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Title: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: MorrisNielson on February 16, 2019, 11:16:36 PM
His debut is probably the only positive thing to come out of the game today.
Bit of history aswell, the first player to be born after the Millennium to represent Villa at first team level. Also, one of the youngest.
Youngest First Team Debutants:
1969-70 - Jimmy Brown - 15 years & 349 days
1959-60 - Norman Ashe - 16 years & 47 days
2014-15 - Rushian Hepburn-Murphy  - 16 years & 176 days
1957-58 - Walter Hazelden - 16 years & 269 days
1960-61 - Alan Baker - 16 years & 290 days
1963-64 - Mick Wright - 16 years & 347 days
1960-61 - John Sleeuwenhoek - 17 years & 37 days
1997-98 - Gareth Barry - 17 years & 68 days
1975-76 - Gordon Cowans - 17 years & 103 days
2000-01 - Stephen Cooke - 17 years & 169 days
1978-79 - Lee Jenkins - 17 years & 176 days
1960-61 - Ralph Brown - 17 years & 177 days
1976-77 - Ivor Linton - 17 years & 177 days
1984-85 - Tony Daley - 17 years & 184 days
2008-09 - Nathan Delfouneso - 17 years & 194 days
1978-79 - Gary Shaw - 17 years & 217 days
1999-00 - Jonathan Bewers - 17 years & 218 days
1973-74 - Bobby Campbell - 17 years & 219 days
2015-16 - Andre Green - 17 years & 231 days
2018-19 - Jacob Ramsey - 17 years & 264 days
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 16, 2019, 11:21:57 PM
Interesting to look at that list and see even now Stephen Cooke and John Bewers are still only mid 30s and younger than Gareth Barry.

Think I read Bewers was an football agent but not sure what Cooke is up to. I remember he was massively rated on here from regular reserve team watchers. Even then we weren't using the loan system well enough, he got a season long loan to Wycombe when he was 22.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on February 16, 2019, 11:26:39 PM
Can we nickname him Alf, I really don't like the name Jacob these days.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 17, 2019, 10:20:12 AM
He's in some pretty good compnay on that list
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Villa Lew on February 17, 2019, 10:27:12 AM
Great bit of research MorrisNielson, blimey I thought I was a bit of an anorak, but you put me to shame. Looking at the list I would say their are  3 players who went on to become legends of the club, Gareth, Sid and Gary. Mick Wright was one of my favourite players of the 60s and is one of a select bunch of players to have played over 300 games for us, but I wouldn't quite put him in the legend category.

As you say Jacob has become the first person born in the 21st century to play for Villa and for that alone he will go down in Villa history. Obviously to play a 17 year old in a local derby Dean must rate him very highly and already at the club he has earned the name 'wonderkid'. Now that the season is effectively over for us, I think there must be a case to start him on Saturday, he can't be any worse than Hourihane.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PeterWithe on February 17, 2019, 10:29:05 AM
Didnít realise he was so young, letís hope we see a little more of him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Virgil Caine on February 17, 2019, 10:33:25 AM
Surprised that Lee Hendrie isn't on that list- how old was he when he made his debut?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Steve67 on February 17, 2019, 10:34:12 AM
What sort of midfielder is he? Defensive, attacking, good tackler, good in the air, and eye for a goal etc?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PeterWithe on February 17, 2019, 10:38:35 AM
He played high up the field and took up some good positions but looked understandably nervous and was a little wasteful with possession.

Had a half chance at the very end.

Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Singapore Villa on February 17, 2019, 10:40:20 AM
How did he do when he came on yesterday?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2019, 10:40:20 AM
Surprised that Lee Hendrie isn't on that list- how old was he when he made his debut?

18 Ĺ roughly.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on February 17, 2019, 11:00:44 AM
And after a quick sending-off wasnt seen again for...(a year or two after?).
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 17, 2019, 11:05:50 AM
His debut was 23rd Dec 1995, his next game was a start in the borefest home game against Boro 19th March 1996.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Villa Lew on February 17, 2019, 11:07:43 AM
And after a quick sending-off wasnt seen again for...(a year or two after?).
Yeah remember it well, it was at QPR, I would say it's a safe bet to say he's the only Villa player to be sent off on his debut.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Clampy on February 17, 2019, 11:10:31 AM
And after a quick sending-off wasnt seen again for...(a year or two after?).
Yeah remember it well, it was at QPR, I would say it's a safe bet to say he's the only Villa player to be sent off on his debut.

I think I was there, if it's the game where we won 1-0 with Yorke scoring. I was sitting in their family stand. Might have been a different game though.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2019, 11:12:06 AM
His debut was 23rd Dec 1995, his next game was a start in the borefest home game against Boro 19th March 1996.

In which he came up against his cousin, John Hendrie.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Villa Lew on February 17, 2019, 11:14:23 AM
And after a quick sending-off wasnt seen again for...(a year or two after?).
Yeah remember it well, it was at QPR, I would say it's a safe bet to say he's the only Villa player to be sent off on his debut.

I think I was there, if it's the game where we won 1-0 with Yorke scoring. I was sitting in their family stand. Might have been a different game though.

No we lost 1-0
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: stuart445 on February 17, 2019, 11:17:07 AM
How did he do when he came on yesterday?

Didn't do great i'd forgotten he was on until the shot,  he's young so give him time.  He shouldn't have come on to be honest at that time we needed to do something different like kodjia on and go 442 but in typical Smith fashion he went like for like.

I don't think with the atmosphere the way it was going yesterday and will probably only get worse as the season goes on putting a young player into that atmosphere will be the best way to go. Maybe next season if things are better (how often have we said that now) then that'll be the best to to ease him into the squad.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 17, 2019, 11:21:26 AM
How did he do when he came on yesterday?

Didn't do great i'd forgotten he was on until the shot,  he's young so give him time.  He shouldn't have come on to be honest at that time we needed to do something different like kodjia on and go 442 but in typical Smith fashion he went like for like.

I don't think with the atmosphere the way it was going yesterday and will probably only get worse as the season goes on putting a young player into that atmosphere will be the best way to go. Maybe next season if things are better (how often have we said that now) then that'll be the best to to ease him into the squad.

I took it as a good move and either took place because heíll get some sort of involvement at Stoke or to send some sort of message to the shower that sat on our bench and have produced nothing in recent weeks.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: stuart445 on February 17, 2019, 11:28:21 AM
How did he do when he came on yesterday?

Didn't do great i'd forgotten he was on until the shot,  he's young so give him time.  He shouldn't have come on to be honest at that time we needed to do something different like kodjia on and go 442 but in typical Smith fashion he went like for like.

I don't think with the atmosphere the way it was going yesterday and will probably only get worse as the season goes on putting a young player into that atmosphere will be the best way to go. Maybe next season if things are better (how often have we said that now) then that'll be the best to to ease him into the squad.

I took it as a good move and either took place because heíll get some sort of involvement at Stoke or to send some sort of message to the shower that sat on our bench and have produced nothing in recent weeks.

I'm just worried because an angry Holte End is not a nice place to play in front of even if you're an experienced player.  I'm just worried throwing in a 17 year old into that atmosphere will crush him and potentially ruin a player that if delt with the right way could be good.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on February 17, 2019, 12:12:59 PM
How did he do when he came on yesterday?

Didn't do great i'd forgotten he was on until the shot,  he's young so give him time.  He shouldn't have come on to be honest at that time we needed to do something different like kodjia on and go 442 but in typical Smith fashion he went like for like.

I don't think with the atmosphere the way it was going yesterday and will probably only get worse as the season goes on putting a young player into that atmosphere will be the best way to go. Maybe next season if things are better (how often have we said that now) then that'll be the best to to ease him into the squad.

I took it as a good move and either took place because heíll get some sort of involvement at Stoke or to send some sort of message to the shower that sat on our bench and have produced nothing in recent weeks.
Yes, that was my take on it, Nunkin.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: achilles on February 17, 2019, 01:28:35 PM
It all depends on the players personality, some thrive on it, some are terrified, but I think he handled the occasion well, tried to do the simple things and not over elaborate. The boy has talent and needs to be encouraged, so playing him in parts away from home would probably be the best for him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: UK Redsox on February 17, 2019, 01:35:11 PM
Ramsey gave the ball away a couple of times withing his first few minutes. I don't know if that knocked his confidence but most of the time after that he was just as invisible as Hourihane had been.

Hopefully he'll come good but he probably wouldn't be getting a look in if the other top youngsters weren't out on loan
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on February 17, 2019, 01:48:16 PM
I thought he looked okay. He never hid from the ball which is a good sign.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: john e on February 17, 2019, 02:14:04 PM
How did he do when he came on yesterday?

Didn't do great i'd forgotten he was on until the shot,  he's young so give him time.  He shouldn't have come on to be honest at that time we needed to do something different like kodjia on and go 442 but in typical Smith fashion he went like for like.

I don't think with the atmosphere the way it was going yesterday and will probably only get worse as the season goes on putting a young player into that atmosphere will be the best way to go. Maybe next season if things are better (how often have we said that now) then that'll be the best to to ease him into the squad.

I took it as a good move and either took place because heíll get some sort of involvement at Stoke or to send some sort of message to the shower that sat on our bench and have produced nothing in recent weeks.

I'm just worried because an angry Holte End is not a nice place to play in front of even if you're an experienced player.  I'm just worried throwing in a 17 year old into that atmosphere will crush him and potentially ruin a player that if delt with the right way could be good.

a angry Holte end would never give undue stick or pressure on a 17 year old coming on and giving his best

You must have been supporting a different club to me over the years

Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on February 17, 2019, 02:27:49 PM
Quite right John.  There really is an epidemic of self-loathing amongst some Villa fans, with lots of them trying to out do each other by stating how awful the other Villa fans are.  How much stick has John McGinn had for example?  Even though he hasn't really been playing very well, people can see that he's busting a gut in every game and so are appreciative of his efforts.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 17, 2019, 03:15:56 PM
We lost 1-0. It was the game we had to bring Spink on to play outfield.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 17, 2019, 03:35:42 PM
As always it depends on which side of the fence you stand on.
I certainly wasn't angry when he started slowly and I felt it showed him that his manager has faith in him.
He probably felt about 10 ft tall this morning.
The problem about the younger players is that what has happened this year with them going out on loan should have happened last year.
They would have gained tremendous experience both good and bad.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: sickbeggar on February 17, 2019, 04:12:50 PM
I thought he was anonymous, but this is what Smith should be doing. We're not going up now and we're not going down, so use the time playing potentially usefull kids instead of confirmed deadwood. Would have been great if he'd done the same with the ones on loan as well. Throw them in the deep end and see if they swim - and you can only do that with giving them a extended stab at the first team which with the remains of this season is the idea opportunity. Yes, many of them will disappear back to the youth for a season or for good, but the worst case scenario is we get a useful reserve player or two for next season. Criticsm is part of the game and some of the best players came through a prolonged period of it from their club's support as youth players. Better to deal with at 18 than 22 imo.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: stuart445 on February 17, 2019, 04:19:26 PM
How did he do when he came on yesterday?

Didn't do great i'd forgotten he was on until the shot,  he's young so give him time.  He shouldn't have come on to be honest at that time we needed to do something different like kodjia on and go 442 but in typical Smith fashion he went like for like.

I don't think with the atmosphere the way it was going yesterday and will probably only get worse as the season goes on putting a young player into that atmosphere will be the best way to go. Maybe next season if things are better (how often have we said that now) then that'll be the best to to ease him into the squad.

I took it as a good move and either took place because heíll get some sort of involvement at Stoke or to send some sort of message to the shower that sat on our bench and have produced nothing in recent weeks.

I'm just worried because an angry Holte End is not a nice place to play in front of even if you're an experienced player.  I'm just worried throwing in a 17 year old into that atmosphere will crush him and potentially ruin a player that if delt with the right way could be good.

a angry Holte end would never give undue stick or pressure on a 17 year old coming on and giving his best

You must have been supporting a different club to me over the years



I'm not saying the Holte giving him stick but you can feel the the anger in the crowd.  It'd be natural if he was to sense that anger because who wouldn't The Holte is an intimidating stand when i was on the pitch after the West Brom FA cup game i was stood on the penalty spot looked at the Holte and it's like the upper is right on top of you.  So imagine you're a 17 year old inexperienced player who is witnessing that anger shown to other players it'd only be natural him  to be thinking that's what would happen to him if he made a mistake.

I would also like to Stress i'm not having a go at him i'm just saying bringing him into an atmosphere that is developing might not have a positive impact on his development.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 17, 2019, 04:22:05 PM
It's some going to try and make out giving a 17 year old his debut is a bad thing.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Villa75 on February 17, 2019, 04:27:18 PM
Good luck to the young lad!

As we're neither going up or going down, I say, let's have more of our younger players given the chance to prove themselves and gain experience.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: stuart445 on February 17, 2019, 04:30:36 PM
It's some going to try and make out giving a 17 year old his debut is a bad thing.

Playing a 17 year old with the atmosphere that is developing at Villa park is not going to help him thrive,  as has been said it'd be wiser to play him at away games.  But you keep believing Smith is perfect in every way.  All Hail King Smith,  Woe Betide Anyone Who Questions Our Great Leader
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: aj2k77 on February 17, 2019, 04:33:31 PM
Woe betide anyone who questions our great leader, apart from the hundreds of pages in a thread we have about him on here where a good portion are doing exactly.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 17, 2019, 04:33:36 PM
It's some going to try and make out giving a 17 year old his debut is a bad thing.

Playing a 17 year old with the atmosphere that is developing at Villa park is not going to help him thrive,  as has been said it'd be wiser to play him at away games.  But you keep believing Smith is perfect in every way.  All Hail King Smith,  Woe Betide Anyone Who Questions Our Great Leader

I've never once said that about Smith. In fact no one on this board has. Says a lot about you that you keep trotting out such utter nonsense.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: WarszaVillan on February 17, 2019, 04:36:46 PM
And after a quick sending-off wasnt seen again for...(a year or two after?).
Yeah remember it well, it was at QPR, I would say it's a safe bet to say he's the only Villa player to be sent off on his debut.

I think I was there, if it's the game where we won 1-0 with Yorke scoring. I was sitting in their family stand. Might have been a different game though.

No we lost 1-0

The sending off was undeserved, I remember the QPR manager saying so (Wilkins?) after the match. Spinksy came on and played outfield for the last ten mins as I remember.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: sickbeggar on February 17, 2019, 04:42:59 PM
A lot of good youth players started in bad sides by necessity. The clubs didn't have the option to buy decent alternatives. Only those at the top of the food chain can afford to gently ease-in youth players over 3 or 4 seasons even if they want to go that route and most of them don't.. We need to try them out as early as possible, give them a chance, and also be more ruthless. The days of having youth players getting to 21/22 with no first team games under their belts needs to be banished asap.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on February 17, 2019, 05:08:31 PM
I thought the 2nd time he gave the ball away was out of muscle memory. He played it blind, probably out of habit as that's where a Villa player in the u23s would have been.

Found space, was quite bright with his energy and was the only player to break the lines, albeit in the 91st minute.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 17, 2019, 06:09:49 PM
His debut was 23rd Dec 1995, his next game was a start in the borefest home game against Boro 19th March 1996.

Can see what Eamonn is saying, don't remember Hendrie featuring at all in 96/97 or first part of 97/98. Scored v Coventry but even then wasn't really used until Gregory was appointed and then he was trusted like Jack was under Sherwood with regular starts.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 17, 2019, 06:11:11 PM
We lost 1-0. It was the game we had to bring Spink on to play outfield.

Really, were those the days of 3 subs? Spinky must've been close to 40 by then!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on February 17, 2019, 06:46:49 PM
It was great to see him make his debut in a derby game I hope he's another star in the making from the academy.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: West Derby Villan on February 17, 2019, 06:56:42 PM
I thought he did ok, at least he didn't hide like the bloke he replaced. He didn't seem overawed by the opposition or the occasion in my opinion. Fair play to DS for having faith and giving him the opportunity.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on February 17, 2019, 07:43:02 PM
it'd be wiser to play him at away games...

Have you experienced the febrile atmosphere at our recent away games?! - the boy will get far more out of playing on his home ground!

My view is that since we are not going to make the play-offs on current trends, give as much experience to as many of the future lads as we can, judiciously.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on February 17, 2019, 08:43:50 PM
Home or away, a 17 year old will be backed to the hilt.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 17, 2019, 11:38:50 PM
It's some going to try and make out giving a 17 year old his debut is a bad thing.

Not half as stupid as claiming that a player who can score a goal every other game over a three season period for a team at the bottom of the league isn't any good.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on February 17, 2019, 11:52:12 PM
Not sure how many we can give a chance to - I think most of them are out on loan.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: wittonwarrior on February 18, 2019, 04:53:12 AM
Give him time and donít expect miracles itís not easy playing for the villa
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on February 18, 2019, 10:28:48 AM
What sort of midfielder is he? Defensive, attacking, good tackler, good in the air, and eye for a goal etc?

Bit late on this, haven't been home much over the weekend, he's an attacking midfielder, scores a fair few goals (9 in 17 for the various age group teams this year) and likes to get into the box. From what I've heard (via someone at my rugby club who knows him) Smith took a liking to him within weeks of arriving and has been pushing the coaches to get him ready for the first team so it's no great surprise that he's got into the squad. I think he'll have a big part to play next season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Smirker on August 02, 2019, 08:05:14 PM
Hopefully we see more of this lad this season. Seems very highly rated.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eric woolban woolban on August 02, 2019, 10:41:26 PM
Just read the thread as it's bumped up.
Season written off on 19th Feb.
How things change eh.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Smirker on August 02, 2019, 11:53:07 PM
Just read the thread as it's bumped up.
Season written off on 19th Feb.
How things change eh.

Been a strange few months. I'm glad the players didn't give up. It did seem gone then however.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on August 03, 2019, 12:05:21 AM
Hope heís loaned out for experience.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: JJ-AV on February 05, 2020, 06:39:48 AM
2 goals on his debut last night for Doncaster
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: robbo1874 on February 05, 2020, 07:23:38 AM
And after a quick sending-off wasnt seen again for...(a year or two after?).
ha ha- I was at Loftus Rd that day. The sending off is about all I can remember!

Mustíve been mental for Shaw and Daley making their debuts so young as Villa fans- it would be like all your birthdays and christmases rolled into one at that age. I was a bit young so didnít see Shawís debut, but Tone always used to look like he was shitting himself in those early days. Probably was buzzing like fk.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Smithy on February 05, 2020, 11:46:24 AM
2 goals on his debut last night for Doncaster

Just seen the goals, young Jacob seems to have had quite a growth spurt since his cameo against West Brom last season? Thought he looked very slight at the time, forgetting he was only 17.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on February 05, 2020, 04:06:09 PM
2 goals on his debut last night for Doncaster
Good for him! Well done, lad.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Villa Lew on February 05, 2020, 06:15:22 PM
Doncaster Rovers fans have been raving about him, well done Jacob.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on February 06, 2020, 02:18:10 PM
I'm pleased for him scoring his first goals in first team football well done Jacob hopefully he can do what Jack did when he was on loan at Notts County and be ready for the first team after his Doncaster Rovers loan.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 06, 2020, 05:31:20 PM
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on February 06, 2020, 05:59:49 PM
Both very well taken goals.

I saw something a few months back likening him to Lampard for the way he arrives late into the box and those goals really show what they meant by it. If he can handle the physical battle of it he'll be a great addition to the squad next season, exactly the sort of player we could do with being able to bring off the bench.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: AV82EC on February 06, 2020, 09:28:18 PM
Jesus thereís a lad whoís grown up in the year since he debuted against Albion he looks about 6 inches taller and twice as broad! Great stuff and good goals.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Fred Crump on February 06, 2020, 09:47:12 PM
2 cracking finishes. Looks a real talent
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: aj2k77 on February 06, 2020, 10:06:56 PM
Header was a beaut. Got in front of his marker and steered it in to the far corner.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on February 07, 2020, 06:53:16 AM
What sort of pitch was that!! Like watching a game from the 80's.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Virgil Caine on February 07, 2020, 07:20:19 AM
What sort of pitch was that!! Like watching a game from the 80's.

I wonder if it had bits of broken bottle in the goal mouth like Glebe Farm Rec.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on February 07, 2020, 09:03:01 AM
What sort of pitch was that!! Like watching a game from the 80's.

I wonder if it had bits of broken bottle in the goal mouth like Glebe Farm Rec.
Haha - blimey, them were t'days, lad!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on February 07, 2020, 09:28:00 AM
Glebe Farm, eh?  Marvellous.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Dr_Pangloss on February 09, 2020, 12:06:29 PM
I think this lad is going to end up being a pretty big player for us.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 08, 2020, 11:31:33 PM
Doing well at Doncaster Rovers 5 matches 2 goals.
Just been reading he scored his second goal Saturday. Put in an excellent display and shows promise going forward.
Would have liked him and other younger players to be given more of a go and involvement at times this season.
Still would have kept Andre Green involved too if truth be told.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 08, 2020, 11:33:09 PM
It's actually 3 in 6. He looks a good prospect.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 08, 2020, 11:46:25 PM
I think he should be given game time whatever league the Villa in next season
Ideally like to see a few more home grown playing and part of squad.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Louzie0 on March 09, 2020, 12:02:51 AM
It would be nice to keep a promising young player rather than sell him off!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 09, 2020, 12:07:09 AM
We kept Agbonlahor, what more do you want?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 09, 2020, 12:08:33 AM
We kept Agbonlahor, what more do you want?

Off topic, but I'm really enjoying Gabby as a pundit.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Louzie0 on March 09, 2020, 12:14:31 AM
We kept Agbonlahor, what more do you want?
Iíd be happy if he could be as good as Gabby
And maybe for a bit longer  :)
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on March 09, 2020, 07:37:18 AM
I suspect Ramsey is firmly in their plans for next year. With a bit of luck with injuries and decent coaching he'll be a great player for the squad.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on March 09, 2020, 11:08:30 AM
So pleased for him he's done well on loan so far hopefully he can do a Jack and come back and be the next star from our academy.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 09, 2020, 01:00:49 PM
It's actually 3 in 6. He looks a good prospect.

Cracking finish..

Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on March 09, 2020, 01:13:52 PM
very well taken and he held his run really well too, gave the guy on the ball a much bigger area to put the pass into, too many players either sprint full and are level with the last man or hold back too far, good instinct from him to hold the run.

