Manager for next season

[gpbarr]

If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.

Intent to what?

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.

Its a lottery. 

It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.

I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.

Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.

The point about a "big name" I grant. But I fail to see the logic behind the argument of a calculated risk. Throw every sort of calculation in, and at the end of the day its still a lottery. Ergo Moyes to Man U - he had managed a big club well in the PL (tick the box), had managed a young, vibrant, lower league team through promotion (Preston NE), he was recommended for the job by non other than Sir AF (can't argue he was about as well qualified as any footballing mind to make such a recommendation), and he was primed & ready. It was calculated yes - the result of course is now history. One could argue the same of McLeish when he was appointed (also recommended by Sir AF) but again a spectacular disaster. One might even say thats true of Garde - solid track record (albeit outside British football), managed well on a budget, recommended by Arsene Wenger, yet it seems about 50% of our fans now think that after 6 months he's unqualified and should be sacked.

Its a lottery. Which is why the "love in" mimics past "love ins" which have not ended well. 

By that reckoning though, it makes no difference whether we have Alex Ferguson or John Carver in charge. In reality, you can appoint either, but you know you are taking more of a risk with one than the other.

I disagree. Thats the whole point. Carver or Ferguson may or may not work. The "risk" is purely conceptual because as has been proven many times before, big names don't guarantee anything more than other names. 

[Dave]

He also recouped a lot of money on transfers for players. Lescott and Rodwell immediately come to mind. I'm sure there were others.

And he has also picked up some good players from lower-division clubs and turned them into internationals; Baines and Jagielka being two off the top of my head.

Rooney?

Rooney came through the youth set up and was identified from a very young age as a future star.  I still remember watching the youth team cup final when Villa beat Everton, but Rooney stood out like a beacon as by far the best player on the field.  So good in fact I went to fetch my wife to show her - she hates football but I had to tell someone about him.  I don't think Moyes can take too much credit for picking him.  Not that I'm against him as manager mind.

I think he means him in the column of players sold for big transfer fees.

[fbriai]

If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.

Intent to what?

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.

Its a lottery. 

It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.

I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.

Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.

The point about a "big name" I grant. But I fail to see the logic behind the argument of a calculated risk. Throw every sort of calculation in, and at the end of the day its still a lottery. Ergo Moyes to Man U - he had managed a big club well in the PL (tick the box), had managed a young, vibrant, lower league team through promotion (Preston NE), he was recommended for the job by non other than Sir AF (can't argue he was about as well qualified as any footballing mind to make such a recommendation), and he was primed & ready. It was calculated yes - the result of course is now history. One could argue the same of McLeish when he was appointed (also recommended by Sir AF) but again a spectacular disaster. One might even say thats true of Garde - solid track record (albeit outside British football), managed well on a budget, recommended by Arsene Wenger, yet it seems about 50% of our fans now think that after 6 months he's unqualified and should be sacked.

Its a lottery. Which is why the "love in" mimics past "love ins" which have not ended well. 

By that reckoning though, it makes no difference whether we have Alex Ferguson or John Carver in charge. In reality, you can appoint either, but you know you are taking more of a risk with one than the other.

I disagree. Thats the whole point. Carver or Ferguson may or may not work. The "risk" is purely conceptual because as has been proven many times before, big names don't guarantee anything more than other names. 

It's an interesting point, GPB. I'm not sure it's as straightforward as that, but it is an interesting way to look at it.

[dave.woodhall]

We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.

Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.

When Sir Graham arrived there was a bit of dissent over his football, which was unfairly regarded as long ball, and he never fully lost that reputation.

True and it's a shame that he got got the accolades he deserved. Not once but twice he got a team promoted and followed that up by almost winning the league. Taking a club like Watford from the old 4th Division to Runners-up in the 1st in 6 years will never be repeated, nevermind what he did with us. The fact he turned down the Baggies to join Watford in the 4th Division has always been another reason to admire the man.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Moyes has never particularly inspired me at any time in his managerial career. However, he would probably do an effective job of bringing our players back to the basics that they need: hard to beat, good on set pieces and good on game management. He would also ensure that our media profile does not suffer.
Since he is out of work, getting a pre-engagement contract done would make sense, to give him time to run a thorough rule over what we curently have and what we will need; without the tarnish if the current chaos.

He wouldn't necessarily be my choice but he'd do a decent job. Redemption all round.

Can't argue with that, Mister E.

[Chris Jameson]

IF Garde isn't going to be our manager I'd be delighted with Moyes, especially given the alternatives.

[cdward]

David Moyes would be fantastic, please make this happen.

If he is genuinely interested, and the board decide that Garde is not good enough then fine. But he is not a Mourinho or Guardiola, nothing is guaranteed.
I just can't get excited about sacking one manager because he has had a bad few months, and replacing him with one who has also had a bad few months.

[Deano's Mullet]

Moyes please. All the talk on Facebook is that he does want the job. We'll see

[Des Little]

I think given our current situation, if someone like Moyes genuinely DOES want to come, then it's a gift from God.  I simply cannot understand why anyone wouldn't want him here.  Then again it's all about opinion...

[Toronto Villa]

Replace Garde with Pearson, Pulis, Warnock or any other has been or never were, give me Garde. Replace Garde with Moyes, give me Moyes all day long.

We are where we are and if the best manager is available for the circumstance we find ourselves in, don't miss the opportunity.

[AVH87]

Could be very clever timing from Moyes, looking to come in when we are at our lowest point, rather than taking it when Garde did or at any earlier point we may have expressed an interest. If he gets us up and stabilises us in the Prem he'll win plenty of plaudits.

[Ads]

We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?

I don't get it either.

As somebody else pointed out, if you wanted a signal that we still think we're a big club and that we're prepared to try and act the part again, getting a manager as well known and in my view, as good as Moyes, would be a big step towards that.

[Ron Manager]

We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?

I don't get it either.

As somebody else pointed out, if you wanted a signal that we still think we're a big club and that we're prepared to try and act the part again, getting a manager as well known and in my view, as good as Moyes, would be a big step towards that.

and I agree with you.

[Toronto Villa]

We're in the Championship, a number of our supporters think we're headed down again, and wanting Moyes is even an argument?

I don't get it either.

As somebody else pointed out, if you wanted a signal that we still think we're a big club and that we're prepared to try and act the part again, getting a manager as well known and in my view, as good as Moyes, would be a big step towards that.

For me, appointing Moyes would be filed with the common sense decisions seemingly being made at board level. Get solid people in who understand the game, the industry and how to correct a very difficult situation off the field. Do likewise on the field.