person as the right man. Pearson is not someone I initially wanted, mainly because his trusted assistants are still at Leicester, but as time has gone on I've warmed to the idea because he is a team builder and a natural leader himself. Two things we have lacked more than ability have been team spirit and leadership. Even when they were struggling last season Leicester played as a team, and then it really started to click when the brought Huth in January, another strong leader and character alongside Wes Morgan.
Di Matteo hasn't really stuck around anywhere long enough to make me think he's right for us. i'm nervous about both him and Xia.
My concern is that Pearson ends up making a possible rival in Derby stronger and we end up regretting another wrong decision.
This pretty much sums up my thoughts too.
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I've voted RDM as it seems to be a two-horse race now. If he can shift some of the wasters, Gabby et. al and bring in several new players and a new spine to the team I see no reason he can't have us challenging. His summer business at WBA posted on the last page was pretty impressive, a lot of those players were good at Championship level (hence them coming 2nd), and a couple are still on the books now and regular starters in the Prem, 6 years on (Dawson, Myhill).
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As long as Sir Alex has't sent the Dr a recommendation letter....
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We're a championship club now, so we need to be looking at a candidate who can operate in that league, and has the ability to manage in the Premier League if we get promoted. Also, a man who can manage with a high turnover of players. Pearson could be that man, as could RDM.
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I think I must've missed some of the seasons where Pearson had a team playing like gods because the reputation he has on here (with some) can't be based on the seasons I know about. The other big worry I have about Pearson is that he's been at a few clubs and the only one where he's done anything decent is Leicester, and that's before you get on to the fact that he's a knob.
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We're a championship club now, so we need to be looking at a candidate who can operate in that league, and has the ability to manage in the Premier League if we get promoted. Also, a man who can manage with a high turnover of players. Pearson could be that man, as could RDM.
Sorry but I'm utterly fed up of the "operate in that league" nonsense that gets thrown around so often. Are you suggesting that if we had an option of getting Loew or Guardiola or Mourinho we should turn it down because they "don't know the championship"? The myth that you need some special formula that is completely different to any other football anywhere in the world is the biggest pile of bullshit going. We need a good manager and good palyers, if we get both we'll be propmoted, if we don't we won't be, the desperate calls for someone who's been there and done it in that league are just bizarre.
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We're a championship club now, so we need to be looking at a candidate who can operate in that league, and has the ability to manage in the Premier League if we get promoted. Also, a man who can manage with a high turnover of players. Pearson could be that man, as could RDM.
Sorry but I'm utterly fed up of the "operate in that league" nonsense that gets thrown around so often. Are you suggesting that if we had an option of getting Loew or Guardiola or Mourinho we should turn it down because they "don't know the championship"? The myth that you need some special formula that is completely different to any other football anywhere in the world is the biggest pile of bullshit going. We need a good manager and good palyers, if we get both we'll be propmoted, if we don't we won't be, the desperate calls for someone who's been there and done it in that league are just bizarre.
Exactly what I always bang on about .
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I think I must've missed some of the seasons where Pearson had a team playing like gods because the reputation he has on here (with some) can't be based on the seasons I know about. The other big worry I have about Pearson is that he's been at a few clubs and the only one where he's done anything decent is Leicester, and that's before you get on to the fact that he's a knob.
this gets a yep from me
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If, as a Championship club we can attract a manager that's took a team to Champ Div 1 play offs in his first job, a team straight back up from Championship to the Prem in his second job, and won the FA Cup and Champions League in his third job i honestly don't know what the feck anyone's moaning about
He wasn't my first choice, but you can't knock his managerial record thus far surely ?
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We're a championship club now, so we need to be looking at a candidate who can operate in that league, and has the ability to manage in the Premier League if we get promoted. Also, a man who can manage with a high turnover of players. Pearson could be that man, as could RDM.
Sorry but I'm utterly fed up of the "operate in that league" nonsense that gets thrown around so often. Are you suggesting that if we had an option of getting Loew or Guardiola or Mourinho we should turn it down because they "don't know the championship"? The myth that you need some special formula that is completely different to any other football anywhere in the world is the biggest pile of bullshit going. We need a good manager and good palyers, if we get both we'll be propmoted, if we don't we won't be, the desperate calls for someone who's been there and done it in that league are just bizarre.
Exactly what I always bang on about .
If you listen to the media and the local rags they keep going on about how tough the Championship is and how we'll struggle. Nonsense, I've watched loads of Championship games since Christmas to get me used to watching this rubbish next season. All you need is a 25+ goals a season striker, a dead ball specialist, someone who can deliver a decent cross and someone who can throw the ball further than Guzan kicks it plus squad fit enough to play twice a week. This myth that we need an expert coach with specialist Championship skills is rubbish to keep average coaches like Warnock employable. If you can manage a Premier League team this should be a walk in the park in fact you could do it part time if we wanted Roy Hodgson or Martin O'Neill back.
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The myth that you need some special formula that is completely different to any other football anywhere in the world is the biggest pile of bullshit going. We need a good manager and good palyers, if we get both we'll be propmoted, if we don't we won't be, the desperate calls for someone who's been there and done it in that league are just bizarre.
Indeed.
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The myth that you need some special formula that is completely different to any other football anywhere in the world is the biggest pile of bullshit going. We need a good manager and good palyers, if we get both we'll be propmoted, if we don't we won't be, the desperate calls for someone who's been there and done it in that league are just bizarre.
Indeed.
I always echo this opinion with the caveat that there is a database of info that needs to be exploited to be successful. I cant tell you whether Wolves are currently any good at defending high, lofted freekicks to the back post. Pep Guardiola wouldnt be able to either but I bet Mick McCarthy and Neil Warnock could.
Top managers can read the game and change things on the fly, but the knowledge that kicking Karl Henry enough will make him react and get himself sent off is invaluable. I think this is where the myth comes from....
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I know we are the famous Aston Villa and I know it probably has not sunk in yet, it is only just dawning on me when listening to media discussing the new Premiership campaign that we are not in it :(, but we are not going to get much better options than RDM or Pearson
I am glad Moyes is out of it as I saw in him same old same old - at least we will have something different
Could we not now have a poll to represent what we are up against
RDM
Pearson
Any other
It would have a better indication on how we all feel
Exactly this !"which I advocated a few days ago I'm glad they listen to you
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I've often been ahead of the game like a Dr Joseph venglos
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The myth that you need some special formula that is completely different to any other football anywhere in the world is the biggest pile of bullshit going. We need a good manager and good palyers, if we get both we'll be propmoted, if we don't we won't be, the desperate calls for someone who's been there and done it in that league are just bizarre.
Indeed.
I always echo this opinion with the caveat that there is a database of info that needs to be exploited to be successful. I cant tell you whether Wolves are currently any good at defending high, lofted freekicks to the back post. Pep Guardiola wouldnt be able to either but I bet Mick McCarthy and Neil Warnock could.
Top managers can read the game and change things on the fly, but the knowledge that kicking Karl Henry enough will make him react and get himself sent off is invaluable. I think this is where the myth comes from....
I agree with that but a decent manager would get teams scouted and find most of this out before we play.
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Pearson gone to Derby!
Another mistake by the Villa!
One fcuk up after another!
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Pearson gone to Derby!
Another mistake by the Villa!
One fcuk up after another!
No he hasn't!
No it isn't!
See above!
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Yes he has!
Yes it is!
See above!
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He has as well. I'm relieved - and I hope I'm still relieved at the end of the season.
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Yes he has!
Yes it is!
See above!
Congratulations on scooping every news agency in the world. Perhaps you can now elaborate and tell us how this is both "another mistake" and part of "one fuck up after another".
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The myth that you need some special formula that is completely different to any other football anywhere in the world is the biggest pile of bullshit going. We need a good manager and good palyers, if we get both we'll be propmoted, if we don't we won't be, the desperate calls for someone who's been there and done it in that league are just bizarre.
Indeed.
I always echo this opinion with the caveat that there is a database of info that needs to be exploited to be successful. I cant tell you whether Wolves are currently any good at defending high, lofted freekicks to the back post. Pep Guardiola wouldnt be able to either but I bet Mick McCarthy and Neil Warnock could.
Top managers can read the game and change things on the fly, but the knowledge that kicking Karl Henry enough will make him react and get himself sent off is invaluable. I think this is where the myth comes from....
And I bet Guardiola would find out everything there is to know about every Championship club before the season started.
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Pearson as manager with Chris Powell as his assistant on 3 year deal for Derby.
Oh well, at least we will get to see exactly how that works out for them.
So if we are left with RDM, I'm going to stick my neck out and predict we finish above Derby.
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with chris POwell as an assistant
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Nah....not really!
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If Di Matteo turns us down now...
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it's Neil W.
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Phew that's a relief..very glad he's gone to Derby, very satisfied with Di Matter personally.
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I'm glad Pearson's of the list. I will admit that I don't know what kind of manager will be able to mould this hopeless bunch into a winning team, though. Sky think it looks increasingly like it will be Di Matteo.
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Well Derby have a more settled side and players that know this level. It's probably an easier job to get them up than Villa next season. However i am delighted we are not getting that pratt. Total arse and i really hope we finish above them.
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it's going to be interesting next season - Rafa at the Jawdies, Nige at Derby and possibly RDM with us.
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Brian McDermott is now available, sacked by Reading.
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Reading have sacked McDermott and are talking to Jaap Stam about being new manager. That's the kind of madness we have usually been linked with.
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Has to be RDM - let's just get it done, get behind him and start the rebuild ASAP....
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That's a good move by Derby, he'll have them up there challenging. This is going to be a bloody tough league to get out of. It wouldn't surprise me if it took us 2 seasons.
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That's a good move by Derby, he'll have them up there challenging. This is going to be a bloody tough league to get out of. It wouldn't surprise me if it took us 2 seasons.
Yep, them and Newcastle are a good bet to go up I reckon. Not expecting to go up this season, I'd be happy with a bit of stability
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Its getting no better at the moment ......... to have lost Moyes and Pearson is simply unacceptable
I am afraid RDM is NOT the right choice
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Pearson gone to Derby!
Another mistake by the Villa!
One fcuk up after another!
What a load of utter nonsense.
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Its getting no better at the moment ......... to have lost Moyes and Pearson is simply unacceptable
I am afraid RDM is NOT the right choice
Who is the right choice? realistic, obviously.
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Its getting no better at the moment ......... to have lost Moyes and Pearson is simply unacceptable
I am afraid RDM is NOT the right choice
He is though.
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Its getting no better at the moment ......... to have lost Moyes and Pearson is simply unacceptable
I am afraid RDM is NOT the right choice
We haven't 'lost' Pearson or Moyes, they weren't offered the job. Di Matteo actually makes sense, look at his record. I have a friend who supports MK Dons and he said that the team Di Matteo got promoted for them had some terrible personnel, but he got them playing as a team and playing good football. If we hire Di Matteo I'll be pretty happy.
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Its getting no better at the moment ......... to have lost Moyes and Pearson is simply unacceptable
I am afraid RDM is NOT the right choice
He is though.
Indeed I really hope we hurry up and appoint him now.
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That's a good move by Derby, he'll have them up there challenging. This is going to be a bloody tough league to get out of. It wouldn't surprise me if it took us 2 seasons.
That's my guess too. i suspect Pearson will get them promoted but you never know, perhaps it won't be the stroll for Newcastle that's being predicted?
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Fucking hell, pining for a complete twat like Nigel Pearson like he's got some kind of record to be envious of.
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Benitez and Pearson to clinch first and second places?
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I love the polls.It will enable some fuckwit journalist to say a majority of Villa fans want DiMatteo. No we don't.
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Fucking hell, pining for a complete twat like Nigel Pearson like he's got some kind of record to be envious of.
He's not done too badly wherever he's been in fairness and let's be totally honest, no-one mentioned Di Matteo until he was linked. I hope we've made the right choice.
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He was pretty appalling for 30 premier league games the season he managed Leicester.
Just playing devils advocate.
:)
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I love the polls.It will enable some fuckwit journalist to say a majority of Villa fans want DiMatteo. No we don't.
Speak for yourself I'd be pretty happy with him.
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Pearson would have been an excellent choice as manager.This bloke XiA will find out how little he knows about football as the season progresses.
Totally depressed.
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Pearson would have been an excellent choice as manager.This bloke XiA will find out how little he knows about football as the season progresses.
Totally depressed.
That's the spirit. What exactly about his career makes Pearson a better candidate than Di Matteo? It's not his achievements, it's not his character. So I'm at a bit of a loss as to what is so great about Pearson.
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Looks like we are already playing for the play off places ....... Newcastle and Derby top two
RDM failed at the Baggies and where is the history that he can deal with a dressing room?
Seems like the final nail today ........ we have NO football knowledge at the Club, we don't know what Sir Brian is doing but its very quiet on that front
New season is about 9 weeks away and I don't think we have any pre season plans ............. worrying times
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Looks like we are already playing for the play off places ....... Newcastle and Derby top two
RDM failed at the Baggies and where is the history that he can deal with a dressing room?
Seems like the final nail today ........ we have NO football knowledge at the Club, we don't know what Sir Brian is doing but its very quiet on that front
New season is about 9 weeks away and I don't think we have any pre season plans ............. worrying times
Sorry he failed at West Brom, how's that?
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Bollocks! I wanted the cross ostrich man with the okay record. Derby will go up now, definitely, and we'll probably go down because we're going to be lumbered with a Champions League, FA Cup and promotion winning manager. Damn it!
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Looks like we are already playing for the play off places ....... Newcastle and Derby top two
RDM failed at the Baggies and where is the history that he can deal with a dressing room?
Seems like the final nail today ........ we have NO football knowledge at the Club, we don't know what Sir Brian is doing but its very quiet on that front
New season is about 9 weeks away and I don't think we have any pre season plans ............. worrying times
I'm not his greatest fan but Eh ??
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My big concern with RDM was his ability to gut the squad and start from scratch and get points on the board quickly.
Then Dave kindly posted the list of his summer dealings after the Boggies had gone down.
I make it around a 50% success rate, which is as good as any manager usually hits and some of those players are still contributing now.
Having made myself feel dirty and reconciled myself to Pearson, I'm now quite content with RDM.
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Pearson would have been an excellent choice as manager.This bloke XiA will find out how little he knows about football as the season progresses.
Totally depressed.
That's the spirit. What exactly about his career makes Pearson a better candidate than Di Matteo? It's not his achievements, it's not his character. So I'm at a bit of a loss as to what is so great about Pearson.
Apparently the ONLY way you can possibly succeed in the Championship is with a British manager playing hoofball with good old British "up and at em" players.
Top be serious for a moment this is such an outdated view I wonder how many folks have watched Championship games recently. Its not the 1980's any more.
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Pearson would have been an excellent choice as manager.This bloke XiA will find out how little he knows about football as the season progresses.
Totally depressed.
That's the spirit. What exactly about his career makes Pearson a better candidate than Di Matteo? It's not his achievements, it's not his character. So I'm at a bit of a loss as to what is so great about Pearson.
Well Paul he commands loyalty amongst his players He believes in a disiplined performance on the field and turns up for training on time...every day! What's so good about Di Matteo?
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I for one firmly believe that Pearson and Derby will finish higher than RDM and Villa .........
If he was such a success at the Baggies why was he sacked?
Things look bleaker by the day
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So - are we down to a shortlist of one. Again.
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I genuinely don't get this "he failed at the bitters" stuff. He joined them after they were relegated, took them straight up in second place with 91 points, and then gave them their best ever PL start.
They then had a poor run and he sacked. My one concern is that after that good start in the PL the scuttlebutt he was touting himself left right and centre for other jobs, spending more time on that than his actual job which led to the poor run but he was mainly sacked for going after other jobs. Now I don't mind a manager being ambitious, but you don't do it the way he did.
Back to the point though, in no way did he fail there.
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Pearson would have been an excellent choice as manager.This bloke XiA will find out how little he knows about football as the season progresses.
Totally depressed.
That's the spirit. What exactly about his career makes Pearson a better candidate than Di Matteo? It's not his achievements, it's not his character. So I'm at a bit of a loss as to what is so great about Pearson.
Well Paul he commands loyalty amongst his players He believes in a disiplined performance on the field and turns up for training on time...every day! What's so good about Di Matteo?
Promoted with MK Dons, promoted with West Brom, who had finished bottom and needed a complete squad overhaul, won Champions League with Chelsea and had them in third. Pretty good achievements in my eyes and also with regards to West Brom particularly relevant to us.
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Looks like we are already playing for the play off places ....... Newcastle and Derby top two
RDM failed at the Baggies and where is the history that he can deal with a dressing room?
Seems like the final nail today ........ we have NO football knowledge at the Club, we don't know what Sir Brian is doing but its very quiet on that front
New season is about 9 weeks away and I don't think we have any pre season plans ............. worrying times
Sorry he failed at West Brom, how's that?
He certainly didn't fail in his first season. Everything I've read said they played some lovely stuff and fixed what Mowbray couldn't do with pretty much the same players. The following season in the PL he got off to a decent start, Manager of the Month in September but hit a bad spell in the winter and never recovered. 1 win in 10. Sacked in February. Rumours he lost the dressing room but without confirmation that's neither here nor there.
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RDM wasn't my choice but I'll back him if he gets the job. A great opportunity for him and I'll wish him the best of luck if he's the chosen one.
Who knows how it will go? He'll clearly have backing with finance.
I've renewed the ST for year 26 anyway so happy days and we go again!
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Di Matteo will do well for us if hired.
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The Stripeys always blame their manager for everything. They sacked one because of a low crowd at a pre-season friendly. They'll get rid of Pulis despite their Best-Ever Premier League Season because of his playing style. Sack the manager is their default position.
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Even after a bad result he would be absent for several days at Olbiyon.
He was (is) arrogant and aloof and pissed a lot of people off, he got fired because of this and a long losing streak.
Not sure he is the right guy for the Villa.
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I genuinely don't get this "he failed at the bitters" stuff. He joined them after they were relegated, took them straight up in second place with 91 points, and then gave them their best ever PL start.
They then had a poor run and he sacked. My one concern is that after that good start in the PL the scuttlebutt he was touting himself left right and centre for other jobs, spending more time on that than his actual job which led to the poor run but he was mainly sacked for going after other jobs. Now I don't mind a manager being ambitious, but you don't do it the way he did.
But then it was West Brom. I'm amazed that every manager they have isn't constantly advertising that he'd rather manage somebody else.
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The Stripeys always blame their manager for everything. They sacked one because of a low crowd at a pre-season friendly. They'll get rid of Pulis despite their Best-Ever Premier League Season because of his playing style. Sack the manager is their default position.
Not sure it was their best ever PL season as they've finished higher than this season 4 or 5 times.
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I for one firmly believe that Pearson and Derby will finish higher than RDM and Villa .........
If he was such a success at the Baggies why was he sacked?
Things look bleaker by the day
Has Pearson never been sacked then?
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I for one firmly believe that Pearson and Derby will finish higher than RDM and Villa .........
If he was such a success at the Baggies why was he sacked?
You know Pearson? That bloke who is apparently our one true saviour?
How many times has he been sacked?
Or is that different?
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I for one firmly believe that Pearson and Derby will finish higher than RDM and Villa .........
If he was such a success at the Baggies why was he sacked?
Things look bleaker by the day
Has Pearson never been sacked then?
Yes Pearson who managed to scrape survival with predominately the same squad who just won the league.
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I am glad Pearson is in the same division. Direct comparisons can and will be made. I hope it doesn't result in us all concluding what a fuck up of a managerial appointment our club has managed once again.
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I am glad Pearson is in the same division. Direct comparisons can and will be made. I hope it doesn't result in us all concluding what a fuck up of a managerial appointment our club has managed once again.
if Pearson finishes above Villa the Pearson haters will just say its because he didn't have the shit to sort out first
i'm past caring now, I don't think RDM is strong enough to sort the mess out but I will back him and hope he does good
he's definitely a better option than some mentioned but I'm not over keen as I don't think he will be driven or hard working enough
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Pearson would have been an excellent choice as manager.This bloke XiA will find out how little he knows about football as the season progresses.
Totally depressed.
That's the spirit. What exactly about his career makes Pearson a better candidate than Di Matteo? It's not his achievements, it's not his character. So I'm at a bit of a loss as to what is so great about Pearson.
Well Paul he commands loyalty amongst his players He believes in a disiplined performance on the field and turns up for training on time...every day! What's so good about Di Matteo?
Promoted with MK Dons, promoted with West Brom, who had finished bottom and needed a complete squad overhaul, won Champions League with Chelsea and had them in third. Pretty good achievements in my eyes and also with regards to West Brom particularly relevant to us.
I checked his signings against number of league appearances for that season, only Mulumbu was a guaranteed starter. The others played their parts but there was no overhaul. That happened in the summer on their return the PL.
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I am glad Pearson is in the same division. Direct comparisons can and will be made.
Only by people desperate to be proven right about how wonderful Nigel Pearson is.
Nobody else will give the tiniest little fuck what he does at Derby.
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A couple of observations on a new manager:
- You need a Championship experienced manager to get out of the division - well, we have no worry with Newcastle then
- Why has Pearson been out of work for a year and then accepted a job at a Championship club if he is as good as made out to be
In my opinion, there is not a lot of difference in the chances of being promoted with any of the managers we have been looking at. They all have pros and cons but one advantage that I think RDM has is his contacts in the game.
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I am glad Pearson is in the same division. Direct comparisons can and will be made.
Only by people desperate to be proven right about how wonderful Nigel Pearson is.
Nobody else will give the tiniest little fuck what he does at Derby.
Not sure I've read anybody say how "Wonderful" Pearson is. Like all mentioned, he's not without his faults.
I really hope you're right come the end of the season about Derby.
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I still stick with my earlier comments ...
Better player fitness levels, better defending of set plays, more goals from our own set pieces, a distinctive playing style, clear commitment from the players, the judicious use of our promising youth players, a focus on the short-term but an eye to the medium/long-term, someone who talks up the club and understands the history of the club ...
These are the basics of the new manager job description.
I don't care who it is as long as the successful candidate can tick these boxes, but I'd guess those that could tick them are Howe, Hughton, Dyche and - perhaps - de Boer. Not Pearson now, though.
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I am glad Pearson is in the same division. Direct comparisons can and will be made.
Only by people desperate to be proven right about how wonderful Nigel Pearson is.
Nobody else will give the tiniest little fuck what he does at Derby.
unless he turns out to be pants, then everyone will say 'bullet dodged'
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Regardless, they win it, still bullet dodged for me. The man is a complete tosser, and Villa have done well to avoid it.
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Didn't Derby sack a manager last season for not adhering to the "Derby way", whatever the fuck that is? Clearly Pearson represents it.
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I rate Pearson but jesus what a load of melodramatic shite.
If Derby finish within 10 points of us, they'll have done well.
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Really depends what RDM you get. He was excellent to begin with and did well, albeit with a very good squad for championship level.
Started prem fine including a cracking win at Arsenal. Then it all just fell apart and he was like a rabbit in headlights. Hecreally didnt have a clue how to arrest the slide. He spent far too much time away from the training ground and way too much time on business away from football. He seriously pissed off Peace with his lack of work ethic to the point where sacking him was an easy decision despite the goodwill he had built up.
You always got impression from RDM that football wasn't a passion for him.
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I rate Pearson but jesus what a load of melodramatic shite.
If Derby finish within 10 points of us, they'll have done well.
I wouldn't be so sure if we have the same shite we have at the moment.Heres hoping though.
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I find the elevation of Pearson on here to almost Guardiola levels of adulation to be thoroughly mind boggling.
Did I miss some sort of amazing achievements somewhere?
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I find the elevation of Pearson on here to almost Guardiola levels of adulation to be thoroughly mind boggling.
Did I miss some sort of amazing achievements somewhere?
Based mainly on the criteria that the new manager must have a square jaw, hairy chest, and a medallion.
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Really depends what RDM you get. He was excellent to begin with and did well, albeit with a very good squad for championship level.
Started prem fine including a cracking win at Arsenal. Then it all just fell apart and he was like a rabbit in headlights. Hecreally didnt have a clue how to arrest the slide. He spent far too much time away from the training ground and way too much time on business away from football. He seriously pissed off Peace with his lack of work ethic to the point where sacking him was an easy decision despite the goodwill he had built up.
You always got impression from RDM that football wasn't a passion for him.
Cheers Richbaggie. Appreciate the perspective.
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Regardless, they win it, still bullet dodged for me. The man is a complete tosser, and Villa have done well to avoid it.
Here here. I squirmed at the very thought of Pearson being appointed at this club. A thoroughly horrible creature. I am HUGELY relieved.
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I wasn't convinced about Pearson. He does seem to have attained God-like status on here recently.
And the thought of maybe none of his back room staff coming with him surely wouldn't have helped.
Also I think he's a bit of a nutter.
He might have fitted better last season as he might have hit some of the players, but not for this season.
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I think much of the appeal of Pearson was that he could by force of personality make better players of much of the existing squad. They can be improved and disposed of no doubt, but not enough to bring the level of success we must have. That will only come from bringing in better, less damaged players and they will not want to come to be bollocked and dominated. We needed Pearson in the summer before last season started and the wasters and lead swingers were ruling the roost. The future has to be one of consent and goodwill between the players, the manager and the coaching staff.
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Don't think RDM or Pearson are a particular loss if they don't come here. More worrying is neither appointment strikes me as the sort of manager you'd go for if you were determined to get out of the Division with a big transfer budget to back it up. Both have their plus points but you can't see the bookies slashing the odds on promotion on their appointments
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Erm, tin hat on, but I think Steve Bruce would be a safer appointment than RDM. There, I said it. I wonder who RDM's backroom staff will be, hopefully they will know the league and players we might need.
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Erm, tin hat on, but I think Steve Bruce would be a safer appointment than RDM. There, I said it. I wonder who RDM's backroom staff will be, hopefully they will know the league and players we might need.
i do too , gutted we have missed out on pearson , he would have sorted the wankers out and got us up, now will be stuck with matteo thinking he can get the best out of gabby , lescott and bacuna by being nice
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We need someone that gets The Villa,sir Graham BFR, Little and Gregory all got us and did well.
I don't think any one since then has really got us.
RDM does not come across as a guy who will look like he is really thrilled about the job, it is just a way back into the game for him.