His finishing is why I rate him though, if he can adapt to top level football I think he could be a very good goalscoring midfielder in the future.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on March 09, 2020, 02:04:32 PM
We kept Agbonlahor, what more do you want?

Off topic, but I'm really enjoying Gabby as a pundit.

Is you being iconic?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dcdavecollett on March 10, 2020, 11:35:50 PM
Ramsey really is looking impressive.

What strikes me is how much physically stronger he looks compared to when he made his debut against the Bitters. He has pace, good acceleration, good technique and can finish off either foot.

Oh, and his brother's supposed to be an even better player!!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 11, 2020, 12:03:26 AM
We kept Agbonlahor, what more do you want?

Off topic, but I'm really enjoying Gabby as a pundit.

Is you being iconic?

Not at all. He seems happy and you can start to see why he might have been influential (for good or ill) in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on March 11, 2020, 12:07:12 AM
Oh, fair enough!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 11, 2020, 12:13:49 AM
What channel is he on?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 10, 2020, 07:42:17 PM
I wonder if J-Ramz will have what I'll call 'a breakthrough week' (maybe leading to the season)

12th Saturday Man Utd home friendly
15th Burton away Cup
21st Sheff Utd
23rd potential 3rd round cup 

I do hope Ramsey starts to get minutes and game time .
Seems exciting and has the forward thinking attacking play for midfielder Smith likes.

Saves us a transfer move if we bring him on this season
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2020, 08:36:34 PM
He is an excellent player. I rate him as highly as I do Archer. The two best players in the U23 squad and both deserve opportunities with the first team this season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SheffieldVillain on September 10, 2020, 08:40:26 PM
He is an excellent player. I rate him as highly as I do Archer. The two best players in the U23 squad and both deserve opportunities with the first team this season.

I'd really like to see that. Ramsay seems to get among the goals whichever level he's playing at which would be a massive addition to the squad if we can bring him through to be involved with the first team and replicate that.

Being honest, I haven't seen much that stands out to me about Vassilev so far other than he runs around a lot and tries hard (another Weimann?) so I'd like to see Archer play a bit to see what he can do.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2020, 08:44:15 PM
Same here. Ramsey looks the business. Vassilev is a trier and a hard worker but does not offer much else. Archer offers far, far more. So hope he gets a chance. He more than deserves it.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: AV82EC on September 10, 2020, 08:45:10 PM
Iíve been thinking who Vassilev reminds me of and youíre right itís Weimann.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2020, 08:46:59 PM
I think it's a great call. I liked Weimann, especially for the goal off his backside that saved our bacon one season. Have I remembered that correctly? Plus his salute in front of the Holte End after the winning goal in the 3-2 vs Manchester City (I think).
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2020, 08:48:09 PM
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2020, 08:50:44 PM
Sorry, I'm going off-topic here. Ramsey is a great prospect. Fingers crossed for him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave shelley on September 10, 2020, 09:15:11 PM
I think it's a great call. I liked Weimann, especially for the goal off his backside that saved our bacon one season. Have I remembered that correctly? Plus his salute in front of the Holte End after the winning goal in the 3-2 vs Manchester City (I think).

Was the one off his arse against Fulham?  That's what I remember but can't be too sure.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: olaftab on September 10, 2020, 09:25:05 PM
I think it's a great call. I liked Weimann, especially for the goal off his backside that saved our bacon one season. Have I remembered that correctly? Plus his salute in front of the Holte End after the winning goal in the 3-2 vs Manchester City (I think).
That goal against Man city still, to this day, makes me nervous every time I watch. It's way he left it and ran towards the Holte to celebrate and defender was catching up with the ball....I shudder.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 10, 2020, 09:30:01 PM
I think it's a great call. I liked Weimann, especially for the goal off his backside that saved our bacon one season. Have I remembered that correctly? Plus his salute in front of the Holte End after the winning goal in the 3-2 vs Manchester City (I think).

Was the one off his arse against Fulham?  That's what I remember but can't be too sure.
Weimann did score against Fulham under McLeish from a full three inches. I think it eventually went in off his knee as he was almost flat on his face at the time. It was his first Villa goal in McLeish's last win as manager. It was early March 2012 and we didn't win again until September.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 10, 2020, 09:36:37 PM
Without checking the date it must be near enough seven years ago to the day?
I bought a second-hand lamp for a fiver that day off a girl in Camden. Skint after six months in London and very little work.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: olaftab on September 10, 2020, 10:06:25 PM
Without checking the date it must be near enough seven years ago to the day?
I bought a second-hand lamp for a fiver that day off a girl in Camden. Skint after six months in London and very little work.
Can you be skint again when we next play City?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ozzjim on September 10, 2020, 11:08:51 PM
The difference between the very talented kids that get to the top, and the very talented that don't is quite often their work ethic and application on and off the pitch. I wonder how much emphasis is being put on that now. Everything you read about Jack suggests he's trained harder, longer, dune extra sessions etc from a young age despite the press he has got, and that was only increased after a year in league 2. It will be interesting to see if Ramsey does the same following the loan to make sure he's playing at the top level. It may well be why Smith likes Vassilev too, he works so hard when he comes on you at least get that nuisance value.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: robleflaneur on September 10, 2020, 11:18:01 PM
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The difference between the very talented kids that get to the top, and the very talented that don't is quite often their work ethic and application on and off the pitch. I wonder how much emphasis is being put on that now. Everything you read about Jack suggests he's trained harder, longer, dune extra sessions etc from a young age despite the press he has got, and that was only increased after a year in league 2. It will be interesting to see if Ramsey does the same following the loan to make sure he's playing at the top level. It may well be why Smith likes Vassilev too, he works so hard when he comes on you at least get that nuisance value.
Very much the difference between the more talented Moore brothers and Agbonlahor who for most of his Villa career was a hard working,determined player.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 10, 2020, 11:22:53 PM
The difference between the very talented kids that get to the top, and the very talented that don't is quite often their work ethic and application on and off the pitch. I wonder how much emphasis is being put on that now. Everything you read about Jack suggests he's trained harder, longer, dune extra sessions etc from a young age despite the press he has got, and that was only increased after a year in league 2. It will be interesting to see if Ramsey does the same following the loan to make sure he's playing at the top level. It may well be why Smith likes Vassilev too, he works so hard when he comes on you at least get that nuisance value.

So does Archer and he offers far more.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 15, 2020, 11:52:18 PM
Did OK but not one of his better games. I do rate him highly (as I do Bridge) but Archer did far more in his 10 mins vs Crewe last season than Ramsey did today.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 16, 2020, 12:10:47 AM
Would be great but highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on September 16, 2020, 08:18:30 AM
I thought Ramsey looked very assured and was always available for a passing option.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Nev on September 16, 2020, 08:32:10 AM
He looked a bit green at times which is understandable but he did look good and I'd like to see more of him this season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 16, 2020, 08:42:02 AM
Thought Ramsey looked confident, at ease with the ball at his feet and certainly didnít look out of place or overawed.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Fred Crump on September 16, 2020, 09:12:56 AM
I was very impressed, particularly first half. Although thereís obviously lots of development still to be done , if we can successfully integrate him into the team, that will be a major plus
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: hipkiss92 on September 16, 2020, 09:28:43 AM
Looked good, even if Lansbury and Nakamba could probably have offered him more support in his first start.
Be interesting to see a midfield 3 of him Luiz and Mcginn if the opportunity allows.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave shelley on September 16, 2020, 09:29:04 AM
I felt he had a steady debut, very aware.  I would sooner he start this way as opposed to bursting on to the scene with a MOTM performance which he may not be able to sustain but still be expected to.  So many players of all clubs have gone that way and then sank without trace.  Nice and steady every time and grow into it then hopefully we shall see a very, very good player.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: UK Redsox on September 16, 2020, 09:31:32 AM
I know that I don't pay that much attention at times, but until last night I didn't know that there are two Ramseys ....oops :)
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 16, 2020, 09:35:12 AM
Me neither. Most impressed with the one that played last night. Looks the real deal.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: fbriai on September 16, 2020, 09:37:20 AM
Very tidy, I thought. Sharp passing, found good positions to receive the ball. Used it well. Looks like he could develop into a very useful player.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on September 16, 2020, 09:49:13 AM
I know that I don't pay that much attention at times, but until last night I didn't know that there are two Ramseys ....oops :)

3, Jacob breaking into the seniors, Aaron just moved up to the U23s and Cole is in the U13s I think and is also very highly regarded.

A lot of people seem to think Aaron will breakthrough pretty quickly as well so he could well be around the first team this time next year.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on September 16, 2020, 09:51:52 AM
Very tidy, I thought. Sharp passing, found good positions to receive the ball. Used it well. Looks like he could develop into a very useful player.

I don't think last night was the sort of game to really show him at his best either. Burton were lined up to defend the edge of their box for most of the game which meant there wasn't much room for our players to find. For the U23s and on loan Ramsey has shown he likes to drift into the box late and find pockets of space. You could see he was trying last night but the gaps just weren't there.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ozzjim on September 16, 2020, 09:57:33 AM
I thought he did really well. Coming in as a young central defender or midfielder against seasoned pros is really difficult, I think wingers and strikers it is sometimes a bit easier because you can make runs and try things where there is less jeopardy and look better, but Ramsey was composed on the ball, stronger than I thought he would be and happy to take a few challenges and not hide from it, with the rest of the side far from match sharp too. Ideally could do with him playing regularly in the championship for someone to bring him on further. Got forward into some threatening positions too. Looks a player.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Drummond on September 16, 2020, 10:13:59 AM
I liked what he did, what he tried and if we can continue to produce that sort of quality from the academy we're on to a winner.

Plus he's not even the  best in his own family!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 16, 2020, 10:37:32 AM
Harsh, he might be. Little brothers are annoying.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 16, 2020, 11:00:13 AM
3, Jacob breaking into the seniors, Aaron just moved up to the U23s and Cole is in the U13s I think and is also very highly regarded.

A lot of people seem to think Aaron will breakthrough pretty quickly as well so he could well be around the first team this time next year.

Cheers, it would be great if all 3 added to the distinguished place the Ramsey name has in the Villa pantheon.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on September 16, 2020, 11:07:14 AM
I know that I don't pay that much attention at times, but until last night I didn't know that there are two Ramseys ....oops :)

3, Jacob breaking into the seniors, Aaron just moved up to the U23s and Cole is in the U13s I think and is also very highly regarded.

A lot of people seem to think Aaron will breakthrough pretty quickly as well so he could well be around the first team this time next year.

Worth mentioning that Aaron is captain of England U17's and more of a defensive midfielder.

Jacob looked comfortable on the ball and made some good runs, while also looking a little green. Happy for him to be involved with the first team or sent on loan to a championship team where he can be a regular.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on September 16, 2020, 12:12:54 PM
I know that I don't pay that much attention at times, but until last night I didn't know that there are two Ramseys ....oops :)

3, Jacob breaking into the seniors, Aaron just moved up to the U23s and Cole is in the U13s I think and is also very highly regarded.

A lot of people seem to think Aaron will breakthrough pretty quickly as well so he could well be around the first team this time next year.

Worth mentioning that Aaron is captain of England U17's and more of a defensive midfielder.

Jacob looked comfortable on the ball and made some good runs, while also looking a little green. Happy for him to be involved with the first team or sent on loan to a championship team where he can be a regular.

Aaron looks a great prospect, a bit of Luiz about him in that he plays a more defensive role but looks to be very creative and could probably cover all of the normal centre mid roles.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 16, 2020, 12:14:07 PM
Of the three brothers, Jacob has the most potential.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 16, 2020, 12:15:33 PM
Of the three brothers, Jacob has the most potential.



3 brothers ?  that would be a first in a team wouldnt it ?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 16, 2020, 12:35:28 PM
I believe so.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 16, 2020, 12:37:35 PM
The Wallaces of Southampton.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 16, 2020, 12:38:43 PM
The Wallaces of Southampton.



Oh yes , I remember now the joke was Man United buying the wrong Wallace 🤔😃
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 16, 2020, 01:44:32 PM
The Wallaces of Southampton.
Oh yes , I remember now the joke was Man United buying the wrong Wallace 🤔😃

Funnier than the one about SGT buying the wrong Millwall player. :(
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 16, 2020, 03:00:34 PM
Weren't there three Steins at Luton at one stage?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on September 17, 2020, 01:33:35 PM
In an article on the OS, Smith says he's got quite a long list of clubs wanting to take Ramsey on loan. Will have to see if that's the plan for this season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 17, 2020, 01:43:41 PM
It was the first time I seen him in action the other night.  Very impressed with his energy and movement. He's above Lansbury in the pecking order, he has to be, can't we off load this charlatan?  Maybe a Ramsay loan is a good idea with a clause for a return should injuries in midfield be an issue.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 17, 2020, 01:46:33 PM
For me, the main ones to watch this season are Ramsey, Bridge and Archer. All three have the potential to make it. They either need a loan out to gain invaluable experience or some opportunities at first team level in whatever competition to show what they are capable of.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on September 17, 2020, 03:05:38 PM
For me, the main ones to watch this season are Ramsey, Bridge and Archer. All three have the potential to make it. They either need a loan out to gain invaluable experience or some opportunities at first team level in whatever competition to show what they are capable of.

I'd agree with that, I think Philogene-Bidace might get a look at some point as well, main;y because, from what I've seen, he's fucking rapid.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: manic-road on September 25, 2020, 12:33:14 PM
Looked pretty good again last night, hope he gets a bit more playing time in the league to bring his development on.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: exigo on September 25, 2020, 01:43:25 PM
He was excellent last night. Real engine on him, but the thing that sets him apart for me is his ability to give a drop of the shoulder with his first touch. Sends his marker off the wrong way and buys him a yard of space and time to look up.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 25, 2020, 02:14:00 PM
This all bodes well.  Keeps the rest of the midfield on their toes and with this hurried along League cup competition  we'll see him again next Thursday at the very least.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: pelty on September 25, 2020, 02:20:08 PM
I saw enough last night for me to want to see Ramsey have a run in the first team. This may be an unfashionable opinion, but I would slot him in for Hourihane against Fulham to see how he performs along SJM and Grealish. Fulham are a team just out of the Championship and would not be too stern a test and get his feet wet in the PL. We are so light in the midfield and I do not see us bringing in someone else this summer, so we need to bring this lad along.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Axl Rose on September 25, 2020, 02:28:56 PM
Going to be a star is Jacob!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 25, 2020, 02:32:20 PM
With performances like last night he deserves a place on the bench. A real joy to watch, strength, balance, good technique and vision, the lad's got the lot.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on September 25, 2020, 04:17:50 PM
With performances like last night he deserves a place on the bench. A real joy to watch, strength, balance, good technique and vision, the lad's got the lot.

Agreed, assuming that Traore starts and Trez drops to the bench, I can see Nakamba and El Ghazi dropping out of the squad altogether.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: CT on September 25, 2020, 05:38:50 PM
Going to be a star is Jacob!

Tell you what, Iíve seen enough promising kids play and look like deer in headlights.

This lad looks very comfortable. Very impressed so far, and he should definitely be on the bench for the Fulham game.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 25, 2020, 05:52:35 PM
he looks great - hopefully he's physically ready for Premier League games.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on September 25, 2020, 08:38:42 PM
Would love to see him get some minutes in the Premier League over the coming weeks. Looks very classy.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: TonyD on September 25, 2020, 08:43:47 PM
How does he compare to L. Barry?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 08:47:05 PM
Far better. Barry, as much potential as he has, is only recently signed and has barely featured so far for the U18s, U21s or U23s. I am aware that he has been carrying an injury and came on as sub this evening but he has a long, long way to go before he reaches first team level. Ramsey is an awesome midfielder and deserves his chance.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 08:59:29 PM
As do Bridge in defence and Archer up front.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on September 25, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
I like the look of Jacob he's going to be a good player.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: TonyD on September 25, 2020, 09:17:29 PM
So all in all the kids could come good.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 09:30:04 PM
So all in all the kids could come good.

I believe so, yes.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Steve67 on September 25, 2020, 10:13:19 PM
This is a tough one.  Do we keep him here for the season and he only gets a sub appearance here and there, but learns from the better quality players he has around him?  Or, send him out on loan with a clause that he plays when fit?   If he goes to somewhere like Norwich, Preston or Brentford, where they all try to play football, he would fit in well. It's a conundrum. Give him a new 5 year contract first, send him on loan.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 25, 2020, 10:17:27 PM
If our better U23s (Ramsey, Archer and Bridge) are not going to get a look-in at the top level then personally I would prefer them to be loaned out as Vassilev has been to Burton Albion. It will give them a chance to show what they are capable of. It worked pretty well for Grealish at Notts County!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 25, 2020, 10:31:17 PM
Keep him for the Stoke game then loan him, at least if we sign another midfielder. He seems to have improved at Doncaster and would likely develop more playing 20-30 games in the Championship, or at least upper League One, then the odd 15-20 minutes for Villa.

Maybe even loan him until the end of December and (if he goes to a team below the Championship) tell them he can't play in the FA Cup so we can give him a game or two in January before making up our minds if he should be loaned out again.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on September 25, 2020, 10:44:23 PM
I'd keep him around, he has something to offer in the first team. Bridge and Archer would benefit from loans though.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: olaftab on September 25, 2020, 10:57:38 PM
Going to be a star is Jacob!
Tell you what, Iíve seen enough promising kids play and look like deer in headlights.
This lad looks very comfortable. Very impressed so far, and he should definitely be on the bench for the Fulham game.
Because of total brilliance of Traore's finish the boy has not had enough praise about that wonderful floated pass. Looks like he could be.....x
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LukeJames on September 28, 2020, 08:56:08 PM
This guy is going to be a player. So comfortable receiving the ball in tight areas. The one two he played with Jack was great and Jack clearly trusts him to play the ball back to him.

Just needs to strengthen up abit but that will come, hopefully another start in the League Cup and continues to get minutes in the League.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on September 28, 2020, 08:59:03 PM
I think a lot depends on what happens with Loftus-Cheek or any other targets. If we get someone, he's got to go on loan. It would be a waste for him to just be on the bench or not in the 18.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 28, 2020, 10:15:33 PM
Good stuff having him on vs Fulham and hoping he gets more play . Good player
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Keeno on September 28, 2020, 11:16:27 PM
I think he's at the level now where we keep him whoever we bring in this season. He needs to be on the bench every game, and be a rotational player. Getting 20-30 minutes for us, training and playing under Smith in this system, I feel would be far more valuable for him than being kicked up in the air in the Championship.

The confidence and calmness on the ball is the thing that really marks him out as a player with real quality. There's an intangible way that he moves with the ball, and the way the rest of the established first teamers trust him with it, that is reminiscent of the way the seniors trusted Grealish, and enough to convince me that he has something to offer to us this season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: manic-road on September 29, 2020, 07:52:47 AM
The dressing room sounds like a really positive place to be right now, great to hear that Jacob was given a round of applause by the team after the game for playing in his first Premier League game.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: algy on September 29, 2020, 08:18:23 AM
That's really good, them giving him a round of applause. Nothing but good vibes from our dressing room at the moment.

I think he's at the level now where we keep him whoever we bring in this season. He needs to be on the bench every game, and be a rotational player. Getting 20-30 minutes for us, training and playing under Smith in this system, I feel would be far more valuable for him than being kicked up in the air in the Championship.

The confidence and calmness on the ball is the thing that really marks him out as a player with real quality. There's an intangible way that he moves with the ball, and the way the rest of the established first teamers trust him with it, that is reminiscent of the way the seniors trusted Grealish, and enough to convince me that he has something to offer to us this season.
I agree. Ramsey's good enough to be challenging for our first team, even with an extra midfielder coming in. At this stage I'd be encouraging him to get himself firmly established as a first team player.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: sickbeggar on September 29, 2020, 08:41:37 AM
I'd keep him here this season. He's on the up confidence wise in familiar surroundings and a hard season in the championship or lower could set him back. Next summer would be the time to loan him.  He's only 19 - little steps.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Keeno on September 29, 2020, 09:36:19 AM
The dressing room sounds like a really positive place to be right now, great to hear that Jacob was given a round of applause by the team after the game for playing in his first Premier League game.


Yep. Love this! Couldn't be further from where we were as a club not all that long ago!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ger Regan on September 29, 2020, 02:15:47 PM
He looks very promising but think he still needs to bulk up.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on September 29, 2020, 05:56:17 PM
We need to learn our lesson from the mistake we've made in recent years where we keep hold of a player too long and in doing so we forsake their development. 

If he can genuinely make a place in the team his own, then keep him. If he's only going to be getting the odd few minutes here and there, his development will benefit much more from playing regular first team football somewhere. Then, in that case, we can make him a regular for us next season when he's 20, filled out more and used to regular senior football.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: AV82EC on September 29, 2020, 06:02:58 PM
We need to learn our lesson from the mistake we've made in recent years where we keep hold of a player too long and in doing so we forsake their development. 

If he can genuinely make a place in the team his own, then keep him. If he's only going to be getting the odd few minutes here and there, his development will benefit much more from playing regular first team football somewhere. Then, in that case, we can make him a regular for us next season when he's 20, filled out more and used to regular senior football.

Iím hoping for this too. If we sign this fabled No8 then he should be sent to an upper half Champ team who like to play football. Itíll be better for his development than sat on our subs bench.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 29, 2020, 06:09:04 PM
Agreed. Our three best prospects (Ramsey, Bridge and Archer) would all benefit from a loan spell at a lower league club. Worked out well for Grealish at Notts County.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 29, 2020, 06:09:48 PM
He looks very promising but think he still needs to bulk up.
like Gabby did?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on September 29, 2020, 06:10:43 PM
Agreed. Our three best prospects (Ramsey, Bridge and Archer) would all benefit from a loan spell at a lower league club. Worked out well for Grealish at Notts County.

And Gary Cahill before him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on September 29, 2020, 07:57:09 PM
He looks a very good prospect.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 29, 2020, 07:59:01 PM
He looks a proper footballer. Most impressed again.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 29, 2020, 09:00:49 PM
It's quite exciting to see someone like this coming through the youth scheme, local lad too.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 29, 2020, 09:58:04 PM
Seeing as Brentford seem to be amazing at developing players can we not send him on loan to Brentford?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 29, 2020, 09:59:41 PM
Isn't Vassilev there now?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave shelley on September 29, 2020, 10:00:59 PM
Isn't Vassilev there now?

