Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2024, 11:46:41 AM
https://x.com/david_ornstein/status/1812062321058939360?s=46
https://x.com/fabrizioromano/status/1812071862429466890?s=46
https://x.com/theathleticfc/status/1812062902830158009?s=46
Post by: Ian. on July 13, 2024, 11:50:24 AM
Post by: john e on July 13, 2024, 11:52:59 AM
Post by: Pete3206 on July 13, 2024, 11:57:51 AM
Post by: VillaTim on July 13, 2024, 11:58:45 AM
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2024, 11:59:48 AM
Does he fill the Kamara role or more a replacement to Dougie?
Yeah I’m also asking what type of midfielder is he ?
He does both. More a Kamara player, but has a good, expansive range of passing, albeit nowhere near as polished as Doug yet. He's 4 years younger, 3 foot called than Doug though. A lot of promise and will do better in a team that uses its midfield.
Post by: Steve67 on July 13, 2024, 12:00:53 PM
He hasn't kicked on at Everton because they don't use him in the right way. Sean Dyche is a fine Manager, but he's no Unai.
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2024, 12:03:33 PM
McGinn and Konsa winning fouls for fun to cries of "VIlla are cheating/diving/soft bastards" to out of possession running, kicking and generally bullying them off the park to shrieks of "Villa are dirty/overly physical/shithousing bastards".
It's going to be fucking glorious.
Post by: dubont on July 13, 2024, 12:07:41 PM
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Post by: Nev on July 13, 2024, 12:11:25 PM
Feel free to use this as a stick to beat me with hereafter.
Post by: Villafirst on July 13, 2024, 12:11:39 PM
Everton fans don't appear to rate him.
He's playing for a crap manager in a crap team. Trust Unai's judgement!
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2024, 12:12:03 PM
Then there are the odd few with gems like this (from the Grand Old Team)
Villa aren't top level and I would argue we could get to where they are in three years.
A sideways'ish move.
In fairness he’s been laughed at by his own lot
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2024, 12:12:45 PM
Post by: jwarry on July 13, 2024, 12:15:49 PM
Everton fans don't appear to rate him.
That’s because he was playing in a crap team. If anyone cares to re-watch all Belgiums Euro matches you will understand beter why he is perfect for us. Even the game they lost to France he stood out for me as someone who can command and dictate a game
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 13, 2024, 12:15:59 PM
Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2024, 12:16:06 PM
Post by: OCD on July 13, 2024, 12:17:33 PM
Post by: jwarry on July 13, 2024, 12:19:03 PM
Everton fans don't appear to rate him.
That’s because he was playing in a crap team. If anyone cares to re-watch all Belgiums Euro matches you will understand beter why he is perfect for us. Even the game they lost to France he stood out for me as someone who can command and dictate a game
Here you go https://youtu.be/91qSedqQayA?si=n3d6Nymn3qpUCOSi
Post by: KevinGage on July 13, 2024, 12:19:26 PM
First bit of business I have genuinely been excited about this summer.
He's prob closer to a box to box/ attacking midfielder. But does the ugly stuff as well.
Emery often played two defensive (or defence minded) CMs at Villareal. So with Doug gone, I wonder if we'll see more of that this season. And the creativity and invention coming from the wide areas.
Pau prob needs a bit more protection to let him do what he does. The back four in general needed more protection, going by our last third of the season and the final goals against tally.
Post by: nigel on July 13, 2024, 12:21:47 PM
The ‘wants to play for Unai’ is becoming a regular saying these days.
Post by: jwarry on July 13, 2024, 12:23:25 PM
He’s bought into the project and wants to play for Unai.
The ‘wants to play for Unai’ is becoming a regular saying these days.
Indeed although the offer of champs league is no doubt the clincher
Post by: Villafirst on July 13, 2024, 12:23:33 PM
Post by: nigel on July 13, 2024, 12:24:06 PM
Most Everton fans are disappointed he’s going and recognize our ambition
Then there are the odd few with gems like this (from the Grand Old Team)
Villa aren't top level and I would argue we could get to where they are in three years.
A sideways'ish move.
In fairness he’s been laughed at by his own lot
Could have been written by a Small Heathen, they are so alike
Post by: Tuscans on July 13, 2024, 12:25:29 PM
The bloke who wrote that did get laughed at a lot on there.Most Everton fans are disappointed he’s going and recognize our ambition
Then there are the odd few with gems like this (from the Grand Old Team)
Villa aren't top level and I would argue we could get to where they are in three years.
A sideways'ish move.
In fairness he’s been laughed at by his own lot
Could have been written by a Small Heathen, they are so alike
Post by: Dogtanian on July 13, 2024, 12:25:38 PM
Everton fans don't appear to rate him.
That’s because he was playing in a crap team. If anyone cares to re-watch all Belgiums Euro matches you will understand beter why he is perfect for us. Even the game they lost to France he stood out for me as someone who can command and dictate a game
Here you go https://youtu.be/91qSedqQayA?si=n3d6Nymn3qpUCOSi
Can we please have warnings on links likely to contain Ally McCoist? :-\
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 13, 2024, 12:27:15 PM
Post by: nigel on July 13, 2024, 12:27:18 PM
He’s bought into the project and wants to play for Unai.
The ‘wants to play for Unai’ is becoming a regular saying these days.
Indeed although the offer of champs league is no doubt the clincher
I suppose that did cross his mind 😂
Post by: Smithy on July 13, 2024, 12:29:47 PM
Bring it on!
Post by: john e on July 13, 2024, 12:31:15 PM
Most Everton fans are disappointed he’s going and recognize our ambition
Then there are the odd few with gems like this (from the Grand Old Team)
Villa aren't top level and I would argue we could get to where they are in three years.
A sideways'ish move.
In fairness he’s been laughed at by his own lot
In fairness, he’s not wrong
We are where we are because of our owners
Without them I we can’t pay the tax bill and are mortgaging the car parks
We won the lottery with them and Everton didn’t but it could’ve been the other way round
To
Post by: Astnor on July 13, 2024, 12:31:41 PM
Post by: garyellis on July 13, 2024, 12:32:44 PM
Everton fans don't appear to rate him.That is incorrect
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2024, 12:51:11 PM
Most Everton fans are disappointed he’s going and recognize our ambition
Then there are the odd few with gems like this (from the Grand Old Team)
Villa aren't top level and I would argue we could get to where they are in three years.
A sideways'ish move.
In fairness he’s been laughed at by his own lot
In fairness, he’s not wrong
We are where we are because of our owners
Without them I we can’t pay the tax bill and are mortgaging the car parks
We won the lottery with them and Everton didn’t but it could’ve been the other way round
To
He’s completely wrong. Everton to Villa being a sideways’ish move is like saying driving a 1983 Datsun Cherry and a brand new Bentley is the same’ish because they are both cars.
Post by: Goldenballs on July 13, 2024, 12:54:56 PM
If anyone is interested you can check out some comparison stats there.
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 13, 2024, 12:56:30 PM
Post by: john e on July 13, 2024, 12:59:51 PM
Most Everton fans are disappointed he’s going and recognize our ambition
Then there are the odd few with gems like this (from the Grand Old Team)
Villa aren't top level and I would argue we could get to where they are in three years.
A sideways'ish move.
In fairness he’s been laughed at by his own lot
In fairness, he’s not wrong
We are where we are because of our owners
Without them I we can’t pay the tax bill and are mortgaging the car parks
We won the lottery with them and Everton didn’t but it could’ve been the other way round
To
He’s completely wrong. Everton to Villa being a sideways’ish move is like saying driving a 1983 Datsun Cherry and a brand new Bentley is the same’ish because they are both cars.
I’m meaning any big club who gets the right rich owners
Post by: john e on July 13, 2024, 01:01:21 PM
Everton fans don't appear to rate him.That is incorrect
Yeah mixed for me
But more favourable ones from what I can see
Post by: Dave on July 13, 2024, 01:06:42 PM
Everton fans don't appear to rate him.That is incorrect
Yeah mixed for me
But more favourable ones from what I can see
You've also got to factor in the spurned lover factor. The last dozen pages of the Douglas Luiz thread had loads of "not that good anyway / carried by Kamara / no big loss" stuff.
Post by: john e on July 13, 2024, 01:07:24 PM
Post by: Mister E on July 13, 2024, 01:08:15 PM
I wondered whether Emery would be watching the Belgium games where they paired up Tielemans and Onana.There's the magic in this acquisition: "I see your Kamara-Luiz combo and raise you a Tielemans-Onana combo".
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 13, 2024, 01:08:33 PM
Everton fans don't appear to rate him.That is incorrect
Yeah mixed for me
But more favourable ones from what I can see
You've also got to factor in the spurned lover factor. The last dozen pages of the Douglas Luiz thread had loads of "not that good anyway / carried by Kamara / no big loss" stuff.
Indeed, scorned lover syndrome.
Post by: AGRIPPA on July 13, 2024, 01:09:03 PM
Post by: john e on July 13, 2024, 01:11:49 PM
Everton fans don't appear to rate him.That is incorrect
Yeah mixed for me
But more favourable ones from what I can see
You've also got to factor in the spurned lover factor. The last dozen pages of the Douglas Luiz thread had loads of "not that good anyway / carried by Kamara / no big loss" stuff.
Agreed same for Diaby, not that he’s gone
Post by: algy on July 13, 2024, 01:13:08 PM
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Post by: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2024, 01:25:34 PM
He has height, pace, strength, athleticism, good tackler, good passer & is young with even more potential.
Here is a comparison of him & Kamara last year. And thats in a hoof over the middle Dycheball team;
(https://i.ibb.co/gmp6MH9/IMG-0188.jpg)
Here is his Premier League heat-map for last year; ;
(https://i.ibb.co/n7Fv0DW/IMG-0187.jpg)
His overall match rating for the Prem season was 7.06. So much for Everton fans saying he was shit. And again, that is in a "Dycheball" team.
And here is a page that shows his heat-maps across other tournaments, game ratings which are averaged out over the season, & a shit ton of other details for him;
https://www.sofascore.com/player/amadou-onana/923973 (https://www.sofascore.com/player/amadou-onana/923973)
Post by: VillaTim on July 13, 2024, 01:26:25 PM
Crikey, Amadou Onana is 6'6" ! We're going to look a big team next season!launch some bombs and lets start moving them Centre Backs
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 13, 2024, 01:36:47 PM
If this is what top 4 and Champions League gets you, bring it on. It looks like Unai is planning to make sure last season was no one off. I loved our midfield last season, a joy to watch. Next season? My God we're going to be unstoppable.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2024, 01:37:58 PM
If we don't start winning trophies with this squad, this manager and these owners, we're never going to fecking win any.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2024, 01:43:56 PM
Crikey, Amadou Onana is 6'6" ! We're going to look a big team next season!
He is 6'4"/6'5".
Still tall as shit & still a very good weapon in both boxes aerially...
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2024, 01:44:37 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2024, 01:45:26 PM
I think he's got a lot to prove being honest - definitely has potential but not all that much end product thus far. Mitigation being he was playing for Everton so like us in 2015ishhe's not been coached properly since he's been in England and he's still done well. Unai will turn him into a world beater
Post by: Ian. on July 13, 2024, 01:47:24 PM
Post by: Matt C on July 13, 2024, 01:48:18 PM
What is really interesting is it’s another versatile signing giving Emery more options on how we setup. Albeit ravaged by injuries and other teams being more aware of us, come the second half of last season besides swapping a couple like-for-like there wasn’t really anywhere for Emery to go in terms of mixing things up.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2024, 01:49:35 PM
He is excellent at all three, & beyond... 👍
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 13, 2024, 01:52:12 PM
Pretty much guatanteed to win the league now.
If we don't start winning trophies with this squad, this manager and these owners, we're never going to fecking win any.
Ha! Not sure about winning the league just yet but we're going to taking some shifting out of the top 4. Trophies is another thing. I think we already have the trophy for most midfielders at a club. No wonder Barkley looked so miserable yesterday. Is 2025 finally going to be our year when we lift again that domestic trophy that has been avoiding us for decades?
Post by: Matt C on July 13, 2024, 01:55:04 PM
I covered aerial duels & tackles, balls won, etc, in the graphic in my message above...
He is excellent at all three, & beyond... 👍
Just now seeing it - fresh from Unai’s data room.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2024, 01:55:52 PM
Post by: rougegorge on July 13, 2024, 02:12:34 PM
I think he's got a lot to prove being honest - definitely has potential but not all that much end product thus far. Mitigation being he was playing for Everton so like us in 2015ishI agree. He never really stood out, and I didn't notice him do much for Belgium. However he is young and Emery has a knack of improving players.
Post by: lovejoy on July 13, 2024, 02:15:38 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 13, 2024, 02:18:43 PM
Crikey, Amadou Onana is 6'6" ! We're going to look a big team next season!
He is 6'4"/6'5".
Yeah, he's just over 6' 4", the perfect height really.
Post by: john e on July 13, 2024, 02:22:39 PM
Crikey, Amadou Onana is 6'6" ! We're going to look a big team next season!
He is 6'4"/6'5".
Yeah, he's just over 6' 4", the perfect height really.
Crikey, Amadou Onana is 6'6" ! We're going to look a big team next season!
He is 6'4"/6'5".
Yeah, he's just over 6' 4", the perfect height really.
Bloody hell, he’s lost 2 inches in just over an hour
By the time we get him he’ll be no bigger than Allan Wright
Post by: OCD on July 13, 2024, 02:25:43 PM
Pretty much guatanteed to win the league now.
If we don't start winning trophies with this squad, this manager and these owners, we're never going to fecking win any.
Ha! Not sure about winning the league just yet but we're going to taking some shifting out of the top 4. Trophies is another thing. I think we already have the trophy for most midfielders at a club. No wonder Barkley looked so miserable yesterday. Is 2025 finally going to be our year when we lift again that domestic trophy that has been avoiding us for decades?
It's just what Barkley needs. Last season he had Lokonga alongside him a lot of the time being the main DMC and letting him go and play.
Hopefully Emery can turn Onana into our version of Patrick Vieira.
Post by: olaftab on July 13, 2024, 02:40:01 PM
We are paying by the inch so it’s a million less if we measure him at 6’ 4”
Bloody hell, he’s lost 2 inches in just over an hour
By the time we get him he’ll be no bigger than Allan Wright
Post by: andyh on July 13, 2024, 02:43:30 PM
Post by: john e on July 13, 2024, 02:44:04 PM
We are paying by the inch so it’s a million less if we measure him at 6’ 4”
Bloody hell, he’s lost 2 inches in just over an hour
By the time we get him he’ll be no bigger than Allan Wright
Blokes do tend to have a very over imaginative way of measuring things
Post by: Tuscans on July 13, 2024, 03:03:22 PM
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Post by: Ian. on July 13, 2024, 03:21:34 PM
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 13, 2024, 03:26:12 PM
Followed by Archer to Everton for £35m….Now that would have the Sky 6 spitting mad, lol
Post by: villadelph on July 13, 2024, 03:34:42 PM
Post by: Risso on July 13, 2024, 03:41:07 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2024, 03:44:26 PM
Most Everton fans are disappointed he’s going and recognize our ambition
Then there are the odd few with gems like this (from the Grand Old Team)
Villa aren't top level and I would argue we could get to where they are in three years.
A sideways'ish move.
In fairness he’s been laughed at by his own lot
In fairness, he’s not wrong
We are where we are because of our owners
Without them I we can’t pay the tax bill and are mortgaging the car parks
We won the lottery with them and Everton didn’t but it could’ve been the other way round
To
Everton won the lottery as well, but they blew it like Viv Nicholson or that scummy Rangers fan.
Post by: VillaTim on July 13, 2024, 03:52:46 PM
Post by: oldtimernow on July 13, 2024, 04:01:40 PM
100% the midfielder we've been missing.
I’m getting Patrick Viera type vibes…🤔
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2024, 04:01:45 PM
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2024, 04:05:19 PM
Slight aside but getting away from that new Everton ground isn't going to be quick or easy given a lot of it is surrounded by water and it's the wrong side of Liverpool.
Easier to get away from than Goodison.
You've got Sandhills station over the way and that's 10 minutes to Headbolt Station if you've parked and rode in. Going the otherway you're 5 mins train to Central and a short walk to Lime Street. It's also not particularly far to walk into the City Centre down the Strand.
Parking wise there's a pair of £3 all day car parks near Pall Mall over Leeds Street, although they'll likely be £10 jobs on match day.
It's very easy to get to and will be a cracking away day.
Post by: villadelph on July 13, 2024, 04:09:48 PM
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2024, 04:10:35 PM
Some proper tacklers and tracking back in the midfield now.
There are. I fancy us to finally twat Newcastle away from home as a result.
Post by: eamonn on July 13, 2024, 04:13:59 PM
He's really raw, playing for a manager that bypasses the midfield and has them sitting deep and narrow, usually flooded by an opposition press. How do you stand out in that? He's coming to play for a genius and is basically a nipper at 22.
Really raw for £50m? Nah, he's already shown enough quality and maturity for club and country from what I've seen.
Post by: Luffbralion on July 13, 2024, 04:15:32 PM
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2024, 04:17:07 PM
Good stats, but he spends less time between passes than any other Everton player. The antithesis of a Dyche player.
Post by: VillaTim on July 13, 2024, 04:24:26 PM
Fair enough I look forward to going there looks a cracking stadium.Slight aside but getting away from that new Everton ground isn't going to be quick or easy given a lot of it is surrounded by water and it's the wrong side of Liverpool.
Easier to get away from than Goodison.
You've got Sandhills station over the way and that's 10 minutes to Headbolt Station if you've parked and rode in. Going the otherway you're 5 mins train to Central and a short walk to Lime Street. It's also not particularly far to walk into the City Centre down the Strand.
Parking wise there's a pair of £3 all day car parks near Pall Mall over Leeds Street, although they'll likely be £10 jobs on match day.
It's very easy to get to and will be a cracking away day.
Post by: dorsetvillian on July 13, 2024, 04:27:03 PM
Post by: Tuscans on July 13, 2024, 04:34:19 PM
Formal proposal accepted, five year deal for Onana at Villa valid until June 2029.
Medical being booked then deal set to be signed next week.
Post by: Richard E on July 13, 2024, 04:34:50 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on July 13, 2024, 04:35:33 PM
Onana watches footage back as soon as he gets home from a match, then does it again the next day, “just to see what I can do better”. He is a keen student of the game and is constantly looking at where he can improve.
“There are more experienced players than me and players across the league I can learn a lot from. You can never learn enough. There’s always room for improvement.”
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 13, 2024, 04:37:07 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2024, 04:40:19 PM
He's inconsistent and I don't think he's as good a passer as Dougie is yet. At 22, he's nowhere near the finished article and I wouldn't expect him to be. I think his potential is much greater than Dougie mind, because he's so much bigger, stronger and quicker.
Good stats, but he spends less time between passes than any other Everton player. The antithesis of a Dyche player.
We have Tielemans, Barkley and McGinn who is a very underrated passer to help out there. Onana can get up and down the pitch and do many of things those players can’t. That’s what we have bought. A really good player who has age on his side and the chance to become outstanding.
Post by: Keeno on July 13, 2024, 04:40:32 PM
Onana: Unai's gonna love him - some bits from a piece on him in The Athletic
Onana watches footage back as soon as he gets home from a match, then does it again the next day, “just to see what I can do better”. He is a keen student of the game and is constantly looking at where he can improve.
“There are more experienced players than me and players across the league I can learn a lot from. You can never learn enough. There’s always room for improvement.”
Amazing to hear.
What a signing this is - equivalent of Arsenal getting Rice last year. He’s got the potential to be on that level.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2024, 04:43:25 PM
Romano just tweeted deal done.
The classic Romano goal poach after Ornstein broke the news that this was happening.
Post by: villadelph on July 13, 2024, 04:52:22 PM
🎶 Doo doo doo Amadou Onana 🎶
What’s My Name by Rihanna seems fitting
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 13, 2024, 04:54:43 PM
Post by: Risso on July 13, 2024, 04:55:28 PM
He's inconsistent and I don't think he's as good a passer as Dougie is yet. At 22, he's nowhere near the finished article and I wouldn't expect him to be. I think his potential is much greater than Dougie mind, because he's so much bigger, stronger and quicker.
Good stats, but he spends less time between passes than any other Everton player. The antithesis of a Dyche player.
He's going to be better than Luiz. No sour grapes there, he just is. When we needed Doug to step up after Kamara was injured, he pretty well went missing for the rest of the season. I don't think a player whose own form is so dependent on another player can be considered world class. I am very excited to see this lad in action, with a hugely better squad and manager than he's used to.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2024, 04:59:42 PM
🎶 Doo doo doo Amadou Onana 🎶
He’s got a great song. They were singing it at the LC game last year. We need to be stealing that.
Post by: Tuscans on July 13, 2024, 04:59:58 PM
Loves a repost that c@nt, just like pauliewalnuts.Romano just tweeted deal done.
The classic Romano goal poach after Ornstein broke the news that this was happening.
Post by: LukeJames on July 13, 2024, 05:09:08 PM
He’s a destroyer, a creator, he’s tall, he’s mean, he’s exactly what we need.That's his song sorted.
Post by: enigma on July 13, 2024, 05:12:44 PM
That said, the fee surprised me a bit. Seems a bit steep.
Post by: Rigadon on July 13, 2024, 05:18:15 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2024, 05:19:01 PM
Romano is a copy and paste machine.
Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2024, 05:28:37 PM
🎶 Doo doo doo Amadou Onana 🎶
What’s My Name by Rihanna seems fitting
Seems the obvious choice and quite frankly with two players in the league with the name, I'm surprised it hasn't been used. (Unless of course it has and I just haven't been paying attention)
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 13, 2024, 05:29:22 PM
Guess this means Connor whatshisname isn't coming, which is fine with me.
yes the London Centric hoofer
Post by: Tuscans on July 13, 2024, 05:33:56 PM
Gabby sang it once on talksport so it put everyone off.🎶 Doo doo doo Amadou Onana 🎶
What’s My Name by Rihanna seems fitting
Seems the obvious choice and quite frankly with two players in the league with the name, I'm surprised it hasn't been used. (Unless of course it has and I just haven't been paying attention)
Post by: villadelph on July 13, 2024, 05:35:27 PM
Guess this means Connor whatshisname isn't coming, which is fine with me.
yes the London Centric hoofer
Dodged McKennie and Manbun, ended up with Onana. Thank you football gods.
Post by: Somniloquism on July 13, 2024, 05:40:51 PM
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2024, 05:45:03 PM
We're going to topple in flux Liverpool and close the gap on the top two, minimum.
Post by: Pete3206 on July 13, 2024, 05:46:53 PM
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2024, 05:52:44 PM
I've had the "he's shit anyway" message from my Everton supporting colleague so that can only mean one thing. He's gutted.
There's a good chunk of Everton fans that are happy we're upsetting the established teams, but even with them it won't be long before they fucking hate us for being what they were hoping for, and more.
I can't wait.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 13, 2024, 05:56:56 PM
This is serious business.
We're going to topple in flux Liverpool and close the gap on the top two, minimum.
On RAWK they reckon our transfer business has been "underwhelming", and expect we'll finish 6-8th.
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2024, 06:01:14 PM
This is serious business.
We're going to topple in flux Liverpool and close the gap on the top two, minimum.
On RAWK they reckon our transfer business has been "underwhelming", and expect we'll finish 6-8th.
My reasonably clued up Liverpool supporting mate is shitting it and not convinced at all by Slot, quote "Ten Haag without the beard"
Post by: Rigadon on July 13, 2024, 06:02:19 PM
This is serious business.
We're going to topple in flux Liverpool and close the gap on the top two, minimum.
On RAWK they reckon our transfer business has been "underwhelming", and expect we'll finish 6-8th.
I can kind of see why some people would say that - we have signed any superstars. Pre-Unai, I would've thought the same thing if I'm being completely honest. But Mr Emery is a fucking genius, so they can all do one!
Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2024, 06:11:15 PM
Gabby sang it once on talksport so it put everyone off.🎶 Doo doo doo Amadou Onana 🎶
What’s My Name by Rihanna seems fitting
Seems the obvious choice and quite frankly with two players in the league with the name, I'm surprised it hasn't been used. (Unless of course it has and I just haven't been paying attention)
Yep, that would do it.
Post by: Gareth on July 13, 2024, 06:17:26 PM
Everton fans will have seen nothing of his potential in a Emery game plan so we’ll trust Unai & Monchi judgement
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 13, 2024, 06:33:35 PM
Most reports are stating that with Onana being sold, they definitely will not be selling Branthwaite to Manure. So double result.
Thats the cherry on top of this deal that makes it all the tastier...
I can just see that ManU rat Ratcliffe throwing a temper tantrum at his desk at the disrespect his club is getting because we should be thankful they bring in the TV money & they deserve special treatment...
Utter c***.
Onana: Unai's gonna love him - some bits from a piece on him in The Athletic
Onana watches footage back as soon as he gets home from a match, then does it again the next day, “just to see what I can do better”. He is a keen student of the game and is constantly looking at where he can improve.
“There are more experienced players than me and players across the league I can learn a lot from. You can never learn enough. There’s always room for improvement.”
That is quality. Him & Watkins are going to get along famously...
Post by: manic-road on July 13, 2024, 06:37:53 PM
Post by: trinityoap on July 13, 2024, 06:51:45 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 13, 2024, 07:09:05 PM
Yet here we are strengthening.
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 13, 2024, 07:17:01 PM
Post by: AV84 on July 13, 2024, 07:20:48 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 13, 2024, 07:20:57 PM
Cos every man and his dog has been banking on FFP unravelling us this summer.
Yet here we are strengthening.
Ahem.
Post by: darren woolley on July 13, 2024, 07:36:38 PM
Post by: olaftab on July 13, 2024, 07:48:46 PM
Remember when the ‘big clubs’ would come calling for our players? That’s how Everton feel right now.Yes indeed. We all remember after Barry, Young and Milner were taken we kept getting progressively worse. After Benteke and Delph left we became total dross and ended up with 17 points and relegation. If Everton lose Onana and Branthwaite this season I can see the same end for them.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 13, 2024, 07:52:40 PM
Onana: Unai's gonna love him - some bits from a piece on him in The Athletic
Onana watches footage back as soon as he gets home from a match, then does it again the next day, “just to see what I can do better”. He is a keen student of the game and is constantly looking at where he can improve.
He may prove unpopular with the other players asking, "Please Sir, can we have some more homework?"
Post by: Jimsta on July 13, 2024, 08:06:50 PM
I'm Sure he look after Kamara spot until he fit again then we start seeing Onana full potential.
Well done to the Villa team getting him as the last time we was linked all the big clubs was after him thinking we lost out, But Emery once again has worked his magic.
Post by: Tuscans on July 13, 2024, 08:21:23 PM
"I’ve said it plenty, Onana is a fine player but it’s his lack of application that’s his problem. It’s what makes him a sellable asset, a player we can sell and reinvest without weakening the team. It’s nothing to do with where he plays, he’s unreliable and that’s why he found himself on the bench at times.
When you see him go down injured and teammates surround him convincing him to stay on the pitch, when you read about him asking to come off at half-time in games you understand the issue. Now consider Branthwaite’s application.
I had big hopes for him last season but he was so disappointing. I have absolutely no issue with him leaving but we need an effective replacement".
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2024, 09:15:13 PM
Post by: Tuscans on July 13, 2024, 09:21:39 PM
As we fucked around the arse end of the table getting battering after battering until Nas pulled the plug on carpet head at Fulham, we could have made similar comments about most of our players. Lack of application, unreliable etc.No that's true. Let's see what he performs like at a club on a different trajectory.
Post by: VillaTim on July 13, 2024, 09:24:02 PM
I'm very happy with this he's a very good player.x 2
Post by: Dave on July 13, 2024, 09:24:22 PM
As we fucked around the arse end of the table getting battering after battering until Nas pulled the plug on carpet head at Fulham, we could have made similar comments about most of our players. Lack of application, unreliable etc.
It's also pretty much word-for-word what Leicester fans were saying about Tielemans and how much they were glad to be rid of him.
If the only real complaint they have about Onana is that he couldn't really be arsed to put a shift in for Sean Dyche, I'm pretty sure that's not a complaint we'll have with him here and his effort for Emery.
Post by: VillaTim on July 13, 2024, 09:26:35 PM
Sounds a fair deal.
Post by: Tuscans on July 13, 2024, 09:27:05 PM
Post by: Dave on July 13, 2024, 09:29:21 PM
Feels like this is Monchis' N'Zonzi signing.
Very good comparison, that.
Post by: VillaTim on July 13, 2024, 09:30:14 PM
Feels like this is Monchis' N'Zonzi signing.N'Zonzi is a fine player so hopefully .
Post by: Jimsta on July 13, 2024, 09:47:00 PM
Great view of Onana from a Everton fan.
https://www.youtube.com/live/VayfMl0e0O0?si=AxbsYapfPp3sFR7d
Post by: Legion on July 13, 2024, 10:12:16 PM
Post by: Tuscans on July 13, 2024, 10:14:35 PM
For a moment I thought we'd signed the Manchester United GK as back-up to Martinez.Whats his name?
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 13, 2024, 10:34:45 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 13, 2024, 11:34:28 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2024, 03:38:41 AM
https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/OZaUyvFIdUqdXtw1sgjdjw/Show/Amadou-Onana-Transfer-News-Why-Aston-Villa-are-spending-big-on-Everton-star (https://www.whoscored.com/Articles/OZaUyvFIdUqdXtw1sgjdjw/Show/Amadou-Onana-Transfer-News-Why-Aston-Villa-are-spending-big-on-Everton-star)
“Off the, ball he'll help provide the ideal defensive shield for this Villa backline. Indeed, only Lewis Dobbin (3.6) - who himself has moved to Villa Park - and Idrissa Gueye (3.5) made more tackles per 90 than Onana (3.1) of all Everton players in the Premier League last season, the latter mustering a solid 77.2% tackle success rate.”
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2024, 12:25:52 PM
For a moment I thought we'd signed the Manchester United GK as back-up to Martinez.Whats his name?
He's f-ing with a slip of a man
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 15, 2024, 12:39:37 PM
Post by: cdward on July 15, 2024, 02:34:32 PM
My view on him is he’s got a lot of great attributes that we lack a bit of now, but he’s also got great potential for growth as well.He's already 6ft 6in!
Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2024, 06:30:28 PM
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Aston Villa are set to complete a club record £50 million deal for Everton midfielder Amadou Onana this weekend.
The Belgium international will undergo a medical at Villa’s Bodymoor Heath training ground after returning from a short break following his involvement in Euro 2024.
Onana, 22, will sign a long-term contract of at least five years to become a major summer signing for Unai Emery, as Villa prepare for the Champions League this season.
It is understood that all the financial details of the transfer have now been agreed with Everton to end his two-year association with the Merseyside club.
Villa have moved for Onana – a priority target for Emery – after removing any fears over breaching the Premier League’s financial controls with the sale of Douglas Luiz to Juventus before June 30.
Onana’s move will be completed in time before Villa’s pre-season tour of the United States this month, where the club will play matches against Columbus Crew, RB Leipzig and Club America.
Villa have already made a busy start to the transfer window, recruiting Ian Maatsen, Ross Barkley, Samuel Iling Junior, Enzo Barrenechea and Lewis Dobbin.
