Jacob Ramsey

[LeeS]

He's 24 with more than 150 first team appearances, he's not a prospect. 4 years ago he was a prospect.

Precisely

[Dave]

11   Jhon Durán   €29.50m


wrong

Don't think it is. We gave them around £15m, various add-ons were hit for another few million, and 10% sell-on when we sold him.

[Percy McCarthy]

11   Jhon Durán   €29.50m


wrong

Don't think it is. We gave them around £15m, various add-ons were hit for another few million, and 10% sell-on when we sold him.

These are the figures reported at the time, so not far off assuming he hit the clauses, which I suspect he did.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64379882

[frank black]

Questions - Would he have been in our best starting 11? Probably not. Will he be in Newcastle's best starting 11? Probably. That sums it up really.

Does it? He's going to be starting games in the Champions League this season. We'll have Onana, a player with half of JJ's technique, labouring for us in the Europa League.

Onana and Maatsen for the best part of £90M look like poor investments

I disagree with this.  I think both are excellent players signed for the going rate.

Yeah, to me they both have improved and will continue improving. Onana has been a little fragile, but I can see exactly why we’ve purchased him. Maatsen initially didn’t appear to enjoy defending but certainly seems more tenacious and disciplined now . I do not have doubts about them anymore.

Count yourself lucky to have missed our last game at Old Trafford. Both were impossibly useless.

Also using the Manu match when pretty much the only player to be anything other then Shit was Emi, but he stored all the crapness up for the 45th minute.

Yeah, absolute tripe the whole team.

[Dave]

11   Jhon Durán   €29.50m


wrong

Don't think it is. We gave them around £15m, various add-ons were hit for another few million, and 10% sell-on when we sold him.

These are the figures reported at the time, so not far off assuming he hit the clauses, which I suspect he did.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64379882

Pretty much all the US sources say the above, but with 15% of any profit we made as well.

That extra sell-on, they claim take him to the highest transfer fee received by an MLS club at $30.7m.

[Drummond]

I'm. Not convinced that Ramsey will go on to be the world beater we thought he would. Then again, a new start might just give him the motivation. I don't think it was ever going to happen here.

[brontebilly]

We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.

Not sure about that at all. No matter what we sell players for, it's not worth all that much if the funds aren't reinvested to make the team better.

Grealish - replaced by Ings, Bailey and Buendia. Frankly a disaster that cost Deano his job, still trying to get rid of two of the three of them.
Luiz - yes Tielemans did a great job replacing his influence as our playmaker last season but Luiz was replaced in the squad by Onana, I'll be kind and say a dud thus far.
Ings, yes and credit to Emery there. Hard decision but Watkins thrived immediately without him and Ings was done.
Duran - big profit made on him but it's all relative. He was a ready made Watkins replacement and we are now more reliant on Ollie than ever.
Diaby - maybe Malen will provide that direct pace option he brought, Rogers has stepped into the breach with more potential to be fair.
Targett - was it Digne who replaced him? Fine I guess, cheers Stevie G

[N'ZMAV]

🆚 Premier League Stats Comparison: Ramsey vs Bailey Stat   Jacob Ramsey   Leon Bailey Matches Played   29   24 Minutes Played   1631   1140 Starts   19   14 Goals   1   1 Assists   3   2 Goal Contributions (G+A)   4   3

similar stats - we should be selling both

[Somniloquism]

We didn't want to sell Ramsey, however he didn't want to sign a new contract with the terms offered and we had offers. But we are trying to sell Bailey as well.

[Smithy]

Disappointing. I suspect this is a move we will come to regret over the next couple of years.  Not just that we're losing him, but that we're strengthening the squad of a direct rival for the top European places.

If he flatly wasn't going to sign a new contract, then I still think we should have kept him for another year, it's a World Cup season, and with Rogers making the breakthrough last year, there is clearly a pathway to the England squad if he steps up.

But the club were in the room, and if the contract offer we made was miles away from Newcastles, then we risked having an unhappy player on our books who might decide to run down his contract if we leave it till next summer to sell him.

Ultimately we'll probably never know the exact circumstances of how hard we tried to keep him, or how much he even wanted to stay.  Whatever happens, losing a talented first-team player as he reaches his peak years, and who came through the club from the age of 6, should be viewed as a bad day in my opinion.

[villa for life]

We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.

Not sure about that at all. No matter what we sell players for, it's not worth all that much if the funds aren't reinvested to make the team better.

Grealish - replaced by Ings, Bailey and Buendia. Frankly a disaster that cost Deano his job, still trying to get rid of two of the three of them.
Luiz - yes Tielemans did a great job replacing his influence as our playmaker last season but Luiz was replaced in the squad by Onana, I'll be kind and say a dud thus far.
Ings, yes and credit to Emery there. Hard decision but Watkins thrived immediately without him and Ings was done.
Duran - big profit made on him but it's all relative. He was a ready made Watkins replacement and we are now more reliant on Ollie than ever.
Diaby - maybe Malen will provide that direct pace option he brought, Rogers has stepped into the breach with more potential to be fair.
Targett - was it Digne who replaced him? Fine I guess, cheers Stevie G

Spot on. Our recruitment the last few years has not been great, and changing this is our route to a brighter future. People ask how can we compete with the likes of Liverpool and city etc? Well, think of Bournemouth, Brighton , Palace , Brentford and forest who have had even less transfer budget and don’t /can’t pay the kind of wages we do. What must they be thinking?

It is possible, we just need an incredibly strong scouting system.

[john2710]

And a batch of youngsters coming through to the first team would make life a whole lot easier.

And I think we've got a few.

[PeterWithesShin]

Overall our transfers since promotion have been excellent. Which is why we're talked about as in the mix for top 5 again. We hardly had any players after promotion.

[pauliewalnuts]

We haven’t really been stung on the sales front. Targett, Grealish, Ings, Duran, Diaby, Luiz; I think we’ve won on all fronts and been smart. But this one could be different.

Not sure about that at all. No matter what we sell players for, it's not worth all that much if the funds aren't reinvested to make the team better.


Duran - big profit made on him but it's all relative. He was a ready made Watkins replacement and we are now more reliant on Ollie than ever.

Why is it 'all relative'?

We bought him, had him score some important goals, and then sold him for a massive profit. I thought you said this was poor recruitment?

Diaby - maybe Malen will provide that direct pace option he brought, Rogers has stepped into the breach with more potential to be fair.

And where did Rogers come from? He didn't just fall out of the sky.

[OCD]

Classic case of confirmation bias.