Not getting Rashford vibes with this one. I hope I’m wrong obviously, but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen this lad do anything of any note.
Champions League, here we come. Sanchy and Lindy will save us.
Wonder what the wages are.Anything more than the minimum wage and we have been had over.
Fuck this, he's fucking shite. I'd rather have kept Bailey.Well yes, I’d agree
He doesn't seem to be a rapist, so not the worst Man U winger we could have signed. Every cloud.
I thought Rashford would be a disaster, and he wasn't too bad.
Champions League, here we come. Sanchy and Lindy will save us.
80% of his wages!
Not getting Rashford vibes with this one. I hope I’m wrong obviously, but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen this lad do anything of any note.
We obviously do not fucking learn80% of his wages!
That's astonishing. That's absolutely fucking astonishing. Wes and Nas should refuse to sanction it.
80% of his wages!
That's astonishing. That's absolutely fucking astonishing. Wes and Nas should refuse to sanction it.
If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Well fucking quite.
If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Not getting Rashford vibes with this one. I hope I’m wrong obviously, but I’m not sure I’ve ever seen this lad do anything of any note.
Oddly, I am getting Rashford vibes
I can’t lie, it freaks my nut that any top-half Premier League manager, never mind Unai Emery, wants Sancho. He’s got such a lovely touch and imagination, but sadly lacks the physicality to succeed in England, while there are also questions about his mentality. It’s hard to see this one working.
I wonder why we didn't just activate the agreement we had for Rashford if we can now find these kind of wages.
It might work out if he hits the gym and strengthens up like an old tank. Sancho Panzer, if you will.
I'm extremely sorry.
I wonder why we didn't just activate the agreement we had for Rashford if we can now find these kind of wages.
because we couldn't afford it when he was available and he wanted to go to Barca anyway.
If no loan fee then not so bad...
He's on a lot less than Greasy.I hope you’re right….
He has brilliant levels of skill and ability, and if there's anyone who could get it out of him it's Emery.
If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Something about his dad according to the mob on here. Grealish after 10 pints is a better player than this clown.
If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Something about his dad according to the mob on here. Grealish after 10 pints is a better player than this clown.
Yep, the club looked on here and went, "some people on HandV have doubts, lets not sign him".
Although I doubt Jack would have 4 assists playing for us. It seems that Everton have told Dewsbury-Hall that when the ball goes to Jack, make a run ahead of him for him to find. We would have been telling him to pass it back to the halfway line for Tielemans to recycle.
If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Something about his dad according to the mob on here. Grealish after 10 pints is a better player than this clown.
Yep, the club looked on here and went, "some people on HandV have doubts, lets not sign him".
Although I doubt Jack would have 4 assists playing for us. It seems that Everton have told Dewsbury-Hall that when the ball goes to Jack, make a run ahead of him for him to find. We would have been telling him to pass it back to the halfway line for Tielemans to recycle.
If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Fancy being our sporting director? You would do a better job than monchi with common sense like this.
It blows my mind we wouldnt go for grealish yet go for sancho who is a bad apple.
I don't want Sancho because he's always come across as a twat but despite reportedly being crap his record in the last season and a half at Dortmund and Chelsea is roughly 1 in 3 to get a goal or assist. If he comes in and offers that sort of form then that'll be 15ish g+a for the season which would be a big step up from what Bailey and Ramsey gave us last year.
If we do this, why couldn’t we bring Jack back?
Fancy being our sporting director? You would do a better job than monchi with common sense like this.
It blows my mind we wouldnt go for grealish yet go for sancho who is a bad apple.
I would rather go for luiz than grealish if i was everton.
Jacks best days are over
There will be people on here who stick up for the backroom staff at Villa who deal with transfers/contracts, etc, but our approach this past few windows has frankly been abysmal.
Barring Kamara and Rogers, our squad is worse than the Dean Smith/Gerrard squad that Unai inherited (*with age taken into consideration too).
If today finishes with Martinez out and the only incomings being Lindelof and Sancho, heads need to roll.
Similar dynamic to when other teams sign Raheem Sterling.Ooo we could get him as well and have a matching set of complete wastrels.
Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
I don't like the talk of covering 80% of his wages though.
Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
I don't like the talk of covering 80% of his wages though.
I feel sorry for our social media team, imagine having to try and spin Sancho and Lindelof as positives.
Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
I don't like the talk of covering 80% of his wages though.
Is he bollocks.
Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.Man U and Chelsea hoped they'd get the Dortmund version. Chelsea ultimately paid £5m to NOT keep him.
Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.
Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.Man U and Chelsea hoped they'd get the Dortmund version. Chelsea ultimately paid £5m to NOT keep him.
Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.
I admire your optimism but that is 4 years ago. Like when Stoke beat us to the Michael Owen signature I thought he won't play a dozen games
Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.Man U and Chelsea hoped they'd get the Dortmund version. Chelsea ultimately paid £5m to NOT keep him.
That sums it up - they couldn't be bothered with of even bothering to get him, loan him to I dunno Leverkusen or Sevilla and hoping for a break even, Just pay a retropective additonal £5m in loan fees
I feel sorry for our social media team, imagine having to try and spin Sancho and Lindelof as positives.Imagine the grief they'd have been in for if we signed a crocked pisshead from Manchester United in 1989 and social media existed?
Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
I don't like the talk of covering 80% of his wages though.
Yeah but will he score more than Watkins?
Sancho is a more talented player than Rashford is. I'm more excited by this than I was when Rashford signed. He's a much better player.
If Unai can get the best out of him we will be laughing.
I don't like the talk of covering 80% of his wages though.
Is he bollocks.
I feel sorry for our social media team, imagine having to try and spin Sancho and Lindelof as positives.Imagine the grief they'd have been in for if we signed a crocked pisshead from Manchester United in 1989 and social media existed?
If the snake hasn’t got his dream move to Yanited and has to remain - even for the next few months - it hopefully puts the kybosh on this one. A very small win in a monumentally shit summer.
Assume we were only going to pay 80 per cent of this prat’s wages on the proviso Emi was out the door.
UNITED STARS CHOOSE VILLA
The Man United BBC at it again.
Both Sancho and Elliott are now at Villa to complete medicals and the formalities of their loan moves.
United sources say Aston Villa will pay 80% of Sancho's wages, while there are easily achievable bonuses which should bring the total up to 100%.
Wonder what the wages are.
The Man United BBC at it again.
Both Sancho and Elliott are now at Villa to complete medicals and the formalities of their loan moves.
United sources say Aston Villa will pay 80% of Sancho's wages, while there are easily achievable bonuses which should bring the total up to 100%.
Thats unbelievable what a idiotic deal. Almost 100% of his wages. Feck me
Wonder what the wages are.
Massive and we'll be picking them all up.
Chelsea did not pay a loan fee for the player and covered just half of his reported £300,000-a-week wages.
The Man United BBC at it again.
Both Sancho and Elliott are now at Villa to complete medicals and the formalities of their loan moves.
United sources say Aston Villa will pay 80% of Sancho's wages, while there are easily achievable bonuses which should bring the total up to 100%.
Thats unbelievable what a idiotic deal. Almost 100% of his wages. Feck me
You'd presume those bonuses are comparable with the rest of the squad for reaching a level such as the Champions League.
If he qualifies for said bonus then he will have had to have played a part and been well worth the money.
Wonder what the wages are.
Massive and we'll be picking them all up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cr4z1egxlv5oQuoteChelsea did not pay a loan fee for the player and covered just half of his reported £300,000-a-week wages.
Grealish would have given the entire club, including the dressing room, a lift when we badly needed it. It's not even about the assists. Everton were so bad v Leeds, like way worse than even us v Brentford. He starts the next day and gives every other player around him a lift from his first touch. He has a presence about him. He's like the player Sancho think he is, if you separate heart, courage etc
It's an act of self sabotage not to have brought him back and instead piss away money on this clown.
Wonder what the wages are.
Massive and we'll be picking them all up.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cr4z1egxlv5oQuoteChelsea did not pay a loan fee for the player and covered just half of his reported £300,000-a-week wages.
Sancho isn’t a bad player. He’s got a lot to prove at PL level however. We can only hope we are getting the Dortmund version.
I admire your optimism but that is 4 years ago. Like when Stoke beat us to the Michael Owen signature I thought he won't play a dozen games
Sancho is 25. A bit of difference than getting the broken down end of career Michael Owen Stoke got.
This is not a guy you need when the chips are down along with morale.
In hindsight (not signing Asensio) signing Grealish would have been a sensible option for on and off-pitch reasons.
But he's definitely not an Emery player - Unai doesn't even want players to shoot from outside the box, let alone do the stuff Grealish can do.
Grealish would have given the entire club, including the dressing room, a lift when we badly needed it. It's not even about the assists. Everton were so bad v Leeds, like way worse than even us v Brentford. He starts the next day and gives every other player around him a lift from his first touch. He has a presence about him. He's like the player Sancho think he is, if you separate heart, courage etc
It's an act of self sabotage not to have brought him back and instead piss away money on this clown.
He hadn't "left" Everton players several seasons earlier. We have seen this week that our players don't seem to like players who seem to be abandoning them.
But I was mainly picking up that Moyes is given him
freedom of play AND telling other players to make runs when he has the ball and he is not in a rigid style of play like under Pep. Which managers style do you think Emery is closer too?
Grealish would have given the entire club, including the dressing room, a lift when we badly needed it. It's not even about the assists. Everton were so bad v Leeds, like way worse than even us v Brentford. He starts the next day and gives every other player around him a lift from his first touch. He has a presence about him. He's like the player Sancho think he is, if you separate heart, courage etc
It's an act of self sabotage not to have brought him back and instead piss away money on this clown.
He hadn't "left" Everton players several seasons earlier. We have seen this week that our players don't seem to like players who seem to be abandoning them.
But I was mainly picking up that Moyes is given him
freedom of play AND telling other players to make runs when he has the ball and he is not in a rigid style of play like under Pep. Which managers style do you think Emery is closer too?
Grealish was a very popular player when at the club. He went with the best wishes of the likes of McGinn and Mings and banked the club 100m. It isn't comparable in the slightest to Martinez.
Emery has given Rogers a similar license in the first few games. Grealish is the perfect fit for our system under Emery. His ability to keep the ball high up the pitch is helping Everton no end and would have done the same for Watkins and Rogers neither of whom could trap a bag of sand currently. Monumental fuck up not to have brought him back.
Monumental fuck up not to have brought him back.
Monumental fuck up not to have brought him back.
So you keep on saying even though I can't see Grealish being used any differently under Emery then he was at Citeh under Pep. To compare him to Rogers who Emery dotes on and seems to see no wrong in at all no matter how poor he plays (I wonder how much that is pissing off other squad players) also seems off.
I'm in the Grealish > Sancho camp too.
By a million fucking miles.
Fuck Grealish coming back.
Fuck Grealish coming back.
That sound you hear is the bottom of the barrel being scraped. Not only is he a poor excuse for a footballer, his attitude completely stinks, too much money too young and he doesn't give a shit. My only doubt with Sancho is which current Villa player will be involved in a punch up with him at Bodymoor Heath.
Konsa, McGinn, Mings - evens.
Buendia - 2/1
Onana - 4/1
Martinez - 6/1
Malen - 8/1
Pako Ayestarán - 10/1
The whole squad and coaching team kicking the shit out of him (my favourite) - 25/1
That sound you hear is the bottom of the barrel being scraped. Not only is he a poor excuse for a footballer, his attitude completely stinks, too much money too young and he doesn't give a shit. My only doubt with Sancho is which current Villa player will be involved in a punch up with him at Bodymoor Heath.
Konsa, McGinn, Mings - evens.
Buendia - 2/1
Onana - 4/1
Martinez - 6/1
Malen - 8/1
Pako Ayestarán - 10/1
The whole squad and coaching team kicking the shit out of him (my favourite) - 25/1
Konsa and Onana? Id give Sancho some credit getting stuck into those two.
🚨 NEW: Marcus Rashford played a role in convincing Jadon Sancho to move to Aston Villa.
@GraemeBailey
Keep your gob shut next time
When did Sancho last have a decent season?When did he last have a decent game?
He scored a goal in a European final last season, hopefully he can repeat that trick for us.
spot onI'm in the Grealish > Sancho camp too.
By a million fucking miles.
I am in that camp. I am also in the neither are a good fit for us.
When did Sancho last have a decent season?
Have to say, I’ve got Rashford vibes with this one
Did Sancho and Maatsen ever coincide and link-up sexily on the left?
Have to say, I’ve got Rashford vibes with this one
That’s good then, isn’t it?
🚨 NEW: Marcus Rashford played a role in convincing Jadon Sancho to move to Aston Villa.
@GraemeBailey
Keep your gob shut next time
Sancho was excellent in the season before last on loan at Dortmund. Also played 40 odd games last season at Chelsea. Warming to him with Emery’s coaching
Assists don't count.
What the hell is all this “should’ve bought Grealish back” talk about?
Big Keinan scored for Udinese at the weekend, should we bring him back too given our lack of goals?
What the hell is all this “should’ve bought Grealish back” talk about?
Big Keinan scored for Udinese at the weekend, should we bring him back too given our lack of goals?
What the hell is all this “should’ve bought Grealish back” talk about?
Big Keinan scored for Udinese at the weekend, should we bring him back too given our lack of goals?
Yes!
People say they would prefer Grealish over Sancho, and I completely agree but that is easy to just say. Everton have agreed to pay 50 mil next season for someone who will be 31 and on god knows what a week. There aren't many teams in Europe who would have agreed that considering his recent form.
People say they would prefer Grealish over Sancho, and I completely agree but that is easy to just say. Everton have agreed to pay 50 mil next season for someone who will be 31 and on god knows what a week. There aren't many teams in Europe who would have agreed that considering his recent form.
I think they can choose to pay £50m if they think it's worth it.
Surely even Everton wouldn't be stupid enough to spend 50m on a 31 year old Grealish?
I'll give him a chance, just one though. First mistake and he's in for it.
If it all goes well, he could even be our best ever player to have a surname starting with "Sanch".
I'll give him a chance, just one though. First mistake and he's in for it.
If he says "roundabout" instead of "island", he can fuck right off.
I'll give him a chance, just one though. First mistake and he's in for it.
If he says "roundabout" instead of "island", he can fuck right off.
Exactly. Give him a chance at first though - invite him in to your mum's, offer him a buttered bap and make sure he doen't run off down an alleyway.
Lazy waster who'll throw a strop when he inevitably gets hooked for being a lazy waster.
Welcome.
Lazy waster who'll throw a strop when he inevitably gets hooked for being a lazy waster.
Welcome.
Everybody and his Uncle knows what he's trying to do is tread the same path Rashford did, that's to get his career back on track then try and bounce on to another club that he wants to play at, on the positive side providing we get a good season out of him, a few goals along the way, that's the best we can look for.
Lazy waster who'll throw a strop when he inevitably gets hooked for being a lazy waster.
Welcome.
Everybody and his Uncle knows what he's trying to do is tread the same path Rashford did, that's to get his career back on track then try and bounce on to another club that he wants to play at, on the positive side providing we get a good season out of him, a few goals along the way, that's the best we can look for.
If the result is that Barcelona sign him next summer that would suggest that he won't have had the disastrous season that is being predicted, no?
If it all goes well, he could even be our best ever player to have a surname starting with "Sanch".
Plus 'Sancho Villa' has a nice ring to it.
Lazy waster who'll throw a strop when he inevitably gets hooked for being a lazy waster.
Welcome.
Everybody and his Uncle knows what he's trying to do is tread the same path Rashford did, that's to get his career back on track then try and bounce on to another club that he wants to play at, on the positive side providing we get a good season out of him, a few goals along the way, that's the best we can look for.
If the result is that Barcelona sign him next summer that would suggest that he won't have had the disastrous season that is being predicted, no?
If it all goes well, he could even be our best ever player to have a surname starting with "Sanch".
Plus 'Sancho Villa' has a nice ring to it.
Haha, very good!
My son's German team is Dortmund (he was verboten by me from following Bayern) and when Sancho was there, he was his favourite player. Anyone who tries to rewrite his time there as "not that good" is being disingenuous, he was superb. Shame he went to the Old Trafford career graveyard.
One thing that puzzles me a bit though, is: Sancho prefers playing on the right. Elliott prefers playing on the right. Guessand prefers playing on the right. Malen prefers playing on the right. Not sure how this all fits together.
If it all goes well, he could even be our best ever player to have a surname starting with "Sanch".
Plus 'Sancho Villa' has a nice ring to it.
Haha, very good!
My son's German team is Dortmund (he was verboten by me from following Bayern) and when Sancho was there, he was his favourite player. Anyone who tries to rewrite his time there as "not that good" is being disingenuous, he was superb. Shame he went to the Old Trafford career graveyard.
