Manager for next season

[ciggiesnbeer]

Good points. I dont really rate Moyes as the kind of football I want to see us play, but I cant deny he is a big manager name and it would be a statement of intent if Tony X gets him.

It would be refreshing to have a manager join us who is clearly not a gamble on an up and comer like our past three managers.

I would still be over the moon with a genuinely exciting appointment like Bielsa but its probably too much to ask for him to drop down a level I suppose.

[PaulWinch again]

I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.

Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.

[paul_e]

I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.

Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.

We got a take before where there was lots of talk about breaking into the top 4, after 3 top 6s in the first four years this site was full of people complaining about MON.  That's the point, Moyes for 2-3 seasons would be ok, after that is the problem.

[Ian.]

I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.

Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.

We got a take before where there was lots of talk about breaking into the top 4, after 3 top 6s in the first four years this site was full of people complaining about MON.  That's the point, Moyes for 2-3 seasons would be ok, after that is the problem.

If we can believe anything we hear in the press Moyes has said there will be 3 transitions, I'm sure from what Dr Tony has said if he does not fulfil the targets he'll be out the door. Hopefully the Dr is going to want more and more like us fans too.

[aj2k77]

In our position I really doubt we'd be able to attract a manager who can get us promoted, in to the top 6 and then make the step on from that. He'd be some manager.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.

Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.

This may interest you, Everton fans discuss the possibility of Moyes returning to Goodison. Clicky

[Dave P]

I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.

Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.

This may interest you, Everton fans discuss the possibility of Moyes returning to Goodison. Clicky

Those Evertonian responses would mirror ours if we were linked with O'Neill again.

[dave.woodhall]

I'd love for us to hit the plateau that Moyes did with Everton.

Me too. I think people are ignoring what an absolute state we're in. If, within five years, we're regularly finishing 6th in the top flight I'll be pretty happy.

This may interest you, Everton fans discuss the possibility of Moyes returning to Goodison. Clicky

"Stabilised us but couldn't take us any further"

I'd take the stabilising he did for them in a heartbeat and so, I'd guess, would any rational Villa supporter. 

 

[ozzjim]

The defensive thing just doesn't wash with stats either.

[Matt C]

The glass ceiling of the Premier League top six feels like a fantasy galaxy far, far away at the moment and one that sounds rather appealing.

[ozzjim]

It is interesting this idea of defensive and dour football. Apart from 1 season where they averaged jut over a goal a game at home, in nearly every season he was at Everton they were over 1.5 goals on average at home each week, with his last 4-5 seasons edging up over 1.7. In 6 of those seasons they would have been safe from home points alone pretty much, with a further 2 over 30 points in that time. Defensively they were exceptional too.

For all the worry about his style of play, and formations, and being rigid, if he came here it would be a massive coup, because he is a very, very good manager and could be very stabilising in the long term. Any manager that can come in and get us over 30 points a season at home to start with gets my vote.

Going back to the shots think Chicago raised, between 06 and 12, his team averaged over 10 shots at goal per game at home scoring around 33 a season, only dipping below 30 once in that time. By contrast, we only nudged over 30 once in that time. Basically, compared to what we have seen in the last even 10 years, Moyes has done better, with at times less resources, and scored more goals while conceding less doing it. He is 53 in a couple of weeks. If we don't get him this time, we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

I posted this a while back. Moyes' teams were more entertaining than MONs were on goals scored etc and much better at home.

[Dante Lavelli]

I don't want to be misunderstood, so I'll start off by saying that I think Moyes is a very good candidate for the immediate job that needs doing. He'll do it in his own way, about which more later, but I'm sure he can get us organised, focused and promoted, which is the most important thing. Make no mistake, we're in Purgatory at the moment, and need to get out of it as soon as possible, and nothing else matters this season...

I know what you mean Monty. As you say, there is an opportunity here to really adopt a new sort of ethos at the club, a more progressive approach. And while I have a lot of time for Moyes, and I would most certainly welcome him as a capable manager, there's something vaguely MON-esque about him. To me, he's a bit conservative.

The thinking man's Alex McLeish.

That sums him up pretty well. 

I think his strength at Everton was to build a solid platform, which admittedly never looked like threatening the top 4 on a year by year basis.  The caveat, a big one, is that he rarely had the opportunity to buy more than one £10m+ player each window (nowadays £20+ players) whereas hopefully the new chap can provide this 'war chest'.  Therefore I think it is unfair to say he has a natural ceiling as he's never really had the opportunity t demonstrate otherwise (I do not count Man U).

More importantly, give him a four year deal, and if he's close to the perceived ceiling he'll have done an incredible job.

[aj2k77]

I thought Everton didn't score many under him? The season they finished 4th especially, didn't they only score  40 goals or something?

[Malandro]

"hope we are looking to be better than 5/6 type. Team"

Good for them - we are in the Championship, with the poorest squad of all the relegated teams.

[supertom]

I thought Everton didn't score many under him? The season they finished 4th especially, didn't they only score  40 goals or something?

They seemed to win every game 1-0 that season, and not concede too many if they lost. That said, whilst they were never prolific (we've rarely been) but he got them effective with set pieces and started to get a lot of goals from their midfield.