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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Toronto Villa on February 25, 2023, 04:55:42 PM
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Good solid win. We played ok and thankfully that’s all that was needed to beat a terrible Everton side. Lots to work to do but something to build on. Emi B MOM cameo performance
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Can we play you every week? No seriously, Can we?
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Played appallingly until we got the penalty.
Lovely to get the win!
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Meat Pie sausage roll come on Ollie give us a goal
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I thought we were awful other than the first 10 minutes and the last 20,
We do look dangerous when we attack but the central defence is a problem.
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We are absolute Blues and yet joint 10th. Funny old game eh
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I raise a glass of whine to the Everton fans and say well done Villa! Luckily the Toffees were shite or we might not be celebrating three points. UTV!
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Three points. That's what matters. On we go, job done.
Rome wasn't built in a day.
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Thought we were dog for large parts of the game but quality told in the end. Delighted for Ollie to hit 5 in a row
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Easy as you like!
In all seriousness, if we want to play football out of the back then Buendia and Moreno have to play. Clean sheet, Ollie scored and had great hold up play for Emi’s goal, and we’re back climbing up the table. We, absolutely, still need to improve.
UTV
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Bad run kyboshed.
Mantle with aplomb.
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Not pretty. Not the most attractive, but I’ll take the result over the above.
Glad we knocked the 3 straight defeats out of the park.
Time to look up again.
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Superb result. McGinn made the difference today, easily!
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Excellent.Ollie was outstanding. Special mentions to Ty and Emi2
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Easy as you like!
In all seriousness, if we want to play football out of the back then Buendia and Moreno have to play. Clean sheet, Ollie scored and had great hold up play for Emi’s goal, and we’re back climbing up the table. We, absolutely, still need to improve.
UTV
Moreno is a defensive liability.
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As I said in the match thread totally the right selection to start with and then excellent subs. Never doubted Unai🤥
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Second best for the first hour but the penalty changed momentum completely. Excellent second goal.
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Clean sheet and 3pts. Exactly what was needed, and hopefully leads us in to a good long run of fixtures which we should get a decent return of points from. Could realistically be looking at renewing passports.
Obviously this being Villa that's not going to happen. But, you know, it's nice to pretend.
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It’s not for us to set the world alight away from home against a Dyche team fighting for their lives
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A pleasing win, 10 points off the third bottom team. We need a big summer and that's what Purslow said he's expecting. Lovely goal from Buendia and good see see Ollie netting again.
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Excellent.Ollie was outstanding. Special mentions to Ty and Emi2
nice goal line clearance from Mings
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Yes, very poor match from both teams overall but 3 points and we’ve stopped the rot so, really pleased about that. Thought Ollie was mom today. Good penalty and relentless running.
Still a bit worried about the amount of yellow cards Martinez is getting and, if he doesn’t stop this time wasting, I’m fairly certain he will get sent off soon.
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Special mention to Ollie for 5 in a row.
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Great result! Well done Villa boys and Unai!
4 away wins out of 5 for Emery.
Just need to improve the home form and that will come under our great manager.
Ollie scores again! The lad is on fire!
It’s good to return to having a clean sheet that I know Emi, Tyrone and Konsa are capable of.
UTV!
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Clean sheet and 3pts. Exactly what was needed, and hopefully leads us in to a good long run of fixtures which we should get a decent return of points from. Could realistically be looking at renewing passports.
Obviously this being Villa that's not going to happen. But, you know, it's nice to pretend.
It would be good to at least be in the conversation for Europe this season, with an outside chance depending on how the LC final goes etc going into the final few weeks of the campaign.
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Very similar to Everton’s game v Arse the other week. Eventually we were made of sterner stuff.
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Well done boys.. Relieved after those defeats..Good WE to all..
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Best game McGinn has had in a while.
A scrappy game that we’d be really pissed off with if we had lost.
It doesn’t matter how you win, especially away games. That’ll do.
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Story of the two Emis. One kept us in the game the other finished it. Ugly game overall but the three points are massive.
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Terrible terrible game but we have enough this season to get wins from these scraps at least.
Everton surely getting relegated so that will be our last trip to Goodison unless we get them in the cups next season. They're exactly like we were under Lambert.
Kamara was good in our midfield today against the land of the giants, we need 2-3 others in key areas with his composure on the ball. McGinn became much more influential second half aswell.
Let's see if we can back this win up v Palace and then the table becomes more interesting again.
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They tried to rough us up early doors and Onana should have been sent off. Ghastly to watch, but the result is most welcome.
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Does Martinez get booked every time we win?
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Lovely.
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Does Martinez get booked every time we win?
Win, Lose, Draw, Train.
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Nice win.
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Funny old game, we’ve played some lovely football against Leicester and Arsenal and get stuffed, play poor today and win comfortably.
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Special mention to Ollie for 5 in a row.
According to the Beeb, it's a record for a Villa player in the Premier League.
Delighted with the 3 points, it was never going to be pretty against DycheBall. Onwards and upwards!
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Three points closer to the summer, which is when we really kick on. Based on the first hour today, needs to be busy.
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Clean sheet and 3pts. Exactly what was needed, and hopefully leads us in to a good long run of fixtures which we should get a decent return of points from. Could realistically be looking at renewing passports.
Obviously this being Villa that's not going to happen. But, you know, it's nice to pretend.
It would be good to at least be in the conversation for Europe this season, with an outside chance depending on how the LC final goes etc going into the final few weeks of the campaign.
I really, really want us to be in that shit intertoto cup thing. No stress with it, we can field mostly squad players, ones getting back up to speed - nice easing in to regular European competition where we'll still do pretty well with 16 decent quality players plus 5 or 6 of our current 'squad' players like Bertie.
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If we ever get to a point in our future were we have to go for Dyche, that'll be it for me. We were'nt great by any stretch of the imagination but fuck me they were rancid. Seemed there whole game plan was built around getting the ball to McNeil and thats it.
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Hurrah for the blackshirts!
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Didn't see much of the game, but it sounds like Bailey was rubbish?
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Special mention to Ollie for 5 in a row.
According to the Beeb, it's a record for a Villa player in the Premier League.
Apparently the last player to score in five consecutive games for Villa was Paul Rideout.
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Dyche is one of those Myth Mangers that I hate. Allardyce, Warnock, Bruce, Redknapp. Like one-speed personality trumps tactical acumen. Jumped up PE teachers, the lot of them.
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We played poorly in the first half (10 mins aside), but they didn't look like scoring. Second half I thought we were better. I thought our penalty was a bit soft, but great stuff from Watkins with his 5 in a the last 5 - that's pretty amazing. We need better players in central defence to be able to play the way Emery wants.
Everton. Oh dear. I hope they get relegated.
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I said to my teenage Son it was good to win but not that convincing
He said yeah but look what happens when we play well we lost three in a row
suppose he has a point
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I think that was a huge win. It was as scrappy and desperate a match as one could expect from a fixture involving a Sean Dyche team, and I'm delighted we fought our way through it. Psychologically it's good to get past the 30 points mark and look up the table, too. Very well done Unai and team!
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If we ever get to a point in our future were we have to go for Dyche, that'll be it for me. We were'nt great by any stretch of the imagination but fuck me they were rancid. Seemed there whole game plan was built around getting the ball to McNeil and thats it.
Dychie McBingo.
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That'll do.
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Special mention to Ollie for 5 in a row.
According to the Beeb, it's a record for a Villa player in the Premier League.
Apparently the last player to score in five consecutive games for Villa was Paul Rideout.
Yes, that surprised me as well (in 84/85 according to the MOTD commentator).
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Was nervous throughout, until the 2nd went in.
Very glad to see that consecutive losses do not accumulate under Mr Emery; we would have lost that under Gerrard and probably even Deano, as Everton played with more confidence and grit under Mr Dyche and we were coming off three previous displays of defensive collapses/errors
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Does Martinez get booked every time we win?
Win, Lose, Draw, Train.
APPLAUSE
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Very good.
Weathered the storm first half, which we don’t usually do. I knew if we did, we’d go on to win it.
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I thought today showed up really well just what these two managers have to work with. Villa aren't 'ship four goals at home to Leicester' bad and Everton aren't 'beat the league leaders' good. Villa aren't good for a lot but won't be in the relegation mix, whereas Everton simply don't score enough to be anything like safe. It'll be very, very close for them.
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Was nervous throughout, until the 2nd went in.
Very glad to see that consecutive losses do not accumulate under Mr Emery; we would have lost that under Gerrard and probably even Deano, as Everton played with more confidence and grit under Mr Dyche and we were coming off three previous displays of defensive collapses/errors
Nah psychologically we know we're better than this Everton. It's now 6 wins in 8 v them since coming back up.
