Jacob Ramsey - Gone

[Dogtanian]

Newcastle and Villa are competing with each other. Both have hit the FFP ceiling and are trying to keep improving while complying.

Why would one help the other with their FFP while negatively impacting their own?

Because at £50m over 5 years Ramsey would be a good player for them and by selling Almiron they would have been up on FFP.

Either way, it's clearly not happening and I agree with Percy that Howe's press conference is unequivocal.

Yes, but it still improves a competitors FFP by £50m and hits theirs by £10m a season. A net swing between us of £60m.

If they wanna spunk £50m on someone, they're most likely going to pick a club they're not in a race with.

[Dave]

A quick glance at a Newcastle forum, their reaction seems to collectively be "if Villa were willing to even entertain selling Ramsey to us then they must think his recurring injury is going to f*** him long term".

A couple of them also suggested that they wouldn't trust Howe's denials on the subject. Looks like he has form for denying interest in players only for them to rock up in Newcastle shortly afterwards.

Which amused me given the last couple of dozen posts on here.

[chrisw1]

someone needs to spend at least £50m on Almiron before they can even consider Ramsey. All in the next 48 hours .
This is where Ornstein and The Athletic tie themselves up in knots and lose further credibility. they are no better than scrolling through X
on Almiron, David Ornstein in The Athletic has highlighted this unity, quoting Howe saying, “his priority for this window is just to keep hold of his players.”

It does amuse me how offended some of our fans get when journalists or pundits say things that we don't like.  Ornstein's credibility is beyond question, whether he's right in this particular instance or not. The truth is you'd only ever find out if the transaction happens and even when there is interest from all sides, there are many reasons why a deal may not ultimately be agreed or complete.

The Athletic have a policy that they will only ever report stuff if they have two separate sources saying the same thing.  Jacob Tanswell explained how that can be frustrating and they have lost scoops because of this.

[eamonn]

A quick glance at a Newcastle forum, their reaction seems to collectively be "if Villa were willing to even entertain selling Ramsey to us then they must think his recurring injury is going to f*** him long term".

A couple of them also suggested that they wouldn't trust Howe's denials on the subject. Looks like he has form for denying interest in players only for them to rock up in Newcastle shortly afterwards.

Which amused me given the last couple of dozen posts on here.

Good point. I presume they rate him, generally.

I'd be really gutted if he left. I know Cole Ramsey is the next Grealish, but JJ and Aaron in the first team was the last dream of Villa fans to Villa players I dared have after Jack/Joe/Greasy/Sexy's departure.

[VillaTim]

someone needs to spend at least £50m on Almiron before they can even consider Ramsey. All in the next 48 hours .
This is where Ornstein and The Athletic tie themselves up in knots and lose further credibility. they are no better than scrolling through X
on Almiron, David Ornstein in The Athletic has highlighted this unity, quoting Howe saying, “his priority for this window is just to keep hold of his players.”

It does amuse me how offended some of our fans get when journalists or pundits say things that we don't like.  Ornstein's credibility is beyond question, whether he's right in this particular instance or not. The truth is you'd only ever find out if the transaction happens and even when there is interest from all sides, there are many reasons why a deal may not ultimately be agreed or complete.

The Athletic have a policy that they will only ever report stuff if they have two separate sources saying the same thing.  Jacob Tanswell explained how that can be frustrating and they have lost scoops because of this.

when it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchness

[paul_e]

Newcastle and Villa are competing with each other. Both have hit the FFP ceiling and are trying to keep improving while complying.

Why would one help the other with their FFP while negatively impacting their own?

I don’t think we’ve hit the FFP ceiling.

£99.5m loss (2020) drops out of our 3-year FFP cycle this year, leaving us with £37m loss (2021) and £400k profit (2022), leaving us headroom for an allowable £70m loss in the next (2023) accounts. Given turnover has gone up £38m, we should be nowhere near that.

Calling Risso to the thread.

I don't think the calculations for FFP are the same as used to report the accounts (because there are bits that aren't counted, etc) so I'm not sure how closely the 2 mesh together. Not really my thing though.

