Surprised that Lee Hendrie isn't on that list- how old was he when he made his debut?
And after a quick sending-off wasnt seen again for...(a year or two after?).Yeah remember it well, it was at QPR, I would say it's a safe bet to say he's the only Villa player to be sent off on his debut.
And after a quick sending-off wasnt seen again for...(a year or two after?).Yeah remember it well, it was at QPR, I would say it's a safe bet to say he's the only Villa player to be sent off on his debut.
His debut was 23rd Dec 1995, his next game was a start in the borefest home game against Boro 19th March 1996.
And after a quick sending-off wasnt seen again for...(a year or two after?).Yeah remember it well, it was at QPR, I would say it's a safe bet to say he's the only Villa player to be sent off on his debut.
I think I was there, if it's the game where we won 1-0 with Yorke scoring. I was sitting in their family stand. Might have been a different game though.
How did he do when he came on yesterday?
How did he do when he came on yesterday?
Didn't do great i'd forgotten he was on until the shot, he's young so give him time. He shouldn't have come on to be honest at that time we needed to do something different like kodjia on and go 442 but in typical Smith fashion he went like for like.
I don't think with the atmosphere the way it was going yesterday and will probably only get worse as the season goes on putting a young player into that atmosphere will be the best way to go. Maybe next season if things are better (how often have we said that now) then that'll be the best to to ease him into the squad.
How did he do when he came on yesterday?
Didn't do great i'd forgotten he was on until the shot, he's young so give him time. He shouldn't have come on to be honest at that time we needed to do something different like kodjia on and go 442 but in typical Smith fashion he went like for like.
I don't think with the atmosphere the way it was going yesterday and will probably only get worse as the season goes on putting a young player into that atmosphere will be the best way to go. Maybe next season if things are better (how often have we said that now) then that'll be the best to to ease him into the squad.
I took it as a good move and either took place because he’ll get some sort of involvement at Stoke or to send some sort of message to the shower that sat on our bench and have produced nothing in recent weeks.
Yes, that was my take on it, Nunkin.How did he do when he came on yesterday?
Didn't do great i'd forgotten he was on until the shot, he's young so give him time. He shouldn't have come on to be honest at that time we needed to do something different like kodjia on and go 442 but in typical Smith fashion he went like for like.
I don't think with the atmosphere the way it was going yesterday and will probably only get worse as the season goes on putting a young player into that atmosphere will be the best way to go. Maybe next season if things are better (how often have we said that now) then that'll be the best to to ease him into the squad.
I took it as a good move and either took place because he’ll get some sort of involvement at Stoke or to send some sort of message to the shower that sat on our bench and have produced nothing in recent weeks.
How did he do when he came on yesterday?
Didn't do great i'd forgotten he was on until the shot, he's young so give him time. He shouldn't have come on to be honest at that time we needed to do something different like kodjia on and go 442 but in typical Smith fashion he went like for like.
I don't think with the atmosphere the way it was going yesterday and will probably only get worse as the season goes on putting a young player into that atmosphere will be the best way to go. Maybe next season if things are better (how often have we said that now) then that'll be the best to to ease him into the squad.
I took it as a good move and either took place because he’ll get some sort of involvement at Stoke or to send some sort of message to the shower that sat on our bench and have produced nothing in recent weeks.
I'm just worried because an angry Holte End is not a nice place to play in front of even if you're an experienced player. I'm just worried throwing in a 17 year old into that atmosphere will crush him and potentially ruin a player that if delt with the right way could be good.
How did he do when he came on yesterday?
Didn't do great i'd forgotten he was on until the shot, he's young so give him time. He shouldn't have come on to be honest at that time we needed to do something different like kodjia on and go 442 but in typical Smith fashion he went like for like.
I don't think with the atmosphere the way it was going yesterday and will probably only get worse as the season goes on putting a young player into that atmosphere will be the best way to go. Maybe next season if things are better (how often have we said that now) then that'll be the best to to ease him into the squad.
I took it as a good move and either took place because he’ll get some sort of involvement at Stoke or to send some sort of message to the shower that sat on our bench and have produced nothing in recent weeks.
I'm just worried because an angry Holte End is not a nice place to play in front of even if you're an experienced player. I'm just worried throwing in a 17 year old into that atmosphere will crush him and potentially ruin a player that if delt with the right way could be good.
a angry Holte end would never give undue stick or pressure on a 17 year old coming on and giving his best
You must have been supporting a different club to me over the years
It's some going to try and make out giving a 17 year old his debut is a bad thing.
It's some going to try and make out giving a 17 year old his debut is a bad thing.
Playing a 17 year old with the atmosphere that is developing at Villa park is not going to help him thrive, as has been said it'd be wiser to play him at away games. But you keep believing Smith is perfect in every way. All Hail King Smith, Woe Betide Anyone Who Questions Our Great Leader
And after a quick sending-off wasnt seen again for...(a year or two after?).Yeah remember it well, it was at QPR, I would say it's a safe bet to say he's the only Villa player to be sent off on his debut.
I think I was there, if it's the game where we won 1-0 with Yorke scoring. I was sitting in their family stand. Might have been a different game though.
No we lost 1-0
His debut was 23rd Dec 1995, his next game was a start in the borefest home game against Boro 19th March 1996.
We lost 1-0. It was the game we had to bring Spink on to play outfield.
it'd be wiser to play him at away games...Have you experienced the febrile atmosphere at our recent away games?! - the boy will get far more out of playing on his home ground!
It's some going to try and make out giving a 17 year old his debut is a bad thing.
What sort of midfielder is he? Defensive, attacking, good tackler, good in the air, and eye for a goal etc?
Just read the thread as it's bumped up.
Season written off on 19th Feb.
How things change eh.
And after a quick sending-off wasnt seen again for...(a year or two after?).ha ha- I was at Loftus Rd that day. The sending off is about all I can remember!
2 goals on his debut last night for Doncaster
2 goals on his debut last night for DoncasterGood for him! Well done, lad.
What sort of pitch was that!! Like watching a game from the 80's.
Haha - blimey, them were t'days, lad!What sort of pitch was that!! Like watching a game from the 80's.
I wonder if it had bits of broken bottle in the goal mouth like Glebe Farm Rec.
We kept Agbonlahor, what more do you want?
We kept Agbonlahor, what more do you want?I’d be happy if he could be as good as Gabby
It's actually 3 in 6. He looks a good prospect.
We kept Agbonlahor, what more do you want?
Off topic, but I'm really enjoying Gabby as a pundit.
We kept Agbonlahor, what more do you want?
Off topic, but I'm really enjoying Gabby as a pundit.
Is you being iconic?
He is an excellent player. I rate him as highly as I do Archer. The two best players in the U23 squad and both deserve opportunities with the first team this season.
I think it's a great call. I liked Weimann, especially for the goal off his backside that saved our bacon one season. Have I remembered that correctly? Plus his salute in front of the Holte End after the winning goal in the 3-2 vs Manchester City (I think).
I think it's a great call. I liked Weimann, especially for the goal off his backside that saved our bacon one season. Have I remembered that correctly? Plus his salute in front of the Holte End after the winning goal in the 3-2 vs Manchester City (I think).That goal against Man city still, to this day, makes me nervous every time I watch. It's way he left it and ran towards the Holte to celebrate and defender was catching up with the ball....I shudder.
Weimann did score against Fulham under McLeish from a full three inches. I think it eventually went in off his knee as he was almost flat on his face at the time. It was his first Villa goal in McLeish's last win as manager. It was early March 2012 and we didn't win again until September.I think it's a great call. I liked Weimann, especially for the goal off his backside that saved our bacon one season. Have I remembered that correctly? Plus his salute in front of the Holte End after the winning goal in the 3-2 vs Manchester City (I think).
Was the one off his arse against Fulham? That's what I remember but can't be too sure.
Without checking the date it must be near enough seven years ago to the day?Can you be skint again when we next play City?
I bought a second-hand lamp for a fiver that day off a girl in Camden. Skint after six months in London and very little work.
The difference between the very talented kids that get to the top, and the very talented that don't is quite often their work ethic and application on and off the pitch. I wonder how much emphasis is being put on that now. Everything you read about Jack suggests he's trained harder, longer, dune extra sessions etc from a young age despite the press he has got, and that was only increased after a year in league 2. It will be interesting to see if Ramsey does the same following the loan to make sure he's playing at the top level. It may well be why Smith likes Vassilev too, he works so hard when he comes on you at least get that nuisance value.Very much the difference between the more talented Moore brothers and Agbonlahor who for most of his Villa career was a hard working,determined player.
The difference between the very talented kids that get to the top, and the very talented that don't is quite often their work ethic and application on and off the pitch. I wonder how much emphasis is being put on that now. Everything you read about Jack suggests he's trained harder, longer, dune extra sessions etc from a young age despite the press he has got, and that was only increased after a year in league 2. It will be interesting to see if Ramsey does the same following the loan to make sure he's playing at the top level. It may well be why Smith likes Vassilev too, he works so hard when he comes on you at least get that nuisance value.
I know that I don't pay that much attention at times, but until last night I didn't know that there are two Ramseys ....oops :)
Very tidy, I thought. Sharp passing, found good positions to receive the ball. Used it well. Looks like he could develop into a very useful player.
3, Jacob breaking into the seniors, Aaron just moved up to the U23s and Cole is in the U13s I think and is also very highly regarded.
A lot of people seem to think Aaron will breakthrough pretty quickly as well so he could well be around the first team this time next year.
I know that I don't pay that much attention at times, but until last night I didn't know that there are two Ramseys ....oops :)
3, Jacob breaking into the seniors, Aaron just moved up to the U23s and Cole is in the U13s I think and is also very highly regarded.
A lot of people seem to think Aaron will breakthrough pretty quickly as well so he could well be around the first team this time next year.
I know that I don't pay that much attention at times, but until last night I didn't know that there are two Ramseys ....oops :)
3, Jacob breaking into the seniors, Aaron just moved up to the U23s and Cole is in the U13s I think and is also very highly regarded.
A lot of people seem to think Aaron will breakthrough pretty quickly as well so he could well be around the first team this time next year.
Worth mentioning that Aaron is captain of England U17's and more of a defensive midfielder.
Jacob looked comfortable on the ball and made some good runs, while also looking a little green. Happy for him to be involved with the first team or sent on loan to a championship team where he can be a regular.
Of the three brothers, Jacob has the most potential.
The Wallaces of Southampton.
The Wallaces of Southampton.Oh yes , I remember now the joke was Man United buying the wrong Wallace 🤔😃
For me, the main ones to watch this season are Ramsey, Bridge and Archer. All three have the potential to make it. They either need a loan out to gain invaluable experience or some opportunities at first team level in whatever competition to show what they are capable of.
With performances like last night he deserves a place on the bench. A real joy to watch, strength, balance, good technique and vision, the lad's got the lot.
Going to be a star is Jacob!
So all in all the kids could come good.
Because of total brilliance of Traore's finish the boy has not had enough praise about that wonderful floated pass. Looks like he could be.....xGoing to be a star is Jacob!Tell you what, I’ve seen enough promising kids play and look like deer in headlights.
This lad looks very comfortable. Very impressed so far, and he should definitely be on the bench for the Fulham game.
I think he's at the level now where we keep him whoever we bring in this season. He needs to be on the bench every game, and be a rotational player. Getting 20-30 minutes for us, training and playing under Smith in this system, I feel would be far more valuable for him than being kicked up in the air in the Championship.I agree. Ramsey's good enough to be challenging for our first team, even with an extra midfielder coming in. At this stage I'd be encouraging him to get himself firmly established as a first team player.
The confidence and calmness on the ball is the thing that really marks him out as a player with real quality. There's an intangible way that he moves with the ball, and the way the rest of the established first teamers trust him with it, that is reminiscent of the way the seniors trusted Grealish, and enough to convince me that he has something to offer to us this season.
The dressing room sounds like a really positive place to be right now, great to hear that Jacob was given a round of applause by the team after the game for playing in his first Premier League game.
We need to learn our lesson from the mistake we've made in recent years where we keep hold of a player too long and in doing so we forsake their development.
If he can genuinely make a place in the team his own, then keep him. If he's only going to be getting the odd few minutes here and there, his development will benefit much more from playing regular first team football somewhere. Then, in that case, we can make him a regular for us next season when he's 20, filled out more and used to regular senior football.
He looks very promising but think he still needs to bulk up.like Gabby did?
Agreed. Our three best prospects (Ramsey, Bridge and Archer) would all benefit from a loan spell at a lower league club. Worked out well for Grealish at Notts County.
Isn't Vassilev there now?
Isn't Vassilev there now?
Burton.
The time to send players on loan is the gap between academy under 23 and first team. Players that are in the squad and close to the first team should stay.
Ramsey looks like he is very close , but it seems people would rather watch Muscle Bound Ross. Trundling around the midfield achieving fuck all on a hundred grand a week.
As in: gone for one.Isn't Vassilev there now?Burton.
A certain Gordon looked like a figure from a Lowry painting. Until you saw him tackle.Exactly. The sort of all-round midfielder who would thrive even more so now than he did back in the day.
A certain Gordon looked like a figure from a Lowry painting. Until you saw him tackle.Exactly. The sort of all-round midfielder who would thrive even more so now than he did back in the day.
A fantastic player.
Dennis MortimerA certain Gordon looked like a figure from a Lowry painting. Until you saw him tackle.Exactly. The sort of all-round midfielder who would thrive even more so now than he did back in the day.
A fantastic player.
Yes, probably the best midfielder we have ever had, at least in my lifetime anyway
Brilliant though he was , Denis didn't have Sid's range of passing.[/b]
Brilliant though he was , Denis didn't have Sid's range of passing.
The time to send players on loan is the gap between academy under 23 and first team. Players that are in the squad and close to the first team should stay.
Ramsey looks like he is very close , but it seems people would rather watch Muscle Bound Ross. Trundling around the midfield achieving fuck all on a hundred grand a week.
I was to young to see Gordon Cowans as a footballer but he's the origin of me becoming a Villa fan at age 7. Gordon was friends with my Grandad and was a regular customer at his shop. My Grandad arranged with him to get me a Villa shirt and a signed football. That led to me becoming a Villa fan when I was on the path to becoming a glory hunting Liverpool fan before then.Criminal that he only got 17 international caps at all levels. At the time - late 70's - early 80's - he and Glenn Hoddle were way ahead of the other candidates for the creative roles in the England side. Instead, the likes of Sammy Lee, Alan Devonshire, Graham Rix, Terry McDermott and Gary Steven were getting games. Not all those mentioned were like-for-like, but the magic of Cowans and Hoddle combined was never properly tested.
I also knew someone who was a youth apprentice at the time Cowans played for us and he had some training sessions alongside him. He said he was as hard as nails and not someone to mess with.
The time to send players on loan is the gap between academy under 23 and first team. Players that are in the squad and close to the first team should stay.
Ramsey looks like he is very close , but it seems people would rather watch Muscle Bound Ross. Trundling around the midfield achieving fuck all on a hundred grand a week.
I'm not sold on, but I don't necessarily agree that players "close to the first team" should stay. Abraham and Mount would likely have contributed to the Chelsea team had they been there during the 2018/19 season. However, their contributions would have been few and far between. It was much more productive for them and, long-term, for Chelsea to send them on loan to Villa and Derby, respectively.The time to send players on loan is the gap between academy under 23 and first team. Players that are in the squad and close to the first team should stay.
Ramsey looks like he is very close , but it seems people would rather watch Muscle Bound Ross. Trundling around the midfield achieving fuck all on a hundred grand a week.
I'm not sold on Barclay, but I don't necessarily agree that players "close to the first team" should stay. Abraham and Mount would likely have contributed to the Chelsea team had they been there during the 2018/19 season. However, their contributions would have been few and far between. It was much more productive for them and, long-term, for Chelsea to send them on loan to Villa and Derby, respectively.
Ramsey will likely be able to contribute to us in the odd cameo roll and maybe even occasionally start. I feel he would benefit far more, though, from playing week in, week out at a competitive level, and coming back to us battle-hardened and ready for our first team.
Only conditions I would impose would be that, firstly, he should go somewhere he is definitely going to play. If he is just going to sit on the bench he may as well do that here. Secondly, he shouldn't be loaned to any of the local obsessive twats. I don’t wish to help any of them out, and our players never come back and do a good job for us afterwards.
Ramsey will likely be able to contribute to us in the odd cameo roll and maybe even occasionally start. I feel he would benefit far more, though, from playing week in, week out at a competitive level, and coming back to us battle-hardened and ready for our first team.
Only conditions I would impose would be that, firstly, he should go somewhere he is definitely going to play. If he is just going to sit on the bench he may as well do that here. Secondly, he shouldn't be loaned to any of the local obsessive twats. I don’t wish to help any of them out, and our players never come back and do a good job for us afterwards.
Has Hoddle ever commented much on Sid?I don't recall him doing so, but then Glen was / is a bit up himself.
Has Hoddle ever commented much on Sid?I don't recall him doing so, but then Glen was / is a bit up himself.
The classic Cowans game was in August 1978, after the Argentine World Cup win. Spurs had just purchased Ardiles and Ricky Villa and faced AV in their first home game of the season. We won 4-1 and Cowans gave Hoddle and Ardiles a masterclass in midfield play.
Those sliding tackles where he'd end standing up with the ball at his feat were magicali tried to teach myself to do that. 99/100 it would never come off, but the one time you managed it- made you feel pretty good about things!
Those sliding tackles where he'd end standing up with the ball at his feat were magicali tried to teach myself to do that. 99/100 it would never come off, but the one time you managed it- made you feel pretty good about things!
Not great at all but better than Lansbury and AEG who are/were awful.I played better than AEG and Angela.
Man, these photocalls get later each year! Used to love when Match or Shoot included them as poster pull-outs every August. Those and the free team-trackers and fixture lists ramped the excitement into overdrive.
I seem to remember having a massive Nottingham Forest squad poster on my wall (may have been Clough's last season) so starved I was of TV coverage of the Villa. I even had a poster of Southampton journeyman Glenn Cockerill hung-up there.
Despite clearly being in the Villa way, my 8 year old brain seemed to think that any posters in these magazines were fair game to be adorned in bedrooms regardless of your actual team. It was enough to celebrate the beautiful game, one in which there was even room for Glenn Cockerill.
Man, these photocalls get later each year! Used to love when Match or Shoot included them as poster pull-outs every August. Those and the free team-trackers and fixture lists ramped the excitement into overdrive.
I seem to remember having a massive Nottingham Forest squad poster on my wall (may have been Clough's last season) so starved I was of TV coverage of the Villa. I even had a poster of Southampton journeyman Glenn Cockerill hung-up there.
Despite clearly being in the Villa way, my 8 year old brain seemed to think that any posters in these magazines were fair game to be adorned in bedrooms regardless of your actual team. It was enough to celebrate the beautiful game, one in which there was even room for Glenn Cockerill.
Good days! There would often be a late signing who would be added in a square in the top corner, normally still in the kit of the team he’d left.
...and those league ladders from Shoot! magazine. I had loads of em and always left Villa at the top. One year it was genuine!
Personally I think keeping Ramsey around insteasd of a half season loan will prove to have been a mistake if he doesn't get a bit more than the handful of minutes he's been given so far. He's at an age where the best thing for him is to be playing a lot of games but we're not playing him in the first team, not playing him in the U23s and didn't send him out on loan so all he's getting right now is training and no chance to put anything into practice.
Looked decent and I'd certainly persist with him ahead of Hourihane
Don't think Connor has the work-rate that now seems to be a requirement to get into this team.
I think it's a bit of a 'changing of the guard's thing. Conor is a capable operator at this level. However, he's moved down the pecking order far enough that - for the amount of game time he'll get - we may as well pick a youngster.
If they were playing 20-30 games a season, I'd have Hourihane over Ramsey any day of the week. He offers a threat from set pieces, a load of experience, and a bit more overall maturity as a player. For 10-20 games though, we're better getting Ramsey some game time. He'll offer just as much of a threat with the more limited game time / game plans not built around his specific skills.
Wouldn't take much of an injury crisis to get him back in. We would only get pennies for him anyway, I'd be happy to keep him even if it is only as cover for a few months. Even more so if we can have a run in the cup.
I would like us to sign a genuine free kick specialist. May as well take advantage of how many times Jack gets kicked. That should be a priority when we look to updated. Could be worth at least half a dozen goals a season.
Wouldn't take much of an injury crisis to get him back in. We would only get pennies for him anyway, I'd be happy to keep him even if it is only as cover for a few months. Even more so if we can have a run in the cup.
I would like us to sign a genuine free kick specialist. May as well take advantage of how many times Jack gets kicked. That should be a priority when we look to updated. Could be worth at least half a dozen goals a season.
Is that Paraguayan goalie still knocking about?
I would fucking love a free kick specialist goalie. Preferably with a bandana. Can whoever attends the next Fan Meeting request one for me, please? Sorry, Martinez. Just making loads of good saves all the time is a bit yawny boring "meh".
José Luis Chilavert....59 goals in 729 apps not bad for a goalkeeper plus 8 goals for ParaguayWouldn't take much of an injury crisis to get him back in. We would only get pennies for him anyway, I'd be happy to keep him even if it is only as cover for a few months. Even more so if we can have a run in the cup.
I would like us to sign a genuine free kick specialist. May as well take advantage of how many times Jack gets kicked. That should be a priority when we look to updated. Could be worth at least half a dozen goals a season.
Is that Paraguayan goalie still knocking about?
Conor is a free agent in 6months and I don't see any chance we'll offer him a new contract so ignoring anything else giving Ramsey the 10-15minute cameos ahead of him is just sensible management.
I wouldn't be overly surprised if we actually let him go in this window, it's nothing personal and I think he's done a very good job for us but at his age he needs to be playing regularly and that's not going to happen in this Villa squad.
Conor is a free agent in 6months and I don't see any chance we'll offer him a new contract so ignoring anything else giving Ramsey the 10-15minute cameos ahead of him is just sensible management.
I wouldn't be overly surprised if we actually let him go in this window, it's nothing personal and I think he's done a very good job for us but at his age he needs to be playing regularly and that's not going to happen in this Villa squad.
Didn't Hourihane sign a contract extension when we got promoted? Ramsey is going to be a solid player and I hope it given his chance at Villa. Don't send him out on loan, he will learn more from playing with the first team.
Pleased with Jacob committing his future to Villa! Jacob may just save the club spending a needless £30+m on an incoming transfer.
Excellent news, can we just give Konsa a massive new deal too please.
It seems every young player coming through the ranks get, understandably, lionised.
Energetic? Yes. Capable of unlocking Premier League defences in Jack’s absence? I don’t think so. In the brief appearances he’s made, he’s nothing special. However, I’m not a Premier League manager trying to fill a Grealish size hole in the team.
It seems every young player coming through the ranks get, understandably, lionised.I tend to agree in as much as the lad's 19, let's not put the entire responsibility for unlocking premier league defences on him just yet.
Energetic? Yes. Capable of unlocking Premier League defences in Jack’s absence? I don’t think so. In the brief appearances he’s made, he’s nothing special. However, I’m not a Premier League manager trying to fill a Grealish size hole in the team.
It seems every young player coming through the ranks get, understandably, lionised.
Energetic? Yes. Capable of unlocking Premier League defences in Jack’s absence? I don’t think so. In the brief appearances he’s made, he’s nothing special. However, I’m not a Premier League manager trying to fill a Grealish size hole in the team.
Disagree.It seems every young player coming through the ranks get, understandably, lionised.That’s kind of where I am, although not quite as down on him. I’m hopeful he can develop into a good player, but as of yet I haven’t seen anything remarkable. That’s not writing him off, but I’m not seeing anything that’s making me think he has to start.
Energetic? Yes. Capable of unlocking Premier League defences in Jack’s absence? I don’t think so. In the brief appearances he’s made, he’s nothing special. However, I’m not a Premier League manager trying to fill a Grealish size hole in the team.
Not being as good as Jack Grealish is going to make it very hard to like any player we sign or bring through over the next 30 years.What, Ramsey??
Lets face it, if he sticks around for the next few years, and I think he will, he'll be the greatest player to play for club.
Not being as good as Jack Grealish is going to make it very hard to like any player we sign or bring through over the next 30 years.
Lets face it, if he sticks around for the next few years, and I think he will, he'll be the greatest player to play for club.
Did well when he came on today. Gives us that bit of energy which Barkley isn't at the moment.
Agree he looks comfortable at this level. I'd rather he wasn't being asked to start at this stage of his career as it can overwhelm. It's good to see him regularly though, and bu next season I would expect him to be pushing for a starting spot. Well done young fella!If you are good enough........
I really hope he develops and being around the squad benefits him, but he shouldn’t be starting at the moment. I just feel like we carry him a bit when he’s playing. He shows some promise, but he’s not done enough to start at least for me.
I really hope he develops and being around the squad benefits him, but he shouldn’t be starting at the moment. I just feel like we carry him a bit when he’s playing. He shows some promise, but he’s not done enough to start at least for me.
Given the alternatives such as Barkley I’d keep him in. Plus Sanson for McGinn who is no longer so super
He was a little boy lost tonight. Barkely offered more quality.
He was a little boy lost tonight. Barkely offered more quality.
He was a little boy lost tonight. Barkely offered more quality.
He's not good enough. Yet. Should be on the bench, not starting.
He's a young player, doing well. This experience will do him the world of good. Of course he's inconsistent at times, that's almost inevitable but he shows some real promise.
I haven’t got a clue what we are trying to do in midfield, absolutely no shape or structure and made worse by our wide men running down cul de sacs whilst our centre forward is being marked out the game.Totally - this is how I saw it (and, probably like you, I was shouting at the telly when Ramsey released to Watkins too early). We've done really well so far this season but now that the oppo know how we play, we need to find a way to make better uses of the resources we have. At the moment I cannot see how the way the players are playing is going to create the magic that opens teams up.
You can hardly blame Ramsey for the malaise.
Just before he got pulled we had a break with Ramsey carrying the ball, Watkins made a poor run should have pulled wider, Ramsey passed the ball, Watkins mis- controlled it, shouted at Ramsey and then Smith subbed him.
Great way to build a youngsters confidence.
He struggled last night as did pretty much the entire team so I wouldn't single him out.agree,
I'm not convinced that loaning him out is the answer - a lot would depend on where he went, the quality of the coaching (and environment) and how he might be used.
Keinan Davis needs to play a lot of competitive football in part for his development and in part to allow for a meaningful assessment of what he offers, i.e. how good he will be. With Ramsey, I think it is clear he is going to be a good/very good player so it is more about mapping his development.
Being in and around our first team, particularly as we increase the quality through recruitment might well serve him better than playing 40+ games for a Championship side with little constructive coaching.
As we know the Championship is: Prepare-Play-Recover (repeat). I'm not sure a season of that is better long-term than being involved in the Villa first team squad.
I haven’t got a clue what we are trying to do in midfield, absolutely no shape or structure and made worse by our wide men running down cul de sacs whilst our centre forward is being marked out the game.
You can hardly blame Ramsey for the malaise.
Just before he got pulled we had a break with Ramsey carrying the ball, Watkins made a poor run should have pulled wider, Ramsey passed the ball, Watkins mis- controlled it, shouted at Ramsey and then Smith subbed him.
Great way to build a youngsters confidence.
I haven’t got a clue what we are trying to do in midfield, absolutely no shape or structure and made worse by our wide men running down cul de sacs whilst our centre forward is being marked out the game.
You can hardly blame Ramsey for the malaise.
Just before he got pulled we had a break with Ramsey carrying the ball, Watkins made a poor run should have pulled wider, Ramsey passed the ball, Watkins mis- controlled it, shouted at Ramsey and then Smith subbed him.
Great way to build a youngsters confidence.
Yes, I'm a big fan of Watkins but that was poor of him - both his run, that should have been out wide not narrow, and his reaction.
Watkins first touch was the problem.I haven’t got a clue what we are trying to do in midfield, absolutely no shape or structure and made worse by our wide men running down cul de sacs whilst our centre forward is being marked out the game.
You can hardly blame Ramsey for the malaise.
Just before he got pulled we had a break with Ramsey carrying the ball, Watkins made a poor run should have pulled wider, Ramsey passed the ball, Watkins mis- controlled it, shouted at Ramsey and then Smith subbed him.
Great way to build a youngsters confidence.
Yes, I'm a big fan of Watkins but that was poor of him - both his run, that should have been out wide not narrow, and his reaction.
Completely disagree. He played a bad pass, around 10 seconds too late.
It’s a common call on here when a young player isn’t quite delivering, loan him out that will fix it.
It’s a common call on here when a young player isn’t quite delivering, loan him out that will fix it.
Well yes, because it's been proven to work a few times in the past, not least with Grealish. Young players need a spell playing every game to see what they're made of, or you end up in a position like we have with Davis, where he's 23 and has started 4 games in nearly 2 years. He hasn't played enough, so he's no use to us despite only having one fit striker and he's not going to improve playing 10 minutes once a month.
It’s a common call on here when a young player isn’t quite delivering, loan him out that will fix it.
Well yes, because it's been proven to work a few times in the past, not least with Grealish. Young players need a spell playing every game to see what they're made of, or you end up in a position like we have with Davis, where he's 23 and has started 4 games in nearly 2 years. He hasn't played enough, so he's no use to us despite only having one fit striker and he's not going to improve playing 10 minutes once a month.
Agreed.
The difference with Ramsey is that he's replaced an established first team squad player,Conor,and he's getting Premier League game time ahead of an England international.He now knows the demands at this level.Exactly, sometimes it’s the right call, but if a player has broken into the first team then he should now be competing for a place in the team.
To send him off to a Championship side next season would not only be a retrograde step but also a blow to his confidence,a statement saying we don't trust you at the present or in improving next season.
His selection also gives other youngsters the message that if you're producing the goods,we will pick you.
It might also be that for the first time in about fifteen years we can bring in a player for league games that don't count for much.I really hope that we use this time to give some time to a few of the potentials.
It might also be that for the first time in about fifteen years we can bring in a player for league games that don't count for much.I really hope that we use this time to give some time to a few of the potentials.
Definitely. Now is exactly the time to do this.I've been saying that for some weeks. Kessler, Barry, Chukwuemeka, Philogene-Bidace. They could all benefit from a few minutes as subs.It might also be that for the first time in about fifteen years we can bring in a player for league games that don't count for much.I really hope that we use this time to give some time to a few of the potentials.
The comments on here are unbelievable! He’s only 19 and he’s just broken into a PL team for Gods sake. He’s not going to be the finished article nor is he going to be consistent but I’ve seen enough to say that he’s going to be a quality player and we just need to keep nurturing him. His ability to pass forward and look for passes round the corner is exemplary.
Remind me at what age Jack became a regular?
The comments on here are unbelievable! He’s only 19 and he’s just broken into a PL team for Gods sake. He’s not going to be the finished article nor is he going to be consistent but I’ve seen enough to say that he’s going to be a quality player and we just need to keep nurturing him. His ability to pass forward and look for passes round the corner is exemplary.
Remind me at what age Jack became a regular?
Nobody's saying that he doesn't have potential, just that perhaps he shouldn't be starting games right now when we have better, more experienced options. Chill!
Barry is injured
not sure - but can see the benefit of giving some kids some minutes if we're playing some dead rubbersBarry is injured
Back for May? He can get some minutes then v likes of Palace along with Wes.
Barry is injuredPlayed about 70 minutes for the u23s on Friday.
I think he's doing well so far but the one real highlight from him in the U23s was his ability to drift into the box late and get shots away, I hope he can start bringing that into his game again soon because we don't score enough goals from central midfield right now.
I think he's doing well so far but the one real highlight from him in the U23s was his ability to drift into the box late and get shots away, I hope he can start bringing that into his game again soon because we don't score enough goals from central midfield right now.
Two goals from midfield is it this season? One from Hourihane, one from McGinn. Depends on where you counted Barkley as playing I suppose. It's not good enough anyway, the defenders have contributed more.
I think he's doing well so far but the one real highlight from him in the U23s was his ability to drift into the box late and get shots away, I hope he can start bringing that into his game again soon because we don't score enough goals from central midfield right now.
Two goals from midfield is it this season? One from Hourihane, one from McGinn. Depends on where you counted Barkley as playing I suppose. It's not good enough anyway, the defenders have contributed more.
Yep, with the players we have we should be looking at 10-15 goals from central midfield for the year and even with Barkley we're going to struggle to get that.
I've been down a YouTube rabbit hole. They both seem like thoroughly lovely fellas.Thanks for falling down that particular rabbit hole SE - enjoyed that.
I'll post the same on the other's thread too, for the sake adhering to the Ministerial Code.
He's a good young player who will hopefully grow into a recognisable role. As it is though, I'm not sure what that is yet.I'm hopeful he'll kick on and be a part of the squad and find a role that suits the best parts of his game - it's great to have our own youth players come through into the first team.
I don't think people are writing him off - he's getting some great experience - if now's the time to play younger players, then he's rightfully getting a run out. He's been no worse than Luiz at the moment.
At this stage he's shown to be developing at this but nothing outstanding. No play which makes him stand out and say wow he's impressive and he's still only 19. However Ramsey can go on and improve as there are some signs of his ability.
I think he's being part used politically to demonstrate a pathway to the first team even
So it's how we want to measure Ramsey as at the moment he's just a tidy footballer who is getting his chance but the discussion would be is he taking that chance ?
Far too early to make judgements on Ramsey's potential.At this stage he's shown to be developing at this but nothing outstanding. No play which makes him stand out and say wow he's impressive and he's still only 19. However Ramsey can go on and improve as there are some signs of his ability.
I think he's being part used politically to demonstrate a pathway to the first team even
So it's how we want to measure Ramsey as at the moment he's just a tidy footballer who is getting his chance but the discussion would be is he taking that chance ?
I agree with those points but I think it is all about people's expectations:
Will he make a living out of being a professional footballer - definitely
Will he be world class - absolutely not
Will he be good enough for Villa especially in the long term - definitely not
Will he be good enough to play in the PL - maybe for one of the lesser terms like Westwood
So at the moment for where Villa are he is okay and as pointed out above gives hope for the Academy lads which is the main point for his selection.
We have quite a few talented players in the U23 & U18 teams who I think will feature a lot for Villa in the future.
I would like Kaine Kesler given a chance at right back in place of Elmo but without any cover in front of him (if playing Traore) it is perhaps asking a lot!
I didn't see our game at the weekend, but had the game on Radio WM. They mentioned a number of times that one positive to take from the game was Ramsey's performance.
Given how they normally talk us down, I had assumed he'd played amazingly well! ;D
18 premier league appearances last term.
That's exactly half the matches.
Jacob would be looking for more of the same and then some if he's both the model of progression and own development.
It's now backward step if he was loaned out so must be very much part of Smith's plans as squad member.
I think he's only going to get better and was unlucky as well as couple poor misses not to have scored last season.
He's exactly the type of midfielder that offers the energy and pressing as well as runs off the ball that good for the team
Needs to be involved other wise won't develop.
Quite right I've been confused lately but should know better that it's a 38 game season18 premier league appearances last term.
That's exactly half the matches.
Jacob would be looking for more of the same and then some if he's both the model of progression and own development.
It's now backward step if he was loaned out so must be very much part of Smith's plans as squad member.
I think he's only going to get better and was unlucky as well as couple poor misses not to have scored last season.
He's exactly the type of midfielder that offers the energy and pressing as well as runs off the ball that good for the team
Needs to be involved other wise won't develop.
Strictly speaking it's exactly 9/19 of the matches, or 47.36842% of them.
Last week I was impressed with how quickly he released the ball, this week I was impressed with how he ran with it. He's getting quietly better every game.He's a continuity player - he keeps the ball recycling through the team and moves well for return-passes. He, McGinn and Buendia worked really well together. All three will become increasingly influential as the season progresses, IMO.
Put a couple of crunching tackles in first half as well.
Does anyone else think he might trn out to be the long-term asnwer to the DM question?I think he'll end up playing a more box-to-box role like McGinn does.
Does anyone else think he might trn out to be the long-term asnwer to the DM question?
Does anyone else think he might trn out to be the long-term asnwer to the DM question?
Based on not much, I think Raikhy might be the long term prospect in that position.
Does anyone else think he might trn out to be the long-term asnwer to the DM question?
Based on not much, I think Raikhy might be the long term prospect in that position.
I'm glad people are starting to see something in him, I've thought he looks quality for a while and I've just been waiting for him to start putting it all together in the league for us. I'm still waiting to see him push into the box and show how good a finisher he is, he's been a regular goalscorer at every other level so it's in there and if he can add those goals he'll be a big bonus in the squad this year.Is there evidence of these thoughts on this site to back up these claims?
I'm glad people are starting to see something in him, I've thought he looks quality for a while and I've just been waiting for him to start putting it all together in the league for us. I'm still waiting to see him push into the box and show how good a finisher he is, he's been a regular goalscorer at every other level so it's in there and if he can add those goals he'll be a big bonus in the squad this year.Is there evidence of these thoughts on this site to back up these claims?
I think he's doing well so far but the one real highlight from him in the U23s was his ability to drift into the box late and get shots away, I hope he can start bringing that into his game again soon because we don't score enough goals from central midfield right now.
I think he needs regular game time and it should include some starts, 4-5 starts and a similar number of appearances from the bench by the end of the season would be my aim with him and then fully into the mix for starting next year. Some people will want him to go out on loan but I'm not sure he needs it, he looks ready to be a rotation option in the premier league to me.
The important thing today was that he made himself available and showed confidence in holding on to the ball and getting his head up. I suspect the coaches will be thrilled with him because he just played his game and didn't let the 'event' get to him, given he was up against Moutinho who's ben a top player for about 15 years I thought he did really well.
I suspect Ramsey is firmly in their plans for next year. With a bit of luck with injuries and decent coaching he'll be a great player for the squad.
He hasn't been born yet, but in about thirty years we will have a really good player called Jacob Ramsey.
Don't bother making any holiday plans for the year 2020.
All hail, for the true sage is amongst us
Are the Ramseys all Villa fans through blood?
It's great to have so many youngsters coming through, and the way we've invested in others recently too, the future is indeed bright.
As for Ramsey specifically, I thought he looked ok when he played last season, but he's coming in to his own so far this.
Meh, that's nothing.He hasn't been born yet, but in about thirty years we will have a really good player called Jacob Ramsey.
Don't bother making any holiday plans for the year 2020.
Meh, that's nothing.He hasn't been born yet, but in about thirty years we will have a really good player called Jacob Ramsey.
Don't bother making any holiday plans for the year 2020.
*chuckle* You would have been gearing-up for a Villa-tastic Xmas with wins against ManYoo, Arse and Chel-pre-ski.
A CD discman in 1990...? Are you sure...don't recall them being commonplace til the late 90s.
A CD discman in 1990...? Are you sure...don't recall them being commonplace til the late 90s.
The choice of Violator removes any other type of judgement. Their crowning achievement.
what has happened to this thread🤔😃
£150 IIRC. Was a my 'big' Christmas present.
Worried here I'm getting a rep as some kind of hen-pecked, spoiled rich kid.
I didn't mean to be weird; I'd definitely had a wine or two yesterday and had no recollection of anyone speaking about Ramsey. Now I know.All hail, for the true sage is amongst us
Yeah if you like, I've been pretty consistent in my comments about Ramsey for a couple of years so I found it fucking weird that someone would ask for evidence. Especially so given how inconsistent some people are on here.
I bought one in April 1988 in Andorra. It cost me about £250.A CD discman in 1990...? Are you sure...don't recall them being commonplace til the late 90s.
They were released in the mid 80s, but were inordinately expensive until the early 90s. Unless you're Lee Rockefeller of course!
The choice of Violator removes any other type of judgement. Their crowning achievement.
100% agree, and it was the perfect record for that format, the production on it was amazing.
Hope it was worth it.It was ace. I remember buying my first CDs (Serge Gainsbourg, live at the Casino de Paris, was one) and loving the crisp sound compared to tapes.
Bloody hell. I got a Walkman in 1992 and thought I’d made it in life. Discmans in the 80s?! Didn’t realise this site was so bougie.
Hope it was worth it.It was ace. I remember buying my first CDs (Serge Gainsbourg, live at the Casino de Paris, was one) and loving the crisp sound compared to tapes.
Hope it was worth it.It was ace. I remember buying my first CDs (Serge Gainsbourg, live at the Casino de Paris, was one) and loving the crisp sound compared to tapes.
Exactly what I was trying to get at, but reflecting on my post it made me read a bit like Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.
I’m pretty sure that his dad was the Villa fan. Used to drink in the 3Cs on Chelmsley.
I’m pretty sure that his dad was the Villa fan. Used to drink in the 3Cs on Chelmsley.
I may have asked you this before Perce, not too sure so apologies if I have. Was/is his dad's name Frank? I grew up in Sheldon and went to school with a Frank Carsley so was wondering if they're father and son.
I’m pretty sure that his dad was the Villa fan. Used to drink in the 3Cs on Chelmsley.
I may have asked you this before Perce, not too sure so apologies if I have. Was/is his dad's name Frank? I grew up in Sheldon and went to school with a Frank Carsley so was wondering if they're father and son.
It’s been that long I honestly can’t remember Dave, sorry. He seemed like a friendly enough bloke and when I picture him I always see him laughing but I didn’t talk to him much - I wasn’t as much of a regular as some of my mates as the whole city is my playground lol.
I’m pretty sure that his dad was the Villa fan. Used to drink in the 3Cs on Chelmsley.
I may have asked you this before Perce, not too sure so apologies if I have. Was/is his dad's name Frank? I grew up in Sheldon and went to school with a Frank Carsley so was wondering if they're father and son.
I’m pretty sure that his dad was the Villa fan. Used to drink in the 3Cs on Chelmsley.
I may have asked you this before Perce, not too sure so apologies if I have. Was/is his dad's name Frank? I grew up in Sheldon and went to school with a Frank Carsley so was wondering if they're father and son.
That would be him. Sadly passed away a few years ago.
The Ramsey brothers are ready to pack a punch in taking Aston Villa forward
The brothers were hard at it over the summer.
At a deserted Bodymoor Heath, Jacob and Aaron Ramsey hit the weights, the treadmills, and the punchbags, their every moan and groan echoing around the vacant training complex.
Staff were on their summer holidays and a large chunk of the first team was on international duty. It would have been easy for the pair to put their feet up and coast through the off-season.
But like on so many previous occasions, the Ramseys sensed an opportunity.
As kids, the brothers would combine football with boxing alongside their father, Mark, a former amateur national champion in 1989 who twice fought Ricky Hatton. Both have excelled through the ranks despite being small and slender as schoolboys. They made sure that size was never a problem.
This summer, the plan was to work on their fitness and come back firing.
Watching Jacob, 20, come of age in Villa’s 2-0 win over Newcastle United last month and Aaron, 18, make his first senior appearance in the 6-0 win over Barrow in the Carabao Cup suggests it is starting to pay off.
Decent first half. Chelsea taking their worst player off at HT improved them in the middle. I wish our manager spotted such things and acted as quick.
Decent first half. Chelsea taking their worst player off at HT improved them in the middle. I wish our manager spotted such things and acted as quick.
Perhaps if our manager had the Uefa Player of the Year to come off the bench he might.
It must help that the Dad was a boxer. His three sons will have grown-up with discipline and dancers' feet.
Smith identified him really early on and had him training with the seniors not long after he became manager. Something I like about Smith is that he really does seem to have an eye for a player and he sees something often a long time before we do. Matt Targett is another example of that. Seemed pretty average at first, give a penalty away in the Sheffield United home game last season and everyone was writing him off and then was brilliant for the rest of the season.
Smith identified him really early on and had him training with the seniors not long after he became manager. Something I like about Smith is that he really does seem to have an eye for a player and he sees something often a long time before we do. Matt Targett is another example of that. Seemed pretty average at first, give a penalty away in the Sheffield United home game last season and everyone was writing him off and then was brilliant for the rest of the season.
He’s very good at the coaching part, most players improve whilst playing for him.
In fact, I can’t remember a villa manager that consistently improves players like Smith. I’m too young to remember whether this was a strength of BFR and Little and can’t think of anyone since (mainly because they rarely hang around long enough)..
Smith identified him really early on and had him training with the seniors not long after he became manager. Something I like about Smith is that he really does seem to have an eye for a player and he sees something often a long time before we do. Matt Targett is another example of that. Seemed pretty average at first, give a penalty away in the Sheffield United home game last season and everyone was writing him off and then was brilliant for the rest of the season.
He’s very good at the coaching part, most players improve whilst playing for him.
In fact, I can’t remember a villa manager that consistently improves players like Smith. I’m too young to remember whether this was a strength of BFR and Little and can’t think of anyone since (mainly because they rarely hang around long enough)..
I agree, most players in the squad have improved since they arrived and as a club we've clearly targeted signing players with the capacity to do so. I think this is the main reason why I get so frustrated with the people who can't wait to slag Smith off, I like what he's trying to do and I want us to succeed doing things this way. I want young players to join us knowing that if they meet their targets we won't be signing 27-28 year olds on huge fees to play in front of them because I think the satisfaction of seeing players like Ramsey and Chuk come through or Watkins step up is much better than flashing a chequebook to pick up the flavour of the month player every window.
Just wait till his brother comes through!already plays for Juventus
Don’t really understand the criticism from the commentators about Jake shooting. Quite entitled to have a crack from there, regardless of the score line.
Don’t really understand the criticism from the commentators about Jake shooting. Quite entitled to have a crack from there, regardless of the score line.
Cracking player. Got a bit greedy with the ball on the edge of the box and perhaps should have passed to people in better positions, but who can blame the lad for wanting to shoot? Had a good game again today. Getting better and better.
He plays like he really believes he belongs in the premier league now. Great to see as I wonder two months ago if we might loan him out somewhere. Probably would've happened if Ward Prowse had signed.
Textbook example of how to bring a young player into the team. We gave him regular sub cameos with the odd start from December onwards and now he really looks the part.
Cracking player. Got a bit greedy with the ball on the edge of the box and perhaps should have passed to people in better positions, but who can blame the lad for wanting to shoot? Had a good game again today. Getting better and better.
And if he’d passed, and that player missed, he’d be getting it for not having a go himself!
So a bit of a no win situation.
I’m pleased he had the confidence to have a go
Obviously, if a goal had resulted from either scenario he’d, quite rightly, be getting all the plaudits
Cracking player. Got a bit greedy with the ball on the edge of the box and perhaps should have passed to people in better positions, but who can blame the lad for wanting to shoot? Had a good game again today. Getting better and better.
And if he’d passed, and that player missed, he’d be getting it for not having a go himself!
So a bit of a no win situation.
I’m pleased he had the confidence to have a go
Obviously, if a goal had resulted from either scenario he’d, quite rightly, be getting all the plaudits
If he'd have fed Ings I doubt he would have missed. Still, he was entitled to take it on himself.
We just need a goal from him I think. After that the sky is the limit.
