Aston Villa vs Brentford Post-Match Thread

[Percy McCarthy]

I do hope this coefficient thing that gets top 5 into the CL isn’t reliant on us winning the Europa League.

So do I! We’re not even in it *wink*

[Villan82]

Not ITK at all but I think Carlos was going to be sold but for Mings getting injured.

[Toronto Villa]

Ollie Watkins: "It's frustrating. We lacked that big team mentality where they kill games off which is really disappointing. I'm not belittling my team. I'm part of it."

As disappointing as it is to admit it’s important they are together on this. It’s a very candid observation by Ollie and something we need to develop as a club. It’s not easy and we have come a long way very quickly.

It is good to see but when does it change? We keep having these “moments”.

When we operate at the top end of the table for longer than 12 months I assume. And have hanged that culture at the club from top to bottom. For most of the past 3 decades we’ve operated at the arse end of the league.

[KevinGage]

We def need another right back to rival the Polish Cafu.  The lad from Red Star Belgrade looks more like a long term project.

If we're shunting Konsa RB again and Diego is lining up for us at all next season the summer won't have gone too well.

Carlos is definitely one i'd look to try and get 10m for + his wages off the books. Good player, but not elite, and if we want to be chasing top 4 each year, we need elite.

Don't think he's looked a good player for us at all, save the games against Citeh and Arsenal around Christmas. Even luminaries such as Ashley Westwood, Jordan Bowery and Rudy Gestede managed the odd good game.

For the fee + wages that we paid for him, we were prob expecting closer to elite level. Rather than Carl Tiler on 'roids.

Not pinning today on him, mind. He had a good support cast this afternoon.

But we generally look more vulnerable at the back when he starts.

[AV84]

Ollie Watkins: "It's frustrating. We lacked that big team mentality where they kill games off which is really disappointing. I'm not belittling my team. I'm part of it."

As disappointing as it is to admit it’s important they are together on this. It’s a very candid observation by Ollie and something we need to develop as a club. It’s not easy and we have come a long way very quickly.

Its the kind of thing that leads to the best players leaving. I'm not doom mongering or anything, but there will come a point where collectively they become that team, with that mentality, or players like Watkins, Luiz, Martinez etc. start thinking they've given enough time to this project and it's just not happening.

[Toronto Villa]

Ollie Watkins: "It's frustrating. We lacked that big team mentality where they kill games off which is really disappointing. I'm not belittling my team. I'm part of it."

As disappointing as it is to admit it’s important they are together on this. It’s a very candid observation by Ollie and something we need to develop as a club. It’s not easy and we have come a long way very quickly.

Its the kind of thing that leads to the best players leaving. I'm not doom mongering or anything, but there will come a point where collectively they become that team, with that mentality, or players like Watkins, Luiz, Martinez etc. start thinking they've given enough time to this project and it's just not happening.

I think quite the opposite. It leads to us bringing in more players who have operated under pressure of being at the top. The manager isn’t going anywhere. He has stressed mentality as a key ingredient in our success. So for me it means players who fail to perform at the top level leaving and bringing better ones in. And we’ve already seen that given just where we are less than 2 years removed from being one of the worst teams in the league.

[Beard82]

We def need another right back to rival the Polish Cafu.  The lad from Red Star Belgrade looks more like a long term project.

If we're shunting Konsa RB again and Diego is lining up for us at all next season the summer won't have gone too well.

Carlos is definitely one i'd look to try and get 10m for + his wages off the books. Good player, but not elite, and if we want to be chasing top 4 each year, we need elite.

Don't think he's looked a good player for us at all, save the games against Citeh and Arsenal around Christmas. Even luminaries such as Ashley Westwood, Jordan Bowery and Rudy Gestede managed the odd good game.

For the fee + wages that we paid for him, we were prob expecting closer to elite level. Rather than Carl Tiler on 'roids.

Not pinning today on him, mind. He had a good support cast this afternoon.