One thing that puzzles me a bit though, is: Sancho prefers playing on the right. Elliott prefers playing on the right. Guessand prefers playing on the right. Malen prefers playing on the right. Not sure how this all fits together.
Well at least Cash might find one of them
Lazy waster who'll throw a strop when he inevitably gets hooked for being a lazy waster.
Welcome.
Everybody and his Uncle knows what he's trying to do is tread the same path Rashford did, that's to get his career back on track then try and bounce on to another club that he wants to play at, on the positive side providing we get a good season out of him, a few goals along the way, that's the best we can look for.
If the result is that Barcelona sign him next summer that would suggest that he won't have had the disastrous season that is being predicted, no?
The point I was making was a spring board to other clubs, Sancho will never play for Barca and yes as mentioned if we get a good season out of him we've done well, point is, IF we do he'll be off.
If it all goes well, he could even be our best ever player to have a surname starting with "Sanch".
Plus 'Sancho Villa' has a nice ring to it.
Haha, very good!
My son's German team is Dortmund (he was verboten by me from following Bayern) and when Sancho was there, he was his favourite player. Anyone who tries to rewrite his time there as "not that good" is being disingenuous, he was superb. Shame he went to the Old Trafford career graveyard.
One thing that puzzles me a bit though, is: Sancho prefers playing on the right. Elliott prefers playing on the right. Guessand prefers playing on the right. Malen prefers playing on the right. Not sure how this all fits together.
I guess it could be worse, we could have gone for Delle Alli
Not particularly quick but he is technically very good. But no way he fits the midfield four setup and like you I don't see any system that accommodates those four.
Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
I doubt we want/were able to do a permanent deal.
Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
Actually happy about that. It would bw a complete waste of money
Should we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
I doubt we want/were able to do a permanent deal.
Rumour was a swap deal for emi
As a casual Dortmund fan as well I loved Sancho and was gutted he went to united. If he can get anywhere near his Dortmund form we have got a great player on our hands.
However I'm not convinced he still has it in him but hope to be proved wrong.
Giving me Scott Sinclair vibes.
As a casual Dortmund fan as well I loved Sancho and was gutted he went to united. If he can get anywhere near his Dortmund form we have got a great player on our hands.
However I'm not convinced he still has it in him but hope to be proved wrong.
I watched a fair bit of him when he was in his first spell at Dortmund, he was very, very good, but from memory seemed to play in an inside forward sort of area rather than a touchline hugging winger. Like Malen.
Rumour was a swap deal for emiShould we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
I doubt we want/were able to do a permanent deal.
Rumour was a swap deal for emiShould we be worried he didn’t want to sign permanently? Although it does appear that that meant we kept Emi which I’m sure will do wonders for their relationship?
I doubt we want/were able to do a permanent deal.
Everything yesterday was that we take him on loan but the loan fee would be covered from the Emi fee. I definitely didn't read anything he was anymore then a loan signing with a purchase next year maybe.
Well that last bit is definitely not true, if we want to keep him it'll just be a case of offering him a contract because this is his Man U contract is up next summer.
31 appearances for chelsea.
Well that last bit is definitely not true, if we want to keep him it'll just be a case of offering him a contract because this is his Man U contract is up next summer.
Yeah, there would have been no sense for anyone (apart from Man Utd) in making this a permanent thing now.
He might as well keep his options as open as possible for next summer and based on the last few years we'd be silly to commit to anything more than a year so we can test where he.
If he's better than most peope expect of him, then I imagine we'll be happy to keep him and he'll decide whether us or Dortmund is where his future lies. If he's not, I guess he heads back to Germany, somewhere not as good as Dortmund.
Well that last bit is definitely not true, if we want to keep him it'll just be a case of offering him a contract because this is his Man U contract is up next summer.
Yeah, there would have been no sense for anyone (apart from Man Utd) in making this a permanent thing now.
He might as well keep his options as open as possible for next summer and based on the last few years we'd be silly to commit to anything more than a year so we can test where he.
If he's better than most peope expect of him, then I imagine we'll be happy to keep him and he'll decide whether us or Dortmund is where his future lies. If he's not, I guess he heads back to Germany, somewhere not as good as Dortmund.
Or ManU take up the extension option.
If we want him and he wants to come they may take up the option, charge us say 20m which we're prepared to pay and they get gree money.
I read somewhere that Chelsea were actually happy to sign him on a perm but couldn't agree terms with him after his loan period ended. Not sure how true that is, could they have been more than £5m apart (the penalty fee Chelsea had to pay ManUre for sending him back) ?
Sancho may attract more attention on the back of a good season and being younger/less broken than Coutinho.
It really doesn't matter if anyone thinks it's likely to happen or not, it's still an option that could happen.
It really doesn't matter if anyone thinks it's likely to happen or not, it's still an option that could happen.
Sure, if you like. Maybe something will happen that means Man Utd will decide to pay a player they've been trying to force out their club for the last three years another £13m that they don't have to.
It really doesn't matter if anyone thinks it's likely to happen or not, it's still an option that could happen.
Sure, if you like. Maybe something will happen that means Man Utd will decide to pay a player they've been trying to force out their club for the last three years another £13m that they don't have to.
Again, the clubs will have time to negotiate that scenario. Should they want to. His loan will have long finished before they have to extend the contract.
He may be shit and it's never an option and ManU can't bin him off fast enough and neither can we, he may be very good and it is then an option for them to explore. We may say "yes, 10m we'll do that to guarantee him", or "no thanks we'll take our chances". They'd be insane not to try, although it's ManU so anything is possible.
If we want him and he wants to come they may take up the option, charge us say 20m which we're prepared to pay and they get gree money.
And we say "actually we're not paying you anything, we'll move on to other targets thanks", and they've signed up for another year of paying Jadon Sancho.
Of course it's not impossible. But in much the same way as if we'd had the option to extend Countinho's contract by a year, we probably didn't need to spend too much time wondering on here whether we planned to extend it in the hope of getting a transfer fee for him.
If we want him and he wants to come they may take up the option, charge us say 20m which we're prepared to pay and they get gree money.
And we say "actually we're not paying you anything, we'll move on to other targets thanks", and they've signed up for another year of paying Jadon Sancho.
Of course it's not impossible. But in much the same way as if we'd had the option to extend Countinho's contract by a year, we probably didn't need to spend too much time wondering on here whether we planned to extend it in the hope of getting a transfer fee for him.
No, because the loaning club were only paying a fraction of his salary. Had the situation been more like Sancho, where we would likely get more money by retaining a player than letting him go, we would probably have done so.
If it becomes obvious they'll make more money by retaining him, why would they not do so? The only risk would be if they choose to extend his contract then he has a catastrophic loss of form or injury and they're lumbered with him. But I see no reason why they couldn't wait until twenty minutes before his contract expires before exercising their option, just in case.
So they will sign him if doing so means they will make more than £13 million in a transfer fee or if the combined amount they can offset in wages plus the value of a loan fee is greater than £13 million.
Fairly straightforward.
I can't see any circumstance where he tears up the league that somebody wouldn't think he was worth paying more than £13 million for, whether it was Villa or someone else.
I woke up this morning with what was either a mild hangover, a mild cold, or a mix of both. I wasn't in the best of moods - I'd underslept, forgotten to set the alarm and only got up in time to get to work by the grace and precision of my laser-guided body clock, which unerringly pings me awake at the exact point for having both insufficient rest and insufficient time to both shower and have breakfast at home. It goes without saying that it was raining, and as I trudged to work through the early morning tourists and the commuters with their blank haunted faces, I thought of the forgiving example of our lord Jesus Christ, of the Buddha's exhortations to cultivate inner peace, of Confucius' reminding us to avoid hasty judgements.
I then watched the highlights video of Jadon Sancho last season at Chelsea. Goals, skills, assists. Well there weren't a lot of the former, though what there was was good in that way that players against the Villa always seem to have (ping, the ball-missile, the roof of the net) and that Villa players never do (the bobble off the knee, the in-off-the-keeper). There were precious few of the latter too, though once again what was there indicated a guy who knows how to kick a football in the way you only tend to see in a Champions League game you've got on in the background while you pretend to read Beckett.
But of skills there was abundance. Jinking both inside and outside (that's both sides), that thing where his legs go all wavy like like looking at a pencil in water, the other thing where he does a very tiny chip over the sliding defender at full speed, all that shit. And in my new spirit of wisdom and contemplation, I thought, well, I was dead against Rashford when he was arrived and he turned out...pretty good I guess, and you know, who cares if most of that dazzling footwork resulted in him passing square or even losing the ball, and actually let's not think about the fact that footage of him losing the ball made it into his personal highlights of the season.
The point is, let's give him a chance. He looks happy enough in that photo, which as we know is the major indicator of a player's true level of motivation, so why not just sit back and hope it all works out. I'm off to download a mindfulness app.
It's Man United's option, not his. Isn't it?
It's Man United's option, not his. Isn't it?
They can extend his contract if they want to and agree to pay him another year of mental wages.
They can't do that and then sell him to another club without his consent to move to that club.
So he banks another year of wages, and moves where he wants for a crazy signing-on fee in summer 2027 instead of doing it in 2026. Particularly given that in this thought experiment, he's coming off a season in which he's lit up the Premier League, so probably isn't the "Chelsea paid to not have to sign him" misfit of recent times.
Heard this morning that Chelsea needed to exercise their buy option or pay the £5m by the end of June. That’s why they didn’t do it, it was all too hasty and they had other options. If true, that puts a slightly different slant on it than a simple, “he was so unimpressive they’d rather pay 5m than keep him”
Nah, Martyn is right, we want a culture where they all hate each other, the boss bans ketchup, plays god and treats them all like shit.
Banning ketchup is un-English. Death to the infidels.
Oh, no, hang on, I just remembered, ketchup is FUCKING REPULSIVE.
Glory be the ketchup banners.
I make a delicious pineapple and habanero ketchup so you can all fuck off.
Do people still drink tomato juice?
Do people still drink tomato juice?
Do people still drink tomato juice?
Sometimes at the airport. With tabasco. And vodka.
My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with itI had an uncle, he would turn up for Sunday Lunch, my dad would give him the biggest plate of food, meat vegetables covered in gravy, he would mash it up with his fork and then squirt tomato ketchup all over it , it was disgusting.
My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with it
I had an uncle, he would turn up for Sunday Lunch, my dad would give him the biggest plate of food, meat vegetables covered in gravy, he would mash it up with his fork and then squirt tomato ketchup all over it , it was disgusting.
My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with itI had an uncle, he would turn up for Sunday Lunch, my dad would give him the biggest plate of food, meat vegetables covered in gravy, he would mash it up with his fork and then squirt tomato ketchup all over it , it was disgusting.
My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with itI had an uncle, he would turn up for Sunday Lunch, my dad would give him the biggest plate of food, meat vegetables covered in gravy, he would mash it up with his fork and then squirt tomato ketchup all over it , it was disgusting.
When I was young I went through a phase of mashing up all my roast together when we had boiled potatos. I used to put mint sauce direct from the jar on rather then ketchup though.
When I was young I went through a phase of mashing up all my roast together when we had boiled potatos. I used to put mint sauce direct from the jar on rather then ketchup though.
Mint sauce is another overrated condiment, even with lamb.
Yeah Northfield.My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with itI had an uncle, he would turn up for Sunday Lunch, my dad would give him the biggest plate of food, meat vegetables covered in gravy, he would mash it up with his fork and then squirt tomato ketchup all over it , it was disgusting.
Was he from the North by any chance ( I’m northern myself so no disrespect meant)
But Northerners do have very err… unique tastes and eating habits
Mushy peas should have a bit of mint in them anyway, no?
Otherwise I do like a good mint sauce.
I like Marmite and tomato juice too.The spiced tomato juice (big tom?) - I think aimed at being a mixer with vodka - is pretty nice drunk neat IMO.
Not tried mixing them, but have been known to have a Marmite and sliced tomato sandwich.
My mother in law has ketchup on everything lasagna, Chinese, spag boll, Chilli, every meal she has ketchup up with itI had an uncle, he would turn up for Sunday Lunch, my dad would give him the biggest plate of food, meat vegetables covered in gravy, he would mash it up with his fork and then squirt tomato ketchup all over it , it was disgusting.
Ketchup is the most overrated thing since Steven Gerrard's tackling.
Ketchup is the most overrated thing since Steven Gerrard's tackling.
I’m married to a woman who is a senior executive at Heinz. Imagine my life. It’s ketchup on everything and only Heinz. Please appreciate my pain. It’s not just from watching Villa.
Ketchup is the most overrated thing since Steven Gerrard's tackling.
I’m married to a woman who is a senior executive at Heinz. Imagine my life.
I love mint, especially in a nice Mojito.
I’m married to a woman who is a senior executive at Heinz. Imagine my life.
I'll bet it's full of variety. 57x
Mushy peas are shit.
Mushy peas are shit.Having married a Yorkshire girl, I've spent my whole married life avoiding mushy peas like the plague. The work of the devil, they are.
Mushy peas are shit.Having married a Yorkshire girl, I've spent my whole married life avoiding mushy peas like the plague. The work of the devil, they are.
My initial reaction to this signing was pretty much in line with PWS's opinion on mushy peas.
But on reflection, he's only 25 and Emery is good at getting the best out of players. I've gone from being pretty pissed off that we are helping Man U with a problem player to thinking maybe we'll get a tune out of him. I'm looking forward to seeing how it pans out.
"But he collaborated with Nando's and Nike in 2020 to release a limited-edition Sancho Sauce, which is a medium PERi-PERi sauce with BBQ and pineapple flavors, not ketchup."
Elsewhere, I learned that the BBQ-and-pineapple flavour profile was chosen to reflect his "fiery and spicy playing style".
I make a delicious pineapple and habanero ketchup so you can all fuck off.
I've spent a bit of time* this evening trying to establish a connection between Jadon Sancho and tomato ketchup.
(Not that there NEEDS to be a connection - just to kill time while sitting on the train back to Oxford after watching the 40-year old Ravi Bopara demolish Surrey's bowlers this evening).
Here are the results of my research.
I started by Googling "Jadon Sancho tomato ketchup"**. The AI-generated summary of the results opened with this sentence:
"Jadon Sancho does not have a tomato ketchup."
Not a promising start. However, it continued:
"But he collaborated with Nando's and Nike in 2020 to release a limited-edition Sancho Sauce, which is a medium PERi-PERi sauce with BBQ and pineapple flavors, not ketchup."
Elsewhere, I learned that the BBQ-and-pineapple flavour profile was chosen to reflect his "fiery and spicy playing style".
I think we can conclude from this that Sancho is not a tomato ketchup fan. Its bland ubiquity, its sweetness, probably doesn't adequately embody his playing style.
But it's clearly true that Sancho is not opposed to all sauces, and there's probably a decent PhD to be written about precisely where - for Sancho - the boundary lies between an endorsable sauce and an unendorsable ketchup.
*Approx two minutes.
**Possible missing Stereolab album title.
My hope is that the fear of being a flop and laughing stock will motivate him to aspire to the world beater he was supposedly destined to become.
There are some quotes doing the rounds about Sancho from Boehly but they have been debunked apparently so don't bother posting any on here.
There are some quotes doing the rounds about Sancho from Boehly but they have been debunked apparently so don't bother posting any on here.I'd be amazed if Boehly knew who he was, was watching the Overlap with Ruud Gullit the other day and he said he'd gone over to introduce himself to him at some FIFA do and he was completely unaware of who he was.
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
I’ll put you down as undecided then.
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
I’ll put you down as undecided then.
There are some quotes doing the rounds about Sancho from Boehly but they have been debunked apparently so don't bother posting any on here.
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Agree, but it’s a low bar for 200k a week
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Agree, but it’s a low bar for 200k a week
Who cares? It’s not our money and quite frankly all professional sports people at the top of their game earn obscene money so quite why people worry about this stuff puzzles me.
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Agree, but it’s a low bar for 200k a week
Who cares? It’s not our money and quite frankly all professional sports people at the top of their game earn obscene money so quite why people worry about this stuff puzzles me.
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Mushy peas are shit.Having married a Yorkshire girl, I've spent my whole married life avoiding mushy peas like the plague. The work of the devil, they are.
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
I’ll put you down as undecided then.
I'm certainly hesitant to ask him what he thinks of ketchup or mushy peas.
Can someone share the debunking, please?
Can someone share the debunking, please?
Mushy peas are shit.Having married a Yorkshire girl, I've spent my whole married life avoiding mushy peas like the plague. The work of the devil, they are.
I'm with you ME!