Cracking player. Got a bit greedy with the ball on the edge of the box and perhaps should have passed to people in better positions, but who can blame the lad for wanting to shoot? Had a good game again today. Getting better and better.
And if he’d passed, and that player missed, he’d be getting it for not having a go himself!
So a bit of a no win situation.
I’m pleased he had the confidence to have a go
Obviously, if a goal had resulted from either scenario he’d, quite rightly, be getting all the plaudits
If he'd have fed Ings I doubt he would have missed. Still, he was entitled to take it on himself.
Not to mention that it was Ramsey’s excellent challenge that won the ball in the first place. I’m glad he took the chance, don’t think Ings was quite as clear through as he looked.
Both the defenders back off to cover the pass each way, it opened up in front of him, he was absolutely right to take it on.
Not to mention that it was Ramsey’s excellent challenge that won the ball in the first place. I’m glad he took the chance, don’t think Ings was quite as clear through as he looked.
Both the defenders back off to cover the pass each way, it opened up in front of him, he was absolutely right to take it on. Especially given as you say he won it so impressively in the first place.
It was the shot to try as well, a shade more whip and it was perfect, keeper was well beaten. I think he's been ace so far, he's a proper all rounder, physicality, a great touch, vision and intelligent. He's going to be a very good player and his development bodes extremely well the other, potentially more talented players just behind him.
There's a real possibility that in a couple of years we'll have an ace team with half of them from the academy.
One thing for certain is that we seemingly know how to manage these kids coming through. With the wealth of talent we have now its a credit to him and our academy that he is making the starting place his own.
I watched the whole game again, it’s fun when you know the result. The main thing I took from it was how much Ramsey seemed to be enjoying himself, and felt he belonged in the team.
He’s very promising, but I’m still not quite sure what sort of midfielder he is. And I’ll qualify that state by admitting it took me a while to figure out what Dennis Mortimer was.
Don’t really understand the criticism from the commentators about Jake shooting. Quite entitled to have a crack from there, regardless of the score line.
Sexual seems to be of the same opinion. Thought he'd be a champion of JJ.
I watched the whole game again, it’s fun when you know the result. The main thing I took from it was how much Ramsey seemed to be enjoying himself, and felt he belonged in the team.Ramsey Major is a continuity player: he is always there to keep the ball moving and knows exactly where to move it to, and with what pace. I like his simplicity on the balls. He's added those driving runs into his game this season, which makes him a more threatening player for the opposition.
He’s very promising, but I’m still not quite sure what sort of midfielder he is. And I’ll qualify that state by admitting it took me a while to figure out what Dennis Mortimer was.
I agree with this. And I think he’s the reason we no longer need to look at JWP. Free kicks can be taken care of elsewhere.I watched the whole game again, it’s fun when you know the result. The main thing I took from it was how much Ramsey seemed to be enjoying himself, and felt he belonged in the team.Ramsey Major is a continuity player: he is always there to keep the ball moving and knows exactly where to move it to, and with what pace. I like his simplicity on the balls. He's added those driving runs into his game this season, which makes him a more threatening player for the opposition.
He’s very promising, but I’m still not quite sure what sort of midfielder he is. And I’ll qualify that state by admitting it took me a while to figure out what Dennis Mortimer was.
He's developing really well.
Don’t really understand the criticism from the commentators about Jake shooting. Quite entitled to have a crack from there, regardless of the score line.
Sexual seems to be of the same opinion. Thought he'd be a champion of JJ.
I am a fan of his. I was just pointing out that 'if' we hadn't won, Ings and Watkins would've been justified in kicking off at him in the dressing room. Anyway, flapping butterfly wings and all that, if it had been 0-0 at that point he may never have had that decision to make.
Don’t really understand the criticism from the commentators about Jake shooting. Quite entitled to have a crack from there, regardless of the score line.
Sexual seems to be of the same opinion. Thought he'd be a champion of JJ.
I am a fan of his. I was just pointing out that 'if' we hadn't won, Ings and Watkins would've been justified in kicking off at him in the dressing room. Anyway, flapping butterfly wings and all that, if it had been 0-0 at that point he may never have had that decision to make.
You take the shot in that position. Ings and Watkins would have too.
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I didn't know what sort of player he was last year, and am still not entirely sure, other than a very good one. I said it before but I think it bears repeating, in that in my opinion he's gone from a promising youth getting a few games here and there because of injuries or suspensions, to first midfielder name on the team sheet. Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz are starting to look like a very good midfield trio, now that the dire 4-2-3-1 has deservedly been ditched.
I said it before but I think it bears repeating
I don't want to get bogged down in this, but I think you should only shoot from that distance if there aren't any other options closer in. There were two glaring options, both of which involved goalscorers being in promising positions.
Anyone apart from Tonev is entitled to shoot in that situation.
I don't understand the criticism he got from the commentators
I didn't know what sort of player he was last year, and am still not entirely sure, other than a very good one. I said it before but I think it bears repeating, in that in my opinion he's gone from a promising youth getting a few games here and there because of injuries or suspensions, to first midfielder name on the team sheet. Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz are starting to look like a very good midfield trio, now that the dire 4-2-3-1 has deservedly been ditched.
I didn't know what sort of player he was last year, and am still not entirely sure, other than a very good one. I said it before but I think it bears repeating, in that in my opinion he's gone from a promising youth getting a few games here and there because of injuries or suspensions, to first midfielder name on the team sheet. Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz are starting to look like a very good midfield trio, now that the dire 4-2-3-1 has deservedly been ditched.
This may have been said before, but I'm starting to see a correlation between the 95/96 season. Three midfielders that can do a bit of everything:
McGinn/Townsend - loves a tackle, with a powerful shot and cracking engine
Luiz/Draper - a touch of class about them, always busy and wanting the ball (although don't score as often as they should!)
Ramsey/Taylor - local lad that runs all day and drives the team forward at every opportunity
It's not a perfect like-for-like but there's something in this, right?
I've missed a lot of the discussion about formations on here, but as a midfield three, I think they're the best we've had in a very long time. With Sanson, Nakamba and Carney to come in as well, our midfield is starting to look pretty settled. We have decent replacements for all three. It's just a case of getting a system around them that helps us start dominating play a bit more. The front 3 (or 2) need to start retaining the ball a bit better and we'll really start hurting teams.
Anyone apart from Tonev is entitled to shoot in that situation.
I don't understand the criticism he got from the commentators
Was it Andy 'The cock' Hinchcliffe by any chance? He never has anything good to say about us, if we have a chance he'll focus on the oppositions defending, he's an absolute bellend, and seems to always be on our games.
Could any of the midfielders we were linked with have done better than Ramsey so far?
I didn't know what sort of player he was last year, and am still not entirely sure, other than a very good one. I said it before but I think it bears repeating, in that in my opinion he's gone from a promising youth getting a few games here and there because of injuries or suspensions, to first midfielder name on the team sheet. Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz are starting to look like a very good midfield trio, now that the dire 4-2-3-1 has deservedly been ditched.
This may have been said before, but I'm starting to see a correlation between the 95/96 season. Three midfielders that can do a bit of everything:
McGinn/Townsend - loves a tackle, with a powerful shot and cracking engine
Luiz/Draper - a touch of class about them, always busy and wanting the ball (although don't score as often as they should!)
Ramsey/Taylor - local lad that runs all day and drives the team forward at every opportunity
It's not a perfect like-for-like but there's something in this, right?
I've missed a lot of the discussion about formations on here, but as a midfield three, I think they're the best we've had in a very long time. With Sanson, Nakamba and Carney to come in as well, our midfield is starting to look pretty settled. We have decent replacements for all three. It's just a case of getting a system around them that helps us start dominating play a bit more. The front 3 (or 2) need to start retaining the ball a bit better and we'll really start hurting teams.
Anyone apart from Tonev is entitled to shoot in that situation.
I don't understand the criticism he got from the commentators
Was it Andy 'The cock' Hinchcliffe by any chance? He never has anything good to say about us, if we have a chance he'll focus on the oppositions defending, he's an absolute bellend, and seems to always be on our games.
BBC Gossip reporting he's emerged a potential target for Citeh. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
Mind you, if we can get £50m - say - for him and then elevate his more talented younger brother into our squad it may look like good business.BBC Gossip reporting he's emerged a potential target for Citeh. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossipThey can say what they like as I’ll doubt we will make the same mistake of putting a price on him again
BBC Gossip reporting he's emerged a potential target for Citeh. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
Moves the ball a lot sharper than Joe ever did.
BBC Gossip reporting he's emerged a potential target for Citeh. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
It came from a Spanish twitter account. There's nothing to see here.
BBC Gossip reporting he's emerged a potential target for Citeh. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
It came from a Spanish twitter account. There's nothing to see here.
Pretty sure the same Spanish site had Spurs going to buy Ollie in the summer (or January).
Pretty sure the same Spanish site had Spurs going to buy Ollie in the summer (or January).
Makes you wonder why they bother and who they're pandering to. I'd have no interest in an English site making up rumours about Real Madrid being after a Real Betis player, for instance.
Pretty sure the same Spanish site had Spurs going to buy Ollie in the summer (or January).
Makes you wonder why they bother and who they're pandering to. I'd have no interest in an English site making up rumours about Real Madrid being after a Real Betis player, for instance.
They're pandering to Manchester City fans and anyone else who clicks onto their site. What pisses me off is when a Villa blog repeats it for much the same reason.
Pretty sure the same Spanish site had Spurs going to buy Ollie in the summer (or January).
Makes you wonder why they bother and who they're pandering to. I'd have no interest in an English site making up rumours about Real Madrid being after a Real Betis player, for instance.
They're pandering to Manchester City fans and anyone else who clicks onto their site. What pisses me off is when a Villa blog repeats it for much the same reason.
... and the local 'newspaper'
Putting a 20 year old on the bench is hardly dropping him.
Terrible sub by deano today. Rather sanson was given the nod
In general I like him but thought he gave the ball away when he came on and was lightweight getting knocked off the ball.that was the story for most of the team across the last 15 mins
MOTM at Chelsea and Man Ure. He's a better option than Buendia.they're quite different - which, hopefully means they can both play together at times.
In general I like him but thought he gave the ball away when he came on and was lightweight getting knocked off the ball.that was the story for most of the team across the last 15 mins
In general I like him but thought he gave the ball away when he came on and was lightweight getting knocked off the ball.
I haven't seen the goal - the shit fan I am had turned off by then
Someone else scored their first Villa goal away from home curling into the top corner in a disappointing defeat and he was pretty decent.
If we play 3 in midfield, he has to be in their for me.
I’ve not seen the challenge back either was it just one of those things or was he caught?
Someone else scored their first Villa goal away from home curling into the top corner in a disappointing defeat and he was pretty decent.
If we play 3 in midfield, he has to be in their for me.
It was a 2-2 draw wasn’t it?
3-2 defeat against Leicester if we are on about Grealish.
Six months ago I couldn't see what he brought to the team. But what a development since then. Great work ethic, carries the ball forward & never wastes possession. I can't recall him making a misplaced pass.
He's only going to get better.
All he needs now is a song...
Six months ago I couldn't see what he brought to the team. But what a development since then. Great work ethic, carries the ball forward & never wastes possession. I can't recall him making a misplaced pass.
He's only going to get better.
All he needs now is a song...
Yep I was the same. I hoped there was more to come, but I didn’t see much other than him playing in quite a controlled way. I’m delighted to be wrong, he’s come on so much.
probably been asked before and I’m probably gona look an idiot
Buy why is his nickname JJ
Also something else you probably all knew his father was a boxer and fought Ricky Hatton twice and lost both times on points so says my iPhone
probably been asked before and I’m probably gona look an idiot
Buy why is his nickname JJ
Also something else you probably all knew his father was a boxer and fought Ricky Hatton twice and lost both times on points so says my iPhone
He also drew with future word champion Junior Witter, who was always kept well away from Hatton. I don't think I'm ever going to say anything bad about the Ramseys.
I may be getting a bit ahead of myself but I'm beginning to see shades of Sid in Ramsay. The way he sees and does the simple things quickly, drives at the opposition defence. tough and in the side as a regular at a very young age. Big shoes to fill mind but I think he has it, hope so.I think similarly Dave!
I may be getting a bit ahead of myself but I'm beginning to see shades of Sid in Ramsay. The way he sees and does the simple things quickly, drives at the opposition defence. tough and in the side as a regular at a very young age. Big shoes to fill mind but I think he has it, hope so.Range of passing and scoring record are the 2 things he needs to improve in order to draw that sort of comparison; but I'm being super-critical because I rate JRamsey highly.
The game passed him by quite a lot last season. You could see he had quality and energy but he just wasn't quite ready. This season, almost from his first game, he's been one of our best players. Chuk should learn from this rather than listening to poison from his agent. He's being developed fine and will get chances this season, but it won't all happen overnight.Six months ago I couldn't see what he brought to the team. But what a development since then. Great work ethic, carries the ball forward & never wastes possession. I can't recall him making a misplaced pass.
He's only going to get better.
All he needs now is a song...
Yep I was the same. I hoped there was more to come, but I didn’t see much other than him playing in quite a controlled way. I’m delighted to be wrong, he’s come on so much.
When he first broke through he looked like a kid,
He’s beefed up this season and certainly holds his own now
There will be links to the North West clubs coming soon.Don't you dare!
There will be links to the North West clubs coming soon.
I love watching him run with the ball. He’s quick and has a nice change of direction when needed.
When he first broke into the side he looked like a rabbit in the headlights. I didn’t see anything special in him. This season he started well, but last night was special. He took ownership, showed maturity and no fear at all. He really has everything to be the complete player & he’s got a great mentor now to coach him to be a success
Man this kid has to be one if the most improved youngsters. Last year he looked so average. This year he looks unbelievableAbsolutely. Whilst he had great energy and some nice touches the games largely passed him by last season. But this season he's been one of our better players right from the off.
WEll done JJ!
I didn't see any rabbit in the headlights last season. He played pretty well in most games albeit was still learning how to impose himself at senior level.
looking forward to seeing his brother arrive in the first team as he is meant to be better ?
looking forward to seeing his brother arrive in the first team as he is meant to be better ?
Don't start jinxing it, we've had those hopes more than once in the last couple of decades and they've ended up going to shit. In the case of one set, literally.
I feel like those saying he looked 'ordinary' last season are being harsh,They're not. He did. Nobody was saying he was shit etc, just that the game mostly passed him by. As you say he was developing and we're reaping the rewards from that mow. But last season he was mostly ineffective. He has learn't from that and kicked on, which is great.
I feel like those saying he looked 'ordinary' last season are being harsh,They're not. He did. Nobody was saying he was shit etc, just that the game mostly passed him by. As you say he was developing and we're reaping the rewards from that mow. But last season he was mostly ineffective. He has learn't from that and kicked on, which is great.
I feel like those saying he looked 'ordinary' last season are being harsh,They're not. He did. Nobody was saying he was shit etc, just that the game mostly passed him by. As you say he was developing and we're reaping the rewards from that mow. But last season he was mostly ineffective. He has learn't from that and kicked on, which is great.
No, he didn't. He was very clearly not an 'ordinary', technically limited, jobbing central midfielder - that was never the case. He has exceptional attributes. Inconsistent, sure. As I said, that's like calling 19-year old Grealish 'ordinary'.
I feel like those saying he looked 'ordinary' last season are being harsh,They're not. He did. Nobody was saying he was shit etc, just that the game mostly passed him by. As you say he was developing and we're reaping the rewards from that mow. But last season he was mostly ineffective. He has learn't from that and kicked on, which is great.
No, he didn't. He was very clearly not an 'ordinary', technically limited, jobbing central midfielder - that was never the case. He has exceptional attributes. Inconsistent, sure. As I said, that's like calling 19-year old Grealish 'ordinary'.
He didn't really show those abilities though. He didn't look out of place, but struggling to think of a game last season where you would come away thinking "wow, what a talent."
Nobody has said he was a technically limited jobbing central midfielder. People have said the game passed him by, he hardly impacted any games etc. A few neat touches, a decent amount to of energy, but little more. It's a bit redundant now as we all agree he's been great this season. But there's no point trying to rewrite history to try to prove you're some kind of better fan.I feel like those saying he looked 'ordinary' last season are being harsh,They're not. He did. Nobody was saying he was shit etc, just that the game mostly passed him by. As you say he was developing and we're reaping the rewards from that mow. But last season he was mostly ineffective. He has learn't from that and kicked on, which is great.
No, he didn't. He was very clearly not an 'ordinary', technically limited, jobbing central midfielder - that was never the case. He has exceptional attributes. Inconsistent, sure. As I said, that's like calling 19-year old Grealish 'ordinary'.
Nobody has said he was a technically limited jobbing central midfielder. People have said the game passed him by, he hardly impacted any games etc. A few neat touches, a decent amount to of energy, but little more. It's a bit redundant now as we all agree he's been great this season. But there's no point trying to rewrite history to try to prove you're some kind of better fan.I feel like those saying he looked 'ordinary' last season are being harsh,They're not. He did. Nobody was saying he was shit etc, just that the game mostly passed him by. As you say he was developing and we're reaping the rewards from that mow. But last season he was mostly ineffective. He has learn't from that and kicked on, which is great.
No, he didn't. He was very clearly not an 'ordinary', technically limited, jobbing central midfielder - that was never the case. He has exceptional attributes. Inconsistent, sure. As I said, that's like calling 19-year old Grealish 'ordinary'.
He looked like a 19 year old youth team player last season, this season he looks like a 20 year old premier league footballer.
That comes from experience, additional physical strength and the confidence in himself that he actually belongs.
JPB will need to learn how to play in Gerrard's system, playing narrow and congesting the middle.
He was very close to scoring at the Etihad (to equalise) and at Palace (early on) last season - had either of those efforts gone in, I think people would have sat-up and taken a bit more notice of him earlier.
Must admit, my heart did pang a little for Deano in his post-match interview when he referred to Ramsey by his nickname - "We allowed JJ to run half the field without laying a glove on him".
I think he looked neat and tidy last season without looking spectacular, this season he's developed a drive to his game and he looks excellent at times.
He's a Great Barr baller. As is his brother and his brother's brother too !
Best part of it is he's using both feet to such a degree that if you go by just that clip, you wouldn't know which foot is his best.
He's a Great Barr baller. As is his brother and his brother's brother too !
Good to have more Great Barr ballers, less great bar brawlers [thumbs up thingy]
He's a Great Barr baller. As is his brother and his brother's brother too !
Good to have more Great Barr ballers, less great bar brawlers [thumbs up thingy]
Yes it's lovely. I remember I saw Ramsey's debut, a substitution against I can't remember who in the championship. But I noted how composed he was and thought "we have a player here."
He's a Great Barr baller. As is his brother and his brother's brother too !
Good to have more Great Barr ballers, less great bar brawlers [thumbs up thingy]
Yes it's lovely. I remember I saw Ramsey's debut, a substitution against I can't remember who in the championship. But I noted how composed he was and thought "we have a player here."
It was when we were losing 2-0 at home to west brom
Was that the game Hourihane was jeered as he was subbed ?
Loved his interview...
AVTV : Thoughts on tonight's win against Norwich ?
JJ : "First half outstanding, great goal by me !"
He's developing nicely and more power to him.
Starting to get excited about this lad - he's come on so much this season. First choice now.
Excellent in the second half.
Excellent in the second half.
Indeed, and all the more commendable given his first half performance, when he really did struggle.
If he played for the top six you wouldn’t hear the end of him.That will be fixed next season.
If he played for the top six you wouldn’t hear the end of him.
He’s scored more than Grealish who looks lost at Man City. If he keeps up his form he might take his international place in the World Cup. Wouldn’t that be nice.
He’s scored more than Grealish who looks lost at Man City. If he keeps up his form he might take his international place in the World Cup. Wouldn’t that be nice.
I'm all for us overtaking Spurs and having the most England internationals. Southgate was there yesterday which can't have done his chances any harm.
What a player, great goal and sensational assist. Seems like a down to earth lad too. You have to think other teams must be envious that we can sell an academy product for £100m and then roll another off the production line in the next season who also looks a potential world beater.
He’s scored more than Grealish who looks lost at Man City. If he keeps up his form he might take his international place in the World Cup. Wouldn’t that be nice.
I'm all for us overtaking Spurs and having the most England internationals. Southgate was there yesterday which can't have done his chances any harm.
If he played for the top six you wouldn’t hear the end of him.
He's got his own thread on the Sunderland board after this week's performances so people are sitting up and taking notice.
He's got his own thread on the Sunderland board after this week's performances so people are sitting up and taking notice.
Really?! Link ?
Let's get more Brazilians in tho!
Let's get more Brazilians in tho!
Hear, hear!
At the moment, he's our best midfielder. Better than Luiz, McGinn and Sanson. If and when we finally sign the elusive defensive midfielder, I don't think it will be Ramsey making way.Agree . He's the most likely goalscorer in the team to me (pre coutinho)
I reckon Southgate will like Ramsey. It wouldn’t surprise me to see him elevated to the England setup quite soon.
everyone loves a Brazilian.Let's get more Brazilians in tho!
Hear, hear!
Did you see the Brazilian flags at Villa Park.
Samba time
Let's get more Brazilians in tho!
Hear, hear!
Did you see the Brazilian flags at Villa Park.
Samba time
I’d have hooked him at half time yesterday.No on observation that's more than reasonable!
Shows what I know !
He's got his own thread on the Sunderland board after this week's performances so people are sitting up and taking notice.
Really?! Link ?
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/jacob-ramsey.1569397/
And one for Gerrard which includes a marvellous 'Beheadie Howe' reference.
https://www.readytogo.net/smb/threads/stephen-gérard.1569168/
His awareness is excellent.This. Showing where he wanted the ball and a quick look over to pick the cross just before the ball ran into his path. Superb.
His goal vrs Norwich, he was looking around for options before committing to the final drive and shot.
Coutinho‘s goal he took the time to look to see a better option before he thought of glory. All in a split second.
Clearly from good sporting stockI wouldn't say his old man is a Villa fan, boxed out of Small Heath amateur boxing club, and wore royal blue and white shorts when fighting.
Jacob father was a boxer
Ramsey’s father Mark is a former boxer who won an ABA title and twice fought Ricky Hatton in a professional career spanning 66-bouts.
Great read
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2022/01/15/gloves-are-off-as-jacob-ramsey-fights-to-seize-big-aston-villa-chance/
not another nose family?Clearly from good sporting stockI wouldn't say his old man is a Villa fan, boxed out of Small Heath amateur boxing club, and wore royal blue and white shorts when fighting.
Jacob father was a boxer
Ramsey’s father Mark is a former boxer who won an ABA title and twice fought Ricky Hatton in a professional career spanning 66-bouts.
Great read
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2022/01/15/gloves-are-off-as-jacob-ramsey-fights-to-seize-big-aston-villa-chance/
Clearly from good sporting stockI wouldn't say his old man is a Villa fan, boxed out of Small Heath amateur boxing club, and wore royal blue and white shorts when fighting.
Jacob father was a boxer
Ramsey’s father Mark is a former boxer who won an ABA title and twice fought Ricky Hatton in a professional career spanning 66-bouts.
Great read
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2022/01/15/gloves-are-off-as-jacob-ramsey-fights-to-seize-big-aston-villa-chance/
I'm not sure Alex Hess will be his ideal mentor...
The Guardian:
7) A new home-grown hero at Villa Park
The glamorous debutant who struck a late equaliser understandably took all the headlines at Villa Park, but there’s a fair argument that Philippe Coutinho was only his side’s third most impressive midfielder on Saturday. Emi Buendía, whose place looks most obviously threatened by the Brazilian’s arrival, put in a probingly creative display and showed enough flashes of link-up play with Coutinho to suggest that the two playmakers needn’t be competing for one position. But Villa’s star performer was Jacob Ramsey, who scored one and set up the other in a riveting all-action central midfield performance that would have had the manager furrowing his brow in approval. Ramsey has already started more games since Steven Gerrard took charge in November than he did over the whole of last season, and the early signs are that the new boss’s judgment is spot on. After losing the beloved Jack Grealish last summer, have Villa found a new local hero? If so, then he’s already got the perfect mentor. Alex Hess
not another nose family?I wouldn't say his old man is a Villa fan, boxed out of Small Heath amateur boxing club, and wore royal blue and white shorts when fighting.
Clearly from good sporting stock
Jacob father was a boxer
Ramsey’s father Mark is a former boxer who won an ABA title and twice fought Ricky Hatton in a professional career spanning 66-bouts.
Great read
https://www.expressandstar.com/sport/football/aston-villa/2022/01/15/gloves-are-off-as-jacob-ramsey-fights-to-seize-big-aston-villa-chance/
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His rise makes me more excited about our youth players, he and Archer were not two of the more highly rated prospects yet they've exploded. Imagine how good some of the others could be? Barry and Carney especially.
I know it's been said before but Ramsey just keeps getting better. Considering he's still only 20, if he keeps progressing the way he is I can see him being better than Grealish in terms of his goals and assists. There's more than a hint of Lampard about him. He's a £25m player we've paid nothing for.
Just watching MOTD…why didn’t he have a number on his shirt?See Barry, G. Penalty.
Alternatively, his shirt was ripped off him by an Everton player in a challenge and the bench team just whipped the polythene bag off a new shirt and he wore that until half-time.
Yes, we took football back to dark ages.Alternatively, his shirt was ripped off him by an Everton player in a challenge and the bench team just whipped the polythene bag off a new shirt and he wore that until half-time.
They'll probably fine us £50,000 for that now.
Alternatively, his shirt was ripped off him by an Everton player in a challenge and the bench team just whipped the polythene bag off a new shirt and he wore that until half-time.
Thought he played a bit deeper yesterday and did well. I love it when he picks the ball up on the run and just powers forward.
Won't be long until he is" Interesting " The Red filth
Alternatively, his shirt was ripped off him by an Everton player in a challenge and the bench team just whipped the polythene bag off a new shirt and he wore that until half-time.
In fairness to the Everton guy he slipped on the pitch side slope and instinctively grabbed JJ’s shirt.
There was a handshake so no animosity
Two great finishes tonight
Love him. He’s arguably our best player.
Love him. He’s arguably our best player.
Amazing the support for players in form game by game, but no view of the bigger picture…
He is wonderful but of course I have no view of the bigger picture.
He is wonderful but of course I have no view of the bigger picture.
Study the dialectical method of Hegel, and soon you will see the totality of relations aka the the antagonistic unity of opposites aka the big picture.
Or, you could sit high up near the centre circle in the Witton Lane or Trinity Road stands with a wide angle lens.
He is wonderful but of course I have no view of the bigger picture.
Study the dialectical method of Hegel, and soon you will see the totality of relations aka the the antagonistic unity of opposites aka the big picture.
Or, you could sit high up near the centre circle in the Witton Lane or Trinity Road stands with a wide angle lens.
Absolute bollocks. You need to be looking at Kant's Transcendental dialectic and the illusion of transcendental judgements, Aftab. And the back of the Holte with the rowdy kids is the only place from which to gain true insight.
I must admit that, last season, I thought he was a bit of a nothing player (Ramsey, not Immanuel Kant); tidy enough, but not good enough at enough things. As somebody who is always wrong, it's a pleasure to see him confirming my personality type every time he plays nowadays. Good lad, keep going.
He is wonderful but of course I have no view of the bigger picture.
Study the dialectical method of Hegel, and soon you will see the totality of relations aka the the antagonistic unity of opposites aka the big picture.
Or, you could sit high up near the centre circle in the Witton Lane or Trinity Road stands with a wide angle lens.
Absolute bollocks. You need to be looking at Kant's Transcendental dialectic and the illusion of transcendental judgements, Aftab. And the back of the Holte with the rowdy kids is the only place from which to gain true insight.
I must admit that, last season, I thought he was a bit of a nothing player (Ramsey, not Immanuel Kant); tidy enough, but not good enough at enough things. As somebody who is always wrong, it's a pleasure to see him confirming my personality type every time he plays nowadays. Good lad, keep going.
Empiricist reductionism. No big picture for you!
Also, Mr. Aftab sits in the North Stand.
Love him. He’s arguably our best player.
The understanding between him and Coutinho last night was giving me complete Cowans-Platt vibes - there wasn't a run that Jacob made that Coutinho didn't spot.
I can't quite believe how much he's come on from last season. Don't get me wrong he was decent enough last season but in a more neat and tidy, keep it simple kind of way. This season he has added the drive and positioning to his game and he looks the part!
I hope he's nowhere near the England squad until we're in and around the Champions League places.He won't leave, he is one of our own, Oh wait...
Our players invariably get tapped up on England duty - I don't want him to be another one.
Jacob just get's better and better.
That comment just takes the biscuitJacob just get's better and better.
He’s a cracker
The cream always rises to the topThat comment just takes the biscuitJacob just get's better and better.
He’s a cracker
Glad he plays for our Club. He’s mint.The cream always rises to the topThat comment just takes the biscuitJacob just get's better and better.
He’s a cracker
The little jink of his body and the turn to lose his marker on the centre circle followed by the look up and execution of a diagonal 40 yard pass on a sixpence shades it for me. The 3 moments of skill first half plus the skill near the corner flag and the close shot in the second half explains why he’s the third most expensive player ever. Didn’t do much else though :-)
And Ramsey from an attacking sense was brilliant too, he’s fast overtaking McGinn as our most important midfielder and the one you wouldn’t drop when we inevitably buy a new player or two in there
Thank you gentlemen and I recognise the deficit in my reading and also type of people I need to have conversations with. :)He is wonderful but of course I have no view of the bigger picture.
Study the dialectical method of Hegel, and soon you will see the totality of relations aka the the antagonistic unity of opposites aka the big picture.
Or, you could sit high up near the centre circle in the Witton Lane or Trinity Road stands with a wide angle lens.
Absolute bollocks. You need to be looking at Kant's Transcendental dialectic and the illusion of transcendental judgements, Aftab. And the back of the Holte with the rowdy kids is the only place from which to gain true insight.
I must admit that, last season, I thought he was a bit of a nothing player (Ramsey, not Immanuel Kant); tidy enough, but not good enough at enough things. As somebody who is always wrong, it's a pleasure to see him confirming my personality type every time he plays nowadays. Good lad, keep going.
Empiricist reductionism. No big picture for you!
Also, Mr. Aftab sits in the North Stand.
"He's a killer Quine, dynamite with a laser beam. Guaranteed to blow your mind."
May God, and the good patrons of H&V, forgive me for sullying this site with Quine lyrics. It won't happen again.
Crumbs, He's good.Glad he plays for our Club. He’s mint.The cream always rises to the topThat comment just takes the biscuitJacob just get's better and better.
He’s a cracker
I reckon he's leapfrogged to very near the top of the list of the best U21 players in the league now, I can't think of many that are on his level.
I reckon he's leapfrogged to very near the top of the list of the best U21 players in the league now, I can't think of many that are on his level.
I said exactly that to my mate last night. It’s frightening to think how good he could be in a few years. A brilliant example to the likes of Chukwuemeka and the rest, ie this is the level you need to try to get to.
I reckon he's leapfrogged to very near the top of the list of the best U21 players in the league now, I can't think of many that are on his level.
I said exactly that to my mate last night. It’s frightening to think how good he could be in a few years. A brilliant example to the likes of Chukwuemeka and the rest, ie this is the level you need to try to get to.
I think it's also a good indicator of how long it can take even very talented youngsters to establish themselves in the premier league. Who would have predicted JJs importance to the team a year ago? He's always been tidy enough, even from day one, but clearly it's taken him a year or so of semi-regular appearances to really show what he can do.
I hope other promising youngsters get a similar chance. Chuk is getting the same sort of pitch time JJ did a year or so ago, and hopefully, he can have a similar trajectory - but you never know. However, not setting the world alight in your first dozen or so appearances does not mean you won't be a top top player.
I reckon he's leapfrogged to very near the top of the list of the best U21 players in the league now, I can't think of many that are on his level.
I said exactly that to my mate last night. It’s frightening to think how good he could be in a few years. A brilliant example to the likes of Chukwuemeka and the rest, ie this is the level you need to try to get to.
I reckon he's leapfrogged to very near the top of the list of the best U21 players in the league now, I can't think of many that are on his level.
I said exactly that to my mate last night. It’s frightening to think how good he could be in a few years. A brilliant example to the likes of Chukwuemeka and the rest, ie this is the level you need to try to get to.
I think it's also a good indicator of how long it can take even very talented youngsters to establish themselves in the premier league. Who would have predicted JJs importance to the team a year ago? He's always been tidy enough, even from day one, but clearly it's taken him a year or so of semi-regular appearances to really show what he can do.
I hope other promising youngsters get a similar chance. Chuk is getting the same sort of pitch time JJ did a year or so ago, and hopefully, he can have a similar trajectory - but you never know. However, not setting the world alight in your first dozen or so appearances does not mean you won't be a top top player.
I'm sure I've posted it before but in my opinion the first 20-40 games in senior football can be very misleading. A lot of very good players don't really find their place until after that whereas others burst onto the scene like they're going to be special but get figured out and never meet the early expectations. Becuase of that I think it's better to look at 'softer' skills when deciding how good someone could be. Do they back their touch and ask for the ball in tight areas? Do they tell senior players where they want them to go when they're looking to pass? Do they move into the right areas (in attack and/or defence) and look like understand what they've been asked to do?
There's many more but, for me, Ramsey showed huge promise in every question I'd want to ask about an attacking midfielder last year and chuk is doing the same this season.
He's got bravery on the ball, like JG did - the difference between the two is that JJ, as we saw last night, also has an explosiveness and bravery in his direct running off the ball that will put him in a LOT more goalscoring situations, which is fantastic to see when you surround him with creators like Buendia and Coutinho. That attacking trio is so bloody exciting.I agree - Buendia, Coutinho, & Ramsey look like they're made for eachother. To me, they're a top 4 trio of players.
I would like a future scenario in which England are playing and fans are screaming for Ramsey to come on the pitch while Grealish watches on from home.Yes. This is what needs to happen.
With JJ being linked to an England call up I can't help but wonder whether he will be 'advised' to move to be selected more often.
With JJ being linked to an England call up I can't help but wonder whether he will be 'advised' to move to be selected more often.
I can see him and Chukwuemeka being our two midfielders in future. They both have what it takes. The stature, speed, skill and time.
No pressure then!I can see him and Chukwuemeka being our two midfielders in future. They both have what it takes. The stature, speed, skill and time.
Them two, Archer up front, Kessler Hayden at full back, Philogene-Bidace behind the centre forward. It would be lovely to think we could have half the team from the academy and not just as fillers, as star men.
I can see him and Chukwuemeka being our two midfielders in future. They both have what it takes. The stature, speed, skill and time.
Them two, Archer up front, Kessler Hayden at full back, Philogene-Bidace behind the centre forward. It would be lovely to think we could have half the team from the academy and not just as fillers, as star men.
I can see him and Chukwuemeka being our two midfielders in future. They both have what it takes. The stature, speed, skill and time.
I can see him and Chukwuemeka being our two midfielders in future. They both have what it takes. The stature, speed, skill and time.
Is Chuk quick though? Looks quite one paced to me.
I can see him and Chukwuemeka being our two midfielders in future. They both have what it takes. The stature, speed, skill and time.
Is Chuk quick though? Looks quite one paced to me.
I think Chuck has everything and just needs to keep focus and develop his game.
I can see him and Chukwuemeka being our two midfielders in future. They both have what it takes. The stature, speed, skill and time.
Is Chuk quick though? Looks quite one paced to me.
I don't think he's slow, I just think he has a languid style that makes him look that way. Whereas some players look like they're busting a gut across the grass but aren't actually moving all that quickly (like McGinn).
Style-wise he reminds of players like Yaya Toure, Viera, Zidane and even Pogba. Tall players rarely "look" quick, but being the size they are they actually cover ground deceptively quickly.
Acceleration might be an issue for him, but given he's still growing I wouldn't worry too much about that right now. When he's 20-21, maybe. Even if he ends up not being the quickest across the ground, he can still be a top player, especially if he's in a team surrounded by pace.
I can see him and Chukwuemeka being our two midfielders in future. They both have what it takes. The stature, speed, skill and time.
Is Chuk quick though? Looks quite one paced to me.
I don't think he's slow, I just think he has a languid style that makes him look that way. Whereas some players look like they're busting a gut across the grass but aren't actually moving all that quickly (like McGinn).
Style-wise he reminds of players like Yaya Toure, Viera, Zidane and even Pogba. Tall players rarely "look" quick, but being the size they are they actually cover ground deceptively quickly.
Acceleration might be an issue for him, but given he's still growing I wouldn't worry too much about that right now. When he's 20-21, maybe. Even if he ends up not being the quickest across the ground, he can still be a top player, especially if he's in a team surrounded by pace.
Agreed. Wasn’t querying his quality, just that speed doesn’t appear to be a big part of his game. Doesn’t necessarily need to be though.
I can see him and Chukwuemeka being our two midfielders in future. They both have what it takes. The stature, speed, skill and time.
Is Chuk quick though? Looks quite one paced to me.
I don't think he's slow, I just think he has a languid style that makes him look that way. Whereas some players look like they're busting a gut across the grass but aren't actually moving all that quickly (like McGinn).
Style-wise he reminds of players like Yaya Toure, Viera, Zidane and even Pogba. Tall players rarely "look" quick, but being the size they are they actually cover ground deceptively quickly.
Acceleration might be an issue for him, but given he's still growing I wouldn't worry too much about that right now. When he's 20-21, maybe. Even if he ends up not being the quickest across the ground, he can still be a top player, especially if he's in a team surrounded by pace.
Agreed. Wasn’t querying his quality, just that speed doesn’t appear to be a big part of his game. Doesn’t necessarily need to be though.
I haven’t noticed Chuck being slow, but some players read the game so well what they lack in actual pace is gained by speed of thought.
Think of McGrath. He was always in the right place at the right time and it certainly wasn’t because he was a speed merchant.
With JJ being linked to an England call up I can't help but wonder whether he will be 'advised' to move to be selected more often.Why is his nickname JJ?
I read somewhere that it was a family nickname. I used it because I was too lazy to type his full name.With JJ being linked to an England call up I can't help but wonder whether he will be 'advised' to move to be selected more often.Why is his nickname JJ?
I went to the ATC with a black lad from Castle Vale whose nickname was JJ. When I asked him what it stood for he said "Jungle Juice". This was around 1979-1980 of course.With JJ being linked to an England call up I can't help but wonder whether he will be 'advised' to move to be selected more often.Why is his nickname JJ?
Why is his nickname JJ?I went to the ATC with a black lad from Castle Vale whose nickname was JJ. When I asked him what it stood for he said "Jungle Juice". This was around 1979-1980 of course.
I don’t want him anywhere near Southgate and his anti football and whispering in his ear about joining a bigger club. He can fuck right right off.With JJ being linked to an England call up I can't help but wonder whether he will be 'advised' to move to be selected more often.
Wouldn't be concerned about that all. Hope he gets called up, good for him if he does.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10499099/Gareth-Southgate-considering-Jacob-Ramsey-England-call-stunning-Aston-Villa-form.html
Interesting dynamics yesterday with Digne. A couple of times they got in each other's way - running into the same space / going for the same ball. Neither looked particularly happy and didn't appear to be very constructive about solving it.The body language was not great.
There were also a couple of defenders who got in each other's way; and the terrible attempt by Emi Martinez to clear a ball that Mings put out for a corner.
Linking that to the Leeds second goal - where three players all combined to get in the way of each other - and I wonder what is going on with the on-field communications?
Things definitely don't seem right in the squad.
The bigger one for me is the shove from Mings on Buendia after the Newcastle goal, he looked really pissed off with him. I can understand why Buendia went at the ball but if he'd left it alone I think that's a rputine save for Martinez.
The bigger one for me is the shove from Mings on Buendia after the Newcastle goal, he looked really pissed off with him. I can understand why Buendia went at the ball but if he'd left it alone I think that's a rputine save for Martinez.
I never said he was wrong to go for it, just pointed out that if he hadn't they don't score.
Not sure why you feel the need to turn it into an attack on Mings though and I also think some on here would've had it down as another game changing error if it had been Mings (or if he'd made the tackle Chambers did to give away the free kick).
@LeeB I agree, I think Buendia was gutted.
The bigger one for me is the shove from Mings on Buendia after the Newcastle goal, he looked really pissed off with him. I can understand why Buendia went at the ball but if he'd left it alone I think that's a rputine save for Martinez.
Buendia took it as well, he knew he'd fucked up. I find it hard to blame him though, his instinct is to block the ball and he was left with an area where you'd use three players to cover.
He's not been at his absolute best, so perhaps time for a rest and to give Sanson a start? Sanson has impressed me every time he's come on recently.
I honestly think the biggest problem for JJ isn't the formation but just tiredness. His touch is normally excellent but in the last 2 games he's given away possession with sloppy control a few times. That's the sort of thing you see creeping in when players need a rest. He's still very young to be starting as many games as he is.
He's not been at his absolute best, so perhaps time for a rest and to give Sanson a start? Sanson has impressed me every time he's come on recently.
Ramsey has the ability to run with the ball which helps drag us up the pitch at times. Unfortunately yesterday he also lost the ball a few times a left us vulnerable to a counter attack. When he does carry the ball forward we need to get players closer to him.Yep, it's probably an experience thing, but i thought he held onto the ball a bit longer than necessary, resulting in him giving it away and putting us under pressure. As has been said, he's still very young and i've high hopes for him, but it's an area to work on.
He's going to have dips in form now and again, he is only 20. I like him a lot but he might benefit with a game or two on the bench at some point, he's played a lot of football.
The Totally Football podcast had a West Ham fan/journalist on and he called Ramsey a “Rolls Royce” player and reckoned he is an outsider to start in the World Cup.Hes not really a Southgate kind of player, travels with the ball and he's not even a right back.
High praise.
I wonder if he practices taking free kicks. I think he could be quite a threat on free kicks around the edge of the box with the way he's placed a couple of his goals.
I wonder if he practices taking free kicks. I think he could be quite a threat on free kicks around the edge of the box with the way he's placed a couple of his goals.
He should be in the running for a Young Player of the Year nomination but the voting tends to be stupidly early on those awards, doesn't it? And he only became more of a household name to neutrals December-time.
He should be in the running for a Young Player of the Year nomination but the voting tends to be stupidly early on those awards, doesn't it? And he only became more of a household name to neutrals December-time.
Totally agree he should be a contender for YPOTY award.
The England squad is named today. He couldn’t could he?I wouldn't so don't see how Southgate would.
He should be in the running for a Young Player of the Year nomination but the voting tends to be stupidly early on those awards, doesn't it? And he only became more of a household name to neutrals December-time.
Totally agree he should be a contender for YPOTY award.
It will be someone like Elanga or Smith Rowe when neither have achieved as much as Ramsay
I like him but I wonder if playing him further forward, would work .I do sometimes wonder this, although I think starting from deep and driving at defenders seems to be a particular strength. Inevitably further forward requires a bit more work with your back to goal. He does quite well in tight situations in fairness, but something like that goal vs Brighton for example, or the second in the Leeds game, came from deep driving runs. He's a powerful runner, much like Gerrard used to be and if he's getting up through the gears from the middle, and up to full pelt near the box, he becomes a nightmare to stop.
He should be in the running for a Young Player of the Year nomination but the voting tends to be stupidly early on those awards, doesn't it? And he only became more of a household name to neutrals December-time.
Totally agree he should be a contender for YPOTY award.
It will be someone like Elanga or Smith Rowe when neither have achieved as much as Ramsay
Guehi is an interesting choice. He's looked pretty good the odd time I've seen him play, but not sure he's "next in line" ahead of someone like Tomori. Also, Guehi is another of those young players that has come through the Chelsea system, without ever playing for them, and still generated a £20m fee when he moved last summer. Precisely the sort of thing we want to be doing with any of our youngsters over the next few years, that don't quite make it as first-team players for us.
JJ's time will come, but I doubt it will be before the World Cup unless there is an injury crisis among the midfielders. The group he's picked still has Kalvin Phillips to come back in, so it looks like Gallagher is next in line right now.
Needs a rest
Cracking goal for the U21s tonight. Foot like the proverbial traction engine.
Cracking goal for the U21s tonight. Foot like the proverbial traction engine.
That Madueke from PSV looked a handful from the highlights.
I'm going to put a long bet on this guy signing for city in the future.I really hope not. He seems far more grounded than that previous Judas. I really think he could be with us for a very long time and with one or two additions to the team we could have a very good future, so why leave?
We all know how it ends we they get thatEnglandExit call up.
I'm going to put a long bet on this guy signing for city in the future.I really hope not. He seems far more grounded than that previous Judas. I really think he could be with us for a very long time and with one or two additions to the team we could have a very good future, so why leave?
We all know how it ends when they get thatEnglandExit call up.
If we are ever going to reverse the trophy less trend, we have to stop selling our best players and how long have we been saying this?I'm going to put a long bet on this guy signing for city in the future.I really hope not. He seems far more grounded than that previous Judas. I really think he could be with us for a very long time and with one or two additions to the team we could have a very good future, so why leave?
We all know how it ends when they get thatEnglandExit call up.
Because you go from consistently winning nothing to potentially winning the treble.
I'm going to put a long bet on this guy signing for city in the future.I really hope not. He seems far more grounded than that previous Judas. I really think he could be with us for a very long time and with one or two additions to the team we could have a very good future, so why leave?
We all know how it ends when they get thatEnglandExit call up.
Because you go from consistently winning nothing to potentially winning the treble.
I'm going to put a long bet on this guy signing for city in the future.I really hope not. He seems far more grounded than that previous Judas. I really think he could be with us for a very long time and with one or two additions to the team we could have a very good future, so why leave?
We all know how it ends when they get thatEnglandExit call up.
Because you go from consistently winning nothing to potentially winning the treble.
If we are ever going to reverse the trophy less trend, we have to stop selling our best players and how long have we been saying this?I'm going to put a long bet on this guy signing for city in the future.I really hope not. He seems far more grounded than that previous Judas. I really think he could be with us for a very long time and with one or two additions to the team we could have a very good future, so why leave?
We all know how it ends when they get thatEnglandExit call up.
Because you go from consistently winning nothing to potentially winning the treble.
Not if you spend it like we did.If we are ever going to reverse the trophy less trend, we have to stop selling our best players and how long have we been saying this?I'm going to put a long bet on this guy signing for city in the future.I really hope not. He seems far more grounded than that previous Judas. I really think he could be with us for a very long time and with one or two additions to the team we could have a very good future, so why leave?
We all know how it ends when they get thatEnglandExit call up.
Because you go from consistently winning nothing to potentially winning the treble.
