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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on March 07, 2015, 07:28:11 PM
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Brilliant second half, great team talk by Tim and tactics to break them down. Spoilt at the end by our own supporters. Really, really hope nothing kicks off afterwards, because that would be really sad. We're in the SF only, not the final. It's all a bit small time.
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Bradford or Reading please at Wembley
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Great second half, totally fucked up by a few mindless supporters. Another big fine for the club, these stupid twats need identifying and banning.
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Slightly out with my prediction but that was a totally different second half, the numpty fans need to keep off the fucking pitch, we've won f.a at the moment ::)
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Bastards. They've made me care again.
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Terrible first half from Villa, maybe Cleverley apart. Top second half, much more energy, passion and ability.
Football fans are dicks, even the guy with a dildo strapped to his head, big dick
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The second half was fucking ace. Then drunk no-teethed wankers ruined it.
Off to Wembley, put the Bitters in their place without our "only player". I should be turning cartwheels. But i'm fucked off as well with them tossers. Please, a fine and a fine only.
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Good second half. Sinclair, Gabby and Zogbia all played well. Delph was superb. Well deserved.
Those idiots invading the pitch before the end should be ashamed. I'm just glad the officials didn't decide to call the game off.
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We win a quarter final against a shit team and some tossers act as if we've won the treble. It's such a shame because we were ace in the second half and the gloss has been taken off it. Mind you, it'll all be forgotten about in a week or so.
But it looked awful.
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What an improvement in the second half.
As for those utter fucking idiots legging it on the pitch before full time, I hope they all get banned. Two nil up and cruising into the semi final, a minute to go and you're running on the fucking pitch?
Small time twats.
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Something to smile about after nearly 5 years of miserable football and results.
People ran on the pitch, and the commentators talk as if it's on par with a mass murder. Yes, it's not the correct way to behave, but nobody seems to have gotten hurt. Maybe I'm being too flippant, and am no way condoning it. Just a bit of reality, please.
It doesn't detract from a great win in my opinion, a much improved second half performance and some well taken goals.
Up the Villa!
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What a shame that all the talk will be about the idiots who encroached on the pitch...Ban them
Well done the Villa boys for a much improved second half
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Slightly out with my prediction but that was a totally different second half, the numpty fans need to keep off the fucking pitch, we've won f.a at the moment ::)
4 goals out.
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Early days but I may owe tactics Tim an apology
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What an improvement in the second half.
As for those utter fucking idiots legging it on the pitch before full time, I hope they all get banned. Two nil up and cruising into the semi final, a minute to go and you're running on the fucking pitch?
Small time twats.
Just about sums up my feelings.
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Sad it was ruined at the end by too many people having spent too much time in the boozer today.
Sinclair could become a really big player for us, thought he was excellent.
Okore did really well.
Delph though, was totally brilliant. A really first class performance.
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This place is going to be a lot of fun the next few days!! We now need another league win to properly start to pull away in the league, or as Sherwood puts it something from every game the rest of the way
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Pity about the invasion at the end. Maybe even that is (although unacceptable) a sign of the relief from the dross and dreariness we were served for the past few years. I'll settle for this, compared to that. UTV
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Great second 45 then the whole evening was ruined by a bunch of classless c**ts. That's what you are.
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Great second half performance, not least considering the players we've got sidelined.
Shame about the pillocks coming on the pitch, hopefully they'll just make us play the semi-final on a neutral ground
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Something to smile about after nearly 5 years of miserable football and results.
People ran on the pitch, and the commentators talk as if it's on par with a mass murder. Yes, it's not the correct way to behave, but nobody seems to have gotten hurt. Maybe I'm being too flippant, and am no way condoning it. Just a bit of reality, please.
The scenes after the final whistle the BBC was going well over the top for. Apparently it is alright for Playoff semi finals but not for this when the end result of both is a trip to Wembley.
However the twats who decided to go on before the final whistle can go fuck themselves and pay the fine between them that the club receives.
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Well done lads, great second half. Come on Blackburn tomorrow ,about time we met up again
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I don't mind the post match invasion, anyone who left the stand before the whistle went needs to be banned though. Fucking idiots.
Great second half, Tim is doing the business. Sinclair needs to bought. Very positive, could be a big player for us.
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Amazing, utterly utterly brilliant and I'm exhausted. What a night. Those scenes before the final whistle were not good, but I can empathise with the outpouring of joy after so much frustration and so many disappointments. What a season this is turning out to be!
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Great second half. Great to see he has got midfielders running forward and past they forwards. Idiot fans at end will unfortunately grab the headlines
Wat was attendance ?
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Something to smile about after nearly 5 years of miserable football and results.
People ran on the pitch, and the commentators talk as if it's on par with a mass murder. Yes, it's not the correct way to behave, but nobody seems to have gotten hurt. Maybe I'm being too flippant, and am no way condoning it. Just a bit of reality, please.
The scenes after the final whistle the BBC was going well over the top for. Apparently it is alright for Playoff semi finals but not for this when the end result of both is a trip to Wembley.
However the twats who decided to go on before the final whistle can go fuck themselves and pay the fine between them that the club receives.
Yes, I completely agree. I missed the part where fans ran on before the final whistle.
I was outside on the phone to my dad, as the girlfriend is in bed sick and didn't want to wake her further with my delight!
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there were a number of fans who left the stand in the Witton when Delph scored. I know we have all been a bit starved of success but poor really.
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1st and 2nd half night and day. They will say they should of been out of sight at half time. We took our chances they didn't. Ref awful both ways.
Pitch invasion just moronic.
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Something to smile about after nearly 5 years of miserable football and results.
People ran on the pitch, and the commentators talk as if it's on par with a mass murder. Yes, it's not the correct way to behave, but nobody seems to have gotten hurt. Maybe I'm being too flippant, and am no way condoning it. Just a bit of reality, please.
It doesn't detract from a great win in my opinion, a much improved second half performance and some well taken goals.
Up the Villa!
Good post. I also freaked out at them but mainly because it might have cost us a postponement of the match.
Yeah looking back It was just a pitch invasion, they happen all the time. Looks like nobody was hurt.
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Don't mind a pitch invasion, but wait till the final whistle ffs. Cnuts.
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We have some right 'twaats fans
Ban the ones who went on during the game
Some great performances second half
The ref was abysmal
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Lineker did soften the after match invasion, but Pearce is a mis-informed twunt. In the first minute, according to him Albion were in their change strip, & Gardner was a boyhood Villa fan (minutes after his pretty magnaminous interview, being fair). Then during the Astle applause on 9 minutes - 'it's great to see 2 London clubs pulling together'. I wish he's fuck off back there onto his provincial radio station.
Oh, & of course were ace! Both reds will be recinded.
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Chuffed with the win, the second half we really did come out looking a hell of a lot better, really happy for Sinclair to get the goal. As for those fans coming on the pitch before the match had finished, dickheads the lot of them, hope they get named and shamed and banned from going to Wembley, I can understand after the game, but that could have caused the game to be abandoned, and could still see us get fined, made to play behind closed doors. The two sending offs were both harsh, hopefully both will be turned round on appeal.
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"Boyhood fan" Lescott missing a sitter was funny too
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A great night ruined by these idiots. Can see a heavy fine coming our way and no doubt calls to kick us out the competition
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Fantastic game, players showed composure, skill and seemed to have lost the panic that used to come with opposition applying pressure.
Utter fools running onto the pitch, especially with the game still going on. Mildly embarrassing to over-celebrate a quarter final win. Made us look small-time. We should have more class than that.
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A great night ruined by these idiots. Can see a heavy fine coming our way and no doubt calls to kick us out the competition
no it will be fine. They won't kick us out. And the night hasn't been ruined, it's just taken the shine off it.
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Impressive. Well done everyone.
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Anyone got a link of the lion eating the Baggie bird (badges)someone posted on here a few days back ?
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A great night ruined by these idiots. Can see a heavy fine coming our way and no doubt calls to kick us out the competition
No it was not ruined.FULL STOP.
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Only saw second half. Moments of quality from Nzogbia, Delph and Sinclair won us the game. Sanchez coming on made us a lot more solid and West Brom ran out of ideas.
As for the toothless drunks at the end, was like a scene from the Simpsons.
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A great night ruined by these idiots. Can see a heavy fine coming our way and no doubt calls to kick us out the competition
no it will be fine. They won't kick us out. And the night hasn't been ruined, it's just taken the shine off it.
Amused by the Blues fans mocking us for invading the pitch after a quarter final win.........
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What I've loved about the last two games is by the end I do not have the urge to slag any of our players off. It feels so good to feel good about our own players again. Everyone put in a shift, and N'Zog and Cleverly rightly were applauded when they were subbed.
It sounds weird, but I'd forgotten what it's like not to be angry at my team!
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Anyone got a link of the lion eating the Baggie bird (badges)someone posted on here a few days back ?
Legion posted it in the pre match thread pal.
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A great night ruined by these idiots. Can see a heavy fine coming our way and no doubt calls to kick us out the competition
No it was not ruined.FULL STOP.
Great post Aftab. Amazing. I'll be in Europe for my sisters wedding at the end of May. If we're in the final, see you at Wembley! Hope your trip to Seoul went well mate. I'm off to bed. Great night
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Great second 45 then the whole evening was ruined by a bunch of classless c**ts. That's what you are.
Same as I'm feeling too, Jon. Wankers.
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I think this week we all felt the effect of the "bounce".
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Can we play them every week?
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Lineker did soften the after match invasion, but Pearce is a mis-informed twunt. In the first minute, according to him Albion were in their change strip, & Gardner was a boyhood Villa fan (minutes after his pretty magnaminous interview, being fair). Then during the Astle applause on 9 minutes - 'it's great to see 2 London clubs pulling together'. I wish he's fuck off back there onto his provincial radio station.
Oh, & of course were ace! Both reds will be recinded.
Nope, can't rescind second yellows.
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Anyone got a link of the lion eating the Baggie bird (badges)someone posted on here a few days back ?
here ya go!
(https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11006368_1031559653538259_8245158404846449059_n.jpg?oh=394755cc302e59893a67699feba19ed9&oe=5548C4D1)
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Lineker did soften the after match invasion, but Pearce is a mis-informed twunt. In the first minute, according to him Albion were in their change strip, & Gardner was a boyhood Villa fan (minutes after his pretty magnaminous interview, being fair). Then during the Astle applause on 9 minutes - 'it's great to see 2 London clubs pulling together'. I wish he's fuck off back there onto his provincial radio station.
Oh, & of course were ace! Both reds will be recinded.
I also heard the question, 'No Benteke - what do you make of that?' Then they talked about all our injuries to our defenders and a few minutes later said that our defence looked makeshift. We won the FA Cup 56 years ago according to them! Olsson has been at the Villa for 8 years was another gem. Pathetic.
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A great night ruined by these idiots. Can see a heavy fine coming our way and no doubt calls to kick us out the competition
No it was not ruined.FULL STOP.
Calm down, he's entitled to his opinion too.
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Anyone got a link of the lion eating the Baggie bird (badges)someone posted on here a few days back ?
here ya go!
(https://scontent-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/11006368_1031559653538259_8245158404846449059_n.jpg?oh=394755cc302e59893a67699feba19ed9&oe=5548C4D1)
Cheers
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My beer is going to taste sweet tonight. Thank you Aston Villa.
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4 goals in 2 matches. Where have Villa gone?
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4 goals in 2 matches. Where have Villa gone?
Up
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4 goals in 2 matches. Where have Villa gone?
That Villa is dead my friend. A new Villa is emerging.
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As a serving member of the Armed Forces and currently deployed overseas i cannot believe that the Villa have filled me with so much needed joy!! Not heard the Holte sound like that in a long long time!! Great second half performance overshadowed but idiots at the end. However after the last 5 years you can see why the excitement of a day out at wembley albeit in the Semi Final got a little bit too much for some!! Just hope the boys can make the final as i will be home in time for it!! UTV
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A great night ruined by these idiots. Can see a heavy fine coming our way and no doubt calls to kick us out the competition
No it was not ruined.FULL STOP.
Great post Aftab. Amazing. I'll be in Europe for my sisters wedding at the end of May. If we're in the final, see you at Wembley! Hope your trip to Seoul went well mate. I'm off to bed. Great night
Back in my hotel now Nik but can't sleep. Fucking buzzing. If you do make to Wembley let's meet up
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I'm in Abu Dhabi throughout April and May. The missus and kids are coming out for a weeks holiday from the 12th. I may have to leave them early...
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As a serving member of the Armed Forces and currently deployed overseas i cannot believe that the Villa have filled me with so much needed joy!! Not heard the Holte sound like that in a long long time!! Great second half performance overshadowed but idiots at the end. However after the last 5 years you can see why the excitement of a day out at wembley albeit in the Semi Final got a little bit too much for some!! Just hope the boys can make the final as i will be home in time for it!! UTV
Fantastic and really pleased for you.
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I'm in Abu Dhabi throughout April and May. The missus and kids are coming out for a weeks holiday from the 12th. I may have to leave them early...
You know it makes sense
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Pitch invasion = small time.
That said, I'll remember the game far more than the twats at the end.
Fab second half, marred by poor refereeing and the Jonathan Pearce / Lawrenson cringe combo.
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As a serving member of the Armed Forces and currently deployed overseas i cannot believe that the Villa have filled me with so much needed joy!! Not heard the Holte sound like that in a long long time!! Great second half performance overshadowed but idiots at the end. However after the last 5 years you can see why the excitement of a day out at wembley albeit in the Semi Final got a little bit too much for some!! Just hope the boys can make the final as i will be home in time for it!! UTV
Keep safe where ever you are........put in for some well deserved compassionate leave!!
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Pitch invasion = small time.
That said, I'll remember the game far more than the twats at the end.
Fab second half, marred by poor refereeing and the Jonathan Pearce / Lawrenson cringe combo.
I actually like Lawro, talks sense and has a bit of banter. Compare him to Phil Nev or Keown....Snore!
Pearce can do one I agree
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Stop being so fucking politically correct, yaba, yaba !!!I
The absolute relief and joy of winning this after the shit we have been fed for the last five years needed an expression that shows we as fans care.
What would you expect, a polite round of applause. get real.
no violence move on, Delph certainly seemed to enjoy it. Lerner can pay the fine, less than the cost of the balloons.
First half, did not see us having any plan, second half great. Both red cards wrong, but we won !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! onwards and upwards.
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Villa just game me a semi.
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What an improvement in the second half.
As for those utter fucking idiots legging it on the pitch before full time, I hope they all get banned. Two nil up and cruising into the semi final, a minute to go and you're running on the fucking pitch?
Small time twats.
Just about sums up my feelings.
Mine too. Pathetic.
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Pitch invasion = small time.
That said, I'll remember the game far more than the twats at the end
Fab second half, marred by poor refereeing and the Jonathan Pearce / Lawrenson cringe combo.
They spent the whole game audibly aroused by the referees performance and seemed like lovelorn, heartbroken teens when the ref started cocking up all his decisions.
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Totally agree.... Great scenes.... **** modern football! Should have waited until after the match though I agree with that.
Wemberlee
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Villa just game me a semi.
I had a tenner on us winning 2-1 with Delph scoring first.
I'd have been away with over a grand, but I'm actually delighted those twazzocks didn't score.
Today feels good. I think it should be the turning point to a good finish.
Are we destined to meet Bradford in the semi? I hope so. We need revenge.
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Stop being so fucking politically correct, yaba, yaba !!!I
The absolute relief and joy of winning this after the shit we have been fed for the last five years needed an expression that shows we as fans care.
What would you expect, a polite round of applause. get real.
no violence move on, Delph certainly seemed to enjoy it. Lerner can pay the fine, less than the cost of the balloons.
First half, did not see us having any plan, second half great. Both red cards wrong, but we won !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! onwards and upwards.
It's not coming onto the pitch at the end but during the game. that is twattish. That has potential for serious repercussions. It does nothing for us, the team, the fans, anyone. Anyone who thinks it was harmless is probably the same as someone who thinks the 8Bells at Fulham and giving the alrg'un to the residents of Putney shows how hard they are.
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Over on the Albion forum they are beating up themselves, and few if any are commenting on the pitch invasion.
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Stop being so fucking politically correct, yaba, yaba !!!I
The absolute relief and joy of winning this after the shit we have been fed for the last five years needed an expression that shows we as fans care.
What would you expect, a polite round of applause. get real.
no violence move on, Delph certainly seemed to enjoy it. Lerner can pay the fine, less than the cost of the balloons.
First half, did not see us having any plan, second half great. Both red cards wrong, but we won !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! onwards and upwards.
It's not coming onto the pitch at the end but during the game. that is twattish. That has potential for serious repercussions. It does nothing for us, the team, the fans, anyone. Anyone who thinks it was harmless is probably the same as someone who thinks the 8Bells at Fulham and giving the alrg'un to the residents of Putney shows how hard they are.
I don't know the rules exactly, but could the officials have decided to call the game off? It took a while to clear them off, which then encourages a few more idiots to join in.
Had the ref called the game off I'd have been fucking livid.
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Man of the match Fabian Delph on the pitch invasion from supporters towards the end of the game: "Very, very scary.
"My armband got nicked, someone got my left boot, but I could appreciate the relief the fans are feeling after a result like that.
"It was dangerous. Someone tried to take my boot off. People tried to kiss me and were biting me. It was scary."
From the Been.
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Sinclair is ace, Jack was sublime in his cameo, Lowton was brilliant, Okore showed Ron what concrete is, Nzogbia was the nuts, Delph was fab and hVe we got the old Gabby back. Special mention to Clark, slowly becoming my favourite player.
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I there a link to their forum, I want to intrude.
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Ive had a text from my blues cousin mocking us invading the pitch after a quarter final win......
Short memories?
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"Why would you do this? You're winning, absolutely stupid. Imagine if the referee abandoned the game now. Loads of villages have lost their idiots tonight. Absolutely bonkers."
Mark Lawrenson
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Man of the match Fabian Delph on the pitch invasion from supporters towards the end of the game: "Very, very scary.
"My armband got nicked, someone got my left boot, but I could appreciate the relief the fans are feeling after a result like that.
"It was dangerous. Someone tried to take my boot off. People tried to kiss me and were biting me. It was scary."
From the Been.
Harmless fun aint it?
Bloody hell.
What are we gonna do if we're 2-0 up against Bradford in the semi, invade the pitch and try and run off with the goal posts?
I hope the police will be on overtime tonight looking over the footage and getting pictures.
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"Why would you do this? You're winning, absolutely stupid. Imagine if the referee abandoned the game now. Loads of villages have lost their idiots tonight. Absolutely bonkers."
Mark Lawrenson
It's a shame it took this incident for Lawrenson to finally talk sense.
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"Why would you do this? You're winning, absolutely stupid. Imagine if the referee abandoned the game now. Loads of villages have lost their idiots tonight. Absolutely bonkers."
Mark Lawrenson
And the BBC employs them.
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Totally agree.... Great scenes.... **** modern football! Should have waited until after the match though I agree with that.
Wemberlee
Fuck modern football by running on the pitch to celebrate getting to a semi final at Wembley. That certainly showed it.
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Man of the match Fabian Delph on the pitch invasion from supporters towards the end of the game: "Very, very scary.
"My armband got nicked, someone got my left boot, but I could appreciate the relief the fans are feeling after a result like that.
"It was dangerous. Someone tried to take my boot off. People tried to kiss me and were biting me. It was scary."
From the Been.
Harmless fun aint it?
Bloody hell.
What are we gonna do if we're 2-0 up against Bradford in the semi, invade the pitch and try and run off with the goal posts?
I hope the police will be on overtime tonight looking over the footage and getting pictures.
They can start with the bell ends who came on when Delph scored. Right fucking tools
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"Why would you do this? You're winning, absolutely stupid. Imagine if the referee abandoned the game now. Loads of villages have lost their idiots tonight. Absolutely bonkers."
Mark Lawrenson
He's 100% right. If we get our semi final allocation reduced because of those pricks I'll be so pissed off. I only wish the club had the means to ban them all.
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Sinclair is ace, Jack was sublime in his cameo, Lowton was brilliant, Okore showed Ron what concrete is, Nzogbia was the nuts, Delph was fab and hVe we got the old Gabby back. Special mention to Clark, slowly becoming my favourite player.
I was a little disappointed in Bacuna. He looked nervy coming forward. He faced a CH playing out of position all game, who has no pace, so he should have been braver.
I'll also add that Given played well.
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Man of the match Fabian Delph on the pitch invasion from supporters towards the end of the game: "Very, very scary.
"My armband got nicked, someone got my left boot, but I could appreciate the relief the fans are feeling after a result like that.
"It was dangerous. Someone tried to take my boot off. People tried to kiss me and were biting me. It was scary."
From the Been.
Harmless fun aint it?
Bloody hell.
What are we gonna do if we're 2-0 up against Bradford in the semi, invade the pitch and try and run off with the goal posts?
I hope the police will be on overtime tonight looking over the footage and getting pictures.
They can start with the bell ends who came on when Delph scored. Right fucking tools
I know, have some been so brainwashed by the small time mentality Lambert drilled into the club?
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"Why would you do this? You're winning, absolutely stupid. Imagine if the referee abandoned the game now. Loads of villages have lost their idiots tonight. Absolutely bonkers."
Mark Lawrenson
He's 100% right. If we get our semi final allocation reduced because of those pricks I'll be so pissed off. I only wish the club had the means to ban them all.
We won't have our SF allocation reduced and let's not get too wound up by thr invasion. It's a piffle in a tea cup.
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Shay Given saying Tim wasn't happy at all at half time. No one was doing what he expected, gave the players a good rollocking and knocked the flip chart over in doing so.
Good on ya Tim.
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What an improvement in the second half.
As for those utter fucking idiots legging it on the pitch before full time, I hope they all get banned. Two nil up and cruising into the semi final, a minute to go and you're running on the fucking pitch?
Small time twats.
Agreed.
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It's a Villa tradition to invade the pitch. Inter (2nd game), and the Tranmere, Arsenal and Blackburn semis were all pitch invasions.
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Oh who gives a toss about it. People walked on some grass, mostly kids and hugged a few players...WOW!!
We'll get a 10 grand fine probably and we go again ;)
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The ones before the final whistle were knobbish, especially the 2 twats I saw goad Myhill. But at FT, who cares.
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chill out and concentrate on the positives, we won.
Have you never been on the pitch at Villa Park celebrating ?
This is small change, the media are reporting it as harmless celebration and we are beating ourselves up about it ?
Was Doug on the pitch ?
Was Randy and the General watching it on satellite ?. I think we should know.
I am beginning to think that Tim could be my most favourite manager since big Ron
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I wouldn't worry too much about the pitch invasion - it'll all be forgotten come Monday afternoon. On a different note, I feel for Grealish, there isn't a dirty bone in his body. I hope the FA deal with the red quickly.
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Ever since the groundsman left for PSG our pitch has looked increasingly worse every season.
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It's the pre-final whistle antics that I am on about, especially the three fans who goaded Boaz Myhill. Pleased to see the third fat tw*t go over on his arse. Prick.
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First half diabolical, second half loads better.
Ratings:
Given - Did well, and reassured me that it's not a disaster if Guzan is injured/suspended
Bacuna - Poor delivery on nearly all crosses, decent enough in defence
Okore - Shaky first half, vastly improved second. Think he could be a major player for us next season
Clark - Very good throughout, well played Clacker
Lowton - Doesn't look well, pretty poor performance but out of position so forgivable
Cleverley - Anonymous
Westwood - Again, an improved performance from a woeful first half. Average overall
Delph - Fantastic performance and goal. If others tried as hard as him we wouldn't be in the shit
Sinclair - Took his goal well, had a good game. Keep it up Scott
Agbonlahor - Tried hard but nowhere near as 'unplayable' as Tuesday night
N'Zogbia - Am I missing something that others on here aren't? I thought he was shocking throughout
Sanchez - I thought we looked loads better when he came on. Should be starting in that midfield
Grealish - Good assist for the second, are we able to appeal the sending-off?
Gil - Should be starting ahead of N'Zogbia
Villa fans - have a bit of class for fucks sake. We're Aston Villa, getting to semi-finals should be what we do.
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Brilliant second half and N'Zog was magnificent. Delph, Sinclair and Okore were excellent in the second half. Shame those morons put it under threat.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the pitch invasion - it'll all be forgotten come Monday afternoon. On a different note, I feel for Grealish, there isn't a dirty bone in his body. I hope the FA deal with the red quickly.
I don't think Grealish can have his red card rescinded as it was 2 yellows I don't think you can appeal.
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Blimey, their forum that Liam Baggies comes from is like reading what H&V has been like for the last few years.
They hate Pulis as much as we do.
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One of the best days of my life up the Holte today.Rocking, passionate and totally committed.I forgive the invasion, it was another Tranmere.Let's give a bit of slack.
The atmosphere was back to the 70s.
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his is small change, the media are reporting it as harmless celebration and we are beating ourselves up about it ?
Are they?
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/07/aston-villa-west-bromwich-albion-fa-cup-match-report
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;D from WestBrom.com forum:
Re: After Match Debate
« Reply #4 on: Today at 07:27:30 PM »
We know what we are? f**king sh*te.
Shambles, feel like crying. Devastated.
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Before I calm down and post something sensible about the game later, I just want to say those twats who ran onto the pitch before the end are, to a man, complete and utter wankers. Pretty much everyone else was booing at them and calling them wankers, but some thought it would be a really great idea to do 'power slides' towards the Holte. Hope they get banning orders.
One thing of even more concern - I heard on the way home that during the post-match invasion Fabian Delph was bitten. By one of our own fans.
Add to that the Boggies who apparently ripped seats out of the North Stand Upper and threw them at our fans in the Lower North, it left a sour taste to an otherwise brilliant evening
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You're probably right. That's very harsh on the kid then. And he's looked brilliant in the two games this week.
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"Mine eyes have seen the glory of the Villa win the cup, seven times we have won it no one else will catch us up (O.K out of date) we are the boys in claret and blue we are the chosen few , and the Villa go marching on. Glory, Glory Aston Villa the Villa go marching on"
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WMP probably need to have a good look at themselves, 5:30 on a Staurday afternoon for a derby game?
Who in their right mind thought that was OK?
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Delph has been on the radio to clear up that he was kissed but felt some teeth - so not intentionally bitten :)
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WMP probably need to have a good look at themselves, 5:30 on a Staurday afternoon for a derby game?
Who in their right mind thought that was OK?
There is a little bit of truth to that. Making it the early game made more sense. Not at all to excuse so called "adults" from behaving like tools mind you.
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WMP probably need to have a good look at themselves, 5:30 on a Staurday afternoon for a derby game?
Who in their right mind thought that was OK?
We all said it, guaranteed to increase the idiot count.
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WMP probably need to have a good look at themselves, 5:30 on a Staurday afternoon for a derby game?
Who in their right mind thought that was OK?
Yep bonkers.
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Dreadful first half with only a decent run from Sinclair towards half time. If Ideye had put away that easy chance we would have been in a bit of trouble. I thought Cleverly was the best of a poor bunch at half time. The ammount of drunks staggering around was very noticable.
The second half was a vast improvement Charlie's run and pass to Delph was very good and Sinclair starting to turn it on upset the Baggies.
The two sending offs I wasn't close enough to see so I will watch them later. I thought when Sanchez came on we were much better in the middle of the park.
The pitch invasion we will get a big fine for. Good job there was no fighting so I don't see the FA taking further action.
I dont like the semis being at Wembley but at least we are there!
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That said if you're a twat you'll be a twat whatever time of day it is.
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Just got back the atmosphere was fantastic especially at the start, it's been far too long since the ground rocked like it did today. Having said that the fucking idiots who ran on at the end ruined it. It was so small time running on to celebrate getting to a semi-final, we're Aston Villa not fucking Bradford hope they all get banned bloody tossers.
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I thought we looked tense and nervous in the first half and made some poor decisions. You need a bit of luck though and we got it with their wastefulness. Second half was such a contrast and it is as if in 15 or so minutes they calmed down and executed on the game plan perfectly.
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It was a bit moody down Witton Island before the game, one bloke had a nasty gash in his head which he reckoned the OB had done.
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It's been a good week!
I thought we would win one of these fixtures at best but to do them twice was superb :)
It goes without saying that the pre- final whistle pitch invasion was dumb and unnecessary.
But the beebs moralising about the final whistle invasion was OTT in my opinion.
Was there as much of a fuss a few years back when the Man U ****** invaded the pitch during a cup game after scoring their third, having been 2 - 0 down?
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Before I calm down and post something sensible about the game later, I just want to say those twats who ran onto the pitch before the end are, to a man, complete and utter wankers. Pretty much everyone else was booing at them and calling them wankers, but some thought it would be a really great idea to do 'power slides' towards the Holte. Hope they get banning orders.
One thing of even more concern - I heard on the way home that during the post-match invasion Fabian Delph was bitten. By one of our own fans.
Add to that the Boggies who apparently ripped seats out of the North Stand Upper and threw them at our fans in the Lower North, it left a sour taste to an otherwise brilliant evening
Endorse what you say - a few morons spoiling a great night. Premature celebration just about sums them up. They are wankers!
Poor first half - if that's the best "Pulis football" can do - all those on here who wanted him at the Villa need to think again.
Second half we got the ball on the floor more often, played football and the goals came.
We rested our keeper - they dropped theirs !
Craig Gardiner - your wish will soon come true - when Albion find a replacement you will be sent back to the sty.
Gabby may be past his best but he can still boss the Albion - his standing ovation was my favorite part of the night.
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It was not very pleasant passing the train station either after the match.
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Just got back the atmosphere was fantastic especially at the start, it's been far too long since the ground rocked like it did today. Having said that the fucking idiots who ran on at the end ruined it. It was so small time running on to celebrate getting to a semi-final, we're Aston Villa not fucking Bradford hope they all get banned bloody tossers.
I think the Bradford reference is a bit out of order, given what that club and its supporters have gone through and achieved.
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Sinclair is ace, Jack was sublime in his cameo, Lowton was brilliant, Okore showed Ron what concrete is, Nzogbia was the nuts, Delph was fab and hVe we got the old Gabby back. Special mention to Clark, slowly becoming my favourite player.
I was a little disappointed in Bacuna. He looked nervy coming forward. He faced a CH playing out of position all game, who has no pace, so he should have been braver.
I'll also add that Given played well.
I thought Given was superb tonight.
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It was not very pleasant passing the train station either after the match.
What happened?
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A very large group of rather inebriated Albion fans behind us being rather vocal and aggressive. Intimidating to say the least. No police presence, just a couple of rather scared-looking transport police there to show fans to the correct platform.
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A very large group of rather inebriated Albion fans behind us being rather vocal and aggressive. Intimidating to say the least. No police presence, just a couple of rather scared-looking transport police there to show fans to the correct platform.
You typo'd 'inbred'.
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Ha!
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I wouldn't worry too much about the pitch invasion - it'll all be forgotten come Monday afternoon. On a different note, I feel for Grealish, there isn't a dirty bone in his body. I hope the FA deal with the red quickly.
2nd yellow. Nothing can be done. Same for the Baggies player as well.
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A very large group of rather inebriated Albion fans behind us being rather vocal and aggressive. Intimidating to say the least. No police presence, just a couple of rather scared-looking transport police there to show fans to the correct platform.
Witton or Aston?
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QF against local rivals. All day drinking. Was never going to be 'pleasant'.
What a refreshing change to come out and play well in the second half - Sherwood must have really got into the, at half time. Fair play.
Once the shackles are off, we ain't a bad team.
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Witton.
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Amazing . the QF was never such a big deal till they had to fund the shocking new Wembley stadium therefore screwing the former venues . and taking the special out of your Wembley trip.
We have been fed on scraps for years and to be honest its like vanquishing the demons of O'Neils paper empire.
5.30 game against local rivals and a Wembley trip equals high emotion .... So before we judge remember the background and responsibility .
Unfortunately I witnessed in person every time our ineptitude or luck left us short from Man U and West Ham in the 70s and Arsenal . Oldham and others when we failed .
The outpouring of relief when we beat Forest to get to the Semis was amazing
People on cars on the way home . total carnage.
Yes the bids on the pitch were daft . but Football is for the people and we are all different in how we react.
For the grammar police . I am on a flight to DC and still shaking in relief and joy.
So forgive me . if I don't give a toss
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How about the punctuation police?
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Totally agree that the semi-final should not be played at Wembley.
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Just got back the atmosphere was fantastic especially at the start, it's been far too long since the ground rocked like it did today. Having said that the fucking idiots who ran on at the end ruined it. It was so small time running on to celebrate getting to a semi-final, we're Aston Villa not fucking Bradford hope they all get banned bloody tossers.
I think the Bradford reference is a bit out of order, given what that club and its supporters have gone through and achieved.
Wasn't aiming it at Bradford in particular was just picking a name swap it for Wigan or whoever, was just pointing out its small time for a club like ours.
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Quarter finals have always been a big deal. It's shit that the semis are played at Wembley.
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Feel a bit sorry for Guzan- standout performer for last three years, does he deserve to miss Wembley, as would appear likely?
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Feel a bit sorry for Guzan- standout performer for last three years, does he deserve to miss Wembley, as would appear likely?
Playing devil's advocate, does Given deserve to be dropped for the Cup games?
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A very large group of rather inebriated Albion fans behind us being rather vocal and aggressive. Intimidating to say the least. No police presence, just a couple of rather scared-looking transport police there to show fans to the correct platform.
Disgraceful. What about their helpers? Where were they?
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Just got back in and what a week it has been. Those idiots from Sandwell put firmly in their place and all the other results going our way. The atmosphere in the ground was great and it carried on to the bus on the way home!! Thought we played well in the second half after an uncertain first 45 minutes and the difference in pace between the two sides was the real key. Special mention to Fabian Delph, who was superb both on Tuesday and tonight.
As for the pitch invasions, not great but nothing too serious in the grand scheme of things. It looked to me like the Police hadn't got enough numbers as they spent the latter parts of the second half trying to contain the Albion fans in the Witton Lane leaving the Holte and the other part of the Witton Lane open.
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Quarter finals have always been a big deal. It's shit that the semis are played at Wembley.
Agree on both accounts. Playing the semis at Wembley devalues the final.
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Just got back in and what a week it has been. Those idiots from Sandwell put firmly in their place and all the other results going our way. The atmosphere in the ground was great and it carried on to the bus on the way home!! Thought we played well in the second half after an uncertain first 45 minutes and the difference in pace between the two sides was the real key. Special mention to Fabian Delph, who was superb both on Tuesday and tonight.
As for the pitch invasions, not great but nothing too serious in the grand scheme of things. It looked to me like the Police hadn't got enough numbers as they spent the latter parts of the second half trying to contain the Albion fans in the Witton Lane leaving the Holte and the other part of the Witton Lane open.
Bang on
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In fairness I saw plenty of ours pissed. It was a game for the boneheads today.
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I didn't go today, the wife has had a long standing day out, well deserved I might add and most importantly, free. So I've spent a fabulous afternoon with my two in Canon Hill park with my two kids, and then returned to watch my beloved team march on relentlessly to their destiny.
I couldn't honestly gives two shits about the pitch invasion. I'm done with worrying.
Today has been magnificent.
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Poor first half, excellent second half. Who was that good player wearing N'Zogbia's shirt?
Two Baggies sat on the row in front of me in the Lower Holte, never said a word all night, and stayed until the bitter end!
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In fairness I saw plenty of ours pissed. It was a game for the boneheads today.
Yep.
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Feel a bit sorry for Guzan- standout performer for last three years, does he deserve to miss Wembley, as would appear likely?
Playing devil's advocate, does Given deserve to be dropped for the Cup games?
that's why it's hard I suppose- like when Guzan and Big Brad had a similar thing in 2010... not sure what the answer is.
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I've had worse weeks as a Villa fan.
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Quarter finals have always been a big deal. It's shit that the semis are played at Wembley.
Agree on both accounts. Playing the semis at Wembley devalues the final.
They could play every round at Wembley as far as I'm concerned if we get to the final. It would devalue nothing for me.
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In fairness I saw plenty of ours pissed. It was a game for the boneheads today.
It happens unfortunately mate. It shouldn't happen but we all know that playing a game between two local rivals at 5.30pm on a Saturday with emotions running high after they had met in the league only a few days before might not be the best idea.
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I've had worse weeks as a Villa fan.
worth pointing out that it is not just our victories Mr Shin. Throw in the teams in the league around us collectively shitting the bed. We now have the forward momentum of all the teams at the bottom and we will take this into our next league game. I am now confident that we can get something from every game this season. And if we don't it won't have been for the lack of trying to score and win. If we have that attitude and belief between now and May we'll be just fine and who knows, maybe a bit of silver at the end of it all!
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It looked to me like the Police hadn't got enough numbers as they spent the latter parts of the second half trying to contain the Albion fans in the Witton Lane leaving the Holte and the other part of the Witton Lane open.
I think it was more a case of protecting them. As soon as the final whistle went a shit load of Villa went straight over there, and I don't think they were wishing them a safe 2 mile coach journey.
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Just back to the Cotton Village, what a day, what a fucking day! As others have said after all the appalling shite of the last few years, maybe we deserve a little something.
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I can now dream of the Final. Yes, we may got knocked out but we're one step away. Obviously we all want the same draw but sod it its a semi-final, it could be our day. It could be our year.
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How nice to have a manager that can make a difference with a half time team talk!
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Sinclair is ace, Jack was sublime in his cameo, Lowton was brilliant, Okore showed Ron what concrete is, Nzogbia was the nuts, Delph was fab and hVe we got the old Gabby back. Special mention to Clark, slowly becoming my favourite player.
I was a little disappointed in Bacuna. He looked nervy coming forward. He faced a CH playing out of position all game, who has no pace, so he should have been braver.
I'll also add that Given played well.
I thought Given was superb tonight.
That's a Given though.
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Thought the policing was fine,quite rightly centred around the Albion fans, but the lack of stewards at the front of the Trinity, Holte and Witton Lane was bizarre?
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It looked to me like the Police hadn't got enough numbers as they spent the latter parts of the second half trying to contain the Albion fans in the Witton Lane leaving the Holte and the other part of the Witton Lane open.
I think the the policing and stewarding requirement were both vastly underestimated.
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It looked to me like the Police hadn't got enough numbers as they spent the latter parts of the second half trying to contain the Albion fans in the Witton Lane leaving the Holte and the other part of the Witton Lane open.
I think it was more a case of protecting them. As soon as the final whistle went a shit load of Villa went straight over there, and I don't think they were wishing them a safe 2 mile coach journey.
Couldn't quite see what was going on as I was in the Holte, but it looked quite a large number of them came down towards the front towards the end and were trying to get into the Villa part of the stand. Pretty much every one of the police were around the away end which meant fans could easily get on the pitch. The stewards just seemed to give up the ghost and there were fans just standing on the side of the pitch during the final few minutes.
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Delighted with the win. You can see the lift Sherwood's appointment is giving te players and although he wasn't my choice he's got he job done this week against an experienced though one dimensional manager in Pulis.
Can we please though get some perspective on here for McGraths sake. We've just got to i think our fourth FA Cup similar final in 55 years, Beaten the Baggies twice in a week, rediscovered our ability to score, confidence up etc and all we are talking about is a hundred odd twats out of 40k that ran onto the pitch in the 93rd minute.
Typical Brummies. We won, lets enjoy it FFS!
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FA investigation (http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/03/07/pitch-invasions-mar-aston-villas-fa-cup-victory-over-west-brom/)
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Just back, aching, hoarse and ears ringing.
Crap first half, superb 2nd.
Wembley here we come
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From a Baggies Forum:
We got what we deserve, blame that idiot Pulis. Pulis the sc*m of English football
Don't care if we go down now, don't feel anything for any one of those players today, they have simply let us down
A part of me died today with that result and I'm not sure ill ever get back what I've lost
Absolutely rubbish we ain't got a clue,Not one of our players want to run, no body looking to break forward,
impersonating footballers that's what there doing
And my favourite..
We know what we are? f**king sh*te.
Shambles, feel like crying. Devastated.
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What I've loved about the last two games is by the end I do not have the urge to slag any of our players off. It feels so good to feel good about our own players again. Everyone put in a shift, and N'Zog and Cleverly rightly were applauded when they were subbed.
It sounds weird, but I'd forgotten what it's like not to be angry at my team!
Yep. Happily clapped both off. Cleverly was very good in 1st half when wewere struggling.
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Only saw the second half but we just have a different feel to us going forward now, so refreshing to watch after the Lambert years.
I couldn't hear the Beeb comments on the pitch invasions but they need to have a look at themselves for a start at scheduling this at half 5 on a Saturday.
The pitch invasions were moronic and don't shed us in a good light but I have to laugh at the media making a big thing of this when Man. United have their yearly pitch invasions at VP whenever they scored and Chelsea fans also came onto the pitch when Lampard broke the record.
It's wrong but it happens. Football fans in getting carried away shock.
See you at Wembley.
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Football fans in getting carried away shock.
Or, pissed up nobheads with no self-control. I don't give a fuck about Chelsea or Man Utd's reputation but I do give a fuck about ours.
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The fans of pretty much every club who reach Wembley in the play off semi finals invade the pitch on full time. What is the problem? People run on the pitch at the end of rugby and cricket matches all the time.
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Football fans in getting carried away shock.
Or, pissed up nobheads with no self-control. I don't give a fuck about Chelsea or Man Utd's reputation but I do give a fuck about ours.
Exactly.
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At the end of the match is fine, with the game still being played is idiotic and they should be found and banned.
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The fans of pretty much every club who reach Wembley in the play off semi finals invade the pitch on full time. What is the problem? People run on the pitch at the end of rugby and cricket matches all the time.
Our pissed-up morons invaded before the final whistle: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/31784681
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Oh who gives a toss about it. People walked on some grass, mostly kids and hugged a few players...WOW!!
We'll get a 10 grand fine probably and we go again ;)
No chance, when our own players are saying 'it was dangerous' expect anything between £30-70k
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http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/03/07/pitch-invasions-mar-aston-villas-fa-cup-victory-over-west-brom/
More press.
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At the end of the match is fine, with the game still being played is idiotic and they should be found and banned.
Agreed.
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http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/03/07/pitch-invasions-mar-aston-villas-fa-cup-victory-over-west-brom/
More press.
That looks amazingly like the link on the previous page posted by someone devilishly handsome.
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http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2015/03/07/pitch-invasions-mar-aston-villas-fa-cup-victory-over-west-brom/
More press.
That looks amazingly like the link on the previous page posted by someone devilishly handsome.
I don't recall posting that
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Fucking BBC only think about MUFC. Exhibit A: Football Focus finally from VP, so they segway to clips of MU semi final victories there. Exhibit B: match report "Villa face their first trip to Wembley since the Carling Cup final loss to Manchester United in 2010." Wrong!
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Totally agree that the semi-final should not be played at Wembley.
Who cares ...... How about the punctuation police?
who cares ......
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Totally agree that the semi-final should not be played at Wembley.
Who cares ...... How about the punctuation police?
who cares ......
You. Enough to say it twice.
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Playing this game at 530pm was stupid and asking for trouble.
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Just got back and my ears are still buzzing from the noise, just an awesome day apart from a few idiots on the pitch near the end and the Albion fans ripping up seats in the North Stand and throwing them down on the Villa fans when the second went in.
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At the end of the match is fine, with the game still being played is idiotic and they should be found and banned.
It might be hard to collar so many at the end of the game, but the ones who came on early will be much easier to identify. Won't be so funny for some of them in the morning.
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Just got back and my ears are still buzzing from the noise, just an awesome day apart from a few idiots on the pitch near the end and the Albion fans ripping up seats in the North Stand and throwing them down on the Villa fans when the second went in.
I'd say seat throwing is a darn sight more dangerous than running on the pitch
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A great night ruined by these idiots. Can see a heavy fine coming our way and no doubt calls to kick us out the competition
No it was not ruined.FULL STOP.
Great post Aftab. Amazing. I'll be in Europe for my sisters wedding at the end of May. If we're in the final, see you at Wembley! Hope your trip to Seoul went well mate. I'm off to bed. Great night
Back in my hotel now Nik but can't sleep. Fucking buzzing. If you do make to Wembley let's meet up
What you doing there Olaf? Great City for me.
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Just calming down with my second pint
What a great day of fun and frolics - it was like 30,000 Villa at an away match
Singing under the Holte before going up and singing for another 90 minutes and watching us turn over the bitter bastards from down the road again. Now we can forget them for another 9 months while they seethe in their pit of jealousy.
Got to meet Kingthing from the forum and marvel at his dedication to drinking after learning he was in the Albion side of the Witton Arms as the Villa side was full - then WW3 broke out - nothing to do with him obviously.
