Manager for next season

[passport1]

I think the Garde is a dead man walking and will be gone when relegation is confirmed or at the end of the season at the latest.

I doubt we will see him employed in this country again.

[tomd2103]

Actually I think Bruce would be a good shout.  But he may well be in the PL next year with Hull and he's been burnt by jumping ship before, so unless there were a lot of guarantees, he may well have no interest.

I would tend to prefer Moyes, but of the two Bruce certainly has more experience of getting promotions.  I've always found him to be pretty eloquent and gracious about us when being interviewed, even as a Blues manager.  I would have him every day of the week over Pulis or Sam.

I can remember him running all over our pitch when they scored like he'd just discovered a cure for flatfaceism.

You'd be against then Dave?  Who would you like?

No idea. I'd like Garde to have at least the summer to sort this lot out and bring his own players in.

I can see some similarities (though we are a lot worse in terms of our league placing) to Houllier's season.  I wanted him gone at the end of that season, but on reflection he should have been given the summer to ship out the time wasters he had been clashing with all season and bring in his own players (Cabaye was mentioned at the time).  As it was, the wasters were given another chance under a new manager and reverted to type after a few games. 

I could see the above scenario happening again this summer if Garde leaves.  New manager comes in, Gabby and pals out the effort in for a few games before tossing it off again, leaving another manager up the creek.  I still think things have gone too far for Garde to come back now, but I wouldn't mind if Hollis came out and said the board were in full support of Garde, he will be here next season and he will have the support in the summer to get rid and bring in who he wants. 

[old man villa fan]

The trouble with giving Garde the summer to bring his own players in and shed the non-performers, is the realisation the non-performers won't go and the club aren't going to spend a few million and 10k a week for a replacement for say Gabby, if Gabby is still there on 55k a week


He may be a wonderful manager motivating his own players but that's not going to happen is it?

If the lazy shower are not shown the door in the summer, we may as well give up, parcel the club up and stick an address label on it saying 'Division 1'.  Aston Villa in the Championship is of absolutely no use to our owner.

[old man villa fan]

To bring Garde in and then not give him the opportunity to build his own side is akin to having an argument with somebody and not letting them get a word in.

What would have been the point of bringing a manager in for the future and judging him on motivation of a bunch of players that do not want to be motivated.  Adding in the fact that he has been without 4 or 5 of the squad for most of his time here, he has been in an impossible situation.

Allowing Garde to leave or worse, getting rid of him, would be a great advertisement to get a decent new manager.

[sickbeggar]

The trouble with giving Garde the summer to bring his own players in and shed the non-performers, is the realisation the non-performers won't go and the club aren't going to spend a few million and 10k a week for a replacement for say Gabby, if Gabby is still there on 55k a week


He may be a wonderful manager motivating his own players but that's not going to happen is it?

If the lazy shower are not shown the door in the summer, we may as well give up, parcel the club up and stick an address label on it saying 'Division 1'.  Aston Villa in the Championship is of absolutely no use to our owner.

How do you do it though? you can only pay-up their contracts which will cost millions so you're stuck with them unless someone wants them and i'm guessing there's not a long list of suitors for any of them, and an even shorter list of clubs who would pay them enough to make them consider leaving. As we saw with the remnants of MON's squad, the crap players stayed and saw out their contracts because any club who was half-interested in them, certainly wasn't going to pay them what they were getting at Villa.

[pauliewalnuts]

I'd happily get rid of almost the entire squad, I hate so many of them.

However, some of them might be shite in the top flight, but will be more than good enough in the championship, and others are on long deals and are going to be hard to get rid of.

We're not going to ditch a whole squad in one summer.

[old man villa fan]

The trouble with giving Garde the summer to bring his own players in and shed the non-performers, is the realisation the non-performers won't go and the club aren't going to spend a few million and 10k a week for a replacement for say Gabby, if Gabby is still there on 55k a week


He may be a wonderful manager motivating his own players but that's not going to happen is it?

If the lazy shower are not shown the door in the summer, we may as well give up, parcel the club up and stick an address label on it saying 'Division 1'.  Aston Villa in the Championship is of absolutely no use to our owner.

