Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on January 30, 2013, 10:01:06 AM
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Everton (a) - draw - 1 point
West Ham (h) Win - 3 points
Arsenal (a) Lose - 0 points
Citeh (h) Lose - 0 points
Reading (a) draw - 1 point
QPR (h) win - 3 points
Liverpool (h) draw - 1 point
Stoke (a) draw - 1 point
Fulham (h) win - 3 points
Manure (a) lose - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
That takes us to 35 points leading to.....
Wigan (a) - win 3 points
Total - 38 points
Enough to stay up??
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It is possible but the thoughts of us needing a win at Wigan fill me with dread. This team needs to pull its socks up.
A result at Everton and I might start to believe...
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What is this word you included in your list, "win"?
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We dig three tunnels, Tom, Dick and Harry..............
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I honestly wouldn't be suprised if we fail to win another game this season while Lambert remains in charge. I mean if we can't even beat (let alone lose to) relegation rivals at home, who are we going to beat?
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Everton (a) - Lose - 0 points
West Ham (h) Lose - 0 points
Arsenal (a) Lose - 0 points
Citeh (h) Lose - 0 points
Reading (a) Draw - 1 points
QPR (h) Win - 3 points
Liverpool (h) Lose - 0 points
Stoke (a) draw - 1 point
Fulham (h) win - 3 points
Manure (a) lose - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - Win - 3 points
Norwich (a) - draw 1 - point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 - points.
Wigan (a) - Win 3 - points
15 points
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We dig three tunnels, Tom, Dick and Harry..............
I think we should press ahead without shoring up with wood.
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We should just refuse to go down. Fold our arms like 5-year olds, shake our heads and refuse to accept that we're no longer in the Premier League. Ignore the championship fixture list next season and just send our first team, dressed in full kit ( with Premier League badges still on the arms) to wait outside randomly chosen Premier League grounds every other week and ask for a game.
We could draw up our own fixtures on here in June.
Can we not have Fulham away in August though, I'm on holiday
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I agree it's all about those three home games against QPR, Fulham and Sunderland. I thought we'd need 9 pts from those three plus Newcastle.
Clearly now there's not much daylight left.
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It is possible but the thoughts of us needing a win at Wigan fill me with dread. This team needs to pull its socks up.
A result at Everton and I might start to believe...
If you offered me the option of winning at Wigan would guarantee our survival I'd bite your hand off. I think we'll be down well before then.
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We dig three tunnels, Tom, Dick and Harry..............
I think we should press ahead without shoring up with wood.
Knowing our luck we would indeed be 20 feet short of the woods.
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I can see Villa doing something bizarre, like beating Arsenal or Chelsea. However, there'll be enough cock-ups to cancel out the unexpected bonus points.
Therefore, I can't see any more than 15 points.
The question is; is are Wigan, QPR and Reading capable of being a bit worse or are any of Norwich, Fulham and Southampton capable of being quite a bit worse ?
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I can't have this we won't win another game rubbish. Since the Xmas massacre we've headed into the 2 games in the dying minutes ahead and didn't deserve to lose against Newcastle and Southampton. By the law of averages one game will go our way, whether we can get enough to stay up with this bunch of players is very much debatable though.
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I'm gobsmacked we're still not cut adrift, we are the worst team in the league now, how aren't we cut ardift? Maybe that is the only hoe I have.
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Everton (a) - draw - 1 point
West Ham (h) Win - 3 points
Arsenal (a) Lose - 0 points
Citeh (h) Lose - 0 points
Reading (a) draw - 1 point
QPR (h) win - 3 points
Liverpool (h) draw - 1 point
Stoke (a) draw - 1 point
Fulham (h) win - 3 points
Manure (a) lose - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
That takes us to 35 points leading to.....
Wigan (a) - win 3 points
Total - 38 points
Enough to stay up??
We will loose more than 4 of the remaining games
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I'm gobsmacked we're still not cut adrift, we are the worst team in the league now, how aren't we cut ardift? Maybe that is the only hoe I have.
Well we are 3 points behind Southampton and with our goal difference it may as well be 4 points, 4 points behind Newcastle and 5 behind Fulham and 6 behind Norwich
Only Wigan are a single result ahead of us.
So we are slowly being cut adrift from those above us, and our goal difference will bite us on the arse
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Everton (a) - loss- 0 points
West Ham (h) draw- 1 point
Arsenal (a) Loss - 0 points
Citeh (h) Loss - 0 points
Reading (a) draw - 1 point
QPR (d) win - 1 point
Liverpool (h) loss- 0 points
Stoke (a) loss- 0 points
Fulham (h) draw- 1 point
Manure (a) loss - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
6 points, down we go as the bottom team, with that chump Lambert still mumbling about "couldn't have asked any more", "we go again, in the Championship" and so on.
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We kinda are though even if win next game and soton and Newcastle lose we would still be below them.QPR were miles away from us not is 4 points.
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I'm gobsmacked we're still not cut adrift, we are the worst team in the league now, how aren't we cut ardift? Maybe that is the only hoe I have.
We must keep ploughing on
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Everton (a) - loss- 0 points
West Ham (h) draw- 1 point
Arsenal (a) Loss - 0 points
Citeh (h) Loss - 0 points
Reading (a) win - 3 point
QPR (d) win - 1 point
Liverpool (h) loss- 0 points
Stoke (a) draw- 1 point
Fulham (h) draw- 1 point
Manure (a) loss - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
9 points and down we go
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Everton (a) - loss- 0 points
West Ham (h) draw- 1 point
Arsenal (a) Loss - 0 points
Citeh (h) Loss - 0 points
Reading (a) draw - 1 point
QPR (d) win - 1 point
Liverpool (h) loss- 0 points
Stoke (a) loss- 0 points
Fulham (h) draw- 1 point
Manure (a) loss - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
6 points, down we go as the bottom team, with that chump Lambert still mumbling about "couldn't have asked any more", "we go again, in the Championship" and so on.
Fucking hell Risso your optmistic! I wonder what the odds are on us getting less than 3 points for the remainder of the season, because I can see that happening.
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Everton (a) - loss- 0 points
West Ham (h) draw- 1 point
Arsenal (a) Loss - 0 points
Citeh (h) Loss - 0 points
Reading (a) draw - 1 point
QPR (d) win - 1 point
Liverpool (h) loss- 0 points
Stoke (a) loss- 0 points
Fulham (h) draw- 1 point
Manure (a) loss - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
6 points, down we go as the bottom team, with that chump Lambert still mumbling about "couldn't have asked any more", "we go again, in the Championship" and so on.
As much as I hate to say it, I fear it could be this. Some of my predictions went by my heart. Wigan are strengthening, I've got a feeling QPR and Soton will ad players. Ourselves and Reading seem dead certs for the trapdoor
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Everton (a) - loss- 0 points
West Ham (h) win- 3 points
Arsenal (a) Loss - 0 points
Citeh (h) Loss - 0 points
Reading (a) win - 3 point
QPR (d) win - 3 points
Liverpool (h) loss- 0 points
Stoke (a) draw- 1 point
Fulham (h) draw- 1 point
Manure (a) loss - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
13 points and that's being wildly optimistic - probably not enough for us.
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We should just refuse to go down. Fold our arms like 5-year olds, shake our heads and refuse to accept that we're no longer in the Premier League. Ignore the championship fixture list next season and just send our first team, dressed in full kit ( with Premier League badges still on the arms) to wait outside randomly chosen Premier League grounds every other week and ask for a game.
We could draw up our own fixtures on here in June.
Can we not have Fulham away in August though, I'm on holiday
Is there hope of a Rugby Union situation, whereby they change the relegation/promotion system mid-season ?
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Everton (a) - draw - 1 point
West Ham (h) Win - 3 points
Arsenal (a) Lose - 0 points
Citeh (h) Lose - 0 points
Reading (a) draw - 1 point
QPR (h) win - 3 points
Liverpool (h) draw - 1 point
Stoke (a) draw - 1 point
Fulham (h) win - 3 points
Manure (a) lose - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
That takes us to 35 points leading to.....
Wigan (a) - win 3 points
Total - 38 points
Enough to stay up??
We will loose more than 4 of the remaining games
Richie - do what you do in the shop - think big!
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I think the cup losses could be important, if we'd have hammered both teams, Randy would have thought everything was peachy. They all know we are in the shit now.
On top of that, the Dunne injury could force another one in - who thought he would 1. Be fit, 2. Last the rest of the season and 3. Make one mistake per game like last year?
All this depends on whether Randy has already thrown the towel in I guess.
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Last year and the year before, I remember looking at remaining games, and people chipping in with their expected points return, but there were a few matches where we all expected to get nothing, but got something.
This year, sadly, really I don't think there are going to be any of them.
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I think when we play Wigan on the last day our performance will be sadly reminiscent of when Newcastle came to be relegated by us. No tactics or organisation from a useless manager, and no spirit or fight from the players.
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It is possible but the thoughts of us needing a win at Wigan fill me with dread. This team needs to pull its socks up.
A result at Everton and I might start to believe...
If you offered me the option of winning at Wigan would guarantee our survival I'd bite your hand off. I think we'll be down well before then.
Of course, so would I, it's just they are used to the scrap, we aren't and tend to lack spine. I wouldn't fancy us getting the win. If Wigan had already secured safety and we needed a win I could see us getting it but not if we both needed a result...
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Last year and the year before, I remember looking at remaining games, and people chipping in with their expected points return, but there were a few matches where we all expected to get nothing, but got something.
This year, sadly, really I don't think there are going to be any of them.
I totally agree, the team is in chaos.
If we go down, I may get a season ticket. Perhaps its idiotic but I've been disillusioned with most things football for a long time. I'm sure a lot of it will be like Division 1 used to be.
I'm not sure whether that is defeatist or looking on the bright side
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We dig three tunnels, Tom, Dick and Harry..............
you mean Houghton, Hunter and Devey....
UTV
the Doc
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Everton (a) - draw - 1 point
West Ham (h) Win - 3 points
Arsenal (a) Lose - 0 points
Citeh (h) Lose - 0 points
Reading (a) draw - 1 point
QPR (h) win - 3 points
Liverpool (h) draw - 1 point
Stoke (a) draw - 1 point
Fulham (h) win - 3 points
Manure (a) lose - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
That takes us to 35 points leading to.....
Wigan (a) - win 3 points
Total - 38 points
Enough to stay up??
We will loose more than 4 of the remaining games
Richie - do what you do in the shop - think big!
Nobody thinks bigger than me. I still think with the right management plan, we can make the champions league in the future :)
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I reckon there's about 5 games we've got little chance in (Home to Citeh, and Chelsea, away to Man Yoo, Arse, Everton) about 3 where I'd hope for at least a draw if we can play for 90 minutes (Home Liverpool, away Norwich and Sterk), and about 5, maybe 6 that are could win, should win, must win - home Fulham, QPR, West Ham, maybe Sunderland
Away Reading, Wigan.
I think if we don't win at least 4 of those last listed games, we're toast, or we're depending on three of Wigan, Reading, QPR, and Saints to be equally as or even more shit than we are. It doesn't leave much margin for error.
Problem is we're giving teams two goals a game so it's hard to see where many wins are going to come from.
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I reckon there's about 5 games we've got little chance in (Home to Citeh, and Chelsea, away to Man Yoo, Arse, Everton) about 3 where I'd hope for at least a draw if we can play for 90 minutes (Home Liverpool, away Norwich and Sterk), and about 5, maybe 6 that are could win, should win, must win - home Fulham, QPR, West Ham, maybe Sunderland
Away Reading, Wigan.
I think if we don't win at least 4 of those last listed games, we're toast, or we're depending on three of Wigan, Reading, QPR, and Saints to be equally as or even more shit than we are. It doesn't leave much margin for error.
Problem is we're giving teams two goals a game so it's hard to see where many wins are going to come from.
As we have only won 4 all season I just dont see why we would suddenly start to win 5 or 6 games in the few that we have left unless we have an influx of fresh [GOOD] players and or a new manger who can generate a possitive effect
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At least in the Championship we'll be taken seriously as contenders for something.....then again. I just can't contemplate the notion of having to wait until smug Linekar has finished rambling at midnight to have a hope of seeing us being introduced by Manish and Cnut Claridge.
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(http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachments/5th-gen-t4rs/63794d1336528966-snorkel-update-baldrick.jpg)
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In direct response to the OP, 38 points would keep us up I feel. I just find it hard to believe we'll get there without at least one new signing.
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How do we escape?
Our midfield is inexplicably held hostage in a warehouse with just MacGyver, The A Team, a big van, welders masks for everybody, a small but potent chemical lab and some big bits of metal just sitting around.
When the kidnappers go on their lunchbreak, Bannan spots some weapons...
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I have a feeling that we are going to go and win at Everton at the weekend, and beat West Ham. Then lose another 6-7 on the spin, and go down bottom.
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Our only hope if there was some sort of Italian style match fixing scandle and three teams were relegated for it. Unfortunately after looking through the league, we're probably the only team who is so bad that question marks of match fixing would be levelled at us.
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(http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachments/5th-gen-t4rs/63794d1336528966-snorkel-update-baldrick.jpg)
Someone should mock that up with Lerner's face and hang it from the Holte End.
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I think when we play Wigan on the last day our performance will be sadly reminiscent of when Newcastle came to be relegated by us. No tactics or organisation from a useless manager, and no spirit or fight from the players.
...compounded by Whelan and Martinez sitting there smugly
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Everton (a) - draw - 1 point
West Ham (h) Win - 3 points
Arsenal (a) Lose - 0 points
Citeh (h) Lose - 0 points
Reading (a) draw - 1 point
QPR (h) win - 3 points
Liverpool (h) draw - 1 point
Stoke (a) draw - 1 point
Fulham (h) win - 3 points
Manure (a) lose - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
That takes us to 35 points leading to.....
Wigan (a) - win 3 points
Total - 38 points
Enough to stay up??
That's all assuming we'll even win another game.
I wouldn't back us to beat a team containing Stephen Hawking, Heather McCartney, Boxing Helena and Davros.
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Everton (a) - draw - 1 point
West Ham (h) Win - 3 points
Arsenal (a) Lose - 0 points
Citeh (h) Lose - 0 points
Reading (a) draw - 1 point
QPR (h) win - 3 points
Liverpool (h) draw - 1 point
Stoke (a) draw - 1 point
Fulham (h) win - 3 points
Manure (a) lose - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
That takes us to 35 points leading to.....
Wigan (a) - win 3 points
Total - 38 points
Enough to stay up??
It's all conjecture and blind hope. God knows what we should predict as performances at best have been erratic and at worst an abomination. I just hope somehow the management get the team playing as looking like they can win because at the moment I can't see us winning another game.
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We should just refuse to go down. Fold our arms like 5-year olds, shake our heads and refuse to accept that we're no longer in the Premier League. Ignore the championship fixture list next season and just send our first team, dressed in full kit ( with Premier League badges still on the arms) to wait outside randomly chosen Premier League grounds every other week and ask for a game.
We could draw up our own fixtures on here in June.
Can we not have Fulham away in August though, I'm on holiday
Brilliant!
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(http://www.toyota-4runner.org/attachments/5th-gen-t4rs/63794d1336528966-snorkel-update-baldrick.jpg)
Someone should mock that up with Lerner's face and hang it from the Holte End.
So cunny it hurts.
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We should just refuse to go down. Fold our arms like 5-year olds, shake our heads and refuse to accept that we're no longer in the Premier League. Ignore the championship fixture list next season and just send our first team, dressed in full kit ( with Premier League badges still on the arms) to wait outside randomly chosen Premier League grounds every other week and ask for a game.
We could draw up our own fixtures on here in June.
Can we not have Fulham away in August though, I'm on holiday
Brilliant!
It's our league, we invented it. Frankly it's bloody bad form being shown by the rest of the league. They should show a bit of respect and just let us stay up. It wouldn't go amiss if they gave us a few of their better players too.
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Actually the league we invented is the one we might be relegated to.
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Actually the league we invented is the one we might be relegated to.
Yeah but it was our idea. Everyone else just copied us.
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I've a mate whose a geordie and he says the newcastle fans were out for us last night after the whole laughing at them when they went down in 2008 i think it was. i notice they sold out their end - where were our fans? 10k empty seats. i can't believe the supporters are so poor when club needs us now more than ever. we deserve what we get at this rate
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Ahh, it's the fans' fault is it?
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i think in general most fans have been very patient. but last night we should have been there. i was as ever, where were the rest?
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I've got a plan We'll sell our most prolific goal scorer to Stoke
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I can see us getting 10 points I just don't know if that will be enough.
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I can see us getting 10 points I just don't know if that will be enough.
I think no is the answer to that. Has any team ever stayed up on 30 points
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Everton (a) - draw - 1 point
West Ham (h) Win - 3 points
Arsenal (a) Lose - 0 points
Citeh (h) Lose - 0 points
Reading (a) draw - 1 point
QPR (h) win - 3 points
Liverpool (h) draw - 1 point
Stoke (a) draw - 1 point
Fulham (h) win - 3 points
Manure (a) lose - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
That takes us to 35 points leading to.....
Wigan (a) - win 3 points
Total - 38 points
Enough to stay up??
Just realised, a draw at Stoke??? Look at the size of them compared to us
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I've a mate whose a geordie and he says the newcastle fans were out for us last night after the whole laughing at them when they went down in 2008 i think it was. i notice they sold out their end - where were our fans? 10k empty seats. i can't believe the supporters are so poor when club needs us now more than ever. we deserve what we get at this rate
They didn't sell out their end and haven't for a few seasons now
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I've a mate whose a geordie and he says the newcastle fans were out for us last night after the whole laughing at them when they went down in 2008 i think it was. i notice they sold out their end - where were our fans? 10k empty seats. i can't believe the supporters are so poor when club needs us now more than ever. we deserve what we get at this rate
They are the best fans in the world
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We should just refuse to go down. Fold our arms like 5-year olds, shake our heads and refuse to accept that we're no longer in the Premier League. Ignore the championship fixture list next season and just send our first team, dressed in full kit ( with Premier League badges still on the arms) to wait outside randomly chosen Premier League grounds every other week and ask for a game.
We could draw up our own fixtures on here in June.
We invented this damned League so we can do that by right!
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that last game against Wigan could be interesting
at half time as the players try and make there escape through a hastily dug tunnel situated under the washing area,
the little vioce of wee Barry Bannan says 'we could win this'
the rest of the team have a quick discussion about the chances, and then tell him to fuck of as they drop down and make a run for it underground
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For that read Everton, Manure, Citeh, Chelsea, Norwich, MON's Sunderland, Fulham, Liverpool, QPT, Reading, Wet Spam.
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There's always the "Championship?! Do you know who we are?" option.
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i think in general most fans have been very patient. but last night we should have been there. i was as ever, where were the rest?
Yeah, that's how it works.
That's why Portsmouth have managed to stay up against all the odds. And Wigan with all their empty spaces sank without trace years ago.
Oh wait...
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I've a mate whose a geordie and he says the newcastle fans were out for us last night after the whole laughing at them when they went down in 2008 i think it was. i notice they sold out their end - where were our fans? 10k empty seats. i can't believe the supporters are so poor when club needs us now more than ever. we deserve what we get at this rate
I know you've got it in for our support last night but the Geordies did not sell out the upper tier...
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If bent does go to stoke, I think we should spunk the money on a 60’s icon jumping a motorbike over a large barbed wire fence into neutral territory where results can't get us.
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I smell a troll.
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I smell a troll.
Sorry, haven't washed today.
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Please do not feed.
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I smell a troll.
To parapharse that nutter next to Hannibal Lector's cell.
'I smell a ******.'
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I've a mate whose a geordie and he says the newcastle fans were out for us last night after the whole laughing at them when they went down in 2008 i think it was. i notice they sold out their end - where were our fans? 10k empty seats. i can't believe the supporters are so poor when club needs us now more than ever. we deserve what we get at this rate
They are the best fans in the world
It's this kind of stuff which reminds me why it was so hilarious when they got relegated at our place.
Silly bunch of sods.
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Don't get me started on the 'Bestist Loyalist Fans In The World, Just A Bunch Of Reet Canny Lads'. I'd be here all day. For the record, they've not sold their allocation at Villa Park since the day we sent them down.
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Don't get me started on the 'Bestist Loyalist Fans In The World, Just A Bunch Of Reet Canny Lads'. I'd be here all day. For the record, they've not sold their allocation at Villa Park since the day we sent them down.
Agreed. I went to St James's in the 80s and there were about 14-16k there, return match at villa saw about 400-500 of them. Toon Army my arse.
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Don't get me started on the 'Bestist Loyalist Fans In The World, Just A Bunch Of Reet Canny Lads'. I'd be here all day. For the record, they've not sold their allocation at Villa Park since the day we sent them down.
Agreed. I went to St James's in the 80s and there were about 14-16k there, return match at villa saw about 400-500 of them. Toon Army my arse.
80k of them will tell you they were at all those games.
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Don't get me started on the 'Bestist Loyalist Fans In The World, Just A Bunch Of Reet Canny Lads'. I'd be here all day. For the record, they've not sold their allocation at Villa Park since the day we sent them down.
Agreed. I went to St James's in the 80s and there were about 14-16k there, return match at villa saw about 400-500 of them. Toon Army my arse.
80k of them will tell you they were at all those games.
Went to see them get tonked at the moulinex with a wolves mate when keegan first rocked up. They brought about nine
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I smell a troll.
To parapharse that nutter next to Hannibal Lector's cell.
'I smell a c***.'
But a loyal fan apparently ;-)
Just the rest of us...
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Bottom 2, thanks to Chelski throwing away a 2 goal lead.
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Reading have spirit and late goals in abundance, Le Fondre who seems to score most of them is going in my FF team.
Wigan know how to survive once we go into March.
QPR are probably signing the best player down there in Samba.
Not looking good but I still think 5 wins will keep us up, West Ham, Reading, Fulham, Sunderland, Norwich. A long shot but still possible.
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Chelsea always fuck us. Always.
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think west ham and norwich are going to get dragged into it
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I agree the Hammers & Norwich are on the slide. Although Norwich's fixtures seem better than West Ham's
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Everton (a) - draw - 1 point - Actual points - 1
West Ham (h) Win - 3 points
Arsenal (a) Lose - 0 points
Citeh (h) Lose - 0 points
Reading (a) draw - 1 point
QPR (h) win - 3 points
Liverpool (h) draw - 1 point
Stoke (a) draw - 1 point
Fulham (h) win - 3 points
Manure (a) lose - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - draw - 1 point
Norwich (a) - draw 1 point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 points.
Lads and lasses, let's stay positive - it's the first point on the board in our plot to escape relegation, just need to beat the Hammers now and we will be rolling!
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Our problem is that everyone around us is picking up results and we aren't winning. A draw at Everton isn't a bad result, but in the context of it it's a killer blow.
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after the man citeh game the way things are going we will be bottom
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Shouldnt this be re-named the "Send for Paul Daniels" thread.
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What was I saying our best hope was teams to be relegated for match fixing!
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Looking at some of the posts in this thread it's like stumbling into a meeting of the remainng survivors of the Flat Earth Society.
Whatever gets you through the day I guess.
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Attack, attack, attack. Use the width, use the pace we have up top. Sometimes we move the ball around too slowly and without enough drive toward the box.
The defence is beyond hope, so lets outscore people. If we really go for it and expand our play we can score goals. There's plenty of threat in our side with the likes of Benteke, Bent, Gabby, Weimann, Zoggy.
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Baker and Vlaar in the centre of defence must be worth a go.
Clark just looks awful there.
Hansen on MOTD was spot on, pointing that out.
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Baker and Vlaar in the centre of defence must be worth a go.
Clark just looks awful there.
Hansen on MOTD was spot on, pointing that out.
That is the further folly of the transfer window policy - we are (in my opinion) literally one decent Centre Half away from survival.
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I don't think much of Baker to be honest, his positional sense is awful as well and that's why he's always diving in. However I doubt he can do much worse than Clark at the moment. What is the situation with Dunne?
