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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Archie on October 23, 2011, 05:33:43 PM
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Having a soft spot for Norwich City since the early 90's, when they beat Bayern Munich and played against Inter Milan in Uefa Cup, I follow them and I had the occasion to appreciate the job that their manager Paul Lambert did since his arrival in Norfolk two years ago, after his former team, Colchester hammered Norwich for 7-1 at Carrow Road at the beginning of the season in League One.
In 2 years Paul Lambert gained two promotions and this season, with a budget that will be 1/100 of the Villa's, and after changing 9/11 of the last season's starting XI, his team is playing an entertaining, attacking, passing football, and is ahead of us in the table.
Yesterday the Canaries were a bit lucky but also heroic at Anfield.
All their players are youngsters coming from the lowest divisions and they're doing very well with players that proved to be more than ready for the Premier League, like the amazing left winger Pilkington, the gifted left back Tierney, the reliable defender Russel Martin (that can play either full back or central defenders), or two solid players like midfielder Fox and central forward Morison.
At the end of the last season, I had written that I'd like Lambert as new Villa manager, and now I'm still convinced that he'd be the right man for the job.
I'm actually convinced that Paul Lambert has perfectly understood how to stay in Premier without a great budget:
- 1: you must convince 22 milionaires that you go nowhere in football without a great team spirit;
- 2: you should avoid to appoint a manager that only knows defensive tactics, that he's determined to play winger an old central forward, and that keeps on the bench one of your best youngsters;
- 3: instead of spending 10 mln pounds for an average French winger, invest on two young, motivated, not overpaid wingers, that can run on the flanks for 90 minutes, dribble and cross;
- 4: be sure to have in the team one reliable striker that can sub from the bench and score with a header like in the good old times of English football;
- 5: don't bring or keep in the team old, average, overpaid defenders, that are unable to find a passage of more than 5 yards, that concede 1 or 2 goal to their opponents every game, and that in 3 years still haven't understood how to defend on set pieces.
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He was my first choice to come here in the summer.
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Until Randy Lerner and his useless work men leave this club, then we will never see a good manager at this club again. Firstly, I'd doubt they would even sack McLeish if he finished us 17th because they're too arrogant to admit they made the wrong choice. Plus it would be absoutely pathetic we paid compensation to get rid of Houllier to make way for McLeish who we had to pay for only to sack him with more money down the drain where we could have bought 2-3 quality players. And even by some miracle our shit manager does fuck off, the board will hire probably someone even worse.
I agree Paul Lambert would have been a very fine choice. But the board have wet dreams about Premier League experience so he was never gonna come here. Instead, they would prefer to have a safe man with has 2 Premier League relegations on his C.V. As long he has the 'experience'.
Another good one would be Gus Poyet. Some who's young and knows the modern game. Not the stale useless scotsman we have now.
So yeah, the only we can start a fresh is to get rid of the board. Until then, it's gonna get worse.
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I was hoping for Lambert after GH went, i think he could go on to be a top manager over the next 10-15 years.
He was doing a great job at Colchester United before the canaries took him, i remember they hired him just after Colly went to Carrow Rd and won by about six goals.
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I was hoping for Lambert after GH went, i think he could go on to be a top manager over the next 10-15 years.
He was doing a great job at Colchester United before the canaries took him, i remember they hired him just after Colly went to Carrow Rd and won by about six goals.
He then went back to Colchester with Norwich later that season and battered them, almost as if to prove that he was the sole difference between the two results. Not saying he was, but it looks impressive.
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I was certainly an advocate of trying to get Lambert after Houllier but we were never going to get him last summer as he'd just got Norwich promoted and had signed a new contract even before that if I recall correctly.
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I can't see us giving it a go at Old Trafford and Anfield like Norwich have done,even with our superior squad. Dread to think how Mccleish would get the Norwich team to play,they'd probably be pointless now.
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This time last year it was Blackpool who were getting all the praise, before that Hull. Wait and see where they are in a few months before proclaiming him the next big thing.
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This time last year it was Blackpool who were getting all the praise, before that Hull. Wait and see where they are in a few months before proclaiming him the next big thing.
Of course you're right Chris and I'm not suggesting that he should replace McLeish or anything like that, however whilst reading about him previously I am impressed by his inventiveness and studious approach to management, especially compared to someone like Ince or Shearer. For example he choose to do all his badges in Germany rather that in the UK as he thought their systems etc are better.
Alex Ferguson also used to rave about Solskjaer as he was supposed to be a right football nerd so it'll be interesting to see how he does if he gets the Portsmouth gig.
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Chris makes a good point, in that it is far too early to be handing out garlands for the likes of Lambert, however, had I been given the choice earlier this summer of AM or Lambert or even Gus Poyet, it would have been a difficult choice.
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Norwich look far better organised than Blackpool did last season, and what we do this season.
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I wouldn't say it's too early. Norwich has had back to back promotions under him. They're currently sitting top half of the table. His team can pass well, look very structured and composed. They actually look too good to go down under his tactics. Great manager.
I'm not looking forward to playing them at all. I think this will be the game where every self respecting Vlla fan will want McLeish out ASAP when Lambert's team get a comfortable win at Villa Park.
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This time last year it was Blackpool who were getting all the praise, before that Hull. Wait and see where they are in a few months before proclaiming him the next big thing.
Of course you're right Chris and I'm not suggesting that he should replace McLeish or anything like that, however whilst reading about him previously I am impressed by his inventiveness and studious approach to management, especially compared to someone like Ince or Shearer. For example he choose to do all his badges in Germany rather that in the UK as he thought their systems etc are better.
Alex Ferguson also used to rave about Solskjaer as he was supposed to be a right football nerd so it'll be interesting to see how he does if he gets the Portsmouth gig.
He strikes me as a bright and thoughtful man so I'm by no means dismissing him just not getting carried away just yet.
He played in a successful Dortmund team (first British player to win Champions League) so always stood out as a different to the run of the mill player who follow a more predictable career route.
Definitely one to watch.
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I wouldn't say it's too early. Norwich has had back to back promotions under him. They're currently sitting top half of the table. His team can pass well, look very structured and composed. They actually look too good to go down under his tactics. Great manager.
I'm not looking forward to playing them at all. I think this will be the game where every self respecting Vlla fan will want McLeish out ASAP when Lambert's team get a comfortable win at Villa Park.
Are you incapable of posting without droning on about wanting McLeish out?
You seem to actively want us to lose games.
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This time last year it was Blackpool who were getting all the praise, before that Hull. Wait and see where they are in a few months before proclaiming him the next big thing.
That's true,but two promotions in two years,while trying to play positive football is pretty impressive. Most of us on here in the summer wouldve preferred us to take a chance on him than the meat and two veg football of Mccleish.
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like the amazing left winger Pilkington, the gifted left back Tierney, the reliable defender Russel Martin (that can play either full back or central defenders), or two solid players like midfielder Fox and central forward Morison.
Ruel Fox? Just like in '92/93 when us and the Canaries ripped up the league...halcyon days. Mind you they did the double over us didn't they? What might have been...And they ended up third with a negative goal difference. Classy Canaries.
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I wouldn't say it's too early. Norwich has had back to back promotions under him. They're currently sitting top half of the table. His team can pass well, look very structured and composed. They actually look too good to go down under his tactics. Great manager.
I'm not looking forward to playing them at all. I think this will be the game where every self respecting Vlla fan will want McLeish out ASAP when Lambert's team get a comfortable win at Villa Park.
Are you incapable of posting without droning on about wanting McLeish out?
You seem to actively want us to lose games.
2 wins out of 9. And we haven't played Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Tottenham yet. He is a diabloical manager. There's no excuses for him.
I don't want us to lose games. I just know McLeish isn't good enough to get us the results we need and can admit it. He hasn't warranted any backing this season. The results overall have been fairly poor along with shambolic performances. He can't even organise our defence that well. The only reason we appear better defensively is thanks to Given who should get the credit. Oh and apart from Given, the summer purchases were horrific. Can't stand the man because he knows he is out of his depth, but his wages have increased so he is going with the flow at the expense of our club. Don't worry, you'll soon get sick of him when we're in a shit position by new year. By then, I'll just be more prepared by the inevitable and it won't hurt as bad.
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Don't worry, you'll soon get sick of him when we're in a shit position by new year. By then, I'll just be more prepared by the inevitable and it won't hurt as bad.
Personally I'd prefer to wait until the New Year and see where we are rather than be depressed now about something that may not happen.
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I don't know what went wrong at Colchester and I know he was admired by the fans. However, I have friends who work on the inside at Colchester who say they were pleased to see the back of him and that he based all his ideas, including mannerisms, on a certain MON.
Be careful what you wish for.
Sour grapes because he left when and how he did I don't know.
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Lambert looks a very promising manager. Have to say though, that I've noticed his touchline mannerisms are spookily similar to Martin O'Neill's.
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Lambert undoubtedly is one to keep an eye on in future but i think any manager would struggle given the circumstances in which mcleish took the job , any club who sells its prize assets year after year and doesnt reinvest the cash on new players is heading for trouble and i would label more blame on lerner than mcleish for the current situation.
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Last year, in this period, I had a dream: Paul Lambert at Villa.
Not only today's game, but the entire season (ours and the Canaries' one) convinced me that he'd be the right man for the job.
Rumours has it that it could be our new manager, hasn't it?
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His comments in his post match press conference didn't sound like those of a man staying where he is.
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No he sounds like he's off.
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I have a gut feeling he'd be right for us.
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I think he'll be our next manager.
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Well he certainly stuck with Colchester through thick and thin. I hear that limpets model themselves on him.
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One thing I will say is he strikes me as the sort of bloke who'll put up with no fucking about, and run things the way he wants to, and that's what we need more than anything right now.
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Anyone got quotes from his press conference?
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I'm pretty sure I thought that about McLeish, God help me.
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One thing I will say is he strikes me as the sort of bloke who'll put up with no fucking about, and run things the way he wants to, and that's what we need more than anything right now.
Yup.
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Ex Norwich managers dont usually do too bad at Villa.
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If you look here, they are pretty much resigned to it.
Apparently Lambert wished "them" all the best for next season.
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/board.php
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I hope behind the scenes something has happened. I don't care if the board has been dirty and gone behind anyones back to do this. It would make a change to be ruthless.
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I remember Norwichs game at manure I think it was in Oct,they lost 3-2,but really took the game to them,no fear,polar opposite to us this.
Get him in Randy.
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If you look here, they are pretty much resigned to it.
Apparently Lambert wished "them" all the best for next season.
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/board.php
I have to say, that's one of the most amateurishly designed forums I've seen in years.
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If you look here, they are pretty much resigned to it.
Apparently Lambert wished "them" all the best for next season.
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/board.php
I have to say, that's one of the most amateurishly designed forums I've seen in years.
It also gives you a mighty headache.
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One thing I will say is he strikes me as the sort of bloke who'll put up with no fucking about, and run things the way he wants to, and that's what we need more than anything right now.
Exactly what we said about McLeish last year...
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I hope behind the scenes something has happened. I don't care if the board has been
dirty and gone behind anyones back to do this. It would make a change to be ruthless.
I hope they left a briefcase of used fifties at carrow road.
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Made comments about us on SkySports, seems relatively positive to me.
"Norwich City manager Paul Lambert has shrugged off speculation about his future after he received the backing of Aston Villa supporters.
Lambert has worked wonders at Carrow Road in leading Norwich from League One to the Premier League, and subsequently securing top-flight survival.
The Canaries rounded off their first season back among the elite with a 2-0 win over Villa on Sunday and Lambert has been mooted as a replacement for Alex McLeish.
His fellow Scot has endured a difficult debut season at Villa Park and fans called for McLeish's dismissal during the defeat at Norwich.
Villa supporters also showed their backing for Lambert, although the Canaries chief refused to be drawn on the chants of the away fans."
"Aston Villa is not my team. Norwich is and the Norwich fans singing it is greatly appreciated," said Lambert.
"I understand what is happening at Aston Villa and I can see what is happening with the crowd and the manager which is never nice.
"But that is out of my control - my control is Norwich and the Norwich fans have been brilliant for me."
As for his own future, the 42-year-old said: "I don't really worry about myself to be honest. I just worry about the team.
"Speculation doesn't really bother me - I just get on with it. You can never stop people speculating about your team or yourself."
Asked if he would still be with Norwich at the start of next season, Lambert said: "It is a hard one to answer that because I have a contract here and everyone is doing great in their respective jobs.
"I will get this season out of the road and then I will see what happens and think about what is going on and the achievements we have done and then we will see."
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One thing I will say is he strikes me as the sort of bloke who'll put up with no fucking about, and run things the way he wants to, and that's what we need more than anything right now.
Exactly what we said about McLeish last year...
Lambert has fifty times the talent though.
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If you look here, they are pretty much resigned to it.
Apparently Lambert wished "them" all the best for next season.
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/board.php
I have to say, that's one of the most amateurishly designed forums I've seen in years.
C'mon Paul, join a team with a proper forum.
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With a note: 'More where this came from'
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Made comments about us on SkySports, seems relatively positive to me.
"I will get this season out of the road and then I will see what happens and think about what is going on and the achievements we have done and then we will see."
The season finished five hours ago, Mr Lambert. Time to make your choice.
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That interview is about as close to 'I'm leaving this summer' as you'll get.
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If you look here, they are pretty much resigned to it.
Apparently Lambert wished "them" all the best for next season.
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/board.php
I have to say, that's one of the most amateurishly designed forums I've seen in years.
Ye lateft in internette technologie (http://members.boardhost.com/bluearmy/)
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You know if we get all excited he will end up at the Stripeys.
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You know if we get all excited he will end up at the Stripeys.
And we get Mick McCarthy.
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You know if we get all excited he will end up at the Stripeys.
In which case we'll pretend that we didn't want him at all, and yes, Mick McCarthy really is the man to lead us back to the promised land.
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One thing I will say is he strikes me as the sort of bloke who'll put up with no fucking about, and run things the way he wants to, and that's what we need more than anything right now.
Exactly what we said about McLeish last year...
That and "WHAT THE FUCK?"
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There's a nightmare scenario.
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Any time you're Aston way,
Any evening, any day,
You'll find us all
Doin' the Lambert Walk. Oi!
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One major stumbling block with Lambert could be that his role model is his old manager Martin O'Neill. Can't see him even thinking about the Villa job without consulting O'Neill first and we all know what O'Neill thinks of the heirarchy at Villa Park.
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If you look here, they are pretty much resigned to it.
Apparently Lambert wished "them" all the best for next season.
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/board.php
I have to say, that's one of the most amateurishly designed forums I've seen in years.
Ye lateft in internette technologie (http://members.boardhost.com/bluearmy/)
What's a 'massage board'?
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But we are in the promised land. In the part that floods with sewage occasionally.
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One major stumbling block with Lambert could be that his role model is his old manager Martin O'Neill. Can't see him even thinking about the Villa job without consulting O'Neill first and we all know what O'Neill thinks of the heirarchy at Villa Park.
A stumbling block that could easily be removed on the production of a massive contract.
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I didn't know you could still find forums that looked like those. Someone really needs to let them know that it's not 1998 anymore.
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Sounds like if he comes you need Culverhouse to come with him,
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/message.php?pid=1779625
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Sounds like if he comes you need Culverhouse to come with him,
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/message.php?pid=1779625
I like their style:
According to Lambert
Culverhouse does pretty much all the tactics.
If that's the case what does Lambert do?
What does God do?........ he gets his Angels to do all the work.
Spreads evil and creates famine.
So it says in the bible.
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The way they discuss him, he sounds so much like MON markII that it scares me off him a little. Doesn't spend time with the players, keeps distance, Culverhouse does all the tactics etc..
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If anybody thinks that our tosser of a manager will be re-placed by anybody else bfore next season then dream on Lerner has caused this bollox and he will have to live with it. We ARE GOING NO FUCKING WHERE QUICKLY! and that is all that needs to be said. Next season, the same old shite, the same old results, until maybe Christmas time.Then we will be proper fucked! Anybody got a more possitive line on things?
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The way they discuss him, he sounds so much like MON markII that it scares me off him a little. Doesn't spend time with the players, keeps distance, Culverhouse does all the tactics etc..
If it works, he could wear a MON wig for all I care.
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Dunno, I would prefer more of a tactical thinker, MArtinez or Rodgers would be above Lambert I think.
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Dunno, I would prefer more of a tactical thinker, MArtinez or Rodgers would be above Lambert I think.
Rodgers has a huge ego. Seems more like MON than Lambert lol!
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Dunno, I would prefer more of a tactical thinker, MArtinez or Rodgers would be above Lambert I think.
I don't mind as long as he has the right combination as an assistant. I've seen Norwich vary their tactics quite a bit this season. I'd be happy with him or Martinez.
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I've said before that i'm not 100% convinced by Lambert.
However, I also admit that i'd piggyback him up to B6 from Norwich if it got him in as manager tomorrow. Well next week with how long it would take, male that next month with how unfit I am.
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Dunno, I would prefer more of a tactical thinker, MArtinez or Rodgers would be above Lambert I think.
Who are we kidding?
Can't afford to get rid & let's say we do - do we honestly think Lambert is going to come to us after hearing the way we c*nted off McLeish all day today?
Why on earth would he want the grief? Norwich love him. Houllier was ill but we effectively hounded him out and McLeish is getting the same treatment.
Much as I absolutely hate this situation - I think we're stuck with McLeish. God I hope I'm wrong.
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I've said before that i'm not 100% convinced by Lambert.
However, I also admit that i'd piggyback him up to B6 from Norwich if it got him in as manager tomorrow. Well next week with how long it would take, male that next month with how unfit I am.
I would, if required, come and give you a hand, or shoulder in this case and get the bugger here in half the time (you may be carrying us both by the time we leave East Anglia) if it was a goer, but like you, I am not 100% convinced. He is much younger and hopefully less set in his ways, but I do think we have to accept that he needs his assistant and we HAVE to sort the scouting, or retain Roeder to oversee the scouting side of things.
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Dunno, I would prefer more of a tactical thinker, MArtinez or Rodgers would be above Lambert I think.
Who are we kidding?
Can't afford to get rid & let's say we do - do we honestly think Lambert is going to come to us after hearing the way we c*nted off McLeish all day today?
Why on earth would he want the grief? Norwich love him. Houllier was ill but we effectively hounded him out and McLeish is getting the same treatment.
Much as I absolutely hate this situation - I think we're stuck with McLeish. God I hope I'm wrong.
Houllier and McLeish both brought it on themselves by showing us a complete lack of respect.
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Dunno, I would prefer more of a tactical thinker, MArtinez or Rodgers would be above Lambert I think.
Who are we kidding?
Can't afford to get rid & let's say we do - do we honestly think Lambert is going to come to us after hearing the way we c*nted off McLeish all day today?
Why on earth would he want the grief? Norwich love him. Houllier was ill but we effectively hounded him out and McLeish is getting the same treatment.
Much as I absolutely hate this situation - I think we're stuck with McLeish. God I hope I'm wrong.
Our fans sang his name today. Any manager offered the job now in my opinion should jump. There will be a bit of money, not loads but more than Norwich I am sure, the deadwood can be sold as most are only on 12 months to go, and the fans are dying for anyone other than Eck. Mid table with a few home wins would be heroic next season, and you would have the whole of VP with you. I think if you are at a smaller club at the moment, you should jump at our job.
I took the piss on another thread saying the downward step, it would be a big step up from Norwich, and one that could, if you get it right, lead to the bigger step of a top 3-4 side.
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Dunno, I would prefer more of a tactical thinker, MArtinez or Rodgers would be above Lambert I think.
Who are we kidding?
Can't afford to get rid & let's say we do - do we honestly think Lambert is going to come to us after hearing the way we c*nted off McLeish all day today?
Why on earth would he want the grief? Norwich love him. Houllier was ill but we effectively hounded him out and McLeish is getting the same treatment.
Much as I absolutely hate this situation - I think we're stuck with McLeish. God I hope I'm wrong.
Our fans sang his name today. Any manager offered the job now in my opinion should jump. There will be a bit of money, not loads but more than Norwich I am sure, the deadwood can be sold as most are only on 12 months to go, and the fans are dying for anyone other than Eck. Mid table with a few home wins would be heroic next season, and you would have the whole of VP with you. I think if you are at a smaller club at the moment, you should jump at our job.
I took the piss on another thread saying the downward step, it would be a big step up from Norwich, and one that could, if you get it right, lead to the bigger step of a top 3-4 side.
I was with you all the way until the top 3-4 side bit.
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It is a fact of life. Even Redknapp was courted by Chelsea a while back, and they are in and around the top 4, so it is wrong to think we won't lose a manager if he comes in and does a great job.
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The way they discuss him, he sounds so much like MON markII that it scares me off him a little. Doesn't spend time with the players, keeps distance, Culverhouse does all the tactics etc..
A few sixth place finishes in a row? Hmm, I could live with that even if he turns out to be a dick.
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Oh, gotcha, for a moment I thought you were referring to the fact that we could ever be considered as a top 3-4 side. Alas, those days are gone!
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The way they discuss him, he sounds so much like MON markII that it scares me off him a little. Doesn't spend time with the players, keeps distance, Culverhouse does all the tactics etc..
A few sixth place finishes in a row? Hmm, I could live with that even if he turns out to be a dick.
So could I if done without the crippling wage bill and some entertaining football at home.
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The way they discuss him, he sounds so much like MON markII that it scares me off him a little. Doesn't spend time with the players, keeps distance, Culverhouse does all the tactics etc..
A few sixth place finishes in a row? Hmm, I could live with that even if he turns out to be a dick.
So could I if done without the crippling wage bill and some entertaining football at home.
I was never that enthusiastic about MON and was usually critical after Moscow (I wonder can I still find my posts from that time?) and gave him as much grief as anybody when he walked.
But, after that season, it'd be nice to be back chasing the top four. Even if the new man was similar in style to Ol' pube head.
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IMHO MON and PL have nothing to do one with the other. MON can be a good players motivator, but as far as tactics are concerned is an old style manager that plays defensive football, whereas PL is a modern manager that loves entertainng, passing, attacking football and that at Carrow Road achieved great successes with second or third division players.
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The way they discuss him, he sounds so much like MON markII that it scares me off him a little. Doesn't spend time with the players, keeps distance, Culverhouse does all the tactics etc..
A few sixth place finishes in a row? Hmm, I could live with that even if he turns out to be a dick.
So could I if done without the crippling wage bill and some entertaining football at home.
I was never that enthusiastic about MON and was usually critical after Moscow (I wonder can I still find my posts from that time?) and gave him as much grief as anybody when he walked.
But, after that season, it'd be nice to be back chasing the top four. Even if the new man was similar in style to Ol' pube head.
I would be happy with similar results, but actually scoring goals and twatting a few sides at VP, coupled with an emphasis on young, exciting players in the main, and a supply line for Bent, who has said he is staying at Villa on twitter tonight.
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I'd be happy with Lambert. But why would he want to come to Villa?
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Well we know, we're still a big club with great potential. You don't get many opportunities to have a blank canvass approach at a genuinely big Club.
He'd have a long term free reign to build a club in his own image, some decent young players to work with and some financial backing. Also starting at such a low ebb is ideal for a new man - he'll take all the credit for improvements
It's probably the biggest job he could currently hope for so if he's genuinely ambitious he should take it like a shot.
Randy needs to do what the Ynaks do best - sell us to a good Manager and his team.
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I'd be happy with Lambert. But why would he want to come to Villa?
£2m a year?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18053446
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18053446
Hmm, he seemed a bit flustered and I don't know if we can take anything from that really. 'It's not nice'.
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Dunno, I would prefer more of a tactical thinker, MArtinez or Rodgers would be above Lambert I think.
Why on earth would he want the grief? Norwich love him. Houllier was ill but we effectively hounded him out and McLeish is getting the same treatment.
That suggests we all knew he was going to have another cardiac problem yet were so cruel as to abuse him until we made him retire. What actually happened was that Houllier couldn't put a decent string of results together, banged on about Liverpool like a lovestruck teenager, and alienated most of our squad, and rightly fans weren't happy with that and let him know it. And then towards the end of the season, he was ill again. Don't confuse the two.
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The way they discuss him, he sounds so much like MON markII that it scares me off him a little. Doesn't spend time with the players, keeps distance, Culverhouse does all the tactics etc..
A few sixth place finishes in a row? Hmm, I could live with that even if he turns out to be a dick.
So could I if done without the crippling wage bill and some entertaining football at home.
I was never that enthusiastic about MON and was usually critical after Moscow (I wonder can I still find my posts from that time?) and gave him as much grief as anybody when he walked.
But, after that season, it'd be nice to be back chasing the top four. Even if the new man was similar in style to Ol' pube head.
There are similarities in th way MON sets up and Lambert. But if you watched how they took it to Arsenal and Man U this season he has his teams playing with a real sense of style and purpose. I miss seeing that in a Villa side so badly.
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Lambert, with Culverhouse, will do for me.
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The one thing we have to do whether its Lambert or anyone else that's a Decent manager, is give him time!
Its going to be a Bloody hard desk repairing the damage McLeish has done but for me, I only need the slightest bit encouragement that were going to attempt football and Im good with that at the minute.
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Im not entirely convinced with Lambert possibly becoming our manager. yes he has done well at Norwich but im sure they have a lower expectation than us.
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Is Randy going to pay for Lambert? No.
I'd like to get one of Martinez, Lambert and Rodgers. Young, hungry, and impressive. Is Martinez out of contract now? If so, he might be the easier option. Given that Wigan were dead and buried and have such a poor squad, no money to spend, to have finished 5 points ahead of us is quite something.
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If Randy is going to pay for a manager, he has to get it 100% right. No fucking around. Make a choice, a good choice, a sensible choice from the start and stick with it. McLeish wasn't a sensible choice. In not one respect. Lambert would have. Ever so impressed with Norwich yesterday, yeah, Ok... we were bad, but they're a bunch of players that you'd have expected to go straight down this season, they've been very good all season. Well done, Paul. Our hot-seat awaits... hopefully....
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I think Lambert may well take it if offered the job.
He knows he probably can't do any better with Norwich than he has done already and they are likely heading for '2nd season syndrome'. If he's clever he'll have seen what happens to managers like Coyle, who didn't make the next step up when their stock was at it's highest.
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I think Lambert may well take it if offered the job.
He knows he probably can't do any better with Norwich than he has done already and they are likely heading for '2nd season syndrome'. If he's clever he'll have seen what happens to managers like Coyle, who didn't make the next step up when their stock was at it's highest.
I though something similar last night John watching his comments, in the way he was talking about not standing still in football I though he was referring to himself as much as he was Norwich. Plus, lets face it, Martinez stayed out of loyalty last summer, not through the size of the club, and I reckon he would jump now given the chance.
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I think he'd take it too, John. I think he recognises the right opportunity when it comes about - didn't hesitate to leave Colchester for Norwich, despite Colchester hammering Norwich 7-1 just a few weeks before. Knew that Norwich had the stronger infrastructure and could go far higher with them, and so it proved.
His mannerisms are spookily similar to MON, and he likes wearing tracksuits on the touchline, too. I'm not sure how similar they are as coaches, though. I've read a couple of good features on him this season, about how he's changed his formation at half-time (going to 3-5-2 in the case I read), which allowed Norwich to take control of the game and eventually win it. So, he comes across as a coach confident to make changes to influence games - in the case of the game I was reading about, I don't think Norwich were losing at the break; he saw the way the game was going and made a positive decision which helped them to win.
We need some of that. Plus, and I think I've said this before, he's one of those coaches who can make a limited budget stretch a long way. I'd rather he had £10m to spend than McLeish had £20-30m.
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I think Lambert may well take it if offered the job.
He knows he probably can't do any better with Norwich than he has done already and they are likely heading for '2nd season syndrome'. If he's clever he'll have seen what happens to managers like Coyle, who didn't make the next step up when their stock was at it's highest.
I though something similar last night John watching his comments, in the way he was talking about not standing still in football I though he was referring to himself as much as he was Norwich. Plus, lets face it, Martinez stayed out of loyalty last summer, not through the size of the club, and I reckon he would jump now given the chance.
As already mentioned, Lambert has shown in the past that he will put his needs and interests first and foremost. My Colchester supporting friends still have not forgiven him for going with them to Norwich first game of the season, thumping Norwich 7-1, and then moving to manage Norwich the following week. And they absolutely adored him down Layer Road....otherwise known as the Western Community something of other faceless new stadium. Of course, that could rebound on us as well further down the line if he takes us on and then makes a success of it
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He could get us back to around 9th in the short term with £10m, but if we're to have a decent crack again that £20-30m is needed regardless of who the manager is.
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Yes, to crack the top six again we'd need those kind of funds. Small steps though first - stage 1, stop Villa being a laughing stock! That'll do for me right now.
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A young ambitious manager? Yes please.
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Yes, to crack the top six again we'd need those kind of funds. Small steps though first - stage 1, stop Villa being a laughing stock! That'll do for me right now.
I agree. I can honestly say I would be happy with finishing 9th/10th next season while playing some decent football and a decent cup run. Its going to take time before we can start talking about top 6 again.
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I just want us to go out looking to win matches again, rather than have this fatalistic approach all the time.
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As already mentioned, Lambert has shown in the past that he will put his needs and interests first and foremost. My Colchester supporting friends still have not forgiven him for going with them to Norwich first game of the season, thumping Norwich 7-1, and then moving to manage Norwich the following week. And they absolutely adored him down Layer Road....otherwise known as the Western Community something of other faceless new stadium. Of course, that could rebound on us as well further down the line if he takes us on and then makes a success of it
Well that’s the price of success, if he (or anyone) does a good job here there’ll be linked with other jobs. I think at the moment we would all take that, we simply cannot have another season under the poisonous stewardship of McLeish.
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Indeed. Are we sorry we signed Ashley Young because he eventually buggered of to Man Utd?
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I just want us to go out looking to win matches again, rather than have this fatalistic approach all the time.
Spot on Paulie. I'm fed up of going to VP expecting dross football, few goals, few points and post match bullshit. I want to get back to being excited come match day
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I just want us to go out looking to win matches again, rather than have this fatalistic approach all the time.
Spot on Paulie. I'm fed up of going to VP expecting dross football, few goals, few points and post match bullshit. I want to get back to being excited come match day
Same here, Villa is a very easy job now. We just want to try to win, Mcleish has made the person who follows him virtually guaranteed to be popular and succeed.
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If nothing else comes from this season, you really have to go through the lows to appreciate the highs...(or higher at least). The mere thought of relegation has frightened me to death this season..
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He could get us back to around 9th in the short term with £10m, but if we're to have a decent crack again that £20-30m is needed regardless of who the manager is.
To be honest I'd sell Bent. I think there are better foreign players out there who'd cost half the amount.
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http://www.sport360.com/article/aston-villa-axe-alex-mcleish-line-paul-lambert?
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He could get us back to around 9th in the short term with £10m, but if we're to have a decent crack again that £20-30m is needed regardless of who the manager is.
To be honest I'd sell Bent. I think there are better foreign players out there who'd cost half the amount.
I'd keep him, good goalscorers are very hard to come by.
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Would much prefer Martinez but would happy be with Lambert.
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He could get us back to around 9th in the short term with £10m, but if we're to have a decent crack again that £20-30m is needed regardless of who the manager is.
To be honest I'd sell Bent. I think there are better foreign players out there who'd cost half the amount.
