Aston Villa 2-0 Albion FA Cup Qtr Final post match thread

[brian green]

Regarding drinking I agree that there are unscrupulous and greedy people who will sell alcohol regardless of the time of day but that only draws into the equation the reality that Britain is awash with cheap alcohol and stuffed with those who want to make money out of selling it.   Go down to any town centre or any A and E on a Saturday night and see the price society is paying for the deregulation of the alcohol industry.   Like the deregulation of gambling it began with Blair and has become a massive problem in the contemporary have/have not society we live in today.   That is several other topics.

As for the righteous indignation and centre stage "look at me I am outraged" posture of the media and its commentators, we football fans must take the same sort of stand that gay, muslim, disabled, black, old, fat, catholic minorities have done to protect themselves against stereotypical prejudice.   An event like yesterday declares open season for the Lawrensons and Linekers of the world to build their careers to even greater undeserved heights by implying that people who go to football matches are somehow inferior and deeply flawed and should be subjected to constraints over and above the law of the land.   Every minority has the same problem, gay people are called qu**r, muslims are pa**s, disabled people are cripples and so on.   We football fans are portrayed as either active or latent hooligans.

The whole existences of people like Lawrenson revolve around the finding of ways to become "the voice of the people" "Mr Sensible" "someone who tells it how it is".   He/they are none of those things, they are careerists seeking to exploit a situation to their personal advantage by peddling prejudice.   On 606 last night Fletcher and Savage went into self righteous melt down when the tweet came through that Fabian Delph had been bitten by a fan.   When an actual interview with FD went out they were moderately sheepish but desperately wanted the credit for punchy as-it-happens broadcasting.   That was not what you did you pricks, you disseminated unconfirmed allegations that were untrue for purely personal attention.

If a fan tears out a seat and throws it down on the head of an old lady below the law of the land is in place to punish the lawbreaker, likewise the alleged danger to Albion players.   Apprehend the guilty and punish them.   That is the way society is built to work, not through kangaroo courts of Lawrenson, Lineker, Pulis, Savage, Fletcher and Uncle Tom Cobleigh.

When the crowd at Silverstone surged onto the track at the end of the British Grand Prix won by Nigel Mansell, a fan was actually run over by him.  The fan stated "I consider it a great honour to be run over by Nigel" and the whole thing passed off amicably.   Some of that sense of proportion has to be brought back into football.

[richard moore]

Oh and what about that Ronny Radford goal v arsenal which is fa cup golden heritage which yields a jubilant mass invasion.
Hypocrites.

Are you seriously comparing us to Hereford? (And wasn't it against Newcastle?)

I'm sure he only means its ok for the BBC to go all bleary eyed over the iconic moment of fans on the pitch but go way over the top on their reporting last night.
It was daft I agree charging on the pitch before the game had finished and if that didn't happen the other moments of fans on the pitch after the game and when Sinclair scored probably would not have been reported.

My main gripe is the BBC reporting on the way they did but it was them who dictated we play the Worlds oldest local derby on a Saturday evening. At one point the camera zoomed on this Villa fan probably in his 50's and he looked so pumped up and so charged up with booze, he looked like he was about to go mental. He had a real look of madness in his eyes.

There was a guy in a beige lightweight jacket over a white Villa shirt coming out the Holte who looked totally out of it. Completely glazed over and you could see he almost had no idea where he was or what he was doing

[Richard E]

One of their unwashed was bragging to his mates outside before the game in all seriousness about how he wanted to stab his Dad because he supports Wolves.

[CJ]

Meanwhile...away from all the talk about pitch invasions......a great new innovation in the build up to the players coming out of the tunnel - a magnificent picture of a proud lion on the big screens with background music from, unless I'm sadly mistaken, the opening bars of Pink Floyd's 'Dogs of War'. Just ever-so-slightly menacing

[McGraths Dry Cleaning]

What a great day - loved every minute. One of my best VP days - bring on the semi!!

[Ad@m]

Meanwhile...away from all the talk about pitch invasions......a great new innovation in the build up to the players coming out of the tunnel - a magnificent picture of a proud lion on the big screens with background music from, unless I'm sadly mistaken, the opening bars of Pink Floyd's 'Dogs of War'. Just ever-so-slightly menacing

I liked that too. And although I didn't hear it over the crowd noise at the time I'm sure I heard the return of the old entrance music, Escape, on one of the videos that have been posted. That would be a welcome return.

[not3bad]

It is a shame there was no police dogs presence there last night,if there had of been,i am sure the idiots who came onto the pitch,would have soon got off

Like the Police Horses WMP have made most of them redundant.

There were certainly some police dogs outside the ground before the match. Not sure how many.