I hate when it happens, but it's not like it doesn't happen to pretty much everyone, and it shouldn't preclude you from winning trophies and being successful. Man Utd sold Ronald for £80m and won the league twice in the next three seasons. Liverpool sold Coutinho and bought the players that allowed them to win the league for the first time in donkey's years. Spurs sold Bale and finished in the top 4 for 4 of the next 6 years (culminating in a champions league final, where their best player was bought with the Bale money)
The issue is when it happens ALL the time, or when you don't reinvest the money well. And the jury is well and truly out on us in that respect.
Personally, I hoped the Grealish money would allow us to do enough to do what Spurs did, in terms of being a champions league place challenger for the next several years - but maybe £100m just doesn't give you the clout it once did.
Jacob's biggest worry is not if he makes it, the talent and ability is there for all to see. What he has to really worry about is that he doesn't become a victim of Denis Mortimer Syndrome. As with Denis, it would be such a waste.
Jacob's biggest worry is not if he makes it, the talent and ability is there for all to see. What he has to really worry about is that he doesn't become a victim of Denis Mortimer Syndrome. As with Denis, it would be such a waste.
I could live with him picking up a few trophies and being the best uncapped player ever.
Out of interest, has anyone set eyes on Cole Ramsey yet? Does anyone know where he plays?
Having that proper DCM will also free JJ up to do his thing. been brilliant for us so far and will get even better. Good to have a goalscoring midfielder.
It’s only a matter of time the big boys come knocking on our door again, so it’s imperative we break top 6 next season
It’s only a matter of time the big boys come knocking on our door again, so it’s imperative we break top 6 next season
He wouldn't leave. He's been here since he was a kid, he's a local lad and, crucially, a Villa fa...
He went to my school. He won't lea...
Some nice comments from Gerrard about Ramsey, suggesting he's even better close-up in training and is the player he wants to build around.Is that at Liverpool? ;)
Gerrard on Jacob Ramsey: “It’s not until you get up close and personal that you see his level and potential.
“Without a doubt, he’s someone who we want to build this group around moving forward.”
Off the ball he needs to be wiser but with it, he's arguably our most dangerous player when running with it. That run and shot against Spurs was so good.
It’s only a matter of time the big boys come knocking on our door again, so it’s imperative we break top 6 next season
I am always a bit behind the curve with Ramsey. In the first year I thought, at best, he was a tidy footballer. This season he’s improved but not good enough to build a team around.He's 21 next month and still developing.
He strikes me as a highlights player, looks good on MOTD.
I hope I continue to be wrong and he makes me look even more daft. Viva Ramsey!
Desperately needs a rest, but who do you bring in. No more chances for Bailey please.
Desperately needs a rest, but who do you bring in. No more chances for Bailey please.
Chukwuemeka would be the obvious choice. Assuming we're going to keep him.
Desperately needs a rest, but who do you bring in. No more chances for Bailey please.
Desperately needs a rest, but who do you bring in. No more chances for Bailey please.Aaron Ramsey
Desperately needs a rest, but who do you bring in. No more chances for Bailey please.
Chukwuemeka would be the obvious choice. Assuming we're going to keep him.
He's disrespected us - I wouldn't consider him.
Buendia has scored 2 goals in 31 matches with 19 starts. I don't get the hype at all and neither does his country because he's played 1 match for them in 2 years.
AEG has put the ball in the net more times than this little guy Norwich pulled our pants down over and he's started 6 matches for us this season and scored 3 goals, but apparently he's the shit one.
You gotta love it!
Buendia has scored 2 goals in 31 matches with 19 starts. I don't get the hype at all and neither does his country because he's played 1 match for them in 2 years.He is potentially a great player and the one we should be playing regularly rather than the other fella.
Bailey should be given the rest of the season off as the only fair way to judge him is with a good pre-season behind him. Jacob will be a star if we don't ruin him, time to really start rotating the squad, give Tim a start in place of Luiz and Buendia has to come in.
Can not see how giving Bailey the rest of the season off would help him, us or his potential resale value.Bailey should be given the rest of the season off as the only fair way to judge him is with a good pre-season behind him. Jacob will be a star if we don't ruin him, time to really start rotating the squad, give Tim a start in place of Luiz and Buendia has to come in.
I agree Bailey needs preseason, but I wouldn’t waste the last few games either. He can get some value from integrating a bit more.
Buendia has scored 2 goals in 31 matches with 19 starts. I don't get the hype at all and neither does his country because he's played 1 match for them in 2 years.Such a daft post. He was pretty much our best player for a good part of the season once he'd settled in.
AEG has put the ball in the net more times than this little guy Norwich pulled our pants down over and he's started 6 matches for us this season and scored 3 goals, but apparently he's the shit one.
You gotta love it!
Very rare for me to be “itk “
But a new contract is all but agreed/signed. 90k a week.
Good work! And brilliant news!Very rare for me to be “itk “
But a new contract is all but agreed/signed. 90k a week.
Well played! Signed up until 2027, which is excellent news.
Very rare for me to be “itk “
But a new contract is all but agreed/signed. 90k a week.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/april/26/ramsey-pens-new-contract/
Pay attention Carney.
Good work! And brilliant news!Very rare for me to be “itk “
But a new contract is all but agreed/signed. 90k a week.
Well played! Signed up until 2027, which is excellent news.
Ramseys. Colossus.
Aldridgeboy, prepare to be examined when it comes to the transfer window!! Good shout, really pleased for Jacob, has a massive future with us and could be an outside bet for the World Cup squad.
Well deserved for Jacob, fantastic news for the club.
Are you watching Carney? Sack your agent and grab the amazing opportunity Villa are offering you.
I think he'll get game time at Dortmund and can see why that route is attractive. What I don't get is why he didn't want to have a proper go at it with us when there's a clear pathway to the 1st team as Jacob has shown.Well deserved for Jacob, fantastic news for the club.
Are you watching Carney? Sack your agent and grab the amazing opportunity Villa are offering you.
Interesting how others seem to be in the reckoning ahead of superstar Chuck. That’s what happens when you refuse to sign a contract I guess and quite rightly so. Maybe he thinks he’ll be a starter at Arsenal or Dortmund?
£90k a week - madness if true, he wont have to worry about the cost of his electricity at his home!
Maybe he just doesnt like Villa - maybe he wants to be playing CL in 2 - 3 years time and doesnt think that will ever happen at VillaI think he'll get game time at Dortmund and can see why that route is attractive. What I don't get is why he didn't want to have a proper go at it with us when there's a clear pathway to the 1st team as Jacob has shown.Well deserved for Jacob, fantastic news for the club.
Are you watching Carney? Sack your agent and grab the amazing opportunity Villa are offering you.
Interesting how others seem to be in the reckoning ahead of superstar Chuck. That’s what happens when you refuse to sign a contract I guess and quite rightly so. Maybe he thinks he’ll be a starter at Arsenal or Dortmund?
£90k a week - madness if true, he wont have to worry about the cost of his electricity at his home!
Madness? That’s a pretty standard PL wage I’d say. About £4m+ a year.Yep.When average players at this level are being routinely transferred for £20m-£30m, I think it's hard to begrudge paying the person who's doing the actual work a decent share of that.
£90k a week - madness if true, he wont have to worry about the cost of his electricity at his home!
Just wait till you hear how much Ed Sheeran earns. ;)
£90k a week - madness if true, he wont have to worry about the cost of his electricity at his home!
Just wait till you hear how much Ed Sheeran earns. ;)
Why? Are we signing him as well?
A year ago he was a bit part player, probably coming in for some criticism. A year later, first team regular, 5 year contract on big money and players' player of the year. Some turnaround.
He’s been brilliant this year. I’ll admit he’s proved me wrong, last year I thought he looked tidy but that was about it. He’s really developed and hopefully he’ll kick on more.
A good read, a grounded lad with a great support from his family.
He’s been brilliant this year. I’ll admit he’s proved me wrong, last year I thought he looked tidy but that was about it. He’s really developed and hopefully he’ll kick on more.But this is what kicking on is all about. He was pretty underwhelming last season, you could see he had ability but he just wasn't impacting games. Frankly it was difficult to know if he'd step up or not.
Excited to see how he develops further next season. If he scores are few early doors I wouldn't rule out a surprise call-up before Qatar, either.
Excited to see how he develops further next season. If he scores are few early doors I wouldn't rule out a surprise call-up before Qatar, either.
Not sure it would even be a surprise. Numerous places do lists of things like "next uncapped player to be called up" and he's always at or near the top of them.
See here (https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-ranking-england-chances-uncapped-premier-league-starters-southgate) for example, fourth on their list and the three players ahead of him have since been capped.
I like the sound of his Mum.
I didn’t know what he was last season, but this season when he drives forward with the ball I see Dennis Mortimer.
I like the sound of his Mum.
I like the sound of his Mum.
Her husband's a boxer, I'd leave it.
If he scores are few early doors I wouldn't rule out a surprise call-up before Qatar, either
Excited to see how he develops further next season. If he scores are few early doors I wouldn't rule out a surprise call-up before Qatar, either.
Not sure it would even be a surprise. Numerous places do lists of things like "next uncapped player to be called up" and he's always at or near the top of them.
See here (https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-ranking-england-chances-uncapped-premier-league-starters-southgate) for example, fourth on their list and the three players ahead of him have since been capped.
I think he's pretty clearly part of the conversation already, a good start to the season and it'll become hard for Southgate to ignore him. The big competition is Gallagher but he has to work out whether he tries to break-through at Chelsea or pushes for a move to keep himself in the picture.
Trained with the England senior squad today.
I imagine it will go to someone like Foden, maybe Gallagher
I imagine it will go to someone like Foden, maybe Gallagher
I've yet to be that impressed with Foden.
I feel like he's a Pep puppet that would have been a better player if he had been a allowed to express himself more.
This is what Grealish has found out to his determent.
Foden has nice touches here and there but often goes missing for large amounts in games.
I hope he proves me wrong and Wins England the world cup but he needs to be more than a nice player.
Gallagher and Reece James have had good seasons and Jacob deserves to be in the list.
Foden looks a really good player to me but he’s not yet at the stage where he is going dominate games but I’m sure t hat will come even if he does have the look of a lad you’d find hanging round the shops with his mates nicking smaller kids bikes.
Agree about Foden, he goes missing for long periods, in some games he is anonymous.I imagine it will go to someone like Foden, maybe Gallagher
I've yet to be that impressed with Foden.
I feel like he's a Pep puppet that would have been a better player if he had been a allowed to express himself more.
This is what Grealish has found out to his determent.
Foden has nice touches here and there but often goes missing for large amounts in games.
I hope he proves me wrong and Wins England the world cup but he needs to be more than a nice player.
Gallagher and Reece James have had good seasons and Jacob deserves to be in the list.
Agree about Foden, he goes missing for long periods, in some games he is anonymous.I imagine it will go to someone like Foden, maybe Gallagher
I've yet to be that impressed with Foden.
I feel like he's a Pep puppet that would have been a better player if he had been a allowed to express himself more.
This is what Grealish has found out to his determent.
Foden has nice touches here and there but often goes missing for large amounts in games.
I hope he proves me wrong and Wins England the world cup but he needs to be more than a nice player.
Gallagher and Reece James have had good seasons and Jacob deserves to be in the list.
Agree about Foden, he goes missing for long periods, in some games he is anonymous.I imagine it will go to someone like Foden, maybe Gallagher
I've yet to be that impressed with Foden.
I feel like he's a Pep puppet that would have been a better player if he had been a allowed to express himself more.
This is what Grealish has found out to his determent.
Foden has nice touches here and there but often goes missing for large amounts in games.
I hope he proves me wrong and Wins England the world cup but he needs to be more than a nice player.
Gallagher and Reece James have had good seasons and Jacob deserves to be in the list.
Not one hyped as much.Agree about Foden, he goes missing for long periods, in some games he is anonymous.I imagine it will go to someone like Foden, maybe Gallagher
I've yet to be that impressed with Foden.
I feel like he's a Pep puppet that would have been a better player if he had been a allowed to express himself more.
This is what Grealish has found out to his determent.
Foden has nice touches here and there but often goes missing for large amounts in games.
I hope he proves me wrong and Wins England the world cup but he needs to be more than a nice player.
Gallagher and Reece James have had good seasons and Jacob deserves to be in the list.
Has there ever been a player in history that statement doesn't apply to?
Agree about Foden, he goes missing for long periods, in some games he is anonymous.I imagine it will go to someone like Foden, maybe Gallagher
I've yet to be that impressed with Foden.
I feel like he's a Pep puppet that would have been a better player if he had been a allowed to express himself more.
This is what Grealish has found out to his determent.
Foden has nice touches here and there but often goes missing for large amounts in games.
I hope he proves me wrong and Wins England the world cup but he needs to be more than a nice player.
Gallagher and Reece James have had good seasons and Jacob deserves to be in the list.
Has there ever been a player in history that statement doesn't apply to?
Agree about Foden, he goes missing for long periods, in some games he is anonymous.I imagine it will go to someone like Foden, maybe Gallagher
I've yet to be that impressed with Foden.
I feel like he's a Pep puppet that would have been a better player if he had been a allowed to express himself more.
This is what Grealish has found out to his determent.
Foden has nice touches here and there but often goes missing for large amounts in games.
I hope he proves me wrong and Wins England the world cup but he needs to be more than a nice player.
Gallagher and Reece James have had good seasons and Jacob deserves to be in the list.
Has there ever been a player in history that statement doesn't apply to?
I can think of loads to be honest, one of them is our manager.
Actually, probably not worth it knowing how argumentative some get on here..Wise words mate.
Sorry
All rather unseemly on Twitter with Project B6 leaving Twitter over accusations of racism which all stemmed from a new banner where Ramsey is called Star Boy. I never knew the term Boy was considered a racist insult, you learn something every day but bloody hell some people just cannot see the intent was never to insult.
All rather unseemly on Twitter with Project B6 leaving Twitter over accusations of racism which all stemmed from a new banner where Ramsey is called Star Boy. I never knew the term Boy was considered a racist insult, you learn something every day but bloody hell some people just cannot see the intent was never to insult.
True, but I was thinking more that "starboy" isn't really a thing anyway, "starman" kinda is.
'Boy' has definite racist connotations, but almost entirely in the context of the southern states of the US, which is why a lot of people wouldn't really pick up on it.
Christ almighty, I was unaware of the kerfuffle, but what a load of old bollocks. Have people really not got anything more meaningful to do with their time?Apparently not.
'Boy' has definite racist connotations, but almost entirely in the context of the southern states of the US, which is why a lot of people wouldn't really pick up on it.
In the same way the 'star' boy may be viewed as anti-Semitic? Was 'Uncle Albert' as localism of Uncle Tom? I hope not and doubt it was. Racist scum just aren't that intelligent.
Imo if they removed the star, and the word "boy" from the banner, it would actually improve the whole appearance of the design.
I haven’t seen any posts accusing them of racism, only the ones reacting to it.
I don’t know how aggressive people were. There’s certainly nothing wrong with pointing out that the way the banner was put together might not be as flattering as was intended as it could have racial connotations.
However, if people have raged at B6, & the young woman that designed it, as if they are out and out racists, then that is crazy & totally counterproductive.
It does nothing to help because it gives the ‘can’t say anything nowadays’ brigade fuel that they really don’t need, & none of us need them to have.
Forgetting how he is described, is anyone worried about the amount of time he will be with the international team and then be back for the league season which is starting earlier? I hope he does not have a “fade away” period as the season extends not having had a reasonable rest period.He didn't have a massively heavy load during the season. He's 21 now and top players need to get used to an extended season. Hopefully nothing to worry about.
is anyone worried about the amount of time he will be with the international team and then be back for the league season which is starting earlier?
Surely could have thought of something better than Star Boy though. Everyone on Twitter is using this along with 'Generational Talent' and I don't like it.
dropped by England despite being on the best players last time out.
Somebody needs to tell the models for this brand that they're promoting a racially offensive word:
https://www.boy-london.com/collections/men/products/boy-eagle-scribble-tee-white-black
At the start of season, Ramsey would be in my starting eleven.
I wonder if Gerrard will try something like this:If all are fit and in-form, this is a strong side. I am a Bailey-doubter and would prefer to see McGinn on the right, with Buendia and Cash. However, Bailey is undoubtedly an asset if he can find the form he promises.
Martinez
Cash Carlos Mings Digne
Kamara
Buendia Ramsey
Bailey Watkins Coutinho
I wonder if Gerrard will try something like this:If all are fit and in-form, this is a strong side. I am a Bailey-doubter and would prefer to see McGinn on the right, with Buendia and Cash. However, Bailey is undoubtedly an asset if he can find the form he promises.
Martinez
Cash Carlos Mings Digne
Kamara
Buendia Ramsey
Bailey Watkins Coutinho
Like OCD, I believe we need to bring in another CMF either to pair with Kamara or to cover for him.
Nice piece on the OS with JJ and AJ interviewing eachother - https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/15/jj-x-aj--a-walk-and-talk-with-the-ramsey-brothers/
Started off the season how he finished the last session - very much as a bystander - he needs to up his game somewhat if he wants a starting berth.
It's incredible how he carries the ball and gets us up the pitch.He'd be a whole lot better if he could play off his left peg, as well as his right. 3 or 4 times he got to the byline and then had to check back into traffic.
Against Everton, he had that incredible energy and never stopped running.
I believe he will have a successful season.
Dare I say it, but he reminds me of Grealish in terms of how he assists our team in possession of the ball.
Its the way he carries with the ball but far quicker than JG. JJ also entice opposing players to him and often only stopped by being fouled because he so quick.
We could have had a penalty from am early first half dribble and JJ still had raw elements in his play but quality is there to see.
Also lovely to hear the chant one of our own go round Villa and he can be pleased with his effort yesterday.
It's incredible how he carries the ball and gets us up the pitch.He'd be a whole lot better if he could play off his left peg, as well as his right. 3 or 4 times he got to the byline and then had to check back into traffic.
Against Everton, he had that incredible energy and never stopped running.
I believe he will have a successful season.
Dare I say it, but he reminds me of Grealish in terms of how he assists our team in possession of the ball.
Its the way he carries with the ball but far quicker than JG. JJ also entice opposing players to him and often only stopped by being fouled because he so quick.
We could have had a penalty from am early first half dribble and JJ still had raw elements in his play but quality is there to see.
Also lovely to hear the chant one of our own go round Villa and he can be pleased with his effort yesterday.
That said, after a patchy first half he played well.
I thought he was caught a lot on possession yesterday but he carried the ball forward more than most. I’d say he needs a few weeks out of the team, but not many others can bring what he can offer.Agreed. I didn’t get the plaudits he received yesterday…. The driving runs (*which were great) hid a lot of what he did wrong in midfield yesterday. Screaming at him for constantly getting caught/muscled off the ball.
I thought he was caught a lot on possession yesterday but he carried the ball forward more than most. I’d say he needs a few weeks out of the team, but not many others can bring what he can offer.
I thought he was caught a lot on possession yesterday but he carried the ball forward more than most. I’d say he needs a few weeks out of the team, but not many others can bring what he can offer.
Out of the team or not starting 11?
I'm interested as to basis. Is that due to his possession?
Still is building fitness but showed good energy. There are raw elements still only 21 expecting a strong season though.
I was encouraged to hear the sensible words by Gerrard about football being a squad and not simply 11 players.
Gerrard will use the players accordingly. I think he starts away to Palace.
By all means Gerrard may use other players though I would still have Ramsey as a starter and if he wasn't he certainly would get minutes from the bench
I thought he was caught a lot on possession yesterday but he carried the ball forward more than most. I’d say he needs a few weeks out of the team, but not many others can bring what he can offer.
Out of the team or not starting 11?
I'm interested as to basis. Is that due to his possession?
Still is building fitness but showed good energy. There are raw elements still only 21 expecting a strong season though.
I was encouraged to hear the sensible words by Gerrard about football being a squad and not simply 11 players.
Gerrard will use the players accordingly. I think he starts away to Palace.
By all means Gerrard may use other players though I would still have Ramsey as a starter and if he wasn't he certainly would get minutes from the bench
Out of the starting 11. Definitely not out of the squad or club!
He's a fine athlete but needs to contribute (a lot) more to the general midfield play. With and without the ball. No point likes of McGinn and Luiz getting slated for not getting us playing when in a three Ramsey is equally as guilty. I think we will see a lot more of him getting stuck in this season, definitely has the physique for it.
He's a fine athlete but needs to contribute (a lot) more to the general midfield play. With and without the ball. No point likes of McGinn and Luiz getting slated for not getting us playing when in a three Ramsey is equally as guilty. I think we will see a lot more of him getting stuck in this season, definitely has the physique for it.
I think he is poor defensively and this is being shown up. It’s not working with him and Mcginn needing to provide defensive cover as neither are any good at it.
Great to see Ramsey starting today vs Arsenal.
Will thrive in a new formation
Can't you just keep posts like that in the currently live match thread?Actually, I shouldn't explain it, but maybe its beneficial to others and the forum and as you asked. I do it because it's very difficult for me to sort through the relevant information on a player in, say, a match thread, and it can be more than overwhelming at times.
It just looks like you're trying to 'last post' every thread.
After a truly shocking first half, I thought he was our best player in the second half.I thought he was piss-poor throughout, to be honest. He has definitely not benefitted from the manager's input thus far.
Can't you just keep posts like that in the currently live match thread?Actually, I shouldn't explain it, but maybe its beneficial to others and the forum and as you asked. I do it because it's very difficult for me to sort through the relevant information on a player in, say, a match thread, and it can be more than overwhelming at times.
It just looks like you're trying to 'last post' every thread.
I also do it to keep relevant players relevant so that we can have a specific discussion about them.
Sorry if it comes across as anything other than that, but I don't really understand the last post thing because I'm only really assisting the forum and myself.
Providing a service
I'm unable to do that. If this is the expectations of forum user for those who don't have the capabilities! Well I say!Footy-Vill finally reveals himself as Kenneth Williams.
Nominated for Sky Sports Premier League Player of the Month. Well done Jacob!
Although based on minimal posts on this thread in September, do we not agree?
Midfielders play between the defence and the attack. There never used to be this minute dissection of where exactly on the pitch they played.
Midfielders play between the defence and the attack. There never used to be this minute dissection of where exactly on the pitch they played.good point - the likes of Richardson, Townsend, Taylor - can't really recall either of them being specifically attacking or defensive midfielders - back then, the majority of these midfielders were all-rounders, more box-to-box.
Midfielders play between the defence and the attack. There never used to be this minute dissection of where exactly on the pitch they played.good point - the likes of Richardson, Townsend, Taylor - can't really recall either of them being specifically attacking or defensive midfielders - back then, the majority of these midfielders were all-rounders, more box-to-box.
Midfielders play between the defence and the attack. There never used to be this minute dissection of where exactly on the pitch they played.
It’s taken Emery only 4 days to realise Ramsey is a front foot player with a great finish. He’s going to go to another level under Emery.
He’s clearly a forward thinking midfielder. He has to play in a role that gives him the opportunity to do what he does best.The way we set up today meant that Ramsey was able to move into the space between Cash and Bailey, in the hole created by pulling Utd's midfield over to our left...he found himself in acres of space at least 4/5 times in the first half and was able to bomb forward and create some great openings.
The way we set up today meant that... in the hole
A goal, an assist and an own goal. A hat-trick with a difference!
3 - by George!
3 - by George!
That was clever.
3 - by George!
That was clever.
Thank you.
Collective noun - how about an alf of Ramseys?
Out for 4-5 weeks.
Clattered by Buendia in training 😞
Daft considering the levels and ages, but he reminds me of Jude Bellingham the way he glides forward with the ball.He is more dynamic than Bellingham driving forward with the ball. Don’t get me wrong, Bellingham is currently the better all rounded midfielder, but Ramseys pace & direct dribbling are superior to Bellinghams. But again, I reiterate, Bellingham is currently the more superior all rounded midfielder. Both are wonderful footballers though. But Bellingham is currently the superior all rounded midfielder. Just for the cheap seats at the back.
Daft considering the levels and ages, but he reminds me of Jude Bellingham the way he glides forward with the ball.He is more dynamic than Bellingham driving forward with the ball. Don’t get me wrong, Bellingham is currently the better all rounded midfielder, but Ramseys pace & direct dribbling are superior to Bellinghams. But again, I reiterate, Bellingham is currently the more superior all rounded midfielder. Both are wonderful footballers though. But Bellingham is currently the superior all rounded midfielder. Just for the cheap seats at the back.
Bellingham looks to be a once in a generation type player. Ramsey will have a very good Premier League career, but he's nowhere near the same level. Although when Bellingham inevitably just becomes another sad cog in the Man City tippy tappy machine, Ramsey will enjoy his career more.
Bellingham looks to be a once in a generation type player. Ramsey will have a very good Premier League career, but he's nowhere near the same level. Although when Bellingham inevitably just becomes another sad cog in the Man City tippy tappy machine, Ramsey will enjoy his career more.
Jacob could develop into an outstanding wide striker.He is quick,has excellent dribbling skills and is a good finisher.He will also do the tracking back.We can earmark Aaron for a more central role.And then there is Cole.
Bellingham is how I imagined Duncan Edwards was like.
Bellingham is how I imagined Duncan Edwards was like.
Duncan Edwards was way stockier, next time you see a picture of him take a good look at his thighs. Jacob is almost sylph-like compared to Edwards.
Bellingham is how I imagined Duncan Edwards was like.Bellingham will do well to be anywhere close to how Dennis Mortimer was in his best days.
Bellingham is how I imagined Duncan Edwards was like.
Duncan Edwards was way stockier, next time you see a picture of him take a good look at his thighs. Jacob is almost sylph-like compared to Edwards.
I get what he means though, someone so obviously the complete player at a ridiculously early age.
Bellingham is how I imagined Duncan Edwards was like.Bellingham will do well to be anywhere close to how Dennis Mortimer was in his best days.
JJ has all the requirements to play in the front 3 and can see Emery deploying him even as the main striker if needs must.Bizarre.
Not one of Footy-Vill's worst suggestions.Jacob has pace,excellent dribbling skills in more central areas and possibly our best finisher.Weaker areas at the moment would be tackling and getting caught in possession.JJ has all the requirements to play in the front 3 and can see Emery deploying him even as the main striker if needs must.Bizarre.
His key strength is the timing of his runs to the edge of the box. I could see him operating as a withdrawn wide player at a push, but not as the main striker.
JJ has played well as a box to box midfielder - no point in moving his positionWe have employed him usually as a wide midfielder and there are flaws to his game,he's young anyway,in that role.Centrally he could be devastating if playing behind the central striker or as a wide attacker.Box to box he has the energy but doesn't convince defending our box.
Not at all it's not a traditional 9 role but a false 9 he would be perfect in the respect to getting into the box and has the shooting ability. Buendia is another who can play that role due to his energy.JJ has all the requirements to play in the front 3 and can see Emery deploying him even as the main striker if needs must.Bizarre.
His key strength is the timing of his runs to the edge of the box. I could see him operating as a withdrawn wide player at a push, but not as the main striker.
You can't have it both ways, Footy: you said ''main striker' - the concept of a false nine is that one of a few players takes responsibility for being the furthest player forward (i.e. there is no main striker).Not at all it's not a traditional 9 role but a false 9 he would be perfect in the respect to getting into the box and has the shooting ability. Buendia is another who can play that role due to his energy.JJ has all the requirements to play in the front 3 and can see Emery deploying him even as the main striker if needs must.Bizarre.
His key strength is the timing of his runs to the edge of the box. I could see him operating as a withdrawn wide player at a push, but not as the main striker.
Needs a spell out of the team, he's been dreadful. I don't think playing wide in a 4-4-2 suits him at all.
Needs a spell out of the team, he's been dreadful. I don't think playing wide in a 4-4-2 suits him at all.
I think the opposite, needs games to get back up to speed and to adapt to Emre’s ideas.
This is why I'm not keen on our formation. Ramsey is much better through the middle, ghosting into the box. He really could be the next Ian Taylor if coached properly.
Ramsey is one of these who tends to drift out of games. I wonder in hindsight if Mcginn instead of him would have been a better option today.
Needs dropping. Really poor this season.
I’ve been critical of McGinn, but he was positive when he came on and certainly made a difference. Ramsey is going through one of those phases that afflict young players from time to time, and needs taking out of the firing line. Long term he’ll be fine though.
I’ve been critical of McGinn, but he was positive when he came on and certainly made a difference. Ramsey is going through one of those phases that afflict young players from time to time, and needs taking out of the firing line. Long term he’ll be fine though.
Agree with this, he was at his most effective when he could run at defences, he's being asked to play a position that doesn't suit him.
He’s most influential through the middle. That role he had when Lego head first joined and was just flying alongside Coutinho. He’s been shifted all over the place since and lost some of his confidence. He needs to get into the box more as an attacking midfielder. He’s much less effective in a more conservative role.
There isnt a place for ramsey in this system.
There isnt a place for ramsey in this system.
Is the correct answer for me...another reason to get rid of it.
It'll be interesting to see whether Emery intends to just stick with 4-2-2-2 or whether he starts to bring in 4-2-3-1. Ramsey might better suit 4-2-3-1.
It'll be interesting to see whether Emery intends to just stick with 4-2-2-2 or whether he starts to bring in 4-2-3-1. Ramsey might better suit 4-2-3-1.
That's the way I see it, not just Ramsey. 4231 would enable us to play Buendia or Coutinho in their correct position at 10 too. McGinn would be fine on the right. Ramsey needs to do a lot more in and out of possession though, regardless of formation. Rarely does he ever win a tackle or header.
It'll be interesting to see whether Emery intends to just stick with 4-2-2-2 or whether he starts to bring in 4-2-3-1. Ramsey might better suit 4-2-3-1.
That's the way I see it, not just Ramsey. 4231 would enable us to play Buendia or Coutinho in their correct position at 10 too. McGinn would be fine on the right. Ramsey needs to do a lot more in and out of possession though, regardless of formation. Rarely does he ever win a tackle or header.
I don't know why he doesn't try it. I've just made the point elsewhere that two of the players in Ramsey and Bailey just aren't working in the 4-4-2, and Buendia is either either good or completely anonymous. I know he's having to shoehorn players in, but it seems to me that 4-2-3-1 would suit what we have much better than the system he's trying, either 4-4-2 or 4-2-2-2. You'd have Watkins up front on his own, with a choice of Buendia and Coutinho on the left of an attacking three, McGinn or Ramsey in the middle of the three, and either Bailey or Traore on the right. Ramsey's not a winger, and Bailey's not a forward, and neither of them are showing any sort of improvement, no matter how much faith he puts in them.
It'll be interesting to see whether Emery intends to just stick with 4-2-2-2 or whether he starts to bring in 4-2-3-1. Ramsey might better suit 4-2-3-1.
That's the way I see it, not just Ramsey. 4231 would enable us to play Buendia or Coutinho in their correct position at 10 too. McGinn would be fine on the right. Ramsey needs to do a lot more in and out of possession though, regardless of formation. Rarely does he ever win a tackle or header.
I don't know why he doesn't try it. I've just made the point elsewhere that two of the players in Ramsey and Bailey just aren't working in the 4-4-2, and Buendia is either either good or completely anonymous. I know he's having to shoehorn players in, but it seems to me that 4-2-3-1 would suit what we have much better than the system he's trying, either 4-4-2 or 4-2-2-2. You'd have Watkins up front on his own, with a choice of Buendia and Coutinho on the left of an attacking three, McGinn or Ramsey in the middle of the three, and either Bailey or Traore on the right. Ramsey's not a winger, and Bailey's not a forward, and neither of them are showing any sort of improvement, no matter how much faith he puts in them.
Managerial stubbornness I'm afraid, we have seen it before. Moreno will give us more options going forward too. At least he has the pace to get back unlike Digne. Ideal time to try 4231 v Arsenal. McGinn/Buendia/Ramsey or some variation of it. Plenty of options in those areas now with Coutinho, Duran, Bailey and even Traore.
Get Ramsey helping Watkins press from the front and breaking on the counter attack (like v City earlier in the season) and we will see a better player.
Ramsey won't be sold, he's our poster boy until Archer comes food.
Ramsey won't be sold, he's our poster boy until Archer comes food.
Ah, he'll be sharing his porridge soon enough.
It'll be interesting to see whether Emery intends to just stick with 4-2-2-2 or whether he starts to bring in 4-2-3-1. Ramsey might better suit 4-2-3-1.
That's the way I see it, not just Ramsey. 4231 would enable us to play Buendia or Coutinho in their correct position at 10 too. McGinn would be fine on the right. Ramsey needs to do a lot more in and out of possession though, regardless of formation. Rarely does he ever win a tackle or header.
I don't know why he doesn't try it. I've just made the point elsewhere that two of the players in Ramsey and Bailey just aren't working in the 4-4-2, and Buendia is either either good or completely anonymous. I know he's having to shoehorn players in, but it seems to me that 4-2-3-1 would suit what we have much better than the system he's trying, either 4-4-2 or 4-2-2-2. You'd have Watkins up front on his own, with a choice of Buendia and Coutinho on the left of an attacking three, McGinn or Ramsey in the middle of the three, and either Bailey or Traore on the right. Ramsey's not a winger, and Bailey's not a forward, and neither of them are showing any sort of improvement, no matter how much faith he puts in them.
Managerial stubbornness I'm afraid, we have seen it before. Moreno will give us more options going forward too. At least he has the pace to get back unlike Digne. Ideal time to try 4231 v Arsenal. McGinn/Buendia/Ramsey or some variation of it. Plenty of options in those areas now with Coutinho, Duran, Bailey and even Traore.
Get Ramsey helping Watkins press from the front and breaking on the counter attack (like v City earlier in the season) and we will see a better player.
Managerial stubbornness is one way of looking at it, another is asking players to buy into his methods. It appears to be working for some but those that can’t adapt when given the chance will, you would imagine, find themselves being replaced.
Poor first half but a couple of his trademark surging runs second half.I thought out of all midfielders he was only one to show anything first half granted we've seen better but in context of team play and attempt to go forward Ramsey was only one first half even thinking that from the midfield
When he goes on those runs I just think, why don't you do that more often? There's so much talent in there somewhere.
I worry that he'll be like Gabby - one goal against Small Heath and he'll dine out on it for the next 12 monthsRamsey won't be sold, he's our poster boy until Archer comes food.
Ah, he'll be sharing his porridge soon enough.
He just needs to get his hunger back.
Our Jacob won't be playing against that lot anytime soon! Unless they are unlucky enough to draw us in a Cup competition - and if they are they'll be easy meat for him.I worry that he'll be like Gabby - one goal against Small Heath and he'll dine out on it for the next 12 monthsRamsey won't be sold, he's our poster boy until Archer comes food.
Ah, he'll be sharing his porridge soon enough.
He just needs to get his hunger back.
Still very early in his career - he's only 21. You simply can't be on top form every single match. Players go through dips in form, even top experienced players. Some people almost writing him off already. He'll get better under UE. It wasn't long ago that people were writing off McGinn and Watkins.
I don't think anybody's written him off, have they? Most people have just said he's not been at his best recently, and probably shouldn't be starting. He improved second half against Everton, and showed glimpses of what he's capable of.
On Saturday he had 3 very good carries with the ball, I don’t remember much else in terms of linking up, tackling or interceptions shots on target etc.
Whilst I agree he has talent I don’t think his overall contribution is enough
yet, but hopefully will develop into a top player.
I'd really like to see Emery try 4-2-3-1, as I think it would suit the likes of Ramsey much better than being stuck wide in a fairly rigid 4-4-2, as in
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Digne/Moreno
Kamara Luiz
Buendia McGinn Ramsey
Watkins
“It is different under this boss,” he said. “My role is to get forward, create chances and get goals and assists. I did that today.
“Me and Ollie Watkins have been working on the training ground. Everyone has had to adapt to the new gaffer's style. Under Steven Gerrard, I was playing deeper and now I'm higher up. I need to improve but I'm enjoying it.”
Ramsey added: "We controlled the game in the first half. I needed that goal for the confidence but the most important thing is the three points. Where the club wants to go, we need a strong finish. We need to improve our home form.”
I thought Gerrard gave him carte blanched to get forward?
I'm no fan of Carpet-head but JJ was the one player who thrived under him.
I thought Gerrard gave him carte blanched to get forward?
I'm no fan of Carpet-head but JJ was the one player who thrived under him.
Sorry, auto-spell, carte-blanche!
Re Coutinho - maybe, although the two dovetailed nicely at the beginning when Coutinho joined.
Thinking back to the start of the season, i.e Ramsey getting the winner in that dire 1-0 over Saints at VP, I could be wrong but I thought he was still being given plenty of license to bomb-on at that stage. Just struck me as odd for Ramsey to say yesterday that he has more attacking freedom under Emery. I thought he had more all-round responsibilities now, hence his struggle to show his attacking prowess since before Christmas.
Maybe Paul has it right though that us giving up the middle of the park in Gerrard's last 15 games or so saw all our CMs suffer (him, Ginny and Luiz). I've tried to block-out those games from memory (not too difficult).
Why didn't he start? He plays for the biggest club in England.
Ramsey cruising like a Rolls Royce, involved in the build up to England's 2nd and 3rd and put the 4th away beautifully.
Why didn't he start? He plays for the biggest club in England.when did he join Tottenham?
Southgate might be gone by next July.
Live on BBC 3 tonight from 7.30pm (channels: free view 23, sky 117 & virgin 107)
Or to put it another way, England's first win in Italy in 8 games.
His running and passing is pretty much back to his best, he just needs to work on his composure now. He was clean through three times today, and didn’t make the right decision in any of them unfortunately. Running with the ball, he’s a joy to watch though.
It would be fantastic if in a few years we're flying and we have Jacob, Aaron and Cole in the side.
It would be fantastic if in a few years we're flying and we have Jacob, Aaron and Cole in the side.
Cole? There's a 3rd Ramsey brother?
It would be fantastic if in a few years we're flying and we have Jacob, Aaron and Cole in the side.
Cole? There's a 3rd Ramsey brother?
14 or 15 I think.
Both Jacob & Aaron Ramsey reckon that Cole Ramsey is the best player out of all three of them...
Time will tell...
It would be fantastic if in a few years we're flying and we have Jacob, Aaron and Cole in the side.
Cole? There's a 3rd Ramsey brother?
14 or 15 I think.
Both Jacob & Aaron Ramsey reckon that Cole Ramsey is the best player out of all three of them...
Time will tell...
If Cole and Aaron live up to their promise we should take that underserved name down of the Witton Lane Stand and stick their old man's up instead.
If Cole and Aaron live up to their promise we should take that underserved name down of the Witton Lane Stand and stick their old man's up instead.
If Cole and Aaron live up to their promise we should take that underserved name down of the Witton Lane Stand and stick their old man's up instead.
Call it the Ramsey Stand and we could also pay homage to our most successful manager.
If Cole and Aaron live up to their promise we should take that underserved name down of the Witton Lane Stand and stick their old man's up instead.
Call it the Ramsey Stand and we could also pay homage to our most successful manager.
Apart from spelling his name incorrectly :P
He seems to be settled in the side now in a position that really suits him. Would really like to see him kick on now and become an established top flight player.
To do so, I think he needs to improve his composure in the final third and become a regular goal scorer and provider. He broke away really well a few times against Chelsea, only to then blow the opportunity to either get a shot off or feed Ollie Watkins.
It would be fantastic if in a few years we're flying and we have Jacob, Aaron and Cole in the side.
Cole? There's a 3rd Ramsey brother?
14 or 15 I think.
Both Jacob & Aaron Ramsey reckon that Cole Ramsey is the best player out of all three of them...
Time will tell...
It's frightening to think that Jacob, as excellent as he is, is quite possibly the least talented of the three.
he's pretty 2footed but I think he slightly favours his left.
Which is his preferred foot?
Which is his preferred foot?
He is naturally right footed but is pretty decent with his left. Almost naturally two footed...
Will be in the next England squad I suspect. Great to see him back to his best. The goal scoring midfielder we have been missing for years.
He deserves an international call up. One of the best young players in the league.But not to Gareth. For GS to pick him he needs to be regularly sitting on the bench for a CL club.
Watching games like today it's easy to think that it won't take much to turn Ramsey into a 10-15 goal a season player, he picks great runs and finds space, just needs a bit more composure at times. He could have a hattrick today.
Considering Southgates sour mug when the camera panned on him when Watkins scored & his failed attempt to crack a smile when he saw himself on the camera, I wouldn't count on Southgate doing anything other than ignoring form, picking his favourites from the media marketing opportunity clubs, even if they aren't playing & trying to convince Villa players they would be better of getting splinters in their arse on a Champs League clubs bench...
Twat.
Considering Southgates sour mug when the camera panned on him when Watkins scored & his failed attempt to crack a smile when he saw himself on the camera, I wouldn't count on Southgate doing anything other than ignoring form, picking his favourites from the media marketing opportunity clubs, even if they aren't playing & trying to convince Villa players they would be better of getting splinters in their arse on a Champs League clubs bench...
Twat.
He’s doing really well at the moment, but let’s face it he is no Mason Mount.
On a more serious note, I thought he was excellent yesterday. He’s already building a good link up with Moreno on the left side.
I know he isn't popular on here but what do people expect Southgate to do when Watkins scores? Take his tie off and swing it around his head?
I know he isn't popular on here but what do people expect Southgate to do when Watkins scores? Take his tie off and swing it around his head?
I know he isn't popular on here but what do people expect Southgate to do when Watkins scores? Take his tie off and swing it around his head?
I think the face he was exhibiting was his normal face.
especially from a former playerI think the face he was exhibiting was his normal face.
Usually when someone scores who could be of benefit to you, one would expect some sort of smile, applause, etc.
Some positive recognition of the work the player he was supposed to be there watching had just completed.
Its not really that important, I just thought it was bad form that he looked like someone had stolen his crisps...
I know he isn't popular on here but what do people expect Southgate to do when Watkins scores? Take his tie off and swing it around his head?
Maybe not, but I thought the ‘wanker’ hand gestures, throat slitting motion and chorus of ‘shit on the Villa’ was a bit much personally.
honestly believe it because we wouldn't let him leave first timeI know he isn't popular on here but what do people expect Southgate to do when Watkins scores? Take his tie off and swing it around his head?
Maybe not, but I thought the ‘wanker’ hand gestures, throat slitting motion and chorus of ‘shit on the Villa’ was a bit much personally.
Made me laugh.
Southgate seems a decent chap and was a good player for us until he fucked off to a big cl...AHEM Middlesvilla. He's done OK with the England job given his lack of any kind of success at club management. But if he doesn't pick Watkins and to a lesser extent Ramsey and Mings for the next squad it's gonna look really weird.
I know he isn't popular on here but what do people expect Southgate to do when Watkins scores? Take his tie off and swing it around his head?
Maybe not, but I thought the ‘wanker’ hand gestures, throat slitting motion and chorus of ‘shit on the Villa’ was a bit much personally.
Made me laugh.
Southgate seems a decent chap and was a good player for us until he fucked off to a big cl...AHEM Middlesvilla. He's done OK with the England job given his lack of any kind of success at club management. But if he doesn't pick Watkins and to a lesser extent Ramsey and Mings for the next squad it's gonna look really weird.
Getting Boro to the final of a European competition is pretty impressive, plus they must’ve qualified through a cup or league position.
I think the face he was exhibiting was his normal face.
Usually when someone scores who could be of benefit to you, one would expect some sort of smile, applause, etc.
Some positive recognition of the work the player he was supposed to be there watching had just completed.
Its not really that important, I just thought it was bad form that he looked like someone had stolen his crisps...
I think the face he was exhibiting was his normal face.
Usually when someone scores who could be of benefit to you, one would expect some sort of smile, applause, etc.
Some positive recognition of the work the player he was supposed to be there watching had just completed.
Its not really that important, I just thought it was bad form that he looked like someone had stolen his crisps...
He did smile quite broadly when Watkins got his second goal. I was actually a bit surprised as I thought he would be more poker faced.
If Cole and Aaron live up to their promise we should take that underserved name down of the Witton Lane Stand and stick their old man's up instead.
He clearly doesn't need help getting it up.
Including foreplay and post sex cigarette, yeh about right.If Cole and Aaron live up to their promise we should take that underserved name down of the Witton Lane Stand and stick their old man's up instead.
He clearly doesn't need help getting it up.
I don't know what his marital situation is like but he could make a few bob studding himself. £20k for 50 seconds? That's normal isn't it? ... lads?!
I think we are a bit paranoid. He annoyed the shit out of me when he wouldn't pick Grealish. But none of us thought he should pick Watkins until, perhaps, the last squad when he had scored 5 in 5 but Toney was picked ahead of him having scored twice as many for the season. I am sure Watkins will be in the next squad. He had two goals in his first 18 games of the season or whatever it was before that. Southgate picked him when he was scoring 11 goals a season for us.it was the statements he was coming out with like grealish would have to be playing in the premiership, now he plays at Manchester suddenly he becomes Pele,as for Mings granted he wasn't playing as well as expected, but when he picks Harry Cockup I can't get picked for Utd even McGuire nów that's codswallop
None of us have spoken seriously about him picking Ramsey this season, where his form until recently has been, at best, up and down.
Mings is the most unfortunate. But do people really think that the England manager isn't picking him, Watkins or Ramsey and in doing so compromising their careers because he was denied the chance to leave the club 12 months early 21 years ago? What cadswallop.
Plenty of neutrals couldn't understand why he refused to use Grealish and continue to wonder why the likes of Maguire continue to be involved when they aren't playing for their clubs.
To build on Olof Beard's point though, Watkins and Mings are fast making themselves players that have to be picked. This is no longer short-term form. Ramsey's a little bit different because he's a big player in the U21 set-up, his form has only recently picked up and it's really competitive in those positions. He's got more to do.
I think people are overanalysing Southgate’s facial expressions.
Plenty of neutrals couldn't understand why he refused to use Grealish and continue to wonder why the likes of Maguire continue to be involved when they aren't playing for their clubs.
To build on Olof Beard's point though, Watkins and Mings are fast making themselves players that have to be picked. This is no longer short-term form. Ramsey's a little bit different because he's a big player in the U21 set-up, his form has only recently picked up and it's really competitive in those positions. He's got more to do.
More than Gallagher from Chelsea?
Southgate is a wanker, I am happy that our players are not involved.
Southgate is a wanker, I am happy that our players are not involved.
Totally agree.
I tried, but the best I could think of was 'Box to Boxy Lady'.
Anyone else think JJ looks a bit like Jimi Hendrix at times (think it is especially with that moustache)?
Has anyone stopped to think what it must be like to be a 21 year old local lad to be now considered a first name on teamsheet player, to score in big games, including at the Holte end and then to have 40K people chanting your name
This really is boys own stuff
Now being touted for a full cap for England
Jack who ???????
Has anyone stopped to think what it must be like to be a 21 year old local lad to be now considered a first name on teamsheet player, to score in big games, including at the Holte end and then to have 40K people chanting your name
This really is boys own stuff
Now being touted for a full cap for England
Jack who ???????
Needs a better song than that.
He's a £50m player now as well, imo.
Needs a better song than that.