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When we are talking of sorting the wankers out then best way to do it , if possible is to get rid of them. I'd hate to see any of this seasons negativity and the split between fans and team carry over next season. I don't particularly want to see a team with the ****** in from this season that have caused shit and took the mick and I don't think the majority of people do either.
The best way to sort them out is get rid. There will be mug punters for most of them and Flabby I'd pay off if no one was interested.
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When we are talking of sorting the wankers out then best way to do it , if possible is to get rid of them. I'd hate to see any of this seasons negativity and the split between fans and team carry over next season. I don't particularly want to see a team with the c***s in from this season that have caused shit and took the mick and I don't think the majority of people do either.
The best way to sort them out is get rid. There will be mug punters for most of them and Flabby I'd pay off if no one was interested.
agree I don't want to see the likes of Bacuna Richards Gabby wondering around thinking they are doing us a favour by turning up.
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Didn't take Derby long to sort their manager. Villa have messed around for weeks on the manager appointment. If it's RDM, why is it taking so long? Disappointed that Pearson has moved to Derby while Villa continue to dither as usual.
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I think much of the appeal of Pearson was that he could by force of personality make better players of much of the existing squad. They can be improved and disposed of no doubt, but not enough to bring the level of success we must have. That will only come from bringing in better, less damaged players and they will not want to come to be bollocked and dominated. We needed Pearson in the summer before last season started and the wasters and lead swingers were ruling the roost. The future has to be one of consent and goodwill between the players, the manager and the coaching staff.
Said it before, I'll say it here. The first thing Sir Graham did was make sure everyone was on the same side. It's what we need more than anything.
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Tends to be a tad easier to appoint a manager when a club isn't in the midst of changing owners.
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The real nonsense of this is that Pearson has absolutely no record of 'sorting the wankers out', the only spells where he's achieved anything have both been with Leicester and neither spell came with a 'there's a bunch of arseholes ho aren't putting the effort in' requirement. It appears that for some if you act like a complete tosser by grabbing opposition players by the throat and being a complete dick to the press it means you've got great man management skills.
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Erm, tin hat on, but I think Steve Bruce would be a safer appointment than RDM. There, I said it. I wonder who RDM's backroom staff will be, hopefully they will know the league and players we might need.
i do too , gutted we have missed out on pearson , he would have sorted the wankers out and got us up, now will be stuck with matteo thinking he can get the best out of gabby , lescott and bacuna by being nice
You are nearly as obsessed with that mentally unhinged thug as the guy on here was with Jermaine Beckford. Do you not see that selling your soul to the likes of Pearson or Pulis basically just kills a little bit of the wonderment of football.
Re the Di Matteo at Albion thing. It is an interesting one, why was he so distracted in that season in the Premier league and if he does not love football he is eminently rich enough to walk away completely now, so why keep going. Certainly he could have waited for a more comfortable job than Villa.
He needs a strong backroom team, not just an assistant. I really hope he can somehow get Holland out of Chelsea, get Newton on board. He might even keep Duverne on as fitness coach, but we have to replace Parks, and IMO get a couple of specialist forward and defensive coaches in too. Guardiola takes a team of 5-6 coaches with him. So do people like Mark Hughes. We have to improve that structure.
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you got to hand it to matteo , he is a good dresser and wears smart suits ,
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Didn't take Derby long to sort their manager. Villa have messed around for weeks on the manager appointment. If it's RDM, why is it taking so long? Disappointed that Pearson has moved to Derby while Villa continue to dither as usual.
We have to wait for our new owner to pass a Fit and Proper Person's Test.
This isn't taking place yet.
It's not Villa's fault it's not talking place yet.
Not sure how you can say we've "messed around"?
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When we are talking of sorting the wankers out then best way to do it , if possible is to get rid of them. I'd hate to see any of this seasons negativity and the split between fans and team carry over next season. I don't particularly want to see a team with the c***s in from this season that have caused shit and took the mick and I don't think the majority of people do either.
The best way to sort them out is get rid. There will be mug punters for most of them and Flabby I'd pay off if no one was interested.
That's realistically not going to happen though. Common sense says those that leave will be the (better?) rated players like last time and those that we can ditch without long contracts with big wages that other clubs can afford. If clubs wouldn't buy the deadwood MON left, then players that have spent all season stinking out the league are hardly going to attract more interest. SGT did promotion with a high percentage of the abysmal team that went down still in the team, with some youth and new players added. The new guy will have to do the same.
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Erm, tin hat on, but I think Steve Bruce would be a safer appointment than RDM. There, I said it. I wonder who RDM's backroom staff will be, hopefully they will know the league and players we might need.
So if we can't have a British Bulldog hoofball-peddling breast-beating knows-the-Championship type manager, hopefully we'll get a whole team of British Bulldog hoofball-peddling breast-beating knows-the-Championship type coaches in the dugout to make up for it?
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you got to hand it to matteo , he is a good dresser and wears smart suits ,
And got a relegated team promoted at the first time of asking.
And won the European Cup.
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you got to hand it to matteo , he is a good dresser and wears smart suits ,
And got a relegated team promoted at the first time of asking.
And won the European Cup.
Yeah but apart from that what has he ever done?
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I'm wondering what all the people dismissing Di Matteo as being "too nice" know that I don't?
Have they all been in his teams' dressing rooms? For all I know he could be a ruthless bastard behind the scenes. Who knows?
In any case, the last manager to get us promoted, the last manager to win us a trophy and the manager who has just win the league are all widely perceived to be "nice", so maybe it's not that much of a handicap?
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you got to hand it to matteo , he is a good dresser and wears smart suits ,
And got a relegated team promoted at the first time of asking.
And won the European Cup.
Yeah but apart from that what has he ever done?
The aqueducts?
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you got to hand it to matteo , he is a good dresser and wears smart suits ,
And got a relegated team promoted at the first time of asking.
And won the European Cup.
Yeah but apart from that what has he ever done?
Won the FA Cup.
But he's no Nigel Pearson!
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I'm wondering what all the people dismissing Di Matteo as being "too nice" know that I don't?
Have they all been in his teams' dressing rooms? For all I know he could be a ruthless bastard behind the scenes. Who knows?
In any case, the last manager to get us promoted, the last manager to win us a trophy and the manager who has just win the league are all widely perceived to be "nice", so maybe it's not that much of a handicap?
Well i certainly wouldn't have wanted to get on the wrong side of SGT in his Villa days. Decent, respected, maybe even nice but you wouldn't want to cross him imo. Don't think RDM has quite the same feel about him.
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When we are talking of sorting the wankers out then best way to do it , if possible is to get rid of them. I'd hate to see any of this seasons negativity and the split between fans and team carry over next season. I don't particularly want to see a team with the c***s in from this season that have caused shit and took the mick and I don't think the majority of people do either.
The best way to sort them out is get rid. There will be mug punters for most of them and Flabby I'd pay off if no one was interested.
That's realistically not going to happen though. Common sense says those that leave will be the (better?) rated players like last time and those that we can ditch without long contracts with big wages that other clubs can afford. If clubs wouldn't buy the deadwood MON left, then players that have spent all season stinking out the league are hardly going to attract more interest. SGT did promotion with a high percentage of the abysmal team that went down still in the team, with some youth and new players added. The new guy will have to do the same.
So you think we are going to start next season with all the trouble makers that the fans have turned against? It seems very unlikely to me, that with a new owner, new board, new positions all throughout the club and new manager but keep the players that the fans openly mocked after they displayed either complete stupidity or contempt for the club. Hardly the way to kick start the push. I can't see it myself. I think Xia has bigger plans than kids and the shit we can't get rid of.
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I'm wondering what all the people dismissing Di Matteo as being "too nice" know that I don't?
Have they all been in his teams' dressing rooms? For all I know he could be a ruthless bastard behind the scenes. Who knows?
In any case, the last manager to get us promoted, the last manager to win us a trophy and the manager who has just win the league are all widely perceived to be "nice", so maybe it's not that much of a handicap?
Well i certainly wouldn't have wanted to get on the wrong side of SGT in his Villa days. Decent, respected, maybe even nice but you wouldn't want to cross him imo. Don't think RDM has quite the same feel about him.
Why? How can you possibly know what he's like to the players behind closed doors?
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When we are talking of sorting the wankers out then best way to do it , if possible is to get rid of them. I'd hate to see any of this seasons negativity and the split between fans and team carry over next season. I don't particularly want to see a team with the c***s in from this season that have caused shit and took the mick and I don't think the majority of people do either.
The best way to sort them out is get rid. There will be mug punters for most of them and Flabby I'd pay off if no one was interested.
That's realistically not going to happen though. Common sense says those that leave will be the (better?) rated players like last time and those that we can ditch without long contracts with big wages that other clubs can afford. If clubs wouldn't buy the deadwood MON left, then players that have spent all season stinking out the league are hardly going to attract more interest. SGT did promotion with a high percentage of the abysmal team that went down still in the team, with some youth and new players added. The new guy will have to do the same.
So you think we are going to start next season with all the trouble makers that the fans have turned against? It seems very unlikely to me, that with a new owner, new board, new positions all throughout the club and new manager but keep the players that the fans openly mocked after they displayed either complete stupidity or contempt for the club. Hardly the way to kick start the push. I can't see it myself. I think Xia has bigger plans than kids and the shit we can't get rid of.
Lets hope he has the money then, because persuading 8-10 players to sling their hooks and buying replacements is going to take a fair chunk of it. I'd be very surprised if someone like Gabby who is probably on treble the average Championship wage even with a relegation clause can be persuaded to jump ship without us paying him to leave,
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I'm wondering what all the people dismissing Di Matteo as being "too nice" know that I don't?
Have they all been in his teams' dressing rooms? For all I know he could be a ruthless bastard behind the scenes. Who knows?
In any case, the last manager to get us promoted, the last manager to win us a trophy and the manager who has just win the league are all widely perceived to be "nice", so maybe it's not that much of a handicap?
Well i certainly wouldn't have wanted to get on the wrong side of SGT in his Villa days. Decent, respected, maybe even nice but you wouldn't want to cross him imo. Don't think RDM has quite the same feel about him.
Why? How can you possibly know what he's like to the players behind closed doors?
I don't. Maybe he turns into a raging beast. I just doubt it. Garde didn't strike me as the type either. He probably wasn't.
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Tends to be a tad easier to appoint a manager when a club isn't in the midst of changing owners.
Garde left eons ago.
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Erm, tin hat on, but I think Steve Bruce would be a safer appointment than RDM. There, I said it. I wonder who RDM's backroom staff will be, hopefully they will know the league and players we might need.
So if we can't have a British Bulldog hoofball-peddling breast-beating knows-the-Championship type manager, hopefully we'll get a whole team of British Bulldog hoofball-peddling breast-beating knows-the-Championship type coaches in the dugout to make up for it?
Also conveniently ignoring the fact that Di Matteo has managed in the Championship, lives in England and that a good 90% of his signings for Albion and MK Dons were from British clubs. How does that mean he 'doesn't know the league'? What is really meant is 'isn't English', isn't it - not a dig at your post in particular Newby, but a general point.
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Didn't take Derby long to sort their manager. Villa have messed around for weeks on the manager appointment. If it's RDM, why is it taking so long? Disappointed that Pearson has moved to Derby while Villa continue to dither as usual.
Didn't take long?! Derby sacked Clement in February! Pearson was available at the time. Why not go for him then, when they still had a chance of promotion? I mean it's a certainty with him, apparently. They'd have gone up for sure.
I do wish people would lay off finding opportunities to slag off our club at every single turn. Christ knows we've fucked plenty of things up recently, but another club appointing a manager doesn't mean we're "dithering as usual" and it's "yet another fuck up". Give yourselves a break.
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Tends to be a tad easier to appoint a manager when a club isn't in the midst of changing owners.
Garde left eons ago.
It was pretty pointless bringing in a new manager for the last 7 games and we don't know how long the takeover has been going on behind the scenes.
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Didn't take Derby long to sort their manager. Villa have messed around for weeks on the manager appointment. If it's RDM, why is it taking so long? Disappointed that Pearson has moved to Derby while Villa continue to dither as usual.
Exactly the point I was making. MON was appointed before the previous take over went thru. If RDM was their man from day one they should have gone and got him. They have made a rod for their own backs.
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Didn't take Derby long to sort their manager. Villa have messed around for weeks on the manager appointment. If it's RDM, why is it taking so long? Disappointed that Pearson has moved to Derby while Villa continue to dither as usual.
Exactly the point I was making. MON was appointed before the previous take over went thru. If RDM was their man from day one they should have gone and got him. They have made a rod for their own backs.
Except, as has been pointed out, Derby sacked their manager in February i.e. before Garde left Villa. So in actual fact, they've been 'messing around' for longer than Villa.
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Didn't take Derby long to sort their manager. Villa have messed around for weeks on the manager appointment. If it's RDM, why is it taking so long? Disappointed that Pearson has moved to Derby while Villa continue to dither as usual.
Exactly the point I was making. MON was appointed before the previous take over went thru. If RDM was their man from day one they should have gone and got him. They have made a rod for their own backs.
MON was appointed less than two weeks before Lerner officially took over, both in August when time was much more of the essence with the season about to start. I really don't think it matters a jot if RDM was appointed last week or is appointed next week.
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Didn't take Derby long to sort their manager. Villa have messed around for weeks on the manager appointment. If it's RDM, why is it taking so long? Disappointed that Pearson has moved to Derby while Villa continue to dither as usual.
Exactly the point I was making. MON was appointed before the previous take over went thru. If RDM was their man from day one they should have gone and got him. They have made a rod for their own backs.
Except, as has been pointed out, Derby sacked their manager in February i.e. before Garde left Villa. So in actual fact, they've been 'messing around' for longer than Villa.
I'm not letting facts get in the way of another good moan. Typical dithering from the Villa again. Dr X out!
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Re: the new poll I've chosen "Any Other" now Pearson is out of the running.
My choice now would be Mark Warburton.
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Yeah, but we've had Eric fucking Black in charge - another shite decision. Let's hope Xia's regime is a lot better at decision making.
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Erm, tin hat on, but I think Steve Bruce would be a safer appointment than RDM. There, I said it. I wonder who RDM's backroom staff will be, hopefully they will know the league and players we might need.
So if we can't have a British Bulldog hoofball-peddling breast-beating knows-the-Championship type manager, hopefully we'll get a whole team of British Bulldog hoofball-peddling breast-beating knows-the-Championship type coaches in the dugout to make up for it?
Also conveniently ignoring the fact that Di Matteo has managed in the Championship, lives in England and that a good 90% of his signings for Albion and MK Dons were from British clubs. How does that mean he 'doesn't know the league'? What is really meant is 'isn't English', isn't it - not a dig at your post in particular Newby, but a general point.
Blimey, completely misinterpreted my post. I didn't say he doesn't know the league. I certainly don't give a shit whether he's English or not. I was simply stating that Bruce, given he's already plying his trade in that very league, might be less of a risk than Roberto Di Matteo. Who, if appointed will no doubts prove very interesting.
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Yes all is wonderful. We are in The Championship aren't we? We do need massive surgery in the Summer. Getting a manager in was as King and Bernstein recognised (apparently) was a priority. Let Derby and co get on with it we're the Villa .......ffs
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Tends to be a tad easier to appoint a manager when a club isn't in the midst of changing owners.
Garde left eons ago.
It was pretty pointless bringing in a new manager for the last 7 games and we don't know how long the takeover has been going on behind the scenes.
Well the wisdom of it all will become apparent next season. What would have happened if the takeover hadn't gone through....the club then would have missed the opportunity to get a manager in to appraise the squad ahead of next season, allowing us to hit the ground running.
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Erm, tin hat on, but I think Steve Bruce would be a safer appointment than RDM. There, I said it. I wonder who RDM's backroom staff will be, hopefully they will know the league and players we might need.
So if we can't have a British Bulldog hoofball-peddling breast-beating knows-the-Championship type manager, hopefully we'll get a whole team of British Bulldog hoofball-peddling breast-beating knows-the-Championship type coaches in the dugout to make up for it?
Also conveniently ignoring the fact that Di Matteo has managed in the Championship, lives in England and that a good 90% of his signings for Albion and MK Dons were from British clubs. How does that mean he 'doesn't know the league'? What is really meant is 'isn't English', isn't it - not a dig at your post in particular Newby, but a general point.
Blimey, completely misinterpreted my post. I didn't say he doesn't know the league. I certainly don't give a shit whether he's English or not. I was simply stating that Bruce, given he's already plying his trade in that very league, might be less of a risk than Roberto Di Matteo. Who, if appointed will no doubts prove very interesting.
Completely didn't read my post. If you did you would have seen the 'not a dig at your post in particular Newby - a general point' comment.
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I'm wondering what all the people dismissing Di Matteo as being "too nice" know that I don't?
Have they all been in his teams' dressing rooms? For all I know he could be a ruthless bastard behind the scenes. Who knows?
In any case, the last manager to get us promoted, the last manager to win us a trophy and the manager who has just win the league are all widely perceived to be "nice", so maybe it's not that much of a handicap?
Well i certainly wouldn't have wanted to get on the wrong side of SGT in his Villa days. Decent, respected, maybe even nice but you wouldn't want to cross him imo. Don't think RDM has quite the same feel about him.
Why? How can you possibly know what he's like to the players behind closed doors?
I don't. Maybe he turns into a raging beast. I just doubt it. Garde didn't strike me as the type either. He probably wasn't.
So would you say that, when it comes to appointing a manager, your gut instinct of how the manager might be, based on nothing whatsoever, is more important than past managerial success?
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Yes all is wonderful. We are in The Championship aren't we? We do need massive surgery in the Summer. Getting a manager in was as King and Bernstein recognised (apparently) was a priority. Let Derby and co get on with it we're the Villa .......ffs
And what exactly would RDM be doing if he had already been appointed? We can't sign anyone until we know who our owner is, i'd imagine all the players at the club are away now so he can't be looking at them. Which is why to me it doesn't matter if last week or next week is his appointment.
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The new owners may have their own ideas rather than Pearson and RDM hence the delay. If those were the recommendations from King and Bernstein, maybe seeing they were punted out by lerner, they are looking again? Not a bad thing IMO
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The real nonsense of this is that Pearson has absolutely no record of 'sorting the wankers out', the only spells where he's achieved anything have both been with Leicester and neither spell came with a 'there's a bunch of arseholes ho aren't putting the effort in' requirement. It appears that for some if you act like a complete tosser by grabbing opposition players by the throat and being a complete dick to the press it means you've got great man management skills.
If you ignore that well documented fact that his players loved him, you may have a point. It appears that for some if you only focus on Pearson as a complete tosser by grabbing opposition players by the throat and being a complete dick to the press it means you give more importance to his outbursts than his overall ability to fix the huge problems at Villa Park.
Everybody we've been linked with comes with risks; Moyes, Pearson, RDM. There's no obvious candidate that you feel 'yes' he's exactly what we need.
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I get that feeling from RDM.
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Evening.
I certainly feel this adoration of de M is misplaced.
Can't stand him. Remember the FA Cup final ?
Also heard he went missing at WBA.
My choice would also be Mark Warburton........if it were not for the fact it would ruin the Gers' 1st season back with the big boys in Scotland !
Hope we get a name no-one has considered, so we can all scratch our heads about how things will go....and watch this space.
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I'm wondering what all the people dismissing Di Matteo as being "too nice" know that I don't?
Have they all been in his teams' dressing rooms? For all I know he could be a ruthless bastard behind the scenes. Who knows?
In any case, the last manager to get us promoted, the last manager to win us a trophy and the manager who has just win the league are all widely perceived to be "nice", so maybe it's not that much of a handicap?
Well i certainly wouldn't have wanted to get on the wrong side of SGT in his Villa days. Decent, respected, maybe even nice but you wouldn't want to cross him imo. Don't think RDM has quite the same feel about him.
Why? How can you possibly know what he's like to the players behind closed doors?
I don't. Maybe he turns into a raging beast. I just doubt it. Garde didn't strike me as the type either. He probably wasn't.
So would you say that, when it comes to appointing a manager, your gut instinct of how the manager might be, based on nothing whatsoever, is more important than past managerial success?
Not exactly. I know RDM was a joker as a player who was very much liked by all his teammates with not a bad side about him. He certainly wasn't Roy Keane - not that that's a bad thing. The question i'd ask is why can you imagine say Ferguson, Allardyce, Pardew, Bentitez, SGT, Wenger even, totally losing their shit with the players every now and then? You don't know they do anymore than RDM but you can imagine it. RDM you can't. Just like there's nice guys at work you've never seen lose it but you can imagine it, but there's others you just can't in a millions years. As i said mebbe he's a smiling laidback gentlemen in public but becomes a boot throwing beast in the dressing room
Anyway i don't want someone who loses their rag every week or so. The shock wears off on the players and becomes less effective, but i want the threat there
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Not exactly. I know RDM was a joker as a player who was very much liked by all his teammates with not a bad side about him. He certainly wasn't Roy Keane - not that that's a bad thing. The question i'd ask is why can you imagine say Ferguson, Allardyce, Pardew, Bentitez, SGT, Wenger even, totally losing their shit with the players every now and then? You don't know they do anymore than RDM but you can imagine it. RDM you can't. Just like there's nice guys at work you've never seen lose it but you can imagine it, but there's others you just can't in a millions years. As i said mebbe he's a smiling laidback gentlemen in public but becomes a boot throwing beast in the dressing room
Anyway i don't want someone who loses their rag every week or so. The shock wears off on the players and becomes less effective, but i want the threat there
Claudio Ranieri? Can you imagine him totally losing his shit? Carlo Ancelotti? There's more than one way of doing things.
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Not exactly. I know RDM was a joker as a player who was very much liked by all his teammates with not a bad side about him. He certainly wasn't Roy Keane - not that that's a bad thing. The question i'd ask is why can you imagine say Ferguson, Allardyce, Pardew, Bentitez, SGT, Wenger even, totally losing their shit with the players every now and then? You don't know they do anymore than RDM but you can imagine it. RDM you can't. Just like there's nice guys at work you've never seen lose it but you can imagine it, but there's others you just can't in a millions years. As i said mebbe he's a smiling laidback gentlemen in public but becomes a boot throwing beast in the dressing room
Anyway i don't want someone who loses their rag every week or so. The shock wears off on the players and becomes less effective, but i want the threat there
Claudio Ranieri? Can you imagine him totally losing his shit? Carlo Ancelotti? There's more than one way of doing things.
Erm Ranieri i can and i think its been mentioned during his time at Chelsea. But you're right not every manager does it that way, but then not every Manager is coming into our dressing room
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Can't stand him. Remember the FA Cup final ?
Jesus, if we can't hire a manger because he scored against us when he played then god help us in another 15 years time, there will be no one to pick from.
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I get that feeling from RDM.
You're easily pleased, ya big tart.
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True. If we're going to rule out people who have dared to score or play against us the field of potential managers will be very thin.
We lost that Cup Final because we didn't get out of our own half until he scored.
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Pearson was the obvious choice in such a tough league. Even Sir Dennis Mortimer said Pearson was the best choice to sort this horrendous mess out.
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What is this apparent obsession for our next manager to be a shit-losing banger of heads? Is it simply because there are so many of our players people would like to punch? Is that it? Vengeance? Payback time? We're hankering for a hard man to administer the slaps we're personally unable to dish out? I'd rather have someone who can manage a football club without violence (or even the threat of it) being the key part of his armoury - not least because (as has been said countless times before but has still failed to register) we've been down that route with Roy Keane and Lambert's henchmen and it was a total failure.
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Well done Villa another one gets away. Why have someone like Nigel Pearson who has success at both championship and Pl level and doesn't stand any shit when you can take a gamble on Di Matteo instead? Why bring in totally proven managers who always get their teams out of relegation saving them hundreds of millions of pounds in the process when you can have completely unproven hadn't worked in two years Remi Garde instead. Good work. Let's just go for a novelty manager signing.
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Not exactly. I know RDM was a joker as a player who was very much liked by all his teammates with not a bad side about him. He certainly wasn't Roy Keane - not that that's a bad thing. The question i'd ask is why can you imagine say Ferguson, Allardyce, Pardew, Bentitez, SGT, Wenger even, totally losing their shit with the players every now and then? You don't know they do anymore than RDM but you can imagine it. RDM you can't. Just like there's nice guys at work you've never seen lose it but you can imagine it, but there's others you just can't in a millions years. As i said mebbe he's a smiling laidback gentlemen in public but becomes a boot throwing beast in the dressing room
Anyway i don't want someone who loses their rag every week or so. The shock wears off on the players and becomes less effective, but i want the threat there
Claudio Ranieri? Can you imagine him totally losing his shit? Carlo Ancelotti? There's more than one way of doing things.
Can I imagine ranieri losing his temper you mean? Yes absolutely I can!
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Well done Villa another one gets away. Why have someone like Nigel Pearson who has success at both championship and Pl level and doesn't stand any shit when you can take a gamble on Di Matteo instead? Why bring in totally proven managers who always get their teams out of relegation saving them hundreds of millions of pounds in the process when you can have completely unproven hadn't worked in two years Remi Garde instead. Good work. Let's just go for a novelty manager signing.
Champions League, FA Cup and Championship promotion winner = novelty manager. Christ on a bike.
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Well done Villa another one gets away. Why have someone like Nigel Pearson who has success at both championship and Pl level and doesn't stand any shit when you can take a gamble on Di Matteo instead? Why bring in totally proven managers who always get their teams out of relegation saving them hundreds of millions of pounds in the process when you can have completely unproven hadn't worked in two years Remi Garde instead. Good work. Let's just go for a novelty manager signing.
exactly mate , its unbelievable geoff
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Well done Villa another one gets away. Why have someone like Nigel Pearson who has success at both championship and Pl level and doesn't stand any shit when you can take a gamble on Di Matteo instead? Why bring in totally proven managers who always get their teams out of relegation saving them hundreds of millions of pounds in the process when you can have completely unproven hadn't worked in two years Remi Garde instead. Good work. Let's just go for a novelty manager signing.
Nigel Pearson has 1 promotion from the Championship and kept Leicester up. He has done nothing of note at any of his other clubs.
Roberto Di Matteo has 1 promotion from the Championship and was sacked with Chelsea in 3rd and WBA above the relegation zone. He won a Champions League and an F.A. Cup with Chelsea and finished 6th with Schalke.
How does that make Pearson proven and Di Matteo not?