Call that a pitch invasion - pah!
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Totally agree that the semi-final should not be played at Wembley.
Who cares ...... How about the punctuation police?
who cares ......
You obviously do. So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground? Odd, considering your initial post.
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Semi-finals at Wembley are a big no no for me too, as soon as they scrap that the better.
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The Villa fans running on the pitch before the end should be banned for 5 years (although personally i have no problem with it once the final whistle has gone. If true about the Olbiyun throwing chairs they should be up in court for potential jail time. Somewhere between attempted murder and GBH.
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Plenty of over the top reaction regarding the pitch invasions. I did it when I was a kid so I'm not going to start slating kids that do it now. The football supporting experience they get nowadays is so sanitised and restricted let's not make this into something other than an explosion of joy, a bit of liberation if you like. If it happened every week or every time we score then fair enough we sort it - but it doesn't.
As for the seat throwing - then the police with the help of all the expensive surveillance tools at their disposal need to find the culprits and deal with them. That's what they're there for. What was it, a handful of people out of 40,000?
Onto the football. Fantastic again - well done to everyone involved at Villa for their efforts this week and the pride and happiness they've given us. Long may Mr Sherwood continue to prove my own over-the-top reaction against his appointment wrong... he has surprised and delighted me this week with his tactical choices.
"Wemberlee, Wemberlee... oh we're all pissed up and we're going to Wemberlee" (now there's an old chant we need to teach to these pesky kids!)
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Totally agree that the semi-final should not be played at Wembley.
Who cares ...... How about the punctuation police?
who cares ......
You. Enough to say it twice.
sharp you ! I am in awe
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sharp you ! I am in awe
You aren't the first and won't be the last.
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Totally agree that the semi-final should not be played at Wembley.
Who cares ...... How about the punctuation police?
who cares ......
You obviously do. So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground? Odd, considering your initial post.
explain ? Please !
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sharp you ! I am in awe
You aren't the first and won't be the last.
fair play , that made me laugh
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Just calming down with my second pint
What a great day of fun and frolics - it was like 30,000 Villa at an away match
Singing under the Holte before going up and singing for another 90 minutes and watching us turn over the bitter bastards from down the road again. Now we can forget them for another 9 months while they seethe in their pit of jealousy.
Got to meet Kingthing from the forum and marvel at his dedication to drinking after learning he was in the Albion side of the Witton Arms as the Villa side was full - then WW3 broke out - nothing to do with him obviously.
Call that a pitch invasion - pah!
Twice in two minutes , I have laughed aloud
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You obviously do. So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground? Odd, considering your initial post.
Far be it from me to intrude on this love-in but Wembley is a neutral ground. But I'm with you, Villa Park & Elland Road or Hillsborough or Old Trafford. Just like in days of yore.
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Amazing . the QF was never such a big deal till they had to fund the shocking new Wembley stadium therefore screwing the former venues . and taking the special out of your Wembley trip.
We have been fed on scraps for years and to be honest its like vanquishing the demons of O'Neils paper empire.
5.30 game against local rivals and a Wembley trip equals high emotion .... So before we judge remember the background and responsibility .
Unfortunately I witnessed in person every time our ineptitude or luck left us short from Man U and West Ham in the 70s and Arsenal . Oldham and others when we failed .
The outpouring of relief when we beat Forest to get to the Semis was amazing
People on cars on the way home . total carnage.
Yes the bids on the pitch were daft . but Football is for the people and we are all different in how we react.
For the grammar police . I am on a flight to DC and still shaking in relief and joy.
So forgive me . if I don't give a toss
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Thought the policing was fine,quite rightly centred around the Albion fans, but the lack of stewards at the front of the Trinity, Holte and Witton Lane was bizarre?
Saw two poor pieces of policing before the game.
1) a bloke with a bleeding head injury is pinned up against a fence by a copper, with two others looking on. Instead of arresting him or getting him medical attention, the cops just left him and walked off. One of the cops should have stayed with the guy and called in for a paramedic.
2) a police dog craps in the middle of the road but the handler does not pick it up. Passers by report this to the highways people (the blokes who put the traffic barriers up), they radio their base and ask for a message to be forwarded to the cops. Meanwhile the same passer by goes ahead to notify a group of cops but is completely ignored. When I left, the dog poo was still in the road.
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You obviously do. So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground? Odd, considering your initial post.
Far be it from me to intrude on this love-in but Wembley is a neutral ground. But I'm with you, Villa Park & Elland Road or Hillsborough or Old Trafford. Just like in days of yore.
It is, but that is not my point. Old Trafford, VP etc etc should be the semi-final venues.
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Not enough stewards and those there were were not properly deployed. I am not making excuses for the brain dead morons who invaded the pitch but if you have a 5.30 kick off to suit the TV schedules you are going to have idiots on the piss all day and behave like total wankers.
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Plenty of over the top reaction regarding the pitch invasions. I did it when I was a kid so I'm not going to start slating kids that do it now. The football supporting experience they get nowadays is so sanitised and restricted let's not make this into something other than an explosion of joy, a bit of liberation if you like. If it happened every week or every time we score then fair enough we sort it - but it doesn't.
The trouble is it only takes one dick to give an opposition player a slap, or worse, and it changes everything. That's why it's a criminal offence.
Lots of people were excited about the result but managed to not run on to the pitch.
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"Why would you do this? You're winning, absolutely stupid. Imagine if the referee abandoned the game now. Loads of villages have lost their idiots tonight. Absolutely bonkers."
Mark Lawrenson
A village in the North West has been loaning their's out for years. Sitting smugly on a sofa at the Beeb. Utter fucking twat.
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You obviously do. So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground? Odd, considering your initial post.
Far be it from me to intrude on this love-in but Wembley is a neutral ground. But I'm with you, Villa Park & Elland Road or Hillsborough or Old Trafford. Just like in days of yore.
As with many things, it all comes down to money. Two biggish clubs and you're getting 90,000 at Wembley. Only Old Trafford gets anywhere near that now.
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Thought the policing was fine,quite rightly centred around the Albion fans, but the lack of stewards at the front of the Trinity, Holte and Witton Lane was bizarre?
Saw two poor pieces of policing before the game.
1) a bloke with a bleeding head injury is pinned up against a fence by a copper, with two others looking on. Instead of arresting him or getting him medical attention, the cops just left him and walked off. One of the cops should have stayed with the guy and called in for a paramedic.
2) a police dog craps in the middle of the road but the handler does not pick it up. Passers by report this to the highways people (the blokes who put the traffic barriers up), they radio their base and ask for a message to be forwarded to the cops. Meanwhile the same passer by goes ahead to notify a group of cops but is completely ignored. When I left, the dog poo was still in the road.
Re 2 above, you are kidding? Maybe you should have made a citizens scoop.
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Tim Sherwood called Villa's win over West Brom "huge" as the claret and blues ensured a Wembley appearance in the semi-finals of the FA Cup.
Villa beat the Baggies 2-0 courtesy of goals from Fabian Delph and Scott Sinclair and will now head to the capital for the last four of the competition.
Sherwood's men are also fighting to move away from the lower reaches of the Barclays Premier League table.
The boss, however, is happy to juggle both competitions.
Sherwood also revealed the players were eager to dedicate the victory to fans who have had "some hard times" over the past few years.
He said: "It's huge.
"I have spoken to the players. They want to dedicate it to the fans.
"They think the fans have had some hard times here. Everyone at the football club realises we will need the supporters.
"It's been a very good week for us but we know there's a lot of hard work to be done.
"We will need those fans with us every step of the way.
"They appreciate the support they were given today.
"We need the fans. I am pleading with them - we need you with us.
"It's going to be ups and downs. It's not always going to be rosy in the garden.
"There will be down times and we will need them to pick us up at times."
Sherwood wasn't enamoured with his team's performance before the break but was thrilled with their application to his tactics in the second half.
He continued: "It wasn't a fantastic first half performance but it was certainly a good one in the second.
"I want to make a special mention for Leo Bacuna. In the first half he looked like he was out of position. In the second half he looked like he'd played there all his life.
"I gave him a few instructions to push on. I wanted the whole team further up the field.
"The slow start I think was due to the change of formation and the change of shape. It wasn't ideal but in the second half they played how I wanted them to play in that shape.
"Scott Sinclair found room, penetrated more and showed real class to finish the second goal.
"We are marching on with a depleted squad - and we're getting some results.
"We will be bouncing into that game against Sunderland.
"They are a good group. Even though they are a young group they won't get carried away."
Christian Benteke missed the Baggies clash through injury and Sherwood said the talismanic striker will be checked on this next week in the lead-up to the Sunderland clash.
He added: "With Christian we're not sure.
"He will continue to get assessed. We keep picking up these little niggles here and there."
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You obviously do. So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground? Odd, considering your initial post.
Far be it from me to intrude on this love-in but Wembley is a neutral ground. But I'm with you, Villa Park & Elland Road or Hillsborough or Old Trafford. Just like in days of yore.
It is, but that is not my point. Old Trafford, VP etc etc should be the semi-final venues.
I agree 100%. In fact I agree 105%. Actually makes me wonder whether there would have been a pitch invasion if everyone knew we were going to Leeds.
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Amazing . the QF was never such a big deal till they had to fund the shocking new Wembley stadium therefore screwing the former venues . and taking the special out of your Wembley trip.
We have been fed on scraps for years and to be honest its like vanquishing the demons of O'Neils paper empire.
5.30 game against local rivals and a Wembley trip equals high emotion .... So before we judge remember the background and responsibility .
Unfortunately I witnessed in person every time our ineptitude or luck left us short from Man U and West Ham in the 70s and Arsenal . Oldham and others when we failed .
The outpouring of relief when we beat Forest to get to the Semis was amazing
People on cars on the way home . total carnage.
Yes the bids on the pitch were daft . but Football is for the people and we are all different in how we react.
For the grammar police . I am on a flight to DC and still shaking in relief and joy.
So forgive me . if I don't give a toss
well you missed my simpletons point then ...... They HAVE MADE the QF a big deal ..... by having the semi at Wembley , hopefully you can grasp the view of a mere mortal
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You obviously do. So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground? Odd, considering your initial post.
Far be it from me to intrude on this love-in but Wembley is a neutral ground. But I'm with you, Villa Park & Elland Road or Hillsborough or Old Trafford. Just like in days of yore.
It is, but that is not my point. Old Trafford, VP etc etc should be the semi-final venues.
I agree 100%. In fact I agree 105%. Actually makes me wonder whether there would have been a pitch invasion if everyone knew we were going to Leeds.
110% behind you!
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How much are SF tickets likely to be ? £60 ?
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Amazing . the QF was never such a big deal till they had to fund the shocking new Wembley stadium therefore screwing the former venues . and taking the special out of your Wembley trip.
We have been fed on scraps for years and to be honest its like vanquishing the demons of O'Neils paper empire.
5.30 game against local rivals and a Wembley trip equals high emotion .... So before we judge remember the background and responsibility .
Unfortunately I witnessed in person every time our ineptitude or luck left us short from Man U and West Ham in the 70s and Arsenal . Oldham and others when we failed .
The outpouring of relief when we beat Forest to get to the Semis was amazing
People on cars on the way home . total carnage.
Yes the bids on the pitch were daft . but Football is for the people and we are all different in how we react.
For the grammar police . I am on a flight to DC and still shaking in relief and joy.
So forgive me . if I don't give a toss
well you missed my simpletons point then ...... They HAVE MADE the QF a big deal ..... by having the semi at Wembley , hopefully you can grasp the view of a mere mortal
? You've lost me.
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You obviously do. So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground? Odd, considering your initial post.
Far be it from me to intrude on this love-in but Wembley is a neutral ground. But I'm with you, Villa Park & Elland Road or Hillsborough or Old Trafford. Just like in days of yore.
It is, but that is not my point. Old Trafford, VP etc etc should be the semi-final venues.
I agree 100%. In fact I agree 105%. Actually makes me wonder whether there would have been a pitch invasion if everyone knew we were going to Leeds.
110% behind you!
well roll me over
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110% behind you!
Now that's just crazy talk.
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How much are SF tickets likely to be ? £60 ?
Ticket prices for the 2014/15 FA Cup Semi-Final are £33, £43, £53 and £63.
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May I venture, right now I don't care that it is at Wembley, we are in the semi of the FA Cup!!!
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How much are SF tickets likely to be ? £60 ?
Ticket prices for the 2014/15 FA Cup Semi-Final are £33, £43, £53 and £63.
Thanks, not as bad as I feared.
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What's this talk of Leeds? Don't remember sf s there
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Calmed down now. What a fantastic week - beat Boggies twice, semi finals of the FA Cup, teams around us losing, playing decent football and actually scoring goals! A manager who seems to have tactical nous, changes performances with half-time team talks, uses subs well and at the right times. It feels like I'm getting my Villa back, and I've already placed a bulk order for humble pie from M&S - not just ordinary humble pie - for my initial reservations about Sherwood. We're not out of the woods yet but at least we can start to look forwards with more optimism.
As for today's game - the classic game of two halves. Poor and a bit flat in the first half (and if they'd not missed that open goal early on it would all have been very different) but really vibrant in the second.
GK: Given could rightly feel aggrieved if he was dropped for the semi final, and tbh with Guzan's form not that good lately it's great to have a keeper who could easily claim the first choice spot.
Defence: Clark was yet again sound at the heart of our defence, Okore did well but always has a mistake not far off. Lowton and Bacuna did reasonably well playing out of position but Lowton in particular made a number of unforced errors. With Clark only a yellow card away from a 2 match ban, we need to get Cissokho,Vlaar, Senderos and Baker back asap as well as Hutton after his ban - we didn't have a single defender to put on the bench today
Midfield: Thought Cleverley had one of his best games for us, especially in the first half - put in a really energetic shift. Westwood for me is still in Lambert mode - always looks to pass sideways and backwards even when he has 30 yards to run in to. And why he takes set pieces is beyond me. Captain Delph - has been the player I hoped he could be in both games this week. MOTM well deserved
Attack: Really worried when I heard Benteke was out but Gabby stepped up to the plate as he always does against our near neighbours - he just needs to do it for other games. Thought Sinclair had difficulty getting into the game in the first half but was brilliant in the second. And as someone else said earlier, I'm not sure who the good footballer was who was wearing N'Zogbia's shirt
Subs: Sanchez look more solid; Jack looked lively and was unfairly sent off - why would he dive if he'd just put the ball past the defender? Might change my mind after the highlights later; Gil didn't have much time to show anything
Great second half, great atmosphere, great result. Shame about the morons who invaded the pitch before the end - could have been costly
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so there we are mr pulis
take your poxy little boring team and your small minded fans back to where you belong and that is always looking up to us.
obsessed with villa you know what you are
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Marvelous:
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Scott Sinclair...excellent in the second half. Even the right Charlie looked half bothered.
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Just got home - back up north. And am still buzzin, so wired probably don't even need a drink, but gonna try because we're the Famous Aston Villa and we're going to Wemberleeeeee
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Fuckers fucked. Again.
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What's this talk of Leeds? Don't remember sf s there
1980 replay (West Ham / Everton) - first one I remember. Then 1995 (Everton / Spurs).
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What's this talk of Leeds? Don't remember sf s there
1980 replay (West Ham / Everton) - first one I remember. Then 1995 (Everton / Spurs).
Hardly a bastion of semis then
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From the official site:
The club does not condone supporters invading the field of play under any circumstances.
We are very disappointed that what should have been a very memorable and proud moment for our fans was marred by the actions of those who could not control themselves.
They have let both themselves and their club down.
The club extends its sincere apologies to the Football Association, the West Bromwich Albion directors, manager Tony Pulis and all his staff and players.
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Not enough stewards and those there were were not properly deployed. I am not making excuses for the brain dead morons who invaded the pitch but if you have a 5.30 kick off to suit the TV schedules you are going to have idiots on the piss all day and behave like total wankers.
Correct. I wish it were otherwise.
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Upon hearing the announcement that Benteke was out injured I thought "oh bugger" then remembered the start to the season when he was not playing. The first half was frustrating as midfield seemed to have a lot of possession in our half (too deep) going sideways/backwards but we couldn't go forwards as only Gabby was upfront. Second half we were pushing up further and looked a hell of a lot better. Two very well taken goals by Delph and Sinclair.
The first sending off looked harsh and the second Grealish booking had me stumped from my position in K2 upper Holte as Grealish clearly poked the ball beyond Lescott and got taken off balance. Ref got that one massively wrong.
The pitch invasion during play was bloody stupid and the crowd voiced their opinion of the feckwits for all to hear.
The pitch invasion after the final whistle was purely an outpouring of relief/celebration (apart from the chumps swinging on the crossbar) after years of frustration. I know it was a bit small time as we have only got to the semi-final but hey we have got to wembley.
It was great to hear Villa Park rocking again and the crowd were fantastic for the second half.
I expected more from West Brom to be honest and to the baggie (pork scratching seller and no I wasn't buying any) who engaged me outside the ground beforehand "YOW WON'T BOIT US TWOICE IN AY WOIK" ............. oh really 8)
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What's this talk of Leeds? Don't remember sf s there
1980 replay (West Ham / Everton) - first one I remember. Then 1995 (Everton / Spurs).
There have been a handful there.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FA_Cup_semi-finals
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A great week to be a Villa fan. I haven't been able to say that often this season.
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Marvelous:
Loved the balloons and ticker tape at the start, VP looked incredible. Well done to Brigada or whoever organised it.
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One of them outside was showing me his crappy flag with a sparrow on it and telling me how I'd love to sleep on it at night. I told him we already had enough toilet paper at home.
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A great night ruined by these idiots. Can see a heavy fine coming our way and no doubt calls to kick us out the competition
They were stupid and got the full strength of feeling from the rest of us in the Holte.
It hardly ruined the night.
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So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground?
In what way is Wembley not a neutral ground?
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Over on the Albion forum they are beating up themselves, and few if any are commenting on the pitch invasion.
They had left by then
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See my earlier clarification.
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Totally agree that the semi-final should not be played at Wembley.
Who cares ...... How about the punctuation police?
who cares ......
A little common courtesy towards a fellow human please, Sunny, old chap. We're in the semi finals, you're flying to DC. Enjoy!
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Don't know what pleased me most today, what a joyous day! I had great hope that, unlike the Lambert days, we would improve second half and so we did. I have witnessed players who I had given up on have great games this week. I haven't trawled through the posts today but what's the story on Benteke? Apologies if this is dealt with elsewhere.
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You obviously do. So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground? Odd, considering your initial post.
Far be it from me to intrude on this love-in but Wembley is a neutral ground. But I'm with you, Villa Park & Elland Road or Hillsborough or Old Trafford. Just like in days of yore.
It is, but that is not my point. Old Trafford, VP etc etc should be the semi-final venues.
Why?
It doesn't really matter.
If it were at Old Trafford fewer Villa fans would be going to the semi-final. Why would that be a good thing?
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What a difference a week makes
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You obviously do. So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground? Odd, considering your initial post.
Far be it from me to intrude on this love-in but Wembley is a neutral ground. But I'm with you, Villa Park & Elland Road or Hillsborough or Old Trafford. Just like in days of yore.
It is, but that is not my point. Old Trafford, VP etc etc should be the semi-final venues.
Why?
It doesn't really matter.
If it were at Old Trafford fewer Villa fans would be going to the semi-final. Why would that be a good thing?
Because the subsequent trip to Wembley in the final would have much more meaning. You can't deny that playing the semi finals at Wembley devalues getting there.
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Don't know what pleased me most today, what a joyous day! I had great hope that, unlike the Lambert days, we would improve second half and so we did. I have witnessed players who I had given up on have great games this week. I haven't trawled through the posts today but what's the story on Benteke? Apologies if this is dealt with elsewhere.
Injured. Sore hip was what I heard before the game. Will be assessed during the week to see if he's OK for the Sunderland game
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What a fcukin difference 6 days makes. I'm in Dublin getting atrociously drunk on a lads weekend having been at Villa on Tuesday night. Fcukin fabulous performance 2nd half. Fcuk the Albion!
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Marvelous:
Brilliant.
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What a difference a week makes
I text my mate Monday who supports the baggies to say don't expect to hear from me for a while. I was half expecting 2 draws but not to win both games. He hasn't got back to me.
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Well in 40+ years of going to football I have never come across such complete and utter arseholes as the albion fans were. At Witton station myself and my 17 year old daughter got attacked by albion fans. Luckily my daughter stood her ground with her dad and we put a couple of the bastards down. Even some albion fans had a go at our attackers and said fair play for standing your ground. Think it is safe to say their fans are the biggest bunch of wankers I have ever come across..does it make you wankers feel good to give a 17 year old girl a bruised cheek. ..wankers total wankers.
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http://gfycat.com/UnpleasantBasicBigmouthbass
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You obviously do. So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground? Odd, considering your initial post.
Far be it from me to intrude on this love-in but Wembley is a neutral ground. But I'm with you, Villa Park & Elland Road or Hillsborough or Old Trafford. Just like in days of yore.
It is, but that is not my point. Old Trafford, VP etc etc should be the semi-final venues.
Why?
It doesn't really matter.
If it were at Old Trafford fewer Villa fans would be going to the semi-final. Why would that be a good thing?
Because the subsequent trip to Wembley in the final would have much more meaning. You can't deny that playing the semi finals at Wembley devalues getting there.
Wembley is a fairly big, loud, empty stadium. It's a football match, played on a football pitch.
I'm pretty sure that everyone who goes to the semi-final isn't going to be complaining about going there instead of Old Trafford. And I bet that the 8,000 or so who get to go who wouldn't have gone had it been at any other ground will be delighted that it is being held at Wembey.
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Well in 40+ years of going to football I have never come across such complete and utter arseholes as the albion fans were. At Witton station myself and my 17 year old daughter got attacked by albion fans. Luckily my daughter stood her ground with her dad and we put a couple of the bastards down. Even some albion fans had a go at our attackers and said fair play for standing your ground. Think it is safe to say their fans are the biggest bunch of wankers I have ever come across..does it make you wankers feel good to give a 17 year old girl a bruised cheek. ..wankers total wankers.
Sorry to hear that mate and hope she's ok.
I pin much of the blame here on whatever idiots thought 530pm was a good idea
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What's this talk of Leeds? Don't remember sf s there
1980 replay (West Ham / Everton) - first one I remember. Then 1995 (Everton / Spurs).
Hardly a bastion of semis then
I don't believe anyone called it a bastion of semis. I just named it as a place where some had been held.
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I went a bit mad at the first goal, second goal and especially at the end.
3 minutes later one of my next door neighbours yelled over the back fence wanting to know what the celebration was!
And so, it's a well done Aston Villa from the international students next door.
I'm so happy! :)
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Benjamin Zephaniah was in the lower Holte tonight. My nephew got a photo with him, the jammy bollocks.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_h8OweWAAApa7D.jpg)
Delph's biting suspect revealed...
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Marvelous:
I never get tired of watching Villa fans celebrate a goal in an important match. That was me on Tuesday. Lovely.
Great vid
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ITV News just reported pitch invasion like we'd annexed North Wales. Perspective for the final whistle, bans for the 100 odd fools in injury time, & crucifixion for the 2 fuckwits swinging off the crossbar.
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Well in 40+ years of going to football I have never come across such complete and utter arseholes as the albion fans were. At Witton station myself and my 17 year old daughter got attacked by albion fans. Luckily my daughter stood her ground with her dad and we put a couple of the bastards down. Even some albion fans had a go at our attackers and said fair play for standing your ground. Think it is safe to say their fans are the biggest bunch of wankers I have ever come across..does it make you wankers feel good to give a 17 year old girl a bruised cheek. ..wankers total wankers.
Bloody hell, mate, glad to hear you're both okay. Fair play to you, your daughter and the Albion fans that came to your support. I imagine tonight, tomorrow and maybe for the next months or so you'll still be raging but one day you'll look back and remember how "we put a couple of the bastards down". Maybe it's worth saving for the Father of the Bride speech in the not too distant further.
There's a lot of sad, evil bastards out there but the worst are the fucking cowards. Hope it doesn't put either of you off going to games.
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What a difference a week makes
What a difference a tweak makes.
Lambert's team, Lambert's tactics, just speeded up and dusted with confidence. And to think how long we had to suffer watching him cluelessly get it wrong and try exactly the same thing the following week.
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What a difference a week makes
What a difference a tweak makes.
Lambert's team, Lambert's tactics, just speeded up and dusted with confidence. And to think how long we had to suffer watching him cluelessly get it wrong and try exactly the same thing the following week.
Absolutely, as Brian Clough used to say it's a simple game really
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What a difference a week makes
What a difference a tweak makes.
Lambert's team, Lambert's tactics, just speeded up and dusted with confidence. And to think how long we had to suffer watching him cluelessly get it wrong and try exactly the same thing the following week.
I know, but it really can't be that simple, can it?
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What's this talk of Leeds? Don't remember sf s there
1980 replay (West Ham / Everton) - first one I remember. Then 1995 (Everton / Spurs).
Hardly a bastion of semis then
I don't believe anyone called it a bastion of semis. I just named it as a place where some had been held.
Bastion of semis - sounds like my sex life
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ITV News just reported pitch invasion like we'd annexed North Wales. Perspective for the final whistle, bans for the 100 odd fools in injury time, & crucifixion for the 2 fuckwits swinging off the crossbar.
Throwing seats 70ft through the air down onto defenceless fans below is far worse than anything our fans did.
Hopefully they are all on cctv and arrested.
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Shot by someone on here.
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What's this talk of Leeds? Don't remember sf s there
1980 replay (West Ham / Everton) - first one I remember. Then 1995 (Everton / Spurs).
Hardly a bastion of semis then
I don't believe anyone called it a bastion of semis. I just named it as a place where some had been held.
Bastion of semis - sounds like my sex life
Post of the day sir.
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Well in 40+ years of going to football I have never come across such complete and utter arseholes as the albion fans were. At Witton station myself and my 17 year old daughter got attacked by albion fans. Luckily my daughter stood her ground with her dad and we put a couple of the bastards down. Even some albion fans had a go at our attackers and said fair play for standing your ground. Think it is safe to say their fans are the biggest bunch of wankers I have ever come across..does it make you wankers feel good to give a 17 year old girl a bruised cheek. ..wankers total wankers.
Sorry to hear that mate and hope she's ok.
I pin much of the blame here on whatever idiots thought 530pm was a good idea
Loads of it going off when I got there and found myself surrounded my utter neanderthals. West Brom fans punching anything that moved, chucking rocks and glass bottles and trying to smash up the cars that had found themselves stuck in the melee.
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I've just watched MOTD and the fans coming on the pitch before the final whistle made me cringe.
You ******. Indefensible.
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Shot by someone on here.
Even the sun gets in on the magoc but shining a big V onto the crowd. Its in the stars...
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I've just watched MOTD and the fans coming on the pitch before the final whistle made me cringe.
You c***s. Indefensible.
Worse than those pinging seats off people's heads or attacking them at Witton Station? I want to hear this more condemnation for this to be honest
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Well in 40+ years of going to football I have never come across such complete and utter arseholes as the albion fans were. At Witton station myself and my 17 year old daughter got attacked by albion fans. Luckily my daughter stood her ground with her dad and we put a couple of the bastards down. Even some albion fans had a go at our attackers and said fair play for standing your ground. Think it is safe to say their fans are the biggest bunch of wankers I have ever come across..does it make you wankers feel good to give a 17 year old girl a bruised cheek. ..wankers total wankers.
Sorry to hear that mate and hope she's ok.
I pin much of the blame here on whatever idiots thought 530pm was a good idea
Loads of it going off when I got there and found myself surrounded my utter neanderthals. West Brom fans punching anything that moved, chucking rocks and glass bottles and trying to smash up the cars that had found themselves stuck in the melee.
When we were queuing it was tense, but I didn't see any of this. There were a few stand-offs, but it didn't go any further than a bit of shouting and barging.
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I think a lot of albion fans were embarrassed at what happened to myself and my daughter tonight. But like you say in a father of the bride speech I have total respect for her not backing down. I wonder if on the strippey filth message boards tonight they will be celebrating how a 54 year old villa fan with a 17 year old girl stood toe to toe with a fair few of their complete arseholes. I don't think even the noses would stoop that low.
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Well in 40+ years of going to football I have never come across such complete and utter arseholes as the albion fans were. At Witton station myself and my 17 year old daughter got attacked by albion fans. Luckily my daughter stood her ground with her dad and we put a couple of the bastards down. Even some albion fans had a go at our attackers and said fair play for standing your ground. Think it is safe to say their fans are the biggest bunch of wankers I have ever come across..does it make you wankers feel good to give a 17 year old girl a bruised cheek. ..wankers total wankers.
Sorry to hear that mate and hope she's ok.
I pin much of the blame here on whatever idiots thought 530pm was a good idea
Loads of it going off when I got there and found myself surrounded my utter neanderthals. West Brom fans punching anything that moved, chucking rocks and glass bottles and trying to smash up the cars that had found themselves stuck in the melee.
When we were queuing it was tense, but I didn't see any of this. There were a few stand-offs, but it didn't go any further than a bit of shouting and barging.
The riot police arrived pretty sharpish with dogs, which at least separated their fans, but it was in the minutes before that where it was as bad as anything I've seen since the Madrid riot police took revenge for the Armada in 95.
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Well in 40+ years of going to football I have never come across such complete and utter arseholes as the albion fans were. At Witton station myself and my 17 year old daughter got attacked by albion fans. Luckily my daughter stood her ground with her dad and we put a couple of the bastards down. Even some albion fans had a go at our attackers and said fair play for standing your ground. Think it is safe to say their fans are the biggest bunch of wankers I have ever come across..does it make you wankers feel good to give a 17 year old girl a bruised cheek. ..wankers total wankers.
Sorry to hear that mate and hope she's ok.
I pin much of the blame here on whatever idiots thought 530pm was a good idea
Loads of it going off when I got there and found myself surrounded my utter neanderthals. West Brom fans punching anything that moved, chucking rocks and glass bottles and trying to smash up the cars that had found themselves stuck in the melee.
When we were queuing it was tense, but I didn't see any of this. There were a few stand-offs, but it didn't go any further than a bit of shouting and barging.
The riot police arrived pretty sharpish with dogs, which at least separated their fans, but it was in the minutes before that where it was as bad as anything I've seen since the Madrid riot police took revenge for the Armada in 95.
That might have been just before we arrived then - there were a couple of lines of police trying to keep everyone as separate as possible just as we turned up.
Not that it really did anything, as they were still just filtering the same groups of supporters into the same queue for the New Street train.
Arrival at New Street was daft as well, there was a police cordon segregating people but blindly. I watched three people in West Brom shirts let into the concourse, followed by two of us in Villa colours, following by two more West Brom fans, while half a dozen polite-looking, middle-aged people in both colours were held on the platform.
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I've just watched MOTD and the fans coming on the pitch before the final whistle made me cringe.
You c***s. Indefensible.
Worse than those pinging seats off people's heads or attacking them at Witton Station? I want to hear this more condemnation for this to be honest
That makes it alright then? I don't care what the Albion did; what we we did was in front of the nations cameras. If you think those twats who ran on the pitch with minutes to go are justified for doing that because the away fans were worse, then so be it.
We're Aston Villa. We're better than that.
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You obviously do. So you don't care about the semi-final being played at Wembley, when it should be at a neutral ground? Odd, considering your initial post.
Far be it from me to intrude on this love-in but Wembley is a neutral ground. But I'm with you, Villa Park & Elland Road or Hillsborough or Old Trafford. Just like in days of yore.
It is, but that is not my point. Old Trafford, VP etc etc should be the semi-final venues.
Why?
It doesn't really matter.
If it were at Old Trafford fewer Villa fans would be going to the semi-final. Why would that be a good thing?
Because the subsequent trip to Wembley in the final would have much more meaning. You can't deny that playing the semi finals at Wembley devalues getting there.
Wembley is a fairly big, loud, empty stadium. It's a football match, played on a football pitch.
I'm pretty sure that everyone who goes to the semi-final isn't going to be complaining about going there instead of Old Trafford. And I bet that the 8,000 or so who get to go who wouldn't have gone had it been at any other ground will be delighted that it is being held at Wembey.
We could have done with those 8,000 at times over the past few seasons to be fair.
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We could have done with those 8,000 at times over the past few seasons to be fair.
Yup, perfectly valid point.
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I've just watched MOTD and the fans coming on the pitch before the final whistle made me cringe.
You c***s. Indefensible.
Worse than those pinging seats off people's heads or attacking them at Witton Station? I want to hear this more condemnation for this to be honest
Well said & good to see Motd make the point about the WBA coward wankers that did that
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I hope every one of you enourmous pricks are named, shamed and have no opportunity to travel to Wembley.
You incredible shower of wankers. I hate you all
Edit: You utter, utter pricks. Why run on the pitch? Why?
Penises !
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As me and RedSox walked down towards Witton Island I said it was going off as you just know if you've seen it before. We decided not to go through to get t the chippy and headed up Witton Lane to a burger van. Not long after the police marched a decent sized group of Villa up Witton Lane towards the Holte. Which included the bloke Sox mentioned earlier with the cut head. The bloke was saying the police did it.
One noticeable thing were the amount of people stood around drinking. Some had shit loads of cans with them and can't remember ever seeing so many empties dumped on WL.
An element of 'lads' as well as a lot of pissed up blokes on both sides were out today.
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I hope every one of you enourmous pricks are named, shamed and have no opportunity to travel to Wembley.
You incredible shower of wankers. I hate you all
Pardon
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I think a lot of albion fans were embarrassed at what happened to myself and my daughter tonight. But like you say in a father of the bride speech I have total respect for her not backing down. I wonder if on the strippey filth message boards tonight they will be celebrating how a 54 year old villa fan with a 17 year old girl stood toe to toe with a fair few of their complete arseholes. I don't think even the noses would stoop that low.
Sounds like a young lady to be proud of but FFS why has she had to go through this?
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I've just watched MOTD and the fans coming on the pitch before the final whistle made me cringe.
You c***s. Indefensible.
Worse than those pinging seats off people's heads or attacking them at Witton Station? I want to hear this more condemnation for this to be honest
Well said & good to see Motd make the point about the WBA coward wankers that did that
But they didn't, did they? they mentioned Villa fans on the pitch AND seeing seats being thrown. There was no mention who was doing the throwing and it sounded like it was us.
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I hope every one of you enourmous pricks are named, shamed and have no opportunity to travel to Wembley.
You incredible shower of wankers. I hate you all
Pardon
Pardon what? The pathetic pitch invasion
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Happy, people coming onto the pitch was stupid but all day drinking would never help. Really moody outside but they are bitter bird's. Was a great atmosphere let's win this AND stay up
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Written before today:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11434193/White-male-football-fans-the-scum-its-great-to-hate.html
I didn't go today, so someone else had my seat in the L Holte, so I'm just wondering how many of those that went on the pitch before the game ended
were regulars/st holders.
My guess is that very few were and that the majority were once in a while opportunists.
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Two more wins and my eyes have seen the glory of the Villa win the cup.
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Written before today:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11434193/White-male-football-fans-the-scum-its-great-to-hate.html
I didn't go today, so someone else had my seat in the L Holte, so I'm just wondering how many of those that went on the pitch before the game ended
were regulars/st holders.
My guess is that very few were and that the majority were once in a while opportunists.
Final whistle there would have been loads of ST holders and regulars on the pitch.
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Also on the day of the semi Albion are away at palace
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It's great to get to the semi final but the end was ruined. Why invade the pitch at all? No opportunity to celebrate with the players after the game like Tuesday night because of idiots running on the pitch so they can take selfies.
I left the game on Tuesday night bouncing. I left the game tonight feeling like it was a bit of an anti climax
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It's great to get to the final but the end was ruined. Why invade the pitch at all? No opportunity to celebrate with the players after the game like Tuesday night because of idiots running on the pitch so they can take selfies.
I left the game on Tuesday night bouncing. I left the game tonight feeling like it was a bit of an anti climax
Careful you've only got a semi
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The 6,000 mile journey was worth it. Great to see the old place rocking; there's life in the old girl yet.
I hope the kid I saw with blood pouring from his head after that lot decided to throw their seating on our supporters is ok.
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It's great to get to the final but the end was ruined. Why invade the pitch at all? No opportunity to celebrate with the players after the game like Tuesday night because of idiots running on the pitch so they can take selfies.
I left the game on Tuesday night bouncing. I left the game tonight feeling like it was a bit of an anti climax
Careful you've only got a semi
A bit premature there. Edited
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Benjamin Zephaniah was in the lower Holte tonight. My nephew got a photo with him, the jammy bollocks.
From around 54 seconds in.
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Also on the day of the semi Albion are away at palace
Both semi days?
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Anyone see the guy with a dildo on his head at 94:50?
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No but I saw potato head outside the Trinity before the game.
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Anyone see the guy with a dildo on his head at 94:50?
Urgh. He was sitting a few rows in front of us.
I'd take a hundred pitch invasions over that sort of forced wackiness.
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Anyone see the guy with a dildo on his head at 94:50?
He's bald and has a pink dildo including balls sticking vertically from his head.
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Written before today:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11434193/White-male-football-fans-the-scum-its-great-to-hate.html
I didn't go today, so someone else had my seat in the L Holte, so I'm just wondering how many of those that went on the pitch before the game ended
were regulars/st holders.
My guess is that very few were and that the majority were once in a while opportunists.
Final whistle there would have been loads of ST holders and regulars on the pitch.
As I watched it from Holte after the final whistle, I have to say that I don't think I've ever seen as many people involved in a pitch invasion before.
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Benjamin Zephaniah was in the lower Holte tonight. My nephew got a photo with him, the jammy bollocks.
From around 54 seconds in.
Wonderful night, slightly marred by the few village idiots.
On that clip the collective intake of breath before going mental is something else.
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Written before today:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11434193/White-male-football-fans-the-scum-its-great-to-hate.html
I didn't go today, so someone else had my seat in the L Holte, so I'm just wondering how many of those that went on the pitch before the game ended
were regulars/st holders.
My guess is that very few were and that the majority were once in a while opportunists.
Final whistle there would have been loads of ST holders and regulars on the pitch.
As I watched it from Holte after the final whistle, I have to say that I don't think I've ever seen as many people involved in a pitch invasion before.
Seemed about the same as Inter, Tranmere, Blackburn and Arsenal to me.
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Just relieved to get home in one piece. Whoever thought playing this game on a Saturday night was wise needs dragging over the coals. I've only once been in fear of my own safety at a game before, and that was the first game with Blues at the sty.
I notice we've released a statement condemning the pitch invasion. I trust West Brom will be doing the same for the utter tossers who were raining things down on us in the North Stand, and also the ones at Witton station. The pitch invasion was wrong, but for Lawro to compare it to the 1980s is way over the top given the moronic behaviour of the Albion lot.
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Great night and I even think we will stay up. Second half we looked like a probing and an attacking team. As to the fans who went on the pitch too early ..... Get over yourselves and chill. Nobody died. Fed up of the 'over outrage society ' we now seem to live in.
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Anyone see the guy with a dildo on his head at 94:50?
Yep, the most random thing I've seen since the Chelsea fan brushing his teeth midway through the first half of a game .
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Written before today:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11434193/White-male-football-fans-the-scum-its-great-to-hate.html
I didn't go today, so someone else had my seat in the L Holte, so I'm just wondering how many of those that went on the pitch before the game ended
were regulars/st holders.
My guess is that very few were and that the majority were once in a while opportunists.
Final whistle there would have been loads of ST holders and regulars on the pitch.
As I watched it from Holte after the final whistle, I have to say that I don't think I've ever seen as many people involved in a pitch invasion before.
Seemed about the same as Inter, Tranmere, Blackburn and Arsenal to me.
The years might have altered the memory of those particular ones and it might have just been the view from the Holte, but it looked absolutely rammed on there.
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First game in 5 years today, since the last final, the buzz might be returning. An "are you watching Paul Lambert" would have been nice.
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Written before today:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/11434193/White-male-football-fans-the-scum-its-great-to-hate.html
I didn't go today, so someone else had my seat in the L Holte, so I'm just wondering how many of those that went on the pitch before the game ended
were regulars/st holders.
My guess is that very few were and that the majority were once in a while opportunists.
Final whistle there would have been loads of ST holders and regulars on the pitch.
As I watched it from Holte after the final whistle, I have to say that I don't think I've ever seen as many people involved in a pitch invasion before.
Seemed about the same as Inter, Tranmere, Blackburn and Arsenal to me.
The years might have altered the memory of those particular ones and it might have just been the view from the Holte, but it looked absolutely rammed on there.
The difference was, we waited til the whistle had blown.
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One or two reports on social media about Albion players being assaulted after the invasion.
If thats true, I can see us being kicked out
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Surely would have been mentioned during post match press interviews rather than on Twitter?
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It'll be a fine, a quite right. The Albin shoud be fined too for the seat throwing .
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One or two reports on social media about Albion players being assaulted after the invasion.
If thats true, I can see us being kicked out
Mostly being spread by unhappy noses and the like
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Just seen MOTD. Who on earth edited those highlights? They made it look as though Albion had all the chances and we hit them on the counter attack twice. The post match questions to Pulis made it sound like that was the case as well. Was that the case with the commentary during the game?
We were firmly on top in the 2nd half and had a number of chances that they didn't show, just like they didn't show Delph hitting the post on Tuesday. They on the other had created one good chance in open play in 180 minutes of football.
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I didn't see any attacks on Albion player,surely would have been on BBC or their website
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Daily Mail
Aston Villa face a major FA inquiry, a substantial fine and the threat of a ground closure after West Bromwich Albion players appeared to be assaulted as the FA Cup quarter-final at Villa Park descended into chaos with an unrestrained pitch invasion joined by thousands of Villa fans.
In alarming scenes, which were a throwback to the football hooliganism of the Seventies and Eighties, West Brom players were left defenceless as fans rushed on to the pitch.
Scorer Fabian Delph claimed he was bitten, while Boaz Myhill, Craig Dawson and Callum McManaman all appeared to be barged aggressively, and the latter seemingly struck on the back of the head by one fan as Dawson attempted to shepherd him off.
The FA can impose a range of sanctions from ground closure to fines, if the club have been considered negligent. There is no prospect of Villa being thrown out of the tournament but any ground closure or reduction in capacity could affect the team in their fight against relegation. The most likely outcome would seem to be a fine in the region of £100,000.
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Talking of Twitter, is Sophia Sanchez Carlos's bird?
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Daily Mail
Aston Villa face a major FA inquiry, a substantial fine and the threat of a ground closure after West Bromwich Albion players appeared to be assaulted as the FA Cup quarter-final at Villa Park descended into chaos with an unrestrained pitch invasion joined by thousands of Villa fans.
In alarming scenes, which were a throwback to the football hooliganism of the Seventies and Eighties, West Brom players were left defenceless as fans rushed on to the pitch.
Scorer Fabian Delph claimed he was bitten, while Boaz Myhill, Craig Dawson and Callum McManaman all appeared to be barged aggressively, and the latter seemingly struck on the back of the head by one fan as Dawson attempted to shepherd him off.
The FA can impose a range of sanctions from ground closure to fines, if the club have been considered negligent. There is no prospect of Villa being thrown out of the tournament but any ground closure or reduction in capacity could affect the team in their fight against relegation. The most likely outcome would seem to be a fine in the region of £100,000.
Oh yeah, it was just like when Millwall fans ripped up Kenilworth Road or the Blues v Leeds game at St Andrews. FFS.
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Because there hasn't been a pitch invasion for a while on live bbc TV is being totally overplayed.
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I have seen a couple of reports that McManaman was giving as good as he got before Dawson hoiked him off. I was disappointed that Pulis was very quick to point the blame finger at Villa without condemning his own fans for chucking seats.
Also, is the stewarding and policing of a game like this not a joint effort, with WM police and some of the stewards from Albion in use too?
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Daily Mail
Aston Villa face a major FA inquiry, a substantial fine and the threat of a ground closure after West Bromwich Albion players appeared to be assaulted as the FA Cup quarter-final at Villa Park descended into chaos with an unrestrained pitch invasion joined by thousands of Villa fans.
In alarming scenes, which were a throwback to the football hooliganism of the Seventies and Eighties, West Brom players were left defenceless as fans rushed on to the pitch.
Scorer Fabian Delph claimed he was bitten, while Boaz Myhill, Craig Dawson and Callum McManaman all appeared to be barged aggressively, and the latter seemingly struck on the back of the head by one fan as Dawson attempted to shepherd him off.
