Jacob Ramsey

[mallo]

He’s a great player, Vila - nice, but this is reality - and fans need to realise this - it’s never going to be home grown vs anything - it’s numbers - maybe dressed up as something big ultimately cash not loyalty

[Stu]

Selling an academy player because it’s incentivised by PSR! Woooo!

[Somniloquism]

OR, selling a player BECAUSE he doesn't want to sign the contract offered, and believes he has a better offer.

[kippaxvilla2]

It could be worse imagine how much sick Newcastle fans have in their mouths over Isak.

[Villatillidie25]

Selling an academy player because it’s incentivised by PSR! Woooo!

Yeah that’s not really the reason though is it. Martinez, Watkins, Kamara would all fetch more, are on higher wages and are also zero net book value so equivalent to a homegrown player.
We’re selling him because a) he won’t sign a new deal b) there’s interest at an acceptable value and c) selling him does the least damage to the first team.

[john e]

It could be worse imagine how much sick Newcastle fans have in their mouths over Isak.

Yes he probably will go before the window close
  But as it stands they currently have the best striker in the premier league

[Dave]

On balance it is good business - I just hope we are able to flex some muscle with the proceeds. 

He maybe thought he was never going to be first choice.  It's always sad to see a homegrown lad go, but with Buendia I guess Unai has seen something different as to how we can attack.

Good luck to him - needs a good run being injury free.

I would rather  have ramsey over buendia  i am afraid..

Pretty sure if Newcastle were offering us £40m for Buendia we'd probably be doing that deal instead.

Unfortunately they're not.

So you agree with me we are weaker with buendia than ramsey

I doubt we could get even half of that for buendia

It's hardly a controversial take.

[VillaTim]

Just had a quick peek at a Newcastle forum and they're pretty excited over there. Probably just happy to have found someone out there finally willing to sign for them.

They should be, they're signing one of our most exciting prospects.

This is the annoying factor . But the world will continue to turn . There is no loyalty in the game as we all know full well .

[PaulWinch again]

It’s not materially different to them selling Elliott Anderson I suppose.

[Demitri_C]

On balance it is good business - I just hope we are able to flex some muscle with the proceeds. 

He maybe thought he was never going to be first choice.  It's always sad to see a homegrown lad go, but with Buendia I guess Unai has seen something different as to how we can attack.

Good luck to him - needs a good run being injury free.

I would rather  have ramsey over buendia  i am afraid..

Pretty sure if Newcastle were offering us £40m for Buendia we'd probably be doing that deal instead.

Unfortunately they're not.

So you agree with me we are weaker with buendia than ramsey

I doubt we could get even half of that for buendia

It's hardly a controversial take.

Didnt say it was  🤷‍♂️

[Dave]

So what's your point? I'd rather have Rogers over Dobbin. I'd rather have Tielemans over Barkley.

Fascinating stuff all round.

[brontebilly]

People are quoting Ramsey's average goal/assists return. There are players though that just pass the eye test in how they play and contribute to their team. At his best, he drives us forward, commits defenders, has an eye for a pass and has great feet.

He's been usurped by his mate Morgan but there are games where Rogers has played awful yet pulled an assist or goal out of the bag. On balance Rogers is the stronger player now but Ramsey is a fine footballer and Howe will know that he can bring guile to a team that are flat-track bullies and reliant on wing-play for a lot of their attacks.

They play in different positions anyway, Rogers doesn't have Ramsey athleticism and struggles on the side of the midfield four. I can see him sulking a bit if he's moved to accommodate Asensio again.

McGinn only got 1 x PL goal last season too and yet it's not used as a stick to beat him with. The sides of our midfield (not wings!) are highly tactical and technical positions to play, both McGinn and JJ were very strong out of possession too. G/A stats shouldn't be the focus.

[PaulWinch again]

That’s true to an extent, not the sulking bit if anything out wide is his route to the World Cup, but Rogers is an absolute star and our most valuable player.

[algy]

It’s a pain in the arse having to sell him, and ideally we wouldn’t. It seems absolute madness that a system meant to make football clubs more sustainable would end up incentivising clubs to buy players in and sell homegrown talent. Not that I have a solution to that, but you’d think the boffins at the Premier League would find some way to incorporate a philosophy of training players up rather than buying them in to their calculations.

Still, I think probably from a playing squad perspective, of players were actually likely to get £40m+ for Jacob Ramsey probably causes the least damage as there’s at least Rogers in there who plays a fairly similar role and is a bit younger. The fee seems reasonable for a player with bags of potential but a question mark with recent injuries.

Doesn’t stop it being a saddening state of affairs though.

[RamboandBruno]

A couple of Easters ago, my lad was just hanging around our high st with his mates, when Emery and the Villa 1st team turned up for an Italian meal. My lad and his mates nearly exploded with excitement, they were 13 at the time. Ive got photo’s of him with Bert, Beundia (he said he was moody), Konsa, Cash, Martinez (one for the ages) and Ramsey. Out of all the players he had a photo with, he loved the one with Ramsey the most, local hero, said he was really friendly etc.
i got home last night from travelling for work for a few days and my boy os really gutted about JJ and the fact we’ve seemingly had to sell him.
As all players who decide to leave Villa, he’s gone for me now, but the local lad leaving element can’t be understated really.