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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on January 08, 2013, 06:09:13 PM
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Available Tuesday evening.
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Sort the fucking defence out PL
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Those saying we can struggle on without buying a left back need to think again. Every single team in the world attacks down our left flank. Every one. For the reason that we are absolutely fucking SHIT down that side. Nothing going forward, nothing in defence.
I've had just about enough of watching this team. Flatter to deceive for 15 minutes here and there but ultimately we are garbage.
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You know what, that's enough.
Say what you like about Lerner not investing enough over the last few transfer windows, if Lambert can't get a better performance out of these players than that, he should fuck off. And take most of these players with him.
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Embarrassing!
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If it looks like shit, smells like shit, and feels like shit, you don't have to actually eat it to know it's shit.
I'm sorry, it's not an overreaction to tonight. Lambert is drowning, he's lost and utterly out of his depth. I think most clubs would have sacked him by now. I can't think of a manger doing a worse job in the premier league still in their job.
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I'm just so sad.
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Just just not good enough for Aston Villa football club. Lamber is one quarter to the sack in my mind. Tonight is a tipping point in my mind. To get it back to 2-1 and lose another goal....words fail me.
That said I think we can turn this round but with Given in goal Bradford could easily nick another set piece goal at VP.
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Best team won
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Well at least we dont have to worry about Chelsea taking the piss out of us again in the final
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well the texts have started.
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The worst defence in the top three tiers of English football? Evidently.
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Lambert has 2 weeks to swallow his pride and get 2 defenders and a holding midfield player in, because if we don't this side will ship too many fucking goals to stay up.
Fuck the results over Christmas, this is true, true humiliation tonight.
Lambert has a lot to do. And fast.
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Fucking omnishambles
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2-0 at VP will do it.
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Resign now lambert, just fuck right off. I have fad enough of this shit. Imagine having gone
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That team is simply piss poor. We need players better than that.
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Son of Mcleish except with a worse defence.
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Another disgusting result in a catalogue of disgusting results this season. Sign some fucking players, because this lot are an embarrassment to the shirt(Lowton, Weimann, Benteke excepted).
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SPEND SOME FUCKING MONEY
EXPERIENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Well we all know it...players who just manage to pay a mortgage and support their family have more fight and bottle than our pampered prima donna lot!!
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We've got bigger things to worry about than this.
We're fucked. Lambert has obviously spent very poorly in the Summer. We need more of Lerner's money in January otherwise we're going down.
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Pathetic.
A lot of work to be done to get ourselves out of the shit.
Sort it out PL.
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We fucking suck!
And Lambert looks like a rabbit in the headlights.
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Well, there it is. I don't think Lambert has got a clue what he is doing. Not a fucking clue. We've looked shambolic time and time again all season, and have now just been soundly beaten by a 4th division team. His players, his tactics.
Utterly shit.
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The worst thing about that shit display was PL. Why the fuck is he there looking bored shitless?
Is it me, or did he used to be on the touchline whilst at Norwich and geeing up his team?
What a ******. He needs to perform miracles to get me back on his side now.
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I'm starting to think we may have appointed another crap manager.
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Lost for words. Utterly lost for words
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It comes to something when you shit yourself every time a Div 4 team wins a corner.
Our club, from the very top down, is so shit right now it beggars belief.
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We need a bit of luck and our injured players to come back but we can do it.
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Terrible bias with commentators
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Disgusting, disgraceful, embarrassing, inept
Have I missed any?
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An absolute disgrace I have just about had with this lot. If this doesn't convince that moron Lerner to spend some serious money we'll definitely be relegated.
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That's as low as it gets, but we shouldn't be at all surprised. There's one word that sums up our approach to this game. COMPLACENCY. We thought we could go up there and get the result just because we're the Premier League team. Well we won't be a Premier League team for long.
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2-0 at VP will do it.
We might get the two, doubt of we will get anywhere close to the 0 on tonights showing.
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I m sorry to say it, but sack him. This a League two team ffs. How have we got 8 days into the window without buying anyone? With the worst defence I ve ever seen at Villa in 30 years.
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The wore thing is we aren't even linked to buying players,what a fucking joke we are!!!!!!!!
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Pathetic, Lambert has nowhere to hide, tactically clueless, no spine, no fight, just pathetic.
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2-0 at VP will do it.
No it won't. That would take us to extra time and penalties. We now have to win by 3 clear goals
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Son of Mcleish except with a worse defence.
Hate to agree with you, but you're not wrong.
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Lamberts fault. To send a team out with only 2 real midfielders away is criminal. We had no option but to play the long ball, and no one left to pick up the second ball
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I am going to have a large nightcap.
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Terrible bias with commentators
I think it can be excused for a game like this. Every impartial viewer across the land wants the underdog to win. I'd have been pissing myself if it was anyone other than the Villa.
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Lambert has 2 weeks to swallow his pride and get 2 defenders and a holding midfield player in, because if we don't this side will ship too many fucking goals to stay up.
Fuck the results over Christmas, this is true, true humiliation tonight.
Lambert has a lot to do. And fast.
Get a fucking grip! Their keeper kept them in it, and it's only half time! ;)
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Any lingering confidence the kids had, has now been well and truly shattering. A staggeringly awful result for us and I could genuinely weep at the state the club is in right now.
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Bannan should never take a set piece again for villa...
A division 4 player on probably 1k a week puts 2great corners in and he produces nothing!
Actually ashamed to be a villa fan... How are we supposed to hold our heads high, there are NO excuses!
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You know what, that's enough.
Say what you like about Lerner not investing enough over the last few transfer windows, if Lambert can't get a better performance out of these players than that, he should fuck off. And take most of these players with him.
Says it all really, utterly embarrassing and unacceptable - dreadful and lambert must as manager carry the can - this is dreadful , midfield and defence need new players and they should have been signed by now!
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Well it's a long way from over and Bradford were always going to have the game of their life but nobody is telling me that result isn't woeful.
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I'll be there in two weeks trying to be positive but I'll be honest, I'd rather go out than play like that in the final,fucking embarrassing .
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Well I'm not happy.
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2-0 at VP will do it.
No it won't. That would take us to extra time and penalties. We now have to win by 3 clear goals
It will take it to extra time but not pens. The only result that will take it to pens is us winning 3-1.
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2-0 at VP will do it.
No it won't. That would take us to extra time and penalties. We now have to win by 3 clear goals
Extra time maybe, not penalties. But as I mentioned, we would not be able to keep a clean sheet.
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I don't know where to start with that. Only two main thoughts
Sort it out in the second leg
Buy some defenders and a proper defensive midfielder
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Call me crazy but I still think well go through
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We have an owner who is trying to run a Premier League club on the cheap and a manager who doesn't appear to be able to organise a defence or organise a midfield.
We got battered by Chelsea and some said ah well it's Chelsea, they're the champions of Europe.
We got battered by Spurs and some said they're a very good side.
We got battered at home by Wigan and they said we've got to stick with Lambert, he knows what he's doing.
We got humiliated by Bradford. I wonder what they'll say this time.
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We did lots of things right, but we did too many things badly, which is just not good enough.
You can't defend like that, it was just beyond pathetic, it really was. Bennett was getting raped from the first minute, he was all over the shop,. The defending for their second and third goals was just totally unacceptable.
We have a squad full of piss poor players (thanks Lerner) who spend too much time not knowing what the fuck they're doing, and that's something the manager has got to fix.
How many more times this season do we get to make ourselves look a laughing stock on television?
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Pathetic, Lambert has nowhere to hide, tactically clueless, no spine, no fight, just pathetic.
This is seriously the first time where I think I've lost patience
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Let's get some perspective here. Yes, it was an awful performance. But we happened to beat the premier league champions en route to the semi-final in the first place.
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Call me crazy but I still think well go through
Crazy, but I agree with you...
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Jaysus. I'm a glass half full kind of bloke but I can't see a way back from here.
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Sack him now for gods sake
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Pathetic, Lambert has nowhere to hide, tactically clueless, no spine, no fight, just pathetic.
This.
Bradford deserved the win. They were organised, had a plan and knew what they were doing.
We were headless chickens.
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2-0 at VP will do it.
No it won't. That would take us to extra time and penalties. We now have to win by 3 clear goals
Extra time maybe, not penalties. But as I mentioned, we would not be able to keep a clean sheet.
There isn't a team playing at any level in this country who I would confidently back us to beat by that margin.
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Any lingering confidence the kids had, has now been well and truly shattering. A staggeringly awful result for us and I could genuinely weep at the state the club is in right now.
I still blame Lerner. What can he do now? Get another manager in and give him shag all money but ask him to reduce the wage bill and keep us up? That's what Lambert has been asked to do after TSM.
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When is that moron Lerner going to bite the bullet and buy some fuckin defenders? This club is going down the pan with all those useless kids in the team.
Time to get real Villa fans we're not Ajax, our kids are not PL material. They've been outclassed all season. Now they've been outclassed by a 4th division club. It just isn't good enough for AVFC.
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Gutted we really need to defend better it's not over yet let's hope we can turn it around in the second leg keep the faith.
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Let's get some perspective here. Yes, it was an awful performance. But we happened to beat the premier league champions en route to the semi-final in the first place.
Then lost 3-1 to a 4th division team.
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Lambert has 2 weeks to swallow his pride and get 2 defenders and a holding midfield player in, because if we don't this side will ship too many fucking goals to stay up.
Fuck the results over Christmas, this is true, true humiliation tonight.
Lambert has a lot to do. And fast.
Get a fucking grip! Their keeper kept them in it, and it's only half time! ;)
Thanks chap. Feel better now.
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How many Bradford City AFCs could we buy for the amount we paid for Darren Bent?
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Where do we go from here,he has had long enough to sort this side out.
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We are fucked for saturday I think. He'll shuffle it all around again which means another match without continuity.
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Call me crazy but I still think well go through
Crazy
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We will struggle in the Championship with that side. Lerner... either shit, or get off the pot.
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Away goals count right? 2-0 would see us through on away goals?
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I assume this is what the post match thread would have looked like in 1994. I pray the ultimate outcome is the same
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Fuckin disgrace, fuck off Lambert you wanker. Bradford!?!? Total wankers
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Call me crazy but I still think well go through
Crazy
Does anybody fancy us to keep a clean sheet at any time?
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Bannan and to a lesser extent Delphi are so fucking hopeless
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2-0 at VP will do it.
No it won't. That would take us to extra time and penalties. We now have to win by 3 clear goals
Extra time maybe, not penalties. But as I mentioned, we would not be able to keep a clean sheet.
I wouldn't bet against Bradford scoring first at villa park either.
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Our defence and midfield is the worst I think I've seen.
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Let's get some perspective here. Yes, it was an awful performance. But we happened to beat the premier league champions en route to the semi-final in the first place.
The time to be upbeat about that result was back in September.
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Oh dear...
We started ok but once they got their rather fortunate 1st goal ,Bradfords tails were up and they looked a decent passing side at times.
That said on another day we may have put some of our chances away.
Hope Bent is not too badly hurt-he may have to pull of a miracle hatrick to get us through this tie!
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Don't worry lads, we'll Tranmere them!
I'd like to congratulate Joe Bennett on being completely outclassed by League Two opposition for 90 minutes.
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Call me crazy but I still think well go through
Me too.
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It's Tranmere all over again. Which was very predictable. And a cause of optimism...
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We did lots of things right, but we did too many things badly, which is just not good enough.
You can't defend like that, it was just beyond pathetic, it really was. Bennett was getting raped from the first minute, he was all over the shop,. The defending for their second and third goals was just totally unacceptable.
We have a squad full of piss poor players (thanks Lerner) who spend too much time not knowing what the fuck they're doing, and that's something the manager has got to fix.
How many more times this season do we get to make ourselves look a laughing stock on television?
Tonight was just totally shambolic at the back after they scored though. Clark, sorry, not a centre half unless he has an older head to keep him focussed with him. Baker, what the fuck is he doing on the second. Bennett, defend, could not fucking defend to save his life.
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2-0 at VP will do it.
No it won't. That would take us to extra time and penalties. We now have to win by 3 clear goals
Here's the rule from the Capital One website
13.5 In the Semi-Final ties, if the aggregate score is level at the end of the second game an extra half-hour shall be played. If the aggregate scores are still level at the end of extra time the tie shall be decided by goals scored away from home counting twice. If the teams remain equal after this procedure the tie shall be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with the Laws of Association Football.
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Call me crazy but I still think well go through
Crazy
Does anybody fancy us to keep a clean sheet at any time?
No
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How many more humiliations will we suffer this season?
Who, with any fucking football nous whatsoever, thinks that a midfield comprising of Bannan and Delph will ever be good enough for any game, at any level.
They are simply not good enough, but that goes for many others in our squad.
I really fear for the rest of our season now, given our fragility, that result tonight will probably be the one that breaks the camels back.
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Let's get some perspective here. Yes, it was an awful performance. But we happened to beat the premier league champions en route to the semi-final in the first place.
The time to be upbeat about that result was back in September.
Agreed. We're a different team mentally since then.
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Our defence and midfield is the worst I think I've seen.
it is all so fragile, that's the problem. The midfield can look OK when they've a bit of confidence, but their heads go down too easily.
Really, 2-1 tonight would have been OK, all we had to do was hold out against a league two side for seven fucking minutes. And were any of us really surprised when they got their third? Really?
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Away goals count right? 2-0 would see us through on away goals?
After extra time, yes.
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Tranmere Rovers 1994 please.
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Away goals count right? 2-0 would see us through on away goals?
We'd do well to get nil.
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Apart from the lack of fight, what really concerns me is the complete lack of idea of what to do. We made no attempt at all to play the ball about like a top team and just hoofed it up to Benteke. Heart breaking to watch this drivel.
It's difficult to believe that I can feel even worse than last season. Then we were crap, now we are also embarrassing too.
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Bennett should not play for Villa again. He is not good enough for our club.
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Clark is absolutely the worst captain I've seen as well. Since he became captain we have imploded.
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We've got bigger things to worry about than this.
We're fucked. Lambert has obviously spent very poorly in the Summer. We need more of Lerner's money in January otherwise we're going down.
Exactly. I couldn't give two hoots about getting to Wembley for a game which we're probably going to lose anyway (though showing a bit of pride against a fourth division team would be nice).
We've got three weeks to sort this mess out, or we're in trouble.
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Absolutely laughable.
From the moment I saw the team sheet I knew we'd lost. A two man midfield ???, THOSE TWO and some attackers filling in the gaps where they aren't suited .. BARMY!
It's as bad, if not worse than it's ever been. Half the team aren't good enough, the other half would be lucky to be on the bench and if anyone can convince me Lambert has any tactical nous than have a go.
We are bloody terrible, this isn't even Wigan ... it's BRADFORD. And fair play to them.
The only smile i've had this evening is thinking about those idiots that were booking their Wembley hotels as soon as the semi final draw was made.
Given : poor
Lowton : poor
Baker : poor
Clark : poor
Bennett : poor
Delph : poor
Bannan : poor
Gabby : poor
N'zogbia : slightly better than poor
Benteke : poor
Weimann : completely anonymous until popping up with the goal
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'We pick ourselves up and go again'.
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There are only 3 premier league teams still in all three domestic competitions
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Bennett should not play for Villa again. He is not good enough for our club.
He might be good enough in the future, but he's nowhere near up to it yet.
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Our back four and midfield are outmuscled by pretty much everyone we play. And that's the second time Benteke has not competed at a corner and it has cost us a goal.
A complete defensive shambles - the worst I've seen in nearly 30 years.
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Tranmere Rovers 1994 please.
The difference between then and now is that we had a good team back then. This time we are simply appalling.
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We missed Westwood and Webb was terrible, how can he ref a team from Yorkshire... he lives in Yorkshire!
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I really worry about the affect this will have on our league form. Having been battered we got a decent result at Swansea and then Ipswich. This should have pushed us on again and it is possible it's going to sink our morale again to new levels.
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OK, aside of the ranting I really want to do, looking at individual players:
CNZ - absolute wanker. Thinks he's Messi when I reckon I've played against better players on a Sunday morning. PASS THE FUCKING BALL YOU GREEDY TWAT! The quicker he's got rid of the better.
Delph - he'd struggle to get in Bradford's team. Get rid, ASAP.
Bannan - you're not Beckham Barry. When you've learnt to pass 5 yards then you can have a go at passing 50 yards.
Bennett - is everyone else still happy Warnock's been ostracised. I know Warnock can be a liability, but I doubt he'd have struggled so badly tonight.
Rest of them - no bad individually but need a leader to organise them.
Lambert - oh dear. You're wrong Lambert - learn from it and change things.
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Standard League Cup semi.
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Apparently the team where my kids have been born beat Bradford this season. It's a bloody good job they are too young to know anything about football at the moment because they might be going out to buy Exeter City shirts and rebel against their father.
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Badly missing Vlaar in the centre, Clark really is a poor defender.
When Bennett has a bad one he has an absolute mare, too incosistent to be a regular 1st teamer, and Lowton needs a rest, very poor tonight, i'd rather play Hutton.
PL has taken a big gamble with the midfield, and it has'nt worked, we need to replace all the central midfielders, bar Westwood, too weak, too slow, too pedestrian, no confidence, which sums up the team tbh.
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The difference between now and 1994 is that we had a half decent team then.
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Just when you think it can't get any more humiliating than 8-0 to Chelsea and 0-3 to Wigan...
Utterly unacceptable defending for a premier league side and we have little midfield to speak of.
I've backed Lambert but he's on very, very thin ice now. After the third he looked like a schoolboy who'd just been relieved of his dinner money by a girl.
The only positive is that it could save us from even more humiliation in the final.
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Fkin fed up of the Tranmere posts, we had a decent team then, tranmere were a decent team then, oh its Tranmere its Tranmere
No it fukin isnt Its a half arsed team with a useless chairman putting out a team of players that realy should be no where near wearing A Villa first team shirt
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I assume this is what the post match thread would have looked like in 1994. I pray the ultimate outcome is the same
Look at the team from 1994 though:
Bosnich
Cox
Barrett
Teale
McGrath
Townsend
Richardson
Houghton
Saunders
Daley
Atkinson
Top, top quality in every area of the pitch. Our central midfield and entire defence these days are nowt but a bad joke in comparison. Still, an early goal in the home leg and who knows.....
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OK, aside of the ranting I really want to do, looking at individual players:
CNZ - absolute wanker. Thinks he's Messi when I reckon I've played against better players on a Sunday morning. PASS THE FUCKING BALL YOU GREEDY TWAT! The quicker he's got rid of the better.
Delph - he'd struggle to get in Bradford's team. Get rid, ASAP.
Bannan - you're not Beckham Barry. When you've learnt to pass 5 yards then you can have a go at passing 50 yards.
Bennett - is everyone else still happy Warnock's been ostracised. I know Warnock can be a liability, but I doubt he'd have struggled so badly tonight.
Rest of them - no bad individually but need a leader to organise them.
Lambert - oh dear. You're wrong Lambert - learn from it and change things.
Clark was atrocious.
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I'm surprised so many people are shocked by the result. We're on our way to the Championship and they're on their way to league 1 - so only one division really between us.
Add to that: we are Aston Villa. That means we always, always bottle it at raucous lower division grounds.
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I still reckon its 50/50. We surely can't miss so many chances again and surely we'll create them. But our defence was so unbelievably bad that I have no confidence we can keep them out at the other end.
It's also a serious worry ahead of Southampton. We need to improve defensively, physically and organisationally or we are likely to go down I think
This is worse than tranmere as a result although I don't remember us missing / creating so many chances in that game
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We've become the laughing stock of the football league. It's an absolute disgrace. I don't know where to start to be honest, we aren't good enough at board level, managerial level or playing level. The whole lot can just f*ck off tomorrow as far as I'm concerned.
As a side note the players didn't even applaud the 4,600 Villa fans there tonight at the end of the game. Wankers.
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We've got bigger things to worry about than this.
We're fucked. Lambert has obviously spent very poorly in the Summer. We need more of Lerner's money in January otherwise we're going down.
Exactly. I couldn't give two hoots about getting to Wembley for a game which we're probably going to lose anyway (though showing a bit of pride against a fourth division team would be nice).
We've got three weeks to sort this mess out, or we're in trouble.
That's exactly it.
Really, I can live with not reaching the final - although being dumped out by a bottom tier side over two legs is a whole new level of embarrassing - but what scares the shit out of me is looking at that crud tonight, and thinking how we're going to do on Saturday against Southampton.
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Have to be honest i'm not to bothered about this poxy cup what i am bothered about is the humiliation after humiliation Villa supporters have to put up with. This is not just Paul Lambert this is about the total mismanagement of the Aston Villa Football club over the last five years. Yes we had a brief flirtation with something approaching a decent side but even then the warning signs were there. We need a total overhaul of management and possibly a new owner.
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I suppose it's a question of taste.
Which humiliation do you prefer. Humiliated away at Bradford or humiliated at Wembley in the Final.
I'm afraid these are the realities of the Villa right now.
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I really worry about the affect this will have on our league form. Having been battered we got a decent result at Swansea and then Ipswich. This should have pushed us on again and it is possible it's going to sink our morale again to new levels.
They are the most spineless bunch of players I've ever seen. Also if Lambert says 'we're going really fine' I think I'll be sick.
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Bennett should not play for Villa again. He is not good enough for our club.
He might be good enough in the future, but he's nowhere near up to it yet.
I doubt if he ever will. Meanwhile when he's in the team he's a liability.
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Never mind the cup. If we defend like that we are going to get relegated. In bottom place. It is as simple as that.
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Fabian Delph played crap and got booked. Who'd have guessed that?
Bent muffs a sitter and hobbles off in embarrassment.
Hollywood Bannan drifts through another game having offered absolutely bugger-all.
Defensively we are an accident waiting to happen.
This is my lowest point as a Villa supporter and I've seen some sh*t over the years. Our ineptitude is total, it's stupifying.
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Bennett should not play for Villa again. He is not good enough for our club.
I misread the name as Bannan. Could easily apply that to him.
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I assume this is what the post match thread would have looked like in 1994. I pray the ultimate outcome is the same
Look at the team from 1994 though:
Bosnich
Cox
Barrett
Teale
McGrath
Townsend
Richardson
Houghton
Saunders
Daley
Atkinson
Top, top quality in every area of the pitch. Our central midfield and entire defence these days are nowt but a bad joke in comparison. Still, an early goal in the home leg and who knows.....
Yes and they went to a lower league side and were losing 3-0 until deep into stoppage time. Your point is?
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I jut don't get Lambert. Where are his strengths. He's tactically poor and he just can't motivate players.
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Never mind the cup. If we defend like that we are going to get relegated. In bottom place. It is as simple as that.
Quite our defence and defending from the midfield is as bad as I've seen at any level.
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Bannan can get sold to forest for all I care. Everytime I've seen him live he has been useless! Overrated by a mile.
Bennett, I said earlier that warnock was worse, I'm now not sure.
Delph, how much did we pay? Jesus wept
Clark - worst Villa captain ever
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Fkin fed up of the Tranmere posts, we had a decent team then, tranmere were a decent team then, oh its Tranmere its Tranmere
No it fukin isnt Its a half arsed team with a useless chairman putting out a team of players that realy should be no where near wearing A Villa first team shirt
Same here, i agree. other than the score there is no comparison between then and now.
We also had a certain Mr. Atkinson in charge then.
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Is it just me or is there a lot of overreaction. Bradford must be doing well to get this far and they have have just knocked Arsenal out. Bradford's keeper wins man of the match and the majority are saying how crap we were.
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Like to see Warnock start in midfield at the weekend.
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Lambert should be sacked, disgusting
Calm down for goodness sake, we never do it the easy way. Had we taken our chances we'd have probably come out of this with a draw....
That's the problem - We SHOULDN'T EVEN BE CONTENT WITH A DRAW AGAINST A DIVISION 4 SIDE!!!
What the fuck has this club become! Kids not good enough. Manager not good enough. Owner not good enough!
League cup final is gone - We may score a goal or two at VP but there is no way we will keep a clean sheet with that shower!
We have become a laughing stock. Unless Lerner pulls some serious cash out of his pocket this month, and Lambert stops spending the 90 minutes tickling his balls in the back of the dugout, there is no way we are going to survive in the Prem, let alone claw back this tie!
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Bennett is not good enough...
still young so maybe he needs to go out on loan but shouldnt be in the side this season for sure.
There keeper did not keep them in it... if it had been a south american game and the keeper had let any of those shots in I am pretty sure it would of resulted in him being shot!
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We were suppose to use this game as a confidence booster for Soton. We have probably as little confidence now as we did just after Wigan. Absolute disgrace. Feel for those Villans who went. Only Delph, N'Zogbia and Weimann can hold their heads high after that!
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How many more humiliations will we suffer this season?
Who, with any fucking football nous whatsoever, thinks that a midfield comprising of Bannan and Delph will ever be good enough for any game, at any level.
They are simply not good enough, but that goes for many others in our squad.
The trouble is who else could we have put in there which would have led to any difference, KEA and Ireland showed against Wigan and other matches that the result probably would not have been any different.
Bradford were always going to be up for it as they had nothing to lose. And as been shown in recent weeks, score against us and we panic. On clear cut chances we probably should be leading but the difference in our current defence and one who has played together regularly and has confidence in each other was there to see.
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Clark was atrocious.
try and convince me that Baker was any better. What the hell he was doing for their second is beyond me.
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Tranmere were a good second tier side. Not fourth tier!
I don't understand the criticism of nzogbia though. He was our most dangerous player by a mile
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Even think about taking minor positives from that debacle and your fooling yourself.
Bannan, Bennett, Baker, Delph etc etc, name who you want, they're shite everyone on them.
No passion they're a disgrace, I'm embarrassed and I hope Lambert the stupid twat does something to redeem himself. Disappointment doesn't come near to it, wankers tonight they should have their wages docked all of them, fuckin wankers.
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To be honest I thought the likes of Delph, Bannan, Bennet, Clark and Agbonlahor were Championship standard at best. They aren't.
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Remember 2nd leg home to Blackburn!!!!! We are pathetic with worst back 4 and midfield seen since division 3..... STAN hurry up and get well we need a leader
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Just when you think the players might be settling down after the Chelsea, Spurs and Wigan debacles. Now this happens. It's going from bad to worse.
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I assume this is what the post match thread would have looked like in 1994. I pray the ultimate outcome is the same
Look at the team from 1994 though:
Bosnich
Cox
Barrett
Teale
McGrath
Townsend
Richardson
Houghton
Saunders
Daley
Atkinson
Top, top quality in every area of the pitch. Our central midfield and entire defence these days are nowt but a bad joke in comparison. Still, an early goal in the home leg and who knows.....
You're not helping matters Riss. I completely agree, the quality of Big Ron's team is far and away better than what we have today. The only consolation is that Tranmere were Div 1 at the time and we were PL. One would hope that in the end PL vs L2 will tell. I say hope. Football can kick you in the nuts as it has for us several times this season, but it can also surprise. We were heading out against Blackburn at one point too and came in a crazy game, and if we can get an early goal then we could still salvage this. It would be such an utter waste to have done so well to this point to completely throw it all away.
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On the bright side, if we play like this every week, I'm pretty sure I'll manage to get in to the first team at some point.
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Absolutely laughable.
