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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on April 06, 2024, 04:58:17 PM
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Could have been worse. Should have been an easy 2-0 win.
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It was like a day at the office where you're told there will be redundancies, but they're not sure where yet.
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Oops.
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A defence that works would be nice. We ship a shocking number of goals.
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It was like a day at the office where you're told there will be redundancies, but they're not sure where yet.
Literally my existence mate
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Bad result. 10 mins of madness.
No Douggiie for next two games is a real blow.
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Let’s hope Forest show up tomorrow at Spurs or Spurs are just themselves and find a way to fuck it up. Advantage them now.
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Another disaster at home, conceding so many goals at the moment and it's running us. We miss kamara so much and without ezri at centre half we consistently struggle.
No doug for arsenal, could be ten nil
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Feels like Stoke mark 2. Is slightly better than that, but only just.
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Good game for the neutral.
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Emery's stoke moment . Very poor games for Bailey McGinn Konsa who bottled it. Carlos and Torres powder puff defending . Handed it on a plate to Spurs now .
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Champions League? You're having a laugh. Blowing a 2-0 lead to one of the league's worst away teams. And Doug getting his yellow in the last minute of stoppage time just caps off an awful day.
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Brentford fcuk us again.
I hope they go down.
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Showed character to get the point in one sense, but that nine minute spell was totally unacceptable
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Emery's stoke moment . Very poor games for Bailey McGinn Konsa who bottled it. Carlos and Torres powder puff defending . Handed it on a plate to Spurs now .
It's like some of you just want things to go tits up. Honestly.
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Poor, relatively speaking.
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Another disaster at home, conceding so many goals at the moment and it's running us. We miss kamara so much and without ezri at centre half we consistently struggle.
No doug for arsenal, could be ten nil
Our centre backs were appalling and we miss Cash badly at RB.
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Awful result. Absolutely shocking.
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Poor performance. Poor result.
Where are the leaders on the pitch? We just allowed that 10 minute spell to happen.
Luiz was beyond stupid getting that yellow card.
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They'll put us first on MOTD now the wankstains .
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Good grief defensive horror show. Honestly get a cb that can actually run ffs.
Gifted spurs 4th oh well.
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should have subbed dougie
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Poor, relatively speaking.
Just poor
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I sat watching that collapse and couldn't even get angry, it's just what we do. Our game management just doesn't exist.
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Let’s hope Forest show up tomorrow at Spurs or Spurs are just themselves and find a way to fuck it up. Advantage them now.
Spurzzz will need to throw at least four of their remaining games as we're determined to piss our chances away, it seems.
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Emery's stoke moment . Very poor games for Bailey McGinn Konsa who bottled it. Carlos and Torres powder puff defending . Handed it on a plate to Spurs now .
It's like some of you just want things to go tits up. Honestly.
Yeah youre right we should be congratulating the team on blowing a 2-0 lead
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Bad result but hold on. Some overreactions here.
I have two statements of fact.
1. Tottenham will fuck it up.
2. We will qualify for the CL.
Fact. Guarantee. Promise.
Quote me.
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Forrest are out of the relegation zone on goal difference only after Luton's win today. Hopefully they can put in a performance tomorrow.
But there's no hiding the fact we've handed the advantage to Spurs this week.
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Emery's stoke moment . Very poor games for Bailey McGinn Konsa who bottled it. Carlos and Torres powder puff defending . Handed it on a plate to Spurs now .
It's like some of you just want things to go tits up. Honestly.
One positive of a shit stoke result back in 2013 or 14 was I got a couple of free scallops from Ali Babas when I went for my post villa fuck up chippy tea mate! A positive but sadly I’m nowhere near Ali babas today
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should have subbed dougie
Dougie had 60 seconds to hold on the levels of stupidity as he didnt need to do that. Now we have no luiz next week and the week after.
Fantastic all we need
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Emery's stoke moment . Very poor games for Bailey McGinn Konsa who bottled it. Carlos and Torres powder puff defending . Handed it on a plate to Spurs now .
It's like some of you just want things to go tits up. Honestly.
Disorienting though it is to agree on anything with Tim, he's got a point. That was an absolutely atrocious throwing away of two points, conceding 3 goals so utterly limply in a nine minute spell and just scraping a draw at home to utter dross like Brentford, having been 2-0 up on 46 minutes is nothing like good enough.
We have not managed a good performance 0-90 for absolutely ages now, and we're dropping way too many points whilst shipping too many goals.
Poor performances pretty much across the board today, and I fear we've absolutely handed it to Spurs with that shocking rubbish.
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I sat watching that collapse and couldn't even get angry, it's just what we do. Our game management just doesn't exist.
Yes, we’ve given soooo many points away from winning positions, where are we in the league for that now? Still top?
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Could have been a lot worse. Previous Villa sides would have lost that at 3-2. This manager always has a trick or two up his sleeve but defend like that vs Arsenal and we'll be trashed. 18 goal Watkins is a plus too.
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I sat watching that collapse and couldn't even get angry, it's just what we do.
Indeed.
It's hardwired in at this stage.
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I feel awful, I really do.
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Emery's stoke moment . Very poor games for Bailey McGinn Konsa who bottled it. Carlos and Torres powder puff defending . Handed it on a plate to Spurs now .
Totally disagree. Three - two down and we pull it back, shows plenty of fight and bottle in this squad. We've cracked the sixty point barrier and this could prove to be a fantastic point come season's end. UTV
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That referee is a bastard. He first only points for a free kick and looks towards the North Stand, then he seems to jolt and turns back to give Luiz the yellow card. C***T
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Emery's stoke moment . Very poor games for Bailey McGinn Konsa who bottled it. Carlos and Torres powder puff defending . Handed it on a plate to Spurs now .
Totally disagree. Three - two down and we pull it back, shows plenty of fight and bottle in this squad. We've cracked the sixty point barrier and this could prove to be a fantastic point come season's end. UTV
Two nil up and concede three in 9 minutes to be 3-2 down in the first place.
We've had a great season, you're right, but that today was - again - poor, as it has been for a while. We just about scraped a point and could easily have come away with nothing.
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Emery's stoke moment . Very poor games for Bailey McGinn Konsa who bottled it. Carlos and Torres powder puff defending . Handed it on a plate to Spurs now .
Totally disagree. Three - two down and we pull it back, shows plenty of fight and bottle in this squad. We've cracked the sixty point barrier and this could prove to be a fantastic point come season's end. UTV
or we could be ruing the 2 points we threw away
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That referee is a bastard. He first only points for a free kick and looks towards the North Stand, then he seems to jolt and turns back to give Luiz the yellow card. C***T
It was a clear yellow card. The only person to be angry at there is Luiz who has let his teammates down and needlessly got himself suspended for 2 games.
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Feels like Stoke mark 2. Is slightly better than that, but only just.
You might think that, but in reality it’s not, for lots of reasons, mainly our manager was forced too make changes v Man City, he didn’t deliberately drop Watkins, John Mc, or Emi.
I accept today was a blow.
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Typical Brentford match for us, honestly. Thought we were great upfront and ten minutes of Konsa, Pau and Diego chasing ghosts cost us. Fair play to Brentford because their first half was embarrassing.
It’s two dropped and back to hoping Spurs gonna Spurs.
Thank the football gods for Ollie Watkins, the savior.
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Emery's stoke moment . Very poor games for Bailey McGinn Konsa who bottled it. Carlos and Torres powder puff defending . Handed it on a plate to Spurs now .
Totally disagree. Three - two down and we pull it back, shows plenty of fight and bottle in this squad. We've cracked the sixty point barrier and this could prove to be a fantastic point come season's end. UTV
That's one way of putting a spin on it but from 2-0 up at home to shite like that it's a stupid 2 points dropped . Then Luiz brain fart moment in injury time .
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I have to say the ref was absolutely woeful today he literally gave every decision to brentford. A very bias performance
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Oh well at least Dougie will be fresh for both Lille games.
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Bad result. Especially bad as we were 2-0 up. Spurs will smell an opportunity now.
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Positives - we didn't lose, and we can score goals.
Too many negatives - no leadership. We're far too soft. Mcginn and Luiz, we need more from that pair. Carlos and Torres looked like they'd been on ket. We run around like headless chickens at times, yet started today at such a dreary pace. We didn't look organised to me which for an Emery team is a bit worrying.
Yet at 2-0 we were cruising. I think
Special mention for the atrocious referee. Fuck me
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Mad 9 minutes where the 11 on the pitch were mentally cruising. Thank the lord for Ollie. Need to sharpen up or all this good work this season will ultimately result in very little.
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Sometimes we need reminding that we're still the Villa. From Boxing Day onwards those reminders have been coming with increased frequency.
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Oh well at least Dougie will be fresh for both Lille games.
In fairness, him being fresh for those might actually be helpful to make sure 5th place = CL.
That's it, that's literally the only positive thing I could take from today.
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Obviously this doesn’t include today, but…points lost from winning positions:
1) Aston Villa – 3 points
19 leads, 18 wins, 0 draws, 1 defeat
The opening-day aberration at Newcastle is forgotten, but at least that kind of thrashing does you no damage in this particular table. Subsequent comfy wins over Everton, Burnley, Brighton, West Ham and Fulham never really looked like doing so either. Coming from behind to beat Palace was a nice change as well, while they gratefully accepted the generous gifts offered by Spurs’ centre-backless wonders. Manchester City and Arsenal have both been vanquished 1-0 at Villa Park, although Sheffield United predictably proved a tougher nut to crack.
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That referee is a bastard. He first only points for a free kick and looks towards the North Stand, then he seems to jolt and turns back to give Luiz the yellow card. C***T
It was a clear yellow card. The only person to be angry at there is Luiz who has let his teammates down and needlessly got himself suspended for 2 games.
Agree. However, it was the manner in which the yellow card was produced that I am pissed off about.
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Obviously this doesn’t include today, but…points lost from winning positions:
1) Aston Villa – 3 points
19 leads, 18 wins, 0 draws, 1 defeat
The opening-day aberration at Newcastle is forgotten, but at least that kind of thrashing does you no damage in this particular table. Subsequent comfy wins over Everton, Burnley, Brighton, West Ham and Fulham never really looked like doing so either. Coming from behind to beat Palace was a nice change as well, while they gratefully accepted the generous gifts offered by Spurs’ centre-backless wonders. Manchester City and Arsenal have both been vanquished 1-0 at Villa Park, although Sheffield United predictably proved a tougher nut to crack.
Man, if this is Stole mkII and Dean’s wolves game.. then life is good.
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Sometimes we need reminding that we're still the Villa. From Boxing Day onwards those reminders have been coming with increased frequency.
We've been shaky / erratic ever since that Sheffield Utd game (1-1)
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Two poor teams share the points. Unai threw away the blueprint at the end of the year and since then we've struggled. Today feels like a defeat but if I'm honest I shouldn't be surprised with the result. At least we fought to the end but we're limping into the Champions League rather than charging there, assuming 5th place qualifies.
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That referee is a bastard. He first only points for a free kick and looks towards the North Stand, then he seems to jolt and turns back to give Luiz the yellow card. C***T
It was a clear yellow card. The only person to be angry at there is Luiz who has let his teammates down and needlessly got himself suspended for 2 games.
Agree. However, it was the manner in which the yellow card was produced that I am pissed off about.
I'm pissed off with Luiz. Needless challenge to make
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Sometimes we need reminding that we're still the Villa. From Boxing Day onwards those reminders have been coming with increased frequency.
We've been shaky / erratic ever since that Sheffield Utd game (1-1)
Yet we have basically matched Spurs' form over that period of time.
The only teams that are robotic in their consistency in the final 15 games of the season usually are the ones that win the title. Poor result today but not a loss, onto 60, and still a lot of games to beat Spurs.
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We miss a genuine captain, someone to give shit to players when required and to gee others up when needed. Mings was that man, McGinn is not. Losing Kamara was massive and its going to show more and more in the run in. I'd be delighted with 5th, I couldn't give a shit if Spurs get 4th but would be gutted if United nick 5th. If Utd lose tomorrow then 8 points should do it.
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Pissed off. Threw that away.
Hoping Forest might do us a favour tomorrow: it's the hope that'll kill me...
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Emery's stoke moment . Very poor games for Bailey McGinn Konsa who bottled it. Carlos and Torres powder puff defending . Handed it on a plate to Spurs now .
It's like some of you just want things to go tits up. Honestly.
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Sometimes we need reminding that we're still the Villa. From Boxing Day onwards those reminders have been coming with increased frequency.
We've been shaky / erratic ever since that Sheffield Utd game (1-1)
We have been losing players for several matches at a time since then so any wonder? We didn't have Torres or Kamara in that one for example.
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Emery's stoke moment . Very poor games for Bailey McGinn Konsa who bottled it. Carlos and Torres powder puff defending . Handed it on a plate to Spurs now .
Totally disagree. Three - two down and we pull it back, shows plenty of fight and bottle in this squad. We've cracked the sixty point barrier and this could prove to be a fantastic point come season's end. UTV
or we could be ruing the 2 points we threw away
Now, if we'd lost after being 2-0 up, I'd be absolutely gutted. If Brentford had snatched it 3-4 with Toney scoring in the 97th minute I'd be beyond absolutely gutted. The fact that we gained something from near calamity is something that rarely happens going by my experience of Villa over the recent past, so I'm content with a point in the end - and four points taken from a shit-housing side like Brentford this season will do me fine. We just have to keep pushing and grinding out the points from here on.
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Because this is Villa, I am still keeping and eye on West Ham, Newcastle and Brighton to see if they are creeping ever nearer. Fortunately, 7th, and more Conference League, looks assured, pretty much, but any more performances like this and we will struggle for top 5. We ship far too many simple goals, don't keep enough clean sheets, we are often not aggressive enough in the right way. Douglas, you oaf. We must not get cocky when 2-0 up. Really disappointing week. 1 point, 4 scored, 7 conceded.
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We didn't lose, after 10 mins of madness. Shame about Dougie's yellow but he could do with a rest, and he'll be fresh for Lille.
C'mon Liverpool, Arsenal, Citeh and West Ham!
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1 to 11 we're a better team than Tottingham with everyone fit (not a luxury we've had this season).
But in the games I watched them recently against Brighton, Palarse and Luton at home there was sense of inevitability about them coming back when they went behind.
Relentess, chance after chance created. We couldn't nab a goal when we needed it in the closing stages and looked short of ideas. That, married with the defensive fuckeries which have dogged us in the second half of the campaign will probably do for us.
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9 minutes of lunacy against an awful side. We didn't play particularly well, but you don't necessarily need to.
4 wins out of the last 6 needed.
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Really disappointed with McGinn today , and Luiz . Neither got control of the midfield .
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Our home form really has gone to shit.
Its been so bad since December
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Because this is Villa, I am still keeping and eye on West Ham, Newcastle and Brighton to see if they are creeping ever nearer. Fortunately, 7th, and more Conference League, looks assured, pretty much, but any more performances like this and we will struggle for top 5. We ship far too many simple goals, don't keep enough clean sheets, we are often not aggressive enough in the right way. Douglas, you oaf. We must not get cocky when 2-0 up. Really disappointing week. 1 point, 4 scored, 7 conceded.
Mate, even with dropping 2 points today, Man United are 12 points back with 1 of their games in hand against Liverpool.
West Ham are 12 back on the same games as us with 21 worse goal difference.
Both of these teams would need to win 5/7 or 6/6 games to even land on the same points as us if we win 1 more game this season and lost all the others.
Whatever happens we'll be upgrading the European competition next year.
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As good as Torres is with the ball, we’ve not got anyone anywhere near as good at Mings in defence at defending. It’s been brilliant, but we’ve looked quite vulnerable all season. We need someone quick, organised and solid next to Torres next season. Probably Konsa and a more reliable right back would do the trick.
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Because this is Villa, I am still keeping and eye on West Ham, Newcastle and Brighton to see if they are creeping ever nearer. Fortunately, 7th, and more Conference League, looks assured, pretty much, but any more performances like this and we will struggle for top 5. We ship far too many simple goals, don't keep enough clean sheets, we are often not aggressive enough in the right way. Douglas, you oaf. We must not get cocky when 2-0 up. Really disappointing week. 1 point, 4 scored, 7 conceded.
Mate, even with dropping 2 points today, Man United are 12 points back with 1 of their games in hand against Liverpool.
West Ham are 12 back on the same games as us with 21 worse goal difference.
Both of these teams would need to 5/7 or 6/6 games to even land on the same points as us if we win 1 more game this season and lost all the others.
Whatever happens we'll be upgrading the European competition next year.
Exactly.
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9 minutes of lunacy against an awful side. We didn't play particularly well, but you don't necessarily need to.
4 wins out of the last 6 needed.
Playing like we are there's not a chance that will happen.
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Really disappointed with McGinn today , and Luiz . Neither got control of the midfield .
Who are you suggesting from Brentford did then?
We did whatever we wanted for the first 60 minutes and the last 20 into stoppage time.
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The idea is that we don't play like that again.
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Because this is Villa, I am still keeping and eye on West Ham, Newcastle and Brighton to see if they are creeping ever nearer. Fortunately, 7th, and more Conference League, looks assured, pretty much, but any more performances like this and we will struggle for top 5. We ship far too many simple goals, don't keep enough clean sheets, we are often not aggressive enough in the right way. Douglas, you oaf. We must not get cocky when 2-0 up. Really disappointing week. 1 point, 4 scored, 7 conceded.
Mate, even with dropping 2 points today, Man United are 12 points back with 1 of their games in hand against Liverpool.
West Ham are 12 back on the same games as us with 21 worse goal difference.
Both of these teams would need to 5/7 or 6/6 games to even land on the same points as us if we win 1 more game this season and lost all the others.
Whatever happens we'll be upgrading the European competition next year.
Exactly.
Problem is we really need champions league and having been in Pole most of the season if we don't get it and get Europa where the revenue is far less it will feel like a bit of a disaster .
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Sometimes we need reminding that we're still the Villa. From Boxing Day onwards those reminders have been coming with increased frequency.
We've been shaky / erratic ever since that Sheffield Utd game (1-1)
We have been losing players for several matches at a time since then so any wonder? We didn't have Torres or Kamara in that one for example.
Looking back, it was the Brentford away match (Brentford again FFS) that started chipping away at the foundations we'd built up. Torres gets injured (an injury he seemingly still hasn't fully recovered from) and Kamara gets suspended for key games at the turn of the year.
We haven't been right since.
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The idea is that we don't play like that again.
I like that idea.
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I do hope this coefficient thing that gets top 5 into the CL isn’t reliant on us winning the Europa League.
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Because this is Villa, I am still keeping and eye on West Ham, Newcastle and Brighton to see if they are creeping ever nearer. Fortunately, 7th, and more Conference League, looks assured, pretty much, but any more performances like this and we will struggle for top 5. We ship far too many simple goals, don't keep enough clean sheets, we are often not aggressive enough in the right way. Douglas, you oaf. We must not get cocky when 2-0 up. Really disappointing week. 1 point, 4 scored, 7 conceded.
Mate, even with dropping 2 points today, Man United are 12 points back with 1 of their games in hand against Liverpool.
West Ham are 12 back on the same games as us with 21 worse goal difference.
Both of these teams would need to 5/7 or 6/6 games to even land on the same points as us if we win 1 more game this season and lost all the others.
Whatever happens we'll be upgrading the European competition next year.
Exactly.
Problem is we really need champions league and having been in Pole most of the season if we don't get it and get Europa where the revenue is far less it will feel like a bit of a disaster .
We don't NEED it. If we have to sell one player this summer to buy two, with Europa League football, so be it. We will improve.
The idea that the lights will turn off if we don't get CL is for the birds. Just trying to set some reasonable expectations here.
The season is long, we have done well but it's fucking tough. Form and how well we were playing in October/November doesn't give you a divine right to carry that on for another 6 months all the way to the end of the season. Unless you're Man City with 2 world class players in every position.
Spurs are not just going to win every game they play either, it'll likely go down to the last game of the season and it's still a coin toss.
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1 to 11 we're a better team than Tottingham with everyone fit (not a luxury we've had this season).
But in the games I watched them recently against Brighton, Palarse and Luton at home there was sense of inevitability about them coming back when they went behind.
Relentess, chance after chance created. We couldn't nab a goal when we needed it in the closing stages and looked short of ideas. That, married with the defensive fuckeries which have dogged us in the second half of the campaign will probably do for us.
Well today we did score a goal after going behind, and we have managed to get probably as many late goals as Tottenham. The difference is it is rare for us to not win once we have gone ahead. I think this is the second match were we haven't after the Manure away which went a similar way.
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Because this is Villa, I am still keeping and eye on West Ham, Newcastle and Brighton to see if they are creeping ever nearer. Fortunately, 7th, and more Conference League, looks assured, pretty much, but any more performances like this and we will struggle for top 5. We ship far too many simple goals, don't keep enough clean sheets, we are often not aggressive enough in the right way. Douglas, you oaf. We must not get cocky when 2-0 up. Really disappointing week. 1 point, 4 scored, 7 conceded.
Mate, even with dropping 2 points today, Man United are 12 points back with 1 of their games in hand against Liverpool.
West Ham are 12 back on the same games as us with 21 worse goal difference.
Both of these teams would need to 5/7 or 6/6 games to even land on the same points as us if we win 1 more game this season and lost all the others.
Whatever happens we'll be upgrading the European competition next year.
Exactly.
Problem is we really need champions league and having been in Pole most of the season if we don't get it and get Europa where the revenue is far less it will feel like a bit of a disaster .
Jesus, brighten up would you, it's very clearly not a disaster if we got Europa. Champ league is the target but an improvement on last year and maintaining a good European run is excellently done, especially given the injuries.
It's been an excellent season, enjoy it ffs
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I do hope this coefficient thing that gets top 5 into the CL isn’t reliant on us winning the Europa League.
Hmmm. There'd be a football like symmetry to that .