Jaden Philogene is also set to complete his £13.5 million move back to Villa in the next 24 hours after Villa triggered a “matching rights” option.
The 22-year-old was one of the stars of the Championship last season, scoring 12 goals in 32 games for Hull as the club fell just short of the play-off places.
Villa are in talks with Saudi Arabian club Al-Ittihad over a deal to sell winger Moussa Diaby.
The £35 million signing from Bayer Leverkusen has been a long-term target for clubs in Saudi Arabia and is expected to leave after just one season, though it is understood any transfer is not imminent as Villa work on finding a replacement.
Villa’s move for Onana means Manchester United’s hopes of signing Everton defender Jarrad Branthwaite are fading. United have had two bids worth £43 million and £50 million respectively rejected by Everton but the club are on the verge of signing Lille’s Leny Yoro.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2024, 06:37:01 PM
Add his one to the Dutch guy who played around 10 mins and the huge list of previous ones
Post by: AV84 on July 17, 2024, 06:49:09 PM
Post by: Dave on July 17, 2024, 06:57:37 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2024, 07:06:22 PM
Did he play much during the Euros?
Started every game
Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2024, 07:07:53 PM
Did he play much during the Euros?
Started every game
I think he played every minute, as well.
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2024, 07:10:55 PM
Cannot believe how redfilth get thier pants pulled down so easily with huge fees for pretty average players.And Percy is wrong about being on the verge of signing Yoro. He’s been told by Real to sit tight as they can sign him for nothing in January.
Add his one to the Dutch guy who played around 10 mins and the huge list of previous ones
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2024, 07:11:59 PM
Did he play much during the Euros?Did you watch much during the Euros?😂
Post by: rougegorge on July 17, 2024, 07:14:42 PM
In fairness, whilst he did play much, he didn't do much.Did he play much during the Euros?Did you watch much during the Euros?😂
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 17, 2024, 07:15:15 PM
Cannot believe how redfilth get thier pants pulled down so easily with huge fees for pretty average players.And Percy is wrong about being on the verge of signing Yoro. He’s been told by Real to sit tight as they can sign him for nothing in January.
Add his one to the Dutch guy who played around 10 mins and the huge list of previous ones
He’s having his medical at Manure according to SSN. So he’s not sitting very tight.
Post by: brontebilly on July 18, 2024, 12:01:36 AM
Chuffed if we get him. As I said when Dougie left, if we buy Onana we’ve upgraded midfield.
The same Onana who spent a good time on Everton's bench is an upgrade on Douglas Luiz...the jilted lover vibes are very strong.
The quoted fee seems crazy* for a player who promised far more than he delivered at Everton. Yes, he's young, talented and "wait until Emery coaches him" but come on. Dycheball or not, he should be more than capable of outshining likes of James Garner, Gueye and Doucoure on a regular basis.
*All transfer fees agreed between Villa and Everton this summer are a bit suspect
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 18, 2024, 12:49:58 AM
Post by: adrenachrome on July 18, 2024, 01:25:49 AM
Chuffed if we get him. As I said when Dougie left, if we buy Onana we’ve upgraded midfield.
The same Onana who spent a good time on Everton's bench is an upgrade on Douglas Luiz...the jilted lover vibes are very strong.
The quoted fee seems crazy* for a player who promised far more than he delivered at Everton. Yes, he's young, talented and "wait until Emery coaches him" but come on. Dycheball or not, he should be more than capable of outshining likes of James Garner, Gueye and Doucoure on a regular basis.
*All transfer fees agreed between Villa and Everton this summer are a bit suspect
"Dycheball or not," is doing a lot of heavy lifting in this post, Bronte.
Unai knows a baller when he sees one, and Dyche has always had more pressing concerns.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2024, 01:29:47 AM
Chuffed if we get him. As I said when Dougie left, if we buy Onana we’ve upgraded midfield.
The same Onana who spent a good time on Everton's bench is an upgrade on Douglas Luiz...the jilted lover vibes are very strong.
Absolute rubbish, as usual. Automatic choice in Belgium’s midfield, more powerful and athletic than Dougie, able to cover a vital position til Kamara comes back, addresses a weakness in defending set-pieces, and still a couple of years younger than Dougie was before he started performing well.
Post by: PeterWithe on July 18, 2024, 08:41:57 AM
Post by: Monty on July 18, 2024, 09:01:23 AM
Chuffed if we get him. As I said when Dougie left, if we buy Onana we’ve upgraded midfield.
The same Onana who spent a good time on Everton's bench is an upgrade on Douglas Luiz...the jilted lover vibes are very strong.
The quoted fee seems crazy* for a player who promised far more than he delivered at Everton. Yes, he's young, talented and "wait until Emery coaches him" but come on. Dycheball or not, he should be more than capable of outshining likes of James Garner, Gueye and Doucoure on a regular basis.
*All transfer fees agreed between Villa and Everton this summer are a bit suspect
Suspect this post would be better off not vibe-checking others! 8)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2024, 09:13:27 AM
Are they at all similar? Dougie was a tempo setter, a technician with a range of passing Ive not seen since Sid, from what I’ve seen of Onana, his attributes are different, he’s an up and down athlete isn’t he?
Not for the first few seasons, he wasn't.
We only really saw what you're describing there from the arrival of UE through to halfway through last season (I know, I know, Kamara injury changing requirements of him, but even so, injuries happen).
I like Dougie, I like that sort of player, I wish he'd have stayed, but I do think we sometimes forget, it wasn't really until Emery arrived that he started properly looking the part with any consistency
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 18, 2024, 09:26:28 AM
Wot paulie said!Are they at all similar? Dougie was a tempo setter, a technician with a range of passing Ive not seen since Sid, from what I’ve seen of Onana, his attributes are different, he’s an up and down athlete isn’t he?
Not for the first few seasons, he wasn't.
We only really saw what you're describing there from the arrival of UE through to halfway through last season (I know, I know, Kamara injury changing requirements of him, but even so, injuries happen).
I like Dougie, I like that sort of player, I wish he'd have stayed, but I do think we sometimes forget, it wasn't really until Emery arrived that he started properly looking the part with any consistency
Post by: Mister E on July 18, 2024, 09:37:25 AM
Agree, Paulie, and I'd add that the shape of the squad is changing: perhaps Tielemans and Barkley are now seen as the pace-setter / pass-maker players.Are they at all similar? Dougie was a tempo setter, a technician with a range of passing Ive not seen since Sid, from what I’ve seen of Onana, his attributes are different, he’s an up and down athlete isn’t he?Not for the first few seasons, he wasn't.
We only really saw what you're describing there from the arrival of UE through to halfway through last season (I know, I know, Kamara injury changing requirements of him, but even so, injuries happen).
I like Dougie, I like that sort of player, I wish he'd have stayed, but I do think we sometimes forget, it wasn't really until Emery arrived that he started properly looking the part with any consistency
Post by: PeterWithe on July 18, 2024, 09:45:45 AM
Anyroad, the point was that he and Onana may play in Central Midfield but they are not similar players.
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2024, 09:53:57 AM
In fairness, whilst he did play much, he didn't do much.Did he play much during the Euros?Did you watch much during the Euros?😂
His most memorable moment was in a post-match interview when he switched accent from natural to semi-Cockney in a flash.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2024, 09:56:04 AM
In fairness, whilst he did play much, he didn't do much.Did he play much during the Euros?Did you watch much during the Euros?😂
His most memorable moment was in a post-match interview when he switched accent from natural to semi-Cockney in a flash.
That was pretty remarkable.
Not just cockney, either, modern, urban cockney (which seems to be spoke by everyone under the age of 20 these days, cockney or not).
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2024, 09:56:13 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2024, 09:59:44 AM
The same Onana who spent a good time on Everton's bench is an upgrade on Douglas Luiz...the jilted lover vibes are very strong.
The quoted fee seems crazy* for a player who promised far more than he delivered at Everton. Yes, he's young, talented and "wait until Emery coaches him" but come on. Dycheball or not, he should be more than capable of outshining likes of James Garner, Gueye and Doucoure on a regular basis.
Player ratings v West Ham.
Onana 2/10
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2024, 10:36:39 AM
The second half of last season Luiz wasn't very good at all. After Kamara's injury he should have been able to step up his game, but didn't, quite the reverse.
I never really get that argument. He did drop-off no doubt, but Kamara performed a very different role to Luiz which then Luiz was left trying to cover. Instead of being able to do what he did well, he needed to cover a role he wasn’t best suited to. It’s not that surprising he didn’t excel..
Post by: Monty on July 18, 2024, 10:39:33 AM
Post by: ian c. on July 18, 2024, 10:55:45 AM
The same Onana who spent a good time on Everton's bench is an upgrade on Douglas Luiz...the jilted lover vibes are very strong.
The quoted fee seems crazy* for a player who promised far more than he delivered at Everton. Yes, he's young, talented and "wait until Emery coaches him" but come on. Dycheball or not, he should be more than capable of outshining likes of James Garner, Gueye and Doucoure on a regular basis.
Player ratings v West Ham.
Onana 2/10
If Bronte's ratings for the team average 4/10 over the course of the season we will have won the league at a canter.
Post by: Somniloquism on July 18, 2024, 10:56:50 AM
Yeah, I think that's quite unfair! If you're moving a fridge and the other guy drops out, should you be able to 'up your game'? Luiz was left doing two different roles on empty, one of which he was totally unsuited to. He did play less well, and I do think Onana might well be an upgrade, but I think that's not a fair assessment.
People do realise that other people were also played in that role as well don't they. Luiz wasn't expected to solely cover the Kamara role AND do his own role, however him not having Kamara there meant his faults were more obvious as he didn't have the backup cover. However it was very obvious when Luiz missed the two matches that his performances were getting below par. The same Kamara was missing yet out midfield was the best it had been for months. He comes back in and the team performance dropped again. Personally I think it was a rare mistake by Emery to drop Luiz straight back in although later injuries forced his hand again.
Post by: Monty on July 18, 2024, 10:58:24 AM
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2024, 11:00:05 AM
Yeah, I think that's quite unfair! If you're moving a fridge and the other guy drops out, should you be able to 'up your game'? Luiz was left doing two different roles on empty, one of which he was totally unsuited to. He did play less well, and I do think Onana might well be an upgrade, but I think that's not a fair assessment.
"Totally unsuited to." He came to us as a defensive midfielder, and has played that position absolutely loads, in fact for almost half of all games in his career.
Post by: Somniloquism on July 18, 2024, 11:00:06 AM
Tielemans and McGinn were never suited to playing in the midfield two, let alone alongside a player much more regarded as a playmaker. Luiz was doing a role and a half at least, in a very uneasy compromise to cover for injuries and tiredness.
The Arsenal and Bournemouth performances beg to differ.
Post by: Monty on July 18, 2024, 11:01:55 AM
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2024, 11:09:29 AM
Post by: Monty on July 18, 2024, 11:11:06 AM
We had nobody in the squad to replace Kamara, and it showed. We also had nobody to replace Luiz, and it showed.
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2024, 11:11:31 AM
Luiz has always been better on the ball than off it, I'm not sure he was ever a defensive midfielder.
Post by: Monty on July 18, 2024, 11:12:49 AM
"Defensive midfield" is too clearcut a description for a central midfielder who doesn't play behind the strikers and also sounds outmoded in 2024 when the best midfielders have a bit of everything in their game and in combination with their teammates, are fluid with the spaces they occupy.
Luiz has always been better on the ball than off it, I'm not sure he was ever a defensive midfielder.
Which is why I prefer 'deep-lying', as any position map tells you that's the case.
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2024, 11:15:41 AM
It's nonsense to expect attacking midfielders to drop in deep and not have the partner pick up the slack.
We had nobody in the squad to replace Kamara, and it showed. We also had nobody to replace Luiz, and it showed.
Tielemans, McGinn? Tielemans has got everything that Luiz has in his game, and more.
Post by: Rigadon on July 18, 2024, 11:15:47 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 18, 2024, 12:13:23 PM
Chuffed if we get him. As I said when Dougie left, if we buy Onana we’ve upgraded midfield.
The same Onana who spent a good time on Everton's bench is an upgrade on Douglas Luiz...the jilted lover vibes are very strong.
The quoted fee seems crazy* for a player who promised far more than he delivered at Everton. Yes, he's young, talented and "wait until Emery coaches him" but come on. Dycheball or not, he should be more than capable of outshining likes of James Garner, Gueye and Doucoure on a regular basis.
*All transfer fees agreed between Villa and Everton this summer are a bit suspect
When you look at him with Belgium, he is a player that likes the ball at his feet & to be able to pass the ball to a team mate on the deck. His passing percentages suggest he is pretty good at it too. That cant happen often enough in a club run by the likes of Dyche. So with that in mind, I nave no doubt that he probably dropped a level at Everton, albeit, the stats that I posted earlier in the thread that compared him & Kamara suggest otherwise.
But I don't personally think he is better than Douglas Luiz when Luiz was on top form. Onana does not have Douglas Luiz ability to run with the ball for example, but I think that Onanas ability to play in the 6 or the 8 equally well mean that we wont get that big drop off when he has to cover for Kamara, like happened with Douglas Luiz.
And if rumours of bids refused for the likes of Guendouzi, Merino, etc, are anything to go by, Onana might not be Douglas Luiz actual replacement.
Post by: PeterWithe on July 18, 2024, 12:23:31 PM
From what little I've seen, Onana is much stronger off the ball and still has a good range of passing. Plus he's good in the air which will help us to concede less / score more from set pieces. I'm hoping he is a better fit for our midfield than Luiz.
Hmmm, if I was in the mood for an argument I’d mention that Duggie was a perfect fit for our midfield, hence us vastly over achieving and finishing 4th and a semi final.
Post by: Dave on July 18, 2024, 12:27:28 PM
From what little I've seen, Onana is much stronger off the ball and still has a good range of passing. Plus he's good in the air which will help us to concede less / score more from set pieces. I'm hoping he is a better fit for our midfield than Luiz.
Hmmm, if I was in the mood for an argument I’d mention that Duggie was a perfect fit for our midfield, hence us vastly over achieving and finishing 4th and a semi final.
I guess the proof / pudding / eating of that will be when we see how well Onana does in comparison. Onana is definitely more the style of midfielder Emery likes in that position.
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 18, 2024, 12:28:47 PM
Agree, before it got disrupted our midfield was functioning brilliantly.From what little I've seen, Onana is much stronger off the ball and still has a good range of passing. Plus he's good in the air which will help us to concede less / score more from set pieces. I'm hoping he is a better fit for our midfield than Luiz.
Hmmm, if I was in the mood for an argument I’d mention that Duggie was a perfect fit for our midfield, hence us vastly over achieving and finishing 4th and a semi final.
Post by: Ian. on July 18, 2024, 01:35:35 PM
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2024, 05:28:17 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 18, 2024, 05:30:59 PM
If somebody normally so positive as Bronte is down on Onana, then we're probably struggling. I've asked Levico what he thinks to try and lift the mood, but unfortunately I have to report that he says we'll get beat 3-0. Troubling times.
I hate to see you so down, maybe BC Villain will talk up our chances.
Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2024, 05:36:22 PM
It's nonsense to expect attacking midfielders to drop in deep and not have the partner pick up the slack.
We had nobody in the squad to replace Kamara, and it showed. We also had nobody to replace Luiz, and it showed.
Tielemans, McGinn? Tielemans has got everything that Luiz has in his game, and more.
I fully agree, and he's only 12 months older and vastly more experienced in European football.
Post by: Tuscans on July 18, 2024, 05:46:31 PM
If all goes to plan, Onana will sign his contract as new Aston Villa player on Monday.
Everton receive £50m plus sell-on clause and add-ons, as reported last week.
Here we go, confirmed. ✅🇧🇪
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2024, 07:33:09 AM
It's nonsense to expect attacking midfielders to drop in deep and not have the partner pick up the slack.
We had nobody in the squad to replace Kamara, and it showed. We also had nobody to replace Luiz, and it showed.
Tielemans, McGinn? Tielemans has got everything that Luiz has in his game, and more.
I hope you’re right on this. Personally, I’d pick Luiz over Tieleman every day of the week.
Post by: Rigadon on July 19, 2024, 08:19:36 AM
From what little I've seen, Onana is much stronger off the ball and still has a good range of passing. Plus he's good in the air which will help us to concede less / score more from set pieces. I'm hoping he is a better fit for our midfield than Luiz.
Hmmm, if I was in the mood for an argument I’d mention that Duggie was a perfect fit for our midfield, hence us vastly over achieving and finishing 4th and a semi final.
I guess the proof / pudding / eating of that will be when we see how well Onana does in comparison. Onana is definitely more the style of midfielder Emery likes in that position.
Absolutely. I just have a good feeling about this one.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2024, 09:17:02 AM
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2024, 09:19:42 AM
https://insidefutbol.com/2024/07/19/man-utd-made-last-minute-hijack-for-aston-villa-bound-star-but-he-had-given-his-word/652604/
Lol. "... but he'd given his word" is a new one.
Post by: Villafirst on July 19, 2024, 09:31:40 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2024, 09:37:33 AM
Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2024, 10:06:10 AM
Chuffed if we get him. As I said when Dougie left, if we buy Onana we’ve upgraded midfield.
And if rumours of bids refused for the likes of Guendouzi, Merino, etc, are anything to go by, Onana might not be Douglas Luiz actual replacement.
Really? I'm not sure how we need more than Kamara, the Baron, Barkley, Onana, Tielemans, even McGinn and the Donk (I know he's surplus but we're still paying him) for the non-attacking/deep-lying midfield roles to be honest...
Post by: mrfuse on July 19, 2024, 10:36:06 AM
Typical Manure tried to hijack the deal. Onana must want to play Champions League football!
I really hope there is some truth in this. I'm already sick to death of the Media love in with Man utd in this transfer window.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 19, 2024, 10:36:23 AM
The fact that he has turned them down is fucking poetry...
Beautiful!
And if rumours of bids refused for the likes of Guendouzi, Merino, etc, are anything to go by, Onana might not be Douglas Luiz actual replacement.
Really? I'm not sure how we need more than Kamara, the Baron, Barkley, Onana, Tielemans, even McGinn and the Donk (I know he's surplus but we're still paying him) for the non-attacking/deep-lying midfield roles to be honest...
Yeah, I think there would be a lot of bodies if we do pick up another after Onana, unless we are planning on moving somebody else as well as Dendoncker on, but I have read quite a few reports about the likes of Guendouzi & Merino.
Post by: Mister E on July 19, 2024, 11:34:20 AM
In the same way, Onana and Kamara are not duplicates: they each offer something a little different and - when the latter is fit - could play in games together where Emery wants a double-pivot ahead of the defence.
Furthermore, having the choice of players in McGinn, Ramsey, Tielemans, Barrenechea, Buendia, I-J and Rogers ahead of the deep-lying MF is pretty awesome.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 19, 2024, 11:40:30 AM
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 19, 2024, 12:20:07 PM
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2024, 12:35:38 PM
After the signings they’ve made already, surely Yanited can’t afford both Branthwaite and Onana, unless they are about to have a fire sale?
They're demanding £40m for McTominay *sniggers*
Post by: Drummond on July 19, 2024, 12:36:43 PM
If they are linked with him then he must be crap. Avoid.
Nah, they're linked after the event, which makes him good.
Post by: Somniloquism on July 19, 2024, 12:40:44 PM
"The ball is with Onana, he plays it to Onana who passes it back to Onana. Oh Onana has been tackled, the attacker is bearing down on Onana whilst Onana is trying to get back. And it's a goal, Onana didn't save it, although it seems to have taken a wicked deflection off Onana, hit the bar, hit Onana on the back and went over the line, despite Onana trying to get back to prevent it."
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 19, 2024, 02:29:31 PM
Not because "he gave his word" to SUE.
This would signal significant progress from recent years where we spent the pre-season period negotiating terms with possible signing with real promise, only for Man United and others to step in at the last minute ... saving them the hassle of due diligence, and related transfer admin.
And yes, 'Sir Jim' and the client journalists that trot out whatever he wants is really dull. UTV
Post by: villadelph on July 19, 2024, 02:35:19 PM
Post by: AV82EC on July 19, 2024, 02:38:03 PM
Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2024, 02:41:07 PM
After the signings they’ve made already, surely Yanited can’t afford both Branthwaite and Onana, unless they are about to have a fire sale?
They're demanding £40m for McTominay *sniggers*
They need David Moyes to find a new club for this to happen.
Post by: brontebilly on July 19, 2024, 04:17:37 PM
It's nonsense to expect attacking midfielders to drop in deep and not have the partner pick up the slack.
We had nobody in the squad to replace Kamara, and it showed. We also had nobody to replace Luiz, and it showed.
Tielemans, McGinn? Tielemans has got everything that Luiz has in his game, and more.
Take a read through some of your posts on Tielemans last season, the world's oldest 26 year old? He was rubbish for a lot of the season, when Luiz was carrying our midfield. There's a reason Emery pushed him higher up the pitch, he doesn't have the legs to play a midfield two.
Instead of Luiz and Kamara, given he seems like he will be out for most of the season, we have got in Ross Barkley, who bombed spectacularly with us before, and Onana who sat a lot on Everton's bench. Unless Emery is truly a magician that is a massive downgrade in quality. Luiz/Kamara as a pair were simply outstanding.
Post by: Monty on July 19, 2024, 04:23:28 PM
It's nonsense to expect attacking midfielders to drop in deep and not have the partner pick up the slack.
We had nobody in the squad to replace Kamara, and it showed. We also had nobody to replace Luiz, and it showed.
Tielemans, McGinn? Tielemans has got everything that Luiz has in his game, and more.
Take a read through some of your posts on Tielemans last season, the world's oldest 26 year old? He was rubbish for a lot of the season, when Luiz was carrying our midfield. There's a reason Emery pushed him higher up the pitch, he doesn't have the legs to play a midfield two.
Instead of Luiz and Kamara, given he seems like he will be out for most of the season, we have got in Ross Barkley, who bombed spectacularly with us before, and Onana who sat a lot on Everton's bench. Unless Emery is truly a magician that is a massive downgrade in quality. Luiz/Kamara as a pair were simply outstanding.
Tielemans is a different player to Luiz, does the deep-lying stuff much less well, is happier further forward. Luiz is more of a tempo-setter, a player type that I love, but when he was forced into the dirty-work role of Kamara while also being the guy who automatically would conduct the moves in the middle it was too much for him. As a partnership, however, they were tremendous.
Your scepticism about Onana, though, is just wilful at this stage, come on. He was Belgium's most reliable player in the Euros, and Everton's best player for most of the season. He's also a young player. This is a tremendous signing, and a probable upgrade.
Post by: Rigadon on July 19, 2024, 04:35:33 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 19, 2024, 04:37:01 PM
Onana has the same ball winning qualities of Kamara and can play a range of passes like Luiz. The more I think about it, the more I like the signing.
The sort of flexibility that Emery loves!
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 19, 2024, 04:37:39 PM
Onana has the same ball winning qualities of Kamara and can play a range of passes like Luiz. The more I think about it, the more I like the signing.
I am very excited about the deal...
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 19, 2024, 04:40:30 PM
Onana has the same ball winning qualities of Kamara and can play a range of passes like Luiz. The more I think about it, the more I like the signing.
I am very excited about the deal...
I'm so excited, I'm already an Onanist.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 19, 2024, 05:04:01 PM
It's nonsense to expect attacking midfielders to drop in deep and not have the partner pick up the slack.
We had nobody in the squad to replace Kamara, and it showed. We also had nobody to replace Luiz, and it showed.
Tielemans, McGinn? Tielemans has got everything that Luiz has in his game, and more.
Take a read through some of your posts on Tielemans last season, the world's oldest 26 year old? He was rubbish for a lot of the season, when Luiz was carrying our midfield. There's a reason Emery pushed him higher up the pitch, he doesn't have the legs to play a midfield two.
Instead of Luiz and Kamara, given he seems like he will be out for most of the season, we have got in Ross Barkley, who bombed spectacularly with us before, and Onana who sat a lot on Everton's bench. Unless Emery is truly a magician that is a massive downgrade in quality. Luiz/Kamara as a pair were simply outstanding.
Tielemans is a different player to Luiz, does the deep-lying stuff much less well, is happier further forward. Luiz is more of a tempo-setter, a player type that I love, but when he was forced into the dirty-work role of Kamara while also being the guy who automatically would conduct the moves in the middle it was too much for him. As a partnership, however, they were tremendous.
I remember Tielemans playing in front of 2 CM's and much preferring it. Don't think it happened much though due to injuries.
Post by: olaftab on July 19, 2024, 07:58:10 PM
The commentators would have had a nightmare.Are you ok?
"The ball is with Onana, he plays it to Onana who passes it back to Onana. Oh Onana has been tackled, the attacker is bearing down on Onana whilst Onana is trying to get back. And it's a goal, Onana didn't save it, although it seems to have taken a wicked deflection off Onana, hit the bar, hit Onana on the back and went over the line, despite Onana trying to get back to prevent it."
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on July 19, 2024, 08:14:52 PM
Onana has the same ball winning qualities of Kamara and can play a range of passes like Luiz. The more I think about it, the more I like the signing.
I am very excited about the deal...
I'm so excited, I'm already an Onanist.
Yep I’m wanking over it to.
Post by: Martyn Smith on July 19, 2024, 08:28:44 PM
It's nonsense to expect attacking midfielders to drop in deep and not have the partner pick up the slack.
We had nobody in the squad to replace Kamara, and it showed. We also had nobody to replace Luiz, and it showed.
Tielemans, McGinn? Tielemans has got everything that Luiz has in his game, and more.
Take a read through some of your posts on Tielemans last season, the world's oldest 26 year old? He was rubbish for a lot of the season, when Luiz was carrying our midfield. There's a reason Emery pushed him higher up the pitch, he doesn't have the legs to play a midfield two.
Instead of Luiz and Kamara, given he seems like he will be out for most of the season, we have got in Ross Barkley, who bombed spectacularly with us before, and Onana who sat a lot on Everton's bench. Unless Emery is truly a magician that is a massive downgrade in quality. Luiz/Kamara as a pair were simply outstanding.
Tielemans is a different player to Luiz, does the deep-lying stuff much less well, is happier further forward. Luiz is more of a tempo-setter, a player type that I love, but when he was forced into the dirty-work role of Kamara while also being the guy who automatically would conduct the moves in the middle it was too much for him. As a partnership, however, they were tremendous.
Your scepticism about Onana, though, is just wilful at this stage, come on. He was Belgium's most reliable player in the Euros, and Everton's best player for most of the season. He's also a young player. This is a tremendous signing, and a probable upgrade.
Everton fans are reportedly delighted to be getting shot of him for a big chunk of cash. But that could be just churlishness about a player of theirs being courted by a better team
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2024, 08:33:52 PM
Post by: Risso on July 19, 2024, 08:40:33 PM
Everton fans are reportedly delighted to be getting shot of him for a big chunk of cash. But that could be just churlishness about a player of theirs being courted by a better team
My best mate/business partner is a massive Everton fan, and is generally quite a good judge of a player. He reckons Onana is going to be brilliant for us, playing under one of the world's best managers in Unai, rather than a relic like Dyche.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 19, 2024, 08:50:02 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on July 19, 2024, 09:05:21 PM
Everton fans are reportedly delighted to be getting shot of him for a big chunk of cash. But that could be just churlishness about a player of theirs being courted by a better team
My best mate/business partner is a massive Everton fan, and is generally quite a good judge of a player. He reckons Onana is going to be brilliant for us, playing under one of the world's best managers in Unai, rather than a relic like Dyche.
I think there's a lot to that. Dyche is meat and potatoes, which is all very well for a club like Burnley whose ambition doesn't seriously extend beyond getting into and staying in the Prem. But flair players like Onana are always going to struggle to produce their best under a regime like that
Post by: rougegorge on July 19, 2024, 09:25:44 PM
I think if we were Everton fans, it wouldn't be a surprise if a good number of us would feel the same as them.Everton fans are reportedly delighted to be getting shot of him for a big chunk of cash. But that could be just churlishness about a player of theirs being courted by a better team
My best mate/business partner is a massive Everton fan, and is generally quite a good judge of a player. He reckons Onana is going to be brilliant for us, playing under one of the world's best managers in Unai, rather than a relic like Dyche.
I think there's a lot to that. Dyche is meat and potatoes, which is all very well for a club like Burnley whose ambition doesn't seriously extend beyond getting into and staying in the Prem. But flair players like Onana are always going to struggle to produce their best under a regime like that
Although the system and style can stifle, good players still stand out and I don't think he didn't consistently did that.
However, there must be something in him to have generated interest from not just us, but other clubs. I trust that Unai can bring out the best in him as he has certainly improved players for us.
Post by: Drummond on July 19, 2024, 10:29:36 PM
The commentators would have had a nightmare.Are you ok?
"The ball is with Onana, he plays it to Onana who passes it back to Onana. Oh Onana has been tackled, the attacker is bearing down on Onana whilst Onana is trying to get back. And it's a goal, Onana didn't save it, although it seems to have taken a wicked deflection off Onana, hit the bar, hit Onana on the back and went over the line, despite Onana trying to get back to prevent it."
Oh, nah, nah not at all.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 19, 2024, 11:12:47 PM
Onana has the same ball winning qualities of Kamara and can play a range of passes like Luiz. The more I think about it, the more I like the signing.
I am very excited about the deal...
I'm so excited, I'm already an Onanist.
Well, pace yourself or you’ll not get to see him play!
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 19, 2024, 11:30:34 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 19, 2024, 11:59:16 PM
One contributor, Joe Thomas of the Liverpool Echo, is convinced he’s an £80m player, and another one is absolutely fuming they’re selling so cheap.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2024, 12:16:11 AM
I listen to the Blue Room & Royal Blue (Everton) podcasts every week, because the lads are articulate, intelligent and balanced. Several of the contributors are sanguine about it, and while disappointed, Onana is their preferred sale if one is needed to keep hold of Branthwaite, Pickford and Calvert-Lewin.
One contributor, Joe Thomas of the Liverpool Echo, is convinced he’s an £80m player, and another one is absolutely fuming they’re selling so cheap.
I think Calvert-Lewin has to prove himself this season, I'm surprised they wouldn't rather him go considering his injury record. Guess it's the problem of who they could bring in.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 20, 2024, 07:28:03 AM
I listen to the Blue Room & Royal Blue (Everton) podcasts every week, because the lads are articulate, intelligent and balanced. Several of the contributors are sanguine about it, and while disappointed, Onana is their preferred sale if one is needed to keep hold of Branthwaite, Pickford and Calvert-Lewin.
One contributor, Joe Thomas of the Liverpool Echo, is convinced he’s an £80m player, and another one is absolutely fuming they’re selling so cheap.
I think Calvert-Lewin has to prove himself this season, I'm surprised they wouldn't rather him go considering his injury record. Guess it's the problem of who they could bring in.
He’s got 12 months left, which they think means they wouldn’t get true value for him. They seem resigned to him leaving for nothing next year, but content as long as he helps them stay in the PL for the first season at the new ground,
Post by: Risso on July 20, 2024, 07:58:29 AM
He’s got 12 months left, which they think means they wouldn’t get true value for him. They seem resigned to him leaving for nothing next year, but content as long as he helps them stay in the PL for the first season at the new ground,
I passed their new ground on the way to and from the Isle of Man on the ferry last week. It looks very impressive, and is in a great location on the banks of the Mersey.