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Because... not foreign. And good at shouting.
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Where's bobcat? He had it nailed on through his ITK that Pearson was the new boss as soon as relegation was confirmed.
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Where's bobcat? He had it nailed on through his ITK that Pearson was the new boss as soon as relegation was confirmed.
To be fair, that might have been the case if the takeover hadn't happened?
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The real nonsense of this is that Pearson has absolutely no record of 'sorting the wankers out', the only spells where he's achieved anything have both been with Leicester and neither spell came with a 'there's a bunch of arseholes ho aren't putting the effort in' requirement. It appears that for some if you act like a complete tosser by grabbing opposition players by the throat and being a complete dick to the press it means you've got great man management skills.
If you ignore that well documented fact that his players loved him, you may have a point. It appears that for some if you only focus on Pearson as a complete tosser by grabbing opposition players by the throat and being a complete dick to the press it means you give more importance to his outbursts than his overall ability to fix the huge problems at Villa Park.
Everybody we've been linked with comes with risks; Moyes, Pearson, RDM. There's no obvious candidate that you feel 'yes' he's exactly what we need.
How is players liking him proof that he can 'sort out the wankers'? Did you actually read my post before replying?
To clarify because if you did read it you've got the whole thing backwards; I don't think he has any experience of doing what people are saying he would come in and do. I think the only reason people think he can come in and do it is because he acted like a twat a few times. If you look entirely at their records RDM is a far superior manager who has experience of dealing with exactly the issue we find ourselves in and making a success of it. I don't know why people don't like him but he's about the best option we have and always was.
Well done Villa another one gets away. Why have someone like Nigel Pearson who has success at both championship and Pl level and doesn't stand any shit when you can take a gamble on Di Matteo instead? Why bring in totally proven managers who always get their teams out of relegation saving them hundreds of millions of pounds in the process when you can have completely unproven hadn't worked in two years Remi Garde instead. Good work. Let's just go for a novelty manager signing.
Are you serious? RDM (playoffs with MK dons, promoted with baggies, CL and FA cup with Chelsea) is a bigger risk than Pearson (your definition of success at PL level is much looser than mine, bottom until April suggest the only thing that was a success was a late push to escape relegation, which clearly trumps 2 trophies).
I'm going to assume the mention of Bruce was trolling but just in case Bruce is in the championship because he has proven himself to be far too shit to manage at a higher level, RDM hasn't managed in the championship for 6 years because he's proven himself to be too good for that level but for some that proof is being used as evidence that he's not good enough, which is just bizarre.
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Because... not foreign. And good at shouting.
Of course. Some people won't be happy until we appoint Brian Blessed.
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Not exactly. I know RDM was a joker as a player who was very much liked by all his teammates with not a bad side about him. He certainly wasn't Roy Keane - not that that's a bad thing. The question i'd ask is why can you imagine say Ferguson, Allardyce, Pardew, Bentitez, SGT, Wenger even, totally losing their shit with the players every now and then? You don't know they do anymore than RDM but you can imagine it. RDM you can't. Just like there's nice guys at work you've never seen lose it but you can imagine it, but there's others you just can't in a millions years. As i said mebbe he's a smiling laidback gentlemen in public but becomes a boot throwing beast in the dressing room
Anyway i don't want someone who loses their rag every week or so. The shock wears off on the players and becomes less effective, but i want the threat there
Claudio Ranieri? Can you imagine him totally losing his shit? Carlo Ancelotti? There's more than one way of doing things.
They don't need to.
Just pay the vet for the requisite number of horses heads. Job's a guddun.
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RDM just doesn't feel right at all. Just don't think he's got what it takes to turn us around and my instinct was that Pearson was the man for the job
Would be absolutely delighted to be proved wrong though obvs
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Because... not foreign. And good at shouting.
Of course. Some people won't be happy until we appoint Brian Blessed.
Depends, he's only allowed to join if he promises to punch at least 2 players in the face at the press conference when he's announced, that'll show em.
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I just don't see how promotion after a few attempts and just staying up at one club is better than promotion at the first time of asking with one club and then giving them their best ever start in the PL, and at another club winning the Champions League and the FA Cup, plus being 3rd in the PL.
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because RDM has never had to take over a club that's just been relegated from the premier league and try to get them back up first time ... nope did that with the baggies.
ok, he's never been a club with massive expectations where he needed to win things ... nope did that at Chelsea.
He's never had big money to spend and bought in players who were better than most in the league ... Fuck he signed Hazard.
ok, he's never acted like tit in a press conference - knew we'd get there in the end.
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I'm not saying anymore about it. Let's see who goes up in a years time. I wish Robbie all the best I've nothing against him. I just think it take a certain horse for this repellant league. But as I say let's see where Derby and Newcastle are compared to us in a years time.
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you got to hand it to matteo , he is a good dresser and wears smart suits ,
And got a relegated team promoted at the first time of asking.
And won the European Cup.
Yeah but apart from that what has he ever done?
Scored the second fastest FA Cup Final goal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29643208
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RDM just doesn't feel right at all. Just don't think he's got what it takes to turn us around and my instinct was that Pearson was the man for the job
Would be absolutely delighted to be proved wrong though obvs
Well RDM has actually done the exact thing of turning a team around before so hope he does it again with us.
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I'm not saying anymore about it. Let's see who goes up in a years time. I wish Robbie all the best I've nothing against him. I just think it take a certain horse for this repellant league. But as I say let's see where Derby and Newcastle are compared to us in a years time.
Which horse is better for that league, the one that got promoted at the first attempt or the one that took a few attempts?
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i can't answer that except to say one has very much more recent experience of the league than the other and it has evened up over the years no doubt.
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RDM just doesn't feel right at all. Just don't think he's got what it takes to turn us around and my instinct was that Pearson was the man for the job
Would be absolutely delighted to be proved wrong though obvs
Well RDM has actually done the exact thing of turning a team around before so hope he does it again with us.
Absolutely! Don't get me wrong, he will have my full support I thought Lambert, Sherwood and Garde were good appointments so what do I know
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I think people forget just what an absolute bunch of cnuts we have occupying the dressing room as well. It needs a disciplinarian of gargantuan proportions to sort this lot out. I hope it's Di Matteo. Maybe appearances are deceptive.
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And just to qualify I don't mean a shouter I mean a disciplinarian. Someone who can instill into the players that texting Tony Xia if they don't agree with something he implements isn't a good career move.
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i can't answer that except to say one has very much more recent experience of the league than the other and it has evened up over the years no doubt.
Pearson's not managed in that league for two years.
If recent experience is your most important thing, then surely Mick McCarthy or Steve Bruce are who you should be behind, not Pearson?
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i can't answer that except to say one has very much more recent experience of the league than the other and it has evened up over the years no doubt.
So what counts against RDM is that while he was winning the FA Cup and CL with Chelsea and managing Schalke, Pearson was taking years to get promoted so is a better option? Surely by that criteria it would be better for Newcastle to have Steve Bruce as manager rather than Benitez?
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If we are keeping all the ****** then we aren't getting promoted anyway.
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And just to qualify I don't mean a shouter I mean a disciplinarian. Someone who can instill into the players that texting Tony Xia if they don't agree with something he implements isn't a good career move.
Care to offer an example from their careers where Pearson has done this and Di Matteo has failed at this?
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you got to hand it to matteo , he is a good dresser and wears smart suits ,
And got a relegated team promoted at the first time of asking.
And won the European Cup.
Yeah but apart from that what has he ever done?
Scored the second fastest FA Cup Final goal.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/29643208
Third fastest. Sadly Saha overtook Bob Chatt a few years ago.
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A baggies friend of mine described Di Matteos football style as "entertaining" during his spell with them.
Thats an improvement already.
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And just to qualify I don't mean a shouter I mean a disciplinarian. Someone who can instill into the players that texting Tony Xia if they don't agree with something he implements isn't a good career move.
Care to offer an example from their careers where Pearson has done this and Di Matteo has failed at this?
Dave do you think Di Matteo will have ever managed a bigger bunch of egotistical, I'll disciplined, poor quality team than this? And going back to Bruce I'd have him there over RDM just at this moment. If we don't get up within two years then we are in the wilderness years.
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And just to qualify I don't mean a shouter I mean a disciplinarian. Someone who can instill into the players that texting Tony Xia if they don't agree with something he implements isn't a good career move.
Care to offer an example from their careers where Pearson has done this and Di Matteo has failed at this?
Dave do you think Di Matteo will have ever managed a bigger bunch of egotistical, I'll disciplined, poor quality team than this?
Since we're not actually answering anything and just responding with more questions, do you think Pearson will have either, if that's your main concern?
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I'd fancy there were some decent sized egos in the Chelsea side and he did what every other manager there has failed to do. And while not as bad as us, the bitters had finished bottom of the PL the previous season so he did something right with a shit team to take them straight up.
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People keep talking about this squad, but does anybody honestly think what we have now will be close to the squad on 6th August?
We're likely to lose 5 or 6 and gain the same numbers.
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Lads, lads none of us have any proof. I can't argue any more I'm just worn out let's get him in and get behind him. I'll say no more. (I'm not defeated just for clarity....)
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People keep talking about this squad, but does anybody honestly think what we have now will be close to the squad on 6th August?
We're likely to lose 5 or 6 and gain the same numbers.
Correct Ads but will the right ones leave? Gabby needs to be first out of the door.
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Plus the pressure of always being involved in a relegation battle won't be there. It will be a very different mindset come August along with a number of new players, players going and not to mention an entirely new management team and board. Things won't be fixed but it will be a lot better.
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I'd fancy there were some decent sized egos in the Chelsea side and he did what every other manager there has failed to do. And while not as bad as us, the bitters had finished bottom of the PL the previous season so he did something right with a shit team to take them straight up.
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Yes agreed about the egos at Chelsea but it would have helped him having played with them
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Probably not many though as there was a 9 year gap between him retiring as a player and returning as assistant manager.
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Lads, lads none of us have any proof. I can't argue any more I'm just worn out let's get him in and get behind him. I'll say no more. (I'm not defeated just for clarity....)
Correct. None of us have proof of what the candidates' personalities are (although we can guess at Pearson's given his embarrassing public outbursts). None of us have proof of how they will get on as Villa manager. All we can do is compare their respective managerial achievements and Di Matteo's are, quite clearly, streets ahead of Pearson's.
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When I was growing up I remember my Dad telling me how when we were in trouble, Graham Taylor saved us. I have felt a lot of pride and respect for Graham Taylor on the back of that. In many ways he formed the image that I have for the whole club. Even if hiring Nigel Pearson would have guaranteed promotion (which it wouldn't) I'm really glad the next generation of Villa fans won't have to feel the same way about someone like him as I do about Sir Graham.
Come on people. We're Aston Villa. And, now, we might just start acting like it again. It's not just about winning, let's do it with a bit of class. Hiring someone that's won the European Cup is a good first step.
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In vino veritas, Boozey.
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All I recall about the RDM era at Chelsea is the players, including the ****** Terry, turning against Vilas Boas, thus getting him the sack.
As soon as RDM turned up, they turned on the style, and then it was Robbie this, and Robbie That.
I think he was more of a mate to the Chelsea tossers, rather than someone who motivated and turned round a floundering ship.
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Well, whatever he did clearly worked.
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All I recall about the RDM era at Chelsea is the players, including the c*** Terry, turning against Vilas Boas, thus getting him the sack.
As soon as RDM turned up, they turned on the style, and then it was Robbie this, and Robbie That.
I think he was more of a mate to the Chelsea tossers, rather than someone who motivated and turned round a floundering ship.
I would be fine with that. If our current players go from useless wasters to winning the Champions league then I really don't give a damn how RDM does it.
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Been out all day, just catching up and really can't believe some of the over reactions on here. I suspect Pearson has been waiting to be offered our job, but was told very recently that it's not you, so has gone for the Derby job. I also expect our manager is in place but not officially due to takeover. Derby have been without a manager longer than us, so if Pearson was available why wait? Because he was waiting for a better offer (us).
If it is RDM fine, give him the tools he needs and support and let him get on with it. He's got a good track record and to if he were to repeat his baggies performance great. We can then reassess him in the Prem and see if he's in it for the long term. If we can't poach Dyche or Howe, and I fully understand why we can't, then I'm OK with him.
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I've been thinking that if RDM does only have an 18 month shelf life then by the time he leaves, having followed the same trajectory, we'd be ensconced in the Premier League mid table.
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RDM won the European Cup by parking the bus, yet won a promotion by scoring nearly 90 goals. To me, that suggests he gets the very best out of what he's dealt. I think he'd get us up.
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I hope we choose another one soon.
My work password is coming up for renewal for the next 3 months.
It looks as if I'll have to go with Doug again.
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All I recall about the RDM era at Chelsea is the players, including the c*** Terry, turning against Vilas Boas, thus getting him the sack.
As soon as RDM turned up, they turned on the style, and then it was Robbie this, and Robbie That.
I think he was more of a mate to the Chelsea tossers, rather than someone who motivated and turned round a floundering ship.
vilas boas wasnt picking ,john terry , frank lampard , joe cole , micheal essien , and occasionally drogba ,
he got the sack , matteo got the job and brought the old faithful back into the team , they went on to win champions league
it wasnt rocket science , , i have never managed any football club but could have easily won the champions league that season by bringing the old faithful players back into the side that vilas boas wasnt picking
what is worrying is he may try the same method with gabby and the other tossers not fit to wear the shirt that got us relegated
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All I recall about the RDM era at Chelsea is the players, including the c*** Terry, turning against Vilas Boas, thus getting him the sack.
As soon as RDM turned up, they turned on the style, and then it was Robbie this, and Robbie That.
I think he was more of a mate to the Chelsea tossers, rather than someone who motivated and turned round a floundering ship.
vilas boas wasnt picking ,john terry , frank lampard , joe cole , micheal essien , and occasionally drogba ,
he got the sack , matteo got the job and brought the old faithful back into the team , they went on to win champions league
it wasnt rocket science , , i have never managed any football club but could have easily won the champions league that season by bringing the old faithful players back into the side that vilas boas wasnt picking
what is worrying is he may try the same method with gabby and the other tossers not fit to wear the shirt that got us relegated
Well if your thinking on part one is the same as your thinking on part two, I would suggest you may have had one more drink than me lol. He brought back tried and trusted players to win the champions league, what would he be bringing back with Villa?
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All I recall about the RDM era at Chelsea is the players, including the c*** Terry, turning against Vilas Boas, thus getting him the sack.
As soon as RDM turned up, they turned on the style, and then it was Robbie this, and Robbie That.
I think he was more of a mate to the Chelsea tossers, rather than someone who motivated and turned round a floundering ship.
vilas boas wasnt picking ,john terry , frank lampard , joe cole , micheal essien , and occasionally drogba ,
he got the sack , matteo got the job and brought the old faithful back into the team , they went on to win champions league
it wasnt rocket science , , i have never managed any football club but could have easily won the champions league that season by bringing the old faithful players back into the side that vilas boas wasnt picking
what is worrying is he may try the same method with gabby and the other tossers not fit to wear the shirt that got us relegated
Well if your thinking on part one is the same as your thinking on part two, I would suggest you may have had one more drink than me lol. He brought back tried and trusted players to win the champions league, what would he be bringing back with Villa?
read the last line of my post again
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From my Baggie mate:
I think he'll do well for you, especially in the championship. He's got a winner's mentality and likes to play good football. Problem he had with us is that he had no plan b and once the other teams realised, he was fucked. But then again, he's more experienced now so you'll probably have better luck!
As long as he get's us promoted and as long as I'm willing to accept the crap from a Bitter, sounds like he'll be fine for 18 months. After that, I'm sure Dr Xia will have him executed.
Apparently he gives a very nice press conference too, for all you Pearson haters. Well, at least until things fuck up.
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All I recall about the RDM era at Chelsea is the players, including the c*** Terry, turning against Vilas Boas, thus getting him the sack.
As soon as RDM turned up, they turned on the style, and then it was Robbie this, and Robbie That.
I think he was more of a mate to the Chelsea tossers, rather than someone who motivated and turned round a floundering ship.
vilas boas wasnt picking ,john terry , frank lampard , joe cole , micheal essien , and occasionally drogba ,
he got the sack , matteo got the job and brought the old faithful back into the team , they went on to win champions league
it wasnt rocket science , , i have never managed any football club but could have easily won the champions league that season by bringing the old faithful players back into the side that vilas boas wasnt picking
what is worrying is he may try the same method with gabby and the other tossers not fit to wear the shirt that got us relegated
Except Joe Cole, by that time, was on loan at Lille and Essien missed the first half of the season with a ruptured ACL. Meanwhile, if you look at this link: http://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=15275&season_id=141, you can see that John Terry played constantly under AVB, so hardly a "restoration" by Di Matteo. Lampard I'll give you, but he was 33/34 by that point and needed rotating anyway.
If you're going to make some shit up for the sake of an argument, try not to make claims which are actually capable of being disproved by a quick Wikipedia scan.
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Was a bit non-plussed when I first read about RDM being in pole position, mainly I admit, due to the fact I've not followed his career in any depth. If I'd had to guess the Chelsea manager who won the European cup, in all honesty I'd probably have answered, Mourinho. My following of football is almost entirely Villa-centric. However, now I've read a bit about his managerial achievements, I quite like the idea of getting him in.
If the takeover goes smoothly and he comes in quickly and has a quick re-build I honestly think we'll be only down there 1 or 2 seasons at the most. Whilst like everyone else who supports the club, I want us to bounce straight back, I don't think it would be the end of the world if we narrowly missed out next season, but say won the championship the following season with a settled, experienced squad playing attractive football. We'd then be fairly well placed to mount a decent premier league campaign the season after, as opposed to possibly struggling the following season if we did go straight back up through the play-offs, say.
Hope that makes sense.
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I am glad Pearson is in the same division. Direct comparisons can and will be made. I hope it doesn't result in us all concluding what a fuck up of a managerial appointment our club has managed once again.
if Pearson finishes above Villa the Pearson haters will just say its because he didn't have the shit to sort out first
i'm past caring now, I don't think RDM is strong enough to sort the mess out but I will back him and hope he does good
he's definitely a better option than some mentioned but I'm not over keen as I don't think he will be driven or hard working enough
Sweeping generalisation based on a race of billions so I apologise in advance but his new boss is from the hardest working nation of people in the world and has already said he will be basing himself predominantly over here to keep a close eye on things. I don't think skiving off by anyone in the entire company will be tolerated, let alone the guy with the most important job in the whole place
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I can't wait for this to be sorted now so we can move on.
For those amongst who seem to feel that Pearson is (was) the answer because he was aggressive and likely to sort the arseholes out... Just remember, man-management is about respect. If Pearson gets respect by being a little on the aggressive side, then that's his way, but it's not the only way. It's not necessary to 'lose your shit' to get respect from your players / staff etc.
Garde had no respect, no clout, no persona to enter the dressing with, no career, no honours and our bunch of prima donnas couldn't be arsed to work for him.
Sherwood, once his bubble had burst lost all interest himself, didn't respect the people he was working for and wanted out. You can't command respect as a manager in that position.
We don't know, really, what Di Matteo is going to be like in the dressing room. Looking at his CV though, I'm willing to take him seriously. I also believe that he will earn a certain amount of respect through who he is and what he as achieved.
I'm optimistic for promotion, although some transfer market activity could definitely reassure me on that.
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Not sure what some people want here.
We may think that we're the greatest show on earth but we're in the Championship.
Villa have to start somewhere and we are not going to attract interest from pedigree applicants because of the mess. Dr X seems to be in a hurry to get us back so whoever gets the job will have a mandate to return us to the top league asap.
It's going to be a bit of a punt whoever gets it but if it is RDM he'll get my support as he on reflection seems as qualified as any of the attainable candidates.
Prem managers aren't coming as the money swimming around next season will, I'd imagine, be a far more attractive proposition to resurrecting us.
Was Sir Graham's appointment greeted with such negativity at the time as I can't remember.
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Was a bit non-plussed when I first read about RDM being in pole position, mainly I admit, due to the fact I've not followed his career in any depth. If I'd had to guess the Chelsea manager who won the European cup, in all honesty I'd probably have answered, Mourinho. My following of football is almost entirely Villa-centric. However, now I've read a bit about his managerial achievements, I quite like the idea of getting him in.
If the takeover goes smoothly and he comes in quickly and has a quick re-build I honestly think we'll be only down there 1 or 2 seasons at the most. Whilst like everyone else who supports the club, I want us to bounce straight back, I don't think it would be the end of the world if we narrowly missed out next season, but say won the championship the following season with a settled, experienced squad playing attractive football. We'd then be fairly well placed to mount a decent premier league campaign the season after, as opposed to possibly struggling the following season if we did go straight back up through the play-offs, say.
Hope that makes sense.
It makes perfect sense, and I agree wholeheartedly, Ribbon.
Good post.
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All I recall about the RDM era at Chelsea is the players, including the c*** Terry, turning against Vilas Boas, thus getting him the sack.
As soon as RDM turned up, they turned on the style, and then it was Robbie this, and Robbie That.
I think he was more of a mate to the Chelsea tossers, rather than someone who motivated and turned round a floundering ship.
vilas boas wasnt picking ,john terry , frank lampard , joe cole , micheal essien , and occasionally drogba ,
he got the sack , matteo got the job and brought the old faithful back into the team , they went on to win champions league
it wasnt rocket science , , i have never managed any football club but could have easily won the champions league that season by bringing the old faithful players back into the side that vilas boas wasnt picking
what is worrying is he may try the same method with gabby and the other tossers not fit to wear the shirt that got us relegated
Because he brought back some of the best players in the World means he'd be in a desperate rush to bring back... Agbonlahor?
Still, it seems the answer is staring us in the face. Forget Di Matteo. His team needed penalties to win the European Cup.
Mourinho couldn't win it with Chelsea. Nor could Ancelotti, Hiddink, Villas-Boas or Ranieri.
But Conman could've won it... easily.
Get him appointed Villa! In Conman We Trust!
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I hope we choose another one soon.
My work password is coming up for renewal for the next 3 months.
It looks as if I'll have to go with Doug again.
I keep trying to put beef stew as my password. It keeps saying it isn't stroganoff...
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Was Sir Graham's appointment greeted with such negativity at the time as I can't remember.
I'm willing to bet that if these boards had been around then the folk on here now would state:
1) Long ball merchant, don't want his anti-football tactics.
2) What has he ever won?
3) Has no track record - blah, blah, blah.
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Was Sir Graham's appointment greeted with such negativity at the time as I can't remember.
I'm willing to bet that if these boards had been around then the folk on here now would state:
1) Long ball merchant, don't want his anti-football tactics.
2) What has he ever won?
3) Has no track record - blah, blah, blah.
Who else was in the frame, other than Basset? I can't think.
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Can't remember, I was only about 10
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350+ pages ago no one gave RDM a second thought. European cup winning, FA Cup winning, promotion winning, entertaining football playing free agent Roberto Di Matteo didn't get a mention once. He wasn't part of the poll, no one cared. Now he's the only selection left he's an amazing manager
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I'll be backing him though, he'll be the manager of the club I love
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What if he says no? It's a real possibility, particularly if he smells a Dr X sized rat...
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350+ pages ago no one gave RDM a second thought. European cup winning, FA Cup winning, promotion winning, entertaining football playing free agent Roberto Di Matteo didn't get a mention once.
So?
How many Leicester fans thought they'd be appointing Ranieri when Pearson left? Was Wenger top of the fans' list of choices to replace Rioch?
Nobody really thought about him as he hadn't been speculated about in the press. It's only natural that, when awaiting a new manager, fans will read papers/online speculation about specific candidates and discuss the pros and cons.
Once Di Matteo seemed to become a serious contender many of us read up about his managerial career and were impressed. He's got a club that had just been relegated promoted, he's won the European Cup and FA Cup. It baffles me that your still turning your nose up at him because we were discussing Mick McCarthy in April.
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I see we've hit page 400. Here's hoping we don't need to get to 500 before someone's appointed.
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Some good points mate, but remember this forum is all about opinion and debate. You're an advocate and I'm not, no big deal. You are right about the Wenger scenario though
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What if he says no? It's a real possibility, particularly if he smells a Dr X sized rat...
I would like to think we would have heard the "ruled himself out" line by now if that was the case. I dread to think who we would get if that happens. Warnock, John Carver. Jeeez.
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I can't see why people are still not believing the Doc. It's obvious he's a serious player hence why the press have moved on or are still peddling the same crap from 10 days ago.
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I can't see why people are still not believing the Doc. It's obvious he's a serious player hence why the press have moved on or are still peddling the same crap from 10 days ago.
I don't disbelieve him...
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Glad Pearson is out of the running. Would be quite happy with RDM. Still, the backroom staff is essential. Could be the 'make or break' issue...
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Would have liked to have seen Pearson given a chance actually, out of the limited options think he was one of the best. RDM has a decent record, but I would like someone with more Championship experience, and a stronger personality, think he's a bit passive. We could do worse, but I'm not 100% sold on him. But who ever we are getting we need to make the move fast, otherwise our planning for next season will be behind the others.
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Towards the end of the season everyone was agreed we needed a manager proven to bring stability to the dressing room which we all agree is a major problem ....for me Pearson would have done this without any issue
I am not sure why there are so many anti Pearson comments here ......... I would now back derby for automatic promotion
I am totally unsure about RDM - if he is appointed I hope he proves me wrong - as I doubt he will ever have dealt with such a mess as he will inherit here
Our planning is already way behind everybody else ....I have not even seen pre season games being planned or a retained list etc
We should be appointing a manager NOW otherwise our chances of making the play offs I fear will be NIL
Options for the manager are slim but we need to appoint and then move at great speed to start the squad etc etc
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Would have liked to have seen Pearson given a chance actually, out of the limited options think he was one of the best. RDM has a decent record, but I would like someone with more Championship experience, and a stronger personality, think he's a bit passive. We could do worse, but I'm not 100% sold on him. But who ever we are getting we need to make the move fast, otherwise our planning for next season will be behind the others.
Depends on what you mean by stronger personality.
Compare him to some of his compatriots.
Ranieri
Maldini (sr)
Trapattoni
Ancelotti
Prandelli
None of them outwardly very demonstrative, but all successful in managing / massaging the biggest egos in the game, completely destroying the latin "passionate temperament" cliche exuded by losers like di Canio.