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Let’s hope Forest show up tomorrow at Spurs or Spurs are just themselves and find a way to fuck it up. Advantage them now.
Spurzzz will need to throw at least four of their remaining games as we're determined to piss our chances away, it seems.
I know. We are out-Spurzzing Spurs at the moment.
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We really need another right back, because I don't like Konsa there. He constantly loses track of his winger because he's too focused on what's going on to his left, i.e. the place he's more used to being.
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Problem is we really need champions league and having been in Pole most of the season if we don't get it and get Europa where the revenue is far less it will feel like a bit of a disaster .
So maybe start moaning about the disaster if it happens chicken little.
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We really need another right back, because I don't like Konsa there. He constantly loses track of his winger because he's too focused on what's going on to his left, i.e. the place he's more used to being.
That has been the position that Unai hasn't filled in three windows so far. They cannot leave it a fourth.
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We really need another right back, because I don't like Konsa there. He constantly loses track of his winger because he's too focused on what's going on to his left, i.e. the place he's more used to being.
Totally agree, he's a bit like Bambi on Ice at times playing RB and we should have bought cover for Cash last summer .
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We def need another right back to rival the Polish Cafu. The lad from Red Star Belgrade looks more like a long term project.
If we're shunting Konsa RB again and Diego is lining up for us at all next season the summer won't have gone too well.
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I have to say the ref was absolutely woeful today he literally gave every decision to brentford. A very bias performance
I actually thought he was OK first half, made some decisions that pissed Brentford off. Then that woeful second half. It was like 'Stockley Park' literally told him to even it up during the break. Bizarre.
As others have said, shocking from Konsa, Pau in particular, and I'd add Tielemans to that second half (their quick free kick esp) - we looked a lot more solid on the right when Ginny moved back late on.
We switched off at the 2-0 goal, decided we'd already won. Not a top level mentality. I don't like the bloke, but you think of someone like Henderson when at Liverpool - no way that's allowed to happen. We're still too nice, especially without Ty. Need performances next two Thursdays - I'm expecting nothing at the Arse.
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Just not good enough - regardless of going for top 4 or not, failing to win from a 2 goal lead at home to Brentford is not good enough.
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We def need another right back to rival the Polish Cafu. The lad from Red Star Belgrade looks more like a long term project.
If we're shunting Konsa RB again and Diego is lining up for us at all next season the summer won't have gone too well.
Carlos is definitely one i'd look to try and get 10m for + his wages off the books. Good player, but not elite, and if we want to be chasing top 4 each year, we need elite.
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Because this is Villa, I am still keeping and eye on West Ham, Newcastle and Brighton to see if they are creeping ever nearer. Fortunately, 7th, and more Conference League, looks assured, pretty much, but any more performances like this and we will struggle for top 5. We ship far too many simple goals, don't keep enough clean sheets, we are often not aggressive enough in the right way. Douglas, you oaf. We must not get cocky when 2-0 up. Really disappointing week. 1 point, 4 scored, 7 conceded.
Mate, even with dropping 2 points today, Man United are 12 points back with 1 of their games in hand against Liverpool.
West Ham are 12 back on the same games as us with 21 worse goal difference.
Both of these teams would need to 5/7 or 6/6 games to even land on the same points as us if we win 1 more game this season and lost all the others.
Whatever happens we'll be upgrading the European competition next year.
Exactly.
Problem is we really need champions league and having been in Pole most of the season if we don't get it and get Europa where the revenue is far less it will feel like a bit of a disaster .
Jesus, brighten up would you, it's very clearly not a disaster if we got Europa. Champ league is the target but an improvement on last year and maintaining a good European run is excellently done, especially given the injuries.
It's been an excellent season, enjoy it ffs
Europa, now, would be crap. Sorry but it would be. It’s been a great season. Excellent would be smashing the glass ceiling for fucking once!
We are so close. It’s going to be tense. So everyone needs to try and stay calm. Players, fans. Everyone. But don’t make out that Europa would be ace.
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Shocking defending
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Cruising then blew it, then salvaged something. Strange afternoon. A point is better than none.
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A point was the bare minimum, so we take it and move on.
Thought Rogers was impressive yet agin, looks a real talent who is getting better each game.
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Incredibly disappointing.
At 2-0 up, with our home record, & their away record, it should have been a comfortable win.
Another "Stoke moment" & our bottle battle with Spurs to see if we can allow ManU to sleaze their way into 4th or 5th is well & truly on.
They have taken their foot off the pedal when a couple up a few times this season & while its good that the likes of Watkins & Douglas Luiz have admitted as such in post match interviews, they need to order everyone around them to jack it in.
Frustrating as fuck.
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Konsa should have made it 4 3 . Freeheader missed, he was poor today.
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Jesus, brighten up would you, it's very clearly not a disaster if we got Europa. Champ league is the target but an improvement on last year and maintaining a good European run is excellently done, especially given the injuries.
It's been an excellent season, enjoy it ffs
I agree. I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be disappointed finishing 5th, but only because we were 4th for so long. I'm not overly concerned with the fact 4th definitely brings Champions League, whereas 5th could still miss out. Obviously there's financial gain to be had with CL, but look at Newcastle this season. They've struggled to balance it all and may still end up out of Europe entirely next season. So is the goal one flash in the pan CL run? Or, as boring as it sounds, should we be looking at building something more sustainable?
The squad we have have just about managed to balance Conference with the league, so far..... Both Cup competitions were basically a write off. Obviously we're expecting to add players in the summer, but it's still a huge step up from here to there. When the dust settles I'd think what an incredible season we've had, and be excited about what next season may bring. But in the heat of the moment, it'll be really f**king disappointing to watch Spurs Angeball their way past us.
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Ollie Watkins: "It's frustrating. We lacked that big team mentality where they kill games off which is really disappointing. I'm not belittling my team. I'm part of it."
As disappointing as it is to admit it’s important they are together on this. It’s a very candid observation by Ollie and something we need to develop as a club. It’s not easy and we have come a long way very quickly.
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Absolutely. It’s a double fucker. Konsa gets drawn inside too much defensively, doesn’t offer much offensively as a right back, basically is pretty ordinary playing that position.
We also really miss having our best centre half, playing at centre half.
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Ollie Watkins: "It's frustrating. We lacked that big team mentality where they kill games off which is really disappointing. I'm not belittling my team. I'm part of it."
As disappointing as it is to admit it’s important they are together on this. It’s a very candid observation by Ollie and something we need to develop as a club. It’s not easy and we have come a long way very quickly.
Well said.
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Absolutely. It’s a double fucker. Konsa gets drawn inside too much defensively, doesn’t offer much offensively as a right back, basically is pretty ordinary playing that position.
We also really miss having our best centre half, playing at centre half.
Cash injured at the moment.
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Still can't quite believe that. Did OK first half and got the lead, came out well after the break , got the second goal and looked like we were going to steamroller them.
Then just an inexplicable collapse, which was bizarre as it wasn't even though Brentford were on top particularly. Will have to watch the goals again, but surely it wasn't a coincidence that all three goals came from crosses from a similar position down our right hand side. Came back into after that, equalised and and pushed for the winner but to no avail. Luiz getting booked in the 97th minute for a nothing tackle in the middle of the pitch probably summed it up.
Time will tell if that point goes on to be an important one or the two dropped ones turn out to be very costly.
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Ollie Watkins: "It's frustrating. We lacked that big team mentality where they kill games off which is really disappointing. I'm not belittling my team. I'm part of it."
As disappointing as it is to admit it’s important they are together on this. It’s a very candid observation by Ollie and something we need to develop as a club. It’s not easy and we have come a long way very quickly.
It is good to see but when does it change? We keep having these “moments”.
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We would have been over the moon with 5th at the start of the season. It will feel a disappointment - but if we’re lucky and get this coefficient thingy and we get UCL then in the long run it won’t really matter.
The squad and the manager have done amazingly but probably with the injuries we have just pushed the quality and depth of the squad.
This is the 3rd chance we have blown to really put make 4th place ours - versus Man Utd, Spurs and Brentford at home.
My biggest concern is lack of leadership - in all 3 of those games we showed a lack of backbone. Typified by that fact that two of the leaders of the club showed terrible judgement and restraint by getting lengthy bans when we already have two midfielders out for the rest of the season.
The defense is too weak and lacks leadership. Pau is great going forward but I really struggle to see the point in Carlos. He’s a weak link. We have missed Mings leadership at times. And konsa can do a job at right back but the fact remains he is our best defender and overs very little going forward. And without Kamara or even dendonker screening we ship goals for fun.
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I do hope this coefficient thing that gets top 5 into the CL isn’t reliant on us winning the Europa League.
So do I! We’re not even in it *wink*
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Not ITK at all but I think Carlos was going to be sold but for Mings getting injured.
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Ollie Watkins: "It's frustrating. We lacked that big team mentality where they kill games off which is really disappointing. I'm not belittling my team. I'm part of it."
As disappointing as it is to admit it’s important they are together on this. It’s a very candid observation by Ollie and something we need to develop as a club. It’s not easy and we have come a long way very quickly.
It is good to see but when does it change? We keep having these “moments”.
When we operate at the top end of the table for longer than 12 months I assume. And have hanged that culture at the club from top to bottom. For most of the past 3 decades we’ve operated at the arse end of the league.
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We def need another right back to rival the Polish Cafu. The lad from Red Star Belgrade looks more like a long term project.
If we're shunting Konsa RB again and Diego is lining up for us at all next season the summer won't have gone too well.
Carlos is definitely one i'd look to try and get 10m for + his wages off the books. Good player, but not elite, and if we want to be chasing top 4 each year, we need elite.
Don't think he's looked a good player for us at all, save the games against Citeh and Arsenal around Christmas. Even luminaries such as Ashley Westwood, Jordan Bowery and Rudy Gestede managed the odd good game.
For the fee + wages that we paid for him, we were prob expecting closer to elite level. Rather than Carl Tiler on 'roids.
Not pinning today on him, mind. He had a good support cast this afternoon.
But we generally look more vulnerable at the back when he starts.
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Ollie Watkins: "It's frustrating. We lacked that big team mentality where they kill games off which is really disappointing. I'm not belittling my team. I'm part of it."
As disappointing as it is to admit it’s important they are together on this. It’s a very candid observation by Ollie and something we need to develop as a club. It’s not easy and we have come a long way very quickly.
Its the kind of thing that leads to the best players leaving. I'm not doom mongering or anything, but there will come a point where collectively they become that team, with that mentality, or players like Watkins, Luiz, Martinez etc. start thinking they've given enough time to this project and it's just not happening.
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Ollie Watkins: "It's frustrating. We lacked that big team mentality where they kill games off which is really disappointing. I'm not belittling my team. I'm part of it."
As disappointing as it is to admit it’s important they are together on this. It’s a very candid observation by Ollie and something we need to develop as a club. It’s not easy and we have come a long way very quickly.
Its the kind of thing that leads to the best players leaving. I'm not doom mongering or anything, but there will come a point where collectively they become that team, with that mentality, or players like Watkins, Luiz, Martinez etc. start thinking they've given enough time to this project and it's just not happening.
I think quite the opposite. It leads to us bringing in more players who have operated under pressure of being at the top. The manager isn’t going anywhere. He has stressed mentality as a key ingredient in our success. So for me it means players who fail to perform at the top level leaving and bringing better ones in. And we’ve already seen that given just where we are less than 2 years removed from being one of the worst teams in the league.
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We def need another right back to rival the Polish Cafu. The lad from Red Star Belgrade looks more like a long term project.
If we're shunting Konsa RB again and Diego is lining up for us at all next season the summer won't have gone too well.
Carlos is definitely one i'd look to try and get 10m for + his wages off the books. Good player, but not elite, and if we want to be chasing top 4 each year, we need elite.
Don't think he's looked a good player for us at all, save the games against Citeh and Arsenal around Christmas. Even luminaries such as Ashley Westwood, Jordan Bowery and Rudy Gestede managed the odd good game.
For the fee + wages that we paid for him, we were prob expecting closer to elite level. Rather than Carl Tiler on 'roids.
Not pinning today on him, mind. He had a good support cast this afternoon.
But we generally look more vulnerable at the back when he starts.
Agree with with this - if we had got that bloke from Burnley on a free that Everton signed I think he would have contributed more
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We haven’t. We just gone from title winning form to really good top 6-8 form, which with our squad is where we should be.
We over performed the first third of the season.
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Unforgivable defending!
All 3 of their goals were abysmal from our point of view. As for Dougies booking, that’s just not good enough. We’ve got enough injuries and it’s bloody unforgivable and a massive lack of discipline.
It’s times like this we miss Kamara but we should’ve done exactly what we did against Wolves and played the game out.
Somehow we’ve got to shore up that midfield and hops Cash is back next week so we can move Konsa back inside.
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I’m in the Spurs will blow it camp and I think we’ll finish 4th still. But we definitely cannot be losing a 2 goal lead at home against a team like Brentford if we have ideas of competing in the elite euro competition. The teams above us don’t do it
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I have to say the ref was absolutely woeful today he literally gave every decision to brentford. A very bias performance
I actually thought he was OK first half, made some decisions that pissed Brentford off. Then that woeful second half. It was like 'Stockley Park' literally told him to even it up during the break. Bizarre.
As others have said, shocking from Konsa, Pau in particular, and I'd add Tielemans to that second half (their quick free kick esp) - we looked a lot more solid on the right when Ginny moved back late on.
We switched off at the 2-0 goal, decided we'd already won. Not a top level mentality. I don't like the bloke, but you think of someone like Henderson when at Liverpool - no way that's allowed to happen. We're still too nice, especially without Ty. Need performances next two Thursdays - I'm expecting nothing at the Arse.
For me 1st half the made thw mpst ridiculous decision not giving a pen to carlos when he was pulled down yet gave foul other way.
I just knew after that what kind of referee we were getting today
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When your manager decides to shit the bed in the week, don’t be surprised when the team does likewise.
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Absolutely. It’s a double fucker. Konsa gets drawn inside too much defensively, doesn’t offer much offensively as a right back, basically is pretty ordinary playing that position.
We also really miss having our best centre half, playing at centre half.
Cash injured at the moment.
I know. I’m just saying Konsa isn’t a good right back, and is an International centre back. As others have said, we need cover at RB.
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We def need another right back to rival the Polish Cafu. The lad from Red Star Belgrade looks more like a long term project.
If we're shunting Konsa RB again and Diego is lining up for us at all next season the summer won't have gone too well.
Carlos is definitely one i'd look to try and get 10m for + his wages off the books. Good player, but not elite, and if we want to be chasing top 4 each year, we need elite.
Don't think he's looked a good player for us at all, save the games against Citeh and Arsenal around Christmas. Even luminaries such as Ashley Westwood, Jordan Bowery and Rudy Gestede managed the odd good game.
For the fee + wages that we paid for him, we were prob expecting closer to elite level. Rather than Carl Tiler on 'roids.
Not pinning today on him, mind. He had a good support cast this afternoon.
But we generally look more vulnerable at the back when he starts.
Agree with with this - if we had got that bloke from Burnley on a free that Everton signed I think he would have contributed more
What I mean is, I think Carlos would be alright for West Ham. Or someone in upper mid table. 30m or whatever we paid for him is pretty much the going rate for a defender of that standard.
To get 70 points and Champions League, you need a different quality of player than that, who is consistent week after week. Konsa and Torres are there based on their performances across the season. Maybe Mings too (although lets not forget he also consistently has a mistake in him). But we need to be buying another Pau-level CB this summer I think.
For example, Spurs paid £45m for van de Ven this summer who is outstanding. That's the level we need to be shopping around for.
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I'm gutted, call me a cry baby or whatever but I can't see us finishing 4th, we haven't got the cajones.
Massive 2 points dropped.
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Christ almighty. The other week spurs were thumped at Fulham and they had handed the initiative back to us now we draw at home to Brentford who battered manure last week in all but goals it’s not the end by any stretch of the imagination.
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Ollie Watkins: "It's frustrating. We lacked that big team mentality where they kill games off which is really disappointing. I'm not belittling my team. I'm part of it."
As disappointing as it is to admit it’s important they are together on this. It’s a very candid observation by Ollie and something we need to develop as a club. It’s not easy and we have come a long way very quickly.
Its the kind of thing that leads to the best players leaving. I'm not doom mongering or anything, but there will come a point where collectively they become that team, with that mentality, or players like Watkins, Luiz, Martinez etc. start thinking they've given enough time to this project and it's just not happening.
I think quite the opposite. It leads to us bringing in more players who have operated under pressure of being at the top. The manager isn’t going anywhere. He has stressed mentality as a key ingredient in our success. So for me it means players who fail to perform at the top level leaving and bringing better ones in. And we’ve already seen that given just where we are less than 2 years removed from being one of the worst teams in the league.
It's not really the opposite, it's just one way of the team becoming one with a stronger mentality. Replace the ones that can't/won't make that step up. In that respect the summer transfer window will be a hugely important one for us. There needs to be constant progression in order to hold on to the players we really want to be holding on to.
We've been very badly hit with injury and a couple of suspensions, making it harder to maintain consistency with the line up and keep up that winning mentality we had for the first half of the season. So I don't think it's a massive problem, we don't need to replace half the team, but there is definitely some thoughtful recruitment to be done this summer.
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Ollie Watkins: "It's frustrating. We lacked that big team mentality where they kill games off which is really disappointing. I'm not belittling my team. I'm part of it."
As disappointing as it is to admit it’s important they are together on this. It’s a very candid observation by Ollie and something we need to develop as a club. It’s not easy and we have come a long way very quickly.
Its the kind of thing that leads to the best players leaving. I'm not doom mongering or anything, but there will come a point where collectively they become that team, with that mentality, or players like Watkins, Luiz, Martinez etc. start thinking they've given enough time to this project and it's just not happening.
Honestly what are you going on about, we're battling for champions league after being in relegation places when this manager came in. You're absolutely doom mongering to a ridiculous extent
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I have to say the ref was absolutely woeful today he literally gave every decision to brentford. A very bias performance
I actually thought he was OK first half, made some decisions that pissed Brentford off. Then that woeful second half. It was like 'Stockley Park' literally told him to even it up during the break. Bizarre.
As others have said, shocking from Konsa, Pau in particular, and I'd add Tielemans to that second half (their quick free kick esp) - we looked a lot more solid on the right when Ginny moved back late on.
We switched off at the 2-0 goal, decided we'd already won. Not a top level mentality. I don't like the bloke, but you think of someone like Henderson when at Liverpool - no way that's allowed to happen. We're still too nice, especially without Ty. Need performances next two Thursdays - I'm expecting nothing at the Arse.
For me 1st half the made thw mpst ridiculous decision not giving a pen to carlos when he was pulled down yet gave foul other way.
I just knew after that what kind of referee we were getting today
He could quite easily have given a penalty for the Bailey challenge in the first couple of minutes too
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Incredibly disappointing.
We paid the price for a turgid first half, and a few minutes of absolute madness in the second.
Had we approached the whole game like we did the last 20 minutes, we would have battered them.
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What I mean is, I think Carlos would be alright for West Ham. Or someone in upper mid table. 30m or whatever we paid for him is pretty much the going rate for a defender of that standard.
To get 70 points and Champions League, you need a different quality of player than that, who is consistent week after week. Konsa and Torres are there based on their performances across the season. Maybe Mings too (although lets not forget he also consistently has a mistake in him). But we need to be buying another Pau-level CB this summer I think.
For example, Spurs paid £45m for van de Ven this summer who is outstanding. That's the level we need to be shopping around for.
Well Torres was consistent in marking spaces rather then people for all three goals.
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When your manager decides to shit the bed in the week, don’t be surprised when the team does likewise.
What a daft comment to make. We are sitting in 4th spot after a remarkable season.
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I hate these evenings. People aren't doom mongers - they're having a rant to get it all out of their system. Conversely, people aren't overly optimistic - they're rationalising. Let everyone have their little chunter, whatever it may be.
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Incredibly disappointing.
We paid the price for a turgid first half, and a few minutes of absolute madness in the second.
Had we approached the whole game like we did the last 20 minutes, we would have battered them.
The first half were we didn't concede and took the lead (and I won't mention the really strange penalty decision as Watkins goal came within a minute). If the whole match was that turgid we would have won.
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When your manager decides to shit the bed in the week, don’t be surprised when the team does likewise.
What a daft comment to make. We are sitting in 4th spot after a remarkable season.
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I'm pretty sure Risso would have been happy after this result, he has been wanting it since Wednesday. Seems I was wrong.
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Positive: two good goals from Ollie.
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Ollie Watkins: "It's frustrating. We lacked that big team mentality where they kill games off which is really disappointing. I'm not belittling my team. I'm part of it."
As disappointing as it is to admit it’s important they are together on this. It’s a very candid observation by Ollie and something we need to develop as a club. It’s not easy and we have come a long way very quickly.
Its the kind of thing that leads to the best players leaving. I'm not doom mongering or anything, but there will come a point where collectively they become that team, with that mentality, or players like Watkins, Luiz, Martinez etc. start thinking they've given enough time to this project and it's just not happening.
Honestly what are you going on about, we're battling for champions league after being in relegation places when this manager came in. You're absolutely doom mongering to a ridiculous extent
It's not doom mongering. It's just a fact. We have players other teams want. They're the kind of players who want to win things, and if we don't make that mental breakthrough, they will eventually leave.
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When your manager decides to shit the bed in the week, don’t be surprised when the team does likewise.
Goodness me.
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Still scratching my head at what happened in the second half.
2-0 and the game should be done and usually is with our game management under UE.
Instead we had a wretched 10 minute spell of refusing to press, refusing to block crosses and then not bothering to mark anyone in the six yard box when the cross came in.
I don't think we even strung together 5 successive passes between Brentford scoring their first and third we were that poor. Really Unai should've put a sub or two on at that point to try and shake us out of that malaise.
