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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: pauliewalnuts on May 16, 2015, 02:39:33 PM
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Meh.
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Fans were amazing players were embarrassing.
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A shocking shower of absolute shite, let's hope Spurs turn up and finally put us out of our misery because I can't take any more of this.
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Let's not do that again.
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Shamshitebollockwanktitsarse.
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Horror show.
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Anything we got would have always been a bonus. But fucking hell, talk about a walkover. Thank Christ for the Gerrard wankfest; now I have two reasons not to watch Match of the Day.
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Recent developments in that match were not necessarily to Aston Villa's advantage.
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That was crap defending at it's finest.
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Welcome back from honeymoon Timmy - now the real work starts - and perhaps you might re-consider your rather rash judgement that major surgery wasn't needed.
FFS
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Sickening.
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Wow. :-\
Please don't take that crap to Wembley. C'mon Spuds.
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Well despite the good form we knew our defence wasn't up to snuff and its been proven today. I am still am Sherwood fab and hes done amazing job but let's not kid ourselves, he still needs to make changes to make a difference for the long term and today's result just magnifys this. Bad day at the office but I am sure hull will be down by the end of the day and we can enjoy next week. Oh yeah, and Ron vlaar? You order the taxi cos I am packing your bags. Three years of concrete shite.
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Today, we are all spurs fans.
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It also goes without saying that if we're waiting on a load of flakes like Tottenham to do us a favour this time next season, I may need to find a new hobby,
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Utterly shameful and a big lesson.
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Aston Villa in absolute hammering out of nowhere after gaining some momentum shocker !
Sigh!
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I hope this is just one of those days. Everything that could go wrong did. Okore and Vlaar were absolutely horrific throughout and at fault for all of Mane's hattrick. I thought the Arsenal implosion was bad but this was horrible. They did round things off with a couple of showboating goals for 5 and 6, but the rest were dire defending. But for Given it might have been 10.
We need to take a 'forget me now' and concentrate on finishing the season on a high against Burnley and clawing back some confidence for the cup. I just pray we get a bit of luck with fitness at the back. This will be a tough week for Sherwood. Does he absolutely roast this lot for today, or does he try to, as best he can get them to learn from it and write it off?
Come on you Spurs!
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Nothing changes when you're a villa fan, does it ?
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... and now I have to suffer the ignominy of singing from the same hymn sheet as Richard Littlejohn - come on Spuds!
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Dreadful from start to finish. Outplayed in every department from start to finish. The defence was an absolute shambles. God knows what he needs to do to pick them up after that.
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Utterly bereft....
That high line has finally cost us.Need to be vigilant against Ings next week.
However....I'd have snapped your hand off to be in this position at 1445 on the penultimate weekend after Hull away.
Also,didn't Ipswich lose 6-1 on their final away game in 1978,prior to beating some favourites or other?
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Today reminded me of when we played Sheffield United in O'Neill's first season. We battered a team who thought they were safe and played like they were on the beach - a week later they were relegated.
We were an absolute disgrace from start to finish and yet again we're praying for other results to go our way. That was as bad as QPR at Man City last week.
I think if it goes to the last day that we will be relegated. This team hasn't got enough bottle for a last day shoot out.
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Occasionally forget that I support Aston Villa. They never fail to remind me. Unless someone can make it back into defence for the final you can write arsenals name on the cup now
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Fucking fuckers.
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Let's have a bet on the time of the first Hull goal. I'll go for 3.07pm.
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That was a disaster in defending.
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They only scored one goal that we didn't give an assist with, so really it was one, one
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Let's have a bet on the time of the first Hull goal. I'll go for 3.07pm.
Optimist. 3.04pm.
...and of course the new fastest hat trick record. Didn't think Robbie Fowlers would get beaten, that certainly won't now.
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Well ok great win for Sothn but I would rather be at Wembley on 30 May than winning our last home game 6-1. Either later later today or next week if it has to be we will be fine and looking forward to a great day.
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I'm sick of is being second bested by teams like Southampton. Massive credit to the likes of them and Swansea, but there was a time when the initial excitement of promotion gave way to stodgy subsequent seasons. But it's us who have stood still and sat back on reputation. One thing I hope for, other than a Spuds win, is that Sherwood has his eyes open in the transfer market and realises meat-and-potatoes English players aren't what we need to progress.
We're now trying to catch Swansea and Southampton. To fans of a broad vintage, let that sink in.
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That was a disaster in defending.
What makes you say that?
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Vlaar's biggest weakness is that he isn't as good as he thinks he is.
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Meh.
Correct title and perfect summary. As much as today was shit nothing suggested this was on the horizon. We've had some really solid displays of late. All we can hope that this is a one off and we bounce back next week. Also hope that if any complacency existed that this sort that out too.
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3:09 hahaha
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We hadn't turned into world beaters overnight! Look where we were after hull away and look at it now. Amazing recovery but with this team a result like this was always on the cards.if we are to improve the hard work starts in the summer.
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Hopeful that will be the last we ever see of fucking Vlaar in a villa shirt
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Confidence and adrenalin were massive parts of the success over the last month or so. Both were missing today. Let's hope we just left them at home with the claret and blue shirts.
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The plan to lure Arsenal into a false sense of security really stepped up a notch today.
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Sherwood didn't say I thought we were excellent
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Okore: zero out of 10, but not writing him off.
Terrible defensively but what disappointed me the most was the woeful passing and loss of possession for no reason. Shite. Hopefully we have done enough already.
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Where the fuck did that come from? 6 fucking 1?
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i forgot we kicked off early and switched it on just before their 5th goal.
Southampton had more desire and were quicker in all departments.
Not singling anyone out; collectively, they were appalling.
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Entire back four mentally ambling across the hallowed Wembley turf, soaking up the cup final atmosphere in Ciro Citterrio suits today.
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I wonder how many of them have just played themselves out of a cup final?
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These things happen.Saints aren't where they are by accident and neither are we.
We should stay up and still have the possibilty of lifting silverware.
A lot more than I expected this season.
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Thought Tim handled his interview well, before BT cut off short.
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
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I think we can all guess what happens down at WHL now.
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Oh dear. We knew the defence was ropey but they all seemed to have a collective off day today. Didn't we also ship 3 goals in about 5 minutes two seasons ago at Saints? I know the CBs were awful but most of the goals stemmed from the full backs positions. Hutton directly responsible for one with that awful back pass, and he was nowhere to be seen, leaving Mane in acres of space, for the third. Koeman exploited our weaknesses brilliantly and gave Sherwood a lesson. But I suppose we did the same to Sunderland. I fear for us if it goes to the last day, and we'll get mullered in the Final if we play anything like that.
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What the fuck do WM know about football.
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I think we can all guess what happens down at WHL now.
Let's just hope what happens is exactly what Hull fans thought would happen at St Mary's today.
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
Off course they fucking are. They would have found a way to hammer him and the club if we'd won. Pop into the thread and see for yourself.
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New Summer shopping list required
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Come on QPR, Spurs and maybe Leicester.
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Hope Hull don't go in 5-1 up at half time.
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You can't blame sherwood for utterly inept and totally unprofessional defending.
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Vlaar is a useless fucking ******.
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
For what? He put out a squad that's been routinely good over the last few weeks. Players had a 'mare. Don't blame Tim one bit, we're lucky to be 4 points clear. The players need to recognize the magnitude of the situation.
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Vlaar is a really weird player
Capable of playing brilliant for a few games, then having a random utter shocker where he looks laughably shit. Followed by three months out with thigh-knack.
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how the hell do you let a player score a hat trick in 3 minutes. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFS
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We have had one awful 45 mins and alot of good ones . At least he can sort these players out for Burnley and the final.it ain't going to happen again.
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how the hell do you let a player score a hat trick in 3 minutes. FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFS
Record for the PL. Another unwanted record broken by Paul Lambert. Thanks Paul you dumb fuck.
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Vlaar is a really weird player
Capable of playing brilliant for a few games, then having a random utter shocker where he looks laughably shit. Followed by three months out with thigh-knack.
If only we had that stoke point where he fu.cked up.
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Dreadful from start to finish. Outplayed in every department from start to finish. The defence was an absolute shambles. God knows what he needs to do to pick them up after that.
Dreadful from start to finish. Outplayed in every department from start to finish. The defence was an absolute shambles. God knows what he needs to do to pick them up after that.
Yep going to take a hell of a lot to turn us round. We need to hope that Spurs win.
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We have had one awful 45 mins and alot of good ones . At least he can sort these players out for Burnley and the final.it ain't going to happen again.
That's exactly how I'm looking at it. We've seen these players perform really well of late. One bad half hopefully doesn't undo all of that.
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Vlaar is responsible for that. Criminal defending and we lose a game Inside three minutes. Given was poor too, under Longs shot and weak in claiming the first two, but Vlaar is the architect of this utter shit.
You go a goal down then you need to re-group not gift two more goals in the space of a minute. Game gone, fucked.
