Manager for next season

[DaveD]

He won't get us sixth.

Hello Mystic Meg. We've been expecting you...

On loan from the Remain campaign

No wonder you want Moyes, he'd keep us out of Europe no problem. *winking whatnot*

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Project Fear. No matter how shit things have been, they can only get worse if we change.

[ozzjim]

5 times 6th or better and 3 times 7th in 10 years. Given time think 6th is exactly where he would get us.

[lovejoy]

"There's a glass ceiling with Moyes at top 6". Sorry have I Tim travelled or are we a team in the Championship having fought relegation for 5 years? Some perspective here I suggest.

[montague]

Constant top 6 and a good home record will do fine for a while

[Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle]

I'm happy that we are going to be bigger than Barcelona.

[Matt Collins]

You know sometimes someone visits another club's forum and reports back how deluded they are, with various choice quotes?

Someone's definitely doing that to this thread. Glass ceiling at 6th. Man alive

[mr underhill]

Let's hope Dave's not reading - or if he is he's, simply looking at the top line poll figures. some of these comments reveal why we sometimes get the 'deluded fans' bad press comments . Top six in the PL? I wish!

[paul_e]

You know sometimes someone visits another club's forum and reports back how deluded they are, with various choice quotes?

Someone's definitely doing that to this thread. Glass ceiling at 6th. Man alive

Why?  Our new owner has a stated aim of getting us back to that point and getting regular European football.  Given that I think it's fair to look at the candidates and see if they'd be capable of delivering in that context as well as where we are.  " of the biggest critics of Moyes in the last few pages have myself and monty and both of us have said that he's fine for where we are but the worry is how we'd handle him when he reaches the point that he's capped at before and how much of the squad he created would be suitable to go on to the next level.

If someone from another club comes on and thinks that deserves us taking the piss then so be it but it is a valid discussion.

On top of that, my other worry, as I've said all along, is that the Moyes we'd be getting isn't the same guy that Everton had but rather a guy who has failed at the biggest job he'll ever get and failed in his first attempted comeback.  I'm not saying this should block the move completely but we shouldn't pretend it isn't a risk.

[Jimbo]

How about we worry about the next level when (if) we hoist ourselves out of the mire we're currently in? Any incoming manager has a huge task on his hands just to stop us sinking further. The notion that Moyes could even consider dropping down a division to be with us is hugely encouraging. It could be so much worse.

[WarszaVillan]

You know sometimes someone visits another club's forum and reports back how deluded they are, with various choice quotes?

Someone's definitely doing that to this thread. Glass ceiling at 6th. Man alive

Why?  Our new owner has a stated aim of getting us back to that point and getting regular European football.  Given that I think it's fair to look at the candidates and see if they'd be capable of delivering in that context as well as where we are.  " of the biggest critics of Moyes in the last few pages have myself and monty and both of us have said that he's fine for where we are but the worry is how we'd handle him when he reaches the point that he's capped at before and how much of the squad he created would be suitable to go on to the next level.

If someone from another club comes on and thinks that deserves us taking the piss then so be it but it is a valid discussion.

On top of that, my other worry, as I've said all along, is that the Moyes we'd be getting isn't the same guy that Everton had but rather a guy who has failed at the biggest job he'll ever get and failed in his first attempted comeback.  I'm not saying this should block the move completely but we shouldn't pretend it isn't a risk.

The argument that Moyes may not be able to repeat what he did at Everton is a legitimate one and there should be some concerns about this. However, the idea that we should worry that he will only make us into a top six Premier League side is bizzare.

[DB]

Some people don't realise we are in the Championship next season and getting out is not going to be easy or a formality. Reality check.

[Jon Crofts]

Some people don't realise we are in the Championship next season and getting out is not going to be easy or a formality. Reality check.

Are we?  Someone should have said.
Attracting someone other than a McCarthy, Bruce or Phil Brown to a Championship side will take some doing even if it's Villa these days.

[DB]

Some people don't realise we are in the Championship next season and getting out is not going to be easy or a formality. Reality check.

Are we?  Someone should have said.
Attracting someone other than a McCarthy, Bruce or Phil Brown to a Championship side will take some doing even if it's Villa these days.

Yes. I agree...sarcasm aside. See you up the Witton for Burton Albion!

[Pete]

How about we worry about the next level when (if) we hoist ourselves out of the mire we're currently in? Any incoming manager has a huge task on his hands just to stop us sinking further. The notion that Moyes could even consider dropping down a division to be with us is hugely encouraging. It could be so much worse.

Completely agree. If we finish 12th in the premier league in two, or even three, years time I'll be delighted.

[Villa in Denmark]

There isn't a manager we could realistically appoint from where we are now that would tick all of the desirable boxes of

1. some experience of the championship
2. should be capable of keeping us up if we get promoted
3. should be capable of establishing us as an upper mid table side
4. should be capable of challenging at the very top if funding is available.

Moyes comfortably ticks the first 3 boxes and right now achieving 1 and 2 are the most important. Just winning more than we lose will buy him a bit of time. Also it's not like we're talking about excising our eyeballs with pointy sticks to appoint Pulis. His teams might not be fantastic to watch, but they're infinitely better than anything we've had to endure since the last couple of months of Houllier/Mcallister, with the exception of a couple of games under Nice but Tim.

Ironically if Benitez stays at Newcastle they might just have the best bet to get up the table and stay there, if they can get out at the first attempt.

Moyes? Not the most exciting prospect from a footballing perspective right now, based on his Everton teams, but should be more than capable of building a team to get us up and comfortably stay up.
He should also tick the biggest box on the checklist. Someone with the experience and gravitas to sort out whatever the hell is going on behind the scenes and either despatch the likes of Richards and Agbonlahor in  record time or at least knock them into shape so that they aren't disruptive influences so that we've actually got a squad that will pull together.

Unless there's a real left field candidate out there that we'd be mad to turn down like Unai Emery is suddenly desperate to move to England, Moyes is the obvious, albeit safe choice.