I'd keep him, good goalscorers are very hard to come by.
Me too...he's a goalscorer pure and simple and they are few and far between in this league...unless you have £35 million to splash on the likes of Aguero and co..
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Would much prefer Martinez but would happy be with Lambert.
Same space I am in....
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I don't see the point in selling Bent to get a foreign striker in who MIGHT score the same goals.
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Lambert would be the best choice IMO, although I can see Di Matteo getting it once Chelski get beat on Saturday.
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Lambert would be the best choice IMO, although I can see Di Matteo getting it once Chelski get beat on Saturday.
I think that RDM is more likely to stay at Chelsea if they lose than if they win.
If they win, they'll be able to attract a higher profile manager. If they lose, they might just decide to stick with the guy who's done a pretty good job.
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RDM isnt actually managing the team. The old guard are. Don't want him.
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Apart from nobody's on Twitter going on heresay about Lambert coming to us is there any reliable/credible sources that actually suggests we want Lambert in the first place?
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Not really.
Martinez, Rodgers, Lambert, Poyet would be my list right now.
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Not really.
Martinez, Rodgers, Lambert, Poyet would be my list right now.
Yep as realistic choices they'd do. We should not sell Bent whatever the scenario. He managed to score some goals in Mcleish's team, imagine what he could do with a team that attacks.
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I hate to frighten everyone but Avram Grant has just left his job at Partizan Belgrave
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Not really.
Martinez, Rodgers, Lambert, Poyet would be my list right now.
Yea I can see the appeal of going for a younger manager.
I will honestly say I don't know too much about Lambert's or Rodgers which would excite me enough if either were our manager, but that's just me who's watched less football this season. I've watched Swansea and Norwich a few times this season and have times looked good especially for a promotion team. I know what Martinez can do and I like him but not sure if I'm 100% sold on him being our new manager. Poyet is an interesting one.
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He could get us back to around 9th in the short term with £10m, but if we're to have a decent crack again that £20-30m is needed regardless of who the manager is.
To be honest I'd sell Bent. I think there are better foreign players out there who'd cost half the amount.
I also disagree Risso, as I feel Bent is the one true match winner we have at the moment. I would much prefer us to keep Bent and build the side around him. He is a proven Premiership goalscorer and those are very hard to come by. If we can build a team around Bent, then I would bring in Jordan Rhodes from Huddersfield as his understudy, as I think he is a similar player. Hopefully after a couple of seasons, Rhodes would be a ready made replacement for Bent.
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IMHO MON and PL have nothing to do one with the other. MON can be a good players motivator, but as far as tactics are concerned is an old style manager that plays defensive football, whereas PL is a modern manager that loves entertainng, passing, attacking football and that at Carrow Road achieved great successes with second or third division players.
Indeed. All these rumours about Lambert being very similar to MON were started by Martin O'Neill.
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You would hope a young up coming manager like Lambert would have a fresher more modern approach than MON. The guy has play all over Europe and would bring different ideas than the old 80's style MON tactics. 1 reason Id be worried if he was like MON would be bringing YET more average technically poor British footballers. Time to replace these plodders we have at this club and look to the way certain clubs are doing now (Newcastle) and other clubs have been doing for years (Arsenal).
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I wouldn't mind him and Culverhouse if it is to believed that together they are at their strongest, anything has to be better than AM.
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Lambert was recently quoted as saying that he couldn't afford the foreign players at Norwich, so you'd hope given more to spent he'd be looking outside the lower leagues to strengthen our squad.
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Lambert would be a good choice i think, but would need time and patience. That said, i wouldn't expect him to under achieve in the first place like McLeish. if he came, without much backing i would expect us to go to mid-table next season with better football, if he gets backing then maybe challenge for the Europa league places. But if it didn't quite happen straight away, he would need to be given time.
In terms of keeping Bent, it comes back to the same argument as last summer with Young and Downing, if wants to go, let him and get as much money as possible. I would like to think that anything we got would be re-invested (and some) this summer. If he wants to stay though i would keep him, because if the right manager can set us up to supply him, we are not going to get anyone more likely to score 20+ goals next season.
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Would much prefer Martinez but would happy be with Lambert.
Martinez:
Wigan Athletic 14 August 2009 to Present P: 127 W: 34 D: 36 L: 57 26.77%
- only 5% better than F'eck.
Well at least we're used to it I suppose
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Would much prefer Martinez but would happy be with Lambert.
Martinez:
Wigan Athletic 14 August 2009 to Present P: 127 W: 34 D: 36 L: 57 26.77%
- only 5% better than F'eck.
Well at least we're used to it I suppose
Wigan have an average attendance of about 15 home fans and are far less superior club than Villa so dont think you can assume he will have same win rate as us!
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We said the same when the Scottish manager left Small Heath.
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In an interview with Paul Lambert he said that Norwich have an upcoming friendly game against Celtic? Can't see him leaving before then if he was to leave with his connections up there. Does anyone know when that match is?
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Hmmmm There we go Norwich Celtic is on the 22nd May
http://www.canaries.co.uk/page/NewsDetails/0,,10355~2711584,00.html
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Why would Lambert give a flying toss about a friendly with regards to his future?
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Why would Lambert give a flying toss about a friendly with regards to his future?
Seeing as he spent 8 years at Celtic and was probably the main if not the only reason that they agreed to play the friendly with Norwich in the first place (mixed with his connections up there) It doesn't seem beyond the realms of possibility that they may be contributing factors to someone wanting to see that through.
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Why would Lambert give a flying toss about a friendly with regards to his future?
Seeing as he spent 8 years at Celtic and was probably the main if not the only reason that they agreed to play the friendly with Norwich in the first place (mixed with his connections up there) It doesn't seem beyond the realms of possibility that they may be contributing factors to someone wanting to see that through.
I can't see him overseeing a friendly for Norwich being more important than where he goes next with his career, not for a second.
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Why would Lambert give a flying toss about a friendly with regards to his future?
Seeing as he spent 8 years at Celtic and was probably the main if not the only reason that they agreed to play the friendly with Norwich in the first place (mixed with his connections up there) It doesn't seem beyond the realms of possibility that they may be contributing factors to someone wanting to see that through.
I can't see him overseeing a friendly for Norwich being more important than where he goes next with his career, not for a second.
I'm not saying or suggesting more important. But in the interview Lambert made a point of saying that he needed to get the Celtic game out of the way and then evaluate how to move forward after that. (It did take him a week to move from Colchester to Norwich after all)
On a related note. A friend of mine who is a season ticket holder at Norwich last week said that there were big rumours that we were after Paul Lambert and their guy who did the finance there (I've forgotten his name). He seemed resigned to losing Lambert as he felt that Lambert probably couldn't take them much higher due to their lack of resources. He thought it would be a good move (but was disappointed that Norwich didn't have the chance to relegate us as we had them in the 90's - they'd not forgotten and have apparently been holding it against us for some time).
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Would much prefer Martinez but would happy be with Lambert.
Martinez:
Wigan Athletic 14 August 2009 to Present P: 127 W: 34 D: 36 L: 57 26.77%
- only 5% better than F'eck.
Well at least we're used to it I suppose
If we are talking statistics, here's a surprising one that has only just dawned on me. The Scottish etc.'s longest winning streak in the league last season was 1. Although, to be fair, he did achieve that seven times.
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I know its only been 1 day but I hope this doesnt drag on too long. Although as it seems to everyone if Lambert is the preferred choice weve got quite a struggle to get Norwich to let us talk to him in the 1st place after their statement.
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I'm sure their statement was just a way of positioning themselves to get the most amount of compensation that they can for him.
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Wheer can I see this statement?
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Mick Dennis from the Express was talking on TS about Lambert. This must be qualified by the fact that he is a Norwich fan and who he works for but he always seems to make calm considered points and never reverts to cliche, so I do value his opinion.
His main reservation was the fact that Lambert is a MON acolyte and this may put him off but also count against him in the eyes of the owners. He couldn't praise him highly enough though.
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Something about this situation that makes me very happy is that despite our awful season, we're still seen as a step up for someone like Lambert, despite Norwich finishing above us. There are big positives in that that we may take for granted.
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Would much prefer Martinez but would happy be with Lambert.
Martinez:
Wigan Athletic 14 August 2009 to Present P: 127 W: 34 D: 36 L: 57 26.77%
- only 5% better than F'eck.
Well at least we're used to it I suppose
Wigan have an average attendance of about 15 home fans and are far less superior club than Villa so dont think you can assume he will have same win rate as us!
If your criteria is a manager that has done well at Wigan under those conditions, you'd have to go for Martinezs predecessor, who has a superior win ratio.
But I wouldn't want Steve Bruce either.
Just realised this isnt really Lambert related. Isn't it time we had a separate Martinez thread?
Edit - there is one already- sorry
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Mick Dennis from the Express was talking on TS about Lambert. This must be qualified by the fact that he is a Norwich fan and who he works for but he always seems to make calm considered points and never reverts to cliche, so I do value his opinion.
His main reservation was the fact that Lambert is a MON acolyte and this may put him off but also count against him in the eyes of the owners. He couldn't praise him highly enough though.
I heard the same conversation and wasn't aware of the link between Lambert and pubehead. That could throw a huge spanner in the works and would be just like him to do it as well.
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Dave Whelan has said that villa have NOT approached him about speaking to Martinez.
Also on twitter, Tom Ross (yes I know) has tweeted saying that AVFC know who they want and would like to appoint him sooner rather than later.
Now with Whelan saying AVFC have not approached them about Martinez, I strongly believe that Lambert is the main candidate.
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Dave Whelan has said that villa have NOT approached him about speaking to Martinez.
Also on twitter, Tom Ross (yes I know) has tweeted saying that AVFC know who they want and would like to appoint him sooner rather than later.
Now with Whelan saying AVFC have not approached them about Martinez, I strongly believe that Lambert is the main candidate.
Wouldnt listen to anything that blue nose dinosaur says about our club. Its been 1 day so not suprised noone has been approached as yet. Probably not even finalised their shortlist as yet. Going by Faulkners interview (on BBC) they are only just starting to look.
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Someone twittered earlier that one of the Norwich forums stated that Lambert has resigned...then it was quickly taken down.
I love the silly season...gut feeling is that we will get him though.
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Mick Dennis from the Express was talking on TS about Lambert. This must be qualified by the fact that he is a Norwich fan and who he works for but he always seems to make calm considered points and never reverts to cliche, so I do value his opinion.
His main reservation was the fact that Lambert is a MON acolyte and this may put him off but also count against him in the eyes of the owners. He couldn't praise him highly enough though.
I heard the same conversation and wasn't aware of the link between Lambert and pubehead. That could throw a huge spanner in the works and would be just like him to do it as well.
I heard the same interview and I was really impressed with what he said about Lambert and how he manages.
I am now in the Lambert camp after hearing his view.
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I hate Mick Quinn what a prize Twat
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I hate Mick Quinn what a prize Twat
Just a WUM trying to get people to call in mate, im listening too hehe. As if trying to say Norwich are better than Villa.
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Talksport employ Darren Gough as an expert football pundit. Enough said really.
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Dave Whelan has said that villa have NOT approached him about speaking to Martinez.
Also on twitter, Tom Ross (yes I know) has tweeted saying that AVFC know who they want and would like to appoint him sooner rather than later.
Now with Whelan saying AVFC have not approached them about Martinez, I strongly believe that Lambert is the main candidate.
Whelan can fuck off and take Martinez with him. If the board don't even try and get Lambert then they're mental. He's the man as far as I'm concerned. I think someone on here (or somewhere) expressed concern that he doesn't look to sign foreign players, but I believe he is on record saying that the money just wasn't available at Norwich.
Give him a couple of seasons and I believe he'll have us scrapping at the right end of the table again.
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With Lamberts links to the Bundesliga who's to say he isn't already aware of the next Demba Ba or Papiss Cisse?
Norwich have been shopping in a different market to us, same as we dont have access to the Man City/Chelsea pool of players.
All I'll say is, if Lambert rolled up at the Hawthorns tomorrow I'd be gutted at a missed opportunity, I think he'd be a big success there. However , if Martinez took the Liverpool job I'd piss myself stupid, and I'd have a fiver on the opposition every time they drew a lower league club in the cup.
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I really cant see Lambert leaving Norwich to go to the Baggies. That genuinely is a sideways move.
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I really cant see Lambert leaving Norwich to go to the Baggies. That genuinely is a sideways move.
Yeah, unless they're promising him loads of money and tens of millions to spend, then I just can't see it.
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No, I can't either to be fair (although they have tabs on him according to reports). Villa would be the bigger draw, no question.
I was thinking more that its not a bad indicator of a managers stature should you see him take a job elsewhere.
I'd see Lambert as an opportunity missed, and Martinez as a bullet dodged.
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I think this video from tonight adds more weight to Lambert's uncertain future at Norwich. I think the line "whatever happens I've had unbelievable times" does not sound like a man who's committed to the club.
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"Paul Lambert at POS dinner"
Not very complimentary of the food then.
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I think this video from tonight adds more weight to Lambert's uncertain future at Norwich. I think the line "whatever happens I've had unbelievable times" does not sound like a man who's committed to the club.
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That sounds to me very much like a manager who isn't going to be there next year - and knows it.
I wonder if we've tapped him up? I hope so.
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I think this video from tonight adds more weight to Lambert's uncertain future at Norwich. I think the line "whatever happens I've had unbelievable times" does not sound like a man who's committed to the club.
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Wowzers! It certainly doesn't look like he's staying at Norwich. I mentioned before about him staying for the Celtic testimonial that has only made me think even more that I don't think he'll be going anywhere til after then. Fingers crossed he'll be our new manager a week tomorrow.
That sounds to me very much like a manager who isn't going to be there next year - and knows it.
I wonder if we've tapped him up? I hope so.
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I think norwich tend to play a diamon don't they? Would be interesting to see that. Would suit Ireland, bannan, possibly delph and Gardner. Not sure where it leaves CNZ and think it leaves albrighton out in the cold
I wonder if he always wants to play with a big man up top. And it presumably needs better full backs to add the width and crossing ability.
Anyway, I'd still prefer Rodgers I think
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Don't know about always playing a diamond - he seems to ensure the squad is very adaptable and is quite prepared to totally change the team's tactics mid-way through a game to counter what the opposition are doing or expose a weakness in the opposition. That's always a sign of a good manager to me. They've always looked better after the half-time team talk which again, always suggests a good manager to me. I think Rodgers would still be my first choice too purely because of their playing style and having read about what he does in training but I wouldn't be opposed to Lambert in the slightest, even if it's for different reasons.
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Don't know about always playing a diamond - he seems to ensure the squad is very adaptable and is quite prepared to totally change the team's tactics mid-way through a game to counter what the opposition are doing or expose a weakness in the opposition. That's always a sign of a good manager to me. They've always looked better after the half-time team talk which again, always suggests a good manager to me. I think Rodgers would still be my first choice too purely because of their playing style and having read about what he does in training but I wouldn't be opposed to Lambert in the slightest, even if it's for different reasons.
Why what does Rodgers do in training?
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Good article here about Rodgers' and Lambert's approach to football.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea
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Regardless of what formations they play now, both aforementioned managers have demonstrated this season they're able to get the most from the resources at their disposal - the sign of a good coach I'd say and the sort we should be after.
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Good article here about Rodgers' and Lambert's approach to football.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea
the point I was making to Monty yesterday. Both are good managers, but Lambert certainly isn't as one dimensional as some would have you believe. He isn't direct, he isn't long ball, but can adapt based on circumstance. Something our Martin could never so. I watched Norwich keep up and often out-Arsenal, Arsenal. I also know his teams are superb at set pieces. Rodgers is good. Lambert for me is the better option for us right now because of his versatility.
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Lambert will need to prove next season that he can sustain his success of this season . I am not sure so leave him at Norwich for now.
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Good article here about Rodgers' and Lambert's approach to football.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea
Excellent article - great find :-)
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There was a good article in the Guardian about what Rodgers did in training that someone posted but I think that's buried somewhere in the other thread now.
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I think that article proves that it would be a good time to come to Villa. With Lerner and the staff unhappy with the experienced 'pro's' get them out and let him coach our younger players they way he wants. Adaptable tactics etc. Cant see the old guard wanting to change for anyone, as they have proved.
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I think that article proves that it would be a good time to come to Villa. With Lerner and the staff unhappy with the experienced 'pro's' get them out and let him coach our younger players they way he wants. Adaptable tactics etc. Cant see the old guard wanting to change for anyone, as they have proved.
I would get them out before the new man comes in, so that we don't have to go through another season of a manager giving them yet another opportunity. Heskey has already gone and I would move Dunne and Warnock on as well, so the manager can start afresh without them there.
Wouldn't be surprised to see Ireland moved on if a new manager comes in as well.
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There is a lot more to come from Ireland I reckon, and a manager with a more progressive approach will help him to kick on from a decent season last year.
Though in truth, I wouldn't be surprised to see him move on. If QPR os similar were prepared to take on his wages and offer a decent fee.
I'd definitely like to see Collins, Warnock and Dunne moved on, though realistically I'd settle for two out of three of that lot. Dunne alongside a more mobile CB might be something worth looking at.
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If we get a manager in who likes to play a passing game Ireland could be absolutely devastating.
Also, he's one of the only senior players to have actually performed to any kind of decent level last season so he should stay I reckon.
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Good article here about Rodgers' and Lambert's approach to football.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea)
Excellent article - great find :-)
I didn't understand a word of that. Changing formation, passing the ball out from the back.....what is this sorcery of which they speak?
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One thing that differentiates Lambert from O'Neill is his willingness to learn and develop. I was very impressed that he took Norwich out to watch Barcelona train and discussed the game with Guardiola, he sounded very much like he wanted to adopt a passing game.
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Good article here about Rodgers' and Lambert's approach to football.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea)
Excellent article - great find :-)
I didn't understand a word of that. Changing formation, passing the ball out from the back.....what is this sorcery of which they speak?
Yeah, but can they do it on a wet Wednesday night in Doncaster?
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Good article here about Rodgers' and Lambert's approach to football.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea)
Excellent article - great find :-)
I didn't understand a word of that. Changing formation, passing the ball out from the back.....what is this sorcery of which they speak?
Yeah, but can they do it on a wet Wednesday night in Doncaster?
Bugger, I've just checked and neither Norwich or Swansea beat Doncaster the year they got promoted. Mick McCarthy it is then.
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After Brendon Rodgers signed for Pool, and His Mayesty OGS renounced, I'm quite sure that Lambert will be the man. And having appreciated the honest Norwich's approach to the game in these years, and also the entertaining, attacking, passing football that the Canaries displayed with players that had played only in te lower division, I'd be more than happy!
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Good article here about Rodgers' and Lambert's approach to football.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea)
Excellent article - great find :-)
I didn't understand a word of that. Changing formation, passing the ball out from the back.....what is this sorcery of which they speak?
That is ridiculous. Bespoke tactics, suited to the opposition; goals from set pieces; outplaying Swansea on the floor - home and away. I'm not sure I've ever seen a Villa side that versatile.
Comparisons to MON are wide of the mark for me. MON had one tactic and he generally got it to work very well. But when teams came to VP and parked the bus he didn't have a clue how to deal with it. Lambert has proven this year that he just doesn't run out of ideas when it comes to tactics. Inevitably that will be frustrating at times when he's tinkering but at least it'll be a change from what we've endured for the last 15 years.
Bring it on I say.
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Good article here about Rodgers' and Lambert's approach to football.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea)
Excellent article - great find :-)
I didn't understand a word of that. Changing formation, passing the ball out from the back.....what is this sorcery of which they speak?
'Tis a rare magic that called "plan B".Good article here about Rodgers' and Lambert's approach to football.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea
Excellent article - great find :-)
Well this shows that Lambert has a plan B anyway!
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Lansley at The Times has tweeted that Lambert has resigned after Norwuch refused him permission to speak to us.
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Lansley at The Times has tweeted that Lambert has resigned after Norwuch refused him permission to speak to us.
I expect we will still be clobbered for Compensation. (assuming we still get him).
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Lansley at The Times has tweeted that Lambert has resigned after Norwuch refused him permission to speak to us.
It's always the way with us. Had it been the scouse they'd have bent over and buttered their own arse.
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4347635/Paul-Lambert-quits-Norwich-after-furious-row-over-Villa-job.html
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Does that mean both teams from the arse area of the country hate us now?
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hmm This surely means we'll get him now :)
Although Mark Hughes walked out on Fulham thinking he was going to the the Villa job couple of years ago.. nothing surprises me anymore.
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PL will be great for us .
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PL will be great for us .
Got to be better than TSM.
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His name doesn't fit great in the C&B army song. Better than Ole Gunnar Solskjær does though.
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His name doesn't fit great in the C&B army song. Better than Ole Gunnar Solskjær does though.
Might not scan as well as "Big Fat Ron's Claret and Blue Army", but should sound ok.
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Another in the mail.....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2152360/Aston-Villa-want-Paul-Lambert-replace-Alex-McLeish.html
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Reminds me a little of Fergie with a sprinkling of Roy Keane....
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Lansley at The Times has tweeted that Lambert has resigned after Norwich refused him permission to speak to us.
This is interesting, because if Norwich have been "refusing permission" all this time, it could explain the delay in the club appointing their first choice. I bet we still end up paying compensation too.
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Wanted Lambert from day one (though was tempted by the thought of OGS, I must admit) as he was the standout contender. Will be delighted if/when he gets it.
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Interesting, if he does join (and I'm not counting my chickens) to see which players will stay and how he'll want to line up.
I imagine a big man up top and a proper dcm will be top of the list. he played a diamond with norwicha lot I believe, though they also seemed to get a lot if crosses in?
Diamond could work well for the likes of Ireland at the tip, and delph / bannan on the left. Less sure where it leaves alby
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hasnt Lambert resigned over night ?
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hasnt Lambert resigned over night ?
talksport just said he has quit his job at norwich!
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hasnt Lambert resigned over night ?
talksport just said he has quit his job at norwich!
Best news I've heard for a long time!
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hasnt Lambert resigned over night ?
talksport just said he has quit his job at norwich!
Best news I've heard for a long time!
i think he will be wonderful for our place, wants to improve players and entertain! paul lambert, come on down!!!
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I was unsure over Lambert when the Solskjaer stuff was going on, but now it seems he'd be a sensible appointment.
He's had 3 very good seasons in a row, guess that doesn't happen a lot ;-)
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Cmon now Randy, get this f-ing done, ive had enough now
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This will be sorted soon. Then we can get a few players sorted. Thank god Heskey has left.
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I wanted Martinez, and I was keen on the unknownness of Solskjaer, but I will be very happy with Lambert, I wasn't struck on it before, but now it is happening I can see it being a massive improvement on McLeish and it is a good appointment... I'm coming round to the positiveness of this potential boss...
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and, at no point last season did Norwich look like they were going down...
Which players have they got which we can poach... Holt.. Obviously, but I'm thinking younger...
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Yep Im happy with Lambert, first thing he should do is phone McLeish and thank him for making his Job a bit easier and then we as Fans must give him the time to put his plans into place
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Howson and Naughton I'd take.
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His name doesn't fit great in the C&B army song. Better than Ole Gunnar Solskjær does though.
fits perfectly. 3 sylabells is what you need. im chuffed with this if we land him
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Howson and Naughton I'd take.
and pilkington possibly even ayala but dont know if he was on loan from 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'
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Naughton is a good shout.
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Decent right-back.
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A few papers still have stories up that he's quit. Sky have said his reps are meeting us today. But no big news outlet has the story that he's quit.
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A few papers still have stories up that he's quit. Sky have said his reps are meeting us today. But no big news outlet has the story that he's quit.
Talksport have said he has quit, what more confirmation do you need ?
they are like Rueters in the sporting world
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Oh he quit alright, there is no doubting that....just a case of him saying yes to the job now. I'll be interested in his transfer dealings as he's only really bought small fry.
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A few papers still have stories up that he's quit. Sky have said his reps are meeting us today. But no big news outlet has the story that he's quit.
Talksport have said he has quit, what more confirmation do you need ?
they are like Rueters in the sporting world
Exactly, and The Sun backs them up...110% at least.
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Oh he quit alright, there is no doubting that....just a case of him saying yes to the job now. I'll be interested in his transfer dealings as he's only really bought small fry.
I can't really believe that until it's credibly reported.
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Oh he quit alright, there is no doubting that....just a case of him saying yes to the job now. I'll be interested in his transfer dealings as he's only really bought small fry.
I can't really believe that until it's credibly reported.
Honest, Im not a liar :) But every paper, sports site etc says he has....you usually get half saying it and the others saying nothing if he hasnt.
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The 'Lambert quits' story is added a lot of credence by the fact our managerial options have been trimmed down so much in the last week or so.
I fully believe he's spat his dummy there and will be our manager - probably announced tomorrow!
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Brilliant stuff on Talksport. A norwich fan calls up, can't believe Lambert has quit for Villa. Doesn't get why Villa and not a HUGE club like Liverpool as Norwich and Villa are apparently equal in size, fan base, finance and player quality!!!! Then Mick Quinn pipes up giving it you have to be realistic but Villa are a bigger club, Im like yea that right Mick, hit him with the facts....then he gives it, "Villa average 40,000 every game and their ground holds 50,000 plus"......Hmmmmm!!
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We are all one eyed when it comes to our own club, but there has been some absolute arse spoken about us in recent days. From those titans of the game Norwich and Wigan. I hope both of the fuckers sink without trace.
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I think I'm right in saying that after two successive promotions Lambert guided Norwich to a higher position in the PL than Martinez managed in a few seasons at Wigan. It would seem that Martinez and/or his advisors had talks with Liverpool and Villa but he wasn't actually offered either job. Of course according to Dave Whelan he stayed because he wasn't happy with the job circumstances at Liverpool and Villa aren't big enough (yawn). Big enough for him to want to talk to us though. And when Roberto goes it will be to one the biggest clubs in Europe. Yep, think I've heard you mention that one before as well Dave.
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Their forums reckon a Norwich press conference is due any time now.
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Brilliant stuff on Talksport. A norwich fan calls up, can't believe Lambert has quit for Villa. Doesn't get why Villa and not a HUGE club like Liverpool as Norwich and Villa are apparently equal in size, fan base, finance and player quality!!!! Then Mick Quinn pipes up giving it you have to be realistic but Villa are a bigger club, Im like yea that right Mick, hit him with the facts....then he gives it, "Villa average 40,000 every game and their ground holds 50,000 plus"......Hmmmmm!!
Have i missed something? Have we moved grounds? Talkshite Radio,great.
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Brilliant stuff on Talksport. A norwich fan calls up, can't believe Lambert has quit for Villa. Doesn't get why Villa and not a HUGE club like Liverpool as Norwich and Villa are apparently equal in size, fan base, finance and player quality!!!! Then Mick Quinn pipes up giving it you have to be realistic but Villa are a bigger club, Im like yea that right Mick, hit him with the facts....then he gives it, "Villa average 40,000 every game and their ground holds 50,000 plus"......Hmmmmm!!
Ive just had to turn talk sport off! it was the comment that McLeish had a good season and kept us up that got to me! ha
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Where do they get their presenters from. Firstly they must get a moron to present and then tell them to dumb down their opinions for the public. It's tragic.
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Brilliant stuff on Talksport. A norwich fan calls up, can't believe Lambert has quit for Villa. Doesn't get why Villa and not a HUGE club like Liverpool as Norwich and Villa are apparently equal in size, fan base, finance and player quality!!!! Then Mick Quinn pipes up giving it you have to be realistic but Villa are a bigger club, Im like yea that right Mick, hit him with the facts....then he gives it, "Villa average 40,000 every game and their ground holds 50,000 plus"......Hmmmmm!!
Ive just had to turn talk sport off! it was the comment that McLeish had a good season and kept us up that got to me! ha
I had a little chuckle to that one myself....Im still listening to work out who I would draw a cock on when asleep more....Durham or Quinn!?
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Their forums reckon a Norwich press conference is due any time now.
Presumably to deny he has quit?
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Their forums reckon a Norwich press conference is due any time now.
Presumably to deny he has quit?
Or confirm he offered his resignation.
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Brilliant stuff on Talksport. A norwich fan calls up, can't believe Lambert has quit for Villa. Doesn't get why Villa and not a HUGE club like Liverpool as Norwich and Villa are apparently equal in size, fan base, finance and player quality!!!! Then Mick Quinn pipes up giving it you have to be realistic but Villa are a bigger club, Im like yea that right Mick, hit him with the facts....then he gives it, "Villa average 40,000 every game and their ground holds 50,000 plus"......Hmmmmm!!
Ive just had to turn talk sport off! it was the comment that McLeish had a good season and kept us up that got to me! ha
I had a little chuckle to that one myself....Im still listening to work out who I would draw a cock on when asleep more....Durham or Quinn!?
lol i dont mind durham, i tend to agree with him!
Quinny means well is just clueless!
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Micky Quinn talks a complete load of bollocks and the only thing he likes more than the Klanfield posse are pies and horses, the high pitched whinning, shite talking fat feck.
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Eeeeeem....haven't watched too much of Villa this season........eeeeem....but.....eeeeem....Big club like....eeeeem not as big as der pewl like.
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*same tune as the Mancini song*
He came from Scottish moors,
he's come to bodymoor!
Paul Lambert! Oh oh oh!
or, alternatively:
He was stuck with Delia Smith,
Now he's in B6!
Paul Lambert! Oh oh oh!
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Hopefully from next season Villa can start proving that they are a big club in terms of performances, results and crowds, and if Paul lambert is the man that turns things around then I'd be delighted.
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I'll be interested in his transfer dealings as he's only really bought small fry.
Small fry as opposed to Stephen Fry, who was a Norwich fan long before Lambert arrived.
Have I just come up with Heskeys replacement?
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I think I'm right in saying that after two successive promotions Lambert guided Norwich to a higher position in the PL than Martinez managed in a few seasons at Wigan. It would seem that Martinez and/or his advisors had talks with Liverpool and Villa but he wasn't actually offered either job. Of course according to Dave Whelan he stayed because he wasn't happy with the job circumstances at Liverpool and Villa aren't big enough (yawn). Big enough for him to want to talk to us though. And when Roberto goes it will be to one the biggest clubs in Europe. Yep, think I've heard you mention that one before as well Dave.
Martinez won't be going anywhere because everyone knows how shit he is.
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How does a rolling contract work anyway? How much notice do you need to give before the contract is rolled over? 2 weeks wages compo to Norwich?
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How does a rolling contract work anyway? How much notice do you need to give before the contract is rolled over? 2 weeks wages compo to Norwich?
I thought that it roll's over another 12 months every day.
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That's how I understand it as well PTV.
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Micky Quinn talks a complete load of bollocks and the only thing he likes more than the Klanfield posse are pies and horses, the high pitched whinning, shite talking fat feck.
he's the worst on there by a long way, and thats saying something
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Ah, thought maybe it was a 1st of June thing like the transfer window. Still that's not too bad, it's not like it's a 3 or 4 year contract we have to compensate the Budgies for.
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http://www.canaries.co.uk/page/NewsDetails/0,,10355~2793911,00.html (http://www.canaries.co.uk/page/NewsDetails/0,,10355~2793911,00.html)
CLUB STATEMENT ON PAUL LAMBERT
The Club regrets to confirm that Paul Lambert has offered his resignation from his position as Norwich City Manager.
