Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 24, 2016, 01:33:30 PMIf Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent. Intent to what?Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline. Its a lottery.
If Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent.
Quote from: gpbarr on March 24, 2016, 01:38:36 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on March 24, 2016, 01:33:30 PMIf Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent. Intent to what?Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline. Its a lottery. It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 24, 2016, 12:59:21 PMEverything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.
Everything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on March 24, 2016, 01:10:51 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on March 24, 2016, 12:59:21 PMEverything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.When Sir Graham arrived there was a bit of dissent over his football, which was unfairly regarded as long ball, and he never fully lost that reputation.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on March 24, 2016, 02:01:10 PMQuote from: Rudy Can't Fail on March 24, 2016, 01:10:51 PMQuote from: dave.woodhall on March 24, 2016, 12:59:21 PMEverything I'm reading on this thread (with the exception of needing to rebuild his reputation) could have been said about Sir Graham.Taylor's Watford were an exciting, attacking team with Barnes and Blissett ripping up the league. His record at Watford is one of great achievement. Moyes' Everton on the other hand were always tough to beat.When Sir Graham arrived there was a bit of dissent over his football, which was unfairly regarded as long ball, and he never fully lost that reputation.I remember him being perceived somewhat as a 'long ball' manager. To be fair we did use the diagonal ball for knock downs from Omondroyd quite often and to good effect at times.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on March 24, 2016, 01:40:52 PMQuote from: gpbarr on March 24, 2016, 01:38:36 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on March 24, 2016, 01:33:30 PMIf Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent. Intent to what?Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline. Its a lottery. It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent. I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.
He also recouped a lot of money on transfers for players. Lescott and Rodwell immediately come to mind. I'm sure there were others.And he has also picked up some good players from lower-division clubs and turned them into internationals; Baines and Jagielka being two off the top of my head.
Moyes' Everton were tough to beat, but also played some really decent stuff at times, but struggled to find that striker to take them from good to top 4 challengers. Lukaku in there previous team would have been interesting.
Quote from: fbriai on March 24, 2016, 01:28:55 PMHe also recouped a lot of money on transfers for players. Lescott and Rodwell immediately come to mind. I'm sure there were others.And he has also picked up some good players from lower-division clubs and turned them into internationals; Baines and Jagielka being two off the top of my head.Rooney?
Quote from: fbriai on March 24, 2016, 01:46:19 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on March 24, 2016, 01:40:52 PMQuote from: gpbarr on March 24, 2016, 01:38:36 PMQuote from: PaulWinch again on March 24, 2016, 01:33:30 PMIf Garde does go I'd be delighted with Moyes, because as much as anything it's a sign of intent. Intent to what?Past performance is no guarantee of future performance. He did very well at PNE & Everton no doubt, but equally of no doubt he bombed at ManU and at RS. He may very well work out well, equally he may very well oversee a continued decline. Its a lottery. It's always a lottery it doesn't matter who you appoint, but you honestly believe that hiring Moyes wouldn't be seen as a coup for Villa in the footballing world? It obviously would, and that's what I mean by intent. I understand the point, but it's not really a lottery. That implies just throwing a load of names up in the air and picking one out at random.Whoever they appoint or whether they decide to stick with Garde, it's a risk, but it's a calculated risk.The point about a "big name" I grant. But I fail to see the logic behind the argument of a calculated risk. Throw every sort of calculation in, and at the end of the day its still a lottery. Ergo Moyes to Man U - he had managed a big club well in the PL (tick the box), had managed a young, vibrant, lower league team through promotion (Preston NE), he was recommended for the job by non other than Sir AF (can't argue he was about as well qualified as any footballing mind to make such a recommendation), and he was primed & ready. It was calculated yes - the result of course is now history. One could argue the same of McLeish when he was appointed (also recommended by Sir AF) but again a spectacular disaster. One might even say thats true of Garde - solid track record (albeit outside British football), managed well on a budget, recommended by Arsene Wenger, yet it seems about 50% of our fans now think that after 6 months he's unqualified and should be sacked.Its a lottery. Which is why the "love in" mimics past "love ins" which have not ended well.