How do you do it though? you can only pay-up their contracts which will cost millions so you're stuck with them unless someone wants them and i'm guessing there's not a long list of suitors for any of them, and an even shorter list of clubs who would pay them enough to make them consider leaving. As we saw with the remnants of MON's squad, the crap players stayed and saw out their contracts because any club who was half-interested in them, certainly wasn't going to pay them what they were getting at Villa.

Just because it costs you money to get rid of a player, should not be the reason for keeping him.  You have to weigh up the benefits against the cost.  A £55k/week player not being played because he is not good enough, cost you £55k a week for nothing or £2.75m per year.  You would be better off giving the player the money to leave so as to clear the negativity from the club.

[sickbeggar]

The trouble with giving Garde the summer to bring his own players in and shed the non-performers, is the realisation the non-performers won't go and the club aren't going to spend a few million and 10k a week for a replacement for say Gabby, if Gabby is still there on 55k a week


He may be a wonderful manager motivating his own players but that's not going to happen is it?

If the lazy shower are not shown the door in the summer, we may as well give up, parcel the club up and stick an address label on it saying 'Division 1'.  Aston Villa in the Championship is of absolutely no use to our owner.

How do you do it though? you can only pay-up their contracts which will cost millions so you're stuck with them unless someone wants them and i'm guessing there's not a long list of suitors for any of them, and an even shorter list of clubs who would pay them enough to make them consider leaving. As we saw with the remnants of MON's squad, the crap players stayed and saw out their contracts because any club who was half-interested in them, certainly wasn't going to pay them what they were getting at Villa.

Just because it costs you money to get rid of a player, should not be the reason for keeping him.  You have to weigh up the benefits against the cost.  A £55k/week player not being played because he is not good enough, cost you £55k a week for nothing or £2.75m per year.  You would be better off giving the player the money to leave so as to clear the negativity from the club.

yeah i agree in a perfect world, but times that with the other non-performers and that's a hell of a lot of money to write off AND buy replacements.  This club isn't going to sanction that realistically. They will want a manager to get something out of them and Garde can't

[Steve67]

Why should they leave for less money? You wouldn't, neither would I.

[mr woo]

This is pure fantasy and I accept he could never be persuaded in a million years, but there is a proven premier league manager capable of top four finishes while keeping the books balanced at the same time and who may well be looking for a new challenge this summer.

I'd be pretty sure Tom Fox has his mobile number too.

[old man villa fan]

Why should they leave for less money? You wouldn't, neither would I.

When you add it to a lesser contract at another club, it can work out to more money.  You just have to pitch it at the right level so that another club will take them on, particularly if it is a free transfer and the player gets a signing on fee.

[cdbearsfan]

This is pure fantasy and I accept he could never be persuaded in a million years, but there is a proven premier league manager capable of top four finishes while keeping the books balanced at the same time and who may well be looking for a new challenge this summer.

I'd be pretty sure Tom Fox has his mobile number too.

And he's ruined his last two clubs. I'd be open to his appointment but I don't think you should ignore the disappointments in his managerial career.

You could say McLeish had a good record if you ignore the relegations.

[Sexual Ealing]

This is pure fantasy and I accept he could never be persuaded in a million years, but there is a proven premier league manager capable of top four finishes while keeping the books balanced at the same time and who may well be looking for a new challenge this summer.

I'd be pretty sure Tom Fox has his mobile number too.

And he's ruined his last two clubs. I'd be open to his appointment but I don't think you should ignore the disappointments in his managerial career.

You could say McLeish had a good record if you ignore the relegations.

I think he's talking about Wenger!

[LeeB]

This is pure fantasy and I accept he could never be persuaded in a million years, but there is a proven premier league manager capable of top four finishes while keeping the books balanced at the same time and who may well be looking for a new challenge this summer.

I'd be pretty sure Tom Fox has his mobile number too.

And he's ruined his last two clubs. I'd be open to his appointment but I don't think you should ignore the disappointments in his managerial career.

You could say McLeish had a good record if you ignore the relegations.

I think he's talking about Wenger!

Yeah, me too. I bet cdbullyweefan is shit at Guess Who.

[cdbearsfan]

Ha!

And shit at Guess Woo, in this instance.