Having lived in both Sheffield and Leeds I'd managed to avoid their mushy peas until one day I went to Bradford where I was introduced to a meat pie drowning in mushing peas with mint sauce. I was not amused. Only thing worse I can think of is chips with gravy. Savages!
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Not so much v Bailey 23/24 or Ramsey 22/23. Both performed at an elite level for us under Emery, granted for a short time. Ramsey was nowhere near as bad last season as some here seem to have convinced themselves.
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
He'll contribute more than Bailey has recently, I'd say he did more for Chelsea last season than we got out of Bailey or Ramsey.
Not so much v Bailey 23/24 or Ramsey 22/23. Both performed at an elite level for us under Emery, granted for a short time. Ramsey was nowhere near as bad last season as some here seem to have convinced themselves.
One league goal by Ramsey last season seems to be the stick to beat him with. Personally i liked his driving runs and defences being shit-scared of him. He was a bit of a div for getting that red card at Bournemouth mind.
I love curry sauce with my chips, me. Never used to bother with it, but tried it about 4-5 years ago and have been a convert ever since. Definitely on the range of “lovely chips” condiments along with salt & vinegar and chip spice & Dutch mayo.He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.
I’ll put you down as undecided then.
I'm certainly hesitant to ask him what he thinks of ketchup or mushy peas.
why is there no mention of curry sauce ?
Ramsey's sending-off at Bournemouth was down to:
a) confronting a home defender after he had been badly fouled,
b) taking a second yellow for a 'ghost' foul in the second half.
Match ref? Stuart Fucking Atwell.
Having lived in both Sheffield and Leeds I'd managed to avoid their mushy peas until one day I went to Bradford where I was introduced to a meat pie drowning in mushing peas with mint sauce. I was not amused. Only thing worse I can think of is chips with gravy. Savages!
So you're saying a Francesinha is nicer than both of them?
Having lived in both Sheffield and Leeds I'd managed to avoid their mushy peas until one day I went to Bradford where I was introduced to a meat pie drowning in mushing peas with mint sauce. I was not amused. Only thing worse I can think of is chips with gravy. Savages!
So you're saying a Francesinha is nicer than both of them?
All of those should only be eaten out of a dog bowl
Having lived in both Sheffield and Leeds I'd managed to avoid their mushy peas until one day I went to Bradford where I was introduced to a meat pie drowning in mushing peas with mint sauce. I was not amused. Only thing worse I can think of is chips with gravy. Savages!
So you're saying a Francesinha is nicer than both of them?
All of those should only be eaten out of a dog bowl
Is the correct answer though some dog lovers may rightly argue the Francesinha isn't fit for dogs.
Good description of me, Monty! Ah yes, thanks both. I needed to know because I really enjoyed it.
Good description of me, Monty! Ah yes, thanks both. I needed to know because I really enjoyed it.
Alex and Monty are correct, although you get them all over Brasil now. I've had a few in my time and I agree they're very nice, if a bit heavy. I prefer the basic version (rather than with catupiry) with a drop or two of malagueta pepper sauce. Coxinha is pronounce [co-SHEEN-ya] if you're ever ordering one.
Alex and Monty are correct, although you get them all over Brasil now. I've had a few in my time and I agree they're very nice, if a bit heavy. I prefer the basic version (rather than with catupiry) with a drop or two of malagueta pepper sauce. Coxinha is pronounced [co-SHEEN-ya] if you're ever ordering one.
Thanks for that because I had no idea how to pronounce it, I just pointed at them.
Alex and Monty are correct, although you get them all over Brasil now. I've had a few in my time and I agree they're very nice, if a bit heavy. I prefer the basic version (rather than with catupiry) with a drop or two of malagueta pepper sauce. Coxinha is pronounced [co-SHEEN-ya] if you're ever ordering one.
Thanks for that because I had no idea how to pronounce it, I just pointed at them.
Didn't want you going up and asking for [cocks-in-ya].
Alex and Monty are correct, although you get them all over Brasil now. I've had a few in my time and I agree they're very nice, if a bit heavy. I prefer the basic version (rather than with catupiry) with a drop or two of malagueta pepper sauce. Coxinha is pronounced [co-SHEEN-ya] if you're ever ordering one.
Thanks for that because I had no idea how to pronounce it, I just pointed at them.
Didn't want you going up and asking for [cocks-in-ya].
He’s been sick a while or did he pick up an injury somewhere?
i hope the sickness wasn’t cover for a bad attitude and its not improved since.
Yep I have had it, really rough for a week or so and even now another week later, still a but of a cough, aching legs etcHe’s been sick a while or did he pick up an injury somewhere?
i hope the sickness wasn’t cover for a bad attitude and its not improved since.
The new Covid Stratus variant is nasty enough. If the picked that up, I can understand why a footballer would be out for 10-14 days with it.
The new Covid Stratus variant is nasty enough. If the picked that up, I can understand why a footballer would be out for 10-14 days with it.
Yep I have had it, really rough for a week or so and even now another week later, still a but of a cough, aching legs etc
Yea my daughter has that cough now, has come back from uni for a few days R&R.The new Covid Stratus variant is nasty enough. If the picked that up, I can understand why a footballer would be out for 10-14 days with it.
Yep I have had it, really rough for a week or so and even now another week later, still a but of a cough, aching legs etc
Yeah, I've had Covid 3 or 4 times and am normally over it in a day and a half or so. This time, a hoarse voice for a day, followed by a sore throat, fatigue, and aches for a couple of days, but then a nasty cough for 3-4 days. I hardly ever get a bad cough, but this was right down near the diaphragm and left me feeling like I'd done loads of sit-ups.
Hopefully just a minor injury and not a strop.he's had a stropadicktome operation.
We don't know that. Let's not right him off already FFS
We don't know that. Let's not right him off already FFSI haven't. However he'll have a better chance of learning the system if he actually gets off the bench.
he was injured though wasn’t he ?
He has looked good when on the pitch. His time will come.
He has looked good when on the pitch. His time will come.
Looked ok in my opinion nothing more thus far. Hasnt played a lot so hard to judge
He has looked good when on the pitch. His time will come.
Looked ok in my opinion nothing more thus far. Hasnt played a lot so hard to judge
Yeh I’m in the nothing to see here camp at the moment, he will be important later in the season
You can see why he was highly rated, you can also see why he's never quite making it.
The last player to take run at full backs was Diane
Fecking autocorrect
The last player to take run at full backs was Diane
Never the same after that away day in France.
Whatever happened to those wide players who would pick the ball up in space, run at defenders, beat them and then play a pass or supply a dangerous cross ?
It seems that every wide player now has to collect the ball, tip toe up to a defender, allow the defender time for a couple of his mates to come and cover, and then (with their head down) twist and turn, to knock a ball backwards or to the closest Villa player.
The last player to take a run at full backs was Diaby, but we soon knocked that out of him.
Precisely !!!!!!!!!!!!!!Whatever happened to those wide players who would pick the ball up in space, run at defenders, beat them and then play a pass or supply a dangerous cross ?
It seems that every wide player now has to collect the ball, tip toe up to a defender, allow the defender time for a couple of his mates to come and cover, and then (with their head down) twist and turn, to knock a ball backwards or to the closest Villa player.
The last player to take a run at full backs was Diaby, but we soon knocked that out of him.
Wasn't that what Sancho did last night for the goal……..
Whatever happened to those wide players who would pick the ball up in space, run at defenders, beat them and then play a pass or supply a dangerous cross ?Bailey did it quite a lot until he didn’t
It seems that every wide player now has to collect the ball, tip toe up to a defender, allow the defender time for a couple of his mates to come and cover, and then (with their head down) twist and turn, to knock a ball backwards or to the closest Villa player.
The last player to take a run at full backs was Diaby, but we soon knocked that out of him.
My cat would be a big step up on Guessand.
My cat would be a big step up on Guessand.
My cat would be a big step up on Guessand.
And Mike Catt too.
My cat would be a big step up on Guessand.
Been disagreeing with my mate at work who says he’s shit. My thought was that I could see a player having difficulty getting used to the speed of the PL.
The other night before the Go Ahead game I thought ‘if he’s shit against these, he’s just shit’. I’m not hopeful.
Didn’t like his reaction to being subbed and neither did Barkley. I hope he isn’t a bit of a ******.He has a very frustrating game: saw a fair bit of the ball but seemed very reluctant to take his fullback on.
Fitness is his current issue. Regardless of what time he came on, he was never getting a full game.
Fitness is his current issue. Regardless of what time he came on, he was never getting a full game.
Awful today. Offered little threat going forward, but you also have to do your defensive duties.
When the whole team is busting every sinew, pulling out of 50/50’s is not a good look for anyone and he deserved to be hoiked.
Second half he was playing directly below where we sit, so I watched him quite closely.
He tracked back when expected, but barely put a challenge in, and pulled out of one 50/50.
Second half he was playing directly below where we sit, so I watched him quite closely.
He tracked back when expected, but barely put a challenge in, and pulled out of one 50/50.
Second half he was playing directly below where we sit, so I watched him quite closely.
He tracked back when expected, but barely put a challenge in, and pulled out of one 50/50.
Can't get away playing like that in a midfield four against anyone decent, not to mind Man City. Has all the ability in the world but none of the drive required to make the most of it.
He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.I thought he was ok, linked up well several times with Digne. Was better than what Rogers has been all season until the last 3 games. Is he the new scapegoat now that Cash is playing excellently? One very good moment when he got to the byline and almost scored when ball rebounded to him. Good stop by Donnarumma. Somebody on post match thread gave him 3 out of 10, which is a joke, at least a 6.
Quote from: Richard E link=topic=66121.msg4921135#msg4921135 date=1761yin502025He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.I thought he was ok, linked up well several times with Digne. Was better than what Rogers has been all season until the last 3 games. Is he the new scapegoat now that Cash is playing excellently? One very good moment when he got to the byline and almost scored when ball rebounded to him. Good stop by Donnarumma. Somebody on post match thread gave him 3 out of 10, which is a joke, at least a 6.
Quote from: Richard E link=topic=66121.msg4921135#msg4921135 date=1761yin502025He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.I thought he was ok, linked up well several times with Digne. Was better than what Rogers has been all season until the last 3 games. Is he the new scapegoat now that Cash is playing excellently? One very good moment when he got to the byline and almost scored when ball rebounded to him. Good stop by Donnarumma. Somebody on post match thread gave him 3 out of 10, which is a joke, at least a 6.
Quote from: Richard E link=topic=66121.msg4921135#msg4921135 date=1761yin502025He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.I thought he was ok, linked up well several times with Digne. Was better than what Rogers has been all season until the last 3 games. Is he the new scapegoat now that Cash is playing excellently? One very good moment when he got to the byline and almost scored when ball rebounded to him. Good stop by Donnarumma. Somebody on post match thread gave him 3 out of 10, which is a joke, at least a 6.
Without wishing to be too harsh, unless he was injured, the fact that he came on after 30 minutes and then was subbed after 74 reflects his performance up to be honest.
It was a pretty damning indictment of how he did to be honest.
Quote from: Richard E link=topic=66121.msg4921135#msg4921135 date=1761yin502025He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.I thought he was ok, linked up well several times with Digne. Was better than what Rogers has been all season until the last 3 games. Is he the new scapegoat now that Cash is playing excellently? One very good moment when he got to the byline and almost scored when ball rebounded to him. Good stop by Donnarumma. Somebody on post match thread gave him 3 out of 10, which is a joke, at least a 6.
Without wishing to be too harsh, unless he was injured, the fact that he came on after 30 minutes and then was subbed after 74 reflects his performance up to be honest.
It was a pretty damning indictment of how he did to be honest.
Not really, Emery has outright said he got the minutes that were planned.
I didn’t think bottled anything. But when you compare to Bailey and Diaby of 2023 or Rasfhord earlier this year, Im just not sure he’s that good to be honest.He absolutely did wimp out if a tackle.
Without wishing to be too harsh, unless he was injured, the fact that he came on after 30 minutes and then was subbed after 74 reflects his performance up to be honest.
It was a pretty damning indictment of how he did to be honest.
Quote from: Richard E link=topic=66121.msg4921135#msg4921135 date=1761yin502025He was poor. Seems bloody slow for a forward.I thought he was ok, linked up well several times with Digne. Was better than what Rogers has been all season until the last 3 games. Is he the new scapegoat now that Cash is playing excellently? One very good moment when he got to the byline and almost scored when ball rebounded to him. Good stop by Donnarumma. Somebody on post match thread gave him 3 out of 10, which is a joke, at least a 6.
Without wishing to be too harsh, unless he was injured, the fact that he came on after 30 minutes and then was subbed after 74 reflects his performance up to be honest.
It was a pretty damning indictment of how he did to be honest.
Not really, Emery has outright said he got the minutes that were planned.
FFS, How about we all stop scapegoating the lad and get behind him. He wasn’t stand out today but he wasn’t atrocious and contributed to our win. After a great team win why does someone have to be the punchbag.
FFS, How about we all stop scapegoating the lad and get behind him. He wasn’t stand out today but he wasn’t atrocious and contributed to our win. After a great team win why does someone have to be the punchbag.
Because he was absolutely woeful
FFS, How about we all stop scapegoating the lad and get behind him. He wasn’t stand out today but he wasn’t atrocious and contributed to our win. After a great team win why does someone have to be the punchbag.
Because he was absolutely woeful
Sorry John but that’s just hyperbolic bullshit.
Trust his judgement but refuse to accept what he said as truth.
Could have scored today, did well to get round his man and get a shot away before Donnarumma saved and then saved again.
If he had scored that goal then we would be saying he had a great impact and the future looks bright,
Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
it wont be at Anfield.Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
There's little or no chance Emery had in his head that he would only give Sancho 40 mins when he brought him on. He's being kind there. What I would say is in the previous occasions, which in the cases of Bailey and Buendia were a lot harsher, it happened those players were given chances very quickly again afterwards. Sancho could be back in very quickly again.
it wont be at Anfield.Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
There's little or no chance Emery had in his head that he would only give Sancho 40 mins when he brought him on. He's being kind there. What I would say is in the previous occasions, which in the cases of Bailey and Buendia were a lot harsher, it happened those players were given chances very quickly again afterwards. Sancho could be back in very quickly again.
Trust his judgement but refuse to accept what he said as truth.
He subbed a sub
Pretend all you like but I’m not as gullible as you
it wont be at Anfield.Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
There's little or no chance Emery had in his head that he would only give Sancho 40 mins when he brought him on. He's being kind there. What I would say is in the previous occasions, which in the cases of Bailey and Buendia were a lot harsher, it happened those players were given chances very quickly again afterwards. Sancho could be back in very quickly again.
it wont be at Anfield.Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
There's little or no chance Emery had in his head that he would only give Sancho 40 mins when he brought him on. He's being kind there. What I would say is in the previous occasions, which in the cases of Bailey and Buendia were a lot harsher, it happened those players were given chances very quickly again afterwards. Sancho could be back in very quickly again.
Why not? With Elliot missing there is more chance of Sancho then not.
FFS, How about we all stop scapegoating the lad and get behind him. He wasn’t stand out today but he wasn’t atrocious and contributed to our win. After a great team win why does someone have to be the punchbag.
Because he was absolutely woeful
Sorry John but that’s just hyperbolic bullshit.
Fair enough but Unai thought the same
I know he used the excuse of minutes to be kind but if Sancho was doing his job properly he would’ve stayed on
He had him away because he became a liability and we had a game to win, you call it hyperbole I call it good management
With respect I’d rather trust Unai’s judgment than yours
Because he was absolutely woeful
FFS, How about we all stop scapegoating the lad and get behind him. He wasn’t stand out today but he wasn’t atrocious and contributed to our win. After a great team win why does someone have to be the punchbag.
Because he was absolutely woeful
Sorry John but that’s just hyperbolic bullshit.
Fair enough but Unai thought the same
I know he used the excuse of minutes to be kind but if Sancho was doing his job properly he would’ve stayed on
He had him away because he became a liability and we had a game to win, you call it hyperbole I call it good management
With respect I’d rather trust Unai’s judgment than yours
John, I like your passion, but you don't half make some stuff up sometimes. You've no idea what Emery thinks, and as he's only said that Sancho played the number of minutes that he was intended to play, you've no evidence from what he said either.
You saidBecause he was absolutely woeful
Emery's comments on Sancho's substitution
"He's not happy": Emery recognized Sancho's frustration with being taken off. "Yes, sure he's not happy," the manager said after the match, "but I did it before with Morgan Rogers, with Emiliano Buendia, with Leon Bailey".
The manager explained that Sancho's limited playing time was pre-planned because he had played for 60 minutes in the midweek Europa League loss to Go Ahead Eagles. Emery noted that an early injury had altered his initial plan, but the substitution was still necessary to manage the player's return to fitness.