We were poor but I think that record helped us at 0-0 to keep believing we'd win as long as we scored first and so it played out.
Now compare that to our recent run v West Ham which is horrific. I'm pretty certain if it's 0-0 there after an hour in two weeks we'll be at complete panic stations everytime they get a set piece or have a decent attack.
Very interesting to study considering the profile of both teams is pretty similar.
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Ugly win but we'll take it! Key moment was Mings clearing it off the line and obviously getting Buendia on. Mixed performance but we finished strong.
Martinez 7 - one quality save in first half, not much else to deal with. Stupid yellow
Cash 6 - awful first half but to be fair solid second half
Konsa 3 - rubbish in every facet of his play
Mings 8 - saved a certain goal, solid throughout and played key ball up to Watkins for the second
Digne 6 - not a fan usually but solid enough today and put one on a plate for Watkins before going off
Kamara 6 - put Watkins through in first half but didn't think our CM duo were on it today
Luiz 6 - same above, sloppy today at times and needs to be stronger in duels
McGinn 7 - struggled with pace of game but key contributions to both goals
Ramsey 7 - best game in a good while, countered well and worked harder than usual
Bailey 3 - a complete passenger, don't think Emery will be giving him many more starts away from home
Watkins 7 - missed two big chances and a poor first half but great peno and excellent play for the second
Buendia 8 - put McGinn in for the peno with his first touch and sent Coady for a pint of milk on his way to the second
Moreno 6 - some nice play with the ball but defensively Luiz had to do a lot of covering when he came on.
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One of those we didn't win was the 1-1 in the relegation fight in our first season back. El Ghazi missed an absolute sitter to make it 2 nil. Really should have won that one.
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Not a great performance but frankly who cares! Cracking goal from Emi2, thought he had a big impact when he came on.
Very happy for Ollie, superb run of form.
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Was nervous throughout, until the 2nd went in.
Very glad to see that consecutive losses do not accumulate under Mr Emery; we would have lost that under Gerrard and probably even Deano, as Everton played with more confidence and grit under Mr Dyche and we were coming off three previous displays of defensive collapses/errors
Nah psychologically we know we're better than this Everton. It's now 6 wins in 8 v them since coming back up.
We were poor but I think that record helped us at 0-0 to keep believing we'd win as long as we scored first and so it played out.
Now compare that to our recent run v West Ham which is horrific. I'm pretty certain if it's 0-0 there after an hour in two weeks we'll be at complete panic stations everytime they get a set piece or have a decent attack.
Very interesting to study considering the profile of both teams is pretty similar.
The West Ham record is not helped by our midfield acting as if Rice has an invisible forcefield around him at all times.
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Special mention to Ollie for 5 in a row.
According to the Beeb, it's a record for a Villa player in the Premier League.
Delighted with the 3 points, it was never going to be pretty against DycheBall. Onwards and upwards!
Paul Rideout the last in 1985 for us to do it as per commentator on mine
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Didn't see much of the game, but it sounds like Bailey was rubbish?
Absolutely abysmal to be honest.
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I'm starting to get the impression maybe we might just finish in 11th.
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Good solid performance today, just what we needed after the last 3 matches.
Thought SJM was superb today, kept the ball well, rarely did he misplace a pass, and won the penalty, no question getting back to his best. Well done Ollie 5 in a row ain't bad.
UP THE VILLA
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How much did we pay for Bailey? £30m? :'(
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Everton fans must be raging with Emi’s goal. He literally turns three players in one movement before shooting past Pickford at the near post. Horrendous goal to give away.
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How much did we pay for Bailey? £30m? :'(
Daft as it sounds, but I think we'd get a good chunk of that back if (hopefully when) we sell him in the summer.
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Everton fans must be raging with Emi’s goal. He literally turns three players in one movement before shooting past Pickford at the near post. Horrendous goal to give away.
Agreed, it was a superb finish.
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Everton fans must be raging with Emi’s goal. He literally turns three players in one movement before shooting past Pickford at the near post. Horrendous goal to give away.
Everton are an awful side in fairness. If they were still there they wouldn't have scored.
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Started okay, went to pieces for quite a while, then the penalty changed it all and we looked comfortable after that. The subs made a difference. In fact, Emery generally uses his bench well.
Fair play to Watkins, he's been brilliant in 2023.
I hope we sell Bailey in the summer, though. He's really shite.
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Really needed that. Bit rough at times, but hopefully that’ll bring some confidence back.
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Playing out from the back is still a bit hit and miss. We seemed to invite Everton on too us and we go into panic mode.
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How much did we pay for Bailey? £30m? :'(
Daft as it sounds, but I think we'd get a good chunk of that back if (hopefully when) we sell him in the summer.
I think when you see similar performances to Bailey's by players Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal paid three times the price for, you just have to accept thirty million for a dud is a drop in the ocean to the Premier League.
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If we could play Everton every week we’d be champions!
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How much did we pay for Bailey? £30m? :'(
Daft as it sounds, but I think we'd get a good chunk of that back if (hopefully when) we sell him in the summer.
I think when you see similar performances to Bailey's by players Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal paid three times the price for, you just have to accept thirty million for a dud is a drop in the ocean to the Premier League.
Burnley sold Dwight McNeill for about 25m in the end didn't he....
As poor as Bailey has turned out he's at least done stuff in Cl and Bundesliga. Wonder if Ajax are still interested.
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Awful game? Missed it as I'm down in Hove viewing properties but just seen the Sky Sports highlights and it looks a bit of a barnstormer. That downward header by Ollie turned onto the post by Pickford was a great piece of play. As for Ollie's arse almost assisting an Everton goal only for Ty's last-ditch clearance, good heavens!
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From the super manager:
We gave away two soft goals otherwise it was a solid performance. We had the feel of the game and were in control. There were some key moments and we didn’t finish with conviction. There were lot of good things today.
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I know they have to say something, but when you lose, the good things don't mean anything, do they?
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Jordan Pickford has the sort of face you'd expect to see in 1943 newsreels on a British soldier, flashing a near-toothless grin as he fries an egg on the top of his tank just outside Torbruk.
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Burnley sold Dwight McNeill for about 25m in the end didn't he....
As poor as Bailey has turned out he's at least done stuff in Cl and Bundesliga. Wonder if Ajax are still interested.
McNeill had Cash on toast, first half at least, got 5 or 6 good crosses in.
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Jordan Pickford has the sort of face you'd expect to see in 1943 newsreels on a British soldier, flashing a near-toothless grin as he fries an egg on the top of his tank just outside Torbruk.
Until he has to save anything, and then he turns into Estate Ratboy whenever a police car turns up.
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Burnley sold Dwight McNeill for about 25m in the end didn't he....
As poor as Bailey has turned out he's at least done stuff in Cl and Bundesliga. Wonder if Ajax are still interested.
McNeill had Cash on toast, first half at least, got 5 or 6 good crosses in.
I don't dislike McNeil, but he's the kind of player you pay seven million for who turns out better than expected, not your marquee signing.
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Burnley sold Dwight McNeill for about 25m in the end didn't he....
As poor as Bailey has turned out he's at least done stuff in Cl and Bundesliga. Wonder if Ajax are still interested.
McNeill had Cash on toast, first half at least, got 5 or 6 good crosses in.
That's Everton's problem, even if they get the crosses in, there's nobody to get on the end of them.
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Burnley sold Dwight McNeill for about 25m in the end didn't he....
As poor as Bailey has turned out he's at least done stuff in Cl and Bundesliga. Wonder if Ajax are still interested.
McNeill had Cash on toast, first half at least, got 5 or 6 good crosses in.
That's Everton's problem, even if they get the crosses in, there's nobody to get on the end of them.
They should have kept Duncan Ferguson around.
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Burnley sold Dwight McNeill for about 25m in the end didn't he....
As poor as Bailey has turned out he's at least done stuff in Cl and Bundesliga. Wonder if Ajax are still interested.
McNeill had Cash on toast, first half at least, got 5 or 6 good crosses in.
He does get crosses in early but most of those we just blocked near post apart from one Emi tipped over.
I just think he's a very poor player in most respects so surprised me how many people wanted to sign him when he was being linked to us under DS.
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Burnley sold Dwight McNeill for about 25m in the end didn't he....
As poor as Bailey has turned out he's at least done stuff in Cl and Bundesliga. Wonder if Ajax are still interested.
McNeill had Cash on toast, first half at least, got 5 or 6 good crosses in.