The Wind Cries EmeryThat might scan better than the original!
The Wind Cries EmeryThat might scan better than the original!
Now, if we could shoe horn in a Hendrix chant, I’d be a happy purplehazetrousers.
Needs a better song than that.
He's a £50m player now as well, imo.
when he's on it. Hit and miss for me. Needs to toughen up when running through with the ball into the box. Too often goes missing
He's a £50m player now as well, imo.
He's a £50m player now as well, imo.
I'm not sure about that. I think he's been pretty average in the last few weeks.
An excellent goal on Saturday and is generally a very accomplished finisher. He's pretty much got unlimited potential given his age, but at the moment he goes missing too often and in my opinion slows down attacks too much at times too. I'm excited for his future but sometimes I think he needs some time out the team.
He's a £50m player now as well, imo.
I'm not sure about that. I think he's been pretty average in the last few weeks.
An excellent goal on Saturday and is generally a very accomplished finisher. He's pretty much got unlimited potential given his age, but at the moment he goes missing too often and in my opinion slows down attacks too much at times too. I'm excited for his future but sometimes I think he needs some time out the team.
Remember though that Alex Iwobi is a £35m player.
He's a £50m player now as well, imo.
I'm not sure about that. I think he's been pretty average in the last few weeks.
An excellent goal on Saturday and is generally a very accomplished finisher. He's pretty much got unlimited potential given his age, but at the moment he goes missing too often and in my opinion slows down attacks too much at times too. I'm excited for his future but sometimes I think he needs some time out the team.
Remember though that Alex Iwobi is a £35m player.
Value for money wise that has to be one of the worst prem to prem transfers in history.
It's actually mad that he's only 21 (albeit only for another couple of weeks). He seems to have been around forever. As others have said, he's going to be a bit hit or miss, in a season or two the consistency should come.
He's a £50m player now as well, imo.
I'm not sure about that. I think he's been pretty average in the last few weeks.
An excellent goal on Saturday and is generally a very accomplished finisher. He's pretty much got unlimited potential given his age, but at the moment he goes missing too often and in my opinion slows down attacks too much at times too. I'm excited for his future but sometimes I think he needs some time out the team.
Remember though that Alex Iwobi is a £35m player.
Value for money wise that has to be one of the worst prem to prem transfers in history.
It’s massively shit. But I don’t think it’s worse than Dele Alli to Everton for £40m, Anthony Gordon to Newcastle for £45m, back in the day Vernon to Man U for £40m, Andy Carroll to Liverpool for £37m, Rodwell to Sunderland for £12m but the finances nearly crippled them, or the worst of all Drinkwater to Chelsea for £35m.
He's a £50m player now as well, imo.
I'm not sure about that. I think he's been pretty average in the last few weeks.
An excellent goal on Saturday and is generally a very accomplished finisher. He's pretty much got unlimited potential given his age, but at the moment he goes missing too often and in my opinion slows down attacks too much at times too. I'm excited for his future but sometimes I think he needs some time out the team.
Remember though that Alex Iwobi is a £35m player.
Value for money wise that has to be one of the worst prem to prem transfers in history.
It’s massively shit. But I don’t think it’s worse than Dele Alli to Everton for £40m, Anthony Gordon to Newcastle for £45m, back in the day Vernon to Man U for £40m, Andy Carroll to Liverpool for £37m, Rodwell to Sunderland for £12m but the finances nearly crippled them, or the worst of all Drinkwater to Chelsea for £35m.
Yeah, Alli and Drinkwater are definitely worse. Gordon I think could be but I think there is maybe some potential there if he stopped being a whiney little prick. I'm going just by how he played against Liverpool, he ran them ragged for Everton.
No. He’s been excellent and at only 20 years old a superb talent and will get better and better.He's a £50m player now as well, imo.I'm not sure about that. I think he's been pretty average in the last few weeks.
It's actually mad that he's only 21 (albeit only for another couple of weeks). He seems to have been around forever. As others have said, he's going to be a bit hit or miss, in a season or two the consistency should come.
He's a £50m player now as well, imo.
I'm not sure about that. I think he's been pretty average in the last few weeks.
An excellent goal on Saturday and is generally a very accomplished finisher. He's pretty much got unlimited potential given his age, but at the moment he goes missing too often and in my opinion slows down attacks too much at times too. I'm excited for his future but sometimes I think he needs some time out the team.
Remember though that Alex Iwobi is a £35m player.
He's 22 in 12 days' time.No. He’s been excellent and at only 20 years old a superb talent and will get better and better.He's a £50m player now as well, imo.I'm not sure about that. I think he's been pretty average in the last few weeks.
Anyone else think JJ looks a bit like Jimi Hendrix at times (think it is especially with that moustache)?I'd say more like a young Phil Lynott - a vagabond of the Villa world.
He's 22 in 12 days' time.There is no need to to spoil a casual argument with facts Mister E.😂
8)He's 22 in 12 days' time.There is no need to to spoil a casual argument with facts Mister E.😂
If we want a model for Ramsey, I'd say Lampard is a good one: he's not the best defensive midfielder but his driving runs and eye for a shot definitely mirror the Chelsea great.
If we want a model for Ramsey, I'd say Lampard is a good one: he's not the best defensive midfielder but his driving runs and eye for a shot definitely mirror the Chelsea great.
One of the things I like about JJ is every time he scores, in his celebrations, he looks like his face might explode, he's that excited.
His goal away at Norwich was a thing of beauty.
There's a lot of goals to be had, ghosting in at the back post.
His goal away at Norwich was a thing of beauty.
Norwich?! I tell you what, Ashley Young at Everton in the last minute was a beauty.
Ramsey will get into double figures for us in the next season or 2
Loved that set piece we did where Ramsey suddenly comes into view, at full speed, and suddenly he's in on goal.
Loved that set piece we did where Ramsey suddenly comes into view, at full speed, and suddenly he's in on goal.
Against a lesser keeper and it’s a goal. It was a very strong/arm or hand that prevented it going in.
Ramsey will get into double figures for us in the next season or 2
I think this is the target Unai will be setting for him next season.
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I think this is the target Unai will be setting for him next season.
Typically you want 20 goals from your strikers, 10 apiece from the midfield and 4-5 from each of the back 4.
Fully expect Unai to be asking for all of the team to up their efforts - and that goes for clean sheets too.
Ramsey will get into double figures for us in the next season or 2
I think this is the target Unai will be setting for him next season.
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I think this is the target Unai will be setting for him next season.
Typically you want 20 goals from your strikers, 10 apiece from the midfield and 4-5 from each of the back 4.
Fully expect Unai to be asking for all of the team to up their efforts - and that goes for clean sheets too.
Typically? That's 100 goals a season!
I'm with SaddVillan here (with caveats).[ Invalid YouTube link ]Ramsey will get into double figures for us in the next season or 2
I think this is the target Unai will be setting for him next season.
Typically you want 20 goals from your strikers, 10 apiece from the midfield and 4-5 from each of the back 4.
Fully expect Unai to be asking for all of the team to up their efforts - and that goes for clean sheets too.
Typically? That's 100 goals a season!
I'm with SaddVillan here (with caveats).[ Invalid YouTube link ]Ramsey will get into double figures for us in the next season or 2
I think this is the target Unai will be setting for him next season.
Typically you want 20 goals from your strikers, 10 apiece from the midfield and 4-5 from each of the back 4.
Fully expect Unai to be asking for all of the team to up their efforts - and that goes for clean sheets too.
Typically? That's 100 goals a season!
- Man City have scored 93 goals so far this season.
- Last season they scored 99
- The season before, 83
- The season before that, 102 (finished 2nd - winners Liverpool scored 85)
- The season before that, 95
Basically, if you want to win the league - you've got to be getting bloody close to 100 goals. If you've aspirations of finishing around there, you've got to be setting the sort of targets that'd see you getting 90+ goals
I'm with SaddVillan here (with caveats).[ Invalid YouTube link ]Ramsey will get into double figures for us in the next season or 2
I think this is the target Unai will be setting for him next season.
Typically you want 20 goals from your strikers, 10 apiece from the midfield and 4-5 from each of the back 4.
Fully expect Unai to be asking for all of the team to up their efforts - and that goes for clean sheets too.
Typically? That's 100 goals a season!
- Man City have scored 93 goals so far this season.
- Last season they scored 99
- The season before, 83
- The season before that, 102 (finished 2nd - winners Liverpool scored 85)
- The season before that, 95
Basically, if you want to win the league - you've got to be getting bloody close to 100 goals. If you've aspirations of finishing around there, you've got to be setting the sort of targets that'd see you getting 90+ goals
Manchester United will be playing champions league football next season, and they've scored 52 goals.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, we're going to finish this season with about 50 goals, and that's including an awful start to the season. I'll be happy if we score 60 next season and if we aldo keep the solid defence we've established in the last few months then I think we'll be right in the mix for the top 4.
Also 4 players scoring 10 goals each is just as good as 1 player getting 25 and the others getting 5 each (and it's harder to plan tactics against a team that has more players who can score). That's why I always try to break goals down by units more than by players.
Where I'm most disappointed this season is the lack of goals from defence, 3 all season just isn't good enough for this squad.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, we're going to finish this season with about 50 goals, and that's including an awful start to the season. I'll be happy if we score 60 next season and if we aldo keep the solid defence we've established in the last few months then I think we'll be right in the mix for the top 4.
Also 4 players scoring 10 goals each is just as good as 1 player getting 25 and the others getting 5 each (and it's harder to plan tactics against a team that has more players who can score). That's why I always try to break goals down by units more than by players.
Where I'm most disappointed this season is the lack of goals from defence, 3 all season just isn't good enough for this squad.
Especially when you've got someone as good at getting forward as Moreno is, and with the aerial ability of Mings.
Man City have only had 3 goals from defenders in the league this season. I think if you get to 9 from defence you have had a good season.
Is that like the "Young player of the year" ?As described on Pravda: "Jacob Ramsey has been recognised with the Premier League’s 2022/23 Academy Graduate Award. The Aston Villa midfielder was named as this year’s winner at the annual Premier League Youth Development Conference on Monday night.
Well, the team that wins the title has at least 83 according to the list you've given - 90 would win you the title about half the time - and 100 would win you the title in anything except a freak season. (Obvs it's done on points rather than goals, but there's only 2 instances where the side that wins the title isn't also the one that's scored the most goals ... and one of those there's literally 1 goal in it.
It can't be 'typical' to score that many goals across all positions in the team. Of course it depends on what formation you play too....
4-3-3 110 Goals (or 90 if you say the wide players are midfielders)
4-4-2 100 Goals
4-5-1 90 Goals
3-5-2 105 Goals
Goals for this season, for the Top 4.
93,83, 67, 52
Last
99, 94, 76, 69
then
83, 73, 68, 58
85, 102, 66, 69
95, 89, 63, 67
106, 68, 74, 84
85, 86, 80, 78
So it doesn't take that many goals to win the league. There are occasional stand-out seasons where a team scores a lot but even then, it probably didn't need that many to win it. I could produce the Goal Difference or Goals Against stats too, which of course will contextualise things. If you've a solid defence you don't need a load of goals.
In fairness all his competition are out on-loan. Would have been awks to give it to one of them due to JJ being under-whelming.
Is 23 still young enough to be in contention for YPotY?
I always thought 23 was the cut-off. After that you're mid-twenties which is not young by professional football standards.
I always thought 23 was the cut-off. After that you're mid-twenties which is not young by professional football standards.
It is, but from the start of the season. It's the same with the u21 tournaments, it's what age you are when the qualifying starts, so by the time the tournament comes around you've got 23 year olds playing.
It does mate, but the award is an absolute joke, it should be for emerging players not bloody seasoned players with 49 caps.
It does mate, but the award is an absolute joke, it should be for emerging players not bloody seasoned players with 49 caps.
He deserves the Young Player Of The Year award he's been brilliant this season.
With the U21's league, you used to still be able to play over-aged players. I don't think that's changed.
It does mate, but the award is an absolute joke, it should be for emerging players not bloody seasoned players with 49 caps.
I agree, I'd say the rules should be something like:
Under 23.
Less than 10 Premier League appearances per season previously
Over 20 appearances in the current season.
Last weekend Ramsey made his 100th appearance for Villa. He's hardly breaking through.
Last weekend Ramsey made his 100th appearance for Villa. He's hardly breaking through.
Who's said he was this season? 20/21 was his breakthrough season and last year was the season where he should've been considered for the young player awards. This year he's an established premier league player and shouldn't be included.
Last weekend Ramsey made his 100th appearance for Villa. He's hardly breaking through.
Who's said he was this season? 20/21 was his breakthrough season and last year was the season where he should've been considered for the young player awards. This year he's an established premier league player and shouldn't be included.
Erm, that was my point. Not everything is about you, Paul. ;)
It's amusing to see the uproar about the England squad. Tbh I wouldn't have picked Ramsey or Watkins either.
Philips is not in direct competition to Ramsey - he's been picked to play in a double pivot.
Maguire being included is a joke, but he's been picked as a left sided centre back who Southgate trusts. He's not in ahead of Konsa.
Just because Gallegher probably isn't good enough doesn't mean that Ramsey is (yet). I think Gibbs White has more reason to be disappointed tbh.
As for Watkins, the truth is when fit Wilson is a better striker. If Watkins can get back into the form he showed during his purple patch and sustain it, then of course the conversation changes. But as a Villa fan I've no confidence he can and I don't blame Southgate for thinking the same.
I'm in two minds. On the one hand, it's nice to have the record for number of internationals. On the other, if a Villa player's in the side I start caring about them doing well. No Villa players (who should obviously all be in the starting XI and filling the bench, including the non-English ones) at least means I can just watch for the football and not give a stuff about the result.I always think if our players aren't getting call ups playing for us they are more likely to want to move to a club where they will. It's a double-edged sword, but in the main I'm in favour of them getting called up.
Why is life so hard?
I'm in two minds. On the one hand, it's nice to have the record for number of internationals. On the other, if a Villa player's in the side I start caring about them doing well. No Villa players (who should obviously all be in the starting XI and filling the bench, including the non-English ones) at least means I can just watch for the football and not give a stuff about the result.I always think if our players aren't getting call ups playing for us they are more likely to want to move to a club where they will. It's a double-edged sword, but in the main I'm in favour of them getting called up.
Why is life so hard?
Southgate sticking to picking players that are playing for their clubs and in form then.
He really is a twat.
If Mings had been left out, I would been buying into the narrative a bit more. England U21's have the European Championships this summer and having Ramsey and Archer being key players in that tournament will do them better than if Ramsey was chucked on for a few minutes in a game that was already won.Good point
Mason, Gareth and Lampard are in a bizarre love triangle, it's the new order of things.
I'm in two minds. On the one hand, it's nice to have the record for number of internationals. On the other, if a Villa player's in the side I start caring about them doing well. No Villa players (who should obviously all be in the starting XI and filling the bench, including the non-English ones) at least means I can just watch for the football and not give a stuff about the result.I always think if our players aren't getting call ups playing for us they are more likely to want to move to a club where they will. It's a double-edged sword, but in the main I'm in favour of them getting called up.
Why is life so hard?
The trouble is then they are being tapped up by other clubs "teammates" or, more recently, being convinced to move clubs by the national manager.
Almost a hat trick of assists but also should have scored, although when the ball is rising from the floor bounce you have to react fast to get the foot higher.
I wasn’t convinced when he first came through, which is me as usual expecting too much of young kids, but he’s looking the real deal now.
I wasn’t convinced when he first came through, which is me as usual expecting too much of young kids, but he’s looking the real deal now.same....
He's gradually maturing into a brilliant player. Thank god we won otherwise I think that miss second half would have had a really detrimental effect on him.There is a confidence about him now which was not there before.
He's gradually maturing into a brilliant player. Thank god we won otherwise I think that miss second half would have had a really detrimental effect on him.There is a confidence about him now which was not there before.
He really compliments the other midfield players.
https://twitter.com/ThomasTParker/status/1662948664107573248?t=dz6BaE1Yp_d8f6zq_hijqw&s=19
"it's only conference"
It was very much a ‘fcuk you southgate’ performance.
https://twitter.com/ThomasTParker/status/1662948664107573248?t=dz6BaE1Yp_d8f6zq_hijqw&s=19
"it's only conference"
Haha, I don’t think he was being disrespectful, I think it’s the realisation that if this is how we turn out for the chance of Europe, imagine how massive it will get when we are challenging for a trophy.
He's gradually maturing into a brilliant player. Thank god we won otherwise I think that miss second half would have had a really detrimental effect on him.There is a confidence about him now which was not there before.
He really compliments the other midfield players.
And I'm sure they appreciate it.
I absolutely loved his second assist, racing onto that ball knowing you might get clattered by the Goalkeeper and having the presence of mind to touch it to your right for Watkins. Pure class.
If you look at his goal contributions he certainly is.
I think Grealish had 3 goals and 6 assists in the Championship at 22, compared with Ramsey’s 6 goals and 7 assists in the Prem.
Aaron is meant to be even better than Jacob isn't he?
Aaron is meant to be even better than Jacob isn't he?
Aaron is meant to be even better than Jacob isn't he?
That quote goes back to youth football. JJ's come on leaps and bounds since then. AJ looks a very good player with a lot of technical ability but there's now a big gulf in maturity between the two. AJ could become a top player in his own right but that quote needs to be left where it came from now.
Aaron is meant to be even better than Jacob isn't he?
That quote goes back to youth football. JJ's come on leaps and bounds since then. AJ looks a very good player with a lot of technical ability but there's now a big gulf in maturity between the two. AJ could become a top player in his own right but that quote needs to be left where it came from now.
I think they're very different players anyway from what I've seen so I'm not sure the comparisons are even useful if they were up-to-date. I suspect AJ would be more of a link player (Buendia) than JJ who has developed into a major ball carrier and goal threat.
I thought there was no way he was going to get to the ball before the Brighton defender yesterday but he had lightening speed over that last 5 yards to beat him and gather the ball before rolling it to Ollie. Absolutely superb.
Not sure about that. The limited times I’ve seen AJ (mainly for Boro) he seemed to occupy JJ’s inside left channel, so very similar imo.Are you saying he’s the dead ringer for his brother!
Aaron is meant to be even better than Jacob isn't he?
That quote goes back to youth football. JJ's come on leaps and bounds since then. AJ looks a very good player with a lot of technical ability but there's now a big gulf in maturity between the two. AJ could become a top player in his own right but that quote needs to be left where it came from now.
I think they're very different players anyway from what I've seen so I'm not sure the comparisons are even useful if they were up-to-date. I suspect AJ would be more of a link player (Buendia) than JJ who has developed into a major ball carrier and goal threat.
Not sure about that. The limited times I’ve seen AJ (mainly for Boro) he seemed to occupy JJ’s inside left channel, so very similar imo. For England AJ deployed as more a classic 10. The main difference is JJ seems to have the stamina to get back too.
AJ played in a similar role for Boro but what I saw his game was more about passing and picking gaps than running with the ball. All I'm really getting at is that I think they'd play well together rather than trying to do the same things in the same space. AJs England position is where I think he'll play long term.This is how I saw A. Ramsey. He was taking the ball in tight spaces & threading through lovely balls into space behind or to a team-mate. He also made a lot of late runs into the box to receive the ball & had some very good chances from doing that. Plus, he scored & assisted a load by doing all of the above. He did run with the ball, but it wasn't the same driving runs forward like J. Ramsey does. I think A. Ramsey is more of a natural 10 & could be the natural replacement for Buendia in the future. If he bulks up like J. Ramsey has, he could become a very very serious player.
Which one of his team mates calls him a twat?!
I’m sure there’s a clip of Smith welcoming the players back for preseason training and he goes up to Jacob Ramsey and grabs his biceps. That summer he filled out massively and became a bit of a monster compared to the wispy player in his first proper season. The extra pace and strength really added to his game.
I said on the match thread, he's better at 22 than Jack was.
Ramsey was and is superb. Streets ahead of where Grealish was at 21/22
If you look at his goal contributions he certainly is.
I think Grealish had 3 goals and 6 assists in the Championship at 22, compared with Ramsey’s 6 goals and 7 assists in the Prem.
7 assists not 6.Well my comparison is this season and Ramsey equals and betters Grealo
Also it's a difficult comparison because they're very different players who bring very different things to the team and 1 was 22 in a mid-table championship team being managed by a cabbage the other was 22 in a team that qualified for Europe being managed by one of the best managers in the world.
7 assists not 6.Well my comparison is this season and Ramsey equals and betters Grealo
Also it's a difficult comparison because they're very different players who bring very different things to the team and 1 was 22 in a mid-table championship team being managed by a cabbage the other was 22 in a team that qualified for Europe being managed by one of the best managers in the world.
7 assists not 6.Well my comparison is this season and Ramsey equals and betters Grealo
Also it's a difficult comparison because they're very different players who bring very different things to the team and 1 was 22 in a mid-table championship team being managed by a cabbage the other was 22 in a team that qualified for Europe being managed by one of the best managers in the world.
7 assists not 6.Well my comparison is this season and Ramsey equals and betters Grealo
Also it's a difficult comparison because they're very different players who bring very different things to the team and 1 was 22 in a mid-table championship team being managed by a cabbage the other was 22 in a team that qualified for Europe being managed by one of the best managers in the world.
no
Lovely goal for England under 21 by JacobBrilliant 1-2 return pass, drive into the box and clinical finish
The Brighton game is the benchmark for him now (glaring miss aside). If he's regularly hitting those levels, he'll be some player.
We may have scored plenty of goals against Malta and North McDonald's but I didn't see a single better player in the midfield areas than our Jacob. Playing Trent wotsit in their, is just further evidence that Southgate thinks he knows better than Klopp and Unai.
Would Aaron be involved if he wasn't injured or is he representing a younger age-group?
He’s so good. Maybe the most underrated English player at the moment. We have an elite talent on our hands and no one knows it!
Luiz, Kamara, Tielmans, Ramsey & McGinn
Getting on for 300m+ worth of talent. Not too shabby
He glides across the pitch, and moves with a devastating mix of speed and control with the ball at his feet. He's a totally modern footballer with the best manager in the world looking after him, I think he's going to have a massive season and we'll be talking about him as potentially the best player ever to wear the shirt in the future, never mind that Joe fella.
What's so good is that he reminds me of Bellingham in how he looks after, and handles, himself too, rather than our last big hope....
Starts this evening as Captain.
Starts this evening as Captain.
Starts this evening as Captain.
Starts this evening as Captain.so that's why Manchester City pulled out of the Declan Rice transfer, bigger fish to fry
Starts this evening as Captain.so that's why Manchester City pulled out of the Declan Rice transfer, bigger fish to fry
His assist for Archers goal was magnificent.
His assist for Archers goal was magnificent.
It certainly was, absolute beauty of a pass.
any links to the goals please?
His assist for Archers goal was magnificent.
It certainly was, absolute beauty of a pass.
Weaker foot as well, though it’s really hard to tell, he’s so good with either.
https://www.uefa.tv/video/vod/494610/?bucketExId=7Am-&lastSeen=0%3A494610§ion=U-21 (https://www.uefa.tv/video/vod/494610/?bucketExId=7Am-&lastSeen=0%3A494610§ion=U-21)2 fantastic goals. The first - great pass, great run; amazing finish. For the second, Cam's run drew at least one defender, and he was there for the potential keeper-error as well (obviously not required).
https://www.uefa.tv/video/vod/494610/?bucketExId=7Am-&lastSeen=0%3A494610§ion=U-21 (https://www.uefa.tv/video/vod/494610/?bucketExId=7Am-&lastSeen=0%3A494610§ion=U-21)
Agrredhttps://www.uefa.tv/video/vod/494610/?bucketExId=7Am-&lastSeen=0%3A494610§ion=U-21 (https://www.uefa.tv/video/vod/494610/?bucketExId=7Am-&lastSeen=0%3A494610§ion=U-21)2 fantastic goals. The first - great pass, great run; amazing finish. For the second, Cam's run drew at least one defender, and he was there for the potential keeper-error as well (obviously not required).
Looking on the bright side, the injury might be bad enough to require his immediate return home, but not bad enough to keep him from being ready for the new season, after a reasonable rest.
His run in the build up to the goal was excellent. England looked a much poorer side when he went off.
His run in the build up to the goal was excellent. England looked a much poorer side when he went off.
He contributed to the goal but that aside, for me, did little else. He wasn’t the only one but the ball wasn’t really coming to him in the first half.
His run in the build up to the goal was excellent. England looked a much poorer side when he went off.
He contributed to the goal but that aside, for me, did little else. He wasn’t the only one but the ball wasn’t really coming to him in the first half.
His run in the build up to the goal was excellent. England looked a much poorer side when he went off.
He contributed to the goal but that aside, for me, did little else. He wasn’t the only one but the ball wasn’t really coming to him in the first half.
Im not sure everyone was on their game tbh.
But when Smith-Rowe came on, there were fewer attacks from England & a lot more from Portugal.
I think the fact that he has the threat of running with the ball into dangerous areas, like for the goal, gave Portugal pause for thought.
When he went off, that potential threat went with him & Portugal became the stronger side attacking wise.
They still lost, but we were a poorer side shen J. Ramsey left the field.
FFS, few things piss me off in football more than Villa players getting injured in internationals.
He got his ankle stamped on by a little scrote. Not sure if that's the cause.
He got his ankle stamped on by a little scrote. Not sure if that's the cause.
Having watched it I'm guessing it is. That should have been a red card.
It's taken them two days to decide to send him home, so I'm hoping that means it's not too serious - i.e. they were deciding whether he could be fit for Saturday (the final if they get there), rather than an immediate flight home. If it looks like he's going to be out for at least a week, then there's no point him staying. I would imagine he's going to have a couple of weeks off now anyway, so hopefully he'll be back as planned for pre-season.
After the Portugal match, Carsley confirmed Ramsey was doubtful.
Speaking to the press, he said: "We'll assess Jacob tomorrow. We won't be taking any chances.
"If there's a chance of a player with injections, they won't be doing that. It's still development football. Jacob's in good hands. It's hard to tell. He's got a lot of numbness in his foot and ankle."
I could be wrong, I wasn't watching, following along on BBCs live text, but I think he played on for a while after the stamp happened? So hopefully that means it isn't an extremely serious one. EDIT - I am wrong, ignore that.
Quotes from Carsley after the match said they'd assess him but wouldn't be using injections to treat it. Said he was feeling a lot of numbness in his foot and ankle.
Do you ever get excited at all?
Do you ever get excited at all?
I'd go with Betty but I would be thinking of Wilma.
Always preferred Betty to WilmaI'd go with Betty but I would be thinking of Wilma.
This is an insane conversation. She'll never leave Fred and we know it.
I'd go with Betty but I would be thinking of Wilma.
This is an insane conversation. She'll never leave Fred and we know it.
Always preferred Betty to Wilma
Broken metatarsal, ten weeks out apparently.
Football Injuries That No Longer Seem To Exist.
A Cartilage injury.
Metatarsais.
Calf strains.
Broken metatarsal, ten weeks out apparently.
On the positive side I found this little piece on Wayne Rooney.Apparently, according to Ferguson, he wasn't fit and should never have played!
He was expecting to be immobile for 6-8 weeks, which I suppose lines up with playing again in 8-10 weeks.
Rooney made a fantastic recovery. CT scans confirmed that the fractures had healed and after just six weeks he returned to action, coming on as a sub in the World Cup match against Trinidad and Tobago.
How will this affect the four homegrown players rule for the Conference League?
On the positive side I found this little piece on Wayne Rooney.Apparently, according to Ferguson, he wasn't fit and should never have played!
He was expecting to be immobile for 6-8 weeks, which I suppose lines up with playing again in 8-10 weeks.
Rooney made a fantastic recovery. CT scans confirmed that the fractures had healed and after just six weeks he returned to action, coming on as a sub in the World Cup match against Trinidad and Tobago.
We know who to blame though. :(Football Injuries That No Longer Seem To Exist.
A Cartilage injury.
Metatarsais.
Calf strains.
Definitely could have done without him missing pre-season and games in Aug/Sept given our relatively tough start to the season
We know who to blame though. :(Football Injuries That No Longer Seem To Exist.
A Cartilage injury.
Metatarsais.
Calf strains.
Definitely could have done without him missing pre-season and games in Aug/Sept given our relatively tough start to the season
This is Villa though if the injury can be reignited we will oblige!
On the positive side I found this little piece on Wayne Rooney.Apparently, according to Ferguson, he wasn't fit and should never have played!
He was expecting to be immobile for 6-8 weeks, which I suppose lines up with playing again in 8-10 weeks.
Rooney made a fantastic recovery. CT scans confirmed that the fractures had healed and after just six weeks he returned to action, coming on as a sub in the World Cup match against Trinidad and Tobago.
On the positive side I found this little piece on Wayne Rooney.Apparently, according to Ferguson, he wasn't fit and should never have played!
He was expecting to be immobile for 6-8 weeks, which I suppose lines up with playing again in 8-10 weeks.
Rooney made a fantastic recovery. CT scans confirmed that the fractures had healed and after just six weeks he returned to action, coming on as a sub in the World Cup match against Trinidad and Tobago.
Didn’t realise that
That’s 10 Villa injury weeks, they are like dog years.
2025That’s 10 Villa injury weeks, they are like dog years.
He'll be like a new signing in the January transfer window.
Link doesn't seem to work, what did it say?It's the 'it's only the conference' comment on the bus before the last game.
Yeah, that's how I heard it too.same here
Then why was there a need for him to ask him to show some respect.
I'm not sure if there isn't a bit of a misunderstanding about that, to me it sounds more like 'imagine what it'll be like if we get top 4'.
I'm not sure if there isn't a bit of a misunderstanding about that, to me it sounds more like 'imagine what it'll be like if we get top 4'.
Which is what was reckoned at the time.
this was from ages ago. Why is this being discussed again?
Here he goes again. How about I didn’t follow the original thread because I was doing something else and only got sent that video yesterday? Holier than thou post again.
Application forms for moderator posts are available at www.redpen.co.uk Clamps as you seem to act as one more than others.
Application forms for moderator posts are available at www.redpen.co.uk Clamps as you seem to act as one more than others.
There is also www.penisland.net if need be.
Geoff Boycott and Jonathan 'Aggers' Agnew did a tour a few years ago. Try to work out the URL for that one.
There is also www.penisland.net if need be.
I remember there being one for Therapist dot com, which is less than ideal.
There is also www.penisland.net if need be.
I remember there being one for Therapist dot com, which is less than ideal.
Reminds me of one of my favourite Arrested Development gags, where Tobias claims he's reinventing therapy, by offering a service that is half analysis, half therapy, and his business card says "Analrapist"
Cheltenham Literary Festival had #clitfestHmmm, exciting! I bet it proved very stimulating.
"I couldn't find it."
"I couldn't find it."
excellent
He drove past me in the North Stand car park today. I can confirm that he has a big black car and a conventionally attractive girlfriend. More as I have it.
close to the big bush"I couldn't find it."
excellent
Just at the top of Fanny Hill.
"I couldn't find it."
excellent
Just at the top of Fanny Hill.
He drove past me in the North Stand car park today. I can confirm that he has a big black car and a conventionally attractive girlfriend. More as I have it.
Thank you Eastie
He's back on the grass!TFFT.
He's back on the grass!
I always think it's nice to hear players talk to people in a normal way, rather than in football-interview-speak. Also lovely to hear brummie accents. Looking forward to Jacob Ramsey being back on the pitch.
I always think it's nice to hear players talk to people in a normal way, rather than in football-interview-speak. Also lovely to hear brummie accents. Looking forward to Jacob Ramsey being back on the pitch.
He's back on the grass!
Made a real difference today. We were constantly defending first 10 minutes of second half with no outlet in sight. One drop of the JJ shoulder and a 30 yard carry changed all that . Keep up the good work.
Southgate is probably waiting for JJ to join a Big Club, then he will "see the improvement in his game" then he'll pick him.The longer he stays away from the England set up the better.
Tw*t!!
On TNT they said something along the line of "Southgate is of course a former Villa Captian, so he always gets a warm welcome when he cames to Villa Park"
Punditry is so bad
On TNT they said something along the line of "Southgate is of course a former Villa Captian, so he always gets a warm welcome when he cames to Villa Park"
Punditry is so bad
Ian Taylor's always really pleased to see him. Everybody else, not so much.
On TNT they said something along the line of "Southgate is of course a former Villa Captian, so he always gets a warm welcome when he cames to Villa Park"
Punditry is so bad
Ian Taylor's always really pleased to see him. Everybody else, not so much.
On TNT they said something along the line of "Southgate is of course a former Villa Captian, so he always gets a warm welcome when he cames to Villa Park"
Punditry is so bad
The boy was superb when he came on. He isFTFYgoing to besensational.
Jesus he's good. He's so good! That goal was laser-precise.
On TNT they said something along the line of "Southgate is of course a former Villa Captian, so he always gets a warm welcome when he cames to Villa Park"
Punditry is so bad
It is easy to forget how much we've missed having the mainstays of our left side, in Moreno and Ramsey, out injured for so long.Yes, I said to my mates yesterday that we have been without the 4 players from last season that perhaps encapsulated best the way that Emery wants us to play. In that context, we've done well so far this season and with Moreno back as well we will look even better.
On TNT they said something along the line of "Southgate is of course a former Villa Captian, so he always gets a warm welcome when he cames to Villa Park"
Punditry is so bad
Not that we don't miss Mings and Beundia but I think for a while people were overstating the importance of their absence.
Digne, I think, has done alright in Moreno's absence, but Ramsey missing in midfield we just didn't seem to be able to find a solution to.
Assuming he can stay fit now and play full games, it should help with juggling the European games too, as the likes of Bailey and Zaniolo might be used less in the league and start midweek. If we get some consistency with a second lineup we should do alright.
Not that we don't miss Mings and Beundia but I think for a while people were overstating the importance of their absence.
Digne, I think, has done alright in Moreno's absence, but Ramsey missing in midfield we just didn't seem to be able to find a solution to.
Assuming he can stay fit now and play full games, it should help with juggling the European games too, as the likes of Bailey and Zaniolo might be used less in the league and start midweek. If we get some consistency with a second lineup we should do alright.
I think Mings is extremely important to us, and it's possible we'd be doing even better with him in the team. Buendia, much less so.
Not that we don't miss Mings and Beundia but I think for a while people were overstating the importance of their absence.
Digne, I think, has done alright in Moreno's absence, but Ramsey missing in midfield we just didn't seem to be able to find a solution to.
Assuming he can stay fit now and play full games, it should help with juggling the European games too, as the likes of Bailey and Zaniolo might be used less in the league and start midweek. If we get some consistency with a second lineup we should do alright.
I think Mings is extremely important to us, and it's possible we'd be doing even better with him in the team. Buendia, much less so.
Ramsay AND Buendia missing just compounds it though.
Ramsay AND Buendia missing just compounds it though.
Very true. With everybody fit though, I think Buendia would be getting the same sort of game time as Tielemans at the moment, ie not much.
Ramsay AND Buendia missing just compounds it though.
Very true. With everybody fit though, I think Buendia would be getting the same sort of game time as Tielemans at the moment, ie not much.
What we have missed about Buendia is his dynamic pressing. That's why I think all 4 have been missed: they each added something really important in last season's revival.Not that we don't miss Mings and Beundia but I think for a while people were overstating the importance of their absence.I think Mings is extremely important to us, and it's possible we'd be doing even better with him in the team. Buendia, much less so.
Digne, I think, has done alright in Moreno's absence, but Ramsey missing in midfield we just didn't seem to be able to find a solution to.
Assuming he can stay fit now and play full games, it should help with juggling the European games too, as the likes of Bailey and Zaniolo might be used less in the league and start midweek. If we get some consistency with a second lineup we should do alright.
What we have missed about Buendia is his dynamic pressing. That's why I think all 4 have been missed: they each added something really important in last season's revival.Not that we don't miss Mings and Beundia but I think for a while people were overstating the importance of their absence.I think Mings is extremely important to us, and it's possible we'd be doing even better with him in the team. Buendia, much less so.
Digne, I think, has done alright in Moreno's absence, but Ramsey missing in midfield we just didn't seem to be able to find a solution to.
Assuming he can stay fit now and play full games, it should help with juggling the European games too, as the likes of Bailey and Zaniolo might be used less in the league and start midweek. If we get some consistency with a second lineup we should do alright.
Southgate is probably waiting for JJ to join a Big Club, then he will "see the improvement in his game" then he'll pick him.
Tw*t!!
It is easy to forget how much we've missed having the mainstays of our left side, in Moreno and Ramsey, out injured for so long.
Jesus he's good. He's so good! That goal was laser-precise.
And executed with an air of confidence that the ball was going exactly where he intended.
Jesus he's good. He's so good! That goal was laser-precise.
And executed with an air of confidence that the ball was going exactly where he intended.
Jesus he's good. He's so good! That goal was laser-precise.
And executed with an air of confidence that the ball was going exactly where he intended.
Before his injury I seen him as the boy Ramsey. He’s now very much the man. He’s what’s been missing and as big a player for us as Luiz currently is.
Ramsay AND Buendia missing just compounds it though.
Very true. With everybody fit though, I think Buendia would be getting the same sort of game time as Tielemans at the moment, ie not much.
A mate of mine, not a big Villa fan but mainly a football fan, is and has been for some time convinced that JJ is better than Grealish. Not just now that Grealish's worth is less than a year ago but from when they were both in the same team when Grealish was at his peak. Not too sure about the last bit but may have a point on where they both are now.
A mate of mine, not a big Villa fan but mainly a football fan, is and has been for some time convinced that JJ is better than Grealish. Not just now that Grealish's worth is less than a year ago but from when they were both in the same team when Grealish was at his peak. Not too sure about the last bit but may have a point on where they both are now.
Yep.
Guardiola has coached all the creativity & flair out of an exciting player & made him just another chess piece.
And he paid £100m for the privilege...
Genius?
My fucking arse...
Yep.
Guardiola has coached all the creativity & flair out of an exciting player & made him just another chess piece.
And he paid £100m for the privilege...
Genius?
My fucking arse...
They did win a treble only a few months back with Grealish being a key player so there is that. He is a genius, Guardiola that is, Grealish is an idiot.
Unfortunately Ramsey is exactly the kind of player they will be after in future. More to his game than the guy they signed from Wolves for starters.
They did win a treble only a few months back with Grealish being a key player so there is that. He is a genius, Guardiola that is, Grealish is an idiot.After watching Grealish decline, my guess would be that Ramsey would either stay with us or go somewhere he can flourish - all hypothetical, of course.
Unfortunately Ramsey is exactly the kind of player they will be after in future. More to his game than the guy they signed from Wolves for starters.
Yep.
Guardiola has coached all the creativity & flair out of an exciting player & made him just another chess piece.
And he paid £100m for the privilege...
Genius?
My fucking arse...
They did win a treble only a few months back with Grealish being a key player so there is that. He is a genius, Guardiola that is, Grealish is an idiot.
Unfortunately Ramsey is exactly the kind of player they will be after in future. More to his game than the guy they signed from Wolves for starters.
With the ability to spend £100m on a player they are going to make worse...
I take Man C championships with a touch of salt, as all are won by flat out cheating on ffp.
As Wenger phrased it years ago, its "financial doping".
Give Guardiola Macclesfield & their budget & see how his "genius" serves him then...
Injured again apparently, the same thing as before. Slightly worrying - good luck to him and the medical team.
Guardiola would do well at whatever level be coached
If he went to Macclesfield they would be as successful as they could for their level
In the end Guardiola ended up at Man City with their billions he also coached the top teams in Germany and Spain and was successful, they were top teams so that is always the stick to beat him with
In my view, if had gone to Arsenal, Chelsea Man United Liverpool, they would be where Man City are now
If he had gone to Villa Tottenham Newcastle they would be on their way there
Yeah, a rat bit into his shoe outside the old camera shop near the Bullring.
What's being rumoured?
What's being rumoured?
That he’s broken his foot again. Hopefully it’s horseshit.
If it's any consolation, I also refractured my metatarsal in the exact same place, and when I came back I was no worse as a player. :)
If it's any consolation, I also refractured my metatarsal in the exact same place, and when I came back I was no worse as a player. :)
How long did it take you to come back?
It’s a different metatarsal to the last ones.Who's reporting this
Last ones were 4/5. This is 3rd.
There was damage that wasn’t picked up ( ridiculously ).
Guestimate is out for 3-10 weeks depending on severity.
It’s a different metatarsal to the last ones.Who's reporting this
Last ones were 4/5. This is 3rd.
There was damage that wasn’t picked up ( ridiculously ).
Guestimate is out for 3-10 weeks depending on severity.
It’s a different metatarsal to the last ones.Who's reporting this
Last ones were 4/5. This is 3rd.
There was damage that wasn’t picked up ( ridiculously ).
Guestimate is out for 3-10 weeks depending on severity.
It hasn’t been reported yet.
The only saving Grace is the damage was not as severe as the original injury. So in theory he shouldn’t be out as long.
Equally, this is us we’re taking about 😞
Nah, finally found the quotes on Pravda. So weird BBC and ME didn't publish them on the actual presser news stories and only concentrated on the two others.
I never understand why clubs are serially coy on issuing information re injuries. Fans want to know about injury extent, predicted recovery time, progress, and with longer injuries even if players stick around the club or stay home (as in the case of Mings and Buendia). I don't get it.
Any time that a player doesn't recover from injury in the time frame that's immediately announced, or has any any kind of set back alerts the H&V tin foil hat crew like a dog whistle
I heard that aliens have been taking him away and doing experiments on him, the NHS were supposed to do it but are fully booked till 3010, please don't quote me on thisAny time that a player doesn't recover from injury in the time frame that's immediately announced, or has any any kind of set back alerts the H&V tin foil hat crew like a dog whistle
It's been amusing the last few days to see the Liverpool fans getting abuse for conspiracy theories when we've got a fair few of our own on regular rotation.
Any time that a player doesn't recover from injury in the time frame that's immediately announced, or has any any kind of set back alerts the H&V tin foil hat crew like a dog whistle
I never understand why clubs are serially coy on issuing information re injuries. Fans want to know about injury extent, predicted recovery time, progress, and with longer injuries even if players stick around the club or stay home (as in the case of Mings and Buendia). I don't get it.
In the case of our club they’d tell us if they could charge for it
Never stopped using it . We are on the cusp of signing Sasa CurcicI never understand why clubs are serially coy on issuing information re injuries. Fans want to know about injury extent, predicted recovery time, progress, and with longer injuries even if players stick around the club or stay home (as in the case of Mings and Buendia). I don't get it.
In the case of our club they’d tell us if they could charge for it
Bring back clubcall
I never understand why clubs are serially coy on issuing information re injuries. Fans want to know about injury extent, predicted recovery time, progress, and with longer injuries even if players stick around the club or stay home (as in the case of Mings and Buendia). I don't get it.
In the case of our club they’d tell us if they could charge for it
Bring back clubcall
I never understand why clubs are serially coy on issuing information re injuries. Fans want to know about injury extent, predicted recovery time, progress, and with longer injuries even if players stick around the club or stay home (as in the case of Mings and Buendia). I don't get it.
In the case of our club they’d tell us if they could charge for it
Bring back clubcall
Bring back Aaron Ramsey.
I never understand why clubs are serially coy on issuing information re injuries. Fans want to know about injury extent, predicted recovery time, progress, and with longer injuries even if players stick around the club or stay home (as in the case of Mings and Buendia). I don't get it.
In the case of our club they’d tell us if they could charge for it
Bring back clubcall
Bring back Aaron Ramsey.
He's injured too.
I never understand why clubs are serially coy on issuing information re injuries. Fans want to know about injury extent, predicted recovery time, progress, and with longer injuries even if players stick around the club or stay home (as in the case of Mings and Buendia). I don't get it.
In the case of our club they’d tell us if they could charge for it
Bring back clubcall
Bring back Aaron Ramsey.
He's injured too.
Gordon Ramsey?
I never understand why clubs are serially coy on issuing information re injuries. Fans want to know about injury extent, predicted recovery time, progress, and with longer injuries even if players stick around the club or stay home (as in the case of Mings and Buendia). I don't get it.
In the case of our club they’d tell us if they could charge for it
Bring back clubcall
Bring back Aaron Ramsey.
He's injured too.
Gordon Ramsey?
He's a f**king injured sandwich.
I hope he’s ok, if true what a nightmare for the lad and of course the team. He’s some player and we’ve missed him enormously. Absolutely gutting.
Boosted by Bailey? Fucking hell.
Bailey has been pretty effective when he's played under Emery.
Boosted by Bailey? Fucking hell.
Well, we've lost three players from Saturday so to have one back is a kind of boost I suppose and he's usually ok at home.
Here's a conspiracy theory for you. Southgate was going to call him up to the England squad but Emery didn't wants him to have the international break off, so he's on the injured list until the squad is announced and he's back in for Wolves.
Here's a conspiracy theory for you. Southgate was going to call him up to the England squad but Emery didn't wants him to have the international break off, so he's on the injured list until the squad is announced and he's back in for Wolves.
I'd love that to be the case. I think it's far more likely that the bones in his foot all now resemble a bag of Nik Naks that have been run over by an HGV though.
I wonder if he was brought back a little too early.
This is all down to international football.
That little Portuguese shit who broke Ramseys foot didn't even get a yellow & our club suffers for months...
Here's a conspiracy theory for you. Southgate was going to call him up to the England squad but Emery didn't wants him to have the international break off, so he's on the injured list until the squad is announced and he's back in for Wolves.
I'd love that to be the case. I think it's far more likely that the bones in his foot all now resemble a bag of Nik Naks that have been run over by an HGV though.
Also pretty sure that if he were fine, then Ramsey himself probably wouldn't want his first England call-up to be nixed for no good reason.
Here's a conspiracy theory for you. Southgate was going to call him up to the England squad but Emery didn't wants him to have the international break off, so he's on the injured list until the squad is announced and he's back in for Wolves.
I'd love that to be the case. I think it's far more likely that the bones in his foot all now resemble a bag of Nik Naks that have been run over by an HGV though.
Also pretty sure that if he were fine, then Ramsey himself probably wouldn't want his first England call-up to be nixed for no good reason.
I was working on the theory that he wasn't going to play for England, but have to do the extra training for nothing, and also he and Emery are in cahoots on the whole thing.
I wonder if he was brought back a little too early.
This is all down to international football.
That little Portuguese shit who broke Ramseys foot didn't even get a yellow & our club suffers for months...
Without knowing exactly what the problem is now it's impossible to call but if it's a different injury then it could be that he's come back when there's still some pain or uncertainty and it's affected his stride which puts pressure on different parts of his foot and has created a new problem. This happens all the time and why you often see people get little niggles when they come back from a bigger injury. I think this is most likely and hopefully it'll only be a couple of weeks out.