The FA can impose a range of sanctions from ground closure to fines, if the club have been considered negligent. There is no prospect of Villa being thrown out of the tournament but any ground closure or reduction in capacity could affect the team in their fight against relegation. The most likely outcome would seem to be a fine in the region of £100,000.
Apparently the press repeating this third hand have not actually seen the interview where he says this. Its on the BBC website. He is openly laughing when he says it.
He then after in another interview when asked about it says "Villa fans will get no criticism from me, they were fantastic today."
Honestly I know the sports press are pretty bad but they are reaching new levels of hysterical over reaction here.
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Come on, you've got to see the funny side of it all!...
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/fastest-linesman-england-5291868#rlabs=3 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/fastest-linesman-england-5291868#rlabs=3)
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Daily Mail
Aston Villa face a major FA inquiry, a substantial fine and the threat of a ground closure after West Bromwich Albion players appeared to be assaulted as the FA Cup quarter-final at Villa Park descended into chaos with an unrestrained pitch invasion joined by thousands of Villa fans.
In alarming scenes, which were a throwback to the football hooliganism of the Seventies and Eighties, West Brom players were left defenceless as fans rushed on to the pitch.
Scorer Fabian Delph claimed he was bitten, while Boaz Myhill, Craig Dawson and Callum McManaman all appeared to be barged aggressively, and the latter seemingly struck on the back of the head by one fan as Dawson attempted to shepherd him off.
The FA can impose a range of sanctions from ground closure to fines, if the club have been considered negligent. There is no prospect of Villa being thrown out of the tournament but any ground closure or reduction in capacity could affect the team in their fight against relegation. The most likely outcome would seem to be a fine in the region of £100,000.
Apparently the press repeating this third hand have not actually seen the interview where he says this. Its on the BBC website. He is openly laughing when he says it.
He then after in another interview when asked about it says "Villa fans will get no criticism from me, they were fantastic today."
Honestly I know the sports press are pretty bad but they are reaching new levels of hysterical over reaction here.
They probably just read the BBC text updates of the game and decided to take that line from it.
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Daily Mail
Aston Villa face a major FA inquiry, a substantial fine and the threat of a ground closure after West Bromwich Albion players appeared to be assaulted as the FA Cup quarter-final at Villa Park descended into chaos with an unrestrained pitch invasion joined by thousands of Villa fans.
In alarming scenes, which were a throwback to the football hooliganism of the Seventies and Eighties, West Brom players were left defenceless as fans rushed on to the pitch.
Scorer Fabian Delph claimed he was bitten, while Boaz Myhill, Craig Dawson and Callum McManaman all appeared to be barged aggressively, and the latter seemingly struck on the back of the head by one fan as Dawson attempted to shepherd him off.
The FA can impose a range of sanctions from ground closure to fines, if the club have been considered negligent. There is no prospect of Villa being thrown out of the tournament but any ground closure or reduction in capacity could affect the team in their fight against relegation. The most likely outcome would seem to be a fine in the region of £100,000.
Apparently the press repeating this third hand have not actually seen the interview where he says this. Its on the BBC website. He is openly laughing when he says it.
He then after in another interview when asked about it says "Villa fans will get no criticism from me, they were fantastic today."
Honestly I know the sports press are pretty bad but they are reaching new levels of hysterical over reaction here.
They probably just read the BBC text updates of the game and decided to take that line from it.
I suppose I shouldn't expect any better but bloody hell its crazy.
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Sad to say the club have fucked it up big time. They thought the rigorous ticketing policy for the game would mean that they could divert resources from the holte.
Unfortunately they did not factor in the base stupididity of many layers of our support. Maybe these people have a point: watching through a high fence would be something like the truth. Monkeys on juice.
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To. Those sad bitters I thought my mates with tatooes get a life
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I would never sit below rival fans I don't want piss, coins and seats anywhere near my head, never had any bother in P8 but below.....no thanks.
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Sad to say the club have fucked it up big time. They thought the rigorous ticketing policy for the game would mean that they could divert resources from the holte.
Unfortunately they did not factor in the base stupididity of many layers of our support. Maybe these people have a point: watching through a high fence would be something like the truth. Monkeys on juice.
Many layers? Come on.
Some of our support, like the small number who ran on after the goal and before the whistle.
Some of Albion's support who threw seats, again a small number.
No problem personally with an exuberant pitch invasion at the end of a quarter final.
There were 40,000 people in the ground. Fewer than 1% were behaving like dickheads.
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Look at them. This is not natural exuberance. They are taking selfies waving at the cameras and trying to get a piece of the players. Like schoolgirls with Beatlemania.
The club trusted us and they have been rewarded royally.
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Look at them. This is not natural exuberance. They are taking selfies waving at the cameras and trying to get a piece of the players. Like schoolgirls with Beatlemania.
The club trusted us and they have been rewarded royally.
I'd call that exuberance. Exactly like Beatlemania. Getting carried away with happiness, wanting to get close to players and say well done and give them a big hug.
Although being on the receiving end of such extravagant affection is probably not as much fun, especially if somebody wants your boot as a memento.
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I have seen a couple of reports that McManaman was giving as good as he got before Dawson hoiked him off. I was disappointed that Pulis was very quick to point the blame finger at Villa without condemning his own fans for chucking seats.
Also, is the stewarding and policing of a game like this not a joint effort, with WM police and some of the stewards from Albion in use too?
Just watched the end in glorious HD and as the fans ran on McManaman actually looks
like he jumps on purpose into the path of a fan running on, he actually switched his feet to try and trip the fan up. The fan swerves to miss him and just carries on running.
If you can check it out yourself, he's the player nearest the far post when the whistle sounds. Looks like he instigated something maybe out of frustration but to be fair to the fan he just kept running to celebrate with a Villa player.
I wouldn't put anything past those sanctimonious tossers to turn this into a Villa witch hunt, that would be right up their street and be completely ignoring the seat throwing , far more dangerous and menacing. The Meaning Evil and WM will probably have a field day if we let them.
They'll be a bit of a stink for a couple of days, the Villa get a fine, the Albion should also get some sort of fine and we'll all move on, ditching 5.30 pm Saturday kick offs for local derbies inthe process. Which lets face it was dumb but purely to fit in with the TV.
We're going to Wembley, we're going to Wembley you're not, you're not...................
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How nice it's been to wake up this week and look for the Villa results!
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The greed of the FA
& the BBC
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Fantastic Victory! Fantastic Week and we are starting to get our club back!!! It's important complacency and ego doesn't kick in to the team!! As sherwood said there will be rough times too
Yesterday first half they had the chances but after the first half hour and the odd set piece they rarely threatened after that!
What I like so far is the players look they are improving and the belief is returning! Sherwood is getting the simple things right playing to players strengths!
Gabby was everywhere yesterday running moving something we haven't seen for months! The reason under Lambert he had become lazy and protected sherwood is letting none of them hide!
Lowton NZog and Cleverley all look much improved players! Scott Sinclair is also showing with a run of games what an asset he could turn out to be!
Sherwood wants to play direct with speed pace and power and we do have players who can hurt teams if played the right way!
What I'm encouraged by is I can't see many games now where we won't have a few chances and don't put the effort in
My MOTM yesterday was a toss up between NZog or Sinclair who would of said that a week ago
We must keep our feet on the ground and focus back on the battle and beat Sunderland and get something against Swansea!
In terms of the pitch invasion the timing of the game was stupid and the policing even worse inside but some of our fans need to take a long hard look at themselves many went on to celebrate others only wanted to incite trouble! We don't want the inciters as fans of our great club!!
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Firstly, you had to be there to know three things - first the incredibly hyper atmosphere which had been pumped up - I have been to a few games at VP and the mixture of Lambert going, cliff hanging relegation and long suppressed performance frustration was more explosive than I have seen for many years. Secondly I think the stewarding was not adequate or properly deployed. At 90 minutes it was clear where the dam was going to burst but none of the stewards from the less volatile parts of the perimeter was deployed to the problem area and thirdly the TV decision to play the game at 5.30 at a time when the idiot faction had been getting tanked up all day was utter money driven madness. We in the vast majority voiced our opinion of the pitch invasion by chanting and booing the invasion. The media have very selective memories and no mention will be made of numerous pitch invasions by Manchester United fans at Villa Park. The whole episode is grist to the mill of the bourgeois football haters who take their opinions and outrage against life in general from places like the Daily Mail.
I was proud to be a Villa fan yesterday and no administrative error by the club or greed of the broadcasters or pissed up kids is going to change that.
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N'Zogbia's been playing pleasantly well - nice to see glimpses of why we bought him. I'm pleased to see that we are beginning to find our goal-scoring mojo again. Sinclair looks like a good find for us - do we have an option to buy him in the summer?
adrenachrome you say the club 'trusted us,' but unfortunately if you look at the kick off time and the opposition, then couple those things with the fact it's the FA Cup quarter final, then think about the fact we played them on Tuesday so the tensions are already running high, then Pulis was right: it was horrendously short-sighted of them. I'd also say that whilst it was moronic, I didn't see much more than celebrations happening.
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In essence, I agree with what Brian said above.
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I also don't understand how on earth fans going on to the pitch is getting far more coverage than the Baggies fans chucking seats and other objects down on the Lower North. I saw one hit a fairly elderly lady who seemed to have injured her wrist. Running onto the pitch though, is far worse.
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Looked awesome on tv for the full 99 mins- wish I could've been there for it
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The negative side of what happened yesterday is that it gives fuel to those who believe that standing areas at football grounds is a bad idea, and I have no doubt that the idiotic behaviour of the minority will be used in evidence against the notion of safe standing. Specifically the pitch invasion whilst players were still on the pitch and before the final whistle will be seen as hooliganism, not exuberance.
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It is a shame there was no police dogs presence there last night,if there had of been,i am sure the idiots who came onto the pitch,would have soon got off
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Back to the game. We had bad luck in the first two games and good luck in the next two. It was a very lambert performance first half but we've seen two excellent 45 minute performances in a week now. The best in ages.
Given 8 - bacuna 6 okore 7 Clark 7 lowton 5 - cleverley 7 Westwood 6 delph 8 - nzogbia 7 gabby 7 Sinclair 8
Okore, bacuna and both wingers massively improved for the second half
I thought lowton was awful
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I thought he had a good game, one bad pass aside. Funny how we all see things differently.
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This is from the BBC this morning. They seem to have added the boggie's behaviour into their report.
Sadly, the inevitable happened as the frustrations of Albion's fans at a harsh red card for Claudio Yacob and Villa's second goal from Scott Sinclair manifested itself in casual, mindless vandalism as claret seats were ripped out and hurled on to the pitch and in the direction of home fans housed directly below.
This was the signal for an unsavoury response from Villa supporters, goading their opponents mercilessly before embarking on scenes plucked from the dark days of the '70s and '80s. It was an atmosphere heavy with threat.
There was a mini-invasion before referee Anthony Taylor sounded the final whistle which held up play while stewards attempted to restore order, accompanied by the soundtrack of Villa supporters loudly jeering their own. And as fans congregated on the perimeter before the official conclusion, it was only too obvious this game would not end well. In truth it could not end soon enough once Villa went two-up.
Ground authorities were powerless to stop thousands of Villa supporters pouring on the pitch as referee Taylor headed for cover, not just celebrating with their own players but also surrounding and taunting members of the beaten Albion team.
Pulis understandably called for greater stewarding but it is also hard to judge how many you would actually need to halt that human tide intent on getting on to the pitch.
Many Villa fans were on the pitch in jubilation but this misses the point entirely. This is still an offence and it was clear that the safety of some West Brom players was threatened and compromised.
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During both this weeks games there has been long spells when the opposition didn't look like scoring. Second half yesterday Albion created nothing from open play as far as I recall. That bodes well. I can see improvements all over the pitch. Nice to see Delph playing further forward second half.
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Anyone see the guy with a dildo on his head at 94:50?
He's bald and has a pink dildo including balls sticking vertically from his head.
I'm afraid to say I was laughing so much when I saw him running onto the pitch
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I thought he had a good game, one bad pass aside. Funny how we all see things differently.
Second that,not motm but he definitely put a shift in and looks like a promising player again.
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Matt Lowton is the new Ricky Scimeca. Expected to play anywhere any time and slagged off if he makes mistakes. One mistake apart I thought he played his part in a well earned victory.
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:)Pitch invasion before final whistle totally unacceptable. Pitch invasion after final whistle no problem for me, would have preferred to see the players take their acclaim however. Absolutely brilliant occasion, loved it, total over reaction by the media. Good to hear some positive comments from Jamie Carragher ( on pitch himself 1985 semi final ), Stan Collymore and Rupert Bell( on the pitch with his 16 year old son last night.
Villa Park is a wonderful place to be on nights like that.
UTV. :)
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What an improvement in the second half.
As for those utter fucking idiots legging it on the pitch before full time, I hope they all get banned. Two nil up and cruising into the semi final, a minute to go and you're running on the fucking pitch?
Small time twats.
They belong at the Sty - where their IQ would be more at home.
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What an improvement in the second half.
As for those utter fucking idiots legging it on the pitch before full time, I hope they all get banned. Two nil up and cruising into the semi final, a minute to go and you're running on the fucking pitch?
Small time twats.
They belong at the Sty - where their IQ would be more at home.
Well it would likely improve the average IQ at the Sty at the very least
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I would never sit below rival fans I don't want piss, coins and seats anywhere near my head, never had any bother in P8 but below.....no thanks.
Howzat ! He held the catch.
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I bet bluenose Gardener was pissed off last night and never went out the house. What a awful week it has been for him getting beat by the Villa twice and to top it off being replaced.
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A selection of comments from the bitters forum made me chuckle
We can get relegated for all I care now, they have let us down massively. A massive part of my love for the Albion has died today, will take a lot to get it back
The consequences of the last five days are potentially devastating. I'm 40 years old and can't remember feeling as low as this ever and that includes the Derby play-off final defeat and various relegations. Going into this week Villa were on the ropes, staring relegation in the face. We had the opportunity to put them away twice. This is a very poor Villa side. And yet we bottled it twice.
Cons: we were absolutely f*cking appalling. Gutless.
Pros: made £2 from having them bounced off my head by those scum.
Another pathetic performance by a bunch of over paid t***s f*****g gutted won't win football playing that garbage just hope these defeats don't send us on a run of bad results. Brown is shit that's official
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I wasnt entirely convinced by the appointment of Sherwood, Im still not, but that was some half time team talk. We were abysmal first half and there for the taking, second half there was only one winner. Some magnificent performances and it would have been nice to have applauded the players effort and celebrated with them. Ive been on the pitch plenty of times when i was young and stupid though.
Fantastic atmosphere in the ground, Trinity was rocking.
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Firstly, you had to be there to know three things - first the incredibly hyper atmosphere which had been pumped up - I have been to a few games at VP and the mixture of Lambert going, cliff hanging relegation and long suppressed performance frustration was more explosive than I have seen for many years. Secondly I think the stewarding was not adequate or properly deployed. At 90 minutes it was clear where the dam was going to burst but none of the stewards from the less volatile parts of the perimeter was deployed to the problem area and thirdly the TV decision to play the game at 5.30 at a time when the idiot faction had been getting tanked up all day was utter money driven madness. We in the vast majority voiced our opinion of the pitch invasion by chanting and booing the invasion. The media have very selective memories and no mention will be made of numerous pitch invasions by Manchester United fans at Villa Park. The whole episode is grist to the mill of the bourgeois football haters who take their opinions and outrage against life in general from places like the Daily Mail.
I was proud to be a Villa fan yesterday and no administrative error by the club or greed of the broadcasters or pissed up kids is going to change that.
God Points. The media have been ramping up the excitement especially since Tuesday. I thinks the rivalry has been massively underestimated particularly in such important fixtures.
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I remember thinking at Anderlecht we could get kicked out because of this. I thought yesterday the FA could take action against us apart from the expected big fine. Today I still think they might do something' but what I don't know.
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I remember thinking at Anderlecht we could get kicked out because of this. I thought yesterday the FA could take action against us apart from the expected big fine. Today I still think they might do something' but what I don't know.
Anderlect was different as they wanted the result annuled by claiming that they had been in a goal scoring position when the fans came on the pitch, which was then judged not to have been the case.
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Matt Lowton is the new Ricky Scimeca. Expected to play anywhere any time and slagged off if he makes mistakes. One mistake apart I thought he played his part in a well earned victory.
I like Lowton and even under Lambert I thought he was key to how we tried to play. He tries to get forward and has a decent cross. yes, he can be up and down defensively but does more good than bad. In the first half he was caught out a few times but was pulled out of position often first-half as the Albion looked to play balls down his channel and get behind him. But I like Lowton and would rather have him in the team than out.
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Brilliant second half and what a brilliant atmosphere. Shame about the idiots going on the pitch but apart from that what a great day.
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I don't get at all how the pundits in all their wisdom, and that moaning cock Pulis, cannot see that Yacob has left one on Bacuna and got that decision spot on.
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Matt Lowton is the new Ricky Scimeca. Expected to play anywhere any time and slagged off if he makes mistakes. One mistake apart I thought he played his part in a well earned victory.
I like Lowton and even under Lambert I thought he was key to how we tried to play. He tries to get forward and has a decent cross. yes, he can be up and down defensively but does more good than bad. In the first half he was caught out a few times but was pulled out of position often first-half as the Albion looked to play balls down his channel and get behind him. But I like Lowton and would rather have him in the team than out.
Yes, I would be far more critical of Bacuna who seemed to have inherited the awful passing mantle from Sanchez at the Arsenal match. His delivery was truly shocking all match. He can defend ok but is dreadful going forward in terms of his distribution
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Wow, the meeja are baying for blood. I don't think the atmosphere was anything like how that report is describing it. Not where I was sat anyway.
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great second half, but I'm getting annoyed at all this lambasting of our own fans.
The fans who invaded the pitch early, obviously thought the whistle had gone, there has been so much overreaction to this. It was harmless and only held the game up for less than a minute.
After that the full pitch invasion at the end is nothing different from what we see every year at various clubs.
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I don't get at all how the pundits in all their wisdom, and that moaning cock Pulis, cannot see that Yacob has left one on Bacuna and got that decision spot on.
I certainly thought it was much more of a possible red card than everyone else who appeared to dismiss it out of hand. He was two-footed, both feet off the ground
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Wow, the meeja are baying for blood. I don't think the atmosphere was anything like how that report is describing it. Not where I was sat anyway.
It wasn't was it? You would have thought it was a re-run of the infamous Blues match the way the likes of the Mail is carrying on. Thought it was a brilliant atmosphere, not poisonous.
The media will move on very quickly I think but we will get a hefty fine no doubt.
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Brendan Batson being very measured about it on R5 now, nice guy, very sensible point of view
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After that the full pitch invasion at the end is nothing different from what we see every year at various clubs.
How many times have you seen an FA Cup 6th round tie end in a pitch invasion? Aside of the more serious risk of one of the pissed up idiots on the pitch giving an Albion player a slap (or worse) it's embarrassingly small time to get so excited about a game which only means we're through to the next round of a cup competition.
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Brendan Batson being very measured about it on R5 now, nice guy, very sensible point of view
Stuart Pearce too. They seem genuinely puzzled by the press over reaction.
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I don't get at all how the pundits in all their wisdom, and that moaning cock Pulis, cannot see that Yacob has left one on Bacuna and got that decision spot on.
That happened just below us, everyone around me didnt think it was a foul, let alone a red card.
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Yesterday there were 3 things at villa park that I haven't seen altogether for quite a while. A manager with passion, players with passion and a crowd with passion.
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I've just watched MOTD and the fans coming on the pitch before the final whistle made me cringe.
You c***s. Indefensible.
Worse than those pinging seats off people's heads or attacking them at Witton Station? I want to hear this more condemnation for this to be honest
That makes it alright then? I don't care what the Albion did; what we we did was in front of the nations cameras. If you think those twats who ran on the pitch with minutes to go are justified for doing that because the away fans were worse, then so be it.
We're Aston Villa. We're better than that.
You extrapolate sir. Running on a pitch vs physical assault? I know what I consider more important.
I think the collective Villa ego is very raw at the moment - the vast majority did not run on the pitch and, like me and yourself I would imagine, voiced their disapproval long and loud.
Next... move on...
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great second half, but I'm getting annoyed at all this lambasting of our own fans.
The fans who invaded the pitch early, obviously thought the whistle had gone, there has been so much overreaction to this. It was harmless and only held the game up for less than a minute.
After that the full pitch invasion at the end is nothing different from what we see every year at various clubs.
Couldnt agree more. This is being blown out of all proportion.
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Did anyone else find Woodward's announcement of the QPR result at half time utterly cringeworthy?
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Those football writers on Sky now discussing it, a lot of talk of the kick off time.
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After that the full pitch invasion at the end is nothing different from what we see every year at various clubs.
How many times have you seen an FA Cup 6th round tie end in a pitch invasion? Aside of the more serious risk of one of the pissed up idiots on the pitch giving an Albion player a slap (or worse) it's embarrassingly small time to get so excited about a game which only means we're through to the next round of a cup competition.
I can understand the pitch invasion after the final whistle, the fans have had absolutely nothing to celebrate since O'Neill's departure. They have had to put up watching dross for the last 5 seasons, as well as a yearly battle to stay in the prem. For a club of our size that is a disgrace.
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I think a lot of albion fans were embarrassed at what happened to myself and my daughter tonight. But like you say in a father of the bride speech I have total respect for her not backing down. I wonder if on the strippey filth message boards tonight they will be celebrating how a 54 year old villa fan with a 17 year old girl stood toe to toe with a fair few of their complete arseholes. I don't think even the noses would stoop that low.
Oh yes the would.
Well done for standing your ground. They were singing 'you're still going down' Told them to finish the line '....south to Wembley. .'
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great second half, but I'm getting annoyed at all this lambasting of our own fans.
The fans who invaded the pitch early, obviously thought the whistle had gone, there has been so much overreaction to this. It was harmless and only held the game up for less than a minute.
After that the full pitch invasion at the end is nothing different from what we see every year at various clubs.
Couldnt agree more. This is being blown out of all proportion.
Thirded. Not our finest hour which put a damper on things but an overreaction not seen since the Y2K bug.
Perfect whine for the Bitters though " Uz Olbiyun, wor olwayz ard dun bye".
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I had a great day. Didn't see any trouble, fantastic atmosphere in ground. N'Zogbia motm for me. Thought their sending off was wrong but who cares really. Big smiles still today. Up the Villa.
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Benjamin Zephaniah was in the lower Holte tonight. My nephew got a photo with him, the jammy bollocks.
From around 54 seconds in.
I have to say this brings a tear to my eye when the second goal goes in and you see the celebrations. Reminds me of Highbury, Rotterdam, Old Trafford in 77 and Wembley in 75 and 94
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Can anyone just get a little gif of that simpleton who said 'Theym nuthin wifowt Benteke'
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The lot who went on before the final whistle are twats, no doubt. I sincerely hope they are identified, and banned, particularly from buying Wembely tickets.
But, watching the BBC coverage again and Pearce and Lawrenceson's over reaction to the invasion 'after' the the final whistle, their commentary is just totally and utterly ridiculous.
It's fucking twats like this that influence the opinion of the watching public, and speaking in tones as if the queen had died put a much more negative spin on the whole thing than was necessary.
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I don't mind the invasions to celebrate with players when we score. It happens a lot away from home. I thought the invasion on 90 minutes really soured it a little and we were giving the idiots stick to get off.
We were very poor first half and could have been a goal down, which Sherwood acknowledged. Much better second half using our pace to cause them trouble.
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There was some old, bald Albion fan offering Villa fans out by the old ratpan after the game. Everyone was taking the piss out of the silly old sod.
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I wonder just how many of those twats who went on before the final whilstle had also been to the Blackpool, Bournemouth and Leicester matches?
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First half they were the better team. Second half, our pace caught them out, especially after the first goal.
After the shit we've watched over the last two season, we deserve a day out at Wembley. Knocking the Stripeyfilth out on the way is very nice as well.
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Didn't some pubs in Smethwick open at 8am a few seasons ago for a lunch time Villa/Boggies game? My point being if people wanted to get pissed before the game, kick off time wasn't going to be a deterrent.
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I just watched that 3 times, makes the hairs on the back of your neck stand up
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It is a shame there was no police dogs presence there last night,if there had of been,i am sure the idiots who came onto the pitch,would have soon got off
Like the Police Horses WMP have made most of them redundant.
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Man Yanited glory hunting fans run on our pitch every season for 20 odd years it seems and the bbc etc never say a word about it.
Oh and what about that Ronny Radford goal v arsenal which is fa cup golden heritage which yields a jubilant mass invasion.
Hypocrites.
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It is a shame there was no police dogs presence there last night,if there had of been,i am sure the idiots who came onto the pitch,would have soon got off
Like the Police Horses WMP have made most of them redundant.
I'm acting for several Police dogs that are bringing Unfair Dismissal claims before the Employment Tribunal.
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I have herd Albion fans complaining that they were stuck on coaches on the Aston Expressway and missed the kick off due to a bit of trouble.
Why come on a coach to a game four miles away?
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Also, our biggest win of the season and without Benteke or the strikers scoring.
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Man Yanited glory hunting fans run on our pitch every season for 20 odd years it seems and the bbc etc never say a word about it.
Oh and what about that Ronny Radford goal v arsenal which is fa cup golden heritage which yields a jubilant mass invasion.
Hypocrites.
Well exactly, they bloody well show that at the beginning of any hyped up intro they want to do to the Cup! Still, they will soon forget about it as soon as the 'tie of the round' hoves into view on Monday.
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But, watching the BBC coverage again and Pearce and Lawrenceson's over reaction to the invasion 'after' the the final whistle, their commentary is just totally and utterly ridiculous.
It's fucking twats like this that influence the opinion of the watching public, and speaking in tones as if the queen had died put a much more negative spin on the whole thing than was necessary.
This pisses me off no end too. These tossers haven't paid to get into a game ever and have probably never stood on a terrace in their lives. They are amongst the least qualified people to have the first fucking idea of the emotions of truly supporting a football club, the sacrifices that entails and the highs and lows that you've accumulated down the years. They've not a fucking clue.
If they did they wouldn't have been carrying on like we were the Midlands manifestation of IS. We may aswell play the games in a subuteo stadium filled by cardboard cut outs in future. I'm sure someone on the BBC will no doubt show the Ronnie Radford goal in the early 70's followed by the pitch invasion of green parkas in some 'Magic of the Cup' look how clever we are piece on Cup Final day. Fucking clueless hypocrites!!
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Also, our biggest win of the season and without Benteke or the strikers scoring.
First match between Villa and Albion in the Premier League era that has been decided by more than a single goal margin.
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Man Yanited glory hunting fans run on our pitch every season for 20 odd years it seems and the bbc etc never say a word about it.
Oh and what about that Ronny Radford goal v arsenal which is fa cup golden heritage which yields a jubilant mass invasion.
Hypocrites.
Great point.I've run on pitches and always with sheer joy and abandon
Time for a bit of love and understanding
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Also - I remember after our Blackburn semi final pitch invasion, Lineker's commentary being all about how it was all good natured and it was just fans enjoying their moment & lovely to see.
I didn't go on the pitch that day because I was worried about the thought of some kind of ban, but after the way our last pitch invasion was received - I was really tempted last night. In fact, if it hadn't been for the early invasion, I probably would have gone on at full time.
I thought there were more on the pitch last night than for the league cup semi, and I wonder how many were influenced by the lack of censure for the last time we did it?
The last time I was on the pitch was in the 80s. It was when we got promoted, and I didn't even think I could get over the fence, but as I started climbing, the lads around me just got me over! I remember an announcement that the players wouldn't come back out till we'd cleared the pitch, and laughing my head off because I was in a crowd carrying Nigel Spink shoulder high!
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You can argue those in the north lower ran on for safety as they were being pelted with seats from above.
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I did say that I would take Pulis when the other manager was here, so glad we didn't
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Man Yanited glory hunting fans run on our pitch every season for 20 odd years it seems and the bbc etc never say a word about it.
Oh and what about that Ronny Radford goal v arsenal which is fa cup golden heritage which yields a jubilant mass invasion.
Hypocrites.
I mentioned the Man Utd cup game yesterday to someone after the game. That kind of thing is easily forgotten.
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Man Yanited glory hunting fans run on our pitch every season for 20 odd years it seems and the bbc etc never say a word about it.
Oh and what about that Ronny Radford goal v arsenal which is fa cup golden heritage which yields a jubilant mass invasion.
Hypocrites.
That's a very good point
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I don't necessarily have a problem with coming on at the final whistle. A trip to Wembley after so many years of absolute shit is going to cause excitment. Before the final whistle though? Idiotic.
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Oh and what about that Ronny Radford goal v arsenal which is fa cup golden heritage which yields a jubilant mass invasion.
Hypocrites.
Are you seriously comparing us to Hereford? (And wasn't it against Newcastle?)
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To be fair to the Bitters over on www.westbrom.com they seem more bothered about the idiots in the away end throwing the seats.
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You can argue those in the north lower ran on for safety as they were being pelted with seats from above.
You could but it wouldn't be true, would it?
The first one as everyone has said was pathetic but the stewarding and policing concentrated at the other end was asking for trouble.
Second half we were great, we upped the tempo and they just could not handle it. Considering the players that were unavailable it was impressive stuff. Early days, I know, but we might just have found ourselves a proper manager.
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Oh and what about that Ronny Radford goal v arsenal which is fa cup golden heritage which yields a jubilant mass invasion.
Hypocrites.
Are you seriously comparing us to Hereford? (And wasn't it against Newcastle?)
I'm simply highlighting how the BBC are complete hypocrites.
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The first pitch invasion was pissed up lads, which is and was unacceptable, we can't defend that whilst the game is going on
The final whistle invasion is everyone, women kids children, BBC had a young lad pictured must have been 8/9 years old standing on the pitch in his Villa colours doing a victory fist, what they going to do hunt him down and drag him through the courts
Sticking up for the BBC a bit, Lineker got it spot on with his comments after the match I though,
At the end of the day you won't get this at Old Traford, Stamford or Anfield, with their corporate half and half scarf supporting fans, it's a sanitised environment, Villa Park isn't
It could have been worse though, can you imagine if the same game was played at an identical time against Blues, it would have been mayhem, it would probably have been abandoned
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Jonas Olsson was on our train back to Euston last night. Top marks to Kingthing for drunkenly trying to sell him a ticket for the West London Lions coach trip to the Swansea game.
And Staunton was drinking in the Sacred Heart before the game.
What a day. It's been many a year since I've enjoyed a home game so much
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What did Lineker say after the game?
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Oh and what about that Ronny Radford goal v arsenal which is fa cup golden heritage which yields a jubilant mass invasion.
Hypocrites.
Are you seriously comparing us to Hereford? (And wasn't it against Newcastle?)
I'm sure he only means its ok for the BBC to go all bleary eyed over the iconic moment of fans on the pitch but go way over the top on their reporting last night.
It was daft I agree charging on the pitch before the game had finished and if that didn't happen the other moments of fans on the pitch after the game and when Sinclair scored probably would not have been reported.
My main gripe is the BBC reporting on the way they did but it was them who dictated we play the Worlds oldest local derby on a Saturday evening. At one point the camera zoomed on this Villa fan probably in his 50's and he looked so pumped up and so charged up with booze, he looked like he was about to go mental. He had a real look of madness in his eyes.
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What did Lineker say after the game?
He said the first pitch invasion was not good for obvious reasons, but the final whistle invasion was mainly high spirits and on that sort of occasion was sort of acceptable
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Regarding drinking I agree that there are unscrupulous and greedy people who will sell alcohol regardless of the time of day but that only draws into the equation the reality that Britain is awash with cheap alcohol and stuffed with those who want to make money out of selling it. Go down to any town centre or any A and E on a Saturday night and see the price society is paying for the deregulation of the alcohol industry. Like the deregulation of gambling it began with Blair and has become a massive problem in the contemporary have/have not society we live in today. That is several other topics.
As for the righteous indignation and centre stage "look at me I am outraged" posture of the media and its commentators, we football fans must take the same sort of stand that gay, muslim, disabled, black, old, fat, catholic minorities have done to protect themselves against stereotypical prejudice. An event like yesterday declares open season for the Lawrensons and Linekers of the world to build their careers to even greater undeserved heights by implying that people who go to football matches are somehow inferior and deeply flawed and should be subjected to constraints over and above the law of the land. Every minority has the same problem, gay people are called qu**r, muslims are pa**s, disabled people are cripples and so on. We football fans are portrayed as either active or latent hooligans.
The whole existences of people like Lawrenson revolve around the finding of ways to become "the voice of the people" "Mr Sensible" "someone who tells it how it is". He/they are none of those things, they are careerists seeking to exploit a situation to their personal advantage by peddling prejudice. On 606 last night Fletcher and Savage went into self righteous melt down when the tweet came through that Fabian Delph had been bitten by a fan. When an actual interview with FD went out they were moderately sheepish but desperately wanted the credit for punchy as-it-happens broadcasting. That was not what you did you pricks, you disseminated unconfirmed allegations that were untrue for purely personal attention.
If a fan tears out a seat and throws it down on the head of an old lady below the law of the land is in place to punish the lawbreaker, likewise the alleged danger to Albion players. Apprehend the guilty and punish them. That is the way society is built to work, not through kangaroo courts of Lawrenson, Lineker, Pulis, Savage, Fletcher and Uncle Tom Cobleigh.
When the crowd at Silverstone surged onto the track at the end of the British Grand Prix won by Nigel Mansell, a fan was actually run over by him. The fan stated "I consider it a great honour to be run over by Nigel" and the whole thing passed off amicably. Some of that sense of proportion has to be brought back into football.
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Oh and what about that Ronny Radford goal v arsenal which is fa cup golden heritage which yields a jubilant mass invasion.
Hypocrites.
Are you seriously comparing us to Hereford? (And wasn't it against Newcastle?)
I'm sure he only means its ok for the BBC to go all bleary eyed over the iconic moment of fans on the pitch but go way over the top on their reporting last night.
It was daft I agree charging on the pitch before the game had finished and if that didn't happen the other moments of fans on the pitch after the game and when Sinclair scored probably would not have been reported.
My main gripe is the BBC reporting on the way they did but it was them who dictated we play the Worlds oldest local derby on a Saturday evening. At one point the camera zoomed on this Villa fan probably in his 50's and he looked so pumped up and so charged up with booze, he looked like he was about to go mental. He had a real look of madness in his eyes.
There was a guy in a beige lightweight jacket over a white Villa shirt coming out the Holte who looked totally out of it. Completely glazed over and you could see he almost had no idea where he was or what he was doing
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One of their unwashed was bragging to his mates outside before the game in all seriousness about how he wanted to stab his Dad because he supports Wolves.
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Meanwhile...away from all the talk about pitch invasions......a great new innovation in the build up to the players coming out of the tunnel - a magnificent picture of a proud lion on the big screens with background music from, unless I'm sadly mistaken, the opening bars of Pink Floyd's 'Dogs of War'. Just ever-so-slightly menacing
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What a great day - loved every minute. One of my best VP days - bring on the semi!!
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Meanwhile...away from all the talk about pitch invasions......a great new innovation in the build up to the players coming out of the tunnel - a magnificent picture of a proud lion on the big screens with background music from, unless I'm sadly mistaken, the opening bars of Pink Floyd's 'Dogs of War'. Just ever-so-slightly menacing
I liked that too. And although I didn't hear it over the crowd noise at the time I'm sure I heard the return of the old entrance music, Escape, on one of the videos that have been posted. That would be a welcome return.
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It is a shame there was no police dogs presence there last night,if there had of been,i am sure the idiots who came onto the pitch,would have soon got off
Like the Police Horses WMP have made most of them redundant.
There were certainly some police dogs outside the ground before the match. Not sure how many.
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Brilliant day, fantastic result. There were a hell of a lot of pissed up people, more than I've seen at a game in a long time. We won't be playing the Albion again at 5.30 I don't think.
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Regarding drinking I agree that there are unscrupulous and greedy people who will sell alcohol regardless of the time of day but that only draws into the equation the reality that Britain is awash with cheap alcohol and stuffed with those who want to make money out of selling it. Go down to any town centre or any A and E on a Saturday night and see the price society is paying for the deregulation of the alcohol industry. Like the deregulation of gambling it began with Blair and has become a massive problem in the contemporary have/have not society we live in today. That is several other topics.
As for the righteous indignation and centre stage "look at me I am outraged" posture of the media and its commentators, we football fans must take the same sort of stand that gay, muslim, disabled, black, old, fat, catholic minorities have done to protect themselves against stereotypical prejudice. An event like yesterday declares open season for the Lawrensons and Linekers of the world to build their careers to even greater undeserved heights by implying that people who go to football matches are somehow inferior and deeply flawed and should be subjected to constraints over and above the law of the land. Every minority has the same problem, gay people are called qu**r, muslims are pa**s, disabled people are cripples and so on. We football fans are portrayed as either active or latent hooligans.
The whole existences of people like Lawrenson revolve around the finding of ways to become "the voice of the people" "Mr Sensible" "someone who tells it how it is". He/they are none of those things, they are careerists seeking to exploit a situation to their personal advantage by peddling prejudice. On 606 last night Fletcher and Savage went into self righteous melt down when the tweet came through that Fabian Delph had been bitten by a fan. When an actual interview with FD went out they were moderately sheepish but desperately wanted the credit for punchy as-it-happens broadcasting. That was not what you did you pricks, you disseminated unconfirmed allegations that were untrue for purely personal attention.
If a fan tears out a seat and throws it down on the head of an old lady below the law of the land is in place to punish the lawbreaker, likewise the alleged danger to Albion players. Apprehend the guilty and punish them. That is the way society is built to work, not through kangaroo courts of Lawrenson, Lineker, Pulis, Savage, Fletcher and Uncle Tom Cobleigh.
When the crowd at Silverstone surged onto the track at the end of the British Grand Prix won by Nigel Mansell, a fan was actually run over by him. The fan stated "I consider it a great honour to be run over by Nigel" and the whole thing passed off amicably. Some of that sense of proportion has to be brought back into football.
This. Every word of this.
And as to the match... for the second time in a week, a local derby was won by the better side over the 90 minutes. Well played Villa, hopefully the confidence gained from winning two keenly-fought matches will spur us on to the wins we need to avoid relegation and hopefully, more than one trip to Wembley!
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Meanwhile...away from all the talk about pitch invasions......a great new innovation in the build up to the players coming out of the tunnel - a magnificent picture of a proud lion on the big screens with background music from, unless I'm sadly mistaken, the opening bars of Pink Floyd's 'Dogs of War'. Just ever-so-slightly menacing
Yes I noticed that and think it's very good, fits in nicely with the new #fightlikelions branding.
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The first one was stupid as the game hadn't finished. What if more had come on and the red had abandoned the match, for example?
The one at the end was totally understandable. To talk about it being a throwback to the bad old days like Pulis did is just laughable
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Brian's post is excellent and I agree with every word.
The worse is yet to come for most of us, when we return to work tomorrow and face the moral indignation of people who have never stepped foot inside a football ground and know nothing about football, but will will be telling us how outraged they were/are.
Yet, they won't really know if the mean the first invasion or the one after the final whistle.
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The first one was stupid as the game hadn't finished. What if more had come on and the red had abandoned the match, for example?
The one at the end was totally understandable. To talk about it being a throwback to the bad old days like Pulis did is just laughable
It's quite ironic when Pullis is a throw back to 80's football management himself.
I'm so glad we never went for him as a panic option on managers.
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Brian's post is excellent and I agree with every word.
The worse is yet to come for most of us, when we return to work tomorrow and face the moral indignation of people who have never stepped foot inside a football ground and know nothing about football, but will will be telling us how outraged they were/are.
Yet, they won't really know if the mean the first invasion or the one after the final whistle.
My advice would simply to tell them bollocks. It usually works for me.
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Or show them the picture of the little lad aged about 8 on the pitch with his hat scarf & gloves loving getting to Wembley. Lawrensons idea of a village idiot but chose to ignore middle aged men throwing broken seats at Villa fans.
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The first one was stupid as the game hadn't finished. What if more had come on and the red had abandoned the match, for example?
The one at the end was totally understandable. To talk about it being a throwback to the bad old days like Pulis did is just laughable
It's quite ironic when Pullis is a throw back to 80's football management himself.
I'm so glad we never went for him as a panic option on managers.
He's a hypocritical ****** as well.
Google "Stoke fans pitch invasion" and you'll find loads of when they got promoted in 2008. Guess who the manager was?
In fact, if you need a reminder, here's the Youtube video:
The chap you're looking for is wearing a baseball cap. Twat.
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My reflections on yesterday's game.
Firstly as a season ticket holder in the Holte, due to the fact we were late, getting tickets we sat in the upper Trinity. I was expecting a more subdued atmosphere but what I got was loud, vociferous and passionate support in the stand.
It was a great sight (and sound) to see the Holte to the right, the Witton opposite and The lower North all going at it full tilt.
When I look back over the years, there are a few games which stick in the memory.
Spurs at home in the league cup, Bradford at home the same season.
Everton away for Graham Taylor's last game, Sheffield Wed away under Big Ron, Tranmere, Inter, Athletico Madrid, Blackburn semi final etc..
Unfortunately, the recent ones all relate to victories over local rivals or fellow relegation candidates rather than anything actually positive.
I think last night was an out spilling of emotion on the basis we have had a good few years of very little positive to cheer.
As to whether it looks small time to our neighbours or others, quite frankly, I don't give a damn. We didn't do it for them.
There are a couple of things I would change, the 5.30 kick off was always going to cause problems and the pitch invasion before the end (I was more concerned about the match being abandoned ad the result not standing.
Other than that it was a brilliant night and will go down with the ones listed above that I will remember for years.
Que sera sera......
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Bloody hell, Lawrenson's a joyless old sod isn't he. Talking about the dark days the 80s, I don't think you can compare a pitch invasion after all the shit we've been served up for the last four years can be compared to Heysel, etc. He should know about that better than anyone, he was there after all.
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Picking through the bones of yesterday, and not having read back through the thread, I'd like to spare a thought for our very own Supertom. Unlucky, son. Inspired effort, and I bet it would've been interesting/confusing sitting next to you for the final five minutes!
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Got back late last night/early this morning to Peacehaven (a few miles outside of Brighton in case you are wondering? ;)). Had a really great time at the game. It was emotional and quite nervy in places, but the atmosphere would be one of the best I have experienced at a Villa game. It was a very impressive result and well deserved at least on the second half performance. First half we were terrible I think we the nerves got to us and we just tried to over the play the ball or at times were rushing. We never got to grips with them in midfield and could have been a couple of goals down at the break if not for Given and a lack of cutting edge on their part. Second half we were really at it. The passion was there, we were far more positive, we worked hard as a team, and scored two very good goals. The day was only partly spoiled by the ref and some idoits trying to claim their 15 Minutes of fame ::)
Given 7
Bacuna 6
Okore 6
Clark 7
Lowton 5
Cleverley 4
Westwood 4
Delph 7
N'Zogbia 7
Sinclair 7
Gabby 7
Subs: Grealish 6, Sanchez 6, Gil 5
A. Taylor -0 :-[
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Jonas Olsson was on our train back to Euston last night. Top marks to Kingthing for drunkenly trying to sell him a ticket for the West London Lions coach trip to the Swansea game.
And Staunton was drinking in the Sacred Heart before the game.
What a day. It's been many a year since I've enjoyed a home game so much
That Kigthing gets about doesn't he!
Did he tell you about being in with the Albion at the Witton Arms?
Texted me to meet there followed 20 seconds late with a "don't!"
He sat by my mate who he got the ticket for and sounded as if he nearly made it from the Upper to the Lower Holte due to "loss of balance"
Top day
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Brian's post is excellent and I agree with every word.
The worse is yet to come for most of us, when we return to work tomorrow and face the moral indignation of people who have never stepped foot inside a football ground and know nothing about football, but will will be telling us how outraged they were/are.
Yet, they won't really know if the mean the first invasion or the one after the final whistle.
My advice would simply to tell them bollocks. It usually works for me.
Just start singing "We're your famous football hooligans!" at the top of your lungs
Confirms what they think but they will leave you alone
Winky thang ;-)
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Regarding drinking I agree that there are unscrupulous and greedy people who will sell alcohol regardless of the time of day but that only draws into the equation the reality that Britain is awash with cheap alcohol and stuffed with those who want to make money out of selling it. Go down to any town centre or any A and E on a Saturday night and see the price society is paying for the deregulation of the alcohol industry. Like the deregulation of gambling it began with Blair and has become a massive problem in the contemporary have/have not society we live in today. That is several other topics.