[Dave]

someone needs to spend at least £50m on Almiron before they can even consider Ramsey. All in the next 48 hours .
This is where Ornstein and The Athletic tie themselves up in knots and lose further credibility. they are no better than scrolling through X
on Almiron, David Ornstein in The Athletic has highlighted this unity, quoting Howe saying, “his priority for this window is just to keep hold of his players.”

It does amuse me how offended some of our fans get when journalists or pundits say things that we don't like.  Ornstein's credibility is beyond question, whether he's right in this particular instance or not. The truth is you'd only ever find out if the transaction happens and even when there is interest from all sides, there are many reasons why a deal may not ultimately be agreed or complete.

The Athletic have a policy that they will only ever report stuff if they have two separate sources saying the same thing.  Jacob Tanswell explained how that can be frustrating and they have lost scoops because of this.

when it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchness

Only if you don't pay any attention at all.

[Brazilian Villain]

when it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchness

Didn't Percy post that the Daily Mail is the most accurate newspaper?

*when it comes to transfer speculation/gossip.

[paul_e]

when it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchness

Didn't Percy post that the Daily Mail is the most accurate newspaper?

*when it comes to transfer speculation/gossip.

No idea but it's not true, they're actually pretty near the bottom - https://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/sources/newspapers


Quick caveat, I don't know how up-to-date that is. It says from the start of the 2006 window and looks very dated but then does reference the current window at the top so it appears to be maintained still.

[Percy McCarthy]

when it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchness

Didn't Percy post that the Daily Mail is the most accurate newspaper?

*when it comes to transfer speculation/gossip.

No idea but it's not true, they're actually pretty near the bottom - https://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/sources/newspapers

It was years, possibly decades, ago when they won that title.

[chrisw1]

someone needs to spend at least £50m on Almiron before they can even consider Ramsey. All in the next 48 hours .
This is where Ornstein and The Athletic tie themselves up in knots and lose further credibility. they are no better than scrolling through X
on Almiron, David Ornstein in The Athletic has highlighted this unity, quoting Howe saying, “his priority for this window is just to keep hold of his players.”

It does amuse me how offended some of our fans get when journalists or pundits say things that we don't like.  Ornstein's credibility is beyond question, whether he's right in this particular instance or not. The truth is you'd only ever find out if the transaction happens and even when there is interest from all sides, there are many reasons why a deal may not ultimately be agreed or complete.

The Athletic have a policy that they will only ever report stuff if they have two separate sources saying the same thing.  Jacob Tanswell explained how that can be frustrating and they have lost scoops because of this.

when it comes to transfer speculation they are all much of a muchness

I can assure you that Sports Insider's 'SportsPeteO' and David Ornstein are not much of a muchness

[aev]

Collomosse seems pretty clued up.

[chrisw1]

Collomosse seems pretty clued up.

Yeah, he's decent.

[Percy McCarthy]

someone needs to spend at least £50m on Almiron before they can even consider Ramsey. All in the next 48 hours .
This is where Ornstein and The Athletic tie themselves up in knots and lose further credibility. they are no better than scrolling through X
on Almiron, David Ornstein in The Athletic has highlighted this unity, quoting Howe saying, “his priority for this window is just to keep hold of his players.”

It does amuse me how offended some of our fans get when journalists or pundits say things that we don't like.  Ornstein's credibility is beyond question, whether he's right in this particular instance or not. The truth is you'd only ever find out if the transaction happens and even when there is interest from all sides, there are many reasons why a deal may not ultimately be agreed or complete.

The Athletic have a policy that they will only ever report stuff if they have two separate sources saying the same thing.  Jacob Tanswell explained how that can be frustrating and they have lost scoops because of this.

Same policy as Sky Sports News then, according to Dan Bardell*.

*He’s a Villa podcaster who sometimes works for Sky.

[Steve67]

All this, and Villa just happening to be playing Newcastle tomorrow night. Who'd have thought it.