If he's reopened the existing break then, as someone said above, that's more likely to be a freak accident, especially at that level I'd be amazed if there weren't x-rays/scans done throughout the injury to make sure it was recovering as expected and he'll only have been allowed back when it was looking good.
Here's a conspiracy theory for you. Southgate was going to call him up to the England squad but Emery didn't wants him to have the international break off, so he's on the injured list until the squad is announced and he's back in for Wolves.
I'd love that to be the case. I think it's far more likely that the bones in his foot all now resemble a bag of Nik Naks that have been run over by an HGV though.
Also pretty sure that if he were fine, then Ramsey himself probably wouldn't want his first England call-up to be nixed for no good reason.
I was working on the theory that he wasn't going to play for England, but have to do the extra training for nothing, and also he and Emery are in cahoots on the whole thing.
I'm still pretty confident that if he'd been told that he'd been selected for the England senior squad for the first time, he'd be pretty excited and want to go.
Here's a conspiracy theory for you. Southgate was going to call him up to the England squad but Emery didn't wants him to have the international break off, so he's on the injured list until the squad is announced and he's back in for Wolves.
I'd love that to be the case. I think it's far more likely that the bones in his foot all now resemble a bag of Nik Naks that have been run over by an HGV though.
Also pretty sure that if he were fine, then Ramsey himself probably wouldn't want his first England call-up to be nixed for no good reason.
I was working on the theory that he wasn't going to play for England, but have to do the extra training for nothing, and also he and Emery are in cahoots on the whole thing.
I'm still pretty confident that if he'd been told that he'd been selected for the England senior squad for the first time, he'd be pretty excited and want to go.
I'm pretty confident you're taking it a bit too seriously.
I wonder if he was brought back a little too early.
This is all down to international football.
That little Portuguese shit who broke Ramseys foot didn't even get a yellow & our club suffers for months...
Without knowing exactly what the problem is now it's impossible to call but if it's a different injury then it could be that he's come back when there's still some pain or uncertainty and it's affected his stride which puts pressure on different parts of his foot and has created a new problem. This happens all the time and why you often see people get little niggles when they come back from a bigger injury. I think this is most likely and hopefully it'll only be a couple of weeks out.
If he's reopened the existing break then, as someone said above, that's more likely to be a freak accident, especially at that level I'd be amazed if there weren't x-rays/scans done throughout the injury to make sure it was recovering as expected and he'll only have been allowed back when it was looking good.
Fair point.
I suppose its best to wait for all the available details.
Hopefully, its not too serious.
With him missing, I think it has proven what a key element he is to our way of playing.
Which means that I think we need to be looking at a solid, dependable & similar style footballer to be his backup when we next look at the transfer window.
Same with Moreno.
I wonder if he was brought back a little too early.
This is all down to international football.
That little Portuguese shit who broke Ramseys foot didn't even get a yellow & our club suffers for months...
Without knowing exactly what the problem is now it's impossible to call but if it's a different injury then it could be that he's come back when there's still some pain or uncertainty and it's affected his stride which puts pressure on different parts of his foot and has created a new problem. This happens all the time and why you often see people get little niggles when they come back from a bigger injury. I think this is most likely and hopefully it'll only be a couple of weeks out.
If he's reopened the existing break then, as someone said above, that's more likely to be a freak accident, especially at that level I'd be amazed if there weren't x-rays/scans done throughout the injury to make sure it was recovering as expected and he'll only have been allowed back when it was looking good.
Fair point.
I suppose its best to wait for all the available details.
Hopefully, its not too serious.
With him missing, I think it has proven what a key element he is to our way of playing.
Which means that I think we need to be looking at a solid, dependable & similar style footballer to be his backup when we next look at the transfer window.
Same with Moreno.
I think Zaniolo can fill a similar role.
I wonder if he was brought back a little too early.
This is all down to international football.
That little Portuguese shit who broke Ramseys foot didn't even get a yellow & our club suffers for months...
Without knowing exactly what the problem is now it's impossible to call but if it's a different injury then it could be that he's come back when there's still some pain or uncertainty and it's affected his stride which puts pressure on different parts of his foot and has created a new problem. This happens all the time and why you often see people get little niggles when they come back from a bigger injury. I think this is most likely and hopefully it'll only be a couple of weeks out.
If he's reopened the existing break then, as someone said above, that's more likely to be a freak accident, especially at that level I'd be amazed if there weren't x-rays/scans done throughout the injury to make sure it was recovering as expected and he'll only have been allowed back when it was looking good.
Fair point.
I suppose its best to wait for all the available details.
Hopefully, its not too serious.
With him missing, I think it has proven what a key element he is to our way of playing.
Which means that I think we need to be looking at a solid, dependable & similar style footballer to be his backup when we next look at the transfer window.
Same with Moreno.
I think Zaniolo can fill a similar role.
No chance, Ramsey is in a different league in terms of athleticism and presence. Also puts Emery under a bit of pressure to put McGinn back on the left side against better teams to give Digne more support. Didn't work against Liverpool, mind.
We have no cover for McGinn or Ramsey in that box midfield setup. Both perform their roles perfectly. The difference Ramsey made when he came on v Brighton was ridiculous.
He lost the ball nearly every time he received it against Brighton. Undoubted talent but still looks way off the pace.
I bet he's available for Sunday and you lot are going to look like a bunch of lilly-livered pants wetters.
I have more chance in being in the squad for Sunday than he doesI bet he's available for Sunday and you lot are going to look like a bunch of lilly-livered pants wetters.
Hopefully... 😁
I reckon Zaniolo needs to get a goal under his belt.
Seems like the sort of player that once that's done, he'll relax a bit and just play.
I reckon Zaniolo needs to get a goal under his belt.
Seems like the sort of player that once that's done, he'll relax a bit and just play.
Totally agree, you can see it in him.
I reckon he'll score a massive shitpinger and it'll be great from there.
I wonder if he was brought back a little too early.
This is all down to international football.
That little Portuguese shit who broke Ramseys foot didn't even get a yellow & our club suffers for months...
Without knowing exactly what the problem is now it's impossible to call but if it's a different injury then it could be that he's come back when there's still some pain or uncertainty and it's affected his stride which puts pressure on different parts of his foot and has created a new problem. This happens all the time and why you often see people get little niggles when they come back from a bigger injury. I think this is most likely and hopefully it'll only be a couple of weeks out.
If he's reopened the existing break then, as someone said above, that's more likely to be a freak accident, especially at that level I'd be amazed if there weren't x-rays/scans done throughout the injury to make sure it was recovering as expected and he'll only have been allowed back when it was looking good.
Fair point.
I suppose its best to wait for all the available details.
Hopefully, its not too serious.
With him missing, I think it has proven what a key element he is to our way of playing.
Which means that I think we need to be looking at a solid, dependable & similar style footballer to be his backup when we next look at the transfer window.
Same with Moreno.
I think Zaniolo can fill a similar role.
No chance, Ramsey is in a different league in terms of athleticism and presence. Also puts Emery under a bit of pressure to put McGinn back on the left side against better teams to give Digne more support. Didn't work against Liverpool, mind.
We have no cover for McGinn or Ramsey in that box midfield setup. Both perform their roles perfectly. The difference Ramsey made when he came on v Brighton was ridiculous.
Oh for fucking bollocking sake. If that's another ten weeks, that's a third player who's going to miss a big chunk of the season, and I think Ramsey is almost as important to us in an attacking sense as Mings is defensively. I hope that Monchi is getting ready to go all guns blazing in the January transfer window because whining about January not being the best time isn't going to cut it any more.
That doesn't sound like a recurrance, as in another "break", but more he's aggravated it. I don't see how he would have stayed on to the end of the game against Bright if he's actually broken it again.
That doesn't sound like a recurrance, as in another "break", but more he's aggravated it. I don't see how he would have stayed on to the end of the game against Bright if he's actually broken it again.
I could be wrong but didn't he stay on the pitch for a bit in the England game after he hurt it the first time?
Although I do think what Emery said does make it sound like it might not be another break, just a problem with the area.
That doesn't sound like a recurrance, as in another "break", but more he's aggravated it. I don't see how he would have stayed on to the end of the game against Bright if he's actually broken it again.
I could be wrong but didn't he stay on the pitch for a bit in the England game after he hurt it the first time?
Although I do think what Emery said does make it sound like it might not be another break, just a problem with the area.
He did.
Cant remember exactly how long for but it was over 5 mins...
Always bemuses me when a broken metatarsal gets referred to as a broken foot.
Always bemuses me when a broken metatarsal gets referred to as a broken foot.
It's not unusual with a broken foot, many people only realise how bad it is when they try to pivot on the foot and get a stab of pain.
But I couldn't tell you the names of most of the bones in my body...
It's not unusual with a broken foot, many people only realise how bad it is when they try to pivot on the foot and get a stab of pain.
Yes, when I did mine, I finished the game and went to the doctor the next day.
It's not unusual with a broken foot, many people only realise how bad it is when they try to pivot on the foot and get a stab of pain.
Yes, when I did mine, I finished the game and went to the doctor the next day.
Yep, same here, I thought I'd just sprained it (mine was only partial fracture though and was fine after about 4 weeks).
But I couldn't tell you the names of most of the bones in my body...
Always bemuses me when a broken metatarsal gets referred to as a broken foot.
It's just easier and most people understand it better, same with arm and leg really.
That doesn't sound like a recurrance, as in another "break", but more he's aggravated it. I don't see how he would have stayed on to the end of the game against Bright if he's actually broken it again.
I'm hoping it's just a case of coming back a bit too soon, and another couple of weeks on the sidelines. If it's a full break, then someone on the medical staff needs a bollocking, he shouldn't be playing if it's not sufficiently healed.
That doesn't sound like a recurrance, as in another "break", but more he's aggravated it. I don't see how he would have stayed on to the end of the game against Bright if he's actually broken it again.
I could be wrong but didn't he stay on the pitch for a bit in the England game after he hurt it the first time?
Although I do think what Emery said does make it sound like it might not be another break, just a problem with the area.
Shit shirts and now shit boots. How about our players wearing some that can withstand an opposing player's weight from causing damage, like the ones worn in the mid 90s for instance.
They wouldn't have let him come back into full training if there was any doubt it wasn't fully healed, so in my mind the chances that it is broken again are pretty slim. Residual pain or swelling or other side-effects, sure.
Shit shirts and now shit boots. How about our players wearing some that can withstand an opposing player's weight from causing damage, like the ones worn in the mid 90s for instance.
I wonder what type of boots he wears.
Some of the brands have lovely made, quality boots.
But then they have ranges that are basically made from faerie dust & hope.
Usually the ones they class as their "speed" range...
When I played I liked the Mercurial Vapors (Nike) purely because of how they looked but they were wafer thin.
Best boots for me are/were Predators. The early 00s ones anyway. No idea if they're still as sturdy and comfortable as they used to be.
Puma Kings are beautiful boots aesthetically, as well as how solid they are as an actual football boot.
Puma are a vastly underrated brand in my humble opinion...
Puma Kings are beautiful boots aesthetically, as well as how solid they are as an actual football boot.
Puma are a vastly underrated brand in my humble opinion...
Everyone seem to want an Adidas kit, but I would really like a Puma one. They’ve done some great kits
Puma Kings are beautiful boots aesthetically, as well as how solid they are as an actual football boot.
Puma are a vastly underrated brand in my humble opinion...
Everyone seem to want an Adidas kit, but I would really like a Puma one. They’ve done some great kits
Who takes the heart from a stag?
Who gets a hard-on with blood on their hands?
Who takes the heart from a stag?
Who gets a hard-on with blood on their hands?
SHAFT!
Watching the England game yesterday, I couldn't help think how JJ has got to get himself fit again and get into that team. Him and Bellingham could be quite scary for opposition teams.
Has there been a further update on his latest injury or are we waiting for Emery's conference on Friday?
Don't think we'll see him on the pitch before 2024.
Emery won't say anything about when he back, he doesn't usually. It's not supposed to be as bad as the one in the summer. My guess is end of November when the games start looking trickier.
Has there been a further update on his latest injury or are we waiting for Emery's conference on Friday?
Don't think we'll see him on the pitch before 2024.
I think the mafia might have taken him out so the matches we play won't be such easy calls.
Emery won't say anything about when he back, he doesn't usually. It's not supposed to be as bad as the one in the summer. My guess is end of November when the games start looking trickier.
I heard he's out for about three, maybe four weeks...
quote me...
I'm angry about this. He's going to miss half our fucking season.
I know it's just unfortunate but still.
Hurry back JJ :(
Emery won't say anything about when he back, he doesn't usually. It's not supposed to be as bad as the one in the summer. My guess is end of November when the games start looking trickier.
I heard he's out for about three, maybe four weeks.
Not sure how reliable the info is though, so don't quote me...
Back on the bench tonight. I am just speculating.
Back on the bench tonight. I am just speculating. By the way I read yesterday that Van Der Ven was spotted in full training gear yesterday for Tottenham despite being shot in the hamstring on Monday night.
Jacob Ramsey has returned to training before Spurs on Sunday.
He made his first appearance of the season in September, until he re-aggravated the injury from the summer after just three appearances.
Emery has said:
“I am very happy. Some players who were injured are coming back and are training with the team and the squad. Jacob Ramsey we were one month ago ready with him but he had again a small injury. Of course, we will need him.”
One month ago? It’s two, Unai.
Jacob Ramsey has returned to training before Spurs on Sunday.
He made his first appearance of the season in September, until he re-aggravated the injury from the summer after just three appearances.
Emery has said:
“I am very happy. Some players who were injured are coming back and are training with the team and the squad. Jacob Ramsey we were one month ago ready with him but he had again a small injury. Of course, we will need him.”
Great news and hopefully he can now remain injury free and recover his form from last season.
One month ago? It’s two, Unai.
What a bastard for getting that minor detail wrong.
One month ago? It’s two, Unai.
What a bastard for getting that minor detail wrong.
When I fall out with someone on here and don’t want to get into a cycle of tit-for-tat, I let inconsequential stuff like that go. Otherwise it looks like I’m posting merely to wind someone up.
Jacob Ramsey has returned to training before Spurs on Sunday.
He made his first appearance of the season in September, until he re-aggravated the injury from the summer after just three appearances.
Emery has said:
“I am very happy. Some players who were injured are coming back and are training with the team and the squad. Jacob Ramsey we were one month ago ready with him but he had again a small injury. Of course, we will need him.”
Great news and hopefully he can now remain injury free and recover his form from last season.
His form didn't look a problem in his sub appearances against Chelsea and Brighton. Looked like the player that finished last season.
One month ago? It’s two, Unai.
What a bastard for getting that minor detail wrong.
When I fall out with someone on here and don’t want to get into a cycle of tit-for-tat, I let inconsequential stuff like that go. Otherwise it looks like I’m posting merely to wind someone up.
Point taken. Some people are just not worth it.
One month ago? It’s two, Unai.
What a bastard for getting that minor detail wrong.
When I fall out with someone on here and don’t want to get into a cycle of tit-for-tat, I let inconsequential stuff like that go. Otherwise it looks like I’m posting merely to wind someone up.
Point taken. Some people are just not worth it.
Last season was his break-out season, surely? This season, if fit, you would have expected him to maintain that form and get an England call-up which will probably still happen.
One month ago? It’s two, Unai.
What a bastard for getting that minor detail wrong.
When I fall out with someone on here and don’t want to get into a cycle of tit-for-tat, I let inconsequential stuff like that go. Otherwise it looks like I’m posting merely to wind someone up.
Point taken. Some people are just not worth it.
What is the point in a post like this?
Just looks like pointlessly manufacturing an argument over absolutely nothing.
… pointlessly manufacturing an argument over absolutely nothing.
Quote… pointlessly manufacturing an argument over absolutely nothing.
This appears to be 90% the reason for H&V’s continued existence. 😂
Back in the squad but when do we think he'll back in the team? We really will look so much more balanced when he's back, McGinn on the right, JJ on the left, and then we've got Tielemans who can fit in wherever.
Back in the squad but when do we think he'll back in the team? We really will look so much more balanced when he's back, McGinn on the right, JJ on the left, and then we've got Tielemans who can fit in wherever.
I would be surprised if he didn't get a proper run out against Legia. Either a start and 60 mins, or coming just after HT. He's clearly fit to play, so now it's just about getting minutes in his legs. It would be nice if he'd could get a decent 90 minutes or more across the next two games so he's match-fit for City and Arsenal games. I think his running with the ball ability might be crucial in those games - he's really the only player we have who can carry the ball at pace through the middle.
I can't imagine he would throw Ramsey on in a game where were 2-1 up, away from home, while the home side is chasing an equaliser, if he wasn't 100% sure he was ready to play? Fully match-fit, almost certainly not, but injury-free and able to play at 100% for the limited time he was on, I think so.
I wonder what he thinks about his brother moving on. It looked very much like we signed Chukwuemeka's useless brother just to keep him happy, but were happy to see Ramsey junior sold on.
I wonder what he thinks about his brother moving on. It looked very much like we signed Chukwuemeka's useless brother just to keep him happy, but were happy to see Ramsey junior sold on.
Do we still have Chuk the Elder or has he been shipped out permanently? I can't remember.
I wonder what he thinks about his brother moving on. It looked very much like we signed Chukwuemeka's useless brother just to keep him happy, but were happy to see Ramsey junior sold on.
Do we still have Chuk the Elder or has he been shipped out permanently? I can't remember.
Technically on loan at Crawley Town, but seemingly one of those obligation-to-buy type ones.
I'm not sure about his attitude.
Really?!
I see the ragbag Birmingham Live are linking JJ with Arsenal, plus Dougie! I think we'll finish above the Arse so to speak. They're good at bottling the business end of the season.....
I thought a year or so ago that in the fullness of time we’d be building our side around JJ. Now I’m not so sure. I appreciate he’s on the recovery from injury path but to me he appears to have lost his sparkle.
He is certainly not 100% himself on the field, but tonight he looked a lot better than in recent games, so hopefully he can get back to himself fairly soon.
I'm not sure about his attitude.
It sounds like we might have to sell.
Spurs have the Harold Kane money.
Need to raise funds by the end of June?
Need to raise funds by the end of June?
Our accounting period always ends on May 31st.
Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.
Is this another Ornstein exclusive from The Athletic
Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.
Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.
Ramsey is home grown so would be better for accounts being a youth player, and also is not as key to our team as he is nothing like he was last season before the (international duty) injury.
Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.
I'm not sure. I would have agreed with you at the start of the season, but I think Luiz is more integral to Emery's way of playing now.
Boro rejected £7.5 plus add ons for Rogers. Does strike me as a bit odd that Azaz was allowed to go there for £2.5m and we are being held to the for four Rogers. Not the best planning or negotiation.
Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.
I'm not sure. I would have agreed with you at the start of the season, but I think Luiz is more integral to Emery's way of playing now.
He'd probably bring in close to double what Ramsey would though (hypothetical release-clauses for DL notwithstanding).
Although I agree that if we had to lose one of them, we'd choose Ramsey.
Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.
Ramsey is home grown so would be better for accounts being a youth player, and also is not as key to our team as he is nothing like he was last season before the (international duty) injury.
Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.
I'm not sure. I would have agreed with you at the start of the season, but I think Luiz is more integral to Emery's way of playing now.
He'd probably bring in close to double what Ramsey would though (hypothetical release-clauses for DL notwithstanding).
Although I agree that if we had to lose one of them, we'd choose Ramsey.
Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.
I'm not sure. I would have agreed with you at the start of the season, but I think Luiz is more integral to Emery's way of playing now.
He'd probably bring in close to double what Ramsey would though (hypothetical release-clauses for DL notwithstanding).
Although I agree that if we had to lose one of them, we'd choose Ramsey.
When we’re having conversations like this it’s a wonder why we’re even bothering.
Manager being forced to sell the best players to try and get a team together. I’d trust Unai to have a crack at it, but it must be a temptation to leave when the big opportunity happens.
Luiz would go before Ramsey if we were desperate for cash.
I'm not sure. I would have agreed with you at the start of the season, but I think Luiz is more integral to Emery's way of playing now.
He'd probably bring in close to double what Ramsey would though (hypothetical release-clauses for DL notwithstanding).
Although I agree that if we had to lose one of them, we'd choose Ramsey.
When we’re having conversations like this it’s a wonder why we’re even bothering.
David Ornstein reporting that Newcastle, Bayern and Spurs are interested in signing Ramsey but he'll probably be too expensive for any of them.
So probably not really news.
Ornstein is without doubt one of the best journalists out there. He is far from a lazy journalist and I'd venture you don't know much about him if you think that.David Ornstein reporting that Newcastle, Bayern and Spurs are interested in signing Ramsey but he'll probably be too expensive for any of them.
So probably not really news.
Ornstein's a London based rumour monger.
With the transfer window closing, lazy journos start trying to make DFP calculations and from that conjure transfer deals out of fresh air.
In the same article in The Athletic he mentioned Jhon Duran, Connor Gallagher and half of the Chelsea squad plus a few others names.
The only journos I pay any attention to are John Percy and Fab.
it's The Athletic, enough saidDavid Ornstein reporting that Newcastle, Bayern and Spurs are interested in signing Ramsey but he'll probably be too expensive for any of them.
So probably not really news.
Ornstein's a London based rumour monger.
With the transfer window closing, lazy journos start trying to make DFP calculations and from that conjure transfer deals out of fresh air.
In the same article in The Athletic he mentioned Jhon Duran, Connor Gallagher and half of the Chelsea squad plus a few others names.
The only journos I pay any attention to are John Percy and Fab.
Ornstein is a very good journalist with Percy levels of trustworthiness, writing for the athletic, which is an extremely well regarded publication and far from a pedlar of rubbish.
Ornstein is a very good journalist with Percy levels of trustworthiness, writing for the athletic, which is an extremely well regarded publication and far from a pedlar of rubbish.Exactly. And a far wider network of contacts because of it.
Ornstein is a very good journalist with Percy levels of trustworthiness, writing for the athletic, which is an extremely well regarded publication and far from a pedlar of rubbish.Exactly. And a far wider network of contacts because of it.
Not if he's right he hasn't.Ornstein is a very good journalist with Percy levels of trustworthiness, writing for the athletic, which is an extremely well regarded publication and far from a pedlar of rubbish.Exactly. And a far wider network of contacts because of it.
I agree, but he’s blotted his copybook on this one.
He’s also said Newcastle “are interested” in him
Much the same way I am “interested in” Margot Robbie.
Not if he's right he hasn't.Ornstein is a very good journalist with Percy levels of trustworthiness, writing for the athletic, which is an extremely well regarded publication and far from a pedlar of rubbish.Exactly. And a far wider network of contacts because of it.
I agree, but he’s blotted his copybook on this one.
Not if he's right he hasn't.Ornstein is a very good journalist with Percy levels of trustworthiness, writing for the athletic, which is an extremely well regarded publication and far from a pedlar of rubbish.Exactly. And a far wider network of contacts because of it.
I agree, but he’s blotted his copybook on this one.
“That’s incorrect” - Eddie Howe.
Ornstein isn't even the journalist that covers us for the Athletic.
Not if he's right he hasn't.Ornstein is a very good journalist with Percy levels of trustworthiness, writing for the athletic, which is an extremely well regarded publication and far from a pedlar of rubbish.Exactly. And a far wider network of contacts because of it.
I agree, but he’s blotted his copybook on this one.
“That’s incorrect” - Eddie Howe.
Eddie Howe has shown he can dissemble like an actor.
Ornstein isn't even the journalist that covers us for the Athletic.
No, but he does lead on their transfer stuff.
Well, I suppose we’ll see if a club who have admitted they have to sell to buy will slap in a big bid for a player who plays in the same position as Gordon and Barnes by Thursday. Personally I doubt it, especially after seeing their manager flatly deny it at his press conference.
I really like Ramsey, but I'd probably do the deal at 50m. We've achieved this season without him and would do wonders for FFP (where the rules need changing, so that homegrown players aren't sacrificed at the altar).
I'm sure there is interest, he's a good player with a high ceiling.This is the most likely explanation.At the time of the Luiz 'rumours',Emery said that it was important to keep our best players.
Perhaps his agent wants a new deal.
Well, I suppose we’ll see if a club who have admitted they have to sell to buy will slap in a big bid for a player who plays in the same position as Gordon and Barnes by Thursday. Personally I doubt it, especially after seeing their manager flatly deny it at his press conference when asked directly about that player.
Ornstein isn't even the journalist that covers us for the Athletic.
No, but he does lead on their transfer stuff.
Yeah, it's like saying Fabrizio Romano isn't a Villa specialist. Ornstein is a transfers guy, and I'd believe 100 stories he puts out before I believe one thing Eddie Howe says.
I really like Ramsey, but I'd probably do the deal at 50m. We've achieved this season without him and would do wonders for FFP (where the rules need changing, so that homegrown players aren't sacrificed at the altar).
It is worth remembering that Ramsey is the only player in the squad that counts as club-trained for UEFA competitions.
Ornstein isn't even the journalist that covers us for the Athletic.
No, but he does lead on their transfer stuff.
Yeah, it's like saying Fabrizio Romano isn't a Villa specialist. Ornstein is a transfers guy, and I'd believe 100 stories he puts out before I believe one thing Eddie Howe says.
He also said Matt Targett is injured, which is true.
Now give me your hundred transfer rumours that Ornstein got right.
Ornstein isn't even the journalist that covers us for the Athletic.
No, but he does lead on their transfer stuff.
Yeah, it's like saying Fabrizio Romano isn't a Villa specialist. Ornstein is a transfers guy, and I'd believe 100 stories he puts out before I believe one thing Eddie Howe says.
He also said Matt Targett is injured, which is true.
Now give me your hundred transfer rumours that Ornstein got right.
You'd be surprised Perce. Along with Fabrizio he's probably the most reliable journalist there is on PL transfers. But I agree, for the reasons you mention Ramsey to Newcastle seems incredibly unlikely.Ornstein isn't even the journalist that covers us for the Athletic.
No, but he does lead on their transfer stuff.
Yeah, it's like saying Fabrizio Romano isn't a Villa specialist. Ornstein is a transfers guy, and I'd believe 100 stories he puts out before I believe one thing Eddie Howe says.
He also said Matt Targett is injured, which is true.
Now give me your hundred transfer rumours that Ornstein got right.
Ornstein isn't even the journalist that covers us for the Athletic.
No, but he does lead on their transfer stuff.
Yeah, it's like saying Fabrizio Romano isn't a Villa specialist. Ornstein is a transfers guy, and I'd believe 100 stories he puts out before I believe one thing Eddie Howe says.
He also said Matt Targett is injured, which is true.
Now give me your hundred transfer rumours that Ornstein got right.
Tbf, he's only said that Newcastle made an enquiry. Presumably we laughed, told them we'd see them tomorrow night and put the phone down on them.
You'd be surprised Perce. Along with Fabrizio he's probably the most reliable journalist there is on PL transfers. But I agree, for the reasons you mention Ramsey to Newcastle seems incredibly unlikely.Ornstein isn't even the journalist that covers us for the Athletic.
No, but he does lead on their transfer stuff.
Yeah, it's like saying Fabrizio Romano isn't a Villa specialist. Ornstein is a transfers guy, and I'd believe 100 stories he puts out before I believe one thing Eddie Howe says.
He also said Matt Targett is injured, which is true.
Now give me your hundred transfer rumours that Ornstein got right.
Ornstein isn't even the journalist that covers us for the Athletic.
No, but he does lead on their transfer stuff.
Yeah, it's like saying Fabrizio Romano isn't a Villa specialist. Ornstein is a transfers guy, and I'd believe 100 stories he puts out before I believe one thing Eddie Howe says.
He also said Matt Targett is injured, which is true.
Now give me your hundred transfer rumours that Ornstein got right.
Tbf, he's only said that Newcastle made an enquiry. Presumably we laughed, told them we'd see them tomorrow night and put the phone down on them.
https://x.com/skysportspl/status/1751923978883493924?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
Utter load of tosh. "Raise funds by June" in which case he means Thursday cause window doesnt reopen until July!
Also - same Newcastle who couldnt even afford a loan for Kalvin Phillips..............
Ornstein isn't even the journalist that covers us for the Athletic.
No, but he does lead on their transfer stuff.
Yeah, it's like saying Fabrizio Romano isn't a Villa specialist. Ornstein is a transfers guy, and I'd believe 100 stories he puts out before I believe one thing Eddie Howe says.
He also said Matt Targett is injured, which is true.
Now give me your hundred transfer rumours that Ornstein got right.
Tbf, he's only said that Newcastle made an enquiry. Presumably we laughed, told them we'd see them tomorrow night and put the phone down on them.
https://x.com/skysportspl/status/1751923978883493924?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWA
I've seen five year olds lie more convincingly.
so the NUFC manager clearly shuts this one down . Move along
christ yeah how did i not spot that . the way he says "That's incorrect" . He looks shiftyso the NUFC manager clearly shuts this one down . Move along
He’s lying apparently.
christ yeah how did i not spot that . the way he says "That's incorrect" . He looks shiftyso the NUFC manager clearly shuts this one down . Move along
He’s lying apparently.
I don't think for a second he's going to Newcastle. I think it's likely they asked and we laughed and that's it.
I don't think for a second he's going to Newcastle. I think it's likely they asked and we laughed and that's it.
See to me, the most unlikely part is FFP-stricken Newcastle making an offer. Our track record on academy players makes me think we’d consider it if it were true.
Newcastle and Villa are competing with each other. Both have hit the FFP ceiling and are trying to keep improving while complying.Because at £50m over 5 years Ramsey would be a good player for them and by selling Almiron they would have been up on FFP.
Why would one help the other with their FFP while negatively impacting their own?
Newcastle and Villa are competing with each other. Both have hit the FFP ceiling and are trying to keep improving while complying.
Why would one help the other with their FFP while negatively impacting their own?
Newcastle and Villa are competing with each other. Both have hit the FFP ceiling and are trying to keep improving while complying.Because at £50m over 5 years Ramsey would be a good player for them and by selling Almiron they would have been up on FFP.
Why would one help the other with their FFP while negatively impacting their own?
Either way, it's clearly not happening and I agree with Percy that Howe's press conference is unequivocal.
someone needs to spend at least £50m on Almiron before they can even consider Ramsey. All in the next 48 hours .It does amuse me how offended some of our fans get when journalists or pundits say things that we don't like. Ornstein's credibility is beyond question, whether he's right in this particular instance or not. The truth is you'd only ever find out if the transaction happens and even when there is interest from all sides, there are many reasons why a deal may not ultimately be agreed or complete.
This is where Ornstein and The Athletic tie themselves up in knots and lose further credibility. they are no better than scrolling through X
on Almiron, David Ornstein in The Athletic has highlighted this unity, quoting Howe saying, “his priority for this window is just to keep hold of his players.”
A quick glance at a Newcastle forum, their reaction seems to collectively be "if Villa were willing to even entertain selling Ramsey to us then they must think his recurring injury is going to f*** him long term".
A couple of them also suggested that they wouldn't trust Howe's denials on the subject. Looks like he has form for denying interest in players only for them to rock up in Newcastle shortly afterwards.
Which amused me given the last couple of dozen posts on here.
when it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchnesssomeone needs to spend at least £50m on Almiron before they can even consider Ramsey. All in the next 48 hours .It does amuse me how offended some of our fans get when journalists or pundits say things that we don't like. Ornstein's credibility is beyond question, whether he's right in this particular instance or not. The truth is you'd only ever find out if the transaction happens and even when there is interest from all sides, there are many reasons why a deal may not ultimately be agreed or complete.
This is where Ornstein and The Athletic tie themselves up in knots and lose further credibility. they are no better than scrolling through X
on Almiron, David Ornstein in The Athletic has highlighted this unity, quoting Howe saying, “his priority for this window is just to keep hold of his players.”
The Athletic have a policy that they will only ever report stuff if they have two separate sources saying the same thing. Jacob Tanswell explained how that can be frustrating and they have lost scoops because of this.
Newcastle and Villa are competing with each other. Both have hit the FFP ceiling and are trying to keep improving while complying.
Why would one help the other with their FFP while negatively impacting their own?
I don’t think we’ve hit the FFP ceiling.
£99.5m loss (2020) drops out of our 3-year FFP cycle this year, leaving us with £37m loss (2021) and £400k profit (2022), leaving us headroom for an allowable £70m loss in the next (2023) accounts. Given turnover has gone up £38m, we should be nowhere near that.
Calling Risso to the thread.
when it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchnesssomeone needs to spend at least £50m on Almiron before they can even consider Ramsey. All in the next 48 hours .It does amuse me how offended some of our fans get when journalists or pundits say things that we don't like. Ornstein's credibility is beyond question, whether he's right in this particular instance or not. The truth is you'd only ever find out if the transaction happens and even when there is interest from all sides, there are many reasons why a deal may not ultimately be agreed or complete.
This is where Ornstein and The Athletic tie themselves up in knots and lose further credibility. they are no better than scrolling through X
on Almiron, David Ornstein in The Athletic has highlighted this unity, quoting Howe saying, “his priority for this window is just to keep hold of his players.”
The Athletic have a policy that they will only ever report stuff if they have two separate sources saying the same thing. Jacob Tanswell explained how that can be frustrating and they have lost scoops because of this.
when it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchness
when it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchness
Didn't Percy post that the Daily Mail is the most accurate newspaper?
*when it comes to transfer speculation/gossip.
when it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchness
Didn't Percy post that the Daily Mail is the most accurate newspaper?
*when it comes to transfer speculation/gossip.
No idea but it's not true, they're actually pretty near the bottom - https://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/sources/newspapers (https://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/sources/newspapers)
I can assure you that Sports Insider's 'SportsPeteO' and David Ornstein are not much of a muchnesswhen it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchnesssomeone needs to spend at least £50m on Almiron before they can even consider Ramsey. All in the next 48 hours .It does amuse me how offended some of our fans get when journalists or pundits say things that we don't like. Ornstein's credibility is beyond question, whether he's right in this particular instance or not. The truth is you'd only ever find out if the transaction happens and even when there is interest from all sides, there are many reasons why a deal may not ultimately be agreed or complete.
This is where Ornstein and The Athletic tie themselves up in knots and lose further credibility. they are no better than scrolling through X
on Almiron, David Ornstein in The Athletic has highlighted this unity, quoting Howe saying, “his priority for this window is just to keep hold of his players.”
The Athletic have a policy that they will only ever report stuff if they have two separate sources saying the same thing. Jacob Tanswell explained how that can be frustrating and they have lost scoops because of this.
Collomosse seems pretty clued up.Yeah, he's decent.
someone needs to spend at least £50m on Almiron before they can even consider Ramsey. All in the next 48 hours .It does amuse me how offended some of our fans get when journalists or pundits say things that we don't like. Ornstein's credibility is beyond question, whether he's right in this particular instance or not. The truth is you'd only ever find out if the transaction happens and even when there is interest from all sides, there are many reasons why a deal may not ultimately be agreed or complete.
This is where Ornstein and The Athletic tie themselves up in knots and lose further credibility. they are no better than scrolling through X
on Almiron, David Ornstein in The Athletic has highlighted this unity, quoting Howe saying, “his priority for this window is just to keep hold of his players.”
The Athletic have a policy that they will only ever report stuff if they have two separate sources saying the same thing. Jacob Tanswell explained how that can be frustrating and they have lost scoops because of this.
All this, and Villa just happening to be playing Newcastle tomorrow night. Who'd have thought it.
when it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchness
Didn't Percy post that the Daily Mail is the most accurate newspaper?
*when it comes to transfer speculation/gossip.
No idea but it's not true, they're actually pretty near the bottom - https://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/sources/newspapers (https://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/sources/newspapers)
I vaguely remember that there was survey done years ago to work out the most accurate papers for transfers. The Daily Heil won with 4% of their stories coming true and that’s a paper that employs real journalists, well, sort of. I repeat - they were the most accurate.
Think about that footy.
Blimey that transfer show on Sky Sports News 3 , it's basically twitter with volumesomeone needs to spend at least £50m on Almiron before they can even consider Ramsey. All in the next 48 hours .It does amuse me how offended some of our fans get when journalists or pundits say things that we don't like. Ornstein's credibility is beyond question, whether he's right in this particular instance or not. The truth is you'd only ever find out if the transaction happens and even when there is interest from all sides, there are many reasons why a deal may not ultimately be agreed or complete.
This is where Ornstein and The Athletic tie themselves up in knots and lose further credibility. they are no better than scrolling through X
on Almiron, David Ornstein in The Athletic has highlighted this unity, quoting Howe saying, “his priority for this window is just to keep hold of his players.”
The Athletic have a policy that they will only ever report stuff if they have two separate sources saying the same thing. Jacob Tanswell explained how that can be frustrating and they have lost scoops because of this.
Same policy as Sky Sports News then, according to Dan Bardell*.
*He’s a Villa podcaster who sometimes works for Sky.
This window has, for me, shown that any positives FFP brings are massively outweighed by a whole range of problems. Tying player wages and fees to commercial income sounds sensible if you don't dig into the details but as soon as you put any thought into it all the problems we see were inevitable from the outset.
Hang on, there are THREE Sky Sports News channels?!
Hang on, there are THREE Sky Sports News channels?!
Nah, it's just Tim and his obsession with the number 3.
Three Sky Sports News. Three usernames: Cooper's Injury, Silhillvilla and VillaTim.
Collomosse seems pretty clued up.Yeah, he's decent.
Hang on, there are THREE Sky Sports News channels?!
Nah, it's just Tim and his obsession with the number 3.
Three Sky Sports News. Three usernames: Cooper's Injury, Silhillvilla and VillaTim.
Hang on, there are THREE Sky Sports News channels?!my error its the unforgettable channel that is SSN2
As hard as it is to accept, it's something we'll need to get used to.
It's purely Sky building transfer stories or else they've have nothing to report, based on the balancing of FFP by selling home grown players of which we have very few left of value. Nothing in it.
I had a feeling that Ramsay might have been sold for FFP reasons during the last window but the injury with England put a stop to that.
The injury has really paused his progress this season.
Providing he has a good 2nd half of the season & we get his true value, I wouldn't be surprised if he does go this summer. As hard as it is to accept, it's something we'll need to get used to.
The time to worry is when absolutely nobody is interested in any of your players, a situation we've endured far too often over the years.
I had a feeling that Ramsay might have been sold for FFP reasons during the last window but the injury with England put a stop to that.
The injury has really paused his progress this season.
Providing he has a good 2nd half of the season & we get his true value, I wouldn't be surprised if he does go this summer. As hard as it is to accept, it's something we'll need to get used to.
If he can get back to the form he was showing last season, then he wouldn't be one I would consider selling at all. No-one has really been able to properly fill that void that has been left since his injury and I think we would find it easier to replace players in other positions to be honest.
Conspiracy theory time, but it just seems a bit suspicious that these FFP issues suddenly seem to have become a major issue at a time when it looks like they are a couple of clubs who could now challenge the established order.
I had a feeling that Ramsay might have been sold for FFP reasons during the last window but the injury with England put a stop to that.
The injury has really paused his progress this season.
Providing he has a good 2nd half of the season & we get his true value, I wouldn't be surprised if he does go this summer. As hard as it is to accept, it's something we'll need to get used to.
If he can get back to the form he was showing last season, then he wouldn't be one I would consider selling at all. No-one has really been able to properly fill that void that has been left since his injury and I think we would find it easier to replace players in other positions to be honest.
Conspiracy theory time, but it just seems a bit suspicious that these FFP issues suddenly seem to have become a major issue at a time when it looks like there are a couple of clubs who could now challenge the established order.
I don't think it's conspiracy.
Its reality...
Ha, I seem to remember saying that at least four times in the past decade.
Ha, I seem to remember saying that at least four times in the past decade.
I know! Same here. But, and I don’t know why, I just can’t see him playing elsewhere.
Dismissed by Howe. Dismissed by SUE.
We will end up building a statue to Grealish for the "FFP headroom" he created for us alone. Surely our club and the chasing pack are pointing out the glaring consequences of FFP to the authorities? Incentivise academy farms and players running down their contracts. We are chasing a CL spot after years in the wilderness, primarily due to the exceptional coaching of Emery and coming under pressure to sell Ramsey. It beggars belief really.True. But the alternative is Man City part 2. I think it's more realistic to catch the likes of Man U, Arsenal and Liverpool with superb coaching, player trading and increasing our commercial success than it would be to compete with 2 oil state-owned clubs without FFP.
I'm for any rules that strongly favour us and disadvantage all of our rivals. I would like to push for rules that reflect that state of affairs. Financial Fair Play for You; Not us.
We will end up building a statue to Grealish for the "FFP headroom" he created for us alone. Surely our club and the chasing pack are pointing out the glaring consequences of FFP to the authorities? Incentivise academy farms and players running down their contracts. We are chasing a CL spot after years in the wilderness, primarily due to the exceptional coaching of Emery and coming under pressure to sell Ramsey. It beggars belief really.True. But the alternative is Man City part 2. I think it's more realistic to catch the likes of Man U, Arsenal and Liverpool with superb coaching, player trading and increasing our commercial success than it would be to compete with 2 oil state-owned clubs without FFP.
We will end up building a statue to Grealish for the "FFP headroom" he created for us alone. Surely our club and the chasing pack are pointing out the glaring consequences of FFP to the authorities? Incentivise academy farms and players running down their contracts. We are chasing a CL spot after years in the wilderness, primarily due to the exceptional coaching of Emery and coming under pressure to sell Ramsey. It beggars belief really.True. But the alternative is Man City part 2. I think it's more realistic to catch the likes of Man U, Arsenal and Liverpool with superb coaching, player trading and increasing our commercial success than it would be to compete with 2 oil state-owned clubs without FFP.
Yeah, people might not enjoy what's happening but imagine saying to Newcastle "spend what you like". It doesn't matter how rich our owners are, we cannot compete with states. Eitherway it isn't "fair" but not much is.
That it's not accounting for inflation makes it nonsensical.
When did the £105m amount come into play? Back on inflation surely it should be lifted to reflect the market. For example Grealish went for £100m - then Rice went for £105m who is not even an attacking midfielder.
Somebody on twitter said clubs are allowed to lose £5m a year, but owners are allowed to put in £90m in share capital, and that’s where the £105m comes from.
Can’t be right can it?
This is Jacob Tanswell in The Athletic today. Wonder if he's had a word with David Ornstein?does the left hand know what the right hand's doing
Tanswell is the journo who covers Villa for The Athletic.
ASTON VILLA BOSS UNAI EMERY INSISTS HE WANTS JACOB RAMSEY TO STAY AMIDST TRANSFER INTEREST
Aston Villa head coach Unai Emery says he “100 per cent” wants to keep midfielder Jacob Ramsey after recent interest in the midfielder.
The Athletic exclusively reported on Monday that Newcastle United had made an approach, while Tottenham Hotspur and Bayern Munich were also interested.
Ramsey, 22, is an academy graduate and a sale — in the region of £50million — would ease fears over complying with profitability and sustainability regulations (PSR) before the end of the financial year on June 30.
“Jacob Ramsey is a very important player,” said Emery. “He grew up here in the academy. His progression is clear and getting better. I want to keep him here with us.
“Teams maybe involved in the possibility to sign him, because he has big potential with Aston Villa and England, 100 per cent.”
Meanwhile, Emery says he hopes to bring players in, with Villa remaining interested in Middlesbrough forward Morgan Rogers.
“Tomorrow we are playing against Newcastle. That’s the most important than the transfer window. My focus is completely tomorrow Newcastle.
“But the club is working for some players who can leave and if we can add one or two players.”
This is Jacob Tanswell in The Athletic today. Wonder if he's had a word with David Ornstein?does the left hand know what the right hand's doing
Tanswell is the journo who covers Villa for The Athletic.
ASTON VILLA BOSS UNAI EMERY INSISTS HE WANTS JACOB RAMSEY TO STAY AMIDST TRANSFER INTEREST
Aston Villa head coach Unai Emery says he “100 per cent” wants to keep midfielder Jacob Ramsey after recent interest in the midfielder.
The Athletic exclusively reported on Monday that Newcastle United had made an approach, while Tottenham Hotspur and Bayern Munich were also interested.
Ramsey, 22, is an academy graduate and a sale — in the region of £50million — would ease fears over complying with profitability and sustainability regulations (PSR) before the end of the financial year on June 30.
“Jacob Ramsey is a very important player,” said Emery. “He grew up here in the academy. His progression is clear and getting better. I want to keep him here with us.
“Teams maybe involved in the possibility to sign him, because he has big potential with Aston Villa and England, 100 per cent.”
Meanwhile, Emery says he hopes to bring players in, with Villa remaining interested in Middlesbrough forward Morgan Rogers.
“Tomorrow we are playing against Newcastle. That’s the most important than the transfer window. My focus is completely tomorrow Newcastle.
“But the club is working for some players who can leave and if we can add one or two players.”
does the left hand know what the right hand's doing
No, that's too complex. Let's make it simple so it works with no loopholes, exception should be confined to any club located in B6. And I say any club not just Villa to stop wailing of unfairness.I'm for any rules that strongly favour us and disadvantage all of our rivals. I would like to push for rules that reflect that state of affairs. Financial Fair Play for You; Not us.
Yes, maybe an exception for clubs that were original founder members of the league that are not moving to new stadiums and don't smell of pork scratchings and foundries.
Something like that?
It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.Well it is and it's not. It's the only added value other than ticket and merchandise sales a football club as a business creates. All businesses flourish on creating added value. Having said that regulators need to clamp down on fictitious, artificially high non market worth sponsorship deal some clubs are getting away with.
Somebody on twitter said clubs are allowed to lose £5m a year, but owners are allowed to put in £90m in share capital, and that’s where the £105m comes from.
Can’t be right can it?
Yeah, that's about right. If all their borrowing was from banks, etc it would be £15m
It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.We cant celebrate a goal when its scored, now we cant enjoy our own making long term careers with us.
It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.We cant celebrate a goal when its scored, now we cant enjoy our own making long term careers with us.
It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.We cant celebrate a goal when its scored, now we cant enjoy our own making long term careers with us.
Yep. Pretty shit state of affairs.
The alternative is worse. Much worse. The brakes had to be put on clubs being backed by the wealth of oil rich nations hoovering up every available trophy.It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.We cant celebrate a goal when its scored, now we cant enjoy our own making long term careers with us.
It’s a pretty shit state of affairs FFP has created where clubs are incentivised to sell academy players who have been nurtured for years, probably fans of the club itself, one of the few remaining romantic aspects to the game, just to meet some arbitrary financial metric.
Somebody on twitter said clubs are allowed to lose £5m a year, but owners are allowed to put in £90m in share capital, and that’s where the £105m comes from.
Can’t be right can it?
Yeah, that's about right. If all their borrowing was from banks, etc it would be £15m
Indeed. This is sensible as it stops clubs racking up debts to fund losses and risk the owners walking away. You can lose £5m p.a max but this can increase by £30m p.a. with owner equity input (i.e. not debt) so £35m p.a. in total. This is measured over a 3 year rolling period so £105m p.a. in total.