As for the righteous indignation and centre stage "look at me I am outraged" posture of the media and its commentators, we football fans must take the same sort of stand that gay, muslim, disabled, black, old, fat, catholic minorities have done to protect themselves against stereotypical prejudice. An event like yesterday declares open season for the Lawrensons and Linekers of the world to build their careers to even greater undeserved heights by implying that people who go to football matches are somehow inferior and deeply flawed and should be subjected to constraints over and above the law of the land. Every minority has the same problem, gay people are called qu**r, muslims are pa**s, disabled people are cripples and so on. We football fans are portrayed as either active or latent hooligans.
The whole existences of people like Lawrenson revolve around the finding of ways to become "the voice of the people" "Mr Sensible" "someone who tells it how it is". He/they are none of those things, they are careerists seeking to exploit a situation to their personal advantage by peddling prejudice. On 606 last night Fletcher and Savage went into self righteous melt down when the tweet came through that Fabian Delph had been bitten by a fan. When an actual interview with FD went out they were moderately sheepish but desperately wanted the credit for punchy as-it-happens broadcasting. That was not what you did you pricks, you disseminated unconfirmed allegations that were untrue for purely personal attention.
If a fan tears out a seat and throws it down on the head of an old lady below the law of the land is in place to punish the lawbreaker, likewise the alleged danger to Albion players. Apprehend the guilty and punish them. That is the way society is built to work, not through kangaroo courts of Lawrenson, Lineker, Pulis, Savage, Fletcher and Uncle Tom Cobleigh.
When the crowd at Silverstone surged onto the track at the end of the British Grand Prix won by Nigel Mansell, a fan was actually run over by him. The fan stated "I consider it a great honour to be run over by Nigel" and the whole thing passed off amicably. Some of that sense of proportion has to be brought back into football.
We live in a 24 hour news culture. This means that in order to fill time, uncorroborated nonsense such as that spouted by the likes of Savage and Lawrenson is put on air. Thirty years ago, it is likely the pitch invasion would have made the news, but well after the match.
The eejits who ran onto the pitch prior to the final whistle, together with the thugs (not fans) who were throwing seats should be identified, arrested, prosecuted and punished (including lenghty banning orders). But the invasion after the final whistle? If it was a non-league or lower division club, the likes of Lawrenson would have hailed it as the "magic of the cup". Because it's Villa its seen as a "national scandal taking football back to the 80's". No Lawro. The real scandal of the 80's is how fans were caged in, treated like animals and endured poor policing, which a Government tried to spin away when the inevitable happened on a sunny April day in 1989 and which is only now being exposed.
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My nose mate texted to say our fans were just as bad as Blues so I put him straight about a few things - the seat chucking is the worst thing that happened yesterday and a lot of Albion fans are disgusted with their own fans if you read their forums
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The first one was stupid as the game hadn't finished. What if more had come on and the red had abandoned the match, for example?
The one at the end was totally understandable. To talk about it being a throwback to the bad old days like Pulis did is just laughable
It's quite ironic when Pullis is a throw back to 80's football management himself.
I'm so glad we never went for him as a panic option on managers.
He's a hypocritical c*** as well.
Google "Stoke fans pitch invasion" and you'll find loads of when they got promoted in 2008. Guess who the manager was?
In fact, if you need a reminder, here's the Youtube video:
The chap you're looking for is wearing a baseball cap. Twat.
Can we stop all this Pulis bashing. Fact is if we had replaced Lambert for him in Dec/Jan then chances are we would already be safe by now or at least well on our way to it. Despite the good week we have had Sherwood is still very much an experiment. Lets not get too carried away now.
As for Pulis' post match remarks it does sound like he let his disserpointment get the better of him. It happens to every manager though.
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I never intend to stop Pulis bashing. Pulis is there to be bashed.
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Regarding drinking I agree that there are unscrupulous and greedy people who will sell alcohol regardless of the time of day but that only draws into the equation the reality that Britain is awash with cheap alcohol and stuffed with those who want to make money out of selling it. Go down to any town centre or any A and E on a Saturday night and see the price society is paying for the deregulation of the alcohol industry. Like the deregulation of gambling it began with Blair and has become a massive problem in the contemporary have/have not society we live in today. That is several other topics.
As for the righteous indignation and centre stage "look at me I am outraged" posture of the media and its commentators, we football fans must take the same sort of stand that gay, muslim, disabled, black, old, fat, catholic minorities have done to protect themselves against stereotypical prejudice. An event like yesterday declares open season for the Lawrensons and Linekers of the world to build their careers to even greater undeserved heights by implying that people who go to football matches are somehow inferior and deeply flawed and should be subjected to constraints over and above the law of the land. Every minority has the same problem, gay people are called qu**r, muslims are pa**s, disabled people are cripples and so on. We football fans are portrayed as either active or latent hooligans.
The whole existences of people like Lawrenson revolve around the finding of ways to become "the voice of the people" "Mr Sensible" "someone who tells it how it is". He/they are none of those things, they are careerists seeking to exploit a situation to their personal advantage by peddling prejudice. On 606 last night Fletcher and Savage went into self righteous melt down when the tweet came through that Fabian Delph had been bitten by a fan. When an actual interview with FD went out they were moderately sheepish but desperately wanted the credit for punchy as-it-happens broadcasting. That was not what you did you pricks, you disseminated unconfirmed allegations that were untrue for purely personal attention.
If a fan tears out a seat and throws it down on the head of an old lady below the law of the land is in place to punish the lawbreaker, likewise the alleged danger to Albion players. Apprehend the guilty and punish them. That is the way society is built to work, not through kangaroo courts of Lawrenson, Lineker, Pulis, Savage, Fletcher and Uncle Tom Cobleigh.
When the crowd at Silverstone surged onto the track at the end of the British Grand Prix won by Nigel Mansell, a fan was actually run over by him. The fan stated "I consider it a great honour to be run over by Nigel" and the whole thing passed off amicably. Some of that sense of proportion has to be brought back into football.
We live in a 24 hour news culture. This means that in order to fill time, uncorroborated nonsense such as that spouted by the likes of Savage and Lawrenson is put on air. Thirty years ago, it is likely the pitch invasion would have made the news, but well after the match.
The eejits who ran onto the pitch prior to the final whistle, together with the thugs (not fans) who were throwing seats should be identified, arrested, prosecuted and punished (including lenghty banning orders). But the invasion after the final whistle? If it was a non-league or lower division club, the likes of Lawrenson would have hailed it as the "magic of the cup". Because it's Villa its seen as a "national scandal taking football back to the 80's". No Lawro. The real scandal of the 80's is how fans were caged in, treated like animals and endured poor policing, which a Government tried to spin away when the inevitable happened on a sunny April day in 1989 and which is only now being exposed.
That is a very good point not thought of it from that angle. I guess part of it maybe just that since we have only made the semis and not the final yet than maybe they thought we were getting a bit carried away from that point of view. Also if we had beaten say Reading instead of our local rivals yesterday then I doubt the celebrations would have been as intense.
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What an improvement in the second half.
As for those utter fucking idiots legging it on the pitch before full time, I hope they all get banned. Two nil up and cruising into the semi final, a minute to go and you're running on the fucking pitch?
Small time twats.
They belong at the Sty - where their IQ would be more at home.
I Concur.
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I never intend to stop Pulis bashing. Pulis is there to be bashed.
Even if he was our manager? I like the guy myself. I think we should start Sherwood bashing now that would be far more radical!
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The first one was stupid as the game hadn't finished. What if more had come on and the red had abandoned the match, for example?
The one at the end was totally understandable. To talk about it being a throwback to the bad old days like Pulis did is just laughable
It's quite ironic when Pullis is a throw back to 80's football management himself.
I'm so glad we never went for him as a panic option on managers.
He's a hypocritical c*** as well.
Google "Stoke fans pitch invasion" and you'll find loads of when they got promoted in 2008. Guess who the manager was?
In fact, if you need a reminder, here's the Youtube video:
The chap you're looking for is wearing a baseball cap. Twat.
Can we stop all this Pulis bashing. Fact is if we had replaced Lambert for him in Dec/Jan then chances are we would already be safe by now or at least well on our way to it. Despite the good week we have had Sherwood is still very much an experiment. Lets not get too carried away now.
As for Pulis' post match remarks it does sound like he let his disserpointment get the better of him. It happens to every manager though.
If rather go down than have Pulis manage the Villa
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The first one was stupid as the game hadn't finished. What if more had come on and the red had abandoned the match, for example?
The one at the end was totally understandable. To talk about it being a throwback to the bad old days like Pulis did is just laughable
It's quite ironic when Pullis is a throw back to 80's football management himself.
I'm so glad we never went for him as a panic option on managers.
Pulls brings you exactly what you want from him and what you don't. It is who and what he is. He will bring quick stability, good utilization of current resources to keep the club in the league all with the understanding that there is very defined ceiling and in the knowledge of the type of football that will evolve. Yes, I am sure if we had fired Lambert before Christmas, January would have seen us stabilize. We'd be sitting in 14th right now, a few taller players purchased in the window. Bigger, stronger, and resolute. All combined with a boring, aggressive, thuggish, time wasting, game cheating behaviour.
Albion fans who were so smug a couple of games ago will be pining for the days of Mowbray in a couple of months, as Pulis turns West Barcelona Albion into West Bavaria Athletic. It will be a pleasure to watch them complain about the injustice of it all.
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Pulis bashing is going to happen so long as there are fans who think we've made a massive mistake missing out on him. When we beat him rtwice in a week and he makes himself look a bit of a tit in the post match interview it's bound to be at its worst.
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I never intend to stop Pulis bashing. Pulis is there to be bashed.
Even if he was our manager? I like the guy myself. I think we should start Sherwood bashing now that would be far more radical!
What are you on about? People will gladly bash Pulis because he is a dinosaur. 180 minutes of football just confirmed that. He is also the Albion manager and a twat. Why stick up for him?
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I don't get at all how the pundits in all their wisdom, and that moaning cock Pulis, cannot see that Yacob has left one on Bacuna and got that decision spot on.
I certainly thought it was much more of a possible red card than everyone else who appeared to dismiss it out of hand. He was two-footed, both feet off the ground
For me it wasn't even a yellow. A block tackle, perfectly well executed. I said that immediately to Chico and having seen it on the box I stick by that.
Then again, I used to play full back and that was part of my armoury.....
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The first one as everyone has said was pathetic but the stewarding and policing concentrated at the other end was asking for trouble.
Even after the first invasion there were only a handful of stewards at the Holte End and by the corner of the Witton Lane stand, whereas, as you say, there was a solid line of them in front of the away fans. Villa got the stewarding badly wrong. The cost of providing a few dozen more stewards is minmal compared with a likely fine of £100,000. I haven't seen any footage of the North Upper, only the seats landing in the Lower, but the stewarding up there must have been inadequate as well.
I'm not, of course, condoning stupid or thuggish behaviour in any way, but I do think Villa could have done more to prevent it.
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Just calming down with my second pint
What a great day of fun and frolics - it was like 30,000 Villa at an away match
Singing under the Holte before going up and singing for another 90 minutes and watching us turn over the bitter bastards from down the road again. Now we can forget them for another 9 months while they seethe in their pit of jealousy.
Got to meet Kingthing from the forum and marvel at his dedication to drinking after learning he was in the Albion side of the Witton Arms as the Villa side was full - then WW3 broke out - nothing to do with him obviously.
Call that a pitch invasion - pah!
Good to meet you Ade, apologise to your mate, think I kissed him so many times he was about to get a restraining order out on me.
Being in the away section at the Witton arms was hilarious but we found a hole in the fence to get in the other side.
A nice end to the day was while travelling back to London, guess who should be on the train? Jonas Olson, he started by wearing a hat but it was no use, we went over to introduce ourselves and I sat on his injured leg by mistake, after chatting for a while we noticed we'd been held at a station for some time, a lad looked out the window and said "oh look, it's Wembley"......and it was.
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I never intend to stop Pulis bashing. Pulis is there to be bashed.
Even if he was our manager? I like the guy myself. I think we should start Sherwood bashing now that would be far more radical!
What are you on about? People will gladly bash Pulis because he is a dinosaur. 180 minutes of football just confirmed that. He is also the Albion manager and a twat. Why stick up for him?
Prospective my friend prospective! And I did say his post-match remarks were born out of bitteness. Doesn't suddenly make him a bad manager. I think they will bource back.
The first one was stupid as the game hadn't finished. What if more had come on and the red had abandoned the match, for example?
The one at the end was totally understandable. To talk about it being a throwback to the bad old days like Pulis did is just laughable
It's quite ironic when Pullis is a throw back to 80's football management himself.
I'm so glad we never went for him as a panic option on managers.
Pulls brings you exactly what you want from him and what you don't. It is who and what he is. He will bring quick stability, good utilization of current resources to keep the club in the league all with the understanding that there is very defined ceiling and in the knowledge of the type of football that will evolve. Yes, I am sure if we had fired Lambert before Christmas, January would have seen us stabilize. We'd be sitting in 14th right now, a few taller players purchased in the window. Bigger, stronger, and resolute. All combined with a boring, aggressive, thuggish, time wasting, game cheating behaviour.
Albion fans who were so smug a couple of games ago will be pining for the days of Mowbray in a couple of months, as Pulis turns West Barcelona Albion into West Bavaria Athletic. It will be a pleasure to watch them complain about the injustice of it all.
You are being so naive my friend. Football is a results driven business as we all know. Its even more results driven when your top flight future is at stake. Now if this was post-MON era Villa who still rightly had hopes of competing in the top six etc, then Pulis would have been a gamble, but when you are as low as we have been then he would have been the ideal man to fix it. And to be fair he did a very good job at Stoke it was a little more than him just getting them up and stablizing them. Don't forget he didn't have that much money to spend either. I doubt West Brom fans are regretting his appointment on the back of one bad week.
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Have just been to bookies to pick up my acca win from yesterday (it really was a great day) and told the bloke behind the counter I was a Villa fan and was at the match. He expressed disgust then said a sentence later that he was a Tranmere fan and they always used to invade the pitch and wasn't it great! It seems some folk don't know what to think.
To be fair to him I did bring up '94 and he took it well.
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I never intend to stop Pulis bashing. Pulis is there to be bashed.
Even if he was our manager? I like the guy myself. I think we should start Sherwood bashing now that would be far more radical!
What are you on about? People will gladly bash Pulis because he is a dinosaur. 180 minutes of football just confirmed that. He is also the Albion manager and a twat. Why stick up for him?
Must admit there were a few minutes during the latter part of Lambert's reign when I did wonder if we should have gone for Pulis. However the league match on Tuesday made me very glad we didn't.
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Have just been to bookies to pick up my acca win from yesterday (it really was a great day) and told the bloke behind the counter I was a Villa fan and was at the match. He expressed disgust then said a sentence later that he was a Tranmere fan and they always used to invade the pitch and wasn't it great! It seems some folk don't know what to think.
To be fair to him I did bring up '94 and he took it well.
That sounds great. Are you putting any money on us winning the cup? What are the odds on that BTW? Am guessing we are 4th favourites at the moment?
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Have just been to bookies to pick up my acca win from yesterday (it really was a great day) and told the bloke behind the counter I was a Villa fan and was at the match. He expressed disgust then said a sentence later that he was a Tranmere fan and they always used to invade the pitch and wasn't it great! It seems some folk don't know what to think.
To be fair to him I did bring up '94 and he took it well.
We spent the entire away leg at Tranmere being pelted with coins so they can't exactly claim the moral high ground.
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Agree, the whole episode could have been prevented by having extra stewards at the Holte End. At a cost of a few grand. A £100k fine will be about right which should be recoverable easily with the £1000 fines for entering onto the pitch. They club should be able to identify a 100 or so of the idiots.
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I never intend to stop Pulis bashing. Pulis is there to be bashed.
Even if he was our manager? I like the guy myself. I think we should start Sherwood bashing now that would be far more radical!
What are you on about? People will gladly bash Pulis because he is a dinosaur. 180 minutes of football just confirmed that. He is also the Albion manager and a twat. Why stick up for him?
Must admit there were a few minutes during the latter part of Lambert's reign when I did wonder if we should have gone for Pulis. However the league match on Tuesday made me very glad we didn't.
Bet if Sherwood takes us down you won't be saying that...
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But it would be the courts handing out those fines not Villa.
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I never intend to stop Pulis bashing. Pulis is there to be bashed.
Even if he was our manager? I like the guy myself. I think we should start Sherwood bashing now that would be far more radical!
What are you on about? People will gladly bash Pulis because he is a dinosaur. 180 minutes of football just confirmed that. He is also the Albion manager and a twat. Why stick up for him?
Prospective my friend prospective! And I did say his post-match remarks were born out of bitteness. Doesn't suddenly make him a bad manager. I think they will bource back.
The first one was stupid as the game hadn't finished. What if more had come on and the red had abandoned the match, for example?
The one at the end was totally understandable. To talk about it being a throwback to the bad old days like Pulis did is just laughable
It's quite ironic when Pullis is a throw back to 80's football management himself.
I'm so glad we never went for him as a panic option on managers.
Pulls brings you exactly what you want from him and what you don't. It is who and what he is. He will bring quick stability, good utilization of current resources to keep the club in the league all with the understanding that there is very defined ceiling and in the knowledge of the type of football that will evolve. Yes, I am sure if we had fired Lambert before Christmas, January would have seen us stabilize. We'd be sitting in 14th right now, a few taller players purchased in the window. Bigger, stronger, and resolute. All combined with a boring, aggressive, thuggish, time wasting, game cheating behaviour.
Albion fans who were so smug a couple of games ago will be pining for the days of Mowbray in a couple of months, as Pulis turns West Barcelona Albion into West Bavaria Athletic. It will be a pleasure to watch them complain about the injustice of it all.
You are being so naive my friend. Football is a results driven business as we all know. Its even more results driven when your top flight future is at stake. Now if this was post-MON era Villa who still rightly had hopes of competing in the top six etc, then Pulis would have been a gamble, but when you are as low as we have been then he would have been the ideal man to fix it. And to be fair he did a very good job at Stoke it was a little more than him just getting them up and stablizing them. Don't forget he didn't have that much money to spend either. I doubt West Brom fans are regretting his appointment on the back of one bad week.
It would have been a short term solution that would have guaranteed our PL survival and sacrificed any values we have as a football team over the next 2 years. If that's fine by you so be it. But the thought of Pulis football as a staple diet week after week isn't something I would ever want at the club. Like I said he does well with what he has until he has a chance to bring in his type of "footballer". That's when reality sets in as to what you have and what the future will look like. Not for me, ta all the same.
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If you're gonna run onto the pitch at least do it with style! The amount of people on there who looked like village idiots was frightening, and some of you need to get on a diet! Get some shame!
Anyway conspiracy theory number one coming up. What's to bet that Villa wont get another FA Cup home draw for a good few seasons?
Great atmosphere in the ground yesterday though. There's no place like Villa Park when it's rocking!
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would have died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
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I never intend to stop Pulis bashing. Pulis is there to be bashed.
Quite right. The man who dashes from his mothers death bed to milk applaus and then condone Pennant diving to win the match is a dick. His comments yesterday were to take the attention from losing 4 1 at Villa park this week, despite Vlaar missing both and Benteke not there yesterday.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Yes the "I'd take (insert living, dead or inanimate object here) over Lambert" is a no contest argument. The thought after the dust had cleared that it is Pulis wearing a baseball cap in the dugout for the next 2-3 years is quite miserable.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
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The amount of people posting pics of themselves on the pitch last night on social media...incredible.
If you are going to break the law, don't be fucking stupid enough to advertise the evidence.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
If that is the limit of your expectations for the club, and you are happy with survival combined with an eye bleeding style of football then Pulis is your man.
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I never intend to stop Pulis bashing. Pulis is there to be bashed.
Even if he was our manager? I like the guy myself. I think we should start Sherwood bashing now that would be far more radical!
Even the bitters don't, my mates girl is a season ticket holder she said against Southampton they scored after 2 minutes they were time wasting after 4 minutes she said, dour dour football
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Like most have said it is pretty small time running on the pitch before the end of the match, but then the self proclaimed biggest club in the world did it here back 2002.
No surprise that the media are blowing things out proportion. It's their job to lie.
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I never intend to stop Pulis bashing. Pulis is there to be bashed.
Even if he was our manager? I like the guy myself. I think we should start Sherwood bashing now that would be far more radical!
What are you on about? People will gladly bash Pulis because he is a dinosaur. 180 minutes of football just confirmed that. He is also the Albion manager and a twat. Why stick up for him?
Indeed. I'd hate to see someone like him get our job. Take a look at westbrom.com and see what Albion fans think of him, too.
Horrible football, gamesmanship, time wasting. No ta.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
If that is the limit of your expectations for the club, and you are happy with survival combined with an eye bleeding style of football then Pulis is your man.
So? We have taken a gamble on Sherwood! Theres a chance he might not even get us that. I am almost certain that about 95% on here would not being knocking Pulis if he was our manager now and we were safe in mid-table. In fact back in November/Dec most people on here seemed to be happy with the idea of getting him as a manager.
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Read westbrom.com with the Simon Bates 'Our Tune' music in the background. I have amused myself doing this this morning.
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WBA forum on style of play (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=c1e606d6ec043694033e4c3485eef177&topic=15941.0)
WBA Pulis (http://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=c1e606d6ec043694033e4c3485eef177&topic=15324.0)
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Brian's post is excellent and I agree with every word.
The worse is yet to come for most of us, when we return to work tomorrow and face the moral indignation of people who have never stepped foot inside a football ground and know nothing about football, but will will be telling us how outraged they were/are.
Yet, they won't really know if the mean the first invasion or the one after the final whistle.
I'd just ham it up a little. Say you witnessed rabid football fans eating a baby, or summat like that.
The Brains Trust of Pearce and Lawro had gone so OTT with their condemnation of the twats who got onto the pitch prior to the final whistle that they couldn't then be seen to do a volte face with the invasion at the end. Had this game not been on the Beeb we really wouldn't be hearing so much nonsense. Pearce wants to do some research. It was news to me that Olsson has been a Villa player for eight years. And that Villa and Olbiyun are both London clubs. As for Lawro, I can only assume he has compromising pictures of the director general of the Beeb. How else is he stealing a living on national TV. Still, at least we didn't need to see him sprawled out on the couch yesterday. Like a cake that has been left out in the rain. Or a sex tourist.
Throw the book at the bellends who could have ruined it for us whilst the game was still in progress, but my concern is the club will take a heavy handed approach with those who made it on to the pitch at the end -which, as others have pointed out, is not such a rare occurrence when we make it to Wembley.
Technically, it is an offence for fans to be on the pitch full stop. There isn't a clause that excuses it for moments of high drama or making it to cup semis or finals.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
Smethwick fans might have delusions of grandeur. But they watch their side more than we do, and if they are unhappy with the style of play, there might be something to it.
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I'll carry on with Pulis bashing as often as I like thanks very much.
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I often like to bash my Pulis.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
Of the three things you mentioned there, I only knocked him for his style of football. Even if he looks a complete tool in a cap, or that he manages them is immaterial. My point very simply is he is what it says on the tin. Once you have bought into Pulis, you get survival at a huge cost. It is Stoke City who mug, cheat and claw their way to a safe lower mid table stop year after year. Short term we would have been safe, and once that has sunk in you are left with the future under him.
Like I said, if that is a price you'd have paid for safety, then great. Not for me, and I would much rather take a risk on Sherwood than Pulis. And I even go so far as to argue given how we have played this week, that given an extra couple of months under Sherwood we'd be much safer by now also.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
Smethwick fans might have delusions of grandeur. But they watch their side more than we do, and if they are unhappy with the style of play, there might be something to it.
I am not disputing the style of play being bad, but if it gets the required results then whats the problem?
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Anyone got a link to the video of the linesman hot-footing it? I'm sure it was on here last night but I was rather p*ssed.
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I don't care if Pulis wears a baseball cap or a tutu on the touch line, it is his style of football and horrible gamesmanship that I hate.
I'd hate to see us resort to that nonsense.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
Of the three things you mentioned there, I only knocked him for his style of football. Even if he looks a complete tool in a cap, or that he manages them is immaterial. My point very simply is he is what it says on the tin. Once you have bought into Pulis, you get survival at a huge cost. It is Stoke City who mug, cheat and claw their way to a safe lower mid table stop year after year. Short term we would have been safe, and once that has sunk in you are left with the future under him.
Like I said, if that is a price you'd have paid for safety, then great. Not for me, and I would much rather take a risk on Sherwood than Pulis. And I even go so far as to argue given how we have played this week, that given an extra couple of months under Sherwood we'd be much safer by now also.
Fair enough. I just think you are getting far too carried away because of a couple of good results. Pulis did a far better job than you are giving him credit for at Stoke and did an excellent job in no time at all at Palace last season. Whose to say that if he was Villa manager and had money to spend then he couldn't improve us greatly? He has never really had the chance to do that at a big club as of yet.
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Anyone got a link to the video of the linesman hot-footing it? I'm sure it was on here last night bu I was rather p*ssed.
Scroll down to the Vine clip (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/watch-rapid-linesman-turns-into-usain-bolt-to-avoid-aston-villa-pitch-invasion-10093941.html)
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
Smethwick fans might have delusions of grandeur. But they watch their side more than we do, and if they are unhappy with the style of play, there might be something to it.
I am not disputing the style of play being bad, but if it gets the required results then whats the problem?
Because on some level football should still be entertainment. It's a job for the players, but a passtime for us.
And I say that as someone who wouldn't have been against the appointment of Pulis when we finally made Lambert walk the plank. Although that owed as much to the timing of the departure as anything else.
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Found it! https://vine.co/v/OE5UA5lWDYH
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Anyone got a link to the video of the linesman hot-footing it? I'm sure it was on here last night bu I was rather p*ssed.
Scroll down to the Vine clip (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/watch-rapid-linesman-turns-into-usain-bolt-to-avoid-aston-villa-pitch-invasion-10093941.html)
Thanks anyway.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
Smethwick fans might have delusions of grandeur. But they watch their side more than we do, and if they are unhappy with the style of play, there might be something to it.
I am not disputing the style of play being bad, but if it gets the required results then whats the problem?
It is horrific to watch, for starters. Haven't we had enough of that? I honestly don't know why you seem surprised at people not liking that, it's a pretty fundamental thing isnt it?
And as for it getting results, it didn't get much out of the last two games did it?
Against a team that wins at home about a dozen times per century, and which was missing key players and playing a makeshift defence.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
Smethwick fans might have delusions of grandeur. But they watch their side more than we do, and if they are unhappy with the style of play, there might be something to it.
I am not disputing the style of play being bad, but if it gets the required results then whats the problem?
I struggle to think anyone that would want Pulis as their manager actually is a football fan,
Even the inbreds at Stoke couldn't stand it anymore, and he did really well for them
I'm sorry Gregory's boy, and this is obviously my own personal view but I can't take anyone seriously that actually wants to watch that utter shit and gamesmanship every week in the hope that he 'keeps us up' it's anti football at it's worse, I don't want to know
Il take the risk with Sherwood every day of the week even if it means relegation
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
Of the three things you mentioned there, I only knocked him for his style of football. Even if he looks a complete tool in a cap, or that he manages them is immaterial. My point very simply is he is what it says on the tin. Once you have bought into Pulis, you get survival at a huge cost. It is Stoke City who mug, cheat and claw their way to a safe lower mid table stop year after year. Short term we would have been safe, and once that has sunk in you are left with the future under him.
Like I said, if that is a price you'd have paid for safety, then great. Not for me, and I would much rather take a risk on Sherwood than Pulis. And I even go so far as to argue given how we have played this week, that given an extra couple of months under Sherwood we'd be much safer by now also.
Fair enough. I just think you are getting far too carried away because of a couple of good results. Pulis did a far better job than you are giving him credit for at Stoke and did an excellent job in no time at all at Palace last season. Whose to say that if he was Villa manager and had money to spend then he couldn't improve us greatly? He has never really had the chance to do that at a big club as of yet.
How on earth am I getting carried away over two results? It has nothing to do with this week. It is years of evidence about Pulis as a manager. Pulis had plenty of financial support at Stoke and he created what we all saw. More money at Villa which I doubt he'd even get would get the same "style" of player that serves how he likes to play. Do you honestly think after all these years of playing a certain way, that more money would change him from a style that he is very comfortable with?
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
Smethwick fans might have delusions of grandeur. But they watch their side more than we do, and if they are unhappy with the style of play, there might be something to it.
I am not disputing the style of play being bad, but if it gets the required results then whats the problem?
Because on some level football should still be entertainment. It's a job for the players, but a passtime for us.
And I say that as someone who wouldn't have been against the appointment of Pulis when we finally made Lambert walk the plank. Although that owed as much to the timing of the departure as anything else.
I get that and the ideal would be that we play decent football while winning matches, but first to achieve that we need to do the ugly bit first which is scrap for our lives. Its impossible to say whether over time we would play a better style under Pulis or not. Also I don't want us to turn into fans like some of Newcastle and West Ham fans who care about nothing but style of play no matter how many matches we lose as a result.
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I get that and the ideal would be that we play decent football while winning matches, but first to achieve that we need to do the ugly bit first which is scrap for our lives. Its impossible to say whether over time we would play a better style under Pulis or not. Also I don't want us to turn into fans like some of Newcastle and West Ham fans who care about nothing but style of play no matter how many matches we lose as a result.
You could always look at his past. Or his present, for that matter. Albion were negative for 180 minutes against us. They are starting to look like a Pulis side now.
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Pulis bashing is going to happen so long as there are fans who think we've made a massive mistake missing out on him. When we beat him rtwice in a week and he makes himself look a bit of a tit in the post match interview it's bound to be at its worst.
There was only one team trying to play football yesterday, he has turned them into a niggling, dirty negative outfit who will pick up enough points to do nothing but survive and bore football fans.
Over the last week They/he got just what they deserved, F*** All.
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One of their unwashed was bragging to his mates outside before the game in all seriousness about how he wanted to stab his Dad because he supports Wolves.
Did you give him your business card for future events Richard?
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I get that and the ideal would be that we play decent football while winning matches, but first to achieve that we need to do the ugly bit first which is scrap for our lives. Its impossible to say whether over time we would play a better style under Pulis or not. Also I don't want us to turn into fans like some of Newcastle and West Ham fans who care about nothing but style of play no matter how many matches we lose as a result.
You could always look at his past. Or his present, for that matter. Albion were negative for 180 minutes against us. They are starting to look like a Pulis side now.
Based on the two games this week, if you didn't know Pulis was their manager, you would have guessed.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
Of the three things you mentioned there, I only knocked him for his style of football. Even if he looks a complete tool in a cap, or that he manages them is immaterial. My point very simply is he is what it says on the tin. Once you have bought into Pulis, you get survival at a huge cost. It is Stoke City who mug, cheat and claw their way to a safe lower mid table stop year after year. Short term we would have been safe, and once that has sunk in you are left with the future under him.
Like I said, if that is a price you'd have paid for safety, then great. Not for me, and I would much rather take a risk on Sherwood than Pulis. And I even go so far as to argue given how we have played this week, that given an extra couple of months under Sherwood we'd be much safer by now also.
Fair enough. I just think you are getting far too carried away because of a couple of good results. Pulis did a far better job than you are giving him credit for at Stoke and did an excellent job in no time at all at Palace last season. Whose to say that if he was Villa manager and had money to spend then he couldn't improve us greatly? He has never really had the chance to do that at a big club as of yet.
How on earth am I getting carried away over two results? It has nothing to do with this week. It is years of evidence about Pulis as a manager. Pulis had plenty of financial support at Stoke and he created what we all saw. More money at Villa which I doubt he'd even get would get the same "style" of player that serves how he likes to play. Do you honestly think after all these years of playing a certain way, that more money would change him from a style that he is very comfortable with?
I just meant you seemed to be getting carried away by suggesting that Sherwood is a better appointment than Pulis would have been based on a couple of results. Sometimes it is down to what you have to work with if he had a better standard of players at Villa then its possible he would have us playing better football. Don't forget Big Sam has been labelled a long ball specialist for years, but look at what he has done at West Ham this season.
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One of their unwashed was bragging to his mates outside before the game in all seriousness about how he wanted to stab his Dad because he supports Wolves.
Did you give him your business card for future events Richard?
Darn! Missed a trick there.
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There's a good deal of common sense on this thread and an equal amount of bullshit. If it's not some class war against football fans then it's a media conspiracy to whip up hysteria or it's Olbiyun players taking on the barbarian horde single-handed or it's okay because it happens all the time at rugby and cricket matches. It is fair to say that the kick off time was crazy, because some football fans can't be trusted not to lose all their self-control after they've been on the piss. That goes for the bitter seat-chuckers too; they're equally culpable. It's also fair to say, in hindsight, that there weren't enough stewards but, as the guy on the BBC Sport says, how many is enough to stop a major pitch invasion? I have some sympathy for the OB and stewards who can't win either way: if there are too many it's 'heavy handed'; if there's a pitch invasion it's because there aren't enough. No doubt they were expecting trouble but it seems you can never underestimate the brainlessness of the general public.
I don't think there's faux outrage, there's genuine outrage and that's got nothing to do with whether you're in the ground, on the pitch or anywhere else. It looked terrible, it looked ugly, it looked smalltime and it looked like regression. You can bet your bottom dollar that if these scenes had happened at the Hawthorns and we'd been on the wrong end of it then the condemnation of it on here would have been total. The media aren't focusing on it because they have some agenda but because it is the talking point, whether we like it or not. If there's any bias it comes from Villa fans who want to soft-pedal it or excuse it precisely because it is our fans and our club. It is what it is, i.e. a really idiotic and shameful end to what had been the best day for the club in a long time.
The only positive is that it'll be forgotten next week as the focus will have shifted on to some spitting / biting / drink driving / raping incident. Football: bloody hell.
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In the first half I thought West Brom did try and play football actually and lets now forget created the better chances. Whereas we tried to play football, but over did it.
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Speaking of this week I would say Sherwood has done a far better job with the players he has than Pulis has. And we are missing a number of players that might have helped, including our main forward and captain. I would say Sherwood has squeezed more out of a group of players than Pulis has over a greater length of time. The football is also much better to watch.
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My reflections on yesterday's game.
Firstly as a season ticket holder in the Holte, due to the fact we were late, getting tickets we sat in the upper Trinity. I was expecting a more subdued atmosphere but what I got was loud, vociferous and passionate support in the stand.
It was a great sight (and sound) to see the Holte to the right, the Witton opposite and The lower North all going at it full tilt.
When I look back over the years, there are a few games which stick in the memory.
Spurs at home in the league cup, Bradford at home the same season.
Everton away for Graham Taylor's last game, Sheffield Wed away under Big Ron, Tranmere, Inter, Athletico Madrid, Blackburn semi final etc..
Unfortunately, the recent ones all relate to victories over local rivals or fellow relegation candidates rather than anything actually positive.
I think last night was an out spilling of emotion on the basis we have had a good few years of very little positive to cheer.
As to whether it looks small time to our neighbours or others, quite frankly, I don't give a damn. We didn't do it for them.
There are a couple of things I would change, the 5.30 kick off was always going to cause problems and the pitch invasion before the end (I was more concerned about the match being abandoned ad the result not standing.
Other than that it was a brilliant night and will go down with the ones listed above that I will remember for years.
Que sera sera......
Good first post Hockley Heath Lion and welcome to Heroes and Villains.
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The wiki page for pitch invasions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_invasion has this in the Association Football section:
"Aston Villa v Manchester United (6 January 2002) FA Cup.
Manchester United were 2–0 down with 15 minutes left of play, however Manchester United scored three times in 5 minutes and their third goal caused many Manchester United fans to invade the pitch in celebration."
FF to about 8 mins - no mention in the commentary about the invasion just "...joyous celebration".
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
Of the three things you mentioned there, I only knocked him for his style of football. Even if he looks a complete tool in a cap, or that he manages them is immaterial. My point very simply is he is what it says on the tin. Once you have bought into Pulis, you get survival at a huge cost. It is Stoke City who mug, cheat and claw their way to a safe lower mid table stop year after year. Short term we would have been safe, and once that has sunk in you are left with the future under him.
Like I said, if that is a price you'd have paid for safety, then great. Not for me, and I would much rather take a risk on Sherwood than Pulis. And I even go so far as to argue given how we have played this week, that given an extra couple of months under Sherwood we'd be much safer by now also.
Fair enough. I just think you are getting far too carried away because of a couple of good results. Pulis did a far better job than you are giving him credit for at Stoke and did an excellent job in no time at all at Palace last season. Whose to say that if he was Villa manager and had money to spend then he couldn't improve us greatly? He has never really had the chance to do that at a big club as of yet.
How on earth am I getting carried away over two results? It has nothing to do with this week. It is years of evidence about Pulis as a manager. Pulis had plenty of financial support at Stoke and he created what we all saw. More money at Villa which I doubt he'd even get would get the same "style" of player that serves how he likes to play. Do you honestly think after all these years of playing a certain way, that more money would change him from a style that he is very comfortable with?
I just meant you seemed to be getting carried away by suggesting that Sherwood is a better appointment than Pulis would have been based on a couple of results. Sometimes it is down to what you have to work with if he had a better standard of players at Villa then its possible he would have us playing better football. Don't forget Big Sam has been labelled a long ball specialist for years, but look at what he has done at West Ham this season.
Yeah he's done that well he won't be there next season
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There's a good deal of common sense on this thread and an equal amount of bullshit. If it's not some class war against football fans then it's a media conspiracy to whip up hysteria or it's Olbiyun players taking on the barbarian horde single-handed or it's okay because it happens all the time at rugby and cricket matches. It is fair to say that the kick off time was crazy, because some football fans can't be trusted not to lose all their self-control after they've been on the piss. That goes for the bitter seat-chuckers too; they're equally culpable. It's also fair to say, in hindsight, that there weren't enough stewards but, as the guy on the BBC Sport says, how many is enough to stop a major pitch invasion? I have some sympathy for the OB and stewards who can't win either way: if there are too many it's 'heavy handed'; if there's a pitch invasion it's because there aren't enough. No doubt they were expecting trouble but it seems you can never underestimate the brainlessness of the general public.
I don't think there's faux outrage, there's genuine outrage and that's got nothing to do with whether you're in the ground, on the pitch or anywhere else. It looked terrible, it looked ugly, it looked smalltime and it looked like regression. You can bet your bottom dollar that if these scenes had happened at the Hawthorns and we'd been on the wrong end of it then the condemnation of it on here would have been total. The media aren't focusing on it because they have some agenda but because it is the talking point, whether we like it or not. If there's any bias it comes from Villa fans who want to soft-pedal it or excuse it precisely because it is our fans and our club. It is what it is, i.e. a really idiotic and shameful end to what had been the best day for the club in a long time.
The only positive is that it'll be forgotten next week as the focus will have shifted on to some spitting / biting / drink driving / raping incident. Football: bloody hell.
"shameful", "ugly," "regression," "terrible". Your job on the Daily Mail awaits.
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Every play off semi and final ends with fans on pitch
Its no big deal
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Speaking of this week I would say Sherwood has done a far better job with the players he has than Pulis has. And we are missing a number of players that might have helped, including our main forward and captain. I would say Sherwood has squeezed more out of a group of players than Pulis has over a greater length of time. The football is also much better to watch.
Well besides two moments on Tuesday night Benteke has done nothing for the last couple of months anyway so had a feeling than we could maybe live without him. Brilliant! So you think that over the last week Sherwood has achieved more than Pulis in his whole managerial career? That is the very nature of getting carried away.
Another thing about Sherwood is that I over heard a Villa fan yesterday saying how smug he comes across. And I think there is something to that, it seemed to be the case at Spurs too. It is easy to be that way when you are winning lets see him if things go the other way.
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Pulis played 4 centre halves at the back obviously thinking Benteke was playing. This played into our hands and second half we went for their fullbacks. We also stopped Berahino from causing any damage last night.
So glad we paid the ransom for to IS to get the real CNZ back.....
Also, Ciaran Clark you can be a legend for us and I thought Bacuna was outstanding second half, he cleared everything they threw at him.
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FA are launching an investigation into the crowd issues tomorrow. I think if it was just the post-match pitch invasion we'd get landed with a hefty fine for endangering the safety of the players (as well as the safety of the fastest linesman in the West). I think the invasions before the game ended could have more serious repercussions - we won't be kicked out of the competition or anything but I could see us having to play our next home cup game behind closed doors. As for the Olbiun fans - we should reduce their allocation for any future games and not position them where they can hurl seats down on other supporters.
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Stoke were one of the highest spenders in the league when Pulis was in charge, he wasn't managing them on a shoestring budget. He had the choice and he chose the style of play that we associate him with. It wasn't a case of him having to make do with the players he had, he actively sought those players. We dodged a bullet when Albion signed him. And I'll bet he was secretly glad of yesterday's pitch invasion because it gave him the chance to talk about something other than the fucking awful football he insists on playing.
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I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.
Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that? Why? Is it the style of play? Is it that you think he comes off as smug? I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is. Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.
Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.
Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.
No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact. But then some people are not addressing my points either. As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals. If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.
Of the three things you mentioned there, I only knocked him for his style of football. Even if he looks a complete tool in a cap, or that he manages them is immaterial. My point very simply is he is what it says on the tin. Once you have bought into Pulis, you get survival at a huge cost. It is Stoke City who mug, cheat and claw their way to a safe lower mid table stop year after year. Short term we would have been safe, and once that has sunk in you are left with the future under him.
Like I said, if that is a price you'd have paid for safety, then great. Not for me, and I would much rather take a risk on Sherwood than Pulis. And I even go so far as to argue given how we have played this week, that given an extra couple of months under Sherwood we'd be much safer by now also.
Fair enough. I just think you are getting far too carried away because of a couple of good results. Pulis did a far better job than you are giving him credit for at Stoke and did an excellent job in no time at all at Palace last season. Whose to say that if he was Villa manager and had money to spend then he couldn't improve us greatly? He has never really had the chance to do that at a big club as of yet.
How on earth am I getting carried away over two results? It has nothing to do with this week. It is years of evidence about Pulis as a manager. Pulis had plenty of financial support at Stoke and he created what we all saw. More money at Villa which I doubt he'd even get would get the same "style" of player that serves how he likes to play. Do you honestly think after all these years of playing a certain way, that more money would change him from a style that he is very comfortable with?
I just meant you seemed to be getting carried away by suggesting that Sherwood is a better appointment than Pulis would have been based on a couple of results. Sometimes it is down to what you have to work with if he had a better standard of players at Villa then its possible he would have us playing better football. Don't forget Big Sam has been labelled a long ball specialist for years, but look at what he has done at West Ham this season.
Yeah he's done that well he won't be there next season
Not to turn this into the Big Sam thread, but what is your point? Yeah he may not be there next season, but that is no reflection on the job he has done, more it is down to the owners or the fact that he may want a new a challenge.
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Pulis played 4 centre halves at the back obviously thinking Benteke was playing. This played into our hands and second half we went for their fullbacks. We also stopped Berahino from causing any damage last night.
So glad we paid the ransom for to IS to get the real CNZ back.....
Also, Ciaran Clark you can be a legend for us and I thought Bacuna was outstanding second half, he cleared everything they threw at him.
Yeah Bacuna's work rate was great yesterday. He is good both going forward and working back. Hope he gets more starts before the end of the season. Clark is another one I have always quite liked and he seems to be in pretty strong form at the moment.
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The thing with our local derbies against the baggies and the blues is they are attended by local people I would say 95% from the west midland area, and the national media just don't get this fact
You can't compare that with a 'super Sunday' match between Man Utd v Liverpool where the fans are traveling in from Cheltenham and Guildford, having no real local knowledge only that of supporting their franchise team of choice
I remember the 03-03 game v Blues, it took the media by surprise, they had not seen anything like it, the atmosphere the physical brutality on and of the pitch,
same last night, it's the oldest derby in the world, it's not a convention for shrinking violets, it's all out there, in your face, it's going to be even more edgy when it's a quarter final
There was a lot of regrettable things happened last night, but the bottom line is it's a blood and guts local derby, the likes of the national media and TV people don't understand because it just doesn't take place al that often
If Southampton played Portsmouth or Sheffield Wed v Sheffield Utd in such an important game you would get the same sort of behaviour, your never going to put a lid on it
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Lovely, cuddly Albion in action: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10206021979056905&fref=nf
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Regarding the pitch invasions, I've never been tempted, in 40 years, to go onto the pitch. Over that time there have been many, many more memorable occaisions than last night. Those during the game are inexcusable, those after are understandable, but neither is acceptable.
The problem with going onto the pitch, no matter how friendly or well intentioned it is, is the very real risk that goading the WBA fans leads to a situation where it escalates into a riot. Fortunately, last night it didn't but the risk that it could have is there. Additionally, there's a risk that some idiot, attacks an opposing player.
