Manager for next season

[PeterWithesShin]

Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?

For what it is worth - a view from Goodison

Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.

He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.

His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.

In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.

He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:

The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.

Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:

[DaventryVillain]

I'm normally a reader only but thought I needed to share this with you. My mate works at King Power on the maintenance team and has nothing but bad stuff to say about Pearson. What the players think of him I don't know but around the rest of the staff at Leicester the bloke really wasn't liked. Just one instance to give you an idea of what he's like. Christmas party, all the office, maintenance staff etc all there and Pearson turns to a young admin girl, tells her go him a drink, she says no and he starts effing  n blinding, who does she think she is, he can get her sacked etc. He really wasn't popular at all there, nasty piece of work. If you're happy for bloke like that at our club then fair do's, but would sit bit uneasy with me. Think we can do better can't we??

[Concrete John]

Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?

For what it is worth - a view from Goodison

Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.

He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.

His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.

In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.

He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:

The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.

Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:

All sounds very MON-like, doesn't it?

[ozzjim]

I'm normally a reader only but thought I needed to share this with you. My mate works at King Power on the maintenance team and has nothing but bad stuff to say about Pearson. What the players think of him I don't know but around the rest of the staff at Leicester the bloke really wasn't liked. Just one instance to give you an idea of what he's like. Christmas party, all the office, maintenance staff etc all there and Pearson turns to a young admin girl, tells her go him a drink, she says no and he starts effing  n blinding, who does she think she is, he can get her sacked etc. He really wasn't popular at all there, nasty piece of work. If you're happy for bloke like that at our club then fair do's, but would sit bit uneasy with me. Think we can do better can't we??

The worst thing is nothing in there surprises me at all about him. He just exudes "twat" from the way he handles himself.

[ozzjim]

Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?

For what it is worth - a view from Goodison

Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.

He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.

His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.

In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.

He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:

The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.

Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:

All sounds very MON-like, doesn't it?

It does. But then Lambert completely lost his way tactically, and Garde never found his, while Sherwood picked a different team and formation every week. In time, we need to be flexible but his record with youth there might appear rubbish, but 1 decent youth player per season isn't too bad. I am sure he brought through Coleman too didn't he there? Anyway, if he can find the likes of Jagielka for a 3 million, or Arteta, or Pienaar etc, then he can clearly manage on a budget. I think bringing through the youth would be part of the remit in any discussions, so might well be either something he has to adapt too, or becomes a deal breaker for the board.

[Concrete John]

Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?

For what it is worth - a view from Goodison

Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.

He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.

His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.

In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.

He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:

The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.

Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:

All sounds very MON-like, doesn't it?

It does. But then Lambert completely lost his way tactically, and Garde never found his, while Sherwood picked a different team and formation every week. In time, we need to be flexible but his record with youth there might appear rubbish, but 1 decent youth player per season isn't too bad. I am sure he brought through Coleman too didn't he there? Anyway, if he can find the likes of Jagielka for a 3 million, or Arteta, or Pienaar etc, then he can clearly manage on a budget. I think bringing through the youth would be part of the remit in any discussions, so might well be either something he has to adapt too, or becomes a deal breaker for the board.

I wasn't knocking it - I think what we need most now is a steady hand.

The youth thing doesn't worry me as Lambert had a remit to use them despite whether they were good enough or not.  With Everton under Moyes, how many underused or discarded youth players went on to much?  Genuine question as I can't think of any.  Perhaps they just weren't good enough to get in his team.

[ozzjim]

Agreed John. If they are good enough they will come through. I know he played a rigid 4-5-1 but their football was streets better than some of the stuff we played at home under O'Neill.

[Toronto Villa]

I don't quite understand the Championship is tough and that Moyes couldn't handle it comment. Is it tougher than the PL? We've had 2 managers in McLeish and Lambert, both failures in the PL who got their teams promoted from the Championship. How tough could it really be?

[ozzjim]

When you read the background interviews and opinions in the game, there is utter respect for Moyes as a manager, as a disciplinarian and as a man. Pearson is regarded as a complete tool. If we appoint the latter when the former is available our new board are bonkers. Further Pearson spent a decent wedge at Leicester, he was very, very well backed in the Championship when they came up.

[ktvillan]

Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?

For what it is worth - a view from Goodison

Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.

He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.

His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.

In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.

He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:

The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.

Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:

All sounds very MON-like, doesn't it?

Indeed it does. And while I couldn't stand MON or his predictable and uninspiring football, I'd guess that most would gladly return to that kind of level, even if it's only because what followed has been so awful by comparison.  The other candidates are like a who's who of of barrel scrapings.  It's quite depressing that Moyes is the pick of them, with the exception of Rodgers.  I just wonder how much experience of English football in general and the Championship in particular the Watford manager had when he joined them. He's an example of why I don't buy into this narrow stereotype of the type of manager we need.   

[tomd2103]

Agreed John. If they are good enough they will come through. I know he played a rigid 4-5-1 but their football was streets better than some of the stuff we played at home under O'Neill.

Only a snapshot, but Everton under him put in one of the best performances I have seen from an away side at Villa Park in Paul Lambert's first home game.  No long ball or boring tactics, just very good passing and movement. 

Forgive me, but I'll worry about style of football when we have been safely ensconced in the Premier League for a couple of years.

[Toronto Villa]

Moyes is a builder. He'll have enough intelligence about him and ability to get us out of the Championship. While the build thereafter might be steady we will also have gradual growth and stability. We need that badly. He might not provide great football all the time, and we won't win every game but we will end the last 5 years of constant and predictable humiliation.

[ChicagoLion]

Memory might not be great TV, but didn't he bring quite a few through?

For what it is worth - a view from Goodison

Everton fan in peace, just thought I'd offer a view on Moyes for you.

He'll want to bring in his usual clique of backroom staff - Steve Round, Jimmy Lumsden, Robbie Cooke. Cooke was chief scout, Round was his Assistant Manager. I don't think an Everton or United fan could tell you what role Jimmy Lumsden plays aside from being a Lou Carpenter impersonator.

His record at bringing youth players through and managing them properly is patchy at best. He never seemed to know what to do with Barkley, Rooney hated him by the end of his time with us, he signed Stones and never played him despite us being desperately short in central defence while we had him.

In his 11 years in charge I think I'd be right in saying he gave debuts to 7 or so academy players - Rooney, James Vaughan, Victor Anichebe, Leon Osman, Jack Rodwell, Jose Baxter and Barkley. So if you're looking to him to use academy players I don't think that'd be his approach. I always thought he viewed the kids as a last resort.

He's tactically inflexible, if you get him it'll be a static 4-5-1 for eternity. Forget about game changing or system changing substitutions as well, he'll dither with them as much as he does in the transfer market meaning you'll miss out on obtainable targets. Some of the players you've said in here you don't like are definite Moyes type players, this is the man who gave Anichebe 167 games at Everton :uhoh:

The Championship's a tough division, I don't think Moyes could handle it in all honesty - that division demands a manager who's been there and done it, Moyes hasn't managed there for about 14 years now.

Hope you get yourselves sorted, I've always enjoyed my visits to Villa Park over the years :thumbup:

I share this Evertonians view of Moyes,he is a very limited Manager. I think he would stabilise us but we need more than that to get out of Division 2.
There was the same sort of love in over Lambert and look where that got us.

[dave.woodhall]

I've said it elsewhere and I'll say it here. Why is it that the Championship is the only division where "previous experience" is so vital? Nobody says it about the Premier League.

[ChicagoLion]

Well done Andy' give him the job.