That's Everton's problem, even if they get the crosses in, there's nobody to get on the end of them.
They should have kept Duncan Ferguson around.
They should have bought Danny Ings with the Gordon money.
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The voting on the BBC Sport website gave Player of the Match to John McGinn. I thought he did well enough but does look quite match fit yet since his injury.
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Burnley sold Dwight McNeill for about 25m in the end didn't he....
As poor as Bailey has turned out he's at least done stuff in Cl and Bundesliga. Wonder if Ajax are still interested.
McNeill had Cash on toast, first half at least, got 5 or 6 good crosses in.
That's Everton's problem, even if they get the crosses in, there's nobody to get on the end of them.
They should have kept Duncan Ferguson around.
They should have bought Danny Ings with the Gordon money.
It is astonishing how they thought they'd ease themselves out of the bottom three without a striker. Gordon's no great loss but it's what'll get them relegated.
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Cash wasn't great in the first half, but then none of them were really.
It was much better when Buendía came on for Bailey, but I thought McGinn was out best player today. Nearly all the good things we did stemmed from him so well done to him today.
From where I was in the obstructed view seats, a lot of people thought our second had gone into the side netting so was very pleased when Emi ran away celebrating.
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Yes, very poor match from both teams overall but 3 points and we’ve stopped the rot so, really pleased about that. Thought Ollie was mom today. Good penalty and relentless running.
Still a bit worried about the amount of yellow cards Martinez is getting and, if he doesn’t stop this time wasting, I’m fairly certain he will get sent off soon.
He's on 5 for the season so far. Am I right in thinking one more and he gets a one game suspension? That's also a very powerful argument for cutting it out.
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Jordan Pickford has the sort of face you'd expect to see in 1943 newsreels on a British soldier, flashing a near-toothless grin as he fries an egg on the top of his tank just outside Torbruk.
Love it!
He would also make a very good actor in a Cholmondley-Warner sketch.
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Cash wasn't great in the first half, but then none of them were really.
It was much better when Buendía came on for Bailey, but I thought McGinn was out best player today. Nearly all the good things we did stemmed from him so well done to him today.
From where I was in the obstructed view seats, a lot of people thought our second had gone into the side netting so was very pleased when Emi ran away celebrating.
Yeah, it was the mad way it bounced out. Hit the stantion at the back of the middle of the net.
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Yes, very poor match from both teams overall but 3 points and we’ve stopped the rot so, really pleased about that. Thought Ollie was mom today. Good penalty and relentless running.
Still a bit worried about the amount of yellow cards Martinez is getting and, if he doesn’t stop this time wasting, I’m fairly certain he will get sent off soon.
He's on 5 for the season so far. Am I right in thinking one more and he gets a one game suspension? That's also a very powerful argument for cutting it out.
He won’t get suspended til he gets 10.
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Yes, very poor match from both teams overall but 3 points and we’ve stopped the rot so, really pleased about that. Thought Ollie was mom today. Good penalty and relentless running.
Still a bit worried about the amount of yellow cards Martinez is getting and, if he doesn’t stop this time wasting, I’m fairly certain he will get sent off soon.
He's on 5 for the season so far. Am I right in thinking one more and he gets a one game suspension? That's also a very powerful argument for cutting it out.
No we’re up to 10 bookings now (unless there’s a different rule for goalkeepers I’m not aware of!)
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I thought Cash was excellent second half, and Dougie really put in a shift today, won a lot of tackles in there
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Jordan Pickford has the sort of face you'd expect to see in 1943 newsreels on a British soldier, flashing a near-toothless grin as he fries an egg on the top of his tank just outside Torbruk.
That's a brilliant description of him, made me chuckle.
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Great result - pretty shit first half - but beundia change the game.
Thought that Ramsey and McGinn did well and were the right call to start. Ramsey running with the ball was good and hopefully he’ll play himself back into form.
Watkins was good - slightly disappointed by luiz and Kamara - as thought they should be able to run this game
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Burnley sold Dwight McNeill for about 25m in the end didn't he....
As poor as Bailey has turned out he's at least done stuff in Cl and Bundesliga. Wonder if Ajax are still interested.
McNeill had Cash on toast, first half at least, got 5 or 6 good crosses in.
That's Everton's problem, even if they get the crosses in, there's nobody to get on the end of them.
They should have kept Duncan Ferguson around.
They should have bought Danny Ings with the Gordon money.
They couldn't as Ings was sold about a week before Gordon
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Burnley sold Dwight McNeill for about 25m in the end didn't he....
As poor as Bailey has turned out he's at least done stuff in Cl and Bundesliga. Wonder if Ajax are still interested.
McNeill had Cash on toast, first half at least, got 5 or 6 good crosses in.
That's Everton's problem, even if they get the crosses in, there's nobody to get on the end of them.
They should have kept Duncan Ferguson around.
They should have bought Danny Ings with the Gordon money.
It is astonishing how they thought they'd ease themselves out of the bottom three without a striker. Gordon's no great loss but it's what'll get them relegated.
Well, not doing anything with the Gordon money will do. As Pauliewalnuts said, they should've been in for Ings straight away - Ings + £25m to spend for Gordon seems a decent bit of business for where they are. More likely to keep them up until the new stadium's built anyway.
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A typical scrappy Dyche kind of game. Both teams had their moments without looking convincing.
If Watkins had any sort of football iq he'd be top 4-class, the fact he takes 5 or 6 touches before deciding what to do with the ball is frustrating to watch and repeatedly kills our momentum. Bailey was shocking (again) and the game was screamng out for Buendia's guile and craft, which he duly delivered as soon as he was brought on. Ramsey and McGinn had their best games in a while.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12819887/everton-0-2-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
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A pleasing win, 10 points off the third bottom team. We need a big summer and that's what Purslow said he's expecting. Lovely goal from Buendia and good see see Ollie netting again.
"!0 points off the third bottom team" is such a strange way to describe our league position, given we're 4 points from the European places. I get we've spent the best part of a decade generally looking down rather than up, but surely it's time to change a little now?
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A pleasing win, 10 points off the third bottom team. We need a big summer and that's what Purslow said he's expecting. Lovely goal from Buendia and good see see Ollie netting again.
"!0 points off the third bottom team" is such a strange way to describe our league position, given we're 4 points from the European places. I get we've spent the best part of a decade generally looking down rather than up, but surely it's time to change a little now?
It’s the Brummie way
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The voting on the BBC Sport website gave Player of the Match to John McGinn. I thought he did well enough but does look quite match fit yet since his injury.
He’d get my vote
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If we could play Everton every week we’d be champions!
I said that earlier and for that reason alone I’m happy for them to stay up! W Ham on the other hand would be a great addition to the Championship
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12819887/everton-0-2-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
Cheers Leeg!
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That'll do. Great to see Ollie break the record and fantastic goal from Emi2. onwards!
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If we could play Everton every week we’d be champions!
I said that earlier and for that reason alone I’m happy for them to stay up! W Ham on the other hand would be a great addition to the Championship
When you're well removed from it, wondering which three teams below will get relegated is a nice little daydream to have. I'm just sorry only three can go.
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That'll do. Great to see Ollie break the record and fantastic goal from Emi2. onwards!
What record?
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Special mention to Ollie for 5 in a row.
According to the Beeb, it's a record for a Villa player in the Premier League.
Delighted with the 3 points, it was never going to be pretty against DycheBall. Onwards and upwards!
Paul Rideout the last in 1985 for us to do it as per commentator on mine
Of course, for them football began in 1992 with the Premier League and Sky. Anything that happened before that doesn't exist.
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Marvellous stuff. There is no way we're matching into places and grabbing the points in style as some seem to imagine, but you really can't knock this Manager so far.
Players will be replaced, games will be lost and drawn but on the face of things, it looks bright.
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That Buendia goal wouldn't have counted if it had been at Filbert Street.
>:( Still bitter after nearly 53 years >:(
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Marvellous stuff. There is no way we're matching into places and grabbing the points in style as some seem to imagine, but you really can't knock this Manager so far.
Players will be replaced, games will be lost and drawn but on the face of things, it looks bright.
Good sides innit - play unconvincingly but still take the points. How many times have we seen teams come to our place and do that to us?
Agree re second point, do as best we can this season, some proper ins and outs over the summer - no excuses - and we're looking like we'll be going somewhere.
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McGinn motm for me too.
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Our record against them since we came back up is excellent, Not quite Manchester clubs vs us excellent, but still very pleasing. 6-2-0. No idea what our best unbeaten run against any club is. We must have a good record against Blues Post the initial naff run in 03, and I can remember we had some kind of run going against Coventry which was mentioned quite abit.