When our neighbours have behaved in a similar manner everyone has, quite rightly, condemned it.
At the end of the game I would have liked the opportunity to have celebrated the win with the players, we didn't get that opportunity because a few people couldn't restrain themselves.
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Speaking of this week I would say Sherwood has done a far better job with the players he has than Pulis has. And we are missing a number of players that might have helped, including our main forward and captain. I would say Sherwood has squeezed more out of a group of players than Pulis has over a greater length of time. The football is also much better to watch.
Well besides two moments on Tuesday night Benteke has done nothing for the last couple of months anyway so had a feeling than we could maybe live without him. Brilliant! So you think that over the last week Sherwood has achieved more than Pulis in his whole managerial career? That is the very nature of getting carried away.
Another thing about Sherwood is that I over heard a Villa fan yesterday saying how smug he comes across. And I think there is something to that, it seemed to be the case at Spurs too. It is easy to be that way when you are winning lets see him if things go the other way.
again, what on earth are you talking about? Where have I compared Sherwood this week to Pulis over his career? I said he's got more out of his team this week than Pulis, who has had a longer time to get used to being the manager of Albion. That's just a fact. Talk about getting carried away.
And why are you bringing up Sherwood's personality or demeanour? What has that got to do with how well he's done? This isn't about Sherwood. This is all about the merits of Pulis and you are the only person on here, a day after we knock them out of the cup, and in a week we beat them twice shouting as loudly as possible about how ace he'd have been as Villa manager. Frankly I don't get it at all. What a bizarre position to have taken today of all days.
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First half yesterday, I thought was pure Lambert - flat midfield three going nowhere because it's so easy to set up against and contain. Saw Westwood urging Cleverley to get ahead of the ball at one point, presumably because that's what Sherwood had actually asked for.
But second half, when we opened up a bit and pushed men forwards, we looked a real threat and that is very encouraging. I think we have the attacking players to cause teams around us big problems.
As for the pitch invasion, I wasn't there, so couldn't comment with any authority. It looked a bit daft on the TV, but the reaction of the commentary team was over the top. They did tone it down eventually when the pictures showed a lot of young kids taking selfies and enjoying themselves.
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Just to add to this fans/media debate. I can hear my landlord and his daughter right now watching the game and just also overacting to what went on.
At one point my landlord said "They should be kicked out or at least made to replay the game" this is of course complete rubbish as you cannot blame the fans who did behave themselves and the players who had nothing to do with the fans reaction. Their overraction is further proof of how powerful the media can be.
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Got back a few hours ago after staying over in Bristol with my daughter on the way back. What a day. Probably the best game I've been to for passion and atmosphere. As for the pitch invasion I think before the end it was unforgiveable. At the end it was an outpouring of emotion after the dross of the last few years so perhaps it's understandable.
Delph was awesome and Sinclair looks like the Swansea version which is great for us. Thought we adapted really well to being without Benteke. Now lets take this form to the league games.
Watching the half time analysis, Shearer said there was no atmosphere. What a plank. How the fuck could he tell cocooned in his plastic bubble. Get in the Holte Shearer. We'll show you what atmosphere is all about.
My daughter got on 606 as well!
Bring on the semi!
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Personally i'm enjoying the fact i'll be at Wembley next month much more than i'm bothered about a pitch invasion.
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Heard your daughter on 606 ...shame she forgot we got to the semi same year as League Cup Final ...........
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Regarding the pitch invasions, I've never been tempted, in 40 years, to go onto the pitch. Over that time there have been many, many more memorable occaisions than last night. Those during the game are inexcusable, those after are understandable, but neither is acceptable.
The problem with going onto the pitch, no matter how friendly or well intentioned it is, is the very real risk that goading the WBA fans leads to a situation where it escalates into a riot. Fortunately, last night it didn't but the risk that it could have is there. Additionally, there's a risk that some idiot, attacks an opposing player.
When our neighbours have behaved in a similar manner everyone has, quite rightly, condemned it.
At the end of the game I would have liked the opportunity to have celebrated the win with the players, we didn't get that opportunity because a few people couldn't restrain themselves.
I don't remember national outrage when the noses came on the pitch after beating us in the quarter-final of the league and started throwing flares. That game wasn't on the BBC though which might have had something to do with it.
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Speaking of this week I would say Sherwood has done a far better job with the players he has than Pulis has. And we are missing a number of players that might have helped, including our main forward and captain. I would say Sherwood has squeezed more out of a group of players than Pulis has over a greater length of time. The football is also much better to watch.
Well besides two moments on Tuesday night Benteke has done nothing for the last couple of months anyway so had a feeling than we could maybe live without him. Brilliant! So you think that over the last week Sherwood has achieved more than Pulis in his whole managerial career? That is the very nature of getting carried away.
Another thing about Sherwood is that I over heard a Villa fan yesterday saying how smug he comes across. And I think there is something to that, it seemed to be the case at Spurs too. It is easy to be that way when you are winning lets see him if things go the other way.
again, what on earth are you talking about? Where have I compared Sherwood this week to Pulis over his career? I said he's got more out of his team this week than Pulis, who has had a longer time to get used to being the manager of Albion. That's just a fact. Talk about getting carried away.
And why are you bringing up Sherwood's personality or demeanour? What has that got to do with how well he's done? This isn't about Sherwood. This is all about the merits of Pulis and you are the only person on here, a day after we knock them out of the cup, and in a week we beat them twice shouting as loudly as possible about how ace he'd have been as Villa manager. Frankly I don't get it at all. What a bizarre position to have taken today of all days.
Okay I accept at least some of what you are saying. My main point about Sherwood's personality is that it may cause him to get too carried away with himself or the team and believe that the job is done when in reality we still have much work to be done. So if you are comparing him to Pulis in this respect then Pulis because of his experience and cool head would be better in keeping the players feet on the ground.
Really I am just trying to keep a sense of prospective and just point out that we still have a lot to do this season. I still think West Brom will finish above us in the league and that we may still go down or at least leave it close again. I would be very happy for Sherwood to prove me wrong. Lets see what happens.
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Personally i'm enjoying the fact i'll be at Wembley next month much more than i'm bothered about a pitch invasion.
Yep. The bitters, however, will try ad stretch it out for as long as possible.
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There's a photo doing the rounds of a 20 year old Villa fan who seemingly has a very nasty gash to his head caused by a flying seat.
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Heard your daughter on 606 ...shame she forgot we got to the semi same year as League Cup Final ...........
Ha! Yes I know. She was really nervous about it.
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Got back a few hours ago after staying over in Bristol with my daughter on the way back. What a day. Probably the best game I've been to for passion and atmosphere. As for the pitch invasion I think before the end it was unforgiveable. At the end it was an outpouring of emotion after the dross of the last few years so perhaps it's understandable.
Delph was awesome and Sinclair looks like the Swansea version which is great for us. Thought we adapted really well to being without Benteke. Now lets take this form to the league games.
Watching the half time analysis, Shearer said there was no atmosphere. What a plank. How the fuck could he tell cocooned in his plastic bubble. Get in the Holte Shearer. We'll show you what atmosphere is all about.
My daughter got on 606 as well!
Bring on the semi!
To be fair to Shearer (not a sentence I use very often) I did think the atmosphere was a bit dead at least from our point of view in the first half. It was great before kick off and at the start, but after about five minutes it did seem to fade. I put this down to nerves and the fact that we were awful first half. Still overall can't have many complaints.
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There's a good deal of common sense on this thread and an equal amount of bullshit. If it's not some class war against football fans then it's a media conspiracy to whip up hysteria or it's Olbiyun players taking on the barbarian horde single-handed or it's okay because it happens all the time at rugby and cricket matches. It is fair to say that the kick off time was crazy, because some football fans can't be trusted not to lose all their self-control after they've been on the piss. That goes for the bitter seat-chuckers too; they're equally culpable. It's also fair to say, in hindsight, that there weren't enough stewards but, as the guy on the BBC Sport says, how many is enough to stop a major pitch invasion? I have some sympathy for the OB and stewards who can't win either way: if there are too many it's 'heavy handed'; if there's a pitch invasion it's because there aren't enough. No doubt they were expecting trouble but it seems you can never underestimate the brainlessness of the general public.
I don't think there's faux outrage, there's genuine outrage and that's got nothing to do with whether you're in the ground, on the pitch or anywhere else. It looked terrible, it looked ugly, it looked smalltime and it looked like regression. You can bet your bottom dollar that if these scenes had happened at the Hawthorns and we'd been on the wrong end of it then the condemnation of it on here would have been total. The media aren't focusing on it because they have some agenda but because it is the talking point, whether we like it or not. If there's any bias it comes from Villa fans who want to soft-pedal it or excuse it precisely because it is our fans and our club. It is what it is, i.e. a really idiotic and shameful end to what had been the best day for the club in a long time.
The only positive is that it'll be forgotten next week as the focus will have shifted on to some spitting / biting / drink driving / raping incident. Football: bloody hell.
"shameful", "ugly," "regression," "terrible". Your job on the Daily Mail awaits.
Or on the Guardian, the BBC, the Telegraph, the Times, the Independent, the Mirror, the Express, the Sun, the Evening Standard or even the New York Times.
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All credit to Villa and Sherwood yesterday ........ was this not a Villa side missing 5 first choice players against a full strength Baggies team (maybe Foster missing)
Some great performances from certain players yesterday ..... Charles for one and Lowton playing out of position ....maybe he will become first choice at left back?
Don't we think that Clark is fast becoming player of the season ....he surely now is first choice at centre back
Bring on Sunderland ........ some tough selection choices which is good
Who knows two weeks time and we will be looking upwards and to Wembley rather than a panic
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All credit to Villa and Sherwood yesterday ........ was this not a Villa side missing 5 first choice players against a full strength Baggies team (maybe Foster missing)
Some great performances from certain players yesterday ..... Charles for one and Lowton playing out of position ....maybe he will become first choice at left back?
Don't we think that Clark is fast becoming player of the season ....he surely now is first choice at centre back
Bring on Sunderland ........ some tough selection choices which is good
Who knows two weeks time and we will be looking upwards and to Wembley rather than a panic
With Guzan's performances dipping in recent weeks then I think Clark could be a contender for POTS if he keeps his progress up.
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Clark or Hutton for POTS. What odds would you have got on that when in the summer the general consensus was that they were both shit and Championship level at best.
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There's a good deal of common sense on this thread and an equal amount of bullshit. If it's not some class war against football fans then it's a media conspiracy to whip up hysteria or it's Olbiyun players taking on the barbarian horde single-handed or it's okay because it happens all the time at rugby and cricket matches. It is fair to say that the kick off time was crazy, because some football fans can't be trusted not to lose all their self-control after they've been on the piss. That goes for the bitter seat-chuckers too; they're equally culpable. It's also fair to say, in hindsight, that there weren't enough stewards but, as the guy on the BBC Sport says, how many is enough to stop a major pitch invasion? I have some sympathy for the OB and stewards who can't win either way: if there are too many it's 'heavy handed'; if there's a pitch invasion it's because there aren't enough. No doubt they were expecting trouble but it seems you can never underestimate the brainlessness of the general public.
I don't think there's faux outrage, there's genuine outrage and that's got nothing to do with whether you're in the ground, on the pitch or anywhere else. It looked terrible, it looked ugly, it looked smalltime and it looked like regression. You can bet your bottom dollar that if these scenes had happened at the Hawthorns and we'd been on the wrong end of it then the condemnation of it on here would have been total. The media aren't focusing on it because they have some agenda but because it is the talking point, whether we like it or not. If there's any bias it comes from Villa fans who want to soft-pedal it or excuse it precisely because it is our fans and our club. It is what it is, i.e. a really idiotic and shameful end to what had been the best day for the club in a long time.
The only positive is that it'll be forgotten next week as the focus will have shifted on to some spitting / biting / drink driving / raping incident. Football: bloody hell.
"shameful", "ugly," "regression," "terrible". Your job on the Daily Mail awaits.
Or on the Guardian, the BBC, the Telegraph, the Times, the Independent, the Mirror, the Express, the Sun, the Evening Standard or even the New York Times.
I hope you enjoy it.
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Clark or Hutton for POTS. What odds would you have got on that when in the summer the general consensus was that they were both shit and Championship level at best.
No I still think Hutton hasn't been that great. Think his experience helped us in the early months, but don't think he has been that good since November/Dec time.
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One thing with pulis , he knows how to do a corner .
We look hopeless.we need to get Westwood off them and the free kicks.
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I've had an insight into Tims half time talk.
Okay, guys, they've thrown all they have at us and they've all but run out of ideas.
Now go out and win the game.
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Congratulations - no complaints from me. We couldn't live with your pace nor intensity in that second half.
We live to regret the two good chances we missed in the first half.
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For every Pulis touter on here, they were outnumbered by those against going that way.
I, personally, was hoping we'd rip it all up and go 'continental', for want of a better euphemism; long-term plan, solid coaching and scouting setup, with everything geared towards supporting a progressive playing style. Appointing Sherwood seemed a bit like taking the easy option; British, available, been at Spurs, knows his way round the Premier League, all that kinda stuff.
I know it's still very early days, but I'm happily surprised with what he's done. Motivated players, decent football, couple of excellent results on the back of two "honeymoon" losses.
Pulis has come to town twice in a week looking for draws, and left disappointed both times. I watched the game back in full when I got in last night. First half was saved from eternal anonymity by the incessant noise, a distinct rarity in top-flight grounds these days, brilliant from everyone. We just couldn't get going, they competently spent 45 minutes not trying to do anything much. Second half, only one side was gonna win it, and it wasn't the one with so many centre-halves that you'd think Pulis believed we had Johnny X up front! They, like Palace last year, are the new Stoke. The thought that there was a chance he might've got the job at ours makes me shudder.
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All credit to Villa and Sherwood yesterday ........ was this not a Villa side missing 5 first choice players against a full strength Baggies team (maybe Foster missing)
Some great performances from certain players yesterday ..... Charles for one and Lowton playing out of position ....maybe he will become first choice at left back?
Don't we think that Clark is fast becoming player of the season ....he surely now is first choice at centre back
Bring on Sunderland ........ some tough selection choices which is good
Who knows two weeks time and we will be looking upwards and to Wembley rather than a panic
I thought Lowton was poor in the first half and needlessly gave the ball away on a number of occasions. He picked up in the second half, only to then misjudge a ball near the end and let one of their players in behind him. I would personally go with Richardson at LB for the remainder of the season when / if he gets back to fitness.
Totally agree with you about Clark. He was dominant in the air yesterday and has really come on this season.
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Lowton needs to toughen up..if he was stronger he would win more ball and lose less..the rest of his game is good
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Albion release a statement..
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-bromwich-albion-official-statement-aston-villa-2321977.aspx#cTzLp7TykS7CDAtb.99
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Albion release a statement..
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-bromwich-albion-official-statement-aston-villa-2321977.aspx#cTzLp7TykS7CDAtb.99
That photo they use on there makes the main entrance look like Winson Green.
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Albion release a statement..
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-bromwich-albion-official-statement-aston-villa-2321977.aspx#cTzLp7TykS7CDAtb.99
That photo they use on there makes the main entrance look like Winson Green.
Passing through the doors is about as pleasurable in each case.
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Albion release a statement..
http://www.wba.co.uk/news/article/west-bromwich-albion-official-statement-aston-villa-2321977.aspx#cTzLp7TykS7CDAtb.99
Bitter, bitter twats.
http://www.astonvilla.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=7518371
Look at that, a pile of broken seats with sharp edges, one of which appears to have hit somebody and cut his head open. Not big enough or men enough to apologise for their fans I see. I repeat, twats.
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Spot anyone you know? https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f (https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f)
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For every Pulis touter on here, they were outnumbered by those against going that way.
I, personally, was hoping we'd rip it all up and go 'continental', for want of a better euphemism; long-term plan, solid coaching and scouting setup, with everything geared towards supporting a progressive playing style. Appointing Sherwood seemed a bit like taking the easy option; British, available, been at Spurs, knows his way round the Premier League, all that kinda stuff.
I know it's still very early days, but I'm happily surprised with what he's done. Motivated players, decent football, couple of excellent results on the back of two "honeymoon" losses.
Pulis has come to town twice in a week looking for draws, and left disappointed both times. I watched the game back in full when I got in last night. First half was saved from eternal anonymity by the incessant noise, a distinct rarity in top-flight grounds these days, brilliant from everyone. We just couldn't get going, they competently spent 45 minutes not trying to do anything much. Second half, only one side was gonna win it, and it wasn't the one with so many centre-halves that you'd think Pulis believed we had Johnny X up front! They, like Palace last year, are the new Stoke. The thought that there was a chance he might've got the job at ours makes me shudder.
I was OK with Pulis coming in during December on the basis that he would get us out the mess and keep us up until a new owner comes in, then he would go. It would never have worked because the fans were split on the idea of him coming in. We all know what he brings is not attractive football but effective. Seeing the baggies twice this week makes me think I was very wrong, please forgive me, it was the stress of the last few years!
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Fucking peasants.
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No apology from Albion for the vandalism then? Strange.
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Congratulations - no complaints from me. We couldn't live with your pace nor intensity in that second half.
We live to regret the two good chances we missed in the first half.
Cheers Liam,thanks for saying so. Yes could have been a different game had that first one gone in. However we are now able to change style and approach mid game and better weather pressure. It looked like you struggled to do that.
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Spot anyone you know? https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f (https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f)
Wow, what a special collection of people right there.
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Nice people!
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Spot anyone you know? https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f (https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f)
Wow, what a special collection of people right there.
And not a single spongebob squarepants amongst the lot of them
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Craig Gardner's quiet today?
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I'm in the family stand and before the game a couple of them placed a banner, to be unfurled at some point, at the front of the Upper North stand.
I assume it was some insult aim at us or 'We're going to Wembley'
I never did see what it said ;D
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Craig Gardner's quiet today?
His brother won't get him a ticket for the semi :)
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I can't believe they've binned Black Sabbath as the teams come out, Lerner out!!
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I notice Mike Parry at talksport has called for the game to be replayed behind closed doors
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I notice Mike Parry at talksport has called for the game to be replayed behind closed doors
His comments are about as relevant as his career.
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I notice Mike Parry at talksport has called for the game to be replayed behind closed doors
Mike Parry is an uneducated peasant.
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I don't get at all how the pundits in all their wisdom, and that moaning cock Pulis, cannot see that Yacob has left one on Bacuna and got that decision spot on.
*applauds*
I didn't even give him the credit of tryomng to leave a foot in because he tried and barely made contact. for the intent I thought the yellow was correct. in all honesty i don't think either red will be rescinded (well it will be now I've said this) but have more sympathy with grealish (obviously) especially after all and sundry were saying rooney didn't dive at preston but was taking evasive action.
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Spot anyone you know? https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f (https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f)
Wow, what a special collection of people right there.
It takes a certain kind of person to film themselves committing criminal damage and then post it on social media. Window lickers. Also, if another Villa fan sprayed me with a fire extinguisher he find it inserted in his rectum.
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I notice Mike Parry at talksport has called for the game to be replayed behind closed doors
Yes, that would be a great idea. Set the precedent that if your team are losing an important game with a few minutes left you invade the pitch and get it replayed. Evertonian bellend.
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I notice Mike Parry at talksport has called for the game to be replayed behind closed doors
Mike Parry is an uneducated peasant.
Ridiculous. The game was over when the idiots ran on.
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I was allowed to watch the game and film fan reactions in the Holte End for a project I'm working on, making a music video for Aston Villa That's Who. Here is a short clip from when Delph scored the opener:
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Spot anyone you know? https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f (https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f)
Wow, what a special collection of people right there.
It takes a certain kind of person to film themselves committing criminal damage and then post it on social media. Window lickers. Also, if another Villa fan sprayed me with a fire extinguisher he find it inserted in his rectum.
I've never read Successful Criminal Careers for Dummies, but I'm betting one of the first things in it is don't make it easier for the authorities to identify you.
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The thing with our local derbies against the baggies and the blues is they are attended by local people I would say 95% from the west midland area, and the national media just don't get this fact
You can't compare that with a 'super Sunday' match between Man Utd v Liverpool where the fans are traveling in from Cheltenham and Guildford, having no real local knowledge only that of supporting their franchise team of choice
I remember the 03-03 game v Blues, it took the media by surprise, they had not seen anything like it, the atmosphere the physical brutality on and of the pitch,
same last night, it's the oldest derby in the world, it's not a convention for shrinking violets, it's all out there, in your face, it's going to be even more edgy when it's a quarter final
There was a lot of regrettable things happened last night, but the bottom line is it's a blood and guts local derby, the likes of the national media and TV people don't understand because it just doesn't take place al that often
If Southampton played Portsmouth or Sheffield Wed v Sheffield Utd in such an important game you would get the same sort of behaviour, your never going to put a lid on it
Yup, a lot of us have a moan about the how corperate and sanitized the game has become, its a bit rich to then further complain that it was a bit too passionate.
It was a great atmosphere.
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A somewhat lively thread, this one....
The atmosphere was magnificent pre kick off and was the first time I can recall singing well before the game in ages. It petered out after 20 minutes as we produced a turgid first half reminiscent of Lambert, but the second half was like the old days of the ground rocking for big games. Chico and I did observe that the first Wembley related chant was on 55 minutes though.
The first pitch invasion was utterly ridiculous and could have even led to abandonment. The bloke who was baiting their keeper is a twat. From the upper Holte you could see it coming as the stewards and police were basically focused on ring fencing the Albion fans so the Holte / Witton Lane corner was pretty much free. We saw that there was a block of empty seats in the Witton End with. Few minutes to go and I reckon fans left there to sneak round and get into the corner where there was less control.
The post match pitch invasion was completely normal, part of the exuberance of going to Wembley. Not worthy of news at all.
Days like yesterday are the ones you remember until your dying day - the ground was rocking and we beat local rivals to get to Wembley, attacking the Holte in the second half to boot. I haven't enjoyed a home game as much in year.
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Spot anyone you know? https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f (https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f)
Wow, what a special collection of people right there.
It takes a certain kind of person to film themselves committing criminal damage and then post it on social media. Window lickers. Also, if another Villa fan sprayed me with a fire extinguisher he find it inserted in his rectum.
I've never read Successful Criminal Careers for Dummies, but I'm betting one of the first things in it is don't make it easier for the authorities to identify you.
Everyone who borrows it from the library gets arrested.
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Phil McNulty on the BBC website is a massive self righteous bell end as well, throwback to the dark ages? Behave yourself I've seen worse in the NAAFI on a Friday night at closing time.
Nobody died, some Villa fans were hit by seats thrown by Albion fans, some Albion players got the piss taken out of them and probably got shouted at by some bigger boys at the end, but really was anyone fighting? Did anyone even throw a punch or kick anyone, did anyone get knifed? Throwback to the dark ages, do fuck off Phil.
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I'm pretty sure that the dark ages consisted of people regularly taking each other's ends, stabbings, darts being thrown, etc, not a few people running on to the pitch slightly prematurely.
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Id imagine there wouldnt have been a pitch invasion against anyone else, the 'we know what we are' stuff and 'there will be 5k Albion in the Holte' nonsense does tend to be seen as somethng to be challenged.
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Id imagine there wouldnt have been a pitch invasion against anyone else, the 'we know what we are' stuff and 'there will be 5k Albion in the Holte' nonsense does tend to be seen as somethng to be challenged.
You mean the weren't loads of Albion all over the ground? They have been telling porkies again....
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I didn't see anything intimidating and you used to see a lot of that
It all depends on the scale of any intimidation to McManaman or anyone else. That's the red line that would really reflect badly even if it was just one or two bell ends
It was a fucking great atmosphere though and I reckon most neutrals would have loved the second half
We need to keep that atmosphere going in our remaining home games
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All of this week's shenanigans do show how much we care about ( beating) them, and our local pride.
I have been amazed by some comments about Albion being an irrelevance to us during the week. Yesterday reassured me.
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A somewhat lively thread, this one....
The atmosphere was magnificent pre kick off and was the first time I can recall singing well before the game in ages. It petered out after 20 minutes as we produced a turgid first half reminiscent of Lambert, but the second half was like the old days of the ground rocking for big games. Chico and I did observe that the first Wembley related chant was on 55 minutes though.
The first pitch invasion was utterly ridiculous and could have even led to abandonment. The bloke who was baiting their keeper is a twat. From the upper Holte you could see it coming as the stewards and police were basically focused on ring fencing the Albion fans so the Holte / Witton Lane corner was pretty much free. We saw that there was a block of empty seats in the Witton End with. Few minutes to go and I reckon fans left there to sneak round and get into the corner where there was less control.
The post match pitch invasion was completely normal, part of the exuberance of going to Wembley. Not worthy of news at all.
Days like yesterday are the ones you remember until your dying day - the ground was rocking and we beat local rivals to get to Wembley, attacking the Holte in the second half to boot. I haven't enjoyed a home game as much in year.
Wonderful post I agree with every word.
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A quick word of appreciation for Shay Given. A top performance yesterday and throughout his career at Villa he has been a proper professional, never heard to moan about his lot, always reliable when called upon and I would think, a positive influence amongst the players.
For those that my have questioned his contract and the wages contained therein, I think he has served the Villa very well and I hope he keeps his place for the semi-final.
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I don't use Instagram but just seen this - https://instagram.com/p/z-TV6vIVZl/
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I don't use Instagram but just seen this - https://instagram.com/p/z-TV6vIVZl/
Awesome photo!
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I reckon we might make gogglebox this week
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I don't use Instagram but just seen this - https://instagram.com/p/z-TV6vIVZl/
Awesome photo!
Bloody hell Delph, you could have somebody's eye out with that.
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Despite being firmly in the 'against' camp as far as pitch invasions go, I do clearly recall the BBC coverage of the League Cup semi final against Blackburn in 2010, which was also covered by the BBC. The pitch invasion that night was not roundly condemned in any shape or form. In fact, I'm certain that Alan Hansen commented about the "wonderful scenes of celebration" or something like that. The whole hype was started by those total cocks Pearce and Lawrenson. I despise them both.
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I don't think I've ever seen Zog smile before.
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I reckon we might make gogglebox this week
Haha. Brilliant!
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I don't think I've ever seen Zog smile before.
That is *exactly* what I said to myself when I saw it.
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Despite being firmly in the 'against' camp as far as pitch invasions go, I do clearly recall the BBC coverage of the League Cup semi final against Blackburn in 2010, which was also covered by the BBC. The pitch invasion that night was not roundly condemned in any shape or form. In fact, I'm certain that Alan Hansen commented about the "wonderful scenes of celebration" or something like that. The whole hype was started by those total cocks Pearce and Lawrenson. I despise them both.
Pearce commented that Sherwood's day had been completely ruined by the fans. Complete cock.
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I don't use Instagram but just seen this - https://instagram.com/p/z-TV6vIVZl/
Awesome photo!
Bloody hell Delph, you could have somebody's eye out with that.
Now we know where he keeps his socks ;D
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Despite being firmly in the 'against' camp as far as pitch invasions go, I do clearly recall the BBC coverage of the League Cup semi final against Blackburn in 2010, which was also covered by the BBC. The pitch invasion that night was not roundly condemned in any shape or form. In fact, I'm certain that Alan Hansen commented about the "wonderful scenes of celebration" or something like that. The whole hype was started by those total cocks Pearce and Lawrenson. I despise them both.
Pearce is fucking dire. London derby, Baggies change strip, Gardner Villa fan, Olsson 7 years service to villa. Just some of the nonsense he spouted last night. God awful twat of a man.
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Despite being firmly in the 'against' camp as far as pitch invasions go, I do clearly recall the BBC coverage of the League Cup semi final against Blackburn in 2010, which was also covered by the BBC. The pitch invasion that night was not roundly condemned in any shape or form. In fact, I'm certain that Alan Hansen commented about the "wonderful scenes of celebration" or something like that. The whole hype was started by those total cocks Pearce and Lawrenson. I despise them both.
Pearce commented that Sherwood's day had been completely ruined by the fans. Complete cock.
I think they're on about the pre final whistle ones.
In fairness to Lineker he did say that the final whistle one could be understood, but the 'early ones' are unacceptable
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Wish we could play all our home games at night under the floodlights. Villa park seems to come alive at night time.
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Pitch invasions with villa seem to be synonymous with the achievement of reaching Wembley.
Does anyone think the pitch invasion would still have happened had the reward for beating albion been a semi final at say the emerates
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A quick word of appreciation for Shay Given. A top performance yesterday and throughout his career at Villa he has been a proper professional, never heard to moan about his lot, always reliable when called upon and I would think, a positive influence amongst the players.
For those that my have questioned his contract and the wages contained therein, I think he has served the Villa very well and I hope he keeps his place for the semi-final.
Hear hear.
I really like Shay. I think he's still a very good keeper too. We might not have the best squad, but in the goalkeeping department we're pretty well stocked with the Goose and Shay.
Given is indeed a top bloke too.
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Love the new lion video on the big screens and accompanying low-level soundtrack.
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Love the new lion video on the big screens and accompanying low-level soundtrack.
Yes. It's superb
Can anyone vine it ?
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Some of the comments I've heard and read in the media about yesterday can be summed up thus: Losing their grip on reality.
I wish to add my condemnation of all the moronic behaviour which just allows the media to slight our great club without having to try too hard.
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Love the new lion video on the big screens and accompanying low-level soundtrack.
Yes. It's superb
Can anyone vine it ?
I've requested a copy. Fingers crossed.
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Really like the low level lion purring, as if stalking it's prey.
#fightlikelions
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I'd love to see it with the lights dimmed and the eyes glowing.
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On another subject and hopefully not to controversial but I do like the Adidas WBA kit design. A few years back I really loved both the Adidas Swansea home and away shirts. I'd like to see Adidas come up with a design for us.
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I don't use Instagram but just seen this - https://instagram.com/p/z-TV6vIVZl/
Awesome photo!
I see Shay's getting ready for retirement...
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Pearce was mentioning being at the game in 80/81 with that fantastic own goal by Batson in the 89th minute.
Closet Villa fan?
Now that was a magnificent atmosphere as well.
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Pearce was mentioning being at the game in 80/81 with that fantastic own goal by Batson in the 89th minute.
Closet Villa fan?
Now that was a magnificent atmosphere as well.
Jonathan or Stuart ?
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Jonathan
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Despite being firmly in the 'against' camp as far as pitch invasions go, I do clearly recall the BBC coverage of the League Cup semi final against Blackburn in 2010, which was also covered by the BBC. The pitch invasion that night was not roundly condemned in any shape or form. In fact, I'm certain that Alan Hansen commented about the "wonderful scenes of celebration" or something like that. The whole hype was started by those total cocks Pearce and Lawrenson. I despise them both.
Pearce is fucking dire. London derby, Baggies change strip, Gardner Villa fan, Olsson 7 years service to villa. Just some of the nonsense he spouted last night. God awful twat of a man.
What a complete and utter cock. So pleased to see my licence fee is funding the Manc/Cockney FUBAR media.
Actually quite like the siege mentality, can see a little bit of how Millwall feel.
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Lion concept is inspired. Can I suggest whenever the opposition has an animal emblem - fox, eagle, liver bird, throstle, canary, tiger, swan, bluebird, wolf, ram, stag etc its image should be a mini animation being swallowed by our lion. Chomp chomp, licks lips.
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I don't use Instagram but just seen this - https://instagram.com/p/z-TV6vIVZl/
Awesome photo!
I see Shay's getting ready for retirement...
Meaning?
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Some of the comments I've heard and read in the media about yesterday can be summed up thus: Losing their grip on reality.
The media were using this opportunity to subconsciously refer to the nightmares of Hillsborough and Heysel, and instill themselves into the general population. The repercussions will now be that Villa will start to be thought of along the same lines as Millwall, will kill off any notion of safe standing (that Villa have voiced support for) and influence any FA punishment the club gets in the next few weeks.
Now who's for another 5:30 kick off?
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Pretty sure J Pearce was at uni in Birmingham and used to come to a fair few games.
He was a bit like a dappy uncle yesterday, he got most of the stuff wrong but his heart was in the right place and he seemed to be blowing a fair bit of smoke up our arse.
Until the end that is, when it was past his bedtime and he went a bit loopy.
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I don't use Instagram but just seen this - https://instagram.com/p/z-TV6vIVZl/
Awesome photo!
I see Shay's getting ready for retirement...
Meaning?
I think it was said tongue firmly in cheek ;) meaning that despite being at the tail end of his career Shay played brilliantly and looks delighted to be a part of the action at the club. Solid pro.
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Some of the comments I've heard and read in the media about yesterday can be summed up thus: Losing their grip on reality.
The media were using this opportunity to subconsciously refer to the nightmares of Hillsborough and Heysel, and instill themselves into the general population. The repercussions will now be that Villa will start to be thought of along the same lines as Millwall, will kill off any notion of safe standing (that Villa have voiced support for) and influence any FA punishment the club gets in the next few weeks.
Now who's for another 5:30 kick off?
That's ridiculous. The media - and some of our supporters - have been completely out of proportion, but to say the above comparisons are seriously being made is plain daft.
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Congratulations - no complaints from me. We couldn't live with your pace nor intensity in that second half.
We live to regret the two good chances we missed in the first half.
Fairplay Liam. Close game.
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Are you feeling better TV? I was worried about you when we came home last night and the first post of the game thread contained the observation by you that a semi final in the real cup was a bit small time. Good to see you back in the saddle and galloping towards north London.
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Some of the comments I've heard and read in the media about yesterday can be summed up thus: Losing their grip on reality.
The media were using this opportunity to subconsciously refer to the nightmares of Hillsborough and Heysel, and instill themselves into the general population. The repercussions will now be that Villa will start to be thought of along the same lines as Millwall, will kill off any notion of safe standing (that Villa have voiced support for) and influence any FA punishment the club gets in the next few weeks.
Now who's for another 5:30 kick off?
That's ridiculous. The media - and some of our supporters - have been completely out of proportion, but to say the above comparisons are seriously being made is plain daft.
There's an article going around on Twitter saying how blown out of proportion the media outrage has been. On the article there's some footage of Patrick Barclay saying that it was this kind of behaviour that led to fans being caged in, which led to the Hillsborough disaster.
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Are you feeling better TV? I was worried about you when we came home last night and the first post of the game thread contained the observation by you that a semi final in the real cup was a bit small time. Good to see you back in the saddle and galloping towards north London.
SF in the real cup is fantastic. Fans running on celebrating goals and before the end of the game was all a bit small time. Let's achieve something first is the way I look at and I know we've been a bit starved in these parts, I'd rather we wait to go a bit mental if we win the whole thing. That's all. Can't wait for the next round.
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I don't use Instagram but just seen this - https://instagram.com/p/z-TV6vIVZl/
Awesome photo!
I see Shay's getting ready for retirement...
Meaning?
I think it was said tongue firmly in cheek ;) meaning that despite being at the tail end of his career Shay played brilliantly and looks delighted to be a part of the action at the club. Solid pro.
At first I wondered who it was, he looks like a sprightly teenager!
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Some of the comments I've heard and read in the media about yesterday can be summed up thus: Losing their grip on reality.
The media were using this opportunity to subconsciously refer to the nightmares of Hillsborough and Heysel, and instill themselves into the general population. The repercussions will now be that Villa will start to be thought of along the same lines as Millwall, will kill off any notion of safe standing (that Villa have voiced support for) and influence any FA punishment the club gets in the next few weeks.
Now who's for another 5:30 kick off?
That's ridiculous. The media - and some of our supporters - have been completely out of proportion, but to say the above comparisons are seriously being made is plain daft.
Today's back page headine CARNAGE! in the Torygraph
The TV highlights reel showing fans swinging from the crossbar
The phrase "dark days of the 80s" being used by more than one person by more than one outlet.
Its being hinted at. Football fans though can see through the propaganda.
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We are only weeks away from a very tight and probably dirty General Election. The cynic in me suggests that the demonizing of the great unwashed taking to their grubby bosoms the footy football thugs will play well in the cut glass and stewed prunes belt.
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That's ridiculous. The media - and some of our supporters - have been completely out of proportion, but to say the above comparisons are seriously being made is plain daft.
Agreed. Some posts today have reached persecution complex levels.
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Pearce and Lawrenson were dreadful at the WC, like the fuckin' glums. Pearce said that Sandwell were worthy of draw in midweek and my Albion mates disagreed.
Anyway, he is a fan of one of the Bristol clubs but spent his uni days here and watched us win the league so has a bit of a soft spot for us.
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TV you know I have seen this movie and you know I have told in these pages of my dream of Christian Benteke dancing on the Wembley turf with the lid of the FA cup on his head. Go as mental as you like. It is written.
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That's ridiculous. The media - and some of our supporters - have been completely out of proportion, but to say the above comparisons are seriously being made is plain daft.
Agreed. Some posts today have reached persecution complex levels.
I haven't seen any. Perhaps you'd like to point them out.
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TV you know I have seen this movie and you know I have told in these pages of my dream of Christian Benteke dancing on the Wembley turf with the lid of the FA cup on his head. Go as mental as you like. It is written.
BELIEVE.
Make it so, Lord.
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A Watford football fan is in a critical condition after being attacked by a gang in Wolverhampton on Saturday.
The 44-year-old was with a group of friends making his way to the railway station to return to Hemel Hempstead after a match at Molineux stadium.
They were attacked in Littles Lane at about 17:00 GMT, West Midlands Police said.
Det Sgt Adam Keen said the group was "completely outnumbered" and the man was left with a severe head injury.
He is currently in hospital with what the force described as "life-threatening injuries".
"His family have been informed and we are in the process of taking statements from witnesses and locating any CCTV which might have captured those responsible for the attack," Det Sgt Keen said.
He appealed for anyone with information on the attack to come forward.
The Championship match between Wolves and Watford finished in a 2-2 draw.
Wolves Chief Executive Jez Moxey said the club were "deeply saddened" to hear about the attack and their thoughts were with the supporter and his family.
"As a club we deplore any violence in or around football matches, and we will work closely with the relevant authorities to help bring the perpetrator, or perpetrators, to justice," he said.
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I'm glad we've beat them again we had a good second half I just wish we could play like that all game.
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At the end of the day & after over 3.5 seasons of absolute dross. We are entitled to utter joy. No one got hurt on the pitch and the biggest story is Delph getting some love bites. If the club get a £100K fine they still make a profit from TV rights.
The lion has woken from his slumber.
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At the end of the day & after over 3.5 seasons of absolute dross. We are entitled to utter joy. No one got hurt on the pitch and the biggest story is Delph getting some love bites. If the club get a £100K fine they still make a profit from TV rights.
The lion has woken from his slumber.
Ain't that the truth.
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I haven't seen any. Perhaps you'd like to point them out.
Certainly.
"To be honest its perfect for the media. A story other than villa winning."
"I wouldn't put anything past those sanctimonious tossers to turn this into a Villa witch hunt, that would be right up their street and be completely ignoring the seat throwing , far more dangerous and menacing. The Meaning Evil and WM will probably have a field day if we let them."
"The media have very selective memories and no mention will be made of numerous pitch invasions by Manchester United fans at Villa Park. The whole episode is grist to the mill of the bourgeois football haters who take their opinions and outrage against life in general from places like the Daily Mail."
"If they did they wouldn't have been carrying on like we were the Midlands manifestation of IS"
"As for the righteous indignation and centre stage "look at me I am outraged" posture of the media and its commentators, we football fans must take the same sort of stand that gay, muslim, disabled, black, old, fat, catholic minorities have done to protect themselves against stereotypical prejudice. An event like yesterday declares open season for the Lawrensons and Linekers of the world to build their careers to even greater undeserved heights by implying that people who go to football matches are somehow inferior and deeply flawed and should be subjected to constraints over and above the law of the land. Every minority has the same problem, gay people are called qu**r, muslims are pa**s, disabled people are cripples and so on. We football fans are portrayed as either active or latent hooligans."
"If it was a non-league or lower division club, the likes of Lawrenson would have hailed it as the "magic of the cup". Because it's Villa its seen as a "national scandal taking football back to the 80's". "
"The media were using this opportunity to subconsciously refer to the nightmares of Hillsborough and Heysel, and instill themselves into the general population. The repercussions will now be that Villa will start to be thought of along the same lines as Millwall, will kill off any notion of safe standing (that Villa have voiced support for) and influence any FA punishment the club gets in the next few weeks. "
"We are only weeks away from a very tight and probably dirty General Election. The cynic in me suggests that the demonizing of the great unwashed taking to their grubby bosoms the footy football thugs will play well in the cut glass and stewed prunes belt."
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So, basically, anything that smacks of football supporters defending themselves against, and complaining about ,the sort of media slurs which we've become used to over the decades. To you, that's a persecution complex.
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Certainly. (snip quotes)
To be honest I agree with most of those comments. Only one seems vaguely paranoid and I suspect that was a touch tongue in cheek.
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Some of the comments I've heard and read in the media about yesterday can be summed up thus: Losing their grip on reality.
The media were using this opportunity to subconsciously refer to the nightmares of Hillsborough and Heysel, and instill themselves into the general population. The repercussions will now be that Villa will start to be thought of along the same lines as Millwall, will kill off any notion of safe standing (that Villa have voiced support for) and influence any FA punishment the club gets in the next few weeks.
Now who's for another 5:30 kick off?
That's ridiculous. The media - and some of our supporters - have been completely out of proportion, but to say the above comparisons are seriously being made is plain daft.
Today's back page headine CARNAGE! in the Torygraph
The TV highlights reel showing fans swinging from the crossbar
The phrase "dark days of the 80s" being used by more than one person by more than one outlet.
Its being hinted at. Football fans though can see through the propaganda.
Written by people who probably have no knowledge of football before the mid 90's. To compare what happened yesterday to some of the scenes witnessed in the 80's (where in some cases people tragically lost their lives) is absolutely ridiculous.
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So, basically, anything that smacks of football supporters defending themselves against, and complaining about ,the sort of media slurs which we've become used to over the decades. To you, that's a persecution complex.
No, the idea that Villa are being discriminated against or treated differently to any other club is a persecution complex. To suggest it the day after an incident like yesterday's is even worse; if we're ever going to get justified criticism it's going to be after something like that no? As for brian's stuff, well usually I agree with him but he's off the deep end there.
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Chatting this morning at my son's match (6-0 away win at Wigton Moor) to a mate who is a long standing Swansea supporter and he was saying he was swearing at the TV when they were referring to the dark days, as he said it was absolutely nothing like the supposed dark days. The pitch invasion before the end was embarassing and looked very small time but the one at the final whistle was just exhuberance. Jonathan Pearce was an embarassment from start to finish last night, time for the BBC to put him and us out of our misery.
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So, basically, anything that smacks of football supporters defending themselves against, and complaining about ,the sort of media slurs which we've become used to over the decades. To you, that's a persecution complex.
No, the idea that Villa are being discriminated against or treated differently to any other club is a persecution complex. To suggest it the day after an incident like yesterday's is even worse; if we're ever going to get justified criticism it's going to be after something like that no? As for brian's stuff, well usually I agree with him but he's off the deep end there.
I know that the post is addressed to someone else, but can you explain exactly what you thought was so bad about what happened last night?
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Be nice if folks enjoyed winning instead of still finding something to moan about all day. Lighten up, we're in the semis of the Holy Grail and it IS our year.
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What was so terrible that coverage of "an incident like yesterday's" can't be criticised for the hyperbolistic nonsense that it was? There's been plenty of evidence that other clubs, most notably Manchester United DO get preferential treatment. That's not persecution complex, it's a fact.
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The recurring theme on here that's beginning to bother me is the repeated use of the phrase 'smalltime' as if we should consider ourselves to big to be happy about a trip to wembley. When the fans of the other local teams sulk about us one of the more common themes is that our fans are a 'smug and superior' and calling our own fans smalltime does have an element of that to it.
Condemn the fans who ran on before the whistle, most of them looked so pissed up that they probably don't remember most of the game, but the people who went on at the end were mostly just carried along with events and there's a whole bunch of reasons why it happened, none of which deserve to be labelled as small time.
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Really getting blown out of proportions isn't it.
Let's move on, life's too short
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I know that the post is addressed to someone else, but can you explain exactly what you thought was so bad about what happened last night?
Sure. I hate to see pissed up dickheads running on to the pitch while the game's still going on. I hate to see pissed up dickheads running on to the pitch at the final whistle, while the players are still on the pitch, in a charged up derby game, when there clearly aren't enough stewards or police to cope with it if something went off. I hate to see police and fans squaring up with batons being brandished. I hate to see seats being ripped up and chucked at people. I hate that the Villa's reputation suffers become some pissed up dickheads think it's okay.