From the moment I saw the team sheet I knew we'd lost. A two man midfield ???, THOSE TWO and some attackers filling in the gaps where they aren't suited .. BARMY!
It's as bad, if not worse than it's ever been. Half the team aren't good enough, the other half would be lucky to be on the bench and if anyone can convince me Lambert has any tactical nous than have a go.
We are bloody terrible, this isn't even Wigan ... it's BRADFORD. And fair play to them.
The only smile i've had this evening is thinking about those idiots that were booking their Wembley hotels as soon as the semi final draw was made.
Given : poor
Lowton : poor
Baker : poor
Clark : poor
Bennett : poor
Delph : poor
Bannan : poor
Gabby : poor
N'zogbia : slightly better than poor
Benteke : poor
Weimann : completely anonymous until popping up with the goal
What you have said is rubbish, I read this and thought, that's a good attacking side.
I don't know why they didn't put away the chances in the first 20 - odd minutes but that seems to have been part of the problem tonight.
Same with the second half. Villa had lots of possession and opportunities.
Bradford's goalkeeper was good.
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Never mind the cup. If we defend like that we are going to get relegated. In bottom place. It is as simple as that.
Thats what is worrying me, this squad will never get us back up.
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The team is worse than McNeill's without question.
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Worst defence I've seen down the villa and worst central midfield pairing by a country mile. Topped off by Delph being one of the worst players I've seen play for us. I can't remember ever walking away from a game thinking he played well. He's never progressed from league 1. Whatever the result at Vp, it will still be a disgrace that at best we'll only edge past this lot.
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Is it just me or is there a lot of overreaction. Bradford must be doing well to get this far and they have have just knocked Arsenal out. Bradford's keeper wins man of the match and the majority are saying how crap we were.
We weren't entirely crap, we created lots of chances, and didn't take them.
The problem is the defending. I look at their second and third goals, and I'm not thinking "oh no, we're not going to Wembley", I'm thinking "much more of that, and we're going down, without a doubt".
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I assume this is what the post match thread would have looked like in 1994. I pray the ultimate outcome is the same
Look at the team from 1994 though:
Bosnich
Cox
Barrett
Teale
McGrath
Townsend
Richardson
Houghton
Saunders
Daley
Atkinson
Top, top quality in every area of the pitch. Our central midfield and entire defence these days are nowt but a bad joke in comparison. Still, an early goal in the home leg and who knows.....
Spot on.
What we have now is the result of Lerner's cutbacks. Sell your best players and replace them with lower league shit, err I mean, "young and hungry" footballers.
The most confusing part of all this is the amount of fans who have fallen for this bullshit.
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I feel physically sick. How has this happened?
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As a side note the players didn't even applaud the 4,600 Villa fans there tonight at the end of the game. Wankers.
I'd usually agree with you but they were getting booed rather loudly as they left the pitch.
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I assume this is what the post match thread would have looked like in 1994. I pray the ultimate outcome is the same
Look at the team from 1994 though:
Bosnich
Cox
Barrett
Teale
McGrath
Townsend
Richardson
Houghton
Saunders
Daley
Atkinson
Top, top quality in every area of the pitch. Our central midfield and entire defence these days are nowt but a bad joke in comparison. Still, an early goal in the home leg and who knows.....
Yes and they went to a lower league side and were losing 3-0 until deep into stoppage time. Your point is?
My point being that I never once doubted that we'd turn it round in the home leg. And Tranmere were doing well in the Championship (or whatever it was called back then) and in Aldridge still had one of the deadliest strikers around.
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How many more humiliations will we suffer this season?
Who, with any fucking football nous whatsoever, thinks that a midfield comprising of Bannan and Delph will ever be good enough for any game, at any level.
They are simply not good enough, but that goes for many others in our squad.
The trouble is who else could we have put in there which would have led to any difference, KEA and Ireland showed against Wigan and other matches that the result probably would not have been any different.
Bradford were always going to be up for it as they had nothing to lose. And as been shown in recent weeks, score against us and we panic. On clear cut chances we probably should be leading but the difference in our current defence and one who has played together regularly and has confidence in each other was there to see.
Oh, I full agree, who could have played?
Problem is, as has been said, the squad is not good enough and if you buy crap, you get crap.
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Have to be honest i'm not to bothered about this poxy cup what i am bothered about is the humiliation after humiliation Villa supporters have to put up with.
Well I'm certainly bothered about this cup and I'm even more bothered about the humiliation we are receiving. Our fans were magnificent again tonight and in spite of all their singing, we still managed to embarrass ourselves once more.
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It's not p. c to say it.
Give me Warnock, Cuellar, Collins and Hutton over that lot we're persisting with.
Hunger and potential is one thing Mr Lambert, but don't underestimate experience. Even fourth fucking division experience, as we've seen tonight.
Embarrassing. Truly embarrassing. And the sad part is, a lot of it comes from one mans stubbornness.
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This Sat is so important, lose and were are in serious trouble. Win and gives them a lift, but I can't us beating Soton with our midfield / defence.
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Is it just me or is there a lot of overreaction. Bradford must be doing well to get this far and they have have just knocked Arsenal out. Bradford's keeper wins man of the match and the majority are saying how crap we were.
We weren't entirely crap, we created lots of chances, and didn't take them.
The problem is the defending. I look at their second and third goals, and I'm not thinking "oh no, we're not going to Wembley", I'm thinking "much more of that, and we're going down, without a doubt".
Randy needs to spend on a few defenders and bolster the midfield.
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Let's get some perspective here. Yes, it was an awful performance. But we happened to beat the premier league champions en route to the semi-final in the first place.
You mean their reserves!
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Clark was atrocious.
try and convince me that Baker was any better. What the hell he was doing for their second is beyond me.
He was, but because he dives to make last ditch tackles some think he's a world beater. His positioning is questionable.
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The way we defend crosses is awful,i thought they were gonna get a fourth.Benteke completely loset his man again. Think Lambert got it wrong from the start,over run in midfield,full backs exposed all the time,when our play broke down,they had numbers running at Bannan,Delph and the defense.
Think Delph is clearly not good enough,Bennett needs to be taken out of the firing line for a bit,but i think he'll learn.
Goals change games,and if we'd taken one of our early chances we'd be in the final by now.
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I assume this is what the post match thread would have looked like in 1994. I pray the ultimate outcome is the same
Look at the team from 1994 though:
Bosnich
Cox
Barrett
Teale
McGrath
Townsend
Richardson
Houghton
Saunders
Daley
Atkinson
Top, top quality in every area of the pitch. Our central midfield and entire defence these days are nowt but a bad joke in comparison. Still, an early goal in the home leg and who knows.....
Yes and they went to a lower league side and were losing 3-0 until deep into stoppage time. Your point is?
That was a bad day at the office for a good team. Tonight is becoming our standard performance. I thought we'd draw tonight and win he tie, but I can't see our defence seeing us through the second leg
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I assume this is what the post match thread would have looked like in 1994. I pray the ultimate outcome is the same
Look at the team from 1994 though:
Bosnich
Cox
Barrett
Teale
McGrath
Townsend
Richardson
Houghton
Saunders
Daley
Atkinson
Top, top quality in every area of the pitch. Our central midfield and entire defence these days are nowt but a bad joke in comparison. Still, an early goal in the home leg and who knows.....
Yes and they went to a lower league side and were losing 3-0 until deep into stoppage time. Your point is?
Tranmere had just missed out against promotion to the Prem for two years running prior to 94 and had players like Aldridge. They were also two divisions above tonights opponents.
This is more on par with Doncaster.
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We simply can not defend how many fucking goals is that since liverpool 22 ...Soton are going to stuff us Saturday
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Have to be honest i'm not to bothered about this poxy cup what i am bothered about is the humiliation after humiliation Villa supporters have to put up with. This is not just Paul Lambert this is about the total mismanagement of the Aston Villa Football club over the last five years. Yes we had a brief flirtation with something approaching a decent side but even then the warning signs were there. We need a total overhaul of management and possibly a new owner.
This 100%. Even if we get to the final it will never paper over the cracks of what is probably the worst Villa team I have seen in 35 years.
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I'm getting really pissed off with the seemingly incessant stream of humiliation and embarrassment. I'm still trying to believe that Lambert is the right man and if we survive this season things will turn round next season. But tonight has really got me worried about the direction the club is going in . I know it's only 'half time' in the tie but our inability to defend against lowest league corners is frightening.
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We created bucket loads of chances. It was the defending, the leadership and the organisation that was the problem
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Dear Mr Lambert and Mr Lerner you build a winning team from the back....get fcking building!!!!
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The team is worse than McNeill's without question.
I can't believe i'm saying this, because my God that side was dreadful, but it's very close. If Benteke got injured it certainly would be.
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We need a bit of luck and our injured players to come back but we can do it.
That's the spirit. A bit of luck, a Premier league team against a division two team over two legs. Luck.
Dearie, dearie, me.
A defence that is weak, spineliness, inept.
A midfield that doesn't create, doesn't tackle, doesn't compete.
An attack that is the opoosite of clinical.
Forget the league cup, even if we should manage to get through, this team has got the fight of their lives to stay in the Premier League. Do we have the players?
Bennett -no, Clark - no, Lowton - no, Bannan - no, Baker - no, Delph - no.
The rest? Benteke - not clinical, Gabby - one goal in 34.
Forget Tranmere in '94. We are weak, uncommitted and terribly, terribly poor.
Well done Bradford, 1 win in 6 before tonight but better than our comedians.
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An absolute embarrassment and an unacceptable result. By far the worse result of my life time (and quite possibly our history). The manager HAS to be sacked and if Lerner is not prepared to invest in some experience this transfer window then he needs to sell up as well. Ashamed to call myself a Villa fan tonight and was too embarrassed to even celebrate Weimann's goal.
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I assume this is what the post match thread would have looked like in 1994. I pray the ultimate outcome is the same
Look at the team from 1994 though:
Bosnich
Cox
Barrett
Teale
McGrath
Townsend
Richardson
Houghton
Saunders
Daley
Atkinson
Top, top quality in every area of the pitch. Our central midfield and entire defence these days are nowt but a bad joke in comparison. Still, an early goal in the home leg and who knows.....
I'd rather start with the '94 team as they are now that that shower of shite.
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We created bucket loads of chances. It was the defending, the leadership and the organisation that was the problem
Worst defence, midfield and captain ever.
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I'm struggling to recall a Villa player who looks quite so uninterested and uncommitted as N'Zogbia.
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This is the worst Villa team I have seen.
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Is it just me or is there a lot of overreaction. Bradford must be doing well to get this far and they have have just knocked Arsenal out. Bradford's keeper wins man of the match and the majority are saying how crap we were.
We weren't entirely crap, we created lots of chances, and didn't take them.
The problem is the defending. I look at their second and third goals, and I'm not thinking "oh no, we're not going to Wembley", I'm thinking "much more of that, and we're going down, without a doubt".
you have to also wonder what impact from a organisation/communication standpoint Guzan would have had over Given. The defence looked at 15's and 16's let alone 6's and 7's.
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Clark was atrocious.
try and convince me that Baker was any better. What the hell he was doing for their second is beyond me.
Well he was trying to go out and get the ball, because no other fella was going. It was terrible... Bradford created their own goal chance by chasing everything. No one from villa went out to get that ball and then just crossed it in for the goal. Very bad defending and very poor from the whole of our team.
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Let's get some perspective here. Yes, it was an awful performance. But we happened to beat the premier league champions en route to the semi-final in the first place.
You mean their reserves!
Some of their reserves, unless Lescott, Kolo Toure, Kolarov, Barry, Dzeko, Tevez and Balotelli didn't have much to do for the League win last season.
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I can see a Tranmere in the second leg coming, but Bennett and Delph should be nowhere near the starting XI.
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How can Clark be captain of Aston Villa ? He and Bennett were so poor today, words fail me. They got past Bennett and crosses in so many times, when he was not giving away corner kicks.
Every time the camera focused on Lambert, he just sat there looking like a man without a glue. Get up and give the players som guidance !
In the first half Bannan kept playing one-two with the central defenders, whats the point ?
We started the second half playing direct - and it worked ! Then we stopped after 10 minutes - why ? Game after game we seem to be so poor tactically, I do not understand it.
But as some has mentioned, maybe this safes us from getting slaughtered by Chelsea in the final. Imagine this defence against Chelsea again...
I do not know about sacking Lambert, do not think it will help. But I would really want Lerner or just Faulkner to come out and say something - acknowledge that we need to invest. How can this club believe that these young players are good enough ?
I am so upset tonight, I really have not been this for a long time watching Villa, not even during the Christmas games. Not only was today an embarrassment, but we look like going down playing like this, which scares me.
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I never thought I'd ever say this, but Stephen Warnock has to come back into that team.
Joe Bennett is an utter liability. He is simply not good enough.
That would be part one of the plan, not sure where we go next.......
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The players didn't play with the freedom that they have done in previous rounds and they really looked weighed down with the pressure and expectation - that is what happens with young players in their first senior semi-final. Positive support back at Villa Park can get us through - even if we go an early goal down (which would not surprise me).
People calling for Lambert's head after we lose the first leg of a semi to a team that has already beaten a couple of Premier League sides?! Why? The frustration here is that a whole load of our fans totally underestimated Bradford and, more importantly, cup football. Where you are in the table goes out the window in games like this. It's a cliche, we all know it yet half our mob were rubbing their hands thinking we were already through. That's a burden for young players.
In the words of Big Ron: We've dug ourselves into a hole...we're gonna have to dig ourselves out.
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Is it just me or is there a lot of overreaction. Bradford must be doing well to get this far and they have have just knocked Arsenal out. Bradford's keeper wins man of the match and the majority are saying how crap we were.
We weren't entirely crap, we created lots of chances, and didn't take them.
The problem is the defending. I look at their second and third goals, and I'm not thinking "oh ono, we're not going to Wembley", I'm thinking "much more of that, and we're going down, without a doubt".
Horror story, we are spineless and clueless. Terrible defending. We are an say touch. lambert and Culverhouse were average as players and we're not even that good. Not fit to wear the shirt any of the bastards. Fuckin wankers all of them.
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Fuck Lambert! Fuck Lerner! Fuck this fuck that fuck the other.
That'll show them.
We don't have McGrath anymore!
We don't have this we don't have that.
I'm going to throw caution to the wind and say balls to the lot of you, we're still going through!*
*'though the less said about our defence the better.
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I'm really pissed off with Lerner and what he's done to thic club over the past few years. I'm very disappointed with Lambert so far, even if he's only had one window, I expected better than this.
But for everything the pair of them have done wrong, what is wrong with these players? We weren't exactly thrashed, but it certainly wasn't an undeserved win from Bradford, and our players looked genuinely clueless about what to do. They clearly have some ability, they show it once every couple of months or so, but I've never seen any team, in any sport, at any level, professional or otherwise, that seem to just give up on the game and want to go home as soon as they concede a goal.
I'm amazed any of these players made it this far and didn't just give up on their career as soon as they have a bad day.
We shouldn't need millions of pounds spent on the squad to beat Bradford, we shouldn't need a manager who outwits the other teams manager, we just need our players to have some self respect, they're pathetic.
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We've become the laughing stock of the football league. It's an absolute disgrace. I don't know where to start to be honest, we aren't good enough at board level, managerial level or playing level. The whole lot can just f*ck off tomorrow as far as I'm concerned.
As a side note the players didn't even applaud the 4,600 Villa fans there tonight at the end of the game. Wankers.
Have to agree with you, I don't know who to blame or rage at, a lot of people have come and gone over the last few years at Villa but the one constant is Lerner, I'm starting to realise Lerner is not the best owner and I'm starting to lose patience with him....
Lambert was not my first choice as manager but I backed his appointment, but saying that I'm starting to question his leadership..
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Can't see us keeping a clean sheet in the second leg...yes we could have been out of sight but for the keeper but the midfield and defence just isn't good enough, and that was on show in all it's glory tonight.
Get Vlaar back, sign a sentre back and a left back then two decent mdfielders and we may stay up...don't and I reckon we've had it.
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I'm just tired of being a Villa fan. I'll always be one, but it's just so draining.
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The players are poor, no doubt, but they don't appear even remotely organised, either. They're all over the place, all over the pitch. That's a coaching issue, and that's Lambert's responsibility. They're not improving in any way I can see, and in fact are getting markedly worse. That's Lambert's responsibility, too.
I don't think he's a very good manager.
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There is nothing complicated about it. Our players are not good enough and our manager is not good enough. We have deluded ourselves into thinking that the players which have come up from our academy are better than they are and we have deluded ourselves into thinking the young players Lambert has signed are better than they are.
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Going forward we can create chances and if the Bradford keeper hadn't played out of his skin we would probably have won 4 or 5 - 3.
But we need to fix the defence - and quickly, because we are far too fragile far too often.
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Is it just me or is there a lot of overreaction. Bradford must be doing well to get this far and they have have just knocked Arsenal out. Bradford's keeper wins man of the match and the majority are saying how crap we were.
We weren't entirely crap, we created lots of chances, and didn't take them.
The problem is the defending. I look at their second and third goals, and I'm not thinking "oh no, we're not going to Wembley", I'm thinking "much more of that, and we're going down, without a doubt".
The problem is that we were taken apart by a 4th Division team on an OK pitch. They had players that looked better than our players, now that is seriously wrong.
The reason we cant defend is that most of our midfield and defenders are about league 2 or 3 level and that is why Bradford looked a better team
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Is Vlaar back for sat?
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iT'LL BE DIFFERENT AT HOME. :)
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XXXXing bunch of XXXXing XXXXs.
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Lambert interview.... Seemed disinterested and certainly no passion. Think he's also pissed off with lack of squad
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For me, Bennett isn't good enough. Had their keeper not played a blinder, and Benteke had his shooting boots on, we'd have won comfortably. They scored totally against the run of play, and held it to half time. We should have scored again whilst on top, but didn't. N'zogbia was very lively. Thought Bent unsettled the balance of the team when he came on. Weimann is worth his weight in gold. It's only half time.
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Going forward we can create chances and if the Bradford keeper hadn't played out of his skin we would probably have won 4 or 5 - 3.
But we need to fix the defence - and quickly, because we are far too fragile far too often.
Their keeper didn't play out of his skin. For us to have scored more goals their keeper would have had to actually jump out of the way of the ball. Pretty much every shot went directly at him.
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The players are poor, no doubt, but they don't appear even remotely organised, either. They're all over the place, all over the pitch. That's a coaching issue, and that's Lambert's responsibility. They're not improving in any way I can see, and in fact are getting markedly worse. That's Lambert's responsibility, too.
I don't think he's a very good manager.
Me either. In fact he's the worst manager we've had since McNeill in my opinion.
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Abysmal. We don't go anywhere with this midfiled, that is the weakest I have seen ever. Plus, we were spineless and clueless. One of the worst day with the Villa that I can remember.
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For me, Bennett isn't good enough. Had their keeper not played a blinder, and Benteke had his shooting boots on, we'd have won comfortably. They scored totally against the run of play, and held it to half time. We should have scored again whilst on top, but didn't. N'zogbia was very lively. Thought Bent unsettled the balance of the team when he came on. Weimann is worth his weight in gold. It's only half time.
Not sure about the balance of the team but bennett is defo not good enough... Rest is about right.
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We created bucket loads of chances. It was the defending, the leadership and the organisation that was the problem
Not capitalising on chances is so bloody frustrating especially when our defense and midfield are in such disorder.
We were absolutely terrible under McNeil for that season but the last few weeks have been on par. I thought it was a freak period, maybe not, I don't know anymore. I think if only Benteke would have buried the 2 headers and it would have looked so different, but he didn't, fucking hell.
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Bradford absolutely deserved to beat us and were in no way flattered by the scoreline.
Yet again, the defence looked utterly hopeless. Yet again, the midfield were clueless and were completely bossed by the opposition.
That's the worst Villa midfield I've seen since....erm...1986-1987. Relegation would be no surprise at all now.
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We've become the laughing stock of the football league. It's an absolute disgrace. I don't know where to start to be honest, we aren't good enough at board level, managerial level or playing level. The whole lot can just f*ck off tomorrow as far as I'm concerned.
As a side note the players didn't even applaud the 4,600 Villa fans there tonight at the end of the game. Wankers.
Have to agree with you, I don't know who to blame or rage at, a lot of people have come and gone over the last few years at Villa but the one constant is Lerner, I'm starting to realise Lerner is not the best owner and I'm starting to lose patience with him....
Lambert was not my first choice as manager but I backed his appointment, but saying that I'm starting to question his leadership..
Lerner was not on that pith tonight. The shite that was need to look at themselves in the mirror. If Lambert fucks the replay up then he should fuck off.
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mr learner your mission if you wish to accept it is to get your cheque book out and use it very soon
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For me, Bennett isn't good enough. Had their keeper not played a blinder, and Benteke had his shooting boots on, we'd have won comfortably. They scored totally against the run of play, and held it to half time. We should have scored again whilst on top, but didn't. N'zogbia was very lively. Thought Bent unsettled the balance of the team when he came on. Weimann is worth his weight in gold. It's only half time.
He didn't play a blinder. He made two or three routine saves.
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There is nothing complicated about it. Our players are not good enough and our manager is not good enough. We have deluded ourselves into thinking that the players which have come up from our academy are better than they are and we have deluded ourselves into thinking the young players Lambert has signed are better than they are.
Exactly and we can only hope that this becomes apparent to the people running and managing Aston Villa, dont hold your breath though
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We are sleep walking our way to relegation. Unless action is taken this month we will be playing Championship football next season. Whoever is supposed to be in charge WAKE UP!
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Abysmal. We don't go anywhere with this midfiled, that is the weakest I have seen ever. Plus, we were spineless and clueless. One of the worst day with the Villa that I can remember.
I agree. We miss the calm that Westwood brings so badly. Bannan without him is a headless chicken, Dleph runs a lot and does fuck all. The wide men tonight are both strikers, so did not instinctively drop into midfield to help out. We need strength, both mental and physical through the middle.
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Utter, utter shit.
You could see Bradford's gameplan as soon as they scored.
But it's fucking stupid playing long balls against a team who come across that style of play in their league pretty much every week.
N'Zogbia also needs to learn how to pass.
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I must say Bennett's performance was one of the worst I've seen in a villa shirt, and I like to think I'm not as prone to the hyperbole of some others!!
I didn't think Delph was as horrific as some said. But you do have to worry when Clark and Bennett are being repeatedly skinned by a player in the fourth division. Bennett barely stopped a cross all game.
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There is always the risk of knee jerk reactions after shit results. However, when you suffer a series of shit results surely it stops becoming a knee jerk reaction and more a statement that some kind of action is required.
If Lambert can't see the following then he must have shit in his eyes.
1. That isn't a back four... it's a fucking catastrophe
2. Benteke although a beast is an abysmal defender, leave him on the half way line.. they might leave a centre back with him one less for 1 above to fuck up against!
3. Midfield an abomination, i can't put into words how I feel about them, but there isn't much complimentary.
I'll give some credit to N'Zogbia tonight though, it's the 1st time i've seen him look mildly interesting in playing for us.
10 out of 10 to Bradford, they spotted early on we can't defend crosses and they made us pay. We deserved what we got.
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Very upset and hurt after that, so trying my best not to overeact, but tonight is a watershed for me. It is painfully clear that a number of the players just aren't good enough and some of those that do have the ability just have no desire at all. The fact that we had just got back into the game at 2-1 and then Benteke just allows his man a free header off a set piece sums it up for me.
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Bet the Southampton players are as excited as the Bradford lot with the thought of playing us on the weekend
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CNZ - absolute wanker. Thinks he's Messi when I reckon I've played against better players on a Sunday morning. PASS THE FUCKING BALL YOU GREEDY TWAT! The quicker he's got rid of the better.
I hope I never see him in a Villa shirt again. A complete and utter twat!
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Delph contributes nothing in midfield other than a succession of rash challenges.
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We've become the laughing stock of the football league. It's an absolute disgrace. I don't know where to start to be honest, we aren't good enough at board level, managerial level or playing level. The whole lot can just f*ck off tomorrow as far as I'm concerned.
As a side note the players didn't even applaud the 4,600 Villa fans there tonight at the end of the game. Wankers.
Have to agree with you, I don't know who to blame or rage at, a lot of people have come and gone over the last few years at Villa but the one constant is Lerner, I'm starting to realise Lerner is not the best owner and I'm starting to lose patience with him....
Lambert was not my first choice as manager but I backed his appointment, but saying that I'm starting to question his leadership..
We've become the laughing stock of the football league. It's an absolute disgrace. I don't know where to start to be honest, we aren't good enough at board level, managerial level or playing level. The whole lot can just f*ck off tomorrow as far as I'm concerned.
As a side note the players didn't even applaud the 4,600 Villa fans there tonight at the end of the game. Wankers.
Have to agree with you, I don't know who to blame or rage at, a lot of people have come and gone over the last few years at Villa but the one constant is Lerner, I'm starting to realise Lerner is not the best owner and I'm starting to lose patience with him....
Lambert was not my first choice as manager but I backed his appointment, but saying that I'm starting to question his leadership..
We've become the laughing stock of the football league. It's an absolute disgrace. I don't know where to start to be honest, we aren't good enough at board level, managerial level or playing level. The whole lot can just f*ck off tomorrow as far as I'm concerned.
As a side note the players didn't even applaud the 4,600 Villa fans there tonight at the end of the game. Wankers.
Have to agree with you, I don't know who to blame or rage at, a lot of people have come and gone over the last few years at Villa but the one constant is Lerner, I'm starting to realise Lerner is not the best owner and I'm starting to lose patience with him....
Lambert was not my first choice as manager but I backed his appointment, but saying that I'm starting to question his leadership..
no leadership at any level, we are fucked.
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I'm not worried about whether we'll get relegated anymore, I'm wondering how far we cound drop through the leagues with randy in charge.
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Are there any among us who really think we can turn this around in the second leg? Other than being handed a huge slice of luck, and another huge slice of luck, we've got no chance. And I base this on our consistent inability to defend and / or convincingly win football matches these last three years.
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FFS why do I care so much when to all extent and purposes the players and the manager don't appear to?
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Can anyone remember a poorer back 4 than we have now? Not one of one players is fit for Aston Villa's team. If we continue with this defence we WILL go down (in my opinion).
Lerner is dragging us down. It's time the fans told him what we think.
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The players are poor, no doubt, but they don't appear even remotely organised, either. They're all over the place, all over the pitch. That's a coaching issue, and that's Lambert's responsibility. They're not improving in any way I can see, and in fact are getting markedly worse. That's Lambert's responsibility, too.
I don't think he's a very good manager.
Bang on the money.
At the very least we should be organised to,play like a team.
We are a disorganised, ill disciplined footballing rabble.
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We've now conceded 8,4,3,2,1,3 in consecutive games. I think the defensive horror show was in part down to the lack of protection from midfield, which I think was a tactical mistake. But even so, it was individually shocking.
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What happened tonight is that everything that went wrong for us did, everything that went right for them did... along with horrendous defending from set pieces. Not that I'll kneejerk like the usual people, we actually were the better team. We were on top for most of the game and I have no idea how they kept making save after save not letting us score. They did not look threatening really, apart from the goals they hit the bar that's it. We did not play badly, just poor defending yet again cost us.