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Was Sir Graham's appointment greeted with such negativity at the time as I can't remember.
I'm willing to bet that if these boards had been around then the folk on here now would state:
1) Long ball merchant, don't want his anti-football tactics.
2) What has he ever won?
3) Has no track record - blah, blah, blah.
I was around at the time and I was very impressed with the appointment. We had just been relegated and it looked as though we were not coming back quickly. Taylor had taken Watford through the divisions to just below the top in the 1st Division. To convince him to come to Villa was one of the best things Doug actually achieved.
I can remember being in my boss's office at the time and we were talking on the phone to a client who was well in at Watford. He said that Taylor would be a great as manager but one of the most important things was bringing Steve Harrison along with him. With any manager it's really important to have a good management/coaching team behind them. It is probably even more important now than then to have the coaches as it is a much more technical game now.
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And just to qualify I don't mean a shouter I mean a disciplinarian. Someone who can instill into the players that texting Tony Xia if they don't agree with something he implements isn't a good career move.
Care to offer an example from their careers where Pearson has done this and Di Matteo has failed at this?
Built a Premier League winning side? ;)
Bollocks to him, he's gone. Time to get behind Bob.
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Was Sir Graham's appointment greeted with such negativity at the time as I can't remember.
I'm willing to bet that if these boards had been around then the folk on here now would state:
1) Long ball merchant, don't want his anti-football tactics.
2) What has he ever won?
3) Has no track record - blah, blah, blah.
I was around at the time and I was very impressed with the appointment. We had just been relegated and it looked as though we were not coming back quickly. Taylor had taken Watford through the divisions to just below the top in the 1st Division. To convince him to come to Villa was one of the best things Doug actually achieved.
I can remember being in my boss's office at the time and we were talking on the phone to a client who was well in at Watford. He said that Taylor would be a great as manager but one of the most important things was bringing Steve Harrison along with him. With any manager it's really important to have a good management/coaching team behind them. It is probably even more important now than then to have the coaches as it is a much more technical game now.
And we've spectacularly failed to secure that with most appointments post MON.
Houllier - no.
McLeish - yes?
Lambert - yes for first 2 seasons.
Sherwood - no.
Garde - no.
I don't know if RDM is actually first choice, but whoever is shouldn't be allowed near Bodymoor Heath without their first choice backroom staff.
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I would like someone with more Championship experience
A surefire way to have lots of Championship experience?
Not being good enough to manage your way out of it, or good enough that a team higher up wants to employ you.
Presumably you Newcastle are screwed next season?
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I think with the take over our wanted characteristics in a manager have changed. If Lerner had stayed on, I think Pearson would have been the right type of manager but Xia wants to rebuild us. This will mean the new manager having a free hand to get rid of which players he wants to. With this in mind, I think there are better managers around than Pearson.
Lerner selling up is seeing us go from defence to attack. The new manager should reflect this and put us on the front foot.
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The thing I don't understand is that we have a squad that should almost all be got rid of because they're either a) not good enough, b) the new buzzword 'toxic', or c) both. But we also need a ranty, shouty manager to manage them. If so many are going then ranty shouty shouldn't be the prime criteria.
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Was Sir Graham's appointment greeted with such negativity at the time as I can't remember.
I'm willing to bet that if these boards had been around then the folk on here now would state:
1) Long ball merchant, don't want his anti-football tactics.
2) What has he ever won?
3) Has no track record - blah, blah, blah.
I was around at the time and I was very impressed with the appointment. We had just been relegated and it looked as though we were not coming back quickly. Taylor had taken Watford through the divisions to just below the top in the 1st Division. To convince him to come to Villa was one of the best things Doug actually achieved.
I can remember being in my boss's office at the time and we were talking on the phone to a client who was well in at Watford. He said that Taylor would be a great as manager but one of the most important things was bringing Steve Harrison along with him. With any manager it's really important to have a good management/coaching team behind them. It is probably even more important now than then to have the coaches as it is a much more technical game now.
And we've spectacularly failed to secure that with most appointments post MON.
Houllier - no.
McLeish - yes?
Lambert - yes for first 2 seasons.
Sherwood - no.
Garde - no.
I don't know if RDM is actually first choice, but whoever is shouldn't be allowed near Bodymoor Heath without their first choice backroom staff.
You could argue O'Neill was a failure too. He won nothing of note and wrecked the club.
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It's a mental thought process in my opinion.
Manager spends half a decade in Championship, before finally getting out of it. Great candidate.
Manager gets promoted from Championship at first attempt. Rubbish candidate. Not enough Championship experience.
I bet that idiot Di Matteo is regretting getting promoted and winning the European and FA Cups now. He should've tried to stay down in the Championship for a few years to make his CV more enticing.
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Towards the end of the season everyone was agreed we needed a manager proven to bring stability to the dressing room which we all agree is a major problem ....for me Pearson would have done this without any issue
I am not sure why there are so many anti Pearson comments here ......... I would now back derby for automatic promotion
I am totally unsure about RDM - if he is appointed I hope he proves me wrong - as I doubt he will ever have dealt with such a mess as he will inherit here
Our planning is already way behind everybody else ....I have not even seen pre season games being planned or a retained list etc
We should be appointing a manager NOW otherwise our chances of making the play offs I fear will be NIL
Options for the manager are slim but we need to appoint and then move at great speed to start the squad etc etc
Pretty much agree with you. For me Pearson likeable or not, has a strong track record, is very direct and strong in a dressing room, and knows the Championship inside out.
RDM's experience at the highest level of the game cannot be denied, but this is a big long term job, where some slow building, and tough decisions might be needed, and I'd back Pearson to make those calls over him.
Would have liked to have seen Pearson given a chance actually, out of the limited options think he was one of the best. RDM has a decent record, but I would like someone with more Championship experience, and a stronger personality, think he's a bit passive. We could do worse, but I'm not 100% sold on him. But who ever we are getting we need to make the move fast, otherwise our planning for next season will be behind the others.
Depends on what you mean by stronger personality.
Compare him to some of his compatriots.
Ranieri
Maldini (sr)
Trapattoni
Ancelotti
Prandelli
None of them outwardly very demonstrative, but all successful in managing / massaging the biggest egos in the game, completely destroying the latin "passionate temperament" cliche exuded by losers like di Canio.
Fair point, but fact is to get us out of the Championship we are looking for a different kind of manager than them (not that we could realistically attract them anyway).
I do find it a bit backwards that we never seemd to really consider the likes of Houghton or Dyche. The later was always going to be out of
our reach when Burnley got promoted, but the former should have been one we at least inquired about.
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SV, I was only talking about if we'd successfully secured the preferred backroom staff for the manager, otherwise it would be "no" all the way down.
I'm starting the whole MON success or failure debate again, but I don't think it's a point we'd end up falling out over.
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He's so great you couldn't even be bothered to learn his name.
EDIT: response to Gregory's Boy, don't want to clog the page quoting the whole thing.
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Fair point, but fact is to get us out of the Championship we are looking for a different kind of manager than them (not that we could realistically attract them anyway).
And again, why is it that the Championship is the only competition in any sport where this is a 'fact'? Why is experience at that level more important than ability?
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I would like someone with more Championship experience
A surefire way to have lots of Championship experience?
Not being good enough to manage your way out of it, or good enough that a team higher up wants to employ you.
Presumably you Newcastle are screwed next season?
But how often does a manager of the experience and class of Rafa manage in the Championship? That is a one off, not the norm. I do take your point that within reason a good manager can be sucessful in any league, but the Championship is for me a more fast pace, and in your face league than the PL. Not to mention that by becoming a big fish in a small pond that Villa just became a marked team.
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I would like someone with more Championship experience
A surefire way to have lots of Championship experience?
Not being good enough to manage your way out of it, or good enough that a team higher up wants to employ you.
Presumably you Newcastle are screwed next season?
But how often does a manager of the experience and class of Rafa manage in the Championship? That is a one off, not the norm. I do take your point that within reason a good manager can be sucessful in any league, but the Championship is for me a more fast pace, and in your face league than the PL. Not to mention that by becoming a big fish in a small pond that Villa just became a marked team.
but probably still less of a marked team than Newcastle, if the Newcastle hype is to be believed.
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I came round to the idea of Pearson as our next manager when it was looking likely
but he's gone now I'm not going to lose any sleep over him, he ain't that great
I've not come round to the idea of RDM yet but if it happens I will no doubt get on board,
I said last week I'm not sure how dr X appoints a new manager until he has officially bought and paid for the club, I know it happened with MON but maybe both sides were in agreement with whatever happened and that's not the case this time,
if he's chosen his man and its that easy then why isn't he in the job yet
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It doesn't matter who the next manager is, because unless the deep rooted issues at the heart of the club are resolved it won't matter a jot.
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I came round to the idea of Pearson as our next manager when it was looking likely
but he's gone now I'm not going to lose any sleep over him, he ain't that great
I've not come round to the idea of RDM yet but if it happens I will no doubt get on board,
I said last week I'm not sure how dr X appoints a new manager until he has officially bought and paid for the club, I know it happened with MON but maybe both sides were in agreement with whatever happened and that's not the case this time,
if he's chosen his man and its that easy then why isn't he in the job yet
This is fair, and I'm not totally against the idea of RDM. Think we need to make a move sooner rather than later though.
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If whichever manager we go for gets us playing consistent, positive football, the results will see us promoted or in the play-offs. It was no surprise to see we ended up bottom last season because a few spots aside, we were god awful. You play well, you get results.
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In an ideal world it would be nice to make a move sooner rather than later, but the reality is no manager is going to sign for us until the ownership is finalised - until then he won't know who he'll be working for and consequently what budget may or may not be available for squad rebuilding. It's frustrating (and mildly ironic) that the thing holding things up at the minute is the one thing we've all wished for for so long
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It doesn't matter who the next manager is, because unless the deep rooted issues at the heart of the club are resolved it won't matter a jot.
We'll have a new owner, a new Board and a new manager.
As we can't actually sell or sign any players until July I'm not sure what else you want them to do at present.
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you mean apart from actually complete the takeover and appoint all the people you mentioned?
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you mean apart from actually complete the takeover and appoint all the people you mentioned?
Which they can't influence as it is now waiting on league approval.
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Yep. We'll likely appoint a manager as soon as Dr X officially takes charge. He can't take charge yet due to Football League rules.
I'm not sure how anyone at Villa can be blamed for acting too slowly. I'm also not sure what all the panic is about anyway, a few days here or there is irrelevant.
How many training sessions has Pearson taken as Derby manager? How many players has he signed?
I'll worry if we have noone in place in a few weeks, maybe. Until then, chillax. It's not even June.
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Surely, if RDM knows he's got the job he'll already be doing any work he would be had he been announced anyway
There's nothing stopping him talking to people behind the scenes or discussing potential ins and outs despite not being officially unveiled due to the takeover being picked over by the authorities
There's no panic/rush for it to be formally announced at all as far as I can see
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Agreed.
I think half a decade of shite has traumatised some fans so much that they like to seeth and moan about everything.
There's been more than enough to worry about over the years, without getting into a state about whether a manager takes over on a Saturday or a Tuesday.
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Surely, if RDM knows he's got the job he'll already be doing any work he would be had he been announced anyway
There's nothing stopping him talking to people behind the scenes or discussing potential ins and outs despite not being officially unveiled due to the takeover being picked over by the authorities
There's no panic/rush for it to be formally announced at all as far as I can see
Agreed , sirlordbaltimore, very good points ..... and perhaps one of the most important issues surrounding the new Boss will be who he brings in with him. Will he , for instance , hire a former Championship Manager who has in depth experience of this League, as his assistant ( someone like Owen Coyle , for example) , similar to Pearson at Derby.....................Godzvilla!
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Surely, if RDM knows he's got the job he'll already be doing any work he would be had he been announced anyway
He'll probably be watching DVDs of all our games from last season. The poor sod.
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But how often does a manager of the experience and class of Rafa manage in the Championship? That is a one off, not the norm. I do take your point that within reason a good manager can be sucessful in any league, but the Championship is for me a more fast pace, and in your face league than the PL. Not to mention that by becoming a big fish in a small pond that Villa just became a marked team.
And that's where a manager that can actually think, rather than just "do what he knows to survive in the league" will be an advantage, especially after promotion.
The one thing I take away from all of Pearson's antics in interviews is that I think he's absolutely thick as pig shit and knows it, but is paranoid about confirming it to the world at large in an interview, hence all the passive-aggressive psuedo intellectual bollocks.
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If the Championship is so difficult, playing a pace and style of football unknown throughout the rest of the globe, Di Matteo must have been fucking amazing to get promoted out of it at the first attempt.
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Not that suprised Pearson has plumped for Derby. They're a better club than us and with all the uncertainty over the takeover, why wait for a job you may not even be offered.
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Not that suprised Pearson has plumped for Derby. They're a better club than us and with all the uncertainty over the takeover, why wait for a job you may not even be offered.
'Better' is such a strong word...
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Not that suprised Pearson has plumped for Derby. They're a better club than us and with all the uncertainty over the takeover, why wait for a job you may not even be offered.
'Better' is such a strong word...
I'd say Derby have a better chance of promotion than us at the moment.
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But as we don't have a clue about who will be playing for us next season it's largely pointless speculating.
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Not that suprised Pearson has plumped for Derby. They're a better club than us and with all the uncertainty over the takeover, why wait for a job you may not even be offered.
They're not a better club. they may be a better run club at the moment, that could change within a season given the right circumstances.
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Not that suprised Pearson has plumped for Derby. They're a better club than us and with all the uncertainty over the takeover, why wait for a job you may not even be offered.
They're not a better club. they may be a better run club at the moment, that could change within a season given the right circumstances.
They are better at the moment as they're more stable and settled than us. They've been pushing for 3 or 4 years at the top end of the table as we have stumbled around punch drunk in that time.
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All they have over us is a recent history of bottling it when they look to be in a decent position to get promoted.
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Surely, if RDM knows he's got the job he'll already be doing any work he would be had he been announced anyway
He'll probably be watching DVDs of all our games from last season. The poor sod.
Maybe they could edit the DVD to just show the good bits......
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Surely, if RDM knows he's got the job he'll already be doing any work he would be had he been announced anyway
He'll probably be watching DVDs of all our games from last season. The poor sod.
Maybe they could edit the DVD to just show the good bits......
and make a gif?
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I hope we choose another one soon.
My work password is coming up for renewal for the next 3 months.
It looks as if I'll have to go with Doug again.
I keep trying to put beef stew as my password. It keeps saying it isn't stroganoff...
:)
Whoever RDMbrings with him will be just as important. There's a club re- build going on here, not only a campaign to get back into the Premier League.
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They've been pushing for 3 or 4 years at the top end of the table as we have stumbled around punch drunk in that time.
In a LEAGUE ABOVE THEM
Get a grip man
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It doesn't matter who the next manager is, because unless the deep rooted issues at the heart of the club are resolved it won't matter a jot.
thats why i want mick mcarthy
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We just have to sit and wait because patience is our best friend at the moment.
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Fair point, but fact is to get us out of the Championship we are looking for a different kind of manager than them (not that we could realistically attract them anyway).
And again, why is it that the Championship is the only competition in any sport where this is a 'fact'? Why is experience at that level more important than ability?
It's as daft an argument as to suggest that once Eddie Howe got Bournemouth promoted he should have been fired for a manager with PL experience. The only immediate question that needs to be answered is whether or not Di Matteo is good enough to manage in the Championship? And clearly the answer is yes he is.
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The even bigger question is how big will his budget for new players be. With a decent, strong manager in place we have enough talent in the squad as it stands to get promotion. What we don't know is whether adequate funds will be available to dispose of toxic players, keep our better players and bring good players in. Money is central to our success or failure next season.
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It doesn't matter who the next manager is, because unless the deep rooted issues at the heart of the club are resolved it won't matter a jot.
thats why i want mick mcarthy
You have a very clear type you fall for haven't you Conman!!
Pearson... now McCarthy. Both big hard useless lumps that think they are more talented than they ever have been, are advicates of the if it moves kick it philosephy and are generally objectionable bastards. Glad neither will be fouling our door next season.
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It doesn't matter who the next manager is, because unless the deep rooted issues at the heart of the club are resolved it won't matter a jot.
thats why i want mick mcarthy
You have a very clear type you fall for haven't you Conman!!
Pearson... now McCarthy. Both big hard useless lumps that think they are more talented than they ever have been, are advicates of the if it moves kick it philosephy and are generally objectionable bastards. Glad neither will be fouling our door next season.
I'm just quite relieved conman isn't involved in our recruitment process!
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It doesn't matter who the next manager is, because unless the deep rooted issues at the heart of the club are resolved it won't matter a jot.
thats why i want mick mcarthy
You have a very clear type you fall for haven't you Conman!!
Pearson... now McCarthy. Both big hard useless lumps that think they are more talented than they ever have been, are advicates of the if it moves kick it philosephy and are generally objectionable bastards. Glad neither will be fouling our door next season.
I think he was being sarcastic.
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I take it you've not read many of his posts?
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The only immediate question that needs to be answered is whether or not Di Matteo is good enough to manage in the Championship? And clearly the answer is yes he is.
Surely the question is "Is Di Matteo good enough to get us out of the championship" rather than manage in it?
A manager who can happily keep us mid table is no use whatsoever.
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Those knocking the likes of McCarthy and Pearson need to have a wakeup call and be realistic about the position we currently find ourselves in. If we were still a top flight club then maybe we could set our sights higher, but as it stands I think we are more likely to drop another division than return to the PL. Given that I think our options are limited, and managers of their irk maybe as good as we could hope for right
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The only immediate question that needs to be answered is whether or not Di Matteo is good enough to manage in the Championship? And clearly the answer is yes he is.
Surely the question is "Is Di Matteo good enough to get us out of the championship" rather than manage in it?
A manager who can happily keep us mid table is no use whatsoever.
Do you think I meant manage in it and not get us out? I thought it would be taken for granted that getting us out of it was a prerequisite of any hire we make.
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Those knocking the likes of McCarthy and Pearson need to have a wakeup call and be realistic about the position we currently find ourselves in. If we were still a top flight club then maybe we could set our sights higher, but as it stands I think we are more likely to drop another division than return to the PL. Given that I think our options are limited, and managers of their irk maybe as good as we could hope for right
Yet you're the one knocking a manager who has a record that Pearson and McCarthy won't match if they manage for the next hundred years.
Maybe you might want to set your own wake-up call.
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Those knocking the likes of McCarthy and Pearson need to have a wakeup call and be realistic about the position we currently find ourselves in. If we were still a top flight club then maybe we could set our sights higher, but as it stands I think we are more likely to drop another division than return to the PL. Given that I think our options are limited, and managers of their irk maybe as good as we could hope for right
In which case RDM, should be manna from heaven.
He's already got a managerial CV, most would kill for and is patently so many steps in front of the Mick McCarthy types he's already out of the ground.
I'm becoming more convinced that the fascination with McCarthy, Pearson et. al. is a desire to see some of the wastrels and wankers physically suffer violent retribution for last season.
Apart from Pearson only attacks opposition players and McCarthy by all accounts is someone his players would run through brick walls for, and not out of fear.
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Those knocking the likes of McCarthy and Pearson need to have a wakeup call and be realistic about the position we currently find ourselves in. If we were still a top flight club then maybe we could set our sights higher, but as it stands I think we are more likely to drop another division than return to the PL. Given that I think our options are limited, and managers of their irk maybe as good as we could hope for right
Yet you're the one knocking a manager who has a record that Pearson and McCarthy won't match if they manage for the next hundred years.
Maybe you might want to set your own wake-up call.
What are you talking about? All I said is that RDM wouldn't be my first choice and that I would like someone with more Championship experience. How is that knocking him? If that's the worse he's ever got, then he's doing pretty well. Oh and surely you're not giving him credit for Chelsea's Champions League win are you? We all know that it was because of talented squad who suddenly decided to play because they had their mate managering them? That win could have come anytime over a three year period. He steadyed the ship, not much else.
Mccarthy has got two clubs promoted from the Champioonship (and in the second case Wolves were competative in the PL), and he has taken Ipswich from a team near the bottom to play-off contenders in next to no time, and with very little money too.
Besides his brief spell at Hull, Pearson has made an impact at just about every club he's managed and deserves at least a bit of credit for Leicester's title win. If you don't like him as a person, fine, but lets stop pretending that he has nothing to offer as a manager.
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Those knocking the likes of McCarthy and Pearson need to have a wakeup call and be realistic about the position we currently find ourselves in. If we were still a top flight club then maybe we could set our sights higher, but as it stands I think we are more likely to drop another division than return to the PL. Given that I think our options are limited, and managers of their irk maybe as good as we could hope for right
Yet you're the one knocking a manager who has a record that Pearson and McCarthy won't match if they manage for the next hundred years.
Maybe you might want to set your own wake-up call.
Dave, RDM has only managed two full seasons, one of those being MK Bloody Dons.
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I presume all these that seem desperate for RDM to be appointed are those who not long ago wanted Paul Lambert ....where did that get us?
RDM ...yes he won Champions League at Chelsea but was that his team? Not really ........ How many other clubs are chasing him to manage them?
Pearson ...... 100% proven in Championship with teams that he build ........ more than Villa were interested in him this summer
McCarthy ..... 100% proven again and has worked with almost no money at Ipswich
My fear is that RDM will struggle with the task ahead in B6 ....... the dressing room ...do we know much about his man management?
I will support him if appointed but I do have serious doubts about him and the Championship has changed since he managed at the Baggies, I can't recall the state of their squad at the time but ours is the worst I am sure the majority of us have ever seen
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I presume all these that seem desperate for RDM to be appointed are those who not long ago wanted Paul Lambert ....where did that get us?
Yes, that's a logical assumption. They are very similar, after all. Or not.
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I presume all these that seem desperate for RDM to be appointed are those who not long ago wanted Paul Lambert ....where did that get us?
RDM ...yes he won Champions League at Chelsea but was that his team? Not really ........ How many other clubs are chasing him to manage them?
Pearson ...... 100% proven in Championship with teams that he build ........ more than Villa were interested in him this summer
McCarthy ..... 100% proven again and has worked with almost no money at Ipswich
My fear is that RDM will struggle with the task ahead in B6 ....... the dressing room ...do we know much about his man management?
I will support him if appointed but I do have serious doubts about him and the Championship has changed since he managed at the Baggies, I can't recall the state of their squad at the time but ours is the worst I am sure the majority of us have ever seen
Your presumption is shite. I wanted Lambert, but I couldn't care less for onion head.
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I presume all these that seem desperate for RDM to be appointed are those who not long ago wanted Paul Lambert ....where did that get us?
Yes, that's a logical assumption. They are very similar, after all. Or not.
The point is many wanted Lambert and look what happened ........
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I presume all these that seem desperate for RDM to be appointed are those who not long ago wanted Paul Lambert ....where did that get us?
RDM ...yes he won Champions League at Chelsea but was that his team? Not really ........ How many other clubs are chasing him to manage them?
Pearson ...... 100% proven in Championship with teams that he build ........ more than Villa were interested in him this summer
McCarthy ..... 100% proven again and has worked with almost no money at Ipswich
My fear is that RDM will struggle with the task ahead in B6 ....... the dressing room ...do we know much about his man management?
I will support him if appointed but I do have serious doubts about him and the Championship has changed since he managed at the Baggies, I can't recall the state of their squad at the time but ours is the worst I am sure the majority of us have ever seen
Your presumption is shite. I wanted Lambert, but I couldn't care less for onion head.
Not from whats on here ......... RDM seems to be the majorities favourite
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Pearson was so in demand he's ended up at Derby and it's taken him a year to find a job.
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I presume all these that seem desperate for RDM to be appointed are those who not long ago wanted Paul Lambert ....where did that get us?
Yes, that's a logical assumption. They are very similar, after all. Or not.
The point is many wanted Lambert and look what happened ........
No, your point was that the same people who wanted Lambert want RDM.
Which is utter bollocks as far as assumptions go. Some may have, some may not.
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I presume all these that seem desperate for RDM to be appointed are those who not long ago wanted Paul Lambert ....where did that get us?
RDM ...yes he won Champions League at Chelsea but was that his team? Not really ........ How many other clubs are chasing him to manage them?
Pearson ...... 100% proven in Championship with teams that he build ........ more than Villa were interested in him this summer
McCarthy ..... 100% proven again and has worked with almost no money at Ipswich
My fear is that RDM will struggle with the task ahead in B6 ....... the dressing room ...do we know much about his man management?
I will support him if appointed but I do have serious doubts about him and the Championship has changed since he managed at the Baggies, I can't recall the state of their squad at the time but ours is the worst I am sure the majority of us have ever seen
Your presumption is shite. I wanted Lambert, but I couldn't care less for onion head.
Not from whats on here ......... RDM seems to be the majorities favourite
No, he's the majorettes favourite, the namby pamby bed wetters that are too scared of Nasty Nigel.
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Those knocking the likes of McCarthy and Pearson need to have a wakeup call and be realistic about the position we currently find ourselves in. If we were still a top flight club then maybe we could set our sights higher, but as it stands I think we are more likely to drop another division than return to the PL. Given that I think our options are limited, and managers of their irk maybe as good as we could hope for right
Yet you're the one knocking a manager who has a record that Pearson and McCarthy won't match if they manage for the next hundred years.
Maybe you might want to set your own wake-up call.
Dave, RDM has only managed two full seasons, one of those being MK Bloody Dons.
and in the other he got automatic promotion from the league we're now in with a team that had, just like us, been relegated. So 1 season the championship where he was successful isn't enough experience, but a waste of space like McCarthy who's got propmoted twice in about 12 attempts is 'as good as we could hope for'.
Yet again people are falling into the trap of thinking that the championship is some strange footballing anomaly where there are special requirements needed to get out of it and only people who have tried and failed a few times stand any chance of working them out. I seriously can't work out how the league has got the reputation it has, Hull have just been promoted from it with largely the same team that went down and were absolutely shit in premier league.
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Those knocking the likes of McCarthy and Pearson need to have a wakeup call and be realistic about the position we currently find ourselves in. If we were still a top flight club then maybe we could set our sights higher, but as it stands I think we are more likely to drop another division than return to the PL. Given that I think our options are limited, and managers of their irk maybe as good as we could hope for right
Yet you're the one knocking a manager who has a record that Pearson and McCarthy won't match if they manage for the next hundred years.