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He's fat, and shit, and never fucking fit.
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He's fat, and shit, and never fucking fit.
There's a chant in that.
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I don't think much of Baker to be honest, his positional sense is awful as well and that's why he's always diving in. However I doubt he can do much worse than Clark at the moment. What is the situation with Dunne?
And that's the problem. Baker is more of a physical presence than Clark, but he is poor on the ball, gets caught out of position and is prone to making stupid mistakes (remember him stepping over the ball in his own box at Old Trafford last season?). We've just got to hope that Dunne can recover quickly.
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You can see with the weakness's both Clark and Baker have why PL went with 3 at the back.
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He was also at fault for Newcastle's first goal due to his positioning and awareness. However it's not his fault we haven't signed a centre half and we've just got to limp along with what we have.
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there's a dirty rumour going around that we're in to resign John Carew whose a free agent. has anybody else heard this? worried this is the depths we've sunk to, surely not.
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No the only rumour I heard is that Simoncowell is an annoying Blue nose troll.
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No the only rumour I heard is that Simoncowell is an annoying Blue nose troll.
yeah cheers for that. sorry for bringing discussion to the forum... oh wait...
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No the only rumour I heard is that Simoncowell is an annoying Blue nose troll.
yeah cheers for that. sorry for bringing discussion to the forum... oh wait...
Just continuously posting:
"*Insert something irrelevant that hasn't happened* oh woe is us how far have we sunk."
Isn't bringing discussion to the forum.
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No the only rumour I heard is that Simoncowell is an annoying Blue nose troll.
I started it.
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No the only rumour I heard is that Simoncowell is an annoying Blue nose troll.
I started it.
He isn't even entertaining though, it wouldn't be so bad if he was mildly funny. The best he came up with last week was that Bent was at Norwich having a medical. Yeah ok mate, whatever.
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2 out of 2 lads and lasses......Start believing!!!
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High after the match, low after looking at the fixtures. We have some bastard matches to win
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I think we'll be okay. It's the first time I've thought that since the Spurs game.
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High after the match, low after looking at the fixtures. We have some bastard matches to win
So have the teams around us. It's game on.
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2 out of 2 lads and lasses......Start believing!!!
Like they say in Peter pan "I believe in you Kippax"
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2 out of 2 lads and lasses......Start believing!!!
In fact, I will really believe if we lose the next 2
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I'm going to get ridiculous now and say we will get a draw at the Arse.....Benteke wanting to impress them and all that.
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Everton (a) - Lose - 0 points
West Ham (h) Lose - 0 points
Arsenal (a) Lose - 0 points
Citeh (h) Lose - 0 points
Reading (a) Draw - 1 points
QPR (h) Win - 3 points
Liverpool (h) Lose - 0 points
Stoke (a) draw - 1 point
Fulham (h) win - 3 points
Manure (a) lose - 0 points
Sunderland (h) - Win - 3 points
Norwich (a) - draw 1 - point
Chelsea (h) - lose 0 - points.
Wigan (a) - Win 3 - points
15 points
I bet you're glad you dont do the lottery hey mate!
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We will get at least a point at Arsenal.
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Every time my mate has taken his one of his three sons to their first game we've won 2-1.
Every time one of his sons is a mascot we win 1-0 (I've won a few quid on this a few times, but both occurred on Sunday and it messed with my betting slip)
If anyone knows anyone in the know at the club can they get his son "picked" to me the mascot against Man City?
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We will get at least a point at Arsenal.
They don't tend to lump crosses in the box so we may actually cope Ok...
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The Reading and QPR games next month are just so crucial. Avoid defeat at Reading and 3 points at home to QPR would be a decent return.
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The Reading and QPR games next month are just so crucial. Avoid defeat at Reading and 3 points at home to QPR would be a decent return.
I wish they were the next two up and we could go into them with a bit of momentum after the West Ham game. Instead we will be going into them after playing Arsenal and Man City.
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The Reading and QPR games next month are just so crucial. Avoid defeat at Reading and 3 points at home to QPR would be a decent return.
I wish they were the next two up and we could go into them with a bit of momentum after the West Ham game. Instead we will be going into them after playing Arsenal and Man City.
Last time we played City and Arsenal the following results weren't too bad. Fingers crossed this time!
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We will get at least a point at Arsenal.
They don't tend to lump crosses in the box so we may actually cope Ok...
They will get at least a couple of corners in the game though, and Mertesacker, Diaby, Vermaelen and co will back themselves against our lot. Championship and Fourth Division players back themselves against our lot, as we've seen.
Giroud is more than useful in the air too, even if le Arse aren't over reliant on crosses and set pieces to create chances.
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The Reading and QPR games next month are just so crucial. Avoid defeat at Reading and 3 points at home to QPR would be a decent return.
I wish they were the next two up and we could go into them with a bit of momentum after the West Ham game. Instead we will be going into them after playing Arsenal and Man City.
Last time we played City and Arsenal the following results weren't too bad. Fingers crossed this time!
True PWS, but Man City at home on a Monday night in yet another live TV game isn't looking a good mix at the moment!
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I'd say 8 chances of victories from the games we have left. We need at least 5.
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2 out of 2 lads and lasses......Start believing!!!
Like they say in Peter pan "I believe in you Kippax"
"I believe in you, you believe in me, you transcend the universe, God is smiling on you, life is a waterfall and you are the ultimate rainbow."
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I'd say 8 chances of victories from the games we have left. We need at least 5.
We will stay up with 4 wins a couple of draws.
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We need 5 wins to stay up for me with our goal difference.
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I don't see teams going down with 38 or 39 points tbh, I think 36 will be enough.
Bolton went down with 36 points last season, in 09/10 I'm pretty sure West Ham stayed up on 35 points and think Newcastle only had 34 when we relegated them the season before.
Only in 10/11 have you needed 40 points to stay up. That was a freak year as Man. United only needed 80 points to win the league that year (they'll get 90 + this season) and the 2nd place team only got 70 points (again City will get more than that). That mean the teams in the bottom 6 were picking up more points.
Even if Reading and wigan pick up a bit, it suggest the games they'll be winning and drawing will be against the likes of West Ham and Norwich. Neither are anywhere near safe yet so that will send those two hurtling towards the bottom 3.
Reading is a real must not lose as that's one of their winnable home games left this season as I can't see them getting much away between now and the end of the season.
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I reckon this welcome spell of 1 game in 14 days (which we won) has done us the power of good. Having spent weeks staggering like a punch-drunk boxer from one blow to another, we've enjoyed a period of relative calm.
What is now critical is that we do not capitulate to Arsenal & Man City. We're likely to lose but for goodness sake let's keep it close. A humping in either fixture, especially the first, would undo the positive vibe enjoyed since the West Ham game. My half empty glass is now half full and I'm beginning to believe again. ::)
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I think changing Bennet for Baker against West Ham is a massive change in PL thinking. Bennet may well get better but right now Baker is probably our strongest and most positive defender. Bring Gabby back in for Bowery and i feel the team has better strength and tenacity and after watching Arsenal think we have a chance of coming back with something .......
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I think changing Bennet for Baker against West Ham is a massive change in PL thinking. Bennet may well get better but right now Baker is probably our strongest and most positive defender. Bring Gabby back in for Bowery and i feel the team has better strength and tenacity and after watching Arsenal think we have a chance of coming back with something .......
3 points, no probs.
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I reckon this welcome spell of 1 game in 14 days (which we won) has done us the power of good. Having spent weeks staggering like a punch-drunk boxer from one blow to another, we've enjoyed a period of relative calm.
Exactly, and very well-put. A lot of us were praying for the snow to cancel half the games in January. Since Christmas, every four days or so bore witness to another clusterfuck with no let-up.
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I think changing Bennet for Baker against West Ham is a massive change in PL thinking. Bennet may well get better but right now Baker is probably our strongest and most positive defender. Bring Gabby back in for Bowery and i feel the team has better strength and tenacity and after watching Arsenal think we have a chance of coming back with something .......
I'd like to agree with you but I have a feeling that Baker was only in at left back because we needed someone bigger and stronger than bennett to defend against West Ham's tactics. I wouldnt be suprised if Bennett comes back in for the next game.
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I reckon this welcome spell of 1 game in 14 days (which we won) has done us the power of good. Having spent weeks staggering like a punch-drunk boxer from one blow to another, we've enjoyed a period of relative calm.
What is now critical is that we do not capitulate to Arsenal & Man City. We're likely to lose but for goodness sake let's keep it close. A humping in either fixture, especially the first, would undo the positive vibe enjoyed since the West Ham game. My half empty glass is now half full and I'm beginning to believe again. ::)
My optimism levels have soared in the last couple of weeks, so much so I think we'll have a barnstorming end to season and end up in mid table.
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I think changing Bennet for Baker against West Ham is a massive change in PL thinking. Bennet may well get better but right now Baker is probably our strongest and most positive defender. Bring Gabby back in for Bowery and i feel the team has better strength and tenacity and after watching Arsenal think we have a chance of coming back with something .......
I'd like to agree with you but I have a feeling that Baker was only in at left back because we needed someone bigger and stronger than bennett to defend against West Ham's tactics. I wouldnt be suprised if Bennett comes back in for the next game.
I agree. He was the right call for that particular game. Arsenal will be different where we probably need to score at least once to get anything and Bennett, although very suspect defensively offers more going forward. It looks like a case of being caught between a rock and a hard place for Lambert. Either choice could still end up with us taking a heavy beating.
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We're still on track. 3 out of 3 and we can still afford to lose next week.
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We're still on track. 3 out of 3 and we can still afford to lose next week.
And our goal difference wasn't damaged hugely yesterday. We need to keep it tight against City and beat both Reading and QPR. 30 points going into the Liverpool game and I'd fancy us to stay up. Even with 28 points going into that game I think we'd be well in with a shot. Anything less and it will be a struggle to Wigan away.
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I realise it is small comfort but I now have four out four match predictions folks - I am predicting a draw on Saturday and stick by that.
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I'm still desperately hoping it will go to the last day. Pretty much 'as you were'after this weekend with everyone from Southampton down in the doodoo, so 3 from 5 currently. A lot will depend if we can drag the likes of MONderland and Newcastle back into it. Only 6 points off........
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4 points minimum needed from the next two, if we get that at least we can move away and isolate Reading and QPR.
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Well the first of my 5 predictions was wrong but I am delighted because we are now 2 points ahead of my forecast at this time - if only they could beat one of Liverpool and QPR would make us really start to believe not that I don't already.
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Fantastic result today - means we are now 2 points ahead of my initial projection. Of my first 6 projections I have 5 out of 6 correct, the one failing being the Reading game where we won rather than drew.
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Even though it's only me updating - here we go.
We are 3 points ahead of my initial projection at this stage. I had us to have 30 points and we are on 33 with some winnable games ahead too. Surely we can't screw this up - or can we?
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Absolutely no time for complacency. But 7 more points - 2 more wins and a draw / 1 more win and 3 draw should definitely do it, even with our g/d. Can we get those results against:
- Fulham (h)
- Sunderland (h)
- Norwich (a)
- Wigan (a)
- Chelsea (h)
- Man U (a)
Absolutely. I fancy us to win at least one of our easier two home games, maybe drawing the other (4 points). And I really think we can win at Norwich too, we certainly shouldn't lose I hope. I reckon we can win 2 of those 3 games, drawing the other, and hopefully we'll be pretty much safe by the Chelsea game.
We haven't lost against a team outside of the big 6-7 clubs since January so we're in good shape. It'd be nice to have a more comfortable win though!
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is it almost as simple as one win plus beating Sunderland to stay up now, leaving them needing 8 from their othrr games which will be very tough?
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I reckon Fulham might take a kicking. We generally do pretty well against them at VP, and they don't travel well. Feeling a little giddy, so I'll go for 4-1, and with points against Sunderland, Norwich and Wigan we'll be safe. If things go to plan Sunderland or Stoke will be the omes shitting it as we are playing out our last game at Wigan.
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if we both need a draw on the final day I hope common sense prevails
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if we both need a draw on the final day I hope common sense prevails
We do them 6-0 to relegate that shitehouse Whelan?
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Fulham look good, so I reckon that might be a draw, followed by a defeat v Man U. But then back to back wins v Norwich and Sunderland should pretty much see us safe.
I think the Man U game could be quite entertaining actually. But even if we're 2-0 with a minute to go, you know we'll lose.
That's my thinking.
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Before we totally discount Fulham, it's worth noting that they recently travelled to Spurs and won.
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Before we totally discount Fulham, it's worth noting that they recently travelled to Spurs and won.
They did, but Spurs were truly awful that day. Or should I say Bale had an off day. Overall their record has been poor on the road and they've conceded quite a few goals.
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I think it's also worth noting that Spurs are a bunch of ******.
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Is it also worth noting Spuds dont have a forward like ooooh Chhhhristian Benteke
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I think it's also worth noting that Spurs are a bunch of c***s.
I thought that went without saying.
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is it almost as simple as one win plus beating Sunderland to stay up now, leaving them needing 8 from their othrr games which will be very tough?
I make you spot on.
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I get us to 40, Wigan 37 and Sunderland 39 going into the last weekend (with us having the worst goal difference)
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From now I'd be disappointed if we don't beat Norwich and if we don't get 4 points from Fulham and Sunderland, which would put us on 40 with 2 games left and should mean we can all rest easy for the last couple of games, I genuinely think we've got the nicest run in of any side in the battle down there so I've long thought it was in our own hands, we've beaten the 3 sides we really needed to beat and got some good momentum, I still think we'll end up 13-14th with a 3-4 point 'cushion'.
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Sunderland to lose at Chelsea today will help pile the pressure on them. Game against them at VP will be the key one for me. Annoying that the game is on a Monday night to suit Sky - meaning teams around us will have already played and maybe got points
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Sunderland to lose at Chelsea today will help pile the pressure on them. Game against them at VP will be the key one for me. Annoying that the game is on a Monday night to suit Sky - meaning teams around us will have already played and maybe got points
Is the Sunderland game on a Monday night? I know manure away is but I didn't think Sunderland was.
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Do we want a Wigan or QPR win today? I think that a QPR win will be better for us. Am I right?
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Do we want a Wigan or QPR win today? I think that a QPR win will be better for us. Am I right?
You are.
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Do we want a Wigan or QPR win today? I think that a QPR win will be better for us. Am I right?
You are.
No question - qpr!
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Sunderland to lose at Chelsea today will help pile the pressure on them. Game against them at VP will be the key one for me. Annoying that the game is on a Monday night to suit Sky - meaning teams around us will have already played and maybe got points
Is the Sunderland game on a Monday night? I know manure away is but I didn't think Sunderland was.
Yes Monday 29th April 8pm.
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35 points down at the moment:
Norwich: Arsenal (a), Reading (h), Stoke (a), Villa (h), West Brom (h), Man City (a)
Stoke: Man United (h), QPR (a), Norwich (h), Sunderland (a), Spurs (h), Southampton (a)
Newcastle: Fulham (h), Sunderland (h), WBA (a), Liverpool (h), West Ham (a), QPR (a), Arsenal (h)
Villa: Fulham (h), Man U (a), Sunderland (h), Norwich (a), Chelsea (h), Wigan (a)
Slumberland: Chelsea (a), Newcastle (a), Everton (h), Villa (a), Stoke (h), Southampton (a), Spurs (h)
Wigwam: QPR (a), Man City (a), West Ham (a), Spurs (h), WBA (a), Swansea (h), Arsenal (a), Villa (h)
3 things stand out for me. If QPR win today, they have enough games against other sides at the bottom to win 4 and get up to 37 points. They have a good enough side, and have goals in them.
Wigan, for all their form, have a tough run in for me. They are games you would ordinarily say they are unlikely to win many from, but the Wigan play like Barcelona in April and may is starting to crank up. The only hope is they have hit form too early!
Newcastle and Norwich have enough winnable games to see them safe, so do we on current form. Sunderland are bang in trouble with their games though. Their fixtures with us and Stoke could be vital. I can see Wigan, Sunderland and Stoke all needed to win on the final day to overhaul us by that point.
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I think we should take 7 points from the games with Fulham, Sunderland and Norwich and be home and dry.
Sunderland could be the hardest of the 3 depending on if di canio gets them going- norwich and Fulham we should beat .
The other 3 games - Chelsea may have a cup final that week soapy a weakened team and if we are already safe i would expect to go to wigan and win .
For me it will be probably sunderland or stoke that go.
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I think we should take 7 points from the games with Fulham, Sunderland and Norwich and be home and dry.
Sunderland could be the hardest of the 3 depending on if di canio gets them going- norwich and Fulham we should beat .
I agree eastie, but Fulham next week won't roll over, they're a bit of an enigma and will either be shocking or look like a top six team. I see that as the hardest fixture of the 3, Sunderland are just shite (I don't see Mussolini making any difference up there).
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Stating the obvious but we could really do with Chelsea and QPR wins today. They've both got difficult games after that, so we have to beat Fulham as we won't beat Man U away.
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I think we should take 7 points from the games with Fulham, Sunderland and Norwich and be home and dry.
Sunderland could be the hardest of the 3 depending on if di canio gets them going- norwich and Fulham we should beat .
I agree eastie, but Fulham next week won't roll over, they're a bit of an enigma and will either be shocking or look like a top six team. I see that as the hardest fixture of the 3, Sunderland are just shite (I don't see Mussolini making any difference up there).
Fulham are good at the cottage but not so good away , I think we have the momentum and desire whereas they are comfortable in midtable - fully expect to win this one.
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Stating the obvious but we could really do with Chelsea and QPR wins today. They've both got difficult games after that, so we have to beat Fulham as we won't beat Man U away.
I expect qpr and Chelsea to win today and am hoping for resounding wins to peg the goal difference back a bit in the process.
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so we have to beat Fulham as we won't beat Man U away.
Oh ye have little faith!
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Looked like we might go last weekend, looks like we might stay this one. The old cliché about twists and turns is certainly proving true. If Wigan would just fuck off and start losing again that would obviously be a massive help but if we maintain the form of recent weeks we should still be ok. Norwich dark horses for the drop for me. Their form is shocking. Swansea at home's a cushy tie at the moment and they couldn't win it.
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Stating the obvious but we could really do with Chelsea and QPR wins today. They've both got difficult games after that, so we have to beat Fulham as we won't beat Man U away.
I wouldn't object to a draw between QPR and Wigan. Definitely rooting for a Chelsea win though. Being down the bottom is murder for your principles!
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We were talking about the Wigan game on the way out yesterday. A QPR win might give them a bit of momentum but keep Wigan away from us. On the other hand a point for Wigan might be vital to them at the end of the season. Arguments for both are valid really.
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I'd want a QPR win I reckon. I can't see them making it. Obviously a draw isn't a bad result either, as long as Wigan lose at Citeh
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Our GD still worries me. Could do with QPR and Chelsea both scoring 5 or 6!
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Yes - I think Norwich may have enough points where just 6 are needed to stay up.
Newcastle I think will be ok.
There's a good chance of all the others (inc. us) getting 39 points assuming we draw with those mentioned (Norwich, Sunderland and Wigan) so GD is definitely a factor.
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We were talking about the Wigan game on the way out yesterday. A QPR win might give them a bit of momentum but keep Wigan away from us. On the other hand a point for Wigan might be vital to them at the end of the season. Arguments for both are valid really.
Qpr are 10 behind us they still have some hard games to come too, they are minimal threat to us whereas wigan are a big threat- qpr need to win today and i hope they do- qpr may catch wigan or sunderland but they won't catch us now.
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Yes Arry has to step up to the oche today.
We need..er.. sorry QPR need to score 4 or even 5 to complete a memorable week for Aston Villa...sorry QPR
That Bobby Zamora what a centre forward. Tarabtt more skill than Messi could ever dream of. Wigan wont know whats hit them!
And do you know what will be the best thing will be.
Dave will be very very upset!!
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Yes Arry has to step up to the oche today.
We need..er.. sorry QPR need to score 4 or even 5 to complete a memorable week for Aston Villa...sorry QPR
That Bobby Zamora what a centre forward. Tarabtt more skill than Messi could ever dream of. Wigan wont know whats hit them!
And do you know what will be the best thing will be.
Dave will be very very upset!!
Can see qpr winning 4-0.
Cheers for yesterday by the way, Ron!
Would be lovely to send whelan down on the last day wouldnt it ;)
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Anything but a Wigan win I think. We need to keep them behind us, what with that game in hand and superior goal difference.
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The football gods will surely do the sensible thing and deliver comfortable wins for both Chelski and QPR.
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Yes a QPR win would help us in more ways than one, the other one being the demise of Wigan who I don't mind, I can't say the same about their perma -'listentome' chairman.
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We also need a Fulham win. They are pretty much safe on 39 points, so a win today, fucks Newcastle. It also likely puts them in a more relaxed mindset when they then visit us next weekend, ripe for the battering. As much as Sunderland and Stoke are on bad runs, Newcastle, for all of their talent can't seem to do much right recently either.
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So if Man United win their next 3 games they've won the league before they play us. Hopefully they'll play a carling cup type of side against us.
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Wigan are a pain in the arse, for us and everyone above us. Even if they lose today its "as you were" really as they still will have a game in hand. Sunderland are the team i'm counting on. Lets hope chelsea show up today.
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Chelsea got knocked out of the top 4 by Arsenal yesterday so they have a motivation.
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So if Man United win their next 3 games they've won the league before they play us. Hopefully they'll play a carling cup type of side against us.
Problem is united are out of the cups so they have nothing to rest their players for , unlike Chelsea who may be in 2 finals around the time they play us.
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United are hell bent on breaking their own points record. I think they will be up for every game here on in.
Chelsea have to turn up today, or they are going to find Champs league difficult, and thus their summer rebuild hard work.
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We also need a Fulham win. They are pretty much safe on 39 points, so a win today, fucks Newcastle. It also likely puts them in a more relaxed mindset when they then visit us next weekend, ripe for the battering. As much as Sunderland and Stoke are on bad runs, Newcastle, for all of their talent can't seem to do much right recently either.
I don't think we need a fulham win, our destiny is now very much in our own hands. But it'd be very, very funny to see the maggies sucked into the mix. They do have the games where they should be able to pick up enough points, but, as you say, they can't seem to do much right recently. Personally, I'd love to see them drop again. Largely cos of pardew, me just no likey. Rather them than sunderland. If you think back a couple of years, at this point our neighbours weren't really in too much trouble. Fast forward to ten minutes from the end of the season, and they'd gone. A similar scores-coming-in, how-the-f*#k-did-that-happen last-day scenario for the barcodes would keep me smiling all summer long
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is it almost as simple as one win plus beating Sunderland to stay up now, leaving them needing 8 from their othrr games which will be very tough?
That was my thought also. I think if we beat Sunderland at home we are safe. Leaves them in the s**t, and us having to grind out 2 or 3 points from elsewhere.
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Ive done the points predictor...
I have Reading and QPR going down joined by... STOKE
Wigan to survive by getting a point against us last game of the season
I get us picking up 43 points and finishing 12th... think the only loses we will have are chelsea and Man U, will win the rest (bar wigan)
I guess the important thing is i have stoke going down on 34 points, so 35 point and above i think is safe...
I dont think we will end up on 43 points as its too hard to call which game(s) we will throw the 3 points away due to a calamity of errors... but now i am convinced we are safe!
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Just done the predictor again and I got us on 41 points and 14th.
I had wigan going down with 36 after drawing with us on the final day - if they beat us it would have been stoke or Sunderland both on 37.
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We also need a Fulham win. They are pretty much safe on 39 points, so a win today, fucks Newcastle. It also likely puts them in a more relaxed mindset when they then visit us next weekend, ripe for the battering. As much as Sunderland and Stoke are on bad runs, Newcastle, for all of their talent can't seem to do much right recently either.
They don't get mentioned in this type of discussion too much, and I suppose it is likely they'll beat Fulham at St James Park...but if they don't, Newcastle are exactly as in it as we are.
Strange old season.