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Our record against them since we came back up is excellent, Not quite Manchester clubs vs us excellent, but still very pleasing. 6-2-0. No idea what our best unbeaten run against any club is. We must have a good record against Blues Post the initial naff run in 03, and I can remember we had some kind of run going against Coventry which was mentioned quite abit.
Yep it's nice to be a bogey side for somebody.
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Our record against them since we came back up is excellent, Not quite Manchester clubs vs us excellent, but still very pleasing. 6-2-0. No idea what our best unbeaten run against any club is. We must have a good record against Blues Post the initial naff run in 03, and I can remember we had some kind of run going against Coventry which was mentioned quite abit.
Last Blues win was the League Cup, I think. Last league win has got to be what, 2005?
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That Buendia goal wouldn't have counted if it had been at Filbert Street.
>:( Still bitter after nearly 53 years >:(
Please explain. Can't be that long since Chris Nicholl got greedy and scored two goals for each side.
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Our record against them since we came back up is excellent, Not quite Manchester clubs vs us excellent, but still very pleasing. 6-2-0. No idea what our best unbeaten run against any club is. We must have a good record against Blues Post the initial naff run in 03, and I can remember we had some kind of run going against Coventry which was mentioned quite abit.
Last Blues win was the League Cup, I think. Last league win has got to be what, 2005?
Yep, they beat us home and away in 04/05. Since then it's no defeats in 14 league games. You'd have to be mid to late twenties to be in with a chance of remembering a league win for them against us.
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Also, Buendia has scored in every appearance he's made for us against them. 3. The new Gabby.
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Our record against them since we came back up is excellent, Not quite Manchester clubs vs us excellent, but still very pleasing. 6-2-0. No idea what our best unbeaten run against any club is. We must have a good record against Blues Post the initial naff run in 03, and I can remember we had some kind of run going against Coventry which was mentioned quite abit.
Last Blues win was the League Cup, I think. Last league win has got to be what, 2005?
Yep, they beat us home and away in 04/05. Since then it's no defeats in 14 league games. You'd have to be mid to late twenties to be in with a chance of remembering a league win for them against us.
My niece was 3 when they last beat us in the league. This week she celebrated her 3rd wedding anniversary.
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That Buendia goal wouldn't have counted if it had been at Filbert Street.
>:( Still bitter after nearly 53 years >:(
Please explain. Can't be that long since Chris Nicholl got greedy and scored two goals for each side.
"A danger in both penalty areas" as my dad's Oxford United supporting mate says.
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Second best for the first hour but the penalty changed momentum completely. Excellent second goal.
Didn't feel like that to me mate, thought we had them at arms length at all times and I can't remember their crowd being quieter, they knew they were getting fuck all
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That Buendia goal wouldn't have counted if it had been at Filbert Street.
>:( Still bitter after nearly 53 years >:(
Please explain. Can't be that long since Chris Nicholl got greedy and scored two goals for each side.
We had one bounce out after crossing the line and the officials missed it.
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McGinn motm for me too.
He's back, he was great last week and again today, they couldn't deal with him at all.
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Poor first half. Much better second and getting in front lifted us. Second goal was really well worked
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That Buendia goal wouldn't have counted if it had been at Filbert Street.
>:( Still bitter after nearly 53 years >:(
Please explain. Can't be that long since Chris Nicholl got greedy and scored two goals for each side.
We had one bounce out after crossing the line and the officials missed it.
April 1970. Villa are playing at promotion chasing Leicester on a Saturday night and we are on in deep relegation trouble. Pat McMahon shoots, it goes in hits the back stanchion and bounces straight back out. Villa celebrate but the ref incredibly says play on thinking its come off the post. Leicester go straight up the other end and put the ball in the net ! Pandemonium ensues and in the end the ref keeps everything at 0-0. While this is all going on at the other end Peter Shilton goes into the back of his goal and wipes the mud mark off the stanchion. Leicester eventually win 1-0. By the following season the design of the goal net has been changed so the same thing can't occur again. Thats all too late for us as by this time we are starting life in Division 3 for the first time in our history.
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/game/3074
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Jesus Christ.
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If my memory serves me correctly Filbert Street had very shallow goals. The ball hit a stanchion at the back of their net and flew out and they went straight up our end and scored.(The last bit may be a false memory).I am sure Shilton later admitted ours had been a goal. I do remember it got a bit lively after the game.
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I remember some years ago at the baseball ground. From what I could see Kenny Swain rounded the keeper and scored. The ball went through the back of the net and the ref gave a goal kick. It is my imagination or was there anyone else there that day to see it ?
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Sorry Andy .You beat me to it.
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A pleasing win, 10 points off the third bottom team. We need a big summer and that's what Purslow said he's expecting. Lovely goal from Buendia and good see see Ollie netting again.
"!0 points off the third bottom team" is such a strange way to describe our league position, given we're 4 points from the European places. I get we've spent the best part of a decade generally looking down rather than up, but surely it's time to change a little now?
Let me know when we get there and I will join you in the celebration. Next season, maybe, but we had such a bad start and need to make absolutely sure we don't get sucked back in. We also need to get rid of the minus goal difference to get into the top 10.
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Had a great day out in Merseyside.
Brilliant to see Villa win although we were much better against both Leicester and Arsenal, but there you go!
Great result which settles us down again.
And a big mention for Ollie Watkins and his 5 in a row.
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A really shit remainder of the season of W3 D1 L10 would see us comfortably safe, how can anyone be worried we'll be dragged into it?
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Hello!
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4 points off 7th place which apparently qualifies for the Europa conference league.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Warning! Reading about how qualification to this competition works will mash your brain !
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We started the game well but the playing out from the back with players not having the skillset bought Everton back into the game. We never had a shot on goal in the first half, it was to our good luck that Everton are so shite they wern't capable of taking advantage. We played poorly for most of the game and still won, that's a sign of good things to come.
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That Buendia goal wouldn't have counted if it had been at Filbert Street.
>:( Still bitter after nearly 53 years
Too true
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In Everton Dyche has a slightly better version of his old Burnley team.
Wing backs and wingers, big burly centre defenders and midfield but lacks the big bruisers up top.
I thought we were very mixed first half, but we stayed the course a la playing out from the back and trying not to play the long ball.
Good game for Tyrone, Kamara and Dougie, special mention to Ollie and Emi 2.
I thought that Konsa was poor today, so can only hope that when Carlos is fit he and Tyrone strike up a good partnership.
We have a decent spine of a team, but hope the summer brings some real class to help us push for top 8.
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We needed the win and we got it. It's always important to end a losing streak. How we play is not important.
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An away win vrs a team who have won the last two homes games shouldn’t but sniffed at.
Great win
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If my memory serves me correctly Filbert Street had very shallow goals. The ball hit a stanchion at the back of their net and flew out and they went straight up our end and scored.(The last bit may be a false memory).I am sure Shilton later admitted ours had been a goal. I do remember it got a bit lively after the game.
Fantasy Football League recreated a similar incident where a Clive Allen shitpinger got chalked off at Highfield Road.
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4 points off 7th place which apparently qualifies for the Europa conference league.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023%E2%80%9324_UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
Warning! Reading about how qualification to this competition works will mash your brain !
The fact that you have read it is good enough for me😊
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That'll do. Great to see Ollie break the record and fantastic goal from Emi2. onwards!
What record?
No record has been broken. He has equalled Paul Rideout’s record of scoring in 5 consecutive games and hopefully he can break it next week. However according to Sky he has set a Villa record since Football started in 1992.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12819887/everton-0-2-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
I don’t think it was a penalty after watching this a few times. I think there was clear contact with the ball .
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12819887/everton-0-2-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
I don’t think it was a penalty after watching this a few times. I think there was clear contact with the ball .
Don’t think that is the law for the game.
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Anyone else noticed that opposing fans now start whistling the second Martinez holds the ball?
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“I got the ball” is such a lame defence by players. You got the ball because you committed a foul you morons.
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It’s the law of Sunday league, or at least it was when I played. It also seemed to do the trick up until maybe the late 90s in profesh football. Not sure if the law changed or refs are just better, generally.
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Only seen the result.
Went on the piss surrounded by egg chasers in boot cut jeans and brown loafers.
Still, I got to cheer a Welsh try and a Villa result.
I’m not Welsh.
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Anyone else noticed that opposing fans now start whistling the second Martinez holds the ball?
He’s done that to himself
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Not long back in Brum. Went back to a pub called St Peppers after the match and had a great time. The match wasn't bad either.