Maybe you might want to set your own wake-up call.
Dave, RDM has only managed two full seasons, one of those being MK Bloody Dons.
and in the other he got automatic promotion from the league we're now in with a team that had, just like us, been relegated. So 1 season the championship where he was successful isn't enough experience, but a waste of space like McCarthy who's got propmoted twice in about 12 attempts is 'as good as we could hope for'.
Yet again people are falling into the trap of thinking that the championship is some strange footballing anomaly where there are special requirements needed to get out of it and only people who have tried and failed a few times stand any chance of working them out. I seriously can't work out how the league has got the reputation it has, Hull have just been promoted from it with largely the same team that went down and were absolutely shit in premier league.
Playing exactly the kind of turgid,meat and potatoes football that's seen them struggle to stay up, then relegated, then scrape through the playoffs and almost certainly struggle again next season.
Compare with the ease Bournemouth came up and stayed up under someone that can actually coach something other than a rigid 4-4-bleeding-2 or it's exotic cousin 4411, 2 banks of 4, big strong guy up front, turn it back to front as quick as you like propogated by Bruce and McCarthy.
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Let's remember before we go off thinking RDM is the new great thing for us
He's not got the job yet
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Those knocking the likes of McCarthy and Pearson need to have a wakeup call and be realistic about the position we currently find ourselves in. If we were still a top flight club then maybe we could set our sights higher, but as it stands I think we are more likely to drop another division than return to the PL. Given that I think our options are limited, and managers of their irk maybe as good as we could hope for right
Yet you're the one knocking a manager who has a record that Pearson and McCarthy won't match if they manage for the next hundred years.
Maybe you might want to set your own wake-up call.
Dave, RDM has only managed two full seasons, one of those being MK Bloody Dons.
and in the other he got automatic promotion from the league we're now in with a team that had, just like us, been relegated. So 1 season the championship where he was successful isn't enough experience, but a waste of space like McCarthy who's got propmoted twice in about 12 attempts is 'as good as we could hope for'.
Yet again people are falling into the trap of thinking that the championship is some strange footballing anomaly where there are special requirements needed to get out of it and only people who have tried and failed a few times stand any chance of working them out. I seriously can't work out how the league has got the reputation it has, Hull have just been promoted from it with largely the same team that went down and were absolutely shit in premier league.
Slavisa Jokanovic had one season in the Championship and got Watford promoted but I didn't see anybody calling for him.
McCarthy? I wouldn't want McCarthy anywhere near Villa Park except in the Opposition dugout. I just find it funny how so many want to sing the praises of RDM when he was at Chelsea for 8 months of which 3 were out of season. From my understanding he did a cracking job in the Championship with Albion but he's still very inexperienced as a manager. That's not saying he can't fix us, you only have to look to Spain to see successful coaches doing the business with next to no experience. It can be done. It's a risk but then who isn't.
Pearson would have been the obvious choice if he wasn't such a nutter. It may have been worth the risk but he's now no longer available. Let's see how the Championship shapes up, it should be tougher with ourselves and Newcastle, not to mention Norwich in there. The only 'strange footballing anomaly where there are special requirements' is you need to win lots of games, something we haven't done for a very long time. One thing in RDM's favour is he is a winner. What I expect is we'll spend big in the summer and a mentality change will see us go up, hopefully in some style.
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Compare with the ease Bournemouth came up and stayed up under someone that can actually coach something other than a rigid 4-4-bleeding-2 or it's exotic cousin 4411, 2 banks of 4, big strong guy up front, turn it back to front as quick as you like propogated by Bruce and McCarthy.
From my understanding, RDM likes to play 451.
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we wont be getting Fat Ed then, after hull been promoted.
btw excellent Wednesday fans
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Compare with the ease Bournemouth came up and stayed up under someone that can actually coach something other than a rigid 4-4-bleeding-2 or it's exotic cousin 4411, 2 banks of 4, big strong guy up front, turn it back to front as quick as you like propogated by Bruce and McCarthy.
From my understanding, RDM likes to play 451.
Depending on how he sets it up, a nominal 451 can be quite fluid shifting between 4321, 451 and 433.
Alternatively a rigid 451 can be as eye-wateringly shit as a 2 banks of 4 442.
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Whoever comes in, obviously it seems like it'll be RDM, needs to have a few different options. Not having different systems and ways of playing is one of the main reasons MON couldn't get us into the top 4. The new manager needs a plan A, B & C.
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I'm sorry, but this 'Pearson was the obvious choice' stuff makes no sense. Yes he got Leicester up, but he spent loads of seasons muddling around in mid-table. There's nothing to suggest, from his record, that he'd be better than RDM.
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Pearson is a ticking time-bomb. We can't afford any more madness or bad press.
Time for a reliable manager who knows what he's doing.
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Agreed however that's not Di Matteo.
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Who is it?
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I said that ;)
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Surely, if RDM knows he's got the job he'll already be doing any work he would be had he been announced anyway
There's nothing stopping him talking to people behind the scenes or discussing potential ins and outs despite not being officially unveiled due to the takeover being picked over by the authorities
There's no panic/rush for it to be formally announced at all as far as I can see
Agreed , sirlordbaltimore, very good points ..... and perhaps one of the most important issues surrounding the new Boss will be who he brings in with him. Will he , for instance , hire a former Championship Manager who has in depth experience of this League, as his assistant ( someone like Owen Coyle , for example) , similar to Pearson at Derby.....................Godzvilla!
if we are to get out of the championship at the first time of asking, history would suggest that whoever is appointed has to bring in at least person oh his coaching team who has the ability to climb a step ladder and curl one out into a teacup on the floor. Without this particular skillset, I fear we are doomed to do a Coventry or a Leeds.
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Those knocking the likes of McCarthy and Pearson need to have a wakeup call and be realistic about the position we currently find ourselves in. If we were still a top flight club then maybe we could set our sights higher, but as it stands I think we are more likely to drop another division than return to the PL. Given that I think our options are limited, and managers of their irk maybe as good as we could hope for right
In which case RDM, should be manna from heaven.
He's already got a managerial CV, most would kill for and is patently so many steps in front of the Mick McCarthy types he's already out of the ground.
I'm becoming more convinced that the fascination with McCarthy, Pearson et. al. is a desire to see some of the wastrels and wankers physically suffer violent retribution for last season.
Apart from Pearson only attacks opposition players and McCarthy by all accounts is someone his players would run through brick walls for, and not out of fear.
your post made me smile because before the Recon takeover was announced and the new possibilities it has turned up have emerged, that is exactly what I wanted- some psycho who would exact physical retribution on the wastrels! I still happen to think that instead of letting them fuck off to teneriffe, the ones not involved with their national teams should be sent on a bootcamp in the Australian outback until pre-season starts.
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Rafa Benitez has just won the European Cup by some of the logic on here.
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Fuck it, I'm going to say it.
I'd take Bruce over RdM on a 12 month rolling contract.
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Fist Face made a right meal of promotion with Hull.
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Fuck it, I'm going to say it.
I'd take Bruce over RdM on a 12 month rolling contract.
Given Bruce's comments post match, I think this is a come and get me to Dr Xia. Bruce might be a more sensible option than Di Matteo but I'd like to see what RDM would do with Villa.
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Compare with the ease Bournemouth came up and stayed up under someone that can actually coach something other than a rigid 4-4-bleeding-2 or it's exotic cousin 4411, 2 banks of 4, big strong guy up front, turn it back to front as quick as you like propogated by Bruce and McCarthy.
From my understanding, RDM likes to play 451.
Depending on how he sets it up, a nominal 451 can be quite fluid shifting between 4321, 451 and 433.
Alternatively a rigid 451 can be as eye-wateringly shit as a 2 banks of 4 442.
The difference between those variations is really down to the players picked in the midfield. If they're attacking enough, it doesn't really matter how it's labelled or shown on a graphic on TV.
To my mind if you've got two wingers and three more defensively minded ones in the centre it becomes a 433. Add a number 10 for a central player and you've got a 4231. Pick a midfield without any real flair or width and that's your 451.
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Fuck it, I'm going to say it.
I'd take Bruce over RdM on a 12 month rolling contract.
I wouldn't.
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I hope whoever it is and whatever formation they play it will be better than 1 1111111111 we played last season!
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Compare with the ease Bournemouth came up and stayed up under someone that can actually coach something other than a rigid 4-4-bleeding-2 or it's exotic cousin 4411, 2 banks of 4, big strong guy up front, turn it back to front as quick as you like propogated by Bruce and McCarthy.
From my understanding, RDM likes to play 451.
Depending on how he sets it up, a nominal 451 can be quite fluid shifting between 4321, 451 and 433.
Alternatively a rigid 451 can be as eye-wateringly shit as a 2 banks of 4 442.
The difference between those variations is really down to the players picked in the midfield. If they're attacking enough, it doesn't really matter how it's labelled or shown on a graphic on TV.
To my mind if you've got two wingers and three more defensively minded ones in the centre it becomes a 433. Add a number 10 for a central player and you've got a 4231. Pick a midfield without ant real flair or width and that's your 451.
Exactly. It depends on how he sets it up and which players make up the 5.
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Fuck it, I'm going to say it.
I'd take Bruce over RdM on a 12 month rolling contract.
I wouldn't.
I'd be looking forward to a new manager the day he arrived
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Compare with the ease Bournemouth came up and stayed up under someone that can actually coach something other than a rigid 4-4-bleeding-2 or it's exotic cousin 4411, 2 banks of 4, big strong guy up front, turn it back to front as quick as you like propogated by Bruce and McCarthy.
From my understanding, RDM likes to play 451.
Depending on how he sets it up, a nominal 451 can be quite fluid shifting between 4321, 451 and 433.
Alternatively a rigid 451 can be as eye-wateringly shit as a 2 banks of 4 442.
The difference between those variations is really down to the players picked in the midfield. If they're attacking enough, it doesn't really matter how it's labelled or shown on a graphic on TV.
To my mind if you've got two wingers and three more defensively minded ones in the centre it becomes a 433. Add a number 10 for a central player and you've got a 4231. Pick a midfield without ant real flair or width and that's your 451.
With our squad I'd go with 4231. Veretout and a very disciplined defensive option as the 2, then Ayew, Grealish and Adama as the 3.
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Compare with the ease Bournemouth came up and stayed up under someone that can actually coach something other than a rigid 4-4-bleeding-2 or it's exotic cousin 4411, 2 banks of 4, big strong guy up front, turn it back to front as quick as you like propogated by Bruce and McCarthy.
From my understanding, RDM likes to play 451.
Depending on how he sets it up, a nominal 451 can be quite fluid shifting between 4321, 451 and 433.
Alternatively a rigid 451 can be as eye-wateringly shit as a 2 banks of 4 442.
The difference between those variations is really down to the players picked in the midfield. If they're attacking enough, it doesn't really matter how it's labelled or shown on a graphic on TV.
To my mind if you've got two wingers and three more defensively minded ones in the centre it becomes a 433. Add a number 10 for a central player and you've got a 4231. Pick a midfield without ant real flair or width and that's your 451.
With our squad I'd go with 4231. Veretout and a very disciplined defensive option as the 2, then Ayew, Grealish and Adama as the 3.
I don't think we're strong enough in central midfield right now to play with just 2 there. Plus, even though they'd be picked for their at tacking abilities, you need to keep a shape and track runs, which both Adama and Grealish are a bit too 'free spirited' to do in my opinion. Probably get away with one of them playing a free role behind the striker, but not both.
My hope is that with a stronger manager and coaching set up that can be trained into them as I'd love to see that formation. Still think we'd need a couple of midfield signings to make it work.
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We certainly lack physicality, generally as a side but certainly in midfield. I'd like us to sign someone for a deep lying role to suit and protect Grealish. I also wish we could get the Richards who played for Man City back because that player, and Amavi shooting down the wings would help with whatever formation we play. Sadly, I think Richards is an arrogant busted flush who thinks he's better than he is. Anyway, let's get the new Manager in this week and start sorting the wheat from the chaff.
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It was a really subdued celebration by Bruce at the final whistle today strange would not be surprised if he quit Hull this week.
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I don't think we're strong enough in central midfield right now to play with just 2 there. Plus, even though they'd be picked for their at tacking abilities, you need to keep a shape and track runs, which both Adama and Grealish are a bit too 'free spirited' to do in my opinion. Probably get away with one of them playing a free role behind the striker, but not both.
My hope is that with a stronger manager and coaching set up that can be trained into them as I'd love to see that formation. Still think we'd need a couple of midfield signings to make it work.
At premier league level I'd agree but in the championship I don't think it would be such a problem. Get a decent manager and some reasonable coaches and I reckon Veretout, Gana, Sanchez and Gardner is a good enough mix for those 2 spots to get is automatic promotion. I think a lot of people are massively over-estimating the quality of the championship at the moment.
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It was a really subdued celebration by Bruce at the final whistle today strange would not be surprised if he quit Hull this week.
Why the hell would he do that?
That Hull gig is the best one he's going to get next season and probably ever again.
The only way he's quiting is Hull's owner is cute enough to realise that he needs a far better manager to stand a real chance of surviving and establishing themselves in the PL and has already agreed a payoff with a new manager lined up.
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Lol... this is the Benitez that despite games againt Villa, Norwich and Sunderland could not save Newcastle. I think a result against an utterly dejected Spurs completely skewed a pretty average job he did there at the end of the season.
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You know what I just want to get out of this f@$#ing league. I am not looking forward to fixtures against the likes of Charlton,Brighton,Rotherham etc. I don't care what football we play to get out.
They need to appoint whoever has the best chance of getting us back in the Premiership.
If it takes a bastard appoint one.
I dont want us playing tippy tappy football if the journey men teams are going to steamroller. us.
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Last season we played Blues and beat them with Sherwood in charge. Gestede only had to move in front of his man to be on the end of a header and Grealish found acres of space. I reckon as long as we are organised and bring in 3 or 4 leaders through the spine there is easily enough talent in the squad to get back up next season. Derby even before thug life took over, Newcastle, Brighton and Norwich will be right up there with us i am sure but we have enough with sensible buying to get back up.
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Agree with you OzzJim to an extent. I do think we could largely cobble a decent squad together to mount a solid challenge next season from the handful of first team players that don't need to be chopped and the rest of the players we have on our books who haven't featured much in the first team the last few seasons. Getting rid of the wastrels and bringing in a few leaders is vital though. Whatever happens in the lead up to next season, I honestly can't see next season being anywhere near as disappointing as any of the last four or five. Onwards and upwards.
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You know what I just want to get out of this f@$#ing league. I am not looking forward to fixtures against the likes of Charlton,Brighton,Rotherham etc. I don't care what football we play to get out.
They need to appoint whoever has the best chance of getting us back in the Premiership.
If it takes a bastard appoint one.
I dont want us playing tippy tappy football if the journey men teams are going to steamroller. us.
charlton away was one of my favourite away fixtures living as I did, in Brockley SE4. On the piss in Greenwich, train up to Charlton and a couple in the social club near the ground. Don't think I ever saw us win there, but lots of exciting draws and penalty misses! Banter with the people in the tower blocks overlooking the away end was quite funny. Only bad thing was waiting on the platform one night for a train back to Greenwich for what seemed like hours with thousands of other people. Then when a train did turn up it went straight to bloody London Bridge without stopping! Fark what a pisser that was.
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We won't be playing Charlton. They were relegated.
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I don't think we're strong enough in central midfield right now to play with just 2 there. Plus, even though they'd be picked for their at tacking abilities, you need to keep a shape and track runs, which both Adama and Grealish are a bit too 'free spirited' to do in my opinion. Probably get away with one of them playing a free role behind the striker, but not both.
My hope is that with a stronger manager and coaching set up that can be trained into them as I'd love to see that formation. Still think we'd need a couple of midfield signings to make it work.
At premier league level I'd agree but in the championship I don't think it would be such a problem. Get a decent manager and some reasonable coaches and I reckon Veretout, Gana, Sanchez and Gardner is a good enough mix for those 2 spots to get is automatic promotion. I think a lot of people are massively over-estimating the quality of the championship at the moment.
Yep - I think we can play a fairly loose midfield against most teams at Villa Park, and you can chuck in the likes of Sanchez and/or Clark in midfield, and maybe field a CB at fullback for away fixtures where more steel is necessary.
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what did Bruce say yesterday to give the impression he was interested in the job?
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Seems like there is something in this BBC sport have a quote from Bruce saying he's sitting down with the Hull owners to review and if he doesn't get right assurances he could leave. Is he just angling for a better contract and player investment? or is there a job vacancy near his home that he's interested in?
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I think it is much more likely that Hull want somebody better.
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I think it is much more likely that Hull want somebody better.
Here's hoping they've got their eye Di Matteo.
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Nice one. Me too.
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You know what I just want to get out of this f@$#ing league. I am not looking forward to fixtures against the likes of Charlton,Brighton,Rotherham etc. I don't care what football we play to get out.
They need to appoint whoever has the best chance of getting us back in the Premiership.
If it takes a bastard appoint one.
I dont want us playing tippy tappy football if the journey men teams are going to steamroller. us.
When we played a journeyman championship side last year - Small Heath - we spent 45 minutes playing championship style agricultural football, launching endless long balls at then and it got us absolutely nowhere. It was when we started playing football that the difference in class showed.
The championship is full of teams with years of experience playing basic, ugly football. If we try to do that, they'll easily cope with it.
We did not get relegated due to some bogus dedication to the beautiful game. We got relegated because we had a squad of shit, unbothered intetlopers lead by clueless managers.
The way to get promoted is by being a better team than most of the others.
Adapting to our new surroundings by playing ugly football, buying players who have spent years in the championship or appointing a manager who has managed there for years is not going to get us out, it is going to keep us there
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Spot on, Paulie. Sod "Championship experience", I want "promotion experience". We should in no way be looking to join in with what goes on down there.
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I do not want Steve Bruce anywhere near Villa park thank you very much
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I think it is much more likely that Hull want somebody better.
Here's hoping they've got their eye Di Matteo.
Di Matteo is a brilliant manager.....exactly what Hull need!
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if the criteria is getting a manager to get us out of the hell hole that is the Championship, isn't Steve Bruce better qualified than most?
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Spot on, Paulie. Sod "Championship experience", I want "promotion experience". We should in no way be looking to join in with what goes on down there.
There are a number of managers who seem to be know what to do to get promoted but then can't hack it when the make step up. My worry is that the reverse might be true; if we go for a man with only top level experience he struggles to get his ideas across to players of lesser ability. That is one of the things that persuaded me on Di Matteo despite earlier misgivings.
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Spot on, Paulie. Sod "Championship experience", I want "promotion experience". We should in no way be looking to join in with what goes on down there.
There are a number of managers who seem to be know what to do to get promoted but then can't hack it when the make step up. My worry is that the reverse might be true; if we go for a man with only top level experience he struggles to get his ideas across to players of lesser ability. That is one of the things that persuaded me on Di Matteo despite earlier misgivings.
I don't see why we need be thinking too long-term at this point. I agree, for me, RDM is ideal. Get us up playing "promotion" football, lay some foundations, then reassess. If he can then take us further, good, brilliant, couldn't be happier. If he can't, we get in someone better.
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Spot on, Paulie. Sod "Championship experience", I want "promotion experience". We should in no way be looking to join in with what goes on down there.
There are a number of managers who seem to be know what to do to get promoted but then can't hack it when the make step up. My worry is that the reverse might be true; if we go for a man with only top level experience he struggles to get his ideas across to players of lesser ability. That is one of the things that persuaded me on Di Matteo despite earlier misgivings.
I don't see why we need be thinking too long-term at this point. I agree, for me, RDM is ideal. Get us up playing "promotion" football, lay some foundations, then reassess. If he can then take us further, good, brilliant, couldn't be happier. If he can't, we get in someone better.
The foundations you speak should be off the pitch, coming from scouting, coaching and driven by a director of football. Randy's biggest mistake was lurching from one extreme of a strategy to another with no joined up thinking. Decide on a vision of what you want to be and how to get there and stick to it. Employ managers that buy into it, so if one goes and another goes it's not a matter of starting again, but carrying on. Tweaks can be made, but within the existing model of what you're trying to achieve. The important think being having the right DOF coaches and scouts bringing the plan to fruition.
Southampton are a great example of this.
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Spot on, Paulie. Sod "Championship experience", I want "promotion experience". We should in no way be looking to join in with what goes on down there.
There are a number of managers who seem to be know what to do to get promoted but then can't hack it when the make step up. My worry is that the reverse might be true; if we go for a man with only top level experience he struggles to get his ideas across to players of lesser ability. That is one of the things that persuaded me on Di Matteo despite earlier misgivings.
I don't see why we need be thinking too long-term at this point. I agree, for me, RDM is ideal. Get us up playing "promotion" football, lay some foundations, then reassess. If he can then take us further, good, brilliant, couldn't be happier. If he can't, we get in someone better.
The foundations you speak should be off the pitch, coming from scouting, coaching and driven by a director of football. Randy's biggest mistake was lurching from one extreme of a strategy to another with no joined up thinking. Decide on a vision of what you want to be and how to get there and stick to it. Employ managers that buy into it, so if one goes and another goes it's not a matter of starting again, but carrying on. Tweaks can be made, but within the existing model of what you're trying to achieve. The important think being having the right DOF coaches and scouts bringing the plan to fruition.
Southampton are a great example of this.
Yep, let someone like Di Matteo focus on the short-term and look to bring someone in who can set about getting the infrastructure of the club right for the long-term.
Randy could have done that long ago, like instead of giving McLeish the job, giving McAllister the job and instead of getting rid of Houllier altogether, making him DoF.
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Pat Murphy's been sounded out on Twitter saying that Di Matteo is nailed on, and that Bruce was never considered because of his Blues connection. He's fairly dismissive of Di Matteo's credentials into the bargain. He reckons Xia has been seduced by the Champions League win that was the work of the dressing room rather than the manager.
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It's a bit of a nice thing to have on your cv though isn't it?
Kind of separates you from the bunch of ordinary journey men we've been linked to.
I wanted Moyes but that's over. Didn't even give Di Matteo a thought but I'd say he's as qualified as any of the realistic candidates.
Hoping things will get moving so we can all get out of this vacuum of nothingness and start preparing for the new season.
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Pat Murphy's been sounded out on Twitter saying that Di Matteo is nailed on, and that Bruce was never considered because of his Blues connection. He's fairly dismissive of Di Matteo's credentials into the bargain. He reckons Xia has been seduced by the Champions League win that was the work of the dressing room rather than the manager.
See Murphy having knowledge of the appointment is useful, but his view on Di Matteo's credentials isn't really important.
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
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The small to mid sized clubs who have all done well in the top flight in recent years do have the type of set-up where if the manager (or head coach) moves on, there isn't a radical departure in playing style.
But Martinez at Swansea and Adkins at Southampton were there for an extended period in the opening phase to get the foundations right at those clubs.
If Di Matteo stays just two seasons at the Villa, that will be the longest period he's remained at one club as manager. Is he the type pf person to oversee the kind of extensive rebuild we need?
He trumps the likes of Bruce and Pearson, but that isn't saying much.
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
It is when you bear in mind they beat Bayern and Barcelona to win it.
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I like the idea of having a manager who is capable of those important one-off results. I want Di Matteo to be a good manager all season, but those cup results suggest he has a knack for unique pressure big games have. It seems silly to even suggest it, but when we play the likes of Burton away, it would be nice to have a manager that sees through all the media bullshit because he's been there and done it.
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
You could argue Barton was lucky to inherit Saunders' team and that the secret to the win was in the dressing room..?
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Rdm doesn't have a bad record. Not giving him credit for winning the champions league is not fair
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
You could argue Barton was lucky to inherit Saunders' team and that the secret to the win was in the dressing room..?
You could, but you'd be wrong if you thought that was all he had to do.
"He just kept things ticking over, which takes a lot of character" - Gary Shaw.
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
You could argue Barton was lucky to inherit Saunders' team and that the secret to the win was in the dressing room..?
You could, but you'd be wrong if you thought that was all he had to do.
"He just kept things ticking over, which takes a lot of character" - Gary Shaw.
I wasn't for a minute saying Barton's role was unimportant. I was using his example to point out that RDM's contribution to the Champion's League win was not insignificant.
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
You could argue Barton was lucky to inherit Saunders' team and that the secret to the win was in the dressing room..?
You could, but you'd be wrong if you thought that was all he had to do.
"He just kept things ticking over, which takes a lot of character" - Gary Shaw.
I wasn't for a minute saying Barton's role was unimportant. I was using his example to point out that RDM's contribution to the Champion's League win was not insignificant.
That's a fair point. Everyone who was around at the time said that Barton's biggest advantage was that he didn't feel he had to add anything or do it differently; not many managers would be able to do that.
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
I can separate the humble man who'd worked for years with the group from the lucky man that sat back and let Terry and Lampard run the show, then screamed "I did it!" Like a demented 5 year old at a clearly unimpressed oligarch.
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If Dr x's plan goes tits up it will be big Neil W.
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Is the Terry that "ran the show" the same one that missed the final and most of the semi second leg?
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
I can separate the humble man who'd worked for years with the group from the lucky man that sat back and let Terry and Lampard run the show, then screamed "I did it!" Like a demented 5 year old at a clearly unimpressed oligarch.
A friend of mine reminded me a couple of days ago that he knows the father of Ross Turnbull who was at Chelsea in the season when they won the Champions League. He will try and find out from his son what RDMs style of management was like when he was there. I must admit I can only vaguely recall a player called Ross Turnbull. A centre back I think. Or maybe not.
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
I can separate the humble man who'd worked for years with the group from the lucky man that sat back and let Terry and Lampard run the show, then screamed "I did it!" Like a demented 5 year old at a clearly unimpressed oligarch.
A friend of mine reminded me a couple of days ago that he knows the father of Ross Turnbull who was at Chelsea in the season when they won the Champions League. He will try and find out from his son what RDMs style of management was like when he was there. I must admit I can only vaguely recall a player called Ross Turnbull. A centre back I think. Or maybe not.
He was a goalkeeper
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Without Googling, I think he was a backup goalie. Vaguely remember him chucking one in for us in a reserve match.
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
You could argue Barton was lucky to inherit Saunders' team and that the secret to the win was in the dressing room..?