I still think we can overturn a 2 goal deficit, however the pressure will be on which might make it tougher... what I'm even more worried about now is the game on Saturday - what will a defeat tonight do to our confidence? It's a massive game.
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The good news, the club has a plan: We have those flags to wave for the 2nd leg. Priorities, priorities...
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FFS why do I care so much when to all extent and purposes the players and the manager don't appear to?
The chairman certainly doesn't. He's the cause of all the problems at Villa, and has got away with murder over the last 3 years while the managers take all the stick.
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The players are poor, no doubt, but they don't appear even remotely organised, either. They're all over the place, all over the pitch. That's a coaching issue, and that's Lambert's responsibility. They're not improving in any way I can see, and in fact are getting markedly worse. That's Lambert's responsibility, too.
I don't think he's a very good manager.
Sadly, the comparisons with Pubehead are close to the truth, he only has Plan A - Gung-ho!
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I can't understand everyone wanting to get rid of Lambert.... get a grip he has had to change the whole team.
Did you think we were able to do that without severely encountering major issues?
I doubt fans will give him the time he needs for the major overhaul. So lets replace him get a quick fix but not actually progress is that the answer?
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CNZ - absolute wanker. Thinks he's Messi when I reckon I've played against better players on a Sunday morning. PASS THE FUCKING BALL YOU GREEDY TWAT! The quicker he's got rid of the better.
I hope I never see him in a Villa shirt again. A complete and utter twat!
He was behind pretty much all our best moments and was the only player to look Premier League standard in my opinion.
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Embarrassing, we just lost 3-1 to a division 4 side!
No passion, guts or determination.
And Lambert looks like he has not got a clue, I can see a defeat on Saturday on the horizon
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For me, Bennett isn't good enough. Had their keeper not played a blinder, and Benteke had his shooting boots on, we'd have won comfortably. They scored totally against the run of play, and held it to half time. We should have scored again whilst on top, but didn't. N'zogbia was very lively. Thought Bent unsettled the balance of the team when he came on. Weimann is worth his weight in gold. It's only half time.
He didn't play a blinder. He made two or three routine saves.
I thought he did. He'll need to have another in two weeks.
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Surely our lowest ebb. can't be long until the aston vanilla gags start again.
Can't see us keeping a clean sheet in the second leg
what a nightmare
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We are the whipping boys. I didn't think we could get worse than last season but we are. Its depressing that there's no revival anywhere in sight.
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Not sure where we go now. This club is going down. Shocking management, shocking players.
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I am thinking Bent is down with a groin injury, although it looked like he was holding his knee. He took a shot in the groin from the defender when he went up for the header and the announcer was talking about him being embarrassed.
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The worst players tonight were Bennett Bannan and Benteke.
They all failed to do the basic job they are employed to do.
Bennett can not defend or pass
Bannan can not pass and gave the ball awway all the time
Benteke had gilt edge chances to score and he looked disinterested
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Never seen so many poor performances and I could talk about how bad each player is.
However, I will pick on Delph.
As far as I can see, he can't do the following:
Tackle
Pass
Run
Position himself correctly
Head
He can do the following:
Get booked
I thought Hutton & Warnock were bad, but I'd happily take Warnock in midfield over this twonk.
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CNZ - absolute wanker. Thinks he's Messi when I reckon I've played against better players on a Sunday morning. PASS THE FUCKING BALL YOU GREEDY TWAT! The quicker he's got rid of the better.
I hope I never see him in a Villa shirt again. A complete and utter twat!
He was behind pretty much all our best moments and was the only player to look Premier League standard in my opinion.
I agree, I found those comments very odd. He was our standout player by an absolutely mile
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Bet the Southampton players are as excited as the Bradford lot with the thought of playing us on the weekend
I bet Millwall can't wait either.
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FFS why do I care so much when to all extent and purposes the players and the manager don't appear to?
The chairman certainly doesn't. He's the cause of all the problems at Villa, and has got away with murder over the last 3 years while the managers take all the stick.
Who says that the players and manager don't care?
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And where the fuck is Vlaar??? we need him back in the defense desperately.
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Cack.
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The players are poor, no doubt, but they don't appear even remotely organised, either. They're all over the place, all over the pitch. That's a coaching issue, and that's Lambert's responsibility. They're not improving in any way I can see, and in fact are getting markedly worse. That's Lambert's responsibility, too.
I don't think he's a very good manager.
Sadly, the comparisons with Pubehead are close to the truth, he only has Plan A - Gung-ho!
I'd say you couldn't be more wrong.
How many different formations has PL tried out? He's tried different things throughout his time here so far and the only one that worked carried us through our only good spell, put to an end by Chelsea, then he totally changed it tonight.
4-4-2 tonight would've seen us through, but he played some bizarre formation for the first time and players looked confused (almost as much as PL).
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And where the fuck is Vlaar??? we need him back in the defense desperately.
Oh how we could do with him and Dunne at the moment.
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CNZ - absolute wanker. Thinks he's Messi when I reckon I've played against better players on a Sunday morning. PASS THE FUCKING BALL YOU GREEDY TWAT! The quicker he's got rid of the better.
I hope I never see him in a Villa shirt again. A complete and utter twat!
He was behind pretty much all our best moments and was the only player to look Premier League standard in my opinion.
I agree, I found those comments very odd. He was our standout player by an absolutely mile
Again I cant understand the comments about Nzogbia? I thought he was one of our best players tonight
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CNZ is the most pointless player in the world in my opinion. Doesn't pass and doesn't shoot. Just simply dribbles with the ball until he gets tackled. Yes he may beat one or two players but he eventually gives the ball away every time.
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What happened tonight is that everything that went wrong for us did, everything that went right for them did... along with horrendous defending from set pieces. Not that I'll kneejerk like the usual people, we actually were the better team. We were on top for most of the game and I have no idea how they kept making save after save not letting us score. They did not look threatening really, apart from the goals they hit the bar that's it. We did not play badly, just poor defending yet again cost us.
I still think we can overturn a 2 goal deficit, however the pressure will be on which might make it tougher... what I'm even more worried about now is the game on Saturday - what will a defeat tonight do to our confidence? It's a massive game.
This was against an average league 2 side. We looked wide open everytime they came forward and at set pieces you can put money on us conceding. There is a trend emerging here we can't keep a clean sheet against anyone that makes it so much easier for the opposition. Soton will know before they walk out at VP on Saturday that they will score. Unless there are serious personnel changes this month watch us fall into the bottom 3 very quickly and stay there.
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Is it just me or is there a lot of overreaction. Bradford must be doing well to get this far and they have have just knocked Arsenal out. Bradford's keeper wins man of the match and the majority are saying how crap we were.
True, but if you can't match any team, at what ever level you or they play, in the desire to win the ball when it's crossed into the box then you are going to struggle. Clark moves like he has lead in his boots, when you think that he should be the one giving the leadership in that defence, it's frightening.
The blame lays with Lambert / Lerner for putting us it the position where we are reliant on these young players.
This team doesn't come anywhere close to the team in 94..
We desperately need some leadership, but I can't see any sign that it will be coming.
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Is it just me or is there a lot of overreaction. Bradford must be doing well to get this far and they have have just knocked Arsenal out. Bradford's keeper wins man of the match and the majority are saying how crap we were.
Oh, actually on reflection, I think you're right. Let's crack another bottle of champagne
Just how bad does it have to get for us to be justified in 'over-reacting' on here?????
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You watch. We'll win the second leg 4-2 where they'll score in the 90th minute and take the game into ET. Neither team will score and we'll go out on away goals.
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I would say the defence wouldn't be too bad if they had some protection from midfield... they had precisely none. Most of the balls failed to find their target - with just routine passes. Bennett not good. Bannan not good.
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I'll stick up for Zoggy too played ok had shots on target beat his man..what we brought him to do.
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CNZ - absolute wanker. Thinks he's Messi when I reckon I've played against better players on a Sunday morning. PASS THE FUCKING BALL YOU GREEDY TWAT! The quicker he's got rid of the better.
I hope I never see him in a Villa shirt again. A complete and utter twat!
He was behind pretty much all our best moments and was the only player to look Premier League standard in my opinion.
I agree, I found those comments very odd. He was our standout player by an absolutely mile
Again I cant understand the comments about Nzogbia? I thought he was one of our best players tonight
He was. They should've given him the ball more than what they did. They only player Bradford were in panic about when he got the ball.
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CNZ is the most pointless player in the world in my opinion. Doesn't pass and doesn't shoot. Just simply dribbles with the ball until he gets tackled. Yes he may beat one or two players but he eventually gives the ball away every time.
Normally I'd agree, but he had his moments tonight, and was the only player trying to move the ball forward with purpose instead of twatting it up the pitch and crossing his fingers.
It's hard to say anyone really did well tonight, but he was the best of a bad bunch.
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Cries. Sobs. Opens Duvel. Dreads tomorrow at work.
We'll do a Tranmere.
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Is it just me or is there a lot of overreaction. Bradford must be doing well to get this far and they have have just knocked Arsenal out. Bradford's keeper wins man of the match and the majority are saying how crap we were.
Oh, actually on reflection, I think you're right. Let's crack another bottle of champagne
Just how bad does it have to get for us to be justified in 'over-reacting' on here?????
I'm the biggest critic of the "Rita Hayworth" end of the world over reaction of the match thread but really, to see a non-plussed, static defence mirrored by a non-plussed static manager was rather hard to take.
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Embarrassing, we just lost 3-1 to a division 4 side!
No passion, guts or determination.
And Lambert looks like he has not got a clue, I can see a defeat on Saturday on the horizon
Of course he's got a clue. Every manager we get the line get's trotted out eventually: "He hasn't got a clue!" It'll happen with the next manager and the next manager and the next...
Yes, where we are at the moment is frustrating but at some point we need to give the manager time, we can't keep sacking and starting all over again. Lambert has earned the right to have a fair crack at the Villa job. He's served his apprenticeship well and has proved he can build and motivate teams to success. To say he hasn't a clue is ridiculous.
Maybe it would have been better for Lambert if he had thrown the earlier match v Man City then he would have avoided the raised expectations and anger of some of our fans now? Houllier knew what he was doing after all!
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What happened tonight is that everything that went wrong for us did, everything that went right for them did... along with horrendous defending from set pieces. Not that I'll kneejerk like the usual people, we actually were the better team. We were on top for most of the game and I have no idea how they kept making save after save not letting us score. They did not look threatening really, apart from the goals they hit the bar that's it. We did not play badly, just poor defending yet again cost us.
I still think we can overturn a 2 goal deficit, however the pressure will be on which might make it tougher... what I'm even more worried about now is the game on Saturday - what will a defeat tonight do to our confidence? It's a massive game.
There were lots of things we did do right.
We created chances, we passed the ball well, we managed to not give it away for long periods. Those are some of the things we did well.
The problem is that, yet again, we defended feebly, and if you defend like that, then the good stuff you do doesn't count for shit any more.
We were at 2-1 and had 7 minutes plus injury time to hold out, and we couldn't manage even that.
If you think it's just the usual people kneejerking, then you can't really have read much of the thread. I've defended Lambert to the hilt, and still think the best thing to do is not to sack him, but i can't sit here and pretend that that result wasn't humiliating or predictable, because it was both.
What we had was a chance to win this game, after winning against Ipswich, and go into a crucial six pointer with Southampton full of confidence. We now look even less condifent than we were after Wigan. We've blown it.
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For the younger lads here, I saw every game in the relegation year of 86/87.
Yes, this seasons defence is worse.
A lot worse.
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Does anybody remember what actually happened to Vlaar? I'm just asking because my dad had a heart attack and a triple bypass and was back at work (a physically demanding job, by the way) after 8 weeks. As far as I know, Vlaar has a sore calf and has been out longer than that.
The choice is simple. Either he's going to play soon, or we need a replacement who can't look at anything over knee height without flinging his forehead at it.
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CNZ is the most pointless player in the world in my opinion. Doesn't pass and doesn't shoot. Just simply dribbles with the ball until he gets tackled. Yes he may beat one or two players but he eventually gives the ball away every time.
Apart from when he set up Gabby's chance, shot for Bent's chance? I thought apart from Benteke's flick ons he was our biggest attacking threat.
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No way will I be paying my hard earned money into the pockets of those overpaid tossers anymore! Spineless, weak and pathetic! Wake up Lerner else we'll go down!
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CNZ is the most pointless player in the world in my opinion. Doesn't pass and doesn't shoot. Just simply dribbles with the ball until he gets tackled. Yes he may beat one or two players but he eventually gives the ball away every time.
Apart from when he set up Gabby's chance, shot for Bent's chance? I thought apart from Benteke's flick ons he was our biggest attacking threat.
But he holds on to the ball for far too long. Several times that happened tonight, and it is something which seems a feature of his game.
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Is it just me or is there a lot of overreaction. Bradford must be doing well to get this far and they have have just knocked Arsenal out. Bradford's keeper wins man of the match and the majority are saying how crap we were.
Oh, actually on reflection, I think you're right. Let's crack another bottle of champagne
Just how bad does it have to get for us to be justified in 'over-reacting' on here?????
The fact that we are still in the semi final while rebuilding the whole team is an achievement for me.
If someone had said we would be 3-1 down with the home leg to come in the semi final of the cup a few months ago I would have taken that.
Okay our League position is precarious but after the fucks ups with MON, Houllier and McLeish it was never going to be an overnight fix.
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You watch. We'll win the second leg 4-2 where they'll score in the 90th minute and take the game into ET. Neither team will score and we'll go out on away goals.
TV if your saying that we are fucked! You was my only hope.
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The good news, the club has a plan: We have those flags to wave for the 2nd leg. Priorities, priorities...
Those flags should be set on fire and thrown on the pitch
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It's half time and we're two down. Get behind the lads, get Villa Park rocking (even if the opposition score an early goal) and keep with the manager and players. All the pressure is now on Bradford - we have nothing to lose.
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N'Zogbia was one of our better players. Our midfield and defence is worse than amateur.
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Embarrassing, we just lost 3-1 to a division 4 side!
No passion, guts or determination.
And Lambert looks like he has not got a clue, I can see a defeat on Saturday on the horizon
Of course he's got a clue. Every manager we get the line get's trotted out eventually: "He hasn't got a clue!" It'll happen with the next manager and the next manager and the next...
Yes, where we are at the moment is frustrating but at some point we need to give the manager time, we can't keep sacking and starting all over again. Lambert has earned the right to have a fair crack at the Villa job. He's served his apprenticeship well and has proved he can build and motivate teams to success. To say he hasn't a clue is ridiculous.
Maybe it would have been better for Lambert if he had thrown the earlier match v Man City then he would have avoided the raised expectations and anger of some of our fans now? Houllier knew what he was doing after all!
Well said
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CNZ is the most pointless player in the world in my opinion. Doesn't pass and doesn't shoot. Just simply dribbles with the ball until he gets tackled. Yes he may beat one or two players but he eventually gives the ball away every time.
Normally I'd agree, but he had his moments tonight, and was the only player trying to move the ball forward with purpose instead of twatting it up the pitch and crossing his fingers.
It's hard to say anyone really did well tonight, but he was the best of a bad bunch.
I'm sorry but I don't agree. I remember CNZ having one decent shot in the first half and even then he held onto the ball for too long. Also why did we decided to try pointless diagonal long balls all night? There was zero urgency and the only time we kept the ball was when we were in our own third. And even then we were passing it around like we were 3-0. Just so so bad.
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Anyone recall the last time we won a televised match? I can't think of a single one since Darren Bent's debut against Man City 2years ago! What chance of us in the return ?
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I'm really not looking forward to work tomorrow or to seeing my mates at the weekend. Luckily I won't be able to follow the Soton game.
I still can't get over how bad bennett was. I know I keep saying it. But jesus christ. I'd like to think I could make a better fist of defending than he did tonight.
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I don't know why everyone is hanging their hat on the return of Vlaar. He ain't that bloody good, and he's certainly no Macca, Laursen or Evans. Infact, I'd say he ain't much better than Collins. I'd much rather have a fired up Dunne back.
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It's half time and we're two down. Get behind the lads, get Villa Park rocking (even if the opposition score an early goal) and keep with the manager and players. All the pressure is now on Bradford - we have nothing to lose.
Of course, and every fan has that belief. But after tonight, I don't believe that the players or manager do, God how I hope I am wrong.
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A very nasty atmosphere up here tonight.
Appalling. Not a great deal to say. Benteke wants shooting. How many chances can you miss? And to let the Bradford player run off him for the third. Fuck me what rotten, piss poor fucking defending. Bring the lube as Ricky Lambert will rape us from set pieces.
The manager has a lot to answer for. The system was woeful. Qhere was the cover for
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If this was Lambert's team I could point the finger but it's not his fault he's been left with this rabble. He showed at Norwich what he can build with little money and given time to build. Sadly I'm starting to think our time is running out as unless we get vlaar and dunne back soon and keep them fit until the end of the season, this defence stands no chance of keeping us up imo. Plus we desperately need 2 central midfielders who can pass.
I think I would give serious consideration to taking a draw if given it now ahead of Saturday's game. That's how desperate things have become. It's Southampton at home ffs...
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The point is we should not be holding out against a team of this quality. They knew every set piece was an opportunity there was an expectation we would concede. That sort of weakness takes a lot of rectifying if indeed it can be with the current players we have.
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Bradford snuck wins against Arsenal & Wigan by shutting up shop and defending for their lives. They just plain went at us and competed.
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Bradford snuck wins against Arsenal & Wigan by shutting up shop and defending for their lives. They just plain went at us and competed.
How depressing because its true...
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I'm going to bed, its all getting a bit Kurt Cobain.
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CNZ is the most pointless player in the world in my opinion. Doesn't pass and doesn't shoot. Just simply dribbles with the ball until he gets tackled. Yes he may beat one or two players but he eventually gives the ball away every time.
Normally I'd agree, but he had his moments tonight, and was the only player trying to move the ball forward with purpose instead of twatting it up the pitch and crossing his fingers.
It's hard to say anyone really did well tonight, but he was the best of a bad bunch.
I'm sorry but I don't agree. I remember CNZ having one decent shot in the first half and even then he held onto the ball for too long. Also why did we decided to try pointless diagonal long balls all night? There was zero urgency and the only time we kept the ball was when we were in our own third. And even then we were passing it around like we were 3-0. Just so so bad.
He also put the ball on a plate for Gabby and it was his shot in the 2nd half that the keeper couldn't hold that Bent headed over the bar.
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Clark as a centre back just isn't working either
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More important than the embarassment tonight is the fact that we're destined for the drop! Wake up Lerner!
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From the team and formation, Gabby, Benteke, Weimann and N'Zogbia all being forward players, it's clear that Lambert wanted to finish the tie tonight. It failed but by Christ we had some chances. They scored with their first chance and then had something to latch on to.
We've rightly hammered the defence and midfield but Benteke and Bent missed absolute sitters which would have completely transformed the momentum and atmosphere.
the commentators and pundits were talking about Premier League finishing against League two finishing but Villa were poor up front. You cannot miss those chances and expect to win games.
I like Benteke but he's very, very raw still. Weimann appears to be the best finisher at the club.
Oh, balls, is there anything that is right about this bastard team?
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Listened to lambert on talksport and he sounded as passionate and inspiring as a dirty dishcloth!
He looked clueless sitting on the bench and I'm expecting saints to hammer us - worst villa team in my 35 years watching - and I was a season tickrt holder in 86 too.
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A very nasty atmosphere up here tonight.
Appalling. Not a great deal to say. Benteke wants shooting. How many chances can you miss? And to let the Bradford player run off him for the third. Fuck me what rotten, piss poor fucking defending. Bring the lube as Ricky Lambert will rape us from set pieces.
The manager has a lot to answer for. The system was woeful. Qhere was the cover for
I don't understand why we just don't stick Benteke at the front post like MON did with Carew so majority of underhit corners were just cleared.
He lost the Wigan player for the goal we conceded from the corner so a liability at defending set pieces.
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If this was Lambert's team I could point the finger but it's not his fault he's been left with this rabble. He showed at Norwich what he can build with little money and given time to build. Sadly I'm starting to think our time is running out as unless we get vlaar and dunne back soon and keep them fit until the end of the season, this defence stands no chance of keeping us up imo. Plus we desperately need 2 central midfielders who can pass.
I think I would give serious consideration to taking a draw if given it now ahead of Saturday's game. That's how desperate things have become. It's Southampton at home ffs...
It is his team though, he chose this squad, it is not good enough and a third through the transfer window and he has still not addressed the obviuos problems
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Well this team is finding new and improved ways of suprising me in the way one is suprised to find a turd in one's cereal bowl.
Awful, dispirited, slovenly, tentative shite. Unacceptable.
Christmas has kicked the shit out of this team and they're not getting over it.
The confidence is shattered. Every ball that goes into our box now is like a hand grenade. There is little cohesion in what is happening from the middle in either direction.
I'm not one for drama but immediate and decisive action in the transfer market is required. If only to take some of these kids out of the firing line.
I dont believe the tie is done with by the way but fuck me we have to do things the hard way as usual.
Get to it Mr Lambert. You've been pretty much brilliant in your career so far. Remind us why.
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Anyone recall the last time we won a televised match? I can't think of a single one since Darren Bent's debut against Man City 2years ago! What chance of us in the return ?
Reading at home.
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From the team and formation, Gabby, Benteke, Weimann and N'Zogbia all being forward players, it's clear that Lambert wanted to finish the tie tonight. It failed but by Christ we had some chances. They scored with their first chance and then had something to latch on to.
We've rightly hammered the defence and midfield but Benteke and Bent missed absolute sitters which would have completely transformed the momentum and atmosphere.
the commentators and pundits were talking about Premier League finishing against League two finishing but Villa were poor up front. You cannot miss those chances and expect to win games.
I like Benteke but he's very, very raw still. Weimann appears to be the best finisher at the club.
Oh, balls, is there anything that is right about this bastard team?
Well, the goalkeeping section is okay. Everything ahead of that's a bit shaky though. And I say a bit shaky in the same way that the Titanic had a bit of a leak.
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Shocked end of
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Villa make me sad.
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Has Lambert come out with his catchphrase yet?
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This isn't Lamberts team?
Jeez, it ain't far off though. As I said before, if he doesn't bring reinforcements to the spine of the side in the next three weeks then he deserves the sack.
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Mate text me after the match saying, Tranmere Rovers 1994. Difference is we had a bloody good side then, not a bunch of kids and no marks, barely good enough for the Championship. A total embarrassment. Feel sorry for anyone who paid to go watch it.
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This isn't Lamberts team?
Jeez, it ain't far off though. As I said before, if he doesn't bring reinforcements to the spine of the side in the next three weeks then he deserves the sack.
Or randy needs to fuck off
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Whoa! We created a load of chances before their extremely flukey first goal. Then we came out second half and missed a load of further good chances with their keeper playing out of his skin. In all honesty we should have realistically been two goals up at half time. Looked as though we could score at will. They played very well and looked anything but a League 2 side. That happens. Our defence lets us down again and again. Normal cup game with the little guy getting the breaks and the big guy getting the runaround. It's happened to bigger teams than us and we still have time to turn it around. Fear not.
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I m sorry to say it, but sack him. This a League two team ffs. How have we got 8 days into the window without buying anyone? With the worst defence I ve ever seen at Villa in 30 years.
Sorry for my ignorance, but could you clarify who you are referring to as a League Two team?
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2 weeks to save the club. 2 defenders and 2 midfielders in. Experience and grit a requirement. Othwerwise we are down and doomed. This is as bad as I can remember given the money at stake in the PL next season and our financial position today.
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We can also forget the farcical comments about playing kids. These ain't kids, they're generally 22+ & have been pros for a good few years!
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Don't want to talk about the team. Just want to say how brilliant the fans were tonight.
What a following, made me proud. Through thick and thin no matters who's in the shirt, week in and out regardless the only thing that doesn't change. Amazing
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Thank fuck I've got a free day tomorrow because I'm going to get plastered attempting to forget that happened.
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I don't know why everyone is hanging their hat on the return of Vlaar. He ain't that bloody good, and he's certainly no Macca, Laursen or Evans. Infact, I'd say he ain't much better than Collins. I'd much rather have a fired up Dunne back.
it must be just a coincidence that since he's got injured we've got worse especially from defending. each time there's a corner we look so vulnerable.
I would like to see Dunne back too as it would instill maybe more confidence from having to defend.
All's not over though, but I would feel much better if it was just 2-1. I still think they'll come at us, a 2 goal lead is more of comfortable lead. We need to slice them up again but actually score when should have.
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Call me crazy but I still think well go through
Crazy, but I agree with you...
Delusional, I would say and based on performances on the pitch not a cat in hells chance of going through, which is probably a blessing in disguise.
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So sad to see Villa as poor as this, I am trying to stick with the Lambert project but fear is setting in, I dread to think what Saints will do to us, senior defenders in quick plus at least one midfield leader or I think we're sunk.
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I m sorry to say it, but sack him. This a League two team ffs. How have we got 8 days into the window without buying anyone? With the worst defence I ve ever seen at Villa in 30 years.
Sorry for my ignorance, but could you clarify who you are referring to as a League Two team?
We are a league two team playing in the prem...
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2 weeks to save the club. 2 defenders and 2 midfielders in. Experience and grit a requirement. Othwerwise we are down and doomed. This is as bad as I can remember given the money at stake in the PL next season and our financial position today.
Yep. If Mr Learner is doing this to make a buck, he needs to speculate, to accumulate! Get some experience in. Pay what it costs, pay the wages, or risk losing a small fortune of TV money next season!
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Call me crazy but I still think well go through
Crazy, but I agree with you...
Delusional, I would say and based on performances on the pitch not a cat in hells chance of going through, which is probably a blessing in disguise.
Lets face it, delusions are all we have left.
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I m sorry to say it, but sack him. This a League two team ffs. How have we got 8 days into the window without buying anyone? With the worst defence I ve ever seen at Villa in 30 years.
Sorry for my ignorance, but could you clarify who you are referring to as a League Two team?
We are a league two team playing in the prem...
On that showing that's ambitious.
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We can also forget the farcical comments about playing kids. These ain't kids, they're generally 22+ & have been pros for a good few years!
22, 23 + is still pretty young, especially when the average age of your team is under 24.
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21 pages already in time it took me o drive back to the hotel!
We really are shit. Three corners and 3 goals.
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Lambert has 2 weeks to swallow his pride and get 2 defenders and a holding midfield player in, because if we don't this side will ship too many fucking goals to stay up.
Fuck the results over Christmas, this is true, true humiliation tonight.
Lambert has a lot to do. And fast.
Get a fucking grip! Their keeper kept them in it, and it's only half time! ;)
Thanks chap. Feel better now.
I (think) he is taking the piss.
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I see better defending over the local park. What do they do all week at Bodymoor ??
Fair play to Bradford they deserve Wembley .
Thank god I'm not in the office tomorrow .
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I fear the 3rd goal will be crucial tbh.
Thinking ahead we could be 3-0 up or 4-1 up near the end of extra time which in normal circumstances would be a fairly comfortable passage through but instead it will be biting fingernails time as another goal would sent Bradford to Wembley.
To me it's 2-0 after 120 minutes or bust.
The defence needs sorting as it shouldn't be impossible to keep a clean sheet at home to Bradford, I would consider bringing Guzan back for a start as it didn't shock me we looked a mess at corners with Given in tonight.