[aj2k77]

Brilliant day, fantastic result. There were a hell of a lot of pissed up people, more than I've seen at a game in a long time. We won't be playing the Albion again at 5.30 I don't think.

[Rich6by7]

Regarding drinking I agree that there are unscrupulous and greedy people who will sell alcohol regardless of the time of day but that only draws into the equation the reality that Britain is awash with cheap alcohol and stuffed with those who want to make money out of selling it.   Go down to any town centre or any A and E on a Saturday night and see the price society is paying for the deregulation of the alcohol industry.   Like the deregulation of gambling it began with Blair and has become a massive problem in the contemporary have/have not society we live in today.   That is several other topics.

As for the righteous indignation and centre stage "look at me I am outraged" posture of the media and its commentators, we football fans must take the same sort of stand that gay, muslim, disabled, black, old, fat, catholic minorities have done to protect themselves against stereotypical prejudice.   An event like yesterday declares open season for the Lawrensons and Linekers of the world to build their careers to even greater undeserved heights by implying that people who go to football matches are somehow inferior and deeply flawed and should be subjected to constraints over and above the law of the land.   Every minority has the same problem, gay people are called qu**r, muslims are pa**s, disabled people are cripples and so on.   We football fans are portrayed as either active or latent hooligans.

The whole existences of people like Lawrenson revolve around the finding of ways to become "the voice of the people" "Mr Sensible" "someone who tells it how it is".   He/they are none of those things, they are careerists seeking to exploit a situation to their personal advantage by peddling prejudice.   On 606 last night Fletcher and Savage went into self righteous melt down when the tweet came through that Fabian Delph had been bitten by a fan.   When an actual interview with FD went out they were moderately sheepish but desperately wanted the credit for punchy as-it-happens broadcasting.   That was not what you did you pricks, you disseminated unconfirmed allegations that were untrue for purely personal attention.

If a fan tears out a seat and throws it down on the head of an old lady below the law of the land is in place to punish the lawbreaker, likewise the alleged danger to Albion players.   Apprehend the guilty and punish them.   That is the way society is built to work, not through kangaroo courts of Lawrenson, Lineker, Pulis, Savage, Fletcher and Uncle Tom Cobleigh.

When the crowd at Silverstone surged onto the track at the end of the British Grand Prix won by Nigel Mansell, a fan was actually run over by him.  The fan stated "I consider it a great honour to be run over by Nigel" and the whole thing passed off amicably.   Some of that sense of proportion has to be brought back into football.

This. Every word of this.

And as to the match... for the second time in a week, a local derby was won by the better side over the 90 minutes. Well played Villa, hopefully the confidence gained from winning two keenly-fought matches will spur us on to the wins we need to avoid relegation and hopefully, more than one trip to Wembley!

[silhillvilla]

Meanwhile...away from all the talk about pitch invasions......a great new innovation in the build up to the players coming out of the tunnel - a magnificent picture of a proud lion on the big screens with background music from, unless I'm sadly mistaken, the opening bars of Pink Floyd's 'Dogs of War'. Just ever-so-slightly menacing

Yes I noticed that and think it's very good, fits in nicely with the new #fightlikelions branding.

[pauliewalnuts]

The first one was stupid as the game hadn't finished. What if more had come on and the red had abandoned the match, for example?

The one at the end was totally understandable. To talk about it being a throwback to the bad old days like Pulis did is just laughable

[andyh]

Brian's post is excellent and I agree with every word.
The worse is yet to come for most of us, when we return to work tomorrow and face the moral indignation of people who have never stepped foot inside a football ground and know nothing about football, but will will be telling us how outraged they were/are.
Yet, they won't really know if the mean the first invasion or the one after the final whistle.

[Ian.]

The first one was stupid as the game hadn't finished. What if more had come on and the red had abandoned the match, for example?

The one at the end was totally understandable. To talk about it being a throwback to the bad old days like Pulis did is just laughable

It's quite ironic when Pullis is a throw back to 80's football management himself.
I'm so glad we never went for him as a panic option on managers.

[Des Little]

Brian's post is excellent and I agree with every word.
The worse is yet to come for most of us, when we return to work tomorrow and face the moral indignation of people who have never stepped foot inside a football ground and know nothing about football, but will will be telling us how outraged they were/are.
Yet, they won't really know if the mean the first invasion or the one after the final whistle.

My advice would simply to tell them bollocks. It usually works for me.

[SX150]

Or show them the picture of the little lad aged about 8 on the pitch with his hat scarf & gloves loving getting to Wembley. Lawrensons idea of a village idiot but chose to ignore middle aged men throwing broken seats at Villa fans.