Ron gave them the team talk after he left when he said they were so well drilled a trained monkey could manage them.
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Gareth Bale?
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Pat Murphy's been sounded out on Twitter saying that Di Matteo is nailed on, and that Bruce was never considered because of his Blues connection. He's fairly dismissive of Di Matteo's credentials into the bargain. He reckons Xia has been seduced by the Champions League win that was the work of the dressing room rather than the manager.
Sums it up quite neatly,but a guy who has no experience of running a football club is going to make daft decisions. We've just had 10 years if it ,plus ca change.
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It's hardly like he's going to appoint a complete no hoper
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It's a shame he's being written off by some before he's even been appointed.
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I think he looks a little like Remi Garde , which doesn't do him any favours, if he can get a significant number of his own players in 6 min Imo we will have a chance of good season next year, I don't think we can underestimate the effect of last year's struggle will have on the remaining squad.
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It's a shame he's being written off by some before he's even been appointed.
Every manager we look at will be the same. No one will meet with universal approval. We are all absolutely desperate to get back up and no one can guarantee it. It's a gamble.
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I hate the new manager! he is crap
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I hate the new manager! he is crap
I agree, get rid ASAP. He's worse than Ads.
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I suppose it would be cheaper to sack him before he is appointed.
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I suppose it would be cheaper to sack him before he is appointed.
We should - 4 years pay off (Lerner is still in charge, right?)
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I think it is much more likely that Hull want somebody better.
shame for hull , pearsons gone to derby
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
You could argue Barton was lucky to inherit Saunders' team and that the secret to the win was in the dressing room..?
Ron gave them the team talk after he left when he said they were so well drilled a trained monkey could manage them.
same as pearsons title winning leicester team
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
You could argue Barton was lucky to inherit Saunders' team and that the secret to the win was in the dressing room..?
Ron gave them the team talk after he left when he said they were so well drilled a trained monkey could manage them.
same as pearsons title winning leicester team
Exactly the same - other than the fact one example was over a handful of games and the other was over an entire season.
In other words, not even remotely similar
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Those knocking the likes of McCarthy and Pearson need to have a wakeup call and be realistic about the position we currently find ourselves in. If we were still a top flight club then maybe we could set our sights higher, but as it stands I think we are more likely to drop another division than return to the PL. Given that I think our options are limited, and managers of their irk maybe as good as we could hope for right
Yet you're the one knocking a manager who has a record that Pearson and McCarthy won't match if they manage for the next hundred years.
To be fair, Dave, there probably won't be another manager in the next 1000 years that will match RDM's record of winning the Champion's League and FA Cup inside 2 months.
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
I can separate the humble man who'd worked for years with the group from the lucky man that sat back and let Terry and Lampard run the show, then screamed "I did it!" Like a demented 5 year old at a clearly unimpressed oligarch.
A friend of mine reminded me a couple of days ago that he knows the father of Ross Turnbull who was at Chelsea in the season when they won the Champions League. He will try and find out from his son what RDMs style of management was like when he was there. I must admit I can only vaguely recall a player called Ross Turnbull. A centre back I think. Or maybe not.
Turnbull was the goalie on the bench when they won the Champions League.
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
You could argue Barton was lucky to inherit Saunders' team and that the secret to the win was in the dressing room..?
Ron gave them the team talk after he left when he said they were so well drilled a trained monkey could manage them.
same as pearsons title winning leicester team
Do you have a shrine to the man? Is it his hair? The look in his eye? Him not condeming his son telling a Thai hooker to stick her face in his arse cheeks while he farted on her on video on a promotional tour? His throttling of an opposition player? His blatant arrogance with the media? The man is a total arsehole. You need to get over your devotion conman.
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
You could argue Barton was lucky to inherit Saunders' team and that the secret to the win was in the dressing room..?
Ron gave them the team talk after he left when he said they were so well drilled a trained monkey could manage them.
same as pearsons title winning leicester team
Do you have a shrine to the man? Is it his hair? The look in his eye? Him not condeming his son telling a Thai hooker to stick her face in his arse cheeks while he farted on her on video on a promotional tour? His throttling of an opposition player? His blatant arrogance with the media? The man is a total arsehole. You need to get over your devotion conman.
i did not know about the Thai hooker party peice, does she do children's events?
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the most recent proven people at this level are Steve Bruce, Neil Warnock and Ian Holloway. I don't imagine these lot are on H&V's most wanted list...
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and Sean Dyche - who would be my first choice, sadly, not happening.
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The thing about Pearson I don't get is he's had 5 seasons in the Championship and got promoted once and some people are talking about him like he's a nailed on success, they then spent 80% of the Premier League season being shit before pulling off a Wigan. I don't see it, I must be blind.
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I'm with you on that, for about 30 games during 14/15 Leicester were absolutely Blues. We even beat them at home twice that season.
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I think a lot of people tie what happened this season into their good run last season and give him some credit for Leicester's success.
I don't personally, but there you go.
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Why are people still banging on about Pearson,
He's gone to Derby
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Let's just get Martin O'Neill back..
*grabs the Popcorn.
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I'd have liked us to approach Hughton or Warburton but I am warming to the idea of RDM, mostly due to how well he did with Albion.
Not too worried about missing out on Pearson who hardly set the world on fire at other clubs and is a bit unlikable. Not too bothered about Moyes either, although he has the right profile I just find him a bit taciturn.
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Why are people still banging on about Pearson,
He's gone to Derby
Apparently we (and presumably every other team in the Championship) are doomed to relegation without him.
That means the final league table for next season is going to be Derby winning the thing by a clear 60+ points and then a 23 way relegation battle at the bottom.
Exciting times!
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Anyone writing off Di Matteo's Champions League win as nothing to do with him must have a rather low opinion of Tony Barton.
I can separate the humble man who'd worked for years with the group from the lucky man that sat back and let Terry and Lampard run the show, then screamed "I did it!" Like a demented 5 year old at a clearly unimpressed oligarch.
A friend of mine reminded me a couple of days ago that he knows the father of Ross Turnbull who was at Chelsea in the season when they won the Champions League. He will try and find out from his son what RDMs style of management was like when he was there. I must admit I can only vaguely recall a player called Ross Turnbull. A centre back I think. Or maybe not.
You may be thinking of ´Fearless´ Fred Turnbull who played Centre Half for the Villa from 1966 to 1974.................Godzvilla!
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Not that I want him but Pearson is not Derby manager yet is he? Would have liked Moyes but if it's RDM then let's get him in so he can start to sort things out
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I'm trying to be positive, about the whole thing , but how come we aint got A top manager if the deal has gone through and theres a shed load of money to take ud straight back up??
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I'm trying to be positive, about the whole thing , but how come we aint got A top manager if the deal has gone through and theres a shed load of money to take ud straight back up??
I'm not trying to be confrontational but who outside of the PL would you suggest? The pool is not that big as far as I can see...
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Those knocking the likes of McCarthy and Pearson need to have a wakeup call and be realistic about the position we currently find ourselves in. If we were still a top flight club then maybe we could set our sights higher, but as it stands I think we are more likely to drop another division than return to the PL. Given that I think our options are limited, and managers of their irk maybe as good as we could hope for right
Yet you're the one knocking a manager who has a record that Pearson and McCarthy won't match if they manage for the next hundred years.
To be fair, Dave, there probably won't be another manager in the next 1000 years that will match RDM's record of winning the Champion's League and FA Cup inside 2 months.
I agree. Yet apparently this is something that should be disregarded for some people for some reason.
Or that it was only because John Terry was allowed to do the team talks for a couple of months. Because that's all it takes to win a European Cup.
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Didn't take Derby long to sort their manager. Villa have messed around for weeks on the manager appointment. If it's RDM, why is it taking so long? Disappointed that Pearson has moved to Derby while Villa continue to dither as usual.
It's all relative, they got rid of Paul Clement in February if I remember right.
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Those knocking the likes of McCarthy and Pearson need to have a wakeup call and be realistic about the position we currently find ourselves in. If we were still a top flight club then maybe we could set our sights higher, but as it stands I think we are more likely to drop another division than return to the PL. Given that I think our options are limited, and managers of their irk maybe as good as we could hope for right
Yet you're the one knocking a manager who has a record that Pearson and McCarthy won't match if they manage for the next hundred years.
To be fair, Dave, there probably won't be another manager in the next 1000 years that will match RDM's record of winning the Champion's League and FA Cup inside 2 months.
I agree. Yet apparently this is something that should be disregarded for some people for some reason.
Or that it was only because John Terry was allowed to do the team talks for a couple of months. Because that's all it takes to win a European Cup.
Indeed. And Tony Barton received calls from Ron Saunders every game at 1.45pm to pick the team and give the team talk.
I prefer the wise words of Ashtonvilla, "I am warming to the idea of RDM, mostly due to how well he did with Albion".
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Just remember the like of Pearson, Bruce, Moyes, and co have won feck all, Di Matteo have won promotion, Champions League and FA Cup. If this is all he will win for Aston Villa in next 5 years I will take it. Then I might forgive him for scoring in that FA Cup final.
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Very good Salsa😁.
Having tried to give it a little unresearched thought, I'm left with the thought that Pearson might just be this decade's Phil Brown.
Bit of a bully.
Tries to in indulge in sub-Fergie mind games with the authorities and press.
Has done alright in the lower divisions.
Survival in in his one top flight season attained on the back of a 6 week golden streak. (albeit under the pressure of the end of season run in instead of the start of the season.)
I guess it depends on your point of view whether he'd have got Leicester relegated/mid table/won the league last season.
This coming season will tell us more. I'd have accepted him as manager, but I ain't crying because he's at a potential promotion rival.
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Then I might forgive him for scoring in that FA Cup final.
Never!!!!
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Then I might forgive him for scoring in that FA Cup final.
Never!!!!
If he wins us an FA Cup then I would forgive him literally anything.
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Just remember the like of Pearson, Bruce, Moyes, and co have won feck all, Di Matteo have won promotion, Champions League and C. If this is all he will win for Aston Villa in next 5 years I will take it. Then I might forgive him for scoring in that FA Cup final.
But he won the FA Cup as a player did he not? Don't remember him winning it as a manager? I take your point that its more top class experience, but you can't really compare managing with playing, the likes of Sir Alex, Wenger, and Jose had very unremarkable playing careers don't forget. And Pearson and Bruce also won promotion, more than once in the case of Bruce.
Anyway, I'm willing to give RDM a chance, he's got a pretty strong CV, and decent experience, we should play a much better brand of football under him also. We are limited of other good options now anyway, but we need him in soon, otherwise our progress will fall behind the others.
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Di Matteo won the FA as a manager as well.
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Just remember the like of Pearson, Bruce, Moyes, and co have won feck all, Di Matteo have won promotion, Champions League and C. If this is all he will win for Aston Villa in next 5 years I will take it. Then I might forgive him for scoring in that FA Cup final.
But he won the FA Cup as a player did he not? Don't remember him winning it as a manager?
He still did though.
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Just remember the like of Pearson, Bruce, Moyes, and co have won feck all, Di Matteo have won promotion, Champions League and FA Cup. If this is all he will win for Aston Villa in next 5 years I will take it. Then I might forgive him for scoring in that FA Cup final.
nice post SPA- very good.
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Under Di Matteo Chelsea beat the rags 2-0, Leicester 5-2, Tottenham 5-1 and Liverpool 2-1 in the Final.
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Under Di Matteo Chelsea beat the rags 2-0, Leicester 5-2, Tottenham 5-1 and Liverpool 2-1 in the Final.
Thanks.
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Under Di Matteo Chelsea beat the rags 2-0, Leicester 5-2, Tottenham 5-1 and Liverpool 2-1 in the Final.
And taking over a Chelsea team mid-season must be a horrible job because inevitably, the reason you are doing so is because the dressing room has become completely poisonous. To win the FA Cup and Champions League off the back of that is remarkable frankly.
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Under Di Matteo Chelsea beat the rags 2-0, Leicester 5-2, Tottenham 5-1 and Liverpool 2-1 in the Final.
Had to overturn a 3-1 deficit to a quality Napoli side and beat Benfica over two legs before the bus parking specials as well, so it was far more than just sitting aside and letting the old guard do whatever they wanted, as has been suggested by a few.
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I hope he's better with us than he was at Schalke. After getting off to a good start, he ended the season with 2 wins in 10.
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Exactly it's all just nit picking to try and make out we are appointing another dud. Bullshit like Mowbray had primed West Brom for success and just couldn't put the final touches on it? What? They'd just been relegated, they were shite, Di Matteo brought them straight back up, no one thinks of Mowbrays team as unlucky to go down, they were crap and rightfully sank.
Di Matteo might turn out to be a failure here but calling everything he's done so far at other clubs as lucky or taking over other peoples teams (failing teams might I add) is disingenuous.
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I hope he's better with us than he was at Schalke. After getting off to a good start, he ended the season with 2 wins in 10.
General manager Heidt, who insists reports claiming the boss had been sacked were 'completely untrue' paid tribute to Di Matteo and his handling of a 'difficult situation' in Gelsenkirchen.
'Roberto had a clear vision of the club's future. When it became obvious that we had different views on the future of the club he always had the best interests of the club in mind regarding potential solutions.
'Roberto Di Matteo took over in October 2014 with the club in 11th place. The situation was more difficult than outsiders could imagine. We had a lot of serious injuries and other problems.
'Thanks to Roberto's work we found winning ways again. In the Champions League we qualified for the round of the 16 and in defeating Real Madrid 4-3 at the Bernabeu nearly kicked the holders out of the competition. At the start of February we climbed to third in the Bundesliga. But after that we had a bad run that we couldn't really stop until the end of the season.'
As always, from the outside things aren't as clear. He took over when they were 11th and they finished 6th, not a huge success but It would be harsh to call it a failure.
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I hope he's better with us than he was at Schalke. After getting off to a good start, he ended the season with 2 wins in 10.
I'm pretty sure you could make any manager look good or bad if you only selected a small number of matches to suit your argument.
On a ten game spell from 3rd March last year, Villa won seven and drew one of ten games.
We should get Sherwood back, he's fantastic.
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Started when they were in 11th spot, they finished 6th. I think that's a bloody great result! Ask Mr Klopp if he'd accept that with Liverpool, or any other manager for that matter.
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I'd like RDM to be hired now, so we can start looking forward.
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Exactly it's all just nit picking to try and make out we are appointing another dud. Bullshit like Mowbray had primed West Brom for success and just couldn't put the final touches on it? What? They'd just been relegated, they were shite, Di Matteo brought them straight back up, no one thinks of Mowbrays team as unlucky to go down, they were crap and rightfully sank.
Di Matteo might turn out to be a failure here but calling everything he's done so far at other clubs as lucky or taking over other peoples teams (failing teams might I add) is disingenuous.
If there's still time before the men in the white coats come to take you away, go back a few pages and read where I compliment him on the season he had at Albion in the Championship. You may also want to read where I mentioned he was PL Manager of the Month in September. Whilst you're at it, read the post on here from a Baggie that pretty much summed up my thoughts based on what I've read?
My comment on his time at Schalke is more than fair. Two wins in ten is a statistic that should raise more than your eyebrows. They missed out on Champions League football due to losing against a struggling Hamburg side on the last game of the season. As I've already mentioned, I like Di Matteo but that doesn't mean I want to blow him.
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Any sign of us getting a manager soon? Don't get much Villa mood music up here in Aberdeenshire.
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I think its simply a cost cutting measure not to appoint a manager .............
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I think its simply a cost cutting measure not to appoint a manager .............
Or maybe not.........
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I think its simply a cost cutting measure not to appoint a manager .............
Is that for real or an ironic pisstake of people worrying too much?
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I don't care who the new manager is so long as it is not Eric Black. All I want is to see a Villa team without Guzan, Agbonlahor, Richardson, Bacuna, Richards or Lescott in it or on the bench. Now, where's my aphid spray?
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I don't care who the new manager is so long as it is not Eric Black. All I want is to see a Villa team without Guzan, Agbonlahor, Richardson, Bacuna, Richards or Lescott in it or on the bench. Now, where's my aphid spray?
That should be the blueprint from which Roberto works. Great post Brian.
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I don't care who the new manager is so long as it is not Eric Black. All I want is to see a Villa team without Guzan, Agbonlahor, Richardson, Bacuna, Richards or Lescott in it or on the bench. Now, where's my aphid spray?
I just hope they're easier to get rid of than aphids, Brian.
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Well Richardson's out of contact so, barring any crazy contract extension, that's him gone. Same goes for N'Zogbia too. So there's the starting point.
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As soon as Xia assumes control he is going to flash a huge wad of money at our new manager....
Diego Simeone!!
and then give him even more....and more.
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Exactly it's all just nit picking to try and make out we are appointing another dud. Bullshit like Mowbray had primed West Brom for success and just couldn't put the final touches on it? What? They'd just been relegated, they were shite, Di Matteo brought them straight back up, no one thinks of Mowbrays team as unlucky to go down, they were crap and rightfully sank.
Di Matteo might turn out to be a failure here but calling everything he's done so far at other clubs as lucky or taking over other peoples teams (failing teams might I add) is disingenuous.
If there's still time before the men in the white coats come to take you away, go back a few pages and read where I compliment him on the season he had at Albion in the Championship. You may also want to read where I mentioned he was PL Manager of the Month in September. Whilst you're at it, read the post on here from a Baggie that pretty much summed up my thoughts based on what I've read?
My comment on his time at Schalke is more than fair. Two wins in ten is a statistic that should raise more than your eyebrows. They missed out on Champions League football due to losing against a struggling Hamburg side on the last game of the season. As I've already mentioned, I like Di Matteo but that doesn't mean I want to blow him.
I never mentioned your points in particular because I wasn't posting about you specifically, just some general comments I've heard during the last week.
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I think what his drop in performance at West Brom and Schalke shows is that once he feels there's nothing left for him at a club (west brom he clearly wanted out and Schalke there's plenty of rumours of disagreements over the support he'd have got in the summer, I'm fairly sure even the club have said as much) he struggles to not let translate to the players. It's something to be wary of but if Xia is everything he says he is then it won't be a problem for the next 2 years and after that I'd hope we'd be shopping in a new market for his replacement.
For me that's the only legitimate concern, most of the rest seem to be related to the fact that people don't like him and are looking for things to justify it (such as suggesting that he had no part to play in the champions league win or that Mowbray left him a side destined to be promoted).
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Pellegrini is looking for an "interesting" offer. Sounds like a come and get me plea to me.
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The Mowbray squad is something often mentioned by the Baggie fans. Of course he had to get that squad working and he did, with some style, something else that's frequently commented on.
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The Mowbray squad is something often mentioned by the Baggie fans. Of course he had to get that squad working and he did, with some style, something else that's frequently commented on.
Well also Mowbray did get West Brom promoted so I really don't see the black mark against him. Yeah they were a bit dire when they came up, but then its always a big step up for some. I thought he did a good job there as did RDM.
Pellegrini is looking for an "interesting" offer. Sounds like a come and get me plea to me.
I'd take Pellegrini in a shot, but it arn't going to happen.
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I don't care who the new manager is so long as it is not Eric Black. All I want is to see a Villa team without Guzan, Agbonlahor, Richardson, Bacuna, Richards or Lescott in it or on the bench. Now, where's my aphid spray?
That should be the blueprint from which Roberto works. Great post Brian.
spot on.
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I don't think the Italian one would have the staying power for the Villa. More in tune with Moyes and even his refusal should be seen as a spurring point for the board to do everything possible to bring me to Villa Park. 7
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the most recent proven people at this level are Steve Bruce, Neil Warnock and Ian Holloway. I don't imagine these lot are on H&V's most wanted list...
mick mcarthys on mine
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Pellegrini is looking for an "interesting" offer. Sounds like a come and get me plea to me.
to Duncan norvelle
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The Mowbray squad is something often mentioned by the Baggie fans. Of course he had to get that squad working and he did, with some style, something else that's frequently commented on.
Well also Mowbray did get West Brom promoted so I really don't see the black mark against him. Yeah they were a bit dire when they came up, but then its always a big step up for some. I thought he did a good job there as did RDM.
Pellegrini is looking for an "interesting" offer. Sounds like a come and get me plea to me.
I'd take Pellegrini in a shot, but it arn't going to happen.
I'd bite your hand off. Class act. The fact that he looks like Sam the eagle from the muppets only makes me like him more. A left field appointment like that (someone of that calibre) would show major intent, sadly though I agree with GB.
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Class act except when he lied about us practically forcing Delph out the door.
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Class act except when he lied about us practically forcing Delph out the door.
Fair point. I'd forgotten about that, but following the behind the scenes shambles from Lerner down it wouldn't surprise me if there was any truth or half truth in the matter. I think we've been lied to for a long time under his ownership and I haven't taken anything that came out of the club as gospel for many moons. Not that I'll ever forgive Delph lol That example a side though I thought he handled himself extremely well under lots of pressure and scrutiny at Man City, they played decent football, he advanced them in Europe etc.
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Class act except when he lied about us practically forcing Delph out the door.
Fair point. I'd forgotten about that, but following the behind the scenes shambles from Lerner down it wouldn't surprise me if there was any truth or half truth in the matter. I think we've been lied to for a long time under his ownership and I haven't taken anything that came out of the club as gospel for many moons. Not that I'll ever forgive Delph lol That example a side though I thought he handled himself extremely well under lots of pressure and scrutiny at Man City, they played decent football, he advanced them in Europe etc.
Whether or not we've been lied to by ownership has no relevance to this particular issue: all you have to look at is how utterly inconceivable it is for a club to force out one of its best players while in the midst of spending 50+ million pounds on new players.
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yes, as inconceivable as Pellegrini becoming manager.
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Think Pellegrini will take the Everton job myself.
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If you think Pellegrini would come here you need to out the Whisky down and start living in 2016, not the mid 90's
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I don't want Pellergrini, I can't understand a word he says.
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that's the bit about him I do like.
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Steve Evans is available!
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Only we can take so long to appoint a manager .........
Any takeover should not be holding it up as all parties can talk to each other
Sorry but its a shambles .....
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Only we can take so long to appoint a manager .........
Any takeover should not be holding it up as all parties can talk to each other
Sorry but its a shambles .....
Calm down. It's not even June until tomorrow.
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Little, Gregory and Evans will do for me.
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Calm down, Leicester_Villian, it's hardly a shambles. I won't start panicking until the 1st of June.
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Calm down, Leicester_Villian, it's hardly a shambles. I won't start panicking until the 1st of June.
Are you taking 2016 or 2017 .........
No manager ...... no pre season .......... no date to return to training ........... no new kit ........... no board .............
Isn't life great being a Villa fan
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Calm down, Leicester_Villian, it's hardly a shambles. I won't start panicking until the 1st of June.
Are you taking 2016 or 2017 .........
No manager ...... no pre season .......... no date to return to training ........... no new kit ........... no board .............
Isn't life great being a Villa fan
No pre-season?! Mate, it's still last season!
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Only we can take so long to appoint a manager .........
Any takeover should not be holding it up as all parties can talk to each other
Sorry but its a shambles .....
No, it's a hysterical over-reaction, but you're close.
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Only we can take so long to appoint a manager .........
Any takeover should not be holding it up as all parties can talk to each other
Sorry but its a shambles .....
Which parties? What's the hold up?
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Calm down, Leicester_Villian, it's hardly a shambles. I won't start panicking until the 1st of June.
Are you taking 2016 or 2017 .........
No manager ...... no pre season .......... no date to return to training ........... no new kit ........... no board .............
Isn't life great being a Villa fan
No pre-season?! Mate, it's still last season!
Excellent!!
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What you worried about, we have no chance without Pearson anyway, so why stress.
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What you worried about, we have no chance without Pearson anyway, so why stress.
Fuck Pearson, I'm more worried about our new kit.
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Calm down, Leicester_Villian, it's hardly a shambles. I won't start panicking until the 1st of June.
Are you taking 2016 or 2017 .........
No manager ...... no pre season .......... no date to return to training ........... no new kit ........... no board .............
Isn't life great being a Villa fan
We have no Board because we can't get the current one in until it has been approved by the Football League. That can't happen until we are technically a Football League club.
All the other things you've whinged about will follow once the Board is in place.
I've asked you before to explain how the Football League's rules are Villa's fault.
Whenever you're ready.
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You're wait may be nearly over Leicester_Villain
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/7186676/Roberto-Di-Matteo-is-the-new-Aston-Villa-manager-on-a-35000-a-week-contract.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-SunAstonVilla-_-20160531-_-Football-_-480380984-_-Imageandlink
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Sounds about a done deal....
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/7186676/Roberto-Di-Matteo-is-the-new-Aston-Villa-manager-on-a-35000-a-week-contract.html?CMP=spklr-_-Editorial-_-TWITTER-_-TheSunFootball-_-20160531-_-Football-_-480380804-_-Imageandlink
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Can we please not link to the Sun? Thank you.
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That is the inly site that has ever crashed my phone.
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My guess is a press conference has been called for Thursday.
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The Scum
ROBERTO DI MATTEO is the new manager of Aston Villa and expects to be behind his desk within 48 hours.
SunSport can reveal the 45-year-old Italian has been notified the job of returning Villa to past glories is his, following a positive meeting with Villa chairman Steve Hollis last Thursday.
Hollis was "bowled over" by Di Matteo after meeting the former Chelsea and Italy midfielder for the first time and moved swiftly over the weekend to finalise the finer details of Di Matteo’s £35,000-a week contract.
Those negotiations are expected to conclude within 48 hours after Di Matteo’s blueprint for the future delighted Villa’s new owner in waiting Tony Xia.
He personally pushed for the Italian after being impressed by his pedigree, which peaked when Di Matteo led Chelsea to Champions League glory four years ago.
Aston Villa’s board, led by Hollis, had originally singled out Nigel Pearson for the job – while David Moyes was also spoken to, after Villa whittled down an initial list of more than 50 candidates.
But once he had met Di Matteo and heard his far-reaching plans Hollis was convinced Villa had their man – and significantly, Pearson accepted the Derby County job the following day.
Di Matteo is so keen to get started, Xia has given the move his blessing BEFORE he has officially been passed as a ‘fit and proper director/owner’ by the Premier League and Football League.
The Chinese multi-millionaire is currently awaiting the green light to assume control from Randy Lerner officially after agreeing a £76million takeover deal, rising to more than £100m to buy out the Midlands giants.