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Poor start, they should have been in the lead after the shocking miss by the centre forward who has been useless in both games. After 20-25 mins, thought we got a grip on the game without looking too dangerous, but the half time team talk had the desired effect and we looked a totally different team. Great play by N'Zogbia down the right and played the ball at the right time to Delph, though thought Myhill should have done better. Great run off the ball by Sinclair, who I had been moaning about early on in the game.
Their sending off was a useless decision, but really didnt influence the game as we seemed to be in control and excellent pass by Grealish on the counter attack and good finish by Sinclair.
Thought Grealish was a little unlucky to get the second yellow, but he did seem to make a bit of a meal about the challenge. Still dont think it was worthy of a second yellow.
Sherwood is having a real ositive effect on the team and long may it continue. Pulis was pathetic after the game and should be ashamed of himself for maoning about everything instead of admitting his team were well beaten again. The few who ran on before the end of the game were silly, but there was no nastiness at the end from what I could see
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
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agree with that paul_e
It was worth celebrating, I would also not have held it against them if the Baggies fans had done the same of they won.
These are two grand old clubs with great FA Cup records there is nothing wrong with celebrating in style when you progress. No people shouldn't have been on the pitch before full time (stupid and counter productive) and absolutely throwing seats around is to be acted upon (bloody dangerous) , but the post match invasion was completely fine. Good natured and nobody hurt during it.
Small time? To be honest the journos and fans of smaller clubs who throw that around are not worth our time anyway.
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What was so terrible that coverage of "an incident like yesterday's" can't be criticised for the hyperbolistic nonsense that it was? There's been plenty of evidence that other clubs, most notably Manchester United DO get preferential treatment. That's not persecution complex, it's a fact.
No, the suggestion is that the Villa are discriminated against by the media for no other reason than because it's the Villa, which is nonsense. That's the very definition of a persecution complex. You may think the reporting is hyperbolic nonsense, others have a different view. And if they do it's not because it's the Villa it's because they genuinely don't like seeing stuff like yesterday.
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I'm goin to stick my neck out and say there is absolutely no chance we'll have to play behind closed doors. Fine and strict telling off. Also with regards to the Albion video where were the stewards and old bill?
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I know that the post is addressed to someone else, but can you explain exactly what you thought was so bad about what happened last night?
Sure. I hate to see pissed up dickheads running on to the pitch while the game's still going on. I hate to see pissed up dickheads running on to the pitch at the final whistle, while the players are still on the pitch, in a charged up derby game, when there clearly aren't enough stewards or police to cope with it if something went off. I hate to see police and fans squaring up with batons being brandished. I hate to see seats being ripped up and chucked at people. I hate that the Villa's reputation suffers become some pissed up dickheads think it's okay.
Were you there, hilts? Not meant to be a 'better fan than yow' style question. Just intrigued.
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I was at Millwall a couple of seasons back where their fans threw bottles onto the pitch because we won a free kick. One of the bottles narrowely missed a female steward and the ref stopped the game whilst it calmed down. I didn't see a fucking thing mentioned in the press about that.
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What was so terrible that coverage of "an incident like yesterday's" can't be criticised for the hyperbolistic nonsense that it was? There's been plenty of evidence that other clubs, most notably Manchester United DO get preferential treatment. That's not persecution complex, it's a fact.
No, the suggestion is that the Villa are discriminated against by the media for no other reason than because it's the Villa, which is nonsense. That's the very definition of a persecution complex. You may think the reporting is hyperbolic nonsense, others have a different view. And if they do it's not because it's the Villa it's because they genuinely don't like seeing stuff like yesterday.
You're right there. Some things happened that some people didn't like at all.
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I was at Millwall a couple of seasons back where their fans threw bottles onto the pitch because we won a free kick. One of the bottles narrowely missed a female steward and the ref stopped the game whilst it calmed down. I didn't see a fucking thing mentioned in the press about that.
Ah yes, same game where Nzogbia was racially abused when taking corners if I recall. No mention of that either.
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I don't remember many on here slating fans for the Blackburn pitch invasion 5 years ago.
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I don't use Instagram but just seen this - https://instagram.com/p/z-TV6vIVZl/
Awesome photo!
I see Shay's getting ready for retirement...
Meaning?
He's sporting a little paunch
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I was at Millwall a couple of seasons back where their fans threw bottles onto the pitch because we won a free kick. One of the bottles narrowely missed a female steward and the ref stopped the game whilst it calmed down. I didn't see a fucking thing mentioned in the press about that.
Ah yes, same game where Nzogbia was racially abused when taking corners if I recall. No mention of that either.
I think it was N'Zogbia who won the said free kick actually. Millwall have got away with a lot more than we're getting slagged for yesterday.
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Terrible isn't it, won't somebody please think of the children. Worst thing ever seen at a football stadium.
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I was at Millwall a couple of seasons back where their fans threw bottles onto the pitch because we won a free kick. One of the bottles narrowely missed a female steward and the ref stopped the game whilst it calmed down. I didn't see a fucking thing mentioned in the press about that.
Ah yes, same game where Nzogbia was racially abused when taking corners if I recall. No mention of that either.
I think it was N'Zogbia who won the said free kick actually. Millwall have got away with a lot more than we're getting slagged for yesterday.
They do. I think we are entitled to be pissed off at the BBC stirring this shit up. Their coverage of us has been terrible for years, it is not crazy to assume they just do not like us.
Compare the deluded BBC commentary at the end of the game to Barry Glendenning's (no Villa fan) btw.
"Peep! Peep! Peeeeep! Anthony Taylor draws proceedings to a close and there’s another pitch invasion by hundreds of happy Villa fan. Most of the players sprint for the tunnel, but Villa skipper Fabian Delph gets caught in the middle of it and ends up being mobbed by happy supporters. "
Thats it.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/live/2015/mar/07/aston-villa-v-west-brom-fa-cup-quarter-final-live
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I don't use Instagram but just seen this - https://instagram.com/p/z-TV6vIVZl/
Awesome photo!
I see Shay's getting ready for retirement...
Meaning?
He's sporting a little paunch
really? he looks in pretty good shape to me.
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Basically the fans running on the pitch before the final whistle were idiots and it was wrong. I don't mind after the end of the game provided it's done safely.
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Spot anyone you know? https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f (https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f)
one of my friends sons works in the upper north and was badly injured when they broke into a kiosk had to be taken to hospital for treatment . hateed the tesco bags before more than small heath now hate them even more if that was possible. SOTb
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Basically the fans running on the pitch before the final whistle were idiots and it was wrong. I don't mind after the end of the game provided it's done safely.
That's exactly what Ian Wright has just said on 606. He said he'd done it as a kid himself to hug Laurie Cunningham.
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So, basically, anything that smacks of football supporters defending themselves against, and complaining about ,the sort of media slurs which we've become used to over the decades. To you, that's a persecution complex.
No, the idea that Villa are being discriminated against or treated differently to any other club is a persecution complex. To suggest it the day after an incident like yesterday's is even worse; if we're ever going to get justified criticism it's going to be after something like that no? As for brian's stuff, well usually I agree with him but he's off the deep end there.
Is the first point mine? I think you missed my point, It's not that the media are anti-Villa but what's the story of the FA Cup quarter-finals. Villa beat West Brom? Bradford draw with Reading? Or people on the pitch? How are you going to get interest from just the football when there were pitch invasions?
The media have blown it out of all proportions to cover a boring Saturday for them.
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Anybody know where I can watch the full game? I went to the Norfolk coast this weekend and had somebody talking during the whole thing match.
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I know that the post is addressed to someone else, but can you explain exactly what you thought was so bad about what happened last night?
Sure. I hate to see pissed up dickheads running on to the pitch while the game's still going on. I hate to see pissed up dickheads running on to the pitch at the final whistle, while the players are still on the pitch, in a charged up derby game, when there clearly aren't enough stewards or police to cope with it if something went off. I hate to see police and fans squaring up with batons being brandished. I hate to see seats being ripped up and chucked at people. I hate that the Villa's reputation suffers become some pissed up dickheads think it's okay.
OK, I mean you're entitled to your opinion. I personally didn't get that impression from being at the game and saw it as more of a release of euphoria from a set of fans that have suffered a lot of disappointment over the past few seasons. I didn't go on the pitch myself and booed the ones who went on before the final whistle, but I can somewhat understand the reaction.
What frustrates me a little bit is that those pointing the finger at the fans aren't also pointing the finger in other deserving directions such as those who scheduled the game at 5.30pm.
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Anybody know where I can watch the full game? I went to the Norfolk coast this weekend and had somebody talking during the whole thing match.
It's on iplayer.
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Anybody know where I can watch the full game? I went to the Norfolk coast this weekend and had somebody talking during the whole thing match.
BBC iplayer still has it on.
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What frustrates me a little bit is that those pointing the finger at the fans aren't also pointing the finger in other deserving directions such as those who scheduled the game at 5.30pm.
In my defence, I did do that earlier. If you mean the media, then I take your point.
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Terrible isn't it, won't somebody please think of the children. Worst thing ever seen at a football stadium.
Now there's hyperbole. (winky thing)
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I notice Mike Parry at talksport has called for the game to be replayed behind closed doors
There will be a lot of villa and manure games replayed then.
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What frustrates me a little bit is that those pointing the finger at the fans aren't also pointing the finger in other deserving directions such as those who scheduled the game at 5.30pm.
In my defence, I did do that earlier. If you mean the media, then I take your point.
Yeah I did mean the media and not you Hilts.
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Anybody know where I can watch the full game? I went to the Norfolk coast this weekend and had somebody talking during the whole thing match.
iplayer Here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0555ygh/the-fa-cup-201415-aston-villa-v-west-brom)
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Anybody know where I can watch the full game? I went to the Norfolk coast this weekend and had somebody talking during the whole thing match.
It's on iplayer.
Cheers, I didn't think they showed football for some reason
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Is the first point mine? I think you missed my point, It's not that the media are anti-Villa but what's the story of the FA Cup quarter-finals. Villa beat West Brom? Bradford draw with Reading? Or people on the pitch? How are you going to get interest from just the football when there were pitch invasions?
The media have blown it out of all proportions to cover a boring Saturday for them.
I have to disagree with you on that peter. The media cover it because it happened. If it doesn't happen then the story is Villa win. We've only got ourselves, or rather a minority of our fans, to blame for that. The proportionality is a matter of personal opinion; I mean I understand why it's being downplayed on here, I get that, no-one likes to hear negative things said about our club, but that doesn't mean I agree with it.
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Yeah I did mean the media and not you Hilts.
Fair play.
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Spot anyone you know? https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f (https://fbcdn-video-l-a.akamaihd.net/hvideo-ak-xpf1/v/t42.1790-2/11036728_10206021992777248_1797312583_n.mp4?rl=556&vabr=309&oh=1da3a31a4033fd2424847d75ab42e53d&oe=54FF68B9&__gda__=1426028676_f33a33b3bc1332c6546f05a0e59dca3f)
one of my friends sons works in the upper north and was badly injured when they broke into a kiosk had to be taken to hospital for treatment . hateed the tesco bags before more than small heath now hate them even more if that was possible. SOTb
Sorry to hear that, stewards would have got a kicking too especially after the apparent incidents between them and Albion fans on Tuesday. Just not enough police, end of.
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I know that the post is addressed to someone else, but can you explain exactly what you thought was so bad about what happened last night?
Sure. I hate to see pissed up dickheads running on to the pitch while the game's still going on. I hate to see pissed up dickheads running on to the pitch at the final whistle, while the players are still on the pitch, in a charged up derby game, when there clearly aren't enough stewards or police to cope with it if something went off. I hate to see police and fans squaring up with batons being brandished. I hate to see seats being ripped up and chucked at people. I hate that the Villa's reputation suffers become some pissed up dickheads think it's okay.
I wonder what McNulty, Lawrenson, Pearce and all the other self righteous tossers made of it when Villa fans streamed onto the pitch at Highbury in 1981, Swindon in 88, Tranmere and so on.
I think back to iconic images the pictures of Villa fans holding Garry Thompson aloft at the County Ground. That marked the end of a particularly bleak period for the club. I'm not putting beating a piss poor Smethwick on a par with winning the league, making a cup final or gaining promotion. But hopefully, the images of Delph with the fans last night might go on to be seen as a turning point for us in years to come.
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My mind is a bit fuzzy from yesterday.
What time was the first pitch incursion (it was not an invasion)?
I've only invaded a pitch once. Cardiff Arms Park. Llanelli v Ponypool in the cup final as I recall. It was exuberant. Then when you stopped, you looked up and saw the magnificent stadium and wondered what it would like to play on that pitch. I'm not even a rugby fan.
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I'm not having this Man Utd pitch invasion at Villa Park,
it was no more than a few Herbert's jumping the side hoardings and celebrating a goal for a few seconds
They have never mounted a decent pitch invasion in there lives, piss poor attemptsl in fact
We are the undisputed kings of the pitch invasion, about 10,0000 of us fuckers all over the pitch pilling on from every stand, now that's a proper pitch invasion, and no manc club had ever come close to doing the same,
so let's have less of this shit about Utd running all over the pitch, they didn't, they are a bunch of no mark wankers that wouldn't know what a proper pitch invasion was if it whacked them square in the face
For the record, I was on the pitch against Blackburn and also against Derby county around 77/78 which in fairness I didn't have much choice about, but did get arrested and my mum and grandma had to come and collect me from Derby police station which didn't do my street cred much good
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one of my friends sons works in the upper north and was badly injured when they broke into a kiosk had to be taken to hospital for treatment . hateed the tesco bags before more than small heath now hate them even more if that was possible. SOTb
Sorry to hear that, stewards would have got a kicking too especially after the apparent incidents between them and Albion fans on Tuesday. Just not enough police, end of.
Reading the forum I think Liam pointed us too after the first game, the Albion fans were up for a ruck with the Stewards days before the match. It is annoying that Villa are getting much of the bad press and Albion are being so self rightous about it all, when their fans were on the pitch after the goal in the league game, their fans were flinging seats causing damage I hope we bill the scummy bastards for and their fans it would appear have hurt a friend of a member on here while he was doing his job. Hardly seems a very balanced view. Mind Delph coming in and saying it was scary and he was bitten probably didn't help us too much.
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My mind is a bit fuzzy from yesterday.
What time was the first pitch incursion (it was not an invasion)?
Just before the 94th minute iirc.
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Spot on John, we even had brolly man down at Selhurst Park.
Didn't someone run on and go down on one knee and propose to Tony Daley once?
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My mind is a bit fuzzy from yesterday.
What time was the first pitch incursion (it was not an invasion)?
Just before the 94th minute iirc.
So probably fans misunderstanding a referees whistle?
Happened in Tuesday too from the commentators. The red blew for the restart and they declared game finished only to be very "ooh the game still has some time left."
A load of nothing over nothing.
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What's a damn shame is that we are spending so much time talking about this as opposed to what was an excellent victory. That today should be the only thing being discussed.
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Was at the game and watch the i player coverage it does seem a fuss about nothing.
I do wonder how much Pearce and Lawrenson then prompted the tone of other media coverage. They appeared to be egging each other on and Lineker tried to correct the record afterwards. 606 was equally hysterical after the game.
As for stewarding a lot of them were dragged out of position trying to stop the Albion fans getting at Villa fans at the segregation barrier. albion supporters fought with police and it seemed to drag everybody out of position and I think that's what egged supporters in witton lane on to go on the pitch.
I suppose biggest priority was to stop fighting. It is lucky so many Albion fans had left before the end and that they weren't kept behind.
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What's a damn shame is that we are spending so much time talking about this as opposed to what was an excellent victory. That today should be the only thing being discussed.
It is a good point. Twice in a week, against a side managed by the current flavour of the month, we battled harder, worked harder and played better football, thoroughly deserving to win on both occasions.
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Makes you realise just what scum Villa fans really are.
The BBC, and Daily Mail are right.
http://twitter.com/The_Wonderball/status/574592069311799297/photo/1
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What I've loved about the last two games is by the end I do not have the urge to slag any of our players off. It feels so good to feel good about our own players again. Everyone put in a shift, and N'Zog and Cleverly rightly were applauded when they were subbed.
It sounds weird, but I'd forgotten what it's like not to be angry at my team!
Some insight there Joe.
Share your thoughts completely.
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They have never mounted a decent pitch invasion in there lives, piss poor attemptsl in fact
We are the undisputed kings of the pitch invasion, about 10,0000 of us fuckers all over the pitch pilling on from every stand, now that's a proper pitch invasion, and no manc club had ever come close to doing the same,
A fine rant John e, but I have to refer you to the famous Manc derby at Old Trafford in 1974 when Denis Law scored against man yoo to send them down ( I know it didn't actually send them down but that's football folklore for you).
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Makes you realise just what scum Villa fans really are.
The BBC, and Daily Mail are right.
http://twitter.com/The_Wonderball/status/574592069311799297/photo/1
Lifetime bans for this filth.
;D
It really was an ace game.
I am even starting to want Scott Sinclair at the club permanently. Bloody hell whats going wrong?? :)
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
He's been superb to be honest. I rate him higher than Cahill.
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Some people were on the pitch. They thought it was all over. It is now.
It's a sign of the times, I'm afraid, in this culture of obligatory outrage and offence, this sanitised corporate age, that a bit of silly over-exuberance has been turned into something approaching a massacre.
I was there on Tuesday, and duly let off a bit of steam at the end. And it struck me that, in these times of rolling media scrutiny, childish finger-pointing and faux moral indignation, how few opportunities there are for people to do that. So much of what we're force fed via the media is pro-faced, micro-managed and anodyne, and what happened on Saturday night was a shot of realism.
The fools that ran on before the end pissed me off - they might have got the game called off. But at the end nobody died, many thousands sang and celebrated. It was spontaneous and raw. I'd rather live in a world where that happens from time to time through exuberance and sheer elation, than one where skulking automatons do exactly as they're bid by an all-powerful media. Oh, and fuck the BBC for getting in over their vinegary tits with this.
Bradford in the semis, please.
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
He's been superb to be honest. I rate him higher than Cahill.
As consistent as Hutton has been, Clark is my player of the season so far. He was immense in both games, only blot was diving in and not getting there just before Berhino played Idaye through and Given came out brilliantly.
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Phil McNulty seems to be blocking anyone on Twitter who queries his ludicrous 'dark ages' report. This is someone employed by a publicly funded broadcaster.
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
He's been superb to be honest. I rate him higher than Cahill.
As consistent as Hutton has been, Clark is my player of the season so far. He was immense in both games, only blot was diving in and not getting there just before Berhino played Idaye through and Given came out brilliantly.
Agreed, my hope now is Baker and Clark can really nail those positions down, I like Okore but he seems error prone, I hope he irons that out too.
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Some people were on the pitch. They thought it was all over. It is now.
It's a sign of the times, I'm afraid, in this culture of obligatory outrage and offence, this sanitised corporate age, that a bit of silly over-exuberance has been turned into something approaching a massacre.
I was there on Tuesday, and duly let off a bit of steam at the end. And it struck me that, in these times of rolling media scrutiny, childish finger-pointing and faux moral indignation, how few opportunities there are for people to do that. So much of what we're force fed via the media is pro-faced, micro-managed and anodyne, and what happened on Saturday night was a shot of realism.
The fools that ran on before the end pissed me off - they might have got the game called off. But at the end nobody died, many thousands sang and celebrated. It was spontaneous and raw. I'd rather live in a world where that happens from time to time through exuberance and sheer elation, than one where skulking automatons do exactly as they're bid by an all-powerful media. Oh, and fuck the BBC for getting in over their vinegary tits with this.
Bradford in the semis, please.
But it seems to have upset a few who watched on the TV, surely you'd give up years of fan culture if you'd have known it was going to cause a bit of indignation before the X Factor starts? Surely.
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
He's been superb to be honest. I rate him higher than Cahill.
As consistent as Hutton has been, Clark is my player of the season so far. He was immense in both games, only blot was diving in and not getting there just before Berhino played Idaye through and Given came out brilliantly.
Agreed, my hope now is Baker and Clark can really nail those positions down, I like Okore but he seems error prone, I hope he irons that out too.
Okore is a much better player than Baker.
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After the years of shit home football, it's no wonder the less calm of the parish find themselves on the grass when something remotely exciting happens at Villa Park. The gnashing is silly. The commentary was embarrassing too. Started with Pearce saying how the Albion were SO UNLUCKY in the league game (they were lucky they weren't severely battered) amd ended with how the fans had "really ruined Sherwood's day" of some shit like that. The BBC LOVED the invasion. LOVED IT. More ratings, more interesting for the viewing audience.
For me, I thought the early invasion was a result of the tension being lifted, plus the beer, plus the fact it's a derby. Stupid. Banning orders justified. Teeth needn't be gnashed though. The later one was justified. "Ooh, Villa cup final"... etc etc. Yes, we're almost in one, thanks.
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Some people were on the pitch. They thought it was all over. It is now.
It's a sign of the times, I'm afraid, in this culture of obligatory outrage and offence, this sanitised corporate age, that a bit of silly over-exuberance has been turned into something approaching a massacre.
I was there on Tuesday, and duly let off a bit of steam at the end. And it struck me that, in these times of rolling media scrutiny, childish finger-pointing and faux moral indignation, how few opportunities there are for people to do that. So much of what we're force fed via the media is pro-faced, micro-managed and anodyne, and what happened on Saturday night was a shot of realism.
The fools that ran on before the end pissed me off - they might have got the game called off. But at the end nobody died, many thousands sang and celebrated. It was spontaneous and raw. I'd rather live in a world where that happens from time to time through exuberance and sheer elation, than one where skulking automatons do exactly as they're bid by an all-powerful media. Oh, and fuck the BBC for getting in over their vinegary tits with this.
Bradford in the semis, please.
Cracking post.
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Totally agree that the semi-final should not be played at Wembley.
Yeah...semi-finals should still be played at Villa Park!
:D
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Is the first point mine? I think you missed my point, It's not that the media are anti-Villa but what's the story of the FA Cup quarter-finals. Villa beat West Brom? Bradford draw with Reading? Or people on the pitch? How are you going to get interest from just the football when there were pitch invasions?
The media have blown it out of all proportions to cover a boring Saturday for them.
I have to disagree with you on that peter. The media cover it because it happened. If it doesn't happen then the story is Villa win. We've only got ourselves, or rather a minority of our fans, to blame for that. The proportionality is a matter of personal opinion; I mean I understand why it's being downplayed on here, I get that, no-one likes to hear negative things said about our club, but that doesn't mean I agree with it.
So you think it was carnage?
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Terrible isn't it, won't somebody please think of the children. Worst thing ever seen at a football stadium.
Still sends a shiver down the spine watching that.
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
He's been superb to be honest. I rate him higher than Cahill.
He's also not left footed
Baker was surprisingly good at the start of the season tho. Good back up to Clark.
As consistent as Hutton has been, Clark is my player of the season so far. He was immense in both games, only blot was diving in and not getting there just before Berhino played Idaye through and Given came out brilliantly.
Agreed, my hope now is Baker and Clark can really nail those positions down, I like Okore but he seems error prone, I hope he irons that out too.
Okore is a much better player than Baker.
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Full backs gave the ball away too often, Okore was poor, we looked edgy, certain players were anonymous. All first half stuff. Yet the second half, every department tightened up, Delph, Sinclair, Okore, Clark, Sanchez were really good, so was Charlie. Great communication from the manager and coaches at half time to get the message across. We fully deserved to win the game. Now for Sunderland, that said, if we win our home games we will be fine, so anything we collect on the road is a bonus.
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Terrible isn't it, won't somebody please think of the children. Worst thing ever seen at a football stadium.
Still sends a shiver down the spine watching that.
Tsk. Someone might have had their delicate little eardrums perforated by that nasty, raucous singing. The brutes, the oiks, the bally roustabouts!
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I wonder if infamous ex poster The Gnasher ended his boycott and somehow procured a ticket and bit Delphy as some kind of situationist statement against Doug Ellis.
In any event, the WMP will no doubt have in their custody an imprint of the tooth marks and the culprit will be brought to swift justice by means of scrutiny of dental records and mandible examinations of supporters entering the ground.
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
He's been superb to be honest. I rate him higher than Cahill.
As consistent as Hutton has been, Clark is my player of the season so far. He was immense in both games, only blot was diving in and not getting there just before Berhino played Idaye through and Given came out brilliantly.
Agreed, my hope now is Baker and Clark can really nail those positions down, I like Okore but he seems error prone, I hope he irons that out too.
He is, but it is quite easy to forget just how young he is.
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Any truth in the rumour Albion will change their nickname to the Owls following our 2-1 2-0 over them
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So you think it was carnage?
I've already said how I feel about it. My point was really that hyperbole in the media is matched by hyperbole on here, generally by people complaining about media hyperbole. Jimbo's talking about skulking automatons like he's been watching too much Dr Who. It's hard not to find it ridiculous.
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Patrick Barclay comparing it to Heysel is ridiculous.
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
He's been superb to be honest. I rate him higher than Cahill.
As consistent as Hutton has been, Clark is my player of the season so far. He was immense in both games, only blot was diving in and not getting there just before Berhino played Idaye through and Given came out brilliantly.
Agreed, my hope now is Baker and Clark can really nail those positions down, I like Okore but he seems error prone, I hope he irons that out too.
He is, but it is quite easy to forget just how young he is.
Also easy to forget that despite being called "young defender" by every commentary team in the land, Clark is now 25. Which is the age defenders usually start to mature, he has clearly filled out a bit too and no longer gets physically manhandled like he once did. He also has 111 premier league starts under him.
Okore by contrast is only 22, has just 19 games in this league and is learning on the job, but he has hellish good potential. Think back to Clark 3 years ago, Okore is a much better defender than Clark was. If he follows the same projection, by 25 he will a beast of a player.
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Didn't realise Okore was 21, had 27/28 in my head, he will improve vastly.
As will baker and Clark.
Vlaar is a basket case and if he refused to sign for us again then good riddance.
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Midlands today report just aired included the the statement that Villa fans 'entered the pitch intent on causing trouble'. Obviously they are going to keep repeating this take on events no matter what.
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Patrick Barclay comparing it to Heysel is ridiculous.
When did he do that?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_h8OweWAAApa7D.jpg)
Delph's biting suspect revealed...
Brilliant!
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So you think it was carnage?
I've already said how I feel about it. My point was really that hyperbole in the media is matched by hyperbole on here, generally by people complaining about media hyperbole. Jimbo's talking about skulking automatons like he's been watching too much Dr Who. It's hard not to find it ridiculous.
Nothing quite as ridiculous as your gnashing of teeth. Did you ever go to a football match in the '80s? If you did then you'll know what happened last night was a million light years away fom the 'dark days' of that decade, and the fuss about it is completely overblown, sensationalist and worthy of parody.
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Patrick Barclay comparing it to Heysel is ridiculous.
When did he do that?
On Sky's Sunday morning show where they have the football writers on. Although to give it some context he did say that the reason the fences went up was to combat pitch invasions and the fences then led to Hillsborough.
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Nothing quite as ridiculous as your gnashing of teeth. Did you ever go to a football match in the '80s? If you did then you'll know what happened last night was a million light years away fom the 'dark days' of that decade, and the fuss about it is completely overblown, sensationalist and worthy of parody.
We'll have to agree to disagree then Jimbo.
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Saturday wasn't anything like Blues games in atmosphere, it was raucously pro Villa but the hatred wasn't there.
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Patrick Barclay comparing it to Heysel is ridiculous.
When did he do that?
On Sky's Sunday morning show where they have the football writers on. Although to give it some context he did say that the reason the fences went up was to combat pitch invasions and the fences then led to Hillsborough.
So he's almost saying that what happened at Hillsborough was the fault of the fans?
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So you think it was carnage?
I've already said how I feel about it. My point was really that hyperbole in the media is matched by hyperbole on here, generally by people complaining about media hyperbole. Jimbo's talking about skulking automatons like he's been watching too much Dr Who. It's hard not to find it ridiculous.
You weren't there. You were watching it on the telly. Your original comment was that it 'looked awful'.
Armchair supporter, handing down judgement.
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Saturday wasn't anything like Blues games in atmosphere, it was raucously pro Villa but the hatred wasn't there.
That's what I thought, too. 03/03/03 was hate filled from start to finish, this one was an intense game but without the level of animosity. Great atmosphere, although I know there was trouble with Albion fans in the North Stand.
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
He's been superb to be honest. I rate him higher than Cahill.
As consistent as Hutton has been, Clark is my player of the season so far. He was immense in both games, only blot was diving in and not getting there just before Berhino played Idaye through and Given came out brilliantly.
Agreed, my hope now is Baker and Clark can really nail those positions down, I like Okore but he seems error prone, I hope he irons that out too.
He is, but it is quite easy to forget just how young he is.
Also easy to forget that despite being called "young defender" by every commentary team in the land, Clark is now 25. Which is the age defenders usually start to mature, he has clearly filled out a bit too and no longer gets physically manhandled like he once did. He also has 111 premier league starts under him.
Okore by contrast is only 22, has just 19 games in this league and is learning on the job, but he has hellish good potential. Think back to Clark 3 years ago, Okore is a much better defender than Clark was. If he follows the same projection, by 25 he will a beast of a player.
also important that Clark has become a superb left sided CB, and Okore is maturing all the time at the PL level on the right. The thought of those two governing our back line, with Baker cover for Clark, and Donacien and maybe if gets back to any kind of health Senderos is certainly a solid set of defenders at that position.
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You weren't there. You were watching it on the telly. Your original comment was that it 'looked awful'.
Armchair supporter, handing down judgement.
I was watching it on a free feed because I can't afford a TV licence. And if I can't go it's because I'm on benefits and after my rent is paid I have £240 per month left to pay for everything else: food, getting around, bills, everything. So you'll have to forgive me if I can't afford to get the train up from London to Brum and pay for a ticket. And I'm not going to have you look down your privileged nose at me for it. Hand that judgement down you smarmy cocksucker.
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You weren't there. You were watching it on the telly. Your original comment was that it 'looked awful'.
Armchair supporter, handing down judgement.
I was watching it on a free feed because I can't afford a TV licence. And if I can't go it's because I'm on benefits and after my rent is paid I have £240 per month left to pay for everything else: food, getting around, bills, everything. So you'll have to forgive me if I can't afford to get the train up from London to Brum and pay for a ticket. And I'm not going to have you look down your privileged nose at me for it. Hand that judgement down you smarmy cocksucker.
I'm sure you want to apologise for that remark.
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Patrick Barclay comparing it to Heysel is ridiculous.
When did he do that?
On Sky's Sunday morning show where they have the football writers on. Although to give it some context he did say that the reason the fences went up was to combat pitch invasions and the fences then led to Hillsborough.
So he's almost saying that what happened at Hillsborough was the fault of the fans?
I'm sure you could find it and make your own mind up, I'm a bit biased in that I like Barclay and find him a thoughtful and insightful writer. He wasn't really directly comparing it, rather more taking a subject to an illogical conclusion but it was certainly clumsy.
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Outrageous.
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So you think it was carnage?
I've already said how I feel about it. My point was really that hyperbole in the media is matched by hyperbole on here, generally by people complaining about media hyperbole. Jimbo's talking about skulking automatons like he's been watching too much Dr Who. It's hard not to find it ridiculous.
You weren't there. You were watching it on the telly. Your original comment was that it 'looked awful'.
Armchair supporter, handing down judgement.
I was an armchair supporter too damon. Am I not allowed to pass comment on what I saw? Bit rich of you isn't it?
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Patrick Barclay comparing it to Heysel is ridiculous.
When did he do that?
On Sky's Sunday morning show where they have the football writers on. Although to give it some context he did say that the reason the fences went up was to combat pitch invasions and the fences then led to Hillsborough.
So he's almost saying that what happened at Hillsborough was the fault of the fans?
I'm sure you could find it and make your own mind up, I'm a bit biased in that I like Barclay and find him a thoughtful and insightful writer. He wasn't really directly comparing it, rather more taking a subject to an illogical conclusion but it was certainly clumsy.
No, I understand that he wasn't making a comparison, its the logic that worries me.
What a twit.
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As we've seen with Baggie Bill this week, there is no bigger crime for a journalist than being bland, even at the risk of coming over as an utter cretin.
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Some people were on the pitch. They thought it was all over. It is now.
It's a sign of the times, I'm afraid, in this culture of obligatory outrage and offence, this sanitised corporate age, that a bit of silly over-exuberance has been turned into something approaching a massacre.
I was there on Tuesday, and duly let off a bit of steam at the end. And it struck me that, in these times of rolling media scrutiny, childish finger-pointing and faux moral indignation, how few opportunities there are for people to do that. So much of what we're force fed via the media is pro-faced, micro-managed and anodyne, and what happened on Saturday night was a shot of realism.
The fools that ran on before the end pissed me off - they might have got the game called off. But at the end nobody died, many thousands sang and celebrated. It was spontaneous and raw. I'd rather live in a world where that happens from time to time through exuberance and sheer elation, than one where skulking automatons do exactly as they're bid by an all-powerful media. Oh, and fuck the BBC for getting in over their vinegary tits with this.
Bradford in the semis, please.
Spot on - and for the record , I'm with Damon.
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Did anyone else find Woodward's announcement of the QPR result at half time utterly cringeworthy?
No.
I was having a piss.
;-)
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Patrick Barclay comparing it to Heysel is ridiculous.
He's an idiot of the highest order like Henry Winter. Pretend to be the intelligent voices of football, but them are both very poor journalists in my view.
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You weren't there. You were watching it on the telly. Your original comment was that it 'looked awful'.
Armchair supporter, handing down judgement.
I was watching it on a free feed because I can't afford a TV licence. And if I can't go it's because I'm on benefits and after my rent is paid I have £240 per month left to pay for everything else: food, getting around, bills, everything. So you'll have to forgive me if I can't afford to get the train up from London to Brum and pay for a ticket. And I'm not going to have you look down your privileged nose at me for it. Hand that judgement down you smarmy cocksucker.
I'm sure you want to apologise for that remark.
Like fuck I do. Having a pop at me for not having as much money as he does. Let's have an apology from him first, if he's not too busy birching the peasants.
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You weren't there. You were watching it on the telly. Your original comment was that it 'looked awful'.
Armchair supporter, handing down judgement.
I was watching it on a free feed because I can't afford a TV licence. And if I can't go it's because I'm on benefits and after my rent is paid I have £240 per month left to pay for everything else: food, getting around, bills, everything. So you'll have to forgive me if I can't afford to get the train up from London to Brum and pay for a ticket. And I'm not going to have you look down your privileged nose at me for it. Hand that judgement down you smarmy cocksucker.
I'm sure you want to apologise for that remark.
Like fuck I do. Having a pop at me for not having as much money as he does. Let's have an apology from him first, if he's not too busy birching the peasants.
I think you'd benefit from the rest of the night off.
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
He's been superb to be honest. I rate him higher than Cahill.
As consistent as Hutton has been, Clark is my player of the season so far. He was immense in both games, only blot was diving in and not getting there just before Berhino played Idaye through and Given came out brilliantly.
Agreed, my hope now is Baker and Clark can really nail those positions down, I like Okore but he seems error prone, I hope he irons that out too.
Okore is a much better player than Baker.
Jury's out
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Saturday wasn't anything like Blues games in atmosphere, it was raucously pro Villa but the hatred wasn't there.
I completely agree. It was boisterous, raucous fun and I never once felt any threat around the ground.
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The late lamented, by me at least, Greg Gnasher used to say that not going to games and watching on the telly gave an insight you couldn't possibly get from being at the ground.
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The late lamented, by me at least, Greg Gnasher used to say that not going to games and watching on the telly gave an insight you couldn't possibly get from being at the ground.
The late, unlamented Greg Gnasher said a lot of nonsense.
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You weren't there. You were watching it on the telly. Your original comment was that it 'looked awful'.
Armchair supporter, handing down judgement.
I was watching it on a free feed because I can't afford a TV licence. And if I can't go it's because I'm on benefits and after my rent is paid I have £240 per month left to pay for everything else: food, getting around, bills, everything. So you'll have to forgive me if I can't afford to get the train up from London to Brum and pay for a ticket. And I'm not going to have you look down your privileged nose at me for it. Hand that judgement down you smarmy cocksucker.
I'm sure you want to apologise for that remark.
Perhaps he does, but I can see why he was pissed off.
Anyway, hope they both calm down, don't want to see either of them get banned.
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Indeed he did, and none more so than that. He wasn't quite so erudite as some but I like to think he knew he was talking bollocks.
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Greg Gnasher used to say that not going to games and watching on the telly gave an insight you couldn't possibly get from being at the ground.
*facepalm*
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Patrick Barclay comparing it to Heysel is ridiculous.
When did he do that?
On Sky's Sunday morning show where they have the football writers on. Although to give it some context he did say that the reason the fences went up was to combat pitch invasions and the fences then led to Hillsborough.
So he's almost saying that what happened at Hillsborough was the fault of the fans?
I'm sure you could find it and make your own mind up, I'm a bit biased in that I like Barclay and find him a thoughtful and insightful writer. He wasn't really directly comparing it, rather more taking a subject to an illogical conclusion but it was certainly clumsy.
Clumsy is being kind. There was no need to mention Heysel at all really. I'm begining to think we're the only club in the whole world who's fans have invaded the pitch.
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Saturday wasn't anything like Blues games in atmosphere, it was raucously pro Villa but the hatred wasn't there.
I completely agree. It was boisterous, raucous fun and I never once felt any threat around the ground.
Even in the pub before there was some handy looking Albion lads and noone really cared as they were behaving themselves, wouldn't have happened with Blues
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Please don't ban Hilts, he is one of the really good guys on here and doesn't deserve it
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Patrick Barclay comparing it to Heysel is ridiculous.
When did he do that?
On Sky's Sunday morning show where they have the football writers on. Although to give it some context he did say that the reason the fences went up was to combat pitch invasions and the fences then led to Hillsborough.
So he's almost saying that what happened at Hillsborough was the fault of the fans?
I'm sure you could find it and make your own mind up, I'm a bit biased in that I like Barclay and find him a thoughtful and insightful writer. He wasn't really directly comparing it, rather more taking a subject to an illogical conclusion but it was certainly clumsy.
Clumsy is being kind. There was no need to mention Heysel at all really. I'm begining to think we're the only club in the whole world who's fans have invaded the pitch.
I can't recall him doing so to be fair.
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The Graun has managed to chill out and give a fairer account of proceedings, plus they've included further quotes from Delph they couldn't be arsed to report earlier.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/08/aston-villa-west-brom-tim-sherwood-fa-cup-match-report
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I'm begining to think we're the only club in the whole world who's fans have invaded the pitch.
Maybe we are, at least in recent times. I can't think of the last time there was any more than the odd nutter on the pitch before the final whistle. Certainly not the numbers there were yesterday.
It's a loss of control, and that's not going to go down well.
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You weren't there. You were watching it on the telly. Your original comment was that it 'looked awful'.
Armchair supporter, handing down judgement.
I was watching it on a free feed because I can't afford a TV licence. And if I can't go it's because I'm on benefits and after my rent is paid I have £240 per month left to pay for everything else: food, getting around, bills, everything. So you'll have to forgive me if I can't afford to get the train up from London to Brum and pay for a ticket. And I'm not going to have you look down your privileged nose at me for it. Hand that judgement down you smarmy cocksucker.
I'm sure you want to apologise for that remark.
Perhaps he does, but I can see why he was pissed off.
Anyway, hope they both calm down, don't want to see either of them get banned.
I can see why he was pissed off too. He probably shouldn't have said what he did, but then damon shouldn't have said what he did either. There's lots of people who can't attend games for wherever reason, and if hilts cannot do it then he shouldn't have to justify why. He is entitled to his opinion whether he goes to games or not.
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Still, it's great to see the way a good result brings us all together.
*whistles*
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The Graun has managed to chill out and give a fairer account of proceedings, plus they've included further quotes from Delph they couldn't be arsed to report earlier.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/mar/08/aston-villa-west-brom-tim-sherwood-fa-cup-match-report
Though true to form in their long established sloppy traditions, they referred to our game as an East Midlands derby in their minute by minute report.
Henry Winter in the Telegraph has a piece on how yesterday is not a return to days of yore too.
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Did anyone glimpse a half and half scarf, I thought I caught one but the suspect escaped before I saw properly?
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I'm begining to think we're the only club in the whole world who's fans have invaded the pitch.
Maybe we are, at least in recent times. I can't think of the last time there was any more than the odd nutter on the pitch before the final whistle. Certainly not the numbers there were yesterday.
It's a loss of control, and that's not going to go down well.
F**k control.
When The Villa score I'm very happy to lose control...done it very few times this season but I can understand the fans yesterday losing it for a few minutes and jigging across the pitch because we'd beaten a local rival who's been telling us for years that they're better than us (and believing it!) and being pretty much backed up by local and national media.
The twats who invaded the pitch before the end I've got to put down to naivity...they don't know any better...largely kids with no concept of consequences. Absolutely fuc*ing stupid...while expressing a massive sense of loyalty and support for their team. The twats!!!
Make mistake, realise mistake, learn from it, move on....
There will be an FA fine. I hope they take circumstances into consideration and consider other factors like some wanker's decision to put the game on at 5.30 on a Saturday...5 days after the two local rivals had played each other in a hotly contested league game!
Main consideration seems to have been for TV audiences...fuck the local fans...let's stoke the fire...then sit back and watch it blaze!!!
Then criticize the locals for warming their hands by it.
BBC etc.
Twats!
Tired now.
Bed time!
UTV!
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I'm begining to think we're the only club in the whole world who's fans have invaded the pitch.
Maybe we are, at least in recent times. I can't think of the last time there was any more than the odd nutter on the pitch before the final whistle. Certainly not the numbers there were yesterday.
It's a loss of control, and that's not going to go down well.
To answer my own question, it must have been the West Ham / Millwall "outbreak of football mars orchestrated violence" match in 2009. Much worse of course.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_h8OweWAAApa7D.jpg)
Delph's biting suspect revealed...
Brilliant!
Errr...so what was Louis Suarez doing wearing a Villa shirt this weekend? Is he a secret Villa fan?
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/ad_125803119.jpg)
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If we are considering an appeal against Jack's dismissal, a tape of the tackles made by the Hull players against him should suffice as evidence as to why he might be predisposed to taking evasive action.
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There is no drunk thread so here will do. A few beers in so excuse.
You know what? We actually played really well in that second half. I am starting to believe.
UTV!
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If we are considering an appeal against Jack's dismissal, a tape of the tackles made by the Hull players against him should suffice as evidence as to why he might be predisposed to taking evasive action.
You can't appeal a yellow as I inderstand it
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On my way into work last Monday I thought win the Albion league game or at worst get a draw and it would have been a good week no matter what happens in the quarter final due to the horror run weve been on but to win league and cup games against our true historical rivals is brilliant, on my way to work today with a spring in my step to greet my one eyed Albion colleagues, cant wait to see them :)
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
He's been superb to be honest. I rate him higher than Cahill.
As consistent as Hutton has been, Clark is my player of the season so far. He was immense in both games, only blot was diving in and not getting there just before Berhino played Idaye through and Given came out brilliantly.
Agreed, my hope now is Baker and Clark can really nail those positions down, I like Okore but he seems error prone, I hope he irons that out too.
Okore is a much better player than Baker.
Jury's out
I like Baker, and he was my choice to play alongside Vlaar, but, I cannot argue with the pairing of Clark and Okore.
They're big buddies off the pitch and it shows. They complement each other so well.
Yes, there have been 'moments, but this partnership is still in it's infancy and will only get stronger.
I cannot see beyond these two as Villa's central defensive pairing for several years, now.
Clark is certainly my PotS so far, too.
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Had a little chuckle at this...
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/suspiciously-talented-footballers-invade-pitch-at-villa-park-2015030996047
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Had a little chuckle at this...
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/suspiciously-talented-footballers-invade-pitch-at-villa-park-2015030996047
Hehe!
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_h8OweWAAApa7D.jpg)
Delph's biting suspect revealed...
Brilliant!
Errr...so what was Louis Suarez doing wearing a Villa shirt this weekend? Is he a secret Villa fan?
(https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/ad_125803119.jpg)
Whoosh!
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
He's been superb to be honest. I rate him higher than Cahill.
As consistent as Hutton has been, Clark is my player of the season so far. He was immense in both games, only blot was diving in and not getting there just before Berhino played Idaye through and Given came out brilliantly.
Agreed, my hope now is Baker and Clark can really nail those positions down, I like Okore but he seems error prone, I hope he irons that out too.
Okore is a much better player than Baker.