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We also need a Fulham win. They are pretty much safe on 39 points, so a win today, fucks Newcastle. It also likely puts them in a more relaxed mindset when they then visit us next weekend, ripe for the battering. As much as Sunderland and Stoke are on bad runs, Newcastle, for all of their talent can't seem to do much right recently either.
I don't think we need a fulham win, our destiny is now very much in our own hands. But it'd be very, very funny to see them sucked into the mix. They do have the games where they should be able to pick up enough points, but, as you say, they can't seem to do much right recently. Personally, I'd love to see them drop again. Largely cos of pardew, me just no likey. Rather them than sunderland. If you think back a couple of years, at this point our neighbours weren't really in too much trouble. Fast forward to ten minutes from the end of the season, and they'd gone. A similar scores-coming-in, how-the-f*#k-did-that-happen last-day scenario for the barcodes would keep me smiling all summer long
The really annoying thing about Newcastle is the way they have this irrational hatred of us just because we took the piss when we relegated them on the last day of the season a few years back, as if no other fans would have done the same.They behave like we single handedly took them down
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We also need a Fulham win. They are pretty much safe on 39 points, so a win today, fucks Newcastle. It also likely puts them in a more relaxed mindset when they then visit us next weekend, ripe for the battering. As much as Sunderland and Stoke are on bad runs, Newcastle, for all of their talent can't seem to do much right recently either.
I don't think we need a fulham win, our destiny is now very much in our own hands. But it'd be very, very funny to see them sucked into the mix. They do have the games where they should be able to pick up enough points, but, as you say, they can't seem to do much right recently. Personally, I'd love to see them drop again. Largely cos of pardew, me just no likey. Rather them than sunderland. If you think back a couple of years, at this point our neighbours weren't really in too much trouble. Fast forward to ten minutes from the end of the season, and they'd gone. A similar scores-coming-in, how-the-f*#k-did-that-happen last-day scenario for the barcodes would keep me smiling all summer long
The really annoying thing about Newcastle is the way they have this irrational hatred of us just because we took the piss when we relegated them on the last day of the season a few years back, as if no other fans would have done the same.They behave like we single handedly took them down
Was about to post the very same. I would piss myself for a week straight if they went with the squad they have now! Pardew has bought well, but they have not coped with Europe at all this season in the league. We could, and should have nicked a draw at our place second half where we threw everything at them and Krul was very good. Had we scored in that, they would currently be on 31 and looking very worried.
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We also need a Fulham win. They are pretty much safe on 39 points, so a win today, fucks Newcastle. It also likely puts them in a more relaxed mindset when they then visit us next weekend, ripe for the battering. As much as Sunderland and Stoke are on bad runs, Newcastle, for all of their talent can't seem to do much right recently either.
I don't think we need a fulham win, our destiny is now very much in our own hands. But it'd be very, very funny to see them sucked into the mix. They do have the games where they should be able to pick up enough points, but, as you say, they can't seem to do much right recently. Personally, I'd love to see them drop again. Largely cos of pardew, me just no likey. Rather them than sunderland. If you think back a couple of years, at this point our neighbours weren't really in too much trouble. Fast forward to ten minutes from the end of the season, and they'd gone. A similar scores-coming-in, how-the-f*#k-did-that-happen last-day scenario for the barcodes would keep me smiling all summer long
The really annoying thing about Newcastle is the way they have this irrational hatred of us just because we took the piss when we relegated them on the last day of the season a few years back, as if no other fans would have done the same.They behave like we single handedly took them down
Was about to post the very same. I would piss myself for a week straight if they went with the squad they have now! Pardew has bought well, but they have not coped with Europe at all this season in the league. We could, and should have nicked a draw at our place second half where we threw everything at them and Krul was very good. Had we scored in that, they would currently be on 31 and looking very worried.
There's a few rumours recently that pardew might soon be for the chop - benitez being tipped strongly.
Apparently although pardew has a long contract ashley inserted a few clauses in it which could hasten his departure.
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Benitez and Ashley together, not a pie left in the North East
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Ive done the points predictor...
I have Reading and QPR going down joined by... STOKE
Wigan to survive by getting a point against us last game of the season
I get us picking up 43 points and finishing 12th... think the only loses we will have are chelsea and Man U, will win the rest (bar wigan)
I guess the important thing is i have stoke going down on 34 points, so 35 point and above i think is safe...
I dont think we will end up on 43 points as its too hard to call which game(s) we will throw the 3 points away due to a calamity of errors... but now i am convinced we are safe!
As bad as Stoke are, it's hard to believe they won't pick up a single point between now and the end of the season. Their fixtures aren't great but there's still the odd game where I would expect them to get something. I think they have Norwich at home for one.
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I think on the basis of yesterday though there's only one team who's potentially going to hit 40 points and that's not Stoke.
7 points from Fulham, Sunderland and Norwich and the other games won't matter, infact I reckon 38 will be enough.
Newcastle remind me a lot of us in 10/11, lots of good attacking players but a whole stack of injuries and they were rock solid defensively for most of last season.
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Ive done the points predictor...
I have Reading and QPR going down joined by... STOKE
Wigan to survive by getting a point against us last game of the season
I get us picking up 43 points and finishing 12th... think the only loses we will have are chelsea and Man U, will win the rest (bar wigan)
I guess the important thing is i have stoke going down on 34 points, so 35 point and above i think is safe...
I dont think we will end up on 43 points as its too hard to call which game(s) we will throw the 3 points away due to a calamity of errors... but now i am convinced we are safe!
As bad as Stoke are, it's hard to believe they won't pick up a single point between now and the end of the season. Their fixtures aren't great but there's still the odd game where I would expect them to get something. I think they have Norwich at home for one.
They've recently played a bottom-three side at home. Don't recall them getting too much out of that
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Looking back at the first few pages of this thread shows the folly of trying to predict more than one game at a time. There are too many variables and there are always surprises.
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Looking back at the first few pages of this thread shows the folly of trying to predict more than one game at a time. There are too many variables and there are always surprises.
Of course chris, but its all a bit of fun .
Twists and turns all the way to may 19th.
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Looking back at the first few pages of this thread shows the folly of trying to predict more than one game at a time. There are too many variables and there are always surprises.
I could'nt agree more.
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Looking back at the first few pages of this thread shows the folly of trying to predict more than one game at a time. There are too many variables and there are always surprises.
I could'nt agree more.
Strange that as you've probably speculated on results more than anyone ;)
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Looking back at the first few pages of this thread shows the folly of trying to predict more than one game at a time. There are too many variables and there are always surprises.
I could'nt agree more.
Strange that as you've probably speculated on results more than anyone ;)
Other's teams results I have, and ours in the relevant pre-match thread.
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Looking back at the first few pages of this thread shows the folly of trying to predict more than one game at a time. There are too many variables and there are always surprises.
I could'nt agree more.
Strange that as you've probably speculated on results more than anyone ;)
Other's teams results I have, and ours in the relevant pre-match thread.
Well newcastle are probably out of it now, sunderlands defeat is good news , lets hope qpr can hold on or nick a winner.
Next weeks fixtures look favourable to us.
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So if Man United win their next 3 games they've won the league before they play us. Hopefully they'll play a carling cup type of side against us.
Problem is united are out of the cups so they have nothing to rest their players for , unlike Chelsea who may be in 2 finals around the time they play us.
Apologies if this has already been answered but If Chelsea get to the FA cup final when is our game against them played? Hopefully 3 days before the final and not after.
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So if Man United win their next 3 games they've won the league before they play us. Hopefully they'll play a carling cup type of side against us.
Problem is united are out of the cups so they have nothing to rest their players for , unlike Chelsea who may be in 2 finals around the time they play us.
Apologies if this has already been answered but If Chelsea get to the FA cup final when is our game against them played? Hopefully 3 days before the final and not after.
They'd probably need to get there before thinking about the date.
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So if Man United win their next 3 games they've won the league before they play us. Hopefully they'll play a carling cup type of side against us.
Problem is united are out of the cups so they have nothing to rest their players for , unlike Chelsea who may be in 2 finals around the time they play us.
Apologies if this has already been answered but If Chelsea get to the FA cup final when is our game against them played? Hopefully 3 days before the final and not after.
They'd probably need to get there before thinking about the date.
There's a joke in there about getting your leg over, but I'm too tired to get to it.
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Not a bad afternoon for us...not a bad one at all.
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Not a bad afternoon for us...not a bad one at all.
Indeed.
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It's all about momentum at this stage of the season imo....and scoring goals.
With 3 wins in 4 we have both and Sunderland and Stoke with their 1 win in 12 or whatever it is don't.
So I don't see how it can translate that in the last 6 games we won't win again this season and Stoke and Sunderland will win 2-3 each (also when you consider Stoke and Sunderland play each other in a few weeks which rules out one if not both of winning a game).
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We could be practically mid table if we beat Fulham next week. What a difference a few wins make!
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Next weekend is now officially HUGE. Chuffed we get to play first.
Winning ours, and arsenal turning over norwich at home would put us level on points with the barcodes going into Sunday, with six clubs then below us.
And then watching as stoke and sunderland and newcastle flounder about under the pressure on Sunday afternoon would be fantastic.
I'm definitely not taking anything for granted, what with the way this season's gone so far, but I'm starting to believe that that light at the end of the tunnel isn't a massive train coming the other way!
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Not a bad afternoon for us...not a bad one at all.
Indeed.
Perfect really. QPR and Reading are gone after those results. Good thing now it's in our hands, ok a long way to go but better than it was on Sat morning.
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So if Man United win their next 3 games they've won the league before they play us. Hopefully they'll play a carling cup type of side against us.
Problem is united are out of the cups so they have nothing to rest their players for , unlike Chelsea who may be in 2 finals around the time they play us.
Apologies if this has already been answered but If Chelsea get to the FA cup final when is our game against them played? Hopefully 3 days before the final and not after.
I think it would be after, UNLESS, they also get to the Europa Final, then it would probably have to be played before the 2 cup finals
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I'm really looking forward to that game now.
Reckon we can be pretty much safe by that game, maybe them playing a weakened team, beating them and making it difficult for them to qualify for the champions league and stopping Mourinho return would be oh so sweet after what they did to us in December.
The players will be massively up for it aswell I suspect.
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How can the same bookies have us at 3s to go down and Stoke 8s when they're the worst form team in the league, we're picking up, we're a point behind and just battered them?
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How can the same bookies have us at 3s to go down and Stoke 8s when they're the worst form team in the league, we're picking up, we're a point behind and just battered them?
It seems to be the general thinking. Think it was on 606 today that some caller and the presenter seemed in agreement that the third spot's now between us, sunderland and wigan. Stoke don't seem to come into anybody else's thinking. Apparently we're the only ones who've noticed how bad they are, how bad they've been, and how bad their remaining fixtures are. Get down the bookies quick before they come to their senses!!
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How can the same bookies have us at 3s to go down and Stoke 8s when they're the worst form team in the league, we're picking up, we're a point behind and just battered them?
They play QPR, Sunderland, Norwich and Southampton in the run in - on current form they don't look like winning any of them, but I suppose the bookies look at their goal difference and think they'll do enough in those games.
Of those games only Norwich is at the Britannia mind.
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It's all about momentum at this stage of the season imo....and scoring goals.
With 3 wins in 4 we have both and Sunderland and Stoke with their 1 win in 12 or whatever it is don't.
So I don't see how it can translate that in the last 6 games we won't win again this season and Stoke and Sunderland will win 2-3 each (also when you consider Stoke and Sunderland play each other in a few weeks which rules out one if not both of winning a game).
I wish Southampton were still involved in this...
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It's all about momentum at this stage of the season imo....and scoring goals.
With 3 wins in 4 we have both and Sunderland and Stoke with their 1 win in 12 or whatever it is don't.
So I don't see how it can translate that in the last 6 games we won't win again this season and Stoke and Sunderland will win 2-3 each (also when you consider Stoke and Sunderland play each other in a few weeks which rules out one if not both of winning a game).
I wish Southampton were still involved in this...
It's quite tedious to think that had we not ballsed up the two matches against them, we'd be tenth and they'd now have the same points as Sunderland and Wigan.
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Holman scores the one against the bar against Wigan to make it 1-1 and the ref doesn't buy the Rodriguez dive and we may well be safe now having come back and won those games. There have been some pretty fine lines this season go against us often until the last few weeks. I said in January Lambert is the unluckiest manager I can remember. Thankfully some of that appears to have changed a bit.
Amazing that we would be 6th if games finished at half time. It shows we have something.
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So if Man United win their next 3 games they've won the league before they play us. Hopefully they'll play a carling cup type of side against us.
Problem is united are out of the cups so they have nothing to rest their players for , unlike Chelsea who may be in 2 finals around the time they play us.
Apologies if this has already been answered but If Chelsea get to the FA cup final when is our game against them played? Hopefully 3 days before the final and not after.
It will depend also if they're still in Europe. If they get to both finals their only free midweek is May 7/8, a few days before the FA cup final and a week before Europa League final - and they'd have to fit in games against both us and Spurs!
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Stoke do look in real trouble. They're reliant on their home form, but have to play Man U and Spurs at the BRitannia.
I can see them getting about 1-3 more points:
Man U H - lose
QPR A - lose
Norwich H - win or draw
Sunderland a - draw or lose
Spurs h - lose
Southampton a - lose
That'd be 37 points or so
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It's all about momentum at this stage of the season imo....and scoring goals.
With 3 wins in 4 we have both and Sunderland and Stoke with their 1 win in 12 or whatever it is don't.
So I don't see how it can translate that in the last 6 games we won't win again this season and Stoke and Sunderland will win 2-3 each (also when you consider Stoke and Sunderland play each other in a few weeks which rules out one if not both of winning a game).
I wish Southampton were still involved in this...
What makes you think they are not still involved? Anybody up to Southampton can mathematically go down
People are saying Newcastle are safe now. Thats ridiculous in the extreme.
Sunderland were a bit unlucky yesterday thats what happens when you are in trouble. QPR were not unlucky . Both Bobby Zamora and M'Bia
have contributed fully to QPRs probable relegation.
We cannot afford even a draw against Fulham .We must win this one. Still too many games left.
Who do I think will go down with Reading and QPR?
Sunderland or Stoke, with Newcastle as an outside bet!
But not Wigan.....unfortunately.
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It's all about momentum at this stage of the season imo....and scoring goals.
With 3 wins in 4 we have both and Sunderland and Stoke with their 1 win in 12 or whatever it is don't.
So I don't see how it can translate that in the last 6 games we won't win again this season and Stoke and Sunderland will win 2-3 each (also when you consider Stoke and Sunderland play each other in a few weeks which rules out one if not both of winning a game).
I wish Southampton were still involved in this...
What makes you think they are not still involved? Anybody up to Southampton can mathematically go down
People are saying Newcastle are safe now. Thats ridiculous in the extreme.
Sunderland were a bit unlucky yesterday thats what happens when you are in trouble. QPR were not unlucky . Both Bobby Zamora and M'Bia
have contributed fully to QPRs probable relegation.
We cannot afford even a draw against Fulham .We must win this one. Still too many games left.
Who do I think will go down with Reading and QPR?
Sunderland or Stoke, with Newcastle as an outside bet!
But not Wigan.....unfortunately.
I'd say newcastle and saints are ok now- Norwich may get dragged in , stoke and Sunderland are in big trouble though- i think villa and wigan will both survive.
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I agree with you at this moment in time. Wigan always seem to escape by just doing enough. Qpr match was a typical example. You've got to say fair play to them for digging themselves out each year. I don't really like whelan or Martinez, but nothing against the club or the fans. Nice it was an ex- villa player to break 'arry's heart.
Stoke and Sunderland on the other hand are both in shocking veins of form. Either of them could go and it could be that whoever wins out of that game stays up, if there is a winner. I suppose a draw might suit us better really, depending on our result that week.
We're by no means safe, but definitely on form we're heading in the right direction. To win at stoke would be a huge confidence boost to all concerned.
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Luckily they have to play Tottenham with bale back.
As it is they have 4 games to target. If we can beat Fulham next week then we are really back in the realms of traking a bit of pressure off. Although, you have to say that the team have responded to the pressure that they have put themselves under.
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How can the same bookies have us at 3s to go down and Stoke 8s when they're the worst form team in the league, we're picking up, we're a point behind and just battered them?
They're 6/1 with William Hill. It is strange though. Maybe it's because we've been down there all season and Stoke have'nt. Still, it might be worth a fiver on them, they were awful on Saturday.
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If utd and arsenal beat stoke and Norwich this weekend a win over Fulham sees us leap clear of both and open a 5 point gap on Sunderland and wigan.
That could be huge with 5 to play looking at the fixtures.
Sunderland have a tough game at newcastle followed by the visit of everton - it's possible that winning our next 2 home games could see us just about home and dry .
There is bright light at the end of the tunnel.
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Although they lost yesterday, Di Canio did seem to get a reaction out of Sunderland. However, that feel good factor won't last if they also lose their next two games, which are toughies. I think we'll be above them by the time we play them, so IF we then win that game it really makes it hard for them to finish above us. If I was a Sunderland fan, I'd be looking at Stoke as the team to finish above for survival.
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Holman scores the one against the bar against Wigan to make it 1-1 and the ref doesn't buy the Rodriguez dive and we may well be safe now having come back and won those games. There have been some pretty fine lines this season go against us often until the last few weeks. I said in January Lambert is the unluckiest manager I can remember. Thankfully some of that appears to have changed a bit.
Amazing that we would be 6th if games finished at half time. It shows we have something.
Whilst there is only one table that really matters, I do agree with you!
There will be plenty that don't/won't see it, but I think Lambert is doing a good job and slowly turning the club around. It's been a bumpy road, and we haven't got to the end of it yet, but if it wasn't for constantly shooting ourselves in the foot with defensive lapses we'd be a comfortable mid table team in what is effectively a transitional year.
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As a small pointer, with absolutely no science or research or even much serious thought to back it up whatsoever, I give you Gabby's goal; keeper and defender flailing around at the near post, ball still ends up in the net. Just the kind you concede when you're dooooooooomed.
Fingers crossed.
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I wish Sunderland would just make up their mind about letting me dislike them or not. For years they don't register to me at all then they appoint MON, so obviously I want them relegated, he gets fired (quite like them for that in fact) so I can turn back to my traditional Scottish team to dislike,that being Newcastle. Then they have to go and appoint PDC who in this current season had a pop at us after the Swindon game.Mmmm
On reflection, I think, as long as we stay safe I'd like Sunderland to stay up at the expense of Newcastle or failing that Stoook.
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I wish Sunderland would just make up their mind about letting me dislike them or not. For years they don't register to me at all then they appoint MON, so obviously I want them relegated, he gets fired (quite like them for that in fact) so I can turn back to my traditional Scottish team to dislike,that being Newcastle. Then they have to go and appoint PDC who in this current season had a pop at us after the Swindon game.Mmmm
On reflection, I think, as long as we stay safe I'd like Sunderland to stay up at the expense of Newcastle or failing that Stoook.
[/quotI wish Sunderland would just make up their mind about letting me dislike them or not. For years they don't register to me at all then they appoint MON, so obviously I want them relegated, he gets fired (quite like them for that in fact) so I can turn back to my traditional Scottish team to dislike,that being Newcastle. Then they have to go and appoint PDC who in this current season had a pop at us after the Swindon game.Mmmm
On reflection, I think, as long as we stay safe I'd like Sunderland to stay up at the expense of Newcastle or failing that Stoook.
No chance - Newcastle have 36 points now and will stay up after that late goal against Fulham. In fact, surely you'd want them to beat Sunderland this coming weekend? If that happens and we beat Fulham we'll have a 5 point cushion - we could then make ourseves almost safe by beating Sunderland on the 29th April?
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I think Manyoo should be looking to do us a favour. Historically they could count on us for 4-6 points a season, which in a tight year at the top could make all the difference for them. So now they have the title wrapped up, they should be thinking for the future.
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I think Manyoo should be looking to do us a favour. Historically they could count on us for 4-6 points a season, which in a tight year at the top could make all the difference for them. So now they have the title wrapped up, they should be thinking for the future.
The trouble is if United & Man City continue winning between now and when they play us, they can win the title if they beat us.
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How can the same bookies have us at 3s to go down and Stoke 8s when they're the worst form team in the league, we're picking up, we're a point behind and just battered them?
Wishful thinking by punters. We're the biggest team down there so betters will have lumped on the Villa-relegation bandwagon. Just the same as most of us wanted Everton down in the nineties and pissed ourselves laughing when Leeds and Newcastle fucked off. If betters lump on, bookies have to react to cover their backs.
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Still a point ahead of my prediction.
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We will need 39 points to stay up because of our goal difference.
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We will need 39 points to stay up because of our goal difference.
A point a game? Gonna be tight innit?
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We will need 39 points to stay up because of our goal difference.
Looking at things currently we could need 40 +
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All the teams around us are capable of picking up points.
Need Newcastle to get something today. Norwich could end up a key game. Beat both Sunderland and Norwich and we'll be fine.
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Newcastle doing us no favours then. Thanks a lot Fabian, you useless fuck
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It's looking 40 points plus, we badly need Man Utd to win.
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We have to win either Norwich or Sunderland, two draws won't be enough imo as Sunderland and Norwich will remain above us and you have to assume Wigan will win a game aswell.
Two draws and we'd probably have to win at Wigan on the final day to get to 39 and have a chance, wouldn't fancy us at all if that was the scenario unless Wigan were safe then.
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Newcastle getting dragged back into it. Two points ahead of us and a very difficult fixture list for them. We need two wins against two of Norwich, Sunderland and Wigan. United and Chelsea are bonus games that with the grace of God we could pull a point out of.
I'm not too scared. We're a better team than Norwich and Sunderland.
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We have to win either Norwich or Sunderland, two draws won't be enough imo as Sunderland and Norwich will remain above us and you have to assume Wigan will win a game aswell.
Two draws and we'd probably have to win at Wigan on the final day to get to 39 and have a chance, wouldn't fancy us at all if that was the scenario unless Wigan were safe then.
Agreed. Assuming nowt vs Man Yoo and Chelsea then 4 points is minimum...I get the feeling that Wigan will need to beat us last game to stay up...
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Just looking now, if Chelsea progress to the Europa League final, they will play it on the 15th, just 3 days after playing us. They would most probably play a weakened side
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Just looking now, if Chelsea progress to the Europa League final, they will play it on the 15th, just 3 days after playing us. They would most probably play a weakened side
if only things worked like that. Before they kicked 8 shits out of us, they played the World Club Championships in Japan and came home and battered Leeds in the FA Cup. They were supposed to be tired.
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Just looking now, if Chelsea progress to the Europa League final, they will play it on the 15th, just 3 days after playing us. They would most probably play a weakened side
I think they'll put top 4 before the Europa Cup final to be honest
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Just looking now, if Chelsea progress to the Europa League final, they will play it on the 15th, just 3 days after playing us. They would most probably play a weakened side
I think they'll put top 4 before the Europa Cup final to be honest
If they win today they won't be playing us on the 11th or 12th anyway as they will be in the fa cup final.
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Yeah good points, I guess I'm clutching at straws
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Would they play us midweek before the cup final then if they win today?
That said, they'll probably put a full strength out against us and think they can beat Wigan in the final with a mish mash of a team.
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Just looking now, if Chelsea progress to the Europa League final, they will play it on the 15th, just 3 days after playing us. They would most probably play a weakened side
I think they'll put top 4 before the Europa Cup final to be honest
I'd have thought Benitez, who isn't going to be there next season, would be more likely to want a trophy.
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Just looking now, if Chelsea progress to the Europa League final, they will play it on the 15th, just 3 days after playing us. They would most probably play a weakened side
I think they'll put top 4 before the Europa Cup final to be honest
I'd have thought Benitez, who isn't going to be there next season, would be more likely to want a trophy.
I hope your right. Lets hope Abramovich doesn't get the final say on things
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Newcastle doing us no favours then. Thanks a lot Fabian, you useless fuck
Not useless, unlucky. Delph has been our best player in 2013.