At least we dug a point out in the end but it's very much advantage Spurs now for 4th and we need to make sure we don't mess up the Lille games as it's sort of in our own hands to make 5th 100% true for CL.
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When your manager decides to shit the bed in the week, don’t be surprised when the team does likewise.
What are you talking about, it was a free hit!
It will be a sad day for this club when some hound this wonderful man out of his job.
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More angry with Emery/Dougie than the actual result.
Dougie was off it for most of that game yet Emery hooked Tielemans, who was by far the better player of the two today.
Dougie suspension causes yet more strain on an already creaking midfield.
Only benefit is we use him across both Lille games.
Hate these kind of games. Bournemouth will be the same.
Still confident we’ll get 4th. We’re up against Spurs - The team that comes third in a two horse race.
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As good as Torres is with the ball, we’ve not got anyone anywhere near as good at Mings in defence at defending. It’s been brilliant, but we’ve looked quite vulnerable all season. We need someone quick, organised and solid next to Torres next season. Probably Konsa and a more reliable right back would do the trick.
Torres was appalling today and to be honest he has been poor since returning from injury. Problem today, and something we need to address in the summer, we have no genuine pace in midfield without Ramsey.
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I know we all say about getting better players with the right mentality etc - but luiz let us down today but getting a ban, McGinn the same against spurs.
They are 2 of our best players - the ones we will struggle to keep.
The players we have signed don’t seem to have a better mentality than the ones that have been the core of our team since Dean smith was there. Our best and most reliable ones bar Kamara were all in the Smith reign. Carlos is a poor signing - Digne has done ok - but if I am completely honest - it’s these upgrade players we sign that seem to lack that winning mentality as much as anyone. Mareno has been rubbish this season. Youri goes missing too often when we need some drive - Diaby has been ok but basically a poor man’s Leon Bailey. Zaniolo rubbish, pau good but defensively he drops more mistakes then mings.
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When your manager decides to shit the bed in the week, don’t be surprised when the team does likewise.
What are you talking about, it was a free hit!
It will be a sad day for this club when some hound this wonderful man out of his job.
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A very sad day indeed.
Bad result today but we have a world class coach and to lose him would be horrendously bad.
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I have to say the ref was absolutely woeful today he literally gave every decision to brentford. A very bias performance
I actually thought he was OK first half, made some decisions that pissed Brentford off. Then that woeful second half. It was like 'Stockley Park' literally told him to even it up during the break. Bizarre.
As others have said, shocking from Konsa, Pau in particular, and I'd add Tielemans to that second half (their quick free kick esp) - we looked a lot more solid on the right when Ginny moved back late on.
We switched off at the 2-0 goal, decided we'd already won. Not a top level mentality. I don't like the bloke, but you think of someone like Henderson when at Liverpool - no way that's allowed to happen. We're still too nice, especially without Ty. Need performances next two Thursdays - I'm expecting nothing at the Arse.
For me 1st half the made thw mpst ridiculous decision not giving a pen to carlos when he was pulled down yet gave foul other way.
I just knew after that what kind of referee we were getting today
Yeah that was a bizarre one. Gave a foul against Carlos and then checked VAR for a penalty.
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Another disaster at home, conceding so many goals at the moment and it's running us. We miss kamara so much and without ezri at centre half we consistently struggle.
No doug for arsenal, could be ten nil
Not a disaster. We rescued the game, we will progress next game. UTV
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As if things couldn't get any worse, I've just dropped a bag of rice which has split all over the kitchen floor. Fuck sake.
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When your manager decides to shit the bed in the week, don’t be surprised when the team does likewise.
What a daft comment to make. We are sitting in 4th spot after a remarkable season.
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I'm pretty sure Risso would have been happy after this result, he has been wanting it since Wednesday. Seems I was wrong.
Yeah I really enjoy when we’re shit. Bellend.
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Positive: two good goals from Ollie.
Rogers 1st goal for us not a positive?
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When your manager decides to shit the bed in the week, don’t be surprised when the team does likewise.
What a daft comment to make. We are sitting in 4th spot after a remarkable season.
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I'm pretty sure Risso would have been happy after this result, he has been wanting it since Wednesday. Seems I was wrong.
Yeah I really enjoy when we’re shit. Bellend.
You have literally been yelling STOKE STOKE STOKE STOKE since Wednesday evening? So why wouldn't I think you would be happy when that exact scenario nearly happened.
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When your manager decides to shit the bed in the week, don’t be surprised when the team does likewise.
What are you talking about, it was a free hit!
It will be a sad day for this club when some hound this wonderful man out of his job.
WTF? Who is hounding Unai Emery out!? Absolutely nobody is doing that. If you want to pretend that scraping a draw at home to relegation fodder is somehow decent when chasing an absolutely transformational 4th place, you are deluding yourself.
Missing out after 18 months of being in, to finish outside of CL this season would be crushing. Crushing. But the thing that would feel worse would be Villa fans agreeing with the absolutely inevitable narrative that Europa is amazing and what we should gladly accept what with us being only little villa and all. Same as villa fans still cheeing on Jack fucking Grealish. Have some respect for yourselves.
Newcastle got the job done. Everton have played in the CL. Spurs.
Anything other than CL will be shite.
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When your manager decides to shit the bed in the week, don’t be surprised when the team does likewise.
What are you talking about, it was a free hit!
It will be a sad day for this club when some hound this wonderful man out of his job.
WTF? Who is hounding Unai Emery out!? Absolutely nobody is doing that. If you want to pretend that scraping a draw at home to relegation fodder is somehow decent when chasing an absolutely transformational 4th place, you are deluding yourself.
Missing out after 18 months of being in, to finish outside of CL this season would be crushing. Crushing. But the thing that would feel worse would be Villa fans agreeing with the absolutely inevitable narrative that Europa is amazing and what we should gladly accept what with us being only little villa and all. Same as villa fans still cheeing on Jack fucking Grealish. Have some respect for yourselves.
Newcastle got the job done. Everton have played in the CL. Spurs.
Anything other than CL will be shite.
Get a fucking grip will you
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When your manager decides to shit the bed in the week, don’t be surprised when the team does likewise.
What are you talking about, it was a free hit!
It will be a sad day for this club when some hound this wonderful man out of his job.
WTF? Who is hounding Unai Emery out!? Absolutely nobody is doing that. If you want to pretend that scraping a draw at home to relegation fodder is somehow decent when chasing an absolutely transformational 4th place, you are deluding yourself.
Missing out after 18 months of being in, to finish outside of CL this season would be crushing. Crushing. But the thing that would feel worse would be Villa fans agreeing with the absolutely inevitable narrative that Europa is amazing and what we should gladly accept what with us being only little villa and all. Same as villa fans still cheeing on Jack fucking Grealish. Have some respect for yourselves.
Newcastle got the job done. Everton have played in the CL. Spurs.
Anything other than CL will be shite.
Get a fucking grip will you
Fuck off you ******
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Jesus! We’ve all had a drink.
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It's all going a bit Begbie in here.
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finshing outside of the top 4 after being in it for so long would smart a bit, for sure, but we need to see the big picture.
In terms of long term injuries, whilst managing european football, finishing top 5 is a fantastic achievement IMO, and to say it's shite is reactionary nonsense.
Today was a bad result, nobody is saying otherwise but honestly take a step back mate and calm down a bit.
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Even though we got a point, that one hurt today. The Manure one on Boxing Day hurt just as much. Have we it in us to get something from the Tarquins game? I'm having a bit of trouble processing what happened and how we let it happen.
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Positive: two good goals from Ollie.
Rogers 1st goal for us not a positive?
3 positives that comes to my mind accurately at this moment in time: we scored three goals.
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Went from a chill out on the beach to a full on rave with no in between.
Disappointed, but reality is we’re getting 4th or 5th worse case, which will probs be champions league. Since we came back up , 17th, 11th, 15th(?), 7th, 4th/5th…..
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Reminded me of Man Utd away where we suddenly crumbled based on nothing that had gone on previously in the game.
Brentford just played 2 defensive blocks in the first half and we were too slow playing it through
After the first 15 mins or so of the second half, I couldn't see them getting 1 let alone 3, but all of them came down our right and started with Reguilón. Konsa was wide open as he seemed to tuck inside too much.
It should never have happened, but it was a sudden swing of confidence on both sides, rather than some tactical switch. Panic and poor defending madness.
At least we fought back.
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finshing outside of the top 4 after being in it for so long would smart a bit, for sure, but we need to see the big picture.
In terms of long term injuries, whilst managing european football, finishing top 5 is a fantastic achievement IMO, and to say it's shite is reactionary nonsense.
Today was a bad result, nobody is saying otherwise but honestly take a step back mate and calm down a bit.
Ok, so stop being so patronising. I was replying to somebody talking about Emery being ‘hounded out’ by imaginary people who didn’t appreciate him. Fucking zero people exist. And my back is already up with commentators saying we should appreciate 6th (or 5th) and the Europa. You know, like Brighton are.
I’m sorry I swore at you. I’m cross.
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As if things couldn't get any worse, I've just dropped a bag of rice which has split all over the kitchen floor. Fuck sake.
Sending strength - the only thing worse than that is dropping icing sugar
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Feels like a defeat, not sure how the midfield and defence went missing for that 10 minute spell when they got three.
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I think the wind was a big factor today, every cross was just hanging up in the north stand penalty area. It may have been better to defend that end first half if we had won the toss. At 2-0 with no Toni on the pitch it looked game over.
McGinn looked a bit ring rusty and Bailey only looked like vintage Bailey for the goal when he burst past two men.
After being 4th most of the season being done in the final furlong to spurs would turn my stomach. Theres plenty of football to be played yet and it might go to the final game.
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9 minutes of lunacy against an awful side. We didn't play particularly well, but you don't necessarily need to.
4 wins out of the last 6 needed.
The only way we will NEED to win 4 out of the last 6 is if Spurs beat Forest, Sheff Utd and Burnley - and ALSO beat two of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle and Man City. The chances of that are extremely remote. Fail to win tomorrow, and they'd need to beat THREE of those final five team.
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I have to say though i thought brentford were good today. They were very organised especially at the back.
I think their league position is a false postion. Mbeumlo looks like a top player
Have always been impressed with him when ive seen him. Would love him here
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9 minutes of lunacy against an awful side. We didn't play particularly well, but you don't necessarily need to.
4 wins out of the last 6 needed.
The only way we will NEED to win 4 out of the last 6 is if Spurs beat Forest, Sheff Utd and Burnley - and ALSO beat two of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle and Man City. The chances of that are extremely remote. Fail to win tomorrow, and they'd need to beat THREE of those final five team.
If Spurs win tomorrow then they're level on points with a game in hand. So surely all they have to do is equal our results, at best, and at some point they have an actual free hit too?
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Positive: two good goals from Ollie.
And we didn’t lose.
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What is clear, as is always the case after a disappointing result, some people need to have some perspective.
This is at least the 3rd time we've handed 4th place to Spurs in the past month & to date they've always handed it back.
We'll finish where we deserve to & it'll most likely be 5th. Hopefully that will be enough for Champions League qualification.
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As if things couldn't get any worse, I've just dropped a bag of rice which has split all over the kitchen floor. Fuck sake.
Orzo you say.
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It felt we went a little bit Billy Big
Bollocks at 2-0.
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It's as fractious on here as it was on the Holte earlier.
Results like these do provoke extreme emotions, and you can always rely on someone being hysterical.
No need to get nasty, but then some people are like that. I'm fuming but still love this manager. this team and I will always love this club.
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Konsa should be in the centre of defence.
Not buying another RB is haunting us.
At least the run in will be exciting.
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What is clear, as is always the case after a disappointing result, some people need to have some perspective.
This is at least the 3rd time we've handed 4th place to Spurs in the past month & to date they've always handed it back.
We'll finish where we deserve to & it'll most likely be 5th. Hopefully that will be enough for Champions League qualification.
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Considering the injuries we've had, it's still brilliant that we are where we are.
Our performances have been really disjointed in the last few months though. I'd love to see us regain some of the defensive solidity we had when Emery arrived last season. We will have the personnel to keep it much tighter than we are.
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Given how poor Brentford were, I still thought we would get the winner late on. Konsa's effort was appalling but that aside our game management was woeful. Starting with subs in the 90th minute, pointless! So many idiotic fouls that killed the clock. We had 17 mins or so after Watkins scored to get the winner.
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9 minutes of lunacy against an awful side. We didn't play particularly well, but you don't necessarily need to.
4 wins out of the last 6 needed.
The only way we will NEED to win 4 out of the last 6 is if Spurs beat Forest, Sheff Utd and Burnley - and ALSO beat two of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle and Man City. The chances of that are extremely remote. Fail to win tomorrow, and they'd need to beat THREE of those final five team.
If Spurs win tomorrow then they're level on points with a game in hand. So surely all they have to do is equal our results, at best, and at some point they have an actual free hit too?
Yes, if we do indeed "need to win 4 of the last 6" and they win tomorrow then they would STILL have to beat both Sheff Utd and Burnley (perfectly plausible) but ALSO two of Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Newcastle and Man City (plausible, but not likely). That would give them the five wins they need to get past us and our "four wins out of six" (though it would be down to goal difference).
We both have what you'd call "three winnable games" left. They also have five pretty difficult ones, we have three of them. For the record, I don't think they will win 5 from 8, and I don't think we'll win 4 from 6. 69 points could be enough given how bad the bottom two are and how good the top three are. It would be enough for Top Four about a third of the time in the last decade. If they can get 6 points or more from that run of five very difficult games, then they probably deserve it. Though it's also not beyond the realms of possibility we get something when Liverpool visit on 11th May.
I just think it's a lot closer than some people seem to think. I genuinely thought if we won today it would knock the wind out of Spurs, but we didn't, and now it's about 50/50 who gets fourth. They win tomorrow and it's 60/40 in their favour, but still all to play for.
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Unexpected results always occur at this time of the season. Most teams are battling for something. We were guilty of complacency but we have a spirit and determination I’ve not seen from Villa sides for a long time. We were a break in the box from winning it.
With all the injuries and suspensions we’ve had to contend with, we continue to punch above our weight. I still think we’ll get to 70 points.
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Stoke mark 2. This side is no ready for the champions league.
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Stoke mark 2. This side is no ready for the champions league.
I respectfully disagree I think we’re on the upward curve towards playing in the CL.
Talk of ‘Stoke’ is very premature and tiresome.
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I thought the wind played a huge part today. We over got everything first half, second half it stopped out flow and almost gifted Brentford a fourth at the end. I think it also led to their first.
Otherwise defensively we looked v fragile and Konsa doesn’t seem to be a right back.the space the left winger was given was huge. All three goals came from there I think.
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Whatever happens to us, someone,somewhere, will always shout "Stoke!"
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Unai Emery on Brentford's left side: "It was my mistake, I have to correct it. Because Regulion crossed three times for three goals. I have to correct it."
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Well at least he noticed. Hopefully he'll do something about it in future.
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I thought the wind played a huge part today. We over got everything first half, second half it stopped out flow and almost gifted Brentford a fourth at the end. I think it also led to their first.
Otherwise defensively we looked v fragile and Konsa doesn’t seem to be a right back.the space the left winger was given was huge. All three goals came from there I think.
Weirdly Digne was over there defending for the first. I'm guessing they had a freekick which went for a throw-in (as the goal scorer was a defender in the box). He initially tried to put his crossed behind his back to stop a potential handball (it is outside the box) so he was off balance when the ball went to winger.
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As if things couldn't get any worse, I've just dropped a bag of rice which has split all over the kitchen floor. Fuck sake.
Sending strength - the only thing worse than that is dropping icing sugar
Or a bucket of lego...
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Yet more proof that for all their good points Carlos and Torres can’t defend.
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Unai Emery on Brentford's left side: "It was my mistake, I have to correct it. Because Regulion crossed three times for three goals. I have to correct it."
He could stop playing 5 Minute Tielemans as a defensive midfielder too.
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As if things couldn't get any worse, I've just dropped a bag of rice which has split all over the kitchen floor. Fuck sake.
Sending strength - the only thing worse than that is dropping icing sugar
Instant coffee is a right nuisance as well, especially if it's on to damp or wet surfaces.
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Konsa and Pau have been great, but watching it back the former was absolutely atrocious for all the goals and the latter was dreadful for two of them. How Konsa just kept letting the crosses come in is astonishing.
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It's as fractious on here as it was on the Holte earlier.
Results like these do provoke extreme emotions, and you can always rely on someone being hysterical.
No need to get nasty, but then some people are like that. I'm fuming but still love this manager. this team and I will always love this club.
I know people are frustrated and it almost felt like a loss leaving the ground earlier, but do think we need to have a bit of perspective. With 6 games to go, we're still in 4th and in the QFs of a European competition.
Yes, we're limping a bit towards the finish line at the moment, but we've made huge strides in the last year or so and are competing with sides with far bigger squads and budgets.
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I think the problem is, when these bad periods happen it’s not that we become a bit stodgy it’s that we become completely hapless and inept. Konsa is a great example, having a great season but in that 9 minutes he was about as effective as a traffic cone on three separate occasions. It’s ok for your levels to drop a bit, but it can’t drop so much that you completely turn a game on its head. There should be more leadership and awareness of that in game.
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My lad said quote of the season for me earlier....
"The sides below us are "bottle jobs"
I agree with him, 4th it is then.
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Stoke mark 2. This side is no ready for the champions league.
I respectfully disagree I think we’re on the upward curve towards playing in the CL.
Talk of ‘Stoke’ is very premature and tiresome.
As a long season gets towards the critical phase as we go for champions league qualification, we rested players midweek in a game to have them fresh for this game against a mid to lower table struggling side- one of our easier remaining fixtures. We went two goals up and ended up drawing. It’s hard not to see the see the similarities.
This is the business end of the season where we need to get the job done. Today was a complete shambles. 3 goals in 6 minutes - yet again conceding in the first 15 minutes of the second half. It keeps happening and we’re not addressing it. We’re better off not having half time.
We blew it at home to Man Utd and Spurs who are our rivals for a champions league spot. And we blew a massive opportunity today. I’m not feeling massively positive right now about Villa not doing a Villa yet again.
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funnily enough i often refer to brentford as the new stoke, they are basicly kick and rush and use long throws. play in red stripe too ;D
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funnily enough i often refer to brentford as the new stoke, they are basicly kick and rush and use long throws. play in red stripe too ;D
That was the other thing; they literally do play like Stoke!
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Just seen the goals - they were 3 piss poor goals to concede. And all so similar. How we let them own the 6 yard box is beyond me.
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Its a absolute disgrace we conceded THREE goals in 9 minutes. We conceded two in 3 mins vs spurs then a further 2 in four minutes.
I mean thats embarrassingly poor in my opinion. That doesnt just happen thats a mental issue. They need to toughen up thats for sure.
If you want to bw successful you simply cannot do this
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I think the problem is, when these bad periods happen it’s not that we become a bit stodgy it’s that we become completely hapless and inept. Konsa is a great example, having a great season but in that 9 minutes he was about as effective as a traffic cone on three separate occasions. It’s ok for your levels to drop a bit, but it can’t drop so much that you completely turn a game on its head. There should be more leadership and awareness of that in game.
The one thing I would say is that we have looked a bit short of leaders on the pitch when things have got a bit tough this season. We just don't seem to have that bit of experience and nous to manage things when we're up against it.
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Fcuking hell I’m always a glass half empty kind of guy when it comes to the Villa but goodness me the state of this thread tonight. We are fighting for fourth not fourth bottom with this squad! It’s incredible we are still in it.
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It went from them sticking ten behind the ball and not even looking like scoring to them looking like scoring every time they went forward at 2-3 up. It was a massive clusterfuck of a nine minutes but at least we got something out of it.
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For me the thing that stands out is that the midfield seem scared to actually take a shot at goal from distance against a deep back 10….there were times McGinn / Douglas & Teilemans were all in shooting range and predictably tried another pass….Rogers was the only one shooting!
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Fcuking hell I’m always a glass half empty kind of guy when it comes to the Villa but goodness me the state of this thread tonight. We are fighting for fourth not fourth bottom with this squad! It’s incredible we are still in it.
Naturally people are going to bw annoyed. Conceding 3 goals like that AGAIN people are getting fed up of it. You do it once but twice ? God thats bad.
I think as well people rightly are concerned about the recent home form. Its been very poor
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Are we not just last year’s Arsenal albeit at a slightly lower level?
They have clearly learnt from last season’s experience as one would hope Villa will.
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For me the thing that stands out is that the midfield seem scared to actually take a shot at goal from distance against a deep back 10….there were times McGinn / Douglas & Teilemans were all in shooting range and predictably tried another pass….Rogers was the only one shooting!
Not just a Villa problem. Every team does that now.
They obviously use stars and get told not to do it.
You do need to use some common sense because I see it so many times where you'd be better off taking a shot.
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Konsa was terrible second half, and it cost us big time. He’s experienced enough not to perform like that, but in his defence, if he’d been in his natural CB position, with Cash at RB, Brentford wouldn’t have got a sniff.
We live and learn. I disagree with some opinions that we should be grateful of where we are - No we shouldn’t. That’s the difference between winners and losers, and I’m sure the players will be as frustrated, if not more, than we are by how things are panning out recently.
We could have been top at Xmas but shit the bed against the league’s bottom side, and we had our strongest side out today against one of the league’s most out of form sides…. and ballsed it up again.
Hopefully the experiences of this season will put us in good stead for the future, but it does give off that feeling of ‘oh what could have been’.
I still think we’ll finish 4th. If it wasn’t Spurs chasing us, I’d maybe be a little more concerned…. But it’s Spurs.
Onto Lille and a result which will hopefully put us within reach of a European semi.
UTV
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Konsa was terrible second half, and it cost us big time. He’s experienced enough not to perform like that, but in his defence, if he’d been in his natural CB position, with Cash at RB, Brentford wouldn’t have got a sniff.
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Cash is out injured. Konsa earned his first cap as a right back recently.