Focus on the team: Emery emphasized that Sancho is part of a larger plan to improve the entire team. After the match, he expressed pride in the collective effort against Manchester City, stating, "Every player, in the tactical structure, was fantastic, defensively and offensively".
Bailey vs Liverpool at Anfield two seasons ago. Think it was an injury induced change (was there a red card in there as well?). Also presaged Bailey's stellar form period.Trust his judgement but refuse to accept what he said as truth.
He subbed a sub
Pretend all you like but I’m not as gullible as you
He has subbed subs at least 4 times now I believe. One was Buendia, another might have been Bogarde, I think Diaby one time as well but I might be mistaken on that. They all are players who at the time were not being planned to come on so early and were being brought up to speed slowly. They were all emergency subs in the game and were then all subbed off as they hit minutes and tactically change the team as the match demanded.
Barring more injuries he won't start at Anfield imo, he will likely make a sub appearance though.Limited options there with Beundia out and Elliot not going to play. I think he’ll be more likely to start Guessand there to support Cash, then bring Sancho on in the second half, especially if its close.
I thought Sancho slowed us down a bit yesterday, everybody else had read the instructions and were moving the ball quickly, Sancho lacked the urgency. Also disappointed he didn't do better having wonderfully beaten his defender and took the ball along the line before trying twice to score himself. Maybe I'm being harsh and he didn't have any options, need to see it again but shooting straight at the keeper and expecting the ball to go through him can only be a Villa striker virus that's doing the rounds.
I thought Sancho slowed us down a bit yesterday, everybody else had read the instructions and were moving the ball quickly, Sancho lacked the urgency. Also disappointed he didn't do better having wonderfully beaten his defender and took the ball along the line before trying twice to score himself. Maybe I'm being harsh and he didn't have any options, need to see it again but shooting straight at the keeper and expecting the ball to go through him can only be a Villa striker virus that's doing the rounds.
I thought the first effort was him trying to square it across the box, rather than a shot? After Donnaruma got a hand on that, the second was definitely a shot (and not a great one, but he had zero time to think about it).
I still think there is a good player in there for us. He offers something different, and I think 1v1, when we're potentially playing teams sitting deep (or low block or whatever it's called this week), his dribbling will be a real asset.
Trust his judgement but refuse to accept what he said as truth.
He subbed a sub
Pretend all you like but I’m not as gullible as you
He has subbed subs at least 4 times now I believe.
it wont be at Anfield.Emery might be deflecting I suppose, but the truth seems more plausible. He didn’t have a pre-season and lost a week or two with us so I can understand why Emery is managing his minutes.
There's little or no chance Emery had in his head that he would only give Sancho 40 mins when he brought him on. He's being kind there. What I would say is in the previous occasions, which in the cases of Bailey and Buendia were a lot harsher, it happened those players were given chances very quickly again afterwards. Sancho could be back in very quickly again.
Why not? With Elliot missing there is more chance of Sancho then not.
Because he couldn’t trust him against Man city at home and after subbing him on he had to sub him off for his own good
So I very much doubt he’ll trust him away at Anfield
But it’s true you never know if you’re right and the plan all along was to give him minutes he’s got a good chance of playing next week
If I’m right and he got subbed off because he became a liability he won’t be anywhere near the Anfield pitch
Just have to wait and see I suppose
He's direct, and sometimes we need someone like that. But he's got to be better at protecting the ball to impress Unai, it was notable on Sunday that he seemed the one player that was a bit loose with the ball, even though I thought he played alright generally. He'll get better if he wants to, and I think he will.Interesting post, thanks. Just one point, I thought he isn't yet direct enough (as in, getting at his fullback).
I agree, he often unbalances the defender but instead of going past him he takes another touch and then another.He's direct, and sometimes we need someone like that. But he's got to be better at protecting the ball to impress Unai, it was notable on Sunday that he seemed the one player that was a bit loose with the ball, even though I thought he played alright generally. He'll get better if he wants to, and I think he will.Interesting post, thanks. Just one point, I thought he isn't yet direct enough (as in, getting at his fullback).
I do not think any manager incLding Emery puts a sub on with the intention of subbing them off. I do believe though that the best managers will change strategy during the game and react to different circumstances.
Now there are 5 subs allowed it is far more likely and potentially expedient.
From what I understand, that majority of our subs are premeditated. Someone I know went on a stadium tour the day after one of our games, and on the board in the dressing rom all of our subs were written down, with the time that they would come on and who they would replace. Obviously occasionally that will change due to the match situation, but I don't think Unai does much of that unless things are going really wrong.
I do not think any manager incLding Emery puts a sub on with the intention of subbing them off. I do believe though that the best managers will change strategy during the game and react to different circumstances.
Now there are 5 subs allowed it is far more likely and potentially expedient.
Emery said after the game that he intended on Sancho getting 60 minutes so he probably did plan on subbing the sub.
I do not think any manager incLding Emery puts a sub on with the intention of subbing them off. I do believe though that the best managers will change strategy during the game and react to different circumstances.
Now there are 5 subs allowed it is far more likely and potentially expedient.
Emery said after the game that he intended on Sancho getting 60 minutes so he probably did plan on subbing the sub.
I doubt he was planning on giving him 60 mins.
This player is class.
This player is class.
I won't believe you until you provide the stats.
Trouble is, in his position it’s all about assists and goals.
Trouble is, in his position it’s all about assists and goals.
So give him a run of starts and see how he gets on. Looks dangerous every time he plays.
I'm sure he will get a run before the end of the season anyway. We have lots of games and not a huge squad.
It's clear that he has the ability, his touch, weight of pass are those of an elite footballer. I think we'll see the goals & assists in the second half of the season, providing he stays fit & gets more minutes.
If we don't see it, then Utd can have him back.
It's clear that he has the ability, his touch, weight of pass are those of an elite footballer.
My only concern is his mentality and whether he wants it enough and will apply himself 100%.And whether he's willing to put more than his right toe into a tackle.
Yes, his contract expires in the summer but that lot have an option to extend for a year
Yes, his contract expires in the summer but that lot have an option to extend for a year
I've seen it reported that they won't take up that option.
Yes, his contract expires in the summer but that lot have an option to extend for a year
I've seen it reported that they won't take up that option.
It was discussed shortly after he joined us, but unless he has a stormer of a season for us (and currently it looks like it'll land as somewhere between on the spectrum between disappointing and fine) then they be daft to commit to another season of his wages when they've been desperate to get rid of them for the last two and a bit years.
I hope to see more of him in the coming months. Clearly very talented, and there have been glimpses of excellent stuff from him, but it would be great to see it consistently. If he's available for free in the summer, I'd imagine there will be a few clubs willing to pay him more than we would, so it'll probably come down to the player and how his season with us has worked out.
There is a fine line, performance-wise, in terms of him doing well enough for us to want him permanently, and doing so well that we have no chance of keeping him (a la Rashford).
I hope to see more of him in the coming months. Clearly very talented, and there have been glimpses of excellent stuff from him, but it would be great to see it consistently. If he's available for free in the summer, I'd imagine there will be a few clubs willing to pay him more than we would, so it'll probably come down to the player and how his season with us has worked out.
There is a fine line, performance-wise, in terms of him doing well enough for us to want him permanently, and doing so well that we have no chance of keeping him (a la Rashford).
He's clearly a player who reacts well to being loved but if he's low on confidence then he's a passenger. If he gets that love and confidence at some point in the next few months then I can see him having a great second half of the season and I think both parties would be happy to make it permanent next summer. Not least because a great second half of the season from Sancho probably means we've had a good season overall and are back in the Champions League.
What he really needs is for something brilliant to come off at some point this side of the new year - a game which he completely turns around after coming on, or a dribble-past-three-players-and-stick-it-in-the-top-corner moment. Something for the crowd to use a hook to really get behind him and I think he'll click.
But without that catalyst, I think he'll just muddle along being a 6/10 body on the pitch.
I hope to see more of him in the coming months. Clearly very talented, and there have been glimpses of excellent stuff from him, but it would be great to see it consistently. If he's available for free in the summer, I'd imagine there will be a few clubs willing to pay him more than we would, so it'll probably come down to the player and how his season with us has worked out.
There is a fine line, performance-wise, in terms of him doing well enough for us to want him permanently, and doing so well that we have no chance of keeping him (a la Rashford).
He's clearly a player who reacts well to being loved but if he's low on confidence then he's a passenger. If he gets that love and confidence at some point in the next few months then I can see him having a great second half of the season and I think both parties would be happy to make it permanent next summer. Not least because a great second half of the season from Sancho probably means we've had a good season overall and are back in the Champions League.
What he really needs is for something brilliant to come off at some point this side of the new year - a game which he completely turns around after coming on, or a dribble-past-three-players-and-stick-it-in-the-top-corner moment. Something for the crowd to use a hook to really get behind him and I think he'll click.
But without that catalyst, I think he'll just muddle along being a 6/10 body on the pitch.
He'll score a beauty against the Dogheads and push on from there. Come March we'll be talking of him in the same way Bailey was season before last.
Pulled out of a 50/50 today to such an extent that I thought the commentator was gong to address via words of “ Sancho clearly didn’t fancy that one” albeit he refrained.
I assume it’s a season long loan? Great £10m investment.
He's shit, send him back if we have a clause enabling that.I agree, here is a bloke drinking in the last chance saloon and somehow has not heard that last orders are being called on his career.
Reckon my money would be on the trajectory of Dortmund>Hoffenheim>Fortuna Düsseldorf>retirement
We’ve had loan players over the years where you really want them to sign. Carbone, Snodgrass, Rashford and Asensio spring to mind. I’m not so sure this chap is going to fall into that category.
Let’s send him home and find a very tricky and pacey winger instead.
Bizarre signing then, even worse now. I’d get him packed back off to ManUre as soon as we possibly can. We simply cannot afford to carry expensive passengers like him, I’m afraid.Totally see what you’re saying.
We’ve had loan players over the years where you really want them to sign. Carbone, Snodgrass, Rashford and Asensio spring to mind. I’m not so sure this chap is going to fall into that category.What a great shout.
Let’s send him home and find a very tricky and pacey winger instead.
He looks like he should be a real player. He has the qualities but something is missing. And that goes back to what i've said before, you can see why he was highly rated and clubs keep trying with him, but you can also see why he frustrates them all and he doesn't settle anywhere since leaving Germany.
Too much, too young. Gone the way of Dele Ali.
Is the bottled challenge on the BBC highlights? It looks like he's dummying - allowing the ball to cross his body - hoping the defender over commits.
A calculated risk, rather than bottling it. It didn't come off but not sure he should be completely written off if that is the evidence.
He will excel with a consistent run of gametime.He’s bloody rubbish.
Malen was a slow starter also.
Give The Sanch time.
Sancho is skillful, likes to combine with others but is ultimately very easy to defend against because his play is predictable, he’s largely one paced and has no body strength to hold off physical challenges.
Between the three of them it must be close to £40m in fees and £400k a week in wages… that’s an Asensio sized hole. Or better still a Semenyo.That's the frustration: at a time when we were so financially constrained, we panicked and brought in three expensive lemons. And, I seem to remember Emery's assertion, soon after his arrival, that we would not use the transfer market to 'body-shop'; we'd only bring people who could add value and make a complementary contribution to the overall effort.
I still think he shows promise. Keeps the ball, crosses it quite often, shoots quite often, makes things happen. Levels above Guessand I’m afraid, although admittedly not looking worth £160k a week at the moment. Half-decent sub.
I still think he shows promise. Keeps the ball, crosses it quite often, shoots quite often, makes things happen. Levels above Guessand I’m afraid, although admittedly not looking worth £160k a week at the moment. Half-decent sub.
This where I’m at. I thought he was alright last night, not brilliant but showed enough that he’s worth persevering with and has something to contribute.
Given what he costs us, I'd be sending him right back to Manc and looking at either promoting an Academy winger or seeking someone with greater potential.I still think he shows promise. Keeps the ball, crosses it quite often, shoots quite often, makes things happen. Levels above Guessand I’m afraid, although admittedly not looking worth £160k a week at the moment. Half-decent sub.This where I’m at. I thought he was alright last night, not brilliant but showed enough that he’s worth persevering with and has something to contribute.
I thought he was quite good last night
skill that once put him at the avant-garde of the exciting, young English players developing abroad.
Quoteskill that once put him at the avant-garde of the exciting, young English players developing abroad.
Avant-garde? Is he sure?
Yeah, Avant-Garde is Tim Sherwood.
He will excel with a consistent run of gametime.
Malen was a slow starter also.
Give The Sanch time.
He will excel with a consistent run of gametime.
Malen was a slow starter also.
Give The Sanch time.
Really?!
Your usual metric is that forwards should provide end results. He has so far given us ZERO goals and ZERO assists.
He's been here six years, five of which you ignore!
You did everything you could to say that his goal record was bad actually and that assists don't matter, BUT - let's not spread this over two threads, I'm glad you now agree that he was, in fact, good for us. This means that we actually agree.
Boh.
Anyway, yes, young Jadon. I hope he comes good, but I've got a bad feeling. Just a bit...insubstantial. The contrast with Rashford is too striking to me - there's a problematic lack of breakthrough, lack of vim in his dribbles. We shall see.
I think he needs to retire - he just doesn't seem like he wants itThere is absolutely no point he plays for us ever again.
Not the time to bring him on really.When is?
Not the time to bring him on really.When is?
This feels like his last chance at a big club in England so you'd think he'd be giving everything every second he's on the pitch but it's all a bit meh with him.If he was meh I'd have less of a problem with him.
Not the time to bring him on really.I said that at the time - strange sub by Emery
He really is a waste of space good if we can upgrade in January and send him back to United.just getting him off the wage bill is an upgrade. Surely we've got someone in the U21/18 setup that offers more
I didn't mind when we signed him as cover and played with Maatsen at BVD but let's see who else we can get.
Decent player, but massively overpaid.
Decent player, but massively overpaid.He was about 5 years ago. His lack of effort against Leeds and Young Boys was noticeable as well. Amazed the other players don’t call him out
Twice he was given the ball, and lost it feebly. Once he stepped aside from a ball coming down from the air, content to let his opponent just have the ball. Once he just booted the ball aimlessly into their half, conceding easy possession, when he could have kept possession and driven us upfield. That was it. The cameo.
I think he'll come good. He's an Emery player. Keeps the ball in tights spaces and moves it around nicely.He won’t. He will be gone in January and some other mugs will take him on.
Not today, obviously.
He makes Bailey look like David Goggins.
Please return to sender in January, faulty goods.yup
I don’t think we’ll be buying him
I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.I base what he is on seeing what he does, and today he gave the ball up every time anybody went near him.
Pitiful, absolutely pitiful.exactly.
The heart of a gnat.
I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.
I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.
I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.
Agreed.
Pitiful, absolutely pitiful.Football fans can put up with loss of form but if you don’t show effort and desire you are done. We need someone else in Jan.
The heart of a gnat.
Can we send him back?
💩💩💩Tell us what you really think, DC!
He’s been very disappointing, more disappointing than any of our recent loans.
Haha💩💩💩Tell us what you really think, DC!
;D
He’s been very disappointing, more disappointing than any of our recent loans.
He’s not been more disappointing than Elliott.
I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.
Agreed.
I tend to agree and have been willing him to come good, but that really was the most pitful of cameos yesterday.
I don’t buy that argument. I get he wasn’t impressive today, but I thought he tried to create Thursday. Unai’s not an idiot, if a player isn’t trying he’s not going to play him. I get that it’s not really working, but I think a lot of the interpretation of that he is, or isn’t, doing is largely informed by his history rather than what he’s actually done here.
I just think yesterday was a difficult game for the attacking players to get up to speed with. Watkins and Barkley both found it tough as well and so did their attacking subs. It was a odd game in that way, periods of frenetic and very aggressive play and then 5-10minute spells where both sides seemed to agree to a bit of a break to get their breath. It led to a game that was very low on quality and didn't give much space for creative play.
I just think yesterday was a difficult game for the attacking players to get up to speed with. Watkins and Barkley both found it tough as well and so did their attacking subs. It was a odd game in that way, periods of frenetic and very aggressive play and then 5-10minute spells where both sides seemed to agree to a bit of a break to get their breath. It led to a game that was very low on quality and didn't give much space for creative play.
It’s true what you say yet other players whilst maybe had not great games but still managed to provide a performance level Martinez, Konsa, Pau, Kamara, McGinn, Tielamans yet the highest payed player on the pitch couldn’t even for short time
he won’t be here for long, he’s not been worth the outlay, he’s been a disappointment unfortunately
I just think yesterday was a difficult game for the attacking players to get up to speed with. Watkins and Barkley both found it tough as well and so did their attacking subs. It was a odd game in that way, periods of frenetic and very aggressive play and then 5-10minute spells where both sides seemed to agree to a bit of a break to get their breath. It led to a game that was very low on quality and didn't give much space for creative play.
