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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2025, 10:15:23 AM
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Seems pretty done.
https://bsky.app/profile/fabrizioromano.yopro20.com/post/3lxrb4eo7xu2s
Not sure about this, has a reputation as trouble. Still, only a loan with no obligation to buy according to various accounts and undoubtedly in a position of need.
Please prove the doubters, including me, wrong, and be brilliant.
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Not getting Rashford vibes with this one. I hope I’m wrong obviously, but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen this lad do anything of any note.
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Wonder what the wages are.
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When a team are prepared to pay money not to sign you, then I think that could be strongly indicative as a problem.
Looks like we are desperate.
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He was never a player I really rated even when everyone was raving about him in Germany. Unai Emery knows a lot more about football than I do though, so cool.
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Not getting Rashford vibes with this one. I hope I’m wrong obviously, but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen this lad do anything of any note.
questionable attitude but you hope for The Dortmund player
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Very talented player on his day, though not sure when that last was.
Seems to fall out with clubs, hope we have told him to get an alarm clock.
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He was great at Dortmund.
Not so much since, I remain to be convinced.
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The very definition of a panic signing.
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Champions League, here we come. Sanchy and Lindy will save us.
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Unless we get a few more in today then this is a bloody awful window.
Why would anyone want Sancho?
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We wanted a winger. In other circumstances this would be seen as low risk with a big potential upside.
In these circumstances however it feels like a desperate throw of the dice.
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Brilliant signing, what can possibly go wrong?
Welcome and good luck getting back in the World Cup squad!!
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I thought Rashford would be a disaster, and he wasn't too bad.
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Champions League, here we come. Sanchy and Lindy will save us.
Well yes, you do think when ManU reviewed their awful season and decided one of the solutions was to get shot of Sancho and Linderhof, that could have been something of a warning.
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Extremely sceptical about this one.
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It might work out if he hits the gym and strengthens up like an old tank. Sancho Panzer, if you will.
I'm extremely sorry.
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Ive never seen him play well, not that I’ve watched him that much. My lad thinks he’s good and he knows more about current players than me. Lets face it, with the mess this summers been and at this late stage, it kind of is beggars can’t choosers unfortunately.
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Fuck this, he's fucking shite. I'd rather have kept Bailey.
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Which side does he prefer? Vague recollection that he is much stronger playing one wing versus his form on the other.
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I'd rather have Trez back.
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Still happy to lie back and think of Yanited cast-offs, nice one Villa.
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Not impressed with this. I hope I am wrong, but think he will be a flop.
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Dreadful move, desperation.
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Fucks’ sake.
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Wonder what the wages are.
Anything more than the minimum wage and we have been had over.
Jesse Lingard Mrk 2, (and not the won who played at West Ham for 6 months).
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He doesn't seem to be a rapist, so not the worst Man U winger we could have signed. Every cloud.
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Fuck this, he's fucking shite. I'd rather have kept Bailey.
Well yes, I’d agree
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He doesn't seem to be a rapist, so not the worst Man U winger we could have signed. Every cloud.
Ha ha ha, the lowest of low bars.
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It all just smacks of sheer desperation to me.
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Hmmm.
I mean, I'd rather have him than Danny Drinkwater. But still. What the hell?!
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Reeks of utter desperation. And I thought the days of dumb cast off signings was long behind us.
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Appalling attitude. Just what we need in that squad.
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Maybe we sent a fax to every agent asking if they represented anyone who would play for us, and only two said yes.
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Is there really not another winger in the world who is hungry for a step up, with a good attitude and wouldn't want £100k+ a week.
What the fuck have we been doing for the last 10 weeks? Apart from selling our players for fuck all.
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The start of the bomb squad.
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Even at the height of his reputation I thought he was shit.
Remember, he kept Grealish out of the England team and none of us understood how.
This is a panic signing and an awful decision.
I thought the days of us being dustbin for other teams shite had long gone.
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I can’t believe we’re about to do this.
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We may as well tell them we will take Onana and Anthony whilst we gift wrap the essence of our team with Emi
WTF is going on - weaken ourselves whilst improving a potential competitor.......and especially them cnuts >:(
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Oh no it’s been confirmed… This does stink of desperation. The players already look unsettled so bringing him this player with such a bad attitude isn’t gonna help.
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Excellent. The only way is up. Has experience of European football. Will be surrounded by decent people so he'll have a good platform. Emery has experience of sorting out underperformers.
I'm underwhelmed.
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80% of his wages!
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I thought Rashford would be a disaster, and he wasn't too bad.
The same, though Rashford's contribution was hugely overstated. At least he worked hard and gave it a good go.
Sancho has loads of ability but has been a fraud for most of his career. Poorly disciplined on and off the pitch. Too weak and unfit for the PL. Some club was always going to get desperate enough to get him in on the last day of the window, I thought West Ham maybe. Very sad that's the level of desperation we have fallen to.
I'm not sure how Emery can somehow get a tune out of him and possibly get him back to his Dortmund form. It means an end to the midfield four setup that served us well for starters. If it's a 433/4231 then it's an odd signing as we already have Malen and Guessand. He will probably be more useful in the EL where we can dominate possession.
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Champions League, here we come. Sanchy and Lindy will save us.
Alan McInally…
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80% of his wages!
That's astonishing. That's absolutely fucking astonishing. Wes and Nas should refuse to sanction it.
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Not getting Rashford vibes with this one. I hope I’m wrong obviously, but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen this lad do anything of any note.
Oddly, I am getting Rashford vibes
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80% of his wages!
That's astonishing. That's absolutely fucking astonishing. Wes and Nas should refuse to sanction it.
We obviously do not fucking learn
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We are swimming in risky water, last minute panic buys.
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Ughhhhhhhh
Emery implied yesterday that the mental state in the team wasn't great, or that off field nonsense is preventing us from mentally being where we were last season. So adding someone who has a massive question mark over his attitude doesn't seem like the best option right now.
Hope I'm wrong.
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80% of his wages!
That's astonishing. That's absolutely fucking astonishing. Wes and Nas should refuse to sanction it.
If that is so, I am even more appalled. Isn't he on an absolute fortune?
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He's only on a reported 250k a week, what you all moaning at!
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And people wonder why monchi gets pelters EIGHTY PERCENT of his wages
You absolute moron monchi
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If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
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If no loan fee then not so bad...
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If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Yep.
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If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Well fucking quite.
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It's the most unimaginative signing imaginable.
One of those that genuinely makes you wonder why the fuck we're employing Monchi and co' at all.
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If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Well fucking quite.
Absolutely this. Sancho is a bin fire, and an expensive one at that.
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If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Something about his dad according to the mob on here. Grealish after 10 pints is a better player than this clown.
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I don't want Sancho because he's always come across as a twat but despite reportedly being crap his record in the last season and a half at Dortmund and Chelsea is roughly 1 in 3 to get a goal or assist. If he comes in and offers that sort of form then that'll be 15ish g+a for the season which would be a big step up from what Bailey and Ramsey gave us last year.
I'd rather not, and especially if it's for £200k p/w but we need people in and if this is what the options are then so be it. This window was fucked by us not getting Martinez sorted 6-8 weeks ago and everything now is a result of that.
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I hope we're all eating humble pie come May as he plays a blinder in the Europa final.
However
This is madness, unless there is a low fee but clause should be actually be any good.
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Not getting Rashford vibes with this one. I hope I’m wrong obviously, but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen this lad do anything of any note.
Oddly, I am getting Rashford vibes
Rashford has proven he can be great in the PL and appears to be a decent lad. He was also coming into a unified squad with the mission to add value and play himself back into form.
This one just feels all wrong to me. Total panic buy that you won't convince me isn't a last minute trolley dash.
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And, it wouldn't surprise me at all if another 1st teamer leaves today.
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From the Guardian transfer blog:
I can’t lie, it freaks my nut that any top-half Premier League manager, never mind Unai Emery, wants Sancho. He’s got such a lovely touch and imagination, but sadly lacks the physicality to succeed in England, while there are also questions about his mentality. It’s hard to see this one working.
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I wonder why we didn't just activate the agreement we had for Rashford if we can now find these kind of wages.
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Just don't see him as an upgrade on Leon Bailey...
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I wonder why we didn't just activate the agreement we had for Rashford if we can now find these kind of wages.
because we couldn't afford it when he was available and he wanted to go to Barca anyway.
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Sancho…even when he was good, he was shit.
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He's on a lot less than Greasy.
He has brilliant levels of skill and ability, and if there's anyone who could get it out of him it's Emery.
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One plus point, we won't see him meaningfully on the pitch for at least two months whilst Emery gets him ready.
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It might work out if he hits the gym and strengthens up like an old tank. Sancho Panzer, if you will.
I'm extremely sorry.
Well if he turns out to be shit, Darren, scaffolder from Kingstanding might give him an ice pick.
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I wonder why we didn't just activate the agreement we had for Rashford if we can now find these kind of wages.
because we couldn't afford it when he was available and he wanted to go to Barca anyway.
We could have done if we'd sent Emi there, as he's going to end up there anyway. And we had first dibs, or that was what was reported. He seemed very much like an afterthought for Barca.
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If no loan fee then not so bad...
80% plus a loan fee is what I heard
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He's on a lot less than Greasy.
He has brilliant levels of skill and ability, and if there's anyone who could get it out of him it's Emery.
I hope you’re right….
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We rely on reported figures but there isn't much between Grealish and Sancho wages.
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If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Something about his dad according to the mob on here. Grealish after 10 pints is a better player than this clown.
Yep, the club looked on here and went, "some people on HandV have doubts, lets not sign him".
Although I doubt Jack would have 4 assists playing for us. It seems that Everton have told Dewsbury-Hall that when the ball goes to Jack, make a run ahead of him for him to find. We would have been telling him to pass it back to the halfway line for Tielemans to recycle.
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If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Something about his dad according to the mob on here. Grealish after 10 pints is a better player than this clown.
Yep, the club looked on here and went, "some people on HandV have doubts, lets not sign him".
Although I doubt Jack would have 4 assists playing for us. It seems that Everton have told Dewsbury-Hall that when the ball goes to Jack, make a run ahead of him for him to find. We would have been telling him to pass it back to the halfway line for Tielemans to recycle.
Moyes plays counter attack low block football which suits Jack. We don't. We might have to though.
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If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Something about his dad according to the mob on here. Grealish after 10 pints is a better player than this clown.
Yep, the club looked on here and went, "some people on HandV have doubts, lets not sign him".
Although I doubt Jack would have 4 assists playing for us. It seems that Everton have told Dewsbury-Hall that when the ball goes to Jack, make a run ahead of him for him to find. We would have been telling him to pass it back to the halfway line for Tielemans to recycle.
Grealish would have given the entire club, including the dressing room, a lift when we badly needed it. It's not even about the assists. Everton were so bad v Leeds, like way worse than even us v Brentford. He starts the next day and gives every other player around him a lift from his first touch. He has a presence about him. He's like the player Sancho think he is, if you separate heart, courage etc
It's an act of self sabotage not to have brought him back and instead piss away money on this clown.
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If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Fancy being our sporting director? You would do a better job than monchi with common sense like this.
It blows my mind we wouldnt go for grealish yet go for sancho who is a bad apple.
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If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Fancy being our sporting director? You would do a better job than monchi with common sense like this.
It blows my mind we wouldnt go for grealish yet go for sancho who is a bad apple.
Sancho isn't a bad apple. Pears are bad apples.
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I don't want Sancho because he's always come across as a twat but despite reportedly being crap his record in the last season and a half at Dortmund and Chelsea is roughly 1 in 3 to get a goal or assist. If he comes in and offers that sort of form then that'll be 15ish g+a for the season which would be a big step up from what Bailey and Ramsey gave us last year.
Thanks for making me feel more positive about it. Starmer should have appointed you as his new Directors of Communications.
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If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Fancy being our sporting director? You would do a better job than monchi with common sense like this.
It blows my mind we wouldnt go for grealish yet go for sancho who is a bad apple.
Make your mind up.
I would rather go for luiz than grealish if i was everton.
Jacks best days are over
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Good grief, this is just sheer desperation, utterly unbelievable!
Exactly what you don’t need to improve the moral of the squad, which is low on confidence and belief, a sulky, arrogant brat who thinks he is better than he really is on ridiculous wages!!!!!!!
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And isn't very quick lol
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I'm not sure Sancho has ever looked convincing in the PL or at the international level. Unless Man U are paying the majority of his wages, this move would seem beyond desperate.
Maybe he's hoping for a Rashford-like revival, but it seems incredibly unlikely to me.
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There will be people on here who stick up for the backroom staff at Villa who deal with transfers/contracts, etc, but our approach this past few windows has frankly been abysmal.
Barring Kamara and Rogers, our squad is worse than the Dean Smith/Gerrard squad that Unai inherited (*with age taken into consideration too).
If today finishes with Martinez out and the only incomings being Lindelof and Sancho, heads need to roll.
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There will be people on here who stick up for the backroom staff at Villa who deal with transfers/contracts, etc, but our approach this past few windows has frankly been abysmal.
Barring Kamara and Rogers, our squad is worse than the Dean Smith/Gerrard squad that Unai inherited (*with age taken into consideration too).
If today finishes with Martinez out and the only incomings being Lindelof and Sancho, heads need to roll.
What about if no one out, and Lindelof and Sancho in?
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Awful desperation signing completely lacking any thought or imagination. Laughable really. What a cliff we seem to have fallen off, back to looking down the back of the bins for other teams cast offs.
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Similar dynamic to when other teams sign Raheem Sterling.
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I’m trying to work out how I feel about this…
I don’t feel much.
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Urgh.
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Lindelof and Sancho.... ugh. Does that mean we'll get Goldbridge as well? "I can't speak! I can't speak!" How will their cast offs make us any better and Sanchos wages would surely be at odds with the PSR bullshit
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Big difference between Rashford and Sancho is that Rashford plays well for a dozen games on the bounce then goes awol for a season. Sancho does absolutely fuck all. Dreadful hype of shit.
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This really is Sancho's last shot - he has to make it work, or he'll disappear like Berahino and others before did, same as David Bentley
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Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
I don't like the talk of covering 80% of his wages though.
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Similar dynamic to when other teams sign Raheem Sterling.
Ooo we could get him as well and have a matching set of complete wastrels.
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Its always nice to see excitement abound for a new signing! As others have said, its his last chance saloon, and by god we need a winger so welcome to the Villa
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Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
8) 8)
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Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
I don't like the talk of covering 80% of his wages though.
Is he bollocks.
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I've never been impressed at all whenever I've seen him but he might fit in ok here, you never know.
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Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
I don't like the talk of covering 80% of his wages though.
Yeah but will he score more than Watkins?
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I'm not sure he'll score more than Bizot.
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Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.
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I feel sorry for our social media team, imagine having to try and spin Sancho and Lindelof as positives.
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I feel sorry for our social media team, imagine having to try and spin Sancho and Lindelof as positives.
WE HAVE CHERRY PICKED THOSE MANCHESTER BASTARDS !
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Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
I don't like the talk of covering 80% of his wages though.
Is he bollocks.
Yeah, sorry but that's nonsense. Rashford has done it in the PL in a big way, but the player we look like loaning in hasn't after a few attempts. A good season in Germany isn't the same thing.
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Villa Victorious in Lindy Pursuit.
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Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.
Man U and Chelsea hoped they'd get the Dortmund version. Chelsea ultimately paid £5m to NOT keep him.
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Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.
I admire your optimism but that is 4 years ago. Like when Stoke beat us to the Michael Owen signature I thought he won't play a dozen games
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UNITED STARS CHOOSE VILLA
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Are we interested in Michael Owen? Now you’re talking.
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Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.
Man U and Chelsea hoped they'd get the Dortmund version. Chelsea ultimately paid £5m to NOT keep him.
That sums it up - they couldn't be bothered with of even bothering to get him, loan him to I dunno Leverkusen or Sevilla and hoping for a break even, Just pay a retropective additonal £5m in loan fees
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Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.
I admire your optimism but that is 4 years ago. Like when Stoke beat us to the Michael Owen signature I thought he won't play a dozen games
Sancho is 25. A bit of difference than getting the broken down end of career Michael Owen Stoke got.
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Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.
Man U and Chelsea hoped they'd get the Dortmund version. Chelsea ultimately paid £5m to NOT keep him.
That sums it up - they couldn't be bothered with of even bothering to get him, loan him to I dunno Leverkusen or Sevilla and hoping for a break even, Just pay a retropective additonal £5m in loan fees
Sure, that’s a valid concern. But Chelsea have also got rid of many players they spend lots of money on.
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I feel sorry for our social media team, imagine having to try and spin Sancho and Lindelof as positives.
Imagine the grief they'd have been in for if we signed a crocked pisshead from Manchester United in 1989 and social media existed?
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Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
I don't like the talk of covering 80% of his wages though.
Yeah but will he score more than Watkins?
He might do. He won't be our striker though.
17 goals in 62 apps 😂
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Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
I don't like the talk of covering 80% of his wages though.
Is he bollocks.
He is definitely a more talented player. There's no question about it.
He hasn't achieved as much granted, but that isn't what I'm saying.
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I feel sorry for our social media team, imagine having to try and spin Sancho and Lindelof as positives.
Imagine the grief they'd have been in for if we signed a crocked pisshead from Manchester United in 1989 and social media existed?
Yeah they certainly had the last laugh the way the bigged up Joe Cole.
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If the snake hasn’t got his dream move to Yanited and has to remain - even for the next few months - it hopefully puts the kybosh on this one. A very small win in a monumentally shit summer.
Assume we were only going to pay 80 per cent of this prat’s wages on the proviso Emi was out the door.
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If the snake hasn’t got his dream move to Yanited and has to remain - even for the next few months - it hopefully puts the kybosh on this one. A very small win in a monumentally shit summer.
Assume we were only going to pay 80 per cent of this prat’s wages on the proviso Emi was out the door.
I'm sire I read somewhere the two things were not / aren't linked at all.
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UNITED STARS CHOOSE VILLA
:)
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The Man United BBC at it again.
Both Sancho and Elliott are now at Villa to complete medicals and the formalities of their loan moves.
United sources say Aston Villa will pay 80% of Sancho's wages, while there are easily achievable bonuses which should bring the total up to 100%.
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Never impressed me when I have seen him play, which was usually for England admittedly.
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The Man United BBC at it again.
Both Sancho and Elliott are now at Villa to complete medicals and the formalities of their loan moves.
United sources say Aston Villa will pay 80% of Sancho's wages, while there are easily achievable bonuses which should bring the total up to 100%.
Thats unbelievable what a idiotic deal. Almost 100% of his wages. Feck me
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Wonder what the wages are.
Massive and we'll be picking them all up.
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The Man United BBC at it again.
Both Sancho and Elliott are now at Villa to complete medicals and the formalities of their loan moves.
United sources say Aston Villa will pay 80% of Sancho's wages, while there are easily achievable bonuses which should bring the total up to 100%.
Thats unbelievable what a idiotic deal. Almost 100% of his wages. Feck me
You'd presume those bonuses are comparable with the rest of the squad for reaching a level such as the Champions League.
If he qualifies for said bonus then he will have had to have played a part and been well worth the money.
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It depends what the bonuses are. If we only pay them if he plays at least thirty games, scores at least fifteen goals, annoys Smirker by providing at least fifteen assists, helps us qualify for the Champions League and win three trophies, and has Harvey Elliot photograph him giving Emiliano Martinez a massive kick up the arse, it will be well worth the extra 20%.
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Apparently on £200k+ per week. Over £10m to loan him then.
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Wonder what the wages are.
Massive and we'll be picking them all up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cr4z1egxlv5o
Chelsea did not pay a loan fee for the player and covered just half of his reported £300,000-a-week wages.
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Man United float this shit to the press to make themselves look better in negotiations. We won't be paying anywhere near his full wage.
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One of my most hated sayings on here is ‘ there’s a player in there somewhere’
However I’m unconvinced with Sancho I feel there were better options for the Big wages were paying but there’s a player in there somewhere
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The Man United BBC at it again.
Both Sancho and Elliott are now at Villa to complete medicals and the formalities of their loan moves.
United sources say Aston Villa will pay 80% of Sancho's wages, while there are easily achievable bonuses which should bring the total up to 100%.
Thats unbelievable what a idiotic deal. Almost 100% of his wages. Feck me
You'd presume those bonuses are comparable with the rest of the squad for reaching a level such as the Champions League.
If he qualifies for said bonus then he will have had to have played a part and been well worth the money.
If he gets us Cl then you are correct would have been worth it. But i cannot for the life of me seeing us anywhere near the top 4 with signings like linedelof and sancho. Think its better to focus on europa this year
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Wonder what the wages are.
Massive and we'll be picking them all up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cr4z1egxlv5o
Chelsea did not pay a loan fee for the player and covered just half of his reported £300,000-a-week wages.