In a perfect world Xia would have been in charge when Di Matteo’s appointment was officially announced but the new man stressed his desire to start moving on new signing targets - and sorting out a structured and detailed pre-season straight away.
The former MK Dons, West Brom, Chelsea and Schalke manager intends to hit the ground running in the next 48 hours and sources close to the former Di Matteo say he can’t wait to get started and expects to be "behind his desk at Bodymoor Heath before the weekend."
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Calm down, Leicester_Villian, it's hardly a shambles. I won't start panicking until the 1st of June.
Are you taking 2016 or 2017 .........
No manager ...... no pre season .......... no date to return to training ........... no new kit ........... no board .............
Isn't life great being a Villa fan
No Manager - Is obviously waiting on the formal confirmation of the takeover.
No Pre season - last season we started on 6th July, 4½ weeks before the opening day false dawn at Bournemouth on 8th August.
This season starts on August 6th, so 4th July won't be too far off. In terms of an actual friendlies programme, presumably we'd prefer that the manager actually has some say in it?
Will it really be the end of the world if there's not a trip to Portugal or Germany as part of the programme? Do you really believe that no provisional fixtures have been set up?
How many other clubs, other than Man Utd and Chelsea milking the US and Asian markets with a 2 week tour have announced anything yet? (I'm guessing at Man Utd and Chelsea because it's what they usually do and I can't be arsed to look, feel free to look yourself)
No new kit. That will have been put to bed ages ago. I'd imagine that any announcement might be postponed to get maximum exposure for whoever (allegedly Under Armour) by tying it in around the formal completion of the takeover / appointment of the new manager.
No Board? See comments about takeover on takeover thread. Ther can be no formal announcement until 2nd June and when we officially fall under Football League jurisidiction.
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If he's in now then at least we have a manager who knows how to get up at first ask.
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Collymore calling it too.
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Collymore calling it too.
He always 'calls' things once he's read them in The Sun.
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I'll gladly take RDM. Now hopefully he can set about clearing the poison out of the squad.
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Collymore calling it too.
He always 'calls' things once he's read them in The Sun.
Ha! Well it's not like he can turn to the Birmingham Mail, it seems it's not just H&V that are blanking them. Somebody at the club has obviously seen their true value.
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Collymore calling it too.
He always 'calls' things once he's read them in The Sun.
He just congratulated him on getting the job that's all.
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I'll gladly take RDM. Now hopefully he can set about clearing the poison out of the squad.
Yep. There's a hell of a lot of work to be done.
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I'll gladly take RDM. Now hopefully he can set about clearing the poison out of the squad.
Yep. There's a hell of a lot of work to be done.
Confidence and belief is all 70% of our players need, that was Pearsons legacy to Leicester.
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Not my first choice (or even 2nd, 3rd or 4th ad infinitum) but you have my unwavering support Roberto. I just hope you show the bollocks the others haven't. UTV
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Not good enough.
If he is not in place by 12am on June 1st we will have been lied to again and will probably go out of business.
And BTW:
SunSport can reveal the 45-year-old Italian has been notified the job of returning Villa to past glories is his, following a positive meeting with Villa chairman Steve Hollis last Thursday.
Is Smegg Evans scribbling for the Sun now?
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Rather glad that we have a manager, that he has his first choice of coach in place and that it is RDM, who has a bit of a spark about him.
Good luck, RDM. You'll need it!
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I'll gladly take RDM. Now hopefully he can set about clearing the poison out of the squad.
Yep. There's a hell of a lot of work to be done.
Confidence and belief is all 70% of our players need, that was Pearsons legacy to Leicester.
Incredible really considering he was sacked the night he throttled James McArthur that they went on that run. I genuinely think the shit storm he created and the backs to the wall feeling there, which would be very tough to replicate, was the reason for the results. I think they did play with that confidence coming into this, but a couple of games coming from 2 down early in the season was much, much more important. We gave our result to them, and the other I don't recall, but Ranieiri played a blinder with Kante and Ozaki(sp) and setting them up to purely counter. I don't think has Pearson still been there they would have been much more than mid table at best.
Interesting group of managers that did the pro license in 2010 with Di Matteo. Adkins, Dyche, Eddie Newton, Poyet, Steve Staunton. But then also, Tony Parks. Is that our keeper coach Tony Parks I wonder?
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Was he not sacked after the season ended? Because of his son? McArthur always strikes me as a twat anyway.
He definitely instilled something there though.
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Was he not sacked after the season ended? Because of his son? McArthur always strikes me as a twat anyway.
He definitely instilled something there though.
He was sacked and reinstated within 48 hours (maybe even 24 hours) for the incident ozzjim described, then sacked again at the end of the season for the end of season tour, of which the incident with his son was just the most widely publicised / infamous if I recall, although may be getting various obnoxious / distasteful / downright disgusting behaviours of professional footballers confused and it was just the incident with his son.
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I don't like Pearson, but surely if they sacked him because of the behaviour of a relative, he could've sued them?
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I'll gladly take RDM. Now hopefully he can set about clearing the poison out of the squad.
Yep. There's a hell of a lot of work to be done.
Confidence and belief is all 70% of our players need, that was Pearsons legacy to Leicester.
Incredible really considering he was sacked the night he throttled James McArthur that they went on that run. I genuinely think the shit storm he created and the backs to the wall feeling there, which would be very tough to replicate, was the reason for the results. I think they did play with that confidence coming into this, but a couple of games coming from 2 down early in the season was much, much more important. We gave our result to them, and the other I don't recall, but Ranieiri played a blinder with Kante and Ozaki(sp) and setting them up to purely counter. I don't think has Pearson still been there they would have been much more than mid table at best.
Interesting group of managers that did the pro license in 2010 with Di Matteo. Adkins, Dyche, Eddie Newton, Poyet, Steve Staunton. But then also, Tony Parks. Is that our keeper coach Tony Parks I wonder?
I think you're probably right. It was either total backs to the wall all in this together, or a "what have we got to lose, it can't get any worse" attitude, but I doubt we'll ever see a club in their situation going into that game then go on the run they managed in the following 15 months.
From fighting with QPR to see who could be the absolute shitest in the class of 14/15 to staying up comfortably to league champions. Be interesting to see what happens when they inevtiably start to return to their normal placings over the next 12-18 months and how they cope with the CL matches.
At least they've got a manger who knows what he's doing there and what kind of discipline in the training regimes works.
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I don't like Pearson, but surely if they sacked him because of the behaviour of a relative, he could've sued them?
He was in charge of the tour which was official club business. His responsibilty to oversee what was going on.
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I don't like Pearson, but surely if they sacked him because of the behaviour of a relative, he could've sued them?
Over 3 of the players he was managing videoing a night of being as degrading as they could to some prostitutes from the country they were on a promotional tour of? How would he keep his job after that?
He was in charge of the tour which was official club business. His responsibilty to oversee what was going on.
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Is RDM the first manager to have hi salary expressed as a weekly figure, like players, rather than per annum?
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I don't like Pearson, but surely if they sacked him because of the behaviour of a relative, he could've sued them?
He was in charge of the tour which was official club business. His responsibilty to oversee what was going on.
I don't know if he could be expected to watch his players at all times. Would he even have been there? Weren't they reserve/youth players? I don't remember any big names being implicated. May be wrong.
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His son, and 2 other U21 players that were there.
He is the manager. What the players do comes to his door. If one of them is his son, who he has employed, then it makes it worse.
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Two champions league winning managers now plying their trade in the championship, going to be interesting season I reckon.
Happy with Di Matteo he'll be well respected by the players one would hope, massive job to turn us around and I think he will, welcome and good luck RDM..
Glad it's sorted, onward and upward, UTV!!!
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My memory was that Pearson left Leicester in one of those mutual decisions where no-one knows whether he was pushed or jumped.
I thought he was strongly against his son's sacking and - presumably - the conversations which took place on that topic made his position untenable.
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My memory was that Pearson left Leicester in one of those mutual decisions where no-one knows whether he was pushed or jumped.
I thought he was strongly against his son's sacking and - presumably - the conversations which took place on that topic made his position untenable.
Pretty much everywhere reported it as him being sacked.
Their club statement says that he was "relieved of his duties "
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Woe betide he was actually sacked for footballing reasons as his team was bottom for 80% of the season.
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The Scum
ROBERTO DI MATTEO is the new manager of Aston Villa and expects to be behind his desk within 48 hours.
In a perfect world Xia would have been in charge when Di Matteo’s appointment was officially announced but the new man stressed his desire to start moving on new signing targets - and sorting out a structured and detailed pre-season straight away.
The former MK Dons, West Brom, Chelsea and Schalke manager intends to hit the ground running in the next 48 hours and sources close to the former Di Matteo say he can’t wait to get started and expects to be "behind his desk at Bodymoor Heath before the weekend."
I like the sound of that.
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It made the sports bulletin on breakfast television here this morning (TVam). Three-year contract at 1.8m per year. They could have got their info from the S*n mind.
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Sounds like Jordan Ayew might stay if Di Matteo is appointed. http://www.modernghana.com/sports/695503/jordan-ayew-to-get-former-chelsea-boss-roberto-di-matteo-as.html
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Hope this is true and welcome RDM if so. I am especially happy if he brings Newton as his #2
I do however wonder how salary details for either players or managers are known - I work in a company and no one other than HR Director and wage roll know a single persons salary details or bonus.
Lets now wait for the press conference
* Maybe Collymore is just fishing to get an "in" with him prior to taking over - he does like his namedropped "friends"
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http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11677/10300979/aston-villa-close-to-confirming-roberto-di-matteo-as-manager-say-sky-sources?
Reports earlier this morning revealed Aston Villa are close to appointing Roberto Di Matteo as Remi Garde's successor, but here's the latest from our Sky sources...
"The club's new owner Dr Tony Xia is understood to have been impressed with Di Matteo's CV and his plans for the Villa squad. Dr Xia's £76m takeover will only be concluded once he passes the Premier League's owners' and directors' test.
"Di Matteo, who stepped down at Schalke a year ago after a seven-month spell at the German club, is understood to have been at the top of Villa's wish-list ever since the takeover, with Xia looking to make a marquee appointment, which could come within 48 hours."
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If I hear one more "close to" or "in the next 48 hours" ........... its time to get the deal done. His pre-season rebuild needs maximum time
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another 48 hours...
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I get the feeling the fact it is June 1st will trigger a number of activities. Pre-season does actually exist an details released. De Matteo should be in place imminently and the Macron deal also finished yesterday I believe so the new kit can be released.
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Di Matteo is 'meh' for me. Not annoyed, not delighted. Will give him a chance and hope it's a master stroke.
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I'm not all McLeish about it, I feel similar to when we appointed Lambert. a bit Meh.
I'm used to it now.
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Di Matteo is 'meh' for me. Not annoyed, not delighted. Will give him a chance and hope it's a master stroke.
Same here. The important thing is that there is a good steady structure for him to work at at the club. If true the news about Ayew is positive.
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Xia/someone said they had set teams to plan all early on, and that they had 3 tours lined up for a new manager to pick from. We have now announced a friendly tour, so sounds like the pieces fit.
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I don't want Pellergrini, I can't understand a word he says.
I would just take him for the fact that he looks like David Cronenberg to be honest!
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I'm not all McLeish about it, I feel similar to when we appointed Lambert. a bit Meh.
I'm used to it now.
Realistically, who would we get with a better CV?
Promoted from the Championship and won Champions League.
That's really not too shabby.
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Sounds like Jordan Ayew might stay if Di Matteo is appointed. http://www.modernghana.com/sports/695503/jordan-ayew-to-get-former-chelsea-boss-roberto-di-matteo-as.html
It doesn't really say that. It just says that if he doesn't leave then Di Matteo will be his manager.
They're just reporting the news of Villa's potential new manager through the context of being more interested in the player rather than the club, rather than saying anything about Ayew's thoughts.
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Is RDM the first manager to have hi salary expressed as a weekly figure, like players, rather than per annum?
I would like to see it expressed as pounds/pence per minute, in the manner of Spanish car parks where you are told that 6 Hours parking is, say, €0,050921 per minute.
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Get behind the desk to get on with sorting pre-season and start signing players? Yup, I like the sound of that!
I am keen to know who he's bringing in with him as his backroom staff.
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Get behind the desk to get on with sorting pre-season and start signing players? Yup, I like the sound of that!
I am keen to know who he's bringing in with him as his backroom staff.
Assuming it is Di Matteo is he likely to be looking abroad for cheap options or will Xia provide a war chest as reported? This month will be very interesting.
He will have a lot of things to sort out in the short term and he will have to make decisions very quickly .I hope he gets most of them right.
At least we will have got rid of N'Zogbia and Richardson by the end of June. Richards may go somewhere else as well.
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What I fail to comprehend is how can we take anyone on as manager until Xia and his people have been passed as fit and proper custodians of the club. If Samuelson is involved
In any way they cannot be.
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Get behind the desk to get on with sorting pre-season and start signing players? Yup, I like the sound of that!
I am keen to know who he's bringing in with him as his backroom staff.
Usually it's Eddie Newton. I've heard it may be Ray Wilkins too. FFS.
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A new poster on VT reckons Kevin Bond and Steve Clarke will be his backroom staff....
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A new poster on VT reckons Kevin Bond and Steve Clarke will be his backroom staff....
Kevin Bond? surely not.
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Di Matteo is 'meh' for me. Not annoyed, not delighted. Will give him a chance and hope it's a master stroke.
this
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A new poster on VT reckons Kevin Bond and Steve Clarke will be his backroom staff....
Clarke is an excellent coach, likely to be a number two though? Bond? Interesting call as he normally works with old Harry. Newton would be good too.
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A new poster on VT reckons Kevin Bond and Steve Clarke will be his backroom staff....
What? You mean decent coaches?
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A new poster on VT reckons Kevin Bond and Steve Clarke will be his backroom staff....
Clarke is an excellent coach, likely to be a number two though? Bond? Interesting call as he normally works with old Harry. Newton would be good too.
Those 3 and a replacement for Parks (who has to go given our keepers have gone backwards since he joined) would be a good start, then just need a couple of fitness and conditioning coaches and I'd think we had a reasonably professional structure in place for the first time.
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Being reported Steve Bruce is considering his future in the next 10 days
Jesustittyfuckjngchrist noooooooooooooooo
They wouldn't would they :o
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Bruce would be fine for this league, wastes too much money in the premier league though.
It will be RDM, all the press are reporting it which means it's imminent. A bit like when rumours started that Garde was going to be sacked and a few days later it happened.
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A new poster on VT reckons Kevin Bond and Steve Clarke will be his backroom staff....
What? You mean decent coaches?
Looks like Di Matteo reads this place and takes smart advise..
What are the chances of a di Matteo and Steve Clarke combo?
I'll save the blushes of the few (Hi Dave!) who dismissed the idea. ;)
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Should bring in eidur godjensen as atracking striker.
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Should bring in eidur godjensen as atracking striker.
I'm not sure about these new-fangled attacking strikers. I pine for Emile.
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Do you mean 37 year old eidur gudjonsen who is in semi-retirement in the Norwegian leagues and doing nothing of note against conference standard opposition?
Fair play you've managed to give a worse suggestion than Altidore which is damn impressive.
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Should bring in eidur godjensen as atracking striker.
I'm not sure about these new-fangled attacking strikers. I pine for Emile.
So do I.
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Do you mean 37 year old eidur gudjonsen who is in semi-retirement in the Norwegian leagues and doing nothing of note against conference standard opposition?
Fair play you've managed to give a worse suggestion than Altidore which is damn impressive.
Genius
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Should bring in eidur godjensen as atracking striker.
I'm not sure about these new-fangled attacking strikers. I pine for Emile.
I think you'll find it's 'atracking', which I'm guessing means he doesn't track back. Not surprising given that he's as old as the Norse Eddas.
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Don't know what to make of Di Matteo becoming boss. He fluked a Champion's League with someone elses team but hasn't done a great deal else of note. Did OK in the Championship with the Baggies I suppose but I'm struggling to work up much enthusiasm, but that goes for football in general.
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Should bring in eidur godjensen as atracking striker.
I'm not sure about these new-fangled attacking strikers. I pine for Emile.
I think you'll find it's 'atracking', which I'm guessing means he doesn't track back. Not surprising given that he's as old as the Norse Eddas.
Oh, sure. The Norse Edda won't fit your tiki-taka playbook if you're employing some Carlos Coachalotti to try and win you the Europa Pot, but given where we are in the dog-eat-dog world of the Championship then I'd rather have Sigurður Fáfnisbani digging me out of a hole, 1-0 down at Ashton Gate on an icy Tuesday than any fancy fucker like Gary Penrice.
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Don't know what to make of Di Matteo becoming boss. He fluked a Champion's League with someone elses team but hasn't done a great deal else of note. Did OK in the Championship with the Baggies I suppose but I'm struggling to work up much enthusiasm, but that goes for football in general.
I'm not sure that you can fluke a European Cup win. Especially if you have to beat Napoli, Benfica, Barcelona and Bayern en route.
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Sigurður Fáfnisbani moved to the Bundesliga in 1876 though, and has been doing quite well in German ever since. Runs Rings around the opposition. Plays on the right-wing for SpVgg Bayreuth. Never stops running - actually, just never stops.
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Sigurður Fáfnisbani moved to the Bundesliga in 1876 though, and has been doing quite well in German ever since. Runs Rings around the opposition. Plays on the right-wing for SpVgg Bayreuth. Never stops running - actually, just never stops.
You can prove anything with facts.
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Don't know what to make of Di Matteo becoming boss. He fluked a Champion's League with someone elses team but hasn't done a great deal else of note. Did OK in the Championship with the Baggies I suppose but I'm struggling to work up much enthusiasm, but that goes for football in general.
I'm not sure that you can fluke a European Cup win. Especially if you have to beat Napoli, Benfica, Barcelona and Bayern en route.
They did it by packing all 11 behind the ball and hoping for the best. There was no great tactical masterplan beyond that.
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I am losing track of what is irony and what is being posted seriously at this point.
Usual off season then :)
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Right so this is happening today then?? Robbie D-I-MATT-E-O, Robbie D-I-MA......etc (to the tune of D.I.S.C.O) good luck getting that one out of your head...
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Right so this is happening today then?? Robbie D-I-MATT-E-O, Robbie D-I-MA......etc (to the tune of D.I.S.C.O) good luck getting that one out of your head...
He's D - delirious.....
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He is I....Italian?
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Are we getting a touch of the "Hendersons"here??
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Don't know what to make of Di Matteo becoming boss. He fluked a Champion's League with someone elses team but hasn't done a great deal else of note. Did OK in the Championship with the Baggies I suppose but I'm struggling to work up much enthusiasm, but that goes for football in general.
I'm not sure that you can fluke a European Cup win. Especially if you have to beat Napoli, Benfica, Barcelona and Bayern en route.
They did it by packing all 11 behind the ball and hoping for the best. There was no great tactical masterplan beyond that.
They only did that against Barcelona and Bayern, and packing 11 behind the ball in a way that avoids conceding a lot isn't actually as easy as it sounds, which should be apparent given some of our past efforts at that strategy. But before that, they beat Napoli and Benfica, two good teams miles and miles ahead of any Championship teams, with what you might regard as a perfectly standard approach.
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It's being 'reported' RDM will get a £2m bonus if he gets us promoted.
If he can do it one season, he will be worthy of every penny!
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Don't know what to make of Di Matteo becoming boss. He fluked a Champion's League with someone elses team but hasn't done a great deal else of note. Did OK in the Championship with the Baggies I suppose but I'm struggling to work up much enthusiasm, but that goes for football in general.
I'm not sure that you can fluke a European Cup win. Especially if you have to beat Napoli, Benfica, Barcelona and Bayern en route.
They did it by packing all 11 behind the ball and hoping for the best. There was no great tactical masterplan beyond that.
Or he worked out that his team wasn't going to be able to win by going all out attack, which his previous teams had done, and adjusted his tactics accordingly.
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Don't know what to make of Di Matteo becoming boss. He fluked a Champion's League with someone elses team but hasn't done a great deal else of note. Did OK in the Championship with the Baggies I suppose but I'm struggling to work up much enthusiasm, but that goes for football in general.
I'm not sure that you can fluke a European Cup win. Especially if you have to beat Napoli, Benfica, Barcelona and Bayern en route.
They did it by packing all 11 behind the ball and hoping for the best. There was no great tactical masterplan beyond that.
Or he worked out that his team wasn't going to be able to win by going all out attack, which his previous teams had done, and adjusted his tactics accordingly.
Did Tony Barton fluke our European Cup win?
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
How dare he!
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
Tis the Villa way
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Don't know what to make of Di Matteo becoming boss. He fluked a Champion's League with someone elses team but hasn't done a great deal else of note. Did OK in the Championship with the Baggies I suppose but I'm struggling to work up much enthusiasm, but that goes for football in general.
I'm not sure that you can fluke a European Cup win. Especially if you have to beat Napoli, Benfica, Barcelona and Bayern en route.
They did it by packing all 11 behind the ball and hoping for the best. There was no great tactical masterplan beyond that.
Or he worked out that his team wasn't going to be able to win by going all out attack, which his previous teams had done, and adjusted his tactics accordingly.
Did Tony Barton fluke our European Cup win?
I guess Simeone got lucky in this year's CL quarter final against Barcelona and semi final against Bayern too.
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Not won any trophies or got promotion or has experience in both the champ and the prem; no good for us, we need winners.
Won the Champions League, managed in both leagues and won promotion; doesn't count, he fluked it.
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RDM also managed to beat Real Madrid 4-3 with Schalke at the Santiago Bernabeu.
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Alex McCleish managed to win a league cup with Blues beating Arsenal in the final. That's almost as seismic as Leicester winning the Prem League but he hardly pulled up trees at our place. Like most managers RDM has had mixture of success and failure in his career but the general consensus is he's a decent appoitnment, he gets a clean slate when he walks into Villa Park and should be judged on what he does from here on out.
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
He should've beaten them by a wider margin. He's shit.
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Should bring in eidur godjensen as atracking striker.
And Jody Morris to teach the midfielders.
May as well get in Frank Sinclair too.... :|
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Don't know what to make of Di Matteo becoming boss. He fluked a Champion's League with someone elses team but hasn't done a great deal else of note. Did OK in the Championship with the Baggies I suppose but I'm struggling to work up much enthusiasm, but that goes for football in general.
You don't fluke beating Benfica, Napoli, Barcelona and Bayern Munich.
Ok you suppose getting promoted first attempt is OK? I think you've already made your mind up on this one haven't you?
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Alex McCleish managed to win a league cup with Blues beating Arsenal in the final. That's almost as seismic as Leicester winning the Prem League but he hardly pulled up trees at our place. Like most managers RDM has had mixture of success and failure in his career but the general consensus is he's a decent appoitnment, he gets a clean slate when he walks into Villa Park and should be judged on what he does from here on out.
Sound common sense perspective.
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for me RDM's record is not in doubt, he is a s good and better than most of the others mentioned
its the ability to sort out the biggest shitfest in the dressing room known to man that gives me worries
this is not a winning Chelsea side with a couple of big mouths, this is a team that when they take the field the fans boo them before a ball is kicked, the players openly mock the supporters on social media, its a job not for the faint hearted,
anyone thinking the trouble makers will all be gone will be disappointed, they aint going anywhere
on a more positive note, a friend of mine is the liason officer with the MK Dons, i had a chat with him this morning and he said RDM was the best manager they have had,
my mate had a bit to do with him as the go between RDM and the fans/corporate/social side and he said he was a really nice fella who was easy to deal with and was always willing to do the best for the club
i mentioned the lazy thing, he said that was more Paul Ince he never turned up and was just using the club a stepping stone, but De Matteo was always there and had a strong work ethic, so i was encouraged by that
he also said Eddie Newton is absolutely top class as well, and there was another chap he worked who complemented the team, so if we can get RDM and his backroom team we might be getting somewhere
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RDM's CV I can't fault at all -
WBA - promotion at the first attempt from the Championship, had them outside of the bottom 3 in the Prem when they dismissed him the following season
MK Dons - top 6 finish in League 1 in their first season at that level
Chelsea - 2x trophies, again wasn't in a bad league placing when dismissed, it's Abramavich
Schalke - Europa league finish, seen as a very average season but not terrible
My only concern is whether he has the right personality for the job if we don't manage to shift a lot of the bad eggs, he seems very laid back and not much of a disciplinarian. Let's hope he gets his warchest, uses it wisely and we see the vast majority of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richards and Gabby out the door, as this would make his job a lot easier.
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RDM's CV I can't fault at all -
WBA - promotion at the first attempt from the Championship, had them outside of the bottom 3 in the Prem when they dismissed him the following season
MK Dons - top 6 finish in League 1 in their first season at that level
Chelsea - 2x trophies, again wasn't in a bad league placing when dismissed, it's Abramavich
Schalke - Europa league finish, seen as a very average season but not terrible
My only concern is whether he has the right personality for the job if we don't manage to shift a lot of the bad eggs, he seems very laid back and not much of a disciplinarian. Let's hope he gets his warchest, uses it wisely and we see the vast majority of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richards and Gabby out the door, as this would make his job a lot easier.
I don't think Guzan is a bad egg, you might want him out on his goalkeeping abilities but I don't think he has an attitude problem
the only sin levelled at him was a chewing gum thing at Wycombe, its nothing really, if that's the stick we use to beat him then no ones got any chance of meeting the high standards set
I like Guzan, I always feel compelled to stick up for him on here, I accept he has been poor in games this last season and maybe he has reached the point of no return with the fans (not me) I accept that,
but don't think he has been a bad influence behind the scenes, in fact in seasons past he was the greatest encourager on the pitch and had a real passion for Villa,
in my view he doesn't deserve to get lumped in with Gabby, Richards, N'zog, Lescott etc
that list apart from Gabby have done sweet FA for Villa Guzan has in the past done his bit
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RDM's CV I can't fault at all -
WBA - promotion at the first attempt from the Championship, had them outside of the bottom 3 in the Prem when they dismissed him the following season
MK Dons - top 6 finish in League 1 in their first season at that level
Chelsea - 2x trophies, again wasn't in a bad league placing when dismissed, it's Abramavich
Schalke - Europa league finish, seen as a very average season but not terrible
My only concern is whether he has the right personality for the job if we don't manage to shift a lot of the bad eggs, he seems very laid back and not much of a disciplinarian. Let's hope he gets his warchest, uses it wisely and we see the vast majority of the likes of Guzan, Bacuna, Richards and Gabby out the door, as this would make his job a lot easier.