We have fought hard to keep Paul at Norwich City and have not accepted his resignation whilst discussions with another club are taking place.
However, whatever happens, we want to place on record our sincere gratitude for everything Paul has done for the Club over the last three fantastic seasons.
When Paul joined us in August 2009 we were in 66th position in the English football pyramid and the Club was on the brink of financial meltdown.
Today we are a Barclays Premier League football club, on a financially sound footing and with a stadium full to capacity.
Discussions with Paul throughout the last few days have been professional and amicable. Paul has already earned his place in Norwich City Football Club history and, no matter what happens, will always have a friendly welcome at Carrow Road.
Meanwhile, contrary to some media speculation, the Club does not need to sell any players and the finances are in place to substantially strengthen the excellent squad which helped us finish in 12th position in the Premier League last season.
Rest assured that everyone behind the scenes at Carrow Road remains absolutely focused on continuing to help the Club progress.
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Okay, so now, can we just sign him up as manager with ease?
I don't know, so I'm asking. Are things easy from now, or difficult?
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Okay, so now, can we just sign him up as manager with ease?
I don't know, so I'm asking. Are things easy from now, or difficult?
Not really. TSM resigned last year and that wrangled on for a while. It is though a pretty clear sign though that he wants to sign for somebody else. Presumably us.
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They have rejected it but it will be a matter of time. We will have to pay up 12 months of his contract, which i am guessing will be around the £1million mark.
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Why doesn't the statement say they rejected it?
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look well if Randy now says to Lambers
'no we only wanted to chat, see how things were, weve got other candidates to mingle with yet'
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Why doesn't the statement say they rejected it?
It does.
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Why doesn't the statement say they rejected it?
F365:
"Norwich confirmed on Thursday afternoon that Lambert, who has been strongly linked with the vacant manager's post at Aston Villa, wanted to leave Carrow Road.
A statement read: "The club regrets to confirm that Paul Lambert has offered his resignation from his position as Norwich City manager.
"We have fought hard to keep Paul at Norwich and have not accepted his resignation whilst discussions with another club are taking place.""
Sounds promising. Get him in back him and give him 3 seasons minimum. We cannot afford another period of instability or we risk appearing to be a rudderless laughing stock.
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He's on his way. It's just about money for Norwich. You can't blame them for squeezing us for the maximum they can get and they have to appear to their fans to be no pushover.
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He could of course be off to Swansea, where by all accounts his favourite Aunt lives.:)
Even if he does decide to take up the Villa hot seat I can`t get too excited ...he is not exactly a pulse racing type of appointment.
What will set him in good stead is that he`s not TSM
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If we offer them 2 million to sort him and his coaching team to get it sorted out ASAP then they would have to take it I reckon.
I then hope we give him a decent contract here, maybe 3/ 4 years and put some stability in place. Get his number 2 to come with him or let him chose a new coaching team. Then let him buy some players. I am sure he saw enough at Carrow Road on the final day to convince him of how much we need to buy!
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Wow. A manager so keen to join the Villa that he resigns before the compensation argy bargy. When did we last see such marvellous enthusiasm?
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Wow. A manager so keen to join the Villa that he resigns before the compensation argy bargy. When did we last see such marvellous enthusiasm?
Around this time last year, I believe.
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Wow. A manager so keen to join the Villa that he resigns before the compensation argy bargy. When did we last see such marvellous enthusiasm?
About 12 months ago when one resigned by e-mail before taking the post?
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The more I think about this, it is actually an exciting appointment. He's one of the most promising young manager's in the country. He's had one season in the Premier League, there's a good chance he's learnt a lot from that and I'm sure he can develop his style. He also has had exposure to European football at the highest level, and began developing his coaching in Germany. This could be great. Frankly given that all we did last season was defend badly it's all going to look great.
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Excellent choice of manager and i look forward to the lambert era, we might as well pay norwich the compo due for him and his staff, after all they did the same when getting him from colchester and i daresay they will take malky mackay from cardiff in the same manner- thats football.
I expect this will all be finalised in the coming hours without much problem.
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The more I think about this, it is actually an exciting appointment. He's one of the most promising young manager's in the country. He's had one season in the Premier League, there's a good chance he's learnt a lot from that and I'm sure he can develop his style. He also has had exposure to European football at the highest level, and began developing his coaching in Germany. This could be great. Frankly given that all we did last season was defend badly it's all going to look great.
He will feel his stylistic instincts to have been vindicated by his first season in the Premier League. However, for all his flexibility with formations, I hope his instincts were towards attacking rather than towards the idea of a Big Man getting the ball pumped at him.
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The more I think about this, it is actually an exciting appointment. He's one of the most promising young manager's in the country. He's had one season in the Premier League, there's a good chance he's learnt a lot from that and I'm sure he can develop his style. He also has had exposure to European football at the highest level, and began developing his coaching in Germany. This could be great. Frankly given that all we did last season was defend badly it's all going to look great.
He will feel his stylistic instincts to have been vindicated by his first season in the Premier League. However, for all his flexibility with formations, I hope his instincts were towards attacking rather than towards the idea of a Big Man getting the ball pumped at him.
Well I would suggest his admission that he took Norwich to go and watch Barcelona train and then had a long discussion with Guardiola about tactics means that his long term goal is to adopt a passing approach. It's another admirable quality he obviously wants to evolve his style.
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The more I think about this, it is actually an exciting appointment. He's one of the most promising young manager's in the country. He's had one season in the Premier League, there's a good chance he's learnt a lot from that and I'm sure he can develop his style. He also has had exposure to European football at the highest level, and began developing his coaching in Germany. This could be great. Frankly given that all we did last season was defend badly it's all going to look great.
He will feel his stylistic instincts to have been vindicated by his first season in the Premier League. However, for all his flexibility with formations, I hope his instincts were towards attacking rather than towards the idea of a Big Man getting the ball pumped at him.
Well I would suggest his admission that he took Norwich to go and watch Barcelona train and then had a long discussion with Guardiola about tactics means that his long term goal is to adopt a passing approach. It's another admirable quality he obviously wants to evolve his style.
Can you find me quotes of this?? I have to say, that sort of thing would make me feel massively more positive!
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The more I think about this, it is actually an exciting appointment. He's one of the most promising young manager's in the country. He's had one season in the Premier League, there's a good chance he's learnt a lot from that and I'm sure he can develop his style. He also has had exposure to European football at the highest level, and began developing his coaching in Germany. This could be great. Frankly given that all we did last season was defend badly it's all going to look great.
He will feel his stylistic instincts to have been vindicated by his first season in the Premier League. However, for all his flexibility with formations, I hope his instincts were towards attacking rather than towards the idea of a Big Man getting the ball pumped at him.
Well I would suggest his admission that he took Norwich to go and watch Barcelona train and then had a long discussion with Guardiola about tactics means that his long term goal is to adopt a passing approach. It's another admirable quality he obviously wants to evolve his style.
Can you find me quotes of this?? I have to say, that sort of thing would make me feel massively more positive!
I don't have quotes I'm afraid. He was on Goals on Sunday towards the end of the season and was talking about it on the programme. It was quite interesting and made me feel quite positive towards him.
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The more I think about this, it is actually an exciting appointment. He's one of the most promising young manager's in the country. He's had one season in the Premier League, there's a good chance he's learnt a lot from that and I'm sure he can develop his style. He also has had exposure to European football at the highest level, and began developing his coaching in Germany. This could be great. Frankly given that all we did last season was defend badly it's all going to look great.
He will feel his stylistic instincts to have been vindicated by his first season in the Premier League. However, for all his flexibility with formations, I hope his instincts were towards attacking rather than towards the idea of a Big Man getting the ball pumped at him.
Well I would suggest his admission that he took Norwich to go and watch Barcelona train and then had a long discussion with Guardiola about tactics means that his long term goal is to adopt a passing approach. It's another admirable quality he obviously wants to evolve his style.
Can you find me quotes of this?? I have to say, that sort of thing would make me feel massively more positive!
I don't have quotes I'm afraid. He was on Goals on Sunday towards the end of the season and was talking about it on the programme. It was quite interesting and made me feel quite positive towards him.
Well I found it in an interview the Sun reported. He praised MON a bit much, but he's always going to. The evidence is that he cares more about tactics than MON ever did. The one thing he said was 'I have my philosophy' about the way to play, which is generally something only attacking managers say (defensive ones say things like 'my job is to win football matches', or other such tedious cliches).
I've said, I'm trying my hardest to be positive about this. I hope we're not all disappointed. One thing is for sure, he does have an appetite to learn.
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Good record, ambitious and driven. I can't see him being in thrall to "the elite" unlike our previous two managers, and thats a MON-like trait that I think we all agree is positive.
I do have a nagging doubt about him but I'm not sure why, time will tell on that and I hope I'm wrong but if he does join us i will be pleased overall.
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Very very happy if this appointment comes to fruition!
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if we all cast our minds back 4 weeks ago....?
i'll drive to Norwich & pick him up myself !
onwards, upwards...
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Looks positive and I really hope this is going to happen... but when Mark Hughes resigned last summer I thought he was heading our way, so you never know.
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Quote Monty:
I hope we're not all disappointed.
I doubt it, he was the preferred choice here in all bar the OGS polls wasn't he?
It'll be an excellent appointment for us!
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I've said, I'm trying my hardest to be positive about this. I hope we're not all disappointed. One thing is for sure, he does have an appetite to learn.
The way I see it is our stock has suffered over the last few years and are seen as having no money, a selling club, a poor board and fickle fans. We're very easy to ignore or completely forget about by the media, which is understandable when you see us on TV, our football has been dull for far too long.
Whilst there has certainly been a great selection of potential managers out there, realistically with our media profile the best wouldn't be interested even if we were to meet their salary demands. Lambert is probably the best we can hope for right now but I do believe he can drive us in the right direction. Give him 3 years to rebuild us and when the Celtic job becomes available, thank him and let him go. We'll be in a much stronger position to bring in the type of manager that can push us even further, the type that won't consider us this summer.
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Think Randy must have promised him a decent spend for him to burn all his bridges at Norwich too
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I've said, I'm trying my hardest to be positive about this. I hope we're not all disappointed. One thing is for sure, he does have an appetite to learn.
The way I see it is our stock has suffered over the last few years and are seen as having no money, a selling club, a poor board and fickle fans. We're very easy to ignore or completely forget about by the media, which is understandable when you see us on TV, our football has been dull for far too long.
Whilst there has certainly been a great selection of potential managers out there, realistically with our media profile the best wouldn't be interested even if we were to meet their salary demands. Lambert is probably the best we can hope for right now but I do believe he can drive us in the right direction. Give him 3 years to rebuild us and when the Celtic job becomes available, thank him and let him go. We'll be in a much stronger position to bring in the type of manager that can push us even further, the type that won't consider us this summer.
As someone said earlier, Lambert was on Goals on Sunday toward the end of the season and they asked him whether he would manage in Scotland at some point. He very quickly dismissed it. He clearly is very ambitious, to the point of being ruthless about it as shown by the way he left Colchester and now Norwich. If he does well for us and someone who are perceived to be bigger come in for him he'll be off like a shot. I'm not too worried about that - firstly he will have to do well for us and we should be in a strong position to replace him at that point.
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Wow. A manager so keen to join the Villa that he resigns before the compensation argy bargy. When did we last see such marvellous enthusiasm?
About 12 months ago when one resigned by e-mail before taking the post?
You guys! Sharper than an Eck's brain is blunt.
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Well for the first time in over 2 years we genuinely have something to shout about.
The last 2 were terrible appointments by the board/owner - in fact they were abject and ill thought through in equal measure.
I am very pleased though he has an enormous job in replacing the remenants and deadwood of MON, change the attitude of those signed subsequently by the Clueless Duo and instill some confidence in the younger squad members, And put 5000 more on the gate. And some other stuff.
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Some interesting reading on our proposed new manager...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4214891/Norwichs-Paul-Lambert-Give-top-jobs-to-Brit-bosses.html (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4214891/Norwichs-Paul-Lambert-Give-top-jobs-to-Brit-bosses.html)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea)
And a good interview from Sky about MON
http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12606_7472913,00.html (http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,26691,12606_7472913,00.html)
So lets hope there is more than a long ball game to the man.
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"“I also went to Barcelona the other week to have a look at the training and I spoke to Pep Guardiola." - Paul Lambert from the first article that sonlyme provided. That's what Monty wanted to see and it is encouraging.
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Well for the first time in over 2 years we genuinely have something to shout about.
The last 2 were terrible appointments by the board/owner - in fact they were abject and ill thought through in equal measure.
I am very pleased though he has an enormous job in replacing the remenants and deadwood of MON, change the attitude of those signed subsequently by the Clueless Duo and instill some confidence in the younger squad members, And put 5000 more on the gate. And some other stuff.
I'd be cautious.....it's not a done deal yet. Don't forget it's Lerner & Faulkner doing the negoitating, the same two who thought it was a smart move to appoint Houllier & McLeish.....they're well capable of messing it up.
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Well for the first time in over 2 years we genuinely have something to shout about.
The last 2 were terrible appointments by the board/owner - in fact they were abject and ill thought through in equal measure.
I am very pleased though he has an enormous job in replacing the remenants and deadwood of MON, change the attitude of those signed subsequently by the Clueless Duo and instill some confidence in the younger squad members, And put 5000 more on the gate. And some other stuff.
I'd be cautious.....it's not a done deal yet. Don't forget it's Lerner & Faulkner doing the negoitating, the same two who thought it was a smart move to appoint Houllier & McLeish.....they're well capable of messing it up.
Do you honestly think Lambert will put 5000 on the gate?
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Too many never gave Ged a chance. One mention of his 'ex' and toys were flung from prams and knives sharpened. When we look at what he was trying to do - and compare that to what Big F'eck did - there is no comparision.
So this time - if it is Lambert - I hope we all give the man time and show patience and above all - show some respect. For ourselves - as well as our club and it's manager.
Otherwise - who in their right mind would want to come to such a place?
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BREAKING NEWS
Norwich fans in angry protest outside Paul Lambert's Norfolk home.
Police have arrested one woman. The woman was drunk and screaming - "Where are you? Let's be having you!"
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This time last year it was Blackpool who were getting all the praise, before that Hull. Wait and see where they are in a few months before proclaiming him the next big thing.
Well I think the main difference is that Phil Brown and Holloway are quirky knobheads who just want to be famous. Lambert strikes me as more of a 'proper' football manager, and is without a doubt much more professional and, in my opinion, skilled.
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Some interesting reading on our proposed new manager...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2012/feb/13/paul-lambert-norwich-swansea)
So lets hope there is more than a long ball game to the man.
Aha, that's the piece I was referring to earlier (could have been on anyone of three threads!) about Lambert out-thinking Rodgers earlier this season. Thanks for finding it!
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BREAKING NEWS
Norwich fans in angry protest outside Paul Lambert's Norfolk home.
Police have arrested one woman. The woman was drunk and screaming - "Where are you? Let's be having you!"
Excellent - thank you
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The bit that I liked in that article was where Norwich apparantly dominated long spells of possession - out-Swanseaing Swansea. Also that they were only the second team to go to Swansea and come away with all 3 points.
It does sound that their direct playing style was a means to an end for their first season in the Premier League. Maybe he can blend his tactical nous with good football.
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Some one also told me that Lambert likes to go back to Borussia Dortmund and go over training methods with the staff there and keeps his eye on new training techniques.
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The bit that I liked in that article was where Norwich apparantly dominated long spells of possession - out-Swanseaing Swansea. Also that they were only the second team to go to Swansea and come away with all 3 points.
It does sound that their direct playing style was a means to an end for their first season in the Premier League. Maybe he can blend his tactical nous with good football.
think you just invented a new word there OCD
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come on Lerner dont mess this 1 up,I think Lambert could be a great manager for us.
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What - "apparantly"? Tee hee hee...
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Quote Monty:
I hope we're not all disappointed.
I doubt it, he was the preferred choice here in all bar the OGS polls wasn't he?
It'll be an excellent appointment for us!
That's what I mean. If he doesn't do what we all hope there could be many disappointed posters on here and fans in general.
"“I also went to Barcelona the other week to have a look at the training and I spoke to Pep Guardiola." - Paul Lambert from the first article that sonlyme provided. That's what Monty wanted to see and it is encouraging.
It is encouraging. It's also very true to say he keeps a lower media profile than, say, Rodgers or Martinez, so it's harder to find indications from him about his football beliefs. I would also say that, given the almost ostentatiously possession-based nature of the other candidates, it would be surprising if part of Lambert impressing in interview wasn't his footballing philosophy.
Like I say, there isn't a huge amount to go on, and those stats from last season could look pretty damning in many lights. But he is clever, open-minded about change and single-minded in his desire to win. If he does adapt, he will be a good appointment.
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The bit that I liked in that article was where Norwich apparantly dominated long spells of possession - out-Swanseaing Swansea. Also that they were only the second team to go to Swansea and come away with all 3 points.
It does sound that their direct playing style was a means to an end for their first season in the Premier League. Maybe he can blend his tactical nous with good football.
Edit: I wasn't referring specifically to you re: philosophy, Monty.
Yep.
Also, a lot of bollocks gets talked in regard to 'philosophy' in football. Whilst we all want to be entertained, surely there's a place for naked opportunism too?
If you notice that the opposition defence is populated by midgets then I'm all for pumping long balls up to a big man and winning 25-0.
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The bit that I liked in that article was where Norwich apparantly dominated long spells of possession - out-Swanseaing Swansea. Also that they were only the second team to go to Swansea and come away with all 3 points.
It does sound that their direct playing style was a means to an end for their first season in the Premier League. Maybe he can blend his tactical nous with good football.
Edit: I wasn't referring specifically to you re: philosophy, Monty.
Yep.
Also, a lot of bollocks gets talked in regard to 'philosophy' in football. Whilst we all want to be entertained, surely there's a place for naked opportunism too?
If you notice that the opposition defence is populated by midgets then I'm all for pumping long balls up to a big man and winning 25-0.
Don't worry about it!
The more salient point is that, at the top level, keeping the ball is pretty much a pre-requisite of a good side. The more games you dominate, the more games you win is a running theme in the top 4-6 of any of the better leagues in Europe.
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Lambert is a winner. He achieved a lot in his playing career and was very highly regarded. I think in his era he was one of Scotlands best players and a genuine midfield power. His experience in Germany will also be of great use too. In his managerial career he's been regarded as successful everywhere he's been bar his first gig. Comparing him to Brown or Holloway is ridiculous.
For me there's easy comparison with O Neill. For all some might not like it, Mart did very well for us. Lambert plays a similar style, and is also someone who always wants to winner. Players respect him and listen to him. What I think Lambert has that O Neill doesn't, is more tactical knowledge and more willlingness to adapt. He's also part of a newer generation. He's fresher and as Norwich showed last season, has a plan B, something O Neill never really had. The mix he played was good and for a club like us could see us pushing up the table again. Hopefully he's given some money to spend. In respect of flexibility in his style, Lambert for me gets one over on Rodgers. It seems to be th one way of playing for BR and he might find it doesn't always work. We'll see, I do think Rodgers is a class act.
However for Aston Villa. The best man for the job IMO, who suits us and the style of football we've always been quite successful with, is Lambert. We've never been like Swansea (or Barca...ha ha). At least we won't be found wanting when it comes to desire to win. The final game of last season was an absolute disgrace. Something I never want to see in a Villa game again. We had no pressure, and no threat of relegation. Nothing left to play for. Instead of going out to win the game, McLeish put a side out to keep the defeat narrow. I don't even think he played for a fucking draw. Diabolical. That will never, ever happen under Lambert.
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Too many never gave Ged a chance. One mention of his 'ex' and toys were flung from prams and knives sharpened. When we look at what he was trying to do - and compare that to what Big F'eck did - there is no comparision.
So this time - if it is Lambert - I hope we all give the man time and show patience and above all - show some respect. For ourselves - as well as our club and it's manager.
Otherwise - who in their right mind would want to come to such a place?
What was Houllier trying to do exactly? The football was just as bad as under McLeish.
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I agree with sonlyme about Houllier. He was not given a real chance. I think Lambert is perfect for us. He was underwhelmed at Norwich when told about the finances. Hopefully this wont happen at Villa Park today. Lets hope this all goes through as soon as possible. It would be a huge disaster for us if this collapsed.
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Too many never gave Ged a chance. One mention of his 'ex' and toys were flung from prams and knives sharpened. When we look at what he was trying to do - and compare that to what Big F'eck did - there is no comparision.
So this time - if it is Lambert - I hope we all give the man time and show patience and above all - show some respect. For ourselves - as well as our club and it's manager.
Otherwise - who in their right mind would want to come to such a place?
What was Houllier trying to do exactly? The football was just as bad as under McLeish.
Come on Riss, it wasn't all fun and games under GH, but to say that is revisionism to a Stalinist degree.
Tom, what we learned about MON's style was that, even with all that money to back it, it had a very defined limit. Lambert needs to prove he can move beyond that.
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Very good post Supertom! We all need to get behind Lambert if he comes and give him plenty of time.
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Too many never gave Ged a chance. One mention of his 'ex' and toys were flung from prams and knives sharpened. When we look at what he was trying to do - and compare that to what Big F'eck did - there is no comparision.
So this time - if it is Lambert - I hope we all give the man time and show patience and above all - show some respect. For ourselves - as well as our club and it's manager.
Otherwise - who in their right mind would want to come to such a place?
What was Houllier trying to do exactly? The football was just as bad as under McLeish.
Come on Riss, it wasn't all fun and games under GH, but to say that is revisionism to a Stalinist degree.
Tom, what we learned about MON's style was that, even with all that money to back it, it had a very defined limit. Lambert needs to prove he can move beyond that.
No sorry, what's revisionism is lots of people pretending that Houllier was midway through some Wenger-esque transformation of us into the Barcelona of the Midlands. The reality is that Houllier's transfer record from the continent is absolutely dire, and the home loss to Wolves was the worst performance I've seen in years at Villa. Plus he had the advantage of Young and Downing.
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Too many never gave Ged a chance. One mention of his 'ex' and toys were flung from prams and knives sharpened. When we look at what he was trying to do - and compare that to what Big F'eck did - there is no comparision.
So this time - if it is Lambert - I hope we all give the man time and show patience and above all - show some respect. For ourselves - as well as our club and it's manager.
Otherwise - who in their right mind would want to come to such a place?
What was Houllier trying to do exactly? The football was just as bad as under McLeish.
Don't be ridiculous.
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It's strange that the whole OGS saga has dampened the mood somewhat on Lambert. Take that away, and Lambert has been the runaway fans favourite to take over since Eck was buggered off. Much as I got excited about Ole, for the ballsiness of the potential appointment as much as anything, I'm delighted to get someone like Lambert. He's the sort of appointment we should have made 2 years ago.
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It was easy to get swept up in OGS mania, and I include myself in that. Looking at it logically, Lambert is a far better choice.
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Transfer record is irrelevant to style of football. We had a lot of aimless possession under GH, but there was clearly something in place. It wasn't fantastic, it was barely even good most of the time, but there was a sense of a proactive plan (the confirmation from all quarters that we would have signed Cabaye is indicative). McLeish was aimless, meek, tediously physical, frightened of the ball and pathetic in his outlook to every game. There isn't a comparison.
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Too many never gave Ged a chance. One mention of his 'ex' and toys were flung from prams and knives sharpened. When we look at what he was trying to do - and compare that to what Big F'eck did - there is no comparision.
So this time - if it is Lambert - I hope we all give the man time and show patience and above all - show some respect. For ourselves - as well as our club and it's manager.
Otherwise - who in their right mind would want to come to such a place?
What was Houllier trying to do exactly? The football was just as bad as under McLeish.
Come on Riss, it wasn't all fun and games under GH, but to say that is revisionism to a Stalinist degree.
Tom, what we learned about MON's style was that, even with all that money to back it, it had a very defined limit. Lambert needs to prove he can move beyond that.
No sorry, what's revisionism is lots of people pretending that Houllier was midway through some Wenger-esque transformation of us into the Barcelona of the Midlands. The reality is that Houllier's transfer record from the continent is absolutely dire, and the home loss to Wolves was the worst performance I've seen in years at Villa. Plus he had the advantage of Young and Downing.
Excuse the pun, but Houllier's heart wasn't in it really. He had some good ideas I'm sure, he just came across as someone who didn't really give a shit whether they worked or not.
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It was easy to get swept up in OGS mania, and I include myself in that. Looking at it logically, Lambert is a far better choice.
Definitely. OGS would have been something a roulette wheel gamble. Might have paid off, or we could lose our house on it.
Give Lambert 20 mill and we'll be comfortably top half. I think we could add 20 points onto what we got last season, give or take.
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Too many never gave Ged a chance. One mention of his 'ex' and toys were flung from prams and knives sharpened. When we look at what he was trying to do - and compare that to what Big F'eck did - there is no comparision.
So this time - if it is Lambert - I hope we all give the man time and show patience and above all - show some respect. For ourselves - as well as our club and it's manager.
Otherwise - who in their right mind would want to come to such a place?
What was Houllier trying to do exactly? The football was just as bad as under McLeish.
Don't be ridiculous.
I recall some more entertaining games under Houllier, but I think they were because we had slightly better quality so it worked more often. However, during the Sunderland game in Jan '11 just before we signed Bent, the atmosphere at VP was evil when we went one down. The crowd stood for the entire game and chanted 'you're getting sacked in the morning.' I agree the football under McLeish was utter crap, but I do have to stress that Houllier was not a popular manager for most of his tenure either, and that included the way the team was playing.
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BREAKING NEWS
Norwich fans in angry protest outside Paul Lambert's Norfolk home.
Police have arrested one woman. The woman was drunk and screaming - "Where are you? Let's be having you!"
Excellent. I've nicked it as well
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Tom, what we learned about MON's style was that, even with all that money to back it, it had a very defined limit. Lambert needs to prove he can move beyond that.
Amen. The comparisons with MON are really starting to piss on my Lambert chips. A motivator? Yes. But you can stick your "MON style of play" up your arse. His teams didn't even try to pass the ball, it's no wonder Houllier struggled to teach the basics and TSM was clueless.
Hopefully Lambert's coaching badges weren't from the 1970's.
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Risso's right Houllier was awful. The best thing he did was think about signing Cabaye. The only thing that has enhanced his reputation was the new depths we reached under Mcleish.
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No sorry, what's revisionism is lots of people pretending that Houllier was midway through some Wenger-esque transformation of us into the Barcelona of the Midlands. The reality is that Houllier's transfer record from the continent is absolutely dire, and the home loss to Wolves was the worst performance I've seen in years at Villa. Plus he had the advantage of Young and Downing.
In hindsight that was the best result of the season as it meant Wolves stayed up and sent Blues down.
I thought GH was a disgrace as well.
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Houllier seemed to lose the dressing room and although the passing football was nice his man management skills were very poor along with his gaffes at anfield and the team selection at man city in the cup- he was not the man for the job but better than mcleish.
The choice of lambert i believe will be great business by randy and i look forward to a new era under him, very good news indeed!
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No sorry, what's revisionism is lots of people pretending that Houllier was midway through some Wenger-esque transformation of us into the Barcelona of the Midlands. The reality is that Houllier's transfer record from the continent is absolutely dire, and the home loss to Wolves was the worst performance I've seen in years at Villa. Plus he had the advantage of Young and Downing.
In hindsight that was the best result of the season as it meant Wolves stayed up and sent Blues down.
I thought GH was a disgrace as well.
But without that defeat we would have probably avoided the hellish mcleish reign.
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Tom, what we learned about MON's style was that, even with all that money to back it, it had a very defined limit. Lambert needs to prove he can move beyond that.
Amen. The comparisons with MON are really starting to piss on my Lambert chips. A motivator? Yes. But you can stick your "MON style of play" up your arse. His teams didn't even try to pass the ball, it's no wonder Houllier struggled to teach the basics and TSM was clueless.
Hopefully Lambert's coaching badges weren't from the 1970's.
Lamberts already proved he's got more in his locker. Like I said, he's got a team that is direct, attacks quickly and counters well. And is also effective from set pieces. Much like O Neill at his best here. But like I said, he actually has a plan B, and the ability to switch styles. I've seen Norwich player like we did at our best under O Neill. I've seen them pass the ball well too. I've seen them play the long ball effectively. I don't think O Neill comparisons are a bad thing. The good thing is that Lamberts more of a product of the modern game and more adaptable. As Randy wants, younger, more vibrant.
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Does kicking it from player to player across the back line ten yards from the halfway line, in our own half, constitute a 'nice passing game'? If so, Houllier's football must have been a pleasure to watch. Either way, the results weren't good enough. Let's hope Lambert's ugly football gets us winning again.
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Houllier was awful. The players never gave 100%. We may have passed the ball more (normally in our third and middle) but we had no penetration and created almost as little as we did with McLeish. It was only signing Bent that really made him worthwhile but it was as much because of Randy wanting to dig us out of the whole we were getting in. If we were comfortable without threat of relegation, he'd have never outlayed 24 million on Bent.
We played our best stuff that season when we had nothing to play for under Gary Mac. A couple of standout results against decent teams at the end probably masked just how poor we were, as did a lucky 9th finish. Lets face it, Liverpool and Arsenal had their minds on holidays by the time we played them.
If McLeish's season was a 1/10. Houllier merely has the benefit of being a 2 or 3.
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Don't know if it's been mentioned already but just heard Pat Murphy on R5 saying the bit about Norwich 'not accepting' PL's resignation is purely face-saving on their part. Apparently, like most prem managers, Lambert has a clause in his contract which states that if another club approaches his club in line with the correct procedure then he would be allowed to talk to that club. Murphy says that Villa wrote to Norwich asking for permission to speak to Lambert - i.e. following the correct procedure - and Norwich refused to give him permission to speak to us. He has therefore resigned and regardless of what happens will not be going back. Murphy reckons he could be signed up with us tomorrow. Compensation will be interesting IF the above is true - they refused to honour the terms of his contract so he quit.
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Houllier was poor, but you had the idea he was trying to do something, but failing.
McLeish was far far worse than that, and you had the knowledge that he wasn't trying to do anything other than that which he always does - scrape around for draws.
I know 1986-7 was terrible, too, and I can't remember the relegations prior to that, but last season was the most mindbendingly depressing load of bollocks for me
It really was terrible, joyless shit, served up by a manager who had a history of serving up terrible, joyless shit, something which everyone knew except Lerner and Faulkner.
They were lucky to get away with it in the end, it almost cost us big time.
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after Christmas we had one of the best records of any team in the PL under Houllier. Yes, we signed Bent, but apparently teams do sign players to improve themselves. Houllier put his foot in his mouth on numerous occasions, but the team played much better football under him in the second half of the season. Had he stayed he'd have got rid of many of the wankers that were just as guilty as McLeish in letting us down last season. Houllier wasn't perfect. but he wasn't as bad as some of you are making out.
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I think what is going to be interesting is to see how the press react to us now.
We were loved by them when we were Martin O'Neill's Aston Villa, then treated like shit when we viciously sacked him, not recognising we were dealing with football greatness, then we were ungrateful bastards for driving Houllier out, and not giving McLeish a chance from the start.
Now we've got a manager they generally doff their caps to again (Henry Winter, for example, loves Lambert as he loves O'Neill).
It will be interesting to see what sort of coverage we start getting.