Why Sherwood messed with the balance at the back I have no idea. Mane turned Hutton inside out.
If we manage to stay up, then we need to spend some serious money on a couple of centre halves and a keeper.
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Well if Hull needed a lift before their game, we certainly provided it.
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I was running a bit late and walking to the pub here in Singapore to watch the game. My phone beeped and I thought the thing was broken - 3.0. So I turned around and went for a curry. Even with my limited viewing of the Villa recently it has been obvious that the marking and defending in general has been shocking. I'll be worried next week if we have to get a result. And the following week, as far as I'm concerned we can park the bus and play for penalties if we win...
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Vlaar is responsible for that. Criminal defending and we lose a game Inside three minutes. Given was poor too, under Longs shot and weak in claiming the first two, but Vlaar is the architect of this utter shit.
You go a goal down then you need to re-group not gift two more goals in the space of a minute. Game gone, fucked.
Why Sherwood messed with the balance at the back I have no idea. Mane turned Hutton inside out.
If we manage to stay up, then we need to spend some serious money on a couple of centre halves and a keeper.
Did he mess with the back 4 though? Richardson wasn't available.
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That means we're going to drop down at least one place.
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I'm concerned that Given is the cup final
keeper now.
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The only positive from today is you can now get better odds for the cup final.
Everything was crap today; tactics, defence and the midfield being utterly pathetic. Credit to Southampton, they know what they're doing and do it very well.
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Vlaar is responsible for that. Criminal defending and we lose a game Inside three minutes. Given was poor too, under Longs shot and weak in claiming the first two, but Vlaar is the architect of this utter shit.
You go a goal down then you need to re-group not gift two more goals in the space of a minute. Game gone, fucked.
Why Sherwood messed with the balance at the back I have no idea. Mane turned Hutton inside out.
If we manage to stay up, then we need to spend some serious money on a couple of centre halves and a keeper.
Did he mess with the back 4 though? Richardson wasn't available.
Yup. That change was imposed on him, but I still think he was way too slow to react when it was clear we were in a mess. It's the worry many had with his appointment, and it was borne out today.
This is not writing sherwood off by any means, but if he takes the credit for good results, he should also bare some of the responsibility when results like this come along.
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The only positive from today is you can now get better odds for the cup final.
Everything was crap today; tactics, defence and the midfield being utterly pathetic. Credit to Southampton, they know what they're doing and do it very well.
Given has played every Cup game thus far, I would hope Tim wouldn't take that away from him now..
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
Why rightly so?
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I wonder what kind of game it would have been if Benteke had put that early chance away, which he should have? That's trying to claw some comfort though, because the defending was woeful.
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Vlaar is responsible for that. Criminal defending and we lose a game Inside three minutes. Given was poor too, under Longs shot and weak in claiming the first two, but Vlaar is the architect of this utter shit.
You go a goal down then you need to re-group not gift two more goals in the space of a minute. Game gone, fucked.
Why Sherwood messed with the balance at the back I have no idea. Mane turned Hutton inside out.
If we manage to stay up, then we need to spend some serious money on a couple of centre halves and a keeper.
Did he mess with the back 4 though? Richardson wasn't available.
Yup. That change was imposed on him, but I still think he was way too slow to react when it was clear we were in a mess. It's the worry many had with his appointment, and it was borne out today.
This is not writing sherwood off by any means, but if he takes the credit for good results, he should also bare some of the responsibility when results like this come along.
Off course. But you can see what not having any natural balance on left does. And even Richardson isn't the answer he's just the best of what we have left. Not sure what he could have done as it happened so fast and every goal came so quickly. But he needs to look at himself also and ask what he could have done more in preparation. I wonder how late a change Richardson was?
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Has Sherwood spoken yet?
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Had a text from a Bury fan at half term. The gist of it was that the one piece of football history that they cling on to is that they hold the biggest winning margin in a FA Cup Final, but he's going to have to treasure it for the next fortnight before it being taken from them by Arsenal...
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I wonder what kind of game it would have been if Benteke had put that early chance away, which he should have? That's trying to claw some comfort though, because the defending was woeful.
He was offside anyway
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Collymore really laying into us on twitter. Says we are deluded.
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That's what happens sometimes if you play really open. Sherwood will have us hammer some teams and get hammered by others, and to be honest I've wanted a manager like that for a few years - if you can't win the league, and you're not going down, then at least have some fun. The trouble is, thanks to their not sacking Lambert earlier, we don't really have the luxury of getting twatted every now and then. Imagine if they'd sacked him one week earlier - does anyone think we might just have got a draw at Hull? Managed that and we'd have been safe by now.
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I wonder what kind of game it would have been if Benteke had put that early chance away, which he should have? That's trying to claw some comfort though, because the defending was woeful.
He was offside anyway
Not according to the linesman, making your point completely irrelevant.
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Collymore really laying into us on twitter. Says we are deluded.
He said the players are deluded.
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The only positive from today is you can now get better odds for the cup final.
Everything was crap today; tactics, defence and the midfield being utterly pathetic. Credit to Southampton, they know what they're doing and do it very well.
Given has played every Cup game thus far, I would hope Tim wouldn't take that away from him now..
Not sure how his or any goalkepper's confidence will be having had 6 put past you. He has great feet but Guzan needs to play next week.
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Ipswich lost 6-1 to us in 1978 just before they won the FA cup against a certain Arsenal, just trying to think positive!!
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What's happened to Cissokho? He was on the bench against Citeh but not seen or heard of him since. Not saying he's the answer to our LB woes but at least he is a left back, unlike Hutton, Lowton, Bacuna and even Richardson.
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The only positive from today is you can now get better odds for the cup final.
Everything was crap today; tactics, defence and the midfield being utterly pathetic. Credit to Southampton, they know what they're doing and do it very well.
Given has played every Cup game thus far, I would hope Tim wouldn't take that away from him now..
I sincerely hope he does!
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Where's Jimmy Rimmer when you need him ?
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I wonder what kind of game it would have been if Benteke had put that early chance away, which he should have? That's trying to claw some comfort though, because the defending was woeful.
He was offside anyway
Not according to the linesman, making your point completely irrelevant.
Not according to R5 which make your point even less relevant
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I wonder what kind of game it would have been if Benteke had put that early chance away, which he should have? That's trying to claw some comfort though, because the defending was woeful.
Saints should've been one up before then though, Pelle was onside and we didn't learn from that.
Our defence got battered, Vlaar and Okore had total shockers and that set the tone, we can't have our defence 40 yards in the pitch in the cup final as we saw today teams that pass and move with pace can just get between our lines.
Our midfield lot didn't turn up today for whatever reason either.
A very bad day at the office no doubt, sort of game you watch in a trance and suddenly wonder at 4-0 after 20 minuted wtf is going on.
Let's not forget the good form for the last 6 weeks previously though. We're still on the right track but today is a reality check no doubt.
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Awful and embarrasssing. We left at half time with many other Villa fans.
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What's Sherwood had to say about it?
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I wonder what kind of game it would have been if Benteke had put that early chance away, which he should have? That's trying to claw some comfort though, because the defending was woeful.
He was offside anyway
Not according to the linesman, making your point completely irrelevant.
Not according to R5 which make your point even less relevant
It doesn't matter what R5 says. Had the ball gone in the net the goal would have stood. That's all that matters.
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desperate, desperate, defending, Vlaar was pathetic, If we stay up or go down that back 4+ the goalkeeper need refreshing.
Hey, but we are Aston Villa and do not do anything easy.
I do not do omens but when were relegated in 66/67 we needed to win our last two games to stay up (or stand a chance of staying up) we lost at home 4-2 to Everton and 6-2 away to Southampton and were relegated.
So not our first tonking on the south coast.
Lets keep the faith and support Spurs (spits on the ground)
After the honeymoon , Tim needs some talent and most of all a couple of leaders in this team next year.
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Quite clear we need a new back 4 and a keeper in the summer.
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I wonder what kind of game it would have been if Benteke had put that early chance away, which he should have? That's trying to claw some comfort though, because the defending was woeful.
He was offside anyway
Not according to the linesman, making your point completely irrelevant.
Not according to R5 which make your point even less relevant
It doesn't matter what R5 says. Had the ball gone in the net the goal would have stood. That's all that matters.
It doesnt matter one jot. He missed
R5 made a point of saying he was saved from embarrassment because he was flagged for offside anyway
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What's Sherwood had to say about it?
Nothing publicly. He's still ripping off his clothing and tossing it on the floor.
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That was absolutely fucking awful.
It was a Lambert performance from start to finish, from front to back.
Where was the energy, the movement and the desire?
I can't help but think back to Hull at home last season when we we beat them before they played in the cup final.
We looked very, very similar and if things don't go well for us later today, I am dreading going into that Burnley game next week needing a result.