McGinn, Watkins brilliant. Buendia made the difference when he came on.
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Just watching highlights on sky, not bad as I thought
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In Everton Dyche has a slightly better version of his old Burnley team.
Wing backs and wingers, big burly centre defenders and midfield but lacks the big bruisers up top.
I thought we were very mixed first half, but we stayed the course a la playing out from the back and trying not to play the long ball.
Good game for Tyrone, Kamara and Dougie, special mention to Ollie and Emi 2.
I thought that Konsa was poor today, so can only hope that when Carlos is fit he and Tyrone strike up a good partnership.
We have a decent spine of a team, but hope the summer brings some real class to help us push for top 8.
Re: Konsa.Many posters (i.e. Bronte and I) have pointed out that we were getting rinsed down our right flank in the first half. That Mack Neal chappy sure made hay while the sun shone and their gravel voiced manager waxed lyrical about him.
Cashy ain't into crosses at either end(maybe he's he's one of those vampire dudes) and Konsa was getting dragged wide (you hate to see it).
Still and all, don't think Konsa will be with us next season.
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Watching MOTD and Emi Martinez saved us several times, & so did Mings off the line.
What a great match, all before the penalty.
Fab stuff, well done Ollie!
Mings’ pass to Kamara, to McGinn and to Buendia for the goal was a lovely move.
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Wow, Danny M is extolling The Villa!
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Anyone else noticed that opposing fans now start whistling the second Martinez holds the ball?
He is a sexy bastard tbf.
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I thought our penalty was sift as, like Micah, I thought the Everton player had touched the ball. The MOTD analysis showed he didn't, so correct decision.
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Watching MOTD and Emi Martinez saved us several times, & so did Mings off the line.
What a great match, all before the penalty.
Fab stuff, well done Ollie!
Mings’ pass to Kamara, to McGinn and to Buendia for the goal was a lovely move.
I don't know how MOTD edited it but from watching the whole match on a dodgy stream I can only remember one proper save from Emi, the header in the first half.
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There were at least 3 saves they showed, all crackers!
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I've read reports suggesting they were a little unlucky. Bollocks, they huffed and puffed but there was a gulf in class, only one team could play properly.
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I thought our penalty was sift as, like Micah, I thought the Everton player had touched the ball. The MOTD analysis showed he didn't, so correct decision.
I thought it would be 100% overturned until they showed the side on view. He didn't touch it at all.
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Just back. Long day, but who cares with another away win. Emery made the right changes at the right time to change a draw into a win. Class manager at last. UTV
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Just back. Long day, but who cares with another away win. Emery made the right changes at the right time to change a draw into a win. Class manager at last. UTV
I said to our kid just before kick I reckon we'd play it in two parts, stay tight and then make changes to open the game up later on. He's the bollocks, let him run everything, make him our Wenger.
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There were at least 3 saves they showed, all crackers!
I genuinely Corr remember the other two. Which probably says everything about my attention span.
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Working all day so followed the game by the match thread. Fabulous result if not so fabulous performance. If this result helps relegate them then so much the better.
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I've read reports suggesting they were a little unlucky. Bollocks, they huffed and puffed but there was a gulf in class, only one team could play properly.
I had a scan of there forum, to a man they thought McNeil was superb and they were unlucky. I thought he was absolute shite and was relieved whenever he got the ball. Funny old game.
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There were at least 3 saves they showed, all crackers!
I genuinely Corr remember the other two. Which probably says everything about my attention span.
It’s easier for the professional BBC film team, I imagine, as they have a very good view.
I’ll watch it back, but EmiM definitely made a few saves in the first half. 👍
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I've read reports suggesting they were a little unlucky. Bollocks, they huffed and puffed but there was a gulf in class, only one team could play properly.
I had a scan of there forum, to a man they thought McNeil was superb and they were unlucky. I thought he was absolute shite and was relieved whenever he got the ball. Funny old game.
We said exactly the same mate, he's fucking gash. And I rated him before, deary me
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Definitely a penalty now I’ve seen it again on McGinn, also definitely not a penalty on Ollie. It was a good save.
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Definitely a penalty now I’ve seen it again on McGinn, also definitely not a penalty on Ollie. It was a good save.
The way Pickford committed himself so early...Watkins should really have been able to go around him relatively comfortably.
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Still trying to work out how Ollie header didn't go in. Thought it would be one of those nearly moments but he makes his own luck currently and we got the penalty about 90 seconds later.
Good job Mings is left footed aswell as ball would've been over the line if he'd waited for it to come onto his right.
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I thought our penalty was sift as, like Micah, I thought the Everton player had touched the ball. The MOTD analysis showed he didn't, so correct decision.
I am disappointed that anything about you would even come close to being like Micah as he’s a super ******.
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There were at least 3 saves they showed, all crackers!
I genuinely Corr remember the other two. Which probably says everything about my attention span.
It’s easier for the professional BBC film team, I imagine, as they have a very good view.
I’ll watch it back, but EmiM definitely made a few saves in the first half. 👍
One special save, nothing else.
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Might not always have been pretty but there was an element of control in our performance that has been missing in recent weeks. The slightly more conservative lineup suits us - for now - we look more balanced and while it puts massive emphasis on Watkins, he’s currently thriving on it.
Buendia took his goal well but his touch to McGinn that lead to winning the penalty was a thing of beauty too.
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Our record against them since we came back up is excellent, Not quite Manchester clubs vs us excellent, but still very pleasing. 6-2-0. No idea what our best unbeaten run against any club is. We must have a good record against Blues Post the initial naff run in 03, and I can remember we had some kind of run going against Coventry which was mentioned quite abit.
Last Blues win was the League Cup, I think. Last league win has got to be what, 2005?
Yep, they beat us home and away in 04/05. Since then it's no defeats in 14 league games. You'd have to be mid to late twenties to be in with a chance of remembering a league win for them against us.
I'd happily give up ten league losses for that one in the League Cup. I'm not pinning it all on him, but I'll never forgive Houllier for that. He was never fully invested in us, and I don't think he appreciated the magnitude of that game.
We rightfully mock SHA, but if we won one of the cups and beat them on the way, we'd milk it too.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12819887/everton-0-2-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
I don’t think it was a penalty after watching this a few times. I think there was clear contact with the ball .
I agree. No penalty, for me.
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Awful game?
Not a game for the purist but having read this thread prior to watching a recording of the game I'm a bit surprised at some of the negativity. Playing away to a Dyche-led Everton is no easy task. We stood up to them quite well and we had a couple of glorious chances ourselves which seems to be ignored or downplayed in some of the media coverage.
Just as I thought the general tone after our losses to Leicester and Arsenal was a bit too generous, today's feels a bit harsh. I don't think many teams will go to Goodison and win 2-0.
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I thought Digne did alright yesterday.
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If we had been playing any decent team we would have conceded another 4.
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Watching MOTD and Emi Martinez saved us several times, & so did Mings off the line.
What a great match, all before the penalty.
Fab stuff, well done Ollie!
Mings’ pass to Kamara, to McGinn and to Buendia for the goal was a lovely move.
I’m pretty sure when they were talking about McGinn and JJ the picture behind them was of Aaron Ramsey not Jacob.
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If we had been playing any decent team we would have conceded another 4.
I think so too. Overall our defence isnt top half, Cash rounded again and again first half. Our midfield though seems good and very good at the moment and then we have Watkins as our strikerforce.
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Just back. Long day, but who cares with another away win. Emery made the right changes at the right time to change a draw into a win. Class manager at last. UTV
Would have been a long day for the 12 of you mate. Great result and I hope you all enjoyed yourselves.
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If we had been playing any decent team we would have conceded another 4.
This is impossible to know though. It seems to me, we were only marginally better against Brighton away and Spurs away, both games where we managed the game rather than played fluid football. Everton aren’t very good granted, but a team fighting relegation and one managed by Dyche, will always be difficult. A win, a one that ended up being comfortable in the end, was really important after the last three games.
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If we had been playing any decent team we would have conceded another 4.
This is impossible to know though. It seems to me, we were only marginally better against Brighton away and Spurs away, both games where we managed the game rather than played fluid football. Everton aren’t very good granted, but a team fighting relegation and one managed by Dyche, will always be difficult. A win, a one that ended up being comfortable in the end, was really important after the last three games.
and yet they beat Arsenal a few weeks ago... A good win for me.
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A welcome win and keeping a clean sheet was important and very much needed. Hopefully that will do us some good.
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I don't know who the commentator on motd was, sounded like he'd won a raffle to have a go at it.