It’s true what you say yet other players whilst maybe had not great games but still managed to provide a performance level Martinez, Konsa, Pau, Kamara, McGinn, Tielamans yet the highest payed player on the pitch couldn’t even for short time
he won’t be here for long, he’s not been worth the outlay, he’s been a disappointment unfortunately
But they all started the game. For me the only sub who had a decent performance was Onana and that's mostly because he's absolutely perfect to bring on in a battle like that.
I'm not excusing him for how he played, justr pointing out that yesterday isn't a good game to judge him on in particular.
He's has a bit of criticism in recent weeks (justified in my opinion) but thought he did well when he came on today.
You can clearly see the talent every time he is on the ball.
The Sanch 8)
Seemed like an odd sub choice at that moment but more fool me, Emery got it right again.
Made a difference when he came on, as did all the subs in fairness, and made a decisive contribution to the beautiful goalmouth scramble that led to the winner.
He was shit, as he has been for the duration.
I didn’t think he was that bad tonight, especially first half.
I didn’t think he was that bad tonight, especially first half.
Yeah he’s mostly just steady without doing too much that’s remembered in a positive way. The mistakes are more memorable, such as the second half volleyed pass to one of their players to set them on the attack in the final third.
I didn’t think he was that bad tonight, especially first half.
Yeah he’s mostly just steady without doing too much that’s remembered in a positive way. The mistakes are more memorable, such as the second half volleyed pass to one of their players to set them on the attack in the final third.
Is that the one where he was blaming other players for not running into space to get the ball? Then walked back in slowly and only reacting when the ball came out to the edge of the area to a player he could have been marking if he had run back. Then when the final shot went wide, seemed to moan at the other players again. He was subbed straight after I think.
My main frustration is he is so one footed (right) and plays on the left so no matter how promising the position the defenders show him inside and the move peters out.
Andy Townsend on co-comm called him out at one point in the second half for "looking over his shoulder" when he let a ball right in front of Emery run out of play to avoid a contest with their defender. I'm struggling to think of a more cowardly player in a Villa shirt. Bailey certainly wasn't the bravest but Sancho is in a league of his own.
Andy Townsend on co-comm called him out at one point in the second half for "looking over his shoulder" when he let a ball right in front of Emery run out of play to avoid a contest with their defender. I'm struggling to think of a more cowardly player in a Villa shirt. Bailey certainly wasn't the bravest but Sancho is in a league of his own.Hitz also called him out after the game.
I didn’t think he was that bad tonight, especially first half.
Yeah he’s mostly just steady without doing too much that’s remembered in a positive way. The mistakes are more memorable, such as the second half volleyed pass to one of their players to set them on the attack in the final third.
Is that the one where he was blaming other players for not running into space to get the ball? Then walked back in slowly and only reacting when the ball came out to the edge of the area to a player he could have been marking if he had run back. Then when the final shot went wide, seemed to moan at the other players again. He was subbed straight after I think.
Andy Townsend on co-comm called him out at one point in the second half for "looking over his shoulder" when he let a ball right in front of Emery run out of play to avoid a contest with their defender. I'm struggling to think of a more cowardly player in a Villa shirt. Bailey certainly wasn't the bravest but Sancho is in a league of his own.
I agree with you about Sancho, but not Bailey. The season we finished fourth, Bailey was nothing short of a leader on the pitch, and off it too.
His best appearance yet.
I wonder how much was to show Chelsea what they missed. Shame he can't always be as motivated if it was.
I think bit by bit his confidence is being restored and we're going to end up with a really good player signing for free in the summer and making an absolute mockery of his time at Old Trafford.
Does Emery do ‘reckless’ ever?I think bit by bit his confidence is being restored and we're going to end up with a really good player signing for free in the summer and making an absolute mockery of his time at Old Trafford.
Steady on, it's only a few weeks ago he was jumping out of tackle in front of Emery in Europe. Brave/reckless decision to bring him on yesterday given some of his cameos lately. But he has loads of ability.
I don't think it was reckless: bear in mind, our bench yesterday did not offer much deep playing experience, which Sancho has, and the game needed cool heads.I think bit by bit his confidence is being restored and we're going to end up with a really good player signing for free in the summer and making an absolute mockery of his time at Old Trafford.Steady on, it's only a few weeks ago he was jumping out of tackle in front of Emery in Europe. Brave/reckless decision to bring him on yesterday given some of his cameos lately. But he has loads of ability.
I think bit by bit his confidence is being restored and we're going to end up with a really good player signing for free in the summer and making an absolute mockery of his time at Old Trafford.
Steady on, it's only a few weeks ago he was jumping out of tackle in front of Emery in Europe. Brave/reckless decision to bring him on yesterday given some of his cameos lately. But he has loads of ability.
I wonder how much was to show Chelsea what they missed. Shame he can't always be as motivated if it was.
Exactly, I'm still unconvinced about his regular attitude. Or his ability to affect games from the start. Upgrades on him and Guessand would still be preferable.
Does Emery do ‘reckless’ ever?I think bit by bit his confidence is being restored and we're going to end up with a really good player signing for free in the summer and making an absolute mockery of his time at Old Trafford.
Steady on, it's only a few weeks ago he was jumping out of tackle in front of Emery in Europe. Brave/reckless decision to bring him on yesterday given some of his cameos lately. But he has loads of ability.
He was good and well done to him, but he's not what he was just a few years ago and what we now need. A wide player with burning pace.
Agreed. I don't buy it. Looks like he wants it to me.He has definitely looked motivated to me - even when he's been poor. Those shirked tackles looked much worse than they really were, I think - mostly "luxury player type" risks taken at the wrong moment. You couldn't say he is running hot, but out of his last 5 appearances in the league, there have been some fairly tidy and increasingly consistent contributions.
He feels like a fancy Dan to me. And I fucking love fancy Dans so I really want him to succeed here.
He feels like a fancy Dan to me. And I fucking love fancy Dans so I really want him to succeed here.
Who do you reckon is the fanciest Dan we've ever had? Is it Bert?
I've just rewatched the 2nd half and he didn't really do much. There's no doubt a player in there but he'd need a big reduction in wages.
Drummond, I just did the same and last 15 minutes have totally changed my stance on Sancho. I thought he was superb and made a big difference to our total domination of Chelsea. if he carries on this way for the second half of the season whenever Unai decides to start/bring him on we will be a much better attacking force.
Sancho v Chelsea:Lots more of that please.
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Fab reckons Manure won’t be triggering his extension at the end of the season
Fab reckons Manure won’t be triggering his extension at the end of the season
Was there ever any suggestion that they would have?
Might be a surprise starter tonight.
Might be a surprise starter tonight.
Does Saka play mostly on the right these days, or is he still left-sided? I think starting him, over on the right, in front of a replacement right-back, would be a pretty big gamble if that's Saka's side?
Yes Saka plays on the right our left.Might be a surprise starter tonight.
Does Saka play mostly on the right these days, or is he still left-sided? I think starting him, over on the right, in front of a replacement right-back, would be a pretty big gamble if that's Saka's side?
Might be a surprise starter tonight.
Does Saka play mostly on the right these days, or is he still left-sided? I think starting him, over on the right, in front of a replacement right-back, would be a pretty big gamble if that's Saka's side?
It's a thank you but no from me too.Yep
Fleeting involvement in the game.
Weak as piss when it comes to helping out the defence, or battling for a 50/50.
Half asleep for the one decent opportunity that fell his way in the first half.
When you are battling it out at the upper reaches of the league, when it’s all hands to the pump, when you need to fight and battle for every ball, Jadon Sancho is not your man.
Too early to right off Sancho. He’s been better the last couple of games, I reckon a goal or key assist will give him a huge boost, plus a few more months under Unai and we may see another level to him.
Bloody well hope so.
I wish we could send him back, despite him recently looking like he's trying and a couple of bits of magic, it often feels like we're playing with 10 men.
Does he prefer playing on the left or right?
Send him AND Elliott bsck and see if we can find sufficient spare dosh down the back of the couch to tempt Rashford back if he's not wanted at Barca (according to rumours,).
He needs to go to a league where tackling is banned.Maybe he should take up synchronised swimming.
Sancho is a footballer stealing a living. I never rated him before and I don't rate him now. The guy looked promising 5 years ago but since his career ending manure move his stats have fallen off a cliff.That’s it in a nutshell.
Manure know he's an absolute fraud so they perpetually send him out on loan to save 800k per month. No club is foolish enough to sign him in January when he's free 5 months later and manure won't activate their option because he isn't worth 250k-a-week.
I suspect a fourth spell at Dortmund on a free is destined.
Sancho is a footballer stealing a living. I never rated him before and I don't rate him now. The guy looked promising 5 years ago but since his career ending manure move his stats have fallen off a cliff.... is the correct opinion.
Manure know he's an absolute fraud so they perpetually send him out on loan to save 800k per month. No club is foolish enough to sign him in January when he's free 5 months later and manure won't activate their option because he isn't worth 250k-a-week.
I suspect a fourth spell at Dortmund on a free is destined.
He had a one decent half against Chelsea.
Apart from that he has been shite.
It makes sense if they can persuade someone to give them money.
PreciselyIt makes sense if they can persuade someone to give them money.
I suppose, but I don’t think anyone is beating a path to their door.
He looks like he should be a real player. He has the qualities but something is missing. And that goes back to what i've said before, you can see why he was highly rated and clubs keep trying with him, but you can also see why he frustrates them all and he doesn't settle anywhere since leaving Germany.
I don’t think Sancho is shit. However, after his first few games my son who is a fairly astute judge of a player, said he thought he was just an average premier league player. I think this probably pretty accurate. He’s ok and will do a job to an extent, but he’s nowhere near the standard of Rashford and won’t in my opinion push us on to the next level.Based on what we've seen - most notably at the Arse -he's not a player who can be relied upon to do the right things right.
The new scapegoat - now that Cash can no longer be used (and to a lesser degree, Watkins, Buendia, etc)I think you are confused about the meaning of the word scapegoat.
The new scapegoat - now that Cash can no longer be used (and to a lesser degree, Watkins, Buendia, etc)I think you are confused about the meaning of the word scapegoat.
If. he was a youth player coming through you would think he has done ok . But for £ he is on and would cost i would underwhelmed if we kept him on
Yep, fucking awful summer transfer window. We'd be out of sight at the top if Monchi hadn't fucked it all up.
That’s all he is though: tidy. He’s on wages that require end product. He never beats his man, hasn’t scored and doesn’t ever look like doing so. I don’t think he’s shit. He just isn’t very good either.You've nailed it ...
I,don’t know what his wage demands are but my suspicion is that it is well above his market value. That’s his problem.
He contributes fuck all.
He will do the square root of f*** all for us and will be moved on at the end of the season. We will wonder why we bothered. A Leopard doesn’t change its spots. A gifted footballer he may be but his attitude towards the game will soon surface.I said this way back in September. Nothing has changed my mind and nothing has surprised me about him, apart from him being as cowardly as he is ineffective.
I think some of this is really harsh, he's not done enough for us yet and I doubt we'll have any interest in offering him a long term deal but his record in Germany is excellent and he isn't the first player who has struggled with the step up from that level to the intensity of the premier league.He’s played almost 100 premier league games, hardly a newbie.
I doubt anyone has forgotten, just that it's irrelevant to what he's doing 5 years later with us.
I’m happy to bring him on if we have a 2 goal lead because he keeps the opposition on the back foot.What about when we're drawing against top oppo and need some impetus (Arsenal, home); when we're a goal down away to top oppo and need to turn things around (Chelsea); or when we're a goal up to top oppo and need to hold on (City)?
Sancho being held to the same standard as an academy player here, like Bogarde. Not a 25 cap international getting 200k per week. Bogarde offers a hell of a lot more off the bench too. Sancho and Guessand are shite.
I still don’t know what he has done or achieved in the game that warrants his reputation, albeit a diminished one now, and his salary.
I know he was decent in Germany when he was a kid, a had one or two standout years. But the German league is nowhere near the standard of the PL.
I’ve never seen him have a truly great game or even put in a MOTM performance for any team he has represented, including England.
I think he is the very definition of a player (reputation wise) being all fart and no shit.
Well put.I still don’t know what he has done or achieved in the game that warrants his reputation, albeit a diminished one now, and his salary.
I know he was decent in Germany when he was a kid, a had one or two standout years. But the German league is nowhere near the standard of the PL.
I’ve never seen him have a truly great game or even put in a MOTM performance for any team he has represented, including England.
I think he is the very definition of a player (reputation wise) being all fart and no shit.
Typically the media found out that he was decent in Germany and that he was English and started pushing for his inclusion into the England squad and Mouthgate duly obliged. Once he had had a few half decent appearances he then was touted as being the next big thing. In typical fashion once a player gets that hyped up he is reported as being on the Redfilth watch list and we all know how they like to spunk ridiculous money in transfers and wages to try to continue to look relevant - usually in hilarious cases
Mount @ £50m
Anthony @ £85m
Van de Beek @ £35m
McGuire @ £80m
Hoijlund @ £80m
Sesko @ £80m
Fucking laughable they get their pants pulled down so often
I take it we can’t send him back this month?Oh fuck
Absolutely shit tonight.Why can’t Unai see this.
Useless.
So poor.
He didn't play well but I never like the hyperbolic reactions to players. He worked hard, constantly tracking Mitchell, and isn't a coward or one of the worst players to play for us or whatever. He just isn't able to influence games enough. Palace are very physical, I am not sure it was the right game for him even if he was in form.
He didn't play well but I never like the hyperbolic reactions to players. He worked hard, constantly tracking Mitchell, and isn't a coward or one of the worst players to play for us or whatever. He just isn't able to influence games enough. Palace are very physical, I am not sure it was the right game for him even if he was in form.
He was poor tonight - nothing seemed to come off for him.
That said, and for balance, SJM was equally ineffectual.
Not really. Just observing their relative performances in the same game alongside one another.He was poor tonight - nothing seemed to come off for him.
That said, and for balance, SJM was equally ineffectual.
Throwing John McGinn in for balance is a bit odd.
Not really. Just observing their relative performances in the same game alongside one another.He was poor tonight - nothing seemed to come off for him.
That said, and for balance, SJM was equally ineffectual.
Throwing John McGinn in for balance is a bit odd.
Amazing how he’s out of form, lacking confidence blah blah blah.
It’s seems to have dogged him his whole career since he came back from Germany.
Or, just maybe he’s just a overhyped, overpaid fucking waster, stealing a living who has been bombed out by every team he has played for.
He is out of form and low on confidence. The manager is playing him and his teammates seem to like him. Given this team is successful, in part, because the players give every last drop, I doubt very much he is showing a poor attitude or lack of effort.
A lack of confidence and a lack of effort can look very similar, I think the former is more his issue. Potentially alongside him just not quite having the level of talent to make up for his lack of physicality if a very tough league.
As I said, not denying that he was ineffectual tonight and it's odd that he has been chucked in from the start in two very tough away games rather than at home. But I just think the 'doesn't care' and 'cowardly' accusations are wide of the mark.
He has lots more credit in the bank, of course he does.Not really. Just observing their relative performances in the same game alongside one another.He was poor tonight - nothing seemed to come off for him.
That said, and for balance, SJM was equally ineffectual.
Throwing John McGinn in for balance is a bit odd.
I think Mcginn (who scored two in.the last game) deserves the odd off game.
They were equally poor tonight, I felt.
You felt otherwise, I take it?
I just don't see the point in mentioning McGinn at all. It's a bit weird.Eye Digress said McGinn was poor last night in comparison to Sancho being poor last night. McGinn was really poor last night, its a completely fair comment. Its also really clear his comments were not trying to compare the two players overall ability, or commitment to the Villa cause, or career trajectory, it was about last night only, and any other take on it is taking those comments out of context.
I thought he played well in the first half against Arsenal covering Bogarde and in the second half of a home game when he and Maatsen were on the pitch. Other than that, he's not done much but I've never been a big fan of his anyway.Yea good first half against Arsenal like you say, good last 30 mins against Chelsea, a decent cameo against Arsenal at home. I think the problem for him is he’s not particularly quick and also isn’t very physically strong, so hasn’t got that to compensate for his lack of speed. A few tidy touches aren’t really going to make up for those missing attributes. In that regards I think the cowardly comments etc are wide of the mark, but I also think he’s probably no better than Philogene, who is a really good top end championship player, but no where near a top end premier league winger.