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Newcastle doing us no favours then. Thanks a lot Fabian, you useless fuck
Not useless, unlucky. Delph has been our best player in 2013.
very much agree. He scored an own goal. Not like he was trying to do that. The rest of his game has come on leaps and bounds this season.
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Newcastle doing us no favours then. Thanks a lot Fabian, you useless fuck
Blimey, not too demanding then, are we?
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There is no getting away from the fact that we are going to need a minimum of six points from five games.
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And in reality it's 6 from 3 games. We'll get nothing at Man U or against Chelsea.
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Not closing that game out yesterday looks like a bit of a pisser after the Sunderland result. Squeaky bum time for the next five games.
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Newcastle doing us no favours then. Thanks a lot Fabian, you useless fuck
Not useless, unlucky. Delph has been our best player in 2013.
An unfortunate fuck maybe but our most improved player of 2013 without whom we may well be sunk already...
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And in reality it's 6 from 3 games. We'll get nothing at Man U or against Chelsea.
yes we will, have faith.
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And in reality it's 6 from 3 games. We'll get nothing at Man U or against Chelsea.
I'm not writing those games off.
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Think that sunderland's result today was down to a coincidence.
The 'new manager bounce' with Newcastle's 'no idea really' streak.
And, it was Newcastle.
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Think that sunderland's result today was down to a coincidence.
The 'new manager bounce' with Newcastle's 'no idea really' streak.
Hope you are right. I am really nervous about us at the moment.
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I would back us against Sunderland were it not for frankly appalling Monday night sky record.
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Think that sunderland's result today was down to a coincidence.
The 'new manager bounce' with Newcastle's 'no idea really' streak.
Hope you are right. I am really nervous about us at the moment.
It's worth stressing just how pathetic Newcastle were today.
Sunderland didn't really look much better. They deserved to win by virtue of the fact they were better than Newcastle, but Newcastle were utter dross. So much so that I immediately reevaluated my previous decision they weren't in a relegation scrap.
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Sunderland also scored 3 screamers. They were not threatening even. Newcastle lost their heads.
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I would back us against Sunderland were it not for frankly appalling Monday night sky record.
History doesn't always repeat itself.
And in reality it's 6 from 3 games. We'll get nothing at Man U or against Chelsea.
I'm not writing those games off.
Me neither. Proving I can be contradictory when it suits, historically, there seems to be a shock positive result each season, so I'm hoping for at least a point from these 2 games.
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We shouldn't rule out points against Chelsea and Man U. But if we're dependent on them then we're in a whole heap of shit
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Keep it tight against United, i.e. don't come away with a bruised goal difference and play for a point against Chelsea and I'd back us to be on 38+ by the time we go to Wigan. And, as I have said before, they are only Wigan!
In January it looked like we would be relegated before the Wigan game. As things stand the worst case scenario is that we will need something on the final day. Back in January I'd have snapped your hand off for 34 points at this stage! And our goal difference has been steadily improving. That said we'd be looking pretty safe now but for stupid errors (Clark against Man City, Baker against Liverpool).
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Sunderland also scored 3 screamers. They were not threatening even. Newcastle lost their heads.
Just seen the goals agreed all screamers the closing down was poor for the first 2 though and the Newcastle offside goal was a shocking call by the linesman,
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Positives - we are still 1 point ahead on my original forecast. Negatives, just have this horrible feeling we have peaked too soon.......and the target for survival keeps going up. I genuinely think two more wins will do it. With Wigan playing Spurs and Arsenal, can I see them winning all 3 of their other games, no, so us avoiding defeat there will seal it. I am fearful however.
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We are still level on my forecast. Three points dropped unexpectedly, but also three points gained unexpectedly.
I have us down to beat Sunderland and Wigan and draw with Norwich, leaving us safe on 41.
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So, Wigan get 0 points at spurs - remain on 31 points
Win at the Boggies - 34 points
Beat Swansea at home - 37 points
Lose at Arsenal - emain on 37 points
Draw against us - total 38 points
We are on 34 points now, with the point against Wigan that is 35.
We would need 4 points (to be sure with GD) out of Sunderland/Norwich and Chelsea.
I'm ok with that.
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I think Wigan will get a point at the Albion tops and wouldn't be surprised if they fail to beat Swansea given what is happening three days later.
Wigan to drop for me, Stoke to come 17th and us 16th/15th depending on whether we beat Norwich.
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Hope you're right Ads, because I'm fed up with this stress.
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Hope you're right Ads, because I'm fed up with this stress.
Stress will be eased after the Wigan Spurs game come Saturday evening. Further relief will be felt Monday night.
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I certainly hope so, ideally we'll beat Sunderland, Norwich and Chelsea and can relax on last day.
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Remember GT MK11, Sunderland home i a must win relegation clash near the end of the season.
This year's Marcus Allback will be Darren Bent.
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A Wigan defeat on Sat and a win for us on Monday would make a massive difference. This time next week the world could be a much better place.
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Quite frankly Darren Bent should have been given the second half against Man U as we had already lost.
1. To give Benteke a rest for the crucial games ahead
2. To get Benty up to speed should he be needed off the bench in these crucial games.
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Quite frankly Darren Bent should have been given the second half against Man U as we had already lost.
1. To give Benteke a rest for the crucial games ahead
2. To get Benty up to speed should he be needed off the bench in these crucial games.
Lerner/Lambert don't want him anywhere near the team because they're desperate to get him off the wage bill. In their twisted world it's more important to get him off the wage bill next season than it is to stay in the Premier League.
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I reckon they will beat West Brom and Swansea. Swansea have been on holiday since they won their cup final in February while Albion have been on the beach since they drew theirs in January. Hopefully Wigan's own cup final will act as a distraction for the Swansea game but I've no confidence in those Yam Yam twats whatsoever.
If we beat Sunderland we drag them and at least one of Norwich or Stoke (they play each other) back into it. So let's do that.
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Quite frankly Darren Bent should have been given the second half against Man U as we had already lost.
1. To give Benteke a rest for the crucial games ahead
2. To get Benty up to speed should he be needed off the bench in these crucial games.
Lerner/Lambert don't want him anywhere near the team because they're desperate to get him off the wage bill. In their twisted world it's more important to get him off the wage bill next season than it is to stay in the Premier League.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If he was banging in the goals it would help us flog him and we'd get a better price. Time to go back to conspiracy theory school.
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Quite frankly Darren Bent should have been given the second half against Man U as we had already lost.
1. To give Benteke a rest for the crucial games ahead
2. To get Benty up to speed should he be needed off the bench in these crucial games.
Lerner/Lambert don't want him anywhere near the team because they're desperate to get him off the wage bill. In their twisted world it's more important to get him off the wage bill next season than it is to stay in the Premier League.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If he was banging in the goals it would help us flog him and we'd get a better price. Time to go back to conspiracy theory school.
Yeah and it would make it even more difficult for them to flog him in the summer. Imagine the uproar from the fans if they tried to flog him after a successful goal scoring season.
By the way I'm not the only one to think like this. Ask Matt Kendrick at the Mail and find out who he's been speaking to.
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I'm sure if PL thought that by playing Bent we would stand a better chance of staying up he'd do it. He may well decide that next Monday is such an opportunity, however I doubt he'd compromise his principles. After all, if we did go down it would go against his reputation and put his job in jepordy as you would expect.
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Quite frankly Darren Bent should have been given the second half against Man U as we had already lost.
1. To give Benteke a rest for the crucial games ahead
2. To get Benty up to speed should he be needed off the bench in these crucial games.
Lerner/Lambert don't want him anywhere near the team because they're desperate to get him off the wage bill. In their twisted world it's more important to get him off the wage bill next season than it is to stay in the Premier League.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If he was banging in the goals it would help us flog him and we'd get a better price. Time to go back to conspiracy theory school.
Yeah and it would make it even more difficult for them to flog him in the summer. Imagine the uproar from the fans if they tried to flog him after a successful goal scoring season.
By the way I'm not the only one to think like this. Ask Matt Kendrick at the Mail and find out who he's been speaking to.
I doubt he's talked to anyone who actually knows though, i.e. Lerner or Lambert.
Every year we get a player who is out of the side who a section of fans think if only he was playing all our troubles would disappear.
Bent and Benteke can't play together, in my view. They want to make the same runs and take up similar positions and end up just getting in each others way. I think most people who have watched us would say that, of the two, it is the correct decision to play Christian.
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I'm sure if PL thought that by playing Bent we would stand a better chance of staying up he'd do it. He may well decide that next Monday is such an opportunity, however I doubt he'd compromise his principles. After all, if we did go down it would go against his reputation and put his job in jepordy as you would expect.
I doubt if there's another manager in the land who wouldn't play a goal scorer as good as Bent in a relegation battle. It's just madness that he's sitting twiddling his thumbs while Wiemann runs around like a headless chicken. It's madness. We need him in the team!
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Personally, I think Wiemann is playing well. He works extremely well with Benteke
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I'm sure if PL thought that by playing Bent we would stand a better chance of staying up he'd do it. He may well decide that next Monday is such an opportunity, however I doubt he'd compromise his principles. After all, if we did go down it would go against his reputation and put his job in jepordy as you would expect.
I doubt if there's another manager in the land who wouldn't play a goal scorer as good as Bent in a relegation battle. It's just madness that he's sitting twiddling his thumbs while Wiemann runs around like a headless chicken. It's madness. We need him in the team!
Weimann doesn't run around like a headless chicken. He is a young player with good movement who creates space and has scored a few vital goals this season - he will improve with experience .
Bent is no doubt a quality finisher but he doesn't fit into the system lambert plays , bent was at his most prolific with service from the wide areas from downing and young .
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Personally, I think Wiemann is playing well. He works extremely well with Benteke
He hasn't played well for weeks.
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If we're not doing well on Monday I'd be tempted to bring Bent on with half an hour to go on the "bound to score against former club" basis.
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I'm sure if PL thought that by playing Bent we would stand a better chance of staying up he'd do it. He may well decide that next Monday is such an opportunity, however I doubt he'd compromise his principles. After all, if we did go down it would go against his reputation and put his job in jepordy as you would expect.
I doubt if there's another manager in the land who wouldn't play a goal scorer as good as Bent in a relegation battle. It's just madness that he's sitting twiddling his thumbs while Wiemann runs around like a headless chicken. It's madness. We need him in the team!
Weimann doesn't run around like a headless chicken. He is a young player with good movement who creates space and has scored a few vital goals this season - he will improve with experience .
Bent is no doubt a quality finisher but he doesn't fit into the system lambert plays , bent was at his most prolific with service from the wide areas from downing and young .
Yes yes I know Weimann's a good young player and I've said elsewhere that he's one of only a few players who can hold his head up high when the season ends, but he has been poor lately and has contributed nothing of note. He needs to be rested and replaced by Bent for the run in.
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Weimann doesn't run around like a headless chicken. He is a young player with good movement who creates space and has scored a few vital goals this season - he will improve with experience .
It's not surprising how many opposition fans really rate Weimann. Maybe they watch him without the stress of being a Villa fan or the threat he makes to their teams. He's a great talent and although he's missed a few lately, he's a natural goalscorer so I'm not too concerned at the moment. I'd only like to see him get in the box more often. Stuck out wide, despite his tracking back, he's not being allowed to play to his full potential.
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Weimann doesn't run around like a headless chicken. He is a young player with good movement who creates space and has scored a few vital goals this season - he will improve with experience .
It's not surprising how many opposition fans really rate Weimann. Maybe they watch him without the stress of being a Villa fan or the threat he makes to their teams. He's a great talent and although he's missed a few lately, he's a natural goalscorer so I'm not too concerned at the moment. I'd only like to see him get in the box more often. Stuck out wide, despite his tracking back, he's not being allowed to play to his full potential.
Agree to an extent but I think back to how Gabby benefited from playing out wide in his early career, it's a way of getting him used to PL football without the weight of expectation of being up front.
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You cannot play Bent and Benteke together in my view. No manager in the land is going to pick Bent over Benteke, the later offers far, far more.
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Quite frankly Darren Bent should have been given the second half against Man U as we had already lost.
1. To give Benteke a rest for the crucial games ahead
2. To get Benty up to speed should he be needed off the bench in these crucial games.
Lerner/Lambert don't want him anywhere near the team because they're desperate to get him off the wage bill. In their twisted world it's more important to get him off the wage bill next season than it is to stay in the Premier League.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If he was banging in the goals it would help us flog him and we'd get a better price. Time to go back to conspiracy theory school.
Yeah and it would make it even more difficult for them to flog him in the summer. Imagine the uproar from the fans if they tried to flog him after a successful goal scoring season.
By the way I'm not the only one to think like this. Ask Matt Kendrick at the Mail and find out who he's been speaking to.
Seriously, what a load of cobblers.
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Quite frankly Darren Bent should have been given the second half against Man U as we had already lost.
1. To give Benteke a rest for the crucial games ahead
2. To get Benty up to speed should he be needed off the bench in these crucial games.
Lerner/Lambert don't want him anywhere near the team because they're desperate to get him off the wage bill. In their twisted world it's more important to get him off the wage bill next season than it is to stay in the Premier League.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If he was banging in the goals it would help us flog him and we'd get a better price. Time to go back to conspiracy theory school.
Yeah and it would make it even more difficult for them to flog him in the summer. Imagine the uproar from the fans if they tried to flog him after a successful goal scoring season.
By the way I'm not the only one to think like this. Ask Matt Kendrick at the Mail and find out who he's been speaking to.
Seriously, what a load of cobblers.
Of course it is. Keep taking those happy tablets, ozzjim.
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The owner is happy to see the club get relegated just so that he can sell a player without the supporters being so upset. This being the same owner who made the most unpopular managerial appointment of all time less than two years ago, such is his reluctance to go against public opinion. I despair.
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The owner is happy to see the club get relegated just so that he can sell a player without the supporters being so upset. This being the same owner who made the most unpopular managerial appointment of all time less than two years ago, such is his reluctance to go against public opinion. I despair.
I wouldn't put anything past that man. Incompetent and irresponsible and out of his depth. I despair.
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Quite frankly Darren Bent should have been given the second half against Man U as we had already lost.
1. To give Benteke a rest for the crucial games ahead
2. To get Benty up to speed should he be needed off the bench in these crucial games.
Lerner/Lambert don't want him anywhere near the team because they're desperate to get him off the wage bill. In their twisted world it's more important to get him off the wage bill next season than it is to stay in the Premier League.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If he was banging in the goals it would help us flog him and we'd get a better price. Time to go back to conspiracy theory school.
Yeah and it would make it even more difficult for them to flog him in the summer. Imagine the uproar from the fans if they tried to flog him after a successful goal scoring season.
By the way I'm not the only one to think like this. Ask Matt Kendrick at the Mail and find out who he's been speaking to.
Seriously, what a load of cobblers.
Of course it is. Keep taking those happy tablets, ozzjim.
Instead of your suicide pills? Happily.
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Quite frankly Darren Bent should have been given the second half against Man U as we had already lost.
1. To give Benteke a rest for the crucial games ahead
2. To get Benty up to speed should he be needed off the bench in these crucial games.
Lerner/Lambert don't want him anywhere near the team because they're desperate to get him off the wage bill. In their twisted world it's more important to get him off the wage bill next season than it is to stay in the Premier League.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If he was banging in the goals it would help us flog him and we'd get a better price. Time to go back to conspiracy theory school.
Yeah and it would make it even more difficult for them to flog him in the summer. Imagine the uproar from the fans if they tried to flog him after a successful goal scoring season.
By the way I'm not the only one to think like this. Ask Matt Kendrick at the Mail and find out who he's been speaking to.
Seriously, what a load of cobblers.
Of course it is. Keep taking those happy tablets, ozzjim.
Instead of your suicide pills? Happily.
It's called realism. You should try it one day.
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Sunderland - Draw
Norwich - Win
Chelsea - Draw
Wigan - fuck knows
Would that see us going into the last game needing a win in all probability?
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Quite frankly Darren Bent should have been given the second half against Man U as we had already lost.
1. To give Benteke a rest for the crucial games ahead
2. To get Benty up to speed should he be needed off the bench in these crucial games.
Lerner/Lambert don't want him anywhere near the team because they're desperate to get him off the wage bill. In their twisted world it's more important to get him off the wage bill next season than it is to stay in the Premier League.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If he was banging in the goals it would help us flog him and we'd get a better price. Time to go back to conspiracy theory school.
Yeah and it would make it even more difficult for them to flog him in the summer. Imagine the uproar from the fans if they tried to flog him after a successful goal scoring season.
By the way I'm not the only one to think like this. Ask Matt Kendrick at the Mail and find out who he's been speaking to.
Seriously, what a load of cobblers.
Of course it is. Keep taking those happy tablets, ozzjim.
Instead of your suicide pills? Happily.
It's called realism. You should try it one day.
Not from you. Realism has some balance to it. You spout doom and try and paint the worst at all times for what appears to be pleasure. Trying to package misguided conspiracy theories as realism is frankly bull shit.
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The owner is happy to see the club get relegated just so that he can sell a player without the supporters being so upset. This being the same owner who made the most unpopular managerial appointment of all time less than two years ago, such is his reluctance to go against public opinion. I despair.
I wouldn't put anything past that man. Incompetent and irresponsible and out of his depth. I despair.
You also make up conspiracy theories that danlanza wouldn't believe.
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Quite frankly Darren Bent should have been given the second half against Man U as we had already lost.
1. To give Benteke a rest for the crucial games ahead
2. To get Benty up to speed should he be needed off the bench in these crucial games.
Lerner/Lambert don't want him anywhere near the team because they're desperate to get him off the wage bill. In their twisted world it's more important to get him off the wage bill next season than it is to stay in the Premier League.
That makes no sense whatsoever. If he was banging in the goals it would help us flog him and we'd get a better price. Time to go back to conspiracy theory school.
Yeah and it would make it even more difficult for them to flog him in the summer. Imagine the uproar from the fans if they tried to flog him after a successful goal scoring season.
By the way I'm not the only one to think like this. Ask Matt Kendrick at the Mail and find out who he's been speaking to.
Seriously, what a load of cobblers.
Of course it is. Keep taking those happy tablets, ozzjim.
Instead of your suicide pills? Happily.
It's called realism. You should try it one day.
Not from you. Realism has some balance to it. You spout doom and try and paint the worst at all times for what appears to be pleasure. Trying to package misguided conspiracy theories as realism is frankly bull shit.
You spout ridiculous optimism while the club spirals towards the drop yet you've got the nerve to talk about bullshit? What a nerve.
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The owner is happy to see the club get relegated just so that he can sell a player without the supporters being so upset. This being the same owner who made the most unpopular managerial appointment of all time less than two years ago, such is his reluctance to go against public opinion. I despair.
I wouldn't put anything past that man. Incompetent and irresponsible and out of his depth. I despair.
You also make up conspiracy theories that danlanza wouldn't believe.
I have t made it up, Dave. I got my information from elsewhere. You carry on "waiting for things to get better". I'm sure they will, eventually.
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Jesus fucking wept a defeat to the champions and all of a sudden were down, again. Honestly, its like some people suffer from football bi-polar!
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Spirals suggests we started high...poor use of language. I try, try and see what the manager is trying to do, try and see that there are some positives. You are sitting on the lawn eating worms. The defence is awful, but going forward id much better. Give someone time rather than just discarding it as all crap.
Someone spouting you conspiracy theories can be ignored pretty much due to early release from the asylum.
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The owner is happy to see the club get relegated just so that he can sell a player without the supporters being so upset. This being the same owner who made the most unpopular managerial appointment of all time less than two years ago, such is his reluctance to go against public opinion. I despair.
I wouldn't put anything past that man. Incompetent and irresponsible and out of his depth. I despair.
You also make up conspiracy theories that danlanza wouldn't believe.
I have t made it up, Dave. I got my information from elsewhere. You carry on "waiting for things to get better". I'm sure they will, eventually.
Of course you did. I'll carry on living on a planet where the sky's blue and Elvis is dead.
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but the king isn't dead. I just saw him down the fish shop
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The owner is happy to see the club get relegated just so that he can sell a player without the supporters being so upset. This being the same owner who made the most unpopular managerial appointment of all time less than two years ago, such is his reluctance to go against public opinion. I despair.
I wouldn't put anything past that man. Incompetent and irresponsible and out of his depth. I despair.
You also make up conspiracy theories that danlanza wouldn't believe.
That's impossible !
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Sunderland - Draw
Norwich - Win
Chelsea - Draw
Wigan - fuck knows
Would that see us going into the last game needing a win in all probability?
If those results come off, and I agree they probably will, then I would think a draw would be all that was needed at Wigan.
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Sunderland - Draw
Norwich - Win
Chelsea - Draw
Wigan - fuck knows
Would that see us going into the last game needing a win in all probability?
Doubt it, would require Wigan to win 3 of their next 4 and or 2 wins and two draws to be above us.
I'd take that tbh and can see the results panning out like that.
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Sunderland - Draw
Norwich - Win
Chelsea - Draw
Wigan - fuck knows
Would that see us going into the last game needing a win in all probability?
If those results come off, and I agree they probably will, then I would think a draw would be all that was needed at Wigan.
Although I'd expect us to be more likely to get something against Wigan up there than at our place, I find the idea of going into the last game of the season needing anything to stay up utterly, utterly terrifying.
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Sunderland - Draw
Norwich - Win
Chelsea - Draw
Wigan - fuck knows
Would that see us going into the last game needing a win in all probability?
If those results come off, and I agree they probably will, then I would think a draw would be all that was needed at Wigan.
Although I'd expect us to be more likely to get something against Wigan up there than at our place, I find the idea of going into the last game of the season needing anything to stay up utterly, utterly terrifying.
I would take a Sunderland win and a chelski lose . extra point and drags Sunderland right back in it . But I do think we will get something against chelski
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Sunderland - Draw
Norwich - Win
Chelsea - Draw
Wigan - fuck knows
Would that see us going into the last game needing a win in all probability?
If those results come off, and I agree they probably will, then I would think a draw would be all that was needed at Wigan.
Although I'd expect us to be more likely to get something against Wigan up there than at our place, I find the idea of going into the last game of the season needing anything to stay up utterly, utterly terrifying.
True but be honest you'd have taken still being in with a chance on the last day the night we lose to Newcastle and looked dead and buried for instance.
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Would needing a draw or a win be better for us in our final game? I.e. going they and trying to park the bus (which we can't do) or having to go at them for a goal?
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Jesus fucking wept a defeat to the champions and all of a sudden were down, again. Honestly, its like some people suffer from football bi-polar!
More or less sums up my views, FWIW. You can spend time in misery, convinced we're going to be relegated, you can be optimistic and believe we'll stay up, or ambivalent. If you're in the optimistic camp, and proved wrong, other than giving some people the opportunity to boast, you haven't wasted time being permanent doom and gloom merchants, and all the negativity that entails.
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Jesus fucking wept a defeat to the champions and all of a sudden were down, again. Honestly, its like some people suffer from football bi-polar!
More or less sums up my views, FWIW. You can spend time in misery, convinced we're going to be relegated, you can be optimistic and believe we'll stay up, or ambivalent. If you're in the optimistic camp, and proved wrong, other than giving some people the opportunity to boast, you haven't wasted time being permanent doom and gloom merchants, and all the negativity that entails.
What a good way of putting it.
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The owner is happy to see the club get relegated just so that he can sell a player without the supporters being so upset. This being the same owner who made the most unpopular managerial appointment of all time less than two years ago, such is his reluctance to go against public opinion. I despair.
I wouldn't put anything past that man. Incompetent and irresponsible and out of his depth. I despair.
You also make up conspiracy theories that danlanza wouldn't believe.
I have t made it up, Dave. I got my information from elsewhere. You carry on "waiting for things to get better". I'm sure they will, eventually.
Of course you did. I'll carry on living on a planet where the sky's blue and Elvis is dead.
I don't know what Randy has on El Dave, but whatever it is it must be pretty powerful mojo.