Jury's out
I like Baker, and he was my choice to play alongside Vlaar, but, I cannot argue with the pairing of Clark and Okore.
They're big buddies off the pitch and it shows. They complement each other so well.
Yes, there have been 'moments, but this partnership is still in it's infancy and will only get stronger.
I cannot see beyond these two as Villa's central defensive pairing for several years, now.
Clark is certainly my PotS so far, too.
I also think that Okore is essential because of his pace too. He's made some errors but I thought he was excellent in the second half last night. He will iron those creases out over the next year. This is still only his first season at this level.
Baker has done well this season, but I'd still be hesitant to trust him as a number one. Particularly now that Clark looks a lot more aerially dominant than he has in previous years.
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I find it a disgrace. A bloody disgrace. How can we seriously expect this to continue? I pay my taxes, my electricity bills, and can afford life's little luxuries such as owning a laptop. Yet this site, this so-called top Villa fans forum, openly allows those on benefits to post amongst us. We should have been told beforehand.
SHOCKED AND SADDENED OF CROYDON.
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On the Guardian site there was a long discussion about the pitch invasions and there was a lot less sanctimony than there is on this thread. The majority of the neutral posters were praising the atmosphere and saying how Villa had injected some much needed passion into the FA Cup. The comment from the Man City fan is absolutely spot on.
"A match with real atmosphere at long last"
"Wonderful emotional exuberance ... Pity about the BBC coverage. Mark Lawrenson is such a miserable old git."
"The pitch invasion was fantastic to see in today's over sanitised game. Real passion from real fans."
"Fantastic scenes at the end. Real jubilation, its what the corporate game hates."
"As a long, long time Man City fan I can completely sympathise with the Villa fans. Absolute brilliant show of support and emotion. Everything that football is about. Yes, a few hundred goaded the West Brom fans with taunts of '2-0' but Jonathan Pearce really will have to explain how it was a throwback to the bad old days.
In fact, the BBC coverage made me laugh with dramatic statements of how bad the crowd were as the camera showed a bunch of fantastic 8 year olds in their team colours and scarves posing victoriously on the sideline so their Dad could take a photo.
The BBC have been trying to say how the cup still means something and yet when a set of fans finally show what it really does mean they get all sanctimonious. Good on you Villa fans and great to see Sinclair get a brilliantly taken goal. Now see off Manyoo in the semis."
"When the game started I had absolutely no interest but when I flicked back for the last 15 mins I marvelled in the brilliant and passionate atmosphere. Brilliant support by the Villa fans. Even Gary L. had to change his tune when he saw that the vast majority were just enjoying the moment. Get a grip and go and watch tennis or something."
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I was allowed to watch the game and film fan reactions in the Holte End for a project I'm working on, making a music video for Aston Villa That's Who. Here is a short clip from when Delph scored the opener:
I fucking love that. I love the pause and silence then ROAR!!!!!!
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On the Guardian site there was a long discussion about the pitch invasions and there was a lot less sanctimony than there is on this thread. The majority of the neutral posters were praising the atmosphere and saying how Villa had injected some much needed passion into the FA Cup. The comment from the Man City fan is absolutely spot on.
"A match with real atmosphere at long last"
"Wonderful emotional exuberance ... Pity about the BBC coverage. Mark Lawrenson is such a miserable old git."
"The pitch invasion was fantastic to see in today's over sanitised game. Real passion from real fans."
"Fantastic scenes at the end. Real jubilation, its what the corporate game hates."
"As a long, long time Man City fan I can completely sympathise with the Villa fans. Absolute brilliant show of support and emotion. Everything that football is about. Yes, a few hundred goaded the West Brom fans with taunts of '2-0' but Jonathan Pearce really will have to explain how it was a throwback to the bad old days.
In fact, the BBC coverage made me laugh with dramatic statements of how bad the crowd were as the camera showed a bunch of fantastic 8 year olds in their team colours and scarves posing victoriously on the sideline so their Dad could take a photo.
The BBC have been trying to say how the cup still means something and yet when a set of fans finally show what it really does mean they get all sanctimonious. Good on you Villa fans and great to see Sinclair get a brilliantly taken goal. Now see off Manyoo in the semis."
"When the game started I had absolutely no interest but when I flicked back for the last 15 mins I marvelled in the brilliant and passionate atmosphere. Brilliant support by the Villa fans. Even Gary L. had to change his tune when he saw that the vast majority were just enjoying the moment. Get a grip and go and watch tennis or something."
Brilliant, always did like Man City fans. Very apposite given how sanitised the atmosphere is at the Etihad, I can't think of a ground, sadly, with less atmosphere. Maine Road and the Kippax never used to be like that. Exactly what I have been saying all weekend...
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I find it a disgrace. A bloody disgrace. How can we seriously expect this to continue? I pay my taxes, my electricity bills, and can afford life's little luxuries such as owning a laptop. Yet this site, this so-called top Villa fans forum, openly allows those on benefits to post amongst us. We should have been told beforehand.
SHOCKED AND SADDENED OF CROYDON.
Can afford the bloody internet though, can't he? Eh? EH?
*Hilts, that's massively tongue in cheek by the way*
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I find it a disgrace. A bloody disgrace. How can we seriously expect this to continue? I pay my taxes, my electricity bills, and can afford life's little luxuries such as owning a laptop. Yet this site, this so-called top Villa fans forum, openly allows those on benefits to post amongst us. We should have been told beforehand.
SHOCKED AND SADDENED OF CROYDON.
Can afford the bloody internet though, can't he? Eh? EH?
*Hilts, that's massively tongue in cheek by the way*
And he posts from a swanky part of bloody london. probably on his new i-phone. That ME YOU AND THE FRIGGIN ROMANIANS, probably, are paying for.
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Very nicely diffused Peter, excellent, made me smile!
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I'm begining to think we're the only club in the whole world who's fans have invaded the pitch.
Maybe we are, at least in recent times. I can't think of the last time there was any more than the odd nutter on the pitch before the final whistle. Certainly not the numbers there were yesterday.
It's a loss of control, and that's not going to go down well.
It makes us look small time I'm afraid and I can't for the life of me see why fans thought it was acceptable on Saturday!
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What's this sudden mania to call everything smalltime?
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What's this sudden mania to call everything smalltime?
It's really annoying isn't it, if we'd been winning loads of trophies in the last few years I'd understand it but given how poor we've been it's just odd.
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/suspiciously-talented-footballers-invade-pitch-at-villa-park-2015030996047
Apologies if already posted, certainly made me chuckle.
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http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/sport/sport-headlines/suspiciously-talented-footballers-invade-pitch-at-villa-park-2015030996047
Apologies if already posted, certainly made me chuckle.
Has it's own thread: http://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=53779.msg1567710
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Agree, Dave.
This has been one of the biggest weeks at Villa Park for years. Just when it looked like Albion, of all teams, had shown up to put the boot into Villa and send us into a complete tailspin, we showed them that we're not dead and buried and if they come at the Kings, they'd best not miss.
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I'm begining to think we're the only club in the whole world who's fans have invaded the pitch.
Maybe we are, at least in recent times. I can't think of the last time there was any more than the odd nutter on the pitch before the final whistle. Certainly not the numbers there were yesterday.
It's a loss of control, and that's not going to go down well.
It makes us look small time I'm afraid and I can't for the life of me see why fans thought it was acceptable on Saturday!
For a number of reasons I'd say.
1. The kick off time which allowed for a good few hours post game drinking
2. Non regulars attending their one of a few games in the season who are more interested in people looking at them than they are at looking at the game.
3. Wanting a selfie taken on the pitch
4. Genuine exuberance.
5. never been on the pitch before
6. Think they'll get away with it
7. A bit stupid and alcohol combination
8. Don't see it as an issue or problem
9. Have always done it at every opportunity
10. For a bet
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What's this sudden mania to call everything smalltime?
We are supposed to take our example from the true giants of the game, Chelsea and such. When we score the manager should just turn to the bench and nod knowingly, it was all part of the plan. The fans should whip their phones out to capture the moment ready for youtube followed by the applause. Going wild and losing control, balloons, flags, banners.... it's the Quarter final ffs! Not the world cup final, all so small time.
Do you know what is ''small time''. Playing weakened teams to rest players for the battle for 4th. Diving against Preston North End when you are already winning. Threatening fans with bans if they don't buy a ticket for another game. Booing your manager because he didn't spend £100m in the summer and you've just been beaten.
It's the FA cup, some would say still the best and most famous cup competition in the world and there's only going to be 4 bloody teams left in it and we are one of them. We've gone from cheering a shot like the second coming of Christ to believing we can beat a team or two (Albion anyway). So forgive those who turn up and make it a throwback to the 70's and 80's, the only similarity I saw to that era on Saturday evening was a raucous, partisan crowd getting behind the team and celebrating like it meant something. Sorry it didn't make good TV but it was for us and not to suitably entertain M Lawrenson from wankersville.
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What's this sudden mania to call everything smalltime?
We are supposed to take our example from the true giants of the game, Chelsea and such. When we score the manager should just turn to the bench and nod knowingly, it was all part of the plan. The fans should whip their phones out to capture the moment ready for youtube followed by the applause. Going wild and losing control, balloons, flags, banners.... it's the Quarter final ffs! Not the world cup final, all so small time.
Do you know what is ''small time''. Playing weakened teams to rest players for the battle for 4th. Diving against Preston North End when you are already winning. Threatening fans with bans if they don't buy a ticket for another game. Booing your manager because he didn't spend £100m in the summer and you've just been beaten.
It's the FA cup, some would say still the best and most famous cup competition in the world and there's only going to be 4 bloody teams left in it and we are one of them. We've gone from cheering a shot like the second coming of Christ to believing we can beat a team or two (Albion anyway). So forgive those who turn up and make it a throwback to the 70's and 80's, the only similarity I saw to that era on Saturday evening was a raucous, partisan crowd getting behind the team and celebrating like it meant something. Sorry it didn't make good TV but it was for us and not to suitably entertain M Lawrenson from wankersville.
Love it !!
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Perhaps it was a bit small-time, but with a caveat: most actually 'small-time' clubs don't usually have as many fans in the stands as we had on the pitch. It didn't feel like some 'oh so umble, we've got our day out at Wemberly' type thing - it felt more like the Dortmund fans felt this season when they got out of the relegation zone. It's a big club coming back a bit, resulting in mass catharsis.
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Oh and if Albion are interested enough to want to know what is Aston Villa's goal of the month for March it's Scott Sinclairs in the 85th minute that knocked you wankers out of the FA Cup. Not so hilarious now are we ;)
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http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/why-aston-villa-fans-are-the-scum-of-the-earth
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http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/why-aston-villa-fans-are-the-scum-of-the-earth
Brilliant
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http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/why-aston-villa-fans-are-the-scum-of-the-earth
Brilliant
If you look at @beardedgenius on Twitter (he who wrote it) there are some absolute fucking morons making themselves look like idiots by getting the wrong end of the stick.
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Some sense and perspective over on Talksport at the mo...
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Forgot to say that Clark was my MOTM again, what a change in fortune for the lad and seems to really have matured into a good centre half
He's been superb to be honest. I rate him higher than Cahill.
As consistent as Hutton has been, Clark is my player of the season so far. He was immense in both games, only blot was diving in and not getting there just before Berhino played Idaye through and Given came out brilliantly.
Agreed, my hope now is Baker and Clark can really nail those positions down, I like Okore but he seems error prone, I hope he irons that out too.
Okore is a much better player than Baker.
Jury's out
I like Baker, and he was my choice to play alongside Vlaar, but, I cannot argue with the pairing of Clark and Okore.
They're big buddies off the pitch and it shows. They complement each other so well.
Yes, there have been 'moments, but this partnership is still in it's infancy and will only get stronger.
I cannot see beyond these two as Villa's central defensive pairing for several years, now.
Clark is certainly my PotS so far, too.
I also think that Okore is essential because of his pace too. He's made some errors but I thought he was excellent in the second half last night. He will iron those creases out over the next year. This is still only his first season at this level.
Baker has done well this season, but I'd still be hesitant to trust him as a number one. Particularly now that Clark looks a lot more aerially dominant than he has in previous years.
Agree, Tom.
Isn't it great, though, having two young centre backs who are growing into a strong partnership and you have another young centre back who can come in and do just as good a job.
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Some sense and perspective over on Talksport at the mo...
Why do I sense a hint of sarcasm there?
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http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/why-aston-villa-fans-are-the-scum-of-the-earth
Glad to see the last few pieces posted here...a bit of perspective. Not proud of the pre final whistle numpties, but after the match seemed to be reasonably benign.
Most of those sanctimonious idiots in the media have never known what it's like to love a club so much that it hurts, never known the pain of watching your team sleepwalk to the verge of relegation, never felt the regret of hours and days wasted hoping for better. They have never felt the joy we felt on Saturday...that's why they don't understand. They're not fans, they are doing a job. Their job is to increase readership, provoke debate, make headlines. They don't understand what football means like we do...I feel sorry for them.
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http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/why-aston-villa-fans-are-the-scum-of-the-earth
Very good, thanks for posting that.
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http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/why-aston-villa-fans-are-the-scum-of-the-earth
Brilliant
If you look at @beardedgenius on Twitter (he who wrote it) there are some absolute fucking morons making themselves look like idiots by getting the wrong end of the stick.
Yep, hilarious!
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Some sense and perspective over on Talksport at the mo...
Why do I sense a hint of sarcasm there?
Hah! Surprisingly no sarcasm present. Colin Murray was actually talking sense and Lawrenson got a special mention for his overreaction.
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Some sense and perspective over on Talksport at the mo...
Why do I sense a hint of sarcasm there?
Hah! Surprisingly no sarcasm present. Colin Murray was actually talking sense and Lawrenson got a special mention for his overreaction.
And they would be correct.
If Pearce and Lawrenson hadn't reacted to the after match pitch invasion like a couple of pissy girls blouses, then I don't think there would have been much said about it.
Lineker was very nearly the voice of reason, but the damage had been done by that pair of twats.
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Mark Lawrenson, a man present at the Heysel Disaster, comparing a pitch invasion to the dark days of the 80's. Pathetic.
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This reaction to the storming of the pitch is so boring now. Nobody died.
Buncha crybabies.
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Some sense and perspective over on Talksport at the mo...
Why do I sense a hint of sarcasm there?
Hah! Surprisingly no sarcasm present. Colin Murray was actually talking sense and Lawrenson got a special mention for his overreaction.
And they would be correct.
If Pearce and Lawrenson hadn't reacted to the after match pitch invasion like a couple of pissy girls blouses, then I don't think there would have been much said about it.
Lineker was very nearly the voice of reason, but the damage had been done by that pair of twats.
http://www.umaxit.com/index.php/columns/why-aston-villa-fans-are-the-scum-of-the-earth
Glad to see the last few pieces posted here...a bit of perspective. Not proud of the pre final whistle numpties, but after the match seemed to be reasonably benign.
Most of those sanctimonious idiots in the media have never known what it's like to love a club so much that it hurts, never known the pain of watching your team sleepwalk to the verge of relegation, never felt the regret of hours and days wasted hoping for better. They have never felt the joy we felt on Saturday...that's why they don't understand. They're not fans, they are doing a job. Their job is to increase readership, provoke debate, make headlines. They don't understand what football means like we do...I feel sorry for them.
Bang on, never stood in the torrential rain at Plough Lane only to see Alan Cork prod home in the 119th minute, never started queuing outside the ground at 3.45am for an FA Cup Qtr Final away allocation, never travelled to an away game on the football special only to be held holed up in the train station parcel depot in the blistering heat not even seeing the ground, never paid out 3 weeks wages to watch their team in Europe , get cheated out by a ball that crossed the by line but still think it was one of your most memorable experiences.
They're so fucking clueless it ain't funny and just highlights the gulf between the common working class football supporter and the over paid, half arsed, sanctimonious prick that is Mark Lawrenson and his ilk.
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It's striking me that there's now two FA Cups. There's the lovely, magic-of-the FA Cup, where plumbers and plasterers can dream of playing at Old Trafford and little children run on the pitch to meet their idols, then there's the real FA Cup when you've only got big clubs left and it becomes a proper tournament watched by proper fans.
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Mark Lawrenson, a man present at the Heysel Disaster, comparing a pitch invasion to the dark days of the 80's. Pathetic.
Exactly right, he really should know better. Glad a backlash is starting.
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Some sense and perspective over on Talksport at the mo...
Why do I sense a hint of sarcasm there?
Hah! Surprisingly no sarcasm present. Colin Murray was actually talking sense and Lawrenson got a special mention for his overreaction.
Some sense and perspective over on Talksport at the mo...
Why do I sense a hint of sarcasm there?
Hah! Surprisingly no sarcasm present. Colin Murray was actually talking sense and Lawrenson got a special mention for his overreaction.
And they would be correct.
If Pearce and Lawrenson hadn't reacted to the after match pitch invasion like a couple of pissy girls blouses, then I don't think there would have been much said about it.
Lineker was very nearly the voice of reason, but the damage had been done by that pair of twats.
Now I know we've entered a parallel universe.
1. Villa playing positive football
2. Villa scoring goals.
3. Colin Murray talking sense
4. Lineker the voice of reason.
You'll be telling me next that there's unanimity of HP sauce v Tomato Ketchup on bacon sandwiches next :o
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Bang on, never stood in the torrential rain at Plough Lane only to see Alan Cork prod home in the 119th minute,
I was wearing a really heavy Crombie that day. It took on board about five gallons of rainwater. It was never the same after that.
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I think we did the whole of football a favour on Saturday
Aston Villa, Kings of the pitch invasion
I'm having that printed on a t shirt
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Some sense and perspective over on Talksport at the mo...
Why do I sense a hint of sarcasm there?
Hah! Surprisingly no sarcasm present. Colin Murray was actually talking sense and Lawrenson got a special mention for his overreaction.
Some sense and perspective over on Talksport at the mo...
Why do I sense a hint of sarcasm there?
Hah! Surprisingly no sarcasm present. Colin Murray was actually talking sense and Lawrenson got a special mention for his overreaction.
And they would be correct.
If Pearce and Lawrenson hadn't reacted to the after match pitch invasion like a couple of pissy girls blouses, then I don't think there would have been much said about it.
Lineker was very nearly the voice of reason, but the damage had been done by that pair of twats.
Now I know we've entered a parallel universe.
1. Villa playing positive football
2. Villa scoring goals.
3. Colin Murray talking sense
4. Lineker the voice of reason.
You'll be telling me next that there's unanimity of HP sauce v Tomato Ketchup on bacon sandwiches next :o
now you are just taking what said and spinning it for your own purposes.
I said Lineker VERY nearly !!
:-)
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Hopefully any backlash also gets directed at the FA and TV people.
Only two sets of fans had any real travelling to do in the quarter-finals - Reading and Arsenal - yet they got the kick-offs that caused most inconvenience.
The game with the biggest rivalry, least travelling, and most potential for trouble was allocated for the slot that allowed the biggest opportunity for a pre-match booze up.
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Hopefully any backlash also gets directed at the FA and TV people.
Only two sets of fans had any real travelling to do in the quarter-finals - Reading and Arsenal - yet they got the kick-offs that caused most inconvenience.
The game with the biggest rivalry, least travelling, and most potential for trouble was allocated for the slot that allowed the biggest opportunity for a pre-match booze up.
in fairness to the kick of time
if we had a 12.30 KO the atmosphere wouldn't have been as good, so I'm not to bothered about that
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Mark Lawrenson, a man present at the Heysel Disaster, comparing a pitch invasion to the dark days of the 80's. Pathetic.
Yep 39 deaths. Same as Saturday.
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Lawrenson is an excruciatingly lazy pundit who should be pensioned off. Immediately.
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Mark Lawrenson, a man present at the Heysel Disaster, comparing a pitch invasion to the dark days of the 80's. Pathetic.
Yep 39 deaths. Same as Saturday.
Ha!
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I think the KO time is a complete red herring.
Had Bradford beaten Reading earlier in the day, I'll bet a pound that their fans would have been on the pitch as well.
The first invasion was by twats who shot their load early.
The second, after the whistle, was to be expected.
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Every time I see Lawro on the telly in one of his shirts, I'm instantly taken back to the dark days of the 1980s
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What's this sudden mania to call everything smalltime?
We are supposed to take our example from the true giants of the game, Chelsea and such. When we score the manager should just turn to the bench and nod knowingly, it was all part of the plan. The fans should whip their phones out to capture the moment ready for youtube followed by the applause. Going wild and losing control, balloons, flags, banners.... it's the Quarter final ffs! Not the world cup final, all so small time.
Do you know what is ''small time''. Playing weakened teams to rest players for the battle for 4th. Diving against Preston North End when you are already winning. Threatening fans with bans if they don't buy a ticket for another game. Booing your manager because he didn't spend £100m in the summer and you've just been beaten.
It's the FA cup, some would say still the best and most famous cup competition in the world and there's only going to be 4 bloody teams left in it and we are one of them. We've gone from cheering a shot like the second coming of Christ to believing we can beat a team or two (Albion anyway). So forgive those who turn up and make it a throwback to the 70's and 80's, the only similarity I saw to that era on Saturday evening was a raucous, partisan crowd getting behind the team and celebrating like it meant something. Sorry it didn't make good TV but it was for us and not to suitably entertain M Lawrenson from wankersville.
*applause*
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Every time I see Lawro on the telly in one of his shirts, I'm instantly taken back to the dark days on the 1980s
Too much acid, Chico?
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Hopefully any backlash also gets directed at the FA and TV people.
Only two sets of fans had any real travelling to do in the quarter-finals - Reading and Arsenal - yet they got the kick-offs that caused most inconvenience.
The game with the biggest rivalry, least travelling, and most potential for trouble was allocated for the slot that allowed the biggest opportunity for a pre-match booze up.
in fairness to the kick of time
if we had a 12.30 KO the atmosphere wouldn't have been as good, so I'm not to bothered about that
Totally agree, and I thoroughly enjoyed the whole day - of all the standard TV kick-off times the early Saturday evening one is always the best for me/us, thinking back to the Man City and Chelsea home games in recent years. I was delighted when we got that slot.
However, I was pointing out that the FA could easily have worked with the TV people and minimised any potential for trouble and been fairer to those travelling greater distances (Reading and Arsenal).
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I'm praying for a return to the dark old days of 1957 and actually winning the fucking thing again.
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Every time I see Lawro on the telly in one of his shirts, I'm instantly taken back to the dark days on the 1980s
Too much acid, Chico?
nah. He was on the rock and roll. Couldn't pay his bills.
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Was on the train back to Stourbridge at around half nine Saturday night and there was 'banter' between fans that was generally good natured. I think it was after Rowley that the Villa contingent started singing that yam yam song to the tune of dambusters, to which the Albion fans at the other end of the carriage quite rightly pointed out - "Where's this train going, lads?"
Handshakes as the stripeys got off at Cradley. There were quite a few people on the train that were intimidated by it though and looked like they were expecting it to kick off.
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Bang on, never stood in the torrential rain at Plough Lane only to see Alan Cork prod home in the 119th minute,
I was wearing a really heavy Crombie that day. It took on board about five gallons of rainwater. It was never the same after that.
Snap.
I'd said at half time, "we'll probably lose in the last minute of extra time to an own goal."
Due to the similarities in size and lack of hair between Alan Cork and Chris Price, plus the two of them tussling for the ball led to me getting several seconds of abuse before we realised it was Cork who'd scored.
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This is the best post match thread in about 5 years :D
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It's striking me that there's now two FA Cups. There's the lovely, magic-of-the FA Cup, where plumbers and plasterers can dream of playing at Old Trafford and little children run on the pitch to meet their idols, then there's the real FA Cup when you've only got big clubs left and it becomes a proper tournament watched by proper fans.
I think you're right. I'm trying to find an article I glimpsed from after the fourth round weekend where the writer was desperate for Liverpool/Arsenal/Man U final to restore the competition's credibility. Think it was from a proper paper too, not just some numpty with a blog.
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It's striking me that there's now two FA Cups. There's the lovely, magic-of-the FA Cup, where plumbers and plasterers can dream of playing at Old Trafford and little children run on the pitch to meet their idols, then there's the real FA Cup when you've only got big clubs left and it becomes a proper tournament watched by proper fans.
I think you're right. I'm trying to find an article I glimpsed from after the fourth round weekend where the writer was desperate for Liverpool/Arsenal/Man U final to restore the competition's credibility. Think it was from a proper paper too, not just some numpty with a blog.
If you find it I hope you use it as bog roll. Utterly ridiculous. This cup is never better these days than when one of the Sky 6 doesn't get their hands on the trophy. Bradford have been a breath of fresh air this year and knocking out Chelsea will be remembered for decades.
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It's striking me that there's now two FA Cups. There's the lovely, magic-of-the FA Cup, where plumbers and plasterers can dream of playing at Old Trafford and little children run on the pitch to meet their idols, then there's the real FA Cup when you've only got big clubs left and it becomes a proper tournament watched by proper fans.
I think you're right. I'm trying to find an article I glimpsed from after the fourth round weekend where the writer was desperate for Liverpool/Arsenal/Man U final to restore the competition's credibility. Think it was from a proper paper too, not just some numpty with a blog.
You're quite right. It was an article in The Telegraph available here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/fa-cup/11369141/FA-Cup-needs-a-Manchester-United-v-Liverpool-final.html
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What's this sudden mania to call everything smalltime?
We are supposed to take our example from the true giants of the game, Chelsea and such. When we score the manager should just turn to the bench and nod knowingly, it was all part of the plan. The fans should whip their phones out to capture the moment ready for youtube followed by the applause. Going wild and losing control, balloons, flags, banners.... it's the Quarter final ffs! Not the world cup final, all so small time.
Do you know what is ''small time''. Playing weakened teams to rest players for the battle for 4th. Diving against Preston North End when you are already winning. Threatening fans with bans if they don't buy a ticket for another game. Booing your manager because he didn't spend £100m in the summer and you've just been beaten.
It's the FA cup, some would say still the best and most famous cup competition in the world and there's only going to be 4 bloody teams left in it and we are one of them. We've gone from cheering a shot like the second coming of Christ to believing we can beat a team or two (Albion anyway). So forgive those who turn up and make it a throwback to the 70's and 80's, the only similarity I saw to that era on Saturday evening was a raucous, partisan crowd getting behind the team and celebrating like it meant something. Sorry it didn't make good TV but it was for us and not to suitably entertain M Lawrenson from wankersville.
*applause*
Great great post. I was only saying to a Chav (Chelsea fan) yesterday how that would never happen at 'The Bridge' as the Japanese tourists would be too busy trying to decide whether they needed the flash setting on or off on their ipads to get a photo of a racist (player or fan). And that's before you even consider the need for 'red eye reduction' or not. Saturday made me very proud to have people out there realise what we can be and what we could be again if we could just get things right. I found myself reflecting on how people like Sherwood, Sinclair and Cleverley must be appreciating how they have rocked up at a proper football club. I was reminded a 100 times on Saturday why I love the Villa so much. And I think others saw it too - my brother in law who is a Derby fan was asking me yesterday if I could get him tickets for the semi and he normally hates us!
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I hope we don't give up our home fans in the lower north for cup games.Which probably leaves the lower Witton Lane for away fans, maybe with a buffer zone by the Holte.
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A couple of quotes from the BBC:
BBC 7th Nov 2014 after Warrington beat Exeter
There's no pitch invasion like an FA Cup pitch invasion. #getcarriedaway
BBC 7th March 2015
FA Cup pitch invasion: Villa Park scenes throwback to 'dark ages'.
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I wonder if, given the sheer disgust at the pitch invasion from the BBC, they'll begin beeping out "Some people are on the pitch" before "they think it's all over, it is now!" the next time the last 1966 goal gets shown.
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I hope we don't give up our home fans in the lower north for cup games.Which probably leaves the lower Witton Lane for away fans, maybe with a buffer zone by the Holte.
I can't see the club being allowed to do anything but give the North Stand to away supporters for cup games in the future. Apparently against police advise, we "insisted" on splitting them between the North Stand and Witton Lane. I'd imagine the FA apart from fining us will want to know what measures we have for future games. I can't see a few more stewards being the acceptable answer.
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Can we not away fans upper and and lower in the witton lane? They would have about two thirds of it. Might be a problem for the boxes on the lower tier I guess.
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I hope we don't give up our home fans in the lower north for cup games.Which probably leaves the lower Witton Lane for away fans, maybe with a buffer zone by the Holte.
I can't see the club being allowed to do anything but give the North Stand to away supporters for cup games in the future. Apparently against police advise, we "insisted" on splitting them between the North Stand and Witton Lane. I'd imagine the FA apart from fining us will want to know what measures we have for future games. I can't see a few more stewards being the acceptable answer.
That usual away seats plus NS upper is the same arrangement we've had every time a club takes a large allocation in the cup for ages, I don't see how the police can suddenly advise against that. That was the case for Leicester City, for example, who probably also dislike us, but their fans managed to behave.
One reason not to give the whole North Stand is that you're basically looking at them getting the lower north OR the usual away seats, where there are far fewer seats in the lower north stand, so it's not a like-for-like numbers wise.
There were some arseholes in evidence on Saturday, obviously, but the layout of the away seats is nothing to do with it. Nobody forced those morons to start ripping out and throwing seats.
One of the options on westbrom.com for "what causes the trouble on Saturday" is "the layout of the North Stand", and 15% of respondents have selected it.
Utter nonsense. The layout of the stand you were in caused you to start ripping out and throwing seats?
The worst thing about events on Saturday night is not that they happened, it is the massive volumes of sheer horseshit that have been spoken about it since.
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Incidentally, if there is one avoidable factor worth looking at for contributing to the problems, then surely it has to be playing a local derby with elevated importance (a cup QF) at 5.30 on a Saturday.
Still, not doing it probably doesn't fit in with the Beeb's new-found enthusiasm for the FA Cup, and they probably thought it'd give a boost to viewing figures for whichever soul destroying saturday night bilge they showed straight after it.
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A couple of quotes from the BBC:
BBC 7th Nov 2014 after Warrington beat Exeter
There's no pitch invasion like an FA Cup pitch invasion. #getcarriedaway
BBC 7th March 2015
FA Cup pitch invasion: Villa Park scenes throwback to 'dark ages'.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/29962863
Even had flares going off on the pitch - BBC commentator waxing lyrical - how wonderful it is to see this.
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I wonder if, given the sheer disgust at the pitch invasion from the BBC, they'll begin beeping out "Some people are on the pitch" before "they think it's all over, it is now!" the next time the last 1966 goal gets shown.
We need some guidelines.
1: You are not allowed to invade the pitch after the final whistle in a quarter-final, even if it's against your oldest rivals. No matter the context, it has been agreed by Them that this is Small Time.
2: You are allowed to invade the pitch after the final whistle in a semi-final, but not the FA Cup semi-final - the League Cup semi-final is ok.
3: If you are a lower-league side, you are allowed to invade the pitch at any round because it's romantic.
4: Rule 3 applies to Manchester United at any stage of any competition at any ground.
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Incidentally, if there is one avoidable factor worth looking at for contributing to the problems, then surely it has to be playing a local derby with elevated importance (a cup QF) at 5.30 on a Saturday.
Still, not doing it probably doesn't fit in with the Beeb's new-found enthusiasm for the FA Cup, and they probably thought it'd give a boost to viewing figures for whichever soul destroying saturday night bilge they showed straight after it.
The Voice which I had to suffer as a quid pro quo for insisting my girls and wife watch the Villa. They need regular reminders I am not the only Villa fan in the world, though one of my daughters was chatted up by a Villa fan in a Bristol night club on Saturday. Marry him now was my response!
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Who would have thought a few weeks ago that Villa would be the only team to score in the cup at the week end !
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This one contains some of the biggest nonsense on the subject.
He's right about the KO time, but as for the rest of it ...
John Homer: West Brom's clash with Aston Villa should never have been a 5:30pm kick-off
West Bromwich Albion Supporters Club chairman John Homer says the authorities made two fundamental errors in the holding of Saturday’s FA Cup quarter-final.
Homer says organisers put the safety of both sets of players and both sets of supporters in danger.
Homer is hugely critical of the timing of the game and the fact Villa placed their own supporters in the lower tier of the North Stand.
The 5.30pm kick-off will have led to some fans consuming alcohol prior to the game.
“The kick-off time was absolutely ridiculous,” said Homer. “West Midlands Police should have insisted that the game kick off at midday.
“We have played the Villa three times this season, two of which were night games - ludicrous.
“Secondly, there is no way in the world that the Villa should have been allowed to have their supporters in the lower tier of the North Stand.
“That should have been populated entirely by Albion supporters. That would have ended the problem of segregation outside the ground because we would have come out in one block.
“They could have blocked off the Witton Road and we would have come out of the North Stand and back onto our coaches back up the road to Witton Station - end of story.”
Homer does not even attempt to defend Albion fans who broke and threw seats from the Upper tier of the North Stand but says to apportion blame misses the point.
“I’ve read something like eight or nine seats were thrown,” he said. “What we have to do is ask ourselves whether that equates to the hassle there was in the corner of the Doug Ellis and North Stand Lower when our fans are saying they were pelted with bottles, coins and flares.
“A lot of pundits and the press are getting carried away with who threw what at who and why, when the real question should be the segregation of the Albion fans with half in one stand and half in another with the Villa fans in between, it was a recipe for disaster as was the kick-off time.”
Homer says referee Anthony Taylor also made mistakes.
“As I understand it it is quite clinical in the law that if you invade the pitch during the game it is a criminal offence,” he said.
“There were people coming onto the pitch during the game and they were being put back into the stand.
"The first hint of any pitch invasion whether it be at the end of the game or during the game the referee should have taken the players off the field.
"The Villa should have put a tannoy announcement on immediately saying: ‘If there’s any further incursion the game will be stopped’.
“The referee is culpable in that as soon as he saw people coming onto the pitch, and it happened after both goals and in stoppage time, he should have taken the teams off.
“We get the Villa fans now saying it was down to exuberance and excitement and I appreciate that entirely.
“There should have been enough stewards to prevent people from coming on and endangering the safety of both sets of players.
“Only when both sets of players and the referee had left the pitch should the Villa supporters have been allowed to celebrate. That would have been fair enough.
“The point is that Villa mishandled the whole affair. Everybody is talking about who threw what at whom. It is reprehensible from both sides of fans.
“Everybody is going on about who is to blame but at the end of the day day if you have a fizzy bottle of pop you have got to put the right top on it.
“The right top on Saturday would have been a 12 midday kick-off and all the Albion fans in the same stand.”
Homer continued: “I didn’t see seats being thrown because I was too far away. It’s obvious from reports - neutral and otherwise - that seats were thrown.
"That’s reprehensible and abhorrent and shouldn’t have happened but what we have to look at is the causation of it all because we can go on all day about whose fault it was, and who threw what at whom.
“The fact is if the Albion fans had been in the Lower Tier of the North Stand it wouldn’t have happened. It gave the opportunity for some of our idiots.
“In the same breath as talking about Villa’s fans being excited and overjoyed at beating us twice in a week and getting through to a semi-final then you have to understand the angst and anger of the Albion supporters and some of them took it too far.
"We are being expected on one hand to understand the exuberance of the Villa fans whilst on the other hand we are being condemned.”
Homer was in an executive box in the Doug Ellis Lower.
“From where I was sitting it was easy to see who was carrying the flares in the Lower Tier because they were illuminating their faces.
"Neither the stewards nor the police went in. But once again we are getting embroiled in the: ‘who did what to who and why?’.
"It all goes back to the organisation and planning of the game: the kick off time and the Albion fans being split between the North and Doug Ellis Stands.
“I heard Villa wanted to break up a ‘bank of noise’ but they have endangered spectators from both sides in placing Villa fans there.
Homer says trouble before the game led to plenty of Albion fans missing the kick-off: “I believe there was a lot of trouble before the game and I believe there was trouble after the match.
“The Witton Road is not that wide. Two banks of police blocking off the Villa fans as the Albion fans leave the North Stand... easy, peasy.
“Some of the fans on the coaches didn’t get into the ground until ten minutes had been played because they were held up here, there and everywhere.
"Villa fans were circling the Albion buses and throwing stuff at them and banging on the doors. I know that because my wife was on one of the coaches and I’ve spoken to another chap who was on another coach.”
Homer also wanted to thank the Villa fans who took the trouble to pay their respect to the Justice for Jeff Astle campaign.
“I’d like to thank the Villa fans who supported the minute’s applause. That was admirable. I could see people standing and applauding.
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"We should thank the sane and sensible fans amongst the Villa fans for that tribute.”
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/john-homer-west-broms-clash-8801190
"We can go on all day about whose fault it was" - followed by a long whine telling us it was our fault.
If our fans were excited about winning, we have to understand theirs getting so upset they reacted by throwing seats?
"I heard Villa wanted to avoid a wall of noise" so they seperated the fans. I heard they were doing what they do for every cup match.
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Ah yes. We've all been there - so angry that we've kicked a seat off its hinges and then thrown it indiscriminately into an unsuspecting crowd.
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John Homer is one of the most sensible and decent supporters of any club that I know. I'd be amazed if that's what he said in the spirit it's been reported.
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In keeping with the romanticism of the FA Cup, the BBC are filming the Villa Semi final in black and white. The pitch will be ploughed beforehand and all Villa supporters are to wear duffle coats and flared trousers prior to entering onto the field of play.
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Ah yes. We've all been there - so angry that we've kicked a seat off its hinges and then thrown it indiscriminately into an unsuspecting crowd.
If a telling off from the security forces can lead someone to behead hostages then I'm sure a couple of losses against your local rivals is justification for wanton vandalism.
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The line about "We can go on all day about whose fault it was" strikes me as someone saying, 'I'm losing the argument, can we change the subject now?'
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Mascot Cam:
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Mascot Cam:
Wow!
Wish I was seven.
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If he'd have got his wish and Albion had the whole of the North, wouldn't that have meant far less tickets for them?
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Mascot Cam:
Fame at last! That's me and our kid stood next to the tunnel doors before they walk out.
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If he'd have got his wish and Albion had the whole of the North, wouldn't that have meant far less tickets for them?
I think he's assuming they'd also have got the traditional away seats.
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No, they'd have had a few more.
Man United seem to have no trouble with away fans being above home supporters or Newcastle. The way this has been reported is so over the top. Its hardly Small Heath and Leeds or Millwall and Luton style riots is it?
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One good thing is
Villa are back on the map
They are not bored of us anymore
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A couple of quotes from the BBC:
BBC 7th Nov 2014 after Warrington beat Exeter
There's no pitch invasion like an FA Cup pitch invasion. #getcarriedaway
BBC 7th March 2015
FA Cup pitch invasion: Villa Park scenes throwback to 'dark ages'.
Commendation on Hypocrisy Spot.
Can you imagine if it was those loveable Liverpool fans celebrating on the pitch what Lawro and co would be stating. '...means so much. They love the FA Cup. StevieMe's 35th birthday.....' blah de fucking blah
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Its the Wembley thing why we ran on the pitch .
If we were going to be at old Trafford or somewhere for the semis , I don't think many would have ran on the pitch .
Its because the club is going to Wembley and that blame is the f.a , as its ridiculous the semi finals are at Wembley.
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This is all utter nonsense. The primary reason that people ran on the pitch is euphoria at us getting to Wembley, not to start a riot. A huge factor in this is the fact that a lot of people were absolutely hammered after a whole day on the p*ss, thanks to a 5.30pm kick off dictated by (I would imagine) the football league and the BBC. They wanted passion, they got it. And couldn't wash their hands of it quickly enough.
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This is all utter nonsense. The primary reason that people ran on the pitch is euphoria at us getting to Wembley, not to start a riot. A huge factor in this is the fact that a lot of people were absolutely hammered after a whole day on the p*ss, thanks to a 5.30pm kick off dictated by (I would imagine) the football league and the BBC. They wanted passion, they got it. And couldn't wash their hands of it quickly enough.
Those last two sentences are the most accurate of the whole saga.
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This is all utter nonsense. The primary reason that people ran on the pitch is euphoria at us getting to Wembley, not to start a riot. A huge factor in this is the fact that a lot of people were absolutely hammered after a whole day on the p*ss, thanks to a 5.30pm kick off dictated by (I would imagine) the football league and the BBC. They wanted passion, they got it. And couldn't wash their hands of it quickly enough.
Those last two sentences are the most accurate of the whole saga.
Definitely and whatever your views on whatever subject it shows the power of the BBC to set the agenda.
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A bit like that scene in "A few good men".
"You want the truth, you can't handle the truth."
Or something...
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Just listed to 606 podcast from Saturday. Nice to here Savage defending the full pitch invasion. And to hear Delph clear up the biting comment saying it was a bit of rough kissing from fans. Wanker media writing any shit about him being biten to the extent a colleague showed me an article from Is real saying something like 'Aston Villa hooligans bite captain in riot'. What utter shit
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A lot of people involved in the media these days are almost professional trolls - they say whatever will get the most interaction or comment. There was a massive media over-reaction but there was nothing else to talk about.
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If I hear crowd trouble again.
The crowd trouble came from the away fans throwing seats.
ffs
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Mascot Cam:
Wow!
Wish I was seven.
Wow indeed, spine tingling. Lovely how the little lad has all his relatives there, how fantastic is that! I felt for a couple of the older teenage girls who looked very self-conscious in the Villa kit, reminded me of my two at that age
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A lot of people involved in the media these days are almost professional trolls - they say whatever will get the most interaction or comment. There was a massive media over-reaction but there was nothing else to talk about.
They also exhibit a lack of feel and understanding for the game they are covering.
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Mascot Cam:
What am amazing experience, I'm glad he had a good look around, took it all in and seemed to spend an age looking at the Holte. It also must be quite intimidating as a little nipper with all those adults shouting and pointing at you.
Wow!
Wish I was seven.
Wow indeed, spine tingling. Lovely how the little lad has all his relatives there, how fantastic is that! I felt for a couple of the older teenage girls who looked very self-conscious in the Villa kit, reminded me of my two at that age
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If I hear crowd trouble again.
The crowd trouble came from the away fans throwing seats.
ffs
And a few of ours chucking stuff from the Lower North into the Witton Lane.
Had a chat with one of their lot this morning, he's a long time season ticket holder and a pretty level headed type of bloke so not one to get carried away, and he said there was a fair bit of stuff being thrown at them from the Lower North. The press has blown the pitch invasion out of all proportion but let us not pretend that we don't have our own share of dickheads.
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Was on the train back to Stourbridge at around half nine Saturday night and there was 'banter' between fans that was generally good natured. I think it was after Rowley that the Villa contingent started singing that yam yam song to the tune of dambusters, to which the Albion fans at the other end of the carriage quite rightly pointed out - "Where's this train going, lads?"
Handshakes as the stripeys got off at Cradley. There were quite a few people on the train that were intimidated by it though and looked like they were expecting it to kick off.
I might be wrong, but I have always got the impression that the Black Country Albion fans don't have the same hatred towards us as the ones who come from the environs of Birmingham. Their hatred of us is just as deep as that of the noses, who they seem to have been doing a good impression of over the past few seasons.
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Just listed to 606 podcast from Saturday. Nice to here Savage defending the full pitch invasion. And to hear Delph clear up the biting comment saying it was a bit of rough kissing from fans. Wanker media writing any shit about him being biten to the extent a colleague showed me an article from Is real saying something like 'Aston Villa hooligans bite captain in riot'. What utter shit
While I was waiting for the other half to collect her lotto winnings yesterday I ventured over to the shitty newspaper section of Morrison's and had a quick look at the sports sections...one sub-heading stated "MacManaman struck by Villa fan" or similar...about 3 paragraphs in the article quotes Pulis as saying none of the players were hit.
The same report totally contradicting itself, attracting the sensation-seeking reader (or people with very short memory issues!) with a headline then providing evidence in the small print that it didn't actually happen!
Twats!
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If I hear crowd trouble again.
The crowd trouble came from the away fans throwing seats.
ffs
Tom Ross has referred to "Saturday's violence".
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If I hear crowd trouble again.
The crowd trouble came from the away fans throwing seats.
ffs
Tom Ross has referred to "Saturday's violence".
He's being a proper shit-stirrer about it on Facebook. Silly old sod.
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Just watched the second half again on I player...I'd recommend it! I couldn't really enjoy it at the time, just felt we would find a way to throw it away. Much easier to enjoy it knowing the result.
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A lot of people involved in the media these days are almost professional trolls - they say whatever will get the most interaction or comment. There was a massive media over-reaction but there was nothing else to talk about.
They also exhibit a lack of feel and understanding for the game they are covering.
Especially Lawro - lazy fupper
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If I hear crowd trouble again.