Another point, can any new signings we might make actually be able to play in the second leg? I'm sure in the FA cup if you don't register them before the first tie, they can't play in the replay either?
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How we laughed two years ago. The Blues had just lost at West Ham after a Foster blunder in the first leg. They turned it around at the sty.
No reason we can't do it (except the relegation bit)
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ok here's my take on it. Its down to Lambert. If we are not playing with confidence, you have to make sure you don't come away with anything less than a draw. So Its a div 4 side. Play 4 at the back and 4 in midfield. 2 up front. That way even a 1-0 defeat sets us up for the return leg. Don't under any circumstance leave our back 4 exposed. So make sure we have at least 6 defensively minded players on the park. I wouldn't count Delph, although I thought he was our best player, he was at least trying to hold his position and not just play the long ball. Nor would I count Bannan as defensively minded. So I think we had the back 4 and the rest was attack. The thing is 3 of them were in a strikers role and CNZ as a natural wide man or behind the strikers. Now we should have passed passed passed ans passed. The only real option for Delph and Bannan was the long ball. Teams like bradford play like that every week. Secondly the long ball, with no midfield following up, all second balls were picked up by the 7 or 8 Bradford players against our 4. Trying to win it by 3 or 4 away from home, which I think he was looking at the line up, well frankly it wasn't going to happen. They were only likely to score from set pieces, which they did with ease. Now what we are left with is a much harder task at VP, which I think we'll do. But the confidence will be shot once again. So PL In my opinion its down to you
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We can also forget the farcical comments about playing kids. These ain't kids, they're generally 22+ & have been pros for a good few years!
The defence and midfield absolutely are kids and it showed. Noone's played more than 50 games. None of our back four had played more than 10 premier league games in their current position before this season
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Aston Villa 2012/13 are a laughing stock, a disgrace, cannon fodder for everyone else.
We may have had more possession than Bradford tonight but they had the heart, desire and they competed.
Words cannot describe the way I feel tonight. This is worse than i felt when walking out of Stamford Bridge. If Lambert is as inept in the dressing room as he appears on TV every week after another loss then it's no wonder that we're going down and going down without a fight.
Utter wankers all of them. Every one who put a Villa shirt on tonight was a fuckin disgrace.
We lost to Bradford who were playing Barnet at the week end.
Shame on you Lambert, shame on every player tonight. Fuckin wankers.
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Mate text me after the match saying, Tranmere Rovers 1994. Difference is we had a bloody good side then, not a bunch of kids and no marks, barely good enough for the Championship. A total embarrassment. Feel sorry for anyone who paid to go watch it.
It's true that we are much worse than the '94 team, however it's also true that Bradford aren't as good as that Tranmere team. If we take our chances better than we did tonight then we still have a chance.
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We can also forget the farcical comments about playing kids. These ain't kids, they're generally 22+ & have been pros for a good few years!
22, 23 + is still pretty young, especially when the average age of your team is under 24.
You know if they're good enough by that age.
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DON'T CANCEL THE HOTEL ROOMS!!! WE WILL BE PLAYING ARSENAL ON THE SATURDAY. For what it's worth, we need an experienced left back, centre mid, centre back in the window along with a striker if Bent does one. Otherwise we'll have an extra hour in the pub to be back home in time for that football league show on BBC 1.
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Gutted!
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Aston Villa 2012/13 are a laughing stock, a disgrace, cannon fodder for everyone else.
We may have had more possession than Bradford tonight but they had the heart, desire and they competed.
Words cannot describe the way I feel tonight. This is worse than i felt when walking out of Stamford Bridge. If Lambert is as inept in the dressing room as he appears on TV every week after another loss then it's no wonder that we're going down and going down without a fight.
Utter wankers all of them. Every one who put a Villa shirt on tonight was a fuckin disgrace.
We lost to Bradford who were playing Barnet at the week end.
Shame on you Lambert, shame on every player tonight. Fuckin wankers.
This.
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Well that was beyond pathetic.
I've backed Lambert up until now but after that shit he's surely only got a couple of games left to save his job. The same bullshit, time and time again, culminating in getting beaten by a team in League 2. Buy some fucking players, sort the defence and midfield out or fuck off.
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This Team are like a Bunch of SmackHeads.....living the dream but fucking Useless in everything they do.
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21 pages already in time it took me o drive back to the hotel!
We really are shit. Three corners and 3 goals.
Feel for you. What a waste of time and money.
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The Tranmere comparisons are irrelevant.
The big difference between that squad & the squad now is experience & quality. Especially when you consider the fact that the 1994 team only a year before were challenging for the league title.
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Aston Villa 2012/13 are a laughing stock, a disgrace, cannon fodder for everyone else.
We may have had more possession than Bradford tonight but they had the heart, desire and they competed.
Words cannot describe the way I feel tonight. This is worse than i felt when walking out of Stamford Bridge. If Lambert is as inept in the dressing room as he appears on TV every week after another loss then it's no wonder that we're going down and going down without a fight.
Utter wankers all of them. Every one who put a Villa shirt on tonight was a fuckin disgrace.
We lost to Bradford who were playing Barnet at the week end.
Shame on you Lambert, shame on every player tonight. Fuckin wankers.
Marry me.
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At Liverpool and Swansea the defence somehow managed to survive the first 20 minutes when they could easily have conceded 4 or 5. We then managed to get our game together and got 2 good results.
Against Chelsea and Spurs our defence looked likely to be breached with every attack and, having gone behind, and as we tried to get back into the game, both teams got the space to tear us a new one. And as for the Wigan game......
One thing is for certain. We need to bring some experience into our defence, particularly the middle, and if its not going to be through the return of Dunne and Vlar then it needs to be via the cheque book. On the flanks Lowton is just about acceptable but Bennet looks to be a liability and its no surprise that a lot of the goals against have come down our left flank. I agree with those that think that even Warnock would do a better job at the moment - and that's saying a lot.
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Who thought a long ball game against a division 4 sidewas the game plan needs shooting.
No midfield so no back 4 protection or help, no wonder they look under pressure.
Bannan - Get in your expensive motor which we've paid for and leave. I dont care where you go just f**k off out of OUR club. Playing with 10 men would be more effective.
OK while i'm on a roll champioship here we come. Dont know if the southampton thread is open yet but another beating is coming and i dont see how lambert is going to change it now, confidence is shot completely.
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DON'T CANCEL THE HOTEL ROOMS!!! WE WILL BE PLAYING ARSENAL ON THE SATURDAY
Ha ha, good advice!
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In defence of Lambert we started both halves very well, clearly the instructions he sent out to the team were working as we should have had 4 goals at least in that time, it was about two minutes into both that we suddenly collapsed and played like a conference team
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In 1994 I felt the 4th goal of the game in the first leg was crucial. I feel the same tonight. I have no confidence whatsoever that this team is capable of turning this round. That in itself is shocking. On their local radio, they were actually taking the piss and saying this was a weakened Bradford side. And as for Lambert, this is the first time I really do question if he is right for us. He is frankly tactically inept, starting Weimann where he did was ridiculous given his goalscoring form, Bannan is awful, Benheskey dire finishing and Bent had a 'my wife could have scored that' moment. Nzog is utterly frustrating. But it is patently obvious to anyone who has functioning eyes that the 4 blokes at the back are simply not good enough and need to be replaced. I am in Vienna for the 2nd leg and I thank Christ I am.
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It is his team though, he chose this squad, it is not good enough and a third through the transfer window and he has still not addressed the obviuos problems
Who else would you have put in the squad?
A third? I suggest you do some maths. In addition, it's not that easy to just sign players.
Was tonight good enough? NO. Is it the end of the world? NO
What on earth do people expect? We're at half time in a cup semi-final. We've had a shit first half but with some composure could easily have been winning by the same margin ourselves.
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Aston Villa 2012/13 are a laughing stock, a disgrace, cannon fodder for everyone else.
We may have had more possession than Bradford tonight but they had the heart, desire and they competed.
Words cannot describe the way I feel tonight. This is worse than i felt when walking out of Stamford Bridge. If Lambert is as inept in the dressing room as he appears on TV every week after another loss then it's no wonder that we're going down and going down without a fight.
Utter wankers all of them. Every one who put a Villa shirt on tonight was a fuckin disgrace.
We lost to Bradford who were playing Barnet at the week end.
Shame on you Lambert, shame on every player tonight. Fuckin wankers.
Marry me.
I want emancipation from this team :-[
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We had enough chances to win tonight and in a one off game at home against div 4 opposition we'd expect not to concede and get at least 2 of our own.
This changes nothing of course. It's now Bradford's tie to lose.
Even on a fairly uneven surface we should have better ideas than lamping it up to Benteke and hoping for a break. There were too many players in the team with less desire than their counterparts.
it was no coincidence that the player who got our goal was one of the few who consistently wanted to get to the ball first.
Sod Coutinho, Svengali and uncle Tom Cobleigh. We need better presence in midfield, a left back and either Vlaar back or a centre half.
Maybe the best plan now would be for us to club together, buy Bradford City and disband the fuckers. It won't help us get clear of the bottom of the table though.
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I think the phrase rhymes with clucking bell.
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What is large has four wheels and goes beep beep beep. The Aston Villa open top bus reversing back into the depot.
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What on earth do people expect? We're at half time in a cup semi-final. We've had a shit first half but with some composure could easily have been winning by the same margin ourselves.
I take your point, there were several things we did well this evening, and should have had the game out of sight.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, it's not that we're 3-1 down halfway through, it's that the same problems which we have seen for a chunk of the season are still there, even when we're playing a league two side.
I can totally live with not reaching the final. Yes, it'd be embarassing, but then again, I'd back either Swansea or Chelsea to have enough to beat us in any case.
It's not that I am worried about, it is that this trajectory of increasing shitness in midfield and a defence who look like they've never met each other before is going to continue to punt us down the league and into the Championship
Defend like we did for the second and third goals - and that's what we've done most of the season - and you get relegated. There's not much getting away from that.
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Didn't even clap the fans. Cherry on the icing on the cake.
Sack every member of the playing staff and management and let's start again like Glasgow Rangers and/ or United FC with people who really care about playing for the founders of the football league, the once proud Aston Villa.
Hurt, embarrassed, devastated and other superlatives.
Wankers and c*nts the fuckin lot of them.
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With apologies to The Pink Floyd, i feel Uncomfortably Numb
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In the lobby waiting for them. No sign of the coach so far. I would have cancelled the rooms and got the fuckers straight back to Bodymoor Heath now.
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Didn't even clap the fans. Cherry on the icing on the cake.
Sack every member of the playing staff and management and let's start again like Glasgow Rangers and/ or United FC with people who really care about playing for the founders of the football league, the once proud Aston Villa.
Hurt, embarrassed, devastated and other superlatives.
Wankers and c*nts the fuckin lot of them.
I think this one wins!
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In the lobby waiting for them. No sign of the coach so far. I would have cancelled the rooms and got the fuckers straight back to Bodymoor Heath now.
They staying in Bradford overnight then? Stay calm and let us know what happens!
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If we are to pull it round - we need Hutton, Warnock and Vlaar to start in defence as any players we bring in are likely to be cup tied.
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Didn't even clap the fans. Cherry on the icing on the cake.
Sack every member of the playing staff and management and let's start again like Glasgow Rangers and/ or United FC with people who really care about playing for the founders of the football league, the once proud Aston Villa.
Hurt, embarrassed, devastated and other superlatives.
Wankers and c*nts the fuckin lot of them.
I would think that the players probably thought the last thing the fans wanted was for them to go over and clap them. Gvien that they were being booed off.
I would think that the players will have felt all of the things that you were feeling, and more besides.
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I'm not part of the Lambert Out faction, but I do think that at some point this month, if the play doesn't improve and we aren't taking points in the league, Lerner will probably give him the flick. In fact, barring some unexpected results against Southampton, West Brom and (sadly) Bradford, I can see Lambert going straight after the second leg.
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A bad night, no mistake.
But!
If you had to stand on the drop floor to the sharks like a Bond film.
Would you stand on the trap door:
Wembley or The Sharks (lose the semi after VP game)
I know where I would stand.
WEMBLEY.
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If we are to pull it round - we need Hutton, Warnock and Vlaar to start in defence as any players we bring in are likely to be cup tied.
We don't need fucking Hutton and Warnock, we need people who can lead and set a good example.
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In the lobby waiting for them.
I hope you've got a couple of bottles of piss ready.
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If we are to pull it round - we need Hutton, Warnock and Vlaar to start in defence as any players we bring in are likely to be cup tied.
We don't need fucking Hutton and Warnock, we need people who can lead and set a good example.
Suggestions? Who won't be cup tied. If this defence starts the 2nd leg, Bradford will score, it will happen.
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A bad night, no mistake.
But!
If you had to stand on the drop floor to the sharks like a Bond film.
Would you stand on the trap door:
Wembley or The Sharks?
I know where I would stand.
WEMBLEY.
Haha, what?
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Embarrassing but not totally surprising, this is how Villa do it. Tactically we were ridiculously open and in my opinion should have gone a solid 4-4-2. Weimann has to play as a striker, he is natural. Defensively a shambles yet again. The captaincy is not helping Clarke and should be taken off him. Who should be capt? That is a major problem - we don't have one.
Strengthen quickly or we will go down.
We can still turn this around however. UTV
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Didn't even clap the fans. Cherry on the icing on the cake.
Sack every member of the playing staff and management and let's start again like Glasgow Rangers and/ or United FC with people who really care about playing for the founders of the football league, the once proud Aston Villa.
Hurt, embarrassed, devastated and other superlatives.
Wankers and c*nts the fuckin lot of them.
I would think that the players probably thought the last thing the fans wanted was for them to go over and clap them. Gvien that they were being booed off.
I would think that the players will have felt all of the things that you were feeling, and more besides.
Agreed, people can't take the players not clapping the fans (although Given and one other did) as a sign of disrespect. As you said they probably thought they were doing us a favour by clearing off.
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Didn't even clap the fans. Cherry on the icing on the cake.
Sack every member of the playing staff and management and let's start again like Glasgow Rangers and/ or United FC with people who really care about playing for the founders of the football league, the once proud Aston Villa.
Hurt, embarrassed, devastated and other superlatives.
Wankers and c*nts the fuckin lot of them.
I would think that the players probably thought the last thing the fans wanted was for them to go over and clap them. Gvien that they were being booed off.
I would think that the players will have felt all of the things that you were feeling, and more besides.
I hear you, but I'm afraid I doubt it. If I did feel that they cared as much as I do it would give me a modicum of comfort.
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What on earth do people expect? We're at half time in a cup semi-final. We've had a shit first half but with some composure could easily have been winning by the same margin ourselves.
I take your point, there were several things we did well this evening, and should have had the game out of sight.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, it's not that we're 3-1 down halfway through, it's that the same problems which we have seen for a chunk of the season are still there, even when we're playing a league two side.
I can totally live with not reaching the final. Yes, it'd be embarassing, but then again, I'd back either Swansea or Chelsea to have enough to beat us in any case.
It's not that I am worried about, it is that this trajectory of increasing shitness in midfield and a defence who look like they've never met each other before is going to continue to punt us down the league and into the Championship
Defend like we did for the second and third goals - and that's what we've done most of the season - and you get relegated. There's not much getting away from that.
I'd agree with you. It's difficult but the only way to become successful with the model that Lerner has decided on is to stick with the manager who has a proven track record at it.
There is a lot of pain being felt right now, for good reason, sometimes though you just need to go through it.
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@AvfcMysteryman: @AVFCStupidlee as I have been saying the ice is thin and Randy is not going to take this! That is why no money for Lambert
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You know what, that's enough.
Say what you like about Lerner not investing enough over the last few transfer windows, if Lambert can't get a better performance out of these players than that, he should fuck off. And take most of these players with him.
100% agree
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It is not over yet, not happy tonight but it is not over.
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@AvfcMysteryman: @AVFCStupidlee as I have been saying the ice is thin and Randy is not going to take this! That is why no money for Lambert
FFS eastie, give it a rest, it's bad enough you regurgitating this bullshit in the transfer thread without spewing it here, too.
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In the lobby waiting for them.
I hope you've got a couple of bottles of piss ready.
If I did that will be twice tonight as some fourth division players have pissed all over them already earlier!
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@AvfcMysteryman: @AVFCStupidlee as I have been saying the ice is thin and Randy is not going to take this! That is why no money for Lambert
Utter claptrap. Turn it in.
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Thought I'd wait a while before I posted anything since it's hard to hit the right keys with clenched fists.
We seriously lack leadership of any kind at the moment. We need some - or at the very least one - experienced pro directing, encouraging, shouting, keeping them positive. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I could see the outcome coming way before it actually did. They played some good stuff and had the bad luck to concede a jammy goal, but immediately they visibly lost confidence. They got geed up in the interval and started well, that is until Bradford scored again. Same thing happens and it deteriorates into frustration and an exhibition of hoofing, which really just amounts to giving the ball away.
We just don't have anyone who can put their foot on the ball and calm things down and give everyone time enough to remember how they should be playing. I don't think Ron can do this, leaving just Dunne if or when he is fit, who might help to a degree, but in reality I believe we must buy someone of this ilk as soon as possible. Sadly, on this showing, it may already be too late.
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Cant pass and move
Cant defend set pieces
Cant win enough 2nd ball
and dont seem to care too much
Cant see it
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Eastie, you promised not to quote that wanker again. Please fucking can it.
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Who thought a long ball game against a division 4 sidewas the game plan needs shooting.
No midfield so no back 4 protection or help, no wonder they look under pressure.
I really thought we'd moved on from the clueless tactics but you're right, who'd have thought.
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Would not be surprised if Lerner pulled the trigger on lambert whatever anyone else thinks, at the end of the day it's lerners money and he stands to lose a fortune if relegated.
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By the way. Didnt like the look of PL's demeanour in the post match interview or indeed during the game. Has he been sacked already?
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Would not be surprised if Lerner pulled the trigger on lambert whatever anyone else thinks, at the end of the day it's lerners money and he stands to lose a fortune if relegated.
When relegated
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Does he have a defensive coach on his staff? If he doesn't, he needs one fast, and if he does he needs sacking. We are conceding the same type of goals every week. It goes much further than inept.
Even average players can be made organised with the right coaching. You watch crosses come into our box through your fingers at the moment. Just awful.
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If.
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Who else would you have put in the squad?
A third? I suggest you do some maths. In addition, it's not that easy to just sign players.
Was tonight good enough? NO. Is it the end of the world? NO
What on earth do people expect? We're at half time in a cup semi-final. We've had a shit first half but with some composure could easily have been winning by the same margin ourselves.
I think what people expect is that with an owner we're all supposed to think highly of, and with a manager who we're all supposed to think highly of, and with a squad of young players who were all supposed to think highly of, we might just be able, without having to rely on luck or our opponents playing badly, to beat a side in League fucking 2. Not too much to fucking ask is it?
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Were herd and holman injured?
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My only consolation is how shit must Ipswich feel losing to us?
OK, so it's not much consolation.
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Division 4. Shocking.
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As others have said, it's not the defeat tonight, because this tie isn't over. It's more that there's been a dawning of realisation - this club really is in the shit. Right now. And people are worried we don't have the people in command who we can rely on to get us out of it before its too late.
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By the way. Didnt like the look of PL's demeanour in the post match interview or indeed during the game. Has he been sacked already?
My demeanor wasn't great after the match either so it's not a massive surprise.
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I wanted lambert but I'm not sure he can turn this around , the last month has been awful and he seems to have lost the inspiration , he looked a shadow of his forever self on the touch line .
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Fuck it, we'll twat them at VP.
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Does he have a defensive coach on his staff? If he doesn't, he needs one fast, and if he does he needs sacking. We are conceding the same type of goals every week. It goes much further than inept.
Even average players can be made organised with the right coaching. You watch crosses come into our box through your fingers at the moment. Just awful.
No we need some players who are good enough, we dont have enough of them.
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Fuck it, we'll twat them at VP.
You go girl! Get in there!
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or the people in the team
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I'm pleased to hear Lambert is aware that once more, we need to go again. Quite where we're going, I'm not sure, but perhaps some of the players should stay there.
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Fuck it, we'll twat them at VP.
Maybe we will but its only papering over the cracks- I'd fear what Chelsea would do to us at Wembley.
We look dreadful and are getting worse.
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Fuck it, we'll twat them at VP.
You go girl! Get in there!
You know it sista!
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Fuck it, we'll twat them at VP.
Maybe we will but its only papering over the cracks- I'd fear what Chelsea would do to us at Wembley.
Why not Swansea?
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hysteria is so much more fun than sober reflection. It's half time; They were at home in front of a packed house that they probably have only experienced once before knowing that this in all probability was their one chance in their careers of glory. They played out of their skins. At VP our lot will be playing for their professional pride and a shot at redemption; they have to give it all and more again and will feel that complacency kicking in - they can't help it. We're the Villa - we've been here before and triumphed.
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I watched that in the pub but was sober due to driving >:(.
We were dire. Midfield were non existant or playing too deep so the only outball from defence was hoof. Nzog ran into blind alleys and lost the ball & Barry "Hollywood" Bannan sprayed passes across the pitch straight to the Bradford players.
The forwards got very little service other than punt and hope towards Bentekke.
Our left side is the obvious weak point and Bradford exploited it at will.
We looked nervous at the back every time they came forwards.
Bradford passed the ball well and fully deserved the result with 2 well taken headers.
Whenever the camera showed Lambert he looked like he had run out of ideas and didn't know what to do next.
Things need sorting NOW before it's too late.
Tranmere mk2 for the 2nd leg.
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We can do it. But we won't.
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Fuck it, we'll twat them at VP.
Maybe we will but its only papering over the cracks- I'd fear what Chelsea would do to us at Wembley.
Why not Swansea?
Because Chelsea will beat Swansea!
Staying up now is the main concern and we look appalling - I cannot see anything but saints beating us.
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Really hurts this.Villa mean so much to all of us and we seem to be nosediving into an abys.So not looking forward to work tomorrow.Anyone else have trouble sleeping worrying about our once proud club? for what it's worth I'd play Stevens at left back, but the options look very limited for Southampton.
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I think at times like this we really need General Krulak to come on here and calm people down with his explanations of where and how Villa are improving.
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hysteria is so much more fun than sober reflection. It's half time; They were at home in front of a packed house that they probably have only experienced once before knowing that this in all probability was their one chance in their careers of glory. They played out of their skins. At VP our lot will be playing for their professional pride and a shot at redemption; they have to give it all and more again and will feel that complacency kicking in - they can't help it. We're the Villa - we've been here before and triumphed.
Once I've sobered up tomorrow, this will be my hope/expectation aswell.
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They played out of their skins.
That's just it: they didn't. They didn't need to.
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As far as Villa cup shockers goes, this is right up there with the worst of them.
The romantic in me says, remember Tranmere 94?
The realist in me tells me that I actually don't think the current team has what it takes to raise it's game and stage the sort of come back.
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Fuck it, we'll twat them at VP.
Maybe we will but its only papering over the cracks- I'd fear what Chelsea would do to us at Wembley.
We look dreadful and are getting worse.
Double fuck it, we'll twat them or Swansea in the final as well.
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I think at times like this we really need General Krulak to come on here and calm people down with his explanations of where and how Villa are improving.
The pies are very, very rarely cold now.
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Fuck it, we'll twat them at VP.
Maybe we will but its only papering over the cracks- I'd fear what Chelsea would do to us at Wembley.
Why not Swansea?
Because Chelsea will beat Swansea!
Just like they should have beaten QPR?
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@AvfcMysteryman: @AVFCStupidlee as I have been saying the ice is thin and Randy is not going to take this! That is why no money for Lambert
Funny, I thought he had been saying we were buying 3 or 4 players in his other tweets.
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Fuck it, we'll twat them at VP.
We need the bloody Admirals Pie, PWS. >:(
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Well at least that's helped me make a decision on Millwall
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Parkinson reckons we're still favourites. I can't see it. I think we've blown it. I can't see us keeping a clean sheet in two weeks time - opponents are just putting the ball into our area and we fall apart, teams are scoring goals very very easily against us.
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Do you know the bit I hate at the moment? It's when you wake up in the morning, dreading work and then you remember the fucking score line from the day/night before. And it's happening a lot lately.
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I'm just very very sad that my beloved Aston Villa have come to this.
Lambert looked like a dead man walking to me, so here we go again.
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I think at times like this we really need General Krulak to come on here and calm people down with his explanations of where and how Villa are improving.
Can we put Nicola Keyes in charge?
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Chelsea in the final wouldn't be fun at all I fear.
But at least we would've avoided the humiliation of being knocked out by a league two side over two legs in a semi final.
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hysteria is so much more fun than sober reflection. It's half time; They were at home in front of a packed house that they probably have only experienced once before knowing that this in all probability was their one chance in their careers of glory. They played out of their skins. At VP our lot will be playing for their professional pride and a shot at redemption; they have to give it all and more again and will feel that complacency kicking in - they can't help it. We're the Villa - we've been here before and triumphed.
I like the positive attitude and part of me agrees. But another part of me thinks that some of the Bradford players didn't play out of their skins, they just played to what they're capable of. And that means they're capable of cutting off any potential comeback at source with a spirit-crushing goal just as we level the tie, for example.
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So gutted I can't even face any alcohol
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A bad night, no mistake.
But!
If you had to stand on the drop floor to the sharks like a Bond film.
Would you stand on the trap door:
Wembley or The Sharks (lose the semi after VP game)
I know where I would stand.
WEMBLEY.
Chickens
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As a football supporter I am very happy for Bradford fans tonight. They are a good club with some history. They have had absolutely crap time of late however today has been good for them. Their supporters were a picture of joy in and around the ground before the game , during the game and obviously after. Good very good memorable night for for fans. Sometimes this is how it should be.
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Fuck it, we'll twat them at VP.
Maybe we will but its only papering over the cracks- I'd fear what Chelsea would do to us at Wembley.
Why not Swansea?
Because Chelsea will beat Swansea!
Just like they should have beaten QPR?
If we don't reach the final, and I still think we can, without holding out too much hope that we wll, my ideal scenario would be a Bradford v Swansea final.
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I can see us beating bradford maybe , but I cannot see us staying up - we are so poor it's frightening.
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hysteria is so much more fun than sober reflection. It's half time; They were at home in front of a packed house that they probably have only experienced once before knowing that this in all probability was their one chance in their careers of glory. They played out of their skins. At VP our lot will be playing for their professional pride and a shot at redemption; they have to give it all and more again and will feel that complacency kicking in - they can't help it. We're the Villa - we've been here before and triumphed.
I admire your optimism and if I hadn't spent my hard earned watching us play Chelsea, Spurs & Wigan each batter us over the festive period then I'd be likely to agree.
I was at Tranmere away and home and whilst trudging out of Prenton Park that night was a disaster, the return leg was my most memorable match to date.
I'll be up for it BIG style on the 22nd as we all will, lets hope we can beat a division 4 side at home eh! However, rest assured we will be soundly beaten by either Swansea or Chelsea and its anyone's guess as to how many goals they'll want to score against us. Because we are shit.