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 20, 2024, 08:30:02 AM
I listen to the Blue Room & Royal Blue (Everton) podcasts every week, because the lads are articulate, intelligent and balanced. Several of the contributors are sanguine about it, and while disappointed, Onana is their preferred sale if one is needed to keep hold of Branthwaite, Pickford and Calvert-Lewin.
One contributor, Joe Thomas of the Liverpool Echo, is convinced he’s an £80m player, and another one is absolutely fuming they’re selling so cheap.
Might be similar to the fact that Luiz would be a preferred sale over Martinez, Watkins and Pau for a lot of us. A brilliant midfielder but replaceable. Especially when Onana has spent a season watching the ball sail over his head for 90% of the match under Dyche.
Post by: kipeye on July 20, 2024, 08:51:21 AM
Onana na na, hey hey, goodbye...The commentators would have had a nightmare.Are you ok?
"The ball is with Onana, he plays it to Onana who passes it back to Onana. Oh Onana has been tackled, the attacker is bearing down on Onana whilst Onana is trying to get back. And it's a goal, Onana didn't save it, although it seems to have taken a wicked deflection off Onana, hit the bar, hit Onana on the back and went over the line, despite Onana trying to get back to prevent it."
Oh, nah, nah not at all.
Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2024, 06:06:37 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 20, 2024, 11:08:34 PM
I listen to the Blue Room & Royal Blue (Everton) podcasts every week, because the lads are articulate, intelligent and balanced. Several of the contributors are sanguine about it, and while disappointed, Onana is their preferred sale if one is needed to keep hold of Branthwaite, Pickford and Calvert-Lewin.
One contributor, Joe Thomas of the Liverpool Echo, is convinced he’s an £80m player, and another one is absolutely fuming they’re selling so cheap.
Might be similar to the fact that Luiz would be a preferred sale over Martinez, Watkins and Pau for a lot of us. A brilliant midfielder but replaceable. Especially when Onana has spent a season watching the ball sail over his head for 90% of the match under Dyche.
My thoughts exactly.
Post by: darren woolley on July 21, 2024, 12:34:53 AM
Post by: Tuscans on July 21, 2024, 11:58:22 AM
Post by: Tuscans on July 21, 2024, 12:08:45 PM
I hope he signs in the next couple of days.🟣🔵🩺 Medical tests today for Amadou Onana as new Aston Villa player.
He’s expected to sign the contract on Monday, as reported. ⤵️🇧🇪
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 21, 2024, 12:30:19 PM
I hope he signs in the next couple of days.🟣🔵🩺 Medical tests today for Amadou Onana as new Aston Villa player.
He’s expected to sign the contract on Monday, as reported. ⤵️🇧🇪
Daz 'hopes', it happens.
Post by: Richard E on July 21, 2024, 12:39:11 PM
I hope he signs in the next couple of days.🟣🔵🩺 Medical tests today for Amadou Onana as new Aston Villa player.
He’s expected to sign the contract on Monday, as reported. ⤵️🇧🇪
Daz 'hopes', it happens.
Can you hope we win the quadruple without conceding a goal next, Darren?
Post by: Smithy on July 21, 2024, 03:24:33 PM
I listen to the Blue Room & Royal Blue (Everton) podcasts every week, because the lads are articulate, intelligent and balanced. Several of the contributors are sanguine about it, and while disappointed, Onana is their preferred sale if one is needed to keep hold of Branthwaite, Pickford and Calvert-Lewin.
One contributor, Joe Thomas of the Liverpool Echo, is convinced he’s an £80m player, and another one is absolutely fuming they’re selling so cheap.
I think Calvert-Lewin has to prove himself this season, I'm surprised they wouldn't rather him go considering his injury record. Guess it's the problem of who they could bring in.
It boggles the mind that people still talk about Calvert-Lewin as having 'potential' (not you, but I see others talking about how he's "potentially" a great striker). The guy is 27. He's only 18 months younger than Ollie!
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 21, 2024, 03:27:49 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 21, 2024, 03:31:06 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aritz_Aduriz
Is it too late to get Gabby out of retirement?
Post by: LeeB on July 21, 2024, 03:43:30 PM
And there was this guy who seemed to have his peak years in his mid-thirties.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aritz_Aduriz
Is it too late to get Gabby out of retirement?
That was the fella I was trying to remember when talking to my mate the other week regarding late-blooming strikers.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 21, 2024, 06:02:11 PM
Post by: olaftab on July 21, 2024, 07:46:01 PM
According to the ticker tape on Sky he’s having the longest medical in history today.He’s quite tall so there is a lot to check.
Post by: olaftab on July 21, 2024, 07:51:24 PM
Can you hope we win the quadruple without conceding a goal next, Darren?I believe it’s not becoming to address Darren directly. You maybe in violation of an unwritten site rule.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 21, 2024, 08:36:25 PM
He thinks with better footballers around him and a proper coach he could really flourish.
Interestingly considering his huge height he reckons he has a 50p head and does not use his well.
I think a mix of him, Barkley and Tielemans with Kamara to come back we will not miss Luiz
Post by: Somniloquism on July 22, 2024, 09:01:15 AM
Just had a weekend away with my Everton ST holder mate and he as full of praise for Onana but said he fell out of favour with Dyche as he was always looking to get the ball from the back to play out of the press but most of the time it was lumped over him by Pickford.
He thinks with better footballers around him and a proper coach he could really flourish.
Interestingly considering his huge height he reckons he has a 50p head and does not use his well.
I think a mix of him, Barkley and Tielemans with Kamara to come back we will not miss Luiz
For Club and Country.......
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 22, 2024, 11:16:21 AM
Post by: Tuscans on July 22, 2024, 11:18:08 AM
****Amadou Onana to Aston Villa. Here we go. Understand medical has now reached Onanas thigh area. Expected to be completed by this weekend when contracts will be examined.****Just another 4 ft to go.
Post by: Villafirst on July 22, 2024, 12:08:00 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 22, 2024, 12:46:01 PM
"A, A, A..............."
I'll get me coat
Post by: Tuscans on July 22, 2024, 02:54:17 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2024, 03:30:45 PM
https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1815393894621933770?t=SGLV-I7mIJOsW1U7LAqX8A&s=19
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2024, 03:33:02 PM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2024, 03:38:18 PM
Dressed smart as fuck too, which goes a long way with me.
A nice dark suit and crisp white shirt can be a great look, just a shame it's a double breasted jacket.
Post by: UK Redsox on July 22, 2024, 03:39:31 PM
Monchi's hands look huge
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2024, 03:39:36 PM
Dressed smart as fuck too, which goes a long way with me.
A nice dark suit and crisp white shirt can be a great look, just a shame it's a double breasted jacket.
It's the modern way I guess, my old man would approve.
Post by: Monty on July 22, 2024, 03:40:43 PM
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Post by: Drummond on July 22, 2024, 03:50:32 PM
welcome Andre. Be great
We signed a 'keeper?
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2024, 03:52:24 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2024, 03:53:23 PM
welcome Andre. Be great
We signed a 'keeper?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 22, 2024, 03:54:14 PM
Sheesh Double breasted jackets haven’t been in vogue since the early 90s (?). However as I’m about as up to date with fashion as never quite knowing if you should wear socks with loafers in warmer climes I’ll pass on this one.
They've been in vogue for a while. Just don't wear loafers at all. Lesson over.
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2024, 03:56:05 PM
Dressed smart as fuck too, which goes a long way with me.
A nice dark suit and crisp white shirt can be a great look, just a shame it's a double breasted jacket.
It's the modern way I guess, my old man would approve.
I've told you both before, absolutely nothing wrong with them. You just need to get past the idea of the 90s shiny ones worn by estate agents, recruitment consultants and other wrong 'uns. That looks to me like it might be velvet, and is very smart.
Post by: dave shelley on July 22, 2024, 03:57:02 PM
Post by: Smithy on July 22, 2024, 03:57:21 PM
So many options, and best of all, the quality of those options means we'll find it hard to field a genuinely 'weakened' team - subject to injuries, obviously.
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2024, 04:00:15 PM
So many options, and best of all, the quality of those options means we'll find it hard to field a genuinely 'weakened' team - subject to injuries, obviously.
FFS man!
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 22, 2024, 04:01:01 PM
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Post by: frank black on July 22, 2024, 04:25:25 PM
I haven’t worn one since I went to the Dome on 25th September 1991.
Everything comes back into fashion. I’m off out tonight in my T bag T shirt and pin stripe jeans.
Post by: martin o`who?? on July 22, 2024, 04:29:54 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTGNq1wW8AALhol?format=jpg&name=small)Approved.
Post by: Tuscans on July 22, 2024, 04:31:41 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2024, 04:32:09 PM
I haven’t worn one since I went to the Dome on 25th September 1991.
That's because you were young and foolish and thought it was "fashionable". Thankfully, with age comes wisdom and dress sense but sometimes, as evidenced on here, age comes alone.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2024, 04:33:57 PM
I haven’t worn one since I went to the Dome on 25th September 1991.
That's because you were young and foolish and thought it was "fashionable". Thankfully, with age comes wisdom and dress sense but sometimes, as evidenced on here, age comes alone.
We sign a new player and you're taking a dig at Percy!?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 22, 2024, 04:52:27 PM
Post by: Malandro on July 22, 2024, 05:02:56 PM
That's gotsa be AI.
Monchi's hands look huge
Are they small hands? I guarantee you there’s no problem. I guarantee you.
Post by: villadelph on July 22, 2024, 05:05:02 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on July 22, 2024, 05:11:48 PM
Post by: Tuscans on July 22, 2024, 05:12:07 PM
The squeaky kid who does these gets right on my tip.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2024, 05:15:40 PM
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Post by: Tuscans on July 22, 2024, 05:17:32 PM
Seems a likeable, level-headed chap.Nah he's so bland and predictable in his technique. He'll do well at Sky.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2024, 05:18:51 PM
Welcome, Amadou!
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2024, 05:19:45 PM
Post by: Malandro on July 22, 2024, 05:20:59 PM
I loved his answer to watch the fans can expect.."I'll let my feet do the talkin'".
Welcome, Amadou!
Also what attracted him to Aston Villa:
“The badge, I love how it’s so big! It kind of dominates that nice shirt”.
Post by: manic-road on July 22, 2024, 05:21:23 PM
Post by: Tuscans on July 22, 2024, 05:21:59 PM
:)I loved his answer to watch the fans can expect.."I'll let my feet do the talkin'".
Welcome, Amadou!
Also what attracted him to Aston Villa:
“The badge, I love how it’s so big! It kind of dominates that nice shirt”.
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Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 22, 2024, 05:29:29 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 22, 2024, 05:31:53 PM
Post by: steamer on July 22, 2024, 05:34:43 PM
So welcome and thumbs up from me.
Post by: Jimsta on July 22, 2024, 05:42:06 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on July 22, 2024, 05:45:15 PM
Seems he is only Cockney when annoyed.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 22, 2024, 05:55:42 PM
Emery and Monchi are COOKING! Still think there will be a few more exits, and wouldn't be surprised to see at least one other forward come in.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2024, 06:38:13 PM
Emery and Monchi are COOKING! Still think there will be a few more exits, and wouldn't be surprised to see at least one other forward come in.
Please don't, this is H&V not X.
Post by: jwarry on July 22, 2024, 06:40:16 PM
Great signing. We’ve wanted a strapping Viera like figure in the middle of the park for years. He fits the bill and more.
Yep and yep
Post by: Ian. on July 22, 2024, 06:50:51 PM
Post by: Tuscans on July 22, 2024, 06:52:29 PM
Stop grilling him.Emery and Monchi are COOKING! Still think there will be a few more exits, and wouldn't be surprised to see at least one other forward come in.
Please don't, this is H&V not X.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 22, 2024, 07:01:17 PM
Stop grilling him.Emery and Monchi are COOKING! Still think there will be a few more exits, and wouldn't be surprised to see at least one other forward come in.
Please don't, this is H&V not X.
Poor Nil feels like he’s been gaslighted.
Post by: olaftab on July 22, 2024, 07:30:52 PM
I think he's got the nicest teeth I've ever seen.
How come his English is so good?!Because he brushes his teeth nice and long, it helps with spitting out words.
Post by: olaftab on July 22, 2024, 07:37:20 PM
I like double breasts.Dressed smart as fuck too, which goes a long way with me.
A nice dark suit and crisp white shirt can be a great look, just a shame it's a double breasted jacket.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2024, 07:46:44 PM
Plenty of time to become an even better player than he is already.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 22, 2024, 07:58:56 PM
Was surprised (and delighted) to see that he's only 22.
Plenty of time to become an even better player than he is already.
We have paid a hefty fee for his potential. At 22 he is young for the position so there’s plenty of scope for improvement, especially once trained and coached by Emery. His ceiling is incredibly high but it could take a while to get there.
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2024, 08:01:31 PM
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on July 22, 2024, 08:13:21 PM
Please become, and remain, a Villa hero!
UTV!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2024, 08:20:28 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 22, 2024, 08:21:23 PM
Amadou, dou, dou....
No. >:(
Post by: stubbsyandy on July 22, 2024, 08:22:43 PM
Post by: Monty on July 22, 2024, 08:32:41 PM
Amadou, dou, dou....
No. >:(
Yeah extremely no.
Post by: Drummond on July 22, 2024, 08:40:20 PM
Amadou dou dou, Onana, scores two or three,
To the left, to the right, runs up and down and runs midfield,
Come and dance every night, with the Lion on the shield.....
Sorry
Post by: jwarry on July 22, 2024, 08:44:36 PM
Amadou dou dou, Onana, plays with Youri,
Amadou dou dou, Onana, scores two or three,
To the left, to the right, runs up and down and runs midfield,
Come and dance every night, with the Lion on the shield.....
Sorry
Does anybody know how to edit or delete other peoples posts?
Post by: Drummond on July 22, 2024, 08:46:29 PM
Post by: SteveN on July 22, 2024, 08:52:36 PM
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2024, 09:01:27 PM
Amadooooou, Amadooooou
(now he is here)
Its Amadoooooooooou
Post by: German James on July 22, 2024, 09:02:40 PM
FIFYAmadou dou dou, Onana, plays with Youri,
Amadou dou dou, Onana, scores two or three,
To the left, to the right, runs up and down and runs midfield,
Come and dance every night, with the Lion on the shield.....
Sorry
Does anybody know how toedit ordeleteotherpeoples posts?
Post by: PeterWithe on July 22, 2024, 09:19:31 PM
Dressed smart as fuck too, which goes a long way with me.
A nice dark suit and crisp white shirt can be a great look, just a shame it's a double breasted jacket.
Indeed, no doubt its very expensive but it just pulls out of shape in all the wrong places. Its a no from me.
Post by: Des Little on July 22, 2024, 10:17:40 PM
To the tune of Xanadu
Amadooooou, Amadooooou
(now he is here)
Its Amadoooooooooou
I came on here just to suggest this very song. You’ve ruined my evening, and possibly my week
Post by: Dogtanian on July 23, 2024, 09:33:23 AM
Doug means nothing to meeee!
Ohhh, Onana!
Post by: Risso on July 23, 2024, 09:52:55 AM
Post by: Risso on July 23, 2024, 09:55:15 AM
Onana, what's his name, Onana, what's his name?
Andre.
Post by: Smithy on July 23, 2024, 09:59:05 AM
Post by: jwarry on July 23, 2024, 10:22:19 AM
Post by: Baldy on July 23, 2024, 11:30:21 AM
'Good morning my best Aston Villa friend, how are you ? How is your health ?. I felt compelled to thank you as a villa supporter, for buying Amadou. I am honestly pleased he's gone, I didn't rate him at all. I quickly picked up on one of his faults, when the blues were up against a good team, and we were getting beat like 2-0, he would go missing. I think he never achieved the journalists adulation he got. Probably because we are a poor team, who knows, in your Great squad, and with a manager who is head & shoulders above Sean SHITE !! Dyche, Mr Onana could finally progress & bloom'
Clearly, Onana is not the finished article and we can only trust Unai will wave his magic wand!!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2024, 11:35:42 AM
An extract from a message sent by a good mate who supports Toffees:
'Good morning my best Aston Villa friend, how are you ? How is your health ?. I felt compelled to thank you as a villa supporter, for buying Amadou. I am honestly pleased he's gone, I didn't rate him at all. I quickly picked up on one of his faults, when the blues were up against a good team, and we were getting beat like 2-0, he would go missing. I think he never achieved the journalists adulation he got. Probably because we are a poor team, who knows, in your Great squad, and with a manager who is head & shoulders above Sean SHITE !! Dyche, Mr Onana could finally progress & bloom'
Did he also ask for your bank account details, as you've inherited 10 million dollars from the widow of a Nigerian prince?
Post by: Baldy on July 23, 2024, 11:45:26 AM
An extract from a message sent by a good mate who supports Toffees:
'Good morning my best Aston Villa friend, how are you ? How is your health ?. I felt compelled to thank you as a villa supporter, for buying Amadou. I am honestly pleased he's gone, I didn't rate him at all. I quickly picked up on one of his faults, when the blues were up against a good team, and we were getting beat like 2-0, he would go missing. I think he never achieved the journalists adulation he got. Probably because we are a poor team, who knows, in your Great squad, and with a manager who is head & shoulders above Sean SHITE !! Dyche, Mr Onana could finally progress & bloom'
Did he also ask for your bank account details, as you've inherited 10 million dollars from the widow of a Nigerian prince?
No, he is a true Evertonian. As proof, he is a right miserable looking git.
Post by: darren woolley on July 23, 2024, 02:29:13 PM
Post by: ExclDawg on July 23, 2024, 03:02:32 PM
Lots here to choose from:
There's this one too
Post by: Dogtanian on July 23, 2024, 03:31:36 PM
There's always
OH-NA-NA, OH-NA-NA, OH-NA-NAAH NAAAAAH!
Never call our man Andre!
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 23, 2024, 03:34:02 PM
Post by: jwarry on July 23, 2024, 03:43:57 PM
Gotta be able to fit his name into this
I wonder how long it took him to write those lyrics
Post by: Bad English on July 23, 2024, 05:54:11 PM
This goes for quoting emoticons such as 🚨🔴⚪️ in Twitter posts too. WTF?Emery and Monchi are COOKING! Still think there will be a few more exits, and wouldn't be surprised to see at least one other forward come in.
Please don't, this is H&V not X.
Post by: Rory on July 23, 2024, 05:58:49 PM
This goes for quoting emoticons such as 🚨🔴⚪️ in Twitter posts too. WTF?Emery and Monchi are COOKING! Still think there will be a few more exits, and wouldn't be surprised to see at least one other forward come in.
Please don't, this is H&V not X.
Agreed❗️
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2024, 09:43:07 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 23, 2024, 09:47:30 PM
Post by: eye digress on July 23, 2024, 09:48:11 PM
The reviews from Everton fans are consistently underwhelming, so we’d be wise to keep expectations in check. Over time Emery will hopefully work his magic on what is clearly a beast of an athlete, but the initial period might be a disappointing.My Everton mates are adamant we’ve got a great player, who needed to be in a more possession based team to shine (which is a sort of disguised criticism, I suppose, when you think about it).
Post by: Ian. on July 23, 2024, 09:49:49 PM
The reviews from Everton fans are consistently underwhelming, so we’d be wise to keep expectations in check. Over time Emery will hopefully work his magic on what is clearly a beast of an athlete, but the initial period might be a disappointing.
By the sounds of it Everton play like England and do not play out from the back and the midfield is a void. I’m sure he was pretty wasted there in that system. Hopefully he’ll settle in quickly and our style will suit him. Without Kamara we sure need him too.
Post by: villadelph on July 23, 2024, 09:53:59 PM
The reviews from Everton fans are consistently underwhelming, so we’d be wise to keep expectations in check. Over time Emery will hopefully work his magic on what is clearly a beast of an athlete, but the initial period might be a disappointing.
Go watch the Belgium v Romania match and take a deep breath. He'll be good for us, no doubt.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 23, 2024, 09:55:29 PM
The reviews from Everton fans are consistently underwhelming, so we’d be wise to keep expectations in check. Over time Emery will hopefully work his magic on what is clearly a beast of an athlete, but the initial period might be a disappointing.
Not the ones I’ve heard, but anyway, for balance, he’ll mostly be doing this sort of thing, but better and more often I reckon:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pK0fy9UnAH0&pp=ygUSZXZlcnRvbiBvbmFuYSBzb25n
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2024, 10:00:33 PM
I’m just grateful that we have a manger that has a proven pedigree at smoothing edges of players (and some!)
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2024, 10:04:31 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 23, 2024, 10:09:44 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2024, 10:12:45 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 23, 2024, 10:14:43 PM
Emery and Monchi are COOKING! Still think there will be a few more exits, and wouldn't be surprised to see at least one other forward come in.
Please don't, this is H&V not X.
This goes for quoting emoticons such as 🚨🔴⚪️ in Twitter posts too. WTF?
💯
Post by: Smithy on July 24, 2024, 09:51:14 AM
A lot of Boro fans couldn't understand why Unai wanted Rogers either.
This is the important thing here, I think. Monchi and Unai aren't buying players solely due to highlight reels, but are clearly seeing something in a player that they know they can mould and develop into a real asset for the team. I like that.
And as much as I'd like us to sign Nico Williams, everyone and his dog now knows what a great player he is, so I'm always more interested in finding out what they've seen in the lesser-known players we sign (like Enzo and Iling-jnr). It used to be we'd be linked to a lesser known player, and I'd think "why are we interested in THEM?!", but these days I think "I wonder what Unai and Monchi have seen that everyone else has missed?"
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2024, 10:12:20 AM
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2024, 10:24:02 AM
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2024, 10:28:32 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on July 24, 2024, 10:31:58 AM
Post by: itbrvilla on July 24, 2024, 10:57:12 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 24, 2024, 11:21:31 AM
Reports of Amadou doing an Unsworth are wide of the mark.
What reports?
Post by: eamonn on July 24, 2024, 11:39:22 AM
Post by: Smithy on July 24, 2024, 01:55:30 PM
And another example of a player not being used to the best of his ability at Everton, I remember pretty much universal derision on here when Newcastle spent £40m on Gordon, now he'd cost double that after a season and a half.
Yep, there have been one or two signings in the last year or so where people (me included) have seen the price tag and thought "really?". Gordon is one, Palmer is another. Let's hope Amadou joins that list in looking like a bit of a bargain in 12 months' time...
Post by: Smithy on July 24, 2024, 02:01:15 PM
I think it's a sign of his confidence and athleticism, that when he goes for the ball like that, he knows he's getting it, without having to take out the player to do it. He also only got 5 bookings all season, which isn't very high for a combative DM. He's not reckless, at all.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 24, 2024, 09:50:06 PM
Post by: Smoke on July 24, 2024, 10:13:42 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 24, 2024, 10:18:57 PM
People have mentioned similarities to Viera. I'm getting more Yaya Toure vibes.
To be honest either will do!
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 24, 2024, 10:39:12 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2024, 10:10:29 AM
But I am not
Andre Onana
Always the same
That's not my name (mate)
That's not my name
That's not my name
That's not my name
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2024, 10:14:10 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 25, 2024, 10:16:43 AM
Post by: jwarry on July 25, 2024, 10:17:36 AM
Emery and Monchi are COOKING! Still think there will be a few more exits, and wouldn't be surprised to see at least one other forward come in.
Please don't, this is H&V not X.
This goes for quoting emoticons such as 🚨🔴⚪️ in Twitter posts too. WTF?
💯
Oh come on chaps get a life, as long as we are not using them surely it’s ok to quote others warts and all?
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2024, 10:44:30 AM
You'll be lucky to have the time to get your coat.I know, but it popped into my head as soon as I saw the clip and now hopefully it's in yours too.
Post by: AV84 on July 25, 2024, 10:58:17 AM
They call me Andre
But I am not
Andre Onana
Always the same
That's not my name (mate)
That's not my name
That's not my name
That's not my name
I've been trying to think how to work that interview into that song since we signed him. Well done!
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2024, 11:18:00 AM
Am-a-dou
Ona-na-na-na
to the tune of Live is life (Opus)
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 25, 2024, 11:24:05 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2024, 01:10:04 PM
This is the correct video for that song.
Cheating twat, but a genius cheating twat.
Sadly missed
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 25, 2024, 02:11:12 PM
Cheating twat, but a genius cheating twat.
Sadly missed
He's well-regarded in Ireland.
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 25, 2024, 02:47:11 PM
Cheating twat, but a genius cheating twat.
Sadly missed
He's well-regarded in Ireland.
How about Thierry?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 25, 2024, 03:03:35 PM
Cheating twat, but a genius cheating twat.
Sadly missed
He's well-regarded in Ireland.
How about Thierry?
M. Mugler's fragrances are fairly popular with the ladies.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2024, 01:04:11 PM
I do think signing Onana assists the defence and can go some way to addressing goals conceded.
That's the area that most needs addressing and Onana will offer stability as a 6 alongside Barkley.
Would like to see another midfielder in to address concern of Luiz leaving though.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 26, 2024, 01:35:13 PM
He's a strong player physicality wise however he does need to work on his football intelligence and his passing and ability isn't anywhere near Douglas Luiz level in my view.
I do think signing Onana assists the defence and can go some way to addressing goals conceded.
That's the area that most needs addressing and Onana will offer stability as a 6 alongside Barkley.
Would like to see another midfielder in to address concern of Luiz leaving though.
There is nothing wrong with Onanas passing.
During Euro 2024, he had an average 90% passing accuracy per game. 92% of that was in his own half. 89% was in the opposition half.
During last years Premier League campaign, playing "Dycheball", he had an average 85% passing accuracy per game. 90% of that was in his own half. 81% of that was in the opposition half.
Which for the record, is pretty similar to Douglas Luiz Premier League campaign last season. (89% overall, 93% in own half, 80% in opposition half.)
So his passing ability is fine.
Especially within a team that actually plays passing football.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 26, 2024, 01:39:48 PM
He's a strong player physicality wise however he does need to work on his football intelligence and his passing and ability isn't anywhere near Douglas Luiz level in my view.
I do think signing Onana assists the defence and can go some way to addressing goals conceded.
That's the area that most needs addressing and Onana will offer stability as a 6 alongside Barkley.
Would like to see another midfielder in to address concern of Luiz leaving though.
There is nothing wrong with Onanas passing.
During Euro 2024, he had an average 90% passing accuracy per game. 92% of that was in his own half. 89% was in the opposition half.
During last years Premier League campaign, playing "Dycheball", he had an average 85% passing accuracy per game. 90% of that was in his own half. 81% of that was in the opposition half.
Which for the record, is pretty similar to Douglas Luiz Premier League campaign last season. (89% overall, 93% in own half, 80% in opposition half.)
So his passing ability is fine.
Especially within a team that actually plays passing football.
Come on now Onana is no Douglas Luiz the only metric he beats Dougie at is height!
As a 6 for Belgian in Euros he was over ran and ironically it was crying out for Your Tielemans to replace him in a game.
It's kind of necessary to have a few 6ft plus players in the teams now and of course Onana has quality other than his sheer size but I don't think he got the passing range , penalty nous or set piece ability and creativity of Luiz.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 26, 2024, 01:42:19 PM
He's a strong player physicality wise however he does need to work on his football intelligence and his passing and ability isn't anywhere near Douglas Luiz level in my view.
I do think signing Onana assists the defence and can go some way to addressing goals conceded.
That's the area that most needs addressing and Onana will offer stability as a 6 alongside Barkley.
Would like to see another midfielder in to address concern of Luiz leaving though.
There is nothing wrong with Onanas passing.
During Euro 2024, he had an average 90% passing accuracy per game. 92% of that was in his own half. 89% was in the opposition half.
During last years Premier League campaign, playing "Dycheball", he had an average 85% passing accuracy per game. 90% of that was in his own half. 81% of that was in the opposition half.
Which for the record, is pretty similar to Douglas Luiz Premier League campaign last season. (89% overall, 93% in own half, 80% in opposition half.)
So his passing ability is fine.
Especially within a team that actually plays passing football.
Come on now Onana is no Douglas Luiz the only metric he beats Dougie at is height!
As a 6 for Belgian in Euros he was over ran and ironically it was crying out for Your Tielemans to replace him in a game.
It's kind of necessary to have a few 6ft plus players in the teams now and of course Onana has quality other than his sheer size but I don't think he got the passing range , penalty nous or set piece ability and creativity of Luiz.
Read what I have written again.
Post by: villadelph on July 26, 2024, 02:02:18 PM
He's a strong player physicality wise however he does need to work on his football intelligence and his passing and ability isn't anywhere near Douglas Luiz level in my view.
I do think signing Onana assists the defence and can go some way to addressing goals conceded.
That's the area that most needs addressing and Onana will offer stability as a 6 alongside Barkley.
Would like to see another midfielder in to address concern of Luiz leaving though.
There is nothing wrong with Onanas passing.
During Euro 2024, he had an average 90% passing accuracy per game. 92% of that was in his own half. 89% was in the opposition half.
During last years Premier League campaign, playing "Dycheball", he had an average 85% passing accuracy per game. 90% of that was in his own half. 81% of that was in the opposition half.
Which for the record, is pretty similar to Douglas Luiz Premier League campaign last season. (89% overall, 93% in own half, 80% in opposition half.)
So his passing ability is fine.
Especially within a team that actually plays passing football.
Come on now Onana is no Douglas Luiz the only metric he beats Dougie at is height!
As a 6 for Belgian in Euros he was over ran and ironically it was crying out for Your Tielemans to replace him in a game.
It's kind of necessary to have a few 6ft plus players in the teams now and of course Onana has quality other than his sheer size but I don't think he got the passing range , penalty nous or set piece ability and creativity of Luiz.
But he's got 5x the physicality, is willing to make a tackle (which Doug never did), and has a better discipline record because he's not caught out of position and has to tug a shirt to stop an opponent's fast break. Oh, and he's four years younger. Let's see where he progress to when he's 26.
Post by: Mister E on July 26, 2024, 02:48:21 PM
He's a strong player physicality wise however he does need to work on his football intelligence and his passing and ability isn't anywhere near Douglas Luiz level in my view .... Would like to see another midfielder in to address concern of Luiz leaving though.Several people on here seem to be seeking the Dougie-replacement player. What if UE is not trying to replace one player with a carbon copy? Maybe UE is instead bringing players who all have a pass in them, who can all be quarterback when required.
We already have players like Ramsey, Rogers, Tielemans, Barkley, Bailey and Kamara who can see and hit a pass - either run-of-the-mill or Hollywood style - and I'm guessing that he sees the same in Barrenechea, I-J, Onana, Dobbin and Jaden.
If this is the case, then we are seriously building a squad that will ride the injuries and periods of off-form that most squads suffer from during a season.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 27, 2024, 12:36:59 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1K_gePUh7_8&list=PLp2k7qLDmtqEVhm603RzqjKPVzE14dTrw&index=2&pp=iAQB
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2024, 12:55:10 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 27, 2024, 01:24:49 AM
I asked the other day why his English is so good but no one replied. Is it just because he's really clever, do we think?