Burton.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on September 29, 2020, 10:01:45 PM
Isn't Vassilev there now?

Burton.

Ah, yes. Thank you.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 30, 2020, 07:29:32 AM
The time to send players on loan is the gap between academy under 23 and first team. Players that are in the squad and close to the first team should stay.
Ramsey looks like he is very close , but it seems people would rather watch Muscle Bound Ross. Trundling around the midfield achieving fuck all on a hundred grand a week.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: AV82EC on September 30, 2020, 08:18:35 AM
The time to send players on loan is the gap between academy under 23 and first team. Players that are in the squad and close to the first team should stay.
Ramsey looks like he is very close , but it seems people would rather watch Muscle Bound Ross. Trundling around the midfield achieving fuck all on a hundred grand a week.

Nope Iíd rather he got the right education playing football than sat on his arse getting a few minutes here and there. What was noticeable on Monday night was he is still developing as a man and he did look slightly lightweight compared to others on the pitch. Get him in a decent Championship side for a season and heíll blossom in my view.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: brian green on September 30, 2020, 08:36:20 AM
A certain Gordon looked like a figure from a Lowry painting.  Until you saw him tackle. 
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on September 30, 2020, 08:37:03 AM
Isn't Vassilev there now?
Burton.
As in: gone for one.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on September 30, 2020, 08:38:37 AM
A certain Gordon looked like a figure from a Lowry painting.  Until you saw him tackle. 
Exactly. The sort of all-round midfielder who would thrive even more so now than he did back in the day.
A fantastic player.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: jwarry on September 30, 2020, 09:12:28 AM
A certain Gordon looked like a figure from a Lowry painting.  Until you saw him tackle. 
Exactly. The sort of all-round midfielder who would thrive even more so now than he did back in the day.
A fantastic player.

Yes, probably the best midfielder we have ever had, at least in my lifetime anyway
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: in exile on September 30, 2020, 09:27:22 AM
A certain Gordon looked like a figure from a Lowry painting.  Until you saw him tackle. 
Exactly. The sort of all-round midfielder who would thrive even more so now than he did back in the day.
A fantastic player.

Yes, probably the best midfielder we have ever had, at least in my lifetime anyway
Dennis Mortimer
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave shelley on September 30, 2020, 09:31:40 AM
Brilliant though he was , Denis didn't have Sid's range of passing.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 30, 2020, 09:33:14 AM
Brilliant though he was , Denis didn't have Sid's range of passing.
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ha , who did ? !  :D
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Dick Edwards on September 30, 2020, 09:34:45 AM
Brilliant though he was , Denis didn't have Sid's range of passing.

And with both feet..
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 30, 2020, 09:41:24 AM
Those sliding tackles where he'd end standing up with the ball at his feat were magical
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 30, 2020, 10:00:32 AM
The time to send players on loan is the gap between academy under 23 and first team. Players that are in the squad and close to the first team should stay.
Ramsey looks like he is very close , but it seems people would rather watch Muscle Bound Ross. Trundling around the midfield achieving fuck all on a hundred grand a week.

I'm not sold on Barclay, but I don't necessarily agree that players "close to the first team" should stay. Abraham and Mount would likely have contributed to the Chelsea team had they been there during the 2018/19 season. However, their contributions would have been few and far between. It was much more productive for them and, long-term, for Chelsea to send them on loan to Villa and Derby, respectively.

Ramsey will likely be able to contribute to us in the odd cameo roll and maybe even occasionally start. I feel he would benefit far more, though, from playing week in, week out at a competitive level, and coming back to us battle-hardened and ready for our first team.

Only conditions I would impose would be that, firstly, he should go somewhere he is definitely going to play. If he is just going to sit on the bench he may as well do that here. Secondly, he shouldn't be loaned to any of the local obsessive twats. I donít wish to help any of them out, and our players never come back and do a good job for us afterwards.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on September 30, 2020, 10:46:45 AM
I was too young to see Gordon Cowans as a footballer but he's the origin of me becoming a Villa fan at age 7. Gordon was friends with my Grandad and was a regular customer at his shop. My Grandad arranged with him to get me a Villa shirt and a signed football. That led to me becoming a Villa fan when I was on the path to becoming a glory hunting Liverpool fan before then.

I also knew someone who was a youth apprentice at the time Cowans played for us and he had some training sessions alongside him. He said he was as hard as nails and not someone to mess with.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on September 30, 2020, 11:00:56 AM
I was to young to see Gordon Cowans as a footballer but he's the origin of me becoming a Villa fan at age 7. Gordon was friends with my Grandad and was a regular customer at his shop. My Grandad arranged with him to get me a Villa shirt and a signed football. That led to me becoming a Villa fan when I was on the path to becoming a glory hunting Liverpool fan before then.
I also knew someone who was a youth apprentice at the time Cowans played for us and he had some training sessions alongside him. He said he was as hard as nails and not someone to mess with.
Criminal that he only got 17 international caps at all levels. At the time - late 70's - early 80's - he and Glenn Hoddle were way ahead of the other candidates for the creative roles in the England side. Instead, the likes of Sammy Lee, Alan Devonshire, Graham Rix, Terry McDermott and Gary Steven were getting games.  Not all those mentioned were like-for-like, but the magic of Cowans and Hoddle combined was never properly tested.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: WarszaVillan on September 30, 2020, 01:41:57 PM
The time to send players on loan is the gap between academy under 23 and first team. Players that are in the squad and close to the first team should stay.
Ramsey looks like he is very close , but it seems people would rather watch Muscle Bound Ross. Trundling around the midfield achieving fuck all on a hundred grand a week.

I'm not sold on
The time to send players on loan is the gap between academy under 23 and first team. Players that are in the squad and close to the first team should stay.
Ramsey looks like he is very close , but it seems people would rather watch Muscle Bound Ross. Trundling around the midfield achieving fuck all on a hundred grand a week.

I'm not sold on Barclay, but I don't necessarily agree that players "close to the first team" should stay. Abraham and Mount would likely have contributed to the Chelsea team had they been there during the 2018/19 season. However, their contributions would have been few and far between. It was much more productive for them and, long-term, for Chelsea to send them on loan to Villa and Derby, respectively.

Ramsey will likely be able to contribute to us in the odd cameo roll and maybe even occasionally start. I feel he would benefit far more, though, from playing week in, week out at a competitive level, and coming back to us battle-hardened and ready for our first team.

Only conditions I would impose would be that, firstly, he should go somewhere he is definitely going to play. If he is just going to sit on the bench he may as well do that here. Secondly, he shouldn't be loaned to any of the local obsessive twats. I donít wish to help any of them out, and our players never come back and do a good job for us afterwards.
, but I don't necessarily agree that players "close to the first team" should stay. Abraham and Mount would likely have contributed to the Chelsea team had they been there during the 2018/19 season. However, their contributions would have been few and far between. It was much more productive for them and, long-term, for Chelsea to send them on loan to Villa and Derby, respectively.

Ramsey will likely be able to contribute to us in the odd cameo roll and maybe even occasionally start. I feel he would benefit far more, though, from playing week in, week out at a competitive level, and coming back to us battle-hardened and ready for our first team.

Only conditions I would impose would be that, firstly, he should go somewhere he is definitely going to play. If he is just going to sit on the bench he may as well do that here. Secondly, he shouldn't be loaned to any of the local obsessive twats. I donít wish to help any of them out, and our players never come back and do a good job for us afterwards.

I see Barclay has beome the new Ramsay :)
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 30, 2020, 02:24:54 PM
Well, at least I know how to do a quote and spell Warsaw properly 😉
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on October 01, 2020, 01:57:03 AM
Has Hoddle ever commented much on Sid?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on October 01, 2020, 08:54:13 AM
Has Hoddle ever commented much on Sid?
I don't recall him doing so, but then Glen was / is a bit up himself.
The classic Cowans game was in August 1978, after the Argentine World Cup win. Spurs had just purchased Ardiles and Ricky Villa and faced AV in their first home game of the season. We won 4-1 and Cowans gave Hoddle and Ardiles a masterclass in midfield play.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SteveN on October 01, 2020, 10:43:18 AM
Has Hoddle ever commented much on Sid?
I don't recall him doing so, but then Glen was / is a bit up himself.
The classic Cowans game was in August 1978, after the Argentine World Cup win. Spurs had just purchased Ardiles and Ricky Villa and faced AV in their first home game of the season. We won 4-1 and Cowans gave Hoddle and Ardiles a masterclass in midfield play.

I was at that game with three Spurs supporting friends.  Cowans as you say was masterful and if I remember correctly we  had a few injuries and John Gregory played up front.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: robbo1874 on October 01, 2020, 11:38:52 AM
Those sliding tackles where he'd end standing up with the ball at his feat were magical
i tried to teach myself to do that. 99/100 it would never come off, but the one time you managed it- made you feel pretty good about things!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Lastfootstamper on October 01, 2020, 11:57:20 AM
Those sliding tackles where he'd end standing up with the ball at his feat were magical
i tried to teach myself to do that. 99/100 it would never come off, but the one time you managed it- made you feel pretty good about things!

Way above my pay grade, those. Tried one once, nearly lost a knee.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on October 01, 2020, 12:35:00 PM
Garry Parker was also a tidy exponent that kind of tackle, when he could be arsed to chase someone.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 01, 2020, 01:22:08 PM
I reckon today if Platty moved from his lounge to the kitchen, Cowans would find him with a pass. It was almost telepathic. And although spoon face rarely mentions us he is always positive about Sids contribution to his rise
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Monty on October 01, 2020, 06:27:21 PM
Starts tonight. Good luck lad!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on October 01, 2020, 06:44:46 PM
Yes. Would have liked to have seen Bridge and Archer given an opportunity from the subs bench as well but think Smith has decided that Ramsey is the one to develop in the first team.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on October 01, 2020, 08:39:58 PM
Poor tonight.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on October 01, 2020, 08:41:13 PM
Not great at all but better than Lansbury and AEG who are/were awful.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: villadelph on October 01, 2020, 08:45:59 PM
He's a teenager playing against Stoke.. Į\_(ツ)_/Į
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on October 01, 2020, 08:49:09 PM
I thought he was decent in the first half but got bullied out of it in the 2nd half. Was the right call to take him off.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dcdavecollett on October 03, 2020, 01:52:19 AM
Did one brilliant turn in the box before the break that nearly led to a goal.

At the moment, he seems to run out of steam just after the hour mark.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 03, 2020, 06:39:31 AM
Not great at all but better than Lansbury and AEG who are/were awful.
I played better than AEG and Angela.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on November 20, 2020, 03:31:34 PM
Resurrecting this one a bit to point out that he's been included as the 26th player on the official squad photo the club put out earlier. Good lad, i hope we see more of him this season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on November 20, 2020, 03:44:44 PM
Man, these photocalls get later each year! Used to love when Match or Shoot included them as poster pull-outs every August. Those and the free team-trackers and fixture lists ramped the excitement into overdrive. 

I seem to remember having a massive Nottingham Forest squad poster on my wall (may have been Clough's last season) so starved I was of TV coverage of the Villa. I even had a  poster of Southampton journeyman Glenn Cockerill hung-up there.

Despite clearly being in the Villa way, my 8 year old brain seemed to think that any posters in these magazines were fair game to be adorned in bedrooms regardless of your actual team. It was enough to celebrate the beautiful game, one in which there was even room for Glenn Cockerill.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: CT on November 20, 2020, 06:58:30 PM
Man, these photocalls get later each year! Used to love when Match or Shoot included them as poster pull-outs every August. Those and the free team-trackers and fixture lists ramped the excitement into overdrive. 

I seem to remember having a massive Nottingham Forest squad poster on my wall (may have been Clough's last season) so starved I was of TV coverage of the Villa. I even had a  poster of Southampton journeyman Glenn Cockerill hung-up there.

Despite clearly being in the Villa way, my 8 year old brain seemed to think that any posters in these magazines were fair game to be adorned in bedrooms regardless of your actual team. It was enough to celebrate the beautiful game, one in which there was even room for Glenn Cockerill.

Good days! There would often be a late signing who would be added in a square in the top corner, normally still in the kit of the team heíd left.

...and those league ladders from Shoot! magazine. I had loads of em and always left Villa at the top. One year it was genuine!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on November 20, 2020, 07:15:30 PM
Loved the League Ladders. Spent hours on a Sunday morning updating them after the previous days games. these days you'd have to do it every day
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: VILLA MOLE on November 20, 2020, 07:55:50 PM
Man, these photocalls get later each year! Used to love when Match or Shoot included them as poster pull-outs every August. Those and the free team-trackers and fixture lists ramped the excitement into overdrive. 

I seem to remember having a massive Nottingham Forest squad poster on my wall (may have been Clough's last season) so starved I was of TV coverage of the Villa. I even had a  poster of Southampton journeyman Glenn Cockerill hung-up there.

Despite clearly being in the Villa way, my 8 year old brain seemed to think that any posters in these magazines were fair game to be adorned in bedrooms regardless of your actual team. It was enough to celebrate the beautiful game, one in which there was even room for Glenn Cockerill.

Good days! There would often be a late signing who would be added in a square in the top corner, normally still in the kit of the team heíd left.

...and those league ladders from Shoot! magazine. I had loads of em and always left Villa at the top. One year it was genuine!


Cutting out pictures 1 to 11 of the team on your wall , loved it
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: tony scott on November 22, 2020, 03:26:52 AM
I canít understand why he canít get on the bench would be ideal to replace Barkley IMO
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: pelty on December 08, 2020, 02:50:42 PM
Would prefer to see Ramsey given an opportunity. We know what we get with Hourihane and it is distinctly "meh."
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on December 08, 2020, 03:01:20 PM
Personally I think keeping Ramsey around insteasd of a half season loan will prove to have been a mistake if he doesn't get a bit more than the handful of minutes he's been given so far. He's at an age where the best thing for him is to be playing a lot of games but we're not playing him in the first team, not playing him in the U23s and didn't send him out on loan so all he's getting right now is training and no chance to put anything into practice.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: pelty on December 08, 2020, 09:02:49 PM
True, but I would like to see him get a run on Saturday.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on December 08, 2020, 09:05:06 PM
Personally I think keeping Ramsey around insteasd of a half season loan will prove to have been a mistake if he doesn't get a bit more than the handful of minutes he's been given so far. He's at an age where the best thing for him is to be playing a lot of games but we're not playing him in the first team, not playing him in the U23s and didn't send him out on loan so all he's getting right now is training and no chance to put anything into practice.

Agreed, which is why I am pleased that Archer has been given the chance to impress at Solihull Moors for the last couple of months. Invaluable experience for him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 12, 2020, 02:38:58 PM
Well done young man on your debut. You did very well indeed.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: West Derby Villan on December 12, 2020, 02:40:21 PM
Competent debut, all you could ask for in a feisty West Midland Derby, well done Jacob
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 12, 2020, 02:43:28 PM
I hardly really noticed him - which in a game of that sort is meant as a compliment.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: sickbeggar on December 12, 2020, 02:52:30 PM
Didn't look out of place. Not the game i would have stuck a kid in for his debut so they obviously rate him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Singapore Villa on December 12, 2020, 02:55:47 PM
Thought he did very well.  Calm and composed.  Clearly very capable and a prospect.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 12, 2020, 03:03:57 PM
I thought he did well.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 12, 2020, 03:18:16 PM
Nicely anonymous, if you know what I mean. Didn't seem to be particularly running out of steam either, which is good. Looked like a very useful addition to our midfield armoury.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: J on December 12, 2020, 03:23:58 PM
Looked decent and I'd certainly persist with him ahead of Hourihane
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Matt C on December 12, 2020, 03:31:06 PM
Keeps his place with Luiz suspended I reckon. Did well.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Lastfootstamper on December 12, 2020, 03:42:25 PM
I'd play him Thursday, too.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: tomd2103 on December 12, 2020, 03:47:21 PM
Looked decent and I'd certainly persist with him ahead of Hourihane

Solid rather spectacular today.  Haven't seen any real quality from him in the final third yet, but young players sometimes don't want to take risks and make mistakes early on their careers.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 12, 2020, 04:10:35 PM
He delivered one absolute peach of a first time cross to the far post, where Jack would have nodded in were it not for some good defending.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on December 12, 2020, 04:32:51 PM
The important thing today was that he made himself available and showed confidence in holding on to the ball and getting his head up. I suspect the coaches will be thrilled with him because he just played his game and didn't let the 'event' get to him, given he was up against Moutinho who's ben a top player for about 15 years I thought he did really well.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on December 12, 2020, 04:40:31 PM
I would put Hourihane in for Luiz on Thursday and keep with Ramsey and McGinn against Burnley. Although...will Barkley be ready?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on December 12, 2020, 05:08:11 PM
He didnít look out of place, which for a Premier League debut is good going. Much more to come from him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: WarszaVillan on December 12, 2020, 05:12:25 PM
It was a difficult game to come in for because Wolves are very physical and the game was a bit of a scrap. He did well though and I think we'll see a lot more of him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PeterWithe on December 12, 2020, 05:13:46 PM
He wasn't shy about going over when he looked like losing possession was he.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on December 12, 2020, 05:19:35 PM
He played well today.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 28, 2020, 10:53:45 PM
So close to winning the game with his first touch !
Good to see him involved today vs Chelsea.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on December 28, 2020, 10:55:30 PM
Yep, plus he did really to dig another shot out in injury time which we won a corner from. Seems to have a bit of everything. Looks to have firmly supplanted Conor too.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on December 29, 2020, 01:07:36 PM
Don't think Connor has the work-rate that now seems to be a requirement to get into this team.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Singapore Villa on December 29, 2020, 01:10:34 PM
Agreed.  He is ahead of Conor now in the pecking order....
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: VILLA MOLE on December 29, 2020, 01:17:20 PM
Don't think Connor has the work-rate that now seems to be a requirement to get into this team.


I think he works hard but doesnít have the legs Ramsey has
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: algy on December 29, 2020, 01:28:55 PM
I think it's a bit of a 'changing of the guard's thing. Conor is a capable operator at this level. However, he's moved down the pecking order far enough that - for the amount of game time he'll get - we may as well pick a youngster.

If they were playing 20-30 games a season, I'd have Hourihane over Ramsey any day of the week. He offers a threat from set pieces, a load of experience, and a bit more overall maturity as a player. For 10-20 games though, we're better getting Ramsey some game time. He'll offer just as much of a threat with the more limited game time / game plans not built around his specific skills.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on December 29, 2020, 01:35:57 PM
I think it's a bit of a 'changing of the guard's thing. Conor is a capable operator at this level. However, he's moved down the pecking order far enough that - for the amount of game time he'll get - we may as well pick a youngster.

If they were playing 20-30 games a season, I'd have Hourihane over Ramsey any day of the week. He offers a threat from set pieces, a load of experience, and a bit more overall maturity as a player. For 10-20 games though, we're better getting Ramsey some game time. He'll offer just as much of a threat with the more limited game time / game plans not built around his specific skills.

I think itís more that Connorís touch and movement isnít quick enough to do what we need to do and never will be (not for the want of trying, of that I have no doubt), we may as well give the kid the chance to see if he can, and the signs are very promising.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2020, 01:40:29 PM
I like Conor and am grateful for his contribution since he's been with us.  It's becoming more clear though that he's not really at the level we're currently playing at and aspire to stay at.  Ramsey might be, so it makes more sense to find out if he can cut it.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Monty on December 29, 2020, 01:46:13 PM
Agreed with all the above. And more's the point, the kid looks really sharp in the very tight situations he's been introduced in, which is really encouraging.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on December 29, 2020, 01:49:58 PM
Conor is a free agent in 6months and I don't see any chance we'll offer him a new contract so ignoring anything else giving Ramsey the 10-15minute cameos ahead of him is just sensible management.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if we actually let him go in this window, it's nothing personal and I think he's done a very good job for us but at his age he needs to be playing regularly and that's not going to happen in this Villa squad.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 29, 2020, 01:56:18 PM
I'd be surprised if we let him go. He has already played this season. We are likely to pick up more injuries in the second part of the season as the increase midweek games and replayed postponed matches take their toll.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on December 29, 2020, 02:07:48 PM
It depends what we do in January. When Barkley and Mings are back in the squad, I assume Engels and Taylor drop out.  If we bring in another attacking player, I don't think we'll have room in the squad for 3 central midfielders, so Hourihane would probably be the one to miss out.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 29, 2020, 02:16:03 PM
Wouldn't take much of an injury crisis to get him back in. We would only get pennies for him anyway, I'd be happy to keep him even if it is only as cover for a few months. Even more so if we can have a run in the cup.

I would like us to sign a genuine free kick specialist. May as well take advantage of how many times Jack gets kicked. That should be a priority when we look to upgrade. Could be worth at least half a dozen goals a season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on December 29, 2020, 02:18:23 PM
Wouldn't take much of an injury crisis to get him back in. We would only get pennies for him anyway, I'd be happy to keep him even if it is only as cover for a few months. Even more so if we can have a run in the cup.

I would like us to sign a genuine free kick specialist. May as well take advantage of how many times Jack gets kicked. That should be a priority when we look to updated. Could be worth at least half a dozen goals a season.

Is that Paraguayan goalie still knocking about?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Monty on December 29, 2020, 02:18:37 PM
With Conor, it's advisable to remember the wilderness AEG was in only a few weeks ago, and now look at him. Not that I think such a renaissance is likely, and we'll probably let him go and upgrade in the summer, but he could still play a valuable role in the Cup for instance (set pieces still decide tight games).
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: not3bad on December 29, 2020, 02:25:32 PM
With all of the above in mind it will be interesting to see how we line up against Liverpool in the cup because I feel sure we will be ringing the changes for that one.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on December 29, 2020, 02:33:33 PM
Wouldn't take much of an injury crisis to get him back in. We would only get pennies for him anyway, I'd be happy to keep him even if it is only as cover for a few months. Even more so if we can have a run in the cup.

I would like us to sign a genuine free kick specialist. May as well take advantage of how many times Jack gets kicked. That should be a priority when we look to updated. Could be worth at least half a dozen goals a season.

Is that Paraguayan goalie still knocking about?

