Manager for next season

[PaulWinch again]

He stayed confident & consistent & resilient all season as newly promoted Leicester stayed in the bottom 3 & was proved right when it clicked, they got to grips with the Premier League & shot up the table late. Neither Moyes nor Di Matteo have any similar track record.

Moyes hasn't really had that opportunity though has he?


And the very last thing Villa need is to train a manager how to get promoted from Div 2.

See my earlier post, you get promoted from the Championship exactly the same way you become successful in the Premier League, You win games.

[paulcomben]

He stayed confident & consistent & resilient all season as newly promoted Leicester stayed in the bottom 3 & was proved right when it clicked, they got to grips with the Premier League & shot up the table late. Neither Moyes nor Di Matteo have any similar track record.

Moyes hasn't really had that opportunity though has he?


And the very last thing Villa need is to train a manager how to get promoted from Div 2.

See my earlier post, you get promoted from the Championship exactly the same way you become successful in the Premier League, You win games.

Which means knowing: how to get the right players, getting tactics right, how the other teams play, what the stadia & crowds are like, how to cope with 46 matches, maybe getting through play off matches and other stuff in which Pearson is a professor & Moyes is a schoolboy.

[olaftab]

Moyse's entire achievements are confined to winning promotion from 3rd to 2nd division with PNE as far as I know so I really don't know why he is rated so highly by the press.

[SheffieldVillain]

He stayed confident & consistent & resilient all season as newly promoted Leicester stayed in the bottom 3 & was proved right when it clicked, they got to grips with the Premier League & shot up the table late. Neither Moyes nor Di Matteo have any similar track record.

Moyes hasn't really had that opportunity though has he?


And the very last thing Villa need is to train a manager how to get promoted from Div 2.

See my earlier post, you get promoted from the Championship exactly the same way you become successful in the Premier League, You win games.

Which means knowing: how to get the right players, getting tactics right, how the other teams play, what the stadia & crowds are like, how to cope with 46 matches, maybe getting through play off matches and other stuff in which Pearson is a professor & Moyes is a schoolboy.

In that case, that makes Neil Warnock and Steve Bruce world-leading experts since Pearson has only managed one promotion in a fair few attempts.

[boozey182]

I'm confused, are we keen on Pearson because he'll terrify the players, or because they'll all love him? And we don't like Moyes because he likes to plan for the long term and makes teams difficult to beat, right? I think the week's events might be getting the better of us.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Moyse's entire achievements are confined to winning promotion from 3rd to 2nd division with PNE as far as I know so I really don't know why he is rated so highly by the press.

He kept Everton as a dull middle of the table side on less money than Liverpool seems to be why he is rated. I dont really get it either. Its not like the football his teams play is very interesting either. In his past two jobs he has been a spectacular failure. I do wonder if Tony X just looks at the names befor ehim and see " this one won this, this one won that, that one never won anything, I will pick a winner thanks."  Which seems a reasonable perspective tbf.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Winning is what you need to be successful, be that grinding wins out or winning easily. I always find it odd that some people seem to think that the Championship operates in some sort of parallel footballing universe. It doesn't, it's a bit like the Premier League only worse and a bit like League 1 only better. There is no reason why someone who was really pretty successful in the Premier League wouldn't be more than equipped to deal with the Championship.

It could be argued it is a "parallel footballing universe" to the PL as unless you're in the top two at the end of the season, you're just making up the numbers (one of play-off teams apart). It's winner takes all. Can Moyes be a winner? I have very serious doubts.

[paulcomben]

One promotion & a title winning squad. He only left LCFC on a matter of principle for his son. Moyes led Preston to the Division Two title in 1999-2000 and the Division One play-off final the following season. 15 years ago. I would be happy with either but Moyes has gone backwards for 2-3 seasons now.