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Well. I really enjoyed the update texts from Sox Sports News! Vlaar and Given just seem to be disasters waiting to happen. Far too often with Vlaar in the side we've done these collapses.
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Terrible performance tactically terrible. We are still up to our neck it with the goal difference going against us. All to play for as we can't rely on others.
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a wake up call for the team, the manager and some of the fans. With the players we have we are no more than a middle of the table club.
Some observations:
1. Vlaar cannot play on the left side
2. Okore lacks experience and has a lot to learn
3. Hutton badly affects the rhythm of the team and is too casual. Good at the start of the season as he was solid but should not be in a Sherwood team
4. Suckered by Southampton forward line continually pushing forward offside and then playing it to a late runner
5. N'Zogbia is too hot and cold and mostly cold
6. Gabby should have been busting a gut to get a place in the final side but strolled around generally and rarely looked to get in the box for Benteke's flick-ons
7. Midfield fail to follow midfield runners from deep (other than the one time with Delph)
8. Fullbacks should not stand off the opposition player and then allow the cross (Lowton for the 6th). Need to get tighter.
9. Need to buy good experienced central defender, goalkeeper, quality central midfield player and a 2nd striker that can score goals
10. Very worried if Benteke goes
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These things happen. We're a bottom half of the league football team. We've overperformed for a few weeks and had a bad week. We'll come back from it.
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We're very fragile when it comes to injuries. It only takes a couple to fuck up our form totally. Having Baker and Clark both out at the same time was always going to make things tricky, because those two have been by some distance our best defenders all season. It's weird, because Vlaar only seems to look solid with Clark or Baker alongside him. Those two look rubbish when they play together. And Okore has one game where he looks really very promising, and the next he'll look like a baby elephant that's just been shot with a tranquiliser dart.
The problem today was that every member of the back four individually had an absolute shocker. You can survive with one or even two playing poorly, but when all four go tonto you're just fucked.
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Chadli... I have man love for him right now.
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Have we kicked off yet?
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2-0 Spurs. Time to forget the league now and focus on the final.
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Think we could be safe...!!
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Despite the last 3 hours which didn't actually happen, I think we might be safe.
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I'm on holiday in sunny Dorset. Watched the first 20 mins in an awful pub. Then I left
I know it's easy to say now, but I think you could see we weren't at it within the first five minutes today. We were playing like a pre season friendly and the defence was being turned by really simple balls down the channel
A helpful reminder we need to improve that defence. It's incredible we've been so awful at the back and yet managed to win so many games
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Guzan, Clark and Senderos for the cup final if they can be fit. Okore and Vlaar too slow although the second half was better and at least they kept going. They can't give Arsenal that much space. Lambert's team may have conceded ten.
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Sherwood's comments are quite measured after the game.
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Baker might be back for the final, don't think Clark will be
It does give you that horrible feeling about what they could do to us doesn't it?
Weirdest 6 goal defeat I can remember if we are safe in ten minutes
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Just got back...ok, was it case of us taking foot off the gas as it looks like we are safe? Plus final in mind? Or just shit?
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As first posts go, that's pretty insightful...
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Thank you people for all your worries that may have helped me to be not worried but I must admit when Hull were 0-0 HT I spent half an hour walking like a zombie around B&Q think what if they win! But there we are. Don't give a duck about 6, 7, 8 or whatever it was today we are going to Wembley in an FA CUP FINAL.
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We are safe!
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Yabba dabba fuckin doo...!!!!!!
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match thread? Who gives a shit!
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As first posts go, that's pretty insightful...
May the second post be the same in a couple of week's time
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Thank you very much Top Deck, I was just testing.
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Oddly, today is the best day of our league season. That's very Villa.
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Sherwood will, hopefully, have learnt a lot from today.
That's the type of performance we are capable of & all too often.
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At least Sherwood will be able to reflect on today's performance with a clearer mind now.
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We can almost write today off and think about the bigger picture.
New keeper and centre back are a must IMO.
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Our first game of the season. Last went to St Mary's for the 4-1 three years ago. Will not be returning in a hurry. Bloody great laugh though, and now Spuds have made it meaningless.
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a salutary reminder today of how shit we can be and how much needs to be done in the summer. Interesting few months ahead; in the interim, please finish on a high Villa, with wins against Burnley and Arsenal.
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Great to eventually be safe.
One thing that worries me though is if we defend like that on the 30th then Arsenal can do exactly what the Saints done today and some.
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We can almost write today off and think about the bigger picture.
New keeper and centre back are a must IMO.
I'm easily adding 2 full backs being just as important.
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So out of recent character, perhaps the players are subconsciously holding back with Wembley looming.
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I think today showed that any desire we might have had to keep Vlaar on the books should be gone. He's all too often been a liability and he'll only get worse. On a good day he is a quality player, but he has too many bad days for us to offer him any sort of sentimentality. A new signing to partner Clark is an absolute must.
Full-back needs sorting too. And yes, I think a keeper should be on the horizon too. I do think Guzan can still do the job, but I want someone decent, and younger who will really push him all the way. Given can stay on as 3rd choice for his final year of go and have a year or two in the championship.
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Still think Okore will come good. He's still very young - a lot of potential. Today was just one of those days that happen in football.....
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Agree with that Tom.
I also think we need more variety in midfield. The three in there have been brilliant in recent weeks but they didn't turn up today so the problem with high intensity pressing game is it's impossible to do that for 38 games and today was one of those so I'd rest the midfield next week to give them a proper breather before the final.
We still need more creativity in there I think and we certainly shouldn't be getting rid of Gil without having a look how he does in this formation.
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So do we now rest key players against Burnley to keep them wrapped in cotton wool or play them to try and get today's cack out of the system?
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Play Vlaar and Given and keep them out of the final test Benteke, Delph and Okore.
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I'll give Koeman a bit of credit as well... he played on the fact that our full backs leaves acres of space at the back and that Vlaar is one paced (slow) and exploited it.
But we were still just woeful, off the pace, no desire....thought we were safe already?
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Rest those playing with an injury, including okore
It's hard other than that. I think we'll rest a few but I can see the loss of momentum being a risk
Probably:
Guzan - Hutton senderos baker Richardson - Sanchez cleverly - nzogbia grealish Sinclair - gabby
For some reason I have in my mind that Gardner can't play but Robinson can. That doesn't seem to make sense though!
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Robinson wasn't classed as a season long loan, is how I think it works.
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Glad Sherwood was able to see the problems we have against teams the can pass and move. Hopefully lessons will have been learnt for May 30th... Better it happen today than at Wembley...
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Can we have a big resounding song of Aston, villa ,Aston Villa , we will support you ever more, we will support you ever more
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Typical of this weird season that after weeks of good performances without managing to pull away we turn in a calamity like that but are now safe.
Now that it is settled, that absolutely has to be the last time they put us through that.
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Good point LV, hopefully a lesson has been learnt today.
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...and breathe!
Oh how I'm looking forward to the Burnley game. Father, son and grandsons in attendance. Proud day for me, regardless. Come on you Lions.
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In 58 years of supporting Villa, this is without doubt the most strangest day I've known. Got hammered 6-1 and I'm feeling ecstatic
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Jesus that was terrible. Well we are up, but oh boy, we got taken apart, tactically for a start. Bit too open today Tim.
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I still wonder what would have happened if Benteke could have buried that first chance just before the fall from grace commenced...
...I doubt we would have reverted to Paul Lamberts whipping boys for sure. But that is in the rear mirror though.
Still the result makes one ponder the finish. Is this team capable to upset Arsenal and get the first FA Trophy since the 30ies?
If that happens, will TS view the European cups diffrently then MON and PL did? Will the owners (current or future) expand the squad to handle the same gameload as the Top Clubs?
I hope it will happen. I want to see Aston Villa to win trophies again, its overdue! Not to mention that with a win on Wembly we will be one of 7 teams that play in Europe next season.
Despite Paul Lambert killing the creativity of the players.
Despite Andy Learner trying to starve us to death in the transfer windows
Despite Roy Keane abusing the squad.
So lets bounce back and finish on a very unlikely high May 30th!
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Wondering if they've been trying out some different stuff in training for the Cup which has backfired today. It's strange to see a group of lately very confident and accomplished players lose it so comprehensively!
It also seems that Richardson may do more than people give him credit for, when he's there.
Thank you, Spurs!
And Tim, of course. He was probably stunned but whatever he said at half time stemmed the tide, at least. Without the last few weeks, there wouldn't have been the slightest chance of having a mare but still staying in the PL.
Roll on the Cup!
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Well let's hope that disgrace of a performane was a one off. It doesn't matter now.
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...and breathe!
Oh how I'm looking forward to the Burnley game. Father, son and grandsons in attendance. Proud day for me, regardless. Come on you Lions.
That's brilliant Dave and have a great day. I am taking some youngsters from the family to get them into the Villa.
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Never liked early games. How many times do we fail to turn up.
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Never liked early games. How many times do we fail to turn up.