I would fucking love a free kick specialist goalie. Preferably with a bandana. Can whoever attends the next Fan Meeting request one for me, please? Sorry, Martinez. Just making loads of good saves all the time is a bit yawny boring "meh".
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: CT Villan on December 29, 2020, 03:49:48 PM
I would fucking love a free kick specialist goalie. Preferably with a bandana. Can whoever attends the next Fan Meeting request one for me, please? Sorry, Martinez. Just making loads of good saves all the time is a bit yawny boring "meh".

While we're at it let's sign Ramůn Quiroga too, the opposition would be afraid to leave their own box (despite the fact he's now 70).
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on December 29, 2020, 04:21:37 PM
And the Rick James tribute act that used to do the Scorpion kick.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on December 29, 2020, 04:33:28 PM
Rene Higuita
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: geolex on January 01, 2021, 06:55:31 AM
Wouldn't take much of an injury crisis to get him back in. We would only get pennies for him anyway, I'd be happy to keep him even if it is only as cover for a few months. Even more so if we can have a run in the cup.

I would like us to sign a genuine free kick specialist. May as well take advantage of how many times Jack gets kicked. That should be a priority when we look to updated. Could be worth at least half a dozen goals a season.

Is that Paraguayan goalie still knocking about?
Josť Luis Chilavert....59 goals in 729 apps  not bad for a goalkeeper plus 8 goals  for Paraguay
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: j66acd on January 01, 2021, 07:02:43 AM
Wouldnít be a transfer window if we didnít sign a keeper.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Steve67 on January 01, 2021, 10:06:46 AM
Conor is a free agent in 6months and I don't see any chance we'll offer him a new contract so ignoring anything else giving Ramsey the 10-15minute cameos ahead of him is just sensible management.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if we actually let him go in this window, it's nothing personal and I think he's done a very good job for us but at his age he needs to be playing regularly and that's not going to happen in this Villa squad.

Didn't Hourihane sign a contract extension when we got promoted?  Ramsey is going to be a solid player and I hope it given his chance at Villa. Don't send him out on loan, he will learn more from playing with the first team.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on January 01, 2021, 10:46:31 AM
Conor is a free agent in 6months and I don't see any chance we'll offer him a new contract so ignoring anything else giving Ramsey the 10-15minute cameos ahead of him is just sensible management.

I wouldn't be overly surprised if we actually let him go in this window, it's nothing personal and I think he's done a very good job for us but at his age he needs to be playing regularly and that's not going to happen in this Villa squad.

Didn't Hourihane sign a contract extension when we got promoted?  Ramsey is going to be a solid player and I hope it given his chance at Villa. Don't send him out on loan, he will learn more from playing with the first team.

I think his original deal was due to finish last summer and he signed a 1 year extension when we got promoted so he's in the last 6months now.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 21, 2021, 04:46:25 PM
Soo close again to scoring would have been a simple finish vs Man City yesterday and would like to see him in vs Newacstle
Think Barkley could have come off a little sooner actually for Ramsey
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 22, 2021, 06:22:29 PM
Agree footy, he was looking a bit tired.

Mind you, quite a few were after the hour-mark.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on January 22, 2021, 07:03:10 PM
He should start tomorrow. No point playing around with the system.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Clampy on January 22, 2021, 07:07:59 PM
It will be interesting to see if he does  as McGinn has been playing slightly deeper and Ramsey plays further forward doesnt he?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on January 22, 2021, 07:16:32 PM
He played as an 8 against the Wovles and you'd think Dougie anchoring will be sufficient against these.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 22, 2021, 07:46:18 PM
Heís definitely got talent and looks assured.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Steve67 on January 22, 2021, 08:35:08 PM
Be good to see him get another full game.  Going to be a very good player.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Dave on February 09, 2021, 02:06:10 PM
Signed a four and a half year contract.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LukeJames on February 09, 2021, 02:24:14 PM
Great stuff, I'm excited to see how good he can become. I like what I've seen so far.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: jwarry on February 09, 2021, 02:49:23 PM
Keep forgetting he is just 19 as he just takes everything in his stride.  I reckon we have star on our hands so we need to make sure we donít block his path with expensive signings
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Moonraker on February 09, 2021, 03:02:10 PM
Another positive added to a whole long list of positives
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 09, 2021, 03:21:18 PM
Pleased with Jacob committing his future to Villa! Jacob may just save the club spending a needless £30+m on an incoming transfer.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: john2710 on February 09, 2021, 03:46:14 PM
Great to see him sign on for that length. Shows how highly they value him.

I see him in the Barkley / Dele Ali type player. Would be good for him to learn the role as part of the squad over the next season or so before becoming first choice.

It won't be long before he's banging in the goals..
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: AV82EC on February 09, 2021, 06:44:26 PM
We just need to look at what Pep has done with Foden, thereís your blueprint about how you bring through good young talent. Donít rush it.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: AV82EC on February 09, 2021, 06:47:08 PM
Pleased with Jacob committing his future to Villa! Jacob may just save the club spending a needless £30+m on an incoming transfer.

Because of his age, I donít think he counts as part of the 25 either does he? Probably talking out of my arse but I thought U23s werenít included so you could still have the £30+million signing as well as?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: algy on February 09, 2021, 06:53:58 PM
Really chuffed for both him & the club.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: frank black on February 09, 2021, 07:09:42 PM
Excellent news, can we just give Konsa a massive new deal too please.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on February 09, 2021, 09:26:42 PM
I'm glad he's signed a new contract that's great news.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: VILLA MOLE on February 09, 2021, 09:28:00 PM
Excellent news, can we just give Konsa a massive new deal too please.


I imagine they are working on this
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 10, 2021, 07:21:37 AM
Anyone want to speculate how much his first big contract will be worth?  Complete guess but Iíd say £15k a week on the basis that if heís good another contract will follow shortly after, maybe even next year.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: manic-road on February 10, 2021, 07:58:03 AM
Good news for him and the club, looks a promising player who no doubt Dean will develop and improve.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on February 10, 2021, 11:51:43 AM
I really like the look of this kid and hope that he gets some more game time.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Rudy65 on February 21, 2021, 04:08:56 PM
Start him next game. He looked lively today. Give him a run whilst Jack is out
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2021, 04:10:17 PM
I like him, energetic and dynamic in his play.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on February 21, 2021, 04:13:17 PM
I think his time has come
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: andyh on February 21, 2021, 04:14:27 PM
Getting better and better with every game he is involved in.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Steve67 on February 21, 2021, 04:15:27 PM
Showed more in his cameo than McGinn, Luiz or Barkley all game, although SJM got better.  Earns a start for me. Play him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Nunkin1965 on February 21, 2021, 04:24:15 PM
He's ready.
With Jack out and Barkley a passenger he'll hopefully get a start in the next game.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on February 21, 2021, 06:18:11 PM
Interesting that the commentator said he's really impressed in training the past couple of weeks. I assume he's heard that from someone. He will be pushing for a starting place at this rate.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on February 21, 2021, 06:32:12 PM
It seems every young player coming through the ranks get, understandably, lionised.
 
Energetic? Yes. Capable of unlocking Premier League defences in Jackís absence? I donít think so. In the brief appearances heís made, heís nothing special. However, Iím not a Premier League manager trying to fill a Grealish size hole in the team.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: aj2k77 on February 21, 2021, 06:33:04 PM
We really need to start giving our younger players opportunities.

We aren't going to learn any more about Barkley now. This kid should be thrown in so we can see what he can do. We have Leeds, Sheffield, Wolves and Newcastle coming up, not fixtures to terrify you, give him his shot from the off and let's see what he can do with the responsibility.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on February 21, 2021, 06:33:46 PM
I think he is special, but nobody is suggesting he is a Grealish replacement. Completely different sort of player.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on February 21, 2021, 06:46:38 PM
It seems every young player coming through the ranks get, understandably, lionised.
 
Energetic? Yes. Capable of unlocking Premier League defences in Jackís absence? I donít think so. In the brief appearances heís made, heís nothing special. However, Iím not a Premier League manager trying to fill a Grealish size hole in the team.

If the 25-year old version of Grealish is going to be your yardstick to judge every kid coming through, that's a hell of a benchmark.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: algy on February 21, 2021, 06:54:17 PM
It seems every young player coming through the ranks get, understandably, lionised.
 
Energetic? Yes. Capable of unlocking Premier League defences in Jackís absence? I donít think so. In the brief appearances heís made, heís nothing special. However, Iím not a Premier League manager trying to fill a Grealish size hole in the team.
I tend to agree in as much as the lad's 19, let's not put the entire responsibility for unlocking premier league defences on him just yet.

For what it's worth, I think he's showing more for us than Barkley is right now, and I'd not be against giving him a couple of starts this term, maybe when we're in slightly better form. I think he's showing enough that he might be pushing for a regular first team place in a couple of years.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2021, 07:03:05 PM
Lets find him a spot in the side against Leeds.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 21, 2021, 07:05:26 PM
It seems every young player coming through the ranks get, understandably, lionised.
 
Energetic? Yes. Capable of unlocking Premier League defences in Jackís absence? I donít think so. In the brief appearances heís made, heís nothing special. However, Iím not a Premier League manager trying to fill a Grealish size hole in the team.

Thatís kind of where I am, although not quite as down on him. Iím hopeful he can develop into a good player, but as of yet I havenít seen anything remarkable. Thatís not writing him off, but Iím not seeing anything thatís making me think he has to start.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: tomd2103 on February 21, 2021, 07:06:36 PM
Did well when he came on today.  Gives us that bit of energy which Barkley isn't at the moment. 
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on February 21, 2021, 07:14:05 PM
It seems every young player coming through the ranks get, understandably, lionised.
 Energetic? Yes. Capable of unlocking Premier League defences in Jackís absence? I donít think so. In the brief appearances heís made, heís nothing special. However, Iím not a Premier League manager trying to fill a Grealish size hole in the team.
Thatís kind of where I am, although not quite as down on him. Iím hopeful he can develop into a good player, but as of yet I havenít seen anything remarkable. Thatís not writing him off, but Iím not seeing anything thatís making me think he has to start.
Disagree.
He has a simplicity about his play and an understanding of where to be on the pitch. He's no Grealish, but I think he'll mature into a really good #8-style player.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on February 21, 2021, 07:16:24 PM
Not being as good as Jack Grealish is going to make it very hard to like any player we sign or bring through over the next 30 years.

Lets face it, if he sticks around for the next few years, and I think he will, he'll be the greatest player to play for club.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on February 21, 2021, 07:22:05 PM
Not being as good as Jack Grealish is going to make it very hard to like any player we sign or bring through over the next 30 years.
Lets face it, if he sticks around for the next few years, and I think he will, he'll be the greatest player to play for club.
What, Ramsey??
Praise indeed, if you consider the standard set by JG
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on February 21, 2021, 10:42:49 PM
Ramsey is a baller and he will prove this when he gets a proper run in the side.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on February 22, 2021, 11:00:01 AM
Not being as good as Jack Grealish is going to make it very hard to like any player we sign or bring through over the next 30 years.

Lets face it, if he sticks around for the next few years, and I think he will, he'll be the greatest player to play for club.

Especially if people are going by the current version of Jack. We forget that at 19, Jack was still a raw talent.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Bobby Boy on February 22, 2021, 11:05:45 AM
Did well when he came on today.  Gives us that bit of energy which Barkley isn't at the moment. 

Definitely. He did well at Wolves too. Hope he starts on Saturday.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 22, 2021, 12:27:16 PM
I like him and would like to see more of him. Good balance, plays with his head up, does simple things well and moved into space to receive the ball.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 22, 2021, 02:52:44 PM
I may be wrong but I think the only premier league game that Ramsey has started in was Wolves away, where he gave a good account of himself - he was tidy, disciplined, kept to his task and helped the team stick to its shape against decent opposition - and win.  I am mystified as to why he has yet to be selected to start another league game, especially when one considers the 'form' of some of those who have repeatedly been selected to start ahead of him.  When he has come as a sub, usually with not many minutes left, he has done well.  What a time it is to blood a promising youngster, without the pressure of crowds in the grounds, and already safe from relegation.  For goodness sake Smith, just bloody play him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: vilan461 on February 22, 2021, 03:18:18 PM
thought he added effort and energy yesterday----definately worth a start at Leeds,
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 22, 2021, 03:55:59 PM
From what I've seen of Ramsey there's nothing to point at him not being able to do a job. He looks a very talented lad that looks the part, good technique, vision, an eye for goal, confident and full of energy, something we are sorely missing.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: DrGonzo on February 22, 2021, 05:22:25 PM
Agree he looks comfortable at this level.  I'd rather he wasn't being asked to start at this stage of his career as it can overwhelm.  It's good to see him regularly though, and bu next season I would expect him to be pushing for a starting spot.  Well done young fella!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: andyh on February 22, 2021, 05:32:14 PM
Agree he looks comfortable at this level.  I'd rather he wasn't being asked to start at this stage of his career as it can overwhelm.  It's good to see him regularly though, and bu next season I would expect him to be pushing for a starting spot.  Well done young fella!
If you are good enough........
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on February 22, 2021, 05:44:28 PM
I think he needs regular game time and it should include some starts, 4-5 starts and a similar number of appearances from the bench by the end of the season would be my aim with him and then fully into the mix for starting next year. Some people will want him to go out on loan but I'm not sure he needs it, he looks ready to be a rotation option in the premier league to me.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 12, 2021, 10:20:10 PM
I really hope he develops and being around the squad benefits him, but he shouldnít be starting at the moment. I just feel like we carry him a bit when heís playing. He shows some promise, but heís not done enough to start at least for me.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Rudy65 on March 12, 2021, 10:21:48 PM
I really hope he develops and being around the squad benefits him, but he shouldnít be starting at the moment. I just feel like we carry him a bit when heís playing. He shows some promise, but heís not done enough to start at least for me.

Given the alternatives such as Barkley Iíd keep him in. Plus Sanson for McGinn who is no longer so super
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2021, 10:27:07 PM
He was a little boy lost tonight. Barkely offered more quality.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 12, 2021, 10:30:46 PM
I really hope he develops and being around the squad benefits him, but he shouldnít be starting at the moment. I just feel like we carry him a bit when heís playing. He shows some promise, but heís not done enough to start at least for me.

Given the alternatives such as Barkley Iíd keep him in. Plus Sanson for McGinn who is no longer so super

Nah Barkley or Sanson offer more than him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Rudy65 on March 12, 2021, 10:31:10 PM
He was a little boy lost tonight. Barkely offered more quality.

Maybe but blimey amongst a pile of mediocrity he was no worse than the rest of our midfield and front 3
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: brontebilly on March 12, 2021, 10:32:19 PM
He was a little boy lost tonight. Barkely offered more quality.

Was like the occasion was too much for him or something. Has looked better coming off the bench maybe.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: aj2k77 on March 12, 2021, 10:56:27 PM
Nowhere near good enough yet. How can Sanson be on the bench?

Shit, negative selection.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Rudy65 on March 12, 2021, 11:01:04 PM
He was a little boy lost tonight. Barkely offered more quality.

Barkley looks like he is running through treacle. Just so slow in possession and easily pushed around despite his supposed big physique caught in possession too often. Smith clearly has seen the light and wonít be signing him. Thankfully
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 12, 2021, 11:03:21 PM
From what I've seen he's neat and tidy on the ball. Thought the only really poor game he's had in prem was at Sheffield United where he was bullied out of things.

Still learning period for him but he's being trusted especially as season is fizzling out so makes sense.

One little worry is he dosen't seem to have much of a killer pass once he drifts into final third, too often goes sideways or makes the simple pass.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on March 12, 2021, 11:24:49 PM
He's not good enough. Yet. Should be on the bench, not starting.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 12, 2021, 11:27:25 PM
He's not good enough. Yet. Should be on the bench, not starting.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2021, 08:47:52 AM
He's a young player, doing well. This experience will do him the world of good. Of course he's inconsistent at times, that's almost inevitable but he shows some real promise.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2021, 08:51:03 AM
He's a young player, doing well. This experience will do him the world of good. Of course he's inconsistent at times, that's almost inevitable but he shows some real promise.

He has got real promise, but I don't think he's quite ready for how Smith is using him. He's another one who could do with a season long loan at a big Championship club where he'll play every match. Then get him back and start introducing him gradually.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 13, 2021, 09:09:12 AM
This is where a loan would have been beneficial.  Right now Iím not sure he knows what sort of midfielder he is going to be; is he his best as a box-to-box getting stuck in or does pushing forward and taking risks suit him better?  Heís definitely a decent athlete and has a good touch so shows plenty of promise.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2021, 09:15:08 AM
I havenít got a clue what we are trying to do in midfield, absolutely no shape or structure and made worse by our wide men running down cul de sacs whilst our centre forward is being marked out the game.
You can hardly blame Ramsey for the malaise.
Just before he got pulled we had a break with Ramsey carrying the ball, Watkins made a poor run should have pulled wider, Ramsey passed the ball, Watkins mis- controlled it, shouted at Ramsey and then Smith subbed him.
Great way to build a youngsters confidence.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2021, 09:17:05 AM
Itís a common call on here when a young player isnít quite delivering, loan him out that will fix it.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on March 13, 2021, 09:31:28 AM
I havenít got a clue what we are trying to do in midfield, absolutely no shape or structure and made worse by our wide men running down cul de sacs whilst our centre forward is being marked out the game.
You can hardly blame Ramsey for the malaise.
Just before he got pulled we had a break with Ramsey carrying the ball, Watkins made a poor run should have pulled wider, Ramsey passed the ball, Watkins mis- controlled it, shouted at Ramsey and then Smith subbed him.
Great way to build a youngsters confidence.
Totally - this is how I saw it (and, probably like you, I was shouting at the telly when Ramsey released to Watkins too early). We've done really well so far this season but now that the oppo know how we play, we need to find a way to make better uses of the resources we have. At the moment I cannot see how the way the players are playing is going to create the magic that opens teams up.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on March 13, 2021, 09:32:18 AM
I'd like to see him on loan in the Championship for the first half of next season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on March 13, 2021, 11:25:27 AM
He struggled last night as did pretty much the entire team so I wouldn't single him out.

I'm not convinced that loaning him out is the answer - a lot would depend on where he went, the quality of the coaching (and environment) and how he might be used.

Keinan Davis needs to play a lot of competitive football in part for his development and in part to allow for a meaningful assessment of what he offers, i.e. how good he will be. With Ramsey, I think it is clear he is going to be a good/very good player so it is more about mapping his development.

Being in and around our first team, particularly as we increase the quality through recruitment might well serve him better than playing 40+ games for a Championship side with little constructive coaching.

As we know the Championship is: Prepare-Play-Recover (repeat). I'm not sure a season of that is better long-term than being involved in the Villa first team squad.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2021, 02:46:25 PM
He struggled last night as did pretty much the entire team so I wouldn't single him out.

I'm not convinced that loaning him out is the answer - a lot would depend on where he went, the quality of the coaching (and environment) and how he might be used.

Keinan Davis needs to play a lot of competitive football in part for his development and in part to allow for a meaningful assessment of what he offers, i.e. how good he will be. With Ramsey, I think it is clear he is going to be a good/very good player so it is more about mapping his development.

Being in and around our first team, particularly as we increase the quality through recruitment might well serve him better than playing 40+ games for a Championship side with little constructive coaching.

As we know the Championship is: Prepare-Play-Recover (repeat). I'm not sure a season of that is better long-term than being involved in the Villa first team squad.
agree,
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 13, 2021, 02:46:37 PM
I havenít got a clue what we are trying to do in midfield, absolutely no shape or structure and made worse by our wide men running down cul de sacs whilst our centre forward is being marked out the game.
You can hardly blame Ramsey for the malaise.
Just before he got pulled we had a break with Ramsey carrying the ball, Watkins made a poor run should have pulled wider, Ramsey passed the ball, Watkins mis- controlled it, shouted at Ramsey and then Smith subbed him.
Great way to build a youngsters confidence.

Yes, I'm a big fan of Watkins but that was poor of him - both his run, that should have been out wide not narrow, and his reaction.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 13, 2021, 02:59:27 PM
I havenít got a clue what we are trying to do in midfield, absolutely no shape or structure and made worse by our wide men running down cul de sacs whilst our centre forward is being marked out the game.
You can hardly blame Ramsey for the malaise.
Just before he got pulled we had a break with Ramsey carrying the ball, Watkins made a poor run should have pulled wider, Ramsey passed the ball, Watkins mis- controlled it, shouted at Ramsey and then Smith subbed him.
Great way to build a youngsters confidence.

Yes, I'm a big fan of Watkins but that was poor of him - both his run, that should have been out wide not narrow, and his reaction.

Completely disagree. He played a bad pass, around 10 seconds too late.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2021, 03:30:16 PM
I havenít got a clue what we are trying to do in midfield, absolutely no shape or structure and made worse by our wide men running down cul de sacs whilst our centre forward is being marked out the game.
You can hardly blame Ramsey for the malaise.
Just before he got pulled we had a break with Ramsey carrying the ball, Watkins made a poor run should have pulled wider, Ramsey passed the ball, Watkins mis- controlled it, shouted at Ramsey and then Smith subbed him.
Great way to build a youngsters confidence.

Yes, I'm a big fan of Watkins but that was poor of him - both his run, that should have been out wide not narrow, and his reaction.

Completely disagree. He played a bad pass, around 10 seconds too late.
Watkins first touch was the problem.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2021, 04:54:19 PM
Itís a common call on here when a young player isnít quite delivering, loan him out that will fix it.

Well yes, because it's been proven to work a few times in the past, not least with Grealish. Young players need a spell playing every game to see what they're made of, or you end up in a position like we have with Davis, where he's 23 and has started 4 games in nearly 2 years. He hasn't played enough, so he's no use to us despite only having one fit striker and he's not going to improve playing 10 minutes once a month.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on March 13, 2021, 05:00:30 PM
Young players need game time. Loaning them out is exactly what we should be doing.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on March 13, 2021, 05:14:30 PM
Itís a common call on here when a young player isnít quite delivering, loan him out that will fix it.

Well yes, because it's been proven to work a few times in the past, not least with Grealish. Young players need a spell playing every game to see what they're made of, or you end up in a position like we have with Davis, where he's 23 and has started 4 games in nearly 2 years. He hasn't played enough, so he's no use to us despite only having one fit striker and he's not going to improve playing 10 minutes once a month.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 13, 2021, 05:15:41 PM
loaning him out to a championship club may have developed him more, if he played every week - as opposed to staying with us all season and only making half a dozen starts
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on March 13, 2021, 05:30:07 PM
Itís a common call on here when a young player isnít quite delivering, loan him out that will fix it.

