Aston Villa 2-0 Albion FA Cup Qtr Final post match thread

[JUAN PABLO]

Every play off semi and final ends with fans on pitch

Its no big deal

[Gregorys Boy]

Speaking of this week I would say Sherwood has done a far better job with the players he has than Pulis has. And we are missing a number of players that might have helped, including our main forward and captain. I would say Sherwood has squeezed more out of a group of players than Pulis has over a greater length of time. The football is also much better to watch.

Well besides two moments on Tuesday night Benteke has done nothing for the last couple of months anyway so had a feeling than we could maybe live without him.  Brilliant! So you think that over the last week Sherwood has achieved more than Pulis in his whole managerial career? That is the very nature of getting carried away.

Another thing about Sherwood is that I over heard a Villa fan yesterday saying how smug he comes across.  And I think there is something to that, it seemed to be the case at Spurs too.  It is easy to be that way when you are winning lets see him if things go the other way.

[Walmley_Villa]

Pulis played 4 centre halves at the back obviously thinking Benteke was playing. This played into our hands and second half we went for their fullbacks. We also stopped Berahino from causing any damage last night.

So glad we paid the ransom for to IS to get the real CNZ back.....

Also, Ciaran Clark you can be a legend for us and I thought Bacuna was outstanding second half, he cleared everything they threw at him.

[CJ]

FA are launching an investigation into the crowd issues tomorrow. I think if it was just the post-match pitch invasion we'd get landed with a hefty fine for endangering the safety of the players (as well as the safety of the fastest linesman in the West). I think the invasions before the game ended could have more serious repercussions - we won't be kicked out of the competition or anything but I could see us having to play our next home cup game behind closed doors. As for the Olbiun fans - we should reduce their allocation for any future games and not position them where they can hurl seats down on other supporters.

[Chico Hamilton III]

 Stoke  were one of the highest spenders in the league when Pulis was in charge, he wasn't managing them on a shoestring budget. He had the choice and he chose the style of play that we associate him with. It wasn't a case of him having to make do with the players he had, he actively sought those players. We dodged a bullet when Albion signed him. And I'll bet he was secretly glad of yesterday's pitch invasion because it gave him the chance to talk about something other than the fucking awful football he insists on playing.

[Gregorys Boy]

I'd have taken Pulis over Lambert. But i'd also have taken a dead squirrel over Lambert. And the day Pulis became Villa manager a part of me would died. The baseball cap wearing twat nozzle.

Okay, but just answer my points though as no one seems to be doing that?  Why?  Is it the style of play?  Is it that you think he comes off as smug?  I don't want to knock Sherwood as I think he deserves a chance to prove himself and of course he's had a pretty good start lol. But regardless of styles of play Pulis with the squad we have would have kept us up easy and I'd bet on him to move us forward next season with a bit of money to spend that is.  Sherwood still has that to prove IMO.

Just because you think Pulis would do well doesn't make it something you can pass of as fact and dismiss people who disagree.

Over 180 minutes this last few days it was the side playing the football that won.

No, that is fair, didn't mean to pass it off as fact.  But then some people are not addressing my points either.  As far as I can tell they are knocking Pulis based on his style of football, some annoying personality traits and the fact that he manages our local rivals.  If the WBA fans are really knocking him then they need their heads checking.

Of the three things you mentioned there, I only knocked him for his style of football. Even if he looks a complete tool in a cap, or that he manages them is immaterial. My point very simply is he is what it says on the tin. Once you have bought into Pulis, you get survival at a huge cost. It is Stoke City who mug, cheat and claw their way to a safe lower mid table stop year after year. Short term we would have been safe, and once that has sunk in you are left with the future under him.

Like I said, if that is a price you'd have paid for safety, then great. Not for me, and I would much rather take a risk on Sherwood than Pulis. And I even go so far as to argue given how we have played this week, that given an extra couple of months under Sherwood we'd be much safer by now also.

Fair enough.  I just think you are getting far too carried away because of a couple of good results.  Pulis did a far better job than you are giving him credit for at Stoke and did an excellent job in no time at all at Palace last season.  Whose to say that if he was Villa manager and had money to spend then he couldn't improve us greatly?  He has never really had the chance to do that at a big club as of yet.

How on earth am I getting carried away over two results? It has nothing to do with this week. It is years of evidence about Pulis as a manager. Pulis had plenty of financial support at Stoke and he created what we all saw. More money at Villa which I doubt he'd even get would get the same "style" of player that serves how he likes to play. Do you honestly think after all these years of playing a certain way, that more money would change him from a style that he is very comfortable with?

I just meant you seemed to be getting carried away by suggesting that Sherwood is a better appointment than Pulis would have been based on a couple of results.  Sometimes it is down to what you have to work with if he had a better standard of players at Villa then its possible he would have us playing better football.  Don't forget Big Sam has been labelled a long ball specialist for years, but look at what he has done at West Ham this season.

Yeah he's done that well he won't be there next season

Not to turn this into the Big Sam thread, but what is your point?  Yeah he may not be there next season, but that is no reflection on the job he has done, more it is down to the owners or the fact that he may want a new a challenge.

[Gregorys Boy]

Pulis played 4 centre halves at the back obviously thinking Benteke was playing. This played into our hands and second half we went for their fullbacks. We also stopped Berahino from causing any damage last night.