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We lost to Bradford 1-3 We could easily beat them 6-2 at home in 2 weeks that doesn't worry me. Survival in the Premier League does though with what I think is the worst defence in all the divisions
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A laughing stock for the second time in less than three weeks; not blaming Lambert or Lerner for this one as that team should have been more than capable of beating a team 60 places below them in the league
It's only half time in the cup tie and we may well dick them 5-0 in the second leg but more concerning is simply the fact that a team from the 4th tier of English football can beat us so easily
Bennett, Bannan, Clark, hell they were shit from one to eleven tonight (only N'Zogbia seemed to offer anything of a threat) and I am very concerned about the future of this club
Lambert and Lerner you do have the chance to try and do something about; don't pass up the opportunity
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As far as Villa cup shockers goes, this is right up there with the worst of them.
The romantic in me says, remember Tranmere 94?
The realist in me tells me that I actually don't think the current team has what it takes to raise it's game and stage the sort of come back.
Plus Lambert isn't fit to lace Big Ron's boots.
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As a football supporter I am very happy for Bradford fans tonight. They are a good club with some history. They have had absolutely crap time of late however today has been good for them. Their supporters were a picture of joy in and around the ground before the game , during the game and obviously after. Good very good memorable night for for fans. Sometimes this is how it should be.
Sounds like you've had a beer
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Do you know the bit I hate at the moment? It's when you wake up in the morning, dreading work and then you remember the fucking score line from the day/night before. And it's happening a lot lately.
What I hate about nights like this is knowing, just knowing, that the headline on the news report that I'll wake up to in the morning will be a hysterical retread of Villa's latest debacle.
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As far as Villa cup shockers goes, this is right up there with the worst of them.
The romantic in me says, remember Tranmere 94?
The realist in me tells me that I actually don't think the current team has what it takes to raise it's game and stage the sort of come back.
Plus Lambert isn't fit to lace Big Ron's boots.
God, I'd love Big Ron to work behind the secnes at Villa in some capacity. He might have pissed on his chips in that regard but he knows the game inside out.
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Feel absolutely numb. Disbelief! Keep thinking that things will eventually reach an all time low and things will eventually begin to improve. Now worried that this all time low will be relegation at the end of the season. Look forward to work in the morning and the abuse and humiliation that will surround me throughout the day. No heart, no spirit and certainly not the Villa team i've followed all my life. I really do hope they have sleepless nights tonight because they really should be ashamed of themselves.
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As a football supporter I am very happy for Bradford fans tonight. They are a good club with some history. They have had absolutely crap time of late however today has been good for them. Their supporters were a picture of joy in and around the ground before the game , during the game and obviously after. Good very good memorable night for for fans. Sometimes this is how it should be.
Sounds like you've had a beer
I concur with that. Well done Bradford. Much as I hate to say it, they clearly wanted it more and thus far have been respectful victors.
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On reflection this result is up there with Aldershot 3 Aldershit 1 in the sixties
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As a football supporter I am very happy for Bradford fans tonight. They are a good club with some history. They have had absolutely crap time of late however today has been good for them. Their supporters were a picture of joy in and around the ground before the game , during the game and obviously after. Good very good memorable night for for fans. Sometimes this is how it should be.
Sounds like you've had a beer
I need to somehow reconcile the events of this horrible night. I will order more Lemonade!
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Have we broken the record for the amount of guests on tonight?
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As a football supporter I am very happy for Bradford fans tonight. They are a good club with some history. They have had absolutely crap time of late however today has been good for them. Their supporters were a picture of joy in and around the ground before the game , during the game and obviously after. Good very good memorable night for for fans. Sometimes this is how it should be.
Well said! Didn't realise till today that they'd won the FA Cup. Still want us to tonk them in the second leg.
BTW for some perspective!
http://www.aboutmanutd.com/man-u-matches/20-09-1995-york-city.html
At home as well as with a much stronger team than we had tonight, oh the humiliation. Maybe Utd should have sacked Fergie there and then.
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Have we broken the record for the amount of guests on tonight?
It's a new attendance record!
Most Online Ever: 1950 (Today at 22:37:43)
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We have certainly broken records for shitest defence.
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Do you know the bit I hate at the moment? It's when you wake up in the morning, dreading work and then you remember the fucking score line from the day/night before. And it's happening a lot lately.
What I hate about nights like this is knowing, just knowing, that the headline on the news report that I'll wake up to in the morning will be a hysterical retread of Villa's latest debacle.
Trouble is, we're not big news anymore. Even the press won't be surprised by this and the only reason it'll make the back page is because it was the only match played on the evening.
The only time we are first on MOTD or near the front in The Sun's Goals pullout is because we've just played Utd, City, L'pool or Chelski. It's no longer off our own merit. Next year will be worse.
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As a football supporter I am very happy for Bradford fans tonight. They are a good club with some history. They have had absolutely crap time of late however today has been good for them. Their supporters were a picture of joy in and around the ground before the game , during the game and obviously after. Good very good memorable night for for fans. Sometimes this is how it should be.
Well said! Didn't realise till today that they'd won the FA Cup. Still want us to tonk them in the second leg.
BTW for some perspective!
http://www.aboutmanutd.com/man-u-matches/20-09-1995-york-city.html
At home as well as with a much stronger team than we had tonight, oh the humiliation. Maybe Utd should have sacked Fergie there and then.
I bet they didn't lose 8-0 a couple of weeks before.
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Have we broken the record for the amount of guests on tonight?
Can I respectfully ask the guests to fuck off and let us drown in our own misery alone.
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All credit to Bradford, they showed up and played, we let it happen. In a way I'm glad because hopefully it will give this lot the absolute kick up the arse they thoroughly deserve.
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As a football supporter I am very happy for Bradford fans tonight. They are a good club with some history. They have had absolutely crap time of late however today has been good for them. Their supporters were a picture of joy in and around the ground before the game , during the game and obviously after. Good very good memorable night for for fans. Sometimes this is how it should be.
Sounds like you've had a beer
I need to somehow reconcile the events of this horrible night. I will order more Lemonade!
Fair play to you for making it up there. They don't deserve supporters like you. I doth my cap to you.
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All credit to Bradford, they showed up and played, we let it happen. In a way I'm glad because hopefully it will give this lot the absolute kick up the arse they thoroughly deserve.
Too little too late
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As a football supporter I am very happy for Bradford fans tonight. They are a good club with some history. They have had absolutely crap time of late however today has been good for them. Their supporters were a picture of joy in and around the ground before the game , during the game and obviously after. Good very good memorable night for for fans. Sometimes this is how it should be.
Well said! Didn't realise till today that they'd won the FA Cup. Still want us to tonk them in the second leg.
BTW for some perspective!
http://www.aboutmanutd.com/man-u-matches/20-09-1995-york-city.html
At home as well as with a much stronger team than we had tonight, oh the humiliation. Maybe Utd should have sacked Fergie there and then.
Oh that old cliche!
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Well Lambert's not a dead man walking but he's in the cell having the final rites read. Outplayed and outfought by a load of arse. A lot of people unfortunately had already booked tickets for the final in their minds, as had probably Lerner so he's really going to pull something out the hat in the 2nd leg or he's history.
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All credit to Bradford, they showed up and played, we let it happen. In a way I'm glad because hopefully it will give this lot the absolute kick up the arse they thoroughly deserve.
How many kicks up the arse do they need ?
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All credit to Bradford, they showed up and played, we let it happen. In a way I'm glad because hopefully it will give this lot the absolute kick up the arse they thoroughly deserve.
Theyve had a few already this season
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Well Lambert's not a dead man walking but he's in the cell having the final rites read. Outplayed and outfought by a load of arse. A lot of people unfortunately had already booked tickets for the final in their minds, as had probably Lerner so he's really going to pull something out the hat in the 2nd leg or he's history.
Rest assured PL will still be in charge when we go down.
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All credit to Bradford, they showed up and played, we let it happen. In a way I'm glad because hopefully it will give this lot the absolute kick up the arse they thoroughly deserve.
How many kicks up the arse do they need ?
Quite. We were told that we'd learn a lot about the manager and the players from how they responded to the Chelsea humiliation.....
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As a football supporter I am very happy for Bradford fans tonight. They are a good club with some history. They have had absolutely crap time of late however today has been good for them. Their supporters were a picture of joy in and around the ground before the game , during the game and obviously after. Good very good memorable night for for fans. Sometimes this is how it should be.
Sounds like you've had a beer
I concur with that. Well done Bradford. Much as I hate to say it, they clearly wanted it more and thus far have been respectful victors.
I agree again. Well done Bradford. A stunning ,proper semi final cup tie. It is all up to us now H&V. It is in our capability to get to Wembley and we will get there, i am sure of that. We will never give up and we will always be Villa.
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All credit to Bradford, they showed up and played, we let it happen. In a way I'm glad because hopefully it will give this lot the absolute kick up the arse they thoroughly deserve.
Like Chelsea? Like spurs? Oh
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I don't think that our defenders are necessarily bad players as individuals, but they don't have any collective organisation or a leader. There are lots of examples of getting pulled out of position, and of last ditch challenges; there is a general lack of control and composure. Baker's sliding challenge half way through the second half was exhilerating, but was symptomatic of a general lack of control. As young players they would of course benefit from the steady presence of someone like Petrov in front of them. Bennett and Lowton both seem decent going forward, but Bennett in particular gets caught in possession a lot. Going forward we made a decent number of opportunities without exerting the kind of controlled pressure that you might expect playing a team from three divisions below.
There doesn't seem to be a plan, but intuitively it feels more that the guys on the pitch are not experienced enough to be able to carry out a plan, rather than there not being one at all.
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I think at times like this we really need General Krulak to come on here and calm people down with his explanations of where and how Villa are improving.
The pies are very, very rarely cold now.
I am having problems getting decent tickets for the 2nd leg. Call Nicky Keye she will sort you out....with some tickets to the opera instead.
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Well Lambert's not a dead man walking but he's in the cell having the final rites read. Outplayed and outfought by a load of arse. A lot of people unfortunately had already booked tickets for the final in their minds, as had probably Lerner so he's really going to pull something out the hat in the 2nd leg or he's history.
Rest assured PL will still be in charge when we go down.
WE ARE NOT GOING FUCKING DOWN. >:(
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I bring you a straw to clutch onto, come on, join me.
Opta: 'Aston Villa have progressed through 8 of their previous 13 League Cup semi-finals despite only winning 2 out of 13 first legs.'
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I think at times like this we really need General Krulak to come on here and calm people down with his explanations of where and how Villa are improving.
The pies are very, very rarely cold now.
I am having problems getting decent tickets for the 2nd leg. Call Nicky Keye she will sort you out....with some tickets to the opera instead.
Nicky Keye isn't with the club any more. They let her contract run down, wanted her off the wage bill.
She's been replaced by an embryo.
It's the Ajax way.
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I bring you a straw to clutch onto, come on, join me.
Opta: 'Aston Villa have progressed through 8 of their previous 13 League Cup semi-finals despite only winning 2 out of 13 first legs.'
Exactly what i am on about. Fucking UTV.
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As a football supporter I am very happy for Bradford fans tonight. They are a good club with some history. They have had absolutely crap time of late however today has been good for them. Their supporters were a picture of joy in and around the ground before the game , during the game and obviously after. Good very good memorable night for for fans. Sometimes this is how it should be.
Sounds like you've had a beer
I concur with that. Well done Bradford. Much as I hate to say it, they clearly wanted it more and thus far have been respectful victors.
I agree again. Well done Bradford. A stunning ,proper semi final cup tie. It is all up to us now H&V. It is in our capability to get to Wembley and we will get there, i am sure of that. We will never give up and we will always be Villa.
On paper its a winnable second leg. Its just our fucking useless defence, We could score 2 i reckon but keep a clean sheet? 3-1 and a penatly shoot-out looks our best bet
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Chill guys.
It will be a cold and misty night on the 22nd.
As you walk to Villa Park you will feel the anticipation in the air. You will smell the burger vans and hear the crowd. It will be a full house. The hairs will stand up on the back of your neck.
And we blitz these fuckers.
Amen.
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As far as Villa cup shockers goes, this is right up there with the worst of them.
The romantic in me says, remember Tranmere 94?
The realist in me tells me that I actually don't think the current team has what it takes to raise it's game and stage the sort of come back.
Plus Lambert isn't fit to lace Big Ron's boots.
Anyone hear his interview after the game on Sky? 'Well they certainly know they're in a game now.' Totally inspiring stuff. Also, I don't wish to be rude but sometimes I listen to him and have genuine difficulty understanding what he is saying. Could that be an issue in the dressing room as well, especially in 'rant' mode.
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Do you know the bit I hate at the moment? It's when you wake up in the morning, dreading work and then you remember the fucking score line from the day/night before. And it's happening a lot lately.
What I hate about nights like this is knowing, just knowing, that the headline on the news report that I'll wake up to in the morning will be a hysterical retread of Villa's latest debacle.
Trouble is, we're not big news anymore. Even the press won't be surprised by this and the only reason it'll make the back page is because it was the only match played on the evening.
The only time we are first on MOTD or near the front in The Sun's Goals pullout is because we've just played Utd, City, L'pool or Chelski. It's no longer off our own merit. Next year will be worse.
Re MOTD - See our last league game at Swansea. First on.
Re Sun's Goals Pullout - I can live with not making headline news in that shit-rag
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As far as Villa cup shockers goes, this is right up there with the worst of them.
The romantic in me says, remember Tranmere 94?
The realist in me tells me that I actually don't think the current team has what it takes to raise it's game and stage the sort of come back.
Plus Lambert isn't fit to lace Big Ron's boots.
Anyone hear his interview after the game on Sky? 'Well they certainly know they're in a game now.' Totally inspiring stuff. Also, I don't wish to be rude but sometimes I listen to him and have genuine difficulty understanding what he is saying. Could that be an issue in the dressing room as well, especially in 'rant' mode.
After many complaints from players about finding it difficult to understand him, Lambert's half-time and post-match interaction with the squad involves him walking in to the changing room wearing a sandwich board which has "we go again" printed on it.
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I bring you a straw to clutch onto, come on, join me.
Opta: 'Aston Villa have progressed through 8 of their previous 13 League Cup semi-finals despite only winning 2 out of 13 first legs.'
Funnily enough I was just thinking that Villa never do League Cup semis the easy way - they're always heart-in-mouth affairs. In 94, we have the obvious mentalism of the Tranmere game. 96, the precious away goals at Highbury. Even against Bolton and Leicester the games were crazy.
One thing's for certain: If we pull this bastard thing out of the fire, it'll make the Blackburn semi sound like a prayer meeting. I went to work the day after the second leg of that with a completely ruptured voicebox.
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We Need a Martin Laursen type character.
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I don't think that our defenders are necessarily bad players as individuals, but they don't have any collective organisation or a leader. There are lots of examples of getting pulled out of position, and of last ditch challenges; there is a general lack of control and composure. Baker's sliding challenge half way through the second half was exhilerating, but was symptomatic of a general lack of control. As young players they would of course benefit from the steady presence of someone like Petrov in front of them. Bennett and Lowton both seem decent going forward, but Bennett in particular gets caught in possession a lot. Going forward we made a decent number of opportunities without exerting the kind of controlled pressure that you might expect playing a team from three divisions below.
There doesn't seem to be a plan, but intuitively it feels more that the guys on the pitch are not experienced enough to be able to carry out a plan, rather than there not being one at all.
All too often this season I see posts from the optimistic who when we have suffered yet another defeat will refer back to a good pass that was made or a particular run that looked promising. The irony being that we've always been soundly beaten. Just like the scene in Dumb & Dumber where Jim Carey asks the girl what the chances are of him and her getting together
"One in a thousand" he asks.
"More like one in a million" she replies
"So you're saying there's still a chance....."
Needless to say she fucks off with someone else.....and we're going down after a probable day out at Wembley getting spanked after we've scraped past division 4 Bradford.
Football's overrated anyway, it's all about women's gymnastics I say.......
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Well Lambert's not a dead man walking but he's in the cell having the final rites read. Outplayed and outfought by a load of arse. A lot of people unfortunately had already booked tickets for the final in their minds, as had probably Lerner so he's really going to pull something out the hat in the 2nd leg or he's history.
Rest assured PL will still be in charge when we go down.
WE ARE NOT GOING FUCKING DOWN. >:(
Is it possible go down without fucking?
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I don't find him difficult to understand especially as every other sentence seems to be go again!
Thick scouse accents like Carraghers I find more difficult to understand.
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Drama queens the lot of you. We're Aston Villa we don't do things the easy way.
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Drama queens the lot of you. We're Aston Villa we don't do things the easy way.
You got that right.
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Do you know the bit I hate at the moment? It's when you wake up in the morning, dreading work and then you remember the fucking score line from the day/night before. And it's happening a lot lately.
What I hate about nights like this is knowing, just knowing, that the headline on the news report that I'll wake up to in the morning will be a hysterical retread of Villa's latest debacle.
Trouble is, we're not big news anymore. Even the press won't be surprised by this and the only reason it'll make the back page is because it was the only match played on the evening.
The only time we are first on MOTD or near the front in The Sun's Goals pullout is because we've just played Utd, City, L'pool or Chelski. It's no longer off our own merit. Next year will be worse.
Re MOTD - See our last league game at Swansea. First on.
Re Sun's Goals Pullout - I can live with not making headline news in that shit-rag
I'm going to try and avoid the BBC bulletin at all costs tomorrow. If it means I have to sacrifice my slight lie-in, so be it. I'll also be taking my ebook reader to work so I'm not tempted to look at any football news sites. Then the only thing I have to concern me is my Blues boss, who hasn't been seen at all today but will obviously need to set up some kind of urgent crisis meeting with only me in attendance.
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Well Lambert's not a dead man walking but he's in the cell having the final rites read. Outplayed and outfought by a load of arse. A lot of people unfortunately had already booked tickets for the final in their minds, as had probably Lerner so he's really going to pull something out the hat in the 2nd leg or he's history.
Rest assured PL will still be in charge when we go down.
WE ARE NOT GOING FUCKING DOWN. >:(
Is it possible go down without fucking?
That should read " It is possible to go down without fucking" surely ? ;) :P
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More concerned with Saturday to be honest than the 2nd leg. Really an expensive day out in North London to see us get smashed by Chelsea. I really don't need that.
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Latest Norman Cook release.
We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain.
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More concerned with Saturday to be honest than the 2nd leg. Really an expensive day out in North London to see us get smashed by Chelsea. I really don't need that.
But we'll be there all the same eh.....
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Latest Norman Cook release.
We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain.
The funk soul Villa.
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Latest Norman Cook release.
We pick ourselves up right about now and go again brother, right about now, we pick ourselves up right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again, pickpickpickpickpickpick right about now we pick ourselves up and go again, right about now, we pick ourselves up and go again go again go again gain gain gain.
The funk soul Villa.
Genius.
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10 PRINT "Pick ourselves up and go again"
20 GOTO 10
Pick ourselves up and go again
Pick ourselves up and go again
Pick ourselves up and go again
Pick ourselves up and go again
Pick ourselves up and go again
Pick ourselves up and go again
Pick ourselves up and go again
Pick ourselves up and go again
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I'm still flummoxed on why Lambert felt he had to go out all attack and out attack on a side who had previously beaten Wigan and Arsenal .I thought it showed a complete lack of respect to Bradford. We got everything we deserved today.
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That should read " It is possible to go down without fucking" surely ? ;) :P
Shirley you are right! I always thought going down fucking was a good thing but what do I know...
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10 PRINT "Pick ourselves up and go again"
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Thanks for the input Pisso
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Shockingly disrespectful to a funny post.
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Been waiting for the team coach to turn up here but nothing so far. So asked the staff at reception and they said team stayed here last night and checked out at 5.30 today. So they are on their way back to Brum but I bet they won't be in training tomorrow.
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I'm still flummoxed on why Lambert felt he had to go out all attack and out attack on a side who had previously beaten Wigan and Arsenal .I thought it showed a complete lack of respect to Bradford. We got everything we deserved today.
I'm beginning to think that's all he knows.
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There is not much more to say that hasn't been said already.
It was a very bad result and there were very few (if any) Villa players that came out of that match with any credit. I know people have their favourites and their least liked but some of the criticism of individuals (especially the younger players who lack experience) is over the top (in my opinion), when, after all, it is a team game. Whether you call it individual mistakes, lack of concentration, lack of urgency to get out to defend the second ball, lack of conviction or what, we gave away 3 very poor goals.
We created as many chances in that game as we probably have in the last six and their goalkeeper was given the MOTM. Everything that seems possible to go wrong in a match, is going wrong. Oh for a little bit of luck at the moment. Saying that, this only glosses over what I said in the paragraph before.
We are lacking any strength in the team, whether it is physical or mental, we are very weak in midfield and defence. The manager has to act quickly (and be backed by Lerner) to go out and buy (possibly better if they are loans) two short term experienced defenders that can organise two young fullbacks and the midfield infront of them. I think he could do a lot worse than go out and try and pair up Johnson and Dann again. This would be a low cost option but could work.
Also, he needs to buy somebody for the centre of midfield that can sit there and organise and control that area of the pitch and provide the link between the defence and the forwards, he does not have to be a world beater.
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I'm still flummoxed on why Lambert felt he had to go out all attack a side who had previously beaten Wigan and Arsenal .I thought it showed a complete lack of respect to Bradford. We got everything we deserved today.
I'm beginning to think that's all he knows.
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As this post is screened it is officially now the day after and just like waking up with a fat bird from the night before, I'm going to shrug off last nights events and consign them to history.
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Not one Bradford fan in the pub afterwards thought they would win the replay. We need to win 2 - 0 minimum and we're through. We might do that with Bannan and Delph in the middle but we'd have a far better chance if we didn't. Bennet isn't our answer to the left back position either.
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Shockingly disrespectful to a funny post.
it was a funny post and not the most bright of responses, but shockingly disrespectful? Ha ha ha.
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More concerned with Saturday to be honest than the 2nd leg. Really an expensive day out in North London to see us get smashed by Chelsea. I really don't need that.
But we'll be there all the same eh.....
Not cancelling the hotel room just yet
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I'm still flummoxed on why Lambert felt he had to go out all attack and out attack on a side who had previously beaten Wigan and Arsenal .I thought it showed a complete lack of respect to Bradford. We got everything we deserved today.
Probably because we haven't got a clue how to defend.
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Not one Bradford fan in the pub afterwards thought they would win the replay. We need to win 2 - 0 minimum and we're through. We might do that with Bannan and Delph in the middle but we'd have a far better chance if we didn't. Bennet isn't our answer to the left back position either.
We will qualify, I am pretty sure of that. 3-1 is a bad result for us, especially given the timing of the third, but it's not enough for them.
Personally, I am more worried that the feebleness in midfield and defence still persists even when we're playing a shit league two side (and yes, they beat Arsenal, but after penalities, and after Arsenal had hit the post 12,000 times).
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Well Lambert's not a dead man walking but he's in the cell having the final rites read. Outplayed and outfought by a load of arse. A lot of people unfortunately had already booked tickets for the final in their minds, as had probably Lerner so he's really going to pull something out the hat in the 2nd leg or he's history.
Rest assured PL will still be in charge when we go down.
WE ARE NOT GOING FUCKING DOWN. >:(
Is it possible go down without fucking?
Nah, you need something fun to ward off the misery of relegation
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More concerned with Saturday to be honest than the 2nd leg. Really an expensive day out in North London to see us get smashed by Chelsea. I really don't need that.
But we'll be there all the same eh.....
Not cancelling the hotel room just yet
As someone pointed out, if we don't get there, we'll be playing at Arsenal in the league anyway, so no reason to cancel.
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Shockingly disrespectful to a funny post.
it was a funny post and not the most bright of responses, but shockingly disrespectful? Ha ha ha.
No. haha. Well not as shockingly disrespectful as what happened on the pitch.
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Just got in. Oh dear what an utter shambles. Is it too early for the "Spirit of 94" thread yet?
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Were herd and holman injured?
does it matter .they are championship players like the rest of them
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Not one Bradford fan in the pub afterwards thought they would win the replay. We need to win 2 - 0 minimum and we're through. We might do that with Bannan and Delph in the middle but we'd have a far better chance if we didn't. Bennet isn't our answer to the left back position either.
We will qualify, I am pretty sure of that. 3-1 is a bad result for us, especially given the timing of the third, but it's not enough for them.
Personally, I am more worried that the feebleness in midfield and defence still persists even when we're playing a shit league two side (and yes, they beat Arsenal, but after penalities, and after Arsenal had hit the post 12,000 times).
I didn't see the Arsenal game v them but the consensus was that we were far better.
Anyway, fuck off Delph and fuck off Bannan. In fact, fuck off midfield, if you just cut them out and launched it for 90 mins against an average 4th div side we'd have beaten them on the law of scuffs, dinks and skewed headers falling to forwards in scoring positions.
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I know it's a fairly useless point to make, but my god do we miss Stan nowadays. The most understated player I can remember at the Villa, but I feel his experience, influence and general attitude of genuinely giving a shit about us would be a massive boost now.
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The only thing I think might help us is that now the inferior side are favourites to go through. We now have nothing to lose (as we've already lost it). I'm not sure they'll know how to deal with that.
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I didn't want to comment immediately after the game, I wanted to calm down a little first. A few have commented on the 'Spirit of 94', the big difference with the team of 94 is they had passion, fight, experience, resilience and experience. They also had pride in their performance. That lot, sitting on their first class executive coach from Yorkshire - how many of them will be hurting from that performance? I'm not talking about being a bit pissed off for an hour or so, but genuinely hurting by the fact they've been beaten by a team that lost to fucking Barnet at the weekend.
Irrespective of the age of our players. Any player, representing Aston Villa should NEVER lose a game of football to a team in the 4th tier of English football. The players were fucking diabolical, the bastard lot of 'em. I don't give a shit how old they are, how inexperienced they are. We, as fans need to stop blaming O'Neill, Houllier, McLeish, Randy or Paul Faulkner or any other person associated with managing Villa, how about the players actually taking some responsibility for their piss poor performances? They aren't kids, they are professionals. It's time for them to start acting like it. They're happy to take their obscene wages everyweek.
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Just back. They were good value for their win and that we resorted to lumping the ball from the back to Benteke spoke volumes. Our team looked unbalanced on paper and so it was in practice, Delph and Bannan playing as deep as the centre halves, the full backs in awful form in both halves and the forwards standing around waiting for something to happen. I dont suppose anyone can add anything to a debate about our defending from corners, shambolic.
We were just outfought and outplayed, the only glimmer we have is that shit as we were, we still had enough chances to get something from the game.
Humiliating.
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I know it's a fairly useless point to make, but my god do we miss Stan nowadays. The most understated player I can remember at the Villa, but I feel his experience, influence and general attitude of genuinely giving a shit about us would be a massive boost now.
Kevin Richardson springs to mind.Didn't think he was a player until he left.
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Ive just watched it in a pub in tenerife and the 50 celtic fans didnt realise I Was villa till we scored and I shouted get the fuck in , when everyone replied we have a villa fan here ,poor fucker. and then I had to witness bradfords third with every one taking the piss out of me and my 7 year old in tears.thank you aston villa for that , you uesless twats
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I've said to my other half that if at any point I try to tell anybody I'm a Villa fan, she's to kick me in the shin so I don't have to do the gritted teeth/embarrassment/yes I know we're shite thing.
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I'm still flummoxed on why Lambert felt he had to go out all attack a side who had previously beaten Wigan and Arsenal .I thought it showed a complete lack of respect to Bradford. We got everything we deserved today.