They did negate that by paying £5m not to buy him though…
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Grealish would have given the entire club, including the dressing room, a lift when we badly needed it. It's not even about the assists. Everton were so bad v Leeds, like way worse than even us v Brentford. He starts the next day and gives every other player around him a lift from his first touch. He has a presence about him. He's like the player Sancho think he is, if you separate heart, courage etc
It's an act of self sabotage not to have brought him back and instead piss away money on this clown.
He hadn't "left" Everton players several seasons earlier. We have seen this week that our players don't seem to like players who seem to be abandoning them.
But I was mainly picking up that Moyes is given him freedom of play AND telling other players to make runs when he has the ball and he is not in a rigid style of play like under Pep. Which managers style do you think Emery is closer too?
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Wonder what the wages are.
Massive and we'll be picking them all up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cr4z1egxlv5o
Chelsea did not pay a loan fee for the player and covered just half of his reported £300,000-a-week wages.
They had an option to buy which they paid £6mil to not do. So I suspect maths might be about the same in the end.
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In hindsight (not signing Asensio) signing Grealish would have been a sensible option for on and off-pitch reasons.
But he's definitely not an Emery player - Unai doesn't even want players to shoot from outside the box, let alone do the stuff Grealish can do.
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Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.
I admire your optimism but that is 4 years ago. Like when Stoke beat us to the Michael Owen signature I thought he won't play a dozen games
Sancho is 25. A bit of difference than getting the broken down end of career Michael Owen Stoke got.
Sancho reminds me more of Dele Ali. Burst onto the scene at a young age and then didn't progress and actually started going backwards.
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Let's be honest the expectations are low so worse he can do is be as bad as we think he will be.
Shame we couldn't Mainoo instead
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This is not a guy you need when the chips are down along with morale.
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This is not a guy you need when the chips are down along with morale.
on the face of it no . but you hope that these guys will know what to do with him
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In hindsight (not signing Asensio) signing Grealish would have been a sensible option for on and off-pitch reasons.
But he's definitely not an Emery player - Unai doesn't even want players to shoot from outside the box, let alone do the stuff Grealish can do.
If the salaries/costs are in the same ballpark, we should have definitely got Grealish back. The shirt sales, publicity and vibes would be a lot better, especially as it looks like Grealish has still got it.
The positive with Sancho is that he has appeared in European finals in the last 2 seasons.
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I'm assuming zero fee for Sancho while Everton have paid a significant loan fee for Grealish.
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Grealish would have given the entire club, including the dressing room, a lift when we badly needed it. It's not even about the assists. Everton were so bad v Leeds, like way worse than even us v Brentford. He starts the next day and gives every other player around him a lift from his first touch. He has a presence about him. He's like the player Sancho think he is, if you separate heart, courage etc
It's an act of self sabotage not to have brought him back and instead piss away money on this clown.
He hadn't "left" Everton players several seasons earlier. We have seen this week that our players don't seem to like players who seem to be abandoning them.
But I was mainly picking up that Moyes is given him
freedom of play AND telling other players to make runs when he has the ball and he is not in a rigid style of play like under Pep. Which managers style do you think Emery is closer too?
Grealish was a very popular player when at the club. He went with the best wishes of the likes of McGinn and Mings and banked the club 100m. It isn't comparable in the slightest to Martinez.
Emery has given Rogers a similar license in the first few games. Grealish is the perfect fit for our system under Emery. His ability to keep the ball high up the pitch is helping Everton no end and would have done the same for Watkins and Rogers neither of whom could trap a bag of sand currently. Monumental fuck up not to have brought him back.
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Grealish would have given the entire club, including the dressing room, a lift when we badly needed it. It's not even about the assists. Everton were so bad v Leeds, like way worse than even us v Brentford. He starts the next day and gives every other player around him a lift from his first touch. He has a presence about him. He's like the player Sancho think he is, if you separate heart, courage etc
It's an act of self sabotage not to have brought him back and instead piss away money on this clown.
He hadn't "left" Everton players several seasons earlier. We have seen this week that our players don't seem to like players who seem to be abandoning them.
But I was mainly picking up that Moyes is given him
freedom of play AND telling other players to make runs when he has the ball and he is not in a rigid style of play like under Pep. Which managers style do you think Emery is closer too?
Grealish was a very popular player when at the club. He went with the best wishes of the likes of McGinn and Mings and banked the club 100m. It isn't comparable in the slightest to Martinez.
Emery has given Rogers a similar license in the first few games. Grealish is the perfect fit for our system under Emery. His ability to keep the ball high up the pitch is helping Everton no end and would have done the same for Watkins and Rogers neither of whom could trap a bag of sand currently. Monumental fuck up not to have brought him back.
Have to agree but I’ve never carried the hatred for Grealish that some others do
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Monumental fuck up not to have brought him back.
So you keep on saying even though I can't see Grealish being used any differently under Emery then he was at Citeh under Pep. To compare him to Rogers who Emery dotes on and seems to see no wrong in at all no matter how poor he plays (I wonder how much that is pissing off other squad players) also seems off.
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Not sure what thread - but if Emi was going to man city, it wouldn't be as bad (and understandable) as heading off to the mess that is man utd... it's money, not football driving his decision.
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Did we pay a loan fee for Rashford? You can see why Yanited would want all wages covered for their wantaways if clubs are spooked by how high they are plus having to pay a loan fee on top.
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Monumental fuck up not to have brought him back.
So you keep on saying even though I can't see Grealish being used any differently under Emery then he was at Citeh under Pep. To compare him to Rogers who Emery dotes on and seems to see no wrong in at all no matter how poor he plays (I wonder how much that is pissing off other squad players) also seems off.
There's a big difference as Guardiola wanted his wingers to hug the touchline. Emery doesn't even play with wingers most of the time! Grealish could easily do that role Ramsey did for us on the left or closer to Watkins where Buendia came on last night.
Agreed on the Emery/Rogers dynamic. Every manager has a favourite or two but Emery isnt doing Rogers any favours of late. Subbing Buendia off again before Rogers at Brentford was piss poor.
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I'm in the Grealish > Sancho camp too.
By a million fucking miles.
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I'd have loved Grealish back. Bronte's right, the players and the atmosphere would never have been that flat with him in the side. There would have been a fraction of some never forgiving but he'd have won them over once he was flying past players and assists would have been happening.
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I'm in the Grealish > Sancho camp too.
By a million fucking miles.
I am in that camp. I am also in the neither are a good fit for us.
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That sound you hear is the bottom of the barrel being scraped. Not only is he a poor excuse for a footballer, his attitude completely stinks, too much money too young and he doesn't give a shit. My only doubt with Sancho is which current Villa player will be involved in a punch up with him at Bodymoor Heath.
Konsa, McGinn, Mings - evens.
Buendia - 2/1
Onana - 4/1
Martinez - 6/1
Malen - 8/1
Pako Ayestarán - 10/1
The whole squad and coaching team kicking the shit out of him (my favourite) - 25/1
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Fuck Grealish coming back.
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Fuck Grealish coming back.
Agree.
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Has sancho got pace?
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When did Sancho last have a decent season?
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Fuck Grealish coming back.
Never happening now anyway. We just got to pray sancho doesnt cause any damage to the dressing room ans that somehow he turns into a player under unais guidance
I dont like or want him but will welcome him and give him as chance as we did with rash
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That sound you hear is the bottom of the barrel being scraped. Not only is he a poor excuse for a footballer, his attitude completely stinks, too much money too young and he doesn't give a shit. My only doubt with Sancho is which current Villa player will be involved in a punch up with him at Bodymoor Heath.
Konsa, McGinn, Mings - evens.
Buendia - 2/1
Onana - 4/1
Martinez - 6/1
Malen - 8/1
Pako Ayestarán - 10/1
The whole squad and coaching team kicking the shit out of him (my favourite) - 25/1
Konsa and Onana? Id give Sancho some credit getting stuck into those two.
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🚨 NEW: Marcus Rashford played a role in convincing Jadon Sancho to move to Aston Villa.
@GraemeBailey
Keep your gob shut next time
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That sound you hear is the bottom of the barrel being scraped. Not only is he a poor excuse for a footballer, his attitude completely stinks, too much money too young and he doesn't give a shit. My only doubt with Sancho is which current Villa player will be involved in a punch up with him at Bodymoor Heath.
Konsa, McGinn, Mings - evens.
Buendia - 2/1
Onana - 4/1
Martinez - 6/1
Malen - 8/1
Pako Ayestarán - 10/1
The whole squad and coaching team kicking the shit out of him (my favourite) - 25/1
Konsa and Onana? Id give Sancho some credit getting stuck into those two.
Nah. It would be a sneaky punch from behind like the Nose did on Grealish at the Sty.
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🚨 NEW: Marcus Rashford played a role in convincing Jadon Sancho to move to Aston Villa.
@GraemeBailey
Keep your gob shut next time
It has been a shit 24 hours for football but there a few good comments on here that have made me chuckle
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When did Sancho last have a decent season?
When did he last have a decent game?
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He scored a goal in a European final last season, hopefully he can repeat that trick for us.
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He scored a goal in a European final last season, hopefully he can repeat that trick for us.
Maatsen, Malen and Sancho all involved in the 2024 CL final, as well.
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I'm in the Grealish > Sancho camp too.
By a million fucking miles.
I am in that camp. I am also in the neither are a good fit for us.
spot on
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Surprised he had so many appearances for Chelsea last season.
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He is part of a squad that got into the Champions League and helped to win the World Cup for clubs. He has that on a CV. I hope it lifts up to that tag rather than proving to be a wanker. On the odd occasion I saw him play last year he looked quite quick. And a bit tricky. I hope he brings that to us.
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When did Sancho last have a decent season?
Wasn’t he good with Dortmund last season
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Have to say, I’ve got Rashford vibes with this one
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Have to say, I’ve got Rashford vibes with this one
That’s good then, isn’t it?
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Sancho is obviously very talented, but he has failed to show it on a regular basis for a number of years now. Glimpses, yes, but nothing more.
However, two things in my mind that I'm clinging to:
1. The last forward we loaned from Man Utd with a 'problematic' reputation did pretty well for us with a bit of Unai guidance.
2. It's a World Cup year, and he'll be 26 when it rolls around, smack bang in the prime years for a wide forward, so if he's not motivated to really turn it on this season, he never will be.
I'm a bit surprised we've gone in for him (like many), but as always, I trust Unai and his team if they think he can add something to the side that we weren't getting from Bailey.
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Did Sancho and Maatsen ever coincide and link-up sexily on the left?
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Did Sancho and Maatsen ever coincide and link-up sexily on the left?
They both played in the side that got to the champions league semi in 2024, but on opposite sides. Sancho played off the right for Dortmund.
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Have to say, I’ve got Rashford vibes with this one
That’s good then, isn’t it?
I hope so, mate
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Be delighted if he is as good as Rashford.
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The last time Sancho played with Maatsen was the European Cup final, with a certain Malen occupying the bench.
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Desperation signing if ever there was one.
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"Villa Park to be renamed 'Aston Priory' in recognition of the work done to rehabilitate fallen footballers (notably, those from the North-West)".
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Sancho was excellent in the season before last on loan at Dortmund. Also played 40 odd games last season at Chelsea. Warming to him with Emery’s coaching
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🚨 NEW: Marcus Rashford played a role in convincing Jadon Sancho to move to Aston Villa.
@GraemeBailey
Keep your gob shut next time
That made me laugh. Only thing you can do with this.
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Sancho was excellent in the season before last on loan at Dortmund. Also played 40 odd games last season at Chelsea. Warming to him with Emery’s coaching
5 goals and 10 assists in 41 at Chelsea is good on paper as well. Again he wouldn't have been on my list but he's only been truly terrible for Man Utd, and they've funeraled enough players in the last decade for that to not worry me too much.
Same goes for Lindelof.
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Assists don't count.
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Assists don't count.
Well quite. The way our forwards are right now, what was an assist for Chelsea would be a ball across the box with no one on the end of it for us, or end in a tame backpass to the keeper.
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What the hell is all this “should’ve bought Grealish back” talk about?
Big Keinan scored for Udinese at the weekend, should we bring him back too given our lack of goals?
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It's possible we didn't have the option, anyway.
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What the hell is all this “should’ve bought Grealish back” talk about?
Big Keinan scored for Udinese at the weekend, should we bring him back too given our lack of goals?
Compared to bringing in this lad and paying 80 percent of his £250k per week wages, I'd do that deal, aye.
Some of the senior players may have been a bit miffed when we bought in Rashford and his mental overheads in Jan, when we were playing poormouth the rest of the time. You didn't have to go as far back to a time when Rashford was actually good to justify that one, mind.
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What the hell is all this “should’ve bought Grealish back” talk about?
Big Keinan scored for Udinese at the weekend, should we bring him back too given our lack of goals?
Yes!
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Has he signed or do we still have time to send him back and thank Man U for pissing us about with Emi?
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What the hell is all this “should’ve bought Grealish back” talk about?
Big Keinan scored for Udinese at the weekend, should we bring him back too given our lack of goals?
Yes!
What he hasn't said is that he got injured getting into his car after the match.
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If we had a vote on here right now between taking Jack or Sancho on loan for the rest of the season, I think we all know which way it would go.
Sancho has a lot to prove, as he's failed to impress for Man Utd, Chelsea and arguably, England too.
Why is a move to Villa going to be any different.... It's not like our current playstyle is set up to showcase wing play is it. ☹️
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Did he sign or not ?
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So we paid a fee aswell as 80% wages. Wow
Monchi never learns does he. Panic signing at its best
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Hardly anything confirmed yet, not just us.
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The deal sheet went in at 6.11pm according to the fax machine receipt
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People say they would prefer Grealish over Sancho, and I completely agree but that is easy to just say. Everton have agreed to pay 50 mil next season for someone who will be 31 and on god knows what a week. There aren't many teams in Europe who would have agreed that considering his recent form.
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People say they would prefer Grealish over Sancho, and I completely agree but that is easy to just say. Everton have agreed to pay 50 mil next season for someone who will be 31 and on god knows what a week. There aren't many teams in Europe who would have agreed that considering his recent form.
I think they can choose to pay £50m if they think it's worth it.
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People say they would prefer Grealish over Sancho, and I completely agree but that is easy to just say. Everton have agreed to pay 50 mil next season for someone who will be 31 and on god knows what a week. There aren't many teams in Europe who would have agreed that considering his recent form.
I think they can choose to pay £50m if they think it's worth it.
If it's not obligatory then my bad, I thought it was.
Edit: just going to shoot myself for actually using 'my bad', apologies.
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Surely even Everton wouldn't be stupid enough to spend 50m on a 31 year old Grealish?
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Surely even Everton wouldn't be stupid enough to spend 50m on a 31 year old Grealish?
If we had agreed to this deal it's exactly the sort of thing that would have caused certain posters, who have spent much of today moaning that we didn't sign Grealish, to moan like fuck.
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It’s done
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I am 100% on the Sanchwagon. I really do believe he's going to prove everyone wrong. I know it.
The Sanch 8)
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I'm comfortable with it. Third on the preference list for Man Utd misfit wingers, but at least he's an actual winger which is better than us playing people who aren't wingers there.
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A fair point. As a wingers supporter, I'll definitely give him a chance. More positive about it now than I was when I started this thread, after a few hours thinking about it. (It was either that or spend the time working).
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Well he has something to prove and has worked well with Malen before, so fingers crossed he engages his brain and realises this is a great opportunity for him.
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Adds depth to the squad.
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If it all goes well, he could even be our best ever player to have a surname starting with "Sanch".
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I'll give him a chance, just one though. First mistake and he's in for it.
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I'll give him a chance, just one though. First mistake and he's in for it.
If he says "roundabout" instead of "island", he can fuck right off.
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Hopefully he has a better debut than Guessand.
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If it all goes well, he could even be our best ever player to have a surname starting with "Sanch".
Plus 'Sancho Villa' has a nice ring to it.
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Hopefully he doesn't turn out to be a Don Qui.
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Oh, hang on, I don't approve of this behaviour. Apologies.
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A glimpse of what the Sanchmeister can do:
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Lazy waster who'll throw a strop when he inevitably gets hooked for being a lazy waster.
Welcome.
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I'll give him a chance, just one though. First mistake and he's in for it.
If he says "roundabout" instead of "island", he can fuck right off.
Exactly. Give him a chance at first though - invite him in to your mum's, offer him a buttered bap and make sure he doen't run off down an alleyway.
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I'll give him a chance, just one though. First mistake and he's in for it.
If he says "roundabout" instead of "island", he can fuck right off.
Exactly. Give him a chance at first though - invite him in to your mum's, offer him a buttered bap and make sure he doen't run off down an alleyway.
Lovejoy was right about you.
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Hahahahahahahaha
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Lazy waster who'll throw a strop when he inevitably gets hooked for being a lazy waster.
Welcome.
Everybody and his Uncle knows what he's trying to do is tread the same path Rashford did, that's to get his career back on track then try and bounce on to another club that he wants to play at, on the positive side providing we get a good season out of him, a few goals along the way, that's the best we can look for.
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I guess it could be worse, we could have gone for Delle Alli
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Lazy waster who'll throw a strop when he inevitably gets hooked for being a lazy waster.
Welcome.
Everybody and his Uncle knows what he's trying to do is tread the same path Rashford did, that's to get his career back on track then try and bounce on to another club that he wants to play at, on the positive side providing we get a good season out of him, a few goals along the way, that's the best we can look for.
If the result is that Barcelona sign him next summer that would suggest that he won't have had the disastrous season that is being predicted, no?
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Lazy waster who'll throw a strop when he inevitably gets hooked for being a lazy waster.
Welcome.
Everybody and his Uncle knows what he's trying to do is tread the same path Rashford did, that's to get his career back on track then try and bounce on to another club that he wants to play at, on the positive side providing we get a good season out of him, a few goals along the way, that's the best we can look for.
If the result is that Barcelona sign him next summer that would suggest that he won't have had the disastrous season that is being predicted, no?
I’d take that. I want to see him lifting the World Cup next year alongside Ollie, Rogers and Konsa. Preferably with Emi sat on his arse with that rueful grin he does when he’s just let in a howler.
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If it all goes well, he could even be our best ever player to have a surname starting with "Sanch".
Plus 'Sancho Villa' has a nice ring to it.
Haha, very good!
My son's German team is Dortmund (he was verboten by me from following Bayern) and when Sancho was there, he was his favourite player. Anyone who tries to rewrite his time there as "not that good" is being disingenuous, he was superb. Shame he went to the Old Trafford career graveyard.
One thing that puzzles me a bit though, is: Sancho prefers playing on the right. Elliott prefers playing on the right. Guessand prefers playing on the right. Malen prefers playing on the right. Not sure how this all fits together.
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Lazy waster who'll throw a strop when he inevitably gets hooked for being a lazy waster.
Welcome.
Everybody and his Uncle knows what he's trying to do is tread the same path Rashford did, that's to get his career back on track then try and bounce on to another club that he wants to play at, on the positive side providing we get a good season out of him, a few goals along the way, that's the best we can look for.
If the result is that Barcelona sign him next summer that would suggest that he won't have had the disastrous season that is being predicted, no?
The point I was making was a spring board to other clubs, Sancho will never play for Barca and yes as mentioned if we get a good season out of him we've done well, point is, IF we do he'll be off.
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If it all goes well, he could even be our best ever player to have a surname starting with "Sanch".
Plus 'Sancho Villa' has a nice ring to it.
Haha, very good!
My son's German team is Dortmund (he was verboten by me from following Bayern) and when Sancho was there, he was his favourite player. Anyone who tries to rewrite his time there as "not that good" is being disingenuous, he was superb. Shame he went to the Old Trafford career graveyard.
One thing that puzzles me a bit though, is: Sancho prefers playing on the right. Elliott prefers playing on the right. Guessand prefers playing on the right. Malen prefers playing on the right. Not sure how this all fits together.
Well at least Cash might find one of them
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If it all goes well, he could even be our best ever player to have a surname starting with "Sanch".
Plus 'Sancho Villa' has a nice ring to it.
Haha, very good!
My son's German team is Dortmund (he was verboten by me from following Bayern) and when Sancho was there, he was his favourite player. Anyone who tries to rewrite his time there as "not that good" is being disingenuous, he was superb. Shame he went to the Old Trafford career graveyard.
One thing that puzzles me a bit though, is: Sancho prefers playing on the right. Elliott prefers playing on the right. Guessand prefers playing on the right. Malen prefers playing on the right. Not sure how this all fits together.
Well at least Cash might find one of them
Sadly the patented Cash Cutback (R) and Pass (TM) only seems to find our centre backs, or opposition players.
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Ill back him and lindelof even though i think they are terirble signings
At least he will add some pace to our tortoise slow midfield
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Maybe Sancho thinks Unai will get him back in the England squad like he did with Rashford.
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Lazy waster who'll throw a strop when he inevitably gets hooked for being a lazy waster.
Welcome.
Everybody and his Uncle knows what he's trying to do is tread the same path Rashford did, that's to get his career back on track then try and bounce on to another club that he wants to play at, on the positive side providing we get a good season out of him, a few goals along the way, that's the best we can look for.