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I really don't see us staying up if we had to go there to win tbh, just don't think the players would be up for that mental task.
Couldn't see us playing for a 0-0 either given our last clean sheet was in the ice but we have shown since the new year we can score a goal or two on the break away from home and Wigan would have to commit men forward at some point.
I just want a task as easy as possible if it comes down to the last day. Shame the GD is screwed up again as it would've been ideal going up there 3 points ahead with the scenario Wigan would only stay up if the beat us by two goals or something.
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I reckon if we go to Wigan needing a draw, we'll beat them. If we go there needing a win, we'll lose. Just an instinct. Still, I'd rather play them there, where we have a decent record, than at Villa Park, where they tend to do us.
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We need Spurs to beat Wigan, Norwich to beat Stoke. Liverpool to beat Newcastle. Then we beat Sunderland leaves a six point gap & 4 teams on 37 points. Norwich would then be safe on 41 points before we play them. Beat Nowich, draw with Chelsea leaves us safe before we play Wigan.
Simple, no problem.
UTV
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Unfortunately we are going to lose against Chelsea at home. We've lost against every top six team at home this season apart from Arsenal.
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We need Spurs to beat Wigan, Norwich to beat Stoke. Liverpool to beat Newcastle. Then we beat Sunderland leaves a six point gap & 4 teams on 37 points. Norwich would then be safe on 41 points before we play them. Beat Nowich, draw with Chelsea leaves us safe before we play Wigan.
Simple, no problem.
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UTV
Unfortunately we are going to lose against Chelsea at home. We've lost against every top six team at home this season apart from Arsenal.
If they get to the Europa league final and also secure top 4 spot before we play them I think we will beat them. Final is 4 days after we play them
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Unfortunately we are going to lose against Chelsea at home. We've lost against every top six team at home this season apart from Arsenal.
So we might not lose this one either then.
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We need Spurs to beat Wigan, Norwich to beat Stoke. Liverpool to beat Newcastle. Then we beat Sunderland leaves a six point gap & 4 teams on 37 points. Norwich would then be safe on 41 points before we play them. Beat Nowich, draw with Chelsea leaves us safe before we play Wigan.
Simple, no problem.
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UTV
Unfortunately we are going to lose against Chelsea at home. We've lost against every top six team at home this season apart from Arsenal.
If they get to the Europa league final and also secure top 4 spot before we play them I think we will beat them. Final is 4 days after we play them
You're on.
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Unfortunately we are going to lose against Chelsea at home. We've lost against every top six team at home this season apart from Arsenal.
So we might not lose this one either then.
Using that logic we might win. Odds on though we'll roll over and die
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Spirals suggests we started high...poor use of language. I try, try and see what the manager is trying to do, try and see that there are some positives. You are sitting on the lawn eating worms. The defence is awful, but going forward id much better. Give someone time rather than just discarding it as all crap.
Someone spouting you conspiracy theories can be ignored pretty much due to early release from the asylum.
You ignore my so called conspiracy theories and i'll ignore your laughable over-confidence.
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Only 4 games left, perhaps it's time for a bit of bribery and corruption. Needs must
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Unfortunately we are going to lose against Chelsea at home. We've lost against every top six team at home this season apart from Arsenal.
So we might not lose this one either then.
Using that logic we might win. Odds on though we'll roll over and die
If it's odds on, i've got a quid of mine against £50 of yours that we don't lose.
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The owner is happy to see the club get relegated just so that he can sell a player without the supporters being so upset. This being the same owner who made the most unpopular managerial appointment of all time less than two years ago, such is his reluctance to go against public opinion. I despair.
I wouldn't put anything past that man. Incompetent and irresponsible and out of his depth. I despair.
You also make up conspiracy theories that danlanza wouldn't believe.
I have t made it up, Dave. I got my information from elsewhere. You carry on "waiting for things to get better". I'm sure they will, eventually.
Of course you did. I'll carry on living on a planet where the sky's blue and Elvis is dead.
Yes, the world where everything's fine and dandy down the Villa.
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Spirals suggests we started high...poor use of language. I try, try and see what the manager is trying to do, try and see that there are some positives. You are sitting on the lawn eating worms. The defence is awful, but going forward id much better. Give someone time rather than just discarding it as all crap.
Someone spouting you conspiracy theories can be ignored pretty much due to early release from the asylum.
You ignore my so called conspiracy theories and i'll ignore your laughable over-confidence.
Trying to see some positives is over-confidence?
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Yes, the world where everything's fine and dandy down the Villa.
Who has said that? Feel free to quote anyone who has said that over the past few months.
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People who say they've 'got information' normally have'nt.
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Yes, the world where everything's fine and dandy down the Villa.
Who has said that? Feel free to quote anyone who has said that over the past few months.
"Fine and dandy" you would struggle to find...however there is a "beer and sandwiches" element on this site that suppresses any criticism of RL. You know who you are, btw.
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Yes, the world where everything's fine and dandy down the Villa.
Who has said that? Feel free to quote anyone who has said that over the past few months.
"Fine and dandy" you would struggle to find...however there is a "beer and sandwiches" element on this site that suppresses any criticism of RL. You know who you are, btw.
As far as I can tell most fall into the same camp as me,give him stick for the shite and stupid, and praise for the good and sensible. They just don't spend every day saying the same things time and time and time and time again. And again. And once more for luck.
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Spirals suggests we started high...poor use of language. I try, try and see what the manager is trying to do, try and see that there are some positives. You are sitting on the lawn eating worms. The defence is awful, but going forward id much better. Give someone time rather than just discarding it as all crap.
Someone spouting you conspiracy theories can be ignored pretty much due to early release from the asylum.
You ignore my so called conspiracy theories and i'll ignore your laughable over-confidence.
Laughable over confidence. I think we could well go on goal difference. I have not however, got the bunting out to celebrate relegation and begun to revel in the misery like you have.
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Spirals suggests we started high...poor use of language. I try, try and see what the manager is trying to do, try and see that there are some positives. You are sitting on the lawn eating worms. The defence is awful, but going forward id much better. Give someone time rather than just discarding it as all crap.
Someone spouting you conspiracy theories can be ignored pretty much due to early release from the asylum.
You ignore my so called conspiracy theories and i'll ignore your laughable over-confidence.
Laughable over confidence. I think we could well go on goal difference. I have not however, got the bunting out to celebrate relegation and begun to revel in the misery like you have.
Celebrate relegation? Get a grip. I'm as much a Villa fan as anyone on here, and I'll be fuckin mortified if we went down. At least I'm realistic though. I was saying we were in for a relegation scrap as far back as last July when many other on here were in the midst of celebrating yet another marvelous "young and hungry" signing from the lower leagues.
Give it a rest with the 'celebration' crap.
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Spirals suggests we started high...poor use of language. I try, try and see what the manager is trying to do, try and see that there are some positives. You are sitting on the lawn eating worms. The defence is awful, but going forward id much better. Give someone time rather than just discarding it as all crap.
Someone spouting you conspiracy theories can be ignored pretty much due to early release from the asylum.
You ignore my so called conspiracy theories and i'll ignore your laughable over-confidence.
Laughable over confidence. I think we could well go on goal difference. I have not however, got the bunting out to celebrate relegation and begun to revel in the misery like you have.
Celebrate relegation? Get a grip. I'm as much a Villa fan as anyone on here, and I'll be fuckin mortified if we went down. At least I'm realistic though. I was saying we were in for a relegation scrap as far back as last July when many other on here were in the midst of celebrating yet another marvelous "young and hungry" signing from the lower leagues.
Give it a rest with the 'celebration' crap.
FairPlay. Just because you disagree with the clique on this site it doesn't mean you should be accused of being "anti Villa." Isn't there something about that in the site rules..?
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Spirals suggests we started high...poor use of language. I try, try and see what the manager is trying to do, try and see that there are some positives. You are sitting on the lawn eating worms. The defence is awful, but going forward id much better. Give someone time rather than just discarding it as all crap.
Someone spouting you conspiracy theories can be ignored pretty much due to early release from the asylum.
You ignore my so called conspiracy theories and i'll ignore your laughable over-confidence.
Laughable over confidence. I think we could well go on goal difference. I have not however, got the bunting out to celebrate relegation and begun to revel in the misery like you have.
Celebrate relegation? Get a grip. I'm as much a Villa fan as anyone on here, and I'll be fuckin mortified if we went down. At least I'm realistic though. I was saying we were in for a relegation scrap as far back as last July when many other on here were in the midst of celebrating yet another marvelous "young and hungry" signing from the lower leagues.
Give it a rest with the 'celebration' crap.
FairPlay. Just because you disagree with the clique on this site it doesn't mean you should be accused of being "anti Villa." Isn't there something about that in the site rules..?
No. We just ban anyone who disagrees with us.
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No we don't.
*Bans Dave for disagreeing*
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Spirals suggests we started high...poor use of language. I try, try and see what the manager is trying to do, try and see that there are some positives. You are sitting on the lawn eating worms. The defence is awful, but going forward id much better. Give someone time rather than just discarding it as all crap.
Someone spouting you conspiracy theories can be ignored pretty much due to early release from the asylum.
You ignore my so called conspiracy theories and i'll ignore your laughable over-confidence.
Laughable over confidence. I think we could well go on goal difference. I have not however, got the bunting out to celebrate relegation and begun to revel in the misery like you have.
Celebrate relegation? Get a grip. I'm as much a Villa fan as anyone on here, and I'll be fuckin mortified if we went down. At least I'm realistic though. I was saying we were in for a relegation scrap as far back as last July when many other on here were in the midst of celebrating yet another marvelous "young and hungry" signing from the lower leagues.
Give it a rest with the 'celebration' crap.
FairPlay. Just because you disagree with the clique on this site it doesn't mean you should be accused of being "anti Villa." Isn't there something about that in the site rules..?
Where have I accused anyone of being anti Villa
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So in our final game would we prefer to:
A)play for the draw (are above them), or;
B)have to take the game to Wigan (I.e. goal difference or less point before play)?
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Spirals suggests we started high...poor use of language. I try, try and see what the manager is trying to do, try and see that there are some positives. You are sitting on the lawn eating worms. The defence is awful, but going forward id much better. Give someone time rather than just discarding it as all crap.
Someone spouting you conspiracy theories can be ignored pretty much due to early release from the asylum.
You ignore my so called conspiracy theories and i'll ignore your laughable over-confidence.
Laughable over confidence. I think we could well go on goal difference. I have not however, got the bunting out to celebrate relegation and begun to revel in the misery like you have.
Celebrate relegation? Get a grip. I'm as much a Villa fan as anyone on here, and I'll be fuckin mortified if we went down. At least I'm realistic though. I was saying we were in for a relegation scrap as far back as last July when many other on here were in the midst of celebrating yet another marvelous "young and hungry" signing from the lower leagues.
Give it a rest with the 'celebration' crap.
Try and see a positive from time to time then. I have not said you are anti Villa, you just seem to revel in misery that you attempt to bring to almost every thread you post on, and indeed are now boasting you were predicting the doom last year and are revelling in being right, or you would not be boasting about being so!
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Would needing a draw or a win be better for us in our final game? I.e. going they and trying to park the bus (which we can't do) or having to go at them for a goal?
Next question.
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Spirals suggests we started high...poor use of language. I try, try and see what the manager is trying to do, try and see that there are some positives. You are sitting on the lawn eating worms. The defence is awful, but going forward id much better. Give someone time rather than just discarding it as all crap.
Someone spouting you conspiracy theories can be ignored pretty much due to early release from the asylum.
You ignore my so called conspiracy theories and i'll ignore your laughable over-confidence.
Laughable over confidence. I think we could well go on goal difference. I have not however, got the bunting out to celebrate relegation and begun to revel in the misery like you have.
Celebrate relegation? Get a grip. I'm as much a Villa fan as anyone on here, and I'll be fuckin mortified if we went down. At least I'm realistic though. I was saying we were in for a relegation scrap as far back as last July when many other on here were in the midst of celebrating yet another marvelous "young and hungry" signing from the lower leagues.
Give it a rest with the 'celebration' crap.
FairPlay. Just because you disagree with the clique on this site it doesn't mean you should be accused of being "anti Villa." Isn't there something about that in the site rules..?
Where have I accused anyone of being anti Villa
Someone who would get bunting out to celebrate relegation could certainly be accused of being anti Villa, don't you think?
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Someone who would get bunting out to celebrate relegation could certainly be accused of being anti Villa, don't you think?
Not necessarily, there are some on here who I am convinced do a fist pump when we lose because it means they can come on here afterwards to gloat about how they were right all along.
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Spirals suggests we started high...poor use of language. I try, try and see what the manager is trying to do, try and see that there are some positives. You are sitting on the lawn eating worms. The defence is awful, but going forward id much better. Give someone time rather than just discarding it as all crap.
Someone spouting you conspiracy theories can be ignored pretty much due to early release from the asylum.
You ignore my so called conspiracy theories and i'll ignore your laughable over-confidence.
Laughable over confidence. I think we could well go on goal difference. I have not however, got the bunting out to celebrate relegation and begun to revel in the misery like you have.
Celebrate relegation? Get a grip. I'm as much a Villa fan as anyone on here, and I'll be fuckin mortified if we went down. At least I'm realistic though. I was saying we were in for a relegation scrap as far back as last July when many other on here were in the midst of celebrating yet another marvelous "young and hungry" signing from the lower leagues.
Give it a rest with the 'celebration' crap.
FairPlay. Just because you disagree with the clique on this site it doesn't mean you should be accused of being "anti Villa." Isn't there something about that in the site rules..?
Where have I accused anyone of being anti Villa
Someone who would get bunting out to celebrate relegation could certainly be accused of being anti Villa, don't you think?
Not in this context. The chance, he has done a few times in the last 24 hours, to say I saw the doom coming, and have subsequently bleated about the doom for months, and now I am justified in my clever doom predicting ways, is so much of a joy that it appears outwardly as if he enjoys the misery and being able to tell us all how shit we are, day in, day out.
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Spirals suggests we started high...poor use of language. I try, try and see what the manager is trying to do, try and see that there are some positives. You are sitting on the lawn eating worms. The defence is awful, but going forward id much better. Give someone time rather than just discarding it as all crap.
Someone spouting you conspiracy theories can be ignored pretty much due to early release from the asylum.
You ignore my so called conspiracy theories and i'll ignore your laughable over-confidence.
Laughable over confidence. I think we could well go on goal difference. I have not however, got the bunting out to celebrate relegation and begun to revel in the misery like you have.
Celebrate relegation? Get a grip. I'm as much a Villa fan as anyone on here, and I'll be fuckin mortified if we went down. At least I'm realistic though. I was saying we were in for a relegation scrap as far back as last July when many other on here were in the midst of celebrating yet another marvelous "young and hungry" signing from the lower leagues.
Give it a rest with the 'celebration' crap.
FairPlay. Just because you disagree with the clique on this site it doesn't mean you should be accused of being "anti Villa." Isn't there something about that in the site rules..?
Where have I accused anyone of being anti Villa
Someone who would get bunting out to celebrate relegation could certainly be accused of being anti Villa, don't you think?
Not in this context. The chance, he has done a few times in the last 24 hours, to say I saw the doom coming, and have subsequently bleated about the doom for months, and now I am justified in my clever doom predicting ways, is so much of a joy that it appears outwardly as if he enjoys the misery and being able to tell us all how shit we are, day in, day out.
Again, you're suggesting I get some kind of perverse pleasure in a Villa defeat. Please don't insult me, I'm a Villa fan of 40+ years and live and breath the club. I fucking hate it when Villa lose, and I hate with a passion what is happening to our club at the moment. You don't know me from Adam, so less of crap about my so called feelings of 'joy' when Villa lose. I'm sure that kind of nonsense is against site rules, so less of that please.
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Someone who would get bunting out to celebrate relegation could certainly be accused of being anti Villa, don't you think?
Not necessarily, there are some on here who I am convinced do a fist pump when we lose because it means they can come on here afterwards to gloat about how they were right all along.
Well you must have a very vivid imagination.
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As we will be safe before a ball is kicked against Chelsea, we may well go into the finall game where a win would stick an extra million or so in the bank or a loss would keep Wigan up and maybe, just maybe, relegate Stoke.
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perhaps this thread should be merged as well!
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The more I look at the remaining fixtures of all the possible relegation candidates, the more I fear we will need to get a result at Wigan to be safe.
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Someone who would get bunting out to celebrate relegation could certainly be accused of being anti Villa, don't you think?
Not necessarily, there are some on here who I am convinced do a fist pump when we lose because it means they can come on here afterwards to gloat about how they were right all along.
Well you must have a very vivid imagination.
I guarantee if we go down you will be on here in a mili second telling all us happy clappers how deluded we all were and how you told us all along
which is fine, because you would have been proved right,
problem I have, is you will enjoy doing it
if we stay up i'l probably do the same, and definitely enjoy doing it
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I don't think anyone takes joy in us losing. However, I do think some take joy in slagging everything off when we do.
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I will be doing my best impression of a smug bastard after we are safe, likely following Wigan's failure to beat Swansea and will enjoy telling the doom mongers that they have been talking bollocks yet again.
Then I will moan like mad about the first half of the season being rubbish and bluster about how this is beneath us.
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Someone who would get bunting out to celebrate relegation could certainly be accused of being anti Villa, don't you think?
Not necessarily, there are some on here who I am convinced do a fist pump when we lose because it means they can come on here afterwards to gloat about how they were right all along.
Well you must have a very vivid imagination.
I guarantee if we go down you will be on here in a mili second telling all us happy clappers how deluded we all were and how you told us all along
which is fine, because you would have been proved right,
problem I have, is you will enjoy doing it
if we stay up i'l probably do the same, and definitely enjoy doing it
I can guarantee you're absolutely clueless when it comes to football.
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Put your tampons away ladies.
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I think Wigan will go, because they're not a good side and sooner or later they won't be able to put together a miraculous run to save themselves.
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I think Wigan will go, because they're not a good side and sooner or later they won't be able to put together a miraculous run to save themselves.
This weekend is huge. Tottenham beat Wigan, us to beat Sunderland and they'd be a 6 point gap. Couldn't see Wigan coming back from that. It really is the biggest weekend of football for Villa in years.
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Someone who would get bunting out to celebrate relegation could certainly be accused of being anti Villa, don't you think?
Not necessarily, there are some on here who I am convinced do a fist pump when we lose because it means they can come on here afterwards to gloat about how they were right all along.
Well you must have a very vivid imagination.
I guarantee if we go down you will be on here in a mili second telling all us happy clappers how deluded we all were and how you told us all along
which is fine, because you would have been proved right,
problem I have, is you will enjoy doing it
if we stay up i'l probably do the same, and definitely enjoy doing it
I can guarantee you're absolutely clueless when it comes to football.
maybe, but at least I enjoy the game and don't see it as a series of statistics
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Someone who would get bunting out to celebrate relegation could certainly be accused of being anti Villa, don't you think?
Not necessarily, there are some on here who I am convinced do a fist pump when we lose because it means they can come on here afterwards to gloat about how they were right all along.
Well you must have a very vivid imagination.
I guarantee if we go down you will be on here in a mili second telling all us happy clappers how deluded we all were and how you told us all along
which is fine, because you would have been proved right,
problem I have, is you will enjoy doing it
if we stay up i'l probably do the same, and definitely enjoy doing it
I can guarantee you're absolutely clueless when it comes to football.
maybe, but at least I enjoy the game and don't see it as a series of statistics
Yes, like a nodding dog.
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As we will be safe before a ball is kicked against Chelsea, we may well go into the finall game where a win would stick an extra million or so in the bank or a loss would keep Wigan up and maybe, just maybe, relegate Stoke.
Your confidence is bordering on sexual. Now I get why women love it (confidence that is, not necessarily yours. But they must if you take this Jagger Swagger into real life). Ahem..as you were...
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As we will be safe before a ball is kicked against Chelsea, we may well go into the finall game where a win would stick an extra million or so in the bank or a loss would keep Wigan up and maybe, just maybe, relegate Stoke.
Your confidence is bordering on sexual. Now I get why women love it (confidence that is, not necessarily yours. But they must if you take this Jagger Swagger into real life). Ahem..as you were...
I am cursed with good looks as well. Heavy burdens to bear.
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Someone who would get bunting out to celebrate relegation could certainly be accused of being anti Villa, don't you think?
Not necessarily, there are some on here who I am convinced do a fist pump when we lose because it means they can come on here afterwards to gloat about how they were right all along.
Well you must have a very vivid imagination.
I guarantee if we go down you will be on here in a mili second telling all us happy clappers how deluded we all were and how you told us all along
which is fine, because you would have been proved right,
problem I have, is you will enjoy doing it
if we stay up i'l probably do the same, and definitely enjoy doing it
I can guarantee you're absolutely clueless when it comes to football.
Knows more than you then
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Someone who would get bunting out to celebrate relegation could certainly be accused of being anti Villa, don't you think?
Not necessarily, there are some on here who I am convinced do a fist pump when we lose because it means they can come on here afterwards to gloat about how they were right all along.
Well you must have a very vivid imagination.
I guarantee if we go down you will be on here in a mili second telling all us happy clappers how deluded we all were and how you told us all along
which is fine, because you would have been proved right,
problem I have, is you will enjoy doing it
if we stay up i'l probably do the same, and definitely enjoy doing it
I can guarantee you're absolutely clueless when it comes to football.
Knows more than you then
Another nodding dog appears.
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Come now saunders, lets save any recriminations for the end of the season - right now all that matters is we get behind the team for the last 4 games.
The post mortems can wait,lets be positive for these 4 games and unite together.
When the season ends I'm sure we will all dissect the good and the bad.
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Is everyone on the blob?
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Someone who would get bunting out to celebrate relegation could certainly be accused of being anti Villa, don't you think?
Not necessarily, there are some on here who I am convinced do a fist pump when we lose because it means they can come on here afterwards to gloat about how they were right all along.
Well you must have a very vivid imagination.
I guarantee if we go down you will be on here in a mili second telling all us happy clappers how deluded we all were and how you told us all along
which is fine, because you would have been proved right,
problem I have, is you will enjoy doing it
if we stay up i'l probably do the same, and definitely enjoy doing it
I can guarantee you're absolutely clueless when it comes to football.
Knows more than you then
Another nodding dog appears.
Please tell me how I am a nodding dog in your, oh so expert opinion?
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You need a reality check ozzjim. Saunders Heroes is a realist. He gets it. You nodding dog.
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Maybe we should retire Mrs Overall's muppets and replace them with nodding dogs.
(http://www.sevenoaksart.co.uk/images/noddingdog.gif)
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I've just plotted an escape from relegation. We win all our remaining fixtures. Sorted.
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I've just plotted an escape from relegation. We win all our remaining fixtures. Sorted.
Where do nodding dogs fit into this scheme?
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I've just plotted an escape from relegation. We win all our remaining fixtures. Sorted.
Where do nodding dogs fit into this scheme?
Waiting to smell the coffee and have the blinkers removed.
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Are they happy about clapping?
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I will be doing my best impression of a smug bastard after we are safe, likely following Wigan's failure to beat Swansea and will enjoy telling the doom mongers that they have been talking bollocks yet again.
Then I will moan like mad about the first half of the season being rubbish and bluster about how this is beneath us.
I'll just remember Bradford tbh (shudders).
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I will be doing my best impression of a smug bastard after we are safe, likely following Wigan's failure to beat Swansea and will enjoy telling the doom mongers that they have been talking bollocks yet again.
Then I will moan like mad about the first half of the season being rubbish and bluster about how this is beneath us.
I'll just remember Bradford tbh (shudders).
Stay up or go down, I think in a couple of years time I will remember that this season was just three minutes against Stoke and nothing more.
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Fear not comrades, the best is yet to come.
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Is it like one of those Churchill Bulldog nodding dogs? I like those
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I've just plotted an escape from relegation. We win all our remaining fixtures. Sorted.
Where do nodding dogs fit into this scheme?
Waiting to smell the coffee and have the blinkers removed.