Well yes, because it's been proven to work a few times in the past, not least with Grealish. Young players need a spell playing every game to see what they're made of, or you end up in a position like we have with Davis, where he's 23 and has started 4 games in nearly 2 years. He hasn't played enough, so he's no use to us despite only having one fit striker and he's not going to improve playing 10 minutes once a month.

Agreed.

Yes Lee. Look at your fave Archer, a season down amongst the cloggers of non-League will do him the world of good. I imagine next season the club will look for a League team for him to go to, and then hopefully he'll get some time in and around the first team.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Legion on March 13, 2021, 05:51:33 PM
That is the idea. He is doing really well at Solihull Moors. Just recovered from a spell out injured and has been on the bench for the last three matches but still gets invaluable game time.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: robleflaneur on March 13, 2021, 08:56:40 PM
The difference with Ramsey is that he's replaced an established first team squad player,Conor,and he's getting Premier League game time ahead of an England international.He now knows the demands at this level.
To send him off to a Championship side next season would not only be a retrograde step but also a blow to his confidence,a statement saying we don't trust you at the present or in improving next season.
His selection also gives other youngsters the message that if you're producing the goods,we will pick you.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2021, 09:00:31 PM
The difference with Ramsey is that he's replaced an established first team squad player,Conor,and he's getting Premier League game time ahead of an England international.He now knows the demands at this level.
To send him off to a Championship side next season would not only be a retrograde step but also a blow to his confidence,a statement saying we don't trust you at the present or in improving next season.
His selection also gives other youngsters the message that if you're producing the goods,we will pick you.
Exactly, sometimes itís the right call, but if a player has broken into the first team then he should now be competing for a place in the team.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 13, 2021, 09:06:02 PM
It might also be that for the first time in about fifteen years we can bring in a player for league games that don't count for much.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2021, 09:14:53 PM
It might also be that for the first time in about fifteen years we can bring in a player for league games that don't count for much.
I really hope that we use this time to give some time to a few of the potentials.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 13, 2021, 09:24:15 PM
It might also be that for the first time in about fifteen years we can bring in a player for league games that don't count for much.
I really hope that we use this time to give some time to a few of the potentials.

I've been saying that for some weeks. Kessler, Barry, Chukwuemeka, Philogene-Bidace. They could all benefit from a few minutes as subs.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Steve67 on March 13, 2021, 09:42:53 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing Chukwuemeka play.  Looks like he has a big future.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LukeJames on March 13, 2021, 09:45:30 PM
Showed more in his first few cameos and starts, looked to get the ball and turn in tight spaces and be progressive. Last few games he's looked a different player but thats no co-incidence for me that its co-incided with our poor form and the rest of the midfield also looking poor.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ROBBO on March 14, 2021, 12:27:53 AM
Ramsey is what i call a very tidy player, he has a quick brain and will be a good player. He will not be dominating games he isn't a game changer, but what i have seen of him he has a future in football, maybe not at Villa.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: London Villan on March 14, 2021, 08:28:22 AM
He's still developing, but into what sort of player?

The closest I guess would be Barry, able to move the ball, pick a pass and position himself well.

He certainly doesn't look like a goal-scoring midfielder, a tough tackler or a playmaker.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on March 14, 2021, 10:29:31 AM
It might also be that for the first time in about fifteen years we can bring in a player for league games that don't count for much.
I really hope that we use this time to give some time to a few of the potentials.
I've been saying that for some weeks. Kessler, Barry, Chukwuemeka, Philogene-Bidace. They could all benefit from a few minutes as subs.
Definitely. Now is exactly the time to do this.
And, re the debate about loan or not loan: Ramsey did his half-season at Donnie last year: the club brought him back exactly to give him a squad slot, training and working with the first team. He's paid that back with some tidy - if unspectacular - performances; the benefit of which we'll see next season.
London Villan asks what sort of player he is: from what I've seen he disrupts the oppo play, he puts in challenges, he makes simple passes (well-paced and directed) and - over time - he'll chip in with some goals. He won't be flashy but he will add value to the team.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on March 14, 2021, 12:18:52 PM
Ramsey is very good at timing runs into the box so I think he will add goals. I think the time to be getting him out on loan has passed now, he's becoming more and more involved with the first team.

The teams around us are still slipping up (see Everton's result at home to Burnley last night) so Europe still isn't out of question if we can pull ourselves together in time. For as long as that's the case, the youth players are less likely to get their chance. However, the more that we drop out of contention for a European spot, the greater the need to start bringing these lads through.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: WarszaVillan on March 14, 2021, 01:13:41 PM
He's looked better coming off the bench - I think he struggles to impose himself on a game from the outset, which is perhaps understandable.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: jwarry on March 14, 2021, 03:32:51 PM
The comments on here are unbelievable! Heís only 19 and heís just broken into a PL team for Gods sake. Heís not going to be the finished article nor is he going to be consistent but Iíve seen enough to say that heís going to be a quality player and we just need to keep nurturing him. His ability to pass forward and look for passes round the corner is exemplary.
Remind me at what age Jack became a regular?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 14, 2021, 03:45:39 PM
The comments on here are unbelievable! Heís only 19 and heís just broken into a PL team for Gods sake. Heís not going to be the finished article nor is he going to be consistent but Iíve seen enough to say that heís going to be a quality player and we just need to keep nurturing him. His ability to pass forward and look for passes round the corner is exemplary.
Remind me at what age Jack became a regular?

Nobody's saying that he doesn't have potential, just that perhaps he shouldn't be starting games right now when we have better, more experienced options. Chill!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ian. on March 14, 2021, 04:09:23 PM
Iíd agree with Dave and actually now is a good time to start games. Weíre safe, weíre having a good season, weíre light in the squad so why not? Next season we may be a lot stronger and therefore he may have no chance at all to get into the squad let alone a starting place.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: jwarry on March 14, 2021, 04:09:49 PM
The comments on here are unbelievable! Heís only 19 and heís just broken into a PL team for Gods sake. Heís not going to be the finished article nor is he going to be consistent but Iíve seen enough to say that heís going to be a quality player and we just need to keep nurturing him. His ability to pass forward and look for passes round the corner is exemplary.
Remind me at what age Jack became a regular?

Nobody's saying that he doesn't have potential, just that perhaps he shouldn't be starting games right now when we have better, more experienced options. Chill!

Fair enough but then how does he get experience?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 14, 2021, 04:20:00 PM
A loan to a good Championship club, or maybe some substitute appearances here?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 14, 2021, 04:25:10 PM
He had a good loan spell last season.

I'm happy with how we're using him, just wondering eventually how good he'll turn out to be.

Remember we want to be top 6 again in a few seasons so that raises the bar of the quality from the youth ranks that has to break through.

Way Barry finished v Liverpool suggests he has something so I'd like to see him get a few sub cameos in run in.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 14, 2021, 04:25:38 PM
Barry is injured
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 14, 2021, 04:27:14 PM
Barry is injured

Back for May? He can get some minutes then v likes of Palace along with Wes.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 14, 2021, 04:28:12 PM
Barry is injured

Back for May? He can get some minutes then v likes of Palace along with Wes.
not sure  - but can see the benefit of giving some kids some minutes if we're playing some dead rubbers
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on March 14, 2021, 04:48:39 PM
Barry is injured
Played about 70 minutes for the u23s on Friday.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 04, 2021, 10:40:16 PM
Impressed with his cameo appearance this afternoon. Seemed more involved and stronger in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2021, 11:13:47 PM
Really important impact today, well done Jacob.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 05, 2021, 09:04:55 AM
I think he's coming along nicely, was pleased to see him come on ahead of Barkley
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ROBBO on April 05, 2021, 10:53:52 AM
you don't see him lose the ball very often.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 12:46:00 PM
I think he's doing well so far but the one real highlight from him in the U23s was his ability to drift into the box late and get shots away, I hope he can start bringing that into his game again soon because we don't score enough goals from central midfield right now.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2021, 12:54:10 PM
I think he's doing well so far but the one real highlight from him in the U23s was his ability to drift into the box late and get shots away, I hope he can start bringing that into his game again soon because we don't score enough goals from central midfield right now.

Two goals from midfield is it this season? One from Hourihane, one from McGinn. Depends on where you counted Barkley as playing I suppose. It's not good enough anyway, the defenders have contributed more.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: amfy on April 05, 2021, 12:54:30 PM
I feel like he is unspectacular but gets a lot right - a bit of a Gareth Barry type potentially.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on April 05, 2021, 01:01:25 PM
I think he's doing well so far but the one real highlight from him in the U23s was his ability to drift into the box late and get shots away, I hope he can start bringing that into his game again soon because we don't score enough goals from central midfield right now.

Two goals from midfield is it this season? One from Hourihane, one from McGinn. Depends on where you counted Barkley as playing I suppose. It's not good enough anyway, the defenders have contributed more.

Yep, with the players we have we should be looking at 10-15 goals from central midfield for the year and even with Barkley we're going to struggle to get that.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on April 05, 2021, 01:04:38 PM
I think he's doing well so far but the one real highlight from him in the U23s was his ability to drift into the box late and get shots away, I hope he can start bringing that into his game again soon because we don't score enough goals from central midfield right now.

Two goals from midfield is it this season? One from Hourihane, one from McGinn. Depends on where you counted Barkley as playing I suppose. It's not good enough anyway, the defenders have contributed more.

Yep, with the players we have we should be looking at 10-15 goals from central midfield for the year and even with Barkley we're going to struggle to get that.

Agreed, and with a return like that, you move from mid table to properly challenging the top 4.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 03, 2021, 06:16:24 AM
I've been down a YouTube rabbit hole. They both seem like thoroughly lovely fellas.


I'll post the same on the other's thread too, for the sake adhering to the Ministerial Code.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Diablo on May 03, 2021, 01:49:24 PM
I've been down a YouTube rabbit hole. They both seem like thoroughly lovely fellas.


I'll post the same on the other's thread too, for the sake adhering to the Ministerial Code.
Thanks for falling down that particular rabbit hole SE - enjoyed that.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2021, 02:42:27 PM
He has some talent, but he was really exposed in the second half today. I donít think heís up to starting games at this time.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 16, 2021, 02:44:06 PM
Didn't show enough at all as a starter today imo.

Pretty disappointing that. He's had some bright 20 minute cameos this season but not enough about him to be starting prem games.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: aj2k77 on May 16, 2021, 02:50:24 PM
He should have been hooked well before he finally was. Shouldn't be left exposed like he was today. A season in the Championship to test him out is needed. He's a way off marking a mark at this level yet.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2021, 04:52:55 PM
I'm just not sure what's meant to be the strong part of his game or even what sort of midfielder he is. Obviously, he's got something as Smith has given him a few opportunities this season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2021, 04:54:04 PM
He's a good young player who will hopefully grow into a recognisable role. As it is though, I'm not sure what that is yet.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2021, 04:58:56 PM
He's a good young player who will hopefully grow into a recognisable role. As it is though, I'm not sure what that is yet.
I'm hopeful he'll kick on and be a part of the squad and find a role that suits the best parts of his game - it's great to have our own youth players come through into the first team.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Smithy on May 16, 2021, 05:57:51 PM
Unsurprisingly, as is often the case for young players, he often looks good when the team is playing well, and a bit lost when we're playing badly.  I think that's just a lack of experience, rather than any lack of ability.

He's still only a teenager (just).  Some people are demanding 17-year-old Chukwuemeka gets a runout sooner rather than later, seemingly unaware there are also people writing off a 19 year-year-old after 20-odd premier league appearances and less than a handful of starts. Imagine if Chuk came on for a few cameos and looked - heaven forbid - 'ordinary'.

I'd like to see him get a run of games in a side in the top half of the Championship, as it's hard to 'learn' on the job at the level we need to be at, but he's shown enough for me to demonstrate he's an asset with long-term future in the game (just not yet sure how high up in the game that will be).
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2021, 06:15:44 PM
I don't think people are writing him off - he's getting some great experience - if now's the time to play younger players, then he's rightfully getting a run out. He's been no worse than Luiz at the moment.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 16, 2021, 11:06:07 PM
I don't think people are writing him off - he's getting some great experience - if now's the time to play younger players, then he's rightfully getting a run out. He's been no worse than Luiz at the moment.

I hope he kicks on and these experiences help him out, but his second half display was a lot worse than anything Luiz has done.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: tony scott on May 17, 2021, 10:05:48 AM
I may be wrong, but I think he was quite a regular goal scorer in our underage teams, and I think a goal in the premiership will give him the confidence,to display his undoubted talent, Keinan isnít in the same league.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: in exile on May 17, 2021, 11:14:03 AM
I'm really not sure what to make of him.
The game seems to pass him by in my opinion.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 17, 2021, 03:49:31 PM
At this stage he's shown to be developing at this but nothing  outstanding. No play which makes him stand out and say wow he's impressive and he's still only 19. However Ramsey can go on and improve as there are some signs of his ability.
I think he's being part used politically to demonstrate a pathway to the first team even

Interesting how Smith never considered to name check Andre Green when claiming academy to 1st team path way has only been Grealish to Ramsey and 5 years since academy player came through. Though Andre never got the minutes and time for one reason or another and way Smith talks about Ramsey he considers him some player to be a first team squad member for many years to come

Of those who are 19 and same age as Ramsey but show stand out qualities
Bukayo Sakha
Billy Gilmour
Curtis Jones
Hudson-Odoi
Gabriel Martinelli
Tariq Lamptey

They have demonstrated better abilities and are the same age and way ahead of him in terms of quality and development.

So it's how we want to measure Ramsey as at the moment he's just a tidy footballer who is getting his chance but the discussion would be is he taking that chance ?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: achilles on May 17, 2021, 06:58:17 PM
At this stage he's shown to be developing at this but nothing  outstanding. No play which makes him stand out and say wow he's impressive and he's still only 19. However Ramsey can go on and improve as there are some signs of his ability.
I think he's being part used politically to demonstrate a pathway to the first team even

So it's how we want to measure Ramsey as at the moment he's just a tidy footballer who is getting his chance but the discussion would be is he taking that chance ?


I agree with those points but I think it is all about people's expectations:

Will he make a living out of being a professional footballer - definitely
Will he be world class - absolutely not
Will he be good enough for Villa especially in the long term - definitely not
Will he be good enough to play in the PL - maybe for one of the lesser terms like Westwood

So at the moment for where Villa are he is okay and as pointed out above gives hope for the Academy lads which is the main point for his selection.

We have quite a few talented players in the U23 & U18 teams who I think will feature a lot for Villa in the future.

I would like Kaine Kesler given a chance at right back in place of Elmo but without any cover in front of him (if playing Traore)  it is perhaps asking a lot!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: danno on May 17, 2021, 07:14:46 PM
I didn't see our game at the weekend, but had the game on Radio WM. They mentioned a number of times that one positive to take from the game was Ramsey's performance.

Given how they normally talk us down, I had assumed he'd played amazingly well!  ;D

Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 17, 2021, 08:30:47 PM
At the moment he looks like a very consistent 6/10 player.  Itís hard to know which parts of his game will develop to become an occasional 8/10 player.  On the plus side, taking his age and experience into consideration I can see him becoming 7/10 on a regular basis, which would be pretty amazing.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on May 17, 2021, 08:33:46 PM
At this stage he's shown to be developing at this but nothing  outstanding. No play which makes him stand out and say wow he's impressive and he's still only 19. However Ramsey can go on and improve as there are some signs of his ability.
I think he's being part used politically to demonstrate a pathway to the first team even

So it's how we want to measure Ramsey as at the moment he's just a tidy footballer who is getting his chance but the discussion would be is he taking that chance ?


I agree with those points but I think it is all about people's expectations:

Will he make a living out of being a professional footballer - definitely
Will he be world class - absolutely not
Will he be good enough for Villa especially in the long term - definitely not
Will he be good enough to play in the PL - maybe for one of the lesser terms like Westwood

So at the moment for where Villa are he is okay and as pointed out above gives hope for the Academy lads which is the main point for his selection.

We have quite a few talented players in the U23 & U18 teams who I think will feature a lot for Villa in the future.

I would like Kaine Kesler given a chance at right back in place of Elmo but without any cover in front of him (if playing Traore)  it is perhaps asking a lot!
Far too early to make judgements on Ramsey's potential.
And, regarding Kesler, I'd keep the pressure off by playing him in front of a right FB (in place of Traore).
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2021, 09:32:47 PM
I didn't see our game at the weekend, but had the game on Radio WM. They mentioned a number of times that one positive to take from the game was Ramsey's performance.

Given how they normally talk us down, I had assumed he'd played amazingly well!  ;D



Presumably they didnít watch the second half. I hope these experiences are of value to him, but he was really poor in the second half on Sunday.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 02:29:15 PM
18 premier league appearances last term.
That's exactly half the matches.
Jacob would be looking for more of the same and then some if he's both the model of progression and own development.
It's now backward step if he was loaned out so must be very much part of Smith's plans as squad member.
I think he's only going to get better and was unlucky as well as couple poor misses not to have scored last season.
He's exactly the type of midfielder that offers the energy and pressing as well as runs off the ball that good for the team

Needs to be involved other wise won't develop.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2021, 03:07:28 PM
He's only young, but I don't think he played expecially well in any game I saw him in last season, and I'm really not sure what bits of the game he's supposed to be good at. He never looks out of place, but he never exactly contributes an awful lot either. Another one who I think would benefit from going out on loan.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Richard E on August 04, 2021, 03:18:05 PM
18 premier league appearances last term.
That's exactly half the matches.
Jacob would be looking for more of the same and then some if he's both the model of progression and own development.
It's now backward step if he was loaned out so must be very much part of Smith's plans as squad member.
I think he's only going to get better and was unlucky as well as couple poor misses not to have scored last season.
He's exactly the type of midfielder that offers the energy and pressing as well as runs off the ball that good for the team

Needs to be involved other wise won't develop.

Strictly speaking it's exactly 9/19 of the matches, or 47.36842% of them. 
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 04, 2021, 03:48:39 PM
18 premier league appearances last term.
That's exactly half the matches.
Jacob would be looking for more of the same and then some if he's both the model of progression and own development.
It's now backward step if he was loaned out so must be very much part of Smith's plans as squad member.
I think he's only going to get better and was unlucky as well as couple poor misses not to have scored last season.
He's exactly the type of midfielder that offers the energy and pressing as well as runs off the ball that good for the team

Needs to be involved other wise won't develop.

Strictly speaking it's exactly 9/19 of the matches, or 47.36842% of them.
Quite right I've been confused lately but should know better that it's a 38 game season
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: frank black on August 22, 2021, 11:04:53 AM
A bump up for this thread. I now see that what others have seen before (I confess I didnít notice his potential) . I thought he looked good and has certainly filled out a little. Going to be a good player
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Chris Smith on August 22, 2021, 12:00:06 PM
He played as though he now feels like he belongs at that level. When every is fit weíre going to have real options in midfield for the first time in years.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: CT on August 22, 2021, 12:01:37 PM
Thought he drove us forward quite a few times yesterday and started to look at home at this level.

Along with SJM, he kept things going when others were starting to tire. Very impressed.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on August 22, 2021, 12:02:10 PM
He played well yesterday.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2021, 12:02:27 PM
He has time on the ball, takes it well on the turn and has excellent ballance.

He's going to be a fine player, and sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2021, 12:04:56 PM
He did well yesterday. Hopefully itís a launchpad for him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Monty on August 22, 2021, 12:06:26 PM
Last week I was impressed with how quickly he released the ball, this week I was impressed with how he ran with it. He's getting quietly better every game.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: colin69 on August 22, 2021, 12:07:04 PM
Gave the ball away a few times early doors yesterday but once he got settled I thought he played very well. Deano clearly trusts him and hopefully he will keep improving and cement a place in the side.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 22, 2021, 12:49:48 PM
Our player of the season so far, albeit it's very early. He's making a case to keep his place even if we do bring in more midfield players.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2021, 01:29:52 PM
I'm glad people are starting to see something in him, I've thought he looks quality for a while and I've just been waiting for him to start putting it all together in the league for us. I'm still waiting to see him push into the box and show how good a finisher he is, he's been a regular goalscorer at every other level so it's in there and if he can add those goals he'll be a big bonus in the squad this year.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on August 22, 2021, 01:31:33 PM
Last week I was impressed with how quickly he released the ball, this week I was impressed with how he ran with it. He's getting quietly better every game.
He's a continuity player - he keeps the ball recycling through the team and moves well for return-passes. He, McGinn and Buendia worked really well together. All three will become increasingly influential as the season progresses, IMO.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on August 22, 2021, 01:47:15 PM
His feet seem quicker and he's moving the game on quicker too. Impressed against Watford and yesterday.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: olaftab on August 22, 2021, 02:22:02 PM
There were a couple of times in the first half I noticed a player picking the loose ball in our half and pushing forward  with authority and purpose and didn't immediately think he was Jacob but he was. So this lad is growing.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2021, 02:34:27 PM
Put a couple of crunching tackles in first half as well.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Three Spires Villa on August 22, 2021, 02:57:39 PM
He was excellent, well done!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 22, 2021, 04:14:39 PM
He's a young lad who looked totally at ease with the demands of the game yesterday....and he has that little bit of attacking flair that promises much when we are on the front foot.
He's come a long way since being involved.
And one of our own.
UTV!

Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 22, 2021, 04:45:48 PM
Put a couple of crunching tackles in first half as well.

Ha! He did, he's certainly not going to allow anybody to bully him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 22, 2021, 04:53:39 PM
I genuinely couldn't see what he brought last season. Something seems to have clicked with him and he's stepped up a level or two. Delighted to have been wrong (again).
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ventnorVillain on August 22, 2021, 05:14:42 PM
Does anyone else think he might trn out  to be the long-term asnwer to the DM question?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: john2710 on August 22, 2021, 05:17:33 PM
In the games he played last season, he looked anonymous & didn't offer much.

Last week & again yesterday he's started to show what he can do. Physically stronger, quicker movement & looks to influence the game. Confidence goes a long way & it looks like he's developing quickly.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 22, 2021, 05:32:39 PM
Does anyone else think he might trn out  to be the long-term asnwer to the DM question?
I think he'll end up playing a more box-to-box role like McGinn does.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 22, 2021, 05:34:12 PM
Does anyone else think he might trn out  to be the long-term asnwer to the DM question?