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I still think randy will pay compensation to norwich although lamberts contract should be much less than mcleish's .
Lets hope the backroom team will also follow lambert to villa park , im sure being a good mate of stan he will have a good idea of things at the club, i wonder if he sounded out mon and if so how mon portrayed the club to him.
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Does kicking it from player to player across the back line ten yards from the halfway line, in our own half, constitute a 'nice passing game'? If so, Houllier's football must have been a pleasure to watch. Either way, the results weren't good enough. Let's hope Lambert's ugly football gets us winning again.
Don't be naughty, James. In our last games, admittedly under Gary Mac, we scored three goals that were the accumulation of 16 or 17 consecutive passes, something we'd never seen in the previous 6 years. It was a delight to see, certainly better than hoofing it front for Gabby to chase or giving it to Warnock to hoof it up to Ashley. Admittedly, the rest of the season was crap but what would you expect given the (lack of ) coaching and tactics over the previous years?
Ugly football will only take you so far. Good habits breed success, something Spurs and now sadly Newcastle are starting to learn. In fact, so are plenty of other teams. Still, if playing like Stoke every week is your thing, you may be disappointed this coming season. I certainly hope so.
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Reading the posts about the football played under Houlier makes me realise we will probably be better of with Lambert than either Rodgers or Martinez.
There is no way they would have got us playing there style of football Straight away, and like Houlier would have been slated for trying to pass the ball to much, especially when it goes wrong. We would have had to put up with some poor displays as they tried to slowly bring it about
Lambert is more direct and we are more used to that style and so are the players.
The other two managers would have been long term projects and I don't know whether Villa fans would have had the patience for that.
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Reading the posts about the football played under Houlier makes me realise we will probably be better of with Lambert than either Rodgers or Martinez.
There is no way they would have got us playing there style of football Straight away, and like Houlier would have been slated for trying to pass the ball to much, especially when it goes wrong. We would have had to put up with some poor displays as they tried to slowly bring it about
Lambert is more direct and we are more used to that style and so are the players.
The other two managers would have been long term projects and I don't know whether Villa fans would have had the patience for that.
I said from the off that Lambert was the best fit in terms of getting the most from what he'd inherit for that very reason, however, I do believe he has the technical nous to push us on from that too. Brilliant appointment if we can tie it up, absolutely the best call!
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Houllier sacrificed winning games for his ideas.
McLeish never seemed particularly interested in winning games.
Lambert is a winner. He really wants to win.
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John, if your idea of a bad choice of manager is one with a long term plan I struggle to think what a good choice would be.
As for Lambert, I hope he adopts a more advanced, passing game. This idea that, you know, passing it about is one option but you can always boof it to the big man is anachronistic.
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John, if your idea of a bad choice of manager is one with a long term plan I struggle to think what a good choice would be.
As for Lambert, I hope he adopts a more advanced, passing game. This idea that, you know, passing it about is one option but you can always boof it to the big man is anachronistic.
Having a 'more advanced passing game' is dependant on having the players capable of doing that, which we currently don't. That doesn't mean that over time Lambert won't aspire to that, but from the off he'll get more out of our lot than GH or TSM ever did! That's IMHO of course!
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James Nursey has tweeted Hear #AVFC MAY announce Lambert as their new boss tomorrow. Think club would ideally like to. Followed by press conference mid of next week.
Yes its only the mirror but it would make my Long weekend
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John, if your idea of a bad choice of manager is one with a long term plan I struggle to think what a good choice would be.
As for Lambert, I hope he adopts a more advanced, passing game. This idea that, you know, passing it about is one option but you can always boof it to the big man is anachronistic.
Having a 'more advanced passing game' is dependant on having the players capable of doing that, which we currently don't. That doesn't mean that over time Lambert won't aspire to that, but from the off he'll get more out of our lot than GH or TSM ever did! That's IMHO of course!
I thought Swansea's budget-Barca approach disproved this idea that to do something as basic as play out from the back you need expensive, multi-million-pound transferred superstars.
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To use a Randy-ism, I am fairly relaxed about Lambert being appointed.
His job spec is to bring some belief and pride back. If he does that he wont go far wrong and a club of our size can win something again.
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Norwich totally outclassed us at carrow road and played some nice stuff when they came to villa park, in fact had they not missed some sitters they could have been 2 or 3 up in the opening 20 mins down here, they certainly dont play ugly football, they are more of a mixture and can pass and move or use a more direct approach depending on the situation.
I think we will be pretty well entertained next season .
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Norwich totally outclassed us at carrow road and played some nice stuff when they came to villa park, in fact had they not missed some sitters they could have been 2 or 3 up in the opening 20 mins down here, they certainly dont play ugly football, they are more of a mixture and can pass and move or use a more direct approach depending on the situation.
I think we will be pretty well entertained next season .
I don't think anyone other than ourselves and maybe Wolves really sat behind the ball against them though. We'll see how he reacts to that happening at VP. MON's reaction was certainly ugly football.
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Norwich totally outclassed us at carrow road and played some nice stuff when they came to villa park, in fact had they not missed some sitters they could have been 2 or 3 up in the opening 20 mins down here, they certainly dont play ugly football, they are more of a mixture and can pass and move or use a more direct approach depending on the situation.
I think we will be pretty well entertained next season .
I don't think anyone other than ourselves and maybe Wolves really sat behind the ball against them though. We'll see how he reacts to that happening at VP. MON's reaction was certainly ugly football.
That was mon- this is paul lambert! Much more modern approach to things than mon .
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John, if your idea of a bad choice of manager is one with a long term plan I struggle to think what a good choice would be.
As for Lambert, I hope he adopts a more advanced, passing game. This idea that, you know, passing it about is one option but you can always boof it to the big man is anachronistic.
Having a 'more advanced passing game' is dependant on having the players capable of doing that, which we currently don't. That doesn't mean that over time Lambert won't aspire to that, but from the off he'll get more out of our lot than GH or TSM ever did! That's IMHO of course!
I thought Swansea's budget-Barca approach disproved this idea that to do something as basic as play out from the back you need expensive, multi-million-pound transferred superstars.
It's not about how much players cost though, or how much you pay them, it's about having the right players for that system (which I don't believe we do) and that's what Swansea proved. To do that, time will need to be afforded to anyone! I just don't subscribe to this theory that Lambert is a one trick pony. Of course i could be wrong, I just think the board have/will have delivered what they said they would on the day that TSM was sacked, but Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.
Not picking a fight by the way Monty, no gripe with you or anyone else on here, we're all Villa and that's what matters!
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Norwich totally outclassed us at carrow road and played some nice stuff when they came to villa park, in fact had they not missed some sitters they could have been 2 or 3 up in the opening 20 mins down here, they certainly dont play ugly football, they are more of a mixture and can pass and move or use a more direct approach depending on the situation.
I think we will be pretty well entertained next season .
I don't think anyone other than ourselves and maybe Wolves really sat behind the ball against them though. We'll see how he reacts to that happening at VP. MON's reaction was certainly ugly football.
That's a good point Monty and one that all managers coming from smaller clubs to bigger clubs have to get past. A bit like the second half of a debut season to a promising youngster.
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John, if your idea of a bad choice of manager is one with a long term plan I struggle to think what a good choice would be.
As for Lambert, I hope he adopts a more advanced, passing game. This idea that, you know, passing it about is one option but you can always boof it to the big man is anachronistic.
a pass or die manager would be a good choice for me, as that is the sort of football i would like to see us play, but its not everybody's choice, and we have to be aware of that
when you see posts that read ' i dont care what football we play as long as we win' you can see that Lambert might well be a better choice for the majority of fans,
its more what we are used to and i feel Lambert will be able to get his style up and running far more quickly than either of the other 2 choices
yes i'd have loved Martinez to come and try and change our whole philosophy on how we play the game, because i would have bought into the whole plan,
but i dont think the majority would, see the posts saying they dont want the ball passed along the back and getting no where.
i think you will be dissapointed if you expecting any big changes of style with Lambert, its this style thats got him where he is now, he's not going to change, its been successfull for him, so he willl keep to it, anyhow i still feel he is better tactically than MON.
i enjoyed the football MON's team played in the first 18 months, but then you see him signing Harewood and Heskey and you know its all going to go one way, same for Lambert, if he signs Holt and Wilbraham who are playing well for him expect the same type of signings for Villa,
that is the manager we have appointed, that is the manager he is,
we shouldnt be bringing in a new manager then hoping he changes,
i dont want to be negative, but Lambert isnt the man who plays the way i would choose, but i do think i am in the minority, look at the polls, you cant argue with that
thats what you want, thats what you'l get, i just hope it can be successful and we will all be happy
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Martinez snubbed Villa for a second time?
So get Lambert and give the man a chance.
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John, if your idea of a bad choice of manager is one with a long term plan I struggle to think what a good choice would be.
As for Lambert, I hope he adopts a more advanced, passing game. This idea that, you know, passing it about is one option but you can always boof it to the big man is anachronistic.
a pass or die manager would be a good choice for me, as that is the sort of football i would like to see us play, but its not everybody's choice, and we have to be aware of that
when you see posts that read ' i dont care what football we play as long as we win' you can see that Lambert might well be a better choice for the majority of fans,
its more what we are used to and i feel Lambert will be able to get his style up and running far more quickly than either of the other 2 choices
yes i'd have loved Martinez to come and try and change our whole philosophy on how we play the game, because i would have bought into the whole plan,
but i dont think the majority would, see the posts saying they dont want the ball passed along the back and getting no where.
i think you will be dissapointed if you expecting any big changes of style with Lambert, its this style thats got him where he is now, he's not going to change, its been successfull for him, so he willl keep to it, anyhow i still feel he is better tactically than MON.
i enjoyed the football MON's team played in the first 18 months, but then you see him signing Harewood and Heskey and you know its all going to go one way, same for Lambert, if he signs Holt and Wilbraham who are playing well for him expect the same type of signings for Villa,
that is the manager we have appointed, that is the manager he is,
we shouldnt be bringing in a new manager then hoping he changes,
i dont want to be negative, but Lambert isnt the man who plays the way i would choose, but i do think i am in the minority, look at the polls, you cant argue with that
thats what you want, thats what you'l get, i just hope it can be successful and we will all be happy
You make good points John, and I'll be massively disappointed if his first signing is Holt and will eat up huge amounts of humble pie, I just don't buy this 'one trick pony' idea with Lambert. He went to Barca and studied them for heaven's sake! MON probably thinks Barca is in Mexico! Let's give him a fair chance if appointed, he's not been that bad the last three years has he?
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I read a few posts from norwich fans claiming holt wanted to leave because he had fallen out with lambert, no idea if its true but i wouldnt say holt will definately follow, pilkington looks a decent player who i wouldnt mind seeing here though.
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Colchester batter Norwich 7-1 away and within the blink of an eye, Lambert becomes the Norwich boss. Norwich batter Villa 2-0 (could have been 7) on the last day of the season and before another Premier League ball is kicked, he becomes Villa's new manager (I'm assuming). Is there a pattern emerging here? I just hope we don't run up a cricket score against Man U next season.
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I think what is going to be interesting is to see how the press react to us now.
We were loved by them when we were Martin O'Neill's Aston Villa, then treated like shit when we viciously sacked him, not recognising we were dealing with football greatness, then we were ungrateful bastards for driving Houllier out, and not giving McLeish a chance from the start.
Now we've got a manager they generally doff their caps to again (Henry Winter, for example, loves Lambert as he loves O'Neill).
It will be interesting to see what sort of coverage we start getting.
I know where you're coming from, but I really couldn't care less about what the likes of Henry Winter think about our club. Apologies for the language, but fuck 'em.
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I remember reading a decent interview with Lambert a few months back and managed to find it here. I think he has more humility than some give him credit for.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/4255778/Paul-Lambert-I-was-a-cp-player-but-I-grafted-for-success.html
I was a c**p player... but I worked hard to be a winner
THE exact whereabouts of his four Scottish title medals with Celtic are unknown.
The same goes for the one he picked up at Borussia Dortmund when he became the first player from the UK to win a Champions League with a foreign club in 1996-1997.
The shirts he swapped with some of the world’s most famous players are shredded and full of holes.
“I gave them to my dad,” says Paul Lambert. “But he’s a roof tiler, wore them to work and they’re ripped to pieces.
“As for the medals, they’re round the house somewhere, I don’t know where. But all the experience that came with winning them is up here.”
He tapped his head.
The Norwich boss has used it well, building a side in his own image at Carrow Road.
The Canaries stand 10th in the Premier League and could have a decisive say in the title battle as they entertain Manchester City today.
With a managerial merry-go-round expected to be sparked by Harry Redknapp’s Tottenham exit, the name Brendan Rodgers is being bandied about here, there and everywhere.
But Swansea have lost their last four league games to slip to 14th.
Now it’s Lambert’s name being increasingly mentioned after the way Norwich have settled in the top tier after successive promotions.
Yes, Rodgers has orchestrated some spectacular results this season.
But Swansea were already a work in progress when he took over, while Norwich were on their uppers when Lambert arrived.
He smiled and said: “They talk about us being in Swansea’s shadow — I never realised we were!
“Brendan’s done great but the only thing I can influence is what’s going on here. We took over a club that was really struggling and rebuilt it.
“And then rebuilt it in the Championship. And we have done it again.
“You never rest on it, you keep striving, you always want more.”
Of all his achievements, Lambert’s greatest has been in plucking players from the lower divisions.
The team that produced such fine football in winning 2-1 at Spurs cost just £6million to assemble.
That these previously unrecognised journeymen have been given the opportunity is directly related to Lambert’s own playing career.
The 42-year-old father-of-four, another product of the great Glasgow Academy, said: “I wasn’t born with a silver spoon in my mouth.
“I was born in Glasgow in Duke Street, just round the corner from Parkhead. Hardly a playground of the rich and famous. Everything in Glasgow you have to fight for — literally.
“As I said, my dad was a roof tiler, out in all weather in a job generally regarded as one of the toughest around. So it was a far from easy upbringing.
“I wasn’t one of those boy wonders, either, who went straight to Celtic or Rangers. I pitched up at St Mirren as a 13-year-old. It was the greatest experience of my life to work under manager Alex Miller and his coaches Martin Ferguson, Sir Alex’s brother, and Drew Jarvie.
“I washed the boss’ car, painted, helped the groundsman, swept the dressing room and cleaned boots.
“Everything that young players don’t do these days. These guys were hardened pros and I thank God they were my mentors.” Lambert had seven seasons at St Mirren and three at Motherwell. Suddenly he was 27 and out of contract. No one was interested.
Out of the blue came a call from an agent asking whether he was interested in playing abroad.
Lambert chuckled: “I thought he meant somewhere like Liechtenstein.”
Instead, he had a four-game trial at Dortmund and, incredibly, was taken on.
A year later, the free transfer would return to Scotland as a Champions League winner with Celtic paying £2million. His life had been turned on its head.
Sitting in his office at the Norwich training ground this week, he said: “My early career shaped my belief there are many players out there who are good enough. All they need is the chance.
“That’s what happened with me at Dortmund. I also learned another important lesson there — that football is a proper job not a hobby.
“As a player I was c**p. I was probably the worst player in the Dortmund side, a team with genuinely world-class players.”
Lambert reeled off the names, Matthias Sammer, Lars Ricken, Andreas Moller... and laughed again.
“Actually I was more c**p than I thought!” he said. “But I worked hard and I became a winner.”
He undersells himself but you get the point. “I want winners, I don’t want players whose careers are dominated by money,” he added.
“That will come later as a result of success. Like here, we won League One and then the Championship and now those players reap the reward.
“I like hungry players. That’s what I’ve got. They never ask for anything and they never throw in the towel.
“When Norwich went up to the Championship everyone was telling me to buy Premier League players.
“I asked them how they knew that the players I already had weren’t good enough.” Lambert is very much his own man — very much a mould-breaker and not solely because he’s a Glaswegian who drinks white wine and measures it in glasses not bottles.
When he took his coaching badges, he did it in Germany, where standards are higher than anywhere.
He did it in a foreign language. It was hard but worth every minute.
Starting his managerial career at Livingstone, Lambert had success at Wycombe and Colchester before arriving at Norwich after his United hammered the Canaries 7-1 on the opening day of the 2009-2010 season.
Five months later, Norwich would travel to Colchester and win 5-0.
Today it’s Manchester City, the team that thrashed them 5-1 earlier in the season.
Lambert said: “We have come a hell of a long way since then. That we can actually compete with them and all their millions when, two years ago, we were playing Walsall, Yeovil and Stockport is incredible.”
And so it is.
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I read that many posters said that Lambert favours a direct style of playing.
Yes, in a certain sense his style of playing is more direct than Rodgers's one, but this must not be read in a negative sense.
I have a soft spot for Norwich, so I had the chance to see several games of the canaries under Lambert, and I have always remained impressed by their style of football; with players that probably earn all together the fees of the sole Richard Dunne, they have played a modern, entertaining, attacking football, with 2 forwards (Gabby and Bent) and one attacking midfielder (Ireland), and with the defenders that tried to build the play from the back instead of limiting to belt the ball clear; they had a never-say-die spirit, and they scored a lot of goals.
What's more?
Since 2010, when I saw Norwich to win the League One with a fantastic comeback, I fell in love with P.L., I just hoped to see him at Villa, and now my dream came true!
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I have being reading some very bitter comments from Norwich fans. They strike me as uppety wankers for a no mark who have had two good seasons in the past twenty years.
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Colchester batter Norwich 7-1 away and within the blink of an eye, Lambert becomes the Norwich boss. Norwich batter Villa 2-0 (could have been 7) on the last day of the season and before another Premier League ball is kicked, he becomes Villa's new manager (I'm assuming). Is there a pattern emerging here? I just hope we don't run up a cricket score against Man U next season.
I know what you mean, but then ... I'd love it if we did!
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Houllier was poor, but you had the idea he was trying to do something, but failing.
McLeish was far far worse than that, and you had the knowledge that he wasn't trying to do anything other than that which he always does - scrape around for draws.
Bang on the nail fella.
In other news - football's answer to the Dalai Lama - Mr Robbie Savage - was suddenly interested in goings on at Villa Park when he heard that we were getting 'Lambo'. His ardour has cooled since he learned that this was in fact a person and not a car.
boom boom.
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Colchester batter Norwich 7-1 away and within the blink of an eye, Lambert becomes the Norwich boss. Norwich batter Villa 2-0 (could have been 7) on the last day of the season and before another Premier League ball is kicked, he becomes Villa's new manager (I'm assuming). Is there a pattern emerging here? I just hope we don't run up a cricket score against Man U next season.
I know what you mean, but then ... I'd love it if we did!
i can remember like yesterday Villa beating Norwich in the league cup final 1975,
Ray Graydon goal which was a bona fidi goal and not a penalty as it was saved onto the post and Ray put in the rebound in open play, 95000 were there to see it
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Colchester batter Norwich 7-1 away and within the blink of an eye, Lambert becomes the Norwich boss. Norwich batter Villa 2-0 (could have been 7) on the last day of the season and before another Premier League ball is kicked, he becomes Villa's new manager (I'm assuming). Is there a pattern emerging here? I just hope we don't run up a cricket score against Man U next season.
We all know he will do the same to us as he did to Colchester or Norwich the day a really big job comes up. Let's just hope that by then he's done enough to warrant it.
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I don't care if the football looks bad if we win every game 1-0. However, if we're not going to win, I'd rather we played good looking stuff. I guess I'm far from alone on that front.
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Colchester batter Norwich 7-1 away and within the blink of an eye, Lambert becomes the Norwich boss. Norwich batter Villa 2-0 (could have been 7) on the last day of the season and before another Premier League ball is kicked, he becomes Villa's new manager (I'm assuming). Is there a pattern emerging here? I just hope we don't run up a cricket score against Man U next season.
I know what you mean, but then ... I'd love it if we did!
i can remember like yesterday Villa beating Norwich in the league cup final 1975,
Ray Graydon goal which was a bona fidi goal and not a penalty as it was saved onto the post and Ray put in the rebound in open play, 95000 were there to see it
I was there for that, we took loads that day, remember lots of Villa fans being in the Norwich end. Very happy with impending developments. Typical of Villa to pick a week when I am away on business and unable to access my beloved H and V as much as usual. But have been working with another Villa fan so we have been exchanging snippets of info whenever possible
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i can remember like yesterday Villa beating Norwich in the league cup final 1975,
Ray Graydon goal which was a bona fidi goal and not a penalty as it was saved onto the post and Ray put in the rebound in open play, 95000 were there to see it
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Me too John. I was right behind the goal.
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i can remember like yesterday Villa beating Norwich in the league cup final 1975,
Ray Graydon goal which was a bona fidi goal and not a penalty as it was saved onto the post and Ray put in the rebound in open play, 95000 were there to see it
Me too John. I was right behind the goal.
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Moi aussi
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i can remember like yesterday Villa beating Norwich in the league cup final 1975,
Ray Graydon goal which was a bona fidi goal and not a penalty as it was saved onto the post and Ray put in the rebound in open play, 95000 were there to see it
Me too John. I was right behind the goal.
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You couldn't have been. Me and my mate Dave were right behind the goal! ;-)
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1975 was my 'right of passage' year with Villa, first visit to VP! Damn, nearly four decades, where did they go?
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I would like us to win with style and I don't think that's too much to ask. I've alluded to it earlier but I really think Lambert is looking towards trying to develop a passing style for his team, and I saw signs of it when Norwich played last year. I think he can get us playing good football and winning.
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Colchester batter Norwich 7-1 away and within the blink of an eye, Lambert becomes the Norwich boss. Norwich batter Villa 2-0 (could have been 7) on the last day of the season and before another Premier League ball is kicked, he becomes Villa's new manager (I'm assuming). Is there a pattern emerging here? I just hope we don't run up a cricket score against Man U next season.
We all know he will do the same to us as he did to Colchester or Norwich the day a really big job comes up. Let's just hope that by then he's done enough to warrant it.
Another pleasing aspect is that unlike Houllier and O'Leary, there isn't another Premiership club to which he will be comparing us unfavourably against. This is the biggest job of his career.
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I hope the deal goes through.
He seems to have a strong football philosophy built on attacking, upsetting the opposition and winning. Total oposite of AM.
I'm getting quite excited at the prospect of seeing some good football (and I suspect a lot of changes!) at VP.
I can also take the piss out of my Norwich-supporting mate at work!
Fun times!
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All this Lambert/MOn thing is pissing me off! On what premise? That he played for Celtic, he's male, went to Morrisons on a Friday? It's ridiculous, I get the feeling whoever Villa appoint they would be moaners so why don't we just support our club? As for MON, was it really that bad? After the last couple of years top 6 finishes and cup runs seem a long way off. At times his 'style' produced some great football/results and we reguarly stuck 3 and 4 past teams at certain points through his reign. Unfortunately we have a fan base that contains some idiots who watch Barca and expect everyone to do the same.
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1975 was my 'right of passage' year with Villa, first visit to VP! Damn, nearly four decades, where did they go?
Same year for me - were we gloryhunters then? ;-)
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1975 was my 'right of passage' year with Villa, first visit to VP! Damn, nearly four decades, where did they go?
Same year for me - were we gloryhunters then? ;-)
Naah, not then! I will never forget that day, though, not ever!
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Colchester batter Norwich 7-1 away and within the blink of an eye, Lambert becomes the Norwich boss. Norwich batter Villa 2-0 (could have been 7) on the last day of the season and before another Premier League ball is kicked, he becomes Villa's new manager (I'm assuming). Is there a pattern emerging here? I just hope we don't run up a cricket score against Man U next season.
We all know he will do the same to us as he did to Colchester or Norwich the day a really big job comes up. Let's just hope that by then he's done enough to warrant it.
when was the last time a Villa manager went on to a "bigger" job.
GT mk I?
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Colchester batter Norwich 7-1 away and within the blink of an eye, Lambert becomes the Norwich boss. Norwich batter Villa 2-0 (could have been 7) on the last day of the season and before another Premier League ball is kicked, he becomes Villa's new manager (I'm assuming). Is there a pattern emerging here? I just hope we don't run up a cricket score against Man U next season.
We all know he will do the same to us as he did to Colchester or Norwich the day a really big job comes up. Let's just hope that by then he's done enough to warrant it.
when was the last time a Villa manager went on to a "bigger" job.
GT mk I?
That's because there aren't many bigger jobs than Villa.
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Colchester batter Norwich 7-1 away and within the blink of an eye, Lambert becomes the Norwich boss. Norwich batter Villa 2-0 (could have been 7) on the last day of the season and before another Premier League ball is kicked, he becomes Villa's new manager (I'm assuming). Is there a pattern emerging here? I just hope we don't run up a cricket score against Man U next season.
We all know he will do the same to us as he did to Colchester or Norwich the day a really big job comes up. Let's just hope that by then he's done enough to warrant it.
when was the last time a Villa manager went on to a "bigger" job.
GT mk I?
MON?
......Runs for cover
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Colchester batter Norwich 7-1 away and within the blink of an eye, Lambert becomes the Norwich boss. Norwich batter Villa 2-0 (could have been 7) on the last day of the season and before another Premier League ball is kicked, he becomes Villa's new manager (I'm assuming). Is there a pattern emerging here? I just hope we don't run up a cricket score against Man U next season.
I know what you mean, but then ... I'd love it if we did!
i can remember like yesterday Villa beating Norwich in the league cup final 1975,
Ray Graydon goal which was a bona fidi goal and not a penalty as it was saved onto the post and Ray put in the rebound in open play, 95000 were there to see it
Colchester batter Norwich 7-1 away and within the blink of an eye, Lambert becomes the Norwich boss. Norwich batter Villa 2-0 (could have been 7) on the last day of the season and before another Premier League ball is kicked, he becomes Villa's new manager (I'm assuming). Is there a pattern emerging here? I just hope we don't run up a cricket score against Man U next season.
I know what you mean, but then ... I'd love it if we did!
i can remember like yesterday Villa beating Norwich in the league cup final 1975,
Ray Graydon goal which was a bona fidi goal and not a penalty as it was saved onto the post and Ray put in the rebound in open play, 95000 were there to see it
My one and only trip to Wembley,great day all round.
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I'll renew my ST as soon as he's appointed, simple as that.
A new era, a new dawn, let's just hope PF and RL don't cock this one up.
UTV
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I have being reading some very bitter comments from Norwich fans. They strike me as uppety wankers for a no mark who have had two good seasons in the past twenty years.
Good by their standards. Certainly not by ours.
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They came across as twats as Carrow Road. No sense of humour. Twelve-toed freaks.
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I have being reading some very bitter comments from Norwich fans. They strike me as uppety wankers for a no mark who have had two good seasons in the past twenty years.
Good by their standards. Certainly not by ours.
I was looking at one of their forums earlier, and they did seem to be being unnecessarily unpleasant about us. One Villa fan had put something to the effect of "Canariestalk (or whatever), funny name for a Real Madrid forum!"
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I have being reading some very bitter comments from Norwich fans. They strike me as uppety wankers for a no mark who have had two good seasons in the past twenty years.
Good by their standards. Certainly not by ours.
That's what I hate about newly promoted clubs.
One half decent season and they think they're Barcelona.
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This is what always happens. Mid-ranking clubs can take managers from smaller clubs and it's fine. They then leave to go to bigger clubs and it's the worst thing ever.
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I still prefer them to Ipswich "it's not fair we would've won it if they hadn't got more points than us" Town though.
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And another thing, in all that Villa slagging, they might want to stop and think about the fact that their manager wants to be our manager so much, he actually resigned.
The day the Aston Villa manager does that to join Norwich is the day they earn the right to so much as cock a haughty glance at us.
These people need to learn some respect.
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Like Sunderland. They're bigger than us, yet we clicked our fingers and their top player came running.
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I see a new thread. Clubs That Are Bigger Than Us who (whom?) we got players off.
I'll start. Roberto Pires.
(Runs for cover)
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I see a new thread. Clubs That Are Bigger Than Us who (whom?) we got players off.
I'll start. Roberto Pires.
(Runs for cover)
Djemba Djemba
(which direction is the cover? Shit! Running anyway!)
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We got loads of players from higher division clubs when we were in the Third Division, didn't we?
Anyway, one could make a case for... Carlos Cuellar, Stilyan Petrov, Fabian Delph, James Milner, Nigel Reo-Coker, Darren Bent, Andy Townsend, off the top of my head. All from clubs that have at one stage or other thought that they were bigger than us (in fairness, Celtic probably are).
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Stanley Victor Collymore.
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I thought we were on about when we'd snatched players from clubs with ideas above their station, not when we'd bought in players who were considered to be on the way down from genuinely bigger clubs?
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I thought we were on about when we'd snatched players from clubs with ideas above their station, not when we'd bought in players who were considered to be on the way down from genuinely bigger clubs?
Either way - Clubs That Are Bigger Than Us that we got players off.
Steve Staunton.
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Paul McGrath (although, in terms of trophies won, they were smaller than us at the time).
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In fairness, the Norwich fans are reacting no differently to a lot of ours did when Gareth Barry chose to move to a club who'd finished below us in the league.
It's nothing to do with being bigger clubs, it's about professionals making decisions they believe will give them greater opportunities to realise their ambitions and, of course, earn more money.
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I still prefer them to Ipswich "it's not fair we would've won it if they hadn't got more points than us" Town though.
To be fair I think Ipswich have more of a problem with us than the other way round. As much stick as we give Alan Brazil, I'm not sure any of us actually have nightmares about him. I bet he still has the odd nightmare about us. Anyway, if they were so great why didn't they win it the next year while we were too busy winning the European Cup?
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We got loads of players from higher division clubs when we were in the Third Division, didn't we?
Anyway, one could make a case for... Carlos Cuellar, Stilyan Petrov, Fabian Delph, James Milner, Nigel Reo-Coker, Darren Bent, Andy Townsend, off the top of my head. All from clubs that have at one stage or other thought that they were bigger than us (in fairness, Celtic probably are).
Dean Saunders?
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Colchester batter Norwich 7-1 away and within the blink of an eye, Lambert becomes the Norwich boss. Norwich batter Villa 2-0 (could have been 7) on the last day of the season and before another Premier League ball is kicked, he becomes Villa's new manager (I'm assuming). Is there a pattern emerging here? I just hope we don't run up a cricket score against Man U next season.
We all know he will do the same to us as he did to Colchester or Norwich the day a really big job comes up. Let's just hope that by then he's done enough to warrant it.
Or you could see it this way: If he manages an improvement rate similar to Norwich with us, how long would it take before the Villa job is bigger than most? ;)
A man can dream, at least.
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If lambert leaves in 3 years for another club we can probably assume we will be in much better position than he took over in- i think he will stay a few years and there are only maybe 5 bigger jobs in england.
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Milan Baros
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I don't understand the purpose of naming players who were discarded by bigger clubs as if that were some sort of triumph? When we've got players from Manu or Liverpool its because their manager didn't want them any more. I think Milner is the biggest signing I can recall in terms of us asserting ourselves to get a player that another big club wanted to keep hold of.
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To be fair I think Ipswich have more of a problem with us than the other way round. As much stick as we give Alan Brazil, I'm not sure any of us actually have nightmares about him. I bet he still has the odd nightmare about us. Anyway, if they were so great why didn't they win it the next year while we were too busy winning the European Cup?
Totally agree, as for Talksport I've never listened to it, gets too much of a slagging on here for me to bother with it.