5 goals and 10 assists for Chelsea last season. We could do with some of that.And they couldn’t wait to get rid of him.
I just don't see the point in mentioning McGinn at all. It's a bit weird.Eye Digress said McGinn was poor last night in comparison to Sancho being poor last night. McGinn was really poor last night, its a completely fair comment. Its also really clear his comments were not trying to compare the two players overall ability, or commitment to the Villa cause, or career trajectory, it was about last night only, and any other take on it is taking those comments out of context.
My take is, cowardly, stealing a leaving etc etc are probably over reaching. I think the lad is trying but I just don’t think he’s that good.
5 goals and 10 assists for Chelsea last season. We could do with some of that.And they couldn’t wait to get rid of him.
5 goals and 10 assists for Chelsea last season. We could do with some of that.Yes we could. I wonder why Chelsea didn’t buy him at the discounted rate ?
5 goals and 10 assists for Chelsea last season. We could do with some of that.And they couldn’t wait to get rid of him.
There was a £25m obligation to buy but he wouldn’t take a pay cut.
5 goals and 10 assists for Chelsea last season. We could do with some of that.Yes we could. I wonder why Chelsea didn’t buy him at the discounted rate ?
Surely that’s the going rate for someone who contributes so much ?5 goals and 10 assists for Chelsea last season. We could do with some of that.Yes we could. I wonder why Chelsea didn’t buy him at the discounted rate ?
As Percy says, they didn't want to pay him £250,000 per week on a permanent basis.
Surely that’s the going rate for someone who contributes so much ?5 goals and 10 assists for Chelsea last season. We could do with some of that.Yes we could. I wonder why Chelsea didn’t buy him at the discounted rate ?
As Percy says, they didn't want to pay him £250,000 per week on a permanent basis.
If the basket case that is Chelsea don’t think he’s worth it, then things must be bad.
He was reluctant to take a pay cut.
Compare and contrast with a couple of our players who did precisely that in order to get extended deals with the club.
Sancho is a mercenary, living off past glories (if they can be called that) of a standout season in German football.
Surely that’s the going rate for someone who contributes so much ?5 goals and 10 assists for Chelsea last season. We could do with some of that.Yes we could. I wonder why Chelsea didn’t buy him at the discounted rate ?
As Percy says, they didn't want to pay him £250,000 per week on a permanent basis.
If the basket case that is Chelsea don’t think he’s worth it, then things must be bad.
He was reluctant to take a pay cut.
Compare and contrast with a couple of our players who did precisely that in order to get extended deals with the club.
Isn't Sterling on a load?
Isn't Sterling on a load?
I read that Sterling isn't interested in a loan and only wants a permanent move. Well, fuck that.
Sterling has the smallest football brain ever, he would be infuriating.
No thanks.
Would be a huge upgrade if we could somehow persuade Man U to take him back and end up with Sterling.
This is the problem.Some players are just better than other players (almost a Smiths song). Rashford is a far more accomplished player. We can rant and rave about Sancho and how much he earns all we want, but if he’s not good enough for a top three side, there is not a lot that can be done, unless Unais magic dust starts working, but that would have to pretty soon.
People seem to have ridiculously low expectations of what is ‘good’ or ‘decent’.
A decent 30 mins here, a decent 10 minutes there ?
He a professional footballer for fucks sake who has been in the game for years, not some youngster starting out.
He is supposedly a wide/flair player.
So I don’t expect to see him flying into crunching tackles, but taking defenders on, running at defences, having guile and skill to create chances for his team mates or himself, that’s what we would expect to to see.
He does none of it.
He ponces through his time on the pitch, taking no responsibility and producing very little quality.
When Rashford came in last January, he was a broken man. It was widely accepted he was finished in the game.
Within a few short weeks, massively down to Unai, but also because of his own character, he was contributing hugely to the team and was a driving force for the second half of the season.
Compare to Sancho who has had 4 or 5 months at the club and has contributed fuck all.
He is a wastrel who has managed to steal a living. I’ll give him credit for that.
Given yet another opportunity and floats around like an empty crisp packet.
I have seen enough.
Given yet another opportunity and floats around like an empty crisp packet.
I have seen enough.
I think that is a pefect comparison!
I like how he clapped the Villa fans on his way past them after being subbed. Kept applauding for a good sixty secs.
I only saw the first half but he wasn't that bad, not great but not terrible either. The story of his time here.
I saw a lot of him when he played in Germany and he was really good, like Jack was for us, a great dribbler who committed defenders but also had a wonderful weight of pass on killer balls in the final third. The pace seems to have completely gone, if thats mental or physical, who knows?
I don't think UE will be too displeased with him, he seems to retain the ball pretty well and understands, follows tactical instructions. But he's not the player he was, and the player we need. I cant see us shelling out on the kind of contract he's going to expect based on what we've seen, we dont need to spend that kind of money for the attributes he now seems to have.
And, his 'cameo' when he came on against Wolves will live in my memory as one of the worst performances I have ever seen. So at least that will be memorable.
I like how he clapped the Villa fans on his way past them after being subbed. Kept applauding for a good sixty secs.
Given yet another opportunity and floats around like an empty crisp packet.
I have seen enough.
I think that is a pefect comparison!
certainly not sensations
Given yet another opportunity and floats around like an empty crisp packet.
I have seen enough.
I think that is a pefect comparison!
certainly not sensations
He’s certainly not the real McCoy(s).
Given yet another opportunity and floats around like an empty crisp packet.
I have seen enough.
I think that is a pefect comparison!
certainly not sensations
He’s certainly not the real McCoy(s).
To be fair, he did look pretty frazzled when he came off.
Given yet another opportunity and floats around like an empty crisp packet.
I have seen enough.
I think that is a pefect comparison!
certainly not sensations
He’s certainly not the real McCoy(s).
To be fair, he did look pretty frazzled when he came off.
Doubt the had the energy to head to the discos in London afterwards,
Given yet another opportunity and floats around like an empty crisp packet.
I have seen enough.
I think that is a pefect comparison!
certainly not sensations
He’s certainly not the real McCoy(s).
To be fair, he did look pretty frazzled when he came off.
Doubt the had the energy to head to the discos in London afterwards,
I like how he clapped the Villa fans on his way past them after being subbed. Kept applauding for a good sixty secs.Yes, so did I – partly why the vitriol (as opposed to disappointment) from some quarters seems a bit much to me. But I guess there is always a scapegoat. Shame.
I want him to succeed but he was fucking awful last night.Think that about sums it up for me.
I thought he did well
Once isn't a dozen.
Maybe reflecting more Conference League minutes?
Yeah, what we need is fewer players to choose from.Quantity over quality is the way to go eh ?
He was ill, apparently.
Yeah, what we need is fewer players to choose from.
He was ill, apparently.
Strangely he might have actually been useful yesterday as he holds width and that was the one thing Everton struggled with.
Waste of time and money. Monchi must have shit for brains.
Is he injured or being moved on?
🤞🏻Dortmund to the rescue?
Any journo of worth saying the Dortmund interest is genuine? Would do us no end of favors to move him on now.
Last summers transfer window was an unmitigated disaster (other than Lindeloff) and due to the injuries we've got, its going to majorly kick us in the arse.
Yeah, what we need is fewer players to choose from.Quantity over quality is the way to go eh ?
He was ill, apparently.
More of that and adding him permanently on a free in the summer with sensible wages would be a smart move.Sorry, still not convinced that he would be the best use of limited funds.
More of that and adding him permanently on a free in the summer with sensible wages would be a smart move.Sorry, still not convinced that he would be the best use of limited funds.
I would imagine his wages are 5 + times Bogarde which puts into perspective the value for money argument.More of that and adding him permanently on a free in the summer with sensible wages would be a smart move.Sorry, still not convinced that he would be the best use of limited funds.
Rather depends on how much "more of that" happens in the next four months and how sensible those "sensible wages" are really.
I would imagine his wages are 5 + times Bogarde which puts into perspective the value for money argument.More of that and adding him permanently on a free in the summer with sensible wages would be a smart move.Sorry, still not convinced that he would be the best use of limited funds.
Rather depends on how much "more of that" happens in the next four months and how sensible those "sensible wages" are really.
I would imagine his wages are 5 + times Bogarde which puts into perspective the value for money argument.More of that and adding him permanently on a free in the summer with sensible wages would be a smart move.Sorry, still not convinced that he would be the best use of limited funds.
Rather depends on how much "more of that" happens in the next four months and how sensible those "sensible wages" are really.
I reckon you might even be underestimating there.
But his current wages are irrelevant - he's not going to be getting close to his current wages either with us or somewhere else at his next club.
Very attractive from a PSR point of view getting someone in on a free like what we did with Kamara and Tielemans. So I'd say Sancho will knock a very decent contract out of his next gig in the summer.
I would imagine his wages are 5 + times Bogarde which puts into perspective the value for money argument.More of that and adding him permanently on a free in the summer with sensible wages would be a smart move.Sorry, still not convinced that he would be the best use of limited funds.
Rather depends on how much "more of that" happens in the next four months and how sensible those "sensible wages" are really.
I reckon you might even be underestimating there.
But his current wages are irrelevant - he's not going to be getting close to his current wages either with us or somewhere else at his next club.
Very attractive from a PSR point of view getting someone in on a free like what we did with Kamara and Tielemans. So I'd say Sancho will knock a very decent contract out of his next gig in the summer.
Maybe Emery can get some bit of a tune out of him for the next few months. We can't keep relying on Rogers and Buendia to a lesser degree.
More of that and adding him permanently on a free in the summer with sensible wages would be a smart move.Sorry, still not convinced that he would be the best use of limited funds.
Rather depends on how much "more of that" happens in the next four months and how sensible those "sensible wages" are really.
Someone, somewhere, will be willing to give Sancho big money. Not '£300k a week like he's on now' big, but I'd be amazed if he signs for anyone on a free for less than £150k. More likely £200k including a signing bonus. His reputation and age alone will means someone will take a punt, probably in Germany where he excelled previously.
I'll be even more surprised if we're the ones who sign him. Unless he has some sort of renaissance in the second half of the season, having been successfully (and finally) converted to Emery-ball. Who knows...
Someone, somewhere, will be willing to give Sancho big money. Not '£300k a week like he's on now' big, but I'd be amazed if he signs for anyone on a free for less than £150k. More likely £200k including a signing bonus. His reputation and age alone will means someone will take a punt, probably in Germany where he excelled previously.
I'll be even more surprised if we're the ones who sign him. Unless he has some sort of renaissance in the second half of the season, having been successfully (and finally) converted to Emery-ball. Who knows...
I dunno about that. In Germany, for example, there's only really Dortmund and Bayern who pay that sort of money and I don't think either of them would be that interested, similar in most other countries in Europe where there's only really the champions league regulars who are offering much over 100k a week to anyone. A big part of the reason why English teams find it hard to move players on at times is because the wages here are so much higher for mid-table players. £120-150k feels like the sort of figure where he'll have offers.
I don't want to be too mean but this feels to me a little bit late for Jadon Sancho in the sense that this hasn't really worked. One goal in 19 games in all competitions for him.
I know it was a loan so you don't really take much risk and Aston Villa in their financial position could not do much more than that.
He's not a bad player because technically he's so above average, even for a Premier League player, but there's still not enough end product. And I don't know if the attitude is right for what you need to do today at a place like St James' Park. It's not about step overs and dribbling skills.
It's about fighting spirit here.
Julien Laurens on Sancho.Well, I'm no fan of Sancho but his first half performance was decent enough.
I don't want to be too mean but this feels to me a little bit late for Jadon Sancho in the sense that this hasn't really worked. One goal in 19 games in all competitions for him.
I know it was a loan so you don't really take much risk and Aston Villa in their financial position could not do much more than that.
He's not a bad player because technically he's so above average, even for a Premier League player, but there's still not enough end product. And I don't know if the attitude is right for what you need to do today at a place like St James' Park. It's not about step overs and dribbling skills.
It's about fighting spirit here.
Like Morpheus said about Neo, he’s starting to believe
Like Morpheus said about Neo, he’s starting to believe
I still haven't seen The Matrix.
Like Morpheus said about Neo, he’s starting to believe
I still haven't seen The Matrix.
Like Morpheus said about Neo, he’s starting to believe
I still haven't seen The Matrix.
The first one is very good and unique.
The Matrix is decent. I've never bothered with the sequels.
Can’t see Lindelof on £120k a week?
Just in response to those who question his motivation, I thought he really showed he was up for it tonight in the second half. And it looks like he gets on very well with the other lads. In fact, I’d go as far as to say he’s enjoying himself.
Just in response to those who question his motivation, I thought he really showed he was up for it tonight in the second half. And it looks like he gets on very well with the other lads. In fact, I’d go as far as to say he’s enjoying himself.
Just in response to those who question his motivation, I thought he really showed he was up for it tonight in the second half. And it looks like he gets on very well with the other lads. In fact, I’d go as far as to say he’s enjoying himself.
What does he actually do? Nice touches, great first touch but no drive or end product.
He has been decent lately, IMO.Depends on what your expectations and standards are.
He has been decent lately, IMO.Depends on what your expectations and standards are.
He has been decent lately, IMO.
He has been decent lately, IMO.
Agreed.
He has been decent lately, IMO.
Agreed.
Also agreed.
We have him until the end of the season.
We need him to keep improving (if you are in that camp) because we will probably need him at his best.
He's stopped being shit.I think this is probably it.
Had a shot on target v Brentford.
Had a shot on target v Brentford.
Whoopty-fuck. He should have had chalk on his boots staying on the wing and stretching their defence instead of running into traffic, not that he was the only one.
Had a shot on target v Brentford.
Whoopty-fuck. He should have had chalk on his boots staying on the wing and stretching their defence instead of running into traffic, not that he was the only one.
There would be precisely zero point in running down the wing and banging loads of crosses in against Brentford's genetic mutant goliath centre-halves.
Ok yesterday. Better than Bailey but fuck me that’s a low barI think I'd prefer to see Kadan Young coming on for anyone rather than Bailey trotting out.
Let's be honest here, he's a bit crap for what were paying.
Let's be honest here, he's a bit crap for what were paying.
I agree if he was on 50k a week nit bad for the wages he is christ almighty
With the lack of options, unless we change the way we set up.Let's be honest here, he's a bit crap for what were paying.
I agree if he was on 50k a week nit bad for the wages he is christ almighty
While that may be true, surely it isn't a consideration for the here and now, but for when it comes to making a decision on him at the end of the season?
Right now, it seems to me that the only question in town is whether he deserves his place on footballing merit?
I think he is getting better the more he plays, if he continues to improve I would be looking at signing him on a free, and if he has a poor 12 months after then sell him for a profit.
I think he is getting better the more he plays, if he continues to improve I would be looking at signing him on a free, and if he has a poor 12 months after then sell him for a profit.
Agreed. He’s 25, a very good age to continue to develop and improve. He seems to have a good attitude too. He might not be a first choice option if we can find a really good option on the right but good to have in rotation.
I think he is getting better the more he plays, if he continues to improve I would be looking at signing him on a free, and if he has a poor 12 months after then sell him for a profit.
Agreed. He’s 25, a very good age to continue to develop and improve. He seems to have a good attitude too. He might not be a first choice option if we can find a really good option on the right but good to have in rotation.
So we’ll take him on a free and the biggest wage reduction in prem history? Can’t see both of those happening.
As has been pointed out before, you'd give him a signing bonus in lieu of salary, then stick him into the Villa pay structure.There is a pretty big gap between his level and the level he needs to achieve to make a compelling argument to sign him.
If you wanted him, that is - which johne doesn't - and fair enough, it's all about opinions, innit?
Personally, strikes me that he's growing into his role fairly nicely, though not as fast as we might like and as yet, without sufficient end product.
Yeah, doesn't sound unreasonable.He is improving, agreed.
But the current direction of travel is the right one.
He's definitely a good player. He was one of the stand out players in Bundesliga for about three seasons. It was a long time ago, but he's still in there and we're all starting to see the little signs it may be coming out. Absolutely persevere with him on the right until the end of the season and see where it leads.
He looks pretty happy here and in my eyes he wants it. Think he would take the pay drop in all honesty (he'll have to take some form as no one is matching his Man United contract). If he doesn't do enough then so be it.
He's definitely a good player. He was one of the stand out players in Bundesliga for about three seasons. It was a long time ago, but he's still in there and we're all starting to see the little signs it may be coming out. Absolutely persevere with him on the right until the end of the season and see where it leads.
He looks pretty happy here and in my eyes he wants it. Think he would take the pay drop in all honesty (he'll have to take some form as no one is matching his Man United contract). If he doesn't do enough then so be it.