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I think the problem is, when these bad periods happen it’s not that we become a bit stodgy it’s that we become completely hapless and inept. Konsa is a great example, having a great season but in that 9 minutes he was about as effective as a traffic cone on three separate occasions. It’s ok for your levels to drop a bit, but it can’t drop so much that you completely turn a game on its head. There should be more leadership and awareness of that in game.
The one thing I would say is that we have looked a bit short of leaders on the pitch when things have got a bit tough this season. We just don't seem to have that bit of experience and nous to manage things when we're up against it.
Mings was our warrior. When he did his ACL I thought we would struggle to make 7th again. That's one of the reasons why I am happy to be where we are. If he hadn't done his ACL Pau would have been eased in and would have sat out certain games. We have really missed Mings in games like today.
His loss was then compounded by us losing Kamara. Honestly, we have done well to hold it together.
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Konsa was terrible second half, and it cost us big time. He’s experienced enough not to perform like that, but in his defence, if he’d been in his natural CB position, with Cash at RB, Brentford wouldn’t have got a sniff.
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Cash is out injured. Konsa earned his first cap as a right back recently.
I realise that. But RB Konsa is nowhere near as good as CB Konsa.
I’d be tempted to throw KKH in against Bournemouth and revert Konsa to CB.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/a-villa-vs-brentford/report/482901
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Konsa was terrible second half, and it cost us big time. He’s experienced enough not to perform like that, but in his defence, if he’d been in his natural CB position, with Cash at RB, Brentford wouldn’t have got a sniff.
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Cash is out injured. Konsa earned his first cap as a right back recently.
I realise that. But RB Konsa is nowhere near as good as CB Konsa.
I’d be tempted to throw KKH in against Bournemouth and revert Konsa to CB.
Maybe. We haven't had a settled back four since the injuries started before Christmas
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And can we stop singing that 'Small Heath get battered' rubbish? It makes us sound our obsessed loons.
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Another battering on the weekend won't help with confidence either.
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When is Cash back? Next week by any chance? Don't fancy Konsa against Saka.
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Just watched the goals again and we were truly woeful defensively for all three of Brentford's goals. Unai has recognised this and will do something about it. It's great that we are all so disappointed with having only drawn a game, shows real progress. I am a naturally defensive person and am still looking over the shoulder at other teams but still enjoying where we are in the league. If we can tidy up the defending, concentrate more, get closer to their markers, we will be ok. Losing Douglas for 2 games is a blow but I expect him to get up for the Lille games and make up for a daft booking. To have so many players unavailable, we have done brilliantly to be where we are.
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The telling part in Unai’s interview was admitting it was a tactical problem, rather than individual errors that led to the goals.
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It went from them sticking ten behind the ball and not even looking like scoring to them looking like scoring every time they went forward at 2-3 up. It was a massive clusterfuck of a nine minutes but at least we got something out of it.
Yes it was so strange. At half time I couldn’t see brentford scoring, quite a shock. It reminded me of the Forest game. Emery never blames injuries and suspensions but we are clearly weakened and what’s left of the squad are looking tired. Hopefully we can progress in Europe and hang on in there.
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I have to say though i thought brentford were good today. They were very organised especially at the back.
I think their league position is a false postion. Mbeumlo looks like a top player
Have always been impressed with him when ive seen him. Would love him here
Brentford were really good last week against Utd and should have won handsomely. Yes Utd are crap but still managed to take 6 points off us. Disappointing today but it isn’t over yet by a long shot
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Our best centre back partnership is Konsa and Torres. Play them together.
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Ok the tactical thing I did wonder if Emery was telling Konsa to play so out of position and give them so much room out wide. It made little sense and Brentford worked it out.
Ok finishing 5th being an achievement - after the season we’ve had not finishing 4th has to be a disappointment.
And as for silly Small Heath chants yes this follows a long line of regrettable songs. By rights they aren’t our rivals and never were until 60s Evening Mail hype. But I fear that battle is gone now!
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At 2-0 I was thinking what a professional job and how Uni could start resting players. It was then 9 minutes of utter madness that I don't think anyone if the 42K in the ground could have predicted. We are woeful at letting crosses into the box and defending them when they arrive. Uni and his coaches must know this but the same mistakes are being made week after week. It's strange because when Uni came in we were quite able to defend a 1-0 lead quite comfortably with a back 6 at times. At 2-0 we needed to just control the game and the 3 points were ours. To our credit the team did manage to force the equaliser and push for a winner but I do wonder if the manner of the collapse will be defining in the run in for fourth spot.
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Our best centre back partnership is Konsa and Torres. Play them together.
I think i would rather go with that and kesler at rb than that horror show back four.
It was truly awful 2nd half. School boy defending at times
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At 2-0 I was thinking what a professional job and how Uni could start resting players. It was then 9 minutes of utter madness that I don't think anyone if the 42K in the ground could have predicted. We are woeful at letting crosses into the box and defending them when they arrive. Uni and his coaches must know this but the same mistakes are being made week after week. It's strange because when Uni came in we were quite able to defend a 1-0 lead quite comfortably with a back 6 at times. At 2-0 we needed to just control the game and the 3 points were ours. To our credit the team did manage to force the equaliser and push for a winner but I do wonder if the manner of the collapse will be defining in the run in for fourth spot.
Although that was with a defence of Mings and Konsa with Cash as right back and Kamara just in front of them.
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Our best centre back partnership is Konsa and Torres. Play them together.
It's actually Konsa / Mings . I like Torres ball playing ability but he's not a great defender , neither is DC. Lenglet is ok but has no presence.
The 1st half walking football approach to the game was poor in my opinion. It made it too easy for them to reserve energy levels and also turned the atmosphere to Library. You don't see the top teams playing at snails pace .
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Konsa was terrible second half, and it cost us big time. He’s experienced enough not to perform like that, but in his defence, if he’d been in his natural CB position, with Cash at RB, Brentford wouldn’t have got a sniff.
We live and learn. I disagree with some opinions that we should be grateful of where we are - No we shouldn’t. That’s the difference between winners and losers, and I’m sure the players will be as frustrated, if not more, than we are by how things are panning out recently.
We could have been top at Xmas but shit the bed against the league’s bottom side, and we had our strongest side out today against one of the league’s most out of form sides…. and ballsed it up again.
Hopefully the experiences of this season will put us in good stead for the future, but it does give off that feeling of ‘oh what could have been’.
I still think we’ll finish 4th. If it wasn’t Spurs chasing us, I’d maybe be a little more concerned…. But it’s Spurs.
Onto Lille and a result which will hopefully put us within reach of a European semi.
UTV
I completely agree with your sentiment. We might be ahead of schedule but you grasp the opportunities that present themselves. We’ve got ourselves into a fantastic position and to blow it would be a huge disappointment. Losers just accept the pat on the head. If people are happy enough with that, then that’s their choice and is fair enough but I personally want more.
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At 2-0 I was thinking what a professional job and how Uni could start resting players. It was then 9 minutes of utter madness that I don't think anyone if the 42K in the ground could have predicted. We are woeful at letting crosses into the box and defending them when they arrive. Uni and his coaches must know this but the same mistakes are being made week after week. It's strange because when Uni came in we were quite able to defend a 1-0 lead quite comfortably with a back 6 at times. At 2-0 we needed to just control the game and the 3 points were ours. To our credit the team did manage to force the equaliser and push for a winner but I do wonder if the manner of the collapse will be defining in the run in for fourth spot.
Although that was with a defence of Mings and Konsa with Cash as right back and Kamara just in front of them.
We’ve missed Mings massively and obviously our worry before losing Kamara the stand-in would have always been a big downgrade. We knew we may have the odd game without him, but to lose him for as long as we have is a nightmare.
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It’s fatigue, we have no or few options.
We have done brilliantly to get where we are but the injuries and lack of squad depth is now impacting on our season.
We will do well to finish 5th.
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It’s fatigue, we have no or few options.
We have done brilliantly to get where we are but the injuries and lack of squad depth is now impacting on our season.
We will do well to finish 5th.
So when we lose all our remaining matches, which of 1 win in the last 5 Manure, or one win in the last five WHAM will gain the neccessary 12-13 points to go above us?
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Brentford are like an irritating rash that just won't go away
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We really need another right back, because I don't like Konsa there. He constantly loses track of his winger because he's too focused on what's going on to his left, i.e. the place he's more used to being.
100%. Been saying he has been rough there for months. Great CB, average RB.
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We've always had a glass spine. If Unai can remove that from our DNA he'll be our best manager since Ron Saunders.
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Konsa was terrible second half, and it cost us big time. He’s experienced enough not to perform like that, but in his defence, if he’d been in his natural CB position, with Cash at RB, Brentford wouldn’t have got a sniff.
We live and learn. I disagree with some opinions that we should be grateful of where we are - No we shouldn’t. That’s the difference between winners and losers, and I’m sure the players will be as frustrated, if not more, than we are by how things are panning out recently.
We could have been top at Xmas but shit the bed against the league’s bottom side, and we had our strongest side out today against one of the league’s most out of form sides…. and ballsed it up again.
Hopefully the experiences of this season will put us in good stead for the future, but it does give off that feeling of ‘oh what could have been’.
I still think we’ll finish 4th. If it wasn’t Spurs chasing us, I’d maybe be a little more concerned…. But it’s Spurs.
Onto Lille and a result which will hopefully put us within reach of a European semi.
UTV
I completely agree with your sentiment. We might be ahead of schedule but you grasp the opportunities that present themselves. We’ve got ourselves into a fantastic position and to blow it would be a huge disappointment. Losers just accept the pat on the head. If people are happy enough with that, then that’s their choice and is fair enough but I personally want more.
I think we'd have more if we hadn't had such crushing injuries.
We're ahead of schedule anyway as I think Europa League qualification would have been a significant success and progress on last season.
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Brentford are like an irritating rash that just won't go away
They gave us a tough game in the states in the summer . Weren't we 2-0 up in that one too .
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Just seen the MOTD highlights, so seen the goals again. Digne poor for the first and Konsa poor for the 2nd and the 3rd for allowing crosses into the box when the attacker shouldn't have really got them in. Carlos and Torres were all over the place in the middle when those balls came in though.
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Just seen the MOTD highlights, so seen the goals again. Digne poor for the first and Konsa poor for the 2nd and the 3rd for allowing crosses into the box when the attacker shouldn't have really got them in. Carlos and Torres were all over the place in the middle when those balls came in though.
We are conceding over 2 goals a game currently.
Our defence buckled under the slightest pressure.
We really miss Kamara.
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Mings return cannot come soon enough .
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For me the thing that stands out is that the midfield seem scared to actually take a shot at goal from distance against a deep back 10….there were times McGinn / Douglas & Teilemans were all in shooting range and predictably tried another pass….Rogers was the only one shooting!
I said this earlier at the game. The occasional shot from distance against a packed defence makes them think it can happen again the next time so one of the packed defence steps up to block, thus creating space where they would have been.
So much of our first half play was slow and in front of Brentford that we needed to move them out of position. having said that, we scored 3 today and that should have been enough to win. The real issue was the poor defensive performance and a collective freezing when under moderate pressure
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Our expected goals against since 1st Jan 2024 is 4th worst in the league, after being 4th best for the first half of the season.
The position of our centre halves at times today was criminal, Carlos especially is draw to the ball far, far too easily
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Our expected goals against since 1st Jan 2024 is 4th worst in the league, after being 4th best for the first half of the season.
The position of our centre halves at times today was criminal, Carlos especially is draw to the ball far, far too easily
As good as Torres has been at times, Mings and Konsa are still easily our 2 best CB's at actually defending. Could potentially see Mings, Konsa and Torres as a 3 next season
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I’m in the Spurs will blow it camp and I think we’ll finish 4th still. But we definitely cannot be losing a 2 goal lead at home against a team like Brentford if we have ideas of competing in the elite euro competition. The teams above us don’t do it
The teams above us will all likely finish on 89-90 points and one of them will probably be in the CL final. The other could win three trophies.
Let's be clear that's a very very high standard to compare yourselves to and while we've been good for half the season most of our performances in 2024 really haven't been that good and that's about 15 games now.
It's a long old season and it's no good having pats on the back in the December period if we can't keep things together mentally in April/May as that's where nearly teams stay being nearly men which is what Ollie was alluding to.
That said as disappointing as today was it's within our capabilities to beat Chelsea and Bournemouth and get 4 points from Brighton and Palace. Do that and that gives Spurs a bit to do still as just beating Forest, Burnley and Sheffield in their run in only gets them to 66 points.
April remains a big month with the Lille games so that wretched ten minute period today is a big lesson in what can happen if we let our standards dramatically slip.
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Before our second goal Brentford was playing to try and nick a goal after the second went in they went nothing to lose and really exposed our weaknesses at the back. Most top teams after going two up would consolidate at the back and play on the break, we didn't stengthen our back line we went after more goals which to me is asking for trouble. Thought Emery got the tactics all wrong second half. Konsa needs to be with Pau in the centre of defence as others have said, our main problem is that we have run out of quality through injuries, it will be a struggle for us from now on I fear.
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We should not be losing a 2-goal advantage against anyone at home, but especially Brentford. Sad to say that was Ezri's worst defensive performance in some time, as soon as Reguilon pushed forward he lost him every time contributing to 2 of their goals. Pau also looked rusty. I actually thought Diego did quite well and handled their physicality pretty well.
Special mention for Luiz's stupidity to get the suspending yellow.
Special special mention for the ref who only appeared to be calling things in favour of Brentford.
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Brentford are like an irritating rash that just won't go away
They gave us a tough game in the states in the summer . Weren't we 2-0 up in that one too .
No, they were 2 up, then we roared into a 3-2 lead. They equalized after about an hour.
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We should not be losing a 2-goal advantage against anyone at home, but especially Brentford. Sad to say that was Ezri's worst defensive performance in some time, as soon as Reguilon pushed forward he lost him every time contributing to 2 of their goals. Pau also looked rusty. I actually thought Diego did quite well and handled their physicality pretty well.
Special mention for Luiz's stupidity to get the suspending yellow.
Special special mention for the ref who only appeared to be calling things in favour of Brentford.
Weird that you say that about the ref, because I thought he gave us pretty much everything in the first half.
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We should not be losing a 2-goal advantage against anyone at home, but especially Brentford. Sad to say that was Ezri's worst defensive performance in some time, as soon as Reguilon pushed forward he lost him every time contributing to 2 of their goals. Pau also looked rusty. I actually thought Diego did quite well and handled their physicality pretty well.
Special mention for Luiz's stupidity to get the suspending yellow.
Special special mention for the ref who only appeared to be calling things in favour of Brentford.
Weird that you say that about the ref, because I thought he gave us pretty much everything in the first half.
I thought he was just generally poor for both teams overall. I've seen worse, though.
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For me the thing that stands out is that the midfield seem scared to actually take a shot at goal from distance against a deep back 10….there were times McGinn / Douglas & Teilemans were all in shooting range and predictably tried another pass….Rogers was the only one shooting!
I said this earlier at the game. The occasional shot from distance against a packed defence makes them think it can happen again the next time so one of the packed defence steps up to block, thus creating space where they would have been.
I would have thought that they’ll have been specifically coached not to shoot as the percentile of scoring VS offering possession back to the opposition is more in favour of offering possession back. Therefore, ‘find the dope’ will be in encouraged as it will be perceived to be a better means of controlling the game.
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I watched some of the Arsenal game, they went 2-0 up and then stacked their defence. When i watched the Villa replay every goal Brentford got had players loose without a marker, totally unacceptable. We have to be more hard nosed and play to get the result.
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I watched some of the Arsenal game, they went 2-0 up and then stacked their defence. When i watched the Villa replay every goal Brentford got had players loose without a marker, totally unacceptable. We have to be more hard nosed and play to get the result.
This.
We were all over the place once the first went in.
I'm not a massive Carlos fan, but Torres was worse than him today. I thought he was supposed to be a calm, elegant player? He was fucking flimsy and looked like he'd never played centre half in his life.
I still like the look of us going forward when we go for it, though. All that sideways passing and patient build up, despite the rewards it's brought us, can be fucking boring at times.
We'll just have to beat Arsenal instead.
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I watched some of the Arsenal game, they went 2-0 up and then stacked their defence. When i watched the Villa replay every goal Brentford got had players loose without a marker, totally unacceptable. We have to be more hard nosed and play to get the result.
This.
We were all over the place once the first went in.
I'm not a massive Carlos fan, but Torres was worse than him today. I thought he was supposed to be a calm, elegant player? He was fucking flimsy and looked like he'd never played centre half in his life.
I still like the look of us going forward when we go for it, though. All that sideways passing and patient build up, despite the rewards it's brought us, can be fucking boring at times.
We'll just have to beat Arsenal instead.
We are getting nothing from that game apart from a slap down.
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I’m not A Carlos fan either. And I know I am in a tiny minority, but haven’t been that convinced by Torres either.
I don’t think he’s a particularly good defender, is poor in the air and has no pace.
It’s widely reported how wonderful his distribution is, but I’m convinced he gives the ball away as many times as he is successful.
It’s almost like we have to believe he is the second coming of McGrath, just because everyone wants him to be.
Our best CH pairing, when fit, is Mings and Konsa.
By a country mile.
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We should not be losing a 2-goal advantage against anyone at home, but especially Brentford. Sad to say that was Ezri's worst defensive performance in some time, as soon as Reguilon pushed forward he lost him every time contributing to 2 of their goals. Pau also looked rusty. I actually thought Diego did quite well and handled their physicality pretty well.
Special mention for Luiz's stupidity to get the suspending yellow.
Special special mention for the ref who only appeared to be calling things in favour of Brentford.
Weird that you say that about the ref, because I thought he gave us pretty much everything in the first half.
I thought he was just generally poor for both teams overall. I've seen worse, though.
Obviously the constant surrounding him and arguing with him by Brentford did the trick because in the second half he gave them everything.
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I watched some of the Arsenal game, they went 2-0 up and then stacked their defence. When i watched the Villa replay every goal Brentford got had players loose without a marker, totally unacceptable. We have to be more hard nosed and play to get the result.
This.
We were all over the place once the first went in.
I'm not a massive Carlos fan, but Torres was worse than him today. I thought he was supposed to be a calm, elegant player? He was fucking flimsy and looked like he'd never played centre half in his life.
I still like the look of us going forward when we go for it, though. All that sideways passing and patient build up, despite the rewards it's brought us, can be fucking boring at times.
We'll just have to beat Arsenal instead.
Torres looks like he is playing with an injury.
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A defence that works would be nice. We ship a shocking number of goals.
We really do. I am surprised by that because my impression of UE when he joined us was of a slightly defensively minded manager that built his sides on defensive discipline. And it sort of felt that way in his first season here too.
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I have been critical but in clear daylight I never expected to get where we are so quickly, I suspect that is the owners reasoning too. I looked at Man city's bench and the players they were resting, oh for that luxury.
Not sure how Emerys going to handle the squad, we are undermanned for sure with limited options.
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A defence that works would be nice. We ship a shocking number of goals.
We really do. I am surprised by that because my impression of UE when he joined us was of a slightly defensively minded manager that built his sides on defensive discipline. And it sort of felt that way in his first season here too.
Our midfield is part of the problem and we are missing Kamara as he is excellent at covering space, intercepting and being available to receive and play the ball.
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When is Cash back? Next week by any chance? Don't fancy Konsa against Saka.
Martinelli or Trossard ...
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When is Cash back? Next week by any chance? Don't fancy Konsa against Saka.
Martinelli or Trossard ...
Or my Gran.
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We should not be losing a 2-goal advantage against anyone at home, but especially Brentford. Sad to say that was Ezri's worst defensive performance in some time, as soon as Reguilon pushed forward he lost him every time contributing to 2 of their goals. Pau also looked rusty. I actually thought Diego did quite well and handled their physicality pretty well.
Special mention for Luiz's stupidity to get the suspending yellow.
Special special mention for the ref who only appeared to be calling things in favour of Brentford.
Weird that you say that about the ref, because I thought he gave us pretty much everything in the first half.
I thought he was just generally poor for both teams overall. I've seen worse, though.
He could have given them a pen after 30 seconds after that Bailey lunge on Regillon. I've seen them given . He was a shaky ref but aren't they all these days .
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We should not be losing a 2-goal advantage against anyone at home, but especially Brentford. Sad to say that was Ezri's worst defensive performance in some time, as soon as Reguilon pushed forward he lost him every time contributing to 2 of their goals. Pau also looked rusty. I actually thought Diego did quite well and handled their physicality pretty well.
Special mention for Luiz's stupidity to get the suspending yellow.
Special special mention for the ref who only appeared to be calling things in favour of Brentford.
Weird that you say that about the ref, because I thought he gave us pretty much everything in the first half.
I thought he was just generally poor for both teams overall. I've seen worse, though.
He could have given them a pen after 30 seconds after that Bailey lunge on Regillon. I've seen them given . He was a shaky ref but aren't they all these days .
The amount of times he lower them to surround and badger him in the first half without doing anything was alarming. Even when he gave them the decision they deminstrated, they are a horrible outfit and the ref needed to be a lot stronger.
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Another thing we need to bear in mind is that FFP is doing exactly its job. Teams like us and Newcastle have money to spend but can’t and have been decimated by injuries. We went into the season light and have had so many injuries to important players.
I am less worried about whether we finish fourth or fifth then whether we get UCL. That’s the main thing - it would give us a huge financial boost - plus it would be something that I never thought I would see Villa achieve.
I think to not get UCL would be gutting as it’s unlikely we’ll get another chance quite as good - as Chelsea and Man Utd won’t always have bad seasons.
I know it seems a bit small time but just seeing UCL at villa park would be amazing and I think unlikely to happen again - at least as long as the game is rigged in the favour of the established UCL teams
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I'm the same, getting champions league will be massive for us. I don't care if it's 4th or 5th.
If we don't, we possibly have to sell a player we don't want to, likely strengthening the teams we'll be trying to finish above next season. Chelsea won't be this bad next year.