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I think the Norwich fans know what a good manager we potentially have and must be very worried that this season will now be much tougher for them than the last...
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I think the Norwoch fans know what a good manager we potentially have and must be very worried that this season will now be much tougher for them than the last...
Neil Lennon and Chris Hughton odds on though right now. Might not all be bad..
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For all those concerned about Lambert leaving us in the future I suggest this:
Lambert left Colchester to take over Norwich in League 1. The Colchester fans warned them that he would be off as soon as a bigger club came knocking. He guided Norwich from League 1 to the Prem in 2 years and then kept them there with change to spare in year 3. A bigger club came knocking and he left. If Lambert has the same effect on the Villa and ends up with bigger job than ours in 3 years time then I will be ecstatic. He didn't go from Colchester to Norwich to Villa overnight, he did it by proving himself. I am sure the Norwich fans are much happier now than they were before he arrived at Carrow Road. If Lambert performs so well at the Villa that he is courted by the top clubs then I for one will be delighted that we signed him because we would have to be in a much better place than were now for him to get that recognition. Welcome to Villa Park Mr. Lambert! ;)
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Hang-on! He hasn't joined us yet!
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Life would be a lot easier if everyone accepted their place in the football food chain, what you do to the club below you, will eventually be done to yourself, be it players or managers.
The positive element is the time you get with either a decent player or manager and how it helps your club progress. Moving up the chain was somewhat easier in years gone by, not so much now but it can still be done. Usually with the help of a kindly, oil rich chap with shit loads of money.
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Life would be a lot easier if everyone accepted their place in the football food chain, what you do to the club below you, will eventually be done to yourself, be it players or managers.
Are you a sort of footballing Boy George, you Karma Chameleon?
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Lambert wasn't my first choice, but once he signs that contract then he is manager of our club and he'll get my support.
One thing all of us are going to need is patience (from the owner down to the youngest fan). A big club is like a big oil tanker, it takes time to turn it round and after the last two years it's going to take a heck of a lot of hard work to turn round the good ship Aston Villa. Unless of course Randy is willing to give Lambert a wedge to spend of Citeh proportions, and we all know that ain't going to happen.
I should think that the same financial constraints will be in place for Lambert as they were for TSM so don't expect to see any expensive signings rocking up at Villa Park in the near future.
If he signs a three year deal (and stays that long) then all we can hope for is steady progress back to regular top six finishes and decent cup runs and maybe even win one of the bloody things.
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Life would be a lot easier if everyone accepted their place in the football food chain, what you do to the club below you, will eventually be done to yourself, be it players or managers.
Are you a sort of footballing Boy George, you Karma Chameleon?
Maybe we could've chained Ashley Young to a radiator, that would've stopped him leaving.
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Managers, or players for that matter, aren't so blinkered that they look at last seasons league table to make a decision on whether to jump ship.
It's all about potential, and ours is better, despite what Norwich fans say.
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According to Timothy Abraham, its hopefull that Lambert to be signed up on a three year contract by the end of the day.
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For all those concerned about Lambert leaving us in the future I suggest this:
Lambert left Colchester to take over Norwich in League 1. The Colchester fans warned them that he would be off as soon as a bigger club came knocking. He guided Norwich from League 1 to the Prem in 2 years and then kept them there with change to spare in year 3. A bigger club came knocking and he left. If Lambert has the same effect on the Villa and ends up with bigger job than ours in 3 years time then I will be ecstatic. He didn't go from Colchester to Norwich to Villa overnight, he did it by proving himself. I am sure the Norwich fans are much happier now than they were before he arrived at Carrow Road. If Lambert performs so well at the Villa that he is courted by the top clubs then I for one will be delighted that we signed him because we would have to be in a much better place than were now for him to get that recognition. Welcome to Villa Park Mr. Lambert! ;)
It wasn't difficult for him to get bigger clubs than Norwich and Colchester, getting a bigger club than Villa will be difficult...
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For all those concerned about Lambert leaving us in the future I suggest this:
Lambert left Colchester to take over Norwich in League 1. The Colchester fans warned them that he would be off as soon as a bigger club came knocking. He guided Norwich from League 1 to the Prem in 2 years and then kept them there with change to spare in year 3. A bigger club came knocking and he left. If Lambert has the same effect on the Villa and ends up with bigger job than ours in 3 years time then I will be ecstatic. He didn't go from Colchester to Norwich to Villa overnight, he did it by proving himself. I am sure the Norwich fans are much happier now than they were before he arrived at Carrow Road. If Lambert performs so well at the Villa that he is courted by the top clubs then I for one will be delighted that we signed him because we would have to be in a much better place than were now for him to get that recognition. Welcome to Villa Park Mr. Lambert! ;)
It wasn't difficult for him to get bigger clubs than Norwich and Colchester, getting a bigger club than Villa will be difficult...
Yeah realistically to most of England there are maybe 7 teams that would be considered bigger jobs than us at the moment.
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sportinglife.com
Aston Villa are hopeful of announcing Paul Lambert as their new manager within the next 24 hours, Press Association Sport understands.
Villa remain confident of securing Lambert as Alex McLeish's successor even though Norwich refused to accept his resignation on Thursday.
The midlands club are ready to pay the compensation demands of the Canaries for Lambert, who has a rolling contract at Carrow Road.
The Scot held talks on Thursday with Villa, who are optimistic any loose ends can be tied up sooner rather than later.
Lambert will then be charged by club owner Randy Lerner with the task of revitalising Villa after two seasons in the doldrums.
After three successive top-six finishes under Martin O'Neill, Villa have dropped too close to the Barclays Premier League bottom three for comfort.
It is believed Lambert will be given money to spend after McLeish spent last season reducing what he described as an "astronomical" wage bill.
Lambert will also be able to use the money from any players he generates from current Villa players he off-loads to bolster the squad.
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For all those concerned about Lambert leaving us in the future I suggest this:
Lambert left Colchester to take over Norwich in League 1. The Colchester fans warned them that he would be off as soon as a bigger club came knocking. He guided Norwich from League 1 to the Prem in 2 years and then kept them there with change to spare in year 3. A bigger club came knocking and he left. If Lambert has the same effect on the Villa and ends up with bigger job than ours in 3 years time then I will be ecstatic. He didn't go from Colchester to Norwich to Villa overnight, he did it by proving himself. I am sure the Norwich fans are much happier now than they were before he arrived at Carrow Road. If Lambert performs so well at the Villa that he is courted by the top clubs then I for one will be delighted that we signed him because we would have to be in a much better place than were now for him to get that recognition. Welcome to Villa Park Mr. Lambert! ;)
It wasn't difficult for him to get bigger clubs than Norwich and Colchester, getting a bigger club than Villa will be difficult...
Yeah realistically to most of England there are maybe 7 teams that would be considered bigger jobs than us at the moment.
My point is that if we are to be a stepping stone to greater things for ANYONE, manager or player, then it means that we must have had some success brought to us by said person. Ergo, if Lambert does sign for us and does so well that even bigger clubs than ours come knocking then it will mean we will have had a modicum of success. Something we all crave.
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Lets get it tied up asap. I hope there is money to spend because it seems we have no problem getting people interested in the job but as soon as they find out a few more details they run a mile or at least appear less enthusiastic.. another "oh i've changed my mind" response is not acceptable
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For all those concerned about Lambert leaving us in the future I suggest this:
Lambert left Colchester to take over Norwich in League 1. The Colchester fans warned them that he would be off as soon as a bigger club came knocking. He guided Norwich from League 1 to the Prem in 2 years and then kept them there with change to spare in year 3. A bigger club came knocking and he left. If Lambert has the same effect on the Villa and ends up with bigger job than ours in 3 years time then I will be ecstatic. He didn't go from Colchester to Norwich to Villa overnight, he did it by proving himself. I am sure the Norwich fans are much happier now than they were before he arrived at Carrow Road. If Lambert performs so well at the Villa that he is courted by the top clubs then I for one will be delighted that we signed him because we would have to be in a much better place than were now for him to get that recognition. Welcome to Villa Park Mr. Lambert! ;)
It wasn't difficult for him to get bigger clubs than Norwich and Colchester, getting a bigger club than Villa will be difficult...
Yeah realistically to most of England there are maybe 7 teams that would be considered bigger jobs than us at the moment.
My point is that if we are to be a stepping stone to greater things for ANYONE, manager or player, then it means that we must have had some success brought to us by said person. Ergo, if Lambert does sign for us and does so well that even bigger clubs than ours come knocking then it will mean we will have had a modicum of success. Something we all crave.
exactly. I hope it does happen like that, then we'll have won something.... maybe.
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He undersells himself but you get the point. “I want winners, I don’t want players whose careers are dominated by money,” he added.
“That will come later as a result of success. Like here, we won League One and then the Championship and now those players reap the reward.
“I like hungry players. That’s what I’ve got. They never ask for anything and they never throw in the towel.
This more than anything is why i like this guy - no nonsense.
I always felt last season that our players were better than the results / league position portrayed - i really think he more than any of the other contenders will get the best out of them
Really excited - just hope they get it signed soon ITSOTP
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Not sure i agree. If he likes hungry players he's gonna love Dunne.
*runs off*
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If Lambert gets it right at Villa, there won't be many bigger clubs for him to go to. In our slump years, we often forget just how big Aston Villa are. If he does move on in around three years, it will mean that we've had some good times. I am very optimistic about this appointment.
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Talksport still banging on about how Aston Villa is "a step down" for Lambert...
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It's comments like these, about wanting hungry players, that fill me with hope - some of the coasters we have at the club are going to have a rude awakening, I think (I really hope so).
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Talksport still banging on about how Aston Villa is "a step down" for Lambert...
Who really cares what nonsense Talkshite peddle?
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Talksport still banging on about how Aston Villa is "a step down" for Lambert...
Let them bang on all they like. We've landed a manager with real potential, that's all that matters. I actually think we're making a better appointment than Liverpool.
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I don't understand why people listen to Talksport, it's ill informed nonsense. They try and air the most contraversial opinions to rile people up and get them to call in.
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You're right about Talksport Paul, but I listen to it mainly because they talk about football and I enjoy the opinions of the numpties who phone in.
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For all those concerned about Lambert leaving us in the future I suggest this:
Lambert left Colchester to take over Norwich in League 1. The Colchester fans warned them that he would be off as soon as a bigger club came knocking. He guided Norwich from League 1 to the Prem in 2 years and then kept them there with change to spare in year 3. A bigger club came knocking and he left. If Lambert has the same effect on the Villa and ends up with bigger job than ours in 3 years time then I will be ecstatic. He didn't go from Colchester to Norwich to Villa overnight, he did it by proving himself. I am sure the Norwich fans are much happier now than they were before he arrived at Carrow Road. If Lambert performs so well at the Villa that he is courted by the top clubs then I for one will be delighted that we signed him because we would have to be in a much better place than were now for him to get that recognition. Welcome to Villa Park Mr. Lambert! ;)
It wasn't difficult for him to get bigger clubs than Norwich and Colchester, getting a bigger club than Villa will be difficult...
Yeah realistically to most of England there are maybe 7 teams that would be considered bigger jobs than us at the moment.
My point is that if we are to be a stepping stone to greater things for ANYONE, manager or player, then it means that we must have had some success brought to us by said person. Ergo, if Lambert does sign for us and does so well that even bigger clubs than ours come knocking then it will mean we will have had a modicum of success. Something we all crave.
exactly. I hope it does happen like that, then we'll have won something.... maybe.
I find it somewhat ironic however that many people thought MON was going to move on from Villa to take the Man U job........ He is now at Sunderland.......
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My super secret sources tell me Lerner and Lambert had a "secret" meeting at Lerner's house. And that Villa's media guy tipped Sky off about the "within 48 hours" line they peddled. And lastly that Sky have been told they can film today around lunch time.
Ignore it if you like, but I trust the guy.
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As long as Darren Gough thinks its a good appointment.... thats all iI worry about
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On a very positive note, if PL does come to us, then it will show the footballing world that we CAN attract mangers from other clubs and that we ARE still regarded as a big name after the Martinez shenanigans of last year. Prizing away one of the countries top up-and-coming mangers from a fellow Premier League side who finished above us shows just how much might we still have. If this comes off then congrats to Lerner and the board..... 8)
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I find it somewhat ironic however that many people thought MON was going to move on from Villa to take the Man U job........ He is now at Sunderland.......
Nobody who saw the way MON managed Villa close up would have realistically expected him to get Manure.
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Talksport still banging on about how Aston Villa is "a step down" for Lambert...
Let them bang on all they like. We've landed a manager with real potential, that's all that matters. I actually think we're making a better appointment than Liverpool.
Bit like Talksport is a step down from Hospital Radio
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Talksport still banging on about how Aston Villa is "a step down" for Lambert...
Let them bang on all they like. We've landed a manager with real potential, that's all that matters. I actually think we're making a better appointment than Liverpool.
Exactly how I feel. Lambert was my No1 choice from the very start with.
I can see Rodgers going to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' turning into a total disaster. Very surprised at that one.
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I hope Fat Quinny, gives us his blessing - he's the one I'm worried about....ahem.
What a cock, end of previous season, he was banging on about how L-'The Mighty Reds YNWA' would win the league with King Kenneth, bellend. Totally, biased and narrow-minded view. Most of them are like that on TalkShite - it's all for affect so they get callers ringing in to have a go - tabloid Radio.
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Talksport still banging on about how Aston Villa is "a step down" for Lambert...
Let them bang on all they like. We've landed a manager with real potential, that's all that matters. I actually think we're making a better appointment than Liverpool.
Exactly how I feel. Lambert was my No1 choice from the very start with.
I can see Rodgers going to 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' turning into a total disaster. Very surprised at that one.
Talksport know that this is the best way to wind up Villa fans: tell the Villans they're a small club. They did the same when we got Bent.
I've found it really interesting comparing and contrasting the coverage and angles the press have gone for in covering the Villa and Liverpool management appointments and - possibly I'm being a little too sensitive - but it strikes me that they were always going to put a negative spin on all things Villa. The sooner we have more people in the UK media willing to fight our corner (and fighting for Birmingham/the Midlands in general, too) the better because it genuinely affects our profile and image.
On the bright side, through all the negativity I've heard from Newcastle, Everton, Norwich fans and so on, suggesting that this is a step down or sideways move for Lambert, I do sense fear. They all know this has the potential to be a great appointment and that the real Aston Villa could very soon be back.
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I do hope Lambert is not invited to dinner in Delia's house tonight? it could all go wrong there.
My super secret sources tell me Lerner and Lambert had a "secret" meeting at Lerner's house. And that Villa's media guy tipped Sky off about the "within 48 hours" line they peddled. And lastly that Sky have been told they can film today around lunch time.
Ignore it if you like, but I trust the guy.
Where is Lerner's house?
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I hope Fat Quinny, gives us his blessing - he's the one I'm worried about....ahem.
What a cock, end of previous season, he was banging on about how L-'The Mighty Reds YNWA' would win the league with King Kenneth, bellend. Totally, biased and narrow-minded view. Most of them are like that on TalkShite - it's all for affect so they get callers ringing in to have a go - tabloid Radio.
Or so that people complain about them on fans' sites?
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I do hope Lambert is not invited to dinner in Delia's house tonight? it could all go wrong there.My super secret sources tell me Lerner and Lambert had a "secret" meeting at Lerner's house. And that Villa's media guy tipped Sky off about the "within 48 hours" line they peddled. And lastly that Sky have been told they can film today around lunch time.
Ignore it if you like, but I trust the guy.
Where is Lerner's house?
It ain't in Balsall Heath mite!
Good luck to Paul, if the suggestions are correct. Onwards and upwards to new glories, and beyond!
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Where is Lerner's house?
Not far from Bodymoor I think - near Kingsbury Water Park
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I hope Fat Quinny, gives us his blessing - he's the one I'm worried about....ahem.
What a cock, end of previous season, he was banging on about how L-'The Mighty Reds YNWA' would win the league with King Kenneth, bellend. Totally, biased and narrow-minded view. Most of them are like that on TalkShite - it's all for affect so they get callers ringing in to have a go - tabloid Radio.
Or so that people complain about them on fans' sites?
I don't understand....oh right.
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Let them bang on all they like. We've landed a manager with real potential, that's all that matters. I actually think we're making a better appointment than Liverpool.
Agree 100% with you there Pete. I hope we get the dippers away early in the season. I reckon we'll give them a game this year.
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In the world of Shelley perspective there are NO bigger clubs than Aston Villa!
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Talksport still banging on about how Aston Villa is "a step down" for Lambert...
Talksport still banging on about how Aston Villa is "a step down" for Lambert...
Let them bang on all they like. We've landed a manager with real potential, that's all that matters. I actually think we're making a better appointment than Liverpool.
Let them bang on all they like. We've landed a manager with real potential, that's all that matters. I actually think we're making a better appointment than Liverpool.
Agree 100% with you there Pete. I hope we get the dippers away early in the season. I reckon we'll give them a game this year.
The Lambert/Rogers/Martinez games will all be interesting considering their respective choices.
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In the world of Shelley perspective there are NO bigger clubs than Aston Villa!
And a very fine perspective too, may I add?
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I remember watching something recently about Lambert and Norwich. Can't for the life of me remember what it was (maybe goals on Sunday!?) anyway, they were highlighting that Norwich were all about 'movement' on the pitch. Remember be highly impressed and I'm sure there equaliser against arsenal was shown as example too.
Ramble over
Looking forward to Lambert getting started
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In the world of Shelley perspective there are NO bigger clubs than Aston Villa!
And a very fine perspective too, may I add?
I'd like to point out that from my perspective I agree.
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I wish people would realise that TalkShite only say most of this to be controversial and to get you to text in at 50p a time. They do it on purpose and rarely are they their own thoughts.
Put 6Music on instead and listen to some tunes!
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I read that many posters said that Lambert favours a direct style of playing.
Yes, in a certain sense his style of playing is more direct than Rodgers's one, but this must not be read in a negative sense.
I have a soft spot for Norwich, so I had the chance to see several games of the canaries under Lambert, and I have always remained impressed by their style of football; with players that probably earn all together the fees of the sole Richard Dunne, they have played a modern, entertaining, attacking football, with 2 forwards (Gabby and Bent) and one attacking midfielder (Ireland), and with the defenders that tried to build the play from the back instead of limiting to belt the ball clear; they had a never-say-die spirit, and they scored a lot of goals.
What's more?
Since 2010, when I saw Norwich to win the League One with a fantastic comeback, I fell in love with P.L., I just hoped to see him at Villa, and now my dream came true!
Reading back through this thread, this comment makes me the most positive. I know you're an absolute stickler for everything progressive and possession based, Archie, so for you to say these things is positive. Sounds more reminiscent of Bundesliga approaches than British, which makes a lot of sense.
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Where is Lerner's house?
Not far from Bodymoor I think - near Kingsbury Water Park
Either Tamworth or Telford out in the sticks, can't remember which one. I know someone that works there who comes into my work. If he comes back he pays all the staff to go home because he hates having people around
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Where is Lerner's house?
Not far from Bodymoor I think - near Kingsbury Water Park
He also has one in London.
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Where is Lerner's house?
Not far from Bodymoor I think - near Kingsbury Water Park
He also has one in London.
Also New York and Cleveland. Must be nice to be a poor rich man. ;)
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sportinglife.com
Aston Villa are hopeful of announcing Paul Lambert as their new manager within the next 24 hours, Press Association Sport understands.
Villa remain confident of securing Lambert as Alex McLeish's successor even though Norwich refused to accept his resignation on Thursday.
The midlands club are ready to pay the compensation demands of the Canaries for Lambert, who has a rolling contract at Carrow Road.
compensation . Gravy granules and brocolli , Delia will be happy with that.
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I wish people would realise that TalkShite only say most of this to be controversial and to get you to text in at 50p a time. They do it on purpose and rarely are they their own thoughts.
Put 6Music on instead and listen to some tunes!
It's not all bad on there. I know he is a blue nose, but Ian Danter is OK and Matt Holland comes across well when he is on there. Durham and Gough, and Hawksbee and Jacobs are irritating beyond belief though.
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Not sure i agree. If he likes hungry players he's gonna love Dunne.
*runs off*
again send him to Norwich , Delia would love him .
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Talksport still banging on about how Aston Villa is "a step down" for Lambert...
Let them bang on all they like. We've landed a manager with real potential, that's all that matters. I actually think we're making a better appointment than Liverpool.
Bit like Talksport is a step down from Hospital Radio
I listen to TS and they slag us off and then they will say ' Here's Mark a villa fan , and wants to talk about villa ' and I go , go on you fucker Mark , tell them WHO WE ARE !!! and the caller is a bloody embarrasment to us , like a few that phone in .
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I wish people would realise that TalkShite only say most of this to be controversial and to get you to text in at 50p a time. They do it on purpose and rarely are they their own thoughts.
Put 6Music on instead and listen to some tunes!
It's not all bad on there. I know he is a blue nose, but Ian Danter is OK and Matt Holland comes across well when he is on there. Durham and Gough, and Hawksbee and Jacobs are irritating beyond belief though.
I actually like listening to Alan Brazil. Surprisingly, he generally has positive things to say about Aston Villa. Often comments that it shouldn,t be underestimated what a "big" club the Villa are.
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I wish people would realise that TalkShite only say most of this to be controversial and to get you to text in at 50p a time. They do it on purpose and rarely are they their own thoughts.
Put 6Music on instead and listen to some tunes!
Wise words woz.
On another issue. I'm a bit confused as to who is who on the site at the moment with the latest user name changes, some are easy to work out, others less so.
So, who are you, let's be havin you!
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Where is Lerner's house?
Not far from Bodymoor I think - near Kingsbury Water Park
Either Tamworth or Telford out in the sticks, can't remember which one. I know someone that works there who comes into my work. If he comes back he pays all the staff to go home because he hates having people around
It's in Hurley I believe and is owned by the club apparently.
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OK I will ring him first before I go around and ask for postcode!
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Fingers crossed that this goes through. From what I've read Lambert is a thinker, a motivator, is determined, takes no shit, is open-minded about the game, and has a long-standing winning habit. Let's hope it continues.
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No Twitter gossip to report?
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Apologies if posted before, but this is interesting from a Norwich point of view:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city-fc/aston_villa_a_challenge_that_paul_lambert_simply_couldn_t_resist_1_1395925
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No Twitter gossip to report?
Stanley Victor is going to Kiev to attempt an ironic reversal of Bruce Willis's role in the Die Hard film where he has to stand in Harlem with an "I hate niggas" sign.
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Apparently it's done Just waiting for official statement
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Is that official?
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Is that official?
Not official but a very good source has just tweeted it
@proudvillan: I have just been told that Paul Lambert is now our manager!!
Just waiting for official statement!
Paul Lambert's Claret & Blue Army!!
They're normally pretty reliable
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Excellent news if it is right.
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Ssn saying Norwich are searching for new manager as talks with villa over compensation continue.
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SSN are always behind.
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You know how this works. It always seems a lot longer than it is because we endlessly refresh every page of every site we visit in hope that the next time will be the time where everything is official. The dotting of i's and the crossing of t's always takes time, and not only that, Villa don't announce anything until the ink is completely dry. Think of all of the times when a transfer is announced on the OS in the evening, yet the pictures of the player, stretching the shirt next to the goal are in broad daylight. This deal is as sure as it comes, and it will only take an asteroid crashing into the earth type scenario for it to collapse now. It would be nice to see the official announcement today so the weekend is a lot more relaxing.
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SSN are always behind.
It could be me that's behind. I'm extremely busy at the moment and only turned on SSN for a quick look.
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Apologies if posted before, but this is interesting from a Norwich point of view:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city-fc/aston_villa_a_challenge_that_paul_lambert_simply_couldn_t_resist_1_1395925
Great to see some common sense written about this, from such an unlikely source as Norwich's local media, and also some deserved respect for our club.
Talkshite can go and get fucked.
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All gone quiet...
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All gone quiet...
no news is good news right.....
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All gone quiet...
no news is good news right.....
If you say so...
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Apologies if posted before, but this is interesting from a Norwich point of view:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city-fc/aston_villa_a_challenge_that_paul_lambert_simply_couldn_t_resist_1_1395925
Great to see some common sense written about this, from such an unlikely source as Norwich's local media, and also some deserved respect for our club.
Talkshite can go and get fucked.
Still contains another little dig at the Villa fans though. I really don't know where this idea that we are terrible fans has come from. The Bolton game aside, I thought the majority of the fans were pretty patient with him despite the fact it looked like he was taking us towards relegation. Liverpool fans hounded Hodgson out when they were in mid-table, yet they are still the "best fans in the world". Put a few of the bigger clubs in the position we were in last season and let's see how their fans would react.
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Still talking compensation settlement by all accounts, once thats done should be straight forward from there.
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I dont give a shit what any one thinks about us, certainly not a shower of tractor shagging retards.
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Apologies if posted before, but this is interesting from a Norwich point of view:
http://www.edp24.co.uk/sport/norwich-city-fc/aston_villa_a_challenge_that_paul_lambert_simply_couldn_t_resist_1_1395925
Great to see some common sense written about this, from such an unlikely source as Norwich's local media, and also some deserved respect for our club.
Talkshite can go and get fucked.
Still contains another little dig at the Villa fans though. I really don't know where this idea that we are terrible fans has come from. The Bolton game aside, I thought the majority of the fans were pretty patient with him despite the fact it looked like he was taking us towards relegation. Liverpool fans hounded Hodgson out when they were in mid-table, yet they are still the "best fans in the world". Put a few of the bigger clubs in the position we were in last season and let's see how their fans would react.
Don't get so touchy about it. This isn't a personal dig by the way, your comments have been echoed numerous times in the last few months. The way I see it is that all fans of other teams are c**ts and they probably think we are too.
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I dont give a shit what any one thinks about us, certainly not a shower of tractor shagging retards.
I laughed out loud!!
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Don't get so touchy about it. This isn't a personal dig by the way, your comments have been echoed numerous times in the last few months. The way I see it is that all fans of other teams are c**ts and they probably think we are too.
True in the same way all fans think they have a certain amount of power. Yet most 'pool fans wanted Dalgleish to stay and off he went, and at Villa the only person who got McLeish the sack was Alex McLeish.
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I think Norwich have announced that they're looking for Lambert's replacement...
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I think Norwich have announced that they're looking for Lambert's replacement...
Worzel Gummadge leads the betting at evens
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Nothing we haven't alreasdy heard. But help fills the time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18293457
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Life would be a lot easier if everyone accepted their place in the football food chain, what you do to the club below you, will eventually be done to yourself, be it players or managers.
Are you a sort of footballing Boy George, you Karma Chameleon?
Maybe we could've chained Ashley Young to a radiator, that would've stopped him leaving.
(Dan Maskell voice) Oh I say *ripple of applause*
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I dont give a shit what any one thinks about us, certainly not a shower of tractor shagging retards.
I laughed out loud!!
Me too. This thread has hit the LOL motherlode.
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Baggies have come in for Lambert last minute and he wants to speak to them , If Lambert goes to Baggies , McCarthy will be Villa manager by Sunday ...
Fook that was a bad dream I just had. ;)
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I dont give a shit what any one thinks about us, certainly not a shower of tractor shagging retards.
I laughed out loud!!
Me too. This thread has hit the LOL motherlode.
I'm taking off in my ROFLcopter.
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Baggies have come in for Lambert last minute and he wants to speak to them , If Lambert goes to Baggies , McCarthy will be Villa manager by Sunday ...
Fook that was a bad dream I just had. ;)
There is actually a Strange Dreams thread for that kind of thing ;)
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Poor old TSM he waited a whole year to hear his name chanted from the stands, it never came
whereas 'Paul Lamberts claret and blue army' was sung even before the fella got the job, and was at the time someone elses manager
this must be a record of the earleist ever of fans chanting the name of there manager
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My understanding is that Delia is haggling over just how bootiful are the turkey legs we are offering in compo and that if he doesn't cut the mustard can we send him back.
Just back from the pub so they are the best Norfolk puns I can come up with.
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Norwich is apparently trying to keep Lambert's backroom staff (his assistant manager etc) by offering them somekind of deal...would be surprising if Lambert wouldn't had told Lerner to get his men too.
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Norwich is apparently trying to keep Lambert's backroom staff (his assistant manager etc) by offering them somekind of deal...would be surprising if Lambert wouldn't had told Lerner to get his men too.
What's the point in doing that surely the next manager they get in will want their own staff anyway
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I recall being in Waitrose when a lady asked the assistant where the Bernard Manning Turkey drummers were. I felt like going over to her and suggesting she look in the frozen bigotry section.
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I reckon that Randy being the good republican, is holding off the announcement until Monday just to put a spoke in Lizzies celebrations.
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I reckon that Randy being the good republican, is holding off the announcement until Monday just to put a spoke in Lizzies celebrations.
If he is a "good republican" then he would know to do it on Tuesday. ;-)
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Norwich is apparently trying to keep Lambert's backroom staff (his assistant manager etc) by offering them somekind of deal...would be surprising if Lambert wouldn't had told Lerner to get his men too.
What's the point in doing that surely the next manager they get in will want their own staff anyway
Probably trying to get as much money as they can from Villa.
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Norwich is apparently trying to keep Lambert's backroom staff (his assistant manager etc) by offering them somekind of deal...would be surprising if Lambert wouldn't had told Lerner to get his men too.
What's the point in doing that surely the next manager they get in will want their own staff anyway
Probably trying to get as much money as they can from Villa.
FFS we've already offered a pack of Turkey Drummers. What more do they want?
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I wonder if I'll get my text message today. Hope so.
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Baggies have come in for Lambert last minute and he wants to speak to them , If Lambert goes to Baggies , McCarthy will be Villa manager by Sunday ...
Fook that was a bad dream I just had. ;)
There is actually a Strange Dreams thread for that kind of thing ;)
Dont really fancy knowing about the kinky dreams of people on here thanks ;)
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FFs TSport shut the ffok up about Lambert leaving Norwich in the shit. HOW DO COLCHESTER FEEL!!!!
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Poor old TSM he waited a whole year to hear his name chanted from the stands, it never came
He had his name sung plenty of times, it was just accompanied with 'out' 'sack' and 'wanker'.
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Poor old TSM he waited a whole year to hear his name chanted from the stands, it never came
whereas 'Paul Lamberts claret and blue army' was sung even before the fella got the job, and was at the time someone elses manager
this must be a record of the earleist ever of fans chanting the name of there manager
I think the bin dippers were chanting for King Kenny for quite a while before he was re-appointed.
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Why did the Norwichian cross the road?
Because he couldnt get his knob out of the turkey.
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FFs TSport shut the ffok up about Lambert leaving Norwich in the shit. HOW DO COLCHESTER FEEL!!!!
I hate TS. There no banging on about how Rogers has left 'Swansea' in the shit. Noooooooo. Wouldn't want to upset the mighty 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'
I like Brendan Rogers but by god do I hate Liverpool
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Baggies have come in for Lambert last minute and he wants to speak to them , If Lambert goes to Baggies , McCarthy will be Villa manager by Sunday ...
Fook that was a bad dream I just had. ;)
There is actually a Strange Dreams thread for that kind of thing ;)
Dont really fancy knowing about the kinky dreams of people on here thanks ;)
So the thought of Darren Bent dressed in Claret And Blue Lingerie scoring the winning goal in the European Cup Final doesn't turn you on?
Call yourself a Villa fan?