They'll only manage that if they get a grip first.
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We're fucked. It's us or Wigan and we play them away on the last day and they always get out of it. Despite the generally better form since Feb, it will prove to be too little too late.
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I've just plotted an escape from relegation. We win all our remaining fixtures. Sorted.
Where do nodding dogs fit into this scheme?
Waiting to smell the coffee and have the blinkers removed.
They'll only manage that if they get a grip first.
And somebody has to wake them up first.
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We're fucked. It's us or Wigan and we play them away on the last day and they always get out of it.
Just like Coventry and Southampton used to 'always get out of it'.
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We're fucked. It's us or Wigan and we play them away on the last day and they always get out of it. Despite the generally better form since Feb, it will prove to be too little too late.
Actually, if we keep up the recent form from Everton away onwrads, then I think that'll be more than enough to keep us up.
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We're fucked. It's us or Wigan and we play them away on the last day and they always get out of it. Despite the generally better form since Feb, it will prove to be too little too late.
It's us or Wigan, really? OK, best tell Stoke, Newcastle and S-land that then, they have been ever so worried.
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We're fucked. It's us or Wigan and we play them away on the last day and they always get out of it. Despite the generally better form since Feb, it will prove to be too little too late.
It's us or Wigan, really? OK, best tell Stoke, Newcastle and S-land that then, they have been ever so worried.
It is I'm afraid .We are the only ones Wigan can realistically overturn unless one of the other teams mentioned go on a disastrous run of form.Unfortunately the ones you mention have just got about enough to pull themselves over the line along with Norwich,whereas we have shot ourselves in the foot time after time and never managed to pull away.It's going to the wire and I'm dreading it
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We're fucked. It's us or Wigan and we play them away on the last day and they always get out of it. Despite the generally better form since Feb, it will prove to be too little too late.
Actually, if we keep up the recent form from Everton away onwrads, then I think that'll be more than enough to keep us up.
I would agree if we had about 10 matches left. I just feel that we left it too late to achieve a decent run of form. Down on GD for me.
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We're fucked. It's us or Wigan and we play them away on the last day and they always get out of it. Despite the generally better form since Feb, it will prove to be too little too late.
Actually, if we keep up the recent form from Everton away onwrads, then I think that'll be more than enough to keep us up.
While if Wigan keep up theres, i.e., less than a point per game, then we will be safe some time in between Norwich and Chelsea.
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We're fucked. It's us or Wigan and we play them away on the last day and they always get out of it. Despite the generally better form since Feb, it will prove to be too little too late.
Actually, if we keep up the recent form from Everton away onwrads, then I think that'll be more than enough to keep us up.
I would agree if we had about 10 matches left. I just feel that we left it too late to achieve a decent run of form. Down on GD for me.
Ah? You do realise we're ahead of Wigan don't you? So by your logic (i.e. the logic that you have been coming out with incorrectly for three seasons now) Wigan are already down and we're safe.
VillaAlways; by 10:00pm next Monday there could well be four teams on 37 points all six clear of Wigan. Sunderland, Stoke and Newcastle are not out of it by any means.
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how about I attend all Wigan's fixtures and wail like a banshee at crucial moments?
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how about I attend all Wigan's fixtures and wail like a banshee at crucial moments?
Every time the get a corner, run down and whip out the old boy and start wind-milling it as the Wigan player comes to place the ball in the quadrant.
This can be done in conjunction with the wailing.
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If we can somehow scrape home against Sunderland, there could be 4 teams all fighting on the same points. We then need to better 1 of their points tallies in the Norwich, Chelsea and Wigan games. Next Monday is massive. Stoke and Sunderland still to play each other too. Hope Norwich can beat Stoke and be safe by the time we play them too.
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If we can somehow scrape home against Sunderland, there could be 4 teams all fighting on the same points. We then need to better 1 of their points tallies in the Norwich, Chelsea and Wigan games. Next Monday is massive. Stoke and Sunderland still to play each other too. Hope Norwich can beat Stoke and be safe by the time we play them too.
All these variables would do your head in.
A few seasons of mid-table mediocrity would be a dream.
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If we can somehow scrape home against Sunderland, there could be 4 teams all fighting on the same points. We then need to better 1 of their points tallies in the Norwich, Chelsea and Wigan games. Next Monday is massive. Stoke and Sunderland still to play each other too. Hope Norwich can beat Stoke and be safe by the time we play them too.
I'd rather Norwich were a bag of nerves when we play them.
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We are the only ones Wigan can realistically overturn unless one of the other teams mentioned go on a disastrous run of form.
Not checked in the last ten minutes, but I could've sworn they already are.
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We are the only ones Wigan can realistically overturn unless one of the other teams mentioned go on a disastrous run of form.
Not checked in the last ten minutes, but I could've sworn they already are.
They've done enough to scrape through over the season,that's why the bookies have them at 20-1 to go down, with us and Wigan the only ones in the frame.I'm not being negative it's just true.They're not mathematically safe but they are as good as and hopefully if we win and Wigan lose by a good margin so will we be,but I just get the feeling the way the season has gone and our ability to shoot ourselves in the foot it won't be that simple
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If we win on Monday, which I think is very likely, then we're level on points with Sunderland, who may in turn be level with Stoke if Norwich score twice at the weekend, who in all likelihood will be level with Newcastle after Liverpool beat them.
If Wigan lose, then I would agree, those teams are unlikely to go down and just as unlikely as the Villa.
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Gotta win so I'm going for a nervy 3-2 victory. Gabby and Benteke x2. Baker og.
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Basically if Wigan lose and we win, this nightmare will be practically over.Wigan will be odds on to go down
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Basically if Wigan lose and we win, this nightmare will be practically over.Wigan will be odds on to go down
They already are.
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Basically if Wigan lose and we win, this nightmare will be practically over.Wigan will be odds on to go down
They already are.
With us nowhere near them come Monday,hopefully and the only ones in the frame
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Basically if Wigan lose and we win, this nightmare will be practically over.Wigan will be odds on to go down
They already are.
Yes, and we are as high as 9/4 against (Bet Victor).
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The bookies odds will change game by game. If, as I expect and hope, we beat Sunderland we'll go out and they'll come in. Wigan need to do a lot, and have a lot go in their favour, to stop being favourites, which illustrates why they're very likely to go down, thereby saving us. I think we're 2nd favourites based on being closest to Wigan in the table more than the bookies actually expecting them to get out of it.
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Going to need to take a look at that BBC predictor again
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As it stands we're in the bottom 3 if Wigan beat Swansea so far too early to be writing the Wigan obituary imo.
Let's see the state of play after they play WBA and Swansea.
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Each game's a cup final. Just gotta keep hoping and praying.
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I dont think Norwich are totally out of it, Stoke will have less pressure now and if we can beat them, there last 2 games are Swansea home and Man City away
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Yeah of the group above us, Norwich are the most likely ones to drop back in I reckon. Think Stoke will beat them and hopefully we will aswell.
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Yeah of the group above us, Norwich are the most likely ones to drop back in I reckon. Think Stoke will beat them and hopefully we will aswell.
Now wouldn't I lie to see them relegated..?
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Basically if Wigan lose and we win, this nightmare will be practically over.Wigan will be odds on to go down
You just know it won't be that simple.
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Basically if Wigan lose and we win, this nightmare will be practically over.Wigan will be odds on to go down
You just know it won't be that simple.
It would go a long way to saving us, but we wouldn't be safe with 37.
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Basically if Wigan lose and we win, this nightmare will be practically over.Wigan will be odds on to go down
You just know it won't be that simple.
It would go a long way to saving us, but we wouldn't be safe with 37.
I think we need Wigan to lose at least 2 of their next 3, with us winning both our next two.
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They will go an beat Spurs you watch. I might put some money on it.
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They will go an beat Spurs you watch. I might put some money on it.
This is my worry.They've beaten them once already
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Wigan lose tomorrow, we win on Monday and then draw v Chelsea or Norwich and it's happy days.
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Surely Spurs have enough momentum from their comeback against City to at least not lose?!
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Surely Spurs have enough momentum from their comeback against City to at least not lose?!
Momentum only counts for teams we want to lose.
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Best mate at work is a spud and think I want them to win tomorrow more than he does. While he obviously wants them in champions league next season, he is almost as excited for Villa to be relegated as I constantly drone on about League win in 80/81 and european cup the following season
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He's obviously an idiot.
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To be fair when Spuds were struggling a few seasons back, I was giving him the grief I am having to take now
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We just simply have to win on Monday. A Wigan defeat would be very welcome bit it would mean we're still out of the bottom 3 and we will have closed up on one or teams. Please Villa. PLEASE.
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Easy Tiger....you have been hanging on every word today.....remember...you can't participate on a rival fanzine without expecting some form of scrutiny.....granted it appears you have had a tot....but O'Neils side will get beat on monday. Alreet?
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Sunderland are a cuddly enough bunch but they don't half keep appointing evil bastards to manage them.
It's like taking the Care Bears and telling them their new leader is Ming the Merciless, taking over from the recently-sacked Davros, mad creator of the Daleks.
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Easy Tiger....you have been hanging on every word today.....remember...you can't participate on a rival fanzine without expecting some form of scrutiny.....granted it appears you have had a tot....but O'Neils side will get beat on monday. Alreet?
;D Time will tell marra, time will tell. We'll see you in the Arena! ;)
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I have to say, having read a lot more into the background and what has gone before, I would be gutted to have a man like DiCanio managing us. Very much selling a soul to the devil for results.
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Well, well, well. Four points ahead of my original forecast at this stage of the season. Surely even we can't screw this one up,can we?!
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Easy Tiger....you have been hanging on every word today.....remember...you can't participate on a rival fanzine without expecting some form of scrutiny.....granted it appears you have had a tot....but O'Neils side will get beat on monday. Alreet?
;D Time will tell marra, time will tell. We'll see you in the Arena! ;)
Did you enjoy the arena Davey?
I said after the Newcastle game you were lucky and got carved open by them but got through with the ref and 3 screamers. Everton for some reason thought attacking was not to be done against you, but you must be worried about DiCanio over a full season? He just seems to say bizarre things that if results are not falling, will alienate players very quickly.
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Well, well, well. Four points ahead of my original forecast at this stage of the season. Surely even we can't screw this one up,can we?!
I think we both know the answer to this one.
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Right, lads. I've got a plan.... Sign a huge Belgian... Genius.
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The ironic thing is when we played Sunderland up there they didn't have a single shot on target, they had a few tonight.
Potting MON when they did saved them with the two wins.
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Right, lads. I've got a plan.... Sign a huge Belgian... Genius.
It's a shame Poirot can't jump as high...
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Easy Tiger....you have been hanging on every word today.....remember...you can't participate on a rival fanzine without expecting some form of scrutiny.....granted it appears you have had a tot....but O'Neils side will get beat on monday. Alreet?
;D Time will tell marra, time will tell. We'll see you in the Arena! ;)
Did you enjoy the arena Davey?
I said after the Newcastle game you were lucky and got carved open by them but got through with the ref and 3 screamers. Everton for some reason thought attacking was not to be done against you, but you must be worried about DiCanio over a full season? He just seems to say bizarre things that if results are not falling, will alienate players very quickly.
;D I was at work Ozzjim, I've not long got home! I had updates during the game from my Villa supporting step son, plus a couple of the lads in the syrup room were watching it live on their mobiles. I've had quite a bit grief off the boy already! ;) Well done on a comprehensive victory, that is unarguably a kicking for us. I didn't see that coming at all. Backs up what i was saying regarding sufficient team strengthening while MON was here though, as with no offence intended, you aren't in a relegation battle for playing like Barcelona, and we've buckled to other relegation rivals already this season too. I don't feel that we have been afforded the credit deserved for the Newcastle and Everton wins to be honest, and the same for the performance at Chelsea. I thought we deserved both victory's and that we were a tad unlucky not to get a point at Stamford Bridge. Last night though, listening to the lads that watched it, (both are level headed), we got everything we deserved from the game.
I was wary about Di Canio as soon as i heard we had appointed him. I've said the same on our site. As uplifting as the two wins he has had were, i am a little wary of the longer term and player v manager fall outs. I just don't know what to expect during the transfer window.
Positives from last night -
The Mags are well and truly in the shit now.
We'll now see how we respond to a drubbing under the new regime.
Negatives for us last night -
Confidence blow.
We are still well and truly in the shit.
And the biggest one of all, Sessegnon out for the remaining games leaving us as toothless as we have ever been.
Still feel it's Wigan to go!
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Ideal scenario for me:
We're safe before the Wigan game, Wigan need a point from us to stay up and send Newcastle down. We give them a point.
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Dignified response as ever davey b - you are a credit to the team you support and i wish you well ( although not at our expense) ;)
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Easy Tiger....you have been hanging on every word today.....remember...you can't participate on a rival fanzine without expecting some form of scrutiny.....granted it appears you have had a tot....but O'Neils side will get beat on monday. Alreet?
;D Time will tell marra, time will tell. We'll see you in the Arena! ;)
Did you enjoy the arena Davey?
I said after the Newcastle game you were lucky and got carved open by them but got through with the ref and 3 screamers. Everton for some reason thought attacking was not to be done against you, but you must be worried about DiCanio over a full season? He just seems to say bizarre things that if results are not falling, will alienate players very quickly.
We are still well and truly in the shit.
And the biggest one of all, Sessegnon out for the remaining games leaving us as toothless as we have ever been.
Yep Davey, losing Sessegnon is a massive blow. He seemed to be getting his form back as well.
Personally i think your defence is the worry. When we went 2-1 in front last night, i said to the others that i could see us getting another couple but i was'nt expecting 6. I also thought that we'd concede again at some point but for once that did'nt happen.
I think Di Canio will keep you up. Where you'll go from there with him is anyone's guess.
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We're down where we are because of shite defending, but always looked at least half decent going forward. Sunderland last night reminded me of us at our worst this season - start decent, but heads drop when you go a goal down (OK, 3-1 down in this instance) and then the floodgates open. I think they'll just be OK, as will we, but both teams need to improve to not be in it agin next season. I don't micro analyse other sides, but for us the key to that is to stop shifting daft goals.
Lescott, please.
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I hope you stay up Davey at Wigan or Newcastle's expense obviously. Stoke would have been just as nice for the horrible football they play. You are a credit to your club and always great to have you on here. I fear for you next season though. As you say, you are sitting on a timebomb with Di Canio and it is only a matter of time before it kicks off, particularly if you show signs of struggling again.
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Ideal scenario for me:
We're safe before the Wigan game, Wigan need a point from us to stay up and send Newcastle down. We give them a point.
Sending The Geordie Nation down again would be fun, but we've been there, done that. Going up there and making Dave Whelan weep on national television would be far better, for me.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, but the thought of having the fate of both of those clubs in our hands is something I wouldn't even have considered at half four on Saturday when Wigan were 2-1 up.
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Ideal scenario for me:
We're safe before the Wigan game, Wigan need a point from us to stay up and send Newcastle down. We give them a point.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves, but the thought of having the fate of both of those clubs in our hands is something I wouldn't even have considered at half four on Saturday when Wigan we 2-1 up.
This. I hope Lambert let's them enjoy the win for the next couple of days but towards the end of the week reminds them that the job's not done yet.
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Let's worry about getting safe first, before who we send down.
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Davey, we have been there a few times ourselves this season. Of Villa, Sunderland and Newcastle, it's Newcastle who are now most in danger.
That win last night felt like a 3.5 points in the bag for us.
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Let's worry about getting safe first, before who we send down.
That's exactly what i Let's worry about getting safe first, before who we send down.
No, let us indulge ourselves with a little light-hearted fantasy after a fantastic evening.
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Dignified response as ever davey b - you are a credit to the team you support and i wish you well ( although not at our expense) ;)
Cheers Eastie! :)
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Easy Tiger....you have been hanging on every word today.....remember...you can't participate on a rival fanzine without expecting some form of scrutiny.....granted it appears you have had a tot....but O'Neils side will get beat on monday. Alreet?
;D Time will tell marra, time will tell. We'll see you in the Arena! ;)
Did you enjoy the arena Davey?
I said after the Newcastle game you were lucky and got carved open by them but got through with the ref and 3 screamers. Everton for some reason thought attacking was not to be done against you, but you must be worried about DiCanio over a full season? He just seems to say bizarre things that if results are not falling, will alienate players very quickly.
We are still well and truly in the shit.
And the biggest one of all, Sessegnon out for the remaining games leaving us as toothless as we have ever been.
Yep Davey, losing Sessegnon is a massive blow. He seemed to be getting his form back as well.
Personally i think your defence is the worry. When we went 2-1 in front last night, i said to the others that i could see us getting another couple but i was'nt expecting 6. I also thought that we'd concede again at some point but for once that did'nt happen.
I think Di Canio will keep you up. Where you'll go from there with him is anyone's guess.
To be fair, we've shipped a few soft goals but the defense, as aging as it is, hasn't been overly bad up until last night. My main worry is a lack of quality and pace throughout the side.
Your last sentence is exactly how i feel.
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Easy Tiger....you have been hanging on every word today.....remember...you can't participate on a rival fanzine without expecting some form of scrutiny.....granted it appears you have had a tot....but O'Neils side will get beat on monday. Alreet?
;D Time will tell marra, time will tell. We'll see you in the Arena! ;)
Did you enjoy the arena Davey?
I said after the Newcastle game you were lucky and got carved open by them but got through with the ref and 3 screamers. Everton for some reason thought attacking was not to be done against you, but you must be worried about DiCanio over a full season? He just seems to say bizarre things that if results are not falling, will alienate players very quickly.
We are still well and truly in the shit.
And the biggest one of all, Sessegnon out for the remaining games leaving us as toothless as we have ever been.
Yep Davey, losing Sessegnon is a massive blow. He seemed to be getting his form back as well.
Personally i think your defence is the worry. When we went 2-1 in front last night, i said to the others that i could see us getting another couple but i was'nt expecting 6. I also thought that we'd concede again at some point but for once that did'nt happen.
I think Di Canio will keep you up. Where you'll go from there with him is anyone's guess.
The Sudetenland.
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Here's my plan to escape relegation - play the next 3 games like we did last night.
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Didnt think I was being disrespectful of Sunderland as a club, far from it actually, but I stick by the comments that the team is shite and even our shite aint as bad :)
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Didnt think I was being disrespectful of Sunderland as a club, far from it actually, but I stick by the comments that the team is shite and even our shite aint as bad :)
Emphatic Victory last night apart, league table still shows otherwise. Though i concede with losing Sess i can't see this staying this way for much longer. :)
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Ideal scenario for me:
We're safe before the Wigan game, Wigan need a point from us to stay up and send Newcastle down. We give them a point.
A mouthwatering prospect Chico, just a shame it isn't Stoke.
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Ideal scenario for me:
We're safe before the Wigan game, Wigan need a point from us to stay up and send Newcastle down. We give them a point.
that bloody late goal against Fulham . Damn
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Easy Tiger....you have been hanging on every word today.....remember...you can't participate on a rival fanzine without expecting some form of scrutiny.....granted it appears you have had a tot....but O'Neils side will get beat on monday. Alreet?
;D Time will tell marra, time will tell. We'll see you in the Arena! ;)
Did you enjoy the arena Davey?
I said after the Newcastle game you were lucky and got carved open by them but got through with the ref and 3 screamers. Everton for some reason thought attacking was not to be done against you, but you must be worried about DiCanio over a full season? He just seems to say bizarre things that if results are not falling, will alienate players very quickly.
We are still well and truly in the shit.
And the biggest one of all, Sessegnon out for the remaining games leaving us as toothless as we have ever been.
Yep Davey, losing Sessegnon is a massive blow. He seemed to be getting his form back as well.
Personally i think your defence is the worry. When we went 2-1 in front last night, i said to the others that i could see us getting another couple but i was'nt expecting 6. I also thought that we'd concede again at some point but for once that did'nt happen.
I think Di Canio will keep you up. Where you'll go from there with him is anyone's guess.
To be fair, we've shipped a few soft goals but the defense, as aging as it is, hasn't been overly bad up until last night. My main worry is a lack of quality and pace throughout the side.
Your last sentence is exactly how i feel.
MON f**ked both our teams
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Always a pleasure to get Davey B's take on all things Mackem. Considered, realistic and respectful of the fact that he's on the forum of another club. He'll be more than welcome back next season...provided we've done the double over them again ;)
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Easy Tiger....you have been hanging on every word today.....remember...you can't participate on a rival fanzine without expecting some form of scrutiny.....granted it appears you have had a tot....but O'Neils side will get beat on monday. Alreet?
;D Time will tell marra, time will tell. We'll see you in the Arena! ;)
Did you enjoy the arena Davey?
I said after the Newcastle game you were lucky and got carved open by them but got through with the ref and 3 screamers. Everton for some reason thought attacking was not to be done against you, but you must be worried about DiCanio over a full season? He just seems to say bizarre things that if results are not falling, will alienate players very quickly.
We are still well and truly in the shit.
And the biggest one of all, Sessegnon out for the remaining games leaving us as toothless as we have ever been.
Yep Davey, losing Sessegnon is a massive blow. He seemed to be getting his form back as well.
Personally i think your defence is the worry. When we went 2-1 in front last night, i said to the others that i could see us getting another couple but i was'nt expecting 6. I also thought that we'd concede again at some point but for once that did'nt happen.
I think Di Canio will keep you up. Where you'll go from there with him is anyone's guess.
The Sudetenland.
;D ;D ;D Quality!!
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adrian Durham raving about us on Talksport
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We've made a huge step forward last night but we still need another 3 points to be safe. Until we do that I wouldn't be talking about who we might / might not relegate. A win at Norwich will see us safe as it would mean Wigan will need to win 3 or their last 4 games (including us) to catch us. They need full points from West Brom & Swansea otherwise I think they'll go down.
I also think we'll get something from the Chelsea & Wigan games.
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Maybe Abyssinia rather than Sudetenland.
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Haile likely.
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Well played sir.
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Ideal scenario for me:
We're safe before the Wigan game, Wigan need a point from us to stay up and send Newcastle down. We give them a point.
We push Benteke down Whelan's wheezy gob.
F*** Wigwam.
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Ideal scenario for me:
We're safe before the Wigan game, Wigan need a point from us to stay up and send Newcastle down. We give them a point.
that bloody late goal against Fulham . Damn
Newcastle's bloody late winner against Fulham. Double damn.
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If we are in the luxurious position of being able to affprd Wigan a favour, I hope we do the exact opposite and nail them, for a number of reasons.
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Thing that struck me about Sunderland last night was that after two good wins they thought they only had to turn up to win. I think they were a bit shell-shocked that the crowd and the Villa team were really up for it. As PDC explained it in Italian: "Our bellies were full".
Let's hope we do not suffer the same failings against Norwich.
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Didnt think I was being disrespectful of Sunderland as a club, far from it actually, but I stick by the comments that the team is shite and even our shite aint as bad :)
Emphatic Victory last night apart, league table still shows otherwise. Though i concede with losing Sess i can't see this staying this way for much longer. :)
As I thought I put in my initial comment, have no axe to grind with Sunderland Davey, and I agree we have been poor at times this season. However, Lambert has a plan and IF, and it is still a big if, we stay up this season, I think the future looks quite bright for Villa. As for Sunderland, Im not sure MON's signings were that good (quite liked the look of the big French lad in midfield for you last night, he kept battling when others had given up) and they werent exactly signings for the future. Di Canio will need to rebuild in much the same way like Lambert has. Please dont take offence to my initial comment, as for Sessognon, have seen worse tackles not get a red card, but dont think he will win appeal but think you will be fine. Newcastle have two tough games and then QPR away, who may well now relax and show they can play football. Lets hope so eh :)
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Do you mean N'Diaye? He impressed me last night.