If the result is that Barcelona sign him next summer that would suggest that he won't have had the disastrous season that is being predicted, no?
The point I was making was a spring board to other clubs, Sancho will never play for Barca and yes as mentioned if we get a good season out of him we've done well, point is, IF we do he'll be off.
I understand your point, I just don't really see your hypothetical as a criticism.
Let's say as an absolute worst-case scenario (attitude-wise, towards us) that right now his thoughts are "I'm too good for this bunch of shits, I'm going to own them, be their best player and resurrect my career next season somewhere better. But that will only happen if I go out and be their best player".
Then good luck to him, if he manages it, then great.
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If it all goes well, he could even be our best ever player to have a surname starting with "Sanch".
Plus 'Sancho Villa' has a nice ring to it.
Haha, very good!
My son's German team is Dortmund (he was verboten by me from following Bayern) and when Sancho was there, he was his favourite player. Anyone who tries to rewrite his time there as "not that good" is being disingenuous, he was superb. Shame he went to the Old Trafford career graveyard.
One thing that puzzles me a bit though, is: Sancho prefers playing on the right. Elliott prefers playing on the right. Guessand prefers playing on the right. Malen prefers playing on the right. Not sure how this all fits together.
Sancho and OGS made clear at Man United that his favoured position was on the left. Which seemed odd given they had spent about 18 months tracking him to play on the right. Certainly he played on the left with Chelsea. He definitely isn't the classic PL winger that many expect, get to the byline and whip in crosses Not particularly quick but he is technically very good. But no way he fits the midfield four setup and like you I don't see any system that accommodates those four.
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I guess it could be worse, we could have gone for Delle Alli
Still only 29
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Not particularly quick but he is technically very good. But no way he fits the midfield four setup and like you I don't see any system that accommodates those four.
The odd thing is that (a bit like Rashford) he should be ideal in Amorim's 3-4-3 on one side of the striker.
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We’ve played 433 a fair few times under Emery, is this his thinking?
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Done deal. Welcome.
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Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
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Signed. Welcome to the club Jadon.
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Be good please.
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Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
How do we know he didn’t want to sign permanently?
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Welcome, be brilliant please.
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Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
I doubt we want/were able to do a permanent deal.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GzyaXG8WQAAV755?format=jpg)
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He looks happy to be here, which is always a good start.
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GzycrD3WgAADHxz?format=jpg&name=small)
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He looks happy.
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Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
Actually happy about that. It would bw a complete waste of money
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Unai needs to get a top that fits better
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Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
I doubt we want/were able to do a permanent deal.
Rumour was a swap deal for emi
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Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
Actually happy about that. It would bw a complete waste of money
Agreed
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As a casual Dortmund fan as well I loved Sancho and was gutted he went to united. If he can get anywhere near his Dortmund form we have got a great player on our hands.
However I'm not convinced he still has it in him but hope to be proved wrong.
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Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
I doubt we want/were able to do a permanent deal.
Rumour was a swap deal for emi
That couldn’t have worked as we would have been short a keeper.
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As a casual Dortmund fan as well I loved Sancho and was gutted he went to united. If he can get anywhere near his Dortmund form we have got a great player on our hands.
However I'm not convinced he still has it in him but hope to be proved wrong.
I watched a fair bit of him when he was in his first spell at Dortmund, he was very, very good, but from memory seemed to play in an inside forward sort of area rather than a touchline hugging winger. Like Malen.
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Giving me Scott Sinclair vibes.
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Giving me Scott Sinclair vibes.
Swansea-era Sinclair would be fine. Another player who was ruined after being acquired by Man City as a plaything.
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As a casual Dortmund fan as well I loved Sancho and was gutted he went to united. If he can get anywhere near his Dortmund form we have got a great player on our hands.
However I'm not convinced he still has it in him but hope to be proved wrong.
I watched a fair bit of him when he was in his first spell at Dortmund, he was very, very good, but from memory seemed to play in an inside forward sort of area rather than a touchline hugging winger. Like Malen.
Again I’m wondering if this is going to be our approach, especially when teams park the bus, Ollie in the middle with two inside forwards in Sancho and Malen?
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Get plenty of assists please.
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I think we need someone to play wide, at least until Torres is back in the team and in form. We have been best when we play vertical forward passes. Torres>Kamara>Youri>Rogers then create from there. But like last night, when teams crowd that area and pressurise us when receiving the ball, we lose it or have to go backward as there is no one offering a wide pass option. If we've borrowed Sancho to play where Malen does, that is a questionable use of resource.
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His highlights reel from last season is surprisingly good.
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Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
I doubt we want/were able to do a permanent deal.
Rumour was a swap deal for emi
Everything yesterday was that we take him on loan but the loan fee would be covered from the Emi fee. I definitely didn't read anything he was anymore then a loan signing with a purchase next year maybe.
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Welcome to Aston Villa Jadon.
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Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
I doubt we want/were able to do a permanent deal.
Rumour was a swap deal for emi
Everything yesterday was that we take him on loan but the loan fee would be covered from the Emi fee. I definitely didn't read anything he was anymore then a loan signing with a purchase next year maybe.
Well that last bit is definitely not true, if we want to keep him it'll just be a case of offering him a contract because this is his Man U contract is up next summer.
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31 appearances for chelsea.
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ManU have the option to extend his contract a year, reportedly.
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Well that last bit is definitely not true, if we want to keep him it'll just be a case of offering him a contract because this is his Man U contract is up next summer.
Yeah, there would have been no sense for anyone (apart from Man Utd) in making this a permanent thing now.
He might as well keep his options as open as possible for next summer and based on the last few years we'd be silly to commit to anything more than a year so we can test where he.
If he's better than most peope expect of him, then I imagine we'll be happy to keep him and he'll decide whether us or Dortmund is where his future lies. If he's not, I guess he heads back to Germany, somewhere not as good as Dortmund.
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31 appearances for chelsea.
41 with FA cup and Europe.
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Well that last bit is definitely not true, if we want to keep him it'll just be a case of offering him a contract because this is his Man U contract is up next summer.
Yeah, there would have been no sense for anyone (apart from Man Utd) in making this a permanent thing now.
He might as well keep his options as open as possible for next summer and based on the last few years we'd be silly to commit to anything more than a year so we can test where he.
If he's better than most peope expect of him, then I imagine we'll be happy to keep him and he'll decide whether us or Dortmund is where his future lies. If he's not, I guess he heads back to Germany, somewhere not as good as Dortmund.
Or ManU take up the extension option.
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I read somewhere that Chelsea were actually happy to sign him on a perm but couldn't agree terms with him after his loan period ended. Not sure how true that is, could they have been more than £5m apart (the penalty fee Chelsea had to pay ManUre for sending him back) ?
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Well that last bit is definitely not true, if we want to keep him it'll just be a case of offering him a contract because this is his Man U contract is up next summer.
Yeah, there would have been no sense for anyone (apart from Man Utd) in making this a permanent thing now.
He might as well keep his options as open as possible for next summer and based on the last few years we'd be silly to commit to anything more than a year so we can test where he.
If he's better than most peope expect of him, then I imagine we'll be happy to keep him and he'll decide whether us or Dortmund is where his future lies. If he's not, I guess he heads back to Germany, somewhere not as good as Dortmund.
Or ManU take up the extension option.
It's hard to see the circumstances under which they'd want to though, surely?
If he scores 30 goals for us, then perhaps they do it in the hope of extracting a small transfer fee rather than letting him just pick and choose. Or if they sack Amorim and bring in whoever the Dortmund manager who got the best out of him. Beyond that though...
Anywhere on the quality spectrum of "really bad" all the way up to "good, much better than expected", they're unlikely to want to sign up for another 12 months of £250,000 per week when they've spent most of the last three years trying to get rid of him.
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They've clearly kept the extension option in the hope of extracting a fee if he does well. If he wins Villa Player of the Year they'll probably negotiate a transfer fee with us and extend his contract at the same time. Even if he does sort of okay, they might think that he's worth retaining as they'll make more in a subsequent loan fee than they will pay out in wages even if nobody pays 100% of his salary.
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If we want him and he wants to come they may take up the option, charge us say 20m which we're prepared to pay and they get gree money. If no one wants him then unless they think they'll make more in loan fees than his wages then they are highly unlikely to extend it. A lot depends on how he does, but we can't dismiss it as a potential option that will happen.
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Just remember folks that as soon as players get out of the toxic atmosphere that is Old Trafford they immediately improve or, at least, recover their form....Rashford, McTominay and even Antony as recent evidence. And wasn't that the case with that Irish centre half we picked up from them in 1989?
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Put it this way, it's us in their situation. The player we sent on loan does well and that club want to sign him. Do you want us to say cheerio and get nothing, or work on an agreement where we extend the contract and they get the player a decent amount cheaper than market value and we get some free money?
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If we want him and he wants to come they may take up the option, charge us say 20m which we're prepared to pay and they get gree money.
And we say "actually we're not paying you anything, we'll move on to other targets thanks", and they've signed up for another year of paying Jadon Sancho.
Of course it's not impossible. But in much the same way as if we'd had the option to extend Countinho's contract by a year, we probably didn't need to spend too much time wondering on here whether we planned to extend it in the hope of getting a transfer fee for him.
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Sancho may attract more attention on the back of a good season and being younger/less broken than Coutinho.
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I read somewhere that Chelsea were actually happy to sign him on a perm but couldn't agree terms with him after his loan period ended. Not sure how true that is, could they have been more than £5m apart (the penalty fee Chelsea had to pay ManUre for sending him back) ?
I think it is true to be fair. I saw very little of Chelsea last season bar our games but reports on his performances were generally positive. I can also see why Chelsea would have prioritised the likes of Neto over him. But Chelsea were setup perfectly for him, a team that like to own the ball. If he truly cared about his career he would have gone there permanently.
Afterwards he couldn't agree terms with Roma, odd really as Gasperini again would have suited him. They moved onto Bailey.
So why he now thinks, desperation aside, that he could fit with Emery is very odd for both parties. We don't really play with wingers as Malen's struggles highlight. But he could be very useful against a low block, the type we have been utterly clueless against in recent weeks. A bit of a poor man's Grealish but he does have an excellent touch, nice weight of pass and is very skilful. He's one of those that's quicker with the ball than without and will need an overlapping full back outside him.
It's a classic deadline day signing, the kind of business you hoped we were past even considering. Sometimes they work I guess but chances of this one are low enough.
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There will be months for the clubs to negotiate it, if they want to. If he does really well we aren't going to say, no thanks we aren't paying 15m, we'll go and sign someone who may not settle for 40m.
It really doesn't matter if anyone thinks it's likely to happen or not, it's still an option that could happen.
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Sancho may attract more attention on the back of a good season and being younger/less broken than Coutinho.
He might, but if he's seeing his contract extended then it's his current terms that are in play, not those that "free agent, Jadon Sancho would be in a position to negotiate for himself.
Jadon Sancho on a free transfer and no £250k per week contract to meet? Plenty of takers I imagine. Jadon Sancho signed for a transfer fee with a £250k weekly wage? I'm optimistic for his time with us, but that strikes me as not something to lose much sleep over.
I mean, I'm all for it. If we're willing to pay Man Utd a transfer fee and offer Sancho loads more in wages than we would if he were joining us (or anyone else) on a free then it suggests he's just come off one of the most spectcular seasons imaginable.
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It really doesn't matter if anyone thinks it's likely to happen or not, it's still an option that could happen.
Sure, if you like. Maybe something will happen that means Man Utd will decide to pay a player they've been trying to force out their club for the last three years another £13m that they don't have to.
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Having watched the highlights reel, I'm more hopeful. Genuinely can't remember seeing him play a game aside from Chelsea highlights. If Emery can get the best from him, he could be amazing I guess. Reasons to be optimistic.
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It really doesn't matter if anyone thinks it's likely to happen or not, it's still an option that could happen.
Sure, if you like. Maybe something will happen that means Man Utd will decide to pay a player they've been trying to force out their club for the last three years another £13m that they don't have to.
Again, the clubs will have time to negotiate that scenario. Should they want to. His loan will have long finished before they have to extend the contract.
He may be shit and it's never an option and ManU can't bin him off fast enough and neither can we, he may be very good and it is then an option for them to explore. We may say "yes, 10m we'll do that to guarantee him", or "no thanks we'll take our chances". They'd be insane not to try, although it's ManU so anything is possible.
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It really doesn't matter if anyone thinks it's likely to happen or not, it's still an option that could happen.
Sure, if you like. Maybe something will happen that means Man Utd will decide to pay a player they've been trying to force out their club for the last three years another £13m that they don't have to.
Again, the clubs will have time to negotiate that scenario. Should they want to. His loan will have long finished before they have to extend the contract.
He may be shit and it's never an option and ManU can't bin him off fast enough and neither can we, he may be very good and it is then an option for them to explore. We may say "yes, 10m we'll do that to guarantee him", or "no thanks we'll take our chances". They'd be insane not to try, although it's ManU so anything is possible.
His loan ends on the same day as his contract, June 30th, because that's how the registration system is setup.
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I meant his playing time.
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If we want him and he wants to come they may take up the option, charge us say 20m which we're prepared to pay and they get gree money.
And we say "actually we're not paying you anything, we'll move on to other targets thanks", and they've signed up for another year of paying Jadon Sancho.
Of course it's not impossible. But in much the same way as if we'd had the option to extend Countinho's contract by a year, we probably didn't need to spend too much time wondering on here whether we planned to extend it in the hope of getting a transfer fee for him.
No, because the loaning club were only paying a fraction of his salary. Had the situation been more like Sancho, where we would likely get more money by retaining a player than letting him go, we would probably have done so.
If it becomes obvious they'll make more money by retaining him, why would they not do so? The only risk would be if they choose to extend his contract then he has a catastrophic loss of form or injury and they're lumbered with him. But I see no reason why they couldn't wait until twenty minutes before his contract expires before exercising their option, just in case.
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We'll realistically know by spring if he's someone we want to keep or not. If he's very good until then, a drop off won't change much. Neither will if he's crap until March and has 2 good months to end. The only variable is injuries, as it's us I predict November for his head falling off.
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We can say nowt, ManU can either gamble and extend hoping someone will pay, or let it lapse and get him off the books. We have. A year to plan what we want to do.
Anyway, his first interview is interesting.
Jadon Sancho says he was inspired to join Aston Villa by Unai Emery’s plans for the club this season.
The 25-year-old completed a season-long loan from Manchester United on Deadline Day and now aims to help Villa fight on four fronts in the campaign ahead.
Positive dialogue with Emery was a key factor in Sancho’s decision to move to B6.
“When I spoke to the manager he gave me belief and confidence,” he said during his first interview with VillaTV.
“He showed me the plan of what they want to achieve this year and it really inspired me.
“He definitely persuaded me, and I can’t wait to work under him.”
Sancho brings plenty of talent and experience to the Villa squad after representing a number of Europe’s top clubs in his career to date.
He scored in the final to help Chelsea lift the UEFA Europa Conference League last season, and he’s keen to challenge for more honours during his time as a Villan
“As a player and especially as a team, we have to be achieving big things,” he said.
“We have to be looking towards that, and hopefully I can help the team to achieve some of those goals.
“The team comes first, so whenever the manager needs me I’ll be ready.”
Sancho added: “I’ve got individual goals, but my main goal is for the team.
“Achieving something as a team is much more special than individually.
“I feel like all players have individual goals, but the team always comes first.
“I’ll be looking to achieve goals with the team firstA familiar face and former teammate was waiting to greet him on arrival at Bodymoor Heath, with Victor Lindelöf having signed earlier on Monday.
Sancho also knows Tyrone Mings, Ezri Konsa, Morgan Rogers, Ian Maatsen and Donyell Malen, having played alongside them internationally and domestically.
The winger believes those bonds will help him settle quickly into a club which received a glowing reference from Marcus Rashford, who enjoyed a positive spell in claret and blue last term.
Sancho said: “I spoke to him while he was here last season and I know he really enjoyed it.
“He said so many lovely things about the club, like how it’s a family and you feel that friendly environment with great players and staff.
“I definitely felt that as I came in.”
I do wonder whether what we read about him is true. He gets a tough time from the press, and maybe they just have something against him, as they did with Sterling.
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If we want him and he wants to come they may take up the option, charge us say 20m which we're prepared to pay and they get gree money.
And we say "actually we're not paying you anything, we'll move on to other targets thanks", and they've signed up for another year of paying Jadon Sancho.
Of course it's not impossible. But in much the same way as if we'd had the option to extend Countinho's contract by a year, we probably didn't need to spend too much time wondering on here whether we planned to extend it in the hope of getting a transfer fee for him.
No, because the loaning club were only paying a fraction of his salary. Had the situation been more like Sancho, where we would likely get more money by retaining a player than letting him go, we would probably have done so.
If it becomes obvious they'll make more money by retaining him, why would they not do so? The only risk would be if they choose to extend his contract then he has a catastrophic loss of form or injury and they're lumbered with him. But I see no reason why they couldn't wait until twenty minutes before his contract expires before exercising their option, just in case.
Because they are then making a commitment to paying him another £13m that they can avoid. And the whole plan is predicated on them receiving a transfer fee that they might not receive.
And from the player's position, every pound that Man Utd are receiving is a pound that he could be receiving instead. So in PWS's example above, where Villa and Man Utd negotiate a transfer fee (meaning we have less money to pay Sancho) ahead of time, why would Sancho agree to this? He has no say on Man Utd extending his contract, but he doesn't have to agree to the terms we then offer him.
I think we can all agree that any future contract Sancho signs will be for less money than he currently gets. So if we (or anyone else) could offer him £150k per week on a free transfer or £100k if we've had to pay a transfer fee, why would the player himself agree to the version where some of his potential money goes back to Man Utd? You just shrug, take your £250-300k per week, probably go out on loan again and roll your dice in summer 2027 having banked another £13m from Man Utd.
And even if that isn't what you want to do, it's quite clearly what you tell Man Utd that you're going to do.
So yes, Man Utd have the right to extend his contract. And sure, if it "becomes obvious they'll make more money by retaining him" then they will.
But the circumstances in which that is the case are so vanishingly small (for all the reasons over the last few posts, but the main one is still obviously that he probably won't actually turn into Mo Salah and have half the league desperate to pay Man Utd a transfer fee) that it's not really something that I personally think is going to be a relevant issue.
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So they will sign him if doing so means they will make more than £13 million in a transfer fee or if the combined amount they can offset in wages plus the value of a loan fee is greater than £13 million.
Fairly straightforward.
I can't see any circumstance where he tears up the league that somebody wouldn't think he was worth paying more than £13 million for, whether it was Villa or someone else.
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I woke up this morning with what was either a mild hangover, a mild cold, or a mix of both. I wasn't in the best of moods - I'd underslept, forgotten to set the alarm and only got up in time to get to work by the grace and precision of my laser-guided body clock, which unerringly pings me awake at the exact point for having both insufficient rest and insufficient time to both shower and have breakfast at home. It goes without saying that it was raining, and as I trudged to work through the early morning tourists and the commuters with their blank haunted faces, I thought of the forgiving example of our lord Jesus Christ, of the Buddha's exhortations to cultivate inner peace, of Confucius' reminding us to avoid hasty judgements.
I then watched the highlights video of Jadon Sancho last season at Chelsea. Goals, skills, assists. Well there weren't a lot of the former, though what there was was good in that way that players against the Villa always seem to have (ping, the ball-missile, the roof of the net) and that Villa players never do (the bobble off the knee, the in-off-the-keeper). There were precious few of the latter too, though once again what was there indicated a guy who knows how to kick a football in the way you only tend to see in a Champions League game you've got on in the background while you pretend to read Beckett.
But of skills there was abundance. Jinking both inside and outside (that's both sides), that thing where his legs go all wavy like like looking at a pencil in water, the other thing where he does a very tiny chip over the sliding defender at full speed, all that shit. And in my new spirit of wisdom and contemplation, I thought, well, I was dead against Rashford when he was arrived and he turned out...pretty good I guess, and you know, who cares if most of that dazzling footwork resulted in him passing square or even losing the ball, and actually let's not think about the fact that footage of him losing the ball made it into his personal highlights of the season.
The point is, let's give him a chance. He looks happy enough in that photo, which as we know is the major indicator of a player's true level of motivation, so why not just sit back and hope it all works out. I'm off to download a mindfulness app.
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So they will sign him if doing so means they will make more than £13 million in a transfer fee or if the combined amount they can offset in wages plus the value of a loan fee is greater than £13 million.
Fairly straightforward.
I can't see any circumstance where he tears up the league that somebody wouldn't think he was worth paying more than £13 million for, whether it was Villa or someone else.
Can you see any circumstances where Sancho says "actually, I'd rather not accept this new salary from a club I'm being pushed towards and I'll just see out another 12 months of contract and choose where I want to go"?
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It's Man United's option, not his. Isn't it?