Well going by what was on his tablet when pictured on the plane, he looked like he was watching Love Island, so maybe that's where he is getting a lot of his lessons. Although you did say his English was 'good', so maybe not.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2024, 06:12:50 AM
Post by: AV84 on July 27, 2024, 08:09:17 AM
I asked the other day why his English is so good but no one replied. Is it just because he's really clever, do we think?
Well going by what was on his tablet when pictured on the plane, he looked like he was watching Love Island, so maybe that's where he is getting a lot of his lessons. Although you did say his English was 'good', so maybe not.
It wasn't Love Island. It was Anyone But You. And it was the promo pic that was used for it, so entirely possible he wasn't even watching it, it was just coming up as an advertisement the way things do on Netflix when you don't interect with it for a minute.
Not that it matters, obviously.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2024, 08:33:56 AM
He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
Post by: eye digress on July 27, 2024, 08:35:17 AM
Most of the Everton fans that I've read seem mainly annoyed that they're not getting the £80m from Arsenal or Bayern that they'd talked themselves into thinking they were getting.Which is also what we mostly thought about Dougie, in fairness.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2024, 08:38:16 AM
Post by: AV84 on July 27, 2024, 08:40:34 AM
He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
The accent most likely comes from watching TV and films. A lot of mainland Europeans learn English from an early ago, so would have a basic knowledge of it, but the accent has to have come from hanging about with a lot of London lads, or watching a lot of Top Boy or The Only Way is Essex and the likes.
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2024, 08:47:16 AM
Hi, Eastie - how's tricks?He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
The accent most likely comes from watching TV and films. A lot of mainland Europeans learn English from an early ago, so would have a basic knowledge of it, but the accent has to have come from hanging about with a lot of London lads, or watching a lot of Top Boy or The Only Way is Essex and the likes.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2024, 09:21:13 AM
He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
By things said Emery struggled with learning both French and English. Onana seems to have sailed through learning languages, some people are just naturally good with them, others not so much.
Post by: AV84 on July 27, 2024, 09:22:13 AM
Hi, Eastie - how's tricks?He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
The accent most likely comes from watching TV and films. A lot of mainland Europeans learn English from an early ago, so would have a basic knowledge of it, but the accent has to have come from hanging about with a lot of London lads, or watching a lot of Top Boy or The Only Way is Essex and the likes.
I don't know what that means.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2024, 09:32:32 AM
He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
By things said Emery struggled with learning both French and English. Onana seems to have sailed through learning languages, some people are just naturally good with them, others not so much.
I get all that, but I know people from all over the world who speak great English, but you can always tell where they're from (broadly). I've never heard somebody who's only spent a couple of years here with such a lack of their own accent when using it. Anyway, I thought he must have grown up here or something, but no, he's just a genius.
When I speak Spanish to non-Mexican Spanish speakers, I get told I have a Mexican accent (which is a total thrill), but they mean I sound odd because I'm clearly a British person with a slight Mexican accent, which is weird to them. This lad's just got it. Fair play to him.
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2024, 09:36:16 AM
Eastie is a former poster on here - before flouncing off - who seemed to have an uncanny and intimate knowledge of the life of our players.Hi, Eastie - how's tricks?He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
The accent most likely comes from watching TV and films. A lot of mainland Europeans learn English from an early ago, so would have a basic knowledge of it, but the accent has to have come from hanging about with a lot of London lads, or watching a lot of Top Boy or The Only Way is Essex and the likes.
I don't know what that means.
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2024, 09:36:33 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 27, 2024, 09:37:40 AM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2024, 09:44:16 AM
I'm shit with languages, French at school and then when older dating a Swedish woman and a Persian woman (not at the same time). Wasn't through lack of trying but apart from a few basic words my brain just wouldn't retain languages.
I normally retain the naughty words and that’s about it.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2024, 09:48:36 AM
Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2024, 09:50:37 AM
I was terrible until I lived in a place where nobody spoke English. Necessity is the mother of invention and all that.
I found that when I worked in Falkirk for a while.
Post by: AV84 on July 27, 2024, 10:36:53 AM
Eastie is a former poster on here - before flouncing off - who seemed to have an uncanny and intimate knowledge of the life of our players.Hi, Eastie - how's tricks?He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
The accent most likely comes from watching TV and films. A lot of mainland Europeans learn English from an early ago, so would have a basic knowledge of it, but the accent has to have come from hanging about with a lot of London lads, or watching a lot of Top Boy or The Only Way is Essex and the likes.
I don't know what that means.
OK. For the record, not me. And I was just making assumptions based on his age, and the specific accent he has, he was more likely to be watching those things than Eastenders, or Only Fools and Horses, for example.
Post by: jwarry on July 27, 2024, 10:59:35 AM
Amadou Onana has lifted the lid on his discussions with Unai Emery before he penned a five-year contract with Aston Villa.
The Villa manager put across his honest assessment of the midfielder, where he can improve and how he will fit into the team. Onana believes that Emery will be able to get the best out of him after leaving Everton in a deal worth £50m, while he even snubbed late interest from Manchester United, who were reportedly offering better financial terms
Onana reported for pre-season Bodymoor Heath on Monday before he jetted out to the USA with his new teammates for the club's 2024 tour. The 22-year-old will play a key role in Emery's side in the years to come after being told exactly where he can develop by the Spaniard.
"We exchanged words and discussed, he wants to teach me certain things and that we have the same vision of the game and the player that I can become," Onana told La Derniere Heure. "He highlighted my qualities but also my flaws that I need to improve. I was totally in tune with his analysis
"I needed this challenge. Play for the top of the table and be able to have big collective ambitions. He needed more physicality in his midfield. Someone who knows how to stop the counters as well as how to project himself forward.
"He asked me to dare to take my responsibilities and play the game from my position. I think my profile meets his expectations. The first time he saw me play, it was under Frank Lampard (at the beginning of the 2022-23 season) and he has followed me since, because I had caught his eye."
Asked if he will play as a 'modern number six', Onana replied: "I will have this role and it is very clear for the coach. I did it well in the national team recently. It was this version of me that they liked. It's my real football.
"The European Championships have boosted my value. I’m convinced of that. My performance at the European Championship was in balance with the player I am and the qualities I have. At Everton we often played a completely different type of football.
"I was able to show all my qualities at the European Championships. I was enjoying myself on the pitch, I think it showed. I was very confident that the European Championships would accelerate my future. Mentally I was fully ready to give the best of myself and I think I did my job well."
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 27, 2024, 11:12:01 AM
… and compare and contrast versus Duran.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 27, 2024, 11:20:12 AM
Rodri is what I'm thinking. The Spain and Man City midfielder.People have mentioned similarities to Viera. I'm getting more Yaya Toure vibes.
To be honest either will do!
Thanks for this article. I think that confirms my thinking.
"We exchanged words and discussed, he wants to teach me certain things and that we have the same vision of the game and the player that I can become," Onana told La Derniere Heure. "He highlighted my qualities but also my flaws that I need to improve. I was totally in tune with his analysis
"I needed this challenge. Play for the top of the table and be able to have big collective ambitions. He needed more physicality in his midfield. Someone who knows how to stop the counters as well as how to project himself forward.
Asked if he will play as a 'modern number six', Onana replied: "I will have this role and it is very clear for the coach. I did it well in the national team recently. It was this version of me that they liked. It's my real football.
Emery wants someone for a 6 and I would say he's our Rodri. That's how he'll be moulded. And its confirmed he will play the role as CDM. Ross Barkley I expect will be alongside him at times in a two 6s pivot.
Funnily enough Onanu is going to be number 24 and Barkley is number 6 !
Post by: AV84 on July 27, 2024, 11:30:18 AM
Post by: Border villan on July 27, 2024, 11:42:04 AM
He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
By things said Emery struggled with learning both French and English. Onana seems to have sailed through learning languages, some people are just naturally good with them, others not so much.
I get all that, but I know people from all over the world who speak great English, but you can always tell where they're from (broadly). I've never heard somebody who's only spent a couple of years here with such a lack of their own accent when using it. Anyway, I thought he must have grown up here or something, but no, he's just a genius.
When I speak Spanish to non-Mexican Spanish speakers, I get told I have a Mexican accent (which is a total thrill), but they mean I sound odd because I'm clearly a British person with a slight Mexican accent, which is weird to them. This lad's just got it. Fair play to him.
I’m surprised they don’t ask if you are from Bishops Castle.
Post by: brontebilly on July 27, 2024, 12:08:18 PM
If we'd sold Luiz, McGinn, Bailey or Watkins at the end of Gerrard's tenure, there wouldn't have many positive reviews from Villa fans for them either.
Certainly not Bailey anyway, his performance at Fulham that night matched his performance in Deano's last game. Drinkwater levels. His turnaround has been phenomenal.
The other three were just being mismanaged really, McGinn took a lot of crap off fans, including one or two on here, but he was being asked to effectively cover Cash when he went forward. Gerrard was probably worse than Sherwood really on tactics. Arsenal wanted Luiz, his talent was never in doubt but his application certainly was. Watkins/Ings just never clicked, Emery sorted that one within a few weeks. Took a lot of heat here for that decision at the time. Mings improved out of all recognition too once Gerrard went.
Post by: eye digress on July 27, 2024, 12:09:56 PM
He has many talents, but being fluent in English is not among them!He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2024, 12:47:25 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 27, 2024, 02:13:06 PM
He has many talents, but being fluent in English is not among them!He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
It's very rare to find people who are totally fluent. If you can do your job in another language, you're good enough in my book.
Edit: Emery's problem is he doesn't try hard enough with the accent. I've heard loads of people who know a million times more Spanish than me, but they spew it out like they're from Castleford so nobody understands them, which kind of defeats the point of learning the effing thing in the first place.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 27, 2024, 02:22:41 PM
That interview is very encouraging. A player humble enough to realise he is not perfect. The awareness to identify Emery as the person that’ll make him improve.
… and compare and contrast versus Duran.
Absolutely.
Half the battle for players to progress is to realise that they are nowhere near the finished article.
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2024, 02:33:13 PM
Post by: eye digress on July 27, 2024, 05:14:25 PM
He thinks in Spanish as he speaks in English, hence the tortured syntax.He has many talents, but being fluent in English is not among them!He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
It's very rare to find people who are totally fluent. If you can do your job in another language, you're good enough in my book.
Edit: Emery's problem is he doesn't try hard enough with the accent. I've heard loads of people who know a million times more Spanish than me, but they spew it out like they're from Castleford so nobody understands them, which kind of defeats the point of learning the effing thing in the first place.
That being said, as the substance of what he says is admirable, all is forgiven. 😀
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 30, 2024, 12:48:49 PM
The minute he has a bad game he going to be critics because he has this extra interest that may or may not hinder his footballing performancesHe has many talents, but being fluent in English is not among them!He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.He's fluent in a number of languages.
I know, but so is Emery. Onana's nailed the accent.
By things said Emery struggled with learning both French and English. Onana seems to have sailed through learning languages, some people are just naturally good with them, others not so much.
I get all that, but I know people from all over the world who speak great English, but you can always tell where they're from (broadly). I've never heard somebody who's only spent a couple of years here with such a lack of their own accent when using it. Anyway, I thought he must have grown up here or something, but no, he's just a genius.
When I speak Spanish to non-Mexican Spanish speakers, I get told I have a Mexican accent (which is a total thrill), but they mean I sound odd because I'm clearly a British person with a slight Mexican accent, which is weird to them. This lad's just got it. Fair play to him.
I’m surprised they don’t ask if you are from Bishops Castle.
But I can say now he'll get questioned
Also Emery wants players to be professional and live and breathe football so I do wonder what's going to happen to 24am
And how are people with Onana doing this are you ok ?
He's just released this
(https://i.ibb.co/zRh2kLr/Check-on-me.png) (https://ibb.co/zRh2kLr)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 30, 2024, 01:56:39 PM
The minute he has a bad game he going to be critics because he has this extra interest that may or may not hinder his footballing performances
But I can say now he'll get questioned
Also Emery wants players to be professional and live and breathe football so I do wonder what's going to happen to 24am
And how are people with Onana doing this are you ok ?
He's just released this
It's music to my ears.
Post by: jwarry on July 30, 2024, 02:28:12 PM
The minute he has a bad game he going to be critics because he has this extra interest that may or may not hinder his footballing performances
But I can say now he'll get questioned
Also Emery wants players to be professional and live and breathe football so I do wonder what's going to happen to 24am
And how are people with Onana doing this are you ok ?
He's just released this
It's music to my ears.
It went straight through my ears
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 30, 2024, 07:08:57 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on July 30, 2024, 07:14:00 PM
Is it me or is it certain people on heroes and villains that seem to find fault with everything concerning Aston Villa
;D
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 30, 2024, 07:45:25 PM
Is it me or is it certain people on heroes and villains that seem to find fault with everything concerning Aston VillaYes, these will be the individuals that try to undermine the impending Aston Villa league contenders thread, which I have planned for the start of the season.
Last season, there was a massive challenge and resistance in the Champions League thread, and people took their time believing. I looked at the top four competitors and saw a great likelihood, and I believe there is a chance to match what we did last season or perhaps win the Premier League title this season
That's very much why Emery asks all players to be focused with football and that must be their number one focus! He wants to win trophies. That's the aim this season.
So then look forward to it as season is approaching and once again an opportunity for believers to participate in the discussion, which is clearly intended to be a thread of positivism, dreams, and optimism about winning the league!
Are you ready ?
Up The Villa!!
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 30, 2024, 08:12:19 PM
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2024, 08:32:39 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 30, 2024, 08:39:11 PM
UTVIs it me or is it certain people on heroes and villains that seem to find fault with everything concerning Aston VillaYes, these will be the individuals that try to undermine the impending Aston Villa league contenders thread, which I have planned for the start of the season.
Last season, there was a massive challenge and resistance in the Champions League thread, and people took their time believing. I looked at the top four competitors and saw a great likelihood, and I believe there is a chance to match what we did last season or perhaps win the Premier League title this season
That's very much why Emery asks all players to be focused with football and that must be their number one focus! He wants to win trophies. That's the aim this season.
So then look forward to it as season is approaching and once again an opportunity for believers to participate in the discussion, which is clearly intended to be a thread of positivism, dreams, and optimism about winning the league!
Are you ready ?
Up The Villa!!
Post by: Ian. on July 30, 2024, 08:39:32 PM
Post by: WassallVillain on July 30, 2024, 10:02:53 PM
The minute he has a bad game he going to be critics because he has this extra interest that may or may not hinder his footballing performances
But I can say now he'll get questioned
Also Emery wants players to be professional and live and breathe football so I do wonder what's going to happen to 24am
And how are people with Onana doing this are you ok ?
He's just released this
(https://i.ibb.co/zRh2kLr/Check-on-me.png) (https://ibb.co/zRh2kLr)
[/quote]
You are usually one of the first with criticism for all manner of reasons. And it doesn’t even have to be a football misdemeanour.
Post by: john e on July 30, 2024, 10:05:40 PM
The minute he has a bad game he going to be critics because he has this extra interest that may or may not hinder his footballing performances
But I can say now he'll get questioned
Also Emery wants players to be professional and live and breathe football so I do wonder what's going to happen to 24am
And how are people with Onana doing this are you ok ?
He's just released this
(https://i.ibb.co/zRh2kLr/Check-on-me.png) (https://ibb.co/zRh2kLr)
You are usually one of the first with criticism for all manner of reasons. And it doesn’t even have to be a football misdemeanour.
[/quote]
Sorry I don’t know what this means
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2024, 07:47:39 AM
This scrolling past footy’s posts is a right pain in the arse. I usually just read everything, not caring who the poster is. Then I start on something, within a few sentences realise it’s absolute bollicks, scroll back up to check that, as always, it’s footy, then scroll past. But then people engage and I’ve lost all sense of the discourse. So they manage to annoy me even when I’m taking the ‘ignore them’ advice seriously."within a few sentences"? - I admire your fortitude!
Post by: TelfordVilla on July 31, 2024, 08:32:49 AM
Up The Villa!!
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Post by: chrisw1 on July 31, 2024, 08:55:06 AM
Hope this helps.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2024, 08:57:39 AM
I'm not sure who is arguing with who.
Post by: Somniloquism on July 31, 2024, 09:18:07 AM
Apropos nothing, there is a feature on this message board where you can click 'ignore user' You still see quotes of the post where people have replied, but not the actual post itself. You can click 'reveal' if curiosity gets the better of you, but my experience is that it's best not to. I have found it to be very helpful over the last few days.
Hope this helps.
Not sure if it works on mobile which is what Percy uses most. (Plus wanted to get the Chrisw message out to more people.)
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 31, 2024, 09:21:00 AM
Be grateful if anyone can confirm you can do it on the mobile, need it urgentlyApropos nothing, there is a feature on this message board where you can click 'ignore user' You still see quotes of the post where people have replied, but not the actual post itself. You can click 'reveal' if curiosity gets the better of you, but my experience is that it's best not to. I have found it to be very helpful over the last few days.
Hope this helps.
Not sure if it works on mobile which is what Percy uses most. (Plus wanted to get the Chrisw message out to more people.)
Post by: Risso on July 31, 2024, 09:28:21 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 31, 2024, 09:30:44 AM
Profile/modify profile/edit ignore list
Post by: chrisw1 on July 31, 2024, 09:54:23 AM
Whenever I'm on my mobile, I always scroll to the bottom of the page and click on 'go to full site' and it works then. I prefer the 'full site' view anyway.Be grateful if anyone can confirm you can do it on the mobile, need it urgentlyApropos nothing, there is a feature on this message board where you can click 'ignore user' You still see quotes of the post where people have replied, but not the actual post itself. You can click 'reveal' if curiosity gets the better of you, but my experience is that it's best not to. I have found it to be very helpful over the last few days.
Hope this helps.
Not sure if it works on mobile which is what Percy uses most. (Plus wanted to get the Chrisw message out to more people.)
Post by: Clampy on July 31, 2024, 09:59:28 AM
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Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2024, 10:58:54 AM
An Everton fan at work (who’s a good bloke) said he was indifferent about him leaving the Toffees. Said he drifted in and out of games and tended to leave a ‘foot in’ a lot which resulted in plenty of yellow cards .Only time will tell if it is a good signing for us but his young age will give plenty of time for Unai to get his message across.
That about the yellow cards was true for his first season but last season he was far more disciplined as he looked much more up to speed with the league. The idea of him drifting out of games doesn't really worry me when he was playing for Dyche, that's not really an environment where you'd expect centre mids to really dominate.
Post by: Smithy on July 31, 2024, 11:39:27 AM
An Everton fan at work (who’s a good bloke) said he was indifferent about him leaving the Toffees. Said he drifted in and out of games and tended to leave a ‘foot in’ a lot which resulted in plenty of yellow cards .Only time will tell if it is a good signing for us but his young age will give plenty of time for Unai to get his message across.
He got five bookings last season. For comparison, Bouba got 7, and only played till the end of Jan. Dougie got 12.
There might turn out to be issues with his game, but I don't think "unnecessary bookings" is going to be one of them.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 31, 2024, 03:10:08 PM
The minute he has a bad game he going to be critics because he has this extra interest that may or may not hinder his footballing performances
But I can say now he'll get questioned
Also Emery wants players to be professional and live and breathe football so I do wonder what's going to happen to 24am
And how are people with Onana doing this are you ok ?
He's just released this
(https://i.ibb.co/zRh2kLr/Check-on-me.png) (https://ibb.co/zRh2kLr)
You are usually one of the first with criticism for all manner of reasons. And it doesn’t even have to be a football misdemeanour.
Sorry I don’t know what this means
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Hi Johne
So sure if I explain Onana is doing music as an artist and this is his track on Spotify.
It's also on youtube he has less than 50 following but has over 1,000 views
The song track is called Check on Me
Sung in multi languages.
All the best to your summer!
Post by: Mister E on July 31, 2024, 05:15:57 PM
... I know this because my desirable female cousin used to see them there!
It didn't make them lesser players in their day.
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 31, 2024, 08:40:36 PM
Re Amadou's pastimes, Chico Hamilton and Pat McMahon (the players, not the posters; although it may apply for all I know) used to go bell-ringing in their time off ...
... I know this because my desirable female cousin used to see them there!
It didn't make them lesser players in their day.
You'd get on well with Sexual Ealing and the other strapping farm boys.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 31, 2024, 08:44:19 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2024, 09:14:17 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2024, 09:24:36 PM
SECOND-cousin, thank you.
Did you wear the first one out?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 31, 2024, 09:37:39 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 31, 2024, 09:38:31 PM
Et tu, paul_e?
it was a bit of a tap in that I couldn't resist.
Post by: nigel on August 01, 2024, 09:30:33 AM
SECOND-cousin, thank you.
Did you wear the first one out?
Blimey Paul, you’re coming out with some classic one liners.
First, about the Billy Goats and now this 😂
Post by: OCD on August 01, 2024, 10:13:25 AM
SECOND-cousin, thank you.
That makes it alright then 😂😂
Post by: Risso on August 01, 2024, 12:22:21 PM
SECOND-cousin, thank you.
That makes it alright then 😂😂
That's the joke...
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 13, 2024, 02:29:26 PM
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Post by: pablo_picasso on August 14, 2024, 11:53:41 AM
Amadou Onana: “I’ve asked Unai Emery & his staff to speak to me in Spanish so I can answer in Spanish. I already speak five languages — Wolof, from my childhood growing up in Senegal, French, German, English & Dutch. But I’m learning a sixth (Spanish)..”
Footy will be pleased...
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2024, 01:19:17 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2024, 09:20:40 PM
Onana to partner Tielemans?
Meanwhile, Onana, who played every minute for Belgium in Euro 2024 and joined Villa from Everton for £50m this summer, offers an exciting option for the club to turn to.
His aggressive and all-action approach to the game will excite fans, while also offering some much-needed height and physicality to the squad
While he is not a genuine holding midfielder, his ability to break up play, drive the team forward and regularly find a team-mate after retaining the ball will help relieve any pressure Villa are facing throughout the game.
His international team-mate Youri Tielemans seems to be the likely pairing for him in midfield moving forward, with the duo impressing during a recent 3-2 win against Athletic Bilbao.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 14, 2024, 10:05:01 PM
I think he will be explosive in a good way. Just a shame dougies not here. I think a midfield of dougie and onana would have been one of the best in the league
Post by: Dave on August 17, 2024, 07:30:56 PM
Post by: Bad English on August 17, 2024, 07:33:05 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on August 17, 2024, 07:35:55 PM
Even without the goal, he was physical & controlled on the ball.
Add the goal to that & it was a decent start to his life at Villa.
Post by: pelty on August 17, 2024, 07:40:37 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on August 17, 2024, 07:44:20 PM
Looked class.
He certainly did Pelty
Post by: supertom on August 17, 2024, 07:45:54 PM
Excellent debut displaying a number of strengths we were short of in midfield last year.
Post by: paul_e on August 17, 2024, 07:46:50 PM
We still need to make sure others keep stepping up to create things but on that showing I think we'll be ok on that front as well.
Post by: Steve67 on August 17, 2024, 08:06:40 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 17, 2024, 08:19:29 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 17, 2024, 08:37:13 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on August 17, 2024, 08:44:36 PM
A complete monsted that we have been screaming out for for years
Post by: AV84 on August 17, 2024, 08:47:46 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 17, 2024, 08:48:47 PM
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 17, 2024, 08:50:01 PM
Something really high-pitched, I reckon.
🤣
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2024, 09:08:47 PM
Wonder what the Everton fans who were happy to see him go are thinking this evening.
Royal Blue do their post-match reaction pods from the pub after the game. Should be interesting as they often get distracted by the 5.30 kick-offs that are on telly in the boozer. (The Denbigh).
I’ve gotta say though that most of the guys who do the pod rate him anyway, and are a good bunch.
Post by: Drummond on August 17, 2024, 09:27:02 PM
Something really high-pitched, I reckon.
🤣
Post by: Demitri_C on August 17, 2024, 09:45:40 PM
Unai is going to take his game to the next level
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on August 17, 2024, 09:47:27 PM
I’m seriously impressed, could he be our Patrick Vieria or Yaya Torure?
Post by: usav on August 17, 2024, 11:22:29 PM
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 18, 2024, 01:23:47 AM
He also is a dead ringer for the terrible criminal in Magnum Force.
He looks nothing like David Soul.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 18, 2024, 02:26:31 AM
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Post by: Mister E on August 18, 2024, 08:28:44 AM
.. Remember when some of us me included were clamouring for Dyche from Burnley.A terrible admission.
You were on your own, by the way!
Post by: Mister E on August 18, 2024, 08:30:47 AM
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2024, 08:32:56 AM
Beware the great debutant, but sweet Jesus he appears to have everything our midfield has been missing for seemingly decades.
Was just about to say the same thing. The problem we've had in recent seasons is that in certain games we've been bullied by big, physical players like Partey, Soucek and Joelinton. Well that's not happening any more.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 18, 2024, 09:34:54 AM
Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2024, 09:53:38 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 18, 2024, 10:42:57 AM
His comments about Duran were good too, talking him up and how important he is going to be this season. I think that’s what Duran needs, and the fact his teammates are backing that up is great to see.
Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2024, 10:48:04 AM
I can understand the older players getting frustrated with Duran and maybe writing him off, but having a lot of really young, and really good, players around him might keep him on the ground a bit more.
Post by: Somniloquism on August 18, 2024, 11:04:42 AM
I liked that in all his post match interviews the first thing he said about the goal was how good the delivery was. Tielemans on corners possibly better than Dougie?
Not sure if better then Luiz or whether having someone like Onana means the ball in doesn't have to be spot on. I also was surprised the Spam keeper stayed on his line. But when someone stated the other day that we would miss Luiz on set-pieces, I did think that was one of his skills we had enough people to replace for.
Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2024, 11:14:23 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on August 18, 2024, 11:18:50 AM
I liked that in all his post match interviews the first thing he said about the goal was how good the delivery was. Tielemans on corners possibly better than Dougie?
Maybe, but it was the movement from others that created the space for his free header as much as the decent delivery. Being 6 ft 5 helped too.
Post by: OCD on August 18, 2024, 11:57:12 AM
Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2024, 11:57:28 AM
I liked that in all his post match interviews the first thing he said about the goal was how good the delivery was. Tielemans on corners possibly better than Dougie?
Maybe, but it was the movement from others that created the space for his free header as much as the decent delivery. Being 6 ft 5 helped too.
Yeah, he mentioned too when praised for the space he was in, that it was Morgan's job to create that space for him. He literally said he's the designated target for corners, so I expect to see him marked more closely now.
It was a good move all round and I like that he praised the others involved. Maybe if he'd been here last season Dougie would have delivered the same ball.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 18, 2024, 12:03:12 PM
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Post by: brontebilly on August 18, 2024, 02:15:06 PM
I liked that in all his post match interviews the first thing he said about the goal was how good the delivery was. Tielemans on corners possibly better than Dougie?
Maybe, but it was the movement from others that created the space for his free header as much as the decent delivery. Being 6 ft 5 helped too.
Bit of a sneaky foul from Bailey too if you watch closely, dragging Kilman I think. Surprised more not made of it. Onana bullied Antonio and their keeper didn't fancy going up against him. A few of our keepers in the distant past were similarly suspect in such situations.
Post by: Dogtanian on August 18, 2024, 02:15:39 PM
Which is fine, because if you focus on him, someone else is freed up to be a threat and we have a guy who’s job it us to work out new routines.
Post by: Smithy on August 18, 2024, 02:38:49 PM
There’s no secrets in the Premier League. As soon as Onana scored that header he’s a marked man from then on.
Which is fine, because if you focus on him, someone else is freed up to be a threat and we have a guy who’s job it us to work out new routines.
That's it for me. If he ends up having two players focussing on challenging him in the air, and trying to block him, that means fewer people looking at everyone else in the box. How long till we have a clever set-piece where he makes a run and the ball doesn't come in the air and a couple of quick passes sees us passing it to an unmarked player in the box for an unchallegenged shot at goal?
Or he just proves to be brilliant in the air and we keep getting set-piece goals thanks to him. Win-win as far as I'm concerned :-)
Post by: Monty on August 18, 2024, 06:47:23 PM
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2024, 06:49:15 PM
How good's his English by the way! Is he a sneaky native speaker? It's exceptional.
and where's the slight South London accent come from?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 18, 2024, 06:50:11 PM
How good's his English by the way! Is he a sneaky native speaker? It's exceptional.
He spent two seasons at Everton.
Post by: Monty on August 18, 2024, 06:51:00 PM
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2024, 07:01:44 PM
So his dad's from Cameroon, maybe from the Anglophone area.
I'd have thought the fact his dad lived in Belgium would suggest the French bit? Not guaranteed obviously, but people often like to move to where they speak the language.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2024, 07:03:37 PM
Post by: Monty on August 18, 2024, 07:05:15 PM
So his dad's from Cameroon, maybe from the Anglophone area.
I'd have thought the fact his dad lived in Belgium would suggest the French bit? Not guaranteed obviously, but people often like to move to where they speak the language.
Could well just bilingual due to being Cameroonian, to be fair, many are.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 18, 2024, 07:07:19 PM
Post by: Monty on August 18, 2024, 07:09:10 PM
Either way he's a hell of a smart lad.
Post by: Risso on August 18, 2024, 07:13:21 PM
Why's he speaking Dutch and German in Senegal? Just learning them at school?
Either way he's a hell of a smart lad.
He's played for a German team and a Dutch team!
Post by: Dave on August 18, 2024, 07:13:43 PM
Why's he speaking Dutch and German in Senegal? Just learning them at school?
Presumably he's learning Flemish while living in Belgium as a teenager and then German at Hoffenheim and Hamburg. Rather than as a child in Senegal.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2024, 07:15:53 PM
Why's he speaking Dutch and German in Senegal? Just learning them at school?
Either way he's a hell of a smart lad.
He's played for a German team and a Dutch team!
Which Dutch team?
Post by: Monty on August 18, 2024, 07:17:17 PM
Aaaand I just realised that that includes Belgium, where German and 'Dutch' live.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 18, 2024, 07:21:05 PM
https://youtube.com/shorts/KT4ENL-l7KI?feature=shared
Post by: AV84 on August 18, 2024, 07:27:26 PM
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Post by: N'ZMAV on August 18, 2024, 08:18:45 PM
could teach them scousers to speak properly :)How good's his English by the way! Is he a sneaky native speaker? It's exceptional.
He spent two seasons at Everton.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 19, 2024, 01:10:22 AM
... aaaand now I've stopped feeling sorry for them and hope they finally go down. Nothing against them, it just sort of needs to happen. Stop stinking out the division like we did for years.
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 19, 2024, 03:26:48 AM
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2024, 09:11:24 AM
Put himself about in the middle, was everywhere, really really impressive debut.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 19, 2024, 09:13:14 AM
My Toffee mate said Tim played really well in an otherwise dire(Dyche) performance.I think we got the worst of that deal. We have them a PL ready player and in return got a youngster who I would wager will never start a league game for us.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 19, 2024, 09:50:39 AM
Interview’s like a really intelligent young man, physically he’s clearly a beast but with a silky touch.
I’m seriously impressed, could he be our Patrick Vieria or Yaya Torure?
Funny you mention viera was just chatting to one of my gooner mates and he said onana reminds him of a vieria type. Said isnt on same level just yet but wont be long until he is.
