Manager for next season

[SheffieldVillain]

If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.

Intent to what?

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.

Its a lottery. 

Intent to bring in someone perceived as a big hitter who has been at big clubs, rather than scraping the bottom of the barrel for the cheapest option such as Nigel Pearson (for example). You're right though that big name doesn't guarantee anything.

[mallo]

If Moyes is willing to manage in the Championship then I vote for him - most experience by a mile and won't be overawed by us like Lambert. A concern would be his tendency to go for crosses into the centre, which bears considerably less fruit than playing through the middle, but this is the championship and we have justhead. Sort the defence and get 2 quick wingers who can cross and we should be up there.

[fbriai]

If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.

Intent to what?

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.

Its a lottery. 

It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.

I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.

Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.

[sid1964]

Haven't we still got a Manager?

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I'd be delighted with finishing 4th, 5th or 6th, but that wouldn't be the bench mark I'd judge him on currently should he get the job; simply being promoted would be a start.

[dave.woodhall]

Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.

Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.

When Sir Graham arrived there was a bit of dissent over his football, which was unfairly regarded as long ball, and he never fully lost that reputation.

[tomd2103]

Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.

Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.

When Sir Graham arrived there was a bit of dissent over his football, which was unfairly regarded as long ball, and he never fully lost that reputation.

I remember him being perceived somewhat as a 'long ball' manager.  To be fair we did use the diagonal ball for knock downs from Omondroyd quite often and to good effect at times. 

[Chico Hamilton III]

Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.

Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.

When Sir Graham arrived there was a bit of dissent over his football, which was unfairly regarded as long ball, and he never fully lost that reputation.

I remember him being perceived somewhat as a 'long ball' manager.  To be fair we did use the diagonal ball for knock downs from Omondroyd quite often and to good effect at times. 

He called them long passes, not long balls

[ozzjim]

Moyes' Everton were tough to beat, but also played some really decent stuff at times, but struggled to find that striker to take them from good to top 4 challengers. Lukaku in there previous team would have been interesting.

[gpbarr]

If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.

Intent to what?

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.

Its a lottery. 

It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.

I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.

Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.

The point about a "big name" I grant. But I fail to see the logic behind the argument of a calculated risk. Throw every sort of calculation in, and at the end of the day its still a lottery. Ergo Moyes to Man U - he had managed a big club well in the PL (tick the box), had managed a young, vibrant, lower league team through promotion (Preston NE), he was recommended for the job by non other than Sir AF (can't argue he was about as well qualified as any footballing mind to make such a recommendation), and he was primed & ready. It was calculated yes - the result of course is now history. One could argue the same of McLeish when he was appointed (also recommended by Sir AF) but again a spectacular disaster. One might even say thats true of Garde - solid track record (albeit outside British football), managed well on a budget, recommended by Arsene Wenger, yet it seems about 50% of our fans now think that after 6 months he's unqualified and should be sacked.

Its a lottery. Which is why the "love in" mimics past "love ins" which have not ended well. 

 

[Mister E]

He also recouped a lot of money on transfers for players. Lescott and Rodwell immediately come to mind. I'm sure there were others.

And he has also picked up some good players from lower-division clubs and turned them into internationals; Baines and Jagielka being two off the top of my head.

Rooney?

[rob_bridge]

Moyes' Everton were tough to beat, but also played some really decent stuff at times, but struggled to find that striker to take them from good to top 4 challengers. Lukaku in there previous team would have been interesting.

Indeed their real problem was against the very best teams which I think was in part due to his psychology - I think that Shitbag Ferdinand said so when he joined Yah-ni-ted said he focused too much on opposition.

If our problems was just when playing the top 5 or 6 in the country I'd bee more than happy.

[Mister E]

Garde is, I think, a dead man walking.
Moyes has never particularly inspired me at any time in his managerial career. However, he would probably do an effective job of bringing our players back to the basics that they need: hard to beat, good on set pieces and good on game management. He would also ensure that our media profile does not suffer.
Since he is out of work, getting a pre-engagement contract done would make sense, to give him time to run a thorough rule over what we curently have and what we will need; without the tarnish if the current chaos.

He wouldn't necessarily be my choice but he'd do a decent job. Redemption all round.

[chrisw1]

He also recouped a lot of money on transfers for players. Lescott and Rodwell immediately come to mind. I'm sure there were others.

And he has also picked up some good players from lower-division clubs and turned them into internationals; Baines and Jagielka being two off the top of my head.

Rooney?

Rooney came through the youth set up and was identified from a very young age as a future star.  I still remember watching the youth team cup final when Villa beat Everton, but Rooney stood out like a beacon as by far the best player on the field.  So good in fact I went to fetch my wife to show her - she hates football but I had to tell someone about him.  I don't think Moyes can take too much credit for picking him.  Not that I'm against him as manager mind.

[fbriai]

If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.

Intent to what?

Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline.

Its a lottery. 

It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.

I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.

Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.

The point about a "big name" I grant. But I fail to see the logic behind the argument of a calculated risk. Throw every sort of calculation in, and at the end of the day its still a lottery. Ergo Moyes to Man U - he had managed a big club well in the PL (tick the box), had managed a young, vibrant, lower league team through promotion (Preston NE), he was recommended for the job by non other than Sir AF (can't argue he was about as well qualified as any footballing mind to make such a recommendation), and he was primed & ready. It was calculated yes - the result of course is now history. One could argue the same of McLeish when he was appointed (also recommended by Sir AF) but again a spectacular disaster. One might even say thats true of Garde - solid track record (albeit outside British football), managed well on a budget, recommended by Arsene Wenger, yet it seems about 50% of our fans now think that after 6 months he's unqualified and should be sacked.

Its a lottery. Which is why the "love in" mimics past "love ins" which have not ended well. 

By that reckoning though, it makes no difference whether we have Alex Ferguson or John Carver in charge. In reality, you can appoint either, but you know you are taking more of a risk with one than the other.