It was a good win but still giving up too many chances and good positions to the opposition, but don't care about that at the moment we just needed the win.
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If we had been playing any decent team we would have conceded another 4.
Nonsense. That’s football, you can play a team off the park and lose. You sometimes soak up the pressure and steal a win.
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I would hope the one that Mings cleared off the line wouldn’t have stood anyway for the blatant push in the back by Tarkowski on Konsa, which is why Konsa was on the ground in the first place for the ball to rebound off him.
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Playing a relegation threatened team managed by Sean Dyche at their own ground was never going to be either easy or pretty. I was impressed that we stuck to instructions and continued to try to play rather than hoof it and gradual lay got on top and deserved the win. McGinn was my man of the match but also thought Ramsey showed he’s getting some form back. Congratulations to Watkins too, scoring in 5 successive games is impressive and suggests he in particular is benefiting from working with Emery.
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Matched them for intensity and our extra bit of quality showed in the end.
Fantastic win. Well done lads.
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If we had been playing any decent team we would have conceded another 4.
Nonsense. That’s football, you can play a team off the park and lose. You sometimes soak up the pressure and steal a win.
Bit like saying if my Aunt had b******s she'd be my Uncle.
We've beaten top sides on our day and lost to bottom sides on our day.
Just enjoy the win and move on to the next one.
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Really good win. Any win away is good but against a team with new manager bounce and that manager being someone who grinds results out is particularly good. Didn’t see it coming.
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If we had been playing any decent team we would have conceded another 4.
This is impossible to know though. It seems to me, we were only marginally better against Brighton away and Spurs away, both games where we managed the game rather than played fluid football. Everton aren’t very good granted, but a team fighting relegation and one managed by Dyche, will always be difficult. A win, a one that ended up being comfortable in the end, was really important after the last three games.
The things is that yesterday we gave away 15 shots. If you regularly give away 15-20 shots in a game, like we were doing in the bad runs that led to Smith and Gerrard getting the sack, you'll lose more often than not. A great result yesterday, but we didn't play well for an hour and still need to tighten up in midfield and defence. Luiz and Kamara are both lovely on the ball, but not very defensively sound. Onanda and Doucourre got past them both several times.
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Bloody brilliant save by Pickford from Ollie’s header.
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Nonsense. That’s football, you can play a team off the park and lose. You sometimes soak up the pressure and steal a win.
Bit like saying if my Aunt had b******s she'd be my Uncle.
We've beaten top sides on our day and lost to bottom sides on our day.
Just enjoy the win and move on to the next one.
Agree Ian and Nunkin!
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A team in development, a manager in the relatively early stages of his tenure, little change in personnel so far yet some are expecting us to be the finished article already. There's enormous amounts of work to be done but if we can pick up results while we are progressing, this gaffer will do for me.
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A team in development, a manager in the relatively early stages of his tenure, little change in personnel so far yet some are expecting us to be the finished article already. There's enormous amounts of work to be done but if we can pick up results while we are progressing, this gaffer will do for me.
Yep. This really is a work in progress. Yesterday wasn't pretty at times but like Chris said, against a team battling for their lives it was never going to be. Just enjoy the win and the clean sheet.
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some are expecting us to be the finished article already.
No they're not, ridiculous statement.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12819887/everton-0-2-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
I don’t think it was a penalty after watching this a few times. I think there was clear contact with the ball .
I agree. No penalty, for me.
I'm with Keith Hackett on this one.Pen.
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If we had been playing any decent team we would have conceded another 4.
This is impossible to know though. It seems to me, we were only marginally better against Brighton away and Spurs away, both games where we managed the game rather than played fluid football. Everton aren’t very good granted, but a team fighting relegation and one managed by Dyche, will always be difficult. A win, a one that ended up being comfortable in the end, was really important after the last three games.
The things is that yesterday we gave away 15 shots. If you regularly give away 15-20 shots in a game, like we were doing in the bad runs that led to Smith and Gerrard getting the sack, you'll lose more often than not. A great result yesterday, but we didn't play well for an hour and still need to tighten up in midfield and defence. Luiz and Kamara are both lovely on the ball, but not very defensively sound. Onanda and Doucourre got past them both several times.
Martinez still only had one decent save to make. That was from three players allowing an uncontested cross into our box. Maybe that says more about Everton than us. Didn't think our midfield were really at it yesterday with the exception of Ramsey to a degree. But we were effectively playing with 10 men until Bailey went off. That liability cannot be underestimated either.
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I am expecting them to do less shitting themselves when 'playing it out from the back™', to do less sloppy losing of the ball, to show for throw-ins in less time than it takes to do a soft-boiled egg, and am frustrated when we do but I am not necessarily throwing my toys out of the pram. 3 points is 3 points.
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It's always nice chatting with others at away games who like us are not Birmingham based. I was in the lower tier near the Everton fans and the two lads next to me on my right were from Cambridge. On the walk back to the minibus afterwards got chatting with a lad from Leeds who travels with the Yorkshire Lions. All much more youthful! than me, so it's good to see that a younger breed of Villa fans is still willing to travel away from all parts of the UK. Still buzzing after another away win. UTV
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12819887/everton-0-2-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
I don’t think it was a penalty after watching this a few times. I think there was clear contact with the ball .
I agree. No penalty, for me.
I'm with Keith Hackett on this one.Pen.
The MOTD highlights showed a camera angle they didn't on Sky which clearly proved he didn't touch the ball.
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If we had been playing any decent team we would have conceded another 4.
This is impossible to know though. It seems to me, we were only marginally better against Brighton away and Spurs away, both games where we managed the game rather than played fluid football. Everton aren’t very good granted, but a team fighting relegation and one managed by Dyche, will always be difficult. A win, a one that ended up being comfortable in the end, was really important after the last three games.
The things is that yesterday we gave away 15 shots. If you regularly give away 15-20 shots in a game, like we were doing in the bad runs that led to Smith and Gerrard getting the sack, you'll lose more often than not. A great result yesterday, but we didn't play well for an hour and still need to tighten up in midfield and defence. Luiz and Kamara are both lovely on the ball, but not very defensively sound. Onanda and Doucourre got past them both several times.
Mist of those 'shots' were dribbling, desperate efforts from a team lacking any cutting edge, I wouldn't read too much into that stat.
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Whether or not the Ollie/Pickford incident was a penalty (for me it was), I couldn’t believe or understand why not a single villa player appealed or made a fuss about the none decision.
If nothing else, wouldn’t a surrounding of the ref make them look at the incident?
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If he did play the ball, it was after he'd played McGinn's right knee. Good play from Mitba, did like that other fella we used to have and got himself between defender and ball.
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I don't think the Watkins one was a penalty. Watkins got his shot away, Pickford made the save (probably not with the body part he intended), striker and goalkeeper collided. Without wishing to give my age away, if they start giving fouls for those, never mind penalties, we might as well all pack it in.
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re the penalty I often find myself wondering why so many people think a player having touched the ball means it automatically isn’t a foul.
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I don't think the Watkins one was a penalty. Watkins got his shot away, Pickford made the save (probably not with the body part he intended), striker and goalkeeper collided. Without wishing to give my age away, if they start giving fouls for those, never mind penalties, we might as well all pack it in.
Yes I think the ref got both calls spot on.
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re the penalty I often find myself wondering why so many people think a player having touched the ball means it automatically isn’t a foul.
In this case, he didn't touch the ball anyway though.
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I don't think the Watkins one was a penalty. Watkins got his shot away, Pickford made the save (probably not with the body part he intended), striker and goalkeeper collided. Without wishing to give my age away, if they start giving fouls for those, never mind penalties, we might as well all pack it in.
Yes I think the ref got both calls spot on.
Yep, clear pen on McGinn and good save from Pickford.
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Watching MOTD and Emi Martinez saved us several times, & so did Mings off the line.
What a great match, all before the penalty.
Fab stuff, well done Ollie!
Mings’ pass to Kamara, to McGinn and to Buendia for the goal was a lovely move.
I’m pretty sure when they were talking about McGinn and JJ the picture behind them was of Aaron Ramsey not Jacob.
They did! It was late though, so thought I'd imagined it.
Still no idea how that plank Richards has got some many media jobs, absolutely zero to say, just a jester.
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I don't know who the commentator on motd was, sounded like he'd won a raffle to have a go at it.
Sounded a bit like Mark Lawrenson, which isn't a compliment.
Imagine getting shot of that anti woke muppet to GB news or whatever and ending up a younger, even more insipid version.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12819887/everton-0-2-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
I don’t think it was a penalty after watching this a few times. I think there was clear contact with the ball .