I remember way back when we took a 5-0 tonking at Leicester. That was an early game I think.
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One of the pullouts in the papers today had a montage of previous games of Southampton-Villa. Showed my Dad it at half time as the 87 5-0 game we were 4-0 down at half time according to it.
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
Why rightly so?
They pointed out Sherwood said a few weeks ago that this team didn't need major surgery.
Today proves it needs a big overhaul. I dislike WM, but in this instance they're right
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My fellow Villains what a strange weird day, I had talked myself into relegation between our humiliation and the Spurs kick off, I feel completely drained emotionally and physically, my dream of finishing above the bitter birds has gone but it matters not as I can now dream of an 8th F A Cup knowing we are safe, I love you all.
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
Why rightly so?
They pointed out Sherwood said a few weeks ago that this team didn't need major surgery.
Today proves it needs a big overhaul. I dislike WM, but in this instance they're right
How does it prove it needs a major overhaul? You weren't saying that after we beat Liverpool, or Everton or West Ham. We outplayed Man City too. Nobody is saying we don't need to strengthen. We don't need a major overhaul at all. Today proved that we can have really bad days. All teams have them.
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
Why rightly so?
They pointed out Sherwood said a few weeks ago that this team didn't need major surgery.
Today proves it needs a big overhaul. I dislike WM, but in this instance they're right
No they're not, they're just being WM.
What big 'overhaul' do you suggest?
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
Why rightly so?
They pointed out Sherwood said a few weeks ago that this team didn't need major surgery.
Today proves it needs a big overhaul. I dislike WM, but in this instance they're right
No they're not, they're just being WM.
What big 'overhaul' do you suggest?
I'd suggest we certainly need a big shape up at the back. We still concede too many goals and today they looked like they'd only met in the tunnel beforehand.
If we get into the Europa League, we'll definitely need to boost the sqaud.
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
Why rightly so?
They pointed out Sherwood said a few weeks ago that this team didn't need major surgery.
Today proves it needs a big overhaul. I dislike WM, but in this instance they're right
How does it prove it needs a major overhaul? You weren't saying that after we beat Liverpool, or Everton or West Ham. We outplayed Man City too. Nobody is saying we don't need to strengthen. We don't need a major overhaul at all. Today proved that we can have really bad days. All teams have them.
Indeed. It's always struck me how people will ignore a whole host of good results and seize on a bad one, in order to show that everything's fucked and must be changed. Today was awful, but under Sherwood we're going to give batterings and take batterings. So long as we're safe I'm okay with that - in fact, it's a massive improvement on what we're used to!
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Is this team capable to upset Arsenal and get the first FA Trophy since the 30ies?
It's almost like 1957 didn't happen...
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We need a defence. A left back, a right back to compete with Hutton and definitely one but ideally two central defenders.
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Poor performance today but had Benteke scored that chance early on, one never knows what might happen. I am embarrassed by the score but things like this often happen and the rails come off. A wake up call not to get too cocky about being safe and thinking we can just turn up and win. We're safe, that's all that matters. Today showed me that we need to boost the defence. Shit happens. At least Benteke scored again. 15! Wow.
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
Why rightly so?
They pointed out Sherwood said a few weeks ago that this team didn't need major surgery.
Today proves it needs a big overhaul. I dislike WM, but in this instance they're right
A few weeks ago no manager would say the team needed major surgery with the situation as it was. Sherwood has built confidence since he came here. Making any other comment would have shattered it. He may believe that it does need a major overhaul but he will not say anything until after the final.
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having a one paced back line doesn't us give much protection when we defend so high up the pitch. We were undone so often by the ball over the top and either deep runners, their forwards pulling away from Okore and Vlaar, or just getting behind the full-backs. Added to that some embarrassing rank bad defending and we were there for a hammering which was duly given.
Grealish looked tired, no surprise, and will have the benefit of a week off. maybe start him and give him an hour but why risk him. Sinclair and Gabby to start. Senderos and Guzan too. Hopefully Baker can make the bench because he gives us a bit of pace at the back. What we need to remember against Arsenal is that the hgih line will catch us for different reasons so winning the ball in the air isn't going to be that much of an issue. oh, and Burnley will be N'Zogbia's audition for a Cup Final spot.
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Just back from the game.
First trip to Southampton, and I'd put it right up there with Fulham and Norwich as my favourite away game. Easy to get to from London, the locals were all good-humoured and generous with their best wishes for Wembley, and the weather was glorious. And having celebrated our safety on the train back, it all felt rather zen-like by the end.
The less said about the ninety minutes of abso-f*cking-lute dross in the middle the better. Vlaar and Okore as a partnership is always a disaster waiting to happen. I'm praying for Senderos to be fit for next week.
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We've managed to stay up and everything, but that was completely unacceptable.
Tim got sussed today, big time.
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Just back from the game.
First trip to Southampton, and I'd put it right up there with Fulham and Norwich as my favourite away game. Easy to get to from London, the locals were all good-humoured and generous with their best wishes for Wembley, and the weather was glorious. And having celebrated our safety on the train back, it all felt rather zen-like by the end.
The less said about the ninety minutes of abso-f*cking-lute dross in the middle the better. Vlaar and Okore as a partnership is always a disaster waiting to happen. I'm praying for Senderos to be fit for next week.
Agreed, thought their "are you on holiday" in response to our "is this a library" was good.
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We've managed to stay up and everything, but that was completely unacceptable.
Tim got sussed today, big time.
One game!
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We've managed to stay up and everything, but that was completely unacceptable.
Tim got sussed today, big time.
His four defenders all had a mare, that's all. When they score 3 goals in 2 minutes because of defensive fuck ups, I'm not sure tactics really come into it.
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1981, last day of the season, lost 2-0 to the Arse but won the First Division Championship for the first time in 70 years, surreal. Went on to win the European Cup.
Lost today 6-1 and avoided relegation, again surreal. Cup Final coming up in a couple of weeks time. Do you wanna bet against us?
Come on you Lions!
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I just can't believe how often we have these collapses. Far too often we concede and fall apart and the game is lost within a few minutes.
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We've managed to stay up and everything, but that was completely unacceptable.
Tim got sussed today, big time.
His four defenders all had a mare, that's all. When they score 3 goals in 2 minutes because of defensive fuck ups, I'm not sure tactics really come into it.
I thought we were completely out-fought and out-thought all over the pitch and the manager's tactics were exposed. We did not turn up and he didn't change anything.
At the same time, if it were not for Sherwood bringing some adventure to our play, we would have been down three weeks ago. However, he was sussed today.
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I just can't believe how often we have these collapses. Far too often we concede and fall apart and the game is lost within a few minutes.
If this was a commentary during Lambert's tenure I'd agree but it's the first time it has happened under Sherwood. I thought would happen vs Man City but it didn't. Today was just a bloody nightmare on all levels and it happened so fast I don't think anyone know what to do. We've all played the game at some level and sometimes when it starts to go to shit it's like being hit by a massive right hook. You just see stars and can't dodge the left that is following up.
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What happened to the Villa who "outplayed and outfought" Liverpool at Wembley only 4 weeks ago?...
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What happened to the Villa who "outplayed and outfought" Liverpool at Wembley only 4 weeks ago?...
We had an off day away from home against a very good side. Sh*t happens.
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I just can't believe how often we have these collapses. Far too often we concede and fall apart and the game is lost within a few minutes.
If this was a commentary during Lambert's tenure I'd agree but it's the first time it has happened under Sherwood. I thought would happen vs Man City but it didn't. Today was just a bloody nightmare on all levels and it happened so fast I don't think anyone know what to do. We've all played the game at some level and sometimes when it starts to go to shit it's like being hit by a massive right hook. You just see stars and can't dodge the left that is following up.
But it's the same professional footballers it happens to. A pasting is one thing, that can happen to pretty much every side, it's the collapses in a pretty short time that i'm on about. There's been too many times it's happened to these players to be purely down to a manager/tactics.
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Let's hope that was our 'bad' game out of the way in time for the FA Cup Final. I really had to show calmness and restraint today when trying to be wound up by assorted bluenoses who were on the same course as me.
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Today we wanted one thing and we got it.
SAFE
Move on,sleep easy tonight and enjoy the next 2 weeks.
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I just can't believe how often we have these collapses. Far too often we concede and fall apart and the game is lost within a few minutes.
If this was a commentary during Lambert's tenure I'd agree but it's the first time it has happened under Sherwood. I thought would happen vs Man City but it didn't. Today was just a bloody nightmare on all levels and it happened so fast I don't think anyone know what to do. We've all played the game at some level and sometimes when it starts to go to shit it's like being hit by a massive right hook. You just see stars and can't dodge the left that is following up.
But it's the same professional footballers it happens to. A pasting is one thing, that can happen to pretty much every side, it's the collapses in a pretty short time that i'm on about. There's been too many times it's happened to these players to be purely down to a manager/tactics.