[SheffieldVillain]

One promotion & a title winning squad. He only left LCFC on a matter of principle for his son. Moyes led Preston to the Division Two title in 1999-2000 and the Division One play-off final the following season. 15 years ago. I would be happy with either but Moyes has gone backwards for 2-3 seasons now.

He didn't leave on a matter of principle. He was sacked because the owners couldn't work with him, after a number of problems. Same as Milan Mandaric in his first spell, same as the owners at Hull.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11709435/Nigel-Pearson-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Moyse's entire achievements are confined to winning promotion from 3rd to 2nd division with PNE as far as I know so I really don't know why he is rated so highly by the press.

He kept Everton as a dull middle of the table side on less money than Liverpool seems to be why he is rated. I dont really get it either. Its not like the football his teams play is very interesting either. In his past two jobs he has been a spectacular failure. I do wonder if Tony X just looks at the names befor ehim and see " this one won this, this one won that, that one never won anything, I will pick a winner thanks."  Which seems a reasonable perspective tbf.

Tony Xia spoke about bringing through the youngsters - something despite the talent he was very reluctant to do with Everton, much to the frustration of their fans.

[Monty]

One promotion & a title winning squad. He only left LCFC on a matter of principle for his son. Moyes led Preston to the Division Two title in 1999-2000 and the Division One play-off final the following season. 15 years ago. I would be happy with either but Moyes has gone backwards for 2-3 seasons now.

Given what his son did and said, that's a principle which would rule him out of being hired by Tony. Fortunately for Pearson, he didn't seem to pleased by what his son did either - or you would hope.

[PaulWinch again]

Moyse's entire achievements are confined to winning promotion from 3rd to 2nd division with PNE as far as I know so I really don't know why he is rated so highly by the press.

He kept Everton as a dull middle of the table side on less money than Liverpool seems to be why he is rated. I dont really get it either. Its not like the football his teams play is very interesting either. In his past two jobs he has been a spectacular failure. I do wonder if Tony X just looks at the names befor ehim and see " this one won this, this one won that, that one never won anything, I will pick a winner thanks."  Which seems a reasonable perspective tbf.

'dull mid-table' sorry but finishing 4th-6th is not mid table. I'll agree that he didn't have a great time in Spain, but calling his time at Manure as a spectacular failure seems odd given how much Van Gaal has spent since going there and achieved not much more.

[paulcomben]

One promotion & a title winning squad. He only left LCFC on a matter of principle for his son. Moyes led Preston to the Division Two title in 1999-2000 and the Division One play-off final the following season. 15 years ago. I would be happy with either but Moyes has gone backwards for 2-3 seasons now.

He didn't leave on a matter of principle. He was sacked because the owners couldn't work with him, after a number of problems. Same as Milan Mandaric in his first spell, same as the owners at Hull.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11709435/Nigel-Pearson-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html

You believe what you read in the papers?! I have been told in confidence what actually happened by an insider.

[cdbearsfan]

Why did they only play well enough to finish fourteenth under him then? They won the league as soon as he fucked off.

To be fair 14th was a bloody good finish for them in that first season up.

The position they've just finished in proves, conclusively, that fourteenth was about a million miles away from a "bloody good finish".

[SheffieldVillain]

One promotion & a title winning squad. He only left LCFC on a matter of principle for his son. Moyes led Preston to the Division Two title in 1999-2000 and the Division One play-off final the following season. 15 years ago. I would be happy with either but Moyes has gone backwards for 2-3 seasons now.

He didn't leave on a matter of principle. He was sacked because the owners couldn't work with him, after a number of problems. Same as Milan Mandaric in his first spell, same as the owners at Hull.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/leicester-city/11709435/Nigel-Pearson-sacked-by-Leicester-City.html

You believe what you read in the papers?! I have been told in confidence what actually happened by an insider.

With the greatest respect to you and your insider, until I hear other than someone I don't know quoting an unnamed source on an internet message board, then yes I would place greater credence on the widely reported version of events.