Jacob Ramsey - Gone

[paul_e]

Somebody on twitter said clubs are allowed to lose £5m a year, but owners are allowed to put in £90m in share capital, and that’s where the £105m comes from.

Can’t be right can it?

Yeah, that's about right. If all their borrowing was from banks, etc it would be £15m

Indeed. This is sensible as it stops clubs racking up debts to fund losses and risk the owners walking away. You can lose £5m p.a max but this can increase by £30m p.a. with owner equity input (i.e. not debt) so £35m p.a. in total. This is measured over a 3 year rolling period so £105m p.a. in total.

As Everton found out if you have a really bad year, it will take 3 years for this to flow through. For what its worth I agree the limits should increase with inflation/similar but that should be the owners equity amounts.

I read somewhere recently that the average transfer in the Premier League is now 50% higher than it was when the FFP numbers were set.  So I guess it does make sense that £105m figure should probably be brought more in line with where finances are today.  But that would really only benefit clubs with wealthy owners (like us), which I'm sure isn't the intention of the FFP rules in the first place.

it's a lot more than that, it's consistently been going up by 12% a season for about the last 20 years. The only break was a couple of weird years during covid.

[Dogtanian]

Is there an argument to say that without FFP, transfer fees would have escalated even further than they have?

[eamonn]

Thought the game bypassed JJ again a lot last night when he came on.

[chrisw1]

I'm just going to go with he's not fit yet.  But he's offering nothing at the moment.

[Ads]

Anonymous again. Season looking like a total write off for him.

[brontebilly]

Thought the game bypassed JJ again a lot last night when he came on.

Touch etc were miles off but at least he helped out Moreno defensively at times. Tielemans did nothing of the sort.

[ChicagoLion]

Somebody on twitter said clubs are allowed to lose £5m a year, but owners are allowed to put in £90m in share capital, and that’s where the £105m comes from.

Can’t be right can it?

Yeah, that's about right. If all their borrowing was from banks, etc it would be £15m

Indeed. This is sensible as it stops clubs racking up debts to fund losses and risk the owners walking away. You can lose £5m p.a max but this can increase by £30m p.a. with owner equity input (i.e. not debt) so £35m p.a. in total. This is measured over a 3 year rolling period so £105m p.a. in total.

As Everton found out if you have a really bad year, it will take 3 years for this to flow through. For what its worth I agree the limits should increase with inflation/similar but that should be the owners equity amounts.

I read somewhere recently that the average transfer in the Premier League is now 50% higher than it was when the FFP numbers were set.  So I guess it does make sense that £105m figure should probably be brought more in line with where finances are today.  But that would really only benefit clubs with wealthy owners (like us), which I'm sure isn't the intention of the FFP rules in the first place.

But now teams have hit the FFP ceiling you would expect transfer values to contract.

The original idea behind FFP was to stop clubs getting into financial difficulty.
To an extent this has worked, but now it seems to be trying to curb excessive spending by the bigger clubs.

[Footy-Vill]

In the last two home games vs Man Utd Ramsey has scored and assisted.
Signs are good for Sunday then and a performance!
Come on JJ!

[eamonn]

There was one little shimmy and run against Chelsea that made me think he might be back. Ramsey on form is a match-winner for us, I hope he can take the shackles off now from the injury.

[VillaTim]

There was one little shimmy and run against Chelsea that made me think he might be back. Ramsey on form is a match-winner for us, I hope he can take the shackles off now from the injury.

nice assist for the Diaby goal too. Green shoots of recovery ??

[Paul.S]

Once Ramsey is match fit he’ll be back to his best. I don’t get that people say he’s not doing it because he hasn’t had a run of games and has been injured for most of the season. I’d put him in on Sunday and keep him there. He’s a huge talent, runs at the opposition and his first touch is always forward. We’ve missed him.

[chrisw1]

I wouldn't.  We can't really afford to try to play him into form against Man Utd.

[PaulWinch again]

I think he looked a bit better when he came on the other night, he at least had a bit of his drive back. I’d be inclined to play him on the left on Sunday and shift McGinn to the right, because I think that gives us better cover for the fullbacks, and more potential for overlap (or underlap).

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Anonymous again. Season looking like a total write off for him.

There's still plenty of games left but up until now he's in very much in similar form to when Slippy brought him back from injury and tried to play him back to match fitness. He was miles off the pace for a few months. When fit he's one of our best players but he's no where near the form he was at when last playing and controlling everything for England U21s before the assault by the twat, Francisco Conceição.

If we can get a productive 45 minutes out of him it would be great right now. Anything more would be a massive bonus.

[Risso]

He's one of a few players who is miles off what he's capable of, alongside Moreno, Cash, Kamara and Diaby. I hope they've all had a massive rocket this week, they can't go on being underwhelming forever.