Onanas going to be class in the next few years under emery
Post by: Monty on August 19, 2024, 09:52:51 AM
Same here from my mate. Said he was the best of a bad lot, and won every ball that came anywhere near him. Passing was shite but he got a good reception because they like a grafter.
Funny that, basically the inverse what I thought his strengths and weaknesses were.
Post by: Accent Guy on August 19, 2024, 09:53:57 AM
My Toffee mate said Tim played really well in an otherwise dire(Dyche) performance.I think we got the worst of that deal. We have them a PL ready player and in return got a youngster who I would wager will never start a league game for us.
We will sell him on though and Tim wasn't good enough for us. For Everton he may be,.but not for the Villa. We are way past his level.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 19, 2024, 09:56:55 AM
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2024, 10:05:30 AM
Same here from my mate. Said he was the best of a bad lot, and won every ball that came anywhere near him. Passing was shite but he got a good reception because they like a grafter.
Funny that, basically the inverse what I thought his strengths and weaknesses were.
Same here. I guess a player's passing game is never going to get the chance to shine in a Dyche team though.
Post by: chrisw1 on August 19, 2024, 10:05:38 AM
Tim wouldn't play for us. Onana and kamara ahead of him. He would get virtually no game time and his value would drop. Good deal for all partiesThat's not really the point I'm making. I just think a PL ready midfielder like Tim is worth a lot more than Dobbin - hence I think we got the worse end of the deal.
Post by: Dave on August 19, 2024, 10:06:16 AM
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Leaving his positive initial impression to one side, just look at the sheer difference in the worlds of Aston Villa and Everton.
Both teams needed to find a way to help their PSR sheets, so essentially traded more or less unwanted youngsters to each other.
One side has already sent their youngster out on loan as they neither want nor need him this season.
The other side, Everton, has replaced a player they've just sold for £50m - to Aston Villa - with their new youngster and it's clear that he actually is the replacement that we assumed would be brought in to such a crucial area of the pitch.
Absolute shambles. I can already hear Dyche again covering for the club with a "Well we didn't expect Tim's performance level to be so high, so we didn't feel like we needed to add more to that part of the squad."
Happy days.
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2024, 10:13:12 AM
Tim wouldn't play for us. Onana and kamara ahead of him. He would get virtually no game time and his value would drop. Good deal for all partiesThat's not really the point I'm making. I just think a PL ready midfielder like Tim is worth a lot more than Dobbin - hence I think we got the worse end of the deal.
It's six of one in my opinion. Iroegbunam was never, ever going to get a regular run for us, so the £9m was decent money. Dobbin had actually played in more games for Everton than Tim had for us. It was very much a mutually convenient PSR deal.
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2024, 10:40:51 AM
Same here from my mate. Said he was the best of a bad lot, and won every ball that came anywhere near him. Passing was shite but he got a good reception because they like a grafter.
Was he the same mate that told you Onana had a 50p head? ;)
Took less than four minutes to rubbish that one!
Post by: Dogtanian on August 19, 2024, 10:42:41 AM
Tim wouldn't play for us. Onana and kamara ahead of him. He would get virtually no game time and his value would drop. Good deal for all partiesThat's not really the point I'm making. I just think a PL ready midfielder like Tim is worth a lot more than Dobbin - hence I think we got the worse end of the deal.
It's six of one in my opinion. Iroegbunam was never, ever going to get a regular run for us, so the £9m was decent money. Dobbin had actually played in more games for Everton than Tim had for us. It was very much a mutually convenient PSR deal.
Yeah, it's difficult to assess without knowing the details, but the £9m we got was worth a lot more to us if it got us over a line on PSR.
I think the proof in the pudding will be what happens to Dobbin in the next 18 months or so. If he ends up just hanging round and getting released, that's one thing. But for all we know we might make a good profit on him in the future.
Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2024, 11:02:04 AM
Post by: Risso on August 19, 2024, 12:08:47 PM
Same here from my mate. Said he was the best of a bad lot, and won every ball that came anywhere near him. Passing was shite but he got a good reception because they like a grafter.
Was he the same mate that told you Onana had a 50p head? ;)
Took less than four minutes to rubbish that one!
Not guilty your honour!
But as i have reported previously my Everton ST supporting mate says
1) He is not very good in the air for someone who is 6'5"
2) When he does head it its like his head is a 50p piece as it goes everywhere
He says what we will like is his telescopic legs that seem to come out of nowhere to retrieve the ball and surprisingly his extensive passing range, especially out to either flank
My Everton-supporting best mate says he's great in the air. I guess it's the same with us, take two fans and you'll get two different opinions. The stats seem to back up that he's good in the air though.
Who's your friend by the way, Stevie Wonder?! ;)
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2024, 01:08:57 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 19, 2024, 01:13:50 PM
Ah sorry, it's Hookey that needs to be hooked, then!
Viva Hookeysmith, Long live Hookeysmith, C'est magnifique, Hookeysmeeth.
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 19, 2024, 01:31:32 PM
Same here from my mate. Said he was the best of a bad lot, and won every ball that came anywhere near him. Passing was shite but he got a good reception because they like a grafter.
Was he the same mate that told you Onana had a 50p head? ;)
Took less than four minutes to rubbish that one!
That was me and my mate who said - to be fair he was about a foot off the line when he powered it in - once there it would of been harder to miss.
All the skill was in the run and the timing
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 19, 2024, 02:07:18 PM
Ah sorry, it's Hookey that needs to be hooked, then!
Viva Hookeysmith, Long live Hookeysmith, C'est magnifique, Hookeysmeeth.
Probably one for the TIL thread, but I always thought it was Rodney singing the theme tune and only found out recently that it’s actually the show’s co-writer, John Sullivan.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 19, 2024, 03:35:09 PM
Tim wouldn't play for us. Onana and kamara ahead of him. He would get virtually no game time and his value would drop. Good deal for all partiesThat's not really the point I'm making. I just think a PL ready midfielder like Tim is worth a lot more than Dobbin - hence I think we got the worse end of the deal.
We only signed dobbin to help them with their FFP position you scratch my back ill scratch yours type of scenerio.
Dobbin i guess was bought with idea loan to championship hope he smashes it then sell on for a profit next summer.
Timmy was never playing for us so i think it made sense to get rid. I think he is championship level tbh
Post by: danno on August 19, 2024, 06:08:12 PM
Ah sorry, it's Hookey that needs to be hooked, then!
Viva Hookeysmith, Long live Hookeysmith, C'est magnifique, Hookeysmeeth.
Probably one for the TIL thread, but I always thought it was Rodney singing the theme tune and only found out recently that it’s actually the show’s co-writer, John Sullivan.
co-writer?! I thought he wrote the whole thing.
Post by: Accent Guy on August 19, 2024, 06:13:51 PM
Ah sorry, it's Hookey that needs to be hooked, then!
Viva Hookeysmith, Long live Hookeysmith, C'est magnifique, Hookeysmeeth.
Probably one for the TIL thread, but I always thought it was Rodney singing the theme tune and only found out recently that it’s actually the show’s co-writer, John Sullivan.
co-writer?! I thought he wrote the whole thing.
He did. He wrote every single line from every episode in fact.
Post by: Dogtanian on August 19, 2024, 06:14:51 PM
Ah sorry, it's Hookey that needs to be hooked, then!
Viva Hookeysmith, Long live Hookeysmith, C'est magnifique, Hookeysmeeth.
Probably one for the TIL thread, but I always thought it was Rodney singing the theme tune and only found out recently that it’s actually the show’s co-writer, John Sullivan.
co-writer?! I thought he wrote the whole thing.
He did!
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2024, 06:15:29 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on August 19, 2024, 06:32:49 PM
This has the potential to be the new why didn't GaryBarry let the keeper parry the penalty.
Was Barry the tall or the short Chuckle Brother?
Post by: itbrvilla on August 19, 2024, 06:46:57 PM
Edit to add: whilst I don't want to let his price tag go to my head but given the significance of Man U signing Keane and Arse signing Viera, I hope he goes on to have a. Similar impact.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2024, 08:27:13 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 19, 2024, 10:37:40 PM
Got a lot of character, hard working, big, strong, and with a nice touch of class on top. First game reminded me of Viera or Keane.Looking forward to that battle next week already against 100m man Rice who is not twice the player Onana is!
Edit to add: whilst I don't want to let his price tag go to my head but given the significance of Man U signing Keane and Arse signing Viera, I hope he goes on to have a. Similar impact.
Post by: AV84 on August 19, 2024, 11:04:59 PM
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Post by: SaddVillan on August 31, 2024, 11:30:14 PM
Only needs one more goal for it to be the best goalscoring season of his career.
9 in 141 before joining Villa.
2 in 3 for us.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2024, 11:31:43 PM
Post by: Keeno on August 31, 2024, 11:43:32 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2024, 12:16:13 AM
Him and Youri might be my favourite midfield we’ve had in years, they compliment one another so well. Kamara coming back in makes that 3 a real champions league level midfield. Few better in the league or Europe.
Plus a fit JJ. McGinn will never start a game again! 😲.
Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2024, 12:20:17 AM
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2024, 12:26:06 AM
We weren't as fluid as we can be, but Leicester didn't lay a glove on us and we ought to have been 3 up at half time. No drama after they'd scored either.
The Duran song is a nice addition to the repertoire.
Post by: AV84 on September 01, 2024, 12:30:04 AM
Post by: Accent Guy on September 01, 2024, 12:48:52 AM
What's the Duran song? It's not that Murder on the Dance floor one, is it?
The same as the Kane one at the Euros.
Post by: Keeno on September 01, 2024, 05:45:20 AM
Him and Youri might be my favourite midfield we’ve had in years, they compliment one another so well. Kamara coming back in makes that 3 a real champions league level midfield. Few better in the league or Europe.
Plus a fit JJ. McGinn will never start a game again! 😲.
Well to be fair he’d probably still be an option out wide, but yeah, the depth is incredible. Haven’t even mentioned Barkley who we know is so talented, and brilliant yesterday.
Post by: Demitri_C on September 01, 2024, 07:14:14 AM
I cannot remember the last time we had a player like this. The man is a man mountain
Post by: Dogtanian on September 01, 2024, 11:16:47 AM
It’s still early days, but he’s slotted in nicely and adds some much needed physicality.
Post by: Dave on September 02, 2024, 04:03:42 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWetCFbWwAAle0K?format=jpg)
Post by: Demitri_C on September 02, 2024, 04:33:01 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 02, 2024, 04:53:08 PM
Having a nice time on the way to meeting up with the Belgium squad.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GWetCFbWwAAle0K?format=jpg)
I wonder if he likes The Ting Tings.
Post by: OCD on September 02, 2024, 05:27:35 PM
So take it the injury is nothing serious if he is with Belgium
I think it was just a dead leg.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2024, 07:58:40 PM
Post by: Louzie0 on September 02, 2024, 08:16:37 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 03, 2024, 08:43:48 AM
This has the potential to be the new why didn't GaryBarry let the keeper parry the penalty.
Was Barry the tall or the short Chuckle Brother?
Yes.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 03, 2024, 04:35:49 PM
“This is just a different style of football,” he said.
“We have to be at the club at half past nine. The training starts at eleven o’clock. We train for a long time. Unai Emery is truly a tactical freak. As a result, the training sessions can sometimes take a long time, but I prefer this.
“Here we play more on ball possession. You usually stay on the ball much longer. Sean Dyche wanted to see more direct football. Long balls. Lots of second balls. With the national team we also play a bit more on ball possession and I get the ball more. Suits me a little bit better.
“It is the fourth in the Premier League. With a top coach. With top players. It is a top club. I think I am where I should be. I made good use of the European Championships to take this step. I performed well there.”
Post by: LukeJames on September 03, 2024, 04:39:31 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 03, 2024, 04:42:06 PM
That's a lot of words to say Dyche is shit.
Haha, yeah, in a nutshell.
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 03, 2024, 05:19:38 PM
It’s early days for Onana yet, albeit he’s enjoyed a flying start to life at Villa Park, and he admits he’s noticed the step up from Everton straight away.That the way I used to play and I wasn't a footballer, might give Dyche a call
“This is just a different style of football,” he said.
“We have to be at the club at half past nine. The training starts at eleven o’clock. We train for a long time. Unai Emery is truly a tactical freak. As a result, the training sessions can sometimes take a long time, but I prefer this.
“Here we play more on ball possession. You usually stay on the ball much longer. Sean Dyche wanted to see more direct football. Long balls. Lots of second balls. With the national team we also play a bit more on ball possession and I get the ball more. Suits me a little bit better.
“It is the fourth in the Premier League. With a top coach. With top players. It is a top club. I think I am where I should be. I made good use of the European Championships to take this step. I performed well there.”
Post by: Villan82 on September 03, 2024, 05:39:49 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 03, 2024, 05:45:29 PM
It always happens, it's feckin' great. And he's right. Unai is a freak.
Post by: AV84 on September 03, 2024, 06:33:00 PM
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 03, 2024, 09:11:17 PM
Every good game he has for us (all of them so far) just seems to increase the number of Everton fans screeching "ah, he'll go to shit eventually." Bitter twats.
what leicester say about Youri.
Post by: Demitri_C on September 04, 2024, 08:16:07 AM
Post by: Keeno on September 04, 2024, 08:50:42 AM
My heart used to sink when Gregory or O'Neill signed another brick shithouse but this guy seems special (and I trust Emery with all kinds of shithouses, especially brick ones).
We have the extremely rare shithouse who is also world class with his feet at the no. 6/8. The list of these types of midfielders begins with Rodri and er... ends with Rodri? 50m is going to look cheap.
Post by: Smithy on September 04, 2024, 10:42:31 AM
It was precisely the sort of thing we saw him do in the highlight reels from his time at Everton, the difference was, Everton often did nothing with the ball when he won it for them. This time it resulted in a good chance, because he has better players around him.
I see that happening a lot more often this season. He's going to be brilliant for us!
Post by: danno on September 04, 2024, 10:52:24 AM
My heart used to sink when Gregory or O'Neill signed another brick shithouse but this guy seems special (and I trust Emery with all kinds of shithouses, especially brick ones).
I don’t remember Gregory signing many brick shithouses. Not in midfield anyway. Although now that I think about it George Boateng did break Gazza’s arm with just his face.
Post by: paul_e on September 04, 2024, 11:14:45 AM
Luiz is a loss but I do think we had players in Tielemans and Barkley who can cover a lot of that whereas no one offers the same as Onana. Kamara covers the defensive parts but doesn't have the same drive up the pitch.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 04, 2024, 11:15:57 AM
Something that I think was missed in the highlights at the weekend, was Onana's role in the move for Ollie's chance in the first few minutes (from the Tielemens pass), and how it all started with Amadou winning the ball when he had no right to. It was a simple pass from the Leicester centre back into the midfielder, but Onana sticks out one of his long legs and wins the ball extremely cleanly from the blind side.
It was precisely the sort of thing we saw him do in the highlight reels from his time at Everton, the difference was, Everton often did nothing with the ball when he won it for them. This time it resulted in a good chance, because he has better players around him.
I see that happening a lot more often this season. He's going to be brilliant for us!
Didn't he do similar in the cup game we lost to Everton for their first. Won the press (against Doug) but the difference was he then flicked it through for the attacker as well.
Post by: eamonn on September 04, 2024, 01:43:40 PM
Post by: eye digress on September 04, 2024, 06:15:37 PM
Something that I think was missed in the highlights at the weekend, was Onana's role in the move for Ollie's chance in the first few minutes (from the Tielemens pass), and how it all started with Amadou winning the ball when he had no right to. It was a simple pass from the Leicester centre back into the midfielder, but Onana sticks out one of his long legs and wins the ball extremely cleanly from the blind side.In the summer, one of my Bluescouse mates described precisely this attribute that he promised we would be getting with Onana - good spot!
It was precisely the sort of thing we saw him do in the highlight reels from his time at Everton, the difference was, Everton often did nothing with the ball when he won it for them. This time it resulted in a good chance, because he has better players around him.
I see that happening a lot more often this season. He's going to be brilliant for us!
Post by: enigma on September 04, 2024, 07:00:21 PM
Overall it was a decent telescopic-legs swap, Tim for Amadou.my Everton supporting mate says Tim has been their best player so far. Not sure what that says about Tim or the rest of the team though TBH.
Post by: Demitri_C on September 04, 2024, 07:13:28 PM
My heart used to sink when Gregory or O'Neill signed another brick shithouse but this guy seems special (and I trust Emery with all kinds of shithouses, especially brick ones).
I don’t remember Gregory signing many brick shithouses. Not in midfield anyway. Although now that I think about it George Boateng did break Gazza’s arm with just his face.
I think the last brickhouse we had was jedinak. He was massive then i can only think of boateng and nigel reo coker
Post by: thick_mike on September 04, 2024, 07:20:55 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 04, 2024, 07:24:37 PM
Another attribute he has that I think Emery is looking for is intelligence. He’s a bright eloquent lad, similar to Mings.
Yes.
Post by: Risso on September 04, 2024, 07:41:57 PM
Another attribute he has that I think Emery is looking for is intelligence. He’s a bright eloquent lad, similar to Mings.
Yes.
And good looking. I mean, I expect that that's not *that* high on Emery's list of requirements, although he has bought a few good looking lads.
Post by: IFWaters on September 05, 2024, 05:31:45 AM
What about a topless squad calendar for Christmas? That could raise a few quid.Another attribute he has that I think Emery is looking for is intelligence. He’s a bright eloquent lad, similar to Mings.
Yes.
And good looking. I mean, I expect that that's not *that* high on Emery's list of requirements, although he has bought a few good looking lads.
Post by: Dogtanian on September 05, 2024, 11:07:35 AM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/september/05/onana-nominated-for-pl-player-of-the-month/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/september/05/onana-nominated-for-pl-player-of-the-month/)
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 05, 2024, 11:14:28 AM
Another attribute he has that I think Emery is looking for is intelligence. He’s a bright eloquent lad, similar to Mings.
Yes.
And good looking. I mean, I expect that that's not *that* high on Emery's list of requirements, although he has bought a few good looking lads.
It feels we default to looks for male footballers far quicker than we do for female ones e.g. I haven't seen anyone here praising Adriana Leon for being beautiful. Perhaps I've gone woke.
Post by: VillaTim on September 05, 2024, 11:24:18 AM
i praised her and immediately said she was on another level to LehmanAnother attribute he has that I think Emery is looking for is intelligence. He’s a bright eloquent lad, similar to Mings.
Yes.
And good looking. I mean, I expect that that's not *that* high on Emery's list of requirements, although he has bought a few good looking lads.
It feels we default to looks for male footballers far quicker than we do for female ones e.g. I haven't seen anyone here praising Adriana Leon for being beautiful. Perhaps I've gone woke.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 05, 2024, 11:38:51 AM
It feels we default to looks for male footballers far quicker than we do for female ones e.g. I haven't seen anyone here praising Adriana Leon for being beautiful. Perhaps I've gone woke.
i praised her and immediately said she was on another level to Lehman
I wasn't including you as you're on the ball more than most.
Post by: Risso on September 05, 2024, 01:28:50 PM
Another attribute he has that I think Emery is looking for is intelligence. He’s a bright eloquent lad, similar to Mings.
Yes.
And good looking. I mean, I expect that that's not *that* high on Emery's list of requirements, although he has bought a few good looking lads.
It feels we default to looks for male footballers far quicker than we do for female ones e.g. I haven't seen anyone here praising Adriana Leon for being beautiful. Perhaps I've gone woke.
:)
Post by: LeeB on September 05, 2024, 01:30:21 PM
It feels we default to looks for male footballers far quicker than we do for female ones e.g. I haven't seen anyone here praising Adriana Leon for being beautiful. Perhaps I've gone woke.
i praised her and immediately said she was on another level to Lehman
I wasn't including you as you're on the ball more than most.
:D
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 05, 2024, 10:58:14 PM
It feels we default to looks for male footballers far quicker than we do for female ones e.g. I haven't seen anyone here praising Adriana Leon for being beautiful. Perhaps I've gone woke.
i praised her and immediately said she was on another level to Lehman
I wasn't including you as you're on the ball more than most.
*Googles Adriana Leon*
I like the cut of your jib. She’ll be please to know she gets the thumbs up from me!
Post by: Dogtanian on September 06, 2024, 12:55:31 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 08, 2024, 02:36:43 PM
Overall it was a decent telescopic-legs swap, Tim for Amadou.my Everton supporting mate says Tim has been their best player so far. Not sure what that says about Tim or the rest of the team though TBH.
He’s playing great, fair play to him. Hopefully he goes to pot on Saturday, then returns to the form that makes him a great advert for our academy.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 08, 2024, 03:36:37 PM
Post by: Mellin on September 08, 2024, 03:46:38 PM
Overall it was a decent telescopic-legs swap, Tim for Amadou.my Everton supporting mate says Tim has been their best player so far. Not sure what that says about Tim or the rest of the team though TBH.
He’s playing great, fair play to him. Hopefully he goes to pot on Saturday, then returns to the form that makes him a great advert for our academy.
Looks a case of horses for courses on both of them, doesn't it?
Think Tim and Onana are both better off for the deal. Villa definitely are. Everton...maybe not.
Post by: AV84 on September 08, 2024, 05:21:03 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 08, 2024, 05:39:52 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 08, 2024, 05:48:40 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 13, 2024, 09:22:54 AM
I read Emery used him there in pre season when Carlos was injured and he adapted well. I would suggest only for Everton and then bring in Swinkels or Bogarde for Wycombe next week.
Post by: OCD on September 13, 2024, 11:27:44 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 07:58:02 PM
Seemed he was impacted playing against his old club
Post by: rougegorge on September 14, 2024, 08:18:29 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 14, 2024, 08:21:16 PM
Bit he is still young he will get better and more consistent as season goes on
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 14, 2024, 08:21:52 PM
Post by: nigel on September 14, 2024, 08:24:00 PM
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2024, 08:24:58 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 14, 2024, 10:04:51 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 14, 2024, 10:09:47 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 14, 2024, 10:11:56 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 14, 2024, 10:13:51 PM
https://x.com/jusavfc/status/1835052437146620224?s=46
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 14, 2024, 10:16:14 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 14, 2024, 10:38:37 PM
Tielemans looked dodgy in his first few games for us remember.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 14, 2024, 10:42:23 PM
Had a poor half, it happens.
Tielemans looked dodgy in his first few games for us remember.
Even Kamara has been caught in a similar way and cost us goals a few times.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 14, 2024, 10:44:47 PM
Ah was just saying this myself regards players caught on the ball but to be fair it was very poor play that seen before from past midfielders but not what Onana acted. The way he went down and tried to win free kick that cost us the goal. The commentator Carragher suggested his pride and ego was hurt and was pretending to be injured which is actually quite a controversial statement.Had a poor half, it happens.
Tielemans looked dodgy in his first few games for us remember.
Even Kamara has been caught in a similar way and cost us goals a few times.
We've seen Dendocker and Kamara, Tielemans and even great Douglas Luiz lose the ball when a player tight on them so it's a learning process.
I thought Barkley should have started the match instead of Onana and Emery was quite within his rights to haul him off at half time.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 14, 2024, 10:45:40 PM
Post by: Risso on September 14, 2024, 10:47:19 PM
Andre?
A jocular reference to that reporter getting his name wrong. As seen with
Post by: Somniloquism on September 14, 2024, 10:50:09 PM
Ah was just saying this myself regards players caught on the ball but to be fair it was very poor play that seen before from past midfielders but not what Onana acted. The way he went down and tried to win free kick that cost us the goal. The commentator Carragher suggested his pride and ego was hurt and was pretending to be injured which is actually quite a controversial statement.
Did he say the same when Pickford went down?
I was pissed off with the ref sending him to the touchline though and not inviting him back on for ages. It was just after a goal, not during the play so seemed petty.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on September 17, 2024, 10:32:23 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 17, 2024, 10:39:08 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on September 17, 2024, 10:41:26 PM
That shot was so sweetly hit. I don’t think any of us saw his ability to score goals for us as a key trait. More helping to keep them out. It’s great to see his ability and more importantly his overall attitude. He’s been a superb addition.
Tielemans is doing well, but the thought of a fit again Kamara and Onana in central midfield is an interesting prospect.
Post by: Dave on September 17, 2024, 10:44:43 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 17, 2024, 10:53:01 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 17, 2024, 10:58:01 PM
Post by: AV84 on September 17, 2024, 11:00:05 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 12:38:36 AM
It was a contrast to Tielemans, who was excellent.
There were shades of good play when he carried the ball forward on occasion and brought about a yellow card, but his initial contribution was a foul or standing around coming towards the ball and not moving much thereafter.
It's noticeable his last two games since the international period haven't been as great for me.
Clumsy today in his control for handball, for Duran disallowed goal and actually thought Barkley deserved more minutes ahead of Onana.
Kind of got away with his performance today because of weak opposition and Tielemans showed the midfield ball dominance, but Amadou sometimes looks too me look very lumbering and out of touch. Still learning and only will improve but his availability without ball and positioning needs to be worked on.
Against Bayern Munich has to perform higher standards for me, and I'm sure Emery would say the same.
I demand more if he wants to keep ahead of Barkley.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 18, 2024, 01:14:33 AM
That shot was so sweetly hit. I don’t think any of us saw his ability to score goals for us as a key trait. More helping to keep them out. It’s great to see his ability and more importantly his overall attitude. He’s been a superb addition.
Tielemans is doing well, but the thought of a fit again Kamara and Onana in central midfield is an interesting prospect.
Tielemans is doing so well in his role now that it will be interesting to see what happens when Kamara is back fit. I imagine those 3 will play but I wouldn't want Youri's role changing too much. Fun times.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 18, 2024, 03:49:49 AM
Post by: Neil Hawkes on September 18, 2024, 09:25:10 AM
Once Onana is confident that his positioning only needs to be exactly what Emery has requested and not overthink it, as every other Emery conditioned player is doing, I believe these early hiccups will either disappear OR if Onana is unadaptable he will be sold an another brought in (reference: Diaby).
Post by: Risso on September 18, 2024, 09:33:05 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2024, 09:36:58 AM
Onana had a 92% pass completion rate, scored a goal, and was the only player other than Torres not to lose possession once. He had a great game.
Yeah but apart form that.... 😉
I like him, a lot, and think he is only going to get better under Emery. Exciting times.
Post by: Risso on September 18, 2024, 10:52:17 AM
Onana had a 92% pass completion rate, scored a goal, and was the only player other than Torres not to lose possession once. He had a great game.
Yeah but apart form that.... 😉
I like him, a lot, and think he is only going to get better under Emery. Exciting times.
Exactly. He's never going to be the sort to glide gracefully across the pitch like a ballerina, it's just not possible when you're as tall as he is. But he did exactly what he needed to do last night, and that gives Tielemans the structure to play his more expansive game. Although some of Onana's passing is actually getting to be a lot better than just 5 yard short passes to keep things ticking over. I think he's settled in really well, and it bodes well for the future. He's only just turned 23 as well.
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2024, 11:56:19 AM
He's not alone either, Rogers looks like he's living his best life since he came.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 06:00:33 PM
It's a bit cringe worthy. Must he ?
Post by: Villan For Life on September 18, 2024, 06:05:13 PM
I do wonder why he insists on the fist pump celebrations at the end with the fans. For me personally it's not his place to do that it's a managers thing or at least someone been at club longer than 5 mins.
It's a bit cringe worthy. Must he ?
If he continues to score regularly he can celebrate however he wants
Post by: Somniloquism on September 18, 2024, 06:10:02 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 06:13:43 PM
Post by: dicedlam on September 18, 2024, 06:17:43 PM
Why him though why not whole team. Martinez didn't look impressed at West Ham. McGinn not sure about it yesterday.
Why not?
If that's his way to connect with the fans then so be it. The supporters seem to enjoy it.
Leave the bloke alone FFS.
Post by: Randy Gurner on September 18, 2024, 06:31:35 PM
Why him though why not whole team. Martinez didn't look impressed at West Ham. McGinn not sure about it yesterday.
Serious question - have you ever attended a Villa game in real life Footy, old bean?
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 06:36:29 PM
All have our opinions.Why him though why not whole team. Martinez didn't look impressed at West Ham. McGinn not sure about it yesterday.
Why not?
If that's his way to connect with the fans then so be it. The supporters seem to enjoy it.
Leave the bloke alone FFS.
I just think the fist pumps like a cheer leader aren't his place. You don't that's simple and fair enough.
Post by: AV84 on September 18, 2024, 06:45:03 PM
Post by: oldtimernow on September 18, 2024, 06:48:14 PM
That shot was so sweetly hit. I don’t think any of us saw his ability to score goals for us as a key trait. More helping to keep them out. It’s great to see his ability and more importantly his overall attitude. He’s been a superb addition.
Tielemans is doing well, but the thought of a fit again Kamara and Onana in central midfield is an interesting prospect.
None shall pass or No pasaran as they might say to them
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 18, 2024, 06:53:18 PM
Larf.Why him though why not whole team. Martinez didn't look impressed at West Ham. McGinn not sure about it yesterday.
Serious question - have you ever attended a Villa game in real life Footy, old bean?
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 08:22:25 PM
Yes I have thank you.Larf.Why him though why not whole team. Martinez didn't look impressed at West Ham. McGinn not sure about it yesterday.
Serious question - have you ever attended a Villa game in real life Footy, old bean?
Post by: astonvilla82 on September 18, 2024, 08:30:50 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 18, 2024, 08:38:14 PM
Serious question - have you ever attended a Villa game in real life Footy, old bean?
It's common knowledge that Footy was at Chelsea away last year. There wasn't a peep out of the Headhunters that day.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 20, 2024, 01:19:19 AM
Serious question - have you ever attended a Villa game in real life Footy, old bean?
It's common knowledge that Footy was at Chelsea away last year. There wasn't a peep out of the Headhunters that day.
They couldn’t get a word in.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2024, 09:54:34 AM
In fairness, he did it once and the supporters are kind of insisting on it now. Personally, I found it a bit cringe seeing other clubs players and managers do it. Obviously now it's us it's ok, but I do think it may become a bit wearing if it's every win. But it will be difficult for Onana to get out of it now the fans have latched on.Why him though why not whole team. Martinez didn't look impressed at West Ham. McGinn not sure about it yesterday.
Why not?
If that's his way to connect with the fans then so be it. The supporters seem to enjoy it.
Leave the bloke alone FFS.
Post by: Clampy on September 20, 2024, 10:01:11 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 20, 2024, 10:19:44 AM
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2024, 10:19:48 AM
Post by: Olneythelonely on September 20, 2024, 10:54:14 AM
Post by: Clampy on September 20, 2024, 11:00:11 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 20, 2024, 12:26:44 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 20, 2024, 12:27:48 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 20, 2024, 12:27:55 PM
It’s a player celebrating, which means we’ve won a game. I love Onana, if he wants to engage with the fans, good on him. Give me that every time over bad tempered slinking off because we’ve lost.Absolutely. But be honest, didn't seeing Gary O'Neil do it make your toes curl a bit?
Post by: darren woolley on September 20, 2024, 01:26:09 PM
He’s been a superb addition to the club in every capacity. Ability, attitude and leadership. And he’s 22. Money very well spent. He’s only going to get better.
Totally agree.