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I had to go out at half time. I note that we're still Aston Villa.
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We won't be this bad again next season either, it's just whether anybody improves and strengthens more than we do. I still think, 9 mad minutes aside, we're capable of getting 4 wins from Palace, Brighton, Chelsea and Bournemouth. Maybe Liverpool of its all over. Next week will be tough, although making that demonstrative twerp cry would be equal parts great and hilarious. That's more than enough for 5th and ought to be enough for 4th.
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Another thing we need to bear in mind is that FFP is doing exactly its job. Teams like us and Newcastle have money to spend but can’t and have been decimated by injuries. We went into the season light and have had so many injuries to important players.
I am less worried about whether we finish fourth or fifth then whether we get UCL. That’s the main thing - it would give us a huge financial boost - plus it would be something that I never thought I would see Villa achieve.
I think to not get UCL would be gutting as it’s unlikely we’ll get another chance quite as good - as Chelsea and Man Utd won’t always have bad seasons.
I know it seems a bit small time but just seeing UCL at villa park would be amazing and I think unlikely to happen again - at least as long as the game is rigged in the favour of the established UCL teams
What do you think FFPs job is? If it’s to keep the status quo and lock out teams then it really isn’t. 14 of the 20 teams voted for it. The problem is it’s been badly devised, should be run by an independent adjudicator with specific guidelines on punishments and, somehow, needs to figure out a way to account for the fact that the horse has already bolted on the Super League 6. That’s the difficult bit.
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What a daft spell that may cost us dear, completely in control for all but a 15 minute spell, how we managed to let a team who showed as little ambition as I've seen, score three goals, I'll never know. Utterly inept, and then back to being in complete control.
Really thought we should have made subs earlier, Duran, Kessler and Tim on.
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Another thing we need to bear in mind is that FFP is doing exactly its job. Teams like us and Newcastle have money to spend but can’t and have been decimated by injuries. We went into the season light and have had so many injuries to important players.
I am less worried about whether we finish fourth or fifth then whether we get UCL. That’s the main thing - it would give us a huge financial boost - plus it would be something that I never thought I would see Villa achieve.
I think to not get UCL would be gutting as it’s unlikely we’ll get another chance quite as good - as Chelsea and Man Utd won’t always have bad seasons.
I know it seems a bit small time but just seeing UCL at villa park would be amazing and I think unlikely to happen again - at least as long as the game is rigged in the favour of the established UCL teams
What do you think FFPs job is? If it’s to keep the status quo and lock out teams then it really isn’t. 14 of the 20 teams voted for it. The problem is it’s been badly devised, should be run by an independent adjudicator with specific guidelines on punishments and, somehow, needs to figure out a way to account for the fact that the horse has already bolted on the Super League 6. That’s the difficult bit.
Well it seems to have been devised to keep the status quo. Taking account of financial measurement that best suit the established 6 and like you say - only handing punishments to those outside the 6.
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Another thing we need to bear in mind is that FFP is doing exactly its job. Teams like us and Newcastle have money to spend but can’t and have been decimated by injuries. We went into the season light and have had so many injuries to important players.
I am less worried about whether we finish fourth or fifth then whether we get UCL. That’s the main thing - it would give us a huge financial boost - plus it would be something that I never thought I would see Villa achieve.
I think to not get UCL would be gutting as it’s unlikely we’ll get another chance quite as good - as Chelsea and Man Utd won’t always have bad seasons.
I know it seems a bit small time but just seeing UCL at villa park would be amazing and I think unlikely to happen again - at least as long as the game is rigged in the favour of the established UCL teams
What do you think FFPs job is? If it’s to keep the status quo and lock out teams then it really isn’t. 14 of the 20 teams voted for it. The problem is it’s been badly devised, should be run by an independent adjudicator with specific guidelines on punishments and, somehow, needs to figure out a way to account for the fact that the horse has already bolted on the Super League 6. That’s the difficult bit.
It really was designed to maintain the status quo & ensure there is not another Man City buying (cheating) their way in…the fact Chelsea & Newton Heath have imploded is not because of FFP it is because of incompetence on their behalf. It is definitely run badly and the punishments are desperately weak.
14 of the 20 voted for it because there are a raft of clubs who are happy to finish 7-16th every year and bank the cash….& will vote with the flow. We were one of those clubs in reality for many seasons
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Are we not just last year’s Arsenal albeit at a slightly lower level?
They have clearly learnt from last season’s experience as one would hope Villa will.
I was thinking the same myself, next season is going to tell us an awful lot about where our ceiling is.
Was also thinking the first part of the season was like a fun rollercoaster for the players, and then as soon as we were talked about in terms of the title race it was like, this ride is too scary, I want to get off.
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Are we not just last year’s Arsenal albeit at a slightly lower level?
They have clearly learnt from last season’s experience as one would hope Villa will.
I was thinking the same myself, next season is going to tell us an awful lot about where our ceiling is.
Was also thinking the first part of the season was like a fun rollercoaster for the players, and then as soon as we were talked about in terms of the title race it was like, this ride is too scary, I want to get off.
The thing is we’re treading a much finer line, which is why Champs League is so important. FFP wise keeping our players will be more tricky, and also we aren’t going to be able to spend £100m on a new centre mid which has made a huge difference to their resilience.
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After vowing to stay away from the match threads for mental reasons I can see I made the right choice yesterday. Some very rational comments but the toxicity from others just seems to stoke people up. Having watched the game it wasn’t as bad as the comments made it sound and to actually get a point from that situation shows some character. It’s frustrating in the moment to see the team make mistakes but moaning and spitting the dummy out surely just exacerbates it. Somebody mentioned Mark Goodridge?!? The other night who I wasn’t aware of until I google him. I watched and although it did make me smile I also found it quite disturbing that I may act like that when watching.
Anyway after the result I stayed away and let things settle. Things really aren’t that bad considering the progress we’ve made since UE arrived, 4th would be amazing but maybe that might be a step too far with the squad we have. God knows what the comments would be like if we qualified and had a season like Newcastle. I’d gladly take a smaller step forward from last season if it meant we got stronger overall.
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I had to go out at half time. I note that we're still Aston Villa.
I’m kind of with you, but we didn’t lose 4-2. Which is what I’d expect of a proper Villa bed shitting.
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After vowing to stay away from the match threads for mental reasons I can see I made the right choice yesterday. Some very rational comments but the toxicity from others just seems to stoke people up. Having watched the game it wasn’t as bad as the comments made it sound and to actually get a point from that situation shows some character. It’s frustrating in the moment to see the team make mistakes but moaning and spitting the dummy out surely just exacerbates it. Somebody mentioned Mark Goodridge?!? The other night who I wasn’t aware of until I google him. I watched and although it did make me smile I also found it quite disturbing that I may act like that when watching.
Anyway after the result I stayed away and let things settle. Things really aren’t that bad considering the progress we’ve made since UE arrived, 4th would be amazing but maybe that might be a step too far with the squad we have. God knows what the comments would be like if we qualified and had a season like Newcastle. I’d gladly take a smaller step forward from last season if it meant we got stronger overall.
That’s fair the only point I’d make it that the smaller step to a stronger position overall is far from a guarantee, especially with the FFP situation. It might be this is the opportunity and if we miss it that’s potentially it. We don’t know, but my gut feel is we need it now to consolidate our position.
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After vowing to stay away from the match threads for mental reasons I can see I made the right choice yesterday. Some very rational comments but the toxicity from others just seems to stoke people up. Having watched the game it wasn’t as bad as the comments made it sound and to actually get a point from that situation shows some character. It’s frustrating in the moment to see the team make mistakes but moaning and spitting the dummy out surely just exacerbates it. Somebody mentioned Mark Goodridge?!? The other night who I wasn’t aware of until I google him. I watched and although it did make me smile I also found it quite disturbing that I may act like that when watching.
Anyway after the result I stayed away and let things settle. Things really aren’t that bad considering the progress we’ve made since UE arrived, 4th would be amazing but maybe that might be a step too far with the squad we have. God knows what the comments would be like if we qualified and had a season like Newcastle. I’d gladly take a smaller step forward from last season if it meant we got stronger overall.
That’s fair the only point I’d make it that the smaller step to a stronger position overall is far from a guarantee, especially with the FFP situation. It might be this is the opportunity and if we miss it that’s potentially it. We don’t know, but my gut feel is we need it now to consolidate our position.
My thoughts too. I don't get the smaller steps argument. You finish fourth, play mid week and get a boatload of money, or get europa, play Thursday/Sunday and get less money, and rather than strengthen the team we'd possibly have to weaken it due to ffp. Why would anyone prefer that?
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Surely that's the final nail in the Konsa RB experiment coffin. We need him back in the middle alongside Torres so we can eliminate this keystone cops defending which is embarrassing. Play KKH at RB until Cash is back
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Spot on, life is all about taking advantage of opportunities when they present themselves - miss this one and we might look back in a decades time at some of the examples since December where we let ourselves down (Manure away, Spuds at home, yesterday) and think "if only"
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After vowing to stay away from the match threads for mental reasons I can see I made the right choice yesterday. Some very rational comments but the toxicity from others just seems to stoke people up. Having watched the game it wasn’t as bad as the comments made it sound and to actually get a point from that situation shows some character. It’s frustrating in the moment to see the team make mistakes but moaning and spitting the dummy out surely just exacerbates it. Somebody mentioned Mark Goodridge?!? The other night who I wasn’t aware of until I google him. I watched and although it did make me smile I also found it quite disturbing that I may act like that when watching.
Anyway after the result I stayed away and let things settle. Things really aren’t that bad considering the progress we’ve made since UE arrived, 4th would be amazing but maybe that might be a step too far with the squad we have. God knows what the comments would be like if we qualified and had a season like Newcastle. I’d gladly take a smaller step forward from last season if it meant we got stronger overall.
That’s fair the only point I’d make it that the smaller step to a stronger position overall is far from a guarantee, especially with the FFP situation. It might be this is the opportunity and if we miss it that’s potentially it. We don’t know, but my gut feel is we need it now to consolidate our position.
Sorry, but I just don't quite see how being in the Champions League is going to massively impact on FFP situation unless we are in it on a regular basis. One season in it would help the current 3 year FFP cycle, but surely we would have to be in it on a regular basis for it to have a big impact?
Of course it would be great to be in it next season and I hope we can get there.
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If we qualify for the UCL then the commercial team can fill their Boots negotiating better longer contracts with sponsors so it would help for that regardless of qualifying again next season .
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Spot on, life is all about taking advantage of opportunities when they present themselves - miss this one and we might look back in a decades time at some of the examples since December where we let ourselves down (Manure away, Spuds at home, yesterday) and think "if only"
Never mind the 18 occasions so far we have taken opportunities when presented this season.
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MOTD correctly highlighted both Carlos and Torres terrible positional sense for both Goals but I thought Konsa was really poor. He didn't seem to make any attempt to stop the ball coming in for 2 of the goals and he should have tucked in for the first goal as Lucas Digne had ended up at right back for their first goal.
Konsa is a top central defender but is not good enough at this level to play right back. Carlos has his moments but has mainly been disappointing. I'm a massive fan of Torres but off the ball he needs to sharpen up, When he is partnered with a proper central defender he is far more comfortable.
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Right, but that’s heavily weighted to the first half of the season isn’t it? That was an incredible run and we were brilliant, but since the turn of the year it’s been a lot more shaky. Clearly there are a number of factors involved in that, but it’d be a shame to let it slip.
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I think Carlos 'looks' like a good defender as he's strong and pulls off last ditch tackles, he did it a few times yesterday. But better defenders don't need to make those tackles as they would have seen the danger earlier and positioned themselves better for getting in an earlier block or interception. I make him perfectly acceptable for a back up centre half.
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The other thing we are starting to find out is which players can play under top end pressure at the business end of the season. It's new territory for them all. (Bar Martinez) .
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Spot on, life is all about taking advantage of opportunities when they present themselves - miss this one and we might look back in a decades time at some of the examples since December where we let ourselves down (Manure away, Spuds at home, yesterday) and think "if only"
Maybe some of us want to enjoy the good times while we are experiencing them? We spent the MON years wanting more and then ending up in the Championship would have given a left arm to go back to the days of being top 6.
I want to enjoy us challenging at the top end of the table this time rather than spending it wishing we were third or whatever.
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I was more on about the squads strength in depth with qualifying for the Champions league. I guess though any European Qualification will stress the squad anyway. The FFP situation is beyond my comprehension, I struggle with that kind of thing so just rely on other peoples perceptions/explanations. I think the main point was was trying to highlight though is that watching the game whilst following a thread when things don’t go quite to plan usually results in upset and or catastrophising. Looking at other forums it’s no different and to me proves to be quite cathartic.
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Spot on, life is all about taking advantage of opportunities when they present themselves - miss this one and we might look back in a decades time at some of the examples since December where we let ourselves down (Manure away, Spuds at home, yesterday) and think "if only"
Maybe some of us want to enjoy the good times while we are experiencing them? We spent the MON years wanting more and then ending up in the Championship would have given a left arm to go back to the days of being top 6.
I want to enjoy us challenging at the top end of the table this time rather than spending it wishing we were third or whatever.
Spot on, I think these sentiments are only recognised by many after the dust has settled. I see a mix on here,a few who remain positive, a lot of knee jerk reaction(myself included, that’s why came off on match days) and some that keep quiet. That’s a forum though I guess, would be pretty dull if everybody had the same thoughts. It’s very interesting to sit back and pick these dynamics up and realise where you sit 😂
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Whatever happens between now and the end of the season we’ve progressed massively since relegation and indeed since UE took reign.
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Right, but that’s heavily weighted to the first half of the season isn’t it? That was an incredible run and we were brilliant, but since the turn of the year it’s been a lot more shaky. Clearly there are a number of factors involved in that, but it’d be a shame to let it slip.
If this end of the season was as heavily weighted as the first half of the season, we’d be winning the league. Emery has worked wonders, but that would of been literally a miracle from where Gerard left us.
It will be disappointing not to get 4th if (still a big if) it doesn’t happen, but 4th or 5th is a big leap from 7th last year, which in itself was a big leap from where we had been for like ever.
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Whatever happens between now and the end of the season we’ve progressed massively since relegation and indeed since UE took reign.
Absolutely, its an amazing turnaround, but it’s still going to be disappointing if we don’t get CL this season.
A combination of injuries and fatigue has done for us but we know Emery will be doing everything to make this season a success.
I do wonder if attention now focuses on the Conference.
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Whatever happens between now and the end of the season we’ve progressed massively since relegation and indeed since UE took reign.
Absolutely, its an amazing turnaround, but it’s still going to be disappointing if we don’t get CL this season.
A combination of injuries and fatigue has done for us but we know Emery will be doing everything to make this season a success.
I do wonder if attention now focuses on the Conference.
Unless we have a collapse and man utd somehow go on a a run, which will hopefully be champions league. But Thursday does seem huge.
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16 goals conceded in our last 6 home games. Whatever we are doing at the back it's not working. He needs to change it. Starting with Konsa being moved back in to his best position.
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Whatever happens between now and the end of the season we’ve progressed massively since relegation and indeed since UE took reign.
We have but we have invested heavily and are paying top wages nowadays so whilst we are slightly overachieving (i'd say 7th is our true position ) we would also have expected a big upturn given the investments .
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I watched some of the Arsenal game, they went 2-0 up and then stacked their defence. When i watched the Villa replay every goal Brentford got had players loose without a marker, totally unacceptable. We have to be more hard nosed and play to get the result.
Kamara is a huge miss in that regard as he has the nous to drop in with the CBs when we're winning which is why our record of closing out games was so good in the first half of the season.
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16 goals conceded in our last 6 home games. Whatever we are doing at the back it's not working. He needs to change it. Starting with Konsa being moved back in to his best position.
Amen to this .
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16 goals conceded in our last 6 home games. Whatever we are doing at the back it's not working. He needs to change it. Starting with Konsa being moved back in to his best position.
Amen to this .
andwho plays RB?
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16 goals conceded in our last 6 home games. Whatever we are doing at the back it's not working. He needs to change it. Starting with Konsa being moved back in to his best position.
Amen to this .
andwho plays RB?
Won't Cash be back for Arsenal? The injury was 2-3 weeks so that's when he picked it up for Poland so can see him being in contention for Bournemouth if next week comes a little too early.
Emery will have no qualms about leaving Konsa at RB for that one given against Martinelli. Think Lenglet comes back in as perhaps he was ill yesterday not being involved?
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16 goals conceded in our last 6 home games. Whatever we are doing at the back it's not working. He needs to change it. Starting with Konsa being moved back in to his best position.
Amen to this .
andwho plays RB?
Won't Cash be back for Arsenal? The injury was 2-3 weeks so that's when he picked it up for Poland so can see him being in contention for Bournemouth if next week comes a little too early.
Emery will have no qualms about leaving Konsa at RB for that one given against Martinelli. Think Lenglet comes back in as perhaps he was ill yesterday not being involved?
Based on player injury predictions I doubt if we se him again this season.
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I think Carlos 'looks' like a good defender as he's strong and pulls off last ditch tackles, he did it a few times yesterday. But better defenders don't need to make those tackles as they would have seen the danger earlier and positioned themselves better for getting in an earlier block or interception. I make him perfectly acceptable for a back up centre half.
My big issue with him is with FFP such an issue he was too expensive with no resell value and high wages and worse than what we had already
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After vowing to stay away from the match threads for mental reasons I can see I made the right choice yesterday. Some very rational comments but the toxicity from others just seems to stoke people up. Having watched the game it wasn’t as bad as the comments made it sound and to actually get a point from that situation shows some character. It’s frustrating in the moment to see the team make mistakes but moaning and spitting the dummy out surely just exacerbates it. Somebody mentioned Mark Goodridge?!? The other night who I wasn’t aware of until I google him. I watched and although it did make me smile I also found it quite disturbing that I may act like that when watching.
Anyway after the result I stayed away and let things settle. Things really aren’t that bad considering the progress we’ve made since UE arrived, 4th would be amazing but maybe that might be a step too far with the squad we have. God knows what the comments would be like if we qualified and had a season like Newcastle. I’d gladly take a smaller step forward from last season if it meant we got stronger overall.
Why would anyone go into a match thread after the game has ended. Unless they were purposely looking to get outraged/ score better fan than you points. Sad.
Match threads exist for a very specific reason.
Any toxicity, tantrums or tiaras there won't be impacting on the atmosphere at Villa Park, Emery's team selection, the cost of diesel or anything else in the real world.
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Whatever happens between now and the end of the season we’ve progressed massively since relegation and indeed since UE took reign.
We have but we have invested heavily and are paying top wages nowadays so whilst we are slightly overachieving (i'd say 7th is our true position ) we would also have expected a big upturn given the investments .
I think I saw a table last week showing us as 7th highest wage bill, which is usually a fair indicator of squad strength, and thus probably final position in the league.
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I think Carlos 'looks' like a good defender as he's strong and pulls off last ditch tackles, he did it a few times yesterday. But better defenders don't need to make those tackles as they would have seen the danger earlier and positioned themselves better for getting in an earlier block or interception. I make him perfectly acceptable for a back up centre half.
My big issue with him is with FFP such an issue he was too expensive with no resell value and high wages and worse than what we had already
He looked Gerrard in the eye though.
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Just watched motd and our defending for that 10 minute spell was as bad as it gets. The positiong of Carlos and Pau was amateurish for all three goals. And Konsas piss poor attempts at stopping the cross for their 2nd and 3rd goals is totally unacceptable. There needs to be some long hard hours at BH working out what the hell has gone wrong and it has to be sorted or all the hard work this season thus far will be for nothing.
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The one person who wouldn't be happy with the argument that we should be happy with our lot is Unai Emery.
I was furious yesterday because it was a slipped opportunity from our own hand.
But, I can also recognise there are possible reasons for some of the drop off recently.
And, I can also recognise that we have made huge strides, have the best man in charge & we are having a wonderful season.
I can never understand why everything has to be so 100% black or 100% white.
The truth more often lays in the grey area...
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Indeed.
The posters who may or may not be perma glass half empty-types are prob right that we seem determined to piss away another golden opportunity.
The ones who say we're doing well just to be where we are with more injuries than the Somme are also right.
Continuing to stress either point when faced with variations of the opposing POV won't conclude the argument.
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After vowing to stay away from the match threads for mental reasons I can see I made the right choice yesterday. Some very rational comments but the toxicity from others just seems to stoke people up. Having watched the game it wasn’t as bad as the comments made it sound and to actually get a point from that situation shows some character. It’s frustrating in the moment to see the team make mistakes but moaning and spitting the dummy out surely just exacerbates it. Somebody mentioned Mark Goodridge?!? The other night who I wasn’t aware of until I google him. I watched and although it did make me smile I also found it quite disturbing that I may act like that when watching.
Anyway after the result I stayed away and let things settle. Things really aren’t that bad considering the progress we’ve made since UE arrived, 4th would be amazing but maybe that might be a step too far with the squad we have. God knows what the comments would be like if we qualified and had a season like Newcastle. I’d gladly take a smaller step forward from last season if it meant we got stronger overall.
Why would anyone go into a match thread after the game has ended. Unless they were purposely looking to get outraged/ score better fan than you points. Sad.
Match threads exist for a very specific reason.
Any toxicity, tantrums or tiaras there won't be impacting on the atmosphere at Villa Park, Emery's team selection, the cost of diesel or anything else in the real world.
I didn’t mention going into the thread after? Also I’m sorry but I don’t understand this part ‘ outraged/ score better fan than you points. Sad.’
I sort of get it and I’m not on about scoring fan points or who has better fans. The main focus in my post is that negativity during the match thread when the match is in play is pointless but I can understand why people do it. That’s why I stay away?