Based on not much, I think Raikhy might be the long term prospect in that position.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave shelley on August 22, 2021, 05:45:02 PM
Does anyone else think he might trn out  to be the long-term asnwer to the DM question?

Based on not much, I think Raikhy might be the long term prospect in that position.

I only noticed yesterday that he's off to Stockport on loan.  Another lad with lots of promise.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: jwarry on August 22, 2021, 06:15:57 PM
Very proud of our Barr Beacon lad, heís going to be some player
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2021, 06:26:51 PM
Does anyone else think he might trn out  to be the long-term asnwer to the DM question?

Based on not much, I think Raikhy might be the long term prospect in that position.

I think Bogarde is the one to watch for that role but it's great that it's yet another position where we have options coming through. I'm hopeful that, come next season, a lot of the backup and fringe roles at the club are filled by these youngsters.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Bad English on August 22, 2021, 06:56:56 PM
I'm glad people are starting to see something in him, I've thought he looks quality for a while and I've just been waiting for him to start putting it all together in the league for us. I'm still waiting to see him push into the box and show how good a finisher he is, he's been a regular goalscorer at every other level so it's in there and if he can add those goals he'll be a big bonus in the squad this year.
Is there evidence of these thoughts on this site to back up these claims?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on August 22, 2021, 08:31:30 PM
Are the Ramseys all Villa fans through blood?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on August 22, 2021, 10:22:51 PM
I'm glad people are starting to see something in him, I've thought he looks quality for a while and I've just been waiting for him to start putting it all together in the league for us. I'm still waiting to see him push into the box and show how good a finisher he is, he's been a regular goalscorer at every other level so it's in there and if he can add those goals he'll be a big bonus in the squad this year.
Is there evidence of these thoughts on this site to back up these claims?

Yes ...

I think he's doing well so far but the one real highlight from him in the U23s was his ability to drift into the box late and get shots away, I hope he can start bringing that into his game again soon because we don't score enough goals from central midfield right now.

I think he needs regular game time and it should include some starts, 4-5 starts and a similar number of appearances from the bench by the end of the season would be my aim with him and then fully into the mix for starting next year. Some people will want him to go out on loan but I'm not sure he needs it, he looks ready to be a rotation option in the premier league to me.

The important thing today was that he made himself available and showed confidence in holding on to the ball and getting his head up. I suspect the coaches will be thrilled with him because he just played his game and didn't let the 'event' get to him, given he was up against Moutinho who's ben a top player for about 15 years I thought he did really well.

I suspect Ramsey is firmly in their plans for next year. With a bit of luck with injuries and decent coaching he'll be a great player for the squad.

That's just this thread, can't be arsed to search any others.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2021, 11:30:49 PM
All hail, for the true sage is amongst us
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on August 22, 2021, 11:43:14 PM
Meh, that's nothing.

He hasn't been born yet, but in about thirty years we will have a really good player called Jacob Ramsey.

Don't bother making any holiday plans for the year 2020.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on August 23, 2021, 12:31:11 AM
All hail, for the true sage is amongst us

Yeah if you like, I've been pretty consistent in my comments about Ramsey for a couple of years so I found it fucking weird that someone would ask for evidence. Especially so given how inconsistent some people are on here.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: DrGonzo on August 23, 2021, 07:59:19 AM
The games he played last season are showing their worth now.  He looks confident and assured, ready for the first team.  Excellent!  I think this is the route we will se for Da Yoof, Chucky and Bidace will get the same this season but, maybe, from earlier, meaning they could be a part of the regulars by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Dave P on August 23, 2021, 08:21:12 AM
Are the Ramseys all Villa fans through blood?

I think so. Just like the Moores and Gardners before them
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: chrisw1 on August 23, 2021, 10:35:28 AM
Two very good games by Jacob.  Deserved his start on Saturday and repaid Smith's faith in him.  Fair play to them both and I hope he keeps it up.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 23, 2021, 11:21:36 AM
I confess I didn't see him being ready to step up on last seasons evidence, but he was very good against Newcastle and I am delighted for him. For all the excitement that new players bring, nothing is better than seeing one of the youth come through and hold down a place.

I have high hopes for Kesler, Young, and the next Ramsey - all of whom do not look far off ready for the odd senior game. With Barrie, Bogarde and a few others are very exciting prospects too, not to mention all the recent signings in the youth teams.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Drummond on August 23, 2021, 11:31:54 AM
It's great to have so many youngsters coming through, and the way we've invested in others recently too, the future is indeed bright.

As for Ramsey specifically, I thought he looked ok when he played last season, but he's coming in to his own so far this.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on August 23, 2021, 12:28:19 PM
It's great to have so many youngsters coming through, and the way we've invested in others recently too, the future is indeed bright.

As for Ramsey specifically, I thought he looked ok when he played last season, but he's coming in to his own so far this.

Spot on.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2021, 03:50:27 PM
Meh, that's nothing.

He hasn't been born yet, but in about thirty years we will have a really good player called Jacob Ramsey.

Don't bother making any holiday plans for the year 2020.

*chuckle* You would have been gearing-up for a Villa-tastic Xmas with wins against ManYoo, Arse and Chel-pre-ski.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on August 23, 2021, 03:54:25 PM
Meh, that's nothing.

He hasn't been born yet, but in about thirty years we will have a really good player called Jacob Ramsey.

Don't bother making any holiday plans for the year 2020.

*chuckle* You would have been gearing-up for a Villa-tastic Xmas with wins against ManYoo, Arse and Chel-pre-ski.

The football that Christmas was so good, I cannot for the life of me remember what I actually got. It was a Sony Discman the next year.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2021, 03:57:00 PM
A CD discman in 1990...? Are you sure...don't recall them being commonplace til the late 90s.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on August 23, 2021, 04:15:36 PM
A CD discman in 1990...? Are you sure...don't recall them being commonplace til the late 90s.

Yes mate, went to Everton on Boxing Day with it. Only about 3 hours on batteries though, and I only had Depeche Mode's Violater on CD.
It was more used as an affordable CD player for my separates.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2021, 04:18:12 PM
A CD discman in 1990...? Are you sure...don't recall them being commonplace til the late 90s.

They were released in the mid 80s, but were inordinately expensive until the early 90s. Unless you're Lee Rockefeller of course!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on August 23, 2021, 04:30:33 PM
£150 IIRC. Was a my 'big' Christmas present.

Worried here I'm getting a rep as some kind of hen-pecked, spoiled rich kid.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2021, 04:35:22 PM
The choice of Violator removes any other type of judgement. Their crowning achievement.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on August 23, 2021, 04:38:12 PM
The choice of Violator removes any other type of judgement. Their crowning achievement.

100% agree, and it was the perfect record for that format, the production on it was amazing.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 23, 2021, 04:38:27 PM
what has happened to this thread🤔😃
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2021, 04:39:46 PM
We're just trying to get JJ into Depeche Mode, that's all.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on August 23, 2021, 04:48:44 PM
what has happened to this thread🤔😃

Sorry mate, just trying to breathe some new life into the thread.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2021, 04:52:02 PM
£150 IIRC. Was a my 'big' Christmas present.

Worried here I'm getting a rep as some kind of hen-pecked, spoiled rich kid.

Bit late to start worrying about your reputation after yesterday's revelation.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Bad English on August 23, 2021, 05:08:33 PM
All hail, for the true sage is amongst us

Yeah if you like, I've been pretty consistent in my comments about Ramsey for a couple of years so I found it fucking weird that someone would ask for evidence. Especially so given how inconsistent some people are on here.
I didn't mean to be weird; I'd definitely had a wine or two yesterday and had no recollection of anyone speaking about Ramsey. Now I know.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Bad English on August 23, 2021, 05:10:28 PM
A CD discman in 1990...? Are you sure...don't recall them being commonplace til the late 90s.

They were released in the mid 80s, but were inordinately expensive until the early 90s. Unless you're Lee Rockefeller of course!
I bought one in April 1988 in Andorra. It cost me about £250.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2021, 05:13:24 PM
Hope it was worth it.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 23, 2021, 09:18:53 PM
The choice of Violator removes any other type of judgement. Their crowning achievement.

100% agree, and it was the perfect record for that format, the production on it was amazing.

This is the kind of phrase that makes me think that you've changed beyond measure. Totally devastated, and I shan't think of you again once I return to the Latino place.

"The production was amazing"?!
BELLBOY!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: rooboy316 on August 24, 2021, 11:08:47 AM
Bloody hell. I got a Walkman in 1992 and thought Iíd made it in life. Discmans in the 80s?! Didnít realise this site was so bougie.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Bad English on August 24, 2021, 11:58:30 AM
Hope it was worth it.
It was ace. I remember buying my first CDs (Serge Gainsbourg, live at the Casino de Paris, was one) and  loving the crisp sound compared to tapes.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on August 24, 2021, 03:20:50 PM
Bloody hell. I got a Walkman in 1992 and thought Iíd made it in life. Discmans in the 80s?! Didnít realise this site was so bougie.

I know...I got a walkman in 1997 (13th birthday) and a discman in 2000 (with radio - think that's what swung it for me over the sexiness of a MiniDisc player).
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on August 24, 2021, 03:35:00 PM
Hope it was worth it.
It was ace. I remember buying my first CDs (Serge Gainsbourg, live at the Casino de Paris, was one) and  loving the crisp sound compared to tapes.

Exactly what I was trying to get at, but reflecting on my post it made me read a bit like Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Drummond on August 24, 2021, 03:50:59 PM
Hope it was worth it.
It was ace. I remember buying my first CDs (Serge Gainsbourg, live at the Casino de Paris, was one) and  loving the crisp sound compared to tapes.

Exactly what I was trying to get at, but reflecting on my post it made me read a bit like Patrick Bateman in American Psycho.

What on earth has happened to you?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on August 24, 2021, 04:36:44 PM
It's been a difficult few days.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Drummond on August 27, 2021, 10:03:58 AM
Congratulations on making the England U21 squad.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 07, 2021, 09:05:58 PM
Lee Carsley is the New England under 21 boss
Ramsey on the bench I think he was an unused sub in match v Kosvo victory . Jacob was also called up but not made bench

When Carsley signed for Birmingham he said:
"My family are Blues fans and there's just one Villa fan. The reason I think it came out that I supposedly supported Villa was because one of my favourite players when I was young was Gordon Cowans.
Another one of my favourite players was Bryan Robson but nobody said I was a West Brom fan!"

I think he was that one Villa fan in the family but tries to deny it.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 07, 2021, 09:23:12 PM
He wasn't ever a Villa fan. I don't think he cared much either way.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 08, 2021, 12:01:33 AM
Iím pretty sure that his dad was the Villa fan. Used to drink in the 3Cs on Chelmsley.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave shelley on September 08, 2021, 09:18:16 AM
Iím pretty sure that his dad was the Villa fan. Used to drink in the 3Cs on Chelmsley.

I may have asked you this before Perce, not too sure so apologies if I have.  Was/is his dad's name Frank?  I grew up in Sheldon and went to school with a Frank Carsley so was wondering if they're father and son.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: selly park trinity on September 09, 2021, 12:20:49 AM
Yes he is. Heís definitely blues but heís a nice bloke with it. Was waiting at the sedgemere after the Chelsea fa cup final and giving stick but he was top bloke to be fair
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 09, 2021, 01:32:29 AM
Iím pretty sure that his dad was the Villa fan. Used to drink in the 3Cs on Chelmsley.

I may have asked you this before Perce, not too sure so apologies if I have.  Was/is his dad's name Frank?  I grew up in Sheldon and went to school with a Frank Carsley so was wondering if they're father and son.

Itís been that long I honestly canít remember Dave, sorry. He seemed like a friendly enough bloke and when I picture him I always see him laughing but I didnít talk to him much - I wasnít as much of a regular as some of my mates as the whole city is my playground lol.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dr.chekov on September 09, 2021, 09:17:49 AM
I remember us playing Derby around 96/97 and there was a piece/Q&A in the programme about/with Lee Carsley, and I am sure he said he was a Villa fan.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 09, 2021, 09:18:57 AM
He didn't, the programme did. He isn't.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave shelley on September 09, 2021, 09:33:26 AM
Iím pretty sure that his dad was the Villa fan. Used to drink in the 3Cs on Chelmsley.

I may have asked you this before Perce, not too sure so apologies if I have.  Was/is his dad's name Frank?  I grew up in Sheldon and went to school with a Frank Carsley so was wondering if they're father and son.

Itís been that long I honestly canít remember Dave, sorry. He seemed like a friendly enough bloke and when I picture him I always see him laughing but I didnít talk to him much - I wasnít as much of a regular as some of my mates as the whole city is my playground lol.

Ok mate, ta.  Frank was a big lad/bloke and Lee isn't so probably not, an uncle perhaps.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 09, 2021, 09:35:38 AM
Iím pretty sure that his dad was the Villa fan. Used to drink in the 3Cs on Chelmsley.

I may have asked you this before Perce, not too sure so apologies if I have.  Was/is his dad's name Frank?  I grew up in Sheldon and went to school with a Frank Carsley so was wondering if they're father and son.

That would be him. Sadly passed away a few years ago.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave shelley on September 09, 2021, 09:37:32 AM
Iím pretty sure that his dad was the Villa fan. Used to drink in the 3Cs on Chelmsley.

I may have asked you this before Perce, not too sure so apologies if I have.  Was/is his dad's name Frank?  I grew up in Sheldon and went to school with a Frank Carsley so was wondering if they're father and son.

That would be him. Sadly passed away a few years ago.

Thanks CD, sorry to hear that, another from my schooldays gone.  RIP Frank.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 12, 2021, 06:15:26 PM
After being the best player on the pitch in the first half at Chelsea, watch this boy fly now, with his brother not too far behind.

There's an article in The Athletic about both of them working hard this summer before pre-season. The Villa article directly underneath is about a player with seemingly the opposite attitude to the Ramz - namely, one Henri Lansbury! Don't have a sub but here's the start of it...

Quote
The Ramsey brothers are ready to pack a punch in taking Aston Villa forward

The brothers were hard at it over the summer.

At a deserted Bodymoor Heath, Jacob and Aaron Ramsey hit the weights, the treadmills, and the punchbags, their every moan and groan echoing around the vacant training complex.

Staff were on their summer holidays and a large chunk of the first team was on international duty. It would have been easy for the pair to put their feet up and coast through the off-season.

But like on so many previous occasions, the Ramseys sensed an opportunity.

As kids, the brothers would combine football with boxing alongside their father, Mark, a former amateur national champion in 1989 who twice fought Ricky Hatton. Both have excelled through the ranks despite being small and slender as schoolboys. They made sure that size was never a problem.

This summer, the plan was to work on their fitness and come back firing.

Watching Jacob, 20, come of age in Villaís 2-0 win over Newcastle United last month and Aaron, 18, make his first senior appearance in the 6-0 win over Barrow in the Carabao Cup suggests it is starting to pay off.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 12, 2021, 07:20:57 PM
Its interesting with Jacob as i thought he was a bit of a nothing plater last season, didnt really seem to effect games at all, bit harsh from me maybe given his age. Heís been excellent in the games hes played so far this year, looking forwards ti seeing him against Everton next week.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 12, 2021, 08:09:23 PM
Very harsh of your R&B, considering you're more akin to what used to be known as a "happy clapper" on here  ;D
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 12, 2021, 08:11:29 PM
On a serious note, he doesn't have Grealish hogging the ball anymore so he's getting more chances to show what he can do. McGinn seems to have stepped-up too, the assistant-captain role probably has helped in some way. Need to see if Duggee can recapture his 19/20 form and then we'll have a trio that can compete while we wait for Sanson to come back next year/season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 12, 2021, 08:12:35 PM
Decent first half. Chelsea taking their worst player off at HT improved them in the middle. I wish our manager spotted such things and acted as quick.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 12, 2021, 08:19:45 PM
Decent first half. Chelsea taking their worst player off at HT improved them in the middle. I wish our manager spotted such things and acted as quick.

Perhaps if our manager had the Uefa Player of the Year to come off the bench he might.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dekko on September 12, 2021, 08:27:18 PM
Ramsey always reminds me of something I heard once about Harry Kane as a youth player:

A lot of youngsters have one or two unique selling points, like they're really quick, or a good dribbler, or good in the air or whatever.  Apparently Kane didn't have any stand-out attributes, so not everyone rated him, but over a couple of seasons and loans he basically got better at everything across the board, until all of a sudden he was one of the best CFs in the league.

I never thought Ramsey was bad last season but I couldn't really see what he was good at.  But this season he seems to have developed a bit all round and now looks a real player.  I'm excited to see more of him (and they say his brother is the more talented one.....)
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Steve67 on September 12, 2021, 09:21:42 PM
He looks like he can handle himself as well.  Doesn't mind putting opponents on their arse.  He seems to give us more energy too.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Matt C on September 12, 2021, 09:38:51 PM
Made a big step up from last season. Been one of our best players so far.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 12, 2021, 09:47:55 PM
Yes looks like heís developed a lot.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 12, 2021, 11:44:53 PM
He was very close to scoring at both the Etihad and Stamford Bridge last season (at Palace too when he was very involved as we dominated the first 20 minutes or so) and he usually look composed on the ball. He is expressing himself more now but I do think last season that there were hints there of what is about to come.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 13, 2021, 12:07:56 AM
It just highlights how important attitude is. We've had so many kids with talent who, for whatever reason, didn't have the drive to be better. Not that it's all about winning 50/50s with your studs up, but knowing where there's a gap for you and what you need to improve to make an impression on the boss, he's done brilliantly so far. "Hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard." Luckily he also has talent.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 13, 2021, 05:36:16 AM
Decent first half. Chelsea taking their worst player off at HT improved them in the middle. I wish our manager spotted such things and acted as quick.

Perhaps if our manager had the Uefa Player of the Year to come off the bench he might.

You got it. What a luxury to have.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 13, 2021, 10:29:36 AM
It must help that the Dad was a boxer. His three sons will have grown-up with discipline and dancers' feet.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on September 13, 2021, 10:41:29 AM
It must help that the Dad was a boxer. His three sons will have grown-up with discipline and dancers' feet.

One of the things that is noticeable now is that he's quick and nimble enough to always look like he's got space and time on the ball. That is a really great trait to have in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on September 13, 2021, 11:22:17 AM
Smith identified him really early on and had him training with the seniors not long after he became manager. Something I like about Smith is that he really does seem to have an eye for a player and he sees something often a long time before we do. Matt Targett is another example of that. Seemed pretty average at first, give a penalty away in the Sheffield United home game last season and everyone was writing him off and then was brilliant for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 13, 2021, 07:34:13 PM
Smith identified him really early on and had him training with the seniors not long after he became manager. Something I like about Smith is that he really does seem to have an eye for a player and he sees something often a long time before we do. Matt Targett is another example of that. Seemed pretty average at first, give a penalty away in the Sheffield United home game last season and everyone was writing him off and then was brilliant for the rest of the season.

Heís very good at the coaching part, most players improve whilst playing for him. 

In fact, I canít remember a villa manager that consistently improves players like Smith.  Iím too young to remember whether this was a strength of BFR and Little and canít think of anyone since (mainly because they rarely hang around long enough).. 
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Steve67 on September 13, 2021, 07:39:26 PM
He's certainly put himself ahead of the likes of Sanson, Nakamba and Carney.  Cracking player.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ian. on September 13, 2021, 07:47:47 PM
Heís been so been so impressive for us and made himself very hard to leave out. Weíre better when he plays.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on September 13, 2021, 08:31:59 PM
Smith identified him really early on and had him training with the seniors not long after he became manager. Something I like about Smith is that he really does seem to have an eye for a player and he sees something often a long time before we do. Matt Targett is another example of that. Seemed pretty average at first, give a penalty away in the Sheffield United home game last season and everyone was writing him off and then was brilliant for the rest of the season.

Heís very good at the coaching part, most players improve whilst playing for him. 

In fact, I canít remember a villa manager that consistently improves players like Smith.  Iím too young to remember whether this was a strength of BFR and Little and canít think of anyone since (mainly because they rarely hang around long enough).. 

I agree, most players in the squad have improved since they arrived and as a club we've clearly targeted signing players with the capacity to do so. I think this is the main reason why I get so frustrated with the people who can't wait to slag Smith off, I like what he's trying to do and I want us to succeed doing things this way. I want young players to join us knowing that if they meet their targets we won't be signing 27-28 year olds on huge fees to play in front of them because I think the satisfaction of seeing players like Ramsey and Chuk come through or Watkins step up is much better than flashing a chequebook to pick up the flavour of the month player every window.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 13, 2021, 08:55:54 PM
Smith identified him really early on and had him training with the seniors not long after he became manager. Something I like about Smith is that he really does seem to have an eye for a player and he sees something often a long time before we do. Matt Targett is another example of that. Seemed pretty average at first, give a penalty away in the Sheffield United home game last season and everyone was writing him off and then was brilliant for the rest of the season.

Heís very good at the coaching part, most players improve whilst playing for him. 

In fact, I canít remember a villa manager that consistently improves players like Smith.  Iím too young to remember whether this was a strength of BFR and Little and canít think of anyone since (mainly because they rarely hang around long enough).. 

I agree, most players in the squad have improved since they arrived and as a club we've clearly targeted signing players with the capacity to do so. I think this is the main reason why I get so frustrated with the people who can't wait to slag Smith off, I like what he's trying to do and I want us to succeed doing things this way. I want young players to join us knowing that if they meet their targets we won't be signing 27-28 year olds on huge fees to play in front of them because I think the satisfaction of seeing players like Ramsey and Chuk come through or Watkins step up is much better than flashing a chequebook to pick up the flavour of the month player every window.