Post by: Ads on September 20, 2024, 01:54:28 PM
That's the celebration police!
Duck and cover as the words "small" and "time" inevitably rain down on harmless fun, as Onana, in his way, connects with supporters.
Post by: LeeB on September 20, 2024, 02:02:27 PM
It's like it's attention seeking in some way.
Post by: Dogtanian on September 20, 2024, 03:02:42 PM
I don't blame him for trying to build up a connection with the fans and enjoying being applauded and supported.
I think this team is starting to look like a team that expects to win and is used to winning. That sort of mentality is often a key differentiator in football and one of the hardest things to create when trying to get your club to the top. If this is helping him with that then crack on.
Post by: Bad English on September 20, 2024, 03:08:20 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2024, 03:44:32 PM
Onana can make heart shapes with his hands and helicopter his cock through the hole for all I care. He's a Villa player and playing like one. He gets my full 110%.
He gets 100% of your 110%?
Or he gets 90.9090909091% of your 110%, so 100%?
Post by: Somniloquism on September 20, 2024, 03:57:54 PM
After the years where winning a game was a novel surprise I can't wait to be fed up of players and fans celebrating yet another win.
The original moan bout Onana is almost as bad as being upset at Digne for his "Another One" celebration in the tunnel.
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 20, 2024, 04:02:54 PM
Onana can make heart shapes with his hands and helicopter his cock through the hole for all I care. He's a Villa player and playing like one. He gets my full 110%.
He gets 100% of your 110%?
Or he gets 90.9090909091% of your 110%, so 100%?
God, you're so stupid. He said a full 110%. I agree with this sentiment a million percent. That's a lot.
Post by: Risso on September 20, 2024, 04:13:50 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 20, 2024, 04:22:15 PM
I think we need a separate player celebrations thread. I might start one, but first I'm just off to read the entire three word chain story thread in time wasters from the start.
I think we should move that in here. Change it's name to 'The Footy Thread, thread, Scorchioooo, What do You Think? Thread.'
Post by: Bad English on September 20, 2024, 07:06:57 PM
What?Onana can make heart shapes with his hands and helicopter his cock through the hole for all I care. He's a Villa player and playing like one. He gets my full 110%.
He gets 100% of your 110%?
Or he gets 90.9090909091% of your 110%, so 100%?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 20, 2024, 07:16:52 PM
Onana can make heart shapes with his hands and helicopter his cock through the hole for all I care. He's a Villa player and playing like one. He gets my full 110%.
He gets 100% of your 110%?
Or he gets 90.9090909091% of your 110%, so 100%?
God, you're so stupid. He said a full 110%. I agree with this sentiment a million percent. That's a lot.
"I've told you a million times, DO NOT EXAGGERATE!"
Post by: Bad English on September 20, 2024, 07:17:17 PM
I assume you have a day job.I think we need a separate player celebrations thread. I might start one, but first I'm just off to read the entire three word chain story thread in time wasters from the start.
I think we should move that in here. Change it's name to 'The Footy Thread, thread, Scorchioooo, What do You Think? Thread.'
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 21, 2024, 09:21:11 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 21, 2024, 09:33:32 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 21, 2024, 09:37:38 PM
As much as we’ve taken to him and he’s taken to us the jury is still very much out for me given the price tag.
Odd.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 21, 2024, 09:47:41 PM
Absolutely.As much as we’ve taken to him and he’s taken to us the jury is still very much out for me given the price tag.
Odd.
Won some great tackles in midfield today and is putting the ball in the net.
I'm not sure what more he's got to do.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 21, 2024, 09:54:43 PM
Post by: FatSam on September 21, 2024, 09:55:10 PM
Onana can make heart shapes with his hands and helicopter his cock through the hole for all I care. He's a Villa player and playing like one. He gets my full 110%.I’m here for that too.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2024, 11:05:26 PM
Carlos pass came up short. Onana doesn't react though.
Also, his act of petulance being annoyed being subbed and hitting his fist down isn't someone who understands yet the squad system.
Post by: Somniloquism on September 21, 2024, 11:10:39 PM
Post by: Dave P on September 21, 2024, 11:10:52 PM
Post by: Mister E on September 21, 2024, 11:50:12 PM
Blaming Onana for the wolves goal is a very odd taketotally. Sold well short.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 21, 2024, 11:53:51 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 22, 2024, 12:06:10 AM
Blaming Onana for the wolves goal is a very odd takeOnana did nothing wrong , the pass to him was woefully short , Emery will be furious with Carlos
Post by: Villafirst on September 22, 2024, 06:06:36 AM
Post by: Clampy on September 22, 2024, 07:54:23 AM
Post by: OCD on September 22, 2024, 12:30:02 PM
Post by: WassallVillain on September 22, 2024, 12:48:24 PM
The pass was short and misdirected. It was a good idea as Onana was well positioned to break the press and get us away up the pitch.Blaming Onana for the wolves goal is a very odd takeOnana did nothing wrong , the pass to him was woefully short , Emery will be furious with Carlos
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2024, 12:50:24 PM
Post by: The Edge on September 22, 2024, 02:46:19 PM
Well, having seen Carlos pass to him, I don't think he covers himself in glory, as he's not on his toes and hasn't the quickest reactions and said this about positioning in previous games.You must have been watching a different game.That goal was all down to a piss poor pass from Carlos. His poor distribution skills are the reason we will ship him out when the right offer comes in. He's a solid defender but our playing system requires defenders to be good on the ball too.
Carlos pass came up short. Onana doesn't react though.
Also, his act of petulance being annoyed being subbed and hitting his fist down isn't someone who understands yet the squad system.
Post by: jon collett on September 22, 2024, 02:55:55 PM
We’ve looked so much better in recent games with Barkley in the team instead of Onana.
Post by: Chris Smith on September 22, 2024, 03:13:37 PM
Lots of reason to criticise our lack of balance with him in the team and his lack of composure on the ball but I wouldn’t blame him for the goal.
We’ve looked so much better in recent games with Barkley in the team instead of Onana.
At times maybe but I thought Onana had a really strong game against Young Boys. Surely the whole point of having a deeper squad is to give the manager options both in the starting 11 and from the bench.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 22, 2024, 03:23:01 PM
Post by: Monty on September 22, 2024, 03:24:23 PM
I thought Onana was one of the better players yesterday before he went off, but quite right to sacrifice him for a more attacking player and nice that we have so many options to do so. Much better than a few years ago when our attacking change was always bring on whichever of Trezeguet/El Ghazi didn't start the game in place of the one that did.
It's so great that we're in a position where we can sub a good player playing well for tactical reasons.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 22, 2024, 03:39:39 PM
I remember Trez scored couple of goals then got a knee injury and was out for long period never got back into it.
El Ghazi improved season in season out and took wonderful penalties.
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2024, 06:50:53 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 22, 2024, 07:05:16 PM
Post by: Dave on September 22, 2024, 07:07:08 PM
I reckon it would have been interesting to see what Unai would have done with AEG. Although since that tweet his career has tanked.
Although he made it while he was barely getting a game for Mainz, so I think one could argue that it's just continuing along the same broad trajectory.
Post by: VillaTim on September 22, 2024, 07:27:17 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 22, 2024, 07:47:41 PM
No way is he to blame for the Carlos cock up , I think Carlos should have passed it to Konsa anyway.
I think he is a great signing and worth the money and cant wait for Kamara, Onana and Tielemans in midfield.
Post by: Mister E on September 22, 2024, 08:30:55 PM
El Ghazi and or Trez would be made into world beaters under EmeryThis is a little irrelevant to this thread - maybe we need another thread devoted to Trez and AEG.
I remember Trez scored couple of goals then got a knee injury and was out for long period never got back into it.
El Ghazi improved season in season out and took wonderful penalties.
And, given your earlier comment,
Carlos pass came up short. Onana doesn't react though..., you're batting on a sticky wicket. It's clear that Carlos screwed up in respect of the goal conceded.
I like that Emery removes Onana from the game when he thinks he needs to: it shows that the game is moving and shifting, and different finishers might be required.
Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2024, 09:11:28 AM
Post by: Dave P on September 23, 2024, 09:22:24 AM
I thought Onana was one of the better players yesterday before he went off, but quite right to sacrifice him for a more attacking player and nice that we have so many options to do so. Much better than a few years ago when our attacking change was always bring on whichever of Trezeguet/El Ghazi didn't start the game in place of the one that did.
Exactly this. We need to stop thinking that being brought off = having a bad game and not starting = dropped. We have a manager who knows the best situation at any time and, if it isn't working, can change it. Onana was decent on Saturday, but we needed to be 20 yards further up the pitch which Ross Barkley gives you. Keeping Onana on because he was playing ok, might not of won us the match.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 23, 2024, 09:42:58 AM
Could be excellent on his day, his day just wasn't regular enough for him to move up a gear. I reckon Unai would have probably addressed that.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 23, 2024, 09:44:20 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2024, 09:44:24 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 23, 2024, 09:50:11 AM
Exactly this. We need to stop thinking that being brought off = having a bad game and not starting = dropped. We have a manager who knows the best situation at any time and, if it isn't working, can change it. Onana was decent on Saturday, but we needed to be 20 yards further up the pitch which Ross Barkley gives you. Keeping Onana on because he was playing ok, might not of won us the match.
Spot on.
We also need to stop thinking about 'starters' and back ups, too.
We're playing at least 48 games this season, and almost certainly more than that, Emery's job is to get us through them, using the squad at his disposal. If he doesn't do that, we've no chance.
The way he uses Digne and Maatsen (i know it's only a handful of games) for example, or the fact he's not worried about taking Onana off if he wants to change our shape.
We have a manager who excels at changing his set up to handle the opponents of the day, both before a ball is kicked, and during the match. He needs a squad, not 11 'starters'.
Post by: OCD on September 23, 2024, 11:26:38 AM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 29, 2024, 04:02:51 PM
Far from odd, insipid performance again today.As much as we’ve taken to him and he’s taken to us the jury is still very much out for me given the price tag.
Odd.
Post by: TonyD on September 29, 2024, 04:25:18 PM
We were warned.
Post by: Villafirst on September 29, 2024, 04:27:36 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 29, 2024, 04:29:44 PM
Post by: Risso on September 29, 2024, 04:31:20 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 29, 2024, 04:46:39 PM
I can't believe some comments! One indifferent game and he's basically written off.One indifferent game, I suggest it’s been in excess of that.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 29, 2024, 04:52:54 PM
Post by: VillaTim on September 29, 2024, 05:03:01 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 29, 2024, 05:04:40 PM
Either way writing him off is idiotic. He was a bit off today, but the main problem was the entire right side - DC, Konsa, Bailey, and the Philogene were terrible defensively.Please confirm which posts have alluded to Onana “being written off”. I’m intrigued.
Post by: olaftab on September 29, 2024, 05:08:37 PM
Post by: rougegorge on September 29, 2024, 05:10:15 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 29, 2024, 05:11:06 PM
Either way writing him off is idiotic. He was a bit off today, but the main problem was the entire right side - DC, Konsa, Bailey, and the Philogene were terrible defensively.Please confirm which posts have alluded to Onana “being written off”. I’m intrigued.
Well the one you responded to referenced it and you didn’t challenge that statement, you just said it was more than one game.
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 29, 2024, 05:23:50 PM
One poster has also stated several times that he doesnt fit in and hasnt done since pre season. He’s completely entitled to this opinion, but this sounds to me like writing him off after 5 or 6 games, of which he’s been really good in at least 50% of them.Either way writing him off is idiotic. He was a bit off today, but the main problem was the entire right side - DC, Konsa, Bailey, and the Philogene were terrible defensively.Please confirm which posts have alluded to Onana “being written off”. I’m intrigued.
Well the one you responded to referenced it and you didn’t challenge that statement, you just said it was more than one game.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on September 29, 2024, 05:36:48 PM
Oh dear oh dear. Attention to detail somewhat lacking but not totally unexpected.Either way writing him off is idiotic. He was a bit off today, but the main problem was the entire right side - DC, Konsa, Bailey, and the Philogene were terrible defensively.Please confirm which posts have alluded to Onana “being written off”. I’m intrigued.
Well the one you responded to referenced it and you didn’t challenge that statement, you just said it was more than one game.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 29, 2024, 06:18:38 PM
I think Barkley is better in controlling games against helter-skelter oppositions like promoted teams. .
That’s the conundrum for me. Barkley will control possession way better but we’d risk losing the midfield battle completely. The athleticism and physicality of Onana, whilst not pretty, does keep us competitive and hard to play against.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 29, 2024, 07:17:42 PM
It showed today and has done a few times.
He is young and very talented, he should become hell of a player but he is not there yet.
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 29, 2024, 07:21:13 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 29, 2024, 07:49:19 PM
Oh dear oh dear. Attention to detail somewhat lacking but not totally unexpected.Either way writing him off is idiotic. He was a bit off today, but the main problem was the entire right side - DC, Konsa, Bailey, and the Philogene were terrible defensively.Please confirm which posts have alluded to Onana “being written off”. I’m intrigued.
Well the one you responded to referenced it and you didn’t challenge that statement, you just said it was more than one game.
Oooook….
Post by: paul_e on September 30, 2024, 10:40:23 AM
He was fine, I thought. Would have seven or eight players ahead of him if I was looking to criticise based on today's performance.
Agreed, he did a lot of the unseen 'water-carrier' work yesterday and most of his passes were the 5yards to the side, exactly as you'd expect for someone playing that part. He did give the bal laway a bit too much but that was a problem all through the team.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 02, 2024, 02:55:42 PM
It's been evident how much I missed Douglas Luiz in that role and from last season. And also Kamara.
Onana is not contributing enough with Bailey as an offensive player, and right back getting forward, he needs to understand positional play, which Douglas Luiz is masterful of, and Kamara is a natural.
Davies and Gnaby can cause a riot down that side. I mean, look at Ipswich down that side on Sunday.
I have big concerns that he's going to be shown up by technical players, especially getting anywhere near Musiala and the quick players like Davis and Sane, but I hope surely to goodness I'm wrong.
If he is awful tonight and still win or there is a teamate who is a clear match winner then he must be humble enough not to do that celebration.
Of course he'll be leading it if we win as he very much wat the limelight, and I'll have to accept Onana doing that fist pumping to the crowd as its for the occasion and people at ground it's all being n the moment grant that. It must be a lot of fun, but my concerns about him doing that celebration are in part due to earning the right.
He's not an established player yet at Villa and think really he no hero like Watkins but Onana is our record signing, so Amadou, show us that tonight and prove that you're cable to perform at a high level and consistently.
Emery will be saying the same.
In Spanish!
Post by: Olneythelonely on October 02, 2024, 02:58:26 PM
Emery will be saying the same.
In Spanish!
That’s quite good.
Post by: eye digress on October 23, 2024, 10:29:50 AM
Extra gold star for him.
Post by: Demitri_C on October 23, 2024, 10:39:00 AM
Post by: cdbearsfan on October 23, 2024, 11:16:02 AM
Post by: LeeB on October 23, 2024, 11:17:16 AM
I thought he was really good and was disappointed he went off, but it worked out okay and he seemed happy enough at the end, so no worries.
Yes, I thought he was excellent in that first half.
Post by: Ads on October 23, 2024, 11:22:57 AM
When you have Barkley and Kamara as options on the bench, no need to take the risk.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 23, 2024, 11:48:49 AM
Post by: jon collett on October 23, 2024, 12:23:00 PM
Emery mentioned a slight knock as well but the change was mostly tactical.
That's right and I thought we looked better again with Barkley. Although TBF I was pleasantly surprised with Onana at Fulham and last night.
When Kamara came on from my view high behind the goal you could see how his positioning improved the whole team. Always available and covering the centre halves when needed! I doubt he is far off starting again!
Post by: purpletrousers on October 24, 2024, 05:08:30 PM
I thought he was really good and was disappointed he went off, but it worked out okay and he seemed happy enough at the end, so no worries.
He seems incredibly happy on the ‘exclusive training footage’ on the club’s what’s app channel. Repeatedly frolicking like a lamb in a quite endearing way, in response to Pau’s back heel nutmeg of Youri, (while Y & SJM are piggies in the middle), also had chaos panda a-jumpin…
Post by: Legion on November 01, 2024, 01:51:47 PM
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZGdL1yKuw/
Post by: OCD on November 01, 2024, 04:40:39 PM
Post by: Dave on November 16, 2024, 06:10:04 PM
Post by: Tuscans on November 16, 2024, 06:27:48 PM
International matches should be played in the summer only. Quick qualifying rounds in a month and then a big tournament in the summer.
Post by: Risso on November 16, 2024, 06:34:39 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on November 16, 2024, 06:55:43 PM
Fuck international football and everything to do with it.
I may well be echoing those sentiments around this time tomorrow.
Post by: dorsetvillian on November 16, 2024, 07:09:06 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 16, 2024, 07:56:01 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 16, 2024, 08:31:42 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 16, 2024, 08:36:58 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 16, 2024, 09:18:30 PM
Why oh why didn't we pull our players like your Liverpools Arsenals and Chelsea did .
We did, Tielemans.
Post by: VillaTim on November 16, 2024, 10:04:06 PM
Not enough, we needed to rest them all bar RogersWhy oh why didn't we pull our players like your Liverpools Arsenals and Chelsea did .
We did, Tielemans.
Post by: Olneythelonely on November 16, 2024, 11:40:11 PM
Why oh why didn't we pull our players like your Liverpools Arsenals and Chelsea did .
You forgot to pluralise Chelsea. Shame.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on December 04, 2024, 09:43:07 AM
Post by: Risso on December 04, 2024, 09:49:48 AM
Can someone remind me, what is the nature of his current injury?
It was described as a foot injury picked up on international duty.
Post by: London Villan on December 04, 2024, 11:03:56 AM
Post by: Rigadon on December 04, 2024, 11:06:47 AM
Broken bone - 6 weeks?
Or the whole season if you're Jacob Ramsey!
Post by: AV82EC on December 04, 2024, 11:12:37 AM
Can someone remind me, what is the nature of his current injury?
It was described as a foot injury picked up on international duty.
I heard a torn small muscle in his foot and out for 2-3 weeks.
Post by: Risso on December 04, 2024, 11:29:05 AM
Post by: Drummond on December 04, 2024, 12:27:39 PM
It's been over 2 weeks already.
Let's hope he's back next then.... I really think our early season record run was due in large part to Onana. With Kamara back, and Onana not required to be so disciplined in the '6' role, I'm hoping he really shows what he can do.
Post by: cdbearsfan on December 04, 2024, 12:29:16 PM
Post by: Mister E on December 04, 2024, 01:58:26 PM
I'd say the chances of Kamara and Onana both going any significant amount of time without getting injured are slim, on the evidence so far.I'd expect that comment from Eamonn (c.f. the Emery thread), not from you!
Post by: UK Redsox on December 05, 2024, 02:51:43 PM
The other players were greeting him like they hadn't seen him for ages.
Warm weather recuperation ?
Post by: Demitri_C on December 05, 2024, 05:26:42 PM
Post by: Dave on December 21, 2024, 05:12:59 PM
Post by: PhilVill on December 21, 2024, 05:27:47 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 21, 2024, 05:32:24 PM
His height also helped with set pieces. Its unbelievable to think he is only 23.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 21, 2024, 05:52:16 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 21, 2024, 06:11:36 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on December 21, 2024, 06:15:04 PM
I’m so glad he’s back, we’ve missed him and I’ve been so excited to see him play alongside Kamara with Tielemans further forward and it seemed to work a treat.
Youri was so much better in this position you could see. His best game for us
Post by: The Edge on December 21, 2024, 06:19:20 PM
Our entire midfield was superb today. Any one of them would deserve motm but Tielemans was different gravy today. The dogs bollocks.I’m so glad he’s back, we’ve missed him and I’ve been so excited to see him play alongside Kamara with Tielemans further forward and it seemed to work a treat.
Youri was so much better in this position you could see. His best game for us
Post by: LeeB on December 21, 2024, 06:36:41 PM
Having Onana with Kamara seemed to take the shackles of the whole team to play, Torres as well was able to his stuff in comfort as well.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 21, 2024, 06:41:46 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on December 21, 2024, 06:59:18 PM
I’m so glad he’s back, we’ve missed him and I’ve been so excited to see him play alongside Kamara with Tielemans further forward and it seemed to work a treat.
Frustrating that he's been injured so much this season, as I think that he looks quality and is only 23 to boot. The number of times those long legs make tackles and interceptions, mean we win the ball back more quickly and then can hit teans on the counter.
Post by: Ian. on December 21, 2024, 07:15:17 PM
I’m so glad he’s back, we’ve missed him and I’ve been so excited to see him play alongside Kamara with Tielemans further forward and it seemed to work a treat.
Frustrating that he's been injured so much this season, as I think that he looks quality and is only 23 to boot. The number of times those long legs make tackles and interceptions, mean we win the ball back more quickly and then can hit teans on the counter.
Yep, we’ve really missed his presence in midfield, if we keep him fit, him and Kamara could be great duo. Dougie and Kamara were ace together and we’ve missed that combination, this however very different could still be just as influential.
Post by: OCD on December 22, 2024, 11:18:10 AM
For those highlighting his age, see also Rogers and Duran. To a lesser degree, you can add Maatsen and maybe Nedeljkovic in time.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 22, 2024, 11:32:05 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 12, 2025, 12:43:33 PM
https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1878004170361639224
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 12, 2025, 01:12:18 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 12, 2025, 01:27:52 PM
Does Pravda do this live post-match coverage after every game? Fair play if so, it's TV broadcast quality in terms of content and production.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 12, 2025, 01:34:02 PM
Does Pravda do this live post-match coverage after every game? Fair play if so, it's TV broadcast quality in terms of content and production.
Full version here. (Skip to 10 mins for the broadcast to actually start).
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1djxXrlQlWeGZ
Post by: Somniloquism on January 12, 2025, 01:36:31 PM
https://x.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1877844859148779946
Post by: Billy Walker on January 12, 2025, 01:46:16 PM
Quite sweet how McInally treats him like a beloved nephew (Dad's aren't as outwardly proud of their sons in company, right?).
Does Pravda do this live post-match coverage after every game? Fair play if so, it's TV broadcast quality in terms of content and production.
Not sure about post-match but they do a pre-match show for every home league fixture which is very well put together. I'm amazed the Club doesn't advertise it more, to be honest, as I only just happened to stumble upon it a week or two ago.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on January 12, 2025, 01:50:11 PM
Forget he’s only 23, so stacks of room for improvement for a player in his position. Interesting he’s already matched the 4 goals he scored in his Everton career this season, in 19 games for versus 72 for Everton.
Very hopeful he’ll be a top player for us for many years and the £50m price will look like money well spent.
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 12, 2025, 02:29:12 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 12, 2025, 02:32:09 PM
What was the 1000 yard death stare into the holte when he scored ?
Him being happy he scored at Villa Park.
Post by: andyh on January 12, 2025, 02:36:17 PM
I really like this fella. Seems intelligent and genuine.He is incredibly intelligent. Certainly a young man with his head screwed on.
Forget he’s only 23, so stacks of room for improvement for a player in his position. Interesting he’s already matched the 4 goals he scored in his Everton career this season, in 19 games for versus 72 for Everton.
Very hopeful he’ll be a top player for us for many years and the £50m price will look like money well spent.
Post by: Toronto Villa on January 14, 2025, 01:19:01 PM
https://x.com/wearevillans_/status/1878886217024213198?s=46
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 14, 2025, 01:22:39 PM
I also like that each time he has been injured he still attends all games and can be seen in the dug out pre match speaking with fans and other players
Post by: Drummond on January 14, 2025, 02:16:13 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 18, 2025, 09:08:46 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 18, 2025, 09:22:48 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 18, 2025, 09:30:37 PM
Bloke is made of glass .
This was my worry when we signed him. He has had injury issues at everton. For 50m he seems to spend a lot of time on the treatment table - unlike luiz
Post by: VillaTim on January 18, 2025, 10:04:18 PM
How many weeks has he missed already ! Assume another couple out now minimum .Bloke is made of glass .
This was my sorry when we signed him. He has had injury issues at everton. For 50m he seems to spend a lot of time on the treatment table - unlike luiz
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 18, 2025, 10:07:24 PM
Bloke is made of glass .
This was my sorry when we signed him. He has had injury issues at everton. For 50m he seems to spend a lot of time on the treatment table - unlike luiz
“For 50m”?
Would costing less money make him less prone to injuries then?
Post by: Demitri_C on January 18, 2025, 10:07:31 PM
Post by: AV82EC on January 18, 2025, 10:12:07 PM
Post by: andyh on January 18, 2025, 10:20:59 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 18, 2025, 10:21:57 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on January 18, 2025, 10:30:52 PM
Can’t quite grasp the pertinence of that remark. Putting that to one side , my concern is that even when he plays the odd full 90 mins he only plays in fits and starts. Would love him to be the type of player that takes the game by the scruff of its neck from the off and duly dictate proceedings. Based on what I’ve seen , I don’t think he’s got that him in.Bloke is made of glass .
This was my sorry when we signed him. He has had injury issues at everton. For 50m he seems to spend a lot of time on the treatment table - unlike luiz
“For 50m”?
Would costing less money make him less prone to injuries then?
Post by: Brend'Watkins on January 18, 2025, 10:39:09 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 18, 2025, 10:47:01 PM
He seemed happy enough in the post-match celebrations, so maybe it isn't a bad one. Glad that Bogarde did so well in his place.
Bogarde stepping up might be the big win from today.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 18, 2025, 11:26:36 PM
Bloke is made of glass .
This was my sorry when we signed him. He has had injury issues at everton. For 50m he seems to spend a lot of time on the treatment table - unlike luiz
“For 50m”?
Would costing less money make him less prone to injuries then?
I think the pertinent question is why did we spend £50m on Ramsey in the past with him being so injury prone as well.
Post by: VillaTim on January 18, 2025, 11:31:01 PM
We didn't .Bloke is made of glass .
This was my sorry when we signed him. He has had injury issues at everton. For 50m he seems to spend a lot of time on the treatment table - unlike luiz
“For 50m”?
Would costing less money make him less prone to injuries then?
I think the pertinent question is why did we spend £50m on Ramsey in the past with him being so injury prone as well.
Post by: FatSam on January 18, 2025, 11:31:35 PM
I think Luiz has been injured quite a lot for Juventus this season.Bloke is made of glass .
This was my worry when we signed him. He has had injury issues at everton. For 50m he seems to spend a lot of time on the treatment table - unlike luiz
Post by: tomd2103 on January 19, 2025, 11:52:20 AM
Post by: supertom on January 19, 2025, 11:57:47 AM
But yeah, the injuries are frustrating. I'm just hoping he gets a sustained period soon where he stays fit and he can string together some good form. Because as we saw with Leon last season, it can be as simple as just being fit and raring to go every week.
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2025, 12:01:02 PM
He looked more at home in midfield than his previous too positions. We may have an ideal cover now for Kamara or Onana when required.He seemed happy enough in the post-match celebrations, so maybe it isn't a bad one. Glad that Bogarde did so well in his place.Bogarde stepping up might be the big win from today.
Post by: eye digress on January 19, 2025, 12:18:48 PM
I thought he did pretty well last night for the time he was on the pitch.
But it’s not the first time that he’s had to be withdrawn just as the tide of the game is turning against us (Everton home, Wolves, last night and maybe one or two others I can’t recall right now).
Is he genuinely injury prone? Or is it just (as is suspected with Bailey, McGinn and Watkins) the effect of coming into the season with niggles that never quite resolve?
Or worse, is it a mental issue? I ask this because it often seems to be the player who instigates the withdrawal, and you get the feeling Unai isn’t totally on the same page (tends to leave him on the field for a while bleating and clutching his thigh, calf, etc.).
Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s a fine player, likeable, well spoken, great all round attributes, credit to the club. Just something’s not quite right.
Post by: VillaTim on January 19, 2025, 12:23:30 PM
Post by: olaftab on January 19, 2025, 12:29:56 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 19, 2025, 12:34:28 PM
Post by: Clampy on January 19, 2025, 01:00:25 PM
Post by: KevinGage on January 19, 2025, 01:19:52 PM
Plus switching to a different style of football and working under a more exacting manager may all play a part.
But for such a big unit he doesn't half spend a lot of the time rolling around on the pitch. Or getting carried off it.
Post by: tomd2103 on January 19, 2025, 01:33:44 PM
Amadou was very good at the start of the season when we needed him. Hopefully he will be back soon and contribute hugely to rest of the season. Long term he’s perfectly the sort of player that Al-Ittifaq/Hilal/Aihl etec etc need at mere £60M.
Think that's the frustration really. I think he's looked good at times and is exactly the kind of player we've needed in central midfield for a long time.
Post by: OCD on January 19, 2025, 01:50:52 PM
Post by: CT Villan on January 19, 2025, 04:07:41 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 19, 2025, 04:38:13 PM
In the US, NBC had the abysmal Peter Drury and Graham Le Saux on comms, who I swear both called him Andre Onana during the game. Drury, I'm not remotely surprised, but Le Saux is usually better than that.
As the people who get Philogene’s name wrong would say, what’s wrong with that?
Post by: Somniloquism on January 19, 2025, 04:39:25 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 19, 2025, 07:46:55 PM
In the US, NBC had the abysmal Peter Drury and Graham Le Saux on comms, who I swear both called him Andre Onana during the game. Drury, I'm not remotely surprised, but Le Saux is usually better than that.
As the people who get Philogene’s name wrong would say, what’s wrong with that?
Yeah because thats the same mixing another black player to another player is the same as spelling someones surname or first name wrong is the same.
Ridiculous 😂
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on January 19, 2025, 07:59:02 PM
In the US, NBC had the abysmal Peter Drury and Graham Le Saux on comms, who I swear both called him Andre Onana during the game. Drury, I'm not remotely surprised, but Le Saux is usually better than that.
As the people who get Philogene’s name wrong would say, what’s wrong with that?
Yeah because thats the same mixing another black player to another player is the same as spelling someones surname or first name wrong is the same.
Ridiculous 😂
It wasn't about spelling his name wrong, it was about using a name he doesn't use anymore. But you know this.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2025, 12:27:32 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 20, 2025, 12:49:20 AM
In the US, NBC had the abysmal Peter Drury and Graham Le Saux on comms, who I swear both called him Andre Onana during the game. Drury, I'm not remotely surprised, but Le Saux is usually better than that.
As the people who get Philogene’s name wrong would say, what’s wrong with that?
Yeah because thats the same mixing another black player to another player is the same as spelling someones surname or first name wrong is the same.
Ridiculous 😂
I have no idea what that means.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 20, 2025, 12:51:56 AM
Either way, it's completely disrespectful. I can understand why someone would do it because they were unaware of the name change. Being aware and choosing to do it anyway is just twatty behaviour, I've no idea what people got out of that.
Maybe they’re really self-deprecating and it was a subtle way to let the rest of us know they’re extremely stupid. That’s what I took from it anyway.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 20, 2025, 09:14:44 AM
Either way, it's completely disrespectful. I can understand why someone would do it because they were unaware of the name change. Being aware and choosing to do it anyway is just twatty behaviour, I've no idea what people got out of that. Even less doubling down and getting annoyed when people asked them to stop.
My names been spelt wrong on various occasions on here it doesnt offend me to be honest.