I agree. No penalty, for me.
I'm with Keith Hackett on this one.Pen.
Definite penalty.
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I don't know who the commentator on motd was, sounded like he'd won a raffle to have a go at it.
It was a good win but still giving up too many chances and good positions to the opposition, but don't care about that at the moment we just needed the win.
watching the MOTD highlights,it gives the impression that it was all Everton first half, but watching sky highlights gives a fairer view of the first half
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If Pickford was an outfield player making that challenge, a penalty is given as he has made contact with Watkins before the ball.
Don’t know why refs, ref goalkeepers differently.
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Watching MOTD and Emi Martinez saved us several times, & so did Mings off the line.
What a great match, all before the penalty.
Fab stuff, well done Ollie!
Mings’ pass to Kamara, to McGinn and to Buendia for the goal was a lovely move.
I’m pretty sure when they were talking about McGinn and JJ the picture behind them was of Aaron Ramsey not Jacob.
They did! It was late though, so thought I'd imagined it.
Still no idea how that plank Richards has got some many media jobs, absolutely zero to say, just a jester.
Albeit not in the media, but I know a fair few people that seem to have confused 'being loud' with 'having a personality'.
Along with 'growing a beard' and 'saying your name but drawing out the last syllable each and every fucking time you walk past them'.
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…. But we were effectively playing with 10 men until Bailey went off. That liability cannot be underestimated either.
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That was the part that I found exacerbating. I’m all for giving a player a fair run, but he’s been stinking the place out for weeks. He has to start on the bench on his recent performances.
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I’m pretty sure when they were talking about McGinn and JJ the picture behind them was of Aaron Ramsey not Jacob.
You are right Paul. I am not sharp enough to notice that but my 6 year old grandson picked it up. He blurted out “ what the” and said that’s Aaron.
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I’m pretty sure when they were talking about McGinn and JJ the picture behind them was of Aaron Ramsey not Jacob.
You are right Paul. I am not sharp enough to notice that but my 6 year old grandson picked it up. He blurted out “ what the” and said that’s Aaron.
Your grandson is brilliant, mate.
I hope he is well over the loss of that ****** Grealish by now.
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No team is going to look good against a team managed by Sean Dyche that is fighting against relegation. We carved out a win and that's all that counts. I haven't seen any highlights yet but I can't wait to hear the explanation for us not getting a penalty in the first half after Pickford assaulted Ollie Watkins. And how was Onana still on the pitch after he picked up an early booking then continued to hack at our players for the whole of the first half? Great result in the circumstances. Long live Unai Emery.
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My first away game in a long time!
I now have a 100% record this season, so if there are any spares going for upcoming matches, you know where I am!
Loved it! Glad I got to see Goodison before the move to Lego World, but shocked by how dated it was, with floorboarded terraces, etc!? WTF!!
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Doucoure was lucky to get away with a yellow after deliberately smacking Buendia in the face as he was chasing behind him
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Just watched MOTD (only the Villa bit)
Danny Murphy's usual appalling punditry was finished off with a large screenshot of Aaron Ramsey when they were discussing Jacob. Doh!
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Just watched MOTD (only the Villa bit)
Danny Murphy's usual appalling punditry was finished off with a large screenshot of Aaron Ramsey when they were discussing Jacob. Doh!
Danny Murphy was spot on last night and his analysis, like at Southampton, picked out several passages of play not seen in the highlights, which made it look like we'd been under the cosh a bit.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12819887/everton-0-2-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
I don’t think it was a penalty after watching this a few times. I think there was clear contact with the ball .
I agree. No penalty, for me.
I'm with Keith Hackett on this one.Pen.
The MOTD highlights showed a camera angle they didn't on Sky which clearly proved he didn't touch the ball.
Even if he had got a toe on the ball the contact with McGinn's knee was long before the nearest point he got to the ball. I can't understand why anyone thinks it wasn't a penalty, absolute banker. The penalty itself was about as good as it gets.
The one where Pickford went through Watkins is more difficult. If the ball doesn't hit Pickfords trailing leg then it's 100% given but should that be enough to dodge a foul given he knew nothing about it and he went on to completely clatter through Ollie. I reckon it's one of the "umpire's call" style decisions where whatever the ref gives the VAR will back him up.
The 'clearance' by Konsa was utterly braindead and he owes Mings big time for saving him. Their defending for Emi's goal was comedy
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I remember some years ago at the baseball ground. From what I could see Kenny Swain rounded the keeper and scored. The ball went through the back of the net and the ref gave a goal kick. It is my imagination or was there anyone else there that day to see it ?
Yes. He went round the keeper and slotted in from a narrow angle. The ball went through the side netting which obviously hadn't been fastened down properly. Apologies if anyone else has commented on this, but I'm reading through the PM thread from the beginning and just got to this point. The match finished 0-0 IIRC. 78-79 or thereabouts.
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I almost feel sorry for this chap. Reminds me of how we felt when we went down
That, my friend, is what you call a bogey team
Shamefully, that’s four defeats in a row to Aston Villa, and no wins in eight against them (six losses, two draws) since they returned to the Premier League.
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EVERTON 0 - 2 ASTON VILLA
We were pretty buoyant for our second home game in a row, knowing that a win would elevate us a place at least. And despite our paucity of attack, with Aston Villa conceding 11 goals over their last three games, I fancied our chances of getting one at least in the onion bag. We certainly had the opportunities, though were undone by a lack of conversion… we all know where that fault ultimately lies, of course.
Dan did the driving this time, and it was good to have a few jars with the guys in the pub before the game. We were saying in the pub how refreshing it is to see our team unchanged for the right reasons, whereas under Frank Lampard you were scratching your head as to why he wouldn’t change the team, despite how bad it got.
This is in part due to availability, of course; this exemplified by Aston Villa’s ability to swap out Philippe Coutinho and Emi Buendia with Jacob Ramsey and Leon Bailey. Quality options we just don’t have.
It’s always nice to see a full away end at Goodison Park, and Aston Villa took their full complement, and were pretty noisy in the early stages of the game. They were spurred on by their team at this point, who made a positive start, at one point having us rather pinned back with several players unable to clear their lines effectively. In another moment, a ball over the top caught out Conor Coady way too easily, though thankfully Jordan Pickford was out quicksmart to thwart Ollie Watkins.
Once we became competitive in the game, we tilted the balance in our favour. We really had Aston Villa pushed back and created a number of positive opportunities, of which surely one should have been put away.
Dwight McNeil seeking out Neal Maupay who was free in the area really highlighted our issues. A top striker smacks that into the net first time with no hesitation. Neal, and it may be down to his eroded confidence, took a touch to set himself before striking weakly at goal. Emiliano Martinez easily saved.
The Argentina No 1 also thwarted us when Amadou Onana arrived into the penalty area and headed at goal. There were further opportunities too for Alex Iwobi and another Neal Maupay chance, though at the break, you had to be satisfied with our efforts, but the nagging doubt that not capitalising on our opportunities would come back to bite us remained.
In the second half, we kept up the tempo and couldn’t really have come much closer to scoring than when Neal Maupay bravely headed goalwards under pressure from the onrushing Martinez. Unfortunately, Tyrone Mings was on hand to clear off the goal-line. That was a real key moment in the game. If that goes in then, you’d say we probably would have had a good chance to take all 3 points.
As it turned out, it wasn’t long at all until we were clearing off the goal line ourselves when Lucas Digne got beyond Alex Iwobi and put in a good ball for Ollie Watkins. His header was superbly kept out by Jordan Pickford who dived acrobatically and palmed the ball onto the post before James Tarkowski wellied it away.
Sadly, this was a pre-curser to what happened next. James Tarkowski mis-controlled under limited pressure and overhit the ball out for a throw-in, which allowed Aston Villa to make a couple of substitutions, one of which saw Emi Buendia enter the fray. Everton switched off sadly and were punished, Buendia flicking the ball inside for John McGinn who ran into the penalty area and was brought down by Idrissa Gueye.
Or so it seemed at least. The replays show Idrissa Gueye getting a tiny nick on the ball, though this wasn’t picked up by the VAR and the penalty, and subsequently the goal, stood. In pre-VAR days I’d be wondering why Idrissa is taking such a risk in the penalty area making a challenge like that. Though now we have the VAR, I’m as bemused as I ever am with it as to why this wasn’t given a proper look.
I watched Match of the Day earlier and saw Leandro Trossard’s excellent strike for Arsenal against Leicester City chalked off for an apparent foul by Ben White when Danny Ward flapped feebly at a ball in from a corner. I’ve seen the replay time and time again and still don’t know what the foul was.