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Didnt think I was being disrespectful of Sunderland as a club, far from it actually, but I stick by the comments that the team is shite and even our shite aint as bad :)
Emphatic Victory last night apart, league table still shows otherwise. Though i concede with losing Sess i can't see this staying this way for much longer. :)
As I thought I put in my initial comment, have no axe to grind with Sunderland Davey, and I agree we have been poor at times this season. However, Lambert has a plan and IF, and it is still a big if, we stay up this season, I think the future looks quite bright for Villa. As for Sunderland, Im not sure MON's signings were that good (quite liked the look of the big French lad in midfield for you last night, he kept battling when others had given up) and they werent exactly signings for the future. Di Canio will need to rebuild in much the same way like Lambert has. Please dont take offence to my initial comment, as for Sessognon, have seen worse tackles not get a red card, but dont think he will win appeal but think you will be fine. Newcastle have two tough games and then QPR away, who may well now relax and show they can play football. Lets hope so eh :)
No offence taken marra, genuinelly never thought you had an axe to grind with us, just couldn't understand the reasoning behind your original statement given the season both teams have "endured!" I've seen plenty "shite" from us over the years to know this season we have just been poor, lol! Take anything we served up under Howard Wilkinson, Lawrie McMenemy, Terry Butcher or Mick Buxton. The worst i've seen was under Wilkinson, a home game v the mighty Charlton Athletic where we lost 3 v 1, and we scored ALL of the goals. The three own goals were scored within 8 minutes. That was as bad as it gets!
The five signings made by MON were, bar one, improvements to what we had imho. All, bar Cuellar, are youngish, mid 20's, though Danny Graham is around 28. The big French lad is Alfred N'Diaye. Yeah, he's done well for us as far as i'm concerned, but he's not the finished article just yet. The rebuilding has been needed since Bruce's faltering reign, but Ellis Short is, quite rightly, wanting better value for money to what we have been getting in his opinion. Understandable as he's the one footing the bill! I'm worried about the loss of Sess, coupled with the drubbing from you and it having a knock-on effect impacting on the team confidence for the run-in. He is our most creative and exciting player, his loss is quite a blow. But, as i said elsewhere on here, this is where we'll find out how we respond under the new regime.
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Didnt think I was being disrespectful of Sunderland as a club, far from it actually, but I stick by the comments that the team is shite and even our shite aint as bad :)
Emphatic Victory last night apart, league table still shows otherwise. Though i concede with losing Sess i can't see this staying this way for much longer. :)
As I thought I put in my initial comment, have no axe to grind with Sunderland Davey, and I agree we have been poor at times this season. However, Lambert has a plan and IF, and it is still a big if, we stay up this season, I think the future looks quite bright for Villa. As for Sunderland, Im not sure MON's signings were that good (quite liked the look of the big French lad in midfield for you last night, he kept battling when others had given up) and they werent exactly signings for the future. Di Canio will need to rebuild in much the same way like Lambert has. Please dont take offence to my initial comment, as for Sessognon, have seen worse tackles not get a red card, but dont think he will win appeal but think you will be fine. Newcastle have two tough games and then QPR away, who may well now relax and show they can play football. Lets hope so eh :)
No offence taken marra, genuinelly never thought you had an axe to grind with us, just couldn't understand the reasoning behind your original statement given the season both teams have "endured!" I've seen plenty "shite" from us over the years to know this season we have just been poor, lol! Take anything we served up under Howard Wilkinson, Lawrie McMenemy, Terry Butcher or Mick Buxton. The worst i've seen was under Wilkinson, a home game v the mighty Charlton Athletic where we lost 3 v 1, and we scored ALL of the goals. The three own goals were scored within 8 minutes. That was as bad as it gets!
The five signings made by MON were, bar one, improvements to what we had imho. All, bar Cuellar, are youngish, mid 20's, though Danny Graham is around 28. The big French lad is Alfred N'Diaye. Yeah, he's done well for us as far as i'm concerned, but he's not the finished article just yet. The rebuilding has been needed since Bruce's faltering reign, but Ellis Short is, quite rightly, wanting better value for money to what we have been getting in his opinion. Understandable as he's the one footing the bill! I'm worried about the loss of Sess, coupled with the drubbing from you and it having a knock-on effect impacting on the team confidence for the run-in. He is our most creative and exciting player, his loss is quite a blow. But, as i said elsewhere on here, this is where we'll find out how we respond under the new regime.
You will beat stoke and be safe on Saturday davey, cant say same for Norwich and Newcastle though.
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Didnt think I was being disrespectful of Sunderland as a club, far from it actually, but I stick by the comments that the team is shite and even our shite aint as bad :)
Emphatic Victory last night apart, league table still shows otherwise. Though i concede with losing Sess i can't see this staying this way for much longer. :)
As I thought I put in my initial comment, have no axe to grind with Sunderland Davey, and I agree we have been poor at times this season. However, Lambert has a plan and IF, and it is still a big if, we stay up this season, I think the future looks quite bright for Villa. As for Sunderland, Im not sure MON's signings were that good (quite liked the look of the big French lad in midfield for you last night, he kept battling when others had given up) and they werent exactly signings for the future. Di Canio will need to rebuild in much the same way like Lambert has. Please dont take offence to my initial comment, as for Sessognon, have seen worse tackles not get a red card, but dont think he will win appeal but think you will be fine. Newcastle have two tough games and then QPR away, who may well now relax and show they can play football. Lets hope so eh :)
No offence taken marra, genuinelly never thought you had an axe to grind with us, just couldn't understand the reasoning behind your original statement given the season both teams have "endured!" I've seen plenty "shite" from us over the years to know this season we have just been poor, lol! Take anything we served up under Howard Wilkinson, Lawrie McMenemy, Terry Butcher or Mick Buxton. The worst i've seen was under Wilkinson, a home game v the mighty Charlton Athletic where we lost 3 v 1, and we scored ALL of the goals. The three own goals were scored within 8 minutes. That was as bad as it gets!
The five signings made by MON were, bar one, improvements to what we had imho. All, bar Cuellar, are youngish, mid 20's, though Danny Graham is around 28. The big French lad is Alfred N'Diaye. Yeah, he's done well for us as far as i'm concerned, but he's not the finished article just yet. The rebuilding has been needed since Bruce's faltering reign, but Ellis Short is, quite rightly, wanting better value for money to what we have been getting in his opinion. Understandable as he's the one footing the bill! I'm worried about the loss of Sess, coupled with the drubbing from you and it having a knock-on effect impacting on the team confidence for the run-in. He is our most creative and exciting player, his loss is quite a blow. But, as i said elsewhere on here, this is where we'll find out how we respond under the new regime.
You will beat stoke and be safe on Saturday davey, cant say same for Norwich and Newcastle though.
I hope so Mark, though unless it's a Gardner penna, without Sess i don't see where our goals are coming from. We could do with Danny Graham getting on the sheet! :-\
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If Sunderland lose the Sessegnon appeal then it's going to be really tough for them because i don't rate Danny Graham at all. I did'nt see what the fuss was about when he was at Swansea either. The one thing they could do is play 5 in midfield and try and pick up a few draws along the way and against Stoke might be the ideal time to do that.
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If Sunderland lose the Sessegnon appeal then it's going to be really tough for them because i don't rate Danny Graham at all. I did'nt see what the fuss was about when he was at Swansea either. The one thing they could do is play 5 in midfield and try and pick up a few draws along the way and against Stoke might be the ideal time to do that.
Wasnt aware they had appealed but theres no way i can see that being overturned - I'm sure the ban will stay.
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Game today with Wigan is massive, really need Spuds to do em. Then we can relax a bit more and stuff the Mackems, a team whose supporters I respect immensely from 74/5 and 80/1. their team is likely to be along the lines of Minnolet, Colback, Carlos, O'Shea, Rose, Johnson, Larson, Some big black french lad, Mclean, Graham, Sessignon. FFS, that is a pile of shite, even our shite aint that bad. They were lucky at Newcastle and Everton should have sneaked a draw last week. Lets chase every fecking ball, dont give them time and our superior class will tell
That same pile of shite has been above your "superior classed but not as bad shite" in the table for the majority of the season marra!
Didnt think I was being disrespectful of Sunderland as a club, far from it actually, but I stick by the comments that the team is shite and even our shite aint as bad :)
Emphatic Victory last night apart, league table still shows otherwise. Though i concede with losing Sess i can't see this staying this way for much longer. :)
As I thought I put in my initial comment, have no axe to grind with Sunderland Davey, and I agree we have been poor at times this season. However, Lambert has a plan and IF, and it is still a big if, we stay up this season, I think the future looks quite bright for Villa. As for Sunderland, Im not sure MON's signings were that good (quite liked the look of the big French lad in midfield for you last night, he kept battling when others had given up) and they werent exactly signings for the future. Di Canio will need to rebuild in much the same way like Lambert has. Please dont take offence to my initial comment, as for Sessognon, have seen worse tackles not get a red card, but dont think he will win appeal but think you will be fine. Newcastle have two tough games and then QPR away, who may well now relax and show they can play football. Lets hope so eh :)
No offence taken marra, genuinelly never thought you had an axe to grind with us, just couldn't understand the reasoning behind your original statement given the season both teams have "endured!" I've seen plenty "shite" from us over the years to know this season we have just been poor, lol! Take anything we served up under Howard Wilkinson, Lawrie McMenemy, Terry Butcher or Mick Buxton. The worst i've seen was under Wilkinson, a home game v the mighty Charlton Athletic where we lost 3 v 1, and we scored ALL of the goals. The three own goals were scored within 8 minutes. That was as bad as it gets!
The five signings made by MON were, bar one, improvements to what we had imho. All, bar Cuellar, are youngish, mid 20's, though Danny Graham is around 28. The big French lad is Alfred N'Diaye. Yeah, he's done well for us as far as i'm concerned, but he's not the finished article just yet. The rebuilding has been needed since Bruce's faltering reign, but Ellis Short is, quite rightly, wanting better value for money to what we have been getting in his opinion. Understandable as he's the one footing the bill! I'm worried about the loss of Sess, coupled with the drubbing from you and it having a knock-on effect impacting on the team confidence for the run-in. He is our most creative and exciting player, his loss is quite a blow. But, as i said elsewhere on here, this is where we'll find out how we respond under the new regime.
You will beat stoke and be safe on Saturday davey, cant say same for Norwich and Newcastle though.
I hope so Mark, though unless it's a Gardner penna, without Sess i don't see where our goals are coming from. We could do with Danny Graham getting on the sheet! :-\
I think you have enough to beat stoke , di canio will have them up for it , don't worry davey , you will be fine.
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All we heard in the run up was that Di Canio was going to have them up for Monday. I'm sure Sunderland will be fine but i'd take nothing for granted.
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Fun & Games on Twatter with ex-Newcastle and Sunderland Striker Michael Chopra:
Link (http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/sport/football/newcastle-utd/ex-sunderland-and-newcastle-striker-chopra-slammed-on-twitter-after-mocking-fans-over-aston-villa-drubbing-1-5633070)
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As long as we keep winning, I wouldn't mind seeing Wigan get some wins also as that could drag Stoke back into it. They and Southampton both play Spurs and Sunderland, so if Sunderland win those games they're stuck on 40, presuming Spurs win as expected, with Southampton on 39, and they play each other the last day. Wigan would need to beat Swansea and WBA first, as I think they'll lose to Arsenal, putting them on 38. As long as we're safe (beat Norwich and then face a weakened Chelsea side), that could make for an exciting finish.
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As long as we keep winning, I wouldn't mind seeing Wigan get some wins also as that could drag Stoke back into it. They and Southampton both play Spurs and Sunderland, so if Sunderland win those games they're stuck on 40, presuming Spurs win as expected, with Southampton on 39, and they play each other the last day. Wigan would need to beat Swansea and WBA first, as I think they'll lose to Arsenal, putting them on 38. As long as we're safe (beat Norwich and then face a weakened Chelsea side), that could make for an exciting finish.
If we beat Norwich then i can't see them reaching 40 points and think it will be between them and wigan- stoke with 40 are already safe in my view with their goal difference, and I think newcastle will get the points at qpr.
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Done the predictor and here's what I've got at the bottom going into the last day and the games that matter:-
Sunderland 41 (-11)
Stoke 41 (-11)
Villa 41 (-20)
Southampton 39 (-13)
Norwich 39 (-23)
Newcastle 38 (-24)
Wigan 36 (-25)
Man City v Norwich
Newcastle v Arsenal
Southampton v Stoke
Tottenham v Sunderland
Wigan v Aston Villa
Obviously, Villa upwards are safe, as Southampton should be. You've got to fancy both Norwich and Newcastle to lose, which would mean Norwich are safe. So it would be a case of our result determining whether Wigan or Newcastle stay up. Wouldn't that be nice?
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If Wigan lose away this weekend thats them gone I think. Stoke will put 25 men behind the ball at Sunderland to get a 0-0. That put stoke 9 points in front of Wigan with a much better goal difference, so they'll be safe. If we win then Wigan need to beat Arsenal. In fact if we win and Newcastle and Wigan both lose, as long as Arsenal pick up more than 1 point from their last 2 games were safe
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Do you mean N'Diaye? He impressed me last night.
Yes, thought he continued to put a shift in when others heads had dropped
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If and if it is a big, big if, we win this weekend then I think Norwich are well and truly doomed. Something I have been saying for a long time about them. They have looked ropey for a long time, and goals are difficult. They will probably beat us now as we will have our heads in the clouds, but if we win, they are in trouble. Albion are playing well, and away at Man City last up? Could be a really fun last day as long as we are home and dry!
Biggest game of the weekend is Wigan at Albion though for the league really, if they lose, they are gone.
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Do you mean N'Diaye? He impressed me last night.
I thought his legs looked too small for his torso.
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2 points ahead of where I ever expected us to finish at the start of this run. Incredible that they have taken 20 points since that fateful home defeat to Newcastle (how crucial could that still be). It's strange at the start of this thread, I was confident we would get out of it, now we are where we are I still think we are in it.....
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2 points ahead of where I ever expected us to finish at the start of this run. Incredible that they have taken 20 points since that fateful home defeat to Newcastle (how crucial could that still be). It's strange at the start of this thread, I was confident we would get out of it, now we are where we are I still think we are in it.....
Madness isn't it. Doing the predictor it all comes down to 2 games, one of which we need to go our way. Norwich and Albion, or us and Wigan.
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Come on Harry... Beat the Toon. Please.
I detest Wigan.
Up the Villa.
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Cheer up Ozz, we're in a good position at the moment. We'll stay up.
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Two points up too on my card. I had us down for 41, but we should surpass that.
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Odds on, Wigan will beat Swansea but lose to Arsenal, whilst Villa will lose to Chelsea. If so, in that last game, we would be 2 points ahead with close goal difference. Avoiding defeat would mean safety, plus the potential safety net of other teams below us. On balance, very unlikely to go down now. Thanks, Gabby.
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Grrrrr... I am not down, or doom mongering FFS! I am just saying how I see it. All the sides down there have a really win-able fixture. Fulham was ours and we drew, a game we deserved on chances to win, but drew. If the same fate hts Wigan on Tuesday then happy days.
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Fulham and Stoke aren't out of it either.
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Fulham and Stoke aren't out of it either.
All depends if we roll to Chelsea. If we do, and in this run of excellent form all the top sides have still beaten us, then they are out of it.
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Fulham and Stoke aren't out of it either.
We need Stoke to go and beat Sunderland to keep them safe so that we remain at least one win ahead of Sunderland with two left.
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Fulham and Stoke aren't out of it either.
All depends if we roll to Chelsea. If we do, and in this run of excellent form all the top sides have still beaten us, then they are out of it.
True. I honestly think Lambert will have the players wound up for this one more than any other game this season though. Honestly, we really do owe them one.
Even a draw would be a decent result for us.
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Looking at the Chelsea game surely Lambert would have to consider leaving Bennet out, i said after the Sunderland game that we should ignore how our defence performed as they were not good going forward but it is
obvious that all opposition managers see Bennet as our main defensive weakness and target him, so who plays left back against Chelsea?
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Fulham and Stoke aren't out of it either.
We need Stoke to go and beat Sunderland to keep them safe so that we remain at least one win ahead of Sunderland with two left.
Even so, I would fancy Sunderland to beat Southampton. To be honest 2 draws would be great for us in the Sunderland games, but they are likely to get 3-4 points.
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Looking at the Chelsea game surely Lambert would have to consider leaving Bennet out, i said after the Sunderland game that we should ignore how our defence performed as they were not good going forward but it is
obvious that all opposition managers see Bennet as our main defensive weakness and target him, so who plays left back against Chelsea?
Depends if Clark is fit. If he is, I would put him in at left back.
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Did Sylla play today?
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Did Sylla play today?
Yes, played decently. Probably a hair below Delph in terms of impact but he was decent.
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Did Sylla play today?
Yes, played decently. Probably a hair below Delph in terms of impact but he was decent.
I was really impressed with his passing today. We've seen his snappiness in the tackle since his move, but today and against Sunderland he's shown signs of being up-to-speed, and his sharpness of passing is getting much better.
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Always think we look better with him in the side, think him coming in and Baker in place of Clark at the back have made a massive difference.
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Always think we look better with him in the side, think him coming in and Baker in place of Clark at the back have made a massive difference.
I think Clark's and Baker's strengths and weaknesses end up roughly equal: I would say Clark lacks a certain ferocity when man-marking which Baker certainly has no problem with, but his positioning is uncanny where Baker's is ploddingly uncertain, sometimes. Sylla, though, I don't disagree on. We just look better with him there.
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Fulham and Stoke aren't out of it either.
We need Stoke to go and beat Sunderland to keep them safe so that we remain at least one win ahead of Sunderland with two left.
Even so, I would fancy Sunderland to beat Southampton. To be honest 2 draws would be great for us in the Sunderland games, but they are likely to get 3-4 points.
I agree with you. Every team down in the relegation zone will win every game, even if they are playing against each other
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Norwich will struggle for another win. Newcastle have to beat QPR. Sunderland losing to Stoke would also be huge.
Ourselves and Wigan might end up playing for a point on the final day yet....
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Encouraging display from QPR today. Repeat it against Newcastle and they could win.
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Norwich will struggle for another win. Newcastle have to beat QPR. Sunderland losing to Stoke would also be huge.
Ourselves and Wigan might end up playing for a point on the final day yet....
I think Norwich will beat Baggies, we are not out of it yet by a long way, just like i thought all the long odds on the like of Norwich, Sunderland, Newcastle was a week or so ago, think our odds are big now.Difference is we are a confident team, 4th best over last 8 games. Please let it continue
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I think it needs saying again, Gabby's winner was absolutely crucial considering Wigan won today. 2 points dropped today could have sunk us despite all the goodwill following the hammering we gave to Sunderland a week ago. We are still far from out of it. We havent beaten a decent side since Liverpool at Xmas so Chelsea will be very strong favourites to come to Villa Park and turn us over. Benitez's sides tend to finish the season strongly but they are bound to be running on empty by the time they play us.
Wigan I reckon need to beat Swansea midweek to keep us looking over our shoulder. Cant see them going to Arsenal and winning and beating us either. Think 39 points is the most they will get.
Sunderland with home games to come v Stoke and Southampton and a positive goal difference seem in a relatively strong position. Yet they are desperately short of quality and no idea where their goals are going to come from. Can see Spurs giving them a hiding on the last day too. Id put them at 39 points but if Stoke can go there and beat them, think they are fucked imo.
Newcastle simply have to beat QPR next weekend. I think they will too. I think its a positive for them to be away from home as SJP could well turn on the players big time if QPR scored first. 41 points for them to finish and limp over the line. They fuck that game up and they will deserve to go down.
Norwich played well yesterday but similar to Sunderland are desperately short on quality. Despite the best efforts of their midfield, did Holt look a threat? I dont think so and Bennett at centre half aint great. I hope they stay up but saw nothing about them yesterday to see where their next win is coming from. Id put them at 39 points too to finish.
Southampton not quite out of it yet but can see them winning one of their last 2 games. Sunderland probably. 42 points.
Cant see Stoke getting beaten at Sunderland. Fulham had a ridiculous result yesterday but have 2 reasonable games to finish with. We wont lose to Wigan if we need a result and could well nick a point against Chelsea.
Impossible to call but Wigan will get out of it if they beat Swansea I reckon. Norwich's worse goal difference over Sunderland could be crucial.
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One thing not to overlook is the number of games including an energy sapping FA Cup Final Wigan have got. Especially having to play at the Emirates only 3 days after the final. They've already got injuries (Beausejour the latest. I think our forwards will pick them off with their pace and power.
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One thing not to overlook is the number of games including an energy sapping FA Cup Final Wigan have got. Especially having to play at the Emirates only 3 days after the final. They've already got injuries (Beausejour the latest. I think our forwards will pick them off with their pace and power.
I think they will lose against Arsenal, but essentially if they beat Swansea, they go into the final game knowing that beating us will likely save them. I don't think the amount of games will come into it then.
Like I said, and have been accused of doom mongering which I am not at all, for me if we lose on the final day, there is a very decent chance we will go down looking at the fixtures of the other teams. That result yesterday for Wigan was massive.
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They do seem to have all the luck with Michu now injured. Who know, Kone and Maloney might get injured! We really need to put everything in against Chelsea to get at least a point. They're not invincible - even the Baggies have beaten them at the Hawthorns - not forgetting QPR's win at the Bridge!
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They do seem to have all the luck with Michu now injured. Who know, Kone and Maloney might get injured! We really need to put everything in against Chelsea to get at least a point. They're not invincible - even the Baggies have beaten them at the Hawthorns - not forgetting QPR's win at the Bridge!
We've got plenty to motivate us as well!
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Gabby's goal was absolutely crucial. We're definitely not safe yet. To put it in its simplest terms: if we assume Wigan will beat Swansea, then unless we beat chelsea, every team that could go down will be within three points of us going into the final game, and some are likely to be above us.
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And of those teams, I expect that going into the final games, Newcastle will be above us, Sunderland will be a minimum of one point behind, Wigan will be two points behind and norwich have a 50/50 chance of being above us. Saints will be level with us I imagine.
I cannot see Wigan or Newcastle failing to win their next games. I'm pretty worried still. I really don't want to have to get something against Wigan. It just feels so possible that they'll get a late winner.
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I'm as worried as I ever was. Wigan winning was an absolute shitter.
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Are people that shocked that Wigan won yesterday?
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I'm as worried as I ever was. Wigan winning was an absolute shitter.
And of those teams, I expect that going into the final games, Newcastle will be above us, Sunderland will be a minimum of one point behind, Wigan will be two points behind and norwich have a 50/50 chance of being above us. Saints will be level with us I imagine.
I cannot see Wigan or Newcastle failing to win their next games. I'm pretty worried still. I really don't want to have to get something against Wigan. It just feels so possible that they'll get a late winner.
There is no cure for irrational thoughts. I am afraid you are just going to keep on suffering till its mathematically impossible.
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I don'y know if i'm shocked Wigan won but i'm pissed off they did.
I'm also nervous as hell about having to get something at Wigan to stay up. Nightmare scenario that i'm desperate for us to avoid at all costs.
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Wigan got lucky again with that stonewall penalty at the death.
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Wigan got lucky again with that stonewall penalty at the death.
Make that two with with the handball in the box.
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Yes, Wigan did get lucky.And that's my worry. They are suddenly footballs darlings, the perennial escape artists, with swell of sympathy and support from the media and a lot of neutrals. I just hope it doesn't influence ref's decisions during games.
In reality, we should be glad to see the back of them. Martinez talking about April and May being 'WiganTime', and eveyone lapping it up, really pisses me off.
That said, it's good to see that we are getting the rub of the green at last. I certainly feel that we had a bit of luck yesterday, especially with Brad's flap right at the death.
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Wigan can stay up, possibly, but its far more likely to be at the expense of Newcastle or Norwich. Even then there are another two sides below us.
We are the best side in the bottom half. We score plenty of goals and care a significant threat. Chances are, we already have enough points, but lets make sure of it and get some revenge Saturday morning.
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Are people that shocked that Wigan won yesterday?
No. They was always going to win. As soon as I saw Rosenberg in the WBA team I though Wigan would win.