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I woke up this morning with what was either a mild hangover, a mild cold, or a mix of both. I wasn't in the best of moods - I'd underslept, forgotten to set the alarm and only got up in time to get to work by the grace and precision of my laser-guided body clock, which unerringly pings me awake at the exact point for having both insufficient rest and insufficient time to both shower and have breakfast at home. It goes without saying that it was raining, and as I trudged to work through the early morning tourists and the commuters with their blank haunted faces, I thought of the forgiving example of our lord Jesus Christ, of the Buddha's exhortations to cultivate inner peace, of Confucius' reminding us to avoid hasty judgements.
I then watched the highlights video of Jadon Sancho last season at Chelsea. Goals, skills, assists. Well there weren't a lot of the former, though what there was was good in that way that players against the Villa always seem to have (ping, the ball-missile, the roof of the net) and that Villa players never do (the bobble off the knee, the in-off-the-keeper). There were precious few of the latter too, though once again what was there indicated a guy who knows how to kick a football in the way you only tend to see in a Champions League game you've got on in the background while you pretend to read Beckett.
But of skills there was abundance. Jinking both inside and outside (that's both sides), that thing where his legs go all wavy like like looking at a pencil in water, the other thing where he does a very tiny chip over the sliding defender at full speed, all that shit. And in my new spirit of wisdom and contemplation, I thought, well, I was dead against Rashford when he was arrived and he turned out...pretty good I guess, and you know, who cares if most of that dazzling footwork resulted in him passing square or even losing the ball, and actually let's not think about the fact that footage of him losing the ball made it into his personal highlights of the season.
The point is, let's give him a chance. He looks happy enough in that photo, which as we know is the major indicator of a player's true level of motivation, so why not just sit back and hope it all works out. I'm off to download a mindfulness app.
Om.
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It's Man United's option, not his. Isn't it?
They can extend his contract if they want to and agree to pay him another year of mental wages.
They can't do that and then sell him to another club without his consent to move to that club.
So he banks another year of wages, and moves where he wants for a crazy signing-on fee in summer 2027 instead of doing it in 2026. Particularly given that in this thought experiment, he's coming off a season in which he's lit up the Premier League, so probably isn't the "Chelsea paid to not have to sign him" misfit of recent times.
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For it to happen in my main examples us and ManU, and us and Sancho would all be in agreement before the contract is extended. Maybe Sancho is as happy as a pig in shit, we're in the CL and he really wants to stay. 10m and 150k a week for 4 years is less than we paid for Onana before his wages. There's scenarios where it could happen and more scenarios where it doesn't. It seems pretty simple to accept that both are possibilities.
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It's Man United's option, not his. Isn't it?
They can extend his contract if they want to and agree to pay him another year of mental wages.
They can't do that and then sell him to another club without his consent to move to that club.
So he banks another year of wages, and moves where he wants for a crazy signing-on fee in summer 2027 instead of doing it in 2026. Particularly given that in this thought experiment, he's coming off a season in which he's lit up the Premier League, so probably isn't the "Chelsea paid to not have to sign him" misfit of recent times.
I see what you mean now, ta. I still think they'd probably extend his contract if he's amazing and assume they'll be able to get him to agree to a new deal with a potential suitor which may or may not be Villa.
Hopefully he is amazing, so we find out one way or the other.
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Like Hudson-Odoi who was capped at 18,I think his career wasn't helped by Southgate picking him so often before he was 21.In certain players that can breed a "I know it all attitude" and leave them ill equipped to deal with setbacks.
Is he any better than Malen was my initial reaction .Off to Wiki and in his 3 full seasons at Dortmund ,his goal ratio was better and Malen probably benefited from playing centrally.
And in those 3 seasons,Sancho got more than 1 in 3 whereas Bailey got less than 1 in 4 for Leverkusen.
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Heard this morning that Chelsea needed to exercise their buy option or pay the £5m by the end of June. That’s why they didn’t do it, it was all too hasty and they had other options. If true, that puts a slightly different slant on it than a simple, “he was so unimpressive they’d rather pay 5m than keep him”
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I dunno, could he have got more or less impressive after June?
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Heard this morning that Chelsea needed to exercise their buy option or pay the £5m by the end of June. That’s why they didn’t do it, it was all too hasty and they had other options. If true, that puts a slightly different slant on it than a simple, “he was so unimpressive they’d rather pay 5m than keep him”
My chelsea mate who is a season ticket holder swears by that sancho worked out to be a really decent loan signing. So heres hoping
Didn't want him but will give him full backing now he is here
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I think he’ll be a good signing. His career has been a bit of a disappointment but that’s from a very prodigious start.
His loans to Dortmund and Chelsea have been reasonably successful. His stats are better than Leon Baileys who he replaces in the squad.
His wages are ridiculous but putting money into wages rather than transfer fees makes sense for our current predicament.
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Sancho talking about how Rashford told him the club was a very happy, friendly place, like family, and that he enjoyed his time with us very much
Which on the first beat is nice to hear, but on the second makes me wonder if that is actually a problem. Is Villa just a little too cosy? Are feet touching the floor a bit too much? Is there not enough blood sweat and tears? Are people being worked hard enough?
I don't know. Just that those words made me wonder...
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Well on the basis we’ve finished 7th, 4th, and 6th I’d suggest not.
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Yeah, it's all just platitudes from obscenely wealthy young sportsmen who have done enough media training to know what to say in these types of interviews.
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Nah, Martyn is right, we want a culture where they all hate each other, the boss bans ketchup, plays god and treats them all like shit.
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Yes just to be clear, I can entirely believe it’s a positive culture (last couple of weeks apart). Doesn’t mean it’s “soft”.
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Nah, Martyn is right, we want a culture where they all hate each other, the boss bans ketchup, plays god and treats them all like shit.
He has banned cakes according to McGinn, and banned forcing newbies to sing a song when they sign.
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Banning ketchup is un-English. Death to the infidels.
Oh, no, hang on, I just remembered, ketchup is FUCKING REPULSIVE.
Glory be the ketchup banners.
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Ketchup is the most overrated thing since Steven Gerrard's tackling.
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Banning ketchup is un-English. Death to the infidels.
Oh, no, hang on, I just remembered, ketchup is FUCKING REPULSIVE.
Glory be the ketchup banners.
I knew there were others that hate ketchup as much as me!
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Spot on, Monty.
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Ketchup's fine. But only for children.
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Yep. Children and Americans.
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I make a delicious pineapple and habanero ketchup so you can all fuck off.
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My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with it
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Donald Trump has ketchup on his well-done steaks. That's all you need to know about the sort of people who eat ketchup.
I'm with Stevieen on this occasion.
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I make a delicious pineapple and habanero ketchup so you can all fuck off.
You're confusing ketchup (traditional sauce of unknown origin) with ketchup (ubiquitous industrial scarlet goop).
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Do people still drink tomato juice?
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Do people still drink tomato juice?
Sometimes at the airport. With tabasco. And vodka.
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Do people still drink tomato juice?
Yes, the Bloody Mary is still the most sophisticated breakfast choice after a certain kind of evening.
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Tomato juice up there with marmite 🤮🤮🤮
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Marmite is fantastic. I have no strong opinions on tomato juice.
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Do people still drink tomato juice?
Sometimes at the airport. With tabasco. And vodka.
It's fine in a Bloody Mary/Caesar (no need for the celery stick, lads) but tomato juice on its own isn't particularly appealing.
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I like Marmite and tomato juice too.
Not tried mixing them, but have been known to have a Marmite and sliced tomato sandwich.
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My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with it
I had an uncle, he would turn up for Sunday Lunch, my dad would give him the biggest plate of food, meat vegetables covered in gravy, he would mash it up with his fork and then squirt tomato ketchup all over it , it was disgusting.
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My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with it
I had an uncle, he would turn up for Sunday Lunch, my dad would give him the biggest plate of food, meat vegetables covered in gravy, he would mash it up with his fork and then squirt tomato ketchup all over it , it was disgusting.
One of the lads I shared a house with in college used to squirt ketchup all over his spag bol. He was rightly ridiculed.
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Watching the welcome and first day video, there is no doubt that Sancho looks far more happy about being here than Rashford did on his introduction video.
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My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with it
I had an uncle, he would turn up for Sunday Lunch, my dad would give him the biggest plate of food, meat vegetables covered in gravy, he would mash it up with his fork and then squirt tomato ketchup all over it , it was disgusting.
When I was young I went through a phase of mashing up all my roast together when we had boiled potatos. I used to put mint sauce direct from the jar on rather then ketchup though.
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My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with it
I had an uncle, he would turn up for Sunday Lunch, my dad would give him the biggest plate of food, meat vegetables covered in gravy, he would mash it up with his fork and then squirt tomato ketchup all over it , it was disgusting.
Was he from the North by any chance ( I’m northern myself so no disrespect meant)
But Northerners do have very err… unique tastes and eating habits
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When I was young I went through a phase of mashing up all my roast together when we had boiled potatos. I used to put mint sauce direct from the jar on rather then ketchup though.
Mint sauce is another overrated condiment, even with lamb.
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When I was young I went through a phase of mashing up all my roast together when we had boiled potatos. I used to put mint sauce direct from the jar on rather then ketchup though.
Mint sauce is another overrated condiment, even with lamb.
Love it
Especially on mushy peas ( told you I was Northern)
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Mushy peas should have a bit of mint in them anyway, no?
Otherwise I do like a good mint sauce.
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My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with it
I had an uncle, he would turn up for Sunday Lunch, my dad would give him the biggest plate of food, meat vegetables covered in gravy, he would mash it up with his fork and then squirt tomato ketchup all over it , it was disgusting.
Was he from the North by any chance ( I’m northern myself so no disrespect meant)
But Northerners do have very err… unique tastes and eating habits
Yeah Northfield.
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If you listen to a lot of our ex players (I was watching a sky programme with tiny ears last night), I think there is a difference in mentality compared to some of the bigger clubs. He (by the way it is Benteke) was saying when he arrived at Liverpool it was totally different in the sense it was a 'you have to win' culture.
By the way he loved Villa. And what a specimen he is.
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Mushy peas should have a bit of mint in them anyway, no?
Otherwise I do like a good mint sauce.
Fresh mint works with peas pretty much however you serve them, it's just a pairing that works perfectly (alongside tomato and basil and carrots and paprika).
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I like Marmite and tomato juice too.
Not tried mixing them, but have been known to have a Marmite and sliced tomato sandwich.
The spiced tomato juice (big tom?) - I think aimed at being a mixer with vodka - is pretty nice drunk neat IMO.
Only ever have mint sauce with mushy peas.
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My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with it
I had an uncle, he would turn up for Sunday Lunch, my dad would give him the biggest plate of food, meat vegetables covered in gravy, he would mash it up with his fork and then squirt tomato ketchup all over it , it was disgusting.
Was he single? That kind of shit is just ignorant and disgusting.
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Ketchup is the most overrated thing since Steven Gerrard's tackling.
I’m married to a woman who is a senior executive at Heinz. Imagine my life. It’s ketchup on everything and only Heinz. Please appreciate my pain. It’s not just from watching Villa.
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Ketchup is the most overrated thing since Steven Gerrard's tackling.
I’m married to a woman who is a senior executive at Heinz. Imagine my life. It’s ketchup on everything and only Heinz. Please appreciate my pain. It’s not just from watching Villa.
It's all worth it for the tins of baked beans with the little sausages though I bet. God I haven't had one of those in years and years.
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Ketchup is the most overrated thing since Steven Gerrard's tackling.
I’m married to a woman who is a senior executive at Heinz. Imagine my life.
I'll bet it's full of variety. 57x
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Heinz Macaroni Cheese in a tin is nasty. It belongs in the 8th circle of hell.
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I love mint, especially in a nice Mojito.
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I love mint, especially in a nice Mojito.
Now you're talking.
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I’m married to a woman who is a senior executive at Heinz. Imagine my life.
I'll bet it's full of variety. 57x
Who wouldn't want to be married to a woman who's a bit saucy?
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Mushy peas are shit.
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I have come on this thread to see how he was getting on and .............
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My initial reaction to this signing was pretty much in line with PWS's opinion on mushy peas.
But on reflection, he's only 25 and Emery is good at getting the best out of players. I've gone from being pretty pissed off that we are helping Man U with a problem player to thinking maybe we'll get a tune out of him. I'm looking forward to seeing how it pans out.
I'm fond of mushy peas, but with lots of black pepper not mint. I prefer to keep (fresh) mint for Moscow Mules.
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Mushy peas are shit.
Along with pork scratchings they are both foods of the Gods.
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Mushy peas are shit.
Having married a Yorkshire girl, I've spent my whole married life avoiding mushy peas like the plague. The work of the devil, they are.
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Mushy peas are shit.
Having married a Yorkshire girl, I've spent my whole married life avoiding mushy peas like the plague. The work of the devil, they are.
Mushy peas are absolutely horrific and a blight on civilized society.
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You lot just don't let yourselves live. Mushy peas from.rhe chippy are spot on. Don't be buying any tinned shite though. (Heinz or otherwise).
Sancho is reaching an age where maturity could be setting in. Under a manager who knows how to get the best out of players, we could be rewarded handsomely.
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I wasn't a fan of mushy peas growing up, mainly because it meant Bachelors Marrowfat peas with dinner. Don't mind them now with fish and chips (plus some vinegar and gravy).
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My initial reaction to this signing was pretty much in line with PWS's opinion on mushy peas.
But on reflection, he's only 25 and Emery is good at getting the best out of players. I've gone from being pretty pissed off that we are helping Man U with a problem player to thinking maybe we'll get a tune out of him. I'm looking forward to seeing how it pans out.
Same here, I've gone from 'Oh FFS' to quite looking forward to seeing what he can do.
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Wouldn’t have been my first choice (and I doubt it was the manager’s either) but I could see this working in our system, playing him off the left. If there is a coach around that can get him back on the right path it’s Emery.
I disregard his Man Ure chapter given their incredible record for ruining players and his Chelsea form is actually pretty decent.
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I've spent a bit of time* this evening trying to establish a connection between Jadon Sancho and tomato ketchup.
(Not that there NEEDS to be a connection - just to kill time while sitting on the train back to Oxford after watching the 40-year old Ravi Bopara demolish Surrey's bowlers this evening).
Here are the results of my research.
I started by Googling "Jadon Sancho tomato ketchup"**. The AI-generated summary of the results opened with this sentence:
"Jadon Sancho does not have a tomato ketchup."
Not a promising start. However, it continued:
"But he collaborated with Nando's and Nike in 2020 to release a limited-edition Sancho Sauce, which is a medium PERi-PERi sauce with BBQ and pineapple flavors, not ketchup."
Elsewhere, I learned that the BBQ-and-pineapple flavour profile was chosen to reflect his "fiery and spicy playing style".
I think we can conclude from this that Sancho is not a tomato ketchup fan. Its bland ubiquity, its sweetness, probably doesn't adequately embody his playing style.
But it's clearly true that Sancho is not opposed to all sauces, and there's probably a decent PhD to be written about precisely where - for Sancho - the boundary lies between an endorsable sauce and an unendorsable ketchup.
*Approx two minutes.
**Possible missing Stereolab album title.
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"But he collaborated with Nando's and Nike in 2020 to release a limited-edition Sancho Sauce, which is a medium PERi-PERi sauce with BBQ and pineapple flavors, not ketchup."
Elsewhere, I learned that the BBQ-and-pineapple flavour profile was chosen to reflect his "fiery and spicy playing style".
I make a delicious pineapple and habanero ketchup so you can all fuck off.
So to sum up, SE is Jadon Sancho.
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I've spent a bit of time* this evening trying to establish a connection between Jadon Sancho and tomato ketchup.
(Not that there NEEDS to be a connection - just to kill time while sitting on the train back to Oxford after watching the 40-year old Ravi Bopara demolish Surrey's bowlers this evening).
Here are the results of my research.
I started by Googling "Jadon Sancho tomato ketchup"**. The AI-generated summary of the results opened with this sentence:
"Jadon Sancho does not have a tomato ketchup."
Not a promising start. However, it continued:
"But he collaborated with Nando's and Nike in 2020 to release a limited-edition Sancho Sauce, which is a medium PERi-PERi sauce with BBQ and pineapple flavors, not ketchup."
Elsewhere, I learned that the BBQ-and-pineapple flavour profile was chosen to reflect his "fiery and spicy playing style".
I think we can conclude from this that Sancho is not a tomato ketchup fan. Its bland ubiquity, its sweetness, probably doesn't adequately embody his playing style.
But it's clearly true that Sancho is not opposed to all sauces, and there's probably a decent PhD to be written about precisely where - for Sancho - the boundary lies between an endorsable sauce and an unendorsable ketchup.
*Approx two minutes.
**Possible missing Stereolab album title.
A+ post. Would read again.
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We’ll get a few good moments from him but nothing consistent, nothing that will make us want to sign him and by the summer, questions will be asked about why we spent so much on his wage to a club who seemed quite happy to help unsettle Martinez and keep everyone (including our transfer strategy) on hold all summer until the last minute. And we do them a favour. Right.
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Is Pineapple ‘fiery and spicy?’
Maybe I’ve been eating the wrong variety?
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Habanero is.
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My hope is that the fear of being a flop and laughing stock will motivate him to aspire to the world beater he was supposedly destined to become.
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My hope is that the fear of being a flop and laughing stock will motivate him to aspire to the world beater he was supposedly destined to become.
Tactical fit will be interesting as I don't think he replaces Ramsey or McGinn in one of the wide midfield roles that has served us well. They are very demanding roles out of possession and he doesn't have that athleticism or workrate. Maybe we need a change away from that anyway. Perhaps more of a 4231 with the likes of Rogers and himself quite high and narrow in behind Watkins. It would expose the full backs, especially down the left with Tielemans not the strongest defending counters either. But something has to change.
Maybe blind optimism but I do think Sancho can be an asset. Simply from watching our clueless attempts to break down defences sitting in of late. There's going to be plenty more of those this season with the EL etc. He's not the quickest but does have good feet and at his best can be clever. If we can get Maatsen going, they might just work with Tielemans and even Torres on that side.
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
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There are some quotes doing the rounds about Sancho from Boehly but they have been debunked apparently so don't bother posting any on here.
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There are some quotes doing the rounds about Sancho from Boehly but they have been debunked apparently so don't bother posting any on here.
Yes read them and alarming if true, so alarming they just can’t be true of a professional footballer, so as you say - nothing to see here
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There are some quotes doing the rounds about Sancho from Boehly but they have been debunked apparently so don't bother posting any on here.
I'd be amazed if Boehly knew who he was, was watching the Overlap with Ruud Gullit the other day and he said he'd gone over to introduce himself to him at some FIFA do and he was completely unaware of who he was.
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
I’ll put you down as undecided then.
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
I’ll put you down as undecided then.
yes get off that bloody fence please !!
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Agree, but it’s a low bar for 200k a week
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
And given he'll be playing in pretty much the position Ramsey would have been - even his two joke seasons at Man Utd were 3 goals in 29 matches and 6 goals in 26 matches, which are comparable / better than Ramsey's best seasons for us (6 in 34 and 6 in 35).
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
I’ll put you down as undecided then.
I'm certainly hesitant to ask him what he thinks of ketchup or mushy peas.
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Yep but that's not the only measure, but a basic point.i happen to think he'll make a big difference and will be entertaining too.
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There are some quotes doing the rounds about Sancho from Boehly but they have been debunked apparently so don't bother posting any on here.
These quotes, no I’m not gonna bother posting them
(https://i.ibb.co/HThxdnFw/IMG-5776.jpg) (https://ibb.co/HThxdnFw)
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Can someone share the debunking, please?
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Agree, but it’s a low bar for 200k a week
Who cares? It’s not our money and quite frankly all professional sports people at the top of their game earn obscene money so quite why people worry about this stuff puzzles me.
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Agree, but it’s a low bar for 200k a week
Who cares? It’s not our money and quite frankly all professional sports people at the top of their game earn obscene money so quite why people worry about this stuff puzzles me.
While this is true, given our larger-than-it-should-be wage bill is the cause of a good deal of our current problems, I don't blame anyone for wondering about which bits of that outlay are being spend well or badly.
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Agree, but it’s a low bar for 200k a week
Who cares? It’s not our money and quite frankly all professional sports people at the top of their game earn obscene money so quite why people worry about this stuff puzzles me.
What do you mean who cares?
If you’re paying a player top money you want top performances
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Not so much v Bailey 23/24 or Ramsey 22/23. Both performed at an elite level for us under Emery, granted for a short time. Ramsey was nowhere near as bad last season as some here seem to have convinced themselves.
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Mushy peas are shit.
Having married a Yorkshire girl, I've spent my whole married life avoiding mushy peas like the plague. The work of the devil, they are.
I'm with you ME!
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
I’ll put you down as undecided then.
I'm certainly hesitant to ask him what he thinks of ketchup or mushy peas.
why is there no mention of curry sauce ?
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Can someone share the debunking, please?