But we generally look more vulnerable at the back when he starts.

Agree with with this - if we had got that bloke from Burnley on a free that Everton signed I think he would have contributed more

[Tony Daleys Shorts]

We haven’t. We just gone from title winning form to really good top 6-8 form, which with our squad is where we should be.

We over performed the first third of the season.

[Paul.S]

Unforgivable defending!
All 3 of their goals were abysmal from our point of view. As for Dougies booking, that’s just not good enough. We’ve got enough injuries and it’s bloody unforgivable and a massive lack of discipline.
It’s times like this we miss Kamara but we should’ve done exactly what we did against Wolves and played the game out.
Somehow we’ve got to shore up that midfield and hops Cash is back next week so we can move Konsa back inside.

[Allan C]

I’m in the Spurs will blow it camp and I think we’ll finish 4th still. But we definitely cannot be losing a 2 goal lead at home against a team like Brentford if we have ideas of competing in the elite euro competition. The teams above us don’t do it

[Demitri_C]

I have to say the ref was absolutely woeful today he literally gave every decision to brentford. A very bias performance

I actually thought he was OK first half, made some decisions that pissed Brentford off. Then that woeful second half. It was like 'Stockley Park' literally told him to even it up during the break. Bizarre.

As others have said, shocking from Konsa, Pau in particular, and I'd add Tielemans to that second half (their quick free kick esp) - we looked a lot more solid on the right when Ginny moved back late on.

We switched off at the 2-0 goal, decided we'd already won. Not a top level mentality. I don't like the bloke, but you think of someone like Henderson when at Liverpool - no way that's allowed to happen. We're still too nice, especially without Ty. Need performances next two Thursdays - I'm expecting nothing at the Arse.

For me 1st half the made thw mpst ridiculous decision not giving a pen to carlos when he was pulled down yet gave foul other way.

I just knew after that what kind of referee we were getting today

[Risso]

When your manager decides to shit the bed in the week, don’t be surprised when the team does likewise.

[Tony Daleys Shorts]

Absolutely. It’s a double fucker. Konsa gets drawn inside too much defensively, doesn’t offer much offensively as a right back, basically is pretty ordinary playing that position.

We also really miss having our best centre half, playing at centre half.

Cash injured at the moment.

I know. I’m just saying Konsa isn’t a good right back, and is an International centre back. As others have said, we need cover at RB.

[Keeno]

We def need another right back to rival the Polish Cafu.  The lad from Red Star Belgrade looks more like a long term project.

If we're shunting Konsa RB again and Diego is lining up for us at all next season the summer won't have gone too well.

Carlos is definitely one i'd look to try and get 10m for + his wages off the books. Good player, but not elite, and if we want to be chasing top 4 each year, we need elite.

Don't think he's looked a good player for us at all, save the games against Citeh and Arsenal around Christmas. Even luminaries such as Ashley Westwood, Jordan Bowery and Rudy Gestede managed the odd good game.

For the fee + wages that we paid for him, we were prob expecting closer to elite level. Rather than Carl Tiler on 'roids.

Not pinning today on him, mind. He had a good support cast this afternoon.

But we generally look more vulnerable at the back when he starts.

Agree with with this - if we had got that bloke from Burnley on a free that Everton signed I think he would have contributed more

What I mean is, I think Carlos would be alright for West Ham. Or someone in upper mid table. 30m or whatever we paid for him is pretty much the going rate for a defender of that standard.

To get 70 points and Champions League, you need a different quality of player than that, who is consistent week after week. Konsa and Torres are there based on their performances across the season. Maybe Mings too (although lets not forget he also consistently has a mistake in him). But we need to be buying another Pau-level CB this summer I think.

For example, Spurs paid £45m for van de Ven this summer who is outstanding. That's the level we need to be shopping around for.

[Goldenballs]

I'm gutted, call me a cry baby or whatever but I can't see us finishing 4th, we haven't got the cajones.

Massive 2 points dropped.