As Everton found out if you have a really bad year, it will take 3 years for this to flow through. For what its worth I agree the limits should increase with inflation/similar but that should be the owners equity amounts.
Somebody on twitter said clubs are allowed to lose £5m a year, but owners are allowed to put in £90m in share capital, and that’s where the £105m comes from.
Can’t be right can it?
Yeah, that's about right. If all their borrowing was from banks, etc it would be £15m
Indeed. This is sensible as it stops clubs racking up debts to fund losses and risk the owners walking away. You can lose £5m p.a max but this can increase by £30m p.a. with owner equity input (i.e. not debt) so £35m p.a. in total. This is measured over a 3 year rolling period so £105m p.a. in total.
As Everton found out if you have a really bad year, it will take 3 years for this to flow through. For what its worth I agree the limits should increase with inflation/similar but that should be the owners equity amounts.
I read somewhere recently that the average transfer in the Premier League is now 50% higher than it was when the FFP numbers were set. So I guess it does make sense that £105m figure should probably be brought more in line with where finances are today. But that would really only benefit clubs with wealthy owners (like us), which I'm sure isn't the intention of the FFP rules in the first place.
Thought the game bypassed JJ again a lot last night when he came on.
But now teams have hit the FFP ceiling you would expect transfer values to contract.Somebody on twitter said clubs are allowed to lose £5m a year, but owners are allowed to put in £90m in share capital, and that’s where the £105m comes from.
Can’t be right can it?
Yeah, that's about right. If all their borrowing was from banks, etc it would be £15m
Indeed. This is sensible as it stops clubs racking up debts to fund losses and risk the owners walking away. You can lose £5m p.a max but this can increase by £30m p.a. with owner equity input (i.e. not debt) so £35m p.a. in total. This is measured over a 3 year rolling period so £105m p.a. in total.
As Everton found out if you have a really bad year, it will take 3 years for this to flow through. For what its worth I agree the limits should increase with inflation/similar but that should be the owners equity amounts.
I read somewhere recently that the average transfer in the Premier League is now 50% higher than it was when the FFP numbers were set. So I guess it does make sense that £105m figure should probably be brought more in line with where finances are today. But that would really only benefit clubs with wealthy owners (like us), which I'm sure isn't the intention of the FFP rules in the first place.
There was one little shimmy and run against Chelsea that made me think he might be back. Ramsey on form is a match-winner for us, I hope he can take the shackles off now from the injury.nice assist for the Diaby goal too. Green shoots of recovery ??
Anonymous again. Season looking like a total write off for him.
miles off ? he's recovering after a bad injury. He looked sharper on Weds. bit by bit he's getting there
miles off ? he's recovering after a bad injury. He looked sharper on Weds. bit by bit he's getting there
Yep, miles off. He's been awful in just about every game since he came back.
He's been pretty much entirely anonymous. For the position he plays in I'd class that as pretty awful.miles off ? he's recovering after a bad injury. He looked sharper on Weds. bit by bit he's getting there
Yep, miles off. He's been awful in just about every game since he came back.
I don't think he's been "awful", he's been very average. I just think he's suffering from the comparison to his exceptionally high levels at the end of last season, which he's not yet got back to. He's also come back into the side in a period when we're just not clicking like we were earlier in the season. It might just be he's one of those players that needs matches to get his proper match sharpness back. Some players can come in and perform almost immediately after injury, but it looks like he's not one of them, unfortunately.
I still think he'll come good this season.
errrr he came on and got an assist on Wednesday . yeah really awfulmiles off ? he's recovering after a bad injury. He looked sharper on Weds. bit by bit he's getting there
Yep, miles off. He's been awful in just about every game since he came back.
errrr he came on and got an assist on Wednesday . yeah really awfulmiles off ? he's recovering after a bad injury. He looked sharper on Weds. bit by bit he's getting there
Yep, miles off. He's been awful in just about every game since he came back.
average . Not awful.errrr he came on and got an assist on Wednesday . yeah really awfulmiles off ? he's recovering after a bad injury. He looked sharper on Weds. bit by bit he's getting there
Yep, miles off. He's been awful in just about every game since he came back.
Great. How has he done in all of the games before that?
Like Moreno they missed the whole of pre-season and recovering from injury and we have not seen anything like the form they showed last season. Both of them were brilliant on the left hand side for us and added another attacking dimension to our play.
We really could do with those two back on form quickly, hopefully Sunday.
Like Moreno they missed the whole of pre-season and recovering from injury and we have not seen anything like the form they showed last season. Both of them were brilliant on the left hand side for us and added another attacking dimension to our play.
We really could do with those two back on form quickly, hopefully Sunday.
The bit around pre-season always bugs me a bit. I fully get it puts them behind the curve, and in JJ’s case he got injured again which further hampers progress, but I feel like there’s got to be a way of bridging the gap by this stage so that a lack of preseason isn’t a significant hindrance.
I think the kid deserves a bit of patience.
Saying that i hope he steps up on Sunday
I think back to the Brighton game when he came on, looked like he’d never been away and did the business. That second injury or reoccurrence, has really set him back.I think the kid deserves a bit of patience.
Saying that i hope he steps up on Sunday
Of course he does. He's a great lad with a high ceiling. He hasn't performed this season to anything like his capabilities though. I also hope he does on Sunday, with a trade mark goal from the edge of the area.
Like Moreno they missed the whole of pre-season and recovering from injury and we have not seen anything like the form they showed last season. Both of them were brilliant on the left hand side for us and added another attacking dimension to our play.
We really could do with those two back on form quickly, hopefully Sunday.
The bit around pre-season always bugs me a bit. I fully get it puts them behind the curve, and in JJ’s case he got injured again which further hampers progress, but I feel like there’s got to be a way of bridging the gap by this stage so that a lack of preseason isn’t a significant hindrance.
By the time you've played half a dozen games, a pre-season or not shouldn't make much difference. If you've trained daily and played in competitive Premier League games, how is that worse than some low intensity rubbish against Walsall with half a team of kids who you're never going to play with again?
Real positive signs today that JJ is getting back to his best. The crucial finish and final touch didn’t quite happen for him, but his driving runs with and without the ball were fantastic at times.
Some lovely link up play with Moreno in the first half too, reminiscent of the back end of last season, he constantly arrived late in the box which is a quality only the best attacking midfielders possess.
Very encouraging performance overall, if he keeps playing like that the goals will come, hopefully a few crucial ones for us in the run in.
Real positive signs today that JJ is getting back to his best. The crucial finish and final touch didn’t quite happen for him, but his driving runs with and without the ball were fantastic at times.
Some lovely link up play with Moreno in the first half too, reminiscent of the back end of last season, he constantly arrived late in the box which is a quality only the best attacking midfielders possess.
Very encouraging performance overall, if he keeps playing like that the goals will come, hopefully a few crucial ones for us in the run in.
Yep, really good game today and he looks likes he’s getting up to speed and hopefully finish the season strong.Real positive signs today that JJ is getting back to his best. The crucial finish and final touch didn’t quite happen for him, but his driving runs with and without the ball were fantastic at times.
Some lovely link up play with Moreno in the first half too, reminiscent of the back end of last season, he constantly arrived late in the box which is a quality only the best attacking midfielders possess.
Very encouraging performance overall, if he keeps playing like that the goals will come, hopefully a few crucial ones for us in the run in.
Agreed.
All very well but he did not deliver with the final pass or finish.
All very well but he did not deliver with the final pass or finish.
I was rather astonished to see his performance described as poor in the post match thread, I thought he played really, rally well in nearly all aspects, apart from the most important. He just didn't seem to take the ball into his stride quickly enough.
Very promising.
I was rather astonished to see his performance described as poor in the post match thread, I thought he played really, rally well in nearly all aspects, apart from the most important. He just didn't seem to take the ball into his stride quickly enough.
Very promising.
His fitness looked back to where it needed to be, and his running with the ball was very promising as you say. Just needs to work on his sharpness and decision making now, and he'll be back to the Ramsey we all know and love.
He makes such a difference to the way we play by breaking through the lines.
He's absolutely the last player we should ever consider cashing in on.
I was rather astonished to see his performance described as poor in the post match thread, I thought he played really, rally well in nearly all aspects, apart from the most important. He just didn't seem to take the ball into his stride quickly enough.
Very promising.
His fitness looked back to where it needed to be, and his running with the ball was very promising as you say. Just needs to work on his sharpness and decision making now, and he'll be back to the Ramsey we all know and love.
I'm not sure who was more gutted at his missed opportunities, him or us.
Bailey's reaction when Ramsey couldn't latch on to that brilliant ball in the box was something I've not seen before, Bailey was absolutely gutted that such a pass wasn't capitalised on.
I was rather astonished to see his performance described as poor in the post match thread, I thought he played really, rally well in nearly all aspects, apart from the most important. He just didn't seem to take the ball into his stride quickly enough.
Very promising.
His fitness looked back to where it needed to be, and his running with the ball was very promising as you say. Just needs to work on his sharpness and decision making now, and he'll be back to the Ramsey we all know and love.
I'm not sure who was more gutted at his missed opportunities, him or us.
Bailey's reaction when Ramsey couldn't latch on to that brilliant ball in the box was something I've not seen before, Bailey was absolutely gutted that such a pass wasn't capitalised on.
I was rather astonished to see his performance described as poor in the post match thread, I thought he played really, rally well in nearly all aspects, apart from the most important. He just didn't seem to take the ball into his stride quickly enough.
Very promising.
His fitness looked back to where it needed to be, and his running with the ball was very promising as you say. Just needs to work on his sharpness and decision making now, and he'll be back to the Ramsey we all know and love.
I'm not sure who was more gutted at his missed opportunities, him or us.
Bailey's reaction when Ramsey couldn't latch on to that brilliant ball in the box was something I've not seen before, Bailey was absolutely gutted that such a pass wasn't capitalised on.
I'm not one for insane conspiracy theories, and this isn't one of them, but we changed some of the medical team at the start of the season, and we've had a series of players getting injured, coming back, not being ready and then getting injured again.
Any injury on his injury yet. Will just be his and our luck to be a re occurance of the fracture
I'm not one for insane conspiracy theories, and this isn't one of them, but we changed some of the medical team at the start of the season, and we've had a series of players getting injured, coming back, not being ready and then getting injured again.
I'm not one for insane conspiracy theories, and this isn't one of them, but we changed some of the medical team at the start of the season, and we've had a series of players getting injured, coming back, not being ready and then getting injured again.
I'm not one for insane conspiracy theories, and this isn't one of them, but we changed some of the medical team at the start of the season, and we've had a series of players getting injured, coming back, not being ready and then getting injured again.
Thats a good point - it certainly happened in 1980/81 - no one wanted to miss a game
There might be something in it. It's also no coincidence that as we're on the up players want to be part of it by declaring they're 100% over their injury when they're only 85% or less.
I'm not one for insane conspiracy theories, and this isn't one of them, but we changed some of the medical team at the start of the season, and we've had a series of players getting injured, coming back, not being ready and then getting injured again.
I'm pretty sure we started the season with the usual medical team but the changes were made after a couple of months. I even wondered at the time if the decision was influenced by what happened with Ramsey's premature return the first time around.
There might be something in it. It's also no coincidence that as we're on the up players want to be part of it by declaring they're 100% over their injury when they're only 85% or less.
Are we thinking of another Ramsey - Hacob? That is the one that Unai refers to on interviews.
We dont have any other option to replace him in our setup. Tielemans, Zaniolo and Rogers dont have the athleticism, McGinn struggles there (and we cant afford to move him anyway). I dont think Moreno is an option there really either ahead of Digne. So we are struggling to put it mildly, especially if Ramsey is out for a while again. For Ajax, Id try Bailey over on the left as he can put a shift in and the further away from Diaby he is the better.
We dont have any other option to replace him in our setup. Tielemans, Zaniolo and Rogers dont have the athleticism, McGinn struggles there (and we cant afford to move him anyway). I dont think Moreno is an option there really either ahead of Digne. So we are struggling to put it mildly, especially if Ramsey is out for a while again. For Ajax, Id try Bailey over on the left as he can put a shift in and the further away from Diaby he is the better.Reflecting on the Luton game, I do actually think Moreno ahead of Digne is a viable option on our left side; not first-choice but certainly viable. It may have been a good option early into the second half last Saturday.
Are we thinking of another Ramsey - Hacob? That is the one that Unai refers to on interviews.
Don't get this? Are you deciding it is good fun to take the piss out of his pronunciation of the letter J?
Are we thinking of another Ramsey - Hacob? That is the one that Unai refers to on interviews.
Don't get this? Are you deciding it is good fun to take the piss out of his pronunciation of the letter J?
Jesus you’re all over everything. Lighten up ffs. Anyway the last time me and Unai met for a Madri he was laughing about it.
Jesus you’re all over everything. Lighten up ffs. Anyway the last time me and Unai met for a Madri he was laughing about it.
Are we thinking of another Ramsey - Hacob? That is the one that Unai refers to on interviews.
Don't get this? Are you deciding it is good fun to take the piss out of his pronunciation of the letter J?
Jesus you’re all over everything. Lighten up ffs. Anyway the last time me and Unai met for a Madri he was laughing about it.
Sure he wasn't laughing at the pretend spanish beer?
We dont have any other option to replace him in our setup. Tielemans, Zaniolo and Rogers dont have the athleticism, McGinn struggles there (and we cant afford to move him anyway). I dont think Moreno is an option there really either ahead of Digne. So we are struggling to put it mildly, especially if Ramsey is out for a while again. For Ajax, Id try Bailey over on the left as he can put a shift in and the further away from Diaby he is the better.
We've played half the season without him and done pretty well to be fair. However, resources are stretched now.
Sure he wasn't laughing at the pretend spanish beer?
Are we thinking of another Ramsey - Hacob? That is the one that Unai refers to on interviews.
Don't get this? Are you deciding it is good fun to take the piss out of his pronunciation of the letter J?
Jesus you’re all over everything. Lighten up ffs. Anyway the last time me and Unai met for a Madri he was laughing about it.
Sure he wasn't laughing at the pretend spanish beer?
That's some genius marketing right there. Brew some shit lager in Burton, stick a vaguely Spanish sounding name on it, and bang, millions of gallons sold every week.
Sure he wasn't laughing at the pretend spanish beer?
That's some genius marketing right there. Brew some shit lager in Burton, stick a vaguely Spanish sounding name on it, and bang, millions of gallons sold every week.
It genuinely is genius marketing!
The strange thing about Madri is whenever I've asked someone who drinks it what it's like, they seem to pull a face and say 'yeah it's ok'.
Sure he wasn't laughing at the pretend spanish beer?
That's some genius marketing right there. Brew some shit lager in Burton, stick a vaguely Spanish sounding name on it, and bang, millions of gallons sold every week.
It genuinely is genius marketing!
I know, I wasn't being sarcastic fo a change!
Madri = Carling with a Spanish nameWith extra malt.
Dreadful stuff and gives me the most awful sickness the next day which nothing else does, wouldn't touch it now.
It genuinely is genius marketing!
I know, I wasn't being sarcastic fo a change!
It doesn't compete with this, though.
Peroni is the same, stick it in a fancy glass, chuck a couple of quid on the price...hey-presto.
My Italian work colleague say in Italy, it's known as builders beer.
In Mid & Southern Italy, there is a lot more of the normal, red badged Peroni about in the bars, we tend to only get the Nastro Azzurri version. Blue Ribbon I believe it translates as.
Sure he wasn't laughing at the pretend spanish beer?
That's some genius marketing right there. Brew some shit lager in Burton, stick a vaguely Spanish sounding name on it, and bang, millions of gallons sold every week.
It genuinely is genius marketing!
TBH, if the metatarsal is not healing / repeatedly breaking then I don't hold out much hope for the rest of his career. I suppose it will also depend whether they let it naturally heal, or used screws. If the former, then they might need to get the metal in. If the later and something has happened around that, there is not much bone to be able to make it stronger.
We're rapidly running out of Ramseys here.
We're rapidly running out of Ramseys here.
But hold on, you've got to wait for the best (Cole Ramsey).
We're rapidly running out of Ramseys here.
But hold on, you've got to wait for the best (Cole Ramsey).
Out for 2 weeks.
Advised to have 4 weeks off at end of season.
Screw in toe is rubbing against boot. New boots being made as we speak.
Out for 2 weeks.
Advised to have 4 weeks off at end of season.
Screw in toe is rubbing against boot. New boots being made as we speak.
Screw-in toes, what will they think of next!
Out for 2 weeks.
Advised to have 4 weeks off at end of season.
Screw in toe is rubbing against boot. New boots being made as we speak.
Screw-in toes, what will they think of next!
Would've been a boon for our old Maths teacher, No-Toes Taylor.
Out for 2 weeks.
Advised to have 4 weeks off at end of season.
Screw in toe is rubbing against boot. New boots being made as we speak.
Screw-in toes, what will they think of next!
Out for 2 weeks.ITK or has it been posted somewhere else?
Advised to have 4 weeks off at end of season.
Screw in toe is rubbing against boot. New boots being made as we speak.
Screw in toe is rubbing against boot. New boots being made as we speak.
We had a French teacher by the name of French, the sadistic, dangerous insane bastard. I hope he's rotting in Hell.We had a French teacher by the name of Mr P Nut, tis the truth
I’m not seeing these rumours on my X feed. So fingers crossed it’s BSBS?
Out for 2 weeks.ITK or has it been posted somewhere else?
Advised to have 4 weeks off at end of season.
Screw in toe is rubbing against boot. New boots being made as we speak.
So are we going full circle here and we don’t think his careers over?Out for 2 weeks.ITK or has it been posted somewhere else?
Advised to have 4 weeks off at end of season.
Screw in toe is rubbing against boot. New boots being made as we speak.
Emery said in his pre-Ajax press conference that he's out for tomorrow, but his injury is nothing serious.
probably just out for 6-8 monthsSo are we going full circle here and we don’t think his careers over?Out for 2 weeks.ITK or has it been posted somewhere else?
Advised to have 4 weeks off at end of season.
Screw in toe is rubbing against boot. New boots being made as we speak.
Emery said in his pre-Ajax press conference that he's out for tomorrow, but his injury is nothing serious.
Typical Villa injury. They make you expend all that energy bracing yourself for the end of his career and then bang. He's going to be alright. What a waste of an expending. We'll never get that back.
I spent at least 5 minutes today trying to work out how to tell my son Jacob Ramseys career was over. Young Rambo will never know what I went through for him. #sacrifice
Hey now, hey now, career is over.
Sorry, the song just came on the radio.
Hey now, hey now, career is over.
Sorry, the song just came on the radio.
If he’s going to be fit before the end of the season there’s a battle ahead.
Possible career-ender but they let him play for another 10-15 minutes.
Possible career-ender but they let him play for another 10-15 minutes.
Which suggests it was never a potential career ender and that rumour was nonsense.
Discomfort because of his boots and the metalwork they put in to fix his foot seems perfectly reasonable as an explanation and fits with what happened in the game.
Hey now, hey now, career is over.
Sorry, the song just came on the radio.
If he’s going to be fit before the end of the season there’s a battle ahead.
But Duran's out with a paper cut.
]Rumours on social media JJ needs op and is out for season. Seems to be same source that said kamara did ACL
FFS who broke mirror, walked under a ladder and run over a black cat 😔
]Rumours on social media JJ needs op and is out for season. Seems to be same source that said kamara did ACL
FFS who broke mirror, walked under a ladder and run over a black cat 😔
What was the source for this rumour. Who is this fountain of knowledge
]Rumours on social media JJ needs op and is out for season. Seems to be same source that said kamara did ACL
FFS who broke mirror, walked under a ladder and run over a black cat 😔
What was the source for this rumour. Who is this fountain of knowledge
]Rumours on social media JJ needs op and is out for season. Seems to be same source that said kamara did ACL
FFS who broke mirror, walked under a ladder and run over a black cat 😔
What was the source for this rumour. Who is this fountain of knowledge
I’m not seeing these rumours on my X feed. So fingers crossed it’s BSBS?
When is Duran expecting back?
]Rumours on social media JJ needs op and is out for season. Seems to be same source that said kamara did ACL
FFS who broke mirror, walked under a ladder and run over a black cat 😔
What was the source for this rumour. Who is this fountain of knowledge
What’s a fountain of knowledge?
Stand down Bad English.
You mean toenailsPossible career-ender but they let him play for another 10-15 minutes.
Which suggests it was never a potential career ender and that rumour was nonsense.
Discomfort because of his boots and the metalwork they put in to fix his foot seems perfectly reasonable as an explanation and fits with what happened in the game.Hey now, hey now, career is over.
Sorry, the song just came on the radio.
If he’s going to be fit before the end of the season there’s a battle ahead.
But Duran's out with a paper cut.
I heard he had nails in his feet.
When is Duran expecting back?
He's in full training so anytime soon.
Whoops, is it Font or Fount?
Is It Font of Knowledge or Fount? When writing, font is going to be more proper for American English usage, while fount is more popular with British English authors. Since both are derived from the word fountain and mean essentially the same, you won't be criticised if you prefer one over the other.
is Ramsey back for Spurs ?
is Ramsey back for Spurs ?
is Ramsey back for Spurs ?
Fount of all knowledge.
You get baptised in a font.
Whoops, is it Font or Fount?QuoteIs It Font of Knowledge or Fount? When writing, font is going to be more proper for American English usage, while fount is more popular with British English authors. Since both are derived from the word fountain and mean essentially the same, you won't be criticised if you prefer one over the other.
Fwiw, I would say font (of all knowledge).
There is no such thing as American Engilsh.Yeah, even Americans don't fuck that spelling up.
Whoops, is it Font or Fount?QuoteIs It Font of Knowledge or Fount? When writing, font is going to be more proper for American English usage, while fount is more popular with British English authors. Since both are derived from the word fountain and mean essentially the same, you won't be criticised if you prefer one over the other.
Fwiw, I would say font (of all knowledge).
There is no such thing as American Engilsh. There is the King's English and there are mistakes.
Fount of all knowledge.
You get baptised in a font.
In America it's font. So use fount! Please use fount.
Id be suprised if he features i think he will be saved for ajaxNow isn't the time to save him, he needs to play tomorrow if fit then rest on Thursday.
Id be suprised if he features i think he will be saved for ajaxWhich leaves a gaping hole in our team because the potential replacements will weaken us.
Id be suprised if he features i think he will be saved for ajax
Id be suprised if he features i think he will be saved for ajax
I think they've made it clear that tomorrow is the priority, so he'll play tomorrow if he's going to play in one of them.
If it’s pain, rather than an injury that can be managed.
If it’s pain, rather than an injury that can be managed.
A bit of freeze spray, he’ll be fine.
I played six games with a dislocated big toe with the aid of freeze spray. I will add I didn’t know it was dislocated and it was Sunday league.
If it’s pain, rather than an injury that can be managed.
A bit of freeze spray, he’ll be fine.
I played six games with a dislocated big toe with the aid of freeze spray. I will add I didn’t know it was dislocated and it was Sunday league.
Can you erm, use that on any other part of the body? Asking for a friend.
If it’s pain, rather than an injury that can be managed.
A bit of freeze spray, he’ll be fine.
I played six games with a dislocated big toe with the aid of freeze spray. I will add I didn’t know it was dislocated and it was Sunday league.
Can you erm, use that on any other part of the body? Asking for a friend.
Will Ramsey be available for West Ham?
If not, I would consider putting Digne at Left back and Moreno in front of him (midfield).
What is going on with Ramsey? By all accounts he was touch and go for the Ajax away game. 3 games after that and he hasn't been near a squad.
Apart from Watkins and Carlos who were back in the team/squad the next game after their injuries.
What is going on with Ramsey? By all accounts he was touch and go for the Ajax away game. 3 games after that and he hasn't been near a squad.
He’s had his new boots. He’s running and training. Available for selection against Wolves as it stands.
He’s had his new boots. He’s running and training. Available for selection against Wolves as it stands.
Not even on the bench.
Worrying.
We're not sure what the problem is. Possibly still an issue with his metatarsal. He's had no luck at all this season. So annoying that he picked up that injury in the England U21 tournament last July. Apparently the Portuguese player stamped on JJ's foot with a nasty challenge.
Not even on the bench.
Worrying.
Very, season has been pretty much a write off for him. Lots of questions for the medical team and maybe even the player himself at this point.
Is it phillips or flathead? I can have a rummage in my toolbox, as long as it’s not one of those star bastards.Get a bastard file on it.
Is it phillips or flathead? I can have a rummage in my toolbox, as long as it’s not one of those star bastards.He talks a good game.
Not even on the bench.
Worrying.
Very, season has been pretty much a write off for him. Lots of questions for the medical team and maybe even the player himself at this point.
We haven't had a player conspiracy for a while. I wonder if the stories about selling him in the summer are true, or maybe even coming from the player/agent?
In all seriousness though, the injury stuff is bound to have impacted him, we sold his brother, there's talk of him being sold too, it's been an odd season for him. If he's still here next year, hopefully he gets a full pre season and can pick up where he left off last year.
Is it phillips or flathead? I can have a rummage in my toolbox, as long as it’s not one of those star bastards.
Is it phillips or flathead? I can have a rummage in my toolbox, as long as it’s not one of those star bastards.
Is it phillips or flathead? I can have a rummage in my toolbox, as long as it’s not one of those star bastards.
Sorry, wrong thread!
Is it phillips or flathead? I can have a rummage in my toolbox, as long as it’s not one of those star bastards.
Was it Vassell that did something like this?
Is it phillips or flathead? I can have a rummage in my toolbox, as long as it’s not one of those star bastards.
Was it Vassell that did something like this?
He drilled through his toe doing a bit of medical DIY if I remember correctly.
Fuck.i can see a slight flaw in the idea of selling him.
One has to start wondering if there is going to be a real problem with this going forward & whether selling Ramsey might actually be the best option for the club...
Fuck.i can see a slight floor in the idea of selling him.
One has to start wondering if there is going to be a real problem with this going forward & whether selling Ramsey might actually be the best option for the club...
Fuck.i can see a slight floor in the idea of selling him.
One has to start wondering if there is going to be a real problem with this going forward & whether selling Ramsey might actually be the best option for the club...
Yes, his ceiling's too low.
“He’s not available for tomorrow. Jacob Ramsey is progressing well and we are going to train this afternoon and we will decide if he can help us or not tomorrow.”
Fuck.i can see a slight floor in the idea of selling him.
One has to start wondering if there is going to be a real problem with this going forward & whether selling Ramsey might actually be the best option for the club...
Yes, his ceiling's too low.
I bet his toe is as stiff as a board.
On the weekend, Emery seemed to indicate it was the players choice.Quote“He’s not available for tomorrow. Jacob Ramsey is progressing well and we are going to train this afternoon and we will decide if he can help us or not tomorrow.”
I believe it is a "small" injury but seems to be causing discomfort and thus unable to play to the right level. It might be like Grealish's shin splints.
Well, it will be like a new signing next season.......presuming he doesn't fuck off somewhere else due to FFP or some other bollocks reason.Well if we were planning to sell him this has probably fucked it for us.
It would be interesting to hear whether he's having another op to put the problem right. I assume they are, and not just resting him.
Out for the rest of the season.
It makes what Unai has done this season even more of a miracle. So many injuries to key players. Step up big Tim.
At what point does this become a serious concern? :'(
I hope the kid who stamped on his foot & then whined to the ref that he wasn't getting enough protection whenever someone entered his safe space stands on a bucket full of lego.
Probably for the best that we look at the surgery again & start afresh from next season.
At least there will be four 'new' squad players to look forward to for next season....
Well, it will be like a new signing next season.......presuming he doesn't fuck off somewhere else due to FFP or some other bollocks reason.
According to Givemesport we are ranked 10th for injuries as at 1st March.
Days lost through injury. Given our “season enders” we may well come up on the rails from now until the season ends.According to Givemesport we are ranked 10th for injuries as at 1st March.
How do they measure it?
According to Givemesport we are ranked 10th for injuries as at 1st March.
How do they measure it?
According to Givemesport we are ranked 10th for injuries as at 1st March.
How do they measure it?
It means based on our injuries we should be 10th, just like Chelsea should be top 4 based on whatever metric they were using last week
Well, it will be like a new signing next season.......presuming he doesn't fuck off somewhere else due to FFP or some other bollocks reason.
Well, it will be like a new signing next season.......presuming he doesn't fuck off somewhere else due to FFP or some other bollocks reason.
I was thinking this also. It’s possible that this is the last time we see JJ in a Villa kit. Because even though this injury has wrecked his season nothing suggests it’s career ending. And at 22 he’s a very saleable asset to satisfy FFP. We need to get others off the books first but to get us under whatever limit they make up, this could be it for JJ as a Villa player.
Well, it will be like a new signing next season.......presuming he doesn't fuck off somewhere else due to FFP or some other bollocks reason.
I was thinking this also. It’s possible that this is the last time we see JJ in a Villa kit. Because even though this injury has wrecked his season nothing suggests it’s career ending. And at 22 he’s a very saleable asset to satisfy FFP. We need to get others off the books first but to get us under whatever limit they make up, this could be it for JJ as a Villa player.
An utterly (in a football context) depressing thought. But given he hasn't really played all season, we wouldn't get the market value we would've otherwise achieved. Hence, I don't think he'll be the one we do have to sell this summer.
I think any prospective buyer would want to see if he was well over his foot injury first, which might mean that a sale this summer would be unlikely. He's either been injured or not playing that well because of that injury this season, so I don't think there's going to be a queue of teams offering £50m+ for a while. Which is a good thing, anyway.Exactly.
Or, he could start the season, play really well and go at the end of the window.
Or any other speculative nonsense.
Mings, Buendia, Kamara and now Ramsay really will be like having 4 new players I the new season starts.
I would imagine that will have an impact on our purchases but then again you need big squads to juggle between title challenges and Euro football
I think it's understandable from a players POV. None of them grew up dreaming of playing in the Conference League after all. But the fans being excited about the chance of a few trips away, and midweek games against teams from far flung places, and Edinburgh, isn't something that players should make light of.
As I said though, whatever his attitude was I'm sure he wishes he was part of it now.
I'm not having a go because I don't know what he actually said or why, but it looked like he was saying "it's only the Conference league".
Again, not having a pop, I'm just wondering if anyone's attitudes towards the tournament have changed this season, in and outside the club.
And obviously even if he did think it's a makey uppy competition, I'm sure it's killing him to be watching the scenes last night from home. We'll just have to do it all again next year.
Olympiakos have beaten Arsenal twice in their last 4 games against them. Definitely not mugs. We're 4th in the Premier League and have been given a game by all of our opponents but Hibs. Fans attempting to knock this competition would have fallen by the wayside rounds ago.
I'm not having a go because I don't know what he actually said or why, but it looked like he was saying "it's only the Conference league".
Again, not having a pop, I'm just wondering if anyone's attitudes towards the tournament have changed this season, in and outside the club.
And obviously even if he did think it's a makey uppy competition, I'm sure it's killing him to be watching the scenes last night from home. We'll just have to do it all again next year.
"Makey uppy" ! Love it, Brian Kerr likes to use the phrase. Not sure if British people do.
Yeah, it was Ezri.
It was a new competition last season and the scenes from seeing West Ham win it (which happened after Ramsey said what he said, however he meant it), changed a lot of people's minds about it. It just so happens that by the end of our run, we'll have played some good sides and some well known clubs. The conference league (a name which probably contributed to a low opinion of it), will probably now just be grouped together with the other European competitions.
There is no parachute down to the EL from next season.
"Makey uppy" ! Love it, Brian Kerr likes to use the phrase. Not sure if British people do.
I thought it was a perfectly common phrase. A bit like "giving out". Had no idea that was an Irish thing until a Scottish person asked me what it meant.
"Giving-out" has raised a few raised eyebrows here, it's true.
Personally for next season, get the experience of money from the CL, go out in the league stage (either directly or after the play-off) then use the second half of the season to embed our qualification in the CL for the following season with less matches (barring a domestic trophy run). Hopefully then the team might have the experience for a title / CL run.
"Giving-out" has raised a few raised eyebrows here, it's true.
Personally for next season, get the experience of money from the CL, go out in the league stage (either directly or after the play-off) then use the second half of the season to embed our qualification in the CL for the following season with less matches (barring a domestic trophy run). Hopefully then the team might have the experience for a title / CL run.
Erm. Why not aim to win the fucking thing?
Personally for next season, get the experience of money from the CL, go out in the league stage (either directly or after the play-off) then use the second half of the season to embed our qualification in the CL for the following season with less matches (barring a domestic trophy run). Hopefully then the team might have the experience for a title / CL run.
Erm. Why not aim to win the fucking thing?
Personally for next season, get the experience of money from the CL, go out in the league stage (either directly or after the play-off) then use the second half of the season to embed our qualification in the CL for the following season with less matches (barring a domestic trophy run). Hopefully then the team might have the experience for a title / CL run.
Erm. Why not aim to win the fucking thing?
I know the format is changing, but will some teams from the Champions League still drop into the Europa League next season?
Personally for next season, get the experience of money from the CL, go out in the league stage (either directly or after the play-off) then use the second half of the season to embed our qualification in the CL for the following season with less matches (barring a domestic trophy run). Hopefully then the team might have the experience for a title / CL run.
Erm. Why not aim to win the fucking thing?
I know the format is changing, but will some teams from the Champions League still drop into the Europa League next season?
https://www.uefa.com/uefachampionsleague/news/0268-12157d69ce2d-9f011c70f6fa-1000--new-format-for-champions-league-post-2024-everything-you-ne/
No dropping into other competitions.
Not sure how many people noticed, but he had a massive protective boot on his foot last night (during the lap of appreciation). So more ops and treatment by the looks of things.
He'll be a great addition to the squad if he can get back to a decent level of fitness. It is a worry though.
Not sure how many people noticed, but he had a massive protective boot on his foot last night (during the lap of appreciation). So more ops and treatment by the looks of things.
He'll be a great addition to the squad if he can get back to a decent level of fitness. It is a worry though.
Not sure how many people noticed, but he had a massive protective boot on his foot last night (during the lap of appreciation). So more ops and treatment by the looks of things.
He'll be a great addition to the squad if he can get back to a decent level of fitness. It is a worry though.
It could be with the end of the season coming, they've taken a slightly longer-term approach to his recovery. It's been about 6 weeks since Unai confirmed he was out for the season, so it's surprising to see him still in a boot if it's genuinely a metatarsal, but maybe he had a pin inserted at the end of March to hold it in place while it healed, and that has recently been removed necessitating a boot for a while?
It's all very suspect, and though I have no doubt the club won't be issuing any updated on him before pre-season, it would be nice to see him out on the grass when everyone reports back.
Not sure how many people noticed, but he had a massive protective boot on his foot last night (during the lap of appreciation). So more ops and treatment by the looks of things.
He'll be a great addition to the squad if he can get back to a decent level of fitness. It is a worry though.
It could be with the end of the season coming, they've taken a slightly longer-term approach to his recovery. It's been about 6 weeks since Unai confirmed he was out for the season, so it's surprising to see him still in a boot if it's genuinely a metatarsal, but maybe he had a pin inserted at the end of March to hold it in place while it healed, and that has recently been removed necessitating a boot for a while?
It's all very suspect, and though I have no doubt the club won't be issuing any updated on him before pre-season, it would be nice to see him out on the grass when everyone reports back.
I'm pretty confident this is the case, after 2 setbacks they've probably just decided to take the time and be much more careful with it, he's had a really rough year but I'd be surprised if he isn't back involved in pre-season and desperate to make up for the lost time.
I can see it being the same with Buendia, Moreno and Mings.
Who would want to buy him until they know he is match fit?Assuming we get CL I think we have a minimum of 48 games next season even if we go out of every cup at the first hurdle. If we get in the top 24 (out of 36) in the CL, that's at least 2 more games. Even just getting through a couple of rounds in the domestic cups and we're looking at well over 50 games again. Hopefully that will be enough to keep players like Rogers and Ramsey interested.
But we might still do that as Rogers seems to be fitting into that role and I can't see both on the pitch at the same time unless one plays as a striker.
Who would want to buy him until they know he is match fit?
But we might still do that as Rogers seems to be fitting into that role and I can't see both on the pitch at the same time unless one plays as a striker.
Who would want to buy him until they know he is match fit?
But we might still do that as Rogers seems to be fitting into that role and I can't see both on the pitch at the same time unless one plays as a striker.
We need a squad next season, and back-up of their quality is exactly what is required.
Ramsey back in full training, Philogene there today.
Ramsey back in full training, Philogene there today.
Where did you see that?
From Villa's social media.Ramsey back in full training, Philogene there today.
Where did you see that?
If we get him back to fitness and form that would really improve us.
But they have Werner and Johnson...."Big eye roll face cartoon picture"If we get him back to fitness and form that would really improve us.
Not according to lots of Spurs fans, who say he is crap and could barely get a game for us last season... :P
Memo to JJ: Get some boots that protect your feet better... He was definitely targeted by some teams and they succeeded in keeping out one of our most exciting players.
Yes. Against Portugal U21s.I remember watching and re-watching that. It was very deliberate and nasty.
Some diving whiny little shit stamped on his foot & I cant remember if the ref even blew up for a foul for it.
Expecting big things from the lad this season, he has the potential to eclipse Grealish.That was very much where I was until his run of injuries last season.
Wasn’t that a wonderful assist by Ramsey v West Ham.Expecting big things from the lad this season, he has the potential to eclipse Grealish.That was very much where I was until his run of injuries last season.
If he has no bad luck with injuries this could well be the season to really establish himself has a top premier league player.
We missed his drive and awareness last seaon. To any Zaniolo apologists, this is the player that could have pushed us from a great season to unbelievable. Great to have him back and lets hope he can stay fit.
Fit JJ is a big step up from fit Zaniolo.
I’m wondering where the captain fits.I think we need to stop think about whats are "best team" - think there will be plenty of games for all our best players. Come the end of last season some of them were dead on there feet. Also - as the weekend showed - a 20 minute cameo may be a players contribution for the game - but doesnt make it any less important
SJM is a harder worker and better defensively bit doesn’t have then same swagger going forwards. Kamara and Onana, as a double pivot, might mean his grunt is less needed.
I’m wondering where the captain fits.I think we need to stop think about whats are "best team" - think there will be plenty of games for all our best players. Come the end of last season some of them were dead on there feet. Also - as the weekend showed - a 20 minute cameo may be a players contribution for the game - but doesnt make it any less important
SJM is a harder worker and better defensively bit doesn’t have then same swagger going forwards. Kamara and Onana, as a double pivot, might mean his grunt is less needed.
I’m wondering where the captain fits.I think we need to stop think about whats are "best team" - think there will be plenty of games for all our best players. Come the end of last season some of them were dead on there feet. Also - as the weekend showed - a 20 minute cameo may be a players contribution for the game - but doesnt make it any less important
SJM is a harder worker and better defensively bit doesn’t have then same swagger going forwards. Kamara and Onana, as a double pivot, might mean his grunt is less needed.
Playing a fit in form Ramsey while Bailey is out won’t do us any harm
We’re going to need him to start getting among the goals again. I expect he’ll be starting now Bailey is out. JJ is looking very sharp, it has to be said.
Thought he did well yesterday. Had a bit of a cob on him when he was brought off.
We’re going to need him to start getting among the goals again. I expect he’ll be starting now Bailey is out. JJ is looking very sharp, it has to be said.
In terms of the job they do, I'd assume Philogene would be getting Bailey's spot?
We’re going to need him to start getting among the goals again. I expect he’ll be starting now Bailey is out. JJ is looking very sharp, it has to be said.
In terms of the job they do, I'd assume Philogene would be getting Bailey's spot?
I’d think Unai would probably go McGinn on the right and JJ on the left.
Thought he did well yesterday. Had a bit of a cob on him when he was brought off.
Nice to see he’s the face of September in the calendar - feels like I’ve had Diaby staring at me forever .
Nice to see he’s the face of September in the calendar - feels like I’ve had Diaby staring at me forever .
I changed early , is that bad luck 😳
Nice to see he’s the face of September in the calendar - feels like I’ve had Diaby staring at me forever .
I changed early , is that bad luck 😳
Yes
Nice to see he’s the face of September in the calendar - feels like I’ve had Diaby staring at me forever .
I changed early , is that bad luck 😳
Yes
We beat Leicester, so no. Unless you changed it before Arsenal, then yes and no.
Thought he did well yesterday. Had a bit of a cob on him when he was brought off.
Rightly so when Rogers was losing the ball every time he got it. In any case, Ramsey was involved in both goals and was getting shots on goal in. Will start v Everton.
We’re going to need him to start getting among the goals again. I expect he’ll be starting now Bailey is out. JJ is looking very sharp, it has to be said.
In terms of the job they do, I'd assume Philogene would be getting Bailey's spot?
I’d think Unai would probably go McGinn on the right and JJ on the left.
And would be sensible to do so as they both offer much more than Philogene at the moment.
We’re going to need him to start getting among the goals again. I expect he’ll be starting now Bailey is out. JJ is looking very sharp, it has to be said.
In terms of the job they do, I'd assume Philogene would be getting Bailey's spot?
I’d think Unai would probably go McGinn on the right and JJ on the left.
And would be sensible to do so as they both offer much more than Philogene at the moment.
Yeah. Makes sense to give Philogene a few confidence boosting cameos against tiring defenders before starting whole games. He can play both wings too, so emery can target the full back that’s booked or noticeably knackered. Along with Duran that’s two natural “finishers” that could make a big difference.
We’re going to need him to start getting among the goals again. I expect he’ll be starting now Bailey is out. JJ is looking very sharp, it has to be said.
In terms of the job they do, I'd assume Philogene would be getting Bailey's spot?
I’d think Unai would probably go McGinn on the right and JJ on the left.
And would be sensible to do so as they both offer much more than Philogene at the moment.
Yeah. Makes sense to give Philogene a few confidence boosting cameos against tiring defenders before starting whole games. He can play both wings too, so emery can target the full back that’s booked or noticeably knackered. Along with Duran that’s two natural “finishers” that could make a big difference.
was a bit worried when someone trod on his foot , but he looked very good todayHe was a marked man.
was a bit worried when someone trod on his foot , but he looked very good today
was a bit worried when someone trod on his foot , but he looked very good today
And me, at one point it looked like he was blarting and I thought that was it.
Him and Rogers together look like they could be very productive, they compliment each other, but then the whole midfield does.
I really think we look a better balanced team now than last year.
The JJ, Duran relationship is one to watch too. The goal at West Ham and now the one from last night that was disallowed set up by a similar clever inside pass from JJ to JD.
The JJ, Duran relationship is one to watch too. The goal at West Ham and now the one from last night that was disallowed set up by a similar clever inside pass from JJ to JD.
JD's pass into the path of JJ wasn't a bad one either in the first place. Perfect into his pace.
Him and Rogers together look like they could be very productive, they compliment each other, but then the whole midfield does.Yeah it looks good so far. But i think we need to be playing the better sides and see how we do before we know 100%. Early signs are definitely promising though.
I really think we look a better balanced team now than last year.
Thought that thug (nr 35) had bust his foot again last night , terrible stamp that went totally unpunishedI had concerns of that too.
Thought that thug (nr 35) had bust his foot again last night , terrible stamp that went totally unpunished
Yeah great . That nr 35 had wiped somebody else out too moments earlier - DC i think . How he stayed on the pitch without any cards is a jokeThought that thug (nr 35) had bust his foot again last night , terrible stamp that went totally unpunished
Not sure if it was the same foot he'd previously suffered with but it was a full on stamp on the foot that deserved a booking. Delighted for him to get on the scoresheet last night.
It's great seeing Ramsey back to his best too. Last season was awful for him.Not yet at peak form for me - tends to need a good few games to get his physical edge, it seems to me - but is improving and he’ll get there.
The lads seem to be forming a little clique. JJ the Brummie, who understands Rogers the yam-yam (and vice-versa), Duran the Colombian who doesn’t know what the fuck they’re saying and Onana translating because he already speaks all three languages fluently.
The lads seem to be forming a little clique. JJ the Brummie, who understands Rogers the yam-yam (and vice-versa), Duran the Colombian who doesn’t know what the fuck they’re saying and Onana translating because he already speaks all three languages fluently.
Judging by Rogers recent interview JJ virtually tapped him up after the Boro game in the cup. Apparently they were firm friends well before he joined Villa and call him to say there was interest.
The lads seem to be forming a little clique. JJ the Brummie, who understands Rogers the yam-yam (and vice-versa), Duran the Colombian who doesn’t know what the fuck they’re saying and Onana translating because he already speaks all three languages fluently.
Judging by Rogers recent interview JJ virtually tapped him up after the Boro game in the cup. Apparently they were firm friends well before he joined Villa and call him to say there was interest.
Yeah, I saw that interview and thought to myself "that sounds a bit too dodgy to be talking about in public". He made it sound like JJ was asking him questions he wouldn't normally ask, which I expect was things like "how long is your contract?" and "Do you have a release clause?". We'd certainly be annoyed if the roles were reversed.
After a solid performance versus Young Boys, Jacob was a bit average I thought on Saturday - like quite a few players, obviously, in the first half. He doesn't yet seem to be at peak fitness, so isn't driving forward with his usual elan.Maybe he was narked with his own performance and not the management for subbing him off.
He seemed to be a bit narked to be hooked too, and not for the first time this season. Hope there's nothing significant in that.
Maybe he was narked with his own performance and not the management for subbing him off.You're probably right.
I thought he was really on it early in the game and was only being managed by Wolves by tactical fouling. And a pretty rough arsed tackle deep into Wolves territory.
They all need to get used to being subbed off , like Watkins and McGinn are too. Very much about squad management this season
I think all the players taken off were a bit narked as we were actually starting to get on top, and they probably felt deprived of the opportunity of being part of a comeback that was looking on the cards.
But this is part of being in a squad like we have now. A sub-par 45 minutes, and you're like to find yourself replaced. Even if you're not playing badly, there is competition on the bench, at, or close to, your level.
I think all the players taken off were a bit narked as we were actually starting to get on top, and they probably felt deprived of the opportunity of being part of a comeback that was looking on the cards.
But this is part of being in a squad like we have now. A sub-par 45 minutes, and you're like to find yourself replaced. Even if you're not playing badly, there is competition on the bench, at, or close to, your level.
That's exactly how I see it. And if they don't like being subbed, play a bit better.
After a solid performance versus Young Boys, Jacob was a bit average I thought on Saturday - like quite a few players, obviously, in the first half. He doesn't yet seem to be at peak fitness, so isn't driving forward with his usual elan.
He seemed to be a bit narked to be hooked too, and not for the first time this season. Hope there's nothing significant in that.
As soon as he stretched for that ball near the touch line I thought, tweaked groin. He is annoyingly injury prone though.
Any update on his, onana and Bailey’s fitness?