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Poor old TSM he waited a whole year to hear his name chanted from the stands, it never came
He had his name sung plenty of times, it was just accompanied with 'out' 'sack' and 'wanker'.
The Villa is ours, the Villa is ours...
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Oops, wrong thread!
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Poor old TSM he waited a whole year to hear his name chanted from the stands, it never came
He had his name sung plenty of times, it was just accompanied with 'out' 'sack' and 'wanker'.
The Villa is ours, the Villa is ours...
pfft. I bet you're not even a major shareholder.
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SSN's Pete Colley is outside BH saying they going through the legals, almost done
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SSN's Pete Colley is outside BH saying they going through the legals, almost done
Somersault primed and ready. Someone call me an ambulance when I break my neck in glee.
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Make it quick so I can get out on the piss and wind the noses up
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EDIT: wrong thread.
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did wm just say hew now a villa man i missed some ove it?
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did wm just say hew now a villa man i missed some ove it?
come again?
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wm sport show on the radio mentioned that lambert was now villa manager but i missed most of the update
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According to Ian Winter on Midlands Today just the legal niceties to go through and an official announcement 'early next week'.
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wm sport show on the radio mentioned that lambert was now villa manager but i missed most of the update
sounds like somebody `calling it' again. First we'll know for sure will be on the OS
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According to Ian Winter on Midlands Today just the legal niceties to go through and an official announcement 'early next week'.
Do they all stop at 5pm on a Friday?
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According to Ian Winter on Midlands Today just the legal niceties to go through and an official announcement 'early next week'.
Do they all stop at 5pm on a Friday?
no, but they are on time an half after 5
they are probably trying to drag it out over Bank Holiday to get double time, greedy bastards
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...and a day in lieue.
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What all day?
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Greeting from Toronto. I was hoping that by the time I got here, things would be sorted.
Oh well, I guess that we can wait until Wednesday if it saves on solicitors fees.
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I hope they announce it soon.
I might well take a day off work on Monday.
Perhaps the whole nation could join with me in celebration....! ;-)
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I am going to take Monday and Tuesday off work to celebrate Lambert's appointment!
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Greeting from Toronto. I was hoping that by the time I got here, things would be sorted.
Oh well, I guess that we can wait until Wednesday if it saves on solicitors fees.
What are you doing here and for how long? I have some friends just arrive today and isn't the weather terrific?
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Greeting from Toronto. I was hoping that by the time I got here, things would be sorted.
Oh well, I guess that we can wait until Wednesday if it saves on solicitors fees.
What are you doing here and for how long? I have some friends just arrive today and isn't the weather terrific?
I think he's there to f**k your women and drink your beer.
Or watch baseball.
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Some of tomorrow's newspapers are reporting that the hold-up is because we think there is no compensation due since Norwich breached Lambert's contract by not granting him permission to talk to us.
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Some of tomorrow's newspapers are reporting that the hold-up is because we think there is no compensation due since Norwich breached Lambert's contract by not granting him permission to talk to us.
That#s partly true but a middle ground will be met I'm sure. Or has been met.
For my part I'm listening to Coverdale Page and having a whiskey or three and enjoying the thought that we'e back on the road to good times.
Cheers! *raises glass*. I love all my Villa bretheren. I'm half cut and feeling the love.
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Some of tomorrow's newspapers are reporting that the hold-up is because we think there is no compensation due since Norwich breached Lambert's contract by not granting him permission to talk to us.
Good.
Fuck them, if it saves us money and is their fault, I am all for it.
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If you fancy a laugh at some bitterness and delusion, check this place out:
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/mobile-board.php
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Some of tomorrow's newspapers are reporting that the hold-up is because we think there is no compensation due since Norwich breached Lambert's contract by not granting him permission to talk to us.
Hopefully we tell them bollocks if they want compo.
We shouldn’t have really paid the scum anything last season but I think we did to shut them up before it became ridiculous like most other things they are involved in.
Lambert resigned and the only reason the they rejected it is because they want the pay off.
In the end we’ll most likely end up paying out for our new manager (paying loads to and for managers seems to be what we do best), I just hope we don’t let Norwich take us for mugs like the noses
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If you fancy a laugh at some bitterness and delusion, check this place out:
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/mobile-board.php
What is it with Norwich and crap message boards?
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Wednesday then.
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If you fancy a laugh at some bitterness and delusion, check this place out:
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/mobile-board.php
I love the "let him fuck off if he doesnt want to be part of the big NCFC family" yes what a big family they are with a very small gene pool. me old mucker
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If you fancy a laugh at some bitterness and delusion, check this place out:
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/mobile-board.php
I love the "let him fuck off if he doesnt want to be part of the big NCFC family" yes what a big family they are with a very small gene pool. me old mucker
There is only so much a man can do with player's with web toe's.
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If you fancy a laugh at some bitterness and delusion, check this place out:
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/mobile-board.php
I love the "let him fuck off if he doesnt want to be part of the big NCFC family" yes what a big family they are with a very small gene pool. me old mucker
I prefer this bit in the same post "anyone who does not want to play or manage our fantastic club should just f**k off. Holt and Lambert are greedy mercenary bastards."
I wonder if the poster has any sympathy for Shrewsbury or Colchester?
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If you fancy a laugh at some bitterness and delusion, check this place out:
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/mobile-board.php
I love the "let him fuck off if he doesnt want to be part of the big NCFC family" yes what a big family they are with a very small gene pool. me old mucker
I prefer this bit in the same post "anyone who does not want to play or manage our fantastic club should just f**k off. Holt and Lambert are greedy mercenary bastards."
I wonder if the poster has any sympathy for Shrewsbury or Colchester?
short memories but exactly, its the way it is and if we lose him to a bigger club so be it we cant moan it will mean he has done a bloody good job
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In 3 years time if he is going to a bigger job, it will 1. mean he has cut down his options to at the most 4-6 clubs, and will have done a bloody good job here and mean we can get someone of good calibre to replace him. Hopefully though, he will stay 5-6 years and give us that stability.
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If he's so good as to get to the next level then we will have our best spell as a club in who knows how many years. And even the competition at the very top is fierce. Moyes has stayed at Everton for 10 years because the biggest jobs have come up and he hasn't been considered. At the very top of the game you get picked, you don't apply.
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In 3 years time if he is going to a bigger job, it will 1. mean he has cut down his options to at the most 4-6 clubs, and will have done a bloody good job here and mean we can get someone of good calibre to replace him. Hopefully though, he will stay 5-6 years and give us that stability.
That's how I feel, Heard a lot of people on different radio call in's and people at work saying that Lambert is to good for us, that we are not a step up and that he'll use us to get to the next level.
To get to the next level and get a job such as Arsenal, Chelsea or Manure then he would have to do something amazing with us first over a 4-5 year period and if he does do those things such as getting champions league football and winning a cup or 2 then I personally would have a grudge if he moved on. I felt the same about Solskjear when people said he would leave us after a couple of years to go to Manure, I wouldn't have had a problem with that because it would of meant that he had worked wonders with us first.
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If he's so good as to get to the next level then we will have our best spell as a club in who knows how many years. And even the competition at the very top is fierce. Moyes has stayed at Everton for 10 years because the biggest jobs have come up and he hasn't been considered. At the very top of the game you get picked, you don't apply.
And to get picked, you have to do amazingly well, or have a club that have fallen from grace. Look at Rodgers, he has got one in front of Lambert because of the way he plays the game, Lambert has to prove himself in the upper echelons before he will get one of the top 4-6 clubs. Chelsea will always go exotic and big name, so will Man City, Man United will time Fergie going with Mourinho being ready to come in I am sure, and no one has a clue how Arsenal might go, but I would wager someone with CL experience and proven record. Leaving Spurs and Liverpool in that next bracket, but I honestly think if he has been successful enough to be considered for the above, we will be pretty close to the 4-6th place clubs anyhow and he won't need to go.
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If he's so good as to get to the next level then we will have our best spell as a club in who knows how many years. And even the competition at the very top is fierce. Moyes has stayed at Everton for 10 years because the biggest jobs have come up and he hasn't been considered. At the very top of the game you get picked, you don't apply.
And to get picked, you have to do amazingly well, or have a club that have fallen from grace. Look at Rodgers, he has got one in front of Lambert because of the way he plays the game, Lambert has to prove himself in the upper echelons before he will get one of the top 4-6 clubs. Chelsea will always go exotic and big name, so will Man City, Man United will time Fergie going with Mourinho being ready to come in I am sure, and no one has a clue how Arsenal might go, but I would wager someone with CL experience and proven record. Leaving Spurs and Liverpool in that next bracket, but I honestly think if he has been successful enough to be considered for the above, we will be pretty close to the 4-6th place clubs anyhow and he won't need to go.
Correct. If he's done that well then we'll be in that top 5 or 6 club conversation anyway. What might tempt him down the road is a stint in a foreign league like Germany. I get the impression that he'd be broad minded enough to try that. Still, that's a long way off and there is really no point thinking that far ahead. Appointments or transfers should never be made with the fear that if successful the player or manager might leave.
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In 3 years time if he is going to a bigger job, it will 1. mean he has cut down his options to at the most 4-6 clubs, and will have done a bloody good job here and mean we can get someone of good calibre to replace him. Hopefully though, he will stay 5-6 years and give us that stability.
That's how I feel, Heard a lot of people on different radio call in's and people at work saying that Lambert is to good for us, that we are not a step up and that he'll use us to get to the next level.
To get to the next level and get a job such as Arsenal, Chelsea or Manure then he would have to do something amazing with us first over a 4-5 year period and if he does do those things such as getting champions league football and winning a cup or 2 then I personally would have a grudge if he moved on. I felt the same about Solskjear when people said he would leave us after a couple of years to go to Manure, I wouldn't have had a problem with that because it would of meant that he had worked wonders with us first.
I look forward to seeing such displays of balanced rationality when he walks out on us to take over from fergie . . . Worth keeping this thread for posterity!!
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All that profit made on pwning Liverpool for Downing was flushed down the bogs in compo for O'Neill, Houllier and Fookin'Eck (aquiring him and paying him off!) so it would be nice if our transfer kitty was unaffected by what it takes to get our man.
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If you fancy a laugh at some bitterness and delusion, check this place out:
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/mobile-board.php
What is it with Norwich and crap message boards?
That made my eyes hurt!
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If you fancy a laugh at some bitterness and delusion, check this place out:
http://www.wrathofthebarclay.co.uk/interactive/board/mobile-board.php
What is it with Norwich and crap message boards?
You are obviously young. Message boards in the 80's were exactly like that one!
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If Lambert comes, We should not buy Holt, he is a MON type signing, old, high cost, high wages and no resale value.
If we want to progress and not end up in our current mess again we need to stay away from Holt, as good a player as he is.
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He did have a great season and could be a foil for bent. Though I'm rather hoping we develop a more sophisticated gameplan.
I'd probably rather go for fetcher or pogbreynak though if we did want a target man
Really not sure about the centre midfield position, other than we desperately need someone good, solid, energetic and decent on the ball. Awry from Guthrie, frinpong and diame, I'm short of ideas so perhaps worth looking abroad? There are a few decent French defensive midfielders. Perhaps makoun will come good.
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Lambert has a reputation for bringing players up from the lower leagues, not spending over the top on ageing talent. Just because he had Holt at Norwich wouldn't mean he will want him at VP, Holt was brought in for a small fee to do a job. Ignore the lazy journalists who are filling space by running the most obvious story they can think up. Holt is looking for a payday before retirement, let the porn barons have him. Hopefully Lambert will bring Ruddy and Hoolahan and any of the youngsters who were up and coming... Andrew Surman and Johnny Howson from memory.
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I think we could do with 2 new CM's in truth. I'd like to think Makoun will come good given the chance. So if he stays on then perhaps one decent signing to replace Stan will do.
Perhaps this season Bannan and Delph might come good. I doubt it though. I think GG will do well, as long as we don't play him wide.
We may need a decent new winger too. Personally I'd sell N'Zogbia and buy someone more reliable. Alby deserves another shot.
Fletcher I wouldn't want. Pog is quite decent so wouldn't mind that. Ideal world we'd get Ba but I think if he leaves the Toon, it'll be to a bigger club. Because of his release clause, someone will get a bargain and I think it may be Chelsea or Arsenal.
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Lambert has a reputation for bringing players up from the lower leagues, not spending over the top on ageing talent. Just because he had Holt at Norwich wouldn't mean he will want him at VP, Holt was brought in for a small fee to do a job. Ignore the lazy journalists who are filling space by running the most obvious story they can think up. Holt is looking for a payday before retirement, let the porn barons have him. Hopefully Lambert will bring Ruddy and Hoolahan and any of the youngsters who were up and coming... Andrew Surman and Johnny Howson from memory.
Why on gods earth would he want to bring Ruddy? Goalkeeper is the least of our worries. Lambert isnt a done deal yet but
hopefully it will happen this morning.
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I'd suggest that Ruddy has the potential to become an excellent keeper. Given whilst a good shot stopper does not fill me with confidence coming off the line. Also he is injury prone, without Guzan who would you put in the sticks next time Given gets crocked? And on half the wages or less than Given is getting. Any other reasons you want?
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I'd suggest that Ruddy has the potential to become an excellent keeper. Given whilst a good shot stopper does not fill me with confidence coming off the line. Also he is injury prone, without Guzan who would you put in the sticks next time Given gets crocked? And on half the wages or less than Given is getting. Any other reasons you want?
Possibly, if he doesn't mind starting from the bench, and after we've sorted defence and midfield.
Given I still rate higher and his experience is invaluable. I'd like to see how Ruddy handles his 2nd prem season before buying him. Given isn't as injury prone as people seem to think, I know he's no Friedel in that regard but he still played most of the games last season. I'd rather get in a decent number 2, who's young and willing to learn from one of the best in the business.
Shays performances kept us up too. He saved our skin a hell of a lot more than he may have made an error.
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You'd question whether first team goalie is going to be a big priority for the new manager.
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I agree with Dr Gonzo (maybe not about Ruddy, though who knows, I'm not about to pass judgement on him as I haven't seen him play enough).
Lambert didn't actually sign Holt for Norwich in the first place. He came in and made him captain and so on, but he didn't sign him. I'd like to think he's more imaginative than to sign a 31 year old, essentially lower leagues target man for a club whose fewest problems are up front.
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Let's just hope he brings Culverhouse and Kaylsa with him before we start worrying about players! I'm sure we'll end up paying compo too, the press are just trying to make us look smalltime as usual, fuck 'em!
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If Lambert comes, We should not buy Holt, he is a MON type signing, old, high cost, high wages and no resale value.
If we want to progress and not end up in our current mess again we need to stay away from Holt, as good a player as he is.
I think Holt is exactly the type of player we need. Big, built like a brick shit house and scores goals. I believe he could work well alongside Bent.
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I think someone young and talented like Samir Carruthers might really be allowed to realise his potential under a manager like Lambert. I'm excited by what I've seen of his natural talent. By the same token he might get Bannan and Gardner and Weimann playing to their strengths and developing into exciting talents too. Let's hope. At least it's something to look forward to.
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Meaning Evil and 5Live both saying today's the day.
Just a thought, when a new manager is unveiled they normally appear either wearing or holding the shirt of the club they have joined. Does this mean we may get a sneak preview of our new shirt at the press conference?
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Meaning Evil and 5Live both saying today's the day.
Just a thought, when a new manager is unveiled they normally appear either wearing or holding the shirt of the club they have joined. Does this mean we may get a sneak preview of our new shirt at the press conference?
No, no chance. It will be a scarf or last years shirt. Most likely a scarf.
An outside bet might be some claret and blue Elton John style oversized glasses
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I think someone young and talented like Samir Carruthers might really be allowed to realise his potential under a manager like Lambert. I'm excited by what I've seen of his natural talent. By the same token he might get Bannan and Gardner and Weimann playing to their strengths and developing into exciting talents too. Let's hope. At least it's something to look forward to.
If we rely on these kids next season, it's the same struggle again. Most of these players aren't ready or potentially good enough. We need to sign at least 3 experienced players IMO. Give some of the kids a run out when we are 2 nil up with 10-15 mins left.
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Meaning Evil and 5Live both saying today's the day.
Just a thought, when a new manager is unveiled they normally appear either wearing or holding the shirt of the club they have joined. Does this mean we may get a sneak preview of our new shirt at the press conference?
No, no chance. It will be a scarf or last years shirt. Most likely a scarf.
An outside bet might be some claret and blue Elton John style oversized glasses
Don't be daft. He'll be pictured holding an Aston Villa teapot.
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Meaning Evil and 5Live both saying today's the day.
Just a thought, when a new manager is unveiled they normally appear either wearing or holding the shirt of the club they have joined. Does this mean we may get a sneak preview of our new shirt at the press conference?
No, no chance. It will be a scarf or last years shirt. Most likely a scarf.
An outside bet might be some claret and blue Elton John style oversized glasses
Don't be daft. He'll be pictured holding an Aston Villa teapot.
Ooh, can I have one please?
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I think being introduced at the press conference wearing this would demonstrate the requisite amount of vibrancy.
(http://www.astonvilladirect.com/product_images/maxzoom/prd_maxzoom_villa-90924_1.jpg)
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I think someone young and talented like Samir Carruthers might really be allowed to realise his potential under a manager like Lambert. I'm excited by what I've seen of his natural talent. By the same token he might get Bannan and Gardner and Weimann playing to their strengths and developing into exciting talents too. Let's hope. At least it's something to look forward to.
If we rely on these kids next season, it's the same struggle again. Most of these players aren't ready or potentially good enough. We need to sign at least 3 experienced players IMO. Give some of the kids a run out when we are 2 nil up with 10-15 mins left.
Carruthers, Gardner and Wiemann are definitely good enough, and ready. But they should be conplimenting quality and experience rather than being relied upon.
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Just been confirmed on twitter and OS, welcome to B6 Mr Lambert!
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This is good news.
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3 year deal too, none of this rolling contract business.
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Good stuff. Well done Villa.
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"The Board of Aston Villa are delighted to confirm that Paul Lambert has been appointed Villa manager."
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Welcome aboard, Paul.
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Done deal!
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2794149,00.html
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Get in! Welcome Paul, now lead us to glory.
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I would assume Bert is waiting for Ian and Gaz to agree their deals. Doubt we will hear until Wednesday now.
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Happy summer everyone...
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Yay. Welcome Paul, we're all behind you.
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Yay. Welcome Paul, we're all behind you.
Seconded.
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I would assume Bert is waiting for Ian and Gaz to agree their deals. Doubt we will hear until Wednesday now.
Most stupid looking post of the year award!
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Best result, get in!
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Welcome to Aston Villa Bert.
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Good work, Randy. Now back him.
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Do we know if we've hired the coaches as well?
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Welcome, Mr. Tickle.
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Excellent news! welcome!
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Welcome Paul, good luck.
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Welcome - great news - good luck - all behind you.
UTV
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Welcome to Villa Park NVM. May the good times roll!
I'm also going to go on record and say i'm not 100% convinced by him, but I hope i'm so wrong and regardless, he's a million times better than OVM!
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Well done RL and PF. Welcome Paul to the original greatest club in the world!
Now, if anything's been learnt from the MON years, please let's have a long term, financially sharp plan that gets the club challenging and competing for silverware in the years ahead. If PL is successful, make sure a plan is up and running that allows the club to grow again, meeting the fans' and PL's ambitions at every stage. If this appointment works to its full potential he should never want to move on to another club to "further" his career.
Up The Villa!!
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Welcome...
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Good choice IMO, so well done to Randy and PF.
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Excellent news! Well done to all concerned, and a huge welcome to Lambert!
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He was stuck with Delia Smith,
and now he's in B6!
Paul Lambert! oh oh oh!
Paul Lambert! oh oh oh!
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Do we know if we've hired the coaches as well?
The bloke on SSN thinks Culverhouse coming.
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The Lion will roar again.
'Paul Lembert's claret and blue army'
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Great news , welcome Paul, hopefully we have something of a graham taylor, brian little era
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Do we know if we've hired the coaches as well?
The bloke on SSN thinks Culverhouse coming.
Good let's hope so, he sounds very important.
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Chuffed with this appointment. He was my preferred choice and I'm sure his style of football will strike a chord with the fans.
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Welcome to Aston Villa Paul.
He was always the No 1 choice in my eyes and we've got him. Well done Randy too.
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Always my top choice, even throughout OGS fever. Welcome with open arms big man.
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Welcome, Bert. A very important appointment that will see us back on the right track.
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Bit better than last year isn't it?!
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Nice one. Welcome Paul, I'm glad I renewed my season ticket now.
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Welcome to the Villa Paul, really looking forward to hopefully seeing the club move forward with you. Needs to be a building process, it won't happen overnight, and hopefully the board understand this and will give backing, not in a silly over the top investments, but with well selected purchases, utilising the youth set up to bring the talent on and hopefully through into the first team.
This is the first time for quite a few years that I genuinely feel excited about what will happen at the villa.
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Great news; welcome Mr Tickle.
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Welcome aboard Paul. After a couple of years of dodgy appointments,the board must be congratulated on a job well done.
I'm sure he'll be able to sort the squad out,and build for the future. UTV.
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ITSOTP!! Thank the Gods! Let's hope for bigger and better things. The bad dreams have been banished by the rising sun. Welcome to VP, now make us smile =)
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After the horrendous mistake of appointing Mcleish , fantastic realisation of replacing him with an up and coming manager with a positive vision and well planned tactical strategy all in 18 days !!! Welcome Paul Lambert you are going to be our new legend .........
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He was my first choice (although Hughton would have been good as well) so i'm really pleased. I've got a good feeling about this one.
Welcome to VP Mr Lambert.
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So happy. So fucking happy.
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I can see clearly now Paul Lamberts come
I can see all obstacles in my way
Gone on a dark Mac that had me blind
Its gone be a bright, bright , bright sunshiney day
EVERYBODY .....
8)
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Always my top choice, even throughout OGS fever. Welcome with open arms big man.
Me too.
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Surely you cant be serious
yes and dont call me shirley
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Great news.
Now everybody needs to support him, from Randy down to the club staff, players and not least the fans.
We need a root and branch shake up to make this club great again. Never again just throw money at it but a gradual rebuild of something that is sustainable. I will give the manager and club time because with Paul Lambert, I believe we have a manager with great potential that can takes us forward. Next season is going to be one of transition but I would like to think we will finish in the top half.
UP THE VILLA.
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Renewed! Both optimism and season ticket. UTV!
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A manager we can all get behind. A kit launch in June where punters can actually buy the shirt. It's like the board actually listen to us sometimes.
We've already got the hang of singing "Paul Lambert's claret and blue army", now we can look forward to hearing it at a packed Villa Park.
Isn't it nice to look forward to a season again?
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Ace, welcome Paul.
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Pleased its sorted and happy with Lambert. As good a manager as we could expect.
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Now we need to get Culverhouse as well!
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If only they'd have appointed him two days ago I could've got my season ticket £10 cheaper!!! ;)
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I wonder how many Season Tickets will be sold on the back of this?
So happy, hangover has has subsided.
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Nice work Villa-finally!
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Pleased its sorted and happy with Lambert. As good a manager as we could expect.
This, just need Culverhouse now as well!
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"Villa Fans in Jubilant Optimism Shock!"
Welcome PL!
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Welcome PL and congratulations to the board for very smooth and swift action. Season ticket renewed (it was anyway) bring on next season!
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Fair play to the board. After letting us down in recent times, they acted quickly togetrid of he who shall not be named, and have gone about this in the right way. Great appointment and one that will unite us.
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Could someone post the statement from the OS on here please. The link doesn't work on my mobile.
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Could someone post the statement from the OS on here please. The link doesn't work on my mobile.
It just states his our manager
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Could someone post the statement from the OS on here please. The link doesn't work on my mobile.
"The Board of Aston Villa are delighted to confirm that Paul Lambert has been appointed Villa manager."
Impressive huh?
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Could someone post the statement from the OS on here please. The link doesn't work on my mobile.
Thanks Richard
It just states his our manager
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Could someone post the statement from the OS on here please. The link doesn't work on my mobile.
"The Board of Aston Villa are delighted to confirm that Paul Lambert has been appointed Villa manager."
Impressive huh?
Do you get the feeling the marketing team have all gone away for the long weekend?!
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I'd imagine they'll be drafting a longer version of the statement to present later.
Something like...
"The Board of Aston Villa are delighted to announce that Paul Lambert has been appointed Villa manager. Sausages."
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The typists off today so we get one wednesday
good news thou
welcome mr lambert welcome to the machine
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Man in his early 40s takes on Aston Villa as his 5th job in football management. Amongst his previous clubs where he enjoyed success was Norwich City.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Lambert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Saunders
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Brilliant news! Welcome aboard PL and well done Randy & Co, great appointment. I declare that the whole of the country shall celebrate for four days starting today! ;D
UTV!
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Welcome Paul.
A word of warning though if you see us as a stepping stone – the only manager ever to leave us for a bigger or better job turned into a turnip!
Good luck.
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Fantastic news. I think we got the best manager available. Well done Villa and welcome to Aston Villa Paul!
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Brilliant news! Welcome aboard PL and well done Randy & Co, great appointment. I declare that the whole of the country shall celebrate for four days starting today! ;D
UTV!
Camerons announced Tuesday is a bank holiday to welcome Mr P Lambert to Villa park
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What make this appointment especially sweet is the sense that Lambert seems to really want to manage us. I remember having a similar feeling the day MON was appointed. When you look at O'Leary and Houllier, it was just a job and they didn't get us. With McLeish he just didn't get how lucky he was to be villa manager and hadn't the capacity to raise his game at a bigger club.
Lambert has the hunger, ambition combined with a realisation that villa is a sleeping giant. This just seems like the right appointment.
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Great appointment...actually looking forward to the season now!!! Welcome Paul...make us great again...(well half decent for starteres at least)..
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Right, buttocks unclenched. Brilliant news. We can relax now and look forward to the summer and next season.
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He was my pick 12 months ago. I'm absolutely delighted we've got him and feel optimistic about the season to come.
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I am having a Great Day.
Woke up to find the wife horny as hell so...let's just say I didn't turn her down! ;)
Ambled downstairs and saw the door mat full of the dreaded brown envelopes. Feared the worst but opened one of them to find a cheque for 1200 quid from the taxman. Totally unexpected tax rebate!
Went to Franky & Benny's and had a Full English with their scrumptuous herb potatoes (yes, they're back by popular demand).
Checked H&V on my phone to find that we have appointed the new manager that will bring the vibrancy back to Aston Villa.
It was at that point that I realised...I am having a Great Day.
;D
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I am having a Great Day.
Woke up to find the wife horny as hell so...let's just say I didn't turn her down! ;)
Ambled downstairs and saw the door mat full of the dreaded brown envelopes. Feared the worst but opened one of them to find a cheque for 1200 quid from the taxman. Totally unexpected tax rebate!
Went to Franky & Benny's and had a Full English with their scrumptuous herb potatoes (yes, they're back by popular demand).
Checked H&V on my phone to find that we have appointed the new manager that will bring the vibrancy back to Aston Villa.
It was at that point that I realised...I am having a Great Day.
;D
Oh...my...god...the herby potatoes are back!!!!!!!!! Yes. I'll be going back to Frankie and Benny's then!
It has indeed been a great day. And sir, I also got some today. High five!
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What make this appointment especially sweet is the sense that Lambert seems to really want to manage us. I remember having a similar feeling the day MON was appointed. When you look at O'Leary and Houllier, it was just a job and they didn't get us. With McLeish he just didn't get how lucky he was to be villa manager and hadn't the capacity to raise his game at a bigger club.
Lambert has the hunger, ambition combined with a realisation that villa is a sleeping giant. This just seems like the right appointment.
Yep - agree with that totally IV. Really looking forward to the season - it's about time some of our players showed what they are capable of and this is the guy to make them do it. Really excited and just about to start some serious drinking!
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I am having a Great Day.
Woke up to find the wife horny as hell so...let's just say I didn't turn her down! ;)
Ambled downstairs and saw the door mat full of the dreaded brown envelopes. Feared the worst but opened one of them to find a cheque for 1200 quid from the taxman. Totally unexpected tax rebate!
Went to Franky & Benny's and had a Full English with their scrumptuous herb potatoes (yes, they're back by popular demand).
Checked H&V on my phone to find that we have appointed the new manager that will bring the vibrancy back to Aston Villa.
It was at that point that I realised...I am having a Great Day.
;D
Well done on the snotty cock and tax rebate, but you have my sympathy regarding Frankie and Bennys.
I'd sooner eat cold Pot Noodle than eat there.
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I have a very excited feeling inside that we're heading in the right direction again. Everyone at the club can now unite - I'm very happy with all of this.
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I am having a Great Day.
Woke up to find the wife horny as hell so...let's just say I didn't turn her down! ;)
Ambled downstairs and saw the door mat full of the dreaded brown envelopes. Feared the worst but opened one of them to find a cheque for 1200 quid from the taxman. Totally unexpected tax rebate!
Went to Franky & Benny's and had a Full English with their scrumptuous herb potatoes (yes, they're back by popular demand).
Checked H&V on my phone to find that we have appointed the new manager that will bring the vibrancy back to Aston Villa.
It was at that point that I realised...I am having a Great Day.
;D
Oh...my...god...the herby potatoes are back!!!!!!!!! Yes. I'll be going back to Frankie and Benny's then!
It has indeed been a great day. And sir, I also got some today. High five!
Back at ya Supertom!
Yeah, apparently they got lots of complaints when they took them off the menu a couple of months ago, so they've reinstated them. Happy days.
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I said when it looked like we were getting Solksjaer that I would prefer Lambert, he's exactly what we need. I just didn't understand the last two managerial appointments - you could just tell they were going to take us nowhere. I'm now looking forward to the season with expectation and optimism. Just hope he gets some money to spend because the squad needs totally revamped.
Welcome Paul.
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Great stuff. It is all good from here. Let's put the recent ugliness behind and progress unto the glories we deserve!
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I am having a Great Day.
Woke up to find the wife horny as hell so...let's just say I didn't turn her down! ;)
Ambled downstairs and saw the door mat full of the dreaded brown envelopes. Feared the worst but opened one of them to find a cheque for 1200 quid from the taxman. Totally unexpected tax rebate!
Went to Franky & Benny's and had a Full English with their scrumptuous herb potatoes (yes, they're back by popular demand).
Checked H&V on my phone to find that we have appointed the new manager that will bring the vibrancy back to Aston Villa.
It was at that point that I realised...I am having a Great Day.
;D
Well done on the snotty cock and tax rebate, but you have my sympathy regarding Frankie and Bennys.
I'd sooner eat cold Pot Noodle than eat there.
Agreed can't stand Frankie and Bennys!
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Ray Houghton talking reasonably well about us on Sky Sports.
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Fuck's sake Tom. Too much info.
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I am having a Great Day.
Woke up to find the wife horny as hell so...let's just say I didn't turn her down! ;)
Ambled downstairs and saw the door mat full of the dreaded brown envelopes. Feared the worst but opened one of them to find a cheque for 1200 quid from the taxman. Totally unexpected tax rebate!
Went to Franky & Benny's and had a Full English with their scrumptuous herb potatoes (yes, they're back by popular demand).
Checked H&V on my phone to find that we have appointed the new manager that will bring the vibrancy back to Aston Villa.
It was at that point that I realised...I am having a Great Day.