Oh if you're pointing out this lot are mentally fragile, I won't disagree. In fact I think that's one of the things that has surprised me recently is that they were like beaten dogs when Sherwood found them yet we have found ways to become stronger very quickly. But there is still a fragility about them that's for sure but overall it has gotten a lot better.
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Southampton caught us out repeatedly with a ball over the top. They sussed that our defence is slow to turn, and exploited it brilliantly. I noticed very early on that Ron Vlaar was having to concentrate so hard on running fast enough to defend, that he couldn't even look up! Nathan Baker is due back and has been a player that is better at this - in these situations he wears an expression on his face that tells you is is absolutely certain he is going to make that ball his. I hope he is back soon.
That said, Arsenal won't play like that even if they think of it, and I no longer care what Burnley do! (Well I do a bit!)
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That will only improve in the transfer market and one of the things Sherwood alluded to when he first came in. Not enough 'leaders'. The back 4 are very quiet and nobody to roll up their sleeves and give a rollicking on the pitch when needed.
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Today's result could be a huge blessing in disguise because I'd wager Arsenal have been planning to go at us in exactly the same way.
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I thought we looked good until they scored. A relief to be safe but a reminder that there's lots of work to be done in the summer. What hurts a lot is the fact the boggies will now finish above us. Simply unacceptable for our club
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Quote of the day at around 1.15pm: "It's not that you really don't want to know the score. Or even you really, really don't want to know the score. Not even you really, really, really don't want to know the score. It's more that you really, really, really, really don't want to know the score."
At about 1.25pm, I left my half-eaten dinner and went for a walk outside to calm down a bit.
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Just got home. Complete and utter horse shit. Play 11 reserves next week and spend a fortnight sorting them out, Tim.
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C'mon Des, I feel your pain, Long journey and all but you're one of the most positive on here. Bathe in the relief, you deserve it.
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I thought we played like a team who had their mind on a F A Cup final .As someone mentioned earlier ,we played like Hull did against us last season just before their cup final.
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Yes I do wonder if they thought they were safe already. They shouldn't have done.
As Koeman said, we played an absurdly high line and left loads of space behind us and you have to punish that. It's only workable if you apply a lot of pressure on the ball.
Let's just hope it's one of those things. Might have been a timely reminder not to be complacent in two weeks or over the Summer
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Absolutely atrocious performance, but do you know what, we're safe and I honestly think this will be the last time we have to fight against relegation for many a year. Let's put this league season behind us and go into next season in the Premier League as FA Cup holders.
We can do it!
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Fans were amazing players were embarrassing.
Fans were mostly pissed up and sunburnt
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I diverted into Swindon Designer Outlet to avoid listening to Spurs v Hull on the car radio. Bought clothes that I probably didn't need but it was better than being stressed out on the motorway. Retail therapy does work
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The best two things about today:
1. Staying up
2. All the sunburned faces on the coach home
In fact, those could be in either order. Brilliant
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Yes I do wonder if they thought they were safe already. They shouldn't have done.
As Koeman said, we played an absurdly high line and left loads of space behind us and you have to punish that. It's only workable if you apply a lot of pressure on the ball.
Let's just hope it's one of those things. Might have been a timely reminder not to be complacent in two weeks or over the Summer
Yeah I thought the same. It had a happy ending but todays results could have been very ugly if the other teams around us hadn't been so utterly crap as well.
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M'kay, that was shit.
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I'd play Senderos against Burnley and if he plays well* put him in ahead of Spongey Ron for the final.
(* actually, if he plays not crap will do)
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Lowlights (http://hoofoot.com/?match=Southampton_6_-_1_Aston_Villa_2015_05_16)
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The only positives , that's surely our bad game out the way now. I'd rest the big guns and play fringe players next week who will all be praying and hoping for a cup final position.
Today also should seal Vlaars fate in terms of he needs to leave this summer, let someone else pay him £10m over 4 years, he simply ain't worth it.
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Got to say, I was absolutely shocked at the lack of a burst of pace from Okore on the turn !
Ok, I've always thought Vlaar is shit, but always thought Okore promising.
I'm very concerned, I wonder if his knee injury is slowing him down.
All in all, a very miserable performance, Given must be out for the next two games.
I'd bring Senderos n Baker back for next week with Sinclair instead of Grealish.
Grealish was frustrated today, kept getting hacked down whilst running in circles.. He needs to go forward and attack the player.
Why on earth did I choose the villa, fucking given me 29 years of stress 😜
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The Scottish Cafu can never be asked to play left back again. He didn't seemed to gave a clue where to run. If he'd just jogged back into the box he'd have been able to clear the one save that Shay pushed out
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The Scottish Cafu can never be asked to play left back again. He didn't seemed to gave a clue where to run. If he'd just jogged back into the box he'd have been able to clear the one save that Shay pushed out
two right footed players playing on the left looked exactly as we all thought two right footed players playing on the left would look like.
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You learn more in defeat than victory so that will hopefully help Sherwood take a long hard look at how we set up against Arsenal.
Bringing us back down to earth may not be a bad thing.
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Okore definitely surprised me with his lack of speed today - I'm sure I've seen him zipping about the place much more quickly than that before. Maybe he is carrying an injury of some sort, or maybe I've not seen him up against such pace today. Either way, I still think he's a good player who could become a real asset in the coming years, so I hope there's no thoughts of him leaving over the summer. I actually thought he and Clark looked a really promising pair when they played together.
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
And your point is?
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Vlaar is responsible for that. Criminal defending and we lose a game Inside three minutes. Given was poor too, under Longs shot and weak in claiming the first two, but Vlaar is the architect of this utter shit.
You go a goal down then you need to re-group not gift two more goals in the space of a minute. Game gone, fucked.
Why Sherwood messed with the balance at the back I have no idea. Mane turned Hutton inside out.
If we manage to stay up, then we need to spend some serious money on a couple of centre halves and a keeper.
Did he mess with the back 4 though? Richardson wasn't available.
Yup. That change was imposed on him, but I still think he was way too slow to react when it was clear we were in a mess. It's the worry many had with his appointment, and it was borne out today.
This is not writing sherwood off by any means, but if he takes the credit for good results, he should also bare some of the responsibility when results like this come along.
Bear.
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Collymore really laying into us on twitter. Says we are deluded.
You've misunderstood; he meant you for paying credence to WM.
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Tonight feels weird. Listening to commentary in my car on R5, driving somewhere new, every time the phone map function thingy interrupted the radio to give directions it felt like they'd scored when radio coverage resumed. On the return journey, sans map function, it sounded like Hull were inevitably going to score. But obviously didn't. Can hardly believe a 6-1 defeat and relegation avoided on the same day.
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Awful and embarrasssing. We left at half time with many other Villa fans.
So that's three-and-a-half times you've seen the Villa this season, Richard. I'd stick to Saturday afternoon shopping in Chichester with your wife and daughters if I were you.
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Some good news, we are first up on Motd .
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Some good news, we are first up on Motd .
Great.
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Watching the Villa, it's like watching Brazil!
(especially the first thirty minutes)
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
And your point is?
Sherwood is not responsible for players making basic, fundamental mistakes. The team hasn't changed a great deal over the last few weeks, so, by now, they should all know their jobs. It's a one off. Crap, embarrassing and a potential turning point had the teams around us not lost, but, to blame Sherwood is harsh. Unfortunately, given the injuries and the lack of buying power due to coming to the club after the window closed, Sherwood is hamstrung and HAS to pick these defenders.
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Some good news, we are first up on Motd .
Great.
Pains me to say it, but at least we're sharing the limelight with Stevie Gee.
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Some good news, we are first up on Motd .
Naturally. The BBC commentary was gleefully saying our thrashing would be first up on MOTD even during the match.
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Wonder if fans who paid to go today will get a refund ?
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WM quite rightly hammering Sherwood
And your point is?
Sherwood is not responsible for players making basic, fundamental mistakes. The team hasn't changed a great deal over the last few weeks, so, by now, they should all know their jobs. It's a one off. Crap, embarrassing and a potential turning point had the teams around us not lost, but, to blame Sherwood is harsh. Unfortunately, given the injuries and the lack of buying power due to coming to the club after the window closed, Sherwood is hamstrung and HAS to pick these defenders.
Exactly, Newby. I think today will turn out to be a blessing in disguise and, in some ways, it was a freak result, albeit against a very accomplished Southampton side. At least Sherwood will now know that Vlaar is not fit to ever again wear a Villa shirt and that it is risky to play a central defender carrying an injury (Okore). It's to be hoped that Baker and Senderos are soon fit, albeit with the length of time the latter has been out it's surely a risk to bring him in on the 30th.
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http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2015/05/16/koeman-reveals-the-aston-villa-tactic-southampton-punished/
So then how do we counter this against Arsenal - they will murder us if we play this high in two weeks.
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Awful and embarrasssing. We left at half time with many other Villa fans.
VTID!