I don't think Guzan is a bad egg, you might want him out on his goalkeeping abilities but I don't think he has an attitude problem
the only sin levelled at him was a chewing gum thing at Wycombe, its nothing really, if that's the stick we use to beat him then no ones got any chance of meeting the high standards set
I like Guzan, I always feel compelled to stick up for him on here, I accept he has been poor in games this last season and maybe he has reached the point of no return with the fans (not me) I accept that,
but don't think he has been a bad influence behind the scenes, in fact in seasons past he was the greatest encourager on the pitch and had a real passion for Villa,
in my view he doesn't deserve to get lumped in with Gabby, Richards, N'zog, Lescott etc
that list apart from Gabby have done sweet FA for Villa Guzan has in the past done his bit
And the season before that. So poor in fact that Given had to be dragged out of his semi retirement status.
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To be fair you cannot credit RDM with winning the European Cup in Munich, against Munich, having beaten Barca in the semi-final, with just 10 men in the second leg but still scoring twice and having come from 3-1 down to beat Napoli.
It was somebody else's team.
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To be fair you cannot credit RDM with winning the European Cup in Munich, against Munich, having beaten Barca in the semi-final, with just 10 men in the second leg but still scoring twice and having come from 3-1 down to beat Napoli.
It was somebody else's team.
And beating a very decent Benfica side home and away in the quarter final.
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To be fair you cannot credit RDM with winning the European Cup in Munich, against Munich, having beaten Barca in the semi-final, with just 10 men in the second leg but still scoring twice and having come from 3-1 down to beat Napoli.
It was somebody else's team.
And beating a very decent Benfica side home and away in the quarter final.
And lost 13 out of his last 18 games at the Albion.
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To be fair you cannot credit RDM with winning the European Cup in Munich, against Munich, having beaten Barca in the semi-final, with just 10 men in the second leg but still scoring twice and having come from 3-1 down to beat Napoli.
It was somebody else's team.
I still can't believe Churchill still gets all the credit for the Second World War, everyone knows it was Chamberlain's men that really won. And how defensive was Dunkirk?!?
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To be fair you cannot credit RDM with winning the European Cup in Munich, against Munich, having beaten Barca in the semi-final, with just 10 men in the second leg but still scoring twice and having come from 3-1 down to beat Napoli.
It was somebody else's team.
And beating a very decent Benfica side home and away in the quarter final.
And lost 13 out of his last 18 games at the Albion.
In the Premier League. Not my choice but I think he's got enough to get us promoted
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To be fair you cannot credit RDM with winning the European Cup in Munich, against Munich, having beaten Barca in the semi-final, with just 10 men in the second leg but still scoring twice and having come from 3-1 down to beat Napoli.
It was somebody else's team.
And beating a very decent Benfica side home and away in the quarter final.
And lost 13 out of his last 18 games at the Albion.
I'd take winning 5 games
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To be fair you cannot credit RDM with winning the European Cup in Munich, against Munich, having beaten Barca in the semi-final, with just 10 men in the second leg but still scoring twice and having come from 3-1 down to beat Napoli.
It was somebody else's team.
And beating a very decent Benfica side home and away in the quarter final.
And lost 13 out of his last 18 games at the Albion.
As has been said, there have been good and bad parts of his career.
Jose Mourinho only won 4 of his last 16 league games at Chelsea - it doesn't make him a bad manager.
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To be fair you cannot credit RDM with winning the European Cup in Munich, against Munich, having beaten Barca in the semi-final, with just 10 men in the second leg but still scoring twice and having come from 3-1 down to beat Napoli.
It was somebody else's team.
And beating a very decent Benfica side home and away in the quarter final.
And lost 13 out of his last 18 games at the Albion.
He must be in their top three managers of the last ten years then based on those stats.
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To be fair you cannot credit RDM with winning the European Cup in Munich, against Munich, having beaten Barca in the semi-final, with just 10 men in the second leg but still scoring twice and having come from 3-1 down to beat Napoli.
It was somebody else's team.
And beating a very decent Benfica side home and away in the quarter final.
And lost 13 out of his last 18 games at the Albion.
I'd take winning 5 games
Ha, fair point. 5 wins would be a great improvement for us. I've no feelings about him either way. I just wonder whether he's got the character to stand up to whoever is in charge at the club and whoever is playing for us.
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In reality how many "bad eggs" are there? 3 or 4?
Can't be too hard to get rid of one way or another.
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One or whispers that Steve Clarke will be RDM number 2.....
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To be fair you cannot credit RDM with winning the European Cup in Munich, against Munich, having beaten Barca in the semi-final, with just 10 men in the second leg but still scoring twice and having come from 3-1 down to beat Napoli.
It was somebody else's team.
And beating a very decent Benfica side home and away in the quarter final.
And lost 13 out of his last 18 games at the Albion.
Yup, and it's probably stuff like that which means a manager with his achievements is coming to Championship Villa rather than replacing Guardiola at Bayern Munich.
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If RDM is not good enough for Bayern Munich, how can Villa even consider him for the job.
After all, Villa have a 100% record against Munich, so they must be really crap
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Right so this is happening today then?? Robbie D-I-MATT-E-O, Robbie D-I-MA......etc (to the tune of D.I.S.C.O) good luck getting that one out of your head...
He's D - delirious.....
I ineffective
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Don't know what to make of Di Matteo becoming boss. He fluked a Champion's League with someone elses team but hasn't done a great deal else of note. Did OK in the Championship with the Baggies I suppose but I'm struggling to work up much enthusiasm, but that goes for football in general.
I'm not sure that you can fluke a European Cup win. Especially if you have to beat Napoli, Benfica, Barcelona and Bayern en route.
They did it by packing all 11 behind the ball and hoping for the best. There was no great tactical masterplan beyond that.
Or he worked out that his team wasn't going to be able to win by going all out attack, which his previous teams had done, and adjusted his tactics accordingly.
Did Tony Barton fluke our European Cup win?
I guess Simeone got lucky in this year's CL quarter final against Barcelona and semi final against Bayern too.
Yes he was!! - and dirty - and...cheating.
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Don't know what to make of Di Matteo becoming boss. He fluked a Champion's League with someone elses team but hasn't done a great deal else of note. Did OK in the Championship with the Baggies I suppose but I'm struggling to work up much enthusiasm, but that goes for football in general.
I'm not sure that you can fluke a European Cup win. Especially if you have to beat Napoli, Benfica, Barcelona and Bayern en route.
They did it by packing all 11 behind the ball and hoping for the best. There was no great tactical masterplan beyond that.
Or he worked out that his team wasn't going to be able to win by going all out attack, which his previous teams had done, and adjusted his tactics accordingly.
Did Tony Barton fluke our European Cup win?
I guess Simeone got lucky in this year's CL quarter final against Barcelona and semi final against Bayern too.
Yes he was!! - and dirty - and...cheating.
It wouldn't be Simeone if it wasn't. Anyway, are you going to tell him?
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I think it is fair to say that Chelsea did seem to have a lot of good fortune in the final stages of that CL run.
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I think it is fair to say that Chelsea did seem to have a lot of good fortune in the final stages of that CL run.
None more than Arjen Robben feeling pity for Chelsea - I could see a mile away that he was going to miss that kick - idiot.
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BBC just tweeted that Di Matteo has been confirmed as manager.
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Steve Clarke as AM
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Done according to the Beeb but nothing on official site http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/36373312
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Nothing on the OS yet.
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happy with that pairing....
good luck Roberto and Steveo...
UTV
The Doc
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Steve Clarke as AM
Interesting if true as he had tasted being the #1 previously
So to get an ex manager to drop to a #2 in a Championship side has taken some persuasion
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Former Chelsea manager Roberto di Matteo has been appointed the new manager of Aston Villa.
The Italian succeeds Remi Garde, who was sacked in March before the club's relegation from the Premier League.
Di Matteo, who won the Champions League with Chelsea in 2012, will be assisted by former Blues team-mate Steve Clarke.
Villa were also linked with ex-Manchester United boss David Moyes and new Derby County manager Nigel Pearson, but Di Matteo was always first choice.
Dr Tony Xia, the Chinese businessman whose takeover of Villa is awaiting Football League and Premier League approval, is convinced Di Matteo will raise the West Midlands club's profile in the Championship.
The former West Brom and Schalke boss and Clarke, 52, have been out of management since last year.
Can a Mod do a thread name change or are we waiting for the announcement to be on Pravda Xinhua ?
The pair have never worked together in management but were Chelsea team-mates for two years.
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Yes happy with that.Di Matteo & Steve Clark. Thats a strong pairing.
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From the BBC, not the Evening Mail:
"Since 2011, the former midfielder, who won 34 caps for Italy, has been sacked by the Baggies, Chelsea and Schalke, leaving the Bundesliga side in May 2015 after failing to qualify for the Champions League"
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Yes happy with that.Di Matteo & Steve Clark. Thats a strong pairing.
Clarke.
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Clarke had a very good reputation as a first-team and assistant coach before he got his managerial roles, so hopefully he carries that on.
I think we've done as well as we could realistically have hoped, as a Championship side. Next step: get the takeover done with, and cut the chaff.
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Yes happy with that.Di Matteo & Steve Clark. Thats a strong pairing.
Clarke.
I assumed that Nunkin's misspelling was a satirical comment on the inability of a number of H&V'ers to correctly spell Ciaran's name
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Yes happy with that.Di Matteo & Steve Clark. Thats a strong pairing.
Clarke.
Let's hope we do sell Kieren after all else it's going to be a spelling nightmare!
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Delighted with that. A manager with a decent track record, and a strong assistant.
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The first task for Di Matteo and Clarke will be to eliminate underperforming players on long contracts, while bringing in players suited to the physical challenges of the Championship
Seems a bit harsh. I'd settle for just selling or releasing them
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Top story on the OS is still Bacuna's Curacao winning
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Would imagine they would only have joined in the conditions were right i.e. Investment etc......fingers crossed
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Happy, but not “over the moon” (in football parlance!) with Di Matteo, but I think Steve Clarke as an assistant is a fantastic appointment!
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Welcome on board Bob and Steve.
You've got one hell of a job to do to get us back up where we belong.
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Strong appointments I'm getting this weird feeling, not optimism exactly but maybe a bit less pessimism? I'm going for a lie down.
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The first task for Di Matteo and Clarke will be to eliminate underperforming players on long contracts, while bringing in players suited to the physical challenges of the Championship
Seems a bit harsh. I'd settle for just selling or releasing them
I don't think that's harsh at all. There were a good few times last season I felt like personally eliminating the lot of them.
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Clarke will be the one who deals with any truculence or insubordination in the dressing room, and I am happy about that.
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Happy enough with RDM, delighted if it's Clarke as assistant.
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it feels promising to me too
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Excellent news. Well pleased with Clarke as an assistant too.
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Nothing on ssn maybe waiting till 2pm to annnounce on headlines. BBC wanted to get the announcement in early. Perhaps this is how it is now on lower league not premier league not as much fanfare though the villa take over was pretty big on sky sports wonder why they aren't doing the reveal and bbc have announced ahead of even offivak site
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This is good news. Very good news indeed. Time to put all the shit of the last 5 years behind us and kick some Championship ass.
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Benvenuto Roberto and Steve.
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Are we in danger of everything being as it said it would be
RDM was mentioned as soon as Tony X rocked up - and after loads of toing and froing with emotional outpourings of doom and gloom (Mine as well) it comes to fruition
Tony X - I have the money
Tony x - I will spend big
let it be so....................
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Roberto di Matteo named Aston Villa manager - Steve Clarke as assistant
By Pat Murphy
BBC Radio 5 live
27 minutes ago From the section Football 31
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Former Chelsea manager Roberto di Matteo has been appointed the new manager of Aston Villa.
The Italian succeeds Remi Garde, who was sacked in March before the club's relegation from the Premier League.
Di Matteo, who won the Champions League with Chelsea in 2012, will be assisted by former Blues team-mate Steve Clarke.
Villa were also linked with ex-Manchester United boss David Moyes and new Derby County manager Nigel Pearson, but Di Matteo was always first choice.
Dr Tony Xia, the Chinese businessman whose takeover of Villa is awaiting Football League and Premier League approval, is convinced Di Matteo will raise the West Midlands club's profile in the Championship.
The former West Brom and Schalke boss and Clarke, 52, have been out of management since last year.
The pair have never worked together in management but were Chelsea team-mates for two years.
Clarke will take hands-on responsibility for Villa's group of underachieving players.
The Scot has excellent contacts and recent experience in the Championship, having managed Reading until he was sacked last December.
Thanks to his time at Newcastle United and Liverpool, he also has an excellent reputation as a first-team coach and worked as an assistant to Jose Mourinho at Chelsea for three years.
As a head coach, Clarke, a former Scotland international, guided West Brom to their highest Premier League position of eighth in 2013.
Di Matteo has not managed at Championship level since 2009-10, when he guided West Brom to an immediate return to the top flight.
Since 2011, the former midfielder, who won 34 caps for Italy, has been sacked by the Baggies, Chelsea and Schalke, leaving the Bundesliga side in May 2015 after failing to qualify for the Champions League.
The first task for Di Matteo and Clarke will be to eliminate underperforming players on long contracts, while bringing in players suited to the physical challenges of the Championship.
New owner Xia has already promised extensive funds for player recruitment.
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Clark is a failed manager but a bit of a Sherwood motivator and coach in touch with championship. Robbie brings the class and as a two hope works a dream far better than anything in current championship. Now just need to sort the team!
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Happy enough with RDM, delighted if it's Clarke as assistant.
Yep, don't think we could have got much better. Really happy that Clarke is coming too (if the Beeb have got it right).
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that'll do me.
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Clark is a failed manager
He managed to get the Tesco's up to 8th.
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Both sacked by the Baggies as manager. Underwhelmed
Oh well. Lets hope they do the job.
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Looks good to me!
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Clark is a failed manager
He managed to get the Tesco's up to 8th.
I should have said recently failed . As was poor with reading and also so it's clear he's a good coach but not manager
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Still nothing on the OS, maybe the webmaster is still in the Witton Arms on an extended lunch break.
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Definitely happy with this. It definitely shows intent for a club in our position, and a healthy incentive to succeed, if the financial reports are true.
Promoted at the first attempt, stable in the league, and then hopefully they can take us on from there. If not, they can walk away with their heads held high.
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A new poster on VT reckons Kevin Bond and Steve Clarke will be his backroom staff....
What? You mean decent coaches?
Looks like Di Matteo reads this place and takes smart advise..
What are the chances of a di Matteo and Steve Clarke combo?
I'll save the blushes of the few (Hi Dave!) who dismissed the idea. ;)
You can have that one Mark - we're clearly still a much bigger draw than I expected.
Given what we could have ended up with, this is a very decent result.
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Still nothing on the OS, maybe the webmaster is still in the Witton Arms on an extended lunch break.
Probably had to appoint a 14 year old in his bedroom following our relegation to look after all matters HTML.
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Of the options, this is about as good as we could hope for I reckon. Really highly regarded number 2, who has had some success of being a number 1, paired with a manager who has won promotion, won the fa cup and won the european cup, and is only 46. I think it is a pretty bold appointment and shows intent with his assistant. Get Eddie Newton, a decent fitness coach and a new keeping coach in we might actually have a backroom structure capable of tackling the task.
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Pleased with that. I was a bit meh about Di Matteo, but bringing Clarke in as coach/assistant as well is a bit of a masterstroke in my opinion so feel much more positive. At last things are moving and the tide is turning. Presumably the takeover has been all but rubber-stamped or these appointments wouldn't have been signed off yet.
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To be announced tomorrow.Not signed his contract yet.
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A new poster on VT reckons Kevin Bond and Steve Clarke will be his backroom staff....
What? You mean decent coaches?
Looks like Di Matteo reads this place and takes smart advise..
What are the chances of a di Matteo and Steve Clarke combo?
I'll save the blushes of the few (Hi Dave!) who dismissed the idea. ;)
You can have that one Mark - we're clearly still a much bigger draw than I expected.
Given what we could have ended up with, this is a very decent result.
It is. My worry with RDM is his lack of experience (just two full seasons) but by adding Clarke to the equation I think we've got a very balanced set up.
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Also weren't there some insinuations that RDM is lazy when it comes to training sessions? I don't think you can accuse Clarke of that.
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Both sacked by the Baggies as manager. Underwhelmed
Oh well. Lets hope they do the job.
With the exception of Wenger, what other manager out there has not been sacked/left by mutual agreement at some time in their career. The lifespan of a manager is about 3 years nowadays. Then they move on to pastures new.
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
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Interesting that on Wiki it states of Clarkes time at Liverpool :
Clarke was credited (alongside Dalglish) for turning Liverpool's season around, having a points average of around 2 points per match from his arrival, coupled with an improved defensive record
He's worked in a lot of top clubs and always had a good coaching reputation (his first season with the Tescos was good as well).
I think in the circumstances these are 2 good appointments. Apart from Dyche / Allardyce / Bruce I don't think there's a better realistic option.
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
And if that's the case then the manager who dragged the worst European Champions ever to the trophy must have done a pretty phenomenal job.
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
Doubtful. I think a lot of money would have gone on Steaua, but hey, don't let prejudice get in the way.
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If he gets us promoted, I might start forgiving him for winning Chelsea the Big Cup. He'd have to actually win the Cup for me to forget about Wembley, though.
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
Doubtful. I think a lot of money would have gone on Steaua, but hey, don't let prejudice get in the way.
Liverpool 2005 were also nothing to write home about.
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
Doubtful. I think a lot of money would have gone on Steaua, but hey, don't let prejudice get in the way.
Liverpool 2005 were also nothing to write home about.
They had more going for them than that Chelsea side though. Didn't they also finish outside the top four that year?
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
And if that's the case then the manager who dragged the worst European Champions ever to the trophy must have done a pretty phenomenal job.
Or they fluked it :D
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
Doubtful. I think a lot of money would have gone on Steaua, but hey, don't let prejudice get in the way.
Liverpool 2005 were also nothing to write home about.
They had more going for them than that Chelsea side though. Didn't they also finish outside the top four that year?
Both Liverpool and Chelsea did. Spurs finished above them and missed out on CL
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From what I remember of the 2005 final Liverpool and in particular Gerrard were absolutely shit for the first half then they moved Gerrard to right back and he had the best match of his career and pretty much single-handedly got them into extra time.
From then on I was adamant that the solution to the England team was to do the same and let, at the time, scholes and lampard be the central midfield, it became a heated topic between me and my friends that I was insistent that Gerrard was a good midfielder who should've been a world class fullback.
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
I can't believe that I'm defending Chelsea but....
Wash your mouth out.
As odious as Chelsea are and as dire as they were in that final, they've got nothing on Red Star Belgrade in 1991.
If you ever wish to experiment with the thought of gougin your own eyeballs out, or dissolving them in caustic soda whilst still in vivo, try watching the whole match here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orDD4xfjS3g) and see how far past kick-off you get before it starts sounding tempting.
Just seen Woofle's suggestion of Staueau Bucharest in '86 as another excellent bid for even worse, more negative teams to lift the big one.
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
Doubtful. I think a lot of money would have gone on Steaua, but hey, don't let prejudice get in the way.
One thing that stays in my mind was the performances of Drogba in that tournament. He was the perfect centre forward throughout. He held the ball up, he won headers, worked the channels, defended, won free kicks and scored goals. He was awsome that season.
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Attacking highlights of Red Star in the '91 final.
(http://p.fod4.com/p/media/614323db2e/DBZBHwX6SjqQtNpGUnGH_simpsons-soccer-gif-o%20(1).gif)
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
Doubtful. I think a lot of money would have gone on Steaua, but hey, don't let prejudice get in the way.
One thing that stays in my mind was the performances of Drogba in that tournament. He was the perfect centre forward throughout. He held the ball up, he won headers, worked the channels, defended, won free kicks and scored goals. He was awsome that season.
Agreed, Cech was pretty great as well.
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From what I remember of the 2005 final Liverpool and in particular Gerrard were absolutely shit for the first half then they moved Gerrard to right back and he had the best match of his career and pretty much single-handedly got them into extra time.
From then on I was adamant that the solution to the England team was to do the same and let, at the time, scholes and lampard be the central midfield, it became a heated topic between me and my friends that I was insistent that Gerrard was a good midfielder who should've been a world class fullback.
But Gerrard never played right back. In the second half they switched to a three man defence with Smicer playing as a right wing back. Gerrard was playing as an attacking midfielder.
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
I can't believe that I'm defending Chelsea but....
Wash your mouth out.
As odious as Chelsea are and as dire as they were in that final, they've got nothing on Red Star Belgrade in 1991.
If you ever wish to experiment with the thought of gougin your own eyeballs out, or dissolving them in caustic soda whilst still in vivo, try watching the whole match here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orDD4xfjS3g) and see how far past kick-off you get before it starts sounding tempting.
Just seen Woofle's suggestion of Staueau Bucharest in '86 as another excellent bid for even worse, more negative teams to lift the big one.
Red Star were brilliant in the rounds previous to the final though. If I'm supposed to give Chelsea credit for beating Bayern en route to winning the thing, we need to do the same for Red Star. It was a shit final though to be fair.
As for Steaua, they'd had a pretty easy route to the final but they scored plenty along the way. Barcelona were also shite in that final. They were a world away from the Barca we know today.
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
And if that's the case then the manager who dragged the worst European Champions ever to the trophy must have done a pretty phenomenal job.
Or they fluked it :D
So he's a lucky manager then?
Good, we could do with a load of luck.
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
I can't believe that I'm defending Chelsea but....
Wash your mouth out.
As odious as Chelsea are and as dire as they were in that final, they've got nothing on Red Star Belgrade in 1991.
If you ever wish to experiment with the thought of gougin your own eyeballs out, or dissolving them in caustic soda whilst still in vivo, try watching the whole match here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=orDD4xfjS3g) and see how far past kick-off you get before it starts sounding tempting.
Just seen Woofle's suggestion of Staueau Bucharest in '86 as another excellent bid for even worse, more negative teams to lift the big one.
That was just weird though, they'd been electric right up until that match.
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This hopefully will end up being a masterstroke of an appointment. Welcome Swiss Rob.
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Red Star were not the richest club on the planet and probably the only way of winning was by stealth
Chelsea had a myriad of world super stars yet played like a lower league team against a top quality side
theire football was shit in that final for the money spent on players, you would have thought they could muster some attacking intent rather than a parked vehicle and a breakaway every now and then
absolute crap in my view
what was even worse was when Mourinho was there and they played Barcelona, admitedely Barca were an ace side, but Chelsea had spent more money on players and should have been able to at least compete,
yet the special one had them watering a quagmire of a pitch which was an embarresment to see, the grass was to be replaced after that particular game, but they were so shit at actually playing decent football like a conference side they made the conditions as bad as they could to give themselves a better chance, and this with all the millions spent
Chelsea are a shit club, with tosspot supporters and don't deserve to win fuck all, especially when playing like a Pulis side and spawning the final,
Wankers, and that's my final word on the subject
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I'll bet the Inter team in the mid-60s were pretty miserable to watch. From reading reports of the '67 final pretty much the whole of Europe was grateful to Celtic for playing some actual attacking football against the kings of catenaccio.
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Are we complaining about how the potential new manager beat Barcelona and Bayern Munich on the way to winning the European Cup?
No, I'm saying that Chelsea side are the worst European Champions ever. Something we probably all agreed on before we hired Di Matteo.
And if that's the case then the manager who dragged the worst European Champions ever to the trophy must have done a pretty phenomenal job.
Or they fluked it :D
So he's a lucky manager then?
Good, we could do with a load of luck.
Well let's hope so. People have jumped to the conclusion that I'm 100% against this appointment when all I said was I'm underwhelmed. But that goes for the coming season and just football generally.
That said, he didn't have much of that luck at his other clubs.
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I'll bet the Inter team in the mid-60s were pretty miserable to watch. From reading reports of the '67 final pretty much the whole of Europe was grateful to Celtic for playing some actual attacking football against the kings of catenaccio.
Miserable to watch, but brilliant at what they did.
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Red Star were not the richest club on the planet and probably the only way of winning was by stealth
Chelsea had a myriad of world super stars yet played like a lower league team against a top quality side
theire football was shit in that final for the money spent on players, you would have thought they could muster some attacking intent rather than a parked vehicle and a breakaway every now and then
absolute crap in my view
what was even worse was when Mourinho was there and they played Barcelona, admitedely Barca were an ace side, but Chelsea had spent more money on players and should have been able to at least compete,
yet the special one had them watering a quagmire of a pitch which was an embarresment to see, the grass was to be replaced after that particular game, but they were so shit at actually playing decent football like a conference side they made the conditions as bad as they could to give themselves a better chance, and this with all the millions spent
Chelsea are a shit club, with tosspot supporters and don't deserve to win fuck all, especially when playing like a Pulis side and spawning the final,
Wankers, and that's my final word on the subject
I'd like a bit more John, that was great. Spot on.
Football is supposed to be about entertainment.
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Red Star were not the richest club on the planet and probably the only way of winning was by stealth
Chelsea had a myriad of world super stars yet played like a lower league team against a top quality side
theire football was shit in that final for the money spent on players, you would have thought they could muster some attacking intent rather than a parked vehicle and a breakaway every now and then
absolute crap in my view
what was even worse was when Mourinho was there and they played Barcelona, admitedely Barca were an ace side, but Chelsea had spent more money on players and should have been able to at least compete,
yet the special one had them watering a quagmire of a pitch which was an embarresment to see, the grass was to be replaced after that particular game, but they were so shit at actually playing decent football like a conference side they made the conditions as bad as they could to give themselves a better chance, and this with all the millions spent
Chelsea are a shit club, with tosspot supporters and don't deserve to win fuck all, especially when playing like a Pulis side and spawning the final,
Wankers, and that's my final word on the subject
Tell it, brother.
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Well, I had reservations about RDM, but if we get the full set of coaches being talked about, I think that's a really strong team.
And obviously the man's got the job now, so he has my unconditional support for at least the next year and a half.
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The way Chelsea fans treated Benitez was despicable. They're a classless bunch are arseholes.