;D
Well done on the snotty cock and tax rebate, but you have my sympathy regarding Frankie and Bennys.
I'd sooner eat cold Pot Noodle than eat there.
Me & the wife are like some sort of sad F&B Groupies. We've been to about six differnet ones.
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Fuck's sake Tom. Too much info.
Sorry bruv!! :-X
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Fuck's sake Tom. Too much info.
Sorry bruv!! :-X
He's only jealous.
Doubtless he hasn't been on the nest for a few weeks and his bollocks are like Space Hoppers.
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Happy with this appointment and I'm glad I renewed a coupld of weeks back.
It seems to have been handled well by Randy Lerner and co, despite suggestions on here they hadn't got a clue.
Looking forward to watching our players going into game trying to and believing they can win.
Roll on next season!
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Camerons announced Tuesday is a bank holiday to welcome Mr P Lambert to Villa park
I didn't know that Ms Diaz had that power
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Fuck's sake Tom. Too much info.
Sorry bruv!! :-X
He's only jealous.
Doubtless he hasn't been on the nest for a few weeks and his bollocks are like Space Hoppers.
Like Wells Fargo mailbags. ;)
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Great news. Wasn't my first choice but I think he'll do a fantastic job for us. And a big well done to the board - less than 3 weeks ago TSM was still our manager and talking about plans for next season. In 19 days they've recognised the mistake they made, sacked TSM, and made a great new appointment in Lambert. For the first time in 2 years I feel the club and fans are back on the same side.
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Oh and credit to Randy and Faulkner for this, now back him please.
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Now that it's official, I'm obviously very happy and proud if this thread operated as a lucky charm to bring Lambert at VP! The 1st time that I talked about this dream was in Venice, in March 2011, with Rob Bishop Garry Thompson and Frank The Legend Pattison! Thay gazed at me as if I were an extraterrestrial as Norwich wer in championship whereas Villa had in charge an international manager as GH, but at the end the dream came true. . . ;)
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Mr Lambert. The last three managers showed this great club and fans dissrespect at various times during their time here. If you treat the history of this club with the respect it has earnt, then these fans will show you immense adulation. You have pretty much everyone behind and willing you nothing but immense success. It is great to have you at Aston Villa.
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I am having a Great Day.
Woke up to find the wife horny as hell so...let's just say I didn't turn her down! ;)
Ambled downstairs and saw the door mat full of the dreaded brown envelopes. Feared the worst but opened one of them to find a cheque for 1200 quid from the taxman. Totally unexpected tax rebate!
Went to Franky & Benny's and had a Full English with their scrumptuous herb potatoes (yes, they're back by popular demand).
Checked H&V on my phone to find that we have appointed the new manager that will bring the vibrancy back to Aston Villa.
It was at that point that I realised...I am having a Great Day.
;D
Well done on the snotty cock and tax rebate, but you have my sympathy regarding Frankie and Bennys.
I'd sooner eat cold Pot Noodle than eat there.
Me & the wife are like some sort of sad F&B Groupies. We've been to about six differnet ones.
And did you notice how 'different' they all were?
Oh, and welcome Paul Lambert. I have the feeling you'll be just the breath of fresh air our great club so desperately needs.
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Fantastic news. Welcome Paul.
This is the most optimistic appointment in my time since Brian was appointed. Fills me with hope. Season tickets will be renewed in the next hour or so.
And yes I did place £10 when he was 10/1 at Paddypower on the day OGS was going to say yes!
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Good appointment. A sensible choice.
The manager has an impressive recent record and combined with decent backing that should see us improving steadily next season. Top priority should be to sort out the midfield and keep Bent, and nurturing Weimann as a decent back-up. We'll still have a shabby defence, but with more steel in midfield and a setup to create chances for Bent, upper mid-table should be within reach. As the season progresses, Bert should start planning the rebuilding of the defence next summer when Collins, Dunne and Warnock leave on free transfers.
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Now that it's official, I'm obviously very happy and proud if this thread operated as a lucky charm to bring Lambert at VP! The 1st time that I talked about this dream was in Venice, in March 2011, with Rob Bishop Garry Thompson and Frank The Legend Pattison! Thay gazed at me as if I were an extraterrestrial as Norwich wer in championship whereas Villa had in charge an international manager as GH, but at the end the dream came true. . . ;)
I trust your footballing judgement, Archie, so you have significantly improved my outlook on this appointment!
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Very happy with this appointment, was my first choice all along.
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More good news..Culverhouse is joining us.
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Man in his early 40s takes on Aston Villa as his 5th job in football management. Amongst his previous clubs where he enjoyed success was Norwich City.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Lambert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Saunders
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/PaulLambert.jpg/160px-PaulLambert.jpg)(http://www.midlandsmemorabilia.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/ron-saunders-aston-villa-manager-press-photo.jpg)
Yes... and like Ron Saunders ready to bring a new era of action packed football to Villa Park, with goals galore! Welcome Paul Labert!
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I thought he was Scottish, not French?
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BTW if anyone wants a Bank Holiday smile they should read the 3rd post on this thread!
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This one?
Until Randy Lerner and his useless work men leave this club, then we will never see a good manager at this club again. Firstly, I'd doubt they would even sack McLeish if he finished us 17th because they're too arrogant to admit they made the wrong choice. Plus it would be absoutely pathetic we paid compensation to get rid of Houllier to make way for McLeish who we had to pay for only to sack him with more money down the drain where we could have bought 2-3 quality players. And even by some miracle our shit manager does fuck off, the board will hire probably someone even worse.
I agree Paul Lambert would have been a very fine choice. But the board have wet dreams about Premier League experience so he was never gonna come here. Instead, they would prefer to have a safe man with has 2 Premier League relegations on his C.V. As long he has the 'experience'.
Another good one would be Gus Poyet. Some who's young and knows the modern game. Not the stale useless scotsman we have now.
So yeah, the only we can start a fresh is to get rid of the board. Until then, it's gonna get worse.
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Culverhouse here is top job.
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Also, it is nice to see a reference on the OS from someone likee Hitzfeld rather than, I dunno, Kris Boyd or someone.
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Good news, I will be celebrating tonight with bottles of Lambrini with each sip exciting me about the season to come.
Nor really, Peroni will be my tipple.
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What a way to start the long weekend who cares about the Jubilee, I'm celebrating hopefully the new King of Aston Villa!
Cant wait to get back down to Villa Park now, glad I renewed the Day McLeish was sacked.
It will be nice just to have an expectation of Competing
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Welcome aboard Paul Lambert.
Even though you're younger than me, I'll resist the temptation to pat you on the head and talk about the old days (Mainly because I suspect you'd remove my legs from under me, before I was half way through the first sentence).
You'll have heard all kinds of garbage about Villa supporters, truth is we're no different to any other lot really. We think you are the luckiest man in the world, because you now manage the most beautifully named football club in the world, but that won't stop us being one hundred percent behind you from the start and not just because you aren't the last bloke. We think and we hope you'll give us a team that will try, that will walk off the pitch knackered because they've given it all and that scores goals and that's really all we ask in truth.
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Now I can finally relax and look forward to the Euro's, well done board.
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I wonder how long it will be before we see Nash? I assume a while because today represents really good news.
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I am having a Great Day.
Woke up to find the wife horny as hell so...let's just say I didn't turn her down! ;)
Ambled downstairs and saw the door mat full of the dreaded brown envelopes. Feared the worst but opened one of them to find a cheque for 1200 quid from the taxman. Totally unexpected tax rebate!
Went to Franky & Benny's and had a Full English with their scrumptuous herb potatoes (yes, they're back by popular demand).
Checked H&V on my phone to find that we have appointed the new manager that will bring the vibrancy back to Aston Villa.
It was at that point that I realised...I am having a Great Day.
;D
go buy a lottery ticket ;)
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Thank you God.
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anyone here not delighted...?
then cast your mind back just 4 weeks...
good news, i reckon...
"onwards & upwards..."
:)
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All together now....
Any time down Villa Park,
Any evening, any day,
You'll find us all
Doin' the Lambert Walk. Oi!
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I really hope that our season ticket sales now go through the roof. TSM has gone and the bloke (pre-OGS) that most of us wanted, and is on reflection the most complete decision of everyone linked with us, has been installed. I cannot wait to hear his first press conference next week and to see how he starts to shake things up this summer. It will be a very exciting summer ahead.
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Won't get chance now until Wednesday, but i'll be there to buy a season ticket. Well done Randy, now please give the guy half a chance by helping him in the transfer market. I hope to see a long term vision for the club, buying, hungry, ambitious, determined players who see it as a fantastic privilege to play for and wear the beautiful colours of Aston Villa and not money crazed wasters here for a pay day.
Good luck Paul Lambert and welcome.
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I am having a Great Day.
Woke up to find the wife horny as hell so...let's just say I didn't turn her down! ;)
Ambled downstairs and saw the door mat full of the dreaded brown envelopes. Feared the worst but opened one of them to find a cheque for 1200 quid from the taxman. Totally unexpected tax rebate!
Went to Franky & Benny's and had a Full English with their scrumptuous herb potatoes (yes, they're back by popular demand).
Checked H&V on my phone to find that we have appointed the new manager that will bring the vibrancy back to Aston Villa.
It was at that point that I realised...I am having a Great Day.
;D
Woah woah woah, forget the sex, cash and Lambert. The herb potatoes are back? YES. Winner winner.
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Welcome Paul Lambert. Ive got the bloke I wanted.
So for you Paul Lambert....Opportunity knocks.
and I mean that most sincerely.
Out of the frying pan.....into the red hot cauldron of Villa Park.
God I bet a few of our lot are shaking in their boots!
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Welcome Paul Lambert. Ive got the bloke I wanted.
New manager and new boyfriend in one day? Great day for you.
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I am having a Great Day.
Woke up to find the wife horny as hell so...let's just say I didn't turn her down! ;)
Ambled downstairs and saw the door mat full of the dreaded brown envelopes. Feared the worst but opened one of them to find a cheque for 1200 quid from the taxman. Totally unexpected tax rebate!
Went to Franky & Benny's and had a Full English with their scrumptuous herb potatoes (yes, they're back by popular demand).
Checked H&V on my phone to find that we have appointed the new manager that will bring the vibrancy back to Aston Villa.
It was at that point that I realised...I am having a Great Day.
;D
Woah woah woah, forget the sex, cash and Lambert. The herb potatoes are back? YES. Winner winner.
I bet he needed the spuds after all his exertions.
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I like the way this had been announced. I'm sure there will be a press conference, but everything seems rather low key.
Let the Scousers have the spotlight, while we get on with the business.
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The only thing I could think of, with Lambert becoming a lion.
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From the Norwich statement
"Some media reports are suggesting we have agreed compensation for Paul's services with Aston Villa, however this is not the case. We will continue to discuss this matter privately with Aston Villa."
Interesting. I heard someone say today they'd breached a clause in his contract by not letting him talk to us.
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Any news on Karsa and Culverhouse?
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A good appointment. The right man. Time to get behind the manager.
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Happy days!!!!
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Unlike mazrimsbruv I'm having a shit day. My hard drive went kaput at lunchtime so I dashed up to PC World at Selly Oak only to discover they hadn't got what I want. So a new one will have to wait until Wednesday. I'm now running my PC off a live DVD and it's running slower than Richard Dunne.
Anyway balls to all that and welcome to the fold Paul Lambert. Now I'm off to The White Horse for a jar or four and to wind up a few Baggies and Noses.
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Over the moon with PCL
I think this guy will be very good for us , now off to get my winners from him becoming manager .
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Unlike mazrimsbruv I'm having a shit day. My hard drive went kaput at lunchtime so I dashed up to PC World at Selly Oak only to discover they hadn't got what I want. So a new one will have to wait until Wednesday. I'm now running my PC off a live DVD and it's running slower than Richard Dunne.
Anyway balls to all that and welcome to the fold Paul Lambert. Now I'm off to The White Horse for a jar or four and to wind up a few Baggies and Noses.
If it makes you feel any better I've just had a parking ticket for unknowingly parking in a very poorly marked Disabled spot.
Still a great day though.
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I'm on the piss in Ireland and may just have to down a extra one in celebration.
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Also, it is nice to see a reference on the OS from someone likee Hitzfeld rather than, I dunno, Kris Boyd or someone.
Fergie you mean ;)
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Great news, welcome to villa , paul- i really hooe and believe this will be the start of a great new era and look forward to the lambert years.
Well done randy, this time you have got the right man and lets all get behind him and enjoy the ride- happy day indeed!
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Great news, welcome to villa , paul- i really hope and believe this will be the start of a great new era and look forward to the lambert years.
Well done randy, this time you have got the right man and lets all get behind him and enjoy the ride- happy day indeed!
This goes for me as well. Welcome, Paul!
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Also, it is nice to see a reference on the OS from someone likee Hitzfeld rather than, I dunno, Kris Boyd or someone.
Fergie you mean ;)
Even worse! Someone none-too-bright with a wrong opinion? Bad enough. Fergie patronising us to death for one of his old mates? I can't think of much more damning.
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Welcome Paul, the man I've wanted from the start. :)
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Been gardening all day, just come in, excellent news, need to catch the 5pm SSN to revel in the glory of our good news, great to be able to look forward to things again hopefully
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Any news on Karsa and Culverhouse?
'Sky Sports sources understand that he has put pen to paper on a three-year contract and will bring his assistant manager Ian Culverhouse with him from Carrow Road.' Probably nothing official until next week but reading the Norwich forums, they all reluctantly accept he's gone.
Karsa is his brother-in-law so you can expect to see him too at B6 early next week.
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Any news on Karsa and Culverhouse?
'Sky Sports sources understand that he has put pen to paper on a three-year contract and will bring his assistant manager Ian Culverhouse with him from Carrow Road.' Probably nothing official until next week but reading the Norwich forums, they all reluctantly accept he's gone.
Karsa is his brother-in-law so you can expect to see him too at B6 early next week.
I think it's really important Culverhouse joins as well, hopefully he has.
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Just got back off hols to this news, good stuff. Any info on if were paying any compensation? Last I heard he'd walked out on Norwich due to them going back on a clause and I gave up trying to understand the way football finances work a long time ago.
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Any news on Karsa and Culverhouse?
'Sky Sports sources understand that he has put pen to paper on a three-year contract and will bring his assistant manager Ian Culverhouse with him from Carrow Road.' Probably nothing official until next week but reading the Norwich forums, they all reluctantly accept he's gone.
Karsa is his brother-in-law so you can expect to see him too at B6 early next week.
The icing on the cake (if correct)... welcome to all!
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Just got back off hols to this news, good stuff. Any info on if were paying any compensation? Last I heard he'd walked out on Norwich due to them going back on a clause and I gave up trying to understand the way football finances work a long time ago.
Norwich saying talks are still going on regarding compensation. I don't know if this means we're negotiating fees for backroom staff or whether he activated a clause or what...
Either way, he's ours now and I don't think it will cost us as much as our recent managerial comings and goings!
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If it makes you feel any better I've just had a parking ticket for unknowingly parking in a very poorly marked Disabled spot.
Still a great day though.
take photos & appeal it. it MUST be clearly marked...
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This was just on twitter
Compensation package still to be agreed for Lambert's move to Aston Villa from Norwich
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Really good appointment and one I hope we can all get behind. Let him build the squad with some solid signings over the next couple of years. It's a safe appointment, an up and coming manager who will shake the players up. Well done to Randy for being ruthless. No compo either, fantastic!!
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,Hoping Lambert has his eye on a couple of young talented German players who will add a bit of technical play into our team. Also think having Holmann coming into the team under Lambert will be a big plus. Wow i am excited for the first time in ages ...........
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A very warm welcome Paul Lambert! :)
Well done Randy. You've made a fantastic appointment that the fans will get behind with full support...now please support your new manager with much needed activity in the transfer market.
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well weather or not we still have to agree compo he is officially our manager. comp will be paid and his staff will come with him im sure about that. the norwich website even thanks him again before saying they have been inundated with applications for the vacancy(mcleish, bruce, curbishly, macarthy) oh im happy the days of scratting around the bargain bins have gone and we have come up with a good manager i can lift my self imposed exile now tsm has gone also
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And so the storm clouds start to lift. Welcome Paul.
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I bet we get to play Norwich on the opening day when the fixtures come out.
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I bet we get to play Norwich on the opening day when the fixtures come out.
at there place with big eck becoming their new manager :P
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I bet we get to play Norwich on the opening day when the fixtures come out.
at there place with big eck becoming their new manager
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Bloody hell,just got back from work to find this out.Good news at last.
Norwich fans are a bit bitter though.Oh well,things will be ok when they get McLeish as their new boss!
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I bet we get to play Norwich on the opening day when the fixtures come out.
at there place with big eck becoming their new manager
Talk about rubbing their noses in it !
I think Lamberts appointment is a fantastic one for us. He was my preferred choice over the last few weeks.
I'm looking forward to the new season,unlike this time last year.
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Bloody hell,just got back from work to find this out.Good news at last.
Norwich fans are a bit bitter though.Oh well,things will be ok when they get McLeish as their new boss!
They were an awful lot less concerned when Lambert did the same to Colchester when he joined Norwich. He's a very ambitious man, and he'll do exactly the same to us, but that's football. They're a bunch of idiots if they thought he'd shaft Colchester and not do the same to them when he got the chance.
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I've been at a wedding all day, cracking news in the church I had a word with the big man for champions league, welcome to the best club in the world Paul, let's get behind him and get back where we belong. Now to get pissed :-)
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Thank God that this is all over.
Not my first choice to be honest - but now he's here I hope he not only improve our results but also our football.
Now ... on to the coming and going speculation...
We could be in for a few surprises.
UTV
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Welcome the the Villa, Paul.
Here's to a great 2012/13 season.
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He must be given 2 seasons, one "ok-ish" one and the second being a "movin' on up" one. Then a new, improved contract, and the money to boot.
He's a Fergie type appointment in my book.
There will be shit games and great games. Lets give him time and I think he'll be the right man.
Welcome Paul.
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Any news on when a press conference is held?
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Any news on when a press conference is held?
Probably Wednesday.
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Bloody hell,just got back from work to find this out.Good news at last.
Norwich fans are a bit bitter though.Oh well,things will be ok when they get McLeish as their new boss!
They were an awful lot less concerned when Lambert did the same to Colchester when he joined Norwich. He's a very ambitious man, and he'll do exactly the same to us, but that's football. They're a bunch of idiots if they thought he'd shaft Colchester and not do the same to them when he got the chance.
They poached him after just three games of the 2009-2010 season. He left Colchester on the morning of a midweek game. It doesn't really compare with asking for permission to speak to him at the end of May.
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Also, it is nice to see a reference on the OS from someone likee Hitzfeld rather than, I dunno, Kris Boyd or someone.
Fergie you mean ;)
Even worse! Someone none-too-bright with a wrong opinion? Bad enough. Fergie patronising us to death for one of his old mates? I can't think of much more damning.
You can forget your fucking guaranteed 6 points now red nose!!!
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Welcome Mr Lambert
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Talk seems to be that Norwich want Hughton as their manager so appointing Bertie could have the side effect of costing Blues their manager. Bonus.
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Man in his early 40s takes on Aston Villa as his 5th job in football management. Amongst his previous clubs where he enjoyed success was Norwich City.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Lambert
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Saunders
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Post of the year.
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I'm absolutely chuffed to bits could a mod very kindly change my name to LambAlways
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Paul, welcome to Villa.
My preferred choice from day one. Will bring stability, passion, discipline and hopefully a bit of excitment to VP again.
UTV
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I have a soft spot for Norwich, so I am disappointed they've lost a good manager but I'm absolutely delighted he's headed to Villa! This has the makings of a great appointment.
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Yeah, I've always liked Norwich too but it's business innit. Listening to him in an interview at Carrow Road on SSN the other evening he seemed to say he was happy and the speculation was just that. I suppose that's the difference between paper talk and an actual offer being made. And he'll probably drop us like a hot stone in 4 years after getting us Champions League and an FA Cup and fuckin' Spurs come calling. As long as we get success though.
I wonder if he sounded out MON about the job. In fairness to Woody Allen's errant, bastard offspring he did seem to show a bit of contrition about leaving Villa suddenly on the eve of the season in one of the interviews he gave around the time we played Sunderland in April and that Villa were still a huge club etc. He'd probably just tell Lambert not to take any shit from Faulkner.
Oh, and nowt to do with his management but when doing a search for him on youtube earlier, this peach of a goal by him in an Old Firm derby game popped up and it's well worth watching:
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Had a little Turkish Delight when I found out the news yesterday.
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Had a little Turkish Delight when I found out the news yesterday.
What was she called;-)
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Paul is following in the footsteps of the great man himself Ron Saunders. If he did what Sir Ron achieved in the next 10 years I guess we will be delighted.
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Paul is following in the footsteps of the great man himself Ron Saunders. If he did what Sir Ron achieved in the next 10 years I guess we will be delighted.
I agree.
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Had a little Turkish Delight when I found out the news yesterday.
Is that we call it these days, what's wrong wrong with Tommy Tank?
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Paul is following in the footsteps of the great man himself Ron Saunders. If he did what Sir Ron achieved in the next 10 years I guess we will be delighted.
I bet Greg would still be moaning
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Greg's still getting over the shock of us attracting the Norwich manager.
Another one to file with 'Scholes can't pass', 'Sturridge has nothing but pace', 'zonal marking is how you play the ball out from defence' and his prediction of 14th place for O'Neill's second season.
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Greg's still getting over the shock of us attracting the Norwich manager.
Another one to file with 'Scholes can't pass', 'Sturridge has nothing but pace', 'zonal marking is how you play the ball out from defence' and his prediction of 14th place for O'Neill's second season.
Quite a record that.
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Hasn't Lambert made any signings yet? What a shambles.
Lambert out.
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Looking forward to the press Conference on Wednesday. The ballroom staff should be sorted by then too
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Paul is following in the footsteps of the great man himself Ron Saunders. If he did what Sir Ron achieved in the next 10 years I guess we will be delighted.
I agree.
So do I.
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Hasn't Lambert made any signings yet? What a shambles.
Lambert out.
Quite right too. He's been in the job for twenty four hours and we haven't won anything. Time to get the bedsheets out.
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Looking forward to the press Conference on Wednesday. The ballroom staff should be sorted by then too
Yeah,I hear he's going for the couple from Hi de hi.
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Looking forward to the press Conference on Wednesday. The ballroom staff should be sorted by then too
Cracking image in my head now.
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Looking forward to the press Conference on Wednesday. The ballroom staff should be sorted by then too
Yeah,I hear he's going for the couple from Hi de hi.
Lol IPad auto type! Doh
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Paul is following in the footsteps of the great man himself Ron Saunders. If he did what Sir Ron achieved in the next 10 years I guess we will be delighted.
I agree.
So do I.
And me.
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So say all of us. Just imagine that .We can dream i suppose.
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Good
Genuinely excited about the start of the season now
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I reckon Craig Revel Horwood will work wonders with our footwork Ola Jordan can... well, she has very nice tits.
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Hasn't Lambert made any signings yet? What a shambles.
Lambert out.
It's like the days of MON all over again. It looks like we are gonna be glued to SSN on Aug 31st waiting until midnight to see if we sign anyone. Ridiculous .
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The ballroom staff should be sorted by then too
There may be trouble ahead....
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The ballroom staff should be sorted by then too
There may be trouble ahead....
Villa already linked with little known Spanish winger Paso Doble ;)
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The ballroom staff should be sorted by then too
There may be trouble ahead....
Villa already linked with little known Spanish winger Paso Doble ;)
Makes me smile.
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Welcome to Villa Mr Lambert.
And a nod to the board, who have not only kept their promise of appointing the fans choice, but also had the balls to admit to their fuck-up with McLeish and act accordingly.
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Love that ballroom post, haha! Hope we invest in a proper sprung dancefloor so we can have some Northern allnighters on it.
I'll get me talc.
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Love that ballroom post, haha! Hope we invest in a proper sprung dancefloor so we can have some Northern allnighters on it.
I'll get me talc.
Keep the Faith Percy
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Love that ballroom post, haha! Hope we invest in a proper sprung dancefloor so we can have some Northern allnighters on it.
I'll get me talc.
Glad the typo has caused amusement :-)
Seriously though, hope Lambert installs 'quick feet' into the players ;-)
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Is he still here? He's not gone to a bigger club yet?
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Keep the Faith Percy
Very good!
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Is he still here? He's not gone to a bigger club yet?
he is not mark Mcgee
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I'm absolutely chuffed to bits could a mod very kindly change my name to LambAlways
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I'm absolutely chuffed to bits could a mod very kindly change my name to LambAlways
have just tried to donate put my info in clicked on the amount and the whole lot disappeared so unsure if gone through or not Shall I put this on the GM thread
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Looking forward to the press Conference on Wednesday. The ballroom staff should be sorted by then too
Yeah,I hear he's going for the couple from Hi de hi.
Fuck that, if we can't attract the likes of Ken Railings and Tina Sparkle then it's a sad day for the club.
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Only just home after a couple of days celebrating my birthday, which was yesterday.
(No need for you all to thank me for the Bank holiday - quite happy to do it every year.)
Nice gift from Randy - even if I could have done with PL 12 months ago!
And my son sharpened up my Villa tattoo this afternoon.
With everything so beautifully timed and significant, I see good times ahead.
Just off for (another) pint of Batham's!
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Nice gift from Randy - even if I could have done with PL 12 months ago!
If only he had listened to me. . . ;)
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Alan Thompson has left Celtic............maybe he might join the coaching staff @ Villa
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Absolutely delighted, after the terrible ordeal with the TSM this is great news and the lift the club and the fans needed, I am off to Kos for 2 weeks tomorrow for a much needed holiday a few weeks back I thought I would be flying off with Villa in the championship but now I travel with renewed hope for the future, welcome to Villa park Paul we are all right behind you.
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Sorry to go off-topic but where are you stopping in Kos?
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Sorry to go off-topic but where are you stopping in Kos?
I am staying in the resort of Tingaki, stayed there once before and this is my fourth holiday in Kos.
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Sorry to go off-topic but where are you stopping in Kos?
I am staying in the resort of Tingaki, stayed there once before and this is my fourth holiday in Kos.
Try to take in Kefalos. Beautiful place. Now back on-topic or else I'll have to ban myself!
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Sorry to go off-topic but where are you stopping in Kos?
I am staying in the resort of Tingaki, stayed there once before and this is my fourth holiday in Kos.
Back on topic after this Legion, we have stayed twice in Kefalos and loved it, Yammas
Try to take in Kefalos. Beautiful place. Now back on-topic or else I'll have to ban myself!
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Stayed in Lambi. Kos is great.
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Alan Thompson has left Celtic. Number 2?
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Has Culverhouse and Karsa not left NCFC along with Lambert?
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Would imagine if he wanted to change the first team set up then he and Culverhouse would need more than just the 2 of them, Karsa seems more strategy than coaching.
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I've been moving house the last few days so great to see we have Lambert on board. Has he brought anyone in with him?
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Alan Thompson has left Celtic............maybe he might join the coaching staff @ Villa
Something strange has gone on there, he has released a statement through his lawyer saying how he was sacked with immediate effect following a telephone conversation with Lennon.
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Reading about Thompson on some Celtic forums, lots of people mentioning his love of the smell of the barmaid's apron.
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Not sure Thompsons departure from Celtic has any relevance. Everything I've heard suggests PL is poaching his trusted team from Delias lot.
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Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere. Today's Birmingham Mail reports that we don't have to pay Norwich any compensation. We and Lambert acted properly: LINK (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/06/04/aston-villa-paul-lambert-to-be-unveiled-as-manager-97319-31107278/)
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Sorry if this has been posted elsewhere. Today's Birmingham Mail reports that we don't have to pay Norwich any compensation. We and Lambert acted properly: LINK (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2012/06/04/aston-villa-paul-lambert-to-be-unveiled-as-manager-97319-31107278/)
And Norwich haven't acted that cleverly. It's clear we wanted him and would have paid compensation, but their not allowing him to speak to us has just made everything even better for us and worse for them. Fools.
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Yes it appears that Cheif Exec they all worship has been made to look a fool.
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Reading about Thompson on some Celtic forums, lots of people mentioning his love of the smell of the barmaid's apron.
If it's now a sacking offence in Scotland to be a pisshead, then the game is in trouble.
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Reading about Thompson on some Celtic forums, lots of people mentioning his love of the smell of the barmaid's apron.
If it's now a sacking offence in Scotland to be a pisshead, then the game is in trouble.
Based upon my recollection of his short career with us he looked half-cut in every game he played
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No Compo.
Ace: I fecking hate Last of the Summer wine.
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Presumably we still have to agree compensation for Culverhouse, Karsa and anyone else we're taking.
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If he's coming with Lambert what role does Karsa play? Is 'head of football operations' essentially the same as a DoF on the board, so effectively leaving Faulkner to look after commercial aspects while Karsa would deal with all footballing aspects/contracts etc?
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This is an interesting site with contract details of Norwich staff.
It would appear that Culverhouse's contract runs out on 30.06.12. Karsa's contract details has not been updated?
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/norwich-city/mitarbeiter/verein_1123.html
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A little insight on Lambert from a players perspective...
http://www.skysports.com/video/inline/0,,12606_7794853,00.html
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If he's coming with Lambert what role does Karsa play? Is 'head of football operations' essentially the same as a DoF on the board, so effectively leaving Faulkner to look after commercial aspects while Karsa would deal with all footballing aspects/contracts etc?
Karsa is a big secret at Norwich, but it is believed he does a lot of the players contractual stuff and is part of Lamberts decision making process on players to buy.
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If he's coming with Lambert what role does Karsa play? Is 'head of football operations' essentially the same as a DoF on the board, so effectively leaving Faulkner to look after commercial aspects while Karsa would deal with all footballing aspects/contracts etc?
Karsa is a big secret at Norwich, but it is believed he does a lot of the players contractual stuff and is part of Lamberts decision making process on players to buy.
I understand he carries Lambert's golf clubs, and wears a bowler hat with a razor-sharp rim that can be used as a weapon.
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that sounds like an Odd Job for a man in football
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If he's coming with Lambert what role does Karsa play? Is 'head of football operations' essentially the same as a DoF on the board, so effectively leaving Faulkner to look after commercial aspects while Karsa would deal with all footballing aspects/contracts etc?
Karsa is a big secret at Norwich, but it is believed he does a lot of the players contractual stuff and is part of Lamberts decision making process on players to buy.
It sounds like Lambert was a big fan of the movie 'Moneyball'.
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If he's coming with Lambert what role does Karsa play? Is 'head of football operations' essentially the same as a DoF on the board, so effectively leaving Faulkner to look after commercial aspects while Karsa would deal with all footballing aspects/contracts etc?
Kaysa seems to me more like 'Head Scout' than 'DoF' but maybe with more input in the actual contract sides of things. Hopefully, we will find out soon enough!
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If he's coming with Lambert what role does Karsa play? Is 'head of football operations' essentially the same as a DoF on the board, so effectively leaving Faulkner to look after commercial aspects while Karsa would deal with all footballing aspects/contracts etc?
Karsa is a big secret at Norwich, but it is believed he does a lot of the players contractual stuff and is part of Lamberts decision making process on players to buy.
It sounds like Lambert was a big fan of the movie 'Moneyball'.
If he was that would just make my day!