That was last season, he's gone from the lurved up stage of the relationship to "talk later, babes. I've got an early start at work tomorrow".
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Can someone share the debunking, please?
I mean it comes from La Repubblica, that should be enough.
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Fabrizio Romano also said it was bollocks, and he'd know bollocks.
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I agree with LeonW. I am convinced that this was a deliberate ploy by the mancs to unsettle a leading player from a club they regard as direct competition to mess us up. Bastards. Other conspiracy theories are available.
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Mainly from Tap-in merchant but the article doesn't even have the agreed fee correctly which was €30mil and not €20mil.
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/chelsea-co-owner-todd-boehly-jadon-sancho-as-completely-fake/bltb5ee21ae6409006f
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Mushy peas are shit.
Having married a Yorkshire girl, I've spent my whole married life avoiding mushy peas like the plague. The work of the devil, they are.
I'm with you ME!
Having lived in both Sheffield and Leeds I'd managed to avoid their mushy peas until one day I went to Bradford where I was introduced to a meat pie drowning in mushing peas with mint sauce. I was not amused. Only thing worse I can think of is chips with gravy. Savages!
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Having lived in both Sheffield and Leeds I'd managed to avoid their mushy peas until one day I went to Bradford where I was introduced to a meat pie drowning in mushing peas with mint sauce. I was not amused. Only thing worse I can think of is chips with gravy. Savages!
So you're saying a Francesinha is nicer than both of them?
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Not so much v Bailey 23/24 or Ramsey 22/23. Both performed at an elite level for us under Emery, granted for a short time. Ramsey was nowhere near as bad last season as some here seem to have convinced themselves.
One league goal by Ramsey last season seems to be the stick to beat him with. Personally i liked his driving runs and defences being shit-scared of him. He was a bit of a div for getting that red card at Bournemouth mind.
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Not so much v Bailey 23/24 or Ramsey 22/23. Both performed at an elite level for us under Emery, granted for a short time. Ramsey was nowhere near as bad last season as some here seem to have convinced themselves.
One league goal by Ramsey last season seems to be the stick to beat him with. Personally i liked his driving runs and defences being shit-scared of him. He was a bit of a div for getting that red card at Bournemouth mind.
Same amount of league goals as McGinn. The metric mikes need something to hang their hat on I guess. Bailey was a great fit too, either starting or off the bench, until his confidence disappeared. Metrics have their place but don't explain balance of the team/squad.
Let's see how Sancho goes.
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He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
I’ll put you down as undecided then.
I'm certainly hesitant to ask him what he thinks of ketchup or mushy peas.
why is there no mention of curry sauce ?
I love curry sauce with my chips, me. Never used to bother with it, but tried it about 4-5 years ago and have been a convert ever since. Definitely on the range of “lovely chips” condiments along with salt & vinegar and chip spice & Dutch mayo.
Never touch ketchup. Struggling to think of a single thing it improves where there’s not a much better option (brown sauce, mustard, curry sauce, …)
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The reason people talk about him only getting 1 league goal in each of the last 2 seasons isn't anything like that, it's because he got 6 in each of the 2 previous seasons and we all thought he was going to take another step up and move into double figures but the injury got in the way. Since he came back he was improving but still haven't got back to the player he was and the lack of goals is 1 sign of that.
1 of the biggest problems we had in the first half of last season was the over-reliance on Watkins, Rogers and Duran in the final 3rd, if those 3 didn't score Villa didn't score. Asensio and Rashford spread the goals around more but Bailey and Ramsey in particular needed to offer more. I'd have loved us to have no reason to sell Ramsey and to see him get the chance to find his form again but with our hands tied I'd rather sell players who we know can offer more but weren't than be forced to sell someone that was.
I get that there's more to it than just goals, it's an argument I use all the time, but an attacking midfielder/winger does need to provide more than we saw from JJ post-injury because the alternative is that you're just adding pressure to other players to make up the difference. If you have that happening with 2-3 players at the same time you have problems that nmo amount of nice interplay and youtube highlight moments can fix, it's a results game and you don't get anything for looking good in 'safe' areas of the pitch.
Against Palace we had more shots, more possession, more successful carries, more corners and more free kicks in the opposition half but no one would claim we were the better team because they were far more effective than we were. after least season Sancho is more likely to change that for us than Ramsey.
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Ramsey's sending-off at Bournemouth was down to:
a) confronting a home defender after he had been badly fouled,
b) taking a second yellow for a 'ghost' foul in the second half.
Match ref? Stuart Fucking Atwell.
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Ramsey's sending-off at Bournemouth was down to:
a) confronting a home defender after he had been badly fouled,
b) taking a second yellow for a 'ghost' foul in the second half.
Match ref? Stuart Fucking Atwell.
I rated JJ more than most on here but he left us in the shit that day.
We showed a lot of grit that day, none more than Cash and Martinez to hold on for the win after. No sign of that grit in the last couple of games.
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Having lived in both Sheffield and Leeds I'd managed to avoid their mushy peas until one day I went to Bradford where I was introduced to a meat pie drowning in mushing peas with mint sauce. I was not amused. Only thing worse I can think of is chips with gravy. Savages!
So you're saying a Francesinha is nicer than both of them?
All of those should only be eaten out of a dog bowl
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Having lived in both Sheffield and Leeds I'd managed to avoid their mushy peas until one day I went to Bradford where I was introduced to a meat pie drowning in mushing peas with mint sauce. I was not amused. Only thing worse I can think of is chips with gravy. Savages!
So you're saying a Francesinha is nicer than both of them?
All of those should only be eaten out of a dog bowl
Is the correct answer though some dog lovers may rightly argue the Francesinha isn't fit for dogs.
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Having lived in both Sheffield and Leeds I'd managed to avoid their mushy peas until one day I went to Bradford where I was introduced to a meat pie drowning in mushing peas with mint sauce. I was not amused. Only thing worse I can think of is chips with gravy. Savages!
So you're saying a Francesinha is nicer than both of them?
All of those should only be eaten out of a dog bowl
Is the correct answer though some dog lovers may rightly argue the Francesinha isn't fit for dogs.
I was wondering if you could help me. I bought this food from an artisinal market a few weeks ago, it was like this fried potato dough filled with shredded chicken, looked like teardrops? It ended with -inha but I can't remember the start at all.
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That would probably be coxinha. ^^
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I can help you there my monocular mutant fella, that's called 'coxinha' and it's a São Paulo delicacy I believe. I actually made some once for a paulista friend of mine, and she was incredibly stoic about the whole thing.
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Good description of me, Monty! Ah yes, thanks both. I needed to know because I really enjoyed it.
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Good description of me, Monty! Ah yes, thanks both. I needed to know because I really enjoyed it.
Alex and Monty are correct, although you get them all over Brasil now. I've had a few in my time and I agree they're very nice, if a bit heavy. I prefer the basic version (rather than with catupiry) with a drop or two of malagueta pepper sauce. Coxinha is pronounce [co-SHEEN-ya] if you're ever ordering one.
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Good description of me, Monty! Ah yes, thanks both. I needed to know because I really enjoyed it.
Alex and Monty are correct, although you get them all over Brasil now. I've had a few in my time and I agree they're very nice, if a bit heavy. I prefer the basic version (rather than with catupiry) with a drop or two of malagueta pepper sauce. Coxinha is pronounce [co-SHEEN-ya] if you're ever ordering one.
Thanks for that because I had no idea how to pronounce it, I just pointed at them.
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Alex and Monty are correct, although you get them all over Brasil now. I've had a few in my time and I agree they're very nice, if a bit heavy. I prefer the basic version (rather than with catupiry) with a drop or two of malagueta pepper sauce. Coxinha is pronounced [co-SHEEN-ya] if you're ever ordering one.
Thanks for that because I had no idea how to pronounce it, I just pointed at them.
Didn't want you going up and asking for [cocks-in-ya].
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Alex and Monty are correct, although you get them all over Brasil now. I've had a few in my time and I agree they're very nice, if a bit heavy. I prefer the basic version (rather than with catupiry) with a drop or two of malagueta pepper sauce. Coxinha is pronounced [co-SHEEN-ya] if you're ever ordering one.
Thanks for that because I had no idea how to pronounce it, I just pointed at them.
Didn't want you going up and asking for [cocks-in-ya].
I have an invitation for a party where they pronounce loads of different ways.
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Alex and Monty are correct, although you get them all over Brasil now. I've had a few in my time and I agree they're very nice, if a bit heavy. I prefer the basic version (rather than with catupiry) with a drop or two of malagueta pepper sauce. Coxinha is pronounced [co-SHEEN-ya] if you're ever ordering one.
Thanks for that because I had no idea how to pronounce it, I just pointed at them.
Didn't want you going up and asking for [cocks-in-ya].
I'll take whatever I can get.
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Started his Villa career well.
Keep it up Sanch.
I'd start him on Sunday if he's fit enough.
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You can see he has talent. Could be a decent signing.
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Everyone has always known this lad has the ability to be a top footballer, he has just lacked the application. Hopefully that can change here.
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Yes, he’s not set the world alight, but he’s a better option than Bailey. Can he not take a pen?
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I can only remember that he was one of the 3 lads who missed a pen for England.
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He rarely beats a man but he can pass. Possibly playing him behind the striker could suit him, give Rogers some time out.
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Thought he did well when he came on. Certainly better passing than several others and linked well with Digne.
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Where did he disappear to today? He was named on the bench, but not there.
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Hopefully just a minor injury and not a strop.
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Was hoping the same. Or he had the shits.
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Unai: "Sancho was feeling sick before the game so that is why he was not on the bench but he will be important for us. We will add other players in as well with their qualities."
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He’s been sick a while or did he pick up an injury somewhere?
i hope the sickness wasn’t cover for a bad attitude and its not improved since.
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He’s been sick a while or did he pick up an injury somewhere?
i hope the sickness wasn’t cover for a bad attitude and its not improved since.
The new Covid Stratus variant is nasty enough. If the picked that up, I can understand why a footballer would be out for 10-14 days with it.
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He’s been sick a while or did he pick up an injury somewhere?
i hope the sickness wasn’t cover for a bad attitude and its not improved since.
The new Covid Stratus variant is nasty enough. If the picked that up, I can understand why a footballer would be out for 10-14 days with it.
Yep I have had it, really rough for a week or so and even now another week later, still a but of a cough, aching legs etc
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The new Covid Stratus variant is nasty enough. If the picked that up, I can understand why a footballer would be out for 10-14 days with it.
Yep I have had it, really rough for a week or so and even now another week later, still a but of a cough, aching legs etc
Yeah, I've had Covid 3 or 4 times and am normally over it in a day and a half or so. This time, a hoarse voice for a day, followed by a sore throat, fatigue, and aches for a couple of days, but then a nasty cough for 3-4 days. I hardly ever get a bad cough, but this was right down near the diaphragm and left me feeling like I'd done loads of sit-ups.
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The new Covid Stratus variant is nasty enough. If the picked that up, I can understand why a footballer would be out for 10-14 days with it.
Yep I have had it, really rough for a week or so and even now another week later, still a but of a cough, aching legs etc
Yeah, I've had Covid 3 or 4 times and am normally over it in a day and a half or so. This time, a hoarse voice for a day, followed by a sore throat, fatigue, and aches for a couple of days, but then a nasty cough for 3-4 days. I hardly ever get a bad cough, but this was right down near the diaphragm and left me feeling like I'd done loads of sit-ups.
Yea my daughter has that cough now, has come back from uni for a few days R&R.
Thoughts and prayers with Jaden 😢😄
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Hopefully just a minor injury and not a strop.
he's had a stropadicktome operation.
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Unai doesn't rate him does he?
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We don't know that. Let's not right him off already FFS
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We don't know that. Let's not right him off already FFS
Correct.
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He just needs to learn the system. Hopefully he's not as thick as shit as he sometimes comes across and it'll click with him. Otherwise we're paying him £150k a week for bugger-all.
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We may get to see him in Europe ?
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We don't know that. Let's not right him off already FFS
I haven't. However he'll have a better chance of learning the system if he actually gets off the bench.
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he was injured though wasn’t he ?
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He has looked good when on the pitch. His time will come.
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he was injured though wasn’t he ?
No, sick.
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He has looked good when on the pitch. His time will come.
Looked ok in my opinion nothing more thus far. Hasnt played a lot so hard to judge
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He has looked good when on the pitch. His time will come.
Looked ok in my opinion nothing more thus far. Hasnt played a lot so hard to judge
Yeh I’m in the nothing to see here camp at the moment, he will be important later in the season
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He has looked good when on the pitch. His time will come.
Looked ok in my opinion nothing more thus far. Hasnt played a lot so hard to judge
Yeh I’m in the nothing to see here camp at the moment, he will be important later in the season
This is very true, the league season isn’t even a quarter done and all we’ve seen is a few nice little cameos. The important time for him and Elliott is in Dec and Jan when the games come thick and fast and we need that squad depth.
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He has something about him. I think he’ll play an important role.
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He has women problems if Villa vlogger Rogers Report is to be believed.
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Rogers Reports. Seems the correct site to be reporting on problems in the bedroom as well.
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Thought he did alright tonight in the carnage of the second half.
Wouldn't have taken him off at 70th minute mark as he needs minutes.
He and Maatsen played together for half a season at Dortmund and you can see in their positions they have decent understanding.
My only issue is when near the box he takes too many touches instead of head up and get a cross or shot in but you'd like to think he'll play more of a significant part for us in the premier league now.
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£ for £ terrible value.
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Saw a fair bit of the ball, twisted and turned against a championship standard full back.
Delivered nothing.
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Well, the goal.
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Hmmm, watch it again. I think you’ll find the goalie had a big hand in the goal
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A lot bigger problems tonight, our opposite flank for example. But it was a bit too easy for Maatsen and Sancho at times. That was the time they needed to hammer home their advantage. Sancho seems too content to show off his skills, roll back off left, off right. Has the ball on a string but at times for what. Story of his career really.
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I thought he was ok. He’s barely played so he’s not going to be sharp. You can see the talent is there.
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Thought he was ok last night but went down a few blind alleys and needed to work on his final ball.
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I thought he was sharp last night. Faded in the 2nd half as they all did. Certainly offers more intent going forward.
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You can see why he was highly rated, you can also see why he's never quite making it.
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You can see why he was highly rated, you can also see why he's never quite making it.
That's spot on.
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Whatever happened to those wide players who would pick the ball up in space, run at defenders, beat them and then play a pass or supply a dangerous cross ?
It seems that every wide player now has to collect the ball, tip toe up to a defender, allow the defender time for a couple of his mates to come and cover, and then (with their head down) twist and turn, to knock a ball backwards or to the closest Villa player.
The last player to take a run at full backs was Diaby, but we soon knocked that out of him.
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The last player to take run at full backs was Diane
Never the same after that away day in France.
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The last player to take run at full backs was Diane
Never the same after that away day in France.
Fecking autocorrect
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Whatever happened to those wide players who would pick the ball up in space, run at defenders, beat them and then play a pass or supply a dangerous cross ?
It seems that every wide player now has to collect the ball, tip toe up to a defender, allow the defender time for a couple of his mates to come and cover, and then (with their head down) twist and turn, to knock a ball backwards or to the closest Villa player.
The last player to take a run at full backs was Diaby, but we soon knocked that out of him.
Wasn't that what Sancho did last night for the goal? There's a lack of those kind of wingers in the game as it's often a single forward like Watkins up against 2 or 3 centre backs. So whipping in crosses like Wilcox/Ripley used do or Beckham/Giggs made more sense with two forwards in the box. I think that's where the inverted wide players came in and more onus on overlapping full backs.
As it turned out last night, we actually put in plenty of decent crosses. There was a lack of conviction really in attacking those balls. The Torres one the prime example but also Watkins from another good Sancho cross.
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Whatever happened to those wide players who would pick the ball up in space, run at defenders, beat them and then play a pass or supply a dangerous cross ?
It seems that every wide player now has to collect the ball, tip toe up to a defender, allow the defender time for a couple of his mates to come and cover, and then (with their head down) twist and turn, to knock a ball backwards or to the closest Villa player.
The last player to take a run at full backs was Diaby, but we soon knocked that out of him.
Wasn't that what Sancho did last night for the goal……..
Precisely !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
When you try it it works. Here’s a novel idea, why don’t we try it more often ?
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Whatever happened to those wide players who would pick the ball up in space, run at defenders, beat them and then play a pass or supply a dangerous cross ?
It seems that every wide player now has to collect the ball, tip toe up to a defender, allow the defender time for a couple of his mates to come and cover, and then (with their head down) twist and turn, to knock a ball backwards or to the closest Villa player.
The last player to take a run at full backs was Diaby, but we soon knocked that out of him.
Bailey did it quite a lot until he didn’t
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Sancho was casing them problems so much so they double tagged him. He has the speed we need.
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I think he can be a real asset for us. Good technique, doesn’t lose the ball, a big step up on Guessand.
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My cat would be a big step up on Guessand.
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My cat would be a big step up on Guessand.
Been disagreeing with my mate at work who says he’s shit. My thought was that I could see a player having difficulty getting used to the speed of the PL.
The other night before the Go Ahead game I thought ‘if he’s shit against these, he’s just shit’. I’m not hopeful.
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My cat would be a big step up on Guessand.
And Mike Catt too.
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My cat would be a big step up on Guessand.
And Mike Catt too.
Huh?
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My cat would be a big step up on Guessand.
Been disagreeing with my mate at work who says he’s shit. My thought was that I could see a player having difficulty getting used to the speed of the PL.
The other night before the Go Ahead game I thought ‘if he’s shit against these, he’s just shit’. I’m not hopeful.
My thoughts too re getting used to the speed of the league and joining late in the transfer window.
I’ve said before that he reminds me of Zaniolo, but his work rate and attitude are much better. I think he and Cash work well together but as a creative player I have seen almost nothing from him.
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Funny that Zaniolo, who was absolute wank, had quite a lot of apologists on here, more so than Guessand is getting.
Signs of hope from Sancho, didn't look short of confidence considering the lack of game time he's had thus far.
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Didn’t like his reaction to being subbed and neither did Barkley. I hope he isn’t a bit of a ******.
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Didn’t like his reaction to being subbed and neither did Barkley. I hope he isn’t a bit of a ******.
He has a very frustrating game: saw a fair bit of the ball but seemed very reluctant to take his fullback on.
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He was awful today. Dreadful. Passes the ball, or crosses the ball, only if and when he thinks he has run out of space and has no other option. Terribly weak in a challenge, unless he decides not to put one in at all, when he becomes non-existent. And he's slow. The fact he is getting minutes makes the Elliot situation all the more mystifying.
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Fitness is his current issue. Regardless of what time he came on, he was never getting a full game.
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Fitness is his current issue. Regardless of what time he came on, he was never getting a full game.
Inability to physically compete his biggest issue.
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The attitude he displayed towards Barkley and Emery when being subbed, stunk.
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Fitness is his current issue. Regardless of what time he came on, he was never getting a full game.
Indeed, it was no surprise he came off again after coming on so early. Personally I thought he was doing a decent job in the first half, gave us more width on that side and linked pretty well with Digne but when they started putting a bit more pressure on he went missing.
I think the lack of graft when teams get on top is what has held him back for a while.
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Was surprised when we brought him in, there were enough reports of him having a poor attitude to set alarm bells ringing.
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Unai Emery on Jadon Sancho sub: "He is getting fit, but not enough. I planned to play him in the second half, but after Buendia's injury, I got him on. I [subbed sub] before with Morgan Rogers and Buendia. It was not a punishment, he played 45 minutes."
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Awful today. Offered little threat going forward, but you also have to do your defensive duties.
When the whole team is busting every sinew, pulling out of 50/50’s is not a good look for anyone and he deserved to be hoiked.
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I don’t think anyone was awful. He didn’t have much of an impact but he kept the ball for us in decent positions at times. Still not convinced we’ll see enough to make us want to keep him but I think awful is a bit harsh today.
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Awful today. Offered little threat going forward, but you also have to do your defensive duties.
When the whole team is busting every sinew, pulling out of 50/50’s is not a good look for anyone and he deserved to be hoiked.
I thought he was okay. Almost scored, maybe should have. Gives us the natural width that the trio of mcginn, buendia and Roger’s do not.
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I thought he was alright. And nearly scored a self made goal at an important time.
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Second half he was playing directly below where we sit, so I watched him quite closely.
He tracked back when expected, but barely put a challenge in, and pulled out of one 50/50.
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Second half he was playing directly below where we sit, so I watched him quite closely.
He tracked back when expected, but barely put a challenge in, and pulled out of one 50/50.
Agreed, he looked half hearted when he tried an attempted tackle compared with every other Villa player was fighting for everything.
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Our transfer deadline day business was pretty shite was it not?
A pretty poor performance today and more worryingly, when others were 100% invested, he didnt. Very pleased we aren't obliged to buy him as part of the loan agreement.
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Second half he was playing directly below where we sit, so I watched him quite closely.