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We're very fragile when it comes to injuries. It only takes a couple to fuck up our form totally. Having Baker and Clark both out at the same time was always going to make things tricky, because those two have been by some distance our best defenders all season. It's weird, because Vlaar only seems to look solid with Clark or Baker alongside him. Those two look rubbish when they play together. And Okore has one game where he looks really very promising, and the next he'll look like a baby elephant that's just been shot with a tranquiliser dart.
The problem today was that every member of the back four individually had an absolute shocker. You can survive with one or even two playing poorly, but when all four go tonto you're just fucked.
I'll hazard a guess that Clark/Baker look dodgy for same reason Okore/Vlaar look like Sunday League amateurs today.
Someone playing on their "wrong side" with an inexperienced player alongside.
Clark/Baker always looked worse than dodgy as they were both inexperienced with horribly exposed fullbacks on either side.
Okore/Vlaar looked worse today with Hutton at left back, leaving holes everywhere.
Okore/Clark or Vlaar/Clark or Baker have looked pretty decent because the balance is right, especially with 2 players playing fullback on their natural sides.
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How many has Shane Long scored against us now !
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How many has Shane Long scored against us now !
Why does he turn into Messi when he plays us?
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I don't get it: how can one of the form teams of the PL lose so badly to a team that's lost recently to Leicester, Sunderland and even the baggies not so long ago?
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Wonder if fans who paid to go today will get a refund ?
Depends if they would pay double if we won 6-1.
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Wonder if fans who paid to go today will get a refund ?
Why would they?
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Firstly the fans made a long trip and deserved better. Even if you watch that 10 times you don't know how such a hat trick can happen. And if you play that match 10 times such a scoreline in first half is not normal too happen. The problem in complacency for a point needed was apparent and unfortunately undid the villa and match as a contest. This is far the most disappointing result under Sherwood and it does raise a question during the week on preparation and the tired team selection. Sherwood should be embrasssed by that first half today. The motivational issue for the game was clearly lost on all apart from the superb fans.
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I said the other day I wasn't bothered if vlaar stayed. Even more so now I hope he goes, he was slow and fucking useless. Sherwood can't be blamed for the defensive calamity but Given is finished. Get rid of most of the defence, we stated with a high line, why the fuck did we stick with it. Only positive is that we're safe. Please please don't do that shit in the final x
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I don't get it: how can one of the form teams of the PL lose so badly to a team that's lost recently to Leicester, Sunderland and even the baggies not so long ago?
Because it's a funny old game
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just a thought....if you can lose 6-1 and still avoid relegation then somebody up there must be looking out for us
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Wonder if fans who paid to go today will get a refund ?
Why would they?
Because it's been done before and I think the players should cough up today. It would be a nice gesture for all the brilliant support all season.
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The whole performance was crap, midfield gave it away non stop. Defence was useless and even the sub's were hopeless when they came on
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Wonder if fans who paid to go today will get a refund ?
Why would they?
Because it's been done before and I think the players should cough up today. It would be a nice gesture for all the brilliant support all season.
What about all the other times people have paid to see us play badly in the last few years?
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I want my money back for the Leyton Orient game!
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I want my money back for Leicester away, October 1984, with inflation taken into account.
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If they gave me back the money for all the really shit Villa performances i've paid to see, with inflation and interest i'd be the new owner of Aston Villa!
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This is where the Villa team stayed last night: http://www.grandharbourhotel.co.uk; I was in the Holiday Inn opposite. Talking to a Southampton fan post office worker in the hotel car park this morning he jokingly said he'd just been to the Grand Harbour and poisoned the players' breakfast. After the performance I'm beginning to wonder if he was joking!
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Used to be a De Vere, not sure if still is. Stayed there a fair few times. Nice hotel.
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Used to be a De Vere, not sure if still is. Stayed there a fair few times. Nice hotel.
Correct, but it's now independently owned, with a major refurb last year. Looked much better than the Holiday Inn!!
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Used to be a De Vere, not sure if still is. Stayed there a fair few times. Nice hotel.
Correct, but it's now independently owned, with a major refurb last year. Looked much better than the Holiday Inn!!
You should have used the premier inn Southampton City centre, it's just had a full refurb.
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Defending like we did today I'm worried Chelsea might pull us part in the Community Shield.
Football's a roller-coaster ride like life. Lows are followed by highs, then by lows again. Just see it as fun.
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I hope we get the yellow car park for the Charity Shield.
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Awful and embarrasssing. We left at half time with many other Villa fans.
So that's three-and-a-half times you've seen the Villa this season, Richard. I'd stick to Saturday afternoon shopping in Chichester with your wife and daughters if I were you.
...or watching rugby.
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It's already been said but we may need a complete new defence, plus a keeper for next season. I think we've seen enough of those who didn't play today to realise that it's an area for concern. There's a lack of pace and they all have entries in the catalogue of unforced errors over the past seasons.
I think the mad 3 minutes shell shocked them all but notwithstanding the awful result, at least Sherwood has brought back hope and entertainment for which I am grateful.
It was noticeable that some of the most vocal fans who seemed more interested in goading the home fans were the first to desert at 3 and 4 down.
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I want my money back for Oldham v Villa in the cup
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Keep your receipts lads I've emailed Tom Fox.
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Awful and embarrasssing. We left at half time with many other Villa fans.
VTID!
VTHT
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Awful and embarrasssing. We left at half time with many other Villa fans.
VTID!
VTHT
Brilliant!
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We were fucking awful today. Fortunately it doesn't matter and hopefully we can learn a big lesson. No complacency from now on.
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It's already been said but we may need a complete new defence, plus a keeper for next season. I think we've seen enough of those who didn't play today to realise that it's an area for concern. There's a lack of pace and they all have entries in the catalogue of unforced errors over the past seasons.
I think the mad 3 minutes shell shocked them all but notwithstanding the awful result, at least Sherwood has brought back hope and entertainment for which I am grateful.
It was noticeable that some of the most vocal fans who seemed more interested in goading the home fans were the first to desert at 3 and 4 down.
I thought the Southampton fans were good value for their witty retorts today. I particularly liked their half-time chants of: 'richard, richard moore; you depart when you're down by four.
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I see Delph has apologized as well as tekkers. Delph looked pretty gutted. Good lad.
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I said the other day I wasn't bothered if vlaar stayed. Even more so now I hope he goes, he was slow and fucking useless. Sherwood can't be blamed for the defensive calamity but Given is finished. Get rid of most of the defence, we stated with a high line, why the fuck did we stick with it. Only positive is that we're safe. Please please don't do that shit in the final x
Whilst I agree, Vlaar is too slow and unpredictable (and permanently injured), and our defence in general looks poor, I struggle to totally absolve Sherwood of blame for the high line thing.
Surely it isn't something the players just decided on themselves?
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Awful and embarrasssing. We left at half time with many other Villa fans.
VTID!
VTHT
Arf!
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I see Delph has apologized as well as tekkers. Delph looked pretty gutted. Good lad.
At the end he just stood and applauded our support for ages in a 'I could stand here forever and clap at how brilliant you lot are and it still wouldn't be long enough' kind of way.
After the game I felt really calm, like the disaster I'd been waiting for had happened and it wasn't the end. A weird calmness descended on me. I didn't quite expect everything to turn out alright so quickly, but by the end of the game, I felt alright. People around me were smiling, like we already knew. It was an odd thing.
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As posted before 78, Ipswich lost 6-1 in their last away game (at villa ) before lifting the fa cup v arsenal.
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I thought we looked like a March MON team, tired and fatigued. Maybe not surprising TS has got a lot of high energy performances out of them over the last couple of months and has recently played the same players.
We have 2 weeks to get the team, defence and fitness sorted out, the Burnley game is irrelevant except to be used as part of the build up to Wembley.
We are safe and have a cup final to look forward too.
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I thought we looked like a March MON team, tired and fatigued. Maybe not surprising TS has got a lot of high energy performances out of them over the last couple of months and has recently played the same players.
We have 2 weeks to get the team, defence and fitness sorted out, the Burnley game is irrelevant except to be used as part of the build up to Wembley.
We are safe and have a cup final to look forward too.
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I thought there were signs of that in the second half against West Ham last week. I don't think there is any need to panic and hopefully it was just a freak result. I think talk of a whole new back four and keeper is a little unrealistic, but a new CB and LB must rank pretty highly.
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I see Delph has apologized as well as tekkers. Delph looked pretty gutted. Good lad.
At the end he just stood and applauded our support for ages in a 'I could stand here forever and clap at how brilliant you lot are and it still wouldn't be long enough' kind of way.
After the game I felt really calm, like the disaster I'd been waiting for had happened and it wasn't the end. A weird calmness descended on me. I didn't quite expect everything to turn out alright so quickly, but by the end of the game, I felt alright. People around me were smiling, like we already knew. It was an odd thing.
Thats awesome.