Thatís true, most of our signings naturally have room to grow.  Bruce (and even MON) struck me as lazy and even above the day to day grind on the training pitch.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on September 13, 2021, 10:16:12 PM
That's because O'Neill and Bruce didn't get involved in the day-to-day coaching! They both left/leave other people to do it.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 13, 2021, 10:24:11 PM
John Robertson, smoking twenty a day, doing his best Mike "Benson & Hedges" Bassett impression. "It got yis three top sixes in a row, didn't it?" he spluttered.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on September 14, 2021, 01:59:50 PM
I really like him he's a very good player at least he's getting a run in the side and will only get better.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Monty on September 14, 2021, 02:06:49 PM
Agreed, for me he's been the revelation of the season so far.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: West Derby Villan on September 14, 2021, 04:51:14 PM
Agreed, potentially saved us a fortune
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 18, 2021, 12:15:41 AM
Just wait till his brother comes through!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 18, 2021, 12:54:36 AM
The two of them are going to be the Moores we always wanted.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 18, 2021, 01:11:59 AM
...and Cole Ramsey -we hope.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: john e on September 18, 2021, 09:24:01 AM
He moves forward with the ball heís positive he drives Itís on
Thatís what I like about him
I donít think heís been a revelation this season so far because I thought he was good last season to be honest
But at the age he is thereís always going to be year-on-year improvement
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 18, 2021, 10:26:44 AM
Something has clicked with Ramsey at the start of this season; he's involved in the game a lot more - last season he used to drift around and the games used to pass him by. Encouraging start to this season - I'd like to see how get a good run of starts, like 20 in a row - see what he's like after that. Can't be any worse than Nakamba and Barkley were at times for us.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 18, 2021, 10:28:11 AM
Just wait till his brother comes through!
already plays for Juventus
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on September 18, 2021, 08:57:24 PM
He looks more and more comfortable every game. More of a nailed on starter than McGinn or Luiz at the moment I reckon.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Richard E on September 18, 2021, 08:58:22 PM
Yes, he was excellent today.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Bobby Boy on September 18, 2021, 09:01:29 PM
He was superb today. Great energy and vibrancy. He really has looked the part this season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ian. on September 18, 2021, 09:02:16 PM
Heís a really smart player ainít he? Heís tenacious too. Weíve suddenly got a midfield thatís ticking and when Samson is fit itís another quality addition to that bench which suddenly now looks ace.

Also top marks for Nakamba when he came on, looked bloody good.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on September 18, 2021, 09:09:01 PM
Ramsey doesn't look out of place in this team. One of best performers today.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Rotterdam on September 18, 2021, 09:11:16 PM
Wait until you see his brother...
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Demitri_C on September 18, 2021, 09:15:22 PM
Is this the same player? Looked lost last year but he looks so much better this year. Well done jacob!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 18, 2021, 10:03:56 PM
He could become something special.  Keep going
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on September 18, 2021, 10:09:16 PM
He was superb I just wish he'd got a little bit more curl on that shot, he did brilliantly to make the chance and smashing one home in front of the holte would've been a real buzz for him. I understand the criticism for not passing but he'd earned the right to have a go by making the chance from nothing with his pressing and if you can't lose your head slightly when finding yourself free on the edge of the box after 2 goals in 3 minutes and try to score your first for the club then when can you?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Steve67 on September 18, 2021, 10:13:26 PM
Cracking player.  Got a bit greedy with the ball on the edge of the box and perhaps should have passed to people in better positions, but who can blame the lad for wanting to shoot?  Had a good game again today.  Getting better and better.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 18, 2021, 10:17:00 PM
 Very good again for me.
His driving runs from midfield are a joy to watch and hea getting better with every game.
He looks about 2 foot taller this season aswell.
Well played lad.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ian. on September 18, 2021, 10:26:15 PM
He wasnít that far wide with his shot, at least it shows heís confident in his own abilities. Also maybe it showed a lack of experience too in that position. He will learn, Iím positive.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 18, 2021, 10:30:33 PM
He plays like he really believes he belongs in the premier league now. Great to see as I wonder two months ago if we might loan him out somewhere. Probably would've happened if Ward Prowse had signed.

Textbook example of how to bring a young player into the team. We gave him regular sub cameos with the odd start from December onwards and now he really looks the part.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: UK Redsox on September 18, 2021, 10:35:06 PM
Donít really understand the criticism from the commentators about Jake shooting. Quite entitled to have a crack from there, regardless of the score line.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 18, 2021, 10:56:03 PM
It opened up for him so worth a go but probably would have been a slightly better decision to put Ings in.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 18, 2021, 11:19:42 PM
Donít really understand the criticism from the commentators about Jake shooting. Quite entitled to have a crack from there, regardless of the score line.

I thought so too. The stream had gone down when it happened earlier but on MOTD it looked like it was easier to pass to Bailey who was open than the two forwards.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 19, 2021, 12:16:57 AM
He was in a good position for a shot, I've no qualms with him taking it on. I've spent too much of the last decade getting frustrated at players turning down shooting opportunities. Case in point today, Cash had a rare opportunity in the first half where we worked the ball forwards and from left to right, arriving at him in full stride on the edge of the box, and he tried to pick out one of our strikers instead, he couldn't, and any chance was gone. Considering what he did not much later, he should've backed himself and leathered it.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 19, 2021, 12:18:44 AM
He looks like he's getting better and better every game, absolutely looks comfortable at this level.

As his confidence and experience grows, I think we have a real prospect here.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: not3bad on September 19, 2021, 01:03:42 AM
We just need a  goal from him I think. After that the sky is the limit.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 19, 2021, 01:39:33 AM
Donít really understand the criticism from the commentators about Jake shooting. Quite entitled to have a crack from there, regardless of the score line.

Sexual seems to be of the same opinion. Thought he'd be a champion of JJ.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on September 19, 2021, 03:02:59 AM
He seems to be able to turn and move the ball on a fee yards quicker this season. His development is very pleasing.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: nigel on September 19, 2021, 11:40:21 AM
Cracking player.  Got a bit greedy with the ball on the edge of the box and perhaps should have passed to people in better positions, but who can blame the lad for wanting to shoot?  Had a good game again today.  Getting better and better.

And if heíd passed, and that player missed, heíd be getting it for not having a go himself!
So a bit of a no win situation.
Iím pleased he had the confidence to have a go
Obviously, if a goal had resulted from either scenario heíd, quite rightly, be getting all the plaudits
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: nigel on September 19, 2021, 11:44:10 AM
He plays like he really believes he belongs in the premier league now. Great to see as I wonder two months ago if we might loan him out somewhere. Probably would've happened if Ward Prowse had signed.

Textbook example of how to bring a young player into the team. We gave him regular sub cameos with the odd start from December onwards and now he really looks the part.

Potentially saved us £50m
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 19, 2021, 11:51:25 AM
Cracking player.  Got a bit greedy with the ball on the edge of the box and perhaps should have passed to people in better positions, but who can blame the lad for wanting to shoot?  Had a good game again today.  Getting better and better.

And if heíd passed, and that player missed, heíd be getting it for not having a go himself!
So a bit of a no win situation.
Iím pleased he had the confidence to have a go
Obviously, if a goal had resulted from either scenario heíd, quite rightly, be getting all the plaudits

If he'd have fed Ings I doubt he would have missed.  Still, he was entitled to take it on himself.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on September 19, 2021, 12:17:30 PM
He's just getting better and better.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: CT on September 19, 2021, 12:20:21 PM
Cracking player.  Got a bit greedy with the ball on the edge of the box and perhaps should have passed to people in better positions, but who can blame the lad for wanting to shoot?  Had a good game again today.  Getting better and better.

And if heíd passed, and that player missed, heíd be getting it for not having a go himself!
So a bit of a no win situation.
Iím pleased he had the confidence to have a go
Obviously, if a goal had resulted from either scenario heíd, quite rightly, be getting all the plaudits

If he'd have fed Ings I doubt he would have missed.  Still, he was entitled to take it on himself.

I didnít notice Ings until I rewatched it later and Andy Hinchcliffe was really critical of him for not passing.

But I agree, confidence was high and he felt confident enough to have a go. Heís starting to make himself a fixture in there now.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: DrGonzo on September 19, 2021, 12:36:48 PM
Highlight of my season thus far.  Although a couple of performances of that stature from Bailey will change all that.  It's excellent to see a young lad finding his sfeet and starting to realise his potential.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: fredm on September 19, 2021, 12:44:39 PM
We just need a  goal from him I think. After that the sky is the limit.

This.  And I think the main reason for taking it on himself instead of passing to Ings.  Once he can get that "goal scored" against his name just watch him blossom even more.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2021, 12:50:02 PM
Not to mention that it was Ramseyís excellent challenge that won the ball in the first place. Iím glad he took the chance, donít think Ings was quite as clear through as he looked.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: nigel on September 19, 2021, 12:51:50 PM
Cracking player.  Got a bit greedy with the ball on the edge of the box and perhaps should have passed to people in better positions, but who can blame the lad for wanting to shoot?  Had a good game again today.  Getting better and better.

And if heíd passed, and that player missed, heíd be getting it for not having a go himself!
So a bit of a no win situation.
Iím pleased he had the confidence to have a go
Obviously, if a goal had resulted from either scenario heíd, quite rightly, be getting all the plaudits

If he'd have fed Ings I doubt he would have missed.  Still, he was entitled to take it on himself.

I, too, doubt Ings would have missed, but weíll never know.
I agree, he was certainly entitled to have a go, heíd had a great game.
I actually think if it had been 0-0 heíd have looked to pass.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on September 19, 2021, 12:56:25 PM
He won the ball, created the opening, he deserved to give it a go....he's probably scored umpteen similar for for the U18s/U23s without thinking too much about it.

He's making really good, solid progress and has a touch of flair about him.
He's already on my team sheet for next Saturday.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on September 19, 2021, 01:13:26 PM
I wonder if he's got a bit of an itch to get his first goal. Desperate for him to get that off his back and hopefully he can get a sense of when to play a through ball and when to shoot.

It's one of those where you're damned if you and damned if you don't. If he had passed the ball and it not led to a goal, everyone would have been saying he should have shot.

For a long time Grealish was a bit shot-shy so it's good to see a young lad having the confidence to back himself and have a go. We had just gone 2-0 up, were running riot and got the crowd up so I don't think anyone can say he shouldn't have shot.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on September 19, 2021, 02:11:20 PM
Not to mention that it was Ramseyís excellent challenge that won the ball in the first place. Iím glad he took the chance, donít think Ings was quite as clear through as he looked.

Both the defenders back off to cover the pass each way, it opened up in front of him, he was absolutely right to take it on. Especially given as you say he won it so impressively in the first place.

It was the shot to try as well, a shade more whip and it was perfect, keeper was well beaten. I think he's been ace so far, he's a proper all rounder, physicality, a great touch, vision and intelligent. He's going to be a very good player and his development bodes extremely well the other, potentially more talented players just behind him.

There's a real possibility that in a couple of years we'll have an ace team with half of them from the academy.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 19, 2021, 02:18:27 PM
Both the defenders back off to cover the pass each way, it opened up in front of him, he was absolutely right to take it on.

Exactly. I really can't understand the criticism.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Steve67 on September 19, 2021, 03:01:25 PM
Nobody is criticising Jacob.  The commentator did but I didn't. If you read what I wrote, about him shooting, and why not? All will be well in the world.  I say again, this lad is going to be an excellent player, already very good.  Gives us energy and seems to enjoy putting people on their arse, which I love about him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 19, 2021, 04:15:42 PM
One thing for certain is that we seemingly know how to manage these kids coming through. With the wealth of talent we have now its a credit to him and our academy that he is making the starting place his own.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 19, 2021, 04:39:14 PM
Not to mention that it was Ramseyís excellent challenge that won the ball in the first place. Iím glad he took the chance, donít think Ings was quite as clear through as he looked.

Both the defenders back off to cover the pass each way, it opened up in front of him, he was absolutely right to take it on. Especially given as you say he won it so impressively in the first place.

It was the shot to try as well, a shade more whip and it was perfect, keeper was well beaten. I think he's been ace so far, he's a proper all rounder, physicality, a great touch, vision and intelligent. He's going to be a very good player and his development bodes extremely well the other, potentially more talented players just behind him.

There's a real possibility that in a couple of years we'll have an ace team with half of them from the academy.

I agree with LeeB.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on September 19, 2021, 05:12:05 PM
I watched the whole game again, itís fun when you know the result. The main thing I took from it was how much Ramsey seemed to be enjoying himself, and felt he belonged in the team.

Heís very promising, but Iím still not quite sure what sort of midfielder he is. And Iíll qualify that state by admitting it took me a while to figure out what Dennis Mortimer was.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 19, 2021, 05:20:13 PM
One thing for certain is that we seemingly know how to manage these kids coming through. With the wealth of talent we have now its a credit to him and our academy that he is making the starting place his own.

Yep DS deserves plenty of credit for that. Textbook example of how to bring through a young player. There's always a demand with young player on here for them to start 10 straight games if they have a decent 20 minutes as a sub but you need to dip them in and out so him having lots of sub games last season and the odd start here and there was way to do it and now he looks the part a year on.

Would imagine we'll do the same with Carney this season.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave shelley on September 19, 2021, 05:35:16 PM
I watched the whole game again, itís fun when you know the result. The main thing I took from it was how much Ramsey seemed to be enjoying himself, and felt he belonged in the team.

Heís very promising, but Iím still not quite sure what sort of midfielder he is. And Iíll qualify that state by admitting it took me a while to figure out what Dennis Mortimer was.

Did the same thing myself Nick.  I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that I'm beginning to see shades of Sid.  I know, I know , a lot to live up to and a long way to go but he has that steel and his passing range appears to be improving.  A toughness to his play, not afraid of a tackle and seems well able to look after himself.  All he needs at the moment is a goal or two and he'll be well on his way.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 19, 2021, 05:52:49 PM
There is something a little bit Sid in the way he moves. Or maybe it's just the long sleeves swaying me.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 19, 2021, 06:39:03 PM
Donít really understand the criticism from the commentators about Jake shooting. Quite entitled to have a crack from there, regardless of the score line.

Sexual seems to be of the same opinion. Thought he'd be a champion of JJ.


I am a fan of his. I was just pointing out that 'if' we hadn't won, Ings and Watkins would've been justified in kicking off at him in the dressing room. Anyway, flapping butterfly wings and all that, if it had been 0-0 at that point he may never have had that decision to make.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on September 19, 2021, 06:51:11 PM
I watched the whole game again, itís fun when you know the result. The main thing I took from it was how much Ramsey seemed to be enjoying himself, and felt he belonged in the team.
Heís very promising, but Iím still not quite sure what sort of midfielder he is. And Iíll qualify that state by admitting it took me a while to figure out what Dennis Mortimer was.
Ramsey Major is a continuity player: he is always there to keep the ball moving and knows exactly where to move it to, and with what pace. I like his simplicity on the balls. He's added those driving runs into his game this season, which makes him a more threatening player for the opposition.
He's developing really well.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Lsvilla on September 19, 2021, 07:10:59 PM
I watched the whole game again, itís fun when you know the result. The main thing I took from it was how much Ramsey seemed to be enjoying himself, and felt he belonged in the team.
Heís very promising, but Iím still not quite sure what sort of midfielder he is. And Iíll qualify that state by admitting it took me a while to figure out what Dennis Mortimer was.
Ramsey Major is a continuity player: he is always there to keep the ball moving and knows exactly where to move it to, and with what pace. I like his simplicity on the balls. He's added those driving runs into his game this season, which makes him a more threatening player for the opposition.
He's developing really well.
I agree with this. And I think heís the reason we no longer need to look at JWP. Free kicks can be taken care of elsewhere.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on September 19, 2021, 07:16:25 PM
I didn't know what sort of player he was last year, and am still not entirely sure, other than a very good one. I said it before but I think it bears repeating, in that in my opinion he's gone from a promising youth getting a few games here and there because of injuries or suspensions, to first midfielder name on the team sheet. Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz are starting to look like a very good midfield trio, now that the dire 4-2-3-1 has deservedly been ditched.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 20, 2021, 03:25:43 AM
Donít really understand the criticism from the commentators about Jake shooting. Quite entitled to have a crack from there, regardless of the score line.

Sexual seems to be of the same opinion. Thought he'd be a champion of JJ.


I am a fan of his. I was just pointing out that 'if' we hadn't won, Ings and Watkins would've been justified in kicking off at him in the dressing room. Anyway, flapping butterfly wings and all that, if it had been 0-0 at that point he may never have had that decision to make.

You take the shot in that position. Ings and Watkins would have too.

(https://i.ibb.co/vZf9rT0/Screenshot-2021-09-20-10-22-18.png) (https://ibb.co/vZf9rT0)
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ROBBO on September 20, 2021, 04:06:48 AM
He seems to be able to drift past opponents similar to someone else.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on September 20, 2021, 07:38:58 AM
Donít really understand the criticism from the commentators about Jake shooting. Quite entitled to have a crack from there, regardless of the score line.

Sexual seems to be of the same opinion. Thought he'd be a champion of JJ.


I am a fan of his. I was just pointing out that 'if' we hadn't won, Ings and Watkins would've been justified in kicking off at him in the dressing room. Anyway, flapping butterfly wings and all that, if it had been 0-0 at that point he may never have had that decision to make.

You take the shot in that position. Ings and Watkins would have too.

(https://i.ibb.co/vZf9rT0/Screenshot-2021-09-20-10-22-18.png) (https://ibb.co/vZf9rT0)

He should have laid it off. The 2 defenders and the goalie are covering anything he might do. Pass it to either striker they have one less defender to deal with and there's nothing to say that either Ings or Watkins wouldn't have played the ball back to Ramsey, who may have been in a better position to score with the defenders pulled apart.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 20, 2021, 09:56:42 AM
I don't want to get bogged down in this, but I think you should only shoot from that distance if there aren't any other options closer in. There were two glaring options, both of which involved goalscorers being in promising positions.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on September 20, 2021, 09:59:49 AM
He could easily have under or overhit the pass. If there is an easy pass five yards from goal, fair enough. From there though, he's more than entitled to shoot. Steven Gerrard would probably have scored about ten times in his entire career if you're not allowed to shoot from there.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2021, 10:33:48 AM
We were 2-0 up, he is on form, the adrenalin was flowing and the goal was there. If it had been on target, it had the keeper beaten, but he just put it wide. He's a midfielder and the strikers were rightly pissed off, because it's their job to score. No great shakes.

Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on September 20, 2021, 11:11:15 AM
I didn't know what sort of player he was last year, and am still not entirely sure, other than a very good one. I said it before but I think it bears repeating, in that in my opinion he's gone from a promising youth getting a few games here and there because of injuries or suspensions, to first midfielder name on the team sheet. Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz are starting to look like a very good midfield trio, now that the dire 4-2-3-1 has deservedly been ditched.

It didn't seem dire when we put 7 past Liverpool.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: sonyhill on September 20, 2021, 11:16:31 AM
He's looking better and better each game he plays.  You can forgive him for taking that shot on in front of the Holte.  Would love it to have gone in!
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 20, 2021, 12:10:19 PM
I said it before but I think it bears repeating

Uh-oh, internal jukebox reacts.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2021, 12:15:35 PM
White Stripes finest hour imo.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: brontebilly on September 20, 2021, 12:20:41 PM
I don't want to get bogged down in this, but I think you should only shoot from that distance if there aren't any other options closer in. There were two glaring options, both of which involved goalscorers being in promising positions.

Ings was definitely the pass for me...
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 20, 2021, 01:40:02 PM
Go on then - how many of us Villa fans and assuming local lads would in this situation

20 year old lad from Great Barr, lifelong Villa fan, Superb recycling of the ball that got the crowd standing up, running down at the centre of the goal, Holte end crowd roaring in expectation

Pass or shoot?














If you say pass - you are lying  ;)
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2021, 01:53:34 PM
Reminds me of the argument over Luke Moore squaring to Juampi Angel in one of his first games, against Blose I think it was. Might have been the one where we 2-0 up and... y'know.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2021, 01:55:04 PM
At the time I thought he'd earned the shot.  Seeing just how far out he is on that still, I now think the pass would have been the better choice.  But if he'd pushed Watkins wide with the pass and it had fizzled out of course everybody would be saying he should have been braver and taken it on.

Overall he had a good game. 
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: UK Redsox on September 20, 2021, 02:16:23 PM
Anyone apart from Tonev is entitled to shoot in that situation.

I don't understand the criticism he got from the commentators
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2021, 02:27:04 PM
Anyone apart from Tonev is entitled to shoot in that situation.

I don't understand the criticism he got from the commentators

Was it Andy 'The cock' Hinchcliffe by any chance? He never has anything good to say about us, if we have a chance he'll focus on the oppositions defending, he's an absolute bellend, and seems to always be on our games.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: boozey182 on September 20, 2021, 03:02:08 PM
I didn't know what sort of player he was last year, and am still not entirely sure, other than a very good one. I said it before but I think it bears repeating, in that in my opinion he's gone from a promising youth getting a few games here and there because of injuries or suspensions, to first midfielder name on the team sheet. Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz are starting to look like a very good midfield trio, now that the dire 4-2-3-1 has deservedly been ditched.

This may have been said before, but I'm starting to see a correlation between the 95/96 season. Three midfielders that can do a bit of everything:

McGinn/Townsend - loves a tackle, with a powerful shot and cracking engine
Luiz/Draper - a touch of class about them, always busy and wanting the ball (although don't score as often as they should!)
Ramsey/Taylor - local lad that runs all day and drives the team forward at every opportunity

It's not a perfect like-for-like but there's something in this, right?

I've missed a lot of the discussion about formations on here, but as a midfield three, I think they're the best we've had in a very long time. With Sanson, Nakamba and Carney to come in as well, our midfield is starting to look pretty settled. We have decent replacements for all three. It's just a case of getting a system around them that helps us start dominating play a bit more.  The front 3 (or 2) need to start retaining the ball a bit better and we'll really start hurting teams.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2021, 03:14:02 PM
I didn't know what sort of player he was last year, and am still not entirely sure, other than a very good one. I said it before but I think it bears repeating, in that in my opinion he's gone from a promising youth getting a few games here and there because of injuries or suspensions, to first midfielder name on the team sheet. Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz are starting to look like a very good midfield trio, now that the dire 4-2-3-1 has deservedly been ditched.

This may have been said before, but I'm starting to see a correlation between the 95/96 season. Three midfielders that can do a bit of everything:

McGinn/Townsend - loves a tackle, with a powerful shot and cracking engine
Luiz/Draper - a touch of class about them, always busy and wanting the ball (although don't score as often as they should!)
Ramsey/Taylor - local lad that runs all day and drives the team forward at every opportunity

It's not a perfect like-for-like but there's something in this, right?

I've missed a lot of the discussion about formations on here, but as a midfield three, I think they're the best we've had in a very long time. With Sanson, Nakamba and Carney to come in as well, our midfield is starting to look pretty settled. We have decent replacements for all three. It's just a case of getting a system around them that helps us start dominating play a bit more.  The front 3 (or 2) need to start retaining the ball a bit better and we'll really start hurting teams.