I think its very hard to prove if has done deliberately though thats the issue. Unless someone openly admits it how do we know?
Post by: Drummond on January 20, 2025, 09:41:08 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 20, 2025, 11:22:54 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on January 20, 2025, 01:24:40 PM
I said a while ago my Toffee ST mate said he was a great player but had glass legs - may be some truth in it sadly
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2025, 01:27:49 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 20, 2025, 01:31:28 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 20, 2025, 02:48:56 PM
He's a different beast to Dougie but on the whole, Luiz is better. So if Juve are up for a swap, let's do it.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 20, 2025, 04:19:14 PM
Its not that hard to understand as you examples are ridiculous but hey hoEither way, it's completely disrespectful. I can understand why someone would do it because they were unaware of the name change. Being aware and choosing to do it anyway is just twatty behaviour, I've no idea what people got out of that. Even less doubling down and getting annoyed when people asked them to stop.
My names been spelt wrong on various occasions on here it doesnt offend me to be honest.
You being offended by bad spelling would be like Tiny Tommy Two-names being offended by someone else’s Islamophobia.
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 20, 2025, 04:38:56 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 20, 2025, 04:59:25 PM
Also, if I accidentally misspelled your name and you corrected me, I'd make sure I got it right next time. I wouldn't double down on it and slag you off for letting me know.
Exception for anyone called 'Gregg'.
Post by: Demitri_C on January 20, 2025, 05:31:23 PM
Its not that hard to understand as you examples are ridiculous but hey hoEither way, it's completely disrespectful. I can understand why someone would do it because they were unaware of the name change. Being aware and choosing to do it anyway is just twatty behaviour, I've no idea what people got out of that. Even less doubling down and getting annoyed when people asked them to stop.
My names been spelt wrong on various occasions on here it doesnt offend me to be honest.
You being offended by bad spelling would be like Tiny Tommy Two-names being offended by someone else’s Islamophobia.
No idea what this means- just very wierd
Also, if I accidentally misspelled your name and you corrected me, I'd make sure I got it right next time. I wouldn't double down on it and slag you off for letting me know.
Yeah but that i actually agree with. If its done as a wind up that's different and understandable to find disrespectful But as i said how do you know they done it deliberately?
I once accidentally typed mongs instead of mings and some posters thought it was done deliberately. I love our tyrone 😍
Post by: usav on January 20, 2025, 05:38:29 PM
Hamstring. No confirmation of time out but a few weeks, at best, I imagine.
Hamstrings must be in a different part of the body from when I was playing. I swear he was clutching at his ankle/calf area when he went down on Saturday.
Post by: paul_e on January 20, 2025, 06:30:00 PM
Its not that hard to understand as you examples are ridiculous but hey hoEither way, it's completely disrespectful. I can understand why someone would do it because they were unaware of the name change. Being aware and choosing to do it anyway is just twatty behaviour, I've no idea what people got out of that. Even less doubling down and getting annoyed when people asked them to stop.
My names been spelt wrong on various occasions on here it doesnt offend me to be honest.
You being offended by bad spelling would be like Tiny Tommy Two-names being offended by someone else’s Islamophobia.
No idea what this means- just very wierdAlso, if I accidentally misspelled your name and you corrected me, I'd make sure I got it right next time. I wouldn't double down on it and slag you off for letting me know.
Yeah but that i actually agree with. If its done as a wind up that's different and understandable to find disrespectful But as i said how do you know they done it deliberately?
I once accidentally typed mongs instead of mings and some posters thought it was done deliberately. I love our tyrone 😍
Some posters last summer were outright told that he'd stopped using the Bidace part of his name, and why, and still insisted on either calling him Bidace instead of Philogene or carried on using JPB. They knew exactly what they were doing and it's just really fucking weird.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on January 20, 2025, 07:05:19 PM
Its not that hard to understand as you examples are ridiculous but hey hoEither way, it's completely disrespectful. I can understand why someone would do it because they were unaware of the name change. Being aware and choosing to do it anyway is just twatty behaviour, I've no idea what people got out of that. Even less doubling down and getting annoyed when people asked them to stop.
My names been spelt wrong on various occasions on here it doesnt offend me to be honest.
You being offended by bad spelling would be like Tiny Tommy Two-names being offended by someone else’s Islamophobia.
No idea what this means- just very wierd
It means you’re really bad at spelling. The fact that you don’t know what it means means you’re really bad at simple comprehension. Or you don’t know that Tiny Tommy is Islamophobic. Which would mean you’re really bad at spotting Islamophobes.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 20, 2025, 07:19:34 PM
My names been spelt wrong on various occasions on here
That's because you've got a stupid foreign name, mate, Dameeetro or whatever you're called*
* obviously, I'm only joking, spelling - and if relevant, pronouncing - the foreign names of people I work with correctly is a pet thing of mine, and it pisses me off when some of my colleagues are still getting it wrong for people they've worked with for 10 years.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 20, 2025, 07:51:34 PM
* obviously, I'm only joking, spelling - and if relevant, pronouncing - the foreign names of people I work with correctly is a pet thing of mine, and it pisses me off when some of my colleagues are still getting it wrong for people they've worked with for 10 years.
Your Mexican colleague, Tlāhuizcalpantecuhtli, really appreciates it.
Post by: Beard82 on January 20, 2025, 07:56:46 PM
I have dysleixa - I really struggle with peoples names. We have 4 friends / famliy members that have similar names for there kids - no matter how hard I try I cant get them right.* obviously, I'm only joking, spelling - and if relevant, pronouncing - the foreign names of people I work with correctly is a pet thing of mine, and it pisses me off when some of my colleagues are still getting it wrong for people they've worked with for 10 years.
Your Mexican colleague, Tlāhuizcalpantecuhtli, really appreciates it.
Post by: CT Villan on January 20, 2025, 08:05:32 PM
Your Mexican colleague, Tlāhuizcalpantecuhtli, really appreciates it.
As does Eygló Ósk Gústafsdóttir from the Kjálkafjarðartungur office.
Post by: brontebilly on January 20, 2025, 11:26:14 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on January 21, 2025, 07:43:59 AM
I get the sense Emery hasn't been overly impressed with Onana so far. Niggling injuries are disrupting any momentum. He's well able to win a ball and useful in both boxes which we needed. But he's limited enough in possession, certainly nowhere near Luiz level. Kamara's doing a lot of heavy lifting in our midfield since he came back from injury.Agree a completely different player to Luiz, and his unavailability is becoming a problem as we can not settle the midfield.
Kamara had to move to the left to accommodate Bogarde against Arsenal.
Apparently he was similar at Everton and some were suggesting he is not exactly robust.
Post by: Footy-Vill on January 22, 2025, 11:27:26 PM
Bring back Douglas Luiz!
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 23, 2025, 01:58:33 AM
Post by: Villafirst on January 31, 2025, 03:29:54 PM
Post by: martin o`who?? on January 31, 2025, 03:51:55 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 31, 2025, 03:52:41 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2025, 03:53:26 PM
Wasn't it supposed to be a calf injury?
I smell cowshit.
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 04:12:56 PM
Wasn't it supposed to be a calf injury?
I smell cowshit.
It's hard to see him heifer getting a long run in the side.
Post by: Monty on January 31, 2025, 04:14:06 PM
Wasn't it supposed to be a calf injury?
I smell cowshit.
It's hard to see him heifer getting a long run in the side.
You got beef with him?
Post by: Dave on January 31, 2025, 04:16:10 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 31, 2025, 04:17:09 PM
Post by: Tayls_7 on January 31, 2025, 04:19:23 PM
Wasn't it supposed to be a calf injury?
I smell cowshit.
It's hard to see him heifer getting a long run in the side.
You got beef with him?
I hate these rumours. Ruminate.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2025, 04:20:35 PM
Post by: Scratchins on January 31, 2025, 04:21:42 PM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on January 31, 2025, 04:25:32 PM
Let's moove on
How dairy you!
Post by: Pete3206 on January 31, 2025, 05:13:02 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on January 31, 2025, 05:13:45 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on January 31, 2025, 06:02:21 PM
Post by: IFWaters on January 31, 2025, 06:07:09 PM
The women's deadline expires today so I reckon if Luiz was going anywhere it would already be happening/have happened by now, unless he's planning to ditch her.I'd give her a shoulder to cry on.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 31, 2025, 08:36:38 PM
Let's moove on
How dairy you!
I think his calf was only grazed anyway.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 01, 2025, 08:33:37 PM
Post by: Steve67 on February 01, 2025, 08:37:26 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 01, 2025, 08:43:13 PM
It's his first season playing at this level and will hopefully come good. A lot of money for what might be considered something of a punt but I think he will come good. Looks like he played within himself tonight, not hugely dynamic and kept his passes short. I wondered whether he is 100% fit.
He spent most his time when he came on playing no risk one twos with Konsa. Nowhere near the level we need in terms of drive, dynamism, technical ability and resilience. Crying on the ground five minutes from the end when we needed to get a move on.
Post by: Goldenballs on February 01, 2025, 08:46:19 PM
I'd swap him for Luiz in a heartbeat.
Post by: villa for life on February 01, 2025, 08:47:04 PM
It's his first season playing at this level and will hopefully come good. A lot of money for what might be considered something of a punt but I think he will come good. Looks like he played within himself tonight, not hugely dynamic and kept his passes short. I wondered whether he is 100% fit.
He spent most his time when he came on playing no risk one twos with Konsa. Nowhere near the level we need in terms of drive, dynamism, technical ability and resilience. Crying on the ground five minutes from the end when we needed to get a move on.
Everton fans said the same about him. They couldn’t believe we paid so much
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 01, 2025, 09:33:41 PM
Post by: dorsetvillian on February 01, 2025, 10:08:59 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2025, 08:34:47 AM
He needs a run of games with Kamran for both fitness and creating a partnership. I can't remember a season being so disjointed with regard to injuries and establishing partnerships.I hope this is the case, but he seems injury prone and pretty ineffective.
Post by: ozzjim on February 02, 2025, 08:37:02 AM
Drifts in and out of games, often invisible.
Constantly picks up niggly injuries.
I don't think either of those observations are inaccurate so far. Has huge potential, should be much better with the tools he has. We overpaid by about £15 million I reckon.
Post by: Clampy on February 02, 2025, 08:42:10 AM
Post by: saint13 on February 02, 2025, 08:53:06 AM
He has all the attributes to be a top player. He has a fantastic physique. You look at him and think he could be a cross beween Patrick Viera and Roy Keane, (what palyer that would be). Sadly he is not. He should be really imposing himself on the game, instead he is very neat and tidy and makes a lot of safe passes, (stat padding I think they call it).
He is also very brittle by the looks if thinks.
Unfortuntely, it might be a case of him being a man mountain with a heart of a pea.
Whilst I have not given up hope yet but I think he is reverting to type.
Post by: Ian. on February 02, 2025, 09:26:30 AM
Post by: andyh on February 02, 2025, 09:32:14 AM
He is playing in a team what is the very definition of inconsistent this season.
Get him a team that wins 4 or 5 on the bounce and turns the softest of players into lions.
Bailey last season being the perfect example.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 02, 2025, 10:07:34 AM
Then again, its the lack of 'stuff' that is so hard to fathom.
Post by: tomd2103 on February 02, 2025, 11:58:19 AM
So far, he isn't what I thought we were getting, a decent defensive player but with the ability, and physique, to make driving runs late into the box to get on the end of stuff.
Then again, its the lack of 'stuff' that is so hard to fathom.
That is the kind of player we need to play alongside Kamara in midfield. I don't think he's played enough really to make a proper judgment on him, bit one thing I've noticed when he has played well is that we win the ball back quicker and higher up the pitch.
Hopefully he can put a run of games together over the coming months and show what he's capable of.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2025, 12:04:26 PM
He definitely needs a run of games. But he needs a run of games where the team goes on a winning run, to really boost him.It’s chicken and egg, he is not getting a run of games because he keeps getting injured, we can not get a winning run together because players like Onana are not there to provide a consistent platform of performance.
He is playing in a team what is the very definition of inconsistent this season.
Get him a team that wins 4 or 5 on the bounce and turns the softest of players into lions.
Bailey last season being the perfect example.
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2025, 12:22:41 PM
Post by: jwarry on February 02, 2025, 12:24:20 PM
He cost more than we sold Dougie for, seems arse about tit. He doesn't progress us up the field and he isn't a natural with the ball at his feet. His aerial ability and long-leg poking the ball away from an opponent isn't enough to make up for what we've lost in midfield.
I’m sure Unai is working on him as we speak
Post by: Demitri_C on February 02, 2025, 12:45:45 PM
Everton fans in the summer said:
Drifts in and out of games, often invisible.
Constantly picks up niggly injuries.
I don't think either of those observations are inaccurate so far. Has huge potential, should be much better with the tools he has. We overpaid by about £15 million I reckon.
Thats how i would summarise his game yesterday.
Agree massively overpaid. 30-35m at most. Thats on monchi agreeing to pay that fee.
Post by: jon collett on February 02, 2025, 01:41:29 PM
He cost more than we sold Dougie for, seems arse about tit. He doesn't progress us up the field and he isn't a natural with the ball at his feet. His aerial ability and long-leg poking the ball away from an opponent isn't enough to make up for what we've lost in midfield.
Exactly. Pretty much what I’ve said about him from the first time I saw him in Dortmund. And it’s affected our style of play,
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 03, 2025, 01:23:52 AM
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2025, 12:15:32 PM
He’ll be fine I reckon. I like him but he does need strengthening up, which I hope they will be working on in the background. We do play better when he’s having a good game and once our back four is settled he’ll be great.
Yep, agree with this.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 03, 2025, 01:09:54 PM
He’ll be fine I reckon. I like him but he does need strengthening up, which I hope they will be working on in the background. We do play better when he’s having a good game and once our back four is settled he’ll be great.
Yep, agree with this.
Screening a settled and balanced back 4 he will be great - the defence is the key
Post by: Steve67 on February 03, 2025, 01:14:22 PM
He’ll be fine I reckon. I like him but he does need strengthening up, which I hope they will be working on in the background. We do play better when he’s having a good game and once our back four is settled he’ll be great.
Yep, agree with this.
Screening a settled and balanced back 4 he will be great - the defence is the key
I think this is right. A defence that we can rely on should free those in front of them to concentrate on doing their own jobs instead of being pointed at and berated by Ezri bleedin Konsa!
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2025, 10:25:30 PM
Like others have said he doesn't play so comfortably with his feet.
I don't think he has the technics , or the positional play that's required.
I haven't taken to him whatsoever and it seems he was literally signed because of his size and that itself brings the physicality.
He's not adept at taking ball in tight spaces and I don't know what he brings to the midfield outside of his size.
Lets see how he gets on second half of season.
Post by: achilles on February 09, 2025, 04:58:15 PM
Post by: Rigadon on February 09, 2025, 04:59:08 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 09, 2025, 05:10:25 PM
Surprise, surprise, I presume he is injured AGAIN due to his absence from the team today?
Who knows what is going on with him. Might be that he is having terrible luck with injuries, but it is getting frustrating.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 09, 2025, 05:24:12 PM
Very frustrating
Post by: eamonn on February 09, 2025, 05:31:13 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on February 09, 2025, 05:32:49 PM
Post by: Paul.S on February 09, 2025, 08:34:28 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 09, 2025, 08:39:46 PM
He's played 44% of minutes available this season. Rubbish.
He’s injured - it happens.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 09, 2025, 08:58:06 PM
Post by: villa for life on February 09, 2025, 09:08:23 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on February 09, 2025, 09:10:52 PM
He's played 44% of minutes available this season. Rubbish.
He’s injured - it happens.
Quite a bit, it seems.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 09, 2025, 09:16:06 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 09, 2025, 10:59:24 PM
Yeah I mean it happens. It’s funny that we win in the FA Cup, play really well but some have to seek out a player to criticise.
Yeah, but it seems to happen to him.a lot.
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 10, 2025, 12:01:29 AM
However for 50m he should be actually on the pitch far more than he is.
Think it's been said he's completed just seven games for us so that's not good and I can think of at least four games when he hasn't even made a second half.
Hopefully it's just teething problems but I felt much better tonight with McGinn back centrally. He can do stuff with his back to goal that is currently beyond Onana.
Post by: Pete3206 on February 10, 2025, 12:22:38 AM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 10, 2025, 12:25:06 AM
I don't think on the pitch he's been as bad as portrayed.
However for 50m he should be actually on the pitch far more than he is.
Think it's been said he's completed just seven games for us so that's not good and I can think of at least four games when he hasn't even made a second half.
Hopefully it's just teething problems but I felt much better tonight with McGinn back centrally. He can do stuff with his back to goal that is currently beyond Onana.
I don't think he's been bad on the pitch. In fact I think he's actually exactly the type of player we need as he wins the ball back for us quickly and high up the pitch.
The injuries are mounting up now though, and although they may not be his fault, it is getting a bit frustrating, especially with Kamara and Bogarde having to deputise at the back.
Post by: Hillbilly on February 10, 2025, 12:46:12 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 10, 2025, 04:25:28 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 10, 2025, 06:40:09 AM
I am not sure that pointing out his continued absences through injuries is criticism.
At the moment it’s not looking like money well spent.
Post by: Hookeysmith on February 10, 2025, 02:26:25 PM
I would imagine playing football is as much physically demanding as it is mentally so will need time o adapt.
Think he was a great addition to the squad but we need to build him up and not rush him back.
Post by: eamonn on February 10, 2025, 03:24:21 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 10, 2025, 03:46:30 PM
The bigger question is his actual ability to play on the half turn and get us motoring up the pitch. You need to be able to do that in am Emery midfield.
Agree.
This guy could be a relative costly mistake.
Like others have said he doesn't play so comfortably with his feet.
I don't think he has the technics , or the positional play that's required.
I haven't taken to him whatsoever and it seems he was literally signed because of his size and that itself brings the physicality.
He's not adept at taking ball in tight spaces and I don't know what he brings to the midfield outside of his size.
Lets see how he gets on second half of season.
I’ll give him rest of season before pass anymore judgement but he’s got a way to convince he can play ball.
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 10, 2025, 03:49:33 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 10, 2025, 06:38:53 PM
Post by: eamonn on February 10, 2025, 06:44:37 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 10, 2025, 08:41:37 PM
Has he played 90 mins for us yet?I remember once because a few of us talked about it being unusual but I can't remember who it was against. It was a home game though.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 10, 2025, 09:54:47 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 16, 2025, 01:01:59 PM
He has played 17 games this season in league which is suprising as he always appears to be injured
Post by: Hampshire Villa on February 16, 2025, 05:10:18 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 16, 2025, 08:27:55 PM
The bigger question is his actual ability to play on the half turn and get us motoring up the pitch. You need to be able to do that in am Emery midfield.
Agreed, he's very limited on the ball. No risk passes back to Konsa he specialises in or stat padding as someone put it a couple of weeks ago. The Donk could do that.
I get the sense Emery hasn't been all that impressed with him when he has been fit and without big improvement I think he will be moved on in the summer.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 16, 2025, 08:34:37 PM
Fingers crossed.The bigger question is his actual ability to play on the half turn and get us motoring up the pitch. You need to be able to do that in am Emery midfield.
Agreed, he's very limited on the ball. No risk passes back to Konsa he specialises in or stat padding as someone put it a couple of weeks ago. The Donk could do that.
I get the sense Emery hasn't been all that impressed with him when he has been fit and without big improvement I think he will be moved on in the summer.
Post by: LeonW on February 16, 2025, 08:54:14 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 16, 2025, 09:02:28 PM
Post by: LeonW on February 16, 2025, 09:04:07 PM
Made of glass.
My worry also. You can’t have a physical defensive midfielder made of glass.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 16, 2025, 09:10:45 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 16, 2025, 09:27:13 PM
He's played over 150 games in the last 3 and a half seasons, he's hardly Keinan.Fair point, but when he has played he’s nowhere near the calibre of McGinn driving the ball forward or Kamara getting us out of tight spots defensively and then being able to put us on the front foot. Can’t compare him to Barkley because I can’t remember what impact the aforementioned was having the last time he played.
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 16, 2025, 10:10:33 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 16, 2025, 10:59:57 PM
The hyperbole over Onana is ludicrous now. Just give him a fucking chance to recover vs thinking it’s the end of the world and the worst signing ever. He’s a young man. He’ll be fine. And £50M in today’s market is nothing.Strange comment when mentioning “hyperbole”and “£50 M is nothing”. Get a grip.
Post by: andyh on February 16, 2025, 11:58:30 PM
It’s like we are questioning whether a £50m player has the balls to get stuck in, or picks up constant little niggles that remove any responsibility from him.
I think it’s more of a character question than anything
Post by: VillaTim on February 17, 2025, 12:07:34 AM
Post by: LeonW on February 17, 2025, 05:57:44 AM
Post by: tony scott on February 17, 2025, 08:04:04 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 17, 2025, 09:14:15 AM
Post by: Rigadon on February 17, 2025, 09:29:39 AM
Post by: Villan For Life on February 17, 2025, 09:39:05 AM
Maybe a full preseason and work with the strength and conditioning team will help him gain the required strength.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 17, 2025, 01:47:57 PM
Post by: paul_e on February 17, 2025, 02:34:51 PM
Post by: PhilVill on February 17, 2025, 03:33:36 PM
Post by: Pete3206 on February 17, 2025, 03:37:48 PM
The hyperbole over Onana is ludicrous now. Just give him a fucking chance to recover vs thinking it’s the end of the world and the worst signing ever. He’s a young man. He’ll be fine. And £50M in today’s market is nothing.
Spot on.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 17, 2025, 03:37:50 PM
Post by: 85kota on February 17, 2025, 03:49:09 PM
The hyperbole over Onana is ludicrous now. Just give him a fucking chance to recover vs thinking it’s the end of the world and the worst signing ever. He’s a young man. He’ll be fine. And £50M in today’s market is nothing.
Spot on.
£50m, our record signing, in the current PSR climate, is evidently not nothing.
Post by: eamonn on February 17, 2025, 05:01:47 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 17, 2025, 05:36:44 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 17, 2025, 06:10:23 PM
Players can have an injury, doesn't mean they are made of glass. Kamara has missed 40% of league games since joining and it's not said about him.
'Glass' has been mentioned here 18 times which seems excessive given it's not the 'Transfer Window' thread.
Post by: OCD on February 17, 2025, 06:19:22 PM
The hyperbole over Onana is ludicrous now. Just give him a fucking chance to recover vs thinking it’s the end of the world and the worst signing ever. He’s a young man. He’ll be fine. And £50M in today’s market is nothing.
Spot on.
£50m, our record signing, in the current PSR climate, is evidently not nothing.
Equally though, it's not a one-off payment of £50m. It's amortized over 5 annual payments of £10m.
The rules just incentivize player trading with emphasis on selling club trained talent or players that have been with us for a while.
Post by: VillaTim on February 17, 2025, 06:40:12 PM
Players can have an injury, doesn't mean they are made of glass. Kamara has missed 40% of league games since joining and it's not said about him.Kamara is very injury prone , it's an issue with him missing so many games
Post by: RamboandBruno on February 17, 2025, 06:50:19 PM
When he’s played he’s been good, he hasn’t played enough as he’s been injured, thats pretty much it. If we are in the same situation this time next year, then its a problem, but plenty of time for him.
Post by: Clampy on February 17, 2025, 07:05:35 PM
I love writing off a player just over half way through his first
Half a season is generous. Some fans do it after two games.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 17, 2025, 08:06:07 PM
All these things can be true, £50m is the going rate for a regular first team PL starter so we haven't overpaid, he looked to be what we needed, after a bright start he's faded and his injury record is worrying. Overall, we've seen what he can do and its impressive but we expect to see it much more regularly.
Excellent point. £50m is the going rate for a promising young player from a PL club and he shouldn’t be written off yet.
It’s also worth adding some context. we needed an ‘oven ready’ player that could slot in as DCM whilst Kamara recovered (and Luiz was sold), so we needed to shop local.
In more normal circumstances I think Monchi will be lining players up a window or two before they’re needed. For example Tieleman’s was signed in anticipation of Luiz leaving. Barrenchea is the succession play for Kamara/onana leaving.
Post by: VillaTim on February 17, 2025, 08:11:52 PM
Post by: Richard on February 17, 2025, 08:19:46 PM
Post by: Dave on February 17, 2025, 08:38:43 PM
Don't see anyone writing him off to be fair . Just people questioning his injury record. Doesn't matter how good you are , if you are out injured for large chunks of the season you aren't much use.
So we bin off Kamara and Ramsey too then?
Post by: 85kota on February 17, 2025, 08:44:55 PM
Don't see anyone writing him off to be fair . Just people questioning his injury record. Doesn't matter how good you are , if you are out injured for large chunks of the season you aren't much use.
So we bin off Kamara and Ramsey too then?
He hasn't said bin him off.
That being said, Kamara, given he is such a good player, has been some use. Ramsey hasn't been much use for ages.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 17, 2025, 10:05:43 PM
Don't see anyone writing him off to be fair . Just people questioning his injury record. Doesn't matter how good you are , if you are out injured for large chunks of the season you aren't much use.
So we bin off Kamara and Ramsey too then?
He hasn't said bin him off.
That being said, Kamara, given he is such a good player, has been some use. Ramsey hasn't been much use for ages.
2 goals and 2 assists from Ramsey in the last 6 games isn't 'hasn't been much use for ages' territory.
Post by: VillaTim on February 17, 2025, 10:16:12 PM
"Bin off" ?? Who's said thatDon't see anyone writing him off to be fair . Just people questioning his injury record. Doesn't matter how good you are , if you are out injured for large chunks of the season you aren't much use.
So we bin off Kamara and Ramsey too then?
Post by: Somniloquism on February 25, 2025, 02:33:00 PM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 25, 2025, 02:44:12 PM
If I worked with him though, all that enthusiasm would soon get right on my tits.
Post by: UK Redsox on February 25, 2025, 02:50:36 PM
Noticeable that he was congratulating all the players in the tunnel at the end of the pitch side video. Yes, I would prefer he was on the pitch but he is still there to support the team when off it.
Onana is on the touchline during warm ups as well. He also did an on-field presentation a couple of games ago
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 25, 2025, 02:54:02 PM
Noticeable that he was congratulating all the players in the tunnel at the end of the pitch side video. Yes, I would prefer he was on the pitch but he is still there to support the team when off it.
Onana is on the touchline during warm ups as well. He also did an on-field presentation a couple of games ago
I was impressed by his use of Powerpoint. He's a man of many talents.
Post by: London Villan on February 25, 2025, 03:27:37 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 25, 2025, 04:17:06 PM
Don't see anyone writing him off to be fair . Just people questioning his injury record. Doesn't matter how good you are , if you are out injured for large chunks of the season you aren't much use.
So we bin off Kamara and Ramsey too then?
He hasn't said bin him off.
That being said, Kamara, given he is such a good player, has been some use. Ramsey hasn't been much use for ages.
Yes, players will always pick up injuries of varying degrees but when you are forking out exorbitant transfer fees seeing them pick up a knock and being out for weeks or months really grates on me. It's fine thinking they will slot into our system perfectly but it's not so fine that every time they go down it results in them having to go off with a tweak or worse in the case of Onana. In the case of Ramsay, two injuries and Pau one, of the same type because of toe breaks due to having comfortable footwear giving zero protection it would seem. Is it too much to expect these players to wear more protective footwear for the purpose of playing football, something with a sturdy upper as opposed to the flimsy slipper material they wear now? Boots produced in the 1990s maybe?
As for Onana, bought with the purpose of being a midfield General the type of which we have always coveted. He's been good in most games he's played but his ability to get injured is 2nd to none and at the point now where I'd say he's been a waste of money.
On the opposite side of the coin you have Watkins. Rarely injured but when he was recently with a groin tweak and out for a few games he comes back as good as ever from the off. He's the type of player we need.
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2025, 05:06:46 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on February 25, 2025, 05:35:13 PM
I really like him, he's clearly very intelligent and seems totally committed to the cause. As a fan, he's all good by me.
If I worked with him though, all that enthusiasm would soon get right on my tits.
Yep, pretty much my view of him. I enjoy his enthusiasm... from a distance.
Post by: eamonn on February 25, 2025, 05:44:53 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 25, 2025, 10:01:07 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 25, 2025, 10:01:51 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 25, 2025, 10:05:33 PM
Probably harsh to blame him for this one.
Not blaming him for tonight more than he can never get fit. Same issues as at everton.
Very frustrating and i think the 50m could have been spent elsewhere to help us
Post by: aj2k77 on February 25, 2025, 10:08:01 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 25, 2025, 10:09:20 PM
Him and Maatsen for £85m has been a total waste of money so far.
I agree. I still maintain our summer transfer window was very very poor
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 25, 2025, 10:19:40 PM
What the Chris Heck is an on-field presentation ?!
I don't know, but we probably could have down with one tonight.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 25, 2025, 10:21:15 PM
Him and Maatsen for £85m has been a total waste of money so far.
I agree. I still maintain our summer transfer window was very very poor
Haven’t we discussed to death that the Maatsen deal is to get around PSR? We buy Maatsen for an inflated fee and Chelsea buy Kellyman for an inflated fee so we both stay within the rules.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 25, 2025, 10:22:12 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on February 25, 2025, 10:25:10 PM
Him and Maatsen for £85m has been a total waste of money so far.
I agree. I still maintain our summer transfer window was very very poor
Haven’t we discussed to death that the Maatsen deal is to get around PSR? We buy Maatsen for an inflated fee and Chelsea buy Kellyman for an inflated fee so we both stay within the rules.
It doesn't really help us with PSR as we over spent on him and onana. Chelsea did us over a barrel on that deal. Maatsen 20m player tops
Post by: Brend'Watkins on February 25, 2025, 10:27:19 PM
Kellyman was worth £10m ish. Maatsen doesnt look a £25m player. He cannot defend.
£19 million actually. Having already bought Chuckwhatshisface for £20million.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2025, 10:29:37 PM
Kellyman was worth £10m ish. Maatsen doesnt look a £25m player. He cannot defend.
£19 million actually. Having already bought Chuckwhatshisface for £20million.
The difference is, Kellyman has probably been given the keys to a big house somewhere and told to come back in June, and Chuk has been sent elsewhere, whereas we're actually having to use Maatsen.
He can't defend for shit, is my main problem, and we frequently find ourselves relying on his ability to defend, whereas Kellyman and Chuk might as well be vintage cars, houses or art works, they're basically just numbers on a balance sheet.
Post by: aj2k77 on February 25, 2025, 10:30:44 PM
Kellyman was worth £10m ish. Maatsen doesnt look a £25m player. He cannot defend.
£19 million actually. Having already bought Chuckwhatshisface for £20million.
But you said the fee's were over inflated to get around PSR. Kellyman I would say could have been sold for £10m to anyone, meaning we valued Maatsen at £25m and he's soft as fuck defensively and looks like he wants to play as a winger.
Post by: VillaTim on February 25, 2025, 10:37:11 PM
Frustrating.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2025, 10:38:32 PM
Where is onana ? He's not only missed the battle , he's missed the war.
Frustrating.
In the tunnel, dressed like a clownshoe, doing exuberant high fives after we fluke past Chelsea, for the social media team, largely.