Edit: a quick Google shows that lots of people, Norwich fans and outsiders, have that same view: that Lambert seems to look objectively at the statistics and find out which ones are most important, then signs apparently unheralded players he knows what to do with. I have to say, the more I find about this man the more positive I am.
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Looking forward to following my team home and away next season (complete reversal ofhow I felt a couple of weeks ago)
Welcome to Villa Park Paul Lambert -
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If he's coming with Lambert what role does Karsa play? Is 'head of football operations' essentially the same as a DoF on the board, so effectively leaving Faulkner to look after commercial aspects while Karsa would deal with all footballing aspects/contracts etc?
Karsa is a big secret at Norwich, but it is believed he does a lot of the players contractual stuff and is part of Lamberts decision making process on players to buy.
It sounds like Lambert was a big fan of the movie 'Moneyball'.
If he was that would just make my day!
Edit: a quick Google shows that lots of people, Norwich fans and outsiders, have that same view: that Lambert seems to look objectively at the statistics and find out which ones are most important, then signs apparently unheralded players he knows what to do with. I have to say, the more I find about this man the more positive I am.
You know the irony of all of this "Moneyball" stuff? It's that John Henry, owner of the "mighty" Reds, who famously tried to hire Billy Bean from Oakland for Boston because of his obsession with the principles of Moneyball, then allowed Comolli/Dalglish to spend obnoxious amounts of money on average PL players and give them top wages. That completely flies in the face regarding everything the Moneyball principle is built on.
Clubs like us, that currently sit in the middle of the pack in terms of size/value/reputation/revenue etc need to find ways of finding the next big thing before they become the next big thing and then sell them off at their peak. As we get better or more successful that retain threshold changes regarding who we can keep and for how long, but right now we need to be astute in the market. We can still buy top players because they have proven performance metrics like Bent, but the design is to avoid paying over the top for average talent based on short term thinking or because they suddenly got hot. If Lambert is a true believer in this we should expect some players that we've not heard of to be arriving at B6 in the future and trust his judgement when it happens.
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Didn't we try the same trick with the blues but ended up paying them?
As for Kos, I think it is crap.
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So basically, Brad Pitt is our manager? Should get the swooning females back to the club who came and left with Daveeed Ginola. Honestly, looking into the crowd at Villa park will be like seeing into a Brazilian or Dutch crowd at a World Cup.
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Can't wait.
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Karsa i believe is lamberts brother in law and along with culverhouse plays an important role in his backroom team , i think they will soon get to grips with things and all 3 will be an asset to the club.
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You know the irony of all of this "Moneyball" stuff? It's that John Henry, owner of the "mighty" Reds, who famously tried to hire Billy Bean from Oakland for Boston because of his obsession with the principles of Moneyball, then allowed Comolli/Dalglish to spend obnoxious amounts of money on average PL players and give them top wages. That completely flies in the face regarding everything the Moneyball principle is built on.
Clubs like us, that currently sit in the middle of the pack in terms of size/value/reputation/revenue etc need to find ways of finding the next big thing before they become the next big thing and then sell them off at their peak. As we get better or more successful that retain threshold changes regarding who we can keep and for how long, but right now we need to be astute in the market. We can still buy top players because they have proven performance metrics like Bent, but the design is to avoid paying over the top for average talent based on short term thinking or because they suddenly got hot. If Lambert is a true believer in this we should expect some players that we've not heard of to be arriving at B6 in the future and trust his judgement when it happens.
I think there was a quote somewhere where Henry just said "yeah, we don't think it applies to football, so we're just making it up as we go along." I think Rodgers might be smarter than that, sadly, but it would be good to see us under the management of someone with more guile than that! As Beane himself said in an interview, football can use the techniques he's come up with - it's just about "finding the right metrics."
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it's just about "finding the right metrics."
isn't everything?
Baseball is a game of statistics though, while the most critical skill in football - I'd say - is the ability to take the correct position on the pitch. That's impossible to quantify objectively.
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it's just about "finding the right metrics."
isn't everything?
Baseball is a game of statistics though, while the most critical skill in football - I'd say - is the ability to take the correct position on the pitch. That's impossible to quantify objectively.
But not impossible to study objectively, and then quantify as, for example, number of times during a game, relative to possession, that a midfielder runs ahead of the ball, and then use other statistics to judge his effectiveness in doing so. Statistics are always useless and misleading in isolation - they need to bee tested against theories and other statistics to work. However, I'd say that something like finding the right positions can be turned into a statistic, and then quantified.
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I'm changing your username to Statto.
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it's just about "finding the right metrics."
isn't everything?
Baseball is a game of statistics though, while the most critical skill in football - I'd say - is the ability to take the correct position on the pitch. That's impossible to quantify objectively.
But not impossible to study objectively, and then quantify as, for example, number of times during a game, relative to possession, that a midfielder runs ahead of the ball, and then use other statistics to judge his effectiveness in doing so. Statistics are always useless and misleading in isolation - they need to bee tested against theories and other statistics to work. However, I'd say that something like finding the right positions can be turned into a statistic, and then quantified.
*nods and backs away slowly*
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Haha, sorry Damon, recently re-read this book by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski all about this sort of thing, so it's a bit of a hobby horse at the mo. Really good book actually, I'd recommend it.
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I'm changing your username to Statto.
But that's got nothing to do with Paul Lambert. I don't understand.
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I agree that if you spend your time in intelligent study of anything, it's always worthwhile. You just need to get the right people doing it.
Baseball is, in football terms, a series of corner kicks. there are only so many things that can happen.
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How about PsychoStattoLambo?
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I agree that if you spend your time in intelligent study of anything, it's always worthwhile. You just need to get the right people doing it.
Baseball is, in football terms, a series of corner kicks. there are only so many things that can happen.
Baseball is rounders with extra padding.
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I agree that if you spend your time in intelligent study of anything, it's always worthwhile. You just need to get the right people doing it.
Baseball is, in football terms, a series of corner kicks. there are only so many things that can happen.
I agree, so the stats are more readily available. Which is probably why moneyball took off in that sport rather than football as it's so stop-start, even by American sport standards.
How about PsychoStattoLambo?
Trouble is, people who've missed this would assume Villadawg was back.
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it's just about "finding the right metrics."
isn't everything?
Baseball is a game of statistics though, while the most critical skill in football - I'd say - is the ability to take the correct position on the pitch. That's impossible to quantify objectively.
But not impossible to study objectively, and then quantify as, for example, number of times during a game, relative to possession, that a midfielder runs ahead of the ball, and then use other statistics to judge his effectiveness in doing so. Statistics are always useless and misleading in isolation - they need to bee tested against theories and other statistics to work. However, I'd say that something like finding the right positions can be turned into a statistic, and then quantified.
I am with you Monty. BUT..... it falls down at the same point as it did with Oakland. You can only get so far on playing the stats. You can certainly build a functional side, but there is in football the brilliant unknown, which is, quite simply impossible to quantify. How do you assess Messi via statistics, when he takes on three and then plays a bloke in with a back heel that no one reads. Or when out of nothing Henry flicks the ball in the air, swivels and volleys home, or Rooney with a ball 3 yards behind him from a poor cross overhead kicks from above head height clean into the top corner. Or a corner is chipped back and Scholes hits it from 40 yards out smash off the bar, into the net. They are the moments that settle the big games. Percentage football and statistics are great, and will take you so far, but they then need to be sprinkled with something that cannot be analysed in a conventional sense. Talent. Brilliance. The moments for which we watch football.
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I agree that if you spend your time in intelligent study of anything, it's always worthwhile. You just need to get the right people doing it.
Baseball is, in football terms, a series of corner kicks. there are only so many things that can happen.
I agree, so the stats are more readily available. Which is probably why moneyball took off in that sport rather than football as it's so stop-start, even by American sport standards.
How about PsychoStattoLambo?
Trouble is, people who've missed this would assume Villadawg was back.
Very good.
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I just remember watching Mourinho at a Champions' league game and all he was interested in was where his players were on the pitch. he would bollock them if they were a couple of feet out of position.
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How do you assess Messi via statistics, when he takes on three and then plays a bloke in with a back heel that no one reads. Or when out of nothing Henry flicks the ball in the air, swivels and volleys home, or Rooney with a ball 3 yards behind him from a poor cross overhead kicks from above head height clean into the top corner. Or a corner is chipped back and Scholes hits it from 40 yards out smash off the bar, into the net.
Or that Nose who makes an arrowing run into his own box and beats his own keeper at the far post with a back pass. Magical stuff like that.
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With you on that Ozz, but don't forget the stats almost always bear out the under-appreciated fact that the football we call entertaining - passing, moving off the ball etc - is the most effective. To build an effective team with the right stats should produce an attacking and entertaining team. As for the geniuses we all love to watch, I'm sure they'd stand up to statistical scrutiny, but they don't need to. As kids, Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Ronaldinho, Zidane, they all obviously had something about them which doesn't require analysis to prove how good they are. However, for the rest of the mortal footballers out there, stats can help us find the undervalued ones and help make them better and more entertaining.
There is also luck - you can dominate a game but then your defender tries to clear it, it ricochets off a forward 40 yards out at the moment your keeper sneezes and flies in. But, by and large, doing certain things will produce more good results. Stats aren't everything, but that doesn't make them nothing.
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100% hilarity.
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With you on that Ozz, but don't forget the stats almost always bear out the under-appreciated fact that the football we call entertaining - passing, moving off the ball etc - is the most effective. To build an effective team with the right stats should produce an attacking and entertaining team. As for the geniuses we all love to watch, I'm sure they'd stand up to statistical scrutiny, but they don't need to. As kids, Messi, Iniesta, Xavi, Ronaldinho, Zidane, they all obviously had something about them which doesn't require analysis to prove how good they are. However, for the rest of the mortal footballers out there, stats can help us find the undervalued ones and help make them better and more entertaining.
There is also luck - you can dominate a game but then your defender tries to clear it, it ricochets off a forward 40 yards out at the moment your keeper sneezes and flies in. But, by and large, doing certain things will produce more good results. Stats aren't everything, but that doesn't make them nothing.
Point is you need both to win.
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I am with you Monty. BUT..... it falls down at the same point as it did with Oakland. You can only get so far on playing the stats. You can certainly build a functional side, but there is in football the brilliant unknown, which is, quite simply impossible to quantify.
I think that's incorrect as regards Oakland. The point there was that the glass (money) ceiling remained. Oakland could not, on their budget buy the best statistical players. What they did so well is get people statistically better than their market value suggested - a 20th percentile player with a 70th percentile budget. It wasn't the unknown magic that limited them - it was cold hard cash.
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Absolutely Ozz. Teams with decent-to-good players who are overly mechanised - like Hodgson's or Eriksson's down the years - have been found out just as easily as teams with little or no plan other than hoping their better players play well. You need both.
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I remember reading this (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9471db52-97bb-11e0-9c37-00144feab49a.html#axzz1wux7nOqI) when I was in New York City last year in the FT, it makes a very good point about stats in baseball to football etc, if you get chance give it a read....One of the best articles I have ever read, glad I have found it again.
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I remember reading this (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9471db52-97bb-11e0-9c37-00144feab49a.html#axzz1wux7nOqI) when I was in New York City last year in the FT, it makes a very good point about stats in baseball to football etc, if you get chance give it a read....One of the best articles I have ever read, glad I have found it again.
That's a brilliant article. I particularly love the stat about Maldini making about one tackle every two games. That tells you all you need to know.
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I remember reading this (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9471db52-97bb-11e0-9c37-00144feab49a.html#axzz1wux7nOqI) when I was in New York City last year in the FT, it makes a very good point about stats in baseball to football etc, if you get chance give it a read....One of the best articles I have ever read, glad I have found it again.
That's a brilliant article. I particularly love the stat about Maldini making about one tackle every two games. That tells you all you need to know.
Either we just looked at stats or not at all, when signing Heskey :)
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I like it when they kick the ball in the net.
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I remember reading this (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9471db52-97bb-11e0-9c37-00144feab49a.html#axzz1wux7nOqI) when I was in New York City last year in the FT, it makes a very good point about stats in baseball to football etc, if you get chance give it a read....One of the best articles I have ever read, glad I have found it again.
That's a brilliant article. I particularly love the stat about Maldini making about one tackle every two games. That tells you all you need to know.
Either we just looked at stats or not at all, when signing Heskey :)
That was the time when Lennie Peters was scouting for us. 8)
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I remember reading this (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/9471db52-97bb-11e0-9c37-00144feab49a.html#axzz1wux7nOqI) when I was in New York City last year in the FT, it makes a very good point about stats in baseball to football etc, if you get chance give it a read....One of the best articles I have ever read, glad I have found it again.
Thanks for posting that. What a fascinating article - whilst I knew there was some statistical analysis done by clubs on their players, I never thought it would be that advanced. Cheers
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At Liverpool, Comolli has genuine power. He has said that data informed the club’s recent purchases of Andy Carroll and Luis Suarez for a combined £60m.
Okay......
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Indeed a fascinating article yet one that points out very clearly that Arsenal football club has been controlled by a "quant" for the past fifteen years and yet they have just completed a seventh trophyless season!! That's the real stat.
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Indeed a fascinating article yet one that points out very clearly that Arsenal football club has been controlled by a "quant" for the past fifteen years and yet they have just completed a seventh trophyless season!! That's the real stat.
But in that time have won many trophies including going a whole season unbeaten, and during which time they've not finished outside the top 4. Also, during which time Wenger has proven himself the best in the business at selling players at the right time, using just these statistical methods. I don't know about you, but I'd take that for Villa.
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Indeed a fascinating article yet one that points out very clearly that Arsenal football club has been controlled by a "quant" for the past fifteen years and yet they have just completed a seventh trophyless season!! That's the real stat.
But in that time have won many trophies including going a whole season unbeaten, and during which time they've not finished outside the top 4. Also, during which time Wenger has proven himself the best in the business at selling players at the right time, using just these statistical methods. I don't know about you, but I'd take that for Villa.
Arsenal fans moan like hell about it though.
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At Liverpool, Comolli has genuine power. He has said that data informed the club’s recent purchases of Andy Carroll and Luis Suarez for a combined £60m.
Okay......
If I remember well, it was claimed that they signed Carroll because he won the highesr number of balls in the air in the league and they signed Downing and Enrique because they put in the highest number of crosses. Not sure how true it was.
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At Liverpool, Comolli has genuine power. He has said that data informed the club’s recent purchases of Andy Carroll and Luis Suarez for a combined £60m.
Okay......
If I remember well, it was claimed that they signed Carroll because he won the highesr number of balls in the air in the league and they signed Downing and Enrique because they put in the highest number of crosses. Not sure how true it was.
and now Comolli has had the sack and Downing is an unexampled figure of hate for the Kop.
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Very interesting article. Reading it I couldn't help but recall about how Randy Lerner had met Damien Comoli a few times before we went down the path of recruiting a manager. At the time, the speculation was about whether Comoli would become a Director of Football. Given how the article discusses the growing influence of stats in the sport, it seems more likely now that he had discussions about these stats, which he considered to be key metrics and which managers he felt were best at using stats.
Lambert clearly uses stats to influence the way he sets up a team, hence why he used several formations at different times last season. I don't think its a stretch to imagine that Karsa is his main stats/numbers guy or that this way of thinking clearly influenced the decision path the club took.
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At Liverpool, Comolli has genuine power. He has said that data informed the club’s recent purchases of Andy Carroll and Luis Suarez for a combined £60m.
Okay......
If I remember well, it was claimed that they signed Carroll because he won the highesr number of balls in the air in the league and they signed Downing and Enrique because they put in the highest number of crosses. Not sure how true it was.
When we played them Carroll was on the bench until around the 70 minute mark. In the same substitution that brought Carroll onto the pitch, Downing came off. I don't think Kenny Dalglish was the right manager for this approach somehow.
Stats won't tell you how much of a piss-head Carroll is or how much a little racist prick Suarez is. As someone said in the article, stats can point you in the right general direction but you still have to do your homework into other areas like personality, how likely the player would fit the club's culture etc.
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The bit about `sociograms' was interesting. Basically an admission that within a team there were players who like each other and play well together, and players who don't.
I used to play seven-a-side and there were four young black lads in our team who were really good mates and only used to pass to each other. Because they were brilliant, it didn't matter that (a) I was crap and (b) I never saw the ball, but the net result for me was I got fed up and jacked it in.
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Found this on a Norwich forum; most were in agreement:
I think you're in for a shock. Lambert was getting alot of criticism for team selection/tactics in some games last season. It was a bit hit and miss to be honest. When it was right it was very good, but equally there were games where you thought - does this man know what he's doing. He's still learning - you are going to need your patience, I think.
He will mix the squad, rotate it at a bewildering rate - not always with good results - sometimes we were asking as fans - just what is he doing? Ecstatic at the progress we've made in three years - but it was a combination of circumstances that led to it, not just Lambert's arrival. To start with we are a well run club and we had signed a secret weapon in Grant Holt (not signed ny Lambert, btw). Just saying, but PL is not the finished article.
This is something that has puzzled me as a Col U fan -all this talk from the Villa fans that they are getting a manager who "Plays the right way" -My recollection is as described above - when he got us playing well, we were very good (opening game of the 09/10 season for example!!) but it was often hit and miss, and sometimes not very exciting at all (mind you, still thrilling compared to what Boothroyd served up afterwards!). I'm not entirely convinced that Villa are going to get the "beautiful game" they're expecting
I think the key point is things will be an improvement on last season but we need to be patient, Lambert is still learning his trade. Whichever way you look at it, the season will be a positively interesting one.
"He's not the messiah..... but he likes to think he is..."
And there was me just thinking (praying) it was just the glasses and tracksuit.
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He will mix the squad, rotate it at a bewildering rate - not always with good results - sometimes we were asking as fans - just what is he doing?
Interestingly, that would make him the polar opposite of pubey.
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Well it's easy to criticise your ex-manager after 3 successful seasons. So they were good was because of Holt and the club being well run?
Anyway I'm not expecting us to play like Barcelona I just want us to compete to our very best ability and try and win every match we play.
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I would'nt read too much into the comments from those Norwich fans. They're gutted that he's gone and from the site that i read whilst we were in talks with him, some were hoping that he'd turn us down. Besides, you saw from the ovation that he got on the last day of the season what they thought of him.
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They are probably right, certainly better placed that we are, and like when Sunderland fans came to gloat they had got O'Neill we warned them of the pitfalls, which were already creeping in by the last few games of the season for them. We need to accept that Norwich fans have probably got a good handle on Lambert, but his bad points have seen them go up as champions from League 1, get automatic promotion last season and then 12th with a squad realistically bottom 3 quality. As such, we will find out his quirks and bad points, and no doubt be frustrated by them, and moan like bastards about them, but we will be a million times better than we have been for a long time.
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Well it's easy to criticise your ex-manager after 3 successful seasons. So they were good was because of Holt and the club being well run?
Anyway I'm not expecting us to play like Barcelona I just want us to compete to our very best ability and try and win every match we play.
Exactly Ian, and no one in the premier league plays like Barcelona anyway.
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Well it's easy to criticise your ex-manager after 3 successful seasons. So they were good was because of Holt and the club being well run?
Anyway I'm not expecting us to play like Barcelona I just want us to compete to our very best ability and try and win every match we play.
Exactly Ian, and no one in the premier league plays like Barcelona anyway.
If we have three successive seasons like Norwich had, improving each year, I doubt anybody will be complaining. I think the Norwich posts were just at the reaction to some Villa fans who were confusing Lambert with Guardiola.
Lambert seems clever enough to match his tactics with the squad of players he has available and who the opposition is. Villa is a genuinely big challenge for him, I doubt very much he thinks he's doing us a favour and we should think ourselves lucky to have him. It'll take time and investment to get it right and I'm more than willing to enjoy the ride.
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Yeah Lambert and the way he set up Norwich had nothing to do with back-to-back promotions and then a fantastic first season in the Prem. All about Holt, the board and luck. Bore off, Norwich.
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Well it's easy to criticise your ex-manager after 3 successful seasons. So they were good was because of Holt and the club being well run?
Anyway I'm not expecting us to play like Barcelona I just want us to compete to our very best ability and try and win every match we play.
Absolutely. I'll take his win ratio in the last 3 years over ours thank you very much. It happens on here too regarding MON, and often stemmed by bitterness which is understandable. They have had three of the best years most of them can remember. Lambert is by no stretch the finished article and I imagine he has learned a lot since he started as a manager. Hopefully he'll continue to develop and improve with us.
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They are probably right, certainly better placed that we are, and like when Sunderland fans came to gloat they had got O'Neill we warned them of the pitfalls, which were already creeping in by the last few games of the season for them. We need to accept that Norwich fans have probably got a good handle on Lambert, but his bad points have seen them go up as champions from League 1, get automatic promotion last season and then 12th with a squad realistically bottom 3 quality. As such, we will find out his quirks and bad points, and no doubt be frustrated by them, and moan like bastards about them, but we will be a million times better than we have been for a long time.
I hope he is not MON Mk 2, there appears to be a lot of evidence to suggest that he might be.
After TSM I am pleased we are starting afresh.
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They are probably right, certainly better placed that we are, and like when Sunderland fans came to gloat they had got O'Neill we warned them of the pitfalls, which were already creeping in by the last few games of the season for them. We need to accept that Norwich fans have probably got a good handle on Lambert, but his bad points have seen them go up as champions from League 1, get automatic promotion last season and then 12th with a squad realistically bottom 3 quality. As such, we will find out his quirks and bad points, and no doubt be frustrated by them, and moan like bastards about them, but we will be a million times better than we have been for a long time.
I hope he is not MON Mk 2, there appears to be a lot of evidence to suggest that he might be.
Relax, just because he's not Guardiola, it doesn't automatically mean he's MON Mk II. Worse case scenario, he's the thinking man's MON.
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They are probably right, certainly better placed that we are, and like when Sunderland fans came to gloat they had got O'Neill we warned them of the pitfalls, which were already creeping in by the last few games of the season for them. We need to accept that Norwich fans have probably got a good handle on Lambert, but his bad points have seen them go up as champions from League 1, get automatic promotion last season and then 12th with a squad realistically bottom 3 quality. As such, we will find out his quirks and bad points, and no doubt be frustrated by them, and moan like bastards about them, but we will be a million times better than we have been for a long time.
I hope he is not MON Mk 2, there appears to be a lot of evidence to suggest that he might be.
Relax, just because he's not Guardiola, it doesn't automatically mean he's MON Mk II. Worse case scenario, he's the thinking man's MON.
The tracksuit, socks tucked into trousers thing scares me a bit.
Other than that, I think he's exactly the sort of strong but progressive manager we need right now.
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They are probably right, certainly better placed that we are, and like when Sunderland fans came to gloat they had got O'Neill we warned them of the pitfalls, which were already creeping in by the last few games of the season for them. We need to accept that Norwich fans have probably got a good handle on Lambert, but his bad points have seen them go up as champions from League 1, get automatic promotion last season and then 12th with a squad realistically bottom 3 quality. As such, we will find out his quirks and bad points, and no doubt be frustrated by them, and moan like bastards about them, but we will be a million times better than we have been for a long time.
I hope he is not MON Mk 2, there appears to be a lot of evidence to suggest that he might be.
Relax, just because he's not Guardiola, it doesn't automatically mean he's MON Mk II. Worse case scenario, he's the thinking man's MON.
The tracksuit, socks tucked into trousers thing scares me a bit.
Other than that, I think he's exactly the sort of strong but progressive manager we need right now.
I know what you mean but I'd be more than happy if he turned up tomorrow in a black leather Ron Saunders coat. Saunders had style. Agree with you on the "strong but progressive manager". It's EXACTLY what we need right now.
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110% agree.
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I don't have an objection to better use of data and science. I'm sure footballs pretty backward in some respects. But I don't reckon the pure money ball approach would ever work in football
Lambert seems very much a pragmatist, rather than the OGS or Rodgers who seem to have more fundamental beliefs. I won't pretend I wasn't advocating the latter category, but I think this is the safer choice.
Worth taking account of the Norwich fan views. But they'd been promoted twice without spending any real money at all. Can't really expect consistent excellence
I do however think there'll be games where the style isn't particularly different to mon or mcleish. I saw Norwich park the bus a few times last year
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It is worth noting that Lambert tactically outthought Brendan Rogers twice last season. Will he do it again? Let's hope RL gives him the budget to have a chance of doing so.
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I don't think those Norwich fans are just being bitter. I remember a report on TV about Norwich towards the end of last season where Norwich fans travelling to an away game had no idea what the team or formation was going to be and said it was the same uncertainty every week.
If you tinker around with things as much as he seems to, sometimes it's going to go very well and other times it's going to go very badly. But at least we should have the times that were very well, times that were too few and far between over the last two seasons.
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At the start of last season through to Xmas I made a fair few quid on Norwich
Every week I was lumping on £50 on their games to score +2.5 goals
I did it on the basis that they seemed to attack teams but were poor at the back
It's good & bad all rolled into 1 with PL I think
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At the start of last season through to Xmas I made a fair few quid on Norwich
Every week I was lumping on £50 on their games to score +2.5 goals
I did it on the basis that they seemed to attack teams but were poor at the back
It's good & bad all rolled into 1 with PL I think
I remember their defending was abysmal at Villa Park.
Must have been for us to beat them.
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Well if this is true about a lot of tinkering with team selection, then all this talk of being him MON II is rubbish.
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Not sure where the Norwich fans get it from that we're all expecting the "beautiful game" under Lambert. I saw enough of Norwich last season to know that won't be the case.
I have my reservations about the appointment in terms of style, but I'm sure what we will get is a far more positive attitude in our play. With that could come style if the individual ability of the player is there – and I think a number of our youngsters could flourish if they're given the freedom to do so.
I'm just dreading the first time I see a ball launched from full-back to centre-forward's head, when I will slump into my seat muttering "no, no, no... not again!"
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At the start of last season through to Xmas I made a fair few quid on Norwich
Every week I was lumping on £50 on their games to score +2.5 goals
I did it on the basis that they seemed to attack teams but were poor at the back
It's good & bad all rolled into 1 with PL I think
I remember their defending was abysmal at Villa Park.
Must have been for us to beat them.
Think they took the lead then we scored 3 fairly easy goals
Don't recall much tactical genius that day from PL
Gabby and Bent both played well I recall
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At the start of last season through to Xmas I made a fair few quid on Norwich
Every week I was lumping on £50 on their games to score +2.5 goals
I did it on the basis that they seemed to attack teams but were poor at the back
It's good & bad all rolled into 1 with PL I think
I remember their defending was abysmal at Villa Park.
Must have been for us to beat them.
Someone said their first choice centre backs were injured a lot, and didn't they have Leon Barnet? Gabby killed him against West Brom I remember, and was brilliant against Norwich but may have been the confidence of knowing you have your opponent before a ball is kicked.
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Lets not forget that his Norwich team were built on a very meagre budget and most of the players were very ordinary at best. You'd expect them to get beaten far more often than they did. Especially by a team with two England forwards playing for it.
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Lets not forget that his Norwich team were built on a very meagre budget and most of the players were very ordinary at best. You'd expect them to get beaten far more often than they did. Especially by a team with two England forwards playing for it.
Was kind of what I was trying to say about the standard of their back 4, although I would take Naugton and whoever they had to play left back tomorrow!
I actually think Given, Dunne, Clark, Hutton and dare I say Warnock will be retained as the back 4 next season, until Dunne, Collins and Warnock can go on frees. Lambert will get more out of them I am fairly sure, and we will be ok at the back, but nothing special. His focus will be on the way we attack, and I reckon wingers, midfielders and forwards are the likely ones coming in.
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The defence will be largely told to do one I would think.
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The defence will be largely told to do one I would think.
We will see, but if you could squeeze 12 months out of them, which you could Dunne and Hutton certainly, I think he will.
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We'll find it hard to shift Dunne, Warnock and Collins. With one year to go on their contracts they know that the next one they pick-up is likely to see a huge drop in wages. Hopefully Lambert can galvanise them.
The one thing I worry about is, Scottish contingent apart, how we're going to understand him. His accent and mumbly low-tone isn't the easiest to decipher. Did he have many foreigners at Norwich?
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At the start of last season through to Xmas I made a fair few quid on Norwich
Every week I was lumping on £50 on their games to score +2.5 goals
I did it on the basis that they seemed to attack teams but were poor at the back
It's good & bad all rolled into 1 with PL I think
I remember their defending was abysmal at Villa Park.
Must have been for us to beat them.
Think they took the lead then we scored 3 fairly easy goals
Don't recall much tactical genius that day from PL
Gabby and Bent both played well I recall
Gabby played an absolute blinder which PL will have taken note of.
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Still in a bit of shock that we even got him.
Anxiously waiting for this presser.
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At the start of last season through to Xmas I made a fair few quid on Norwich
Every week I was lumping on £50 on their games to score +2.5 goals
I did it on the basis that they seemed to attack teams but were poor at the back
It's good & bad all rolled into 1 with PL I think
I remember their defending was abysmal at Villa Park.
Must have been for us to beat them.
Think they took the lead then we scored 3 fairly easy goals
Don't recall much tactical genius that day from PL
Gabby and Bent both played well I recall
When Gabby and Bent play really well, there is not a team in the Premiership that can contain us, not just humble little Norwich.
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I don't think that any Villa fan is expecting PL to produce Barcelona type performances, but if Norwich fans had been 'lucky' enough to see five or more Villa games last season I think they will understand why we are happy to have an up and coming Manager at the helm.
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Career summary (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2794090,00.html)
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The defence will be largely told to do one I would think.
You'd like to think so but we have to be practical here, I can see 2 of the 4 going with Dunne and Hutton staying
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Can someone change my name back to irreverent ad, please?
I admit I was an idiot to ask for it to be changed in the first place. ;-)
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Any chance of a name change please mods? Is this the right place to ask?
If possible, could I please get it changed to:
Lam Bert Be Bettered!?!?
Thank-you!
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Any chance of a name change please mods? Is this the right place to ask?
If possible, could I please get it changed to:
Lam Bert Be Bettered!?!?
Thank-you!
Unfortunately, we've decided only to do name changes for GMs.
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Any chance of a name change please mods? Is this the right place to ask?
If possible, could I please get it changed to:
Lam Bert Be Bettered!?!?
Thank-you!
Unfortunately, we've decided only to do name changes for GMs.
GMs?
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Golden muppets (make a donation to the running of the site and you will get "Golden muppet status and be able to view/post on the sacred forum)
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Plus you'll also be able request a name change.
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Wasn't half the forum having their usernames changed when we thought we were on the brink of getting Solskjær as manager??
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Suprised nobody has had Bert Lamcaster yet.
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Wasn't half the forum having their usernames changed when we thought we were on the brink of getting Solskjær as manager??
That's why we made it GMs only.
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If it's not the case I do think non-GMs should have the option to be able to transfer back to their original user name. By the way, can you please change me back to maidstonevillain. I don't think OGS is going to be here for at least another 12 months.
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If it's not the case I do think non-GMs should have the option to be able to transfer back to their original user name.
I would agree with that.
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If it's not the case I do think non-GMs should have the option to be able to transfer back to their original user name. By the way, can you please change me back to maidstonevillain. I don't think OGS is going to be here for at least another 12 months.
Thanks for the speedy name change whoever did it.
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Out of interest where does the GM money go ?
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Towards the cost of maintaining this site on the server.
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Thanks