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Yesterday reminded me of the Wolves horror show in Oct 21, thankfully thanks to us having at the moment probably the best striker in the league, it didn't turnout quite so badly, nevertheless a needless 2 points dropped against a team in very poor form and with their best player on the bench. The big plus I thought was Rogers, a beautifully taken goal and seems to be improving with every match.
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I was thinking yesterday after their third goal that whist it is great to have a Rolls-Royce, sometimes you need a battered old Land Rover to complete the journey when the going gets tough.
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I think what we were crying out for was a change to get someone onto the right who was going to overlap, Konsa was never going to so that making it easy for them to double up on Bailey.
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Momentum can be a strange thing in games. They had none and then they score from a scuffed cross that leads to an airshot fluke and suddenly they have it. And so for only the second time this season we drop points from a winning position.
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Yesterday was a game we desperately needed kamara
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Fair play to DorsetVilla (sic?) and all the other south-coasters who regularly make the trek up to Villa Park of a weekend.
Trains yesterday were shit, I was about to give-up/give away my ticket yesterday morning when I saw a host of cancellations but decided to persevere. There was a "land slip" near one station meaning north and southbound tracks had to share the same line.
I counted 12 different train/tube changes and a taxi for my return trip yesterday.
I took my seat as Luiz wasted a free-kick on the 18th minute mark, only getting into New Street in time for a train headed to Walsall at 3pm. Had my pick of seats, one of those moments in life where you're feeling frantic but everyone around you seems subdued. At least there was little human traffic upon alighting at Witton.
Legged it up Witton Lane but I hadn't missed much by the sounds of it. Great view in the Upper Holte for our 2nd and 3rd goals but was a bit dazed and confused by the end and stayed seated til 5pm. Met Olof's Beard for a drink near New Street for an hour or so. Got back ho(m)ve at 01.30am.
Think I'll leave my VP record this season as it is (wins over Palace, Wham and Arsenal and the draw yesterday - just realising that they're all London clubs) and hopefully come back after the summer, but probably have to make it an overnight trip. Maybe I should take myself off the season-ticket waiting-list...
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One disappointing aspect of our play yesterday was the lack of any inventiveness with our corner kicks. We had 11 in all, and pretty much all of them seemed to be just floated into the 6 yard box, giving catching practice to their keeper. That's not like us.
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Although Dorset Villa I've recently moved to West Wales. About the same distance but a bit longer journey. I'm very another season ticket holder near me so we travel up together most games. I was on my own yesterday but still meet the Bournemouth Lions in the Villa Tavern. Four cars up from Bournemouth yesterday. My solo journey home was not enjoyable after that 9 minute madness. Still gutted now. Need a response on Thursday...UTV
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The other thing we are starting to find out is which players can play under top end pressure at the business end of the season. It's new territory for them all. (Bar Martinez) .
This probably the most important point and is also hinted at by Watkins with his comment about acting like a big team. We have a few out although it was a strong 1st eleven yesterday, and I’d argue Kamara is the only one we really miss and can’t replace.
Emery really needs all his man-management skills to get the squad over the line and keep their self-belief in the coming weeks.
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Liverpool shit their pants agai st Sheffield United for a big chunk. It happens, especially in April. We have to find a way, like Luton. We will. Believe.
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Are you still confident of top 4 Ads? I think that 9 minutes yesterday will be a defining moment in our season which is a shame considering how brilliant it's been. I'm just trying to imagine a close second leg in Europe away in Lille..
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Momentum can be a strange thing in games. They had none and then they score from a scuffed cross that leads to an airshot fluke and suddenly they have it. And so for only the second time this season we drop points from a winning position.
Second time? Don’t be silly Ped, haven’t you been reading? We do it all the time!
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As disappointing as the final result was given where we were in the game it’s also important to appreciate we are still in a very good position to secure 5th at least and are doing all this while in the QF of a European competition, all while our squad is significantly depleted. It’s still one hell of an achievement. It’s stretching us massively and at times it really shows.
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It’s our job to get behind the team.
Unai is working miracles with the resources available.
We have to be right behind them to help them over the line.
I appreciate it’s difficult when you experience something like yesterday but the team and the manager have been superb for going on the last year and half.
Sing your hearts out for the lads UTV
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Are you still confident of top 4 Ads? I think that 9 minutes yesterday will be a defining moment in our season which is a shame considering how brilliant it's been. I'm just trying to imagine a close second leg in Europe away in Lille..
This is Ads foresight
Premier League, FA Cup, Europa Conference League
8th
Last 16
4th round
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we'd all have snapped anyone's hand off to be where we are at this stage. 4th in April with a chance of a European Trophy.
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After the Man Utd home defeat "We've blown our chances"
After Tottenham at home "That's it...the season's over"
Brentford home draw "That's the defining moment...we're not going to do it now".
Didn't a wise man once say "Do you want to bet against us?"
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we'd all have snapped anyone's hand off to be where we are at this stage. 4th in April with a chance of a European Trophy.
Well said
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we'd all have snapped anyone's hand off to be where we are at this stage. 4th in April with a chance of a European Trophy.
We would. Makes sense that expectations may change though.
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Are you still confident of top 4 Ads? I think that 9 minutes yesterday will be a defining moment in our season which is a shame considering how brilliant it's been. I'm just trying to imagine a close second leg in Europe away in Lille..
I'm hopeful. Top 5 would probably do it. Watching the Liverpool game with far too much involvement, reminds me of the Lambert era, but for very different reasons!
Blow Lille away next Thursday, cigars out for the 2nd en route to the semi final.
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Ollie is absolutely spot on in his assessment. The mentality for where we are and what we want to be isn't there right now. We're 2-0 up in the second half against a side barely avoiding relegation. We've got to close the game down at that point
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In the near 12 months since the bonkers home game against Arsenal our record in league games we've led in is
W28 D3 L1.
It doesn't strike me as a massive issue.
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In the near 12 months since the bonkers home game against Arsenal our record in league games we've led in is
W28 D3 L1.
It doesn't strike me as a massive issue.
Right but the issue isn’t primarily surrendering leads. It’s more that when teams put pressure on us we fold really easily. On a few occasions that’s resulted in surrendering a lead, where sometimes we’ve managed to recover, but it’s also resulted it some very comfortable wins for the opposition. It’s that weakness under stress that’s the problem.
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If Liverpool do lose today we're 1st for fewest points dropped from a winning position this season.
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If Liverpool do lose today we're 1st for fewest points dropped from a winning position this season.
File under 'Scant Consolation'.
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If Liverpool do lose today we're 1st for fewest points dropped from a winning position this season.
But i bet we are top from losing a 2 goal lead
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Or file under what people are making a big issue of isn't actually much of an issue for the last 12 months.
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If Liverpool do lose today we're 1st for fewest points dropped from a winning position this season.
But i bet we are top from losing a 2 goal lead
We have dropped four points from a winning position. So why do you decide you want to make us worse on a very specific subset?
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If Liverpool do lose today we're 1st for fewest points dropped from a winning position this season.
But i bet we are top from losing a 2 goal lead
We've not won after leading by 2 twice under Emery. Twice in 73 games is hardly a regular occurence.
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Or file under what people are making a big issue of isn't actually much of an issue for the last 12 months.
I wasn't one of the people overreacting to yesterday's game, far from it. But given the choice between being top of that 'table' or Liverpool winning 3-2 today, I'd choose the latter.
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It was more to show how few points we drop compared to everyone else. I want Liverpool to win, and if they do we'll be second in that particular league.
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For me it's more the manner in which we drop points, from any position, that rankles.
An evenly matched 3-2 loss isn't as bad as when we just seem to switch off entirely and concede a bunch of terrible goals. Yesterday's was particularly bad, 3 in 9 minutes.
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I’m not A Carlos fan either. And I know I am in a tiny minority, but haven’t been that convinced by Torres either.
I don’t think he’s a particularly good defender, is poor in the air and has no pace.
It’s widely reported how wonderful his distribution is, but I’m convinced he gives the ball away as many times as he is successful.
It’s almost like we have to believe he is the second coming of McGrath, just because everyone wants him to be.
Our best CH pairing, when fit, is Mings and Konsa.
By a country mile.
Absolutely spot on.
Just shows how well we’ve done this season.
But to progress then I don’t see how Carlos and Torres add anything.
I assume they’re on big wages and with FFP in mind then something might have to give.
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See I think Pau is a good defender, he showed it in our good run. But for whatever reason he’s struggling since his injury.
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He has a pass success rate of 87% in the league and 91% in Europe. He does not give the ball away as much as he is successful. He's a fantastic player and part of the reason we're doing so well. It's mind blowing that there's an alternative opinion to that.
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He can be got at physically and is a little slow on the ball. So his Hollywood passes need to be maintained.
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In the near 12 months since the bonkers home game against Arsenal our record in league games we've led in is
W28 D3 L1.
It doesn't strike me as a massive issue.
Right but the issue isn’t primarily surrendering leads. It’s more that when teams put pressure on us we fold really easily. On a few occasions that’s resulted in surrendering a lead, where sometimes we’ve managed to recover, but it’s also resulted it some very comfortable wins for the opposition. It’s that weakness under stress that’s the problem.
Paul, the only comfortable wins for the opposition in the entirety of Emerys 18 months, are both Man City away games, with this weeks impacted by the fact we had more than half the first team out, Newcastle away and Spurs at home. Even the Newcastle home game, Watkins was a very marginal offside from making it 2-3 and without knowing for definite, it felt like we would come back then.
We are conceding some soft goals, we miss Mings and we miss a settled defence because of all the injuries, but I think that is very different to folding. The States PWS shared, show we just don’t fold.
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Torres has lost 0.1 headers per game more than Mings did last season. 0.7 v 0.8 for Torres. Torres doesn't win as many, but that would suggest we've faced less aerial threats or he's attacked fewer. Either way, with lose less than 1 header a game.
I'm absolutely mind blown that people watch games and don't rate Torres. Bizarre doesn't cut it.
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As fans we should listen to what players and manager say. Ollie, we need to get a big boys winning mentality. Unai, I got the tactics wrong.
As for me, I don’t think we’ve played particularly well since the new year. 5th still seems quite realistic but, to be honest, I’m back to thinking, where is our next league win going to come from?
As regards the next 3 fixtures, I suspect Emery will play an under strength side again v Arsenal for what good that will ultimately do us. Will go as near full strength as possible for the Lille matches.
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Torres has lost 0.1 headers per game more than Mings did last season. 0.7 v 0.8 for Torres. Torres doesn't win as many, but that would suggest we've faced less aerial threats or he's attacked fewer. Either way, with lose less than 1 header a game.
I'm absolutely mind blown that people watch games and don't rate Torres. Bizarre doesn't cut it.
The second goal yesterday, for some bizarre reason Torres allowed it to drop without attempting to head it.
I think Torres is a very good player, but on the defensive side of his role isn't close to Mings or Konsa
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Torres has lost 0.1 headers per game more than Mings did last season. 0.7 v 0.8 for Torres. Torres doesn't win as many, but that would suggest we've faced less aerial threats or he's attacked fewer. Either way, with lose less than 1 header a game.
I'm absolutely mind blown that people watch games and don't rate Torres. Bizarre doesn't cut it.
I think Torres is one of the best defenders Ive seen play for Villa, if not anyone. I would of loved to see how him and Mings would of played together.
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Tores is great Carlos isn’t. I’d much prefer Lenglet there instead and he’s no great shakes either.
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Barely anything in it stats wise for tackles or interceptions; they have the same stats, they're just the opposite. Torres makes more tackles per game, Mings makes more interceptions. Torres is a CL level player who allows us to progress the ball so well and is a strong part of why we have 60+ goals. I like Mings and would have him over Carlos, who would be the sacrifice for me (assuming Mings is OK next season).
If we could sign a few more players of Torres level, we'll progress again, which means a title challenge.
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We've gained something like 17 points this season after the 70th minute. While it does include Luton and yesterday, it shows we actually seem to have a good mentality. Especially as 70+ mins has seen us, I think, drop only 3 points, both annonyingly were Man U. Rarely dropping points when you lead, and winning late points, strikes me as a good thing to do.
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As fans we should listen to what players and manager say. Ollie, we need to get a big boys winning mentality. Unai, I got the tactics wrong.
As for me, I don’t think we’ve played particularly well since the new year. 5th still seems quite realistic but, to be honest, I’m back to thinking, where is our next league win going to come from?
As regards the next 3 fixtures, I suspect Emery will play an under strength side again v Arsenal for what good that will ultimately do us. Will go as near full strength as possible for the Lille matches.
We beat Wolves comfortably 8 days ago, why would you be wondering where are next league win will come from. Arsenal will of course be tough, but do you really not see us have a chance against Bournemouth and Chelsea at home.
And 5th place ‘seems quite realistic’. We are 11 points ahead of man utd who are 6th. 5th at the very minimum is nailed on.
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As fans we should listen to what players and manager say. Ollie, we need to get a big boys winning mentality. Unai, I got the tactics wrong.
As for me, I don’t think we’ve played particularly well since the new year. 5th still seems quite realistic but, to be honest, I’m back to thinking, where is our next league win going to come from?
As regards the next 3 fixtures, I suspect Emery will play an under strength side again v Arsenal for what good that will ultimately do us. Will go as near full strength as possible for the Lille matches.
We beat Wolves comfortably 8 days ago, why would you be wondering where are next league win will come from. Arsenal will of course be tough, but do you really not see us have a chance against Bournemouth and Chelsea at home.
And 5th place ‘seems quite realistic’. We are 11 points ahead of man utd who are 6th. 5th at the very minimum is nailed on.
There's some really contrived stuff being posted.
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If Liverpool do lose today we're 1st for fewest points dropped from a winning position this season.
But i bet we are top from losing a 2 goal lead
We've not won after leading by 2 twice under Emery. Twice in 73 games is hardly a regular occurence.
Twice in 73 is more than enough times. It shouldnt happen period. Twice in the space of four months in my view is undefendable.
I wpuld love to know how many times this happened to emery at villareal or arsenal. Some of these players really need to grow a backbone. As the stats for me are misleading. I bet they would look very different if we look at how many times we dropped points after scoring first and then conceding.
Its all good when we keep a clean sheet but tends to go to shit after we concede.
Lets not forget we almost blew it vs forest too
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You're moaning about something that's happened twice in 73 games? Have a day off.
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Ads, I’ll bow to your opinion at the end of the season. Until then, let’s wait and see.
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In the near 12 months since the bonkers home game against Arsenal our record in league games we've led in is
W28 D3 L1.
It doesn't strike me as a massive issue.
Right but the issue isn’t primarily surrendering leads. It’s more that when teams put pressure on us we fold really easily. On a few occasions that’s resulted in surrendering a lead, where sometimes we’ve managed to recover, but it’s also resulted it some very comfortable wins for the opposition. It’s that weakness under stress that’s the problem.
Paul, the only comfortable wins for the opposition in the entirety of Emerys 18 months, are both Man City away games, with this weeks impacted by the fact we had more than half the first team out, Newcastle away and Spurs at home. Even the Newcastle home game, Watkins was a very marginal offside from making it 2-3 and without knowing for definite, it felt like we would come back then.
We are conceding some soft goals, we miss Mings and we miss a settled defence because of all the injuries, but I think that is very different to folding. The States PWS shared, show we just don’t fold.
I don’t think it is that different. Those might be aggravating factors obviously, but all of those games show a pattern of a goals scored against in a short space of time. That is a response to opposition pressure. Doesn’t mean we’re a poor side or we haven’t done really well, but regularly shipping at least 2 goals + is a problem in itself.
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I wonder if losing our defensive midfielder is part of the problem?
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If Liverpool do lose today we're 1st for fewest points dropped from a winning position this season.
But i bet we are top from losing a 2 goal lead
We've not won after leading by 2 twice under Emery. Twice in 73 games is hardly a regular occurence.
Twice in 73 is more than enough times. It shouldnt happen period. Twice in the space of four months in my view is undefendable.
I wpuld love to know how many times this happened to emery at villareal or arsenal. Some of these players really need to grow a backbone. As the stats for me are misleading. I bet they would look very different if we look at how many times we dropped points after scoring first and then conceding.
Its all good when we keep a clean sheet but tends to go to shit after we concede.
Lets not forget we almost blew it vs forest too
Jesus wept, what is wrong with you? You’re presented with stats that show the problem being presented isn’t a problem, but you still insist on it being a problem.
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17 points won v 3 points lost after the 70th min this season.
Joint 1st in the league for fewest points dropped after leading this season.
Last 32 league games we have led, W28 D3 L1.
I really don't see how anyone can think we have a mentality issue or are bottlers etc.
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Clearly it is, but it’s not just that. Some of these games were prior to his injury (from memory).
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Torres has lost 0.1 headers per game more than Mings did last season. 0.7 v 0.8 for Torres. Torres doesn't win as many, but that would suggest we've faced less aerial threats or he's attacked fewer. Either way, with lose less than 1 header a game.
I'm absolutely mind blown that people watch games and don't rate Torres. Bizarre doesn't cut it.
Agree entirely on both your Torres and Watkins assessment. It’s as if one less than stellar game blows away months of actual data.
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Completely agree on Pau. There’s a bit of myth that because he’s good on the ball he’s not a good defender. It’s not true; he’s really good at the defensive side. He’s been a bit out of form in that regard, particularly yesterday, but his level is very good.
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17 points won v 3 points lost after the 70th min this season.
Joint 1st in the league for fewest points dropped after leading this season.
Last 32 league games we have led, W28 D3 L1.
I really don't see how anyone can think we have a mentality issue or are bottlers etc.
Emery has massively improved our mentality. Where Ollie’s comment holds some water isn’t so much what we’ve done to now, but it’s now the business end of the season. This is where results are achieved or blown. We’ve not been here in a very long time as a club. The best have a culture of seeing the job through. It’s something we need to improve upon to consistently compete at the top. That doesn’t in any way recognize just how far we have come and the immense progress we have made in every single thing Emery has touched.
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You're moaning about something that's happened twice in 73 games? Have a day off.
Ads thanks for the pointless post
Instead of yourself moaning how about you actually debate the point or provide me data at how many times arsenal, liverpool, spurs or city have done it this season od answer the question i asked?
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All post on here are pointless. All human activity is ultimately pointless give that the sun will one day consume the earth.
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If Liverpool do lose today we're 1st for fewest points dropped from a winning position this season.
But i bet we are top from losing a 2 goal lead
We've not won after leading by 2 twice under Emery. Twice in 73 games is hardly a regular occurence.
Twice in 73 is more than enough times. It shouldnt happen period. Twice in the space of four months in my view is undefendable.
I wpuld love to know how many times this happened to emery at villareal or arsenal. Some of these players really need to grow a backbone. As the stats for me are misleading. I bet they would look very different if we look at how many times we dropped points after scoring first and then conceding.
Its all good when we keep a clean sheet but tends to go to shit after we concede.
Lets not forget we almost blew it vs forest too
Jesus wept, what is wrong with you? You’re presented with stats that show the problem being presented isn’t a problem, but you still insist on it being a problem.
If you think not winning from a 2 goal cushion isnt a problem then jesus wept
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I wonder if losing our defensive midfielder is part of the problem?
And having no right back in the team.
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You're moaning about something that's happened twice in 73 games? Have a day off.
Ads thanks for the pointless post
Instead of yourself moaning how about you actually debate the point or provide me data at how many times arsenal, liverpool, spurs or city have done it this season od answer the question i asked?
How about you find the data to back up your point rather than wanting other people to it for you?
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You're moaning about something that's happened twice in 73 games? Have a day off.
Ads thanks for the pointless post
Instead of yourself moaning how about you actually debate the point or provide me data at how many times arsenal, liverpool, spurs or city have done it this season od answer the question i asked?
How about you find the data to back up your point rather than wanting other people to it for you?
How about no because if people want to disgaree the point show me im wrong?
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So too lazy then.
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You're moaning about something that's happened twice in 73 games? Have a day off.
Ads thanks for the pointless post
Instead of yourself moaning how about you actually debate the point or provide me data at how many times arsenal, liverpool, spurs or city have done it this season od answer the question i asked?
What debate? You've been told, yet you're still whining.
We've taken the lead 20 times. We've won 18 games. We've dropped 5 points. Man City have dropped 10, Arsenal 9 and Liverpool 6. You could have Googled it yourself.
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Twice in 73 is more than enough times. It shouldnt happen period. Twice in the space of four months in my view is undefendable.
So something that has happened three times to Liverpool, four times to Arsenal and five times to Man City should NEVER happen to us. I just don't know if you are an absolute perfectionist OR just loves wallowing in negativity. As your posts for any other team shows, it seems to be the latter.
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Twice in 73 is more than enough times. It shouldnt happen period. Twice in the space of four months in my view is undefendable.
So something that has happened three times to Liverpool, four times to Arsenal and five times to Man City should NEVER happen to us. I just don't know if you are an absolute perfectionist OR just loves wallowing in negativity. As your posts for any other team shows, it seems to be the latter.
You'll get thanked for a pointless post, if you can decipher the typos and then asked to prove a negative.
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You're moaning about something that's happened twice in 73 games? Have a day off.
Ads thanks for the pointless post
Instead of yourself moaning how about you actually debate the point or provide me data at how many times arsenal, liverpool, spurs or city have done it this season od answer the question i asked?
What debate? You've been told, yet you're still whining.
We've taken the lead 20 times. We've won 18 games. We've dropped 5 points. Man City have dropped 10, Arsenal 9 and Liverpool 6. You could have Googled it yourself.
Stop whinging ads for gods sake
Debate the point without the complaining because you dont agree with it geez.
As i said those stats are misleading because its when we concede from a winning psoution those stats change. We tend to see out thw game whenwe dont concede. When we concede we tend to fall part
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If Liverpool do lose today we're 1st for fewest points dropped from a winning position this season.
But i bet we are top from losing a 2 goal lead
We've not won after leading by 2 twice under Emery. Twice in 73 games is hardly a regular occurence.
Twice in 73 is more than enough times. It shouldnt happen period. Twice in the space of four months in my view is undefendable.