I'm beginning to think that's all he knows.
'The manager is too attacking' who'd have thought we'd have heard that after last season?
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Don't worry lads, we'll Tranmere them!
I'd like to congratulate Joe Bennett on being completely outclassed by League Two opposition for 90 minutes.
Yeah, he really is shite.
Well, I'm starting to lose a bit of faith in the manager now. It's starting to look like he doesn't know how to organise or motivate the players. Plus we need signings, desperately. Where are they?
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Bennett appeared to have been told not to go forward as he constantly hung back when he could have given us width or an attacking option. If that was the case why not play Lichaj who seems to be the better defender.
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I'm still flummoxed on why Lambert felt he had to go out all attack a side who had previously beaten Wigan and Arsenal .I thought it showed a complete lack of respect to Bradford. We got everything we deserved today.
I'm beginning to think that's all he knows.
'The manager is too attacking' who'd have thought we'd have heard that after last season?
A pity our goals for record, League Cup aside, is fucking dreadful.
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Lerner this is our club and always will be so start listening and then have the balls to front us and tell us what your plans are! We've had 3 seasons of absolute crap and still we pile through the turnstiles in hope more than expectation. You let O'NEILL spend the money, you appointed Houllier, you appointed Mcbluenose and you appointed Lambert. This club is leaderless from the top to the bottom at the moment and we are being treated like idiots that should just pay up and shut up. Lambert, your tactic's ain't working, your interview's uninspiring and your team selections are baffling to say the least. Bradford's the limit, total and utter disgrace and there can be no excuses. You promised us football when you came but all we are seeing is hoofball, no width, no direction just moving from one disaster to another. Either step up to the plate, both of you or do one as we've had enough!!!!
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Just back and apologies for not reading the whole of the thread.
Defence and midfield poor, especially both full backs who never offered anything going forward in support of midfield nad were weak defensively.
Attack - curates egg. Created loads of chances and we could have been way in front before Bradford scored. Made their (I suspect) inept goalie look good. Benteke in particular frustrated with his dives, wayward finishing and poor defensive work. Was Bent really injured or was he still pissed off with himself for missing an open goal?
I can live with the fact that we lost to a 4th division side because from what I saw tonight I'm convinced we'll win overall.. which should shut the idiot on their Tannoy up with him booking a hotel for Wembley and all.
Not a great night for sure, but if we look at the game itself and not the disparity in supposed ability then there's nothing to suggest we can't put this right.
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As a football supporter I am very happy for Bradford fans tonight. They are a good club with some history. They have had absolutely crap time of late however today has been good for them. Their supporters were a picture of joy in and around the ground before the game , during the game and obviously after. Good very good memorable night for for fans. Sometimes this is how it should be.
Apart from the tosspot Bradford supporter at Forster Square station who laid into me as I made my way to the train saying "you've got shit all over you in that team". There really is no need for this he was an old bloke too just no class.
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Six decent pubs and a curry. The only things that ruined a great day out were the most humiliating result since 1874 and a PA announcer who should be prosecuted for incitement.
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Six decent pubs and a curry. The only things that ruined a great day out were the most humiliating result since 1874 and a PA announcer who should be prosecuted for incitement.
I'm not a violent man but i would have glady hit that pitch side announcer with a brick.
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Six decent pubs and a curry. The only things that ruined a great day out were the most humiliating result since 1874 and a PA announcer who should be prosecuted for incitement.
I'm not a violent man but i would have glady hit that pitch side announcer with a brick.
He will be getting a letter from the Football league.
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What did he do/say?
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Just got back. Bloke on the tannoy with his jokey co-commentator, a message to you. You're a 4th division side and you've have had your night of glory. Now, cancel that hotel room, because you and your poxy outfit's cup dream will end on the 22nd Jan. Mark my fucking words.
However shit we are, and we are fucking shit. The Villa will wipe the floor with Bradford at Villa Park.
Joe Bennett had a nightmare, but he and Matt Lowton were the only two players to show appreciation to the massed ranks tonight. The rest of them turned their back on the fans and I mean, purposely ignored us. Disgraceful.
We'll still get through to the final.
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Given - not much he could have done beyond Christ-like miracles.
Lowton - really poor, as he has been for a few games. Positionally he seems to have no clue, and he looks leggy having played so many games.
Clark - looks less and less like he'll make it. Terrible how he lost some of his aerial duels.
Baker - was often forced to defend more desperate situations than he'd have liked due to the deficiencies of others. Not his fault, basically.
Bennett - real garbage, never tight enough to the man in possession or marking the most likely receiver of a pass, never in position, always on his heels, looked stoned out there.
Bannan - some missteps but created almost all of the chances which we should have scored. Should play further forward where he influences the game more.
Delph - utter and total waste of space. Disastrous performance that was like playing with 10 against 12. Horrible.
Agbonlahor - just not enough from a supposedly Premier League player. Held the ball up okay, but his touch is nowhere near good enough, he plays with his head down and just generally looks deficient.
N'Zogbia - looked like the only attacking midfielder who might cause problems. Created more openings than made mistakes and worked hard enough. Again, not his fault.
Weimann - out of position so hard to judge, although he again showed that killer instinct in front of goal we otherwise lack so painfully.
Benteke - how many chances can you miss? Holding up the ball and all that against a League 2 side is the minimum you expect from a striker like him - his finishing was horrific.
Bent - wasn't on the pitch long before the injury curtailed his involvement, but f**k me he should have buried that headed chance. Jumped too early, which is just a weird thing to do.
Burke - can't judge, though he worked hard enough, as you'd expect.
Overall, this is a dark night. Things need to change and fast. The game looked like Bradford were the ruthless top-tier side and we were the plucky-but-toothless minnows. It was pathetic, the latest in a growing line of humiliations, and it's all getting rather too much.
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Joe Bennett had a nightmare, but he and Matt Lowton were the only two players to show appreciation to the massed ranks tonight. The rest of them turned their back on the fans and I mean, purposely ignored us. Disgraceful.
Really? So the players don't give a fuck about their performances or that people are missing days from work and spending a lot of money to turn up to see them. It really isn't good enough. The chairman's shit, the players are shit, performances have been a disgrace to the name of the club, yet the only people that care are being given the cold shoulder by those who are doing nothing but taking and not delivering.
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Is it really the most humiliating defeat in our history? Hot on the heels of our heaviest...Lambert, you're one brave mother.
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Is it really the most humiliating defeat in our history? Hot on the heels of our heaviest...Lambert, you're one brave mother.
Probably is result wise, performance wise probably not. I doubt anything will be as inept as Doncaster.
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Michael Owen not exactly thinking before he tweets.
https://twitter.com/themichaelowen
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Ive just watched it in a pub in tenerife and the 50 celtic fans didnt realise I Was villa till we scored and I shouted get the fuck in , when everyone replied we have a villa fan here ,poor fucker. and then I had to witness bradfords third with every one taking the piss out of me and my 7 year old in tears.thank you aston villa for that , you uesless twats
The piss taking and mocking I can take. Its the pity that hurts.
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Is it really the most humiliating defeat in our history? Hot on the heels of our heaviest...Lambert, you're one brave mother.
Probably is result wise, performance wise probably not. I doubt anything will be as inept as Doncaster.
This is Lambert's Doncaster.We lose Saturday he is gone.
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Is it really the most humiliating defeat in our history? Hot on the heels of our heaviest...Lambert, you're one brave mother.
Probably is result wise, performance wise probably not. I doubt anything will be as inept as Doncaster.
This is Lambert's Doncaster.We lose Saturday he is gone.
Where do we go from there though? The club would be even more directionless than it is now. Added to that a Championship strength squad in place. Fuck knows where we'd get the next bloke from, it's like we're becoming a graveyard for managers.
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Is it really the most humiliating defeat in our history? Hot on the heels of our heaviest...Lambert, you're one brave mother.
Probably is result wise, performance wise probably not. I doubt anything will be as inept as Doncaster.
This is Lambert's Doncaster.We lose Saturday he is gone.
Where do we go from there though? The club would be even more directionless than it is now. Added to that a Championship strength squad in place. Fuck knows where we'd get the next bloke from, it's like we're becoming a graveyard for managers.I donn
He just looks like a broken man.I think he will walk.
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In the lobby waiting for them. No sign of the coach so far. I would have cancelled the rooms and got the fuckers straight back to Bodymoor Heath now.
Bit late getting back so bit late posting. The team normally stay at an hotel the night before a game and go home after the game,
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ok here's my take on it. Its down to Lambert. If we are not playing with confidence, you have to make sure you don't come away with anything less than a draw. So Its a div 4 side. Play 4 at the back and 4 in midfield. 2 up front. That way even a 1-0 defeat sets us up for the return leg. Don't under any circumstance leave our back 4 exposed. So make sure we have at least 6 defensively minded players on the park. I wouldn't count Delph, although I thought he was our best player, he was at least trying to hold his position and not just play the long ball. Nor would I count Bannan as defensively minded. So I think we had the back 4 and the rest was attack. The thing is 3 of them were in a strikers role and CNZ as a natural wide man or behind the strikers. Now we should have passed passed passed ans passed. The only real option for Delph and Bannan was the long ball. Teams like bradford play like that every week. Secondly the long ball, with no midfield following up, all second balls were picked up by the 7 or 8 Bradford players against our 4. Trying to win it by 3 or 4 away from home, which I think he was looking at the line up, well frankly it wasn't going to happen. They were only likely to score from set pieces, which they did with ease. Now what we are left with is a much harder task at VP, which I think we'll do. But the confidence will be shot once again. So PL In my opinion its down to you
I would say that this is a most cogent analysis with which I fully concur, but in the context of recent clusterfucks and debacles all I have is this:
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Is it really the most humiliating defeat in our history? Hot on the heels of our heaviest...Lambert, you're one brave mother.
Probably is result wise, performance wise probably not. I doubt anything will be as inept as Doncaster.
Agreed, but I am sad to admit that at one point in the game my brother and I were fondly reminiscing about that 7-3 turnaround at Wycombe under the pug nosed one.
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Don't need to be up till 7 30 but been lying awake since 5 with head spinning about the Villa so got up to go on here, feel so down and dreading the Saints game ,Jesus we have fallen so quickly.
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Went to sleep at 2 and woke up at 5 and all I can think about is this shower. Don't however believe the players will have though. They really don't give two shits. The fact they ignored the travelling support is a disgrace in itself. Going to have to avoid the O.S today as its going to be full of propaganda bollocks from the likes of Bannan etc
Going to be a long fucking day. If we lose to soton on Saturday then Lamberts gone in my opinion. THIS may be why we're holding off buying anyone
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Had all day working in a boiling, hot warehouse in 40c as staff called in sick - and I was already in a foul mood after the lovely start to the day that those overpaid, overrated wankers provided us all.
Thank God no one I work with has any clue about football. I pity you lot I really do.
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Doesn't augur well for Millwall does it? Probably in front of the tv cameras again!
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All credit to Bradford, they showed up and played, we let it happen. In a way I'm glad because hopefully it will give this lot the absolute kick up the arse they thoroughly deserve.
We have had plenty kicks up the arse lately and seem little reaction.
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21 goals conceded in six games, humiliated by Wigan at home, only just squeeked past Ipswich and now hammered by a League Two club. Regardless of the inexperience and lack of quality in the squad the team don't know what they're doing. Surely no one thinks Bannan and Delph is anything other than a pub team midfield partnership? Bad coaching and bad tactics - Lambert's to blame and no one else.
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But let's look at the positives about last night.
I had a fantastic curry.
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But let's look at the positives about last night.
I had a fantastic curry.
Thing is, that will be through your system before midday today. This defeat will reverberate for years, it's another Doncaster moment.
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All credit to Bradford, they showed up and played, we let it happen. In a way I'm glad because hopefully it will give this lot the absolute kick up the arse they thoroughly deserve.
We have had plenty kicks up the arse lately and seem little reaction.
Perhaps if there was a deduction from their hugely inflated pay packets it would produce a reaction? They get win bonuses so why isn't there the opposite equivalent where they lose pay for a series of shite results?
For the first time,I am now worried about the possibility of relegation. Especially as this result comes just before another 6 pointer against one of our relegation rivals.
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It's not a kick up the arse they need............they (and Lambert) are not good enough. It's clear for all to see.
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I was too angry to post last night, I'm not much happier this morning, what a waste of money, £20 coach, £25 ticket, beer and something to eat, I'd rather have set fire to my cash, everyone at Aston Villa needs to have a good hard look at themselves, It starts with randy and it goes all the way through, Fucking rotten to the core, I'm not fucking arsed about wembley I just hope we can stay up, bennett, Bannan and Delph should NEVER play for us again
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Had all day working in a boiling, hot warehouse in 40c as staff called in sick - and I was already in a foul mood after the lovely start to the day that those overpaid, overrated wankers provided us all.
Thank God no one I work with has any clue about football. I pity you lot I really do.
You'll be pleased to know I was in a nice air conditioned office today, but it was still painful to bear.
After the shit result I received a number of piss taking texts, including one of those Nigel Kennedy, prince William, Nigel spink: your boys, etc etc. ones. Brought a glimmer of a smile to me on the train. The low point was being avoided by the man u supporter I normally have a yarn to, who was clearly so embarrassed for me he couldn't bring himself to come over and take the piss.
Fkin wheels are well and truly falling off now hey?
Still got a chance to turn it round in a couple of weeks time, but I doubt you'd see lambert staring out the journos and saying would you bet against us.
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Even WM are taking the piss this morning.
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Even WM are taking the piss this morning.
There's a surprise
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Even WM are taking the piss this morning.
Yeah, I heard that twat Pete Morgan a few minutes ago taking the piss with an appeal for donations to help our cause. Didn't hear anything like that for Wolves situation....
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Woeful and embarrassing.
I have no idea of the formation Lambert is trying to play . I didn't on Saturday and again last night.
He chops and changes all the time - obviously has no idea of his best personnel or formation .
I think we are gone .
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John Deehan just been on WM. Talking a lot of sense.
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Decided not to comment last night & have given myself time to think before posting an ill written rant. Well after calming down all I can say is WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT, PLAYERS NEED TO PULL THEIR SOCKS UP OR EVERY ONE OF THEM CAN PISS OFF!!!
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Woeful and embarrassing.
I have no idea of the formation Lambert is trying to play . I didn't on Saturday and again last night.
He chops and changes all the time - obviously has no idea of his best personnel or formation .
I think we are gone .
Agree, although he's probably unlucky to lose his key players like Dunne, Vlaar, Westwood and now likely Bent again to injury. I can't believe that a couple of experienced defenders haven't already been signed to shore up this shit defence. That Chelsea defeat in particular has destroyed their confidence and the young players need to be taken out the firing line, although I think the damage to some of them mentally is already beyond repair. Sort it Lerner!!
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The worst thing for me last night was how for the whole second half the tactics seemed to be only to hit it long and pick up the scraps, and when we didn't, we were wide open on the counter.
I'm now very worried.
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I'm starting to think we may have appointed another crap manager.
Last night confirmed it, same errors cost us goals again. Do they practicehow to defend set pieces & crosses at Bodymoor Heath?
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I'm starting to think we may have appointed another crap manager.
Last night confirmed it, same errors cost us goals again. Do they practicehow to defend set pieces & crosses at Bodymoor Heath?
Never thought I'd say this, but Sam Allardyce should have been appointed instead of McLeish. West Ham look far more solid than us. He can at least indentify problems quickly and put things in place to resolve it. THAT'S EXPERIENCE!!
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I don't really know if lambert can turn this around, he seems to have lost his way and looked a shadow of the man who was at Norwich.
His body language, his lack of inspiration and his interview afterwards all look like a man who seems totally out of his depth.
I very much wanted him as manager but this is looking similar to when mike walker succeeded at Norwich and stepped up to Everton and failed desperately- is lambert out of his depth?
The thing is there is little out there in the way of alternatives and can we afford to sack yet another manager and his staff - randy cannot be blamed for appointing lambert but nobody could have foreseen how bad this is.
What's worse is we seem to be getting worse - we are is a truly dreadful state.
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How much longer will we keep this clueless manager? Never dreamed we could appoint anyone with less idea than the last manager but this one is turning out that way
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I don't really know if lambert can turn this around, he seems to have lost his way and looked a shadow of the man who was at Norwich.
His body language, his lack of inspiration and his interview afterwards all look like a man who seems totally out of his depth.
I very much wanted him as manager but this is looking similar to when mike walker succeeded at Norwich and stepped up to Everton and failed desperately- is lambert out of his depth?
The thing is there is little out there in the way of alternatives and can we afford to sack yet another manager and his staff - randy cannot be blamed for appointing lambert but nobody could have foreseen how bad this is.
What's worse is we seem to be getting worse - we are is a truly dreadful state.
Agree to a point, but PL had a budget of £20M plus last summer but chose to invest in inexperience instead of a 2 or 3 older heads. I wish Cuellar and Collins were still there as an option! I Still think we miss Dunne's leadership - he can organise a defence and would be good in my opinion alongside Vlaar (if he ever gets fit). At least under McLeish last season we looked better at the back and didn't have an horrendous goal difference which might just cost us come May.
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I think we'll be well down come May. The goal difference will be irrelevant
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Elements of our support was a disgrace last night, fighting amongst themselves, (saw at least 2 fights), and if you were the bloke in block E row f seat 127, you are the most disgusting fan i have ever met, non stop vitriol (effing and C'ing) at our players from the very first to the last whistle.
i can appreciate some frustration, but this is out of order!
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We have some total moron fans. As do all clubs I expect. Maybe we're small time, and can't handle the bigger occasions. As at Wembley in 2010 I saw numerous scuffles between our own fans. Pathetic.
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Elements of our support was a disgrace last night, fighting amongst themselves, (saw at least 2 fights), and if you were the bloke in block E row f seat 127, you are the most disgusting fan i have ever met, non stop vitriol (effing and C'ing) at our players from the very first to the last whistle.
i can appreciate some frustration, but this is out of order!
Also the knobhead who thought it funny to smash up the toilets after the game. Why people have to take their frustration out on a Division Four club who have had the nerve to beat us is beyond me. Their staff must be glad they are still in a lowly division when they go round and inspect the damage today.
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Wembley 2000 was the same.
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I don't think I've seen so many broken seats in a ground either. Idiots.
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I'm sure they will all be as brave at the Den...
I don't travel away much these days but we do seem to have a fair proportion of twats, far more than I remember from the late 80s and early 90s when I travelled away the most. A reflection on society more than anything I think.
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I was leaving and I heard smashing I just shook my head and walked out, I hope the individuals were found, I think alcohol was to blame there were a few pissed up twats on our coach and we left at 2pm, I don't know whats wrong with people
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I'm sure they will all be as brave at the Den...
I don't travel away much these days but we do seem to have a fair proportion of twats, far more than I remember from the late 80s and early 90s when I travelled away the most. A reflection on society more than anything I think.
Took my son to Tottenham earlier this season - a fair few of the blokes around us were far more interested in winding up the Spurs fans on the other side of the fence than watching the game. Utter pricks.
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I'm sure they will all be as brave at the Den...
I don't travel away much these days but we do seem to have a fair proportion of twats, far more than I remember from the late 80s and early 90s when I travelled away the most. A reflection on society more than anything I think.
Could the fact be that there was no segregation in the 80s be something to do with it? There was no need to abuse the home fans from behind the safety of a fence or Police cordon. If you wanted to do it you could. I was saying to the wife last night, watching the long line of coaches on the way back, how there was regularly only one/two Travellers Club coach plus a handful of private ones at games in those days.
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And last time I went to Fulham, we all got chucked out of the pub next to the Tube station before the game because some knob had smashed up the toilets. Fulham FFS...
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The French have a good word for last night "debacle"! The strange thing is if we could defend set pieces we would have got away with a draw!
As for moronic fans. Go away and don't darken the doors of Villa Park or any ground we are playing at!
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Some bloke on our coach took offence to Bradford fans waving goodbye, ffs its Bradford they have beat a prem side and they are league 2, Id go mental, who can blame them for enjoying it
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It doesn't feel any better today does it?
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Well, the morning after the night before.
I am just sad today.
This team does not represent anything that I recognise as Aston Villa FC.
Even when we went down last time, the club still had a aura and presence about it. You knew it would be back.
Now we are just a shambles. We look like every other mediocre, two bit club who aren't good enough to compete at the top level.
Is there anything sadder than witnessing the slow demise of a (once) giant who is just tired and past it ?
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It wasn't pretty or good but a better team than this lost to Tranmere 3-1 away and we managed to get to the final after an epic game at VP.
All is not lost - I admit performances have to improve enormously but there is no reason why we can't get to the final!!
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Last night I was angry, this morning I am even angrier.
Like I said then I have seen Villa being beaten at Bury, Walsall, Rochdale and Mansfield in the Third Division, and I was there to see us knocked out of The First Round of the FA Cup at Southend, but this is right up there with those lowest ever moments.
The next four games will define our season and Lambert's future, along with some of these young players, some of which he is destroying.
His body language last night was awful, looked like a man who was finished to me.
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I feel empty and very low- even though we have been awful of late I really couldn't see last nights debacle happening - what hurts most is the pain we are feeling probably mans nothing to the players who represent us.
They will pick up their £30000 plus a week and carry on with their business- a really sad state this club is now in.
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Well, the morning after the night before.
I am just sad today.
This team does not represent anything that I recognise as Aston Villa FC.
Even when we went down last time, the club still had a aura and presence about it. You knew it would be back.
Now we are just a shambles. We look like every other mediocre, two bit club who aren't good enough to compete at the top level.
Is there anything sadder than witnessing the slow demise of a (once) giant who is just tired and past it ?
This current team is so bad that it could drop straight through to League One in no time at all.
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That one hurt. Too angry to post last night.
No one is playing with pride, everyone is waiting for someone to become a leader on the pitch, no one is showing any interest in becoming that leader.
I thought that Ireland might have imposed himself as some kinda elder driving force in the squad this season, it seems like it is not something that interests him.
Too many of the same type of personality in the playing squad on the pitch. We need a nasty bastard to lead by example. Easier said than done to find one.
Bradford beat Wigan and Arsenal, we didn't afford them the respect that those two victories deserved. We are still in it, but have a mountain to climb. The away goal is precious, but but it's not going to be any use if we won't keep a clean sheet in the home match. We will have to score early and put the pressure onto them to attack and try catch them on the break. Hopefully the easy victory last night will make them complacent in the second leg and we can tear them a new one and begin to restore a bit of pride.
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behave.
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It's not really about bradford anymore to me , I agree we can beat them but if we can be so poor against a side Like bradford how can we realistically hope to avoid relegation - lambert looks to me like a man who knows the game is up .
There is no doubt we care and are hurting today , whether the players feel the same I doubt it.
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I with most of what you say Le Lapin, but I don't think it was a question of not respecting Bradford.
I genuinely think that we were are just not good enough.
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I was too angry to post last night but just feel sad this morning! Feel even worse for my youngest son who didn't want to go to school this morning for fear of getting teased by the locals.
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"Agbonlahor: We'll rise to second leg challenge"
I see the o.s bollocks has started. Oh joy
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I with most of what you say Le Lapin, but I don't think it was a question of not respecting Bradford.
I genuinely think that we were are just not good enough.
Yeah, that's the very worrying part to all of this. Someone might have to look at quality control when it comes to new signings. Temper the youth with good potential that we have bought against talent and experience (which costs a lot in wages and goes against Randys current policy). Something has to give. We might need a good clear out in the summer either through relegation or design. Gabby and Ireland are the ones with lots of experience that have disappointed me the most, they are not natural leaders, but they should be bustin' a gut when they do get a chance.
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Elements of our support was a disgrace last night, fighting amongst themselves, (saw at least 2 fights), and if you were the bloke in block E row f seat 127, you are the most disgusting fan i have ever met, non stop vitriol (effing and C'ing) at our players from the very first to the last whistle.
i can appreciate some frustration, but this is out of order!
That chap was right behind me, i was in Block E, Row E, Seat 127 and yeah he was a nightmare. All he kept shouting throughout the game was 'useless c****s'. Throw in the scuffles just to my left which the police had to intervene with and all in all it was a bit of an horrible atmosphere. As for the chap who stood there at the end of the game with his lighter held aloft, well words failed me.
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Without doubt the worst away trip I've ever been on. A horrendous pub before hand, just about persuading the massed ranks of coppers outside to let us leave unaccompanied, having to drink in a bowling alley, got there 10 mins late and seemingly missing our best spell followed by an abject performance which just about shaded Doncaster who at least were happy with scoring only 3.
I don't blame the players for not coming over to acknowledge the fans, the few that did were told in no uncertain terms what we thought of their performance.
Strangely enough I thought Delph wasn't quite as bad as the rest of them, at least he showed a little energy, drive and will to win, if few glimpses of quality.
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It's not really about bradford anymore to me , I agree we can beat them but if we can be so poor against a side Like bradford how can we realistically hope to avoid relegation - lambert looks to me like a man who knows the game is up .
There is no doubt we care and are hurting today , whether the players feel the same I doubt it.
We have been poor for nearly all of the season, we have had a few good performances and a few good periods in games but in general our play has been bad and our tactics nieve to say the least.
Lambert does look like the he is sitting accross from Alan Sugar in the boardroom after fucking up a task in the apprentice and knowing that he is going to get the boot.
Even if we turn the second leg around I feel it will only be papering over the cracks, Lambert seems to be very stubborn and it may be too much for him to change tack. I fear we will go down this season.
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As for the chap who stood there at the end of the game with his lighter held aloft, well words failed me.
They're not failing me. Basic ******.
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When the teams were announced at 7.30 I was a bit concerned. That eased during the first 15 minutes of the match but from then on my concern turned to annoyance, then anger until I think it reached fury level. What the hell were we doing playing with a midfield two and four attackers? Did we just think they were so bad we could just walk straight through them? And to accommodate these four attackers some were played out of position/in a formation which negates their strengths. To me Lambert made a monumental cock up and never got to grips with the game at all.
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Given - not much he could have done beyond Christ-like miracles.
Lowton - really poor, as he has been for a few games. Positionally he seems to have no clue, and he looks leggy having played so many games.
Clark - looks less and less like he'll make it. Terrible how he lost some of his aerial duels.
Baker - was often forced to defend more desperate situations than he'd have liked due to the deficiencies of others. Not his fault, basically.
Bennett - real garbage, never tight enough to the man in possession or marking the most likely receiver of a pass, never in position, always on his heels, looked stoned out there.
Bannan - some missteps but created almost all of the chances which we should have scored. Should play further forward where he influences the game more.
Delph - utter and total waste of space. Disastrous performance that was like playing with 10 against 12. Horrible.
Agbonlahor - just not enough from a supposedly Premier League player. Held the ball up okay, but his touch is nowhere near good enough, he plays with his head down and just generally looks deficient.
N'Zogbia - look Ailsa Stewart, like the only attacking midfielder who might cause problems. Created more openings than made mistakes and worked hard enough. Again, not his fault.
Weimann - out of position so hard to judge, although he again showed that killer instinct in front of goal we otherwise lack so painfully.
Benteke - how many chances can you miss? Holding up the ball and all that against a League 2 side is the minimum you expect from a striker like him - his finishing was horrific.