He tracked back when expected, but barely put a challenge in, and pulled out of one 50/50.
Can't get away playing like that in a midfield four against anyone decent, not to mind Man City. Has all the ability in the world but none of the drive required to make the most of it.
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Second half he was playing directly below where we sit, so I watched him quite closely.
He tracked back when expected, but barely put a challenge in, and pulled out of one 50/50.
Can't get away playing like that in a midfield four against anyone decent, not to mind Man City. Has all the ability in the world but none of the drive required to make the most of it.
Well you obviously can because we won the game and he played for exactly as long as Emery wanted/expected him to.
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He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.
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Showed some really good moments, absolutely bottled a tackle.
A couple of sloppy flicks and passes. Lacks intensity to stay on the pitch in a game like today’s.
All the talent in the world, but not the desire.
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For the money he has to show more and for Unai to say he isn't fit and it is nearly November what the **** has he been doing for the past 3 months?
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He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.
I thought he was ok, linked up well several times with Digne. Was better than what Rogers has been all season until the last 3 games. Is he the new scapegoat now that Cash is playing excellently? One very good moment when he got to the byline and almost scored when ball rebounded to him. Good stop by Donnarumma. Somebody on post match thread gave him 3 out of 10, which is a joke, at least a 6.
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I thought he was ok. To be honest as long as it’s channeled ok I don’t mind him being annoyed about being subbed off.
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He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.
I thought he was ok, linked up well several times with Digne. Was better than what Rogers has been all season until the last 3 games. Is he the new scapegoat now that Cash is playing excellently? One very good moment when he got to the byline and almost scored when ball rebounded to him. Good stop by Donnarumma. Somebody on post match thread gave him 3 out of 10, which is a joke, at least a 6.
Well I'd give him a 3 just for the bottle job. He's probably got more natural ability than someone like McGinn but lacks the desire that makes McGinn who he is. And about the bottling of the tackle, I was always told, you either go in fully committed or you dont go in at all, dangling your foot like he did, hes lucky not to get injured
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I’m not a fan, and I was very surprised when we brought him in - I hope that he has me eating humble pie soon, but every time I see him I get less convinced that I will be.
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glad he was annoyed - shows there's a little bit of fire in his belly - there's a talented player in there..... it's going to take him months to get up to speed for Unai's game, not to mention his fitness
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He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.
I thought he was ok, linked up well several times with Digne. Was better than what Rogers has been all season until the last 3 games. Is he the new scapegoat now that Cash is playing excellently? One very good moment when he got to the byline and almost scored when ball rebounded to him. Good stop by Donnarumma. Somebody on post match thread gave him 3 out of 10, which is a joke, at least a 6.
Without wishing to be too harsh, unless he was injured, the fact that he came on after 30 minutes and then was subbed after 74 reflects his performance up to be honest.
It was a pretty damning indictment of how he did to be honest.
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Not according to Unai, who is generally pretty frank in his assessment of these things.
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He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.
I thought he was ok, linked up well several times with Digne. Was better than what Rogers has been all season until the last 3 games. Is he the new scapegoat now that Cash is playing excellently? One very good moment when he got to the byline and almost scored when ball rebounded to him. Good stop by Donnarumma. Somebody on post match thread gave him 3 out of 10, which is a joke, at least a 6.
Without wishing to be too harsh, unless he was injured, the fact that he came on after 30 minutes and then was subbed after 74 reflects his performance up to be honest.
It was a pretty damning indictment of how he did to be honest.
Not really, Emery has outright said he got the minutes that were planned.
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He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.
I thought he was ok, linked up well several times with Digne. Was better than what Rogers has been all season until the last 3 games. Is he the new scapegoat now that Cash is playing excellently? One very good moment when he got to the byline and almost scored when ball rebounded to him. Good stop by Donnarumma. Somebody on post match thread gave him 3 out of 10, which is a joke, at least a 6.
Without wishing to be too harsh, unless he was injured, the fact that he came on after 30 minutes and then was subbed after 74 reflects his performance up to be honest.
It was a pretty damning indictment of how he did to be honest.
Not really, Emery has outright said he got the minutes that were planned.
yep just earlier than anticipated
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I didn’t think bottled anything. But when you compare to Bailey and Diaby of 2023 or Rasfhord earlier this year, Im just not sure he’s that good to be honest.
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I want to see Sancho go at, and beat his marker much more. At the minute, he's all fart and no shit. I think he might be a talent but it needs to come out and he play with some freedom. At the moment, he's playing within himself and has more to offer.
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I didn’t think bottled anything. But when you compare to Bailey and Diaby of 2023 or Rasfhord earlier this year, Im just not sure he’s that good to be honest.
He absolutely did wimp out if a tackle.
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Without wishing to be too harsh, unless he was injured, the fact that he came on after 30 minutes and then was subbed after 74 reflects his performance up to be honest.
It was a pretty damning indictment of how he did to be honest.
This is at least the fourth time that Unai has subbed the sub who has initially come on early in the first half of a match.
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He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.
I thought he was ok, linked up well several times with Digne. Was better than what Rogers has been all season until the last 3 games. Is he the new scapegoat now that Cash is playing excellently? One very good moment when he got to the byline and almost scored when ball rebounded to him. Good stop by Donnarumma. Somebody on post match thread gave him 3 out of 10, which is a joke, at least a 6.
Without wishing to be too harsh, unless he was injured, the fact that he came on after 30 minutes and then was subbed after 74 reflects his performance up to be honest.
It was a pretty damning indictment of how he did to be honest.
Not really, Emery has outright said he got the minutes that were planned.
Just can't see that to be honest. I've got absolutely no axe to grind with the kid at all and actually think he's done alright in the games he's featured in so far, but he wasn't great today.
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Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
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Looked alright when he first came on, I thought, but faded in the second half. Doesn’t change the fact he’s the just about the last sort of signing I expected us to be making.
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What I've seen of Sancho so far, thinking of the Go Ahead game and one of the other European games earlier in the season, he's keen to have the ball but doesn't seem to know when to release it. That or he's unwilling to release it.
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FFS, How about we all stop scapegoating the lad and get behind him. He wasn’t stand out today but he wasn’t atrocious and contributed to our win. After a great team win why does someone have to be the punchbag.
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Why do you think he's being scapegoated?
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Could have scored today, did well to get round his man and get a shot away before Donnarumma saved and then saved again.
If he had scored that goal then we would be saying he had a great impact and the future looks bright,
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I thought he was ok , he isnt match fit but we won and he played some part in that . Some people was saying guessand was the worse footballer they had ever seen on Thursday and today they are saying he has done great . He doesnt lose the ball much at least . Give him time .
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FFS, How about we all stop scapegoating the lad and get behind him. He wasn’t stand out today but he wasn’t atrocious and contributed to our win. After a great team win why does someone have to be the punchbag.
Because he was absolutely woeful
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No he wasn’t.
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FFS, How about we all stop scapegoating the lad and get behind him. He wasn’t stand out today but he wasn’t atrocious and contributed to our win. After a great team win why does someone have to be the punchbag.
Because he was absolutely woeful
Sorry John but that’s just hyperbolic bullshit.
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Overall not phenomenal but he did have some proper moments.
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FFS, How about we all stop scapegoating the lad and get behind him. He wasn’t stand out today but he wasn’t atrocious and contributed to our win. After a great team win why does someone have to be the punchbag.
Because he was absolutely woeful
Sorry John but that’s just hyperbolic bullshit.
Fair enough but Unai thought the same
I know he used the excuse of minutes to be kind but if Sancho was doing his job properly he would’ve stayed on
He had him away because he became a liability and we had a game to win, you call it hyperbole I call it good management
With respect I’d rather trust Unai’s judgment than yours
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Trust his judgement but refuse to accept what he said as truth.
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People not understanding the meaning of the word 'scapegoat' again.
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Trust his judgement but refuse to accept what he said as truth.
He subbed a sub
Pretend all you like but I’m not as gullible as you
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Could have scored today, did well to get round his man and get a shot away before Donnarumma saved and then saved again.
If he had scored that goal then we would be saying he had a great impact and the future looks bright,
Think he did really well there, but if he’d looked up and played ball across 6 yd box, Ollie was free for tap in.
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Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
There's little or no chance Emery had in his head that he would only give Sancho 40 mins when he brought him on. He's being kind there. What I would say is in the previous occasions, which in the cases of Bailey and Buendia were a lot harsher, it happened those players were given chances very quickly again afterwards. Sancho could be back in very quickly again.
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He deffo whimped out of one direct challenge and on a few other occasions, declined to position himself in such a way as to be involved in the fray. He was also a bit timid in coming forward, but that could be a fitness issue, I guess.
Other than that, I thought he did ok, however. He certainly didn’t bomb.
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Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
There's little or no chance Emery had in his head that he would only give Sancho 40 mins when he brought him on. He's being kind there. What I would say is in the previous occasions, which in the cases of Bailey and Buendia were a lot harsher, it happened those players were given chances very quickly again afterwards. Sancho could be back in very quickly again.
it wont be at Anfield.
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Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
There's little or no chance Emery had in his head that he would only give Sancho 40 mins when he brought him on. He's being kind there. What I would say is in the previous occasions, which in the cases of Bailey and Buendia were a lot harsher, it happened those players were given chances very quickly again afterwards. Sancho could be back in very quickly again.
it wont be at Anfield.
I’m sure he will figure at some point against Liverpool.
I just wish he’d release the ball quicker once he’s beaten his player. He offers something different and would be a great asset to the team if he stopped thinking just about himself.
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He’s been ok so far. Nothing more than that, nothing less. But he did chicken out of a 50/50 and sulked when subbed. That kind of stuff doesn’t go unnoticed and not should it. If he’s going to have any kind of revival he needs to fully commit to it. Last chance saloon for him.
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Trust his judgement but refuse to accept what he said as truth.
He subbed a sub
Pretend all you like but I’m not as gullible as you
He has subbed subs at least 4 times now I believe. One was Buendia, another might have been Bogarde, I think Diaby one time as well but I might be mistaken on that. They all are players who at the time were not being planned to come on so early and were being brought up to speed slowly. They were all emergency subs in the game and were then all subbed off as they hit minutes and tactically change the team as the match demanded.
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Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
There's little or no chance Emery had in his head that he would only give Sancho 40 mins when he brought him on. He's being kind there. What I would say is in the previous occasions, which in the cases of Bailey and Buendia were a lot harsher, it happened those players were given chances very quickly again afterwards. Sancho could be back in very quickly again.
it wont be at Anfield.
Why not? With Elliot missing there is more chance of Sancho then not.
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Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
There's little or no chance Emery had in his head that he would only give Sancho 40 mins when he brought him on. He's being kind there. What I would say is in the previous occasions, which in the cases of Bailey and Buendia were a lot harsher, it happened those players were given chances very quickly again afterwards. Sancho could be back in very quickly again.
it wont be at Anfield.
Why not? With Elliot missing there is more chance of Sancho then not.
Because he couldn’t trust him against Man city at home and after subbing him on he had to sub him off for his own good
So I very much doubt he’ll trust him away at Anfield
But it’s true you never know if you’re right and the plan all along was to give him minutes he’s got a good chance of playing next week
If I’m right and he got subbed off because he became a liability he won’t be anywhere near the Anfield pitch
Just have to wait and see I suppose
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FFS, How about we all stop scapegoating the lad and get behind him. He wasn’t stand out today but he wasn’t atrocious and contributed to our win. After a great team win why does someone have to be the punchbag.
Because he was absolutely woeful
Sorry John but that’s just hyperbolic bullshit.
Fair enough but Unai thought the same
I know he used the excuse of minutes to be kind but if Sancho was doing his job properly he would’ve stayed on
He had him away because he became a liability and we had a game to win, you call it hyperbole I call it good management
With respect I’d rather trust Unai’s judgment than yours
John, I like your passion, but you don't half make some stuff up sometimes. You've no idea what Emery thinks, and as he's only said that Sancho played the number of minutes that he was intended to play, you've no evidence from what he said either.
You said
Because he was absolutely woeful
Emery's comments on Sancho's substitution
"He's not happy": Emery recognized Sancho's frustration with being taken off. "Yes, sure he's not happy," the manager said after the match, "but I did it before with Morgan Rogers, with Emiliano Buendia, with Leon Bailey".
The manager explained that Sancho's limited playing time was pre-planned because he had played for 60 minutes in the midweek Europa League loss to Go Ahead Eagles. Emery noted that an early injury had altered his initial plan, but the substitution was still necessary to manage the player's return to fitness.
Focus on the team: Emery emphasized that Sancho is part of a larger plan to improve the entire team. After the match, he expressed pride in the collective effort against Manchester City, stating, "Every player, in the tactical structure, was fantastic, defensively and offensively".
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FFS, How about we all stop scapegoating the lad and get behind him. He wasn’t stand out today but he wasn’t atrocious and contributed to our win. After a great team win why does someone have to be the punchbag.
Because he was absolutely woeful
Sorry John but that’s just hyperbolic bullshit.
Fair enough but Unai thought the same
I know he used the excuse of minutes to be kind but if Sancho was doing his job properly he would’ve stayed on
He had him away because he became a liability and we had a game to win, you call it hyperbole I call it good management
With respect I’d rather trust Unai’s judgment than yours
John, I like your passion, but you don't half make some stuff up sometimes. You've no idea what Emery thinks, and as he's only said that Sancho played the number of minutes that he was intended to play, you've no evidence from what he said either.
You said
Because he was absolutely woeful
Emery's comments on Sancho's substitution
"He's not happy": Emery recognized Sancho's frustration with being taken off. "Yes, sure he's not happy," the manager said after the match, "but I did it before with Morgan Rogers, with Emiliano Buendia, with Leon Bailey".
The manager explained that Sancho's limited playing time was pre-planned because he had played for 60 minutes in the midweek Europa League loss to Go Ahead Eagles. Emery noted that an early injury had altered his initial plan, but the substitution was still necessary to manage the player's return to fitness.
Focus on the team: Emery emphasized that Sancho is part of a larger plan to improve the entire team. After the match, he expressed pride in the collective effort against Manchester City, stating, "Every player, in the tactical structure, was fantastic, defensively and offensively".
You gotta give it to Emery
He’s a very good man manager with a ruthless streak
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Barring more injuries he won't start at Anfield imo, he will likely make a sub appearance though.
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Trust his judgement but refuse to accept what he said as truth.
He subbed a sub
Pretend all you like but I’m not as gullible as you
He has subbed subs at least 4 times now I believe. One was Buendia, another might have been Bogarde, I think Diaby one time as well but I might be mistaken on that. They all are players who at the time were not being planned to come on so early and were being brought up to speed slowly. They were all emergency subs in the game and were then all subbed off as they hit minutes and tactically change the team as the match demanded.
Bailey vs Liverpool at Anfield two seasons ago. Think it was an injury induced change (was there a red card in there as well?). Also presaged Bailey's stellar form period.
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Barring more injuries he won't start at Anfield imo, he will likely make a sub appearance though.
Limited options there with Beundia out and Elliot not going to play. I think he’ll be more likely to start Guessand there to support Cash, then bring Sancho on in the second half, especially if its close.
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I thought Sancho slowed us down a bit yesterday, everybody else had read the instructions and were moving the ball quickly, Sancho lacked the urgency. Also disappointed he didn't do better having wonderfully beaten his defender and took the ball along the line before trying twice to score himself. Maybe I'm being harsh and he didn't have any options, need to see it again but shooting straight at the keeper and expecting the ball to go through him can only be a Villa striker virus that's doing the rounds.
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I thought Sancho slowed us down a bit yesterday, everybody else had read the instructions and were moving the ball quickly, Sancho lacked the urgency. Also disappointed he didn't do better having wonderfully beaten his defender and took the ball along the line before trying twice to score himself. Maybe I'm being harsh and he didn't have any options, need to see it again but shooting straight at the keeper and expecting the ball to go through him can only be a Villa striker virus that's doing the rounds.
I thought the first effort was him trying to square it across the box, rather than a shot? After Donnaruma got a hand on that, the second was definitely a shot (and not a great one, but he had zero time to think about it).
I still think there is a good player in there for us. He offers something different, and I think 1v1, when we're potentially playing teams sitting deep (or low block or whatever it's called this week), his dribbling will be a real asset.
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I thought Sancho slowed us down a bit yesterday, everybody else had read the instructions and were moving the ball quickly, Sancho lacked the urgency. Also disappointed he didn't do better having wonderfully beaten his defender and took the ball along the line before trying twice to score himself. Maybe I'm being harsh and he didn't have any options, need to see it again but shooting straight at the keeper and expecting the ball to go through him can only be a Villa striker virus that's doing the rounds.
I thought the first effort was him trying to square it across the box, rather than a shot? After Donnaruma got a hand on that, the second was definitely a shot (and not a great one, but he had zero time to think about it).
I still think there is a good player in there for us. He offers something different, and I think 1v1, when we're potentially playing teams sitting deep (or low block or whatever it's called this week), his dribbling will be a real asset.
I agree.
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Trust his judgement but refuse to accept what he said as truth.
He subbed a sub
Pretend all you like but I’m not as gullible as you
He has subbed subs at least 4 times now I believe.
According to a Sky Sports journo on X, it's was the 10th time Emery has subbed a sub since he took charge. Didn't think it would be that high, but suggests it's not that unusual for Unai.
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He's got a bit of the Dele Alli about him. Undoubted skill. Attitude not so much.
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Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
There's little or no chance Emery had in his head that he would only give Sancho 40 mins when he brought him on. He's being kind there. What I would say is in the previous occasions, which in the cases of Bailey and Buendia were a lot harsher, it happened those players were given chances very quickly again afterwards. Sancho could be back in very quickly again.
it wont be at Anfield.
Why not? With Elliot missing there is more chance of Sancho then not.
Because he couldn’t trust him against Man city at home and after subbing him on he had to sub him off for his own good
So I very much doubt he’ll trust him away at Anfield
But it’s true you never know if you’re right and the plan all along was to give him minutes he’s got a good chance of playing next week
If I’m right and he got subbed off because he became a liability he won’t be anywhere near the Anfield pitch
Just have to wait and see I suppose
If we are chasing the game then he's definitely an option. Liverpool are struggling at right back. Sancho has all the skills but in the PL you have to be able to physically compete. He has always struggled with that. Elliot likely is falling short in training in this same area.
Guessand showed in his cameo why he has earned Emerys trust.
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I agree with LeeB. I like Sancho because I like players with good technique who rarely give the ball away.
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Jeff Stelling, who's now paid to give his opinions rather than just fart out soccer stats, said Unai had mistreated Jadon by subbing him off. Silly galoot.
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Here you go Jeff, ten that he treated badly.
Alex Moreno vs. Liverpool
Philippe Coutinho vs. Everton
Leon Bailey vs. Liverpool
Morgan Rogers vs. Luton Town
Moussa Diaby vs. Chelsea
Nicolo Zaniolo vs. Liverpool
Jacob Ramsey vs. Leicester City
Emiliano Buendia vs. Brentford
Emiliano Buendia vs. Burnley
Jadon Sancho vs. Manchester City
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I do not think any manager incLding Emery puts a sub on with the intention of subbing them off. I do believe though that the best managers will change strategy during the game and react to different circumstances.
Now there are 5 subs allowed it is far more likely and potentially expedient.
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From what I understand, that majority of our subs are premeditated. Someone I know went on a stadium tour the day after one of our games, and on the board in the dressing rom all of our subs were written down, with the time that they would come on and who they would replace. Obviously occasionally that will change due to the match situation, but I don't think Unai does much of that unless things are going really wrong.
I guess it's to do with managing minutes, more than impacting the game? Like, the plan is in place, and every player is expected to do their bit, whether they start or come on for the last five minutes, so it doesn't really matter who it is. as long as they do what they're told.
On Sunday, I would guess that Sancho was due to come on for 30 minutes in the seconds half. That got messed up with the Emi injury, but the plan was basically the same, with another sub (Guessand?), being bumped up the order. I really don't think there is any more in this 'story' than that.
For what it's worth, my take on Sancho is this - he's going to come in handy at times. He's direct, and sometimes we need someone like that. But he's got to be better at protecting the ball to impress Unai, it was notable on Sunday that he seemed the one player that was a bit loose with the ball, even though I thought he played alright generally. He'll get better if he wants to, and I think he will.
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He's direct, and sometimes we need someone like that. But he's got to be better at protecting the ball to impress Unai, it was notable on Sunday that he seemed the one player that was a bit loose with the ball, even though I thought he played alright generally. He'll get better if he wants to, and I think he will.
Interesting post, thanks. Just one point, I thought he isn't yet direct enough (as in, getting at his fullback).
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Where is this rule written or not written that subbing a sub is unfair?
And since when did Stelling become an authority on this?
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He's direct, and sometimes we need someone like that. But he's got to be better at protecting the ball to impress Unai, it was notable on Sunday that he seemed the one player that was a bit loose with the ball, even though I thought he played alright generally. He'll get better if he wants to, and I think he will.