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Another thing to mention as well is the Stripeyfilth took off two strikers when it was 2-2.
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Just watched Wigan's winner again on TV news - the Albion full back did not make a challenge when Wigan winger crossed the ball.
I bet they will give Norwich 3pts as well.
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WBA doing their utmost to fuck us over
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And of those teams, I expect that going into the final games, Newcastle will be above us, Sunderland will be a minimum of one point behind, Wigan will be two points behind and norwich have a 50/50 chance of being above us. Saints will be level with us I imagine.
I cannot see Wigan or Newcastle failing to win their next games. I'm pretty worried still. I really don't want to have to get something against Wigan. It just feels so possible that they'll get a late winner.
I'd stop trying to predict games if I was you Matt, it is a complete waste of time. None of us could see Fulham conceding 4 against Reading yesterday, a team already on the beach, nothing to play for etc, etc. I wouldn't be in the least surprised to see Wigan draw against Swansea when everyone thinks it is a nailed on three points for them or Newcastle lose to QPR in the latter's last home game of the season
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QPR did us no favours yesterday. Whilst we're all thinking that Chelsea are after top 4, what the real aim for them is top 3. Automatic group stage qualification. Had Arsenal lost yesterday, Chelsea could've wrapped up third place with wins today and Wednesday. Even with winning these two now, they'll still need a win against us to guarantee 3rd spot so that they can spend their last day wanking themselves stupid whilst booing the manager who's got it all for them.
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Wigan got lucky again with that stonewall penalty at the death.
Make that two with with the handball in the box.
...and we got lucky with Bennett not being sent off.
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QPR did us no favours yesterday.
Well, they'll get another chance next week.
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QPR did us no favours yesterday.
Well, they'll get another chance next week.
We win Saturday, they win Sunday, all shall be forgiven. Leave the barcodes looking proper fooked.
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Did the predictor thing again. Had us saying up on 41 points above Wigan. Trouble is this was predicated on us drawing with Wigan in the last match. If we lost that we would be down.
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This relegation run in hasn't gone the way anybody expected. Who in February would have thought we'd have got to 40 points by now and still be looking over our shoulders.
This season has definitely cemented Wigan as the team I dislike the most. April/May 'Wigan time'? Fack off Martinez (so glad he isn't our manager).
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I'd love to see those predictions where all the teams below us get the results they need. Was it a worst case scenario generator?
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I'd love to see those predictions where all the teams below us get the results they need. Was it a worst case scenario generator?
If you go on other club forums they seem to torture themselves in a similar way.
On a serious note, I remember hoping we would somehow scrape to 35 points by the time we played Wigan so as to have a chance of staying up on the last day. Things did look bad before the West Ham game. I remember Lambert saying we needed six wins and in fairness we got them.
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I'd love to see those predictions where all the teams below us get the results they need. Was it a worst case scenario generator?
Certainly seems that way. We aren't safe yet but there are five teams below us and I think it would be extraordinary with 2/3 games left for all of them to finish ahead of us.
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QPR did us no favours yesterday. Whilst we're all thinking that Chelsea are after top 4, what the real aim for them is top 3. Automatic group stage qualification. Had Arsenal lost yesterday, Chelsea could've wrapped up third place with wins today and Wednesday. Even with winning these two now, they'll still need a win against us to guarantee 3rd spot so that they can spend their last day wanking themselves stupid whilst booing the manager who's got it all for them.
Jaysus, you don't ask for much! Chelsea wrapping-up 3rd place, as well as QPR beating Arsenal (and how likely was that going to be?) would require both United and Spurs losing to Chelsea over the next few days. Very tall order.
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QPR did us no favours yesterday. Whilst we're all thinking that Chelsea are after top 4, what the real aim for them is top 3. Automatic group stage qualification. Had Arsenal lost yesterday, Chelsea could've wrapped up third place with wins today and Wednesday. Even with winning these two now, they'll still need a win against us to guarantee 3rd spot so that they can spend their last day wanking themselves stupid whilst booing the manager who's got it all for them.
Jaysus, you don't ask for much! Chelsea wrapping-up 3rd place, as well as QPR beating Arsenal (and how likely was that going to be?) would require both United and Spurs losing to Chelsea over the next few days. Very tall order.
I know! I was just feeling a bit left out, so I thought I'd try wearing the doom and gloom hat for a minute.
Didn't like it.
Taken it off again now.
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You talk about teams having luck. I mean how lucky were Arsenal when Barry was off the pitch meaning Young having to take the penalty?
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Did the predictor thing again. Had us saying up on 41 points above Wigan. Trouble is this was predicated on us drawing with Wigan in the last match. If we lost that we would be down.
Your predictions have hardly been accurate lately though, have they?
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Strange feeling last night, like others on here I felt subdued mainly because of Wigans win at the stripey filth, the two massive wins to take us to 40 points should have lead to a party atmosphere on here yet most of us are still shitting ourselves, I think this is due to us thinking that Chelsea will routinely roll us over plus that we will bottle it against Wigan who are so much more experienced in this situation, maybe we all should believe in our players a bit more to get the job done as although the team have been under immense pressure in recent months their strength of character along with massively improved form has been amazing.
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Strange feeling last night, like others on here I felt subdued mainly because of Wigans win at the stripey filth, the two massive wins to take us to 40 points should have lead to a party atmosphere on here yet most of us are still shitting ourselves, I think this is due to us thinking that Chelsea will routinely roll us over plus that we will bottle it against Wigan who are so much more experienced in this situation, maybe we all should believe in our players a bit more to get the job done as although the team have been under immense pressure in recent months their strength of character along with massively improved form has been amazing.
You are of course right, but football has this nasty habit of kicking a Villa fan in the nuts for shits and giggles as often as it can. So after looking like we are well and truly round the corner, and the team are maturing, and the best players want to stay and build for once, I just have this nagging feeling Uncle Dave will be smiling drowning in Champaign claiming Woberto to be a latter day Shankley on the pitch at the end of the final game, and we will be wringing our hands thinking of what might have been, having thought 2 games before we were safe. West Ham went on 42 a couple of years ago. 40 points means nothing at the moment. Look how many it took to stay up in the Championship this season, its mad.
I am probably, and most likely wrong, but to think we are safe and the job is done would bite us squarely in the arse.
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If we can be ahead of Norwich going into the last game we should be safe.
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Absolutely right, Ozzjim, the job isn't done yet but we're well on course. I also think it'll go down to the last day, and like in the Championship, there will be numerous twists and turns during the final 90 minutes.
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Strange feeling last night, like others on here I felt subdued mainly because of Wigans win at the stripey filth, the two massive wins to take us to 40 points should have lead to a party atmosphere on here yet most of us are still shitting ourselves, I think this is due to us thinking that Chelsea will routinely roll us over plus that we will bottle it against Wigan who are so much more experienced in this situation, maybe we all should believe in our players a bit more to get the job done as although the team have been under immense pressure in recent months their strength of character along with massively improved form has been amazing.
You are of course right, but football has this nasty habit of kicking a Villa fan in the nuts for shits and giggles as often as it can. So after looking like we are well and truly round the corner, and the team are maturing, and the best players want to stay and build for once, I just have this nagging feeling Uncle Dave will be smiling drowning in Champaign claiming Woberto to be a latter day Shankley on the pitch at the end of the final game, and we will be wringing our hands thinking of what might have been, having thought 2 games before we were safe. West Ham went on 42 a couple of years ago. 40 points means nothing at the moment. Look how many it took to stay up in the Championship this season, its mad.
I am probably, and most likely wrong, but to think we are safe and the job is done would bite us squarely in the arse.
What you say makes a lot of sense and because of my age I have had more than my share of heartbreak following Villa, I haven't said we are safe but that maybe this bunch of players who have been on such a rollercoaster this season may just be a bit stronger than we thought and might get the job done without things going for us in other matches, lets all hope and pray that it's true.
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If we can be ahead of Norwich going into the last game we should be safe.
If we above Newcastle, Sunderland or Norwich I will fancy us to be safe. Below and its going to be a hell of a game with Wigan.
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All the above is true but last Saturday morning before the Sunderland game we were three points ahead of Wigan but they had a game in hand and a better goal difference as did Newcastle and Norwich.
Its been a great week.
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Without checking, but surely there must be precedent in probably every season ever whereby at least one of the teams occupying 14th-18th fails to pick up more than one point in their final two games? They can't all become world-beaters overnight. As others have said, they're down there for a reason. Us and wigan are the only ones putting meaningful points on the board. A Stoke win tomorrow leaves sunderland below us. We'll be fine.
*he says slightly nervously*
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I'd love to see those predictions where all the teams below us get the results they need. Was it a worst case scenario generator?
I like the way that teams get three points each when they play each other.
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I think at worst we'll only need to draw at Wigan om the final day. Hopefully it won't get that close. I still think Wigan will falter with so many high pressure matches in a short space of time. Wembley will knacker them out. I hope it goes to ET and Man City win in the 120th minute!!
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Did the predictor thing again. Had us saying up on 41 points above Wigan. Trouble is this was predicated on us drawing with Wigan in the last match. If we lost that we would be down.
Your predictions have hardly been accurate lately though, have they?
Lately used in the loosest terms surely? This is the 3rd season un a row he has being saying we're definitely going down.
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I just can't see Wigan failing to beat Swansea. There aren't many teams you'd rather play at this point.
And I think we'll lose v Chelsea too. I think next weekend may be a bit like the man utd weekend.we lose and watch other teams overtake us. So Wigan will have the chance to overtake us on the final day I think.
I'm pretty sure it will go down to the last game for us. If so, we've got to hope that as many other teams as possible are below us going into that game.
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I think at worst we'll only need to draw at Wigan om the final day. Hopefully it won't get that close. I still think Wigan will falter with so many high pressure matches in a short space of time. Wembley will knacker them out. I hope it goes to ET and Man City win in the 120th minute!!
Is there any other ground where we've picked up 14 points in our last six visits?
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I think I'm right in saying that in order for us to go into the Wigan game with even mild concern, ALL of the following things have to happen:
Wigan beat Swansea
Norwich beat West Brom
Newcastle beat QPR
Chelsea beat us
Odds of 16-1 on that lot in an accumulator. So if you're certain that it'll come down to some sort of exciting last-day shoot out, then you might as well clean up. If you want to throw in Wigan winning at Arsenal as well, to give us real concern then you can get 156-1 on that.
And then we'll probably draw with Wigan and stay up anyway. Win-win.
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I think its about time we beat one of the top five
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Agree, even QPR won at the Bridge! Benteke hat-trick next Saturday!
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I think I'm right in saying that in order for us to go into the Wigan game with even mild concern, ALL of the following things have to happen:
Wigan beat Swansea
Norwich beat West Brom
Newcastle beat QPR
Chelsea beat us
Odds of 16-1 on that lot in an accumulator. So if you're certain that it'll come down to some sort of exciting last-day shoot out, then you might as well clean up. If you want to throw in Wigan winning at Arsenal as well, to give us real concern then you can get 156-1 on that.
And then we'll probably draw with Wigan and stay up anyway. Win-win.
Very well put. But, in fact, those are all pretty likely so 16-1 is short odds given the variables. Whichever way I look at likely results, Villa will need at least a draw at Wigan.
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I think I'm right in saying that in order for us to go into the Wigan game with even mild concern, ALL of the following things have to happen:
Wigan beat Swansea
Norwich beat West Brom
Newcastle beat QPR
Chelsea beat us
Odds of 16-1 on that lot in an accumulator. So if you're certain that it'll come down to some sort of exciting last-day shoot out, then you might as well clean up. If you want to throw in Wigan winning at Arsenal as well, to give us real concern then you can get 156-1 on that.
And then we'll probably draw with Wigan and stay up anyway. Win-win.
Very well put. But, in fact, those are all pretty likely so 16-1 is short odds given the variables. Whichever way I look at likely results, Villa will need at least a draw at Wigan.
Before Chelsea play us they have to play Manu away and Spurs at home, then 4 days after they have the Europa Cup Final against Benfica. If ever there was a good time to play them, this is it.
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Strange feeling last night, like others on here I felt subdued mainly because of Wigans win at the stripey filth, the two massive wins to take us to 40 points should have lead to a party atmosphere on here yet most of us are still shitting ourselves, I think this is due to us thinking that Chelsea will routinely roll us over plus that we will bottle it against Wigan who are so much more experienced in this situation, maybe we all should believe in our players a bit more to get the job done as although the team have been under immense pressure in recent months their strength of character along with massively improved form has been amazing.
You are of course right, but football has this nasty habit of kicking a Villa fan in the nuts for shits and giggles as often as it can. So after looking like we are well and truly round the corner, and the team are maturing, and the best players want to stay and build for once, I just have this nagging feeling Uncle Dave will be smiling drowning in Champaign claiming Woberto to be a latter day Shankley on the pitch at the end of the final game, and we will be wringing our hands thinking of what might have been, having thought 2 games before we were safe. West Ham went on 42 a couple of years ago. 40 points means nothing at the moment. Look how many it took to stay up in the Championship this season, its mad.
I am probably, and most likely wrong, but to think we are safe and the job is done would bite us squarely in the arse.
I get that Ozz.
But if Wigan's late winner was a sickner for us yesterday, ours must have been for them too.
To get themselves into a winning position and the gap being closed down to two points (with a game in hand) only for it to go out again to five. With their run of games coming up fatigue, injuries and so forth will almost inevitably be play a part. If Martinez can work around all that and keeps them up from this point on, I might bow to Whelan's decleration that he is one of the best in the business.
One thing we must take from this whole scenario is we can't have a season like this again. This is our third season in a row now of being involved at the arse end of the table. Hang around there long enough and you will eventually go down. Which is what I think will do for Wigan this time.
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I think I'm right in saying that in order for us to go into the Wigan game with even mild concern, ALL of the following things have to happen:
Wigan beat Swansea
Norwich beat West Brom
Newcastle beat QPR
Chelsea beat us
Odds of 16-1 on that lot in an accumulator. So if you're certain that it'll come down to some sort of exciting last-day shoot out, then you might as well clean up. If you want to throw in Wigan winning at Arsenal as well, to give us real concern then you can get 156-1 on that.
And then we'll probably draw with Wigan and stay up anyway. Win-win.
Very well put. But, in fact, those are all pretty likely so 16-1 is short odds given the variables. Whichever way I look at likely results, Villa will need at least a draw at Wigan.
Before Chelsea play us they have to play Manu away and Spurs at home, then 4 days after they have the Europa Cup Final against Benfica. If ever there was a good time to play them, this is it.
If they win today and against spurs it would virtually guarantee spurs can't catch them too.
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Strange feeling last night, like others on here I felt subdued mainly because of Wigans win at the stripey filth, the two massive wins to take us to 40 points should have lead to a party atmosphere on here yet most of us are still shitting ourselves, I think this is due to us thinking that Chelsea will routinely roll us over plus that we will bottle it against Wigan who are so much more experienced in this situation, maybe we all should believe in our players a bit more to get the job done as although the team have been under immense pressure in recent months their strength of character along with massively improved form has been amazing.
You are of course right, but football has this nasty habit of kicking a Villa fan in the nuts for shits and giggles as often as it can. So after looking like we are well and truly round the corner, and the team are maturing, and the best players want to stay and build for once, I just have this nagging feeling Uncle Dave will be smiling drowning in Champaign claiming Woberto to be a latter day Shankley on the pitch at the end of the final game, and we will be wringing our hands thinking of what might have been, having thought 2 games before we were safe. West Ham went on 42 a couple of years ago. 40 points means nothing at the moment. Look how many it took to stay up in the Championship this season, its mad.
I am probably, and most likely wrong, but to think we are safe and the job is done would bite us squarely in the arse.
I get that Ozz.
But if Wigan's late winner was a sickner for us yesterday, ours must have been for them too.
To get themselves into a winning position and the gap being closed down to two points (with a game in hand) only for it to go out again to five. With their run of games coming up fatigue, injuries and so forth will almost inevitably be play a part. If Martinez can work around all that and keeps them up from this point on, I might bow to Whelan's decleration that he is one of the best in the business.
One thing we must take from this whole scenario is we can't have a season like this again. This is our third season in a row now of being involved at the arse end of the table. Hang around there long enough and you will eventually go down. Which is what I think will do for Wigan this time.
Yes but wigan know if they beat swansea they will go above both newcastle and Norwich with 2 to play .
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Good points about Chelsea. I'll be screaming for them at OT from 4. Otherwise, I have just realised that we want Stoke to win their 3 remaining games. 2 teams close to Villa plus Spurs, who would then have more need to beat Sunderland
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I think I'm right in saying that in order for us to go into the Wigan game with even mild concern, ALL of the following things have to happen:
Wigan beat Swansea
Norwich beat West Brom
Newcastle beat QPR
Chelsea beat us
Odds of 16-1 on that lot in an accumulator. So if you're certain that it'll come down to some sort of exciting last-day shoot out, then you might as well clean up. If you want to throw in Wigan winning at Arsenal as well, to give us real concern then you can get 156-1 on that.
And then we'll probably draw with Wigan and stay up anyway. Win-win.
Very well put. But, in fact, those are all pretty likely so 16-1 is short odds given the variables. Whichever way I look at likely results, Villa will need at least a draw at Wigan.
Before Chelsea play us they have to play Manu away and Spurs at home, then 4 days after they have the Europa Cup Final against Benfica. If ever there was a good time to play them, this is it.
If Chelsea can get a result today and hopefully the champs league places are sorted by Saturday then I think Chelsea are there for the taking. They'll want to win the cup. Players will not want to pick up injuries. Rafa will also rest players.
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Seems to be a depleted United side too this afternoon
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If stoke beat spurs then there's a risk they'll be out of it by the time they play Sunderland. Spurs have a nasty habit of occasionally losing 1-0 at home to teams like Sunderland.
If we can get a point v Chelsea I'm very confident we'll be fine. If we can't, then I do think its hard to see any other situation than going to Wigan needing a draw to be sure of staying up. I think that's a hugely dangerous position to be in.
We do strangely have a very good record at home to Chelsea, while their away form is poor of late (no doubt in part because they've had some tough games recently).
But the thought of mata and hazard up against Bennett and lichaj doesn't really bear thinking about.
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Lowton will be fit for next week.
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If stoke beat spurs
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Two home wins since the turn of the year, both by a single-goal, against Reading and Norwich. If this is what it's come to, can I be the first to predict that, next season, everybody will beat everybody else to leave us bottom on no points.
But the thought of mata and hazard up against Bennett and lichaj doesn't really bear thinking about.
Maybe, but I bet our front 3 can't wait to get stuck into Ivanovic and Luiz
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I just can't see Wigan failing to beat Swansea.
I can so don't worry.
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Must admit my heart sank a bit when after watching how poor a team Norwich were yesterday, I saw like Newcastle they have a get out of jail free card with WBA at home next week.
I maintain even if we lose to Chelsea we'll be safe if either Newcastle or Norwich fail to win next week as I can't see Newcastle beating Arsenal who'll need something for top 4 and no chance Norwich will get anything at Man. City.
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Oh I agree. If Norwich or Newcastle fail to win their next game I can't see them finishing above us.
Same applies for Wigan, obviously.
I guess if you put it that way - will all three poor sides win their next game - it starts to feel more unlikely. Just not unlikely enough to put me at ease quite yet! The teams they're playing are 19th, 18th and 16th in the form table.
Would love to think Wigan won't beat Swansea, but I don't see it. Swansea will be just as tired as Wigan, have nothing to play for and their goal threat is out. I also think Newcastle will win. So very much hoping west brom can turn Norwich over.
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Swansea don't concede a shed load so a 1-1 is possible but yeah they haven't scored much recently and Michu has gone on a siesta.
Again if Swansea don't win on Tuesday I reckon that will be us safe as I think they'll lose at the emirates 3 days after the cup final and so the max they could get them would be 39 which could still well keep them up of course.
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Strange feeling last night, like others on here I felt subdued mainly because of Wigans win at the stripey filth, the two massive wins to take us to 40 points should have lead to a party atmosphere on here yet most of us are still shitting ourselves, I think this is due to us thinking that Chelsea will routinely roll us over plus that we will bottle it against Wigan who are so much more experienced in this situation, maybe we all should believe in our players a bit more to get the job done as although the team have been under immense pressure in recent months their strength of character along with massively improved form has been amazing.
You are of course right, but football has this nasty habit of kicking a Villa fan in the nuts for shits and giggles as often as it can. So after looking like we are well and truly round the corner, and the team are maturing, and the best players want to stay and build for once, I just have this nagging feeling Uncle Dave will be smiling drowning in Champaign claiming Woberto to be a latter day Shankley on the pitch at the end of the final game, and we will be wringing our hands thinking of what might have been, having thought 2 games before we were safe. West Ham went on 42 a couple of years ago. 40 points means nothing at the moment. Look how many it took to stay up in the Championship this season, its mad.
I am probably, and most likely wrong, but to think we are safe and the job is done would bite us squarely in the arse.
I get that Ozz.
But if Wigan's late winner was a sickner for us yesterday, ours must have been for them too.
To get themselves into a winning position and the gap being closed down to two points (with a game in hand) only for it to go out again to five. With their run of games coming up fatigue, injuries and so forth will almost inevitably be play a part. If Martinez can work around all that and keeps them up from this point on, I might bow to Whelan's decleration that he is one of the best in the business.
One thing we must take from this whole scenario is we can't have a season like this again. This is our third season in a row now of being involved at the arse end of the table. Hang around there long enough and you will eventually go down. Which is what I think will do for Wigan this time.
Yes but wigan know if they beat swansea they will go above both newcastle and Norwich with 2 to play .
Won't change the fact that they'll be knackered by the time they play us, and we'll be just as motivated as they are.
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Strange feeling last night, like others on here I felt subdued mainly because of Wigan's win at the stripey filth, the two massive wins to take us to 40 points should have lead to a party atmosphere on here yet most of us are still shitting ourselves,
You are of course right, but football has this nasty habit of kicking a Villa fan in the nuts for shits and giggles as often as it can. So after looking like we are well and truly round the corner, and the team are maturing, and the best players want to stay and build for once, I just have this nagging feeling Uncle Dave will be smiling drowning in Champaign claiming Woberto to be a latter day Shankley on the pitch at the end of the final game, and we will be wringing our hands thinking of what might have been, having thought 2 games before we were safe. West Ham went on 42 a couple of years ago. 40 points means nothing at the moment.
I am probably, and most likely wrong, but to think we are safe and the job is done would bite us squarely in the arse.
It's ten years since West Ham went down with 42 points. No team has been down with 40 points since, I read today.
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Benitez doesn't give a shit about the integrity of the league, have a look at some of the line ups Liverpool had in the last few games of 06/07 when they rested half their team for the champions league final. Warnock wasn't happy with the team they had out at Fulham.
Chelsea played this team at Southampton when they lost 2-1:
1 (G) P Cech
2 (D) B Ivanovic
26 (D) J Terry
28 (D) C Azpilicueta
34 (D) R Bertrand
8 (M) F Lampard
11 (M) Oscar (76)
12 (M) J Mikel (72)
21 (M) M Marin (61)
Yellow card 9 (F) F Torres
13 (F) V Moses
22 (G) R Turnbull
3 (D) A Cole
4 (D) D Luiz
7 (M) Ramires (72)
17 (M) E Hazard (61)
30 (M) Y Benayoun (76)
29 (F) D Ba
Think we're likely to see that on Saturday if they beat Spurs, can't see the likes of Mata and Hazard playing if there's a euro final 4 days away, Hazard was absent today anyway.
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I think Demba Ba will play as he is ineligible for europa.
Yes quite right if they beat spurs they can relax and makes villa job easier- did i just type that! I mean its never easy with villa this season ! Will show the turn around from that match at Stanford bridge ! We ve come along way baby !
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5 points better off than my original prediction. I'm sticking to my guns. The Norwich result has saved us.
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Ladies and Gentlemen our work here is done. Well done to everyone who was a part of this journey.
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Onwards and upwards.
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It worked.