Bent - wasn't on the pitch long before the injury curtailed his involvement, but f**k me he should have buried that headed chance. Jumped too early, which is just a weird thing to do.
Burke - can't judge, though he worked hard enough, as you'd expect.
Overall, this is a dark night. Things need to change and fast. The game looked like Bradford were the ruthless top-tier side and we were the plucky-but-toothless minnows. It was pathetic, the latest in a growing line of humiliations, and it's all getting rather too much.
Pretty much agree with all of the this apart from Lowton, who I thought looked semi-ok.
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If anyone wants to motivate the players this I'd get them to listen to Richard Keys on Talk Sport taking the piss out of Villa, along with WM this morning, not that they'd fucking care.
I've already had three rows with people taking the piss, so thanks again Villa, and it's not even mid-morning yet.
My day just gets better and better here in Brum.
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Frankly it still surprises me that people thought we'd walk this before a ball was kicked. Which Aston Villa have they been watching?
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Big up the new half season ticket holders with their "guaranteed Wembley seat", too.
That promotion was kind of asking for it.
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Given - not much he could have done beyond Christ-like miracles.
Lowton - really poor, as he has been for a few games. Positionally he seems to have no clue, and he looks leggy having played so many games.
Clark - looks less and less like he'll make it. Terrible how he lost some of his aerial duels.
Baker - was often forced to defend more desperate situations than he'd have liked due to the deficiencies of others. Not his fault, basically.
Bennett - real garbage, never tight enough to the man in possession or marking the most likely receiver of a pass, never in position, always on his heels, looked stoned out there.
Bannan - some missteps but created almost all of the chances which we should have scored. Should play further forward where he influences the game more.
Delph - utter and total waste of space. Disastrous performance that was like playing with 10 against 12. Horrible.
Agbonlahor - just not enough from a supposedly Premier League player. Held the ball up okay, but his touch is nowhere near good enough, he plays with his head down and just generally looks deficient.
N'Zogbia - look Ailsa Stewart, like the only attacking midfielder who might cause problems. Created more openings than made mistakes and worked hard enough. Again, not his fault.
Weimann - out of position so hard to judge, although he again showed that killer instinct in front of goal we otherwise lack so painfully.
Benteke - how many chances can you miss? Holding up the ball and all that against a League 2 side is the minimum you expect from a striker like him - his finishing was horrific.
Bent - wasn't on the pitch long before the injury curtailed his involvement, but f**k me he should have buried that headed chance. Jumped too early, which is just a weird thing to do.
Burke - can't judge, though he worked hard enough, as you'd expect.
Overall, this is a dark night. Things need to change and fast. The game looked like Bradford were the ruthless top-tier side and we were the plucky-but-toothless minnows. It was pathetic, the latest in a growing line of humiliations, and it's all getting rather too much.
Pretty much agree with all of the this apart from Lowton, who I thought looked semi-ok.
Maybe on reflection it was more a half-decent performance spattered with poor moments from Lowton.
As for N'Zogbia, by the way, I have no clue who Ailsa Stewart is, or why she has to 'look' on the subject of Zog. I did post this a touch under the influence though, so who knows.
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Tranmere were a good second tier side. Not fourth tier!
I don't understand the criticism of nzogbia though. He was our most dangerous player by a mile
Agreed, N'Zogbia was probably our best player along with Delph (which I never thought I'd say)
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Well, it wasn't good, was it?
Our midfield is so weak and lacking in shape that it was easy for them. The front 4 needed to make something happen for us, but didn't, with the exception of Weimann. Even taking the goal aside, he was looking to drop deep to get on the ball and give the midfielders an option. Clark (but it might have been Baker?) stepped into midfield once towards the end of the first half and that lead to a chance.
Given we know we have troubles at the back, who of that 'front 6' was there to protect the back 4? I know we're short on bodies at the moment, but be it through tactics or the team he picked, Lambert got it wrong.
We still had more possession, more corners and more shots on target, but Bradford had more belief. And it's that mental aspect Lambert HAS to get right in preperation for a very important set of games coming up.
That and some new players!
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Is it just me or is there a lot of overreaction. Bradford must be doing well to get this far and they have have just knocked Arsenal out. Bradford's keeper wins man of the match and the majority are saying how crap we were.
We weren't entirely crap, we created lots of chances, and didn't take them.
The problem is the defending. I look at their second and third goals, and I'm not thinking "oh no, we're not going to Wembley", I'm thinking "much more of that, and we're going down, without a doubt".
Agreed Paulie, I actually thought Clark was going to cry at one point. I feel sorry for the lad, he's so out of his depth in this current run and he's the captain! Should have been 2-0 up and we'd not be having this conversation.
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I'm struggling to recall a Villa player who looks quite so uninterested and uncommitted as N'Zogbia.
Hmm, the other ten that started alongside him for starters. Was our best player last night.
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Their two strikers we just sat on top of Messi and Delph and stopped them getting the ball, or putting them under pressure as soon as they had it.
We didn't alter anything to deal with this. As CJohn said when Baker took the ball up the pitch it changed the dynamic of the midfield and created space and eventually a chance, but this was a fleeting positive during the game.
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I actually thought Clark was going to cry at one point. I feel sorry for the lad, he's so out of his depth in this current run and he's the captain! Should have been 2-0 up and we'd not be having this conversation.
When cross after cross was coming in from Bennet's side no-one seemed to be offering him any advice, encouragement or a bollocking. We desperately need some character at the back.
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I must say Bennett's performance was one of the worst I've seen in a villa shirt, and I like to think I'm not as prone to the hyperbole of some others!!
I didn't think Delph was as horrific as some said. But you do have to worry when Clark and Bennett are being repeatedly skinned by a player in the fourth division. Bennett barely stopped a cross all game.
I've backed him because he looks really promising going forward but last night was probably the poorest performance I've ever seen by a Villan...
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Is it just me or is there a lot of overreaction. Bradford must be doing well to get this far and they have have just knocked Arsenal out. Bradford's keeper wins man of the match and the majority are saying how crap we were.
We weren't entirely crap, we created lots of chances, and didn't take them.
The problem is the defending. I look at their second and third goals, and I'm not thinking "oh no, we're not going to Wembley", I'm thinking "much more of that, and we're going down, without a doubt".
Agreed Paulie, I actually thought Clark was going to cry at one point. I feel sorry for the lad, he's so out of his depth in this current run and he's the captain! Should have been 2-0 up and we'd not be having this conversation.
That's the thing. People go on about them being from League 2, but when basic defending deserts you it really doesn't matter who it is you're presenting golden chances to!
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Those having a go at the fans can get knotted. The vast majority were well behaved, supported their team throughout and had little reward for shelling out their hard earned for that dog's breakfast of a performance. The focus is always on the minority of idiots.
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Frankly it still surprises me that people thought we'd walk this before a ball was kicked. Which Aston Villa have they been watching?
All my pre-match confidence drained away when I saw the team selection. I've come to the conclusion Lambert doesn't do caution, no matter the opposition (Chelsea) or the occasion (yesterday).
Like our kids, he has a hell of a lot to learn.
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I must say Bennett's performance was one of the worst I've seen in a villa shirt, and I like to think I'm not as prone to the hyperbole of some others!!
I didn't think Delph was as horrific as some said. But you do have to worry when Clark and Bennett are being repeatedly skinned by a player in the fourth division. Bennett barely stopped a cross all game.
I've backed him because he looks really promising going forward but last night was probably the poorest performance I've ever seen by a Villan...
The local paper says today that they had identified Bennett as the weak link and built their tactics around that. If they can see it then so will 19 other clubs!!!
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What on earth do people expect? We're at half time in a cup semi-final. We've had a shit first half but with some composure could easily have been winning by the same margin ourselves.
I take your point, there were several things we did well this evening, and should have had the game out of sight.
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me, it's not that we're 3-1 down halfway through, it's that the same problems which we have seen for a chunk of the season are still there, even when we're playing a league two side.
I can totally live with not reaching the final. Yes, it'd be embarassing, but then again, I'd back either Swansea or Chelsea to have enough to beat us in any case.
It's not that I am worried about, it is that this trajectory of increasing shitness in midfield and a defence who look like they've never met each other before is going to continue to punt us down the league and into the Championship
Defend like we did for the second and third goals - and that's what we've done most of the season - and you get relegated. There's not much getting away from that.
Yep, I actually care very little whether or not we get through to Wembley this year, it's more that it's another in a long line of abject and worrying performances against lesser and lesser teams. The real fear is relegation not missing out on a possible trip to Wembley.
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I must say Bennett's performance was one of the worst I've seen in a villa shirt, and I like to think I'm not as prone to the hyperbole of some others!!
I didn't think Delph was as horrific as some said. But you do have to worry when Clark and Bennett are being repeatedly skinned by a player in the fourth division. Bennett barely stopped a cross all game.
I've backed him because he looks really promising going forward but last night was probably the poorest performance I've ever seen by a Villan...
The local paper says today that they had identified Bennett as the weak link and built their tactics around that. If they can see it then so will 19 other clubs!!!
Unfortunately there was1 person that couldn't last night.
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Im always quite positive, but i thought the teams performance was an absolute disgrace. Im very critical of Lerner, but last night the buck stops with the players. I thought Bannans performance especially in the first half was lamentable, strolling around without a care in the world, rarely making any runs, finding space, basically hiding. Even Delph was having a go at him, trying to get him going.
Our achilles heel is undoubtedly defending set pieces, this has been a problem all season and shows no sign of abating. Absolute no organsisation, and thats down to the players, even sunday league players know when it comes to corners you pick a man and you stick to him, its not rocket science.
So blaming Lambert last night is futile in my opinion. In his post match interview he looked as flabagasted as the rest of us, when talking about the defending at set pieces. As a manager you can only do so much with the players, if they cant do the basics right, the basics which you learn at schoolboy level, then what else can you do!
For what its worth, the only players to come out of credit last night were Nzogbia who always looked a threat and And Weimann who worked his socks off, but the others were pathetic in all honesty. I still think we will get to the final, but I think this is a very damaging defeat as regards being able to fight against relegation, every premiership team are going to fancy there chances against us. I would also like to add, i thought our fans were brilliant last night, and thats the only thing we have to be proud of our club this morning, yes there were many angry claret and blue at valley parade last night, but after that gutless performance can you honestly blame them.
On a personal note the only positive note of last night, i was back on my drive for 11pm, oh and im off work this week so i can hide for a few days!
UTV!!!!
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We Need a Martin Laursen type character.
Yes please. The man himself wouldn't go amiss as defence coach
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I must say Bennett's performance was one of the worst I've seen in a villa shirt, and I like to think I'm not as prone to the hyperbole of some others!!
I didn't think Delph was as horrific as some said. But you do have to worry when Clark and Bennett are being repeatedly skinned by a player in the fourth division. Bennett barely stopped a cross all game.
I've backed him because he looks really promising going forward but last night was probably the poorest performance I've ever seen by a Villan...
The local paper says today that they had identified Bennett as the weak link and built their tactics around that. If they can see it then so will 19 other clubs!!!
Indeed Bennett should have been subbed!
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We Need a Martin Laursen type character.
Yes please. The man himself wouldn't go amiss as defence coach
The man himself wouldnt go amiss as a defender. Thirty five with a shot knee and he would still be our best defender at the moment.
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Id put Mcgrath along side him, at least with them 2, we would be able to clear a corner!
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We could probably tempt Mellberg back from the Spanish second division, as well.
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Some bloke on our coach took offence to Bradford fans waving goodbye, ffs its Bradford they have beat a prem side and they are league 2, Id go mental, who can blame them for enjoying it
There were a handful outside a pub about a mile or so from the ground waving at the coaches as we went past. I waved back. They have every right to enjoy themselves and indulge in a little piss taking.
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Elements of our support was a disgrace last night, fighting amongst themselves, (saw at least 2 fights), and if you were the bloke in block E row f seat 127, you are the most disgusting fan i have ever met, non stop vitriol (effing and C'ing) at our players from the very first to the last whistle.
i can appreciate some frustration, but this is out of order!
They had to close the Queens pub because of, alleged, trouble.
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Absolutely no excuse for vandalism (unless at small Heath). Total morons.
I understand their frustration though. In these austere times to shell out on a night what £40 ticket, coach £15? Other sundries £25, so about £80 to watch the players do what they did last night . Absolutely understand the anger.
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Absolutely no excuse for vandalism (unless at small Heath). Total morons.
I understand their frustration though. In these austere times to shell out on a night what £40 ticket, coach £15? Other sundries £25, so about £80 to watch the players do what they did last night . Absolutely understand the anger.
£25 ticket, £20 coach and £25 for taxi back from Birmingham. Plus the cost of food and drink.
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I can't believe how many are calling for Lambert to go. Had Benteke taken any of the numerous early chances, it'd have been a different game entirely. So they scored and we caved, that's football, we all know it. It happens. We're in a shite run but sacking yet another manager won't solve that.
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For me:
Given - Did nothing wrong but isn't vocal so doesn't help the inexperienced defence get organised.
Lowton - Looked tired and got caught out a few times by not concentrating (both in attack and defence), he really needs a few games to rest.
Baker - The best of the defence on the night, didn't really do anything wrong and put in a few last ditch tackles to bail out the other 3.
Clark - Carrying far too much responsibility at the minute and the pressure has got to him massively after he originally appeared to grow from the responsibility the Chelsea game broke his confidence in both himself and the other youngsters, he needs a few games out to get his belief back.
Bennett - Terrible performance, easily the worst player on the pitch, had no idea how to handle Hines and just withdrew further and further into his shell. Gave away the corners that led to the 1st and 3rd through poor defending and didn't follow his man for their 2nd. I can only think of 1-2 chances they had which didn't come from their right side. Should have been taken off at half time.
Delph - Sat too deep but didn't shield the defence by doing so, made himself far to easy to be marked by their forwards, letting them defend with 2 deeper central midfielders, which killed the space for the front 4. Was fairly neat and tidy going forward but didn't really create anything or threaten to score himself.
Bannan - One of 2 players who regularly looked to create chances for the others, could easily have had 3-4 assists on the night (in particular the 2 crosses early in the 2nd half were absolute class and showed what he could offer in the role Nzogbia had). Still sat too deep though and was sloppy with the ball a few too many times.
Weimann - Did well when he got the ball, we need to find him in the box much more often. Wasted a good chance early on by trying to pass when it was begging for him to go himself.
Nzogbia - Looked decent but he doesn't play for Aston Villa, He plays for Charles Nzogbia whilst wearing a Villa shirt. Far too many times he ran away from his support and then ended up with a tame shot or losing the ball.
Gabby - Very sloppy in possession, didn't look fit enough to have started.
Benteke - Constant threat but really should've taken at least 1 of his chances, was always looking to bring others into the game and, like Bannan, was at the heart of everything we did well.
Bent - Only when a team is on a run like us can they bring on one of the best goalscorers in english football, have him miss a sitter and injure himself in the process.
Burke - Didn't really have the time to get involved much, was a strange choice at the time, Carruthers would've been a much better choice.
Lambert - He really isn't doing himself any favours. All 3 of their goals were as a result of piss poor defending from corners, lower league sides will always look at set pieces being their best chance and we were far too accommodating. Bad mistake to not replace Bennett at half time and should have been shouting at Bannan and Delph to get further up the pitch.
Overall, if we'd taken our chances and we weren't so soft from corners we could've won comfortably and, other than Bennett I don't think anyone was particularly poor, we can definitely still go through but we really need to get someone to organise the defence.
To add a comment about Matt Duke - I've seen a few people say we didn't test him, that's because his positioning was exceptional all night. A good goalie will rarely need to make the big diving saves, they simply get there positioning right and make things look simple. On the night he was easily the man of the match and, if he's like that regularly, should be playing at a far higher level, he was very very impressive.
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I can't believe how many are calling for Lambert to go. Had Benteke taken any of the numerous early chances, it'd have been a different game entirely. So they scored and we caved, that's football, we all know it. It happens. We're in a shite run but sacking yet another manager won't solve that.
That's not really the issue, and I kind of agree on getting rid of the manager by the way. However he doesn't appear to do anything to deal with our defensive and midfield issue. It can't be ignored anymore, of our back line the only one I'd start is Lowton and in the midfield the only one would be Westwood. So that leaves a lot of gaps to fill with quality players and also actually do some defensive coaching.
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I can't believe how many are calling for Lambert to go. Had Benteke taken any of the numerous early chances, it'd have been a different game entirely. So they scored and we caved, that's football, we all know it. It happens. We're in a shite run but sacking yet another manager won't solve that.
On a positive note, Benteke's finishing last night and his recent performances suggest he will be off the radar of the bigger clubs for a while.
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Absolutely no excuse for vandalism (unless at small Heath). Total morons.
I understand their frustration though. In these austere times to shell out on a night what £40 ticket, coach £15? Other sundries £25, so about £80 to watch the players do what they did last night . Absolutely understand the anger.
£25 ticket, £20 coach and £25 for taxi back from Birmingham. Plus the cost of food and drink.
So all in all not far off £80. Hope you had a good curry up there at least.
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I can't believe how many are calling for Lambert to go. Had Benteke taken any of the numerous early chances, it'd have been a different game entirely. So they scored and we caved, that's football, we all know it. It happens. We're in a shite run but sacking yet another manager won't solve that.
That's not really the issue, and I kind of agree on getting rid of the manager by the way. However he doesn't appear to do anything to deal with our defensive and midfield issue. It can't be ignored anymore, of our back line the only one I'd start is Lowton and in the midfield the only one would be Westwood. So that leaves a lot of gaps to fill with quality players and also actually do some defensive coaching.
Fair enough, let's see what he does now the windows is open.
In terms of coaching, I'd wager they do lots, despite what it looks like right now. How long did George Graham take to solidify the Arsenal defence? Not saying that's what we will become but it probably will take time. They need to get used to each other. We will get better. Anyway, we're all hurting right now, I don't mean to preach.
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Big up the new half season ticket holders with their "guaranteed Wembley seat", too.
That promotion was kind of asking for it.
I said at the time it was a stupid idea.Another bonkers idea by the board.
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I can't believe how many are calling for Lambert to go. Had Benteke taken any of the numerous early chances, it'd have been a different game entirely. So they scored and we caved, that's football, we all know it. It happens. We're in a shite run but sacking yet another manager won't solve that.
Totally agree.
So we were subject to a "giant killing" performance, we're not the first and won't be the last, and the tie's not over yet.
If we had someone to put the early chances away, the fans would be posting a different set of messages.
Our defensive frailties are there for all to see, and it's up to PL and his henchmen to do something about it, as well as improve our strikers ability to put the ball in the net.
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Who's gonna be handing out the cyanide pills on saturday?
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Lambert's demeanour on the bench concerned me last night. He looked a beaten, broken man with nothing left to offer.
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Lambert's demeanour on the bench concerned me last night. He looked a beaten, broken man with nothing left to offer.
When it was clear Bent was injured and he wanted to come off, i couldnt believe how long it took for him to replace him, there was no communication between either of them, he just carried on sitting on the bench. I do hope he is not broken, otherwise we really are doomed!
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I can't believe how many are calling for Lambert to go. Had Benteke taken any of the numerous early chances, it'd have been a different game entirely. So they scored and we caved, that's football, we all know it. It happens. We're in a shite run but sacking yet another manager won't solve that.
Quite. And don't pack your trunk or say goodbye, the clowns may have been poor but I hear the the piss artists are good.
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I think if we lose to Southampon on Saturday, it'll be similar to the Bolton match for TSM when it became clear that things were never, ever going to work.
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Like to see Warnock start in midfield at the weekend.
How's Forest treating you alex?
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I think if we lose to Southampon on Saturday, it'll be similar to the Bolton match for TSM when it became clear that things were never, ever going to work.
Genuinely or wishful thinking?
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Those having a go at the fans can get knotted. The vast majority were well behaved, supported their team throughout and had little reward for shelling out their hard earned for that dog's breakfast of a performance. The focus is always on the minority of idiots.
can get knotted can we john? how about the idiot standing behind me with the lit lighter taunting the home fans, defend him, i dare ya!
as i said in my original post, there are elements of our fans who are a disgrace. if that guy had been caught on camera do you think the headline would have been 'an aston villa fan taunts bradford fans over the fire'? or do you think it would have been' villa fans taunt bradford fans over fire'! we would all get tarred with the same brush. so whatever the ticket price, performance of the team waste of afternoon off work whatever, defend this idiot!
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Well that was a pleasurable experience, having managed to avoid him all day the Bradford supporter at work just warmly greeted me.
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Oh it was also apparent, we largely started to go tits up as soon as Clark started hoofing it up front.
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Apparently, if you set yourself on fire with a gallon of petrol, it stops hurting after a minute or so because the pain receptors in your skin are cauterised.*
This morning has been a bit like that.
Every fucker in the building has stopped at my desk to take the piss. Am now immune to further ridicule, wanker gestures and concern trolling.
*shortly afterwards, you die
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I'm still waiting for my refund from Stamford Bridge. Who should I speak to ?
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Last night was a disgrace, Lambert seemed clueless and had no plan B other than hump it long, there appears to be no defensive coaching at all and the midfield is the worst i've seen at the villa. Can anyone tell what system Lambert is playing? Pass it along the back before lumping it long to Benteke is not the football we were promised. No width, no creativity and acres of space for teams to hurt us out wide. Our full backs are being hung out to dry as they have no protection and also have to try and be our only line of attack out wide. 4-4-2 for the rest of the season with pace out wide and cover for the full backs to do what they should be and that is defending is the only answer. Get back to basics and move on from there and don't over confuse the bloody game. We will all turn up at Villa park on the 22nd and will roar the Villa to Wembley. Bradford have had their day and seem a little cocky so lets ram it back down their throats. If Lambert can't get the players up for that one it is time for him to go. For god's sake Lerner take a look at what's going on and get a grip. We've all been hurt but as usual will be there on saturday when hopefully Lambert and the players will show they've been hurt as much as we have. Still no talk of any signings on the horizon, baffling!!!!
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Well that was a pleasurable experience, having managed to avoid him all day the Bradford supporter at work just warmly greeted me.
Ignore my earlier advice Chris, grab him in a headlock and wrestle him to the ground, sobbing, until the snot runs down your face
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Apparently, if you set yourself on fire with a gallon of petrol, it stops hurting after a minute or so because the pain receptors in your skin are cauterised.*
This morning has been a bit like that.
Every fucker in the building has stopped at my desk to take the piss. Am now immune to further ridicule, wanker gestures and concern trolling.
*shortly afterwards, you die
poor taste after my previous post damon!
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Well that was a pleasurable experience, having managed to avoid him all day the Bradford supporter at work just warmly greeted me.
Ignore my earlier advice Chris, grab him in a headlock and wrestle him to the ground, sobbing, until the snot runs down your face
I'm skint, he does the wages. I took your advice, smiled and thought just you wait until the second leg. No doubt I'll have to phone in sick to avoid further humiliation.
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Rutski, I agree about that twat of a so called fan but what Damon said wasn't related and actually cheered me up in some small way.
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I think if we lose to Southampon on Saturday, it'll be similar to the Bolton match for TSM when it became clear that things were never, ever going to work.
Genuinely or wishful thinking?
I don't want him to get sacked, to do so now would be nuts for a lot of reasons, but then again, if we lost badly to Southampton, we would have a sequence of results which a manager deserves to get the sack for.
If that makes sense.
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I'm struggling to recall a Villa player who looks quite so uninterested and uncommitted as N'Zogbia.
Stephen Ireland? In fairness to Zog he looks busy when he's near the ball. The blind alleys he runs down are the main thing that annoys me about him.
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poor taste after my previous post damon!
Yes, possibly. To be honest if I saw somebody holding a lighter in the air at a stadium I'd assume I'd stumbled into a Bon Jovi concert by mistake
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I think if we lose to Southampon on Saturday, it'll be similar to the Bolton match for TSM when it became clear that things were never, ever going to work.
Genuinely or wishful thinking?
I don't want him to get sacked, to do so now would be nuts for a lot of reasons, but then again, if we lost badly to Southampton, we would have a sequence of results which a manager deserves to get the sack for.
If that makes sense.
Perfect sense.I don't think Wolves wanted to sack MM but it just came to a point where they had no choice but to.
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I think if we lose to Southampon on Saturday, it'll be similar to the Bolton match for TSM when it became clear that things were never, ever going to work.
Genuinely or wishful thinking?
I don't want him to get sacked, to do so now would be nuts for a lot of reasons, but then again, if we lost badly to Southampton, we would have a sequence of results which a manager deserves to get the sack for.
If that makes sense.
Lerner and Faulkner must be pondering what to do if we lose to Southampton and then Albion. Unthinkable but a distinct possibility at the moment.
I can't help but think that there is a sense of panic in the corridors of VP today that will mean some funds will be released but if they haven't been considering options for the last few weeks it is extremely difficult to prise players away from clubs when they know you've become desperate.
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There's no room for sentiment in Football, it's a results business and PL will be out by the end of January in my opinion. I'd much rather have Harry Redknapp in charge!
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I'm struggling to recall a Villa player who looks quite so uninterested and uncommitted as N'Zogbia.
Stephen Ireland? In fairness to Zog he looks busy when he's near the ball. The blind alleys he runs down are the main thing that annoys me about him.
Had me on the edge of my sofa every time he had the ball last night because he takes players on and opens up space - that's the type of player he is, frustrating at times but creates opportunities. No-one else in the squad can do what he does.
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Last night was a horrifying vision of what life could be like in the Championship next year.
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The first bit of advice I'd give to Lambert right now is to stop calling O'Neill.
I am really puzzled by last night. There must be something of a siege mentality setting in at VP.
Lambert seemed to pick 7 players for one half of the pitch and 4 for the other, with the main means of joining the two together being a big boot of the ball in the general direction of Benteke.
It makes no sense at all. It's a waste of Benteke's talent and is probably the one tactic most easily dealt with by a div 4 outfit.
Add in the fact that several players put in less than sparkling performances meant that we really were asking for it.
Bennett was identified as a weak point? No doubt if he had still been playing for Boro - 2 divs above Bradford - he'd have been identified as the stronger point and they would have attacked down the right.
It should not have mattered. Events over xmas really has knocked the stuffing out of the team and the manager. We need leadership from the touchline as well as on the pitch.
Lambert is not that stupid, even the bad players are not that bad.
Who was it talking a while back about a sports psychologist?
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Who was it talking a while back about a sports psychologist?
It was my dad. But think we're past the stage of therapy, I think counselling would be more appropriate
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I can't believe how many are calling for Lambert to go. Had Benteke taken any of the numerous early chances, it'd have been a different game entirely. So they scored and we caved, that's football, we all know it. It happens. We're in a shite run but sacking yet another manager won't solve that.
Totally agree.
So we were subject to a "giant killing" performance, we're not the first and won't be the last, and the tie's not over yet.
If we had someone to put the early chances away, the fans would be posting a different set of messages.
Our defensive frailties are there for all to see, and it's up to PL and his henchmen to do something about it, as well as improve our strikers ability to put the ball in the net.
Yes, as an isolated game it happens, move on. But this is just the latest in a long line of humiliations.
I'm not saying anything more than that but the fans aren't upset because of this one-off game
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There always has to be a pointy at which the trigger gets pulled, however, I'd feel for Lambert if the owner feels it has to be this season.