Interesting post, thanks. Just one point, I thought he isn't yet direct enough (as in, getting at his fullback).
I agree, he often unbalances the defender but instead of going past him he takes another touch and then another.
There is a general lack of intent about his play.
Also jumping out of tackles is not going to endear him to anyone,
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I do not think any manager incLding Emery puts a sub on with the intention of subbing them off. I do believe though that the best managers will change strategy during the game and react to different circumstances.
Now there are 5 subs allowed it is far more likely and potentially expedient.
Emery said after the game that he intended on Sancho getting 60 minutes so he probably did plan on subbing the sub.
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From what I understand, that majority of our subs are premeditated. Someone I know went on a stadium tour the day after one of our games, and on the board in the dressing rom all of our subs were written down, with the time that they would come on and who they would replace. Obviously occasionally that will change due to the match situation, but I don't think Unai does much of that unless things are going really wrong.
I always thought it was to counter what the opposition were doing or if we're needing to score.
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I do not think any manager incLding Emery puts a sub on with the intention of subbing them off. I do believe though that the best managers will change strategy during the game and react to different circumstances.
Now there are 5 subs allowed it is far more likely and potentially expedient.
Emery said after the game that he intended on Sancho getting 60 minutes so he probably did plan on subbing the sub.
I doubt he was planning on giving him 60 mins.
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I do not think any manager incLding Emery puts a sub on with the intention of subbing them off. I do believe though that the best managers will change strategy during the game and react to different circumstances.
Now there are 5 subs allowed it is far more likely and potentially expedient.
Emery said after the game that he intended on Sancho getting 60 minutes so he probably did plan on subbing the sub.
I doubt he was planning on giving him 60 mins.
Didn't he say 45? Either way I'd be surprised if Emery doesn't mostly use pre-meditated subs. Look at everything that is said about him by players and coaches and you get the impression of someone who is meticulous in his planning. Is it really a shock to suggest he's got planned subs and only deviates from those if there are injuries or the wheels are coming off.
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The position was probably due to subbed on 60mins - if we were winning. All part of the plan.
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This player is class.
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This player is class.
I won't believe you until you provide the stats.
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This player is class.
I won't believe you until you provide the stats.
Sorry no pre-assists or running hard.
Just shit things like technique and touch.
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Trouble is, in his position it’s all about assists and goals.
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Trouble is, in his position it’s all about assists and goals.
So give him a run of starts and see how he gets on. Looks dangerous every time he plays.
I'm sure he will get a run before the end of the season anyway. We have lots of games and not a huge squad.
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He has no end product.
Which is his job.
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Meh, very meh.
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Is he on something like £250k a week? He’s not even any fart, let alone shit.
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He nits things together nicely. If we had a top level striker and a killer right winger, that'd be enough in combination with Maatsen and Rogers.
Problem is we have the current Ollie Watkins and Evann Guessand.
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I have never actually seen Sancho do anything impressive, though mates who used to watch him at Dortmund tell me he was good. I live in hope I’m wrong.
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I don’t think it’s clicking yet, but he is trying to make things happen and create. We need that.
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Did well again when he came on.
Going to be class when he gets a run.
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Trouble is, in his position it’s all about assists and goals.
So give him a run of starts and see how he gets on. Looks dangerous every time he plays.
I'm sure he will get a run before the end of the season anyway. We have lots of games and not a huge squad.
Our squad is the same size as everyone else's. If you mean we lack quality, we arguably have two strong options for every position aside from RB perhaps and García might yet come good.
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It's clear that he has the ability, his touch, weight of pass are those of an elite footballer. I think we'll see the goals & assists in the second half of the season, providing he stays fit & gets more minutes.
If we don't see it, then Utd can have him back.
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It's clear that he has the ability, his touch, weight of pass are those of an elite footballer. I think we'll see the goals & assists in the second half of the season, providing he stays fit & gets more minutes.
If we don't see it, then Utd can have him back.
Yep. I really don't know what people are seeing when they lay into him or question his talent.
He's fucking quality.
My only concern is his mentality and whether he wants it enough and will apply himself 100%.
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It's clear that he has the ability, his touch, weight of pass are those of an elite footballer.
True dat. I have high hopes. He’s on a free at the end of the season isn’t he?
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Yes, his contract expires in the summer but that lot have an option to extend for a year
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My only concern is his mentality and whether he wants it enough and will apply himself 100%.
And whether he's willing to put more than his right toe into a tackle.
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I think I’ve seen him play well 2-3 times in his career (probably during his brief time playing for England). I certainly have never seen what all the fuss was about him, as Man U chased him. I can’t see us wanting to sign him permanently.
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He has talent, an ability to manipulate the ball, great balance quick feet.
But talent on its own is never enough.
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Put a lovely ball to Youri for the 4th goal , lets see more of that . To be fair he doesnt lose the ball much , and could have had more assists If Ollie was on his game ,can see him getting better .
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Yes, his contract expires in the summer but that lot have an option to extend for a year
I've seen it reported that they won't take up that option.
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Yes, his contract expires in the summer but that lot have an option to extend for a year
I've seen it reported that they won't take up that option.
It was discussed shortly after he joined us, but unless he has a stormer of a season for us (and currently it looks like it'll land as somewhere on the spectrum between disappointing and fine) then they'd be daft to commit to another season of his wages when they've been desperate to get rid of them for the last two and a bit years.
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Yes, his contract expires in the summer but that lot have an option to extend for a year
I've seen it reported that they won't take up that option.
It was discussed shortly after he joined us, but unless he has a stormer of a season for us (and currently it looks like it'll land as somewhere between on the spectrum between disappointing and fine) then they be daft to commit to another season of his wages when they've been desperate to get rid of them for the last two and a bit years.
Yep, that's how I see it. Given their penny-pinching ways of late, I can't see them adding another year of £250k a week to their payroll, on a player they might not get a fee for anyway. It's not like they're "protecting" a valuable asset by keeping him under contract. He's strictly in the liabilities column as far as they're concerned.
I hope to see more of him in the coming months. Clearly very talented, and there have been glimpses of excellent stuff from him, but it would be great to see it consistently. If he's available for free in the summer, I'd imagine there will be a few clubs willing to pay him more than we would, so it'll probably come down to the player and how his season with us has worked out.
There is a fine line, performance-wise, in terms of him doing well enough for us to want him permanently, and doing so well that we have no chance of keeping him (a la Rashford).
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I hope to see more of him in the coming months. Clearly very talented, and there have been glimpses of excellent stuff from him, but it would be great to see it consistently. If he's available for free in the summer, I'd imagine there will be a few clubs willing to pay him more than we would, so it'll probably come down to the player and how his season with us has worked out.
There is a fine line, performance-wise, in terms of him doing well enough for us to want him permanently, and doing so well that we have no chance of keeping him (a la Rashford).
He's clearly a player who reacts well to being loved but if he's low on confidence then he's a passenger. If he gets that love and confidence at some point in the next few months then I can see him having a great second half of the season and I think both parties would be happy to make it permanent next summer. Not least because a great second half of the season from Sancho probably means we've had a good season overall and are back in the Champions League.
What he really needs is for something brilliant to come off at some point this side of the new year - a game which he completely turns around after coming on, or a dribble-past-three-players-and-stick-it-in-the-top-corner moment. Something for the crowd to use a hook to really get behind him and I think he'll click.
But without that catalyst, I think he'll just muddle along being a 6/10 body on the pitch.
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I hope to see more of him in the coming months. Clearly very talented, and there have been glimpses of excellent stuff from him, but it would be great to see it consistently. If he's available for free in the summer, I'd imagine there will be a few clubs willing to pay him more than we would, so it'll probably come down to the player and how his season with us has worked out.
There is a fine line, performance-wise, in terms of him doing well enough for us to want him permanently, and doing so well that we have no chance of keeping him (a la Rashford).
He's clearly a player who reacts well to being loved but if he's low on confidence then he's a passenger. If he gets that love and confidence at some point in the next few months then I can see him having a great second half of the season and I think both parties would be happy to make it permanent next summer. Not least because a great second half of the season from Sancho probably means we've had a good season overall and are back in the Champions League.
What he really needs is for something brilliant to come off at some point this side of the new year - a game which he completely turns around after coming on, or a dribble-past-three-players-and-stick-it-in-the-top-corner moment. Something for the crowd to use a hook to really get behind him and I think he'll click.
But without that catalyst, I think he'll just muddle along being a 6/10 body on the pitch.
He'll score a beauty against the Dogheads and push on from there. Come March we'll be talking of him in the same way Bailey was season before last.
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I hope to see more of him in the coming months. Clearly very talented, and there have been glimpses of excellent stuff from him, but it would be great to see it consistently. If he's available for free in the summer, I'd imagine there will be a few clubs willing to pay him more than we would, so it'll probably come down to the player and how his season with us has worked out.
There is a fine line, performance-wise, in terms of him doing well enough for us to want him permanently, and doing so well that we have no chance of keeping him (a la Rashford).
He's clearly a player who reacts well to being loved but if he's low on confidence then he's a passenger. If he gets that love and confidence at some point in the next few months then I can see him having a great second half of the season and I think both parties would be happy to make it permanent next summer. Not least because a great second half of the season from Sancho probably means we've had a good season overall and are back in the Champions League.
What he really needs is for something brilliant to come off at some point this side of the new year - a game which he completely turns around after coming on, or a dribble-past-three-players-and-stick-it-in-the-top-corner moment. Something for the crowd to use a hook to really get behind him and I think he'll click.
But without that catalyst, I think he'll just muddle along being a 6/10 body on the pitch.
He'll score a beauty against the Dogheads and push on from there. Come March we'll be talking of him in the same way Bailey was season before last.
And hopefully the year after that we won't be talking of him as we were for Bailey the season after...
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I said before that he's a player that you can see why he was highly rated and clubs keep taking him on, but you can also see why he falls short each time since leaving Germany.
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Pulled out of a 50/50 today to such an extent that I thought the commentator was gong to address via words of “ Sancho clearly didn’t fancy that one” albeit he refrained.
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I am certain he is capable of doing 'something', just not certain what or when?
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In the words of the famous song….
Send the bugger back.
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Pulled out of a 50/50 today to such an extent that I thought the commentator was gong to address via words of “ Sancho clearly didn’t fancy that one” albeit he refrained.
This is the problem when a player is nearing the end of a contract. If he gets injured, he's got nothing.
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7 a side player, like Coutinho. Diabolical appearance today.
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He’s going to be one of those, ‘bloody hell, I forgot he played for us’ players in years to come.
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I assume it’s a season long loan? Great £10m investment.
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I assume it’s a season long loan? Great £10m investment.
Dissasi was that for half a season!
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He's shit, send him back if we have a clause enabling that.
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Not great so far. Feel like if this doesn't work for him it's a clear trajectory of Everton>Norwich>retirement aged 30.
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We’ve had loan players over the years where you really want them to sign. Carbone, Snodgrass, Rashford and Asensio spring to mind. I’m not so sure this chap is going to fall into that category.
Let’s send him home and find a very tricky and pacey winger instead.
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Reckon my money would be on the trajectory of Dortmund>Hoffenheim>Fortuna Düsseldorf>retirement
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He's shit, send him back if we have a clause enabling that.
I agree, here is a bloke drinking in the last chance saloon and somehow has not heard that last orders are being called on his career.
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Reckon my money would be on the trajectory of Dortmund>Hoffenheim>Fortuna Düsseldorf>retirement
Yes, quite possibly.
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He was rubbish today, except for the first three minutes after he came on, when we had our first and only sustained passage of possession in the game. The immediate positive impact was quite notable, but was rapidly outweighed by his defensive weakness.
Also, I don’t buy the theory that he’s not trying. But he does seem to lack both strength and courage.
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We’ve had loan players over the years where you really want them to sign. Carbone, Snodgrass, Rashford and Asensio spring to mind. I’m not so sure this chap is going to fall into that category.
Let’s send him home and find a very tricky and pacey winger instead.
Given that Man U seem desperate to be rid of his wages, I can't see there being a clause in his contract that allows us to send him back.
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💩💩💩
Send him back to manure
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Darn it. So we’re stuck with him then, so I just hope he can find some sparkle. He’s got talent, just need to somehow get something out of him then.
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Man's not hot.
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Problem is in Sancho world is Villa a big enough club for him.
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He’s done a couple of things since he signed, a gorgeous cross against Sunderland away when Watkins fluffed his lines, some decent spells in Europe & unlucky not to score against Man City.
But otherwise, I tend to abide by what my lad said a few performances in, as he’s generally a really good judge of player. He basically said, ‘dad, I just don’t think he’s very good’.
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Too much, too young. Gone the way of Dele Ali.
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I so want him to the be the incredible winger we need as he'd add so much to what we already have. Sadly, I haven't seen him go past a single defender yet. All fart and no shit. If we have any money, it would be THE one position that I would like to buy for. As it stands, I wouldn't be buying Sancho.
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Bizarre signing then, even worse now. I’d get him packed back off to ManUre as soon as we possibly can. We simply cannot afford to carry expensive passengers like him, I’m afraid.
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Bizarre signing then, even worse now. I’d get him packed back off to ManUre as soon as we possibly can. We simply cannot afford to carry expensive passengers like him, I’m afraid.
Totally see what you’re saying.
Only thing nagging at the back of my mind is: he has actually been part of this good run, however accidental that may appear to be.
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We’ve had loan players over the years where you really want them to sign. Carbone, Snodgrass, Rashford and Asensio spring to mind. I’m not so sure this chap is going to fall into that category.
Let’s send him home and find a very tricky and pacey winger instead.
What a great shout.
Compare Sancho with someone like Snodgrass who would have played with one leg if we’d have asked him to.
There are true professionals and there are wasters.
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He looks like he should be a real player. He has the qualities but something is missing. And that goes back to what i've said before, you can see why he was highly rated and clubs keep trying with him, but you can also see why he frustrates them all and he doesn't settle anywhere since leaving Germany.
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Doesn't look like he cares about playing all that much.
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He looks like he should be a real player. He has the qualities but something is missing. And that goes back to what i've said before, you can see why he was highly rated and clubs keep trying with him, but you can also see why he frustrates them all and he doesn't settle anywhere since leaving Germany.
Beginning to think the overall standard in Germany is way below the Premier League. Apart from a couple of good teams the rest seem bog standard. Much easier to impress over there. In the Premier League there are no easy games.
Wirtz could be another example.
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Doesn’t have to care about playing.
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Too much, too young. Gone the way of Dele Ali.
No idea what Sancho is like but there's better examples of wasted talent than Deli Ali given what he went through growing up.
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Is the bottled challenge on the BBC highlights? It looks like he's dummying - allowing the ball to cross his body - hoping the defender over commits.
A calculated risk, rather than bottling it. It didn't come off but not sure he should be completely written off if that is the evidence.
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Is the bottled challenge on the BBC highlights? It looks like he's dummying - allowing the ball to cross his body - hoping the defender over commits.
A calculated risk, rather than bottling it. It didn't come off but not sure he should be completely written off if that is the evidence.
Which one? It wasn't a day or pitch for dummying anything. Sancho does all he can to avoid physical contact, utterly unacceptable on a day like yesterday.
I'm struggling to remember the last player we had like that. Nzogbia and Ireland were cowardly enough at their worst.
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It’s only a matter of time before someone slips in a “doesn’t like to get his shots dirty” comment and we’ll be back to the 1980s. He was fine when he came on, did some good stuff offensively, carried the ball well when he needed to and despite a couple of times when he lost the ball too easily I thought he was ok, nothing spectacular but it didn’t need to be, we were winning the game and just needed to see it out. He covered Maatsen very well for the most part defensively and they linked very well offensively. From some of the comments on here you’d think he’d scored two own goals and cost us the game.
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At least he hasn't got a big nose.
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I hope we can send him back in January. He’s defective
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he just doesn't influence anything in games - he looks lost.
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He will excel with a consistent run of gametime.
Malen was a slow starter also.
Give The Sanch time.
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Sancho is skillful, likes to combine with others but is ultimately very easy to defend against because his play is predictable, he’s largely one paced and has no body strength to hold off physical challenges.
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He will excel with a consistent run of gametime.
Malen was a slow starter also.
Give The Sanch time.
He’s bloody rubbish.
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Not seeing it so far! Return to sender!
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I thought he was half decent first half , but then returned to his previous form second half.
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In the ground I thought he had a good game, and is just lacking bit of confidence to take on a final shot. He certainly isn’t as bad as some of the comments are making out.
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Sancho is skillful, likes to combine with others but is ultimately very easy to defend against because his play is predictable, he’s largely one paced and has no body strength to hold off physical challenges.
He's also useless at kicking the ball with either foot.
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I've always been pretty patient with Sancho as I followed him when he was in Germany and always thought his clear talent would rise to the top, he's fantastic, so much skill, but, perverse as it would seem after a decent game for him tonight, I've made my mind up and I'd get rid as soon as we can.
He plays as if the wonderful pieces of skill he shows is of more benefit to the team than anything else, more important than the win or a goal for us. A computer game player, he's best suited to a middling team where his undoubted 'get the fans off their seats' once a game is enough.
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No fart. No shit.
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You couldn't describe him as productive, could you?
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A panic signing we have to hope we can reverse in January.
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Him, Guessand and Elliot as a parting gift from Monchi. Cheers. Thank god we have Unai.
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Between the three of them it must be close to £40m in fees and £400k a week in wages… that’s an Asensio sized hole. Or better still a Semenyo.
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Semenyo is off to Liverpool or Man City if you believe the rumours. If those clubs are genuinely interested, then forget it. Sancho has talent - unlike Guessand, he is definitely good enough to be playing at the highest level - so there’s at least a chance he’ll contribute somehow.
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Between the three of them it must be close to £40m in fees and £400k a week in wages… that’s an Asensio sized hole. Or better still a Semenyo.
That's the frustration: at a time when we were so financially constrained, we panicked and brought in three expensive lemons. And, I seem to remember Emery's assertion, soon after his arrival, that we would not use the transfer market to 'body-shop'; we'd only bring people who could add value and make a complementary contribution to the overall effort.
Of these 3, only Elliott looked likely to add real value; and he has not been played!
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From The Athletic
JADON SANCHO IS STILL A WORK IN PROGRESS AT ASTON VILLA – HE MUST PROVE HIMSELF QUICKLY
A gash to the top of his head, Donyell Malen made his way past the Holte End on its feet.
“Malen again, ole, ole,” echoed around Villa Park.
Malen had two goals to his name but was coming off, his impact leaving a greater mark than the attempts of some Young Boys supporters who launched cups at him after both of his goals.
The 26-year-old is steadily becoming impossible to ignore. Six goals in his last nine matches — made even more impressive by playing an average of 45 minutes per game — demonstrates the effect he continues to have, despite curbed game-time.
If Malen tends to be Unai Emery’s first attacking change, Jadon Sancho continues to vie to be the next. Sancho is yet to start a Premier League fixture for Aston Villa, reduced to just 14 per cent of all available minutes.
The Manchester United loanee’s career remains in a state of drift, compounded by the lack of rhythm that regular starts bring and confusion around what type of player he is.
Sancho has been around for some time, long in the public domain, and has drawn more attention and scrutiny than most. Lots has been written and said about a man who was once a boy star, yet very few really know what his footballing profile is.
The nature of such contradictions carried onto Thursday night, where Sancho’s individual data from Villa’s 2-1 victory against Young Boys shone favourably. The six chances created were the most of anyone on the pitch, with only two players creating more in a Europa League game this season.
At surface level, Sancho’s display was encouraging and provided a glimpse of the skill that once put him at the avant-garde of the exciting, young English players developing abroad.
“He had a good match,” Emery said after. “He had three or four chances to score. Now he has to be demanding of himself to score in those actions. Hopefully, he can help us with his qualities during the season. Today, I think he took a step forward.”
In truth, Sancho’s performance only exemplified the curiosity of him from a footballing standpoint. The numbers tell you his chance creation was high and regular, but the eye test shows a player who still appears inhibited and unlikely to convince Emery of a Premier League starting berth.
Sancho was neat in possession, aside from a wayward long switch of play that went out for a throw-in in the first half, and from 56 passes he registered an 89 per cent accuracy rate. However, delve into the weeds of those figures and a more telling gauge of his impact was the frequency of completed passes in the final third, which was just four.
A similar echo of his conservatism in possession was demonstrated through his dribbling. Sancho was once defined and measured by his ball manipulation and dribbling. Here, though, he failed to complete a single dribble, having only attempted one. His most threatening moments came when he was on the end of opportunities, skewing his best one wide in the final stages after a clever left-to-right blind-side run.
Following his signing, there was a feeling among some members of Villa staff that Sancho could turn out to be anything; very few were willing to assume how well the straight loan would go, with the Midlands club covering around 80 per cent of his weekly salary in the region of £200,000 plus a loan fee.