Im ok with it he is entitled to be paid what he thinks he is worth but we are also entitled to say we aint paying you ehat uou t
He wouldn't take a pay drop to join chelsea. Absolutely no chance he is dropping his wages.hink you are worth
He's definitely a good player. He was one of the stand out players in Bundesliga for about three seasons. It was a long time ago, but he's still in there and we're all starting to see the little signs it may be coming out. Absolutely persevere with him on the right until the end of the season and see where it leads.
He looks pretty happy here and in my eyes he wants it. Think he would take the pay drop in all honesty (he'll have to take some form as no one is matching his Man United contract). If he doesn't do enough then so be it.
He wouldn't take a pay drop to join chelsea. Absolutely no chance he is dropping his wages.
Im ok with it he is entitled to be paid what he thinks he is worth but we are also entitled to say we aint paying you ehat uou think you are worth
He's definitely a good player. He was one of the stand out players in Bundesliga for about three seasons. It was a long time ago, but he's still in there and we're all starting to see the little signs it may be coming out. Absolutely persevere with him on the right until the end of the season and see where it leads.
He looks pretty happy here and in my eyes he wants it. Think he would take the pay drop in all honesty (he'll have to take some form as no one is matching his Man United contract). If he doesn't do enough then so be it.
He wouldn't take a pay drop to join chelsea. Absolutely no chance he is dropping his wages.
I don’t think he’s been amazing, but he’s easily been 6 or 7/10 recently.You may be right but he's still shite!
I think there’s generally a bias against Sancho - which in fairness he’s contributed to over the last few years - whereby any weakness in his game is disproportionately focussed on versus the good he brings.
The question is this: when we get to July, how will we want to use our salary pot, and would it make sense to give £200k a week of it to Sancho vs having other uses for those funds?
Sancho is a wastrel, a charlatan stealing a living off a reputation earned of the back of a couple of good seasons from years ago in an inferior league.
When i watch good players i've never heard of before I wonder what our recruitment department are doing all day.
He's decent but if we can't find another decent player somewhere at a more modest wage, you have to wonder what our scouts are doing.
He's definitely a good player. He was one of the stand out players in Bundesliga for about three seasons. It was a long time ago, but he's still in there and we're all starting to see the little signs it may be coming out. Absolutely persevere with him on the right until the end of the season and see where it leads.
He looks pretty happy here and in my eyes he wants it. Think he would take the pay drop in all honesty (he'll have to take some form as no one is matching his Man United contract). If he doesn't do enough then so be it.
He wouldn't take a pay drop to join chelsea. Absolutely no chance he is dropping his wages.
Who is paying him £250k per week next season then?
When i watch good players i've never heard of before I wonder what our recruitment department are doing all day.
Rogers?
There's no way Dortmund are having him back again. He didn't do that well when he returned on loan before. Really hard to see where he goes after this season.
Neither Spurs or Dortmund currently pay any of their players close to that, and I don't see what's so special about Sancho for them to make an exception.
Didn't Chelsea have a obligation to buy clause? They paid Manchester United several millions to get out of it.
Also cant manure trigger a one year extension? Im sure i read that somewhere
Also cant manure trigger a one year extension? Im sure i read that somewhere
They can, but there's no reason that they would want to.
Didn't Chelsea have a obligation to buy clause? They paid Manchester United several millions to get out of it.
£20m transfer fee but they still preferred to pay an additional £5m not to sign him.
Ultimately if Emery wants him and he's willing to take the necessary wage cuts it'd take for us to get him in, I guess that'd be enough for most of us.
Emery on signing Jadon Sancho permanently: “Not yet (not decided). But he’s a fantastic player.
"He will need another contract and maybe it could be here. In case he’s playing his best football, we will want him. Maybe other teams could be involved in the interest for him."
Suggests that at the very least we've discussed it with him and his people.
We don't score enough goals as a team.Yep, that's where I am.
He may be improving, but I don't think he delivers enough on the the most basic requirement of an attacking player.
If he’s peaked he can fuck off.
If he’s peaked he can fuck off.
I’m hopeful, but I agree. It’s the trajectory of his performances that give me hope.
I think he’s been decent since he came on v Arsenal at home. Was he any good v Man City at home? I went, but I can’t remember.
I think you hit the nail on the head, albeit I don’t think you mean it in the same way. He is judged against reputation rather than his performance. He has culpability there - he’s earning what he earns because of how he had performed a long while back. Is he worth £200k + a week now? No chance. But is he playing quite well, and contributing to the team? Yes.Manure as they often do, massively overpaid him and for him. I think it was €85mil.
I think you hit the nail on the head, albeit I don’t think you mean it in the same way. He is judged against reputation rather than his performance. He has culpability there - he’s earning what he earns because of how he had performed a long while back. Is he worth £200k + a week now? No chance. But is he playing quite well, and contributing to the team? Yes.Manure as they often do, massively overpaid him and for him. I think it was €85mil.
A reputation built on doing well in an inferior league where the speed and physicality is no where near PL levels.
Sancho has only been consistent in the fact he is very, very disappointing and not worthy of the reputation his name seems to carry.But what is the point of judging him based on his reputation?
Thought he was one of the best players in the first half.
I would love Bowen at Villa, gives his all every game, just the sort of winger we need.
I didn't think he was bad at all, he looks after the ball very well but as my match companion pointed out, he knows he hasn't got the pace or power to get past a modern full back to create stuff, so has to wait for runners from around him. If you could get him on a £100k a week, 4 year contract then it would be worth considering, but I dont think that would be possible. So, for what he brings to the table, there will be be more prudent options available.£100k per week !!!!!!! ?????
The clamour to start him tonight after a couple of positive cameos off the bench. Pissing rain and then jumps out of a tackle in his first play. You just knew then. He's a waste of space.
Shit out of a challenge in first minute, I'd have subbed him there and then, unacceptable.I noted that ‘challenge’. Shocking
No way I'd offer him anything other than the door in June. He's better than Bailey but that's like saying a catshit sandwich is better than catshit on toast.
Possibly knowing he's gone at the end of the season and won't risk getting injuredShit out of a challenge in first minute, I'd have subbed him there and then, unacceptable.I noted that ‘challenge’. Shocking
No way I'd offer him anything other than the door in June. He's better than Bailey but that's like saying a catshit sandwich is better than catshit on toast.
He was doing it regularly earlier in the season when he came on as sub. Hate cowardly play, just put a foot in. That said I thought overall he did ok and should have stayed on
I don’t think anyone expects him to go into crunching tackles, that isn’t his job.
But we he consistently fails to go for 50/50’s or even when the ball is in his favour, it is right to question his commitment to the cause.
The wimp out after 3 minutes yesterday was cowardly.
Has had some good 20 minute cameos coming off the bench, but not been able to produce the goods when given a start. How much are we paying for him again?
Cowardly in the tackle and in possession. I’d rather see Alysson start tomorrow night.Hope he doesn’t, he’ll be knackered by kick off.
The end product is where it's falling down for me.
The lack of bite, to put it mildly, in 50-50s is annoying, but I can see past that.
Conversely, I think he is genuinely focused and committed, and it also looks to me like he is enjoying his football with us (not just a nice to have; think of how painful it is to see Bailey suffering every game).
If he could add a burst of assists and goals...
He's getting better and adapting to Emery's methods . I think he's technically very good and way better with the ball than most of our squad.
I'd like to see more end product but assume Emery doesn't want that from him.
He reminds me of Asensio, without that end product.
Offered us absolutely nothing yesterday.
Offered us absolutely nothing yesterday.
Best game in a while. Has to start v Lille
Brilliant assist tonight.
When he kicked the ball out of play with half the pitch to run into I thought his confidence might have been dented but shortly after he took the excellent pass from Emi and laid it in a plate for McGinn.
I love shit like thatWhen he kicked the ball out of play with half the pitch to run into I thought his confidence might have been dented but shortly after he took the excellent pass from Emi and laid it in a plate for McGinn.
For those who haven't heard his interview, Emi spoke to Sancho at half time and said he'd spotted the space for Sancho to run into and he'd release the ball immediately into Sancho's path to run on to, so be ready. Sancho was ready, Emi delivered. Sancho put the ball on a plate for SJM. The fact Sancho went running back to to find Emi to celebrate rather than SJM says it all.
A wonderful and memorable goal.
I thought he was generally good last night. Apart from kicking it out of play
Did he mean that sexy little step-shuffle before passing to McGinn or did he get his feet knotted and struck lucky?
Did he mean that sexy little step-shuffle before passing to McGinn or did he get his feet knotted and struck lucky?
He looks like he should be a real player. He has the qualities but something is missing. And that goes back to what i've said before, you can see why he was highly rated and clubs keep trying with him, but you can also see why he frustrates them all and he doesn't settle anywhere since leaving Germany.
Did he mean that sexy little step-shuffle before passing to McGinn or did he get his feet knotted and struck lucky?
Of course he meant it, The Sanch doesn't rely on luck. 8)
He looks like he should be a real player. He has the qualities but something is missing. And that goes back to what i've said before, you can see why he was highly rated and clubs keep trying with him, but you can also see why he frustrates them all and he doesn't settle anywhere since leaving Germany.
Still my view on him and last night was the perfect example.
Once again, we are presented with a massive opportunity. Can put the gap back at six points minimum. Feel we need to take this now. Margin for error considering our form is nearly gone.Perhaps wouldn’t rely too much on Sancho then!
Comes across as a good lad in this interview from after the game, McInally's humour helping:I don't suppose anyone will ever get the truth about his last year or two at Man Utd - but it's safe to say, so many players have left there and gone onto do well elsewhere...
Once again, we are presented with a massive opportunity. Can put the gap back at six points minimum. Feel we need to take this now. Margin for error considering our form is nearly gone.Perhaps wouldn’t rely too much on Sancho then!
Elliots available for every game now i would seriously consider him before Sancho.
Elliots available for every game now i would seriously consider him before Sancho.
Elliots available for every game now i would seriously consider him before Sancho.
Has the ten game clause been cancelled?
Elliots available for every game now i would seriously consider him before Sancho.
Has the ten game clause been cancelled?
I assume it's guesswork based on rumours about the clause.
Ten game clause / rumours that it only applies to league games / he's played in three league games so far / he can play in six more.
Elliots available for every game now i would seriously consider him before Sancho.
Has the ten game clause been cancelled?
I assume it's guesswork based on rumours about the clause.
Ten game clause / rumours that it only applies to league games / he's played in three league games so far / he can play in six more.
Even allowing for all that, we’ve got 8 games left. And according to Google, he’s played in 4 PL games. So 5 more.
Elliots available for every game now i would seriously consider him before Sancho.
Has the ten game clause been cancelled?
I assume it's guesswork based on rumours about the clause.
Ten game clause / rumours that it only applies to league games / he's played in three league games so far / he can play in six more.
Even allowing for all that, we’ve got 8 games left. And according to Google, he’s played in 4 PL games. So 5 more.
He can't play against Liverpool, so he can play 5 out of the other 7 league games and of course all the European games. Who knows, maybe this is his moment.
He can't play against Liverpool, so he can play 5 out of the other 7 league games and of course all the European games. Who knows, maybe this is his moment.
Elliots available for every game now i would seriously consider him before Sancho.
Has the ten game clause been cancelled?
I assume it's guesswork based on rumours about the clause.
Ten game clause / rumours that it only applies to league games / he's played in three league games so far / he can play in six more.
Even allowing for all that, we’ve got 8 games left. And according to Google, he’s played in 4 PL games. So 5 more.
He can't play against Liverpool, so he can play 5 out of the other 7 league games and of course all the European games. Who knows, maybe this is his moment.
It would be a great story. My only problem being I don’t think he’s very good.
Despite the second sentence, I really mean the first one.
We need more output from him starting from today.
Elliots available for every game now i would seriously consider him before Sancho.
Has the ten game clause been cancelled?
I assume it's guesswork based on rumours about the clause.
Ten game clause / rumours that it only applies to league games / he's played in three league games so far / he can play in six more.
Even allowing for all that, we’ve got 8 games left. And according to Google, he’s played in 4 PL games. So 5 more.
He can't play against Liverpool, so he can play 5 out of the other 7 league games and of course all the European games. Who knows, maybe this is his moment.
It would be a great story. My only problem being I don’t think he’s very good.
Despite the second sentence, I really mean the first one.
Same.
His whole mood changed once he had that goal involvement. Like Leon Bailey, they are both so mentally fragile, but once they are unlocked they both have enormous potential to do positive and brilliant things.I see that with Bailey, but not so much with Sancho.
He looks like he should be a real player. He has the qualities but something is missing. And that goes back to what i've said before, you can see why he was highly rated and clubs keep trying with him, but you can also see why he frustrates them all and he doesn't settle anywhere since leaving Germany.
Still my view on him and last night was the perfect example.
Yep, within the space of a few minutes he went from running the ball out of play with no pressure on him at all to setting up a goal with a lovely bit of skill and then rattling the post.
He's looked decent at times when he's come on for 20 minutes, but is ineffective every time he starts games.
I mentioned in the other thread, I reckon it is something coached to be called as a alternative play if they notice it as the players were standing in coached positions and a quick hand signal wouldn't have meant much to Digne unless he was aware what it meant. But the lead tactic was to put the ball in the 6 yard box apart from their defender was having a blinder and was probably their MOTM and almost full MOTM even with the goals, which he could do nothing about.
Weight of pass is underrated. We had a similar worked free kick at OT. Luiz (I think) played it across to Rogers with just a bit too much pace and Rogers scuffed it wide. Yesterday McGinn could step onto that pass perfectly and curl home without checking stride.
Sancho started very impressively yesterday. But a forward player can't be passing up shooting on goal like he did for the penalty shout. Rogers effort was poor but Sancho was in a much better position.
Weight of pass is underrated. We had a similar worked free kick at OT. Luiz (I think) played it across to Rogers with just a bit too much pace and Rogers scuffed it wide. Yesterday McGinn could step onto that pass perfectly and curl home without checking stride.
Sancho started very impressively yesterday. But a forward player can't be passing up shooting on goal like he did for the penalty shout. Rogers effort was poor but Sancho was in a much better position.
I think that's generally a strength. Something he doesn't get enough/any credit for is how intelligent a footballer he is. He's always head up, almost always finds the pass in tight areas and if the pass isn't on he'll wait until it is, whilst backing his ability to keep the ball. It's really, really rare. He's a link player, but because he plays out wide it's not seen as enough. It's actually perfect for out style.
I hear people moaning about him ducking out of challenges, but that isn't his job. He's light. Let Onaka go flying in. As long as he works hard in defensive shape, which he does, it's a crazy thing to hold against him.
Sign him. Keep him with Emery. He's going to keep getting better and better.
Has been goid recently but I still wouldn't sign him. Most of the season he has been crap. For the wages i think we need to be looking at players on lower wages that are more consistent
I suspect we'll use the financial position as an excuse to have a 'blunt' conversation with him and make an offer that would place him amongst the better paid players at the club, but not the top tier. (ie. possibly only half his rumoured current wages).
Basically "This is all we can offer you due to the current situation. If you stay with us, we can give you a stable environment, regular european football, and top-tier coaching - with a view to improving salary package depending on team success. If you wish to find another higher-paid opportunity, so be it."
He is very unselfish with the ball. Not sure it's down to lack of confidence any more as he's had a couple of shots lately but he does tend to offload at the earliest opportunity.Earlier in the season Buendia was receiving and moving the ball quickly, he has now reverted to type and gets caught in possession.
I reckon he’ll end up back at Dortmund.
He is very unselfish with the ball. Not sure it's down to lack of confidence any more as he's had a couple of shots lately but he does tend to offload at the earliest opportunity.
I'd be absolutely fine with him staying and equally as fine if he didn't. The cynic in me thinks the improved performances are due to him needed to find a club in the summer and whoever signs him will be massively frustrated with him by October.
I suspect we'll use the financial position as an excuse to have a 'blunt' conversation with him and make an offer that would place him amongst the better paid players at the club, but not the top tier. (ie. possibly only half his rumoured current wages).
Basically "This is all we can offer you due to the current situation. If you stay with us, we can give you a stable environment, regular european football, and top-tier coaching - with a view to improving salary package depending on team success. If you wish to find another higher-paid opportunity, so be it."
He walked on Chelsea last summer when they put a similar offer before him. Not sure football is his main priority. Anyway if the past week is anything to go by we might finally get a tune out of him down the stretch.
He is very unselfish with the ball. Not sure it's down to lack of confidence any more as he's had a couple of shots lately but he does tend to offload at the earliest opportunity.
Winner against his former club on the last day to nudge us above them in second place.
He is very unselfish with the ball. Not sure it's down to lack of confidence any more as he's had a couple of shots lately but he does tend to offload at the earliest opportunity.