So glad we paid the ransom for to IS to get the real CNZ back.....

Also, Ciaran Clark you can be a legend for us and I thought Bacuna was outstanding second half, he cleared everything they threw at him.

Yeah Bacuna's work rate was great yesterday.  He is good both going forward and working back.  Hope he gets more starts before the end of the season.  Clark is another one I have always quite liked and he seems to be in pretty strong form at the moment.

[Legion]

[john e]

The thing with our local derbies against the baggies and the blues is they are attended by local people I would say 95% from the west midland area, and the national media just don't get this fact

You can't compare that with a 'super Sunday' match between Man Utd v Liverpool where the fans are traveling in from Cheltenham and Guildford, having no real local knowledge only that of supporting their franchise team of choice

I remember the 03-03 game v Blues, it took the media by surprise, they had not seen anything like it, the atmosphere the physical brutality on and of the pitch,
same last night, it's the oldest derby in the world, it's not a convention for shrinking violets, it's all out there, in your face, it's going to be even more edgy when it's a quarter final

There was a lot of regrettable things happened last night, but the bottom line is it's a blood and guts local derby, the likes of the national media and TV people don't understand because it just doesn't take place al that often

If Southampton played Portsmouth or Sheffield Wed v Sheffield Utd in such an important game you would get the same sort of behaviour, your never going to put a lid on it

[Legion]

Lovely, cuddly Albion in action: https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10206021979056905&fref=nf

[john2710]

Regarding the pitch invasions, I've never been tempted, in 40 years, to go onto the pitch. Over that time there have been many, many more memorable occaisions than last night. Those during the game are inexcusable, those after are understandable, but neither is acceptable.

The problem with going onto the pitch, no matter how friendly or well intentioned it is, is the very real risk that goading the WBA fans leads to a situation where it escalates into a riot. Fortunately, last night it didn't but the risk that it could have is there. Additionally, there's a risk that some idiot, attacks an opposing player.

When our neighbours have behaved in a similar manner everyone has, quite rightly, condemned it.

At the end of the game I would have liked the opportunity to have celebrated the win with the players, we didn't get that opportunity because a few people couldn't restrain themselves.

[Toronto Villa]

Speaking of this week I would say Sherwood has done a far better job with the players he has than Pulis has. And we are missing a number of players that might have helped, including our main forward and captain. I would say Sherwood has squeezed more out of a group of players than Pulis has over a greater length of time. The football is also much better to watch.

Well besides two moments on Tuesday night Benteke has done nothing for the last couple of months anyway so had a feeling than we could maybe live without him.  Brilliant! So you think that over the last week Sherwood has achieved more than Pulis in his whole managerial career? That is the very nature of getting carried away.

Another thing about Sherwood is that I over heard a Villa fan yesterday saying how smug he comes across.  And I think there is something to that, it seemed to be the case at Spurs too.  It is easy to be that way when you are winning lets see him if things go the other way.

again, what on earth are you talking about? Where have I compared Sherwood this week to Pulis over his career? I said he's got more out of his team this week than Pulis, who has had a longer time to get used to being the manager of Albion. That's just a fact. Talk about getting carried away.

And why are you bringing up Sherwood's personality or demeanour? What has that got to do with how well he's done? This isn't about Sherwood. This is all about the merits of Pulis and you are the only person on here, a day after we knock them out of the cup, and in a week we beat them twice shouting as loudly as possible about how ace he'd have been as Villa manager. Frankly I don't get it at all. What a bizarre position to have taken today of all days.

[IAmTheOneIanOlney]

First half yesterday, I thought was pure Lambert - flat midfield three going nowhere because it's so easy to set up against and contain. Saw Westwood urging Cleverley to get ahead of the ball at one point, presumably because that's what Sherwood had actually asked for.
But second half, when we opened up a bit and pushed men forwards, we looked a real threat and that is very encouraging. I think we have the attacking players to cause teams around us big problems.

As for the pitch invasion, I wasn't there, so couldn't comment with any authority. It looked a bit daft on the TV, but the reaction of the commentary team was over the top. They did tone it down eventually when the pictures showed a lot of young kids taking selfies and enjoying themselves.

[Gregorys Boy]

Just to add to this fans/media debate.  I can hear my landlord and his daughter right now watching the game and just also overacting to what went on.

At one point my landlord said "They should be kicked out or at least made to replay the game" this is of course complete rubbish as you cannot blame the fans who did behave themselves and the players who had nothing to do with the fans reaction.  Their overraction is further proof of how powerful the media can be.

[devilla]

Got back a few hours ago after staying over in Bristol with my daughter on the way back. What a day. Probably the best game I've been to for passion and atmosphere. As for the pitch invasion I think before the end it was unforgiveable. At the end it was an outpouring of emotion after the dross of the last few years so perhaps it's understandable.

Delph was awesome and Sinclair looks like the Swansea version which is great for us. Thought we adapted really well to being without Benteke. Now lets take this form to the league games.

Watching the half time analysis, Shearer said there was no atmosphere.  What a plank. How the fuck could he tell cocooned in his plastic bubble. Get in the Holte Shearer. We'll show you what atmosphere is all about.

My daughter got on 606 as well!

Bring on the semi!