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I think it is a really interesting observation that this team under Sherwood has put in an incredible effort to haul themselves away from the relegation zone given where we were and very much headed. Maybe that is a part of today. That having expended all of that energy they just simply shit the bed and made mistakes that they haven't been making in recent weeks. At least not so many in succession. Even the manager hinted at at it by saying the team he saw today was unrecognizable from what he has come to know and given what they have put in over the past few weeks he simply couldn't blast them for 45 very bad minutes. Like everyone we just hope today is one of those things and with the relegation now avoided they can have a really good week of training, put in a solid display versus Burnley and head to the cup final in good spirits and bring home the trophy.
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6-1 though?
Fucking hell
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As posted before 78, Ipswich lost 6-1 in their last away game (at villa ) before lifting the fa cup v arsenal.
I was at that game and if my ailing memory serves me well they played a number of stiffs, notably in goal (Laurie Sivell?)
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Pretty much everything has been said already on this thread...a very strange day. Delighted to avoid relegation but very pissed off with the performance and result.
The only consolation I take from the day is that I've said previously that I wouldn't be comfortable going into the FA Cup Final on an unbeaten run as we'd be over due a defeat...at least this result gives the players a degree of perspective and removes any complacency.
I felt Grealish looked tired and leggy at times against West Ham and again today, so with that in mind, I'd now take the opportunity to rest a few key players and anyone carrying knocks. We've got 2 weeks to turn todays shambles around and put in the performance of their lives on the world stage.
Fuck 'em up, get into 'em!
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'Fun' fact of the day. Mane scored more league goals in less than 3 minutes today than we did in the final 10 league games under Lambert.
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Well, it's over. We're safe and we have 2 weeks to keep players fit, get this defeat out of the system on the training ground and work out how we're going to cope with Arsenal and their plethora of attacking talent with whatever back four we have available. Mr Sherwood this is where you earn your crust pal. Villa Park will be rocking against Burnley.
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I was a Spurs fan until they scored the 2nd goal.
Hopefully that 6-1 Mane-ing was an one-off. Beat Burnley and then the Arse, all will be forgiven.
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6-1 though?
Fucking hell
What are you on about? Did something happen yesterday? All I know is we were safe after the games and now getting ready for Fabian's both arms holding aloft a trophy at 7.30 PM on May 30.
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One of those days, but we're staying up that was the main target when Tim took over. We also have a cup final to look forward to. So today instead of being down on the result I am celebrating that we aren't going to be relegated and hopefully two weeks from now we will be celebrating a cup win.
If you had asked me in February for where we are now I would have taken it.
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Tim has done a brilliant job in only 3 months. He's rekindled my enthusiasm again - Lambert had all but drained the life out of the players and fans. I think some players were either carrying knocks or running on empty; there's also an element of perhaps holding back and not wanting to get injured for the big day in a couple of weeks. I think we'll see a far different performance at Wembley - more like the Liverpool semi.
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Did'nt enjoy being a Spurs fan for 90 minutes today(apart from the result of course), am happy to get back to detesting them again.
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I love a good marathon song. Yesterday's was sweary, but succinct.
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One of my best mates is a Spurs fan so, I now need to offer my sincere thanks to him as we really didn't want to go into next weeks game still needing a result.
I was a season ticket holder until about 5 years ago but, gave it up as frankly I was bored with our style of play. However, yesterday, I decided as TS has bought all my enthusiasm back with his brand of football, I'm now the proud owner of a 2015/16 season ticket and, excited our prospects for next season.
UTV!!
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One of my best mates is a Spurs fan so, I now need to offer my sincere thanks to him as we really didn't want to go into next weeks game still needing a result.
I was a season ticket holder until about 5 years ago but, gave it up as frankly I was bored with our style of play. However, yesterday, I decided as TS has bought all my enthusiasm back with his brand of football, I'm now the proud owner of a 2015/16 season ticket and, excited our prospects for next season.
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Excellent and welcome!
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Awful and embarrasssing. We left at half time with many other Villa fans.
So that's three-and-a-half times you've seen the Villa this season, Richard. I'd stick to Saturday afternoon shopping in Chichester with your wife and daughters if I were you.
...or watching rugby.
The rugby is a good shout - the Premiership has been far and away more exciting than the Premier League this season - but not the shopping. Tending my lovely garden would have been the other option. As it was, we went back to Yates and watched it on the TV until the sixth went in and then sprinted for the train to avoid having to take the mockery from their fans.
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However, yesterday, I decided as TS has bought all my enthusiasm back with his brand of football, I'm now the proud owner of a 2015/16 season ticket and, excited our prospects for next season.
UTV!!
Welcome skerra and well done for buying the season ticket but don't be fickle supporting the Villa is not for pleasure but mostly pain😂
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Astonishing to think we can have 65% possession and get thumped 6-1. Just highlights how awful our defending was. I am hoping it was because of injuries and a bad day. My worry is that Koeman completely outfoxed Tim and Wenger will have observed carefully
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It wasn't a tactical thing it was just a shocking performance.
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Those first three goals and the manner in which we conceded probably made Southampton look better than they were. I mean we put it on a plate for them. After that they cruised and picked us off. I think had we gone 1-0 you would not have seen a Southampton playing with such freedom. I think we made it easy for them to get up to top gear because lets face it they've been poor for months now. Vlaar and to a lesser extent Okore just fell totally apart and gave the opposition an almighty confidence boost. We were unlucky in a few ricochets with the goals. Given saves, it hits Hutton and goes into the path of Mane. Vlaars backpass for another was just utterly horrendous.
In the space of 3 minutes you find yourself 3-0 down. The players never recovered and the defence looked edgy all game.
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Astonishing to think we can have 65% possession and get thumped 6-1. Just highlights how awful our defending was. I am hoping it was because of injuries and a bad day. My worry is that Koeman completely outfoxed Tim and Wenger will have observed carefully
Don't worry Wenger never sees anything ...
Impressions don't come across well on forums (I" didn't seeeeee eeit")
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It wasn't a tactical thing it was just a shocking performance.
It was a bit of both. Mostly individuals but we've been getting lucky with that offside trap for a while. We can't do that against arsenal. I doubt they'll play as much into the channels but they could cause us massive problems with runners from midfield
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Lovely Weather
Great parking spot
Spoke to many Dorset based Villa Fans
Spurs 2 - Hull 0
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If Okore wasn't fit (as Tim Sherwood has suggested)why did he not play Senderos with Vlaar. They were a very decent combination at the beginning of the season. Ron Vlaar, unfortunately, has done this before as we all know but in the final he will more than likely turn it on again.
Just awful but might work in our favour if Wenger or his players now think they are in for an easy ride come May 30th.
Tim's Burnley selection could be very crucial and possibly quite interesting.
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Ola, you're spot on there mate. I've been a Villa supporter for many years.It started in about 1965 when I was living in Northants. One of our teachers had moved to Enfield and, he invited my school team to go down and play against his old club then to go to WHL to see Spurs v Aston Villa. It was the name that first captured my imagination but, I was the only one supporting the Villa-you can imagine the abuse I got at half time as we were 1-5 down. Then we pulled it back to 5-5 and should have scored again in the last couple of minutes.
As luck would have it, I came to live in Brum since I was 20y.o. and, have had my fair share of the Villa ups and downs over the years but, as is said, you can change your Wife but not the football team you love!!
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Wonder if fans who paid to go today will get a refund ?
My mate would be pleased. He only bought a ticket for the booking history and didn't even go.
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It wasn't a tactical thing it was just a shocking performance.
This. Just dreadful errors. Even the Long shot should have been preventable and saveable.
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It wasn't a tactical thing it was just a shocking performance.
This. Just dreadful errors. Even the Long shot should have been preventable and saveable.
Not sure how a keeper can do much, westwood inexplicably lost the ball and before you could say "fuck sake" the ball is sailing into the back of the net
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Who was the fat twat on the mic at half time giving it big one?
Southampton, pft, bloody rent a crowd.
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I think Sherwood should shoulder a bit of responsibility for yesterday as well. If Okore wasn't fit, maybe giving Senderos 45 minutes in the second half would have been a better idea. Same with Sissohko. Hutton didn't look happy playing on the left at all. Finally, i'd have brought Sinclair on when N'zogbia went off.
All in all, one to forget.
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On the basis that even under TSM II we were rarely getting tonked I am inclined to write it off as one of those days. Fair play Southampton beat us fair and square but they had the rub of the green with the way the ball fell to their strikers every time Given got a block on it, the opening goal especially would probably not have ended up back with Mane 99 times out of 100.
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I'm trying to work out the mentality the players were in yesterday. It was an unusual set of circumstances, four points off the drop and two weeks away from a final. I guess at this stage the last thing you would want would be to pick up an injury or a red card (would a red card carry into the final?) which means it would be very hard to go into the game 110% committed. Having said that, at the same time, you would be playing with that lurking fear that defeat could open the door for your rivals down the bottom. Mentally it must have been a strange place to be.