Did he have many injuries before last season? His absences for most of last season were all basically rocurrences of the same thing weren't they, ie the broken foot/toe after that stamp from the twat in the U21s. I don't recall him being like Cash before, ie always out with a variety of muscle issues.No, but he had a very solid run of games in Emery's first partial season. It's been a bit stop-start for him this year, hence the tweaks I guess.
Played really well today.
He's pretty much our only functioning wide midefielder as well so it's double shit.
He's pretty much our only functioning wide midefielder as well so it's double shit.
Might be time for a reshape. McGinn (or Barkley) alongside Kamara in the double pivot and push Tielemans up a little.
He's pretty much our only functioning wide midefielder as well so it's double shit.
Might be time for a reshape. McGinn (or Barkley) alongside Kamara in the double pivot and push Tielemans up a little.
I was thinking the other day many of our problems would be sorted if Maatsen was right footed. McGinn could play on the right with someone genuinely overlapping him, we'd be much better balanced.
However good Maatsen ends up being I cant help feeling we fucked up not sorting the right hand side out first.
I saw Conceicao on the bench for Portugal in the summer and thought 'bloody hell, is he still playing?' but it's his son, isn't it?
I hope Villa Park give a very special welcome to Francisco Conceição when we play Juventus. He's the little rat faced twat that stamped on Ramsey's foot the summer before last.
I hope Villa Park give a very special welcome to Francisco Conceição when we play Juventus. He's the little rat faced twat that stamped on Ramsey's foot the summer before last.
Don’t worry I’ve been saving up all this seasons booing especially for this occasion. I booed him every time he touched the ball for Portugal in last summers Euros much to my wife’s amusement. The little snidey ******.
Talking of booing how much on a scale of 1-10 do you think Bellingham would get booed if we ever played R Madrid at VPHe’s a great player. It would still be a 10
Talking of booing how much on a scale of 1-10 do you think Bellingham would get booed if we ever played R Madrid at VPHe’s a great player. It would still be a 10
Talking of booing how much on a scale of 1-10 do you think Bellingham would get booed if we ever played R Madrid at VP
Bloody hell, that's another half a dozen games he'll miss before returning for five minutes and getting injured again.
Bloody hell, that's another half a dozen games he'll miss before returning for five minutes and getting injured again.
Fixed.
Bloody hell, that's another half a dozen games he'll miss before returning for five minutes and getting injured again.
Fixed.
I'd sell him in the summer.
I'd sell him in the summer.
Glad your not the manager then.
Something of the Keenan Davis about him. Doubtful he will ever fulfil his potential.
Big Keinan appears to be fulfilling his potential in Serie A as we speak.
I’d much rather have the patience. He’s a top player and worth the risk.
Something of the Keenan Davis about him. Doubtful he will ever fulfil his potential.
Of course I hope I am wrong, but so far its all been about potential because he has not delivered on a consistent basis.Something of the Keenan Davis about him. Doubtful he will ever fulfil his potential.
I think you wrote something there that you don't really believe. True, he's been injured more often than not of late but I'd say that's as much to do with being out for so long he's become more susceptible to other injuries. I get totally frustrated by these injuries too, not just JJ, Onana, for instance. Any physical contact and I'm thinking how many weeks?
Of course I hope I am wrong, but so far its all been about potential because he has not delivered on a consistent basis.Something of the Keenan Davis about him. Doubtful he will ever fulfil his potential.
I think you wrote something there that you don't really believe. True, he's been injured more often than not of late but I'd say that's as much to do with being out for so long he's become more susceptible to other injuries. I get totally frustrated by these injuries too, not just JJ, Onana, for instance. Any physical contact and I'm thinking how many weeks?
The problem with Ramsey is that when he returns from injury it takes him quite a few games to get back to his best, or close to it.
Just as he gets there, he gets bloody injured again and it’s rinse and repeat.
No questions about his talent , he's a class player who glides forward with ease . Problem is he's injury prone on Jermaine Jenas levels . I think we give it another year or two but if he's always in and out the team through injuries you'd have to question that
That prick Conceicao...we should have booed him off the pitch at VP last week but I guess it was only us geeks who knew it was him who caused JJ's injury downfall. Unfortunately, he's also a cracking player and was Juve's lad most likely to win them the game.
That prick Conceicao...we should have booed him off the pitch at VP last week but I guess it was only us geeks who knew it was him who caused JJ's injury downfall. Unfortunately, he's also a cracking player and was Juve's lad most likely to win them the game.
I Booed him every time he touched the ball, the talented little snidey twat.
No questions about his talent , he's a class player who glides forward with ease . Problem is he's injury prone on Jermaine Jenas levels . I think we give it another year or two but if he's always in and out the team through injuries you'd have to question that
No he's not, as I said on the page before, he's had one big injury from a bad tackle and a few niggles recovering from it, but fuck reading the other posts, you just keep cranking out your horseshit.
That’s not unusual after a long injury though. Hopefully we manage his minutes when he does come back. The squad is big enough that he can be rotated and miss the odd match.
That’s not unusual after a long injury though. Hopefully we manage his minutes when he does come back. The squad is big enough that he can be rotated and miss the odd match.
That injury was a while ago now though. As I sat, it's such a shame as he was superb the season when Emery first arrived.
That’s not unusual after a long injury though. Hopefully we manage his minutes when he does come back. The squad is big enough that he can be rotated and miss the odd match.
That injury was a while ago now though. As I sat, it's such a shame as he was superb the season when Emery first arrived.
Back in full training, apparently.
Be great if he could lastthe seasona few games.
Genuinely gutted for the lad, the injuries he's had. 2 seasons ago he was on fire. Think he'll struggle to get past Rogers now thpugh, I'm guessing they'll be competing for that left side position? Rogers is just so powerful carrying the ball, I'm not sure JJ can do that in the same way.
Genuinely gutted for the lad, the injuries he's had. 2 seasons ago he was on fire. Think he'll struggle to get past Rogers now thpugh, I'm guessing they'll be competing for that left side position? Rogers is just so powerful carrying the ball, I'm not sure JJ can do that in the same way.
The worst part being that the injury was absolutely intentional.
I think how we play Ramsey could thrive in the role Tielemans had at the weekend.
I can see him playing instead of Meatball in a few games, imagine a fit JJ, Rogers and Duran. Could be scary.I have not seen Ramsey get anywhere near the performances of SJM for a long long time.
I can see him playing instead of Meatball in a few games, imagine a fit JJ, Rogers and Duran. Could be scary.I have not seen Ramsey get anywhere near the performances of SJM for a long long time.
I can see him playing instead of Meatball in a few games, imagine a fit JJ, Rogers and Duran. Could be scary.
Just got back to training this week. I’ll be surprised if we see him until the new year. Maybe Leicester, more likely West Ham.
That little wrapped return pass to Maatsen for Bailey's winner, I think you need to see all the angles to appreciate it.
This guy can do stuff no one else in our squad can. I just hope that if he is made of glass that it's now triple-glazed, air-locked and whatever the heck else is required to keep him fit and firing.
What an exceptional talent he is.Reads like a minute-by-minute commentary on a skin flick.
Great first-half goal against West Ham. One of our Jacob Ramseys! I hadn't scored in the league since September 2023, but I believe there were circumstances, given the injury and stop-start nature.
He took the goal really nicely after receiving the ball from Watkins' very enjoyable combination play. 3 Premier League starts in a row now for JJ let's hope he's gained some momentum, since his opening goal against West Ham was a reminder of how fantastic he is!
What an exceptional talent he is.Reads like a minute-by-minute commentary on a skin flick.
Great first-half goal against West Ham. One of our Jacob Ramseys! I hadn't scored in the league since September 2023, but I believe there were circumstances, given the injury and stop-start nature.
He took the goal really nicely after receiving the ball from Watkins' very enjoyable combination play. 3 Premier League starts in a row now for JJ let's hope he's gained some momentum, since his opening goal against West Ham was a reminder of how fantastic he is!
I hadn't scored in the league since September 2023, but I believe there were circumstances, given the injury and stop-start nature.
Superb tonight. Back to his best. We really need that the second half of the season. An in form Rogers and Jacob will be massive for us.
I think he's my favourite Villa player, there's no waste or fannying about with Ramsey.
He's brutally efficient and effective, and brings a balance to us like no other single player.
At his best, he might be our best player.
At his best, he might be our best player.
This thought has often occurred to me. Also, he seems to play that position, and understand that position like no-one who has attempted to fill in there in his enforced absence.
At his best, he might be our best player.
This thought has often occurred to me. Also, he seems to play that position, and understand that position like no-one who has attempted to fill in there in his enforced absence.
IIRC Unai put Ramsey in that left side position in his first game, and instantly he looked like he'd always played there.
At his best, he might be our best player.
This thought has often occurred to me. Also, he seems to play that position, and understand that position like no-one who has attempted to fill in there in his enforced absence.
IIRC Unai put Ramsey in that left side position in his first game, and instantly he looked like he'd always played there.
Was he one of the midfielders that Gerrard wanted to fill in at the back while the full-backs bombed on?
Used to drive me mad, whoever the players were. I know SJM was one, and Kamara was on his own trying to control the entire middle of the pitch on his own.
Be interesting if we do buy Felix. Him at 10, with Rogers coming from the right and Ramsey left flying could be devastating.Stop it with this Felix nonsense!!
Isn’t it funny that JJ scored perhaps with his worst effort!
It wasn’t inconceivable to have scored 4 goals yesterday should have at least a hat trick
5 shots at goal 3 on target.
One of the lesser spoken of benefits of signing Rashford has been that Ramsey has seen it as a high level competitor in his position and looks to be raising his game in response.
One of the lesser spoken of benefits of signing Rashford has been that Ramsey has seen it as a high level competitor in his position and looks to be raising his game in response.
Quite possibly this, but also he’s finally having an injury free spell thus putting a run of games together, perfect timing for us that he’s returning to his best form.
Thought he was excellent yesterday.
Hey Solq youre quoting me from Feb 10th and that reference was my observation and facts from the spurs game where he scored in first minute .Isn’t it funny that JJ scored perhaps with his worst effort!
It wasn’t inconceivable to have scored 4 goals yesterday should have at least a hat trick
5 shots at goal 3 on target.
Surely his worst effort was the air-shot he had which then fell to Rogers to blast against the defender.
I had to bring Ramsey up again because he was without doubt to me the best player on the pitch against Preston and scored best goal yet nothing was being said on his player thread.
I only watched a re run of the game this morning so was expecting to come and see the superlatives on JJ but there was nothing here honouring just me writing about him on the 10th Feb after he scored
No one wanted to discuss him for a whole month including his match against Spurs
I’m now pleased to see some posts discussing how good he was yesterday.
Ramsey is one of the best for me. And actually Tuchel referenced he was unlucky not to get in the England side.
A good aid on a monday.
Jacob Ramsey One of own!
UTV!
Oh footy you really are the best online fan of Aston Villa on the H&V forum. The only one who cares, the biggest help to everyone else because you're the only one with any sort of insight, vision and foresight that has ever entered this place.
You're so good I think you're above us and really shouldn't sully your great experience and knowledge by coming on here with us plebians. You should operate on a completely different place.
He has a particular way of setting himself and moving when the ball is at his feet. Hard to describe but it might be from watching his Dad box. Doesn't stick his arse out like Meatball, just guards the ball and prepares to glide. Doesn't always come off but looks great when it does.His first touch often taking the ball on the run is sublime.
He has a particular way of setting himself and moving when the ball is at his feet. Hard to describe but it might be from watching his Dad box. Doesn't stick his arse out like Meatball, just guards the ball and prepares to glide. Doesn't always come off but looks great when it does.His first touch often taking the ball on the run is sublime.
Am I right in thinking that his red card v Bournemouth puts him out for the rest of the season?Just the Spurs game I believe.
Ramsey need a full pre season and no injuries, he hasn't regained the explosiveness he had getting himself away from defenders.
He's definitley getting back to his best, and definitely should have seen yellow for that second challenge, it was a stupid one to make.
It's a second yellow, but I feel for Ramsey because you watch it back Brooks clearly trails his leg back to force contact, knowing full well the outcome. It's horrible and very unlucky.
Yeah. We'd have been screaming for it. Much like we were for any one of the 6 yellows Morsy didn't get at Ipswich. Or indeed Rashfords second yellow at villa park against United.
Overall though as well as he played at times Ramsey's end product was the constant issue. That simply has to improve in the situations we get all our forwards in. As good as Watkins and Rogers stats are, it includes them, end product improves just a fraction, we're 73-77 points already.
Am I right in thinking that his red card v Bournemouth puts him out for the rest of the season?Just the Spurs game I believe.
Just one match ban, i think.
Thanks; somehow I was convinced he had to miss 3 matches after a red card.
Good news then, that he’ll be back for our last ditch CL tilt against Manure!
The first yellow was just stupid. The second one the ref should have taken a minute. It was much more a coming together of the two players versus a true yellow. He could easily have given him a warning. When you consider players who constantly and intentionally foul and avoid yellows this was a very soft dismissal. Case in point Guimares against us a couple of weeks back. He should have had two yellows before he even got his first.
Yeah. We'd have been screaming for it. Much like we were for any one of the 6 yellows Morsy didn't get at Ipswich. Or indeed Rashfords second yellow at villa park against United.
Overall though as well as he played at times Ramsey's end product was the constant issue. That simply has to improve in the situations we get all our forwards in. As good as Watkins and Rogers stats are, it includes them, end product improves just a fraction, we're 73-77 points already.
and we wouldn't have got what we wanted, like the times players didn't get booked earlier to the match for similar fouls. I get that technically it was probably right but, for me, that only applies if the ref has been consistent. The Semenyo one in particular was more obviously intentional contact, in a far more dangerous area of the pitch and with far less defensive cover. If that isn't given as a yellow then no Villa fan should be accepting that the ref had no choice but to send Ramsey off.
Thanks; somehow I was convinced he had to miss 3 matches after a red card.
Good news then, that he’ll be back for our last ditch CL tilt against Manure!
Only a violent conduct red card is straight 3 match. Double yellows, last man or goal bound handball reds are normally just one game.
For anyone watching Refwatch this morning, what did Dermot Gallagher have to say, if anything, about the Ramsey issues.
For anyone watching Refwatch this morning, what did Dermot Gallagher have to say, if anything, about the Ramsey issues.
He agreed with it, as did Sue Smith. Warnock didn’t.
They mainly talked about the first one, saying that the second one wouldn’t have mattered without it.
For anyone watching Refwatch this morning, what did Dermot Gallagher have to say, if anything, about the Ramsey issues.
He agreed with it, as did Sue Smith. Warnock didn’t.
They mainly talked about the first one, saying that the second one wouldn’t have mattered without it.
Sky reporting new contract or contract extension. Pleasingly he’s going nowhere.
Aston Villa have offered Jacob Ramsey a new contract — Villa bosses want to protect the value of the player by offering him increased terms.
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That slide-through from Youri to JJ against Roma....Christ on a tricycle, something else... Interesting that Ramsey used the time he had to shift the ball from his left foot to right. Has he ever scored with his left foot for us?
Stories on t'interwebnet that despite offers, no progress on agreeing a new contract.Newcastle mentioned on the UTV and Justin talks Villa podcasts.
Consequently transfer rumours beginning to swirl as he's only got 2 yrs left on his current contract
Newcastle looking like a clown car club..
Star striker is a striker but in the down tools sense and is agitating for a move.
Cycling their way down the list of strikers in an effort to get a replacement in, despite having Champs League and the greatest English coach in the history of football.
Why would Ramsey want to go there?
Newcastle looking like a clown car club..I don't actually see how he'd fit into their game structure. They have several wide options and some strong central midfield options.
Star striker is a striker but in the down tools sense and is agitating for a move.
Cycling their way down the list of strikers in an effort to get a replacement in, despite having Champs League and the greatest English coach in the history of football.
Why would Ramsey want to go there?
He is an obvious sale from our A list. Bit part player, injury prone. Sad, because on his day he is a great footballer.
He is an obvious sale from our A list. Bit part player, injury prone. Sad, because on his day he is a great footballer.
An alternative description would be that he's a young local lad who is just about on the fringes of the England squad, and could quite plausibly be on the cusp of a breakout season where he reaches his full potential, doesn't get injured and is worth loads more money next summer.
I'd be surprised if we sold him.
He is an obvious sale from our A list. Bit part player, injury prone. Sad, because on his day he is a great footballer.
An alternative description would be that he's a young local lad who is just about on the fringes of the England squad, and could quite plausibly be on the cusp of a breakout season where he reaches his full potential, doesn't get injured and is worth loads more money next summer.
I'd be surprised if we sold him.
Who do you sell then?
David Ornstein's got a piece in The Athletic about ongoing transfer machinations. Here's his tale on JJ:
KEEP AN EYE ON RAMSEY …
Another situation to watch as the transfer window enters its final few weeks involves Aston Villa midfielder Jacob Ramsey.
The 24-year-old is now in the final 24 months of his Villa contract, and despite several offers to extend, no agreement has been reached. In such circumstances, both parties are open-minded about finding an alternative solution, and that is likely to mean a sale.
This would avoid further limbo, allowing Villa to plan ahead with more clarity and Ramsey the opportunity to achieve greater career stability. Many suitors have expressed an interest to Ramsey’s camp, but emerging as his preferred destination are Newcastle United.
The Tyneside club made an approach for the former England youth international in January 2024, and boss Eddie Howe is a big fan.
Other sides from the Premier League and abroad are also keen, including West Ham United. Their head coach Graham Potter admires Ramsey, and the feeling is mutual. However, Newcastle’s project and the chance to work under Howe are thought to carry the greatest appeal.
Before opening their seasons in Saturday’s lunchtime kick-off at Villa Park, Newcastle and Villa are starting talks to explore whether a compromise can be reached.
Ramsey is a priority target as Newcastle aim to strengthen in his position — and up front — amid what has been a testing market.
A number of ambitious options have moved elsewhere, but they have landed Anthony Elanga and Aaron Ramsdale, while a deal for Malick Thiaw is close to being completed.
In such circumstances, both parties are open-minded about finding an alternative solution, and that is likely to mean a sale
Bailey is an option to sell, but he’d need to go for more than £25m - which is doubtful.Why? His book value must be virtually nil, no?
Sell Bundia and Bailey; recoup £25-30m and the job's a good 'un.Agree, I would have thought we'd be better off selling those who book values are nil and are unlikely to contribute, rather than Ramsay. But maybe we do not have the choice?
Sell Bundia and Bailey; recoup £25-30m and the job's a good 'un.We can only really do that if (a) someone’s willing to pay those fees for them and (b) they’re also willing & able to pay their wages
Probably a similar scenario with Doug, if they don't sign a new contract we'll move them on.
Probably a similar scenario with Doug, if they don't sign a new contract we'll move them on.
https://x.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1955379658473816437
Hope we don’t regret this one….
Awful news. Great signing for Newcastle after a tough summer. Ideal replacement would have been Grealish who we let go to Everton. 40m barely scratches the surface of what JJ could be worth.Couldn't agree a contract with him so would of probably got £25 mill next summer.
We will probably replace him with Barnes.
Awful news. Great signing for Newcastle after a tough summer. Ideal replacement would have been Grealish who we let go to Everton. 40m barely scratches the surface of what JJ could be worth.
Awful news. Great signing for Newcastle after a tough summer. Ideal replacement would have been Grealish who we let go to Everton. 40m barely scratches the surface of what JJ could be worth.
Maybe, it’s hard to know. He’s got lots of talent, but he’s also been very stop start. If it gives us the headroom to get a couple in and he wouldn’t sign a new deal then so be it.
Awful news. Great signing for Newcastle after a tough summer. Ideal replacement would have been Grealish who we let go to Everton. 40m barely scratches the surface of what JJ could be worth.
Maybe, it’s hard to know. He’s got lots of talent, but he’s also been very stop start. If it gives us the headroom to get a couple in and he wouldn’t sign a new deal then so be it.
Feels like he’s been on the bench or injured for the past two seasons. Good player but if someone’s got to leave he probably impacts the first XI the least.
I'm not sure what to think of it if it goes through. Maybe he sees someone like Jimoh-Aloba as a long term replacement? He's certainly got a lot of talent.
Awful news. Great signing for Newcastle after a tough summer. Ideal replacement would have been Grealish who we let go to Everton. 40m barely scratches the surface of what JJ could be worth.
Maybe, it’s hard to know. He’s got lots of talent, but he’s also been very stop start. If it gives us the headroom to get a couple in and he wouldn’t sign a new deal then so be it.
Feels like he’s been on the bench or injured for the past two seasons. Good player but if someone’s got to leave he probably impacts the first XI the least.
A fully fit Ramsey is a cert on our left, sure it's been a while since we have seen that consistently, but otherwise we move McGinn or Rogers over. He was outstanding when Emery first came in. Was expecting big things from him this season.
Football has become depressing. Creative accounting more valued than creative football.
We will probably replace him with Barnes.
If he wants to go and won't sign a contract, then the club doesn't really have any choice, other than to optimise the situation.
You'd hope/expect that there would be an "English Tax" on the Transfer fee - surely £40m sounds a bit light for a 24 yr old who ip to a couple of seasons ago was going to be our next wunderkind?
Hope we stick a proper sell-on clause and plenty of achievable add-ons.
And we need to piss about so he can't play against us at the weekend.
I personally have a feeling the replacemet is already here
I personally have a feeling the replacemet is already here
Awful news. Great signing for Newcastle after a tough summer. Ideal replacement would have been Grealish who we let go to Everton. 40m barely scratches the surface of what JJ could be worth.
He could be worth a lot more, on the flip side a 3rd consecutive stop start season with 1 league goal and only 12 months left he'd be worth a lot less.
Our best left midfielder is Ramsey. Through the middle, Rogers, and on the right, nobody…. So hopefully this B tier Fella from the French league can make that right side his own.
Bailey should have been the PSR makeweight this summer. Offered nothing apart from that one season wonder, and if preseason was anything to go by, we’re in for more of the same.
Absolutely gutted if we lose JJ.
Fuck football.
What a shite window .
This is fucking rank.
Do we know for sure that UEFA are taking contract-spread into account on our summer signings?
Jacob Ramsey "he's one of our own" just shows how the game is now. Should've made them pay £60m! I hope there's some incomings now. The timing is really crap. I just can't see Villa doing much this season.
What a shite window .
It’s not closed yet.
As said ages back, sales were needed for us to readress balance of the squad and try and improve.
JJ has rejected multiple contracts so clubs been forced to cash in
The sale however will allow for the rebalancing and more incomings
2-3 more in
I don’t think it’s a great move for him. He won’t get in for Gordon when he’s fully fit unless they change their system, or in their midfield three. To me, judging by how they set up now, he’s an upgrade on Willock, who doesn’t play much I don’t think. We’ll soon see I suppose.This pretty much exactly sums up my thoughts. We can only sell players we have offers for, and with the rules as they are we need to have some kind of flow of players coming in & out.
I have often thought he had the potential to be our best player, but after a stuttering last two seasons and at 24, it’s still potential, because he’s quite a way off being our best player at the moment.
I suppose if someone has to go, they first have to have somewhere to go, and sadly the ones we want to leave don’t have that without us taking a financial hit.
I’m disappointed if he goes. He’s got real potential and on his day he can be brilliant, but he’s also not been able to put a run together for a while (injury obviously a big factor). Ultimately though if he’s been offered new terms and won’t sign I do get it, even if it’s disappointing.
If he hadn’t come through our youth scheme and wasn’t a Villa fan, how many of us would be so bothered at selling him for 40m?
I just think that’s clouding our assessment of this.
We will probably replace him with Barnes.
Asensio with Morgan shifted to the wings again is my prediction.
Our best left midfielder is Ramsey. Through the middle, Rogers, and on the right, nobody…. So hopefully this B tier Fella from the French league can make that right side his own.
If he hadn’t come through our youth scheme and wasn’t a Villa fan, how many of us would be so bothered at selling him for 40m?
I just think that’s clouding our assessment of this.
If he hadn’t come through our youth scheme and wasn’t a Villa fan, how many of us would be so bothered at selling him for 40m?
I just think that’s clouding our assessment of this.
I disagree, I think his lack of involvement due to injury over the last couple of seasons is causing some downplaying of his potential.
Thing is though he’s made a choice hasn’t he, assuming what we’re told is true? It’s not like he’s being forced to go, he’s been offered terms - he could have stayed but he’s chosen not to.
I do get the frustration of home grown players being sold, but he’s making that choice by the sounds of it.
Really shit news that we are letting him go, really shit news that he wont sign up again, really shit news that we cant make the richest club in the world part with money that reflects his value.
Shit.
Really shit news that we are letting him go, really shit news that he wont sign up again, really shit news that we cant make the richest club in the world part with money that reflects his value.
Shit.
They're not rich if they can't spend the cash, they are hamstrung in the same way we are.
Thing is though he’s made a choice hasn’t he, assuming what we’re told is true? It’s not like he’s being forced to go, he’s been offered terms - he could have stayed but he’s chosen not to.
I do get the frustration of home grown players being sold, but he’s making that choice by the sounds of it.
And to quote Catch-22, how's that meant to make me feel better?
Maybe an overreaction but how much I care about the upcoming session has taken a real hit from this. £40m at current English prices to our most direct rivals who just happen also to be the embodiment of all evil.
Like, what's the point anymore? If I wanted to watch demonic tyrannical bastards rip the heart out everything in English life I like or care about, I already have reality. Following football these days just feels too much like the same sour shit as the rest of the news.
Fuck this honestly.
With a premium tax applicable because he's moving to a direct rival, in the PL, they are eye wateringly rich and have been turned down by most players who have ever laced a pair of boots, I'd say £60m would ease the pain a little.
A perfectly reasonable analogy.With a premium tax applicable because he's moving to a direct rival, in the PL, they are eye wateringly rich and have been turned down by most players who have ever laced a pair of boots, I'd say £60m would ease the pain a little.
We need money.
If I needed to sell my house to buy a new one more suitable to my needs, sure I could hang on and demand more money, but depending on my situation, I might just have to sell it to the only interested buyer for what they want to pay. So long as it allows me to buy my new house.
*not sure it’s a perfect analogy but I’m currently trying to sell my house and buy a new one
He wanted more money than was offered in multiple contracts
Therefore then decided he wanted to run contract down and assess options in each window
Club have had no choice to sell now - otherwise it’s like the Guehi situation where in a years time we’re getting half the amount vs now
Thing is though he’s made a choice hasn’t he, assuming what we’re told is true? It’s not like he’s being forced to go, he’s been offered terms - he could have stayed but he’s chosen not to.
I do get the frustration of home grown players being sold, but he’s making that choice by the sounds of it.
And to quote Catch-22, how's that meant to make me feel better?
Well I suppose the point is if he were so minded he’d be staying - so for whatever the issues are with modern football we’re not actively pursuing the sale of key homegrown talent. The option is there for them to pursue their career with Villa.
Good point, I didn’t point out that the house (Ramsey) is slowly falling apart (running down a contract) and will decrease in value each year.
This is about the Ramsey situation. My house isn’t falling apart. Promise. Anyone want to buy a house?
He could be worth a lot more, on the flip side a 3rd consecutive stop start season with 1 league goal and only 12 months left he'd be worth a lot less.
That's my view too. £40m may end up being cheap if he stays injury-free, but I'd be more upset if it were Rogers or Ollie leaving.
It's disappointing that we'll have no home grown academy players in the team this season. 40m is a decent fee but the fact is I'd rather see his name on the team sheet than Bailey or Buendia. Maybe it's the best business we can do, but I'm not going to be happy about it.
Not at all happy about this. His injury record is poor and I’m sure that must have had some bearing on the decision to offload.I'd imagine the fact he won't sign a contract and we'd get half as much for him next year is probably the biggest factor!
Many were saying the same when we sold Archer, best finisher at the club etc, he's spent 2 years struggling to hold down a starting place in the worst sides in the division. We were going to regret selling Aaron, whose done fuck all. Luiz, gone backwards. The list of players we regret selling in this set up is tiny compared to the list of the ones that showed we were right to move on.
He wants to go. He’s been in and out. We just need to maximise value.
When I see him in a Newcastle shirt it's going to cut me deep.This.
I don't think he's spent two years regressing. He's been really good at times, admittedly in patches, mostly last season but also left out of big games. We finished 4th without much contribution from him in 23/24.
His partnership with Moreno was a joy to behold but since the injuries, he hasn't blossomed in the way his mate Rogers has or anywhere close to it. I wonder if Morgan's ascent and Rashford coming in and taking his place at times, made his mind up. I'm also surprised that we haven't been presented any articles from Tanswell or Percy over the past few months about his reluctance to sign a new deal and that it's only being mentioned now.
One abiding memory of 23/24, our best season since the mid-90s, was when Ramsey came on as a sub at home to Brighton and scored an absolute peach as we hammered them 6-1. The goal just exuded class. He has that in his locker and we, frustratingly, haven't seen enough of it. He's dynamic, strong, very comfortable with the ball at his feet and it's going to be a pisser seeing him deliver the goods in a black and white shirt. I just hope he doesn't do it too often, per the last couple of years. The dream of three Ramsey boys in the same Villa team was alw ays pretty unlikely but hopefully Cole at least gets to emulate his brothers.
its £25m too lowHe wants to go. He’s been in and out. We just need to maximise value.
Yes, real shame this has happened but given he's got 2 years left, they are desperate and his potential, I think £40m is low for a regular in a top 5 team.
I don't understand?
He might be a Villa fan but I’ve always felt he’s been a bit of a sullen bugger the last couple of years. And he made that ‘it’s only the conference’ comment that Ezri pulled him up on.
It may be as simple as he fancies something different after 18 years at the club.
Even though he's a local lad amd been with us yonks I never feel he's a 'Villa man'. Whereas i'd say EmiM and SJM are.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Ramsey signing an improved contract Friday afternoon.
"It's only a Conference League game"
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Ramsey signing an improved contract Friday afternoon.yep, NUFC have missed out on all their targets so far this summer , nobody seems to want to go there .
What if his agent is just using Newcastle to get him a better payday here? Which is his job. Find market value, get market value. He’s only 24 and this has Albrighton part 2 written all over it. “Not Villa” is just insane. He was afraid to speak in front of a camera until a year or two ago. He hasn’t been forced on us from the media team so it may seem like he’s distant from the supporters.
He’s a great player and can still improve. If he leaves for Newcastle so be it, but to convince ourselves otherwise just isn’t grounded in fact.
I wouldn't castigate someone for a throwaway, jokey, comment. That was just typical Brummie self-deprecation, IMO.
What if his agent is just using Newcastle to get him a better payday here? Which is his job. Find market value, get market value. He’s only 24 and this has Albrighton part 2 written all over it. “Not Villa” is just insane. He was afraid to speak in front of a camera until a year or two ago. He hasn’t been forced on us from the media team so it may seem like he’s distant from the supporters.
He’s a great player and can still improve. If he leaves for Newcastle so be it, but to convince ourselves otherwise just isn’t grounded in fact.
Is this true? :(
What if his agent is just using Newcastle to get him a better payday here? Which is his job. Find market value, get market value. He’s only 24 and this has Albrighton part 2 written all over it. “Not Villa” is just insane. He was afraid to speak in front of a camera until a year or two ago. He hasn’t been forced on us from the media team so it may seem like he’s distant from the supporters.
He’s a great player and can still improve. If he leaves for Newcastle so be it, but to convince ourselves otherwise just isn’t grounded in fact.
Is this true? :(
Very noticeable he doesn't do much frontage unlike Rogers and others. Only time I remember much from him was his "it is only the conference" statement someone else shared from the back of the bus on the eve of the last match 22/23.
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Ramsey signing an improved contract Friday afternoon.yep, NUFC have missed out on all their targets so far this summer , nobody seems to want to go there .
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see Ramsey signing an improved contract Friday afternoon.yep, NUFC have missed out on all their targets so far this summer , nobody seems to want to go there .
They haven’t done a lot but did sign Elanga earlier in the window and have also added Ramsdale, presumably as a backup.
I wouldn't castigate someone for a throwaway, jokey, comment. That was just typical Brummie self-deprecation, IMO.
As a slight aside, anyone hear anything on Aaron's recovery and Burnley? He was on the bench right at the end of the season but don't know if he appeared in any friendlies.
As a slight aside, anyone hear anything on Aaron's recovery and Burnley? He was on the bench right at the end of the season but don't know if he appeared in any friendlies.
From The Guardian's pre-season analysis of Burnley’s prospects for the seaon
A big season for …
Aaron Ramsey suffered a serious knee injury against Arsenal in February 2024, and it has been a long road back for the former England under-20 international. Ramsey, younger brother of Aston Villa’s Jacob, joined Burnley for £14m plus add-ons in 2023 but has been restricted to one brief substitute appearance for the first team in the 18 months since his injury. “It’s easy to be forgotten about when you’re not on the pitch,” the attacking midfielder admitted last season. Now fit and with a pre-season behind him, the 22-year-old is on course for a welcome return.
Make of this whatever you want but this has come to me from someone very reliable.
I’ve been to Bodymoor Heath this arvo.
Damian Vidagany and Monchi were in a room with Ramsey and two other blokes.
It was very heated.
Then saw Ramsey walking round with the two blokes chatting things through.
Although I would point out we also had news from (different?) trusted sources of Kippax that people had done some serious injuries in training and of other sales, none of which happened. Not blaming Kippax, just that his sources have been not that good in the past.Make of this whatever you want but this has come to me from someone very reliable.
I’ve been to Bodymoor Heath this arvo.
Damian Vidagany and Monchi were in a room with Ramsey and two other blokes.
It was very heated.
Then saw Ramsey walking round with the two blokes chatting things through.
Interesting. Agents are the worst
I’m also hearing but less certain it’s us who want him to go not the other way round.But we have put a new contract deal on the table for him?
I’m also hearing but less certain it’s us who want him to go not the other way round.But we have put a new contract deal on the table for him?
Although I would point out we also had news from (different?) trusted sources of Kippax that people had done some serious injuries in training and of other sales, none of which happened. Not blaming Kippax, just that his sources have been not that good in the past.Make of this whatever you want but this has come to me from someone very reliable.
I’ve been to Bodymoor Heath this arvo.
Damian Vidagany and Monchi were in a room with Ramsey and two other blokes.
It was very heated.
Then saw Ramsey walking round with the two blokes chatting things through.
Interesting. Agents are the worst
Damian Vidagany and Monchi were in a room with Ramsey and two other blokes.
It was very heated.
This is not a case of Billy big bollix wanting to leave for champions league football bla bla. This is a Villa boy, who went to my school, who may be being used for the good of the club as a sacrificial sale. If he does leave he should be welcomed back in the future as one of our own, whichever shirt he is wearing at that time. I hope he stays. He has huge potential if he can stay fit.Spot on, I've seen a few posters immaturely all of a sudden turn on him "only conference" type quotes . Short memories . Let's hope we get his new deal over the line , if we don't , fair enough, the world will continue to turn but he will remain one of our own .
Damian Vidagany and Monchi were in a room with Ramsey and two other blokes.
It was very heated.
My money would be on Monchi, he wouldn't even need Damian's help.
Damian Vidagany and Monchi were in a room with Ramsey and two other blokes.
It was very heated.
My money would be on Monchi, he wouldn't even need Damian's help.
Monchi strikes me as the type who would lead the argument to a heated conclusion, then just as you're walking out of the door, say "By the way, how are the wife and kids?" and then stare at you.
I think this wouldnt surprise me. He would like to be paid like a top star, and the club dont see him quite at that level. Added to the fact that with Mings and Digne they seem to have changed the pay structure to a lower standard salary and they probably dont have too many options.I’m also hearing but less certain it’s us who want him to go not the other way round.But we have put a new contract deal on the table for him?
Yep. At a guess:
His last contract extension was April 22 when Ramsey was developing quickly into a first team regular and under Gerrard, who was a massive fan, so we'll have offered something befitting a player we thought was going to break into the England squad within 18months.
Since then he had a good season, starred for the England U21s and then hit a wall and hasn't even got back to where he was let alone developed further. Given he's now 24 he'll want his next contract to be a big pay rise and the assurance of regular starts that offers (to a degree) whereas for the club we probably want to extend his deal but not give the extra cash yet whilst we see if he can still take that next step to fulfil his potential. Assuming the £70k p/w is right I wouldn't be surprised if he's asking for £100k but we're not going above £80k and I don't think either side would be particularly wrong in their view either.
Quite a lot of speculation but very few facts.
I thought afternoon was abbreviated as avo.Arvo = afternoon
Spot on, I've seen a few posters immaturely all of a sudden turn on him "only conference" type quotes . Short memories . Let's hope we get his new deal over the line , if we don't , fair enough, the world will continue to turn but he will remain one of our own .
Damian Vidagany and Monchi were in a room with Ramsey and two other blokes.
It was very heated.
My money would be on Monchi, he wouldn't even need Damian's help.
Moxley reporting that JJ is up in Newcastle having medical today. Not sure how believable this is, but does look like it’s happening 🫤Even if it is happening, we need to spin it out until after lunchtime tomorrow.
Moxley reporting that JJ is up in Newcastle having medical today. Not sure how believable this is, but does look like it’s happening 🫤
Pretty sure we will maje sure he is not eligible for Saturday.Moxley reporting that JJ is up in Newcastle having medical today. Not sure how believable this is, but does look like it’s happening 🫤
He wouldn't be reporting that unless it's true - too specific. He's gone.
Wonder if he'll get booed on Saturday.
Depressing stuff.
I would rather lose Buendia AND Bailey if it meant keeping Ramsey.
I would rather lose Buendia AND Bailey if it meant keeping Ramsey.
All day long.
As gutting as this is I’m losing one of our own, it does seem that we have given him the opportunity to stay, so it’s not like we’ve pushed him out of the door.
As gutting as this is I’m losing one of our own, it does seem that we have given him the opportunity to stay, so it’s not like we’ve pushed him out of the door.
It’d be mad to sell him in time to play us.
As gutting as this is I’m losing one of our own, it does seem that we have given him the opportunity to stay, so it’s not like we’ve pushed him out of the door.
As I said last night, I heard it was the other way around. We might never know.
£38mil according to Sky a few mins ago.Now £43mil
As gutting as this is I’m losing one of our own, it does seem that we have given him the opportunity to stay, so it’s not like we’ve pushed him out of the door.
£38mil according to Sky a few mins ago.Now £43mil
As gutting as this is I’m losing one of our own, it does seem that we have given him the opportunity to stay, so it’s not like we’ve pushed him out of the door.
I'm not sure what was to be lost by either party for JJ to stay and review again in January or next summer. Solid season and he's still worth at least 40m, throw in a England cap or two along the way. Star season, of which I think he very, capable of, and his book value is far higher.
If there was only 12 months left I'd understand a take it or leave it deal but letting one of our biggest rivals have him for 40m beggars belief.
As gutting as this is I’m losing one of our own, it does seem that we have given him the opportunity to stay, so it’s not like we’ve pushed him out of the door.
I'm not sure what was to be lost by either party for JJ to stay and review again in January or next summer. Solid season and he's still worth at least 40m, throw in a England cap or two along the way. Star season, of which I think he very, capable of, and his book value is far higher.
If there was only 12 months left I'd understand a take it or leave it deal but letting one of our biggest rivals have him for 40m beggars belief.
As gutting as this is I’m losing one of our own, it does seem that we have given him the opportunity to stay, so it’s not like we’ve pushed him out of the door.
I'm not sure what was to be lost by either party for JJ to stay and review again in January or next summer. Solid season and he's still worth at least 40m, throw in a England cap or two along the way. Star season, of which I think he very, capable of, and his book value is far higher.
If there was only 12 months left I'd understand a take it or leave it deal but letting one of our biggest rivals have him for 40m beggars belief.
If Guessand can add a few goals then surely we’ll be better off than we have been for the last 2 seasons with Ramsey.
I’m not saying I wanted Ramsey to go as I rate him but simply that he’s been injured. I don’t see this making us worse off as much as we didn’t want him to go.
As gutting as this is I’m losing one of our own, it does seem that we have given him the opportunity to stay, so it’s not like we’ve pushed him out of the door.
I'm not sure what was to be lost by either party for JJ to stay and review again in January or next summer. Solid season and he's still worth at least 40m, throw in a England cap or two along the way. Star season, of which I think he very, capable of, and his book value is far higher.
If there was only 12 months left I'd understand a take it or leave it deal but letting one of our biggest rivals have him for 40m beggars belief.
Main downside of JJ leaving is one less spot in the A list.
If Guessand can add a few goals then surely we’ll be better off than we have been for the last 2 seasons with Ramsey.
I’m not saying I wanted Ramsey to go as I rate him but simply that he’s been injured. I don’t see this making us worse off as much as we didn’t want him to go.
He only missed 10 games last season, big improvement from almost a complete write off from the previous year.
His form was a bit mixed last season (Wolves away he had a shocker from memory) but for me it was more to get him confident in his body again. Liverpool away, our best player by miles until he limped off, you were wondering what his future was. He gave us much needed balance in the team that the likes of Rashford failed to on that side . The season before we tried loads there, likes of Zaniolo, Rogers, McGinn etc but nobody came remotely close to Ramsey the previous season. McGinn only got 1 x PL goal last season too but I don't see the stats merchants going on about it here. Playing wide in our midfield is a tough role that suits both JJ and McGinn perfectly.
Was it Brugge he came on and made a huge impact? Man City away he was stupidly replaced by Emery when playing really well and winning the peno. His general form certainly wasn't bad last season either.
The price changed in the space of minutes.£38mil according to Sky a few mins ago.Now £43mil
Probably with the add-ons.
Jack Grealish, he's one of our.....Cole Ramsey he’s one of our own
Philogene, he's one of our....
Cameron Archer, he's one of our...
Jacob Ramsey, he's one of our...
Sam Proctor, he's one of our own.
The price changed in the space of minutes.£38mil according to Sky a few mins ago.Now £43mil
Probably with the add-ons.
As gutting as this is I’m losing one of our own, it does seem that we have given him the opportunity to stay, so it’s not like we’ve pushed him out of the door.
I'm sure there will be one or two posting on here that Monchi is forcing the move and selling on the cheap so should be sacked by the club asap. They also posted the same about Duran (strangely not at the time) and then when we sold Martinez and Watkins.....
Im not really fussed either way about this one, I like him but after 5 years were still describing him as one with potential.
More concerning is thats £250m of academy graduates sold in 4 years and we can barely compete.
Some will think we've been robbed as they think he can get back to the player he was a couple of years ago, some will think 40m is more than decent for a player that hasn't contributed much for 2 years and and already has his best form behind him.
The price changed in the space of minutes.
Inflation is out of control.
The fee is £39M with £5M in “difficult” add ons. What exactly is difficult add ons? Like do we get that say if Newcastle somehow win the French first division?
Plus he turned down multiple contracts to stay with his boyhood club. So clearly we tried to make it work despite all our financial challenges and restrictions
sad day but the world will continue to turn .
sad day but the world will continue to turn .
I’m guessing we won’t sign the paperwork our end until after the Friday 12 noon deadline has passed for registering players for Saturdays game
Questions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.
Onana and Maatsen for the best part of £90M look like poor investmentsQuestions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.
Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.
Who is the best of our high spends? Most don’t seem to hit the heights as far as I can remember.Onana and Maatsen for the best part of £90M look like poor investmentsQuestions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.
Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.
Onana and Maatsen for the best part of £90M look like poor investmentsQuestions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.
Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.
The fee is about right. He's a sub for the most part. He only scored 1 league goal last season. He's not pushed on as he might have mainly down to injuries. He's not a prospect anymore at 24.
The fee is about right. He's a sub for the most part. He only scored 1 league goal last season. He's not pushed on as he might have mainly down to injuries. He's not a prospect anymore at 24. It's obviously shit that we can't keep a hold of a player that does add value when he plays but it's not like we're selling what most would consider a starter.
Onana and Maatsen for the best part of £90M look like poor investmentsQuestions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.
Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.
I disagree with this. I think both are excellent players signed for the going rate.
Onana and Maatsen for the best part of £90M look like poor investmentsQuestions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.
Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.
I disagree with this. I think both are excellent players signed for the going rate.
Yeah, to me they both have improved and will continue improving. Onana has been a little fragile, but I can see exactly why we’ve purchased him. Maatsen initially didn’t appear to enjoy defending but certainly seems more tenacious and disciplined now . I do not have doubts about them anymore.
Watkins / Konsa / Mings ?Who is the best of our high spends? Most don’t seem to hit the heights as far as I can remember.Onana and Maatsen for the best part of £90M look like poor investmentsQuestions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.
Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.
Some on here found fault when we put 7 past Liverpool. They're just bores sadly.
Some on here found fault when we put 7 past Liverpool. They're just bores sadly.
Here are your top 20 (from Transfermarkt - in euros)Watkins / Konsa / Mings ?Who is the best of our high spends? Most don’t seem to hit the heights as far as I can remember.Onana and Maatsen for the best part of £90M look like poor investmentsQuestions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.
Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.
We now have McGinn or Rogers to play there, neither who are comfortable there.
Questions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.
Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.
some names on there you quickly gloss overHere are your top 20 (from Transfermarkt - in euros)Watkins / Konsa / Mings ?Who is the best of our high spends? Most don’t seem to hit the heights as far as I can remember.Onana and Maatsen for the best part of £90M look like poor investmentsQuestions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.
Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.
1 Amadou Onana €59.35m
2 Moussa Diaby €55.00m
3 Ian Maatsen €44.50m
4 Emi Buendía €38.40m
5 Ollie Watkins €34.00m
6 Pau Torres €33.00m
7 Leon Bailey €32.00m
8 Diego Carlos €31.00m
9 Lucas Digne €30.00m
10 Evann Guessand €30.00m
11 Jhon Durán €29.50m
12 Danny Ings €29.40m
13 Donyell Malen €25.00m
14 Wesley Moraes €25.00m
15 Tyrone Mings €22.30m
16 Darren Bent €21.50m
17 Philippe Coutinho €20.00m
18 Bertrand Traoré €18.40m
19 Emiliano Martínez €17.40m
20 Douglas Luiz €16.80m
We now have McGinn or Rogers to play there, neither who are comfortable there.
Did we sell Guessand already?
I'm not buying into all this negativity about Ramsey leaving. Based on what he's contributed over the last 2 season’s - all we're losing is the square root of bugger all.
Put "he's one of our own" sentiment aside, if he'd been signed on a free as an 18yr old from say Wolves, everyone would be saying that it's a great deal.
My instructions to Monchi & Co: You did it once, now do it again - find another Morgan Rogers. But instead of £12+3m you can have £15+3m this time.
Or more correctly, we'll have the superior Rogers playing for us while they have JJ. Comparing Onana to him is strange as he wasn't signed to do the kind of thing JJ does, or did.
Unfortuantely - this is what football has become. Its shit - and is basically just the latest installment into turning Premier League Football into WWE Wrestling. It isnt the same sport that any of us fell in love with.