In Idrissa Gueye’s instance, it looks to me like he gets a clear foot on the ball. With my blue-tinted specs, of course, I don’t know why this wasn’t looked at.
Which brings me on to the officiating because, let's face it, Everton had no answers after the penalty. Aston Villa doubled down, and we couldn’t break them down, ultimately losing 0-2 when substitute Buendia (yes – a quality player who could come on from the bench and make a telling difference) rounded Conor Coady, who was pedestrian at best, before finishing well to seal the game.
The referee irked throughout. He’s a referee I’ve generally thought was decent quality, but he really stunk the place out yesterday. The early yellow card for Amadou Onana was as ridiculous as it was harsh and only seemed to happen once he went over to check on Douglas Luiz. Obviously we’re not privy to how much of a knock Amadou is carrying, but this could have had a massively negative effect on the game.
Following this, the referee made several inconsistent decisions throughout, many of which were very late and irksome to the crowd. I try my best not to be critical of officials as I believe they have a tough job, but this was really poor from supposedly one of the best.
And as I’ve set off on a bit of a rant, is there a team in the league as cynical as Aston Villa? We saw it earlier in the season at Villa Park, but all the rolling around and feigning injury to try to disrupt momentum really took the piss, and the weak referee failed to control it.
It’s part of the modern game and they aren’t the only ones that do it, but that left me incredibly frustrated yesterday. “We weren’t complaining when it was Richarlison” Gary said in response to one of my many vocal gripes. Touché. I can’t disagree with that!
And just to complain a bit more, shamefully, that’s four defeats in a row to Aston Villa, and no wins in eight against them (six losses, two draws) since they returned to the Premier League. I doubt there’s a single other club who has been in the league throughout that time who has failed to beat them once.
That’s pitiful and says everything about how low we have sunk. I would say though that the last three of them have all followed a rather similar pattern of Everton missing good chances, and Aston Villa making the most of the few that come their way.
That, my friend, is what you call a bogey team.
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I don't think the Watkins one was a penalty. Watkins got his shot away, Pickford made the save (probably not with the body part he intended), striker and goalkeeper collided. Without wishing to give my age away, if they start giving fouls for those, never mind penalties, we might as well all pack it in.
Have a look at Preston-Wigan yesterday and the penalty which Daniel Johnson scored. Arsenal also got a much less clear penalty v Man. City recently when Ederson sort of collided with their player.
I thought it was a decent shout as Pickford was out of control making the save (he has previous for injuring Van Dijk in similar action) but as said none of our players apart from Ollie appealed so it's easier to just dismiss claims when that happens.
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And just to complain a bit more, shamefully, that’s four defeats in a row to Aston Villa, and no wins in eight against them (six losses, two draws) since they returned to the Premier League. I doubt there’s a single other club who has been in the league throughout that time who has failed to beat them once.
That’s pitiful and says everything about how low we have sunk.
I'd say the league table and having the managerial equivalent of a dead end in their dug out says more about how low they've sunk.
Everton are God awful and dog ugly - just one of those sides you need to beat now. Questions are asked if you don't.
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And just to complain a bit more, shamefully, that’s four defeats in a row to Aston Villa, and no wins in eight against them (six losses, two draws) since they returned to the Premier League. I doubt there’s a single other club who has been in the league throughout that time who has failed to beat them once.
That’s pitiful and says everything about how low we have sunk.
I'd say the league table and having the managerial equivalent of a dead end in their dug out says more about how low they've sunk.
Everton are God awful and dog ugly - just one of those sides you need to beat now. Questions are asked if you don't.
He’s probably right though!
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I don't think anyone can really call yesterday a great performance, but it was against a team battling for their lives, in the middle of a 'new manager bounce' who've won their last two home games including beating the team at the top of the league. This was a WAY harder fixture than you would normally expect playing someone around the bottom three. Yes, they had more shots on goal than us (15 vs 9) - but shots on goal don't automatically win you games (we had 19 against Leicester, for example), and I still think we probably had the better of the chances across the 90 minutes.
The main positive I take from it is that it's the sort of game Aston Villa do not normally win. We played okay, with some good spells, but it wasn't "dominant" in way shape or form. Playing "okay" and winning against a team fighting for their lives is a good habit to get into, and long may it continue! In the games we have left, we'll play better than that and lose, unfortunately - so I'll take this results when they happen.
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Great win and great away day.
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Great win and great away day.
This sums it up perfectly. But if we all said the same thing the threads would be like Enid Blyton describing 'high tea'.
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Great win and great away day.
son train was cancelled and they laided one on at 21.30, stopping off at Crewe and getting a coach from there back into Birmingham at 00.40
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Anyone know why millions of OB were waiting for the Bagot coach to get back?
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Anyone know why millions of OB were waiting for the Bagot coach to get back?
Overtime payments?
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Great win and great away day.
This sums it up perfectly. But if we all said the same thing the threads would be like Enid Blyton describing 'high tea'.
but with a lot less racism.
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I’m pretty sure when they were talking about McGinn and JJ the picture behind them was of Aaron Ramsey not Jacob.
You are right Paul. I am not sharp enough to notice that but my 6 year old grandson picked it up. He blurted out “ what the” and said that’s Aaron.
Your grandson is brilliant, mate.
I hope he is well over the loss of that ****** Grealish by now.
Agreed. What regular 6 year-old Villan could spot that?! Knowledgeable with a keen eye for detail, the boy will go far.
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That Buendia goal wouldn't have counted if it had been at Filbert Street.
>:( Still bitter after nearly 53 years >:(
Please explain. Can't be that long since Chris Nicholl got greedy and scored two goals for each side.
We had one bounce out after crossing the line and the officials missed it.
April 1970. Villa are playing at promotion chasing Leicester on a Saturday night and we are on in deep relegation trouble. Pat McMahon shoots, it goes in hits the back stanchion and bounces straight back out. Villa celebrate but the ref incredibly says play on thinking its come off the post. Leicester go straight up the other end and put the ball in the net ! Pandemonium ensues and in the end the ref keeps everything at 0-0. While this is all going on at the other end Peter Shilton goes into the back of his goal and wipes the mud mark off the stanchion. Leicester eventually win 1-0. By the following season the design of the goal net has been changed so the same thing can't occur again. Thats all too late for us as by this time we are starting life in Division 3 for the first time in our history.
https://www.avfchistory.co.uk/game/3074
Tell me about it!
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Great win and great away day.
This sums it up perfectly. But if we all said the same thing the threads would be like Enid Blyton describing 'high tea'.
You see I find Darren’s posts totally absorbing. I look forward to reading them and sometimes make a coffee and sit in my favourite chair and go through every word savouring the succinct construction and taking as long as necessary to read.
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I’m pretty sure when they were talking about McGinn and JJ the picture behind them was of Aaron Ramsey not Jacob.
You are right Paul. I am not sharp enough to notice that but my 6 year old grandson picked it up. He blurted out “ what the” and said that’s Aaron.
Your grandson is brilliant, mate.
I hope he is well over the loss of that ****** Grealish by now.
Agreed. What regular 6 year-old Villan could spot that?! Knowledgeable with a keen eye for detail, the boy will go far.
Haha…he’s fast becoming my go to person for team updates. I am hoping that in his lifetime he will see us win the FA cup.
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Anyone know why millions of OB were waiting for the Bagot coach to get back?
Have you seen the Bagot lately?
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Anyone know why millions of OB were waiting for the Bagot coach to get back?
Have you seen the Bagot lately?
Only in passing. Haven’t been in there since the Villains book launch.
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Anyone know why millions of OB were waiting for the Bagot coach to get back?
Have you seen the Bagot lately?
Only in passing. Haven’t been in there since the Villains book launch.
You won't be going in any time soon either. I'd say it was a sad loss but I used to have to play their representitive 11 in the Sunday League.
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Anyone know why millions of OB were waiting for the Bagot coach to get back?
Have you seen the Bagot lately?
Only in passing. Haven’t been in there since the Villains book launch.
You won't be going in any time soon either. I'd say it was a sad loss but I used to have to play their representitive 11 in the Sunday League.
I take it you didn’t wear your socks like Joe?
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Anyone know why millions of OB were waiting for the Bagot coach to get back?
Have you seen the Bagot lately?
Only in passing. Haven’t been in there since the Villains book launch.
You won't be going in any time soon either. I'd say it was a sad loss but I used to have to play their representitive 11 in the Sunday League.
I take it you didn’t wear your socks like Joe?
They looked they'd been designed by Vivienne Westwood by the end of the game