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Offline Dante Lavelli

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2865 on: April 12, 2016, 09:42:41 PM »
I don't think anybody has said we would be fools not to hire, Pearson but only a blind man would fail to see he's left every club in a better place than when he found them. Nutter he may be but his record ain't half bad.

And yet despite this record, almost every club has decided to dispense with his services in controversial circumstances.

Carlisle - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Southampton - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Leicester #1 - About to be replaced by Paulo Sousa so walked
Leicester #2 - Kept them in Premier but board couldn't work with him any longer

Coincidence? Or impossible to work with?

He wasn't doing too badly at Smethwick until they replaced him with Tony Mowbray and we all know how that ended.

Yes, watching them was like watching Brazil, or something like that.

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2866 on: April 12, 2016, 10:26:56 PM »
I don't think anybody has said we would be fools not to hire, Pearson but only a blind man would fail to see he's left every club in a better place than when he found them. Nutter he may be but his record ain't half bad.

And yet despite this record, almost every club has decided to dispense with his services in controversial circumstances.

Carlisle - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Southampton - Kept them up but sacked anyway
Leicester #1 - About to be replaced by Paulo Sousa so walked
Leicester #2 - Kept them in Premier but board couldn't work with him any longer

Coincidence? Or impossible to work with?

He wasn't doing too badly at Smethwick until they replaced him with Tony Mowbray and we all know how that ended.

Well there's another one to add to the list then - won 3 out of 4 games, but the board didn't want to keep him.

There's a pattern here. Generally decent results but getting sacked anyway. That's not normal, not 5 times in a managerial career.

I never even knew he'd been at half of those teams

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2867 on: April 12, 2016, 10:31:38 PM »
Hopefully we will start to move forward on the manager selection from tomorrow. Pat Murphy says the board are meeting to discuss candidates.  Hopefully, Pearson isn't one of them. Moyes or Rodgers for me. If not, Dyche, Hughton or Bruce.

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2868 on: April 12, 2016, 10:31:46 PM »
Can't that same argument be levelled at Chris Hughton? Nice bloke, does a decent, even good job wherever he has been. Got fired after a short period at each club he's been at.

* the Noses aside
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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2869 on: April 12, 2016, 10:36:53 PM »
Can't that same argument be levelled at Chris Hughton? Nice bloke, does a decent, even good job wherever he has been. Got fired after a short period at each club he's been at.
* the Noses aside

I suppose it could, yes.

Although generally it isn't after a very public fall-out, as it is with Pearson.

Offline Holte L2

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2870 on: April 12, 2016, 10:44:22 PM »
Can't that same argument be levelled at Chris Hughton? Nice bloke, does a decent, even good job wherever he has been. Got fired after a short period at each club he's been at.
* the Noses aside

I suppose it could, yes.

Although generally it isn't after a very public fall-out, as it is with Pearson.

Chris Hughton has secured promotions from the Championship with two different clubs though.

Offline Dante Lavelli

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2871 on: April 12, 2016, 10:48:52 PM »
Maybe Pearson's style is along the lines of Mourinho, whereby he runs everything at breaking point.  It's a good short term solution but not sustainable in the long term.  That's probably the biggest complement that I can give Pearson to be honest and, I suppose, his brash style might turn the club around before we reach breaking point, at which point a new manager takes over..

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2872 on: April 12, 2016, 10:49:07 PM »
Can't that same argument be levelled at Chris Hughton? Nice bloke, does a decent, even good job wherever he has been. Got fired after a short period at each club he's been at.
* the Noses aside

I suppose it could, yes.

Although generally it isn't after a very public fall-out, as it is with Pearson.

Chris Hughton has secured promotions from the Championship with two different clubs though.

And that's the bizarre thing. He got two clubs promoted yet within a year or so he got fired and neither club was in any significant trouble. Whether it is a public falling out, a mutual parting of the ways or your bog standard firing he still was forced to leave the club.

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2873 on: April 12, 2016, 10:49:17 PM »
Hughton was doing a decent job at Newcastle too but got dumped because they felt he wasn't a big enough name for them.  He's a bit conservative with the football but would be ok. Is ok enough though?

Offline IAmTheOneIanOlney

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2874 on: April 12, 2016, 10:59:26 PM »
I saw speculation linking Bielsa with Everton yesterday. I don't think how much it costs to get rid of Martinez will be that much of an issue with [b[the new money in the club[/b] and the TV cash going up, and Martinez is increasingly unpopular there.

I really wanted Moyes at first, but I'm coming round to the idea of Rodgers. He did good things at Swansea. And he has a lovely portrait of himself in his house.

What new money?

Farhad Moshiri paid however many millions for a 49% share. The money went to the consortium that owned the club, of which Kenwright was by far the largest shareholder.

That consortium still owns a controlling interest, but Moshiri is now the largest single shareholder.

From a purely financial viewpoint the transition makes no sense if the expectation is that he'll pump money into a venture where he has no control.

Isn't he expected to purchase the rest of the club at a later date? Plus he's reportedly promised a £100 million spending spree in the summer among other things. If that summer budget is true, it's not exactly the levels they've been operating at in the past and paying off a manager who's underachieving won't be much of an issue.

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2875 on: April 12, 2016, 11:02:52 PM »
Hughton was doing a decent job at Newcastle too but got dumped because they felt he wasn't a big enough name for them.  He's a bit conservative with the football but would be ok. Is ok enough though?

None of the names mentioned so far are without their negative points or to be honest, any more than ok. I think for the moment, steady and ok is enough. If the manager in question had the potential to progress themselves to being more than ok in the future, that would be good too (which rules out the likes of Steve Bruce where we know more or less the level they will progress to).

Offline tomd2103

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2876 on: April 12, 2016, 11:42:27 PM »
Can't that same argument be levelled at Chris Hughton? Nice bloke, does a decent, even good job wherever he has been. Got fired after a short period at each club he's been at.
* the Noses aside

I suppose it could, yes.

Although generally it isn't after a very public fall-out, as it is with Pearson.

Chris Hughton has secured promotions from the Championship with two different clubs though.

And that's the bizarre thing. He got two clubs promoted yet within a year or so he got fired and neither club was in any significant trouble. Whether it is a public falling out, a mutual parting of the ways or your bog standard firing he still was forced to leave the club.

I seem to remember there being a general feeling that he had been very hard done by when he was sacked at Newcastle.  I recall a lot of their supporters not being overly pleased.

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2877 on: April 13, 2016, 12:05:38 AM »

I seem to remember there being a general feeling that he had been very hard done by when he was sacked at Newcastle.  I recall a lot of their supporters not being overly pleased.

I recall that as well. Although they very quickly rallied to Pardew. Smashing Liverpool then that Arsenal game made them forget about Hughton pretty quick if I recall correctly.

Offline supertom

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2878 on: April 13, 2016, 12:07:03 AM »
Not too many managers walk of their own accord. Far more often than not they'll get fired.

Offline adrenachrome

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Re: Manager for next season
« Reply #2879 on: April 13, 2016, 12:19:55 AM »
Not too many managers walk of their own accord. Far more often than not they'll get fired.

But not too many clubs have a former manager who now says he was glad to be sacked, and had in fact asked to be relieved of his duties several times before the event.

And let's be honest, RG could well be saying the same thing before too long.

We are a special case. A basket case.

 


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