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I'm trying to work out the mentality the players were in yesterday. It was an unusual set of circumstances, four points off the drop and two weeks away from a final. I guess at this stage the last thing you would want would be to pick up an injury or a red card (would a red card carry into the final?) which means it would be very hard to go into the game 110% committed. Having said that, at the same time, you would be playing with that lurking fear that defeat could open the door for your rivals down the bottom. Mentally it must have been a strange place to be.
I think this is exactly why people think that it is the 'distraction' of the cup that can lead to relegation. I never really bought into this until yesterday, but fortunately, my worry about that only had to last a couple of hours.
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I know the orientation of that ground and whilst I'm not making any excuses it was very hot on the pitch and the defence had the sun seriously in their eyes during that opening half. Like I say not excuses but they did look sun blind
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I'm trying to work out the mentality the players were in yesterday. It was an unusual set of circumstances, four points off the drop and two weeks away from a final. I guess at this stage the last thing you would want would be to pick up an injury or a red card (would a red card carry into the final?) which means it would be very hard to go into the game 110% committed. Having said that, at the same time, you would be playing with that lurking fear that defeat could open the door for your rivals down the bottom. Mentally it must have been a strange place to be.
I think this is exactly why people think that it is the 'distraction' of the cup that can lead to relegation. I never really bought into this until yesterday, but fortunately, my worry about that only had to last a couple of hours.
Yep. Time to forget about all this now and focus on the Final. It's a lovely feeling and I'm sure the players now feel as though a huge weight has been lifted from their shoulders.
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If we're talking about a top 10 finish next season, we're looking at new goalie, cd lb goal scoring midfielder and if Benteke goes 2 new strikers. Sorry but I think Gabby is simply not good enough at this level. Possibly even a wide midfielder.
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Who was the fat twat on the mic at half time giving it big one?
Yes that was Ronald Koeman.
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Watching our game yesterday, several times the commentators said stuff along the lines of "that's why Villa have been struggling this season, they can't defend at all"
I guess it is subjective, but that struck me as basically not true, and a bit lazy, too.
If I had to describe the largest contributory factor to us being so shit for most of the season, I'd put it down to a constant failure to get the ball to the strikers, in a position where they can do some damage.
In fact, I thought we defended pretty well, even under the Lambert section of this season, for decent spells.
It just struck me as a bit odd, and a soundbite they could just throw in and assume it was true (obviously, they were right about the defending yesterday).
A bit like when commentators talk about how dangerous we are on the break. I don't think we've looked particularly dangerous that way for about two years now. It really gets on my tits when they trot that one out.
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I said the other day I wasn't bothered if vlaar stayed. Even more so now I hope he goes, he was slow and fucking useless. Sherwood can't be blamed for the defensive calamity but Given is finished. Get rid of most of the defence, we stated with a high line, why the fuck did we stick with it. Only positive is that we're safe. Please please don't do that shit in the final x
Whilst I agree, Vlaar is too slow and unpredictable (and permanently injured), and our defence in general looks poor, I struggle to totally absolve Sherwood of blame for the high line thing.
Surely it isn't something the players just decided on themselves?
Just watched it back again on MOTD. Its comical the way we play the high line with absolutely no one paying any attention to the players lurking behind them or beside them.
Hutton being shoulder charged for the first by Mane was unforgivable. As others have said they got all the riochets and luck and I bet its a while before Long scores from 40 yards again
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Watching our game yesterday, several times the commentators said stuff along the lines of "that's why Villa have been struggling this season, they can't defend at all"
I guess it is subjective, but that struck me as basically not true, and a bit lazy, too.
If I had to describe the largest contributory factor to us being so shit for most of the season, I'd put it down to a constant failure to get the ball to the strikers, in a position where they can do some damage.
In fact, I thought we defended pretty well, even under the Lambert section of this season, for decent spells.
It just struck me as a bit odd, and a soundbite they could just throw in and assume it was true (obviously, they were right about the defending yesterday).
A bit like when commentators talk about how dangerous we are on the break. I don't think we've looked particularly dangerous that way for about two years now. It really gets on my tits when they trot that one out.
I agree with all your points, its lazy punditry and it annoys me almost as much as 'Guzman' and 'Wiseman'
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Just watched the highlights on MOTD and Goals on Sunday...how we can go from "playing like Brazil" one week to a bunch of Sunday league players in their first game together the next is a mystery. A lot of work to be done in training over the next few weeks from back to front. Keep the faith.
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Well that was fun, surely a case of players not wanting too get injured/suspended for the final?
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I can understand players not going in for challenges etc.. but standing still while the bloke next to you runs through on goal is not acceptable.
Both Vlar & Okore have a habit of being pulled out of position & they both looked incredibly slow when turned. Don't know if Okore is carrying an injury but one of his main attributes was his pace.
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I can understand players not going in for challenges etc.. but standing still while the bloke next to you runs through on goal is not acceptable.
Both Vlar & Okore have a habit of being pulled out of position & they both looked incredibly slow when turned. Don't know if Okore is carrying an injury but one of his main attributes was his pace.
He was during the West Ham game at least, afterwards Sherwood said something along the lines of 'people watching have no idea how much he's putting his body on the line for the club'
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I can understand players not going in for challenges etc.. but standing still while the bloke next to you runs through on goal is not acceptable.
Both Vlar & Okore have a habit of being pulled out of position & they both looked incredibly slow when turned. Don't know if Okore is carrying an injury but one of his main attributes was his pace.
He was during the West Ham game at least, afterwards Sherwood said something along the lines of 'people watching have no idea how much he's putting his body on the line for the club'
So presumably he'd be the first in line for a rest next Saturday.
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I can understand players not going in for challenges etc.. but standing still while the bloke next to you runs through on goal is not acceptable.
Both Vlar & Okore have a habit of being pulled out of position & they both looked incredibly slow when turned. Don't know if Okore is carrying an injury but one of his main attributes was his pace.
He was during the West Ham game at least, afterwards Sherwood said something along the lines of 'people watching have no idea how much he's putting his body on the line for the club'
So presumably he'd be the first in line for a rest next Saturday.
I hope they all have a rest on Saturday ;)
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On the way back to West Dorset I did notice a coach with a large Kidderminster Lions Flag in the back window. This was just before the Bournemouth turning, so were they lost or on a weekend away?
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At least we won't be wearing that white kit at wembley.
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So presumably he'd be the first in line for a rest next Saturday.
I hope they all have a rest on Saturday ;)
Take it easy on Monty he is clearly not in touch with the modern game!
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Can we delete this thread, seeing as yesterday never happened?
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What thread?
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Can we delete this thread, seeing as yesterday never happened?
Anyone know when the Southampton game is?
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Have we kicked off yet?*
*Cue "yes, for the 7th time" jokes
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I know the orientation of that ground and whilst I'm not making any excuses it was very hot on the pitch and the defence had the sun seriously in their eyes during that opening half. Like I say not excuses but they did look sun blind
Unfortunately the sun was not strong enough to stop those of us in the away end seeing the game.
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That is on a par with the Liverpool supporters all those years ago enquiring whether there was fog on the pitch when we tonked their finest 5 -1
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As bad as the result was, I am actually happy that we have avoided relegation and I feel quite content this morning.
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Can we delete this thread, seeing as yesterday never happened?
The added bonus is an extra lie-in this morning.
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It's over now and a greater fuck about the result I could not give. Shame it had to happen but one of those horrible shit days that every club goes through and we'll bounce back now that our safety is confirmed. It will be a great day vs Burnley, a party atmosphere, a home win, and we'll give a great send off to the boys as they make their way to Wembley.
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Lessons will be learnt ( before you pass back to the keeper - look for any forwards that might intercept it!!!)
But yep, a battle lost, but the war was won. Welcome them back next week, and we'll enjoy the Final!
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I was amazed at how many Villa fans were on the train to Southampton from Bournemouth,Weymouth way...great support ruined by the actual game, we stayed until the 6th went in and retreated to the pub to await the Spuds result.
strange feeling as others have said....elated about staying up and meh about getting tonked, we had a great weekend in Bournemouth and hopefully if we can tickets we will be back, also great to meet UKREDSOX at the Stage Door bar :)
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I watched the highlights on MOTD yesterday and taking nothing away from our wretched defending, three of the first four all benefited from ricochets that went Southampton's way. On another, nicer day we might have got away with it.
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I watched the highlights on MOTD yesterday and taking nothing away from our wretched defending, three of the first four all benefited from ricochets that went Southampton's way. On another, nicer day we might have got away with it.
There's no doubt that Southampton clued in on the high line thing but it's not like it was the first game we'd played that way. What they couldn't have expected is that the Keystone Cops would invade the bodies of our key defenders and also that every bounce would go for them. On another day one of Hutton, Vlaar or Given is stopping Mane for the first and the game could have turned out differently. As it was, that's not what happened and the roof fell in.