It's not a bad comparison boozey. I suppose you'd say that Mings was the most like Ugo, ie the big imposing figure at the back, with Konsa being the calmer presence like Southgate was.  Don't really think we've got a Yorke or Savo type though.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2021, 03:19:18 PM
Anyone apart from Tonev is entitled to shoot in that situation.

I don't understand the criticism he got from the commentators

Was it Andy 'The cock' Hinchcliffe by any chance? He never has anything good to say about us, if we have a chance he'll focus on the oppositions defending, he's an absolute bellend, and seems to always be on our games.

We must have tried to buy him as a player but not met his wage demands, it's weird how he's so dickish towards us.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on September 20, 2021, 06:26:04 PM
I thought he said: he should have passed but I totally get why he shot.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: DrGonzo on September 20, 2021, 07:07:35 PM
Are we beginninng to think the JWP deal was allowed to die when the price got too high because we have covered his skill range with Ramsey's running, Bailey/Buendia's set pieces??  I'm not even attempting to reopen the whole DMC arguement cause frankly I'd rather tear my own cock off.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 20, 2021, 07:17:16 PM
Could any of the midfielders we were linked with have done better than Ramsey so far?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ads on September 20, 2021, 07:19:41 PM
His improvement is very noticeable. That effortless and deceptively quick glide he has across the park. He moves the ball on well too.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 20, 2021, 07:36:57 PM
His improvement is massive. I said it enough last year that he looked tidy but didnít appear to do a lot. This year he has drive, purpose, and strength.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on September 20, 2021, 08:27:30 PM
Could any of the midfielders we were linked with have done better than Ramsey so far?

That Sanson bloke at Marseille is meant to be good. Think they're looking for £25m-odd though.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on September 20, 2021, 09:03:03 PM
It will be interesting to see what Sanson can do once he's found his form and fitness. He seems to be very McGinn-like so teams might struggle cope with the amount of running in our team, which was something JWP would have brought too.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: martyn ellis on September 20, 2021, 09:32:31 PM
I didn't know what sort of player he was last year, and am still not entirely sure, other than a very good one. I said it before but I think it bears repeating, in that in my opinion he's gone from a promising youth getting a few games here and there because of injuries or suspensions, to first midfielder name on the team sheet. Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz are starting to look like a very good midfield trio, now that the dire 4-2-3-1 has deservedly been ditched.

This may have been said before, but I'm starting to see a correlation between the 95/96 season. Three midfielders that can do a bit of everything:

McGinn/Townsend - loves a tackle, with a powerful shot and cracking engine
Luiz/Draper - a touch of class about them, always busy and wanting the ball (although don't score as often as they should!)
Ramsey/Taylor - local lad that runs all day and drives the team forward at every opportunity

It's not a perfect like-for-like but there's something in this, right?

I've missed a lot of the discussion about formations on here, but as a midfield three, I think they're the best we've had in a very long time. With Sanson, Nakamba and Carney to come in as well, our midfield is starting to look pretty settled. We have decent replacements for all three. It's just a case of getting a system around them that helps us start dominating play a bit more.  The front 3 (or 2) need to start retaining the ball a bit better and we'll really start hurting teams.
Anyone apart from Tonev is entitled to shoot in that situation.

I don't understand the criticism he got from the commentators

Was it Andy 'The cock' Hinchcliffe by any chance? He never has anything good to say about us, if we have a chance he'll focus on the oppositions defending, he's an absolute bellend, and seems to always be on our games.

Agree Lee B. Hinchcliffe is admittedly fairly knowledgeable in his analysis but all he ever seems to do is criticise and tell us what player X should've / could've / would've done. And he drones on and on and on - does my head in, as well as his jokey asides with the main commentator. Give me Alan Smith every time.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: olaftab on September 20, 2021, 10:34:14 PM
He looks like a player.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 28, 2021, 01:21:10 AM
BBC Gossip reporting he's emerged a potential target for Citeh. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: jwarry on September 28, 2021, 06:31:23 AM
BBC Gossip reporting he's emerged a potential target for Citeh. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip

They can say what they like as Iíll doubt we will make the same mistake of putting a price on him again
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: charleeco7 on September 28, 2021, 07:12:57 AM
Sounds like an agent putting out a rumour to get a better contract for their client.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on September 28, 2021, 07:59:32 AM
BBC Gossip reporting he's emerged a potential target for Citeh. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip
They can say what they like as Iíll doubt we will make the same mistake of putting a price on him again
Mind you, if we can get £50m  - say - for him and then elevate his more talented younger brother into our squad it may look like good business.
Not that I'm keen to offload; not at all.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on September 28, 2021, 12:00:38 PM
I would tell Man City to do one we ain't selling no more of our players to them.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 28, 2021, 12:16:23 PM
BBC Gossip reporting he's emerged a potential target for Citeh. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip

It came from a Spanish twitter account. There's nothing to see here.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Jon Crofts on September 28, 2021, 01:01:14 PM
Moves the ball a lot sharper than Joe ever did.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Drummond on September 28, 2021, 01:14:42 PM
Moves the ball a lot sharper than Joe ever did.

Moves himself sharper too.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: wittonwarrior on September 28, 2021, 01:38:30 PM
He could end up some player - needs to forget the limelight and showbiz.  Sure he's getting reminders.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: john e on September 28, 2021, 01:42:32 PM
Heís as good already as those 25-35 mill players prem teams sign including us
Heís a first team pic right now, You canít ask for more than that
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on September 28, 2021, 02:10:22 PM
His Dad used to be a professional boxer I think he will stay grounded.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: DrGonzo on September 28, 2021, 03:29:30 PM
BBC Gossip reporting he's emerged a potential target for Citeh. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip

It came from a Spanish twitter account. There's nothing to see here.

Yes, please (insert deity here) don't lets start all this again. 

The softly, softly approach seems to have paid dividends with Jacob.  Allowing him time to adapt to the rhythm of being around the matchday squad, cameo appearances and the occasional start, he now doesn't seem fazed when asked to fill the role every week. 
I think we are seeing the same with Chucky jr, JPB and Archer this season, lots of time on the bench and the odd cameo.  Good sensible use of young talent.  Sink or swim is fine when they come back up for air.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 28, 2021, 08:05:05 PM
BBC Gossip reporting he's emerged a potential target for Citeh. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/gossip

It came from a Spanish twitter account. There's nothing to see here.

Wasn't concerned, just unusual to see him mentioned amidst all the Scab 6/Super League 12 transfer news that the BBC deems worthy of inclusion in its column.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Somniloquism on September 28, 2021, 11:50:10 PM
Pretty sure the same Spanish site had Spurs going to buy Ollie in the summer (or January).
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on September 29, 2021, 10:02:23 AM
Pretty sure the same Spanish site had Spurs going to buy Ollie in the summer (or January).

Makes you wonder why they bother and who they're pandering to. I'd have no interest in an English site making up rumours about Real Madrid being after a Real Betis player, for instance.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave.woodhall on September 29, 2021, 10:07:05 AM
Pretty sure the same Spanish site had Spurs going to buy Ollie in the summer (or January).

Makes you wonder why they bother and who they're pandering to. I'd have no interest in an English site making up rumours about Real Madrid being after a Real Betis player, for instance.

They're pandering to Manchester City fans and anyone else who clicks onto their site. What pisses me off is when a Villa blog repeats it for much the same reason.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 29, 2021, 12:22:14 PM
Pretty sure the same Spanish site had Spurs going to buy Ollie in the summer (or January).

Makes you wonder why they bother and who they're pandering to. I'd have no interest in an English site making up rumours about Real Madrid being after a Real Betis player, for instance.

They're pandering to Manchester City fans and anyone else who clicks onto their site. What pisses me off is when a Villa blog repeats it for much the same reason.

... and the local 'newspaper'
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Somniloquism on September 29, 2021, 01:45:21 PM
Pretty sure the same Spanish site had Spurs going to buy Ollie in the summer (or January).

Makes you wonder why they bother and who they're pandering to. I'd have no interest in an English site making up rumours about Real Madrid being after a Real Betis player, for instance.

They're pandering to Manchester City fans and anyone else who clicks onto their site. What pisses me off is when a Villa blog repeats it for much the same reason.

... and the local 'newspaper'

Pretty sure their website has more updates on Grealish in Manchester then our players in Birmingham.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave shelley on September 29, 2021, 06:06:57 PM
The 'local newspaper' are currently trying to flog both Luiz and Martinez to Roma.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: shirley_villan on October 07, 2021, 06:51:08 PM
Starts for Englandís 21ís tonight in Slovenia. The gameís on Sky if anyone wants to watch.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on October 08, 2021, 10:35:25 AM
How did he do?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on October 08, 2021, 10:57:46 AM
Doesn't get a mention in the Sky Sports report, as England let slip a 2 goal lead to draw 2-2.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12428368/slovenia-u21-2-2-england-u21-young-lions-squander-two-goal-lead-in-euro-2023-qualifier

The Evening Standard said "Tidy but unremarkable performance from the Aston Villa youngster." and gave him a 6/10.

Tidy and unremarkable is probably a fair description of where he is at the moment.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on October 08, 2021, 12:51:46 PM
It's probably reflective of his first season in our first team but he's involvement is much more for us now.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: SaddVillan on October 08, 2021, 10:58:43 PM
JJ seemed to be playing a holding role in front of the back four, not much opportunity to get forward.

Too many of England's attacking players were too greedy going forward - wanting to do it all themselves instead of passing and moving; more concerned with individual glory rather than team success.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 08, 2021, 11:01:32 PM
Too many people are ready to thrown under a bus. Heís been remarkable this season.   Certainly trust him a hell of lot more than buendia
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 16, 2021, 01:01:34 PM
Never mind Jacob. Aaron rocks it for me outstanding at the sty first half
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Demitri_C on October 16, 2021, 02:04:18 PM
Ramsey dropped
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: GarTomas on October 16, 2021, 06:11:47 PM
Putting a 20 year old on the bench is hardly dropping him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Demitri_C on October 16, 2021, 07:08:38 PM
Putting a 20 year old on the bench is hardly dropping him.

So what is it resting him then? 😂
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 16, 2021, 09:17:36 PM
Awful by Ramsey to foul for the free kick in injury time.
Really nonsensical

Seen all our midfielders past times do this giving away of free kicks in shooting distance particularly Nakamba and Douglas.

Ramsey will learn like they have
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Demitri_C on October 17, 2021, 12:46:50 AM
Terrible sub by deano today. Rather sanson was given the nod
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: tony scott on October 17, 2021, 02:57:16 AM
I like him, at the moment he lacks the killer pass gets into some great positions. gave away free kick today but that was some deflection off Target.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 17, 2021, 10:36:15 AM
Didnít destroy him he is the future   He will be class
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PeterWithe on October 17, 2021, 10:39:22 AM
Terrible sub by deano today. Rather sanson was given the nod

Why?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: rooboy316 on October 17, 2021, 10:44:26 AM
Yep, clumsy challenge and Iím sure heís regretting it. He will learn from it and be a better footballer for it.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: charleeco7 on October 17, 2021, 10:46:55 AM
In general I like him but thought he gave the ball away when he came on and was lightweight getting knocked off the ball.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 17, 2021, 11:03:00 AM
In general I like him but thought he gave the ball away when he came on and was lightweight getting knocked off the ball.
that was the story for most of the team across the last 15 mins
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Vegas on October 17, 2021, 12:41:08 PM
Still canít quite work out my view on him.

Didnít quite see what he offered for most of his cameos last year, but then thought he looked really promising in a couple of games this year, more direct, more energy, getting on the ball a lot.

But then he seems to have gone off the boil a little bit the last couple of times heís played. Not particularly his fault as the whole team went flat, but he certainly didnít really help.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: wittonwarrior on October 17, 2021, 01:23:17 PM
MOTM at Chelsea and Man Ure.  He's a better option than Buendia.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 17, 2021, 01:28:57 PM
MOTM at Chelsea and Man Ure.  He's a better option than Buendia.
they're quite different - which, hopefully means they can both play together at times.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: OCD on October 18, 2021, 11:42:00 AM
In general I like him but thought he gave the ball away when he came on and was lightweight getting knocked off the ball.
that was the story for most of the team across the last 15 mins

Except for the middle 15 minutes of the first half, they gave the ball away time and time again throughout the whole match. So were Wolves for a lot of it but we just never settled.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Drummond on October 19, 2021, 02:54:08 PM
In general I like him but thought he gave the ball away when he came on and was lightweight getting knocked off the ball.

Any midfielder looks lightweight next to Neves though, he's a unit. Only McGinn's arse was big enough.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 22, 2021, 11:29:18 PM
I mean come on let's acknowledge what a great goal and well done to Ramsey tonight vs Arsenal
Brilliant goal.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on October 22, 2021, 11:30:37 PM
Yes, a quality finish indeed. Pleased for him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: paul_e on October 22, 2021, 11:40:36 PM
Superb finish, as well slotted as you'll ever see, no keeper in history gets anywhere near that. Most, like Ramsdale, don't even move for it. He was our best player when he came on, I know they were settling in for the win but he gave us tempo and bite in midfield and made himself available around the box really well.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ROBBO on October 23, 2021, 12:13:54 AM
He has all the talent but like most young players needs a bit of maturity before we see the best of him, he supplied the one positive of the night.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 23, 2021, 12:35:40 AM
Actually had a chance on his left foot too which he put wide and off target for 3-2.
Solid enough when he came on.
Only gonna get better.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: ozzjim on October 23, 2021, 01:17:06 AM
Midfield looks much better when he's in it. Play him.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Walmley_Villa on October 23, 2021, 10:40:55 AM
Deserves to play, carries the ball well, physical and now scoring..  just a shame his first goal will be associated with that performance.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Ian. on October 23, 2021, 10:55:27 AM
I was all for him having a rest and maybe trying Sanson, however heís such a bright player and he definitely makes our midfield better when he plays.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Goldenballs on October 23, 2021, 11:06:31 AM
An absolute beauty of a goal, shame it ended up meaning nothing.

3-1 with 10 mins left and they started to get a bit panicky. Imagine if we'd started with the correct formation.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Villa Lew on October 23, 2021, 11:30:10 AM
Yeah it was a quality goal and his first league goal, he also gets his name in the record books, as the first player born this century to score for Villa in the league.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on October 23, 2021, 12:18:00 PM
I haven't seen the goal - the shit fan I am had turned off by then
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: j66acd on October 23, 2021, 01:02:45 PM
Someone else scored their first Villa goal away from home curling into the top corner in a disappointing defeat and he was pretty decent.

If we play 3 in midfield, he has to be in their for me.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Nunkin1965 on October 23, 2021, 01:08:09 PM
I haven't seen the goal - the shit fan I am had turned off by then

I wasn't that far off turning off either.
Did have the game on but spent most of the second half reading the match thread on here.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: darren woolley on October 23, 2021, 06:37:42 PM
It was a quality finish by Jacob.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: nigel on October 23, 2021, 09:03:20 PM
Someone else scored their first Villa goal away from home curling into the top corner in a disappointing defeat and he was pretty decent.

If we play 3 in midfield, he has to be in their for me.

It was a 2-2 draw wasnít it?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: cdbullyweefan on October 23, 2021, 09:04:43 PM
3-2 defeat against Leicester if we are on about Grealish.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: KRS on November 01, 2021, 12:01:43 AM
Canít believe this hasnít been mentioned yet following the game. Looked like a really bad sprain so could easily be sidelined for 6-8 weeks. Iíve had these kind of injuries before and the doc said it would have been better if Iíd actually broke my ankle as the ligament stretches and never really fully heals, and I had to wear ankle supports whenever I played football again. Hopefully the scan will show itís not serious but this is Villa and our minor injuries last for months.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: AV82EC on November 01, 2021, 09:31:57 AM
Iíve not seen the challenge back either was it just one of those things or was he caught?
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Drummond on November 01, 2021, 09:33:54 AM
Iíve not seen the challenge back either was it just one of those things or was he caught?

One of those things. Didn't appear to be any contact.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: KRS on November 01, 2021, 09:34:40 AM
Just went right over on his ankle whilst moving direction. No other player involved.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: AV82EC on November 01, 2021, 10:57:29 AM
Ok thanks.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 01, 2021, 01:41:19 PM
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Jacob Ramsey will be out until December after going off injured against West Ham (high ankle injury).
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: KRS on November 01, 2021, 01:44:42 PM
Most likely means that heíll be back in light training towards the end of DecemberÖand back in the squad in the new year.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: nigel on November 03, 2021, 07:59:14 AM
Someone else scored their first Villa goal away from home curling into the top corner in a disappointing defeat and he was pretty decent.

If we play 3 in midfield, he has to be in their for me.

It was a 2-2 draw wasnít it?
3-2 defeat against Leicester if we are on about Grealish.

My bad, didnít read post correctly. I was thinking Man U away last season 🙄
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 04, 2021, 05:17:52 PM
Dean confirmed heís trained today and is available for selection tomorrow.  No really he said it.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: nigel on November 27, 2021, 09:04:45 PM
This lad is going to be one heck of a player.
When Gerrard waxes lyrical about him after one week, then Ian Wright, on motd, starts mentioning him he has to be going in the right direction
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: john2710 on November 27, 2021, 09:21:06 PM
Six months ago I couldn't see what he brought to the team. But what a development since then. Great work ethic, carries the ball forward & never wastes possession. I can't recall him making a misplaced pass.

He's only going to get better.

All he needs now is a song...
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 27, 2021, 09:23:47 PM
Six months ago I couldn't see what he brought to the team. But what a development since then. Great work ethic, carries the ball forward & never wastes possession. I can't recall him making a misplaced pass.

He's only going to get better.

All he needs now is a song...

Yep I was the same. I hoped there was more to come, but I didnít see much other than him playing in quite a controlled way. Iím delighted to be wrong, heís come on so much.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: nigel on November 27, 2021, 09:28:08 PM
Six months ago I couldn't see what he brought to the team. But what a development since then. Great work ethic, carries the ball forward & never wastes possession. I can't recall him making a misplaced pass.

He's only going to get better.

All he needs now is a song...

Yep I was the same. I hoped there was more to come, but I didnít see much other than him playing in quite a controlled way. Iím delighted to be wrong, heís come on so much.

When he first broke through he looked like a kid,
Heís beefed up this season and certainly holds his own now
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Villan82 on November 27, 2021, 11:09:49 PM
In the team on merit. And will learn from the manager.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: john e on November 28, 2021, 10:18:49 AM
probably been asked before and Iím probably gona look an idiot
Buy why is his nickname JJ

Also something else you probably all knew his father was a boxer and fought Ricky Hatton twice and lost both times on points so says my iPhone

Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave.woodhall on November 28, 2021, 10:51:08 AM
probably been asked before and Iím probably gona look an idiot
Buy why is his nickname JJ

Also something else you probably all knew his father was a boxer and fought Ricky Hatton twice and lost both times on points so says my iPhone



He also drew with future word champion Junior Witter, who was always kept well away from Hatton. I don't think I'm ever going to say anything bad about the Ramseys.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: john e on November 28, 2021, 01:04:42 PM
probably been asked before and Iím probably gona look an idiot
Buy why is his nickname JJ

Also something else you probably all knew his father was a boxer and fought Ricky Hatton twice and lost both times on points so says my iPhone



He also drew with future word champion Junior Witter, who was always kept well away from Hatton. I don't think I'm ever going to say anything bad about the Ramseys.

Yes Iíd imagine theyíd be pretty handy
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dave shelley on November 28, 2021, 01:10:26 PM
I may be getting a bit ahead of myself but I'm beginning to see shades of Sid in Ramsay.  The way he sees and does the simple things quickly, drives at the opposition defence. tough and in the side as a regular at a very young age.  Big shoes to fill mind but I think he has it, hope so.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: N'ZMAV on November 28, 2021, 04:11:56 PM
I'll hold my hands up; I was wrong about Jacob Ramsey - I didn't see much in him last season, but he's now developing into an all-round midfielder who can do a bit of everything.

Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on November 28, 2021, 04:25:20 PM
I may be getting a bit ahead of myself but I'm beginning to see shades of Sid in Ramsay.  The way he sees and does the simple things quickly, drives at the opposition defence. tough and in the side as a regular at a very young age.  Big shoes to fill mind but I think he has it, hope so.
I think similarly Dave!
Just needs to develop a left foot that can peel an orange in his pocket! ;-)
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Mister E on November 28, 2021, 06:40:54 PM
I may be getting a bit ahead of myself but I'm beginning to see shades of Sid in Ramsay.  The way he sees and does the simple things quickly, drives at the opposition defence. tough and in the side as a regular at a very young age.  Big shoes to fill mind but I think he has it, hope so.
Range of passing and scoring record are the 2 things he needs to improve in order to draw that sort of comparison; but I'm being super-critical because I rate JRamsey highly.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 29, 2021, 02:09:42 AM
Looked a good player to me last season as an impact sub. He would often brighten things up by passing the ball more quickly than the player he had replaced.

Yes, he's filled out a bit and looks like a regular starter now. He just needs to add a McGinn-style goals factor.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: chrisw1 on November 29, 2021, 09:46:12 AM
Six months ago I couldn't see what he brought to the team. But what a development since then. Great work ethic, carries the ball forward & never wastes possession. I can't recall him making a misplaced pass.

He's only going to get better.

All he needs now is a song...

Yep I was the same. I hoped there was more to come, but I didnít see much other than him playing in quite a controlled way. Iím delighted to be wrong, heís come on so much.

When he first broke through he looked like a kid,
Heís beefed up this season and certainly holds his own now
The game passed him by quite a lot last season.  You could see he had quality and energy but he just wasn't quite ready.  This season, almost from his first game, he's been one of our best players.  Chuk should learn from this rather than listening to poison from his agent.  He's being developed fine and will get chances this season, but it won't all happen overnight.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: astonvilla82 on November 29, 2021, 10:21:09 AM
Seems he wants to get involved more
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Drummond on November 29, 2021, 10:33:41 AM
There will be links to the North West clubs coming soon.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: Risso on November 29, 2021, 11:43:56 AM
I love watching him run with the ball. Heís quick and has a nice change of direction when needed.
Title: Re: Jacob Ramsey
Post by: eamonn on November 29, 2021, 01:05:44 PM
He's a glider (and a baller).
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