I wpuld love to know how many times this happened to emery at villareal or arsenal. Some of these players really need to grow a backbone. As the stats for me are misleading. I bet they would look very different if we look at how many times we dropped points after scoring first and then conceding.
Its all good when we keep a clean sheet but tends to go to shit after we concede.
Lets not forget we almost blew it vs forest too
Jesus wept, what is wrong with you? You’re presented with stats that show the problem being presented isn’t a problem, but you still insist on it being a problem.
If you think not winning from a 2 goal cushion isnt a problem then jesus wept
Twice in 73 games, you’ve been told. You are talking absolute nonsense.
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You're moaning about something that's happened twice in 73 games? Have a day off.
Ads thanks for the pointless post
Instead of yourself moaning how about you actually debate the point or provide me data at how many times arsenal, liverpool, spurs or city have done it this season od answer the question i asked?
What debate? You've been told, yet you're still whining.
We've taken the lead 20 times. We've won 18 games. We've dropped 5 points. Man City have dropped 10, Arsenal 9 and Liverpool 6. You could have Googled it yourself.
Stop whinging ads for gods sake
Debate thw point without twh compalining because you dont agree with it geez.
As i said those stats are misleading because its when we concede from a winning psoution those stats change. We tend to see out thw game whenwe dont concede. When we concede we tend to fall part
Hahaha. Fucking hell.
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Twice in 73 is more than enough times. It shouldnt happen period. Twice in the space of four months in my view is undefendable.
So something that has happened three times to Liverpool, four times to Arsenal and five times to Man City should NEVER happen to us. I just don't know if you are an absolute perfectionist OR just loves wallowing in negativity. As your posts for any other team shows, it seems to be the latter.
You'll get thanked for a pointless post, if you can decipher the typos and then asked to prove a negative.
Wait so liverpool have lost three times this season from a two goal position ? Five times this season for citeh ? You sure about that ?
Twice in 73 is more than enough times. It shouldnt happen period. Twice in the space of four months in my view is undefendable.
So something that has happened three times to Liverpool, four times to Arsenal and five times to Man City should NEVER happen to us. I just don't know if you are an absolute perfectionist OR just loves wallowing in negativity. As your posts for any other team shows, it seems to be the latter.
You'll get thanked for a pointless post, if you can decipher the typos and then asked to prove a negative.
Yay another pointless post on poster post 😂
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As an aside, we’ve got some walking football on Tuesday evenings. I wonder if I could ask some of the Villa players to give us some tips? However, we do play at a slightly quicker pace than they did in the first 45 minutes of yesterday’s game.
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The stats are flashing in bright red lights in massive fucking font and you are ignoring them. That’s some going to argue to suit your agenda.
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You're not on VillaTalk now, which is a shame. I'm not sure if you're thick or trying to wind me up. We've taken the lead 20 times this season. We've won 18 of those games. Only Brentford and Man United have managed to take points off us. I'm not sure what's hard to work out from that, but you've been told 6 or 7 times.
In football, you can draw games when winning. This is where they've lost points, it's where we lost 2 of ours.
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I've proved my point with the stats, it's actually up to you to post stats that disprove them and prove your point. That's how it works.
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The stats are flashing in bright red lights in massive fucking font and you are ignoring them. That’s some going to argue to suit your agenda.
Are they? can you explain how city have lost five times this season from a two goal position when they have lost three league games all season 😂
So how are they flashing in front of me?
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Stop whinging ads for gods sake
Debate the point without the complaining because you dont agree with it geez.
As i said those stats are misleading because its when we concede from a winning psoution those stats change. We tend to see out thw game whenwe dont concede. When we concede we tend to fall part
I think my irony meter has just exploded with the first line.
SO, according to Demetri in previous posts, all season we have been conceding stupid goals, and I agree with that as we only have 6 clean sheets. As one of those was a 0-0 against Everton, we have only not conceded in 5 league games.
However, we have only dropped two matches from winning positions, but now Demetri decides that is a false statistic as we tend to see out the game when we don't concede. Which has only happened 5 times. So in the 13 games we won AND conceded, we also fell apart and dropped points?
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As an aside, we’ve got some walking football on Tuesday evenings. I wonder if I could ask some of the Villa players to give us some tips? However, we do play at a slightly quicker pace than they did in the first 45 minutes of yesterday’s game.
We were 1 nil up at half time.
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Notice how his point constantly changes as each previous one is destroyed.
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As an aside, we’ve got some walking football on Tuesday evenings. I wonder if I could ask some of the Villa players to give us some tips? However, we do play at a slightly quicker pace than they did in the first 45 minutes of yesterday’s game.
We’ve been playing this way for 18 months and things have been going pretty well.
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Notice how his point constantly changes as each previous one is destroyed.
Not the first time even this weekend he has suddenly changed his arguments after being proved wrong. I challenged him on it being out of Blues hand when they still had to play Huddersfield so he suddenly stated "it is because blues could lose the next match and they could win it."
I'm seriously considering my first ever block on this site.
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As an aside, we’ve got some walking football on Tuesday evenings. I wonder if I could ask some of the Villa players to give us some tips? However, we do play at a slightly quicker pace than they did in the first 45 minutes of yesterday’s game.
We were 1 nil up at half time.
And could/should have had a penalty plus were threatening from several corners.
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As an aside, we’ve got some walking football on Tuesday evenings. I wonder if I could ask some of the Villa players to give us some tips? However, we do play at a slightly quicker pace than they did in the first 45 minutes of yesterday’s game.
We’ve been playing this way for 18 months and things have been going pretty well.
Yeah this "tippy-tappy/geeeeet it up the park Villa" style of play has been quite helpful.
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The point around us losing points from winning positions is clearly factually wrong in terms of it being a recurring problem. Like I’ve said I think the problem is more that since the turn of the year we’ve had periods in games where we just don’t compete at all. That has cost us points, and it’s not just a bit of a drop off it’s that we pretty much stop playing. Many contributing factors, including horrible injuries, but it’s an area where we need to be better.
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Surely that's the final nail in the Konsa RB experiment coffin. We need him back in the middle alongside Torres so we can eliminate this keystone cops defending which is embarrassing. Play KKH at RB until Cash is back
I wish...but Emery has a weakness for it. Carlos is average at best and Torres, watching those goals back, that display reminded me of Mings v Bamford a few seasons back.
To be honest we bottled that yesterday. 2-0 up but playing average.. Brentford were rubbish. Get it back to 3-3 and we still should win but we fucked around.
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The point around us losing points from winning positions is clearly factually wrong in terms of it being a recurring problem. Like I’ve said I think the problem is more that since the turn of the year we’ve had periods in games where we just don’t compete at all. That has cost us points, and it’s not just a bit of a drop off it’s that we pretty much stop playing. Many contributing factors, including horrible injuries, but it’s an area where we need to be better.
Well it isn't factually wrong when it is there in black and white. Obviously it does rely on us taking the lead in the first place. So it wouldn't show the Manure home match of us dropping a point because we never took a lead. And for games like City and the recent one against Tottenham, we never took a lead. But it is still a stat that shows we are still tough enough to come out of those periods when we have those spells and get the win.
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Stop whinging ads for gods sake
Debate the point without the complaining because you dont agree with it geez.
As i said those stats are misleading because its when we concede from a winning psoution those stats change. We tend to see out thw game whenwe dont concede. When we concede we tend to fall part
I think my irony meter has just exploded with the first line.
SO, according to Demetri in previous posts, all season we have been conceding stupid goals, and I agree with that as we only have 6 clean sheets. As one of those was a 0-0 against Everton, we have only not conceded in 5 league games.
However, we have only dropped two matches from winning positions, but now Demetri decides that is a false statistic as we tend to see out the game when we don't concede. Which has only happened 5 times. So in the 13 games we won AND conceded, we also fell apart and dropped points?
Firstly my names Demitri 😁
As i said in my posts which i think you seem to have missed the point - its losing from a two goal margain and when we actually concede goals. Look at what happens when we concede in a winning position? We tend to crumble. Thats my problem
We need to more professional and seeing it out. Wven ollies alluded to that it isnt good enough in his post match so whats the big issue? Just think some posters love picking on any negative post.
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Stop whinging ads for gods sake
Debate the point without the complaining because you dont agree with it geez.
As i said those stats are misleading because its when we concede from a winning psoution those stats change. We tend to see out thw game whenwe dont concede. When we concede we tend to fall part
I think my irony meter has just exploded with the first line.
SO, according to Demetri in previous posts, all season we have been conceding stupid goals, and I agree with that as we only have 6 clean sheets. As one of those was a 0-0 against Everton, we have only not conceded in 5 league games.
However, we have only dropped two matches from winning positions, but now Demetri decides that is a false statistic as we tend to see out the game when we don't concede. Which has only happened 5 times. So in the 13 games we won AND conceded, we also fell apart and dropped points?
Firstly my names Demitri 😁
As i said in my posts which i think you seem to have missed the point - its losing from a two goal margain and when we actually concede goals. Look at what happens when we concede in a winning position? We tend to crumble. Thats my problem
We need to more professional and seeing it out. Wven ollies alluded to that it isnt good enough in his post match so whats the big issue? Just think some posters love picking on any negative post.
Your still perpetuating a point a losing from a winning position, that has been proven with stats to be largely incorrect. You really need to stop doing this as its really bloody annoying.
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If Liverpool do lose today we're 1st for fewest points dropped from a winning position this season.
But i bet we are top from losing a 2 goal lead
Losing a 2 goal lead is a great Villa tradition and my eyes water with nostalgia from remembering all of those times in my early years of supporting them in the late 70s and early 80s when that happened.
One of the first games I ever went to was at home to Spurs in I think 78-79. We were 2-0 up and looking pretty much at ease going into the last 10 minutes. It ended 2-3 and yesterday was - the fact that we had enough time to get a goal back and could even have won it in the end - horribly reminiscent of that...
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Losing a 2 goal winning margin has happened on 3 ocassions this season. We won 1 of those games, drew 1 of those games and lost 1 of those games. I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but we've lost 5 points from winning positions.
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If Liverpool do lose today we're 1st for fewest points dropped from a winning position this season.
But i bet we are top from losing a 2 goal lead
Losing a 2 goal lead is a great Villa tradition and my eyes water with nostalgia from remembering all of those times in my early years of supporting them in the late 70s and early 80s when that happened.
One of the first games I ever went to was at home to Spurs in I think 78-79. We were 2-0 up and looking pretty much at ease going into the last 10 minutes. It ended 2-3 and yesterday was - the fact that we had enough time to get a goal back and could even have won it in the end - horribly reminiscent of that...
I remember that game - it was absolutely horrible.
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Footyvil, dimitri and Tim must live together I reckon
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Footyvil, dimitri and Tim must live together I reckon
Could be the same person with 3 different accounts hmmm
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The stats are flashing in bright red lights in massive fucking font and you are ignoring them. That’s some going to argue to suit your agenda.
Are they? can you explain how city have lost five times this season from a two goal position when they have lost three league games all season 😂
So how are they flashing in front of me?
You might want to read the room. Everyone is pointing out with hard data that you’re quite misguided. That’s the flashing in front of you bit you need to latch on to. You’re clearly working very hard to justify your argument and position with little except misery and emotion.
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The stats are flashing in bright red lights in massive fucking font and you are ignoring them. That’s some going to argue to suit your agenda.
Are they? can you explain how city have lost five times this season from a two goal position when they have lost three league games all season 😂
So how are they flashing in front of me?
You might want to read the room. Everyone is pointing out with hard data that you’re quite misguided. That’s the flashing in front of you bit you need to latch on to. You’re clearly working very hard to justify your argument and position with little except misery and emotion.
Don’t forget being a crushingly tedious bellend.
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The point around us losing points from winning positions is clearly factually wrong in terms of it being a recurring problem. Like I’ve said I think the problem is more that since the turn of the year we’ve had periods in games where we just don’t compete at all. That has cost us points, and it’s not just a bit of a drop off it’s that we pretty much stop playing. Many contributing factors, including horrible injuries, but it’s an area where we need to be better.
Well it isn't factually wrong when it is there in black and white. Obviously it does rely on us taking the lead in the first place. So it wouldn't show the Manure home match of us dropping a point because we never took a lead. And for games like City and the recent one against Tottenham, we never took a lead. But it is still a stat that shows we are still tough enough to come out of those periods when we have those spells and get the win.
When we’re in front yes, which is what I mean by it clearly being wrong that that is a recurring problem for us.
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The stats are flashing in bright red lights in massive fucking font and you are ignoring them. That’s some going to argue to suit your agenda.
Are they? can you explain how city have lost five times this season from a two goal position when they have lost three league games all season 😂
So how are they flashing in front of me?
You might want to read the room. Everyone is pointing out with hard data that you’re quite misguided. That’s the flashing in front of you bit you need to latch on to. You’re clearly working very hard to justify your argument and position with little except misery and emotion.
That wasnt the original point i made spmeone else mentioned the 72 game stat not me.
I mean as i said it shouldnt happen as frequently as its happened over the last few months thats the point im making. If people dont wanna agree fine but thats my opinion.
Two goal leads slip is a villa trait. To happen in Dec, yesterday and almost vs forest is worrying. If people cant see thats a big issue i dont know what to tell you. Even ollie has acknowledged it. So i take it ollies wrong too?
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The point around us losing points from winning positions is clearly factually wrong in terms of it being a recurring problem. Like I’ve said I think the problem is more that since the turn of the year we’ve had periods in games where we just don’t compete at all. That has cost us points, and it’s not just a bit of a drop off it’s that we pretty much stop playing. Many contributing factors, including horrible injuries, but it’s an area where we need to be better.
Well it isn't factually wrong when it is there in black and white. Obviously it does rely on us taking the lead in the first place. So it wouldn't show the Manure home match of us dropping a point because we never took a lead. And for games like City and the recent one against Tottenham, we never took a lead. But it is still a stat that shows we are still tough enough to come out of those periods when we have those spells and get the win.
When we’re in front yes, which is what I mean by it clearly being wrong that that is a recurring problem for us.
So lets get this straight. Ignore when we are in front. Ok so we have lost 7 games when we haven't been in front. And 5 draws which we haven't been in front, but four of them, we have come back from behind in. But bottling it is our recurring problem.....
Gotcha.
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Footyvil, dimitri and Tim must live together I reckon
Could be the same person with 3 different accounts hmmm
Nah- Footvil is away for weeks at a time on scouting trips so cant be the same person
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Footyvil, dimitri and Tim must live together I reckon
Honestly what a embarrassing post 😂
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Losing a 2 goal winning margin has happened on 3 ocassions this season. We won 1 of those games, drew 1 of those games and lost 1 of those games. I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but we've lost 5 points from winning positions.
If Liverpool do lose today we're 1st for fewest points dropped from a winning position this season.
But i bet we are top from losing a 2 goal lead
Losing a 2 goal lead is a great Villa tradition and my eyes water with nostalgia from remembering all of those times in my early years of supporting them in the late 70s and early 80s when that happened.
One of the first games I ever went to was at home to Spurs in I think 78-79. We were 2-0 up and looking pretty much at ease going into the last 10 minutes. It ended 2-3 and yesterday was - the fact that we had enough time to get a goal back and could even have won it in the end - horribly reminiscent of that...
Ah that game in 78-79! I remember Spurs blazing a good chance over the bar and me saying they’ll never score today, so it was my fault and I confess after all these years. 2-0 leads can be deadly, you think you’ve won it and if you concede it’s a totally different game (or is this just a Villa thing?)
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Nope conceding multiple goals when we’re under pressure is our problem since the turn of the year. I’m not sure what’s so controversial about that statement? There have been several games where it’s happened. Doesn’t mean I’m saying we’re bottlers or a bad side, or that we’re not having a great season. But it is something we need to be better at.
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The stats are flashing in bright red lights in massive fucking font and you are ignoring them. That’s some going to argue to suit your agenda.
Are they? can you explain how city have lost five times this season from a two goal position when they have lost three league games all season 😂
So how are they flashing in front of me?
You might want to read the room. Everyone is pointing out with hard data that you’re quite misguided. That’s the flashing in front of you bit you need to latch on to. You’re clearly working very hard to justify your argument and position with little except misery and emotion.
That wasnt the original point i made spmeone else mentioned the 72 game stat not me.
I mean as i said it shouldnt happen as frequently as its happened over the last few months thats the point im making. If people dont wanna agree fine but thats my opinion.
Two goal leads slip is a villa trait. To happen in Dec, yesterday and almost vs forest is worrying. If people cant see thats a big issue i dont know what to tell you. Even ollie has acknowledged it. So i take it ollies wrong too?
The reason the 73 game stat is important is that it proves that losing when being 2-0 up doesn’t happen frequently, thus proving the basis of your argument completely and utterly flawed.
Ollie seems like a sensible lad, I’d like to think if presented with the facts like you have been, he wouldn’t keep persisting with the same flawed argument.
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The stats are flashing in bright red lights in massive fucking font and you are ignoring them. That’s some going to argue to suit your agenda.
Are they? can you explain how city have lost five times this season from a two goal position when they have lost three league games all season 😂
So how are they flashing in front of me?
You might want to read the room. Everyone is pointing out with hard data that you’re quite misguided. That’s the flashing in front of you bit you need to latch on to. You’re clearly working very hard to justify your argument and position with little except misery and emotion.
Don’t forget being a crushingly tedious bellend.
Who you calling a bellend you nerd?
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Can you both cut it out now thanks.
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calm down, lads. We didn't lose ;)
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Look at what happens when we concede in a winning position? We tend to crumble. Thats my problem.
As has been pointed out with cold, hard facts many times, we don’t. We’re the joint best team in the country at not crumbling. Why can’t you understand this incredibly simple and undeniable truth?
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The stats are flashing in bright red lights in massive fucking font and you are ignoring them. That’s some going to argue to suit your agenda.
Are they? can you explain how city have lost five times this season from a two goal position when they have lost three league games all season 😂
So how are they flashing in front of me?
You might want to read the room. Everyone is pointing out with hard data that you’re quite misguided. That’s the flashing in front of you bit you need to latch on to. You’re clearly working very hard to justify your argument and position with little except misery and emotion.
That wasnt the original point i made spmeone else mentioned the 72 game stat not me.
I mean as i said it shouldnt happen as frequently as its happened over the last few months thats the point im making. If people dont wanna agree fine but thats my opinion.
Two goal leads slip is a villa trait. To happen in Dec, yesterday and almost vs forest is worrying. If people cant see thats a big issue i dont know what to tell you. Even ollie has acknowledged it. So i take it ollies wrong too?
The reason the 73 game stat is important is that it proves that losing when being 2-0 up doesn’t happen frequently, thus proving the basis of your argument completely and utterly flawed.
Ollie seems like a sensible lad, I’d like to think if presented with the facts like you have been, he wouldn’t keep persisting with the same flawed argument.
The thing is rambo if this happening at the beginning of unais reign then i would agree with you. Bit its happening more recently which for me is more worrying.
We went down and lost against united after being two up, then yesterday. We collapsed vs spurs and almsot did what happened yesterday vs forest but luckily we scored a 4th to kill forest off.
I dont think we can ignore it
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Can you both cut it out now thanks.
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I dont think we can ignore it
You're certainly making it difficult to do that.
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As ever if things don't go in the way some people expect all hell breaks loose. Stay calm see how it pans out. Onwards and upwards.
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I wonder if losing our defensive midfielder is part of the problem?
Was the biggest problem of all…the work he used to do dropping into that back line on the right side was immense
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Footyvil, dimitri and Tim must live together I reckon
Are you ok ?
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More disappointed with the result against inferior opposition, although Tottenham would think the same, overall Tottenham think they should be in the champions League because they are Tottenham, with the squad of players Emery inherited and the injuries we have had this season I am happy, we are on a journey and that journey is full steam ahead, especially next season
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Looking back on yesterdays game is very disappointing. We played at snails pace . Watching todays games Spurs and Yanited both worked the ball about the pitch with pace . Our defending in that 9 minute period was also comical. Emery has work to do as we are stuttering over the line rather than finishing with a burst .
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Losing a 2 goal lead is a great Villa tradition and my eyes water with nostalgia from remembering all of those times in my early years of supporting them in the late 70s and early 80s when that happened.
One of the first games I ever went to was at home to Spurs in I think 78-79. We were 2-0 up and looking pretty much at ease going into the last 10 minutes. It ended 2-3 and yesterday was - the fact that we had enough time to get a goal back and could even have won it in the end - horribly reminiscent of that...
I remember that game very well. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that I think about it quite frequently, even after all these years.
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Losing a 2 goal lead is a great Villa tradition and my eyes water with nostalgia from remembering all of those times in my early years of supporting them in the late 70s and early 80s when that happened.
One of the first games I ever went to was at home to Spurs in I think 78-79. We were 2-0 up and looking pretty much at ease going into the last 10 minutes. It ended 2-3 and yesterday was - the fact that we had enough time to get a goal back and could even have won it in the end - horribly reminiscent of that...
I remember that game very well. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that I think about it quite frequently, even after all these years.
remember that , Hoddle scored . I'd been at Wembley that day with school for England schoolboys, they passed the Argus round on the coach on the way back once we got into Brum area , i was absolutely devastated .
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As ever if things don't go in the way some people expect all hell breaks loose. Stay calm see how it pans out. Onwards and upwards.
This from last year on here, Final Four and Finishing Place Predictions (https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=63936.0). Not awash with optimism. And don't forget that run-in of 2020. And the lung-busting efforts of the season before to get us into that position.
That's 3 times in 5 seasons we, Aston Villa, have done it when it matters. We're going to make it 4 in 6.
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Looking back on yesterdays game is very disappointing. We played at snails pace . Watching todays games Spurs and Yanited both worked the ball about the pitch with pace . Our defending in that 9 minute period was also comical. Emery has work to do as we are stuttering over the line rather than finishing with a burst .