Sancho was not tracked in the same way as typical new recruits, explained by how swiftly the deal came together in the final days of the window and the fact he was among a narrowing pool of wide players available — the position Villa were badly in need of. Fundamentally, Sancho was a practical, albeit expensive, risk.
It was tough to envisage any club other than Villa, who have a manager in Emery who seeks to rehabilitate once precocious, now directionless, talents, taking a chance on him.
“Unai likes players who he thinks nobody can change,” says one observer.
Since arriving on a season-long loan, Sancho has largely been used to garnish Europa League matches Villa have been expected to win, rather than truly determine matches in the way Malen has or, arguably, what his talent as a youngster warranted. So against Young Boys, it was encouraging that Sancho played a full part — the first time he has completed a match since April.
“He finished tired, but we need a player with his skills,” Emery added. “We need him to improve, getting fit and feeling confident.”
Sancho is gradually becoming attuned to the coaching staff’s demands around professionalism and tactical responsibilities. These are cases of progress behind the scenes, yet the inescapable evidence on the pitch is that he is without a goal or assist in his ten Villa matches.
A home game against Young Boys offered the perfect conditions to Sancho, a newly low-cut sock wearer, and Villa’s other attackers.
Defensively, Young Boys’ set-up was conducive to how Emery wanted to attack. They had a back five with outside centre-backs who could be dragged into deep areas by the No 10s, including Sancho, leaving space for Malen to break into. Sancho’s direct marker, Tanguy Zoukrou, showed visible hesitancy in knowing when to apply pressure and when to hold his position, resulting in stuttering, back-and-forth movements that resembled the Hokey Cokey.
Consequently, the 23-cap England international was able to receive in the left half space, while being given license to drift across the final third and combine with team-mates. This, in theory, seemed favourable to a player who prefers to beat opponents through short, sharp interchanges which mitigate for his lack of explosive pace.
It is that particular drawback which seems to jar with modern football trends, based on fast transitions, direct wingers and a discernible shift away from slow, possession-based build-up.
In fairness, Emery is one of the managers who should suit Sancho stylistically, considering he still opts for control. With Sancho playing from the left, he invariably has a left-back behind him wanting to occupy high positions to overlap from.
Sancho is a work in progress from a Villa perspective, but his time at the club is finite. It is a season-long loan, coinciding with the end of his contract at United. He will almost certainly be a free agent in the summer. This would have seemed unfathomable not so long ago, especially in those early, most halcyon days at Borussia Dortmund.
Reinvigoration needs to happen swiftly, and so too does figuring out what type of player he is and, most crucially, what type he wants to be.
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I still think he shows promise. Keeps the ball, crosses it quite often, shoots quite often, makes things happen. Levels above Guessand I’m afraid, although admittedly not looking worth £160k a week at the moment. Half-decent sub.
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I still think he shows promise. Keeps the ball, crosses it quite often, shoots quite often, makes things happen. Levels above Guessand I’m afraid, although admittedly not looking worth £160k a week at the moment. Half-decent sub.
This where I’m at. I thought he was alright last night, not brilliant but showed enough that he’s worth persevering with and has something to contribute.
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I still think he shows promise. Keeps the ball, crosses it quite often, shoots quite often, makes things happen. Levels above Guessand I’m afraid, although admittedly not looking worth £160k a week at the moment. Half-decent sub.
This where I’m at. I thought he was alright last night, not brilliant but showed enough that he’s worth persevering with and has something to contribute.
He's improved as the season's gone on, but needs to profucecsn end product - he's here to create or score, otherwise send him bsck.
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I still think he shows promise. Keeps the ball, crosses it quite often, shoots quite often, makes things happen. Levels above Guessand I’m afraid, although admittedly not looking worth £160k a week at the moment. Half-decent sub.
This where I’m at. I thought he was alright last night, not brilliant but showed enough that he’s worth persevering with and has something to contribute.
Given what he costs us, I'd be sending him right back to Manc and looking at either promoting an Academy winger or seeking someone with greater potential.
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I thought he was quite good last night
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I thought he was quite good last night
In most of his matches he's looked "quite good" I reckon. Tidy, rarely gives the ball away, gets into positions where it looks like he might be about to do something...
And then doesn't.
At some point it would be nice if looking quite good translated into doing anything productive.
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skill that once put him at the avant-garde of the exciting, young English players developing abroad.
Avant-garde? Is he sure?
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skill that once put him at the avant-garde of the exciting, young English players developing abroad.
Avant-garde? Is he sure?
Yeah, Avant-Garde is Tim Sherwood.
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Très bien!
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Did Tanswell write that article? Great tactical analysis as ever. Dunno about avant-garde but Jacob, a mere 25, is at the vanguard of moder football writing.
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Yeah, Avant-Garde is Tim Sherwood.
I maintain that Tim Sherwood is the man repsonsible for the current popularity of gilets.
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He will excel with a consistent run of gametime.
Malen was a slow starter also.
Give The Sanch time.
Really?!
Your usual metric is that forwards should provide end results. He has so far given us ZERO goals and ZERO assists.
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He will excel with a consistent run of gametime.
Malen was a slow starter also.
Give The Sanch time.
Really?!
Your usual metric is that forwards should provide end results. He has so far given us ZERO goals and ZERO assists.
They should, and he will.
Ollie doesn't get that patience because he's been here six seasons, is a regular starter and is 30 next month. Sancho has hardly been given a chance. If he gets settled and stinks the pitch up as bad as Ollie has for the past 18 months then I'll be just as critical of him.
18 goals in his last 80 apps for Ollie is it?
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He's been here six years, five of which you ignore!
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He's been here six years, five of which you ignore!
I've never said he was shit before 18 months ago. Not sure why that keeps getting said tbh.
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You did everything you could to say that his goal record was bad actually and that assists don't matter, BUT - let's not spread this over two threads, I'm glad you now agree that he was, in fact, good for us. This means that we actually agree.
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Onana,Tielemans,Rogers and Malen were constantly beating poor,physical weak opponents.It should have been an ideal opportunity for him but he didn't pose much of an attacking threat.What was worse,he didn't give any support for Maatsen in the only area where Young Boys were any danger.
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You did everything you could to say that his goal record was bad actually and that assists don't matter, BUT - let's not spread this over two threads, I'm glad you now agree that he was, in fact, good for us. This means that we actually agree.
Monty you cannot keep lying and expect me not to respond.
I never once said assists don't 'count'. I said they are irrelevant when we are taking about goalscoring. If the discussion was about assists then they would be relevant to that context. The problem was that the Watkins Worshippers were desperate to include assists because his goalscoring wasn't good and they couldn't accept it.
One season aside, his goalscoring has never has been great. When I said this people then added his assists to bump his numbers up. That was why it became a back and forth thing.
But that doesn't mean he was shit and I never said he was shit. He was good enough for the first few years because that was our level. We were trying to stay in the PL and establish ourselves. He isn't good enough now and hasn't been for 18 months. And this season particularly he has been diabolical.
The Sanch will come good but he has to be given a chance and a run in the team.
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Boh.
Anyway, yes, young Jadon. I hope he comes good, but I've got a bad feeling. Just a bit...insubstantial. The contrast with Rashford is too striking to me - there's a problematic lack of breakthrough, lack of vim in his dribbles. We shall see.
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I don’t get the same vibes from Sancho that I was getting from Rashford to be honest
You could say they’ve both come to Villa Park to try and reignite their careers, Rashford is now playing well for Barcelona. I don’t think Sancho will ever play at the very highest level again.
In fact I look at him as a bit of a fraud actually and think how did you get anyone to pay 80 odd million for you and pay you 300K a week
I mean he’s not rubbish and he does some decent things but he’s not 300k good nowhere near
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The penny might drop that we are the last big club he might ever play for…. He may not care, he doesn’t need to, it’s just if he has any professional pride.
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Boh.
Anyway, yes, young Jadon. I hope he comes good, but I've got a bad feeling. Just a bit...insubstantial. The contrast with Rashford is too striking to me - there's a problematic lack of breakthrough, lack of vim in his dribbles. We shall see.
I think that is a direct compare and contrast. Rashford had grown out and old of United and realistically should have moved 3 or 4 years ago.
Sancho seems to have grown old and out of pro football par se.
Half a good season in 4.5 years.
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I don’t have Sky or TNT so didn’t see Sancho at Dortmund when he was apparently quite good. But for Manyoo, England and Villa he has never done anything to make me believe he could be as good as say Marc Albrighton, never mind a top class player.
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An out of form,possibly not fully fit,Ollie playing out of position as a wide player would offer more than either Sancho or Guessand.
With Sancho's age 25 and a good goalscoring record for a wide player, 1 in 3 for Dortmund.,Ithought he might be a good acquisition.However,his goal scoring record is getting worse ,with less than 1 in 10 for Chelsea and goaless for us.
Unfortunately,he has to be judged as solely a striker.His assist contribution is weak and his defensive work is non existent.
With Guessand,it's the other way round.Work rate and defensive work excellent but I haven't seen evidence of an ability to beat a full back , making an angle for a cross or having a shot.A full back masquerading as a winger.
We are in desperate need of a pacy attacker with a goal threat or a good goalscoring midfielder.The former would transform our attack.
.The latter would bring back the mobilty and flair of a Rogers,Rashford(Malen) and Asensio (new midfielder) trio.
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Asensio has done ok in Turkey 6 goals in 9 games , the league is probably shit but £7.5 milllion seems a buy. Not scored in the Europa thou so hopefully that stays the same .
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Asensio is brilliant and I wish he was still here.
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Maybe Dobbin comes back to provide the wide player we need ...
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Probably one of the most pathetic and cowardly cameo substitute appearances I’ve ever seen. Send him back in Jan if we can
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Ì think he may well be the most spineless player I've ever seen wearing a Villa shirt.
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That 'cameo' was as spineless/gutless as they come. This joker should be nowhere near our team.
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He makes Bailey look like David Goggins.
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That cameo was so bad I think even Guessand would have done better.
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I think he needs to retire - he just doesn't seem like he wants it
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I think he needs to retire - he just doesn't seem like he wants it
There is absolutely no point he plays for us ever again.
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Absolutely terrible. Looks scared to be on the pitch. Nowhere near good enough. Get rid in January.
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Not the time to bring him on really.
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Twice he was given the ball, and lost it feebly. Once he stepped aside from a ball coming down from the air, content to let his opponent just have the ball. Once he just booted the ball aimlessly into their half, conceding easy possession, when he could have kept possession and driven us upfield. That was it. The cameo.
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Not the time to bring him on really.
When is?
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Terrible cameo
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This feels like his last chance at a big club in England so you'd think he'd be giving everything every second he's on the pitch but it's all a bit meh with him.
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He was shit.
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Not the time to bring him on really.
When is?
After that today, never.
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This feels like his last chance at a big club in England so you'd think he'd be giving everything every second he's on the pitch but it's all a bit meh with him.
If he was meh I'd have less of a problem with him.
As it is he looks like someone who doesn't really want to be there. And his lack of bollocks is driving me nuts. From now on he should be known as the eunuch.
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Weird thing is, he looked totally up for it as he was coming on.
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Not the time to bring him on really.
I said that at the time - strange sub by Emery
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He really is a waste of space good if we can upgrade in January and send him back to United.
I didn't mind when we signed him as cover and played with Maatsen at BVD but let's see who else we can get.
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He really is a waste of space good if we can upgrade in January and send him back to United.
I didn't mind when we signed him as cover and played with Maatsen at BVD but let's see who else we can get.
just getting him off the wage bill is an upgrade. Surely we've got someone in the U21/18 setup that offers more
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I’m sure I’d rather gamble on Elliott than Sancho. But then we don’t see what they are like at the training ground.
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Can we definitely send him back in January or are we stuck with him for the season??
That sub appearance was Ali Dia-esque.
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Decent player, but massively overpaid.
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Decent player, but massively overpaid.
He's not a decent player, he's utterly useless.
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Decent player, but massively overpaid.
He was about 5 years ago. His lack of effort against Leeds and Young Boys was noticeable as well. Amazed the other players don’t call him out
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Think he's genuinely trying. And plenty of footballing qualities. It's just he's not very smart.
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Absolute bobbins since he's been here. If I see him chicken out of another tackle, my piss will literally boil.
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Twice he was given the ball, and lost it feebly. Once he stepped aside from a ball coming down from the air, content to let his opponent just have the ball. Once he just booted the ball aimlessly into their half, conceding easy possession, when he could have kept possession and driven us upfield. That was it. The cameo.
Spot on...however you missed out jumping out of an aeriel challenge on the edge of our box. Spineless is the word. He has a heart the size of a pea. He is cowardly in possession and even worse out of it.
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I think he'll come good. He's an Emery player. Keeps the ball in tights spaces and moves it around nicely.
Not today, obviously.
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They had a throwing deep into our half, the ball went high in the air above our boy.
Of course, he deemed it unnecessary to jump or challenge for the ball.
A bit of a waster I’m afraid.
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I think he'll come good. He's an Emery player. Keeps the ball in tights spaces and moves it around nicely.
Not today, obviously.
He won’t. He will be gone in January and some other mugs will take him on.
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I thought Unai could improve him but so far he hasn’t. £175k pw we’re paying him😩
At least Rashford hit the ground running
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He makes Bailey look like David Goggins.
Who was that, the husband of yer one in Postman Pat ?
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Please return to sender in January, faulty goods.
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His heart is not with Aston Villa.
Taxi asap.
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Please return to sender in January, faulty goods.
yup
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Please send him back in January if at all possible. He offers absolutely nothing.
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Hard to escape the thought he epitomizes our summer business* - panicked, misjudged and not fit for purpose.
*Bizot gets a pass.
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I thought he did alright on Thursday and he’s been generally Ok, nothing more, since he arrived. However he was absolutely shite today.
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My 12 yr old would have put in a better shift.
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I don’t think we’ll be buying him
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I don’t think we’ll be buying him
I hope not. He was shocking when he came on.
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Blowing out of his arse 15 minutes after entering the field of play and no stomach for the fight at the end.
A player with the opportunity he has should be chomping at the bit. He can't be arsed and just picks up big wages.
Bye.
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I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.
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If he is on the same wage as Jack G , mcgrath knows wont we didnt get JG instead , at least his heart would be in it. Ive said he has been ok up to now but today was pretty dire , not a good look.
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I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.
I base what he is on seeing what he does, and today he gave the ball up every time anybody went near him.
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Pitiful, absolutely pitiful.
The heart of a gnat.
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Pitiful, absolutely pitiful.
The heart of a gnat.
exactly.
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I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.
Agreed.
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I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.
Rewatch him today. Awful. No effort whatsoever
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I am yet to watch him take on and beat a player on the inside or the outside. It does create a bit of movement and helps us keep the ball but he hasn’t done anything as yet that would make me want to sign him on a permanent basis. It remains a problem position for us.
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I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.
Agreed.
I tend to agree and have been willing him to come good, but that really was the most pitful of cameos yesterday.
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Pitiful, absolutely pitiful.
The heart of a gnat.
Football fans can put up with loss of form but if you don’t show effort and desire you are done. We need someone else in Jan.
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Can we send him back?
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Can we send him back?
Weren't Roma in for him? Maybe we could send him there and bring Leon back, even last season's Bailey would be a big improvment.
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Really don't think it is a question of effort. To me, he looks very engaged, energetic, concentrated even.
The issue to my mind is that he lacks courage – two incidents yesterday, the much mentioned high ball that he left for the opponent rather than challenge him in the air, and the chance that he had where he could have got a shot off (but it would probably have hurt). He gives off a strange animalistic fight-or-flight vibe, that everyone can instantly sense. It was the same with the tackle he declined versus Citeh, and another one versus Leeds. I'm sure there are others.
Since the fans find that lack of courage shocking, we let him know pretty directly. That leads to a loss of confidence and really unsmart play like that needless clearance and turnover of possession.
I predict that salvation will only come if or when he shows us that he has cojones.
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He’s been very disappointing, more disappointing than any of our recent loans.
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💩💩💩
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Tell us what you really think, DC!
;D
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I am not sure he is the in the trenches player that we are looking for
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He’s been very disappointing, more disappointing than any of our recent loans.
He’s not been more disappointing than Elliott.
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💩💩💩
Tell us what you really think, DC!
;D
Haha
I would but i might get a ban!
Lets just say i dont rate him very much !
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He’s been very disappointing, more disappointing than any of our recent loans.
He’s not been more disappointing than Elliott.
We can’t compare if he isn’t getting a kick and at least Elliot scored our first goal of the season.
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Given his willingness to give up possession without so much as a whimper, I genuinely think we'd be stronger with 10 men than we would with Sancho making up an 11.
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I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.
Agreed.
I tend to agree and have been willing him to come good, but that really was the most pitful of cameos yesterday.
I'm with this. But also I think he's worrying about getting injured and not getting another contract.
He seems like a good lad, in the tunnel prior to kick off in Thursday he made a point of interacting with all of the mascots. That tells me he's a decent guy.
We definitely need more output though.
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I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.
My view of his history is that he’s a decent player ruined by the man utd environment
so I was expecting him to be pretty good and effective, or at least contribute but he’s been none of these things and to be truly honest he was bordering on a liability when he came on and kept losing possession
I expected a lot more and for the money he’s trousering i’m not arsed listening to excuses
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I just think yesterday was a difficult game for the attacking players to get up to speed with. Watkins and Barkley both found it tough as well and so did their attacking subs. It was a odd game in that way, periods of frenetic and very aggressive play and then 5-10minute spells where both sides seemed to agree to a bit of a break to get their breath. It led to a game that was very low on quality and didn't give much space for creative play.
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He seems to play on the wrong flank. I know it’s the modern way but he is so right footed he has to cut inside no matter how promising the position he picks up the ball in.
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I just think yesterday was a difficult game for the attacking players to get up to speed with. Watkins and Barkley both found it tough as well and so did their attacking subs. It was a odd game in that way, periods of frenetic and very aggressive play and then 5-10minute spells where both sides seemed to agree to a bit of a break to get their breath. It led to a game that was very low on quality and didn't give much space for creative play.
It’s true what you say yet other players whilst maybe had not great games but still managed to provide a performance level Martinez, Konsa, Pau, Kamara, McGinn, Tielamans yet the highest payed player on the pitch couldn’t even for short time
he won’t be here for long, he’s not been worth the outlay, he’s been a disappointment unfortunately
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I just think yesterday was a difficult game for the attacking players to get up to speed with. Watkins and Barkley both found it tough as well and so did their attacking subs. It was a odd game in that way, periods of frenetic and very aggressive play and then 5-10minute spells where both sides seemed to agree to a bit of a break to get their breath. It led to a game that was very low on quality and didn't give much space for creative play.
It’s true what you say yet other players whilst maybe had not great games but still managed to provide a performance level Martinez, Konsa, Pau, Kamara, McGinn, Tielamans yet the highest payed player on the pitch couldn’t even for short time
he won’t be here for long, he’s not been worth the outlay, he’s been a disappointment unfortunately
But they all started the game. For me the only sub who had a decent performance was Onana and that's mostly because he's absolutely perfect to bring on in a battle like that.
I'm not excusing him for how he played, justr pointing out that yesterday isn't a good game to judge him on in particular.
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He'll be off to Dortmund on a free transfer at the end of the season. As the season progresses, he'll give less of a fuck, if that's possible.
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I just think yesterday was a difficult game for the attacking players to get up to speed with. Watkins and Barkley both found it tough as well and so did their attacking subs. It was a odd game in that way, periods of frenetic and very aggressive play and then 5-10minute spells where both sides seemed to agree to a bit of a break to get their breath. It led to a game that was very low on quality and didn't give much space for creative play.
It’s true what you say yet other players whilst maybe had not great games but still managed to provide a performance level Martinez, Konsa, Pau, Kamara, McGinn, Tielamans yet the highest payed player on the pitch couldn’t even for short time
he won’t be here for long, he’s not been worth the outlay, he’s been a disappointment unfortunately
But they all started the game. For me the only sub who had a decent performance was Onana and that's mostly because he's absolutely perfect to bring on in a battle like that.
I'm not excusing him for how he played, justr pointing out that yesterday isn't a good game to judge him on in particular.
I thought Barkley looked good myself.
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Seems weak and a shirker, doesn’t go in for tackles and lacks a general willingness for me
Send him back in Jan if we can get someone else in, or try and adapt Elliott to the left side of midfield.
Would love Diaby back on loan instead of him
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He's had a bit of criticism in recent weeks (justified in my opinion) but thought he did well when he came on today.
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Yeah, got in amongst them and played a vital role in the winner.
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I really want him to do well, I love players with good technique. You can tell that if he gets himself together he’ll hardly ever give the ball away.
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He's has a bit of criticism in recent weeks (justified in my opinion) but thought he did well when he came on today.
The Sunderland fans watching the game also said he did well when the came on.
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He did well today after coming on. It's clear he has the talent. I hope he knows he'll never be at a better club with a better environment to show that talent.
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Jadon Sancho did really well when he came. He's getting used to UE's system and tactics. He"s class and a tricky player with great skill.