Winner against his former club on the last day to nudge us above them in second place.
I doubt he can play against ManUre, he's their player. I stand to be corrected.
But he's doing a job, holding possession and being cuter with his passing than Bailey for example.
He is very unselfish with the ball. Not sure it's down to lack of confidence any more as he's had a couple of shots lately but he does tend to offload at the earliest opportunity.
Winner against his former club on the last day to nudge us above them in second place.
I doubt he can play against ManUre, he's their player. I stand to be corrected.
He couldn't, and didn't. But he can play against Man City though.
I suspect we'll use the financial position as an excuse to have a 'blunt' conversation with him and make an offer that would place him amongst the better paid players at the club, but not the top tier. (ie. possibly only half his rumoured current wages).
Basically "This is all we can offer you due to the current situation. If you stay with us, we can give you a stable environment, regular european football, and top-tier coaching - with a view to improving salary package depending on team success. If you wish to find another higher-paid opportunity, so be it."
He walked on Chelsea last summer when they put a similar offer before him. Not sure football is his main priority. Anyway if the past week is anything to go by we might finally get a tune out of him down the stretch.
Even if that's true (and there's no evidence they cancelled the clause because he wouldn't accept a lower wage) it's an entirely different situation. At the time he was guaranteed another year on his £300k+ p/w deal with Man Utd. Accepting even £150k would've cost him millions and he wasn't playing regularly by the end of the season so what was the incentive for him?
Now he's got nothing to fall back on, whatever offers he gets this summer are all better than the alternative and I'm sure he'll be well aware that he's not getting anything like the money he has been on.
I suspect we'll use the financial position as an excuse to have a 'blunt' conversation with him and make an offer that would place him amongst the better paid players at the club, but not the top tier. (ie. possibly only half his rumoured current wages).
Basically "This is all we can offer you due to the current situation. If you stay with us, we can give you a stable environment, regular european football, and top-tier coaching - with a view to improving salary package depending on team success. If you wish to find another higher-paid opportunity, so be it."
He walked on Chelsea last summer when they put a similar offer before him. Not sure football is his main priority. Anyway if the past week is anything to go by we might finally get a tune out of him down the stretch.
Even if that's true (and there's no evidence they cancelled the clause because he wouldn't accept a lower wage) it's an entirely different situation. At the time he was guaranteed another year on his £300k+ p/w deal with Man Utd. Accepting even £150k would've cost him millions and he wasn't playing regularly by the end of the season so what was the incentive for him?
Now he's got nothing to fall back on, whatever offers he gets this summer are all better than the alternative and I'm sure he'll be well aware that he's not getting anything like the money he has been on.
My reading was that Chelsea bailed, not Sancho. All of these "loan with obligation to buy" deals usually include the player's salary negotiation up front (otherwise, what is the point of them, if the player can just say "no" at the end of the loan anyway?). And the deal Chelsea had was an "obligation", not an "option" (which is what we had with Rashford). it just had a fee they could pay to cancel the purchase, which they did.
My reading of last summer was simply that Chelsea didn't want to sign him permanently at the end of the loan - nothing to do with the offer being too low, unless they tried to renegotiate with Sancho during the loan itself. I'm also sure Chelsea would have offered him a fortune, and during the season probably thought it wasn't worth them money, and better to spend £5m cancelling the deal, than be stuck paying him £10m a year for however many years.
Yeah, if he keeps playing as he is I'd be interested, but it is still a pretty small sample. Another loan deal would probably be decent if we qualify for the Champions League, as it leaves us without massive financial liabilities the season after if we don't qualify again. Then again, if he keeps up his current form, someone will most likely offer Man U a fee and I'm not entirely sure I would want that to be us.
Shh, maybe we can start a bidding warYeah, if he keeps playing as he is I'd be interested, but it is still a pretty small sample. Another loan deal would probably be decent if we qualify for the Champions League, as it leaves us without massive financial liabilities the season after if we don't qualify again. Then again, if he keeps up his current form, someone will most likely offer Man U a fee and I'm not entirely sure I would want that to be us.
Isn’t he out of contract?
ManU have another year option. Which they are highly unlikely to trigger!
A move to Galatasaray would probably see him not drop much below what he's taking home from his current deal. So if money is what he's after, I imagine that's where he ends up.I doubt they could afford to pay him that kind of money unless Osimhen leaves. Surely they couldn't pay them both those kinds of sums?
^as PWS says.
Galatasaray are paying Osimhen far less than Napoli were.
The Turkish Government are getting even more far less* out of the arrangement than the Italian Government were.
*financially, anyway. The whole point of taking hardly anything in tax from foreign footballers is proper, old school Bread and Circuses stuff. That if everyone in Istanbul is really excited by watching Victor Osimhem and Marco Asensio every week then they're not rioting and trying to overthrow the corrupt government.
I'm surprised they don't attract even more top talent than they currently do.
For a few months.But he's doing a job, holding possession and being cuter with his passing than Bailey for example.
Nowhere near the Bailey of 23/24. That version of Bailey whether starting or off the bench was outstanding.
This probably marks out my mentality more than anything, but I’d definitely prioritise my work-life balance at that point. In as much as I’d like to minimise the “work” element and maximise the “life” part of that equation. So anything that involved me getting paid large sums of money for a low amount of effort would really tick those boxes.^as PWS says.
Galatasaray are paying Osimhen far less than Napoli were.
The Turkish Government are getting even more far less* out of the arrangement than the Italian Government were.
*financially, anyway. The whole point of taking hardly anything in tax from foreign footballers is proper, old school Bread and Circuses stuff. That if everyone in Istanbul is really excited by watching Victor Osimhem and Marco Asensio every week then they're not rioting and trying to overthrow the corrupt government.
I don't know why Istanbul isn't the absolute number one priority for players in their late-20s/early-30s on a free. They love a corrupt semi-democracy, the wages work out pretty sweetly and it's one of the world's very best cities. These mugs are signing for the fucking Punxsutawney Bailiffs instead.
He’s a smart player and his defensive game has improved vastly over the season (anyone else see him sprinting back into position in the first half on Sunday?).
There’s still the bottling tackles thing; but while annoying, it’s not a deal breaker for me personally.
The end product has been better of late but he still needs to improve further - goals and assists please.
Lastly, I’ve been impressed by how he has quietly and gradually won people over this year (take a look 30 or 40 pages back in this thread to see the difference). His profile is the perfect scapegoat (wastrel, overpaid, etc.), but his calm seriousness and talent has won plaudits.
ManU have another year option. Which they are highly unlikely to trigger!
If someone wants him I could well imagine a situation where they extend by another year and agree to sell for a knock-down fee rather than letting him walk away for nothing. If someone is willing to pay his entire salary there is also more sense in extending his deal by a year so as to obtain a loan fee.
But he's doing a job, holding possession and being cuter with his passing than Bailey for example.
Nowhere near the Bailey of 23/24. That version of Bailey whether starting or off the bench was outstanding.
ManU have another year option. Which they are highly unlikely to trigger!
He’s a smart player and his defensive game has improved vastly over the season [...]
There’s still the bottling tackles thing; but while annoying, it’s not a deal breaker for me personally.
My view is He’s not all that
No thanks. We've signed too many players on the back of 3 or 4 good performances only for them to turn shite again.It’s true that things didn’t work out with Coutinho and others, and you may well be right about Sancho. But in fairness, it’s a bit more than 3 or 4 games, for Sancho, surely?
It’s the steady improvement that encourages a favourable view of Sancho I think. Still time for it to tail off or go really well.
It’s the steady improvement that encourages a favourable view of Sancho I think. Still time for it to tail off or go really well.
200k a week on a free would be around what we'd pay in fee and wages on Guessand for 4 years as an example. He's not going to signing for 100k a week for anyone.
I wouldn't touch him. He just doesn't contribute enought.
Or sign on a free and sell in 12 months for a tidy profit.
Appears he has broken or severely strained his shoulder in the ElcheIf broken would have been properly strapped up not just held up with his shirt. If dislocated would have been popped back in there and then. Didn't look in a great deal of distress walking offOuuchiefriendly.
Appears he has broken or severely strained his shoulder in the ElcheIf broken would have been properly strapped up not just held up with his shirt. If dislocated would have been popped back in there and then. Didn't look in a great deal of distress walking offOuuchiefriendly.
Appears he has broken or severely strained his shoulder in the ElcheIf broken would have been properly strapped up not just held up with his shirt. If dislocated would have been popped back in there and then. Didn't look in a great deal of distress walking offOuuchiefriendly.
Not sure what properly strapped up means with a broken collar bone. When I broke mine I was given a basic fabric sling which wasn't too disimlar to what they did with his shirt, which I assume was temporary until they could get back to the changing room.
If it is a significant injury that is a real blow.
If we lose him after a friendly now he's finally starting to come good, I will start to think we are fucking cursed.
Not being funny, but how did he not manage to avoid a collision?
If we lose him after a friendly now he's finally starting to come good, I will start to think we are fucking cursed.
Dark forces are at work for sure.
It still might be just dislocated. I expect we will know more in the next day or two.
It still might be just dislocated. I expect we will know more in the next day or two.
And I expect to hear that it’s an amputation.
It still might be just dislocated. I expect we will know more in the next day or two.
And I expect to hear that it’s an amputation.
From the neck down.
I salute our new Mecha-Sancho overlord.It still might be just dislocated. I expect we will know more in the next day or two.
And I expect to hear that it’s an amputation.
From the neck down.
Could we put his head on to a robot and still play him? I'm not sure if the football authorities have this covered. I look forward to the the new 10ft Sancho.
Good thing Elliott can now play in every game (apart from against his shitty parent club). Doubt we'll sign Sancho now, probably for the best.
Any news on the injury? I would have thought one of the "itk" journos would have posted something by now.
So possibly both Bologna and Forest and Sunderland matches? Also not a break then which would have been a lot longer.That's actually 3 clubs, so 'both' isn't the right word there.
Expected to miss 2-3 weeks minimum, according to Tanswell.Needs a rest anyway after relentless tough slog since August.
Pisser, as he was just finding something approximating form.
Step forward Leon - the man to lead us to the land of Champions League milk and honey.
Bugger - double post.
So possibly both Bologna and Forest and Sunderland matches? Also not a break then which would have been a lot longer.That's actually 3 clubs, so 'both' isn't the right word there.
I reckon you've probably been hoodwinked by Dagenham & Redbridge, or Rushden & Diamonds. They confuse me too, and to be frank they should get a grip and decide where they want to represent.
Step forward Leon - the man to lead us to the land of Champions League milk and honey.
“He’s improving and getting better, Sancho,” Emery said.
“We will see how he is tomorrow because he was an injury for a few days or one, two or three weeks, but now it’s the second week, just starting the second week with his injury.”
Once again, I'm left wondering: if he's the answer, what the hell is the question?!
Not a chance i'd sign him in the summer.
The first goal wasn’t all on him. Our passing at the back was shocking for the time before he even got the ball.
He was shit. On the pitch for nearly 20 mins, nearly cost us the win, 1 successful pass, 0 tackles.
Unai Emery insists Sunderland's late quick-fire double against #AVFC was not Jadon Sancho's fault.
"We are going to analyse and find solutions for mistakes. I am always taking responsibility for the mistakes, not the players."
Unai Emery insists Sunderland's late quick-fire double against #AVFC was not Jadon Sancho's fault.
"We are going to analyse and find solutions for mistakes. I am always taking responsibility for the mistakes, not the players."
Unai Emery insists Sunderland's late quick-fire double against #AVFC was not Jadon Sancho's fault.
"We are going to analyse and find solutions for mistakes. I am always taking responsibility for the mistakes, not the players."
He's tried to compensate for the first and instead compounded it. He wasn't trying to be shit so I have sympathy, but we'll be investing those wages elsewhere as if nothing else our options will be wider with Champions League football and if there's a God it will be Rashford earning them.
I am a fair man however I do not want to see him in a Villa shirt again this season or any other season after his part in the two Sunderland goals.I am with you, he has proved multiple times that he can not be trusted with the football.
I reckon that the lack of goals, assists and getting stuck in throughout the season are what will do him out of a contract with us. I'd rather have Guessand.On balance his general tidiness and overall good attitude had outweighed the shirked tackles and cheap turnovers for me. The more significant weakness, from a technical standpoint, is the lack of goals and assists - he should be on a par with Buendia, for example, but is miles off. Today’s contribution consisted only of shirked tackles and cheap turnovers, which makes any right minded fan fume. If that’s the end of the road for him with us, then at least he will know why!
Unlucky today, if he had come on a bit earlier he might have got a hat-trick of assists.
He went straight down the tunnel at the whistle. There’s no way back for him. Just so unprofessional.
That is how I saw it because he looked quite upsetHe went straight down the tunnel at the whistle. There’s no way back for him. Just so unprofessional.
Little bit harsh. I imagine he felt guilty over almost costing us the points and that he didn't belong among the celebrations.
He went straight down the tunnel at the whistle. There’s no way back for him. Just so unprofessional.
Little bit harsh. I imagine he felt guilty over almost costing us the points and that he didn't belong among the celebrations.
He went straight down the tunnel at the whistle. There’s no way back for him. Just so unprofessional.
Little bit harsh. I imagine he felt guilty over almost costing us the points and that he didn't belong among the celebrations.
Yup. I see absolutely nothing from him to suggest he’s not putting in 100%, I imagine he didn’t feel great.
I don’t necessarily think that’s the case. He’s had a bad few minutes. He’d been quite good for a few weeks up until his injury. I don’t think he’s worth a stupid contract but today shouldn’t suddenly discount everything before itYesterday wasn't the decisive game: it merely underlined that Sancho is not good enough to play Emery-ball.
By my calculations we are paying GBP160,000 a week for Sancho. Not value for money.Premier League to fast and physical for him.Spend money elsewhere.
No way on God’s green earth should we even contemplate keeping Sancho a second longer than we have to. Aside from one or two flashes, he’s been a complete waste of time this season. Get rid.
By my calculations we are paying GBP160,000 a week for Sancho. Not value for money.Premier League to fast and physical for him.Spend money elsewhere.
I wonder if he might come to that conclusion himself. I feel for him a bit this morning.
I think how easily he gets pushed off the ball (same with Bailey and often Buendia as well) is why we keep try to find a more physical option for that role: Zaniolo, Ascensio and Guessand are all MUCH stronger than those 3 and have been tried to give us a physical presence out wide. McGinn isn't so big but does the job really well because he has the arse of the gods.
If Sancho hadn't been largely gash all season then he could probably be forgiven his errors yesterday. He has been gash though and his attitude has been pretty average all season too.how do we know his attitude has been gash? perhaps it's a lack of confidence?
I think if his attitude was poor he'd be nowhere near the team. It's not that, it's confidence, and you can't teach that.Think his overall attitude has been pretty exemplary, to be honest. There are things you can take issue with on the pitch, but he hasn't been a hanger-on.
I think how easily he gets pushed off the ball (same with Bailey and often Buendia as well) is why we keep try to find a more physical option for that role: Zaniolo, Ascensio and Guessand are all MUCH stronger than those 3 and have been tried to give us a physical presence out wide. McGinn isn't so big but does the job really well because he has the arse of the gods.
Someone mentioned Madueke on the transfer thread, whilst I think that would be unlikely I believe we were interested in him at Chelsea and you could absoultely see him fitting that profile.
Another one I think we had genuine interest in but hasn't set the world alight is Elanga, but I think he'd actually suit us and they look set for a fire sale.
I think if his attitude was poor he'd be nowhere near the team. It's not that, it's confidence, and you can't teach that.
I think if his attitude was poor he'd be nowhere near the team. It's not that, it's confidence, and you can't teach that.
You don't need to have confidence to have courage. Sancho has all the talent in the world but no heart.
Neither Bailey nor Sancho had my old PE teacher, for whom a meek tackle was a sure fire way of getting yourself injured.
Totally, though now I think about it, isn’t it a bit counter intuitive?Neither Bailey nor Sancho had my old PE teacher, for whom a meek tackle was a sure fire way of getting yourself injured.
If there was one single piece of coaching advice that was drilled into me mor than any other by various coaches of my youth it was 'never shit out of a tackle'.
Neither Bailey nor Sancho had my old PE teacher, for whom a meek tackle was a sure fire way of getting yourself injured.
If there was one single piece of coaching advice that was drilled into me mor than any other by various coaches of my youth it was 'never shit out of a tackle'.
Neither Bailey nor Sancho had my old PE teacher, for whom a meek tackle was a sure fire way of getting yourself injured.
If there was one single piece of coaching advice that was drilled into me mor than any other by various coaches of my youth it was 'never shit out of a tackle'.