I do wonder if we will have to go through what we went through in the early 70's in order to become a force again. Only this time it will be harder.
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Elements of our support was a disgrace last night, fighting amongst themselves, (saw at least 2 fights), and if you were the bloke in block E row f seat 127, you are the most disgusting fan i have ever met, non stop vitriol (effing and C'ing) at our players from the very first to the last whistle.
i can appreciate some frustration, but this is out of order!
They had to close the Queens pub because of, alleged, trouble.
That was on the WMP twitter feed but wasn't actually true. I made the mistake of going in there, the lot in there were pretty excitable and the local Police decided to make the landlord close and walk everyone to the ground an hour before kick off. There was no actual trouble in there though.
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The first bit of advice I'd give to Lambert right now is to stop calling O'Neill.
I am really puzzled by last night. There must be something of a siege mentality setting in at VP.
Lambert seemed to pick 7 players for one half of the pitch and 4 for the other, with the main means of joining the two together being a big boot of the ball in the general direction of Benteke.
It makes no sense at all. It's a waste of Benteke's talent and is probably the one tactic most easily dealt with by a div 4 outfit.
Add in the fact that several players put in less than sparkling performances meant that we really were asking for it.
Bennett was identified as a weak point? No doubt if he had still been playing for Boro - 2 divs above Bradford - he'd have been identified as the stronger point and they would have attacked down the right.
It should not have mattered. Events over xmas really has knocked the stuffing out of the team and the manager. We need leadership from the touchline as well as on the pitch.
Lambert is not that stupid, even the bad players are not that bad.
Who was it talking a while back about a sports psychologist?
the one point about lumping it forward last night is correct but i dont believe the fans help as when we have posession on the deck because of recent results there is a demand to get it forward quickly. noticed this starting at the wigan match and has got stronger every game.
we do need to take the lead, going one down seems to knock the stuffing out of us and confidence in the game plan dissipates quickly. this is where the couple of experienced players are needed to get all to calm down and do things as per game plan.
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Those having a go at the fans can get knotted. The vast majority were well behaved, supported their team throughout and had little reward for shelling out their hard earned for that dog's breakfast of a performance. The focus is always on the minority of idiots.
can get knotted can we john? how about the idiot standing behind me with the lit lighter taunting the home fans, defend him, i dare ya!
as i said in my original post, there are elements of our fans who are a disgrace. if that guy had been caught on camera do you think the headline would have been 'an aston villa fan taunts bradford fans over the fire'? or do you think it would have been' villa fans taunt bradford fans over fire'! we would all get tarred with the same brush. so whatever the ticket price, performance of the team waste of afternoon off work whatever, defend this idiot!
Fair enough Rutski, but most fans were OK in my book. These fuckers you mention don't deserve the time of day and I certainly wouldn't defend them.
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Elements of our support was a disgrace last night, fighting amongst themselves, (saw at least 2 fights), and if you were the bloke in block E row f seat 127, you are the most disgusting fan i have ever met, non stop vitriol (effing and C'ing) at our players from the very first to the last whistle.
i can appreciate some frustration, but this is out of order!
They had to close the Queens pub because of, alleged, trouble.
That was on the WMP twitter feed but wasn't actually true. I made the mistake of going in there, the lot in there were pretty excitable and the local Police decided to make the landlord close and walk everyone to the ground an hour before kick off. There was no actual trouble in there though.
According to the Bradford press there were 'known' Villa hooligans in there and a Bradford fan was headbutted when he tried to enter the pub?
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10147936.Bradford_City_fan_claims_he_was_headbutted_ahead_of_Aston_Villa_clash/?ref=mr (http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/10147936.Bradford_City_fan_claims_he_was_headbutted_ahead_of_Aston_Villa_clash/?ref=mr)
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He was just by us and had come in to sort out the row with our lot from what I could make out. There was a bit of verbals.
It wasn't a pleasant atmosphere in there and we left but there wasn't trouble and there must have been 40 police in and around the pub.
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Lambert seemed to pick 7 players for one half of the pitch and 4 for the other, with the main means of joining the two together being a big boot of the ball in the general direction of Benteke.
It makes no sense at all. It's a waste of Benteke's talent and is probably the one tactic most easily dealt with by a div 4 outfit.
What is even more frustrating is that during the short periods of the game when we did actually get the ball down and play, we caused Bradford all kinds of problems. In those short periods, we managed to get N'Zogbia on the ball in dangerous areas and we created a number of chances. I just couldn't understand why we persisted with hitting so many long balls (the majority of which went nowhere near their intended target) when it was clear that tactic wasn't going to work.
I've recovered a little from the disappointment and hurt of last night and still believe that we can win the tie. We are going to need some width though as I would expect them to pack the midfield.
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Who was it talking a while back about a sports psychologist?
It was my dad. But think we're past the stage of therapy, I think counselling would be more appropriate
Celtic have brought in Jim McGuinness who's well known over here for turning a group of no-hope Gaelic footballers into champions in the space of two years. (You can't make transfers in Gaelic football so to achieve what he did with that group of players really was a tribute to Jim's sports psychology qualifications.
I genuinely think Villa need somebody with similar credentials at the club. We are mentally fragile with no belief.
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Last night was a horrifying vision of what life could be like in the Championship next year.
Or League 1 in 2014
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I've just had a fantastic idea. Why don't we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and go again?
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Elements of our support was a disgrace last night, fighting amongst themselves, (saw at least 2 fights), and if you were the bloke in block E row f seat 127, you are the most disgusting fan i have ever met, non stop vitriol (effing and C'ing) at our players from the very first to the last whistle.
i can appreciate some frustration, but this is out of order!
They had to close the Queens pub because of, alleged, trouble.
That was on the WMP twitter feed but wasn't actually true. I made the mistake of going in there, the lot in there were pretty excitable and the local Police decided to make the landlord close and walk everyone to the ground an hour before kick off. There was no actual trouble in there though.
Thanks. Yes, I did read it on twitter.
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I've just had a fantastic idea. Why don't we pick ourselves up, dust ourselves off and go again?
Do that we'll be fine, we're all fine.
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Sorry if this is the wrong place to post it, but i have just discovered the youth team got thrashed 4-0 in the 3rd round of the F A Youth cup also last night to mighty Peterborough .What the hell is happening to our club ?
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I can't believe how many are calling for Lambert to go. Had Benteke taken any of the numerous early chances, it'd have been a different game entirely. So they scored and we caved, that's football, we all know it. It happens. We're in a shite run but sacking yet another manager won't solve that.
Quite. And don't pack your trunk or say goodbye, the clowns may have been poor but I hear the the piss artists are good.
The clowns certainly were poor last night. (I'm not an elephant, by the way, despite working on it over Christmas!)
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The afternoon after the night before. I work in Bradford and to be fair my colleagues have been surprisingly gentle on me. They seem quite concerned about the second leg and a few have mentioned how much we dominated them at the start of the game. I'm hoping their players are having similar doubts and bottle it. Last night was an embarrassment but we've got another chance. Let's take it.
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The afternoon after the night before. I work in Bradford and to be fair my colleagues have been surprisingly gentle on me. They seem quite concerned about the second leg and a few have mentioned how much we dominated them at the start of the game. I'm hoping their players are having similar doubts and bottle it. Last night was an embarrassment but we've got another chance. Let's take it.
Yeah, I've calmed down a lot, I didn't sleep much at all out of anger/hurt but looking back on it had Benteke taken one of his 4 chances before they scored we could have rolled them over. Bent missing at 0 1 was also a key moment in the game, an early goal is imperative in the next leg
We need a packed out Villa Park and a rocking atmosphere
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Elements of our support was a disgrace last night, fighting amongst themselves, (saw at least 2 fights), and if you were the bloke in block E row f seat 127, you are the most disgusting fan i have ever met, non stop vitriol (effing and C'ing) at our players from the very first to the last whistle.
i can appreciate some frustration, but this is out of order!
Also the knobhead who thought it funny to smash up the toilets after the game. Why people have to take their frustration out on a Division Four club who have had the nerve to beat us is beyond me. Their staff must be glad they are still in a lowly division when they go round and inspect the damage today.
Also the mindless idiot who held up his cigarette lighter with flame turned up when me and my son were making our way out of Block D, baiting the home support about the fire in 85 no doubt. Totally out of order and in disgustingly bad taste these morons really do give the club a bad image.
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Elements of our support was a disgrace last night, fighting amongst themselves, (saw at least 2 fights), and if you were the bloke in block E row f seat 127, you are the most disgusting fan i have ever met, non stop vitriol (effing and C'ing) at our players from the very first to the last whistle.
i can appreciate some frustration, but this is out of order!
Also the knobhead who thought it funny to smash up the toilets after the game. Why people have to take their frustration out on a Division Four club who have had the nerve to beat us is beyond me. Their staff must be glad they are still in a lowly division when they go round and inspect the damage today.
Also the mindless idiot who held up his cigarette lighter with flame turned up when me and my son were making our way out of Block D, baiting the home support about the fire in 85 no doubt. Totally out of order and in disgustingly bad taste these morons really do give the club a bad image.
Hence my comments in the "56th minute" thread.
We have an element of complete arseholes that go to away games.
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The afternoon after the night before. I work in Bradford and to be fair my colleagues have been surprisingly gentle on me. They seem quite concerned about the second leg and a few have mentioned how much we dominated them at the start of the game. I'm hoping their players are having similar doubts and bottle it. Last night was an embarrassment but we've got another chance. Let's take it.
Yeah, I've calmed down a lot, I didn't sleep much at all out of anger/hurt but looking back on it had Benteke taken one of his 4 chances before they scored we could have rolled them over. Bent missing at 0 1 was also a key moment in the game, an early goal is imperative in the next leg
We need a packed out Villa Park and a rocking atmosphere
Yeah you might have got it as well if the club weren't so greedy asking for £39 to sit in Trinity Lower. Anyway my seats have already sold in the general sale so fair enough but at £39 no thanks!
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By the way any news on the pa announcer last night been reported to the F.A yet?
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The afternoon after the night before. I work in Bradford and to be fair my colleagues have been surprisingly gentle on me. They seem quite concerned about the second leg and a few have mentioned how much we dominated them at the start of the game. I'm hoping their players are having similar doubts and bottle it. Last night was an embarrassment but we've got another chance. Let's take it.
Yeah, I've calmed down a lot, I didn't sleep much at all out of anger/hurt but looking back on it had Benteke taken one of his 4 chances before they scored we could have rolled them over. Bent missing at 0 1 was also a key moment in the game, an early goal is imperative in the next leg
We need a packed out Villa Park and a rocking atmosphere
Yeah you might have got it as well if the club weren't so greedy asking for £39 to sit in Trinity Lower. Anyway my seats have already sold in the general sale so fair enough but at £39 no thanks!
Sit somewhere else?
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By the way any news on the pa announcer last night been reported to the F.A yet?
What happened?
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By the way any news on the pa announcer last night been reported to the F.A yet?
What happened?
He was basically taking the piss. Very unprofessional
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By the way any news on the pa announcer last night been reported to the F.A yet?
What happened?
He was basically taking the piss. Very unprofessional
Was it a bit of banter and excitement? Or actually taking the piss?
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Has anybody else been listening to Talk Shite today, Villa have got a right hammering, Fat Quinn has said that Lambert should be sacked and Cov twat Richard Keys this morning said he was 'loving this' and it was 'good to see the Bradford goalkeeper leaving one in on the Villa player'.
Maybe we could use this as motivation ?
There have been a lot of Villa - hating pundits coming out of the woodwork.
Jason Cundy, though, has been particularly kind to Villa this afternoon.
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The afternoon after the night before. I work in Bradford and to be fair my colleagues have been surprisingly gentle on me. They seem quite concerned about the second leg and a few have mentioned how much we dominated them at the start of the game. I'm hoping their players are having similar doubts and bottle it. Last night was an embarrassment but we've got another chance. Let's take it.
Yeah, I've calmed down a lot, I didn't sleep much at all out of anger/hurt but looking back on it had Benteke taken one of his 4 chances before they scored we could have rolled them over. Bent missing at 0 1 was also a key moment in the game, an early goal is imperative in the next leg
We need a packed out Villa Park and a rocking atmosphere
Yeah you might have got it as well if the club weren't so greedy asking for £39 to sit in Trinity Lower. Anyway my seats have already sold in the general sale so fair enough but at £39 no thanks!
Sit somewhere else?
Sorry but last night I sat right over the halfway line on Row S a decent way back at Valley Parade for £25. I just fail to see why Villa can't do the same.
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By the way any news on the pa announcer last night been reported to the F.A yet?
What happened?
I saw one of our fans reporting the Bradford clown to the police(The guy throwing sweets into the crowd at half time) for giving our section the one finger salute after he was greeted with the "who the f***ing hell are you" chant.
A bit pathetic that was.
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Has anybody else been listening to Talk Shite today, Villa have got a right hammering, Fat Quinn has said that Lambert should be sacked and Cov twat Richard Keys this morning said he was 'loving this' and it was 'good to see the Bradford goalkeeper leaving one in on the Villa player'.
Maybe we could use this as motivation ?
There have been a lot of Villa - hating pundits coming out of the woodwork.
Jason Cundy, though, has been particularly kind to Villa this afternoon.
Keys has nothing to be smug about...his team will be out of business soon,i would love that.
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Has anybody else been listening to Talk Shite today, Villa have got a right hammering, Fat Quinn has said that Lambert should be sacked and Cov twat Richard Keys this morning said he was 'loving this' and it was 'good to see the Bradford goalkeeper leaving one in on the Villa player'.
Maybe we could use this as motivation ?
There have been a lot of Villa - hating pundits coming out of the woodwork.
Jason Cundy, though, has been particularly kind to Villa this afternoon.
Keys should be sacked (again) for that. He's a c**t who makes you hope for a hell.
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Has anybody else been listening to Talk Shite today, Villa have got a right hammering, Fat Quinn has said that Lambert should be sacked and Cov twat Richard Keys this morning said he was 'loving this' and it was 'good to see the Bradford goalkeeper leaving one in on the Villa player'.
Maybe we could use this as motivation ?
There have been a lot of Villa - hating pundits coming out of the woodwork.
Jason Cundy, though, has been particularly kind to Villa this afternoon.
What as Cundy saying?
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Did anybody see the two young Muslim women by the corner flag giving out absolute dogs abuse every time our players came near them.It looked quite surreal
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Did anybody have a decent curry?
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Did anybody see the two young Muslim women by the corner flag giving out absolute dogs abuse every time our players came near them.It looked quite surreal
Saw the two girls in headscarfs on the telly.
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Old Monkey Hands would be better off smashing Quinn round the back of Talksport Towers - the pair of cocks
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Did anybody see the two young Muslim women by the corner flag giving out absolute dogs abuse every time our players came near them.It looked quite surreal
Yes, I was in Block E and thought the same. They need a few more lessons about the Koran to show their faith in a better light if that's how they think they should behave.
It was quite funny and not what you normally see at football grounds. I'm quite pleased they got so carried away with it all.
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Did anybody have a decent curry?
Yes. I also drank in a pub whose owner claimed his parents were the oldest married couple in the world (aged 107 and 100 respectively).
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Did anybody have a decent curry?
Yes. I also drank in a pub whose owner claimed his parents were the oldest married couple in the world (aged 107 and 100 respectively).
He must have been pretty old himself.
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Did anybody have a decent curry?
Yes. I also drank in a pub whose owner claimed his parents were the oldest married couple in the world (aged 107 and 100 respectively).
That pub you recommended was great. Had a good craiq with the Bradford fans in there after the game. Some of which will be using the Bartons for the 2nd leg.
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Found out today the best curry house in Bradford is supposedly Muntaz albeit there's loads of good ones.
Muntaz is where the Queen ate though earlier this year.
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Did anybody have a decent curry?
Yes. I also drank in a pub whose owner claimed his parents were the oldest married couple in the world (aged 107 and 100 respectively).
That pub you recommended was great. Had a good craiq with the Bradford fans in there after the game. Some of which will be using the Bartons for the 2nd leg.
That really is the way it should be. Sounds so much better than expressing your anger by holding a lighter up in the air.
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Did anybody have a decent curry?
Yes. I also drank in a pub whose owner claimed his parents were the oldest married couple in the world (aged 107 and 100 respectively).
That pub you recommended was great. Had a good craiq with the Bradford fans in there after the game. Some of which will be using the Bartons for the 2nd leg.
That really is the way it should be. Sounds so much better than expressing your anger by holding a lighter up in the air.
Or smashing a toilet in.
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On the way there in the car, we saw the team news and one of the first things i said to the lads was that the centre midfield looked a bit lightweight. He should'nt have gone into that game with just Bannan and Delph in the middle. I'd have definatley thrown another midfielder in there. It did'nt need 4 attacking players, he got it so wrong.
When we pulled it back to 2-1, i'd have took N'Zogbia off and put on someone like Ireland just to take the sting out the game and keep it a bit tighter in the middle. Sometime Lambert's tactical awareness is a bit lacking.
We never do things the easy way do we.
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On the way there in the car, we saw the team news and one of the first things i said to the lads was that the centre midfield looked a bit lightweight. He should'nt have gone into that game with just Bannan and Delph in the middle. I'd have definatley thrown another midfielder in there. It did'nt need 4 attacking players, he got it so wrong.
When we pulled it back to 2-1, i'd have took N'Zogbia off and put on someone like Ireland just to take the sting out the game and keep it a bit tighter in the middle. Sometime Lambert's tactical awareness is a bit lacking.
We never do things the easy way do we.
Take off nzogbia and bring on Ireland , are you for real? Ireland is a waster and nzogbia was our best player by far last night.
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On the way there in the car, we saw the team news and one of the first things i said to the lads was that the centre midfield looked a bit lightweight. He should'nt have gone into that game with just Bannan and Delph in the middle. I'd have definatley thrown another midfielder in there. It did'nt need 4 attacking players, he got it so wrong.
When we pulled it back to 2-1, i'd have took N'Zogbia off and put on someone like Ireland just to take the sting out the game and keep it a bit tighter in the middle. Sometime Lambert's tactical awareness is a bit lacking.
We never do things the easy way do we.
Take off nzogbia and bring on Ireland , are you for real? Ireland is a waster and nzogbia was our best player by far last night.
Yes, i am for real Eastie, it's just an opinion if you don't mind. I'm talking for the last 8 minutes of the game just after we scored our goal just to tighten the midfield a bit. Bearing in mind we let another one in after that, maybe we should have.
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I don't think that PL had much option in midfield tbh Clampy, maybe Holman , but thats about it.Ireland, for all his ability, is a wate of space.
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For all the skill he occasionally decides he can be arsed to show on the ball, I don't think I've ever seen Ireland look like he's going to 'tighten the midfield a bit'. Maybe I've not been paying enough attention, but he either seems to be picking out a good attacking pass, or taking a relaxing stroll around the pitch.
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I thought at 2-1 down we looked the most likely to score again but our shocking defending at corners once more let us down.
Was very unhappy with benteke losing his man yet again and allowing him a free header to score their 3 rd and baker was shocking for the 2nd , really sloppy defending .
The miss by benteke with a free header 6 yards out early on was also a shocker as was bents sitter , a really sloppy night all in all.
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I don't think that PL had much option in midfield tbh Clampy, maybe Holman , but thats about it.Ireland, for all his ability, is a wate of space.
Holman would have been in my line up to start the game but he was'nt even on the bench which was a shame. I only suggested Ireland because he was the only midfielder on the bench.
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Did anybody see the two young Muslim women by the corner flag giving out absolute dogs abuse every time our players came near them.It looked quite surreal
Saw them on the tele, yes. The highlight of the evening by far.
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Was Given laughing as the second went in or was that my eyes deceiving me ?
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Was Given laughing as the second went in or was that my eyes deceiving me ?
More a grimace I think, could Delph have done better on the line with the 3rd goal?
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The Asian birds in the corner were hilarious.
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The Asian birds in the corner were hilarious.
Yeah saw that, was like something out of Four Lions
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Was Given laughing as the second went in or was that my eyes deceiving me ?
More a grimace I think, could Delph have done better on the line with the 3rd goal?
Probably, he went for it, but managed to only jump up about 3 inches. With that, and Bent's miss, you have to wonder if gravity works differently in Bodymoor Heath.
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@joebennett27: Still hard to take last night! Dont mind bit of stick defo wasnt at it last night.. #apologies
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Hash tag you were fucking woeful.
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Here's a bit of advice Joe, don't put an exclamation mark after 'Still hard to take last night' it makes it sound like you're joking. Oh and play like a professional footballer.
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Plus make a fucking effort for your extortionate wages.
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Also, 'Still' hard to take. It's not even been a day and you Villa players embarrassed the club and its fans with your display. Believe me a lot of fans are certainly 'still' hurting.
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Plus make a fucking effort for your extortionate wages.
This. 1000 times this.
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In fairness to Bennett, as bad as he was (and he was was poor) he was one of only a few to come over and clap the support last night. Regarding his twitter post, he did'nt have to post that i suppose.
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He's a 22 year old lad who's been thrown into a standard he's clearly not ready for yet. Don't even say that "It was only Bradford City" because that's a very ignorant, narrow-minded approach to take, there are players much better than ours that would've struggled out there like we did.
At least he's shown he's upset we lost and clapped the fans. He's not going to get any better with the world on his back.
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In fairness to Bennett, as bad as he was (and he was was poor) he was one of only a few to come over and clap the support last night. Regarding his twitter post, he did'nt have to post that i suppose.
He did and got quite a bit of abuse for his effort.
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24 hours on and it still hurts.
It was a dreadful evening all round. Traffic was a nightmare in Bradford , which meant we had to beach the car about a mile away and run to the ground.
Got there at the same time as the coaches arrived , which meant the worst crush since Swindon away in 1988 to get in the ground. I was literally pushing people to keep them from crushing my 9 year old lad. Having said that, the guys near us were great on the whole and made sure he got in ok. Thanks if you are reading this.
It was the same at half time - too packed on the concourse- took 20 mins for 8 people to get served - which annoyed an already pretty vexed bunch of fans.
As for the game - we should have been home and dry after 20 mins - benteke missed a bunch of headers and their goalkeeper had a blinder.
But this is possibly our most embarrassing defeat - coming just weeks after our record defeat. The facts don't lie. We are in grave danger of relegation - and this is not the year to go down with the increase in TV revenue from next season.
Lambert needs to find a formation and stick to it.
He also needs to sign some experience - quick. This week - NOW.
Sod Wembley , I am more bothered about staying up.
That said, an early goal in two weeks and who knows ..............it's just whether we will keep a clean sheet that will ultimately make the difference - and I have zero confidence of that.
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The first bit of advice I'd give to Lambert right now is to stop calling O'Neill.
I am really puzzled by last night. There must be something of a siege mentality setting in at VP.
Lambert seemed to pick 7 players for one half of the pitch and 4 for the other, with the main means of joining the two together being a big boot of the ball in the general direction of Benteke.
It makes no sense at all. It's a waste of Benteke's talent and is probably the one tactic most easily dealt with by a div 4 outfit.
Add in the fact that several players put in less than sparkling performances meant that we really were asking for it.
The 4 up front meant there was very little space to run into, made it easy for Bradford to mark them and us completely confused as the 4 were all going for the same ball. Weimann, who's been in great form recently was stuck out wide, making him invisible. Gabby tried to mix it up by dropping deeper and moving inside which was a smart move and I couldn't understand why he and not N'Zogbia, who was playing for himself, was brought off. Bent came on to add to the confusion. Hoofing ala MON seemed to be our only tactic thereafter.
It was a complete mess. Why Lambert thought N'Zogbia was needed from the start, I've no idea. We completely lost our real attacking strength and made things so difficult for ourselves. Tactically, it was right up there with the worst days of MON, something I hoped we'd seen the last of.
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"Agbonlahor: We'll rise to second leg challenge"
I see the o.s bollocks has started. Oh joy
hes past his best.average championship player now
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Let off some steam, Bennett.
Seriously though, give the guy a break. He has been largely shit for us, but he still deserves more opportunities to get it right.
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"Agbonlahor: We'll rise to second leg challenge"
I see the o.s bollocks has started. Oh joy
hes past his best.average championship player now
I thought he was the only one up front trying to change things, very much like Robbie Keane did for us last season, dropping deeper, cutting inside and trying to create space for the others. If he's an "average championship player now", we really are screwed.
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For all the "their keeper played a blinder" stuff - for me he did no more than not drop a bollock - for all of the saves he made, none of them were "how did he keep that out" stuff they were mostly at a reasonable height / distance for him. Definitely more a case of poor finishing for me which is the one thing that still gives a bit of cause for optimism - we were undoubtedly awful for large chunks last night, but still managed to carve out 7/8 really good chances
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For all the "their keeper played a blinder" stuff - for me he did no more than not drop a bollock - for all of the saves he made, none of them were "how did he keep that out" stuff they were mostly at a reasonable height / distance for him. Definitely more a case of poor finishing for me which is the one thing that still gives a bit of cause for optimism - we were undoubtedly awful for large chunks last night, but still managed to carve out 7/8 really good chances
I agree. I actually thought he looked pretty dodgy - Benteke's first half shot from about 20 yards was straight at him but he palmed it for a corner, and for Bent's missed header a fairly straightforward shot bobbled up from him back into the danger area.
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I still can't believe Bent missed that header. He didn't even need to jump, could of waited for it to drop and just nod it down.
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The first bit of advice I'd give to Lambert right now is to stop calling O'Neill.
I am really puzzled by last night. There must be something of a siege mentality setting in at VP.
Lambert seemed to pick 7 players for one half of the pitch and 4 for the other, with the main means of joining the two together being a big boot of the ball in the general direction of Benteke.
It makes no sense at all. It's a waste of Benteke's talent and is probably the one tactic most easily dealt with by a div 4 outfit.
Add in the fact that several players put in less than sparkling performances meant that we really were asking for it.
The 4 up front meant there was very little space to run into, made it easy for Bradford to mark them and us completely confused as the 4 were all going for the same ball. Weimann, who's been in great form recently was stuck out wide, making him invisible. Gabby tried to mix it up by dropping deeper and moving inside which was a smart move and I couldn't understand why he and not N'Zogbia, who was playing for himself, was brought off. Bent came on to add to the confusion. Hoofing ala MON seemed to be our only tactic thereafter.
It was a complete mess. Why Lambert thought N'Zogbia was needed from the start, I've no idea. We completely lost our real attacking strength and made things so difficult for ourselves. Tactically, it was right up there with the worst days of MON, something I hoped we'd seen the last of.
When I heard the team read out I thought exactly the same. Going with 4 attackers and 2 midfielders when we needed to keep it tight. As you say, by switching Andi to play on the right negated his influence on the game in relation to his link up play with Benteke. And then to compound it, he didn't even bother to take Herd or Holman (and I haven't seen anything to say they were unavailable) when one of them in midfield would have stopped Bradford picking up all the loose balls that Jones had a field day with. As you say it was a major tactical cock up by PL from start to finish.
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I know we're all feeling low about this game, but I had a good laugh at this. Summed up how I felt for a while! :)
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I know we're all feeling low about this game, but I had a good laugh at this. Summed up how I felt for a while! :)
Show this to the players. It made my fu*%ing blood boil and if it doesn't do the same to the players to rip Bradford to pieces in the second leg then they shouldn't play for Villa.