The problem is it isnt actually a sport anymore, its light entertainment. Content. Football isn't measured by homegrown talent, or fairness, or the quality of the game. Its measured in likes and clicks. They want any kind integrity removed from it so it can be packaged and streamed to as many people as possible. The world wants to see Man Utd v Liverpool every week. And we're just bit part players in the story.
I understand the reasons for this but I'm still mightily pissed off, I understood the reasons for Jack going and that was kind of inevitable given where we were and where he went. This just seems so avoidable. I'm not entirely convinced the hierarchies of clubs understand the connection between fans and players who have come through our system, or they understand it well enough and don't care.It was avoidable if he was prepared to sign a contract. This is down to him / his agent valuing him higher than Villa did.
I understand the reasons for this but I'm still mightily pissed off, I understood the reasons for Jack going and that was kind of inevitable given where we were and where he went. This just seems so avoidable. I'm not entirely convinced the hierarchies of clubs understand the connection between fans and players who have come through our system, or they understand it well enough and don't care.
One day we will get our business done sooner into the transfer window.........This mean Asensio is coming back? I am out of the loop villa wise
Some on here found fault when we put 7 past Liverpool. They're just bores sadly.
I think a lot is to do with the sudden rise of Rogers - I don't think they were anticipating that when he signed. And on most measurements he has surpassed Ramsey.I agree, but this only works if Rogers plays on the left
4 out of ten, sorry bore out of ten.
Just had a quick peek at a Newcastle forum and they're pretty excited over there. Probably just happy to have found someone out there finally willing to sign for them.
Unfortuantely - this is what football has become. Its shit - and is basically just the latest installment into turning Premier League Football into WWE Wrestling. It isnt the same sport that any of us fell in love with.
The problem is it isnt actually a sport anymore, its light entertainment. Content. Football isn't measured by homegrown talent, or fairness, or the quality of the game. Its measured in likes and clicks. They want any kind integrity removed from it so it can be packaged and streamed to as many people as possible. The world wants to see Man Utd v Liverpool every week. And we're just bit part players in the story.
Here are your top 20 (from Transfermarkt - in euros)
1 Amadou Onana €59.35m
2 Moussa Diaby €55.00m
3 Ian Maatsen €44.50m
4 Emi Buendía €38.40m
5 Ollie Watkins €34.00m
6 Pau Torres €33.00m
7 Leon Bailey €32.00m
8 Diego Carlos €31.00m
9 Lucas Digne €30.00m
10 Evann Guessand €30.00m
11 Jhon Durán €29.50m
12 Danny Ings €29.40m
13 Donyell Malen €25.00m
14 Wesley Moraes €25.00m
15 Tyrone Mings €22.30m
16 Darren Bent €21.50m
17 Philippe Coutinho €20.00m
18 Bertrand Traoré €18.40m
19 Emiliano Martínez €17.40m
20 Douglas Luiz €16.80m
some names on there you quickly gloss over
I think the modern football angle has some validity.Unfortuantely - this is what football has become. Its shit - and is basically just the latest installment into turning Premier League Football into WWE Wrestling. It isnt the same sport that any of us fell in love with.
The problem is it isnt actually a sport anymore, its light entertainment. Content. Football isn't measured by homegrown talent, or fairness, or the quality of the game. Its measured in likes and clicks. They want any kind integrity removed from it so it can be packaged and streamed to as many people as possible. The world wants to see Man Utd v Liverpool every week. And we're just bit part players in the story.
I don’t get this ‘modern football is shit’ angle. Since when have we not sold our best players?
Just had a quick peek at a Newcastle forum and they're pretty excited over there. Probably just happy to have found someone out there finally willing to sign for them.
They should be, they're signing one of our most exciting prospects.
Just had a quick peek at a Newcastle forum and they're pretty excited over there. Probably just happy to have found someone out there finally willing to sign for them.
They should be, they're signing one of our most exciting prospects.
Just had a quick peek at a Newcastle forum and they're pretty excited over there. Probably just happy to have found someone out there finally willing to sign for them.
They should be, they're signing one of our most exciting prospects.
Although some were giving it the £40mil for 2 goals and injury prone/ we can do better.
As with our signings, the show reel accompanying him would get lots excited.
Unfortuantely - this is what football has become. Its shit - and is basically just the latest installment into turning Premier League Football into WWE Wrestling. It isnt the same sport that any of us fell in love with.
The problem is it isnt actually a sport anymore, its light entertainment. Content. Football isn't measured by homegrown talent, or fairness, or the quality of the game. Its measured in likes and clicks. They want any kind integrity removed from it so it can be packaged and streamed to as many people as possible. The world wants to see Man Utd v Liverpool every week. And we're just bit part players in the story.
I don’t get this ‘modern football is shit’ angle. Since when have we not sold our best players?
He's 24 with more than 150 first team appearances, he's not a prospect. 4 years ago he was a prospect.
11 Jhon Durán €29.50m
wrong
11 Jhon Durán €29.50m
wrong
Don't think it is. We gave them around £15m, various add-ons were hit for another few million, and 10% sell-on when we sold him.
Onana and Maatsen for the best part of £90M look like poor investmentsQuestions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.
Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.
I disagree with this. I think both are excellent players signed for the going rate.
Yeah, to me they both have improved and will continue improving. Onana has been a little fragile, but I can see exactly why we’ve purchased him. Maatsen initially didn’t appear to enjoy defending but certainly seems more tenacious and disciplined now . I do not have doubts about them anymore.
Count yourself lucky to have missed our last game at Old Trafford. Both were impossibly useless.
Also using the Manu match when pretty much the only player to be anything other then Shit was Emi, but he stored all the crapness up for the 45th minute.
11 Jhon Durán €29.50m
wrong
Don't think it is. We gave them around £15m, various add-ons were hit for another few million, and 10% sell-on when we sold him.
These are the figures reported at the time, so not far off assuming he hit the clauses, which I suspect he did.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64379882
We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.
| 🆚 Premier League Stats Comparison: Ramsey vs Bailey Stat Jacob Ramsey Leon Bailey Matches Played 29 24 Minutes Played 1631 1140 Starts 19 14 Goals 1 1 Assists 3 2 Goal Contributions (G+A) 4 3 |
We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.
Not sure about that at all. No matter what we sell players for, it's not worth all that much if the funds aren't reinvested to make the team better.
Grealish - replaced by Ings, Bailey and Buendia. Frankly a disaster that cost Deano his job, still trying to get rid of two of the three of them.
Luiz - yes Tielemans did a great job replacing his influence as our playmaker last season but Luiz was replaced in the squad by Onana, I'll be kind and say a dud thus far.
Ings, yes and credit to Emery there. Hard decision but Watkins thrived immediately without him and Ings was done.
Duran - big profit made on him but it's all relative. He was a ready made Watkins replacement and we are now more reliant on Ollie than ever.
Diaby - maybe Malen will provide that direct pace option he brought, Rogers has stepped into the breach with more potential to be fair.
Targett - was it Digne who replaced him? Fine I guess, cheers Stevie G
We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.
Not sure about that at all. No matter what we sell players for, it's not worth all that much if the funds aren't reinvested to make the team better.
Duran - big profit made on him but it's all relative. He was a ready made Watkins replacement and we are now more reliant on Ollie than ever.
Diaby - maybe Malen will provide that direct pace option he brought, Rogers has stepped into the breach with more potential to be fair.
We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.
Not sure about that at all. No matter what we sell players for, it's not worth all that much if the funds aren't reinvested to make the team better.
Grealish - replaced by Ings, Bailey and Buendia. Frankly a disaster that cost Deano his job, still trying to get rid of two of the three of them.
Luiz - yes Tielemans did a great job replacing his influence as our playmaker last season but Luiz was replaced in the squad by Onana, I'll be kind and say a dud thus far.
Ings, yes and credit to Emery there. Hard decision but Watkins thrived immediately without him and Ings was done.
Duran - big profit made on him but it's all relative. He was a ready made Watkins replacement and we are now more reliant on Ollie than ever.
Diaby - maybe Malen will provide that direct pace option he brought, Rogers has stepped into the breach with more potential to be fair.
Targett - was it Digne who replaced him? Fine I guess, cheers Stevie G
Our recruitment the last few years has not been great
We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.
Not sure about that at all. No matter what we sell players for, it's not worth all that much if the funds aren't reinvested to make the team better.
Grealish - replaced by Ings, Bailey and Buendia. Frankly a disaster that cost Deano his job, still trying to get rid of two of the three of them.
Luiz - yes Tielemans did a great job replacing his influence as our playmaker last season but Luiz was replaced in the squad by Onana, I'll be kind and say a dud thus far.
Ings, yes and credit to Emery there. Hard decision but Watkins thrived immediately without him and Ings was done.
Duran - big profit made on him but it's all relative. He was a ready made Watkins replacement and we are now more reliant on Ollie than ever.
Diaby - maybe Malen will provide that direct pace option he brought, Rogers has stepped into the breach with more potential to be fair.
Targett - was it Digne who replaced him? Fine I guess, cheers Stevie G
Our recruitment the last few years has not been great
Yeah, I reckon going from a squad which survived immediate relegation back to the Championship on the last day of the season, to being in the QF of the Champions League five years after, that has been some proper shit recruitment.
I mean, honestly, that's a Tim level post. Worse, even.
We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.
Not sure about that at all. No matter what we sell players for, it's not worth all that much if the funds aren't reinvested to make the team better.
Duran - big profit made on him but it's all relative. He was a ready made Watkins replacement and we are now more reliant on Ollie than ever.
Why is it 'all relative'?
We bought him, had him score some important goals, and then sold him for a massive profit. I thought you said this was poor recruitment?QuoteDiaby - maybe Malen will provide that direct pace option he brought, Rogers has stepped into the breach with more potential to be fair.
And where did Rogers come from? He didn't just fall out of the sky.
We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.
Not sure about that at all. No matter what we sell players for, it's not worth all that much if the funds aren't reinvested to make the team better.
Duran - big profit made on him but it's all relative. He was a ready made Watkins replacement and we are now more reliant on Ollie than ever.
Why is it 'all relative'?
We bought him, had him score some important goals, and then sold him for a massive profit. I thought you said this was poor recruitment?QuoteDiaby - maybe Malen will provide that direct pace option he brought, Rogers has stepped into the breach with more potential to be fair.
And where did Rogers come from? He didn't just fall out of the sky.
We still haven't recruited Duran's replacement, not to mind Ollie's. That's my point. We banked a big profit on JD, so what?
We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.
Not sure about that at all. No matter what we sell players for, it's not worth all that much if the funds aren't reinvested to make the team better.
Grealish - replaced by Ings, Bailey and Buendia. Frankly a disaster that cost Deano his job, still trying to get rid of two of the three of them.
Luiz - yes Tielemans did a great job replacing his influence as our playmaker last season but Luiz was replaced in the squad by Onana, I'll be kind and say a dud thus far.
Ings, yes and credit to Emery there. Hard decision but Watkins thrived immediately without him and Ings was done.
Duran - big profit made on him but it's all relative. He was a ready made Watkins replacement and we are now more reliant on Ollie than ever.
Diaby - maybe Malen will provide that direct pace option he brought, Rogers has stepped into the breach with more potential to be fair.
Targett - was it Digne who replaced him? Fine I guess, cheers Stevie G
Our recruitment the last few years has not been great
Yeah, I reckon going from a squad which survived immediate relegation back to the Championship on the last day of the season, to being in the QF of the Champions League five years after, that has been some proper shit recruitment.
I mean, honestly, that's a Tim level post. Worse, even.
Our recruitment the last few years has not been great
Yeah, I reckon going from a squad which survived immediate relegation back to the Championship on the last day of the season, to being in the QF of the Champions League five years after, that has been some proper shit recruitment.
I mean, honestly, that's a Tim level post. Worse, even.
Both tend to agree on things. I think it’s a bit of a mad take to say our recruitment hasn’t been up to much - we have an incredibly high hit rate.
We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.
Not sure about that at all. No matter what we sell players for, it's not worth all that much if the funds aren't reinvested to make the team better.
Grealish - replaced by Ings, Bailey and Buendia. Frankly a disaster that cost Deano his job, still trying to get rid of two of the three of them.
Luiz - yes Tielemans did a great job replacing his influence as our playmaker last season but Luiz was replaced in the squad by Onana, I'll be kind and say a dud thus far.
Ings, yes and credit to Emery there. Hard decision but Watkins thrived immediately without him and Ings was done.
Duran - big profit made on him but it's all relative. He was a ready made Watkins replacement and we are now more reliant on Ollie than ever.
Diaby - maybe Malen will provide that direct pace option he brought, Rogers has stepped into the breach with more potential to be fair.
Targett - was it Digne who replaced him? Fine I guess, cheers Stevie G
I’m very much counting trading out as different to trading in although I would take the point that they directly correlate.
But following that view, based on the above:
• Grealish- you have to factor in the pure profit element. Plus, without doing the maths, I wonder how close it is on goals/assist from the 3 recruited players VS just Grealish. The wages also.
• Tielemans was the Luiz replacement and that’s been an upgrade.
• Ings was replaced with Duran. A better longer term prospect as evidenced by his progress and finally sale amount.
• Duran was great business. I doubt anyone will get anywhere close to what we got during the rest of his career. His behaviour effectively forced our hand. With a bit more patience on his part, he could have legitimately been our number one striker by now.
• Diaby - not quite sure who directly replaced him. Combination of Rodgers/Malen?
• Targett replaced with Digne - massive upgrade.
Don’t forget Philogene (“thinks that, I am on the one” -will get my coat).
Your post is verging on abusive. Please apologize to Tim. Mods, have a word.
Nobody mentioned the words “proper shit recruitment”.
Please also mind your manners .
Your post is verging on abusive. Please apologize to Tim. Mods, have a word.
Nobody mentioned the words “proper shit recruitment”.
Please also mind your manners .
I suppose comparing you to Tim does deserve an apology, I don't think Tim has repeatedly advised us to sell a current World Cup winner and two time Yashin holder yet. But he did always advocate we should get Bamford in so swings and roundabouts.
Don’t get personal. Be civil and keep it to football.
We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.
Not sure about that at all. No matter what we sell players for, it's not worth all that much if the funds aren't reinvested to make the team better.
Grealish - replaced by Ings, Bailey and Buendia. Frankly a disaster that cost Deano his job, still trying to get rid of two of the three of them.
Luiz - yes Tielemans did a great job replacing his influence as our playmaker last season but Luiz was replaced in the squad by Onana, I'll be kind and say a dud thus far.
Ings, yes and credit to Emery there. Hard decision but Watkins thrived immediately without him and Ings was done.
Duran - big profit made on him but it's all relative. He was a ready made Watkins replacement and we are now more reliant on Ollie than ever.
Diaby - maybe Malen will provide that direct pace option he brought, Rogers has stepped into the breach with more potential to be fair.
Targett - was it Digne who replaced him? Fine I guess, cheers Stevie G
I’m very much counting trading out as different to trading in although I would take the point that they directly correlate.
But following that view, based on the above:
• Grealish- you have to factor in the pure profit element. Plus, without doing the maths, I wonder how close it is on goals/assist from the 3 recruited players VS just Grealish. The wages also.
• Tielemans was the Luiz replacement and that’s been an upgrade.
• Ings was replaced with Duran. A better longer term prospect as evidenced by his progress and finally sale amount.
• Duran was great business. I doubt anyone will get anywhere close to what we got during the rest of his career. His behaviour effectively forced our hand. With a bit more patience on his part, he could have legitimately been our number one striker by now.
• Diaby - not quite sure who directly replaced him. Combination of Rodgers/Malen?
• Targett replaced with Digne - massive upgrade.
Don’t forget Philogene (“thinks that, I am on the one” -will get my coat).
That pure profit argument is one I hate to be honest and no doubt it's the same reason why Ramsey was sold today. Grealish was a bad sale for us, maybe not the best buy for Citeh either. Spurs & Bale comes to mind.
We can agree to disagree on Luiz/Tielemans, for a lot of last season plenty were worried about where our goal threat from midfield had disappeared to. They both played well together too with Tielemans higher up. Onana simply can't play that role so it's a net loss there. Onana for me was just poorly scouted and we way overpaid for him.
I agree on Duran, he was impossible to manage so had to go. But the reality is our forward line last season was far stronger than it looks now.
I think Emerys recruitment has been good rather than spectacular, Rogers obviously the stand out. But his main strength has been coaching, tactical instruction and man management in turning around a core of underperforming players. McGinn, Mings, Cash, Digne, Luiz, Tielemans (signed but he was in hibernation), Watkins. Id love to have seen how he could have really got JJ going this season.
I'm. Not convinced that Ramsey will go on to be the world beater we thought he would. Then again, a new start might just give him the motivation. I don't think it was ever going to happen here.
Don’t get personal. Be civil and keep it to football.
You are talking about football, the talk you do is wrong. I'm commenting that it is a wrong the same as Paulie. I haven't called YOU as a person anything.
That’s also personal and infers that whatever Tim says is not worthy.
You’re conflating some things though Bronte. What we did with Duran is very strong recruitment, you buy low and either have picked up a talent who could augment the team or you move them on for a huge profit. Our forward line being weaker currently, is about the constraints related to UEFA competition, specifically the one placed on us in respect of the “A” squad.
That’s also personal and infers that whatever Tim says is not worthy.
It isn’t.
You’re conflating some things though Bronte. What we did with Duran is very strong recruitment, you buy low and either have picked up a talent who could augment the team or you move them on for a huge profit. Our forward line being weaker currently, is about the constraints related to UEFA competition, specifically the one placed on us in respect of the “A” squad.
Exactly this.
You’re conflating some things though Bronte. What we did with Duran is very strong recruitment, you buy low and either have picked up a talent who could augment the team or you move them on for a huge profit. Our forward line being weaker currently, is about the constraints related to UEFA competition, specifically the one placed on us in respect of the “A” squad.
Exactly this.
Totally. Duran and Rogers have been the bright spots of our recruitment in the last few seasons.
Spot on. Our recruitment the last few years has not been great, and changing this is our route to a brighter future. People ask how can we compete with the likes of Liverpool and city etc? Well, think of Bournemouth, Brighton , Palace , Brentford and forest who have had even less transfer budget and don’t /can’t pay the kind of wages we do. What must they be thinking?
It will be interesting where he plays though (or who he replaces in the squad). He plays left wing / left midfield for us so you assume similar for them. First choice there is Gordan/Barnes for the wing. Midfield behind is normally Joelinton, Tonali and Guimarães. My guess will be Joelinton's position will be shared with JJ, although the former did go from a very shit striker to quiet a decent midfielder in that position. Of course whilst Isak if playing silly buggers, Gordan is forward so a further spot is open for JJ at the moment. Howe has also done a lot of experimentation with 3-5-3 with Livramento as wingback.
I think it’s probably reasonably straightforward - did we actively want to sell JJ? Probably not. But equally we’re in a position where virtually anyone, if not everyone, is sellable under the right conditions. In this case JJ was offered terms, but we couldn’t meet in the middle - he had a view of his value and our view differed. Therefore selling now is right for all parties.
We're the cheating bastards managing 4 seasons of European football in only 3 seasons.Maybe Paulie has psychic powers and knows we're guaranteed to qualify again?
You’re conflating some things though Bronte. What we did with Duran is very strong recruitment, you buy low and either have picked up a talent who could augment the team or you move them on for a huge profit. Our forward line being weaker currently, is about the constraints related to UEFA competition, specifically the one placed on us in respect of the “A” squad.
Exactly this.
Totally. Duran and Rogers have been the bright spots of our recruitment in the last few seasons.
Yeah, but what I was saying was that you saying:Spot on. Our recruitment the last few years has not been great, and changing this is our route to a brighter future. People ask how can we compete with the likes of Liverpool and city etc? Well, think of Bournemouth, Brighton , Palace , Brentford and forest who have had even less transfer budget and don’t /can’t pay the kind of wages we do. What must they be thinking?
Doesn't stand up to analysis because:
1. We've somehow managed to engage in 'not great' recruitment and yet manage to reach the QF of the Champions League and the semi final of another European competition, qualify for Europe 4 years on the bounce, and finish in the top six on more than one occasion.
So how can it be 'not great', given that?
and:
2. You then referred to those other clubs and their view of what we do, when we have to do exactly the sort of thing they do - ie buy and sell players for profit - and that's the very fact that currently leads us to doing stuff like selling Ramsey.
I do apologise for comparing you to Tim, though, that was a pretty low blow.
You said “ I suppose comparing you to Tim does deserve an apology”
That is reference to me. (Not my opinions )
The idea of Bailey being a bad signing is odd too. Yes disappointing his form hasn’t matched the year before last in his time at Villa. But that one year he was one of the best players in the league and was essential in us finishing top 4. That alone, without whatever we sell him for, is net positive in terms of value.
Yep, Grealish has scored loads against us.
On balance it is good business - I just hope we are able to flex some muscle with the proceeds.
He maybe thought he was never going to be first choice. It's always sad to see a homegrown lad go, but with Buendia I guess Unai has seen something different as to how we can attack.
Good luck to him - needs a good run being injury free.
What are you afraid of? Zombies, heights, sharks, zombie sharks high up?
On balance it is good business - I just hope we are able to flex some muscle with the proceeds.
He maybe thought he was never going to be first choice. It's always sad to see a homegrown lad go, but with Buendia I guess Unai has seen something different as to how we can attack.
Good luck to him - needs a good run being injury free.
I would rather have ramsey over buendia i am afraid..
If it's the last one, I recommend you don't watch the film 'Tower Dwelling Zombie Sharks', as you probably won't sleep aftwewards.
What are you afraid of? Zombies, heights, sharks, zombie sharks high up?
Not a fan of heights and waking up next to gemma Collins
On balance it is good business - I just hope we are able to flex some muscle with the proceeds.
He maybe thought he was never going to be first choice. It's always sad to see a homegrown lad go, but with Buendia I guess Unai has seen something different as to how we can attack.
Good luck to him - needs a good run being injury free.
I would rather have ramsey over buendia i am afraid..
Pretty sure if Newcastle were offering us £40m for Buendia we'd probably be doing that deal instead.
Unfortunately they're not.
On balance it is good business - I just hope we are able to flex some muscle with the proceeds.
He maybe thought he was never going to be first choice. It's always sad to see a homegrown lad go, but with Buendia I guess Unai has seen something different as to how we can attack.
Good luck to him - needs a good run being injury free.
I would rather have ramsey over buendia i am afraid..
Pretty sure if Newcastle were offering us £40m for Buendia we'd probably be doing that deal instead.
Unfortunately they're not.
If it's the last one, I recommend you don't watch the film 'Tower Dwelling Zombie Sharks', as you probably won't sleep aftwewards.
I actually googled that expecting it to be a real film knowing your liking of z-list horror and some certain studios liking for making those movies.
Zombie Shark is real. No Tower Shark although there was The Haunting Of Shark Tower, but that was just a documentary.
However there are Zombie Sharks in Minecraft which could potentially go into a made tower.....
Well that was bigger etc etc
Selling an academy player because it’s incentivised by PSR! Woooo!
It could be worse imagine how much sick Newcastle fans have in their mouths over Isak.
On balance it is good business - I just hope we are able to flex some muscle with the proceeds.
He maybe thought he was never going to be first choice. It's always sad to see a homegrown lad go, but with Buendia I guess Unai has seen something different as to how we can attack.
Good luck to him - needs a good run being injury free.
I would rather have ramsey over buendia i am afraid..
Pretty sure if Newcastle were offering us £40m for Buendia we'd probably be doing that deal instead.
Unfortunately they're not.
So you agree with me we are weaker with buendia than ramsey
I doubt we could get even half of that for buendia
This is the annoying factor . But the world will continue to turn . There is no loyalty in the game as we all know full well .Just had a quick peek at a Newcastle forum and they're pretty excited over there. Probably just happy to have found someone out there finally willing to sign for them.
They should be, they're signing one of our most exciting prospects.
On balance it is good business - I just hope we are able to flex some muscle with the proceeds.
He maybe thought he was never going to be first choice. It's always sad to see a homegrown lad go, but with Buendia I guess Unai has seen something different as to how we can attack.
Good luck to him - needs a good run being injury free.
I would rather have ramsey over buendia i am afraid..
Pretty sure if Newcastle were offering us £40m for Buendia we'd probably be doing that deal instead.
Unfortunately they're not.
So you agree with me we are weaker with buendia than ramsey
I doubt we could get even half of that for buendia
It's hardly a controversial take.
People are quoting Ramsey's average goal/assists return. There are players though that just pass the eye test in how they play and contribute to their team. At his best, he drives us forward, commits defenders, has an eye for a pass and has great feet.
He's been usurped by his mate Morgan but there are games where Rogers has played awful yet pulled an assist or goal out of the bag. On balance Rogers is the stronger player now but Ramsey is a fine footballer and Howe will know that he can bring guile to a team that are flat-track bullies and reliant on wing-play for a lot of their attacks.
sad state of affairs, who goes next summer - Rogers ?
A couple of Easters ago, my lad was just hanging around our high st with his mates, when Emery and the Villa 1st team turned up for an Italian meal. My lad and his mates nearly exploded with excitement, they were 13 at the time. Ive got photo’s of him with Bert, Beundia (he said he was moody), Konsa, Cash, Martinez (one for the ages) and Ramsey. Out of all the players he had a photo with, he loved the one with Ramsey the most, local hero, said he was really friendly etc.
i got home last night from travelling for work for a few days and my boy os really gutted about JJ and the fact we’ve seemingly had to sell him.
As all players who decide to leave Villa, he’s gone for me now, but the local lad leaving element can’t be understated really.
A couple of Easters ago, my lad was just hanging around our high st with his mates, when Emery and the Villa 1st team turned up for an Italian meal. My lad and his mates nearly exploded with excitement, they were 13 at the time. Ive got photo’s of him with Bert, Beundia (he said he was moody), Konsa, Cash, Martinez (one for the ages) and Ramsey. Out of all the players he had a photo with, he loved the one with Ramsey the most, local hero, said he was really friendly etc.
i got home last night from travelling for work for a few days and my boy os really gutted about JJ and the fact we’ve seemingly had to sell him.
As all players who decide to leave Villa, he’s gone for me now, but the local lad leaving element can’t be understated really.
My lad is a bit gutted too. Another shirt to ditch to go with Coutinho, Grealish. Thank fuck we kept Watkins and Martinez, that's all I'm saying.
Sadly.sad state of affairs, who goes next summer - Rogers ?
If he has a season like last one or better, I'm absolutely convinced he'll be off. I'm surprised he hasn't been sold already to be honest. That's not a criticism of the club or player either, just the obvious, cold hard reality of where we sit in the modern-day pecking order and the rules that keep it that way.
i got home last night from travelling for work for a few days and my boy os really gutted about JJ and the fact we’ve seemingly had to sell him. As all players who decide to leave Villa, he’s gone for me now, but the local lad leaving element can’t be understated really.
Seems fair enough, he is a squad player here for all his potential. I don’t think he gets in the best 11, certainly not based on the last couple of years.
And he wouldn't sign a new contract.i got home last night from travelling for work for a few days and my boy os really gutted about JJ and the fact we’ve seemingly had to sell him. As all players who decide to leave Villa, he’s gone for me now, but the local lad leaving element can’t be understated really.
Aye, I think this is it, just a feeling of sadness that a lad who has spent all his career here, and was good enough to play CL football with us, and excel at it, has to go to satisfy some arcane bureaucratic rules.
Yep, but then again, how many players go on to bigger and better things after leaving us?
Ramsey has had two semi finals, a Champions League quarter, finished 4th, 6th and 7th in the Premier League, is he really going to do much better with Newcastle? We're talking increments now, which is why last season's Top 4 have all gone out and had to spend a fortune, they've seen what we, Newcastle, Forest, Palace etc have done and are shitting it.
Also look how much Omari Hutchings is going for, almost the same amount but less proven (albeit a bit younger).
Ipswich turned down Brentford's offer of £35m because they wanted it all up front. Brentford had to wait til they sold Mbuemo, in the meantime Marinakis blundered into Suffolk with suitcases of scruffy tenners and the boy is on his way to Nottingham.
And he wouldn't sign a new contract.i got home last night from travelling for work for a few days and my boy os really gutted about JJ and the fact we’ve seemingly had to sell him. As all players who decide to leave Villa, he’s gone for me now, but the local lad leaving element can’t be understated really.
Aye, I think this is it, just a feeling of sadness that a lad who has spent all his career here, and was good enough to play CL football with us, and excel at it, has to go to satisfy some arcane bureaucratic rules.
Maybe he wants to leave, maybe he wants more a lot more money than we think he's worth, maybe we think he's going to have significant future injury issues. There's any number of reasons he could be leaving besides just financial rules.Yes, All of this.
Maybe he wants to leave, maybe he wants more a lot more money than we think he's worth, maybe we think he's going to have significant future injury issues. There's any number of reasons he could be leaving besides just financial rules.
Mr Steal Mytoilet has his say on the Beeb
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c70xjdl0ye1o
I thought it might be more of an opening for Jimoh-Aloba
If he had another season like the last 2 he'd be worth a lot less. Why not think about that as well? Or again, maybe he wants to leave. Should we keep a player that doesn't want to be here?
If he had another season like the last 2 he'd be worth a lot less. Why not think about that as well? Or again, maybe he wants to leave. Should we keep a player that doesn't want to be here?
Any player can get seriously injured. He wasn't that bad last season in any case (performances when fit or fitness wise). Anyway it's done.
That didn't answer either of the things I said. What would his value be after another season like the last 2 abd with 12 months left on his contract?
Mr Steal Mytoilet has his say on the Beeb
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/c70xjdl0ye1o
The Barcodes will sing his song at us tomorrow so be brave and no sobbing on the Brum canals, okay?
In the cold light of day, we have just sold a squad player for £40m.Lets be honest he was a bit more than just a squad player . Lets not be in denial .
Maybe, but that is exactly how Unai has used him.True, same can be said for a few of them . It is a squad game now so important .
He wants to go and the way I see it is we’re getting a good fee. He’s talented, but for a variety of reasons he has stalled. This move might release his potential or he may have topped out as a good Premier League player. No shame in that, but the move probably makes sense for all parties.
I change my opinion roughly every hour on this sale.
He wants to go and the way I see it is we’re getting a good fee. He’s talented, but for a variety of reasons he has stalled. This move might release his potential or he may have topped out as a good Premier League player. No shame in that, but the move probably makes sense for all parties.
Yep, as much as you like someone and hope they stay, the moment they actually want out, that’s it. Cheerio, off you trott
It was the injury plus the ridiculous emergence of Rogers too.
BBC Football wanking over the idea of Villa being a selling club and back where we should be. Ramsey meanwhile, is stepping up to the next level. To a club who win a domestic trophy every 70 years...
BBC Football wanking over the idea of Villa being a selling club and back where we should be. Ramsey meanwhile, is stepping up to the next level. To a club who win a domestic trophy every 70 years...
Would like to know where you are getting that from? Their own chief football writer has us finishing 5th for example and Chris Sutton has us winning 2-1 the weekend.
I change my opinion roughly every hour on this sale.
I'm with you, ultimately I think it's 'a bit of a shame'. Could look like twats, could look like solid business, time will tell.
I'm more irked that he'll play for a direct competitor, but the only clubs with the money or cache to induce the move were going to be in our league so it is what it is.
BBC Football wanking over the idea of Villa being a selling club and back where we should be. Ramsey meanwhile, is stepping up to the next level. To a club who win a domestic trophy every 70 years...
Would like to know where you are getting that from? Their own chief football writer has us finishing 5th for example and Chris Sutton has us winning 2-1 the weekend.
I saw the article that’s been referred to. Didn’t seem particularly gleeful about Villa having an issue.
BBC Football wanking over the idea of Villa being a selling club and back where we should be. Ramsey meanwhile, is stepping up to the next level. To a club who win a domestic trophy every 70 years...Martyn, WTF! I read it and find your take an extreme.
BBC Football wanking over the idea of Villa being a selling club and back where we should be. Ramsey meanwhile, is stepping up to the next level. To a club who win a domestic trophy every 70 years...Martyn, WTF! I read it and find your take an extreme.
BBC Football wanking over the idea of Villa being a selling club and back where we should be. Ramsey meanwhile, is stepping up to the next level. To a club who win a domestic trophy every 70 years...Martyn, WTF! I read it and find your take an extreme.
BBC Football wanking over the idea of Villa being a selling club and back where we should be. Ramsey meanwhile, is stepping up to the next level. To a club who win a domestic trophy every 70 years...Martyn, WTF! I read it and find your take an extreme.
Fancy that!
Aston Villa can confirm that Jacob Ramsey has joined Newcastle United for an undisclosed fee.
The midfielder came through the ranks at Villa Park, making his debut in 2019. Following a loan spell at Doncaster Rovers, he enjoyed a breakthrough season in 2020/21.
He scored his first goal for the club in October 2021 and at the end of that campaign, picked up both the Players’ Player and Young Player of the Season awards.
An Under-21 international, he helped England win the Under-21 European Championship in 2023.
He made a total of 176 appearances in claret and blue, scoring 17 goals.
A homegrown talent, popular with fans and with his teammates, who went on to live the dream of Villa supporters across the globe, everyone at the club would like to thank Jacob for his service and wish him all the very best in his future career.
Newcastle United have completed the signing of attacking midfielder Jacob Ramsey from Aston Villa for an undisclosed fee.
The 24-year-old becomes the Magpies' fourth first team addition of the summer after penning a long-term deal at St. James' Park.
Jacob progressed through the academy ranks at Villa Park and went on to make 167 appearances in all competitions, scoring 17 times, after making his senior debut in 2019. Ten of those appearances came in the UEFA Champions League last season.
The midfielder has also represented England through the age groups and was part of the 2023 UEFA European Under-21 Championships-winning squad alongside new teammate Anthony Gordon.
Jacob will wear the number 41 shirt for Newcastle United this season.
After signing for the club, Jacob said: "I'm delighted to be here. It's been a mad two or three days, but I'm really happy to be here and I can't wait to get started.
"This is a big move for me, but as soon as I knew the gaffer was interested and really liked me, it didn't take much time to decide. His track record of developing players, especially those who have gone on to become internationals here, speaks for itself.
"It was always a tough game playing for Villa against Newcastle - the team is full of energy, so athletic and the fans are so passionate. I feel my game will suit that and I'm excited to be on the other end of it now."
Head Coach Eddie Howe said: "Jacob is another fantastic addition to our squad. His qualities will bring us something different on the pitch and he fits the profile of being young and hungry to develop, but also with a wealth of Premier League football under his belt.
"Jacob offers versatility and his directness in attack and has proven to be a real threat at this level in recent seasons. He performed very well in the Champions League last season too and we believe he'll be a major asset for us."
The only Ramse/ay that now means anything are Cole and George.and Sir Alf.
Jarring seeing him in another kit. These PSR, SCR, just grim.
Jarring seeing him in another kit. These PSR, SCR, just grim.Agree fully
Jarring seeing him in another kit. These PSR, SCR, just grim.
Views on his departure seem pretty split. It would be interesting to see a poll over who is ok with him going for the reported fee and who isn't.
Views on his departure seem pretty split. It would be interesting to see a poll over who is ok with him going for the reported fee and who isn't.
I think it's dreadful news, if a big name had to go one or either of Konsa or Kamara would have preferable.
Views on his departure seem pretty split. It would be interesting to see a poll over who is ok with him going for the reported fee and who isn't.
I think it's dreadful news, if a big name had to go one or either of Konsa or Kamara would have preferable.
Yeah, that's a crazy take.
Obviously a crazy take, but presumably a new-contract-signed Kamara would be going for £80m not £40m.
So Kamara going plus a load more financial freedom would make it less crazy.
Obviously a crazy take, but presumably a new-contract-signed Kamara would be going for £80m not £40m.
So Kamara going plus a load more financial freedom would make it less crazy.
I think you’ll find it’s a three year deal so we can pay his wages over longer.
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Views on his departure seem pretty split. It would be interesting to see a poll over who is ok with him going for the reported fee and who isn't.
I think it's dreadful news, if a big name had to go one or either of Konsa or Kamara would have preferable.
I think you’ll find it’s a three year deal so we can pay his wages over longer.
You mean his transfer fee. The longer the deal, the longer the wages impact our 70% figure. With him offering a lot more goals and assists than JJ, we're more likely to finish in the Champions League/win Europa, which would keep the turnover charge on. A bigger total sum to take 70% from.
But still, we shouldn't be forced to sell JJ for no particular reason.
I think we will regret this one. He definitely makes a direct rival better and us worse. Asensio aged 30 on a long contract doesn’t inspire me.Couthino 2.0
John McGinn:
Always humble, respectful and willing to learn. It’s been a privilege to share the dressing room with you and enjoy some special moments together on the pitch. A sad day losing a top player and person and one of our own but it seems to be the way football is set up these days! 💜
Elanga at £55m, Hutchinson at £38m, a Bournemouth CF at £35m
I think we are well undercooked on this, and as we did'nt really need the money I think we are on the wrong side of the deal here.
John McGinn:
Always humble, respectful and willing to learn. It’s been a privilege to share the dressing room with you and enjoy some special moments together on the pitch. A sad day losing a top player and person and one of our own but it seems to be the way football is set up these days! 💜
I think we will regret this one. He definitely makes a direct rival better and us worse. Asensio aged 30 on a long contract doesn’t inspire me.Couthino 2.0
Elanga at £55m, Hutchinson at £38m, a Bournemouth CF at £35m
I think we are well undercooked on this, and as we did'nt really need the money I think we are on the wrong side of the deal here.
Don’t know about Outtara, but Elanga and Hutchison both had 4 years on their deals and both had just come off of excellent seasons. JJ’s fee based on time left on his deal and what he’s done in the last two years is good. He might kick on, but he might not.
It suddenly struck me that maybe it was affecting the players yesterday.It certainly isn’t a boost.
Elanga at £55m, Hutchinson at £38m, a Bournemouth CF at £35m
I think we are well undercooked on this, and as we did'nt really need the money I think we are on the wrong side of the deal here.
Don’t know about Outtara, but Elanga and Hutchison both had 4 years on their deals and both had just come off of excellent seasons. JJ’s fee based on time left on his deal and what he’s done in the last two years is good. He might kick on, but he might not.
Think excellent might be over-egging it for Hutchinson. He scored three goals for Ipswich, so one more than Bailey got for us.
So what's your point? I'd rather have Rogers over Dobbin. I'd rather have Tielemans over Barkley.
Fascinating stuff all round.
Well yeah but the point only has any relevance if Newcastle rocked up and said, “Villa are you prepared to sell Buendia or Ramsey? We don’t care which”.
John McGinn:Summed up well , it seems to be the way , the corrupt way .
Always humble, respectful and willing to learn. It’s been a privilege to share the dressing room with you and enjoy some special moments together on the pitch. A sad day losing a top player and person and one of our own but it seems to be the way football is set up these days! 💜
Well yeah but the point only has any relevance if Newcastle rocked up and said, “Villa are you prepared to sell Buendia or Ramsey? We don’t care which”.
My intial point was that the teams weaker now because we will have to probably use buendia who is not as good as ramsey.
We are certainly at this moment looking weaker not just than last season but even before that when we had diaby and luiz. That team 2 years ago was stronger than this one.
We desperately need players if we have any hope of the challenging the top 5.
Hands up if anyone fully understands PSR etc etc and can explain it all simply as I don't have a clue.
In very simple terms.SCR - loses up to 60 million euros. PSR ends next season, Premier League using SCR all round.
Psr - domestic league. You cannot lose more than £105m per season on a rolling three year period. We did. Well we would’ve done had we not added to our revenue by selling the women’s team.
SCR - Europe. No team is allowed to have a greater than 70 percent spent on wages against total turnover. Ours at one stage was over 90 percent.
Hence why this year we have had to focus on bringing the wage bill down to comply with SCR. But the Ramsey sale gives us more opportunity albeit limited to bring a couple in.
Does that help?
In very simple terms.
Psr - domestic league. You cannot lose more than £105m per season on a rolling three year period. We did. Well we would’ve done had we not added to our revenue by selling the women’s team.
SCR - Europe. No team is allowed to have a greater than 70 percent spent on wages against total turnover. Ours at one stage was over 90 percent.
Hence why this year we have had to focus on bringing the wage bill down to comply with SCR. But the Ramsey sale gives us more opportunity albeit limited to bring a couple in.
Does that help?
It's not wages alone, it's also agent fees and amortised transfer costs.
It's not wages alone, it's also agent fees and amortised transfer costs.
How does that impact what KV has explained?
TM: https://x.com/avfcstatto/status/1957196958541717977?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWAHmmm …. He’s a good man, Tyrone Mings. Really do wonder what he is aware of there.
TM: https://x.com/avfcstatto/status/1957196958541717977?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWAHmmm …. He’s a good man, Tyrone Mings. Really do wonder what he is aware of there.
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Vibes from within the club not great (Mings, McGinn, even Emery), hardly a surprise. Start feeling sorry for ourselves though and this could be a very long season.
TM: https://x.com/avfcstatto/status/1957196958541717977?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWAHmmm …. He’s a good man, Tyrone Mings. Really do wonder what he is aware of there.
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Presume he is suggesting that Ramsey might not have wanted to leave, but was told that he had to due to financial constraints?
Why make him multiple contract offers if we were resigned to having to sell him? I suppose PSR and SCR impacted on how much we could offer and Newcastle offered better terms. It's not quite the same as pushing him out the door.
Why is Dendoncker a ‘leech’? He didn’t force the club to give him the contract it did.
Why is Dendoncker a ‘leech’? He didn’t force the club to give him the contract it did.
Because he's shit and has taken 90k a week from us. Not his fault at all as he was offered and took the contract like anyone would. Hasn't worked out for either party but he's a very rich man thanks to silly (former) people at the club. A leech sucks blood, in dendonker's case, money. Money that we could use elsewhere if not for SCR/PSR shite. Poor old Leander eh!
Why is Dendoncker a ‘leech’? He didn’t force the club to give him the contract it did.
Because he's shit and has taken 90k a week from us. Not his fault at all as he was offered and took the contract like anyone would. Hasn't worked out for either party but he's a very rich man thanks to silly (former) people at the club. A leech sucks blood, in dendonker's case, money. Money that we could use elsewhere if not for SCR/PSR shite. Poor old Leander eh!
I can't fathom how or why we offered him £90k per week.
I can't fathom how or why we offered him £90k per week.
Becuase we were desperate and St£vi£ M££ wanted Luiz out.
Someone had to go.
Martinez
Watkins
Kamara
Ramsey
McGinn
They are the players where we'd make the biggest gain for the FFP stuff. From that list, Ramsey is the one who has given us the least over the past 3 years, albeit the one with the most potential for improvement. I'm sure we did offer a new contract, it was probably very low, thus forcing him out. The alternative for him of course was to sit out the remainder of his contract and leave on a free, with huge future contract potential, but then to run the risk of injuries limiting it.
He's almost certainly worth more than we offered, hence his refusal to sign a new deal. We have our hands tied, because the players we'd be more keen to sell, Dendoncker, Bailey, Buendia etc. just wouldn't give us any room to improve.
It's a shit situation, I'd much rather he stayed, but it's right that he's the one to go from the list I put above, if we are indeed havign to sell one.
TM: https://x.com/avfcstatto/status/1957196958541717977?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWAHmmm …. He’s a good man, Tyrone Mings. Really do wonder what he is aware of there.
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Presume he is suggesting that Ramsey might not have wanted to leave, but was told that he had to due to financial constraints?
TM: https://x.com/avfcstatto/status/1957196958541717977?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWAHmmm …. He’s a good man, Tyrone Mings. Really do wonder what he is aware of there.
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Presume he is suggesting that Ramsey might not have wanted to leave, but was told that he had to due to financial constraints?
I'm sure I read earlier this year that JJ was on a really low paid contract. He may have been on a promise to bring his contract in line with other regular first teamers and the numbers weren't even close yet we are prepared to through shed loads at Rogers and Kamara who was reported to be offered the highest contract we've ever paid out?
Quick google: He was on £596 a week in our promotion season; £7500 a week in our first season back. The following season it jumped up to £70k and has remained there until he left.
In very simple terms.
Psr - domestic league. You cannot lose more than £105m per season on a rolling three year period. We did. Well we would’ve done had we not added to our revenue by selling the women’s team.
SCR - Europe. No team is allowed to have a greater than 70 percent spent on wages against total turnover. Ours at one stage was over 90 percent.
Hence why this year we have had to focus on bringing the wage bill down to comply with SCR. But the Ramsey sale gives us more opportunity albeit limited to bring a couple in.
Does that help?
If we hadn't lost the Man U game and qualified for CL again that would have meant our financial situation was much healthier, wouldn't it? Should have been motivation.
TM: https://x.com/avfcstatto/status/1957196958541717977?s=46&t=GdM6cpVxe5IloByNCRheWAHmmm …. He’s a good man, Tyrone Mings. Really do wonder what he is aware of there.
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Presume he is suggesting that Ramsey might not have wanted to leave, but was told that he had to due to financial constraints?
I'm sure I read earlier this year that JJ was on a really low paid contract. He may have been on a promise to bring his contract in line with other regular first teamers and the numbers weren't even close yet we are prepared to through shed loads at Rogers and Kamara who was reported to be offered the highest contract we've ever paid out?
Quick google: He was on £596 a week in our promotion season; £7500 a week in our first season back. The following season it jumped up to £70k and has remained there until he left.
I didn't realise he was already on £70k a week. I thought that's the level we'd have been offering him on a NEW contract. I'm guessing he wanted £100k+ (not entirely unreasonable given what other players are on). I wonder what Newcastle offered him (bearing mind Isak is only on £120k)
I maintain Ramsey didn’t want to leave.
If we hadn't lost the Man U game and qualified for CL again that would have meant our financial situation was much healthier, wouldn't it? Should have been motivation.
It's with heavy heart that I say goodbye to Jacob. Would wish him the best individually but hope his club is not successful.Very much this.
Yes but our revenue for this period 30 June 25 to 26 would have been significantly higher and therefore given us more scope in this and the next windowIf we hadn't lost the Man U game and qualified for CL again that would have meant our financial situation was much healthier, wouldn't it? Should have been motivation.
We still would have had to come out of this summer with a net positive transfer balance for UEFA and had to lower the wage bill, wouldn't we?
I maintain Ramsey didn’t want to leave.
Whether he wanted to leave or not is immaterial if he wouldn't sign the contracts we were offering him. As I said a few days ago, he's not in the wrong for holding out for what he knew he could get elsewhere but we're also not in the wrong for deciding what our limit was and sticking to it and then letting hi leave on our terms for a fee we're happy with when talks broke down.
£40M feels £20M too low though . And to a direct rival .
They might want 50m, but they haven't got it.true, but it might still happen .
They might want 50m, but they haven't got it.true, but it might still happen .