The crowd trouble came from the away fans throwing seats.
ffs
To be fair, I'd suggest (3) Villa fans running onto the pitch to goad Myhill was also 'trouble'. And they weren't away fans.
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Just listed to 606 podcast from Saturday. Nice to here Savage defending the full pitch invasion. And to hear Delph clear up the biting comment saying it was a bit of rough kissing from fans. Wanker media writing any shit about him being biten to the extent a colleague showed me an article from Is real saying something like 'Aston Villa hooligans bite captain in riot'. What utter shit
Well Aston Villa captain needs to be careful on what he says to the press.
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Just watched the second half again on I player...I'd recommend it! I couldn't really enjoy it at the time, just felt we would find a way to throw it away. Much easier to enjoy it knowing the result.
A little treat I've got planned for myself this evening!!
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All this media storm about the crowd. Pulis and his team will be delighted that there performances are escaping attention.
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If anyone mentions football violence to me again, I'm going to punch them in the face.
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We need a huge banner saying ' Danger- media over reaction zone!'
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It's striking me that there's now two FA Cups. There's the lovely, magic-of-the FA Cup, where plumbers and plasterers can dream of playing at Old Trafford and little children run on the pitch to meet their idols, then there's the real FA Cup when you've only got big clubs left and it becomes a proper tournament watched by proper fans.
I think you're right. I'm trying to find an article I glimpsed from after the fourth round weekend where the writer was desperate for Liverpool/Arsenal/Man U final to restore the competition's credibility. Think it was from a proper paper too, not just some numpty with a blog.
Had to travel to Galway today for a hospital appointment. Listening to the radio today they had some prick on saying how everyone is wanting a Liverpool/Man U/ Arse type final; as 'lesser' clubs would make for a less interesting final. My blood pressure went through the roof. Started reading the match report in the Irish Times (creditable broadsheet) and there was not one mention of a game of football that had taken place, it was all about the 21st century D-Day! with respect to veterans. TBF, I think the article was taken from a piece in the Guardian. Even Mrs S could understand my wrath.
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If anyone mentions football violence to me again, I'm going to punch them in the face.
make sure you are wearing your Villa shirt though, just so they are clear.
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It's striking me that there's now two FA Cups. There's the lovely, magic-of-the FA Cup, where plumbers and plasterers can dream of playing at Old Trafford and little children run on the pitch to meet their idols, then there's the real FA Cup when you've only got big clubs left and it becomes a proper tournament watched by proper fans.
I think you're right. I'm trying to find an article I glimpsed from after the fourth round weekend where the writer was desperate for Liverpool/Arsenal/Man U final to restore the competition's credibility. Think it was from a proper paper too, not just some numpty with a blog.
Had to travel to Galway today for a hospital appointment. Listening to the radio today they had some prick on saying how everyone is wanting a Liverpool/Man U/ Arse type final; as 'lesser' clubs would make for a less interesting final. My blood pressure went through the roof. Started reading the match report in the Irish Times (creditable broadsheet) and there was not one mention of a game of football that had taken place, it was all about the 21st century D-Day! with respect to veterans. TBF, I think the article was taken from a piece in the Guardian. Even Mrs S could understand my wrath.
On 606 last night, Kelly Dalglish was inviting people to call in and explain which manager they thought would most benefit from winning the FA Cup - Rodgers, Van Gaal or Wenger. None of whom had even qualified for the semi final. She didn't even mention the other managers. Well, she hadn't mentioned them by the time I'd put my fucking foot through the radio and sent the repair bill to the BBC.
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We need a huge banner saying ' Danger- media over reaction zone!'
Excellent idea.
Then an invasion of the Press Box v Swansea, preferably by fans with with vampire teeth - while those in the Upper Trinity throw chairs (not seats) down on them.
Catering can even join in by supplying a press buffet from the dark ages.
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It's striking me that there's now two FA Cups. There's the lovely, magic-of-the FA Cup, where plumbers and plasterers can dream of playing at Old Trafford and little children run on the pitch to meet their idols, then there's the real FA Cup when you've only got big clubs left and it becomes a proper tournament watched by proper fans.
I think you're right. I'm trying to find an article I glimpsed from after the fourth round weekend where the writer was desperate for Liverpool/Arsenal/Man U final to restore the competition's credibility. Think it was from a proper paper too, not just some numpty with a blog.
Had to travel to Galway today for a hospital appointment. Listening to the radio today they had some prick on saying how everyone is wanting a Liverpool/Man U/ Arse type final; as 'lesser' clubs would make for a less interesting final. My blood pressure went through the roof. Started reading the match report in the Irish Times (creditable broadsheet) and there was not one mention of a game of football that had taken place, it was all about the 21st century D-Day! with respect to veterans. TBF, I think the article was taken from a piece in the Guardian. Even Mrs S could understand my wrath.
On 606 last night, Kelly Dalglish was inviting people to call in and explain which manager they thought would most benefit from winning the FA Cup - Rodgers, Van Gaal or Wenger. None of whom had even qualified for the semi final. She didn't even mention the other managers. Well, she hadn't mentioned them by the time I'd put my fucking foot through the radio and sent the repair bill to the BBC.
Quality.
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It's striking me that there's now two FA Cups. There's the lovely, magic-of-the FA Cup, where plumbers and plasterers can dream of playing at Old Trafford and little children run on the pitch to meet their idols, then there's the real FA Cup when you've only got big clubs left and it becomes a proper tournament watched by proper fans.
I think you're right. I'm trying to find an article I glimpsed from after the fourth round weekend where the writer was desperate for Liverpool/Arsenal/Man U final to restore the competition's credibility. Think it was from a proper paper too, not just some numpty with a blog.
Had to travel to Galway today for a hospital appointment. Listening to the radio today they had some prick on saying how everyone is wanting a Liverpool/Man U/ Arse type final; as 'lesser' clubs would make for a less interesting final. My blood pressure went through the roof. Started reading the match report in the Irish Times (creditable broadsheet) and there was not one mention of a game of football that had taken place, it was all about the 21st century D-Day! with respect to veterans. TBF, I think the article was taken from a piece in the Guardian. Even Mrs S could understand my wrath.
On 606 last night, Kelly Dalglish was inviting people to call in and explain which manager they thought would most benefit from winning the FA Cup - Rodgers, Van Gaal or Wenger. None of whom had even qualified for the semi final. She didn't even mention the other managers. Well, she hadn't mentioned them by the time I'd put my fucking foot through the radio and sent the repair bill to the BBC.
Quality.
I was in Curry's Pc World at the time
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While we are at it, I think the quality of the live offering of the EPL could do with bolstering- I don't want to be watching the likes of Hull, Crystal Palace and Everton thrash the ball aound the pitch- I want Super Sundays! Manchester City-Arsenal-Chelsea-Liverpool til I'm blue in the face!
Let's introduce the new Super EPL- compulsory relegation for the bottom 12 teams, based on number of likes on Facebook!
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It's striking me that there's now two FA Cups. There's the lovely, magic-of-the FA Cup, where plumbers and plasterers can dream of playing at Old Trafford and little children run on the pitch to meet their idols, then there's the real FA Cup when you've only got big clubs left and it becomes a proper tournament watched by proper fans.
I think you're right. I'm trying to find an article I glimpsed from after the fourth round weekend where the writer was desperate for Liverpool/Arsenal/Man U final to restore the competition's credibility. Think it was from a proper paper too, not just some numpty with a blog.
Had to travel to Galway today for a hospital appointment. Listening to the radio today they had some prick on saying how everyone is wanting a Liverpool/Man U/ Arse type final; as 'lesser' clubs would make for a less interesting final. My blood pressure went through the roof. Started reading the match report in the Irish Times (creditable broadsheet) and there was not one mention of a game of football that had taken place, it was all about the 21st century D-Day! with respect to veterans. TBF, I think the article was taken from a piece in the Guardian. Even Mrs S could understand my wrath.
On this point, I've just remembered something from the coverage of last year's final, namely Arsenal attempting to win their first trophy in nine years was deemed more worthy of comment than Hull going for their first trophy ever. The magic of the cup is not welcome beyond the fifth round it seems.
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When you have the entire Holte End on its feet (and we were in the upper tier, even us down the front) and singing, with the Witton Lane and Trinity Road joining us along with the North too, Villa Park has to be the very best football ground in the entire world.
The atmosphere in the second half on Saturday was brilliant and boomingly loud, with the normal 80 minute Witton laners running onto the track like it was an away game.
It was just a fantastic game.
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It's striking me that there's now two FA Cups. There's the lovely, magic-of-the FA Cup, where plumbers and plasterers can dream of playing at Old Trafford and little children run on the pitch to meet their idols, then there's the real FA Cup when you've only got big clubs left and it becomes a proper tournament watched by proper fans.
I think you're right. I'm trying to find an article I glimpsed from after the fourth round weekend where the writer was desperate for Liverpool/Arsenal/Man U final to restore the competition's credibility. Think it was from a proper paper too, not just some numpty with a blog.
Had to travel to Galway today for a hospital appointment. Listening to the radio today they had some prick on saying how everyone is wanting a Liverpool/Man U/ Arse type final; as 'lesser' clubs would make for a less interesting final. My blood pressure went through the roof. Started reading the match report in the Irish Times (creditable broadsheet) and there was not one mention of a game of football that had taken place, it was all about the 21st century D-Day! with respect to veterans. TBF, I think the article was taken from a piece in the Guardian. Even Mrs S could understand my wrath.
On 606 last night, Kelly Dalglish was inviting people to call in and explain which manager they thought would most benefit from winning the FA Cup - Rodgers, Van Gaal or Wenger. None of whom had even qualified for the semi final. She didn't even mention the other managers. Well, she hadn't mentioned them by the time I'd put my fucking foot through the radio and sent the repair bill to the BBC.
Quality.
I was in Curry's Pc World at the time
Ha ha! Mick "Chico" Miller
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While we are at it, I think the quality of the live offering of the EPL could do with bolstering- I don't want to be watching the likes of Hull, Crystal Palace and Everton thrash the ball aound the pitch- I want Super Sundays! Manchester City-Arsenal-Chelsea-Liverpool til I'm blue in the face!
Let's introduce the new Super EPL- compulsory relegation for the bottom 12 teams, based on number of likes on Facebook!
Sounds like a great product! Now which franchise will I choose to cheer for on Super Day 1 ?????!!!!!!!
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I know Tim sherwood did the obligatory villa are a big club great history support etc, when he took the managers job but he must of thought after Saturdays game Jesus christ what is this place going to be like with real success.
What a great fooking week
Villa till I die
By the way that was another instalment in the payback for Alex cropley
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You have to feel for the Sun headline writer who came up with 'CARNAGE' for Saturday night's exuberance.
What's he supposed to come up with for the story of all those poor kids and the grandmother who died in car crashes over the weekend?
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Just seen the west brom bloke on Central news who commented that seeing villa fans invade the pitch was 'like a throwback to the 70's' and 'was always likely to kickoff'.
Oh, and he wasn't actually at the match.
Twat!
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Just occurred to me "it's like going back to the 80s all over again" has a different meaning for Villa fans doesn't it?
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Like!
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It was in every way a momentous game. When it was over my younger son turned to me and said. "Let's go on the pitch. Thirty years I have been coming here and I have never been on the pitch". I considered his position as a husband, a father, a multi millionaire television producer, a chairman of a board of school governors, a Labour councillor and an applicant for £10million of Department of Education money to save his local primary school and replied "okay". It was that kind of day. The only blemish on this piece of family history was that while he hurdled the perimeter wall, I fell arse over tip and had to be helped to my feet by some of the multitude of "hooligans".
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Well it was like the 80s. Albion having their best side for a generation, thinking it's much better than the Villa side, and then watching as Villa actually achieve things while they win fuck all.
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Like again! And Brian's!
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It was in every way a momentous game. When it was over my younger son turned to me and said. "Let's go on the pitch. Thirty years I have been coming here and I have never been on the pitch". I considered his position as a husband, a father, a multi millionaire television producer, a chairman of a board of school governors, a Labour councillor and an applicant for £10million of Department of Education money to save his local primary school and replied "okay".
You could have just said that you and your son went on the pitch.
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I love this thread is nearly 60 pages a record ? So nice to feel that excitement and passion come back after the last few years, lots of smiling Villains at work today - and a couple of shell shocked Baggies ha ha
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I am guessing that was part tongue in cheek at the row between Damon and Hilts, part Brian and his ability to tell a good story, and part poke in the eye for the media hamming up the story of the animals that took to the pitch.
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It was in every way a momentous game. When it was over my younger son turned to me and said. "Let's go on the pitch. Thirty years I have been coming here and I have never been on the pitch". I considered his position as a husband, a father, a multi millionaire television producer, a chairman of a board of school governors, a Labour councillor and an applicant for £10million of Department of Education money to save his local primary school and replied "okay".
You could have just said that you and your son went on the pitch.
Everyone could just post 'It was a good game, I enjoyed it' but it wouldn't be much fun.
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No Clampy, I wanted to make the very serious point that my son who is in every way a pillar of his community made the positive decision to joint the celebrating fans on the pitch. If I had attempted to portray myself as some sort of role model, your snarl would have been justified, but I deliberately did not.
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It was a good game. I enjoyed it.
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I liked the game I thought we deserved to win I hope we win the semi final.
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It was in every way a momentous game. When it was over my younger son turned to me and said. "Let's go on the pitch. Thirty years I have been coming here and I have never been on the pitch". I considered his position as a husband, a father, a multi millionaire television producer, a chairman of a board of school governors, a Labour councillor and an applicant for £10million of Department of Education money to save his local primary school and replied "okay".
You could have just said that you and your son went on the pitch.
Brian summed it up perfectly.
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I noticed the ever so posh Rupert Bell on Talksport say he also ran on the pitch after the match.
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No Clampy, I wanted to make the very serious point that my son who is in every way a pillar of his community made the positive decision to joint the celebrating fans on the pitch. If I had attempted to portray myself as some sort of role model, your snarl would have been justified, but I deliberately did not.
Didn't realise you were rich. Lend us a fiver?
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No Clampy, I wanted to make the very serious point that my son who is in every way a pillar of his community made the positive decision to joint the celebrating fans on the pitch. If I had attempted to portray myself as some sort of role model, your snarl would have been justified, but I deliberately did not.
I point you in the direction of my post above...
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Still doesn't come close to Highbury, May 2 1981. That was a pitch invasion.
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All this media storm about the crowd. Pulis and his team will be delighted that there performances are escaping attention.
The most true thing said on here. Albion fans I know are saying the exact same thing. Awful manager = awful anti football
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Damon's name has cropped up and before I turn my back on this thread I should clarify that the son to whom I referred was not Damon.
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Sense at least from The Fiver:
Pitch invasions are bad. The Fiver knows pitch invasions are bad because it spent all day yesterday and much of today listening to various people pontificating in newspapers, on TV and on the radio getting their smalls in a righteously indignant twist over two separate pitch invasions at Villa Park on Saturday evening, when some happy booze-fuelled numpties stormed the pitch to celebrate a goal and then victory for their team against local rivals West Brom. Happy football fans? We can’t be having that.
Rather than being a return to the bad old days of the 1970s and 1980s, as some more hysterical commentators have suggested, your glass half-full Fiver prefers to think of it as more of a reminder of the 1960s, a decade in which a similar pitch invasion perpetrated by similarly happy football fans at Wembley outraged public sensibilities to such an extent that it is to this day celebrated through its immortalisation in one of the most celebrated snippets of sports commentary ever heard. Happy football fans? Let’s put it on a 49-year loop.
OK, so pitch invasions aren’t ideal or indeed particularly rare (has a play-off semi-final second leg ever actually ended without one?), but compared to fans being hit by seats torn from the Villa Park away end or corner-takers being pelted by missiles flung by spectators, they’re little more than a minor inconvenience that can be fairly easily avoided. So that’s that sorted out, then – The Fiver has spoken so let’s move on. Pitch invasions are not that bad and certainly nowhere near as bad as Arsenal’s recent record against Manchester United or The Fiver’s shameless segue from one FA Cup-related topic to another in the space of a solitary sentence at the end of this paragraph.
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I liked the game it was good.
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Damon's name has cropped up and before I turn my back on this thread I should clarify that the son to whom I referred was not Damon.
Was it the one who was ashamed to be a Villa fan a couple of weeks ago?
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Sense at least from The Fiver:
Pitch invasions are bad. The Fiver knows pitch invasions are bad because it spent all day yesterday and much of today listening to various people pontificating in newspapers, on TV and on the radio getting their smalls in a righteously indignant twist over two separate pitch invasions at Villa Park on Saturday evening, when some happy booze-fuelled numpties stormed the pitch to celebrate a goal and then victory for their team against local rivals West Brom. Happy football fans? We can’t be having that.
Rather than being a return to the bad old days of the 1970s and 1980s, as some more hysterical commentators have suggested, your glass half-full Fiver prefers to think of it as more of a reminder of the 1960s, a decade in which a similar pitch invasion perpetrated by similarly happy football fans at Wembley outraged public sensibilities to such an extent that it is to this day celebrated through its immortalisation in one of the most celebrated snippets of sports commentary ever heard. Happy football fans? Let’s put it on a 49-year loop.
OK, so pitch invasions aren’t ideal or indeed particularly rare (has a play-off semi-final second leg ever actually ended without one?), but compared to fans being hit by seats torn from the Villa Park away end or corner-takers being pelted by missiles flung by spectators, they’re little more than a minor inconvenience that can be fairly easily avoided. So that’s that sorted out, then – The Fiver has spoken so let’s move on. Pitch invasions are not that bad and certainly nowhere near as bad as Arsenal’s recent record against Manchester United or The Fiver’s shameless segue from one FA Cup-related topic to another in the space of a solitary sentence at the end of this paragraph.
Very good I enjoyed that.
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No
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I find it a disgrace. A bloody disgrace. How can we seriously expect this to continue? I pay my taxes, my electricity bills, and can afford life's little luxuries such as owning a laptop. Yet this site, this so-called top Villa fans forum, openly allows those on benefits to post amongst us. We should have been told beforehand.
SHOCKED AND SADDENED OF CROYDON.
I've just spat masticated Fruit and Nut all over my Gorilla Glass.
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Chris Brunt is facing an FA charge of abusing an official.
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This quote made me laugh from the man Utd red cafe site
'Did anyone see that clown in the brown jacket being held back after they restarted the game ?
I've never seen him before and know nothing about him, but I know, for a fact, they could remake a brummie shameless with him in the lead'
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Has anybody seen mr burns and tony pulis at the same time,
i have a theory.
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Monty Burns
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63757000/jpg/_63757295_lennielawrenceempics.jpg)
Former Charlton manager Lennie Lawrence
(http://sp7.fotolog.com/photo/23/7/51/twocents/1169780784_f.jpg)
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Chris Brunt is facing an FA charge of abusing an official.
It should be a charge of impersonating a professional footballer.
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I've been wondering about the possibility of Randy being there on Saturday. If he was, then he would have seen what a real Villa Park is like and I don't mean the storm in a teacup at the end. Passion, and lots of it which, if he decides to try his hand again with a little more investment he could be part of on a more regular basis.
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Monty Burns
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63757000/jpg/_63757295_lennielawrenceempics.jpg)
Former Charlton manager Lennie Lawrence
(http://sp7.fotolog.com/photo/23/7/51/twocents/1169780784_f.jpg)
ok ok has anyone seen Mr burns, tony pulis or lenny lawrence in the same photo???
:)
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Wow 60 pages for a post match thread looks like I missed a classic. Just my luck after suffering from lambertitus all season I miss out on two rounds of cure therapy!
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Damon's name has cropped up and before I turn my back on this thread I should clarify that the son to whom I referred was not Damon.
Never noticed you went on the pitch Brian, what a night, I reminded my Dad he went on against Tranmere but he can't recall it.
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Wow 60 pages for a post match thread looks like I missed a classic. Just my luck after suffering from lambertitus all season I miss out on two rounds of cure therapy!
It was only the cup. It's not important.
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Wow 60 pages for a post match thread looks like I missed a classic. Just my luck after suffering from lambertitus all season I miss out on two rounds of cure therapy!
It was only the cup. It's not important.
To be fair if Lawrenson and Pearce weren't a pair of fannies it'd be about 30-35 pages.
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I'm only on Page 19. Check your settings out.
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It was in every way a momentous game. When it was over my younger son turned to me and said. "Let's go on the pitch. Thirty years I have been coming here and I have never been on the pitch". I considered his position as a husband, a father, a multi millionaire television producer, a chairman of a board of school governors, a Labour councillor and an applicant for £10million of Department of Education money to save his local primary school and replied "okay". It was that kind of day. The only blemish on this piece of family history was that while he hurdled the perimeter wall, I fell arse over tip and had to be helped to my feet by some of the multitude of "hooligans".
Football thugs today? Pah, sounds like you should be watching that proper gentlemans game Ruga.
I dunno what's the world coming too?
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It was in every way a momentous game. When it was over my younger son turned to me and said. "Let's go on the pitch. Thirty years I have been coming here and I have never been on the pitch". I considered his position as a husband, a father, a multi millionaire television producer, a chairman of a board of school governors, a Labour councillor and an applicant for £10million of Department of Education money to save his local primary school and replied "okay". It was that kind of day. The only blemish on this piece of family history was that while he hurdled the perimeter wall, I fell arse over tip and had to be helped to my feet by some of the multitude of "hooligans".
Brian, you sound like my father in 75, last game at home against Sunderland. I had to drag him over the small fence to celebrate our promotion and despite his enjoyment, I still felt whilst carrying a square foot of turf, he felt it was wrong.
Last night we spoken 2000 miles apart and it was the first thing he mentioned. There's been a lot of built up tension which I'm sure you're well aware of. It never used to be this way but I see it more as a cleansing. Now we can move on and really celebrate the true essence of what it is to be a Villa supporter.
The youngsters may not know any different, it's not their fault, maybe it's ours for giving them so much hope. Saying that, and there's plenty of time to discuss the sex of the angels but bloody hell, how did we allow it to get so bad? Right now, we're back with the rare ingredient that I've seen so many are jealous of, Man City and their billions included, raw passion.
Fuck the BBC and all their sterilised wankers, we know what we are and we're bloody proud of it.
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http://www.myoldmansaid.com/villa-park-pitch-invasion-celebration-wrongly-scandalised/
A great read
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http://www.myoldmansaid.com/villa-park-pitch-invasion-celebration-wrongly-scandalised/
A great read
I am not usually a fan of MOMS but that is really good. Very well written indeed.
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He has seriously worked through all of it very systematically, and the club could do worse than use use most of this in their defence!
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http://www.myoldmansaid.com/villa-park-pitch-invasion-celebration-wrongly-scandalised/
A great read
Someone commenting on that article has posted up brief Instagram footage, which shows two Albion players clearly going out of their way to have a physical go (albeit in a snidey sort of way) at fans who were clearly not intent on confrontation.
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http://www.myoldmansaid.com/villa-park-pitch-invasion-celebration-wrongly-scandalised/
A great read
Someone commenting on that article has posted up brief Instagram footage, which shows two Albion players clearly going out of their way to have a physical go (albeit in a snidey sort of way) at fans who were clearly not intent on confrontation.
Yep, Morrisson and Mcmanaman, pair of c*nts
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Watch the Albion player on the left. Can't work out who it is. I know another trips someone up but the bloke on the left is very confrontational.
https://instagram.com/p/z8N904x4vC/
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McManaman looks like he's disappointed he can't get into a proper scrap with anyone.
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http://www.myoldmansaid.com/villa-park-pitch-invasion-celebration-wrongly-scandalised/
A great read
Someone commenting on that article has posted up brief Instagram footage, which shows two Albion players clearly going out of their way to have a physical go (albeit in a snidey sort of way) at fans who were clearly not intent on confrontation.
Yes, saw that. It will be interesting to see if it goes any further re: disciplinary measures.
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Good write up.
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Watch the Albion player on the left. Can't work out who it is. I know another trips someone up but the the bloke on the left is very confrontational.
https://instagram.com/p/z8N904x4vC/
Wearing no 19 so I think that's McManaman.
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No wonder I didn't recognise him. I wouldn't have a clue what that no mark looks like.
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Watch the Albion player on the left. Can't work out who it is. I know another trips someone up but the bloke on the left is very confrontational.
https://instagram.com/p/z8N904x4vC/
If that would have been a fan to the player (McManaman) the press and OB would be all over it, and he'd be charged by now. Wasn't McManaman complaining that somebody kicked or pushed him or something?
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So one trips someone up before running off the pitch. Another tries to boot someone before body checking someone else and, still, it is us celebrating on the pitch that are akin to the Dublin riot in 1995? On a day that Wolves kicked a Watford fan into a coma? Fuck me.
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I had to look it up from the match reports.
Given the impact he had on the game, they'd have been better off getting Steve McManaman out of retirement.
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Watch the Albion player on the left. Can't work out who it is. I know another trips someone up but the bloke on the left is very confrontational.
https://instagram.com/p/z8N904x4vC/
If that would have been a fan to the player (McManaman) the press and OB would be all over it, and he'd be charged by now. Wasn't McManaman complaining that somebody kicked or pushed him or something?
It was either him or Morrison.
Odious toads the pair of them.
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Watch carefully for the young lad wearing the blue fleecey top. One Albion player deliberately trips him up as he's run past, and then as the lad has just got back on his feet another Albion player comes from the side and tries to body check him back to the ground.
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Watch the Albion player on the left. Can't work out who it is. I know another trips someone up but the bloke on the left is very confrontational.
https://instagram.com/p/z8N904x4vC/
If that would have been a fan to the player (McManaman) the press and OB would be all over it, and he'd be charged by now. Wasn't McManaman complaining that somebody kicked or pushed him or something?
It was either him or Morrison.
Odious toads the pair of them.
Morrison's the one on the right who trips up the kid running past him.
To be honest, I don't really blame them too much for what they did. We know that everyone was running onto the pitch to do nothing more than celebrate, but if you're a West Brom player and you're watching hundreds of pissed-up Villa fans seemingly running straight towards you, you're bound to be a bit on edge and have your hackles raised.
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Watch the Albion player on the left. Can't work out who it is. I know another trips someone up but the bloke on the left is very confrontational.
https://instagram.com/p/z8N904x4vC/
If that would have been a fan to the player (McManaman) the press and OB would be all over it, and he'd be charged by now. Wasn't McManaman complaining that somebody kicked or pushed him or something?
It was either him or Morrison.
Odious toads the pair of them.
Morrison's the one on the right who trips up the kid running past him.
To be honest, I don't really blame them too much for what they did. We know that everyone was running onto the pitch to do nothing more than celebrate, but if you're a West Brom player and you're watching hundreds of pissed-up Villa fans seemingly running straight towards you, you're bound to be a bit on edge and have your hackles raised.
Yes. If I was on edge because hundreds of pissed-up Small Heath fans were seemingly running towards me, I'd start tripping them up and body-checking them. It's the sensible thing to do.
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Watch the Albion player on the left. Can't work out who it is. I know another trips someone up but the bloke on the left is very confrontational.
https://instagram.com/p/z8N904x4vC/
If that would have been a fan to the player (McManaman) the press and OB would be all over it, and he'd be charged by now. Wasn't McManaman complaining that somebody kicked or pushed him or something?
It was either him or Morrison.
Odious toads the pair of them.
Morrison's the one on the right who trips up the kid running past him.
To be honest, I don't really blame them too much for what they did. We know that everyone was running onto the pitch to do nothing more than celebrate, but if you're a West Brom player and you're watching hundreds of pissed-up Villa fans seemingly running straight towards you, you're bound to be a bit on edge and have your hackles raised.
Yes. If I was on edge because hundreds of pissed-up Small Heath fans were seemingly running towards me, I'd start tripping them up and body-checking them. It's the sensible thing to do.
My thought, exactly. It strikes me as the absolute last thing I'd be doing.
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If they were bright they wouldn't be paying for that shower.
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The trip was quite funny I must admit. But the deliberate body checking was the actions of a prick. And just omagine what would have happened if someone had landed one on him, which he fully deserved.
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If they were bright they wouldn't be paying for that shower.
But then they'd smell.
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Watch the Albion player on the left. Can't work out who it is. I know another trips someone up but the bloke on the left is very confrontational.
https://instagram.com/p/z8N904x4vC/
If that would have been a fan to the player (McManaman) the press and OB would be all over it, and he'd be charged by now. Wasn't McManaman complaining that somebody kicked or pushed him or something?
In an earlier post I mentioned that a Sunday rag ran a sub-heading "MacManaman struck by Villa fan" then in the body of the report Pulis says none of his players were struck.
In that little vid MacManaman and Morrison both go out of their way to have a go at Villa fans running on the pitch...and the fans do not react aggressively. Says a lot does that!
I hope that's picked up by the FA as well as the terrible fact that hundreds of Villa ran on to the pitch causing no harm at all and celebrating a win in the FA's very own cup competition!
Just read McNulty's article...mountains/molehills.
What a twat!
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If they were bright they wouldn't be paying for that shower.
But then they'd smell.
Damn predictive keyboard!
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I realise we are a big club and Warrington are very small but compare and contrast the coverage of our match with this:-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2825926/Warrington-Town-1-0-Exeter-Craig-Robinson-s-half-header-sees-Wire-cause-FA-Cup-round-shock.html
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I realise we are a big club and Warrington are very small but compare and contrast the coverage of our match with this:-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2825926/Warrington-Town-1-0-Exeter-Craig-Robinson-s-half-header-sees-Wire-cause-FA-Cup-round-shock.html
One of the match photos contains this heading:
"Warrington fans burst on to the pitch in heartwarming scenes at the end of match on Friday night"
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The trip was quite funny I must admit. But the deliberate body checking was the actions of a prick. And just omagine what would have happened if someone had landed one on him, which he fully deserved.
And almost certainly what he wanted.
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Why has he stopped leaving the pitch to start trying to fight with any fan that runs past?!
That video should be sent to the FA.
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Maybe Sherwood should take this approach to pitch invaders.
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If I hear crowd trouble again.
The crowd trouble came from the away fans throwing seats.
ffs
And a few of ours chucking stuff from the Lower North into the Witton Lane.
Had a chat with one of their lot this morning, he's a long time season ticket holder and a pretty level headed type of bloke so not one to get carried away, and he said there was a fair bit of stuff being thrown at them from the Lower North. The press has blown the pitch invasion out of all proportion but let us not pretend that we don't have our own share of dickheads.
We've had evidence in abundance as to what has already happened. Does he, or anyone, have one shred of evidence to abck his assertion up? Sorry, i know its your mate Chris.
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Daily Heil (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2987347/Footage-pitch-invasion-Aston-Villa-win-West-Bromwich-Albion-shows-James-Morrison-appear-trip-supporter-Callum-McManaman-shove-fan.html)
Footage of pitch invasion at Aston Villa win over West Bromwich Albion shows James Morrison appear to trip up a supporter while Callum McManaman seems to shove fan
Thousands of Aston Villa fans staged a pitch invasion after FA Cup win
Some players reported that they were attacked during the scenes
Video seems to show two West Brom players involved in altercations
Police have charged three men with offences from the game
By Oliver Todd for MailOnline
New footage of the shameful scenes during the pitch invasion at Villa Park on Saturday appears to show two West Bromwich Albion involved in clashes with supporters entering the pitch.
Villa face a major FA inquiry, a substantial fine and the threat of a ground closure after players looked to have been assaulted as the FA Cup quarter-final at Villa Park descended into chaos with an unrestrained pitch invasion joined by thousands of Villa fans.
Scorer Fabian Delph claimed he was bitten, while Boaz Myhill, Craig Dawson, James Morrison and Callum McManaman all appeared to be barged aggressively - and the new footage shows the latter two in altercations with the on-rushing fans.
The Instagram clip shows fans running on to the pitch, with Morrison seeming to stick his leg out to trip once, while McManaman looks to barge into others.
Three men have been charged by police with offences connected to the match after officers made a total of 17 arrests inside and outside Villa Park.
More footage discovered on Monday appeared to show West Brom fans setting off fire extinguishers and throwing bins in the away end at Villa Park.
The Black Country club are working with police to identify supporters seen in the video.
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Indie (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/fa-league-cups/we-told-you-says-police-chief-after-aston-villa-crowd-trouble-10097015.html)
We told you, says police chief after Aston Villa crowd trouble
Ian Herbert Monday 09 March 2015
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English football’s top police officer has said that the ugly scenes which marred Saturday’s FA Cup quarter-final between Aston Villa and West Bromwich Albion were drink-related and prove why forces want a right of veto over televised weekend night matches.
The Independent revealed last week that senior police officers were dismayed to discover that an additional 10 Friday evening matches had been added to schedules under the new £5.1bn TV deal, without being given any advance notice by the Premier League. Police believe there is no recognition of the extra demands being placed on city centre police forces.
Mark Roberts, Cheshire Police assistant chief constable and Association of Chief Police Officers football lead, has told this newspaper that Saturday’s disorder, which included Fabian Delph being bitten by a fan and seats being thrown from a stand by Albion fans, stemmed from the late kick-off, making alcohol the cause of the problem.
Roberts said that a number of early evening derbies is becoming a trend, though the Premier League has indicated that it does not expect the Friday night games from 2016-17 to be top-pick fixtures. “If you look at the quarter-final fixtures, [the BBC] could not have picked a worse one for the 5.30pm kick-off,” he said. “If you look at the pattern of which Saturday evening games have been scheduled, they were initially not contentious fixtures. But they are becoming increasingly so.
“This was an FA Cup tie but it demonstrates why we just want that dialogue with the Premier League. We don’t want to stop Friday and Saturday night football but we are looking for a mechanism where police can say a game is high risk and consideration can be given to when it is played.”
A number of fans were arrested for drunk and disorderly behaviour and three men were charged by police last night with offences connected to the match.
Local police leaders say that it would have been impossible for the West Midlands force to have prevented fans spilling onto the pitch because clubs do not wish to pay for police officers to circle the pitch, wanting to use their stewards, at far lower cost, instead.
“Police forces are paid for officers deployed in the footprint of the stadium but we can only allocate officers where they [clubs] say they want them,” Roberts said. “These are not high-risk clubs. They would not usually give us trouble. But with this sort of fixture, late on a weekend, there will be drinking. There is bound to be a highly charged situation when people have six hours’ more drinking time and it is a derby game.”
Villa issued a statement yesterday, which read: “Aston Villa, West Bromwich Albion and West Midlands Police are all working together to investigate events which took place both during and after Saturday’s FA Cup match. The club will also cooperate fully with the Football Association.”
The FA said it had contacted both clubs, described the trouble as “disturbing” and said offenders will face “appropriate punishment”.
West Bromwich midfielder Chris Brunt was yesterday charged by the FA with verbally abusing match officials after the game.
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I have seen a couple of reports that McManaman was giving as good as he got before Dawson hoiked him off. I was disappointed that Pulis was very quick to point the blame finger at Villa without condemning his own fans for chucking seats.
Also, is the stewarding and policing of a game like this not a joint effort, with WM police and some of the stewards from Albion in use too?
Just watched the end in glorious HD and as the fans ran on McManaman actually looks
like he jumps on purpose into the path of a fan running on, he actually switched his feet to try and trip the fan up. The fan swerves to miss him and just carries on running.
If you can check it out yourself, he's the player nearest the far post when the whistle sounds. Looks like he instigated something maybe out of frustration but to be fair to the fan he just kept running to celebrate with a Villa player.
I noticed this a few days ago, it's clear as daylight and I'm surprised it wasn't picked up at the time.
Especially as McMannaman was the one complaining about being jostled.
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Amazing that he was the one reporting to have been slapped. Lucky he wasn't full on battered the way he was carrying on.
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Amazing that he was the one reporting to have been slapped. Lucky he wasn't full on battered the way he was carrying on.
He's obviously been misquoted.
What he actually said was "I deserve a good slap"
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Watch the Albion player on the left. Can't work out who it is. I know another trips someone up but the bloke on the left is very confrontational.
https://instagram.com/p/z8N904x4vC/
If that would have been a fan to the player (McManaman) the press and OB would be all over it, and he'd be charged by now. Wasn't McManaman complaining that somebody kicked or pushed him or something?
In an earlier post I mentioned that a Sunday rag ran a sub-heading "MacManaman struck by Villa fan" then in the body of the report Pulis says none of his players were struck.
In that little vid MacManaman and Morrison both go out of their way to have a go at Villa fans running on the pitch...and the fans do not react aggressively. Says a lot does that!
I hope that's picked up by the FA as well as the terrible fact that hundreds of Villa ran on to the pitch causing no harm at all and celebrating a win in the FA's very own cup competition!
Just read McNulty's article...mountains/molehills.
What a twat!
And for once the article is blocked for comment, unlike his usual blogs.
Maybe he knows what he is.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/video-watch-west-broms-james-8806967
Watch this clip where you can clearly see McManaman deliberately barge into 3 separate people and Morrison deliberately trips one fan over.
Surely one of them was a penalty!
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Maybe Sherwood should take this approach to pitch invaders.
He was utterly nuts and entertaining in equal measure.
I did think of this when the idiots ran on the pitch before the final whistle.
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/video-watch-west-broms-james-8806967
Watch this clip where you can clearly see McManaman deliberately barge into 3 separate people and Morrison deliberately trips one fan over.
Surely one of them was a penalty!
for sure the linesman was in no position to give it as other clips have shown
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/video-watch-west-broms-james-8806967
Watch this clip where you can clearly see McManaman deliberately barge into 3 separate people and Morrison deliberately trips one fan over.
Surely one of them was a penalty!
for sure the linesman was in no position to give it as other clips have shown
The linesman was already in his car
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http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/video-watch-west-broms-james-8806967
Watch this clip where you can clearly see McManaman deliberately barge into 3 separate people and Morrison deliberately trips one fan over.
Surely one of them was a penalty!
for sure the linesman was in no position to give it as other clips have shown
The linesman was already in his car
He'd given it legs and he wasn't stopping to breathe.
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Is this the longest post match thread in history?
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Think what really upset albion Saturday was the fact that it was quite clearly demonstrated to them that we have always been and always will be the biggest club in the Midlands. ..albion..well they are a team that have had a bit more success than Walsall..
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Has the orbit of the earth realigned yet?
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Has the orbit of the earth realigned yet?
No! I believe Legion is in charge of that!
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Has the orbit of the earth realigned yet?
No! I believe Legion is in charge of that!
Oh god.
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Has the orbit of the earth realigned yet?
No! I believe Legion is in charge of that!
Oh god.
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Has the orbit of the earth realigned yet?
No! I believe Legion is in charge of that!
Oh god.
YOU LET DOUGAL DO A FUNERAL?
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Has the orbit of the earth realigned yet?
No! I believe Legion is in charge of that!
Oh god.
Yes that, and every other doomsday scenario!
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https://www.the-newshub.com/football/the-villa-park-pitch-invasion-this-weeks-big-football-outrage
Another positive article.
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http://sabotagetimes.com/reportage/stop-the-sanctimonious-bleating-aston-villa-pitch-invasion-was-a-celebration/
And another!
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I've had a haircut today as I was beginning to look a bit like Lawro in stylee!
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Nice to see a youthful Stretch Armstrong in claret and blue.
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I'm not getting that Instagram video of the Morrison tripping the fan, has it been taken down?
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Nice to see a youthful Stretch Armstrong in claret and blue.
I was thinking that too. Is it some kind of camera trick? Those arms belong to someone at least twice his age!
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All hail The Gibbon Boy
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Had that lad been left hanging from the crossbar?
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Thats got to have been doctored, huge hands as well. A keeper in the making.
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Sign him up!
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He could scratch his ankles without bending over the child that is. Lawrenson is just a sarcastic knob.
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I'm not getting that Instagram video of the Morrison tripping the fan, has it been taken down?
It's gone from the Meaning Evil, but still here
http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/10/west-brom-star-james-morrison-brutally-trips-pitch-invading-aston-villa-fan-while-callum-mcmanaman-also-gets-in-on-the-act-5096784/
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Thanks for that cdward. looking at it from that angle; anyone can see that the supporters are in the main all heading towards the Holte with little or no threat to any Albion player.
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All hail The Gibbon Boy
Olof's Beard?
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It was in every way a momentous game. When it was over my younger son turned to me and said. "Let's go on the pitch. Thirty years I have been coming here and I have never been on the pitch". I considered his position as a husband, a father, a multi millionaire television producer, a chairman of a board of school governors, a Labour councillor and an applicant for £10million of Department of Education money to save his local primary school and replied "okay". It was that kind of day. The only blemish on this piece of family history was that while he hurdled the perimeter wall, I fell arse over tip and had to be helped to my feet by some of the multitude of "hooligans".
She fell ov-ah
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I'm not getting that Instagram video of the Morrison tripping the fan, has it been taken down?
It's gone from the Meaning Evil, but still here
http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/10/west-brom-star-james-morrison-brutally-trips-pitch-invading-aston-villa-fan-while-callum-mcmanaman-also-gets-in-on-the-act-5096784/
Good headline.
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I'm not getting that Instagram video of the Morrison tripping the fan, has it been taken down?
It's gone from the Meaning Evil, but still here
http://metro.co.uk/2015/03/10/west-brom-star-james-morrison-brutally-trips-pitch-invading-aston-villa-fan-while-callum-mcmanaman-also-gets-in-on-the-act-5096784/
Good headline.
I misread it at a glance, and thought the headline was from the Evening Mail, which genuinely made me look again because had it been the Mail, it would have read "Villa fan brutally attacks innocent players foot"
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Nice to see a youthful Stretch Armstrong in claret and blue.
I was thinking that too. Is it some kind of camera trick? Those arms belong to someone at least twice his age!
It's known as 'Converging verticals'
It's like taking a photo of tall buildings, but in reverse. Looking down at the subject rather than up
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It's definitely down rather than up with Lawrenson!
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(http://i59.tinypic.com/2l8j5w8.jpg)
Nice to see a youthful Stretch Armstrong in claret and blue.
I was thinking that too. Is it some kind of camera trick? Those arms belong to someone at least twice his age!
It's known as 'Converging verticals'
It's like taking a photo of tall buildings, but in reverse. Looking down at the subject rather than up
Yep, could be the converging verticals. Or he might have hands like shovels and the arms of Mr Tickle.
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Like a birth in reverse
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(http://i59.tinypic.com/2l8j5w8.jpg)
Nice to see a youthful Stretch Armstrong in claret and blue.
I was thinking that too. Is it some kind of camera trick? Those arms belong to someone at least twice his age!
It's known as 'Converging verticals'
It's like taking a photo of tall buildings, but in reverse. Looking down at the subject rather than up
Yep, could be the converging verticals. Or he might have hands like shovels and the arms of Mr Tickle.
Lol, I'm actually giggling to myself thinking of a child walking the streets looking like that ;D
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(http://i59.tinypic.com/2l8j5w8.jpg)
Nice to see a youthful Stretch Armstrong in claret and blue.
I was thinking that too. Is it some kind of camera trick? Those arms belong to someone at least twice his age!
It's known as 'Converging verticals'
It's like taking a photo of tall buildings, but in reverse. Looking down at the subject rather than up
Yep, could be the converging verticals. Or he might have hands like shovels and the arms of Mr Tickle.
Lol, I'm actually giggling to myself thinking of a child walking the streets looking like that ;D
I read it as converging tentacle.
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A fairly rational one of that lot writes.
http://thebirminghampress.com/2015/03/hawthorns-halt-2/
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A fairly rational one of that lot writes.
http://thebirminghampress.com/2015/03/hawthorns-halt-2/
The Cup game was far closer than the League game, they were fortunate to still be in it going into the last minute. And Lescott's miss was worse than Brown's.
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Nice to see a youthful Stretch Armstrong in claret and blue.
I was thinking that too. Is it some kind of camera trick? Those arms belong to someone at least twice his age!
That long-armed kid reminds me of the fantastic tribute that Southampton erected in memory of Ted Bates
can someone help me put a photo up
(http://www.offbeat.group.shef.ac.uk/statues/images/uk/Bates_Ted_1B.jpg)
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(http://i59.tinypic.com/2l8j5w8.jpg)
Nice to see a youthful Stretch Armstrong in claret and blue.
I was thinking that too. Is it some kind of camera trick? Those arms belong to someone at least twice his age!
That long-armed kid reminds me of the fantastic tribute that Southampton erected in memory of Ted Bates
can someone help me put a photo up
(http://www.offbeat.group.shef.ac.uk/statues/images/uk/Bates_Ted_1B.jpg)
That is a brilliant statue. Very much like Liberace with dwarfism.
I see your Ted Bates and raise you a Jacko.
(http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/michael-jackson-statues-strange-ones/michael-jackson-statue-1.jpg)