I don't have a problem with how we played in the first half. Play at walking pace, control possession, score a goal, concede no chances? That'll do nicely. It's the second half I have issue with, I don't quite know why we tend to concede goals in bursts like we do.
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Looking back on yesterdays game is very disappointing. We played at snails pace . Watching todays games Spurs and Yanited both worked the ball about the pitch with pace . Our defending in that 9 minute period was also comical. Emery has work to do as we are stuttering over the line rather than finishing with a burst .
I don't have a problem with how we played in the first half. Play at walking pace, control possession, score a goal, concede no chances? That'll do nicely. It's the second half I have issue with, I don't quite know why we tend to concede goals in bursts like we do.
The issue is Brentford weren't being worked enough. They had bags of energy to have that 10 minute burst themselves. We really should have gone at it rather than walking football mode.
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Looking back on yesterdays game is very disappointing. We played at snails pace . Watching todays games Spurs and Yanited both worked the ball about the pitch with pace . Our defending in that 9 minute period was also comical. Emery has work to do as we are stuttering over the line rather than finishing with a burst .
I don't have a problem with how we played in the first half. Play at walking pace, control possession, score a goal, concede no chances? That'll do nicely. It's the second half I have issue with, I don't quite know why we tend to concede goals in bursts like we do.
The issue is Brentford weren't being worked enough. They had bags of energy to have that 10 minute burst themselves. We really should have gone at it rather than walking football mode.
The players are running on empty. We've had a shit load of injuries to deal with and a gruelling Thursday/Sunday schedule. Emery is managing the squad in the best way possible. If we qualify for the Champions league it will be an amazing achievement. If we were to win the Conference league too it would be the icing on the cake but we have to accept that that there is physical and mental fatigue affecting the performances.
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Why are we running on empty?
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Why are we running on empty?
For the reasons I described in my post.
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Reality is that as none of us are professional athletes we're all pretty clueless on how gassed they may or may not be.
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Look at what happens when we concede in a winning position? We tend to crumble. Thats my problem.
As has been pointed out with cold, hard facts many times, we don’t. We’re the joint best team in the country at not crumbling. Why can’t you understand this incredibly simple and undeniable truth?
Ok as you seen to ignoring what im saying ill break it down again in more detail for all th recent games
We let slip a 2 goal lead yesterday, vs brentford.
We let a two goal lead slip at luton to get to 2-2 but luckily we scored a 3rd
We were 3 up vs forest and let forest back at 3-2 before scoring a 4th. we then let a 2 goal load slip vs burnley before scoring a pen last minute and just about winning that one. Then the week before we let a 2 goal slip vs manure losing 3-2 another collapse.
To add to my point to the RECENT games about the opposition scoring 1st. City, spurs, newcastle , chelsea (in cup) and utd at home. All those clubs scored first and guess what a total of a big fat zero points! The only one we got a point from the opposition scoring 1st was west ham up to that manure game at OT
So then you are telling me there is no pattern there?
This was rarely happe ing in 1st half of season
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Looking back on yesterdays game is very disappointing. We played at snails pace . Watching todays games Spurs and Yanited both worked the ball about the pitch with pace . Our defending in that 9 minute period was also comical. Emery has work to do as we are stuttering over the line rather than finishing with a burst .
I don't have a problem with how we played in the first half. Play at walking pace, control possession, score a goal, concede no chances? That'll do nicely. It's the second half I have issue with, I don't quite know why we tend to concede goals in bursts like we do.
The issue is Brentford weren't being worked enough. They had bags of energy to have that 10 minute burst themselves. We really should have gone at it rather than walking football mode.
The players are running on empty. We've had a shit load of injuries to deal with and a gruelling Thursday/Sunday schedule. Emery is managing the squad in the best way possible. If we qualify for the Champions league it will be an amazing achievement. If we were to win the Conference league too it would be the icing on the cake but we have to accept that that there is physical and mental fatigue affecting the performances.
I don't think it's physical empty. I totally agree though they are empty mentally . And they are into unchartered waters in terms of top end Premier League pressures which also is sapping them.
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Look at what happens when we concede in a winning position? We tend to crumble. Thats my problem.
As has been pointed out with cold, hard facts many times, we don’t. We’re the joint best team in the country at not crumbling. Why can’t you understand this incredibly simple and undeniable truth?
Ok as you seen to ignoring what im saying ill break it down again in more detail for all th recent games
We let slip a 2 goal lead yesterday, vs brentford.
We let a two goal lead slip at luton to get to 2-2 but luckily we scored a 3rd
We were 3 up vs forest and let forest back at 3-2 before scoring a 4th. we then let a 2 goal load slip vs burnley before scoring a pen last minute and just about winning that one. Then the week before we let a 2 goal slip vs manure losing 3-2 another collapse.
To add to my point to the RECENT games about the opposition scoring 1st. City, spurs, newcastle , chelsea (in cup) and utd at home. All those clubs scored first and guess what a total of a big fat zero points! The only one we got a point from the opposition scoring 1st was west ham up to that manure game at OT
So then you are telling me there is no pattern there?
This was rarely happe ing in 1st half of season
This has been going on for hours. Do you have nothing else to do?
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We didn't go 2-0 up against Burnley at home.
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We didn't go 2-0 up against Burnley at home.
Beat me to it. He’ll probably change that to ‘I meant a one goal lead twice’. His criteria for how crap we are changes more than the Villa’s back four.
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We didn't go 2-0 up against Burnley at home.
His rants being so off on facts and claiming luck when we win has finally driven me to test out the ignore feature for the first time ever in 20 odd years. (I know it hasn't been around that long.)
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Look at what happens when we concede in a winning position? We tend to crumble. Thats my problem.
As has been pointed out with cold, hard facts many times, we don’t. We’re the joint best team in the country at not crumbling. Why can’t you understand this incredibly simple and undeniable truth?
Ok as you seen to ignoring what im saying ill break it down again in more detail for all th recent games
We let slip a 2 goal lead yesterday, vs brentford.
We let a two goal lead slip at luton to get to 2-2 but luckily we scored a 3rd
We were 3 up vs forest and let forest back at 3-2 before scoring a 4th. we then let a 2 goal load slip vs burnley before scoring a pen last minute and just about winning that one. Then the week before we let a 2 goal slip vs manure losing 3-2 another collapse.
To add to my point to the RECENT games about the opposition scoring 1st. City, spurs, newcastle , chelsea (in cup) and utd at home. All those clubs scored first and guess what a total of a big fat zero points! The only one we got a point from the opposition scoring 1st was west ham up to that manure game at OT
So then you are telling me there is no pattern there?
This was rarely happe ing in 1st half of season
This has been going on for hours. Do you have nothing else to do?
So just ignoee the points gotcha
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We didn't go 2-0 up against Burnley at home.
And the rest of my post ? Fancy responding to that ?
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We didn't go 2-0 up against Burnley at home.
Beat me to it. He’ll probably change that to ‘I meant a one goal lead twice’. His criteria for how crap we are changes more than the Villa’s back four.
He always changes the rules for his argument when each one was picked apart. I remember then he was stating about Spurs injuries and named Sessgenon as theirs in the same post stating we have to ignore Mings and Buendia because they were injured at the start of the season. He might have a good reason for not posting during the first half of the season, but the negativity to Villa, and positivity given to every other club, especially from when the season has started to tell on the squad does make me wonder.
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We didn't go 2-0 up against Burnley at home.
And the rest of my post ? Fancy responding to that ?
Lost interest as soon as I saw you got something so basic incorrect. When scores that didn't happen and scores that 'almost' happened are a big part of your stats then all credibility is lost.
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Why are we running on empty?
For the reasons I described in my post.
OK, but whats the evidence for it? You speculate there is fatigue, how do you know? What are you seeing that suggests tired?
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We didn't go 2-0 up against Burnley at home.
Beat me to it. He’ll probably change that to ‘I meant a one goal lead twice’. His criteria for how crap we are changes more than the Villa’s back four.
He always changes the rules for his argument when each one was picked apart. I remember then he was stating about Spurs injuries and named Sessgenon as theirs in the same post stating we have to ignore Mings and Buendia because they were injured at the start of the season. He might have a good reason for not posting during the first half of the season, but the negativity to Villa, and positivity given to every other club, especially from when the season has started to tell on the squad does make me wonder.
Im presenting my arguments and instead of arguing the points (because you cant as ive presented mainly facts barring burnley which we took lead twice in that game and let burnley back in which supports my argument regardless)
You have instead chosen to twist something from months ago and pick up on a small error in the post and not debate the rest of the post. Shows you have lost the debate.
I hope you have ignored my posts because its pointless debating with you. Your just on a windup clearly and trying to provoke a reaction.
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I do love it when we toon lwad. Wish we did it more often.
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We didn't go 2-0 up against Burnley at home.
And the rest of my post ? Fancy responding to that ?
Lost interest as soon as I saw you got something so basic incorrect. When scores that didn't happen and scores that 'almost' happened are a big part of your stats then all credibility is lost.
Exactly you lose - you cant bothered means you cant argue it as you know ive got a point. That same game against Burnley we took the lead twice so my point still remains correct even though i acknowledge it wasnt a 2 goal slip. People make errors have you never made a mistake?
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Guys we need to just let this one go. Disappointing but we move on .
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The fact you think there's a winner and loser in a football debate on the internet says far more about you than anything I could.
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Why are we running on empty?
For the reasons I described in my post.
OK, but whats the evidence for it? You speculate there is fatigue, how do you know? What are you seeing that suggests tired?
I don't think it is controversial that playing so well first half of the season, then losing squad members a lot more second half (plus 10 extra games then say Spurs) has meant the squad might be feeling it. Emery is trying to rest some players at the moment like he did against City for a similar reason, to ensure they don't plummet off the cliff on performances for the last potential eleven games.
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I do love it when we toon lwad. Wish we did it more often.
A wise man once said once you result to personal attacks you have lost the debate
You have really convinced me im wrong with that post. Genius
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We didn't go 2-0 up against Burnley at home.
And the rest of my post ? Fancy responding to that ?
Lost interest as soon as I saw you got something so basic incorrect. When scores that didn't happen and scores that 'almost' happened are a big part of your stats then all credibility is lost.
Exactly you lose - you cant bothered means you cant argue it as you know ive got a point. That same game against Burnley we took the lead twice so my point still remains correct even though i acknowledge it wasnt a 2 goal slip. People make errors have you never made a mistake?
It's a pretty fundamental mistake to make, though, when you're banging on about letting two goal leads slip and choose to evidence it with a game in which we didn't let a two goal lead slip.
And how does the logic of "we took the lead twice so my point still remains correct even though I acknowledge it wasn't a two goal slip" stand up? They are two different things entirely.
If your point is that something happened that actually did not happen then, no, your point does not remain correct.
You've clearly dug yourself into a big hole.
If I were you, I'd extract myself from it as easily as possible and thus give myself the least stress possible (normally, I just decided to ignore the thread in question for a day until it has moved on).
Or you could do what Tim does when people accuse him of being the former, banned posters Cooper's Injury and SihillVillain and just ignore the posts whilst still posting on the thread
*wink*
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I wouldn't disagree. Injuries take their toll in degrading the overall quality or losing players that have specific functions that cannot be compensated elsewhere, but fatigue is a separate issue. I don't see it.
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The fact you think there's a winner and loser in a football debate on the internet says far more about you than anything I could.
Mate you could take advice yourself you really are not glorify yourself well here. Instead of talking about football all you ahve done is do petty non releated posts. You cant even bother to debate about the points because you know you have nothing. Absolutely nothing its hilarious really
So im done talking with you as this is a waste of my time
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The fact you think there's a winner and loser in a football debate on the internet says far more about you than anything I could.
Mate you could take advice yourself you really are not glorify yourself well here. Instead of talking about football all you ahve done is do petty non releated posts. You cant even bother to debate about the points because you know you have nothing. Absolutely nothing its hilarious really
So im done talking with you as this is a waste of my time
IFKYK
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Or, "your winner" as would be most appropriate in Demitri's case.
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And if anyone wants to watch me glory myself well, i've got 25% on my OF.
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Why are we running on empty?
For the reasons I described in my post.
OK, but whats the evidence for it? You speculate there is fatigue, how do you know? What are you seeing that suggests tired?
I don't have "evidence" I don't actually work for the club. I'm merely speculating in response to a post questioning why Brentford seemed to have bags more energy than us.
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We didn't go 2-0 up against Burnley at home.
And the rest of my post ? Fancy responding to that ?
Lost interest as soon as I saw you got something so basic incorrect. When scores that didn't happen and scores that 'almost' happened are a big part of your stats then all credibility is lost.
Exactly you lose - you cant bothered means you cant argue it as you know ive got a point. That same game against Burnley we took the lead twice so my point still remains correct even though i acknowledge it wasnt a 2 goal slip. People make errors have you never made a mistake?
It's a pretty fundamental mistake to make, though, when you're banging on about letting two goal leads slip and choose to evidence it with a game in which we didn't let a two goal lead slip.
And how does the logic of "we took the lead twice so my point still remains correct even though I acknowledge it wasn't a two goal slip" stand up? They are two different things entirely.
If your point is that something happened that actually did not happen then, no, your point does not remain correct.
You've clearly dug yourself into a big hole.
If I were you, I'd extract myself from it as easily as possible and thus give myself the least stress possible (normally, I just decided to ignore the thread in question for a day until it has moved on).
Or you could do what Tim does when people accuse him of being the former, banned posters Cooper's Injury and SihillVillain and just ignore the posts whilst still posting on the thread
*wink*
I posted what 6-7 games and one error out of them has been focus while rest of post was generally ignored. That burnley game we did let a leaf slip twice which highlights the point km trying to make. Two issues i think we are having when we concede 1st we usually lose and that we are getting too comfortable with leads and shooting ourselves in the foot!
We need more wolves type performances. Those are the ones that for me are where we look most comfortable 🙂
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The fact you think there's a winner and loser in a football debate on the internet says far more about you than anything I could.
Mate you could take advice yourself you really are not glorify yourself well here. Instead of talking about football all you ahve done is do petty non releated posts. You cant even bother to debate about the points because you know you have nothing. Absolutely nothing its hilarious really
So im done talking with you as this is a waste of my time
IFKYK
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Thank you ive never won anythigv before im honoured 🙂
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Oh, I agree, we've got a problem, and it's a worrying one.
I'm just piling in for a bit of fun before I go to bed, now MOTD2 is clearly off-limits because of the result yesterday.
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Anyways ill leave it there as we wont agree on this
Good night all x
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We didn't go 2-0 up against Burnley at home.
Beat me to it. He’ll probably change that to ‘I meant a one goal lead twice’. His criteria for how crap we are changes more than the Villa’s back four.
He always changes the rules for his argument when each one was picked apart. I remember then he was stating about Spurs injuries and named Sessgenon as theirs in the same post stating we have to ignore Mings and Buendia because they were injured at the start of the season. He might have a good reason for not posting during the first half of the season, but the negativity to Villa, and positivity given to every other club, especially from when the season has started to tell on the squad does make me wonder.
Im presenting my arguments and instead of arguing the points (because you cant as ive presented mainly facts barring burnley which we took lead twice in that game and let burnley back in which supports my argument regardless)
You have instead chosen to twist something from months ago and pick up on a small error in the post and not debate the rest of the post. Shows you have lost the debate.
I hope you have ignored my posts because its pointless debating with you. Your just on a windup clearly and trying to provoke a reaction.
I resent the accusation that people have ignored your posts and picked up instead on one small error.
It’s ‘you’re’ by the way.
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Why are we running on empty?
For the reasons I described in my post.
OK, but whats the evidence for it? You speculate there is fatigue, how do you know? What are you seeing that suggests tired?
I don't have "evidence" I don't actually work for the club. I'm merely speculating in response to a post questioning why Brentford seemed to have bags more energy than us.
Did they?
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Why are we running on empty?
For the reasons I described in my post.
OK, but whats the evidence for it? You speculate there is fatigue, how do you know? What are you seeing that suggests tired?
I don't have "evidence" I don't actually work for the club. I'm merely speculating in response to a post questioning why Brentford seemed to have bags more energy than us.
Did they?
Well that's what he said (villa tim) I didn't. I think it's been a long hard season and we've suffered a lot of injuries from day one. I think it's reasonable to speculate that the players might be physically and mentally knackered.
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I thought Konsa, Torres and Luiz looked fatigued on Saturday.
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I thought Konsa, Torres and Luiz looked fatigued on Saturday.
Not sure how Torres could be fatigued, he has missed a lot of football recently.
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I thought Konsa, Torres and Luiz looked fatigued on Saturday.
Not sure how Torres could be fatigued, he has missed a lot of football recently.
Maybe he is carrying an injury, maybe not able to train fully. Did not look right on Saturday.
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I thought Konsa, Torres and Luiz looked fatigued on Saturday.
Not sure how Torres could be fatigued, he has missed a lot of football recently.
Maybe he is carrying an injury, maybe not able to train fully. Did not look right on Saturday.
He was benched on Wednesday too so he's probably carrying a bit of a knock.
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Torres has been average since coming back from injury I think. We need Konsa back in the middle asap, all our other options are incredibly slow on the turn and I think as a collective we are losing faith in the high defensive line.
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Pau and Carlos both lost their men for the first two Brentford Nylons goals!
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Pau and Carlos both lost their men for the first two Brentford Nylons goals!
It really was quite poor. Konsa's attempt at blocking the cross too. He needs to be back in the middle. Get Carlos benched and bring KKH in.
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Carlos made a great one on one tackle in the first half saving a potential goal.
Pau had probably the poorest game I have seen him play.
Defiantly need a right back option with Konsa back in the middle.
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We should be one of the teams least prone to fatigue, given that we play most games at 2 mph.
Watching Liverpool yesterday, it struck me how much more quickly they seem to do everything compared with us. And they keep up that intensity for most of the game. The last time I can recall us doing that was against Abu Dhabi.
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We should be one of the teams least prone to fatigue, given that we play most games at 2 mph.
Watching Liverpool yesterday, it struck me how much more quickly they seem to do everything compared with us. And they keep up that intensity for most of the game. The last time I can recall us doing that was against Abu Dhabi.
You would think that the pace we play at should conserve energy, no evidence of that mind. One of those days when 3 of the back 4 were off form or not concentrating or both.
I could only watch back the goals last night on MOTD2. Brentford's first is a complete fluke.
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We let slip a 2 goal lead yesterday, vs brentford.
We let a two goal lead slip at luton to get to 2-2 but luckily we scored a 3rd
We were 3 up vs forest and let forest back at 3-2 before scoring a 4th. we then let a 2 goal load slip vs burnley before scoring a pen last minute and just about winning that one. Then the week before we let a 2 goal slip vs manure losing 3-2 another collapse.
To add to my point to the RECENT games about the opposition scoring 1st. City, spurs, newcastle , chelsea (in cup) and utd at home. All those clubs scored first and guess what a total of a big fat zero points! The only one we got a point from the opposition scoring 1st was west ham up to that manure game at OT
So then you are telling me there is no pattern there?
This was rarely happe ing in 1st half of season
For all the mocking going on Demetri has made a cogent point here.
We have put ourselves in difficulty a number of times from seemingly comfortable positions. The fact we've dug ourselves out of it a few times doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist.
People can point at stats and take the piss, but it's something Ollie has noticed and I can guarantee you it is something Emery will have noticed too.
This is a football discussion forum. I think this is a reasonable thing to chat about without having abuse thrown at you. I do wonder if some people would be happier if the only thread allowed on Heroes Discussion part of the board was a weekly updated league table.
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We should be one of the teams least prone to fatigue, given that we play most games at 2 mph.
Watching Liverpool yesterday, it struck me how much more quickly they seem to do everything compared with us. And they keep up that intensity for most of the game. The last time I can recall us doing that was against Abu Dhabi.
Are you saying we're boring? We score when we want!
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Why on Earth would anyone look at the table every week? It only matters after 38 games!
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Why on Earth would anyone look at the table every week? It only matters after 38 games!
Very good point SE.
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We let slip a 2 goal lead yesterday, vs brentford.
We let a two goal lead slip at luton to get to 2-2 but luckily we scored a 3rd
We were 3 up vs forest and let forest back at 3-2 before scoring a 4th. we then let a 2 goal load slip vs burnley before scoring a pen last minute and just about winning that one. Then the week before we let a 2 goal slip vs manure losing 3-2 another collapse.
To add to my point to the RECENT games about the opposition scoring 1st. City, spurs, newcastle , chelsea (in cup) and utd at home. All those clubs scored first and guess what a total of a big fat zero points! The only one we got a point from the opposition scoring 1st was west ham up to that manure game at OT
So then you are telling me there is no pattern there?
This was rarely happe ing in 1st half of season
For all the mocking going on Demetri has made a cogent point here.
We have put ourselves in difficulty a number of times from seemingly comfortable positions. The fact we've dug ourselves out of it a few times doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist.
People can point at stats and take the piss, but it's something Ollie has noticed and I can guarantee you it is something Emery will have noticed too.
This is a football discussion forum. I think this is a reasonable thing to chat about without having abuse thrown at you. I do wonder if some people would be happier if the only thread allowed on Heroes Discussion part of the board was a weekly updated league table.
I've made a similar point on the Watkins thread before seeing this Chris, how we've fallen apart for periods after there had been no threat whatsoever.
It's quite odd.
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Why on Earth would anyone look at the table every week? It only matters after 38 games!
Did you think that when Stevie Mee was in charge?!
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I could only watch back the goals last night on MOTD2. Brentford's first is a complete fluke.
It was a fluke in that he meant to hit it differently and Emi might have saved it if he had connected correctly, but to allow an uncontested cross, an uncontested pass and an unmarked player in the centre, then you should expect it to be a goal.
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Why on Earth would anyone look at the table every week? It only matters after 38 games!
Did you think that when Stevie Mee was in charge?!
I wasn't being entirely serious. A bit like Gerrard.