Post by: Somniloquism on February 25, 2025, 10:39:22 PM
Post by: brontebilly on February 25, 2025, 10:39:42 PM
Where is onana ? He's not only missed the battle , he's missed the war.
Frustrating.
He's not good enough anyway, he gets nowhere near Kamara/Luiz at their peak.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 25, 2025, 10:39:57 PM
So when we do win we fluke it?
The Chelsea keeper threw one in in the last minute. That's pretty flukey. And I'm referring to one match, not 'when we do win' in general.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 25, 2025, 10:41:35 PM
So when we do win we fluke it?
He obviously referring to the keeper error
Post by: Somniloquism on February 25, 2025, 10:43:42 PM
Post by: FatSam on February 25, 2025, 10:57:05 PM
Post by: VillaTim on February 25, 2025, 11:48:09 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 26, 2025, 12:11:05 AM
Where is onana ? He's not only missed the battle , he's missed the war.
Frustrating.
In the tunnel, dressed like a clownshoe, doing exuberant high fives after we fluke past Chelsea, for the social media team, largely.
I’m telling you it’s Albert Popwell in magnum force. ‘Yes sir officer this is my car.’
Post by: Dante Lavelli on February 26, 2025, 06:57:19 AM
But he’s not been good enough. The revolving CB situation hasn’t helped, plus I don’t think Emery has trusted him enough which will naturally impact his confidence.
In theory, he should be great on the left when we have Konsa / CB / CB / Maatsen. We just haven’t been able to play that formation enough.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 26, 2025, 08:05:07 AM
This guy will sneeze and get injured 🤧
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 26, 2025, 09:21:26 AM
That fist bumps thing he does.... you have to earn that kind of interaction with the fans. A player that has been injured for pretty much half of our matches, and failed to show up in half of the others when he has been 'fit' , does not get to do that kind of stuff.
The tunnel footage after Chelsea was cringeworthy. You're not fit, so get out of the fucking tunnel and stop stealing the limelight from the players on the pitch that were actually earning their wage. I think the Everton fans are right on this one - Monchi has pulled a stinker.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 26, 2025, 09:27:37 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 26, 2025, 09:30:09 AM
What a load of nonsense.
'Nonsense' - Where's the evidence that proves otherwise? He cost more than pretty much our entire midfield. What have we got to show for it?
Post by: Olneythelonely on February 26, 2025, 09:49:09 AM
So when we do win we fluke it?
The Chelsea keeper threw one in in the last minute. That's pretty flukey. And I'm referring to one match, not 'when we do win' in general.
We had our best xG of the season against Chelsea, so I wouldn’t call it a fluke. Having said that, I enjoyed your post anyway.
Post by: Clampy on February 26, 2025, 10:06:13 AM
What a load of nonsense.
'Nonsense' - Where's the evidence that proves otherwise? He cost more than pretty much our entire midfield. What have we got to show for it?
He's maybe referring to the 'stealing the limelight' nonsense which is just that, nonsense.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 26, 2025, 10:17:03 AM
What a load of nonsense.
'Nonsense' - Where's the evidence that proves otherwise? He cost more than pretty much our entire midfield. What have we got to show for it?
The nonsense was your utterly ridiculous assertions that players shouldn't be able to interact with fans unless they have passed an arbitrary number of appearances decided by you, and that injured players should never smile or look happy when we win.
Just drivel.
Post by: Drummond on February 26, 2025, 10:33:17 AM
Id happily cash in on him in the summer as his fitness is the biggest issue. He is the opposite in terms of fitness of dougie. Say what you want about dougie but he played a majority of the season when with us. Unfortunately cant see anyone coming close to payong 50m for him so he will just have to pray his fitness issues improve
This guy will sneeze and get injured 🤧
Cash in? Then you say people won't pay, so which is it?
Post by: Nii Lamptey on February 26, 2025, 11:40:05 AM
What a load of nonsense.
'Nonsense' - Where's the evidence that proves otherwise? He cost more than pretty much our entire midfield. What have we got to show for it?
The nonsense was your utterly ridiculous assertions that players shouldn't be able to interact with fans unless they have passed an arbitrary number of appearances decided by you, and that injured players should never smile or look happy when we win.
Just drivel.
Fuck sake - Always on the offensive when someone has a different view to you. 🤷🏼♂️
I don't have a problem with players interacting with the fans or absolutely not looking happy when we win, but it sticks in my throat that he's come in as a big money signing (*when money is extremely tight), lauding it up as a fan favourite, but what have we actually seen from him on the pitch? I'll tell you - The square root of fuck all. I'd rather he entertained us there personally.
If he comes back from injury and drags us back into contention for the European spots, I'll stand corrected. But the jury is very much still out on this fella.
Post by: Clampy on February 26, 2025, 11:49:49 AM
What a load of nonsense.
'Nonsense' - Where's the evidence that proves otherwise? He cost more than pretty much our entire midfield. What have we got to show for it?
The nonsense was your utterly ridiculous assertions that players shouldn't be able to interact with fans unless they have passed an arbitrary number of appearances decided by you, and that injured players should never smile or look happy when we win.
Just drivel.
Fuck sake - Always on the offensive when someone has a different view to you. 🤷🏼♂️
I don't have a problem with players interacting with the fans or absolutely not looking happy when we win, but it sticks in my throat that he's come in as a big money signing (*when money is extremely tight), lauding it up as a fan favourite, but what have we actually seen from him on the pitch? I'll tell you - The square root of fuck all. I'd rather he entertained us there personally.
If he comes back from injury and drags us back into contention for the European spots, I'll stand corrected. But the jury is very much still out on this fella.
Yes, he's not pulled up any trees on the pitch as yet but coming out with 'stealing the limelight in the tunnel' and he needs to 'earn the right to fistbump fans' is just so ridiculous.
Post by: cdbearsfan on February 26, 2025, 11:51:21 AM
Post by: Rigadon on February 26, 2025, 12:08:59 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 26, 2025, 12:10:50 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 26, 2025, 12:14:10 PM
To be honest I would be embarrassed to appear on a social media video wearing those hideous clothes.
Yeah, he's a likeable guy but I won't be seeking him out for fashion advice.
Post by: Demitri_C on February 26, 2025, 12:15:07 PM
Id happily cash in on him in the summer as his fitness is the biggest issue. He is the opposite in terms of fitness of dougie. Say what you want about dougie but he played a majority of the season when with us. Unfortunately cant see anyone coming close to payong 50m for him so he will just have to pray his fitness issues improve
This guy will sneeze and get injured 🤧
Cash in? Then you say people won't pay, so which is it?
Erm happily cash in if a good option comes in? Which is what i was alluding to
Post by: Dave on February 26, 2025, 12:15:51 PM
The problem is that he was bought to be a Kamara back up...
I don't think that's true. There's no way we broke our transfer record in a PSR problematic summer on a player that we didn't plan on being in our strongest team.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 26, 2025, 12:18:23 PM
Post by: Rigadon on February 26, 2025, 12:40:28 PM
The problem is that he was bought to be a Kamara back up...
I don't think that's true. There's no way we broke our transfer record in a PSR problematic summer on a player that we didn't plan on being in our strongest team.
There was no way of knowing for sure that Kamara was coming back like new when Onana was bought, so perhaps it was some insurance in that regard (and so a bit of both)?
We just aren't the same prospect when we play without an imposing player in midfield - especially versus teams who want to mix it up in there. Newcastle, Palace, Forest - even fucking Spurs bullied us. If we dont' win duels we look a bit predictable and brittle at the back.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 26, 2025, 02:04:13 PM
To be honest I would be embarrassed to appear on a social media video wearing those hideous clothes.
Yeah, he's a likeable guy but I won't be seeking him out for fashion advice.
To be fair I'm sure he made them himself.
Post by: Ian. on February 26, 2025, 02:07:10 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on February 27, 2025, 11:52:35 AM
Double pivot Ithink - him and Kamara first choices as breakers up and starting attacks.
Yep, have been wanting to see that pairing in central midfield have a run of games together all season. They've only managed the odd one here and there unfortunately.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on February 27, 2025, 12:24:58 PM
I really like him and I’m happy to have a bit of little patience. He’s a young lad with a very good future, hopefully with us.Agreed
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 06, 2025, 10:03:15 AM
I think he would do well to be staying at working in fitness and the Emery system than going on international duty.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 06, 2025, 10:22:37 AM
I think he would do well to be staying at working in fitness and the Emery system than going on international duty.
I wouldn't mind Youri missing their games aginst Ukraine either, he could with a rest.
Post by: dcdavecollett on March 06, 2025, 12:51:41 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 06, 2025, 01:01:23 PM
Avalanche? I thought he played for Belgium, not Switzerland!
apologies again sorry it’s available that was the word i was looking for
Post by: Olneythelonely on March 06, 2025, 02:46:07 PM
Avalanche? I thought he played for Belgium, not Switzerland!
apologies again sorry it’s available that was the word i was looking for
Hmmmm
Post by: olaftab on March 29, 2025, 09:33:18 AM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on April 03, 2025, 06:56:33 AM
What a ridiculously good squad we now have.
Post by: OCD on April 03, 2025, 12:40:42 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 03, 2025, 02:19:46 PM
Lets hope there is more to come
Post by: Villafirst on April 03, 2025, 11:18:57 PM
I really thought he was the turning point last night when he came on. Completely dominated the centre of the park.
Lets hope there is more to come
Agree, it's been frustrating that he's been out so long. Onana will prove to be great signing but he needs to stay fit. I hope Unai plays Kamara and Onana together in a DM pivot against PSG. We saw this combo briefly when we bossed Man City in the 2-0 home victory. Then a host of injuries kicked in.
Post by: Beard82 on April 03, 2025, 11:27:04 PM
I really thought he was the turning point last night when he came on. Completely dominated the centre of the park.I thought he was great - a real pressence. I did notice though - the way he walks on the pitch - he looks like hes carrying an injury half the time
Lets hope there is more to come
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 19, 2025, 08:49:50 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 19, 2025, 08:53:55 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 19, 2025, 08:57:08 PM
Post by: AV84 on April 19, 2025, 09:27:52 PM
Post by: itbrvilla on April 20, 2025, 01:06:41 AM
Post by: colin69 on April 20, 2025, 01:22:49 PM
If he can stay fit he has massive part to play in this team.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 20, 2025, 01:45:19 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 21, 2025, 07:44:57 AM
His only issue is his constant injuries.Yes, you can see the potential.
If he can stay fit he has massive part to play in this team.
Post by: Max Villan on April 21, 2025, 07:53:36 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 21, 2025, 09:31:10 AM
Thought it was his best half hour in a Villa shirt. Haven't seen the stats but he seemed to make crucial interceptions to get us attacking. And what a feckin' finish for the goal. Even a Pope, turning 33 on the weekend Jesus died and rose at the same age, couldn't rely on divine inspiration to keep it out.
Killed him.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 21, 2025, 11:02:00 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 21, 2025, 11:10:16 AM
Future captain . Seems a very popular guy down there and intelligent too.
Hopefully a future pundit when the media realises that having gurning fools is not the way to keep going.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 03, 2025, 07:49:56 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 03, 2025, 08:43:12 PM
Really impressed with him today. Thought he really brought impetus to the midfield and gave us drive forward, as well as sweeping up defensively.
Agreed. Showed a glimpse of what he’s capable of today.
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 04, 2025, 01:49:50 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 04, 2025, 09:15:39 AM
Post by: brontebilly on May 04, 2025, 10:06:16 AM
Pushing for a starting spot. His issue might be the players in front of him are hard to drop/rest.
Flopped at Man City when given a big chance though. Did make a big impact yesterday to be fair, especially with Kamara a bit off it. Not sure Emery drops Kamara v Bournemouth. Would be a big call.
Post by: LeeB on May 04, 2025, 10:16:35 AM
Pushing for a starting spot. His issue might be the players in front of him are hard to drop/rest.
Flopped at Man City when given a big chance though. Did make a big impact yesterday to be fair, especially with Kamara a bit off it. Not sure Emery drops Kamara v Bournemouth. Would be a big call.
Twice I've seen you post that about his Man City performance and I can only think you were watching a different game to me.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 04, 2025, 10:25:33 AM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 04, 2025, 10:36:55 AM
Post by: OCD on May 04, 2025, 01:19:52 PM
Post by: Villafirst on May 05, 2025, 07:49:23 AM
Pushing for a starting spot. His issue might be the players in front of him are hard to drop/rest.
Flopped at Man City when given a big chance though. Did make a big impact yesterday to be fair, especially with Kamara a bit off it. Not sure Emery drops Kamara v Bournemouth. Would be a big call.
Twice I've seen you post that about his Man City performance and I can only think you were watching a different game to me.
Agree, Onana was fine at Man City. He really needs to start especially with some players looking jaded. He can drive through the opposition midfield with power and pace.
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 05, 2025, 08:27:19 AM
Post by: Rigadon on May 05, 2025, 08:54:07 AM
Yea I’d be tempted to Start Onana, Kamara, McGinn and Tielemans as a four against Bournemouth with Rogers in the 10 instead of Asensio.
Me too. Asensio looks a bit lost at the moment especially when starting. I’d be using him as an impact sub from now on, but in Unai I trust.
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 05, 2025, 01:51:11 PM
Post by: TheTimVilla on May 05, 2025, 02:10:35 PM
Asensio looks much better with Rashford for some reason .
Except when they take those soppy corners
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 10, 2025, 07:59:46 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 10, 2025, 08:01:50 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 10, 2025, 08:03:09 PM
Post by: garyellis on May 10, 2025, 08:04:46 PM
Post by: Clampy on May 10, 2025, 08:34:53 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 10, 2025, 08:37:53 PM
Not sure on the man bun though.
Not fussed what his hair is like if he delivers.
Post by: VillaTim on May 10, 2025, 08:41:11 PM
Post by: Dave on May 10, 2025, 09:35:22 PM
Very good today. This young man will be a very important player for us in the future.
I think it's easy to forget how young he is, mainly due to how big he is as how he presents himself. Ramsey still feels like a youth player, yet he's older than Onana.
I think he's probably a future club captain and the sort of player who eventually turns up in those "our most important player" conversations.
Post by: villa for life on May 10, 2025, 09:37:20 PM
Very good today. This young man will be a very important player for us in the future.
I think it's easy to forget how young he is, mainly due to how big he is as how he presents himself. Ramsey still feels like a youth player, yet he's older than Onana.
I think he's probably a future club captain and the sort of player who eventually turns up in those "our most important player" conversations.
I get the impression we are just a stepping stone for Onana. Not sure he’ll ever be a future club captain. Would be surprised
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 10, 2025, 09:38:30 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on May 10, 2025, 09:41:03 PM
Post by: villa for life on May 10, 2025, 09:41:20 PM
Ask them
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 10, 2025, 09:42:53 PM
Post by: villa for life on May 10, 2025, 09:46:50 PM
Everton fans are whiney twats, who gives a fuck what they think. He was great today, we won. Try enjoying that.
That’s really disrespectful. They are fans as much as we are.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 10, 2025, 09:47:41 PM
Post by: villa for life on May 10, 2025, 09:49:08 PM
MOTM today for me and very good last week when he came on too.
Me too. Definitely improving
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 10, 2025, 09:49:25 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2025, 09:50:14 PM
Everton fans are whiney twats, who gives a fuck what they think. He was great today, we won. Try enjoying that.
That’s really disrespectful. They are fans as much as we are.
They're a bunch of moaning, bitter pricks, not far removed from our neighbours. They can get in the bin.
Post by: villa for life on May 10, 2025, 09:52:53 PM
Everton fans are whiney twats, who gives a fuck what they think. He was great today, we won. Try enjoying that.
That’s really disrespectful. They are fans as much as we are.
They're a bunch of moaning, bitter pricks, not far removed from our neighbours. They can get in the bin.
Disagree. They are a passionate bunch who share many of the same traditions as our great club.
Personally, I’d never call anyone a prick, but I’ve got class.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 10, 2025, 10:00:01 PM
Post by: Dave on May 10, 2025, 10:05:42 PM
Very good today. This young man will be a very important player for us in the future.
I think it's easy to forget how young he is, mainly due to how big he is as how he presents himself. Ramsey still feels like a youth player, yet he's older than Onana.
I think he's probably a future club captain and the sort of player who eventually turns up in those "our most important player" conversations.
I get the impression we are just a stepping stone for Onana. Not sure he’ll ever be a future club captain. Would be surprised
Presumably if we're a stepping stone even in our current really-good state, he's going to turn into something pretty spectacular then to move to the next stone?
I nearly put in my original post "and someone we'll probably sell for £100m+ to Real Madrid" but it felt a bit aggrandising.
I'd take that, given what he'll need to do for us to make it happen.
Post by: Mellin on May 10, 2025, 10:09:39 PM
Everton fans are whiney twats, who gives a fuck what they think. He was great today, we won. Try enjoying that.
That’s really disrespectful. They are fans as much as we are.
They're a bunch of moaning, bitter pricks, not far removed from our neighbours. They can get in the bin.
Disagree. They are a passionate bunch who share many of the same traditions as our great club.
Personally, I’d never call anyone a prick, but I’ve got class.
Can you self-declare having class without disproving it? 🤔
Post by: villa for life on May 10, 2025, 10:13:04 PM
Everton fans are whiney twats, who gives a fuck what they think. He was great today, we won. Try enjoying that.
That’s really disrespectful. They are fans as much as we are.
They're a bunch of moaning, bitter pricks, not far removed from our neighbours. They can get in the bin.
Disagree. They are a passionate bunch who share many of the same traditions as our great club.
Personally, I’d never call anyone a prick, but I’ve got class.
Can you self-declare having class without disproving it? 🤔
Descartes
Post by: Matt C on May 10, 2025, 10:36:41 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on May 10, 2025, 10:38:43 PM
But they moan about everythingEverton fans are whiney twats, who gives a fuck what they think. He was great today, we won. Try enjoying that.
That’s really disrespectful. They are fans as much as we are.
Post by: villa for life on May 10, 2025, 10:39:55 PM
But they moan about everythingEverton fans are whiney twats, who gives a fuck what they think. He was great today, we won. Try enjoying that.
That’s really disrespectful. They are fans as much as we are.
Second team in the city and all that. We wouldn’t know as villa fans!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2025, 11:12:18 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 10, 2025, 11:15:01 PM
One of his best performances in a Villa shirt today.
Fast becoming one of my favourite players with a man bun.
Post by: VillaTim on May 10, 2025, 11:30:31 PM
Before you know it he'll be signing for Leeds .One of his best performances in a Villa shirt today.
Fast becoming one of my favourite players with a man bun.
Post by: Villafirst on May 10, 2025, 11:31:34 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2025, 11:37:48 PM
One of his best performances in a Villa shirt today.
Fast becoming one of my favourite players with a man bun.
Henri Lansbury is sat home weeping at this.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 25, 2025, 07:08:45 PM
Post by: LeonW on May 25, 2025, 07:16:31 PM
Post by: brontebilly on May 25, 2025, 07:17:00 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 25, 2025, 07:17:20 PM
And I don't like that routine with the crowd after we won, either, because when things go bad, it looks really shit.
Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2025, 07:27:23 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on May 25, 2025, 07:28:25 PM
Post by: itbrvilla on May 25, 2025, 07:29:47 PM
We don't miss him when he's out and for a £50m player that's a damning indictment. Big season for him next year because this one has been very stop start and poor.some impressive games that catch the eye but largely poor
Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 25, 2025, 07:30:35 PM
Post by: saint13 on May 25, 2025, 07:32:20 PM
I think it’s fair to say there are question marks over him and the £50m we paid currently looks quite over priced.
I said as much last summer. I had watched a lot of him at Everton & Belgium and I thought he was underwhelming. I thought he was oh=k and taht we weere overpaying for him.
One year on, I have seen nothing to change my mind. He could be anything and everything as a midfield general in the mould of Patrick Viera but I think he is a mile off it. He is brittle/a bit pussy and is happy to lope around making too many safe square balls. He is a modern day stat padder.
Post by: LeonW on May 25, 2025, 07:33:41 PM
I think it’s fair to say there are question marks over him and the £50m we paid currently looks quite over priced.
I said as much last summer. I had watched a lot of him at Everton & Belgium and I thought he was underwhelming. I thought he was oh=k and taht we weere overpaying for him.
One year on, I have seen nothing to change my mind. He could be anything and everything as a midfield general in the mould of Patrick Viera but I think he is a mile off it. He is brittle/a bit pussy and is happy to lope around making too many safe square balls. He is a modern day stat padder.
We paid £5m for Barkley and whilst he’s obviously much older, they’ve probably had equal seasons in terms of performances and outcomes.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2025, 08:01:07 PM
Post by: villadelph on May 25, 2025, 08:02:01 PM
???I think it’s fair to say there are question marks over him and the £50m we paid currently looks quite over priced.
I said as much last summer. I had watched a lot of him at Everton & Belgium and I thought he was underwhelming. I thought he was oh=k and taht we weere overpaying for him.
One year on, I have seen nothing to change my mind. He could be anything and everything as a midfield general in the mould of Patrick Viera but I think he is a mile off it. He is brittle/a bit pussy and is happy to lope around making too many safe square balls. He is a modern day stat padder.
We paid £5m for Barkley and whilst he’s obviously much older, they’ve probably had equal seasons in terms of performances and outcomes.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on May 25, 2025, 08:04:49 PM
Some of these hot takes are ridiculous. Onana is really young and had been having his best form of the season in the past few weeks. He wasn't great today, but none of them were. He is only going to get better and better.
Agreed. He’s been very good lately, shite today as they all were, however I expect him to be a top player for us for many seasons to come.
Post by: brontebilly on May 25, 2025, 08:15:24 PM
I think it’s fair to say there are question marks over him and the £50m we paid currently looks quite over priced.
I said as much last summer. I had watched a lot of him at Everton & Belgium and I thought he was underwhelming. I thought he was oh=k and taht we weere overpaying for him.
One year on, I have seen nothing to change my mind. He could be anything and everything as a midfield general in the mould of Patrick Viera but I think he is a mile off it. He is brittle/a bit pussy and is happy to lope around making too many safe square balls. He is a modern day stat padder.
We paid £5m for Barkley and whilst he’s obviously much older, they’ve probably had equal seasons in terms of performances and outcomes.
I don't rate Barkley in the slightest but I thought he showed some technical ability on the ball and drive when he came on. Like he realised what was at stake. Will never have the mobility to play regularly at a decent team but at least looked a footballer.
Onana just doesn't have the technical ability to play on the half turn, end of. For a guy with his physique he doesn't half spend a lot of time rolling around on the ground. Finally, his temperament is very suspect. He doesn't make himself available for the ball when the pressure is on, if he gets it then he plays the low risk pass. Passing the buck in other words. This is Douglas Luiz replacement, any chance of a swap deal?
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2025, 08:18:48 PM
Post by: VillaTim on May 25, 2025, 08:19:22 PM
Post by: aj2k77 on May 25, 2025, 08:20:19 PM
Post by: VillaTim on May 25, 2025, 08:22:56 PM
Between him and Maatsen it's been a right waste of money so far last summer.Some of Emerys signings look flawed and I'd add others to the 2 listed
Post by: Somniloquism on May 25, 2025, 08:42:57 PM
Hes been average for much of when he has played - pretty much summed up on his home debut vs Everton when he was bundled over pathetically for their 1st goal and he was trying to claim a foul.Pulled a Konsa?
Post by: Ian. on May 25, 2025, 08:47:06 PM
Between him and Maatsen it's been a right waste of money so far last summer.Bollocks has it. Both have been excellent and why we’ve propelled up the table the last few months.
Post by: Astnor on May 25, 2025, 08:51:53 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2025, 08:54:16 PM
Onana has more or less lived up to what can be expected of him this season IMO. He is still very young and can be important player for us in the future.
Completely agree.
Post by: aj2k77 on May 25, 2025, 09:01:52 PM
Between him and Maatsen it's been a right waste of money so far last summer.Bollocks has it. Both have been excellent and why we’ve propelled up the table the last few months.
He's been excellent? Ok.
Post by: Nunkin1965 on May 25, 2025, 09:05:31 PM
Onana has more or less lived up to what can be expected of him this season IMO. He is still very young and can be important player for us in the future.
Completely agree.
He's been good for me but I can understand why people are digging out the whole team after today.
Maatsen impressive aswell over this season.
Post by: maidstonevillain on May 25, 2025, 09:06:06 PM
McGinn, Mings, Konsa, Ramsey, Martinez, Watkins. They are still the ones you really want on the pitch for the big games. A Dean Smith team.Between him and Maatsen it's been a right waste of money so far last summer.Some of Emerys signings look flawed and I'd add others to the 2 listed
Post by: Ian. on May 25, 2025, 09:32:02 PM
Onana has more or less lived up to what can be expected of him this season IMO. He is still very young and can be important player for us in the future.
Completely agree.
Yep, me too.
Sometimes when we lose we really get some hyperbole comments. He’s been excellent, started very well, suffered an injury, come back and helped us try and achieve another high point tally.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2025, 09:36:11 PM
Onana has more or less lived up to what can be expected of him this season IMO. He is still very young and can be important player for us in the future.
Completely agree.
Yep, me too.
Sometimes when we lose we really get some hyperbole comments. He’s been excellent, started very well, suffered an injury, come back and helped us try and achieve another high point tally.
Yes and along with Rogers he’s one of the few players who will drive through the centre with the ball. We need that.
Post by: Steve67 on May 25, 2025, 10:32:02 PM
Post by: VillaTim on May 25, 2025, 10:34:35 PM
Yep , they are still our best players , plus maybe Rogers though his form is off a cliff now . Not sure which players Emery has produced to advance us .McGinn, Mings, Konsa, Ramsey, Martinez, Watkins. They are still the ones you really want on the pitch for the big games. A Dean Smith team.Between him and Maatsen it's been a right waste of money so far last summer.Some of Emerys signings look flawed and I'd add others to the 2 listed
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2025, 10:37:02 PM
Post by: Ian. on May 25, 2025, 10:37:59 PM
At least Tim is having a fun time, even if it’s the usual narratives.
Who’s Tim?
Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2025, 10:42:23 PM
Onana has been great of late, today, as with the whole set-up, it just didn't work.
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 25, 2025, 10:43:21 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2025, 10:44:02 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2025, 10:58:23 PM
Post by: Beard82 on May 25, 2025, 11:01:53 PM
Rogers overall game has dropped off a cliff - if still being in the goals and assists. Today most things just boucned off Watkins and Marco was didnt do quite enough
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 25, 2025, 11:03:51 PM
I think the prolem was more with Watkins, Rogers, and to a lesser extent Marco.
Rogers overall game has dropped off a cliff - if still being in the goals and assists. Today most things just boucned off Watkins and Marco was didnt do quite enough
Asensio hasn’t done enough in the last 5/6 games.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 25, 2025, 11:05:11 PM
I think the prolem was more with Watkins, Rogers, and to a lesser extent Marco.Watkins had a shocker, I do not think we can get away with Rogers and Assensio away from home.
Rogers overall game has dropped off a cliff - if still being in the goals and assists. Today most things just boucned off Watkins and Marco was didnt do quite enough
Both ineffective today.
Post by: Dave on May 25, 2025, 11:17:22 PM
I think the prolem was more with Watkins, Rogers, and to a lesser extent Marco.
Rogers overall game has dropped off a cliff - if still being in the goals and assists. Today most things just boucned off Watkins and Marco was didnt do quite enough
Asensio hasn’t done enough in the last 5/6 games.
I like Asensio and he's been miles better than I thought he was going to be, but clearly the biggest issue is that he's sitting in Morgan Rogers' seat.
And we shouldn't put our now-reduced financial resources into a reason to play Rogers out of position.
Post by: Beard82 on May 25, 2025, 11:22:54 PM
Agreed - feels like a luxury we can do without.I think the prolem was more with Watkins, Rogers, and to a lesser extent Marco.
Rogers overall game has dropped off a cliff - if still being in the goals and assists. Today most things just boucned off Watkins and Marco was didnt do quite enough
Asensio hasn’t done enough in the last 5/6 games.
I like Asensio and he's been miles better than I thought he was going to be, but clearly the biggest issue is that he's sitting in Morgan Rogers' seat.
And we shouldn't put our now-reduced financial resources into a reason to play Rogers out of position.
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2025, 05:36:25 AM
A fantastic luxury if you can afford to and are willing to rotate with Rogers.Agreed - feels like a luxury we can do without.I think the prolem was more with Watkins, Rogers, and to a lesser extent Marco.
Rogers overall game has dropped off a cliff - if still being in the goals and assists. Today most things just boucned off Watkins and Marco was didnt do quite enough
Asensio hasn’t done enough in the last 5/6 games.
I like Asensio and he's been miles better than I thought he was going to be, but clearly the biggest issue is that he's sitting in Morgan Rogers' seat.
And we shouldn't put our now-reduced financial resources into a reason to play Rogers out of position.
Sadly I think neither is true.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 26, 2025, 10:07:35 AM
Even today, I thought he had his best ten minutes immediately before he was taken off, and it was a slightly odd decision bearing in mind that, before the incident, a set piece probably looked our best chance of a goal.
Same here, we hardly had an attack so when we did get a set piece that looked our best bet.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2025, 11:56:50 AM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 16, 2025, 07:21:28 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 16, 2025, 07:28:25 PM
Gave him the benefit of the doubt last season. The doubt has crept into this one. Big unit, poor yield is my take.£50M was about £30M too much , Everton fans did warn us .
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 16, 2025, 07:48:41 PM
Also I wouldn’t take too much from what opposition fans think when their club is selling a player.
Post by: Chris Smith on August 16, 2025, 07:53:44 PM
At his best he’s looked a £50m player. Let’s see if he stays fit and has a run of games. Everyone bar Bizot looked undercooked today.
Also I wouldn’t take too much from what opposition fans think when their club is selling a player.
Yep, difficult game for all of our midfield today as they flooded it due to playing without a striker. He was no better or worse than those around him.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 16, 2025, 08:12:25 PM
Whatever Unai was thinking about having Onana playing alongside Kamara with Youri further forward, I really hope he doesn't do it again. It did nobody any favours other than Newcastle. A real tactical brainfart.
Post by: VillaTim on August 16, 2025, 08:13:21 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 16, 2025, 08:19:04 PM
He was played for his physicality today, made sense .Physicality implies constant involvement, a trait I haven’t witnessed.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 16, 2025, 08:20:34 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 16, 2025, 08:20:50 PM
he got stuck in as much as anyone , did more than Rogers Tielemans McGinn in the battles . 6/10 though but the others were 5'sHe was played for his physicality today, made sense .Physicality implies constant involvement, a trait I haven’t witnessed.
Post by: Demitri_C on August 16, 2025, 08:28:01 PM
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Post by: VillaTim on August 16, 2025, 08:55:09 PM
there was one at the end where he tried to support Rogers but it looked like he trod on the ball which was a shame as we had numbersthink that was Rogers who trod on the ball when it looked like we had a really dangerous transition on . Rogers was awful today .
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 16, 2025, 09:27:37 PM
there was one at the end where he tried to support Rogers but it looked like he trod on the ball which was a shame as we had numbersthink that was Rogers who trod on the ball when it looked like we had a really dangerous transition on . Rogers was awful today .
yes i meant Rogers somehow trod on it . He certainly wasn’t having a good day
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2025, 10:07:29 PM
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